**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 10 02:59:57 2009 Apr 10 07:17:14 Morning, all Apr 10 07:18:28 morning jaffa Apr 10 07:20:54 moin Apr 10 07:24:54 good morning Apr 10 07:27:53 morning Apr 10 07:45:03 Morning Apr 10 07:48:29 Mo[u]rning all Apr 10 08:06:05 does anyone understand why the home city / out city thing is needed in Maemo? :P Apr 10 08:06:28 Stskeeps: For the calendar backend? Apr 10 08:06:40 mm, maybe Apr 10 08:07:07 Not really being used atm, but Fremantle has a lot more services which might depend on it. Apr 10 08:07:23 As it is a lot more location aware. Apr 10 08:07:28 yeah, true Apr 10 08:11:50 Sts: It is for when you travel Apr 10 08:12:23 mm Apr 10 08:12:32 * Stskeeps ponders idly how they change timezones Apr 10 08:15:04 that said, it is pretty useless right now because you cannot tell it that you travel Apr 10 08:15:12 true Apr 10 08:21:09 Yeah, last month I was travelling from NL to FI, FI to SE and SE, FI, NL. Well enough timezone changes there ;) Apr 10 08:21:28 It would be nice if it probably tracked location/timezone. Apr 10 08:21:44 Especially when you have to wake up at a certain time ;) Apr 10 08:21:48 yeah, from GPS :P Apr 10 08:25:18 timezones are hard Apr 10 08:31:54 The only problem is that right now it is YOU who is telling it the location via AGPS tool :) Apr 10 08:50:01 Hello world Apr 10 08:53:49 HELLO Apr 10 08:54:57 Hell wazd Apr 10 08:55:02 Umgh Apr 10 09:03:03 Vandals take down Internet, emergency, and voice services in California! Apr 10 09:03:38 10 cables. 4 locations. All it takes. Apr 10 09:04:55 URL? Apr 10 09:07:26 RST38h: the worst threat against infrastructure is not terrorists. it's stupid people in bulldozers Apr 10 09:09:11 Sts: These weren't stupid people Apr 10 09:09:36 smart people in bulldozers are scarier Apr 10 09:09:46 Sts: They knew what to cut and where. And, miraculously, AT&T has been having a dispute with its trade union just now =) Apr 10 09:09:54 have you read about that guy who welded armor to a bulldozer and went on a rampage? Apr 10 09:09:54 mgdemin <-- speaketh the truth Apr 10 09:09:58 the police could do nothing to him Apr 10 09:10:13 lbt: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/10/vandals-take-down-internet-emergency-and-voice-services-in-cal/ Apr 10 09:10:36 mgedmin: Well, police does not plan, and that guy did Apr 10 09:11:19 'The manhole covers are heavy," he said, "and would take quite an effort to lift, perhaps even requiring a tool." ' Apr 10 09:11:24 ... Apr 10 09:14:26 Sts: Yea, this is what the world looks like to a layman Apr 10 09:14:55 Sts: Manholes are heavy, doors marked "do not enter" are locked, and everything is a black box Apr 10 09:15:53 God bless those people, while they are the majority, I will have steady income :) Apr 10 09:26:08 RST38h: ta .... I wonder if 4 locations are "up there, over there, here and here" or 4 facilites many miles apart? Apr 10 09:27:36 lbt: It says San Francisco. The city isn't that big. Apr 10 09:29:34 even so, different buildings suggest a different kind of intent than vandalising a single room or two Apr 10 09:30:16 lbt: IMHO, anything that involves going down a manhole and cutting the right cable isn't "vandalising" Apr 10 09:30:36 how many wrong cables were cut? Apr 10 09:30:45 It says 10 Apr 10 09:30:51 just wondering how targetted it was Apr 10 09:31:04 Ah, you mean the right/wrong ratio Apr 10 09:31:05 yes, but if they cut 100 and got the 10 critical ones... Apr 10 09:31:07 yes Apr 10 09:31:16 or if there were only 10 Apr 10 09:31:27 The article does not say, although I do not think a manhole may contain more than 5-10 total Apr 10 09:31:45 luck vs judgement... Apr 10 09:32:15 Most likely judgement though. Apr 10 09:32:38 ah... http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/09/2044205 130am then 3:30am in another town(?) Apr 10 09:33:21 sounds much more precise Apr 10 09:33:31 Perfect Apr 10 09:34:12 * RST38h is eagerly awaiting some new religion or ideology that well give smart people smart reasons to commit acts like this Apr 10 09:34:27 This will provide for years of fun Apr 10 09:34:40 true Apr 10 09:35:50 RST38h: i think it already exists though.. or atleast imagined up in sci fi Apr 10 09:36:07 Sts: "imagined" won't do, I can imagine much scarier things Apr 10 09:36:14 true Apr 10 09:36:31 1984 was actually slightly weak compared to what actually went on in soviet, heh Apr 10 09:36:34 Sts: And the 40-virgins clause also does not work on anyone worth his shit Apr 10 09:37:02 Sts: Not really. .SU wasn't THAT scary Apr 10 09:37:18 Sts: More of a pain in the ass really Apr 10 09:37:24 *nod* Apr 10 09:48:39 is there known rootkits in maemo? so strange my diablo behaves, slowly screen is sluggish like heavy load but load applet doesn't show Apr 10 09:48:58 thux: Can be IO. Apr 10 09:49:30 howto find out? Apr 10 09:51:10 Install htop Apr 10 09:51:31 Run it (preferably from remote console, it likes huge consoles) and see what it shows Apr 10 09:52:03 ok i try that, thanks Apr 10 10:10:02 htop shows that even when tablet idles cpu is used 13% and half of memory is used, are these normal figures? Apr 10 10:10:32 thux: cpu usage is probably htop + your console ;) Apr 10 10:11:38 hehe Apr 10 10:12:07 yes 13% when idle is like vista in lap Apr 10 10:37:46 thux, if 13% idle is considered "normal" we would have to charge batteries every couple of hours Apr 10 10:38:32 o_O 498 thanks on iTT Apr 10 10:49:26 2 more... Apr 10 10:51:12 RST38h, its like pokemon! Apr 10 10:51:35 do thanks from different people give you different types of attacks? Apr 10 10:52:58 yeah rst :D Apr 10 10:53:32 you keep up with slashdot dont you Apr 10 10:54:43 499 Apr 10 10:56:51 * RST38h has slashdot in the rss Apr 10 10:56:55 o_O Apr 10 10:58:01 RST38h, they just implemtned a proper achievements section Apr 10 10:58:11 its something we could have on maemo :D Apr 10 10:58:25 "typed a word using osk" Apr 10 10:59:24 * RST38h does not like this stuff Apr 10 10:59:31 It breeds karma whores Apr 10 10:59:48 Simple "thanks" is ok, but making it elaborate breeds karma whores Apr 10 11:00:32 it makes the game fun! Apr 10 11:00:40 * lcuk is a whore Apr 10 11:02:21 qwerty12, on the text input poll you put yourself in OSK land, have you tried an 810? Apr 10 11:02:47 It was a mistake, I wasn't reading properly and wanted to go for stylus keyboard >.< Apr 10 11:04:02 there wasnt a stylus keyboard option :P Apr 10 11:04:22 the numpad stuff then, dunno :P Apr 10 11:04:56 the main problem with the hard keyboard though isnt text entry, its numerics Apr 10 11:07:59 * lcuk gets hacking Apr 10 11:12:58 lcuk: imho the main problem is the damn dpad Apr 10 11:13:12 And the way whole device seems to tumble over all the time Apr 10 11:15:59 heh RST38h ive never had that problem Apr 10 11:16:07 its so rare i take it out of its case Apr 10 11:16:24 and it just leans up against my monitor when im not holding it Apr 10 11:16:27 lcuk: Mine tumbles WITH the case :) Apr 10 11:16:45 Miraculously, you can still type through that layer of plastic Apr 10 11:17:47 RST38h, http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg Apr 10 11:17:52 my wodden case thingy Apr 10 11:18:26 Urgh Apr 10 11:18:42 lcuk: It's a laptop! Apr 10 11:19:13 i dont use the apple keyboard most of the time, its just a big book Apr 10 11:19:20 i can pick it up and throw it around properly Apr 10 11:19:26 Heh Apr 10 11:48:40 thats a funky enter key on that apple keyboard Apr 10 11:49:10 left shift too Apr 10 11:49:13 tank-man, its one of the nicest keyboards ive ever typed on Apr 10 11:49:21 ^compact Apr 10 11:49:46 considering its so small and the keys have so little travel, its extremely tactile and each key is big and easy to hit Apr 10 11:49:48 i have the same aluminum apple keyboard but with normal shift/enter keys Apr 10 11:49:55 ahh Apr 10 11:51:07 whats the wooden case for? Apr 10 11:51:20 stand on the n810 broken? Apr 10 11:57:15 tank-man, no its more for reading and generally throwing around Apr 10 11:57:34 He throws his n810 at his cat! Apr 10 11:57:59 when im lay in bed i can rest it sideways and just use my hand to support it (with finger on dpad enter for next page) Apr 10 11:58:33 * lcuk can read for hours that way without arm ache :) Apr 10 11:59:04 and when im writing on it - my wrist rests on the wooden side - its at the same level as the screen Apr 10 11:59:14 so its like writing on a proper pad Apr 10 11:59:29 without it you have to hold wrist in the air and its uncomfortable :) Apr 10 12:00:01 thecorrect way is, of course, to hold it vertically... Apr 10 12:00:19 i do RST38h Apr 10 12:00:43 i rest it on my tummy and its at the right level for my eyes Apr 10 12:01:42 http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg Apr 10 12:02:02 http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1256/810crateemptyhm3.jpg Apr 10 12:03:56 i should put those pics on liqbase.net now Apr 10 12:04:11 along with the explanation lol Apr 10 12:21:29 your wooden holder has inspired me to build a hands free holder out of pvc pipes Apr 10 12:22:17 heh tank-man cool Apr 10 12:22:30 lbt does stuff with piping Apr 10 12:22:35 (hes multitalented lol) Apr 10 12:23:21 Just sew a sleeve with a pocket for the n810 Apr 10 12:23:25 And wear it Apr 10 12:23:44 But, of course, if you find a wide enough PVC pipe... :) Apr 10 12:23:59 http://justoutsideboston.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/vw_beetle_laptop_desk_1.jpg Apr 10 12:24:03 something like that but smaller Apr 10 12:29:23 tank-man, what are you gonna plug the other end into Apr 10 12:29:34 bed frame Apr 10 12:29:52 its going to be more elaborate, going to have moving joints :) Apr 10 12:30:09 o_O Apr 10 12:30:15 dedication! Apr 10 12:30:50 you could use powered joints and have it waking you up in the morning Apr 10 12:34:19 tank-man: I hope you are already considering adding adeadly laser? Apr 10 12:36:24 that would require modifications to the PVC locking mechanism Apr 10 12:36:38 testing has shown it does not lock correctly to the dorsal fin Apr 10 12:36:59 You have got dorsal fins? Apr 10 12:37:08 no but the sharks do Apr 10 12:38:49 You are not giving your beloved n810 to sharks, are you? Apr 10 12:40:26 they can have the 800 :D Apr 10 12:46:14 i think im switching to wire coat hanger + duct tape Apr 10 12:46:27 my n800 is pretty light Apr 10 12:49:08 ah, the fashionable pyramidal shape! Apr 10 13:10:02 hola Apr 10 13:36:53 ...Slashdot gets a mention on page 45 not as a terrorist organization itself, but as one of the places that member of Anonymous may hang out... Apr 10 13:37:41 "Anonymous consists largely of users from multiple internet sites such as 4chan, 711chan, 420chan, Something Awful, Fark, Encyclopedia Dramatica, Slashdot, IRC channels, and YouTube." Apr 10 13:38:03 is this a copypaste from somewhere? Apr 10 13:38:19 Make: Guess where Apr 10 13:38:35 ohh. Apr 10 13:38:36 Stskeeps: Remember what I said this morning? ;) Apr 10 13:38:48 well, tell me Apr 10 13:38:50 RST38h: no, my memory is shot :P Apr 10 13:39:28 oh right. Apr 10 13:39:45 Found it, wasn't too hard. :P Apr 10 13:40:10 Stskeeps: That there has to be some cult for the smart people that makes them terrorists Apr 10 13:40:24 ah Apr 10 13:40:26 Stskeeps: Behold the Cult of Anonymous! :) Apr 10 13:40:30 true, true Apr 10 13:40:55 RST38h: i'm actually more afraid of anonymous mindset than let's say, punkers and some of the more extremist protestors Apr 10 13:40:56 A few more years, some persecution for police, a couple of martyrs, and we are all set up for fun Apr 10 13:41:03 s/for/by Apr 10 13:41:47 Stskeeps: Well, "DO IT FOR LULZ" is one ideology that can be used, but not the only one =) Apr 10 13:48:43 what are the other *chans about, ive heard of 4chan Apr 10 13:49:01 are they just dupes thereof or contain different stuff? Apr 10 13:49:59 same shit Apr 10 13:50:17 originate from some .jp based forums for anime lovers Apr 10 13:50:56 the european ones were also started by anime guys but have now become not limited to anime Apr 10 14:04:14 * b-man` was allmost successful in booting nitdroid in qemu while booted in Mer on his N800 :) Apr 10 14:04:56 hehe Apr 10 14:09:13 Allthough the debugging kernel that i was using with the emulator was erroring out because of a fuew missing components in the android image Apr 10 14:10:10 but it runs ok, amazingly Apr 10 14:10:35 the startup is quite slow Apr 10 14:11:05 but after it boots the kernel it runs fine :) Apr 10 14:12:02 * b-man` will upload screenshots Apr 10 14:13:37 * b-man` wonders what would happen if he booted mer in qemu in mer XD Apr 10 14:36:19 workworkwork Apr 10 14:37:29 Stskeeps: how about that AWESOME usps tracking huh ? :) Apr 10 14:38:02 Macer: well, it's holidays in .dk right now Apr 10 14:38:07 so they probably don't sort maill Apr 10 14:38:18 heh.. here too.. but the tracking is so vague Apr 10 14:38:32 ups and fedex probably have your pkg integrated into google maps with gps positioning Apr 10 14:38:36 they should just put in a gps coordinate.. Apr 10 14:38:38 usps says "left US" Apr 10 14:38:40 hehe Apr 10 14:38:47 :) Apr 10 14:39:17 ah well.. gotta go. hope it makes it there in time for your thing Apr 10 14:39:44 thanks Apr 10 17:56:44 z4chh, you got your wiring back in shape Apr 10 18:12:30 anyone here with n770 and working advanced-power? Apr 10 18:14:51 note to self: close window != autojoin on startup Apr 10 18:15:27 yes, so it goes Apr 10 18:19:00 Is this the appropriate location to ask questions regarding getting a scratchbox and sdk up and running? Apr 10 18:19:19 yeah.. but it isn't a support channel, so don't expect answers, but some may answer :P Apr 10 18:19:43 so give it a go :) Apr 10 18:19:55 heh, cool. Using this as a guide - http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 - I installed the Diablo scratchbox and SDK. Everything worked fine the first time through, including running xephyr and the test program. Rebooted my computer and started it all up again, and now I'm these: http://pastie.org/443024 Apr 10 18:20:16 ubuntu? Apr 10 18:20:35 yeah Apr 10 18:21:09 echo 4096 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr Apr 10 18:21:11 (from outside sb) Apr 10 18:21:20 echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled Apr 10 18:21:20 as well Apr 10 18:24:35 oh. Apr 10 18:24:49 Yeah, I thought I had that in sysctl.conf - so I figured those applied - thanks Stskeeps Apr 10 18:25:21 one of the files in /etc/sysctl.d will override it Apr 10 18:25:22 Sweet! Thanks a bunch Apr 10 18:25:57 * b-man` starts blasting his music Apr 10 18:26:38 qwerty12_N800: thanks. I'll probably just remember I need those from now on Apr 10 18:26:47 Stskeeps, sure its a support chan :P ive heard all sorts of things over the months Apr 10 18:26:57 "how do i cook bacon perfectly?" Apr 10 18:27:11 lol Apr 10 18:30:15 * lcuk watches bablyon 5 Apr 10 18:30:30 * lcuk also kicks z4chh and tangles more of his wires Apr 10 18:31:31 back Apr 10 18:32:10 Stskeeps: same error XP Apr 10 18:38:02 OI Apr 10 19:01:51 Nice Cortex phones on the horizon, too bad they all have crippling faults. Apr 10 19:02:23 unflashable? :) Apr 10 19:02:37 Well, the Pre is Sprint and CDMA Apr 10 19:02:48 The OmniaHD is TouchWiz and probably unaffordable Apr 10 19:03:13 omniahd? is that an upgrade to plain omnia? Apr 10 19:03:32 * ShadowJK vaguely recalls omnia had a huge ad campaign Apr 10 19:03:39 S60 5th with a Cortex A8 Apr 10 19:03:42 i8910 Apr 10 19:03:45 well, huge in the sense that it was able to be visible to me, which is pretty damn ahrd Apr 10 19:15:21 yeah the omnia hd is a lot nicer than the omnia Apr 10 19:20:15 Isn't the Omnia WinMob? Apr 10 19:23:40 GeneralAntilles, omnia is WinMob, the hd version is S60 ? Apr 10 19:23:53 VDVsx, yeah, I believe so. Apr 10 19:24:02 ohh Apr 10 19:24:10 http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/samsung_acme_i8910_1-480x360.jpg Apr 10 19:24:44 It looks like a really nice phone, but I know I wont be able to afford it unlocked and it really is starting to infringe on tablet territory. Apr 10 19:27:24 ah ok, didn't notice this change: "We've received official word from Samsung that the S60-based superphone will be "selectively" renamed to "i8910 HD" in some countries " Apr 10 19:29:29 GeneralAntilles, still searching for a new phone ? Apr 10 19:30:33 I'm currently sticking with e90, I'm mostly happy with it Apr 10 19:30:43 slideout qwerty linux phone would be great, none exists :( Apr 10 19:32:00 I have a 6110 nav, but I only use the basic phones features :) Apr 10 19:32:54 I thought it was amusing that the openmoko ceo said freerunner misses calls but it's fine for making outgoing, that always works Apr 10 19:33:24 when on the same day I couldn't make outgoing call with my Nokia phone until I drove outside 3G coverage :P Apr 10 19:33:38 lol Apr 10 19:34:18 VDVsx, sort of. Apr 10 19:34:27 * VDVsx also have a 5800 xm, but only use it for his master research :) Apr 10 19:34:28 I may wait for a tablet announcement at this point, though. Apr 10 19:35:34 oh stranger still, it did packet data just fine Apr 10 19:36:10 but I didn't have my voip details setup on it :( Apr 10 20:53:48 * Stskeeps yawns Apr 10 21:16:32 VDVsx, you around? Apr 10 21:17:01 lcuk, yup Apr 10 23:01:05 qwerty12_N800, where abouts in the fremantle alpha are the icons? Apr 10 23:01:27 Same place as Diablo Apr 10 23:01:30 /usr/share/icons? Apr 10 23:01:38 There's also a package puttering about in the repo. Apr 10 23:02:15 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/non-free/o/osso-icons/ Apr 10 23:02:20 im lost in a silly folder tree: Apr 10 23:02:25 like this /scratchbox/device_tools/gdb-6.8/ Apr 10 23:02:32 ah, Apr 10 23:02:53 thanks though, thats prob easier Apr 10 23:03:15 is that basically all the icons used in the entire theme and stuff? Apr 10 23:03:15 /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/share/icons Apr 10 23:03:47 theme specific gfx are inside the theme pkg Apr 10 23:04:24 ill just copy of the whole icons folder for now Apr 10 23:04:46 thanks :D im just having a play with some of the ui "real" ui bits for the config dialogs Apr 10 23:06:15 qwerty12: midori is not installable because of missing libidn11 Apr 10 23:06:30 GeneralAntilles, ive been having some fun the last couple of weeks with this lot, ive just made this big thing: http://liqbase.net/holymoly.png Apr 10 23:07:26 lol Apr 10 23:07:58 http://liqbase.net/fish_800_480.jpg im thinking of having a new background Apr 10 23:08:06 mikkov_: bollocks >.<, I'd thought I'd promoted the required deps. (I can't remember specifying libidn as a Build-Dep anywhere...). Thanks for the heads up, I'll sort it in the morning :) Apr 10 23:11:03 has any application for maemo been written to automatically post into an itt thread? Apr 10 23:11:15 just noticed that crawl is missing a library too... Apr 10 23:12:10 lcuk: spammer bot that can go anywhere? Apr 10 23:12:20 lcuk, please, itT already has enough spam problems as it is ;) Apr 10 23:12:29 ds3, thinking of the "show off your desktop" thread Apr 10 23:13:02 liqbase can already upload things to my server, im just pondering making it upload things to itt ;) Apr 10 23:22:28 lcuk, sure, but we'll have to dock you 500 karma points. :P Apr 10 23:23:18 thats ok, my Thanksbot will soon make up for that :P Apr 11 00:04:25 Stskeeps, Blueman isn't even a good answer. :\ Apr 11 00:15:06 GeneralAntilles: well if hildonized.. Apr 11 00:16:14 Stskeeps, right now I can't get it to work at all. Apr 11 00:16:58 mm Apr 11 02:55:18 how odd Apr 11 02:55:28 zak:Downloads zak$ sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Apr 11 02:55:28 sudo: unable to execute ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable Apr 11 02:59:50 It's corrupted Apr 11 02:59:55 Safari likes to do that sometimes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 11 02:59:57 2009