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Apr 11 03:00:17 <zakkm> dang
Apr 11 03:00:31 <zakkm> its weird, saved as attachment *RX- ...
Apr 11 03:01:12 <zakkm> woooh 2007OS, turned out running 770flasher program made it work .. weird
Apr 11 03:01:48 <zakkm> this is for fun, i got everything on my SD card.. ( cloned to sd )
Apr 11 03:01:50 <GeneralAntilles> 770Flasher bundles its own copy.
Apr 11 03:02:13 <zakkm> of flasher?
Apr 11 03:02:20 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Apr 11 03:02:23 <zakkm> oh
Apr 11 03:03:11 <zakkm> what the
Apr 11 03:03:16 <zakkm> no connections avaliable, for wifi?
Apr 11 03:04:09 <zakkm> lol 2007OS has more brightness levels than diablo
Apr 11 03:07:40 <GeneralAntilles> You're not using Advanced Backlight?
Apr 11 03:07:43 <matt___> I'm looking for a "bash" command that will do the same as clear for my nokian810. I want to clear stuff.
Apr 11 03:07:48 <matt___> in terminal I mean.
Apr 11 03:07:51 <zakkm> i am, its just funny the default
Apr 11 03:08:03 <GeneralAntilles> OS2008 forgot about the N800
Apr 11 03:08:12 <GeneralAntilles> and the N810 has a light sensor to help with brightness.
Apr 11 03:08:35 <zakkm> ah
Apr 11 03:08:38 <zakkm> i dont find this any slower?
Apr 11 03:08:58 <GeneralAntilles> It's a fresh system
Apr 11 03:09:03 <zakkm> im sure if i run normal apps, it will change though
Apr 11 03:09:15 <GeneralAntilles> Fresh systems are always faster than ones bogged down by 50 suspect packages.
Apr 11 03:09:15 <zakkm> its linux, thats not suppose to happen
Apr 11 03:09:34 <zakkm> 2007 repository still strong?
Apr 11 03:09:39 <GeneralAntilles> Says who?
Apr 11 03:10:02 <GeneralAntilles> What Linux says is that you don't need to reboot every day to keep it running decently
Apr 11 03:10:04 <zakkm> not like package adding, i just meant stable wise and such
Apr 11 03:10:07 <zakkm> it still works and all?
Apr 11 03:10:14 <zakkm> you just restart X :)
Apr 11 03:10:42 <zakkm> but windows does indeed get bloated overtime, what bloats linux over time
Apr 11 03:12:03 <matt___> in terminal, how can I clear the screen?
Apr 11 03:12:34 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: is the battery life lower in 770?
Apr 11 03:12:45 <zakkm> like noticeably?
Apr 11 03:12:55 <GeneralAntilles> 770 doesn't implement a lot of the powersaving features that are available on OS2008.
Apr 11 03:13:11 <zakkm> oh sorry i meant 2007OS
Apr 11 03:13:14 <GeneralAntilles> matt___, I don't know if there's a way by default.
Apr 11 03:13:21 <zakkm> not 770 nokia
Apr 11 03:13:30 <zakkm> matt_ clr
Apr 11 03:13:30 <Proteous> type clear?
Apr 11 03:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, OS2007 doesn't implement cpufreq or anything like that.
Apr 11 03:13:40 <zakkm> dang
Apr 11 03:13:42 <GeneralAntilles> Proteous, don't think that's bundled with Busybox
Apr 11 03:13:47 <Proteous> hmm
Apr 11 03:13:55 <zakkm> would i still get an alright battery life?
Apr 11 03:14:06 <zakkm> i want to stick with 2007 heh
Apr 11 03:14:14 <zakkm> and then jump to mer, when i think its ready
Apr 11 03:14:35 <Proteous> press enter like 20 times?
Apr 11 03:14:39 <fireun> at some point... when ever that is
Apr 11 03:14:39 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007 sucks.
Apr 11 03:14:50 <zakkm> why?
Apr 11 03:15:11 <zakkm> for what i do, i dont think its bad
Apr 11 03:15:30 <GeneralAntilles> It's slower, the software is old and buggy, and it has a lot fewer features.
Apr 11 03:16:03 <zakkm> battery life will annoy me
Apr 11 03:16:14 <zakkm> old and buggy, i havent had a crash yet, or seen a crash much in maemo at all
Apr 11 03:16:21 <zakkm> only way is if you check logs ;p
Apr 11 03:16:33 <zakkm> whats mistral?
Apr 11 03:16:41 <zakkm> is that safe to use on 2007os?
Apr 11 03:17:04 <GeneralAntilles> OS2006
Apr 11 03:17:09 <GeneralAntilles> Not API-compatible.
Apr 11 03:17:36 <zakkm> its in gronmayers 2007OS repo list
Apr 11 03:17:37 <fireun> hah, michael j fox did a cameo on rescue me, bitchin.
Apr 11 03:17:58 <fireun> zakkm: are you still arguing os choice?
Apr 11 03:18:03 <zakkm> ahh can os2007 be cloned to SD?
Apr 11 03:18:16 <fireun> guys, let it go - run whatever works for ya, until you run something else.
Apr 11 03:18:43 <zakkm> fireun : no ive decided on 2007 , and then im going to jump to mer.. but i havent used 2007 in soo long, so i m asking GA for help, as im doing stuff
Apr 11 03:19:08 <fireun> doesnt look like you're getting the help you're looking for... (:
Apr 11 03:19:18 <zakkm> yeah i am?
Apr 11 03:19:21 <fireun> GeneralAntilles: nothing personal (:
Apr 11 03:19:30 <zakkm> "is that safe for 2007os" "OS 2006 , not api-compatible "
Apr 11 03:19:42 <fireun> zakkm: ok, as you were then.
Apr 11 03:19:55 <zakkm> "would i get a alright battery" " 2007 doesnt implement alot of powersaving features that are avaliable on os2008"
Apr 11 03:20:16 <zakkm> fireun: whats your favourite?
Apr 11 03:20:20 <zakkm> by UI that is
Apr 11 03:20:23 <zakkm> UI / look
Apr 11 03:20:29 <zakkm> not talknig speed or anything
Apr 11 03:20:39 <zakkm> on the nokia, whats your favourite UI
Apr 11 03:21:02 <fireun> fireun: OS de jur
Apr 11 03:21:15 <fireun> er
Apr 11 03:21:24 <zakkm> ?
Apr 11 03:21:30 <fireun> zakkm: 2007 for stability, 2008 for wizbang
Apr 11 03:21:30 <zakkm> OS er jur?
Apr 11 03:21:38 <zakkm> wizbang?
Apr 11 03:21:46 <zakkm> i was counting mer ui, ubuntu ui , e17 one and all
Apr 11 03:21:47 <fireun> but 2008 sucks battery unless I manually select offline mode when I put the shell back on
Apr 11 03:21:50 <GeneralAntilles> fireun, 770 != N800
Apr 11 03:22:00 <fireun> GeneralAntilles: ?
Apr 11 03:22:04 <GeneralAntilles> OS2008 is more stable than OS2007 on OMAP2 hardware
Apr 11 03:22:19 <zakkm> i personaly think the 770 looks better than the n800.
Apr 11 03:22:23 <zakkm> the actual tablet
Apr 11 03:22:31 <zakkm> and the n810 beats them both
Apr 11 03:22:42 <fireun> I'll be aiming to try mer, but at this point want android compatibility for the future app selection
Apr 11 03:22:52 <fireun> so, hard to say until I try em all out
Apr 11 03:23:05 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: would a repo for basic games be alright if its mistral?
Apr 11 03:23:07 <fireun> I like the shell of the 770
Apr 11 03:23:12 <zakkm> just battlegweled and stuff
Apr 11 03:23:28 <zakkm> ahhh
Apr 11 03:23:32 <zakkm> android , i didnt think of that
Apr 11 03:24:06 <GeneralAntilles> It's not API-compatible.
Apr 11 03:24:09 <zakkm> is it possible to update 2007OS browser?
Apr 11 03:24:16 <zakkm> so it wont work at all?
Apr 11 03:24:33 <zakkm> im not going to be developing for it, it must be in 2007OS choices for a reason wouldnt it?
Apr 11 03:24:52 <zakkm> i love adding all repos
Apr 11 03:24:53 <fireun> GeneralAntilles: well whats the point then?
Apr 11 03:24:57 <zakkm> and then going through all the packages :)
Apr 11 03:25:32 <zakkm> does anyone use claw-mail on nokia?
Apr 11 03:26:49 <fireun> seriously, wtf, why wouldnt nitroid be api compatible with android? you lose the whole point otherwise
Apr 11 03:27:16 <fireun> gah.
Apr 11 03:27:17 <zakkm> i think he was talking about mistral and me adding repo, not android
Apr 11 03:27:37 <fireun> lets hope so.
Apr 11 03:28:12 <zakkm> nitdroid would of been good if it had sound and dsp :p
Apr 11 03:28:21 <zakkm> proper onscreen keyboard too
Apr 11 03:28:25 <zakkm> fireun: what tablet you own?
Apr 11 03:29:20 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: When i select side menu , theres a weird constant delay, is that cpu related or is there a delay field in gconf?
Apr 11 03:37:53 <GeneralAntilles> CPU
Apr 11 03:40:04 <fireun> Connecticut public university?
Apr 11 03:41:07 <zakkm> wow just installed theme-os06 .. they didnt look half bad
Apr 11 03:42:36 <fireun> Chaos Prorogation Uncertainty?
Apr 11 03:44:11 <zakkm> hey GeneralAntilles: do you know how i can view my iCal calendar on nokia?
Apr 11 04:38:39 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: This is so perfect :)
Apr 11 05:02:25 <RST38h> moo all
Apr 11 05:03:32 <zakkm> RST38h: isnt 2007OS awesome? :)
Apr 11 05:05:55 <RST38h> zakkm: How would I know? Running OS2008 here
Apr 11 05:06:07 <zakkm> i downgraded :)
Apr 11 05:44:06 <thux> morning
Apr 11 05:44:17 <Lanza> morning
Apr 11 05:44:42 <zakkm> morning
Apr 11 06:04:37 <zakkm> when i enter my user and password in opera ( 2007OS) it says scope "this page only" .. whats scope?
Apr 11 06:05:00 <Proteous> damn, you've discovered my password stealing script
Apr 11 06:05:05 <Proteous> new I should have done more testing
Apr 11 06:05:19 <Proteous> just means what pages it will autofill that password on
Apr 11 06:27:52 <zakkm> Proteous: oh sweet, thanks
Apr 11 06:46:37 <konttori_> has anyone tried making a music player on top of MAFW yet?
Apr 11 06:47:03 <Macer> SunOS alicia 5.11 NexentaOS_20081207 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
Apr 11 06:47:15 <Macer> sorry
Apr 11 07:00:54 <thux> sometimes mediaplayer sayz stream not supported sometimes it just plays it? (yle arena wmv)
Apr 11 07:01:59 <thux> is there a mplayer plugin for microb browser?
Apr 11 07:03:00 <zakkm> thux: never seen it/heard of one for microb
Apr 11 07:03:17 <zakkm> thux: you google'd ?
Apr 11 07:03:44 <zakkm> thux: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17715 <-- what you want
Apr 11 07:16:34 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, no, but I bet you'd get more bites if you shipped out some sneaky peak hardware. ;)
Apr 11 07:17:06 <konttori_> GeneralAntilles: oh, I was just planning to convert ukmp today to use mafw for playback
Apr 11 07:17:19 <konttori_> and just wondered if anyone had tried it for playback use
Apr 11 07:17:57 <Pavlov> heh
Apr 11 07:36:32 <lcuk> mornin konttori_ \o
Apr 11 07:36:59 <konttori_> lcuk: morning
Apr 11 07:37:17 <konttori_> I'm just uploading 'last diablo version' of ukmp
Apr 11 07:37:28 <konttori_> and then moving to convert ukmp to use tracker and mafw.
Apr 11 07:37:50 <Stskeeps> sounds like a sane decision
Apr 11 07:38:03 <konttori_> I already tested ukmp last week on the device. Onl needed to fix about 10 lines to get it working in fremantle
Apr 11 07:38:09 <konttori_> but music playback was not working
Apr 11 07:38:21 <konttori_> as fremantle does not have the osso-media-server
Apr 11 07:38:26 <lcuk> seems reasonable to me :D
Apr 11 07:39:11 <lcuk> are you still locked into rotated oreintation?
Apr 11 07:39:17 <lcuk> +correct spelling
Apr 11 07:40:04 <konttori_> lcuk: yeah.
Apr 11 07:40:42 <konttori_> well, I haven't updated ukmp lately at all, except to fix that it now uses osso-media-server so that playback quality is a bit better than with just direct playbin call
Apr 11 07:41:25 <konttori_> but the diablo autobuilder is not working atm
Apr 11 07:41:27 <konttori_> :(
Apr 11 07:41:27 <lcuk> playback quality itself improves? :D
Apr 11 07:41:46 <lcuk> super library to the rescue!
Apr 11 07:41:54 <konttori_> well, osso-media-server seems to have 'optimal' settings
Apr 11 07:42:09 <lcuk> check qwerty isnt building something lol
Apr 11 07:42:10 <konttori_> and I don't really have the patience to find out the optimal settings.
Apr 11 07:42:18 <lcuk> agreed there
Apr 11 07:42:21 <lcuk> has the snow gone yet
Apr 11 07:42:32 <konttori_> ah. mtdos was building in diablo queue
Apr 11 07:42:45 <konttori_> lcuk: yeah. snow is totally gone
Apr 11 07:43:17 <lcuk> good, maybe now england will start to get warmer too !
Apr 11 07:44:38 * lcuk still doesnt know why hes awake so early
Apr 11 07:48:18 <konttori_> lcuk: have you been working on clutter yet?
Apr 11 07:48:43 <konttori_> I'm kind of pondering whether I would do my next project on pyclutter, or on qgraphicsview.
Apr 11 07:48:52 <konttori_> and as c++ app or as python app.
Apr 11 07:57:49 <thux> zakkm: thanks
Apr 11 07:58:01 <zakkm> thux: your welcome :)!
Apr 11 07:58:19 <zakkm> thux: google is your friend,  i googled mplayer-plugin maemo. and it was the first link.
Apr 11 07:59:01 <lcuk> konttori_, c++ is a lovely language, if used right, you should gain nice access to the qt libraries as well ;)
Apr 11 07:59:42 <lcuk> mornin qwerty12 \o
Apr 11 07:59:50 <qwerty12> ello lcuk
Apr 11 07:59:55 <thux> yeah should ask google first :)
Apr 11 08:00:28 <lcuk> you havin a lazy day today qwerty or are you upto stuff
Apr 11 08:00:48 * lcuk is gonna eat lots of chocolate and put up with people fixing his roof
Apr 11 08:01:09 <qwerty12> No, finally packaging the installer I'd made for stskeeps for a battery monitor
Apr 11 08:01:46 <lcuk> kc battery mon?
Apr 11 08:02:00 <lcuk> or the one you found but needed a tweak from
Apr 11 08:03:21 <qwerty12> Nah, the one that requires a closed source component :)
Apr 11 08:03:31 <lcuk> oo
Apr 11 08:03:34 <aquatix> good moaning
Apr 11 08:03:46 <Stskeeps> morning aquatix
Apr 11 08:36:40 * lcukx41 hears banging on the roof :O
Apr 11 08:36:52 <GeneralAntilles> Roof repair is the worst.
Apr 11 08:37:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's like you're living in an aquarium or something.
Apr 11 08:37:17 <lcuk> yes!
Apr 11 08:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> People crawling past the windows outside
Apr 11 08:37:38 <lcuk> get that anyway downstairs lol
Apr 11 08:37:39 <GeneralAntilles> Walking, pounding, and tapping on the roof all day.
Apr 11 08:38:07 <lcuk> most shocking we had was at work one day (3rd floor)  suddenly someone appeared at my window
Apr 11 08:38:10 <lcuk> i almost shat myself
Apr 11 08:38:30 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 11 08:39:29 <RST38h> Sounds like a typical day in our building
Apr 11 08:39:54 <RST38h> Except here they seemingly use dentist drills on the walls
Apr 11 08:44:33 <aquatix> lcuk: so since then, you don't watch pr0n at work anymore?
Apr 11 08:46:54 <lcuk> lol
Apr 11 08:52:46 <zakkm> omg
Apr 11 08:53:09 <zakkm> the new terminator ep, theres someone in it that looks like someone i knew from work not more than a month ago
Apr 11 08:56:47 <aquatix> zakkm: haha
Apr 11 08:56:59 <aquatix> always fun those lookalikes
Apr 11 08:57:13 <aquatix> i sometimes have it the other way around
Apr 11 08:57:32 <aquatix> that i see someone on the street and i think `hey i know that guy! oh wait, from $series...'
Apr 11 08:57:53 <zakkm> its weird cause she just changed her hair color
Apr 11 08:58:01 <zakkm> but soo identical, i really think its her
Apr 11 08:58:58 <zakkm> aquatix: not even a lookalike, its an extra
Apr 11 08:59:10 <zakkm> like 2min for just this particular episode
Apr 11 08:59:33 <aquatix> heh :)
Apr 11 09:00:02 <aquatix> an ex colleague of mine sometimes figures in advertisments
Apr 11 09:00:06 <aquatix> even on tv
Apr 11 09:00:10 <aquatix> that's kinda weird too :)
Apr 11 09:03:59 <zakkm> heh
Apr 11 09:04:07 <zakkm> this is going to suck cause ill neve rget to ask her
Apr 11 09:04:10 <zakkm> she quit, and then i did
Apr 11 09:05:11 <RST38h> What if you start seeing people in StarTrek red shirts on the street?
Apr 11 09:05:21 <RST38h> Is it a good sign or a bad sign?
Apr 11 09:06:13 <zakkm> bad :)
Apr 11 09:07:05 <RST38h> Ah, another iPhone thread on iTT
Apr 11 09:08:14 <zakkm> lol
Apr 11 09:10:13 <lcukx41> its a good sign RST38h, as long as your wardrobe isnt overly red ;)
Apr 11 09:20:02 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea, that is what I figured
Apr 11 09:20:24 <RST38h> lcuk: Look for a mirror, check your own shirt, if it is red, RUN THE HELL AWAY while you still can
Apr 11 09:20:43 * zakkm only wears black shirts, thinks hes safe :)
Apr 11 09:20:57 <RST38h> zakkm: That makes you a Steve Jobs wannabe though
Apr 11 09:21:05 <RST38h> *Especially* if it is turtlenecks
Apr 11 09:21:10 <zakkm> I do run Mac OSX :)
Apr 11 09:21:16 <RST38h> See? Tolya
Apr 11 09:21:17 <zakkm> and am a fanboy
Apr 11 09:21:19 <RST38h> Toldya
Apr 11 09:21:34 <zakkm> and honestly, who doesnt want to be a steve jobs?
Apr 11 09:21:37 <zakkm> what kind of statement is that
Apr 11 09:21:45 <zakkm> last i checked, he had a good life
Apr 11 09:21:45 <glass> who would want to be steve jobs?
Apr 11 09:21:53 <glass> he's a douchebag
Apr 11 09:22:06 <glass> a good life just depens on your standards
Apr 11 09:22:06 <RST38h> given that the guy has got cancer, I am not sure there is a good answer to this question
Apr 11 09:22:07 <zakkm> yeah but if your him, you would change things
Apr 11 09:22:23 <glass> zakkm: if i were him, i would be him, not me in his body overnight or shit like that
Apr 11 09:22:30 <zakkm> at a later age in his life, and cancer could be cured in time
Apr 11 09:23:06 <lcukx41> its ok, im sure steve jobs is refactoring his own dna coding so he can just switch to intel or something
Apr 11 09:23:21 <RST38h> In unrelated news, anyone is interested in ATI85 source code?
Apr 11 09:23:27 <zakkm> lcukx41: whats with the x41?
Apr 11 09:23:31 <glass> whats ati85?
Apr 11 09:23:36 <zakkm> calculator
Apr 11 09:23:40 <glass> ah
Apr 11 09:23:43 <lcukx41> x41 lenovo tabletpc
Apr 11 09:23:44 <zakkm> graphing calculator model 83 .
Apr 11 09:23:49 <zakkm> 85*
Apr 11 09:23:50 <RST38h> Should I release the sources or should I use time for something more useful?
Apr 11 09:23:55 <zakkm> 83 is the main one used for school
Apr 11 09:24:14 <zakkm> RST38h: found it odd, before i went to OS2007 .. i had them all. but when updated it was only 85 , not 83?
Apr 11 09:24:14 <glass> whats different between ati-85 and ti85 then? i used to have ti85
Apr 11 09:24:15 <lcukx41> release if its not a hassle, but you are working on it
Apr 11 09:24:21 <zakkm> glass: NOTHING
Apr 11 09:24:26 <zakkm> a = artifical
Apr 11 09:24:27 <glass> 'kay then
Apr 11 09:24:29 <zakkm> artitical TI.
Apr 11 09:24:35 <zakkm> or something
Apr 11 09:24:39 <zakkm> almost real TI ?
Apr 11 09:24:45 <zakkm> glass: never seen the app?
Apr 11 09:24:55 <zakkm> its a screenshot of the calculator... with fully working buttons
Apr 11 09:25:02 <glass> zakkm: the emu? yeah, but i'm not that intrested. it's just a calculator :)
Apr 11 09:25:06 <lcukx41> RST38h: my view on source is that on the whole if its an active codebase then its less of a problem
Apr 11 09:25:36 <RST38h> lcuk: Ok, so nobody cares, in all practicality
Apr 11 09:25:40 <zakkm> RST38h: can you releaseit for OS2007?
Apr 11 09:25:52 <RST38h> zakkm: starting with 1.3, the model seleciton is done through a menu
Apr 11 09:25:54 <zakkm> what happened to TI-83 one?
Apr 11 09:26:00 <zakkm> ohhh
Apr 11 09:26:08 <zakkm> wish i knew that in class
Apr 11 09:26:09 <RST38h> zakkm: And no, I cant release it for OS2007
Apr 11 09:26:15 <zakkm> i updated im like ohh crap i gotta use a real calculator now
Apr 11 09:26:21 <RST38h> Press FullScreen button and then select ti83
Apr 11 09:26:39 <zakkm> no dependencies on OS2007?
Apr 11 09:27:05 <zakkm> why do you call it ATI85 then?
Apr 11 09:27:10 <zakkm> if its all of them, that confused me
Apr 11 09:27:15 <zakkm> TI Calculators
Apr 11 09:27:17 <zakkm> or something
Apr 11 09:27:23 <RST38h> historical
Apr 11 09:27:23 <zakkm> TiCalc
Apr 11 09:28:00 <zakkm> nice job on it too, showed it to some people they were impressed
Apr 11 09:28:17 <zakkm> im like yo check out my touchscreen graphic calculator
Apr 11 09:28:24 <zakkm> (grade 12 classes)
Apr 11 09:54:39 <lcukx41> zakkm: what did the iphonecrowd retaliate with
Apr 11 09:55:05 <lcukx41> or did a friend show you a real original ti calc :P
Apr 11 10:32:28 <astar0th> hi
Apr 11 10:33:58 <Stskeeps> hi
Apr 11 10:35:51 <astar0th> i 've receive a n810 and i've questions about it
Apr 11 10:36:41 <astar0th> i saw we can upgrade the firmware, their is many version.
Apr 11 10:37:20 <astar0th> can i safely upgrade with the 5.2008.43-7  version ?
Apr 11 10:37:31 <Stskeeps> yes, i think it's the latest one
Apr 11 10:37:57 <astar0th> ok
Apr 11 10:38:35 <astar0th> oh and i 've install the SDK
Apr 11 10:39:05 <astar0th> unfortunatelly i'm on gentoo and i've some probleme to find xephyr X server
Apr 11 10:47:13 <b0unc3> good morning
Apr 11 10:52:25 <ssvb> astar0th: google "gentoo xephyr" -> Gentoo users compile x11-base/xorg-server with USE=”kdrive”
Apr 11 10:53:18 <crazy_im1> is there already a new kernel version ported for the n810?
Apr 11 10:56:01 <Stskeeps> crazy_im1: there's a GSoC project to bring it fully up to date
Apr 11 10:56:08 <Stskeeps> well, or hopefully going to be one
Apr 11 10:59:10 <crazy_im1> hm
Apr 11 11:00:04 <crazy_im1> is a lot of uniq stuff in the kernel?
Apr 11 11:00:27 <ssvb> crazy_im1: do you have a strong urge to run a new kernel?
Apr 11 11:01:39 <crazy_im1> ssvb: just thinking about making a openwrt target for the n810
Apr 11 11:02:23 <ssvb> crazy_im1: new kernels are somewhat working, at least you can boot them to a shell
Apr 11 11:03:19 <Stskeeps> ssvb: btw, the problem with people's screens scrolling isn't a sw/X problem at least, probably a loose wire or something (mine ran into it as well)
Apr 11 11:03:22 <ssvb> crazy_im1: ensuring that they don't have new bugs, no functionality is broken and you can boot and run full maemo system is harder
Apr 11 11:08:47 <crazy_im1> hm
Apr 11 11:25:30 <lbt> hello gnuton :D
Apr 11 11:25:54 <gnuton> hei Daviid :D
Apr 11 11:26:26 <lbt> are you going to copenhagen at end May?
Apr 11 12:51:41 <matt> In the terminal on my nokia n810, please tell me there is a way I can clear the screen.
Apr 11 12:51:56 <Stskeeps> clear+?
Apr 11 12:51:57 <Stskeeps> clear
Apr 11 12:51:58 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 11 12:52:03 <matt> Stskeeps: It doesn't work for me.
Apr 11 12:52:09 <Stskeeps> eh. :P
Apr 11 12:52:36 <GnutOnMobile> lbt: no. I'll be in helsinki
Apr 11 12:52:50 <tank-man> press enter a few times :)
Apr 11 12:53:31 <matt> tank-man: You talking to me? Yeah...I'm wanting to use clear in a bash command.
Apr 11 12:54:26 <tank-man> yea i just tried "clear" not there
Apr 11 12:54:50 <matt> tank-man: I know...and I really want it to be. sudo apt-get install clear :)
Apr 11 12:56:47 <tank-man> maybe if you have a debian chroot setup, you can just copy the "clear" binary over with out any compiling
Apr 11 12:57:23 <matt> tank-man: Possibly...not sure. Could work.
Apr 11 12:58:24 <matt> tank-man: Do you think an ubuntu install would provide the right clear?
Apr 11 12:58:48 <tank-man> you have an ubuntu installed on your n810 ?\
Apr 11 12:59:04 <matt> tank-man: No no....on my server. It is i386 though, so probably not.
Apr 11 12:59:06 <aquatix> matt: or do ctrl+l
Apr 11 12:59:16 <aquatix> that's a shortcute for the `clear' command
Apr 11 12:59:39 <tank-man> im not too familiar with apt-get but maybe you can get a armel binary for clear from your ubuntu server
Apr 11 12:59:56 <matt> aquatix: Can I do that in a bash file?
Apr 11 13:00:04 <aquatix> erm
Apr 11 13:00:05 <aquatix> maybe
Apr 11 13:00:21 <aquatix> what shell do you use btw?
Apr 11 13:00:28 <aquatix> as i seem to have `clear' on ubuntu
Apr 11 13:00:30 <aquatix> in bash
Apr 11 13:00:39 <aquatix> build-in
Apr 11 13:00:49 <tank-man> if this is for a small shell script, the ugly hack is to "echo " empty lines a couple times
Apr 11 13:00:53 <matt> aquatix: I'm talking about on maemo terminal.
Apr 11 13:01:04 <matt> tank-man: True. But not what I want.
Apr 11 13:01:38 <aquatix> matt: ah, `clear' indeed doesn't work in maemo term
Apr 11 13:01:38 <aquatix> hm
Apr 11 13:01:41 <matt> aquatix: tank-man Can you check on your nokia n810 and see if you have a /usr/bin/clear , because I do, but I had to chmod +x it, and it still doesn't work.
Apr 11 13:02:06 <tank-man> nope
Apr 11 13:02:10 <tank-man> not there
Apr 11 13:02:15 <aquatix> and not here too
Apr 11 13:02:30 <matt> tank-man: aquatix That's odd. perhaps I accidently copied before I copied :)
Apr 11 13:02:54 <aquatix> maybe you can put ^l in the script
Apr 11 13:02:59 <aquatix> not sure that works though
Apr 11 13:03:15 <aquatix> or type a ctrl+v+ctrl+l or something
Apr 11 13:03:32 <matt> aquatix: dunno, probably not, but does ctrl+l work in n810?
Apr 11 13:03:42 <aquatix> yep
Apr 11 13:03:48 <tank-man> ctl+l works for me
Apr 11 13:03:59 <matt> so what does it do?
Apr 11 13:04:11 <aquatix> what it should  do, clear the terminal :)
Apr 11 13:04:12 <matt> aquatix: tank-man I mean, it is just a substitute for the full command isn't it?
Apr 11 13:04:30 <tank-man> or ctrl+l could be the terminal emulator im using (konsole on my desktop)
Apr 11 13:04:33 <aquatix> yeah, except that the `clear' command isn't found, but ctrl+l works
Apr 11 13:04:42 <aquatix> this is on the device itself
Apr 11 13:04:50 <matt> aquatix: I'm just suggesting that perhaps it is something other than clear.
Apr 11 13:04:57 <matt> lets see if it works over ssh.
Apr 11 13:05:12 <matt> yes, i was on my desktop ssh'd into my nokia, and it worked.
Apr 11 13:07:19 <aquatix> cls or whatever doesn't seem to work too
Apr 11 13:07:53 <Stskeeps> busyboxism probably
Apr 11 13:08:01 <matt> aquatix: I know, but the fact that ctl+l works makes me think I can get it to work.
Apr 11 13:08:26 <Stskeeps> just do what clear does :P
Apr 11 13:08:39 <matt> Stskeeps: What?
Apr 11 13:10:50 <Stskeeps> as in, busybox not having 'clear'
Apr 11 13:11:47 <matt> Stskeeps: Well do you know what I can do about it?
Apr 11 13:12:51 <Stskeeps> curs_clear could probably be a way, through curses
Apr 11 13:13:44 <matt> Stskeeps: not found.
Apr 11 13:14:01 <Stskeeps> yeah, but i was talking of a C function :P
Apr 11 13:14:21 <matt> Stskeeps: I don't quite follow.
Apr 11 13:14:25 <Stskeeps> nm
Apr 11 13:14:26 <Stskeeps> brb
Apr 11 13:18:16 <juergbi> matt: are you looking for something like this? echo -n -e "\033[2J\033[0;0f"
Apr 11 13:18:28 <juergbi> (terminal escape codes to clear screen and position cursor at 0, 0)
Apr 11 13:18:53 <aquatix> juergbi: that looks useful
Apr 11 13:27:10 <lcuk> VDVsx, how many hours away is the meeting, im shit with clocks and mine keep varying between +-2hours
Apr 11 13:29:45 <matt> juergbi: I love you. I could techincally create a bash script with that in it and then name it as "clear" and place it in /usr/bin/ couldn't i?
Apr 11 13:30:56 <juergbi> mat: sure. i haven't tested it with the maemo terminal, but i don't see why it shouldn't work there
Apr 11 13:31:22 <matt> juergbi: It worked beautifully. Thanks.
Apr 11 13:32:33 <aquatix> neat
Apr 11 13:33:01 <matt> Is there a way to check the physical status of a cd tray? example, type command, it tells you whether it is opened or closed?
Apr 11 13:37:15 <tank-man> maybe "eject"
Apr 11 13:37:37 <matt> tank-man: I use eject to eject the cd's but I don't think it'll tell the status.
Apr 11 13:39:20 <tank-man> you have that eject script bound to a physical key on a keyboard ?
Apr 11 13:40:08 <matt> tank-man: No, I've written a simple bash script so I can hit 1 2 3 4 depending on whether I want to open or close scd0 or scd1
Apr 11 13:55:33 <VDVsx> lcuk, 3h 5m :)
Apr 11 13:56:40 <VDVsx> lcuk, you are in UTC+1 right ? :)
Apr 11 13:58:07 <Stskeeps> what meeting? :P
Apr 11 13:58:24 <Stskeeps> is it the copenhagen developer meeting happening this weekend that the newspapers talked about? ;p
Apr 11 13:58:42 <VDVsx> yes :) ehheeh, GSoC meeting
Apr 11 13:59:06 <Stskeeps> ah
Apr 11 14:01:31 <wazd> hello world
Apr 11 14:01:41 <RST38h> hello wazd
Apr 11 14:01:56 <Stskeeps> hello wazd
Apr 11 14:09:08 <world> hello wazd
Apr 11 14:16:46 <RST38h> Bandai's Project A.i.R. is a $525 blue grid that blows up
Apr 11 14:17:08 <RST38h> Mghm
Apr 11 14:35:14 <lcuk> VDVsx, thanks, 6pm my time then
Apr 11 14:36:36 <VDVsx> lcuk, Yes, I'm in the same timezone :)
Apr 11 14:37:23 <lcuk> VDVsx, ive had no end of conflicts with my clocks the last couple of weeks
Apr 11 14:38:03 <VDVsx> :)
Apr 11 14:56:57 <lbt> gnuton: yell when you're around...
Apr 11 14:58:21 <lcuk> lbt, wont he have to eat much more before he is a round?
Apr 11 14:58:44 <lbt> he's italian - he's probably oval already
Apr 11 14:59:12 <lcuk> heh
Apr 11 14:59:18 <lcuk> more than likely
Apr 11 15:00:49 <lbt> phew - just looking at how svn does branches ... scary ... especially when the source is Qt!
Apr 11 15:02:35 <lcuk> im quite impressed with git now i am using it
Apr 11 15:02:42 <lcuk> i was afraid of losing updates and things
Apr 11 15:03:07 <lcuk> but knowing i do keep a complete local repo even thou i push and merge with the server is a great comfort :)
Apr 11 15:04:53 <lbt> git stash
Apr 11 15:05:12 <lbt> and yes the safety it offfers is huge
Apr 11 15:11:31 * konttori_ successfully moved ukmp to use the new album art thumbnailing model as described in http://live.gnome.org/MediaArtStorageSpec
Apr 11 15:13:38 * RST38h wonders if he should try UKMP
Apr 11 15:15:14 <RST38h> Osso Player is too dumb, Canola too heavy, MediaBox too buggy
Apr 11 15:15:55 <aquatix> RST38h: well, just try :)
Apr 11 15:15:59 <aquatix> it's only 600KB
Apr 11 15:18:12 <lcuk> RST38h, you should, its another portrait app :)
Apr 11 15:21:22 <konttori_> RST38h: well, you can try it out. I just updated the diablo version
Apr 11 15:21:59 <konttori_> I modified it to do the portrait app to see how nicely portrait works for music player type of cases, where you have long lists
Apr 11 15:23:14 <konttori_> scanlining looks a bit bad in the 'old' devices (except 770) when portrait mode is used
Apr 11 15:23:29 <konttori_> on the bright side, it's not an issue in the 'new' devices.
Apr 11 15:23:38 <konttori_> or so I'm guessing...
Apr 11 15:25:24 <aquatix> it scanlines a bit while scrolling album art
Apr 11 15:25:29 <konttori_> yeah
Apr 11 15:25:34 <aquatix> quite a bit
Apr 11 15:25:36 <aquatix> on n810
Apr 11 15:25:51 <konttori_> yeah. on 770 it's better
Apr 11 15:42:12 <disco_stu> hi
Apr 11 15:42:52 <disco_stu> is there rotation for 43-7?
Apr 11 15:43:33 <RST38h> konttori: you are using dbus to send commands to osso media player or mplayer?
Apr 11 15:48:38 <konttori_> RST38h: in diablo?
Apr 11 15:48:40 <konttori_> yeah.
Apr 11 15:48:55 <konttori_> I'm calling osso-media-serv to playback music
Apr 11 15:49:01 <konttori_> (on the latest version 1.86)
Apr 11 15:49:15 <RST38h> then it will have the same sync problems as the other python based players =(
Apr 11 15:49:17 <konttori_> on all previous versions it has been calling gst directly
Apr 11 15:49:24 <konttori_> RST38h: what problems?
Apr 11 15:49:37 <konttori_> I switched to osso-media so that there would be no problems
Apr 11 15:49:46 <RST38h> konttori: playback getting stuck in play mode, even after the player is quit
Apr 11 15:50:06 <konttori_> RST38h: Um. Hmm... I think I stop playing when I quit.
Apr 11 15:50:15 <RST38h> konttori: So does the MediaBox guy
Apr 11 15:50:16 <konttori_> it's just a matter of calling stop() before quitting
Apr 11 15:50:31 <RST38h> Only, apparently, not all dbus messages come through and get handled by the player
Apr 11 15:50:42 <konttori_> ah. crap.
Apr 11 15:50:57 <RST38h> Canola guys have got even more problems wit mplayer
Apr 11 15:51:21 <konttori_> really? mplayer rocks and it's rock solid. why would you have probs with it?
Apr 11 15:51:39 <RST38h> Well, try playing a file or a stream, then switching to a different screen
Apr 11 15:51:51 <RST38h> Quite often, it will continue showing mplayer overlay
Apr 11 15:52:17 <RST38h> If you do play.pause multiple times on a stream, it will usually get stuck in some state where the stream is not playing but canola thinks it is
Apr 11 15:57:09 <pcdso1> Can I install os2007 applications on os2008?
Apr 11 16:01:18 <tank-man> pcdso1, sure but problems can happen
Apr 11 16:04:44 <ShadowJK> corruption when switching window in mplayer can be fixed by using vo xv instead of omapfb
Apr 11 16:05:50 <pcdso1> thanks tank-man
Apr 11 16:06:43 <konttori_> Hmm.. looks like pygame in fremantle is not able to open png or jpg images.
Apr 11 16:06:46 <konttori_> odd
Apr 11 16:07:31 <RST38h> Shadow: It is not corruption. Mplayer continues playing
Apr 11 16:07:41 <lcuk> konttori_, thats a bit of a shitter
Apr 11 16:07:45 <RST38h> Shadow: It is basically not getting a message from Canola to stop
Apr 11 16:08:25 <konttori_> lcuk: it was able to do that some days ago when I tested ukmp on the device
Apr 11 16:09:00 <lcuk> perhaps its a different issue then? location of media or path specified not correct?
Apr 11 16:09:11 <lcuk> or a bad regression bug
Apr 11 16:09:21 <lcuk> "error removed media loading capabilities"
Apr 11 16:09:22 <RST38h> ah shit, this laptop no longer allows me to set 320x240 screen mode
Apr 11 16:12:40 <ds3> 9
Apr 11 16:12:45 <Stskeeps> 10
Apr 11 16:18:16 <lcuk> why cant i make my n810 do wake on lan
Apr 11 16:19:15 <qwerty12> I was gonna say that it's probably easier to make your router do it but then I remembered.
Apr 11 16:19:51 <lbt> lcuk: do you mean send a WoL ?
Apr 11 16:20:09 <tank-man> wake on lan is old, the future is mind reading devices like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKd_AJUUT7Q
Apr 11 16:20:14 <Stskeeps> lcuk: receive is bloody difficult. send is easier
Apr 11 16:20:15 <lcuk> heh no, i mean wake my n810 up when i need it over the network
Apr 11 16:20:38 <lbt> you need the mouse-trap game
Apr 11 16:20:42 * lcuk DOES understand the difficulties with implemtning such a thing over wifi
Apr 11 16:21:21 <lbt> my GPS device does wake-on-bluetooth... wonder if that's easier?
Apr 11 16:21:24 <lcuk> :D robot computer - get an old desktop opening and closing its drawer as required
Apr 11 16:21:29 <tank-man> mouse trap setup lol
Apr 11 16:21:33 <lcuk> possibly
Apr 11 16:21:38 <lcuk> thats quite a good feature lbt
Apr 11 16:22:07 <tank-man> my gps wakes on bt too if its not in logging mode
Apr 11 16:23:25 <lbt> 747?
Apr 11 16:24:13 <tank-man> qstarz bt-q 1000
Apr 11 17:27:56 <konttori_> who is handling the python packages in fremantle?
Apr 11 17:28:33 <Stskeeps> anderson lizardo, openbossa
Apr 11 17:28:39 <Stskeeps> (at indt), i think
Apr 11 17:28:50 <konttori_> Wed Apr 8 15:34:04 EEST 2009 was integrated to fremantle a version of pygame that doesn't support png images.
Apr 11 17:29:06 <konttori_> ok, thanks.
Apr 11 17:29:52 <konttori_> andrei1089: sorry, wrong channel: are you handling python packages in maemo?
Apr 11 17:30:03 <konttori_> (see above)
Apr 11 17:33:20 <konttori_> pygame.image.get_extended returns False
Apr 11 17:36:41 <edbartosh> VDVsx: hi, have I missed GSoC meeting?
Apr 11 17:43:50 <RST38h> konttori: libgif is way more convenient than libpng =)
Apr 11 17:46:26 <konttori_> RST38h: lol. Anyway, I copied diablo version of pygame to the fremantle and it worked just fine
Apr 11 17:46:37 <konttori_> (even on the device)
Apr 11 17:47:11 <RST38h> hehe
Apr 11 17:47:16 <RST38h> what device???
Apr 11 17:47:32 <RST38h> please, elaborate starting from this point =0
Apr 11 17:48:00 <Stskeeps> the day even RST38h started being intensely curious about next device :>
Apr 11 17:50:11 <RST38h> Curiosity killed the cat (i.e. you have to be curious *sneakely*(
Apr 11 17:56:32 * konttori_ would really like to comment more, but alas, cannot. 
Apr 11 17:56:50 <RST38h> translation: it is NOT a Beagle board
Apr 11 17:57:03 <konttori_> oh, definitely not.
Apr 11 17:57:16 <konttori_> however, that would also be nice to have.
Apr 11 17:58:00 <konttori_> although, I would probably rather have the nvidia chipset that is capable of fullhd so that I could jack that to my video projector to serve as a media center.
Apr 11 17:58:56 <RST38h> you will still have problems decoding
Apr 11 18:00:01 <konttori_> well, with hardware decoder, that should not be an issue
Apr 11 18:00:21 <RST38h> given the current zoo of video encoding formats, the only thing that guarantees decent playback is a fast general purpose cpu
Apr 11 18:00:28 <ShadowJK> :)
Apr 11 18:00:53 <RST38h> (NOT an Atom :))
Apr 11 18:01:12 <ShadowJK> My atom almost does 1080p h264 :)
Apr 11 18:01:18 <ShadowJK> but almost doesn't count :)
Apr 11 18:01:27 <konttori_> RST38h: hmmpph. I'm not entirely sure about that. DSPs these days have really good support for stream decoding. software only has to jack out the container stuff.
Apr 11 18:01:29 <ShadowJK> (dualcore version of atom)
Apr 11 18:01:40 * RST38h knows that his 2.4GHz P4 does not do 1080p well
Apr 11 18:01:51 <konttori_> inside, content tends to be in only a handful of codeks (and their few variants)
Apr 11 18:02:02 <RST38h> konttori: the latter is not true unfortunately
Apr 11 18:02:09 <ShadowJK> Yeah, mplayer with nvidia's vdpau in linux plays practically all formats of h264
Apr 11 18:02:21 <RST38h> konttori: you would be surprised to see what goes around in our communal net
Apr 11 18:02:42 * konttori_ has no idea what goes on in there
Apr 11 18:02:49 * RST38h especially hates Matroska 
Apr 11 18:03:03 <konttori_> and has only a few times cursed that his 360 does not support mkv
Apr 11 18:03:09 <RST38h> Whoever came up with this crappy container format has to be crucified
Apr 11 18:03:10 <ShadowJK> matroska isn't a codec
Apr 11 18:03:22 <RST38h> Shadow: Who cares? You still need to decode it during playback
Apr 11 18:03:27 <konttori_> but, mkv internally usually has h264 of mp4
Apr 11 18:03:38 <ShadowJK> Yeah what konttori says
Apr 11 18:03:38 <konttori_> RST38h: you don't need to decode mkv.
Apr 11 18:03:50 <ShadowJK> Well you do, but the overhead is minimal
Apr 11 18:03:55 <RST38h> konttori: I do, in order to get to formats it encapsulates
Apr 11 18:04:01 <konttori_> you just need to look at which point the actual stream starts and then you send that to the decoder.
Apr 11 18:04:27 <RST38h> Shadow: That is what you say. Unfortunately, the "matroska splitter" drops dframes like crazy and crashes when I try to rewind
Apr 11 18:05:01 <RST38h> + there are "open source" people encoding their audio (and sometimes video) with Ogg
Apr 11 18:05:25 <ShadowJK> Oh yeah, theora is something that probably has no hw decoder
Apr 11 18:05:35 <RST38h> May hungry penguins feast on their steaming guts...
Apr 11 18:05:41 <konttori_> yeah, probably won't have for many years to come
Apr 11 18:06:00 <ShadowJK> I will temporarily forgive matroska for all its ugly because atleast it isn't ogg
Apr 11 18:06:11 <RST38h> One is worth another
Apr 11 18:06:19 <RST38h> And I have not even got to subtitle encodings...
Apr 11 18:07:10 <RST38h> Anyways, just pointing out that specialized DSP will leave too many bases uncovered
Apr 11 18:07:16 <konttori_> mkv is the best container ever
Apr 11 18:07:28 <konttori_> (well, probably mpe7 will be better)
Apr 11 18:07:33 <konttori_> mpeg7
Apr 11 18:07:42 * RST38h glares at konttori 
Apr 11 18:08:03 <konttori_> http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/standards/mpeg-7/mpeg-7.htm
Apr 11 18:08:35 <ShadowJK> I'm not convinced mpeg is able to make a container format that isn't so complex and comittee-designed that every implementation ends up incompatible with every other implementation..
Apr 11 18:08:41 <ShadowJK> like mxf..
Apr 11 18:08:54 <RST38h> konttori: [bleah] it is XML [bleah]
Apr 11 18:09:00 <ShadowJK> mkv is xml ;-)
Apr 11 18:09:07 <ShadowJK> Kinda.
Apr 11 18:09:11 <konttori_> Shadow__X: true! I agree that it's going to be a monster (mpeg7)
Apr 11 18:09:12 * RST38h goes to the restroom NOW.
Apr 11 18:10:03 <RST38h> They should delegate standards design to Chinese.
Apr 11 18:10:48 <ShadowJK> I think mkv is going to be the most "usable" for quite some time forward, until a sufficient amount of people have both been able to obtain, and able to agree on how to read the upcoming mpeg7 spec, and agreed on a common subset of useful things, because the whole thing is probably going to be too monstrous, kinda like the whole of mpeg4 being too monstrous for anyone to ever have implemented all of it (3D facial textures anyone?)
Apr 11 18:10:55 <RST38h> Who will actually come up with a practical standard they (and everybody else) can use
Apr 11 18:11:33 <RST38h> Shadow: MKV is supported by exactly 1 (one) piece of software and even that support is crashy
Apr 11 18:11:46 <ShadowJK> RST38h, Oh yeah, that's another thing that any mainstream DSP/GPU wont do in hardware, CAVC (Chinese AVC, codec developed with more focus on CPU friendlieness than h264)
Apr 11 18:11:58 <RST38h> See?
Apr 11 18:12:10 <RST38h> Actually, Theora can be classified the same
Apr 11 18:12:55 <ShadowJK> You know, MPlayer contains two different implementations of matroska... It used to have 3, but support for using the official libmatroska was removed at some point :)
Apr 11 18:14:07 <ShadowJK> It's interesting to note that Nvidia's VDPAU GPU-decode acceleration doesn't seem to support mpeg4 ASP..
Apr 11 18:14:17 <ShadowJK> VIA's GPUs do support that iirc
Apr 11 18:18:37 <RST38h> Shadow: I have no bile left to spew, please stop! =)
Apr 11 18:22:20 <ShadowJK> RST38h, mpeg7 will probably include java and silverlight
Apr 11 18:22:56 <RST38h> aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Apr 11 18:23:19 <RST38h> And they will use XSL as splitter?
Apr 11 18:25:40 <ShadowJK> There will be 9-level deep wrapping in the form of <data format="MS PROPRIETARY" encoding="BASE64">ABADASDKJNFEWE</data>
Apr 11 18:26:30 <RST38h> yes, that is what I expected
Apr 11 18:26:39 <lbt> and the docs will say "see implementation for spec"
Apr 11 18:26:49 <RST38h> The video stream will be encoded in ASCII MIME and formatted to 65 characters per line
Apr 11 18:26:58 <GeneralAntilles> tank-man, OS2007 and OS2008 are not API compatible.
Apr 11 18:27:07 <RST38h> with XML tags around it for neatness
Apr 11 18:27:09 * ShadowJK is guessing N900 will have hw-accelerated h263, h264, mpeg4, wmv, mp3, aac
Apr 11 18:27:21 * ShadowJK wouldn't be surprised if it has bluecore7 :D
Apr 11 18:27:24 <RST38h> Shadow: who cares? better tell if it will have a dpad
Apr 11 18:27:29 <lbt> ShadowJK: congrats - you won a prize!
Apr 11 18:27:33 <Pavlov> heh
Apr 11 18:27:44 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, audio wont be accelerated.
Apr 11 18:27:51 <ShadowJK> oh :-(
Apr 11 18:27:55 <lbt> clangers
Apr 11 18:28:03 <RST38h> Gan: Ummm, why?
Apr 11 18:28:03 <GeneralAntilles> The DSP is doing video acceleration.
Apr 11 18:28:10 <ShadowJK> It can't do two things at once?
Apr 11 18:28:19 * lbt wants accelerated audio... soup dragon effect....
Apr 11 18:28:34 <GeneralAntilles> The CPU handles audio, the DSP handles video.
Apr 11 18:29:18 <ShadowJK> aw, now how am I going to decode those juicy 1080p h264 with 8 channel flac
Apr 11 18:29:26 <Pavlov> ahhah.
Apr 11 18:29:40 <GeneralAntilles> D1 is about the limit for h.264 with the DSP
Apr 11 18:29:42 <RST38h> Shadow: Get a ULV ia32
Apr 11 18:29:59 <RST38h> Shadow: the mobile version with the huge cache
Apr 11 18:44:29 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder what the potential powersaving might be decoding audio dsp-side when you're not dealing with any video.
Apr 11 18:44:49 <Pavlov> probably pretty good
Apr 11 18:45:13 <Pavlov> doing audio on the cpu is going to be expensive even if its only using 10%
Apr 11 18:46:29 <ShadowJK> heh, compare mplayer vs default player on N8x0?
Apr 11 18:46:48 <GeneralAntilles> Is it more expensive than keeping the CPU on to feed the DSP, though?
Apr 11 18:47:08 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, OMAP3's powersaving architecture is a lot different from OMAP2's.
Apr 11 19:02:11 <zakkm> lcukx41: nobody has a real TI-83, well none i showed they use the non-graphing one. and the guy thought it was cool, still prefered his ipod though
Apr 11 19:34:40 <t3chb0t> .
Apr 11 19:59:34 <lakin> So, I have a program compiling and running in the scratchbox.  Now I want to try it out on the device itself.  I had hoped that if I compiled for the ARMEL target that I could just copy the files over and run them, but no such luck.  Any tutorials on this part of the process?
Apr 11 20:00:34 <Stskeeps> that is usually the way to do it - library dependancy maybe?
Apr 11 20:02:50 <lcuk> lakin, what error is it coming up with when you copy it over
Apr 11 20:03:32 <lakin> lcuk: ha!  Got it.  couldn't chmod the excutable on the drive where I put it, switch it's location and it's working
Apr 11 20:03:32 <lakin> thanks
Apr 11 20:32:59 * RST38h FOUND A BUG!
Apr 11 20:33:04 <RST38h> In SMLAL!
Apr 11 20:34:44 <Stskeeps> smlal? :P
Apr 11 20:34:55 <Stskeeps> .. better not be anything to deal with Standard ML
Apr 11 20:36:03 <ssvb> Stskeeps: it's ARM instruction
Apr 11 20:36:09 <Stskeeps> ah
Apr 11 20:36:49 <ssvb> RST38h: a bug in emulator or in silicon or in documentation?
Apr 11 20:37:16 <RST38h> emlator, fortunately
Apr 11 20:37:33 <RST38h> Silicon would be WAY more expensive to fix :)
Apr 11 20:38:01 <ssvb> sure
Apr 11 20:38:16 <RST38h> Having said that, the bug came down to two characters in 2000+ lines of assembly, so it was almost as bad as silicon
Apr 11 21:35:47 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, any chance you could try to reduce the right click requirements in Shopper?
Apr 11 21:35:57 <GeneralAntilles> They're really obnoxious, especially since Qt doesn't seem to handle them well.
Apr 11 21:37:02 <lbt> well, Qt should do the spinny spiral thing like gtk - it's on my todo list
Apr 11 21:37:14 <lbt> but I'm also happy for UI suggestions
Apr 11 21:37:31 <lbt> right now I use it to edit/delete an item
Apr 11 21:37:42 <lbt> (which I *very* rarely do)
Apr 11 21:38:08 <lbt> how else could I do that - given I need to indicate which item needs acting on ?
Apr 11 21:38:29 <zakkm> have a right click "button" ?
Apr 11 21:38:47 <lbt> ?
Apr 11 21:39:03 <zakkm> a button that does the same "action" as right clicking ;p
Apr 11 21:39:24 <lbt> permanently on display on the UI?
Apr 11 21:39:30 <zakkm> yeah
Apr 11 21:39:39 <zakkm> so you click the item, click that then move and click whatever
Apr 11 21:39:42 <zakkm> just a thought lol
Apr 11 21:40:02 <lbt> oh, so click the trash then pick an item?
Apr 11 21:40:35 <zakkm> or that, but i was thinknig of a button that says edit
Apr 11 21:40:45 <zakkm> and you click item.. then edit.. and the edit brings up the right click on the item
Apr 11 21:40:54 <qwerty12_N800> if you only have two actions assigned to the right click, just add them as buttons next to the item
Apr 11 21:41:25 <zakkm> is dropdown menu possibly on maemo/mer?
Apr 11 21:41:41 <zakkm> nonmenu
Apr 11 21:41:47 <lbt> the main reason for gestures is that when you're wandering around the screen goes to sleep
Apr 11 21:41:51 <lbt> touching it wakes it up
Apr 11 21:41:53 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, can you fix the onscreen keyboard behavior so I don't have to edit things all the time?
Apr 11 21:42:05 <GeneralAntilles> Take a cue from the iPhone would be my suggestion as far as avoiding right click.
Apr 11 21:42:11 <lbt> and if I 'touch' the bin icon then it deletes them
Apr 11 21:42:16 <GeneralAntilles> Have a little widget for edit/delete
Apr 11 21:42:20 <GeneralAntilles> Look at how Canola does it.
Apr 11 21:42:27 <zakkm> lbt: put a "are you sure" ?
Apr 11 21:42:41 <lbt> mmm
Apr 11 21:42:58 <zakkm> should have anyways, for deleting ?
Apr 11 21:43:04 <lbt> 'cos I just love waking the screen up and having "are you sure?"  <grin>
Apr 11 21:43:05 <zakkm> unless theres undo
Apr 11 21:43:54 <lbt> no, there's "long hold" which is a very deliberate action to get the delete menu
Apr 11 21:44:04 <zakkm> why would that happen?
Apr 11 21:44:14 <zakkm> waking screen up and getting that
Apr 11 21:44:24 <zakkm> screen gets locked when it sleeps doesnt it
Apr 11 21:44:24 <lbt> :D
Apr 11 21:44:33 <zakkm> so your have to push buttons, then touchscreen works
Apr 11 21:44:38 <zakkm> so how would that happen?
Apr 11 21:44:39 <lbt> when you're wandering around the shop the screen goes to sleep
Apr 11 21:44:55 <zakkm> shopper feature or normal maemo?
Apr 11 21:45:00 <lbt> iit's dark so you don't know what you touch to wake it up
Apr 11 21:45:04 <lbt> normal
Apr 11 21:45:20 <zakkm> but it would lock touchscreen at same time, when display goes to sleep?
Apr 11 21:45:25 <zakkm> or did i set that option myself?
Apr 11 21:45:33 <lbt> and I used to find myself touching a tick box and 'selecting' an iterm
Apr 11 21:45:39 <lbt> yourself
Apr 11 21:45:45 <zakkm> oh
Apr 11 21:45:48 <zakkm> then yeah i guess
Apr 11 21:45:51 <lbt> it's a pain when you're shopping :)
Apr 11 21:46:01 <zakkm> lol
Apr 11 21:46:01 <lbt> 'cos you unlock it every 30 secs!
Apr 11 21:46:07 <lbt> yup
Apr 11 21:46:14 <zakkm> i dont go big shopping, work in a grocery store, so i pickup a few things when store is closed ;p
Apr 11 21:46:22 <zakkm> no lines, already there, ;p
Apr 11 21:46:56 <zakkm> you guys use shopper while shopping?
Apr 11 21:46:59 <lbt> fair enough - not your typical user though :)
Apr 11 21:47:04 <lbt> yes - all the time
Apr 11 21:47:19 <lbt> it's why I wrote it
Apr 11 21:48:04 <lbt> GeneralAntilles: what do you mean by the "onscreen keyboard behavior so I don't have to edit things all the time"
Apr 11 21:48:32 <zakkm> do you guys use a case for your tablet?
Apr 11 21:48:40 <zakkm> or just put it in your pocket
Apr 11 21:49:02 <lbt> I have a case that clips on my belt
Apr 11 21:49:50 <zakkm> i cant decide between nothing.. the "leather" case or this big case where you slide it in.. it covers it.. and clips it in
Apr 11 21:50:17 <zakkm> http://www.pjbox.co.uk/pics/IPOD%20CASE3.JPG <-- like this but for nokia
Apr 11 21:50:27 <lbt> I have a magnetic flap - easy to slide in/out but can't use it in the case
Apr 11 21:51:16 <zakkm> doesnt let you?
Apr 11 21:51:40 <lbt> cheapo case - covers the screen
Apr 11 21:51:47 <zakkm> heh
Apr 11 21:51:53 <zakkm> the big one i got leaves just the screen and buttons ;p
Apr 11 21:52:19 <zakkm> and power
Apr 11 21:52:21 <lcuk> i used to use my fujitsu loox case
Apr 11 21:52:34 <lcuk> it had a velcro flap that when left open stuck it inside my pocket
Apr 11 21:52:39 <lcuk> i just slid the 810 in and out
Apr 11 21:53:01 * lcuk mourns his loss
Apr 11 21:53:03 <zakkm> sounds like the leather case,  but with velcro
Apr 11 21:53:11 <zakkm> you lost it?
Apr 11 21:53:21 <zakkm> http://www.proporta.com/resizeimage.php?src=F03/i/aluleather_pocketloox720_book.jpg&w=270px&h=230px <-- thats what im using?
Apr 11 21:53:22 <lcuk> yeah, its been "misplaced" somewhere in the house
Apr 11 21:53:23 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: with the 720, I got no velcro :(
Apr 11 21:53:53 <zakkm> ohh its different on the inside, nevermind
Apr 11 21:55:13 <lcuk> a fliptop like this https://www.foneplanet.com/images/Acc/seimens/SX-1%20Belt%20Case.jpg
Apr 11 21:55:18 <zakkm> my brother got me a ipaq 3650, the case slide in, fits.. but the leather one that coems with it is nicer
Apr 11 21:55:39 <RST38h> lcuk: that is a reported attack site
Apr 11 21:55:58 <zakkm> whats a attack site?
Apr 11 21:56:14 <lcuk> rst?
Apr 11 21:56:34 <lbt> firefox tells me that too
Apr 11 21:56:35 <RST38h> foneplanet.com one
Apr 11 21:56:44 <lbt> http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Iceweasel&hl=en-GB&site=https://www.foneplanet.com/images/Acc/seimens/SX-1BeltCase.jpg
Apr 11 21:57:10 <lbt> Of the 1112 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 693 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent
Apr 11 21:57:22 <lcuk> o_O
Apr 11 21:57:29 <lbt> Over the past 90 days, foneplanet.com appeared to function as an intermediary for the infection of 1 site(s) including phone-deal.co.uk/.
Apr 11 21:57:53 <RST38h> fun!
Apr 11 21:57:57 <lbt> anyhow, thanks for the link !!
Apr 11 21:58:12 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: what do you use to encode for nokia?
Apr 11 21:58:19 <RST38h> sleep time
Apr 11 21:58:21 <GeneralAntilles> tablet-encode
Apr 11 21:58:36 <RST38h> that is mencoder, isn't it?
Apr 11 21:58:39 <zakkm> dang, it gives me some mencoder error
Apr 11 21:58:43 <lbt> you ignoring me GA?
Apr 11 21:58:49 <lbt> GeneralAntilles: what do you mean by the "onscreen keyboard behavior so I don't have to edit things all the time"
Apr 11 21:58:51 <zakkm> tried handbrake, works alright, just thinking i could do better
Apr 11 21:58:54 <lbt> <grin>
Apr 11 21:59:53 * lcuk has had that link for ages now in bookmarks (dont ask i keep all sorts)
Apr 11 22:11:48 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, sorry, elsewhere. :P
Apr 11 22:11:57 <lbt> NP
Apr 11 22:12:06 <GeneralAntilles> When I press enter to close the finger keyboard it adds a newline at the end
Apr 11 22:12:11 <GeneralAntilles> Which really messes up the item display.
Apr 11 22:12:43 <lbt> ooh - mine doesn't
Apr 11 22:13:09 <lbt> long-click .... edit
Apr 11 22:13:19 <lbt> Edit Item dialog?
Apr 11 22:14:29 * lcuk offers more links
Apr 11 22:26:42 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, new item.
Apr 11 22:27:21 <lbt> weird - I usually use the return key and have never seen that
Apr 11 22:27:36 <lbt> which Shopper version?
Apr 11 22:27:59 <GeneralAntilles> Latest I guess.
Apr 11 22:28:46 <lbt> hmmm, I'll look - it's a Qt bug anyhow...
Apr 11 22:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> 0.5.7
Apr 11 22:54:12 <matt> Ok, n810 has a webcam, right? Is there a set of tools that I can use to play around with it?
Apr 11 22:54:46 <lcuk> playaround?
Apr 11 22:55:32 <matt> lcuk: Yeah, just play around with the camera on the thing. Like, something I could stream it over http or something, so I could view it on my desktop or something.
Apr 11 22:55:49 <matt> lcuk: and then have a "security" cam wherever I placed the n810.
Apr 11 22:56:04 <Corsac> hmhm, is there an ntp daemon for maemo?
Apr 11 22:56:04 <lcuk> gtalk has video streaming
Apr 11 22:56:17 <lcuk> its based on gstreamer
Apr 11 22:56:28 <lcuk> so whatever tools are available via that should work i believe
Apr 11 22:56:30 <matt> lcuk: So I could install gtalk on the n810, and the gtalk on my desktop?
Apr 11 22:56:42 <lcuk> its the default internet call app i believe
Apr 11 22:56:46 <qwerty12_N800> corsac, openntpd in extras
Apr 11 22:56:49 <lcuk> ive only done it 810 to 810
Apr 11 22:57:25 <tank-man> matt, something like this? http://garage.maemo.org/projects/gstmjpg
Apr 11 22:57:50 <GeneralAntilles> matt, unfortunately Google doesn't implement their own codec on the GTalk client.
Apr 11 22:58:01 <matt> tank-man: I guess. But I just sorta realized I have no use for it anyways.
Apr 11 23:16:31 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, johnx.
Apr 11 23:20:32 <johnx> hey GeneralAntilles
Apr 11 23:23:40 * zakkm starts to wonder why anyone would upgrade to OS2008 diablo ;p
Apr 11 23:24:12 <zakkm> whats the worse that can happen from installing apps from diablo repo in OS2007?
Apr 11 23:24:29 <johnx> maybe a reboot loop?
Apr 11 23:24:31 <tank-man> program not work
Apr 11 23:24:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's not API compatible.
Apr 11 23:24:42 <GeneralAntilles> 70MHz is one reason.
Apr 11 23:24:49 <GeneralAntilles> Powersaving that doesn't suck is another.
Apr 11 23:25:02 <johnx> libraries not from the stone age is another
Apr 11 23:25:57 <GeneralAntilles> An application manager that works
Apr 11 23:25:58 <zakkm> i love my os2007 :)
Apr 11 23:26:01 <GeneralAntilles> a browser that works
Apr 11 23:26:05 <zakkm> ?
Apr 11 23:26:07 <GeneralAntilles> A default theme that isn't ugly as sin.
Apr 11 23:26:11 <zakkm> browser has yet to crash on me
Apr 11 23:26:17 <johnx> zakkm, good for you, but you won't find much help here :)
Apr 11 23:26:26 <GeneralAntilles> Crashing isn't the only metric for "works"
Apr 11 23:26:36 <zakkm> okay
Apr 11 23:26:45 <zakkm> i have yet to come across a problem other than being slower.
Apr 11 23:26:47 <johnx> and it's not microb vs opera it's tear vs opera :)
Apr 11 23:27:03 <zakkm> yeah i wanted to add tear repository, and try it in os2007 ;p
Apr 11 23:27:21 <johnx> spoiler alert: no way in heck it will work
Apr 11 23:27:25 <GeneralAntilles> They're not API compatible.
Apr 11 23:27:35 <GeneralAntilles> For the fortieth time.
Apr 11 23:27:41 <zakkm> lol
Apr 11 23:27:48 <zakkm> wouldnt it get the updated stuff though
Apr 11 23:27:59 <zakkm> like update its dependencies, which would update that
Apr 11 23:28:19 <johnx> let's pretend it magically got all the updates it needed: then you'd have diablo
Apr 11 23:54:40 <Macer> haha
Apr 11 23:54:54 <Macer> tear? what happened to microb?
Apr 11 23:55:13 <Macer> why do i care? i sent my n800 to sts haha
Apr 11 23:55:29 <Macer> was going to get an n810 when prices dropped
Apr 12 01:37:49 <pupnik> o/ prost
Apr 12 02:04:13 <zakkm> why cant i insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko <-- when it exists?
Apr 12 02:04:30 <zakkm> it says unknown symbol in module (-1): no such file or diretory
Apr 12 02:04:33 <GAN800> pfhbl
Apr 12 02:08:57 <t3chb0t> .
Apr 12 02:15:07 <pupnik> zakkm: happens to me when the module does not match the kernel version
Apr 12 02:15:54 <zakkm> its a newly flashed install?
Apr 12 02:15:57 <zakkm> odd
Apr 12 02:16:21 <zakkm> trying to get my OS2007 to clone to sd, but it doesnt like me ;p
Apr 12 02:21:09 <pupnik> zakkm: wasn't there something you needed to do first before that insmod?
Apr 12 02:21:14 <pupnik> i forgot the howto
Apr 12 02:21:40 <zakkm> http://examplified.net/guide/Nokia_770/Booting_from_MMC/
Apr 12 02:21:58 <zakkm> pupnik: i did number 1 to 10
Apr 12 02:22:12 <pupnik> :(
Apr 12 02:22:30 <zakkm> ?
Apr 12 02:22:51 <pupnik> i haven't done that in 14 months or so
Apr 12 02:22:57 <zakkm> me neither
Apr 12 02:22:57 <pupnik> or no - something like that
Apr 12 02:23:20 <zakkm> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 , thinking of just trying this one again, see if it will work this time
Apr 12 02:23:54 <zakkm> http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card <--- ****
Apr 12 02:24:55 <GeneralAntilles> Don't expect things on OS2007 to work.
Apr 12 02:25:26 <zakkm> its a old guide though
Apr 12 02:25:32 <zakkm> like old method
Apr 12 02:25:57 <zakkm> im not trying the new mer/fanoush bootmenu, on OS2007 for instance
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