**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 29 02:59:57 2009
May 29 03:01:50 <marnanel> I have a question about .install files and the garage extras-devel repository.  When I try to install from http://rfk.garage.maemo.org/rfk.install , the app manager scans the repo but then claims there's no package called rfk, which there is.  What am I doing wrong here?  Did I misunderstand the syntax?
May 29 03:11:17 <GAN8001> Got the right dist?
May 29 03:13:38 <GAN8001> marnanel, I don't see it here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/
May 29 03:14:06 <marnanel> GAN8001: it's in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/r/rfk/
May 29 03:14:17 <marnanel> is that bad?  did I put it in the wrong place?
May 29 03:14:33 <GAN8001> Well, what are you trying to install it on?
May 29 03:14:34 <zakkm> GAN8001: extras-devel not extras
May 29 03:14:42 <zakkm> wait
May 29 03:14:49 <zakkm> marnanel: thats fremantle.. not diablo
May 29 03:14:57 <zakkm> you cant run that on the tablet.
May 29 03:15:02 <marnanel> oh, sorry.
May 29 03:15:07 <marnanel> duh.
May 29 03:15:09 <zakkm> thats for the next version of the tablet, thats not out yet
May 29 03:15:23 <GAN8001> zakkm, bleh, typos on r.m.o links.
May 29 03:15:28 * marnanel moves it to diablo and tries again then
May 29 03:16:58 <zakkm> is maemo garage any good , i never check it
May 29 03:17:58 <GAN8001> Good for?
May 29 03:18:11 <zakkm> checking
May 29 03:18:17 <zakkm> seeing latest news/updates
May 29 03:18:24 <zakkm> general everyday "rss feed reading"
May 29 03:18:27 <zakkm> of maemo stuff
May 29 03:19:24 <GAN8001> Downloads is good for software
May 29 03:19:27 <GAN8001> Planet for news
May 29 03:20:18 <zakkm> planet doesnt update often
May 29 03:20:35 <zakkm> ahh i miss the n800 skin :(
May 29 03:20:38 <zakkm> ahh os2007
May 29 03:20:56 <GAN8001> Bleh
May 29 03:21:08 <GAN8001> OS2008 is the only OS that has shipped reasonably bearable default themes.
May 29 03:21:19 <zakkm> is it possible to go back to old hildon-desktop?
May 29 03:21:24 <zakkm> and theme?
May 29 03:21:41 <zakkm> like have diablo.. with 2007s look?
May 29 03:23:25 <zakkm> GAN8001: would http://sse2.net/rotate/ "quick instructions" still apply?
May 29 03:26:28 <zakkm> i get http://outpo.st/rotate/osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb  .. 404 not found
May 29 03:43:26 <zakkm> The following packages will be REMOVED:
May 29 03:43:26 <zakkm>   osso-software-version-rx34
May 29 03:43:28 <zakkm> is that okay to do?
May 29 03:47:39 <Macer> zakkm: i thought os2007 looked rather similar to 2008
May 29 03:47:43 <Macer> or vice versa
May 29 03:49:23 <zakkm> 2007 looks different ;p
May 29 03:49:28 <zakkm> its more stylus than fingered
May 29 03:49:36 <zakkm> and the themes are much different
May 29 03:53:37 <Macer> i ran it for like 2 weeks .. then 2008 came out
May 29 03:53:43 <Macer> i never really looked back
May 29 03:54:05 <acydlord> i still remember the 770 days
May 29 03:54:07 * acydlord sighs
May 29 03:56:28 <Macer> isn't it strange that the secretary of state during the abomb bombings was named burns
May 29 03:57:05 <zakkm> 770 was awesome, until mine wsod and i had no warranty :(
May 29 03:57:08 <zakkm> it was only like two weeks old
May 29 03:57:26 <zakkm> i would of got another but i was scared that would do the same
May 29 03:57:42 <acydlord> i traded mine for a lcd panel after i got my n800
May 29 03:58:22 <zakkm> thats sick
May 29 03:58:31 <zakkm> i got my n800 for a good deal at the time
May 29 03:58:43 <acydlord> i got my n800 for full price
May 29 03:58:48 <zakkm> heh
May 29 03:58:51 <zakkm> expensivee
May 29 03:58:55 <acydlord> was gonna stick with it but i got the discount on the n810
May 29 03:59:05 <acydlord> and then traded my n800 for a bike that wound up getting stolen
May 29 03:59:10 <Macer> n810s are like $200 nowadays
May 29 03:59:13 <Macer> :)
May 29 03:59:13 <zakkm> ive wanted the 770 since it came out in 2005 , like when it got annonced
May 29 03:59:41 <zakkm> and it wasnt until like late 2008 till i owned one
May 29 03:59:49 <Macer> there are like a billion cricket places popping up here
May 29 03:59:57 <zakkm> heh
May 29 03:59:59 <zakkm> wheres here
May 29 04:00:03 <Macer> chicago
May 29 04:00:08 <zakkm> $200 ,which i could afford that
May 29 04:00:09 <zakkm> hah
May 29 04:00:13 <Macer> i think every other day there is a new place selling cricket stuff
May 29 04:00:26 <Macer> reminds me of primeco
May 29 04:00:30 <zakkm> heh rising sport?
May 29 04:00:50 <Macer> yeah. it's going to follow the same path though
May 29 04:00:59 <Macer> sell cheap. build the customer base.. then screw everybody over
May 29 04:01:00 <Macer> :)
May 29 04:01:03 <acydlord> cricket as in the sport or the wireless carrier?
May 29 04:01:10 <Macer> wireless carrier
May 29 04:01:14 <zakkm> ooo
May 29 04:01:17 <zakkm> i thought the sport hah
May 29 04:01:23 <acydlord> ahh, they've been out here for years, they are huge on the west coast
May 29 04:01:37 <zakkm> i use Koodo :)
May 29 04:01:41 <Macer> i lived in oceanside for years and never saw a cricket place
May 29 04:01:42 <Macer> :)
May 29 04:01:44 <zakkm> i live in toronto, canada
May 29 04:02:04 <acydlord> allow me to refrain
May 29 04:02:10 <zakkm> pay $25 a month ( $28 after tax ) i get everything i need
May 29 04:02:12 <acydlord> they are huge in areas where people have bad credit
May 29 04:02:20 <Macer> zakkm: that is how cricket is
May 29 04:02:21 <zakkm> heh
May 29 04:02:27 <Macer> i wonder what type of network they use
May 29 04:02:33 <zakkm> just curious, what happens if yourlike 2 days late on cell bill?
May 29 04:02:45 <acydlord> cricket uses cdma
May 29 04:02:46 <zakkm> my cell bill was due on the 27th and its now the 29th
May 29 04:02:50 <zakkm> i use cdma :D
May 29 04:02:54 <Macer> ah. like sprint?
May 29 04:03:08 <zakkm> cdma is getting huge
May 29 04:03:09 <Macer> maybe they will have wimax support :-D (yeah right)
May 29 04:03:20 <acydlord> yeah, except they only have a few towers or rent time on others and their service is rather spotty
May 29 04:03:22 <zakkm> the next tablet is going to have 3g ?
May 29 04:03:27 <acydlord> lol, they just got data this last year
May 29 04:04:00 <Macer> i wonder why the japanese decided to bomb pearl harbor
May 29 04:04:08 <zakkm> watch the movie and find out ;p
May 29 04:04:10 <Macer> zakkm: it's supposed to
May 29 04:04:24 <zakkm> it does.
May 29 04:04:28 <Macer> zakkm: i am reading on wikipedia.. but i'm actually reading more abouthte bombings
May 29 04:04:47 <zakkm> nobody saw it coming
May 29 04:05:02 <Macer> oppenheimer had a huge head
May 29 04:05:11 <Macer> he reminds me of brain from pinky and the brain
May 29 04:05:50 <zakkm> pearl harbor was a brillant move
May 29 04:05:59 <Macer> no it wasn't
May 29 04:06:05 <Macer> they should have concentrated on China
May 29 04:06:44 <Macer> just as germany shouldn't have opened a 2nd front against russia
May 29 04:08:52 <Macer> 70 million people died during ww2
May 29 04:10:00 <zakkm> Macer: and alot died after the war
May 29 04:11:08 <zakkm> Macer: ww2 caused alot of problems, for one.. Hitler figured out how to counterfeit british money beautifully, and decided to do it, in order to screw up their currency / help win the war
May 29 04:12:13 <zakkm> Macer: http://greenbackvillenumismatics.com/WWIIBernhardCounterfeit.aspx
May 29 04:12:57 <zakkm> Macer: books onit too http://www.amazon.com/Kruegers-Men-Secret-Counterfeit-Prisoners/dp/product-description/0316057002
May 29 04:14:43 <zakkm> made over 200mil pounds a month. and in 1940 that was alot ;p
May 29 04:21:19 <Macer> the size of the United States Navy was significantly increased and after the Japanese incursion into Indochina, the United States embargoed iron, steel and mechanical parts against Japan.
May 29 04:21:28 <Macer> there's the reason :)
May 29 06:05:29 <thux> morning
May 29 06:06:11 <RST38h> mourning.
May 29 06:12:29 <luke-jr> night
May 29 06:13:38 <chx> zakkm: have you managed to get rotate working?
May 29 06:13:52 <zakkm> not at all, ive done it in the past though many times
May 29 06:14:09 <zakkm> i didnt exactly put much thought into doing it this time
May 29 06:16:22 <thux> security experts claim to our leading newspaper reporter that you can see into web-server root just wiping out part of web-address? that cannot be true can't it?
May 29 06:17:00 <zakkm> its not
May 29 06:17:09 <zakkm> -.-
May 29 06:17:14 <zakkm> theres htaccess blocking it
May 29 06:17:19 <StsN800> .seen stskeeps
May 29 06:17:30 <thux> pity that reporters believe everything
May 29 06:17:37 <StsN800> ~seen stskeeps
May 29 06:17:39 <infobot> stskeeps <n=chobits@84.238.11.16> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 30m 16s ago, saying: 'i get angry when the normal browser starts at the moment .. :P'.
May 29 06:17:48 <StsN800> hm
May 29 06:18:54 <StsN800> when did i drop off the channel?
May 29 06:19:41 <thux> 08:57 -!- Stskeeps [n=chobits@84.238.11.16] has quit [Read error: 110
May 29 06:20:31 <zakkm> StsN800: do you use stylus or finger, for typing on n800?
May 29 06:22:12 <StsN800> thux, thanks
May 29 06:22:14 <StsN800> zakkm, mixed
May 29 06:24:26 <zakkm> i meant purely typing, not surfng around/clicking
May 29 07:18:48 <StsN801> random idea: tslib noticing through accelerometer that ones hand with stylus probably moved cos of shaking bus and adjusts accordingly
May 29 07:42:14 <aquatix> StsN801: stylus? O:)
May 29 07:42:24 * aquatix just uses his fat fingers
May 29 08:00:57 <Myrtti> btw is there any ocr stuff for maemo yet?
May 29 08:18:22 * RST38h moos
May 29 08:34:57 <amr> is there a powerpoint viewew for maemo?
May 29 08:40:47 <tank-man> maybe openoffice, or print to pdf from ms office
May 29 08:41:18 <amr> hmm, good idea
May 29 08:41:18 <amr> ty
May 29 09:00:34 <florian> good morning
May 29 09:23:54 <thopiekar> moin
May 29 09:25:22 <Guest97442> rwa mać
May 29 10:02:21 <thopiekar> does anyone know why I get this output? http://pastebin.com/d5d233c42 .. I want to build mixxx of ubuntu's sources in my editor eclipse.. building by dpkg-buildpackage works and all deps are installed by apt-get build-deps mixxx .. so where is the problem and why are there errors although there should be any...
May 29 10:02:31 <thopiekar> http://pastebin.com/d5d233c42
May 29 10:02:45 * thopiekar works on -> http://garage.maemo.org/projects/tabletdj/
May 29 10:03:39 <qwerty12> hannesw: ping
May 29 10:04:20 <hannesw> hi qwerty12
May 29 10:04:45 <hannesw> whats up?
May 29 10:04:58 <qwerty12> hey hannesw, just wondering if you've got your pywebkitgtk stuff uploaded somewhere? :)
May 29 10:06:10 <hannesw> yes: http://www.henso.com/files/pywebkitgtk/
May 29 10:06:16 <hannesw> but I haven't done anything in a long time.
May 29 10:06:26 <qwerty12> No problem, thank you!
May 29 10:06:51 <hannesw> you're welcome
May 29 10:10:34 <sanjay6976> hi
May 29 10:10:58 <thopiekar> qwerty12: aren't you so good in porting? which editor are you using? I'm using eclipse but I have the problem as described above? Can you help me please?
May 29 10:11:59 <sanjay6976> how to install "make" on my N810
May 29 10:12:25 <sanjay6976> i want to run make command
May 29 10:13:09 <qwerty12> thopiekar: I suck at it. I use gedit and vim.
May 29 10:13:20 <thopiekar> k
May 29 10:27:47 * thopiekar hates diablo because of its old version of asound... in fremantle building portaudio19 works.. -.-'
May 29 10:49:44 <Macer> blah. have to install adobe CS4
May 29 10:53:28 <nomis> Noooooo!
May 29 10:53:28 <qwerty12> I installed the CS4 Master Collection a few days ago. Took me an hour for it to finish >.<
May 29 10:57:58 <Macer> qwerty12: yeah. it does seem to take quite a while
May 29 10:58:15 <Macer> but then again i'm installing off of the wifi
May 29 10:58:16 <oDuda> hello !
May 29 10:58:28 <Macer> probably should have copied the image over first
May 29 10:59:36 <Macer> CS4 seems huge
May 29 10:59:53 <Macer> i should have just installed acrobat.. that is all i really need
May 29 11:01:19 <qwerty12> Macer: Heh, don't fancy your chances then, this was an uncompressed 7z with setup running of the harddrive itself :P
May 29 11:01:27 <qwerty12> *off
May 29 11:01:55 <Macer> oh. i'm installing on my mb using a dmg that's on my fileserver
May 29 11:02:23 <Macer> it's been about 15 minutes and it's 1/3 :)
May 29 11:03:02 <Macer> and all i needed was acrobat to tell you the truth. but i suppose i don't have much on the mb so i just decided to install all of it
May 29 11:03:30 <Macer> i have to fly to california tommorrow and then back to chicago in the same day
May 29 11:03:50 <Macer> thank god they're non-stop flights
May 29 11:04:08 <Macer> one flight goes to boston.. then to california from there. wtf is up with that?
May 29 11:04:58 <Macer> and it's cheaper to take that flight than going straight from chicago to california
May 29 11:05:10 <Macer> airlines don't make sense sometimes
May 29 11:07:46 <Macer> never realized how much crap is in CS4
May 29 11:08:06 <Macer> there's like 20 things it installs
May 29 11:12:53 <stskeepsie> harbaum: where in .dk are you atm?
May 29 11:13:07 <harbaum> cabinn in
May 29 11:13:34 <stskeepsie> k, we'll be there later today
May 29 11:13:57 <harbaum> just arrived, checking emails and getting the n810 a little charge
May 29 11:14:04 <stskeepsie> at airport waiting for lcuk,johnx,r_you
May 29 11:14:06 <harbaum> where are you?
May 29 11:14:24 <harbaum> ok
May 29 11:14:29 <stskeepsie> met qgil,marcell earlier  and x-fade
May 29 11:14:49 <harbaum> i thought about joining you, but waiting 3 hours at the airport was a little too long
May 29 11:14:50 <stskeepsie> the last two are making it to hotel atm
May 29 11:19:39 <Macer> nambla meeting?
May 29 11:19:48 <Macer> :)
May 29 11:22:30 <stskeepsie> foff
May 29 11:23:45 <RST38h> ehlo
May 29 11:24:19 <qwerty12_N800> helo
May 29 11:24:46 <qwerty12_N800> stskeepsie: knock 'em dead with your presentation ;)
May 29 11:31:47 <Macer> blah. still installing. wtf
May 29 11:31:54 <Macer> i just need to do 1 thing
May 29 11:49:30 <thopiekar> omfg! scratchbox's "cp" don't know the option "-t"!
May 29 11:49:39 <thopiekar> is there a way to fix that?
May 29 11:51:01 * thopiekar can't understand why sb is that buggy..
May 29 11:53:58 <suihkulokki> thopiekar: umm, you are aware that -t is a relatively new gnu extension?
May 29 12:12:24 <mikkov_> screen d
May 29 12:12:38 <thopiekar> suihkulokki: no.. so I have to edit these two lines.. right?
May 29 12:12:39 <thopiekar> find $(CURDIR)/* -maxdepth 0 -not -path '$(DEB_BUILD_DIR)*' | \
May 29 12:12:39 <thopiekar> 		xargs cp -rlf -t $(DEB_BUILD_DIR)/$*
May 29 12:12:50 <qwerty12_N800> mikkov_: irssi user? ;)
May 29 12:13:17 <mikkov_> yes, and also a screen user :)
May 29 12:13:25 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
May 29 12:23:03 <Pavlov> hrm
May 29 12:25:47 * thopiekar is thinking about how to edit these two lines (http://pastebin.com/d45776a7) so that no "cp -t" will be used...
May 29 12:34:32 <GAN8001> Somebody want to go throw tomatoes at Alexey? :P
May 29 12:35:24 <RST38h> GAN: Which one?
May 29 12:35:34 * RST38h has got two or three in tomato-throwing distance
May 29 12:40:46 <GAN8001> RST38h, for mentioning an iPhone on-list. ;)
May 29 12:41:00 <qwerty12_N800> GAN8001: for using an iPhone to post to maemo-community?
May 29 12:41:03 <qwerty12_N800> Yep :p
May 29 12:43:12 <GAN8001> One should at least have enough shame to not mention it publicly.
May 29 12:43:34 <GAN8001> bergie, any chance on that fixed toolbar screenshot?
May 29 12:55:32 <andrewfblack> Hello
May 29 13:04:06 <stskeepsie> at hotel now
May 29 13:04:21 <andrewfblack> Hey stskeepsie
May 29 13:04:31 <Pavlov> you guys coming to the party thing tonight?
May 29 13:05:07 <stskeepsie> yeah obviously
May 29 13:05:12 <stskeepsie> im sponsoe
May 29 13:05:26 <stskeepsie> red but wasnt on hotel list, lovely
May 29 13:05:50 <Pavlov> cool
May 29 13:05:57 <Pavlov> gonna be good i think
May 29 13:06:09 <Pavlov> the building here is pretty cool
May 29 13:07:54 <stskeepsie> lo lbtN800
May 29 13:08:20 <lbtN800> hi
May 29 13:08:33 <lbtN800> big rooms...
May 29 13:11:42 <KotCzarny> hi
May 29 13:11:56 <fiferboy> lbtN800: Hi
May 29 13:12:17 <KotCzarny> is it worth to upgrade to diablo?
May 29 13:12:39 <lbtN800> hi fiferboy
May 29 13:12:48 <lbtN800> in cph
May 29 13:13:03 <fiferboy> Nice!  I hear there is a party tonight
May 29 13:15:02 <lbtN800> yeah
May 29 13:15:05 <wazd> дщ ьфуьщ
May 29 13:15:08 <wazd> jeez
May 29 13:15:11 <wazd> lo maemo :)
May 29 13:15:14 <Meizirkki> My n810 screen is now even more cracked >_<
May 29 13:15:43 <Meizirkki> ello wazd
May 29 13:15:43 <fiferboy> lbtN800: I haven't been able to find that patch you were talking about, but I did come across a good argument for turning scrollPerPixel on by default
May 29 13:15:51 <stskeepsie> lbt, will be 3 mins late
May 29 13:41:54 <RST38h> moo wazd
May 29 13:42:56 <JesperHansen> Checked in at Sleep in Heaven :-)
May 29 13:43:23 <qwerty12_N800> That name sounds... ominious
May 29 13:45:43 <wazd> RST38h: heya
May 29 13:46:29 <wazd> Vlad told me that Nokia canceled Clutter support for Maemo 5 apps, it will work only for desktop effects for now
May 29 13:46:37 <wazd> Can anybody confirm?
May 29 13:46:57 <JesperHansen> didn't Stskeeps_ decide to go out and eat or did the computer catch a cold
May 29 13:47:41 <JesperHansen> along with lcuk which is Gary.. and...
May 29 13:47:45 <wazd> Cause if it is - that's really kind of unfair
May 29 13:47:50 <StsN800> JesperHansen, yes, just left nørreport
May 29 13:48:09 <StsN800> we couldnt find you so
May 29 13:48:13 <wazd> We spent a fricking load of time to make some cool things with Clutter
May 29 13:48:30 <JesperHansen> StsN800: Said I had to leave you there to go to the other Hotel
May 29 13:48:30 <RST38h> wazd: No way???
May 29 13:48:45 <RST38h> wazd: Drop this shitbomb onto t.m.o
May 29 13:48:52 <wazd> RST38h: well, that was my words, just in russian and uncensored :)
May 29 13:48:54 <RST38h> wazd: Then get some popcorn :)
May 29 13:49:34 <wazd> StsN800: Can you please ask Quim or someone there if it's true
May 29 13:49:57 <RST38h> Although I can probably understand it from technical point of view
May 29 13:50:06 <wazd> RST38h: well, I have an option that Vlad just missunderstood something
May 29 13:50:24 <StsN800> JesperHansen, ah
May 29 13:50:25 <StsN800> wazd, will try
May 29 13:50:31 <RST38h> Somebody mentioned once that Clutter basically locks OpenGL API from everybody else when it is running
May 29 13:50:38 <wazd> RST38h: Vlad said that there's the problem with hildon-desktop or something
May 29 13:50:54 <RST38h> wazd: It may only be true for widgets
May 29 13:51:03 <wazd> StsN800: thanks! Hows cph?)
May 29 13:51:13 <RST38h> wazd: but still it is worth checking with Quim, just to see the expression on his face
May 29 13:52:19 <wazd> RST38h: I'm really ok with canceling functions, shit happens, it's life, but I'm slightly pissed off cause we've done too much work on it
May 29 13:52:30 <wazd> RST38h: especially Vlad
May 29 13:53:33 <wazd> We've made some animated weather icons'n'stuff
May 29 13:53:44 <RST38h> Can't you do this without clutter?
May 29 13:53:59 <RST38h> The easiest way would be to use giflib probably
May 29 13:54:14 <RST38h> (avoid pnglib/mnglib, they are both pure horror)
May 29 13:55:01 <wazd> RST38h: I don't really know, our brains are in "God fucking damned!" mode right now)
May 29 13:56:19 <wazd> RST38h: and I think giflib can help, but it's a load of another work again
May 29 13:56:26 <RST38h> not much
May 29 13:56:39 <RST38h> it makes playing gif animations real easy
May 29 13:56:49 <wazd> RST38h: Clutter is like Flash, you move around objects, transform them, fade in/ont and other stuff
May 29 13:57:05 <RST38h> it isn't like flash because it is built on top of glib
May 29 13:57:05 <JesperHansen> StsN800: I might catch up with you later. Gotta visit some friends first though on the route. Where you at atm?
May 29 13:57:13 <RST38h> flash is easy, glib stuff is hairy
May 29 13:57:13 <wazd> RST38h: Our icons were not just a row of frames
May 29 13:57:45 <woglinde> wazd time to switch to qt and animation framework
May 29 13:57:50 <wazd> RST38h: the were, hmm, like directed actions of tiny parts like drops and clouds
May 29 13:57:55 <RST38h> wazd: Well, as far as moving objects around is concerned, you can just use my EMULib
May 29 13:58:38 <RST38h> wazd: it will even work on a plain fb0 so no changes made by Nokia to high level APIs will ever affect it
May 29 13:58:46 <wazd> RST38h: It's not a big deal to switch or do something instead
May 29 13:59:20 <wazd> RST38h: the deal is to spend much time on something that became useless
May 29 13:59:21 <RST38h> wazd: I think it is painfully clear by now that Nokia does not consider developers a priority
May 29 13:59:50 <RST38h> wazd: It does its own app development and sometimes discloses related APIs to developers
May 29 14:00:34 <RST38h> So, I would not rely on anything high level
May 29 14:00:52 <StsN800> JesperHansen, rådhuspladsen
May 29 14:04:02 <JesperHansen> StsN800: kk, I actually dont really know where that is on the map, but I'll find it. If there's anything I should know that you get to know from here, then give me a msg. on 60128903
May 29 14:04:44 <JesperHansen> Great weather in CPH, there's the Carnival this weekend with lightly dress samba girls. You're all missing out.
May 29 14:13:32 <danilocesar> Are someone here having problems to download GoogleMaps with Maemo Mapper?
May 29 14:14:15 <Corsac> yeah, the url changes sometimes iirc
May 29 14:23:54 <stskeepsie> mm bacon burgers
May 29 14:24:31 <danilocesar> Corsac: gnuit should release a new version so... lets wait
May 29 14:36:33 <chx> So.... is there any offline way to use the GPS...?
May 29 14:38:45 <RST38h> Maps application supplied by Nokia
May 29 14:38:54 <RST38h> or predownloading maps into Maemo Mapper
May 29 14:39:55 <chx> hm, the Maps on the device said '7 days trial'
May 29 14:40:36 <till-> the navigation
May 29 14:40:38 <till-> not the maps
May 29 14:41:16 <RST38h> ignore the navigation crap
May 29 14:41:19 <wjs_ltop> Navit works as well, if your in a location with good OSM maps
May 29 14:41:34 <till-> wayfinder works quite well
May 29 14:41:58 <till-> showing your position and the maps, just the navigation requires a license
May 29 14:42:42 <wjs_ltop> Personally I don't find the GPS functionality as bad as it's made out to be on the N810..  Sure, sometimes it takes a bit of time to locate, but usually less then a minute.
May 29 14:43:03 <mgedmin> if you're standing still
May 29 14:43:06 <mgedmin> it's worse if you're moving
May 29 14:43:17 <wjs_ltop> Navit gives you the navigation function.  And seems to be actively developed.
May 29 14:43:33 <chx> when i start the Map application it asks "continue navigation trial" / enter license key / purchase navigation
May 29 14:43:37 <wjs_ltop> I haven't found the GPS function to loose signal, once it's aquired it.
May 29 14:43:43 <chx> there does not seem to be a "go away" functionality :)
May 29 14:43:46 <RST38h> mgedmin: worked fine for me when moving
May 29 14:43:58 <RST38h> mgedmin: initial acquisition appears to be better when standing still
May 29 14:44:13 <RST38h> chx: Ignore it
May 29 14:44:23 <wjs_ltop> I did find that if you don't have your time set correctly, it takes much longer to aquire.
May 29 14:44:30 <wjs_ltop> signal lock.
May 29 14:45:04 <wjs_ltop> Has anybody tried the new gps daemon that I see available in the packages?  Does it work better?
May 29 14:45:26 <RST38h> it is written in python, right?
May 29 14:45:43 <qwerty12_N800> the frontend is iirc
May 29 14:45:48 <wjs_ltop> Don't know, just noticed it, but was too chicken to install it..
May 29 14:54:12 <qwerty12_N800> Does anyone know if the program that provides the pairing dialog is open source? It sets HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_NUMERIC which is useless when your GPS's passcode is NAVMAN :)
May 29 14:54:17 <coldboot|home> Is there anyone who has been able to get remote debugging working on the n810, or debugging working in Scratchbox 2?
May 29 14:54:38 <coldboot|home> If so, how did you do it?
May 29 14:54:51 <lopz> hola
May 29 14:57:23 <coldboot|home> I've got remote debugging working on the n810, but for some reason it won't set breakpoints in some arbitrary Qt functions, but some others work fine.
May 29 14:57:40 <coldboot|home> Debugging on Scratchbox doesn't work at all, it won't set any breakpoints and the documentation is useless.
May 29 14:58:31 <coldboot|home> It says you have to link in the threading library that your program uses. In my case it's pthreads, but linking that into the maemo custom gdb 6.6 by typing -lpthreads into the Makefile manually doesn't change anything.
May 29 14:59:15 <woglinde> coldboot you could use ddd
May 29 14:59:22 <woglinde> for graphical stuff
May 29 15:08:10 <chx> hey this thingie , even if nothing else, is a great Skype phone
May 29 15:08:23 <chx> pity it does not do video in Skype :(
May 29 15:09:46 <gomiam> chx: true, true... at least it does through GTalk
May 29 15:10:32 <chx> rly? intersting!
May 29 15:13:29 <toggles_w> and with ekiga if you can ever get it to register, yet to make it work with empathy though
May 29 15:29:18 <Macer> samurai gun is almost as dumb
May 29 15:29:22 <Macer> oops
May 29 15:35:32 <mib_n14gax> In gtk2.0 how to find the api reference?
May 29 15:36:45 <mib_n14gax> when i want to find a function's function and find the discription relative to it,how i should do?
May 29 15:39:37 <Jaffa> Af'noon
May 29 15:41:28 * thopiekar is tried of sb1 and all that buggy tools..
May 29 15:42:29 * thopiekar dreams of full dev-environment without stupid 3rd-party-tools like sb1's
May 29 15:42:45 <coldboot|home> woglinde: Have you used it before? It is a graphical bug.
May 29 15:46:02 <chx> Skype cant do text chats while phoning?
May 29 15:48:29 <RST38h> windoze version can
May 29 15:51:34 <thux> does /proc/cpuinfo show current real cpu speed?
May 29 15:51:38 <dneary> Jaffa: Ping?
May 29 15:51:46 <dneary> GAN800: Ping?
May 29 15:55:55 <Jaffa> dneary: pong
May 29 15:58:01 <dneary> Jaffa: What do you expect from brainstorm moderators?
May 29 15:58:21 <dneary> Jaffa: How many, and who do you think is best placed to do it?
May 29 15:59:02 <woglinde> coldboot hm?
May 29 15:59:51 <Jaffa> dneary: andre is an obvious candidate. I'd expect them to be merging similar, trying to keep one item per "brainstorm", closing/deleting spam or abusive things, helping tease out the actual meat
May 29 16:00:16 <Jaffa> dneary: There're a couple of levels in there, but a lot of it overlaps with the exact role of the bugsmaster
May 29 16:00:20 <Jaffa> (IMHO)
May 29 16:00:21 <dneary> OK - so if it's growing out of bugzilla, sjgadsby would be another obvious candidate
May 29 16:00:28 * Jaffa nods
May 29 16:00:36 <dneary> I've been pushing Henri to have the same technical way of operation as Ubuntu
May 29 16:00:58 <Jaffa> Is there a handy dandy URL describing how they do it?
May 29 16:00:59 <dneary> Submitted ideas go into a moderator queue, and get published once 2 moderators approve them
May 29 16:01:12 <dneary> Jaffa: No, I've been looking for their guidelines all afternoon
May 29 16:02:05 <Jaffa> dneary: gah
May 29 16:02:39 <coldboot> woglinde: ddd is just a frontend to gdb, now that I remember, that won't help at all.
May 29 16:03:16 <coldboot> It seems like barely anyone actually seriously writes software for this device.
May 29 16:06:55 <dneary> Jaffa: I think that there aren't any guidelines on moderator behaviour, I'm wondering whether any are needed
May 29 16:13:17 <dneary> Jaffa: I guess I wasn't looking very hard :}
May 29 16:13:18 <dneary> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm/BrainstormModerators
May 29 16:13:26 <dneary> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/faq/
May 29 16:13:35 <dneary> https://lists.launchpad.net/brainstorm-moderators
May 29 16:13:49 <woglinde> coldboot hm are there qt-dbg packages?
May 29 16:13:58 <dneary> http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=276
May 29 16:14:32 <woglinde> coldboot maybee antonio strip to many debug symbols in the packages
May 29 16:14:33 <coldboot> woglinde: Yeah I've got libqt4-dbg installed.
May 29 16:14:37 <woglinde> hm
May 29 16:14:45 <woglinde> then I have no clue too
May 29 16:22:31 <coldboot> It's a lot more complicated than that.
May 29 16:22:43 <coldboot> In scratchbox apparently you have to compile your own gdb and link in the threading library your program uses.
May 29 16:22:53 <coldboot> However there's no documentation on how to do that, and nobody answers questions here.
May 29 16:23:19 <bacon> nobody ever needs to go that far
May 29 16:23:44 <coldboot> If you're writing software, eventually you end up using a debugger to debug.
May 29 16:23:53 <bacon> i dont
May 29 16:24:03 <coldboot> You've never used one before?
May 29 16:24:15 <bacon> yeah use one every day in vb
May 29 16:24:23 <bacon> but in linux and c no
May 29 16:24:43 <bacon> i just code defensively and write many logs
May 29 16:24:58 <coldboot> I've got this bug where whenever you click something in Qt that inherits from a QAbstractItemView (ie any sort of table), the screen flashes and you see tearing.
May 29 16:25:09 <coldboot> It makes no sense at all.
May 29 16:25:37 <bacon> this screen tears anyway for everyone but lcuk so meh
May 29 16:25:50 <coldboot> It doesn't tear in any other situation.
May 29 16:26:37 <bacon> have you got new hardware then?
May 29 16:27:08 <coldboot> It does it on all of the 6 nokia n810 devices we have here, and all instances of Scratchbox 2.
May 29 16:27:11 <coldboot> It's not a hardware problem.
May 29 16:27:51 <coldboot> Writing a simple Qt application from scratch doesn't exhibit the same behaviour when clicking a QAbstractItemView, so it's something with our application.
May 29 16:27:57 <bacon> but the screen refresh tears on all 8x0 devices
May 29 16:28:22 <coldboot> It's not just simple tearing, you see quite significant artifacts on the screen, like horizontal white bars.
May 29 16:28:28 <bacon> of course there might be something emphasising it more for you
May 29 16:28:36 <bacon> lbt had that
May 29 16:28:48 <bacon> he raised a qt bug about it
May 29 16:29:02 <coldboot> Do you have that bug number or a link?
May 29 16:29:10 <coldboot> I wasn't able to find anything related, because this sort of thing is so hard to search for.
May 29 16:29:35 <bacon> i have nothing i am halfway round the world from my house
May 29 16:29:42 <bacon> but lbt is 3 rooms away
May 29 16:30:29 <coldboot> Three rooms away from you?
May 29 16:30:31 <lbtN800> a qt bug... nah
May 29 16:30:54 * bacon bangs on the wall
May 29 16:30:56 <coldboot> I definitely don't think it's a Qt bug if I can't reproduce it in a blank Qt program with a QAbstractItemView child.
May 29 16:31:28 <lbtN800> wassup coldboot
May 29 16:31:33 <coldboot> Hey lbtN800
May 29 16:31:55 * lbtN800 isnt good on n800
May 29 16:32:03 <coldboot> Do you know how to get gdb working in Scratchbox 2 with a Qt app (implying it has pthreads), or remotely on the n810?
May 29 16:32:18 <lbtN800> ah
May 29 16:32:33 <lbtN800> i ran ddd on tablet
May 29 16:32:38 <lbtN800> it hurts
May 29 16:33:15 <bacon> omg more scab
May 29 16:33:19 <lbtN800> i decided qdebug was saner
May 29 16:33:29 <coldboot> Is qdebug based on gdb at all?
May 29 16:33:55 <lbtN800> nah  it's  more derived from prtintf
May 29 16:34:05 <lbtN800> ;)
May 29 16:34:24 <coldboot> So you can't set breakpoints?
May 29 16:34:44 <lbtN800> no it really is print
May 29 16:35:02 <coldboot> Okay that's useless then.
May 29 16:35:42 <lbtN800> heh    ymmv
May 29 16:36:05 <lbtN800> gdb works on tablet
May 29 16:37:23 <johnx> lcuk, get down here ;p
May 29 16:37:29 <lbtN800> k
May 29 16:39:04 <johnx> people are starting to head out
May 29 16:39:09 <suihkulokki> lbtN800, coldboot, qemu linux-user doesn't support ptrace syscall
May 29 16:40:16 <coldboot> suihkulokki: What are the implications of that?
May 29 16:41:01 <suihkulokki> coldboot: gdb, strace and other tools that use ptrace won't work
May 29 16:41:11 <johnx> lcuk, get down here ;p
May 29 16:42:34 <johnx> lcuk, get down here ;p lbt is here with us
May 29 16:42:40 <coldboot> suihkulokki: Why is there a Scratchbox 2 debugging guide telling you how to use gdb in Scratchbox 2, then?
May 29 16:43:06 <coldboot> Here's the guide: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/sdk-plus-debugging-guide.html
May 29 16:43:14 <coldboot> Under this heading: "Debugging issues with Scratchbox-2"
May 29 16:45:28 <coldboot> Are you sure ptrace won't work with qemu?
May 29 16:49:37 <coldboot> gdb doesn't even work on this stupid device.
May 29 16:49:42 <coldboot> It just fhangs there indefinitely.
May 29 16:50:56 <coldboot> No wait, it gets killed and the device reboots.
May 29 17:00:23 <suihkulokki> coldboot: it works in sb2 on x86 targets
May 29 17:09:30 * slonopotamus wonders who he saw today in a bus 495 with n800 ;)
May 29 17:19:34 <coldboot> suihkulokki: That's what I'm attempting to get it working on, however it doesn't work when you have threads.
May 29 17:19:53 <coldboot> suihkulokki: The guide says to link gdb with the thread library you're using, and Qt uses pthreads. I tried that, but I get the same results.
May 29 17:20:09 <coldboot> suihkulokki: Have you successfully got sb2 debugging a Qt program with gdb?
May 29 17:59:46 <coldboot> suihkulokki: I take it you haven't used gdb for a program with threads in sb2?
May 29 18:08:15 <amr> i havent been able to get a gps signal since ive had my n810 lol
May 29 18:08:24 <amr> ive walked to the library which takes 10 mins, and i didnt get a signal
May 29 18:08:28 <amr> i walked back from my exam which took 20/30
May 29 18:08:31 <amr> and i didnt get a signal
May 29 18:08:49 <ShadowJK> diablo with a-gps installed? :)
May 29 18:13:05 <GAN800> How's hacking?
May 29 18:13:07 <Proteous> my n97 should be shipping out today
May 29 18:13:16 <zakkm> GAN800: are you at the danish weekend?
May 29 18:13:29 * Myrtti still wants N96
May 29 18:13:29 <Proteous> complete with super nokiausa.com web bug discount
May 29 18:13:31 <Myrtti> er
May 29 18:13:32 <GAN800> zakkm, nope
May 29 18:13:34 <Myrtti> N86
May 29 18:13:46 <zakkm> are you not going, or did it not start already?
May 29 18:14:06 <GAN800> Proteus, aren't you gonna feel silly if Rover comes out next month. :p
May 29 18:14:17 <GAN800> zakkm, not going.
May 29 18:14:52 <Proteous> GAN, depends on the phone functionality of Rover
May 29 18:14:52 <zakkm> ah
May 29 18:14:56 <Proteous> maybe...
May 29 18:14:57 <Proteous> heh
May 29 18:15:35 <Proteous> but since I got my n97 at sucha steap discount I could just sell it on ebay and make a profit
May 29 18:15:56 <Myrtti> Proteous: how much?
May 29 18:16:16 <GAN800> under 500
May 29 18:16:18 <Proteous> I got $244 off the MSRP and a free $80 bluetooth headset
May 29 18:16:51 * Myrtti cries
May 29 18:16:57 <zakkm> you guys know the nokia 9300?
May 29 18:17:04 <zakkm> 9300 smartphone, with symbian?
May 29 18:17:12 <Myrtti> zakkm: the log?
May 29 18:17:16 <zakkm> http://blogs.ittefaq.com/tech/archives/nokia_9300-thumb.jpg
May 29 18:17:22 <ShadowJK> is that like... Series80?
May 29 18:17:26 <zakkm> yeah
May 29 18:17:27 <Myrtti> oh, that's not even a log
May 29 18:17:59 <zakkm> friend and i got a nokia 770 + that for $120 ... he went and sold that on craigslist for $150 hah
May 29 18:21:09 <coldboot> The n810s go for like $180.
May 29 18:21:18 <coldboot> Oh wait, 770 is different completely.
May 29 18:21:29 <ShadowJK> hey I saw a N800 on display in a brick and mortar store last week
May 29 18:21:34 <zakkm> it was over a year ago.
May 29 18:21:45 <zakkm> im just talking about the phone
May 29 18:21:52 <zakkm> getting cheap and selling online fo rprofit
May 29 18:28:00 * jeremiah_ On the train to Copenhagen.
May 29 18:28:59 <jeremiah_> It will be cool to see people like X-Fade and stskeepsie in RL
May 29 18:29:27 <Jaffa> jeremiah_: have fun :)
May 29 18:29:31 <Jaffa> Have a beer for me
May 29 18:29:32 <jeremiah_> Just hope someone has a charger for my N810 since I left mine at home.
May 29 18:29:43 <jeremiah_> Jaffa: I promise to have a beer for your :)
May 29 18:29:44 <Jaffa> I'd *guess* there may be one or two ;-)
May 29 18:29:49 <GAN800> Who brought a trout to go Nokian bashing? ;)
May 29 18:30:05 <jeremiah_> If there is no beer, I'm going home
May 29 18:30:25 <jeremiah_> GAN800: Trout?
May 29 18:30:35 <GAN800> You didn't hear? It's BYOC. ;)
May 29 18:30:39 <Myrtti> GAN800: shouldn't it be a wellie?
May 29 18:30:40 <Myrtti> :-P
May 29 18:30:51 <GAN800> wellie?
May 29 18:30:53 <jeremiah_> GAN800: Bring your own C?
May 29 18:31:03 <t_s_o> hmm, beta4 of garnetvm?
May 29 18:31:09 <Jaffa> t_s_o: so it'd appear
May 29 18:31:13 <GAN800> Charger. ;)
May 29 18:31:15 <Myrtti> GAN800: https://www.ulkoilukauppa.com/tuotekuvat/2767_reef_green.jpg
May 29 18:31:18 <Myrtti> :-D
May 29 18:31:20 <jeremiah_> Ah!
May 29 18:31:24 <tank-man> t_s_o, you got an email?
May 29 18:31:30 * jeremiah_ is slow in the head
May 29 18:31:36 <t_s_o> tank-man: yep
May 29 18:31:44 <GAN800> Ha, right!
May 29 18:32:00 * RST38h moos slightly
May 29 18:32:16 <t_s_o> hmm, the link is to elabs5.com...
May 29 18:33:02 <t_s_o> sheesh, they want to do the registration loop again?! why not include a "existing user" code in the mail?
May 29 18:33:45 <GAN800> The 5800's inertial scrolling is a cruel joke.
May 29 18:34:03 <GAN800> It's like the page is sliding on sandpaper.
May 29 18:34:17 <ShadowJK> I guess it's an improvement from Tear's accidental light-speed :-)
May 29 18:34:18 <GAN800> I hope we get some trickledown from the N97
May 29 18:34:19 <jeremiah_> Myrtti: Nice boots.
May 29 18:34:43 <GAN800> webkit-eal's is perfect with a small tweak.
May 29 18:34:44 <ShadowJK> GAN800, based on their past performance, I'd doubt it :-)
May 29 18:35:11 <GAN800> ShadowJK, one more thing that thoroughly pisses me off about Symbian
May 29 18:35:31 <tank-man> t_s_o, use your old dl link from last year or whenever, it links to the new beta
May 29 18:35:42 <GAN800> Product teirs should not be software-based.
May 29 18:35:43 <ShadowJK> You know, it's much more pleasant to go from Symbian to Maemo :)
May 29 18:35:49 <t_s_o> tank-man: didnt save the mail from that far back...
May 29 18:35:56 <tank-man> gmail :)
May 29 18:35:57 <tank-man> :P
May 29 18:36:27 <t_s_o> yeah right, and just hand over my personal life to them in the process
May 29 18:37:24 <zakkm> maemo its that hard ;p
May 29 18:37:32 <zakkm> isnt *
May 29 18:38:15 <Myrtti> t_s_o: come, come to the dark side, we have 7.3 gig mailboxes and COOKIES!
May 29 18:38:20 <Myrtti> nowait
May 29 18:38:38 <wjs_ltop> amr: is your time/date/timezone set correctly?
May 29 18:39:16 <wjs_ltop> amr: if you go into the Map application there is an icon like a satellite,  If you click on that It should show you things..
May 29 18:41:59 <jeremiah_> oh jeez, how um, modern. We have a twitter tag for the CPH weekend - mozmae
May 29 18:42:03 <zakkm> the map application is so cool :P
May 29 18:42:34 <jeremiah_> Now crossing over the oresund bridge from Sweden into Denmark.
May 29 18:45:40 <t_s_o> cute, i think garnetvm just crashed my tablet...
May 29 18:46:10 <tank-man> t_s_o, new expiry date is november 30, 2009
May 29 18:47:28 <jeremiah_> -c
May 29 18:47:43 <jeremiah_> And by that I mean /c :)
May 29 18:55:43 <zakkm> theres a new garnet vm
May 29 18:58:49 <ShadowJK> GAN800, the symbian signed thing is however the best part, way to kill freeware software alltogether :-)
May 29 18:59:00 <ShadowJK> or instead of freeware, let's say hobbyist
May 29 18:59:11 <ShadowJK> hobbyist freeware
May 29 19:10:46 <t_s_o> ShadowJK: just like any other level of control, it was put there to stop someone from doing something undesierable, like say a over the air stealth install of some program that would copy the devices address book++
May 29 19:13:14 <qwerty12_N800> It was there because most of the shareware/commercial programs available were cracked & distributed so easily. there must've been quite a few 0days...
May 29 19:13:45 <amr> wjs_ltop, the date/time/timezone are all set correctly
May 29 19:13:53 <amr> and it shows uh, levels?
May 29 19:15:11 <amr> 19:07 <ShadowJK> diablo with a-gps installed? :)
May 29 19:15:13 <amr> pardon?
May 29 19:16:03 <amr> if diablo is version 5.2008.43-
May 29 19:16:04 <amr> yes
May 29 19:16:11 <amr> *43-
May 29 19:16:13 <amr> *43-7
May 29 19:43:20 <ShadowJK> amr: yeah.. installing a-gps might help
May 29 19:43:41 <ShadowJK> you install it, and first time you set your approximate position
May 29 19:44:09 <ShadowJK> there's also something on the forums about deleting nvd_data, might wanna search
May 29 19:48:12 <marcelo_> someone knows why this page is not working? http://test.maemo.org//downloads/d1.php
May 29 19:48:33 <mmorais> ?
May 29 19:49:52 <jeremiah_> stskeepsie: ping
May 29 19:51:17 <Guest0317_390> how to create a .install file from my application for future in download section?
May 29 19:51:42 * Jaffa offs to JavaOne
May 29 19:51:52 <jeremiah_> Guest0317_390: I think there is a link on the wiki about install files. I should look that up for you.
May 29 19:52:05 <jeremiah_> Jaffa How has the JavaOne been so far?
May 29 19:52:23 <Guest0317_390> ok tx i wait
May 29 19:52:25 <jeremiah_> drats, just missed him
May 29 19:59:46 <Guest0317_390> ...
May 29 20:18:03 <Pavlov> mm
May 29 20:25:24 <b-man16> *cough*
May 29 21:01:39 <amr> ShadowJK is this the AGPS beta?
May 29 21:09:14 * b-man16 bugs luke-jr on #anime
May 29 21:23:18 <stskeepsie> jeremiah_: pong
May 29 21:39:59 <luke-jr> b-man16: FAIL
May 29 21:45:08 <stskeepsie> so you made it to the hostel, JesperHansen? :)
May 29 21:45:16 <JesperHansen> yea
May 29 21:45:25 <JesperHansen> There are some pretty hot girls here.
May 29 21:45:35 <JesperHansen> How about your hotel? does it come with girls?
May 29 21:46:14 <stskeepsie> nop
May 29 21:46:18 <stskeepsie> only the one at the counter
May 29 21:46:29 <|R> much more difficult ;)
May 29 21:46:30 <stskeepsie> but yeah, hot girls there probably in your hostel
May 29 21:46:38 <stskeepsie> i'm engaged though so it's not as fun :P
May 29 21:46:51 <JesperHansen> stskeepsie: "Who will know" :P
May 29 21:47:17 <stskeepsie> i will, and that's the worst hell. :P
May 29 21:47:23 * stskeepsie yawns
May 29 21:47:38 <JesperHansen> hmm, free wifi here, but forgot to ask for the access code actually
May 29 21:48:16 <JesperHansen> I think one maemo weekend guy has already gone to sleep here
May 29 21:48:28 <JesperHansen> though I cant recognise anyone in darkness...
May 29 21:48:39 <bacon> are you in the pub
May 29 21:49:34 <JesperHansen> Can anyone write some software for facial recognition for my brain?
May 29 21:49:57 <JesperHansen> Requirement is it must have nightvision
May 29 21:50:15 <qwerty12_N800> Are you unplugged from the Matrix?
May 29 21:50:15 <bacon> jes who are you
May 29 21:50:42 <bacon> i was there b4
May 29 21:50:55 <JesperHansen> bacon: where?
May 29 21:51:00 <JesperHansen> I am right in the café
May 29 21:51:07 <bacon> i was before too
May 29 21:51:20 <bacon> i am in hotel now
May 29 21:52:02 <luke-jr> come play Yandere in #anime !
May 29 21:52:16 <JesperHansen> bacon: I had a bacon sausage with bread on the way here. There's like the perfect combination of shops on the route to here.
May 29 21:52:36 <bacon> its student land lol
May 29 21:52:46 <JesperHansen> <3 student land
May 29 21:52:48 <bacon> but stskeeps warned us against
May 29 21:53:37 <JesperHansen> And thank God he did. Now I have all the chicks and bacon for myself!
May 29 21:53:52 <bacon> mmm chicks?
May 29 21:54:01 <JesperHansen> Actually considered changing hotel, but this might just make up for the 400kr. in difference
May 29 21:55:10 <JesperHansen> Too tired to recharge laptop... Must resist sleeping...
May 29 21:55:37 <bacon> so jasp
May 29 21:55:43 <JesperHansen> Screw it! I'm gonna sleep. See you tomorrow.
May 29 21:55:45 <bacon> are you in student
May 29 21:55:49 <bacon> bye then
May 29 22:05:22 <maddler> Hello World!
May 29 22:05:42 <Stskeeps_> 'lo maddler
May 29 22:06:27 <maddler> how's going here?
May 29 22:06:39 <maddler> I've been for quite a long time... :)
May 29 22:07:11 <Stskeeps_> many of us are in copenhagen :P
May 29 22:07:45 <maddler> hehe :)
May 29 22:09:14 <Stskeeps_> and bloody tired after a long day
May 29 22:17:29 <etrunko> X-Fade: booo
May 29 22:17:54 <Pavlov> very tired
May 29 22:18:13 <Stskeeps_> indeed
May 29 22:18:29 <Pavlov> trying to finish prep for my talk in the morning
May 29 22:21:25 <Macer> have to wake up early tomorrow to fly
May 29 22:21:39 <Macer> i hate trips on airplanes
May 29 22:30:19 <etrunko> talk?
May 29 22:30:24 <etrunko> :.
May 29 22:30:25 <etrunko> :P
May 29 22:30:37 <Pavlov> wlel, really my demo
May 29 22:30:38 <Pavlov> ;p
May 29 22:31:18 <etrunko> Please write down your nicknames on your badges so we can know who is who
May 29 22:32:05 <Pavlov> oh heh yeah
May 29 22:35:10 <stskeepsie> get some badges ;p
May 29 22:35:36 <stskeepsie> bbl
May 29 22:36:05 <Macer> badges? :)
May 29 22:36:44 <stskeepsie> http://dilbert.com/fast might apply to some discussions about device..
May 29 22:36:45 <stskeepsie> s
May 29 22:37:31 <Macer> haha
May 29 22:37:43 <Macer> is that the kind of brief you're giving?
May 29 22:38:19 <stskeepsie> nah :)
May 29 22:39:34 <wazd> stskeepsie: is your Mer presentation tomorrow?
May 29 22:39:39 <StsN800> yes
May 29 22:39:45 <StsN800> in 17 hrs
May 29 22:39:52 <wazd> StsN800: good luck then :)
May 29 22:40:15 <wazd> StsN800: I've done almost all that I could :)
May 29 22:40:24 <Pavlov> heh
May 29 22:40:47 <wazd> StsN800: Can you send me the link to the final view of the slides? maybe I can change something
May 29 22:51:32 <Macer> ugh
May 29 22:51:44 <Macer> what i would give for the G1 to have the N95's camera
May 29 23:31:15 <Fuzzybunny> hi
May 29 23:32:32 <Fuzzybunny> does anyone know where I can find a mac guru to chat with
May 30 00:21:52 <tank-man> Im looking for a hot female to chat with
May 30 00:21:57 <tank-man> :)
May 30 00:25:10 <GAN800> tank-man, you're in the wrong place. :P
May 30 00:25:56 <tank-man> fuzzybunny is too unless his mac question has to do with maemo
May 30 00:35:24 <Macer> haha
May 30 00:56:25 <Macer> have to fly to san diego and back tomorrow morn
May 30 00:56:36 <Macer> then back the same day :) talk about a wasted life
May 30 00:56:49 <Macer> someone really needs to work on this transporter thing
May 30 00:57:04 <amr> ok someone enlighten me
May 30 00:57:11 <amr> i have /media/mmc1 and media/mmc2
May 30 00:57:19 <amr> internal and external yeah
May 30 00:57:23 <amr> but what is / mounted to?
May 30 00:57:27 <amr> where even
May 30 00:57:33 <amr> and where is my homedir stored?
May 30 00:57:46 <amr> where do apps install to as standard?
May 30 00:59:49 <tank-man> df or /etc/mtab (?) will show what root is mounted from
May 30 01:00:16 <tank-man> home is $HOME or ~
May 30 01:00:17 <amr> /dev/mtdblock4
May 30 01:00:50 <Macer> i finished watching all the ncis seasons
May 30 01:00:54 <Macer> i need something new to watch
May 30 01:00:56 <amr> i was just trying to install 'abuse' and it said there is no room left
May 30 01:01:08 <amr> and im looking at df now, / is at 98%
May 30 01:01:20 <tank-man> heheh
May 30 01:01:29 <amr> while mmcblk0p1 is at 10% and mmcblk1p1 is at 32%
May 30 01:01:38 <Macer> amr: you can boot from the sd
May 30 01:01:47 <amr> is it necessary?
May 30 01:01:49 <Macer> and use that as /
May 30 01:01:55 <Macer> probably considering you're almost full :)
May 30 01:01:58 <amr> lol
May 30 01:02:06 <amr> much effort involved?
May 30 01:02:14 <tank-man> no
May 30 01:02:16 <Macer> not really. i haven't done it in a while but it isn't too bad
May 30 01:02:27 <b-man16> http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/category/bmow1/    -- this guy built a 2mhz cpu by hand using a logic board and hundreds of tranzisters lol lol
May 30 01:02:39 <Macer> probably best to use the internal sd to do it .. use an 8G and you're golden
May 30 01:02:51 <amr> the internal, as in the 2gb one?
May 30 01:02:55 <amr> or my actual card i put in
May 30 01:03:13 <Macer> well. i know on an n800 there's an internal sd under the battery and one on the outside.
May 30 01:03:14 <amr> this is an n810 if it makes any difference
May 30 01:03:20 <Macer> it's probably best to use the internal one
May 30 01:03:25 <Macer> since you rarely take it out
May 30 01:03:36 <Macer> i'm pretty sure the n810 has both also.. but not positive
May 30 01:03:41 <Macer> never had an n810
May 30 01:03:45 <amr> not a clue :p
May 30 01:03:58 <Macer> haha
May 30 01:04:00 <amr> things have sure changed since i had my 770
May 30 01:04:13 <Macer> when i had my n800 i had an 8G internal and another one fr the external
May 30 01:05:07 <Macer> after i got my G1 though.. i stopped using my n800 :)
May 30 01:05:20 <amr> noice
May 30 01:06:54 <amr> oh, abuse DID install
May 30 01:06:54 <amr> :s
May 30 01:07:04 <amr> oh it just wont run
May 30 01:07:05 <amr> laffo
May 30 01:07:13 <amr> and its 2am... whoops
May 30 01:07:27 <Macer> have to clear the hd stuff off my pch
May 30 01:07:40 <Macer> lol
May 30 01:08:46 <ShadowJK> / is on the 256MB onenand, /media/mmc2 is the internal 2GB MMC, /media/mmc1 is external SD
May 30 01:09:46 <amr> ahh
May 30 01:09:46 <amr> thanks
May 30 01:09:50 <amr> ive filled 256 already?
May 30 01:09:51 <amr> whoops
May 30 01:10:05 <ShadowJK> So as a tip, keep all your files on one of the memory cards instead of your home directory :)
May 30 01:10:28 <ShadowJK> And dedicate the tiny 256 to installing software
May 30 01:10:36 <amr> yeah thats quite annoying though
May 30 01:10:45 <amr> how do i access the internal card through the file manager?
May 30 01:10:49 <amr> is it actually there?
May 30 01:11:38 <ShadowJK> in file manager you have "Nokia N810", "Internal memory card", "Removable memory card"
May 30 01:11:48 <amr> ill check now
May 30 01:11:56 <ShadowJK> (and "Bluetooth" and "Shared folders")
May 30 01:11:59 <amr> ah so you do
May 30 01:12:08 <amr> my external memory card isn't named, how annoying
May 30 01:12:35 <ShadowJK> if it's a new N810 you've probably for some user manuals, videos and mp3's inside the N810 tree :)
May 30 01:13:31 <Macer> ShadowJK: cups is like 100MB :)
May 30 01:13:49 <ShadowJK> I imagine it would be if it includes all the printer drivers..
May 30 01:13:59 <amr> thanks ShadowJK :)
May 30 01:14:13 <Macer> cups on the n800 was great
May 30 01:14:32 <Macer> unfortunately though.. no openoffice port :-\
May 30 01:15:00 <ShadowJK> I guess you can get that through debian chroot, though ooo is kinda slow even on desktop..
May 30 01:15:03 <Macer> you could run koffice in kde with it.. but i wanted openoffice with cups support
May 30 01:15:04 <Macer> :)
May 30 01:15:26 <Macer> used to use it on a G3.. it wasn't too bad and that thing is a piece of junk :)
May 30 01:15:31 <Macer> i think the cpu was slower than the n800
May 30 01:15:56 <ShadowJK> I actually use gnumeric on desktop too :-)
May 30 01:16:31 <Macer> haha
May 30 01:16:41 <Macer> i know abiword for maemo didn't have cups support
May 30 01:16:49 <Macer> or printing support at all for that matter
May 30 01:17:12 <Macer> i still wanted the .od* support ... ah well. doesn't matter anymore
May 30 01:17:19 <Macer> i will just patiently wait for androffice :)
May 30 01:17:44 <ShadowJK> I have this feeling quickoffice that came preinstalled on my E75 doesn't support ods :)
May 30 01:18:17 <Macer> quickoffice supports ms office 07/08
May 30 01:18:23 <Macer> and rtf too right?
May 30 01:18:27 <Macer> i have it on my n95
May 30 01:18:53 <Macer> which is another reason i wished my damn n95 would work on tmob 3G
May 30 01:19:55 <Macer> but it's ok. once androffice comes out it will all be worth it :)
May 30 01:19:57 <Macer> haha
May 30 01:20:04 <Macer> especially since i got hid working on my G1
May 30 01:20:07 <amr> bed time :)
May 30 01:20:08 <Macer> so i can use a keyboard with it
May 30 01:20:16 <Macer> sleep is a crutch
May 30 01:21:53 <Macer> piece of crap popcornhour nic
May 30 01:22:02 <Macer> they need to make a model with a gbit nic in it
May 30 01:22:21 <Macer> at least it plays videos well :)
May 30 01:23:21 <Proteous> I would get a popcorn hour if the interface was cool
May 30 01:23:32 <Proteous> and they got rid of the stupid popcorn logo branding
May 30 01:23:35 <Macer> Proteous: it's not that bad
May 30 01:23:54 <Macer> branding? :)
May 30 01:24:07 <Macer> why wouldn't they brand their product?
May 30 01:24:15 <Proteous> I like boxee on my appleTV with the downside of the hardware being too slow for 1080p stuff
May 30 01:24:22 <Proteous> I don't mind branding
May 30 01:24:28 <Proteous> just mind their logo
May 30 01:24:29 <Proteous> lol
May 30 01:24:49 <Macer> well. its h264 decoder can play 1080p stuff without a problem
May 30 01:24:55 <Macer> from my fileserver.. it's great :)
May 30 01:24:55 <Proteous> yeah
May 30 01:25:03 <Proteous> the hardware looks great
May 30 01:25:24 <Macer> it's a little flakey every now and then.. maybe once in a great while it might mess up on me. but for the most part i think it's awesome
May 30 01:25:29 <Proteous> I stream dvds and dled TV from my media server to my appletv
May 30 01:26:00 <Macer> i do the same with my pch
May 30 01:26:11 <Macer> i have an old eva700 upstairs (netgear piece of absolute crap)
May 30 01:26:18 <Macer> i use the pch to stream to it
May 30 01:26:19 <Proteous> lol
May 30 01:26:30 <Macer> i use it so my son can watch cartoons on it :)
May 30 01:26:52 <Macer> children are so spoiled these days.. i remember when watching cartoons was a 3 hour window on tv
May 30 01:27:06 <Macer> now they have 24/7 cartoon channels... dvds... files to download
May 30 01:27:27 <Macer> or you had to wait until saturday when the real good cartoons would come on :)
May 30 01:27:31 <Proteous> yeah
May 30 01:27:32 <Proteous> lol
May 30 01:27:50 <Macer> my son is 3 and he knows there are cartoons somewhere
May 30 01:28:05 <Macer> if i told him they weren't on to try to trick him he would look at me like i'm stupid
May 30 01:28:28 <Macer> and use the controller to get to them :) he cracks me up sometimes
May 30 01:31:21 <Macer> i need to set up identd.. later
May 30 01:43:29 <Macer> anybody here set up identd in debian?
May 30 02:26:15 <Macer> hm. hellanzb seems to be going rather slow on the artigo :)
May 30 02:36:22 * rm_you yawns
May 30 02:36:44 <rm_you> time to be bored for a couple hours while i wait for people to wake up and my computer's battery dies like... now
May 30 02:54:11 <johnx> morning
May 30 02:55:54 <CutMeOwnThroat> 10pm here
May 30 02:58:04 <z4chh> CutMeOwnThroat, ahhh central timer i see
May 30 02:58:04 <johnx> I'm on UGT
May 30 02:58:09 * z4chh glares
May 30 02:58:49 <wjs_ltop> johnx: I understand that you have Mer running on a Zaurus?
May 30 02:58:59 <johnx> correct
May 30 02:59:15 <wjs_ltop> hows it compare to running on the N8x0?
May 30 02:59:16 <johnx> I need to polish it up a little and integrate it into the new imager before I want to release it though
May 30 02:59:26 <johnx> it's a lot slower
May 30 02:59:30 <wjs_ltop> I have a 3100
May 30 02:59:39 <johnx> probably about the same speed (or maybe a little faster) than the 770
May 30 02:59:55 <johnx> but the zaurus has an older generation processor, half the RAM and slower I/O
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