**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:24:15 2009 May 09 06:24:48 Stskeeps: ! May 09 06:24:56 Stskeeps: how to debug kernel issues? :/ May 09 06:24:59 I get no output May 09 06:26:45 enable console and adjust cmdline not to be silent or spitting out to serial port? May 09 06:27:59 err? :/ May 09 06:28:55 wow freeciv is the hardest game ever May 09 06:29:36 luke-jr: CONFIG_CMDLINE May 09 06:29:47 zakkm: nah, not not that user friendly May 09 06:29:50 zakkm: not really May 09 06:30:08 just tried it for the first time gave up hah May 09 06:30:11 CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=1f03 rootfstype=jffs2 ro console=tty0 console=ttyMTD5" May 09 06:30:13 i read the tutorial though May 09 06:30:17 zakkm: try aifill 20 size 1 May 09 06:30:27 luke-jr: set to tty1 instead i guess and enable fbcon within the kernel May 09 06:30:28 whats that? May 09 06:30:43 zakkm: insane difficulty May 09 06:30:55 is tty0 .. 1 ? startng from 0 or is tty0 something else? May 09 06:31:25 im like how can i not of played freeciv, and knew about it all this time ;p so i tried it May 09 06:33:06 isnt there console as a choice too? May 09 06:33:09 starting from 0 May 09 06:33:16 computer scientists start from 0 May 09 06:33:17 :P May 09 06:33:29 its off, its on .. and it adds :P May 09 06:33:44 0, 1 (binary) 2,3,4, ( decimal counting ) May 09 06:34:26 i always thought tty1 sent to first tty? May 09 06:34:52 tty1 -6 and then X? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:35:11 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:35:40 2009 May 09 06:35:41 its 2;35am for me, didnt goto bed yet May 09 06:35:48 moo sts May 09 06:35:51 moo RST38h May 09 06:36:10 Stskeeps: is the smartq a success? May 09 06:36:34 Stskeeps: did you see that annouced #7 ? May 09 06:37:09 The SmartQ 7 runs an unspecified Linux distro with specs that include WiFi, a USB-host mode, stereo speakers, and up to 2-days of music off a single charge to its 4500mAh Li-Poly battery. .... unspecified guessing thats mer? :P May 09 06:37:47 no, they run the same firmware May 09 06:37:53 not mer (yet) :P May 09 06:38:03 but yes, personally it's a success for me so far :P May 09 06:38:12 http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/smartq-7-is-an-internet-tablet-with-dedicated-fn/ did you see? May 09 06:38:23 yeah May 09 06:38:35 i have kernel+bootloader sources for the q7 too so May 09 06:38:37 4500mah.. :P May 09 06:39:00 and up to 2-days of music off a single charge ..... hows that done? May 09 06:39:02 48 hours? May 09 06:39:04 with that scren it probably needs it May 09 06:39:25 nokia only has 1500 with the same screen May 09 06:39:34 7"? May 09 06:39:40 the smartq7 .. has 7" screen May 09 06:39:45 ah, the 7" model May 09 06:39:51 sory May 09 06:39:56 q5 is 2000mAh :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:40:32 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 09 06:41:03 2009 May 09 06:41:24 Stskeeps: should get a q7 for free :D May 09 06:41:38 i got a q5 for free :P May 09 06:42:00 isn't it a bit much to ask for until the project shows it's worth? :) May 09 06:42:47 Well it looks like it might be even cheaper than I expected. http://www.eletroworld.cn have it up for $189. May 09 06:42:54 ^ - found on umpcworld May 09 06:44:25 yeah, but then again the GBAX guy (famous from the pandora) claims to have them too May 09 06:44:46 also the specs on eletroworld is a bit odd May 09 06:45:27 well, ok, they have a english version of the manual May 09 06:45:29 oh hee go the aiplanes May 09 06:45:30 looks like a nice design May 09 06:47:06 * RST38h watches planes form his window, then hears about them on TV May 09 06:47:38 planes for what? May 09 06:47:47 zakkm: a military parade May 09 06:47:57 is it doomsday today and can i go back to bed? :P May 09 06:48:04 is that why i heard plans lastnight? May 09 06:48:13 It takes 'em about 20-30 seconds to fly from my house to the center of the city May 09 06:48:20 Prolly not May 09 06:48:20 Stskeeps: second option can be done with or without first one ;p May 09 06:48:29 heard planes -.- * May 09 06:48:35 Sts: It's doomsday. Go, sleep it over. May 09 06:48:49 its called synchronicity :) May 09 06:49:36 zakkm, so is it tty0 ? I tried pressing ctrl+alt+1 just now and had to restart X :( May 09 06:50:04 why? you can just do ctrl alt 7 ? or whatever X started in May 09 06:50:22 i always thought tty started at 1, until like 15min ago? May 09 06:50:23 maybe he did not know? :) May 09 06:50:32 tank-man: I have that song! May 09 06:50:45 no, i had a blank screen after. might be somnething to do with dvi vs vga May 09 06:50:45 just because you switched tty, doesnt mean X is "unloaded/stopped" May 09 06:50:51 * luke-jr listens to 'synchronicity' May 09 06:51:04 zakkm: his video drivers may have got confused May 09 06:51:22 dvi vs vga? May 09 06:51:24 * Stskeeps tries generating 0.13 images to see how that goes. May 09 06:51:30 arent we talking about tablet? May 09 06:51:57 tank-man: did you see which one X starts at? May 09 06:52:10 if console/bash w.e isnt started.. it would be a blank screen May 09 06:52:13 w0w q5 cheap May 09 06:52:36 so only like alt f1-f5 would show console.. and 6 would be blank..and 7 would be X probably then 8 onwards might be fully blank May 09 06:53:02 im just refering to any linux system and i tried it on my desktop pc. console stuff only shows up on non-dvi screen for me May 09 06:53:16 i cant afford a dvi cable :) May 09 06:53:30 never heard of that May 09 06:53:56 that would be weird? screen doesnt control that much does it? May 09 06:53:59 vga vs dvi? May 09 06:55:39 did you guys see http://woot.com/ ? May 09 06:55:40 today May 09 06:56:13 "slingbox" for 59.99 May 09 06:56:53 yea I looked it up some more and its specific to nvidia users May 09 06:57:30 nvidia rules :) May 09 06:57:44 fail May 09 06:57:45 have a 8500gt 512mb pci-e :D May 09 07:02:42 are there only 3 gpu makers left? May 09 07:02:47 intel, nvidia, and ati? May 09 07:02:51 is that's all that's left? May 09 07:03:24 no May 09 07:03:29 nVidia is the worst of those 3 of course May 09 07:04:02 who else is left? May 09 07:04:07 :O May 09 07:04:09 well. i suppose there is still via.. but that is pretty low end May 09 07:04:11 nvidia is awesome May 09 07:04:15 nVidia sucks May 09 07:04:24 dont forget OMAP :D May 09 07:04:25 Macer: I forget the other one May 09 07:04:34 omap :) haha May 09 07:04:41 OMAP doesn't count as GPU! May 09 07:04:47 it's jsut a framebuffer May 09 07:04:54 i thought the new one has opengl ? May 09 07:05:01 opengl 2.0 May 09 07:05:03 so does the old one May 09 07:05:09 but we can't use it May 09 07:05:11 so it doesn't matter May 09 07:05:22 i like my artigo May 09 07:05:26 sems to work well as a server May 09 07:05:27 Imagination Technologies, zakkm. May 09 07:05:46 hey zakkm May 09 07:05:55 hey jaem :D May 09 07:06:00 how's the headset? May 09 07:06:11 A lot of these are out of business, but still: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Graphics_hardware_companies May 09 07:06:28 beautiful, ran out of battery life so i didnt take it to my friends house May 09 07:06:39 Powercolor! :D May 09 07:06:43 S3 May 09 07:06:46 that's the one I was thinking of May 09 07:06:48 powervr? :P May 09 07:06:49 s3 = via May 09 07:06:52 zakkm: what? May 09 07:07:02 ;) May 09 07:07:10 o May 09 07:07:15 S3 Chrome I hear is really nice May 09 07:07:19 but hard to find May 09 07:07:22 jaem: i didnt get to use it today, well actually since it arrived for the most part :( May 09 07:07:30 ah May 09 07:07:31 s3 chrome is terriblee May 09 07:07:36 it sucks May 09 07:07:38 :) May 09 07:07:43 yeah, sorry about the missing rubber cover on the one earpiece May 09 07:07:43 yeah.. my artigo uses a chrome May 09 07:07:48 it is a piece of crap May 09 07:07:58 it was under my shirt and, I guess it caught and fell off May 09 07:08:03 i suppose it is great as an ultra small desktop... but it's horrible May 09 07:08:07 jaem: i only use one ear :P May 09 07:08:17 Macer: a recent one? May 09 07:08:29 sure May 09 07:08:35 whats the center thing for? May 09 07:08:41 can press it but it doesnt seem to do anything May 09 07:08:50 the thing that says nokia May 09 07:08:50 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CX700/VX700 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 03) May 09 07:08:54 it can do things if the program supports it May 09 07:09:06 does any maemo thing support it? May 09 07:09:14 i guess it works pretty well in winxp :) but the linux drivers are slow as shit May 09 07:09:14 I believe MediaBox uses it for basic audio control (next/prev/play/pause) May 09 07:09:20 sweet May 09 07:09:41 i have to hand it to via though.. the picoatx is awesome May 09 07:09:49 macer: terrible, had it on a old server i ran with a friend omg we just went and sold the motherboard on craigslist and bought another May 09 07:09:52 there are a lot of possibilities with having a small pc like that May 09 07:09:55 Macer: maybe I'm just thinking h264 acceleration May 09 07:10:12 I'm not exactly sure how it works - my completely unfounded guess is inaudible pulses on the mic line May 09 07:10:24 does anybody know how the button signals the NIT? May 09 07:10:25 video isn't important for a server May 09 07:10:28 :) May 09 07:10:45 jaem: ? May 09 07:10:45 Macer: that's what aalib is for XD May 09 07:10:55 luke-jr: the button on the Nokia earbuds May 09 07:10:59 oh May 09 07:10:59 macer: it helps when remote desktop'ing i found May 09 07:11:05 jaem: there's an event# thing jsut for that May 09 07:11:16 my little artigo is a beast May 09 07:11:16 it was a windows server, had to use windows software May 09 07:11:17 :) May 09 07:11:24 symlink at /dev/input/by-path/platform-retu-headset-event- May 09 07:11:25 i know via is supposed to release a newer model soon May 09 07:11:32 there isn't a dedicated conductor on the plug for it, so I presumed that it piggybacked on the mic line May 09 07:11:40 1.5GHz with a gbit lan May 09 07:11:42 luke-jr: thanks! that might be useful May 09 07:11:48 jaem: it's exposed to software via that event thing :p May 09 07:11:50 the one i have is 1.0GHz with 100mbit May 09 07:11:56 it's great though for a low powered server May 09 07:12:06 luke-jr: I'm wondering about the hardware level May 09 07:12:07 jaem: let me know how it looks on the software side? ;) May 09 07:12:16 one sec May 09 07:12:21 or wait, this headset came w/ N810? May 09 07:12:25 * luke-jr wonders where he put his May 09 07:12:37 jaem sent me one :) May 09 07:12:41 crap, I think I've lost everything N810 that I don't use.. May 09 07:12:57 morning GeneralAntilles May 09 07:13:37 zimbra is going to come out with 6.0 soon :) May 09 07:13:40 i'm excited May 09 07:13:56 windows mobile 7.. hurry up :D May 09 07:13:58 3 of the bugs i reported are supposed to be repaired May 09 07:14:03 haha May 09 07:14:08 has anybody tried win7? May 09 07:14:16 ive had win7 rc for weeks May 09 07:14:19 is it just vista? May 09 07:14:22 noo May 09 07:14:23 with a new name? May 09 07:14:25 hah May 09 07:14:26 way different May 09 07:14:30 proper speed too May 09 07:14:37 faster than xp, in most cases May 09 07:14:52 aero doesnt look as nice though May 09 07:14:58 its very static May 09 07:15:01 who are the conf-files of the apache2 package? May 09 07:15:05 does it look like vista? May 09 07:15:24 sounds interesting May 09 07:15:24 no May 09 07:15:36 dock just shows icon, no title May 09 07:15:43 it has a dock? :) May 09 07:15:49 like osx? May 09 07:15:50 sorry taskbar May 09 07:15:55 damn my mac thinking lol May 09 07:16:00 haha May 09 07:16:05 http://www.appscout.com/images/Windows%207%20screen.jpg May 09 07:16:06 i should download it and try it out May 09 07:16:33 i don't know.. that sure looks vistaish to me May 09 07:16:46 http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs30/f/2008/067/0/b/Windows_7_RC1_by_aesmon11.jpg <-- i still say thats the coolest looking OS look... dont you think ( what longhorn.. the one before vista was suppose to look like ) May 09 07:17:00 macer: bad screenshot :( May 09 07:17:21 lol... that thing looks just like vista May 09 07:17:26 did you guess see the longhorn concept video? May 09 07:17:51 ok... the 2nd one looks better May 09 07:17:54 i would of left mac for it :( May 09 07:18:07 2nd one = what vista was suppose to look like May 09 07:18:17 Stskeeps: aww, still no debug output :< May 09 07:18:23 luke-jr: hmm May 09 07:18:30 well.. they were supposed to release this right ? but decided they would release vista instead? May 09 07:18:32 and you inserted fbcon as a =y and not =m? May 09 07:18:37 macer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJdaODYetuk&feature=related <-- goto 1min 2 seconds May 09 07:18:43 Stskeeps: =m, and copied the module to the initfs May 09 07:18:43 and watch May 09 07:19:07 luke-jr: ah no, =y May 09 07:19:09 :/ May 09 07:19:14 fbcon.ko works for .21 May 09 07:19:19 macer: the video will show you more , and video was done in 2006 ... they were making longhorn.. gave up on it then made vista.. thats why it took so long to go from xp to vista May 09 07:19:27 sure it does but you want the kernel using it as a console May 09 07:19:34 macer: it wasnt 5 years making vista or w.e it was only like 2.. they gave up on the old project May 09 07:19:57 oooh, I see May 09 07:20:06 macer: that vidd... "Coming oct 2003 " lol May 09 07:20:12 macer: real by the way May 09 07:20:45 yeah haha May 09 07:20:52 did it watch? May 09 07:20:58 they were supposed to have been doing the win7 thing years ago May 09 07:21:03 but they scrapped it for vista May 09 07:21:05 doesnt that look so sick? May 09 07:21:36 i guess it was easier for them to use xp and mod the desktop and release it as a new OS than work on the newer one May 09 07:21:56 i think thatvideo they did, was the coolest OS of all times :P May 09 07:21:58 that is a nice looking video though May 09 07:22:10 i would lovee to use that May 09 07:22:21 but i remember that ms was supposed to release this and instead the world got vista May 09 07:22:41 vista was supposed to have a much better 3d desktop May 09 07:22:53 i think that looks better, dont you? May 09 07:22:57 with the ablility to angle windows and what not.. instead it was xp with transparent borders on the windows May 09 07:23:10 yeah... i am goig to download it now and try it out :) May 09 07:23:36 that would of really sold, especially in 2003 May 09 07:23:45 I tried the (beta?) for about an hour May 09 07:23:58 jaem: beta of what? May 09 07:24:02 win7 May 09 07:24:18 it was better than Vista, for sure, but - I don't know - Windows just annoys me May 09 07:24:20 its not much different now, just more stable / faster May 09 07:24:42 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC Build 7100 May 09 07:24:45 is that the latest? May 09 07:24:49 I can use it, but it gets to me after a little while of use May 09 07:24:49 lol May 09 07:24:53 mostly just small things May 09 07:24:58 Macer: i had that for like a month and a bit May 09 07:24:59 lol May 09 07:25:01 fuck microsoft with an IED May 09 07:25:12 heh May 09 07:25:13 in comparison, I've run into more serious issues occasionally with Linux, but it just "clicks" with me May 09 07:25:21 but yeah, can get it officially May 09 07:25:28 one amusing note about Win7, though May 09 07:25:28 at microsoft site May 09 07:25:42 you can download the rc officially? May 09 07:25:42 :) May 09 07:25:44 yeah May 09 07:25:47 since may 5th May 09 07:25:52 the first time I tried it, the logoff sound crashed, and blocked the logout with an error message May 09 07:25:55 expires in august/ next year in august May 09 07:25:57 no shit huh.. is that their way of massive beta testing? May 09 07:26:04 most likely august 2010 May 09 07:26:16 yup :) May 09 07:26:25 im surprised maemo doesnt do that :P May 09 07:26:33 why doesnt maemo have a bug report button anyways? :P May 09 07:26:39 "send to maemo team" when something crashes May 09 07:26:42 zakkm: on-device? May 09 07:26:43 because it's perfect May 09 07:26:46 is has no bugs May 09 07:26:47 ever May 09 07:26:50 right... May 09 07:26:52 LOL May 09 07:27:03 i get crashes all the time May 09 07:27:06 mostly tear though May 09 07:27:07 >_< May 09 07:27:07 except for the three I reported that likely won't ever get fixed May 09 07:27:14 now, anyway May 09 07:27:17 lol May 09 07:27:21 haha May 09 07:27:24 not feature stuff, just crash reports May 09 07:27:28 oh well, Mer's better IMO anyhow May 09 07:27:39 well.. supposed to use mer from now on :) May 09 07:27:40 haha May 09 07:27:40 did you see early aero? May 09 07:27:52 aero is garbage May 09 07:27:52 * luke-jr uses Gentoo. May 09 07:27:54 :) May 09 07:28:16 zakkm: some people find them annoying, and I would expect (just guessing) that it puts more load on the triagers May 09 07:28:18 * zakkm uses Mac and have been for about a year now, and is never going back to any other OS May 09 07:28:26 zakkm: you run Mac on your N810? May 09 07:28:30 no May 09 07:28:34 luke-jr: sure, why not? May 09 07:28:40 :D May 09 07:28:43 cant? May 09 07:28:46 jaem: I think b-man said it was slow May 09 07:28:47 [: May 09 07:28:48 wasn't b-man working on Vista ;) May 09 07:28:50 noo May 09 07:28:53 b-man started darwin May 09 07:28:57 not mac i thought May 09 07:29:02 you hav eto join some technet plus garbage to get the official rc? May 09 07:29:04 screw that May 09 07:29:06 zakkm: Mac OS 8 IIRC May 09 07:29:08 noo May 09 07:29:12 macer: looking in wrong place May 09 07:29:13 there is an emulator for the ancient Mac versions, though May 09 07:29:19 vmac? May 09 07:29:19 I tried Win 3.1 in DosBox May 09 07:29:26 mac os 8 is oldd ;p May 09 07:29:26 that was ms site May 09 07:29:35 jaem: Win3.1 runs in DosBox⁇ May 09 07:29:41 luke-jr: sort of May 09 07:29:45 O.o May 09 07:29:50 I couldn't get the pointercal to work (in Dosbox itself) May 09 07:29:55 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx May 09 07:29:57 there it is May 09 07:30:02 macer: https://login.live.com/login.srf?wa=wsignin1.0&rpsnv=10&ct=1241854192&rver=5.0.3265.0&wp=MCMBI&wreply=https:%2F%2Fprofile.microsoft.com%2FRegSysProfileCenter%2Fwizard.aspx%3Fwizid%3D9ae77f00-f3ab-4076-a365-8300676a7144%26lcid%3D1033%26FU%3Dhttps:%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fbetaexperience%2Fscripts%2Fgcs.aspx%3FProduct%3Dcons-win7rc-64-ww%2526Lcid%3D1033&lc=1033&cb=LCID%3D1033%26WizID%3D9ae77f00-f3ab-4076-a365-8300676 May 09 07:30:06 oh snap sorry! May 09 07:30:13 Macer: wheere's the official torrent? May 09 07:30:22 and my tablet laid charges against me for assault (on battery) May 09 07:30:22 i don't use torrents May 09 07:30:33 yes, pun intended; no, it didn't work May 09 07:30:56 is dosbox good? May 09 07:30:58 Macer: but the MPAA is endorsing TPB these days - didn't you hear? May 09 07:31:04 zakkm: yes, for dos apps May 09 07:31:04 never tried it, on desktop or tablet May 09 07:31:11 you have to sign up for a msn acct to download it May 09 07:31:13 screw that May 09 07:31:17 iwanted to try a dos game May 09 07:31:21 Macer: http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-website-now-with-torrents-090502/ May 09 07:31:24 hehe May 09 07:31:26 how well would cd dos games work? May 09 07:31:34 no thanks... torrents are slow as shit May 09 07:31:36 i guess that might be going too far May 09 07:31:40 zakkm: cd as in CD? May 09 07:31:45 torrents are so 1990s May 09 07:31:46 yeah May 09 07:31:51 irc ftw! May 09 07:32:00 irc is so early 1990s ;) May 09 07:32:07 usenet ftw ! May 09 07:32:09 IRC is more like 1980s May 09 07:32:11 well, you could mount an ISO somewhere, then map it to D:\ in dosbox May 09 07:32:18 that would likely work May 09 07:32:25 yeah im thinking it wont be a good game for tablet though ;p May 09 07:32:27 ms wants you to create an msn acct just to download the rc May 09 07:32:32 what bullshit heh May 09 07:32:33 macer: nooo May 09 07:32:34 yep May 09 07:32:36 it wants a passport May 09 07:32:40 fair point May 09 07:32:41 which you can get using gmail and such May 09 07:32:44 but still close enough May 09 07:32:46 screw that May 09 07:32:48 it's still through MS May 09 07:32:52 just with a different address May 09 07:32:59 that's all i want is a bunch of goddamn ms crap being sent to me May 09 07:33:06 luckily, they aren't stupid enough to require that address' credentials :S May 09 07:33:09 macer: just google a directlink ;p May 09 07:33:16 the official directlink May 09 07:33:20 then google a serial May 09 07:33:21 they are worse than my long lost ancient indian prince cousin trying to give me money May 09 07:33:29 hey, I know that guy May 09 07:33:31 :O May 09 07:33:38 my fortune is on its way May 09 07:33:38 does that mean we're related? :D May 09 07:33:53 zakkm: don't know. i'm still waiting on my diamond stash May 09 07:33:56 XD May 09 07:33:59 all he wanted was my credit card number! May 09 07:34:14 yeah.. all i needed to give him was my bank acct number and routing number! May 09 07:34:17 :) May 09 07:34:26 i messaged back asking for a family discount :D May 09 07:34:30 so he could deposit my diamond fortune directly into my account May 09 07:34:48 nice! May 09 07:34:58 any day now i should see my millions May 09 07:35:23 i wonder how many people fall for those sort of spams May 09 07:35:27 alot May 09 07:35:27 yeah May 09 07:35:30 i read a book on it May 09 07:35:32 obviously some May 09 07:35:33 really? May 09 07:35:44 i just can't see people being that stupid May 09 07:35:49 there was one person, he did it... got caught years later.. went to jail.. the police told everyone he scammed May 09 07:35:56 have you seen the "Has your credit card number been stolen on the Internet? Enter it here to check!" banner? May 09 07:35:58 Macer: i lost faith in humanity early on May 09 07:35:59 and yet, until this day, well book age... they still sent him money May 09 07:36:01 people are pretty stupid May 09 07:36:15 Stskeeps: haha May 09 07:36:24 yeah.. that's pretty bad May 09 07:36:36 anybody who falls for something like that deserves to be eliminated from the gene pool May 09 07:37:00 let me see if i have any of those in my gmail spam May 09 07:37:12 Macer: saw my SmartQ5 yet btw? May 09 07:37:20 * zakkm keeps all his hotmail emails, has about 6000 + unread msgs in his hotmail account May 09 07:37:25 I get spam trying to sell me cheap semiconductors May 09 07:37:29 Stskeeps: ? May 09 07:37:32 I wonder what that says about me... May 09 07:37:33 zakkm: I have about 6000 in my inbox alone May 09 07:37:36 what is a smartq5? May 09 07:37:51 Macer: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/img-1.jpg May 09 07:38:02 (your tablet on top and the smartq below. ignore scale, screen size is same) May 09 07:38:17 eww mer :D May 09 07:38:24 hey.. is that the new one ? :) May 09 07:38:26 night! May 09 07:38:28 awesome May 09 07:38:31 night jaem May 09 07:38:33 glad it's doing some good for you ;) May 09 07:38:55 yeah.. i need to find some kind of purpose for the old tablet though May 09 07:38:56 how is it working out for you Stskeeps ? May 09 07:39:10 Stskeeps: i can give it a good home :) May 09 07:39:20 hah.. well.. that is a nice n800 i gave you ;) i tried to keep it well maintained May 09 07:39:22 zakkm: my lcd scrolling tablet May 09 07:39:31 Macer: yeah, it seems to work nicely so far :) May 09 07:40:00 yeah. i loved it until i got my G1 ;) May 09 07:40:03 we should go back to some kindergarten lessons, taking turns :D May 09 07:40:08 the qwerty really makes a difference May 09 07:40:09 eww G1 May 09 07:40:21 zakkm: all the g1 needs is bt hid support May 09 07:40:29 Stskeeps: it's trying to use /lib/modules/current/ instead of /lib/modules/ACTUAL_VERSION May 09 07:40:30 and it will be great May 09 07:40:30 :/ May 09 07:40:41 your have a bt thing better than the physical keyboard? May 09 07:40:45 that makes it worthwhile? May 09 07:40:57 luke-jr: cant you symlink? May 09 07:41:14 * Stskeeps isn't regretting his last.fm subscription so far May 09 07:41:17 zakkm: then it will break if I boot the other kernel :/ May 09 07:41:28 luke-jr: wait, shouldnt it already be symlinked? May 09 07:41:36 i ran into a problem last week at a friends house May 09 07:41:37 zakkm: I have two different kernels May 09 07:41:44 trying to think what i did May 09 07:41:49 what is up with all this damn drug spam May 09 07:41:55 like pharmacies? May 09 07:41:57 I'm not getting drug spam lately May 09 07:41:59 just sex spam May 09 07:42:05 "get drugs at low prices" May 09 07:42:20 * zakkm thinks luke-jr should start reading his spam :) May 09 07:42:37 * zakkm thinks luke-jr should press the "not spam" button May 09 07:42:41 Aphroodisiac Foods For Better Lovemaking May 09 07:42:49 lol May 09 07:42:59 Female Orgasms - Biggest Culpprit Preventing You From Giving Your Woman Mind-Blowing Orgasms May 09 07:43:03 haha May 09 07:43:08 its funny, i been getting those since i was 8, young age for such things eh? :P May 09 07:43:12 yeah, i'm getting a lot of those May 09 07:43:14 Tyhe Forgotten Art of Seduction May 09 07:43:21 well... i don't have any prince from nigeria trying to give me my fortunes May 09 07:43:22 as in, sex spam, not female orgasms May 09 07:43:23 :P May 09 07:43:26 zakkm: why shouldn't I keep them in spam? May 09 07:43:29 Stskeeps: XD May 09 07:43:29 which is odd.. that one seems pretty standard May 09 07:43:47 luke-jr: i was referring to it being a good read // i was joking.. May 09 07:44:18 zakkm: they're all just images of some sort that I don't load May 09 07:44:40 wtf is a pilule pack? May 09 07:44:40 and my wife's still waiting for me in bed nearly every night May 09 07:44:44 so dont' really need spam advice May 09 07:44:46 :p May 09 07:45:12 Stskeeps: so any idea on "current"? May 09 07:45:19 did anyone see the lottery scam? May 09 07:45:25 luke-jr: are you trying to boot maemo or gentoo? May 09 07:45:33 rightt you guys are older ;p May 09 07:45:33 Stskeeps: Gentoo, right now May 09 07:45:38 Stskeeps: I don't want to break Maemo tho May 09 07:45:52 luke-jr: oh, right, initfs probably uses current May 09 07:46:12 x.x May 09 07:46:28 on 770 i just booted straight from mmc May 09 07:46:35 and used solca's boot scripts May 09 07:46:46 so it does May 09 07:47:10 as in no initfsf May 09 07:48:10 ok, initfs hacked to use uname -r dir… May 09 07:48:22 hopefully that won't blow up on me May 09 07:51:38 bah May 09 07:51:40 kernel BUG May 09 07:51:41 whatever May 09 07:51:47 stupid thing scrolls way too fast May 09 08:00:13 Stskeeps: no /dev/mmcblkNpN :/ May 09 08:00:17 oh well, TOMORROW May 09 08:00:18 <.< May 09 08:01:46 luke-jr: i think i knew mmc support was dead May 09 08:02:11 Stskeeps: ⁈⁈ May 09 08:02:21 luke-jr: there was some issue on MMC support May 09 08:02:23 stlc45xx mentions it May 09 08:02:35 what does stlc45xx have to do with MMC? :/ May 09 08:02:47 it has a comment on what the later kernels break May 09 08:03:17 now that's why nitdorid acts weird with memory cards... May 09 08:03:25 *nitdroid May 09 08:03:38 hey guys, is it a good idea since im booted off sdhc, that i should install 48mhz kernel? May 09 08:04:15 you can see if it helps. n800 or n810? May 09 08:04:26 n800 May 09 08:04:56 dont want to go through the hassle if its not worth it May 09 08:05:13 test it out i guess May 09 08:05:26 might be worse though hah, i have no way to check May 09 08:05:39 guess i can hdparm before and after though May 09 08:12:05 /var/lib/dpkg/info/tablet-gdm-autologin.postinst: 4: cannot open /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template: No such file May 09 08:12:09 anyone have a clue? May 09 08:12:15 while configuring tablet-gdm-autologin May 09 08:15:49 LiraNuna: is gdm installed? May 09 08:16:06 zakkm, I just installed ubuntu-desktop May 09 08:16:18 LiraNuna: if not / yes... just nano -w /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template and leave a space... and then save May 09 08:16:24 and re"apt"" ? May 09 08:16:31 or dpkg --configure -a .. might do in this case May 09 08:16:33 touch /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template May 09 08:16:38 or that ;p May 09 08:16:45 its 4;16am , about to sleep :P May 09 08:16:58 LiraNuna: how tired are you right now? May 09 08:17:11 do dpkg --configure -a .. it should redo the tablet-gdm configure May 09 08:17:14 Stskeeps, so tired I typed a terminal command here May 09 08:17:38 LiraNuna: k - else i would tell you how to adjust the mer imager to spit out ubuntu images instead :P May 09 08:17:39 Stskeeps, why? you need anything? May 09 08:18:00 Stskeeps: what did you just say? May 09 08:18:42 like in simpler words May 09 08:18:56 zakkm: the imager scripts we use to create mer on n8x0 can just as well make ubuntu images. May 09 08:19:33 make true ubuntu arm? May 09 08:19:55 that wouldnt have the drivers and such though would it? May 09 08:20:07 omap kernel and all? May 09 08:20:10 more like a simple image that doesn't take a arm and a leg and your firstborn May 09 08:20:11 and just my luck, rebooted and I got ubuntu splash stopped at ~15% May 09 08:20:22 LiraNuna: reboot May 09 08:20:26 go back into it ;p May 09 08:20:50 chroot? May 09 08:21:34 no May 09 08:21:40 like just boot it again May 09 08:21:44 like 2nd times a charm? May 09 08:21:50 hehe May 09 08:23:15 seem to stuck at the same location May 09 08:23:28 either that or it's doing something reeeeaaaallly heavy there May 09 08:23:58 you could boot without screen i think May 09 08:24:07 like the splash May 09 08:24:16 I couldn't get deblet to do it May 09 08:24:24 oh wow it continues May 09 08:24:34 I pressed the power button May 09 08:24:38 and it continues May 09 08:24:39 heh ;p May 09 08:24:42 held it? May 09 08:24:48 rapid click May 09 08:25:00 I hope it's a first time boot up thing May 09 08:25:37 LiraNuna: if you want to maintain a Ubuntu-on-N8x0 thing on OBS i can probably help you to do that May 09 08:25:41 ubuntu makes boot caches doesnt it? May 09 08:27:15 I'd love to, straind` May 09 08:27:18 Stskeeps,* May 09 08:27:20 gnome would probably be slow ;p May 09 08:27:23 tab complete fail May 09 08:27:34 zakkm, it was comparable to hildon on deblet May 09 08:27:45 LiraNuna: fair enough, sign up on https://build.opensuse.org/ as starters May 09 08:28:05 whats the advantage of obs? May 09 08:28:51 zakkm: no scratchbox for starters.. May 09 08:29:16 everything you need would be in repository though, wont it? May 09 08:29:19 also after seeing https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel (need login) you start to realize how cool it is May 09 08:29:56 there May 09 08:30:30 is opensuse's distro making out yet? May 09 08:31:01 I've heard Fedora are going ARM too, but I'm not a fan of RPM May 09 08:31:58 LiraNuna: take a look at https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AHW%3AN8x0 and see what packages are needed on top of a typical ubuntu debootstrap in addition to these to do a sane ubuntu system May 09 08:32:04 you can probably get that from b-man's guide May 09 08:32:52 and i'll adjust the imager to work with that May 09 08:33:37 then we can get a image that's installable with the mer installer :P May 09 08:34:10 cool May 09 08:34:25 :o May 09 08:35:35 go 4 it May 09 08:36:31 i'd have have a sane image than a bunch of people throwing themselves at the guide and miserably failing. May 09 08:36:59 +rather May 09 08:37:25 (we recently seperated the N8x0 from the Mer.) May 09 08:40:40 Stskeeps, I'm afraid to do anything... how can I 'add' a package or what should I aim for? May 09 08:41:10 LiraNuna: isnt apt-get possible? May 09 08:41:16 LiraNuna: quite simple, add a package, adjust description, name, and add a .dsc .tar.gz and optionally .diff.gz :) May 09 08:41:20 ohh in obs May 09 08:41:20 you can make a "Home project" May 09 08:41:25 wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build is a good starter May 09 08:42:13 long list is long May 09 08:42:22 2am, I'll look into it tomorrow May 09 08:42:25 k May 09 08:42:30 I'd rather not wreck anything May 09 08:42:38 * LiraNuna loves to help May 09 08:43:11 you can't without permissions anyway :P May 09 08:44:08 2am? so lucky ;P May 09 08:44:11 im sitting at almost 5am May 09 08:44:16 i should goto bed soon :D May 09 08:44:52 I wake up at 08:00 May 09 08:45:04 oh wait it's weekend May 09 08:45:45 i wake up at 3pm everyday :P May 09 08:47:39 once I get this working, I'll dpkg -l May 09 08:52:53 I've noticed ubuntu install useless tablet stuff such as dvd-rw-tools, so I'll be cleaning up after that May 09 08:53:46 who knows if you connect one on usb hub May 09 08:53:46 :P May 09 08:55:37 what's the likelyhood? May 09 08:55:38 blah.. my gf and i are having a spat May 09 08:55:45 LiraNuna: its ubuntu its not ubuntu tablet , and ubuntu has burning program which needs dvd-rw-tools. May 09 08:55:58 zakkm, which will be removed :) May 09 08:56:06 women are a pain sometimes May 09 08:56:09 at least for bloat-less nitbuntu May 09 08:56:16 although putting myself in her shoes so am i :) May 09 08:56:18 Macer: be glad you have someone :P *is all alone* May 09 08:56:32 sometimes alone is better May 09 08:56:33 ;) May 09 08:56:47 well at this rate, ill never be able to find out myself ;p May 09 08:56:48 i don't think my gf and i are going to last much longer... i give up May 09 08:57:12 zakkm: go talk to a girl and maybe you will find some progress May 09 08:57:48 hah truthfully its a long distance thing, but still leaves me alone :( like locally sort of thing May 09 08:58:26 yeah, if i can find a fiancee, so can any nerd. May 09 08:58:42 Stskeeps: you bring inspiration to nerds everywhere :D May 09 08:58:50 Macer too :) May 09 08:59:22 although every tech person i know is going to be married/is married? May 09 08:59:32 .* May 09 09:00:22 Stskeeps: how do you find time? May 09 09:00:33 i always see you like on here May 09 09:00:59 yeah, if i can find a fiancee, so can any nerd. May 09 09:01:00 word May 09 09:01:22 <- happily married nerd with geek gamer girl May 09 09:01:42 omg i need friends my age. May 09 09:01:44 lol May 09 09:02:00 *joins some teen irc channel* May 09 09:02:20 my gf is 3 years older than me, heh May 09 09:02:31 not bad May 09 09:02:45 I won't get into mine's May 09 09:02:55 and my first gf was 2 years younger May 09 09:03:11 LiraNuna: that statement makes it sound worse than it probably is. May 09 09:03:20 how old are you guys? May 09 09:03:27 I'm 21 May 09 09:03:39 24 May 09 09:03:48 LiraNuna: how long you been married? May 09 09:03:57 zakkm, uh, 2 years...? May 09 09:04:01 Stskeeps: 24 and 27 doesnt seem that bad May 09 09:04:04 wow May 09 09:04:09 my life's weird May 09 09:04:12 im 18, and still hah no where near thinking of marriage May 09 09:04:44 please, my life is weird, but I'm happy May 09 09:04:59 the important part :P May 09 09:05:15 I don't care what society says,, May 09 09:05:21 ? May 09 09:05:25 about what? May 09 09:05:44 my wife is older than me May 09 09:05:55 how much so? May 09 09:06:05 and yet a "geek gamer" ? May 09 09:06:05 double my age.. May 09 09:06:11 at 42 ? May 09 09:06:15 a gamer? May 09 09:06:19 yes May 09 09:06:21 and a coer May 09 09:06:24 coder* May 09 09:06:46 interesting May 09 09:06:54 heh, its first 50+ it gets awkward May 09 09:07:18 bleh May 09 09:07:39 maybe i keep thinking of my parents cause they are in their 50s and my dad cant watch games ( hurts his eyes too much ) and my mom pfft.. so maybe im comparing to that but a 42 year old gamer. May 09 09:07:42 so uh, Stskeeps, will a dpkg -l of a working system help May 09 09:07:45 never seen May 09 09:07:55 whats is l ? May 09 09:08:03 list all installed packages May 09 09:08:13 Stskeeps, asuming all config files are default May 09 09:08:17 *assuming May 09 09:08:20 Stskeeps: 2. n8x0: switching to fbdev instead of omapfb for now (Stskeeps) <-- is that faster? May 09 09:08:29 fbdev? May 09 09:08:47 dev as in "nightly" ? May 09 09:09:00 fbdev = frame-buffer-device May 09 09:09:11 not dev[elopment] May 09 09:09:16 oh right pfft May 09 09:09:23 so tired May 09 09:09:26 its 5am May 09 09:11:53 anyone knows how the N810 differs fingers from stylus? May 09 09:12:28 does the touchscreen provide pressure sensitivity? May 09 09:12:33 yes it does May 09 09:12:54 please don't tell me it's closed source May 09 09:12:55 where does the 810 differentiate tho? May 09 09:12:56 is there any way to make it super sensitive? May 09 09:13:06 like screen calibration trick or something May 09 09:13:40 zakkm, you can only play with the reported figures - if when touching your screen its not registered by the hardware, no tricks will work May 09 09:14:03 soemtimes when i type though, soem keys dont get pressed May 09 09:14:13 and i swear i pressed them, but its like its not enough May 09 09:14:25 well thats exactly it May 09 09:14:46 i have a dodgy old 810 here that is not finger sensitive at all May 09 09:14:57 i have to press fairly hard with stylus May 09 09:15:37 i read on forum if you do screen calibration.. and push really hard.. it makes it more sensitive, but i dont think i trust that hah May 09 09:15:56 i wouldnt either May 09 09:16:40 it might be true, but for something like that i would prefer official confirmation in documentation or somewhere May 09 09:17:03 i tried i had nothing to lose basically but it could easily be a placebo / didnt notice a difference May 09 09:17:18 heh May 09 09:17:40 LiraNuna: also, you can make it always start finger, if you dont like stylus.. btw in control panel May 09 09:17:56 zakkm, yeah, I got that already. really love it May 09 09:17:59 LiraNuna: or vice versa May 09 09:18:21 if(finger) useFingerKeyboard(); else useStylusKeyboard(); May 09 09:18:45 too tired hah May 09 09:19:14 hehe, don't worry May 09 09:19:27 <- N810WE newbie May 09 09:29:59 heya lcuk May 09 09:30:15 mornin RST38h \o how goes it May 09 09:30:42 anyone know how i make grep work on multiple recursive folders May 09 09:31:15 * lcuk is still used to F3 search :$ May 09 09:32:25 what do you want to search? file name or file content? May 09 09:32:33 "Anyone who has entered the containment zone should be watched very carefully; our data reports that most people are drawn in by the whispers, and those that aren't may be already under the Object's control and carrying out its will." May 09 09:32:42 lcuk: grep -R May 09 09:32:42 grep -r May 09 09:32:42 lcuk: Slowly May 09 09:32:44 contents with *.c but in quite a few folders May 09 09:32:51 lcuk: -r should do the job May 09 09:32:53 excellent :D ty May 09 09:32:57 or find + grep May 09 09:34:02 "The equipment provided to the grunts includes an explosive charge in the headset, set to trigger if they are the last one left alive in the room." May 09 09:35:08 mmm "grep -r blah *.c" expands the * args before passing into grep tho, and doesnt find anything, leaving off the *.c just makes it hang (or its searching some folder) May 09 09:36:05 how do i do the find thing? with backticks and weird stuff? May 09 09:36:27 black magic May 09 09:36:48 gimme a moment, I will find the find+grep recipe May 09 09:37:03 find . | grep -E "*.c" May 09 09:37:03 ? May 09 09:37:11 probably wrong though May 09 09:37:19 don't trust a coder at 3am May 09 09:37:28 never trust a coder full stop May 09 09:37:29 find -exec grep {} \; May 09 09:37:40 here May 09 09:37:47 lcuk, :( May 09 09:37:56 ta guys :$ May 09 09:38:17 * zakkm is so glad he never went further than grade 10 programming. May 09 09:38:44 don't forget the \; May 09 09:38:54 lolol busybox find doesnt know about exec, lemme see if i can jimmy it May 09 09:39:20 TIMMY May 09 09:39:25 do we have a clean metapackage to replace busybox? May 09 09:39:34 bash May 09 09:39:38 yeah its called mer May 09 09:39:47 LiraNuna: no May 09 09:39:50 but whoever configured it made a terrible job of colors and weird stuff May 09 09:39:56 so I won't recommend it May 09 09:40:30 its ok, ill just make a script, theres only a few folders :$ ta for trying, but busybox one wont even accept args like needed May 09 09:41:03 you can change the bash config? :P May 09 09:41:21 zakkm, I know but I'm lazy May 09 09:41:28 I got spoiled by ubuntu May 09 09:41:33 sftp send it to your tablet? May 09 09:41:42 ok, next problem, i have heard sed will do multi file replacements May 09 09:42:03 im gonna make the world explode by doing this, but does it "work" well? May 09 09:42:20 file name of file content May 09 09:42:28 both May 09 09:42:39 sed -i "s/replace/me/g" * May 09 09:43:16 that replaces what parts ? May 09 09:43:33 replaces "replace" with "me" inside any text file May 09 09:44:06 sed -i "s/1/2/g" filename.txt # will replace 1 with 2 for file filename.txt May 09 09:44:06 can i do the same with filenames? May 09 09:44:33 for filenames you'll probably have to use mv and a bash loop May 09 09:44:58 ill just do those manually :) theres only about 15 or so May 09 09:45:18 thanks lira May 09 09:45:29 it's better to invest 3 hours writing a script to do it than doing it by hand for 10 minutes May 09 09:45:35 (not) May 09 09:46:07 heh yeah, but im backing up first May 09 09:46:20 and i just know git is gonna shout the loudest May 09 09:46:33 then for weeks afterwards im gonna type the wrong class prefix May 09 09:46:43 :P May 09 09:48:59 its good to learn though May 09 09:50:00 one time had a server and for some reason when the server crashed, all users that were online would somehow still be online after crash, so would manually set it to 0, one day my friend realizes -.- we should make a script.. one line command.. did it "instantly" May 09 09:50:44 mysql update "useronline" "0" .... or something May 09 09:52:01 hurrah! the backup has finished, time to destroy the source :) May 09 09:52:27 gogo sudo rm -rf / May 09 09:52:33 :O May 09 09:52:36 WARNING DO NOT EXEC May 09 09:52:37 LiraNuna: so mean :P May 09 09:52:42 no need for sudo - i am root! May 09 09:52:54 i did that once May 09 09:52:56 IT WAS SO COOL :D May 09 09:53:13 any of you ever seen it done? May 09 09:53:16 hell yeah May 09 09:53:22 seriously though May 09 09:53:23 icons starting to disappear May 09 09:53:25 from a terminal app May 09 09:53:26 can't find terminal May 09 09:53:26 yeah May 09 09:53:31 can't find May 09 09:53:44 if you didn't have anything in ram, you lose May 09 09:53:53 got .ogv file i thought it is ogg something, surprisingly tablet player didn't play that :P May 09 09:54:02 ogg vorbis video.. May 09 09:54:04 nice :P May 09 09:54:10 isn't .ogv theora file? May 09 09:54:17 its theora + video May 09 09:54:25 ubuntu uses it mostly May 09 09:54:35 still open isn't it May 09 09:54:37 its like a alternate to mkv, but guranteed ogg May 09 09:54:43 omg ubuntu boots May 09 09:54:47 mplayer should play it? May 09 09:54:49 ogv? May 09 09:54:52 slooowly and saftly (no swap yet) May 09 09:55:12 might have to goto open and select it, might not show on list instantly on its own May 09 09:55:15 but it should play fine May 09 09:55:29 LiraNuna: swap wont help :D May 09 09:55:44 well it will, but still will be slow May 09 09:55:54 deblet was faster, way faster May 09 09:56:19 2nd boot is a charm :D May 09 09:56:26 its still creating the directories and such remember May 09 09:56:29 configs and all May 09 09:56:53 I booted it a lot of times May 09 09:56:59 I had to fix gdm and stuff May 09 09:57:25 was deblet good, i was told the battery life was really bad May 09 09:57:28 so i never tried it May 09 09:57:29 ;p May 09 09:57:47 whoever made "tablet-gdm-autologin" didn't really tried it May 09 09:58:15 im going between stskeeps or b-man ;p May 09 09:59:36 LiraNuna: b-man. May 09 09:59:47 it's badly written May 09 09:59:50 maintainer of the package, so i guess made it too? May 09 10:00:09 instead of adding 3 lines to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom May 09 10:00:21 it blanks /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and erases /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom May 09 10:00:42 hehh May 09 10:00:49 edit it and recompile ;p May 09 10:00:56 or rather just repackage May 09 10:01:06 and tell him May 09 10:01:34 I doubt it has any code in it, probably just a config script May 09 10:01:45 you just have to add 3 lines May 09 10:02:06 XD May 09 10:02:27 A hack to activate autologin in Gnome May 09 10:02:27 11 Alters kdmrc to autologin and run Xomap correctly. May 09 10:02:51 more like erases every possible file May 09 10:02:53 LiraNuna: have you tried mer? May 09 10:03:06 thux, yes and it kept crashing no matter what I did May 09 10:03:17 ok May 09 10:03:20 LiraNuna: stskeeps couldnt help? May 09 10:03:31 zakkm, I didn't bother with it because it seemed slow May 09 10:03:34 basically like the main developer May 09 10:03:34 I will give it a try May 09 10:03:37 +another May 09 10:04:00 he just realized the newest alpha May 09 10:04:18 i can't use mer either cause its xterm and virtual keyboard May 09 10:04:19 Stskeeps, heh, you should add some measure of automounting to Mer May 09 10:04:28 Stskeeps, and I shall write the whole buglist May 09 10:04:32 0.13testing7 May 09 10:04:49 zakkm, there is one? May 09 10:04:54 yeah May 09 10:04:56 like a hour old? May 09 10:04:56 I've 0.12 yet, how to upgrade? May 09 10:05:05 apt-get dist-upgrade? May 09 10:05:13 mhm May 09 10:05:20 fresh newness :) May 09 10:05:33 apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade May 09 10:05:52 just doing that May 09 10:06:15 && lets you write more commands , and then it does first then second when first is done May 09 10:06:31 no upgrade here... May 09 10:06:38 weird May 09 10:06:42 apt-get update? May 09 10:06:47 I did run that May 09 10:06:52 both? May 09 10:07:00 sure May 09 10:07:06 uhh May 09 10:07:09 apt-get upgrade*** May 09 10:07:44 still nothing to update May 09 10:07:48 would make to wait then :( May 09 10:08:09 none at all? when was the last time you did it? May 09 10:08:24 week or two ago May 09 10:08:33 you have 0.12? May 09 10:08:36 or maybe this week even May 09 10:08:39 yes May 09 10:08:47 odd May 09 10:08:56 at least *had* before I upped it after install May 09 10:09:02 then there were no other upgrades May 09 10:09:20 maybe there's some testing repo I need May 09 10:09:28 updates fast,would of thought they would appear in upgrade May 09 10:12:11 ah btw, what's the proper way to add maemo repos w/o destroying Mer? May 09 10:12:15 phew! global renaming of a class and all subclasses and functions and references and everything complete! May 09 10:12:21 (for the missing binaries) May 09 10:12:29 AStorm: putting it in the last line, of /etc/apt/sources.list May 09 10:12:36 higher up = more priority May 09 10:12:55 and just watching what your doing before you type y / yes .. to apt-get :P May 09 10:12:59 whoops, misclicked May 09 10:13:20 AStorm: yes, i plan to do it with powerlaunch :P May 09 10:13:34 no upgrade in 0.12 May 09 10:13:36 Stskeeps: that program crashes my maemo May 09 10:13:36 Stskeeps, neat, but I'd prefer doing it right in HAL May 09 10:13:37 we switched repos May 09 10:13:37 :P May 09 10:13:44 AStorm: maybe that too May 09 10:13:48 ahhh, I thought of something like it May 09 10:13:51 I wish N810 would charge from USB May 09 10:13:52 Stskeeps: powerlaunch breaks maemo :( May 09 10:13:52 what are the new ones? May 09 10:14:05 LiraNuna, buy the weird Nokia charger for now May 09 10:14:12 zakkm, but not Mer, hehe May 09 10:14:13 Stskeeps: my mer virtual machine is broken :( X wont start and X -configure doesnt help :( May 09 10:14:16 AStorm: on OBS but i can't gurantee that it will upgrade directly May 09 10:14:17 AStorm, hmm? May 09 10:14:18 at least, not more than it is right now May 09 10:14:28 Stskeeps, still, I could try May 09 10:14:46 LiraNuna, CA-100 is the model number May 09 10:15:30 add the line to sources.list last line, rather than application manager :P May 09 10:15:48 Stskeeps, maybe I should /j #mer to avoid URL spam here? or is it on wiki? May 09 10:15:53 Stskeeps: Segmentation fault.. but doing startx in mer VM :) May 09 10:15:56 is there a combined data cable and USB power? May 09 10:15:57 57 files changed, 4281 insertions(+), 4303 deletions(-) :) May 09 10:16:24 AStorm: #mer is always good for mer discussions May 09 10:16:25 lcuk : sounds like a huge patch file :P May 09 10:16:27 or diff May 09 10:16:28 LiraNuna, hmm, no, that's impossible I guess May 09 10:16:35 zakkm, it would be indeed May 09 10:16:38 the charger taxes USB already May 09 10:16:51 Stskeeps: i find it funny how ppl talk back and forth between maemo and mer channels :P May 09 10:16:54 and its like the same ppl May 09 10:17:22 I suspect it could be possible to build such a cable and a piece of software to make it work... May 09 10:17:24 zakkm it happens all the time, not just there, you can be having one conversation about one topic in a chan and a completely different one in pm May 09 10:17:26 cat #maemo #mer > #nit May 09 10:17:48 * lcuk scratches head May 09 10:18:30 im sure at some point mer will have more devices, different ppl will be in each but for now its like the same ppl, same conversation for the most part May 09 10:18:40 like #maemo is maemo + mer.. and #mer is maemo+mer May 09 10:19:00 #mer is the technical branch of maemo at the moment May 09 10:19:18 the scout party May 09 10:19:57 not exactly, but close :P May 09 10:20:28 I thought mer is maemo+ubuntu May 09 10:20:41 "maemo reconstructed" May 09 10:20:57 "we can rebuild him" May 09 10:21:00 LiraNuna: mer is going to be more "official" as the choice cause maemo wont update for n8x0's anymore May 09 10:21:12 I know :| May 09 10:21:29 yes, and I suspect fremantle will be rough on start anyway, with all the UI changes May 09 10:21:37 (still, mer has its share of them too) May 09 10:21:40 i want fremantle :D May 09 10:21:45 mer has its share? May 09 10:21:49 everything is like that at start :P May 09 10:21:54 I want the device that will run fremantle May 09 10:21:55 especially with a brand new device May 09 10:22:08 look at G1 + android May 09 10:22:26 iphone + ipod firmware did okay so cant count that but :P May 09 10:22:30 yeah, the device is what we need May 09 10:22:48 its opengl that we need May 09 10:22:58 no, you don't May 09 10:22:59 if my n800 got opengl, i wouldnt even get the new tblet May 09 10:23:06 3D is overrated and good 2D is possible via Xv May 09 10:23:09 hehe May 09 10:23:17 if N8x0 had OGL 1.1 ... May 09 10:23:19 yeah but the display isnt xv? May 09 10:23:26 heh AStorm i guess you got the playtest working May 09 10:23:28 only video playback + some "games" May 09 10:23:31 lcuk, nopes May 09 10:23:36 I'll check it now May 09 10:23:39 n8x0 has 2.0 i thought? May 09 10:23:39 shame, you should :P May 09 10:23:48 because Stskeeps refused to give me the new Mer repo urls ;P May 09 10:23:50 zakkm, you have seen liqbase havent you May 09 10:24:00 the "new" one May 09 10:24:04 new one?!?! May 09 10:24:08 zakkm, it has nil, because we have no driver for the PowerVR chip May 09 10:24:11 if my n800 got opengl, i wouldnt even get the new tblet // maybe that's why nokia doesn't want to release the drivers May 09 10:24:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY May 09 10:24:14 i used it on the subway today on way to library, was going with friend May 09 10:24:20 they want us all to get the new "rx-77" May 09 10:24:26 i click continue reading, it goes back im like damnn iforgot memory card May 09 10:24:36 its nowhere near finished, but its coming along really nicely :) May 09 10:24:46 and should let people build whatever is needed with it May 09 10:24:47 any chance you dont mind secretly sharing the deb? :D May 09 10:24:54 no i cant May 09 10:24:57 its not got a deb May 09 10:24:58 why not :( May 09 10:25:07 i have to use liqbase so much May 09 10:25:09 i use it for reading :D May 09 10:25:12 HOW IS IT SO FUCKING SMOOTH May 09 10:25:12 come into #liqbase for a while and you might find the location of the playtest May 09 10:25:13 i got alot of textbooks to read May 09 10:25:22 whats a playtest? May 09 10:25:42 the new framework has a playtest showing the new features May 09 10:25:45 how is liqbase4 so fast and smooth!? May 09 10:25:46 to test and play with May 09 10:25:58 development 4, loll :P May 09 10:26:00 LiraNuna, Xv, good coding, etc. May 09 10:26:01 you made 4 videos? :D May 09 10:26:04 LiraNuna, cos i started from the ground up and only added things that worked within the timeframe May 09 10:26:26 the trick is Xv doesn't do blending May 09 10:26:34 LiraNuna: the magic of having proper 2d/3d support ;p May 09 10:26:35 so no alpha for you :P May 09 10:26:41 blending? May 09 10:26:44 what kind of blending? May 09 10:26:48 alpha-blending May 09 10:26:49 i can do alhpe blending May 09 10:26:56 zakkm, don't tell me liqbase got HW accel somehow May 09 10:26:57 the bacon in original is alpha blended May 09 10:27:01 via Xv, or manually? May 09 10:27:07 noo May 09 10:27:12 just doesnt use cpu as much May 09 10:27:12 alpha blending is just an alpha blit May 09 10:27:15 nothing special May 09 10:27:28 LiraNuna :) May 09 10:27:30 LiraNuna, it does. It goes through video acceleration May 09 10:27:36 lcuk: i am so jealous May 09 10:27:38 the fastest 2D possible May 09 10:27:56 oh yeah video acceleration, not 3d though May 09 10:28:05 omg lcuk , gimme :D May 09 10:28:07 who needs 3d anyway May 09 10:28:07 someone RE'd? May 09 10:28:12 you want rotating cubes? May 09 10:28:19 ? May 09 10:28:33 3d doesnt equal rotating cubes? May 09 10:28:42 3D means zoom May 09 10:28:48 3D means HW rotation and translation May 09 10:28:50 liqbase has zoom May 09 10:28:51 zoom is in liqbase already, duh May 09 10:28:55 3D means matrixes May 09 10:28:58 Xv has hardware scaling May 09 10:29:04 i dont use it tho May 09 10:29:05 AStorm, did you RE the hardware? May 09 10:29:09 yes, no matrix transforms, but who needs them May 09 10:29:13 LiraNuna, yes, I did May 09 10:29:23 Xv uses hardware 2D acceleration May 09 10:29:28 lcuk: did you change the reading part? May 09 10:29:42 AStorm, write a linux driver... x_x May 09 10:29:48 ? May 09 10:30:00 linux driver? it *is* part of the X drivier May 09 10:30:06 *driver May 09 10:30:10 xv = XVideo :P May 09 10:30:11 used by mplayer, for example May 09 10:30:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvideo May 09 10:30:35 The X video extension, often abbreviated as XVideo or Xv, is a video output mechanism for the X Window System. May 09 10:30:39 oh May 09 10:30:44 that kind of video May 09 10:30:51 we need xvmc :D May 09 10:30:59 then we're talking :D May 09 10:31:37 whats xvmc then May 09 10:32:10 Xv + Motion Compensation May 09 10:32:18 linux driver? it *is* part of the X drivier // how come maemo doesn't use it? May 09 10:32:20 unfortunately, w/o PowerVR driver, we can't have this May 09 10:32:29 ahh May 09 10:32:33 it does... but not metacity May 09 10:32:39 uhm, not matchbox May 09 10:32:40 LiraNuna: it has.. nothing uses it though May 09 10:32:45 x11 does not natively send stuff through xv May 09 10:32:48 so no window rendering via Xv May 09 10:32:49 except mplayer and liqbase for the most part May 09 10:32:59 until lcuk makes liqbase into a window manager :> May 09 10:33:01 and alot of things cant be vx May 09 10:33:04 xv* May 09 10:33:14 or a whole distro out of it :D May 09 10:33:15 sure, almost all can May 09 10:33:23 implement XComposite May 09 10:33:39 then WM can render the windows via Xv May 09 10:33:47 not easy still, writing a window manager May 09 10:34:02 AStorm, you have seen the dev of liqbase, you seem to understand some of these May 09 10:34:04 show me how May 09 10:34:13 ill talk from liqbase end, you talk from xcomposite May 09 10:34:18 we will see if we can meet in the middle May 09 10:34:26 and see if it can improve things May 09 10:34:44 what about Tear May 09 10:34:51 can it use it as rendering context? May 09 10:35:22 i wouldnt like to say whether something like that would work May 09 10:35:26 hey lcuk: cant i just change the bash script and files to liqbase and replace /bin May 09 10:35:31 and then use the liqbase from menu? :P May 09 10:35:33 to open it? May 09 10:35:38 but its been in mind for a long time to use liqbase rendering principles for a browser May 09 10:35:50 liqbase should have a browser in it :D May 09 10:36:01 html style ;p May 09 10:36:02 or text May 09 10:36:09 the cell class has many analogs with DOM model May 09 10:36:12 liqbase should have X in it ;) May 09 10:36:21 and have that old keyboard typing when you would put name... as the keyboard onscreen May 09 10:36:39 and then just basic type in site.. it displays the text .. not even picture support May 09 10:36:53 like links.. but in liqbase with liqbase "UI" May 09 10:37:28 anyway, no more specualtion - whichever way it worked on complex sites it wouldnt be a benefit anyway May 09 10:37:40 yes May 09 10:38:30 I'm off to bed, bye guys May 09 10:38:33 o May 09 10:38:34 o/ May 09 10:38:39 liqbase merely works because its optimised and doesnt try to do much - if those same principles occured everywhere and sites were kept minimal then they would work even better May 09 10:39:19 forget apache, too bloated :P May 09 10:39:51 tried mplayer that .ogv and got usual mplayer error Your system is too SLOW to play this! **** May 09 10:40:00 thats a error? May 09 10:40:04 it should play it? May 09 10:40:08 just very very frozen :P May 09 10:40:10 just skip May 09 10:40:24 i never knew a error existed? May 09 10:40:34 thux: you running from cmdline? May 09 10:40:43 yes May 09 10:40:48 ah that might be why May 09 10:52:31 please give links/info to intel hardware trojan/exploits May 09 11:02:27 pupnik_, i think microsoft sells a product to do that for you May 09 11:04:19 hm May 09 11:04:31 lcuk, have you tried a paint proggy on x41? May 09 11:04:37 anything good for sketching? May 09 11:05:00 pupnik, the only one i have built and used on there that does what i expect is liqbase May 09 11:05:06 everything else was too fiddly! May 09 11:05:23 i was trying to show tracy something the other night (it needed a diagram) May 09 11:05:56 mhm? May 09 11:06:44 loading up gimp and mucking about to get a simple line drawing thingy on a screen big eenough etc May 09 11:06:56 or oo.org drawing app was similar May 09 11:21:36 anybody ever slick-up mypaint ui? May 09 11:22:03 liq is not a sketch app until you add alpha brushes May 09 11:23:56 pupnik_, its a sketch app, but alpha brushes etc come from a painting prog May 09 11:29:10 i guess one can sketch with a pen May 09 11:29:11 :) May 09 11:29:16 * pupnik_ is a pencil dudre May 09 11:29:50 heh May 09 11:59:57 strange free music: http://www.comfortstand.com/catalog/020/ May 09 12:18:36 hola May 09 13:46:14 hi, does anyone know if there are difference amongst N800 and N810 in the basic linux distro on OS2008 ? May 09 13:47:39 for example is the X server binary different for OS 2008 on N800 and N810 ? I am having problems with a Qt GUI app (Qt compiled using the maemo OS 2008 sdk). my binary works on the N810 but gives erratic behaviour on N800 May 09 13:54:15 ubuntu_, what do you mean "erratic" May 09 13:55:47 lcuk, for example QSimpleRichtText() which renders html style richtext to a Pixmaps gives me an empty pixmap on the N800 but works on the N810. The Qt version is 3.3.8b, I compiled the same Qt version on a linux desktop. on the local X server it works. on a VNC session (vnc x server) it does not work May 09 13:56:25 thopiekar: turm out that s60 putty has after all t9 support. i just didn't find it first :P May 09 13:58:45 ubuntu_, i dunno then, i understand the 800 and 810 to be very similar under the hood, perhaps you still have other software based differences May 09 13:58:48 Qt 3.3.8 ? May 09 13:58:58 that's old May 09 13:59:16 old!=bad though. May 09 13:59:31 lbt, I know but my app is a Qt3 app cannot port it to Qt4. perhaps on the N800 I have an older OS2008 build which has a bug in the X server ? May 09 14:00:53 sounds reasonable at this point May 09 14:01:00 did OS2008 get updated from the first release ? on the N800 I have Version 4.2008.23-14 May 09 14:01:01 go have a dig May 09 14:01:16 pass, theres a whole wiki and docs out there May 09 14:01:20 * lcuk puts head back into code May 09 14:02:36 thux: hehe May 09 14:05:30 got now wlan 3g irc in my pocket thanks to s60 putty May 09 14:13:32 thux: there is a irc client for s60 called mIRGGI :) May 09 14:23:17 ubuntu_: latest version is 5.2008.43-7 May 09 14:23:49 mikkov_: yes I have seen. I have an older but not sure if that will fix the bug. May 09 14:25:18 mikkov_: just tried my Qt app on the N800 with 2008.43-7 ... still does not work :( May 09 14:43:45 does anyone know when diablo 2008 43-7 came out ? May 09 14:47:26 can one downgrade an OS 2008 version using the linux flasher ? May 09 14:47:43 if I use 2008.43-7 can I downgrade to 2008-36-5 ? May 09 14:48:24 yes May 09 14:48:35 Stskeeps, thanks May 09 15:14:07 me wonders how other people will be detecting Fremantle in python May 09 15:14:37 like to know hardware revision? May 09 15:29:40 do you know about future plans of nokia regarding the maemo tablets ? till when will the N810 available on sale ? are there rumours about a new tabled ? when should it come out ? May 09 15:30:27 ubuntu_, you can get an n810 for like $220 May 09 15:30:59 rumlour has it new one this year May 09 15:31:16 z4chh, yes but how long ? I remembed when the N800 became cheap after a short time it disappeared from the market May 09 15:31:39 Shadow__X: thanks. any sites with rumours about specs of the new tablet ? May 09 15:32:44 ubuntu_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle May 09 15:32:52 ubuntu_, which is probably the lowest price it will get around until it becomes off the market...it will probably come off the market when the new tablet comes around May 09 15:33:20 fremantle is the next version and that wiki page has everything what is known May 09 15:33:49 thanks guys! May 09 15:34:28 i doubt the demand is very high for an n810..even around these parts because everyone who might of thought of getting an n810 is saving up for the new tablet (probably) May 09 15:35:40 ubuntu_, i got a new n810 recently though, i love it! May 09 15:44:13 hey ho z4chh May 09 16:48:31 is it possible to make a alarm, when a user goes online on irc at xchat? May 09 16:51:45 thopiekar_tablet, use notify command (see /help notify) May 09 16:52:05 makes xchat icon flash May 09 16:52:05 k thx May 09 16:52:15 ah k May 09 16:52:28 thx Shadow__X , wnd May 09 16:56:07 hmm /HELP ONOTICE tells me that the command is unknown but it is listed in /help May 09 16:56:24 s/help/HELP May 09 16:56:43 onotice is something different May 09 16:58:05 oh i thought it is.. o(nline)notice [notification] May 09 17:15:24 happy rainy saturday :) May 09 17:17:37 penguinbait, lovely and sunny over here May 09 17:18:02 lcuky you :) May 09 17:18:26 indeed, was hailystormy last night but its all cleared now May 09 17:25:00 gah! connection between pc and router 10 foot away keeps breaking May 09 17:25:37 That's why you should've bought something that supports Tomato. :P May 09 17:27:23 first you tell me to get a router May 09 17:27:32 then i get one and ive got the wrong fudging one May 09 17:27:35 * lcuk cannot win May 09 17:31:18 cannot win, cannot quit, cannot find the rules May 09 17:31:21 lcuk, well, you didn't consult anybody on your purchasing decision, so. . . . May 09 17:31:30 :D fu May 09 17:31:45 lcuk: next time, go for a generic dlink box like di-624 May 09 17:31:49 i NEEDED one thou cos of a stupid windows thing May 09 17:32:11 there wont be a next time, im actively checking for a BNC port :P May 09 17:32:17 hehe May 09 17:33:38 thopiekar, onotice = op notice, probably :) May 09 17:34:12 ah could be.. May 09 17:38:50 is there any way to get a rescue bootmenu mode? May 09 17:38:55 eg, execute /bin/sh May 09 17:50:51 That HAVA is still available on woot.com if anybody needs a TV streamer. . . . May 09 18:39:20 I'm working on Fish Fillets for tablets May 09 18:39:42 Sounds tasty May 09 18:40:11 * b-man registers on http://tablethacker.com/forum/ <-- An alternative for ITT May 09 18:40:47 scrolling is now implemented so it shouldn't take too long anymore May 09 18:41:04 b-man, hilarious May 09 18:41:25 b-man: the white color makes my eyes hurt May 09 18:41:40 lol May 09 18:42:06 b-man: also there's no reason to fragment itt. May 09 18:42:08 b-man, those forums are way too Cartman-esque. May 09 18:42:41 GeneralAntilles: http://tablethacker.com/forum/index.php?tid=3 May 09 18:42:55 ^ May 09 18:43:11 heh May 09 18:43:24 unauthorized to view May 09 18:43:38 fuck that forum. May 09 18:43:46 Seriously May 09 18:43:49 ? - i didn't have that problem 0.o May 09 18:44:02 "Screw you guys, Imma gonna go play over here." May 09 18:44:04 * soap will only fork his tblet-oriented eyeball time if there are free ponies involved. May 09 18:44:05 you probably have to log in May 09 18:44:16 s/tblet/tablet/ May 09 18:44:42 RST38h: prolly, but closed forums are so idiotic May 09 18:45:00 Sts: I doubt PB meant it to be closed May 09 18:45:15 it's mostly just a hacker forum :P May 09 18:45:41 b-man: and how on earth is itt not? read my post? May 09 18:46:33 yes May 09 18:47:21 b-man, it's mostly just a whole lot of spite. May 09 18:49:22 i'm personally going to boycott that forum on the grounds it was founded on a paranoid delusion and by someone who after his ridicolous views and being not able to reasoned with sane discussion has earned himself on my itt ignore May 09 18:50:19 linky to paranoid ranting? May 09 18:50:28 andre__, ping? May 09 18:51:51 andre__, not important, but I'll get back to those Bugzilla templates next week whenever I get my G5 back. May 09 18:51:57 b-man: liranuna and i are building a n8x0ubuntu using OBS btw, wanna join in? May 09 18:52:07 hello o/ May 09 18:52:16 shure :) May 09 18:52:21 so its always a proper up-to-date hw packages May 09 18:52:25 b-man, did you make tablet-gdm-autologin? May 09 18:52:41 i ported it from Deblet May 09 18:52:51 b-man, it's broken May 09 18:52:54 badly.. May 09 18:53:02 hmmm :( May 09 18:53:40 it blanks out gdm.conf and makes a blank gdm.conf-custom May 09 18:53:47 b-man: grab an account from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AHW%3AN8x0 and go to the url again May 09 18:53:56 ok May 09 18:55:05 Stskeeps, I got a working ubuntu system and I can dpkg -l; problem is my swap isn't setup so it's really slow May 09 18:55:49 and we need sound May 09 18:56:03 * b-man is glad to see interests in ubuntu-n8x0 again :) May 09 18:56:06 b-man, nm-applet works btw; you just need to make the device managed May 09 18:56:08 indeed May 09 18:56:15 k - i think b-man can help with some things May 09 18:56:46 b-man: we are going to make images instead of guide May 09 18:56:49 Stskeeps, I think the last day-to-day hurdle I'm going to bitch about is nm. :P May 09 18:57:16 Stskeeps: allright :) May 09 18:57:36 b-man: see https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel too May 09 18:58:24 * b-man is registering May 09 18:58:31 straind`, how do the images work on the tablet? extracted to the new root? May 09 18:58:37 Stskeeps* May 09 18:58:38 yeah May 09 18:58:43 guh autocomplete May 09 18:59:15 what about using wicd instead of nm? >_> May 09 18:59:32 rm_you__ takes a bunch more cpu May 09 18:59:36 and ram May 09 18:59:42 s/cpu/ram/ May 09 18:59:42 does it? May 09 18:59:45 shite in mobile devices May 09 18:59:47 Stskeeps, is icd2 feasible at all? May 09 18:59:50 sadness May 09 19:00:07 i like it a lot better than NM <_< May 09 19:00:16 * LiraNuna loves nm-applet May 09 19:00:36 GeneralAntilles: icd is nice but its ui on smth very similar to nm May 09 19:00:54 nm-applet is odd, agree May 09 19:01:09 ah, is it because it is written in python? >_> May 09 19:01:19 and could it be optimized at all, I wonder? ... May 09 19:01:26 Stskeeps: what's smth btw? May 09 19:01:28 * rm_you *really* dislikes NM May 09 19:01:33 something May 09 19:01:33 nm-applet uses hal, doesn't it May 09 19:01:45 same with nm-config May 09 19:01:56 * RST38h has no preference on which Linux wifi applet to use May 09 19:02:06 They are all Linux, messy and broken by definition =) May 09 19:02:20 booo, RST38h May 09 19:02:42 nm makes me want to stab things May 09 19:02:55 So Mer is never going to be day-to-day usable for me if nm is the only option May 09 19:03:17 oh, didn't say that May 09 19:04:09 * rm_you might try to get wicd working once he gets back to WA and installs Mer correctly, and does a good bit of work on the control panel portion of ABL... >_> May 09 19:04:16 most "nm" problems are driver problems thou May 09 19:04:31 nm-applet works in my ubuntu config May 09 19:04:44 still, people looking at something simples should look at moblin connman May 09 19:04:49 suihkulokki, I hate the applet with a passion. May 09 19:05:03 connman didnt have wpa last i saw May 09 19:05:06 suihkulokki: i never got connman to work May 09 19:05:20 right, connman is still WiP May 09 19:05:36 it didn't scan for any networks and there was no button to start the scan May 09 19:05:39 i like connman idea though. May 09 19:05:40 WiP? May 09 19:05:41 but didn't know it was _that_much_ wip :P May 09 19:05:49 work in progress May 09 19:05:50 Work in Progress May 09 19:05:50 Moblin people actually called connection manager "connman"? Oh shit, where is our marketing department... May 09 19:05:52 to get nm-applet working, just change /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf May 09 19:05:53 * b-man wonders how nm could be changed to function better May 09 19:06:01 change managed=false to managed=true May 09 19:06:04 works here, really May 09 19:06:21 Yea, it was a problem introduced in Ubuntu 8 upgrade I think May 09 19:06:28 works here too May 09 19:06:55 GeneralAntilles: whats your main NM gripe anyway? May 09 19:07:00 there's no gnome-keyring problem too May 09 19:07:07 Stskeeps, I hate it. May 09 19:07:14 it asked me for a password, and I entered a gimped one (still need to fix Fn key) May 09 19:07:26 * suihkulokki uses NM with the kde3 applet which slightly suboptimal on a kde4 desktop now May 09 19:07:28 The notifications are really obnoxious, the icons suck, the UI sucks, it doesn't work right. May 09 19:07:36 LiraNuna: it feels easy now when it works, but i'm sure it wasn't easy to get it to work May 09 19:07:51 Meiz_n810, that's why I keep records of what I do May 09 19:08:14 Meiz_n810, that way I can rebuild images of Ubuntu using that Novell build thigy May 09 19:08:23 icd is awesome, it even does seamless pseudo-roaming between the different wifi access points I have, without losing connection or streaming music breaking May 09 19:08:32 when Mer was on early stage nm-appleg didn't work, i had to use iwconfig + others May 09 19:08:54 GeneralAntilles: agreed, and someone needs to hildonize ut. May 09 19:08:56 it May 09 19:10:00 if anyone knows how to make nm not mess up things, do tlel May 09 19:10:14 there are many reasons to dislike NM May 09 19:10:32 I haven't managed to make it work right even on my desktop that only has ethernet and nothing else May 09 19:10:46 ShadowJK, mess up things? to get nm-applet working, just change /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf change managed=false to managed=true May 09 19:10:49 works here May 09 19:11:11 It was a more general inquiry :) May 09 19:11:20 oh, I'm sorry May 09 19:11:40 But if you know how to make it not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf, or how to make it fill in the correct stuff in there, do tell :) May 09 19:11:53 icd is an option if anyone spends time on it May 09 19:12:28 but it being nokia-closed hurts my motivation to work on it May 09 19:12:28 only problem with NM for me currently is: when i leave my school and it disconnects it starts scanning for every minute, when i'm back home in the range of my own wlan ap it wont connect anymore before i do offline and back. it just keeps scanning once connection is lost May 09 19:12:35 the wireless story in linux is finally getting quite good imho May 09 19:12:54 but I'm amazed how badly the recent xorg intel driver upgrade broke things May 09 19:13:07 It seems somewhat amazing to me how all the linux companies bash their heads together on NM, and then Nokia, which isn't exactly famous for making great software, hacks up something as awesome as icd :) May 09 19:13:17 Stskeeps, that's the problem with good closed Nokia stuff . . . the differentiation argument is actually justified. :( May 09 19:13:24 yes May 09 19:13:32 Maybe if we beg and plead May 09 19:13:39 Naaah May 09 19:13:41 Go to Ari on our hands and knees. May 09 19:13:47 GAN8001: non-Free can NEVER be justified May 09 19:13:58 GAN: Maybe if you make a human sacrifice... May 09 19:14:03 go ahead - not a fight i want to take May 09 19:14:20 luke-jr: In the eyes of a teenager, maybe May 09 19:14:35 RST38h: you have that backward May 09 19:15:13 luke-jr, differentation is justified, he didn't say anything about non-free :P May 09 19:15:16 Stskeeps, LiraNuna: btw, bman.maemobox.org will be taken down soon btw :( May 09 19:15:23 k May 09 19:15:30 b-man, I can host May 09 19:15:47 ShadowJK: "differentiation" is being used as an excuse to make it non-Free May 09 19:15:53 ok, thanks! :D May 09 19:16:01 luke-jr, right, but that wasn't the issue :) May 09 19:16:10 it was May 09 19:16:10 though I've never hosted an apt repo before May 09 19:16:21 it's easy to make something work for 1 device in 1 computer May 09 19:16:27 I think he mean crazy-Stallman-free May 09 19:16:43 mavhc, my issues with nm aren't driver related. May 09 19:16:44 I.e. he wants the source code, not just binaries May 09 19:16:59 non-free is ok if the devs are working overtime to help :) but once an app goes cold to allow it the chance of life it should be opened :) May 09 19:17:01 RST38h: binaries are not free May 09 19:17:06 but in general it only has to solve 1 problem, not everyone's problem May 09 19:17:19 lcuk: I don't think having the source code is sufficient May 09 19:17:22 Stallman may be unreasonable, but you need unreasonable people for change (reasonable people just adapt to current reality) May 09 19:17:22 LiraNuna: it's just like hosting anything else, allthough you'll need to keep it up-to-date ;) May 09 19:17:32 RST38h, no, but with just a binary its impossible May 09 19:17:38 at least theres a chance May 09 19:17:41 lcuk: If nobody cares enough to continue development, the source code won't help May 09 19:17:49 hence chance May 09 19:17:54 what you need is "non-free but with a contract that promises development or we'll make it open source" May 09 19:18:02 suihkulokki: I do not want "change" brought by unreasonable people May 09 19:18:04 suihkulokki, you also need reasonable people to have a functioning society. ;) May 09 19:18:08 RST38h: There's a big difference between "nobody cares" and "nobody cares with money". May 09 19:18:14 b-man, I can try; I got the server+bandwidth May 09 19:18:23 suihkulokki: For this road leads to Gilliam's "Brazil" May 09 19:18:36 luke-jr, oh I thought GAN was implying that the "differentiation" argument fails for most of the software, because the software isn't actually that good, not worth holding onto... But there are the exceptions where Nokia actually has impressively nice software, that they would want to hold on to :) May 09 19:18:52 derf: Well, I meant the former, more general definition :) May 09 19:19:38 the main differentiation of the tablets is they're open source May 09 19:19:40 RST38h: I loved the part of brazil where they billed the costs of the interrogation from the person being interrogated :) May 09 19:19:43 ShadowJK, yes, exactly. May 09 19:19:47 mavhc: the N8x0 are not May 09 19:19:54 ...ish May 09 19:19:57 for icd the opensource argument is kinda silly anyway.. there's nm, and there are no big obstacles for writing a new nm or icd.. May 09 19:20:06 suihkulokki: AFAIK, UK actually charges convicts incarceration fees, so they weren't that far off May 09 19:20:28 "come one, the longer it gates o take information from you, the more it's going to cost you" :P May 09 19:20:29 new nm isn't half bad. if you look at the code. May 09 19:20:30 nm-applet works; I see no reason why people hate it May 09 19:20:36 mavhc, try "not tivo-ized" :) May 09 19:20:37 * b-man needs to wget -r his site lol May 09 19:20:39 yeah, I dont' care about ICD-- it's not necessary and can be trashed May 09 19:20:39 nm-applet needs polishing. May 09 19:20:50 what other similar device are you going to buy? it's the most open source that's available May 09 19:20:57 Stskeeps, such as? May 09 19:20:58 mavhc: SmartQ 5 May 09 19:21:28 on the other hand, if you look at open source -and- quality, nokia'd win :P May 09 19:21:38 LiraNuna: i bet it have been a shitload of work to make it work on tablets. Someone please tell me if i'm correct :P May 09 19:21:48 what does SmartQ use for connecting to network? May 09 19:21:53 Stskeeps: no, because the only real quality in Nokia's is closed May 09 19:21:55 luke-jr: which shop can I get it from? May 09 19:22:00 suihkulokki, wlan, closed firmware ;) May 09 19:22:04 mavhc: no idea May 09 19:22:12 actually... May 09 19:22:16 suihkulokki: their original firmware uses marvell sd8686 and WICD May 09 19:22:36 (libertas_sdio) May 09 19:22:47 are there ANY wlan chips with non-closed firmware (and no, things that "don't need" firwmare don't count) May 09 19:22:48 ah May 09 19:22:55 ShadowJK: i'm not sure really May 09 19:23:21 so not available, next! May 09 19:23:30 mavhc: the pandora guy has them, seemingily May 09 19:23:51 there is a open source firmware for b43 wifi cards May 09 19:23:59 ShadowJK: supposedly the Atheros has its "firmware" in the kernel code May 09 19:24:03 there is just one catch May 09 19:24:16 ..it doesn't _work_ yet :) May 09 19:24:29 luke-jr, and it isn't just a char firmware[] = { 0x80, 0x80, 0xff, 0xff } etc? May 09 19:24:40 ShadowJK: no, it's actual C code May 09 19:24:42 http://www.gbax.com/smartq5.html as well as http://www.eletroworld.cn/ May 09 19:24:52 * Stskeeps hugs his donated one May 09 19:25:01 they're -excellent- hacking devices May 09 19:25:05 luke-jr, what the hell is that doing in the kernel then... and how do they compile it for whatever CPU/microcontroller sits in the wireless chipset? :) May 09 19:25:09 Sts: Is your gf ok with that? =) May 09 19:25:23 ShadowJK: there is no CPU/microcontroller in the wireless chipset, supposedly May 09 19:25:26 ShadowJK, I think the TI ones in the next tablets are pretty close, but I'm not sure. May 09 19:25:27 RST38h: after she got a 770 and that she'll have it when i'm done with it, yeah May 09 19:25:28 :P May 09 19:25:30 ShadowJK: it actually runs in the kernel May 09 19:25:54 I guess it's either hardcoded in the chip and not upgradeable, or in an eeprom in/near the chip then :) May 09 19:26:59 ShadowJK: well, the kernel stuff apparently does what most wifi chips use firmware for May 09 19:27:10 "The Broadcom wireless chip needs software, called "firmware", that runs on the wireless chip itself during operation. This firmware is copyrighted by Broadcom and it must be extracted from Broadcom's proprietary drivers" May 09 19:27:14 That's about b43 :) May 09 19:27:30 So at best you've got a copy of the binary firmware in the kernel somewhere May 09 19:27:45 is it bad? May 09 19:28:01 That depends on who you ask May 09 19:28:18 * suihkulokki points ShadowJK to http://lwn.net/Articles/314313/ May 09 19:28:28 As long as it is ok with Broadcom, I do not see where the problem is May 09 19:28:30 apparently there's a smartq 7 now May 09 19:28:56 yeah, same hw, different battery, buttons and LCD May 09 19:28:59 but that's about that May 09 19:29:07 * Stskeeps has bootloader sources, kernel sources, etc :P May 09 19:29:11 ARM11 is so 2007. :P May 09 19:29:25 hehe May 09 19:29:37 what will happen when arm reach version 86? May 09 19:29:37 lol May 09 19:29:51 mavhc, the world will implode. May 09 19:29:57 ARM86? lol May 09 19:29:59 it will first have to reach 68 and 80 May 09 19:30:08 RST38h, it's not redistributable, users have to extract hte firmware themselves... but even if it was, the broadcom firmware is still closed source (unless you use the one suihkulokki pasted) May 09 19:30:26 so at this count there's like... one wlan chip in the world that has open firmware available :) May 09 19:31:04 ShadowJK: Then it is an issue that has to be resolved with Broadcom May 09 19:31:40 This just demonstrates it's nearly impossible to make a device which satisfies everybody's idea of open :) May 09 19:32:00 on the other hand, a device that's down to simply sd8686_*.bin, is kinda neat May 09 19:32:12 That's not everybody's, it is RMS' absolutist idea of open May 09 19:32:29 problem with RMS is he's always right, in the long run May 09 19:32:45 I am dead in the long run, so I do not care May 09 19:33:27 luke-jr: the atheros chips offer a very low level interface to the wlan hardware, but that has a price -> every wlan activity wakes up cpu and pci bus -> bad from power managment pov May 09 19:33:37 As to him being right, there are SO many ways the world can fuck you up, that the software becomes a miniscule, unimportant part of it May 09 19:34:42 as for my opintion.. non-free firmware is ok as long it's legally redistributable May 09 19:34:57 same here May 09 19:35:00 * ShadowJK too May 09 19:35:54 It's simple too specific for the hardware in question to be useful in generic OSS context May 09 19:36:00 GA, I fixed my post, settle down ;) May 09 19:36:31 can this "pandora guy" be trusted?... May 09 19:36:37 need to get on with making osh May 09 19:36:46 ShadowJK: i will ask the smartq guys for a list of vendors outside china. May 09 19:36:54 please do May 09 19:37:14 do you know anything about the graphics in it? May 09 19:37:17 interesting, I recently saw a old tv manual - it came with with full schematics in case you wanted to fix it yourself May 09 19:37:38 haha May 09 19:37:46 If I could get Xv working on it, it'd be a faster media player than N8x0 :-) May 09 19:38:29 ShadowJK: there's drivers for some codec stuff if you look hard enough on the web May 09 19:38:31 probably not so legal May 09 19:38:34 suihkulokki, heh yeah. Alot of the industrial stuff we have at work has schematics inside, it really saves time when diagnosing stuff May 09 19:38:49 my bbc computer came with a circuit diagram May 09 19:40:02 well, Xv gives 30-50% CPU offload (depending on codec, res, bitrate, framerate of course), and it's not about implementing complex video decoding algorithms on crummy bothersome DSPs either :) May 09 19:40:27 offload vs which other method? May 09 19:42:13 vs doing YUV->RGB, scale to fullscreen and dump to framebuffer May 09 19:42:16 in cpu May 09 19:42:49 what if the movie is rgb? May 09 19:43:04 is there such a thing? May 09 19:43:11 and scaling has often been done even for native rgb (at least here) by hardware May 09 19:43:11 Then you're living in 1985 May 09 19:44:27 incidentally ShadowJK even faster than xv would be using the framebuffer itself - xv has to do a whole planar conversion before sending it May 09 19:44:54 if you can supply the yuv data pre-interleaved in the correct format then you dont need the conversion May 09 19:45:11 Yeah... mplayer on N8x0 does the planar conversion itself and sends direct to the yuv framebuffer May 09 19:45:28 thank god for it though :D May 09 19:45:44 i wouldv hated doing interleaved direct pixel writes May 09 19:45:54 sts mentioned smartq5 is running dumb fb though, so that's why I asked May 09 19:46:14 at least it's not blizzard.. May 09 19:46:57 Without some yuv->rgb acceleration it'll likely be slower than N810 for video anyway, even with the faster CPU that it has :) May 09 19:46:58 Stskeeps, using mer as a test bed, hows performance on it May 09 19:47:00 generally May 09 19:47:07 lcuk: .. good, booted in 30 seconds or so May 09 19:47:18 I feel like we should be able to play Starcraft or something on our tablets. . . . May 09 19:47:22 crysis? May 09 19:47:27 does that indicate better memory access only tho May 09 19:47:33 lcuk: i'm not sure really May 09 19:47:41 Stskeeps, boot time benchmarks are cute. :P May 09 19:47:43 i'll push more testing at it when we have the first straight-from-box working May 09 19:47:49 you need some quantitiave benchmarks May 09 19:47:52 yeah May 09 19:48:15 I'm guessing it would be faster at pushing RGB pixmaps though May 09 19:48:15 boottimes have been going up and up since the spectrum May 09 19:48:37 wont know till its hacked about with May 09 19:49:10 wheres the latest mer image May 09 19:49:28 in process of building May 09 19:49:51 k May 09 19:50:44 we build everything upon a release, to make sure it's 100% consistent in terms of api and abi and so on May 09 19:50:54 we found several packages that had gone out of date cos of fremantle updates May 09 19:51:08 understood totally :) May 09 19:51:33 can i just run an upgrade from whatever i have when you push the next one? May 09 19:52:03 no sorry :/ we're breaking things quite hard so May 09 19:52:07 but it's for the better May 09 19:52:52 Stskeeps: btw, is mer using fremantle's matchbox wm or diablo's? --- dum question May 09 19:53:32 anybody here have a ps3? May 09 19:53:55 * b-man hasn't looked at the source for a while :P May 09 19:54:01 *in May 09 19:54:47 b-man: that's a very good question. May 09 19:54:51 Stskeeps, please dont apologise for working hard :) you are doing excellent work May 09 19:54:52 no, we don't use clutter May 09 19:54:55 Stskeeps, how's the Fremantle beta stuff by the way? May 09 19:54:57 hm May 09 19:55:05 was wondering what kind of video filetypes a ps3 would play May 09 19:55:10 GAN8001: looked at it and way too many ties to nokia-binaries May 09 19:55:16 i'll lodge a proper bug report eventually. May 09 19:55:16 Bleh May 09 19:55:18 does it support playing .mpg files that have been transcoded from mkv? May 09 19:55:26 or do the files have to be .vob? May 09 19:55:39 Macer, you have ubuntu on it rignt? May 09 19:55:45 no May 09 19:55:52 it's not my ps3 May 09 19:55:53 k May 09 19:56:00 i was talkinga bout the stock ps3 firmware May 09 19:56:24 i know it can handle divx stuff.. but i don't know what to convert to in order for it to use high def May 09 19:56:29 Macer: ps3 will play a proprietary Sony format which will actually be an encrypted animated gif May 09 19:56:48 but i have heard that they can play .vob files in high def May 09 19:57:03 With decryption keys drawn on a special pad accessory in blood May 09 19:57:08 lol May 09 19:57:16 frefreshed weekly isnt it May 09 19:57:20 http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/2_60/video/filetypes.html May 09 19:57:20 -f May 09 19:57:23 lcuk: of course May 09 19:57:37 lcuk: everybody LOVES the subscription business model! May 09 20:00:50 GAN800: thanks... but it doesn't say which extnsion it should have.. but i will just give her 2 different versions May 09 20:00:53 i'm sure mpg or vob will work on it May 09 20:01:25 thanks a lot though :) mkv2vob is supposed to do all the converting for you automatically May 09 20:01:26 any GTK coders in the house I can ask stupid questions for some hours? May 09 20:01:51 Try but can't guarantee May 09 20:02:39 i need to right-align a container (actually, the systray) May 09 20:03:00 (which in mer is not a matchbox item, but an actual gtk container) May 09 20:04:12 a moment May 09 20:04:21 inside what do you align it? May 09 20:05:09 well, it's actually the items within the statusbar container i want to align i guess May 09 20:05:33 ok May 09 20:05:41 we have a fixed width and the items need to right-align May 09 20:06:11 GA, your ball, I got to go shopping though, be back later :) May 09 20:06:15 GtkStatusbar? May 09 20:06:48 RST38h: nah, hmm .. May 09 20:07:16 gtk_container_set_focus_hadjustment May 09 20:07:47 gtk_container_set_focus_hadjustment(GtkContainer *,GtkAdjustment *) May 09 20:07:58 The first one should point to your container May 09 20:08:35 The second one is created with gtk_adjustment_new() May 09 20:09:25 yeah.. and the adjustment parameters look a bit like black magic :) May 09 20:10:00 Will crack these in a moment May 09 20:10:32 there seems also to be some Alignment widget, but it may not work that well with containers? May 09 20:13:08 Ok, I seem to know what hadjustment is May 09 20:13:38 It is the min/max size of the spacer May 09 20:14:06 If it does not work, insert GtkAlignemt into the container May 09 20:14:18 * Meiz_n810 thinks ubuntu-MID had it right aligned May 09 20:14:28 *nod* May 09 20:17:26 Meiz_n810: what was your gallery url again? May 09 20:17:56 evening JamieBennett May 09 20:18:00 http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki May 09 20:18:03 thanks May 09 20:18:12 evening Stskeeps May 09 20:18:42 Stskeeps: oh, looking for the old one? May 09 20:18:49 hey ho jb May 09 20:19:00 Meiz_n810: yeah May 09 20:19:01 Hi lcuk :D May 09 20:19:04 http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb May 09 20:19:42 Meiz_n810: http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/MaemoReconstructed#5266271949592510178 looks left aligned to me May 09 20:20:17 yes, it seems to be May 09 20:21:04 sorry for wasting your time May 09 20:21:19 * Meiz_n810 should get some sleep now May 09 20:21:29 ah, don't have to say sorry :) May 09 20:21:33 i just like to verify before digging in code May 09 20:21:42 :) May 09 20:21:44 night all May 09 20:21:59 nite meiz \o May 09 20:37:07 lumo Not at the moment but maybe in the future May 09 20:37:15 damn, wrong window :) May 09 21:10:59 RST38h: turns out that i can̈́'t even do alignment, it's some insane panel thing :) May 09 21:12:17 Mmm? May 09 21:12:24 You can always insert a spacer, can't you? May 09 21:13:19 * RST38h is at a balcony, observing a perfect conclusion to the holiday: 100m flame from a blown gas pipeline at the southwest May 09 21:13:42 what, no pictures? May 09 21:14:02 Mmm, I can probably shoot one, but am too lazy to do it May 09 21:15:05 There is a minor disadvantage of some highrise blocking most of the flame from the line of sight, but it is large enough for the show anyway May 09 21:17:03 Ah, cool, it also blew up a gas station May 09 21:17:32 Here is your picture: http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg May 09 21:17:47 holy fuck! May 09 21:17:58 lol May 09 21:18:10 RIAN guys obviously got a better viewing spot May 09 21:19:10 its mordor http://images.epilogue.net/users/timovihola/mordor.jpg May 09 21:19:55 lcuk: Little Mordor indeed May 09 21:20:35 accidental leak or arson? May 09 21:20:46 RST38h: got a bigger pic .. would make a good Mer background... May 09 21:20:49 News say "explosion", so who knows May 09 21:21:00 actually, whichever it is - its an excuse for energy companies to put prices up again May 09 21:21:03 lbt: Wait until tomorrow, I will get you one :) May 09 21:21:09 :) May 09 21:21:16 naah, there is enough of this crap here =) May 09 21:21:39 RST38h: wow May 09 21:21:39 RST38h: http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg <-- open source BME attempt? May 09 21:21:59 overclocking issue May 09 21:22:18 * lcuk goes back to peeking at swig May 09 21:23:17 Amateur fireworks experiment gone terribly wrong. May 09 21:23:32 potent beanfest May 09 21:26:54 all right, May 09 21:28:49 any maemo.org admin here? May 09 21:28:59 X-Fade: PING May 09 21:30:09 thopiekar, what is the issue? May 09 21:31:03 no issueses I just want you to remove a project and rename another or to remove both.. :) May 09 21:31:34 may I ask on whose authority we would do such a thing? May 09 21:32:05 on the project owner's authority :) May 09 21:32:57 thopiekar, the admins work regular office hours most of the time, you'll have more chance to catch 'em during the week, rather than a saturday night May 09 21:33:10 k May 09 21:34:21 .log setup :Stable and :Stable:HW:* series projects May 09 21:34:54 lbt, merbot is that way >>>>>>>> May 09 21:35:04 * lbt is sleepy May 09 21:35:09 heh May 09 21:35:13 \o qwerty May 09 21:35:21 how do you know how my tabs are laid out? May 09 21:35:31 alphabetical i should hope ;) May 09 21:35:42 hah - not even close! May 09 21:41:15 hmm, not high enough res for a good background, coulda woulda May 09 21:42:03 fireun, strikingly similar pic http://lfm.mit.edu/blog/drewhill/files/nuclear-explosion.jpg May 09 21:45:34 lcuk, you are working with swig for bindings ? or is other stuff :P May 09 21:46:03 just thinking and wondering :) May 09 21:47:08 VDVsx, i got a bit of a binary together http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 :) makes testing easier but its buggy n stuff May 09 21:48:53 lcuk, cool, I thought we will have python bindings when you mentioned swig :P May 09 21:49:32 hm May 09 21:49:55 well the api for the library is hardening nicely now and im just wondering if its possible May 09 21:53:04 lcuk, for python bindings cython is better/simple than swig IMHO :) May 09 21:53:49 im not interested in the bindings themselves, im trying to find out if theres anything specific that might make like easier in the future with it May 09 21:54:12 ie a little time now pre-prearing the api and arguments etc could make life much easier in future May 09 21:54:33 lcuk, ah ok :) May 09 21:56:31 lcuk, write some simple docs with the available api, it will probably give you a different picture May 09 22:22:58 VDVsx, you did not just tell lcuk what to do, did you? May 09 22:24:14 in a relative time dimension, obviously, "just" being relative to the space between my mouse cursor and your line of text on the screen May 09 22:24:55 win 31 May 09 22:25:18 crashanddie, Is just a suggestion May 09 22:25:55 then phrase it like one May 09 22:26:03 "you might want to consider..." May 09 22:26:16 "I've heard of projects where ..." May 09 22:26:33 Nobody tells the guv what to do. May 09 22:27:32 tracy would beg to differ May 09 22:27:48 yeah, but Tracy is your wife May 09 22:27:51 hardly "Nobody" May 09 22:28:07 sorry lcuk, not my intention :( May 09 22:28:08 how are you now you are home? May 09 22:28:08 plus, she's wearing the one wearing the pants at home May 09 22:28:28 does maemo always think theres no connection when it cant resolv its own adress from a DNS server? May 09 22:28:33 s/wearing // May 09 22:28:33 crashanddie meant: plus, she's the one wearing the pants at home May 09 22:28:34 VDVsx, i know its not documented, but that is in part what summer is for :) May 09 22:29:20 locutus, context? May 09 22:29:35 crashanddie: when using the connection manager May 09 22:29:48 lcuk, I arrived at my residence nearly 9 hours ago May 09 22:30:08 locutus, mind being more specific? Use case? May 09 22:30:24 but you dont settle in until your feet are on the desk and you areo n your Nth beer May 09 22:31:01 "you don't settle in." <-- fixed May 09 22:31:07 don't forget, I hate this place May 09 22:31:20 good point May 09 22:31:59 this finger tampon is driving me nuts May 09 22:32:12 is that an oephemism? May 09 22:32:34 s/oe/eu/ May 09 22:32:35 crashanddie meant: is that an euphemism? May 09 22:32:36 its turned fluffy May 09 22:33:03 keeps catchin on my stubble and its a big long white thing with string attached May 09 22:33:09 its a finger tampon :| May 09 22:33:14 1/ shave May 09 22:33:21 2/ don't use it as a tampon May 09 22:33:27 agreed on #2 May 09 22:33:29 3/ stop fingering everything around you May 09 22:33:31 but i cant get it wet May 09 22:33:35 its hard to shave with one hand May 09 22:33:45 hard to shave with one hand? May 09 22:33:52 How many hands do you need? May 09 22:34:01 you're a lefty, stop complaining, chop chop May 09 22:34:13 * lcuk slaps u May 09 22:34:41 oi!, I still weigh probably double your weight, and I know where you get pissed May 09 22:35:05 heh ive been there once! May 09 22:35:25 i also nearly fell over the edge- its like rock climbing in there May 09 22:35:32 well I'll track the fluffy bits of tampon on the trains to find ya May 09 22:35:38 heh May 09 22:36:05 and bribe enrique fans with loud tunes to tell me where you got off May 09 22:36:07 (the train) May 09 22:36:38 oh, thats easy jake could tell you every single station lol May 09 22:36:48 he loves goin on the train May 09 22:37:41 quite funny, on the train back home, I see this (not too bad looking mum) get on, with a portable baby-transporter (can't remember the name) May 09 22:38:15 anyway, she sits down in front of me, and some dude sits down next to her, they speak english, but she has this accent that sounds so familiar May 09 22:38:48 she gets her baby, and starts speaking french to the kid, but not the usual kind of french, not just regular french, the accent I detected becomes more distinct May 09 22:39:42 :) May 09 22:40:11 baby-transporter == pram May 09 22:40:19 I look up from my laptop screen, and ask --speaking french-- if she's from Jodoigne or Wavre in Belgium, she smiles and then realises what I just asked May 09 22:40:21 tho transporter sounds scifi lol May 09 22:40:37 her eyes grow wide, and her smile disappears May 09 22:41:22 ? May 09 22:41:50 the dude doesn't like it, and asks her what I just said (he sounded pretty british), she just replies "I don't know who you are, but you shouldn't stalk people like that, or at least introduce yourself" May 09 22:42:40 I don't get it, she then continues, "where do you know me from?" I explain I recognised her accent, she didn't believe me, they actually changed to the next coach May 09 22:43:00 oooer May 09 22:43:05 gotta love how people trust ya these days... Do I really look that harmful? May 09 22:43:22 no but you do look official lol May 09 22:43:30 oh feck off May 09 22:43:54 what's the page for the wiki on how to clone the to an sd card? May 09 22:44:10 Bobbe, please start making sense May 09 22:44:36 there's a wiki page with detailed on how to clone maemo to an sd card May 09 22:44:37 Bobbe, or find the wiki page about english grammar, whichever is more important to you. May 09 22:44:46 *detailed info May 09 22:44:56 I missed one word, crashanddie May 09 22:45:07 crashanddie, a better speaker of the language would have caught it May 09 22:45:10 but never mind May 09 22:45:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card May 09 22:45:23 actually, you missed multiple words in consecutive sentences ;) May 09 22:45:40 hi May 09 22:45:48 shurrup i understood him May 09 22:45:51 hiya thopiekar_tablet May 09 22:45:56 thanks lcuk May 09 22:46:02 yw :) May 09 22:46:07 is it possible to mount a ftp-server on my tablet? May 09 22:46:12 Bobbe, and I'll challenge you to my English skills any time of the day ;) May 09 22:46:14 dont see why not May 09 22:46:15 hi lcuk :) May 09 22:46:58 crashanddie, I won't deign to answer that, sorry. I'm older than 12 May 09 22:47:24 thopiekar_tablet, I don't know if there's any software readily available, would scp not fulfil your needs? May 09 22:48:01 Bobbe, sure you are :) May 09 22:48:31 damn May 09 22:48:36 thopiekar_tablet, proftpd seems to be available May 09 22:48:40 i forgot to erase your whiteboard May 09 22:48:55 makes it possible to mount the ftp on the root-fs? May 09 22:49:19 oh, and by the way, fulfill is double-l May 09 22:49:34 the root-fs of my tablet.. May 09 22:51:20 Bobbe, single L is british english, kthxbai :) May 09 22:51:34 which ur not May 09 22:51:50 ok, me out May 09 22:52:05 and I'm not allowed to speak British English based on what grounds? May 09 22:52:26 I should speak American English because I wasn't born on some ground part of the UK? May 09 22:53:03 cu l8er May 09 22:53:08 thopiekar_tablet, take care May 09 22:53:16 (sleep'n) May 09 22:53:37 thopiekar_tablet, you should be able to mount a partition over SSH also, just FYI :) May 09 22:53:46 thopiekar_tablet, have a good one May 09 22:54:04 thx , crashanddie May 09 23:15:52 is there something similar to nano (or the old pico) for the n800? I personally find vi quite annoying May 09 23:16:46 there's nano May 09 23:16:50 enable extras, get root, apt-get install nano May 09 23:19:35 Thx May 09 23:27:18 the top-10 download list on garage is scary :-) May 09 23:28:06 link? May 09 23:29:33 https://garage.maemo.org/ May 09 23:29:52 that python for s60 has shot up to second place in just a few weeks :) May 09 23:30:00 GAH May 09 23:30:03 the Japanese again May 09 23:30:27 lol May 09 23:55:54 why is it on maemo.org? May 09 23:56:04 dunno :) May 09 23:56:07 it was on sourceforge before May 10 00:04:18 is there no policy to remove such projects from maemo.org? May 10 00:05:05 too late now :) May 10 00:05:30 really? May 10 00:05:44 Because the way I see it, 80k downloads at 20meg a pop is going to be quite costly in bandwidth May 10 00:06:14 yes well, if nokia puts it somewhere else it's still nokia's bandwidth bill... May 10 00:06:33 doesn't matter May 10 00:06:33 crashanddie, eh, Nokia's footing the bills. May 10 00:06:41 each project has its own budget May 10 00:07:06 * GeneralAntilles has IKEA shellshock May 10 00:07:24 heh gan why May 10 00:07:24 you think maemo and opensource are in different "projects"? :-) May 10 00:07:41 lcuk, spent a couple hours wandering around a giant one today. May 10 00:07:45 you really think the ministry of defence can just use up $20 million from the health ministry's budget and go "well, it's the US paying anyway" May 10 00:08:05 ShadowJK, yes, I do, and I know. May 10 00:08:06 GeneralAntilles, they are all giant ones, the missus has one rule when we go - if you can carry if, you can have it May 10 00:08:14 i've seen her like a frikkin packhorse tho May 10 00:09:01 crashanddie, one might look at it as giving tekojo more ammo to get a bigger server budget, too. ;) May 10 00:09:20 But, whatever, S60 stuff really doesn't belong on Garage. May 10 00:09:29 lcuk, biggest in the southeast US, I think. May 10 00:10:19 GeneralAntilles, and one might look at it and go "fuck me, that maemo project really is expensive, let them pay for their own webserver, we don't have to host their stupid pet projects, kill the garage" May 10 00:12:15 actually, just to prove a point, I'm going to download the whole garage website right now. May 10 00:13:17 lol May 10 00:41:57 is the extras repo working? May 10 00:42:25 app manager updates it and says it's ok, but apt-get install nano says no such package May 10 00:42:45 and I don't see it in apt-get update, tho it's in the repo's list in the app manager May 10 00:43:22 nano works fine in Gentoo <.< May 10 00:44:37 never tried gentoo ;). is the takes-two-days-to-install thing true? May 10 00:45:54 hm May 10 00:45:58 downloading the android src May 10 00:46:03 just to get my bt keyboard to work on it May 10 00:46:04 wtf :) May 10 00:47:39 Bobbe: depends on how you install it May 10 00:47:58 Bobbe: if yuo want the full KDE 4.2 from source, it'll take at least 2 days on a N810 May 10 00:48:19 apt-cache search nano May 10 00:48:19 ? May 10 00:51:19 just a sec ShadowJK May 10 00:51:36 luke-jr, ur running gentoo on a n800? May 10 00:51:46 and also what version OS do you have installed? Control panel -> About product May 10 00:51:58 Diablo 43-7 May 10 00:52:03 hm May 10 00:52:09 Bobbe: yeah May 10 00:52:23 cool ;) May 10 00:52:25 videos? May 10 00:52:52 maybe it's in the sdk repo :/ May 10 01:01:39 the bizarre thing is that I don't see anything about maemo.repository.org/extras in apt-get update May 10 01:02:47 what's the file with the repos? The one I can edit manually? Something .list, I guess, don't remember May 10 01:08:34 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager'list May 10 01:08:38 s/'/./ May 10 01:08:40 GAN8001 meant: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list May 10 01:10:17 Bobbe: videos of what? May 10 01:11:13 gentoo on the n800 May 10 01:11:38 Bobbe: why? it's just like Gentoo on anything else May 10 01:11:59 does the keyboard work? May 10 01:12:19 to some large degree May 10 01:12:35 lol May 10 01:14:13 wait May 10 01:14:14 n800 May 10 01:14:18 you don't *have* a keyboard May 10 01:17:39 lol May 10 01:17:56 that's a fairly bold statement :) May 10 01:19:26 GeneralAntilles, it's getting rather late here in London, and I can't remember what about, but there is something I need to talk to you about May 10 01:20:03 and my prose is starting to make as much sense as a french cancan May 10 01:20:58 GeneralAntilles, so give me a shout when you're up and about tomorrow, hopefully my old brain will have recovered May 10 01:21:02 take care gents, have a good one May 10 01:22:26 crashanddie, later. May 10 01:43:27 hm. i downloaded win7 May 10 01:43:30 anybody here try it? May 10 01:55:20 sinner May 10 01:57:13 bye May 10 02:14:53 lol May 10 02:14:56 I did Macer May 10 02:15:02 pretty decent, compared to vista May 10 02:15:11 (which is not saying much, really) May 10 02:36:02 Macer: yup tried it, its better than vista but it doesn't beat linux **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 10 02:59:57 2009