**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 11 02:59:57 2009
May 11 03:02:59 <timeless_mbp> Macer: an upgrade price is unclear
May 11 03:03:08 <timeless_mbp> unless they've announced something...
May 11 03:03:20 <Macer> i'm sorry but it is garbage
May 11 04:35:00 * johnx goes and falls asleep after 1,247 miles of driving in two days
May 11 04:35:41 <ds3> where did you go?
May 11 04:36:24 <johnx> ds3, la to seattle
May 11 04:36:27 <johnx> basically
May 11 04:36:52 <ds3> Oh fun drive :D liked the 5?
May 11 04:37:07 <johnx> yeah. I want to do it again with less of a time constraint :)
May 11 04:37:22 <ds3> this wasn't  for pleasure?
May 11 04:38:00 <johnx> not really, co-driving with my little sister back from her college to our parents' house
May 11 04:38:39 <johnx> I mean, we had fun, but the time limit was strictly by today as I have work monday ;)
May 11 04:40:08 <johnx> I think we did better than google's time prediction actually...even with gas stops and all that
May 11 04:40:39 <johnx> excluding the ~7 hours rest in motel in Dunsmuir, CA
May 11 04:40:58 <ds3> that's the CA side of the OR-CA border, rightt?
May 11 04:41:12 <johnx> hence the CA :)
May 11 04:41:48 <johnx> north of Redding and south of Mt. Shasta
May 11 04:41:48 <ds3> wasn't completely sure it was right on the border or not
May 11 04:42:02 <johnx> it's a good 60 miles south of OR I think
May 11 04:42:03 <ds3> Oh... it isn't on the border
May 11 04:42:28 <ds3> Good choice.... doing the Sisko(sp?) in the dark can get exciting
May 11 04:42:28 <johnx> maemo mapper rocked my world. I need to get a bt gps to use with it next time
May 11 04:43:09 <johnx> driving in the dark I'm ok with, driving in the dark while my passenger sleeps and I start to hit sleep deprivation is not cool though
May 11 04:43:37 <ds3> *nod*
May 11 04:43:54 <ds3> is this the 800 or 810?
May 11 04:44:04 <johnx> n800
May 11 04:44:14 <johnx> makes me want an n810 for car purposes :/
May 11 04:44:46 <ds3> I get annoying at not being able to see maemo mapper during the day
May 11 04:44:59 <johnx> yeah, the screen was totally washed out in the sun and the lack of GPS hurts
May 11 04:45:13 <johnx> I can do something about the GPS with a cheapo bt gps, but the screen ...
May 11 04:46:17 <ds3> which map repo did you use?
May 11 04:46:25 <johnx> google street maps
May 11 04:46:33 <johnx> I didn't want to mess around with anything else
May 11 04:46:51 <johnx> I'd like to switch to OSM for most things and start contributing when I can, but not this trip ;)
May 11 04:47:34 <ds3> heh.... the OSM stuff works ok on the 5. the 10 has some issues
May 11 04:48:17 <johnx> I-10?
May 11 04:48:22 <ds3> yeah
May 11 04:48:40 <johnx> aaah. we were on that for a bit
May 11 04:48:44 <ds3> some parts of it are off by 500-1000ft
May 11 04:49:04 <johnx> darn. I should have recorded a new track for it :)
May 11 04:50:08 <ds3> I can't tell if it was the construction deviating and not reporting back or a genuine error
May 11 04:50:28 <johnx> the other thing we needed though was maps of side streets in towns we pulled off in. I asked maemo mapper for coffee in dunsmuir and it led me to a great little place with spot on location
May 11 04:50:50 <ds3> how do you ask maemo mapper for things like that?
May 11 04:51:03 <johnx> menu -> POI -> download
May 11 04:51:24 <ds3> and that pops up a box to search or?
May 11 04:51:28 <johnx> yup
May 11 04:51:44 <ds3> oh... I must try that
May 11 04:52:00 <ds3> been having to run googlemaps in GVM for purely that use
May 11 04:52:04 <johnx> it's backed by google's search results, so it tends to be pretty relevant
May 11 04:52:19 <ds3> that is saying nothing
May 11 04:52:32 <ds3> Google's results are rediculous 50-80% of the time
May 11 04:52:39 <johnx> IME, it was pretty relevant
May 11 04:53:21 <ds3> I had googlemaps centered within 1-2 miles of aplacethat I knew by name. Ask googlemaps to find it - it finds an unrelated place in another state
May 11 04:53:46 <johnx> er, yeah. it seems to do better finding businesses it seems
May 11 04:53:49 <ds3> had stuff like that happen too many times. googlemaps is too polluted
May 11 04:53:55 <ds3> That WAS a business
May 11 04:54:01 <johnx> ah
May 11 04:54:05 <johnx> no idea then
May 11 04:54:06 <ds3> I asked for it by name
May 11 04:54:20 <ds3> if I timed in the full exact name, it finds it
May 11 04:55:00 <johnx> anyways, I'm off to sleep. 'night
May 11 04:55:04 <ds3> nightt
May 11 05:59:03 <RST38h> heya johnx
May 11 06:18:11 <thux> morning
May 11 06:19:28 <lbt> morning all
May 11 06:40:05 <|dl9pf|> moin moin
May 11 08:37:28 * kbalazs wants to know how can an application getting to know about the system goes to hibernate? is there any signal/dbus-message for it?
May 11 08:37:55 <Stskeeps> kbalazs: libosso may know, but it's sent out with a systeminactivity thing
May 11 08:41:07 <kbalazs> Stskeeps: is there any way to listen for it? expecially we want to purge out our memory caches in this situation
May 11 08:41:32 <Stskeeps> kbalazs: well, there's no such thing as "hibernate", the screen just turns off :)
May 11 08:41:37 <Stskeeps> it doesn't s2ram
May 11 08:42:38 <Stskeeps> and it sets a different PSM timeout
May 11 08:44:37 <kbalazs> Stskeeps: it doesn't really matter from our point of view that how does the system going to be inactive
May 11 08:45:00 <Stskeeps> kbalazs: i can't recall the exact signal but there's definately one :)
May 11 08:45:33 <Stskeeps> signal sender=:1.9 -> dest=(null destination) serial=74 path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=system_inactivity_ind
May 11 08:47:21 <kbalazs> Stskeeps: thanks, this would be helpful
May 11 08:47:54 <Stskeeps> what are you making, - out of curiousity?
May 11 08:49:48 <kbalazs> Stskeeps: we have a project what's goal is to optimize WebKit for embedded systems
May 11 08:49:59 <Stskeeps> interesting :)
May 11 08:50:32 <Stskeeps> Tear's author bundyo is doing some fixes to webkit for maemo as well - with hildon input method and such working now
May 11 08:51:14 <kbalazs> Stskeeps: you can get some sense about our work from here: http://webkit.sed.hu/
May 11 08:53:01 <Stskeeps> interesting :)
May 11 09:07:09 <aquatix> what's the latest version of tear?
May 11 09:07:13 <aquatix> 0.3 still?
May 11 10:08:14 <Jaffa> Bonjour
May 11 10:08:36 <X-Fade> Hi Jaffa, back from your trip?
May 11 10:08:40 <keesj> Coucou, ca va?
May 11 10:09:15 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Nope, not yet. In the (closed) bar on 4eur/hr wifi
May 11 10:09:34 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Ah!
May 11 10:09:41 <Jaffa> Just downloading mail to my tablet, ordering a new monitor etc
May 11 10:09:45 <lardman> morning chaps
May 11 10:09:58 <florian> good morning
May 11 10:10:04 <lardman> hey florian
May 11 10:11:29 <Stskeepie> Jaffa: you can definately enjoy the vacation, you're avoiding the iTT flamefests ;)
May 11 10:12:25 <Jaffa> Stskeepie: enough of them before I left meant I didn't read ITT for two days. Usually, I read it every couple of hours - and I'm much more relaxed for it.
May 11 10:12:34 <Stskeepie> hehe
May 11 10:12:54 <Stskeepie> i've gone as far as to ignore some people's posts, it has reduced my blood pressure considerably :P
May 11 10:13:21 <Jaffa> If it hasn't calmed down by the time I get back, I'll do similar.
May 11 10:14:52 <lbt> Jaffa : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286366
May 11 10:14:54 <Jaffa> Going cider/calvados/pommeau tasting this afternoon
May 11 10:15:06 <lbt> much more positive....
May 11 10:15:10 <Jaffa> lbt: Nope, I won't be tricked
May 11 10:15:21 <Jaffa> It's probably worse than goatse
May 11 10:15:35 <lbt> it has room for a cider tasting application
May 11 10:18:30 <Jaffa> lbt: cool post
May 11 10:18:42 <Jaffa> lbt: just recompiled, or needed patching?
May 11 10:19:17 <Stskeepie> there's a lot of scratchboxisms at some places
May 11 10:19:20 <Stskeepie> which kinda sucks
May 11 10:21:22 <Stskeepie> i hope we can encourage not having sb-isms through the extras-testing procedure and maemian
May 11 10:21:43 * Jaffa nods
May 11 10:23:03 * Jaffa assumes he hasn't missed a new device announcement, btw
May 11 10:23:24 <X-Fade> Stskeepie: It might be a good idea to record test cases in the wiki.
May 11 10:23:33 <X-Fade> Stskeepie: Whenever you bump into one..
May 11 10:23:56 <Stskeepie> yeah, we are
May 11 10:24:05 <X-Fade> Stskeepie: So when we actually create a test script, we have test cases ;)
May 11 10:26:11 <lbt> I've submitted a couple of ant-sb guards to maemo-Qt and they've been accepted in
May 11 10:26:48 <lbt> simple things like if [ -d /scratchbox/ ]; do silly things; done
May 11 10:27:37 <lbt> also OBS has found some build errors.. missing dependencies, failure to run dh_ things...
May 11 10:28:10 <Stskeepie> missing dependancies is a sbism too, assuming packages are there that isn't traditionally in bare build environments :P
May 11 10:28:36 <Stskeepie> we have many gcc4isms too but i guess that will show in Fremantle too
May 11 10:41:35 <dl9pf> the sb-isms should just be guarded by ifs ... in case the're really needed
May 11 10:42:25 <Stskeepie> in scratchbox they probably are :P
May 11 10:48:38 <GAN800> People apparently don't get what commercial developers are.
May 11 10:49:01 <Myrtti> there's people who don't get what developers are, period
May 11 10:49:06 <Stskeepie> 'lo Myrtti
May 11 10:49:07 <aquatix> :)
May 11 10:49:11 <aquatix> hey Myrtti
May 11 10:49:13 <aquatix> et al
May 11 10:49:25 <GAN800> Myrtti, it's sad when these people are developers.
May 11 10:49:41 <Myrtti> GAN800: yeah...
May 11 10:49:59 * Myrtti is "Software Developer" herself
May 11 10:50:06 <Stskeepie> GAN800: well, imho maemo.org should be open to commercial developers too - it's a great way to shape up things and gain more backing
May 11 10:50:16 <aquatix> how in flux is Mer nowadays? is it able to fully replace os2008?
May 11 10:50:17 <GAN800> It is
May 11 10:50:42 <GAN800> But commercial developers clearly have a separate support structure in place for them.
May 11 10:50:42 <Stskeepie> (disclaimer: i didn't read all the thread since i'm ignoring some of the participants.)
May 11 10:50:48 <Stskeepie> obviously
May 11 10:50:55 <Stskeepie> but if we take it on a limb, it's a service nokia offers
May 11 10:51:13 <GAN800> With access to very different levels of information.
May 11 10:51:57 <GAN800> The argument is that knowing whether Maps or Navicore was bundled was relevant to commercial developers.
May 11 10:52:06 <Stskeepie> ah
May 11 10:53:08 <Stskeepie> well that makes more sense then
May 11 10:54:11 <GAN800> I don't believe it's important to community developers, and commercial ones clearly have their own channel to that information.
May 11 10:54:26 <Stskeepie> it's not, nokia bundles what they want
May 11 10:54:39 <Stskeepie> maemo mapper lives as a alternative no matter if maps or navicore is there
May 11 10:55:28 <GAN800> Which is why the whole thread is silly. ;)
May 11 10:55:32 * Stskeepie wonders if the financial crisis is a good time to start projects like mer and such. lot of people out of work and looking for ways to improve their CV.
May 11 10:55:58 <Stskeepie> if you don't use your coding abilities you slowly lose them
May 11 10:57:29 * lbt .... never ;)
May 11 10:58:26 <Stskeepie> my reason for working on mer is simple: make myself visible to land myself a good job after graduation
May 11 10:59:17 <lbt> it's not what you know, it's who you know.... and who knows you.
May 11 10:59:31 <Stskeepie> .. and because it's fun.
May 11 10:59:53 <glass> who knows that you know
May 11 11:14:35 <lcuk> since gtk is an essential part of the maemo os and the user always has a theme in use, what is the issue of using the glyphs from the current in use theme?
May 11 11:14:52 <Stskeepie> you can maybe use sapwood protocol to get pixmaps?
May 11 11:16:00 <lcuk> yeah whichever method i use
May 11 11:16:21 <lcuk> are those glyphs considered fair game to use in a none gtk app
May 11 11:16:54 <lcuk> i would aim to not send media out and just use whats there you see
May 11 11:28:14 * xnt14 is awake
May 11 11:28:34 * Myrtti is infinitely intrested
May 11 11:28:42 * lcuk shows xnt14 a swirly hypnotic pattern
May 11 11:29:02 * xnt14 stares
May 11 11:29:03 * JamieBennett is refactoring code and not liking it
May 11 11:29:24 * xnt14 checks lifehacker/gizmodo/etc...
May 11 11:29:28 * lcuk is bugfixing a bug thats unreproducable :|
May 11 11:29:39 <xnt14> : |
May 11 11:29:43 <lcuk> i did my refactoring at weekend :D
May 11 11:29:51 <JamieBennett> lcuk Story of my life !
May 11 11:29:51 <xnt14> :D
May 11 11:30:00 <JamieBennett> Bugs, bugs and more bugs
May 11 11:30:16 <lcuk> JamieBennett, ive got exactly 2 known bugs with a specific firm
May 11 11:30:27 <lcuk> and neither of them are reproducable on our systems
May 11 11:30:40 <JamieBennett> lcuk blame the hardware
May 11 11:30:43 <lcuk> but thanfully one of them is reproducably reproducable
May 11 11:30:57 <lcuk> the other just randomly happens like an accidental fart
May 11 11:31:06 <roope> what would macgyver do.
May 11 11:31:39 <lcuk> apt-get install chewing gum, paperclip
May 11 11:31:50 <Stskeepie> a rx-51 and a picoprojector
May 11 11:31:53 <lcuk> but i cant do that with this lol
May 11 11:32:32 <aquatix> lcuk: blame it on cosmic rays or the position of the moon?
May 11 11:32:40 <lcuk> JamieBennett, no can do, the one i am tracking today happens on multiple machines with multiple user accounts, its dpi resolution scaling issue
May 11 11:32:43 <aquatix> or the occassional rain
May 11 11:32:56 <lcuk> aquarius-, ive already put a bug report in with god about those
May 11 11:33:00 <lcuk> they didnt believe me
May 11 11:33:09 <aquatix> ah, god is a debian developer?
May 11 11:33:13 <aquatix> :P
May 11 11:33:27 <lcuk> yeah, but he codes in lisp
May 11 11:33:31 <aquatix> yep
May 11 11:33:40 <aquatix> well, actually he hacks it all together in perl
May 11 11:34:14 <aquatix> but does it depend on the application, those dpi issues?
May 11 11:36:28 <lcuk> that does yeah, its stupid complex code sat around and returning different values and erroring, tisnt complex, but frustrating
May 11 11:42:21 <lardman> lcuk: dpi resolution scaling graphical thingymawatchit errors?
May 11 11:42:29 <lardman> lcuk: easy solution to that you know?
May 11 11:42:40 <lardman> lcuk: write command line programs only!
May 11 11:44:29 <timeless_mbp> oh how nice
May 11 11:44:43 * timeless_mbp can't run update nokia phone software from OS X
May 11 11:44:50 <timeless_mbp> http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/software/device-software-update/faq#faq26
May 11 11:45:01 * timeless_mbp feels like a second class citizen
May 11 11:49:29 <GAN800> timeless_mbp, you just wish you were a second class citizen. ;)
May 11 11:49:49 <timeless_mbp> GAN800: you sure i don't want to be a second class citiSen?
May 11 11:50:31 <timeless_mbp> GAN800: anyway, i'm tempted to try software update from w7
May 11 11:50:42 * timeless_mbp wonders what the odds are that it works there! :)
May 11 11:53:09 <lcuk> "im sorry timeless, you cannot run the update software in a VM, please use a correctly license retail version of w7 " :P
May 11 11:53:27 <lcuk> lardman, agreed most certainly
May 11 11:53:51 <lcuk> these graphics are a bit hairy at the best of times ;)
May 11 11:53:52 <timeless_mbp> did i mention that w7vXP requires hardware acceleration and therefore I can't use it in virtualbox on my mac? :(
May 11 11:54:12 <lcuk> heh
May 11 11:54:43 <lcuk> its prolly cos win7 has a short neck and looks dodgy in a turtleneck
May 11 11:55:10 <aquatix> *g*
May 11 11:56:18 <GAN800> I keep wondering what's happening in week 7. . . .
May 11 11:57:04 <aquatix> release of symbian^2? :P
May 11 11:57:38 <GAN8001> I'm really interested to see what Nokia's software landscape is going to look like when Harmattan rolls around.
May 11 11:58:39 * GAN8001 notes the G4 is "dead" again.
May 11 11:59:06 * aquatix wonders whether to get an N97 or a simpler phone and an RX51
May 11 11:59:10 <lcuk> gan did you ever actually say what the problem was
May 11 11:59:14 <aquatix> or maybe even wait till symbian^2
May 11 11:59:23 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, G4.
May 11 11:59:33 <lcuk> i personally wonder whether you can root the n97 and put mer on it
May 11 11:59:39 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: what's the G4?
May 11 11:59:44 <aquatix> lcuk: heh :)
May 11 11:59:51 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, not G4. The 2001 Quicksilver I have sitting in the family room with a hard drive that "dies" every once and a while.
May 11 11:59:55 <aquatix> lcuk: and if it's usable then
May 11 12:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, well, can you root an N95 or N96?
May 11 12:00:10 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: oh, a dead apple?
May 11 12:00:16 <lcuk> you know what i mean
May 11 12:00:20 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, playing possum anyway.
May 11 12:00:24 <lcuk> diablo even
May 11 12:00:42 <lcuk> or fremantle if the n97 can handle the power
May 11 12:00:46 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, I've also got a leaking G5 that's in the shop at the moment that lcuk was referring to.
May 11 12:00:56 <aquatix> aha
May 11 12:01:20 <lcuk> ahhh i thought you were joking about your g5 pissin all over the place
May 11 12:01:46 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, no, the liquid cooling leaked and took out most of the component in the case (and rusted the case itself).
May 11 12:01:53 * lardman imagines the General rolling in after a hard night drinking and forgetting where the bathroom is
May 11 12:02:10 * lcuk is liquidcoooled
May 11 12:02:11 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, I don't really drink. ;)
May 11 12:02:24 <lcuk> storm surge?
May 11 12:02:28 <lardman> well in that case it needn't have been a hard night then! :)
May 11 12:02:33 <lcuk> did you forget and lob that in the pool too?
May 11 12:02:42 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, my nihilistic tendencies are strong. ;)
May 11 12:02:53 <lardman> mine are too after this weekend
May 11 12:02:58 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 11 12:03:16 <lcuk> whens stag do?
May 11 12:03:23 <lcuk> or are you still chained to a lamppost now>
May 11 12:03:32 <lardman> done, had a few drinks with some friends a few weekends ago
May 11 12:03:46 <lardman> nah, was just dressed as a lady, so were the rest of them mind you
May 11 12:04:06 <lcuk> ?? i thought you were meant to do something different for stag do?
May 11 12:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> The ladies? ;)
May 11 12:04:33 <lardman> we decided we wanted a quiet stag+hen do all together
May 11 12:04:59 <lardman> can you see this?: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=2622718&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=750258503&id=750258503
May 11 12:05:03 <lcuk> you have uni mates who would chain you up dont you
May 11 12:05:20 <lardman> they might try, but I said I'd break arms
May 11 12:05:51 <lcuk> nooooo, you cant break arms, break intels
May 11 12:06:46 <lardman> Spanish class, back later on
May 11 12:06:49 <lcuk> This content is currently unavailable
May 11 12:06:49 <lcuk> The page you requested cannot be displayed at the moment.  Please wait for your friend to be less pissed and try again
May 11 12:07:21 <xnt14> lcuk: xD
May 11 12:07:23 <lardman|learning> ah, well you'll have to join Facebook and become my friend then, or I can just stick the photo up on my webpage when I come back
May 11 12:07:35 <xnt14> web page please
May 11 12:07:35 <lcuk> lol
May 11 12:07:59 * lcuk might get a facebook account when hell freezes over
May 11 12:08:06 <xnt14> or I can host it on dreamhost, I have plenty of extra bandwidth
May 11 12:08:13 <aquatix> lcuk: that soon?
May 11 12:08:22 <lcuk> yeah
May 11 12:08:39 <lcuk> i was planning on waiting till a blue moon, but i figured ive gotta have one achievable goal
May 11 12:08:44 <lbt> <shock>you're not on facebook?</shock>
May 11 12:08:52 * aquatix isn't on twitter
May 11 12:08:56 <xnt14> twitter ftw!
May 11 12:09:02 <lbt> what's twitter?
May 11 12:09:03 <lcuk> twitter wins
May 11 12:09:07 <xnt14> xD
May 11 12:09:08 <aquatix> lbt: web-based irc
May 11 12:09:10 <lcuk> but its a bit short for what im thinking
May 11 12:09:12 <lbt> heh
May 11 12:09:18 <xnt14> heh
May 11 12:09:39 <lbt> .log twitter
May 11 12:09:45 <lbt> .log wins
May 11 12:10:22 * xnt14 randomly googles for merbot
May 11 12:10:22 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, you might know this (anyone else might as well) - if i started posting text based sketch files to t.m.o is there any way to make the text of the comment invisible and not displayed to a regular browser - but something that i could readback and convert back to sketches by browsing
May 11 12:10:35 <lcuk> xnt14, dont
May 11 12:10:38 <xnt14> wtf? http://twitter.com/merbot
May 11 12:10:44 <lcuk> i tried it - it leads to something about a hot karl
May 11 12:10:45 <xnt14> lcuk: to late :(
May 11 12:10:54 <timeless_mbp> GAN800: my sister asked me for help upgrading Firefox to Firefox 3 on her G4
May 11 12:11:08 <lardman|learning> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/1.jpg should do it, I'm the one with pigtails, have to run now almost late
May 11 12:11:09 <timeless_mbp> she knew Firefox 3 was "available" because her start page offered it
May 11 12:11:15 <timeless_mbp> but check for updates didn't offer it
May 11 12:11:29 <lcuk> some user on urban dictionary thing is called merbot and his offered thing isnt great :|
May 11 12:11:30 <timeless_mbp> because she's running 10.3.9 (just like my G5 back home)
May 11 12:11:47 <lbt> I know the guy on the right!
May 11 12:13:06 <lcuk> lbt, thats not a guy!
May 11 12:13:47 <xnt14> timeless_mbp: xD, just dl ff3 off of mozilla .com
May 11 12:13:59 <xnt14> * -[space]
May 11 12:14:01 <timeless_mbp> xnt14: pointless
May 11 12:14:05 <timeless_mbp> it doesn't run on 10.3.9
May 11 12:14:09 <xnt14> oh ok
May 11 12:14:13 <xnt14> upgrade to tiger?
May 11 12:14:15 <xnt14> or leopard
May 11 12:14:23 <aquatix> zomg @ lardman|learning's pic
May 11 12:14:27 <timeless_mbp> buy her a license and i'll help her upgrade
May 11 12:14:39 <xnt14> sadly
May 11 12:14:42 <timeless_mbp> mozilla.com is giving me a license this week
May 11 12:14:42 * xnt14 is broke
May 11 12:14:49 <timeless_mbp> yeah, see...
May 11 12:15:20 <lardman> ah, class cancelled
May 11 12:15:23 <xnt14> yay
May 11 12:15:42 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, Leopard time.
May 11 12:15:57 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, you can at least upgrade your sister. :P
May 11 12:16:06 <xnt14> panther it too old
May 11 12:16:11 <timeless_mbp> i didn't even upgrade myself!
May 11 12:16:19 <lardman_> oops
May 11 12:16:28 <timeless_mbp> i'm only upgrading because someone else is giving me the license
May 11 12:16:32 <xnt14> plus its better, timemachine, spaces, etc
May 11 12:16:51 <xnt14> StsN802: New Tablet xD
May 11 12:16:58 <GeneralAntilles> My sister has totally switched over to using her iPhone as her primary computer.
May 11 12:17:44 <lardman> lbt: you really know him?
May 11 12:18:12 <xnt14> GeneralAntilles: Never, Cydia crashes too much to be a good package manager, and safari is good , but still crashy, and the appstore crashes randomly
May 11 12:18:34 <xnt14> GA: apt-get ftw
May 11 12:18:50 <lardman_> whoa, wierd, a message I sent before my disconnect just arrived after I reconnected
May 11 12:18:59 <xnt14> timeless_mbp: fios?
May 11 12:19:22 <GeneralAntilles> xnt14, huh?
May 11 12:19:30 <GeneralAntilles> Oh
May 11 12:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> iPhone
May 11 12:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> Meh
May 11 12:19:42 <xnt14> GA: is her iphone jailbroken or not?
May 11 12:20:05 <xnt14> xD
May 11 12:20:05 <GeneralAntilles> xnt14, no.
May 11 12:20:06 <timeless_mbp> xnt14: yes
May 11 12:20:12 <timeless_mbp> my parents are lucky
May 11 12:20:15 <Andrewfblack> Hello
May 11 12:20:26 <xnt14> andrewfblack: hello
May 11 12:20:30 <GeneralAntilles> FiOS is so awful
May 11 12:20:34 <xnt14> timeless_mbp, same here
May 11 12:20:40 <xnt14> GA: oh ok xD
May 11 12:20:44 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: iPhone as primary computer? wow
May 11 12:20:51 * timeless_mbp ponders
May 11 12:20:53 <GeneralAntilles> Friend of mine got the 20/20 connection which they kill every 15 minutes.
May 11 12:20:57 <timeless_mbp> well, she could "run facebook on that"
May 11 12:21:13 <timeless_mbp> and gmail...
May 11 12:21:22 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, she uses her laptop for typing up papers and some of the bulkier research, but the iPhone has displaced it for almost everything.
May 11 12:21:25 <timeless_mbp> yeah, that'd probably work, it's probably cheaper than upgrading her mac
May 11 12:21:25 <xnt14> timeless_mbp: what speed do you have? I have 5mb up ,a and 20mb down
May 11 12:21:29 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: yeah I never understood that whats the use if I can't do anything on it really
May 11 12:21:50 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: I know they don't want people running servers on it which is why but you can't even play an online game
May 11 12:21:56 <GeneralAntilles> I've got Brighthouse here and love it. 20/2
May 11 12:22:03 <timeless_mbp> xnt14: dunno, i'm sharing it w/ my dad, so i'm not going to run a speed test
May 11 12:22:03 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: my girlfriend uses a Palm T|X most of the time at home
May 11 12:22:15 <xnt14> oh ok :P
May 11 12:23:23 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, for browsing?
May 11 12:23:29 <Andrewfblack> my boss is so cheap at work we only have 1.5mb down and .5mb up for about 12 people to share
May 11 12:23:55 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds fun
May 11 12:23:57 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: yep, and reading mail
May 11 12:24:04 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, sounds painful
May 11 12:24:15 * StsN802 bangs head into table
May 11 12:24:17 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: well, she only checks some news sites
May 11 12:24:35 <GeneralAntilles> StsN802, should we buy you a pad for your desk? :)
May 11 12:24:38 <aquatix> her primary pc at home is a Samsung NC10 (10" netbook)
May 11 12:24:55 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: it's not like she doesn't use a pc at work :)
May 11 12:25:14 <StsN802> GeneralAntilles, more like protection from chinese mafia
May 11 12:25:23 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 11 12:25:42 <GeneralAntilles> We're gonna have to send in the Maemo Squad to save StsN802.
May 11 12:25:49 <StsN802> it's leaked -all over-
May 11 12:26:24 <lbt> lardman probably not... fuzzy but looks like Andrew G
May 11 12:26:33 <GeneralAntilles> Pleading the fifth seems releveant. :P
May 11 12:28:23 <GeneralAntilles> Ahaha: "english language firmware by maemo"
May 11 12:28:24 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome.
May 11 12:29:00 <lbt> have you guys any idea how much companies pay for marketing like this :D
May 11 12:29:29 <lbt> StsN802... I can't see them being at all unhappy
May 11 12:32:04 <xnt14> ok guys I have to go to school
May 11 12:48:10 <timeless_mbp> xnt[at_school]: 15up, 2 down
May 11 12:50:35 <toggles_w> anyone have a pointer for n810 + maemo-pan + ubuntu 9.04? i can pair the two but cannot seem to get an ip and there doesn't seem to be a 'dummy connection' in the select connection box. tia.
May 11 12:53:24 <slonopotamus> ~ping
May 11 12:53:25 <infobot> ~pong
May 11 13:02:07 <Stskeeps> i have a full appreciation for Nokia being able to run a open source project without product details leaking out all the time now. :>
May 11 13:07:08 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: what happened?
May 11 13:07:44 <timeless_mbp> actually, i can't stick around to find out... bye :)
May 11 13:21:12 <xnt[school]> hello world!
May 11 13:35:16 <lardman> lbt: no, his name is Jon
May 11 13:36:04 <lopz> hola
May 11 13:36:16 <lardman> hola que tal?
May 11 13:36:30 * lardman tries to get at least a bit of Spanish practise in today
May 11 13:40:55 * lardman thinks that perhaps his Spanish wasn't too great
May 11 13:41:22 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: ping?
May 11 13:42:10 <_berto_> lardman: well, it was ;)
May 11 13:42:20 <lardman> yay! :)
May 11 13:48:59 <VDVsx> lardman, are you practising your Spanish for you honeymoon in Mexico :P
May 11 13:49:15 * VDVsx is kidding
May 11 13:50:42 <fiferboy> lbt: Have you made many changes to your finger scrolling code since the lbt-qt branch was created?
May 11 13:51:51 <lardman> VDVsx: we were thinking about going there, glad we didn't choose that now!
May 11 13:52:03 <X-Fade> Stskeeps, lbt: How hard is it to submit packages to the Mer builder?
May 11 13:52:07 <lardman> VDVsx: nah, just thought I'd use the facilities at the uni and learn another language
May 11 13:52:18 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: login, new package, write description, upload .dsc .tar.gz, done
May 11 13:52:19 <X-Fade> I'm thinking of adding it to the Extras Assitant.
May 11 13:52:30 <X-Fade> So you can submit it to Extras and Mer at the same time.
May 11 13:52:35 <Stskeeps> probably even easier with osc
May 11 13:52:48 * lardman goes to get cold caffeine
May 11 13:53:31 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Does OBS have an API for that?
May 11 13:53:46 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: yeah - poke lbt, i'm sure he'll help :)
May 11 13:54:31 <X-Fade> It can be as easy as just creating a maemoextras account for your builder and use that to pass all packages to the builder.
May 11 13:55:02 <Stskeeps> yeah
May 11 13:55:16 <Stskeeps> but anyway, lbt is the local expert on this, and i'm sure he'll help :)
May 11 13:55:36 <X-Fade> Heh, ok :)
May 11 13:57:41 <mikkov_> X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4527
May 11 13:58:22 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Lol, really?
May 11 13:58:24 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Weird.
May 11 13:59:10 <mikkov_> X-Fade: I can send screenshot if it works differently for you :)
May 11 13:59:30 <X-Fade> mikkov_: I have un-prived accounts too ;)
May 11 14:00:21 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Ah, yeah. you need to add authors somewhere else.
May 11 14:01:08 <X-Fade> mikkov_: You need to Edit metadata for that.
May 11 14:01:49 <mikkov_> X-Fade: That's changed then. And not documented anywhere
May 11 14:01:57 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Hmm no, you are right.
May 11 14:02:05 <X-Fade> mikkov_: You _can_ edit it there.
May 11 14:02:15 <X-Fade> mikkov_: But it should work in the edit form too ;)
May 11 14:04:08 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Hmm and it does for me too.
May 11 14:05:19 <mikkov_> X-Fade: adding authors in edit view is not possible for me
May 11 14:05:38 <mikkov_> X-Fade: I can only remove
May 11 14:05:40 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Does it lookup the user when you add the username in the box?
May 11 14:05:58 <mikkov_> X-Fade: problem is that there is no box :)
May 11 14:06:19 <mikkov_> X-Fade: edit metadata works
May 11 14:06:42 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Go to the edit form and shift-reload the page.
May 11 14:07:05 <X-Fade> mikkov_: I think you saw the names with a checkbox in front of them?
May 11 14:08:12 <mikkov_> X-Fade: reloading doesn't help
May 11 14:08:34 <mikkov_> X-Fade: yes, if there is a author I can see that with checkbox
May 11 14:08:50 <mikkov_> X-Fade: if there is no author then there is nothing
May 11 14:09:00 <mikkov_> except the texts
May 11 14:09:01 <X-Fade> mikkov_: That gets replaced with javascript.
May 11 14:09:45 <mikkov_> X-Fade: I have Javascript
May 11 14:10:05 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Can you try logging out and then login again?
May 11 14:11:43 <mikkov_> X-Fade: doesn't help
May 11 14:12:00 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Any script errors?
May 11 14:14:30 <mikkov_> X-Fade: where would I see those?
May 11 14:14:54 <X-Fade> mikkov_: depends on which browser you use..
May 11 14:15:31 <mikkov_> X-Fade: look from from bugzilla
May 11 14:15:56 <X-Fade> mikkov_: ctrl-shift-j ;)
May 11 14:17:02 <mikkov_> Error: $(this).parents is not a function
May 11 14:17:02 <mikkov_> Source File: http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/js/jquery.form-defaults.js
May 11 14:17:57 <mikkov_> Line: 32
May 11 14:18:38 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Ok, I see it too.
May 11 14:24:32 <lcuk> i officially hate gmail
May 11 14:25:23 <Andrewfblack> why hate gmail?
May 11 14:25:35 <aquatix> why use gmail?
May 11 14:25:36 <aquatix> ;)
May 11 14:25:43 <aquatix> lcuk: but what's wrong?
May 11 14:26:08 <lcuk> everytime i send a mail to/from the mailing list i fill in the lovely automatically prepared reply box
May 11 14:26:26 <lcuk> and every time i do it its set to the individual who sent the mail and excludes the mailing list itself
May 11 14:26:43 * lcuk never checks, im replying to a mail i got just like every other
May 11 14:26:58 <slonopotamus> use reply-to-all, luke
May 11 14:27:02 <X-Fade> mikkov_: The script that resets the default values in the login and search boxes is messing up.
May 11 14:27:04 <slonopotamus> s/luke/lcuk/
May 11 14:27:04 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: use reply-to-all, lcuk
May 11 14:27:23 <lcuk> thats the thing i never click reply to anyone,  theres a reply box already that i use 100 times a day
May 11 14:27:25 <X-Fade> mikkov_: So we need to fix that one.
May 11 14:27:48 <aquatix> lcuk: ah, joy
May 11 14:28:04 <aquatix> lcuk: i guess the list has ML headers?
May 11 14:28:18 <mikkov_> X-Fade: k
May 11 14:28:21 <lcuk> probably
May 11 14:30:35 <lardman> hmm, nice to see details of how to access the encryption engines on that Samsung chip
May 11 14:31:19 <Stskeeps> hehe
May 11 14:31:31 * Stskeeps just hopes the cooperation with the company is not damaged.
May 11 14:31:44 <lardman> well they didn't leak it
May 11 14:31:49 <lardman> came from Russia
May 11 14:32:13 <slonopotamus> lcuk, then tell ml owners to properly set reply-to header :)
May 11 14:32:29 <Stskeeps> well, this was something else :) less than 12 hours that i put the firmware image on mer-chatter it ended up on wiki.maemo.org/Mer obviously, and then on to http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta/ , lardman
May 11 14:32:41 <Stskeeps> and it was just supposed to be an internal image.
May 11 14:32:43 <lardman> ah yes, I saw your post about that
May 11 14:33:11 <Stskeeps> i like the publicity but i hope the company understands that open source means everyone can get it
May 11 14:33:16 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, what do you want?
May 11 14:33:28 <lardman> Stskeeps: does it have a video out on that device?
May 11 14:33:32 <Stskeeps> i think it does.
May 11 14:33:38 <Stskeeps> i need a cable for it though
May 11 14:33:45 <lardman> good stuff
May 11 14:34:19 <Stskeeps> it has a tv on the headphone plug
May 11 14:34:42 <lardman> cool, just reading details on how to format TV output
May 11 14:34:43 <crashanddie__> technically so did the OMAP2 device, it just wasn't connected :)
May 11 14:34:58 <lardman> yeah
May 11 14:35:05 <lardman> plus we didn't have any decent docs for it
May 11 14:35:10 <crashanddie__> true
May 11 14:35:16 <crashanddie__> which device is this you're talking about?
May 11 14:35:22 <Stskeeps> SmartQ5
May 11 14:35:44 <lardman> well this doc gives the register offsets and how to write to them for everything I've looked at so far, looks promising
May 11 14:35:45 <AStorm> undercutting nokia share with #maemo... brilliant!
May 11 14:35:48 <AStorm> :D
May 11 14:35:55 <AStorm> except it doesn't have a phone
May 11 14:36:06 <crashanddie__> where can I get one?
May 11 14:37:08 <lardman> +1
May 11 14:37:13 <lbt> X-Fade: it's trivial ... eg I ran : bin/obs_package.pl --project Maemo:Mer:Devel:Extras:Testing --obsdir /home/lbt/data/obs http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/p/panucci/panucci_0.2-5.dsc
May 11 14:37:16 <lardman> though I'd go for the smartQ 7 I think
May 11 14:37:17 <lbt> back now :)
May 11 14:37:35 <lbt> fiferboy: no, no changed... all Mer :)    :(
May 11 14:38:18 <fiferboy> lbt: I was just looking through the code in the repository
May 11 14:38:31 * lbt nods
May 11 14:38:38 <X-Fade> mikkov_: better now?
May 11 14:38:51 <fiferboy> How did you come up with the constants you use?
May 11 14:38:59 <fiferboy> 100 ms refresh, etc?
May 11 14:39:00 <lbt> fiferboy: which? timings?
May 11 14:39:11 <fiferboy> Yes.
May 11 14:39:21 <lbt> thought
May 11 14:39:37 <lbt> they seem to work... I may have tweaked them
May 11 14:39:48 <X-Fade> lbt: Ok, so we would need to come up with a way to signal your builder with a pointer to the location of the package?
May 11 14:39:55 <lardman> Stskeeps: is the multi-format codec firmware included in anything you have?
May 11 14:40:30 <crashanddie__> stskeepdo you have a smartq5?
May 11 14:40:37 <lbt> X-Fade: well, that's my script and it looks inside the dsc and pulls the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz
May 11 14:40:42 <lbt> and ups them to OBS
May 11 14:40:57 <lbt> so what is the objective? :)
May 11 14:41:22 <X-Fade> lbt: Well we can run that too.
May 11 14:41:38 <lbt> recently I decided a simple way to think of OBS is as a version control system for source tarballs and .dsc files and whenever you commit a tarball the build farm compiles it for you
May 11 14:42:09 <lbt> so the script simplifies the process... but it's just a hack for 1st time uploads...
May 11 14:42:18 <X-Fade> lbt: I just want to add Mer here: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=2
May 11 14:42:19 <fiferboy> lbt: I wonder if tinkering with them would help improve smoothness at all, although I think only KINETIC_REFRESH would have any effect.
May 11 14:42:20 <Stskeeps> lardman: i saw some .so's but i dont think so
May 11 14:42:32 <X-Fade> And whatever work needs to be done in the background, needs to be done ;)
May 11 14:42:39 <Stskeeps> lardman: i am not sure though
May 11 14:42:40 <lbt> cool... OK
May 11 14:42:52 <lardman> Stskeeps: shame, but not a biggie, looks like that's only needed for the encoder dsp
May 11 14:42:58 <X-Fade> lbt: Since the user then only needs to upload once.
May 11 14:43:20 <lbt> yep...
May 11 14:43:33 <lbt> osc has a couple of commands
May 11 14:43:38 <lbt> osc addremove
May 11 14:43:47 <lbt> osc commit -m "message"
May 11 14:43:52 <crashanddie__> stskeep: do you have a smartq5?
May 11 14:44:07 <lardman> damn, I'm wrong, need the firmware to access the hw accel parts too
May 11 14:44:24 <X-Fade> lbt: 'automated build from Maemo Extras' ;)
May 11 14:44:25 <crashanddie__> s/p/ps/
May 11 14:44:26 <infobot> crashanddie__ meant: stskeeps: do you have a smartq5?
May 11 14:44:27 <lbt> so if you checkout the osc project, delete the files in the wd, replace them, run addremove, run commit.... you're done
May 11 14:44:46 <lbt> X-Fade: yep, I get it.... very nice :)
May 11 14:45:11 <Stskeeps> crashanddie__: yes
May 11 14:45:25 <lbt> X-Fade: have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build
May 11 14:45:28 <crashanddie__> Stskeeps: I want one, how much for shipping one to me? :P
May 11 14:45:44 <Stskeeps> crashanddie__: hehe. if the chinese haven't fucked everything up for me, i should get a vendor list..
May 11 14:45:50 <lbt> I am going to extend it to 'creating + maintaining a package in extras'
May 11 14:46:22 <lbt> fiferboy: seems reasonable
May 11 14:46:28 <X-Fade> lbt: Nice, looks great.
May 11 14:46:31 <lbt> but my shopper scrolling is very smooth
May 11 14:46:42 <lbt> so it could be Qt not being happy?
May 11 14:46:58 <Andrewfblack> what are hardware stats compaired to a N8x0 on the Smartq5?
May 11 14:47:20 <GAN800> Andrewfblack, slightly faster ARM11
May 11 14:47:23 <X-Fade> lbt: Can it query if the package is already known?
May 11 14:47:41 <lardman> 667MHz
May 11 14:47:44 <crashanddie__> 667Mhz ARM11
May 11 14:47:45 <fiferboy> lbt: Is it okay if I send you a screenshot of what I am trying to scroll?  Maybe you will have an idea
May 11 14:47:53 <Andrewfblack> for the price would be cool to get one
May 11 14:47:56 <crashanddie__> Edge/GPRS support
May 11 14:47:56 <lbt> X-Fade: yes
May 11 14:47:58 <lbt> fiferboy: yes
May 11 14:47:59 <lardman> though atm I think it runs at ~550MHz or so
May 11 14:48:10 <crashanddie__> (with USB dongle)
May 11 14:48:37 <crashanddie__> same root file system (256Mb)
May 11 14:48:40 <lbt> X-Fade: have you got osc installed?
May 11 14:48:53 <X-Fade> lbt: No, I'd have to set that up first.
May 11 14:49:03 <lbt> do you have an OBS account?
May 11 14:49:12 <Macer> hello
May 11 14:49:53 <X-Fade> lbt: Not that either. I guess I'll have to setup 2 of those ;)
May 11 14:49:54 <lbt> also X-Fade https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/
May 11 14:50:00 <lardman> finally, found the section about 3D accel
May 11 14:50:10 <lbt> can you read that w/o an account?
May 11 14:50:29 <X-Fade> lbt: yep
May 11 14:50:33 <lbt> documents all the http xml api calls :)
May 11 14:50:41 <lbt> which is what osc does for you
May 11 14:51:51 <X-Fade> lbt: Ok, looks pretty nice. Now to find time to create a script that only takes a few params and uploads the local files ;)
May 11 14:51:56 <lbt> now most of the time, running something like : osc ls Maemo:Mer:Devel
May 11 14:52:02 <lbt> is a *lot* easier
May 11 14:52:36 <crashanddie__> lardman: 3d accel on the sq5?
May 11 14:52:43 <lbt> when you start I'll work through it with you if you like... it's useful just to get pointers to what it _can_ do
May 11 14:53:05 <lardman> crashanddie_: yep
May 11 14:53:34 <GeneralAntilles> I can't wait for 3D on the RX-51
May 11 14:53:53 <lardman> I just want some new hw to hack on
May 11 14:53:56 <lbt> X-Fade: you a perl hacker?
May 11 14:54:05 <fiferboy> lbt: I sent you an email.
May 11 14:54:11 <lbt> cool
May 11 14:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, don't we all
May 11 14:54:29 <X-Fade> lbt: Not really, but reading/editing those should be ok.
May 11 14:54:32 <lardman> of course
May 11 14:54:36 <lbt> http://pastebin.com/dc246880
May 11 14:54:52 <lbt> most of osc is python ... ^^ is my hacking ;)
May 11 14:55:07 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, "Maemo" Extras? :P
May 11 14:55:31 <lbt> fiferboy: thanks very much but I don't need to extend anything...
May 11 14:55:34 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Yep, I've decided not to care anymore ;)
May 11 14:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 11 14:55:47 <lbt> hmm that may not have been your email...
May 11 14:55:53 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Everything is Maemo from now on :D
May 11 14:55:54 <fiferboy> lbt: Well, then get off my mailing list :)
May 11 14:55:55 <GeneralAntilles> "Extras" is less than half the letters, though!
May 11 14:56:16 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Hmm you've got a point there.
May 11 14:56:22 <X-Fade> Think of the time I will save..
May 11 14:56:26 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
May 11 14:56:36 <GeneralAntilles> Just drop Maemo everywhere
May 11 14:56:40 <GeneralAntilles> Call the next one "5"
May 11 14:56:46 <crashanddie__> GeneralAntilles: you done anything interesting with your beagleboard ever since you got it?
May 11 14:56:56 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie__, fuck no!
May 11 14:57:03 * GeneralAntilles <- lazy bastard
May 11 14:57:17 <crashanddie__> so why the fuck do you want new hardware?
May 11 14:57:47 <X-Fade> lbt: Thanks, that doesn't look half bad ;)
May 11 14:57:59 <crashanddie__> GeneralAntilles applies Reisner's Rule of Conceptual Inertia as a life-objective
May 11 14:58:05 <lbt> gives you an idea...
May 11 14:58:12 <crashanddie__> "If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it."
May 11 14:58:21 <X-Fade> lbt: Yeah, I can manage from there probably.
May 11 14:58:38 <toggles_w> anyone have a pointer for n810 + maemo-pan + ubuntu 9.04? i can pair the two but cannot seem to get an ip and there doesn't seem to be a 'dummy connection' in the select connection box. tia.
May 11 14:58:52 <crashanddie__> 0x92a2bc29
May 11 14:58:56 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie__, because an RX-51 comes with everything it needs to work.
May 11 14:59:02 <crashanddie__> (copyright xkcd)
May 11 14:59:03 <lbt> fiferboy: ducks!!!
May 11 14:59:05 <GeneralAntilles> The Beagle Board requires too much extra shit to be convenient.
May 11 14:59:20 <fiferboy> lbt: Theres lots of them here
May 11 14:59:24 <irgsomething> hey guys
May 11 14:59:30 * Andrewfblack will never speak bad of wayfinder cracking again, just please stop PMing me hate mail about it lol
May 11 14:59:49 <lbt> loons
May 11 14:59:53 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, yarrrr!
May 11 15:00:31 <AStorm> crashanddie_, like any rule, taken too far is crippling
May 11 15:00:49 <X-Fade> lbt: What should we do with bugowner and maintainer?
May 11 15:01:04 <crashanddie__> kill them
May 11 15:01:13 <lbt> ideally they should have an obs account :(
May 11 15:01:18 <X-Fade> lbt: Point that to the generic build user if the user is not found?
May 11 15:01:27 <lbt> yes
May 11 15:01:37 <X-Fade> lbt: We can query if the user has an account, right?
May 11 15:01:51 <lbt> not tried that...
May 11 15:01:54 <X-Fade> lbt: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/#1 says so ..
May 11 15:02:13 <lardman> Stskeeps: looks like the JPEG accel is all memory mapped register based, which is why I'm guessing it's used
May 11 15:02:27 <lbt> GET /person/<userid>
May 11 15:02:40 <X-Fade> yeah, where userid is not really an id ;)
May 11 15:02:44 <X-Fade> But username
May 11 15:02:58 <lbt> yeah, the docs are light
May 11 15:03:02 <lardman> Stskeeps: the 2D accel stuff is similar though, but I read somewhere that no 2D accel was performed; perhaps the hassle of hacking the X-server?
May 11 15:03:25 <X-Fade> Well, we know the username at garage. So it can do a lookup.
May 11 15:03:40 <lbt> yes... that's a more complex problem though
May 11 15:03:44 <RST38h> moo all
May 11 15:03:45 <lbt> there will be collisions
May 11 15:03:56 <lbt> we'll need a mapping table
May 11 15:04:06 <RST38h> what 2d accel? nobody does 2d accel any more.
May 11 15:04:07 <X-Fade> lbt: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/user.xml
May 11 15:04:13 <X-Fade> The email is in there too
May 11 15:04:16 <RST38h> so stupid, really
May 11 15:04:31 <lbt> can you query on it though?
May 11 15:04:33 <lcuk> no it isnt#
May 11 15:04:35 <lardman> RST38h: faie enough
May 11 15:04:46 <X-Fade> lbt: No, just search for the username and see if the email matches?
May 11 15:04:54 * RST38h suspects it was "fail enough" =)
May 11 15:05:30 <lbt> yes... but a table/mapping is more reliable
May 11 15:05:41 <lardman> RST38h: true :)
May 11 15:05:58 <X-Fade> lbt: I can just ask for their OBS account name.
May 11 15:06:06 <lbt> yep
May 11 15:06:14 <lbt> and store in the maemo profile?
May 11 15:06:44 <lardman> cu later
May 11 15:06:46 <X-Fade> lbt: Yeah, need to see where I store it. But that should no be a problem.
May 11 15:06:57 <lbt> fiferboy: is that OSS ? if so send me the code / git repo:)
May 11 15:07:21 <Macer> i didn't know that reiser pled to 2nd degree murder and showed them where he hid the body
May 11 15:07:40 <Macer> so he was guilty as sin huh? :)
May 11 15:07:40 <lbt> VFS layer I think
May 11 15:07:51 <fiferboy> lbt: I can send you a tarball if you like
May 11 15:07:55 <RST38h> Macer: you have been out of the loop then
May 11 15:07:56 <lbt> sure...
May 11 15:08:04 <Macer> i guess so
May 11 15:08:20 <Macer> i know he was convicted but i didn't know he took a plea and showed the authorities whrere he hid the body
May 11 15:08:23 <Macer> wow
May 11 15:08:34 <Macer> what did he do? stab her to death in the car seat then replace the seat?
May 11 15:08:42 <fiferboy> It has a scratchbox variable detection in the src.pro file
May 11 15:08:49 <RST38h> Macer: it wasn't like he had a choice, after all the evidence
May 11 15:09:01 <RST38h> Macer: who knows? who cares?
May 11 15:09:01 <lbt> fiferboy: ugh... I'll fix it up...
May 11 15:09:15 <Macer> well.. i just thought it was interesting
May 11 15:09:26 <fiferboy> I'll change it to the hildon detect that Antonio has added to the latest version when it is available
May 11 15:09:40 <RST38h> The guy is just a crazy geek whose autism made the worst of him
May 11 15:10:13 <penguinbait> stop talking about me ;)
May 11 15:10:31 <RST38h> Oh, no penguinbait, we all hope you have not got to this stage ye =)
May 11 15:10:53 * lbt wonders how to set his username to orange...
May 11 15:10:59 <Macer> abandoned by the open source community after his conviction
May 11 15:11:00 <Macer> hahaha
May 11 15:11:08 <RST38h> Abandoned by WHOM???
May 11 15:11:11 <penguinbait> like this /nick orange
May 11 15:11:20 <penguinbait> heh
May 11 15:11:48 * RST38h likes it when people believe in oxymorons, makes them so much more entertaining to watch
May 11 15:11:49 <lbt> fiferboy: I just sent the fremantle Qt to OBS this morning
May 11 15:12:10 <fiferboy> I saw that you had cleaned up some scratchbox detections.
May 11 15:12:29 <Macer> she was a mail order bride!
May 11 15:12:31 <Macer> LOL!!
May 11 15:12:43 <Macer> ok.. i'm sorry :) i'll stop now
May 11 15:13:02 <lbt> yeah Qt is very clean though.... but the diablo/fremantle split is a bit messy...changelogs don't match etc.
May 11 15:13:13 <RST38h> Macer: but of course!
May 11 15:15:55 <lbt> does anyone know the syntax of a debian blah.lintian file in debian/ ?
May 11 15:16:07 <fiferboy> Are there any big changes in the fremantle version that you know of?
May 11 15:16:49 <lbt> input changes by the look of it
May 11 15:17:15 <lbt> grep OS_FREMANTLE I think (there's a debian.fremantle/patches/ file )
May 11 15:17:47 <fiferboy> Were there any scratchbox-isms in it?
May 11 15:18:10 <lbt> 1 sec
May 11 15:18:24 <lbt> no
May 11 15:18:41 <fiferboy> That's good news
May 11 15:18:44 <lbt> all openGL related and a build-depend on nokia-binaries
May 11 15:18:49 <Macer> omfg
May 11 15:18:50 <lbt> (which is GL too )
May 11 15:19:00 <fiferboy> Ah, right.  I saw that thread too
May 11 15:19:08 <Macer> he had 2 books in the murder car about homocide investigation :) what did he have.. murder for dummies?
May 11 15:19:33 <Andrewfblack> any final comments or concerns before I PM Reggie to change minimalist over to minimalist 2.0?
May 11 15:20:49 <RST38h> Andrew: None of us have seen Minimalist2 yet, haven't we? =)
May 11 15:21:19 <RST38h> So, yea, change it by all means and let complaints come as they always do
May 11 15:22:36 <Andrewfblack> I've posted some screenshots and I've had a lot of people recommend changes off of it.
May 11 15:22:51 <RST38h> Seen the screenshots
May 11 15:27:40 <RST38h> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/iphone_temperature_warning.png
May 11 15:27:45 <RST38h> oh yesss
May 11 15:28:09 <Stskeeps> RST38h: hah
May 11 15:28:27 <RST38h> they say it mostly occurs due to external causes
May 11 15:28:34 <Stskeeps> "user on fire"
May 11 15:29:04 <lbt> I thought it was "/dev/lp on fire"
May 11 15:42:53 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
May 11 15:42:54 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
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May 11 15:43:00 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
May 11 15:43:01 <RST38h> KILL KILL
May 11 15:43:02 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
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May 11 15:43:26 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
May 11 15:43:28 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
May 11 15:43:30 <Gast_680_> http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434
May 11 15:44:06 <fiferboy> Why am I not tempted to visit that URL?
May 11 15:44:27 <irgsomething> LOL
May 11 15:44:47 <RST38h> you ain't?
May 11 15:45:05 <fiferboy> lbt: I sent you the code.  Any insight you have would be much appreciated.
May 11 15:45:25 <lbt> sure... been keeping an eye out
May 11 15:45:46 <lbt> is a big data file included .. or is that personal data?
May 11 15:45:57 <fiferboy> It is included
May 11 15:46:09 <lbt> ok
May 11 15:46:29 <fiferboy> I'm afk for a few hours, but I'll be back this afternoon (EST)
May 11 15:46:42 <lbt> got it
May 11 15:46:50 <fiferboy> Thanks!
May 11 15:46:59 <AStorm> RST38h, like, outside temperature being >= 25°C? ;P
May 11 15:48:04 <RST38h> AStorm: more like direct sunlight thing
May 11 15:48:15 <AStorm> ah, you say 35°C? :P
May 11 15:48:22 <AStorm> still not that hot
May 11 15:49:17 <RST38h> AStorm: a black item placed in direct sunlight without wind can get much hotter than that
May 11 15:55:09 <lcuk> RST38h, u frying ants again
May 11 15:57:21 <RST38h> no no
May 11 15:57:40 * RST38h has nothing against the animal world and tries never offending it
May 11 15:57:56 <RST38h> (humans are obviously not included)
May 11 15:58:38 <lcuk> has the volcano in mt doom been extenguished yet?
May 11 15:58:48 <lcuk> +spelling ffs
May 11 15:58:55 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea, wasn't there last night
May 11 15:59:11 <lcuk> did you look around to see if it had moved :|
May 11 15:59:22 <RST38h> lcuk: it hasn't, or I would know =)
May 11 16:00:03 <RST38h> funny thing is, people living around the spot bought whole boxes of beer to last them through the night of watching the show =)
May 11 16:01:05 <lcuk> fire has that effect
May 11 16:03:21 <RST38h> fire, water, men working
May 11 16:03:35 <lcuk> lol - basically any excuse for a piss up
May 11 16:13:20 <lardman> re
May 11 16:25:23 <Stskeeps> RST38h: our first blurry picture saga of mer.. http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta/
May 11 16:25:26 <Stskeeps> :P
May 11 16:27:06 <lardman> Stskeeps: did you happen to grab a ps output on the original firmware with the image view running?
May 11 16:27:11 <RST38h> Sts: =)
May 11 16:27:29 * lardman is wondering how the image view accesses the JPEG acceleration, assuming it does
May 11 16:27:39 * lardman is also being ordered to go to the shops. bbiab
May 11 16:30:20 <Stskeeps> lardman|afk: no sorry
May 11 16:36:01 * oscarx is away: almorzando
May 11 16:37:52 <AStorm> public away is evil!
May 11 16:38:14 <AStorm> unpacking mer 0.13testing1, I hope the touchscreen bug is fixed :)
May 11 16:38:37 <Stskeeps> yeah
May 11 16:41:02 * RST38h hasn't done any development of his own stuff for a month or so now =(
May 11 16:42:40 <oscarx> AStorm, sorry, you'r right.. I'm going to disable it..
May 11 16:43:19 <lardman> Stskeeps: no worries
May 11 16:51:02 <lardman> just looking at the screenshots on electroworld.cn, I see a camera icon on the device, it doesn't have one does it?
May 11 16:52:13 <Stskeeps> correct
May 11 16:52:17 <Stskeeps> no camera
May 11 16:53:09 <lardman> I wonder why the icon
May 11 16:53:26 <RST38h> coming in q7?
May 11 16:53:30 <lardman> perhaps it's actually supposed to look like something else
May 11 16:53:41 <pupnik> what screenshot is this lardman ? (hi all)
May 11 16:53:45 <lardman> nah, Q7 doesn't look like it has one either
May 11 16:53:48 <lcuk> RST38h, octal years
May 11 16:53:50 <lardman> http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/SmartQ_5.htm
May 11 16:53:56 <lardman> http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/SmartQ_7.htm
May 11 16:54:38 <RST38h> q11 next then? =)
May 11 16:54:48 <lardman> lol yeah, give it a couple of weeks :)
May 11 16:55:24 <pupnik> oh yeah smartq
May 11 16:55:29 <pupnik> getting one lardman ?
May 11 16:55:41 <lardman> yeah, just wondering how to go about it
May 11 16:56:01 <lardman> I'd prefer the big screen one I think, but not sure if they are available yet
May 11 16:56:04 <pupnik> the 7"  what is your reason for buying?
May 11 16:56:05 <pupnik> ?
May 11 16:56:19 <lardman> hw acceleration hacking, and can use it to watch videos
May 11 16:56:24 <lardman> once I hack the hw that is
May 11 16:56:39 <pupnik> 7" would be great for older folks at home, imo
May 11 16:56:50 * lardman raises hand :D
May 11 16:56:57 <RST38h> would be great for me too
May 11 16:58:04 <GAN800> Something is taking a lot of time to load on Talk at the very end of the rendering.
May 11 16:58:11 <RST38h> css
May 11 16:58:32 <GAN800> I think it may be js
May 11 16:58:53 <GAN800> The little page number selector at the top appears after the delay.
May 11 17:00:07 <andre__> hmm, looks like the first people come up that don't know the difference between bugtrackers and forums/mailinglists :-/
May 11 17:01:53 <GAN800> Hmm?
May 11 17:04:51 <RST38h> no surprise there
May 11 17:09:13 <andre__> like 4526.
May 11 17:11:27 <RST38h> "Decapitation seems to be the best solution, but unpredictable regeneration of the brain stem continues to cause difficulties."
May 11 17:11:50 <lcuk> sometimes RST38h i think you are a bot
May 11 17:12:24 <RST38h> That is because I am.
May 11 17:12:55 <lcuk> heh
May 11 17:14:06 <crashanddie__> Stskeeps: got reseller information for the sq5?
May 11 17:15:43 <Stskeeps> crashanddie__: .. well i had a minor problem earlier with some very efficient chinese, but i'm waiting for a list provided the relationship to the company isn't forever destroyed..
May 11 17:16:47 <lcuk> oh shit Stskeeps, what did you intend to say, and how did it come out? :D
May 11 17:17:01 <lcuk> did it involve their parents lol
May 11 17:17:23 <RST38h> Sts: so, who efficionalized whom?
May 11 17:17:41 <GAN800> RST38h, got a profiler somewhere that could help see what's taking forever to render?
May 11 17:17:52 <RST38h> (and no, when giving something to a random Chinese or Russian guy, you can't hope to keep it confidential, don't expect it)
May 11 17:18:23 <RST38h> GAN: On desktop Linux yes, but not on the tablet - OProfile requires a speial kernel afaik
May 11 17:18:27 <GAN800> Stskeeps, I like that I keep seeing it commented as some sort of official Maemo port. :P
May 11 17:18:45 <Stskeeps> GAN800: they refer to maemo.org in the posts though
May 11 17:19:22 <lcuk> excited that a "big" distro has noticed them :)
May 11 17:19:44 <RST38h> GAN: Is desktop ok?
May 11 17:19:49 <lcuk> it shows how right your approach is :)
May 11 17:21:32 <GAN800> RST38h, I see the same delay on FF3 on my Mini 9, so, yes
May 11 17:21:42 <RST38h> all right, what URL?
May 11 17:22:23 <lcuk> GAN800, is it like the google urchin locking up
May 11 17:22:28 <lcuk> or a *shock* virus
May 11 17:23:10 <RST38h> will see
May 11 17:26:14 * lcuk might try typing naked fingered tonight
May 11 17:26:44 <GAN800> RST38h, pick any Talk thread.
May 11 17:27:44 <RST38h> ok, will do in a second (have to reboot to Linux)
May 11 17:36:50 <RST38h> GAN: Ok, the total page isze is 226kB
May 11 17:37:23 <RST38h> there is 32kB CSS and 114kB JS
May 11 17:38:10 <RST38h> as to what the hell happens on load, I will tell you in a moment after finding and installing JS debug extension
May 11 17:38:26 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I'm thinking the js menus should be replaced by CSS ones.
May 11 17:39:42 <RST38h> I would remove both and just have a menu bar with keywords in plain HTML
May 11 17:39:50 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, or that.
May 11 17:39:51 <RST38h> this css/js stuff is just plain silly
May 11 17:40:04 <RST38h> Andrew is actually doing it for Minimalist2
May 11 17:40:13 <GeneralAntilles> I might think about mocking up something for that.
May 11 17:40:46 <RST38h> it isn't even worth a mockup - <a ...>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a ...>&nbsp;|...
May 11 17:41:05 <GeneralAntilles> There's way too much stuff for that.
May 11 17:41:29 <RST38h> well some of it will have to get hidden, unfortunately
May 11 17:41:52 <RST38h> or appear in the second menubar underneath, in smaller font
May 11 17:42:06 <RST38h> which of course require a bit of js, but not nearly as much as menu does
May 11 17:42:16 <fiferboy> lbt: How's it look?
May 11 17:52:41 <kruq> t minus 8 minutes
May 11 17:53:53 <GeneralAntilles> I thought about driving over to the other coast today but I'm just too damn lazy.
May 11 17:54:20 <RST38h> No airplanes?
May 11 17:54:57 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, erm, ~$300 a person for 3 people for a day trip to the the spaceport?
May 11 17:55:32 <GeneralAntilles> Plus rental car, since I'm not sure how close you'd actually be able to get.
May 11 17:55:33 <RST38h> ah
May 11 17:56:55 <RST38h> GAN: Talk does not appear to run any JS on load
May 11 17:56:58 <lbt> fiferboy: just hangs when I run it unde x86
May 11 17:57:03 <RST38h> At least profiler does not see any
May 11 17:57:25 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, something's still rending stuff after the progress bar is finished.
May 11 17:57:44 <fiferboy> lbt: Did you compile in a regular gcc environment
May 11 17:57:45 <RST38h> it does send a google analytics request
May 11 17:57:50 <lbt> yes
May 11 17:57:51 <RST38h> but wait, I have got some js data in
May 11 17:58:02 <lbt> qmake
May 11 17:58:04 <lbt> make
May 11 17:59:03 <RST38h> GAN: Ok, the first spot is taken by anonymous functions inside ga.js :)
May 11 17:59:24 <RST38h> GAN: The second spot is taken by vbmenu_register()
May 11 17:59:54 <RST38h> Third spot is taken by vBulletin_init()
May 11 18:02:08 <fiferboy> lbt: Is a ".birdlist" directory created in your home directory?
May 11 18:02:17 <lbt> lemme see
May 11 18:02:45 <lbt> yes
May 11 18:02:52 <lbt> 0 size .db
May 11 18:03:42 <fiferboy> Any journal file?
May 11 18:03:52 <lbt> not in there
May 11 18:03:53 <RST38h> GAN: I think it is vbmenu_register(). The ga.js stuff appears to be something else
May 11 18:04:38 <lbt> QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_sortCheck_toggled(bool)
May 11 18:04:41 <fiferboy> Oh, I know why.  Try copying the "src/data/tables" directory to "~/.birdlist"
May 11 18:04:42 <GeneralAntilles> Too much haze to see outside.
May 11 18:04:44 <lbt> QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_sortCombo_currentIndexChanged(int)
May 11 18:05:53 <RST38h> GAN: Ok, the data is in. Ready?
May 11 18:06:07 <lbt> better
May 11 18:06:14 <fiferboy> That doesn't actually stop it from running.  It happens everytime, I have to figure out where that is happening (from an old ui file)
May 11 18:06:29 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, want to CC it to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286537
May 11 18:06:32 <GeneralAntilles> ?
May 11 18:07:19 <RST38h> GAN: Well, I will tell you and you do what you want with it
May 11 18:07:43 <RST38h> For a variety of reasons I would like to abstain from that discussion, not my fight
May 11 18:07:56 <GeneralAntilles> Bundyo gathered some: http://www.bundyo.org/maemo/maemo_org_profile.png
May 11 18:08:10 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I don't think it's a fight.
May 11 18:08:20 <RST38h> GAN: Anyways, the first spot is taken by Google Analytics with 1 call taking 381 units
May 11 18:08:53 <RST38h> GAN: The second spot is taken by vbmenu_register() that gets called 16 times on each page load and takes 226 units total for 16 calls
May 11 18:09:27 <RST38h> GAN: The third spot is vBulletin_init() with one call per page load, taking 193 units
May 11 18:10:01 <RST38h> GAN: The forth spot is Google Analytics AGAIN, with 1 call of 141 units
May 11 18:10:22 <RST38h> This is it, the rest is insignificant. You can refer to me when posting this stuff to the thread.
May 11 18:10:34 <GeneralAntilles> The menu should be easy to fix.
May 11 18:10:52 <GeneralAntilles> As most of those are pretty redundant or can be made redundant.
May 11 18:10:53 <lbt> fiferboy: feature request from the wife... ID the bird from the piccy
May 11 18:11:39 <fiferboy> I'll gladly take feature requests, but image recognition is going to take me a long time to implement.
May 11 18:11:49 <lbt> ;)
May 11 18:11:54 <lcuk> fake it then!
May 11 18:12:32 <lbt> OK, lets hit armel then... you OK if I push it to public OBS?
May 11 18:13:03 <RST38h> GAN: Google Analytics eats a lot though
May 11 18:13:35 <fiferboy> lbt: Where does it show up?
May 11 18:13:56 <lbt> it's public ... Mer...
May 11 18:14:13 <lbt> :Extras:Devel for now
May 11 18:14:14 <RST38h> GAN: I am also using Google Analytics on my page, going to profile it for comparison
May 11 18:14:27 <lbt> if you'd rather not then that's OK
May 11 18:14:41 <fiferboy> I'd prefer to clean it up a bit before it hits any public repos.
May 11 18:15:02 <fiferboy> I can send you a binary if you want to try it out.
May 11 18:15:24 <RST38h> GAN: Absolutely no hits from Google Analytics on my page
May 11 18:15:46 <lbt> that's OK... I'll try it in my shopper chroot
May 11 18:16:02 <GeneralAntilles> I wish my 5800 would ship
May 11 18:16:13 <RST38h> GAN: Please notice that I am using urchin.js (old style) but talk uses ga.js (new style?)
May 11 18:16:15 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, wonder what's slowing it down on Talk
May 11 18:16:18 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
May 11 18:16:20 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
May 11 18:17:05 <RST38h> GAN: Here is what Google says about the difference:
May 11 18:17:05 <Stskeeps> ga.js? ;p
May 11 18:17:14 <GeneralAntilles> Be back later. Thanks for investigating, RST38h. I'll see what we can do with Reggie to improve it.
May 11 18:17:17 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeepie, MUHAHAHA!
May 11 18:17:30 <RST38h> Yes, Sts, our good general is solely responsible for wasting CPU cycles on talk.maemo.org
May 11 18:17:41 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yeah.. :P
May 11 18:17:43 <RST38h> KILL! BURN! IMPALE!
May 11 18:18:15 <RST38h> GAN: "Although your existing urchin.js page tags will continue to work, you may wish to update them to ga.js anyway. This will allow you to take advantage of the most up-to-date tracking functionality as it is added to Google Analytics. An immediate benefit you'll notice is that the ga.js tags allow you to track ecommerce transactions in a more readable way. And, we've created a special resource on the ga.js javascript for power users who want mor
May 11 18:18:21 <RST38h> e options"
May 11 18:18:44 <RST38h> In other words, my guess is that if Reggie changes 'em back to urchin.js, neither he not anyone else will notice
May 11 18:20:46 <mmatth1> i'm wondering if anybody knows how to reset the dns cache... i've found misc sites that all mention restarting the nscd daemon.  is that what needs to be done on maemo?
May 11 18:21:41 <Stskeeps> i think it's dnsmasq based there
May 11 18:34:50 <mmatth1> thanks.  i tried a dnsmasq restart but no luck.  i'm switching from a wlan connection to gprs.  the wlan connection resolves the name to its local/internal address.  the gprs connection should resolve to an external address...
May 11 18:38:57 <mmatth1> so when i'm on the wlan connection, i open a socket & connect.  read & write.  then when i see the gprs switch i shut down the socket and do the gethostbyname to get the ip address.  however, i'm getting the internal address which of course i can't connect to
May 11 18:43:39 <fiferboy> lbt: Did you manage to get it built for ARMEL?
May 11 18:51:26 <cyrus_mc> I have an N810, and when I connect to my computer only the external memory card is availble, not the internal.
May 11 18:51:51 <locutus> can be because files on the internal card are locked
May 11 18:52:10 <locutus> if thats the case, the kernel cant unmount the internal mmc, and thus not export it as a USB MSD
May 11 18:52:22 <locutus> you can see if this is so by using lsof in a terminal
May 11 19:04:07 <lardman> cyrus_mc: make sure you don't have a file open on the internal card, or the xterm or the filemanager, etc
May 11 19:19:48 <yerga> interesting: http://ofono.org/
May 11 19:25:40 <lbt> fiferboy: not yet
May 11 19:26:00 * lbt found something shiny
May 11 19:33:08 <lcuk> interesting mail from the dev ml :)
May 11 19:33:11 <lcuk> http://ofono.org/
May 11 19:33:32 <lcuk> "Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project
May 11 19:33:32 <lcuk> (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source
May 11 19:33:32 <lcuk> telephony solution."
May 11 19:34:16 <RST38h> hmm
May 11 19:35:28 <RST38h> This is most likely ia32 based though
May 11 19:37:07 <keesj> are there ia32 based phones out there?
May 11 19:38:33 <suihkulokki> keesj: nokia 9000i
May 11 19:38:34 <RST38h> NO
May 11 19:38:47 <RST38h> suihkulokki: no way?!?
May 11 19:39:27 <suihkulokki> RST38h: at 24MHz 386
May 11 19:45:07 <keesj> event then , it uses dbus and such so it's more about linux based system then the instruction set used
May 11 19:45:50 <RST38h> suihkulokki: please, please, please tell me it ran MSDOS =)
May 11 19:47:52 <RST38h> "But being linked wirelessly to a massive library of legal downloads, bestselling books, magazines and newspapers, is what will make a reader great. For now, the only mainstream reader that can claim such a feature is the Kindle, and the only country that can claim the Kindle is the US."
May 11 19:47:52 <suihkulokki> RST38h: it ran GEOS on top DOS
May 11 19:48:10 <RST38h> suih: even better! geos was running on top of msdos anyway
May 11 19:48:40 <suihkulokki> some info in fi_FI http://servut.us/mk/dos9kfi/
May 11 19:49:10 <RST38h> poor non-americans not having access to massive library of legal downloads....
May 11 19:49:27 * RST38h feels so sorry for them!
May 11 19:49:34 <suihkulokki> some people put even linux on it, but they had to use asmutils since busybox was too big :)
May 11 19:49:34 <derf> Suckers!
May 11 19:49:43 <RST38h> derf: who? =)
May 11 19:49:48 <derf> RST38h: The non-Americans.
May 11 19:50:02 <RST38h> derf: sure ot os not the vice versa?
May 11 19:50:19 <derf> Well, I am sure I don't have a Kindle.
May 11 19:51:35 <RST38h> derf: that is unamerican.
May 11 19:51:59 <derf> Oh. I guess I'll go move, then.
May 11 19:52:16 <RST38h> too late you are already unamerican.
May 11 19:52:20 <derf> Maybe New Zealand. It's cheap down there.
May 11 19:52:40 <RST38h> derf: 50% of skin cancer over the average lifespan
May 11 19:52:57 <RST38h> that is probability, not the percentage of your skin affected =)
May 11 19:53:03 <derf> RST38h: Only if you go outside!
May 11 19:53:40 <derf> I also don't except the cheapness to last.
May 11 19:53:51 <derf> They've just done a better job of devaluing their currency than most.
May 11 19:55:11 <derf> But, ceteris paribus, I consider myself pretty lucky to have been born American. There's lots worse places to have wound up in this world.
May 11 19:55:35 <RST38h> Definitely true
May 11 19:57:04 <RST38h> Although the restriction of your behavioral choices to making money and buying stuff is somewhat frightening
May 11 19:57:19 <derf> I don't buy much stuff.
May 11 19:58:14 <RST38h> derf: We have already determined that you are unamerican =)
May 11 19:58:25 <derf> I don't deny it.
May 11 19:59:02 <derf> I don't watch TV, either.
May 11 20:00:18 * RST38h usually limits himself to History Channel when in US
May 11 20:00:48 <RST38h> Most other channels cause involuntary "what the fuck?" response
May 11 20:01:01 <derf> Most of the Discovery Channel-related offerings are decent.
May 11 20:01:08 <derf> God forbid you ever watch network news.
May 11 20:01:39 <GeneralAntilles> History Channel is usually worse than Discovery.
May 11 20:02:27 * timeless_mbp shrugs
May 11 20:02:32 <timeless_mbp> buying stuff is fun
May 11 20:02:44 <timeless_mbp> i might have spent 2000USD for the past week or so
May 11 20:03:14 <Stskeeps> hehe
May 11 20:03:27 <Stskeeps> well eur > usd these days isn't it?
May 11 20:03:33 <timeless_mbp> has been for ages
May 11 20:03:45 <timeless_mbp> and since it's really EURs that i'm losing, it's not bad
May 11 20:04:32 <RST38h> GAN: That probably depends on personal preferences but I agree that both HC and Discovery stuff are watchable
May 11 20:05:35 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, History Channel gets a little Hitler insane.
May 11 20:05:55 <Stskeeps> ww2 coverage constantly? :P
May 11 20:06:21 <derf> GA: Wikipedia tells me that's changed since they started a separate Military History Channel.
May 11 20:06:33 <RST38h> GAN: I am suuuure it is seasonal :)
May 11 20:07:11 * xnt[at_school] is back from school
May 11 20:07:45 <RST38h> Speaking of the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmus_hitleri
May 11 20:08:02 <lizardo> fremantle autobuilder has gone crazy :(
May 11 20:08:04 <RST38h> Species specifically endangered by the nazi wannabes
May 11 20:08:18 <RST38h> lizardo: Catch X-Fade and interrogate!
May 11 20:08:30 <qgi1> jeremiah_: ping?
May 11 20:08:41 <lizardo> [extras-builds] [fremantle]: unknown unknown UNKNOWN  ... [2009-05-11 23:05:07] No .dsc files found in '/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo'  ???
May 11 20:09:06 <qgi1> ah lizardo, this is related to a question I had for jeremiah_ :)
May 11 20:09:21 <lizardo> qgi1: no problem hehe
May 11 20:09:25 <qgi1> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/May_09 says
May 11 20:09:53 <qgi1> Run a test build of all Diablo Extras packages on Fremantle . Could . Jeremiah
May 11 20:10:05 <qgi1> "The fact that developers are porting packages themselves somewhat obviates the need to me to do a lot of this. "
May 11 20:10:28 <qgi1> I'll ask in the list or something but... wouldn't this be the other way around?
May 11 20:10:35 <lizardo> qgi1: at least for PyMaemo packages that's true
May 11 20:10:46 <fiferboy> lbt: Got to go now.  Email me if you have any questions about the code
May 11 20:10:52 <qgi1> developers have to port themselves because there is no automatic move from Diablo?
May 11 20:10:52 <lizardo> qgi1: pretty much all packages were uploaded already to fremantle
May 11 20:10:54 <lbt> k
May 11 20:11:01 <qgi1> really? wow
May 11 20:11:02 <fiferboy> Thanks!
May 11 20:11:14 <lizardo> qgi1: pymaemo packages I mean :)
May 11 20:11:27 <qgi1> ahm  :)
May 11 20:12:10 * lcuk gets qgil a towel to mop up the coke he splurted out
May 11 20:12:17 <qgi1> "Reducing number of external repositories - contact outstanding owners" appears as "should", which looks more like a Could compared to the other task
May 11 20:13:12 <qgi1> same for http://wiki.maemo.org/ITP - appears as should. anyway I better tell thise where he can readi it  ;)
May 11 20:15:08 <|R> Is Fremantle using core utils or busybox still? :)
May 11 20:15:25 <Stskeeps> i think busybox, but i actually didn't check
May 11 20:34:01 <mmatth1> Stkskeeps - actually /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart" is working for me... but only if i type it into the command-line myself.  if i try to call system("/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart") then it doesn't seem to work.  any hints?
May 11 20:34:33 <Stskeeps> youÃ're running as a user vs root
May 11 20:34:35 <Stskeeps> :P
May 11 20:34:44 <mmatth1> (to clarify, in the former case i'm running my daemon and open a terminal & type the command myself.  in the other case, i'm making the "system" call from my daemon)
May 11 20:34:46 <mmatth1> as a user
May 11 20:35:01 <Stskeeps> yes, but you did it as root otherwise :)
May 11 20:35:56 <mmatth1> right, daemon is running as a user.  from the terminal i was root
May 11 20:36:03 <Stskeeps> that's why :)
May 11 20:36:11 <mmatth1> :(
May 11 20:36:13 <mmatth1> thanks
May 11 20:53:54 <Stskeeps> evening rkirti
May 11 20:54:27 <rkirti> Stskeeps : evening :)
May 11 21:01:35 <mmatth1> if the user (or an application) changes the icd connection, should icd (?? or someone, not sure about all the layers) tell dnsmasq to restart?
May 11 21:10:28 <rm_you> hrmrm
May 11 21:10:38 <rm_you> So, who from Nokia is coming to Denmark?
May 11 21:11:10 <GeneralAntilles> Lots
May 11 21:12:13 <mikkov_> there was a list somewhere
May 11 21:13:21 <rm_you> I need to convince one of them to bring me a phone :P
May 11 21:13:32 <rm_you> I'll pay them for it, of course :)
May 11 21:14:50 <rm_you> Is the N97 released in Europe?
May 11 21:15:01 <mikkov_> no
May 11 21:16:00 <rm_you> damn, yeah, looks like July >_>
May 11 21:16:17 <rm_you> I want one... so much... and my phone is basically dead...
May 11 21:19:32 <lardman> rm_you: lol
May 11 21:19:41 <lardman> good luck though :)
May 11 21:19:46 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: you going?
May 11 21:34:39 <lardman> Stskeeps: do you have kernel code somewhere too?
May 11 21:34:53 <lardman> or a link to the download site even?
May 11 21:43:41 <lardman> hmm, I wonder if that prism stuff is the firmware in the form of a table of binary data...?
May 11 21:43:49 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, Copenhagen? No.
May 11 21:44:05 <lardman> and the next summit....? Go on! :)
May 11 21:44:17 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, shoulda pre-ordered from nokiausa.com when it what $484
May 11 21:44:27 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, an EU handset wont have a US warranty
May 11 21:44:32 <GeneralAntilles> Coming out same time in US, anyway.
May 11 21:46:23 <rm_you> ah
May 11 21:46:28 <rm_you> damn it was HOW CHEAP?
May 11 21:46:31 <rm_you> >_<
May 11 21:46:32 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 11 21:46:32 <rm_you> blah
May 11 21:46:36 <GeneralAntilles> %35 off
May 11 21:46:41 <GeneralAntilles> I got a 5800 for about $250
May 11 21:46:45 <rm_you> i wish i had known
May 11 21:47:05 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 11 21:47:09 <rm_you> I wantses one >_<
May 11 21:47:15 <GeneralAntilles> Sorry, want me to call you for the next one? :P
May 11 21:47:18 <rm_you> I will have the money...
May 11 21:47:22 <rm_you> so whatever
May 11 21:47:49 <GeneralAntilles> Honestly, I'd wait for a Maemo phone before spending $500+ on a Symbian device.
May 11 21:47:51 <rm_you> still, would be great to get a nokian to grab me one and bring it :P wouldn't they get an employee discount or something? lol
May 11 21:48:01 <rm_you> yeah well that'll be WHEN exactly?
May 11 21:48:07 <rm_you> my phone is broken NOW. >_<
May 11 21:48:07 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, maybe RX-71
May 11 21:48:23 <GeneralAntilles> Get an E71, 5800, or something in the mean time.
May 11 21:48:24 <rm_you> like, majorly bizznorken
May 11 21:48:28 <rm_you> hrm
May 11 21:48:30 <rm_you> i suppose
May 11 21:48:31 <GeneralAntilles> E55, even
May 11 21:49:06 <GeneralAntilles> Be cool and join the 5800 club with me. :P
May 11 21:49:41 <rm_you> lol so spend $359 for a TEMPORARY phone? >_>
May 11 21:49:48 <rm_you> T_T
May 11 21:49:54 <GeneralAntilles> Wait for a discount
May 11 21:49:59 <GeneralAntilles> Amazon has it for $300 sometimes
May 11 21:50:02 <GeneralAntilles> Dell had it for $200
May 11 21:50:49 <rm_you> hrm
May 11 21:51:27 <GeneralAntilles> N97 isn't worth it next to an RX-51, really.
May 11 21:52:07 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, rm_you, I had this problem myself
May 11 21:52:15 <GeneralAntilles> I'm glad I didn't bother with a really expensive S60 phone
May 11 21:52:20 <rm_you> hrmrm
May 11 21:52:30 <rm_you> rmrmrm
May 11 21:52:41 <GeneralAntilles> Just wait. :P
May 11 21:52:43 <rm_you> if i buy through tmobile it'll work in the meantime i suppose
May 11 21:52:44 <GeneralAntilles> S60 sucks anyway
May 11 21:54:34 <rm_you> looking at the 3555
May 11 21:54:44 <rm_you> only phone tmobile sells that supports 3G
May 11 21:54:52 <rm_you> so i could use it with my n800 ^_^
May 11 21:55:55 <rm_you> and it's free with contract, which matters little as i'll be with tmobile for like, forever anyway
May 11 22:04:42 <pupnik_> you know the more real life you have, the less irc you do
May 11 22:05:23 <pupnik_> you know the more real life you have, the less irc you do
May 11 22:18:54 <AFBN810> Hello
May 11 22:23:38 <GuySoft> andre__, hey, i sent you the coredump
May 11 22:41:13 <shapr> Does anyone know which OMAP3 chip the next tablet will have?
May 11 22:42:55 <wjt> shapr: what're you plotting?
May 11 22:43:12 <shapr> Er, nothing really...
May 11 22:44:07 <shapr> Just trying to figure out what sort of graphics hardware and DSPs will be in the next tablet.
May 11 22:44:12 <wjt> shapr: wondered if you had sinister monadic plans :)
May 11 22:44:39 <shapr> Well, sort of...
May 11 22:45:05 <shapr> I was just investigating ARM cores, since I own two, and I wanted to see what the next tablet would offer.
May 11 22:45:16 <shapr> I am trying to build GHC for my N800 and BUG though.
May 11 22:45:24 <lardman> 3430 iirc
May 11 22:45:28 <shapr> thanks
May 11 22:45:38 <lardman> look for 3530 for the docs though
May 11 22:45:54 <lardman> spruf98b.pdf would be a good start
May 11 22:45:59 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, OMAP3430
May 11 22:46:28 <shapr> Ok, so that makes it a 600MHz core, with PowerVR SGX 530 and the C64x+ DSP ISP
May 11 22:46:39 <lardman> sounds about right
May 11 22:48:11 <shapr> So now I just have to figure out if ARM11 binaries will run on the Cortex-A8
May 11 22:48:48 <lardman> yes they will
May 11 22:49:07 <lardman> always backwards compatible
May 11 22:49:19 <shapr> spiffy
May 11 22:49:22 <lardman> though you may have issues with the version of GCC/libc/etc
May 11 22:49:36 <shapr> Yeah, I was wondering about that.
May 11 22:49:40 <lardman> what are you looking to run?
May 11 22:51:44 <shapr> I was just wondering if I could build binaries that would work on N800/BUG/whatever is nokia's next.
May 11 22:51:59 <lardman> Anyone got performance figures handy for the PowerVR chips in the omap2420 & 3x30?
May 11 22:52:03 <GeneralAntilles> API is the issue, not ABI
May 11 22:52:14 <lardman> gcc3 vs 4?
May 11 22:52:30 <lardman> no name mangling differences?
May 11 22:54:48 <LiraNuna> <lardman> Anyone got performance figures handy for the PowerVR chips in the omap2420 & 3x30?
May 11 22:54:53 <LiraNuna> there are but not in details
May 11 22:54:58 <LiraNuna> at least for the 2440
May 11 22:55:00 <LiraNuna> 2420*
May 11 22:55:54 <LiraNuna> lardman, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6023095418.html // does this help?
May 11 22:55:56 <lardman> I was looking to compare with the Samsung 6410 which reckons 4M triangles/s (transform only) and 75.8M pix/s fill rate (shaded pixels)
May 11 22:56:31 <lardman> cool thanks, that was the page I was thinking of
May 11 22:57:08 <lardman> so basically the Samsung chip is about twice as fast
May 11 23:05:40 <xnt14> ~seen Stskeeps
May 11 23:05:44 <infobot> stskeeps is currently on #maemo (10h 21m 25s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 2h 11m 48s, last said: 'evening rkirti'.
May 11 23:05:51 <xnt14> oh 2h :P
May 11 23:06:09 <xnt14> Stskeeps: you there?
May 11 23:06:14 <xnt14> which one xD
May 11 23:06:44 <xnt14> StsN800, Stskeeps, or Stskeepsie?
May 11 23:07:00 <xnt14> *ie
May 11 23:11:46 <lardman> well as exciting as it is sitting here reading about the wonders of the omap3X30 chips (and it is actually quite exciting), I think I should go to bed
May 11 23:11:54 <lardman> night all
May 12 00:08:06 <b-man> ~burn the world
May 12 00:08:06 <b-man> infobot!
May 12 00:08:07 <b-man> -_-
May 12 00:08:08 * infobot pours gasoline all over the world, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
May 12 00:11:58 <b-man>  :D
May 12 00:12:00 <b-man> lol
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May 12 00:59:43 <Shadow__X> can carman get the fuel econ
May 12 01:03:01 * b-man    
May 12 01:03:16 <xnt14> omfg :P xD
May 12 01:03:44 <b-man> did you meet mtc yet? lol
May 12 01:03:51 <xnt14> yup
May 12 01:04:12 <b-man> are you interested?
May 12 01:06:22 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, how do you propose? ;)
May 12 01:06:48 <GeneralAntilles> Most cars don't have flow gauges
May 12 01:09:08 <Shadow__X> GeneralAntilles, by the computer
May 12 01:09:22 <Shadow__X> http://www.scangauge.com/
May 12 01:10:40 <GeneralAntilles> Shadow__X, what information from the computer are you planning on using? :)
May 12 01:10:58 <Shadow__X> i just want the fuel economy of my car
May 12 01:11:11 <Shadow__X> scangauge can do it and wondered if carman could
May 12 01:11:18 <GeneralAntilles> The values needed to calculate that aren't available from the OBD-II
May 12 01:11:20 <Shadow__X> i mean it should be able to
May 12 01:11:30 <Shadow__X> then why can scan guage 2 do it
May 12 01:13:15 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe it's having you enter additional values manually?
May 12 01:14:40 <Shadow__X> i dont think so i am pretty sure you can figure out the values with just by using the cars computer
May 12 01:14:48 <Shadow__X> odb2 should give you a wealth of info
May 12 01:15:20 <GAN800> Not enough, though
May 12 01:15:31 <Shadow__X> everything could do more
May 12 01:15:40 <Shadow__X> http://www.scangauge.com/support/horsepower.shtml
May 12 01:16:49 <Shadow__X> http://www.scangauge.com/features/tripcomputer.shtml
May 12 01:16:57 <Shadow__X> it gives enough info for atleast that
May 12 01:17:33 <GAN800> Talk to the Carman devs. There IS a reason.
May 12 01:17:55 <Shadow__X> is there a carman room
May 12 01:17:56 <Shadow__X> ?
May 12 01:18:23 <Shadow__X> i rather use carman with my n810 but if am leaning towards the scangauge
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