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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 22 02:59:57 2009 Apr 22 03:41:33 pupnik_, I think it uses more ram than microb :) Apr 22 03:46:17 has anyone bought an n810 from there (or, if you were to buy an n810, would you buy this?) http://www.justmywireless.com/product_info.php?products_id=389?osCsid=9757f121144babdb32b21b02284cc6b3 Apr 22 03:49:37 z4chh: they're always sold out ;p Apr 22 03:50:07 i think all their stuff is used though :\ Apr 22 03:50:42 i don't like how there is not a description of the quality of the used product Apr 22 03:52:36 z4chh: I got mine used off ebay for about the same price Apr 22 03:52:55 im not to fond of "used" Apr 22 03:53:09 i prefer a fresh device with fresh battery and such Apr 22 03:55:22 Li-Ion batteries degrade from the date of manufacture :) Apr 22 03:55:28 even if unused Apr 22 03:55:57 â€Ľ! Apr 22 03:56:18 ShadowJK, they probably degrade faster though as use increases Apr 22 03:56:22 xD Apr 22 03:56:47 Yeah, keeping them fully charged, or fully discharged will accelerate it, as well as keeping them warm Apr 22 03:58:27 ShadowJK, so should i not have my batter charged fully when i don't use my n800 for a period of time? Apr 22 04:00:33 If you want to prolong its life I'd say switch your n800 off when you have 3 bars left Apr 22 04:00:52 and remove it Apr 22 04:03:56 slonopotamus_: hi Apr 22 04:05:48 If you're using it, charge often. You don't need to run down the battery before charging, it does more harm than good. Apr 22 04:10:39 luke-jr, hello Apr 22 04:11:22 thanks ShadowJK Apr 22 04:27:32 i think ill get this Apr 22 04:27:33 http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C Apr 22 05:11:57 Morning Apr 22 05:46:53 morning Apr 22 05:47:36 yay UGT Apr 22 07:10:50 Morning, all Apr 22 07:13:06 #distroflamewar is fun Apr 22 07:34:19 luke-jr: do they know what they talk in #distroflamewar? Apr 22 07:34:34 right now they're bashing me for being married I think Apr 22 07:35:13 ah i thought that they speak linux distributions Apr 22 07:35:38 once upon a time Apr 22 07:35:45 I think someone mentioned FreeBSD recently Apr 22 07:36:47 always wondered why distribution wars, same kernel, same programs Apr 22 07:37:13 thux: yeah, we should try arguing KDE vs GNOME instead Apr 22 07:37:39 GNOME is better because it has more letters Apr 22 07:38:06 probably much better cause for war Apr 22 07:39:04 Xfce is best anyway Apr 22 07:39:14 Xfce is GTK Apr 22 07:39:16 automatic fail Apr 22 07:39:35 you fail Apr 22 07:41:45 xfce4 â™Ą Apr 22 07:46:15 Real geeks need no desktop environment Apr 22 07:46:37 All they need is rm, ls, cp, mkdir, more, and mail Apr 22 07:46:53 do they need X? Apr 22 07:46:56 no. Apr 22 07:47:09 except as a way to run 4 xterms maybe Apr 22 07:47:45 i dunno. I would really miss stuff like screen Apr 22 07:48:03 johnx: ok, replace X with screen =) Apr 22 07:48:14 I'm headed that way on my zaurus these days Apr 22 07:48:22 can graphical browsers run without X? Apr 22 07:48:25 (no, you are not getting lynx, use wget | more =)) Apr 22 07:48:38 RST38h, fine, then s/mail/telnet/ Apr 22 07:48:46 thux: real geeks need no graphical browsers Apr 22 07:48:47 mail is a sad, crippled subset of telnet Apr 22 07:48:58 johnx: true Apr 22 07:49:06 johnx: actually, no, not true Apr 22 07:49:22 ok thought they managed to run them in framebuffer somehow Apr 22 07:49:22 johnx: s/mail/more because "mail" actually works on a local folder Apr 22 07:49:38 johnx: of course you need no pop3 or imap Apr 22 07:49:52 anyone who isn't on the local machine isn't worth talking to? Apr 22 07:49:55 johnx: these are evil and unsecure anyway Apr 22 07:50:07 johnx: sendmail will handle them for you Apr 22 07:50:11 thux, they can in some cases Apr 22 07:50:16 ugh. sendmail. Apr 22 07:50:32 ok, I think you can keep your crusty old sendmail Apr 22 07:50:35 sendmail.cf Apr 22 07:50:37 you DO know how to configure sendmail.cf, don't you? ;) Apr 22 07:50:42 you fail Apr 22 07:50:42 *** ceyusa (n=ceyusa@83.165.216.16) has joined channel #maemo Apr 22 07:50:42 *** simboss (n=simone@79.36.54.96) has joined channel #maemo Apr 22 07:50:42 xfce4 Îż˝?Îż˝ Apr 22 07:50:42 *** parazitus (n=hands@217.21.60.184) has joined channel #maemo Apr 22 07:50:57 hm? Apr 22 07:50:59 Shit, that was an accidental right mouse button press Apr 22 07:51:12 (see what I mean by saying that real geeks need no desktop environment? :)) Apr 22 07:51:22 hehehe, Apr 22 07:51:32 maybe you'd be better off with something that had a one-button mouse :> Apr 22 07:51:36 * Myrtti uses xfce4 to get the terminal and the surroundings pink Apr 22 07:51:39 you just don'tÂ need a RMB Apr 22 07:51:43 johnx: aha :) Apr 22 07:51:45 johnx <-- evil! Apr 22 07:51:46 here in fi isps prevent :25 usage Apr 22 07:53:00 can't send mail or receive mail without relay to mail hub Apr 22 07:55:26 "20 tons of frozen fish stolen from a truck in the center of Moscow" Apr 22 07:55:44 johnx: What would YOU do with 20 tons of stolen fish, btw? =) Apr 22 07:55:51 RST38h, trucker's response: "not again!" Apr 22 07:56:25 I have some sharp and nokia people to smack :> Apr 22 07:56:26 johnx: oh, that is not the worst no-again event that happened here Apr 22 07:57:34 johnx: some Polish guy once broke an ammonia pipeline with lorry, that was hilarious Apr 22 07:58:03 wow. bet it sucked to be him Apr 22 07:58:10 johnx: Especially considering that he fled afterwards Apr 22 07:58:21 man, I'd run too Apr 22 07:58:29 amonia is not the most awesome thing to breathe Apr 22 07:58:36 it's not even on my top ten list Apr 22 07:58:53 johnx: "Fled" as in "ran away not wishing to be found" Apr 22 07:59:37 i bet they found him anyways Apr 22 08:00:02 johnx: most likely, I did not keep track of the story Apr 22 08:00:57 johnx: but the absolute crown is taken by the builders who hammered several piles into a running subway train Apr 22 08:01:29 johnx: ok, it wasn't running after the first one went in, but anyways Apr 22 08:33:53 hi Apr 22 08:38:14 Where i can found nokia 770 programs? Thanks. Apr 22 08:38:49 there are some listed on maemo.org/downloads (under os2006), some listed on gronmayer.com/it Apr 22 08:39:04 but there was never a really centralized place to find programs for os2006 Apr 22 08:39:28 the situation gradually got better over time, but people kind of moved on from the 770 it seems Apr 22 08:40:57 thanks johnx i want to test a bluetooh gps with maemo mapper or another program with maps. Apr 22 09:04:04 hi Apr 22 09:04:41 a couldn't find g_ether.ko in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/kernel-version/ Apr 22 09:04:57 where i can download it from? Apr 22 09:06:55 good morning Apr 22 09:09:57 morning :) Apr 22 10:08:26 * lcuk peeks in Apr 22 10:10:29 * GeneralAntilles shuts the door on lcuk's nose. Apr 22 10:13:41 * lcuk laughs cos i was stood at the window Apr 22 10:15:14 * GeneralAntilles detonates the trace explosives on the glass. Apr 22 10:16:16 X-Fade, having fun yet? Apr 22 10:16:30 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, all kinds of little tweaks ;) Apr 22 10:17:36 X-Fade, I can't logout, server issue? Apr 22 10:17:55 Neithan is playing with login atm. Apr 22 10:21:05 x-fade, are you playing at being manager today or have you rolled up your sleeves to do this one Apr 22 10:21:23 lcuk: Check maemo2midgard commits ;) Apr 22 10:22:19 Just a long string of profanity? ;) Apr 22 10:22:34 * lcuk looks oooh you have been busy \/ Apr 22 10:43:31 morning (just) all Apr 22 11:11:47 Interesting. Reduced competition may be good for Nokia. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090422PD214.html Apr 22 11:15:29 General: It is a crowded segment with no customers, so no wonder Apr 22 11:15:44 Probably does not affect Nokia much though Apr 22 11:17:26 RST38h, crowded how? Apr 22 11:17:32 There's barely a product on the market. Apr 22 11:17:47 I'd say the generic MID has plenty of customers. Apr 22 11:18:02 Intel's MID, however, is just too damn expensive and too laptop-like. Apr 22 11:20:41 General: Well, let us see: samsung,lg,asus, and a bunch of chinese nonames all have mids Apr 22 11:21:08 General: local computer market here offers at least 5 different models Apr 22 11:21:13 Samsung has UMPCs Apr 22 11:21:20 General: But have you seen anyone actually BUYING them? Apr 22 11:21:35 General: MID, UMPC, what the hell is the difference? CPU price? Apr 22 11:21:43 Size Apr 22 11:21:50 About the same if you ask me Apr 22 11:21:57 There are smaller and larger ones Apr 22 11:21:57 Well, you'd be wrong. Apr 22 11:22:11 Well, even Samsung UMPC, which is pretty large, still isn't large enough Apr 22 11:22:17 Sony UMPC is tiny Apr 22 11:22:22 "tiny" Apr 22 11:22:47 Anyways, as a consumer, I see no difference between these, other than slight difference in size and in price Apr 22 11:22:49 Read up on the differences between the formfactors Apr 22 11:22:58 Of course your UMPCs (which are not MIDs) aren't selling. Apr 22 11:23:00 General: Oh, I know the official definition Apr 22 11:23:12 General: The thing is that neither is selling Apr 22 11:23:31 Nokia seems to be selling plenty of them. Apr 22 11:23:36 General: Netbooks sell as cheap laptops running Windoze. MIDs and UMPCs just do not sell Apr 22 11:23:48 General: NIT is not MID. Apr 22 11:23:49 umpc's tend to be called umpc's instead of mids because they cost a shitload Apr 22 11:23:56 Yeah, this is a semantics argument. Apr 22 11:24:00 General: Intel defines MID as an Intel based device Apr 22 11:24:06 While I'm not interested in having (again). Apr 22 11:24:16 General: it is, partially, but look at it from a different point of view: Apr 22 11:24:20 expensive shit doesn't sell very well, doh.. Apr 22 11:24:46 General: NIT is basically a smartphone + kbd Apr 22 11:25:05 General: MID is basically a laptop Apr 22 11:25:12 Yeah, not interested in the semantics argument. Apr 22 11:25:25 General: It *may* sound like semantics but a customer who sees N8x0 sees a phone Apr 22 11:25:44 But when you see a MID or UMPC, you basically see a laptop without keyboard Apr 22 11:26:15 they see it as a phone only because it reads NOKIA on it Apr 22 11:26:16 two totally different devices for a layman Apr 22 11:26:29 glass: that too, but also because it sells at the same places as phones Apr 22 11:26:44 glass: and behaves like a nokia phone in many aspects Apr 22 11:26:50 whereas mids and umpc's you don't see for sale anywhere Apr 22 11:26:56 glass: I do Apr 22 11:27:05 glass: They sell with laptops, same outlets Apr 22 11:27:06 i don't, in general Apr 22 11:27:12 Nor do I. Apr 22 11:27:13 i havent ever seen an oqo in flesh for example Apr 22 11:27:15 glass: In here, I see them Apr 22 11:27:35 I've seen the Sony UX in a Sony Store Apr 22 11:27:37 But nothing else. Apr 22 11:27:39 glass: I am pretty sure you can see them everywhere in APAC Apr 22 11:28:09 glass: Not Europe or US because there is just no use case Apr 22 11:28:31 there would be if they sold for 300e or so like the cheapo netbooks Apr 22 11:28:54 they sell like crazy here Apr 22 11:31:11 I really want a 'New packages' feed in h-a-m. Extras has gotten full enough that scanning the full list doesn't work anymore. Apr 22 11:33:19 am i meant to ummm "tweet" if i go to the toilet? Apr 22 11:34:03 Not only that, but you should tweet the walk to, the sit down, the debriefing, the actual activity and the after action report. Apr 22 11:34:15 glass: i do not think they would really Apr 22 11:34:17 If you don't, you fail at twitter. Apr 22 11:34:19 pictures on flickr? Apr 22 11:34:41 !!! i could draw a diagram! Apr 22 11:34:44 Duh Apr 22 11:34:45 glass: if my theory about netbooks selling to be used as normal notebooks is correct, MID/UMPC has no chance Apr 22 11:34:49 GeneralAntilles: yeah, a feed like this would be easy to provide: http://newstyle.maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/25/ Apr 22 11:35:01 RST38h, they aren't selling for that reason. Apr 22 11:35:10 They're selling as second or third machines. Apr 22 11:35:25 Which is the same reason tablets sell. Apr 22 11:35:30 General: key question: because of the price or because of the portability? Apr 22 11:35:42 Both Apr 22 11:35:47 Do nettops sell like hotcakes? Apr 22 11:35:53 They've certainly got the price. Apr 22 11:35:57 not many of those out et Apr 22 11:35:59 yet Apr 22 11:36:06 There are some. Apr 22 11:36:16 RST38h: most people i know who've bought netbooks also have proper comps, and have bought them solely for cheap price and portability Apr 22 11:36:22 size, laptops started to move to being bigger and bigger and heavier and people want smaller - but they find they have less power (obviously) and are caught in a "not all the time" bracket Apr 22 11:37:27 lcuk, size doesn't explain it. Apr 22 11:37:36 There were plenty of small laptops before netbooks came around. Apr 22 11:37:54 (size alone, that is) Apr 22 11:38:03 size and price Apr 22 11:38:11 ^ Apr 22 11:38:23 the price being a very big factor, it's no use if it's portable if you're afraid to take it to the pub because of price Apr 22 11:39:16 glass: see, if people really wanted portability over price, they would buy real notebooks Apr 22 11:39:24 glass: apparently, they do want to price Apr 22 11:39:56 You sound like you're refuting a point he made, but that's exactly the point he made 10 minutes ago. Apr 22 11:39:56 glass: and buy netbooks as cheap notebooks Apr 22 11:40:10 General: I do not understand what you mean :) Apr 22 11:40:31 The point is that MID is no notebook though, and people do not know what to do with it Apr 22 11:40:37 RST38h: 300e vs 1000, the guys/gals i know couldn't really have afforded more expensive either Apr 22 11:40:50 Or, returning to my original argument, "If it can't run MS Office, nobody will buy it" :) Apr 22 11:40:51 they'd have used the money before they would have gotten 1000 together Apr 22 11:41:05 That argument is clearly bull. Apr 22 11:41:16 i getting an n810. im so excited :D Apr 22 11:41:18 Fewer people will buy it. Apr 22 11:41:19 Please explain why it is "clearly" bull Apr 22 11:41:32 How much fewer? :) Apr 22 11:41:36 RST38h: well, the price difference between netbooks and 'small laptops' i just to big Apr 22 11:41:42 But "nobody" and the sales numbers of devices in the category doesn't quite mesh up. Apr 22 11:42:00 RST38h: for the price of a 12" Thinkpad, you can buy 4 Netbooks Apr 22 11:42:00 General: mm...ok, example: Apr 22 11:42:08 Anyway, I'm not sure why I let myself be dragged back into this. Apr 22 11:42:16 All right Apr 22 11:42:16 Hello Maemo Apr 22 11:42:20 hello wazd Apr 22 11:42:45 good'ol netbooks theme :P Apr 22 11:42:47 locutus: Wrong person, I wouldn't buy a Thinkpad even if it cost 1/2 the price of a netbook Apr 22 11:42:55 grin Apr 22 11:43:00 well, you get the idea (: Apr 22 11:43:46 X-Fade, yeah, not a complicated thing but I wish the new h-a-m guys would come out from behind the wall and get involved. Apr 22 11:44:24 GeneralAntilles: I would too. Apr 22 11:47:16 help me please with USB-networking Apr 22 11:47:36 i set up connection both side: Nokia and my PC Apr 22 11:48:01 ugh Apr 22 11:48:10 there are PINGS from nokia to pc and from pc to nokia Apr 22 11:48:30 but i couldn't go to Internet from Nokia Apr 22 11:50:52 Hi Apr 22 11:52:00 while running qmake -project i am getting "/home/maemo/trial//trial.pro Unable to generate project file." in maemo fremantle Apr 22 11:57:40 anybody can help me Apr 22 11:58:17 while running qmake -project i am getting "/home/maemo/trial//trial.pro Unable to generate project file." in maemo 5 Apr 22 12:01:46 plastun: which system are u using?? and which instructions to set up the connection?? have u followed up this: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking ?? Apr 22 12:02:39 plastun: if u are using linux there are perhaps some firewall issues?? Apr 22 12:05:03 danielwilms: a have read this wiki Apr 22 12:05:09 i use Ubuntu 8.10 Apr 22 12:06:03 plastun: hmmm have u checked the hint with the firewall issues there?? Apr 22 12:06:34 i have no firewall Apr 22 12:07:28 strange thing: i ping my machine, ok Apr 22 12:07:38 i ping google.com - "bad address" Apr 22 12:08:01 while running qmake -project i am getting "/home/maemo/trial//trial.pro Unable to generate project file." in maemo 5 Apr 22 12:08:09 any help :) Apr 22 12:13:11 Does maemo.org - Home of the Maemo community sound agreeable to everybody? ;) Apr 22 12:13:13 Jaffa? Apr 22 12:13:53 Ok, now I'm going to move the community and development in place. Apr 22 12:14:56 This is where the server explodes. Apr 22 12:17:34 X-Fade: newstyle! Apr 22 12:17:54 tekojo: Yeah, not done yet.. But getting there ;) Apr 22 12:18:15 Frontpage is good enough for me .-) Apr 22 12:18:21 lol Apr 22 12:26:50 plastun thats in deed strange...sorry....haven't found something else related to this...perhaps u could try the iptables entries...wouldn't hurt :) Apr 22 12:27:23 danielwilms: i'll digg it... thanks Apr 22 13:02:55 back Apr 22 13:05:26 * RST38h looks at the mess that is the "new" maemo.org. Should have just kept it as it was... Apr 22 13:07:17 Always helpful RST38h. Apr 22 13:10:07 General: I have tried being helpful before on this subject Apr 22 13:10:42 None of my help has been taken into account though, so website is mostly a mashup of seemingly random items Apr 22 13:11:43 Actually, I can start filing bugs on particular problems with website organization but of course they will all be considered "rants" Apr 22 13:12:12 Because your bugs usually are rants. Apr 22 13:12:19 ok. Apr 22 13:12:20 Try to consider that your own opinion may not be the only valid one. Apr 22 13:12:35 mine is >:D Apr 22 13:12:38 oh Apr 22 13:12:42 bad smile Apr 22 13:12:44 :D Apr 22 13:12:46 Try to make a difference between facts and opinion. Apr 22 13:13:51 For example, the main page (/) for some reason contains two huge panes named "HOT" and "FRESH" + some other random items Apr 22 13:14:11 One would expect to see news there, but you have to scroll down for the news Apr 22 13:14:26 So, where is "opinion"? Apr 22 13:14:37 RST38h: well, if you think that maemo.org is bad, check out http://www.ubuntu.com/ Apr 22 13:15:18 Especially "Do it with Ubuntu" t-shirts :D Apr 22 13:16:05 wazd: I can check msdn.microsoft.com or www.msnbc.com for a case of bad design Apr 22 13:16:40 I enter a random url to my browser and see bad design Apr 22 13:17:22 RST38h: well, msnbc is not that bad :) Apr 22 13:18:50 GeneralAntilles: btw I have an idea bout "random members of maemo community" Apr 22 13:19:16 GeneralAntilles: No one cares bout -random- members, but it would be great section for member highlighting Apr 22 13:19:29 specified member Apr 22 13:20:03 wazd: That is still in the plans somewhere. Apr 22 13:20:17 X-Fade: great Apr 22 13:21:06 I see 1 visual bug here: http://maemo.org/profile/list/ Apr 22 13:21:30 left borders of the row are all same color but rows aren't Apr 22 13:24:19 and again what I meant under "sensless stuff". Apr 22 13:24:24 What is that huge orange diamond at the right of http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ ? Apr 22 13:24:26 check out: http://maemo.org/profile/view/trin20t/ Apr 22 13:24:44 0.25 is 1px smaller than 3 Apr 22 13:25:06 so all this graph stuff actually shows nothing Apr 22 13:25:36 Why spend precious time to make that stuff, I don't know Apr 22 13:25:55 RST38h: it's a scrollbar :) Apr 22 13:26:10 wazd: ohmygod... Apr 22 13:26:37 And I haven't even tried to look at this site from MicroB yet... Apr 22 13:27:25 RST38h: well, I can't see anything that microb can't handle Apr 22 13:29:23 wazd: slashdot doesn't look like much either but brings microb to its knees Apr 22 13:30:35 I just got one paradox thing :) Apr 22 13:31:06 First manufacturers claim "desktop like" experience on the handhelds Apr 22 13:31:30 And then make guides how to make "handheld-optimized" site :) Apr 22 13:38:49 wazd: Well, even if you have got a real browser in your tablet, you still have limited memory and cpu Apr 22 13:39:03 wazd: so, yes, it will suck with what is considered a "modern website" :) Apr 22 13:39:51 Ironically, Intel claims that Atom bring "desktop browsing experience" as compared with S60/iPhone/NIT/etc Apr 22 13:41:37 curious - matchbox1 svn update Apr 22 13:41:51 maybe diablo isn't all dead Apr 22 13:42:36 Sts: Only if Nokia engineers figure out a way to semiofficially update it... Apr 22 13:42:55 RST38h, you missed -developers, I guess. Apr 22 13:46:41 RST38h: Ironically, Intel claims that Atom bring "desktop browsing experience" << they propably mean with a windows desktop and virus made for windows ! Apr 22 13:47:04 Khertan: Absolutely :) Apr 22 13:47:23 General: No, I kept track of that particular thread =) Apr 22 13:47:52 http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/22/polymer-vision-has-readius-ready-to-go-needs-cash-to-push-it-ou/ <- like that concept Apr 22 13:49:36 wazd: which concept ? the ui or hw ? Apr 22 13:49:46 Khertan1: hardware) Apr 22 14:06:58 is abiword already ported? Apr 22 14:09:28 radic: yes but not fully functional Apr 22 14:10:02 hmpf Apr 22 14:14:07 gah! GPS is proprietary? :/ Apr 22 14:15:08 reverse engineer it? Apr 22 14:16:47 is there a way to incrase the volume ? Apr 22 14:18:09 Stskeeps: that simple, eh? Apr 22 14:18:36 on OS2007 was my n800 louder... Apr 22 14:21:05 luke-jr, you'd be surprised Apr 22 14:41:34 X-Fade, ready for a nap yet? Apr 22 14:42:07 No, still some issues. So no time to sleep. Apr 22 14:42:24 Hehe, sounds like it'll never be nap time. ;) Apr 22 15:35:52 hola Apr 22 15:38:16 hola Apr 22 15:38:37 pero mĂˇs te vale saber inglĂ©s porque la mayorĂa no entiende espaĂ±ol ;) Apr 22 15:41:30 understandable, in general :) Apr 22 16:07:09 Is there a relatively good full screen timer for Maemo? There was a Python one which ate batteries Apr 22 16:07:27 Hmm. With a compositing window manager, having a persistent semi-transparent one floating in a corner could be quite useful Apr 22 16:08:14 Matchbox has the nice effect of breaking on Maemo when you compile it with compositing support... Apr 22 16:08:17 lol Apr 22 16:08:19 eggtimer? Apr 22 16:08:28 But xcompmgr and transset-df are in -devel... Apr 22 16:08:30 compositing sounds like battery-eating too :-) Apr 22 16:09:55 Not in Fremantle :) Apr 22 16:10:10 As long as it stops updating when the screen is off, or its obscured etc. Apr 22 16:10:59 GeneralAntilles: EggTimer's a bit fugly, and counts down - I want to count up (giving a 10 minute briefing on Friday about the Oracle/Sun acquisition) Apr 22 16:11:44 itT is so silly Apr 22 16:12:49 The only complaint I have is that I get a nice zoom effect when logging in - instead of being transferred to the https part Apr 22 16:18:16 howdy, anyone know how to get numpy working in maemo? Apr 22 16:20:14 Install it? Apr 22 16:20:41 I cant find the package Apr 22 16:22:27 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/n/numptyphysics/ Apr 22 16:23:54 i think he means python-numpy Apr 22 16:24:21 StsN800: that's the one Apr 22 16:25:35 it may be part of std python on maemo Apr 22 16:25:47 Nay Apr 22 16:25:54 nope, it's numeric :( Apr 22 16:26:09 The only time you'll see Numpy in Maemo is in Fremantle Apr 22 16:26:22 damn Apr 22 16:27:17 i've been trying to get numpy on the tablet, so I could then install pycv for face detection Apr 22 16:27:24 any ideas of another way to do it? Apr 22 16:31:25 hehe Apr 22 16:32:22 Capitalization is important. . . . Apr 22 16:32:57 capitalisation? Apr 22 16:33:15 the thing with Uncle Jack and all that Apr 22 17:07:44 2000! Time for me to retire. Apr 22 17:10:41 Little survey. Apr 22 17:10:52 Anyone here using FBReader gets random reboots? Apr 22 17:13:53 any idea why make: *** [install] Error 127 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 Apr 22 17:21:40 any idea why make: *** [install] Error 127 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 Apr 22 17:27:15 Guest8916_098: the reason for that was printed in the lines above Apr 22 17:27:30 fzero: no, not any more Apr 22 17:28:07 clarification: (*) when I used to get random reboots I finally blamed some home applet (omweather?) Apr 22 17:28:17 (*) I don't have the latest version of fbreader Apr 22 17:29:03 mgedmin: Well, there's a bug posted on the FBreader site about random reboots Apr 22 17:29:17 * mgedmin waits for the url patiently Apr 22 17:29:29 I thought it could be a home applet too, more specifically hometools (which is awesome). Apr 22 17:29:49 But it still happens after I removed all home applets. Apr 22 17:30:02 and statusbar applets too? Apr 22 17:30:16 Hm, no. Apr 22 17:30:22 I'll try that next. Apr 22 17:31:06 Anyway it'll be a pity if I can't use my current applets. It's weird because it only happens with FBreader. Apr 22 17:31:13 how's fbreader with memory usage? Apr 22 17:31:14 Is there any alternative to it? Apr 22 17:31:29 Which works with non-pdf content. Apr 22 17:31:44 ShadowJK, fine. Apr 22 17:32:25 ShadowJK: Seems fine. I'm using the system load applet on the statusbar to monitor that. Apr 22 17:32:41 It doesn't seem to be leaking Apr 22 17:32:43 I found it virtually useless for monitoring anything at all.. Apr 22 17:33:11 ShadowJK: At least you can see if the memory is getting full. Apr 22 17:33:48 I'm using some swapspace on the internal card. I know this can also be a problem, but as I said before, it only happens with fbreader. Apr 22 17:33:49 Which, perhaps surprisingly, isn't as useful a measure as you'd think.. Apr 22 17:34:01 ShadowJK: Yep, I know. Apr 22 17:34:40 ShadowJK: what do you recommend? top? Apr 22 17:35:14 About the only useful thing I've found is to run vmstat 1 and/or vmstat 5 on another computer/tablet through ssh Apr 22 17:35:46 If it's memory pressure that's killing it, the figures in the WA column will increase, output from vmstat might cease, and if it doesn't recover, the watchdog reboots the device Apr 22 17:36:00 Unfortunately I don't think vmstat is in extras :( Apr 22 17:36:37 Let's see... Apr 22 17:36:41 I have my n800 here Apr 22 17:36:44 let me hook it. Apr 22 17:40:30 no vmstat. :( Apr 22 17:48:25 I have vmstat in diablo, but that's a result of forcing procps to install & removing busybox's conflict with it Apr 22 17:50:03 I installed gcc and compiled vmstat... Apr 22 17:50:28 Is it normal to have lots of /usr/sbin/browserd running? Apr 22 17:50:42 I downloaded htop btw Apr 22 17:50:55 it's no vmstat but you get a nice view of the system Apr 22 17:50:59