**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 22 02:59:57 2009
May 22 03:00:54 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, no.
May 22 03:01:04 <GeneralAntilles> Bobbe, invisible shield isn't as good
May 22 03:01:11 <GeneralAntilles> well, it's different anyway.
May 22 03:01:19 <GeneralAntilles> I like a protector I can move from unit to unit as needed.
May 22 03:01:58 <Bobbe> Was it 100% re-usable? Did it come off and back in easily?
May 22 03:02:13 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
May 22 03:03:21 <Bobbe> well worth the buy then. Off with IS
May 22 03:04:09 <Bobbe> GeneralAntilles, you wouldn't happen to have a case to recommend it, would you? Not one of those silicon ones, more like a pouch where I could put cables and mmcs and stuff
May 22 03:05:46 <Bobbe> <lyndak>: I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
May 22 03:05:48 <Bobbe> lol
May 22 03:33:41 <Macer> heh
May 22 04:07:14 <LiraNuna> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/44a0c0f5354afaab
May 22 04:07:16 <LiraNuna> oh wow
May 22 04:07:23 <LiraNuna> PVR SGX GPL drivers
May 22 04:07:40 <LiraNuna> what's stopping them from giving the MBX drivers then?
May 22 04:12:40 <GAN800> Different chips, different agreements.
May 22 04:12:49 <LiraNuna> I know, it's just sad :<
May 22 05:02:11 <thux> morning
May 22 05:07:30 <Bobbe> morning
May 22 05:08:24 <RST38h> 1
May 22 05:14:46 <thux> usually mini laptops have atom, but hp got that via model, is it as good/bad as atom ones?
May 22 05:20:02 <tank-man> most likely worst
May 22 05:21:05 <thux> ok then i pass just would be cheap now
May 22 05:21:06 <RST38h> [state-of-factly] Get a laptop with a real CPU
May 22 05:21:18 <luke-jr> yeah, none of that x86 crap
May 22 05:22:27 <RST38h> luke-jr: What CPU is in the computer you are currently using?
May 22 05:22:51 <luke-jr> ARM?
May 22 05:23:12 <RST38h> What computer are you using?
May 22 05:23:24 <luke-jr> N810?
May 22 05:23:49 <thux> i got sempron and turion laptops, but my mini is asus 701 and would need better
May 22 05:23:51 <RST38h> Can your N810 play a movie in DVD quality? Or play a semi-advanced game?
May 22 05:24:07 <luke-jr> RST38h: if TI wasn't jerks? :p
May 22 05:24:23 <RST38h> luke-jr: You really think it has anything to do with TI?
May 22 05:24:26 <luke-jr> yes
May 22 05:24:58 <luke-jr> I do know that Samsung competitor SoC has hardware acceleration for h.264 decoding
May 22 05:25:13 <luke-jr> I'd be surprised if TI's OMAP didn't
May 22 05:25:36 <RST38h> Ok, so you have got h.264 acceleration
May 22 05:25:45 <RST38h> How about a game of WoW?
May 22 05:25:58 <luke-jr> WoW is a Win16 virtualization layer for WinNT ☺
May 22 05:26:11 <luke-jr> WoW32 is the same, but for Win32 on Win64
May 22 05:26:11 <RST38h> It is mostly a generic computation task, mind you
May 22 05:26:54 <luke-jr> kinda like WINE
May 22 05:26:56 <RST38h> Ah, do not fake ignorance
May 22 05:27:00 <luke-jr> but WoW-- Windows on Windows
May 22 05:27:26 <Macer> hey! wine is not an emulator!
May 22 05:27:38 <luke-jr> I care not for stupid proprietary games that idiotly overlap existing acronyms
May 22 05:27:43 <thux> is any mini lap better than others or all same?
May 22 05:28:00 <luke-jr> thux: handheld, or netbook?
May 22 05:28:14 <luke-jr> Macer: nobody said it was
May 22 05:28:27 <thux> netbook
May 22 05:28:47 <tank-man> define better
May 22 05:29:05 <Macer> haha
May 22 05:29:09 <Macer> i was just messing around
May 22 05:29:35 <Macer> although i personally consider calling something an intepreter just a different word for emulator
May 22 05:29:49 <luke-jr> Macer: WINE isn't an interpreter either
May 22 05:29:49 <thux> better hmm like is asus or acer netbooks same or one better than other
May 22 05:30:03 <luke-jr> thux: define better
May 22 05:30:11 <Macer> it's not?
May 22 05:30:13 <Macer> wtf?
May 22 05:30:14 <luke-jr> thux: do you mean faster? more reliable?
May 22 05:30:18 <luke-jr> Macer: not at all
May 22 05:30:19 <thux> yes
May 22 05:30:20 <Macer> what is it then?
May 22 05:30:21 <Macer> haha
May 22 05:30:24 <luke-jr> Macer: WINE is just a collection of libraries
May 22 05:30:28 <luke-jr> and a PE loader
May 22 05:30:30 <thux> yes faster
May 22 05:30:57 <thux> fastest netbook
May 22 05:31:24 <jaem_N810> hey folks
May 22 05:31:25 <luke-jr> Macer: with WINE, Windows apps are running the same way they do on Windows
May 22 05:31:39 <jaem_N810> quick question
May 22 05:31:48 <luke-jr> jaem_N810: no, I will not join your cult.
May 22 05:32:00 <jaem_N810> luke-jr: I don't have one
May 22 05:32:03 <luke-jr> :p
May 22 05:32:26 <jaem_N810> but I do have some pamphlets you might be interested in
May 22 05:32:29 <Macer> luke-jr: then why do they run so crappy?
May 22 05:33:01 <jaem_N810> Macer: Wine == dereenigne Windows
May 22 05:33:10 <jaem_N810> therefore bugs
May 22 05:33:10 <luke-jr> Macer: they don't
May 22 05:33:18 <RST38h> thux: http://www.ecomelectronics.com/prodinfo.phtml?id=3060&ref=froogle
May 22 05:33:24 <luke-jr> Macer: many apps run better in WINE than on Windows
May 22 05:33:31 <Macer> uhm
May 22 05:33:36 <Macer> when they run? :)
May 22 05:33:43 <Macer> so what prevents them from running?
May 22 05:33:44 <jaem_N810> Macer: exactly
May 22 05:33:49 <luke-jr> Macer: any standard Win32 app should run fine
May 22 05:34:00 <luke-jr> the problem is mainly with apps that go beyond simple Win32
May 22 05:34:13 <luke-jr> eg, perhaps internal NT native APIs
May 22 05:34:17 <luke-jr> or DirectX
May 22 05:34:18 <Macer> why should it be a problem if it just uses win libs?
May 22 05:34:25 <jaem_N810> I have a wgotten dump of sequentially numbered JPEGs from a webcomic
May 22 05:34:34 <Macer> isn't directx just a collection of libs used to work with apis?
May 22 05:34:38 <luke-jr> Macer: if it just uses Win libs, there is no problem
May 22 05:34:48 <RST38h> Macer: No
May 22 05:34:53 <jaem_N810> the stock Maemo image viewer sorts by standard alphanum, and therefore the comics are out of order
May 22 05:34:56 <luke-jr> Macer: DirectX is a collection of special-purpose libraries
May 22 05:35:31 <tank-man> jaem_N810, easy solution is rename your jpgs
May 22 05:35:34 <jaem_N810> is there anything that will sort them numerically? (e.g. 2 < 10)
May 22 05:35:45 <x29a> shellscript
May 22 05:35:56 <RST38h> Macer: It actually goes pretty deep into the system, the "libraries" are just the interface to the whole iceberg
May 22 05:35:56 <Macer> well. i think wine is around 30% success rate for me
May 22 05:35:56 <jaem_N810> tank-man: there is that, but my other apps do it properly
May 22 05:36:25 <thux> RST38h: thanks,
May 22 05:36:29 <RST38h> Macer: Started as a kind of SDL but as everything with Microsoft did not stay that way
May 22 05:36:40 <jaem_N810> it's bedtime here, and I was looking for a quick fix... I'm not good at shell scripting
May 22 05:37:10 <jaem_N810> it's on my list of "to-learn"'s
May 22 05:37:24 <luke-jr> Macer: back when I used WINE, it was pretty much perfect with any app I cared about
May 22 05:37:59 <luke-jr> which was like, VirtualDub, Sub Station Alpha, and Myst
May 22 05:38:14 <Macer> lol
May 22 05:38:17 <Macer> myst!
May 22 05:38:24 <Macer> going to the way back when
May 22 05:38:32 <luke-jr> Myst made CD-ROMs a success :p
May 22 05:38:38 <luke-jr> everyone loves Myst
May 22 05:38:40 <Macer> speaking of myst. i should try playing a newer one
May 22 05:38:48 <Macer> i haven't played myst in forever
May 22 05:38:50 <luke-jr> Macer: they remade the original
May 22 05:38:57 <luke-jr> smooth 3D instead of snapshots
May 22 05:39:19 <jaem_N810> night, folks
May 22 05:39:22 <Macer> woah really?
May 22 05:39:24 <Macer> what's it called?
May 22 05:39:27 <luke-jr> that remake has a few glitches in WINE tho
May 22 05:39:29 <luke-jr> realMyst
May 22 05:39:38 <Macer> i have a win box
May 22 05:39:40 <luke-jr> of course, being 3D, it's not strictly Win32 ;)
May 22 05:39:49 <Macer> i want to play myst. how old is it?
May 22 05:39:53 <luke-jr> dunno
May 22 05:39:59 <Macer> intel 945 is kind of a crappy gp
May 22 05:40:00 <Macer> gpu
May 22 05:40:00 <luke-jr> the original or remake?
May 22 05:40:06 <Macer> the remake
May 22 05:40:32 <luke-jr> Macer: Nov 2000
May 22 05:40:37 <thux> about gaming, does dosbox run on tablet?
May 22 05:40:44 <luke-jr> realMyst: Interactive 3D Edition was a remake of Myst released in November 2000 for Windows PCs, and in January 2002 for the Macs. Unlike Myst and the Masterpiece Edition, realMyst featured free-roaming, real-time 3D graphics instead of pre-rendered stills.
May 22 05:40:55 <luke-jr> thux: no, dosbox isn't an emulator either
May 22 05:41:03 <thux> ok
May 22 05:41:06 <luke-jr> I think
May 22 05:42:05 <thux> i personally would need dosemu on tablet, cause got one useful dos program which i use
May 22 05:42:25 <luke-jr> Macer: Myst for PSP was released in 2006
May 22 05:42:30 <RST38h> DBaseIII? =)
May 22 05:42:48 <luke-jr> thux: Commander Keen?
May 22 05:43:07 <thux> no this is like calculator
May 22 05:43:25 <luke-jr> Macer: Myst for iPhone was literally JUST released :P
May 22 06:18:43 <LiraNuna> http://talk.maemo.org/ is down?
May 22 06:18:50 <LiraNuna> nvm it got back
May 22 06:35:34 <Bobbe> Guys, my battery status icon keeps selecting itself all the time. It interrupts other programs, probably drains my battery little by little, and is fairly annoying in general. Is anybody having the same bug as I do?
May 22 06:36:17 <Myrtti> my bf has that
May 22 06:36:48 <x29a> the default powerapp or the "advanced" power applet?
May 22 06:36:53 <Myrtti> default
May 22 06:37:19 <Bobbe> Default toored pill modeVai no gerenciador de aplicativos e manda adicionar um repositrio novo ()
May 22 06:38:06 <Bobbe> sorry
May 22 06:38:14 <Bobbe> my vnc is bugged too =(
May 22 06:38:17 <Bobbe> anyways
May 22 06:38:24 <Bobbe> I didn't install any advanced power monitor apps =)
May 22 06:38:48 <x29a> hmm, works for me, sorry
May 22 06:38:58 <x29a> do you have any settingspage open still in background
May 22 06:38:59 <x29a> ?
May 22 06:39:23 <x29a> or which services are running? is it comming to the foreground because it thinks there is a plug installed (hw issue)?
May 22 06:40:42 <Macer> well. now gibbs quit
May 22 06:40:45 <Macer> wtf ncis!
May 22 06:40:52 <Macer> first you kill kate then make gibbs quit!
May 22 06:40:54 <Macer> fail!
May 22 06:41:28 <Corsac> chhhtt
May 22 06:42:12 <StsN800> shush with the spoilers
May 22 06:42:13 <Bobbe> connecting the charger doesn't select the icon
May 22 06:43:40 <Bobbe> how can I tail the system log to see what happens when the icon auto-selects?
May 22 06:43:55 <Macer> StsN800: are you actually watching it? :)
May 22 06:43:56 <Macer> haha
May 22 06:44:22 <Macer> i figured not too many non-military people watched ncis
May 22 06:44:26 <StsN800> Macer, not actively since i dont have a tv anymore
May 22 06:44:33 <StsN800> its on tv here
May 22 06:44:50 <Macer> you don't have a computer?
May 22 06:45:40 <StsN800> i do, and i have a media center, but ncis isnt one of the series i actively get
May 22 06:47:47 <Macer> ah . i see
May 22 07:02:12 <Myrtti> I wish that telepathy would give a bit better error information >__<
May 22 07:03:55 <StsN800> "What Happen?!" type of errors?
May 22 07:04:48 <Myrtti> StsN800: "Network Error" isn't exactly informative
May 22 07:04:58 <StsN800> hehe
May 22 07:04:59 <Myrtti> leaves me in the state of "D'oh"
May 22 07:18:27 <Macer> hm. that was somewhat odd
May 22 07:18:40 <Macer> this 1GHz artigo works well as a shell server
May 22 07:18:45 <Macer> amongst a few other things
May 22 07:19:31 <Macer> maybe a web server but it might be a tad bit too slow for anything serious
May 22 07:47:40 <t_s_o> ok, that was scary. was doing some updates and the dpad led blinked, then the tablet rebooted, and next to the nokia logo it came a message about recovering a software update...
May 22 07:50:36 <Stskeeps> yeah, those moments are kinda like the moments where you notice your baby is sitting in the window :P
May 22 07:51:05 <x29a_> or even worse, michael jackson is holding it out of the window
May 22 07:51:16 <Stskeeps> yeah :P
May 22 07:58:44 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 22 08:01:35 <Stskeeps> morning jafffa
May 22 08:01:36 <Stskeeps> -f
May 22 08:05:58 <Stskeeps> morn timeless_mbp
May 22 08:06:08 <timeless_mbp> technically
May 22 08:28:01 <RST38h> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2583  <-- a rare look into modest internals =)
May 22 08:43:58 <Stskeeps> heh, that's a funny bug
May 22 09:08:31 <RST38h> Sts: From the way those comments sound, it is quite possible that Modest will not show counts of new messages for each account at the top UI screen
May 22 09:08:41 <RST38h> Unless Quim talks sense into these guys of course
May 22 09:12:38 <StsN800> thats lousy really
May 22 09:13:11 <StsN800> i would continue using claws then
May 22 09:17:00 <aquatix> as long as Modest doesn't mark read email as read on the imap server, i can't use it
May 22 09:17:12 <aquatix> it seems it only does so when stopping the session
May 22 09:17:17 <aquatix> and that's... never
May 22 09:17:25 <aquatix> as it backgrounds
May 22 09:22:16 <RST38h> Perfect
May 22 09:23:27 <suihkulokki> aquatix: bugnumber?
May 22 09:23:54 <RST38h> suihkulokki: It is irrelevant as none of Modest bugs will be fixed.
May 22 09:24:19 <aquatix> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987
May 22 09:30:09 <lardman> morning
May 22 09:30:23 <suihkulokki> aquatix: you manage the dovecot server?
May 22 09:30:27 <RST38h> moo lardman
May 22 09:30:34 <aquatix> suihkulokki: yep, it's on my VPS
May 22 09:31:43 <suihkulokki> aquatix: you might want to try dovecot with the rawlog plugin to see what exact imap commands get sent and when: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Debugging/Rawlog
May 22 09:33:26 <lardman> nice page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle
May 22 09:33:29 <suihkulokki> aquatix: I also think you mixed dovecot and exim4 version numbers in your bug comment :)
May 22 09:33:41 <aquatix> might be, it's been a while
May 22 09:34:01 <aquatix> suihkulokki: what i understand is that modest optimises network traffic
May 22 09:34:23 <aquatix> it queues imap commands till it thinks it's done, like at the end of a session
May 22 09:34:35 <aquatix> except that only happens when you stop its service
May 22 09:34:43 <aquatix> or break the connection, but then it's too late
May 22 09:36:18 <roope> That's weird. I thought I've seen the email message numbers on the default screen.
May 22 09:36:26 <suihkulokki> aquatix: that's a conclusion built on anecdoctal evidence
May 22 09:36:45 <aquatix> true
May 22 09:37:11 <suihkulokki> having systematic evidence (such as logs) is better =)
May 22 09:37:35 <aquatix> well, i remember checking traffic/logs then
May 22 09:37:49 * aquatix will true that rawlog
May 22 09:37:51 <aquatix> *try
May 22 09:40:56 <RST38h> roope: maybe I misunderstood the comments in that bug
May 22 09:42:30 <roope> Then again, I've tried only one account at a time.
May 22 09:42:42 <roope> But hmm.
May 22 09:43:08 <roope> Anyways, it's a lot nicer than anything previously. :)
May 22 09:43:28 <RST38h> roope: only matters if it is nice enough
May 22 09:43:39 <RST38h> the Diablo version is not usable by any means
May 22 09:49:57 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: which app?
May 22 09:50:03 <roope> I think it's pretty usable now.
May 22 09:52:30 <RST38h> roope: Oh I tried many times, it is not
May 22 09:52:44 <roope> Hmm, that's weird.
May 22 09:52:48 <RST38h> roope: I can go over the list of concrete problems but it is purely academical now
May 22 09:52:50 <aquatix> hm, doesn't modest have a `refresh' folders option?
May 22 09:53:09 <RST38h> aquatix: It does but it does not work if background process failed to connect some time in the past
May 22 09:53:37 <RST38h> Furthermore, for my POP3 account it does not seem to work at all now
May 22 09:53:43 <roope> ok, I'll say this way: I've been using it now for the past weeks and ... I haven't encountered any showstoppers.
May 22 09:53:50 <roope> but your mileage may vary. :)
May 22 09:54:26 <RST38h> roope: You may be using it in a very much controlled environment, perfect connection, IMAP server, verison of IMAP server is the same as the one they tested it with, etc
May 22 09:54:36 <aquatix> ah, restarting the client refreshes the folders
May 22 09:54:42 <roope> Perhaps. I'm using gmail imap.
May 22 09:54:49 <RST38h> roope: Believe me that in the wild it just never works
May 22 09:54:58 <RST38h> Yea, GMail access is semidecent now
May 22 09:55:38 <RST38h> Unless you have intermittent WiFi (then it seems to hang until restart) or try to open virtual "folders" with hundreds of items
May 22 09:55:50 <lcuk> RST38h, thats always the way, but full on testing and usage as primary system has to account for some confidence
May 22 09:57:36 <lcuk> roope, why arent you using it with nokia ovi servers anyway - i wouldv thought gmail was a swear word :p
May 22 09:57:51 <roope> No, it's not a swear word. :)
May 22 09:58:32 <roope> my email is on gmail, so it's pretty natural of course.
May 22 09:58:41 <lcuk> the harmattan ovi cal looks really cool btw :)
May 22 09:59:21 * RST38h does not see what the purpose of so many "social" apps is though
May 22 09:59:33 <RST38h> Or maybe I just don't have any friends :)
May 22 09:59:46 <lcuk> heh rst
May 22 10:00:19 <RST38h> The whole thing does start looking more and more like comlogs from Hyperion though
May 22 10:01:01 <RST38h> Maybe Nokia should just license the name and adapt it for their devices, given how awkward "multimedia computer" sounds
May 22 10:02:46 <lcuk> RST38h, you could add infobot and povbot! :D
May 22 10:02:51 <lcuk> that way you could have updates
May 22 10:02:57 <Myrtti> I wouldn't do a day without delicious.com
May 22 10:03:06 <lcuk> hiya Myrtti \o
May 22 10:03:49 <RST38h> lcuk: that reminds me of a joke where a passerby sees little girl in the sandbox, tearing head off a teddy bear
May 22 10:03:56 <Myrtti> lcuk: ohai
May 22 10:04:09 <RST38h> lcuk: So the guy asks "Why are you doing this? Do you hate teddy bears?"
May 22 10:04:45 <RST38h> lcuk: And the girl answers "Well, I am not that fond of humans either..."
May 22 10:05:12 <lcuk> *groan*
May 22 10:05:46 <x29a> haha
May 22 10:06:04 <x29a> i suspected a punchline referring to the sandbox
May 22 10:07:30 <lcuk> heh x29a me too
May 22 10:07:43 <lcuk> Myrtti, which country are you in today then?
May 22 10:08:14 <Myrtti> lcuk: Finland
May 22 10:08:25 <Myrtti> lcuk: bought flights to uk though already
May 22 10:08:41 * RST38h checks out delicious.com, does not find anything useful... well, mostly
May 22 10:08:44 <aquatix> RST38h: ooh, comlogs
May 22 10:09:05 <lcuk> excellent is this for another short holiday or for longer this time
May 22 10:09:13 <Myrtti> lcuk: month or so
May 22 10:09:21 <Myrtti> and no holidays :-P
May 22 10:10:50 <BogdanR> Hello
May 22 10:11:15 <BogdanR> What file(s) should I remove from OS2008 to make the initial wizzard appear?
May 22 10:12:50 <t_s_o> try control panel -> menu -> tools -> clear device or restore original settings...
May 22 10:14:13 <BogdanR> I am interested in doing it from the CLI
May 22 10:14:26 <t_s_o> no clue there, why from the cli btw?
May 22 10:14:43 <BogdanR> I want to rebuild the image
May 22 10:16:09 <t_s_o> on that modest thing earlier, from what i can tell, modest is not really supposed to background itself, but one can get the same effect by having a connection get triggered that somehow never times out...
May 22 10:16:37 <t_s_o> basically, modest is sitting there, trying to connect to the mail server, but never giving up for some odd reason...
May 22 10:17:23 <t_s_o> also, one can get the impression that it backgrounds itself by it having a bug ignoring the "do not check mail at a interval" setting...
May 22 10:19:02 <aquatix> hm, Ovi looks rather nice
May 22 10:22:51 <sanjay6976> hi
May 22 10:24:26 <aquatix> so harmattan is fremantle+1? it will likely be an upgrade for rx51?
May 22 10:25:18 <lardman> I imagine sp
May 22 10:25:19 <lardman> so
May 22 10:25:32 <aquatix> as there's a lot of talking on harmattan now
May 22 10:25:42 <aquatix> with its widgets, ovi stuff and such
May 22 10:29:22 <lcuk> Myrtti, all work and no play isnt good
May 22 10:29:29 <lcuk> whats after harmattan?
May 22 10:29:51 <Myrtti> lcuk: Quim was asking for names in Jaiku months ago
May 22 10:30:04 <Myrtti> I still think Ilmatar would be nice
May 22 10:30:05 <lcuk> i mean content lol
May 22 10:30:10 <lcuk> dont we have an app list already
May 22 10:30:32 <Myrtti> lcuk: pink unicorns, muffins and cotton candy
May 22 10:31:55 <lcuk> ffs at least we will still have a stylus
May 22 10:32:08 <lcuk> otherwise unicorns would just be horses
May 22 10:33:04 <aquatix> ghehe
May 22 10:34:42 * lcuk needs more cpu power
May 22 10:34:42 <lcuk> and more memory
May 22 10:34:50 <lcuk> and more test data
May 22 10:34:52 <aquatix> compiling stuff?
May 22 10:35:32 <lcuk> nahhh i did something last night and it works a treat,  i am just on the ragged edge of whats practical on device
May 22 10:35:51 <aquatix> ah right :)
May 22 10:36:23 <lcuk> it works really nicely but if i put all the bits in i want it gets a bit of lag - especially when loading the first subset
May 22 10:37:03 <lcuk> hmmmm thats changable just by the way i do ...
May 22 10:37:05 <lcuk> ahhhhh :D
May 22 10:38:02 <amr> my n810 just arrived, with a lock code
May 22 10:38:10 <amr> its not the standard '12345' and i dont have the cable to flash it
May 22 10:38:13 <amr> advice? :s
May 22 10:38:38 <Myrtti> "return to seller"
May 22 10:39:07 <amr> the seller sent me an email saying "forgot the cable, ill forward it later today"
May 22 10:39:13 <amr> just awaiting his reply regarding the lock code
May 22 10:39:21 <StsN800> try 0000?
May 22 10:39:24 <amr> done
May 22 10:39:35 <amr> and 1234, 12345
May 22 10:39:38 <amr> 5555, 55555
May 22 10:39:43 <StsN800> k
May 22 10:39:47 <amr> oh wait
May 22 10:39:49 <amr> it was 55555
May 22 10:39:50 <amr> hahaha
May 22 10:39:56 <aquatix> nice :)
May 22 10:39:58 <amr> whoopsie
May 22 10:40:02 <amr> well, i better run
May 22 10:40:05 <amr> cheers :)
May 22 10:40:21 <StsN800> i would verify if it was stolen though
May 22 10:40:43 <amr> indeed
May 22 10:45:41 <RST38h> heh
May 22 10:49:28 <aquatix> hm, if i close modest, it suddenly marks the mail read
May 22 10:49:32 <aquatix> so it queues
May 22 10:51:28 <RST38h> it should mark mail read when you open it for reading
May 22 10:51:45 <RST38h> whose idea was it to queue this stuff?
May 22 10:52:21 <RST38h> (and is there a gconf key to disable this "helpful" feature? =))
May 22 11:04:14 <aquatix> RST38h: yeah exactly
May 22 11:04:23 <aquatix> i think it's a feature in the library it uses
May 22 11:04:31 <aquatix> to optimise the amount of traffic used
May 22 11:04:34 <aquatix> but still...
May 22 11:12:27 <RST38h> camel?
May 22 11:12:54 * RST38h loudly wonders if anyone will fix this stuff
May 22 11:37:06 <lcuk> is there anything built directly into maemo to upload a file to ftp
May 22 11:40:13 <t_s_o> not that comes to mind
May 22 11:40:26 <t_s_o> tho there are ftp clients to be found...
May 22 11:40:42 <BogdanR> I asked earlier what you have to do to see the startup wizzard
May 22 11:40:49 <BogdanR> I found that out
May 22 11:41:16 <BogdanR> You have to create to files one in tmp and another one in /home/user
May 22 11:41:22 <lcuk> t_s_o, i have a file i want to upload back home and the only pathway i have is via ftp
May 22 11:41:39 <lcuk> BogdanR, i wouldnt go through all that, id just reflash
May 22 11:41:52 <lcuk> problem  solved
May 22 11:42:08 <BogdanR> it's a 30 seconds operation and maybe sometimes it comes in handy
May 22 11:42:17 <lcuk> either that, or if i were mega rich, id just buy a new device every time i wanted to see startup screen
May 22 11:42:53 <lcuk> i cant even remember what it looks like heh
May 22 11:43:22 <BogdanR> I am testing Mer now and I can't figure out how to close the calendar once it is opened
May 22 11:44:13 <lcuk> mer isnt maemo, and the first boot wizard does other things - like creating a user account..
May 22 11:44:44 <BogdanR> Totally different
May 22 11:44:57 <BogdanR> Maemo was 30 minutes ago and now I am testing Mer :)
May 22 11:48:55 <BogdanR> How can I install applications to Mer?
May 22 11:50:38 <Jaffa> BogdanR: apt-get for random Ubuntu stuff, or the Application Manager as on Maemo
May 22 11:51:40 <BogdanR> Yes, but in the application manager the catalogues are empty
May 22 11:51:50 <BogdanR> Can I use catalogues from Maemo?
May 22 11:52:41 <Jaffa> BogdanR: There's a Mer repo which should contain some stuff, I believe. And you can try Maemo Extras - some things may not work straight off though
May 22 11:53:26 <BogdanR> The Mer repo that is installed in the Application manager seems to be empty
May 22 12:01:33 <BogdanR> I added the link to the extras repository in the application manager and nothing shows up
May 22 12:26:14 <lcuk> lardman, any further with pvr
May 22 12:26:39 <lcuk> and is it possible to break it into the function sized blocks  and let distributed conversion occur
May 22 12:27:00 <lcuk> so whether its you alone  or  if people want to join in and help they can
May 22 12:36:51 <t_s_o> hrmf, how come finefm never wants to install on mer-VM?
May 22 12:39:51 <t_s_o> and on that note, i cant get the fremantle style dialog windows to behave. no amount of clicking outside their area makes them close. only hitting esc on the keyboard seems to do the trick...
May 22 12:41:16 <aquatix> anyone know whether fremantle can sync with ovi?
May 22 12:41:53 <Corsac> (what's ovi?)
May 22 12:42:05 <Corsac> (it'd be nice if fremantle had real sync and pda capabilities :/)
May 22 13:02:49 <RST38h> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/22/sperm_whale_blaggers_cctv/
May 22 13:11:23 <fiferboy> lbt: Are infinite loops that delay the start up of all Qt programs indefinitely desirable?
May 22 13:37:30 <andrewfblack> hell
May 22 13:37:32 <andrewfblack> o
May 22 13:44:34 <murrayc> t_s_o: You should really put a small-as-possible test case in bugzilla then.
May 22 13:44:52 <t_s_o> huh?
May 22 13:45:41 <murrayc> t_s_o: About the dialogs not closing.
May 22 13:46:50 <rkirti> May I know what replaces libgpsbt and libgpsmgr in the latest maemo versions ?
May 22 13:46:57 <t_s_o> how about this, open up app manager, open up catalogs dialog, try to click outside it, nothing happens...
May 22 13:47:06 <GAN800> liblocation?
May 22 13:48:27 <danielwilms> t_s_o: have a look here http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/liblocation/
May 22 13:48:54 <t_s_o> danielwilms: wrong person ;)
May 22 13:49:29 <danielwilms> haha ups...damn copy and paste :D
May 22 13:49:46 <danielwilms> rkirti: have a look here http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/liblocation/
May 22 13:49:51 <danielwilms> ahhh :)
May 22 13:51:04 <rkirti> danielwilms, GAN800 : thanks. I couldnt find the source/bin. blob in the diablo repo, maybe I should be looking somewhere else
May 22 13:51:37 <GAN800> rkirti, Diablo arguably isn't 'latest'
May 22 13:51:38 <lopz> hola
May 22 13:52:02 <GAN800> Whether you're after Diablo or Fremantle is important.
May 22 13:52:23 <VDVsx> and liblocation is not OSS atm
May 22 13:52:32 <rkirti> GAN800:  fair point. my fault there. I am building stuff for diablo (to get started with)
May 22 13:53:44 <danielwilms> yep...liblocation is a closed component
May 22 13:56:44 <amr> hello :)
May 22 14:02:44 <rkirti> ok. this sounds really silly, but 'it' (== the binary and/or devel headers of liblocation which a full build of diablo should contain) doesnt seem to be in the main diablo or extras-devel repo...
May 22 14:04:35 <amr> n810 is cool.
May 22 14:05:38 <rkirti> oops. somebody has asked the same question before. Its not in the repo.(wonder why devel-headers cant be in the repo)
May 22 14:05:47 <danielwilms> rkirti sorry, I've overread that you are developing in diablo...liblocation api is new in  fremantle
May 22 14:06:12 <rkirti> danielwilms: I see. thanks for that info.
May 22 14:06:56 <danielwilms> rkirti no problem...and now I will go into the weekend :) bye bye
May 22 14:11:33 <amr> is it just me that has problems accessing the maemo site on a tablet?
May 22 14:11:39 <amr> i did on my 770 and now i am on my n810
May 22 14:11:53 <amr> totally different connections & places
May 22 14:17:38 <GAN800> amr, 'problems'?
May 22 14:17:48 <amr> well, it doesn't load
May 22 14:19:24 <GAN800> It doesn't connect? It shows a blank screen? It throws an error?
May 22 14:20:11 <amr> one sec and ill try again
May 22 14:20:14 <amr> im fairly sure it just doesnt connect
May 22 15:21:39 <andrewfblack> sure is quiet today
May 22 15:21:42 <amr> idd
May 22 15:21:48 <amr> im playing with my new n810 :)
May 22 15:22:37 <andrewfblack> exciting when you first get it isn't it :)
May 22 15:22:42 <amr> yeah, very
May 22 15:22:52 <amr> infinitely better than my broken 770
May 22 15:23:08 <andrewfblack> lol yeah thats am upgrade alright
May 22 15:23:41 <amr> well that was weird
May 22 15:23:44 <amr> my macbook just logged itself out
May 22 15:37:59 <coldboot> How can you partition the /dev/mmcblk0p1 device on a nokia n810 device?
May 22 15:38:15 <coldboot> With cfdisk I get "fatal error; Bad primary partition 0: partition begins after end-of-disk"
May 22 15:39:18 <n6pfk> Hi, I get know audio alerts using chat.  Is there a fix?
May 22 15:41:55 <amr> hmm, i hope this is my wireless being funky in my room
May 22 15:42:03 <amr> i cant seem to connect to anything besides standard http requests
May 22 15:42:07 <amr> on port 80
May 22 15:44:28 <jeremiah> n6pfk: Did you change your settings on your device? You can turn off and on different types of notification.
May 22 15:44:42 <jeremiah> amr: Hard to diagnose from here. :P
May 22 15:45:46 <amr> indeed
May 22 15:45:53 <amr> i'll use the property uni wireless later
May 22 15:45:58 <amr> see if it's the same problem
May 22 15:47:27 <jeremiah> It sounds to me as if someone is blocking ports
May 22 15:47:42 <jeremiah> But if you can get a shell you can do some telneting.
May 22 15:48:16 <amr> well what im doing is sharing the wired internet in my room
May 22 15:48:20 <amr> through my laptops wireless
May 22 15:48:27 <amr> and its being flakey
May 22 15:51:12 <jeremiah> amr: Ah.
May 22 15:56:14 <n6pfk> Yes I set the alerts in settings.
May 22 16:02:07 <amr> hmmm
May 22 16:02:18 <amr> tring to install rootsh
May 22 16:02:28 <amr> stuck @ 50% on preaparing
May 22 16:02:33 <amr> wont advance
May 22 16:03:10 <amr> :/
May 22 16:03:56 <amr> oh, after 5 minutes it progresses :p
May 22 16:04:04 <amr> i wonder what took so long
May 22 16:08:15 <nomis> amr: one possible explantation might be, that it generated the host key and that the entropy pool was exhausted.
May 22 16:13:08 <coldboot> I've got scratchbox 2, and in the armel target it's not using the optimized compiler, it's using /usr/bin/gcc which is really slow.
May 22 16:13:14 <coldboot> How would I fix that?
May 22 16:14:47 <jeremiah> coldboot: Hmm, good question. I don't know the answer off the top of my head. Did you change your target in scratchbox?
May 22 16:15:00 <coldboot> jeremiah: Yeah I'm in the armel target for sure.
May 22 16:15:09 <coldboot> This is scratchbox2 remember, it's very different from 1.
May 22 16:15:14 <jeremiah> coldboot: Which OS, diablo or fremantle
May 22 16:15:38 <coldboot> jeremiah: Diablo
May 22 16:15:47 <jeremiah> Yeah, I am just going to confuse your more since I don't know the answer.
May 22 16:16:02 <jeremiah> But I remember reading somewhere that the optimized compiler should be the default
May 22 16:16:25 <coldboot> Well yeah. ;)
May 22 16:30:34 <jasonlife> I'm wondering what people normally do with N810..  After a few months of purchasing nokia, i'm not kind of really into it anymore.. :P
May 22 16:30:52 <jasonlife> What do you do with your nokia guys?
May 22 16:32:41 <Proteous> I use mine for a gps in the car
May 22 16:32:42 <coldboot> jasonlife: To be honest, I think it really sucks.
May 22 16:33:13 <Proteous> I listen to a ton of podcasts on it in bed
May 22 16:33:33 <coldboot> It's big, clunky, heavy, has crappy disk capacity, the interface doesn't really have any advantages over Blackberry or iPhone, it doesn't have a cell radio...
May 22 16:33:39 <Proteous> I'm ircing on it right now since my computer is off
May 22 16:33:49 <coldboot> The keyboard is one of the worst I've ever seen on a mobile device, even worse than the fake iPhone keyboard.
May 22 16:34:03 <coldboot> Not many people develop for the thing.
May 22 16:34:20 <Proteous> I'm pretty quick on the keypad
May 22 16:34:31 <Razumihin> It's not that bad really
May 22 16:34:35 <Proteous> faster then on an iphone anyway
May 22 16:34:54 <Razumihin> And I use n810 for small journal notebook replacement.
May 22 16:35:00 <Proteous> but I @9$?5 92$ !$ 80/9$3
May 22 16:35:02 <Razumihin> (and also read ebooks)
May 22 16:35:07 <Proteous> #(heh
May 22 16:35:43 <Proteous> sometimes I press the func key twice and get gibberish
May 22 16:35:52 <Proteous> it's exciting
May 22 16:36:14 <Razumihin> Yeah. That happens.
May 22 16:36:42 <Proteous> my soon to be ariving n97 will replace my n810 as an in pocket device
May 22 16:36:44 <Razumihin> My biggest complaints for n810 is still the keyboard and cpu speed.
May 22 16:36:57 <jasonlife> hmm.  can't find really good killer apps on it..
May 22 16:37:04 <Razumihin> Everything i've used have too small screen.
May 22 16:37:12 <Proteous> ssh is my killer app
May 22 16:37:13 <Razumihin> vim/emacs :)
May 22 16:37:27 <Proteous> that and tversity upnp streaming
May 22 16:37:28 <jasonlife> what do you do with vim? I wonder
May 22 16:37:28 <Razumihin> also firefox with vimperator ;)
May 22 16:38:08 <Razumihin> Pretty much everything. Editing small parts of text usually.
May 22 16:38:09 <GAN800> jasonlife, GPS, ebooks, podcasts, movies, remote TV streaming, web browsing, email, mobile games, mobile IRC.
May 22 16:38:41 <GAN800> coldboot, you, apparently, haven't used many Blackberries or iPhones.
May 22 16:38:46 <Proteous> I wish the n810 had a better dpad for games
May 22 16:38:47 <Razumihin> n810 is more eeepc replacement than smartphone replacement for me.
May 22 16:39:03 <Proteous> sine it's not a phone...
May 22 16:39:07 <Proteous> since
May 22 16:39:09 <jasonlife> Is firefox working on n810?
May 22 16:39:16 <Razumihin> With debian yes.
May 22 16:39:22 <GAN800> jasonlife, default browser is Gecko.
May 22 16:39:28 <Razumihin> Somewhat slow, but enough for me ;)
May 22 16:39:29 <dev-zero> hi everyone
May 22 16:39:33 <jasonlife> yes,, I'm using Gecko now..
May 22 16:39:36 <coldboot> GAN800: The blackberry keyboard is the best.
May 22 16:39:49 <Razumihin> There's no better than Nokia 9500
May 22 16:39:50 <coldboot> GAN800: I've had a blackberry for 2 years, and I've got an iPod touch.
May 22 16:39:58 <GAN800> coldboot, UI-wise.
May 22 16:39:58 <Razumihin> (i'm still ysing)
May 22 16:40:08 <GAN800> iPod can't multitask.
May 22 16:40:10 <dev-zero> does somebody know whether it's possible to have a PAN connection with the N770 over bluetooth (doesn't matter what firmware, just one)?
May 22 16:40:19 <coldboot> GAN800: Yeah that does suck, I really hate that about the iPhone.
May 22 16:40:34 <coldboot> GAN800: I can get so much done so quickly with the blackberry, though, as long as it's not media related.
May 22 16:40:45 <Proteous> I've done DUN on my 770
May 22 16:41:20 <Razumihin> But nowadays maemo is still more nerdish gadget. It hasn't got flashy menus like iPod touch, but for cs guy like me it's lot better.
May 22 16:41:21 <Proteous> but my phone doesn't do pan
May 22 16:42:18 <Proteous> I don't do anything on my 770 anymore due to the WSOD
May 22 16:42:39 <coldboot> I think the platform's going to die.
May 22 16:42:53 <Proteous> I think you are going to die
May 22 16:42:59 <jasonlife> kiki
May 22 16:43:00 <Proteous> eventualy...
May 22 16:43:21 <jasonlife> every platform's going to die
May 22 16:43:28 <Razumihin> Maemo?
May 22 16:43:48 <Proteous> maemo.. m a e m maaaaemoooo
May 22 16:43:59 <coldboot> For the pedantic, I meant the nokia Internet tablets are going to die out very soon.
May 22 16:44:08 <Proteous> (sung to the tune of lola)
May 22 16:44:10 <GAN800> Razumihin, seen the Fremantle Modest screencast?
May 22 16:44:16 <coldboot> Or just remain in obscurity for a while.
May 22 16:44:18 <coldboot> As they are now.
May 22 16:44:20 <Razumihin> GAN800: Nope
May 22 16:44:40 <Proteous> I PRREDICT MORE OF THE SAME
May 22 16:44:44 <GAN800> coldboot, considering Nokia is likely to replace S60 with it in their high-end phones I think you're confused.
May 22 16:44:50 <Razumihin> Yes tablets are going to die and they will grow phone capabilities :)
May 22 16:45:06 <Razumihin> GAN800: Oh, it spoke about that.  Yes I read the interview from nokia.
May 22 16:45:06 <yerga> The aliens are coming in this same instant to kill Maemo
May 22 16:45:22 <GAN800> Check it out, there's a link to YouTube from the Ars article on the beta SDK.
May 22 16:45:41 <Razumihin> And yes, maemo is lot better than S60
May 22 16:45:45 <coldboot> GAN800: That does look more promising. But that S60 thing is huge.
May 22 16:45:51 <Razumihin> for users and codes alike.
May 22 16:45:52 <Proteous> nokia stopped making the n810 and took a 90percent profit drop, I think they learned thier leason
May 22 16:46:10 <Razumihin> coldboot: Nobody really WANTS to program anythin to s60
May 22 16:46:14 <Razumihin> it's just pure shit.
May 22 16:46:29 <Razumihin> Maemo on the other hand is quite pleasant to develop
May 22 16:46:29 <Proteous> MMMMmmm pure shitt
May 22 16:47:09 <StsN800> Razumihin, but could be nicer
May 22 16:47:51 <Razumihin> StsN800: Yes, but it's lightyears away from symbians.
May 22 16:47:58 <Razumihin> So I don't complain :)
May 22 16:48:50 <Razumihin> I love that it uses normal arm linux, lot easier to port desktop applications.
May 22 16:49:06 <Razumihin> Hope that they put more processing power to the next model.
May 22 16:49:20 <Jaffa> OMAP3430. Lots more juice
May 22 16:49:26 <amr> <nomis> amr: one possible explantation might be, that it generated the host key and that the entropy pool was exhausted.
May 22 16:49:27 <amr> say what
May 22 16:50:47 <StsN800> sounds correct
May 22 16:50:52 <Razumihin> Yes. Those new omaps look promising
May 22 16:51:16 <Razumihin> I wouldn't like to have those intel atom chis inside it.
May 22 16:57:18 <Mikho> would somebody know how could I run a program inside scratchbox, from terminal, without using run-standalone.sh?
May 22 16:57:38 <Mikho> if my program requires the dbus operates properly
May 22 16:58:19 <Mikho> run-standalone seems to connect my program to some other dbus than the one running inside scratchbox
May 22 17:16:48 <coldboot> How do you install fdisk on the nokia n810 in Diablo?
May 22 17:17:19 <coldboot> It says it needs util-linux, which says it needs sysvinit, which won't be installed.
May 22 17:17:36 <GAN800> sfdisk
May 22 17:19:03 <coldboot> cfdisk seemed to start working now.
May 22 17:44:32 * andrewfblack is bored
May 22 17:45:20 * StsN800 too
May 22 17:45:25 <lcuk> andrewfblack, you seen the moblin overview thingy
May 22 17:46:05 <RST38h> moo all
May 22 17:46:12 <lcuk> hi there rst
May 22 17:48:13 <RST38h> heya lcuk
May 22 17:48:50 <lcuk> you got anything more planned for your ti range
May 22 17:48:59 <lcuk> or have you exhausted that product line
May 22 17:49:22 <RST38h> well, I am planning on getting ti83+se, ti84+, and ti84+se working as soon as I get the firmware (Stskeeps, you promised)
May 22 17:49:38 <andrewfblack> lcuk: yeah I've seen it
May 22 17:49:40 <RST38h> And TiLink emulation for loading software
May 22 17:50:08 <lcuk> cool, in progress or next on the todo
May 22 17:50:31 <RST38h> TiLink I have partially implemented
May 22 17:50:41 <RST38h> Absolutely out of time though, too much other work
May 22 17:50:45 <lcuk> andrewfblack, what do you think
May 22 17:50:53 <lcuk> RST38h, same with everything
May 22 17:51:06 <lcuk> whats on your plate then
May 22 17:51:29 * lcuk has about 10 gazillion things as well
May 22 17:51:53 <RST38h> contract work
May 22 17:54:21 <lcuk> thats a good thing :)
May 22 17:54:41 <oDuda> hello hello hello...
May 22 17:54:59 <RST38h> "Exposure to radio waves causes item to type at high speed any information being transmitted over said radio waves."
May 22 17:55:08 <andrewfblack> Got to figure out what to do at work now that I'm done with Minimalist theme again
May 22 17:55:15 <lcuk> oDuda has been kicked : excessive flood on greeting
May 22 17:55:29 <oDuda> what ?
May 22 17:55:40 <oDuda> its serious ?
May 22 17:55:46 <lcuk> RST38h :D that sounds wicked
May 22 17:55:53 <lcuk> shame oDuda didnt last long
May 22 17:55:58 <RST38h> "Item was approached by group of ten (10) scientists, at which point all keys began typing frantically in an unknown language."
May 22 17:57:22 <oDuda> lcuk hl
May 22 17:58:13 <oDuda> lcuk hl=abreviated form of hello...lol
May 22 18:01:28 <lcuk> lol oDuda
May 22 18:01:33 <fiferboy> lbt: Hi?
May 22 18:01:41 <lcuk> hiya fiferboy \o
May 22 18:01:47 * lcuk isnt lbt tho
May 22 18:02:30 <fiferboy> Okay, it took (a lot) longer than I thought it would, but I have added FingerScrollBars as a property that can be overridden on a widget-by-widget basis, or globally on QApplication
May 22 18:02:46 <lcuk> very nice!
May 22 18:03:11 <lcuk> adding a global feature to anything thats got years of preexisting api expectance is tricky
May 22 18:04:17 <coldboot> For some reason I can't set partitions in fstab to mount "auto". When I try to mount them, it says mounting failed when the "auto" option is present.
May 22 18:04:28 <coldboot> This is on a nokia n810, any ideas why it can't mount auto?
May 22 18:04:50 <StsN800> ext2.3,jbd, etc not loaded
May 22 18:05:57 <coldboot> StsN800: You mean during boot?
May 22 18:06:12 <StsN800> correct
May 22 18:06:16 <oDuda> can i use maemo theme to create (from) theme to mer ?
May 22 18:06:21 <StsN800> no depmod active
May 22 18:06:33 <coldboot> StsN800: But even after I've booted, it won't mount with the auto option present.
May 22 18:06:57 <fiferboy> lbt: Email with source files sent
May 22 18:07:05 <lcuk> oDuda, the theme is linked to the positions of the stuff around the desktop (mantlepiece?) and so not directly
May 22 18:07:11 <lcuk> i think anyway
May 22 18:07:39 <oDuda> lcuk ty - what theme can i use to start from ?
May 22 18:08:19 <lcuk> i dunno, ask in #mer or StsN800 here lol
May 22 18:08:39 <oDuda> oh yeah !
May 22 18:10:04 <oDuda> StsN800 - where can i get a Mer theme to make (change) a new one ?
May 22 18:10:19 <StsN800> http://zenvoid.org/tmp/theme/
May 22 18:10:25 <oDuda> ty boy !
May 22 18:10:27 <lcuk> heh Sts
May 22 18:10:40 <lcuk> you need merbot to just mirror stuff you say
May 22 18:12:30 <coldboot> StsN800: Do you know how to get it to automatically mount partitions on boot?
May 22 18:14:44 <StsN800> coldboot, not using maemo .. add insmod of ext2,3,jbd,mbcache in a init script and mount there
May 22 18:17:10 <coldboot> StsN800: In an rc*.d script, you mean?
May 22 18:17:48 <StsN800> yeah
May 22 18:18:04 <StsN800> i dislike parts of maemo
May 22 18:18:21 <coldboot> What about in /etc/modprobe.d?
May 22 18:18:41 <StsN800> not used afaik
May 22 18:20:10 <coldboot> StsN800: I'm trying to remount /usr on the 2 gig sd card that's stuck in the device, since the stupid thing only comes with a 256mb main drive.
May 22 18:20:25 <coldboot> That's why I'm trying to do this, so I can remount /usr somewhere else.
May 22 18:20:30 <coldboot> Is there a better way to do this?
May 22 18:20:38 <StsN800> compressed. honestly, clone to sd instead
May 22 18:20:50 <StsN800> its well proven solution
May 22 18:20:50 <coldboot> Clone to sd?
May 22 18:21:09 <coldboot> What do you mean?
May 22 18:26:35 <coldboot> StsN800: This: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8631 ?
May 22 18:26:49 * yerga is previewing the first fremantle hot discussion on -developers
May 22 18:31:37 <RST38h> Stskeeps: 84+ BIOS?
May 22 18:31:40 <RST38h> please?
May 22 18:32:29 <StsN800> RST38h, not at home sorry
May 22 18:32:38 <StsN800> 200km away from it
May 22 18:33:20 <RST38h> ah, I have almost forgotten
May 22 18:47:13 <coldboot> This nupgrade script is awful.
May 22 18:48:03 <StsN800> pengunbait console tools might be better
May 22 18:52:02 <coldboot> StsN800: Do you have a current guide for cloning to the SD card?
May 22 18:52:26 <lcuk> coldboot, wiki
May 22 18:54:53 <coldboot> Yeah it doesn't work, nupgrade.sh says it can't find a device with a linux(83) partition on it.
May 22 18:55:03 <coldboot> It's also trying to access /dev/mmcblk1, which doesn't exist on my device.
May 22 18:55:13 <coldboot> The script just makes a bunch of assumptions.
May 22 19:01:19 <coldboot> There's a bug in the nupgrade script.
May 22 19:01:25 <coldboot> Really crappy search and replace employed in there.
May 22 19:02:19 * RST38h is going to hack 5800 into installing the latest firmware
May 22 19:10:12 <VDVsx> @maemo-devel -> "You can use the keyboard to copy and paste. There are shift and arrows keys."
May 22 19:10:16 <VDVsx> d-pad :P
May 22 19:10:17 <VDVsx> lol
May 22 19:16:15 <StsN800> yay dpad
May 22 19:19:14 <Macer> i am watching kung fu the legend continues
May 22 19:19:23 <kfx> condolences
May 22 19:19:26 <Macer> it is like a flashback to the early 90s
May 22 19:19:31 <Macer> :)
May 22 19:19:34 <Macer> no. i love older stuff
May 22 19:20:09 <Macer> older stuff cracks me up. what makes it even worse is that you can tell they just started to use video encoding when it was encoded
May 22 19:20:17 <Macer> it's like super low res and blocky and shit :)
May 22 19:25:20 <RST38h> Ahhhaa! It found an update!
May 22 19:25:26 <coldboot> Have you guys got gdb running successfully on the nokia n810?
May 22 19:26:06 * RST38h prays to the Tentacled One to finish the update successfully
May 22 19:27:01 <mgedmin> I remember a wiki page explaining about gdb...
May 22 19:27:22 <mgedmin> you need to rebuild the stuff without frame pointer optimizations or some such to get reliable backtraces
May 22 19:27:49 <coldboot> How about getting it to simply execute the application? It just sits there for several minutes for me without doing anything.
May 22 19:28:17 <coldboot> Zero pages that match "gdb" on maemo's wiki.
May 22 19:29:25 <coldboot> Okay the Maemo wiki's text search is completely broken.
May 22 19:34:00 <RST38h> Hmm...update succeeded but bluetooth still does not work
May 22 19:34:42 <coldboot> Where is the af-sb-init.sh script?
May 22 19:35:44 <coldboot> Nevermind, it's in scratchbox.
May 22 19:36:03 <coldboot> How do you get gdb running on an n810?
May 22 19:36:09 <coldboot> Have any of you ever done it successfully?
May 22 19:36:40 <mgedmin> there's a tools repo that has gdb
May 22 19:37:15 <mgedmin> I have it installed, I don't recall ever using it
May 22 19:37:33 <mgedmin> the "you need to rebuild stuff with different compiler flags" stops me :)
May 22 19:37:46 <coldboot> I wonder why this all can't be simple.
May 22 19:37:57 <mgedmin> because you have to work to make things simple
May 22 19:38:03 <coldboot> Developing for this thing is a pain in the ass.
May 22 19:38:09 * matan is away: I'm busy
May 22 19:38:32 <mgedmin> Ubuntu *almost* has it: everything they ship is built from sources on their build machines; the build process produces debug symbols in separate .deb packages
May 22 19:38:47 <mgedmin> to debug stuff, you add a repo, apt-get install the necessary -dbgsym packages, and start gdb
May 22 19:39:06 <mgedmin> where this breaks down: you have to manually figure out *which* -dbgsym packages you need (for the app and all the libraries)
May 22 19:39:17 <coldboot> That's not that bad.
May 22 19:39:24 <mgedmin> also they have -updates, -proposed, and -backports repositores that often don't have -dbgsym packages
May 22 19:39:24 <coldboot> There should be a script that does it automatically.
May 22 19:39:27 <mgedmin> not to mention PPAs
May 22 19:39:28 <coldboot> Like apt-get build-dep
May 22 19:39:31 <coldboot> There should be apt-get debug-dep
May 22 19:39:49 <coldboot> But for me, on this stupid nokia device, gdb just sits there when asked to run a program that runs fine without gdb.
May 22 19:40:12 <mgedmin> I wouldn't mind a patch to gdb saying "you're missing debug packages for libfoo, libbar, libbaz.  Do you want to install those? [y/N]"
May 22 19:40:29 <coldboot> mgedmin: User friendlyness is not gdb's philosophy.
May 22 19:40:34 <coldboot> But yeah, that would be great.
May 22 19:40:51 <mgedmin> but it is Ubuntu's philosophy, that's why I said "a patch" :)
May 22 19:41:09 <mgedmin> http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/gdb/ suggests looking at http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node15.html
May 22 19:41:42 <mgedmin> the maemo_launcher stuff also makes debugging harder, which is a cost for optimizing app startup time
May 22 19:41:52 <mgedmin> I'm all for optimizing app startup time
May 22 19:42:15 <StsN800> and mem usage
May 22 19:42:51 <parigaudi> hi
May 22 19:43:41 <parigaudi> how do i install the maemo sdk on a NON-debian based linux distro (e.g. mandriva) ?
May 22 19:44:41 <parigaudi> isn't there some distribution-independent generic installer available?
May 22 19:44:53 <mgedmin> I think there is, but I don't remember
May 22 19:45:08 <StsN800> theres a guide on it afaik
May 22 19:46:58 <parigaudi> what i found looks more like there WAS in some earlier version of the sdk, but this one not:
May 22 19:47:00 <parigaudi> https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3186&group_id=528&atid=1985
May 22 19:47:18 <mgedmin> which SDK version do you want to install?
May 22 19:48:32 <RST38h> parigaudi: if you want things to work, you need to use one of officially supported distros
May 22 19:49:41 <parigaudi> ... being: debian and derivatives only?
May 22 19:49:50 <RST38h> more or less
May 22 19:51:36 <parigaudi> wow. that kinda sux. i mean, i do understand that it's easier to not have to deal with multiple distros, but this kinda forces most of the linux developers to install a second distro just for that or not develop for maemo
May 22 19:52:02 <StsN800> i'm with you on tthat one, parigaudi
May 22 19:53:52 <parigaudi> as a side reference: even windows mobile development (including the ms device emulator) works fine from any linux distro
May 22 19:54:01 <coldboot> Wow
May 22 19:54:04 <coldboot> I'm amazed.
May 22 19:55:37 <StsN800> mm?
May 22 19:56:08 <StsN800> parigaudi, part reason why i started the mer project
May 22 19:57:41 * mgedmin is surprised to hear that only debian+derivatives are officially supported
May 22 19:58:29 <coldboot> This link: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host/dists/ubuntu-intrepid/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz
May 22 19:58:39 <coldboot> Is broken, and the Scratchbox 2 install script depends on it.
May 22 19:58:53 <coldboot> The maemo-sdk-installer, that is.
May 22 19:59:49 <coldboot> What happened to http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ?
May 22 20:02:58 * matan is back (gone 00:24:48)
May 22 20:18:22 <coldboot> Is anyone using Scratchbox 2 here?
May 22 20:19:37 <mgedmin> I tried it a while ago
May 22 20:19:49 <mgedmin> well, more specifically, I tried maemo-sdk-plus or whatever it was called
May 22 20:19:59 <mgedmin> it was based on scratchbox 2
May 22 20:20:10 <mgedmin> you couldn't run apt-get install anything inside it, which was a downside
May 22 20:20:13 <mgedmin> maybe it's been fixed since then
May 22 20:21:52 <coldboot> It has.
May 22 20:22:07 <coldboot> But my scratchbox 2 is running the native arm gcc, which is slow as hell.
May 22 20:45:15 <Macer> blah
May 22 20:48:23 <Myrtti> would you like to switch your internet service providings to a providings that provides your internet service providings better than your current internet service providings?
May 22 20:49:14 <mgedmin> was that a spam?
May 22 20:49:17 <lcuk> Myrtti, :) do you wanna see what ive been doing
May 22 20:49:18 <jasonlife> OTL
May 22 20:49:23 <lcuk> oooh and you mariua :D
May 22 20:49:57 <Myrtti> mgedmin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8woC9B30zE
May 22 20:50:02 <lcuk> s
May 22 20:50:04 <Myrtti> lcuk: sure?
May 22 20:50:33 <lcuk> heh i would normally post on jaiku but ive moved out :$
May 22 20:50:35 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo
May 22 20:51:12 <crashanddie> Myrtti, it's "internet service providER"
May 22 20:51:41 <Myrtti> crashanddie: why are you bullying me?!
May 22 20:51:54 <crashanddie> not bullying, just correcting
May 22 20:52:00 <lcuk> crashanddie, complain at the vid itself and listen to it
May 22 20:52:04 <Myrtti> crashanddie: FAIL!
May 22 20:52:27 <mgedmin> Myrtti: if you put quotation marks around quotes, people wouldn't assume it was you who said them :-)
May 22 20:52:40 <Myrtti> mgedmin: but that would RUIN the fun
May 22 20:52:51 <mgedmin> "I can speak English just fine-ings" :-)
May 22 20:54:12 <Myrtti> Doovdé
May 22 20:55:02 <jasonlife> nol-gu-it-nae
May 22 20:56:01 <parigaudi> btw, do you guys have any info on when the n810 successor (n900? rx-51?) will come out and how much it will cost?
May 22 20:56:34 <ShadowJK> I'm guessing September and 600
May 22 20:56:39 <mgedmin> lcuk: the zoom in/out effect is sweet!
May 22 20:56:42 <ShadowJK> there's a forum thread for making bets :)
May 22 20:56:48 <ShadowJK> though I haven't participated
May 22 20:57:09 <crashanddie> there's actual bets
May 22 20:57:10 <crashanddie> ?
May 22 20:57:22 <ShadowJK> i don't remember..
May 22 20:57:41 <crashanddie> or just a win-a-day-of-fame kind of bet?
May 22 20:57:53 <parigaudi> $600 ouch that would hurt
May 22 20:57:57 <ShadowJK> crashanddie, probably
May 22 20:58:25 <ShadowJK> parigaudi, depends what you mean by "how much" too... these things drop in price continously after release..
May 22 20:58:48 <parigaudi> indeed. the n810 is at a nice price now
May 22 20:58:57 <lcuk> mgedmin, :)
May 22 20:59:00 <crashanddie> how many years after release?
May 22 20:59:08 <parigaudi> that's the prob
May 22 20:59:41 <crashanddie> I don't care, if it comes out and Nokia proves again it's not confused about making it a phone, I'm game and buy it whatever the price
May 22 20:59:44 <ShadowJK> and the N97 has been dropping in price even before the release heh
May 22 21:00:11 <ShadowJK> My guess is no regular gsm/3g voice :-)
May 22 21:00:38 <Macer> kung fu the legend continues came out 17 years ago
May 22 21:00:55 <Macer> i feel old :(
May 22 21:01:16 <parigaudi> why not regular gsm/3g voice?
May 22 21:01:26 <crashanddie> parigaudi, because it would be absolute shite?
May 22 21:01:35 <parigaudi> how that?
May 22 21:01:42 <crashanddie> speak englese?
May 22 21:02:11 <Macer> hm. just out of curiousity the new tablet will have an hspda modem correct?
May 22 21:02:14 <ShadowJK> parigaudi, I am guessing they don't want maemo to "take over" from symbian yet.
May 22 21:02:26 <ShadowJK> Macer, yes it's believed so
May 22 21:02:30 <crashanddie> ShadowJK, I don't want a bloody phone in there
May 22 21:02:34 <ShadowJK> since nokia has code for it
May 22 21:02:38 <Macer> hm.. so it can make direct phone calls?
May 22 21:02:43 <ShadowJK> Macer, not necessarily?
May 22 21:02:45 <crashanddie> Macer, nope
May 22 21:02:48 <parigaudi> i mean, nobody forces you to use that feature if it has it, and having hdspa without being able to phone kinda forces you to have two devices with you where you could have all in one
May 22 21:02:50 <Macer> well. that sucks :)
May 22 21:03:00 <ShadowJK> I mean, go buy a huawei modem and see if you can figure out how to make it do a regular call
May 22 21:03:02 <crashanddie> parigaudi, ok, lemme get this straight
May 22 21:03:02 * mgedmin had crashanddie's reaction to bloody hardware keyboards, and changed his minds 15 minutes after getting a n810
May 22 21:03:08 <Macer> so you pop a sim into it just to have something that can't be used for voice?
May 22 21:03:10 <mgedmin> um, his mind
May 22 21:03:13 <Macer> i mean there's always skype but still
May 22 21:03:14 <mgedmin> I only got one
May 22 21:03:18 <ShadowJK> Macer, yeah like on laptops with 3G
May 22 21:03:23 <ShadowJK> that just give you internets
May 22 21:03:37 <crashanddie> mgedmin, actually, I still think the keyboard on the n810 is shit
May 22 21:03:38 <Macer> ShadowJK: hm. usually that would require a seperate acct/payment
May 22 21:03:47 <mgedmin> crashanddie: do you have one?
May 22 21:03:52 <parigaudi> the fact of having to carry around two devices (which are close to the same hardware-wise) is kinda pointless
May 22 21:03:54 <crashanddie> mgedmin, yup
May 22 21:03:55 <Macer> ah well :)
May 22 21:04:00 <ShadowJK> dunno, I can get 4 parallell sim cards to my primary account :)
May 22 21:04:04 <mgedmin> do you think the n810 would be a better device without it?
May 22 21:04:09 <Macer> ShadowJK: i never tried that
May 22 21:04:13 <crashanddie> mgedmin, probably
May 22 21:04:13 <Macer> wonder if tmob does it
May 22 21:04:21 <mgedmin> all I can say is: I admire your principles
May 22 21:04:32 <Macer> then again though. if android gets a little better there won't be a need for the newer tablet
May 22 21:04:42 <Macer> like if it had cups
May 22 21:04:55 <crashanddie> mgedmin, less bulkier, no slider, so we could probably have had a bigger battery or GPS antenna
May 22 21:05:03 <Macer> i want cups on my damn phone :)
May 22 21:05:16 <mgedmin> hmm
May 22 21:05:21 <ShadowJK> I don't find android attractive at all to me.. atleast not with the current tivoized devices and java-only :)
May 22 21:05:22 <lcuk> i have refound the power of the n810 keyboard :)
May 22 21:05:45 <ShadowJK> I love maemo because most of the regular desktop software I use works on it
May 22 21:06:04 <crashanddie> mgedmin, and also: I was probably in a fanboi mode 15 minutes after getting the n810, truth be told, I booted my n810 for the first time in months yesterday
May 22 21:06:05 <Macer> ShadowJK: heh well... it has some linux stuff on it also ;)
May 22 21:06:13 <parigaudi> ShadowJK: exactly that pseudo-open java-only not-so-really-linux is kinda the total shit about android
May 22 21:06:49 <crashanddie> parigaudi, pseudo-java as well
May 22 21:06:49 <mgedmin> crashanddie: if I weren't reading e-books on mine, it'd probably also be lying in a drawer for months
May 22 21:06:50 <Macer> parigaudi: haha
May 22 21:06:51 <ShadowJK> parigaudi, agreed
May 22 21:07:00 <parigaudi> crashanddie: indeed
May 22 21:07:06 <Macer> ShadowJK: but it can be used on a phone ;)
May 22 21:07:15 <Macer> once it gets androffice and cups it will be awesome
May 22 21:07:19 <crashanddie> parigaudi, though, iPhone isn't any better, with all the obj-C going round
May 22 21:07:21 <Macer> maybe a few more apps
May 22 21:07:32 <parigaudi> Macer: that's the one big plus: you don't have to carry around _two_ devices
May 22 21:07:40 <Macer> parigaudi: yeah
May 22 21:07:41 <ShadowJK> I wonder how long until someone makes Mer able to do calls on the Freerunner :)
May 22 21:07:48 <Macer> parigaudi: well. you need a bluetooth keyboard
May 22 21:07:50 <crashanddie> though, people, we have to agree on something: people insisting on developing a whole app in Python on a 400 Mhz CPU? Seriously, they're just being masochists
May 22 21:07:56 <parigaudi> crashanddie: and apple holding developers in an iron grip
May 22 21:08:12 <Macer> but i would rather carry a bt keyboard and G1 than a phone bt keyboard and tablet
May 22 21:08:15 <parigaudi> Macer: why the bluetooth keyboard?
May 22 21:08:22 <Macer> parigaudi: for the office app ;)
May 22 21:08:27 <Macer> i was using my n800 for school
May 22 21:08:37 <Macer> so i didn't have to carry a laptop. everything would fit in my pockets
May 22 21:08:43 * ShadowJK rarely carries his N800 and N810 anywhere
May 22 21:08:44 <crashanddie> I don't know what kind of work you guys are doing, but I could never use my n810 for work...
May 22 21:08:51 <Macer> would even make pdfs of my books so i wouldn't have to carry those either
May 22 21:08:53 <ShadowJK> but I use them heavily, mostly at home
May 22 21:08:55 <Macer> heh
May 22 21:09:12 <Macer> especially after it got cups
May 22 21:09:21 <Macer> cups was awesome on the n800. i could just show up at home and print over wifi
May 22 21:09:34 <crashanddie> you've got a cups server at home?
May 22 21:09:50 <Macer> er...i have a wifi laser printer .. cups supports it
May 22 21:09:54 <parigaudi> me neither, i want a device that goes into a pocket, not an office system (when i want to do office stuff, i have a computer, when i'm mobile i wan't something really mobile)
May 22 21:09:56 <crashanddie> oh man, and I thought I was a geek
May 22 21:09:59 <Macer> the n800 had cups on it for the printing
May 22 21:10:16 <Macer> parigaudi: well.. the n800 was good for that for the most part
May 22 21:10:51 <ShadowJK> when I'm mobile I make do with putty on my E70 :/
May 22 21:11:00 <parigaudi> yeah well, i can live without cups on a mobile device
May 22 21:11:02 <Myrtti> n800 <3
May 22 21:11:27 <lcuk> n800 would be perfect if it had a keyboard :P
May 22 21:11:48 <lcuk> why would you want to put your cups on device ? wont you spill stuff on it?
May 22 21:12:19 <crashanddie> timeless, I'll give you a free ticket to London if you get SA or 2FA to work on maemo ;)
May 22 21:12:29 <Macer> lcuk: :-P
May 22 21:12:40 <Myrtti> lcuk: ;-)
May 22 21:12:48 * Myrtti hearts her n800
May 22 21:13:01 <Macer> n800 was good but well.. the lack of qwerty
May 22 21:13:04 <lcuk> have you give nyour 770 any love recently/
May 22 21:13:07 <Macer> it drove me nuts pecking at it
May 22 21:13:09 <crashanddie> timeless, SC support is a requirement though, I'll recompile AC to work as middleware on it :P
May 22 21:13:23 * lcuk has no bandage on :O
May 22 21:13:30 <crashanddie> AAAAHHHH ZOMBIE
May 22 21:13:48 <lcuk> it is
May 22 21:14:03 <Myrtti> lcuk: it's on the windowsill back in Warboys, waiting for an inspiration to come and tell me what to do with it
May 22 21:14:03 <lcuk> the skin all peeled off before - i couldv literally given the police my fingerprint
May 22 21:14:16 <crashanddie> for some reason I'm pretty sure nobody understood what I said to timeless
May 22 21:14:25 <crashanddie> timeless, awesome dude, we can talk in coded messages!
May 22 21:14:25 <lcuk> Myrtti, if it runs os2008 stabily for you try bluemaemo
May 22 21:14:32 <lcuk> make it a remote control/keyboard for 800
May 22 21:14:34 <Myrtti> lcuk: doesnt
May 22 21:14:42 <parigaudi> unrelated question: what's the status of Qt for Maemo? i believe Nokia/Qt announced they would port it but still haven't?
May 22 21:14:58 <crashanddie> parigaudi, I can tell you this much:
May 22 21:15:00 <StsN800> it's ported
May 22 21:15:00 <lcuk> its available
May 22 21:15:02 <Myrtti> will prolly put Mer on it and let bf do funky stuff with it and the home automation system
May 22 21:15:03 <lcuk> but unofficially
May 22 21:15:11 <Macer> parigaudi: i've used qt3 on it. with kde 3.5
May 22 21:15:13 <lcuk> heh
May 22 21:15:16 <Macer> never tried kde4
May 22 21:15:22 <StsN800> qt4.5 too
May 22 21:15:25 <lcuk> install the 770 in him and control him from 800
May 22 21:15:34 <parigaudi> yeah well i don't care about kde, just qt, but i  need qt 4.5, not qt3
May 22 21:15:41 <lcuk> you would be in heaven lol
May 22 21:15:44 <lcuk> "do the dishes"
May 22 21:16:19 <Macer> i hate doing laundry
May 22 21:16:19 <Myrtti> lcuk: but I can tell him over gtalk with my n800 to do the dishes downstairs already - he has n800 himself
May 22 21:16:25 <Macer> next time i think i will just take it somewhere
May 22 21:16:30 <parigaudi> Stskeeps:  do i understand correctly that it was ported, but not by Qt Software, but other guys (presumably those who wanted kde on the n810)?
May 22 21:16:33 <Myrtti> I don't mind laundry, I hate the dishes
May 22 21:16:48 <Macer> Myrtti: laundry is a pain. at least you can knock out dishes in one movement
May 22 21:16:49 <lcuk> hehehe
May 22 21:16:49 <Macer> :)
May 22 21:16:56 <parigaudi> StsN800:  do i understand correctly that it was ported, but not by Qt Software, but other guys (presumably those who wanted kde on the n810)?
May 22 21:17:00 <Macer> laundry takes multiple trips and waiting
May 22 21:17:09 <crashanddie> "Why did she kick you?" "I wanted a fellatio but the wifi died before it transmitted "job""
May 22 21:17:10 <StsN800> parigaudi, http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/
May 22 21:17:10 <lcuk> parigaudi, no, those wanting qt on tablet
May 22 21:17:14 <lcuk> go visit the project and see
May 22 21:17:15 <parigaudi> sorry, tab completion on quassel sux
May 22 21:17:30 <parigaudi> cool thx guys
May 22 21:17:36 <Myrtti> crashanddie: mrhmgh
May 22 21:17:41 <Myrtti> crashanddie: you fail in funneh
May 22 21:18:13 <crashanddie> Myrtti, and you fail in life, kiddo, now go back to your cave and learn yourself some English
May 22 21:18:19 <lcuk> comically challenged ;)
May 22 21:18:20 <lbt> parigaudi: some people use the Mer port of Qt on Maemo. Also there's no current plan to stop the Diablo branch AFAIK
May 22 21:18:26 <Macer> kung fu the legend continues is so pseudo 80s :)
May 22 21:18:31 <roope> Qt is cute.
May 22 21:18:42 <Macer> you know the early 90s where they were making that transition away from the 80s
May 22 21:18:43 <lbt> heh
May 22 21:18:45 <lcuk> oi crashanddie you are an overtired cranky git
May 22 21:18:47 <crashanddie> lcuk, better than a touch-based UI designer who gets his fingers chopped off :P
May 22 21:19:00 <Macer> like the highlander show with the purple versaci suits
May 22 21:19:02 <crashanddie> lcuk, yeah, probably true there
May 22 21:19:06 <Myrtti> crashanddie: you fail in sarcasm. Also, extra brownie points for telling a non-native to go learn English.
May 22 21:19:20 <Myrtti> sarcasm-dar broken ahoy
May 22 21:19:25 <crashanddie> Myrtti, I ain't native, dumb fuck
May 22 21:19:49 <crashanddie> and that's not the first time I told you that
May 22 21:20:03 <crashanddie> why is it people think the fact they weren't raised with a language is an excuse to make mistakes?
May 22 21:20:14 <Myrtti> crashanddie: then it might not be the first time that I've told you I'm not *EITHER*
May 22 21:20:16 <crashanddie> anyway, have a nice evening everyone, I'm out
May 22 21:20:24 <parigaudi> better yet: i ain't NO native (to be pronounced with a heavy southern Georgia dialect)
May 22 21:20:33 <Myrtti> ho-hum
May 22 21:20:45 * Myrtti goes to fiddle with thesixtyone.com
May 22 21:21:00 <roope> People fail at being not easily annoyed.
May 22 21:21:16 <crashanddie> I'm always afraid when I hear fiddling followed by a website... I've been traumatised by lemonparty.org
May 22 21:21:23 * lbt wanders off to a nicer channel...
May 22 21:21:32 * lcuk agrees
May 22 21:21:44 <lcuk> seb fuck off till you are more sociable
May 22 21:21:55 <crashanddie> aye, take care
May 22 21:21:58 <roope> :)
May 22 21:22:37 <coldboot> haha lemonparty
May 22 21:22:59 <coldboot> Does anyone know how to get scratchbox 2 running the x86 native arm compiler?
May 22 21:23:10 <lcuk> roope, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo  ive got an update :)
May 22 21:23:10 <coldboot> I think my sb2 is running the arm arm compiler, which runs really slow.
May 22 21:23:15 <coldboot> I have the x86 toolchain set...
May 22 21:25:27 <roope> lcuk: it looks very smooth.
May 22 21:25:42 <lcuk> yeah it feels it too
May 22 21:26:15 <lcuk> pieces of it will fall over at any second, but im gettin into my mojo with it
May 22 21:28:37 <lcuk> roope, did you see the searching?
May 22 21:28:47 <roope> yes, looks sweet.
May 22 21:28:57 <amr> sup yo
May 22 21:29:20 <Myrtti> wohoo, leveled up to level 5 \o/
May 22 21:31:57 <lbt> X-Fade: when you see this... :)   How do I get empowered to manage Mer bugs?
May 22 21:36:55 <Macer> damn i'm on load #9
May 22 21:37:03 * Macer goes to find something productive to do
May 22 21:38:27 <Macer> i just found a flaw in the zimbra ypl licensing :) if you use their login you are forced to use their giant ZIMBRA logo
May 22 21:38:34 <Macer> but if you use a different portal.. you are golden
May 22 22:56:33 <tank-man> bad things can happen if is use "chsh" to change my login shell?
May 22 22:58:14 <tank-man> forget it, I like to be safe
May 22 23:00:17 <tank-man> my /etc/shells file contains lines to shells that don't exist ... sounds bad
May 22 23:33:35 <GeneralAntilles> Can somebody have lbt ping me or Andre whenever he's back on?
May 22 23:35:35 <lcuk> it will be morning now i assume
May 22 23:36:02 <lcuk> have you seen the video yet gan? :$
May 22 23:42:26 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, too lazy to click the link.
May 22 23:43:07 <lcuk> you are in it :P
May 22 23:43:36 <lcuk> in your pimpin costume :D
May 22 23:44:01 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, just so you know, I'm bringing a set of bolt cutters to the Summit. :)
May 22 23:44:06 <GeneralAntilles> Gonna finish the job Nokia started.
May 22 23:44:13 <lcuk> heh
May 23 00:33:22 <xnt14> oops, forgot about xchat xD
May 23 01:03:11 <lcuk> gnite z4chh
May 23 01:04:19 <disco_stu> z4chh = zakkm ?
May 23 01:11:42 <z4chh> no
May 23 02:29:38 <LiraNuna> any chance the rx-51 is the N97?
May 23 02:29:55 <LiraNuna> :D
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