**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 10 02:59:57 2009 May 10 03:09:45 i can't install wizard-mount in my N800. someone help me ? May 10 03:16:59 e em português, será que alguém pode me ajudar ??? May 10 04:49:08 hmm, anyone around? May 10 04:49:54 * b-man May 10 04:50:15 xd May 10 04:50:24 lol May 10 04:50:56 * xnt14 May 10 04:50:59 xD May 10 04:51:05 l7 Yup May 10 04:51:07 May 10 04:51:12 May 10 04:51:20 XD May 10 04:51:25 * xnt14 XD May 10 04:51:30 * xnt14 May 10 04:51:49 wtf May 10 04:51:56 * b-man OMHLOLROFL May 10 04:51:58 Yandere, you two monkeys May 10 04:52:15 luke-jr: were working on a project :P May 10 04:52:24 bs flooding? May 10 04:52:34 eitehr way, it's a bad excuse May 10 04:52:49 no in a private message xD May 10 04:53:05 *window May 10 04:53:06 b-man just posted randomly i guess May 10 04:53:11 xD May 10 04:53:17 XD May 10 04:53:31 cool, it felt too quiet May 10 04:53:55 btw luke-jr what do you suggest as a codename for a project? May 10 04:54:05 Pizzaz May 10 04:54:12 :P xd May 10 04:54:20 b-man what do you think? May 10 04:54:37 XP May 10 04:54:42 mm May 10 04:54:59 NOT XP May 10 04:55:18 lol May 10 04:55:19 :P May 10 04:55:22 rofl May 10 05:00:31 I've got a name for a project that will guarantee that it will not fail May 10 05:00:50 ok May 10 05:01:00 what? May 10 05:01:01 Foobar May 10 05:01:02 is it? May 10 05:01:05 xD May 10 05:01:14 lolololololol May 10 05:01:17 "Test" May 10 05:01:29 ^ lol May 10 05:01:29 I really loled after that May 10 05:01:30 "Prototype" May 10 05:01:39 again \/ May 10 05:01:42 brb May 10 05:01:56 ^ \o/ ^ May 10 05:03:27 ok ok May 10 05:03:28 for real May 10 05:03:32 "FinishMeOrDie" May 10 05:03:44 XD May 10 05:06:47 Ok I have to go to sleep May 10 05:08:34 WAKE UP May 10 05:08:37 lol May 10 05:08:41 as you were :) May 10 05:09:17 * b-man is bored May 10 05:09:20 >>>RANDOM>(-^-) lol May 10 05:09:37 ( . ) ( . ) May 10 05:09:39 lol May 10 05:10:26 _ May 10 05:10:26 | |_ __ ___ __ _ ___ May 10 05:10:26 | | '_ ` _ \ / _` |/ _ \ May 10 05:10:26 | | | | | | | (_| | (_) | May 10 05:10:26 |_|_| |_| |_|\__,_|\___/ May 10 05:10:31 <(o.o)><(o.o<) May 10 05:10:36 lol May 10 05:11:11 (Δ_Δ) May 10 05:11:16 LAEMO ? May 10 05:11:28 :) May 10 05:11:37 (Ω_Ω) lol May 10 05:12:25 (•)_(•) May 10 05:12:39 nice :) May 10 05:12:41 heh May 10 05:12:43 ROFL May 10 05:12:59 5 beers :) May 10 05:13:24 * b-man doesn't drink beer - he's 16 May 10 05:13:31 I used to be able to drink 12 beers and 12 shots before making boobs on IRC :) May 10 05:13:38 lol May 10 05:14:05 wher r u ? May 10 05:14:25 Bowling Green, Ohio May 10 05:14:36 so its 1:14 here too May 10 05:14:39 so its 1:14 there too May 10 05:14:53 about 136 miles from you lol May 10 05:14:55 yup May 10 05:15:11 I just sent my 16 year old to bed May 10 05:15:26 he is probably on IRC on his Itouch May 10 05:15:33 Jacob ? May 10 05:15:34 hehe May 10 05:15:44 listening in lol May 10 05:16:20 is he ever on here? May 10 05:16:28 nope May 10 05:16:48 he is busy looking at lesbian porn, play halo, call of duty May 10 05:16:57 little shit May 10 05:16:59 all at the same time! May 10 05:17:00 lol May 10 05:17:36 I know your 16, but your gonna go blind :) May 10 05:17:37 all of this on his iPhone? May 10 05:17:51 nah lol May 10 05:17:53 he has laptop, itouch, xbox May 10 05:17:57 and frigid too May 10 05:18:44 * b-man allrety (sometimes) wares glasses May 10 05:18:53 Now, gentlemen, who wanted the pictures of our local Mount Doom? May 10 05:19:27 * b-man turns down his loud music May 10 05:20:31 Here, enjoy: http://top.rbc.ru/photoreport/10/05/2009/301274.shtml May 10 05:21:11 200m flame, etc. May 10 05:22:13 * b-man saw that earlier May 10 05:23:49 what is this? I can't read Consonants? May 10 05:25:09 gas pipeline explosion May 10 05:25:35 where? May 10 05:25:47 Southwest of Moscow May 10 05:26:24 accident, terror, unknown? May 10 05:26:36 Nobody knows yet but probably an accident May 10 05:28:37 middle of nowhere, or populated, people hurt? May 10 06:01:35 how do i edit bash on os2008 to be more like the bash on a current linux dist May 10 06:02:55 the most notable thing would be displaying current user@n810:~$pwd May 10 06:03:40 Impeachment. That's really some classy shit. . . . May 10 06:03:59 anyone knows what javascript engine does Tear use? May 10 06:08:01 Who gets impeached this time? May 10 06:08:25 Shadow: OS2008 has busybox, not bash May 10 06:08:45 Shadow: You can install real bash separately, although AFAIK there are several problems with that May 10 06:09:01 hmm i installed bash3 what issues are there May 10 06:09:32 Check ITT - there were a few discussions about it. I am not using bash, so can't comment in detail May 10 06:10:37 Ah, I see it, impeachment. May 10 06:11:11 also where can i find gcc and make May 10 06:11:17 also gnu readline library May 10 06:11:25 good question, let's see... May 10 06:11:39 I would start by checking Extras-Devel May 10 06:12:15 hmm i kinda recal that one being dangerous to mounted shares while using apt-get upgrade May 10 06:15:05 but you won't be using upgrade May 10 06:15:16 never upgrade with devel enabled May 10 06:15:44 yeah so i have learned May 10 06:15:45 :( May 10 06:15:54 also dont mount a share unless you need to May 10 06:17:00 I do not see how that would be affected May 10 06:17:23 well if a package on devel says to remove remote share May 10 06:17:31 it deletes it May 10 06:17:41 it deleted a TB of stuff May 10 06:17:53 Why would a good behaved package say that? May 10 06:18:06 because it was a bad mean one May 10 06:18:15 hiding as a nice one May 10 06:18:43 Shadow: Bring it up with X-Fade, he must know May 10 06:22:29 also os2008 is called diablo correct? May 10 06:22:59 yes May 10 06:24:36 also where can i find gcc and make // on the tablet? May 10 06:25:06 yes May 10 06:28:23 LiraNuna, yes May 10 06:33:02 .. and my wife took my tablet May 10 06:34:45 is that the only place make is located May 10 06:34:47 :) May 10 06:36:16 Shadow__X, are you trying to build something on the tablet itself? May 10 06:36:20 yes May 10 06:36:27 why not try to cross compile? May 10 06:36:43 ok sure how do i do that May 10 06:36:53 on your computer: May 10 06:37:04 no how do i compile for arm May 10 06:37:19 ./configure --build=arm-linux-gnueabi May 10 06:37:56 you need to have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc in your path May 10 06:38:13 what path May 10 06:38:19 $PATH May 10 06:38:28 you are on a linux host, right? May 10 06:38:30 ah ok so export it to that May 10 06:38:31 yes May 10 06:38:49 export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/maemo/sdk/gcc May 10 06:38:53 I think May 10 06:39:01 I'm on 64bit and don't have maemo sdk set up yet May 10 06:39:09 i dont have maemo sdk either May 10 06:39:14 * LiraNuna needs to compile gcc for arm-linux-gnueabi May 10 06:39:25 do you have arm-linux-gnueabi binutils and gcc? May 10 06:39:34 no May 10 06:39:57 I seriously need to setup a guide for that May 10 06:40:33 hmm May 10 06:40:53 so what does that mean for me then May 10 06:43:15 you got two choices May 10 06:43:19 well, three May 10 06:43:27 1) get the maemo sdk and use that as a cross compiler May 10 06:43:42 2) compile binutils and gcc for target arm-linux-gnueabi May 10 06:44:00 3) see if make/binutils/gcc are available for maemo May 10 06:44:15 whats the best one May 10 06:44:42 i just wanted to see microdc on my tablet as a proof that its plausible May 10 06:44:54 microdc? May 10 06:45:31 http://www.nongnu.org/microdc/ May 10 06:46:07 is that a pure command line tool? May 10 06:46:18 yes May 10 06:46:36 it's highly likely to work then May 10 06:47:50 ok well make binutils and gcc for the tablet using redpill mode May 10 06:47:57 but i also dont want to break my system May 10 06:48:18 I don't think installing binutils/gcc will break your tablet in any way May 10 06:48:27 it will just take a massive amount of time May 10 06:48:30 hmm right May 10 06:48:40 well i rather compile on my desktop then May 10 06:49:04 for that, you'd need a cross compiler May 10 06:49:12 maemo sdk provides one May 10 06:49:38 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4-1-2_diablo/ May 10 06:49:42 is that the right one May 10 06:50:44 I believe so May 10 06:50:55 sadly it does not work on 64bit systems, so I can't test it May 10 06:51:09 I could hack the installer script to pass the check, but who knows the implications May 10 06:51:22 i am running 64bit May 10 06:53:11 then I'm afraid you are stuck in my situation then... :( May 10 06:53:18 * LiraNuna retrieves gcc sources May 10 06:54:48 why cant the sdk run 64bit May 10 06:55:25 I'm not sure, the installer script complain it will only run on i386 (32bit) May 10 06:56:03 hmm May 10 06:56:56 sure, I could bypass the check, but I don't know what it does May 10 06:57:06 i will let you test first May 10 06:57:09 and I'd probably have to symlink a lot of libraries May 10 06:57:13 is e2fsprogs supposed to be in extras? May 10 06:57:22 I'd rather build a cross compiler May 10 06:57:58 how do you do that May 10 06:58:59 There are 64-bit deb -packages of scratchbox May 10 06:59:01 you set binutils/gcc to target arm-linux-gnueabi May 10 06:59:19 inz, what is scratchbox? all I want is a compiler May 10 07:00:18 LiraNuna, scratchbox is what maemo SDK uses to make cross compiling look like native compiling May 10 07:00:19 sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not used to SDKs, I'm a low level ARM hacker May 10 07:00:37 inz, ./configure --target=... won't work? May 10 07:00:52 --host/--build May 10 07:01:08 LiraNuna, that's what sbox tries to hide, all of it May 10 07:01:10 or is it designed to easy to use? May 10 07:01:14 ah May 10 07:01:19 so I can do it myself :D May 10 07:01:29 * LiraNuna is used to compiling his own toolchain May 10 07:01:42 LiraNuna, so you just run ./configure; make May 10 07:01:55 chroot? May 10 07:02:15 LiraNuna, yes, chroot and qemu thrown in at some places May 10 07:02:44 I see; I believe I'm experienced enough to do it the "hard" way May 10 07:03:02 You are free to shoot yourself in the leg ;) May 10 07:03:11 trust me I did it already May 10 07:03:21 I got ~7 cross compilers in my dev system May 10 07:03:39 "Good" for you May 10 07:03:43 haha May 10 07:05:28 uh so guys May 10 07:05:29 lol May 10 07:05:38 LiraNuna: the sandbox way seems like the "hard" way to me May 10 07:05:41 Shadow__X, I'm building a cross compiler, this may take time May 10 07:05:44 how do i compile microdc to run on my tablet May 10 07:05:45 k May 10 07:06:01 fireun1, sandbox as in scratchbox? May 10 07:06:24 scratchbox, sandbox, May 10 07:06:47 fireun1, I've never used the official SDK, so I don't know what it has May 10 07:07:06 I tried to use it, got frustrated by the silly sand/scratchbox approach May 10 07:07:08 Oh it has everything May 10 07:07:16 seemed like a pita to me May 10 07:07:21 * LiraNuna is oldschool May 10 07:08:06 my experience is just with embedded dev, so I always cross compiled for multiple targets May 10 07:09:13 but not like the maemo stuff May 10 07:09:33 * fireun1 sleeps() May 10 07:15:23 hmm do dropbear and openssh cause any conflicts? May 10 07:15:55 try probably try to listen on same port? :P May 10 07:17:40 Stskeeps, can i install the sdk on sdk May 10 07:17:58 waay to early for such a question :P May 10 07:18:22 fanoush's init_flasher script said could install dropbear for advanced network recovery May 10 07:18:22 sdk on 64bit sorry May 10 07:18:34 but maybe that's only located on the bootloader May 10 07:19:58 anyone with the official SDK here? May 10 07:20:12 official 'nuff May 10 07:20:39 Need som'n compiled for you? May 10 07:20:41 inz, can you paste the output of arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v for me, please? May 10 08:31:46 do these files exist on a plain http server anywhere : https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/releases/0.2/?root=bluemaemo May 10 08:32:00 ie not inside some html markup.... May 10 08:32:23 ask vdsvx i guess :) May 10 08:32:28 vdvsx May 10 08:32:59 goshawk asked for them :) May 10 08:36:12 i suspect it's in maemo extras so May 10 08:37:02 lbt: You wanted big pictures of the Mount Doom? May 10 08:37:49 the gas flare? May 10 08:37:53 yea May 10 08:38:01 Stskeeps: it's not in extras :( May 10 08:38:09 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/b/ May 10 08:38:10 http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1836568.html?#cutid1 and http://top.rbc.ru/photoreport/10/05/2009/301274.shtml May 10 08:39:07 RST38h: that one yesterday... was that yours? May 10 08:39:36 depends on what you mean by "mine" - I do not generally blow gas pipelines May 10 08:39:41 http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg May 10 08:39:50 heh May 10 08:40:14 yeah May 10 08:40:27 I like that one.... May 10 08:41:11 best one I've seen ;) May 10 11:37:56 Haiguise May 10 11:43:43 mornin chan, v6sa May 10 11:43:59 everyone gone out for sunday lunch? May 10 11:44:42 Dno May 10 11:47:22 * lcuk goes for coffee and bacon May 10 12:06:37 hola May 10 12:10:05 hi May 10 12:25:32 morning keesj May 10 14:35:23 Apple replaced practically everything in the machine and it still doesn't work. May 10 14:36:02 that can't be right May 10 14:36:06 it "just works" May 10 14:37:11 GeneralAntilles, which part doesnt work? May 10 14:37:17 the furry diceo n the mirror? May 10 14:37:39 lcuk, apparently they're ordering a new video card. May 10 14:37:59 what doesnt work tho? May 10 14:38:11 no use ordering or replacing the hard drive for a video problem etc May 10 14:38:41 lcuk, I think they're just guessing at this point. May 10 14:38:54 The only thing that's left to replace is the graphics card and RAM May 10 14:39:06 ok i am guessing to - what symptoms were you having May 10 14:39:26 lcuk, it took a piss all over itself. May 10 14:39:32 aaah, GA, just the man I wanted to see May 10 14:39:41 check the bladder unit then May 10 14:39:44 The inside of the case was coated with vital fluids. :P May 10 14:39:49 and make sure it knows how to open the bathroom door May 10 14:40:04 Ah, crashanddie, just the man I don't want to see? May 10 14:40:11 easier: don't put a door in the bathroom, very interesting when a girl moves in with ya May 10 14:40:29 dayum, don't you like me anymore :( May 10 14:41:19 its less interesting when that girl invites her mum over and she discovers you May 10 14:42:01 surely she wouldn't invite the mum to the communal place if the guy never met her before May 10 14:42:11 that's like rule number 3 in the "DON'T DO" list of relationships May 10 14:42:35 crashanddie, I'm not sure, that's why I put a question mark on the end. :P May 10 14:42:59 GeneralAntilles, I guess I answered that then, seeing I didn't put a question mark at the end of my sentence May 10 14:43:19 It also depends on what, exactly, you want to see me about. May 10 14:43:27 about a dog May 10 14:43:44 If it's the plantar warts, then I don't really need to hear about it. ;) May 10 14:45:28 GeneralAntilles, PM May 10 16:02:05 Hi Stskeeps May 10 16:03:02 'lo kozak :) May 10 16:04:12 Hows mer going... its been sometime since I used my baord! May 10 16:04:30 held up with work :( May 10 16:04:56 it's going fine :) meeting in copenhagen at the end of this month May 10 16:05:02 and we switched to opensuse build service totally May 10 16:05:05 no scratchbox May 10 16:20:41 oh cool new UI enhancements as well! Also heard QT might also come in at some point of time! May 10 16:21:17 in to what? May 10 16:21:34 into mer! May 10 16:21:36 no? May 10 16:21:43 it's already there.... May 10 16:22:06 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3508663122/ May 10 16:23:43 nice ... I think there was a thought that QT might not come in at all... may be a couple of months back May 10 16:24:21 heh - I wanted Shopper... so needed Qt ;) May 10 16:30:27 :) May 10 16:59:49 ive got an ssh session into the laptop, anyone know how do i show a message onto the desktop for the logged in user? May 10 17:00:01 its runnin ubuntu May 10 17:01:18 export DISPLAY=:0 and xmessage? :P May 10 17:01:52 ta Stskeeps :) May 10 17:09:51 moo sts, lcuk May 10 17:09:57 moo RST38h May 10 17:10:05 how's the gas pipeline? ended up in news here :P May 10 17:10:22 so far, no visible traces left May 10 17:11:06 one building damaged (a research institute), 12 cars burned, 5 people injured (motorists driving y when it blew). As far as I know, they turned the gas off. May 10 17:25:07 dramatic brackets, t][s][o ;) May 10 17:25:25 crud, connection issues... May 10 18:49:02 RST38h, \o May 10 18:49:08 (i have lag) May 10 18:49:10 * b-man notices that someone is trying to copy his profile on one of his websites again >.> May 10 18:49:26 why is it allwase me. May 10 18:49:31 xP May 10 18:49:38 split personality? May 10 18:49:55 when you think you are asleep your alter ego goes out and sets up random websites May 10 18:49:57 "When she makes contact with a human, she will immediately begin invading their abdominal area with her index finger through the navel. Upon making contact with some organ within the body of her victim (what organ she reaches for is unknown), SCP-106 will immediately explode with the force of a 20 kt nuclear bomb." May 10 18:50:13 lcuk: lol May 10 18:50:24 RST38h, how did they discover it was female? May 10 18:51:05 and does the explosion only occur because she *couldnt* find the organ she was expecting May 10 18:51:07 lcuk: I guess cctv footage is safe to watch May 10 18:51:21 also: "Additionally, she doesn't seem to be able to look directly up; whether this is a physical or mental incapability or merely an aversion to looking in that direction is unknown." May 10 18:51:51 * b-man does admit that he does have a split personality though May 10 18:52:12 b-man, i wouldv thought some of you would disagree May 10 18:53:11 b-man=b-man16=FireFox=FireFox16 May 10 18:53:33 b-man: you just try to score some of the freenode chicks, obviously. May 10 18:53:43 error L-VALUE cannot be assigned a result May 10 18:53:44 XD May 10 18:53:59 lcuk: lol May 10 18:54:12 u should use == for equality May 10 18:54:38 lcuk: your spending too much time writing c lol May 10 18:54:52 i do the same in visual basic, the compiler shouts at me May 10 18:55:14 i also have to curse quite often between different comment syntax May 10 18:56:48 main(){ b-man == b-man16 == firefox == firefox16 } May 10 18:56:52 lol May 10 18:58:04 * b-man has been teaching himself c for the past fuew days May 10 18:58:07 error, missing ; near } May 10 18:58:40 and theres other things, ur variable names are expressions :P May 10 18:58:41 #include May 10 18:58:51 main() May 10 18:58:58 { May 10 18:59:19 #define b-man b-man16 May 10 18:59:30 #define firefox firefox16 May 10 18:59:34 } May 10 19:00:12 now, if you manage to post that in #c and dont get disconnected from the internet you are a true god May 10 19:00:24 #define ; printf("Hello! I am line %d\n",__LINE__); May 10 19:00:51 hehe May 10 19:01:22 damn RST38h that would be good,but it breaks logic May 10 19:02:38 lcuk, compile this: May 10 19:03:03 #include May 10 19:03:23 main(){ May 10 19:03:33 int ch; May 10 19:03:58 arghhhhh i was thinking "wow hes learnt the right way to use { and }, then u go and screw it up by puttin it on the same line ;) May 10 19:04:05 int linecount = 0; May 10 19:04:25 int charcount = 0; May 10 19:04:48 while ( (ch = getchar()) != EOF) May 10 19:04:56 { May 10 19:05:09 charcount++; May 10 19:05:32 if (ch == '\n') May 10 19:05:46 linecount++; May 10 19:05:54 } May 10 19:06:18 printf("counted %d characters and %d lines.\n", charcount, linecount); May 10 19:06:26 } May 10 19:06:30 ok May 10 19:06:49 gcc lcc.c -o lcc May 10 19:07:10 touch test May 10 19:07:19 lcc and see what happens ;) May 10 19:07:35 pastebin. . . . May 10 19:08:04 come o, its a bit quiet :P May 10 19:08:15 hes just increasing the line count :D May 10 19:08:29 b-man, it gave me all sorts of errors May 10 19:08:37 what? May 10 19:08:49 it worked for me :P May 10 19:09:04 Why does every idiot think the 5800 is Nokia's first touchscreen phone? May 10 19:09:06 well i copied and pasted directly from irc May 10 19:09:19 cos it basically is isnt it? May 10 19:09:33 beautiful more c talk May 10 19:09:38 lcuk, hold on... May 10 19:09:43 b-man, dont May 10 19:09:54 i know what it does May 10 19:10:05 do you understand what it does thou May 10 19:10:05 GeneralAntilles: n8x0 isn't a phone :P May 10 19:10:08 thats more important May 10 19:10:10 i'm putting it in pastebin :P May 10 19:10:13 no May 10 19:10:13 General: Because 77xx did not succeed May 10 19:10:14 dont May 10 19:10:29 why? May 10 19:10:31 Stskeeps, what RST38h said, idiot. :P May 10 19:10:32 lcuk: [hint] 7710, 7720 May 10 19:10:32 hey b-man do you cross compile stuff for maemo May 10 19:10:36 ta rst May 10 19:10:43 kinda May 10 19:10:49 RST38h, sure, but they existed. ;) May 10 19:10:54 You don't think Hildon came out of nowhere? :) May 10 19:11:05 i wanted to cross compile microdc but dont know how May 10 19:11:37 * b-man compiles everything straight on his tablet May 10 19:11:38 GeneralAntilles: granted May 10 19:12:33 hmm how do i compile microdc on my desktop then run it on my tablet then May 10 19:13:06 64bit 2.6.28 kernel May 10 19:13:16 do you have scratchbox? May 10 19:13:22 nope May 10 19:13:38 you'll need to install that May 10 19:13:54 A B{A i;C i=0;i<100;i++)D G H i E F i;} May 10 19:14:07 ^ lol May 10 19:14:10 #define A int May 10 19:14:13 #define B main() May 10 19:14:18 #define C for ( May 10 19:14:22 #define D printf( May 10 19:14:26 #define E ); May 10 19:14:29 #define F return May 10 19:14:34 #define G "We've done this" May 10 19:14:37 #define H " %d times\n", May 10 19:14:46 stop. May 10 19:14:47 omg May 10 19:15:04 )))) May 10 19:15:14 -_- May 10 19:15:25 and yes, that compiles and runs May 10 19:16:21 ok scratchbox is installed May 10 19:16:30 pre-processor abuse is nothing new May 10 19:16:40 LiraNuna: how's re-building ubuntu going? May 10 19:16:53 hey, windows vista compiles cleanly too i bet May 10 19:17:12 b-man, I can't get right-click to work May 10 19:17:18 using mousetricks May 10 19:17:45 hmm May 10 19:18:06 scratchbox is installed how do i cross compile May 10 19:18:19 is libgtkstylus installed? May 10 19:18:22 have you got a knitting needle? May 10 19:18:53 b-man, don't think so, let me boot to it May 10 19:19:02 Shadow_X: i'll grab a link for instructions May 10 19:19:13 k thanks May 10 19:19:25 LiraNuna, how about you read what it says May 10 19:19:40 LiraNuna, instead of pointing out the obvious ;) May 10 19:19:46 crashanddie, ? May 10 19:19:57 LiraNuna> pre-processor abuse is nothing new May 10 19:20:06 it's not; I've seen worse May 10 19:20:14 like I said May 10 19:20:19 how about you read what the code spits out May 10 19:20:52 Shadow_X: http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node8/ -- hope this helps May 10 19:21:01 RST38h: you'll get a kick out of http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/10/nokia-cheesiness-featured-in-new-star-trek-movie/ May 10 19:21:20 b-man, also Fn key not working drives me insane May 10 19:21:31 I tried downgrading hal from mer repositories May 10 19:22:10 you might need to install mer's xserver-xorg-evdev package for Fn May 10 19:23:25 * b-man really needs to update xserver-xorg-evdev for ubuntu-n8x0 :P May 10 19:24:24 or start working on ubuntu based on http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://HW://N8x0/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/ May 10 19:25:05 dsp? May 10 19:25:16 are those sound drivers? May 10 19:26:09 digital signal processor? May 10 19:26:27 LiraNuna: not directly. loaders May 10 19:26:41 Stskeeps, in what way? loads them from initfs? May 10 19:29:16 hay xnt14 :) May 10 19:29:28 hay b-man :) May 10 19:54:07 RST38h, can you please remember to search before filing new bugs? I'm duping a lot of your recent ones. May 10 19:55:58 Sorry, I did make a search and none of them seemed to come up May 10 19:56:21 So I just went and filed bugs for any problems I found May 10 19:56:58 RST38h, keywords are a bitch May 10 19:57:14 I basically looked for oall open website bugs May 10 19:57:14 I'm may try to find out if we can use the whiteboard for more searchable bugs May 10 19:57:25 if you need any keywords, just ping May 10 19:57:34 Generating a list of open website bugs from the past x days might be good. May 10 19:57:50 andre__, well, can we use the whiteboard for Flickr style tagging? May 10 19:57:57 example? May 10 19:58:15 if you use the whiteboard i'd prefer to have namespaces (that was useful in gnome at least), but just convince me :) May 10 19:58:35 andre__, well, I'm open to whatever is the general practice May 10 19:58:41 As I don't know what's what. ;) May 10 19:58:52 heh. it's undefined for maemo.org bugzilla :-) May 10 19:58:58 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4351 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4499 May 10 19:59:02 Though May 10 19:59:03 flickr tagging means...? #tag ? May 10 19:59:14 Well, if GNOME has something that works well, then we should adopt it, I think May 10 19:59:30 My original summary for 4351 did not include any form of the word vote May 10 19:59:38 Which makes it hard for RST38h to find it when filing 4499 May 10 19:59:55 andre__, if a bug is about x, y and z, put x, y, and z in the whiteboard May 10 19:59:56 people should query for vot as it both covers vote and voting ;-))) May 10 20:00:14 english is broken because of gerunds... May 10 20:00:16 Gotta talk more later. Maybe worth a -developer thread. May 10 20:00:21 Going to Star Trek May 10 20:00:32 lol May 10 20:00:34 ah, i see. so you want to use the whiteboard really for tagging... interesteing May 10 20:00:40 enjoy May 10 20:00:49 so far i've used the whiteboard for non-bugzilla wide keywords May 10 20:01:09 like "evolution[filters]" for filter issues in Evolution application, and because other apps might use filters too May 10 20:01:13 hmm, interesting idea May 10 20:01:20 lol May 10 20:01:23 Well, we the global keyword list can't ever really be complete May 10 20:01:29 s/we// May 10 20:01:30 GAN8001 meant: Well, the global keyword list can't ever really be complete May 10 20:01:42 But, I dunno. May 10 20:01:43 not complete, but currently it's quite a small list May 10 20:01:45 More later. :D May 10 20:01:48 * GAN8001 runs out the door. May 10 20:02:12 hmm, triage guide mentions to query for "vot" instead of "vote". :) May 10 20:02:35 * xnt14 trips GAN8001 xd jk May 10 20:08:27 andre__, when you are triaging bugs are you ever tempted to wear a nurses uniform? May 10 20:09:32 reminding myself about uniforms - tshirts for copenhagen, who do i have to speak to to see if we are havin em May 10 20:10:51 lcuk, i normally prefer to wear a scottish kilt when working May 10 20:10:55 hmm, probably quim i'd say May 10 20:11:04 :D heh May 10 20:12:02 * andre__ won't mention any nazi uniforms here, might get him into trouble :-P May 10 20:12:16 t-shirts would be a nice to have, definitely May 10 20:12:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27714 May 10 20:12:38 i just brought back an old thread to remind ppl May 10 20:13:33 there were t-shirts at maemo summit. May 10 20:13:38 and i'd assume that some were left May 10 20:13:47 nokia should know better May 10 20:14:33 they were a bit tight and white, i managed to get myself a black maemo one before the end tho :) May 10 20:15:14 i also definitely prefer black for the next one. to be honest the white one ended up at my girlfriend's body, i don't wear it :-) May 10 20:16:20 lol, i believe the internet phrase here is "pics or it didn't happen" lol May 10 20:16:48 "this thread is worthless without pics" May 10 20:17:15 actually, retract that - you and a kilt might just tip us all over :D May 10 20:17:39 there should be pics on flickr of me May 10 20:18:10 yeah we know what you look like, its the kilt angle that makes me uneasy May 10 20:18:42 ehehe May 10 20:48:44 whos seen the new star trek May 10 20:50:37 lol May 10 20:50:46 lol May 10 20:51:10 O.o May 10 20:51:12 that was funny? May 10 20:52:04 lcuk: not yet. May 10 21:03:49 b-man, which personality laughed and why? May 10 21:58:10 awesome May 10 21:58:32 what is May 10 21:58:38 got my su8w to work with my g1 :) May 10 21:59:14 nice May 10 21:59:43 yah May 10 21:59:47 a2dp works on it now too May 10 21:59:55 android seems to be really shaping up May 10 22:00:50 what new things are available for it? May 10 22:00:56 i havent heard of any specific apps May 10 22:01:04 there are a ton of apps for it May 10 22:01:19 especially since people can charge for apps nowadays May 10 22:01:21 what stands out tho - shining beacons that make you want to get it May 10 22:01:32 most of the stock stuff is nice May 10 22:01:41 they have documents to go which is an office suite May 10 22:01:52 the browser has gotten nicer. and it has a soft keyboard for the G1 now :) May 10 22:02:04 so you don't have to keep flipping it open to type small things May 10 22:02:25 can i get DMA screen access? May 10 22:02:35 or on the metal May 10 22:02:42 DMA screen access? May 10 22:02:46 or is it just java sdk or non visual libraries May 10 22:02:53 i can open a raw bitmap here May 10 22:02:59 and draw directly on it May 10 22:03:06 heh.. couldn't tell you.. i'm not a dev May 10 22:03:18 i was happy just because i was able to build hidd for it to use my bt keyboard May 10 22:03:31 yeah May 10 22:03:57 that lots pretty much built into maemo by default aint it May 10 22:03:57 hopefully it will have a menu option for the hid May 10 22:04:11 sure is ;) May 10 22:04:15 * lcuk hasnt used bt kb for ages May 10 22:04:26 i used it with the n800 i gave to Stskeeps May 10 22:04:45 cool May 10 22:04:46 but after i got my G1 i stopped using the n800 for the most part but kept the keyboard in case the g1 would support it May 10 22:04:54 will you be able to install mer on it eventually? May 10 22:05:00 on my G1? :) May 10 22:05:05 yeah reasonable consideration May 10 22:05:07 yeah May 10 22:05:07 no way... i'd rather use android May 10 22:05:10 heh May 10 22:05:19 i like the android interface more May 10 22:05:21 i wasnt asking for you May 10 22:05:55 although mer was starting to look nice May 10 22:05:59 yeah people get into things that work for them, im still an xp user May 10 22:06:00 android was premature in its release May 10 22:06:15 everything is premature May 10 22:06:22 nowadays its now now now May 10 22:06:23 but it is doing a lot better after the cupcake release May 10 22:06:52 lcuk, tell that to torvalds May 10 22:07:02 some of the little things they added to it really touched it up May 10 22:07:06 he's the one fueling the whole "release early, release often" moto May 10 22:07:19 outside of that May 10 22:07:21 haha May 10 22:07:24 outside computers May 10 22:07:29 release early release often :) May 10 22:07:38 linux creed? May 10 22:07:38 customers dont understand tho May 10 22:07:58 yeah.. most customers don't... ther's probably a small percentage of G1 useres who have rooted their phones May 10 22:08:01 they shouldn't have to May 10 22:08:05 the rest just wait for ota updates May 10 22:08:20 sorry maam, this car is a pre-release, you still have to climb out of the windows to exit and if you go over 40mph, make sure you hold onto the sunroof May 10 22:08:33 haha May 10 22:09:05 true May 10 22:09:39 the problem comes when you have an easy distribution method, and post-promised earnings May 10 22:10:01 if it's software, it doesn't cost you anything to release the beta version, as long as the full version will be worth the full amount of money May 10 22:10:15 you get user feedback which can be very important May 10 22:10:24 vital! May 10 22:10:45 well.. i couldn't install win7 May 10 22:10:53 on the other hand, you can't release a pre-prod car to a massive customer base for free, and just update it to the latest version as soon as it's available for purchase May 10 22:10:55 don't know why but it was asking for a driver disc May 10 22:10:56 wtf? :) May 10 22:10:58 i wouldnt install it on your computer either May 10 22:11:15 Macer, windows 7 works beautifully under VMWare May 10 22:11:21 well May 10 22:11:28 thats an important distinction crashanddie :) May 10 22:11:30 heh May 10 22:11:37 i wanted to try it on a toshiba laptop i have May 10 22:12:43 I think that some PMs have come imbued with the success of certain software projects, and are hoping to apply the same rules to mass-consumer markets May 10 22:12:47 and that's just something that's not going to fly in the long run May 10 22:13:00 the zune being one of those examples May 10 22:13:14 i had a zune May 10 22:13:15 it wasn't bad May 10 22:13:17 oh, and btw, I've officially seen every single stargate episode and film May 10 22:14:26 I want to see a platform that basically has 10 SD slots May 10 22:14:56 … they'd HAVE to eb MicroSD May 10 22:15:00 each slot can be used to plug in self-contained device, be it extension of RAM, wifi, gps, whatever they can come up with May 10 22:15:39 crashanddie: I'd rather have legos, so they can be piggybacked XD May 10 22:15:53 need more power? snap on a new battery block and remove the old one May 10 22:16:06 luke-jr, you would not want micro-sd May 10 22:16:14 or micro-lego for that matter :P May 10 22:16:30 or if it's already bulky, pull off the SD card block, add the new battery there, yank the old battery, and replace it with that SD card block ;) May 10 22:17:03 remember how with the old laptops you could pull out the CD-drive and plug-in a floppy drive? May 10 22:17:27 same principle May 10 22:17:38 give people the possibility to make the device they need, instead of locking yourself in a position where you cut off possibilities May 10 22:17:56 basically: make a wii May 10 22:18:27 the wii is shit easy hardware, but you extend the basic functionality by making it pluggable, and extendible May 10 22:18:44 May 10 22:19:33 ~ping May 10 22:19:36 ~pong May 10 22:19:57 lcuk, say I'm right May 10 22:20:34 is it possible to run Maemo in a chroot? May 10 22:20:36 arghhh, im upto my armpits in coed, gimma a minute May 10 22:20:53 !grab lcuk May 10 22:20:56 if I bind-mount the dbus run dir, I get osso_initialize failed. May 10 22:20:57 damn May 10 22:20:58 you are right, you have seen every stargate May 10 22:21:38 i like pluggable May 10 22:21:52 crashanddie: w7 is great in vbox too :) May 10 22:22:54 crashanddie: btw, are you sure you aren't asking for a ... May 10 22:22:55 * timeless_mbp blanks May 10 22:22:59 beagleboard? :) May 10 22:23:13 beagleboard is shit May 10 22:23:14 otoh, you could try to find something which was basically a firewire bus :) May 10 22:23:17 or at least maemo mapper? May 10 22:23:38 luke-jr: so... as a reminder, scratchbox is a chroot May 10 22:23:53 as much as I praise the guys for creating a $150 device that runs beautifully May 10 22:23:58 timeless_mbp: no idea what scratchbox is ☺ May 10 22:24:14 * timeless_mbp wonders what character set that is May 10 22:24:19 I've always been minutes away from buying a beagleboard that wasn't so limited... May 10 22:24:32 timeless_mbp: half the point of my using Gentoo is so I don't actually *boot* the Maemo stuff that interferes with WiFi monitor mode May 10 22:24:47 timeless_mbp: Unicode May 10 22:25:01 The only way to get networking is through USB or an SDIO port? Excuse me? What is this? The 90s? May 10 22:25:08 luke-jr: ok, and what character? because my mac clearly doesn't have it May 10 22:25:14 it renders it as a hollow square May 10 22:25:29 luke-jr, you do realise you could attain the exact same stuff by hacking at the startup scripts rather than basically going the LFS route... May 10 22:25:32 timeless_mbp: a simple smiley face, actually chr(1) in the US DOS charset too May 10 22:25:47 crashanddie: that's ok, I don't like Maemo's design in general May 10 22:26:12 * timeless_mbp wonders if maemo.org left beta May 10 22:26:42 hey, is there a bug about the fact that the text for on maemo.org is truncated? May 10 22:27:00 luke-jr, you don't like debian/ubuntu more like it, Maemo didn't invent anything on the Linux side of things May 10 22:27:07 so this "osso_initialize failed." ? May 10 22:27:16 crashanddie: uh, it is nothing like Debian May 10 22:27:31 timeless_mbp, haven't been able to get a hold of a USB smartchip reader May 10 22:27:39 :( May 10 22:28:08 timeless, depending on your needs I can ship you a USB smartcard reader though May 10 22:28:16 timeless, a lot cheaper and people actually use them May 10 22:28:48 as long as it works as a PKCS11 provider thing May 10 22:28:49 timeless_mbp: I don't see anything wrong with cumulus text May 10 22:28:59 timeless_mbp, could not find a ticket about maemo.org, please file one. and i can confirm here. May 10 22:29:08 mikkov_, i can confirm it May 10 22:29:11 andre__: can you deal w/ the picture for it? May 10 22:29:13 crashanddie: I know for a fact that none of this "osso_initialize" crap is in Debian ;) May 10 22:29:41 luke-jr, read my words May 10 22:29:48 luke-jr, never said it did May 10 22:30:21 timeless_mbp, which OS are we talking about, and what kind of CP are we talking about here? May 10 22:30:39 crashanddie: I didn't complain about "the Linux side of things" by its literal meaning May 10 22:30:43 crashanddie: normally wXP/w7 May 10 22:30:47 but atm i'm on OSX May 10 22:30:54 and the client library is NSS May 10 22:31:02 timeless_mbp, and is this research for your work, or yourself? May 10 22:31:25 timeless_mbp: http://home.arcor.de/ak-47/tmp/maemoorgtruncation.png May 10 22:32:29 andre__: yeah, slightly different truncation here, but that'll do May 10 22:32:36 can you do the attachment after i file, or should i attach yours? May 10 22:32:50 i will attach, just file May 10 22:34:49 thanks May 10 22:36:28 andre__: 4522 May 10 22:36:42 mother's calling me to dinner... today isn't a day to ignore her... May 10 22:36:43 bye :) May 10 22:37:08 bye May 10 23:02:51 crashanddie, SPI. May 10 23:03:03 lcuk, it was good. May 10 23:03:54 excellent! May 10 23:04:10 lcuk, I wasn't blown away, but it was a lot of fun. May 10 23:04:11 GeneralAntilles, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=286257&postcount=29 May 10 23:04:19 You know how 300 loves to whore the slomo? May 10 23:04:26 Star Trek is that way with lens flares. May 10 23:04:42 lcuk, you're a fucking creeper. May 10 23:04:54 lol May 10 23:04:59 samples per inch? May 10 23:05:01 you are on the enterprise tho! May 10 23:05:02 Seriously, if this turns into some sort of new meme I'm hanging myself on IRC. :P May 10 23:05:05 hm May 10 23:05:09 heh May 10 23:05:15 crashanddie, 300 the movie. May 10 23:05:17 i don't think win7 is working on this toshiba laptop May 10 23:05:17 wtf May 10 23:05:19 XD May 10 23:05:37 it is asking for drivers for something May 10 23:05:49 which i guess it needs just to install . what kind of crap is that? :) May 10 23:05:59 GeneralAntilles, just asking about the SPI shit May 10 23:06:50 crashanddie, oh, sorry. May 10 23:07:03 You know all those internal serial, etc. buses that mobile devices use to hook up accessories? All of them are available on the Beagle May 10 23:07:12 So you could just build yourself a little WiFi daughterboard May 10 23:07:19 Sub-optimal, yes, but it is a 3rd option. ;) May 10 23:07:30 yeah I know May 10 23:07:37 but not what I want May 10 23:07:54 have you seen the speed of SPI? May 10 23:07:58 and sorry, SPI is supposed to be there for low level debugging, it's like I2C May 10 23:08:07 Their stated goal was to keep it cheap, but when you start adding integrated WiFi/Bluetooth/whatever, you end up with their $1100 dev kit device. ;) May 10 23:08:07 not actual communication or device connectivity May 10 23:08:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus May 10 23:09:00 GeneralAntilles, not necessarily May 10 23:09:30 Something like: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993 May 10 23:09:34 GeneralAntilles, the whatsitsname device, pickit or bigprick, can't remember, they just start out as very simple devices, but you can add shit to the motherboard May 10 23:09:47 Bug Labs? May 10 23:09:57 hang on, I'm on the wrong wifi networks May 10 23:10:30 Oh, lcuk, Tim was looking at the t-shirts May 10 23:10:36 I don't think he's made any progress, though. May 10 23:10:42 back May 10 23:10:44 good May 10 23:10:46 fast interwebs nao :) May 10 23:11:06 well, to be honest May 10 23:11:13 I believe BlueTooth should die May 10 23:12:32 dayum, I was hoping that would've been a bit more of flamebait May 10 23:13:15 ~ping May 10 23:13:17 ~pong May 10 23:13:31 hello? May 10 23:14:43 Sorry May 10 23:15:03 I think we need a short-range wireless standard like that May 10 23:15:16 I don't have a strong opinion abou the candidates for that. May 10 23:15:17 we have a short range wireless standard, wifi May 10 23:15:28 Power hungry May 10 23:15:41 more than wifi + bluetooth? May 10 23:15:52 TCP/IP seems a little slow for HID stuff, too. May 10 23:16:16 you don't want TCP for that May 10 23:16:30 UDP at the very least May 10 23:18:25 What about wireless USB? May 10 23:18:42 how about wireless cables/ May 10 23:18:43 ?? May 10 23:18:51 I want Tesla back May 10 23:19:25 Wireless Cables Inc. ! The first company to offer Bluetooth devices with up to 30km range! May 10 23:19:26 I think we need some magic May 10 23:19:42 They screwed us on the flying cars, so I want magic. May 10 23:20:02 I want to meet Daniel Jackson and Jack Sparrow May 10 23:20:24 just to go to Daniel Shanks and go "Dude, you managed to marry Lexa Doig. You fucking lucky bastard" May 10 23:20:36 s/Daniel/Michael/ May 10 23:20:36 crashanddie_ meant: just to go to Michael Shanks and go "Dude, you managed to marry Lexa Doig. You fucking lucky bastard" May 10 23:27:17 Interesting, Engadget is capitalizing Internet Tablet on the Q& May 10 23:27:21 s/&/7/ May 10 23:27:22 GeneralAntilles meant: Interesting, Engadget is capitalizing Internet Tablet on the Q7 May 10 23:27:25 http://www.engadget.com/ May 10 23:28:48 Bye, qgil May 11 01:36:00 holy shit win7 sucks May 11 01:36:01 haha May 11 01:39:56 why do you say that May 11 01:42:06 Macer: yup, its still bad, but better than vista May 11 01:45:19 it IS vista May 11 01:45:28 i seriously can't find any major difference May 11 01:47:49 well, it is the same code base, but I ill take it over vista any day May 11 02:07:56 Is there any debian-ports repo for maemo? I find it hard to believe I'm the only one who needs gnu screen. May 11 02:55:36 ok May 11 02:55:37 wtf May 11 02:55:43 windows 7 is vista with a new taskbar May 11 02:55:50 if people pay for this shit they are stupid :) May 11 02:56:00 lol May 11 02:56:44 seriously May 11 02:56:48 that is all it is May 11 02:57:03 i have read articles.. and been looking for differences May 11 02:57:10 and there are almost none other than the taskbar May 11 02:57:23 and no more sidebar.. instead you pu thte "gadgets" wherever you want May 11 02:57:30 indeed May 11 02:57:38 Macer: w7 is actually quite nice May 11 02:57:49 timeless_mbp: it is vista! May 11 02:57:51 it performs better May 11 02:57:54 with a different taskbar May 11 02:58:26 how so? it's not necessarily going faster for me than vista does May 11 02:58:30 it has a slightly different base architecture May 11 02:58:37 same kernel as vista May 11 02:59:25 (userspace) May 11 02:59:37 it is something they could have live updated with a service pack but instead they are going to release it and charge people $500 for it :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 11 02:59:57 2009