**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 27 02:59:57 2009 May 27 03:00:31 b-man16: thx. :) he lags sometimes, but generally not as bad as me. :) May 27 03:01:59 XD May 27 03:02:10 awesome May 27 03:02:27 they have an app for a wii that will back up the modified nand for you May 27 03:02:33 so you don't have to worry about nintendo overwriting it May 27 03:02:37 :) can always go back to where you were May 27 03:02:55 these wii hax0rs sure do put a lot of effort into this sort of stuff May 27 03:19:05 * xnt14 pokes b-man14 May 27 03:19:26 * a hole in time opens up at xnt14's finger * May 27 03:19:32 and May 27 03:20:55 * xnt14 pokes b-man when he is 14yrs old May 27 03:20:55 :P May 27 03:21:44 lol May 27 04:50:04 hi May 27 04:56:41 morning May 27 05:00:38 how to find a header file ralative to some class? May 27 05:01:50 Howdy May 27 05:02:02 morn May 27 05:02:58 mom? May 27 05:03:41 maemo pragram May 27 05:39:42 man May 27 05:39:47 up to like 400GB of wii games :) May 27 05:41:51 mib_ru, depends, but for gtk classes, /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/classname.h (where classname is class name in all-lowercase) May 27 05:42:50 mib_ru, for hildon, /usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/class-name.h (where class-name is class name in all lowercase with words separated by dashes) May 27 05:59:59 any scratchbox2 gurus around? May 27 06:19:17 inz,thanks May 27 06:23:10 heh May 27 06:23:15 i'm watching the seth mcfarlane movie May 27 06:23:30 covaclade of comedy May 27 07:12:24 oh boy, seems like peter is getting suckered into talk :P May 27 07:14:36 wow...wonder if he got clearance for that last comment O_o May 27 07:15:07 * Myrtti is intrigued May 27 07:22:59 how to get maemo code sample May 27 07:23:37 mib_ru8203: http://maemo.org/development/ May 27 07:23:40 what kind of sample code are you looking for? a basic hello world? May 27 07:24:12 yes,i mean in eclipse May 27 07:24:28 page 1 links to http://maemo.org/development/sources/ May 27 07:25:13 i know the page,but i don't know how to download May 27 07:25:38 so many file May 27 07:26:36 i know apt-get source,but it doesn't work May 27 07:28:26 how to read code sample easily? May 27 07:28:54 maybe something like this? http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_application_development_content/plain_html/ May 27 07:29:04 it includes hello world code and has instructions on getting started May 27 07:29:20 thanks May 27 07:29:42 anyone have instructions about setting up scratchbox2 for maemo? May 27 07:30:35 hm May 27 07:30:42 you can setting up scratchbox1 in directory /opt/scratchbox May 27 07:30:46 have an 80% success rate for these wii games May 27 07:31:38 LiraNuna: AFAIK suihkulokki is one of the sb2 devs and all round good guy... keep an eye out May 27 07:31:53 LiraNuna, that's what this is, right? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/index.html May 27 07:31:54 lbt, I had a chance talking to him, but he vanished :* May 27 07:32:21 johnxx, yeah, but there isn't support for 64bit May 27 07:32:41 ah, well, you might have to improvise a little then May 27 07:32:46 I built my own cross compiler which works May 27 07:33:24 there are no documentations on how to init sb2, and if there are, they are either out of date or invalid May 27 07:38:32 why is maemo-sdk 32bit only? can't I get the source and compile myself? May 27 07:39:29 scratchbox2 is in the ubuntu repositories, I can't see how a script can have problem when switching archs May 27 07:39:47 Morning, all May 27 07:40:02 Maemo sdk requires older scratchbox. May 27 07:40:48 LiraNuna, I think some people have used sb1 on 64-bit distros successfully. I know I tried it as well by disabling some checks. I really don't know what to tell you other than give it a shot May 27 07:41:02 also, keep in mind that not all of the source behind the maemo-sdk is available May 27 07:41:25 at least I can cross compile May 27 07:42:24 johnxx, I'm trying to do it manually, I don't like hacking a script that is meant for another arch May 27 07:43:07 then maybe run a 32bit chroot / 32bit vm? May 27 07:43:20 there's a nice vmware image you can use in virtualbox I hear May 27 07:43:33 Yep. I would recommend virtualbox May 27 07:43:46 I already run VB for virtual XP May 27 07:43:55 for applications I'm forced to use May 27 07:44:08 well, then you're halfway there :) May 27 07:44:09 LiraNuna: where did you get to last night? May 27 07:44:37 suihkulokki, a.out isn't found May 27 07:46:03 LiraNuna, considering that scratchbox1 has already been built for amd64, why not try that first: http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ ? (Besides that, scratchbox2 is more of a pain in the ass) May 27 07:46:45 qwerty12: zenvoid said you knew where to disable hildon window borders btw? May 27 07:46:50 * Myrtti ♥ pablo May 27 07:47:32 I think I had the wrong rootstrap May 27 07:47:39 I had rootfs instead of rootstrap May 27 07:47:55 what I originally had was ~10MB, this one's 140MB May 27 07:48:19 Stskeeps: I don't know where - I said Khertan found out how to get rid of the left, bottom and right borders via the gtkrc May 27 07:48:22 ah May 27 07:51:03 LiraNuna: does sb2 -e ./a.out work ? May 27 07:51:37 suihkulokki, I erased what I had out of frustration, but I think I was using a wrong rootstrap May 27 07:54:29 nope, same error May 27 07:56:13 suihkulokki, http://pastie.org/491081 May 27 07:56:56 the libtool config.log says ./a.out not found too May 27 07:56:58 hm. finishing the documentary on chernobyl May 27 07:57:11 always nice to see that there was white hot magma :) May 27 07:57:24 3000C magma May 27 07:57:43 suihkulokki, more throughout: http://pastie.org/491087 May 27 07:59:31 LiraNuna, I told you my setup, yes? I debootstrapped a 32bit ubuntu version in a directory, chroot'd to it, and installed the sb2 packages. May 27 07:59:52 rmt_, I got ~20 chroots and cross compilers envs in my workstations May 27 07:59:56 LiraNuna, Configured it as per website, then doing sb2 -e gcc blah blah blah May 27 08:00:09 i am trying to run: fakeroot perl -MCPAN -e shell in scratchbox, but it gives me error: /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/CPAN/Config.pm May 27 08:00:14 LiraNuna, Oh, good, then you'll figure it out no problem! :-) May 27 08:00:18 did also try to do chmod with fakeroot, but no success May 27 08:00:30 any suggestions? May 27 08:00:44 rmt_, I always do stuff out of the ordinary, I'd like ONCE to try 'official' dev tools May 27 08:00:58 LiraNuna, then why not try them? May 27 08:01:10 LiraNuna, Sounds cool. Could you fix all the bugs while you're there? :) May 27 08:01:38 johnxx, I don't need another chroot for i386 system which will chroot an arm system May 27 08:02:03 LiraNuna: i think maemo sdk abstract a lot of the insanity away :P May 27 08:02:09 Passeli: Make sure perl (and perl-modules) are installed in your scratchbox and then type this: export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH - it'll tell scratchbox's perl to piss off and it'll use Maemo's perl May 27 08:03:22 Eclipse error: The software items you selected may not be valid with your current installation" shows up. May 27 08:04:30 qwerty12: thar worked! thanks! May 27 08:05:42 LiraNuna, then what about a vm? May 27 08:06:28 I'm not trying to bypass a problem, I'm trying to solve/understand it May 27 08:06:59 fair enough, but often wanting to use the official tools and wanting to solve a problem are going to be two things competing for your time May 27 08:10:51 http://pastie.org/491100 May 27 08:10:55 it finally found it May 27 08:10:59 in a totally weird way May 27 08:12:56 i was wondering if its possible at all, "easily" anyways to have lets say echo theme installed and justttt for the finger keyboard have like another theme .. like a mixture almost.. but just for finger keyboard May 27 08:14:28 * rmt_ modified his image viewer to load images from zipfiles, thereby replacing comix on his 810.. http://trac.corporatism.org/browser for source May 27 08:14:52 rmt_, hey cool :) May 27 08:15:03 zakkm, you'd probably want to make a new custom theme, but I think that's possible May 27 08:15:30 johnxx: im wondering if theres seperate entries for finger keyboard and the rest of the gtk theme in gtkrc May 27 08:15:49 rmt_: Ever tried the Maemo port of cbrpager? It's in C, unlike Comix which is in python, which made it a ton faster than Comix May 27 08:15:51 or does fingerkeyboard read a certain part of the gtkrc May 27 08:15:53 it might just be image files May 27 08:16:01 cbrpages is slow? at least for me May 27 08:16:32 qwerty12, Might be good. Mine pipe's unzip, due to buggy VAPI bindings with libgsf May 27 08:17:05 zakkm: there are image files and there are gtkrc entries. Some things (like the font used to display the text displayed) is hardcoded in the hildon input method plugin May 27 08:17:14 s/displayed/typed/ May 27 08:17:15 qwerty12 meant: zakkm: there are image files and there are gtkrc entries. Some things (like the font used to display the text typed) is hardcoded in the hildon input method plugin May 27 08:17:24 not font May 27 08:17:40 i like the felica? nice black background white when pressed... finger keyboard May 27 08:17:49 but i love the echo everything else ( outside finger keyboard ) May 27 08:17:50 qwerty12: could you implement movable-dialogs in Mer theme-changer? May 27 08:18:01 so i sort of wanted echo + "felica finger keyboard theme" May 27 08:18:06 Meiz_n810: Sorry, I don't touch it anymore May 27 08:18:17 k May 27 08:18:18 It's all open for anyone who does wish to May 27 08:18:48 qwerty12, don't touch mer or theme changer? May 27 08:19:22 johnxx, in true honesty, both May 27 08:19:37 real life keeping you busy? May 27 08:20:34 Yeah.. chatting is easy but packaging (and coding like shit) takes a little more time :) May 27 08:21:36 I know the feeling :) May 27 08:21:48 oh how I know the feeling May 27 08:24:02 yeah, and as i just said in #mer, mer is a volunteer effort not a sect, people can come and go if they want - but we're thankful of all contributions done while in :) May 27 08:24:53 * Stskeeps passes qwerty12 a cookie May 27 08:25:08 Thanks :) May 27 08:25:28 I think we owe you a lot more than a cookie :) May 27 08:25:28 qwerty12: when trying to install module with cpan shell, it will crash and create core file May 27 08:25:39 using file, the content is: core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'qemu-arm-cvs-m' May 27 08:25:46 funny, ./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=~/maemo/usr #works just great May 27 08:25:57 qwerty12, when will you get out towards one of us? or do we have to crash your house to buy you a drink? May 27 08:26:35 Passeli: No idea, sorry, I've had scratchbox segfault even when pasting long commands into it >.< May 27 08:26:51 * Stskeeps hugs obs May 27 08:27:02 johnxx: Considering I'm not of legal age to buy a drink in this country, the second option may not work out well for you :P May 27 08:28:39 qwerty12, I've fled countries before, it's just not as big a deal after the first couple times, so don't sweat it on my account May 27 08:29:19 haha May 27 08:29:49 On tmo's birthday session, I misread you as having your 64th birthday :P May 27 08:29:53 *section May 27 08:31:21 huh? me? May 27 08:31:34 you make me feel old, but I'm not that old yet :P May 27 08:31:56 Lol, yeah, it said johnf :P May 27 08:32:30 aaah May 27 08:33:24 I hope that's not one of your stolen identities that you've obtained by leaving countries :) May 27 08:34:30 well, that'd be tellin' :) May 27 08:34:32 'night May 27 08:34:56 hehe, g'night May 27 08:38:49 qwerty12, Hmm, it seems a bit slow loading the next image, though. May 27 08:39:40 Maybe it re-reads the filelist every time.. May 27 08:39:54 Ah, fair enough. I would classify it as an improvement over Comix but I haven't seen your viewer yet. :) May 27 08:40:22 the downside of mine is that it requires a newer gtk .. and it was really designed for fullscreen mode only w/o scrolling.. May 27 08:40:48 I guess adding a file load dialog wouldn't be hard, though.. and possibly switching away from using libgee. May 27 08:40:57 (to make it run on diablo) May 27 08:41:26 That reminds me, I need to reinstall that patched libgtk with wrap-around menus. I reflashed and I hate the fact that I can't press up when at the first item in a menu to go to the last May 27 08:46:24 is it possible to change the username to something other than 'user'? May 27 08:48:12 install Mer May 27 08:48:21 or "no, apps expect the username to be user" May 27 08:48:28 given that dbus expects the root user to be named root May 27 08:48:36 do you really expect better? :( May 27 08:48:38 * timeless_mbp kicks dbus May 27 08:49:12 someone disabled the 'root' account on my ubuntu box yesterday and the next time i booted, i couldn't move my mouse or use the keyboard from gdm May 27 08:49:13 does it really matter? May 27 08:49:44 tonyyarusso: the only place where it matters that i can think of is ssh, and you can use .ssh/config to change the outbound username May 27 08:49:52 timeless_mbp: how do you disable root? May 27 08:50:11 zakkm: dunno, it happened, i don't log all actions taken by me/agents on my behalf May 27 08:50:17 timeless_mbp: good point - ssh was the main thing I was thinking of. May 27 08:50:24 the userid was changed from 0 to -1 May 27 08:50:30 ah May 27 08:50:33 if you're asking what technically happened to /etc/passwd May 27 08:50:39 yeah May 27 08:50:44 i didnt think of that May 27 08:50:58 i later put in a toor:0 account to chase the problem down May 27 08:51:36 and eventually mzz (who people can meet this weekend!) figured out how dbus decided to be "special" May 27 08:52:32 disabling root with changing userid to -1 is insane. just lock the account? :P May 27 08:53:38 i didn't do it intentionally May 27 08:53:43 i have no idea which thing did it May 27 08:53:53 believe me, i'll thwap the offender if/when i find him/her May 27 09:00:30 does usb driver effect usb port voltage? May 27 09:01:05 a driver cant change voltage can it? May 27 09:01:16 thux: ^ May 27 09:02:43 strange May 27 09:03:12 can it? May 27 09:04:11 good morning May 27 09:04:48 i got usb stick dvb and it needs usb hub with linux but not with vista :p May 27 09:05:57 i thought it could be voltage matter May 27 09:06:15 thux: In relation to the tablet: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=154920&postcount=30 May 27 09:06:19 zakkm: afaiu, usb requires hosts to change the voltage to fit valid requests of clients May 27 09:07:34 thats not driver though is it May 27 09:08:08 timeless_mbp: your wording confuses me a bit, thats more device changing it depending on what it needs, not the computer driver changing voltage May 27 09:09:32 like in windows.. and i install nvidia driver... the nvidia driver cant suddenly be all virus'y on me and start my videocard to overvoltage and break May 27 09:09:48 could it? May 27 09:10:03 and it couldn't be os matter either i suppose? May 27 09:10:55 the way i thought it was is like the nokia wants 1.3v lets say to charge it... you plug it in .. the thing sees it wants 1.3v .. it gives it 1.3v May 27 09:10:58 http://www.usb.org/developers/usbfaq/ May 27 09:11:09 the USB-IF strongly recommends this soft start circuit be designed such that the device's current draw doesn't exceed the MaxPower specified in the device's configuration descriptor. May 27 09:11:22 zakkm: Why not? Overclocking programs use their own drivers to overclock things and Microsoft seems to push signed drivers a lot. May 27 09:11:23 zakkm: keep in mind that i'm a software dev, i know nothing about hardware May 27 09:11:29 otoh, i can pretend to read documents May 27 09:12:01 i'm going to assume that the "device's configuration descriptor" is something that one can read dynamically and isn't just something printed in a manual May 27 09:12:48 based on the way that section is written, it seems like power is vaguely dynamic and at least hypothetically controllable in software May 27 09:13:18 damn i thought i could just edit ehci_hcd to crank up more voltage to ubuntu May 27 09:13:22 qwerty12: so that means oyu could theorically make a program and when ran , it would start to break every hardware mostly, cause it overclocks it to such extreme May 27 09:13:37 thux: note that i'm only looking at things from a theoretical perspective May 27 09:13:44 i know nothing about hardware :) May 27 09:13:52 theoretically you can blow up your tablet if you fiddle with BME May 27 09:13:53 :P May 27 09:14:03 yeah, so "don't do that!" May 27 09:14:07 qwerty12: overclocking software relies on motherboard support though, i overclock my desktop currently(did through bios) May 27 09:14:22 Stskeeps: would make a good danish weekend finale :) May 27 09:14:30 BOOM! May 27 09:14:47 zakkm: i already lost one tablet to development and harsh treatment. :P May 27 09:15:08 or starting rather.. whos needs a starting gun, just need a tablet and some tech skill :) May 27 09:15:55 Stskeeps: Only one? :) May 27 09:16:14 so far May 27 09:16:24 Stskeeps: Mine is probably dying too... the screen went all fuzzy on me once and it kept doing that everytime I switched it on at the Nokia logo that NOLO displays. Until I started it up with the charger in... May 27 09:18:01 qwerty12: yeah.. i had that with macer's too May 27 09:18:47 * Stskeeps sits down and writes the big todo of danish weekend May 27 09:18:51 (as in, my todo) May 27 09:19:52 X-Fade: btw, is nokia-binaries token system entirely maemo.org based? May 27 09:19:59 Quite a nice bunch there. May 27 09:20:15 Stskeeps: What do you mean? May 27 09:20:20 (read: do you have the code if we were to use it for similar situations) May 27 09:20:38 the system where you agree to a EULA and you get an apt source :) May 27 09:20:47 Stskeeps: Marcell wrote it, I guess I can get that for you. (He will be in CPH too btw) May 27 09:21:37 i plan to sit down with you, jeremiah, marcell, qgil and see if we can work something out regarding HW support binaries for N8x0 - the token idea will work just fine May 27 09:21:42 Stskeeps: We'll need to have a meeting planned there too. So we can see what you guys would need from us. May 27 09:21:46 yeah May 27 09:21:51 Indeed May 27 09:22:06 so far i have the token system and OBS talks May 27 09:22:29 repository hosting? May 27 09:22:51 pushing community updates in diablo as SSU? :) May 27 09:22:53 i'm not even sure we need repository hosting, unless we make a obs instance for maemo.org in the longer term May 27 09:23:07 mmm. maybe, i'm not really in that area (i gave up on diablo entirely) May 27 09:23:21 Stskeeps: Push community replacement ;) May 27 09:23:25 i'll gladly give me input though May 27 09:23:38 my May 27 09:24:28 bbl lunch though May 27 09:28:07 there really aren't too many original wii games May 27 09:28:15 they all seem to kind of suck minus the real big name games May 27 09:28:19 mostly all the 3rd party games suck May 27 09:46:55 * lcuk_bacon puts 10p in the chan May 27 09:47:35 lcuk_bacon: Just to get it going again? May 27 09:47:52 yeah May 27 09:48:12 * lcuk_bacon should check how his bug report is goin May 27 09:48:42 X-Fade: ping May 27 09:48:44 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ May 27 09:49:05 hover over " Daniel Gentleman" in firefox May 27 09:49:06 timeless_mbp: What's wrong? May 27 09:49:19 Ah, space in link? May 27 09:49:21 yep May 27 09:49:26 XXX Please Fix Me May 27 09:49:35 :) will do.. let me see. May 27 09:50:34 * Stskeeps yawns May 27 09:51:35 me sighs May 27 09:51:54 reading talk v. his article is like night and day May 27 09:52:36 * timeless_mbp sighs May 27 10:00:26 timeless_mbp: which article, hes posted a few last couple of days May 27 10:00:52 actually, i think i'm wrong about the author May 27 10:01:08 i agree, the one from jamie was better May 27 10:01:34 hm how annoying May 27 10:01:48 installed rtcomm May 27 10:01:53 still cant access my msn account May 27 10:01:55 but i can in pidgin May 27 10:02:44 * timeless_mbp ponders May 27 10:02:48 how is that "annoying"? May 27 10:02:54 wjt: so, like, haze right? :) May 27 10:04:38 pidgin vs rtcomm which one use more memory? May 27 10:04:51 * wjt explodes May 27 10:05:05 timeless_mbp, because it isn't working :( May 27 10:05:07 amr: sorry :( May 27 10:05:15 sorry why? May 27 10:05:29 amr: i haven't updated haze or libpurple lately, hence msn doesn't work any more May 27 10:05:33 oh May 27 10:05:33 :( May 27 10:06:00 * Myrtti gives wjt a cookie May 27 10:06:02 ill paypal you 5 of my great british pounds to fix it May 27 10:06:06 and possibly a cookie May 27 10:06:06 plz fixxor itz? May 27 10:06:13 our keen debian packaging minion is away this month doing exams May 27 10:06:18 otherwise we could get him to do it May 27 10:06:24 lol May 27 10:06:41 right. let's actually email the libpurple packager ... May 27 10:07:11 hm, apparently i need to reboot May 27 10:07:18 brb my dears May 27 10:08:04 hey, we can send amr to hunt jonny down and get him to do the packages! :) May 27 10:11:52 timeless_mbp: Should be better now. May 27 10:12:00 :)( May 27 10:18:39 * lcuk_bacon hates mibbit May 27 10:36:37 the wii saga continues May 27 10:36:48 johnxx: you got mer working on the wii? May 27 10:37:40 Wii Linux currently does not support the Wii's built-in WiFi, even though the drivers for this device are built into the Linux kernel. May 27 10:37:46 was wondering if you got the internal wifi to work in mer May 27 10:39:03 think he's asleep May 27 10:39:13 he used ethernet on usb i think May 27 10:43:12 > Last edited by Peter@Maemo Marketing; Today at 03:11 AM. May 27 10:43:24 what the heck was peter doing awake @3am? May 27 10:43:42 timeless_mbp: 3am us timezone? May 27 10:43:47 which post got him out of his slumber May 27 10:43:56 timeless_mbp: browsing Talk, obviously May 27 10:43:56 :P May 27 10:43:56 * lcuk has vnc now again May 27 10:44:03 X-Fade: why the heck would t.m.o be in a us time zone? May 27 10:44:12 isn't *.m.o in .eu/.fi? May 27 10:44:22 timeless_mbp: talk is in us. May 27 10:44:34 is there a bug about it not localizing timestamps? May 27 10:44:47 there's a setting in your control panel May 27 10:44:49 for it, afaik May 27 10:44:50 But it should show your in timezone. May 27 10:45:21 Scroll down to the bottom of the page to check. May 27 10:45:39 All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:39 AM. May 27 10:45:42 or go and see peter and see if hes holding eyes open with matchsticks May 27 10:45:56 * timeless_mbp grumbles May 27 10:46:01 could someone please fix talk? May 27 10:46:03 timeless_mbp: Set your timezone, it says GMT+2 for me. May 27 10:46:06 06:39 AM is not a valid time May 27 10:46:09 the 0 doesn't belong May 27 10:46:21 didn't they learn *anything* from the end user complaints about the tablets? :) May 27 10:46:48 X-Fade: um... is this account connected to garage/wiki? May 27 10:47:48 no May 27 10:48:08 ... May 27 10:48:24 can't be bothered May 27 10:48:32 contact me when it's integrated May 27 10:48:50 when sso is made :) May 27 10:48:51 ok, i finished just in time to get lunch May 27 10:48:53 SSO is being organised isnt it May 27 10:50:40 Stskeeps: ah ok. i see May 27 10:50:47 i'm guessing it worked? May 27 10:50:53 i wanted to port gentoo over to it May 27 10:50:58 or ppc debian May 27 10:51:21 i was a little curious if he was able to mount wbfs also May 27 10:51:30 would be nice to be able to do stuff like that on the wii May 27 10:51:36 maybe even run hellanzb on it May 27 10:53:09 Macer: feel free to build http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=146731 for it ;) May 27 10:54:34 fuse huh? May 27 10:54:35 moo all May 27 10:54:37 how unnative :) May 27 10:55:00 moo RST38h May 27 10:55:35 qwerty12: have you tried it? May 27 10:55:56 on the wii itself? :) May 27 10:56:11 macer, does the wii support xv May 27 10:56:12 Nope, I haven't tried Linux for it, I use the XBOX for that :) May 27 10:56:12 i think i am going to try to install gentoo on it if it's at all possible May 27 10:56:26 lcuk: i have no idea. i haven't even tried yet May 27 10:56:36 ahhh right May 27 10:56:38 the wii distro looks very unpromising... when johnxx pops up May 27 10:56:42 i will ask him how mer is on it :) May 27 10:56:44 * lcuk would like to see liqbase on it one day :) May 27 10:56:57 you know May 27 10:57:00 really i would just like to be able to download games straight to it May 27 10:57:10 someone mentioned about using the new nokia as a wiimote May 27 10:57:14 i have a 400G wbfs hooked up to it now May 27 10:57:19 i thought it would be inpractical May 27 10:57:24 but it could do *more* than a mote May 27 10:57:27 yeah that would be a little aswkard May 27 10:57:31 cos of the touchpanel under thumb May 27 10:57:40 i hate the wiimote May 27 10:57:47 * lcuk likes it May 27 10:57:47 especially the c button on the nunchuck May 27 10:57:54 could be worse May 27 10:58:00 something about using 2 fingers on the left hand that just throws it off May 27 10:58:05 ours are mostly stuck in steering wheels lol May 27 10:58:08 can I haz a nap? plz May 27 10:58:09 * lcuk loves disneys cars May 27 10:58:14 Macer: just buy a classic game pad for it May 27 10:58:20 RST38h: i was thinking about doing that May 27 10:58:20 i help jake to get all the bonuses :) May 27 10:58:22 * RST38h puts Myrtti to sleep May 27 10:58:26 RST38h: is it wired? May 27 10:58:33 Classic Controller sucks; get the gamecube controller instead May 27 10:58:43 Macer: Classic controller connects to wiimote May 27 10:58:44 Macer: Afaik, it sits on the wiimote May 27 10:58:49 oh May 27 10:58:56 Gamecube controller comes in a wireless form called Wavebird May 27 10:58:58 i hated the gc controller more than the wiimote :) May 27 10:59:20 well. the gc ports were just usb ports right? May 27 10:59:31 i know the wii uses the usb for its bt May 27 10:59:31 But with homebrew, it's much more supported than the classic controller is. And, normally, it does more iirc May 27 10:59:50 qwerty12: what is the classic remote basted on ? May 27 11:00:00 isn't it just like a ps3 controller with a couple less buttons? May 27 11:00:34 i tried playing samurai showdown with the wiimote and almost threw it because it was so crappy to use May 27 11:00:53 mario kart isn't too bad May 27 11:01:07 Mario kart is awesome with a nunchuk May 27 11:01:18 yeah :) it's all about the manual drifting May 27 11:01:19 haha May 27 11:01:20 I hate playing with a wheel; so much less control May 27 11:01:24 yep :) May 27 11:01:37 you get a boost by manual drifting. that was pretty awesome May 27 11:01:51 i don't see how you can play the harder levels in automatic May 27 11:01:51 I haz unlimited star cheat :P May 27 11:01:57 oh that's just wrong May 27 11:02:16 i haven't even tried using the cheat engine on it May 27 11:02:31 what do they call it.. ocarania or something? May 27 11:02:35 Yep, Ocarina May 27 11:02:48 i was more interested in using coverfloader May 27 11:02:51 awesome usb loader :) May 27 11:02:54 I use Gecko OS to load cheats up for games I burned and Loadstructor for games on a USB May 27 11:03:04 Loadstructor is my favourite as it just makes channels May 27 11:03:26 they have an app that makes channels for games and lets you usb load them from the channel May 27 11:03:30 makes wads to install May 27 11:03:37 thought that was pretty interesting May 27 11:03:40 Yep: http://clusterrr.com/Loadstructor.html May 27 11:03:46 but coverfloader is great May 27 11:04:00 has a 3d interface and downloads the covers automatically May 27 11:04:12 That's how I used to load my games until I just burnt them and got back to using my SD card back in the Nokia again :) May 27 11:04:15 the normal usb loader looks like something from the neorageX era May 27 11:04:50 well. i was going to try the linux distro they have for it but it looks like it totally sucks and serves no purpose :) May 27 11:05:09 so i want to see how johnxx got mer going on it and if i could use apt May 27 11:05:17 i figure it would just use ppc repos May 27 11:05:29 the wii is just a G4 with an arm for io May 27 11:05:57 I hate the IOS system personally May 27 11:06:13 haha May 27 11:06:25 i was looking for different ios versions for a while one day May 27 11:06:35 i thought bootmii was cool May 27 11:06:46 can backup the nand in case you do something wrong to it and just restore it May 27 11:07:02 Heh, my one is too shi^H^H^Hnew and I can only install it as IOS - not as boot2 May 27 11:07:11 oh May 27 11:07:14 that sucks May 27 11:07:35 doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? May 27 11:07:41 :) May 27 11:08:06 if it can't boot the nand then won't you be kind of screwed if you wanted to restore? May 27 11:08:16 Yeah, its stated that it's for running programs that use Team Twizzers's MINI May 27 11:08:18 Yeah... May 27 11:08:43 what's mini. some sort of hax0red wii kernel? May 27 11:09:22 i just wish i could run an ftp daemon that mounted the wbfs drive May 27 11:09:39 ftpii doesn't work with the sd for some reason. i am guessing because it lacks sdhc support and i moved up to a 4G May 27 11:10:05 It's their thing for running programs that don't use the IOS system - thereby gaining control of the entire hardware before Nintendo can do anything May 27 11:10:11 Hmm.. to get the drag-scrollable area in Gtk, you have to make use of hildon-scroll-area, or it's a gtk thing in general? May 27 11:10:27 qwerty12: ah. i see. May 27 11:10:51 i looked at the older way you had to hack it and using zelda seems like it would have been a pain May 27 11:11:01 the bannerbomb stuff i used took like 30 secs :) May 27 11:11:17 and works with 4.0 May 27 11:11:25 Yep, used bannerbomb and downgraded to 3.2. Then upgraded to 4.0 using Waninkoko's stuff and trucha signed the IOSes :) May 27 11:11:27 i'm still cracking up at overkill's intro May 27 11:11:57 "he'll cut your balls" "i will cut your motha fuckin balls off" May 27 11:12:08 that shit was a riot May 27 11:12:49 ah well. i'm going to try out madworld again May 27 11:12:54 i still can't get it to run May 27 11:13:02 gives me a green screen and freezes the wii May 27 11:13:23 i tried every ios out there :) i'm hoping it was because i didn't use the vid patch May 27 11:13:30 some games needed the patch to run May 27 11:14:01 Heh. I'm using cioscorp so my IOSes are old as shit :( May 27 11:14:17 what ver? May 27 11:14:27 i just installed cios v10 a little while ago May 27 11:14:30 hoping that would fix it :) May 27 11:14:36 just get the v10 installer May 27 11:15:00 Oh, cios rev10. Cioscorp is something that replaces the DIP in all the other IOSes to let you load up backups from the disc channel May 27 11:15:05 well. i'm on my last 2 downloads. i think i'm up to 70 games May 27 11:15:33 why not just use the backup channel? May 27 11:15:44 I'm lazy :) May 27 11:15:48 haha May 27 11:16:09 the 4.0 soft pack has it included :) May 27 11:16:34 it took me a little while to figure all the stuff out because i've never done it and i had a bit of a learning curve as to how it worked May 27 11:16:37 I did everything myself, I don't like using packs - I prefer to know what I'm applying :) May 27 11:16:52 the pack only installs 3 things.. well.. 2 really May 27 11:17:14 bootmii... and the different ioses that you need May 27 11:17:25 I have to try that one too May 27 11:17:31 all it is is a collection May 27 11:17:42 currently I'm also using cios rev9 + backup channel, thanks :) May 27 11:17:44 the methods are the same.. they just packaged the wads for you May 27 11:17:50 Ah, cool May 27 11:18:03 Summeli: use a usb hd and a usb loader ;) May 27 11:18:16 it's great. no disc burning or switching May 27 11:18:19 I'm waiting on Softcorp so I can use the latest IOSes with the backup DIP May 27 11:18:45 qwerty12: doesn't the backup channel do that same exact thing? May 27 11:19:04 i don't know. messing with the stock disc channel sounds scary May 27 11:19:19 Yeah, backup channel doesn't require it but it all comes back up my laziness - I like to load my burnt CDs from the disc channel :) May 27 11:19:32 lol May 27 11:19:39 does it let you force regions? May 27 11:19:54 i kept running into pal/ntsc problems May 27 11:19:55 No :(, I have to go through a channel for that May 27 11:20:10 it is kind of a pain to load usbfloader from homebrew May 27 11:20:15 wish i could add it as a channel but don't know how May 27 11:20:30 instead of having to load home brew then go into usbfloader May 27 11:20:35 er.. coverfloader May 27 11:20:53 i'll probably look into it later May 27 11:21:04 doing it that way would be totally awesome :) May 27 11:21:19 Hasn't no one done it yet? I used to have the original usb loader as a channel until I replaced it with Uniiloader (plain, borning loader but as a channel, it works well in an emergency :)) May 27 11:21:27 *boring May 27 11:21:35 i don't know May 27 11:21:40 i just got it working yesterday :) May 27 11:21:45 didn't think about it at the time May 27 11:21:56 i still need to mess with teh bootmii ini so i can set a timer on the boot screen May 27 11:22:13 i have to keep getting up and hitting reset every time i want the damn thing to start up May 27 11:22:20 It supports a timer? All my INI has is just straight autoboot options May 27 11:22:42 i think if you set the autoboot it will default to a 5sec timer May 27 11:22:45 But, as I have it installed an IOS, it doesn't make a difference I guess May 27 11:22:46 Ah May 27 11:23:11 it's messing with my life :) i hate it that i have to sit there and hit the reset button May 27 11:23:24 and to fix it i have to pull the sd.. edit it.. and put it back May 27 11:23:28 You can use a gamecube controller with it :P May 27 11:23:39 i would have to dig one up May 27 11:23:46 i don't even remember wher ei pub my gc controllers May 27 11:23:57 but those are wired anyways and short.. i'd still have to get up to do it May 27 11:24:17 when i get a chance i will just set the autoboot May 27 11:24:52 Wavebird is still pretty expensive here, costs about the same as a Wiimote >.< May 27 11:24:55 i'm waiting on a couple more downloads then i'm copying this last batch of games over and then making things a little more perm May 27 11:25:10 what's a wavebird? May 27 11:25:17 Wireless gamecube controller May 27 11:25:23 oh May 27 11:25:37 does it use an ir that you plug into the controller port? May 27 11:25:43 yeah May 27 11:25:51 that sounds pretty good May 27 11:25:58 although it would look ugly keeping the top open May 27 11:26:15 or do you rip the cover off and replace it with the ir? May 27 11:26:16 :) May 27 11:26:19 Yeah, they should have just made that white - they made the cover removable ffs May 27 11:27:05 figured they could have just made the ir the same size of the cover May 27 11:27:14 something that you could replace and that would just go into all 4 ports May 27 11:27:38 well. the gc ports are just usb ports right? May 27 11:28:12 just a proprietary port shape May 27 11:28:31 ah well.. i'm going to play a game and go to sleep. :) May 27 11:28:40 ttyl.. still playing punch out haha May 27 11:28:58 Reading Yet Another Gamecube Documentation, they seem proprietary :) May 27 11:29:03 Heh, have fun :P May 27 11:30:06 later on today when i wake up May 27 11:30:15 you want to try this mario kart against each other? :) May 27 11:30:23 want to see how good the wii does the whole internet playing crap May 27 11:30:53 Heh, I have to GTFO my computer :) May 27 11:31:10 Another time though :P May 27 11:31:19 i said later ;) May 27 11:31:27 haha.. .cool. if you ever find the time May 27 11:31:33 never used a console for internet play before May 27 11:31:48 ttyl ;) May 27 11:35:32 what are "potato croquettes" May 27 11:36:34 they're ok May 27 11:38:17 lol May 27 11:38:26 doesnt help me know what they are May 27 11:38:43 * lcuk cant open google :P May 27 11:39:32 (deep?) fried mashed potato with stuff in it May 27 11:39:55 sometimes cheese, that goes well May 27 11:40:06 mmm sounds lovely May 27 11:40:20 they can be pretty yummy May 27 11:40:23 so they are like posh waffles? May 27 11:40:46 not really May 27 11:40:50 (this is a really good topic for dinnertime) May 27 11:41:00 toastie pockets :D May 27 11:41:01 more like little balls of fried potato :) May 27 11:41:43 cool, so my missus will enjoy eating her balls then May 27 11:41:45 * lcuk winces May 27 11:41:46 dinnertime? what part of the world are you in? May 27 11:41:50 england May 27 11:42:11 if it's dinner time there, the sun is broken May 27 11:42:39 12-1 == dinner time, has been since i was a little kid May 27 11:42:41 it is: it's all wet in London May 27 11:42:53 tea time is 5-6pm (or later depending on factors outside my control) May 27 11:43:20 ah of course .. european dinner time :) May 27 11:43:42 aspect, where are you May 27 11:43:55 australia May 27 11:44:08 I had dinner just a few hours ago :) May 27 11:44:29 and lunch a while before that May 27 11:45:00 cool, not many aus users in here usually. May 27 12:17:33 lcuk, I'm an Aussie! May 27 12:17:39 Not in Oz, but I'm an Aussie. :) May 27 12:18:01 rmt_, then you dont count May 27 12:18:10 unless you are bringing kylie to me May 27 12:19:26 She's too short. May 27 12:20:35 who is kylie? May 27 12:21:04 Minogue, I presume he's referring to. May 27 12:21:11 And she's probably in London, anyway. May 27 12:21:18 shes not too short for what i've got in mind May 27 12:21:30 Placing a beer atop her head? May 27 12:21:30 * lcuk whistles quietly May 27 12:21:36 :D yeah May 27 12:23:36 i would place a beer ontop of her head all night long :) May 27 12:23:50 many many beers until i was exhausted May 27 12:23:55 :D May 27 12:23:57 lol cyas later May 27 12:27:01 Ah May 27 12:46:19 lbt: ping May 27 12:50:09 fiferboy: ack May 27 12:50:32 lbt: acknowledged or frustrated noise? May 27 12:50:49 acknowledged :) May 27 12:51:13 compiled up last nigh May 27 12:51:14 t May 27 12:51:22 made a few changes May 27 12:51:34 moved the API to d-> May 27 12:51:56 and triggered everything by DynamicPropertyChange Events May 27 12:53:51 lbt: Awesome. Can you send me the source files? May 27 12:58:51 sure May 27 13:19:45 lbt: Did you rearrange FingerScrollBars at all? May 27 13:19:58 yes May 27 13:20:01 err May 27 13:20:05 the functions May 27 13:20:11 not the appearance May 27 13:20:27 I only glanced at it at around 2am May 27 13:20:29 :) May 27 13:22:54 :O May 27 13:37:50 heya everybody May 27 13:40:59 hey wazd May 27 13:41:58 hey wazd May 27 13:42:21 lbt: Have you sent the files? May 27 13:42:43 hi wazd May 27 13:44:18 hmm, im getting errors installing scratchbox May 27 13:44:40 Setting up scratchbox-core (1.0.11) ... May 27 13:44:40 dpkg: error processing scratchbox-core (--configure): May 27 13:44:44 and then everything else fails May 27 13:44:55 /var/lib/dpkg/info/scratchbox-core.postinst: 92: /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_configure: not found May 27 13:45:01 * fiferboy is installing Mer May 27 13:46:07 hmms May 27 13:53:40 lbt: Have you put in any Mer flags (Q_OS_MER?) in the Mer Qt build? May 27 13:53:50 not yet May 27 13:54:08 also, just sorting out the files May 27 13:54:13 Gotcha May 27 14:03:12 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merphone.png May 27 14:03:13 :> May 27 14:04:00 Where is ">call 555-5555 " ? =) May 27 14:04:20 hehe May 27 14:04:24 look at Hardware ;) May 27 14:11:31 wazd, can't believe I fell for the rick'rolling May 27 14:11:36 should be used to it by now May 27 14:11:38 lol May 27 14:12:13 :) May 27 14:25:33 mobile application optimization - share your tips :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29193 May 27 14:25:35 Has anyone got gdb working in scratchbox 2 at all? May 27 14:28:05 lcuk: -6.75 glasses for the tiny 3.5" screen? ;-) May 27 14:30:38 lcuk: nice post! May 27 14:30:39 * Stskeeps ponders if dabbling in powerlaunch will be good for his sanity May 27 14:30:54 lcuk: principles of optimization are nly partically the same May 27 14:33:48 ' WARNING: due to user now being listed in lifeguard.uids, lifeguard May 27 14:33:48 will do a reset in case of a user-started client respawning too fast May 27 14:33:48 ' May 27 14:33:50 oh boy May 27 14:43:47 RST38h, thats exactly what i say May 27 14:43:59 danielwilms, thanks, thats what i attempted to get over a couple of weeks ago May 27 14:44:30 and jaffa :P we need telephoto upgrades to our eyes May 27 14:46:44 actually, misread you there rst - they are universal May 27 14:47:17 ive used much the same techniques getting liqbase fast here as I started on the amiga May 27 14:47:51 and i do the same in visual basic on windows (there the optimization is for a different reason but same effect) May 27 14:50:16 hola May 27 14:50:51 hi May 27 14:52:41 how to run application binaries built on sbox_DIABLO_ARMEL on the device .I tried with run-standalone.sh ./myapp but nothing comes up May 27 14:52:52 any Idea? :) May 27 14:53:35 have you tried just actually running the binary May 27 14:54:02 and i assume you have copied it across and are running from an executable location May 27 14:54:11 (ie not mmc1/2 by default) May 27 14:54:29 i was trying from mmc2 May 27 14:54:44 so where should i try from May 27 14:55:30 lcuk:i mean where should i copy the binaries ? May 27 14:59:34 sanjay6976, home directory May 27 14:59:49 sanjay6976, mmc1/mmc2 are vfat, and have noexec set by default. May 27 14:59:58 (which means that binaries may not be run from them) May 27 15:00:05 (it's a security feature) May 27 15:01:51 where will be the executable location May 27 15:02:10 k May 27 15:02:51 /home/user - I usually create a $HOME/bin wherever I am, and put my own binaries and scripts in there. May 27 15:02:59 Has anyone got breakpoints in main() working in scratchbox2? May 27 15:03:37 one more question can i take the source and run make on my device? May 27 15:04:04 yes. May 27 15:04:05 sanjay6976, No.. you can install the necessary build tools on it, but it's very very slow.. it's really not worth it May 27 15:04:21 that is still yes though May 27 15:04:38 It's yes after he installs the dependencies, no beforehand. May 27 15:04:46 I'm wondering whether the new ARM's would be good build devices.. May 27 15:05:09 Considering getting a beagleboard. Same ops? May 27 15:08:42 can you tell what is the make tool that i can use because i need make for my application May 27 15:09:32 sanjay6976: say, what? May 27 15:10:23 lbt: Got your changes. Compiling now May 27 15:10:42 if i give "make" it says command not found May 27 15:11:07 ah, your application uses make and when you copy it to the device, there is no make May 27 15:11:17 ? May 27 15:11:29 lbt:yes May 27 15:11:44 you need to install it... May 27 15:11:58 as root try: apt-get install make May 27 15:12:24 * lbt is in Mer where that will work... not sure about Diablo May 27 15:12:52 thanks May 27 15:19:30 run-standalone.sh ./myapp is giving me "illegal instruction" May 27 15:22:03 sanjay6976: chmod +x myapp May 27 15:23:45 still its giving me "illegal instruction" May 27 15:24:13 i have copied the executable to /home/user May 27 15:24:39 is compiled for ARMEL? May 27 15:24:47 is it ... May 27 15:24:50 yes May 27 15:25:34 sanjay6976: in scratchbox: file myapp May 27 15:25:52 Just to be sure it is not i386. May 27 15:26:42 yeah its complied on armel May 27 15:27:10 sanjay6976: Does file tell you that? May 27 15:29:56 x-Fade:sorry but didn't get you May 27 15:30:17 file tells me that means May 27 15:30:17 sanjay6976: Did 'file' confirm that it actually is an armel binary? May 27 15:30:51 i have compiled it in armel May 27 15:30:59 sanjay6976: there is a command called "file" ... it tells you information about a file. May 27 15:31:33 sanjay6976: I'm pretty sure that you compiled it in armel, but it actually didn't do that ;) May 27 15:32:06 sanjay6976: file is a utility that can examine any file and tell what it is. May 27 15:32:09 sanjay6976: In scratchbox you must type: file myapp May 27 15:34:10 its giving me ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped May 27 15:35:51 sanjay6976: That should be ok. May 27 15:36:48 sanjay6976: Does your app use any special libs? May 27 15:37:05 Has anyone got breakpoints in main() working in scratchbox2? May 27 15:37:25 coldboot, nope May 27 15:37:30 x-Fade:yeah its a qt application and it uses qt libs May 27 15:37:38 Does anyone here actually use scratchbox 2? May 27 15:37:53 coldboot, in opposition to? May 27 15:38:01 Scratchbox 1 May 27 15:38:11 coldboot, why would you use sb1? May 27 15:38:22 sanjay6976: and are they installed on the device? May 27 15:38:31 crashanddie: I'm sure you can think of a few answers on your own. May 27 15:38:34 yes May 27 15:39:01 does qtdemo or any other Qt app work? May 27 15:39:29 will check that May 27 15:40:18 coldboot, I don't like scratchbox, rather go with sb2 May 27 15:40:33 lbt: The latest changes for Fremantle i386 in Scratchbox give me a segfault on starting a Qt program May 27 15:41:48 coldboot, what issues do you get in sb2 when debugging? May 27 15:42:35 fiferboy:yes that's true the qmake-qt4 command itself is giviging me segmentation fault core dumped May 27 15:44:22 fiferboy: my Mer ones are fine but they're Diablo based May 27 15:44:47 lbt: I'm going to try a compile for Diablo ARMEL and see what is what May 27 15:45:23 yeah, I'm focused on Mer ATM ... can't keep track of too many OSes May 27 15:45:42 sanjay6976, just trace the coredump May 27 15:45:53 I intend to use the fremantle Qt on mer post CPH May 27 15:47:02 hello all ! May 27 15:47:23 crashanddie:how to trace that if you can tell a bit i don't know particular file that i need to see i mean log file or something May 27 15:47:25 crashanddie: It doesn't set breakpoints in main at all. May 27 15:47:36 I just posted to scratchbox-users about it this morning. May 27 15:48:05 http://www.mail-archive.com/scratchbox-users@lists.scratchbox.org/msg01124.html May 27 15:48:31 can i browse all the files and folders in maemo using file manager ? May 27 15:48:41 lbt: CPH? May 27 15:48:54 CPH baby! May 27 15:49:02 Yeah... May 27 15:49:03 sanjay6976, http://bloggerdigest.blogspot.com/2006/09/gnu-gdb-core-dump-debugging.html May 27 15:49:08 fiferboy: Copenhagen meeting May 27 15:49:19 X-Fade: Thanks. May 27 15:51:39 coldboot, hmm, interesting May 27 15:51:50 coldboot, sb2-prepare; b main; r May 27 15:51:58 X-Fade: thanks i will go through it and try] May 27 15:51:58 coldboot, or b main; sb2-prepare; r May 27 15:52:16 X-Fade:thanks :) May 27 15:52:48 X-Fade, you're stealing my karma :( May 27 15:52:55 can i browse all the files and folders in maemo using file manager ? May 27 15:53:06 crashanddie: I tried both individually, not in sequence. The message says to use sb2-prepare exclusively to set the breakpoint, it doesn't say to do `br main` afterwards. May 27 15:53:16 crashanddie: I'll try both ways, though. May 27 15:53:24 crashanddie: Huh? May 27 15:53:35 oDuda:yes u can on device May 27 15:53:43 coldboot, actually, it doesn't say that May 27 15:53:57 crashanddie: It implies that sb2-prepare will set the breakpoint. May 27 15:54:14 coldboot, true, badly worded, though, I don't know if what I said is going to work May 27 15:54:45 crashanddie: Regardless, `sb2-prepare; br main` and `br main; sb2-prepare` do nothing different. May 27 15:54:52 sanjay6976 thank you... os2008 and n800 only let me browse the main folders, like documents, videos, etc ... May 27 15:55:49 u need to install package usb-otg May 27 15:56:06 crashanddie: any ideas? May 27 15:56:18 crashanddie: Does it work on your system? May 27 15:56:48 coldboot, did you compile with -g? And have you tried putting bps through filename:line ? May 27 15:57:06 crashanddie: What's bps? May 27 15:57:07 coldboot, don't have sb installed at the moment, can't test May 27 15:57:10 coldboot, breakpoints May 27 15:57:24 coldboot, b main.c:60 May 27 15:57:36 crashanddie: Yeah I know, I'll try. May 27 15:58:24 coldboot, can you put breakpoints outside the main function? I remember doing some extensive debugging using sb2 so I'm quite surprised to hear this. Would you have the makefile? May 27 15:59:44 crashanddie: I've only got a main() function, the Makefile is just a default Makefile made by qmake. I just checked and it wasn't build with debug symbols. May 27 16:00:13 sanjay6976 thank you ! usb-otg in pc ? but maemo's file manager cannot be used for browse other folders ? May 27 16:01:27 <_zee> quick question on nokia n810 (there's a lot of confusing info online) I realize there is an expansion available for using regular sized sd, but is 8gb of micro (in a mini adapter)the max i can use? May 27 16:01:52 crashanddie: Even when compiled with -g, I can't sb2-prepare or set breakpoints by line number. May 27 16:02:44 _zee to me, maemo only used 112 MBytes of virtual memory... May 27 16:02:55 oDuda, WHOOOOOOSH May 27 16:03:16 _zee, you can't use regular sized SD on the n810, only mini-SD or smaller (micro-SD) May 27 16:03:18 _zee is that you was asking for ? May 27 16:03:30 ioDuda:f u install an usb icon comes up on the top bar of te desktop if u click on that u could get a USB UTG host mode May 27 16:03:52 <_zee> i'd like to put... uh many things [read: music/movies] on it May 27 16:04:01 <_zee> it says 8GB Max May 27 16:04:08 _zee, the n810 supports SDHC, so (using the proper adapter) you can put a microSD on it, with 16Gigs May 27 16:04:13 crashanddie: Can't set a breakpoint in any other arbitrary function that's not main(). May 27 16:04:15 _zee, and even 32gb when that comes out May 27 16:04:19 <_zee> awesome. May 27 16:04:46 _zee sorry, i was flying far ! hehe May 27 16:04:47 <_zee> but putting more than 8 of sdhc doesn't negatively affect battery life/functionality at all? May 27 16:04:49 <_zee> haha May 27 16:04:59 _zee, nope May 27 16:05:03 <_zee> great May 27 16:05:07 _zee, well, it will affect the battery May 27 16:05:14 _zee, in the way that you'll use it more because less bored May 27 16:06:40 <_zee> side question, (i'm somewhat of a linux newb), what is the accelerated education path from beginning linux/shell scripting to contributing to maemo? May 27 16:07:25 sanjay6976 - maemo never browses your own files at any folders ? May 27 16:08:12 coldboot, hang on, are you in armel target? May 27 16:08:22 i can't flash my N800, "To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image" May 27 16:08:27 how i solve this? May 27 16:09:15 crashanddie: No, i386 May 27 16:09:18 _zee, there's a bunch of different areas in which Maemo can be helped, coding is only one of them, and -- no offence -- we probably already have more than enough coders May 27 16:09:44 we do May 27 16:09:44 ? May 27 16:09:45 :P May 27 16:09:47 <_zee> haha May 27 16:09:51 oDuda:do you mean on internalmemory card? May 27 16:10:16 _zee: Many years of hard work, zee, many years. May 27 16:10:42 whats mmc1 and mmc2 ? May 27 16:10:43 _zee: To contribute to code, that is. May 27 16:10:54 amr: Multi-media card 1 and 2. May 27 16:10:58 well i got that :p May 27 16:11:05 amr: There are two sdcards stuck in the nokia n810 May 27 16:11:06 theres only one card on the n810! May 27 16:11:13 oh are there?! May 27 16:11:16 amr: Yeah there's two. May 27 16:11:21 coldboot, I s'pose you read this? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/sdk-plus-debugging-guide.html May 27 16:11:31 ones at the bottom, is the other internal or something? May 27 16:11:43 amr, one is not-removable May 27 16:11:47 ah May 27 16:11:47 amr: One is brilliantly sized at 256mb, not annoying at all. May 27 16:11:56 coldboot, no it's not May 27 16:11:56 lol May 27 16:12:16 coldboot, one is sized at 2GB, the other one is empty May 27 16:12:23 you're referring to the internal root partition May 27 16:12:29 Yeah May 27 16:12:33 It fills up eventually. May 27 16:13:20 mmc2 is apparently 1.9GB and mmc1 is apparently 971.1MB May 27 16:13:48 sanjay6976: oDuda:do you mean on internalmemory card? -->> yes ! on main internal memory too... May 27 16:14:02 amr, mmc1 is the card you pushed in your n810 May 27 16:14:10 crashanddie: Thanks, I'll read the debugging guide. May 27 16:14:11 amr, so that would be correct if you put a 1GB card in there May 27 16:14:15 yep May 27 16:14:17 sanjay6976 all the folders that maemo have ! May 27 16:14:18 makes sense May 27 16:14:19 ty May 27 16:14:37 oDuda:yeah i am able to browse that May 27 16:14:40 coldboot, ywnp May 27 16:15:20 oDuda, how about you explain your issue from the start? May 27 16:15:35 oDuda, there's a lot of noise in this channel, sum up your issue in one or two lines May 27 16:15:38 oDuda, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit May 27 16:16:04 I guess that answer summed it up nicely May 27 16:16:07 hi qwerty12 o/ May 27 16:16:16 hey crashanddie :) May 27 16:16:16 how you doin' neighbour? May 27 16:16:25 I'm good thanks, how about you? May 27 16:16:25 [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > qmake-qt4 Segmentation fault (core dumped) May 27 16:16:37 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/geany/ May 27 16:16:40 heh, that looks ridiculous May 27 16:16:51 hi i'm having some problems installing the maemo 5 sdk beta on ubuntu 64 bits someone could help me? May 27 16:17:07 can anybody help with this i am really struggling with this May 27 16:17:08 qwerty12, yeah, i'm good, been working a bit too much lately, taking off some time by helping out on #maemo :) May 27 16:17:31 sanjay6976, did you read up on using the core-dump to see what was going on? May 27 16:17:33 crashanddie: hehe, I've got me exams to go back to at the end of the week :) May 27 16:17:40 qwerty12, nice, which ones? May 27 16:18:11 thank you all ! i just wanna browse all maemo folders on n800 using file manager of maemo too... can i ? May 27 16:18:16 crashanddie: English Language, Maths (Calculator paper) & History May 27 16:18:46 oDuda, type the command qwerty12 gave you in a console May 27 16:19:03 qwerty12 May 27 16:19:06 how ? May 27 16:19:21 oDuda, you're the kinda guy who pisses off helpers May 27 16:19:23 oDuda, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit May 27 16:19:49 Oh, I'm not pissed off, it's the only name that came to my head :P May 27 16:19:50 i have scratchbox installed but i have problems while running maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta.sh script May 27 16:20:20 sorry sorry i will search by myself ! sorry... May 27 16:20:31 qwerty12, wasn't referring to that, just that the guy doesn't even look up May 27 16:20:45 Ah, I see :) May 27 16:20:57 oDuda, main menu, utilities, click down up to x-terminal May 27 16:21:45 [ Waiting for a mission | Send me another one ] May 27 16:22:01 i know how to gain root etc i wanna browse... to do this using "ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit" will let me browse ? May 27 16:22:14 what abut installong maemo 5 beta sdk in ubuntu 64 bits? May 27 16:22:15 opengeekv21, quite hard to help you out without knowing what the problems are May 27 16:22:36 crashanddie: The guide doesn't say how to debug with the i386 target. May 27 16:22:53 crasganddie: i see, i make a copy paste od the error on my terminal May 27 16:23:04 opengeekv21, NO May 27 16:23:08 opengeekv21, don't post it here May 27 16:23:22 oDuda, yup, it will create a symbolic link in your MyDocs directory (which is displayed in the file browser) to the root of your filesystem May 27 16:23:27 only 11 lines May 27 16:23:33 ~pastebin May 27 16:23:34 opengeekv21, do not post it here May 27 16:23:35 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste May 27 16:23:45 ok May 27 16:24:32 coldboot, oh May 27 16:24:50 crashanddie: it is in pastebin May 27 16:25:11 hang on, I'll just guess the link... May 27 16:25:14 http://pastebin.com/m4088ff83 May 27 16:25:24 * crashanddie facepalms May 27 16:26:09 If you don't have scratchbox running (like that error message suggests), VDSO may be your problem May 27 16:26:28 opengeekv21: VDSO is down May 27 16:26:59 opengeekv21: i've edited a configuration file to deactivate it May 27 16:27:11 opengeek: *disable it May 27 16:27:36 Not the sharpest tool in the shed I take it? Talking to yourself now? May 27 16:27:58 crashanddie: i'm a noob i know it May 27 16:28:04 does the built in mail client only obey the 'check every 15 mins' rule when it's connected to a network? May 27 16:28:12 amr, you can configure it May 27 16:28:21 i don't want it trying to connect every 15 mins when it should be offline :p May 27 16:28:22 oh? May 27 16:28:35 amr, but yeah, by default it only connects when online May 27 16:28:39 crashanddie: sorry by boring you... im 46 yo and i my job was to support users by 12 years... i hate to bore anybody.. i know what is that... I THANK YOU ! May 27 16:28:47 opengeekv21: You can try running "sb-menu" and using the killall option to send signal 9 and try running the script again May 27 16:29:15 querty12: there is some way to know if i am running a scratchbox session and to kill it? May 27 16:29:18 oDuda, you don't bore anyone, don't worry :) May 27 16:29:26 sorted, thanks crashanddie May 27 16:29:32 oDuda, I just turned exactly half your age :D Just turned 23 yesterday :) May 27 16:29:47 happy birthday for yesters May 27 16:29:56 crashanddie: Oh, happy belated birthday :) May 27 16:30:01 scary, i made dsme build under mer May 27 16:30:06 thanks :) May 27 16:30:08 crashanddie Happy Birthday to you ! May 27 16:30:09 opengeekv21: dunno, ps -aux | grep qemu ? May 27 16:30:11 * Stskeeps is terrified. May 27 16:30:16 carshanddie: happy birthday May 27 16:30:45 pview installable for diablo from: deb http://corporatism.org/debs/maemo/diablo/ / May 27 16:31:04 qwerty12: when i run the first command you said me it gives mi te inconsistencys that in tha pastebin May 27 16:31:12 crashanddie leons are not so supported of patience May 27 16:31:47 Runs with only the libgee0 library as extra now.. quite fast.. purpose built. :) May 27 16:32:11 opengeekv21, what did you do exactly to deactivate VDSO? echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled as root? May 27 16:32:20 funny, I ordered a mugen battery for my n800.. just finished testing.. It's labeled "1800mAh", but the middke-pin resistor is signaling 1200mAh.. Full charge, rundown until shutdown, analyze logging by ftd, and I arrive at 1152 mAh, which is within error margin for what the battery itself claims :) May 27 16:32:40 600 "marketing" mAh :) May 27 16:33:13 anyone ever tried the n810 extended battery? May 27 16:33:45 rmt_: This the viewer that needs a newer GTK? :) May 27 16:33:47 crashanddie: no i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst with a kopt May 27 16:33:47 ohhhhh may, 26 is cancer ? May 27 16:34:02 opengeekv21, try sudo echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled May 27 16:34:08 ok May 27 16:34:26 crashanddie: the one with the door? I'm tempted to try both May 27 16:34:40 crashanddie: no such file or directory May 27 16:34:40 ShadowJK, eh? May 27 16:34:50 opengeekv21, what OS are you running? May 27 16:35:12 crashanddie: Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bits May 27 16:35:23 qwerty12, needed May 27 16:35:28 qwerty12, Got rid of the dependencies. May 27 16:35:33 there's one same physical size as standard n810 battery, and one that's thicker and comes with replacement door/cover May 27 16:35:47 qwerty12, Not the comix replacement, though.. that one does need a newer gtk. :-( May 27 16:35:51 rmt_: Awesome, you should think about uploading it to Extras :) May 27 16:35:53 qwerty12, Or some custom C. May 27 16:35:56 opengeekv21, can you paste the exact line you typed in the console? May 27 16:36:23 qwerty12, When I've got it building from source, and the latest vala compiled in scratchbox.. having issues with it atm. May 27 16:36:31 opengeekv21: try the module found here: http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ (haven't used it myself) May 27 16:36:35 I just deb'd up the binary May 27 16:36:40 Ah May 27 16:37:06 ShadowJK, ah, well, I'm tempted to go with the fat one May 27 16:37:16 crashanddie: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled May 27 16:37:23 rmt_: IIRC, Jaffa maintains vala in Extras. If you need a newer version in there, prod him :) May 27 16:37:41 qwerty12: what is this? May 27 16:37:42 opengeekv21, weird, don't know where vdso could've gone May 27 16:38:02 opengeekv21: I thought the description was pretty explanatory? May 27 16:38:18 qwerty12: oh sorry May 27 16:38:35 if the slim n810 is of similar quality as the slim n800 it's not worth it unless you've tortured your existing batery to near-death.. my n800 was second hand and the previous owner had managed to kill the battery to half its original capacity :) May 27 16:38:38 Jaffa, *prod* May 27 16:38:41 opengeekv21, it's your OS May 27 16:38:52 Jaffa, 0.7.2 or 0.7.3 would be good.. I want #if MAEMO :) May 27 16:38:55 opengeekv21, scratchbox is broken on 64bit systems since a particular kernel update May 27 16:39:00 opengeekv21 & qwerty12: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492702 May 27 16:39:28 Ah, thanks for the link. 32-bit here, so I'm safe :) May 27 16:40:08 just run debian sarge and you'll be fine :P May 27 16:40:59 and it's not that they sent me an old battery either. It's fresh. To use an analogy, it runs like on steroids until it runs out, and drops incredibly fast at the end. My old battery was old and tired, and complained with low battery warnings ages before tablet shutdown May 27 16:41:31 ShadowJK, same here May 27 16:41:34 crashanddie & qwerty12: thanks May 27 16:41:46 ShadowJK, I have a battery that will go for about 2 days full blast and then suddenly just crap out May 27 16:42:06 and really like using the interface, battery icon is full, and suddenly screen goes black, completely shut down May 27 16:42:25 opengeekv21: ill try it on a virtualbox debian/ubuntu 32 bits May 27 16:42:39 opengeekv21, wrong nickname again ;) May 27 16:42:50 qwerty12 & crashanddie: yes, talking to me again May 27 16:42:56 :) May 27 16:42:56 will be unteresting to see how the battery metering behaves after a full recharge May 27 16:43:10 opengeekv12: bye May 27 16:45:10 incidentally, is there a way to change the label of an sd card without reformatting it? May 27 16:47:33 for the danish weekend people missing info on hotel: sorry for the delay in sending that email out to all sponsored participants. That email should go out in a few hours. May 27 16:47:50 (lcuk, sampppa etc) May 27 16:48:51 Stskeeps: which list did you send to? May 27 16:49:05 * timeless_mbp is flying tomorrow morning and will lose access to mailboxes RSN May 27 16:49:36 timeless_mbp: i asked the mozilla guy about it since he said on 25th info would come out shortly May 27 16:49:52 oh, i got some info then May 27 16:49:55 so i was quoting from his mail May 27 16:50:18 you'll be staying at cabinn too? May 27 16:57:57 mgedmin, tune2fs -L May 27 16:58:17 crashanddie: on a VFAT partition? really? May 27 16:58:32 because I don't believe you May 27 16:58:33 mgedmin, hmm, you didn't specify a VFAT partition :-* May 27 16:59:00 that happens to be the default for all SD cards you buy May 27 16:59:23 mgedmin: dostools comes with mlabel May 27 16:59:23 mgedmin: dostools comes with mlabel May 27 16:59:58 mgedmin, fat partitions also happen to be bad, by default :P May 27 17:01:10 do you suggest thin partitions instead? :) May 27 17:01:20 I certainly do May 27 17:01:51 though, I think anorexic partitions are a bit too extreme, like reiser, that's murder May 27 17:03:39 what happened to reiser anyway? death sentence or was it canada? :P May 27 17:03:49 reiser was impressive: when I switched from ext2 (or was it 3?) to reiserfs, it freed up extra 100 megs on my 700 mb partition May 27 17:04:12 it was also likely to corrupt essential system files (/etc/modutils.conf) making the system fail to boot after a crash, which is why I stopped using it May 27 17:04:58 how to do mkfs.jffs2? what program needed May 27 17:05:11 mtd-tools/utils May 27 17:05:34 thanks May 27 17:07:54 Why would my arm target be compiling extremely slow in scratchbox 2? May 27 17:08:19 it may be fully emulated? May 27 17:08:28 Stskeeps: How do you fix that? May 27 17:09:02 well did you point it to a toolchain and not sb2 -e'ing? :P May 27 17:10:26 You mean run `maemo-sdk set toolchain`? May 27 17:10:49 .. okay, admittedly i never used sdk+ May 27 17:10:52 just sb2 raw May 27 17:10:56 hmm, BSD license seems to be a lot shorter and easier to understand that GPL May 27 17:11:04 Stskeeps: What does it mean to use sb2 raw and not sdk+? May 27 17:11:07 s/that/than/ May 27 17:11:08 Meizirkki meant: hmm, BSD license seems to be a lot shorter and easier to understand than GPL May 27 17:11:27 haha, hilarious May 27 17:11:45 The fact that someone wrote that bot is so funny. May 27 17:12:17 Meizirkki: yeah, now which is the more free one.. :) May 27 17:12:30 Stskeeps: I was running scons from within the runtime environment, entered with `maemo-sdk enter runtime`. May 27 17:12:57 BSD License is really just "Take the code and do whatever you want, just include the license and original author". May 27 17:13:22 Everyone knows that: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ is the best license May 27 17:16:20 Can I run python apps on meomo? May 27 17:16:23 Stskeeps: The reason I've been building from within the runtime environment is because python can't be found when I do "sb2 scons". May 27 17:16:35 Stskeeps: And I've definitely installed python, and scons for maemo... May 27 17:17:07 Makavel: yes, assuming you meant "maemo" May 27 17:17:32 mgedmin: Yeah.... thanks. It was a typo May 27 17:18:09 Do i have to install a python runtime or what? May 27 17:18:56 * Stskeeps still ponders if he'll get lynched in cph for some of his views on maemo May 27 17:19:47 Stskeeps: What's cph? May 27 17:19:53 Stskeeps: What are your views on maemo? May 27 17:20:20 coldboot: 'Maemo is harmed by it's history and still suffers from having had to be fit in a sardine can like hardware previously, taking care not to waste any memory, cpu or storage space. ', etc May 27 17:20:45 coldboot: copenhagen May 27 17:20:54 ah May 27 17:21:06 Makavel: probably May 27 17:21:08 we have a danish developer weekend this week May 27 17:22:20 i'll probably upset some by saying developing for maemo is a headache, but try to show why and how it can be made better :P May 27 17:23:54 Hello May 27 17:24:00 lo andrewfblack May 27 17:25:15 Stskeeps: making proper precompilated packages May 27 17:25:56 Stskeeps: Only install a mameo SDK is a headache itself May 27 17:26:36 * andrewfblack wonders if he should get a mifi 2200 from Verison May 27 17:50:52 Why would `sb2 python` not find python? May 27 17:52:20 When I `maemo-sdk enter runtime`, I can run python, make, scons, etc. When I'm outside and run `sb2 python`, `sb2 scons`, neither work, but `sb2 make` works fine. Where does sb2 load its commands from? May 27 17:53:48 I am trying to follow Kortsi's instructions on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15520 to safely get my data off my continually rebooting n810, but I don't own an sd card, so I was wondering if someone could tell me what /dev/ the internal 2gb card is so I can mount it, delete off the mp3's, and backup my data to it so I can flash? May 27 17:56:00 GenKreton__: that script looks like it'll backup to the internal 2gb already May 27 17:56:32 (looking at #4) May 27 17:57:40 qwerty12_N800: can you help me so I can just backup the 128 mb ram to the 2gb internal? May 27 17:58:06 I have one shot to get this right, since I can't see if I got it without flashing it and overwriting my 128 mb :) May 27 17:58:14 * andrewfblack wonders why Reggie wont update minimalist 2.0 again for me May 27 17:59:06 mmcblk0p1 is the 128 mb flash I assume and mtdblock4 May 27 17:59:09 andrewfblack: busy man maybe.. doesn't he run several forums? May 27 17:59:10 is the external card May 27 17:59:19 so what device is the internal 2gb? May 27 18:00:02 Stskeeps: yeah but I figured he would drop me a line and say it would take a while sometimes i think my pms get lost in his message box lol May 27 18:00:12 Does anyone know where the command `sb2` loads programs from? I have python installed in my armel rootstrap, and I can run python from within the runtime environment, but `sb2 python` doesn't work, command not found. May 27 18:00:25 GenKreton__:mtdblock4 is the flash, mmcblk0p1 should be the internal 2gb May 27 18:00:48 qwerty12_N800: so what is the dev for the internal 128 mb? May 27 18:01:01 mtdblock4 :) May 27 18:01:07 oh weird May 27 18:01:21 Stskeeps: Do you know how to get `sb2 python` to run? May 27 18:01:26 coldboot: sorry no May 27 18:01:37 Stskeeps: Do you know who uses scratchbox 2 here? May 27 18:01:38 i use OBS now and have left maemo sdk development in the dust :P May 27 18:01:45 Stskeeps: What's OBS? May 27 18:02:04 opensuse build service but it's not quite ready for maemo devel yet :P May 27 18:02:22 Stskeeps: Maemo really does suck, it's horrendously awkward to do most complicated things, and there's such a small community it's hard to get help with anything. May 27 18:02:44 ever tried s60? :) May 27 18:02:48 ah, i wouldn't say it's small May 27 18:11:40 coldboot, question - why are you using scratchbox to do python dev? May 27 18:11:57 surely its more logical and simple to just do it on device May 27 18:12:10 but, if you wanna go the long way round :) May 27 18:12:49 <-- the terrific is back May 27 18:14:05 hey oDuda \o May 27 18:14:22 thanks for welcoming me back :D May 27 18:14:24 lcuk: I'm using scons as my build system, and I can't run it with sb2. May 27 18:14:50 lcuk: Either way, running `sb2 something_that's_obviously_in_the_path` should work regardless, I would say. May 27 18:15:22 i wouldnt know, i started developing natively and never looked back May 27 18:15:36 tho python is such a slow language for anything more than glue May 27 18:15:47 and even then May 27 18:15:55 lcuk: i got my tablet back ;p what was that link for the liqbase "nightly"? May 27 18:15:58 lcuk: What would you rather have? May 27 18:16:00 hey seb \o im used to vb lol May 27 18:16:01 Python's POO model is pretty dodgy frankly May 27 18:16:04 i want to check it out May 27 18:16:05 so its rapid in comparison May 27 18:16:20 lcuk, hang on, I got a good video for you, but you've probably already seen it May 27 18:16:25 lcuk: Personally I can't stand using regular expressions in C++, it's the opposite of elegant. May 27 18:16:32 :) heh zakkm ive never called it a nightly before but i suppose thats what i t is May 27 18:16:40 lcuk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU May 27 18:16:40 hello all, any port documentation for maemo 5? May 27 18:16:42 me neither May 27 18:16:44 thats why i put in quotations :P May 27 18:16:46 so i dont use em May 27 18:17:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 May 27 18:17:04 what do you call it? May 27 18:17:18 coldboot, aren't regular expressions the opposite of elegant, no matter the language? May 27 18:17:20 its a bit old now, and you have to have voted and rated the yt video at least 5 times May 27 18:17:22 0508? thats the newest? May 27 18:17:24 to download it May 27 18:17:26 does that have the vid 5 stuff? May 27 18:17:29 All the doc I found is for maemo 4.1, is still valid? (http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node13.html) May 27 18:17:51 crashanddie: It's the best way to do string parsing. May 27 18:17:54 zakkm, its enough surely to start :P May 27 18:18:00 heh kk May 27 18:18:06 coldboot, you're evading the question :P May 27 18:18:08 thanks :P May 27 18:18:18 <|dl9pf|> hi May 27 18:18:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo watch and rate that and ill open the download lol May 27 18:18:28 crashanddie: I looked up elegant, to be precise, and regular expressions are the most elegant way to do string parsing, I'd say. May 27 18:18:40 crashanddie: I meant C++'s representation of them were ugly. May 27 18:18:51 dang my tablet turned off at night May 27 18:19:01 crashanddie: regex's certainly beat tedious if conditions to do parsing. May 27 18:19:01 which part, its a string definition with the same syntax isnt it? May 27 18:19:08 lol zakkm May 27 18:19:10 lcuk: ahh i forgot to post, i voted though when you made that May 27 18:19:17 heh May 27 18:19:31 coldboot, I never questioned regexes as such May 27 18:19:31 * lcuk is joking of course, its not linked really May 27 18:19:45 coldboot, I just think they're buttugly May 27 18:19:46 im aware, its already on my tablet ;p May 27 18:19:54 regexs are brainfucks all to themselves May 27 18:19:55 crashanddie: I think they're beautiful. ;) May 27 18:20:14 damn zakkm, there goes my chance of gettin into the top20 May 27 18:20:16 :P May 27 18:20:19 lcuk: when you know the theory they make sense May 27 18:20:25 im posting im posting ;p May 27 18:20:32 we should digg it :) May 27 18:20:39 "The iphone killer" May 27 18:20:42 I think Summer Glau is beautiful, I guess that's the main difference between the two of us coldboot ;) May 27 18:20:44 Stskeeps, i know what the intent is, it just hurts my head May 27 18:20:48 :D:D:D:D:D May 27 18:20:59 zakkm, no you shouldnt May 27 18:21:06 the :D was about summer glau May 27 18:21:06 why? May 27 18:21:16 lol May 27 18:21:19 you guys watch tscc? May 27 18:21:29 w00t, yet another story with 4 diggs, and yet another story titled "iphone killer" May 27 18:21:45 the n8x0 will never be an iphone killer May 27 18:21:46 cos the iphone is amazing and for very good reason it sits as a standard May 27 18:22:04 but having said that, i stopped finger painting years ago ;) May 27 18:22:05 main reason: the n8x0 DOESN'T DO PHONE :D May 27 18:22:16 lcuk, have you seen the new yorker fingerpainting? May 27 18:22:19 i do think it has sliqness on its side that iphone wont come near May 27 18:22:21 the ipod OS is very nice ;p May 27 18:22:23 yeah 1 painting May 27 18:22:25 how do they make it so fast? May 27 18:22:35 zakkm, two things May 27 18:22:41 low res May 27 18:22:42 zakkm, access to the graphics chip May 27 18:22:56 zakkm, one single language and set of libraries on the whole platform May 27 18:23:00 liqbase gets about 100fps when in same res as iphone May 27 18:23:08 i think May 27 18:23:08 :o May 27 18:23:28 i havent changed res in months tho lol May 27 18:23:31 what is liqbase anyway? May 27 18:23:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo May 27 18:23:42 well ive installed it May 27 18:23:46 the new one wont get anywhere near that tho lol May 27 18:23:48 but i understand theres a libliqbase ? May 27 18:23:50 amr, some say it's the antichrist May 27 18:23:50 its fixed to 800*480 May 27 18:23:57 there will be May 27 18:23:58 :D May 27 18:24:12 * zakkm supports liqbase more, due to crashanddie statement ;p May 27 18:24:12 will be? May 27 18:24:20 everything works so smoothly May 27 18:24:22 amr, liqbase from extras is the original monolithic first version May 27 18:24:29 ah, i have that :p May 27 18:24:29 hang on, what's this .so then? May 27 18:24:37 which rules, i started using drawing for like notes May 27 18:24:41 my proof of concept, but i use it lots still May 27 18:24:42 its really better than pen/paper May 27 18:24:49 crashanddie: So can you not use Python on the iPod? May 27 18:25:01 the one principle thing people moaned about was how it was all monolithic May 27 18:25:05 ipod uses C May 27 18:25:06 coldboot, not AFAIK May 27 18:25:16 i was going to code apps for it, sell on app store :P May 27 18:25:17 obj-C. There. Fixed that for you. May 27 18:25:17 libliqbase is the library version, and my playground makes use of the numerous modules now created May 27 18:25:36 oh noice May 27 18:25:53 zakkm: I've heard the market for fart applications is lucrative. May 27 18:26:01 lcuk, am I not entitled to an update of libliqbase? May 27 18:26:06 heh May 27 18:26:09 when shaped up properly, it will be possible to create a standalone liq* app, which can be integrated into the playground as well May 27 18:26:16 its good money potential, and im young without a job May 27 18:26:21 crashanddie, have you paied for yout telephone support? May 27 18:26:29 -e May 27 18:26:30 telephone support? May 27 18:26:35 lcuk hello ! hows you lcuk ? May 27 18:26:39 yeah you can only have an update if you are on support May 27 18:26:46 what the? May 27 18:26:59 ? May 27 18:27:14 heh, why are you even asking - you are admin on liqbase.codebasehq.com :P May 27 18:27:19 zakkm, unless you manage to sell 6000 apps at 10 bucks a year, I don't see the interest May 27 18:27:30 oh right, there's the repository there May 27 18:27:32 10 bucks a year? May 27 18:27:33 you have full unfettered access to all the published source as you know :) May 27 18:27:44 zakkm, to make an annual $60k? May 27 18:27:58 lcuk, yeah but it's the unpublished I want, you know that May 27 18:28:01 you add to the store, which ppl buy? May 27 18:28:05 oh May 27 18:28:08 heh misread May 27 18:28:11 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha no May 27 18:28:14 im not looking for 60k ? May 27 18:28:16 don't make me break your other fingers :P May 27 18:28:22 .|.. lol May 27 18:28:25 zakkm, then you're underselling yourself? May 27 18:28:34 im 18, i dont need 60k May 27 18:28:45 sure you do, everybody needs $60k May 27 18:28:46 i just need a good $20-30 a week? May 27 18:28:50 its not even nearly ready and i broke it more and it looks weaker than i thought :'( May 27 18:28:54 wtf? May 27 18:28:57 30 a week? you don't visit enough prostitutes May 27 18:29:02 zakkm, dude, you can't live off that mate May 27 18:29:03 (take care, birthday makes the people nervous wrek) May 27 18:29:10 zakkm, unless you still live with mum and dad May 27 18:29:10 depends where he is May 27 18:29:11 i dont want to make ipod apps to live off of May 27 18:29:11 crashanddie: He probably lives with his parents. May 27 18:29:18 im 18 lol ;p May 27 18:29:22 so? May 27 18:29:28 everybody i know still lives at home May 27 18:29:38 ppl are graduating next month and going to uni and such May 27 18:29:38 no you don't May 27 18:29:44 zakkm: What's your idea for an app? May 27 18:29:48 its an expensive city May 27 18:30:01 most people in the world probably consider 30 per week filthy rich :) May 27 18:30:06 zakkm, reason more than $30 a week isn't enough to live May 27 18:30:15 They're probably not in this IRC channel. May 27 18:30:19 i dont exepct it to May 27 18:30:21 ShadowJK, most people in the world don't dream of developping for the iPod May 27 18:30:27 its not enough to live on your budget, but on zakkm's it will be enough May 27 18:30:33 lol May 27 18:30:35 hm May 27 18:30:36 let the lad have fantasies about his earnings May 27 18:30:45 i was going to make a few apps and let it like sit May 27 18:30:51 lcuk, don't make assumptions about my lifestyle :P May 27 18:31:02 minimalist theme has /huge/ font... is this predicting n900? ;p May 27 18:31:05 trust fund for your childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens children May 27 18:31:12 zakkm: How about you tell us your idea, and you'll get a varied set of opinions telling you whether people would buy it or not. May 27 18:31:15 lcuk, just because we met in a fancy hotel doesn't mean anything :P May 27 18:31:22 heh May 27 18:31:31 my figner was naked over the weekend :O May 27 18:31:32 i dont really have any ideas ;p May 27 18:31:39 and the scab came off ! its nearly healed May 27 18:31:43 zakkm, how good a coder are you? May 27 18:31:44 zakkm: That will not sell. May 27 18:31:54 grade 11 computer science May 27 18:31:55 hang on, lemme rephrase that May 27 18:31:56 * lcuk has many ideas for stupid little apps May 27 18:32:04 zakkm, that's not a skill May 27 18:32:08 lol May 27 18:32:11 i would learn May 27 18:32:15 ;p May 27 18:32:18 zakkm, get your ass into #liqbase and make silly little apps that do crappy things May 27 18:32:20 zakkm, I know a director of IT and he's got a oyster's IQ May 27 18:32:22 theres a need for lots of them May 27 18:32:46 oysters are quite intelligent you know May 27 18:32:55 lcuk: im still at the opening liqbase stage ;p May 27 18:32:57 zakkm, your age and your rank don't make you a good or bad coder, it's what you're capable of May 27 18:32:58 ive never seen one fail a maths test May 27 18:32:59 have you? May 27 18:33:09 lcuk, I've never seen one succeed May 27 18:33:09 opening terminal now ;p May 27 18:33:40 zakkm, you have to slide out the keyboard as well May 27 18:33:41 zakkm, got a portfolio? May 27 18:33:56 slide keyboard out, im not that lucky to have a n810 ;p May 27 18:34:00 lcuk, I'll slide out your keyboard May 27 18:34:09 re May 27 18:34:18 * lcuk drops your phone in the beer May 27 18:34:23 hey flo_lap \o May 27 18:35:17 lcuk: theres like static whenever i move ;p in liqbase ;p May 27 18:35:22 like scrolling May 27 18:35:41 it's not a bug, it's a feature May 27 18:35:46 it's because you're under 21 May 27 18:35:54 you're not allowed to see the sexiness of liq* May 27 18:36:13 its whenever i touch on the screen it happens :( May 27 18:36:27 zakkm, close the program and restart it May 27 18:36:31 its once only thing May 27 18:36:34 (per reboot) May 27 18:36:38 im adding a splash.. May 27 18:36:52 ohh you got it to switch to performance :p May 27 18:37:00 in terminal it shows closing, switching from performance to ondemand May 27 18:37:19 lcuk, im sorry your face is getting attacked :( May 27 18:38:49 hmmm May 27 18:38:58 is there really xournal for maemo? May 27 18:39:00 lcuk, I nearly got a client working on the n810 for finger btw :P May 27 18:39:08 or did I read wrong in teh interhwebs? May 27 18:39:21 lcuk, did I tell you the database for finger crashed? May 27 18:39:43 my finger May 27 18:39:49 lcuk, I hit 2^24 entries May 27 18:39:53 crashanddie: you don't need anything to finger a tablet May 27 18:39:55 nice lol May 27 18:39:56 Myrtti: should be in extras (application manager) May 27 18:40:17 wohoo May 27 18:40:28 I can use that to have my knitting patterns in! May 27 18:40:30 lcuk, so now basically, I need to re-write the storage classes, to use the google store May 27 18:40:30 brilliant May 27 18:40:30 lcuk: how do you use the liqcalendar ;p May 27 18:41:04 Myrtti: there are better alternatives, like the notes in liqbase May 27 18:41:06 you lick it May 27 18:41:19 Myrtti: chinook extras - the diablo one was borken but the chinook one installs fine under diablo May 27 18:41:20 lcuk: IVE ALREADY TRIED THAT :( May 27 18:41:32 lbt: Diablo ARMEL build segfaults in scratchbox, and doesn't start on the device May 27 18:41:34 you need /media/mmc1/_cal May 27 18:41:40 lcuk, I've written a servlet for the google data store that automagically creates new classes, instantiates an object and stores it based on POST data May 27 18:41:43 zakkm: does it open up pdf's so I can annotate them? May 27 18:41:48 Myrtti, ive seen you wanting stuff for knitting for a while May 27 18:41:56 remind me again when its not so hectic May 27 18:41:56 lcuk, same way around, I can put in request, and it just fetches the object and pushes it through in XML May 27 18:41:59 i might have an idea May 27 18:41:59 Myrtti: yeah, it annotates pdfs May 27 18:41:59 because I have to mark down which rounds I've already knitted May 27 18:42:04 lcuk: no it opens just i dont know how i got it to write something and why it didnt save May 27 18:42:05 ok, might try that then May 27 18:42:20 ahh click the header May 27 18:42:24 its not in finger friendly mode May 27 18:42:28 lol May 27 18:42:29 where the date number is May 27 18:42:30 ohh May 27 18:42:45 nothing happens when i press save :( May 27 18:42:46 that sounds like a stupid workaround May 27 18:42:57 my tablet screen is so duffed i cant scroll without it zooming in May 27 18:43:14 "Lotus Notes crashes when Audio CD is in CD Player" -> Workaround: "Do not leave Audio CD in CD Player when using Lotus Notes" May 27 18:43:29 zakkm, have you got /media/mmc1/_cal May 27 18:43:40 let me check May 27 18:44:05 its explained in the readme ;) May 27 18:44:06 crashanddie: It's all about Lime^H^H^HiTunes store now anyway ;) May 27 18:44:14 lcuk, so yeah, the google datastore performs pretty well May 27 18:44:25 this is why i would not create a .deb yet - its NOT user friendly :P May 27 18:44:34 :D excellent May 27 18:44:35 i just did the run as root May 27 18:44:54 teens - they never read things ;) May 27 18:45:08 lcuk, I got about 30 gigs worth of emotions :P May 27 18:45:17 nice seb :) May 27 18:45:39 now steer it away from blogs and more at gallery sites and you will get a whole different kind of emotions lol May 27 18:45:46 lol May 27 18:45:54 don't wanna do that :P May 27 18:46:01 why not May 27 18:46:19 because I want to be able to take a snapshot of what people are thinking May 27 18:46:24 heh May 27 18:46:26 and you will May 27 18:48:01 lcuk: you have it automatically check for /media/mmc1 :P May 27 18:48:16 13;44;20 filesave, cannot open '/media/mmc1/_cal/day20090511.sketch' for writing May 27 18:48:51 no wonder it didnt work ;p i sftp'd it to /home May 27 18:49:11 zakkm, its a playtest May 27 18:49:20 in the proper release it will be in proper place May 27 18:49:24 lcuk: for years. May 27 18:49:35 but i keep stuff on mmc cos i can just switch cards and take my stuff to a new machine easily May 27 18:49:45 lcuk: my offer to knit a Tux scarf or mittens or whatever still stands May 27 18:50:14 Myrtti, plushy version of the mascot May 27 18:50:18 slg came up with May 27 18:50:21 lcuk: i boot from SD, and i lost my other sd card :(, and realized its quicker adding stuff through sftp then plugging in card and such May 27 18:50:24 the centre one i highlight in my video May 27 18:50:59 rmt_: Will try and do it this evening :) May 27 18:51:04 zakkm, i was on the plane a couple of weeks ago fumbling trying to switch devices May 27 18:51:26 no laptop? May 27 18:51:27 lcuk: could do May 27 18:51:56 So.. I'm thinking about the best way to create a nice flowable with GTK widgets.. May 27 18:52:15 zakkm, no May 27 18:52:40 i would of thought you'd have a laptop for journeys and such May 27 18:52:41 Myrtti, the mascots thing is always good fun, did you read the thread and see some strange suggestions? May 27 18:52:56 zakkm, i do but liqbase is on my devices May 27 18:52:58 A TextView would maybe do the job .. or I could just start adding widgets to a Layout, and ensure that the layout matches the window size.. redraw when it changes. May 27 18:52:58 -s May 27 18:53:52 How would you get scons working from outside scratchbox? `sb2 scons`, or any other program that doesn't work by default? May 27 18:54:16 It seems the sb2 command only executes a predefined list of programs like ls, make, etc. May 27 18:54:46 And add all items line by line.. filling in free space.. fairly easy to do it if I assume each line has the same height.. harder if I want proper wrapping around images. May 27 18:56:00 lcuk: on itt? I don't usually frequent any discussion forums anymore these days May 27 18:56:20 that was a good thread :) community involvement and a laugh May 27 18:56:43 always good to do something folks can get involved in May 27 19:07:56 is qt faster than gtk? May 27 19:08:32 nope May 27 19:08:44 didnt think so lol May 27 19:08:47 it can do more May 27 19:09:47 hi everyone May 27 19:10:00 ...specially Stskeeps ... need help with mer again lol May 27 19:10:12 only if you have chocolate cookies May 27 19:10:45 Stskeeps, I sell them dirt cheap. May 27 19:11:06 hehe May 27 19:11:12 what was the issue? May 27 19:12:35 That, I could boot it (that is further than I went last time I tried) and the white bar goes until the end (first time it configured sthg I don't remember and asked user and pass), but the it just keeps there in the end and does nothing. I left it a long time and nothing. May 27 19:13:06 And now, after 10 seconds with the white bar in the end, a red bar appears, which when completes, makes the device turn off. May 27 19:13:37 right, can we take it in #mer so we don't clutter the channel? May 27 19:14:05 ...I forgot there was a channel for Mer! Ok, I will. May 27 19:16:39 Hmm.. strange.. compiling vala in sb2, and libvala.so doesn't have some of the necessary libraries linked in.. their functions are shown as "U" in nm.. May 27 19:17:06 Which is fine for the library, but then it borks when it reaches valac May 27 19:17:18 Must learn more about libtool. May 27 19:18:00 :( rmt_ May 27 19:18:12 how is vala shaping out outside of these probs May 27 19:18:30 I like it. It's gaining missing functionality. May 27 19:18:46 yeah it should May 27 19:18:48 I would like more documentation about how to link in normal C code, though. May 27 19:18:57 missing funcionality? extra language constructs or librarie? May 27 19:19:04 VAPI files, mostly. May 27 19:19:12 yeah those come with time May 27 19:19:21 isnt there an automated conversion May 27 19:19:30 For glib libraries, yes.. May 27 19:19:38 cool May 27 19:19:49 gobject libraries.. But I think it still requires tweaks since people don't always follow the naming conventions. May 27 19:19:50 someone needs to check out vala on mer really May 27 19:19:52 and get Tear going May 27 19:20:25 vala is impressive - its like cfront in many ways May 27 19:20:55 I wish I had more time at the moment.. was suckered into doing Zope work.. waved a Django app in front of my face first, then threw the whopper at me. May 27 19:21:06 w0000t someone signed me up for itunes May 27 19:21:24 someone called Demetre May 27 19:21:39 * lcuk loves getting odd mails May 27 19:21:54 hah rmt May 27 19:24:12 lcuk, I'm working with Grok now .. much nicer than Plone development .. and it can be ported to plone relatively easily later.. May 27 19:24:36 are these even languages or programs? they all sound made up nowadays May 27 19:24:48 Zope 3's powerful and cool, but complicated.. Zope 2's neat and relatively simple.. Plone is a monstrosity. May 27 19:26:56 Plone is a CMS built on Zope 2, which now haphazardly uses Zope 3 features through a layer called Five (2 + 3 = 5) .. it has a lot of followers .. but it's too damn complicated if you're already familiar with parts of the system. May 27 19:27:58 Zope 3 uses XML to configure the application, connect providers with requesters, etc. .. Grok uses some code to do it and mostly avoid XML. May 27 19:28:24 Then there's repoze.bfg, which is more like django or rails, but using Zope 3 technology. May 27 19:28:38 Basically - avoid it all if you can. :-) May 27 19:29:13 Ok - got vala to compile.. the hacky way, but that's all I'm doing atm. May 27 19:31:24 rmt_: 0.7.3 on its way to extras-devel as we speak May 27 19:31:37 Jaffa, You had no problem compiling it? sb2? May 27 19:31:39 * Jaffa needs to find time to properly put libgee up there too May 27 19:31:43 rmt_: sb1 May 27 19:31:55 I really should cleanup my build environment. May 27 19:32:01 (using mud: just points at tarball - bam!) May 27 19:32:53 Considering getting rid of my 64bit ubuntu install too in favour of 32bit too.. too much screwing around to get 32bit only things working. May 27 19:32:54 hm May 27 19:33:02 I must be missing out something May 27 19:33:08 * Jaffa is still happy with his 64-bit ubuntu May 27 19:33:16 Myrtti: can't find xournal in extras? :P May 27 19:33:18 notes could do annotations on pdfs? looks like it can't open them May 27 19:33:18 Seems... "wrong"... to run a 32-bit OS May 27 19:33:26 Myrtti: ah, no, xournal can May 27 19:33:30 not notes May 27 19:33:30 hm May 27 19:33:32 xournal May 27 19:33:38 silly rabbits May 27 19:34:07 Jaffa: 64bit mode does not add much usefulness for a normal user May 27 19:34:33 Jaffa: it is a bit slower too because 64bit instructions are longer May 27 19:35:31 RST38h: True. When running in 32-bit mode can it use the wider bus to load two instructions at a time, or does it only use half the bus? May 27 19:35:44 Jaffa: It always uses the whole bus May 27 19:36:14 And it loads whatever amount of data fits the incoiming decoding buffer May 27 19:36:26 Hmm. May 27 19:36:46 x86 assembly language is no longer directly related to what CPU is doing internally, not like arm May 27 19:36:51 I also semi-object to changing my OS to better suit the vagaries of Scratchbox and the Maemo SDK; but... May 27 19:37:04 Jaffa: You won't lose much really May 27 19:37:10 RST38h: Ah, I've never done any x86 assembly - just 6502 & ARM. Oh, and some 68k at university May 27 19:37:41 Jaffa: Modern x86s pretty much "emulate" most of traditional x86 instructions May 27 19:37:59 Internally, these CPUs are way different May 27 19:41:03 lol May 27 19:41:07 who said this is buggy? May 27 19:41:13 it's less buggy than in ubuntu jaunty :-D May 27 19:41:19 hohohoh May 27 19:41:21 ♥ May 27 19:41:25 brilliant May 27 19:41:32 cheers fellers May 27 19:41:56 bloody brilliant May 27 19:50:21 I love you guys ♥ May 27 19:50:56 :D May 27 19:51:19 Myrtti, you always stand out in a crowd of text May 27 19:51:49 ♥ ♥ ♥ #maemo ♥ ♥ ♥ May 27 19:52:11 lcuk: the thing is, if this knitting pattern doesn't start to heed to my will, I'll sell the yarn. May 27 19:52:16 and it wasn't cheap May 27 19:52:32 if I can make any sense of this pattern, then all the better May 27 19:52:41 what is the pattern May 27 19:52:55 http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4661/2016/1600/pavonmallineule.0.jpg May 27 19:53:00 will end up something like that May 27 19:53:26 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3571275234/ May 27 19:54:38 How do you run an arbitrary program with sb2? I can do `sb2 make`, `sb2 ls`, but for many other programs that I've installed, they're not found. However, doing `sb2 'print $PATH'` gives paths to which those non-working programs are in... May 27 19:55:04 Myrtti, so the qournal page you are viewing is the pattern itself May 27 19:55:07 for that piece May 27 19:56:05 yeah May 27 19:56:23 but you keep doing it wrong, or getting your stylus caught up in it May 27 19:56:42 all I need to do is to clearly mark the rows I've done May 27 19:57:05 liqbase could make a pyramid of tiles like that, but it would be better to know the full format required May 27 19:57:06 a visual aid to help me keep on the pattern May 27 19:57:18 thats actually really easy May 27 19:57:28 you see in the video i do multiselect tag cloud thing May 27 19:57:55 its essentially the same idea as what you are needing (from the looks of things) May 27 20:02:36 rmt_: Damn. 0.7.3's failed to build on armel: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vala_0.7.3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt May 27 20:02:57 lcuk: if there was a way to build a grid of patterns easily, sorta like drag and drop stiches to a grid, that would be what I've dreamt of for years May 27 20:03:13 rmt_: Looks like it might depend on a newer glib. I'll have a look after watching ER. May 27 20:03:58 Jaffa, Yup - looks that way. May 27 20:04:00 Enjoy ER May 27 20:04:50 Myrtti, :) so if there was a tile of X * Y and you could select one of (lets say) 8 "colors" and paint em wherever May 27 20:05:46 lcuk: or black and white characters, like in that picture - o, /, \, m etc May 27 20:05:49 if we stored them in a text file with whats filled into each location in a grid would that be ok May 27 20:05:52 yeah i see May 27 20:06:12 00100100100100100100 May 27 20:06:16 01001001001001001001 May 27 20:06:21 00100100100100100100 May 27 20:06:23 etc May 27 20:06:23 there's actually a xml format for knitting patterns :-) May 27 20:06:28 yeah May 27 20:06:33 thats what i asked up there ^ May 27 20:06:34 lol May 27 20:06:44 oh, you did? May 27 20:06:52 yeah dont worry lol May 27 20:06:52 I must have been so excited knitting didn't notice May 27 20:06:57 heh May 27 20:06:59 knitml :-) May 27 20:07:09 im meant to be chilling out preparing for trip May 27 20:08:35 Myrtti, find the spec for the knitting things May 27 20:08:59 and post it to liquid@gmail.com :) May 27 20:09:05 will do :-) May 27 20:09:14 ill bbiab May 27 20:13:08 lcuk: btw, rm_you is going to CPH as well I heard, so you might want to talk with him as well May 27 20:18:35 lcuk, Myrtti: yes I was wanting to do something with knitML :P May 27 20:47:06 http://github.com/rmt/maemo-hacks/tree May 27 20:58:46 rmt_: The regexp issue came up before May 27 20:58:50 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/vala-list/2008-March/msg00061.html May 27 21:19:46 ♥ I llooooooove this May 27 21:19:58 hi. my Nokia N810 arrived. wooohoo May 27 21:20:06 chx: congrats May 27 21:20:41 Myrtti: mer? May 27 21:21:02 chx: did you own an older tablet? May 27 21:21:11 Jaffa: xournal on maemo May 27 21:21:55 nope. May 27 21:21:57 my first tablet. May 27 21:22:07 oh cool congrats May 27 21:22:09 chx: congrats! May 27 21:22:10 looks nice eh? May 27 21:22:35 chx: do you know how to check version on the tablet? May 27 21:22:52 zakkm: not yet. May 27 21:22:59 zakkm: its charging atm May 27 21:23:06 very important to update, if its not at the newest May 27 21:23:11 zakkm: after that, OS refresh and Drupal. First things first. May 27 21:23:22 drupal.. like server drupal? May 27 21:23:45 http+sql and running drupal? May 27 21:23:58 Yes May 27 21:24:14 I am the SQLite maintainer (among other things) of Drupal 7 May 27 21:24:15 port-a-wiki :P May 27 21:24:27 is it going to be for personal use, or like business use? May 27 21:24:43 Challenging question May 27 21:24:50 cause to honest if its not going to be for personal.. gentoo or mer might be better cause you'd have the larger repository and such May 27 21:24:58 If *I* code Drupal is that personal or simple madness :p ? May 27 21:25:08 heh May 27 21:25:22 I mean, who else codes Drupal on an N810? May 27 21:25:29 nobody i think May 27 21:25:36 but there are those times when you are on a bus May 27 21:25:46 wasted time that could be used for patching. May 27 21:25:55 i wouldnt get a tablet for drupal though ;p May 27 21:25:57 i would get a laptop May 27 21:26:14 like coding May 27 21:26:20 I sincerely doubt programming on any mobile device is any fun. May 27 21:26:27 I tried to do it years ago on my Palm Vx. May 27 21:26:43 oh i have laptops. May 27 21:26:45 sure. May 27 21:27:08 You can do it though, if you want to. The N810 makes it possible. May 27 21:27:13 Yes!! May 27 21:27:19 Ask lcuk May 27 21:27:24 It has a bash shell May 27 21:27:28 another, business use is SSH from the road. May 27 21:27:30 lcuk codes on tablet? May 27 21:27:37 chx: It has ssh. May 27 21:27:40 which is also quite important, i must say. May 27 21:27:41 chx: theres openssh server and client in repository May 27 21:27:48 good, client is enough. May 27 21:27:49 very nicely done May 27 21:27:56 zakkm: He used to, directly, IIRC May 27 21:28:35 You don't type that fast while coding so I don't see why it shouldn't work. May 27 21:28:49 If you get used to the screen, it isn't that bad. May 27 21:28:58 well, first we needed SQLite May 27 21:29:04 I tried coding on an Acer One and that was a pain in the ass. May 27 21:29:08 I somewhat doubt i want MySQL server. May 27 21:29:15 Keys were too small. May 27 21:29:28 small keys are better than no keys May 27 21:29:29 chx: SQLite should not be that hard to port. May 27 21:29:33 chx: sqlite wouldnt in maemo repositories i think , would have to find a extra one with it May 27 21:29:35 yeah sqlite is native May 27 21:29:38 i used it in barcode May 27 21:29:49 is in extras May 27 21:29:49 and i rather not carry a laptop to the gym May 27 21:29:55 inconivinient May 27 21:30:05 carry a bag to the gym dont you? May 27 21:30:13 chx: What else do you need aside from SQLite for drupal? May 27 21:30:15 yeah but thats full with clothes. May 27 21:30:21 jeremiah_: SSH and GPS May 27 21:30:25 apache should do? May 27 21:30:31 chx: You should be all set. May 27 21:30:35 there are two different versions of sqlite that are in extras and elsewhere i think, and need to be careful because they use entirely incompatable DB formats :P May 27 21:30:35 theres lighttpd somewhere if you can use that May 27 21:30:39 I have a stellar GPS receiver May 27 21:30:43 i heard even nginx is ported May 27 21:30:48 yes it is May 27 21:30:51 Blackberry is really good at ssh. May 27 21:30:52 ive used nginx on tablet May 27 21:31:02 wasnt aware it supported sql though? May 27 21:31:03 I used it to control the lights in my house before I wrote a webapp to do it. May 27 21:31:20 I only see http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/nginx/ and 2006 May 27 21:31:22 Why would one use a web server on the tablet? I presume it is just for testing and development. May 27 21:31:35 jeremiah_: automated lifeblog May 27 21:31:47 heh May 27 21:31:54 Why not. :) May 27 21:32:08 i dont know why anybody would buy a NIT to code on it ;p May 27 21:32:18 well May 27 21:32:28 i bought the N810 to have something to SSH from May 27 21:32:31 the rest follows. May 27 21:32:38 jeremiah_: fpp gave a really good presentation at the last summit on using a web server in Python as the environment on which he wrote all his little utils. Gives him the flexibility to have moved them with him from a Psion through a Zaurus to a NIT May 27 21:32:41 I expect to code a lot more on it than SSH May 27 21:32:48 chx: ipods support openssh server and client. May 27 21:32:52 heh May 27 21:33:00 now, listen May 27 21:33:08 * chx takes a deep breath May 27 21:33:19 ok so Apple rants aside, there is no keyboard May 27 21:33:22 mama I'm gonna be your slave! May 27 21:33:28 all day long :) May 27 21:34:19 i dont know, i dont have a n810, got a n800 but i would think sshing from the tablet would be inconvinent and get annoying May 27 21:39:27 zakkm: where can i find nginx for os2008? May 27 21:39:38 you get the one for 2007. May 27 21:39:46 it works fine May 27 21:40:15 or you can add maemo hackers chinook repo May 27 21:40:47 chx: goto http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php on tablet.. at right side search nginx .. and then click the "click to install" May 27 21:41:06 it has php and such in that repository too May 27 21:41:31 oh wow May 27 21:41:55 * chx bookmarks May 27 21:42:00 Though be careful of using gronmayer too much. Temptation can be a dangerous thing ;-) May 27 21:42:05 yeah May 27 21:42:11 dont use gronmayer much elsewhere May 27 21:42:21 old repositories, adding much will really hurt May 27 21:42:26 yeah... you want Mer... and the whole Universe opens up.... May 27 21:42:28 ;) May 27 21:42:38 Yeah, no keyboard is a no go. ENOKEYBOARD May 27 21:42:42 EDUMBAPPLE May 27 21:42:42 lbt: be easy on chx, first tablet just arrived May 27 21:42:47 excuse me whilst I apt-get install slapd May 27 21:43:11 isnt it a problem taht the repo is for chinook? May 27 21:43:21 if he's rooted it then he's ready May 27 21:43:27 i thought the latest os... is... diablo? May 27 21:43:33 Chx: it is May 27 21:43:36 but for nginx its fine May 27 21:43:36 * lbt chuckles May 27 21:43:45 dont go adding chinook repositories though normally May 27 21:45:34 and becomeroot? May 27 21:45:46 get that May 27 21:45:54 chx: there's a rootsh or easyroot in maemo.org Extras May 27 21:46:00 Same functionality; better repo May 27 21:46:10 ~root-access May 27 21:46:11 somebody said root-access was http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access May 27 21:46:14 Chx: you should enable extras repository May 27 21:46:25 sure May 27 21:46:37 dang windowss i hate it ! May 27 21:46:53 i need to use virtualbox to run windows for something :( May 27 21:47:21 Hmm, I should edit that page with a link to rootsh's .install file. May 27 21:48:25 why do i want root,lol May 27 21:48:35 * chx thinks this page is written for non-linux people. May 27 21:49:08 i have a loooooooong linux history back to pre 1.0 May 27 21:49:40 pre 1.0? May 27 21:49:45 of linux kernel you mean? May 27 21:52:00 Does anyone here build armel targets in scratchbox 2? May 27 21:52:29 If so, what's the comparative speed between building for i386 and armel targets for you? May 27 21:55:27 armel should be faster May 27 21:56:36 zakkm: Are you sure? May 27 21:56:56 zakkm: Because I'm building on an Intel machine. May 27 21:57:31 Hi there... I'm looking forward flashing Mer on my n800. Do I NEED a SDCard, or can I just overwrite the internal storage? May 27 22:02:12 internal flash is experimental - sd more tested May 27 22:02:24 this is strange. the Nokia OS2008 has 4.2008.43-14 while my tablet has 5.2008.43-7 May 27 22:02:40 bbl sleep May 27 22:02:43 4. 5. May 27 22:02:48 the first numbers ;p May 27 22:02:55 43-7 is the newest May 27 22:02:57 StsN800, thx for the info May 27 22:03:14 thanks. May 27 22:03:27 zakkm: I'm pretty sure the armel target should build either at the same speed or slower. May 27 22:03:59 I have so many questions :) there is a wimax advertisment on the main screen. did i score accidntally a wimax tablet , lol? May 27 22:04:05 how can i check? May 27 22:09:26 chx: I get that too, it's just there. May 27 22:09:38 ah May 27 22:09:40 pity, lol May 27 22:10:01 http://www.skype.com/download/skype/nokia/ d'oh no newer Skype than this 2007 one? Skype does not love Linux. May 27 22:10:16 шт афсе еруку шы туц May 27 22:10:19 oh May 27 22:10:25 in fact there is new May 27 22:10:26 Yeah Skype makes some pretty bad shit for Linux. May 27 22:10:37 It leaks memory and unnecessarily hits the disk. May 27 22:10:53 I've just accidently installed skype and it looked new for me :) May 27 22:10:58 wazd: Release date: December 19, 2007. <= new??? May 27 22:11:50 thats when they came out with it May 27 22:11:56 not the newest version ;p May 27 22:20:30 rmt_: I've patched out the call to g_regex - it's only in the GIR processing, so might not be needed May 27 22:25:46 Cool. May 27 22:27:16 zakkm: so how do i set up nginx after i installed it? May 27 22:27:55 Chx: ive only installed it and ran it May 27 22:27:59 ive never configured or anything May 27 22:28:06 does anyone here has nokia/ovi account and is able to log in right now? May 27 22:28:11 its the same as ubuntu May 27 22:28:34 chx: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nginx-webserver-in-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron.html May 27 22:28:45 use apt-get though not aptitude May 27 22:28:59 chx: the tablet is "debian" May 27 22:36:01 ok ok May 27 22:46:46 rmt_: armel build for vala 0.7.3-maemo1 has gone through, so assume x86 build OK as well. Testers very welcome - should be in extras-devel soon(ish) May 27 22:47:12 * Jaffa beds now, since work tomorrow. May 27 22:53:05 I ♥ N800 May 27 22:53:10 *sniif* May 27 22:54:27 this is sick May 27 22:54:33 i have php runnin on N810 May 27 22:54:38 Witch one is better Tear, Midori or Webkit for MicroB? May 27 22:55:00 with pdo_sqlite LOOL! May 27 22:55:05 Drupal is the next May 27 22:55:45 vhogemann: Tear is the best browser for maemo imo May 27 22:56:39 Well, I can have both Tear and Webkit for MicroB. Since both use the same webkitlib, right? May 27 22:57:12 yep, but use Bundyo's builds of libwebkit - they're much newer May 27 22:57:48 i must tell you my favourite anecdote about what is a server May 27 22:58:14 our university got a server from a Swiss one, they thrown it out it was too old, so we got it for the low , low price of 50 000 CHF May 27 22:58:39 when they switched it on , it killed electricity in the whole district and they needed to dig up the street to get a new mains for it May 27 22:58:53 and now, this Nokia N810 is more powerful than that VAX 9000 was :D May 27 22:59:13 just awesome May 27 22:59:32 a vax9k would kill you if you got hit with it tho May 27 23:00:27 that would be a superhero movie May 27 23:00:31 hmmm May 27 23:00:34 i dont have a 9k May 27 23:00:36 lifting a VAX 9000? :p May 27 23:00:39 but i do have a VAX7000 May 27 23:00:51 i think my 7000 is slightly faster then my Nokia May 27 23:00:55 forklift \o/ May 27 23:01:03 and beats it pantsdown in I/O obviously May 27 23:01:10 only have a vaxstation 3100m76 spx, you can carry it with one hand :) May 27 23:01:18 a VAX7000 is faster then a VAX9000 btw May 27 23:05:36 lol for the electricity kill story May 27 23:06:13 I remember this teacher at University talking about how they went out for beers to celebrate that their server had 2kb of Ram insted of 1 May 27 23:08:50 hm May 27 23:08:58 copying the last batch of wii games over :) May 27 23:12:08 Macer: wii? on Nokia N810?????????? May 27 23:17:08 haha May 27 23:17:09 i wish May 27 23:17:24 no. it's an actual wii :) May 27 23:18:45 oh i see May 27 23:18:54 i know the wiimote is working with the n810 May 27 23:19:13 haha May 27 23:19:17 wtf? :) May 27 23:19:58 of course a 400mhz ARM Is no match for the PowerPC 750 @ 729 MHz May 27 23:20:00 Macer: yeah May 27 23:20:18 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html May 27 23:21:39 no shit? dosbox is ported???? May 27 23:21:46 Chx: lol May 27 23:22:36 hey May 27 23:22:39 i am oldskool May 27 23:22:42 god I love xournal ♥ May 27 23:22:48 is there a Spectrum emulator :P ? May 27 23:22:57 ZX? May 27 23:22:58 should be May 27 23:23:01 yes there IS! May 27 23:23:04 yeah, speccy May 27 23:23:12 a spectrum analyzer? :) May 27 23:23:15 speccy yes. May 27 23:23:23 this is really sick, lol May 27 23:23:59 they show the guy playing doom with the wii mote :) May 27 23:24:09 nice to see that the n800 has those awesome groundbreaking games :) May 27 23:24:22 chx: has gba emulation too running nicely ;p May 27 23:24:22 Horace and the Spiders! May 27 23:24:23 and nes May 27 23:24:24 :D May 27 23:24:30 zakkm: haha May 27 23:24:31 ohh scuumvm too 100% May 27 23:25:38 anyone got sound running nicely on the vgba? May 27 23:25:51 sound isnt going okay for you? May 27 23:26:03 i thought i was kidding but http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0002350 actually no. May 27 23:26:16 * chx feels 25 years younger. May 27 23:26:21 I dunno if it's a general thing, I only tested FFT Advance, which is a heavy game May 27 23:26:37 but it didn't feel like the whole sounds were there May 27 23:26:37 does it stutter or you dont hear sound at all? May 27 23:26:41 kinda blurry sound May 27 23:26:43 it stutters May 27 23:26:47 yeahh cpu then May 27 23:26:51 yeah, stutters is better. May 27 23:26:59 anything I can do? May 27 23:27:06 you can go into config and change khz see if that helps May 27 23:27:07 I tried lots of different modes and all May 27 23:27:21 lower quality sound, but it might not stutter (less cpu depedent) May 27 23:27:36 do you play with tablet in performance mode? May 27 23:27:42 or ondemand? May 27 23:30:53 I used to play with performance mode May 27 23:30:55 but I reflashed May 27 23:31:01 what's the echo command again? May 27 23:31:54 Bobbe: no idea, i have it in "settings" as a button May 27 23:31:57 onesec May 27 23:32:08 advanced-power applet has it too if you have that? May 27 23:32:25 echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor May 27 23:32:29 is this it? May 27 23:32:36 yep May 27 23:32:41 thx May 27 23:33:15 Was about to paste that after getting to it from tab-completion :) May 27 23:33:30 google is life, google is love May 27 23:33:39 amen May 27 23:33:47 lol May 27 23:34:06 how do I change the khz? It only gives me 'render sound well' or 'render sound fast' May 27 23:34:13 google is your friend. and your slave :p May 27 23:35:41 geez, ppl sometimes just don't get it May 27 23:36:00 some guy around here named his wifi ssid with his cell phone number May 27 23:36:07 his network is CELXXXX-XXXX May 27 23:36:55 Call him and ask him if his refridgerator is running. May 27 23:37:38 lmao May 27 23:38:14 he'll probably ask if I knew he had a refrigerador from his wi-fi May 27 23:38:21 refrigerator May 27 23:38:27 * Bobbe thinking in Portuguese there May 27 23:38:45 why its a prob if the ssid is my cell? May 27 23:38:50 i see no probs with htat May 27 23:39:13 broadcasting your cell phone number to everybody in a 30m radius, in an apartment building? May 27 23:40:01 Could be a way to meet women. ;) May 27 23:40:13 GAN800: over wifi names, nahh :) May 27 23:40:17 lol May 27 23:40:23 1080p purple rain! May 27 23:40:25 hahaa May 27 23:40:28 classic May 27 23:40:35 770 got me a phpne number once. May 27 23:40:50 GAN800, er... how May 27 23:41:11 Macer, that's ok man. No one's judging ;P May 27 23:41:45 Sitting in the student union eating lunch and browsing the web, she came up and asked about it and we got to talking. May 27 23:42:25 heh May 27 23:42:52 it happened to me to, now that I think of it May 27 23:42:53 GAN800: and herr wassss Mrs. Antilles :P May 27 23:43:06 she had an aao May 27 23:43:08 and her name was* May 27 23:43:19 N800 hasn't been nearly as successful May 27 23:43:33 mostly working professionals at airports. May 27 23:43:49 zakkm, my future ex-wife. ;) May 27 23:44:00 lol May 27 23:44:09 future ex-wife.. you plan to marry her than divorce? May 27 23:44:16 then* May 27 23:44:22 er... guys May 27 23:44:30 A phrase you may not have heard before. May 27 23:44:33 what is this kernel with high speed sd support May 27 23:44:38 Joke. ;) May 27 23:44:46 ah May 27 23:44:47 outpo.st/rotate May 27 23:45:00 is that any good? should i install that too? May 27 23:45:03 have a class 6 sdhc for / May 27 23:45:07 so maemo doesn't currently use my class 6 sdhc features? May 27 23:45:20 me 2 zakkm May 27 23:45:47 Class 6 is good May 27 23:45:57 GAN800: should we both install that? May 27 23:45:57 hey May 27 23:46:05 what's the weather supposed to be like this weekend? May 27 23:46:09 But the HS kernel has the potential to make things marginally faster May 27 23:46:20 timeless, where? :p May 27 23:46:21 * timeless_mbp finally found passport and can now pack for flight which leaves in a couple of hours May 27 23:46:39 zakkm, there are potential instability issues May 27 23:46:45 CPH :) May 27 23:46:56 Ah, right. May 27 23:47:06 GAN800, and potential speed gains...? May 27 23:47:33 rain today and sunday May 27 23:47:44 50-65... i guess that means jeans? May 27 23:47:50 Bobbe, marginal to decent. May 27 23:48:04 I see, thanks May 27 23:48:14 and it's quite a shitload of work to reflash the kernel May 27 23:48:17 timeless_mbp, what, you guys don't have spandex uniforms? May 27 23:48:27 You're going to look mighty silly next to the Mer guys. ;) May 27 23:48:28 GAN8001: um, i do May 27 23:48:39 * timeless_mbp was a cyclist in the states May 27 23:48:52 or not, it's just a command May 27 23:48:55 * Bobbe confused May 27 23:49:09 Bobbe, really simple May 27 23:49:14 You can do it from on-device even. May 27 23:49:15 its just a command. May 27 23:49:22 ~flasher May 27 23:49:23 flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher May 27 23:49:39 GAN800: does the device only have one kernel, even if you do clone to sd? May 27 23:49:46 does clone to sd clone kernel too? May 27 23:49:49 * GAN8001 contemplates cleaning up the unread Talk threads. May 27 23:49:55 zakkm, yes. May 27 23:50:02 It's on a partition on the NAND May 27 23:50:14 You can kexec though. May 27 23:50:29 so if i install this kernel .. it will be for jffs2 and cloned to sd? May 27 23:50:46 do i need the patched xserver too? May 27 23:50:49 jan 2008, seems old May 27 23:52:11 zakkm, what is jan2008? May 27 23:52:14 Everything uses the same kernel May 27 23:52:23 the patched xserver May 27 23:52:29 zakkm, last Diablo update shipped in December. . . . :\ May 27 23:52:38 yeah May 27 23:52:51 so should we get the patched xserver, or leave the normal maemo one May 27 23:52:57 dec 2008 though? wasnt it? May 27 23:53:11 yeah May 27 23:53:31 patched xserver - jan 2008 .... 43-7 = december 2008 .. and 43-7 came with a better xserver didnt it? May 27 23:53:37 like xserveer improvements May 27 23:55:24 The outpo.st kernel is the 43-7 kernel May 27 23:55:40 no May 27 23:55:44 the "patched xserver" May 27 23:56:01 not kernel May 27 23:56:18 Yes, the xserver was patched in 43-7 May 27 23:56:41 the outpo site has a xserver link too May 27 23:56:56 should that be installed to replace the maemo one? May 27 23:57:41 * timeless_mbp ponders May 27 23:58:21 so... do i take a jacket which has a passport pocket, or a jacket which has an iPod pocket and a rain hood? (I need my passport, I don't care about iPods, although it does hold my cell phone) May 27 23:58:46 take both :D May 27 23:59:00 don both May 28 00:00:11 melting isn't really on my todo list :) May 28 00:00:38 its in mine for you :P May 28 00:00:39 nah uhh May 28 00:08:40 X-Fade: ping May 28 00:08:41 Warning: Unknown property 'displan'. Declaration dropped. May 28 00:08:41 Source File: https://garage.maemo.org/account/login.php?return_to=%2Fmy%2F May 28 00:08:41 Line: 257 May 28 00:08:58 what's a displan and why does garage think any CSS UAs will support it? May 28 00:10:22 sorry about the joins/parts, something seems wrong with my client May 28 00:19:36 lol: "3:30PM Walt: If Symbian is so great, why do you have Maemo? OP: I've got many... let's look at this demo. N97. I think it's very impressive." May 28 00:20:10 I love that tactic in dodging a question in interviews. May 28 00:26:45 who is Walt? May 28 00:27:22 Bobbe, guy from Engadget doing interviews, I guess. May 28 00:27:39 http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/27/nokia-ceo-olli-pekka-kallasvuo-live-at-d7/ May 28 00:31:40 timestamps are decreasing, but the text is top to bottom, is that right? May 28 00:32:30 Bobbe: you read it bottom to top May 28 00:32:47 i believe May 28 00:33:08 ^ May 28 00:33:12 Confusing. May 28 00:33:22 They should do it opposite of their normal reporting direction. May 28 00:33:53 blah. no more ncis episodes May 28 00:33:55 sucks May 28 00:40:31 looks like you read between timestamps top->bottom, but traverse the timestamps bottom to top May 28 00:40:58 It's confusing. I never know what is comment, who's talking, damn, just gimme the mp3 May 28 00:41:00 I'm not sure what order you're supposed to look at the pictures though :) May 28 00:41:40 * aspect keeps reading "Walt" as "Wait" .. seems like a really eager interviewer May 28 00:46:04 Ah, penguinbait: always keeping it civil and productive. May 28 01:09:50 seen any neat phones lately? May 28 01:26:24 penguinbait: G1? :) May 28 01:26:28 * Macer hides under a rock May 28 01:27:15 and they say I stir up trouble ;) May 28 01:27:49 haha May 28 01:28:15 lol May 28 01:28:31 wow May 28 01:28:34 sorry. i'm losing my faith in symbian May 28 01:28:38 the new skyfire is A LOT better May 28 01:28:48 waiting around for johnxx to see how well mer is workign on a wii May 28 01:30:28 i'm playing buly May 28 01:30:31 bully May 28 01:30:36 funny shit haha May 28 01:33:18 penguinbait, just saw you recommend Console-tools to a user on tmo. Is it console-tools, install-tools, pbeasy? Honestly, I did it manually cause I didn't know which would work with 43-7. That's pbeasy, right? May 28 01:34:11 install-tools = really old.. cant use it anymore May 28 01:34:17 tought so May 28 01:34:29 console-tools has pbeasy + fdisk and such May 28 01:34:29 console-tools = more recent, but is not supported in 43-7 May 28 01:34:38 console-tools isnt? May 28 01:34:41 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh May 28 01:34:45 sorry yes, zakkm is correct May 28 01:34:47 install-tools isnt supported by 43-7.. but console-tools is May 28 01:34:49 that's what I read somewhere in 43-7 May 28 01:34:59 okay, must have read wrong then May 28 01:35:23 s/in 43-7/in tmo May 28 01:35:47 whats tmo? May 28 01:35:52 I never updated install tools for 43-7, I created console-tools May 28 01:36:01 talk.maemo.org May 28 01:36:08 penguinbait, love your old kde358 :) May 28 01:36:26 I really cant want for faster hardware and more ram May 28 01:37:03 hello, penguinbait :) May 28 01:37:05 If the make the screen smaller though, its not going to be pretty May 28 01:37:11 hey bman May 28 01:37:20 penguinbait: why is the link disabled for your boot to kde instead of hildon May 28 01:37:24 i wanted to try that out May 28 01:37:50 I need to update the deb, it will put you into a boot loop if you do it on latest versions May 28 01:38:03 oh May 28 01:38:06 okayy ;p May 28 01:38:13 i thought you did it for some bandwidth reason or something May 28 01:38:36 no its tiny reconfigured script, but they changed some things in maemo May 28 01:39:04 There is some threads on tmo that will walk you through it manually May 28 01:39:12 somewhere? May 28 01:43:23 penguinbait: cool May 28 01:55:54 i see subversion 1.4.6 -- a bit old :( is there cvs, mayhaps? May 28 02:02:53 chx: subversion itself? May 28 02:03:00 or the svn version of something May 28 02:13:44 zakkm: subversion is at 1.6.2 or so May 28 02:13:50 zakkm: and i could cvs while at it. May 28 02:14:15 *use May 28 02:14:32 did you see Mer yet? May 28 02:19:13 Chx: ^ May 28 02:22:16 Mer? May 28 02:22:19 No, whats that? May 28 02:22:45 ~Mer May 28 02:22:45 rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer May 28 02:23:16 chx: what happened is the next nokia version isnt going to work on n8x0's .. so a few people decided to make a distro for the tablet basically May 28 02:23:31 out of ubuntu jaunty + parts of maemo etc May 28 02:24:14 can run lxde, gnome(sloww of course mind you), xfce .. w.e you want, but it would also give you the advantage of having ubuntu repositories.. giving you nice updated packages May 28 02:24:32 newest subversions, cvs etc etc May 28 02:24:33 wait ubuntu has armel repositories? May 28 02:24:38 yes May 28 02:24:49 it went armel about half a year to a year ago? May 28 02:25:04 * chx is behind May 28 02:25:09 heh May 28 02:25:09 thats very nice May 28 02:25:18 theres also gentoo but yeah May 28 02:25:20 for tablet May 28 02:25:39 all unofficial of course, but yeah mer isnt so much day to day / replacement yet .. progress is going very nicely May 28 02:25:50 this weekend is a hugeee maemo event in denmark i believe May 28 02:26:10 presentations, huge halls, talks everything May 28 02:26:51 sorry May 28 02:26:54 its a bit too far. May 28 02:27:07 cbx: heh, im just saying May 28 02:27:11 * chx is in the best place to live in this world: Vancouver. May 28 02:27:15 heh May 28 02:27:19 i live in Toronto May 28 02:28:58 "Vancouver is the world's best place to live, according to a survey by the Economist Intelligence Unit." May 28 02:29:17 and the city wins this for many years now May 28 02:29:22 norway is better May 28 02:29:24 with great ease :) May 28 02:29:54 Norway tends to be a bit on the cold side dont you think so? May 28 02:30:08 yeah May 28 02:30:27 Copenhagen is the 8th May 28 02:30:38 but thats just Denmark May 28 02:30:38 another user here is in vancouver May 28 02:31:10 Toronto is 5th so dont worry :) May 28 02:31:14 lol May 28 02:31:17 i dont **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 28 02:59:58 2009