**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 01 02:59:57 2009
May 01 03:18:14 <luke-jr_> any ETA on kernel 2.6.30-omap1?
May 01 04:08:18 <Guest2725_712> hello someone have a good link about colors of swatch sheme and more explanation about every qgn colors?
May 01 05:51:18 <zeev> hi, did smb. tried or is tries to replace android with maemo on the HTC devices? how probable is this?
May 01 05:52:36 <StsN801> if you get ubuntu booting (not chroot) mer is a good candidate for getting maemo platform on it
May 01 06:59:47 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 01 06:59:50 <timeless_mbp> yes
May 01 06:59:56 <timeless_mbp> today's a state holiday
May 01 07:12:26 <StsN802> not here. union however
May 01 07:25:25 <radic> StsN802: my N800 does not boot...
May 01 07:26:13 <radic> StsN802: I see the screen withe the infos that are shown in the RD-Mode and after few secs it turns of and starts again...
May 01 07:26:47 <radic> StsN802: I cahnged noting in the systemconfiguration and a day before it worked...
May 01 07:29:57 <Stskeeps> you could ask people in general here you know :P
May 01 07:30:43 <radic> Stskeeps: there all away except you ;)
May 01 07:43:40 <radic_> re
May 01 07:53:30 <radic_> Stskeeps: the flasher doesn't find my N800
May 01 07:55:37 <timeless_mbp> radic_: typically you should pull the battery....
May 01 07:56:17 <radic_> lol
May 01 07:56:31 <radic_> I replaced the USB-Cable
May 01 07:56:36 <radic_> now it works
May 01 07:56:48 <radic_> damen cheap cables...
May 01 07:58:41 <pupnik_> lcuk: do you think a x41 for 260 euro or a x61 for 800 euro is the better deal?
May 01 07:58:45 <pupnik_> *tablet
May 01 08:02:22 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik_, save it for the RX-51?
May 01 08:02:37 <pupnik_> yeah right
May 01 08:02:42 <pupnik_> sorry, what was i thinking
May 01 08:02:52 <GeneralAntilles> :P
May 01 08:03:08 <pupnik_> i was actually thinking 'to do art'
May 01 08:03:18 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, good plan.
May 01 08:05:02 <GeneralAntilles> The TouchBook could make a really nice sketch tablet.
May 01 08:06:59 * pupnik_ checks
May 01 08:18:51 <aquatix> pupnik_: x61t with 1400x1050?
May 01 08:18:56 <aquatix> i'd go for that one
May 01 08:19:05 <aquatix> it's awesome
May 01 08:19:09 <pupnik_> used it?
May 01 08:19:20 <aquatix> not personally
May 01 08:19:30 <pupnik_> i've had one in my hands (not the tablet version)
May 01 08:19:35 <pupnik_> beautiful little device
May 01 08:19:43 <aquatix> but i've used an x61 for a bit and have heard really good tales about the tablet
May 01 08:19:46 <aquatix> yep
May 01 08:42:53 <RST38h> moo all
May 01 08:43:01 <timeless_mbp> MOV
May 01 08:43:14 <RST38h> ThinkPad? KILL.
May 01 08:43:33 <thux> RST38h: morning
May 01 08:44:50 <RST38h> heya thux
May 01 08:55:07 <radic_> If I want that I can boot from other devices is there a way to create a bootmenu?
May 01 09:07:15 <radic_> usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable
May 01 09:07:34 <radic_> I dosn't understand what's the problem...
May 01 09:44:22 <lbt> ROFL :  Iceweasel spell checker knows Gobbledegook but not Firefox or Iceweasel...
May 01 09:55:37 <genewitch1> anyone know if the n800 can stream audio to a bluetooth device?
May 01 09:56:25 <Jaffa> genewitch: Using A2DP? Yes, but it's a bit fiddly. The next device will support it OOTB
May 01 10:02:46 <radic_> If I want delete some files in the initfsimage that I mounted I get the message that there are no space left
May 01 10:02:59 <radic_> why I need space for deleting files?
May 01 10:11:09 <genewitch> what is A2DP
May 01 10:11:33 <genewitch> Jaffa: is that third party or what? I am debating buying a bluetooth stereo for my car
May 01 10:11:37 <lbt> audio over bluetooth
May 01 10:11:45 <lbt> protocol
May 01 10:11:57 <genewitch> what's fiddly about it?
May 01 10:12:09 <lbt> compatibility and quality
May 01 10:12:15 <genewitch> hm
May 01 10:12:27 <genewitch> maybe i should invest in a cheap PC and use MPD
May 01 10:12:35 <genewitch> and just remote control it with the maemo
May 01 10:12:45 <lbt> apparently the next nokia device has better audio HW
May 01 10:12:52 <lbt> might make a good in-car PC :)
May 01 10:13:02 <genewitch> yeah that's what i am using mine as right now
May 01 10:13:17 <genewitch> but right now i live in an unsaturated FM band, and i am moving to Southern California
May 01 10:13:32 <genewitch> so FM transmitter won't cut it
May 01 10:16:59 <genewitch> is there a howto for the bluetooth audio?
May 01 10:40:47 <genewitch> well my computer refuses to cooperate
May 01 10:40:50 <genewitch> bah
May 01 11:14:50 <ssvb> genewitch: information about setting up A2DP on internet tablets: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468
May 01 11:27:51 <timeless_mbp> hey
May 01 11:28:02 <timeless_mbp> where does h-a-m live these days?
May 01 11:28:16 <Stskeeps> that's a very good question
May 01 11:28:50 <timeless_mbp> while i'm asking questions...
May 01 11:28:52 <timeless_mbp> https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=122
May 01 11:29:02 <timeless_mbp> why s this link present: Projectos que Precisam de Ajuda  	
May 01 11:29:14 <timeless_mbp> i don't usually claim to speak languages other than English
May 01 11:29:26 * timeless_mbp thinks that's Portuguese 
May 01 11:29:34 * Stskeeps doesn't see it
May 01 11:30:03 <timeless_mbp> for me it's one tab to the left of the orange ham tab
May 01 11:30:31 <timeless_mbp> http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager
May 01 11:30:35 <timeless_mbp> claims to be something
May 01 11:30:39 <timeless_mbp> but i claim it's empty
May 01 11:31:29 <GAN800> timeless, git, although I'm thinking it's not all out in the open. :/
May 01 11:31:48 <timeless_mbp> i'm shocked!
May 01 11:32:29 <GAN800> Maybe it moved to git.maemo.org at some point. Don't recall.
May 01 11:33:18 <timeless_mbp> g i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g    s o o n
May 01 11:33:21 <timeless_mbp> OH SURE
May 01 11:33:31 <yerga> git.maemo.org/projects
May 01 11:33:42 <timeless_mbp> Forbidden
May 01 11:33:42 <timeless_mbp> You don't have permission to access /projects/ on this server.
May 01 11:33:45 <timeless_mbp> that's better
May 01 11:33:45 <yerga> HAM is in some git service in some web
May 01 11:34:07 <suihkulokki> timeless_mbp: https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb
May 01 11:34:40 <timeless_mbp> ok, a quick look says "it ain't there"
May 01 11:34:53 <GAN800> we really need an index for this shit
May 01 11:35:04 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 01 11:35:08 <suihkulokki> someone less lazy than me should open a bug to a add a redirect to the webroot
May 01 11:35:15 <timeless_mbp> GAN800: yeah right
May 01 11:35:19 * timeless_mbp should do taht
May 01 11:35:24 * timeless_mbp ponders
May 01 11:35:49 <GAN800> Took me forever to find the bugzilla svn
May 01 11:36:15 <timeless_mbp> timeless-mbp:src timeless$ sudo port install git-core
May 01 12:02:03 <timeless_mbp> GAN800: ok... where are the svn repos? :)
May 01 12:02:07 <timeless_mbp> svn.m.o?
May 01 12:03:32 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, garage.maemo.org
May 01 12:03:44 <timeless_mbp> oh that
May 01 12:03:49 <timeless_mbp> swift already clones that
May 01 12:04:04 * timeless_mbp waits for git clones of git.m.o to finish
May 01 12:04:30 <timeless_mbp> git.maemo.org[0: 62.61.69.144]: errno=Operation timed out
May 01 12:04:32 <timeless_mbp> ??
May 01 12:28:43 * lardman_ is shocked he's still logged in
May 01 12:28:54 <lardman_> derf: http://blogs.bath.ac.uk/qrcode/
May 01 12:29:01 <lardman_> derf: finally a use for QR codes! ;)
May 01 12:29:24 * lardman_ heads off for lunch
May 01 12:30:55 <derf> Mmmmchocolate.
May 01 12:57:35 <lopz> hola
May 01 12:58:59 <pupnik> huhu
May 01 13:17:46 <timeless_mbp> ok, i can't figure out how to clone anything from that git repo
May 01 13:24:28 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Good to see that the maemo.org paranoia hasn't stopped post-talk change
May 01 13:31:28 <pupnik> do you think mer will be resolution-independent?
May 01 13:31:51 <pupnik> i'd like a big chart comparing the various foss mobile OS's
May 01 14:08:10 <sp3000> timeless_mbp: what, like git clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/anki ?
May 01 14:08:31 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: git says curl says it can't handle https :)
May 01 14:08:32 * sp3000 shudders at git.*https
May 01 14:08:42 <sp3000> well fire your curl :)
May 01 14:10:40 <timeless_mbp> i should note it seems to be a libcurl thing
May 01 14:10:45 <timeless_mbp> because curl itself seems to work !
May 01 14:27:15 <Jaffa> pupnik: AIUI, the intent for mer is to be resolution independent
May 01 14:27:25 <Jaffa> (within obvios/practical limits ;-))
May 01 14:33:37 <andrewfblack> Hello
May 01 14:41:00 <timeless_mbp> ok, i got git-curl-https happy
May 01 14:41:29 <lbt> hi gnuton
May 01 14:42:17 <gnuton> hei lbt
May 01 14:42:18 <gnuton> :D
May 01 14:42:33 <lbt> you've been busy I see
May 01 14:43:16 <lbt> I've been doing a lot with Mer recently - so sorry I've not pushed the Qt stuff so much
May 01 14:43:20 <lbt> however :)
May 01 14:43:28 <lbt> I'm looking at QTablet too
May 01 14:44:04 <lbt> and we will get Qt on Mer :)
May 01 14:44:21 <lbt> so... fingerscrolling
May 01 14:45:42 <lbt> can we split this into tasks and accept the core touch thing first; then look at bounce; and finally look at animating the per-item scrolling
May 01 14:49:07 <gnuton> lbt: I don't want to add new features until I don't resolve some issues in fremantle.
May 01 14:50:36 <lbt> OK - but we really need to schedule this for fremantle inclusion...
May 01 14:50:50 <gnuton> lbt: I agree wit you.
May 01 14:51:20 <lbt> :) and whilst I think all 3 features are great; I think the priority is as above ^^^
May 01 14:51:25 <lbt> cool
May 01 14:51:38 <lbt> if I know that we're pushing to include it
May 01 14:51:47 <lbt> then I'm happy to work hard on it :)
May 01 14:53:05 <gnuton> lbt: I will happy too to have your work in Qt, btw I can't promise you anything for fremantle.
May 01 14:53:29 <lbt> I understand
May 01 14:53:50 <lbt> but if you say it's important and you'll try to use it
May 01 14:53:55 <lbt> then that's good enough
May 01 14:54:50 <monkeyiqchin> anyone know how to show a list of your POIs in maemo mapper?
May 01 15:00:11 <monkeyiqchin> ah ok. browse pois and use gps position to get around the origin issue... seems to work
May 01 15:42:21 <lbt> silly Matan
May 01 15:43:27 <jeremiah_> ping: X-Fade
May 01 15:43:42 <jeremiah_> Or rather, X-Fade: ping
May 01 15:50:00 <Jaffa> lbt++
May 01 16:21:09 <Mec-sympa> hi all
May 01 17:00:00 <Davide> Hey I have a question, I have cloned to my SD card, but failed to create a swap partition.  I made a linux partition 1gb for the os, and 1 fat partition 1gb for storage.  If I use fdisk to edit the card, and partition the swap only from the sectors of the storage partition, can this damage my cloned installation?
May 01 17:02:24 <x29a> Davide: if youre not touching the system partition, no
May 01 17:02:32 <Davide> x29a cool thanks
May 01 17:02:38 <x29a> Davide: you are deleting the fat partition and making it into two partitions, right?
May 01 17:02:44 <Davide> that's right
May 01 17:03:03 <Davide> do I have to fdisk the whole card? or can I fdisk only that storage partition?
May 01 17:03:09 <Davide> x29a
May 01 17:03:36 <x29a> you fdisk your device, since it contains the partition
May 01 17:03:41 <Davide> all right
May 01 17:03:47 <x29a> fdisk /dev/sda or whatever
May 01 17:03:47 <Davide> thank you
May 01 17:04:00 <x29a> sda1 will be system, sda2 will be data, sda3 then swap or something
May 01 17:06:35 <luke-jr_> erm
May 01 17:06:40 <luke-jr_> SD cards aren't sda
May 01 17:08:59 <keesj> 90% of the time sd-cards are accessed via a usb-card reader implementing scsi and hence the /dev/sdX names
May 01 17:09:23 <keesj> but sda is probably the first disk and usualy not what you want to format ..
May 01 17:10:00 <luke-jr_> keesj: not in here
May 01 17:10:18 <luke-jr_> in here, 90% of the time SD cards are accessed via whatever implementing /dev/mmcblkX
May 01 17:15:53 <Davide> x29a, luke-jr_, so my current FAT partition is mmcblk0p1, and my linux boot partition is mmcblk0p2.  When I run fdisk, it will ask me in sequence to assign sectors to the partitions.  this means I will have to re-assigne the linus partition? and then assign swap in the 3rd position mmcblk0p3??  won't this recreate the boot partition and ruin the current one?
May 01 17:16:03 <keesj> those are the block device of the mmc layer
May 01 17:16:26 <Davide> keesj can you elaborate?
May 01 17:16:58 <Davide> don't wanna make a mistake I don't quite understand what I can do without ruining the previous partition
May 01 17:17:03 <keesj> if you are "on" the device it's probably what luke-jr is saying
May 01 17:17:55 <Davide> yes I don't have any trouble accessing the partition, I"m just trying to figure out if re-assigning the sectors will ruin the linux partition and my OS
May 01 17:18:20 <keesj> food... bbl
May 01 17:19:01 <Davide> Since it will ask me first /dev/mmcblk0p1:   then /dev/mmcblk0p2:  etc etc..
May 01 17:20:18 <Davide> anyone? :(
May 01 17:37:52 <Davide> anyone know how to use fdisk?
May 01 17:42:21 <x29a> Davide: youre not using the normal fdisk but cfdisk on device or?
May 01 17:42:32 <Davide> sfdisk
May 01 17:42:49 <x29a> ah, im not familiar with that, sorry
May 01 17:42:59 <Davide> wait check this out
May 01 17:43:02 <x29a> might be that if you just hit enter it will leave everything on that partition
May 01 17:43:06 <x29a> manpage should say
May 01 17:43:21 <Davide> so I did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -N1
May 01 17:43:26 <Davide> and this edits only the first partition
May 01 17:43:40 <Davide> but then I did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -N3
May 01 17:43:42 <Davide> that edits partition 3
May 01 17:44:04 <Davide> so I tried to create one partition on position one and one on position 3
May 01 17:44:22 <Davide> but the one on pos 3 gave an error... can partitions be created out of sequence? meaning even if the sectors are non sequential?
May 01 17:44:25 <Davide> does that matter x29a?
May 01 18:10:05 <AStorm> hello
May 01 18:10:13 <AStorm> Stskeeps, you around?
May 01 18:10:22 <Stskeeps> yeah
May 01 18:10:31 <AStorm> I'm about to install Mer on my n810
May 01 18:10:38 <AStorm> any missing features?
May 01 18:11:19 <Stskeeps> plenty, but really - check it out and see what's missing. sound is reachable, battery meter is reachable - but we have a problem with pulseaudio still so it's not so integrated yet
May 01 18:11:53 <Stskeeps> there's quirks still, obviously, but we're well underway
May 01 18:12:18 <keesj> re
May 01 18:12:29 <Stskeeps> evening keesj
May 01 18:13:23 <keesj> can I add my sheeva-plug as build host for Mer ?
May 01 18:13:29 <AStorm> mhh
May 01 18:13:52 <AStorm> I could help with pulse.. unless it's already done right
May 01 18:14:13 <Stskeeps> basically we need a pulseaudio plugin speaking the DSP protocol (which is horridly simple, see osso-esd)
May 01 18:14:22 <Stskeeps> as the alsa output segfaults
May 01 18:15:35 <Stskeeps> but PA plugins arenÃ't as simple as esd ones :/
May 01 18:15:37 * lcuk waves
May 01 18:15:55 <Stskeeps> lo lcuk
May 01 18:16:32 <lcuk> hey sts, are you planning on not bringing esd over then
May 01 18:17:11 <Stskeeps> lcuk: correct, following fremantle audio
May 01 18:17:18 <Stskeeps> pulseaudio has ESD compat.
May 01 18:17:20 <lcuk> good
May 01 18:18:00 <lcuk> gah my laptop wont start sshd on its own
May 01 18:18:42 <lcuk> how do i generically run something on bootup?
May 01 18:18:57 <AStorm> Stskeeps, asked #pulseaudio yet?
May 01 18:19:04 <AStorm> someone might be willing
May 01 18:20:40 <AStorm> well, I'd be if not for other projects...
May 01 18:20:59 <AStorm> this is just a bunch of IO in DSP assembly
May 01 18:21:18 <AStorm> and I've made mods to pulse's ladspa sink
May 01 18:21:41 <AStorm> so I do understand their infra...
May 01 18:22:31 <Stskeeps> actually i didn't - but this actually just /dev/ dumping, not DSP
May 01 18:25:40 <AStorm> meh
May 01 18:25:41 <AStorm> meh
May 01 18:26:12 <AStorm> so it's like the OSS driver
May 01 18:26:12 <AStorm> but easier
May 01 18:28:57 <AStorm> does Mer initfs have a boot menu to pick the partition?
May 01 18:29:36 <Stskeeps> yes
May 01 18:33:27 <AStorm> good - do you recommend using JFFS2 flash or internal mmc (no, not the card, I need that slot)
May 01 18:56:45 <GAN800> Ugh, Reggie changed the orange.
May 01 18:57:00 <GAN800> Jaffa, I just don't get it.
May 01 19:00:24 <lcuk> change the jaffa
May 01 19:02:53 * GAN800 bangs his head through the wall over the tablet school insanity.
May 01 19:04:36 * Proteous eats coffee cake while (AMAZINGLY!!) drinking coffee
May 01 19:06:58 <GAN800> It's like itT has a dedicated terminal in a mental institution.
May 01 19:09:00 <jaska> haha
May 01 19:09:09 <johnx_> GAN800, the tablet school thing sounded like a good idea at first...has it taken a turn for the insane?
May 01 19:10:01 <GAN800> johnx_, krisse is totalky against having it in the wiki for some goddamn reason and now it seems the ONLY wiki she's familiar with is the itT one.
May 01 19:10:14 * GAN800 is losing his mind to the forums.
May 01 19:10:28 <johnx> it kind of makes sense as an aggregated blog
May 01 19:10:49 * johnx should join in the fray and add totally new options for people to "discuss" :>
May 01 19:13:48 <GAN800> johnx, nothing she's proposed is impossible on a wiki
May 01 19:14:07 <GAN800> except for the crazy gatekeeoing she seems to want for some reason.
May 01 19:14:42 <johnx> she's worried about exposing new users to inaccurate information I'm sure
May 01 19:14:59 <johnx> same as when we were battling the "just enable redpill mode" people
May 01 19:15:54 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, all the more reason to have it on a wiki.
May 01 19:16:00 <GeneralAntilles> As anybody can change it.
May 01 19:16:49 <GeneralAntilles> Which mostly means that people like me, X-Fade, Jaffa, etc. who check the recent changes every day will review it.
May 01 19:17:27 <GeneralAntilles> Having a gateway doesn't guarantee that the people on the other side of the gate know what they're about.
May 01 19:18:01 <johnx> I think there's a certain amount of "walled garden" thinking involved...
May 01 19:18:06 <johnx> hmm, I wonder if submitting them to the wiki and having the best-of-the-best promoted to a blog style thing would make sense
May 01 19:19:04 <GeneralAntilles> !!!! It's infected -developers, too! O_O
May 01 19:19:18 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, see the Mer frontpage or GSoC
May 01 19:19:34 <GeneralAntilles> Any sort of index is perfectly technically feasible on the wiki.
May 01 19:25:01 * Jaffa sighs.
May 01 19:25:22 <GeneralAntilles> Where did we go so wrong?
May 01 19:29:28 * johnx prefers to frequent the more pleasant threads like tear 0.3.1 beta
May 01 19:29:44 * GeneralAntilles has to fight fires, unfortunately.
May 01 19:29:48 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, so what are the symptoms when you lose your connection to comcast?
May 01 19:30:02 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, cable modem seems to reset itself.
May 01 19:30:03 <lcuk> the porn stops coming
May 01 19:30:17 <GeneralAntilles> Takes anywhere from 10 seconds to 10 minutes to reconnect.
May 01 19:30:17 <slonopotamus> :D
May 01 19:30:34 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, community growing pains :)
May 01 19:30:34 <johnx> also: barn painting :D
May 01 19:32:43 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, do you lose your dhcp lease on your router or not?
May 01 19:32:53 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
May 01 19:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> I'm thinking so, but I haven't really payed close enough attention to tell.
May 01 19:33:40 <johnx> watch next time. I also can't get a new lease during the time it's down
May 01 19:33:54 <johnx> I think this might be a semi-deliberate practice :/
May 01 19:34:03 <GeneralAntilles> Comcast?
May 01 19:34:05 <johnx> yeah
May 01 19:34:09 <GeneralAntilles> You fucking know it's deliberate.
May 01 19:34:19 <johnx> but my cable modem diagnostics are still saying it has a connection
May 01 19:34:23 <GeneralAntilles> I'm canceling my account for the summer tomorrow anyway.
May 01 19:34:32 <johnx> and moving to...?
May 01 19:34:45 <GeneralAntilles> Back home for the Summer.
May 01 19:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> Where Brighthouse is the greatest ISP ever. ;)
May 01 19:35:02 <johnx> ah, good deal then. thought you were going to dialup or something
May 01 19:35:09 * johnx wants to give speakeasy some money
May 01 19:35:27 <GeneralAntilles> 20/2 with digital cable and phone for $120/mo.
May 01 19:35:58 <GeneralAntilles> evening, qgil.
May 01 19:36:08 <qgil> hi there
May 01 19:36:32 <johnx> hey qgil. thanks :)
May 01 19:36:42 <qgil> Stskeeps lardman|lunch (interesting nick) and co
May 01 19:37:02 <qgil> johnx: that you for your work
May 01 19:38:49 <qgil> anybody here familiar with http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification#PowerVR_MBX ?
May 01 19:39:21 * lbt listens with interest....
May 01 19:39:53 <lcuk> qgil, hiya, it was simon and i that put the page together.
May 01 19:40:06 <lcuk> ive not seen anyone really with knowledge of the actual chip
May 01 19:40:15 <lcuk> but obviously theres people with omap3 experience
May 01 19:40:44 <qgil> I don't know the technical details myself, but apparently there is a problem between MBX (Diablo-OMAP2) and XGL (Fremantle-OMAP3)
May 01 19:41:29 <GeneralAntilles> SGX
May 01 19:41:56 <lcuk> i believe raster has been examing the omap3 version a lot, maybe worth asking in #beagle
May 01 19:42:00 <keesj> ‰kate knew about some of the problems (and those where no only open-source related)
May 01 19:42:36 <qgil> ah yes GeneralAntilles - and I see you talked about this: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-10-10.log.html
May 01 19:43:32 <lbt> are you aware that Kate Alhola has been involved?   http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog
May 01 19:44:21 <GeneralAntilles> qgil, well, we know we can't use Fremantle's OpenGL stuff on OMAP2, but does that  have anything to do with getting OMAP2 drivers?
May 01 19:44:22 <qgil> if the existing driver for OMAP2 is mbx but the fremantle libraries are sgx, then apparently this means the current OMAP2 driver is of little use per se
May 01 19:45:00 <johnx> yeah, unless we get mbx gl es libraries as well
May 01 19:45:16 <johnx> but usually people consider those gl es libraries to be part of the "driver"
May 01 19:45:31 <lcuk> how incompatible is the opengl stuff tho? surely theres a subset that both support well
May 01 19:45:53 <lcuk> #or is this as big a chancge as introducing things like pixelshaders etc
May 01 19:46:05 <johnx> lcuk, it has to do with the fact that the kernel level driver is just acting as a thin hardware interface and most of the work is done in the the gl es library (AFAIK)
May 01 19:46:19 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah,, but world difference between a lib and kernel driver
May 01 19:46:20 <lcuk> but thats the same on both?
May 01 19:46:39 <Stskeeps> in terms of nmaintainabilty
May 01 19:47:02 <qgil> anyway, I just wanted to know whether you were aware of this, now in May I will go for a second round with TI
May 01 19:47:07 <lcuk> qgil, i thought you were on national holiday today
May 01 19:47:12 <qgil> and I am
May 01 19:47:15 <lcuk> heh
May 01 19:47:16 <Stskeeps> lib can be closed src, eulaed, etc, kernel driver not too easily
May 01 19:47:30 <lcuk> drink plenty of beer and keep away from swineflu
May 01 19:47:32 * GeneralAntilles waits for sjgadsby to drag up all of the theme-discussion threads on itT.
May 01 19:48:05 <qgil> actually I just came here because I say Stskeeps 's nic post in the ITt thread
May 01 19:48:23 <qgil> ... and now I vanish back to my long weekend  :)
May 01 19:48:25 <qgil> enjoy!
May 01 19:48:32 <johnx> have fun qgil :)
May 01 19:50:18 <florian> re
May 01 19:59:51 * GeneralAntilles sighs at "Maemo Council".
May 01 20:01:42 <GuySoft> Hey, what do you think about this? i got sugar running on maemo:  http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/nokia-n810-running-olpc-sugar/
May 01 20:01:56 <johnx> that's awesome!
May 01 20:02:02 <johnx> using a chroot? or just compiling packages?
May 01 20:02:16 <StsN800> woo
May 01 20:02:19 <StsN800> we e
May 01 20:02:41 <StsN800> were discussing it on mer the other day
May 01 20:03:05 <GuySoft> chroot.. but it is native on arm.. so its not that slow
May 01 20:03:14 <lcuk> GuySoft, AWESOME!
May 01 20:03:17 <GuySoft> but not totally usable yet..
May 01 20:03:21 <lcuk> :D in no uncertain terms
May 01 20:03:41 <GuySoft> ah hell, i forgot to add in the end you need an external keyboard
May 01 20:03:57 <lcuk> the olpc is already built and designed to be as lightweight and cpu friendly as it can be
May 01 20:04:25 <GuySoft> lcuk, it still needs 256 MB
May 01 20:04:34 <lcuk> heh
May 01 20:05:13 <johnx> even if this is just something fun to play with on current hardware, it will be serious on omap3 based stuff
May 01 20:05:25 <GuySoft> lcuk, and i know that well, i have a pile of B2 laptops around here, they have 128MB and can only run older versions of sugar
May 01 20:05:31 <johnx> how well did the UI scale to fit the screen?
May 01 20:05:40 <keesj> GuySoft: so does mesh networking work?
May 01 20:05:51 <GuySoft> johnx, yes.. OLPC's gui works with svgs.. so thats not a problem :)
May 01 20:06:08 * johnx grins
May 01 20:06:46 <GuySoft> Keesj, it can work in a telepathy/jabber network, but of course you wont get the mesh , in thorey it should work if you can get a network card in.. .but i am not sure how to do that
May 01 20:06:52 * GuySoft has no omap 3 :(
May 01 20:07:21 <dragorn> afaik you'll need to new open drivers that are being worked on in the kernel mainline
May 01 20:07:24 <johnx> there are some interesting omap3 projects. that beagleboard MID to speak of one :)
May 01 20:07:33 <johnx> the touchbook to name another
May 01 20:07:35 <dragorn> s/to/the/
May 01 20:07:36 <infobot> dragorn meant: afaik you'll need the new open drivers that are being worked on in the kernel mainline
May 01 20:08:09 <johnx> GuySoft, neither do I, yet ...
May 01 20:08:27 * GeneralAntilles does, but is too lame to use it.
May 01 20:08:56 <GuySoft> GeneralAntilles, send it over :P
May 01 20:09:12 <johnx> same 128MB of RAM though on his...
May 01 20:09:55 * keesj did get himself a nice case for his beagle at queensday
May 01 20:14:10 <lcuk> keesj, pics
May 01 20:15:45 <GuySoft> what pics?
May 01 20:22:52 <keesj> lcuk: not yet
May 01 20:23:47 <keesj> but can't ever beat this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/51025379@N00/3394387445/ :p
May 01 20:24:37 <johnx> that is made of win in so many ways
May 01 20:25:10 * johnx wants a lego technics beagleboard laptop :D
May 01 20:29:04 <lcuk> johnx, lego makes many things better
May 01 20:29:13 <lcuk> that, and bacon
May 01 20:29:34 <johnx> however, I posit that lego does not make bacon better
May 01 20:29:38 <GeneralAntilles> I miss K'Nex
May 01 20:29:47 <GuySoft> ... i dono.,. with the trees id say its an unstable version
May 01 20:30:09 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I liked those too. the vector version of lego (lego is obviously pixel based)
May 01 20:32:36 <GeneralAntilles> I really don't like the new itT orange.
May 01 20:32:40 <GeneralAntilles> looks like the old maemo.org orange
May 01 20:34:29 * RST38h has no problem with orange
May 01 20:34:37 <RST38h> But the layout is atrocious
May 01 20:35:09 <johnx> RST38h, mainly font sizes?
May 01 20:35:20 <RST38h> johnx: lots of wasted space
May 01 20:35:48 <RST38h> johnx: starting with that right side column taking 1/3 of the page width for god knows what purpose
May 01 20:36:16 <RST38h> johnx: ending with margins and strange insistance on showing each message in its own bubble
May 01 20:36:58 * johnx thinks people should hack up some quick css and install it in their browsers
May 01 20:37:15 <RST38h> johnx: I think this has to be resolved by Reggie
May 01 20:37:22 * Stskeeps pondders if the mbx driver post was constructive - some people might misunderstand " vendor social contract largely inspired by the open attitude by Nokia when dealing with the tablets" as sarcasm
May 01 20:37:39 <RST38h> BTW, the mobile layout schemes are gone so I can't even read ITT from my phone any more =(
May 01 20:37:57 <johnx> RST38h, the tablet format doesn't work right on your phone?
May 01 20:38:27 <RST38h> johnx: I have got a 352x416 display and plain GPRS
May 01 20:38:53 <RST38h> johnx: So, no, none of the current schemes work, realistically
May 01 20:38:59 <johnx> I thought the tablet theme might scale that low. guess not
May 01 20:39:29 <RST38h> johnx: it loads 100kB+ of data to begin with
May 01 20:39:32 <johnx> Stskeeps, good question. I hope most people realize that Nokia is being comparitively open
May 01 20:39:58 <RST38h> johnx: And looks like shit after that =(
May 01 20:40:01 <johnx> RST38h, reminds me of the time I got bored on a train and loaded engadget in opera mini. downloaded ~1MB
May 01 20:40:11 <Stskeeps> just hope qgil didn't read it as sarcasm ;)
May 01 20:40:18 <johnx> probably not
May 01 20:40:36 <johnx> I think it's more likely to be read as sarcasm by the naturally cynical / terminally dissatisfied
May 01 20:40:45 <Stskeeps> hehe
May 01 20:41:28 <johnx> also, dunno if you heard, but we'll have rm_you at the hackfest to work on adv backlight for fremantle and Mer :D
May 01 20:41:48 <Stskeeps> yeah i did, fantastic:)
May 01 20:42:38 <johnx> plus, maybe I can get some help on control panel applets from him :)
May 01 20:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> Bizarre, bizarre itT.
May 01 20:45:26 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder who abused these people in their past that they have such insane trust issues.
May 01 20:45:56 <johnx> Nokia in some cases
May 01 20:46:11 <GeneralAntilles> Which has absolutely nothing to do with maemo.org
May 01 20:46:32 <johnx> I think most still aren't getting the distinction
May 01 20:46:49 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe if I explain it for the dozenth time.
May 01 20:46:50 <johnx> and no, I really don't know how to get that across to them either
May 01 20:47:10 <GeneralAntilles> It's like they willfully ignore everything that's said on the subject.
May 01 20:47:14 <johnx> yes
May 01 20:47:43 <johnx> because they have an opinion, and they're going to speak their mind dag'nabbit (sp?) :)
May 01 20:48:07 <GeneralAntilles> They have a conspiracy theory and they're going to rant and rave about it.
May 01 20:49:32 <johnx> once people have an explanation for something they strongly resist revising it. Witness: bigfoot, ufos, urban legends, superstitions, cargo cult solutions, windows net admins
May 01 20:49:56 <johnx> it's psychology 101 (really, that's where I got it)
May 01 20:50:38 * RST38h thinks GA is overreacting to people who are overreacting
May 01 20:50:57 <Proteous> I'm a windows net admin and I strongly endorse carrying around a small satchel of chicken bones to work your voodoo
May 01 20:50:58 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, after so many months of insanity, it starts to wear thin.
May 01 20:51:07 <GeneralAntilles> Unfortunately, I'm not really in a position to ignore it.
May 01 20:51:21 <johnx> Proteous, no offense meant personally. :) I've just had some bad past experiences ...
May 01 20:51:32 <Proteous> Oh, I totaly agree with you
May 01 20:51:45 <Proteous> being a windows admin requires fucking magic
May 01 20:51:59 <johnx> I think windows breads a certain mystical attitude towards problem solving
May 01 20:52:05 <johnx> s/breads/breeds/
May 01 20:52:07 <infobot> johnx meant: I think windows breeds a certain mystical attitude towards problem solving
May 01 20:52:10 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 01 20:52:12 <Proteous> and all sorts of wierd shit that makes no sense but you just have to belive in it
May 01 20:52:25 <johnx> <- and unix breeds a dependence on tab completion
May 01 20:52:54 <GeneralAntilles> It'd be nice if we could cut down the number of words in the English language to make tab-completion more feasible.
May 01 20:53:17 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, nope, we need longer words that start unambiguously :)
May 01 20:58:05 <johnx> jeez the wimax n810s are going for a lot ...
May 01 20:58:26 <GeneralAntilles> Apparently people like black and orange.
May 01 20:58:40 <johnx> or hold out hope for further wimax deployments
May 01 20:58:47 <GeneralAntilles> goodluckwiththat
May 01 20:58:54 <johnx> yeah
May 01 20:58:56 <GeneralAntilles> Would it even work with non Xohm?
May 01 20:59:09 <johnx> in Europe, probably not
May 01 20:59:23 <johnx> in whatever is the future of the xohm network? probably
May 01 20:59:33 <johnx> did they ever fix the oregon network?
May 01 21:01:10 <elninja__> My n810 seems a little looser on the right side than the left, when the keyboard is slid out... The top/bottom half jiggle a little on the right, but not on the left... Is this normal, or is it a sign that my device was poorly assembled and may have future problems?
May 01 21:01:48 <suihkulokki> people think that wimax is just like wifi (fast and free), but with better coverage
May 01 21:02:00 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 01 21:02:34 <jeremiah_> I still think WiMax will lose to LTE.
May 01 21:02:37 <GeneralAntilles> I hope the RX-51 is better put together than the N810.
May 01 21:03:06 <johnx> jeremiah_, so do I at this point. but I think there might be room for competition with fixed broadband in rural areas
May 01 21:03:42 <jeremiah_> johnx: Yeah, I suppose that might be an excellent way to use it.
May 01 21:03:55 <jeremiah_>  But I have seen so many WiMax projects falter.
May 01 21:03:58 <johnx> clearwire is doing that already with their draft-wimax network
May 01 21:04:15 <elninja__> GeneralAntilles, are you saying things like i noticed are common?
May 01 21:04:20 <jeremiah_> Here in 'telecom alley', they abandoned WiMax a while ago.
May 01 21:04:22 <johnx> it's only compatible with their own branded wimax adapters though AFAIK
May 01 21:04:30 <GeneralAntilles> elninja__, no, just an idle observation.
May 01 21:05:01 <elninja__> ah
May 01 21:05:18 <jeremiah_> johnx: That is total FAIL - they have to support off the shelf stuff to succeed.
May 01 21:05:50 <jeremiah_> elninja__: I think my N810 is pretty well engineered frankly. I surprised to hear you are having problems.
May 01 21:05:51 <johnx> jeremiah_, I dunno. if they're replacing/competing with DSL/cable service people kind of expect a "rent the modem" scenario
May 01 21:05:52 * Jaffa wonders about checking ITT/talk again before bed.
May 01 21:05:54 <suihkulokki> yeah, wimax (or rather, the fixed point variant of it) will be usefull for rural broadband
May 01 21:06:04 <suihkulokki> but only when you put a wimax antenna on your roof
May 01 21:06:08 <Jaffa> It's only going to depress me, isn't it (but Stskeeps' post talk intrigues me)
May 01 21:06:13 <jeremiah_> johnx: True, that is definitely true.
May 01 21:06:42 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, I wasn't able to spot Stskeeps' post, just go to bed and save the depression.
May 01 21:06:43 <johnx> but yeah, they really need to get their network updated to the real wimax/mobile wimax standard
May 01 21:06:57 * jeremiah_ Runs to read Stskeeps' talk post.
May 01 21:07:03 <johnx> I just think they are seeing a lot of cost and no immediate benefit
May 01 21:07:51 <Jaffa> Wonderfully constructive new poll "Should talk.maemo.org create and support a dark theme like the original ITT?".
May 01 21:08:17 <lcuk> #my only problem with themes is having to be logged in
May 01 21:10:42 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: Yeah - I can't find Stskeeps' post either, URL?
May 01 21:11:48 * GeneralAntilles is starving to death.
May 01 21:12:46 <johnx> the one on cost of enabling the MBX?
May 01 21:12:49 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=283003#post283003
May 01 21:12:56 <luke-jr_> http://dashjr.org/maps/wifi/
May 01 21:14:52 * Jaffa wonders if SD69 is particularly pissed off as he's not been invited to be a mod.
May 01 21:15:46 <elninja__> jeremiah_, well, I haven't had problems yet. I've only had it 1 day so far, but I noticed that it feels more fragile than I was expecting from new unit.(especially with the sliding mechanism) so far I am really interested in what I can do with the device once I get some time to play with the SDK. I've been burned in the past with devices that failed due to manufacturing defects, and don't want to do something that may void my warr
May 01 21:15:46 <elninja__> anty when I may need to use it.
May 01 21:16:01 <Jaffa> Ah, yeah - I saw Stskeeps' post on Weds. Good post indeed, Stskeeps++
May 01 21:16:39 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, either way, I sure aint inviting him. ;)
May 01 21:16:50 * Jaffa also wonders if qgil moderating the thread is going to help matters ;-)
May 01 21:17:04 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps++
May 01 21:17:17 <lcuk> click the thanks button in itt lol
May 01 21:17:27 <lcuk> we havent incorporated irc thanks yet ;)
May 01 21:17:31 <Jaffa> Indeed
May 01 21:17:43 <jeremiah_> elninja__: Yeah, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the quality and the usefulness of the device. :) At least I was and I hope you are too.
May 01 21:18:22 <GeneralAntilles> ~Stskeeps++
May 01 21:18:27 <lcuk> heh
May 01 21:18:32 <GeneralAntilles> ~karma Stskeeps
May 01 21:18:32 <infobot> stskeeps has karma of 1
May 01 21:18:51 <lcuk> would anyone apart from you remember to put the ~ before
May 01 21:18:54 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps++
May 01 21:18:56 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps++
May 01 21:18:59 <GeneralAntilles> ~karma Stskeeps
May 01 21:19:00 <infobot> stskeeps has karma of 1
May 01 21:19:02 <GeneralAntilles> ~Stskeeps++
May 01 21:19:04 <GeneralAntilles> ~karma Stskeeps
May 01 21:19:08 <jeremiah_> Must.increase.his.karma
May 01 21:19:13 <GeneralAntilles> ~karma Stskeeps
May 01 21:19:14 <infobot> stskeeps has karma of 2
May 01 21:19:21 <jeremiah_> ~jeremiah
May 01 21:19:27 <jeremiah_> ~jeremiah karma
May 01 21:19:31 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 01 21:19:35 <jeremiah_> I hate you infobot
May 01 21:19:38 * GeneralAntilles slaps jeremiah_ with the bot manual.
May 01 21:19:42 <jeremiah_> Ouch!
May 01 21:19:46 <jeremiah_> :=)
May 01 21:19:48 <GeneralAntilles> andre__!
May 01 21:20:05 <elninja__> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17026 <-- cool. I guess this is normal... should have googled it earlier
May 01 21:20:51 <lcuk> so 4 people agree and its "normal"
May 01 21:20:55 <lcuk> do you have a clue?
May 01 21:20:58 <GeneralAntilles> We need mods who can split threads.
May 01 21:21:45 <elninja__> lcuk, please enlighten me
May 01 21:22:15 <luke-jr_> ugh
May 01 21:22:19 * luke-jr_ boycotts ITT
May 01 21:22:24 <lcuk> well so far a few people in the world have swine flu, the way the media is reporting its as if we all have it
May 01 21:22:29 <lcuk> thats like your observation
May 01 21:24:35 <luke-jr_> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot42.png
May 01 21:25:18 <Jaffa> lcuk: Obviously one or more of those people may have accounts on ITT, so I reckon swine flu is an attempt by the maemo.org overlords (am I one?) to take over ITT
May 01 21:25:54 <lbt> who does irc karma?
May 01 21:26:10 * Jaffa considers starting a poll "Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after all the inane whining, rather than constructive action, over the change in theme?" - but that's probably not going to help
May 01 21:26:39 * lbt wonders if #mer is part of the maemo community ;)
May 01 21:26:49 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: Probably not -- but everyone involved should know they did a good job.
May 01 21:26:52 <elninja__> lcuk, I came in here to ask if anyone else had experienced this. I was hoping somebody would have some info. I googled it, and on the first page were several mentions of this problem. that thread was one of them where 4 out of 4 of the posts noticed this same quirk on their device. my statement about how I should have googled it was because I can found more info on it there than I did here.
May 01 21:26:58 <jeremiah_> I think th new site looks good.
May 01 21:26:59 <lcuk> #mer is the technical part of the community at this point :)
May 01 21:27:06 * lbt agreees with Jaffa and is put of iTT by the bickering...
May 01 21:27:17 <lcuk> im put off by the brightness
May 01 21:27:21 <Jaffa> ~jeremiah_++
May 01 21:27:24 <lcuk> and lack of focus
May 01 21:27:29 <Jaffa> s/focus/bacon/
May 01 21:27:34 <qwerty12_N800> sjgadsby would be an awesme itT mod IMHO
May 01 21:27:45 <lcuk> heh
May 01 21:27:45 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: seen his twitter status?
May 01 21:27:50 <qwerty12_N800> *awesome
May 01 21:27:55 <qwerty12_N800> Jaffa: nope :)
May 01 21:28:22 <lcuk> elninja__, ive got 2 n810s here and the slide out drawer acts just the same as it does on both and as on my slider phones and on my kitchen drawers
May 01 21:28:22 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: http://twitter.com/sjgadsby/status/1672748359
May 01 21:28:36 <lbt> elninja__: actually your sample is such that all you've identified is that you're not alone... OTOH, given the quick response that means it's likely a design feature .... don't worry but keep an eye on it
May 01 21:28:55 <luke-jr_> Jaffa: put the poll somewhere off ITT, so those of us who don't go to ITT can vote
May 01 21:29:24 <lbt> my keyboard is absolutely rock solid though
May 01 21:29:29 <Jaffa> luke-jr_: The only obvious place is maemo.org, but that'd just feed the conspiracy
May 01 21:29:34 <jeremiah_> Ooh, ooh, I wanna follow andre__ on Twitter!
May 01 21:29:36 <lcuk> if i knew how to make a poll i would make a poll asking people what poll they want to post in
May 01 21:29:40 <jeremiah_> What is his handle?
May 01 21:29:48 <qwerty12_N800> Jaffa: lol, thanks for the link...
May 01 21:29:52 * Jaffa is now, honestly, looking forward to 2 weeks camping and avoiding all this stupidity.
May 01 21:29:58 <luke-jr_> heh
May 01 21:30:01 <jeremiah_> lcuk: Face it, you would ask about liqbase. :)
May 01 21:30:02 <lcuk> where u camping jaffa
May 01 21:30:06 <johnx> lcuk, I liked the "Do you vote in polls?" poll. I think "No" won ...
May 01 21:30:15 <luke-jr_> well, maybe someone should have checked that the design actually works before deploying it
May 01 21:30:19 <lcuk> jeremiah_, not at all i do that enough face to face :)
May 01 21:30:25 <Jaffa> lcuk: Normandy (well, camping ~= static Eurocamp caravan)
May 01 21:30:32 <luke-jr_> Jaffa: maemo.org is somewhat broken too
May 01 21:30:33 <johnx> luke-jr_, fine. I'll bite: What doesn't it work on?
May 01 21:31:00 <luke-jr_> johnx: the top-menu thing is screwed up across both sites
May 01 21:31:07 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: Cool! You're in France? Vive la France!
May 01 21:31:08 <luke-jr_> for ITT, the actual posts are on like page 3
May 01 21:31:15 <luke-jr_> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot42.png
May 01 21:31:19 <johnx> luke-jr_, did you submit a bug report?
May 01 21:31:28 <luke-jr_> johnx: nope
May 01 21:31:38 <GeneralAntilles> Yeesh, broken browser.
May 01 21:31:47 <johnx> luke-jr_, why?
May 01 21:31:47 <luke-jr_> GeneralAntilles: most standards-compliant browser on the market
May 01 21:32:13 <lcuk> shame the websites dont follow standards
May 01 21:32:15 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: Oui, je peut parle un petit peu de francais, mais "mon fils as une allegee aux oeufs et aux lait" est difficile
May 01 21:32:21 <johnx> is that arora?
May 01 21:32:26 <luke-jr_> johnx: Konqueror
May 01 21:32:54 <lcuk> i get to see my finger tomorrow :O
May 01 21:33:18 <GeneralAntilles> It's going to have turned into a butterfly.
May 01 21:33:25 <luke-jr_> LOL
May 01 21:33:33 <lcuk> im hoping for a stylus tip tbh
May 01 21:33:55 <lcuk> its gonna hurt like a bitch when they take stitches out :'(
May 01 21:34:18 <Jaffa> lcuk: heh
May 01 21:35:04 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, pic or it didn't happen.
May 01 21:35:10 <johnx> luke-jr_, is there a reason you came to IRC to complain instead of filing a bug report?
May 01 21:35:21 <luke-jr_> johnx: IRC was open
May 01 21:35:23 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg
May 01 21:35:29 <lcuk> thats the worksafe one :)
May 01 21:35:33 <lcuk> i have the actual photos
May 01 21:35:52 <lcuk> and im taking camera tomorrow :$
May 01 21:35:57 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: Merde!
May 01 21:36:20 <jeremiah_> But I think allegee means "frozen underpants"
May 01 21:36:21 <lcuk> johnx, its 10000000000% easier moaning in irc, we know that already
May 01 21:36:25 <jeremiah_> I could be mistaken.
May 01 21:36:46 <jeremiah_> Still, if you don't like eggs and milk, you're SOL in France.
May 01 21:37:20 <GeneralAntilles> I want to work on Bugzilla. :(
May 01 21:37:32 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: true (on all counts, I *think* allergée is correct; but will check ;-))
May 01 21:37:39 * Jaffa will, fortunately, only have to speak & listen.
May 01 21:37:49 <Jaffa> "Grande biere, s'il vous plait" :-)
May 01 21:37:59 <Jaffa> "Une bouteille du vin rouge"
May 01 21:38:00 <lcuk> even i understand that :D
May 01 21:38:19 * lcuk normally needs translations into northern
May 01 21:38:55 <Jaffa> "Bottl' of best, Betty"
May 01 21:38:59 <Jaffa> "...and a pie"
May 01 21:39:57 <lcuk> no bacon?
May 01 21:40:04 <Jaffa> Chicken and bacon pie ;-)
May 01 21:40:11 <luke-jr_> johnx: didn't expect an actual answer? :p
May 01 21:40:18 <jeremiah_> Merci a vous Madame.
May 01 21:40:27 <jeremiah_> Ceci delicieux.
May 01 21:40:42 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: tres bien
May 01 21:40:48 <johnx> luke-jr_, so out of curiosity, what does konqueror get on the acid test these days?
May 01 21:40:49 <jeremiah_> C'est quai? Une chien?
May 01 21:40:52 <jeremiah_> MERDE!
May 01 21:41:00 <GeneralAntilles> You crazy people want #maemo-fr. :P
May 01 21:41:14 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: all your French seems to conclude with swear words ;-)
May 01 21:41:22 <luke-jr_> johnx: the highest score
May 01 21:41:43 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: Well, you know, they are the easiest to learn. =)
May 01 21:41:47 <johnx> luke-jr_, webkit gets 100/100. Are you saying konqueror gets higher? :P
May 01 21:41:47 <luke-jr_> Firefox 3.0.10: 71/100
May 01 21:41:55 <luke-jr_> Konqueror 4.2.2: 87/100
May 01 21:42:08 <luke-jr_> Opera 9.64: 85/100
May 01 21:42:14 <luke-jr_> Safari 3.2.2: 75/100
May 01 21:42:24 <luke-jr_> johnx: Scm versions don't count ;)
May 01 21:42:36 <johnx> luke-jr_, even if they're part of a released browser?
May 01 21:42:37 <luke-jr_> I don't use scm KDE
May 01 21:42:44 <luke-jr_> johnx: what released browser?
May 01 21:42:50 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: c'est vrai
May 01 21:42:54 <luke-jr_> Wikipedia has Safari 3.2.2 as latest Webkit
May 01 21:43:00 <luke-jr_> oh, sorry
May 01 21:43:05 <luke-jr_> Chrome 1.0: 79/100
May 01 21:43:22 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: Google says "allergique" FWIW
May 01 21:44:47 <johnx> luke-jr_, heh. just watched tear on my n800 get 96/100
May 01 21:44:55 <luke-jr_> wtf is tear
May 01 21:45:06 <johnx> let me send you a link to the thread on itt
May 01 21:45:16 <luke-jr_> johnx: I won't read it if it's on ITT
May 01 21:45:26 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: I suspected alergee was a bit of Franglais. :)
May 01 21:45:30 <johnx> try a working browser that's standards compliant like arora
May 01 21:45:41 <johnx> or file a bug report
May 01 21:45:49 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28539&highlight=tear
May 01 21:45:54 <luke-jr_> johnx: ah, so ITT is officially only supported in non-released browsers?
May 01 21:46:06 <jeremiah_> Yeah, try a working browser like friggin' pork-sandwich.
May 01 21:46:28 <Jaffa> luke-jr_: Don't be dramatic; it works in firefox - there's obviously a glitch. It's hardly personal ;-)
May 01 21:46:38 <luke-jr_> Firefox sucks ;)
May 01 21:46:59 <jeremiah_> The Interwebs hate me.
May 01 21:47:02 <Jaffa> At a first glance, my opinion of Konqueror's not much better ;-)
May 01 21:47:09 <jeremiah_> That I know for sure.
May 01 21:47:17 <GeneralAntilles> jeremiah_, >:|
May 01 21:47:17 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: They're powered by computers, right? They all hate me.
May 01 21:47:34 <jeremiah_> GeneralAntilles: Uh oh.
May 01 21:47:53 <GeneralAntilles> Technology is the worst.
May 01 21:47:57 <jeremiah_> Is that emoticon meant to mean; "I am very disappointed in you."?
May 01 21:48:03 <johnx> luke-jr_, it works on basically *every* other browser besides konqueror. what is the most likely explanation here?
May 01 21:48:16 <luke-jr_> every other browser has a bug that it abuses? ;)
May 01 21:48:30 <luke-jr_> or it has a bug that every other browser fails to expose
May 01 21:48:31 <GeneralAntilles> jeremiah_, that's the internets hating you. :P
May 01 21:48:35 <johnx> luke-jr_, I'm ignoring you now
May 01 21:48:46 <luke-jr_> the latter case is pretty common, actually
May 01 21:49:02 <jeremiah_> GeneralAntilles: Phew! I thought you were mad at me.
May 01 21:49:18 <luke-jr_> johnx: most other browsers do undefined behaviour the same
May 01 21:49:31 <luke-jr_> Konqueror doesn't define undefined behaviour
May 01 21:50:00 <johnx> luke-jr_, why don't you *file a bug*
May 01 21:50:29 <luke-jr_> johnx: maybe I will
May 01 21:50:32 <luke-jr_> at least bugs.maemo.org works
May 01 21:50:44 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, things should work or they should be fixed by telepathy, duh.
May 01 21:53:26 <luke-jr_> GeneralAntilles: is there an update to telepathy fixing that Jabber bug?
May 01 21:59:55 <GeneralAntilles> Seems like the reason most people hate orange is because they've got crappy LCDs.
May 01 22:01:16 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, so the answer is to send out new LCDs with the theme :)
May 01 22:01:28 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I'm totally into Nokia paying for that.
May 01 22:01:34 <luke-jr_> lol
May 01 22:01:35 <GeneralAntilles> IPS, please!
May 01 22:01:50 <johnx> not at the expense of sending people to hackfests/summits :P
May 01 22:02:04 <johnx> or sending people development machines O_o;
May 01 22:02:10 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I was thinking at the expense of S60, personally.
May 01 22:02:21 <johnx> ok, works for me
May 01 22:04:29 <GeneralAntilles> I'm kinda excited about the N97, now.
May 01 22:04:44 <GeneralAntilles> Assuming the low-end processor brings a lower price tag
May 01 22:04:55 <johnx> heh
May 01 22:04:56 <Stskeeps> why all the highlights? :P
May 01 22:05:23 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps
May 01 22:05:29 <luke-jr_> Stskeeps: are you highlighting on "I"?
May 01 22:05:40 <svu> does anyone know how to get the location (supplied by carman) from jabber?
May 01 22:05:41 <johnx> Stskeeps, that's what happens when you say something people agree with.
May 01 22:05:57 <luke-jr_> svu: eh?
May 01 22:06:00 <Stskeeps> luke-jr_: no, stskeeps or sts
May 01 22:06:20 <gnuton> Hi there!
May 01 22:06:51 <svu> luke-jr_, carman is using my jabber account. I presume it is able to share my location, isn't it? So I would love to know how to use that feature
May 01 22:07:30 <luke-jr_> svu: I wouldn't assume that XD
May 01 22:08:51 <svu> luke-jr_, what is XD?
May 01 22:08:54 <luke-jr_> …
May 01 22:09:20 <GeneralAntilles> svu, memory card format. ;)
May 01 22:09:40 <luke-jr_> sigh
May 01 22:09:41 <svu> brrr. I am lost
May 01 22:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> svu, first definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XD
May 01 22:10:20 <svu> what does my question about carman have to do with card format?
May 01 22:10:55 <luke-jr_> nothing
May 01 22:11:02 <svu> oops, I am just slow. It was just a smile, I guess:)
May 01 22:11:33 <svu> well, anyway, what exactly carman is doing in jabber. other than logging in?
May 01 22:12:01 <GeneralAntilles> svu, maybe try #canola
May 01 22:12:06 <GeneralAntilles> Although they're probably idle at the moment.
May 01 22:12:13 <svu> why not....
May 01 22:12:15 <GeneralAntilles> Or there's the Carman mailing list.
May 01 22:12:57 <luke-jr_> svu: do you REALLY want the world to know where you are constantly?
May 01 22:12:59 <GeneralAntilles> http://carman.garage.maemo.org/
May 01 22:13:23 <svu> luke-jr_, well, my friends can have that info. why not?
May 01 22:13:37 <svu> (when I gps on, of course)
May 01 22:14:13 <svu> and when I am late, that is a good alibi for my wife:))
May 01 22:14:56 <luke-jr_> i c
May 01 22:15:22 * svu just invented that kind of usage. really cool feature imho!
May 01 22:16:16 <luke-jr_> patent it?
May 01 22:16:29 <svu> sure
May 01 22:16:34 <luke-jr_> aww
May 01 22:16:37 <luke-jr_> can I have a license plz?
May 01 22:16:48 <svu> we'll negotiate it later:)
May 01 22:16:51 <luke-jr_> :/
May 01 22:34:10 <paul0> how do i find out which mobile phones i can use as modem for N800?
May 01 22:34:35 <GeneralAntilles> Basically anything that reasonably supports DUN.
May 01 22:35:47 <johnx> list here, but it's far from complete: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_network_enabled_cell_phones
May 01 22:35:55 <johnx> also, it might vary by carrier for branded phones
May 01 22:36:35 <paul0> thanks :)
May 01 22:36:48 <paul0> i've found the Samsung Zv30, which has bluetooth and support 3G
May 01 22:37:11 <johnx> if it can tether to anything else, chances are good it can tether to the n8x0
May 01 22:38:44 <paul0> hm..
May 01 22:40:57 <paul0> anyway, 3G is quite expensive here, maybe i'll just get some GPRS enabled mobile
May 01 22:55:54 <Jaffa> paul0: here == ?
May 01 22:56:41 <paul0> Jaffa, yes
May 01 22:57:39 <paul0> oh
May 01 22:57:43 <paul0> Jaffa, here == Brazil
May 01 22:59:13 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr_, you're kidding, right?
May 01 22:59:25 <luke-jr_> GeneralAntilles: ?
May 01 22:59:33 <GeneralAntilles> That's not a bug report, that's a joke.
May 01 22:59:46 <GeneralAntilles> You expect whoever you want to fix this for you to just guess what browser you're using?
May 01 23:00:03 <luke-jr_> it's on the stupid titlebar
May 01 23:00:17 <GeneralAntilles> It's really not.
May 01 23:00:44 <luke-jr_> wtf
May 01 23:00:49 <luke-jr_> it was for me :/
May 01 23:00:57 <luke-jr_> weird
May 01 23:01:08 <Jaffa> paul0: Ah, OK :) The specific place might have people here who could help :)
May 01 23:01:17 <luke-jr_> mayeb I need to report a bug for KSnapshot too
May 01 23:01:21 <luke-jr_> but how the heck did it do that? :/
May 01 23:01:45 <johnx> you also need to actually provide a description of the problem, and a proper title
May 01 23:02:05 <Jaffa> And if the bug report for KSnapshot's buggered, you'll have to report a bug against your browser... and that way recursive madness will lie ;-)
May 01 23:02:26 <luke-jr_> XD
May 01 23:02:28 <johnx> luke-jr_, seriously, this is the perfect way to make sure your bug isn't given any attention
May 01 23:03:52 <luke-jr_> hum
May 01 23:04:08 <luke-jr_> I can reproduce one minor part of the bug in Firefox 3.1 ;)
May 01 23:05:21 <luke-jr_> FWIW, Marble is not usable for driving
May 01 23:11:56 <GAN800> Awesome, more Nokia conspiracies
May 01 23:17:03 <Jaffa> Yup.
May 01 23:17:36 <johnx> I'd like to hear Nokia's conspiracy theories about the community for once. It's the side of the story that's never examined
May 01 23:17:56 <Jaffa> heh
May 01 23:18:18 <Jaffa> Sit in one of the "let's just ship a bug fix containing this patch we got from the community" meetings.
May 01 23:18:21 <GeneralAntilles> Damn, how the hell do I hg clone MXR/
May 01 23:18:23 <Jaffa> Bound to be loads of them ;-)
May 01 23:21:14 <lcuk> if the patch is for a codebase the nokian engineers know and can verify i really dont see it as a problem
May 01 23:21:39 <Jaffa> lcuk: That's because you're part of the conspiracy, dude!
May 01 23:21:45 <lcuk> lol
May 01 23:22:26 <Jaffa> Bloody maemo.org/midgard falls over when you ask for the last page (599 according to the page) of the profile list.
May 01 23:33:35 * Jaffa beds as the firestorm on ITT settles down (go Reggie!)
May 01 23:33:45 <Jaffa> [shock: it wasn't a conspiracy]
May 01 23:37:56 <roope> The new theme is a lot nicer than the old one. Blah for the bickering. :)
May 01 23:38:27 <roope> People just hate change in general.
May 01 23:39:03 <lcuk> roope, it was less the colors and more the meta info gettin in the way - thats been tweaked now and i can invert my eyes and cope ;)
May 01 23:42:06 <GeneralAntilles> roope, hey, if they hate this, it's looking like they'll end up loving Maemo 5. ;)
May 01 23:42:35 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, so, will we have another maemo.org color change to match maemo 5? :D
May 01 23:42:46 <GeneralAntilles> I sure as hell hope not.
May 01 23:42:48 <roope> Maemo 5 will be invisible.
May 01 23:42:53 <GeneralAntilles> This one was painful enough.
May 01 23:42:59 <GeneralAntilles> roope, ah, going after the blind market? ;)
May 01 23:43:10 <roope> With a huge d-pad.
May 01 23:43:14 <johnx> hopefully now we can keep the same layout and people can make themes
May 01 23:43:22 <GeneralAntilles> I'd love to see that braille ebook reader.
May 01 23:43:29 <johnx> I'd love to see a decent d-pad
May 01 23:44:04 <luke-jr_> roope: the new theme is broken
May 01 23:44:26 <roope> Well, making it darker won't fix anything.
May 01 23:44:37 <GeneralAntilles> roope, his browser doesn't like it, apparently.
May 01 23:45:10 <johnx> luke-jr_, how's that bug coming along?
May 01 23:49:15 <GeneralAntilles> Who the hell thinks Wikipedia is hard to navigate? :\
May 01 23:58:38 <Proteous> who navigates on wikipedia?
May 01 23:58:48 <Proteous> I just go to a page from google
May 01 23:58:59 <Proteous> google is my wiki guide
May 02 00:06:25 <sp3000> I wish wikipedia was hard to navigate
May 02 00:06:45 <sp3000> as it is it's all a huge slippery slope into a gaping timesink
May 02 00:07:07 <sp3000> where you wake up on the other side several hours later
May 02 00:07:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 02 00:07:34 <lcuk> when i download the source with apt so i can work on it, where is the most common location to put it
May 02 00:07:45 <lcuk> is there a general convention
May 02 00:07:48 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, ever played 5 Degrees of Jesus? :P
May 02 00:07:57 <sp3000> don't think so
May 02 00:08:27 <GeneralAntilles> Start with Special:Random then try to get to the article on Jesus in five clicks or less.
May 02 00:08:30 <johnx> lcuk, if you apt-get source foo, then it ends up in ./
May 02 00:09:35 <lcuk> yeah johnx, but do ppl use a logical set of folders or just randomly drop source everywhere
May 02 00:09:45 <sp3000> oh, darn, I can't start at jesus and thry to find my way to teletubbies in five steps or less? :)
May 02 00:09:56 <johnx> I tend to keep a projects/mer/working directory
May 02 00:10:01 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, that sounds impossible.
May 02 00:10:11 <GeneralAntilles> But I'd sure like to see it. :P
May 02 00:10:27 <lcuk>  /projects or ~/projects?
May 02 00:10:32 <johnx> ~/projects
May 02 00:10:55 <johnx> I used to have really elaborate organization in ~/ :)
May 02 00:10:56 <lcuk> like i have an ~/svn on most machines then
May 02 00:11:12 <lcuk> even tho i use git now
May 02 00:11:17 <johnx> that makes sense. also, remember the power of symlinks :)
May 02 00:11:33 <lcuk> yeah im just thinking about something
May 02 00:11:48 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, ping?
May 02 00:11:53 <GeneralAntilles> Or sp3000.
May 02 00:11:57 <lcuk> i want to build and run liqbase on all machines as i make changes
May 02 00:12:24 <lcuk> im thinking about running a net deamon to listen to the git commits
May 02 00:12:31 <lcuk> and pull down and build/run :)
May 02 00:12:50 <lcuk> the daemon might itself be a liqbase module ;)
May 02 00:13:07 <sp3000> well, I got to vermin; not quite teletubbies, but, ...eh
May 02 00:13:22 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, how do I hg clone MXR?
May 02 00:15:28 <sp3000> I'm not too sure where the various versions might live
May 02 00:15:54 <sp3000> timeless knows of course, he'll probably be available in 19 hours or so
May 02 00:16:14 <GeneralAntilles> OK
May 02 00:16:38 <GeneralAntilles> Now if andre__ would just get me the testzilla. . . . :P
May 02 00:17:47 <sp3000> http://hg.mozilla.org/webtools/mxr/ would be one answer I bet
May 02 00:18:12 <GeneralAntilles> I need the Maemo one though for the Maemo layout.
May 02 00:21:34 <Proteous> the snauseberries taste like snauseberries
May 02 00:23:46 <GeneralAntilles> Snozzberries? Who ever heard of a snozzberry?
May 02 00:30:46 <Xamusk> is there some way to watch flash videos not from youtube?
May 02 00:30:54 <Xamusk> with good performance?
May 02 00:34:14 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, most of them are way too heavy.
May 02 00:35:02 <Xamusk> GeneralAntilles, I just find it interesting that specialized youtube players can play them much better
May 02 00:35:23 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, Flash on Linux is awful. Flash on Linux ARM is worse.
May 02 00:35:26 <sp3000> GeneralAntilles: ok, Akimbo (disambiguation) > Akimbo (band) > Seattle,_Washington > Seattle_University > Society_of_Jesus > Jesus
May 02 00:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, nice.
May 02 00:36:00 <Xamusk> GeneralAntilles, indeed :(
May 02 00:36:29 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, maybe there's hope with HTML 5, maybe once Adobe ships official Linux ARM support. I don't know.
May 02 00:37:12 <Xamusk> GeneralAntilles, I don't know, since flash eats a lot of the cpu even in full-blown laptops
May 02 00:37:37 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, Flash is pretty bad on Windows and just gets worse anywhere else.
May 02 00:37:53 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer can do FLVs pretty well, but you gotta feed 'em to it somehow.
May 02 00:38:54 <Xamusk> GeneralAntilles, actually, I couldn't play an flv I had downloaded in maemo's mplayer, even though it plays fine in my laptop
May 02 00:39:10 <boomre> someone have a good link about color swatch theme and all different colors for ui theme?
May 02 00:39:16 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, there was an FLV bug in one of the mplayer versions, I think.
May 02 00:39:39 <Xamusk> GeneralAntilles, well, I just downloaded mine from the repo today
May 02 00:39:58 <GeneralAntilles> It hasn't been updated in a while, so maybe there still is.
May 02 00:40:02 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure.
May 02 00:40:07 <Xamusk> ok
May 02 00:40:14 <Xamusk> for now I'm converting everything :(
May 02 00:40:39 <Xamusk> so I have to download in the laptop, convert, transfer and only then play :( which is pretty awful
May 02 00:41:10 <boomre> any idea where i can get more info about every part in this chart
May 02 00:41:12 <boomre> http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6154/55528692.png
May 02 00:41:39 <boomre> iam a french so i have difficult to understand every color vs every result in maemo
May 02 00:41:51 <GeneralAntilles> boomre, maybe the ThemeMaker documentation?
May 02 00:42:00 <boomre> i try to find a good link for complete info about this  sheme
May 02 00:42:00 <GeneralAntilles> http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/
May 02 00:42:13 <boomre> no i dont find it
May 02 00:42:49 <boomre> the point is i cant figure out what colors is for what cause iam french so its hard to me
May 02 00:42:57 <boomre> just whit name is too hard
May 02 00:43:17 <boomre> so i wanna find something where all color/parts is more explained
May 02 00:43:34 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know of anything off-hand.
May 02 00:44:06 <Xamusk> how do I unmount the sd cards?
May 02 00:44:21 <GeneralAntilles> Open up the doors
May 02 00:44:28 <GeneralAntilles> Which works unless they're in-use.
May 02 00:44:37 <boomre> + because nothing is here for more explain i need to built a little  pictured tutorial for explain all part
May 02 00:45:07 <boomre> whit picture of a scrennshot of every part
May 02 00:45:11 <boomre> in the context
May 02 00:45:13 <boomre> anyway
May 02 00:45:16 <boomre> tx general
May 02 00:45:21 <boomre> always good help for you
May 02 00:45:22 <Xamusk> doors?
May 02 00:45:26 <boomre> i know you are a master
May 02 00:45:31 <boomre> woot
May 02 00:45:41 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, um, the card covers.
May 02 00:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> They've got little magnets that tell the OS when they're open.
May 02 00:46:25 <Xamusk> GeneralAntilles, this is quite unusual, specially for the external one
May 02 00:47:03 <GeneralAntilles> Xamusk, assuming that the filesystem isn't actively in use it will attempt to unmount it when you open the cover.
May 02 00:47:08 <GeneralAntilles> and warn you if it fails.
May 02 00:47:13 <Xamusk> cool
May 02 01:52:53 <AndrewFBlack> Hello
May 02 01:55:04 * AndrewFBlack bangs head on the wall
May 02 01:56:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, I put mine through it earlier today. :P
May 02 01:57:10 <AndrewFBlack> I just don't understand this whole theme thing
May 02 01:57:35 <GeneralAntilles> Apparently there's a conspiracy involved somehow.
May 02 01:57:41 <GeneralAntilles> Would you like to join? :P
May 02 01:58:51 <AndrewFBlack> Don't think they will take me on there side I'm getting attacked for changing Minmalist theme now lol
May 02 01:59:32 <GeneralAntilles> Join the conspirators and do evil, then. ;)
May 02 01:59:57 <AndrewFBlack> You would think I picked the colors my self by the way some are acting
May 02 02:00:34 <GeneralAntilles> Honestly I'd do an inverted scheme if it's not a ton of effort.
May 02 02:00:58 <AndrewFBlack> So GeneralAntilles now that new site is out time for file hosting on maemo.org
May 02 02:01:22 <AndrewFBlack> GeneralAntilles a striaght inverted colors on bottom I could do in 30 minutes
May 02 02:01:24 <GeneralAntilles> Probably, I think there's actually a Midgard module that may be able to help.
May 02 02:02:05 <GeneralAntilles> If you have any particularly concrete ideas about how it should operate and the free time a wiki task would be great.
May 02 02:02:15 <GeneralAntilles> If not, I think I can hash something together this week.
May 02 02:02:27 <AndrewFBlack> where to put it in the wiki?
May 02 02:02:50 <GeneralAntilles> Task:File_hosting_on_maemo.org would be good.
May 02 02:02:55 <AndrewFBlack> thats my problem with wikis I never know where to put the stuff lol
May 02 02:03:02 <GeneralAntilles> Stick {{task|proposed}} at the top.
May 02 02:03:17 <GeneralAntilles> Then just write up a simple outline for what you'd like to see and we can start figuring it out.
May 02 02:03:29 <AndrewFBlack> ok
May 02 02:03:41 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe put some use-cases that it'd fulfill, too.
May 02 02:04:03 <AndrewFBlack> I think I might make a garage project for minimalist theme to keep track of bugs and such in it
May 02 02:04:45 <GeneralAntilles> If you want to file Minimalist bugs in Talk on b.m.o that'd be fine.
May 02 02:04:51 <GeneralAntilles> SVN sounds good, though.
May 02 02:28:29 <AndrewFBlack> ok I got a little something up
May 02 02:32:14 <AndrewFBlack> found a bug in theme wish I wasn't to lazy to go post it lol
May 02 02:32:35 <GeneralAntilles> AndrewFBlack, awesome, thanks. I'll try to flesh it out and advertise it a bit next week.
May 02 02:32:51 <AndrewFBlack> thanks
May 02 02:33:58 <Macer> hello
May 02 02:34:02 <Macer> watching serenity
May 02 02:34:12 <Macer> good movie but could have been better
May 02 02:34:48 <GeneralAntilles> Love that movie.
May 02 02:35:00 <Macer> yeah .. the show was good
May 02 02:35:30 <Macer> too bad they cancelled it after a few episodes
May 02 02:35:58 <AndrewFBlack> it mad  full season didn't like liek 12
May 02 02:36:19 <Macer> huh?
May 02 02:36:33 <AndrewFBlack> like 12 episodes
May 02 02:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> Not enough
May 02 02:36:41 <locutus> to many
May 02 02:36:50 <Macer> thought it was like 15
May 02 02:36:54 <Macer> and the movie
May 02 02:36:58 <locutus> TO MANY
May 02 02:37:02 <locutus> :-(
May 02 02:37:10 <GeneralAntilles> locutus, Go to many?
May 02 02:37:27 <b-man> lol
May 02 02:37:28 <locutus> GeneralAntilles: i did not like Firefly ;-)
May 02 02:37:55 <locutus> (I'M NOT A BITTER SCIFI GROGNARD, NO SIR)
May 02 02:38:18 <b-man> XD
May 02 02:38:21 <GeneralAntilles> s/to/too/
May 02 02:38:21 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: locutus, Go too many?
May 02 02:38:46 <AndrewFBlack> I can't beleave I lost my micro sd card
May 02 02:38:57 <locutus> infobot: huh what?
May 02 02:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 02 02:39:43 <b-man> hahahahaha
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