**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 02 02:59:57 2009 Jun 02 03:54:41 how do you guys type text with the laptop keyboard in the SDK Xephyr session... Jun 02 03:55:03 is eaten by the input method... Jun 02 03:56:45 in vietnam they based victory on the body count ratio :) Jun 02 04:16:09 i want to devolop handwriting recognization.if i use c++,how should i do. is there anybody who can give me a tip? Jun 02 04:23:23 mib_6a047i: handwriting recognization is done on the tablet itself Jun 02 04:23:41 what would the app exactly do? Jun 02 05:20:21 :( i cant remember my maemo talk account password ;p Jun 02 05:38:51 zakkm, try 123456 Jun 02 05:42:49 is ubuntu on the N800 fast? Jun 02 05:43:46 zakkm,do you have handwritting recognization sample? Jun 02 05:44:37 it only have vitural keyboard. Jun 02 05:45:16 LiraNuna: wow i havent seen you in awhile Jun 02 05:45:33 skibur: why would you want to run ubuntu on the N800 Jun 02 05:45:38 mib_6a047i: you click on the arrow in right corner, and change to handwritten Jun 02 05:45:48 zakkm, yeah I'm rather busy lately Jun 02 05:46:00 hub: you will have full access to ubuntu repositories, rather than just maemo.. which is alot larger Jun 02 05:46:29 zakkm: but you don't even have the space to install them Jun 02 05:46:34 zakkm: so no point Jun 02 05:46:37 trying something different Jun 02 05:46:48 I have diablo and Debian Jun 02 05:46:49 hub: of course you do? Jun 02 05:47:07 hub: n800 you can have like 64gb? Jun 02 05:47:36 maybe i shoud have a look Jun 02 05:48:20 mib_6a047i: when the virtual keyboard pops up, you can switch to handwritten Jun 02 05:49:21 zakkm: was that a question? Jun 02 05:49:24 skibur: deblet? Jun 02 05:49:38 yeah its a question by what do you mean by "you dont even have the space to install them" ? Jun 02 05:49:54 easy deb Jun 02 05:49:59 with Lxde Jun 02 05:50:11 heh thats quite slow method :p Jun 02 05:50:46 skibur: you could dualboot and have mer, and install lxde in mer ;p Jun 02 05:51:13 mer? Jun 02 05:51:18 never heard of it? Jun 02 05:51:21 nope Jun 02 05:51:23 ~mer Jun 02 05:51:24 [mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jun 02 05:51:28 cool it worked Jun 02 05:51:45 i have clone, imaged, on my tablet Jun 02 05:51:46 http://pastie.org/497505 Jun 02 05:51:46 ok Jun 02 05:51:49 its like this alternate distro to maemo . .unofficial Jun 02 05:51:51 anyone cares to read proof? Jun 02 05:51:54 zakkm,thanks for your reply,but i don't see the arrow and switch to handwritting Jun 02 05:52:02 thanks zakkm Jun 02 05:52:04 kk onesec mib ill get my tablet Jun 02 05:52:08 checking... Jun 02 05:52:39 do you have image about it? Jun 02 05:52:58 okay mib Jun 02 05:53:02 you have stylus keyboard up right? Jun 02 05:53:16 mib_6a047i: you have stylus keyboard up? Jun 02 05:54:48 mib_6a047i: at the bottom left is an arrow pointing at a book you click it - input method - handwritting Jun 02 05:55:42 do you mean there is an arrow on the vitural keyboard? Jun 02 05:55:58 yeah Jun 02 05:55:59 bottom left Jun 02 05:56:06 arrow going left and a piece of paper icon Jun 02 05:56:25 you click it, input method -handwirtting Jun 02 05:56:55 i see it Jun 02 05:57:52 http://liranuna.com/junk/IMG_0692.JPG Jun 02 05:58:39 LiraNuna: is that echo? :P Jun 02 05:58:44 you leave it default? Jun 02 05:59:22 thanks for your help Jun 02 05:59:36 zakkm, I like how it looks :( Jun 02 05:59:48 echo wide scrollbars or normal? Jun 02 05:59:52 maybe i have more problems Jun 02 06:00:08 also, that's NOT _MY_ default Jun 02 06:00:12 I got the wimax edition Jun 02 06:00:19 it uses Ilona as default Jun 02 06:00:31 llona? Jun 02 06:00:45 wimax's version Jun 02 06:00:51 same as echo but orange Jun 02 06:00:51 Eurgh. that red version of echo? Jun 02 06:00:58 orange Jun 02 06:00:58 never heard of it Jun 02 06:01:02 it's wimax only Jun 02 06:01:07 apparently not Jun 02 06:01:12 well its in repository Jun 02 06:01:14 Hmm, I remember iliona to be red Jun 02 06:01:18 hidden from application manager apparently Jun 02 06:01:34 been looking for a new theme Jun 02 06:01:36 it's orange. Jun 02 06:01:47 theres a new hildon-theme-borgh but i dont like it ;p Jun 02 06:01:51 its like the Lcars ones Jun 02 06:02:22 is therelike hidden ones , on like maemo garage or something Jun 02 06:03:04 LiraNuna: sweet got it installed :D Jun 02 06:03:38 zakkm, Ilona? Jun 02 06:03:41 yeah Jun 02 06:03:44 ah Jun 02 06:03:47 its accessible from apt-get ;p Jun 02 06:03:52 hehe Jun 02 06:03:58 oh pfft Jun 02 06:04:02 its just orange instead of blue Jun 02 06:04:22 I said ... Jun 02 06:04:25 same as echo but orange Jun 02 06:04:34 also there's a new background image Jun 02 06:04:49 staying with tritanium i guess then Jun 02 06:05:55 pix? Jun 02 06:06:15 ? Jun 02 06:06:22 any pictures? Jun 02 06:06:26 Nokia put out a valentine theme once.. probably where I got red from Jun 02 06:06:30 http://synthesize.us/images/1/12/Tritanium_home.png Jun 02 06:06:49 http://synthesize.us/images/4/49/Tritanium_file2.png Jun 02 06:06:53 LiraNuna: you never seen it? Jun 02 06:07:03 no, I got my N810WE for like, 3 weeks now Jun 02 06:07:03 qwerty12_N800: heh, how long you been using maemo? Jun 02 06:07:23 what did you have before that? Jun 02 06:07:48 about a year and some months, and I had a pocket pc before the N800 :) Jun 02 06:08:00 LiraNuna: shoulda just got a N810 normal Jun 02 06:08:09 luke-jr, it was free Jun 02 06:08:14 I don't see any chance of WE being supported Jun 02 06:08:23 even N810 support is spotty Jun 02 06:08:27 yeah :( Jun 02 06:08:31 is it? Jun 02 06:08:33 it was free, so oh well Jun 02 06:08:33 nice Jun 02 06:08:38 howd you get it free? Jun 02 06:08:41 what are the spots? Jun 02 06:08:50 mer, how long does it take to install? Jun 02 06:08:53 zakkm, long story.. Jun 02 06:08:58 CutMeOwnThroat: keyboard and GPS right now Jun 02 06:09:13 keyboard seems fine to me... Jun 02 06:09:28 CutMeOwnThroat: you're using a Linux that isn't over 2 years old? Jun 02 06:09:32 but I noticed no software to use the camera (except the phone-stuff) was installed Jun 02 06:10:00 CutMeOwnThroat: you install camera.. from repostitories Jun 02 06:10:11 but it's based on a distribution that's far > 10 years :) Jun 02 06:10:34 zakkm, yeah, I did... those seemed prone to crashing, though Jun 02 06:10:44 N810 keyboard doesn't work usably in 2.6.30 Jun 02 06:11:01 and nobody with the know-how to fix it has a N810 as far as I can tell Jun 02 06:11:08 CutMeOwnThroat: use liqbase - works awesome for the camera Jun 02 06:11:30 why'd lcuk make the camera tiled in liqbase? Jun 02 06:11:36 luke-jr, the keyboard needs a special kernel-module? Jun 02 06:11:47 CutMeOwnThroat: it has its own driver, yes Jun 02 06:11:57 zakkm: no idea but the picture isn't tiled Jun 02 06:11:58 pretty ugly code, actually Jun 02 06:12:00 qwerty12_N800, will have a look... Jun 02 06:12:18 anyone cares to proof read? http://pastie.org/497505 Jun 02 06:12:27 I still need the scratchbox2 part :/ Jun 02 06:12:27 luke-jr, any reason to go away from the 2.6.21 kernel, though? Jun 02 06:12:34 CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, plenty Jun 02 06:12:36 LiraNuna: i tried, link doesnt work though? Jun 02 06:12:39 working wifi, sound, etc Jun 02 06:12:42 zakkm, which link? Jun 02 06:12:44 and 2.6.21 is ANCIENT Jun 02 06:12:52 eh! Jun 02 06:12:54 LiraNuna: pastie one Jun 02 06:12:59 I still got a server that runs 2.4.X Jun 02 06:13:00 works here? Jun 02 06:13:04 just used it Jun 02 06:13:06 CutMeOwnThroat: that's insane Jun 02 06:13:06 pastie itself doesnt work for me? Jun 02 06:13:09 could you pastebin it? :P Jun 02 06:13:13 uh sure Jun 02 06:13:18 does 2.4.x even get security patches still? Jun 02 06:13:21 sorry, i swear its not loading Jun 02 06:13:35 http://pastebin.com/m5f2999e4 for those whore can't use pastie Jun 02 06:13:41 here we go :D Jun 02 06:14:14 I'm currently following this guide and canadian cross compiling GCC for windows from Linux :D Jun 02 06:14:28 LiraNuna: development for maemo has stopped, except maemo 5... and mer doesnt use scratchbox Jun 02 06:14:39 (oh Jun 02 06:14:43 what does mer use? Jun 02 06:14:49 as in, how does development go? Jun 02 06:14:49 opensuse build service Jun 02 06:14:54 LiraNuna: this is what I meant by no support :p Jun 02 06:14:55 what about debug Jun 02 06:15:04 luke-jr, I know :( Jun 02 06:15:10 no idea, but its scratchbox-free Jun 02 06:15:25 dunno if it gets security updates... it's actually already updated but not rebooted Jun 02 06:15:27 if I can document it, I'd love to help being the SDK maintainer Jun 02 06:15:57 LiraNuna: I've done packages for Mer just using the X terminal Jun 02 06:16:18 luke-jr, and what's the problem with gps - same? Jun 02 06:16:25 err.. the normal way of doing it Jun 02 06:16:38 CutMeOwnThroat: no, much worse Jun 02 06:16:49 CutMeOwnThroat: GPS has basically no real support at all Jun 02 06:17:06 I mean ... same in the sense that the driver didn't get adapted to 2.6.30 Jun 02 06:17:07 Maemo used an ugly Maemo-specific blob Jun 02 06:17:17 on the kernel side, GPS is a mere UART Jun 02 06:18:15 oh Jun 02 06:18:21 microphone doesn't seem to work in 2.6.30 either Jun 02 06:18:33 but it didn't really work in 2.6.21 either Jun 02 06:18:42 luke-jr: how goes gentoo? :P Jun 02 06:18:55 zakkm: kdelibs is being a jerk Jun 02 06:19:18 ah, I remember Jun 02 06:19:31 kdelibs.. that would take foreverr to compile Jun 02 06:19:49 zakkm: when it fails inside qemu and runs out of memory linking on the tablet... yes Jun 02 06:19:50 what was the problem with the micro in 2.6.21? Jun 02 06:20:00 CutMeOwnThroat: audio in 2.6.21 was just screwed in general Jun 02 06:20:12 I only once tried to phone someone.. and yes, they had problems hearing me... but I thought it was just the wireless Jun 02 06:20:15 no idea how Maemo used it, it doesn't work with normal ALSA Jun 02 06:20:35 don't think I ever used the micro at any other time Jun 02 06:20:37 luke-jr: you should check maemo sdk ;p Jun 02 06:20:43 why Jun 02 06:20:48 CutMeOwnThroat: the mic on it is perfect, ive found Jun 02 06:20:56 n800 here Jun 02 06:21:03 zakkm: N800 has a different mic Jun 02 06:21:08 or at least different setup for it Jun 02 06:21:16 than n810? Jun 02 06:21:24 yeah Jun 02 06:21:33 ah Jun 02 06:21:33 N810 mic is on the bottom edge Jun 02 06:21:37 N800 mic is on the top Jun 02 06:21:51 lol Jun 02 06:22:00 that's not a "different mic" as such, though Jun 02 06:22:19 CutMeOwnThroat: presumably there was a reason to move it? Jun 02 06:22:23 it depends on chipset, and whether theres physical stuff blocking it making it weaker Jun 02 06:22:31 oh, but actually now that you say that, I think I finally found the micro hole Jun 02 06:22:46 hehe Jun 02 06:22:49 luke-jr: ah, but you've got sound - N800 driver was removed iirc because it needs an update. I'd be happy to hear if that's not the case anymore... Jun 02 06:22:50 well, that IS a weird place to have it Jun 02 06:23:11 it's underneath that little metal stand? Jun 02 06:23:23 CutMeOwnThroat: also, as qwerty12_N800 just confirmed, N800 and N810 use different drivers Jun 02 06:23:27 yeah Jun 02 06:23:39 morning Jun 02 06:23:45 well, that's smart... bet a microphone works a hell lot better when you cover it up :) Jun 02 06:23:53 XD Jun 02 06:24:10 to be fair, only about 10-20% are covered, though Jun 02 06:24:33 etiher way, it doesn't work yet Jun 02 06:24:38 but no big wonder I was never able to find it Jun 02 06:24:52 I thoguht it was the thing on top of the webcam Jun 02 06:24:58 seemed the obvious place for it -.- Jun 02 06:25:22 yeah, that's what I also thought Jun 02 06:25:27 but that's... a flash? Jun 02 06:25:33 I light sensor I think Jun 02 06:25:36 to auto-adjust contrast Jun 02 06:25:43 or an autofocus light? Jun 02 06:25:53 nah, light sensor Jun 02 06:25:56 never seen it light up Jun 02 06:25:59 ambient light sensor or something Jun 02 06:26:06 err... why'd you need something but the camera itself for that? Jun 02 06:26:07 it's used to auto-adjust brightness Jun 02 06:26:17 CutMeOwnThroat: camera uses more power? Jun 02 06:26:40 eh? it's on anyway when you need to adjust brightness? Jun 02 06:26:42 CutMeOwnThroat: You've used the camera right? Jun 02 06:26:57 CutMeOwnThroat: display brightness, not camera brightness Jun 02 06:27:04 not so often... as I said... stuff crashed Jun 02 06:27:22 * luke-jr ponders if the camera works in 2.6.30 Jun 02 06:27:25 hm, ok, that would make sense, but I've not seen that happen Jun 02 06:27:30 me either tbh Jun 02 06:27:48 (I mean light-dependent change of display intensity) Jun 02 06:28:28 maybe Stskeeps should see if quim has a 3rd N810 to donate that can go to someone in kernel dev :> Jun 02 06:28:43 we desperately need someone with the ability to fix support and mainline it Jun 02 06:28:46 qwerty12_N800, I usually stop playing with the software that leads to a crash rather quickly :) Jun 02 06:29:03 Heh, fair point :) Jun 02 06:29:06 well, but if I gave my one away, I wouldn't have it anymore and wouldn't profit from the improvement Jun 02 06:29:15 no way! Jun 02 06:29:39 CutMeOwnThroat: that's why I was talking about getting Nokia to donate one for the purpose Jun 02 06:29:48 luke-jr: i just think general support for tablets in general are needed Jun 02 06:30:11 Stskeeps: the only real flaws in 2.6.30 that I can see are N810-specific Jun 02 06:30:26 luke-jr: well you didn't test on a n800 :P Jun 02 06:30:33 * CutMeOwnThroat . o O ( good choice then, CutMeOwnThroat ) Jun 02 06:30:48 Stskeeps: nope, but N800 doesn't *have* a keyboard or GPS Jun 02 06:30:56 anyway Jun 02 06:31:07 it's got that radio, though, no? Jun 02 06:31:09 i can't imagine why anyone would do a mainlining without 1) lots of time 2) cash Jun 02 06:31:10 :P Jun 02 06:31:15 you would have found SOMETHING :) Jun 02 06:31:56 luke-jr: anyway, n810's are in a decent price range atm Jun 02 06:32:31 qwerty12_N800, "fullscreen starfield screensaver" wtf has that to do with the camera? you said liqbase... didn't you? Jun 02 06:32:37 night Jun 02 06:32:54 CutMeOwnThroat: You've actually been to the menu yet? Jun 02 06:33:03 (hint, give it a tap) Jun 02 06:33:16 no, the fscking wireless of the university doesn't extend into my office Jun 02 06:33:28 so I can't install while here Jun 02 06:37:56 liqbase is awesomeee Jun 02 06:40:05 zakkm, now imaging it with the MBX working... Jun 02 06:40:34 yeah, it'll be interesting to see if it goes ahead Jun 02 06:40:37 it sounded decent atm Jun 02 06:41:07 Stskeeps, how does development to mer is done? Jun 02 06:41:13 if that fails: next step: license jazelle :P Jun 02 06:41:14 Stskeeps, mer "SDK" Jun 02 06:41:22 qwerty12_N800, lmao Jun 02 06:42:01 LiraNuna: you develop in either a X86 chroot or VMDK with the whole maemo system running, and then when your package is done and tested, you submit it to OBS and it gives you nice armel packages (building locally or on a farm) Jun 02 06:42:16 without any fuss whatsoever beyond that Jun 02 06:42:35 you can also code directly on device Jun 02 06:42:35 oh wow, canadian cross'ing GCC for winblows works Jun 02 06:42:51 anyone wants to test GCC 4.4 targeting maemo on windows? Jun 02 06:43:23 liqbase dude might be interested in a newer GCC, Jun 02 06:43:33 Stskeeps: how goes finger keyboard support? :) Jun 02 06:43:34 GCC 3.x -> GCC 4.x is leaps ahead Jun 02 06:43:38 zakkm: not sure, code it? Jun 02 06:43:39 :P Jun 02 06:43:39 LiraNuna: he goes by lcuk :) Jun 02 06:43:45 zakkm, ooh Jun 02 06:43:47 Stskeeps: i cant code :) Jun 02 06:43:52 ooooh lcuk2 Jun 02 06:44:00 i can somewhat read code, but i failed computer science in school Jun 02 06:44:26 anyone wants GCC 4.4 for winblows targeting maemo4? Jun 02 06:44:41 LiraNuna: not many devs here use winblows ;p Jun 02 06:44:46 great Jun 02 06:44:55 what about build instructions for linux then :) Jun 02 06:45:49 you could put in developers part of maemo talk :P Jun 02 06:47:32 I don't put unfinished/untested stuff in forums Jun 02 06:47:33 :P Jun 02 07:20:10 i want to use dynamic library,which code sample i shoud see? Jun 02 07:20:17 anybody Jun 02 07:32:12 mib_6a047i, there are numerous examples on the net for dynamic linking with .so files, you dont need a specific maemo one Jun 02 07:32:30 LiraNuna, that sounds quite cool, but what about lib support Jun 02 07:32:42 zakkm, yes it is lol :D Jun 02 07:33:24 zakkm, ive been thinking about what you said last night and I might just have a plan.. Jun 02 07:33:26 lcuk: about to go use liqbase in about 5-10min after i finish encoding mer maemo conference vid Jun 02 07:33:32 what did i say last night? Jun 02 07:33:45 yes, i havent got time now lol Jun 02 07:33:55 ? Jun 02 07:33:56 but it involves your offer to build a package from liqbase Jun 02 07:34:03 for the nightlies Jun 02 07:34:04 oh that was last night for you? Jun 02 07:34:06 hah Jun 02 07:34:16 its still the same day for me , i havent slept yet ( im 5 hours before you ) Jun 02 07:34:17 yes i woke up Jun 02 07:34:31 lcuk, lib support? Jun 02 07:35:03 since i do dev on the device - it would help if i could carry on myself as i do and let others who have full dev env setup to do package Jun 02 07:35:06 lcuk: i meant nightly / semi-nightly deb too not just the one Jun 02 07:35:19 yes zakkm thats what i meant as well Jun 02 07:35:49 its a pain in the ass for me to build a package and i cant get autotools or dpkg working easily on tablet Jun 02 07:36:20 we have basic package source running now - in the next few days i will finish getting it in shape etc Jun 02 07:36:58 LiraNuna, you said gcc4 stuff on windows Jun 02 07:37:09 yes Jun 02 07:37:10 not all libs are available on windows Jun 02 07:37:14 eh Jun 02 07:37:19 it targets MAEMO Jun 02 07:37:23 a cross compiler Jun 02 07:37:25 heh should use cygwin Jun 02 07:37:34 nahhh i prefer the device itself ;) Jun 02 07:38:09 LiraNuna, it does sound interesting - it would cut out major problems for me Jun 02 07:38:16 :) Jun 02 07:38:31 GCC 4.4 cross compiler for windows or linux Jun 02 07:38:35 targets maemo Jun 02 07:38:48 lcuk: ive never acutally added anything to extras / extras-devel..but is it just a matter of naming and uploading.. and waiting? Jun 02 07:39:17 who runs it? Jun 02 07:39:21 zakkm, when i get back tonight im gonna fill in an app for libliqbase on garage Jun 02 07:39:36 lcuk, let me upload a 7z Jun 02 07:39:56 oh cool found "uploading to extras" wiki page Jun 02 07:40:08 LiraNuna, im not in any position to do anything right now but send me a mail at liquid@gmail.com and ill look tonight Jun 02 07:40:14 There is a new Tegra-based tablet coming out Jun 02 07:40:27 lcuk, oh, no problem Jun 02 07:40:27 oooh liqbase should run really fast on that (H) Jun 02 07:40:54 lcuk: I do not think so, the main CPU is kinda weak Jun 02 07:41:02 its super fast on omap2 already ... Jun 02 07:41:13 and runs on baconfat on omap3 Jun 02 07:41:26 and goes into orbit on x86 Jun 02 07:42:01 if anyone's interested: http://www.liranuna.com/junk/arm-linux-gnueabi.w32.7z Jun 02 07:42:09 * lcuk wonders what kind of analogy i could use for tegra Jun 02 07:42:27 lcuk, omap Jun 02 07:43:19 lcuk: who controls extras-devel repo? Jun 02 07:43:35 maemo does Jun 02 07:43:44 like nobody on irc? Jun 02 07:44:00 yeah some of the overlords exist Jun 02 07:44:05 but i dunno Jun 02 07:44:11 im off to work \o cyas later Jun 02 07:44:17 cya! Jun 02 07:44:27 if anyone wants to build his/her own version on Linux, here's a (beta) guide: http://pastie.org/497505 Jun 02 07:44:45 version of linux? Jun 02 07:44:47 distro? :P Jun 02 07:45:02 lcuk: BACON: http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6651997,00.jpg Jun 02 07:45:16 LiraNuna, does this pastie expire ? Jun 02 07:45:22 no idea Jun 02 07:45:28 thx for mail, im gonna c&p it lol Jun 02 07:45:35 np Jun 02 07:45:48 please note that canadian cross compiling (what I did) is harder Jun 02 07:45:57 compilingon linux (for linux) is much easier Jun 02 07:46:17 yeah targeting canadian binaries is harder than european ones Jun 02 07:46:46 :) Jun 02 07:47:07 haha Jun 02 07:47:24 The term Canadian Cross came about because at the time that these issues were all being hashed out, Canada had three national political parties. Jun 02 07:47:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_compiler#Canadian_Cross Jun 02 07:48:05 there are 5 now Jun 02 07:48:10 going to bed, goodnight! Jun 02 07:48:18 only 4 with seats Jun 02 07:48:26 in the house of commons Jun 02 08:09:54 Tegra-based Mobinnova Èlan running Windows CE rocks our world Jun 02 08:10:01 Windows CE. Eeeek. Jun 02 08:17:55 yay, hello kitty photo frames Jun 02 08:23:18 Sts: Inform Myrtti right away =) Jun 02 08:26:13 lulwhut? Jun 02 08:27:09 Myrtti: hello Kitty picture frames! Jun 02 08:27:19 whutwhere? Jun 02 08:28:53 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/02/sanrio-announces-two-hello-kitty-digital-photo-frames-one-child/ Jun 02 08:28:55 * RST38h hides Jun 02 08:30:08 ewww Jun 02 08:30:12 that's fugly Jun 02 08:32:38 Not according to Sanrio execs =) Jun 02 08:33:09 look like a pink n800... Jun 02 08:35:41 Anybody knows if there's a libgmp3 for Maemo? I see some traces of it in builder log, but it's not in any of the official repos... Jun 02 08:45:56 Stskeeps: you are there? Jun 02 09:02:03 zap: dunno, but it builds without any patching Jun 02 09:02:39 I'm just interested what was the reason to remove it from repository Jun 02 09:03:03 perhaps the f*d US regulations about cryptography Jun 02 09:05:32 Haven't restrictions on SSL code been lifted already? Jun 02 09:05:50 is N810 usb cable micro usb B or A? Jun 02 09:05:51 :p Jun 02 09:07:08 micro USB B Jun 02 09:07:35 Anyone filed a bug about Maemo.org header being two different sizes when you logged in and when not? Jun 02 09:08:03 zap: thanks Jun 02 09:08:05 RST38h: You seem to see a lot of strange things that I really can't reproduce? Jun 02 09:08:28 zap: I'm not sure it was ever in there actually Jun 02 09:08:30 Stskeeps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Types_of_USB_connector Jun 02 09:08:44 lardman: see this log: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/Sep.2008/guile-1.8_1.8.5+1-4maemo1/armel.root.log.OK.txt Jun 02 09:08:49 RST38h: Did you change your default font or somthing like that? Jun 02 09:09:02 *size Jun 02 09:10:06 zap: oh yeah Jun 02 09:10:27 *shrug* Jun 02 09:12:25 libgmp3c2 2:4.2.2+dfsg-3 Jun 02 09:12:29 looks like a Nokia package Jun 02 09:13:45 X-Fade: That does not necessarily mean that I am not seeing things :) Jun 02 09:14:04 X-Fade: No, FF3, normally sized fonts Jun 02 09:14:13 X-Fade: Should I investigate a bit more and report? Jun 02 09:14:32 RST38h: No, I'm not saying that. But it looks like something is up at your end (settings or something else?) Jun 02 09:14:36 It is minor but bugs me by its subtlety Jun 02 09:14:52 X-Fade: Oh, it occurs on both my home and work machines Jun 02 09:14:58 RST38h: Hmmm. Jun 02 09:15:11 X-Fade: So it is NOT something on my end (and neither is the login problems) Jun 02 09:15:20 s/s// Jun 02 09:15:21 RST38h meant: X-Fade: So it i NOT something on my end (and neither is the login problems) Jun 02 09:15:35 RST38h: Can you create a screenshot? Jun 02 09:15:51 X-Fade: Will attach to bug report Jun 02 09:15:55 ok. Jun 02 09:15:59 hmm, funny Jun 02 09:16:16 when I log in with a bad username/password, the page suddenly enlarges a bit Jun 02 09:16:22 like if I would set 125% zoom\ Jun 02 09:16:24 exactly Jun 02 09:16:31 and after a couple seconds it jumps back to 100% Jun 02 09:16:36 with no actions on my side Jun 02 09:16:50 So it is the authentication page? Jun 02 09:17:00 this is http://maemo.org Jun 02 09:17:15 hmm, my login/password doesnt work as well :) Jun 02 09:17:53 FF3 here too Jun 02 09:18:10 let me file it, with a few screenshots Jun 02 09:18:49 Stskeeps: actually it's "micro AB" Jun 02 09:18:53 .. AB? Jun 02 09:19:04 yes Jun 02 09:19:10 A is for host, B is for device plug Jun 02 09:19:17 AB is for USB-on-the-go Jun 02 09:19:24 Nokia can act both as host and device Jun 02 09:19:50 you can plug both USB micro-B and USB micro-A plugs into AB Jun 02 09:19:52 ok Jun 02 09:20:02 does anyone have a problem with no feedback for the 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' feature of planet maemo? I never know if it has registered or not. Jun 02 09:20:09 i just hope the ones i just ordered are ok :P Jun 02 09:20:17 amie: there is a bug report for that Jun 02 09:20:24 Jamie: it should light 'em up Jun 02 09:20:44 Ah OK RST38h. Jun 02 09:21:02 is media player source avail? Jun 02 09:21:08 shit, I restarted FF and now I am logged in but the Midgard bar is gone Jun 02 09:21:27 i could reduce suckage without adding bloat Jun 02 09:21:32 heh Jun 02 09:21:43 what is midgard Jun 02 09:24:00 minra-: http://www.midgard-project.org Jun 02 09:25:27 ahh Jun 02 09:25:56 minra-: Its what maemo.org runs on Jun 02 09:26:08 X-Fade: 4613 Jun 02 09:26:14 RST38h: Ok, thanks Jun 02 09:26:23 zap: it's just the standard package name actually: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libgmp3c2 Jun 02 09:27:31 good morning Jun 02 09:27:40 RST38h: So the register button is zoomed when not logged in? Jun 02 09:27:43 hi florian Jun 02 09:27:57 RST38h: Or stretched.. Jun 02 09:31:51 RST38h: I can only trigger that kind of zooming when I use ctrl + ? Jun 02 09:35:47 X-Fade, your human macro zoom should work without pressing CTRL, just move closer to the page :P Jun 02 09:37:11 (hiya btw) Jun 02 09:37:34 lcuk: Yeah, that is another option ;) Jun 02 09:38:36 X-Fade, if i create a project as gpl in garage can i change the license at a later date (looking like lgpl) when I have gone over the issues Jun 02 09:39:16 lcuk: You should be able to change that license yourself in the admin part. Jun 02 09:39:32 ok didnt know whether it was an interface or not :) Jun 02 09:39:49 would it be evil to keep libliqbase gpl entirely ;) Jun 02 09:44:00 lcuk, for a later license change (e.g. from gpl to lgpl) you will have to contact any past contributors. that can be fun if some email addresses are not working anymore Jun 02 09:45:52 andre__, i am still in contact with every single person (essentially myself) Jun 02 09:46:34 theres the packaging this weekend and a few bits from my good friend kotczarny but on the whole its my code to change Jun 02 09:46:51 yeah... but in ten years after billions of contributions to liqbase you will have fun :-P Jun 02 09:47:42 the original liqbase is gpl2 with option of 3, but the library really needs to be better defined Jun 02 09:48:04 oh - the stuff z4chh has done recently as well - right, shall hash it over and change it soon lol Jun 02 09:48:21 andre__, ill just file bugs at you to contact everyone :P Jun 02 09:55:21 lcuk, i will find a way to avoid that job. and if not i can always quit with a 30 days' notice ;-) Jun 02 10:03:21 heh andre__ ill disguise it somehow but still end up with you handling it :D Jun 02 10:09:22 lo qwerty12 Jun 02 10:09:32 hey Stskeeps Jun 02 10:09:54 X-Fade: No Ctrl+ involved Jun 02 10:10:31 RST38h: It should as the first part shows the white line artifact beween above the orange part. Jun 02 10:10:42 RST38h: Try to hit ctrl- when you see that. Jun 02 10:10:55 X-Fade: I am absolutely not pressing anything extra Jun 02 10:11:06 X-Fade: not clicking any keys just the mouse button Jun 02 10:11:17 No, but your browser remembers zoom? Jun 02 10:11:25 Not really, why should it? Jun 02 10:47:19 hello amit_usual Jun 02 10:47:38 hi Jun 02 10:47:58 lardman hi Jun 02 10:48:09 did you get my email? Jun 02 10:49:43 hello all Jun 02 10:54:31 * RST38h hehes involuntarily: "Mobinnova ViewBook N910 (netbook)" Jun 02 10:56:39 I think I'd have sore ears listening to music for 25days straight ;) Jun 02 11:36:31 lardman, thats holly whacking you round the head for using ipod whilst at the wedding Jun 02 11:37:01 lol Jun 02 11:37:16 if it had been an Nxxx it would have been better? ;) Jun 02 11:37:26 heh its worth it if its new tech :D Jun 02 11:37:37 even i would risk the wrath of tracy for that lol Jun 02 11:39:07 Whoever makes another comment to that N900 thread is going to start on the 100th page. Hurry up folks! Jun 02 11:39:10 =) Jun 02 11:40:52 RST38h, just edit your post so its longer Jun 02 11:41:26 lcuk: I am not THAT vane :) Jun 02 11:44:04 * lardman heads off to get some more report written Jun 02 11:44:05 vane? Jun 02 11:44:14 wind turbine? Jun 02 11:48:46 s/vane/vain Jun 02 11:54:05 Hi All! Jun 02 11:54:20 Hey guys! N900 is true? or a lie? Jun 02 11:54:25 Lie. Jun 02 11:54:31 lo Jun 02 11:54:46 Finnish government is behind it, too Jun 02 11:54:51 heh Jun 02 11:54:55 Pandora people is helping them Jun 02 11:54:56 Anunakin, nothing official out yet Jun 02 11:55:02 *are Jun 02 11:55:29 not so much a lie but a conspiracy Jun 02 11:55:30 qwerty: That would be a huge factor against N900 being released on time =) Jun 02 11:55:43 hehe Jun 02 11:56:12 N900 is actually going to be a homing device masquerading as a cell phone Jun 02 11:56:55 that's what i fear our donated n810s are ;) Jun 02 11:57:49 Sts: Yea, that is for sure. Nokia donates you an n810 and you start visiting Mameo/Mozilla meets, etc =) Jun 02 11:58:01 Not to mention those Chinese forums... Jun 02 12:02:42 lo timeless Jun 02 12:02:56 hi Jun 02 12:03:00 * timeless_mbp wonders if this vm will work Jun 02 12:05:59 i can't see it on the vitural keyboard,after i build the hildon-input-plugins-example and install it.what't the problem? Jun 02 12:06:31 is there anybody who can give me a tip? thans Jun 02 12:06:34 thanks Jun 02 12:06:35 fremantle? Jun 02 12:07:12 no,it's diablo Jun 02 12:07:34 cod Jun 02 12:07:46 do you have experence? Jun 02 12:07:46 code or os? Jun 02 12:07:52 code Jun 02 12:07:57 code sample Jun 02 12:08:20 ok, and where do you run it? Jun 02 12:08:36 i just build and install it in the sdk Jun 02 12:08:46 ok Jun 02 12:09:10 not sure how it works there Jun 02 12:09:42 Ho ho ho, another conspiracy thread! Jun 02 12:10:39 after i build the sample,there is no bin file Jun 02 12:10:46 it is a .so file Jun 02 12:11:12 of course Jun 02 12:11:37 hildon input method can load it Jun 02 12:11:50 i build a package and install it Jun 02 12:12:17 the step is like this,but i can't see it on the keyboard Jun 02 12:12:27 it is always older one Jun 02 12:12:40 how to switch to it? Jun 02 12:13:01 on n800/n810? Jun 02 12:13:36 yes Jun 02 12:13:38 lo yerga Jun 02 12:13:58 the menu should have it Jun 02 12:14:07 Hi StsN801 Jun 02 12:14:59 you mean the button menu Jun 02 12:15:26 yeah, the one on the old keyboard Jun 02 12:15:29 at the bottom-left Jun 02 12:15:36 yes Jun 02 12:15:41 yeah Jun 02 12:16:11 i see it ,it shows what i have install. Jun 02 12:16:29 but it display in grey state. Jun 02 12:16:36 i can't click it Jun 02 12:18:03 ok, asking someone. sec Jun 02 12:18:31 thanks Jun 02 12:18:37 can i ask what you want to develop? Jun 02 12:18:53 handwritting Jun 02 12:19:08 i learn it lately Jun 02 12:19:08 oki Jun 02 12:20:11 do you build the input-method sample? Jun 02 12:20:26 you're more than welcome to help with hildon input method plugins in Mer project (see wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jun 02 12:20:39 yeah Jun 02 12:20:41 we need help in that area so Jun 02 12:21:18 i have seen the code sample,but i can't install it properly Jun 02 12:23:53 well if it shows up so far so good Jun 02 12:27:53 yeah it shows up now, it seems to not be switch the older one. Jun 02 12:28:07 switch to older one Jun 02 12:29:10 ok, it has something to deal with supported languages maybe Jun 02 12:29:10 if i install,it could only show my input method and not show another one. Jun 02 12:29:21 ah Jun 02 12:31:42 switching between twe input method can be implemented with supported languages. Jun 02 12:33:19 do you have ever seen some handwritting input method? Jun 02 12:34:30 do you know where to switch between them Jun 02 12:43:13 is the fremantle release stable? and where can i get a website explaining how to flash to this release if so? Jun 02 12:43:39 Fremantle is currently not available for the devices Jun 02 12:43:53 Fremantle SDK (development kit) is available for preview in beta Jun 02 12:44:32 oh k, so diablo version is still the more up-to-date release for the devices? Jun 02 12:44:37 yes. Jun 02 12:44:45 ok thanks for the help Jun 02 12:45:24 Heh, sharing plugins category surfaces again ;) Jun 02 12:48:54 RST38h, did you ever find a way to get 50-60fps true screen updates at any resolution? Jun 02 12:50:31 minra-, thats entirely feasible using xv and lower than 800*480 Jun 02 12:50:37 would like to get true synched screen updates at 320x20p Jun 02 12:50:47 200 Jun 02 12:51:06 grab liqbase from extras and change the resolution and take a look for yourself :) Jun 02 12:51:14 lcuk, your liq code to do this is available? Jun 02 12:51:19 ty Jun 02 12:51:25 yeah its in garage Jun 02 12:51:33 thank you sir Jun 02 12:51:38 the released one which has resolution changes at least Jun 02 12:51:53 does anyone know of a os2008 maemo app to calculate sunrise/sunset data tables per long/lat? Jun 02 12:51:55 the new one doesnt do that lot, its used for fullscreen stuff Jun 02 12:52:19 i think the controller hides true vsync from us Jun 02 12:52:21 Sesrun, if theres a console/gtk app to do itfor linux in general it should be possible to use Jun 02 12:53:02 have you code to fix tearing in horiz scroll? Jun 02 12:53:21 gotcha didn't know that. i'll search around some more. thanks Jun 02 12:54:48 i think synched updates not possible at 50-60hz Jun 02 12:55:01 at any res Jun 02 12:55:07 In maemo devolopment which tool is the most useful debug tool? Jun 02 12:55:17 grep/vi Jun 02 12:55:27 gdb Jun 02 12:55:28 i want to see the debug output. Jun 02 12:57:08 is there some more detail about the location framework somewhere? Jun 02 12:58:44 and specifically whether there is a server based backend used to do look-ups from things like wifi MACs/gsm tower ids/etc.? Jun 02 13:03:50 minra-, i seem to have no problem with tearing :) Jun 02 13:04:37 lardman: I would seach for GeoClue Jun 02 13:04:52 it isn't geoclue based though is it Jun 02 13:05:05 I seem to remember that specific fact Jun 02 13:05:07 lardman: No it is Nokia's own framework. Jun 02 13:05:17 Wait, cancel that: http://www.mail-archive.com/geoclue@lists.freedesktop.org/msg00212.html Jun 02 13:05:22 lardman: Yes Jun 02 13:05:37 I was just idly thinking about whether the creation of such databases would be beneficial Jun 02 13:06:08 ah, city name stuff looks quite useful Jun 02 13:06:14 They exist already, commercial ones Jun 02 13:06:25 I wonder if it will also do lat-lon -> post/zip-codes? Jun 02 13:06:45 TIGER db will do that for US Jun 02 13:07:07 in the UK the lookups require payment, or Google I guess Jun 02 13:08:03 no, wolfram alpha will do it *ALL* *grin* Jun 02 13:08:09 *chuckle* Jun 02 13:08:13 lol Jun 02 13:08:29 ALL HAIL HYPNOTOAD! Jun 02 13:08:45 lunch-time drinking Myrtti? ;) Jun 02 13:08:54 lardman: lack of caffeine Jun 02 13:08:54 Yes? Somebody called? Jun 02 13:09:09 Myrtti: now I mention it I could do with a beer, mmmm Jun 02 13:09:25 and it's almost dinner time Jun 02 13:09:43 well lots of lunch-time drinking then! :D Jun 02 13:10:47 * Hypnotoad thoroughfully hypnotizes everyone present into buying iPhones Jun 02 13:12:22 ~lart Word for 'correcting' spellings that are already correct Jun 02 13:12:22 * infobot blasts Word with a huge firehose then strangles Word with it for 'correcting' spellings that are already correct Jun 02 13:12:43 lardman: Microsoft has got a better tool for that now Jun 02 13:13:16 When writing a C# program, Studio will actually try to correct your coding by replacing "Key" with some "KeyHandlerExceptionType" etc. Jun 02 13:14:20 like an auto complete thing? Jun 02 13:15:18 Yes, but an extremely proactive and annoying one Jun 02 13:16:13 I know your pain, I'm also having troubles with the wonders of auto-capitalisation, when I actually want lower case, arrrgh x2 Jun 02 13:16:55 * RST38h usually solves this by using PICO for all his typing needs Jun 02 13:17:21 And if these guys really want .doc, let 'em convert it themselves from .txt Jun 02 13:17:36 not sure pico would like my equations and diagrams, etc Jun 02 13:17:53 LaTeX Jun 02 13:18:15 hmm Jun 02 13:20:41 just sketch them in liq Jun 02 13:20:45 :) Jun 02 13:21:38 ive seen results from last year lcuk. only valid test for tearing is horizontal pynning Jun 02 13:21:42 panning Jun 02 13:21:59 to begin or not to begin Jun 02 13:28:43 ok instead of deciding now I get coffee Jun 02 13:29:18 lol Jun 02 13:29:20 I did the same Jun 02 13:29:26 then went back to Word Jun 02 13:29:50 hmm, I have so many things to begin that I can't even decide what to begin :( Jun 02 13:30:00 but coffee tastes good atleast Jun 02 13:30:14 I've got lots begun, but few finished Jun 02 13:30:22 sounds like the story of my life ;-) Jun 02 13:36:36 Isn't the af-sb-init.sh script supposed to start the hildon-home aswell or am I mistaken? Jun 02 13:36:40 in fremantle Jun 02 13:37:05 to answer myself, yes, yes it is Jun 02 13:56:34 i was trying to flash the n810 to use stlc45xx and i follow the README and i had to set some necessary R&D flags using this command flasher --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset ... and after that i flashed with the compiled kernel ... now what i have to do to reboot the device ... i can only see the Nokia logo and a icon with the device and a screwdriver, any help really appreciate Jun 02 13:57:03 You've taken out the USB cable? Jun 02 13:57:30 no, do i have to? Jun 02 13:57:37 :P Jun 02 13:57:45 Yeah, once done, remove the cable :P Jun 02 13:57:54 k Jun 02 13:58:32 same Jun 02 13:59:48 any button that i need to hold? or press before try to reboot Jun 02 14:00:27 No, there is nothing that you can do apart from poppin' the battery at that point Jun 02 14:01:48 removed the baterry and same screen Jun 02 14:02:05 kernel problem? Jun 02 14:02:09 You sure the kernel you flash is sane? Jun 02 14:02:13 *flashed Jun 02 14:03:15 i got it from git and compiled using the maemo-sdk, but i guess maybe its better if i flashed it to the stable version Jun 02 14:03:37 i mean the diablo one Jun 02 14:03:53 Flash the original one and if that works, try your one again but instead of using --flash, use --boot Jun 02 14:05:05 At least that way you can ascertain if the kernel you flashed is dodgy. And if it is, a removal of the battery will use the original kernel again Jun 02 14:07:14 hmm strange problem... I have ARM binaries running fine in scratchbox (/bin/sh for example), but programs I compile won't run (says Permission denied). Anybody encountered such a problem? Jun 02 14:07:48 zap: Did you move them away from your mmc? Jun 02 14:07:58 zap: they are probably on the no-exec fs Jun 02 14:08:00 permissions are ok Jun 02 14:08:05 mmmh Jun 02 14:08:09 they're on NFS Jun 02 14:08:09 permissions do not matter if it is mmc Jun 02 14:08:11 could be indeed Jun 02 14:08:14 zap: mmc is mounted no-exec Jun 02 14:08:16 ah ;) Jun 02 14:08:25 check how that NFS is mounted Jun 02 14:08:46 /home is NFS, the rest is in /scratchbox :) Jun 02 14:10:43 hm Jun 02 14:15:51 finally worked :) Jun 02 14:18:31 what the default R&D flags? i flashed with the old version but now when i turn it on its shows the version of kernel, release and other things in green ... and when it boot i got the first setup but after 1 min or less the screen begin to fade out and shutdown the device Jun 02 14:18:57 am i doing something wrong? i used flasher -F image -f -R Jun 02 14:19:32 To flash a kernel, it's -k - not -F Jun 02 14:20:16 i flashed using the RX-44-DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 02 14:20:56 Oh, you reflashed. Jun 02 14:21:09 nod Jun 02 14:21:19 There is no default rd-mode flags - Nokia don't ship their devices with it enabled Jun 02 14:21:54 so there is a way to undo flasher --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset? Jun 02 14:22:08 --disable-rd-mode Jun 02 14:22:27 flasher --disable-rd-mode? Jun 02 14:22:51 yep Jun 02 14:24:31 so if i want to just test the kernel that i built i have to just try flasher -k image -f -R? Jun 02 14:27:09 flasher -k image -b to boot right? Jun 02 14:28:22 Think so, I haven't used that option in about a year. IIRC, -l param is needed too Jun 02 14:30:39 yeah, i guess the kernel is damaged. Jun 02 14:30:49 thanks qwerty12 for the help Jun 02 14:33:19 heya world Jun 02 14:37:51 What text editors we have to Maemo that has support highlights to LaTeX, bash, HTML etc? Jun 02 14:40:33 KurtKraut: vim Jun 02 14:41:07 maybe cscope Jun 02 14:42:30 KurtKraut: mcedit Jun 02 14:43:14 zap: thanks Jun 02 14:43:26 mcedit is in the mc package Jun 02 14:43:41 zap: so it is CLI? Jun 02 14:43:50 no Jun 02 14:43:52 it's console Jun 02 14:44:03 sed is CLI :) Jun 02 14:45:06 zap: What I dislike in options like vim and mcedit is the console. I think it is not easy to adjust to a font size to enhance the readability Jun 02 14:45:16 KurtKraut: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ - dunno if it does LaTeX but it does do bash and HTML probably as it does php Jun 02 14:45:20 why not, just pop up console settings Jun 02 14:45:34 also, install the dejavu-fonts package and use the dejavu fixed font Jun 02 14:47:58 qwerty12: I've tried this out and it is horrible. Doesn't allow to adjust font size. I can barely see what I'm writing Jun 02 14:48:25 KurtKraut: in console you may press + and - buttons (on the top of N810) to adjust font size Jun 02 14:50:30 also you may create your own .desktop file with a command like 'osso-xterm -e mcedit %f' to allow editing files directly from file manager Jun 02 14:51:30 That works? I thought the file manager goes through all its mime_open dbus-signal crap Jun 02 14:51:48 so what, it anyways finishes in the .desktop files Jun 02 14:52:24 but I'm not 100% sure :) Jun 02 14:53:28 zap: that looks great Jun 02 14:54:49 zap: I noticed a problem in mcedit. It requires F1, F2,F3.. keys to input commands. It is quite annoying to do it in Maemo Jun 02 14:56:26 jeez, 54 pages of flame bout n900 screen... Jun 02 14:56:41 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/06/ecs-vase-ion-1.jpg Jun 02 14:56:49 wazd: 54? Last time I checked there were 100 Jun 02 14:57:05 depends on your settings :) Jun 02 14:57:26 RST38h: posts per page in board settings Jun 02 14:57:28 RST38h, well, 54 is about screen only) Jun 02 14:57:36 qwerty: Ah! Jun 02 14:58:13 Ah, it's "Edit Options" - I was thinking in IPB Jun 02 14:58:33 people always want to complain bout something Jun 02 14:59:51 screen size, color sceme, d-pad, keyboard rows, hardware lock switch, power button in the wrong place, bezel, no bezel Jun 02 15:01:42 "screen is 3.5", I can't read it anymore!!!" Jun 02 15:01:59 move in closer to your eyes, dude Jun 02 15:02:59 this is why I want holographic screen or something, so that you can keep screen right infront of your nose, but focus into the screen a few metres away :) Jun 02 15:04:37 hm, about 20cm is closest I can comfortably focus on something Jun 02 15:04:38 :/ Jun 02 15:04:57 ShadowJK: You don't need to hold it that close ;) Jun 02 15:05:32 It would be almost filling your complete field of vision at that point ;) Jun 02 15:05:36 but but... the screen has so many pixels, imagine how many columns I can get in xterm with an 8pixel font Jun 02 15:05:56 if only I figure out how to focus! Jun 02 15:06:17 ShadowJK: I always have that idea with these virtual reality glasses.. Jun 02 15:06:42 field of vision is 180 degrees or something, need curved tablet to fill it all :) Jun 02 15:07:02 btw, as n900 will have USB host option and linux now has drivers for external usb displays... Jun 02 15:07:29 wazd_n800: And it has video out. Jun 02 15:07:35 ... and n800/n810 has usb host option, and there are drivers and support packages in extras for the usb->vga adapters? Jun 02 15:07:59 And it can charge from usb :) Jun 02 15:08:16 I think all new Nokia things can charge from USB, they did sign on to the "industry standard" after all :) Jun 02 15:08:38 can it make some coffee?) Jun 02 15:09:37 wazd_n800: Talk with your upnp coffee machine? :) Jun 02 15:13:17 And the last thing that surprises me is that many people are absolutely sure that n900 will be a phone for 100% Jun 02 15:17:46 wazd_n800: The developer device at least didn't look like a phone. Jun 02 15:18:09 No speaker where you would expect your ear to be. (Just 2 speakers on the sides like N810) Jun 02 15:19:25 X-Fade: hey Jun 02 15:19:39 X-Fade: can you reset PyShop's mailing list thing plzkthx? lol... so tired of the spam :P Jun 02 15:19:41 wazd_n800: I don't believe N900 will be a phone before I receive a phone call from/with it Jun 02 15:20:10 but I'm a sceptic cat Jun 02 15:20:22 I don't believe in pink invisible unicorns either, really Jun 02 15:20:50 * jeremiah_ takes off pink unicorn costume. Jun 02 15:20:51 * wazd_n800 doesn't think n900 to be a phone too Jun 02 15:20:58 didn't they pretty much say during one of the keynote things "IT WILL ONLY HAVE DATA" Jun 02 15:21:18 I seem to remember that Jun 02 15:22:20 maemo is not ready to be serious phone OS Jun 02 15:22:27 "yet" Jun 02 15:22:48 I want to see it have proper SIP first :-D Jun 02 15:23:02 maybe fremantle will change these things Jun 02 15:23:04 (I can get my sip to connect only when I'm tethering it) Jun 02 15:23:04 Myrtti: you don't? Jun 02 15:23:15 * aquatix believes in pink invisible unicorns Jun 02 15:23:18 they are cute Jun 02 15:23:27 aquatix: I don't believe in myself either Jun 02 15:23:30 ah Jun 02 15:23:34 i have that too :/ Jun 02 15:23:42 aquatix: there's no chixxor in the Interhwebs Jun 02 15:24:48 it's all a lie Jun 02 15:25:09 a great percentage of my friends on the interwebs are chixxorz, lol Jun 02 15:25:25 most of the people I play WoW with (yes, I play WoW... <_<) are chixxorz :P Jun 02 15:25:42 and people are like "r u a gurl IRL lolz?!" and they're like... "no. go away." Jun 02 15:26:29 Myrtti: aw, and there I was thinking you where cute too :( Jun 02 15:26:38 hehe Jun 02 15:26:42 more coffee Jun 02 15:26:45 ghehe Jun 02 15:26:57 * aquatix hands Myrtti some decent jet-black brew Jun 02 15:27:18 found a nice yarn shop today in Copenhagen :P Jun 02 15:27:34 bought some wool/alpaca mix Jun 02 15:27:36 hm, an omap3 netbook Jun 02 15:28:03 rm_you: ooh! Jun 02 15:28:17 aquatix: pandora strikes back?) Jun 02 15:28:21 feels very nice :P Jun 02 15:28:42 * Myrtti shopped from Utuna again, feels quilty for spending 34€ on two hanks of yarn Jun 02 15:28:43 Going to give it to my GF when I get back to the US... ^_^ Jun 02 15:28:48 awww Jun 02 15:29:05 she is cutest when huggling yarn :P Jun 02 15:29:35 Myrtti: *g* @ `quilty' Jun 02 15:29:45 aquatix: the touhbook? Jun 02 15:30:06 Stskeeps: so, is theft here just NOT an issue? >_> Jun 02 15:30:07 aquatix: MORE COFFEE Jun 02 15:30:24 rm_you: people are quite relaxed, why? Jun 02 15:30:40 i've seen like 1500 bikes in the last two days, and only like ten of them had locks Jun 02 15:30:47 like, wherever i was Jun 02 15:30:53 yeah.. and we leave our children in carriages outside resturants Jun 02 15:30:56 Stskeeps: no, some Vaio-P lookalike: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/02/video-ecs-t800-netbook-brings-us-to-our-knees-with-android-on-1/ Jun 02 15:30:58 metro station, middle of nowhere, in some park... >_> Jun 02 15:31:05 * aquatix hands Myrtti the whole stash Jun 02 15:31:08 lol Jun 02 15:31:15 rm_you: some of them might have been stolen ones though Jun 02 15:31:15 but like, zero theft rate? >_> Jun 02 15:31:17 lol Jun 02 15:31:26 we do have theft and pick-pocketing Jun 02 15:31:29 i guess that's a possibility Jun 02 15:31:33 rm_you: or 100% theft rate ;) Jun 02 15:31:37 and people stealing bikes and breaking into houses Jun 02 15:31:40 but like, srsly... bikes arent cheap, but NO ONE locks them up Jun 02 15:31:48 have a crappy enough bike, and nobody is intrested in taking it Jun 02 15:31:52 yeah Jun 02 15:31:55 that's often the mindset Jun 02 15:31:58 in the US if you leave your bike for like five minutes unlocked, even on college campus which has very low theft rate, it will be gone when you get back Jun 02 15:32:00 (myrtti) Jun 02 15:32:06 my bike is insured anyway Jun 02 15:32:21 I'd probably get more from it if I'd throw it off a bridge or have it stolen Jun 02 15:32:21 rm_you: people look weirdly at you if you start rummaging around bikes :P Jun 02 15:32:28 than trying to sell it Jun 02 15:32:29 lol bike insurance? :P Jun 02 15:32:30 yeah Jun 02 15:32:35 Myrtti: be sure to keep the key Jun 02 15:32:36 insurance fraud as well Jun 02 15:32:39 lol Jun 02 15:32:44 rm_you: goes with the apartment insurance Jun 02 15:32:53 you wouldn't have to rummage, just walk straight up to one and run off Jun 02 15:32:55 my bike was (imagine) cut out with fence part that it was locked around Jun 02 15:32:55 Myrtti: Hope they don't read IRC logs :P Jun 02 15:33:12 but also the parking meters are based on the clock on the car windshield that YOU set? lol Jun 02 15:33:27 rm_you: yeah, - they check at times though Jun 02 15:33:40 it's like an entire society that is based on honesty and responsibility :P not that it's bad, just never see that in the US, EVER. :P Jun 02 15:33:54 rm_you: I think that's sad :-( Jun 02 15:34:01 yeah, it really is Jun 02 15:34:07 crime in the US is horrid Jun 02 15:34:22 and besides, I'm going to give my bike to my sister, she has even crappier bike than I do Jun 02 15:34:37 heh Jun 02 15:36:07 it is *her* bike anyway... she bought it when I was seven and I got it from her when I was 12 (she had lived in US for several years) Jun 02 15:36:49 tells something about the quality that her bike is now 3 years old rusty piece of garbage, while mine (her old) is 25 and apart from few rust spots is as new Jun 02 15:36:52 rm_you: on the other hand people here rarely have guns, which causes problems when you get robbed by gangs from outside denmark.. Jun 02 15:37:07 (i dont want guns here, i would prefer to keep gangs out :P) Jun 02 15:37:50 yeah <_< Jun 02 15:38:46 in US every granny has a heavy machinegun :D Jun 02 15:39:03 wazd_n800: and a rifle and a handgun Jun 02 15:39:16 wazd_n800: "never leave your eggs in one basket" Jun 02 15:39:36 i own a rifle and a handgun <_< Jun 02 15:39:36 but it's a bit messed up when there's boys going from window to window at a dorm and snooping in and putting light on doors and you open your door in order to shout at them and you end up having a minor conversation with him, until you secretly call the guards on their ass Jun 02 15:39:41 :P Jun 02 15:40:55 * aquatix home Jun 02 15:41:29 we have guns only for shooting bears on the streets :) Jun 02 16:41:53 maemo xchat vulnerable to disconnect exploit - june 2009 Jun 02 16:42:16 lovely, prod qwerty12 Jun 02 16:42:32 k Jun 02 16:42:36 Depends, which version are you using? Jun 02 16:43:02 2.8.4 Jun 02 16:43:16 Yeah, I only hack on 2.8.6 in extras-devel Jun 02 16:43:24 ah Jun 02 16:43:44 can u update release ver? Jun 02 16:44:02 i got booted for a couple days Jun 02 16:44:15 no biggie but still Jun 02 16:44:35 ok just now again Jun 02 16:44:53 i seem to be in some combatative chans Jun 02 16:46:30 I keep that version in Extras-devel because I don't trust myself enough to ever promote it :) Jun 02 16:46:54 ah Jun 02 16:47:02 ok will add devel Jun 02 16:48:51 how ? Jun 02 16:49:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel Jun 02 16:54:12 Has anyone gotten Mnemosyne to run on maemo (n810)? Jun 02 16:54:47 p-f: well Jun 02 16:54:48 hm, i think i saw some flash card thing Jun 02 16:54:58 Stskeeps, there's an anki port, if that's what you mean Jun 02 16:55:08 yeah Jun 02 16:55:16 it's fairly unstable from what I've seen so far Jun 02 16:55:27 qwerty12, new xchat april 1 2009 still vulnerable Jun 02 16:55:37 p-f: we're working on full-featured flashcard app based on mnemosyne right now Jun 02 16:55:37 p-f: it's a GSoC project Jun 02 16:55:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Projects/Mnemosyne_for_Maemo Jun 02 16:56:04 I saw that but it may be a while until it's up and running from the look of things Jun 02 16:56:17 such are gsoc projects :P Jun 02 16:56:24 and since Mnemosyne is theoretically portable, I was wondering whether anyone had managed to get the original version running Jun 02 16:56:25 * Stskeeps wonders if it runs on mer Jun 02 16:56:32 minra: Hmm, XChat webpage only has 2.8.6 source. The author puts his time into the windows version for $$$ it seems Jun 02 16:56:32 * p-f wonders what mer is Jun 02 16:56:49 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jun 02 16:57:02 i asking for exploit now Jun 02 16:57:06 oh dear Jun 02 16:57:20 why did you have to paste this link when I'm the middle of finals? Jun 02 16:57:34 now I have to install it instead of studying Jun 02 16:58:05 sorry, i have the same problem when people give me gadgets out of the blue :P Jun 02 16:58:17 i have to keep my greedy fingers off the n810 i just got from nokia Jun 02 16:58:18 :P Jun 02 16:58:36 I bought one a while ago :) Jun 02 16:58:47 it's neat if you ignore the horrendously slow webpage rendering Jun 02 16:58:56 p-f: Tear Jun 02 16:58:56 ah. you should get Tear Jun 02 16:59:00 your sanity will thank you Jun 02 16:59:02 (actually, I'm not sure whether it's a rendering issue) Jun 02 16:59:12 whats a webpage/ Jun 02 16:59:37 webpage is short for html (aherm) Jun 02 16:59:46 cool Jun 02 16:59:50 * p-f smirks Jun 02 16:59:51 (whats html though?) Jun 02 16:59:59 :D Jun 02 17:00:13 thanks qwerty12 / Stskeeps, I'll have a look Jun 02 17:00:28 the funny thing is I'm not sure whether it's a rendering issue - the browser just sits there saying "Connecting to blah" forever Jun 02 17:01:08 either way, it can't hurt to try Tear Jun 02 17:01:48 hehe Jun 02 17:02:14 i love this. we got /kick for maemo xchat Jun 02 17:03:21 i still can't kick myself :( Jun 02 17:03:50 p-f, that's a connectivity issue. Jun 02 17:04:21 GAN800: scaringly enough i'm not always certain of that Jun 02 17:04:53 Stskeeps, well, it aint rendering. Jun 02 17:04:55 GAN800, I'm getting incredible speeds in software other than the browser Jun 02 17:05:12 GAN800: i'm willing to blame network code :P Jun 02 17:06:14 Hi Jun 02 17:06:16 lo Jun 02 17:07:02 qwerty12, got a minute? Jun 02 17:07:16 minra: sure Jun 02 17:07:26 chat TeccaNina pls Jun 02 17:07:45 pm Jun 02 17:08:31 brand new way to date someone :D Jun 02 17:09:26 wazd_n800, its not new - its staple of school romances "my friend said he fancies you, will you go out with him?" Jun 02 17:10:21 lcuk, heh) Jun 02 17:15:47 wazd_n800: we can actually make the black keyboard it seems like Jun 02 17:16:28 wazd_n800: him-arabic is actually a generic layout engine Jun 02 17:22:46 Stskeeps, whoa! Jun 02 17:23:06 Stskeeps, you mean that large kb on my artwork? (not fs one) Jun 02 17:23:40 wazd_n800: yes for instance Jun 02 17:24:34 that's superawesome! Jun 02 17:25:09 any help from my side needed? Jun 02 17:26:15 looking, sec :P Jun 02 17:27:32 i think we really also need to start designing keyboard layouts Jun 02 17:27:40 see http://home.foolab.org/svn/projects/him-arabic/trunk/data/en.xml for instance Jun 02 17:28:02 i think we can adjust it to further act better Jun 02 17:28:35 (it takes utf-8 too) Jun 02 17:29:29 http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/ Jun 02 17:42:01 * lardman heads out for a birthday drink or three Jun 02 17:42:04 night all Jun 02 17:46:09 hi all Jun 02 18:15:50 if anyone wants to help out with on screen keyboard layouts: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=293004 Jun 02 18:16:40 lo jaffa Jun 02 18:16:42 Morning, all Jun 02 18:16:51 Stskeeps: Good weekend? Jun 02 18:16:53 definately Jun 02 18:17:29 Jaffa: meeting about Ubuntu MID & Mer in #ubuntu-mobile in 45 mins btw if you want to listen in Jun 02 18:17:51 Stskeeps: ta; will open a window Jun 02 18:18:06 Jaffa: http://pastebin.com/d7c524616 Jun 02 18:18:08 is outline Jun 02 18:39:30 CPH weekend piccies : http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mozmae/ Jun 02 18:41:04 ah, yours :) Jun 02 18:42:07 lbt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3587963637/ is fantastic :P Jun 02 18:42:56 Some are mine... anyone who tags "mozmae" though Jun 02 18:43:04 yeah, i know Jun 02 18:59:39 got kicked from server again on xchat Jun 02 19:00:12 i am going to start using the exploit on maemo users in 6 weeks Jun 02 19:00:25 f y i Jun 02 19:00:37 hint: publically logged channel Jun 02 19:00:46 heh Jun 02 19:00:54 no damage Stskeeps Jun 02 19:01:34 lbt: I have overshoot working (more or less) without any changes to QAbstractSlider Jun 02 19:02:10 OK, I'm in a Mer/Ubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-mobile .... back l8r Jun 02 19:02:30 Gotcha Jun 02 19:03:38 law here requires damages. 6 weeks is enough to fix xchat exploit or insert a warning that is insecure Jun 02 19:04:12 minra: what on earth are you on? Jun 02 19:04:43 just saying we should get it fixed soonish Jun 02 19:04:57 [22:00] < minra> i am going to start using the exploit on maemo users in 6 weeks Jun 02 19:05:13 GEE. That's a healthy way of addressing the problem Jun 02 19:05:38 yes Jun 02 19:05:54 "I've got shit in my hands, so I'll just wipe it on everyone elses clothes as well" Jun 02 19:06:15 minra: law requires damages, but not FreeNode ;) Jun 02 19:06:17 just on friends Jun 02 19:06:17 you'll get K-lined Jun 02 19:06:24 oh Jun 02 19:06:29 minra, you best read the description on downloads - you purchased the device without any sort of xchat installed :) Jun 02 19:06:29 nm then Jun 02 19:06:43 * Myrtti has no sympathy Jun 02 19:07:27 you want me to fix it? Jun 02 19:08:12 thats a better way to be :) Jun 02 19:09:13 i just want to raise concern and attention by folks with a clue Jun 02 19:09:59 minra: my viewpoint is "screw X-Chat crap" ☺ Jun 02 19:10:08 heh Jun 02 19:10:19 i dont even know the string Jun 02 19:10:20 * Myrtti huggles her irssi ♥ Jun 02 19:11:03 minra: try to join #ubuntu with it Jun 02 19:11:19 (with the xchat) Jun 02 19:11:51 ok Jun 02 19:12:02 you'll get tested, and might be that you'll be disconnected... Jun 02 19:12:08 see if i get kicked Jun 02 19:12:23 but anyway, there's also instructions on how to fix it, if the exploit is what I think it is Jun 02 19:19:25 yup, that's it :-D Jun 02 19:20:06 Fuck. That's a shitter. Jun 02 19:20:36 mm? Jun 02 19:20:38 check your router settings ;-) Jun 02 19:20:49 Myrtti: Is that the DCC one? Jun 02 19:20:51 yup Jun 02 19:21:05 um? Jun 02 19:21:11 It won't affect xchat on my N800 :\ Jun 02 19:21:23 it's not a X-Chat issue Jun 02 19:21:30 it's a router issue Jun 02 19:21:30 I had someone trying to do it to me & I was still on Jun 02 19:23:16 hola Jun 02 19:25:55 sorry i was misinformed about xchat security on maemo - pls ignore Jun 02 20:04:31 Stskeeps: I it possible to port the Unreal3.2 for the N800? Jun 02 20:26:33 lbt: I'll have to talk to you about it tomorrow Jun 02 20:26:43 ok - mail me patches? Jun 02 20:27:07 we're still on Ubuntu-MID / Mer interworking :) Jun 02 20:27:22 sorry I've not been about tonight ;) Jun 02 20:27:45 lbt: That's no problem. Jun 02 20:27:57 I have a couple of more things to work out, then I'll mail you the patches Jun 02 21:32:38 find . -size +1024 doesn't work - it's busybox find -- how can i find files larger than a size, say 1 meg? Jun 02 21:37:04 ryoohki: shouldnt it be find * .. not find . Jun 02 21:44:24 * timeless_mbp looks for a nokian Jun 02 21:52:40 zakkm: no - "." current dir -- recurse descending from here Jun 02 22:04:51 is there a way to rebuild the list of installed packages? Jun 02 22:05:40 Trying to install findutils but finding busybox conflicts? Jun 02 22:07:31 heh. Jun 02 22:10:13 all these intentionally-broken busybox commands also grate on my nerves Jun 02 22:16:13 intentionally broken? Jun 02 22:16:27 minimally implemented Jun 02 22:17:20 technically, nokia didn't help. Look at debian/config_deb in busybox source package and you'll see what I mean Jun 02 22:46:10 im a beast at blocks Jun 02 22:57:00 heh Jun 02 22:57:44 :D:D:D:D:D:D i have all my data back thanks to KotCzarny's suggestion of testdisk. Jun 02 22:58:01 * lcuk wishes he could donate to the testdisk guys Jun 02 22:58:06 http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk Jun 02 22:58:30 I used CmosPwd once, killed my CMOS *grin* Jun 02 22:58:46 lcuk: yeah testdisk is nice Jun 02 22:58:51 saved my ass tons of times Jun 02 22:59:21 yeah zakkm i am in awe :) Jun 02 22:59:27 250gb totally failed on me, nothing could read partitions, failed a SMART test.. recovered most of it Jun 02 22:59:52 yeah well ive got everything back right upto the point when it corrupted itself Jun 02 22:59:53 cool thing is, its crossplatform too Jun 02 23:00:13 yeah and it read from the file i backed up last night Jun 02 23:00:17 it also has photorec , for recovering photos and such from flash cards Jun 02 23:00:24 so if your camera ever corrupts the card :P Jun 02 23:00:50 yeah its good Jun 02 23:00:51 the saga continues Jun 02 23:00:56 lol Jun 02 23:00:57 its more getting it to read, rather than recovering long lost deleted files thats been overwritten Jun 02 23:01:04 its not Macer its done now :P Jun 02 23:01:13 like i dont think it can go past one overwrite Jun 02 23:04:23 huh? Jun 02 23:04:34 my saga Jun 02 23:04:44 or were u on about something else Jun 02 23:05:08 oh. i dont know. it was one of those mindless things Jun 02 23:06:45 you needed insurance? Jun 02 23:07:08 i didnt think macer was old enough Jun 02 23:07:25 old enough for what? Jun 02 23:07:45 saga insurance Jun 02 23:07:46 alAltzheimer's Jun 02 23:07:51 haha Jun 02 23:08:29 you never know Jun 02 23:08:37 what does that mean "Incompatible package" in the application installer... Jun 02 23:08:46 was watching a show about bikini atoll Jun 02 23:09:07 mmm bikinis Jun 02 23:09:25 another civilization pushed out of their home by the white man =) Jun 02 23:09:56 bimbos are a civilisation? Jun 02 23:10:21 hm. im+ seems to be randomly disconnecting from my zimbra server Jun 02 23:10:26 jabberd Jun 02 23:34:52 whoa, has anyone tried the hildon borg theme? Jun 02 23:35:13 z4chh: I didn't get assimilated Jun 02 23:35:33 hub, i did :\ Jun 02 23:35:44 resistance was futile :S Jun 02 23:36:23 the borg theme is not bad..but needs work o_o Jun 02 23:38:18 ask the collective Jun 02 23:39:29 hub, already did..the second i thought that Jun 02 23:39:43 we are one Jun 02 23:40:12 omg i didn't realize how good some of these star trek themes are Jun 02 23:40:13 apart from 7 of 9, she is a pair Jun 02 23:40:32 7 of 9 broke off from the collective Jun 02 23:40:50 im liking this klingon theme! Jun 02 23:42:02 7 of 9 is enhanced Jun 02 23:42:41 she has silicone nanobots :D Jun 02 23:43:43 don't all borg? Jun 02 23:43:54 more seriously, what does "Incompatible Application Package" mean in the Application Manager Jun 02 23:43:58 only the females lol Jun 02 23:44:26 hub: == use dpkg -i to install Jun 02 23:44:33 hub, ^^ Jun 02 23:44:34 hub, its caused by an incompatability in the packaging - usually the package requests one dependency and its not available Jun 02 23:44:35 ;p Jun 02 23:44:47 hub, ^^ also Jun 02 23:44:49 lcuk: but then I can install the dependencies. Jun 02 23:44:53 manually Jun 02 23:44:55 easiest is remove all none nokia or maemo repositories Jun 02 23:45:10 they are on the SD card Jun 02 23:45:13 I just built them Jun 02 23:45:18 hub: package section doesn't begin with user/ Jun 02 23:45:22 the package manager wont look there tho.. Jun 02 23:45:49 user/office for the main package Jun 02 23:45:57 but then I need the dependencies... Jun 02 23:45:59 :-/ Jun 02 23:46:56 why having an "install from file" if it does not work Jun 02 23:47:56 It's also used for ".install" files and debs with user/ section & deps installed... Jun 02 23:48:29 yeah but I can't install the deps for the reason mentionned above Jun 02 23:48:33 even if they are in extras.... Jun 02 23:49:26 Yeah, that is a shit point of the app manager: it refuses to resolve deps for debs installed from local Jun 02 23:50:04 ok so I'm not on crack Jun 02 23:50:27 aok the red pill mode helped... Jun 02 23:50:40 at least that part we have the source code :-) Jun 02 23:51:31 Sure it's a dep problem then? red pill mode skips the user/ check but it still won't resolve deps Jun 02 23:52:03 well I installed librsvg2-2 in red pill mode Jun 02 23:52:09 and then my package installed Jun 02 23:52:11 so yes Jun 02 23:52:12 it was Jun 02 23:52:23 the user/ check Jun 02 23:52:30 I was not in red pill mode when I asked the question Jun 02 23:52:59 ah Jun 02 23:53:18 jeremiah_, ping? Jun 02 23:53:26 and I was trying to install the .deb I fetched from extra Jun 02 23:53:30 that were missing deps Jun 02 23:53:41 but applicaiton manager could just have installed them.... Jun 03 00:00:55 * GeneralAntilles sees geneven's paranoia is showing more than usual. Jun 03 00:03:53 qwerty12_N800: thanks at least for the hints Jun 03 00:04:51 np, glad you figured it out & sorted it Jun 03 00:05:47 Ah, the idiocy. Jun 03 00:09:05 give me strength! Jun 03 00:09:16 i am trying to build some gnu tools on the device Jun 03 00:09:20 autoconf being one Jun 03 00:09:25 which needs a decent grep Jun 03 00:09:29 so i got gnu grep Jun 03 00:09:45 and this happens in the configure script for it: Jun 03 00:09:46 checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... configure: error: no acceptable grep could be found in /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/xpg4/bin Jun 03 00:26:55 lcuk, goodlcukwiththat Jun 03 00:48:10 http://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=79 Jun 03 00:50:15 I hope Nokia updates their touchscreens, because Resistance is futile! Jun 03 00:50:36 nope, not happening Jun 03 00:50:38 hey folks Jun 03 00:51:04 jophish, resistive touch offers more accuracy though Jun 03 00:51:20 I was making a joke about z4chh's link Jun 03 00:51:25 heh Jun 03 00:51:35 :D Jun 03 00:52:09 anyone doing "Mer" around here? Jun 03 00:52:16 joelmaher, nice joke ;p Jun 03 00:52:19 (or any other alternative OS on the tablets?) Jun 03 00:53:10 neostrider, you might want to try #mer Jun 03 00:53:24 I see your already there Jun 03 00:59:21 I'd settle for no bevel around the screen :-) Jun 03 01:20:45 hate it when hellanzb screws up Jun 03 01:28:08 Hello people.. I've finally gotten around to messing with getting A2DP working again after the last flash update. Now I'm wondering about AVRCP Jun 03 01:28:31 I haven't found an a2dpd that was mentioned in older posts, is it no longer used? Jun 03 01:29:06 One of the posts in the johnx thread mentioned a kernel module found and loaded, but never mentioned where. Jun 03 01:29:58 whats the root password? Jun 03 01:30:07 I'd post this in the forums, but my posting privledges are nonexistant since the move from internettablittalk Jun 03 01:36:17 they changed the domain name? :) Jun 03 01:36:37 that kinda sucks. Jun 03 01:55:23 is it just me or does mer not have a lot of apps? Jun 03 01:56:12 I see ubuntu 9.04 on the Catalogues, but no apps. Jun 03 02:10:26 What's with the https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils/tags/ stuff.. They have directories including a bluez-utils-3.9 Jun 03 02:10:57 we are on 3.28 Jun 03 02:16:42 a fang banger hahaha **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 03 02:59:57 2009