can only be scrolled by its scrollbars May 26 09:33:25 any hints to making it finger-scrollable if possible? May 26 09:33:40 Maybe Nokia have decided that you don't need it. Just like no-one needs a D-Pad.... May 26 09:33:52 Hmm no, there is, first one on the bottom row. May 26 09:33:54 good morning May 26 09:34:01 yea, you do not need it May 26 09:34:12 press-and-hold? :) May 26 09:34:28 double-press? May 26 09:34:28 sbaader: use a javascript bookmarklet to stretch the div? :) May 26 09:35:20 timeless_mbp: it is large and scrolls fine with the scrollbar May 26 09:35:31 timeless_mbp: yeah, the screen shuts down nicely and I guess I'll have to rely on the kernel dynticks to let it sleep mostly. even so, I dislike the idea that the min freq is raised without the possibility of dropping back down, but I'm assuming it's related to the framebuffer and DSP rendering. May 26 09:35:32 * RST38h finds it amusing that N900 *has got space* for a dpad but nobody was bright enough to put it there May 26 09:36:02 behaves like an iframe, except taht I can only scroll it with its scrollbar May 26 09:36:07 kynde: my understanding is that in order to talk to the video thing we must change the freq to <400 May 26 09:36:27 sbaader: basically, scrolling is hard May 26 09:36:32 predicting how things will work is hard May 26 09:36:43 convincing ui designers about potential problems is very hard May 26 09:36:43 RST38h, the nokia way is: "if something doesn't work - remove it.". Remember how much complaints of the d-ppad location on the N810, on itt? May 26 09:36:49 sbaader: install fenec May 26 09:36:51 or fennec May 26 09:37:05 sbaader: and nokians do not do hard things, in case you have not understood yet =) May 26 09:37:16 hehe.. May 26 09:37:18 qwerty12_N800: i lost the ability to swap chess positions midgame because of that May 26 09:37:22 :( May 26 09:37:36 i tried fennic but it is a different ting May 26 09:37:37 qwerty: there is really a perfect place for the dpad May 26 09:37:47 (they really did remove that feature because the game could get pissy if you switched positions on the computer) May 26 09:37:57 qwerty: On the back of the device, where your fingers are when you hold it as a camera (horizontally) May 26 09:38:11 I use the browser to prototype a GUI and used an iframe for a scrolling viewport May 26 09:38:13 timeless_mbp, heh :( May 26 09:38:14 timeless_mbp: that must be it. I guess I'll just have to keep the app sleeping as much as possible. the tcp keepalives that cannot be avoided make it difficult though... May 26 09:38:58 now i chnaged it to a div with overflow:scroll because the iframe has to make requests to change content, and I just want to use ajax in-place updates May 26 09:39:00 RST38h: too logical :( May 26 09:39:01 you could even use it to control focus of a hypothetical camera May 26 09:39:09 while you watched the full screen viewfinder May 26 09:39:11 so that's teh situation :) May 26 09:39:29 sbaader: sorry... what can i say? May 26 09:39:34 * timeless_mbp ponders May 26 09:39:36 And "too logical" is a big no-no in your hardware design lab? May 26 09:39:50 hehe May 26 09:40:09 RST38h: so it seems May 26 09:40:20 remember, i've never managed to find those people May 26 09:40:29 this is merely an impression May 26 09:40:39 I mean, coming up with 7380 that looks like a tampon is ok May 26 09:40:54 Did anybody notice that that N900 shot is running diablo? :) May 26 09:40:55 But putting in damn dpad is not May 26 09:40:55 was that the lipstick phone? May 26 09:41:14 X-Fade: it is apparently not an N900, just some synthetic presentation image May 26 09:41:27 I was just curious if anyone here knew how to make it behave like regular scrolling in the browser -- it seems like an incomplete implementation since both iframes and regular pages scroll by finger touch May 26 09:41:59 sbaader: the browser behaviors in diablo (and earlier, and probably later) are all hacks May 26 09:42:10 damn May 26 09:42:15 and unlike the other stuff about which i'm commenting, i know, that's what i work on May 26 09:53:49 bleh, I compiled gcc4.4 for maemo and now it spits out static binaries with libc at ~500kb for a hello world May 26 09:53:49 kynde: the DSP doesn't do rendering of anything other than sound May 26 09:54:27 kynde: if you are decoding MP3s or something like that, then it will raise the cpufreq, normal pcm audio shouldn't as that's not handled by a dynamic task May 26 09:57:33 it's funny to watch a tv show back to back May 26 09:57:33 http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20090305165448_AMD_Delays_Bulldozer_Processors_to_2011.html May 26 09:57:36 one season after the next May 26 09:57:45 when ncis started they had these old ass b/w lcd phones May 26 09:57:56 i hope you enjoy the n900 May 26 09:57:59 now they're up to iphones May 26 09:58:16 i'll be geekin woth mah pandora May 26 09:58:55 might get the n900 too May 26 09:59:07 dont have a decent phone May 26 09:59:15 minra: heh May 26 09:59:21 and that looks like the phone i'd want, tbh May 26 09:59:24 minra: probably a problem with the multi core stuff May 26 09:59:27 :) again May 26 09:59:33 more 3X stuff? May 26 09:59:43 3x? May 26 10:00:01 look, i buy amd out of pure hate May 26 10:00:15 X3 May 26 10:00:51 i havent upgraded my 2ghz athlon 2800 xp May 26 10:01:01 haha May 26 10:01:16 wasn't it here where we got into a huge conversation about amd having broken processors and releasing them as X3 :) May 26 10:01:20 * Macer hides May 26 10:01:28 dunno May 26 10:02:07 wtf May 26 10:02:09 that's how all processors are sold May 26 10:02:09 just buy AMD when you can May 26 10:02:14 wtf is a conesus May 26 10:02:20 i didn't know amd had an atom clone :) May 26 10:02:26 The Power of Christ Compels You! May 26 10:02:29 mavhc: haha May 26 10:02:31 Hmmm May 26 10:02:37 i don't want to get into that again :) May 26 10:02:40 Does AMD run Scratchbox? May 26 10:02:59 why not? May 26 10:03:28 sure buy i7 if you want the fastest May 26 10:03:39 otherwise, send some cash to amd May 26 10:03:43 i want to see what runs a conesus May 26 10:03:45 :) May 26 10:04:50 "ultraportable" cpu May 26 10:06:17 kynde: sorry, hardware details are really outside my area May 26 10:06:25 if i get things wrong near them, oops :) May 26 10:06:31 i work on browsers May 26 10:06:40 platforms should just work and get out of my way :) May 26 10:10:34 * RST38h wonders what drives people to insist on strict XML node structures May 26 10:10:43 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110313 May 26 10:10:46 wow that thing is neat May 26 10:11:05 Macer: Seen it in a store. It is ugly like hell May 26 10:11:14 how small is it? May 26 10:11:16 looks pretty tiny May 26 10:11:23 Macer: Bit bigger than N800 May 26 10:11:28 Macer: Way thicker May 26 10:11:30 wow May 26 10:11:35 fits in a pocket? May 26 10:11:44 In a large pocket, yes May 26 10:12:10 You will want cargo pants with that May 26 10:13:35 i dunno. a little pricey for what it is but interesting looking May 26 10:23:21 sp3000, *.nokia.com: ping May 26 10:23:37 did anyone get a text message inviting them to download something (possibly a virus)? May 26 10:24:49 timeless_mbp: yep May 26 10:24:53 it said " ur " so I ignored it May 26 10:25:05 sp3000: that puzzled me May 26 10:25:18 tekojo: could you please infect your phone and let me know if it's safe? :) May 26 10:25:48 grandpa is being hip again May 26 10:25:54 timeless_mbp: sure, no problem! May 26 10:26:13 thanks! May 26 10:26:32 also, the device I get those on is so old it doesn't linkify, so I'm like totally immune May 26 10:26:33 No won't infect my phone, won't even work :-( May 26 10:27:27 tekojo: what kind of phone? May 26 10:27:35 the link works fine on my n81 8g May 26 10:27:45 but i'm not really interested in letting it have access to my contacts May 26 10:28:10 sp3000: does james have a dummy phone w/ a dummy network that we could use? May 26 10:28:19 actually, i should head in May 26 10:28:26 i mostly solved my mxr bug May 26 10:29:04 timeless_mbp: seems to work on my 6220c May 26 10:29:14 tekojo: ok, so how evil is it? May 26 10:29:54 how would you find out, in practise :) May 26 10:30:09 timeless_mbp: really evil, on your sanity May 26 10:30:23 sp3000: hrm May 26 10:30:34 you'd need your own private networks May 26 10:30:41 and you'd need a custom address book May 26 10:31:00 sp3000: if it's actually java, you'd probably disassemble it May 26 10:33:02 oh, it's flash May 26 10:33:08 i guess you'd need to use the flash decompiler May 26 10:33:52 tekojo: was the first line at the bottom poorly kerned, bordering on unreadable? May 26 10:33:58 and um, is that a pig grunting at me? May 26 10:34:49 and um May 26 10:34:54 what's wrong w/ the rest of the planet? May 26 10:35:16 and what do they have against using proper English in sentences? May 26 10:36:39 * timeless_mbp accidentally quits May 26 10:37:04 timeless_mbp: I quit the thing intentionally May 26 10:37:39 To capture intergalactic value growth. May 26 10:37:42 is that a sentence? May 26 10:37:52 btw, i didn't see any "this is confidential" in this thing May 26 10:38:22 oh, wow, this is scary May 26 10:38:50 it's amazing how shows follow the same theme May 26 10:38:56 all shows follow the hollidays May 26 10:39:02 btw, someone should tell them that it isn't a good idea to treat your customers as aliens May 26 10:39:10 the thanksgiving show. the christmas show. halloween May 26 10:39:13 timeless_mbp: It actually doesn't say confidential :-O May 26 10:39:32 tekojo: and they wonder why things leak! May 26 10:39:43 btw, i'm going to intentionally not mention some of the interesting parts May 26 10:39:50 but i claim that there wasn't anything telling me not to May 26 10:39:56 they're just too scary to mention May 26 10:40:15 btw, has Finland heard of Platinum? May 26 10:40:23 or do credit cards here not reach past Gold? May 26 10:40:43 process utilize May 26 10:40:49 there's a great um.. thing? May 26 10:41:16 Macer: on the topic of follows the same theme May 26 10:41:31 this "game" requires you to hit the same point on the screen giving a fixed starting point May 26 10:42:19 * timeless_mbp frowns May 26 10:42:24 i also think they're having trouble counting May 26 10:42:31 i think they told me to count to 4, but i ended up at 5 May 26 10:43:18 oh good May 26 10:43:37 they have an Execution point May 26 10:43:41 who can we execute? May 26 10:44:00 can we spend points for each Execution? i have lots of points :) May 26 10:44:44 ok, it's LunchOClock May 26 10:44:51 time to munch May 26 10:54:20 success! I got gcc 4.4 targeting maemo on x86_64 May 26 10:55:37 maemo4 at least May 26 10:55:58 LiraNuna: wow :) May 26 10:56:37 anyone interested in build instructions? May 26 10:57:51 You can also install the cs2007/2008 toolchain for scratchbox & set up a new target. that's how I did it last time :) May 26 10:58:15 but that's using gcc 3.4 May 26 10:58:34 Not with a new toolchain installed May 26 10:59:53 you can't install the toolchain on 64bit though May 26 11:00:08 at least without hacking May 26 11:00:17 lardman|afk: oh, got it now. opening SDL_mixer causes the scaling_min_freq to jump to 400000. this is good, since I can easily close it when there little going on. May 26 11:00:23 Yeah, I'm using a 32-bit system here... May 26 11:00:44 qwerty12_N800, I don't :) and installing the official SDK is a mess May 26 11:01:34 yeah :) May 26 11:01:40 so I compiled my own toolchain May 26 11:03:53 I might document it on my site so other people may benefit from it May 26 11:04:06 hacking libc wasn't fun, it's all hardcoded May 26 11:07:38 ugh, i really hope this "rover" is a very bad hoax... May 26 11:07:52 t_s_o: signs point to "not hoax" May 26 11:08:02 ye gods... May 26 11:08:15 It is a little disappointing that the screen is getting smaller. May 26 11:08:55 If nothing else, the "Rover" name wasn't very well known - and ties in with an accidental commit to a changelog containing it, and a mention about it - the day before the leak - on the Beagle Board thread. May 26 11:09:24 I don't think Rover is such a bad name. May 26 11:11:11 If anything, it would be just a code name? Like Selene was for N810? May 26 11:11:27 car name isn't it? rover May 26 11:11:34 i just find those images somewhat "funny", as the latest seems to have basically pasted a screenshot of maemo4 on top of the render mobilecrunch presented, along with buttons from the N810 May 26 11:11:51 Those are all space related terms btw. May 26 11:11:52 tho that small green shape at the edge of the image is confusing me May 26 11:12:08 We had Sputnik, Gagarin, Selene and now Rover May 26 11:12:12 those aren't the N810 buttons May 26 11:12:16 the space bar is different May 26 11:12:38 but the best bit is the amount of heavy compression artifacts... May 26 11:13:01 where are these images? May 26 11:13:13 Oh, yeah, I guess it's a codename; but the fact it was a fairly secret codename - and now being mentioned in the leak - firms the leak up. May 26 11:13:19 http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-rover-internet-tablet-details-leak-2644704/ May 26 11:13:30 Combined with the comments from Texrat and Mara on tmo; it looks pretty accurate May 26 11:13:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_(car) May 26 11:14:09 funny thing tho, the cellpassion image, where slashgear got it i belive, is named lowres_nokrover.jpg... May 26 11:14:13 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/16/20546478_07f2a513ae.jpg?v=0 May 26 11:14:38 LiraNuna: how would you make the installation better? May 26 11:15:24 jjo, add native support for 64bit as well as include documentation for the brave ones who want to compile their own toolchain May 26 11:16:07 I had to use the libc6 and libc6-dev packages from maemo to generate my own libc for bootstrap May 26 11:16:25 LiraNuna: now that you have drawn my attention to it, yes the space is different, but different in that its the same graphic as used in the full screen on-screen keyboard May 26 11:16:26 and most of the symlinked were hardcoded to use /lib/*.so May 26 11:16:40 lardman|afk: thanks! got it. I'll just close the SDL_mixer when there nothing going on and the scaling_min_freq indeed drops back to 165000 May 26 11:16:59 t_s_o, now that you mention it, it does look like it May 26 11:17:19 LiraNuna: thanks :) May 26 11:17:22 there's also no Chr key May 26 11:17:27 LiraNuna: Or Fn May 26 11:17:35 jjo, are you the maemo sdk maintainer? May 26 11:17:52 part of the fremantle team, yes May 26 11:17:55 I didn't mean to criticize or anything :( May 26 11:18:05 I didn't take it like that May 26 11:18:08 jjo: Good to see people lik you hanging out here. :) May 26 11:18:18 I'm used to compiling me own toolchains May 26 11:18:24 And by lik I mean like. May 26 11:18:33 I got ~10 cross compilers at my workstation May 26 11:18:42 we've triedt to make the installation as easy as possible, but still please the legal department May 26 11:18:54 64-bit is problematic though May 26 11:19:02 jjo: The problem is the legal department. :P May 26 11:19:04 hmm, they could have yanked the keys from the N810W, except the symbols are blue, not orange May 26 11:19:23 jjo, how come? maybe I can help May 26 11:19:42 t_s_o, I got an N810WE and it has the same keyboard as N810 May 26 11:19:45 just orange May 26 11:20:22 yep, i just wondered where a potential image edit may get some white on black keys, as the N810 was black on silver... May 26 11:20:52 ther isn't a 64-bit scratchbox and no real support for that May 26 11:21:07 oh, I don't know how scratchbox works May 26 11:21:16 isn't sb2 the sdk future though? May 26 11:21:27 I think it's a combination of qemu and maemo for i386? May 26 11:21:45 sb2 is one option May 26 11:22:01 Stskeeps: Fremantle beta is still sb1, so I guess that they won't switch official ones before release ;) May 26 11:22:03 it would solve some problems but also introduce new ones May 26 11:22:20 still, fremantle will use sb1 May 26 11:23:00 jjo, can you explain how scratchbox works? May 26 11:23:14 +please May 26 11:23:16 Magic! May 26 11:23:20 :O May 26 11:23:30 unfortunately I'm not a scratchbox expert :( May 26 11:23:35 ah May 26 11:23:49 suihkulokki or jumpula might be able to help there May 26 11:23:49 i'm not sure many people are May 26 11:24:33 LiraNuna, Yes, qemu plus lots of directory linking to setup a runtime environment.. SB2 is much nicer than SB1.. I setup SB2 in a 32bit ubuntu chroot, since I use 64bit ubuntu. May 26 11:26:05 is the 64bit problem[s?] from qemu or something else? May 26 11:27:27 simply put scratchbox is just a chroot with host tools inside /scratchbox and target stuff inside the normal system paths + some cpu transparency and redirection magic May 26 11:27:44 (talking about sb1 of course) May 26 11:28:15 LiraNuna: do you have a more specific question in mind? May 26 11:28:19 jumpula: If it is just a chroot - why not use cowbuilder or pbuilder from debian? May 26 11:28:43 jumpula, not really and sorry if I'm bothering people, I've never used scratchbox May 26 11:28:52 they don't have host tools (including cross compiler) and cpu transparency methods May 26 11:29:10 jumpula: You can add those with apt May 26 11:29:42 At runtime. May 26 11:29:54 host tools means this case tools for your host's architecture (the one you're doing cross compiling with) May 26 11:30:27 Right. Just call apt and pull them into the live chroot. May 26 11:30:33 jeremiah_: yes, but then they're target architecture May 26 11:33:18 Why can't the mechanisms used in sb be moved into cowbuilder? Since it is Copy on write it feels much faster than sb. May 26 11:33:46 Plus any simplification of the build toolchain I think would be welcomed by developers. May 26 11:34:09 i have never tried cowbuilder, so can't really say May 26 11:34:38 there are quite many ways to do cross platform development, sb1 being one option May 26 11:35:18 jumpula: Yeah. I don't mean to sound critical, I realize it is a complicated process for you guys what with the legal and technical issues. May 26 11:35:31 or rather, building a rootstrap for target architecture other than then host you're using. May 26 11:35:33 --host=arm-linux-gnueabi anyone May 26 11:36:10 jeremiah_: full system emulation is a heck lot slower than user level emulation May 26 11:36:43 from the gnu software stack, there's not many that can be configured to crosscompile nicely May 26 11:37:06 Stskeeps: True. May 26 11:37:14 jumpula, true - but I have done it so many times I know my way around it May 26 11:37:32 jeremiah_: sb2 is going in the right direction with proper qemu user level emulation and support for cross compilers May 26 11:37:36 (as is OBS) May 26 11:38:15 there are people that know their way around it, but usually stuff like that means extra work. May 26 11:38:23 dneary: I'd love to thanks you for http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=290391&postcount=75 - but doing so may detract from your message, and pull you into the conspiracy May 26 11:39:15 sb1 one of the design principles was that if you have for example a debian package you want to compile to a different architecture *without modifying the package and building all the dependencies with it* you can easily do that with sb1 May 26 11:39:48 and the fact that the tools native to your host architecture run faster when compared to everything run under emulation May 26 11:40:01 *in sb1 May 26 11:41:05 jumpula: Hmm. Those are pretty smart design principles. May 26 11:41:11 it's a hack and not even a pretty one, but for that particular purpose it suits quite well :) May 26 11:42:45 what would be my legal obligation if I upload a fixed (structure wise, code/binary is 1:1) version of maemo4 glibc suitable for bootstrapping GCC for cross compilation? May 26 11:42:54 upload = distribute May 26 11:43:57 I want to write a guide in my site to help other people compile their own maemo toolchain, but the process of getting libc together is not very pleasent and I'd like to give a pre-structured version of it included May 26 11:44:44 the files were taken from the debian packages of maemo (libc6, libc6-dev and linux-headers) May 26 11:44:48 LiraNuna: Look at the licenses of the software you want to distribute. May 26 11:45:23 If you can take all that code directly from debian and have it do what you want, you should have no problem. May 26 11:45:34 binaries May 26 11:45:37 LiraNuna: The second you include proprietary blobs you are in trouble. May 26 11:46:22 jeremiah_, those are libc from debian, and according to the GPL I must supply source by demand, which is not in my possession May 26 11:46:36 s/debian/maemo/ May 26 11:46:37 LiraNuna meant: jeremiah_, those are libc from maemo, and according to the GPL I must supply source by demand, which is not in my possession May 26 11:46:41 put the source out along with it? May 26 11:46:57 Stskeeps, I don't know where it is.. May 26 11:47:12 apt-get source? May 26 11:47:37 oh, if so, I can just redirect May 26 11:50:52 http://pastie.org/489930 May 26 11:50:53 :) May 26 11:51:24 xnt14[ipod], damn you i replied last night May 26 11:51:28 but you had gone May 26 11:52:21 sorry, I had to go to sleep, I literally fell asleep on the keyboard, I just pulled the cord and went to bed :P/:( May 26 11:52:32 just pm me the log May 26 11:52:37 lol May 26 11:52:39 lol May 26 11:52:43 nahhh u missed it May 26 11:52:50 its gone now into the ether :P May 26 11:52:50 im registering my nick(s) May 26 11:58:26 i think ill buy a cheap n810 battery on ebay so i can keep my n810 on the charger for long periods of time May 26 11:59:26 hello all 1 May 26 12:03:35 hello oDuda 2 May 26 12:04:01 I was removing gizmo and made a script to do this... with the score of dkpg listing... the scripts only run with sudo command and give me no results messages... any idea ? May 26 12:04:20 LiraNuna hahahahha Hello ! May 26 12:04:34 oh, those weren't serial numbers? May 26 12:04:51 no ! index numbers only hehe May 26 12:05:15 that 1 would be a ! ... heheh May 26 12:05:30 again hello all ! May 26 12:06:52 hi May 26 12:07:00 hi ! May 26 12:07:15 hi sanjay5976 May 26 12:07:23 69.. hehe May 26 12:07:26 hi oDuda May 26 12:07:35 hi May 26 12:07:46 hi mib_2u3c58 May 26 12:08:06 i want to ask a question. May 26 12:08:33 just ask ! somebody will see it ! May 26 12:08:47 thank you! May 26 12:08:58 :-) May 26 12:09:23 i am installing Qt4.5 on maemo 4.1.2 so while i give qmake -qt4 -v i am getting an error segmentation fault (core dumped) May 26 12:09:29 any idea May 26 12:10:07 me not sanjay6976 - sorry ! May 26 12:11:15 oDuda:k thanks May 26 12:12:39 sanjay6976 - just you saw http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ ? May 26 12:14:38 i want to find the header of a class or function.how i should do? May 26 12:15:11 lizardo, thanks for the email on -developers! reassuring to see that debian build log :) May 26 12:16:17 qwerty12_N800: yeah, they keep the build logs for all packages there , so it is a good reference to see if some warnings are expected or not :) May 26 12:17:07 Will remember that :) May 26 12:18:08 i want to know where is the function's header. May 26 12:18:12 n900 looks like a great phone May 26 12:18:14 how to find May 26 12:18:32 anybody know? May 26 12:19:02 i end up searching manually mib_fgp5xu May 26 12:19:08 grep -r helps May 26 12:20:00 i am installing Qt4.5 on maemo 4.1.2 so while i give qmake -qt4 -v i am getting an error segmentation fault (core dumped) May 26 12:20:20 for DIABLO_ARMEL May 26 12:21:01 who here do you thnk knows what you are talking bout sanjay6976 ? May 26 12:21:18 sanjay6976: You can look at core dumps in the GNU debugger May 26 12:21:28 Look at gdb for help May 26 12:21:53 meta-help ftw May 26 12:22:11 heh May 26 12:44:44 where can I find a maemo4 rootfs? May 26 12:46:01 rootfs or bootstrap for your toolchain setup? May 26 12:49:25 scratchbox2 bootstrap May 26 12:49:36 apparently scratchbox2 is in ubuntu's repos May 26 12:50:06 it's been a while there May 26 12:50:11 should be in debian sid too May 26 12:50:38 I want to see how well it works on 64bit May 26 12:51:48 LiraNuna, (not sure if it's a sbox1 only rootstrap, if it can be used on both or if sbox2 has its own one) http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.1.2_armel.tgz May 26 12:52:05 woot, thank you qwerty12_N800 May 26 12:52:12 you've been a lot of help May 26 12:52:27 :) May 26 12:52:36 * Stskeeps passes qwerty12_N800 a cookie May 26 12:53:21 * qwerty12_N800 takes it, greatfully, thanks May 26 12:55:49 seems like it doesn't like gnueabi May 26 12:56:39 how to find function header,anybody know? May 26 12:58:17 i am a newbie,who can answer for me thanks May 26 12:58:38 how to find function header,anybody know May 26 12:58:46 how to find function header,anybody know? May 26 13:00:15 * jeremiah_ wonders where his cookie is. May 26 13:01:04 COOKIES! May 26 13:05:29 moo wazd May 26 13:06:34 RST38h: heya May 26 13:07:51 mib_xgmlnv, which function, what file, wtf? or are you some trollness? May 26 13:08:01 usually it's in some .h file (or .hpp for c++ headers sometimes) - check your include statements May 26 13:08:03 other than that, this is the wrong channel May 26 13:12:06 AStorm,i want to know the location of some functon and look the description ralative to them,how do? May 26 13:12:15 thank you ? May 26 13:12:24 thanks! May 26 13:13:05 mib_xgmlnv, grep might be of some use too May 26 13:13:27 grep is slow and block May 26 13:13:49 yes, it is, but it will find what you want *if* it's in your package May 26 13:14:02 it might be system or library include - then check your #include May 26 13:14:23 if it's a system header (usually with <>, but not always), try the manpage May 26 13:15:15 this is for all function in maemo 4.1.2 May 26 13:15:25 all can be found? May 26 13:15:38 i want to find some function or class May 26 13:16:01 there is lot of function i am not familar with May 26 13:47:10 hm May 26 13:47:45 you can tell that the actress that plays abby is on drugs May 26 13:47:46 :) May 26 13:47:53 or drunk... or something May 26 13:48:11 abby.. west wing or some other? May 26 13:48:11 :P May 26 13:48:36 ER? May 26 13:49:21 NCIS May 26 13:49:42 and she's actually just a good actress. May 26 13:50:24 lbt: i've only seen her on ncis May 26 13:50:30 in which i think she is kind of annoying May 26 13:50:39 wtf is a perky goth girl? May 26 13:51:15 you obviously haven't spent enough time with perky goth girls May 26 13:51:16 :P May 26 13:51:21 lol May 26 13:51:25 no can't say i have May 26 13:51:34 i thought the whole point of being goth was to be all dreary May 26 13:52:22 nah May 26 13:52:26 you're thinking about emos May 26 13:53:35 * nomis knows a perky goth girl. Married and has a kid. May 26 13:54:38 * Stskeeps doesn't wear eyeliner, dark nail polish or has long dark hair.. anymore May 26 13:54:38 :P May 26 13:54:53