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May 16 03:42:30 <chx> would http://www.retractablecables.com/USB-FireWire/USB_Adapters_USB_A_Male_to_Micro_A_Male_Adapter.html this work with a gender changer? it mentions otg.
May 16 03:48:40 <ShadowJK> probably
May 16 03:49:03 <ShadowJK> with usb-control (iirc) you can also use a gender changer with the bundled cable
May 16 03:49:50 <ShadowJK> I guess you'd get that one if you want to cut down on cable length :)
May 16 03:52:28 <ShadowJK> re fingerprint reader... probably not :)
May 16 03:52:56 <ShadowJK> If it works and does something useful when you plug it into a Linux desktop, it could possibly be made to do something on the tablet as well...
May 16 04:10:37 <Macer> man
May 16 04:10:49 <Macer> it's awesome i was able to build a hidd for this g1 with the android source
May 16 04:10:58 <Macer> now if only i was hardcore enough to make a gui front end for it
May 16 04:10:59 <Macer> heh
May 16 04:46:42 <RST38h> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/software_proble.html
May 16 04:46:44 <RST38h> Enjoy
May 16 05:07:04 <oDuda> hello !
May 16 05:08:44 <oDuda> hello ow
May 16 05:09:41 <Stskeeps> morning
May 16 05:10:58 <RST38h> hey asts
May 16 05:17:00 * Meiz_n810 tries to get his eyes open
May 16 05:18:54 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: i feel your pain
May 16 05:30:40 * RST38h has got stmp3780 working with a TV. 500MHz, here I go! =)
May 16 06:45:13 <thux> morning
May 16 06:47:47 <thux> if have working n800 is it worth to buy cheap n810? (230e)
May 16 06:49:08 <ShadowJK> If you want to have two tablets immediately, I guess.
May 16 06:50:23 <thux> not really
May 16 06:51:02 <thux> just thought if n810 is faster or better screen
May 16 06:52:25 <ShadowJK> With OS2008 the N800 runs exactly the same speed as N810
May 16 06:52:41 <ShadowJK> The N810 does have screen that is fully readable in direct sunlight though
May 16 06:54:15 <thux> brighter then, does it eat more battery?
May 16 06:54:46 <ShadowJK> transreflective
May 16 06:54:48 <Macer> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7627904812.html
May 16 06:54:50 <Macer> hm. that's interesting
May 16 06:55:21 <ShadowJK> Like, you could turn off the backlight completely and you could see what's on the screen
May 16 06:55:29 <ShadowJK> (in bright sunlight)
May 16 06:55:56 <ShadowJK> The colours are more washed out than if you're in the shade with backlight on, but it's like night and day compared to N800 which becomes completely unreadable in direct sunlight
May 16 06:56:47 <StsN800> Macer, i'd rather get a smartq7
May 16 06:57:09 <Macer> StsN800: yeah i was looking at that also
May 16 06:57:37 <thux> ShadowJK: thanks for info
May 16 06:58:19 <ShadowJK> I guess if sun-readable screen and a uncomfortable keyboard is worth it for you then..
May 16 06:58:22 <Macer> StsN800: also seems like a lot of the world is going the atom route
May 16 06:58:40 <ShadowJK> but I'd probably wait for the next device, unless you expect it to be too costly for you
May 16 06:58:52 <Macer> gigabyte M528 seems strangly like an n810
May 16 06:59:07 <StsN800> Macer, with crap battery times
May 16 06:59:23 * StsN800 is personally sold on arm
May 16 06:59:43 <Macer> atom is that bad on the battery
May 16 06:59:49 <Macer> it's x86 isn't it?
May 16 07:00:50 <ShadowJK> Atom is better on battery than other x86 chips... But compared to ARM it's still crud
May 16 07:01:56 <Macer> heh
May 16 07:02:09 <Macer> well. i'm just saying. there is a possibility that xp could run on the devices :)
May 16 07:02:51 <StsN800> i'm not confident  xp would be very power saing
May 16 07:03:21 <Macer> haha. realistically anything sucks up power depending on how it is used
May 16 07:03:29 <Macer> i used to kill my n800 rather quickly because i would constantly use it
May 16 07:04:56 <Macer> damn. that gigabyte costs 650
May 16 07:04:59 <Macer> gigabyte M528
May 16 07:05:04 <Macer> screw that
May 16 07:05:08 <StsN800> oh, and price..
May 16 07:05:36 <ShadowJK> You'd only use Atom if you're desperate for XP, otherwise ARM wins..
May 16 07:06:11 <Macer> oh..comes with an hspda modem built in
May 16 07:06:23 <Macer> no.. it's on a mini card
May 16 07:06:57 <Macer> 3.7v 3060mAh battery.. thats pretty strong
May 16 07:10:59 <LiraNuna> how useable is aircrack-ng is on n8x0?
May 16 07:11:17 <LiraNuna> how open are the drivers and can they be used for packet injections?
May 16 07:13:45 <Macer> well
May 16 07:13:54 <tank-man> i believe the current open drivers are beta
May 16 07:13:56 <Macer> when is this new n900 (or whatever) going to be released?
May 16 07:14:30 <LiraNuna> I hope we'll see some images of the rx-77
May 16 07:14:30 <Macer> i actually wouldn't have mind buying a wimax n810 if sprint xohm was't such a miserable failure at its infrastructure building
May 16 07:14:50 <LiraNuna> Macer, don't get a wimax version, it's declared EOL
May 16 07:14:54 <Macer> heh
May 16 07:15:06 <Macer> wimax is dead huh?
May 16 07:15:07 <LiraNuna> I bought one for the wimax and except the black (sexy) look
May 16 07:15:18 <LiraNuna> I got no benefits
May 16 07:15:20 <Macer> they only have it in.. damn. i forgot the city
May 16 07:15:26 <Macer> baltimore?
May 16 07:15:27 <LiraNuna> baltimor
May 16 07:15:34 <LiraNuna> actually
May 16 07:15:39 <Macer> i'm in chicago and they have had "in progress" on their web site for like 2 years
May 16 07:15:45 <LiraNuna> http://www.clearwire.com/ has wimax too
May 16 07:16:08 <Macer> well.. sprint has the odasity to put "with the only 4G network..." in their commercials
May 16 07:16:12 <Macer> they should be ashamed of that
May 16 07:16:24 <LiraNuna> all marketing dude
May 16 07:17:19 <Macer> clearwire is almost as bad as sprint
May 16 07:17:20 <Macer> heh
May 16 07:17:24 <LiraNuna> yep
May 16 07:17:27 <Macer> wimax is turning to be a huge dud
May 16 07:17:30 <LiraNuna> :
May 16 07:17:32 <LiraNuna> :(*
May 16 07:17:33 <Macer> such potential
May 16 07:17:37 <Macer> what a waste
May 16 07:17:46 <LiraNuna> they say rx-77 has 3G
May 16 07:18:06 <Macer> yeah. i was having a discussion earlier about how the word extreme adds 40% to the price of hardware
May 16 07:18:06 <LiraNuna> or so I think it's called..
May 16 07:18:14 * Macer points at the intel x25 ssd
May 16 07:18:22 <LiraNuna> I don't care about the price - I'd buy it anyway
May 16 07:18:31 <LiraNuna> even though I bought N810WE 3 weeks ago :D
May 16 07:18:41 <LiraNuna> unless it doesn't have HW keyboard...
May 16 07:18:44 <Macer> lol
May 16 07:18:56 <Macer> yah. i learned to love my g1's qwerty
May 16 07:19:05 <LiraNuna> N810's design is so useful
May 16 07:19:06 <Macer> which is why i stopped using my n800 and gave it to sts
May 16 07:19:27 <LiraNuna> HW keyboard makes so much difference
May 16 07:19:31 <ShadowJK> intel x25 is actually good :-)
May 16 07:19:32 * LiraNuna is an iPhone hater
May 16 07:19:44 <Macer> ShadowJK: oh no doubt
May 16 07:19:50 <Macer> it is topping out sata controllers :)
May 16 07:19:55 <Macer> but they have 2 versions
May 16 07:19:58 <ShadowJK> It blows every other SSD out of the water
May 16 07:20:06 <ShadowJK> even the MLC version does
May 16 07:20:08 <Macer> a mainsteam version and an extreme version :)
May 16 07:20:13 <Macer> which do you think costs a lot more?
May 16 07:20:24 <Macer> ShadowJK: i'm sure it does
May 16 07:20:34 <Macer> it probably goes 250MB/s for reads
May 16 07:21:19 <ShadowJK> it's like [floppydisk]--[harddrives][other SSDs][harddrives][other SSDs] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [OCZ Vertex] ------------------------------- [Intel's MLC based] ------ [ Intel's "extreme" ]
May 16 07:21:56 <Macer> lol
May 16 07:22:06 <Macer> i don't think ------- is worth the extra money :)
May 16 07:22:20 <amoult> Robot101   ] [ z4chh          ]
May 16 07:22:51 <amoult> oops
May 16 07:23:23 <Macer> ShadowJK: i'm trying to find the speed differences between the m and e
May 16 07:23:47 <ShadowJK> it has 10X the durability
May 16 07:24:08 <Macer> 10x the durability?
May 16 07:24:16 <ShadowJK> slc instead of mlc, right?
May 16 07:24:17 <Macer> does the m withstand 1000G?
May 16 07:25:38 <Macer> oh
May 16 07:25:41 <Macer> yeah you're right
May 16 07:25:46 <Macer> the write speeds are just as fast as the read
May 16 07:25:53 <Macer> ok... never mind. i was wrong. price justified :)
May 16 07:26:00 <Macer> 250MB/s read and write
May 16 07:26:09 <Macer> wow that is retarded fast
May 16 07:26:25 <ShadowJK> and mostly irrelevant :)
May 16 07:26:30 <Macer> oh.. my bad...
May 16 07:26:33 <Macer> 170MB/s
May 16 07:26:50 <Macer> ShadowJK: yeah i suppose so. there really isn't much that can write to the hd faster than 100MB/s
May 16 07:27:01 <ShadowJK> that's not the point
May 16 07:27:10 <ShadowJK> those are for sequential/streaming reads or writes...
May 16 07:27:23 <Macer> i think the fastest thing i have used was my gbit nic and it topped out at 105MB/s
May 16 07:27:42 <ShadowJK> In normal use very few things do streaming writes or reads... maybe if you had like a camera surveillance thing with 50 cameras that you wanted to record to a single disk...
May 16 07:27:56 <Macer> ShadowJK: yeah i guess that is a valid point too
May 16 07:28:05 <Macer> not many people would be writing huge files to such a small drive
May 16 07:28:22 <Macer> 70MB/s is pretty quick on its own though
May 16 07:28:25 <ShadowJK> http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/thessdanthology_031809001858/18643.png
May 16 07:28:35 <ShadowJK> THAT is what counts :)
May 16 07:28:35 <LiraNuna> anyone's collecting info about the ex-77 in any way?
May 16 07:28:38 <LiraNuna> rx*
May 16 07:28:41 <Macer> even if 170MB is faster :) you get 100MB/s write speeds for it
May 16 07:29:00 <StsN801> rx-51 and rx-71 are the codenames seen
May 16 07:29:11 <Macer> lol
May 16 07:29:22 <Macer> that's all you get as a boost from the "extreme" edition?
May 16 07:29:35 <Macer> that's like a race stripe on a car
May 16 07:29:49 <Macer> or the loud muffler that makes it sound faster than it's really going
May 16 07:30:06 <ShadowJK> "Every single drive other than the Intel X25-E, X25-M and OCZ's Vertex is slower than the 2.5" Seagate Momentus 5400.6 hard drive in this test. "
May 16 07:30:56 <amoult> I have a little question about os cloning, wiki page here http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card says that there could be better performance on cloned drive..
May 16 07:31:09 <LiraNuna> Stskeeps, I've heard 77 from someone here, so that's what I'm saying :D
May 16 07:31:23 <amoult> would N810 internal sd be faster than where the os is by default?
May 16 07:31:45 <ShadowJK> http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531&p=2 nice read about SSDs, anandtech really "gets it"
May 16 07:31:46 <Macer> amoult: not sure what the internal flash is rated but class 6 cards are newer and may go faster
May 16 07:31:58 <ShadowJK> other sites just blindly benchmark read/write speeds, which are meaningless for real life performance :)
May 16 07:32:18 <amoult> is there significant boost if thats the sole reason I would clone OS?
May 16 07:32:46 <Macer> amoult: there would be a huge increase in actual storage size for apps etc
May 16 07:33:06 <Macer> and i am sure you will see some gain in speeds depending on the class of sd you use
May 16 07:33:28 <amoult> which class card you would recommend?
May 16 07:33:45 <Macer> 6 is the highest so far i am sure
May 16 07:33:55 <Macer> usually it will have its class on the sd in a circle like thing
May 16 07:34:11 <Macer> if you buy them online they usually list their class
May 16 07:35:37 * ShadowJK couldn't tell much of a difference between N810 immc and a Class 6 card when doing random-write benchmarks
May 16 07:35:44 <Macer>  It still wasn’t worth $1000, but it was worth a lot more than I originally thought.
May 16 07:35:47 <Macer> haha
May 16 07:36:46 <amoult> yeah, I had some old card and it caused severe battery drain problems. Is there list somewhere which card brands/models are known to work well ? ..or is any new card a safe bet?
May 16 07:37:43 <RST38h> SanDisk works.
May 16 07:38:00 <chx> of course
May 16 07:38:03 <RST38h> That is really all one needs to know, given that SanDisk also tends to produce biggest cards
May 16 07:38:05 <chx> just be careful
May 16 07:38:15 <chx> when you buy off eBay or craigslist
May 16 07:38:24 <chx> you can get .... intersting things
May 16 07:38:31 <RST38h> Ah, but, Micro2Mini adapters from SanDisk only works if you buy an SD one (but not SDHC)
May 16 07:38:32 <chx> SanDisk also tends to be expensive.
May 16 07:38:53 <chx> RST38h: wtf? micro2mini is a mechanical adapter
May 16 07:38:55 <RST38h> chx: once 3-4 months pass, it all becomes crap and costs appropriately
May 16 07:39:03 <RST38h> chx: yea, that is the funny thing :)
May 16 07:39:04 <Macer> ShadowJK: hey
May 16 07:39:12 <Macer> was the problem with the JMicron controller?
May 16 07:39:40 <RST38h> chx: it should be just wires, but SDHC adapter from Sandisk does not work in N810 and SD adapter from their 1gb cards does
May 16 07:39:48 <chx> Macer: in general, JMicron is a problem
May 16 07:39:50 <Macer> oh never mind
May 16 07:39:51 <Macer> heh
May 16 07:39:56 <Macer> he explained what was wrong
May 16 07:40:15 <ShadowJK> basically optimizing for the sequential read/write things everybody was benchmarking ;)
May 16 07:40:23 <chx> Macer: ever tried to use a JMicron SATA controller under an OS where the driver does not cover the raw edges like Linux?
May 16 07:41:11 <ShadowJK> It's not entirely jmicron's "fault" wrt SSD.. Flash based storage is different from harddrives... the block sizes are gigantic in comparison
May 16 07:41:15 <chx> "JMicron SATA/IDE controllers are often incompatible with some boot loaders. In particular, those using GRUB, such as Ubuntu, cannot boot in some conditions"
May 16 07:41:29 <chx> Thats all you need to know about JMicron
May 16 07:41:31 <chx> RUN.
May 16 07:41:33 <chx> FAST.
May 16 07:42:22 <Macer> chx: i'm just reading this article about ssds
May 16 07:42:57 <ShadowJK> So the guy complaining typing a line in AIM chat caused his computer to freeze... Well, if the manufacturer of the SSD has parallelled a bunch of mlc controllers in a raid-0 setup to boost sequential write/read performance, the controller might have to read a megabyte of data or more, modify 512 bytes of it, write it back... and do this several times just for one line of chat (the disk IO being caused by the client logging, presumably)
May 16 07:43:07 <ShadowJK> I think he explains the structure of flash later on :)
May 16 07:43:28 <Macer> haha
May 16 07:43:29 <Macer> yeah
May 16 07:43:38 <Macer> wow that must have sucked
May 16 07:43:40 <Macer> :)
May 16 07:43:49 <amoult> all 4GB or larger miniSD cards are SDHC right?
May 16 07:44:01 <Macer> i would have been seriously pissed... but he is right when he says they were used to making thumb drives and compact flash drives
May 16 07:44:09 <ShadowJK> amoult, yeah I'd think so
May 16 07:44:34 <Macer> after all these vendors and controller manufacturers were used to making USB sticks and CF cards, not hard drives.
May 16 07:44:39 <ShadowJK> Macer, yeah see, it's perfectly fine for digital cameras, video cameras and such, because there all you need is fast sequential write/read :)
May 16 07:44:44 <chx> why would i want more than 2-4gb?
May 16 07:44:54 <chx> i am just asking.
May 16 07:44:54 <RST38h> amoult: yes
May 16 07:45:02 <RST38h> chx: video.
May 16 07:45:09 <RST38h> with audio close second
May 16 07:45:22 <RST38h> also maps
May 16 07:45:58 <chx> video... what codec do we use on that device (mine is being shipped so i do not know yet). H.264?
May 16 07:46:12 <ShadowJK> mpeg4 asp
May 16 07:46:20 <ShadowJK> h264 isn't that great
May 16 07:46:21 <Macer> x25e 32GB is 12.88/GB
May 16 07:46:22 <Macer> haha
May 16 07:46:54 <ShadowJK> chx, http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding
May 16 07:49:39 * RST38h absolutely hates it when the board does not let him go past 400MHz just because SDRAM chip can't pull at 150MHz
May 16 07:50:41 <RST38h> On the other hand, at least it supports 64MB SDRAM
May 16 07:51:01 <chx> Macer: these SSDs are child toys
May 16 07:52:03 <Macer> maybe
May 16 07:52:15 <Macer> i think that a smaller faster drive is better than a larger slower one any day
May 16 07:52:21 <Macer> at least for the OS drive
May 16 07:52:27 <chx> Macer: the real game beings with Fusio-IO ioDrive
May 16 07:53:00 <Macer> haha
May 16 07:53:29 <Macer> that is interesting
May 16 07:53:44 <chx> and then the RamSan boxes
May 16 07:53:58 <ShadowJK> Macer, yeah.. I'm seriously tempted by OCZ Vertez in 16-32GB range..
May 16 07:54:04 <chx> of course, we our needs are likely to be different
May 16 07:54:09 <Macer> those are server cards tho
May 16 07:54:17 <Macer> pcie 4x for servers
May 16 07:54:18 <chx> Well, I live that
May 16 07:54:21 <Macer> i'd rather use a cf
May 16 07:54:53 <chx> what do you do when your database shows you the finger runnning  on eight 15K disks in a RAID0+1 ?
May 16 07:55:07 <Macer> hahhha
May 16 07:55:17 <Macer> special circumstance
May 16 07:55:30 <Macer> i was looking at ssds in end user use
May 16 07:55:52 <ShadowJK> chx, don't shout at the disks atleast, Sun proved it makes it worse :)
May 16 07:56:05 <Macer> how much are these cards chx ?
May 16 07:56:06 <pupnik_> loud noises?
May 16 07:56:14 <chx> Macer: 7000 bucks or so
May 16 07:56:27 <chx> Macer: honestly? not too much
May 16 07:56:28 <Macer> for how large?
May 16 07:56:59 <Macer> how much space does $7000 give you for fusionio card?
May 16 07:57:41 <Macer> that would be a $7000 horror if the thing broke on you :)
May 16 07:58:21 <chx> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1694945&cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBase-_-Data%20Storage/Drives-_-1694945_FUSION%20160GB%20IODRIVE%20PCIE%20X4_FUI-FS1-B01-160-ES-421
May 16 07:58:30 <chx> 160gb
May 16 07:58:40 <chx> the 80gb is just 3000
May 16 07:59:01 <Macer> hahaha
May 16 07:59:20 <Macer> well.. ill read up on them later
May 16 07:59:26 <Macer> i would love to see what types of redundancy they have
May 16 07:59:27 <doc|home> shit, for 3k I'll say 1s and 0s faster than you can imagine
May 16 07:59:39 <Macer> doc|home: haha
May 16 07:59:53 <Macer> chx: i was looking at end user ssd
May 16 08:00:06 <Macer> i think a fusionio would be a little overkill for my laptop or something :)
May 16 08:00:22 <Macer> well... desktop i guess since they are pcie cards
May 16 08:00:23 <chx> well, if i were to buy SSD in my notebook I would buy an X25-E
May 16 08:00:25 * ShadowJK tries to find a fast 1GB SD card
May 16 08:00:32 <ShadowJK> (my previous one died :( )
May 16 08:00:40 <chx> even this is a bit overkill, but i am wary of MLC
May 16 08:00:53 <Macer> i am wary of everything
May 16 08:01:06 <Macer> like i said.. those things can break too :)
May 16 08:01:24 <Macer> i mean don't get me wrong.. for $3000 it sure in teh fuck better not.. and you get what you pay for...
May 16 08:01:28 <chx> Video data rate and resolution is limited to about 800Kbps and 400x240 (352x288 on the 770).
May 16 08:01:28 <Macer> but it can happen :)
May 16 08:01:32 <chx> Sucks.
May 16 08:01:43 <chx> MPlayer for Maemo is not as limited as the built-in Media player, and recommended over the built-in player for all users. More video codecs are supported, higher video bitrates and resolutions will play without framedrop, and external subtitles are supported.
May 16 08:01:43 <Macer> chx: yes it does
May 16 08:01:44 <chx> YAY
May 16 08:02:07 <Macer> but why would you need more for the n800?
May 16 08:02:25 <Macer> it isn't like it's a high def television
May 16 08:02:35 <chx> x240?
May 16 08:02:37 <chx> pfffft
May 16 08:02:48 <Macer> heh
May 16 08:02:55 <chx> I want 768x480
May 16 08:03:07 <chx> or so.
May 16 08:03:15 <Macer> use an n95 then :)
May 16 08:03:24 <Macer> has a hw decoder
May 16 08:03:27 <chx> hah
May 16 08:03:39 <Macer> even if it uses symbian :-\
May 16 08:03:42 <Macer> damn you nokia
May 16 08:03:45 <chx> i have a Nokia E51
May 16 08:03:48 <Macer> MAKE A NEW SYMBIAN
May 16 08:03:53 <chx> an external BT GPS receiver
May 16 08:03:56 <Macer> i want iSymbian
May 16 08:03:58 <Macer> hahaha
May 16 08:03:59 <chx> I am already pretty well equipped
May 16 08:04:19 <chx> but the problem is, sometimes I badly need to SSH when not home
May 16 08:04:29 <Macer> you can't ssh from the e51?
May 16 08:04:32 <chx> now, a freedom slim keyboard is 60 bucks
May 16 08:04:35 <ShadowJK> my E70 is nice for SSH, it even has ctrl key :)
May 16 08:04:52 <chx> i have an E70 too, where is HSDPA?
May 16 08:04:56 <Macer> my g1 is great for it
May 16 08:04:59 <Macer> :)
May 16 08:05:05 <chx> the g1 is a) expensive b) low res.
May 16 08:05:16 <chx> the res is important when flying
May 16 08:05:18 <Macer> it was $180
May 16 08:05:22 <chx> I want to watch videos
May 16 08:05:27 <chx> with a contract
May 16 08:05:28 <ShadowJK> you need hsdpa for ssh?
May 16 08:05:31 <Macer> haha
May 16 08:05:39 <ShadowJK> isn't wcdma enough :)
May 16 08:05:40 <chx> ShadowJK: not just ssh
May 16 08:05:41 <Macer> you want to watch high res vids on a mobile device?
May 16 08:05:51 <Macer> i mean... doesn't he small screen kind of defeat the purpose?
May 16 08:05:52 <chx> just DVD res.
May 16 08:05:55 <ShadowJK> But yeah, I wish nokia would make a new E70
May 16 08:06:22 <Macer> you are correct though. g1 only plays lower res vids
May 16 08:06:35 <Macer> but i mean... you can watch them :) i wasn't expecting the imax experience
May 16 08:06:39 <chx> LOL
May 16 08:06:45 <chx> that imax experience is a ie
May 16 08:06:47 <chx> *lie
May 16 08:06:56 <chx> i mean, sure, we have an imax theatre
May 16 08:07:06 <chx> but then again I was in the Metreon in SF
May 16 08:07:20 <chx> that's.... that's... unbelievable
May 16 08:07:47 <Macer> doesn't imax use like
May 16 08:07:48 <chx> I was SO lucky: i spent less than 24 hours in SF (thanks god, i hate that cesspit) and just when 300 was airing in IMAX in the Metreon
May 16 08:07:53 <chx> that was quite a something
May 16 08:07:58 <Macer> 60 frames per sec film or something?
May 16 08:08:11 <Macer> or something faster... like 120
May 16 08:08:21 <chx> http://gizmodo.com/5250625/cineplexes-getting-imax-but-is-it-really-imax
May 16 08:08:40 <Macer> they're faking imax? :)
May 16 08:08:45 <Macer> our imax is in the museum
May 16 08:08:53 <Macer> or at least it was last i checked. museum of science and industry
May 16 08:09:49 <chx> well its particularly easy to check
May 16 08:10:00 <chx> if your imax theatre is like seven stories tall, its real :P
May 16 08:11:15 <chx> i mean, the Metreon screen is 80 feet tall.
May 16 08:12:43 <ShadowJK> "here are two things you don’t want to do when writing to flash: 1) you don’t want to overwrite data, and 2) you don’t want to erase data. If flash were used as a replacement for DVD-Rs then we wouldn’t have a problem, but it’s being used as a replacement for conventional HDDs. Who thought that would be a good idea?"
May 16 08:12:49 <ShadowJK> heh :)
May 16 08:13:52 <Macer> but this screen is coupled with the removal of several rows of seats which allows it to be scooted roughly 30 feet closer to the audience, creating a sort of sitting too close the TV effect with a screen that, I was told, is perceived as 75 feet wider than before.
May 16 08:14:09 <Macer> chx: our imax was actually this huge dome thing
May 16 08:14:38 <Macer> it's odd that i was just at the museum and didn't think about it :)
May 16 08:16:40 <chx> yeah those domed stuff is cool
May 16 08:16:44 <chx> *are coo
May 16 08:17:28 <chx> we have an IMAX SR screen which shows movies and a real imax in a museum downtown  (Vancouver)
May 16 08:19:20 <chx> but check these super exciting http://www.tribute.ca/theatre/IMAX+Theatre+Canada+Place/IMAXCN movies
May 16 08:19:24 * chx yawns
May 16 08:21:49 <pupnik_> omnitheater
May 16 08:22:24 <Macer> heh
May 16 08:22:35 <Macer> film costs $40,000?
May 16 08:23:18 <Macer> i don't understand how the projectors are digital and use film. is that like a digital record player ?
May 16 08:25:23 <chx> night
May 16 08:34:51 <RST38h> Macer: they read digital movies off perforated film
May 16 08:35:16 <RST38h> Still need a special guy to glue it together if it breaks
May 16 08:45:41 <rhaamo> hi people
May 16 08:47:09 <rhaamo> i've a small problem ... i've changed the password for "locking" a day i think, but i can't remember it :/ and when starting my n810 it prompt for it :( any ideas to reset it without full reinstall ? i've the bootmenu so i can acces it over the network ..
May 16 08:48:32 <pupnik_> ask the person you stole it from?
May 16 08:48:45 <pupnik_> just kidding :)
May 16 08:48:53 <rhaamo> :p
May 16 08:48:55 <pupnik_> hang around rhaamo maybe someone knows
May 16 08:49:00 <rhaamo> yes :)
May 16 08:51:00 <pupnik_> can u ssh to device?
May 16 08:52:02 <rhaamo> it start and prompt directly for password, i can't access to the gui to start wifi :p
May 16 08:54:10 <lcuk> \o
May 16 09:08:55 <rhaamo> i've the / mounted via the bootmenu, if someone have ideas to remove the password now :)
May 16 09:17:29 <pupnik_> http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+reset+lock+password  rhaamo
May 16 09:19:05 <pupnik_>  rhaamo - powerline
May 16 09:19:11 <pupnik_> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-March/032983.html
May 16 09:19:44 <rhaamo> thx i will try..
May 16 09:21:50 <rhaamo> grmbl, can't exec any binary inside /tmp/
May 16 09:22:04 <ShadowJK> is it just me or does mp3 play and stream just fine with media player even if you force the device into 133Mhz..
May 16 09:23:00 <tank-man> maybe boot up in single user mode to change password
May 16 09:23:04 <ShadowJK> not that big of a difference in power consumption though
May 16 09:24:24 <ShadowJK> 166 not 133
May 16 09:28:54 <lcuk> is there a way i can create a network share on my n810 and access it directly from windows with \\n810\sharename
May 16 09:30:22 <ShadowJK> I guess you'd need to get the samba server compiled, installed and setup :)
May 16 09:31:39 <lcuk> thx ShadowJK ill look into i
May 16 09:31:40 <lcuk> t
May 16 09:40:03 <tank-man> quickest way maybe using the debian chroot and installing samba in there and then adding the share thru the web interface
May 16 09:40:17 <tank-man> localhost:901
May 16 09:50:48 <lcuk> tank-man, that doesnt sound quick
May 16 09:51:35 <tank-man> i can't think of a quicker alternative
May 16 09:51:59 <tank-man> unless someone made a package for maemo
May 16 09:52:53 <lcuk> well i found sambe is installed
May 16 09:52:57 <lcuk> samba
May 16 09:53:08 <lcuk> and ive just added an entry to its conf file and rebooted
May 16 09:53:12 <lcuk> and im just seeing :)
May 16 09:55:18 <pupnik_> hope rx51 can recharge (if slowly) from USB
May 16 09:55:50 <pupnik_> and simple usb networking would help for those need-to-xfer-fast moments
May 16 10:11:02 <lardman> morning all
May 16 10:11:10 <lardman> no roundabouts in sight I hope :)
May 16 10:12:49 <lcuk> heh mornin
May 16 10:13:06 <lcuk> damn @ samba not being full server
May 16 10:14:29 <lardman> so it's definitely called a Merry-go-round
May 16 10:14:37 <lardman> and a carousel is a big one
May 16 10:14:58 <lardman> and a roundabout is a thing you try to slide around in a car, while cursing other people who foolishly pull infront of you
May 16 10:15:34 <lardman> s/carousel is a big one/carousel is a big one with horses and stuff
May 16 10:18:23 <lardman> lcuk: how's Tracy?
May 16 10:19:03 <lcuk> sleeping, she tried to go to work this mornin but came back an hour later
May 16 10:19:13 <lardman> what's up?
May 16 10:19:25 <lcuk> just a bit poorly
May 16 10:19:44 <lardman> ah, poor thing, pass on my best wishes
May 16 10:19:50 <lcuk> wil do :)
May 16 10:20:09 <lcuk> ive apparantly found an implementation of sshfs for windows!
May 16 10:20:11 <lcuk> thats free!
May 16 10:20:43 <lardman> hmm, my computer seems to think it's 31/12/07
May 16 10:20:47 <lardman> very odd
May 16 10:21:06 <lcuk> but it IS 31/12/07 - you mustv drunk too much wine last night
May 16 10:21:17 <lardman> hmm
May 16 10:21:24 <lardman> fell through a black hole!
May 16 10:21:41 <lcuk> no? its 31/12/2107 ??
May 16 10:22:03 <lcuk> didnt you watch the pluto landing last week?
May 16 10:22:25 <lardman> oi
May 16 10:22:40 <lardman> hmm, I'm sure I didn't have a 5' beard when I went to bed last night
May 16 10:22:53 <lcuk> :D
May 16 10:23:08 <lcuk> you missed your wedding and everything!
May 16 10:23:53 <lardman> :D
May 16 10:24:03 <lardman> damn Amazon and their MP3 downloads, I want a CD!
May 16 10:24:11 <lardman> or do they not exist anymore?
May 16 10:24:19 <lardman> probably holographic laser implants of some such
May 16 10:26:02 <lcuk> heh cds are good but you are right they are fading
May 16 10:26:11 <lcuk> sshfs to windows works!
May 16 10:26:16 <lcuk> and it was free :D
May 16 10:26:21 <lcuk> and open source ish
May 16 10:26:41 <lardman> good good
May 16 10:26:46 <lcuk> for people wanting to use it themselves its: dokan sshfs
May 16 10:27:07 <lcuk> im viewing my maemo stuff in windows easily :)
May 16 10:27:28 <lcuk> (thats for the benfit of google searchers :D)
May 16 10:27:57 <lcuk> thats actually really good to do
May 16 10:28:53 <lardman> so my comment about roundabouts should now stretch out and educate the world(s)?
May 16 10:29:06 <lcuk> yeah lol
May 16 10:29:12 <lcuk> but its still a roundabout
May 16 10:29:28 <lcuk> we have never called them merrygorounds
May 16 10:29:31 <lcuk> cos they aint merry
May 16 10:29:36 <lardman> I don't know what you let your children do, but I certainly wouldn't let mine play on one, even on the grassy bit in the moddle
May 16 10:29:39 <lardman> middle
May 16 10:29:46 <lardman> ;)
May 16 10:29:51 <lcuk> heh
May 16 10:30:01 <lardman> well the feeling you get is the same as when you get a bit too "merry"
May 16 10:30:16 <lardman> I think it works on many levels :)
May 16 10:30:34 <lcuk> i like how some cities make roundabouts a centre piece and so you can use them for directions
May 16 10:31:04 <lardman> Milton Keynes?
May 16 10:31:44 <lardman> The problem with directions near roundabouts is that you're usually lining up for the best line through, hard to read the signs (and the bloody speed limit changes they often stick there too!)
May 16 10:32:11 <lcuk> yeah, but i meant abroad
May 16 10:32:21 <lardman> ah gay Paris
May 16 10:32:27 <derf> John Maynard Friedman?
May 16 10:32:29 <derf> What?
May 16 10:32:31 <lcuk> milton is a nightmare no matter how well you dress it up
May 16 10:32:43 <lardman> has nice concrete cows though
May 16 10:33:01 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Cows just in case you don't know
May 16 10:33:06 <derf> There's actually a town named Milton Keynes?
May 16 10:33:30 <lardman> yep
May 16 10:33:31 <glass> ye
May 16 10:33:44 <derf> That's... awesome, I suppose.
May 16 10:34:45 <lardman> poety + economics, I wonder if that was the effect the town planners were after...?
May 16 10:35:38 <derf> I was thinking of a different Milton.
May 16 11:23:30 <thopiekar> is there somebody familar in chrooting and xephyr?
May 16 11:23:56 <lcuk> qole is chroot king
May 16 11:24:31 <thopiekar> hmm when is he usually online?
May 16 11:25:11 <lcuk> catch him in itt
May 16 11:25:18 <lcuk> t.m.o tather
May 16 11:25:20 <lcuk> rather
May 16 12:53:55 <Macer> blah
May 16 12:56:56 <Macer> ugh. i'm at some usmc administrative screening
May 16 12:57:15 <Macer> and they are playing this song over and over and over and it is driving me nuts
May 16 12:57:29 <Macer> i wonder if they have subliminal shit in it that tries to get you to re-enlist
May 16 12:57:30 <Macer> haha
May 16 13:25:46 <fiferboy_n810> lbt:  Hey
May 16 13:36:40 <RST38h> http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/16/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccvii-nokla-batman-mobile-phone-gets/
May 16 13:36:48 <RST38h> (but will it pair? =))
May 16 13:39:58 <lbt> fiferboy_n810: hi
May 16 13:41:43 <fiferboy_n810> lbt: Got your latest code
May 16 13:41:54 <fiferboy_n810> It fixes the scrollbar jumping at the bottom
May 16 14:09:43 <RST38h> Anyone knows what package I have to install in Ubuntu to get Xlib.h and other X11 headers
May 16 14:11:49 <soap> apt-cache search?
May 16 14:12:50 <RST38h> search what?
May 16 14:13:02 * RST38h isn't familiar with apt-cache syntax
May 16 14:13:39 <yerga> RST38h, libx11-dev?
May 16 14:14:14 <yerga> a useful site is http://packages.ubuntu.com/
May 16 14:14:27 <yerga> the section named 'Search the contents of packages'
May 16 14:14:31 <RST38h> yerga: thanks!
May 16 14:14:54 * RST38h admits that was kinda obvious but he is stupid and used to get all this stuff by default
May 16 14:21:55 <lopz> hola
May 16 14:26:33 <Jaffa> Af'noon
May 16 14:44:35 <keesj> RST38h:  dpkg -S Xlib.h
May 16 14:44:42 <keesj> libx11-dev: /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h
May 16 14:45:17 <RST38h> keesj: !
May 16 14:49:46 <GAN800> Hi, Jaffa.
May 16 14:51:48 <keesj> jeremiah uses apt-file search Catalyst/Devel.pm
May 16 15:15:16 <GAN800> lcuk, mind moving that to the wiki?
May 16 15:16:04 <lcuk> yes i do mind lol, im working :)  it proves qole and jaffa etcs point
May 16 15:16:32 <lcuk> i dont know wiki syntax nor do i care to learn it again for little things
May 16 15:16:37 <lcuk> if its wanted put it there please :)
May 16 15:21:28 <Macer> omfg
May 16 15:21:35 <RST38h> ?
May 16 15:21:48 <Macer> this shit is reminding me why i didnt re-enlist
May 16 15:22:18 <Macer> the marine corps was like living in the dmv. and i mean the old wait in long ass lines dmv
May 16 15:22:33 <Macer> not the new grab the ticket shit
May 16 15:23:38 <RST38h> What happened anyway?
May 16 15:24:32 <Macer> i am stuck in an inactive ready reserve brief for people who arent active anymore but still obligated for inactive time
May 16 15:24:44 <Macer> and i am dying to go home
May 16 15:24:45 <RST38h> Oh...
May 16 15:24:53 <RST38h> Do they at least pay you for it?
May 16 15:25:02 <Macer> yeah. $200
May 16 15:25:13 <Macer> from 830-1200
May 16 15:25:25 <RST38h> For a day of listening to martial bullshit?
May 16 15:25:29 <Macer> but i dont need the money
May 16 15:25:34 <Macer> yup
May 16 15:25:40 <Macer> and filling out forms
May 16 15:25:45 <Macer> its torture
May 16 15:26:08 * RST38h didn't get paid for this crap back at the university
May 16 15:26:12 <Macer> i hope they end it in a couple minutes
May 16 15:26:21 <RST38h> And cellular networks did not exist.
May 16 15:27:05 <Macer> lol
May 16 15:27:20 <thux> RST38h: how long ago that was?
May 16 15:27:28 <RST38h> thux: 1989-1991
May 16 15:27:41 <thux> ok
May 16 15:28:13 <RST38h> thux: At some point, I just stopped coming there, figured that I am gonna leave for US anyway so they have no legal leverage on me
May 16 15:29:15 <thux> ok
May 16 16:15:12 <GAN800> lcuk, there isn't anything to learn.
May 16 16:15:26 <GAN800> You can paste the existing text block in there.
May 16 16:22:09 <dmsuperman> How do I mount my n800 to my computer with my usb cable?
May 16 16:22:10 <dmsuperman> I forgot
May 16 16:22:19 <Stskeeps> plug it in? :P
May 16 16:22:29 <Stskeeps> it acts as a usb mass storage cable
May 16 16:22:38 <Stskeeps> err. storage
May 16 16:22:48 <dmsuperman> Hrm, it's not showing up :S
May 16 16:22:53 <dmsuperman> Does the device need to be on?
May 16 16:23:08 <Razumihin> Yes.
May 16 16:23:24 <Razumihin> Both the n800 and the computer.
May 16 16:23:25 <Stskeeps> doesnt turn on on its own, nor charges through usb
May 16 16:23:27 <Razumihin> ;)
May 16 16:23:49 <dmsuperman> Is there something magic I need for doing it with linux on the PC?
May 16 16:24:31 <Razumihin> you could manually mount it if you know where it's located under /dev.
May 16 16:24:53 <Razumihin> But if you're using standard ubuntu it should mount.
May 16 16:25:08 <dmsuperman> fdisk -l isn't listing it is my issue :P
May 16 16:25:55 <yerga> dmesg?
May 16 17:36:46 * Stskeeps yawns
May 16 17:38:18 <GAN800> Got a pbnb for lunch but forgot chips.
May 16 17:38:27 <GAN800>  /dumbass
May 16 17:38:33 <Stskeeps> hehe
May 16 17:38:39 <Stskeeps> i read it as having penguinbait for lunch :P
May 16 17:38:45 <RST38h> umgh
May 16 17:39:07 * GAN800 puts a bullet through his brain.
May 16 17:39:26 <GAN800> RST38h, had any luck with the Messaging beta on the 5800?
May 16 17:48:16 <Stskeeps> regretting the 5800 purchase? :P
May 16 17:49:24 <RST38h> GAN: No, I moved it to a folder named Trash and installed an ICQ client
May 16 17:49:48 <RST38h> same with Download and a few other programs
May 16 17:50:33 <GAN800> Stskeeps, meh, it's a pretty decent phone, but I was expecting more stability and polish.
May 16 17:51:06 <RST38h> it feeels ok if you do not purposely step onto Nokia "services"
May 16 17:51:35 <GAN800> RST38h, I installed it, it worked once (and looked quite nice) then choked on my gmail inbox and I haven't been able to get anything besides the default mail client since.
May 16 17:53:33 <RST38h> Public opinion kinda indicates that ProfiMail is the best S60 mail client
May 16 17:54:18 <RST38h> I would install a cracked version to test, then buy it if you like it
May 16 17:54:33 <RST38h> 22 euros
May 16 17:55:54 <GAN800> Yeesh
May 16 17:56:08 <GAN800> I'll just wait for the FOSS Fremantle Modest. . . .
May 16 17:56:14 <Stskeeps> isn't it open source?
May 16 17:56:20 <Stskeeps> it's in fremantle beta afaik
May 16 17:56:37 <RST38h> GAN: Stakes are low in favor of that :) :(
May 16 17:56:56 <GAN800> RST38h, did you see the screencast?
May 16 17:57:05 <RST38h> Yes, I did
May 16 17:57:22 <RST38h> But that does not say anything about stability unfortunately
May 16 17:57:26 <GAN800> Stskeeps, my point was in comparison to the fscking expensice commercial S60 client. ;)
May 16 17:57:40 <GAN800> RST38h, meh.
May 16 17:57:44 <RST38h> If you remember the Diablo Modest could not even connect to many accounts (including GMail) and still has problems connecting
May 16 17:57:56 <GAN800> Lunch over. :(
May 16 17:58:26 <RST38h> GAN: Builtin S60 email client is actually ok, although not stellar
May 16 17:59:29 <RST38h> IM client: http://www.series60v5.net/index.php?categoryid=8&p13_sectionid=3&p13_fileid=18 (it was free last time I checked, so you won't violate anything installing it)
May 16 18:50:34 <Macer> ugh
May 16 18:52:18 <Stskeeps> mm?
May 16 19:04:18 <Macer> hi Stskeeps
May 16 19:04:31 <Macer> i need to sleep :) long day today
May 16 21:00:55 <Yagami_ex> hello people...
May 16 21:01:52 <Yagami_ex> there a way (maybe a easy way)to port desktop programs like GIMP(only a example) to the maemo?
May 16 21:04:11 <Stskeeps> you can always look into easy debian
May 16 21:06:13 <Yagami_ex> sorry but i am a windows user so i am noob on linux, what is the easy debian?
May 16 21:06:39 <Stskeeps> sec :)
May 16 21:06:56 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian
May 16 21:10:00 <Yagami_ex> But the Easy Debian will overwrite the Maemo?Or the easy debian accept Maemo Programs?
May 16 21:12:01 <Stskeeps> Yagami_ex: it won't overwrite maemo
May 16 21:12:03 <Stskeeps> it is within maemo
May 16 21:12:41 <Yagami_ex> so i can download the maemo programs on repositories and use with easy debian
May 16 21:13:48 <johnx> easy debian runs inside of maemo
May 16 21:14:10 <Yagami_ex> and have anyway
May 16 21:14:31 <Yagami_ex> to i port the desktop programs to the easy debian?
May 16 21:15:02 <johnx> anything that runs in debian can run in easy debian
May 16 21:15:18 <johnx> but it might be slow :)
May 16 21:15:21 <Stskeeps> lo johnx :)
May 16 21:17:18 <Yagami_ex> thats great, but how i install the debian programs and the screen will be right?
May 16 21:24:35 <saruji> Hi i have a question, ive installed openssh client and server on the 810 abut how do i use the client? ....Is it just from command line? Or can do i need another program for it....what im saying is that im used to putty and i dont see a gui for openssh.....help?
May 16 21:25:20 <kfx> saruji: go to utilities -> x terminal
May 16 21:25:26 <kfx> then you can use ssh from the command line
May 16 21:25:43 <saruji> Ok cool thx, is there no gui for it?
May 16 21:25:50 <kfx> not really
May 16 21:26:05 <saruji> Ok cool thanks
May 16 21:26:11 <kfx> just type ssh hostname to get where you're going
May 16 21:26:42 <saruji> Ok so ssh 192.x.x.x for a local machine right?
May 16 21:26:46 <kfx> yep
May 16 21:26:56 <kfx> don't forget to specify your username, too
May 16 21:26:57 <saruji> Cool thx
May 16 21:27:08 <kfx> so for example ssh saruji@192.168.1.50
May 16 21:27:12 <saruji> Oh ok so ssh hostname then user pass
May 16 21:27:29 <kfx> no, you have to specify the username with the address
May 16 21:27:51 <kfx> it'll prompt you for a password, but unless you tell it otherwise it'll assume your current username (which by default on the n810 is 'user')
May 16 21:27:53 <saruji> Ah ok
May 16 21:28:13 <saruji> Do i have to be in root?
May 16 21:28:24 <kfx> no
May 16 21:28:33 <saruji> Cool
May 16 21:29:07 <saruji> Thx :)
May 16 21:29:10 <kfx> no worries
May 16 23:20:13 <luke-jr> b-man: !
May 16 23:20:23 <b-man> hello
May 16 23:21:11 * b-man is trying to translate some python code into c ;)
May 16 23:23:29 <luke-jr> b-man: food game in #anime
May 16 23:23:43 <b-man> ok :)
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