**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 25 02:59:57 2009 Apr 25 03:06:45 heh Apr 25 03:24:05 hm Apr 25 03:24:19 would be neat to track "unhealthy" GPS sattelites ;) Apr 25 03:30:18 hm? Apr 25 03:32:08 ShadowJK: sattelites being maneuvered manually Apr 25 03:32:32 Yeah but aren't they removed from the gps constellation before that? Apr 25 03:32:48 wikipedia made it sound like their signal was just flagged Apr 25 03:32:56 ah Apr 25 03:33:08 What do you mean by track anyway :-) Apr 25 03:33:15 visualize ;) Apr 25 03:33:21 watch how it's being moved Apr 25 03:35:10 You'd need special equipment for that :) Apr 25 03:35:17 Or a telescope Apr 25 03:35:34 GPS receivers can't actually tell where the satellites are Apr 25 03:36:50 The satellites tell the receiver where the satellite is, and the satellite gets its information from the ground tracking station, which will send the updated info to the satellite once its passed over the tracking station a few times and they've gotten new accurate reading on its new orbit :) Apr 25 03:37:20 hm Apr 25 03:38:30 use a few other satellites to figure it out? Apr 25 03:41:35 eh? :) Apr 25 05:39:19 morn Apr 25 05:43:14 morning everyone Apr 25 05:57:40 ... Apr 25 05:57:49 do I want to have another try at Ubuntu tonight, or should I wait? Apr 25 05:58:11 jaunty on i386? :P Apr 25 05:58:21 on the n810 Apr 25 05:58:42 I used the i386 liveCD to recover files off my laptop tonight, though Apr 25 05:58:53 ah, i wouldn't use ubuntu on n810 personally :P Apr 25 05:59:29 I'm trying to put it on an external card... I'd just like to have it around Apr 25 06:00:13 * Stskeeps is looking forward to 0.12 of mer getting released. battery life similar to maemo but with power of ubuntu repo. Apr 25 06:01:15 that'll be interesting Apr 25 06:15:50 Stskeeps, kcowolf : Sorry to interrupt - but ubuntu on n810 ? I thought the NITs ran only Maemo/Symbian and now Mer ? Apr 25 06:16:29 rkirti: ah - no, NITs don't run Symbian, but they can run everything from angstrom to ubuntu - if they have an ARM port Apr 25 06:16:40 we do have a linux kernel and ability to adjust cmdline, so Apr 25 06:16:56 it's just that desktop distros don't account for power savings :) Apr 25 06:16:59 hence Mer Apr 25 06:17:05 Stskeeps: ooh. Apr 25 06:17:42 that's what is excellent of the n8x0 devices - we can get rid of maemo if we want to Apr 25 06:18:01 Stskeeps: thats some enlightenment for me.thanks :) Apr 25 06:22:53 * rkirti just checked the angstrom and OE trees - either certain things are not updated or I am goofing up.. Apr 25 06:23:20 with regards to? Apr 25 06:23:22 Stskeeps: got 5 minutes ? I cant understand two things... Apr 25 06:24:17 yeah, i just woke up, so try :) Apr 25 06:24:33 Stskeeps: 1. The OE supported devices list mentions N800 with only Mamona..I assume this is a lack of update. Apr 25 06:24:56 yeah - i think mamona kinda stalled Apr 25 06:25:01 Stskeeps: 2. apart from that, you said angstrom packages having an ARM port will run on N8x0s.. Apr 25 06:25:45 well, if we look entirely at user mode, if it runs on ARMv6, it will run on N8x0s - you may need some init.d tricks to get it actually booting, but yeah Apr 25 06:25:55 Stskeeps: I remember trying to use some iPaq or h___ device packages for the Atmel boards, thinking that the ports were for the same CPU--it failed miserably Apr 25 06:26:30 Stskeeps: ok. what are these init.d tricks about ? Apr 25 06:27:11 basically, to have fairly sane booting of OS'es (through the Maemo initfs), we have patched initfs with a bootmenu Apr 25 06:27:48 the bootmenu supports writing boot menu items, where you can use a certain feature, ITEM_LINUXRC, which allows you to short-circuit the usual stuff initfs does when booting Maemo Apr 25 06:28:03 which is for example fun things such as rm -rf /var/run and ln -s /tmp/.run /var/run Apr 25 06:28:07 and other damaging things Apr 25 06:28:24 Stskeeps: ahh! Apr 25 06:28:35 ITEM_LINUXRC causes control to be moved to /linuxrc on the partition as soon as it can Apr 25 06:28:44 sounds ugly.. Apr 25 06:28:47 yeah Apr 25 06:28:56 but trust me, the state before this hack was even worse Apr 25 06:29:15 Stskeeps: I have an older bootmenu missing LINUXRC support Apr 25 06:29:17 the init stuff is simply to clean up a little and make sure that the DSME sockets are still accessible to the userland Apr 25 06:29:19 any suggestions for upgrading? Apr 25 06:29:30 luke-jr: reflash initfs only and then install bootmenu? Apr 25 06:29:44 rather not reflash via USB Apr 25 06:29:54 Stskeeps: so if someone took the trouble to do a proper port - this wouldnt be needed ..and from what I am reading, adding a device to angstrom isnt that much of work.. Apr 25 06:30:17 Stskeeps: 'this' <==> such ugly hacks Apr 25 06:30:25 rkirti: FWIW, slono and I are actively working on Gentoo support Apr 25 06:30:39 rkirti: well, there's advantages to the initfs approach, such as dual-booting. Mer does have a way to start the right daemons when booted without initfs Apr 25 06:30:54 also there's some watchdog daemons in initfs that are very handy Apr 25 06:31:11 luke-jr: pft. flash a initfs internally then. either way, you have to use the flasher to seperate the images Apr 25 06:31:32 Stskeeps: so i can't just replace a few files? :/ Apr 25 06:31:46 it's better to take it fresh Apr 25 06:32:44 rkirti: anyway..for your own sanity, I would base your work on assuming you have a standard boot Apr 25 06:32:54 kernel mounting rootfs, starting /sbin/init Apr 25 06:33:10 and not look closely into N8x0 weird things Apr 25 06:33:12 luke-jr: ok. /me is happy - I am getting to know more and more porting experts - good for my SoC Apr 25 06:33:42 Stskeeps: yes.I dont think I ld be able to handle such tricks to begin with - so it has to be a standard boot Apr 25 06:34:46 besides that when you do have a working standard boot, the "tricks" are easy to add Apr 25 06:34:59 as we have them pretty stable in Mer, Deblet, and Gentoo uses the same tricks Apr 25 06:36:33 Stskeeps: ok. Apr 25 06:37:26 * Stskeeps ponders when his fiancee will wake up Apr 25 06:38:30 When you "accidentally" raise the volume on your television? Apr 25 06:38:37 what TV? :P Apr 25 06:38:45 Oh. Oh yeah :P Apr 25 06:38:50 * Stskeeps has a media center with a huge screen, but no tv :P Apr 25 06:40:30 what is rkirti's SoC anyhow Apr 25 06:40:40 luke-jr: OpenEmbedded build of Maemo Apr 25 06:41:48 ah Apr 25 06:41:58 I used to work with OpenEmbedded for my Zaurus Apr 25 06:42:04 long time ago Apr 25 06:54:33 hi zap. You don't happen to have any plans on making a bash4 package by any chance? :) Apr 25 07:00:28 qwerty12: hi! my n810 was stolen :( Apr 25 07:00:46 zap: what! :( Apr 25 07:01:19 now I don't know what to do: either buy a new one, or wait for the upcoming n900 or whatever it will be called Apr 25 07:02:08 bah luck :/ Apr 25 07:02:11 bad Apr 25 07:02:14 yep Apr 25 07:02:29 that's the problem with so small devices Apr 25 07:03:02 it was not about small devices, the thief entered my house Apr 25 07:03:09 zap: Although the N810 is getting a lot cheaper, the next device will have OMAP3 goodness (as you will most certainly know) :) Apr 25 07:03:37 sure I know, but I'm not sure when it will be out, taking account the world crisis and such :( Apr 25 07:04:25 If you're in St. Petersburg, break into FRUCT and see if they've left plans laying around :P Apr 25 07:04:45 * waloo thinks about making a patch that auto-ping my server when wireless link comes up, so as I can geolocalize the n810 ! Apr 25 07:05:14 what is FRUCT? Apr 25 07:05:53 zap: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=274894 Apr 25 07:05:53 aha, google is my friend Apr 25 07:07:33 you think they know something about n900? I think thats highly classified info even inside nokia Apr 25 07:07:50 Yeah, probably not :( Apr 25 07:09:34 cool info btw Apr 25 07:09:51 if I'll get my Nokia back I'll think about it since incidentally I live in st. petersburg :) Apr 25 07:10:05 hehe :) Apr 25 07:10:28 so, no chance you help me fixing my boot on the sd card that don't work ! :) Apr 25 07:12:01 qwerty12: btw why you want bash4? does it have something SO NICE compared to bash3? Apr 25 07:12:24 one thing for sure is that it's fatter Apr 25 07:13:10 zap: that's a good point, and my stupid response is: because it's newer... Apr 25 07:13:26 I guess I could try it out on my desktop and see if it's better :) Apr 25 07:13:40 :) Apr 25 07:13:57 on tablet we have to balance between features and speed/resources Apr 25 07:23:45 zap: GPS enable! Apr 25 07:24:29 luke-jr: unfortunately, N810 is not online :) Apr 25 07:24:49 zap: wait until it is? Apr 25 07:24:55 zap: surely you rigged it to call home? Apr 25 07:25:03 to call what? Apr 25 07:25:33 how you imagine a call from n810 without a registered phone lying near it? Apr 25 07:25:34 call home! Apr 25 07:25:38 … Apr 25 07:25:49 email works Apr 25 07:25:53 bah Apr 25 07:26:17 dont' need POTS for a call home Apr 25 07:26:32 heck, even a ping would be ok Apr 25 07:26:34 or DNS lookup Apr 25 07:27:02 ...iamat.yourdomain.net Apr 25 07:27:11 then it works from behind pay portals! Apr 25 07:28:09 of course, the ideal is if it establish a nstx connection ;) Apr 25 07:28:18 then you can SSH in and turn on webcam and stuff Apr 25 07:28:18 what is a nstx connection Apr 25 07:28:20 <.< Apr 25 07:28:23 nstx is IP over DNS Apr 25 07:28:24 ☺ Apr 25 07:30:55 snap a pic of whoever's holding it, then display "THIS DEVICE IS STOLEN; PLEASE CALL WITHIN THE NEXT 2 MINUTES OR YOUR PHOTO AND LOCATION WILL BE RELEASED TO POLICE" Apr 25 07:31:18 teh ultimate anti-theft :D Apr 25 07:31:53 Add a remotely activated taser :P Apr 25 07:32:01 qwerty12: N810 doesn't have it :< Apr 25 07:32:36 * luke-jr wonders if there would be a market for such a handheld anti-theft service Apr 25 07:33:22 * luke-jr goes back to reverse engineering GPS5300 protocol Apr 25 07:44:21 how to change master volume via ssh/terminal? Apr 25 07:47:11 oli: gconftool --type int --set /apps/osso/sound/master_volume -- Apr 25 07:47:46 qwerty12: thanks :) Apr 25 07:50:08 anyhow Apr 25 07:50:12 gpsdriver is doing something Apr 25 07:50:19 going to bed and hope to have a fix by morning :D Apr 25 08:02:27 * Stskeeps mumbles something about pulseaudio Apr 25 08:04:16 Sts: try bat dropping mixed with the snake blood Apr 25 08:19:35 Morning, all Apr 25 08:21:06 morning Apr 25 08:24:49 ukki: btw, I have tried UKMP Apr 25 08:32:30 RST38h: good to know Apr 25 08:46:05 ukki: It crashed. Apr 25 08:46:37 btw ukki != kontorri afaik? :P Apr 25 08:47:27 Ok, to be precise, it hung (indexing music?) then crashed. On the second run, it ran, although none of the CD jackets were shown Apr 25 08:47:33 and not even konttori Apr 25 08:48:16 Ah Apr 25 08:48:59 * RST38h is sorry, wrong guy =) Apr 25 08:49:38 np :) Apr 25 08:50:39 dunno python either so i can't fix it for you Apr 25 08:51:06 Oh, don't worry :) Apr 25 11:13:24 hola Apr 25 11:15:32 hello Apr 25 11:15:43 anyone to help fix multiboot issue ? Apr 25 11:17:12 I've installed ubuntu jaunty on my n810 external sd Apr 25 11:17:15 (p3) Apr 25 11:17:23 But I connot manage to boot it Apr 25 11:18:17 using the mer boot menu : it immediately reboots after the menu Apr 25 11:19:33 using the boot menu in the wiki Booting_from_a_flash_card page, I got the ubuntu spash screen and beeing said that I don't use the right boot loader Apr 25 11:21:29 try the mer bootloader Apr 25 11:21:57 Anybody know where the Bugzilla SVN is hanging out? Apr 25 11:22:23 waloo, install the merinstaller from here, but only run "install bootmenu" Apr 25 11:22:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install Apr 25 11:22:39 donr that Apr 25 11:22:41 done Apr 25 11:23:09 * Stskeeps sighs at ubuntu n8x0 and goes make coffee Apr 25 11:23:09 this is probably a different version of bootmenu than the one linked on "booting from a flash card" Apr 25 11:23:16 mmm...coffee Apr 25 11:23:35 though actually I need to sleep before LFNW ... Apr 25 11:23:39 tried both Apr 25 11:23:39 hehe Apr 25 11:23:49 johnx: when is it? today? Apr 25 11:23:55 Stskeeps, 5 hours Apr 25 11:23:57 k Apr 25 11:24:49 here is my bootmenu item for mer Apr 25 11:24:51 http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-13504 Apr 25 11:25:05 you will need to reinstall ubuntu btw, you ruined it with the other bootmenu Apr 25 11:25:05 :P Apr 25 11:25:18 I did Apr 25 11:25:58 It runs weel in chroot Apr 25 11:26:01 ell Apr 25 11:26:04 arg Apr 25 11:26:11 yes, but you ruined it with booting it with the other bootmenu Apr 25 11:26:12 :P Apr 25 11:26:35 why that ? Apr 25 11:28:05 well I : 1 - installed on ext2 try to boot with wiki's bootmenu, 2 - tried with mer boot, 3 - re- mkfs / install. 4 - try out mer menu Apr 25 11:50:29 hello maemo Apr 25 11:50:36 Hi, wazd Apr 25 13:16:16 hi folks, Apr 25 13:16:48 wondering if anyone has given https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-beagle a run? https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=3532 was not much helpful.. :( Apr 25 13:17:44 the right link is this: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ apologies.. Apr 25 13:23:05 NishanthM: think juha is pretty open to question so just ask him i guess Apr 25 13:23:56 Stskeeps: thanks.. just checking out maemo 5 on beagle.. let me dig around before spaming 100s of folks :D Apr 25 13:24:13 hehe Apr 25 13:24:31 * Stskeeps should try mer on beagle again but has problems with his usb hub & beagleboard Apr 25 13:25:01 oh oh.. Apr 25 13:25:42 Stskeeps: i plan to use a 720p TV with DVI, usb hub for my bringup.. mebbe stead the kernel and kernel modules from angstrom distrib.. Apr 25 13:25:52 s/stead/steel Apr 25 13:26:07 got midori in diablo, otherwise works well but in file drop down menu 'save as' isn't available? is it some permission thing? Apr 25 13:27:07 Stskeeps: any specifics you would like to warn me before i dive in :D? Apr 25 13:31:44 in maemo-beagle? no idea :P Apr 25 13:32:33 Stskeeps: np.. always love to hack around.. will post something if i get thru to an extent.. thanks.. Apr 25 13:47:36 VDVsx: may I use yor code, from BlueMaemo, for enabling the bluetooth, please? (Been spending my morning hildonizing gAnyRemote :)) Apr 25 13:48:53 qwerty12_N800, of course :) Apr 25 13:49:03 Thanks :) Apr 25 13:51:37 qwerty12_N800, although there is a bug in the code: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277485&postcount=346 Apr 25 13:51:44 but is very easy to fix Apr 25 13:52:26 will look out for that. thanks again! :) Apr 25 14:08:14 heya wazds Apr 25 14:08:55 NishanthM: try the distro-agnostic way: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ Apr 25 14:09:57 felipec: aah ok..http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/ -> might have been nice to see binary-amd64 there Apr 25 14:10:06 kinda saves a bother for lazy buggers like me :D Apr 25 14:10:48 * NishanthM breaks for quake on ps3 and breakfast Apr 25 14:10:49 NishanthM: yeah, it would also be nice to have RPM packages for lazy Fedora users like me :) Apr 25 14:11:42 felipec: fedora... hmmm.. the endangered OS :P - jk.. yeah might have been good.. Apr 25 14:12:17 ....RPM? Apr 25 14:12:21 RST38h: hola Apr 25 14:12:22 i havent seen that in years ;-) Apr 25 14:12:39 Just heavy-used 5800 for a while Apr 25 14:12:56 Well, I don't get why people are complainning bout screen responsiveness Apr 25 14:13:10 NishanthM: nah, many FOSS developers use Fedora, including Linus :) Apr 25 14:13:21 For me it was 100% usable, in fact much better than n800 Apr 25 14:14:05 felipec: love debian derivatives :D.. apt-get is simple enough for me.. ubuntu 9.04 is fine as far as I need.. Apr 25 14:17:10 NishanthM: good luck doing 'rpm -q --whatprovides "gstreamer0.10(encoder-video/x-h264)"' or 'rpm -q --whatprovides "perl(syslog)"' on dpkg :) Apr 25 14:17:42 :D Apr 25 14:18:41 sudo apt-get install gstreamer ;) Apr 25 14:19:29 NishanthM: that would not give you all GStreamer elements Apr 25 14:19:47 wazd: it is simple Apr 25 14:20:20 wazd: people try operating it with fingers and expect it respond to the touch Apr 25 14:20:41 RST38h: well, I was operating with finger only) Apr 25 14:20:52 wazd: the problem of course is that its resistive touchscreen responds to pressure and you have to apply some pressure for it to work Apr 25 14:21:07 felipec: sudo apt-get install gstreamer* :p Apr 25 14:21:32 wazd: the easiest way around it is to just use that triangular thingie, it works 100% of the time Apr 25 14:21:40 qwerty12_N800: that would not give you all gstreamer elements either :) Apr 25 14:22:00 hehe, fair enough :p :) Apr 25 14:22:17 (hint: sometimes you need a non-official repository) Apr 25 14:22:39 felipec: O RLY? ;) Apr 25 14:23:10 wazd: you probably pressed, those people just touched, like they did with iPhone Apr 25 14:23:55 RST38h: my press was very slight. n800 don't even respond to that touch and require much harder press Apr 25 14:24:42 RST38h: i was really surprised in fact how the device was behaving, I was expecting much-much worse experience Apr 25 14:24:43 a Iphone *and* a distro flamewar at the same time here? Apr 25 14:24:51 * suihkulokki goes fetch popcorn Apr 25 14:25:21 wazd: define slight. I have an N800 and most o my pressure woes are my fingers being too fat, so I need to use my nails ;) Apr 25 14:27:38 gomiam: mmm, almost no presure Apr 25 14:28:01 wazd: it is a nice device, not a "wow" device but pretty functional and useful Apr 25 14:28:17 wazd: anyway, press some more then ;) Apr 25 14:28:50 gomiam: no, I'm bout 5800, n800 require descent "press" Apr 25 14:29:21 ? Apr 25 14:29:27 syntax error :) Apr 25 14:30:25 wazd: I just hope n9xx will have a similarly well protected screen Apr 25 14:30:30 fwiw, latest intel xorg drivers locked up my thinkpad x40 Apr 25 14:30:42 switched noaccel = yes Apr 25 14:30:53 now it works again - without noticable slowdown :P Apr 25 14:31:45 RST38h: yep, 5800 really impressed me, very nice phone. I can even close my eyes on some UI failures like "single/double tap" Apr 25 14:34:09 as long as it isn't quintuple-tap Apr 25 14:34:14 why lcuk eat some much bacon: http://lifehacker.com/5225910/bacon-sandwiches-speed-up-hangover-recovery :P Apr 25 14:35:20 ShadowJK: heh :) The only problem is that you don't know what tap does the system expect from you Apr 25 14:35:42 ShadowJK: and I haven't found any rule how to define that Apr 25 14:37:00 Oh that's a thing I have issues with in the file manager in maemo, I have issues just selecting something :) Apr 25 14:43:59 so um Apr 25 14:44:17 cgps shows 6 satellites as "Used", but NO FIX still Apr 25 14:44:19 wtf? :/ Apr 25 14:46:03 what does maemo-mapper show? Apr 25 14:48:23 ShadowJK: no idea, haven't tried building that yet Apr 25 14:49:14 (and I highly doubt Maemo's package will run w/o Maemo) Apr 25 14:49:16 hmm... Apr 25 15:01:46 wazd: the most important part - you can still operate it with one hand, just like a normal s0 device Apr 25 15:02:17 * RST38h kinda hasn't paid attention to this feature until he got to use Motorola UIQ phone Apr 25 15:07:56 VDVsx, i dont eat that much bacon lol Apr 25 15:09:25 eheh Apr 25 15:15:04 ShadowJK: I wonder if cgps doesn't "count" as a connection to activate GPS for Apr 25 15:15:30 is someone of you using ekiga? Apr 25 15:16:02 I suspect you need to use libgpsbt to activate gps Apr 25 15:16:21 but i dunno Apr 25 15:19:02 I also have a hunch that it's worth looking at actual data and not as much at the status fields, and also check that the data is changing and not just repeat of old stale stuff :-) Apr 25 15:38:34 anyone know of a camera app that lets you use the 'fullscreen' button on N810 to snap a photo? Apr 25 15:39:56 liqbase Apr 25 15:40:59 qwerty12, was that for me? Apr 25 15:41:03 yep Apr 25 15:46:12 perfect! thanks qwerty12 Apr 25 15:56:32 ShadowJK: I don't *have* libgpsbt ;) Apr 25 15:57:29 any idea why 'nm' and 'objdump -t' deny symbols in gpsdriver? Apr 25 15:57:34 obviously it must have *some* Apr 25 16:02:36 hey, i found a new thing related to the keyboard bug! when i go in to the nokia over x11vnc. and send a key from the numlock, it reboots too! Apr 25 16:02:44 isnt that strange? Apr 25 16:03:20 luke-jr: nm -D ? Apr 25 16:03:34 luke-jr: ltrace and strace, maybe Apr 25 16:04:44 Stskeeps, hey, did you see my reply before? Apr 25 16:04:48 guysoft42: do you have XInputExtension enabled? Apr 25 16:05:03 qwerty12, where would that be written? Apr 25 16:05:11 qwerty12: didn't we have a weird weird bug with this and Mer once? Apr 25 16:05:35 nm Apr 25 16:05:42 wasn't Xomap Apr 25 16:05:51 guysoft42: look in /etc/init.d/x-server Apr 25 16:05:58 is Xomap a kdrive? Apr 25 16:06:25 hmm, are there suposed to be 2 files there? /etc/init.d/x-server and /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc Apr 25 16:06:26 ? Apr 25 16:06:47 I'd hazard a guess on XInputExtension being your problem Apr 25 16:06:48 qwerty12, ARGS="-mouse tslib -nozap -dpi $DISPLAY_DPI -wr -nolisten tcp -extension XInputExtension" Apr 25 16:06:59 Bingo. Remove -extension XInputExtension and reboot Apr 25 16:07:00 should i remove tcp -extension XInputExtension? Apr 25 16:07:56 qwerty12, lets see.. this is interesting Apr 25 16:08:31 qwerty12, if so, we located the bug .. and i have a feeling that it does come from pc-connectivity.. we need to see who created: x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc Apr 25 16:09:02 -extension XInputExtension is a hack to enable the pressing of application menu over x11vnc Apr 25 16:09:11 A better method is using a patched hildon-desktop Apr 25 16:09:37 qwerty12, well it must be doing something else.. lets see first if this actualy worked Apr 25 16:09:59 X-Fade, ping? Apr 25 16:10:18 it works!! it works! Apr 25 16:10:41 qwerty12, so we know where that bug comes from Apr 25 16:14:06 qwerty12, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 Apr 25 16:14:14 qwerty12, where do i get that/ Apr 25 16:15:31 guysoft42: not sure, you could try dpkg -S /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc Apr 25 16:16:48 qwerty12, it also seemed to have another bug, that i had with hebrew here Apr 25 16:17:34 qwerty12, dpkg: /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc not found. Apr 25 16:17:48 it must be in some postinst file Apr 25 16:18:16 qwerty12, can some one at least mark https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 as confirmed for me? Apr 25 16:18:25 it mean, i kinda found its reason now Apr 25 16:19:15 guysoft42: grep -r x-server /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.*inst Apr 25 16:19:23 hmm, it actually removed a feature i had that i liked. he chr button used to type in hebrew.. so i could do shift+chr and then use the hardware keyboard for hebrew Apr 25 16:19:40 /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xomap.postinst: Apr 25 16:19:49 Anything else? Apr 25 16:19:54 update-rc.d x-server start 21 2 3 4 5 . stop 23 0 1 6 . >/dev/null || exit $? Apr 25 16:19:59 but that is not part of it really Apr 25 16:22:23 qwerty12, do you have another language on your device? Apr 25 16:22:35 Nope, just English Apr 25 16:23:23 "...the approach to SCP-953's containment chamber is to be lined with open-cage dog kennels, preferably of the Korean Jindo or American Foxhound breed. SCP-953 displays an extreme phobia of domesticated canines, and will not pass within 10m of one, especially when barking or alerted." Apr 25 16:25:22 qwerty12, ah, fixed the keyboard layout with running the postscript of the hebrew packages Apr 25 16:26:49 hello could you guys help me with my tablet Apr 25 16:27:06 * guysoft42 is not sure what to do with the bug now. who should know about it in the maemo develop team? Apr 25 16:27:37 guysoft42: think they kinda gave up on Xomap Apr 25 16:27:59 Stskeeps, how can you give up on it? i mean whats the alternative? Apr 25 16:28:15 whatever they work on for Fremantle Apr 25 16:29:02 Stskeeps, is maemo 5 that different? Apr 25 16:29:09 Where the hell are the bugzilla sources? :( Apr 25 16:29:10 guysoft42: new hw, 3d acceleration.. Apr 25 16:29:20 X.org Apr 25 16:29:27 GeneralAntilles: it's actually not a program. it's a bunch of 770's running an AI. Apr 25 16:29:49 Stskeeps, 3d? but the Nokia N series has no 3d.. Apr 25 16:30:07 guysoft42: don't ask me, but it's in the roadma Apr 25 16:30:07 p Apr 25 16:30:12 Yes they do. Apr 25 16:30:13 it does guysoft42, but it has no driver Apr 25 16:30:16 and the N800s does actually have 3d, but no driver Apr 25 16:30:23 * lbt scores Apr 25 16:30:28 guysoft42: The next device will have an exposed OpenGL-ES driver Apr 25 16:30:50 Stskeeps, so the new maemo 5 will actually tap that 3d chip? or are we going to be outdated Apr 25 16:31:01 new chip Apr 25 16:31:06 guysoft42: Maemo 5 is not going to be made available for the 770, N800 or N810 Apr 25 16:31:12 :( Apr 25 16:31:14 so we won't benefit Apr 25 16:31:17 ~rx-51 Apr 25 16:31:18 from memory, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html Apr 25 16:31:37 though there were rumours - I doubt they'll happen Apr 25 16:32:15 * Jaffa wonders if the RX-51'll be in his hands before going to San Francisco for JavaOne. The N810 did well last year, but a little slow. An OMAP3 based device would be sooo good Apr 25 16:32:22 lbt, Nokia is working with ImagTech to try to get a community driver released. Apr 25 16:32:50 any news on that? Apr 25 16:32:59 "working on it" Apr 25 16:33:02 ie looking good, or looking bad Apr 25 16:33:05 X-Fade, Andre, free labor if you point me to the Bugzilla templates. . . . http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/bugzilla-newstyle-test.jpg Apr 25 16:33:16 GeneralAntilles, i am amazed there is such a hardware chip unused Apr 25 16:33:32 guysoft42, blame ImagTech for being shitty. Apr 25 16:34:03 its a bit late for blame lol Apr 25 16:34:16 * Stskeeps hammers head into the wall about the OE GSoC thread Apr 25 16:34:31 * lcuk hasnt seen any mail for ages Apr 25 16:34:41 Stskeeps, lol, I was thinking it didn't sound right. Apr 25 16:34:46 nor many females either Apr 25 16:35:01 hmmhiya yerga \o Apr 25 16:35:14 -hmmm Apr 25 16:35:20 hey lcuk Apr 25 16:35:38 congrats for the summer of code project ;) Apr 25 16:35:46 Hey, patchmaster, you know where the bugzilla svn is hiding? Apr 25 16:35:47 GeneralAntilles: yet another set of eyes on Maemo platform portability, and being able to target the platforms Maemo/Hildon could run on, but that Mer doesn't easily fit in, is a benefit Apr 25 16:36:05 thanks, zach is gonna be a big help :) Apr 25 16:36:10 GeneralAntilles, maemo.org bugzilla? Apr 25 16:36:15 Yeah Apr 25 16:36:22 no idea Apr 25 16:36:30 heck, i want hildon on a armv4 touchscreen Apr 25 16:36:41 X-Fade's not here on weekends and andre__ darted out when I asked him this morning. :( Apr 25 16:36:43 i gtg.. but thanks for at least solving the bug for me Apr 25 16:37:01 GeneralAntilles, could you at least confirm this bug.. Apr 25 16:37:05 ? Apr 25 16:37:09 it should be appealing to have a consumer grade touch framework in reach for embedded developers (OE), and for closer-to-laptops devices (Mer) Apr 25 16:37:20 guysoft42, as I haven't experienced it myself, no. Apr 25 16:37:41 lol stskeeps, you are differentiating yourself already lol Apr 25 16:38:01 Stskeeps: OE is closer to laptop than Mer is ;) Apr 25 16:38:27 luke-jr: oh, you can use a hammer to fix your toliet, but sometimes a tool box is better. Apr 25 16:38:34 toilet Apr 25 16:38:48 OE was designed for the Zaurii Apr 25 16:38:53 Mer for the Nseries Apr 25 16:38:58 oh, no Apr 25 16:39:02 Zaurii are quite a bit moer laptop-like than Nseries Apr 25 16:39:04 Mer was designed with genericity in mind. Apr 25 16:39:12 for most of the time, i developed on x86, in a VM. Apr 25 16:39:15 yes, so was OE Apr 25 16:39:17 Mer? Apr 25 16:39:21 (that name googles so well) Apr 25 16:39:21 GeneralAntilles, well, if you don't believe me you are welcome to follow the instructions to recreate it. now that we know what causes it Apr 25 16:39:24 but they have primary/original targets Apr 25 16:39:49 ~mer Apr 25 16:39:50 mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Apr 25 16:40:08 luke-jr: in any case, i welcome the existence of gentoo, OE, who the hell cares distro packages. all the more power to the maemo platform if we can take a program on one and get it on a huge amount of different devices. Apr 25 16:40:19 * Stskeeps has no strong feelings about that. Apr 25 16:40:27 ☺ Apr 25 16:40:51