**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 26 02:59:57 2009 Apr 26 03:00:17 atleast you get better feedback from the n810 keyboard Apr 26 03:00:40 are you on n810 right now? Apr 26 03:00:48 plus you can actually see chat that you're replying to Apr 26 03:01:03 yeah I'm typing on n810 right now Apr 26 03:01:25 * ShadowJK just woke up, it's sunday and I'm too lazy to get out of bed :) Apr 26 03:02:25 i like my n800 too, it has more sensitive touchscreen, almost to the point where the fullscreen or stylus keyboard would be painless to use Apr 26 03:02:49 and browsing the web is nicer on n800 if you're just browsing Apr 26 03:02:52 can you type and stylus at same time o.o Apr 26 03:03:03 well Apr 26 03:03:03 what? :) Apr 26 03:03:04 hold Apr 26 03:03:12 type on n810 and hold stylus sametime Apr 26 03:03:27 im guessing n810 kb is all thumbs Apr 26 03:04:22 yeah all thumbs Apr 26 03:05:57 I'm holding the device in air infront of me and typing with thumbs, when I take my right hand off the device, my left thumb rests on the keyboard, below the screen, supporting the device Apr 26 03:06:51 I don't need to drop or put away the stylus to type, but holding device one handed and typing with same hand at same time isn't easy :) Apr 26 03:06:53 oh so you hold the kb portion Apr 26 03:07:05 err Apr 26 03:07:15 yeah Apr 26 03:08:57 what do you prefer your n800 for? Apr 26 03:09:42 web browsing, the dpad is much nicer on n800 Apr 26 03:10:08 use dpad to scroll? Apr 26 03:10:16 yeah Apr 26 03:10:47 ill probably use my n800 for media mostly..it has 32gb Apr 26 03:11:19 and with n800 your grip is higher up relative to screen, so you can scroll through touchscreen with the thumb of hand holding device Apr 26 03:11:46 oh yeah I watch stuff on n800 too, fullsize sd for the win :) Apr 26 03:13:13 do you use the gps in car? Apr 26 03:13:27 yep Apr 26 03:14:00 how does it compare to like a 100$ garmin gps? xD Apr 26 03:14:11 dunno :) Apr 26 03:14:11 or something similar Apr 26 03:14:19 my dad has a tomtom Apr 26 03:14:42 the tomtom's software is nicer than wayfinder Apr 26 03:15:14 though n810 has bigger screen area Apr 26 03:15:16 can maemo gizmo send video calls to a PC/linux gizmo client? Apr 26 03:15:25 even if he has no webcam installed? Apr 26 03:15:50 or do i need to turn something on to enable video-sending on gizmo.. Apr 26 03:17:45 thanks for the n810 experience sharing ShadowJK ...i cant wait to get mine monday Apr 26 03:19:15 as for the gps, for me when I switch it on leaving the house, walk 10m to car, put n810 on dashboard on the kickstand, take phone and wallet out of pocket, put phone in its stand and connect charger, the n810 has acquired gps fix Apr 26 03:21:18 it's near impossible to get a first fix indoors though Apr 26 03:23:10 z4chh: n810 key clicks are speaker Apr 26 03:23:30 ShadowJK: I have much better success indoors getting a fix Apr 26 03:23:34 well, at home anyhow Apr 26 03:24:18 I know some cars have windows that dampen gps signal :( Apr 26 03:25:11 and if you're just outside holding n810 with left hand like I do, you're blocking the gps antenna with your hand, which probably doesnt help :) Apr 26 03:33:29 also, n800 has softer edges, n810 has some sharp edges that can cause pain in prolonged use :) Apr 26 03:38:02 >_< Apr 26 03:38:07 glad to know where antenna is now Apr 26 03:43:23 i prefer holding a n810 over a n800 Apr 26 03:43:27 fits easier in my hands Apr 26 03:44:34 upper left, on the back Apr 26 03:44:41 behind the plastic :) Apr 26 03:44:42 I hope they put a good keyboard on the next one. Apr 26 03:45:06 GAN800: can a maemo gizmo send video to a normal linux gizmo client (debian)? Apr 26 03:45:22 Only Gizmo 4 Apr 26 03:45:22 i just called a dude on debian and he saw no webcam Apr 26 03:45:27 ahhh Apr 26 03:45:32 he probably had gizmo5 Apr 26 03:45:32 even if it wouldnt be physically better, i hope it has programmerfriendly layout Apr 26 03:45:34 Linux Gizmo doesn't support video Apr 26 03:45:42 uh oh ok Apr 26 03:45:54 Linux and OS X have 3.x still Apr 26 03:46:10 wow Apr 26 03:46:16 You need 4.x unfortunately Apr 26 03:46:32 maemo -- lightyears ahead! Apr 26 03:47:03 thank you General Apr 26 04:02:46 Whee, it works. There were only 3 mistakes in the whole thing. Apr 26 04:06:12 congrats Apr 26 04:06:25 hmm gizmo also closed source Apr 26 04:06:36 ok. then ekiga perhaps Apr 26 04:08:27 heh, I forgot about that :x Apr 26 05:19:08 gn Apr 26 05:19:50 ng Apr 26 05:20:11 gm ! Apr 26 05:21:22 good morning Apr 26 05:26:33 where are the configs of the apache-port? Apr 26 05:29:44 /etc/...? Apr 26 05:30:28 ping Apr 26 05:30:33 anyone here familiar w/ css? Apr 26 05:31:37 css for web or css for dvd ? Apr 26 05:31:47 web Apr 26 05:33:04 ha so.. yes Apr 26 05:42:49 about that stolen N810... I thought about it and stealing this together with the other stuff could have really been a bad mood Apr 26 05:43:17 … Apr 26 05:43:28 s/mood/move/ Apr 26 05:43:28 CutMeOwnThroat meant: about that stolen N810... I thought about it and stealing this together with the other stuff could have really been a bad move Apr 26 05:43:50 you stole a N810? Apr 26 05:44:04 no, zap said his was stolen somewhere in the backlog Apr 26 05:44:50 and with gps and wireless and sshd, that could really make a handy theft-prevention... Apr 26 05:45:17 maybe we should make a pinger applet Apr 26 05:45:33 hm, I just thought making it register with dyndns on connect would be enough... but it's of course not true Apr 26 05:45:44 I must be tired... hell, I am :) Apr 26 05:45:53 heh Apr 26 05:46:26 wonder if gpsd can be started without any gui Apr 26 05:46:27 guess all wireless routers NAT port 22 away.... what a pity Apr 26 05:46:50 well, it might make a blinking icon Apr 26 05:46:59 question is how hard it is to read out Apr 26 05:47:08 great idea Apr 26 05:47:13 but that would be quite nice.... ring on the door of a hous Apr 26 05:47:24 eeexcuse me, but someone ere stole my N810 Apr 26 05:48:24 yeah, but you need more than just to register with dyndns Apr 26 05:48:38 why do you need dyndns Apr 26 05:48:47 oh your own pc Apr 26 05:48:49 nm Apr 26 05:48:55 no, I meant for the tablet Apr 26 05:48:58 i was thinking of running a service on a website Apr 26 05:49:03 tablet doesn't need dyndns Apr 26 05:49:11 it *originates* the pings Apr 26 05:49:15 so how would you reach the tablet?s Apr 26 05:49:18 "phone home" Apr 26 05:49:28 by identifying the pings Apr 26 05:49:32 gps would be normally off... Apr 26 05:50:00 so a ping would give you an ip Apr 26 05:50:02 hmm, no nm Apr 26 05:50:10 not for a home router setup Apr 26 05:50:10 which might or might not be enough Apr 26 05:50:20 only for an online host or a linux firewall Apr 26 05:50:26 ? Apr 26 05:50:33 so you can make an alert and a log with the firewall/iptables Apr 26 05:50:48 I don'3t see what you mean Apr 26 05:51:01 i was just thinking of initiating communications the other way around Apr 26 05:51:08 it could work either way, for different setups Apr 26 05:51:23 yes, but this way you need a permanent host on the web Apr 26 05:51:29 hm... perhaps not Apr 26 05:51:30 but the dyndns still would hang at the nat Apr 26 05:51:32 so my way is better Apr 26 05:51:50 what would be your way exactly... Apr 26 05:52:04 nokia gets stolen. nokia gets turned on and hooked to internet Apr 26 05:52:23 pupnik: I have gpsd running w/o GUI Apr 26 05:52:23 nokia starts a pattern of 3 pings in a row to a host you control Apr 26 05:52:32 cool - thought it should work Apr 26 05:52:44 you get the source ip of the ping from the firewall Apr 26 05:52:55 you ssh into the nokia and start the gpsd script Apr 26 05:53:01 pupnik: nstx + GPS + webcam Apr 26 05:53:03 is my idea Apr 26 05:53:11 wahahaha Apr 26 05:53:16 no, you can't ssh in, because the tablet is natted Apr 26 05:53:16 with ID Apr 26 05:53:20 oh duh Apr 26 05:53:25 CutMeOwnThroat: nstx Apr 26 05:53:29 afaik all wireless conns are natted Apr 26 05:53:39 tablet has to ssh out to a host autmatically when turned on Apr 26 05:53:47 sorry i'm being tired and stupid Apr 26 05:53:48 yeah, the webcam is also a neat feature :) Apr 26 05:53:55 nstx = VPN over DNS ;) Apr 26 05:53:56 yes, it has Apr 26 05:54:01 nobody blocks DNS Apr 26 05:54:05 whoahhhhh Apr 26 05:54:26 stop making the walls go bendy Apr 26 05:54:42 luke-jr, yeah, that'3s not bad... but you want to keep overhead low for the 99.99999% of the time it'3s not stolen, mind Apr 26 05:55:07 CutMeOwnThroat: yeah Apr 26 05:55:09 you could disable it with a keycode or smth Apr 26 05:55:11 but yeah, that WOULD work Apr 26 05:55:16 so write a sane nstx Apr 26 05:55:23 when no traffic, it pings once a minute Apr 26 05:55:31 what would also work is port-forwarding Apr 26 05:55:31 what's the preferred way to stream n810 webcam to a *nix PC? Apr 26 05:55:45 you don't control the router on the theif's end Apr 26 05:55:58 CutMeOwnThroat: I want to get info if they're at a McDonald's Apr 26 05:56:09 which means DNS to bypass the pay portal Apr 26 05:56:47 well, actually I've seen pay portals who block dns Apr 26 05:56:48 the walls are meowling in rubber voices Apr 26 05:56:58 hm Apr 26 05:57:05 CutMeOwnThroat: they can onyl proxy it Apr 26 05:57:09 they just redirect everything to their local host Apr 26 05:57:13 w/o any DNS you wouldn't get their site Apr 26 05:57:17 until you authentify Apr 26 05:57:19 and Windows has buggy DNS caches Apr 26 05:57:27 so they can't do temp resolves to a diff IP Apr 26 05:58:22 hm, I actually wonder about icmp Apr 26 05:58:32 I've seen ping blocked rather often also Apr 26 05:58:55 I've also seen tcp blocked and udp forgotten Apr 26 05:59:20 lol Apr 26 05:59:35 possibly because it's harder to figure incoming from reply than with tcp Apr 26 05:59:40 would be funny if IPv6 worked and was unblocked Apr 26 05:59:59 heh Apr 26 06:01:06 anyway - if it finds an open net, it could do ssh -t -L 22:localhost:2222 myhost or somesuch Apr 26 06:01:18 then one could ssh back on myhost Apr 26 06:01:23 via port 2222 Apr 26 06:01:45 -R Apr 26 06:01:46 not -L Apr 26 06:01:48 of course, for that it must be configured to automatically connect to any open wlan Apr 26 06:01:57 yup Apr 26 06:02:07 but you need Gentoo for the GPS-all-the-time anyway Apr 26 06:02:23 ?s Apr 26 06:02:29 . Apr 26 06:02:35 you start gps over ssh Apr 26 06:02:40 and the camera :) Apr 26 06:02:44 :p Apr 26 06:02:51 pretty sure Maemo will force the stupid red light on Apr 26 06:02:58 unless it's in hardware :/ Apr 26 06:03:19 well, would he know what it means :) Apr 26 06:04:08 anyway, I like the idea of after-theft protection Apr 26 06:04:18 "the geek strikes back" Apr 26 06:05:43 CutMeOwnThroat: meh Apr 26 06:05:55 CutMeOwnThroat: after upload complete, turn LCD on with pic Apr 26 06:05:57 and text Apr 26 06:06:16 nah Apr 26 06:06:22 "This device is stolen. Call 1-800-xxx-xxxx within 5 minutes or the police will be given your picturez!" Apr 26 06:06:24 just call the police Apr 26 06:06:42 perhaps there's a reward for your trouble :) Apr 26 06:07:14 identify the state the N810 is in, and record the call if legal Apr 26 06:07:16 ☺ Apr 26 06:07:23 zap at least would have a hard time getting a picture if all his stuff was stolen... Apr 26 06:07:38 probably professionals Apr 26 06:07:49 not using the stuff, just selling Apr 26 06:09:50 w00t Apr 26 06:09:56 confirmed: Gentoo can use camera w/o red light Apr 26 06:10:21 heh Apr 26 06:10:25 CutMeOwnThroat: professionals know to turn off devices immediately? Apr 26 06:10:50 they don't look into it, playing around with their new tablet Apr 26 06:11:11 they don't need to Apr 26 06:11:15 just stream some video Apr 26 06:11:19 surely you'll see someone Apr 26 06:11:50 not if it's in a box waiting to become a bit cooler Apr 26 06:12:05 gentoo, meh Apr 26 06:12:07 eventually Apr 26 06:12:24 battery lasts only a limited time Apr 26 06:13:03 o Apr 26 06:13:08 webcam uses more battery? ☺ Apr 26 06:13:18 wlan does Apr 26 06:13:24 gps does Apr 26 06:13:34 webcam... well, surely uses some Apr 26 06:13:57 there's no such fing as free lunf Apr 26 06:14:13 why does GPS? O.o Apr 26 06:14:20 it's just receiving radio waves Apr 26 06:14:27 passive stuff Apr 26 06:15:11 *=shrug*= Apr 26 06:15:24 thought I saw that in the n810 manual Apr 26 06:15:27 I might be wrong Apr 26 06:16:59 wtf, the pdf reader doesn't have a search function Apr 26 06:17:08 Use Evince Apr 26 06:17:45 * CutMeOwnThroat longs for xpdf Apr 26 06:17:50 but yeah Apr 26 06:17:52 pdf readers from a few years ago sucked like that Apr 26 06:18:39 bedtime, I guess Apr 26 06:18:53 CutMeOwnThroat: the default viewer seems to use xpdf source: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/ ... Apr 26 06:19:55 * timeless isn't sure if anyone actually filed a bug to fix that Apr 26 06:20:00 weird Apr 26 06:20:11 and yes, it annoys those of us who use the app internally too Apr 26 06:20:11 all the xpdf features are missing... Apr 26 06:20:34 like... search, continuous view Apr 26 06:20:34 timeless: according to andre, half the bugs of the default pdf viewer were marked as "fixed by evince" by the reporters... Apr 26 06:20:35 xpdf sucked from my memory Apr 26 06:20:42 not even reread Apr 26 06:20:44 heck, I don't remember a UI Apr 26 06:20:54 luke-jr, what did it suck from your memory Apr 26 06:20:58 ah, nm Apr 26 06:21:42 qwerty: internal or external? Apr 26 06:21:57 timeless: external Apr 26 06:23:06 hello Apr 26 06:23:09 Stskeeps: you get it? Apr 26 06:23:37 yes - its in fine shape Apr 26 06:24:08 awesome Apr 26 06:24:18 hope it helps Apr 26 06:24:55 ok. going to sleep Apr 26 06:25:11 cya and thanks Apr 26 06:25:18 just wanted to make sure it got into your hands Apr 26 06:25:35 talking to you from it Apr 26 06:34:54 stskeeps: how are you w/ css? Apr 26 06:34:58 * timeless needs some help :) Apr 26 06:35:47 timeless: utter crap sadly Apr 26 06:35:57 anyone else here? :) Apr 26 06:36:15 hi2ll Apr 26 06:37:55 hmm... i use rcfile for UI customization in my app. And if i increase width of GtkHScale it looks not as big slider, it looks as double slider. Is it normal? Apr 26 06:40:36 * Stskeeps grabs the morning coffee and continues trying to track down why Hildon Desktop crashes with xrandr. Apr 26 06:43:52 * man_in_ltop waves Apr 26 06:44:10 morning Apr 26 06:44:53 LIES Apr 26 06:46:17 so, i'm wondering, how easy is it to develop for maemo? Apr 26 06:47:13 heh, good question Apr 26 06:47:20 if you can read the docs it helps Apr 26 06:47:36 if you're from a unix background where you assume things are sane, you will get frustrated :) Apr 26 06:47:51 hmm ok Apr 26 06:47:52 stskeeps: does mxr.maemo.org look ok? Apr 26 06:47:58 * Stskeeps looks Apr 26 06:48:01 anything in particular that's insane? Apr 26 06:48:06 timeless: in firefox3 yeah Apr 26 06:48:18 i'm trying to get it to match www.maemo.org Apr 26 06:48:21 man_in_ltop: scratchbox in particular, but that's my own opinion Apr 26 06:48:34 timeless: i thought "oh, he added newstyle theming" when seeing it Apr 26 06:48:41 ok, so what's scratchbox? :P Apr 26 06:48:48 :) Apr 26 06:48:52 man_in_ltop: scratchbox is the cross-compilation environment for maemo os Apr 26 06:49:06 ok Apr 26 06:50:11 * Stskeeps glances at the huge build of Mer on OBS Apr 26 06:50:38 timeless: had a good trip to istanbul? Apr 26 06:50:48 yep Apr 26 06:50:50 thanks :) Apr 26 06:50:58 * timeless should download photos and such Apr 26 06:51:10 * Stskeeps had a good trip to poland too but glad to be back home. Apr 26 06:51:14 man_in_ltop: hi! do tou know Python? Apr 26 06:51:20 yes Apr 26 06:51:21 tablet + a fon router really comes in handy. Apr 26 06:51:22 :) Apr 26 06:51:38 next time around i should flash my tablet with RNDIS kernel so i can hook it up via USB to XP machines though. Apr 26 06:51:56 than scratchbox dont need you Apr 26 06:52:17 hehe Apr 26 06:52:27 i'm thinking about porting nethack :P Apr 26 06:55:10 unsure if a nethack gui can be written in python :) Apr 26 06:57:49 there already are some nethackak ports Apr 26 06:58:03 i saw "crawl" in the apps list Apr 26 06:58:18 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/nethack/ << ah Apr 26 06:58:29 that looks quite nice Apr 26 07:02:03 "run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:'com.nokia.mce' string:'/com/nokia/mce/request' string:'com.nokia.mce.request' string:'devlock_callback' uint32:'3'" to lock the tablet remotely BTW. Took me fucking 20 mins and looking through leaked sources to come up with that Apr 26 07:02:47 yay mce Apr 26 07:03:02 you locked your tablet accidentially? :P Apr 26 07:03:48 Nah, I'm porting anyremote and one of its script has a locking feature where it locks the tablet when the phone disappears so I'm replacing its usage of the KDE locker with the Maemo one Apr 26 07:04:02 ok Apr 26 07:06:54 so ... are there any docs/tutorials on developing python apps for maemo? :D Apr 26 07:07:10 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html Apr 26 07:08:25 ty Apr 26 07:09:53 qwerty12 did you know the existance of dbus-monitor --system Apr 26 07:10:21 keesj: I know, but it doesn't work for the request method - I only get a signal which is useless to me Apr 26 07:13:55 still 20 minutes to get anything out of dbus is fast! Apr 26 07:15:16 :) Apr 26 07:16:26 I can't see a method to unlock it, I really don't want to have to resort to "/etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart" Apr 26 07:18:05 Doh, the same command but with _close instead works >.< Apr 26 07:27:36 hmm Apr 26 07:28:16 i really wish nokia had supplied a m/f micro usb adapter instead of a m/m micro-usb to usb-a cable Apr 26 07:33:17 on the plus side, YAY vim Apr 26 07:35:22 usb-a female-female adapters are easy enough to find Apr 26 07:35:49 maybe Apr 26 07:35:54 but i don't have any here :D Apr 26 07:37:49 http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PA0921 << not exactly the cheapest device either Apr 26 07:40:11 * RST38h moos Apr 26 07:40:13 compare with powered usb hub :) Apr 26 07:43:37 morning Apr 26 07:46:03 meh Apr 26 07:46:13 powered usb hub costs what, au$15 or so Apr 26 07:47:26 heh Apr 26 07:47:49 i found my f-f adapter for <1e in a local shop Apr 26 07:48:04 but hub was 20 without powersupply :/ Apr 26 07:48:26 nice Apr 26 07:48:29 mail me one! Apr 26 07:48:50 i'm in .au :P Apr 26 07:49:25 I could fax it ;) Apr 26 07:50:34 yay Apr 26 07:50:43 mornin Apr 26 08:02:16 hmm Apr 26 08:02:34 just installed ssh server on my n810 Apr 26 08:02:39 what's the password for user? :) Apr 26 08:02:44 moo lcuk Apr 26 08:03:07 * lcuk_9finger tries to wave Apr 26 08:03:37 hmhm, has someone used geoportail tiles with maemo mapper? Apr 26 08:05:24 not me sorry Apr 26 08:20:28 Morning, all Apr 26 08:21:16 morning jaffa Apr 26 08:21:32 hello Apr 26 08:21:37 * timeless is doing house cleaning Apr 26 08:22:17 mornin jaffa \o Apr 26 08:22:20 * Stskeeps is fixing weird hildon desktop bugs Apr 26 08:22:34 first time in 12 months i've -really- had to sit down with gdb and find a problem, heh Apr 26 08:23:34 Hey, is there a python API for creating fremantle home screen applets? Apr 26 08:23:37 i would like to fix bugs, but i can barely type Apr 26 08:23:57 * timeless cries Apr 26 08:24:01 * timeless screwed up Apr 26 08:24:12 u cleaned the wrong house? Apr 26 08:24:15 stskeeps: ping Apr 26 08:24:19 pong :P Apr 26 08:24:29 do you have a cached copy of my pages? Apr 26 08:24:33 i need a page from cache Apr 26 08:24:42 which per chance? Apr 26 08:24:46 site.css Apr 26 08:25:02 timeless: is there some gecko canvas widget available in fremantle? Apr 26 08:25:05 possibly /style/site.css or /something/site.css Apr 26 08:25:14 konttori: i'm pretty sure it is Apr 26 08:25:18 That I could use if I want to create a web runtime homescreen applet Apr 26 08:25:24 ah. cool. Apr 26 08:25:46 Hmm... Is that available on the alpha sdk already? /me googles Apr 26 08:26:06 timeless: gah, firefox cache is unreadable to the human eye Apr 26 08:26:06 i think we weren't supposed to push a browser for alpha Apr 26 08:26:13 stskeeps: about:cache Apr 26 08:26:34 it's probably in 'disk' instead of 'memory' Apr 26 08:26:54 want a hexdump? :P Apr 26 08:27:01 pastebin it? Apr 26 08:27:05 i'll live :) Apr 26 08:27:16 it's better than rewriting from scratch, and i have text editors which can help Apr 26 08:27:24 http://rafb.net/p/zjwi5898.html Apr 26 08:27:49 hrm Apr 26 08:27:52 actually Apr 26 08:27:54 * timeless puzzles Apr 26 08:28:12 you can probably perl up something that goes hexdump -> file ;) Apr 26 08:28:15 heh u werent expecting quite that drastic lol Apr 26 08:28:20 ok, something *else* is wrong Apr 26 08:28:23 * timeless gets confusd Apr 26 08:28:26 mornin konttori Apr 26 08:28:40 9 finger? Apr 26 08:29:00 oh, i'm stupid :) Apr 26 08:29:02 ok Apr 26 08:29:21 oh cute Apr 26 08:29:28 i have a file here... Apr 26 08:29:33 but it isn't managed by hg Apr 26 08:29:42 well... that's a clever solution Apr 26 08:31:02 konttori: you are not listed over there >>> pm me pls Apr 26 08:32:15 oh well Apr 26 08:32:25 jaffa/konttori: mxr.maemo.org got a visual refresh Apr 26 08:32:37 i might try to give it a content refresh this week Apr 26 08:32:40 timeless: cool Apr 26 08:32:51 it depends on how much time i lose rebuilding the 5 or so computers i need to rebuild atm Apr 26 08:32:57 timeless: cool Apr 26 08:33:04 a friend's Vista laptop, my mac laptop, my work desktop, some vms Apr 26 08:33:10 plus whatever work comes around Apr 26 08:33:13 * Jaffa should get dressed and look after the kids Apr 26 08:33:19 could someone please look through it and give me some comments? Apr 26 08:33:37 it does feel better than the old layout Apr 26 08:34:50 there are basically 10 pages in mxr: /, /tree, /tree/{diff,ident,search,find}, /tree/source/dir, /tree/source/file, /tree/search-help.html Apr 26 08:34:58 well, that's 9, it's probably i've missed one :) Apr 26 08:37:33 btw, is http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2007/install_button_small.png going to get a refresh? Apr 26 08:37:46 it looks bad when people include it into planet.maemo.org :) Apr 26 08:38:29 timeless: somehow the new planet.maemo.org doesn't render nicely on my iceweasel :( Apr 26 08:38:36 timeless: people are starting to look at fremantle sdk, is it possible to include it in your mxr? Apr 26 08:38:56 woo, nailed the bug! Apr 26 08:38:57 crap, gotta go Apr 26 08:39:04 timeless: it's been replaced with http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/icons/application_install.png Apr 26 08:39:06 lcuk: it's on my todolist Apr 26 08:39:12 watch your fingers when hammering Apr 26 08:39:14 * man_in_ltop hands Stskeeps a hammer to nail it on the head Apr 26 08:39:16 cool timeless Apr 26 08:39:27 qwerty12: but people have hard coded it into their blogs Apr 26 08:39:32 and the rss is syndicated... Apr 26 08:39:38 timeless: ahh :/ Apr 26 08:39:49 timeless: replace the file itself Apr 26 08:40:10 anyway, back to the uk for me Apr 26 08:40:15 lcuk: not my file :) Apr 26 08:40:23 konttori: cya later Apr 26 08:40:35 \o folks Apr 26 08:43:49 * timeless chuckles Apr 26 08:44:07 someone wanna tell SebaSOFT that using the alias 'SebaSOFT' for a bug isn't proper use of that field? :) Apr 26 08:45:47 * timeless sighs Apr 26 08:45:56 503 is depressing Apr 26 08:50:01 ~root Apr 26 08:50:01 somebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. Apr 26 08:50:09 ~getroot Apr 26 08:52:25 rootsh? Apr 26 08:52:31 ~root-access Apr 26 08:52:31 i guess root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Apr 26 08:53:38 that's the one :) Apr 26 08:53:59 I have some guy who can't get qt installed on his tablet emailing me Apr 26 08:54:19 mentioned Gronmayer Apr 26 08:54:27 which is some kind of mirror I guess Apr 26 08:56:07 hmm there's no wiki page on "#maemo on irc" Apr 26 08:56:36 http://maemo.org/community/irc/ possibly Apr 26 08:58:06 yeah, I think it needs pointers to a windows + linux client and a few brief comments on connecting and saying "hi" Apr 26 08:58:12 it's linked from http://maemo.org/community/ :) Apr 26 08:58:22 nah Apr 26 08:58:24 mibit Apr 26 08:58:45 OK Apr 26 08:58:48 http://www.mibbit.com/ Apr 26 08:59:13 someone could even try to make mibbit fit into maemo if they like Apr 26 08:59:28 ok, i've sealed my branding changes Apr 26 08:59:40 someone should ping me when the 'beta' bit drops of if they have any issues they care about Apr 26 08:59:45 and i really will try to get the sdk pushed Apr 26 08:59:47 but ... gah Apr 26 08:59:53 hmm, wondering if I could make a mibbit tinyurl or something Apr 26 09:00:06 hello me Apr 26 09:00:10 hi Apr 26 09:00:12 anyone here wanna help me rescue a wVista laptop that does'nt boot? :) Apr 26 09:00:25 sure, I have a debian installer iso Apr 26 09:00:32 * timeless rotfl Apr 26 09:00:33 http://widget.mibbit.com/manager/ Apr 26 09:00:57 sorry though - I've not even seen vista :) Apr 26 09:00:59 21.111) has joined channel #opensolaris Apr 26 09:00:59 *** joyrider_ (i=asf@94-225-22-215.access.telenet.be) has joined channel Apr 26 09:00:59 +#maemo Apr 26 09:00:59 hmm there's no wiki page on "#maemo on irc" Apr 26 09:01:00 *** Signoff: zac ("Leaving.") Apr 26 09:01:00 http://maemo.org/community/irc/ possibly Apr 26 09:01:14 Look. It's 2008. Each time you visit without javascript, another frog dies (It's automatic - wires from webserver to frog electricution chair. Took me 3 weeks to wire that). YOU are responsible. How does that make you feel? hmm? Save frogs. Enable javascript. Apr 26 09:01:41 )2009 Mibbit (tm) Apr 26 09:02:02 * lbt slowly steps away from the keyboard Apr 26 09:03:04 http://widget.mibbit.com/manager/ Apr 26 09:03:09 would help you setup a widget.. Apr 26 09:03:43 lbt: gronmayer is a search engine for repositories Apr 26 09:03:50 usually it means trouble when someone mentions custom repos :P Apr 26 09:04:41 yes... but I'm no good at user support via email - just don't have the maemo user background :) So if I drag him here then I can throw you lot at him :) Apr 26 09:09:17 hi Apr 26 09:33:37 hi Apr 26 09:33:58 could someone visit http://wiki.maemo.org/IRC and try the mibbit link Apr 26 09:34:18 make sure it works (in case it's using cookies for me) Apr 26 09:35:33 I guess so Apr 26 09:35:51 cool Apr 26 09:36:24 hmmm Apr 26 09:37:19 mmmmh Apr 26 10:15:10 MOO? Apr 26 10:15:21 m00. Apr 26 10:15:22 RST38h: hola) Apr 26 10:16:55 heya wazd, Sts Apr 26 10:17:23 wazd: some guy from itt wants larger-than-buttons sensitive areas in ati85 Apr 26 10:17:42 wazd: you think this will fly? I am kinda sceptical, there will be too many false clicks IHO Apr 26 10:17:48 s/IHO/IMHO Apr 26 10:18:07 RST38h: it can be hard to hit with a stylus sometimes Apr 26 10:18:13 if they're too small Apr 26 10:18:17 * Stskeeps has problems with links. Apr 26 10:18:49 * RST38h also has problems with links but the ati85 buttons are way bigger than that Apr 26 10:19:25 RST38h: well, in fact you have larger-than-buttons zones in calc selector and I had no false clicks with it Apr 26 10:20:53 wazd: calc buttons are smaller and more tightly packed Apr 26 10:21:16 going to let this guy come up with his own sensitive area map and try it out =) Apr 26 10:21:52 RST38h: good idea :D Apr 26 10:23:50 I'm heading to St-Petersburg today, to the FRUCT conference Apr 26 10:24:14 ooh, good luck :) Apr 26 10:24:59 Stskeeps: thats way I'm outa development now, was making a presentation :) Apr 26 10:25:03 hehe Apr 26 10:26:38 wazd: Good luck, do not drink too hard =) Apr 26 10:28:52 RST38h: well, I've never been there and I have a lot of comrads so it would be extremely difficult not to :) Apr 26 10:33:37 * Stskeeps ponders idly what to do to fix the problem with his tablet. Apr 26 10:35:45 hm Apr 26 10:35:49 that's interesting Apr 26 10:36:20 looks like there's a small cut in the LCD connector Apr 26 11:23:31 Can anyone tell me where hildon icons are held in maemo? Apr 26 11:23:54 usr/share/icons? Apr 26 11:24:41 oh yep, I was right :) Apr 26 11:31:49 sts: conductive glue? Apr 26 11:32:16 ShadowJK: not sure Apr 26 11:35:44 and how does the unmovable n800 cable develop a cut? :) Apr 26 11:36:07 i have no idea. and it isn't that unmovable. Apr 26 11:36:11 and what were the serious n800 quality issues that the former nokian on itt spoke of Apr 26 11:36:52 I mean I could understand it on n810 when the screen slides up and all... Apr 26 11:37:09 yeah, but if you look inside the n800, it isn't -that- firmly held together Apr 26 11:37:47 * ShadowJK shakes his and listens Apr 26 11:37:58 hehe Apr 26 11:39:01 that service manual was awesome to read, gives you a new appreciation for the devices :) Apr 26 11:39:18 i still wonder if the thing actually has a vibrator in it Apr 26 11:39:37 the wlan test box is both hilarious and awesome at the same time Apr 26 11:41:14 Like, from the pictures it appears to be a d-link consumer wireless ap, in its plastic casing, with a few modules daisy chained to its antenna output, probably signal dampers, and this all put inside a milled aluminium box with insanely thick walls Apr 26 11:41:36 and a grid on the outside of box to align the device on Apr 26 11:43:43 unfortunately it didn't answer what i was looking for: acceptable sensitivity level of touch layer Apr 26 11:43:46 :/ Apr 26 11:43:58 schematics? :P Apr 26 11:44:29 atleast wiring schematics for alot of things Apr 26 11:44:52 and troubleshooters Apr 26 11:45:07 if you find some good reason why my display is scrolling, do say :P Apr 26 11:45:17 image is black -> is the lens dirty? -> clean the lens Apr 26 11:45:19 i have tried to fasten the connector Apr 26 11:45:37 reason: you treated it badly :p Apr 26 11:45:54 heh Apr 26 11:46:02 that's maybe true Apr 26 11:46:37 a moving noncurrupt picture was not in any of the troubleshooters :( Apr 26 11:55:23 * ShadowJK isn't a hw guy :-( Apr 26 11:57:22 omap gives clock signal to the display controller, i guess that makes sense Apr 26 12:01:26 this jpeg in pdf isnt good enough to see :) Apr 26 12:01:31 Hi everybody. I'm new on irc. I have a problem with my n810, look here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=282077#post282077 Apr 26 12:01:39 Thanks Apr 26 12:02:16 ~flash Apr 26 12:02:16 rumour has it, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap Apr 26 12:02:23 sts: does wlan and bluetooth work normally on it? Apr 26 12:02:23 nope Apr 26 12:02:27 ShadowJK: 100% Apr 26 12:02:30 just screen acting up Apr 26 12:02:46 ? Apr 26 12:03:09 mib_u3gsbv: are you luke? Apr 26 12:03:31 yes,I am Apr 26 12:03:37 thought so :) Apr 26 12:03:53 I only created that mibbit thing this morning and you're the only one I've told Apr 26 12:04:12 I understand..hehe Apr 26 12:04:31 have you seen : http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 26 12:05:18 yes,I followed that doc. Apr 26 12:06:13 but it doesn't worked Apr 26 12:06:22 are you david? Apr 26 12:06:37 yes Apr 26 12:06:54 but I'm a linux guy and I don't even have a windows PC :( Apr 26 12:07:07 so I'm not much help at this kind of thing Apr 26 12:07:22 oh, i understand Apr 26 12:07:41 so, i'm asking you two other things: Apr 26 12:07:44 flashing should sort out any issues installing Qt though Apr 26 12:07:48 sure... Apr 26 12:08:44 1. I'm a windows user and as you probably know in windows if you install and unistall lot of apps you'll have a very slow pc, so you have to clean your registry or "re-flash" your pc Apr 26 12:08:48 hi Apr 26 12:08:53 is the same for linus (& maemo)? Apr 26 12:09:10 *linux Apr 26 12:09:15 not quite.... Apr 26 12:09:30 but since everything is free Apr 26 12:09:44 you can end up "tasting" lots and lots of things Apr 26 12:10:07 also Maemo had a problem with lots of various repositories Apr 26 12:10:13 and that caused issues too Apr 26 12:10:42 Once you've done the tasting thing though it's usually very easy to "clean up" Apr 26 12:10:51 without starting from scratch Apr 26 12:11:11 I won't even re-install when I change my motherboard and CPU Apr 26 12:11:35 I was trying to re-flash my n810 because I had some problems (one of theme is about Shopper, as you know). Was it a bad idea? Apr 26 12:11:40 no Apr 26 12:11:45 it makes sense Apr 26 12:11:57 especially if you're new to linux Apr 26 12:12:03 does someone know why maemo-mapper's gps isn't working under os2006 on a N770? Apr 26 12:12:32 the person, who has that problem removed already the .maemo-mapper-folder in /home/user.. Apr 26 12:14:18 mib_u3gsbv: do hang around a while - there'll be lots more people on who can help you get the reflash going Apr 26 12:14:35 it's almost impossible to hurt your tablet Apr 26 12:14:39 oh, i understand Apr 26 12:14:49 cool - you never know :) Apr 26 12:14:56 lbt: oh, it's easy, but only if you do it really really intentionally Apr 26 12:14:57 :P Apr 26 12:15:08 so, it's more important to try to solve my n810 problems, instead trying to reflash it Apr 26 12:15:13 is it right? Apr 26 12:15:59 well, if you haven't started to reflash Apr 26 12:16:04 and it's working well otherwise Apr 26 12:16:13 then it should be fixable Apr 26 12:17:01 ok, so, shopper: I did what you said me, but actually nothing changed Apr 26 12:17:15 I know Apr 26 12:17:33 I think you are looking at the wrong repositories Apr 26 12:17:41 since the qt you mentioned: Apr 26 12:17:50 (=4.5.0-1maemo0) Apr 26 12:18:04 got updated to =4.5.0-1maemo1 a few days ago Apr 26 12:18:07 but where can i found the right repositories? the only place I know is gronmayer Apr 26 12:18:16 you only need one, really Apr 26 12:18:20 ~extras Apr 26 12:18:20 hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Apr 26 12:18:26 there is yet extras Apr 26 12:18:57 I'm here with my tablet, I'm trying another time to install shopper Apr 26 12:19:29 do you have root access? Apr 26 12:19:30 (I updated some hours ago all the repo using x term as you said me (apt-get update) Apr 26 12:19:32 yes Apr 26 12:19:48 Now, should I try by app manager or x term? Apr 26 12:19:48 and as root you can run apt-get install shopper Apr 26 12:19:59 x-term may help get more feedback Apr 26 12:20:03 ok, i try Apr 26 12:20:45 btw. xterm: why is osso_xterm unable to open my example app: cmatrix? Apr 26 12:20:55 isn't it a full featured xterm? Apr 26 12:23:17 I uploaded cmartix to extras-devel while screencasting and uploaded it to youtube as a example for building apps into extras-devel with maemoSDK(-CE [vm]) for the german n800.de forum.. Apr 26 12:23:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zxIJialMuc Apr 26 12:24:28 Ok, it says me that all the dependencies are going to be installed, but then it says E:dependencies not satisfied. Try 'apt-get -f install' Apr 26 12:24:41 ok try that Apr 26 12:25:53 mib_u3gsbv: if you are familar in german try the clip :D Apr 26 12:26:39 lunch now... back l8r.... you may also want to try : apt-get install libqtgui4 Apr 26 12:29:17 ok, i try Apr 26 12:30:03 thopiekar: wouldnt plain step by step text instructions be more useful? Apr 26 12:30:25 E:dependencies not satisfied. Try 'apt-get -f install' Apr 26 12:31:35 RST38h: the clip is the first one and I'm sure that I will change from gnome to xfce because of it's size.. Apr 26 12:31:56 the download ist now about 2,6GB big.. Apr 26 12:32:38 thats to big to share it via bt with 50kbit/s upload.. Apr 26 12:33:06 so the clip will be not very long useful.. Apr 26 12:33:42 it's just a little and short preview how to package to extras-devel.. Apr 26 12:33:52 :) Apr 26 12:35:24 Ok, for now thanks. Bye. See u later Apr 26 12:37:31 my midori save as doesn't work and haven't got clue why Apr 26 12:51:05 thux: on ssl-connections? mine is crashing, too.. Apr 26 12:55:36 thopiekar: i cannot save any file with midori Apr 26 13:23:18 mib_7b3in1: did apt-get install libqtgui4 give the same problems? Apr 26 13:28:41 Hi, just wondering when i try to use n770 (running n800 maemo..not that it matters for the problem) plugged into the AUX port in my car, the audio needs to be turned all the way up and there's a hiss/distortion. I tried to look on the forums - but no one seemed to have a definitive solution. Any ideas - is it something with mediaplayer itself? Apr 26 13:44:56 The new wiki seems to have lost the 'breadcrumb' menu for subsections... eg http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/About Apr 26 13:54:05 I think I broke the extras-devel Packages.gz file Apr 26 13:55:19 ow :P Apr 26 13:56:24 yerga: could that explain why users are getting apt-get issues with libqtgui4 etc? Apr 26 13:56:48 if it was in the last 2 hours could be Apr 26 13:57:01 the problem is the Packages.gz is bad compressed Apr 26 13:57:06 no, since yesterday Apr 26 13:57:19 OK NP :) Apr 26 14:54:08 timeless: happen to know if opensolaris can do acpi suspend? Apr 26 14:54:46 timeless, you want me to have a go at integrating mxr a lightly more tightly layout-wise? Apr 26 14:55:39 timeless, and welcome back. Glad to hear you had a nice trip. :) Apr 26 14:56:23 It's interesting to see the first real ARM netbooks being ARM11 Apr 26 14:57:52 GeneralAntilles: is there arm netbook? Apr 26 14:59:08 thux, nothing really released at the moment (unless you go back a few years). Apr 26 14:59:20 ok Apr 26 14:59:22 But the Chinese manufacturers that seem to be announcing them are usually ARM11 Apr 26 14:59:40 The Touchbook is probably the one closest to a real release. Apr 26 14:59:48 Although it's not really a netbook. Apr 26 15:00:04 always wondered why not omap netbooks Apr 26 15:00:26 The prototypes I've seen have usually been using Freescale stuff. Apr 26 15:00:32 TI has the OMAP chips for it. Apr 26 15:00:42 I'd LOVE to see an OMAP3440 or OMAP3640 in a netbook. Apr 26 15:01:41 yes Apr 26 15:02:27 x86 atom isn't very nice Apr 26 15:02:51 Nope Apr 26 15:03:11 What bothers me most about my Mini 9 is that no matter what I'm doing with it, the battery life doesn't vary very much. Apr 26 15:03:42 I'm used to being able to leave my N800 on a table for 2 days without issue. Apr 26 15:07:21 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Apr 26 15:08:38 hi Apr 26 15:10:11 !list Apr 26 15:10:38 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:42 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:42 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:42 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:42 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:42 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:43 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:45 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:47 http://mitonight.no-ip.biz Apr 26 15:10:50 whiskey tango foxtrot Apr 26 15:12:28 what was that? Apr 26 15:12:33 drivebyspam Apr 26 15:12:36 ^ Apr 26 15:12:49 That's why we have controls server side. ;) Apr 26 15:14:30 if at least was porn spam Apr 26 15:14:38 but not luck Apr 26 15:14:55 extras-devel seems fixed :) Apr 26 15:15:10 hmmh, there was a maemo mapper developper around here at some point, wasn't there? Apr 26 15:18:08 So who played with qt4 on the sdk? Apr 26 15:18:50 I am playing with qt4 Apr 26 15:20:39 hmhm, even with proj installed, request to %.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f gives 0,000000,0,000000,0,000000,0,000000 Apr 26 15:20:57 not sure how to tell maemo mapper to use proj, or something like that Apr 26 15:21:07 not sure I have the correct proj version either Apr 26 15:22:25 me too Apr 26 15:22:31 (qt4) Apr 26 15:22:40 woglinde cool , what kind of stuff did you do? Apr 26 15:22:52 ported qtnx Apr 26 15:23:02 but that was not too hard Apr 26 15:23:45 I have just been playing around looking at the usr/lib/qt4/examples Apr 26 15:23:47 now I am teaching openembedded to build qt4 X11 with the gles libs Apr 26 15:23:53 I really want to find out what I need to do to get the fingerscrolling in Apr 26 15:24:06 hi Apr 26 15:24:14 X-Fade: PING Apr 26 15:24:15 hi thopiekar Apr 26 15:24:22 hi lbt :) Apr 26 15:25:26 woglinde: does qtnx work well on the tablets? Apr 26 15:25:45 kessj with some tweaking on the server side yes Apr 26 15:25:51 hm oh wait Apr 26 15:25:57 qtnx works very well Apr 26 15:26:09 the nx stuff needed some tweaking on the serverside Apr 26 15:26:24 qtnx only collects to options to start nxproxy and ssh Apr 26 15:26:51 ok , I see Apr 26 15:27:12 is usr/lib/qt4/examples/opengl/hellogl_es2 supposed to work? Apr 26 15:27:24 keesj only on fremantle Apr 26 15:27:44 for the n800 and n810 the gles lib not yet available Apr 26 15:27:49 I am on sbox-FREMANTLE_X86 Apr 26 15:27:55 hm okay Apr 26 15:28:03 you need the pc emulation libs for this Apr 26 15:28:20 mom I will paste the blog entry from kate Apr 26 15:28:40 I think I already did that Apr 26 15:29:05 ah okay Apr 26 15:29:20 http://www.paste-it.net/public/x864781/ (core dump) Apr 26 15:29:41 the the most of the qtdemo's work but I don't know if they use opengl .. Apr 26 15:29:57 you can find out with ldd Apr 26 15:30:00 hmm Apr 26 15:30:12 ldd shows the libs against the exe is linked Apr 26 15:30:18 if you seed libQtGl Apr 26 15:30:19 is libxaw a important lib for the os? Apr 26 15:30:39 thopiekar hm not so impoartant as lib-x11 Apr 26 15:30:57 I wanted to install xterm on my tablet but libxaw is needed. Apr 26 15:31:16 keesj I had segfaults here too with the pc emulation Apr 26 15:31:50 so I made a package from ubuntu'S apt-get source and I going to upload it to extras-devel, but I'm not sure that it will make other builds corrupted.. Apr 26 15:32:58 it wouldn't be the first time that I make others work down.. don't know how to explain that :P Apr 26 15:33:03 * Stskeeps hands thopiekar matches Apr 26 15:33:09 the affine program for example works like a charm Apr 26 15:33:23 thopiekar: just install roxterm instead. Apr 26 15:33:34 posting libxaw will cause havoc, probably Apr 26 15:33:42 k Apr 26 15:34:36 same with roxterm Apr 26 15:36:15 -.-' someone is calling me again on ekiga.net.. Apr 26 15:37:12 Stskeeps: I have nokia repos, extras, extras-devel , diablo-tools and browser extras enabled on my tablet.. Apr 26 15:37:50 there is another repo called sdk on my sb1.. is that where my sb1 is downloading libxaw? Apr 26 15:38:10 in sb1 cmatrix is working.. Apr 26 15:38:37 but thats some kind of remote xterm-shell which osso_xterm isn't.. Apr 26 15:40:34 the app cmatrix says that it needs xterm to view the matrix ( :P ).. Apr 26 16:02:33 mhmh, I fucked my maemo config Apr 26 16:02:46 maemo mapper Apr 26 16:02:48 now it segfaults at startup Apr 26 16:05:34 That's unpleasant. E71x requires $30 PDA data plan. Apr 26 16:06:39 pda data plan? Apr 26 16:06:42 whats this? Apr 26 16:08:07 hello world Apr 26 16:08:16 can i encourage people to consider trying to improve Maemo? Apr 26 16:08:16 hi timeless Apr 26 16:08:18 hi timeless Apr 26 16:08:27 timeles lol Apr 26 16:08:48 timeless: do like i do, a shadow project to improve maemo and spread it :P Apr 26 16:09:08 :D Apr 26 16:09:21 woglinde, as opposed to the $15/mo data plan I have with AT&T now. Apr 26 16:10:16 ga ah okay now I remeber this us shit Apr 26 16:10:42 timeless, get us some hardware. :P Apr 26 16:13:01 /set a new topic tomorrow 1200 utc is long gone Apr 26 16:13:37 hello, can anyone reproduce this bug?https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3557. I can't Apr 26 16:13:55 hm oh Apr 26 16:14:01 everybody can set topic Apr 26 16:14:22 torkiano: i've experienced it raising windows out of spite Apr 26 16:15:58 what version of maemo do you use? Apr 26 16:16:02 Stskeeps, ? Apr 26 16:16:05 diablo, latest Apr 26 16:16:58 ok, I'll change the affected maemo version, thank you Apr 26 16:37:40 timeless: are you following fennec? Apr 26 16:39:24 torkiano, Yes I can reproduce that bug on latest diablo Apr 26 16:40:12 ok, i think my crappy python app is about done :P Apr 26 16:40:32 only thing left is some pop-up menus Apr 26 16:40:33 ShadowJK, thank you for test ;) Apr 26 16:40:45 It's one of the most annoying bugs I encounter in day to day use :) Apr 26 16:40:54 but I managed to reduce it a little bit with a LD_PRELOAD hack Apr 26 16:41:38 It's not exactly an uncommon bug with things originating from mozilla, fennec and firefox does it too :) Apr 26 16:42:00 But on linux desktop, the window managers have tons of code designed to whip firefox until it behaves Apr 26 16:42:01 so ... i want a pop-up menu that appears when you click and hold on the screen Apr 26 16:42:06 like what happens in MiniB Apr 26 16:42:14 or whatever the browser is called : Apr 26 16:42:15 :P Apr 26 16:42:21 microb Apr 26 16:42:34 oops, wrong window ... yeah, microb Apr 26 16:42:58 how do i code up a menu like that? :) Apr 26 16:47:48 hello Apr 26 16:47:56 I'm luke Apr 26 16:48:58 hi luke Apr 26 16:49:14 did you make any progress? Apr 26 16:49:51 well, I found the two files. What I have to do now? Apr 26 16:50:09 can you cut'n'paste them into http://pastebin.com/ Apr 26 16:51:29 at the moment pastebin isn't working Apr 26 16:52:23 http://www.pastebin.cz/ Apr 26 16:53:53 I'm opening sources.list with Notes, but it's empty Apr 26 16:54:02 ok Apr 26 16:54:05 or is notes that can't open it Apr 26 16:54:20 try a 'cat' in xterm to confirm Apr 26 16:54:32 so: cat /etc/apt/sources.list Apr 26 16:55:22 man_in_ltop: google "hildon tap-and-hold signal" and/or "tap_and_hold_setup" Apr 26 16:55:53 "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as root Apr 26 16:55:54 ?? Apr 26 16:55:57 timeless, maybe something generally similar to http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mxr-newstyle-test.jpg (although the sidebar was a bad idea). Apr 26 16:57:54 man_in_ltop: here's some code from my gtk shopper: http://maemo.pastey.net/113117 Apr 26 16:58:13 mib_2snxbu: yes, "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as root Apr 26 16:58:16 "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in x term no results Apr 26 16:58:25 so it's empty :) Apr 26 16:58:29 yeah Apr 26 16:58:38 so? Apr 26 16:58:51 cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Apr 26 16:59:06 (so you don't have any nasty repos with old data in there) Apr 26 16:59:37 ok Apr 26 16:59:56 i can only find C examples, not finding anything in python Apr 26 17:00:11 oh, python... good luck with that :) Apr 26 17:01:39 mib_2snxbu: anything? Apr 26 17:02:21 man_in_ltop: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268123#post268123 Apr 26 17:02:46 http://www.pastebin.cz/32c56216c61632 Apr 26 17:02:47 I used his code for blueman and it worked brilliantly Apr 26 17:03:48 i posted the result Apr 26 17:04:00 ah right Apr 26 17:04:13 I have : deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user Apr 26 17:04:17 gtk.Widget or whatever is given tap_and_hold_setup on hildon Apr 26 17:04:19 and deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user Apr 26 17:04:23 or whatever Apr 26 17:04:24 :P Apr 26 17:04:54 aswell as those 2 mib_2snxbu Apr 26 17:05:19 so add those 2 lines Apr 26 17:05:24 man_in_ltop: yep, you can use it directly on a gtkmenu or just connect your widget to the tap-and-hold signal Apr 26 17:05:26 and then apt-get update Apr 26 17:05:36 ~lart this powervr crap Apr 26 17:05:36 * infobot executes killall -KILL this powervr crap Apr 26 17:07:43 sudo kill -9 -1 Apr 26 17:08:29 Where I have to add the 2 lines http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user?? Apr 26 17:08:50 sorry, into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Apr 26 17:08:51 in app manager? Apr 26 17:08:56 oh, ok Apr 26 17:09:15 I *think* they're standard Apr 26 17:10:11 Can I add theme using notes? Apr 26 17:10:27 on the tablet? Apr 26 17:10:30 should be OK Apr 26 17:10:43 (I'm thinking of windows line endings) Apr 26 17:15:10 Can I try to add the two lines using app Manager > New Catalog? Because if I use directly the file it says "Access Danied" Apr 26 17:15:50 hmm - you're not root then Apr 26 17:16:15 with gpe filemanager i'm not root Apr 26 17:16:29 or Can i add it by xterm? Apr 26 17:16:31 OK, try with appmgr Apr 26 17:16:35 ok Apr 26 17:16:39 Very good, so, catalogue name, distribution, components? Apr 26 17:17:42 name is "Nokia catalogue" Apr 26 17:18:06 for http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ Apr 26 17:18:14 Distribution is blank Apr 26 17:18:22 Components is "user" Apr 26 17:18:49 Then "Nokia catalogue (3rd party software)" Apr 26 17:18:59 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ Apr 26 17:19:02 Distribution is blank again Apr 26 17:19:07 Components is "user" again Apr 26 17:19:33 the Nokia proprietary repo is password-protected :/ Apr 26 17:19:51 apt sends the password Apr 26 17:19:57 ^ Apr 26 17:20:44 (it's not also hard to get; as I was one of the first to find ;)) Apr 26 17:20:57 updated Apr 26 17:21:07 OK Apr 26 17:21:08 now? I try to install Shopper? Apr 26 17:21:15 yep Apr 26 17:21:26 mib_2snxbu: Shopper is terrible :< Apr 26 17:21:27 see if that fixes the dependencies Apr 26 17:21:29 ok, by xterm apt-get install shopper, ok? Apr 26 17:21:37 you could use appmgr Apr 26 17:21:39 qwerty12_N800: oooh, where? Apr 26 17:21:43 ok Apr 26 17:21:46 * lbt slaps luke-jr Apr 26 17:22:12 qwerty12_N800: my apt just errors out on it Apr 26 17:22:13 luke-jr: look in the sources for diablo's apt Apr 26 17:23:08 oh, no. some application packages required for the installation are missing! Apr 26 17:24:18 GeneralAntilles: you've debugged this stuff - mib_2snxbu can't get Qt to install Apr 26 17:24:22 qwerty12_N800: any idea if Nokia would get pissed at me putting it in Gentoo ebuilds? Apr 26 17:24:33 seems like he has some issues with apt etc... Apr 26 17:24:58 Now I must disconnect, we will talk again in another moment. Apr 26 17:25:00 luke-jr: might cause a panic reaction, as it's meant to be only distributed to tablet owners. Apr 26 17:25:03 Thank you very much Apr 26 17:25:11 'k mib_2snxbu Apr 26 17:25:21 hm Apr 26 17:25:28 * luke-jr ponders Apr 26 17:29:41 luke-jr, there's a reason it's passworded Apr 26 17:30:15 luke-jr, unless you want to severely harm Nokia's attitude towards open source, DO NOT put that password into Gentoo. Apr 26 17:30:44 GAN8001: ok, any suggestions? Apr 26 17:30:56 file a bug? Apr 26 17:30:57 currently I'm using a non-passworded mirror Apr 26 17:31:04 Stskeeps: what bug? Apr 26 17:31:15 If people with tablets want access, they can find the patch themselves Apr 26 17:31:36 You're MIRRORING the upgrade repo? . . . Apr 26 17:31:46 GAN8001: not me Apr 26 17:32:11 GAN8001: that's not very user-friendly Apr 26 17:32:30 luke-jr: there's contractual agreements to be taken into account Apr 26 17:32:47 they license it for their tablets Apr 26 17:33:03 Tough. Nokia's relicensing their own stuff, but Flash and other licensed 3rd-party stuff you don't have a free pass to redistribute Apr 26 17:33:47 GAN8001: I don't know the mirror is complete. Apr 26 17:34:23 maybe I can hope GPSd guy reverse engineers GPS5300 enough Apr 26 17:34:43 luke-jr: anyway, bad bad bad thing to get into - it might destroy any ability we'll have in the future to actually be -able- to distribute this kind of stuff :P Apr 26 17:35:15 Stskeeps: any suggestions on a good way? Apr 26 17:35:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_firmware_image_distribution is part of our approach these days Apr 26 17:35:49 Wait for Nokia to relicense their stuff for Mer. Apr 26 17:36:06 and yeah.. hang on while we get the specifics right Apr 26 17:36:10 should benefit us all Apr 26 17:36:46 my intended approach shouldn't limit it to being Mer being the receiver, just the tablets themselves Apr 26 17:37:29 I wonder about potential new stuff in "N900", even if Mer could technically run it, would Nokia allow it on the previous tablets? Apr 26 17:37:51 Like potentially updated skype and/or flash, for example.. Apr 26 17:38:21 ShadowJK: that's always a good question Apr 26 17:38:30 It's not up to Nokia Apr 26 17:38:34 * Stskeeps is just caring about HW support. Apr 26 17:38:37 Skype distributes their binaries themselves. Apr 26 17:38:43 yeah, that too Apr 26 17:38:51 Skype can run on Mer, if we look at it cynically Apr 26 17:38:56 People keep bringing 3rd-party non-bundled applications into this when they really don't belong in this discussion. :P Apr 26 17:39:09 As users can go right to these 3rd-party websites and download them. Apr 26 17:39:27 Skype is awesomely hardcoded for 800x480, though. Apr 26 17:39:33 Ah I just assumed Nokia did what they do on the symbian side, pay off people to port/write stuff Apr 26 17:40:02 Sure, they paid them to write it. Apr 26 17:40:15 But that doesn't make it non redistributable. Apr 26 17:41:33 Stskeeps: you don't care about GPS? Apr 26 17:41:46 luke-jr: oh, i care about gps Apr 26 17:41:55 the page doesn't list it Apr 26 17:42:06 luke-jr: there's another proposal later in the thread Apr 26 17:42:53 basically 1) nokia doesn't see a problem in distributing nokia software to nokia tablets (behind a EULA agreement) 2) they got the information on HW very early, and are talking to the 3rd party vendors that has provided them Apr 26 17:43:13 Stskeeps: that link doesn't help Gentoo Apr 26 17:43:22 Gentoo users need to download each .deb file themselves Apr 26 17:43:31 luke-jr: yes, and that's how the actual approach will be Apr 26 17:43:35 basically Apr 26 17:44:02 go to page, indicate your MAC and accept EULA, you get delivered a token, just like with fremantle SDK nokia-binaries Apr 26 17:44:07 and a deb sources line Apr 26 17:44:20 from that repository (access allowed with your token) you can grab the bits you need Apr 26 17:44:27 that's how i hope it'll work Apr 26 17:44:53 i c Apr 26 17:44:58 you can also download prefabricated images behind the EULA. or the open source part without EULA. Apr 26 17:45:38 i have no idea if gentoo allows export MAEMOORGTOKEN= though :P Apr 26 17:45:47 to download using the right token Apr 26 17:46:39 Stskeeps: might work as a var in make.conf Apr 26 17:46:45 k Apr 26 17:47:12 i know this approach isn't as good as open sourcing things, but it is more realistic to let happen Apr 26 17:47:16 but SRC_URI isn't supposed to change ever Apr 26 17:47:20 so maybe not :x Apr 26 17:47:30 well, GPS stuff needs to be open anyway Apr 26 17:47:38 why, really? :P Apr 26 17:47:47 I don't want GNOME Apr 26 17:47:51 GTK != GNOME. Apr 26 17:47:52 :P Apr 26 17:47:55 I don't want "user" Apr 26 17:48:04 ah, we can agree on user. Apr 26 17:48:05 :P Apr 26 17:48:06 actually, gpsdriver links to GNOME libs Apr 26 17:48:40 libgconf Apr 26 17:48:40 which you may argue is insane Apr 26 17:48:53 gconf is generic configuration on maemo really Apr 26 17:48:57 it's better than custom files Apr 26 17:49:03 Stskeeps: I asked that the proprietary protocols be moved to a library, and the rest opened Apr 26 17:49:24 right, bark up TI's tree then Apr 26 17:49:30 ? Apr 26 17:49:53 TI wouldn't be happy with that? Apr 26 17:50:06 ok, library maybe Apr 26 17:50:20 * Stskeeps goes back to dealing with OBS. Apr 26 17:51:17 * lcuk is home Apr 26 17:51:20 wb Apr 26 17:51:24 safe journey? Apr 26 17:51:26 ta :D Apr 26 17:51:39 yeah i stayed away from all the doors lol Apr 26 17:56:40 Stskeeps: the Portage devs are telling me to simply force the user to download the file manually Apr 26 17:56:50 luke-jr: a better way yeah Apr 26 17:57:04 Stskeeps: so it's between continuing to use no-password-mirror or that Apr 26 17:57:19 am I risking pissing someone off doing #1, if we have only 3 users? Apr 26 17:57:45 Number of users won't change the impact it has Apr 26 17:57:55 Especially if it's something as high profile as Gentoo Apr 26 17:58:03 will fact that I'm not doing the redistribution? Apr 26 17:58:33 Somebody's doing it. Apr 26 17:58:44 yeah, but they're doing it whether I link or not Apr 26 17:58:58 luke-jr: the idea is to avoid an arms race really. Apr 26 17:59:03 Then don't encourage it or promote it. Apr 26 17:59:06 Who is it, anyway? Apr 26 17:59:12 dunno, Google found it ;) Apr 26 17:59:35 http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ Apr 26 17:59:39 anyone know him? Apr 26 17:59:50 lol Apr 26 17:59:53 timeless Apr 26 18:00:00 heh Apr 26 18:00:07 ah Apr 26 18:00:13 I don't think I've met him Apr 26 18:00:59 that's a old mirror. good for getting ftd from ;) Apr 26 18:03:24 From before it was passworded, actually.. Apr 26 18:03:44 ö Apr 26 18:03:50 so I'm using ancient gpsdriver? :< Apr 26 18:04:07 ftd? Apr 26 18:04:56 Early 2008 ancient. Apr 26 18:05:12 hm Apr 26 18:06:04 dislexy is sometimes funny Apr 26 18:06:33 where is apt src? Apr 26 18:14:04 Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/./Packages.gz 401 Unauthorized [IP: 98.174.28.51 80] Apr 26 18:14:09 my Maemo can't get it Apr 26 18:14:41 yay, my crappy program is working Apr 26 18:14:49 next stage is to package it Apr 26 18:14:56 but sleep first Apr 26 18:16:11 hey is it possible to get banned from here? Apr 26 18:16:52 of course it is :P Apr 26 18:16:57 because this place never gets spammed unlike the foum Apr 26 18:17:06 oh, we do get spammed Apr 26 18:17:24 oh what like advertising or general annoyance Apr 26 18:17:34 both Apr 26 18:17:51 Yeah, banning is possible. ;) Apr 26 18:17:52 could you help me with something Apr 26 18:19:11 my n810 internal memory does not have enough space to store maps anymore because i partioned it so i can boot from it, is there a way of saving the maps to another location(external memory card) Apr 26 18:19:32 move to a smaler country Apr 26 18:19:38 uk Apr 26 18:19:44 WTF kind of a password is ______⁇? Apr 26 18:19:45 small enough Apr 26 18:19:52 luke-jr: beats me. Apr 26 18:20:03 it works though. Apr 26 18:20:08 but the principle isn't the password Apr 26 18:20:14 the principle is the method it gets the login Apr 26 18:20:28 which is based on the tablet information Apr 26 18:20:40 so theres no way of changing the default map storage location Apr 26 18:20:43 mib_ywzy12, i dont think there is officially, you could make some sort of symlink, but the best recommendation is restore the 2gb back to its proper size and do your real messing on a removable Apr 26 18:21:05 fuck Apr 26 18:21:10 excuse my french Apr 26 18:21:18 is that french for thanks? Apr 26 18:21:24 yes lol Apr 26 18:21:31 good! Apr 26 18:21:43 ill try to change the partion size Apr 26 18:21:55 if possible without removing the os Apr 26 18:21:56 if the maps expects to be /media/mmc1/mapssomething/ Apr 26 18:22:07 you could replace mapssomething with a big symlink Apr 26 18:22:16 mmc2^ Apr 26 18:22:23 how do i do that? Apr 26 18:22:42 Stskeeps: so it'd be ok if I put the password in the repo, and had it calculate teh username? Apr 26 18:22:44 i dunno its not official Apr 26 18:22:56 tis just an idea to try and help Apr 26 18:23:09 ok thank Apr 26 18:23:12 you Apr 26 18:24:19 so anything new for the tablets? Apr 26 18:24:24 luke-jr: rot13 the password for good measure.. but really, it's awkward to add to gentoo rep - or is it your own branch? Apr 26 18:24:44 Stskeeps: right now, it's a n8x0 repo Apr 26 18:25:17 k Apr 26 18:26:05 how do i get to the thing that letsme change the boot settings Apr 26 18:26:12 ive downloaded theprogram Apr 26 18:26:22 oh pb Apr 26 18:26:24 sorry Apr 26 18:27:29 is it possible tochange the partion without messing up the os saved on the internal Apr 26 18:29:28 ? Apr 26 18:32:54 Jackdoor: partition inner flash ? Apr 26 18:34:25 no the internal memory card Apr 26 18:34:36 i want to change the partion size Apr 26 18:34:46 but not delete the boot file Apr 26 18:37:53 Jackdoor: never tried parted on sdcard Apr 26 18:39:03 ok Apr 26 18:39:32 not many people talk on here do they Apr 26 18:42:51 maybe more at office days and hours Apr 26 18:45:01 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/1403515 Apr 26 18:46:25 you're missing the /proc/component_version stuff Apr 26 18:46:41 Stskeeps: it's in /proc/cpuinfo too Apr 26 18:46:51 really? Apr 26 18:46:52 hmm Apr 26 18:46:56 yeah Apr 26 18:47:15 fair enough i guess Apr 26 18:47:19 that perl script works on my device, at least Apr 26 18:47:33 i personally can't read that, so i guess it's good Apr 26 18:47:39 feel free to rot13 the pwd too :P Apr 26 18:47:53 eh Apr 26 18:47:59 Stskeeps: that generates both username and password Apr 26 18:48:01 k Apr 26 18:48:04 from /proc/cpuinfo stuff Apr 26 18:48:08 fair enough Apr 26 18:48:25 oh, the other dirty trick Apr 26 18:48:34 mount rootfs in jffs and copy Apr 26 18:48:38 that's fairly common usage Apr 26 18:49:41 less trouble Apr 26 18:50:07 what? Apr 26 18:50:42 I don't get that Apr 26 18:50:44 mount the Maemo rootfs from jffs and copy in the binaries from there Apr 26 18:50:49 jffs/internal flash Apr 26 18:50:53 that's what mamona does, for instance Apr 26 18:51:26 why would the binaries be there? Apr 26 18:51:27 and Apr 26 18:51:34 I don't want to assume they have Maemo Apr 26 18:51:35 ☺ Apr 26 18:51:46 k Apr 26 19:04:39 * RST38h moos slightly Apr 26 19:05:46 * lcuk whimpers pathetically Apr 26 19:07:10 * RST38h feeds stripes of bacon to lcuk Apr 26 19:07:27 heh thanks Apr 26 19:07:36 Here is another piece of non-news to entertain you this evening: http://www.edge-online.com/features/playing-to-new-nations Apr 26 19:07:43 i can eat bacon quite well but i cant hold a knife to cut other meats Apr 26 19:08:08 Stskeeps: err, the u/p I found don't actually work :< Apr 26 19:08:10 Qualcomm based, seemingly directed "at developing markets" which translates to "marketing department has not done its homework" Apr 26 19:09:16 lcuk: the solution is to get a prosthetic finger ending with a scalpel Apr 26 19:09:32 lcuk: imagine all the possibilities! Apr 26 19:09:33 its already got a spoon on the end Apr 26 19:09:41 nono. Apr 26 19:09:44 Stylus finger. Apr 26 19:09:46 and i should do what that finnish biker did get a usb stick lol Apr 26 19:09:50 ooooh Apr 26 19:10:02 grow your fingernails and file them to a point Apr 26 19:10:09 s'what I do... Apr 26 19:10:16 lbt, i cant grow any fingernails at the moment Apr 26 19:10:23 did u see the xray? Apr 26 19:10:29 no? Apr 26 19:10:35 you? Apr 26 19:10:36 http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg Apr 26 19:10:39 yes Apr 26 19:10:46 eek Apr 26 19:11:03 What happened? Apr 26 19:11:04 i went on a trip to somewhere northern and cold and found out the company isnt very finger friendly lol Apr 26 19:12:05 you picked your nose didn't you! Apr 26 19:12:07 lcuk: qwerty12 bit your finger off?!? Apr 26 19:12:43 mmm... finger... Apr 26 19:12:52 bacon flavoured probably Apr 26 19:12:54 hoi qwerty12_N800 Apr 26 19:12:56 [speaking to himself] ...or maybe a bright white LED that lights up in the dark... Apr 26 19:13:08 hi radic Apr 26 19:13:42 no lbt, i was leaving a big building and i reached for the handle and pushed, found it was locked, so pressed what would be the unlock button - then reached again for the handle at the same time the door (ovi..) opened outwards trapping my finger and completely uncovering the tip Apr 26 19:14:02 ive got blood splatter over my clothes and it was all over my face too Apr 26 19:14:16 SUE THEM Apr 26 19:14:38 * lcuk checks to see if hes american Apr 26 19:15:29 qwerty12_N800: why i ran into problems when i connect via ppp0 and bring up wlan0 with iwconfig? Apr 26 19:15:58 lcuk: Definitely SUE. Apr 26 19:16:21 it's a no brainer Apr 26 19:16:22 radic: no idea, I never config wlan0 in maemo :) Apr 26 19:16:46 lcuk: sue, shoot or chop their fingers off Apr 26 19:21:04 One of my neighbors changed their SSID to 'EoW2012'. Apr 26 19:26:40 They expect Obama to abdicate to Antichrist in 2012? Apr 26 19:26:55 Or do they expect the Antichrist to win elections fairly? =) Apr 26 19:27:48 RST38h: what elections? Apr 26 19:27:51 you expect there to be a USA in 2012? Apr 26 19:28:46 and how did Antichrist come up? Apr 26 19:29:38 please change yours to "Welcome666" Apr 26 19:30:01 >_< Apr 26 19:30:12 or convert to base 42 Apr 26 19:30:15 "WelcomeAI" Apr 26 19:30:16 luke: well, somebody has to start an Apocalypse, and you really can't count on anyone but USA for that Apr 26 19:30:47 RST38h: "EoW" implied "end of world" to me-- which is inherently after any apocalypses Apr 26 19:31:31 You mean it is gonna happen earlier than 2012? Ok, fair Apr 26 19:33:09 more likely GAN800's neighbor is loony Apr 26 19:33:19 I don't expect EoW anytime too soon Apr 26 19:33:39 there are far too many people expecting EoW for it to be soon Apr 26 19:33:47 Total world economic collapse, however. Apr 26 19:33:53 sure Apr 26 19:33:59 divine chastisement too, I'm sure Apr 26 19:34:01 but not the end Apr 26 19:41:08 Stskeeps: any reason to think Nokia will be annoyed if I mirror GPL'd stuff behind the password? Apr 26 19:41:18 none at all Apr 26 19:41:25 that's 100% legit Apr 26 19:41:36 The problem really is Flash and other licensed stuff. Apr 26 19:43:37 luke-jr: think you can already grab that though, but i guess Apr 26 19:44:46 luke-jr: if it's GPL, can't you just rebuild for Gentoo with the sources Nokia have put out? Apr 26 19:48:09 qwerty12_N800: no idea, it seems extremely difficult to find any N8x0-related sources Apr 26 19:49:30 Erm? Apr 26 19:49:30 wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages is a good start Apr 26 19:49:35 repository.maemo.org? Apr 26 19:50:32 luke-jr: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ Apr 26 19:50:40 GeneralAntilles: that's packages Apr 26 19:50:44 not sources Apr 26 19:50:55 No, it's sources too. Apr 26 19:52:49 hey everyone, how about porting this to maemo? http://titaniumapp.com/ Apr 26 19:53:13 * xnt_ checks Mer Wiki Page Apr 26 19:53:48 0.11 already? Apr 26 19:53:56 * xnt_ wants his nit back Apr 26 19:54:06 0.12 tomorrow Apr 26 19:54:29 xnt_: it has a very silly name =) Apr 26 19:54:34 Im going to demand my nit from my parents tomorrow Apr 26 19:54:46 robtaylor: what Mer? Apr 26 19:55:19 xnt_: wtf? Apr 26 19:55:42 luke-jr: what? :P Apr 26 19:56:00 xnt_: what's up w/ your NIT? Apr 26 19:56:11 Titanium looks like a bad idea, IMO Apr 26 19:56:17 at least the license Apr 26 19:56:24 my gym teacher confiscated it after It fell out of my pocket Apr 26 19:56:36 xnt_: eh? sue? Apr 26 19:56:42 they have no right to steal your stuff Apr 26 19:57:21 luke-jr: actually now my parents have it now :( Apr 26 19:58:19 * xnt_ wishes that he could sue his school for banning electronic devices in this tech centric world Apr 26 19:59:08 If you could get stupid kids from texting in class. ;) Apr 26 19:59:24 seriously, when I was in 2nd grade I brought my dos tablet to school and it wasn't confiscated, now if I bring a flashlight into school they confiscated Apr 26 20:00:47 GA: yeah, I know this girl who got a call from her parents and she answered it and now the school won't give her parents her phone Apr 26 20:01:30 in my english class: like 7 kids text eachother and the teacher doesn't see Apr 26 20:01:39 GeneralAntilles: how about mirroring BSD-licensed Nokia blobs? Apr 26 20:02:50 like libsupld Apr 26 20:03:05 eh, don't think that's bsd licensed Apr 26 20:03:28 schools aren't designed to work with technology, exams are completely stupid in that respect, great, I passed my exam, now I can know stuff the one time in my life I'm not connected to everyone on the planet and all information Apr 26 20:04:11 Stskeeps: the package says it is Apr 26 20:04:34 check the 'copyright' file Apr 26 20:12:18 if i buy an n810 that says it comes with os2008...should i flash still? Apr 26 20:12:33 probably Apr 26 20:12:38 z4chh_ is it the latest? Apr 26 20:12:46 Anyway, there's no harm in flashing. Apr 26 20:13:10 yeah :\ Apr 26 20:13:15 i like flashing anyways Apr 26 20:13:16 kind of fun Apr 26 20:13:36 makes me feel good Apr 26 20:21:44 there any content released with some of the specs of the new tablet device? Apr 26 20:22:28 I heard that it doesn't have a stylus Apr 26 20:23:23 o_o Apr 26 20:29:34 repost: YAY! http://xceleo.com/mer11.png Apr 26 20:31:51 lbt, lol. Apr 26 20:32:28 z4chh, pretty much everything we know: Apr 26 20:32:33 ~rx-51 Apr 26 20:32:33 well, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html Apr 26 20:34:02 * xnt_ wonders why b-man isn't on (sunday here in ny) Apr 26 20:34:28 heh Apr 26 20:34:31 vibration function Apr 26 20:34:37 and they still claim no cell support? Apr 26 20:35:50 VoIP? Apr 26 20:36:06 VoIP doesn't work in scenarios where you want vibration Apr 26 20:36:16 Um? Apr 26 20:36:19 eg, out and about w/ the NIT in your pocket Apr 26 20:36:23 With cellular data? Apr 26 20:36:29 oh, possibly Apr 26 20:36:50 they going to get providers to support that? Apr 26 20:37:00 I have yet to see a cell data plan usable for VoIP Apr 26 20:45:30 * ShadowJK has one usable for voip Apr 26 20:45:54 skype is a bit dubious on it, p2p not allowed Apr 26 20:53:00 hello Apr 26 20:53:10 I'm having some hardware problem with my n810 Apr 26 20:53:14 I suspect a broken battery Apr 26 20:53:28 or a broken charging controller Apr 26 20:53:32 symptom? Apr 26 20:53:55 charges the battery fine Apr 26 20:54:09 then hangs on battery full Apr 26 20:54:14 even when I remove the charger Apr 26 20:54:31 Have you reflashed? Apr 26 20:54:36 sometimes the device doesn't start and is killed by the watchdog Apr 26 20:54:47 I will try that, but that's obviously work-intensive Apr 26 20:54:54 out of space, AStorm ? Apr 26 20:54:59 You're not booting from a flash card? Apr 26 20:55:03 hmm, unlikely, but I'll check Apr 26 20:55:08 I'm not... n810 and all Apr 26 20:55:19 booting from flash card means I can't use flash card for data Apr 26 20:55:19 well, internal mmc then Apr 26 20:55:38 unless you pick up a mini one Apr 26 20:55:41 yes, but as I've been using the device round the clock I didn't have time to reinstall Apr 26 20:56:00 lcuk, mini what? I mean, I can't use the port if it's taken by the OS ;P Apr 26 20:56:02 Huh? Apr 26 20:56:09 Where does data go on your desktop? Apr 26 20:56:31 it goes to the card then I sometimes back it up Apr 26 20:56:36 mmc2 is the internal 2gb device memory i assume you mean, mmc1 is removable Apr 26 20:56:38 The OS only takes up about 512MB Apr 26 20:56:42 move data back and forth sometimes (now less thanks to sshfs) Apr 26 20:56:53 less Apr 26 20:56:55 :) Apr 26 20:57:07 the whole trick is I'd have to move it to mmc2 Apr 26 20:57:20 and I couldn't because the device is in constant use... mostly Apr 26 20:57:27 OK, whatever. Apr 26 20:57:29 depends on the OS Apr 26 20:57:47 well, now it works... charging and battery meter Apr 26 20:57:50 AStorm: 8 GB miniSD is plenty of space ;) Apr 26 20:57:50 for some reason Apr 26 20:57:55 it doesn't work intermittently Apr 26 20:58:04 luke-jr, I know it is, that's why I want to have that removable Apr 26 20:58:15 and not throw all that data via Wifi Apr 26 20:58:18 O.o Apr 26 20:58:30 USB? Apr 26 20:58:50 * konttori just posted a small blog about tracker on maemo http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/little-tracking-for-people-waiting-for.html Apr 26 20:59:01 in case anyone is interested about such things at this hour Apr 26 20:59:04 less handy and not all that fast :/ Apr 26 20:59:06 tracker? Apr 26 20:59:19 tracker is the metadata engine on fremantle Apr 26 20:59:21 is it possible to install maemo sdk in a amd64 system? Apr 26 20:59:26 konttori, mmh Apr 26 20:59:46 torkiano, sure it is, if you can run virtual machines :P Apr 26 20:59:56 or are well-versed in scratchbox2 Apr 26 21:00:01 perhaps I should mention that we have exactly the same tracker in the latest ubuntu as we have on fremantle Apr 26 21:00:13 (jaunty) Apr 26 21:00:39 AStorm, so I should develop in 32 bit virtual machine Apr 26 21:00:43 Available versions: *0.6.3 ~*0.6.6 *0.6.6-r1 ⁑9999 {applet debug deskbar gnome gsf gstreamer gtk hal jpeg kernel_linux pdf xine} Apr 26 21:00:51 torkiano, yes, that will work the best Apr 26 21:00:52 I think that means they're all masked on ARM Gentoo :/ Apr 26 21:00:55 scratchbox is very picky Apr 26 21:01:19 and with sb2? Apr 26 21:01:21 luke-jr, there's almost no ARM Gentoo :) Apr 26 21:01:27 AStorm: N810 Apr 26 21:01:32 torkiano, I don't know how to set that up, so ask someone else Apr 26 21:01:39 I installed it in jaunty (Its on the official repos) Apr 26 21:02:00 konttori, awesome, thanks. Apr 26 21:02:13 I was going to bug the Tracker devs to do something more user-oriented. Apr 26 21:02:22 np. lemme know if I can help Apr 26 21:03:08 ukmp... again? :) Apr 26 21:03:15 I guess I should try it out Apr 26 21:03:31 but that after I fix my earphones Apr 26 21:03:33 AStorm: want to be the 4th Gentoo N8x0 user⁈ Apr 26 21:03:49 no reason to yet, and I'd have to ebuildize a lot of stuff Apr 26 21:03:55 like what? Apr 26 21:04:10 (maemopad++, maemo-mapper) Apr 26 21:04:11 AStorm: well, I thought it would be fun to update it to work on fremantle Apr 26 21:04:12 I think the only thing we don't have so far is sound Apr 26 21:04:20 AStorm: ah, I'm hoping to use Marble for GPS Apr 26 21:04:32 Kate/KWrite should be usable for taking notes Apr 26 21:04:43 sound should be possible via ALSA, I somehow managed to get that running, though with some CPU usage Apr 26 21:04:50 I could try again Apr 26 21:05:03 but still, I don't have that much spare time Apr 26 21:05:27 and especially can't afford n810 being out of order for a few weeks now Apr 26 21:05:27 me either Apr 26 21:05:30 I just want something usable Apr 26 21:05:40 there you have Maemo? :) Apr 26 21:05:42 which I didn't consider Maemo to be Apr 26 21:05:54 why? it's *almost* good ;P Apr 26 21:06:03 for taking notes maybe Apr 26 21:06:04 that's about it Apr 26 21:06:09 (excluding random broken nokia closed software) Apr 26 21:06:22 Mapper works half-decent I suppose Apr 26 21:06:25 and using GPS, and IM, and text editing, and... Apr 26 21:06:36 it wasn't usable for IM Apr 26 21:06:40 mapper works very well Apr 26 21:06:43 pidgin works Apr 26 21:07:07 (skype too, but eats too much CPU) Apr 26 21:07:08 I got GPS working on Gentoo Apr 26 21:07:20 good, how? the driver is open or sth? Apr 26 21:07:31 no, the ebuild uses the .deb Apr 26 21:07:41 ah Apr 26 21:07:45 I admit, it has a long TTFF Apr 26 21:07:54 since it has no persistent data Apr 26 21:08:11 well, you can upload ephemeris, ask agps developer Apr 26 21:08:12 or at least Apr 26 21:08:18 USE=-gconf has no persistent data Apr 26 21:08:33 but I really really don't want GNOME on my system Apr 26 21:08:52 deal with it... the almost well done part of maemo is the input method Apr 26 21:09:03 USE=-gconf uses dd to null out some regions Apr 26 21:09:07 (one annoying thing is that hwr can't take national characters of my language) Apr 26 21:09:12 Maemo input is terrible. :/ Apr 26 21:09:18 I like my X keymap better Apr 26 21:09:23 so I can type pipe and stuff Apr 26 21:09:28 better than no virtual keyboard and no handwriting Apr 26 21:09:34 I suppose the stickkeys implementation is OK Apr 26 21:09:36 yes, that can be done on Maemo too Apr 26 21:09:58 sticky keys are actually broken, you can do better using that X extension... AccessX Apr 26 21:10:08 sticky keys works for me in Maemo Apr 26 21:10:16 work, in GTK apps Apr 26 21:10:25 which is meh Apr 26 21:10:37 esp. when there's X-wide support Apr 26 21:10:40 im going to break the world record for time it takes from recieving an n810 to the time it takes to flash it :) Apr 26 21:10:47 KDE 4.2 screwed up my Xmodmap :< Apr 26 21:11:00 heh, that's KDE, taking over your world Apr 26 21:11:45 ive got scripts ready so i can type one command...and my usb cable ready Apr 26 21:12:15 z4chh, add HAL/udev to launch them Apr 26 21:12:17 z4chh_: chances are it won't work with your USB cable Apr 26 21:12:19 no need to type ;) Apr 26 21:13:34 luke-jr, is it not the same type as the n800 cable? Apr 26 21:13:43 at least one end.. Apr 26 21:13:54 oh, you already have one? Apr 26 21:14:00 n800 yes Apr 26 21:16:21 konttori, I much prefer updating play count at 50% for scrobbling purposes. Apr 26 21:35:50 hello world! Apr 26 21:36:00 wazd: hello Apr 26 21:36:20 brb Apr 26 21:36:34 I'm in the middle of the nowhere, heading to St. Petersburg :) Apr 26 21:49:52 <[A2K]_> hello Apr 26 21:50:04 <[A2K]_> i have problems installing nitdroid, can somebody help me? Apr 26 21:50:24 hey, someone in my bug report just said that the latest maemo version is 5.2008.43-7 and not 4.2008.23-14. should't the update manager make it available for me to upgrade without re-flashing? Apr 26 21:50:55 guysoft42, not if you removed osso-software-version somewhere along the way. Apr 26 21:50:58 ~ssu Apr 26 21:50:58 i heard ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Apr 26 21:51:06 <[A2K]_> i have mounted internal card on my computer, created 3 partitions (vfat,nothing,ext3) and flashed the nitdroid kernel, but it does not boot - i see only droid image. Apr 26 21:51:21 <[A2K]_> i have copied android files to third partition too. Apr 26 22:07:16 GeneralAntilles, thanks... upgraded.. Apr 26 22:09:17 andre__, hey, i commented back on your reply to my bug.. still happens Apr 26 22:14:42 * b-man` is porting Darwin software to his N800 XD Apr 26 22:21:19 guysoft42, thanks! Apr 26 22:23:58 andre__, get my email? Apr 26 22:32:37 GeneralAntilles, yeah, just got back a few hours ago from a wekkend trip Apr 26 22:32:52 Have fun? Apr 26 22:38:01 yay! Apr 27 00:31:49 lol . . . closing Sopwith doesn't stop the horrifying music. Apr 27 00:36:25 :) Apr 27 00:36:35 i just had to install sopwith Apr 27 00:36:39 yay for cga graphics Apr 27 00:40:50 * b-man` has ported the PDisk mac osx partition utility to maemo & ubuntu Apr 27 00:41:22 i still need to package it though Apr 27 00:42:58 that's always the fun part Apr 27 00:44:12 Does pidgin work with the maemo sdk? I can get it installed, but I can't seem to get it to run Apr 27 00:46:45 Probably not. Apr 27 00:46:48 The SDK is not an emulator. Apr 27 00:47:09 man_in_ltop: the hard part was editing the source code so it was compatible with the system ;) Apr 27 00:47:40 :) Apr 27 00:48:48 * b-man` starts to brag about it in #mac XD Apr 27 00:49:06 hehe, so ... my app should have preferences Apr 27 00:51:56 can a full emulator be used to emulate a nokia n810? Apr 27 00:53:29 i believe you can if you use qemu-system-arm Apr 27 00:53:47 * b-man` was able to boot NITdroid in qemu Apr 27 00:56:39 fuzzy, sure, but you'll need an N810 Apr 27 01:05:07 anybody got ekiga working? i have a friend who would like to test it Apr 27 01:09:16 pupnik_: I'm more apt to try getting a Qt phone workign Apr 27 01:09:49 mk. i'd really like to show live video to my leenux friends Apr 27 01:10:23 and or make a n800 doorbell ;) Apr 27 01:11:00 something tells me you could make a better doorbell cheaper Apr 27 01:11:27 pupnik_, rtcomm? Apr 27 01:11:34 The beta should support Ekiga, I think. Apr 27 01:12:01 wasn't rtcomm for bluetooth headsets? Apr 27 01:12:21 rfcomm Apr 27 01:12:28 oh durr Apr 27 01:12:29 rtcomm is the Maemo telepathy framework. Apr 27 01:12:40 ty - i'll check it out Apr 27 01:13:09 You'll need Extras-devel, the rtcomm beta repo and the Colabora repo from gronmayer to install the rtcomm beta. Apr 27 01:13:31 Need to ask qwerty12 what the status of the telepathy libs in Extras is. . . . Apr 27 01:14:14 the whole "Internet Call" thing worked nicely for me when I used Maemo Apr 27 01:15:09 missing video call is a bit of a hole in the product Apr 27 01:15:26 skype is probably holding out for a bigger bribe Apr 27 01:16:27 It's too bad Google can't be arsed to implement their own damn protocol Apr 27 01:16:34 or else GTalk video would work fine. Apr 27 02:30:38 hey Apr 27 02:37:21 hello zakkm Apr 27 02:38:21 b-man`: how did the fvwm-crystal go? Apr 27 02:38:25 you like it? Apr 27 02:39:11 it was ok Apr 27 02:40:22 still prefer gnome over it for tablet? Apr 27 02:40:47 you think if i run off SD + run 48mhz kernel, i would see a speed boost for maemo? Apr 27 02:41:19 probably Apr 27 02:41:32 i found my 4gb card :) Apr 27 02:41:33 my other one Apr 27 02:41:43 awsome :) Apr 27 02:42:04 so now i got 8gb total :D Apr 27 02:42:08 dont know what to do with it Apr 27 02:42:16 * b-man` ported the pdisk mac osx partition utility to maemo/ubuntu btw Apr 27 02:42:36 only good mac osx partition utility is disk utility :p Apr 27 02:43:17 b-man`: is your repository for diablo maemo too? Apr 27 02:43:41 nope, just ubuntu at the moment Apr 27 02:44:07 trying to add more packages to application manager Apr 27 02:44:12 thinking extras + extras-devel isnt enough ;p Apr 27 02:44:25 ohhh do you know how to do the msn haze fix for rtcomm? Apr 27 02:44:28 heh Apr 27 02:44:48 nope Apr 27 02:45:28 zakkm, btw, is disk utility open-source? - i could port it ;) Apr 27 02:46:28 no, its the builtin one.. the one that gets used to install the OS Apr 27 02:46:47 hmm :( Apr 27 02:54:03 apparently dneary has done some work on wengophone / openwengo / qutecom. apparently it's a good FOSS voice/video chat solution. Apr 27 02:54:24 not finding many links though Apr 27 02:56:17 luke-jr: were you talking about openwengo / qutecom back there? Apr 27 02:56:43 < luke-jr> pupnik_: I'm more apt to try getting a Qt phone workign Apr 27 02:57:25 pupnik_: I hadn't anythign in mind specifically Apr 27 02:57:32 pupnik_: but since, I've decided on Kiax2 Apr 27 02:57:57 however, Kiax2 is unlikely to suit your needs **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 27 02:59:56 2009