**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 18 09:02:14 2009 Apr 18 10:26:54 hey all Apr 18 10:27:28 \o Apr 18 10:27:32 moorning aquatix, lcuk Apr 18 10:28:00 'sup? Apr 18 10:31:03 hey qwerty Apr 18 10:31:17 * lcuk is going to jakes birthday party, ill brb Apr 18 10:32:22 Right. Lawn mowed, wife & kids on way home. Time for a coffee and to read the paper Apr 18 10:51:48 when do backup/restore program backup and choose the application cataloque, does ir backup repositories addresses or also all installed applications? Apr 18 10:52:18 It backs up the list of repos and the list of installed apps Apr 18 10:53:27 and after restore it installs all apps back automatically? Apr 18 10:53:47 Yes, it brings up a list and asks you want to want to reinstall Apr 18 10:53:59 thanks Apr 18 10:55:01 have then uninstall few apps before backup Apr 18 11:09:39 hola Apr 18 11:12:14 hi. Apr 18 11:13:29 I'm saddened by the release pessimism on itT. Apr 18 11:13:31 Hi, roope. Apr 18 11:13:48 Hi. Yes, people like to speculate. :) Apr 18 11:14:57 A Christmas release would depress me muchly. Apr 18 11:15:11 hi roope Apr 18 11:16:20 Sorry, have to be mum about release dates. But I'm not a pessimist in general. :) Apr 18 11:16:48 There's good progress every week. Apr 18 11:17:09 it's done when it's done, and hopefully not much before :) Apr 18 11:18:49 Maemo is a part of Nokia, and therefore also release dates are set With a Big Brush, thinknig about the whole company. Apr 18 11:19:14 If Maemo would be like Pandora, of course the strategy behind releases and publicity etc. might be completely different. Apr 18 11:19:30 (Although I'm happy we're not like Pandora. ;) Apr 18 11:19:40 or DNF Apr 18 11:28:33 dnf? Apr 18 11:36:17 duke nukem forever :) Apr 18 12:58:47 * thux just flashed fresh diablo cause old one behaved strangely and didn't find the reason Apr 18 12:59:44 was slow and sluggish and many times few icons missing from desktop Apr 18 13:06:57 hello all! Apr 18 13:07:10 Does anybody here know how to sync mcalendar with anything but google? Apr 18 13:07:17 does it have a .ics somewhere? Apr 18 13:07:33 or can syncevolution tap it somehow? Apr 18 13:08:55 I guess for that matter: which is the best calendar program to use? Apr 18 13:12:59 dunno Apr 18 13:13:28 i don't use calender, don't know either Apr 18 13:14:09 moo pupnik Apr 18 13:15:00 orangey: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+calendar&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=maemo+cale Apr 18 13:16:25 RST38h: I have already done this, and have a reasonable survey of what is around. Apr 18 13:16:40 What I am more interested in knowing, other than a reflex google search, is human experiences with these programs. Apr 18 13:19:04 moo Apr 18 13:19:51 orangey: I use gpe calendar with egroupware Apr 18 13:19:53 moving to new house Apr 18 13:20:08 it's not perfect and I'm having issues with the newest egw Apr 18 13:20:10 back pain just manageable Apr 18 13:20:14 but I like it Apr 18 13:20:21 egw? Apr 18 13:20:27 egroupware Apr 18 13:20:55 rather nice server-based groupware Apr 18 13:21:03 k Apr 18 13:21:08 I run it on a VM at home as a central sync service Apr 18 13:21:50 lbt: Where does gpe cal store its calendar? Apr 18 13:22:01 browser interface? Apr 18 13:22:15 sorry, I'm in Mer... - it has a local cache though Apr 18 13:22:40 pupnik yes - mainly browser based Apr 18 13:23:02 but has open interfaces to KDE and Gnome (and other) apps Apr 18 13:23:20 I use it as an LDAP store too Apr 18 13:23:27 for all my contact infi# Apr 18 13:23:30 info Apr 18 13:23:45 I want to sync LDAP onto slapd on Mer Apr 18 13:24:12 Mer is what? Apr 18 13:24:17 the next maemo. Apr 18 13:24:19 ? Apr 18 13:24:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Apr 18 13:24:30 rather, the next user-based OS for Maemo Apr 18 13:24:38 is it usable in practical terms? Apr 18 13:24:43 maemo for when Nokia abandons the N8x0 Apr 18 13:24:46 yes Apr 18 13:24:55 also for other devices Apr 18 13:25:02 is it as good / better than diablo? Apr 18 13:25:08 criteria? Apr 18 13:25:15 most significant: stability Apr 18 13:25:25 < Apr 18 13:25:34 2) I use my 810 as my primary telephone. Apr 18 13:25:35 Mer is new Apr 18 13:25:55 so, is the contacts system as good? and the SIP client? Apr 18 13:26:00 but apt-get install twinkle should work Apr 18 13:26:06 no Apr 18 13:26:15 twinkle is painful. Apr 18 13:26:19 I really, really like sofiasip Apr 18 13:26:24 it integrates amazingly well. Apr 18 13:26:26 Mer isn't for you Apr 18 13:26:31 not yet Apr 18 13:26:37 I think "not yet" is the key. Apr 18 13:26:47 I like the bleeding edge for lots of things, but not for my PDA Apr 18 13:27:10 I want my N800 to be my phone/pda/contact/browser .... one dat Apr 18 13:27:28 one dat? Apr 18 13:27:46 oh. does mer run perfectly in virtualbox? Apr 18 13:27:51 s/t/y/ Apr 18 13:27:51 lbt meant: I wany my N800 to be my phone/pda/contact/browser .... one dat Apr 18 13:28:09 ah, forgot we had a good infobot here Apr 18 13:28:20 what does one dat mean? Apr 18 13:28:37 orangey: no, virtualbox has no touchscreen and can't be resized Apr 18 13:28:55 but it runs pretty well Apr 18 13:29:11 OH, one DAY Apr 18 13:29:22 got it. Apr 18 13:29:53 Anyhow, the n810 is amazing. Apr 18 13:31:44 what is maemo 5 for? has the hardware for it been announced? Apr 18 13:31:55 no Apr 18 13:33:39 but you might want to google on rx51 Apr 18 13:33:47 that's the codename of the next tablet Apr 18 13:33:48 jo aquatix Apr 18 13:33:56 ~rx-51 Apr 18 13:33:57 rx-51 is probably http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html Apr 18 13:34:06 hey locutus :) Apr 18 13:35:42 i wonder what the devices between rx-48 and rx-51 looked like, especially since its a whole cpu jump Apr 18 13:35:56 lcuk: they were made of bacon. Apr 18 13:35:58 48 was the wimax one wasnt it?) Apr 18 13:36:02 they had lots of wire sticking out Apr 18 13:36:13 aquatix: the LCARS theme you mentioned works suprisingly good :) Apr 18 13:36:14 * RST38h wonders what rx-71 looks like Apr 18 13:36:27 its got warp nacells Apr 18 13:36:29 locutus: thanks Apr 18 13:36:36 wow.. That should be pretty spectacular. Apr 18 13:36:41 orangey: you made it? :) Apr 18 13:36:52 lcuk, you're mistakenly assuming there were any. Apr 18 13:36:53 if it has 3g, that would really answer all my prayers for the damned thing Apr 18 13:37:34 locutus: yep, i love the okuda one Apr 18 13:37:41 General: Well, the number gets to increment somehow, so I guess there should at least be paperwork :) Apr 18 13:37:55 i use the padd one Apr 18 13:38:00 lcars is fugly, tritanium ftw Apr 18 13:38:11 with a nice UFP background to round it off Apr 18 13:38:52 qwerty12_N800: myeah, tritanium is a bit too bland for me Apr 18 13:39:03 tritanium is sucky IMHO Apr 18 13:39:13 but hey, that's taste :) Apr 18 13:39:24 * RST38h prefers the default theme, at least for Diablo Apr 18 13:39:24 GeneralAntilles, killjoy, just thinking about possibilities Apr 18 13:39:38 aquatix: lcars could be could be considered the other extreme :P Apr 18 13:40:01 lcuk: RX-50 has become known as iPhone 3G =) Apr 18 13:40:15 lcuk: But don't tell anyone it is a secret! =) Apr 18 13:40:37 heh i half expect the symbian and maemo folks to have actual fist fights when R&D produce new prototypes Apr 18 13:40:41 Ok, reboot. If I do not come back., blame Toshiba Apr 18 13:41:00 lcuk: Maemo folks are too few and Symbian folks are too weak Apr 18 13:41:10 qwerty12_N800: i like pretty colours ;) Apr 18 13:41:20 is it true there are blurry photos of the new nokia? Apr 18 13:41:27 default theme is damn nice too Apr 18 13:41:29 lcuk: Just look at the new Symbian logo - they are either smoking substances on permanent basis or their brains are liquified Apr 18 13:41:38 there most likely is, but i dont know of any PUBLIC blurry photos Apr 18 13:41:46 aquatix: I like my colours less garish ;) Apr 18 13:41:58 RST38h, wouldnt know Apr 18 13:42:00 qwerty12_N800: the black backdrop makes it up for me Apr 18 13:42:08 but hey, thankfully tastes differ :) Apr 18 13:42:21 you cant change the theme on iphone can you Apr 18 13:42:33 :) Apr 18 13:44:13 wazd's titan isn't bad but the background image included with the first revision of the theme was better Apr 18 13:44:52 don't know what image that is :( Apr 18 13:45:10 qwerty12_N800: btw, i like the Okuda theme best, LCARS * is a bit too garish for me too Apr 18 13:45:38 We miss a theme with 20-sided dice, it looks... Apr 18 13:47:00 Shit, I finally found it! Apr 18 13:47:14 RST38h: ? Apr 18 13:48:01 BT file browser Apr 18 14:18:18 VDVsx: There? Apr 18 14:18:40 JvA, yup Apr 18 14:18:48 Can I pm? Apr 18 14:26:07 VDVsx: Can I pm Apr 18 14:26:08 ? Apr 18 14:26:19 JvA, yup Apr 18 14:34:05 Any itT mods around? Apr 18 14:42:57 VDVsx, are you stalking me! Apr 18 14:43:12 lcuk, ehehheeh Apr 18 14:44:01 whats twitux and do you use it lol Apr 18 14:46:21 lcuk, gwibber doesn't work in my pre-historic ubuntu Apr 18 14:46:23 :( Apr 18 14:46:56 i wouldnt know lol, the only microblogging client ive heard of is mauku Apr 18 14:47:15 * Khertan1 is installing windows qt sdk ... Apr 18 14:48:22 * lbt pats Khertan on the head and smiles Apr 18 14:49:09 lcuk, http://www.sizlopedia.com/2008/05/03/twitter-clients-for-ubuntu-linux/ -> 8 dif :P Apr 18 14:49:55 :) Apr 18 14:50:16 yes i know ... qt4 on windows ... Apr 18 14:50:35 nothing wrong with qt at all khertan Apr 18 14:50:38 but i m waiting my new pc to reinstall ubuntu Apr 18 14:50:55 infact, i take that back, the only thing wrong with qt is the extensions to c++ Apr 18 14:50:58 don't know i m testing it Apr 18 14:51:36 but the current maemo port doesn't seems to better than gtk Apr 18 14:51:53 * VDVsx have Qt installed in is nokia 5800 Apr 18 14:52:15 wow, Itt is very lively these days :P Apr 18 14:52:33 itt... maybe i should take a look :) Apr 18 14:52:43 Khertan1, it will do with time, qt has an extensive library of q classes and functions which really do help cross platform dev Apr 18 14:53:18 * pupnik ponders getting donations for fmopl on dsp Apr 18 14:53:30 qt rockz Apr 18 14:53:35 but as much as gtk is geared towards mouse, qt on the whole is - but theres tablet oriented classes on the way Apr 18 14:53:43 but no chance i think Apr 18 14:54:03 yeah woglinde ive been keeping my eye on it for a while :) Apr 18 14:54:07 hiya pupnik ! Apr 18 14:54:17 animation framework rockz Apr 18 14:54:24 with statemachine Apr 18 14:54:55 some stuff is stolen from e11 Apr 18 14:55:48 ouch Apr 18 14:56:06 i found my 24" screen too small for qt designer Apr 18 14:56:08 Khertan1 only the concepts Apr 18 14:56:11 woglinde, ive seen lots of discussion about problems relating to animated layouts and event handling - obviously having a state transition manager helps, but you are rolling back and replaying events and muching about with generic internals Apr 18 14:56:20 khertan lol Apr 18 14:56:55 and you can use qt against libGles Apr 18 14:57:01 which gtk cannot I think Apr 18 14:57:05 but I am not sure Apr 18 14:58:17 woglinde, sure, theres lots of nice things possible with qt Apr 18 14:58:44 jo qwerty Apr 18 14:58:44 gl for default widgets doesnt help tho - do you have x,y,z and orientation stuffs for textboxes? Apr 18 14:59:16 ello woglinde Apr 18 14:59:26 or are you meaning to use gl as a compositor Apr 18 14:59:37 \o hi qwerty Apr 18 14:59:46 ello lcuk Apr 18 14:59:52 lcuk for animatet stuff Apr 18 15:00:19 then sure, you can put a gl box inside a gtk layout and render whatever you want Apr 18 15:00:23 and gpu support Apr 18 15:00:52 is that stuff going to evilve into the equivalend of a 3D video game engine? Apr 18 15:00:52 i might be wrong, but gtk just uses x11 with whatever accel it has Apr 18 15:00:58 evolve Apr 18 15:01:27 hi pupnik Apr 18 15:01:30 pupnik, a game engine is easy - what you want is a game engine that can be used to create desktop apps Apr 18 15:01:52 hum ... Apr 18 15:01:54 wonder if there is a Q3A wm/compositor Apr 18 15:02:06 does there is a good documentation on pyqt ? Apr 18 15:02:21 kerthan hm should be Apr 18 15:02:21 it seems i didn't understand well the concept Apr 18 15:02:58 Khertan1, do you have any example apps to test it with Apr 18 15:03:02 so you can see how they do it Apr 18 15:03:46 yep ... a QWidget .... and that all :) Apr 18 15:04:15 * lcuk has vcells Apr 18 15:04:29 if i have a .git server that has undergone drastic changes and i want to commit and push am i best doing a local backup first Apr 18 15:04:55 hey ho joyrider_ \o Apr 18 15:05:13 hey :) Apr 18 15:05:18 lcuk hm pull --rebase works mostly very well Apr 18 15:06:00 liqbase needs a rebase before i upload to codebase Apr 18 15:06:22 hm has garage now git support? Apr 18 15:06:43 yeah but im hosted on codebasehq.com for now Apr 18 15:06:50 they have better issue tracking Apr 18 15:06:57 or rather, a better interface for it Apr 18 15:07:32 joyrider_ hows your game coming Apr 18 15:07:49 got the leveleditor workin :) Apr 18 15:08:07 I rather intrested in the plugin Apr 18 15:08:17 for our gforge fork at work Apr 18 15:08:21 no example of pyqt4 for maemo too Apr 18 15:08:28 luck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnmTLNURuME Apr 18 15:08:47 Khertan1, just a mo ill find you one Apr 18 15:08:53 mo ? Apr 18 15:08:54 Khertan1: this app uses PyQT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280607#post280607 Apr 18 15:08:57 moment Apr 18 15:09:00 qwerty12, can you remember where it was again? the scrolly thing Apr 18 15:09:04 * lcuk cannot navigate the forum Apr 18 15:09:06 ah ok thx :) Apr 18 15:09:11 lol Apr 18 15:09:30 lcuk / Khertan1: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=279457&postcount=22 Apr 18 15:09:41 (the scrolly thing lcuk is referring to) Apr 18 15:10:10 :D thanks Apr 18 15:10:32 qwerty12, when do you turn 18? Apr 18 15:11:03 About 2 years and 8 months Apr 18 15:11:27 No, what am I on? 1 year and 8 months Apr 18 15:11:37 lol Apr 18 15:11:51 you hou ! Apr 18 15:11:53 the beer will be flat by then Apr 18 15:11:58 i found more example :) Apr 18 15:12:06 \o/ w00t Apr 18 15:12:50 uh git stuff announcment on april 1st Apr 18 15:15:23 hm but how many projects now converting Apr 18 15:16:01 so, pyqt bindings are avilable for diablo? Apr 18 15:16:04 cool! Apr 18 15:16:44 woglinde, i dont think its mostly about converting yet, its available for new projects Apr 18 15:16:47 knottori I think they are there a long of time Apr 18 15:16:53 * lcuk thinks liqbase will be in the garage git soon Apr 18 15:16:57 hm okay Apr 18 15:17:10 seems you cannt do mor repos and no personal repos Apr 18 15:17:17 obviously its good if projects do, but usually things dont just change overnight Apr 18 15:17:36 hiya konttori_ \o Apr 18 15:18:05 My beautiful baby girl was born on monday, so, I've been off for a while Apr 18 15:18:18 :D congratulations! Apr 18 15:18:20 Congrats! Apr 18 15:18:55 konttori_, i hope you are looking after your wife Apr 18 15:19:46 'grats, konttori_! Apr 18 15:22:49 thanks guys! Apr 18 15:23:31 konttori_, how long do you have off for paterntity over there Apr 18 15:23:52 -t lol Apr 18 15:23:52 I've been at the hospital since monday, we came home yesterday and got thumbs up today, so all is fine with her. I was just about to blog on converting ukmp to fremantle, when this happiness came to be. Apr 18 15:24:15 lcuk: 2 weeks now, one week in the autumn and one month next january. Apr 18 15:25:03 wb qwerty12 Apr 18 15:25:11 Thanks b-man` Apr 18 15:25:56 forget blogging bout fremantle, and put a blog about you little one, are baby and mummy doing well? what weight was little one? and most important what have you called her? Apr 18 15:30:32 ^ Apr 18 15:30:55 konttori_ gratz Apr 18 15:43:10 lcuk: we have no idea of her name yet Apr 18 15:43:22 and yeah, I'll be blogging about that Apr 18 15:43:30 woglinde: thanks Apr 18 15:44:06 knottori no name? Apr 18 15:44:08 keep your normal naming conventions, how about "uklp" (little princess lol) Apr 18 15:44:24 here in germany you have to provide a name at birth Apr 18 15:44:36 lcuk hehe Apr 18 15:47:11 till later Apr 18 15:50:09 woglinde: not yet Apr 18 15:50:20 in finland it's customary to give it after a few weeks Apr 18 15:53:31 thats nice, gives you a chance to find a suitable name :) Apr 18 15:59:50 woglinde: what if you do not provide a name? Apr 18 16:00:07 lcuk: Why not do it in advance? =) Apr 18 16:00:26 cos you dont know what your baby will be like Apr 18 16:01:09 lcuk: well, it will be either boy or girl (easily determined a few months before birth), it will be small, pink, and round Apr 18 16:06:39 RST38 hm good question Apr 18 16:06:57 RST38h than you got a blank document about the birth Apr 18 16:08:40 hey, not all children are pink at birth :-( Apr 18 16:09:16 heh Apr 18 16:09:53 *g* Apr 18 16:10:04 locutus: but they all get there eventually =) Apr 18 16:38:15 i set up rotation using the instructions from http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation, but now I can't use apt-get :( Apr 18 16:39:19 user_ why? Apr 18 16:44:42 i get :"osso-software-version-rx44: depends kernel-diablo-flasher (version) but versionrotationfast is to be installed Apr 18 16:45:36 i tried using apt-get -f but that did not help Apr 18 16:45:46 apt-get -f install Apr 18 16:57:45 apt-get -f install gives the same error Apr 18 16:58:35 cousinitt: you will need to remove the osso-software-version-rx44 first Apr 18 16:58:43 it's the SSU core package Apr 18 16:58:50 and it's guarding the system. Apr 18 17:03:33 apt-get remove osso-software-version-rx44 ? Apr 18 17:04:13 apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Apr 18 17:04:15 IIRC Apr 18 17:17:20 Yeah, -unlocked. Apr 18 17:20:59 the instructions say: If you are flashed your device with 5.2008.43-7 (not updated from a earlier firmware!) then you only install advanced-backlight Apr 18 18:14:10 Hello Apr 18 18:16:00 lcuk: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot_pyqt.png Apr 18 18:16:11 lcuk: the result isn't really great Apr 18 18:16:17 can't move the toolbar Apr 18 18:16:27 like on the window version Apr 18 18:16:45 the highlight in menu is wrong Apr 18 18:16:53 and size of window too Apr 18 18:17:00 Khertan1, but look at what you have after an afternoon of hacking. Apr 18 18:17:07 an application in an entirely new toolkit! Apr 18 18:17:28 (i ve got trying too the new toyota auris :) Apr 18 18:17:36 as i ll surely bought a new car Apr 18 18:17:42 but ... yep in one hour Apr 18 18:18:06 how are you going to code on the way to work if you are driving o_O Apr 18 18:18:08 lcuk: but to be honest the result isn't great Apr 18 18:18:14 or will you carry on getting the train anyway Apr 18 18:18:25 ok Khertan1 but dont you feel at least partly better by trying Apr 18 18:18:51 nope just a new car for my wife Apr 18 18:18:54 as i prefer mine Apr 18 18:18:55 what you have discovered are niggles, it might be an idea to post them to the bugtracker Apr 18 18:19:36 lcuk : i didn't have the time ... from what i see if i whant to report bugs i ll no have anymore time to code Apr 18 18:20:21 i know that feeling! mind you, im filing bugs and making changes as we speak lol Apr 18 18:21:25 hum ... the same apps running on windows is really better Apr 18 18:23:03 I'm having difficulty viewing my Windows network from my n810. Usually I just have to open up the file manager and it shows up. Apr 18 18:23:41 lcuk: anyway i ll take a look at qt for other reason ... to do win32 apps :) Apr 18 18:25:03 yes, its interesting Apr 18 18:30:24 yep Apr 18 18:30:47 but from what i understand it ll be more and more used on the maemo plateform ... Apr 18 18:30:51 so it ll be usefull Apr 18 18:30:53 :) Apr 18 18:36:21 is it possible to use the internal gps from the n810 from another box, using bluetooth? Apr 18 18:37:18 Corsac, it should be possible, you just need to find something to act as the gps daemon on maemo to respond to requests etc Apr 18 18:37:26 not sure on the technicals or if its been tried Apr 18 18:38:20 I have gpsd running on the device so it should be possible to access it via wlan Apr 18 18:38:23 but using bluetooth? Apr 18 18:41:00 Making the N810 act as a Bluetooth serial device should work Apr 18 18:41:05 Outputting NMEA strings Apr 18 18:42:47 * Stskeeps waves from warsaw Apr 18 18:43:04 * lcuk waves back Apr 18 18:43:29 Jaffa: any idea how to do that? :) Apr 18 18:45:37 Must I gtk_init to use osso_cp_plugin_execute? Apr 18 18:47:37 qwerty, yes, the plugin is run in-process (unless it is already open in control panel) Apr 18 18:48:07 inz: thanks, wondered where I was going wrong... Apr 18 18:49:42 re Apr 18 18:55:00 mmh, it seems that the gpsd won't let me connect Apr 18 19:10:14 Moo Sts, qwerty, lcuk Apr 18 19:10:24 Whoever likes airplanes, http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1813062.html?#cutid1 Apr 18 19:10:29 baa RST38h Apr 18 19:10:42 oink! Apr 18 19:11:18 * qwerty12_N800 gets the chainsaw and gives lcuk his favourite food. No, wait... Apr 18 19:11:29 weird, gpmsmon seems to find data Apr 18 19:11:32 gpsmon Apr 18 19:11:36 but xgps or whatever doesn't Apr 18 19:11:48 qwerty: Make sure he ends up as bacon Apr 18 19:12:11 Aye, that's the plan Apr 18 19:12:18 i am pre-bacon Apr 18 19:12:18 avenge all those innocent little piggies! Apr 18 19:13:01 wow RST38h Apr 18 19:13:07 thats such a waste Apr 18 19:13:13 what? Apr 18 19:13:35 the planes Apr 18 19:13:39 they should be in the sky Apr 18 19:13:47 oh, those Apr 18 19:13:53 it is an open air aviation museum Apr 18 19:14:08 a little more than a junkyard at the moment, really Apr 18 19:14:16 re Apr 18 19:14:18 is that another name for coldwar bullshit scrapyard? :/ Apr 18 19:14:25 aww, too slow :/ Apr 18 19:14:40 more or less, although they have got civilian models as well there Apr 18 19:15:00 in soviet russia there's no such thing as civilian : Apr 18 19:15:03 :) Apr 18 19:15:37 doc: why? Apr 18 19:15:54 RST38h: because everyone's just a cog in one giant state machine Apr 18 19:16:10 (not that the rest of us are much better off these days :( ) Apr 18 19:16:19 and there are no civilian cogs there? Apr 18 19:16:35 what do i need to use jabber with pidgin? Apr 18 19:16:43 bongo|kup: nothing usually Apr 18 19:16:51 bongo internet connection Apr 18 19:16:57 bongo|kup: select xmpp Apr 18 19:17:02 may have to download a plugin but it should be there by default Apr 18 19:17:31 i can't find it in the protocoll list Apr 18 19:18:10 icq, msn, aim .... i's all there Apr 18 19:18:22 but no xmpp Apr 18 19:18:27 :( Apr 18 19:22:32 hm its time for a berr Apr 18 19:22:35 ups beer Apr 18 19:51:01 I tried to upgrade my N800 to OS2008 using Windows Vista and there was a write fail during the upgrade and now my tablet is in a reboot loop. I cannot re-do the upgrade nor use it. Any suggestions? Apr 18 19:55:50 why can't you re-upgrade? Apr 18 19:56:16 meiz its to easy Apr 18 19:57:14 hmhm, it seems that gpsd doesn't send anything on the 2947 port Apr 18 20:01:02 Meiz_n810, since it is in a reboot loop, after it is detected by the upgrader, it reboots and disconnects from USB Apr 18 20:01:27 KurtKraut hm then it might be bricked Apr 18 20:01:44 woglinde, how can I fix that? Apr 18 20:02:09 KurtKraut send it back to nokia? Apr 18 20:02:20 Are you holding down Home? Apr 18 20:02:37 GeneralAntilles, are you asking me this? Apr 18 20:02:46 Yes. Apr 18 20:02:51 woglinde, that sounds pretty bad :/ Apr 18 20:02:58 If you're not holding down Hom, it wont wait in flashing mode. Apr 18 20:03:13 s/Hom/Home/ Apr 18 20:03:14 GeneralAntilles meant: If you're not holding down Home, it wont wait in flashing mode. Apr 18 20:03:25 GeneralAntilles, no, I'm now holding no button. And I've never seen this in any instructions, but I'll try that now Apr 18 20:03:49 ~flashing Apr 18 20:03:50 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 18 20:04:28 Anyone know why Nokia would be ordering 2 million capacitive touchscreens for May-June? Speculation is their for the 5800 handset, but could they be for the new tablet? Apr 18 20:04:40 s/their/they're/ Apr 18 20:04:41 milhouse meant: Anyone know why Nokia would be ordering 2 million capacitive touchscreens for May-June? Speculation is they're for the 5800 handset, but could they be for the new tablet? Apr 18 20:04:57 does n810 have resistive or capasitive ts? Apr 18 20:05:28 milhouse, there's no way it's the tablet. Apr 18 20:05:37 2m too many? Apr 18 20:05:45 Ave, resistive Apr 18 20:05:56 There are two resistive panels in the kernel Apr 18 20:05:57 GeneralAntilles, the rebooting loop stopped. I think it will work. Thanks a lot for your information. Apr 18 20:06:39 kthx Apr 18 20:06:58 GA: I don't know the sales figures for previous tablets, maybe 2 million this time if the product is good enough? Apr 18 20:07:02 milhouse, liqbase is a Fremantle star. Apr 18 20:07:15 Well, I know for sure they're ramping it up for this round Apr 18 20:07:19 So definitely expect more than before. Apr 18 20:07:27 770 was about 50k Apr 18 20:07:34 N800 was somewhere around 500k Apr 18 20:07:34 GA: About time to make a proper go of it Apr 18 20:07:39 N810 I could only guess on Apr 18 20:07:43 but I'd bet over a million Apr 18 20:08:01 So maybe 2m isn't such a stretch after all Apr 18 20:08:11 it could be for something silly too Apr 18 20:08:27 Nah, but I don't think that number is useful in deciding whether it's for the tablets Apr 18 20:08:36 Better to look at what's in the code Apr 18 20:08:40 yeah Apr 18 20:08:42 and the code says "no capacitive" Apr 18 20:09:08 GA: Was just a punt in the dark! :) Apr 18 20:09:20 GeneralAntilles, :D Apr 18 20:09:23 Isn't 5800 out already, or was their first S60 5th edition thing called 5600? I forget Apr 18 20:09:28 liqbase is indeed a * :D Apr 18 20:09:44 he lcuk Apr 18 20:09:49 Shadow: Yes, 5800 is out already which is why I thought the news about 2m new touchscreens a little odd Apr 18 20:09:51 milhouse, yeah, well, my searchlights and flak 88s are shooting it down. :P Apr 18 20:10:22 lcuk, * == asshole? Apr 18 20:10:24 Ah, well, from what I've seen of 5th edition on a workmate's 5800, i'd think it'd be a bit challenging to use with capacitive screen Apr 18 20:10:52 :| Apr 18 20:11:01 Ehehe Apr 18 20:11:07 Not a Vonnegut fan? Apr 18 20:11:32 http://www.vonnegut.com/images/art/aug06/01backdoor.jpg Apr 18 20:12:05 It'd be funny if they made S40 with touchscreen :-) Apr 18 20:12:19 Now I have a working N800 with OS800 thanks to GeneralAntilles, woglinde and Meiz_n810 who gave me some attention to me. Thanks again folks. Apr 18 20:16:16 ShadowJK, S40 is just funny period. Apr 18 20:16:19 moo all again Apr 18 20:16:32 GeneralAntilles, my S40 phone is more reliable than my S60 :-) Apr 18 20:16:37 and the UI is more responsive Apr 18 20:16:38 kurt good to hear Apr 18 20:16:55 Every S40 phone I've ever used has been absolute trash. Apr 18 20:17:23 Mind, most of that reliability probably comes from Nokia putting a CSR bluetooth chip in it rather than the TI in my S60 phone, which seems to require daily reboots to function :-) Apr 18 20:17:50 Shadow,GAN: One word: Java Apr 18 20:18:15 hm I didnt relize the n's have jazelle Apr 18 20:18:22 it's not that Apr 18 20:18:43 I want a small, reasonably-inexpensive Cortex Linux phone. Apr 18 20:18:57 Pre looks generally about right, but Sprint doesn't work. Apr 18 20:18:59 ga build your self one Apr 18 20:19:04 not possible given the cost of Cortex chips Apr 18 20:19:24 RST38h, reasonably-inexpensive. Apr 18 20:19:35 i.e., I'm not looking for a giant screen or lots of side features. Apr 18 20:20:06 General: For reasonably-inexpensive, try anything with Samsung SoCs Apr 18 20:20:15 TI = expensive Apr 18 20:20:43 Anyway, a Cortex M-series wouldn't be super expensive. ;) Apr 18 20:20:49 But, that's why I said "reasonably" Apr 18 20:21:02 gumstick? Apr 18 20:21:07 PHONE Apr 18 20:21:17 Curiously the E55 (not released yet) specs list a 600MHz CPU :-) Apr 18 20:21:32 ShadowJK, pretty standard for the newer ARM11s Apr 18 20:22:00 Cortex M0: These processors support the Thumb-2 instruction set only. Apr 18 20:22:17 General: I do not think this one will be able to drive a smartphone Apr 18 20:22:27 RST38h, I was kidding. Apr 18 20:22:33 Baseband - yes. General purpose - nah Apr 18 20:22:36 Mirroring your insistence on silly technicalities. Apr 18 20:22:46 ah =) Apr 18 20:23:24 I wonder how long the Pre's exclusive with Sprint will be. Apr 18 20:23:32 Hopefully shorter than the iPhone's with AT&T Apr 18 20:23:37 if not those silly technicalities, we would all be carrying flexible, transparent, touchscreen Nokia phones with 1Gbps bandwidth permanentnly available at no cost Apr 18 20:24:09 RST38h, nah, we wouldn't be endlessing arguing semantics in here. Apr 18 20:25:03 GAN: As of Pre, my guess is that Palm will simply produce a different phone model with the same software and make it available to more carriers =) Apr 18 20:26:54 Or Nokia could just get me a damn tablet so I could stop looking to phones to cure the jonesing. Apr 18 20:27:22 operators here started cutting costs... by not bothering to roll their custom firmwares in order to lock phones :-) Apr 18 20:28:26 that sounds great Apr 18 20:30:05 (Saunalahti) Apr 18 20:31:01 * RST38h does not know what a "locked phone" is Apr 18 20:32:01 one you can't swap sim card in to use with another operator Apr 18 20:32:27 upgrading the software on it might also be blocked Apr 18 20:33:16 so silly Apr 18 20:33:35 do they at least subsidize this brick when they sell it to you? Apr 18 20:33:56 Nah it's just a loan in disguise really :-) Apr 18 20:34:16 so you are not paying for the phone? Apr 18 20:35:48 there's monthly fee Apr 18 20:35:51 Heh, OLPC switching from deceased Geode to VIA Apr 18 20:36:39 They need ARM Apr 18 20:36:40 Shadow: can you just buy a normal phone and just pay for airtime and traffic? Apr 18 20:36:41 Probably the nicest thing with olpc was ditching bios for openfirmware Apr 18 20:36:52 RST38h, yes Apr 18 20:36:55 That's what I do Apr 18 20:36:57 I can't believe they're foisting x86 on a low power rig Apr 18 20:37:16 GAN: They need to run Windows. That, apparently, was a condition made by would be customer countries Apr 18 20:37:29 * ShadowJK pays 10E per month for 2mbit/s unmetered gprs/edge/3g/hsdpa and 6.9cent/minute for calls Apr 18 20:37:43 Windows CE? It's close enough. Apr 18 20:37:58 Shadow: sounds pretty decent Apr 18 20:38:00 Anyway, beggars can't be choosers. Apr 18 20:38:09 GAN: No, they need real Windows not that lobotomized crap Apr 18 20:38:25 GAN: But they can, that is the curious thing about the whole deal Apr 18 20:38:32 They don't 'need' it. Apr 18 20:38:33 I heard a rumour that the OLPC crowd were pushing MS to get Windows 7 on ARM Apr 18 20:38:38 GAN: exactly Apr 18 20:38:54 They do not need those little green monsters Apr 18 20:39:43 I wonder how much those requirements cost MS Apr 18 20:40:36 You mean running Windoze on a Geode? Not much, Windoze can run there, when stripped. It is an x86. Apr 18 20:40:54 "run" Apr 18 20:41:04 I mean how much bribe money they paid Apr 18 20:41:14 Ah, good question =) Apr 18 20:42:07 Maybe none - would it be in MS's interest to get Win7 on ARM, perhaps running "full" Windows on mobile devices in future? OLPC would be a side benefit. Apr 18 20:42:41 mobile => ARM Apr 18 20:42:57 milhouse: getting Win7 on ARM is pointless Apr 18 20:43:17 Why? Apr 18 20:43:17 And almost never going to happen. Apr 18 20:43:19 milhouse: you do not automatically get all Windows applications Apr 18 20:43:20 Software wouldn't run there :-) Apr 18 20:43:36 win7 on qemu on arm? Apr 18 20:43:44 milhouse: and even if somebody DOES spend money on porting his app from x86 Windows to arm Windows, it will most likely run slow Apr 18 20:43:48 MS don't need the revenue, and getting Win32 apps to be produced in a dual-binary mode like Apple did for the PPC -> x86 transition would be much harder Apr 18 20:44:11 I think the way ARM processors are going, performance could be quite reasonable - if not this year, then possibly next Apr 18 20:44:15 Big screen Apr 18 20:44:21 Hell, people, x86 can read unaligned data just like THAT Apr 18 20:44:43 Would it be that pointless? I'm not so sure - I bet MS would love to get rid of Win CE Apr 18 20:45:03 When you recompile x86 stuff to ARM, just finding out all places in the code causing alignment faults will take ages Apr 18 20:45:04 i listen to RST on such things Apr 18 20:45:04 And MS have supported multiple CPU architectures in Windows before now Apr 18 20:45:21 RST38h new fmopl for dosbox Apr 18 20:45:22 It still does Apr 18 20:45:50 But that word "support" is somewhat exagerrated Apr 18 20:45:52 Really - where can I get XP for my DEC Alpha? ;-) Apr 18 20:46:16 Dunno. But you can get it on the Itanic Apr 18 20:46:32 Ah, Windows, honestly, who gives a shit? Apr 18 20:46:41 90% of the population Apr 18 20:46:45 I do - I've got shares in ARM! :) Apr 18 20:47:07 Pavlov, they don't coung Apr 18 20:47:12 haha Apr 18 20:47:15 s/coung/count/ Apr 18 20:47:15 GAN800 meant: Pavlov, they don't count Apr 18 20:47:38 if only Apr 18 20:47:46 Anyways, the Windoze requirement in OLPCs was made by the potential recipient countries Apr 18 20:48:16 rm_you: ping Apr 18 20:48:41 Poor Negroponte ventured out of his ivory tower and suddenly found out that those poor latinos and indians can just buy a bunch of desktops for $200/apiece rather than invest in his white elephant Apr 18 20:50:18 I wouldn't be so hard on the guy - he had laudible aims Apr 18 20:50:25 Some of them kinda agree to buy his stuff but only if it runs standard office software = Windows Apr 18 20:50:52 qwerty12_N800: pong Apr 18 20:50:52 milhouse: Yes, obviously, he wanted money grants for his lab =) Apr 18 20:50:57 Funny how Intel muscled their way in once they saw the potential for sales of their expensive kit to dry up Apr 18 20:51:07 rm_you: may I PM you? Apr 18 20:51:19 qwerty12_N800: course Apr 18 20:53:42 milhouse: Intel always produced inexpensive chips (Celerons) Apr 18 20:54:04 chipset cost? Apr 18 20:54:09 and before that - 486SX and 386SX and 8088 Apr 18 20:54:37 milhouse: just use a crappy VIA chipset Apr 18 20:54:38 and then 8086 Apr 18 20:54:44 great Apr 18 20:54:54 VIA chipset on an Intel machine? doubt it! Apr 18 20:54:54 my N810 only powers down immediately after booting :-/ Apr 18 20:54:56 No, 8088 is actually a lower cost version of 8086 Apr 18 20:55:11 * fireun shrugs at the relavance Apr 18 20:55:26 kickass Apr 18 20:55:49 watching youtubes on my panasonic bluray player Apr 18 20:55:50 milhouse: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/desktop-chipsets.jsp#intel-processors Apr 18 20:56:03 RST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classmate_PC Apr 18 20:56:04 Stskeeps: get it yet? :) Apr 18 20:56:05 haha Apr 18 20:56:08 or is it still in customs? Apr 18 20:56:35 milhouse: yea, I know what it is. So? Apr 18 20:56:52 righto Apr 18 20:56:58 Do you really think Intel would manufacture a whole PC using someone elses chips when they could sell their own? Why? Apr 18 20:57:00 so setting bash to be your login shell, will break Maemo? Apr 18 20:57:06 hm. i'm downloading reaper Apr 18 20:57:10 hope the show doesn't suck Apr 18 20:57:12 sounds interesting Apr 18 20:59:13 milhouse: Intel does not manufacture PCs Apr 18 20:59:45 OK, it designs them - using it's kit. Apr 18 20:59:56 milhouse: What you are looking at is a reference design Apr 18 21:00:12 And I am not even sure how it compares with OLPC in terms of market penetration Apr 18 21:00:29 Dunno about penetration, but they're both going for the same market Apr 18 21:00:47 And basically fcking each other over - so nobody wins Apr 18 21:00:56 least of all the customers Apr 18 21:01:01 not sure if there IS market, given how chip generic desktops are Apr 18 21:01:05 s/chip/cheap Apr 18 21:01:28 I think some of the benefits of OLPC were in the software stack Apr 18 21:01:56 Mesh networking etc. - all very do-able on consumer kit, but maybe not so easy to roll your own Apr 18 21:03:17 Ah, who needs this stuff except for a few graduate students with papers to write? Apr 18 21:04:03 In reality you have got a generic access point, some kind of an uplink (DSL or satellite) and a bunch of Windows laptops with Office. Apr 18 21:04:19 rst he Apr 18 21:04:30 seems my diploma thesis will be on this topic Apr 18 21:04:40 =) Apr 18 21:04:54 *g* Apr 18 22:09:25 Jaffa: I'm trying to prep Qt for Mer on badger and think I need debhelper or something... Apr 18 22:10:31 (narrowing it down...) Apr 18 22:11:03 ah, cdbs Apr 18 22:11:30 to do : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i Apr 18 22:35:51 bed now... g'night Apr 18 22:42:49 * b-man16 has successfully created a port of PearPC for the NITs :) Apr 18 22:42:51 it uses x11 instead of gtk thought - mainly because it failed to build with gtk enabled Apr 18 22:43:08 re: though Apr 18 22:44:08 watching the host Apr 18 22:44:30 ? Apr 18 22:44:49 NITs? Apr 18 22:44:52 what good is PearPC? Apr 18 22:45:13 hahaha Apr 18 22:45:18 imagine booting OSX with that :) Apr 18 22:45:24 it'll only take what, 3 days to boot? ;-) Apr 18 22:45:25 it is an experiment Apr 18 22:45:30 lol Apr 18 22:45:58 wtf is pearpc? Apr 18 22:46:08 PPC emu Apr 18 22:46:11 omg Apr 18 22:46:17 lol Apr 18 22:46:20 that sounds horrible Apr 18 22:46:39 like i said, it is an experiment XD Apr 18 22:48:00 * b-man16 was allrety successful in emulating NITdroid on his N800 ;) Apr 18 22:48:07 what is NIT Apr 18 22:48:13 * b-man16 grabs a screenshot Apr 18 22:48:33 lol. the host is funny Apr 18 22:48:37 internet tablet - aka n800/n810 Apr 18 22:48:58 it is like korean cloverfield Apr 18 22:49:29 except more of a movie Apr 18 22:50:06 luke-jr: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html Apr 18 22:50:10 I like the term Nseries more ;) Apr 18 22:50:22 b-man16: eww, GNOME Apr 18 22:50:25 lol Apr 18 22:50:40 it runs fine :P Apr 18 22:50:48 GNOME doesn't run fine on *anything* Apr 18 22:51:51 * b-man16 prefers Gnome over KDE or XFCE Apr 18 22:52:27 and i don't care about your opinion XD Apr 18 23:49:12 hey what cellphone is close to a n810 Apr 18 23:50:03 heh Apr 18 23:50:05 none? Apr 18 23:52:20 it's been very quite here lately :P Apr 18 23:54:04 hmm Apr 18 23:54:11 i was looking at the g1 Apr 18 23:54:19 untill i saw how much it would be monthly Apr 18 23:54:23 that hurts Apr 18 23:54:31 i want a smart phone and i hate windows Apr 18 23:54:36 dont have much options left Apr 18 23:54:48 and i am not to thrilled about blackberry Apr 18 23:57:12 get an android phone Apr 18 23:57:37 i have a g1 its 90/month Apr 18 23:58:06 yeah i looked at the my faves 300 minutes a month with unlim web its 75 a month Apr 18 23:58:10 all other "smartphones" will cost just as much with any other carrier Apr 18 23:58:11 thats alot Apr 18 23:58:38 eh not really if i stay with vzw i get a 50% discount Apr 18 23:58:47 just trying to find phones that i would like Apr 18 23:58:51 att's unlimited plans were 120/month Apr 18 23:59:51 how is android btw Apr 19 00:01:49 its ok Apr 19 00:01:57 i think it needs a lot of work Apr 19 00:02:03 ex? Apr 19 00:02:07 but it is getting better Apr 19 00:02:45 well.. for one thing the bluetooth support is nonexistant Apr 19 00:02:50 hmm Apr 19 00:02:56 it only supports a bt earpiece Apr 19 00:03:00 ah Apr 19 00:03:02 right Apr 19 00:03:09 no a2dp or hid Apr 19 00:03:13 hmm Apr 19 00:03:26 i dont use those still still understand the want for them Apr 19 00:03:36 there are only 5 apps on the market worth using... Apr 19 00:04:00 such as ? Apr 19 00:04:05 uhm... the lack of no soft keyboard was a total let down Apr 19 00:04:23 i just have an issue with windows mobile esp that i dont like installing their stupid app on a computer Apr 19 00:04:33 hmm right Apr 19 00:04:52 i think there are a couple office apps Apr 19 00:05:10 quickoffice which was absolutely awesome for my n95 Apr 19 00:05:17 hmm Apr 19 00:05:19 only lets you view docs Apr 19 00:05:24 on android Apr 19 00:05:30 hmm Apr 19 00:05:36 it is garbage and for $20? Apr 19 00:05:43 right Apr 19 00:05:56 i can open a good amount on n810 Apr 19 00:05:58 which doesnt matter because lack of bluetooth hid support Apr 19 00:06:09 means no bluetooth keyboard Apr 19 00:06:16 yeah i know Apr 19 00:06:28 i used to type entire papers on my n95 with quickoffice Apr 19 00:06:28 but you do have a keyboard on there Apr 19 00:06:47 cant touch type with just your thumbs Apr 19 00:07:12 with the n95 i could use my su8w bluetooth keyboard Apr 19 00:07:31 tethering the g1 requires hacking root on it Apr 19 00:07:42 which is easy enough but still a pain Apr 19 00:07:55 right i dont mind short typing on n810 Apr 19 00:08:07 the interface is good though Apr 19 00:08:20 g1 has a pretty strong gpu for a phone Apr 19 00:08:55 can it stream videos? Apr 19 00:09:06 i'd say if symbian ditched the old interface and made something as nice as android.. it would be 10x better Apr 19 00:09:27 it has a youtube app Apr 19 00:09:50 that can watch youtube vids.. but no flash player Apr 19 00:10:05 hmm Apr 19 00:10:11 it can play ipod encoded mp4s fairly well Apr 19 00:10:36 but since there is no a2dp you have to use wired headphones Apr 19 00:10:47 which uses the usb port Apr 19 00:10:55 yeah i mean i cant really watch too much on the n810 Apr 19 00:11:13 n810 plays ipod encoded mp4s fine Apr 19 00:11:20 at least my n800 did Apr 19 00:11:21 really? Apr 19 00:11:26 sure Apr 19 00:11:29 hmm i guess i could encode my stuff Apr 19 00:11:38 use nero recode Apr 19 00:11:42 i just try to stream everything the way they are Apr 19 00:11:46 with the ipod profile Apr 19 00:11:48 fs is linux Apr 19 00:12:04 is there a nero recode for linux Apr 19 00:12:09 no Apr 19 00:12:15 :( Apr 19 00:12:19 my fileserver is nexenta Apr 19 00:12:25 nexenta? Apr 19 00:12:30 zfs ftw Apr 19 00:12:57 nexenta = opensolaris + gnu (debian apt-get) Apr 19 00:13:27 Stskeeps told me about it a while back and i have been using it since. it kicks ass Apr 19 00:13:33 ah ok Apr 19 00:13:36 interesting Apr 19 00:13:48 linux sucked as a fs Apr 19 00:13:55 as did fbsd Apr 19 00:14:10 the filesystems they use suck for huge volumes Apr 19 00:14:21 i have an 8TB raid 5 Apr 19 00:14:40 i have never gotten the performance that i get with zfs Apr 19 00:14:59 i do 4tb raid 5 xfs Apr 19 00:15:02 my gbit is the bottleneck. i get sustained 100MB/s xfers Apr 19 00:15:07 kernel raid Apr 19 00:15:09 so do i Apr 19 00:15:10 :) Apr 19 00:15:13 whats the issue Apr 19 00:15:21 never tried xfs Apr 19 00:15:37 i easily max out gbit Apr 19 00:15:48 i didnt for some reason Apr 19 00:16:04 linux anf fbsd were like running a 100mbit network Apr 19 00:16:20 well. i have to get ready for work. ttyl Apr 19 00:16:42 alright well thanks and hf at work Apr 19 00:16:54 yeah right ;) Apr 19 00:16:58 later Apr 19 00:56:04 hi everybody Apr 19 00:56:15 I'm in a special situation Apr 19 00:56:54 I'm far from home and I forgot my USB cable and I'd like to totally reset my Nokia N800 Apr 19 00:57:01 is there a way to do it ? Apr 19 00:59:10 inland0: probably Apr 19 01:02:47 hello, somebody known some negative points for Nokia N800? i ask this becouse i think buy the n800 Apr 19 01:04:26 luke-jr: great, I'll try to search more on internet, but for now I'm finding nothing Apr 19 01:05:07 I wouldn't expect anyone's ever done it Apr 19 01:05:09 just possible Apr 19 01:09:22 ok Apr 19 01:13:43 N810 uses standard mini-usb Apr 19 01:13:49 not sure about N800 though Apr 19 01:14:14 yeah right Apr 19 01:14:18 standard technically maybe Apr 19 01:14:20 but nothing else uses it Apr 19 01:16:31 LinuxCode, no, N810 uses standard MICRO-usb. N800 uses standard MINI-usb. Apr 19 01:16:45 ShadowJK, ehh yes Apr 19 01:16:50 ohh Apr 19 01:16:54 interesting Apr 19 01:17:05 inland0, so your answer is, you want a standard mini-usb cable Apr 19 01:17:27 a lot of digi cams use mini-usb too Apr 19 01:21:12 I have a digi cam but it's not the right size. I'll ask around me then, thanks Apr 19 01:22:33 what the resolution the cam of n800 LinuxCode ? Apr 19 01:22:54 40*40 Apr 19 01:23:52 X| Apr 19 01:44:14 yo peeps Apr 19 01:45:04 is the general there? Apr 19 01:45:24 GA has been idle for 5+ hours Apr 19 01:45:32 jpereira, dunno Apr 19 01:45:32 oh Apr 19 01:45:35 I have got a N810 Apr 19 01:45:44 me have a n800 Apr 19 01:46:12 iv been having problems installing gsfonts Apr 19 01:46:32 can anyone help me? Apr 19 01:46:42 LinuxCode: dunno? O_o, dunno is city at italia, understand... Apr 19 01:47:24 Qwerty_12_N800 (your cue) Apr 19 01:47:39 linux code is gone Apr 19 01:49:16 jpereira: can u help plz Apr 19 01:49:36 i feel like i am legend here'z Apr 19 01:49:48 will smith roxz Apr 19 01:51:25 yo doc, I need some help Apr 19 01:51:59 most of the people seem like zombies Apr 19 01:52:08 oh no! Apr 19 01:52:20 have they got you too?! Apr 19 01:52:59 can someone plese just respond Apr 19 01:53:17 fudge monkeys Apr 19 01:53:25 are on you coke Apr 19 01:53:31 are you on coke Apr 19 01:53:31 finally Apr 19 01:53:33 fck Apr 19 01:53:42 im on marajuana Apr 19 01:53:54 well, thats no reason to act like you're under coke Apr 19 01:54:21 "gurgle, gurgle, hack, hack!" Apr 19 01:54:37 glass: can u help me Apr 19 01:55:45 cant install gsfonts on os2008 on my N800. Apr 19 02:26:16 FireFox: you be crazy? Apr 19 02:27:22 nah, sorry if my nick changes are driving you crazy, i'm on ubuntu-offtopic atm ;) Apr 19 02:27:51 (funny, crazy channel) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 19 02:59:57 2009