**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 19 02:59:57 2009 Apr 19 03:09:54 hello Apr 19 03:39:31 stupid chasing of a ball around a room trumps politico-drama Kings... stupid basketball Apr 19 03:40:06 oh nice Apr 19 03:40:11 now that I don't have Maemo running Apr 19 03:40:14 no RAM shortage at all Apr 19 03:45:57 gn Apr 19 03:52:22 so, I just got done doing some, albeit non-extensive, searching about making a viop call from my handheld (Nokia n810) to a cell phone. Skype appears to charge for this type of call...I was not aware of this. The Apr 19 03:52:39 "internet call" application also does not appear to support this. Apr 19 03:52:56 what am I missing? Apr 19 03:53:04 (much, I'm sure) Apr 19 03:53:31 good morning Apr 19 03:54:24 I compiled gaim for the N800, in src/protocols there are .la and .lo files but no .so... Apr 19 03:56:49 Snaht: "Internet Call" does support it Apr 19 03:56:54 Snaht: just get a SIP service Apr 19 03:57:04 Snaht: or use gtalk2voip Apr 19 03:57:38 ah, I'll check that out. Thank you. Apr 19 03:57:41 np Apr 19 03:58:10 Snaht: no matter what, though, you'll be paying for non-tollfree calls ;) Apr 19 03:59:54 anyone know if the Diablo kernel supports kexec? Apr 19 04:03:02 luke-jr: you can compile your kernel self... Apr 19 04:03:51 radic_: that defeats the point Apr 19 04:04:02 I just wants to make my kernel choosable on the bootmenu :/ Apr 19 04:04:07 luke-jr: I think the default-kernel wouldn't support it Apr 19 04:04:37 sigh Apr 19 04:04:50 any way to get Fn to work in the console? Apr 19 04:05:07 luke-jr: but you dosn't need kexec() If you want to boot it Apr 19 04:05:16 radic_: ? Apr 19 04:05:20 luke-jr: By that, do you mean that I'll be paying for the Internet connection, however I connect to the Internet? Or, does that mean there will be some sort of charges incurred, somewhere, if I try to make the call? Apr 19 04:05:30 Snaht: phone calls have a cost Apr 19 04:05:36 radic_: how else would the boot menu change kernel? Apr 19 04:06:06 luke-jr: the bootloder loads the kernel image... Apr 19 04:06:47 luke-jr: kexec() is for switching the kernel on the running system Apr 19 04:08:03 I thought the bootloader was already a running system…? Apr 19 04:09:38 the bootloader loads the kernel-image and executes it Apr 19 04:09:55 the image loades the modules Apr 19 04:10:07 mounts the file system Apr 19 04:10:18 and executs the init-process Apr 19 04:10:45 but the bootloader is a sh script.. Apr 19 04:10:47 :/ Apr 19 04:11:28 <-- confused Apr 19 04:12:27 /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh Apr 19 04:14:18 ok, then you have to load a new kernel with kexec() Apr 19 04:15:05 hmm, is it possible to replace nolo withe lilo? Apr 19 04:32:00 LILO sucks Apr 19 04:32:02 nobody uses that anymore Apr 19 04:32:06 GRUB replaced it Apr 19 04:34:08 and both LILO and GRUB are inherently BIOS/x86 Apr 19 04:42:36 I use lilo on my notebook Apr 19 05:08:20 hmm Apr 19 05:08:39 why are the .so files not compiled from gaim...? Apr 19 05:12:07 cuz gaim sucks and is obsolete? Apr 19 05:12:18 why are you trying to use so much obsolete stuff? Apr 19 05:12:48 gaim is very dated Apr 19 05:13:20 I dated gaim once... Apr 19 05:13:31 pidgin is really the same beast Apr 19 05:13:56 luke-jr: I only want get a protocoll-module auf gaim running withe pidgim Apr 19 05:14:25 \q Apr 19 05:19:49 http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/btchat/ Apr 19 05:42:53 morning Apr 19 06:31:35 luke-jr: kexec doesn\t function properly on n8x0 Apr 19 06:31:42 :/ Apr 19 06:31:59 looks like the more merged kernels aren't quite there in quality yet anyway Apr 19 06:32:07 which leaves me no good solution for vt console Apr 19 06:32:15 eh. Apr 19 06:32:17 fbcon? Apr 19 06:32:55 I guess Apr 19 06:32:55 just build the module for fbcon Apr 19 06:33:00 that's what we do Apr 19 06:33:04 Stskeeps: I mean keyboard input Apr 19 06:33:07 the Fn key is ignored Apr 19 06:33:56 yes, the Fn key is impressively funny Apr 19 06:34:11 there's a maemo.org bug on it, look at mer sprint pages Apr 19 06:34:45 morning qwerty12 Apr 19 06:35:00 ello Stskeeps Apr 19 06:35:04 how's stuff? Apr 19 06:35:13 "there's a bug on it" doesn't help me :p Apr 19 06:35:27 sure it does, it explains the issue Apr 19 06:35:29 morning all Apr 19 06:35:31 Stskeeps: I'm all good, thanks, how about you? Apr 19 06:35:33 you can probably make a console keymap Apr 19 06:35:34 morning RST38h Apr 19 06:35:38 qwerty12: early up in a cold house Apr 19 06:35:45 heh :/ Apr 19 06:36:25 Stskeeps: is poland nice place? Apr 19 06:36:58 yeah, beautiful nature, hot girls.. Apr 19 06:37:54 hehe Apr 19 06:37:57 and many talented ict people there too Apr 19 06:39:04 well that stems from a nature science education in primary schools that is a lot better than the hippie western ones where focus is on the soul and intrepretations of texts where the only explanation is, actually, "the author smoked a lot of weed and had gf trouble" Apr 19 06:39:53 yeah Apr 19 06:40:52 (as i may have said before, i'm danish, but engaged to a polish girl :P) Apr 19 06:42:19 we in .fi are quite east but we only had linus but he moved away Apr 19 06:42:50 on the other hand you have nokia, and cute girls too :P Apr 19 06:43:21 Sts: and Denmark does not? =) Apr 19 06:43:37 Stskeeps: you have carlsberg Apr 19 06:43:45 RST38h: my tastes lay rather in eastern european girls. weakness :P Apr 19 06:44:01 heh Apr 19 06:47:09 * Stskeeps ponders what today will bring Apr 19 06:47:39 apocalypse! Apr 19 06:48:25 probabl Apr 19 06:48:34 i'm going to a ballet it seems, so close Apr 19 07:11:24 Sts: it's ok, you can sleep it over Apr 19 07:11:40 i should bring my tablet. Apr 19 07:12:02 bring a pillow =) Apr 19 07:14:46 RST38h: his tablet is his pillow ;p Apr 19 07:15:42 poor tablet Apr 19 07:16:04 poor head... Apr 19 07:16:51 * RST38h finds his E70 way more convenient to bring along though (which is a real pity) Apr 19 07:16:54 * jaem browses the internet on the NIT embedded in Stskeep's skull Apr 19 07:17:08 jaem: ssh into his brain and run htop! Apr 19 07:17:20 haha Apr 19 07:17:33 I was thinking a privelage escalation exploit Apr 19 07:17:52 * jaem gains root@Stskeep-brain Apr 19 07:17:53 RST38h: there are occasional processes in my brain i wouldn't mind to kill once in a while. Apr 19 07:17:54 jaem: And what would you do with higher privileges? Make him piss? Apr 19 07:18:08 no... but I'd have access to his bank account :P Apr 19 07:18:19 Sts: Do it the Windows way, shut it down periodically =) Apr 19 07:18:47 Sts: you might want to install a new one, while you're at it Apr 19 07:18:52 jaem: Not really, the passwords are stored in a file named and-some-other-junk Apr 19 07:19:01 and make sure it has 8x the performance, or it won't be able to keep up with the latest version Apr 19 07:19:20 jaem: i'm so there when brain implants for information lookup comes out Apr 19 07:19:32 Stskeeps: plaintext? Seriously? Don't you take security seriously, now that Google has Brain Search? Apr 19 07:20:04 I don't look at my password, but immediately run it through 8kb RSA, and memorize that Apr 19 07:20:15 it adds a bit of overhead to four-digit bank PINs, though Apr 19 07:20:15 hehe Apr 19 07:20:20 bbl, gf awake Apr 19 07:20:37 bye Apr 19 07:21:08 got an external interrupt Apr 19 07:21:13 an NMI even... Apr 19 07:21:15 NMI Apr 19 07:21:18 beat me... Apr 19 07:28:33 got couple wifi routers and one seems to drain tablet battery faster?! is it possible and why is that? Apr 19 07:32:19 I believe there's something on the forums about that Apr 19 07:32:27 I vaguely remember seeing something of the sort Apr 19 07:32:30 ~wifi-psm Apr 19 07:32:31 [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Apr 19 07:32:32 perhaps Apr 19 07:32:37 qwerty12: that'd be it Apr 19 07:33:08 That page used to exist.. no wait, X-Chat can't highlight links properly Apr 19 07:40:14 good moaning Apr 19 07:40:23 how to know which routers support psm and which doesn't? can i see it on signal somehow? Apr 19 07:43:28 my battery drainer router is some zyxel which isp gives free to customers Apr 19 07:44:27 Stskeeps: I have a keymap, mostly. Apr 19 07:44:51 thux, if ISPs are giving them away for free, they probably don't. Apr 19 07:44:56 Stskeeps: Fn is keycode 464, which standard kbd doesn't work :< Apr 19 07:45:14 old linksys wrt seems give longer battery life Apr 19 07:45:32 luke-jr: bingo Apr 19 07:46:02 Stskeeps: will need to patch kbd :x Apr 19 07:46:09 oh well, tomorrow Apr 19 07:46:13 I am way overdue for bed Apr 19 07:46:20 btw, it's nice to have a pipe key ;) Apr 19 07:46:42 night Apr 19 07:57:06 why is there atscene and digi@scene, in the repo, when they are the same thing arent they? Apr 19 07:57:48 zakkm: digi@scene is the correct name Apr 19 07:58:01 atscene was a mistake and they want that removed Apr 19 07:58:05 oh Apr 19 07:58:21 i got atscene like few days ago, and then saw a digi@scene in repository im like hmm is it the same? Apr 19 08:21:04 lbt: debhelper is installed Apr 19 08:35:54 hi Apr 19 08:36:02 lo Apr 19 08:36:10 got it? Apr 19 08:36:13 its out of customs now Apr 19 08:36:17 lol Apr 19 08:36:28 still not at your house? =) Apr 19 08:36:29 will get it when home on thursday Apr 19 08:36:34 awesome Apr 19 08:36:43 in poland from yesterday Apr 19 08:36:55 poland? Apr 19 08:36:59 why? Apr 19 08:37:16 small vacation with fiancé Apr 19 08:37:18 e Apr 19 08:37:30 in poland? Apr 19 08:37:38 yeah - polish gf Apr 19 08:37:41 is she polish? Apr 19 08:37:43 ah Apr 19 08:38:15 heh. there are a lot of poles here in chicago Apr 19 08:38:30 at parents in law and going to the apartment we'll live in from sep today Apr 19 08:39:40 well. im about to go home. let me know when you get the n800 Apr 19 08:40:44 StsN800: btw Apr 19 08:41:02 have you ever set up an auth server in osol or nexenta? Apr 19 08:41:46 i wanted to set up an auth server using the main box for it and i suppose oldap + kerberos + nfs Apr 19 08:43:17 was going to google info on it but was wondering if you had a good page to explain it? tried a while back with fbsd and linus and it was a total failure Apr 19 08:43:27 linux Apr 19 08:46:04 haven't personally, but ldap.. get slapd? Apr 19 08:51:23 * lcuk strolls over to the coffe machine Apr 19 08:51:59 * qwerty12 modifies it to bring out the energy drinks Apr 19 08:53:08 that wont help Apr 19 08:53:30 Bah, you coffee/tea drinking type Apr 19 08:53:31 +s Apr 19 08:53:44 heh Apr 19 09:00:14 slapd? Apr 19 09:00:22 they have that for nexenta? Apr 19 09:01:49 ah well. time to go Apr 19 09:34:56 Jaffa: thanks - I actually need cdbs :) Apr 19 09:35:33 * lbt goes back to trying to make the windows on his TVR actually close Apr 19 09:35:58 lbt, carputer or real glass ones? Apr 19 09:37:05 the ones that are supposed to keep the rain out Apr 19 09:40:44 lbt: installed Apr 19 09:41:44 quilt? Apr 19 09:50:41 lbt: done Apr 19 11:12:29 hi Apr 19 11:41:14 Jaffa: ta ... that's done it :) Apr 19 11:58:49 hola Apr 19 12:00:44 hi lopz Apr 19 12:01:04 Jaffa, thank you for the stuff you mentioned on ciros clock about sleeping till next needed :) Apr 19 12:01:06 unsigned long ticks = liqapp_GetTicks(); Apr 19 12:01:07 ticks = ticks % 1000; Apr 19 12:01:07 vcell_propseti(self,"timerinterval", (1000-ticks)+10 ); Apr 19 12:01:21 ^ seconds tick for a new clock :) Apr 19 12:01:32 i wouldv just left it refreshing every .25 sec ;) Apr 19 12:52:00 hello maemo Apr 19 12:56:26 hey wazd :) Apr 19 12:56:37 * maemo nick zakkm Apr 19 12:56:56 :) Apr 19 13:18:51 ping Apr 19 13:19:15 heya wazd Apr 19 13:19:30 hi to you too Apr 19 13:24:05 hey RST38h, wazd, halfghost Apr 19 13:24:24 + zakkm Apr 19 13:24:32 heyy :) Apr 19 13:25:38 wazd, i have a visual layout designer on windows now :D Apr 19 13:29:53 * RST38h suspects lcuk is running vnc on the tablet to connect to that windows machine Apr 19 13:30:06 heh Apr 19 13:30:11 its worse than that ;) Apr 19 13:30:23 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090418_015403.lib.scr.png and http://liqbase.net/interface_design_test.png Apr 19 13:31:20 phone here Apr 19 13:31:40 pardon Apr 19 13:32:32 another 30 minutes and I am back to civilization, mbpses, and big screens Apr 19 13:34:38 lcuk: is that your idea for liqbase? Apr 19 13:35:03 no, its just easier coding up an export from there than writing the layouts by hand Apr 19 13:35:27 ive got lots of prototypes to build and ive already got the layouts in vb Apr 19 13:50:42 disk full on maemo.org? Apr 19 13:50:58 heh keesj what are you building Apr 19 13:51:17 http://www.paste-it.net/raw/public/ca180ac/ Apr 19 13:51:25 no the website I duess Apr 19 13:51:42 guess Apr 19 13:52:03 you should be able to have a peek though Apr 19 13:53:07 or havent you got root access yet :D Apr 19 13:53:28 df -h should be reveasling a lot Apr 19 13:54:38 maemo is using netapp. that's good. Apr 19 13:54:44 what other hardware is there? Apr 19 14:14:25 is it safe to edit the alarmd xml file by hand, or is there some kind of tool for removing multiple redundant entries? Apr 19 14:16:03 it's safe but there's a tool called alarmtool (or something) in some nokia repo somewhere Apr 19 14:16:54 oh joy... Apr 19 14:18:44 ~rx-51 Apr 19 14:18:45 hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html Apr 19 14:20:23 hi ... someone knows if there is any problem with cmake in scratchbox? Apr 19 14:38:02 bah, editing anything related to alarmd didnt help the entries seems to simply recreate themselves... Apr 19 14:40:32 GeneralAntilles: on what highlight page: "Fremantle pre-alpha release revealed even more interesting things about the potential hardware that weren't contained in the not-announcement from the Summit" <- What were those? I'm curious Apr 19 14:48:01 konttori_: Apr 19 14:48:03 ~rx-51 Apr 19 14:48:04 i guess rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html Apr 19 14:49:06 GeneralAntilles: yeah, but that link above says that there were surprises. I wonder what those were Apr 19 14:50:44 konttori_, accelerometers, fm rx/tx, a second camera. Apr 19 14:50:59 bah, i hate it when the tablet runs low on internal storage, the errors are just weird... Apr 19 14:51:53 fm rx/tx would be a great Apr 19 14:52:39 easy to stream favorite channels to car .. or home stereos Apr 19 15:44:12 Sorry, blame the mer h-i-m... Apr 19 15:54:49 Vivin poniendo nombr;) Apr 19 16:05:36 lcuk, I can see your conversion from the dark side is not yet complete. Apr 19 16:05:56 "from" or "to"? Apr 19 16:06:08 Either way Apr 19 16:06:09 hi. Apr 19 16:06:16 Depends on your perspective, I guess. Apr 19 16:06:22 Hi, roope. Apr 19 16:06:27 heh gen Apr 19 16:06:35 Are there are new speculations for today? ;) Apr 19 16:06:51 Nope, but we've got plenty of especulations. :P Apr 19 16:07:07 Can somebody over in Helsinki hit Quim for me? :P Apr 19 16:08:14 For what? :) Apr 19 16:08:40 * lcuk waves @ roope \o Apr 19 16:08:42 what item do you prefer him to be hit with? Apr 19 16:08:51 He keeps using "especulation" Apr 19 16:09:01 e-bollocks then? Apr 19 16:09:05 Ah. He's espanish. ;) Apr 19 16:09:07 Something soft and light, it's a minor infraction. ;) Apr 19 16:10:55 lcuk, next time you bring out that council silliness I _am_ going to hit you. Apr 19 16:11:49 why, you above all others should be holding up your nokia tablet as an active worthwhile device (which it is) Apr 19 16:12:10 That's a separate argument. Apr 19 16:12:23 My council position is totally irrelevant to that discussion. Apr 19 16:12:42 and I'm _really_ sick of people falling back to that as an argument. Apr 19 16:14:25 but we are not stuck with a dead platform nor obscolete hardware which are your words, the tablet might not be a super shiney horse, but its versatile and can run lots of things, and theres the whole Mer project (remember, its Maemo Reconstructed) to push us forward with everything we need Apr 19 16:14:39 Diablo is dead Apr 19 16:14:50 it might be, but we aint stuck with it Apr 19 16:14:52 It's no longer being developed and nobody in their right mind will pick it up. Apr 19 16:15:09 lcuk: checked the version of the libraries recently? Apr 19 16:15:16 s/version/versions/ Apr 19 16:15:16 qwerty12 meant: lcuk: checked the versions of the libraries recently? Apr 19 16:15:30 My point is, the community is stuck with a piece of hardware that doesn't have any day-to-day usable replacement software and is finished with vendor support. Apr 19 16:15:41 There's nothing to upgrade to Apr 19 16:16:02 My point was that that makes communities antsy and prone to bickering. Apr 19 16:16:04 Nothing more. Apr 19 16:17:26 qwerty12, yeah, but are you stuck with diablo? Apr 19 16:17:42 what's the equiv situation for another system/community? Apr 19 16:17:44 If you're somebody who wants to be productive day-to-day, yes. Apr 19 16:17:47 lcuk: So far, I'd say yes. Apr 19 16:19:12 Now, that might change in a few months Apr 19 16:19:20 but that doesn't change the situation today. Apr 19 16:19:21 Most computers in my house has older software than Diablo :) Apr 19 16:19:29 is this a short term problem then? Apr 19 16:19:41 GeneralAntilles: Ah. Cool. Accelerometers would be nice - especially if they are/would be accurate enough. Apr 19 16:20:24 konttori, the part looks decent enough on DigiKey Apr 19 16:20:32 hi Apr 19 16:20:43 Ah. cool. Apr 19 16:21:34 I want some gyros too :) Apr 19 16:21:36 Accelerometer + digital compass :-) Apr 19 16:21:58 The audio out is going to be top-notch Apr 19 16:22:05 Really nice TI headphone amp Apr 19 16:22:23 And a better GPS .. (not having used GPSs much, I've no idea of the quality, but it does indeed take an incredibly long time to sync) Apr 19 16:22:35 * RST38h actually likes n810 audio out Apr 19 16:22:43 way better than anything else I have in the house Apr 19 16:22:43 RST38h, well you're deaf Apr 19 16:22:49 I am, true Apr 19 16:22:49 so if you took a photo with it it would know gps, and all angles, so you could instantly accurately place it on google earth? Apr 19 16:23:14 Interestingly enough, the GPS is the one part that wasn't mentioned in the kernel. Apr 19 16:23:16 GPS will most likely remain the same, don't get your hopes high Apr 19 16:23:23 hi guys Apr 19 16:23:33 General: Well it does not have to Apr 19 16:23:43 * konttori has no clue about the gps quality, but usually they haven't been exactly stellar on nokia devices Apr 19 16:23:49 the N810 audio is a bit silly. If you sit in a quiet room, you can hear noise from the built-in speakers. There's noise when audio is activated, and then the noise goes away when audio is deactivated. So, if you have touchscreen sounds on, it's something like *ping*sshhhhhhhhhhhhh-click *ping*shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-click Apr 19 16:23:55 General: the 5300 chip is connected via standard SPI or RS232 interfaces Apr 19 16:24:17 Yeah it needs no kernel support Apr 19 16:24:23 i want to backup my os before flashing and dual booting it Apr 19 16:24:32 ShadowJK: If you heard audio from my ASUS Digimatrix, may its designers be cursed with white noise forever... Apr 19 16:25:04 * rmt wonders why somebody goes to the bother of manually posting spam (it has a captcha) to a personal blog's contact page. Apr 19 16:25:09 how to backup everything: apps, config ? Apr 19 16:25:19 tar Apr 19 16:26:07 you're right Apr 19 16:26:53 rmt, it's a big industry now. Spammers have tools that detect captcha's and send it through special software for human to solve it. They have sweatshops in poor countries with children chained to computers, solving captchas 16 hours per day. If they're lucky and solve many correctly, they even get fed Apr 19 16:27:01 GeneralAntilles: lol Apr 19 16:27:10 GeneralAntilles: i could make that guy a custom deb... :P Apr 19 16:27:26 rmt: They direct your captchas to porno sites and make poor wankers solve them to get some pussy images Apr 19 16:27:36 rm_you, I'm thinking we might drop the warning string, though. Apr 19 16:27:36 that too Apr 19 16:27:45 GeneralAntilles: ? why' Apr 19 16:28:00 rm_you, it's ugly Apr 19 16:28:07 We have a confirmation dialog for it anyway, right? Apr 19 16:28:11 lol Apr 19 16:28:22 i've read a long howto for installing ubuntu Apr 19 16:28:34 Oh, an ontopic question, does N800 have a microphone? Apr 19 16:28:41 is there a shorter way ? Apr 19 16:28:51 ShadowJK, that giant hole in the top center? Apr 19 16:29:10 what giant... Apr 19 16:29:10 oh Apr 19 16:29:12 right Apr 19 16:29:36 and what about sound ? Apr 19 16:29:46 I like the 770's "paperclip reset button" headphone port. Apr 19 16:30:23 Yes, you *must* stab it with a needle Apr 19 16:31:57 GeneralAntilles: yeah I suppose Apr 19 16:32:02 we need to finish off translations Apr 19 16:32:08 which ones are we missing? Apr 19 16:32:12 * rm_you checks Apr 19 16:32:17 Dunno Apr 19 16:32:23 We're gonna be adding strings soon anyway. Apr 19 16:32:30 qwerty gave me some patches Apr 19 16:32:35 Should probably stay unstable for most of the summer. Apr 19 16:32:38 i'll apply those and release in a week or two Apr 19 16:32:47 after this gets some downloads :P Apr 19 16:32:50 make you happy, lol Apr 19 16:34:22 also, i think "top rated" needs to be reviewed, cause it basically only goes to things no one uses.... since theres a chance of someone random giving a low rating and everything on top has all 5s, but has like 8 reviews total, ours has 40 and has like one lower rating, so got knocked off >_> Apr 19 16:35:11 Yeah Apr 19 16:35:23 A minimum review requirement could be useful for that list Apr 19 16:35:28 or like Apr 19 16:35:32 do an AVERAGE Apr 19 16:35:35 err Apr 19 16:35:36 or something Apr 19 16:35:37 i dunno Apr 19 16:35:44 Ooor, we just wait for Maemo 5 and the insane influx of users. Apr 19 16:35:46 weight it so things with more reviews get higher Apr 19 16:35:49 lol Apr 19 16:36:06 is this going to be needed in maemo5? will i need to do porting? Apr 19 16:36:06 Well, we do have an in with the webmaster Apr 19 16:36:10 maybe some ballot stuffing. :P Apr 19 16:36:32 lol Apr 19 16:36:47 My bet is on Nokia shipping the display applet with 3 levels. Apr 19 16:36:54 i dont want to just shove ours to the top... i mean, my motivation isn't entirely selfless, but i AM just asking it be fair Apr 19 16:37:01 rofl yeah :P Apr 19 16:37:06 if trends continue... :P Apr 19 16:37:32 OK, maybe 2 Apr 19 16:37:35 display settings on the maemo5 device: Bright (80%), Bright (90%), Bright (95%) Apr 19 16:37:39 ON and OFF Apr 19 16:37:54 I'll guarantee you the applets wont be combined Apr 19 16:37:55 can't get below 80 and can't QUITE get brightest :P Apr 19 16:37:59 or have any cool features Apr 19 16:37:59 yeah... Apr 19 16:38:01 truth Apr 19 16:38:08 Or be open source Apr 19 16:38:11 qwerty's patches do good things Apr 19 16:38:15 So, yeah, plan on porting. Apr 19 16:38:24 gives me links to the official applet's control panels tho Apr 19 16:38:26 That goddamn qwerty12. Apr 19 16:38:44 MUAHAHAHAHAHA Apr 19 16:38:44 which would have been nice a year ago, but with plans for a replacement... Apr 19 16:38:56 still, i'm gonna put em in prolly Apr 19 16:39:02 well, at least one of them Apr 19 16:39:06 the hardware button one Apr 19 16:39:11 Mer needs some control panels. Apr 19 16:39:12 Actually, it's only for the "Display Settings" Apr 19 16:39:26 not sure about the control panel links, as i've been trying to avoid issues that come up if people mess with the brightness control panel Apr 19 16:39:40 Adding "Sound Settings" took too much space and I opened the Display one more than I did the Sound one Apr 19 16:39:43 Ah, fair enough Apr 19 16:39:45 though that code will be useful when we have our OWN control panel and I need to link to it Apr 19 16:40:00 so, thanks :P Apr 19 16:40:04 :P Apr 19 16:40:32 qwerty12: you have a decently updated kernel with the full patchset? Apr 19 16:40:44 i want rotation back, but dont want to switch to the kernel from like last year >_> Apr 19 16:40:53 Oh, I have a latest kernel, but decent? Apr 19 16:40:54 i think when i tried it bricked my SD install Apr 19 16:41:12 which i suppose i could fix but i've been lazy Apr 19 16:41:29 The mer_kernel is a nice stable one: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/ Apr 19 16:41:40 No 48Mhz SD speed though, if that is your thing Apr 19 16:43:56 * Corsac wants a 2.6.29 kernel Apr 19 16:43:59 and a pony! Apr 19 16:44:02 Grr, opening a CDBS debian/rules always makes me mumble obscenities Apr 19 16:44:04 hihi Apr 19 16:45:14 Did Fremantle move to 28 or 29? Apr 19 16:45:45