**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 09 02:59:57 2009
Apr 09 05:08:48 <matmo> early morning dumb question: on MXR I see "2008-50" - which OS version exactly does this refer to? Eg, my N810 (Diablo) says "2008.43-7".
Apr 09 05:23:14 <matmo> To answer my own question: latest source for the open portions of OS2008. So if I have an up to date Diablo I have 2008-50?
Apr 09 07:32:18 <Stskeeps> *yawns*
Apr 09 07:38:41 <b0unc3> good morning
Apr 09 07:43:54 <aquatix> good moaning
Apr 09 07:46:51 <wazd_n800> hello world!
Apr 09 07:47:33 <Stskeeps> hello wazd
Apr 09 07:57:58 <wazd_n800> woo, looks like I've missed maemo5 ui discussion thread
Apr 09 07:58:12 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 09 07:58:16 <Stskeeps> it was well hidden
Apr 09 08:02:52 <RST38h> Moo STS, wazd
Apr 09 08:03:07 <RST38h> Look what I've found: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html
Apr 09 08:14:59 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 09 08:15:09 <Stskeeps> morning jaffa
Apr 09 08:16:21 <X-Fade> Morning
Apr 09 08:35:03 <wazd_n800> RST38h, hola, interesting stuff)
Apr 09 08:35:46 <RST38h> wazd: The article has got everything, from homeless expats to pedophilia
Apr 09 08:37:01 <RST38h> a classic, by all means =)
Apr 09 08:37:32 <RST38h> wazd: BTW, ATI85 1.3.1 has just got into Extras. I updated images and made it work correctly when the same model is selected from the menu.
Apr 09 08:40:33 <Stskeeps> oh neat, looking at kate's presentation
Apr 09 08:40:43 <Stskeeps> on/off stand, face up/down, x,y,z axis accelerator meter
Apr 09 08:40:55 <RST38h> Sts: Have you noticed the "no more virtual keyboard" piece?
Apr 09 08:41:16 <Stskeeps> RST38h: no -stylus keyboard-
Apr 09 08:41:22 <Stskeeps> there's a thumb keyboard
Apr 09 08:41:23 <RST38h> Ah
Apr 09 08:41:30 <RST38h> Even more interesting
Apr 09 08:41:53 <RST38h> BTW, S60e5 does have a stylus keyboard. Weird.
Apr 09 08:46:07 <Stskeeps> it is still possible to add stylus kbd but i doubt rx-51 has a stylus
Apr 09 08:46:13 <RST38h> hmmmmmmmmmm
Apr 09 08:46:35 <RST38h> I am liking it less and less =(
Apr 09 08:46:54 <Stskeeps> we'll see how it is eventually
Apr 09 08:55:41 <mavhc> if we wanted our screens to be covered in fingerprints we would have bought an ipod touch
Apr 09 08:56:02 <RST38h> Maybe the RX-51 will have a glass screen after all...
Apr 09 08:56:27 <RST38h> The current tablets definitely *do not* encourage touching 'em with fingers
Apr 09 08:57:35 <mavhc> is glass chosen because there's no plastic transparent enough?
Apr 09 08:57:49 * lcuk touches mavhc's screen
Apr 09 08:58:25 <lcuk> capacitive vs resistive and a much larger cost for the capacitive so i heard
Apr 09 08:58:56 <RST38h> mavhc: glass is sturdier and easier to clean
Apr 09 08:59:18 <RST38h> but it also does not go very well with resistive screens
Apr 09 09:00:36 <mavhc> do capacitive screens work with a metal stylus?
Apr 09 09:02:05 <RST38h> if you are holding it with your meaty fingers, they do :)
Apr 09 09:04:25 <andre___> Stskeeps, I'm thinking of some kind of keyword for stuff in maemo.org bugzilla that might become (or already is) WONTFIX, but is interesting for Mer
Apr 09 09:04:33 <andre___> like bug 2249 which even has a patch
Apr 09 09:04:36 <Stskeeps> andre___: LETTHEPEOPLEFIXIT?
Apr 09 09:04:46 <andre___> no, that's called "patch" actually :-P
Apr 09 09:05:04 <andre___> isn't WONTFIX == LETTHEPEOPLEFIXIT ?
Apr 09 09:05:09 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 09 09:05:12 <RST38h> andre: BUGSTSKEEPS
Apr 09 09:05:30 <RST38h> andre: or NOTOURPROBLEM
Apr 09 09:05:37 <Stskeeps> andre___: if you want you can delegate it to Mer product
Apr 09 09:05:45 <Stskeeps> i'm sure we can find space in that for our kernel patches
Apr 09 09:05:54 <andre___> RST38h, no, i'm talking about keywords, not statuses ;-)
Apr 09 09:06:09 <andre___> Stskeeps, so prefered way is to clone some bugs?
Apr 09 09:06:16 <andre___> i'm fine with that, just tell me what to do :)
Apr 09 09:06:30 <Stskeeps> andre___: either that or prod me to add it to our sprints
Apr 09 09:07:18 <Stskeeps> i think i'll prefer the latter really, so CC me on the bugs that should be
Apr 09 09:08:32 <Stskeeps> andre___: i find it useful since there's a huge amount of patches laying about that are useful, but i have no idea exists
Apr 09 09:09:45 <andre___> Stskeeps, huge? it's only approx 27
Apr 09 09:09:52 <Stskeeps> well 27 is still a lot :P
Apr 09 09:11:20 <Garfeild> hi all
Apr 09 09:37:05 <RST38h> BTW, lack of fullscreen/windowed modes and the lack of stylus keyboard mean that the developers will only have ONE screen layout to take care about
Apr 09 09:37:42 <RST38h> For better or for worse...
Apr 09 09:38:47 <Jaffa> RST38h: in Fremantle you mean?
Apr 09 09:39:03 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i think it might be a plus, yea
Apr 09 09:39:11 <qwerty12> RST38h, Surely has to be better than UIQ was though: will this device have a flip, does it have a touchscreen etc
Apr 09 09:40:01 <RST38h> Jaffa: Yea
Apr 09 09:40:15 <RST38h> qwerty: UIQ configs were a fucking shit...
Apr 09 09:40:29 <qwerty12> lol
Apr 09 09:40:44 <RST38h> qwerty: Not only there were multiple screen layouts that differed with phone model, but the buttons were completely different
Apr 09 09:41:06 <RST38h> Each phone had a different set and usually missed at least 1/4 of the important buttons like d-pad
Apr 09 09:41:58 <RST38h> Sts: maybe, although being conservative I'll still miss the status bar and the task bar
Apr 09 09:42:01 <qwerty12> Yeah, I don't think this enticed people to develop for it. I remember reading that some apps would crash for instance when using it with flip because the developer was aiming for the P1/M600 etc and forgot about the P990
Apr 09 09:42:09 <Stskeeps> RST38h: task switching wasn't shown just ye
Apr 09 09:42:10 <Stskeeps> t
Apr 09 09:42:24 <RST38h> Sts: But we already know that the task bar at the left is gone
Apr 09 09:50:40 <lcuk> i thought we were expected to expect multiple layouts - remember the term "lead device"
Apr 09 09:51:38 <lcuk> in this device with rotation we are gonna expect MORE upheavel than right now
Apr 09 09:52:03 <lcuk> so what theres no sidebar, we have to flip between 800*380 and 380*800 - a MUCH worse scenario
Apr 09 09:52:50 <RST38h> oh, the rotation!
Apr 09 09:53:05 <lcuk> does your calculator work in landscape?
Apr 09 09:53:14 <RST38h> if, of course, they are going to use it in their base official system and not just leave it as a loophole for developers who need it
Apr 09 09:53:20 * lcuk has same problem with portrait btw :)
Apr 09 09:53:27 <RST38h> lcuk: it does. the image you see is actually rotated offline :)
Apr 09 09:53:34 <mavhc> is these a url will all this info?
Apr 09 09:54:02 <RST38h> mavhc: Yes. www.internettablettalk.com :)
Apr 09 09:54:06 <lcuk> RST38h, i mean does it handle both orientations dynamically?
Apr 09 09:54:18 <RST38h> lcuk: No and it can't really
Apr 09 09:54:26 <RST38h> lcuk: The real calcs were all portrait
Apr 09 09:54:32 <mavhc> I hate forums, they're just usenet without the features
Apr 09 09:54:36 <lcuk> i know - your calc is a specific case, but its indicative
Apr 09 09:54:49 <RST38h> mavhc: then hate and suffer! ahhahahahahahaaa!
Apr 09 09:54:53 <mavhc> damn you
Apr 09 09:54:57 <lcuk> i cannot use your calc because of it tho :$
Apr 09 09:55:11 <RST38h> lcuk: Why?
Apr 09 09:55:27 <RST38h> lcuk: You absolutely positively hate holding the tablet vertically?
Apr 09 09:55:42 <lcuk> cos my device sits in landscape mode - i dont pick it up to just use the calc - and i use my keyboard
Apr 09 09:55:55 <mavhc> omg, the colour scheme! my eyes!
Apr 09 09:56:13 <lcuk> it has a stand and i use it that way, or it sits flat on my desk - my real calculator is the same
Apr 09 09:56:24 * lcuk looks over at his casio ms-8v
Apr 09 09:56:46 <RST38h> "Mavhc encounters Fremantle color scene", the horror flick
Apr 09 09:56:55 <RST38h> ok
Apr 09 09:57:02 <mavhc> that was the itt colour scheme
Apr 09 09:57:15 <RST38h> mavhc: Then consider it a prequel
Apr 09 09:57:22 <lcuk> RST38h, :$ could you make a skinnable landscape one
Apr 09 09:57:39 <RST38h> lcuk: TI-92 is actually landscape but it runs on 68000
Apr 09 09:57:51 <RST38h> and I have no 68000 core of my own
Apr 09 09:57:53 <lcuk> theres even a special casio one for wazd
Apr 09 09:57:55 <lcuk> http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=casio%20ms-8v&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Apr 09 09:58:01 <lcuk> (guess which one!)
Apr 09 09:58:30 <RST38h> lcuk: Dunno if you know, but I also develop the SlideRule and it is landscape ;)
Apr 09 09:59:26 <lcuk> i do indeed - the sliderule should pop out and do the graphing on your Tis ;)
Apr 09 09:59:53 <RST38h> Oh, Slashdot has finally gone all dailyrotten
Apr 09 10:00:01 <lcuk> i just need a quick calc calculator personally - the normal one is right for my needs
Apr 09 10:00:14 <RST38h> "...the creators of South Park, were given a very special gift by US marines: a signed photo of Saddam Hussein. During his captivity, the marines forced Saddam to repeatedly watch the movie South Park: Bigger, Longer And Uncut, which shows him as the boyfriend of Satan. Stone said, "We're very proud of our signed Saddam picture and what it means."
Apr 09 10:00:28 <lcuk> ?
Apr 09 10:00:40 <Stskeeps> RST38h: isn't that somewhat like against the geneva convention? :P
Apr 09 10:00:51 <Stskeeps> still, saddam has an excellent role in that movie
Apr 09 10:00:57 <RST38h> Sts: All I know is that it is against readers' sanity =)
Apr 09 10:01:02 <lcuk> hang on, is that a comment?
Apr 09 10:01:15 <lcuk> slashdot trolls havebeen in the gutter for eons
Apr 09 10:04:19 <LinuxCode> garr my msynctool  wont work
Apr 09 10:04:27 * LinuxCode stomps around
Apr 09 10:07:19 <RST38h> lcuk: it is an article not a comment
Apr 09 10:26:17 <lcuk> RST38h, o_O which i mustv missed it lol
Apr 09 10:26:40 <lcuk> LinuxCode, you will get detention if you continue stomping around
Apr 09 10:26:52 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 09 10:26:58 <LinuxCode> I almost got it back to nomral now
Apr 09 10:27:12 <LinuxCode> todo sink of member 2 of type evo2-sync had an error: Failed to open default tasks: No such calendar
Apr 09 10:27:14 <LinuxCode> getting that now
Apr 09 10:27:17 * LinuxCode searches
Apr 09 10:27:45 <lcuk> LinuxCode, what language do you work in
Apr 09 10:27:50 <LinuxCode> ?
Apr 09 10:28:05 <LinuxCode> Im not hacking it, just configing atm
Apr 09 10:28:12 <lcuk> when you do your normal work - i know you are lookin at khertans here
Apr 09 10:28:41 * lcuk doesnt think hes ever asked
Apr 09 10:28:44 <matmo> hiya all. Just ran out of space installing Diablo SDK. Looking around for stuff to delete and noticed a hard link(?) to /scratchbox from /scratchbox/users/<my-acc>/scratchbox. Normal?
Apr 09 10:29:12 <lcuk> matmo, ran out of space where? on your desktop/laptop?
Apr 09 10:29:31 <lcuk> nothing to delete inside the sdk, buy a bigger harddrive or remove your pron hidden folder
Apr 09 10:29:40 <matmo> lcuk: does it matter? It's a notebook.
Apr 09 10:30:12 <lcuk> it matters cos ive never heard of it runnin out of space lol - make more room for the sdk
Apr 09 10:31:40 <lcuk> you are space constrained on the device itself but its down to your own sorting out space wise, you are best deleting stuff from your regular install(which you should understand where space is wasted) before trying to trim the sdk(which you dont know whats needed or not)
Apr 09 10:33:12 <matmo> lcuk: sry, I should be clear, I'm not trying to delete anything from the SDK, just noticed that self referencing dir and have not read up on SB in a log while
Apr 09 10:33:19 <matmo> (long while)
Apr 09 10:33:58 <matmo> but now you mention it :-) what's "ccache"?
Apr 09 10:35:21 <RST38h> matmo: in fact there is stuff to delete
Apr 09 10:35:36 <RST38h> matmo: sdk should have installed etch toolchain for you
Apr 09 10:35:51 <RST38h> matmo: that toolchain includes the whole latex distribution, get rid of it
Apr 09 10:35:54 <RST38h> fonts too
Apr 09 10:36:38 <matmo> RST38h: do you refer to stuff in "devkits"?
Apr 09 10:36:57 <RST38h> Aside from that, if you have got Ubuntu, Open Office, Evolution, and older kernels are obvious candidates for deletion
Apr 09 10:37:09 <RST38h> matmo: dunno, it should be in /opt somewhere
Apr 09 10:37:14 * RST38h uses scratchbox2
Apr 09 10:38:03 <RST38h> Once you delete Open Office, Ubuntu may even let you uninstall Java =)
Apr 09 10:38:20 <lcuk> crap bbl
Apr 09 10:38:27 <lcuk> cya in a bit lc
Apr 09 10:39:03 <LinuxCode> kk
Apr 09 10:39:05 <matmo> I have two drives set up, SB is on the second one, 5G, now with 525M free
Apr 09 10:39:57 <LinuxCode> what the hell
Apr 09 10:40:01 <LinuxCode> it did sync
Apr 09 10:40:10 <LinuxCode> so why is it bitching
Apr 09 10:40:37 <RST38h> matmo: Well, I have no idea what you have on that second drive
Apr 09 10:40:52 <tank-man> if you don't even have space for the sdk, how do you think you will have space to compile stuff
Apr 09 10:41:24 <RST38h> matmo: you can try doing du /second/drive/root | sort -rn |more
Apr 09 10:41:37 <matmo> tank-man: I did not expect it to use up all the space, guess I must have included the dbg option
Apr 09 10:42:10 <matmo> RST38h: no need, I'm trawling it with kdirstat
Apr 09 10:42:16 <Stskeeps> nah, scratchbox is weird..
Apr 09 10:42:17 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 09 10:42:34 <RST38h> "weird" does not even start to describe it...
Apr 09 10:42:51 <RST38h> Unfortunately, SB2 is slowly heading the same way
Apr 09 10:43:13 <matmo> RST38h: I take it SB2 is much easier to get along with...
Apr 09 10:43:30 <matmo> oh really? what's wrong with SB2? Hoping to move to it soon.
Apr 09 10:46:02 <matmo> Will I get away with just rerunning the SDK install script again or do I need to clean anything out from the first attempt?
Apr 09 10:53:12 <RST38h> matmo: SB2 is way more humane
Apr 09 10:53:29 <RST38h> matmo: But it will still take your disk space so do not get too happy too soon
Apr 09 10:54:20 <matmo> RST38h: it will be going on another machine when I use it. This one is choking as it is.
Apr 09 10:55:11 <RST38h> Just delete packages you are not using
Apr 09 11:35:39 <lardman> morning all
Apr 09 11:35:43 <Stskeeps> morning lardman
Apr 09 11:35:53 <lardman> qwerty12: afternoon to you though ;)
Apr 09 11:35:56 <lardman> hey Stskeeps
Apr 09 11:36:38 <qwerty12_N800> lardman: aww, you remembered ;P. afternoon :)
Apr 09 11:36:43 <lardman> ;)
Apr 09 11:37:02 <lardman> afternoon's when I can see the end of the day in sight!
Apr 09 11:37:31 <lardman> that presentation of Kate's was interesting
Apr 09 11:39:15 <lcuk> lardman, hi, which presentation did kate do
Apr 09 11:39:50 <lardman> it's linked from itt somewhere, I don't have the link handy though
Apr 09 11:40:32 <lcuk> heh Stskeeps was it the one you gave me earlier - ive seen it but couldnt find any ref to kate
Apr 09 11:43:03 <lcuk> lardman, how long are you off for easter then - are you in at the mo
Apr 09 11:43:33 <lardman> am at work at the mo
Apr 09 11:43:36 <lardman> back on Wed
Apr 09 11:48:59 <lcuk> lardman, lucky you, i get tomorrow and monday off
Apr 09 11:49:25 <lcuk> reading kates presentation shows a divergence in what was said
Apr 09 11:49:39 <lcuk> at the start she says desktop widgets will be in their own process
Apr 09 11:49:45 <lardman> lcuk: the wonders of working in academia ;)
Apr 09 11:49:56 <lcuk> the later the references to dynamic linking (where have I heard that before)
Apr 09 11:50:16 <lardman> yeah they will all be in the same process
Apr 09 11:50:24 <lardman> but that process is not critical to the rest of the system
Apr 09 11:50:34 <lcuk> yeah it never has been has it
Apr 09 11:50:35 <lardman> so yes if one crashes they all go, but the tablet doens't go down too
Apr 09 11:50:50 <lardman> it is atm, they are in hildon-desktop atm, which does everything
Apr 09 11:51:06 <lcuk> furrymuff :)
Apr 09 11:51:35 <lcuk> makes me :( then that applets themselves cant make use of a clutter stage
Apr 09 11:52:01 <lardman> yeah, will be interesting to know how they'll share that stuff now that people are asking for it
Apr 09 11:52:13 <lardman> share the feature that is, not information
Apr 09 11:53:20 <lcuk> yeah i understand the problem quite extensively - i went through it myself when starting the library - i can see a path now that gives it for my stuff, but its gonna be hard to break opengl
Apr 09 11:53:27 <lcuk> unless opengl can composite opengl (H)
Apr 09 11:56:06 <lardman> Are Nokia chargers known to be a bit fragile?
Apr 09 11:56:30 <qwerty12_N800> a bit?
Apr 09 11:56:32 <Jaffa> I've heard of it
Apr 09 11:56:35 <lardman> I think my second one has just broken, luck I've got a couple of phones and devices
Apr 09 11:56:51 <qwerty12_N800> i've broken 3
Apr 09 11:56:52 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: that was typical English understatement ;)
Apr 09 11:57:06 <lardman> bring on usb-charging I say
Apr 09 11:57:59 <lardman> but first lunch!
Apr 09 11:58:01 <lardman> bbiab
Apr 09 12:02:29 <ShadowJK> hm
Apr 09 12:02:37 * ShadowJK 'd hate usb charging :(
Apr 09 12:02:52 <ShadowJK> especially the kind that refuses to charge without something "smart" on the other end of the usb cable
Apr 09 12:04:32 <lcuk> ShadowJK, smart being 240 volts of intelligence
Apr 09 12:05:26 <ShadowJK> No I mean when the device requires a computer or similar to be on the other end and explicitly grant the device permission to charge before it starts drawing power from the usb cable
Apr 09 12:05:46 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: usb power supplies exist
Apr 09 12:05:46 <ShadowJK> It's a fucking headache finding an external pack that supports that, and they're expensive
Apr 09 12:06:08 <ShadowJK> Yes but again you have to find one that negotiates and doesn't supply power, which most of them do
Apr 09 12:06:15 <ShadowJK> doesn't just supply power*
Apr 09 12:06:42 <ShadowJK> Nevermind that there are several incompatible practices on how a device recognizes/detects and negotiates with the usb charger..
Apr 09 12:07:05 <ShadowJK> I like the nokia charging plug, it's easy, you just give it voltage and the device sucks up power
Apr 09 12:07:35 <lcuk> the same could occur with usb, but we would need 2 usb plugs
Apr 09 12:07:52 <lcuk> or you lose the benfitis, i would hate to have to unplug (for instance) my keyboard just to charge it
Apr 09 12:07:57 <lcuk> not that i use the usb
Apr 09 12:08:25 <ShadowJK> Or you could just do what everyone did at first when charge through usb was "invented", charge regardless :P
Apr 09 12:09:28 <lcuk> hold on, cant talk must charge
Apr 09 12:09:46 <ShadowJK> freerunner has this fun thing too, if the battery is drained empty, it can't boot, so it can't negotiate charge current, so it sits sipping a very tiny current for an eternity before it starts working again
Apr 09 12:09:58 <lcuk> with a phone its fine because the usb was only used relaly for computer connection
Apr 09 12:10:12 <lcuk> arghhhh
Apr 09 12:10:17 <lcuk> do you have a freerunner
Apr 09 12:10:20 <ShadowJK> no
Apr 09 12:10:28 <ShadowJK> it's in their FAQ
Apr 09 12:10:30 * lcuk will have to get one
Apr 09 12:10:33 <ShadowJK> dunno if it's true or not :)
Apr 09 12:10:43 <lcuk> it is cos the freerunner main bod said
Apr 09 12:10:56 <lcuk> in a big presentation i saw last night
Apr 09 12:12:52 <ShadowJK> lcuk, what did he say?
Apr 09 12:13:53 <lcuk>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuwhPXYxxI   its a tough presentation to give
Apr 09 12:14:05 <lcuk> its a bit long, but explains lots about different issues
Apr 09 12:15:13 <ShadowJK> Oh I was watching that until my please-dont-kill-my-eardrums device fell apart
Apr 09 12:15:32 <ShadowJK> and then I couldn't find my bag of cable ties to fix it
Apr 09 12:15:48 <VDVsx> ShadowJK, he freeruneer issue is true, I have one :)
Apr 09 12:15:53 <VDVsx> *the
Apr 09 12:15:56 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: re 'freerunner has this fun thing too', there's a reason why tablets shut down
Apr 09 12:16:34 <Stskeeps> they go to a safe level
Apr 09 12:16:35 <ShadowJK> If freerunner doesn't shut down then they're a ticking timebomb
Apr 09 12:17:03 <ShadowJK> But they consume more power on boot than USB charging can provide, so it is my understanding that they refuse to boot if the safe level has been reached
Apr 09 12:19:16 <VDVsx> 20 to 30 hours idle and the battery gone (but depends on the distro)
Apr 09 12:29:07 <ShadowJK> VDVsx, I'm guessing it's even worse surfing the web?
Apr 09 12:30:01 <lcuk> VDVsx, the most striking thing from the video presentation: WHY WASNT HE USING BLUEMAEMO FOR HIS PROJECTOR
Apr 09 12:30:07 <lcuk> he had a bluetooth remote
Apr 09 12:30:30 <qwerty12_N800> or remoko :>
Apr 09 12:30:39 <lcuk> you know what i mea
Apr 09 12:30:40 <lcuk> n
Apr 09 12:31:30 <VDVsx> lcuk, I presented a project at Fosdem  and I was obligated to use one of this remotes too :(
Apr 09 12:32:37 <VDVsx> ShadowJK, browsing is fine, but the wifi drivers are very poor
Apr 09 12:32:40 <lcuk> VDVsx, sad
Apr 09 12:33:59 <lcuk> VDVsx, about the video itself, that mustv been so difficult to get up and say, i felt for the guy
Apr 09 12:34:46 <ShadowJK> VDVsx, worse than on N8x0?
Apr 09 12:35:13 <VDVsx> ShadowJK, it's a good tool for hacking, but is very far away to a daily use device (phone+ internet + pim)
Apr 09 12:35:37 <lcuk> most people still dont expect internet on phones ;)
Apr 09 12:36:29 <ShadowJK> bah, internet has been my primary use for a phone since 2004
Apr 09 12:36:52 <ShadowJK> when I got my first gprs-enabled phone
Apr 09 12:37:00 <lcuk> primary use for me has been phones
Apr 09 12:37:04 <lcuk> phonecalls
Apr 09 12:37:19 <lcuk> and the only time i have *ever* done something other has been sitting at the barbers
Apr 09 12:37:32 <lcuk> for 15 minutes every 6 months i sit and play games
Apr 09 12:37:43 <lcuk> ive never had a need for it randomly any other time
Apr 09 12:38:15 * aquatix reads a book on his n810 when waiting at the barbers
Apr 09 12:38:31 <lcuk> n8x0 isnt a phone ;)  i play with mine all the time lol
Apr 09 12:38:55 <aquatix> yeah, but that's just to illustrate that i don't even use it there ;)
Apr 09 12:39:02 <aquatix> i use it as PIM though
Apr 09 12:39:15 <ShadowJK> When I got N810 I considered it an upgrade in screensize for my phone :)
Apr 09 12:39:20 <VDVsx> I don't use internet on the phone, because of the small screens, but if a got a phone with a bigger screen, maybe
Apr 09 12:39:45 * aquatix has been thinking about the N97
Apr 09 12:39:49 * lcuk doesnt use internet on his tablet mostly either
Apr 09 12:39:51 <aquatix> but maybe i'll wait for another year
Apr 09 12:40:00 * Myrtti wants a N86, still
Apr 09 12:40:08 <ShadowJK> is that the one with OLED?
Apr 09 12:40:10 <aquatix> also nice
Apr 09 12:40:20 <aquatix> as are the E71, E75 and E55 :)
Apr 09 12:40:37 <aquatix> but maybe i wait till symbian^2
Apr 09 12:40:48 * VDVsx have a 5800 for his master thesis research, but don't use for nothing more :P
Apr 09 12:40:58 <aquatix> that'd make me do 3 years with a smartphone
Apr 09 12:41:06 <aquatix> VDVsx: danm you ;)
Apr 09 12:41:07 <Myrtti> ShadowJK: it's the one with the 8MP camera, which is the killer feature for me
Apr 09 12:41:17 <aquatix> VDVsx: i chose the wrong research subject, clearly
Apr 09 12:41:23 <ShadowJK> aren't the optics and sensorsize crap anyway?
Apr 09 12:41:41 <aquatix> Myrtti: can't you better get a decent compact camera?
Apr 09 12:41:58 * aquatix likes the Canon G10, but already has a dSLR
Apr 09 12:42:06 <ShadowJK> what do they cost once they can talk to the outside world..
Apr 09 12:42:06 <Myrtti> aquatix: the question isn't can I get a better decent compact camera
Apr 09 12:42:15 <aquatix> however, the G10 would fit better in my pocket ;)
Apr 09 12:42:20 <Myrtti> the question is, would I carry it with me everywhere
Apr 09 12:42:25 <aquatix> true
Apr 09 12:42:40 <Myrtti> that's why I love my N95 really much
Apr 09 12:42:43 <aquatix> same for me
Apr 09 12:42:58 <aquatix> but camera phone picture quality isn't that great still...
Apr 09 12:43:03 * ShadowJK is still hoping nokia would update E70 :(
Apr 09 12:43:40 <Myrtti> aquatix: it has been good enough for me since Nov 2007 :-)
Apr 09 12:46:48 <Myrtti> it's not really about the picture quality for me, it's about capturing moments
Apr 09 12:51:44 <suihkulokki> for all in .fi: freee thursday today 18:00, american bar @ kalevankatu
Apr 09 12:52:14 <aquatix> Myrtti: fair enough :)
Apr 09 12:52:22 * aquatix likes having both ;)
Apr 09 12:52:41 <aquatix> but at this moment, i have a phone without cam, and a dSLR that's too large for my pocket
Apr 09 12:52:42 <ShadowJK> Should I just assume since you didn't mention any city, that it's somewhere inside kehä-3? :-)
Apr 09 12:53:01 <aquatix> so i actually almost never have a cam for `those moments'
Apr 09 12:53:03 <aquatix> :(
Apr 09 12:56:15 <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3296132668/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3224545357/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3170746932/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2954713842/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2893825745/ :-P
Apr 09 12:56:22 <Myrtti> squirrels ♥
Apr 09 13:00:44 <aquatix> :)
Apr 09 13:01:55 <aquatix> and a nokia 770
Apr 09 13:02:02 <aquatix> and some beautiful skies
Apr 09 13:07:08 <svu> alterego ping?
Apr 09 13:09:43 <lcuk> Myrtti, you are a squirrel lover too!  do you prefer batter or breadcrumbs?
Apr 09 13:10:35 * lcuk only cares for red squirrels.  damned greys are vermin invaders
Apr 09 13:11:27 <Myrtti> lcuk: we have only red ones in Finland, fortunately
Apr 09 13:11:33 <Myrtti> in abundance, to boot
Apr 09 13:12:19 <lcuk> :) did you bring any over here with you?
Apr 09 13:12:27 <lcuk> and dont ever let a grey sneak in your luggage
Apr 09 13:12:42 <Myrtti> I think ryanscare people would have opposed to that
Apr 09 13:13:02 <lcuk> they wont care as long as you pay extra
Apr 09 13:13:12 <lcuk> they will just wave you through if its in a clear plastic bag
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 09 13:17:01 2009
Apr 09 14:08:01 <wazd> onetwo
Apr 09 14:08:06 <Stskeeps> three
Apr 09 14:08:11 <wazd> survivors?)
Apr 09 14:08:31 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 09 14:08:38 <aquatix> none
Apr 09 14:09:14 <Stskeeps> holy crap, http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/static/eb/drfront/images/front-2-image-1152539.jpeg?0d63e6a63609d5cc869325a54155a10b - impressive the driver didn't get a single scratch
Apr 09 14:09:53 <aquatix> ouch
Apr 09 14:10:16 <wazd> impressive driver actually performed tht stuff :D
Apr 09 14:10:51 <aquatix> most likely just driving too fast
Apr 09 14:11:34 <wazd> aquatix: nope, he did it at 5 km/h :P
Apr 09 14:11:51 <wazd> with his teeth :D
Apr 09 14:12:10 <aquatix> poor tree btw
Apr 09 14:12:51 <lardman> trees: 1, Mercedes: 0
Apr 09 14:14:10 <wazd> oh, btw, I got 1 bug issue in Mer from russian users
Apr 09 14:14:22 <wazd> wifi doesn't work properly at all
Apr 09 14:15:22 <lardman> cu later chaps
Apr 09 14:15:34 <wazd> cya
Apr 09 14:18:52 <lcuk> r'#y[yh[;h;'[uyp[yhplul6
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Apr 09 14:19:43 <lcuk> oitttytttkyjkhhgmkggfknkmnkbglhlnlnklhnklnkmnmg/h/y#ujy;'jjyln nlhynjhmkljmlujm;uj6l;jujjuljumjh;jhy'j;mn'nh.hlhynnji,jlpplyhljyljl;;l
Apr 09 14:20:31 <lcuk> ry94yreyurtg6yt 54‍6io56kyuiyuirtyrt uriyritru 8rty bregyre78greg vf7ér874 €788749327438564365463478rt tru7y547y547847ryureuyeryureyueyueyeeyyu
Apr 09 14:21:28 <Corsac> hey cat
Apr 09 14:22:09 <VDVsx> lcuk fall a sleep in his keyboard, lol
Apr 09 14:22:47 <churl> who's the user if i wanna ssh into my tablet?
Apr 09 14:22:56 <VDVsx> root
Apr 09 14:23:28 <churl> i dont recall setting a password, but i may have? :)
Apr 09 14:24:04 <Corsac> user@
Apr 09 14:24:50 <VDVsx> if you installed the ssh tools you must have one
Apr 09 14:25:01 <tank-man> try all the defaults, god/love/sex/rootme/toor/emtoor
Apr 09 14:25:08 <churl> lol
Apr 09 14:26:33 <VDVsx> churl, did you installed openssh for e.g ?
Apr 09 14:26:42 <churl> looks like the "root" program i have is one that i just type in "root" and dont give a password
Apr 09 14:26:53 <churl> ha, let me check if it's on there ;)
Apr 09 14:27:57 <churl> VDVsx: ive got openssh/client/server
Apr 09 14:29:13 <VDVsx> churl,ok, then you have to remember the pass :)
Apr 09 14:29:51 <VDVsx> try rootme
Apr 09 14:30:26 <churl> k
Apr 09 14:30:54 <wazd> Stskeeps: can you give me a link to the mer-artwork page please? looks like I've lost mine while reinstall(
Apr 09 14:31:08 <Stskeeps> wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork , or mailing list?
Apr 09 14:31:33 <churl> VDVsx: no luck
Apr 09 14:31:33 <churl> i only use one ;)
Apr 09 14:31:40 <wazd> oh, no, not the artwork, page with element sizes
Apr 09 14:31:47 <wazd> sorry
Apr 09 14:31:47 <churl> but root@ or user@?
Apr 09 14:32:11 <VDVsx> churl, root@192....
Apr 09 14:32:34 <churl> VDVsx: thanks :)
Apr 09 14:33:05 <VDVsx> churl, worked ?
Apr 09 14:33:15 <churl> no
Apr 09 14:33:18 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 09 14:33:24 <churl> six666
Apr 09 14:33:31 <churl> ;)
Apr 09 14:33:36 <aquatix> churl: dude, why do you know my pw
Apr 09 14:33:53 <churl> i know how you are
Apr 09 14:34:02 <Stskeeps> wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout
Apr 09 14:34:17 <wazd> Stskeeps: yep, that one, thanks
Apr 09 14:34:35 <aquatix> churl: evil? and factually incorrect?
Apr 09 14:34:59 <churl> aquatix: exactly
Apr 09 14:35:00 <wazd> Stskeeps: i'm experimenting with default Mer theme right now :)
Apr 09 14:35:06 <Stskeeps> alright :)
Apr 09 14:35:11 <Stskeeps> there should be template.svg
Apr 09 14:40:14 <wazd> Stskeeps: why svg?
Apr 09 14:40:26 <Stskeeps> wazd: when working some with it, it makes a lot of sense
Apr 09 14:40:31 <Stskeeps> there's a bunch of layer information and so on
Apr 09 14:41:15 <wazd> Stskeeps: Photoshop can't save in .svg(
Apr 09 14:41:51 <X-Fade> wazd: No, because it is a bitmap editor.
Apr 09 14:42:10 <wazd> X-Fade: orly :)
Apr 09 14:42:18 <X-Fade> wazd: Time to go to Inkscape ;)
Apr 09 14:42:30 <Stskeeps> wazd: you can also edit the png manually, or use inkscape or illustrator or whatever
Apr 09 14:44:21 <wazd> I don't understand why we need vector theme)
Apr 09 14:44:41 <Stskeeps> wazd: when making the themes and gradients it's just nice to work with :P
Apr 09 14:44:55 <Stskeeps> it's like if we had a .psd
Apr 09 14:45:15 <wazd> I have a .psd :P
Apr 09 14:46:20 <Stskeeps> then you can just edit the png manually
Apr 09 14:46:26 <Stskeeps> we export to the png anyway from svg
Apr 09 14:46:32 <Stskeeps> we don't use svg for the actual theming build
Apr 09 15:07:53 <lbt> lcuk: rofl
Apr 09 15:08:04 <wazd> Stskeeps: I've tweaked zenvoid's idea: http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/0904/42/dbedb588305d.jpg
Apr 09 15:09:16 <Stskeeps> whoa
Apr 09 15:09:38 <keesj> sweet
Apr 09 15:10:18 <Stskeeps> wazd: i'm not sure we can do the |'s
Apr 09 15:10:26 <Stskeeps> maybe, but not sure
Apr 09 15:10:31 <Stskeeps> come and talk to zenvoid about it
Apr 09 15:10:33 <wazd> Stskeeps: hmm, why so?
Apr 09 15:10:50 <Stskeeps> he knows the tech stuff :)
Apr 09 15:11:08 <wazd> Stskeeps: okay
Apr 09 15:11:20 <Stskeeps> (he's in #mer)
Apr 09 16:09:51 <churl> i saw a video of an n800 running vmware with winCE and android.  Is that available for download?
Apr 09 16:10:14 <Stskeeps> i wish
Apr 09 16:10:21 <churl> i figured
Apr 09 16:11:06 <churl> :(
Apr 09 16:12:25 <Jaffa> It'll also be very bare metal
Apr 09 16:13:04 <churl> i just want to run an app to watch railroad traffic that only works in windows.....
Apr 09 16:13:16 <Stskeeps> wince != windows though
Apr 09 16:13:18 * churl dreams
Apr 09 16:13:29 <fireun> thats a nightmare, that is.
Apr 09 16:13:32 <churl> i know, i really want it
Apr 09 16:13:41 <X-Fade> churl: vnc? :)
Apr 09 16:14:37 <churl> X-Fade: yeah, it does work ok like that, but......... im just dreaming is all....
Apr 09 16:14:52 <Stskeeps> heh, i have considered putting up a winxp virtualbox instance, and then using RDP from my tablet
Apr 09 16:14:56 <fireun> churl: get another hobby
Apr 09 16:15:43 <churl> besides linux, brewing beer, trains, sewing, biking, banjo, and cooking?
Apr 09 16:16:23 <fireun> grow some veggies
Apr 09 16:16:26 <churl> my new hobby is to take my medicine.
Apr 09 16:17:09 <churl> fireun: we're gonna grow some hops and have some chickens at our friends house down the road, they have a back yard (in a city)
Apr 09 16:19:16 <mikkov_> X-Fade: do you know if digia@web download will be fixed?
Apr 09 16:19:38 <X-Fade> mikkov_: They have been sending me 10 mails today orso..
Apr 09 16:19:58 <mikkov_> X-Fade: so what's the problem? ;)
Apr 09 16:20:05 <X-Fade> I'm trying to get the message across that they need to properly build it and generate a .changes file.
Apr 09 16:20:41 <X-Fade> But somehow they have issues with following my suggestions and actually reading my mails ;)
Apr 09 16:20:52 <X-Fade> So I have no idea if it will ever work out.
Apr 09 16:21:16 <mikkov_> I could do some consultation 100e/h :)
Apr 09 16:21:23 <X-Fade> I told them 10 times that qt4.5 is not in Extras. (qt 4.4 is)
Apr 09 16:22:00 <X-Fade> And then I had to beg them not to link to extras-devel ;)
Apr 09 16:22:17 <mikkov_> yeah qt is problematic currently
Apr 09 16:22:35 <X-Fade> Antonio told me that qt4.5 will probably promoted next week.
Apr 09 16:22:59 <X-Fade> If everthing goes well.
Apr 09 16:23:21 <mikkov_> then there will both qt4.4 and qt4.5 programs in extras. not good
Apr 09 16:23:49 <X-Fade> Well, as long as they have specified their dependencies correctly?
Apr 09 16:24:22 <mikkov_> depencies is not problem, but limitited space in out tablets
Apr 09 16:24:42 <X-Fade> Yeah, true.
Apr 09 16:24:49 <mikkov_> try to install both qt4.4 and qt4.5 :)
Apr 09 16:25:48 <mikkov_> but I think there is actually only couple of qt programs anyway. Maybe they could be "forced" to qt4.5
Apr 09 16:27:20 <mikkov_> but I really would like to try digia@web. Hopefully they get it released somehow
Apr 09 16:31:57 <Stskeeps> lo slonopotamus
Apr 09 16:40:29 <Martinator> hello, can anyone help me and give me a repository where I can find libgobject-2.0-0 and libgmodule-2.0-0? I need it for jalimo classpath.gtk installation
Apr 09 16:46:12 <slonopotamus> hi, Stskeeps. how's mer going?
Apr 09 16:46:34 <Stskeeps> going fine - we have a developer meeting together with mozilla and maemo (i guess we're under maemo, but we're a focus area too), in end of may
Apr 09 16:46:42 <RST38h> "BYD's "Mars" MID clamshell has a phone on the back, runs full Windows XP"
Apr 09 16:46:56 <Stskeeps> RST38h: 3 hours of idle?
Apr 09 16:47:19 <RST38h> Sts: Prolly less, but I guess "phone on the back" will work long after its host becomes a brick
Apr 09 16:47:26 <Stskeeps> RST38h: true
Apr 09 16:47:45 <RST38h> The idea sounds so...mm...Chinese though...
Apr 09 16:48:00 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, they promise to make mozilla fast? :)
Apr 09 16:48:06 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: hehe
Apr 09 16:48:26 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend
Apr 09 16:48:35 <RST38h> Sts: What is the agenda anyway? What are these mozilla folks bringing to the summit?
Apr 09 16:48:54 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well, it's a hands-on thing. i dunno what fennec and mozilla are bringing
Apr 09 16:49:14 <Stskeeps> i know what activity intentions people in Mer has, at least, and we try to plan in a structured manner
Apr 09 16:49:21 <RST38h> Sts: aha
Apr 09 16:49:32 <RST38h> Sts: not to have an agenda is disturbing though
Apr 09 16:49:36 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 09 16:49:42 <Stskeeps> well, it's not presentations
Apr 09 16:49:48 <Stskeeps> it's coding and discussions etc
Apr 09 16:50:16 <Stskeeps> and perhaps some presentations but not the major part
Apr 09 16:52:47 <RST38h> If it is coding, then the first question is "what are you gonna be coding"? Not hacking on the fennec code base, right? =)
Apr 09 16:53:45 <Stskeeps> it's Mozilla and/or Maemo, so
Apr 09 16:54:09 <Stskeeps> which means fremantle stars, Maemo community projects, Mer, etc
Apr 09 16:54:33 <slonopotamus> hehe
Apr 09 16:55:22 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: no clue if you can use this, but the opensuse build people have a quite proper qemu-supported arm chroot these days (user level emulation)
Apr 09 16:58:02 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, well, qemu has it, not opensuse :)
Apr 09 16:58:18 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: they have qemu + patches, and ignore the opensuse thing
Apr 09 16:58:26 <Stskeeps> basically, i can build most stuff with just chroot
Apr 09 16:58:53 <slonopotamus> gentoo people prefer hardcore crosscompiling :)
Apr 09 16:59:01 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 09 16:59:20 <slonopotamus> and i chose native way :)
Apr 09 17:00:55 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Apr 09 17:02:55 <lcuk> VDVsx, lbt : i would hazard a guess it was jacob
Apr 09 17:04:23 <VDVsx> lcuk, oh, I feared for you, I thought is was Sylar
Apr 09 17:04:47 <lbt> and I was talking about itt
Apr 09 17:04:51 <lcuk> heh
Apr 09 17:05:43 <lcuk> lbt, the jedi training program? :D
Apr 09 17:05:55 <lbt> yup
Apr 09 17:11:57 <lopz> hola
Apr 09 17:11:57 <VDVsx> lcuk, jedi program ??
Apr 09 17:12:57 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=278604
Apr 09 17:14:15 <VDVsx> :)
Apr 09 17:16:19 <slonopotamus> ~ping
Apr 09 17:16:20 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 09 17:16:26 <sisto> it's coming...
Apr 09 17:16:28 <sisto> http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/09/nokia-working-on-new-mid-for-this-year-wild-qwerty-tech-for-nex/
Apr 09 17:17:01 <sisto> :>
Apr 09 17:17:23 <JvA> VDVsx: When I make a comment on my own proposal, do others who has commented get a notice of this?
Apr 09 17:17:25 <Jaffa> Muwahahaha - for free wifi on Virgin trains you just have to sit close enough to first class and restrict your computer to a specific AP's MAC address
Apr 09 17:17:38 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 09 17:18:43 <VDVsx> JvA, yes, if they have your proposal updates subscribed
Apr 09 17:19:09 <sisto> dropped
Apr 09 17:19:14 <sisto> so it's coming
Apr 09 17:19:21 <JvA> VDVsx: ok :)
Apr 09 17:19:48 <Stskeeps> any GSoC news on allocations yet?
Apr 09 17:20:31 <VDVsx> Stskeeps, April 20
Apr 09 17:20:36 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 09 17:23:21 <lbt> hmm my tablet had its bootmenu blatted when app-mgr crashed....
Apr 09 17:23:36 <lbt> it rebooted and a red 'don't interrupt' came up
Apr 09 17:23:56 <lbt> it went to 20% and then rebooted into a 'standard' initfs
Apr 09 17:24:41 <Stskeeps> "don't interrupt"? O_o
Apr 09 17:28:48 * RST38h has now started to believe that Win7 installer requires a human sacrifice to complete
Apr 09 17:29:43 <lbt> Stskeeps: I didn't interrupt, I didn't even cough!
Apr 09 17:29:59 <RST38h> lbt: You LOOKED at it the wrong way!
Apr 09 17:30:06 <lbt> RST38h: surely the Win7 installer requires a human sacrifice to begin?
Apr 09 17:30:19 <Stskeeps> lbt: SSU breaks the initfs, yeah
Apr 09 17:30:24 <Stskeeps> just Install bootmenu again
Apr 09 17:30:24 <RST38h> lbt: Apparently, not. It is sneaky in this sense.
Apr 09 17:30:28 <Stskeeps> and your items will be back
Apr 09 17:31:01 <lbt> mmm - it was my custom bootmenu using bootmenu.d IIRC  - did that get integrated
Apr 09 17:31:08 <lbt> It was a long time ago!
Apr 09 17:31:47 <Stskeeps> yes
Apr 09 17:31:57 <Stskeeps> well it is bootmenu.d items still yet :P
Apr 09 18:06:34 <GeneralAntilles> The applications categories continually manage to put me in a bad mood.
Apr 09 18:07:33 <Stskeeps> maybe the whole intent was to piss the community so much off they took things into their own hands and conquer the maemo platform? ;p
Apr 09 18:11:41 * lbt has lost bootmenu?
Apr 09 18:12:18 <Stskeeps> grab the merinstaller and Install bootmenu, and it should be in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item
Apr 09 18:12:27 <Stskeeps> and install bootmenu will put it there
Apr 09 18:12:54 <lbt> it's like using someone elses machine - this partition is so old
Apr 09 18:26:30 <GeneralAntilles> It'd be nice if we could just get the Talk transition over with so the conspiracy theories could end (well, or move on, anyway).
Apr 09 18:27:07 <lbt> yeah but when we own their souls it'll be too late anyhow...
Apr 09 18:32:26 <GeneralAntilles> We need a couple major data loss bugs to get Nokia to ship an update.
Apr 09 18:34:48 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, thats actually a reasonable point lol
Apr 09 18:35:17 <tank-man> about those app categories, I saw two categories with the same name and same case, wtf
Apr 09 18:37:04 <lcuk> lbt, quick git thing.  i have the full git repo on libliqbase/.git    if i am in a subfolder (for instance) libliqbase/src and do git operations, do they go into the main repo as if i have called from the root
Apr 09 18:37:35 <lcuk> or do they just update the stuff in that one subfolder where i am
Apr 09 18:38:02 <GeneralAntilles> tank-man, one package was using the localizable form "user/accessories", so h-a-m localized it to "Accessories" and the other was just using "user/Accessories".
Apr 09 18:38:15 <GeneralAntilles> tank-man, change your locale to fr_FR or something.
Apr 09 18:39:00 <tank-man> i usually just browse by "all" category
Apr 09 18:39:10 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, so does everybody else
Apr 09 18:39:20 <GeneralAntilles> because the categories and the browsing interface are shit
Apr 09 18:39:29 <GeneralAntilles> and Nokia can't be arsed to fix it.
Apr 09 18:39:46 <lcuk> cos you dont want to miss anything
Apr 09 19:04:53 * RST38h moos at lcuk, Myrtti, GAN, et al
Apr 09 19:05:09 * lcuk gives RST38h a chocolate egg
Apr 09 19:05:47 * RST38h wonders what to do with it
Apr 09 19:09:10 <Myrtti> moo
Apr 09 19:11:44 * GeneralAntilles hides
Apr 09 19:46:21 <lbt> lcuk: yes - git always (~) operates on the main .git repo
Apr 09 19:48:08 <lcuk> thanks lbt i was just worried if i was 2 or 3 levels in whether i needed to rerun the commands from the base folder
Apr 09 19:50:02 <lbt> no, it's self-contained inside .git/ and that's where everything gitty lives (although it can look in each dir for control files like .gitexclude)
Apr 09 19:51:29 <lcuk> ahhh cool, so it just walks backwards until it finds the .git thats responsible
Apr 09 19:55:30 <lbt> yes
Apr 09 19:59:47 <lbt> hmm bootmenu lost my entries...
Apr 09 19:59:59 <Stskeeps> they're in /etc/bootmenu.d on your original partition
Apr 09 20:11:28 <lbt> hmm, I reflashed with the _rot kernel
Apr 09 20:11:50 <lbt> but I was in an alternate partition when I installed
Apr 09 20:11:57 <lbt> so I guess my modules are there
Apr 09 20:12:22 <lbt> so I guess I'll need to re-install the modules in the mmc before I get ext3 access...
Apr 09 20:24:20 <tds5016> hello has anyone else here dealt with gstreamer to stream a video with rtp?
Apr 09 20:24:36 <Stskeeps> i have successfully done it once towards a VLC
Apr 09 20:24:54 <tds5016> and if so, can someone help me read the stream in with a gstreamer pipeline?
Apr 09 20:24:55 <Stskeeps> i would show you my notes but i think some bad virus rooted my pc :P
Apr 09 20:25:44 <tds5016> Stskeeps:I have it working on vlc :-)
Apr 09 20:26:57 <tds5016> any idea how I can do it with gstreamer, and not the sdp file?
Apr 09 20:27:42 <tds5016> I need to encode the the video as an mp4 or something else :-/.
Apr 09 20:30:54 * b-man` gives up on Plawzix XP
Apr 09 20:30:57 <b-man`> i'm jumping back into Mer :)
Apr 09 20:31:42 <Stskeeps> b-man`: sane decision
Apr 09 20:32:13 <b-man`> XD
Apr 09 20:32:49 <b-man`> no matter what i did, Plawzix would not boot
Apr 09 20:33:04 <b-man`> even with an angstrom base
Apr 09 20:39:05 <b-man`> (nokia800 image)
Apr 09 20:43:56 <cheng_99> hi, does there anyone know how to set the appear time for hildon_banner_show_animation?
Apr 09 20:44:57 <cheng_99> i made a animation bar, and want to destroy it after a process finished, how can i do it?
Apr 09 20:54:11 * lcuk passes out more easter eggs
Apr 09 21:17:03 <GeneralAntilles> Who else thinks it's rice pudding time?
Apr 09 21:17:19 <Jaffa> I think it's post-Heroes sleep time
Apr 09 21:17:37 <lcuk> me, providing you put a blob of jam in the middle
Apr 09 21:17:52 <lcuk> jaffa, you drunk all your milk and done some burps?
Apr 09 21:18:03 <Jaffa> aye
Apr 09 21:18:56 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh, milk's bad.
Apr 09 21:19:08 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta go to the grocery store tomorrow
Apr 09 21:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> About half the stuff on my list is buy-one-get-one-free.
Apr 09 21:19:50 <lcuk> BOGOF offers are evil things
Apr 09 21:21:07 <GeneralAntilles> Why?
Apr 09 21:21:32 <lcuk> i always come back with stuff i never intended
Apr 09 21:21:40 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 09 21:21:45 <GeneralAntilles> Willpower
Apr 09 21:21:46 <lcuk> but i have twice as much crap!
Apr 09 21:21:56 <lcuk> lack of a decent shopper application
Apr 09 21:22:03 <GeneralAntilles> Oooh
Apr 09 21:22:15 <lcuk> needs to be tied with the fridget n8x0
Apr 09 21:22:22 <lcuk> fridge
Apr 09 21:22:22 * qwerty12_N800 gets the popcorn
Apr 09 21:22:27 <lcuk> and scan things
Apr 09 21:23:00 <lcuk> hopefully after summer everything will be together :)
Apr 09 21:23:07 * lcuk is learning how to be a jedi
Apr 09 21:27:29 <wazd> goodbye world!
Apr 09 21:27:34 * lbt slaps lcuk again
Apr 09 21:27:39 <lbt> just 'cos he needs
Apr 09 21:27:41 <lbt> karma
Apr 09 21:27:47 <lbt> 'cos he's on #mer
Apr 09 21:27:50 <lbt> and it's not
Apr 09 21:27:52 <lbt> counted
Apr 09 21:27:58 <lcuk> :D
Apr 09 21:28:33 * lbt makes a note to put in a jedi-gesture easter egg
Apr 09 21:28:52 <Jaffa> IRC doesn't yet count towards karma (unless I missed a memo)
Apr 09 21:29:05 <lcuk> :D heh, you know damned well i think highly of your project by the way :P it is begging for barcode goodness
Apr 09 21:29:06 <Jaffa> Given my recent massive drop in karma (damn you X-Fade) I wouldn't be surprised
Apr 09 21:29:37 <lbt> WHAT ... I'm outa here
Apr 09 21:29:39 <lcuk> :O u lost karma?
Apr 09 21:30:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's the Jaffa deduction.
Apr 09 21:30:41 <lcuk> if(fruity($user)) karma-=100;
Apr 09 21:30:50 <Jaffa> It's shifted again. mgedmin was above me earlier in the week at http://maemo.org/profile/list/ - but now the ordering looks familiar, just with lower scores
Apr 09 21:30:59 <Jaffa> Oi. Less of the fruity ;-)
Apr 09 21:31:21 <GeneralAntilles> Man, fanoush dropped a lot.
Apr 09 21:31:26 <lbt> when you mouseover each of the section headings it should say what they're for
Apr 09 21:31:41 <lcuk> using which voice?
Apr 09 21:31:54 <lcuk> PLEASE use KITT or something :D
Apr 09 21:32:05 <lcuk> "micheal, you are in the tins section"
Apr 09 21:32:32 <lbt> <sigh> in http://maemo.org/profile/list
Apr 09 21:32:37 <lcuk> how do you mouseover?
Apr 09 21:32:47 <lcuk> oooh
Apr 09 21:32:52 <lcuk> im thinking about your shopper lol
Apr 09 21:32:58 <lbt> <grin>
Apr 09 21:33:05 <lbt> have you seen wazd's graphics?
Apr 09 21:34:08 <lbt> http://s47.radikal.ru/i115/0904/ad/c36726226e91.png
Apr 09 21:34:10 <lcuk> yeah
Apr 09 21:34:29 <lbt> he's suggested lots of UI changes too... lots on the list
Apr 09 21:35:11 <lcuk> cool
Apr 09 21:36:04 <lbt> been dead busy on OBS though - and then Qt kinetics for gnuton
Apr 09 21:36:33 <lcuk> yeah ive seen
Apr 09 21:36:39 <lcuk> ive had a busy week as well
Apr 09 21:37:08 <lcuk> i got liqbase onto a git server and have been fixing up and solidyfing a lot of code
Apr 09 21:37:33 <lbt> good stuff
Apr 09 21:37:48 <lcuk> its also being documented :)
Apr 09 21:38:20 <lcuk> z4chh has set the ball rolling on this one :)
Apr 09 21:39:12 <lcuk> if you get curious #liqbase will get you a login :P
Apr 09 22:17:30 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, conspiracies.
Apr 09 22:17:51 <Stskeeps> bacon is actually rx-51?
Apr 09 22:18:18 <lcuk> rx-51 contains bacon
Apr 09 22:18:23 <lcuk> its more like a cpu
Apr 09 22:18:47 <ds3> Mmmm bacon
Apr 09 22:18:51 <GeneralAntilles> Talk transition silliness.
Apr 09 22:56:44 <tds5016> can anyone tell me how to get access to the gps with python?
Apr 09 23:00:51 <ShadowJK> python2.5-gpsbt
Apr 09 23:01:42 <ShadowJK> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_gps_examples/index.html
Apr 09 23:02:41 <tds5016> ShadowJK:  thanks man!
Apr 09 23:02:47 <tds5016> where can I download that library?
Apr 09 23:02:52 <tds5016> or does it come iwth python?
Apr 09 23:03:10 <tds5016> and will that let me get access to the on board gps?
Apr 09 23:03:29 <ShadowJK> I don't think it was installed with the python-device-env thing
Apr 09 23:03:45 <ShadowJK> But if you have rootsh or openssh installed, get root and apt-get install python2.5-gpsbt
Apr 09 23:03:56 <tds5016> ShadowJK:  it's not in the repos :-/.
Apr 09 23:04:05 <ShadowJK> It's not visible in application manager
Apr 09 23:04:15 <ShadowJK> it's in the repos though
Apr 09 23:05:28 <tds5016> sudo apt-cache search python2.5-gpsbt doesn't pull it up :-/.
Apr 09 23:05:52 <ShadowJK> what about just gpsbt?
Apr 09 23:06:07 <tds5016> that driver is there.
Apr 09 23:06:22 <ShadowJK> 'libgpsbt'?
Apr 09 23:06:34 <tds5016> yeah, that's there.
Apr 09 23:06:41 <tds5016> will that include the python bindings?
Apr 09 23:06:45 <ShadowJK> no
Apr 09 23:07:08 <tds5016> it says it has the newest version :-/.
Apr 09 23:07:56 <tds5016> I hope it's already installed.
Apr 09 23:08:08 <tds5016> I guess I COULD just run the sample code and see if it outputs it. haha.
Apr 09 23:08:20 <ShadowJK> yeah or import gpsbt in a python shell...
Apr 09 23:08:25 <tds5016> wait... that is for a gps connected over bluetooth.
Apr 09 23:08:26 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 09 23:08:33 <ShadowJK> works fine for internal gps
Apr 09 23:08:42 <tds5016> that will pull the internal one?
Apr 09 23:08:55 <ShadowJK> Description: Library for finding paired GPS BT device and internal GPS device
Apr 09 23:08:55 <ShadowJK>  The lib uses libgpsmgr API to start and stop gpsd.
Apr 09 23:08:56 <tds5016> haha, too bad I never get a damned connection with it. haha.
Apr 09 23:09:08 <ShadowJK> It doesn't work indoors :)
Apr 09 23:09:12 <ShadowJK> it helps to have a-gps installed
Apr 09 23:09:38 <tds5016> what's a-gps?
Apr 09 23:10:27 <ShadowJK> assisted gps, fetches some data from internet instead of having to wait until there's been clear satellite signal long enough to download it from the satellite
Apr 09 23:11:39 <ShadowJK> but still, it doesn't work indoors, except sometimes if you put it in a window and the window faces in the right direction :)
Apr 09 23:13:02 <ShadowJK> hm, I hope you've flashed to the diablo firmware and enabled extras repository in application manager? :)
Apr 09 23:19:14 <tds5016> hmm, gpsbt isn't found by python :-(
Apr 09 23:19:25 <tds5016> I am on diabloe.
Apr 09 23:19:27 <tds5016> diablo.
Apr 09 23:19:31 <tds5016> and I do have extras enabled.
Apr 09 23:52:13 <GeneralAntilles> lol Beagle MID
Apr 09 23:52:22 <GeneralAntilles> It's huuuge
Apr 09 23:52:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7324374331.html
Apr 09 23:54:20 <ds3> :P
Apr 09 23:54:29 <ds3> it was not a finished thing
Apr 09 23:55:02 <ds3> some of that is not accurate
Apr 09 23:56:07 <GeneralAntilles> The Beagle's giant ass ports aren't conducive to building compact devices.
Apr 09 23:57:08 <lcuk> as a proof of concept though it wins hands down
Apr 09 23:57:23 <GeneralAntilles> "was said to have consumed about 80 people hours."
Apr 09 23:57:27 <GeneralAntilles> I want some people hours.
Apr 09 23:57:37 <lcuk> they have an omap3 based tablet before nokia or pandora :P
Apr 09 23:57:59 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, Archos beat both by almost a year.
Apr 09 23:58:45 <lcuk> deflated, but its not openopen is it
Apr 09 23:59:25 <GeneralAntilles> You didn't specific open.
Apr 09 23:59:36 <GeneralAntilles> s/specific/specify/
Apr 09 23:59:37 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: You didn't specify open.
Apr 10 00:00:20 <lcuk> didnt realise archos was on it though
Apr 10 00:00:51 <GeneralAntilles> Archos 5
Apr 10 00:00:56 <GeneralAntilles> From last Summer
Apr 10 00:01:11 <lcuk> cool then
Apr 10 00:06:48 <ds3> GA: yes, that was one of the things that irked me; had the design the middle layer around them
Apr 10 00:07:07 <ds3> had to design
Apr 10 00:07:17 <GeneralAntilles> Huh?
Apr 10 00:07:41 <ds3> GA: that is mine... and I had to juggle the plastic around the connectors
Apr 10 00:07:51 <ds3> the S-Video was the the most irksome
Apr 10 00:08:13 <GeneralAntilles> Oh
Apr 10 00:08:15 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 10 00:08:19 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid nick coloring
Apr 10 00:08:29 <GeneralAntilles> Thought you were lcuk and it was a bit of a non-sequitor. :P
Apr 10 00:08:36 <ds3> Oh haha
Apr 10 00:09:11 <ds3> the problem with finishing it in about 80hrs is having to expediate shipping of some stuff
Apr 10 00:09:15 <ds3> that adds up :(
Apr 10 00:09:20 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 10 00:10:03 <ds3> and I am working on making it thinner... knocking off 0.25" is a no brainer
Apr 10 00:10:11 <zakkm> any chance theres a screenshot for hildon-theme-sumea-mer  ?
Apr 10 00:10:51 <GeneralAntilles> We need nanotech or something to make hobbyist mobile devices more feasible. :D
Apr 10 00:11:17 <ds3> other then the ports, what else would you like to make smaller?
Apr 10 00:11:54 <GeneralAntilles> Less bezel or more buttons.
Apr 10 00:12:06 <GeneralAntilles> 800x480 is a minimum
Apr 10 00:12:35 <ds3> got a source for a cheap 800x480 LCD?
Apr 10 00:12:41 <ds3> that was my problem
Apr 10 00:12:53 <zakkm> you guys are going to make a MID?
Apr 10 00:12:58 <GeneralAntilles> Found some N810 panels, but they were all from the UK. :\
Apr 10 00:13:22 <ds3> zakkm: made one ;)
Apr 10 00:13:31 <ds3> it just sucks
Apr 10 00:13:35 <zakkm> ds3: screenshot?
Apr 10 00:13:50 <ds3> zakkm: http://www.hy-research.com/beagle_mid.html
Apr 10 00:14:16 <zakkm> that was you?
Apr 10 00:14:19 <zakkm> i saw it on engadget
Apr 10 00:14:23 <ds3> *nod*
Apr 10 00:14:26 <ds3> I am the nut
Apr 10 00:15:05 <zakkm> wow, i got so intersted in that
Apr 10 00:15:08 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice to get some expansion boards for the Beagle
Apr 10 00:15:15 <zakkm> does it work well?
Apr 10 00:15:21 <ds3> there is a tidal wave of them on the way
Apr 10 00:15:48 <GeneralAntilles> Really? Good.
Apr 10 00:15:57 <zakkm> how good is the beagle mid?
Apr 10 00:16:06 <ds3> it works... it is a prototype... an idea. I wanted to do something that not too long ago was out of the hands of us mortals
Apr 10 00:16:27 <ds3> it isn't good... needs better software for starters
Apr 10 00:16:28 <zakkm> going to market it? :P
Apr 10 00:16:44 <ds3> maybe as a kit if anyone wants to buy it
Apr 10 00:16:51 <ds3> like GA said, it is big, bulky and...
Apr 10 00:17:19 <GeneralAntilles> Hobby kit would work.
Apr 10 00:17:34 <ds3> GA: any particular expansion ability you are looking for?
Apr 10 00:17:42 <ds3> expansion boards are nearly trivial to slap together
Apr 10 00:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> Target the modelling crowd. ;)
Apr 10 00:18:21 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, Gumstix has a nice set.
Apr 10 00:18:25 <ds3> you can hand wire them; that's what I did before
Apr 10 00:18:33 <ds3> GA: gumstix connectors blow chunks
Apr 10 00:18:43 <GeneralAntilles> Do they?
Apr 10 00:18:54 <ds3> tiny so you have to spin a PCB
Apr 10 00:19:04 <ds3> beagle has a 0.1" header so you can hand wire it
Apr 10 00:19:25 <ds3> can't dead bug those plastic thingies
Apr 10 00:19:58 <GeneralAntilles> A wireless connectivity board would be good
Apr 10 00:20:09 <GeneralAntilles> Especially since the USB stuff has suspect powersaving.
Apr 10 00:20:46 <zakkm> ds3: you should keep working on the beagle mid, could become sickk :P
Apr 10 00:20:53 <zakkm> like real market
Apr 10 00:22:13 <ds3> GA: Bluetooth sufficient?
Apr 10 00:22:38 <GeneralAntilles> WiFi would be nice.
Apr 10 00:22:38 <ds3> zakkm: got to do stuff to pay the bills first :/
Apr 10 00:22:55 <zakkm> right, always important
Apr 10 00:23:04 <zakkm> wish i could pay my bills, my money just seems to go less and less
Apr 10 00:23:13 <ds3> why is everyone wanting WiFi? I find I rarely use my WiFi on my N800 outside of home
Apr 10 00:23:36 <GeneralAntilles> Because we like to connect our devices to the internet?
Apr 10 00:23:51 <ds3> I use bluetooth for that outside of home
Apr 10 00:24:00 <ds3> the so call free wifi rarely works well
Apr 10 00:24:17 <zakkm> wifi is important ;p
Apr 10 00:24:25 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I have WiFi in most of the places I spend most of my time.
Apr 10 00:24:25 <zakkm> speaking from a teenagers point of view
Apr 10 00:24:42 <ds3> I must manage to avoid those places
Apr 10 00:24:49 <zakkm> the ipod touch did so well because it had wifi, and it had a easy fast browser ;p
Apr 10 00:24:56 <GeneralAntilles> Home, school, work.
Apr 10 00:25:05 <ds3> the free places either 1 - lack signal strength or 2 - their DHCP servers are so overloaded I can't get an address
Apr 10 00:25:32 <ds3> dataplan + bt tether is slow but much more reliable
Apr 10 00:25:44 <GeneralAntilles> I have that, too.
Apr 10 00:25:50 <zakkm> could you stick a beagle board into an actual n800/n810?
Apr 10 00:26:01 <GeneralAntilles> But don't want to have to rely on it when I have faster and more reliable WiFi as an option.
Apr 10 00:26:04 <ds3> no, case is a bit too small
Apr 10 00:26:26 <GeneralAntilles> Bet you could shoehorn an Overo in there though
Apr 10 00:26:28 <ds3> when I first got the N800, I was trying to switch to the local wifi and that was frustrating
Apr 10 00:27:40 <zakkm> n800 should of came with a faster cpu
Apr 10 00:27:42 <GeneralAntilles> HSPA in the next one(s) should be nice
Apr 10 00:27:54 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, there wasn't anything faster in 2007.
Apr 10 00:28:14 <zakkm> is there any rumour that there will be more than one tablet coming out?
Apr 10 00:28:47 <GeneralAntilles> There are two codenames listed in the kernel: RX-51 and RX-71.
Apr 10 00:28:52 <zakkm> like 2.. a 16gb weaker model.. and a 32gb faster.. or something
Apr 10 00:28:55 <ds3> GA: well, isn't the 2430 slightly faster?
Apr 10 00:29:46 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, very marginally, but it wasn't out in 2007.
Apr 10 00:29:53 <GeneralAntilles> Well, when the N800 was out, anyway.
Apr 10 00:30:07 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, I suspect the differences will be larger than that.
Apr 10 00:30:23 <GeneralAntilles> Probably the same SoC, but maybe different formfactors.
Apr 10 00:30:24 <zakkm> idea of what i meant by two.
Apr 10 00:30:39 <zakkm> cause i dont have money and would like a faster tablet ;p
Apr 10 00:30:56 <zakkm> although i believe n810 price will drop :)
Apr 10 00:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> The N810 is not faster.
Apr 10 00:31:15 <zakkm> i know
Apr 10 00:31:20 <zakkm> but at least its a upgrade from n800
Apr 10 00:31:22 <ds3> build your own!
Apr 10 00:31:27 <zakkm> i wont have enough for a n900
Apr 10 00:31:33 <zakkm> or whatever it will be called
Apr 10 00:31:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's not really an upgrade over the N800
Apr 10 00:31:43 <zakkm> build? im not that techy to be able to
Apr 10 00:31:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's more of a sidegrade.
Apr 10 00:31:50 <zakkm> i like phyiscal keyboards
Apr 10 00:31:55 <zakkm> very much hate onscreen
Apr 10 00:32:03 <zakkm> i didnt buy the ipod, cause the onscreen one was really small
Apr 10 00:32:05 <zakkm> it drives me crazy
Apr 10 00:32:13 <GeneralAntilles> Just wait for the price drop.
Apr 10 00:33:43 <zakkm> cant wait ! :)
Apr 10 00:33:48 <zakkm> you think i should sell the n800 and wait
Apr 10 00:34:01 <zakkm> i dont mind not having one, and for mer testing i can use virtualbox
Apr 10 00:34:15 <GeneralAntilles> I'd keep the N800 and wait.
Apr 10 00:34:35 * fireun keeps the 770s and waits
Apr 10 00:34:43 <zakkm> my 770 wsod :(
Apr 10 00:34:48 <zakkm> and then i didnt have warranty
Apr 10 00:35:36 <fireun> the audio plug on one of mine is toast due to too many drops while plugged into the stereo
Apr 10 00:35:50 <zakkm> 770 was cool, i would of kept it if i didnt wsod'd
Apr 10 00:35:53 <fireun> and it also needs to have 2008 wiped and 2007he put back on
Apr 10 00:35:59 <zakkm> but i got a nice deal for n800 ( $110 USD )
Apr 10 00:36:05 <fireun> nice
Apr 10 00:36:18 <zakkm> and they came to where i work, so convinent too
Apr 10 00:36:19 * fireun doesnt want to say what his first 770 cost
Apr 10 00:36:29 <zakkm> my 770 was $85 :D
Apr 10 00:36:34 <zakkm> canadian.
Apr 10 00:36:50 <zakkm> $62 USD
Apr 10 00:37:11 <zakkm> i like 2007OS better than diablo heh
Apr 10 00:37:33 <zakkm> if it wasnt for that DSP thing, i would be using 2007
Apr 10 00:37:35 * fireun waits for mer to be usable
Apr 10 00:37:52 * zakkm is currently downloading mer 0.11 vmdk
Apr 10 00:37:52 <fireun> android would be fine too, if it was reviewed as being no slower than 2008
Apr 10 00:38:04 <fireun> but I know it aint there yet
Apr 10 00:38:06 <zakkm> it is fast, just unstable heh
Apr 10 00:38:14 <zakkm> nitdroid is so unstable
Apr 10 00:38:29 <zakkm> but its faster than maemo
Apr 10 00:38:31 <fireun> unstable is what I've got with 2008, so I'm in no hurry
Apr 10 00:38:38 <zakkm> heh
Apr 10 00:38:40 <fireun> unstable AND slow
Apr 10 00:38:42 <fireun> (:
Apr 10 00:38:44 <zakkm> system reboots? freezes?
Apr 10 00:38:46 <fireun> and a memory/cpu hog
Apr 10 00:38:55 <zakkm> lack of onscreen keyboard working
Apr 10 00:39:17 <GeneralAntilles> I've paid full price for two tablets.
Apr 10 00:39:18 <fireun> I have the cpu/mem applet going, so its clear that the slowdowns/freezing is because its out of swap/ram
Apr 10 00:39:35 <zakkm> 2008 is slow on 770, i remember it heh
Apr 10 00:39:37 <fireun> 2007HE at least keeps its hat on
Apr 10 00:39:43 <zakkm> but on n800 its the opposite
Apr 10 00:39:50 <zakkm> i love 2007 UI
Apr 10 00:40:00 <fireun> 2008 starts out faster, but slows from there
Apr 10 00:40:08 <zakkm> might reflash with it just for fun :D
Apr 10 00:41:01 <fireun> I know its never going to be fast hardware, I just want reliable, solid and "stable" net browser/note editor
Apr 10 00:41:29 <fireun> IM would be nice, but its kind of a one or maybe two app device, running IM just takes resources that would make browsing more useful (:
Apr 10 00:41:30 <zakkm> heh
Apr 10 00:41:51 <zakkm> thats why they should of shipped with faster processors :)
Apr 10 00:41:54 <fireun> I also use it as the net-music-stream->stereo widget
Apr 10 00:42:14 <fireun> although it would be nice to control it remotely so I dont have to go into the other room to restart a stream or switch streams
Apr 10 00:42:23 <zakkm> ssh?
Apr 10 00:42:32 <zakkm> why not mpd?
Apr 10 00:42:36 <zakkm> mpd should do
Apr 10 00:42:43 <fireun> zakkm: I'm over the "needs faster, more ram, bigger screen, bigger drive" craving mode.
Apr 10 00:42:46 <zakkm> have  mpd server in other room, and run like sonata on your tablet
Apr 10 00:43:03 <zakkm> lol i get jealous by ppl with ipod touch's, it goes so fast
Apr 10 00:43:06 <fireun> bigger better blah blah more money/never satisfied =gets old
Apr 10 00:43:30 <zakkm> i kno
Apr 10 00:43:32 <zakkm> i want a 770 ;p
Apr 10 00:43:39 <zakkm> scared it would of wsod again though
Apr 10 00:44:01 <GeneralAntilles> 770 is the suck
Apr 10 00:44:02 <fireun> what causes wsod? overflashwritting?
Apr 10 00:44:11 <fireun> GeneralAntilles: you kids just want the shiny
Apr 10 00:44:13 <zakkm> lcd screen controller i believe
Apr 10 00:44:25 <GeneralAntilles> Overvoltage on the controller
Apr 10 00:45:52 <GeneralAntilles> fireun, nah, I want a decent browsing experience a reasonably fast video decoding.
Apr 10 00:55:32 <zakkm> hey guys , this is intersting, an actual distro that takes a maemo sort of window manager approach
Apr 10 00:55:38 <zakkm> desktop distro*
Apr 10 00:55:46 <zakkm> http://xpud.org/
Apr 10 00:56:19 <zakkm> http://xpud.org/screenshot/xpud-0.8.9-4.png <-- other screenshot
Apr 10 01:00:29 <tds5016> hello. where can I get pygpsbt?
Apr 10 01:00:34 <tds5016> I don't see it in the repos.
Apr 10 01:01:24 <ds3> heh.... "it's small too" ... under 48MB....
Apr 10 01:03:40 <tds5016> what?
Apr 10 01:04:35 <ds3> the xpud.org distro
Apr 10 01:05:07 <ds3> it is almost like calling a Chevy tahoe a small car
Apr 10 01:05:22 <tds5016> oh. haha.
Apr 10 01:05:49 <tds5016> this is kinda frustrating that pygpsbt didn't install with python :-/
Apr 10 01:10:21 <tds5016> nvm... I had to run sudo apt-get update to get the apt-cache to update.
Apr 10 01:10:21 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:19:10 <zakkm> ds3: just thought it reminded me of maemo/mer
Apr 10 01:19:25 <zakkm> home, menu and stuff at left side.. apps on right side
Apr 10 01:20:03 <tds5016> wow, maemo and python are like a freakin' dream to develop with!
Apr 10 01:20:15 <zakkm> ?
Apr 10 01:20:34 <ds3> zakkm: it does look like it... I just fine the claim of size funny
Apr 10 01:20:56 <zakkm> claim of size?
Apr 10 01:21:00 <zakkm> its downloadable?
Apr 10 01:21:13 <zakkm> saw it on distrowatch
Apr 10 01:25:59 <tds5016> anyone know where I can start the gps/
Apr 10 01:26:01 <tds5016> ?*
Apr 10 01:26:09 <tds5016> a quick app that'll try to start the gps, that is.
Apr 10 01:29:40 <ds3> it says under 48M on the page
Apr 10 01:36:01 <tds5016> how do I open up the gps to try to get a signal?
Apr 10 01:40:33 <zakkm> ds3: i know, its not lying and its 48mb iso, compressed of course
Apr 10 01:40:47 <zakkm> suppose to boot in under 10 seconds too
Apr 10 01:41:51 <ds3> even if it is uncompressed, 48M isn't exactly small
Apr 10 01:42:22 <tds5016> wow, the gps on this is absolutely worthless...
Apr 10 01:42:24 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:42:37 <Pavlov> on the n810?
Apr 10 01:43:22 <tds5016> yeah.
Apr 10 01:43:30 <tds5016> haha, I can't get a damned connection no matter WHAT I do.
Apr 10 01:43:31 <Pavlov> yeah it is a joke
Apr 10 01:43:31 <tds5016> ahha.
Apr 10 01:43:37 <Pavlov> go outside
Apr 10 01:43:38 <Pavlov> wait 20 minutes
Apr 10 01:43:44 <tds5016> ... I was.
Apr 10 01:43:46 <tds5016> haha!
Apr 10 01:43:49 <tds5016> oh, 20 minutes....
Apr 10 01:43:51 <tds5016>  really?
Apr 10 01:43:55 <zakkm> its unusable
Apr 10 01:44:00 <tds5016> yeah, pretty much.
Apr 10 01:44:06 <zakkm> it is a gps, but it is very very unusable
Apr 10 01:45:26 <tds5016> and the fact it had a gps and a camera in it was part of why we bought it.
Apr 10 01:45:27 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:45:50 <zakkm> that was a mistake :D
Apr 10 01:46:02 <zakkm> wanna sell it? :)
Apr 10 01:46:03 <tds5016> oh well, we'll probably end up buying a cheap bluetooth gps.
Apr 10 01:46:04 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:46:07 <tds5016> nope. not at all.
Apr 10 01:46:15 <tds5016> I was one for personal use after developing for it.
Apr 10 01:46:16 <zakkm> offer up my n800 and $50  ?
Apr 10 01:46:16 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:46:29 <tds5016> want*
Apr 10 01:46:40 <tds5016> the thing is beautifully easy to develop for!
Apr 10 01:47:08 <tds5016> haha, it'd be nice if I could rip the GPS out of this thing complete.
Apr 10 01:47:11 <tds5016> completely*
Apr 10 01:47:12 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:48:08 <tds5016> I won't need this for a while... but do you know how I can install a python program on the maemo?
Apr 10 01:48:16 <tds5016> without using the command line to launch it*
Apr 10 01:49:38 <qwerty12_N800> a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon (the folder is full of tons of them)
Apr 10 01:50:00 <tds5016> of python apps?
Apr 10 01:50:11 <tds5016> how do I give it an icon, and a place in the menu?
Apr 10 01:50:14 <qwerty12_N800> no, a desktop file
Apr 10 01:50:37 <tds5016> oh, I don't want it to be a desktop file. haha. I need to be able to launch the program from a menu.
Apr 10 01:50:47 <tds5016> well, that would be the most desireable solution, that is.
Apr 10 01:51:01 <qwerty12_N800> yes, a desktop file is required for that.
Apr 10 01:51:16 <lcuk> the .desktop file related to an installed program is what is run when you click on a menu item
Apr 10 01:51:21 <qwerty12_N800> just look in the folder, you'll get what i'm saying.
Apr 10 01:51:22 <tds5016> oh okay, thanks! I'll probably be back to bother you guys about that again :-)
Apr 10 01:51:32 <lcuk> it also tells the menu itself what icon to use
Apr 10 01:51:33 <tds5016> oh okay :-)
Apr 10 01:51:45 <tds5016> I'll be back to bother you guys for that.
Apr 10 01:51:50 <lcuk> and the actual command line to execute
Apr 10 01:52:06 <lcuk> tds5016, khertan does lots of python stuff
Apr 10 01:52:09 <tds5016> I really have to get home now. haha, it's been a long day of playing with this device. I gotta say, I'm kinda stoked for how it'll turn out :-)
Apr 10 01:52:23 <lcuk> he also has a python app packager
Apr 10 01:52:31 <tds5016> lcuk: I'm learning python as I go. haha.
Apr 10 01:52:34 <lcuk> specifically geared to setting up a .deb from a python app
Apr 10 01:53:18 * lcuk wonders why he is still awake
Apr 10 01:53:55 <tds5016> oh, an installer would be a crazy sexy solution, and I like debs ;-)
Apr 10 01:54:10 <tds5016> haha, that's one thing debian did right, for the most part.
Apr 10 01:54:18 <tds5016> haha, the package management is pretty sexy haha.
Apr 10 01:54:24 * qwerty12_N800 blames lcuk for his being awake 
Apr 10 01:54:51 <tds5016> haha, I blame PSU ;-)
Apr 10 01:55:01 <tds5016> I shoulda known better than to say I'd do research.
Apr 10 01:55:04 <tds5016> haha...
Apr 10 01:55:36 <tds5016> if you ever go to a university that is known for research, take no part in it, unless u wanna have WAYY to much to do.
Apr 10 01:55:37 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:56:43 <lcuk> if you ever go to a university where you are actually being pushed to learn and you dont want to be there ;) give up your seat for someone who does
Apr 10 01:57:10 <tds5016> haha, lcuk this is for funding for the college mostly.
Apr 10 01:57:14 <tds5016> haha, not being pushed to learn.
Apr 10 01:57:15 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 01:57:20 <tds5016> I enjoy learning, as is.
Apr 10 01:57:26 <tds5016> haha, plus I like to bitch, obviously :-D
Apr 10 01:57:28 <tds5016> hahaha!
Apr 10 01:57:51 <tds5016> actually, I'm just talking shit, I love this place, in total honesty.
Apr 10 01:58:10 <tds5016> I'm going to be sorry to leave, but I'm gonna get warm weather when I go :-D.
Apr 10 01:58:22 <tds5016> sorry, I'm off topic, I know.
Apr 10 01:58:26 <lcuk> damn you
Apr 10 01:58:31 <tds5016> damn me?
Apr 10 01:58:34 <lcuk> where are you heading to
Apr 10 01:58:36 <lcuk> yes
Apr 10 01:58:41 <tds5016> San Jose, California :-)
Apr 10 01:58:42 <lcuk> i live in manchester england, it rains
Apr 10 01:59:01 <zakkm> lcuk: my mom grew up there :)
Apr 10 01:59:04 <zakkm> beautiful placeee :P
Apr 10 01:59:06 <tds5016> oh, I'd love to go to england. haha. Just to visit though.
Apr 10 01:59:16 <zakkm> been to manchester, 3 trips
Apr 10 01:59:25 <tds5016> the rain/dreary weather = stab myself in the face.
Apr 10 01:59:29 <zakkm> like 3 plane trips
Apr 10 01:59:34 <tds5016> you a big manchester united fan?
Apr 10 01:59:57 <lcuk> last time i flew back from france, it was sunshine all the way, until we descended into the clouds
Apr 10 02:00:06 <lcuk> i have forgotten what the sun actually looks like
Apr 10 02:00:11 <lcuk> barring photographs
Apr 10 02:00:14 <zakkm> lcuk: you close to bury?
Apr 10 02:00:36 <lcuk> work near there, live on the other side of town tho
Apr 10 02:00:39 <tds5016> haha, yeah, I've forgotten what ground looks like, it snows so damned much in State College, PA
Apr 10 02:00:39 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 02:00:52 <tds5016> it's always like three feet of snow.
Apr 10 02:00:53 <zakkm> ever go into "town" in bury
Apr 10 02:01:04 <zakkm> theres like the market, and Asda and stuff
Apr 10 02:01:10 <tds5016> mmkay, I gotta leave my office and get back to my apartment. haha.
Apr 10 02:01:25 <lcuk> been a few times, its nothing special
Apr 10 02:01:26 <lcuk> lol
Apr 10 02:01:29 <zakkm> lol
Apr 10 02:01:33 <zakkm> my favourite
Apr 10 02:01:41 <zakkm> theres like a weird shopping center
Apr 10 02:01:49 <zakkm> and a subway and library
Apr 10 02:01:58 <lcuk> you knwo far too much
Apr 10 02:02:03 <zakkm> ?
Apr 10 02:02:06 <zakkm> I live in Toronto , Canada.
Apr 10 02:02:11 <lcuk> exactly
Apr 10 02:02:15 <zakkm> lol
Apr 10 02:02:17 <lcuk> remove bury from your mind :)
Apr 10 02:02:20 <zakkm> how do i know far too much?
Apr 10 02:02:22 <lcuk> theres more good stuff lol
Apr 10 02:02:24 <zakkm> its the only place i do know
Apr 10 02:02:31 <zakkm> well you said manchester.
Apr 10 02:02:43 <tds5016> lcuk: I think he's stalking you....
Apr 10 02:02:46 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 02:02:47 <lcuk> i suppose its better than being asked if im a MUFC fan ;)
Apr 10 02:02:55 <zakkm> didnt go into manchester all that much, cant remember it anyways .. i got a black eye in blackpool
Apr 10 02:03:15 <lcuk> heh, from a 17stone girl with a mustache?
Apr 10 02:03:26 <zakkm> ?
Apr 10 02:03:31 <lcuk> your black eye
Apr 10 02:03:36 <tds5016> haha, were you drunk and getting frisky with her?
Apr 10 02:03:37 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 02:03:39 <zakkm> cant remember how it happened
Apr 10 02:03:45 <zakkm> it was like 5 years ago
Apr 10 02:03:47 <lcuk> thats what she said
Apr 10 02:04:09 <tds5016> and btw, wtf is a stone?
Apr 10 02:04:10 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 02:04:18 <zakkm> 11 lbs
Apr 10 02:04:21 <zakkm> 1 stone = 11 lbs
Apr 10 02:04:22 <tds5016> sorry, I'm such a sad american :-/.
Apr 10 02:04:29 <zakkm> 17 stones = 187 lbs.. weight
Apr 10 02:04:43 <tds5016> wow, that was some ridiculous quick conversions going on, you have to do that one often?
Apr 10 02:04:45 <zakkm> in the uk they use pebbles and stones.. rather than lbs
Apr 10 02:04:58 <zakkm> do what?
Apr 10 02:05:01 <lcuk> heh @ peblles
Apr 10 02:05:01 <tds5016> haha, I'm gonna start measuring in stones just to throw people off from now on.
Apr 10 02:05:02 <tds5016> haha.
Apr 10 02:05:06 <zakkm> its 11 .. 11x17 = 187 doesnt it?
Apr 10 02:05:20 <zakkm> im a grocery store cashier.. mess with numbers enough
Apr 10 02:06:17 <zakkm> lcuk: you like manchester?
Apr 10 02:06:32 <Lanza> google says 14lbs per stone
Apr 10 02:06:40 <lcuk> yeah, but would prefer it to be warmer
Apr 10 02:06:43 <tds5016> I'm going to be a software engineer for a fortune 500, I have a feeling I'm going to be dealing with numbers a bit more than I'd like to. haha.
Apr 10 02:06:48 <zakkm> 14? really?
Apr 10 02:06:53 <zakkm> i was told it was 11 when i was younger
Apr 10 02:07:04 <lcuk> inflation
Apr 10 02:07:17 <zakkm> damn im wrong, im sorry
Apr 10 02:07:19 <lcuk> mcdonalds
Apr 10 02:07:20 <tds5016> lcuk: haha, the american women prove it...
Apr 10 02:08:07 <tds5016> ;-)
Apr 10 02:08:23 <lcuk> heh
Apr 10 02:08:38 <tds5016> okay, time to finally get home.
Apr 10 02:11:39 <tds5016> thanks for all your help tonight guys.
Apr 10 02:11:43 <tds5016> I'll talk to you all tomorrow.
Apr 10 02:31:58 <lcuk> \o gnite
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