**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 27 02:59:57 2009
Apr 27 03:09:42 <coeus82> hey guys, I seem to be having issues installing Ubuntu-N8x0 2.2. On step 3 when I enter the following: "mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/jaunty -o noatime" I get mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/jaunty failed
Apr 27 03:09:58 <coeus82> any suggestions?
Apr 27 03:12:17 <zakkm> coeus82: did you do insmod?
Apr 27 03:13:24 <coeus82> zakkm: if I do it again it says "file exists"
Apr 27 03:13:42 <zakkm> does both mmcblk0p2 and /mnt/jaunty exist?
Apr 27 03:13:53 <zakkm> b-man`: you here?
Apr 27 03:14:30 <zakkm> coeus82: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ext3.ko <-- is the one you want in particular
Apr 27 03:14:39 <Macer> wow... cleveland is kind of a fucked up city :)
Apr 27 03:14:44 <coeus82> zakkm: Ya, mmcblk0p2 exists in /dev/ and jaunty in /mnt/
Apr 27 03:14:44 <zakkm> ohh
Apr 27 03:14:51 <zakkm> coeus82: do 0p3 ... not 0p2
Apr 27 03:14:51 <Macer> the streets and houses are really runned down
Apr 27 03:15:12 <zakkm> b-man has to edit the guide, for some reason he put 0p2 , when thats swap, so it wont mount for obvious reasons
Apr 27 03:15:19 <zakkm> guide error by the looks of it
Apr 27 03:15:55 <zakkm> coeus82: yeah, do 0p3
Apr 27 03:16:06 <coeus82> zakkm: When I try it again I get : "insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': File exists (-1): File exists
Apr 27 03:16:22 <zakkm> coeus82: i just realized he did that mount.. in guide wrong.. it should be mmcblk0p3 .. not 0p2
Apr 27 03:16:33 <zakkm> should tell him to change it
Apr 27 03:16:41 <zakkm> he just left awhile ago
Apr 27 03:17:36 <coeus82> zakkm: so what should I do?
Apr 27 03:17:51 <zakkm> mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt/jaunty -o noatime
Apr 27 03:17:58 <coeus82> ah
Apr 27 03:18:13 <zakkm> he screwed up guide making
Apr 27 03:18:19 <zakkm> got the numbers wrong
Apr 27 03:18:23 <coeus82> I see, makes sense and worked
Apr 27 03:18:34 <GeneralAntilles> Liquid cooled, took a piss all over itself.
Apr 27 03:18:44 <GeneralAntilles> Piece of shit computer.
Apr 27 03:18:49 <zakkm> generalantilles: whattt?
Apr 27 03:19:02 <zakkm> generalantilles: you see the new adium nightly, running irc from adium :D
Apr 27 03:19:06 <GeneralAntilles> Wrong damn channel.
Apr 27 03:19:29 <GeneralAntilles> Any good?
Apr 27 03:19:33 <coeus82> zakkm: do I need to get boot menu installed to run this? I'm not really sure what to do once all is done
Apr 27 03:19:37 <zakkm> working perfectly
Apr 27 03:19:39 <GeneralAntilles> Colloquy is a buggy, CPU cycle-eating piece of garbage.
Apr 27 03:19:44 <zakkm> i dont know any special irc stuff mind you
Apr 27 03:19:47 <GeneralAntilles> Nick coloring?
Apr 27 03:19:49 <zakkm> yeah
Apr 27 03:19:54 <zakkm> follows normal adium skin
Apr 27 03:19:58 <zakkm> irc channel is a chat window
Apr 27 03:20:06 <zakkm> and on right side shows the users
Apr 27 03:20:13 <zakkm> autologins and such , channels and all you want
Apr 27 03:20:39 <zakkm> neve rliked colloquy, linkinus was awesome though but its like 14 day trial
Apr 27 03:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> Linkinus's window management sucks.
Apr 27 03:21:10 <zakkm> its so nice for me, this, cause it fits perfectly into adium
Apr 27 03:21:18 <GeneralAntilles> Or, rather, lack thereof.
Apr 27 03:21:23 <zakkm> and its like another person your talking to , with skin and such
Apr 27 03:22:35 <zakkm> is there a simple way to make menu items? like simple nano'ing typing?
Apr 27 03:22:52 <zakkm> in maemo
Apr 27 03:25:59 <zakkm> generalantilles: you dont happen to know the rtcomm msn haze fix would you?
Apr 27 03:26:23 <GeneralAntilles> Don't use MSN
Apr 27 03:26:36 <zakkm> im a highschool student, i dont have a choice in the matter
Apr 27 03:26:51 <zakkm> socially i require it, same with facebook
Apr 27 03:27:34 <zakkm> i remember being on here ages ago and someone had a fix and it worked, but i totally forgotten everything
Apr 27 03:28:33 <GeneralAntilles> Er, I don't.
Apr 27 03:29:12 <zakkm> also if you dont mind me asking, do you know a good way to fill a 8gb sd card?
Apr 27 03:29:16 <zakkm> useful way
Apr 27 03:29:43 <GeneralAntilles> Music, movies, ebooks?
Apr 27 03:30:35 <zakkm> my music takes like 200mb, dont watch movies on the go, ebooks are small i think
Apr 27 03:30:36 <rm_you> zakkm: I keep like 3g of maps for Maemo Mapper for my area :)
Apr 27 03:30:43 <zakkm> i was thinking bigger swap, but thats all
Apr 27 03:30:50 <zakkm> give it like 512mb swap for maemo or something
Apr 27 03:30:53 <rm_you> often proves very useful
Apr 27 03:31:16 <zakkm> i lived in the same place my whole life, i think i know the area too well
Apr 27 03:31:41 <zakkm> also, if im with someone, like everyone i know has a ipod touch/iphone, and then theres maps on that thats cool
Apr 27 03:31:53 <rm_you> brb, reboot necessary
Apr 27 03:38:54 <GeneralAntilles> Not perfect.
Apr 27 03:39:14 <GeneralAntilles> No tab-completion is bad.
Apr 27 03:39:20 <zakkm> ?
Apr 27 03:39:25 <GeneralAntilles> Adium
Apr 27 03:40:54 <zakkm> adium irc?
Apr 27 03:41:08 <zakkm> whats tab-completion?
Apr 27 03:41:52 <GAN800> zak<tab> gives you zakkm
Apr 27 03:42:04 <zakkm> zakkm: yes it does
Apr 27 03:42:07 <GAN800> Hum, it loses tabs and doesn't actually receive messages.
Apr 27 03:42:08 <zakkm> GAN800: ..
Apr 27 03:42:09 <GAN800> Bad start
Apr 27 03:42:12 <zakkm> ?
Apr 27 03:42:15 <zakkm> its working fine?
Apr 27 03:42:21 <GAN800> Not here
Apr 27 03:42:29 <zakkm> i might of enabled it somewhere ?
Apr 27 03:42:42 <zakkm> adium preferences - advanced ?
Apr 27 03:43:08 <zakkm> thats so cool i neve rknew that existed, i always used to type full name
Apr 27 03:44:36 <GAN8001> It also works in XTerm. ;)
Apr 27 03:44:58 <zakkm> have a n800 though
Apr 27 03:45:12 <GeneralAntilles> There's a tab on the vkb
Apr 27 03:45:16 <zakkm> oh cool
Apr 27 03:45:43 <GeneralAntilles> By the way, this isn't nick coloring.
Apr 27 03:45:46 <zakkm> is that why when i started a command with tab, in my whole linux life, it was like do you want to list all ___ possibilities?
Apr 27 03:45:52 <GeneralAntilles> Nick coloring is where the client assigns a different color for each nickname
Apr 27 03:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> makes it easier to follow who's talking.
Apr 27 03:46:15 <zakkm> think i saw that on irc once
Apr 27 03:46:32 <zakkm> irssi*
Apr 27 03:46:55 <zakkm> generalantilles: its still just a nightly ;p its not in stable version yet, irc
Apr 27 03:47:15 <zakkm> still a nice start :)
Apr 27 03:49:30 <coeus82> the pirate bay is officially down?
Apr 27 03:51:01 <zakkm> is it?
Apr 27 03:51:10 <zakkm> cops totally raided it?
Apr 27 03:51:15 <zakkm> fined and jailed
Apr 27 03:52:20 <coeus82> looks like it was taken down today
Apr 27 03:52:34 <zakkm> how goes the install?
Apr 27 03:52:39 <GeneralAntilles> Google is the new Pirate Bay, didn't you hear?
Apr 27 03:53:20 <coeus82> apparently
Apr 27 03:53:29 <zakkm> it always has been
Apr 27 03:53:32 <zakkm> i never use torrents
Apr 27 03:53:39 <coeus82> installing sys-env-x as we speak
Apr 27 03:53:41 <zakkm> have full megaupload + rapidshare premium's ;p
Apr 27 03:54:07 <GeneralAntilles> RapidShare is handing over info to German authorities, just fyi.
Apr 27 03:54:36 <zakkm> im in canada :)
Apr 27 03:54:53 <zakkm> and thanks
Apr 27 03:55:12 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, in today's world that doesn't mean a thing. ;)
Apr 27 03:56:29 <zakkm> i always got my good defense :P
Apr 27 03:56:33 <zakkm> it wasnt me :D
Apr 27 03:56:40 <zakkm> open wifi, it was probably the neighbors
Apr 27 03:56:57 <GeneralAntilles> goodluckwiththat
Apr 27 03:57:04 <zakkm> coeus82: something is happening with the main hub of TPB, but it is still running http://ipv6.thepiratebay.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/
Apr 27 03:57:14 <GeneralAntilles> "That's not my computer" doesn't even work with the RIAA.
Apr 27 03:57:26 <coeus82> ya.. I don't think it has anything to do with the recent verdict
Apr 27 03:58:01 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, burden of proof is slightly less rigorous in civil cases.
Apr 27 03:58:13 <KurtKraut> I tried to call to the thepiratebay datacentet to ask if it was just a tech outage but they're not 24x7
Apr 27 03:58:20 <zakkm> what you talking about, thats a perfect defense
Apr 27 03:58:26 <KurtKraut> *datacenter
Apr 27 03:58:26 <zakkm> all it shows is it comes from your internet yes,
Apr 27 03:58:33 <zakkm> they have no actual proof thats its from my computer
Apr 27 03:59:22 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, don't say I didn't try to warn you.
Apr 27 03:59:28 <zakkm> hah
Apr 27 03:59:32 <zakkm> its a last resort :P
Apr 27 03:59:43 <zakkm> also i dont download at home
Apr 27 03:59:46 <zakkm> i have my highskoolfor that
Apr 27 03:59:49 <zakkm> 85mbit :D
Apr 27 04:07:03 <luke-jr> hey
Apr 27 04:07:05 <luke-jr> actually
Apr 27 04:07:25 <luke-jr> how would putting the updates password in ebuilds be any different from Nokia themselves putting it in the public apt deb?
Apr 27 04:08:40 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't matter what you think about it.
Apr 27 04:08:54 <GeneralAntilles> What matter is that it satisfies the 3rd parties that Nokia licenses software from.
Apr 27 04:10:38 <luke-jr> so why wouldn't including it in ebuilds? O.o
Apr 27 04:11:42 <GeneralAntilles> Is ebuilds Maemo?
Apr 27 04:11:54 <GeneralAntilles> Did Adobe license Flash to Gentoo?
Apr 27 04:11:55 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Apr 27 04:13:01 <zakkm> does it really matter?
Apr 27 04:13:46 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, it matters.
Apr 27 04:14:30 <GeneralAntilles> and circumventing it will damage Nokia's relationship with open source and possibly with the companies it licenses software from.
Apr 27 04:15:04 <zakkm> what exactly are we talking about?
Apr 27 04:15:09 <zakkm> making closed source debs?
Apr 27 04:15:29 <GeneralAntilles> No, using the Diablo updates repository password in the apt source to grab licensed binaries for Gentoo.
Apr 27 04:15:55 <zakkm> that gentoo port looks sick :)
Apr 27 04:21:09 <pupnik_> german government just forced DNS filtering on all isps
Apr 27 04:21:22 <pupnik_> broke regular sites like http://www.reason.com/news/show/116787.html
Apr 27 04:22:04 <pupnik_> >_<
Apr 27 04:23:38 <coeus82> Merkel!
Apr 27 04:25:45 <slonopotamus> i don't like that 'for Gentoo'.
Apr 27 04:26:16 <slonopotamus> tablet users download files for themselves
Apr 27 04:26:26 <GeneralAntilles> Sure, but you can't distribute the keys with Gentoo.
Apr 27 04:26:52 <slonopotamus> i don't.
Apr 27 04:26:53 <GeneralAntilles> It's obnoxious in the shortterm, but Nokia's working on relicensing their stuff.
Apr 27 04:27:05 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus, that's what luke-jr seems to be proposing.
Apr 27 04:27:57 <slonopotamus> what prohibits him from doing that?
Apr 27 04:28:33 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing more than, hopefully, his own consideration for the community's relationship with Nokia and Nokia's attitude towards open source.
Apr 27 04:29:14 <luke-jr> my point was that Nokia shouldn't care because they already do it
Apr 27 04:29:32 <GeneralAntilles> You're clearly missing the point, then.
Apr 27 04:29:50 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia distributes the keys to authorized licensees of the software.
Apr 27 04:30:01 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia tablets running Maemo (OS2008, more specifically).
Apr 27 04:30:42 <slonopotamus> uh? how running different distros on _my_  tablet makes me either licensee or not?
Apr 27 04:31:00 <luke-jr> Nokia distributes the keys to *anyone*
Apr 27 04:31:01 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus, you're free to go and download those binaries on your own.
Apr 27 04:31:20 <GeneralAntilles> Look, we'd all REALLY appreciate it if you didn't try to circumvent Nokia's setup here.
Apr 27 04:31:32 <GeneralAntilles> It's going to harm the community and it's going to harm Nokia's relationship with open source if you do.
Apr 27 04:31:36 <luke-jr> I don't see how it would circumvent anything.
Apr 27 04:31:46 <GeneralAntilles> That seems to be exactly it, you don't see.
Apr 27 04:31:53 <luke-jr> then explain
Apr 27 04:31:55 <GeneralAntilles> I've tried to explain it.
Apr 27 04:32:05 <GeneralAntilles> But evidently you'll just have to trust me that it's a bad idea.
Apr 27 04:32:06 <luke-jr> how is it any different to add the Gentoo overlay vs add Nokia's apt repo and install Nokia's apt?
Apr 27 04:32:17 * slonopotamus rereads again
Apr 27 04:32:21 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia doesn't license Flash for Maemo
Apr 27 04:32:26 <GeneralAntilles> s/Maemo/Gentoo/
Apr 27 04:32:26 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Nokia doesn't license Flash for Gentoo
Apr 27 04:32:41 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: and that is relevant how?
Apr 27 04:32:45 <GeneralAntilles> They license it for a very specific set of releases for Maemo no a very specific set of hardware.
Apr 27 04:32:46 <luke-jr> we're not even talking about Flash
Apr 27 04:32:56 <GeneralAntilles> When you talk about the update repo, that includes Flash.
Apr 27 04:33:16 <GeneralAntilles> Have Stskeeps or Jaffa explain it, I've tried and failed.
Apr 27 04:33:40 <luke-jr> the URI in the overlay would be used only for things we make ebuilds for
Apr 27 04:34:31 <slonopotamus> oh crap. luke-jr, does that gps stuff do something really complex so rewriting it isn't a good idea?
Apr 27 04:34:43 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: …
Apr 27 04:34:59 <luke-jr> rewriting stuff is generally a bad idea without a good reason ☺
Apr 27 04:35:19 <slonopotamus> licensing crap is enough reason? :)
Apr 27 04:35:37 <luke-jr> rewriting the ebuild won't affect licensing crap
Apr 27 04:38:59 * RST38h does not get why gps stuff is complex
Apr 27 04:39:37 <luke-jr> RST38h: I think he's talking about using dd to remove the GNOME dependencies from gpsdriver
Apr 27 04:39:54 <luke-jr> or actually
Apr 27 04:39:59 <luke-jr> more likely the LD_PRELOAD half of that
Apr 27 04:40:11 <luke-jr> I should probably slap a license on it
Apr 27 04:41:35 * luke-jr pokes slonopotamus
Apr 27 04:42:08 <slonopotamus> uh?
Apr 27 04:42:31 <slonopotamus> dd??? woot! let's program in dd!
Apr 27 04:43:09 <luke-jr> XD
Apr 27 04:43:16 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: I guess you haven't looked at files/*.c yet?
Apr 27 04:43:29 <luke-jr> please don't freak out
Apr 27 04:43:37 <luke-jr> I'll slap a license on it when I'm done w/ this other stuff
Apr 27 04:43:53 <slonopotamus> not yet
Apr 27 04:44:49 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: those make the ebuild look trivial ;)
Apr 27 04:47:19 <ShadowJK> how about installing to sd and fishing binaries from mtd?
Apr 27 04:47:37 <zakkm> you guys talking about the gentoo port?
Apr 27 04:47:40 <ShadowJK> instead of from repos
Apr 27 04:47:58 <slonopotamus> hehe
Apr 27 04:48:06 <slonopotamus> and how that differs?
Apr 27 04:48:38 <zakkm> if you want, i might be able to help with a small server for you guys
Apr 27 04:48:42 <zakkm> make a repo out of it and such
Apr 27 04:48:50 <zakkm> got a 160gb harddrive being unused you guys could use
Apr 27 04:48:59 <luke-jr> zakkm: I bet our repo is < 1 MB
Apr 27 04:49:00 <slonopotamus> zakkm, we have already
Apr 27 04:49:16 <zakkm> not just a repo, whole server machine
Apr 27 04:49:20 <luke-jr> lol
Apr 27 04:49:20 <zakkm> root access and all
Apr 27 04:49:36 <zakkm> for compiling, and such , idont know
Apr 27 04:49:42 <luke-jr> we compile on our N8x0 ;)
Apr 27 04:49:54 <zakkm> that would take agess ;p
Apr 27 04:49:58 <luke-jr> not really
Apr 27 04:50:04 <luke-jr> just half an age
Apr 27 04:50:23 <zakkm> repos should host binaries shouldnt it
Apr 27 04:50:26 <luke-jr> nope
Apr 27 04:50:33 <zakkm> its not like the hardware varies
Apr 27 04:50:36 <luke-jr> Gentoo doesn't do binaries
Apr 27 04:50:40 <zakkm> yes it does
Apr 27 04:50:44 <luke-jr> ok fine -.-
Apr 27 04:50:48 <zakkm> hah
Apr 27 04:50:57 <luke-jr> actually, sure, I could probably use it
Apr 27 04:50:59 <zakkm> im a old gentoo user myself, just on desktop use
Apr 27 04:51:00 <luke-jr> make binpkgs for stuff
Apr 27 04:51:14 <zakkm> it would come to the same stuff, wouldnt it
Apr 27 04:51:19 <zakkm> everyones nokia is the same
Apr 27 04:51:25 * luke-jr wonders how to mark the Nokia-based binpkgs so they don't get copied
Apr 27 04:51:31 <luke-jr> zakkm: CFLAGS can differ
Apr 27 04:51:34 <zakkm> its not like a desktop/laptop where compiling would make a difference
Apr 27 04:51:34 <luke-jr> etc
Apr 27 04:51:38 <slonopotamus> restrict=nomirror
Apr 27 04:51:39 <zakkm> cflags between tablets?
Apr 27 04:51:45 <luke-jr> -Os and -O2 are unknown which is better
Apr 27 04:51:53 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: that's mirroring the SRC_URI, not binpkgs?
Apr 27 04:51:56 <zakkm> between tablets ?
Apr 27 04:52:05 <luke-jr> zakkm: again, we dont' know if -O2 or -Os are better
Apr 27 04:52:07 <zakkm> i heard -Os is better
Apr 27 04:52:08 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, err... yep
Apr 27 04:52:10 <zakkm> i forget who said it
Apr 27 04:52:12 <zakkm> someone here did
Apr 27 04:52:15 <luke-jr> >_<
Apr 27 04:52:19 <zakkm> had a reason for it
Apr 27 04:52:19 <luke-jr> I think it's an open debate
Apr 27 04:52:28 <zakkm> no, for tablet wise
Apr 27 04:52:41 <zakkm> but even still, then it wouldnt matter much
Apr 27 04:52:50 <zakkm> its much better than compiling it all
Apr 27 04:53:07 <zakkm> a binhost would help, even just like openoffice-bin ... like adding -bin to packages
Apr 27 04:54:40 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, i think we can push binpkgs to gentoo mirrors directly.
Apr 27 04:54:54 <slonopotamus> anyway, it's offtopic here :)
Apr 27 04:54:56 <ShadowJK> I get the feeling on arm it's not about which flags makes gcc produce fastest code... more about which flags make gcc produce correct code... :)
Apr 27 05:08:51 <coeus82> i'm on the last step of installing ubuntu-n8x0... what fstab do I need to edit? the one in maemo or jaunty?
Apr 27 05:11:19 <RST38h> Shadow: GCC produced wrong arm code for you?
Apr 27 05:12:31 <ShadowJK> I've had it produce wrong code on x86 and x86-64 too :)
Apr 27 05:41:53 <RST38h> Shadow: Still, consistently producing wrong code is unusual
Apr 27 05:52:30 <man_in_ltop> ok
Apr 27 05:52:37 <man_in_ltop> my crappy app is nearing completion
Apr 27 05:52:41 <man_in_ltop> yay for python
Apr 27 05:52:46 <Stskeeps> fartapp.py?
Apr 27 05:52:58 <man_in_ltop> no, crappy, not gassy :P
Apr 27 05:53:02 <man_in_ltop> now where were those instructions on packaging it? :P
Apr 27 05:54:50 <luke-jr> hi Stskeeps
Apr 27 05:55:23 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: do you see any difference between Nokia putting their password-included apt in a public repo, and our Gentoo overlay including the password-included URI in a mirror list?
Apr 27 05:55:49 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: i just discussed this with slonopotamus in #mer
Apr 27 05:56:14 <Stskeeps> go with the .pl way, or drop in binaries, then you're aligned with what we do with mer.
Apr 27 05:56:27 <Stskeeps> and there's quite a big difference
Apr 27 05:57:03 <Stskeeps> second one allows any idiot to download the packages without having a n8x0, first one requires having a n8x0
Apr 27 05:57:40 <Stskeeps> then you're doing exactly the same as Mer is doing when we're developing, until we (and hopefully you as well) move on to a saner way
Apr 27 05:59:01 <luke-jr> eh, what stops Joe Random ARM user from adding Nokia's repo and installing their apt?
Apr 27 05:59:22 <Stskeeps> their apt uses the kernel info to auth
Apr 27 05:59:32 <luke-jr> oh, true
Apr 27 05:59:46 <luke-jr> forgot about that bit
Apr 27 05:59:52 <slonopotamus> what stops me from installing vanilla apt?
Apr 27 06:00:05 <luke-jr> …
Apr 27 06:00:10 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: vanilla apt won't work
Apr 27 06:00:11 <Corsac> well, if the server request a signature you won't be able to authenticate
Apr 27 06:00:58 <luke-jr> a Nokia guy joined, so let's shut up ;)
Apr 27 06:01:33 <slonopotamus> :D
Apr 27 06:01:42 <ShadowJK> rofl
Apr 27 06:02:02 * man_in_ltop waves at Corsac 
Apr 27 06:02:08 * Corsac waves back
Apr 27 06:06:15 <timeless> konttori?
Apr 27 06:06:21 <timeless> konttori: please try to spell "lose" correctly
Apr 27 06:06:37 <Stskeeps> you loose!
Apr 27 06:06:38 <Stskeeps> ;)
Apr 27 06:06:45 <timeless> right.
Apr 27 06:06:46 <Corsac> I'm a bit loose
Apr 27 06:07:05 <Corsac>  1896 root      20932 DW< /usr/libexec/apt-worker check-for-updates
Apr 27 06:07:14 <timeless> would someone please smack konttori until he fixes his blog post?
Apr 27 06:07:16 <Corsac> ok, I guess I can wait for quite some time before this ends?
Apr 27 06:07:38 <Corsac> ha no, good
Apr 27 06:07:45 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, I think the guy we hired to do that is on sick leave. ;)
Apr 27 06:07:48 <timeless> also, while you're smacking, please give him a lecture about "its" v. "it's"
Apr 27 06:08:38 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, did you see my MXR screenshot?
Apr 27 06:09:17 <ShadowJK> i thought only native english speakers had issues with its it's :)
Apr 27 06:11:18 <Corsac> fuck, maemo mapper is segfaulting again
Apr 27 06:12:22 <pupnik_> Lol @ german government - passes a new law mandating DNS porn filters - here's the result from 2 hours ago - http://imagebin.ca/view/gxso9ot.html (resolve failure on google.de)
Apr 27 06:12:54 <man_in_ltop> hehe
Apr 27 06:13:46 <pupnik_> temporary glitch - fixed now
Apr 27 06:15:06 <herz1> pupnik_: I don't see how this is related to the child pornography filtering
Apr 27 06:15:12 <herz1> this is just a dns failure
Apr 27 06:15:26 <pupnik_> t-offline has had DNS problems all week
Apr 27 06:15:41 <herz1> not over here...
Apr 27 06:15:53 <herz1> (which means at my other place)
Apr 27 06:16:05 <pupnik_> hmm
Apr 27 06:16:18 <pupnik_> i've had about 80 failures the past few days
Apr 27 06:16:28 <ShadowJK> when .fi isps started using a dns redirect list (voluntary) maintained by the police, one of the sites blocked was an anti-censorship site :)
Apr 27 06:16:30 <pupnik_> i'm just sticking with them to see how bad it is
Apr 27 06:16:36 <pupnik_> lol
Apr 27 06:18:27 <herz1> pupnik_: they are doing better than many others, I've had Alice (Hansenet) and the current local isp
Apr 27 06:18:42 <pupnik_> ah ok
Apr 27 06:20:46 <ukki> morning
Apr 27 06:21:54 <Corsac> pfff, debugging is just a pain
Apr 27 06:22:15 <Corsac> maemo-mapper --help
Apr 27 06:22:15 <Corsac> Segmentation fault
Apr 27 06:22:16 <Corsac> OK!
Apr 27 06:23:17 <luke-jr> LOL
Apr 27 06:23:21 <ShadowJK> maybe you need gdb :)
Apr 27 06:23:39 <ShadowJK> or strace
Apr 27 06:23:49 <Corsac> and more room on /
Apr 27 06:24:49 <Corsac> E: Package gdb has no installation candidate
Apr 27 06:24:50 <Corsac> :(
Apr 27 06:26:51 <slonopotamus> muahaha :)
Apr 27 06:27:44 <timeless> gan: no, url?
Apr 27 06:28:13 * timeless wonders what interesting browser gan is using
Apr 27 06:29:58 <GAN800> timeless, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mxr-newstyle-test.jpg
Apr 27 06:30:24 <Corsac> hmhm, it seems that it tries to read from the dbus system socket and fails
Apr 27 06:30:27 <Corsac> connect(8, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"...}, 33) = 0
Apr 27 06:30:45 <Corsac> ead(8, "l\2\1\1\v\0\0\0\1\0\0\0=\0\0\0\6\1s\0\6\0\0\0:1.101\0\0\5\1u\0\1\0\0\0\10\1g\0\1s\0\0\7\1s\0\24\0\0\0org.freedesktop.                   DBus\0\0\0\0\6\0\0\0:1.101\0l\4\1\1\v\0\0\0\2\0"..., 2048) = 262
Apr 27 06:30:49 <Corsac> read(8, 0xa8e00, 2048)                  = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
Apr 27 06:30:50 <GAN800> timeless, the sidebar was a bad idea, but you get the gist.
Apr 27 06:31:29 <Corsac> though I'm not sure this is the cause of the segfault
Apr 27 06:31:37 <timeless> hrm, can you use hg?
Apr 27 06:31:48 <timeless> because you should be able to hg clone mxr.maemo.org
Apr 27 06:31:49 <ShadowJK> 0 from connecr means success
Apr 27 06:31:51 <timeless> and provide a diff :)
Apr 27 06:32:24 <ShadowJK> eagain from read just means there was no data waiting to be read
Apr 27 06:32:29 <timeless> is mxr.maemo.org community or development?
Apr 27 06:32:43 <GAN800> timeless, development.
Apr 27 06:33:01 <Corsac> ShadowJK: yeah so it should be ok, the segfault won't be shown in strace
Apr 27 06:33:02 <timeless> also, the footer you have has 'all content cc'
Apr 27 06:33:04 <timeless> which wouldn't be right
Apr 27 06:33:07 <GAN800> But, yeah, I can get a patch together.
Apr 27 06:33:12 <timeless> thanks :)
Apr 27 06:33:34 <Corsac> hmhm, wow
Apr 27 06:33:35 <GAN800> How do you feel about converting the table layout to CSS?
Apr 27 06:33:41 <Corsac> after a gconf reset:
Apr 27 06:33:42 <Corsac> process 1637: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
Apr 27 06:33:46 <Corsac> scary
Apr 27 06:33:46 * Corsac reboots
Apr 27 06:33:54 <timeless> dunno
Apr 27 06:33:56 <GAN800> Yeah, gotta figure our an appropriate license line
Apr 27 06:34:08 <timeless> personally i tend to use fairly old browsers
Apr 27 06:34:10 <timeless> and text browsers
Apr 27 06:34:21 <timeless> i could perhaps be persuaded
Apr 27 06:34:24 <ShadowJK> that might be in a dbus faq somewhere, iirc
Apr 27 06:34:44 <GAN800> Well, I can give you both versions and you can decide later.
Apr 27 06:34:54 <timeless> btw, which browser is that? camino?
Apr 27 06:35:01 <GAN800> OmniWeb
Apr 27 06:35:11 <timeless> ah
Apr 27 06:35:22 <Meiz_n810> Corsac: dbus-uuidgen --ensure
Apr 27 06:35:24 <GAN800> Which is using the Safari 4 WebKit now. Wicked fast.
Apr 27 06:35:57 <Corsac> Meiz_n810: I was running MM as root, that's why
Apr 27 06:36:15 <Corsac> damn, still segfaulting
Apr 27 06:41:47 <timeless> one thing... i'd like to try to fix mxr so you don't have to skin it ~5 times
Apr 27 06:41:59 <timeless> currently the header isn't actually so "common" :(
Apr 27 06:42:08 * timeless should try to fix that
Apr 27 06:49:51 <thux> morning
Apr 27 07:31:27 <aquatix> good morning
Apr 27 07:36:11 <thux> offtopic, any jaunty users here? does your mouse work? my lap mouse freezes all the time :P
Apr 27 07:36:31 <Meiz_n810> thux: memememee
Apr 27 07:36:39 <Meiz_n810> but i don't have such problem
Apr 27 07:37:00 <thux> lucky you
Apr 27 07:37:20 <thux> i got always psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost synchronization
Apr 27 07:37:44 <mgedmin> hmm, there recently was one user complaining about mouse freezes in a local mailing list
Apr 27 07:37:53 <mgedmin> my thinkpad works fine
Apr 27 07:38:32 <thux> ok i got also apic error when it happens
Apr 27 07:43:35 <zakkm> anyone know why flasher would stop at
Apr 27 07:43:36 <zakkm> Version of 'sw-release': RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0
Apr 27 07:47:22 <gnuton> Hi there
Apr 27 07:48:46 <zakkm> http://franciscoalecrim.com/wiki/index.php?title=Maemo_N8x0:_kernel_2.6.29_and_open_source_wlan_driver wow kernel 2.6.29 maemo?
Apr 27 07:48:55 <aquatix> wow
Apr 27 07:50:20 <Stskeeps> be aware that things probably don't work
Apr 27 07:50:36 <zakkm> im just trying, just found out
Apr 27 07:50:51 <zakkm> would you know why a flashing of diablo would stop at sw-release?
Apr 27 07:54:22 <RST38h> moo all
Apr 27 07:56:12 <thux> RST38h: moo
Apr 27 07:56:23 <thux> zakkm: does it boot?
Apr 27 07:56:55 <thux> waited newer kernel for maemo long time
Apr 27 07:57:06 <zakkm> not a clue
Apr 27 07:57:22 <zakkm> im not even sure if it is for n800/810, it might be for like beagle board booting maemo or something
Apr 27 07:57:30 <Stskeeps> nah
Apr 27 07:57:32 <Stskeeps> it's for n8x0
Apr 27 07:58:02 <zakkm> worse comes to worse you reflash kernel, and only time is lost? i think
Apr 27 07:58:11 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 27 07:58:48 <zakkm> you guys try the app "knots"
Apr 27 08:05:34 <ukki> zakkm: yes
Apr 27 08:08:06 <zakkm> ukki: do you use osx?
Apr 27 08:08:17 <ukki> yes
Apr 27 08:08:27 <zakkm> i cant find the server download ;p
Apr 27 08:08:33 <ukki> mostly linux though
Apr 27 08:08:58 <ukki> u might want to try the rewrite
Apr 27 08:09:19 <zakkm> the rewrite?
Apr 27 08:09:30 <ukki> vlc is a bit broken in os x atm
Apr 27 08:10:15 <ukki> 0.9.9a starts using cpu and becomes unusable after a while
Apr 27 08:10:32 <zakkm> i use 0.9.9a vlc for all my video watching?
Apr 27 08:10:38 <zakkm> has never failed me
Apr 27 08:10:43 <ukki> seems to be fixed in nightly, but flash is broken in nightly :)
Apr 27 08:10:57 <ukki> wanna test the rewrite?
Apr 27 08:10:58 <zakkm> i want to use knots for my tablet ;p
Apr 27 08:11:03 <zakkm> what rewrite?
Apr 27 08:11:25 <ukki> http://github.com/solmis/knots/tree/master
Apr 27 08:11:39 <zakkm> i just want to view my mac's videos on my tablet ;p
Apr 27 08:11:43 <zakkm> over wifi
Apr 27 08:11:54 <ukki> yes, that's what it's for :)
Apr 27 08:12:03 <zakkm> have nothing to compile
Apr 27 08:12:10 <zakkm> ohh
Apr 27 08:12:11 <ukki> but that works with a browser + mplayer plugin or flash
Apr 27 08:12:12 <zakkm> thats binary
Apr 27 08:12:23 <zakkm> wow this is too complex
Apr 27 08:12:28 <ukki> no need to compile anything, should work pretty much out of box
Apr 27 08:12:33 <zakkm> i thought it was full gui , share... and then view on nokia
Apr 27 08:13:50 <ukki> pm for install instructions if you want to test it, it's pretty simple really
Apr 27 08:16:32 <konttori> timeless: fixed
Apr 27 08:18:58 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 27 08:20:06 <johnx> morning Jaffa
Apr 27 08:33:09 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.12 :)
Apr 27 08:42:23 * Jaffa wonders what interesting things may happen at the Nokia Developer Summit today/tomorrow
Apr 27 08:42:50 <RST38h> Nothing.
Apr 27 08:43:11 <RST38h> There are no potential announcements to make
Apr 27 08:43:13 <bergie> lots of PPT :-)
Apr 27 08:43:20 <Jaffa> :)
Apr 27 08:43:55 <Jaffa> RST38h: There are lots of potential announcements to make - although many of the ones we're waiting for would be odd to announce at a developer, rather than industry/media/consumer focused event
Apr 27 08:44:13 <Stskeeps> well where was N810 announced?
Apr 27 08:45:21 <RST38h> Jaffa: Ah, list at least some
Apr 27 08:47:30 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: 17 Oct 2007 at the Web 2.0 Summit
Apr 27 08:47:38 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 27 08:47:57 <Jaffa> RST38h: Beta SDK, product announcement, launch timetable, ...
Apr 27 08:53:12 <mikkov_> Tomorrow's agenda has "Update on Maemo"
Apr 27 08:54:03 <Jaffa> mikkov_: indeed
Apr 27 08:54:06 <Jaffa> awedsxz
Apr 27 08:54:09 <Jaffa> Damnit
Apr 27 08:54:46 <RST38h> Jaffa: Ok. Beta SDK is probably a bit off right now
Apr 27 08:54:52 <mikkov_> actually it's for wednesday
Apr 27 08:54:58 <RST38h> Jaffa: Judging from the state of the Alpha SDK
Apr 27 08:55:30 <RST38h> Jaffa: Product announcements are not made at developer events, usually, and we both know that n9xx will not be announced, it is also a bit off
Apr 27 08:56:00 <johnx> RST38h, but a beta sdk is exactly the thing to announce :)
Apr 27 08:56:07 <RST38h> Jaffa: Launch timetables are commercial secret, so the best you can hope for is a launch timetable for the beta SDK
Apr 27 08:56:34 <RST38h> Which isn't secret but does not have the impact of a n9xx sample being shown to the public =)
Apr 27 08:56:56 <RST38h> So, in short, there isn't much to announce
Apr 27 08:57:38 <woglinde> hi
Apr 27 08:57:50 * Jaffa would hope for an exciting device launch to start the hype machine with a "and you can start developing for it today, with the beta SDK available at maemo.nokia.com. The final SDK will be launched when the device goes on sale in 6 weeks!". But that's a h/w announce at a developer event, which doesn't make a lot of sense - but there aren't many other events on which to piggy back a device launch until OSiM World in September
Apr 27 08:57:51 <woglinde> where the heck I can get the libgles2-dev?
Apr 27 08:58:01 <RST38h> We will most likely see more of Tracker and Clutter updates
Apr 27 08:58:23 <RST38h> With some cheesy demos
Apr 27 08:58:35 <X-Fade> woglinde: in extras-devel non-free for fremantle.
Apr 27 08:58:53 <RST38h> Maybe some demo of that media player extension framework
Apr 27 08:59:04 <X-Fade> woglinde: Just put it there ;)
Apr 27 08:59:22 <woglinde> x-fade hm
Apr 27 08:59:31 <woglinde> differs the deb line?
Apr 27 08:59:36 <woglinde> I just tried
Apr 27 09:00:08 <woglinde> ah okay
Apr 27 09:00:18 <X-Fade> woglinde: For i386 it is there..
Apr 27 09:00:32 <woglinde> aeh
Apr 27 09:00:45 <woglinde> and for arm? not?
Apr 27 09:00:51 <X-Fade> woglinde: There were some problems in the SDK, so it is put in Extras-devel now to speed it up.
Apr 27 09:00:59 <woglinde> from the opengl page its state the othwerway
Apr 27 09:01:04 <X-Fade> woglinde: I hope they fix the issue for the beta sdk.
Apr 27 09:01:06 <woglinde> no packages for x86
Apr 27 09:01:37 <woglinde> hm maybee kate mixed something up
Apr 27 09:02:51 <woglinde> x-fade do you know what man has to do to be allowed to distribute the gles libs?
Apr 27 09:03:37 <X-Fade> woglinde: I have no idea, you have to ask Kate that.
Apr 27 09:03:51 <X-Fade> woglinde: It is a 3rd party lib.
Apr 27 09:04:04 <Jaffa> Hmm, whenever I try to favourite something on the new site under /news/ I get a blank page.
Apr 27 09:04:31 <woglinde> x-fade hm okay, because Imagination Technologies ships the libs to the hw distributors and they give it to the enduser
Apr 27 09:05:22 <X-Fade> woglinde: Yeah, but I don't think that you are then allowed to redistribute again. But I'm not sure..
Apr 27 09:05:45 <RST38h> Jaffa: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/little-tracking-for-people-waiting-for.html
Apr 27 09:05:49 <RST38h> (if you have not seen it)
Apr 27 09:05:53 <woglinde> x-fade hehe but then why nokia is allowed
Apr 27 09:06:14 <Stskeeps> probably they have an agreement :)
Apr 27 09:06:21 <X-Fade> woglinde: Well, I would imagine that they can because they license it?
Apr 27 09:06:59 <Stskeeps> http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28586 as well
Apr 27 09:07:04 <Stskeeps> (mer 0.12)
Apr 27 09:10:46 <RST38h> Sts: Little comment on the MER icon highlight (when the menu is open): purple is wrong, WRONG color
Apr 27 09:11:05 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yes, and i agree
Apr 27 09:11:10 <Stskeeps> wazd's been busy so :)
Apr 27 09:11:13 <RST38h> Sts: Unless, of course, it's done in secret worship of the Tentacled One
Apr 27 09:11:20 <Stskeeps> you never know.. :)
Apr 27 09:11:50 <RST38h> [there are rumors that the Tentacled One isn't green, as acolytes show him, but purple]
Apr 27 09:12:05 * ShadowJK just realized we'll have to live with "are we there yet?" for probably 6 months /after/ release too
Apr 27 09:12:15 <RST38h> Sts: In general, it looks pretty cool
Apr 27 09:13:00 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: mm?
Apr 27 09:14:05 <ShadowJK> first after product announcements but before launch people will be condemning/whining/etc over the specs, and doing pseudoreviews based on specs
Apr 27 09:14:16 <Stskeeps> ah
Apr 27 09:14:42 <ShadowJK> then after launch people will whine about when will it be available in their favourite store
Apr 27 09:16:05 <RST38h> Shadow: You mean the n9xx?
Apr 27 09:16:25 <johnx> RST38h, actually, it can be just about any device :)
Apr 27 09:16:37 <ShadowJK> yeah :)
Apr 27 09:16:44 <RST38h> johnx: yea, but for the n9xx I have a precise list of predictions :)
Apr 27 09:17:07 <RST38h> johnx: I can pretty much tell you where the clusterfuck will hit
Apr 27 09:17:17 <ShadowJK> hm?
Apr 27 09:17:17 <johnx> I predict: initial whining that feature x, y and z were dropped, followed by healthy sales
Apr 27 09:17:20 <pupnik_> hardware or software wise?
Apr 27 09:17:26 <RST38h> Software wise
Apr 27 09:17:35 <RST38h> Can't tell much about hardware because I have no data on it
Apr 27 09:17:55 <pupnik_> what will people yammer about loudest then?
Apr 27 09:18:00 <Jaffa> There's whining *before* any device has been announced about the removal of the stylus (WTF?), the position of the dpad and all sorts.
Apr 27 09:18:05 * Jaffa wants a big stick
Apr 27 09:18:13 <ShadowJK> I wish there was a way to avoid twitter-itis whining
Apr 27 09:18:13 <RST38h> Jaffa: Yea but it is all bogus we do not know yet
Apr 27 09:19:09 <ShadowJK> continued whining about microsd and microusb
Apr 27 09:19:14 <pupnik_> i think nokia prioritizes their limited software resources quite well
Apr 27 09:20:33 <RST38h> pupnik: Users will whine about battery life, weird new UI, and broken apps (browser, Modest being the top offenders)
Apr 27 09:20:54 <RST38h> pupnik: Other complains will include Tracker slowing down the system and eating disk space
Apr 27 09:21:23 <pupnik_> ah
Apr 27 09:21:24 <RST38h> pupnik: Developers will not like (and probably won;t use widely) the Clutter APIs
Apr 27 09:21:27 <ShadowJK> http://www.xkcd.com/ a tons of whining of the highly articulate and astute variety as in this comic, too ;p
Apr 27 09:22:38 <RST38h> pupnik: There probably will be some last moment screw up similar to what we have got with the Blizzard chip
Apr 27 09:23:16 <RST38h> pupnik: Personally, I have no issues with Blizzard (it works fast enough for me) but you know how mileage differs for different developers...
Apr 27 09:23:25 <ShadowJK> wouldnt it be much better if we never knew thered be another device
Apr 27 09:23:28 <pupnik_> what is blizzard?
Apr 27 09:23:33 <ShadowJK> if they just srprised us one day
Apr 27 09:23:49 <RST38h> pupnik: the chip that sits between OMAP2 and LCD display, slowing down screen updates
Apr 27 09:24:04 <pupnik_> oh interesting
Apr 27 09:24:07 <RST38h> pupnik; Apparently introduced because OMAP2 does not support 800x480 natively
Apr 27 09:24:14 <pupnik_> yes i got that much
Apr 27 09:24:25 <RST38h> OMAP3 should fix that, but my guess is some other similar screwup will be introduced somewhere
Apr 27 09:24:34 <pupnik_> anybody manage to lock-in 25-30 fps *real* *actual* refreshes?
Apr 27 09:24:44 <pupnik_> at reduced res
Apr 27 09:24:44 * RST38h does 25fps
Apr 27 09:24:57 <RST38h> at x2/x3 magnification
Apr 27 09:25:12 <RST38h> No idea if it is real 25fps but my frame counter shows the number
Apr 27 09:25:16 <pupnik_> i never got rid of tearing in my nes emu
Apr 27 09:25:21 <pupnik_> yes, lol
Apr 27 09:25:31 <pupnik_> port
Apr 27 09:25:32 <RST38h> well mine tears a bit as well but I do not care
Apr 27 09:25:34 <pupnik_> not *my* nes emu
Apr 27 09:25:37 <ShadowJK> the really interesting bit would be the differences in how blizzard is wired on n800 vs n810 when there have afaik been no reports of scrolling death on n810 so far
Apr 27 09:25:45 <RST38h> tearing is really the smallest of my worries
Apr 27 09:26:02 <pupnik_> i don't like hardware lying to me
Apr 27 09:26:09 <ShadowJK> lcuk does tear-free silksmooth :-)
Apr 27 09:26:26 <pupnik_> i haven't seen such a thing yet
Apr 27 09:26:39 <pupnik_> and the gp2x nes emu runs at reported 90fps
Apr 27 09:27:53 <pupnik_> can't wait to see new dosbox with faster fmopl on omap3530
Apr 27 09:28:14 <pupnik_> dur-de-dur
Apr 27 09:28:19 * ShadowJK goes back to staring at e75 and e71 specs, trying to decide
Apr 27 09:28:20 <RST38h> runnning XP!
Apr 27 09:28:27 <wjt> E66!
Apr 27 09:28:49 <ShadowJK> but e66 has no hsdpa
Apr 27 09:28:52 <RST38h> Shadow: e71 if you can live with smaller keys but use your second hand for "other" stuff
Apr 27 09:29:10 <RST38h> Shadow: Otherwise e75\
Apr 27 09:29:12 <woglinde> wow
Apr 27 09:29:16 <wjt> but E71 is *sidetalkin'*
Apr 27 09:29:18 <woglinde> ups
Apr 27 09:29:21 <ShadowJK> and did e66 support 3g on 900MHz at all? i forget
Apr 27 09:29:42 <RST38h> Shadow: Or just wait until the Tentacled One makes Nokia release a sequel to E70
Apr 27 09:29:59 <glass> wjt: how do you define sidetalking so that it applies to e71?
Apr 27 09:30:00 <ShadowJK> I've given up hope on that one :(
Apr 27 09:30:15 <ShadowJK> what is sidetalking?
Apr 27 09:30:33 <glass> ShadowJK: ngage classic / 7700 proto, phone speaker on the side of the phone
Apr 27 09:30:35 <RST38h> talking into the edge of your phone?
Apr 27 09:30:46 <glass> which e71 doesn't do
Apr 27 09:30:54 <RST38h> yea, it does not occur with e71
Apr 27 09:31:08 <RST38h> Shadow: have you given a thought to 5800 though?
Apr 27 09:31:17 <ShadowJK> who the hell uses a phone for talking anyway, I thought they died off with the neanderthals ;p
Apr 27 09:31:37 <glass> ShadowJK: you know, regular people you can't irc with either
Apr 27 09:31:37 <wjt> glass: i'm using it in the "comically wide phone" sense
Apr 27 09:31:41 <ShadowJK> I'm not so sure about the lack of keyboard on 5800
Apr 27 09:31:48 <glass> wjt: .. ? you ever held a e71?
Apr 27 09:32:15 <RST38h> Shadow: It simulates keyboard pretty well
Apr 27 09:32:28 <ShadowJK> yeah but touchscreen typing... blech
Apr 27 09:32:28 <glass> ShadowJK: 5800 was a positive surprise for me
Apr 27 09:32:34 <wjt> glass: sure, and it's pretty wide :)
Apr 27 09:32:37 <pupnik_> saw a nice Nokia product placement in the "Dark Knight" movie yesterday
Apr 27 09:32:42 <pupnik_> too bad it wasn't a N810 though
Apr 27 09:33:01 <ShadowJK> yeah definitely it looks nicer in real life than i would have expected
Apr 27 09:33:15 <RST38h> Shadow: it is not tat much different from typing on those e71/e75 keyboards
Apr 27 09:33:39 <RST38h> Shadow: 5800 does provide tactile feedback to keypresses by using the rumble device
Apr 27 09:34:03 <ShadowJK> except in a year or two the tochscreen is so insensitive it misses half your taps?
Apr 27 09:34:22 <RST38h> Shadow: We did not have 5800 that long so I cannot tell
Apr 27 09:34:34 <glass> dunno. i don't plan using it for a year or two
Apr 27 09:34:36 <aquatix> too bad that E71 has a 2.5mm jack and not a `regular' 3.5mm one
Apr 27 09:34:56 <RST38h> still better than that ugly plastic appendage with pins
Apr 27 09:34:59 <aquatix> the N97 is damn nice, but damn expensive
Apr 27 09:35:02 <glass> personally i'm going to grab a n96
Apr 27 09:35:04 <glass> n97
Apr 27 09:35:06 <glass> not n96
Apr 27 09:35:08 <glass> n96 sucks
Apr 27 09:35:16 <aquatix> RST38h: yeah, but i'd rather plug in my headphones directly
Apr 27 09:35:20 <aquatix> glass: yeah
Apr 27 09:35:25 <RST38h> aquatix: Use BT headphones, I do
Apr 27 09:35:26 <ShadowJK> I wonder how it deals with opera mini... does it get a fixed amount of space o screen, and is that bigger area than on my e70 in fullscreen...
Apr 27 09:35:43 <glass> ShadowJK: which?
Apr 27 09:35:45 <aquatix> RST38h: i'd rather stick with my regular ones
Apr 27 09:35:54 <aquatix> RST38h: which do you have?
Apr 27 09:35:54 <ShadowJK> how 5800 deals with opera mini
Apr 27 09:36:01 <RST38h> aquatix: Then suffer! ho ho ho ho
Apr 27 09:36:03 <RST38h> me cackles evilly
Apr 27 09:36:09 <aquatix> pffft :P
Apr 27 09:36:12 <glass> ShadowJK: dunno, havent tried. the webkit supplied one has done it's job good enough
Apr 27 09:36:22 <RST38h> aquatix: Some noname Chinese headphones I got from AT&T Wireless store for $60
Apr 27 09:36:46 <aquatix> RST38h: i have a feeling my sennheisers sound better
Apr 27 09:36:51 <RST38h> aquatix: Given that E70 does not support A2DP, they sound as good as they can
Apr 27 09:36:55 <aquatix> and cost less battery
Apr 27 09:37:12 <ShadowJK> opera mini is my preferred choice, it's faster and eats less battery :-)
Apr 27 09:37:14 <RST38h> ah, that is no problem
Apr 27 09:38:05 <ShadowJK> I <3 my sennheisers
Apr 27 09:38:18 <ShadowJK> small enough to wear at work
Apr 27 09:38:30 <ShadowJK> hm
Apr 27 09:38:44 * aquatix has px200
Apr 27 09:38:50 <aquatix> small, but really decent sound
Apr 27 09:38:56 <aquatix> and shields outside noises a bit
Apr 27 09:39:22 <ShadowJK> do I remember wrong or does nokia have this box that's basically a2dp receiver with 3.5mm headphone output jack? that's an alternative too I guess
Apr 27 09:39:31 * ShadowJK has cx300
Apr 27 09:40:03 <ShadowJK> only issue is that I need to eq bass down by about 12dB
Apr 27 09:40:21 <aquatix> ShadowJK: that still takes juice
Apr 27 09:40:37 <ShadowJK> yeah
Apr 27 09:40:42 <aquatix> i'd rather have a simple setup that has long autonomy
Apr 27 09:40:58 <ShadowJK> my e70 does 3-4 hours tops anyway
Apr 27 09:41:03 <aquatix> especially nice when i'm going on a long trip
Apr 27 09:41:29 <ShadowJK> oh yeah, that's what also makes e71 attractive, there's a big fat mugen battery with cover available for it
Apr 27 09:41:43 <aquatix> otherwise i'd better get some dedicated music player with 32 hours of playing time
Apr 27 09:41:56 <aquatix> ShadowJK: an even fatter battery?
Apr 27 09:42:02 <aquatix> i like how it has 1500mAh already
Apr 27 09:42:11 <aquatix> same battery as the n810
Apr 27 09:42:23 <ShadowJK> well my e70 has 1000mAh or something
Apr 27 09:42:43 <ShadowJK> and it manages 3 hours of shoutcast playback on average
Apr 27 09:43:04 <aquatix> and offline playback? as in, from card?
Apr 27 09:43:16 <ShadowJK> dunno
Apr 27 09:43:27 <aquatix> i wonder how long the n810 can do music playback when being completely offline
Apr 27 09:43:42 <ShadowJK> for offline playback I use my mp3 player anyway
Apr 27 09:43:57 <ShadowJK> now that I managed to solder it back to life again
Apr 27 09:44:09 <aquatix> myeah
Apr 27 09:44:23 <aquatix> i only have an oldish muvo^2 with 4GB microdrive
Apr 27 09:44:28 <aquatix> works fine
Apr 27 09:44:34 <aquatix> but i'd rather take some more music with me
Apr 27 09:44:49 <ShadowJK> n8x0 are a bit bulky, and lack of hw keys for blind control is a big minus
Apr 27 09:44:56 <aquatix> besides, it doesn't really like utf8
Apr 27 09:45:00 <aquatix> ShadowJK: true
Apr 27 09:45:05 <aquatix> ShadowJK: but i take it with me anyway
Apr 27 09:45:13 <aquatix> and it takes a 16GB microsd
Apr 27 09:45:46 <aquatix> n97 would be even more awesome; 32GB build-in and 16GB microsd
Apr 27 09:46:37 <ShadowJK> I only take it with me on my unfortunate sidejob of removing malware from people's computers
Apr 27 09:49:47 <aquatix> ah
Apr 27 09:50:02 <aquatix> well, it's almost as trusty a companion for me as my cellphone
Apr 27 11:13:11 <man_in_pda> ok, so i have no idea how to code up hildon ColorChooserDialog in python :D
Apr 27 11:54:42 <man_in_pda> so, anyone happen to have sample code for hildon.ColorChooserDialog in python?
Apr 27 12:38:20 * man_in_ltop waves
Apr 27 12:43:29 <man_in_ltop> i can't find anything on how to use ColorChooserDialog
Apr 27 13:00:29 <man_in_ltop> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Python_Hildon_Widgets_-_Part_1 << well, i found this
Apr 27 13:00:42 <man_in_ltop> uses FontSelectionDialog
Apr 27 13:01:01 <man_in_ltop> which is pretty much entirely unlike ColorChooserDialog :D
Apr 27 13:18:37 <man_in_ltop> blaargetty blaarg blaarg
Apr 27 13:19:06 <Myrtti> I agree wholeheartedly
Apr 27 13:24:51 <man_in_ltop> still not finding any useful docs on hildon python bindings
Apr 27 13:25:18 <yerga> man_in_ltop, what need you about ColorChooserDialog?
Apr 27 13:25:51 <man_in_ltop> well, how to use it :D
Apr 27 13:27:23 <man_in_ltop> keep getting "Colour cannot be modified", can't work out how to get the OK or Cancel buttons to close it, can't work out how to get the selected colour (not that i can select a colour atm)
Apr 27 13:28:48 <yerga> wait five minutes, I'll do a small testcase
Apr 27 13:28:55 <man_in_ltop> yay
Apr 27 13:36:17 <yerga> man_in_ltop, http://pastebin.com/m1ca12018
Apr 27 13:38:52 <man_in_ltop> neato, thanks
Apr 27 13:40:47 <lopz> hi
Apr 27 13:48:30 <man_in_ltop> very useful, yerga
Apr 27 13:48:55 <yerga> man_in_ltop, glad I helped ;)
Apr 27 14:21:44 <RST38h> heya qwerty
Apr 27 14:21:59 <qwerty12> hey RST38h
Apr 27 14:41:14 <VDVsx> lardman|away, ping
Apr 27 14:51:39 <RST38h> bacon, lardman, bacon
Apr 27 14:52:06 <mgedmin> spam eggs spam
Apr 27 15:02:25 * RST38h finishes another corporate training and wishes people who write these were at least laid off
Apr 27 15:02:34 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 27 15:03:53 <man_in_ltop> ok, that's interesting
Apr 27 15:18:04 <RST38h> RMS officially curses "software as a service" model
Apr 27 15:19:04 <Stskeeps> old
Apr 27 15:29:04 <man_in_ltop> sigh
Apr 27 15:29:09 <man_in_ltop> hildon is weird and silly
Apr 27 15:29:29 <slonopotamus> :D
Apr 27 15:29:32 <qwerty12> You'll have to be a little more specific than that...
Apr 27 15:30:23 <man_in_ltop> that's not specific enough?
Apr 27 15:30:27 <man_in_ltop> ;)
Apr 27 15:30:44 <man_in_ltop> hildon.ColourButton is useful though
Apr 27 15:30:59 <qwerty12> hai rm_you|
Apr 27 15:31:00 <man_in_ltop> just the signal is called "setup-dialog", and in gtk it's "colour-set"
Apr 27 15:31:06 <man_in_ltop> *"color-set"
Apr 27 15:31:11 <man_in_ltop> which makes more sense?
Apr 27 15:31:12 <rm_you|> hai
Apr 27 15:31:14 <man_in_ltop> :P
Apr 27 15:32:20 <yerga> mmm, I need a name for a stocks application
Apr 27 15:32:24 <yerga> suggestions?
Apr 27 15:32:37 <man_in_ltop> StockThis
Apr 27 15:32:58 <X-Fade> yerga: StockPy ;)
Apr 27 15:33:13 <StsN800> Cria
Apr 27 15:33:19 <StsN800> Crisis?
Apr 27 15:33:28 <X-Fade> StockPy(le)
Apr 27 15:34:16 <man_in_ltop> StockItToMe
Apr 27 15:34:16 <yerga> stockpy maybe, there isnt many results in google
Apr 27 15:34:30 <yerga> crisis would be funny though ;)
Apr 27 15:35:09 <man_in_ltop> StockUp
Apr 27 15:36:21 <Stskeeps> RedNumbers
Apr 27 15:38:18 <man_in_pda> StockStack
Apr 27 15:38:36 <yerga> I am going to open a poll in iTT, I am very undecided :)
Apr 27 15:41:13 <man_in_pda> boring
Apr 27 15:41:35 <man_in_pda> you should just go for my suggestions
Apr 27 16:13:08 <qwerty12> yerga: the application looks good. I lack in imagination however, so I can't suggest an name ;P
Apr 27 16:13:43 <yerga> qwerty12, thanks
Apr 27 16:13:54 <yerga> qwerty12, it happens to me too ;)
Apr 27 16:14:05 <qwerty12> hehe
Apr 27 16:24:33 <man_in_ltop> bleh
Apr 27 16:24:47 <timsamoff> yerga: Stocker
Apr 27 16:24:59 <man_in_ltop> there appears to be no signal for when the colour of a hildon.ColorButton changes
Apr 27 16:26:02 <yerga> timsamoff, thanks, I like it ;)
Apr 27 16:26:21 <timsamoff> yerga: Or... PersonalStocker. ;)
Apr 27 16:28:30 <man_in_ltop> ah
Apr 27 16:28:50 <man_in_ltop> it emits "clicked" when the colour changes
Apr 27 16:34:43 <man_in_ltop> hmm, interesting issue now
Apr 27 16:34:53 <man_in_ltop> first time my prefs window appears, it renders fine
Apr 27 16:35:30 <man_in_ltop> then hide-on-close happens, and second time it doesn't draw, though the window is created
Apr 27 16:35:49 <man_in_ltop> so if i click on the icon for it, the window is drawn correctly
Apr 27 17:21:32 <Corsac> hmhm, how one is supposed to investigate segfaults without gdb
Apr 27 17:21:43 <Corsac> is there a gdb build available for the device?
Apr 27 17:21:45 <Stskeeps> magic? :Pa
Apr 27 17:21:47 <Stskeeps> and afaik, yes
Apr 27 17:21:48 <qwerty12> By installing it from the SDK repo...
Apr 27 17:21:49 <Stskeeps> in sdk repo
Apr 27 17:24:20 <Corsac>     deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo4.1/tools free non-free ?
Apr 27 17:25:00 <qwerty12> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free tools/free sdk/non-free tools/non-free
Apr 27 17:25:13 <qwerty12> (well, tools doesn't contain gdb)
Apr 27 17:25:38 <Corsac> ok
Apr 27 17:31:35 <Corsac> hmhm, doesn't seem to be in sdk either :/
Apr 27 17:33:24 <suihkulokki> Corsac: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node15.html
Apr 27 17:35:24 <Corsac>        gdb | 6.8-3maemo2 | http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools/free Packages
Apr 27 17:35:27 <Corsac> \o/
Apr 27 17:35:38 * Corsac shakes qwerty12 
Apr 27 17:35:48 <qwerty12> Ah, sorry, my bad
Apr 27 17:38:45 <Corsac> #0  0x000471d4 in ?? ()
Apr 27 17:38:48 <Corsac> sighs :)
Apr 27 17:59:10 <v6sa> heya
Apr 27 18:00:02 <Corsac> rah fuck and I really need more space
Apr 27 18:08:41 <slonopotamus> !earch gnome
Apr 27 18:08:54 <slonopotamus> woops, wrong channel
Apr 27 18:57:08 <konttori_> pupnik_: snes9x worked on the 'new' device out of the box (I just used your binary)
Apr 27 18:57:40 <konttori_> so, the binary compatibility of omap2 and omap3 is not only a myth :)
Apr 27 18:58:16 <qwerty12_N800> konttori_: pics or it didn't happen! ;p
Apr 27 18:58:22 <konttori_> lol!
Apr 27 19:00:01 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, well, the binary compatibility was never in doubt.
Apr 27 19:00:06 <GeneralAntilles> At least OMAP2 > OMAP3
Apr 27 19:00:21 <GeneralAntilles> What you can't do is take armv7 binaries and use them on OMAP2 devices.
Apr 27 19:00:26 <konttori_> well, it's nice to notice it anyway
Apr 27 19:00:56 <GeneralAntilles> I can't wait to steal all of the OpenPandora's emulators for Maemo 5.
Apr 27 19:01:03 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: well, it's good they didn't mess up binary compatibility :>
Apr 27 19:01:49 <konttori_> if we could only also steal the dpad of pandora
Apr 27 19:02:26 * konttori_ really doesn't comment how god or bad, whether it exists or not on the new device, but what is sure, no nokia product after ngage has had a proper dpad.
Apr 27 19:03:23 <GeneralAntilles> I'd love to see a gaming-oriented tablet.
Apr 27 19:03:34 <GeneralAntilles> E-series tablet, N-series tablet, gaming tablet.
Apr 27 19:05:09 <GeneralAntilles> I can't believe I missed sub-$200 5800s from Dell.
Apr 27 19:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> I was LOOKING at a 5800 yesterday. . . .
Apr 27 19:16:20 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28594
Apr 27 19:22:08 <pupnik_> o/ konttori_
Apr 27 19:24:14 <pupnik_> wonder what happened to transmeta
Apr 27 19:25:54 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, would simply fetching packages from the Debian repos be an option for Easy Debian?
Apr 27 19:26:16 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: would increase installation time 70x :/
Apr 27 19:26:49 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Apr 27 19:43:36 <konttori_> pupnik_: any chance that you could get the gp2x emultator working?
Apr 27 19:43:52 <pupnik_> there's an emulator?
Apr 27 19:43:53 <konttori_> or do you even have time to work on it?
Apr 27 19:44:00 <konttori_> eh, gp2x ses emulator
Apr 27 19:44:12 <konttori_> you were talking about that previously in itt
Apr 27 19:44:13 <pupnik_> gp2x snes emulator i have 1/3-1/2 finished
Apr 27 19:44:20 <pupnik_> it starts and loads the rom
Apr 27 19:44:35 <pupnik_> ok 1/4-1/3
Apr 27 19:44:41 <pupnik_> i was happy to get it to not segfault
Apr 27 19:44:48 <pupnik_> not much time really
Apr 27 19:45:10 <pupnik_> makes more sense to wait for pandora versions i think
Apr 27 19:45:47 <pupnik_> since they're using a more standard set of libs
Apr 27 19:46:28 <pupnik_> and in terms of efficiency, anything i do takes way too much time.
Apr 27 19:52:12 <konttori_> pupnik_: ok, thanks. I also think that waiting for the pandora version might make sense then.
Apr 27 19:54:36 <Stskeeps> lo rm_you|
Apr 27 19:55:18 <rm_you|> lo Stskeeps
Apr 27 19:55:24 <Stskeeps> how goes?
Apr 27 20:03:18 * RST38h yawns
Apr 27 20:47:54 <RST38h> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21638.html
Apr 27 20:47:56 <RST38h> Hehe
Apr 27 20:57:14 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody think a Talk product for Bugzilla is worthwhile?
Apr 27 21:00:06 <pupnik_> what is that
Apr 27 21:00:23 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik_, itT is moving to talk.maemo.org
Apr 27 21:01:27 <pupnik_> achso
Apr 27 21:03:21 <coeus82> GeneralAntilles: when is that happening? I saw the post for that but it was several months old
Apr 27 21:03:40 <GeneralAntilles> coeus82, this week.
Apr 27 21:07:22 <xnt> http://xceleo.com/kvm.png :)
Apr 27 21:07:37 * xnt wonders if maemo will work in kvm
Apr 27 21:07:57 <xnt> or mer
Apr 27 21:08:56 <johnx> xnt, that's a neat frontend. what is it?
Apr 27 21:09:00 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, timely.
Apr 27 21:09:20 <johnx> and we do have a vmware image for mer, so give it a shot :)
Apr 27 21:09:21 <xnt> johnx: its virt-manager from the ubuntu repos
Apr 27 21:09:35 <xnt> ok
Apr 27 21:10:24 * xnt notices 0.13 release
Apr 27 21:11:39 <xnt> do you guys have a iso for mer?
Apr 27 21:12:05 <xnt> rootfs to iso?
Apr 27 21:12:20 <xnt> putting the rootfs to an iso
Apr 27 21:14:15 * xnt notices that kvm supports vmdk natively
Apr 27 21:15:38 <xnt> vmdk almost done downloading
Apr 27 21:15:51 * xnt is glad that he has fios
Apr 27 21:16:44 <Macer> wtf
Apr 27 21:16:48 <Macer> i installed gnome in debian
Apr 27 21:16:53 <Macer> and now the network settings won't stick and i can't figure it out
Apr 27 21:18:13 <xnt> *****0.12 release :P
Apr 27 21:18:26 <pupnik_> good idea to move itt to maemo.org
Apr 27 21:18:39 <pupnik_> better interlinking
Apr 27 21:19:06 <xnt> btw ***** means 5 messages before
Apr 27 21:19:16 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik_, screenshots: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28594
Apr 27 21:20:22 <xnt> GA: Nice but I would like a dark theme, easier on the eyes
Apr 27 21:20:38 <GeneralAntilles> xnt, AFB's going to convert Minimalistic.
Apr 27 21:20:47 <xnt> ok :)
Apr 27 21:21:26 <xnt> vm is being created :)
Apr 27 21:21:51 <Corsac> ok, I hate MM crashing because of bad gconf settings
Apr 27 21:23:33 <xnt> what kernel is mer?
Apr 27 21:23:38 <xnt> 2.6 or 2.4
Apr 27 21:23:46 <Corsac> 2.6.21
Apr 27 21:24:30 <xnt> Corsac : thanks
Apr 27 21:25:13 * xnt hates virt--manager's requirement of a install iso
Apr 27 21:33:33 <xnt> johnx: http://xceleo.com/kvm-mer.png :) I got it working
Apr 27 21:34:13 <johnx> awesome news. would you mind if I added that screenshot to the wiki?
Apr 27 21:34:33 <xnt> nope i wouldn't mind )
Apr 27 21:34:35 <xnt> :)
Apr 27 21:34:52 <johnx> also, you might be interested in joining #mer :)
Apr 27 21:34:54 <xnt> and I can add in the directions later
Apr 27 21:35:25 <xnt> oops I forgot :P I just reinstalled ubuntu on my xps so I need to reconfigure xchat
Apr 27 21:37:14 <ScriptRipper> lbt: did you check how far the arm build came : https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel
Apr 27 21:37:44 <lbt> yeah - I'm looking at pulseaudio
Apr 27 21:37:48 <lbt> and upstart
Apr 27 21:38:23 <lbt> so I can promote them
Apr 27 22:37:31 <Macer> blah
Apr 27 23:22:15 <z4chh> anyone else thing there n810's metal faceplate looks like it has a blue-ish tint?
Apr 27 23:23:36 <fireun> (think their)
Apr 27 23:23:46 <z4chh> indeed
Apr 27 23:24:29 <z4chh> just wondering because i got my n810 today, and i pulled it out and was like "wtf, it looks blue"
Apr 27 23:25:44 <pjrm> i've forgotten my garage/wiki maemo.org password.  How do i get it reset or mailed to me?
Apr 27 23:25:58 <z4chh> it is probably just because of the reflection of light though
Apr 27 23:26:44 <z4chh> i did get some complaments today when i was using it :D
Apr 27 23:26:59 <z4chh> mostly... "hey zach...is that your new iphone?"
Apr 27 23:27:00 <z4chh> ;p
Apr 27 23:27:19 <luke-jr> z4chh: reflection of the felt case?
Apr 27 23:27:56 <luke-jr> I hope you told them how iPhone sucks? ;)
Apr 27 23:27:58 <z4chh> luke-jr, no the metal faceplate to me at least appears to be a blue-ish tint in the light
Apr 27 23:28:32 <z4chh> luke-jr, nah i didn't want to confuse him more than he was ..i was just like "no....not exactly"
Apr 27 23:28:33 <z4chh> ;p
Apr 27 23:30:28 <z4chh> if i said the iphone sucked to most people my age (highschoolers)....they would dismiss it automatically, everyone just about has an ipod, iphone, ipod touch w/e (except me) hah
Apr 27 23:31:08 <z4chh> i won't have anything to do with apple myself..i will never buy their products and if i accidently accquired one for free..it will be sold as soon as possible or be in the trash ;)
Apr 27 23:31:44 <luke-jr> can you write down my address and label it "Trash"?
Apr 27 23:32:51 <z4chh> xD
Apr 27 23:36:10 <z4chh> im trying to get used to n810 keyboard by typing pointless stuff in notes as fast as i can
Apr 27 23:39:28 <z4chh> i do really like it though!
Apr 27 23:39:36 <z4chh> especially having a n800 for like 2 years
Apr 27 23:41:27 <xnt> z4chh: actually the only thing I find wrong with the iphone/ipod is the sdk restrictions :P but i sort of hate the iphoneos, linux+ mer/maemo+ iphone+ hw keyboard(maybe?)= my dream device
Apr 27 23:42:21 <pjrm> xnt: if not using apple software, then what's the appeal of the iphone ?
Apr 27 23:42:48 <xnt> iphone = quality hardware (sort of :P)
Apr 27 23:43:02 <pjrm> nokia tablets have a higher resolution screen, for example (last time i looked at iphone specs)
Apr 27 23:43:25 <xnt> iphone res: 320 x 480 but i really don't care
Apr 27 23:43:31 <xnt> i have both
Apr 27 23:43:41 <xnt> and I like the n810 for its hackability
Apr 27 23:43:43 <xnt> and hw kb
Apr 27 23:43:57 <xnt> and I like the iphone for its sleekness
Apr 27 23:44:38 <z4chh> apple does come out with some sleek stuff...but i refuse to marry them
Apr 27 23:45:17 <pupnik_> the metal case picks up blue from the sky
Apr 27 23:45:31 <z4chh> really?
Apr 27 23:45:32 <pupnik_> but it's also a bit blue
Apr 27 23:45:40 <pupnik_> grey with a hint of blue
Apr 27 23:45:50 <z4chh> oh ok
Apr 27 23:45:52 <pupnik_> on a sunny day, mine looks bluer
Apr 27 23:46:02 <pupnik_> under incandescent, it looks brown-grey
Apr 27 23:46:03 <z4chh> i have been using it outside for the short time ive had it so far
Apr 27 23:46:04 <pupnik_> kind of neat
Apr 27 23:46:47 <z4chh> i love the transreflective display!
Apr 27 23:47:02 <z4chh> with my n800...it just totally fails outside
Apr 27 23:47:04 <pupnik_> yes.  wait til you get used to the keyboard
Apr 27 23:47:39 <pupnik_> it totally owns tapping the screen
Apr 27 23:47:41 <z4chh> being an n800 owner for all this time, im really pleased with this n810 i got
Apr 27 23:48:25 <z4chh> of course the major drawback is the sd slots
Apr 27 23:48:34 <pupnik_> i'm very harsh on mine - unprotected in pockets, pens, pencils, even a screwdriver find use as stylus
Apr 27 23:48:36 <z4chh> but ive got an n800 with 2x 16gb sdhc :)
Apr 27 23:48:40 <pupnik_> nice
Apr 27 23:48:54 <z4chh> i like the little case it came with hah
Apr 27 23:49:01 <z4chh> it actually fits in there pretty snug
Apr 27 23:49:05 <pupnik_> yeah
Apr 27 23:49:08 <pupnik_> wonder where mine is
Apr 27 23:49:16 <z4chh> and i like the thin stylus
Apr 27 23:49:16 <pupnik_> i'm just saying it's quite a tank
Apr 27 23:49:32 <pupnik_> has survived several drops
Apr 27 23:49:43 <z4chh> does it look beaten up?
Apr 27 23:49:57 <pupnik_> no.  can't see a scratch on the screen - the kickstand got a bit bent during a fall though
Apr 27 23:50:52 <z4chh> the little black cloth it came with is nice also
Apr 27 23:50:57 <z4chh> does a lot better than my shirt
Apr 27 23:53:24 <johnx> hey lcuk :)
Apr 27 23:53:34 <z4chh> hi lcuk
Apr 27 23:54:23 <lcuk> hiya
Apr 28 00:43:16 <torkiano> mmmm
Apr 28 00:43:24 <torkiano> maemo 5 beta is out?
Apr 28 00:44:02 <GeneralAntilles> Not yet
Apr 28 00:45:47 <torkiano> I think soon :)
Apr 28 00:45:49 <torkiano> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/
Apr 28 00:46:46 <zakkm> last edited-  today?
Apr 28 00:50:06 <CutMeOwnThroat> z4chh, specially if you ever have an apple laptop, let me trash it for you
Apr 28 00:51:34 <zakkm> apple laptops are awesome!
Apr 28 00:52:06 <z4chh> o_o
Apr 28 00:52:18 <z4chh> that uhm sarcasm? ;p
Apr 28 00:52:45 <CutMeOwnThroat> zakkm, they are - and you can just put linux on them like on any laptop :)
Apr 28 00:53:06 <GeneralAntilles> Apple latops are surprisingly failure prone.
Apr 28 00:53:59 <zakkm> apple is a high brand, totally get what you pay for
Apr 28 00:54:05 <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah... like...failure to let themselves be bought at a reasonable price
Apr 28 00:54:57 <CutMeOwnThroat> but that wouldn't matter, because I would just "trash" (ahem) it for z4chh
Apr 28 00:55:52 <zakkm> i wish i could have a apple laptop
Apr 28 00:56:01 <zakkm> run osx as a desktop
Apr 28 00:56:07 <CutMeOwnThroat> of course, it might also be fun to play around with the apple os for a while
Apr 28 00:56:39 <CutMeOwnThroat> although it'd surely get on my nerves for being different after a while
Apr 28 00:57:11 <zakkm> ;o
Apr 28 00:57:22 <zakkm> apple OS is the only true OS, windows isnt a os ;p its garbage
Apr 28 00:57:22 <GeneralAntilles> CutMeOwnThroat, what's your current desktop?
Apr 28 00:57:57 <CutMeOwnThroat> GeneralAntilles, hmm, how to answer that
Apr 28 00:58:13 <CutMeOwnThroat> custom configured fvwm2
Apr 28 00:58:22 <zakkm> no fvwm-crystal? :)
Apr 28 00:58:34 <zakkm> and you choose that over osx?
Apr 28 00:58:34 <GeneralAntilles> CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, I don't think Aqua would cut it for you.
Apr 28 00:58:56 <zakkm> generalantilles: still using adium irc, or did you go back?
Apr 28 00:59:40 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, still using it.
Apr 28 00:59:48 <CutMeOwnThroat> well... a) my own config is what I'm used to for years, so ... yeah, even if it looks ugly and everything I prefer it
Apr 28 00:59:50 <GeneralAntilles> The background CPU consumption alone is enough to make me switch at this point.
Apr 28 00:59:51 <zakkm> did you set it to automatically join channels?
Apr 28 00:59:57 <GeneralAntilles> Nope
Apr 28 01:00:06 <GeneralAntilles> I need to tweak the theme at some point.
Apr 28 01:00:31 <zakkm> i use the default "Smooth operator" :D
Apr 28 01:00:44 <CutMeOwnThroat> and b) my comment on osx was more about the underlying system - it'd be annoying because device structure and other things would be different so you start over learning
Apr 28 01:00:58 <zakkm> you dont have to learn anything ;p
Apr 28 01:01:02 <zakkm> it doesnt require you too
Apr 28 01:01:16 <CutMeOwnThroat> it does, when I want to change something
Apr 28 01:01:23 <CutMeOwnThroat> or need to
Apr 28 01:01:30 <zakkm> i was referring to its a easy OS
Apr 28 01:02:02 <zakkm> installs are drag and drop. dock is awesome ;p better built in stuff
Apr 28 01:02:21 <zakkm> generalantilles: did you see "Knots" ?
Apr 28 01:02:25 <zakkm> for the tablet?
Apr 28 01:02:47 <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, I actually already had fvwm-crystal installed
Apr 28 01:03:03 <zakkm> cause it pwns :)
Apr 28 01:03:18 <zakkm> reason i bought my old nokia 770 was to try and run fvwm-crystal on it ;p
Apr 28 01:03:26 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, many months ago.
Apr 28 01:03:51 <zakkm> generalantilles: just discovered it like 20 hours ago, and the guy helped me set it up , works so nice : )
Apr 28 01:04:34 <CutMeOwnThroat> ... now I'll have to start a 2nd Xserver and see what it looks like
Apr 28 01:05:11 <luke-jr> be glad you don't live in the USA
Apr 28 01:05:13 <luke-jr> unless you do
Apr 28 01:05:17 <luke-jr> then run for it
Apr 28 01:06:40 <zakkm> ?
Apr 28 01:06:44 <zakkm> luke-jr: ?
Apr 28 01:07:02 <luke-jr> zakkm: this country is worse than a dictatorship
Apr 28 01:07:40 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 01:07:46 <CutMeOwnThroat> luke-jr, so how many dictatorships have you lived in, exactly?
Apr 28 01:07:50 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Apr 28 01:07:51 <zakkm> i know enough in the US , some arent doing so bad
Apr 28 01:07:51 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: none
Apr 28 01:07:56 <CutMeOwnThroat> hmmmm...
Apr 28 01:07:59 <GeneralAntilles> US is bad, but it's better than the alternatives.
Apr 28 01:08:04 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: is it?
Apr 28 01:08:06 <zakkm> i live in CANADA :)
Apr 28 01:08:10 <luke-jr> we have no rights
Apr 28 01:08:20 <GeneralAntilles> We have a helluva lot of rights compared to most places.
Apr 28 01:08:21 <luke-jr> zakkm: ok, I guess you just made GeneralAntilles's point about alternatives
Apr 28 01:08:30 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: only if you don't exercise them ;)-
Apr 28 01:08:40 <CutMeOwnThroat> luke-jr, how many countries ruled by a dictator have you VISITED, then?
Apr 28 01:08:42 <luke-jr> try to exercise your rights, and you'll end up dead or in jail
Apr 28 01:08:46 <zakkm> rights dont have to be used?
Apr 28 01:08:55 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: I cannot leave the state of Nebraska.
Apr 28 01:09:01 <zakkm> luke-jr: not everybody lives where you live
Apr 28 01:09:06 <luke-jr> zakkm: they're rights on paper only
Apr 28 01:09:08 <CutMeOwnThroat> you can't?
Apr 28 01:09:18 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: not without being punished for it
Apr 28 01:09:21 <CutMeOwnThroat> good place for rights, on paper
Apr 28 01:09:46 <luke-jr> or at least chased
Apr 28 01:09:50 <zakkm> even better is stoned :)
Apr 28 01:09:56 <zakkm> good ole cave people :D
Apr 28 01:10:02 <zakkm> written in stone :)
Apr 28 01:10:21 <luke-jr> maybe single people have some rights
Apr 28 01:10:32 <zakkm> ?
Apr 28 01:10:37 <zakkm> why cant you leave a state?
Apr 28 01:10:46 <xnt> ?
Apr 28 01:10:59 <zakkm> luke-jr: why cant you leave the state?
Apr 28 01:11:00 * xnt is confused
Apr 28 01:11:00 <CutMeOwnThroat> zakkm, compiz would be funny if you could use 4 dimensinal hypercubes... can't understand why it wouldn't support this
Apr 28 01:11:11 <zakkm> you can add more than 4?
Apr 28 01:11:15 <zakkm> you can have 64 sides?
Apr 28 01:11:22 <xnt> cmot: yeah
Apr 28 01:11:44 <xnt> zakkm: yes that is possible (i think)
Apr 28 01:11:51 <CutMeOwnThroat> zakkm, yes, but it only becomse a type of torus
Apr 28 01:11:51 <luke-jr> zakkm: they'll chase me and arrest me
Apr 28 01:11:54 <luke-jr> http://www.senatornancyschaefer.com/newsletters_updates.php?filter=43
Apr 28 01:11:56 <zakkm> cutmeownthroat: you dont have unofficial / extras plugins installed do you?
Apr 28 01:12:04 <zakkm> theres more to compiz than in repository
Apr 28 01:12:12 <zakkm> svn and git has tonssssssssss of plugins.. 100's worth
Apr 28 01:12:16 <zakkm> that arent in any repository
Apr 28 01:12:34 <CutMeOwnThroat> I tried all the stuff that Debian had
Apr 28 01:12:46 <luke-jr> zakkm: they make a profit off denying my rights
Apr 28 01:12:48 <CutMeOwnThroat> but the desktop just wouldn't become big enough for me
Apr 28 01:12:51 <luke-jr> a huge profit
Apr 28 01:12:59 <CutMeOwnThroat> I GOT IT!
Apr 28 01:13:14 <zakkm> big enouigh?
Apr 28 01:13:18 <CutMeOwnThroat> luke-jr, is the gopher they show around on gophers day!
Apr 28 01:13:20 <zakkm> bigger monitor, lower DPI, ?
Apr 28 01:13:36 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: go read the article
Apr 28 01:14:07 <xnt> cmot: compiz-svn
Apr 28 01:15:08 <killfill> hi
Apr 28 01:15:22 <killfill> its impossible to download nokia's firmware...
Apr 28 01:15:30 <killfill> ( RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin )
Apr 28 01:15:36 <killfill> where could i download it form another place?
Apr 28 01:15:55 <luke-jr> killfill: you can't; keep trying
Apr 28 01:16:14 <killfill> 916bytes/s.. :S
Apr 28 01:16:14 <luke-jr> killfill: Nokia is closed source, so it's illegal for us to send it to you
Apr 28 01:16:21 <luke-jr> sorry
Apr 28 01:16:25 <killfill> :S
Apr 28 01:16:37 <killfill> isnt there a open-source one?.. :P
Apr 28 01:16:40 <luke-jr> yeah, that was my reaction at some points too
Apr 28 01:16:42 <luke-jr> nope
Apr 28 01:17:07 <luke-jr> Nokia may market their stuff as open source, but it's a lie. It is not possible to use it without closed source
Apr 28 01:17:21 <killfill> yup
Apr 28 01:17:49 <luke-jr> hm
Apr 28 01:17:56 <luke-jr> I wonder if they do in fact advertise that
Apr 28 01:17:58 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, Nokia doesn't market their stuff as open source.
Apr 28 01:18:09 <luke-jr> ah, just rumour then :<
Apr 28 01:18:18 <GeneralAntilles> So you say something like it's a fact, then wonder if it's actually true 30 seconds later?
Apr 28 01:18:22 <luke-jr> or false hope
Apr 28 01:18:29 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: "may"
Apr 28 01:18:49 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think may means what you think it means in that context.
Apr 28 01:18:50 <luke-jr> eg, I didn't say "Nokia does market…"
Apr 28 01:22:36 <CutMeOwnThroat> and which of them is you?
Apr 28 01:24:47 <xnt> luke-jr: that story is messed up, read the part about the foster parent leaving the baby in the car
Apr 28 01:25:10 <xnt> well the actions of the cps is
Apr 28 01:25:26 <CutMeOwnThroat> xnt, and anyway... he's the grandma? rright
Apr 28 01:27:15 <xnt> no read ctrl+f in firefox: While in their anxiety and turmoil to get their child home, the baby was left for hours in a car to die in the heat in her car seat by a foster parent who forgot a
Apr 28 01:27:38 <xnt> copy and paste that segment then do ctrl+f and paste
Apr 28 01:27:56 <CutMeOwnThroat> it also fails to mention that the mother was a drug-addict, which was the reason the child was taken from her in the first place
Apr 28 01:28:34 <CutMeOwnThroat> open needles lying around all over the house when they 1st took the kid
Apr 28 01:28:42 <xnt> and the grandmother?
Apr 28 01:28:49 <CutMeOwnThroat> a dealer?
Apr 28 01:28:52 <CutMeOwnThroat> what do I know
Apr 28 01:29:00 <xnt> :P nevermind
Apr 28 01:29:13 <CutMeOwnThroat> I just say the article doesn't even mention why it was taken away
Apr 28 01:29:23 <CutMeOwnThroat> this is clearly written in a one-sided way
Apr 28 01:29:26 <xnt> well the point is that the part about the car is sad
Apr 28 01:29:37 <luke-jr> xnt: it's all true
Apr 28 01:29:58 <xnt> seriously killing a baby because of carelessness?
Apr 28 01:30:10 <luke-jr> no, CPS being abusive
Apr 28 01:30:20 <xnt> exactly
Apr 28 01:30:45 <CutMeOwnThroat> so you can't leave your state because you're locked into a car?
Apr 28 01:31:07 <xnt> ?
Apr 28 01:32:15 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: because the state kidnapped my kids
Apr 28 01:32:21 <xnt> cmot, luke-jr: read little brother its a cc book http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/
Apr 28 01:32:51 <xnt> brb
Apr 28 01:33:51 <luke-jr> xnt: why?
Apr 28 01:34:07 <luke-jr> I know from experience that CPS has no legitimacy in at least the majority of their abuse.
Apr 28 01:37:31 <xnt> luke-jr: its about a 17 year old in sf and his city is attacked and the dhs violates the bill of rights, and takes everyone's privacy away, and how he stopped them, its a good read, and it has linux in it too :)
Apr 28 01:43:08 <z4chh> how come transfering a backup folder from device to another doesn't get recognized by the backup/restore program?
Apr 28 01:47:37 <z4chh> ahhh
Apr 28 01:47:42 <z4chh> it has to be in a folder called backups
Apr 28 01:47:43 <z4chh> :)
Apr 28 01:48:10 <z4chh> butter me up
Apr 28 02:48:40 <z4chh> i get a Connection refused when i try to ssh onto my new n810..did i miss something during install? o_o
Apr 28 02:49:37 <zakkm> you have ssh installed on tablet?
Apr 28 02:49:46 <zakkm> did you say yes to adding key when you tried connecting?
Apr 28 02:49:50 <zakkm> did you connect user@ip ?
Apr 28 02:52:55 <CutMeOwnThroat> did you do it from inside the NAT...
Apr 28 02:53:29 <z4chh> eh NAT?
Apr 28 02:53:44 <z4chh> zakkm, all that checks out
Apr 28 02:54:05 <z4chh> Connection Refused is usually a hosts.deny error o.o
Apr 28 02:54:37 <z4chh> in which case i would add in the sshd: ALL: ALLOW
Apr 28 02:54:44 <z4chh> hosts.allow
Apr 28 02:55:48 <zakkm> z4chh: it shouldnt have to
Apr 28 02:55:58 <zakkm> z4chh: openssh or dropbear ssh?
Apr 28 02:56:42 <z4chh> openssh
Apr 28 02:56:56 <z4chh> i have that...and openssh-client openssh-server
Apr 28 02:57:01 <zakkm> you installed, you set a key
Apr 28 02:57:10 <z4chh> no
Apr 28 02:57:15 <z4chh> a password maybe
Apr 28 02:57:16 <zakkm> nokia contrlling pc or pc controlling computer?
Apr 28 02:57:18 <z4chh> i guess that is key
Apr 28 02:57:27 <zakkm> password gets encrypted = key .
Apr 28 02:57:51 <zakkm> compute ryou put ssh root@192.168.x.xxx ?
Apr 28 02:57:55 <z4chh> im using remote computer to ssh onto my new n810
Apr 28 02:57:59 <zakkm> and said yes to allow?
Apr 28 02:58:21 <z4chh> nah right away i get
Apr 28 02:58:23 <z4chh> ssh: connect to host 10.13.37.252 port 22: Connection refused
Apr 28 02:58:48 <zakkm> you connecting from same wireless?
Apr 28 02:58:52 <zakkm> same network?
Apr 28 02:58:52 <johnx> try sshing to the tablet from itself
Apr 28 02:58:53 <z4chh> yes
Apr 28 02:59:01 <z4chh> johnx, that works :D
Apr 28 02:59:01 <zakkm> oh on 10
Apr 28 02:59:11 <zakkm> ssh root@10.13.37.252      ?
Apr 28 02:59:16 <zakkm> you did?
Apr 28 02:59:17 <johnx> yeah, give that a shot too
Apr 28 02:59:21 <z4chh> johnx, my tablet can ssh onto the machine that i tried to ssh into my tablet with
Apr 28 02:59:26 <z4chh> zakkm, yes
Apr 28 02:59:29 <zakkm> you check ifconfig wlan0 to make sure thats the right ip of the tablet?
Apr 28 02:59:44 <z4chh> whoa wtf
Apr 28 02:59:47 <johnx> ok, next step, try turning off wifi power saving mode temporarily to test
Apr 28 03:00:01 <z4chh> it magically worked when i just did it now o_O
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