**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 04 02:59:58 2009
Jun 04 03:05:55 <xander21c> thanks chx kind find a solution
Jun 04 03:06:12 <xander21c> but the table a got does not have /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-base-apps
Jun 04 05:06:37 <Dantonic> how do I make an app load on startup?
Jun 04 05:26:01 <Dantonic> how do I make a program load on startup on the n800?
Jun 04 05:27:27 <rm_you> probably with init.d?
Jun 04 05:28:46 <Dantonic> what's that?
Jun 04 05:30:05 <rm_you> http://www.google.com/search?q=init.d
Jun 04 05:30:25 <rm_you> first two results are fairly useful
Jun 04 05:31:11 <rm_you> short answer: no easy way that I know, besides mucking around with command-line stuff
Jun 04 05:32:53 <zakkm> rm_you: its not that difficult ;p
Jun 04 05:33:39 <zakkm> maemo starts hildon-desktop, and all the hildon stuff, you would just have to know where that file is, and add to it
Jun 04 05:33:56 <rm_you> well, for someone who doesn't know what init.d is, it will seem very complicated :)
Jun 04 05:33:59 <rm_you> I could do it, sure
Jun 04 05:35:00 <zakkm> .. /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-base-apps
Jun 04 05:35:08 <zakkm> not best solution but eh
Jun 04 05:35:49 <zakkm> you shouldnt really turn on/off the tablet..
Jun 04 05:35:50 <zakkm> though
Jun 04 05:37:30 <Stskeeps> lo rm_you, made it safely home?
Jun 04 05:37:55 <zakkm> Stskeeps: did it finish?
Jun 04 05:39:03 <Stskeeps> did what? weekend finished sunday
Jun 04 05:39:10 <zakkm> oh
Jun 04 05:39:21 <zakkm> was it fun?
Jun 04 05:39:33 <zakkm> worth attending
Jun 04 05:40:32 <Stskeeps> of course
Jun 04 05:40:44 <thux> morning
Jun 04 05:41:13 <RXrenesis8> "zakkm: you shouldnt really turn on/off the tablet.."   Please elaborate, if you wouldn't mind.
Jun 04 05:41:48 <zakkm> RXrenesis8: the battery  life, its not worth it to turn it off.. it takes alot of power to turn it off and on.. then leave it on for several days
Jun 04 05:42:21 <Stskeeps> a boot takes a lot of battery
Jun 04 05:42:49 <Stskeeps> leaving it locked, backlight off is a lot better
Jun 04 05:43:16 <zakkm> Stskeeps: one day i got my nokia confiscated in school.. for 5 days.. it didnt lower in % of battery the whole time lol
Jun 04 05:43:34 <zakkm> well i didnt have advanced battery.. but yeah
Jun 04 05:43:48 <rm_you> Stskeeps: ya
Jun 04 05:43:54 <rm_you> and collapsing now :P
Jun 04 05:43:58 * rm_you sleeps
Jun 04 05:44:20 <RXrenesis8> zakkm: good stuff, I thought you might've been implying something more ominous, thanks. :P
Jun 04 05:44:53 <zakkm> waste of time? :P
Jun 04 05:44:58 <zakkm> hah
Jun 04 05:46:22 <Dantonic> where is init.d located?
Jun 04 05:46:50 <zakkm> ... /etc
Jun 04 05:47:10 <Dantonic> k
Jun 04 05:48:06 <Dantonic> so it's a folder.  what do i do with it?
Jun 04 05:48:24 <Dantonic> edit one of the files?
Jun 04 05:48:43 <zakkm> Dantonic: you shouldnt really restart the tablet, adding to startup wouldnt help so much
Jun 04 05:48:50 <zakkm> init.d is all the startup stuff
Jun 04 05:49:02 <zakkm> so you'd have to find the right file for exact spot you want it to startup
Jun 04 05:49:07 <zakkm> and add it to the line of the file
Jun 04 05:50:05 <Dantonic> it happens at times that the system crashes and reboots.  i need it to start xchat when that happens.  ie if it happens while i'm sleeping.  it's rare, but still
Jun 04 05:50:38 <zakkm> you could add it to /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-base-apps
Jun 04 05:50:53 <zakkm> system crashes and reboots? a reflash might be in order
Jun 04 05:50:57 <zakkm> it shouldnt crash and often
Jun 04 05:52:14 <Dantonic> not often, but sometimes.  not sure i think its due to xchat and backlight or advanced battery
Jun 04 06:00:46 <Dantonic> zakkm, i don't have that file.  can you give me an idea of how init.d works?
Jun 04 06:01:18 <zakkm> you know how booting works?
Jun 04 06:03:39 <Dantonic> not sure what i need to know about it.  if i add a file called xchat, and add a command line to execute it will that work?
Jun 04 06:04:03 <Dantonic> I'm not sure how booting works
Jun 04 06:04:18 <zakkm> no
Jun 04 06:04:30 <zakkm> each init.d file starts at different times / some may not start at all
Jun 04 06:04:38 <zakkm> go here
Jun 04 06:04:42 <zakkm> to /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-base-apps  
Jun 04 06:04:47 <zakkm> and add xchat in a new line at the bottom
Jun 04 06:04:50 <zakkm> that would work
Jun 04 06:05:56 <Dantonic> i don't have osso-af-init/
Jun 04 06:06:40 <zakkm> hm
Jun 04 06:06:48 <zakkm> maybe your stuk in init.d then
Jun 04 06:06:53 <zakkm> its been awhile since ive used debian
Jun 04 06:06:57 <Dantonic> etc has no dirs or files w/ that name
Jun 04 06:07:07 <Dantonic> hmm
Jun 04 06:08:40 <Dantonic> wait i'm an idiot :P
Jun 04 06:10:46 <Dantonic> zakkm, ok opened it.  that's  ugly, where do i add it?
Jun 04 06:10:54 <zakkm> heh
Jun 04 06:10:59 <zakkm> bottom-ish line
Jun 04 06:11:04 <zakkm> what do you see there
Jun 04 06:11:14 <zakkm> Dantonic: ^
Jun 04 06:12:39 <Dantonic> stuff like if [ -f /tmp/run-osso-backup-finish-restore ]; then
Jun 04 06:12:52 <zakkm> eek
Jun 04 06:13:02 <zakkm> maybe i should try openingit
Jun 04 06:13:03 <Dantonic> bunch of if statements
Jun 04 06:15:02 <zakkm> Dantonic: try adding xchat to last line
Jun 04 06:15:04 <zakkm> like as a new line
Jun 04 06:15:47 <Dantonic> just 'xchat' right?
Jun 04 06:16:22 <zakkm> yeah
Jun 04 06:16:41 <zakkm> yeah maybe hildon-desktop if that didnt do that
Jun 04 06:17:48 <Dantonic> crap won't let me edit it from notes
Jun 04 06:18:06 <zakkm> oh yeah you'd need root
Jun 04 06:18:19 <Dantonic> i guess i need to do it from command line?
Jun 04 06:18:46 <Dantonic> idk how to do that :(
Jun 04 06:18:50 <zakkm> uh
Jun 04 06:19:05 <zakkm> osso-notes real-af-base-apps
Jun 04 06:19:08 <zakkm> ohh
Jun 04 06:19:10 <zakkm> root first
Jun 04 06:19:24 <Dantonic> ok
Jun 04 06:20:01 <zakkm> you know how to do root?
Jun 04 06:20:28 <Dantonic> ya i'm there but how do i edit the file? gedit?
Jun 04 06:20:35 <zakkm> gedit?
Jun 04 06:20:42 <zakkm> what do you think this is, ;p
Jun 04 06:20:47 <zakkm> theres no gedit on the tablet
Jun 04 06:20:59 <Dantonic> lol ya figured
Jun 04 06:21:03 <zakkm> your used to writting gedit
Jun 04 06:21:08 <zakkm> okay instead of gedit put osso-notes
Jun 04 06:21:11 <Dantonic> so how?
Jun 04 06:21:16 <Dantonic> oh
Jun 04 06:21:30 <zakkm> same way should work.. just swap those two
Jun 04 06:21:36 <Dantonic> i'm linux noob ;;
Jun 04 06:21:52 <zakkm> :)
Jun 04 06:22:16 <zakkm> you like gedit?
Jun 04 06:22:41 <zakkm> alot of ppl tend to use leafpad, it runs fast on the tablet
Jun 04 06:24:17 <Dantonic> /bin/sh: osso-notes: not found
Jun 04 06:24:29 <Dantonic> leafpad gives an error too
Jun 04 06:24:34 <zakkm> dang
Jun 04 06:24:38 <zakkm> do you have leafpad installed?
Jun 04 06:24:43 <Dantonic> ya
Jun 04 06:25:05 <zakkm> dang
Jun 04 06:25:36 <zakkm> start fine for me from terminal?
Jun 04 06:26:09 <Dantonic> process 2143: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up;
Jun 04 06:26:12 <Dantonic> etc
Jun 04 06:26:23 <zakkm> ohh
Jun 04 06:26:27 <zakkm> osso_notes not osso-notes
Jun 04 06:26:29 <Dantonic> starts from menj
Jun 04 06:26:41 <zakkm> wait what tablet version are you using?
Jun 04 06:26:47 <zakkm> what tablet do you have
Jun 04 06:26:52 <Dantonic> no that was for leafpad but let me try notes
Jun 04 06:26:58 <Dantonic> n800
Jun 04 06:27:01 <zakkm> still that shouldnt happen
Jun 04 06:27:05 <zakkm> what version of OS?
Jun 04 06:27:33 <zakkm> in terminal it should be like busybox v_._._ ( DATE )
Jun 04 06:27:35 <zakkm> whats the date
Jun 04 06:27:58 <Dantonic> notes opened but it's blanl
Jun 04 06:28:03 <Dantonic> blank
Jun 04 06:28:15 <zakkm> did you do osso_notes rf-base-apps w.e
Jun 04 06:28:24 <Dantonic> ya
Jun 04 06:28:35 <zakkm> what date is on busybox?
Jun 04 06:28:41 <Dantonic> /etc/osso-af-init # osso_notes real-af-base-apps
Jun 04 06:28:50 <Dantonic> busybox?
Jun 04 06:28:59 <zakkm> open a new terminal
Jun 04 06:29:00 <Dantonic> how do i check?
Jun 04 06:29:03 <zakkm> at top
Jun 04 06:29:13 <zakkm> it should be like busybox v1.6.1( date )
Jun 04 06:29:39 <Dantonic> BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) Built-in shell (ash)
Jun 04 06:29:46 <zakkm> oh okay your up to date
Jun 04 06:30:08 <zakkm> thats weird, you shouldnt be getting a dbus error
Jun 04 06:30:20 <Dantonic> hmm
Jun 04 06:30:36 <Dantonic> idk
Jun 04 06:31:14 <Dantonic> well no worries man,  i'll try some more
Jun 04 06:31:24 <Dantonic> thanks for your help
Jun 04 06:31:31 <zakkm> you could use vi?
Jun 04 06:31:39 <zakkm> that would defintely work, ive tried that
Jun 04 06:31:50 <zakkm> here what am i thinking ill add xchat and reboot myself
Jun 04 06:32:06 <Dantonic> ew vi i tried but-cant find a good list of commands
Jun 04 06:32:22 <zakkm> ill see if adding xchat there is the solution
Jun 04 06:32:29 <Dantonic> ok
Jun 04 06:34:15 <zakkm> Dantonic: rebooting
Jun 04 06:34:23 <Dantonic> k
Jun 04 06:34:41 <zakkm> theres two places, ive tried one
Jun 04 06:34:57 <zakkm> i should document this aftewards, for future purposes hah
Jun 04 06:35:24 <Davide> <=== Dantonic
Jun 04 06:35:37 <Davide> so did it work?
Jun 04 06:35:40 <Davide> zakkm?
Jun 04 06:35:42 <zakkm> Davide: hehh i just crashed everything but xchat opened up
Jun 04 06:35:42 <zakkm> :D
Jun 04 06:35:49 <Davide> LOL
Jun 04 06:36:00 <Davide> so where did you add it?
Jun 04 06:36:01 <zakkm> like just xchat, i should of added a if
Jun 04 06:36:29 <zakkm> lol dont add it
Jun 04 06:37:09 <Davide> haha
Jun 04 06:37:10 <zakkm> going to fix my nokia and try again
Jun 04 06:37:14 <Davide> ok
Jun 04 06:37:24 <Davide> you should write a guide for this on the forums :)
Jun 04 06:41:11 <zakkm> Davide: sorry man having trouble repairing my memo
Jun 04 06:41:12 <zakkm> maemo*
Jun 04 06:41:23 <zakkm> better i did this than you hah
Jun 04 06:41:24 <Davide> no problem dude
Jun 04 06:41:29 <Davide> LOL I'm sorry
Jun 04 06:41:32 <Davide> hope it's not messed up
Jun 04 06:43:18 <zakkm> wish i was better at helping :(
Jun 04 06:44:53 <Davide> nah man thats fine...
Jun 04 06:45:11 <Davide> I was just wondering... I mean it shouldn't be too tough you'd think...
Jun 04 06:45:18 <Davide> just to have an app start...
Jun 04 06:45:22 <zakkm> yeah its just a matter of the right spot
Jun 04 06:45:26 <zakkm> in the right file
Jun 04 06:45:28 <Davide> how are the applets made to start?
Jun 04 06:45:47 <Davide> Maybe I'll ask the question in the forums
Jun 04 06:45:47 <zakkm> i added to the wrong file
Jun 04 06:45:59 <Davide> Not sure how you figure what the wrong or right file is
Jun 04 06:46:09 <Davide> for example what does each file do?
Jun 04 06:46:13 <Davide> I dont get it
Jun 04 06:46:34 <zakkm> each get started at a different time
Jun 04 06:46:36 <zakkm> in a certain order
Jun 04 06:46:50 <zakkm> i screwed up cause i put xchat in the wrong order
Jun 04 06:47:19 <zakkm> so xchat started up.. and it stopped there
Jun 04 06:47:24 <zakkm> all the rest of the scripts
Jun 04 06:49:00 <Davide> ah
Jun 04 07:23:01 <zakkm> Davide: sweet im back in, you still here?
Jun 04 07:23:11 <Davide> ya
Jun 04 07:23:25 <zakkm> that took along time to repair
Jun 04 07:24:31 <zakkm> i really dont think i can figure it out, i dont know much about the ins and outs of maemo, but honestly like uhh say 12 hours from now, if thats late for you then maybe about 18 hours or so
Jun 04 07:24:44 <zakkm> Davide: ask the question here again, someone would know the right file
Jun 04 07:25:10 <Dantonic> ok man ty
Jun 04 07:25:48 <zakkm> i can keep trying each one if you want, but to honest if you can wait, i would say wait
Jun 04 07:29:14 <Davide> ya I'm gonna wait cause I"m brushing my teeth to go to bed :)
Jun 04 07:29:16 <Davide> so np
Jun 04 07:29:17 <Davide> thanks man
Jun 04 08:17:39 <mib_qctj5w> how to debug the .so format file?
Jun 04 08:18:07 <mib_qctj5w> the package is a plugin.
Jun 04 08:34:04 <mgedmin> mib_qctj5w: I seem to remember seeing a wiki page about debugging Hildon plugins (statusbar/home applets)
Jun 04 08:34:17 <RST38h> moo all
Jun 04 08:45:04 <RST38h> ehlo wazd
Jun 04 08:47:26 <wazd> RST38h: heya
Jun 04 08:52:08 <Meizirkki> Whoever the "Android for Ubuntu" developer is, he's annoying. He's continuously showing off some androin on top of Ubuntu, but not putting up a nodumentation :(
Jun 04 08:52:34 <Meizirkki> s/nodo/a do/
Jun 04 08:54:16 <ZakkmN800> heh
Jun 04 09:30:40 <RST38h> Anyone has got a GrandCentral invite?
Jun 04 09:44:28 <florian> good morning
Jun 04 09:58:53 <Stskeeps> "gotten a hold of DigiCube's just unveiled MIDPhone-50 at Computex, and we have to say that from the looks of it, it's quite a wild affair. The MIDPhone-50 is a Windows XP, full QWERTY-boasting, touchscreen mid, and a 3.5G mobile phone to boot. The tilting, 800 x 480 touchscreen is 4.5-inches, with mini-USB, standard USB, and microSD slots, plus a docking station with VGA output. Specwise, the phone / MID has an Intel Atom Z-series CPU with up to 1GB ...
Jun 04 09:59:00 <Stskeeps> ... of RAM, with Bluetooth and WiFi. The battery supposedly gets a quite sad two hours of life.
Jun 04 09:59:03 <Stskeeps> i love the last sentence.
Jun 04 09:59:28 <amr> lol
Jun 04 09:59:41 <RST38h> I do not understand why it does not fold up like a netbook =)
Jun 04 09:59:54 <Stskeeps> who the fuck would use this thing as a phon..
Jun 04 09:59:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 04 10:00:10 <RST38h> Ballmer?
Jun 04 10:00:40 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: http://handcellphone.com/wp-content/themes/green-marinee/phonepic/Samsung-SPH-P9000-run-windows-xp-cell-phone-1.jpg *grin* - always a favourite
Jun 04 10:01:14 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: ..
Jun 04 10:13:37 <lcuk> qwerty12, thats like a decepticon
Jun 04 10:15:47 <jukey> wuha... what's going on with http://maemo.org ?
Jun 04 10:15:58 <jukey> i get tonns of errors
Jun 04 10:17:12 <mikkov_> it's broken, but now it's fast :)
Jun 04 10:17:54 <X-Fade> wtf!
Jun 04 10:24:29 <wiza> damn, trapster.com doesn't support internet tablet :(
Jun 04 10:40:07 <jeremiah_> http://maemo.org seems to be working for me . . .
Jun 04 10:40:30 <X-Fade> Yeah, good that we have a cluster.
Jun 04 10:40:54 <X-Fade> I've shut down the ones with a dead disk.
Jun 04 10:42:03 <jeremiah_> aha, the old dead disk.
Jun 04 10:42:06 <jeremiah_> Yuck
Jun 04 10:42:42 <amr> the shareware copy of quake2
Jun 04 10:42:48 <amr> what do i need to do to make it into the full game?
Jun 04 10:42:50 <amr> i own it, obv
Jun 04 10:43:17 <lardman> morning all
Jun 04 10:56:26 <Stskeeps> amr: maybe copy the data files? dunno
Jun 04 11:15:09 <X-Fade> Ok, affected hosts have been moved to non broken hardware. Website problem solved.
Jun 04 11:16:24 <X-Fade> Internal mmc of the tablets had bad blocks :)
Jun 04 11:18:24 <Stskeeps> WSOD'ed 770? ;)
Jun 04 11:18:47 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Nah, I was thinking about the partition size problem ;)
Jun 04 11:25:39 <lbt> X-Fade... was the wiki style changed just recently? visited links going to grey?
Jun 04 11:25:57 <X-Fade> lbt: that is a global change, yes.
Jun 04 11:26:57 <lbt> ah... FWIW I find them slightly harder to read and see than the normal text... whereas I'd like them slightly more higlighted... just some feedback
Jun 04 11:29:33 <X-Fade> Yeah, not sure what to use there.
Jun 04 11:30:58 <lbt> here's a test-case page where I used an inline-link style....  http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build
Jun 04 11:31:52 <lbt> do you need to differentiate visited ?
Jun 04 11:32:18 <lbt> maybe the darker orange?
Jun 04 11:32:22 <X-Fade> lbt: Yes, as that gives the user more information about what he has seen already.
Jun 04 11:32:47 <lbt> fair... maybe orange from the top of the 'GO' vs the bottom of the 'GO'
Jun 04 11:33:00 <lbt> too subtle?
Jun 04 11:33:18 <lbt> anyhow... I trust you... I'll get back to writing ;)
Jun 04 11:33:48 <X-Fade> Maybe we would need somebody who is colorblind to tell us this. As grey on grey isn't the best either.
Jun 04 12:11:30 <lcuk> X-Fade, view webpages on the n810 in the sunlight - the color washes out to leave a virtual b&w image, if the difference is visible there it should be visible at other times
Jun 04 12:25:27 <lardman> cu chaps, back in a fortnight
Jun 04 12:25:29 <lardman> :)
Jun 04 12:45:39 <minra> the n810 is tremendous.  since my thinkpad broke, im using it constantly
Jun 04 12:45:53 <minra> the main problem is these evil websites
Jun 04 12:46:16 <X-Fade> minra: Don't visit evil websites :)
Jun 04 12:46:23 <amr> i love my n810
Jun 04 12:46:28 <amr> im actually playing sonic advance on it right now :)
Jun 04 12:46:39 <minra> vbga?
Jun 04 12:47:14 <minra> hard to avoid X-Fade - many news sites have like 150+ "elements"
Jun 04 12:47:21 <amr> yeah, cgba
Jun 04 12:47:24 <amr> vgba
Jun 04 12:47:57 <rmt> I really think that a controller box for it would be great..
Jun 04 12:47:59 <minra> vgba rules, but the snes rpgs are much better
Jun 04 12:48:13 <amr> oh? i havent tried any snes games yet
Jun 04 12:48:24 <rmt> But I think if I want a real Linux based gaming handheld, I'd go for OpenPandora
Jun 04 12:48:30 <minra> we dont have a decent snes emu yet
Jun 04 12:48:57 <minra> if you could get one ordered and delivered
Jun 04 12:49:03 <Macer> hm. anybody here use osx on normal pc hardware?
Jun 04 12:50:28 <minra> also RST38h consider WASD as an alternate to dpad
Jun 04 12:50:42 <amr> smart thinkin
Jun 04 12:50:46 <amr> i liket he default SDL quake controls
Jun 04 12:50:46 <minra> oe qweasdzxc
Jun 04 12:51:07 <minra> or
Jun 04 12:51:39 <minra> mhm
Jun 04 12:51:53 <minra> want to work on an emu?
Jun 04 12:53:04 <amr> what's the button for 'select' in VGBA?
Jun 04 12:53:17 <minra> forgot
Jun 04 12:53:26 <amr> hm
Jun 04 12:53:27 <amr> o well
Jun 04 12:55:39 <wazd> leaked photo of the new tablet http://s61.radikal.ru/i174/0906/b6/cf9bf5f77703.jpg
Jun 04 12:56:53 <mgedmin> I hope the from/to/subject fields scroll up
Jun 04 12:58:27 <minra> attractive design.  will sell.
Jun 04 12:59:02 <minra> and i see the improved dpad ;)
Jun 04 13:00:11 <aquatix> lol
Jun 04 13:00:33 <aquatix> no navigational buttons at all :/
Jun 04 13:00:35 <mgedmin> they've improved the design
Jun 04 13:00:36 <mgedmin> the best design is the one where you cannot take anything away
Jun 04 13:00:50 <minra> wasd ftw
Jun 04 13:01:17 <mgedmin> hjkl!
Jun 04 13:01:19 <X-Fade> wazd: You forgot the symbol and fn and cursor keys :)
Jun 04 13:01:27 <aquatix> minra: tried Tear browser?
Jun 04 13:01:40 <mgedmin> now having . and , on the same key makes me unhappy
Jun 04 13:01:49 <minra> plus the reduced size makes it mentally fit into the phone category
Jun 04 13:02:22 <X-Fade> minra: Oh yeah? Where is the speaker you hold your ear onto? :)
Jun 04 13:02:26 <minra> aquarius-, tear is useless for me cause i cant copy/paste to/from it
Jun 04 13:02:37 <minra> on the side i bet
Jun 04 13:02:43 <aquatix> minra: yeah, that sucks indeed
Jun 04 13:02:46 <aquatix> have the same issue
Jun 04 13:02:54 <aquatix> but it rocks for browsing in general
Jun 04 13:02:58 <aquatix> a lot better than microb
Jun 04 13:03:16 <zap> that's horrible, can't buy a N810 neither in Moscow or in St. Petersburg. Is it out of production already?
Jun 04 13:03:17 <aquatix> if they fix copy/pasting and editing bookmarks, i'm all set
Jun 04 13:03:19 <minra> mmm.  most of my browsing takes links from irc
Jun 04 13:03:37 <minra> and copies links to irc
Jun 04 13:03:47 <minra> who is the tear guru?
Jun 04 13:04:45 <wazd> x-fade: well, I can't find Fn button here :) http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/nokiarover-1.jpg
Jun 04 13:04:52 <wazd> x-fade: let's add some drama
Jun 04 13:05:28 <X-Fade> wazd: I'm sure it is on there :)
Jun 04 13:05:43 <wazd> X-Fade: can you see it?)
Jun 04 13:05:45 <X-Fade> The symbol key too btw.
Jun 04 13:06:39 <wazd> that's why I think that this is all fake :)
Jun 04 13:07:25 <X-Fade> wazd: But nice drawing. Very nice..
Jun 04 13:08:11 <X-Fade> wazd: You forgot the light sensor too btw.
Jun 04 13:10:39 <VDVsx> wazd, post the image on tmo, hiihihihi
Jun 04 13:11:58 <aquatix> :)
Jun 04 13:14:30 <wazd> http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0906/90/9a0aafc5337e.jpg <- Oh my god it's a phone!11
Jun 04 13:15:11 <X-Fade> wazd: Lol :)
Jun 04 13:16:06 <GeneralAntilles> minra, Wiimote
Jun 04 13:16:50 <minra> not for me.  i want to hold game device in front of my face
Jun 04 13:16:59 <minra> not set it on a desk
Jun 04 13:17:00 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe . . . modest@maemo.org
Jun 04 13:17:14 <GeneralAntilles> minra, both can be used one-handed.
Jun 04 13:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> Wiimote in right, tablet in left.
Jun 04 13:18:12 <minra> um, thanks
Jun 04 13:18:49 <GeneralAntilles> minra, I've got a friend who does it on the bus that way.
Jun 04 13:19:14 <minra> hehe
Jun 04 13:22:53 <lbt> wazd... add a faint reflection of a bod holding a camera to the gloss...
Jun 04 13:23:27 <wazd> lbt: well, it's "press" shot :)
Jun 04 13:24:03 <wazd> http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/N810WiMAX3_Lowres.jpg <- like that for example
Jun 04 13:24:39 <lbt> did you render it?
Jun 04 13:25:00 <lbt> it's a nice piccy
Jun 04 13:28:55 <wazd> http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0906/59/dd9ed10b0fd1.jpg
Jun 04 13:29:02 <roope> seems like people have way too much time on their hands.
Jun 04 13:29:10 <wazd> featuring OMWeather :)
Jun 04 13:29:32 <VDVsx> wazd, sweet :P
Jun 04 13:30:29 <Macer> http://www.osnews.com/story/21564/Building_a_Hackintosh_Apple_Can_t_Sue_You_For
Jun 04 13:30:49 <Macer> hm. i wonder if you can sell PCs with that installed without getting sued
Jun 04 13:31:48 <lcuk> the bitch about mockups comes when the designer realises the mockup is better than the realthing ;)
Jun 04 13:31:48 <lbt> wazd: install Mer
Jun 04 13:32:42 <lcuk> wazd, your mockup doesnt include the holo projector we were promised on page 384543753745 of the thread on itt
Jun 04 13:33:04 <Macer> hahahha
Jun 04 13:33:13 <lbt> heh... where does the dpad go?
Jun 04 13:34:34 <lcuk> yeah lbt, im sure there were more keys when we saw them at weekend, i think the other massive thread mentions em too
Jun 04 13:35:03 <Macer> massive is such a strong word :)
Jun 04 13:35:17 <lcuk> perhaps at this rate nokia are having a sweepstakes with the manufacturer and the number of keys is chosen at random :D
Jun 04 13:35:41 <Macer> it is going to have voice capability correct?
Jun 04 13:35:44 <aquatix> wazd: those software shots in that mockup, are those real?
Jun 04 13:35:47 <lcuk> macer, my finger gets tired and i lose the will to live after about 200 pages
Jun 04 13:36:08 <Macer> lcuk: best to just give up on the other 199 pages and just focus on the latest ;)
Jun 04 13:36:12 <lcuk> macer, dunno havent seen or heard anything
Jun 04 13:36:17 <wazd> aquatix: well, last one isn't but we're working on it :)
Jun 04 13:36:25 <lcuk> i just read viaspy page anyway
Jun 04 13:36:53 <aquatix> wazd: nice :)
Jun 04 13:36:57 <Macer> only windows would make the shortcut keys for printing alt+R
Jun 04 13:37:02 <aquatix> i still miss some keys though
Jun 04 13:37:12 <aquatix> Macer: alt... R?!
Jun 04 13:37:28 <lcuk> yeah alt-p  is used for viewing help files
Jun 04 13:37:29 <Macer> aquatix: yeah :)
Jun 04 13:37:37 <Macer> that  makes no sense
Jun 04 13:37:49 <mgedmin> 8-()
Jun 04 13:37:51 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 13:37:59 <lcuk> well they had to do that cos f1 is used for moving to previous page
Jun 04 13:38:02 <aquatix> what does ctrl+p do?
Jun 04 13:38:12 <aquatix> lcuk: :)
Jun 04 13:38:14 <lcuk> leaves a puddle under your monitor
Jun 04 13:38:31 <aquatix> oh duh
Jun 04 13:38:41 <Macer> hah.. i don't know. i was looking at the popup that pops up from the mouse hover over the print button
Jun 04 13:38:42 <andrewfblack> Hello
Jun 04 13:38:46 <lcuk> oh, sorry i mustv lost control
Jun 04 13:38:58 <lcuk> ctrl p doesnt do anything
Jun 04 13:38:59 <aquatix> Macer: the fuck?
Jun 04 13:38:59 <lcuk> lol
Jun 04 13:39:01 <Macer> and it said "Print ... ALT+R"
Jun 04 13:39:15 <Macer> i was like... alt+r? wtf?
Jun 04 13:39:16 <aquatix> oh, the alt text
Jun 04 13:39:21 <lcuk> r being the next available letter
Jun 04 13:39:29 <lcuk> you need an underscore somewhere in the label
Jun 04 13:39:36 <Macer> lcuk: i think they just threw darts at a keyboard
Jun 04 13:39:39 <lcuk> the p will have been wired to something else
Jun 04 13:39:52 <Macer> wasn't help always F1?
Jun 04 13:40:20 <lcuk> it was until it escaped
Jun 04 13:40:22 <Macer> or is MS eliminating function keys in order to sell cheaper MS ergo keyboards that use less plastic since there are no need for keys
Jun 04 13:41:05 <lcuk> macer, what was help before f1
Jun 04 13:42:44 <Macer> lcuk: don't remember
Jun 04 13:42:59 <Macer> maybe something like alt+h?
Jun 04 13:43:02 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 13:43:09 <Macer> and printing was alt+p
Jun 04 13:43:27 <lcuk> you sure its not alt-e
Jun 04 13:44:26 <Macer> who knows :) i'm going to try this leopard install onto this shuttle anyways
Jun 04 13:44:33 <Macer> i think i hate win7 more than osx
Jun 04 13:44:48 <Macer> and debian doesn't run too well on it.. i thnk the video card is a little screwy in linux
Jun 04 13:45:00 <lcuk> install visual studio.not on it and make the love in complete
Jun 04 13:45:01 <Macer> you see disgusting things happening when it redraws things
Jun 04 13:45:32 <Macer> win7 isn't too bad though
Jun 04 13:45:59 <Macer> i really can't believe they didn't make their own virtual desktop thing though . to have multiple desktops
Jun 04 13:46:04 <Macer> they are falling behind the curve
Jun 04 13:46:12 <aquatix> Macer: help used to be F3
Jun 04 13:46:26 <Macer> but then again. i guess releasing vista... they probably took a baseball bat to the teeth while turning the corner
Jun 04 13:46:28 <aquatix> at least in wordperfect it was
Jun 04 13:47:02 <Macer> aquatix: wp wasn't standard ms stuff
Jun 04 13:47:10 <aquatix> i didn't say that
Jun 04 13:47:33 <Macer> well. i'm just saying. it wasn't an ms product so they probably made the keys different so people couldn't easily switch to word :)
Jun 04 13:47:40 <aquatix> but i didn't know you where talking about just ms stuff :)
Jun 04 13:47:53 <Macer> yeah well. i just noticed it in ie8
Jun 04 13:47:57 <aquatix> word didn't exist back then
Jun 04 13:48:13 <Macer> sure it did :) word was around in the 3.1 era
Jun 04 13:48:19 <aquatix> yeah
Jun 04 13:48:26 <aquatix> win 3.11 didn't exist back then :)
Jun 04 13:48:46 <aquatix> wp was DOS you know :)
Jun 04 13:49:03 <Macer> Richard Brodie renamed it Microsoft Word, and Microsoft released the program October 25, 1983, for the IBM PC
Jun 04 13:50:52 <aquatix> Ashton and Bastian started Satellite Systems International (SSI) to sell WordPerfect in 1980
Jun 04 13:50:55 <aquatix> :)
Jun 04 13:50:59 <aquatix> but point taken
Jun 04 13:51:09 <amr> does anyone here develop for maemo on a windows pc
Jun 04 13:51:09 <amr> ?
Jun 04 13:51:14 <amr> like through visualisation
Jun 04 13:51:26 <aquatix> i guess the 1983 Word didn't have the windows shortcut standard though
Jun 04 13:53:06 <GAN800> amr, yes, a few do with VMWare.
Jun 04 13:53:54 <aquatix> *g* @ ``For example, in Word for MS-DOS, a file would be saved with the sequence Escape-T-S: pressing Escape called up the menu box, T accessed the set of options for Transfer and S was for Save''
Jun 04 13:54:23 <aquatix> those where the days
Jun 04 13:55:02 <liri> oh those old days
Jun 04 13:55:19 <liri> I used to ran a BBS
Jun 04 13:55:46 <Macer> heh i did too
Jun 04 13:55:59 <liri> I remember when windows 95 was out and my friends were all 'cite about it. multi-tasking then was "heaven" (for them) and I refused to install it
Jun 04 13:56:12 <liri> I had dos multi-tasking done with qemu, they were shocked :)
Jun 04 13:56:13 <Macer> i used to run roboboard/FX before it got gay and turned into something else that totally sucked
Jun 04 13:56:24 <Macer> desqview ftw :)
Jun 04 13:56:34 <liri> desqview yeah
Jun 04 13:56:53 <minra> doubledos ;)
Jun 04 13:57:02 <liri> I ran RA (remote access) and most of the other BBSs were running the other one (forgot the name)
Jun 04 13:57:09 <liri> it was also a popular one, one word
Jun 04 13:57:12 <Macer> iniquity?
Jun 04 13:57:15 <liri> nop
Jun 04 13:57:20 <dneary> hi all
Jun 04 13:57:31 <Macer> damn. i know what you're talking about and it's at the tip of my tongue :)
Jun 04 13:57:38 <liri> heh yeah
Jun 04 13:57:41 <Macer> the l33t hacker one
Jun 04 13:57:42 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 13:57:44 <liri> Gibson or Pibson or whatever
Jun 04 13:57:50 <liri> something with a P I think
Jun 04 13:57:52 <Macer> argh!
Jun 04 13:57:55 <liri> PowerBBS?
Jun 04 13:57:56 <liri> no
Jun 04 13:57:57 <Macer> no
Jun 04 13:58:16 <liri> shjit
Jun 04 13:58:19 <Macer> i know
Jun 04 13:58:19 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 13:58:27 <liri> now I'm all obssesed with it and I' have to google it until I find the answer
Jun 04 13:58:29 <liri> what?!
Jun 04 13:59:18 <Macer> PCBoard
Jun 04 13:59:19 <Macer> ?
Jun 04 13:59:24 <liri> uhmm no
Jun 04 13:59:37 <Macer> :)
Jun 04 13:59:39 <Macer> Renegade?
Jun 04 13:59:46 <Macer> that was used a lot since it was easy to set up
Jun 04 14:00:00 <liri> I found http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/software.htm
Jun 04 14:00:17 <liri> I'm not seeing anything else there with a p
Jun 04 14:00:20 <liri> I think maybe it was PCBoard
Jun 04 14:00:33 <Macer> well.. pcboard was another big one too
Jun 04 14:00:53 <liri> man.. I miss those days
Jun 04 14:01:19 <liri> I was writing pascal plugins for RA with backdoors to give me 65535 rate for my user
Jun 04 14:01:20 <liri> lol
Jun 04 14:01:33 <Macer> i wouldn't mind running a bbs on my server it it had an ssh frontend to it
Jun 04 14:01:46 <liri> here's the best part - I have made a backup of the bbs and I have it on a 650mb CD :)
Jun 04 14:01:48 <Macer> telnet is too 1970s
Jun 04 14:01:57 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 14:01:58 <liri> yeah
Jun 04 14:02:12 <Macer> but i suppose nowadays a bbs is a web site huh?
Jun 04 14:02:16 <Macer> just isn't the same :)
Jun 04 14:02:17 <liri> Page the Sysop is todays' IM :)
Jun 04 14:02:44 <liri> we should start our own bbs underground network hehe
Jun 04 14:02:49 <liri> with actual 36k modems
Jun 04 14:02:52 <Macer> lol
Jun 04 14:03:01 <Macer> no thanks . i wouldn't mind running one if it used ssh
Jun 04 14:03:12 <liri> man... that 28800 connection was so fast then
Jun 04 14:03:15 <Macer> i'm sure there is a way to tunnel it but i'd love to have something that did it for you
Jun 04 14:03:36 <Macer> with zmodem xfering  :)
Jun 04 14:03:39 <Macer> fuck it.. xmodem
Jun 04 14:04:03 <liri> pff
Jun 04 14:04:09 * liri needs a time machine
Jun 04 14:05:31 <Macer> haha... ah well. no point in looking upon the past and wishing it still was :)
Jun 04 14:05:45 <Macer> although doing stuff like that was a lot more fun than all this boring new shit
Jun 04 14:07:55 <Macer> i hope this shuttle can run osx
Jun 04 14:45:28 <rzr__> hi
Jun 04 14:45:37 <rzr__> will n900 support ofono http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=293687#post293687 ?
Jun 04 14:46:01 <stskeeps_> who knows
Jun 04 14:46:07 <stskeeps_> we don't even know what n900 is :)
Jun 04 14:46:31 <X-Fade> or how mature ofono is ;)
Jun 04 14:48:12 <X-Fade> A framework alone doesn't turn a tablet into a phone. Even if it had gsm capabilities.
Jun 04 14:48:48 <X-Fade> Think of the amount of apps you need for phonebook, ringtones, SMS, MMS etc.
Jun 04 14:49:15 <stskeeps_> yeah.. look at freerunner
Jun 04 14:49:15 <stskeeps_> :P
Jun 04 14:50:43 <X-Fade> Look at the enormous amount of work that goes into the email client alone. I'd guess the other apps are about the same complexity.
Jun 04 15:04:14 * wazd has found that he already tried to draw n900 time ago)
Jun 04 15:05:04 <wazd> http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/8b/c49d9499ee5c.jpg
Jun 04 15:05:58 <stskeeps_> i really have doubts if there would be buttons on the sides
Jun 04 15:06:41 <wazd> stskeeps_: well, that's really old mockup :) But I still like it :)
Jun 04 15:08:01 <wazd> looks like mobilecrunch has the right feeling bout keyboard layout
Jun 04 15:08:10 <wazd> http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cp_1243218926_picture-4-630x485-215x165.png
Jun 04 15:09:44 <stskeeps_> on the other hand, if you compare a n810 and that, it's really not that different
Jun 04 15:17:17 <wazd> the only question I have is what looser has spent so much time to render that http://media.cellpassion.com/post/1475/lowres_nokrover.JPG and made a keyboard without Fn :D
Jun 04 15:18:10 <wazd> I wish I had his ability to model and render :(
Jun 04 15:18:11 <stskeeps_> it might be far left
Jun 04 15:18:21 <wazd> stskeeps_: there's shift
Jun 04 15:18:22 <stskeeps_> zxc
Jun 04 15:18:23 <stskeeps_> ah
Jun 04 15:18:34 <stskeeps_> either way, i love the keyboard and i want one
Jun 04 15:18:36 <stskeeps_> :P
Jun 04 15:19:18 <wazd> have to lock myself in a room and learn modelling
Jun 04 15:53:10 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 04 15:53:14 <stskeeps_> morning jaffa
Jun 04 15:58:36 <wazd> jaffa: heya
Jun 04 16:26:49 <GAN800> Jaffa, GTFO.
Jun 04 16:28:09 <stskeeps_> O-o
Jun 04 16:28:14 <luke-jr> LOL
Jun 04 16:34:19 <minra> http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&p=14799&sid=297b7c07b11d37b0e2952d0407398181#p14799
Jun 04 16:34:26 <minra> dosbox optimization
Jun 04 16:36:37 <GAN800> :p
Jun 04 16:40:44 * stskeeps_ notes he really needs better scrum tools
Jun 04 16:43:11 <stskeeps_> andre__: re #3858 i said was fixed in fremantle beta?
Jun 04 16:45:31 <andre__> stskeeps_, you wrote "seems to be fixed", not "fixed" :-P
Jun 04 16:45:46 <stskeeps_> ah
Jun 04 16:45:47 <stskeeps_> :P
Jun 04 16:46:19 <andre__> i forwarded your last comment to the internal ticket. but of course no answer yet... (but i started to simply reopen tickets when i don't get answers.)
Jun 04 16:46:28 <andre__> (but this one is not closed internally)
Jun 04 16:48:45 <Aquarina> hi
Jun 04 16:49:13 <Aquarina> just got a new n810 (good for me, I know)
Jun 04 16:49:20 <stskeeps_> congratulations :)
Jun 04 16:49:29 <Aquarina> is there a problem with the mail client and google apps?
Jun 04 16:49:38 <Aquarina> just can't make it work!
Jun 04 16:49:41 <andre__> define "problem"
Jun 04 16:49:47 <stskeeps_> i think there's a problem with mail client & everything, but that's me.
Jun 04 16:49:51 <stskeeps_> alternatives include Claws
Jun 04 16:49:58 <Aquarina> it stays there ando doesn't connect
Jun 04 16:50:21 <Aquarina> i tested claws but for limited time
Jun 04 16:50:21 <andre__> there are a few problems with google apps. tried last weekend and even got "your browser is not supported" by docs.google.com
Jun 04 16:50:44 * GAN800 sighs at qole.
Jun 04 16:50:47 <andre__> default mail client worked more or less fine for me
Jun 04 16:50:56 <Aquarina> hum... i did manage to edit simple stuff on docs though
Jun 04 16:51:24 * GAN800 Jaffa It's like he comes up with the helpful thing to say, then does exactly the opposite.
Jun 04 16:51:28 <stskeeps_> ow
Jun 04 16:51:32 * stskeeps_ pokes GAN800 
Jun 04 16:51:38 <Aquarina> andre__, have you got a gmail account?
Jun 04 16:51:44 <GAN800> Stskeeps, see the Mer thing?
Jun 04 16:51:46 <andre__> Aquarina, yes
Jun 04 16:51:54 <Aquarina> hum...
Jun 04 16:52:00 <Aquarina> it must be me then
Jun 04 16:52:06 * GAN800 applauds virtual input. :/
Jun 04 16:52:37 <stskeeps_> GAN800: he has the angle wrong really
Jun 04 16:52:41 <Aquarina> andre__, did you have to put in some special port configuration or something?
Jun 04 16:52:44 <GAN800> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293724&postcount=68
Jun 04 16:53:15 <GAN800> Nokia is encouraging Mer for a variety of reasons. None of them that conspiracy theoried.
Jun 04 16:53:24 <andre__> Aquarina, do you get an error in Modest (the default email app)?
Jun 04 16:53:32 <Aquarina> yes
Jun 04 16:53:35 <Aquarina> i mean...
Jun 04 16:53:50 <Aquarina> i can see no error, it just stays there doing nothing!
Jun 04 16:54:37 <Aquarina> (I have to say, I use custom names for the G servers as I should in G apps
Jun 04 16:54:39 <Aquarina> )
Jun 04 16:54:53 <andre__> Aquarina, Incoming: imap.gmail.com, SSL (IMAP4S), Port 993. OutgoingL smtp.gmail.com, SSL, Port 465
Jun 04 16:54:54 <stskeeps_> GAN800: ah, it's the complete opposite really of what qole says
Jun 04 16:55:09 <Aquarina> andre__, exactly
Jun 04 16:55:13 <andre__> ah, and SMTP Auth is set to "Login" here
Jun 04 16:55:22 <stskeeps_> GAN800: i bet nokia would be more than thrilled to have their primary OS stuff developed in a community as long as they can differentiate in nice ways
Jun 04 16:55:30 <andre__> Aquarina, hmm, works for me here, running the latest Diablo on an N810 :-/
Jun 04 16:55:31 <Aquarina> xcept i use imap.mydomain.com and smtp.mydomain.com
Jun 04 16:55:47 <stskeeps_> and with all the dumps of fremantle code they can hardly be blamed for not developing in the open
Jun 04 16:55:54 <GAN800> andre__, get my email?
Jun 04 16:56:00 <Aquarina> they're correctly cnamed to G servers
Jun 04 16:56:40 <Aquarina> andre__, I'm also running newest OS
Jun 04 16:56:43 <Aquarina> I think
Jun 04 16:56:48 <GAN800> First problem is that saying 'Nokia' in this context is too much of an oversimplification.
Jun 04 16:56:55 <Aquarina> just flashed it las week
Jun 04 16:57:22 <GAN800> What Quim wants and what somebody else wants may not totally mesh
Jun 04 16:57:36 <Aquarina> hum... just thinking...
Jun 04 16:57:57 <Aquarina> could it be ssl certificate that doesn't match?
Jun 04 16:57:57 <GAN800> I see Mer as an excellent way of encouraging community platform participation where Maemo has typically failed.
Jun 04 16:58:31 <andre__> GAN800, the template patch is on my todo list, yeah. if you refer to another email: no
Jun 04 16:58:56 <GAN800> Yeah, that's the one.
Jun 04 16:59:19 <andre__> yeah, some lag & Denmark backlog here... :-/
Jun 04 17:02:09 <Aquarina> is there any way to allow modest to accept wrong ssl certificate?
Jun 04 17:04:24 <GAN800> andre__, no worries, I didn't finish anything this sprint. ;)
Jun 04 17:04:40 <andre__> heh. i'm also not where i wanted to be... :-/
Jun 04 17:05:52 <GAN800> At least I wont have to attend the sprint review. :D
Jun 04 17:12:49 <Macer> hm. wonder if this mb can read the DVD DL
Jun 04 17:12:54 <Macer> well. write it actually
Jun 04 17:21:38 <fiferboy> lbt: ping?
Jun 04 17:21:47 <lbt> heh
Jun 04 17:21:54 <lbt> your timing is lousy ;)
Jun 04 17:22:19 <lbt> I was just about to go for a workout
Jun 04 17:22:23 <lbt> (I need it!)
Jun 04 17:23:18 <fiferboy> Talk to you later!
Jun 04 17:23:35 <lbt> ta... :)
Jun 04 17:37:06 <Macer> i hate crap that downloads so slowly
Jun 04 17:37:10 <Jaffa> GAN800: "GTFO"?
Jun 04 17:39:51 <Jaffa> Next session time.
Jun 04 17:41:34 <lopz> hola
Jun 04 17:59:50 <GAN800> Jaffa, you said hi, so I said get the fuck out. :P
Jun 04 18:00:39 <RST38h> hmmmmmmmmm
Jun 04 18:06:00 <wazd> by the way
Jun 04 18:06:01 <wazd> http://media.cellpassion.com/post/1475/lowres_nokrover.JPG
Jun 04 18:06:13 <wazd> look carefully at the statusbar
Jun 04 18:06:29 <wazd> Am I crazy or there are icons from OS 2007?
Jun 04 18:06:45 <wazd> and on the left too
Jun 04 18:06:50 <stskeeps_> you're right
Jun 04 18:07:29 <Pavlov> that looks like a pretty poor photoshop job ;/
Jun 04 18:07:38 <RST38h> it does look like Photoshop
Jun 04 18:07:51 <wazd> photoshop guy was slightly mad :)
Jun 04 18:08:01 <wazd> RST38h: check it out :) http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/n900_31.jpg?w=650&h=481
Jun 04 18:08:14 <Pavlov> the lighting on the keyboard is pretty inconsistent
Jun 04 18:08:32 <Pavlov> on the whole thing, really
Jun 04 18:11:37 <Pavlov> lighting is always the hardest part of photoshopping things ;/
Jun 04 18:11:47 <Macer> wow
Jun 04 18:11:50 <Macer> david carradine hung himself?
Jun 04 18:11:54 <Pavlov> apparently
Jun 04 18:12:14 <Macer> weird
Jun 04 18:12:23 <wazd> noway
Jun 04 18:12:26 <aquatix> wazd: nice
Jun 04 18:13:04 <aquatix> that rover pic has some buttons on the left side it seems though
Jun 04 18:15:12 <RST38h> wazd: Stop teasing innocent people =)
Jun 04 18:15:26 <RST38h> Macer: yep. unfortunately :(
Jun 04 18:16:45 <ShadowJK> maybe someone should do a photoshop/render that DOES have a d-pad, or one of those small joysticks that nokia had at one point on their phones
Jun 04 18:17:31 <RST38h> Shadow: if this thing gets a dpad, that will most surely be on the back side
Jun 04 18:17:51 <RST38h> Shadow: opposite to the camera. makes camera zooming/light controls dead easy too
Jun 04 18:17:59 <lcuk> this thread is useless without holo projectors
Jun 04 18:17:59 <mib_0glpxo> Hello, anybody known, is ther a problem with http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller.install , i want to install Mer but this is not possible
Jun 04 18:18:31 <stskeeps_> hmm, that's bad
Jun 04 18:18:34 <stskeeps_> my server didn't restart
Jun 04 18:18:54 <ShadowJK> how about a picture of a "N910" showing file manager or home screen claiming 60-something GB free on /, or a N910 with pop-out mini-projector? :-)
Jun 04 18:19:00 <wazd> mib_0glpxo: have you signed EULA with your blood? That could be a problem
Jun 04 18:19:12 <stskeeps_> mib_0glpxo: i have a bit of issues with the server that merinstaller.install is on currently sadly
Jun 04 18:19:28 <RST38h> Shadow: And a blue symbian key glowing ominously!
Jun 04 18:20:12 <RST38h> wazd: especially if he used a hamster as an inkwell
Jun 04 18:20:27 <RST38h> EULA clearly says: YOUR OWN blood
Jun 04 18:20:30 <ShadowJK> RST38h, my E75 doesn't have the blue symbian key anymore :-(
Jun 04 18:20:35 <mib_0glpxo> stskeeps_: ok, did you known how long it may take ?
Jun 04 18:20:38 <ShadowJK> it does have a mini-N810-dpad though
Jun 04 18:20:48 <RST38h> Shadow: Horror! Does it at least have a home key?
Jun 04 18:20:57 * RST38h absolutely hates n810 dpad
Jun 04 18:21:21 <ShadowJK> RST38h, yeah. It's picture of a house
Jun 04 18:21:41 <RST38h> At LINE=26956/28556: R1[17]=0x5000 <> R2[17]=0x0 (PC=0x20051218)   <=== Am I good or what? :)
Jun 04 18:22:00 <ShadowJK> what are you doing? :)
Jun 04 18:22:02 <RST38h> Shadow: Actually, reviewers welcomed the change of the picture
Jun 04 18:22:06 <stskeeps_> mib_0glpxo: i'm going to fix it in DNS irght now sec
Jun 04 18:22:12 <RST38h> Shadow: Nobody could figure out what that blue thing was
Jun 04 18:22:21 <RST38h> Shadow: A binary translator
Jun 04 18:22:33 <mib_0glpxo> stskeeps_: thnx, i will try to install it later
Jun 04 18:23:03 <RST38h> Shadow: That is the output from the step-by-step execution verifier script, it basically says that everything up to line 26956 matches 100%
Jun 04 18:23:32 <ShadowJK> matches with what..
Jun 04 18:23:41 <RST38h> With the original machine
Jun 04 18:32:16 <GAN800> Stskeeps, get it on maemo.org already.
Jun 04 18:32:36 <stskeeps_> ah
Jun 04 18:32:36 <stskeeps_> yes
Jun 04 18:32:39 <stskeeps_> something we can use garage for
Jun 04 18:33:14 <qwerty12_N810> Aim higher. Extras[-devel] :p
Jun 04 18:33:19 <stskeeps_> mmm
Jun 04 18:39:30 <GAN800> repository.maemo.org/mer
Jun 04 18:40:25 <stskeeps_> we're actually kinda happy at opensuse for now
Jun 04 18:40:32 <stskeeps_> for installer and such, maybe
Jun 04 18:40:42 <stskeeps_> but that's another topic for some time
Jun 04 18:40:49 <lcuk> technically cant an obs build server exist within the maemo.org infrastructure itself
Jun 04 18:40:57 <stskeeps_> yeah, of course
Jun 04 18:41:01 <lcuk> which could also neatly get round the other issues you were mentioning
Jun 04 18:41:47 <lcuk> with limitations on opensuse building certain types of packages
Jun 04 18:44:44 <hub> lcuk: the problem with OBS is that you have to "write" a .spec to make the .deb
Jun 04 18:44:57 <hub> lcuk: albeit they seem to have an auto-import
Jun 04 18:45:04 <stskeeps_> eh
Jun 04 18:45:08 <stskeeps_> we just feed it dsc
Jun 04 18:45:17 <stskeeps_> and it compiles with standard dpkg-buildpackage
Jun 04 18:45:35 <lcuk> hub, thats not a big deal according to our onsite obs expert
Jun 04 18:46:13 * lcuk has seen and heard of many packages being sent through the cleaners without an issue
Jun 04 18:46:24 <lcuk> i hope mine is one of them soon :)
Jun 04 18:47:43 <stskeeps_> GAN800: is it just me or is 2010 agenda not pulled out often enough?
Jun 04 18:47:59 <GAN800> Probably
Jun 04 18:48:26 <stskeeps_> (was my reply sane enough?)
Jun 04 18:52:02 <Jaffa> wazd: Your Rover mockup has the wrong key layout (and the bora icons were pointed out ages ago ;-))
Jun 04 18:52:38 <wazd> Jaffa: my mockup is just redraw of the small one :)
Jun 04 18:53:07 <stskeeps_> Jaffa: i think as to not upset marketing it might be good not to mock too much up :>
Jun 04 18:53:20 <fiferboy> lbt: re-ping?
Jun 04 18:53:23 <stskeeps_> but heck, i would still buy one
Jun 04 18:53:24 <stskeeps_> :P
Jun 04 18:54:16 <lbt> ah, good timing :)
Jun 04 18:54:23 <Jaffa> stskeeps_: ;-)
Jun 04 18:54:25 <lbt> just sat down
Jun 04 18:54:43 <fiferboy> Good timing cancels out the bad
Jun 04 18:56:24 <lbt> easily
Jun 04 18:56:45 <fiferboy> lbt: I'm having a weird problem with fingerscrolling, but I'm not sure if it is because of my changes or not
Jun 04 18:57:34 <lbt> what problem?
Jun 04 18:58:03 <fiferboy> When in AutoScroll the timer executes and stops properly shown by qDebug statements
Jun 04 18:58:25 <fiferboy> But when I scroll the list, and then grab the list while it is moving and scroll again, the timer never stops
Jun 04 18:58:50 <fiferboy> To be more accurate, qDebug shows a timer stopping, but then a second timer continuing and never stopping.
Jun 04 18:59:01 <lbt> OK... I just copied over the lib
Jun 04 18:59:29 <fiferboy> I think a second timer is started when I do the grab, instead of using the already existing timer.
Jun 04 18:59:31 <lbt> but ut hangs
Jun 04 18:59:50 <fiferboy> lbt: Before the program initializes?
Jun 04 18:59:57 <lbt> I've been writing docs all day... let me get this running
Jun 04 18:59:58 <lbt> yes
Jun 04 19:00:24 <GAN800> Stskeeps, it needs more cowbell. :P
Jun 04 19:00:56 <fiferboy> lbt: I wonder if the problem that I fixed for my build (which wasn't a problem in your build) creates a problem for you
Jun 04 19:01:13 * Jaffa goes to find some more freebies
Jun 04 19:01:30 <stskeeps_> GAN800: O_o?
Jun 04 19:03:25 <lbt> yep... I'm using your code...
Jun 04 19:04:02 <stskeeps_> 'lo x29a
Jun 04 19:06:37 <fiferboy> lbt: My changes to the intitliaztion problem I was having is to have the FingerScrollable property set like FingerScrollBars in QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller
Jun 04 19:06:41 <Macer> ugh this is going to suck
Jun 04 19:07:26 <Macer> i need to quit using smbfs for stuff on my artigo
Jun 04 19:07:33 <fiferboy> lbt: Your comment in eventFiler looks like the question I have
Jun 04 19:07:35 <fiferboy> / Would it be safer to kill the kinetic timer or just let it die?
Jun 04 19:07:38 <Macer> most importantly for the downloads part. it's killing me
Jun 04 19:09:48 <lbt> mm
Jun 04 19:09:58 <GAN800> Stskeeps, sorry, I think I may be vaguely feverish here. :P
Jun 04 19:10:28 <stskeeps_> GAN800: ah, :P
Jun 04 19:10:54 <Macer> The recession has caused tax collections to plummet and the need for social services to soar.
Jun 04 19:11:13 <Macer> IL congress tried to pass a 50% income tax increase here
Jun 04 19:11:16 <Macer> that is MASSIVE
Jun 04 19:11:26 <Macer> they have to be on drugs
Jun 04 19:13:14 <JamieBennett> anyone experience with packaging want to help talk me through packaging up pysqlite?
Jun 04 19:14:16 <GAN800> Taxes for their drug habits
Jun 04 19:14:37 <GAN800> Moblin phone is hilarity.
Jun 04 19:15:44 <Macer> Some 28 states have proposed cutting spending on higher education and personnel, while 27 want to reduce funding for K-12 education.
Jun 04 19:16:04 <Macer> wow. they want to cut spending for public schooling :) they are even more nuts than theones who wanted the 50% tax increase
Jun 04 19:16:16 <Macer> you NEVER reduce funding for education
Jun 04 19:16:52 <Firebird> +1 for the tax increase
Jun 04 19:17:32 <Macer> i don't understand this idealogy of rewarding failure that seems to strive here :)
Jun 04 19:17:41 <GAN800> Stskeeps, you are aware of the cowbell sketch, though, right?
Jun 04 19:17:49 <mgedmin> hahaha
Jun 04 19:18:00 * mgedmin has 'failure' in the list of irc hightlight words
Jun 04 19:18:21 <RST38h> the list wants to tell you something...
Jun 04 19:18:34 <stskeeps_> GAN800: not entirely
Jun 04 19:18:49 <Macer> well. i mean i'm just saying. "Dropped out of high school... don't want to get a job.. had 10 babies from 9 different fathers.... ok. here's section 8 and a link card so you don't have to do anything your entire life."
Jun 04 19:18:50 <stskeeps_> GAN800: windows xp phone is worse
Jun 04 19:18:53 <stskeeps_> 2 hour uptime!
Jun 04 19:19:02 <GAN800> Look it up! Christopher Walken.
Jun 04 19:19:13 <stskeeps_> ah. if it's walken, i might.
Jun 04 19:19:31 <RST38h> Macer: This has to come with forced sterilization
Jun 04 19:19:48 <RST38h> Otherwise, there is no sense doing it, indeed.
Jun 04 19:20:00 <Macer> social security is more "Oh. Ok. So you worked for 50 years of your life and didn't bother saving $10 a week and now you need more social security and medicare and medicaid in order to support you with your failed liver from drinking your money away? Oh.. ok no problem. Here you go. The 5th generation from this one can pay for it."
Jun 04 19:20:10 <fiferboy> lbt: Where are startTimer() and killTimer() defined?
Jun 04 19:20:22 <lbt> QObject I think
Jun 04 19:20:43 <Macer> RST38h: haha
Jun 04 19:20:47 <lbt> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qobject.html#startTimer
Jun 04 19:20:50 <RST38h> Macer: in 20-30 years your view of social security will change.
Jun 04 19:21:05 <Macer> RST38h: yeah. of course it will. because i won't be getting any of it :)
Jun 04 19:21:06 <RST38h> Please come back then and tell us all what you think =)
Jun 04 19:21:27 <RST38h> Macer: If I remember correctly, social security is relatively easy to fix
Jun 04 19:21:47 <Macer> hahaha.. i would say "well. i am sure glad i saved my money from when i was 21. i guess i will use this cheap sorry ass social security check to order some pizzas for the grandkids."
Jun 04 19:21:55 <RST38h> Macer: Will cost more taxes but not a lot
Jun 04 19:22:03 <RST38h> Macer: The real problem is medicare/medicaid
Jun 04 19:22:08 <fiferboy> lbt: Thanks
Jun 04 19:22:15 <Macer> social security is screwed up too
Jun 04 19:22:20 * stskeeps_ hugs his socialist country
Jun 04 19:22:33 <Macer> i don't want to pay it . i want my social security money. i think it would be safer if i had it
Jun 04 19:22:36 <RST38h> Macer: It may be, but fixing it is doable
Jun 04 19:22:40 <Macer> i wonder if you can ask to do that
Jun 04 19:22:51 <JamieBennett> trying to upload pysqlite and it says I need to upload the .changes file, I don't have one with this package, any ideas?
Jun 04 19:23:03 <x29a> stskeeps_: whatup? im now officially naked
Jun 04 19:23:05 <Macer> RST38h: and everybody preaches national healthcare .. do you know the kind of chaos that would create?
Jun 04 19:23:11 <x29a> just sold my n810
Jun 04 19:23:17 <Macer> i think it's bad enough we have medicaid/medicare
Jun 04 19:23:19 <RST38h> Macer: You can always move to Russia, 13% flat tax on residents
Jun 04 19:23:22 <stskeeps_> x29a: not much, i got a n810 from nokia :P
Jun 04 19:23:29 <stskeeps_> do you miss yours? :P
Jun 04 19:23:30 <RST38h> Macer: employer pays social security
Jun 04 19:23:30 <Macer> RST38h: i think i will to tell you the truth
Jun 04 19:23:31 <Macer> :)
Jun 04 19:23:38 <Macer> RST38h: screw social security
Jun 04 19:23:52 <Macer> i would rather stick that money into my savings acct
Jun 04 19:24:01 <RST38h> Macer: Of course, you will get ~$1500..$3000 a month in salary =)
Jun 04 19:24:27 <Macer> the cost of living is probably a little lower
Jun 04 19:25:04 <Macer> but i think you're right. i'm going to move to another country if i can
Jun 04 19:25:08 <Macer> i'm sick of the US
Jun 04 19:25:19 <Macer> nobody has a job so they can't fund their pork projects
Jun 04 19:25:48 <Macer> so they hike up taxes 50% just so they can plant some trees in a state park. it's really bad.
Jun 04 19:26:49 <Macer> we sure are in a sad state of affairs
Jun 04 19:27:00 <JamieBennett> do you change the maintainer field in the debian/control file to your own or leave it as the original package?
Jun 04 19:28:49 <mikkov_> JamieBennett: if you made any changes, change it
Jun 04 19:29:40 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ Just packaging up and changed the debian/control file. Its complaining on the build about the original authors sign key not being available
Jun 04 19:31:14 <mikkov_> that counts as a change. you can generally ignore signing warnings
Jun 04 19:31:30 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ Thanks
Jun 04 19:32:29 <mikkov_> JamieBennett: change the package version too
Jun 04 19:33:25 <JamieBennett> is it just be or are the instructions for building a little confusing at times. The web based uploaded says upload the .changes file from the package directory, I look for a .changes file (literally) and don't find one. Its _packagename_-version-something.changes. Doh!
Jun 04 19:34:08 <parigaudi> hi
Jun 04 19:34:37 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ Change the standards-version in the control file?
Jun 04 19:35:13 <GAN800> Macer, don't kid yourself. It may suck, but we're WAY better off.
Jun 04 19:35:51 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ What if my version number conflicts with the next upstream version number?
Jun 04 19:36:04 <parigaudi> on a  new n810, the first thing the device asks for when powered up is the language.  is there any way to have the language set to English without having 12-hou clock format (but 24h instead)?
Jun 04 19:36:12 <mikkov_> JamieBennett: don't change standards-version
Jun 04 19:36:31 <mikkov_> JamieBennett: what's the current package version?
Jun 04 19:37:04 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ 2.5.5-1
Jun 04 19:37:31 <mikkov_> JamieBennett: so new package version would be 2.5.5-1maemo1
Jun 04 19:37:48 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ makes sense
Jun 04 19:37:49 <mikkov_> next upstream would be 2.5.5-2
Jun 04 19:38:48 <fiferboy> lbt: Fixed the timer issue, but it brings up another minor issue
Jun 04 19:38:59 <lbt> what did you do?
Jun 04 19:39:12 <fiferboy> If the scrollarea is in overshoot during the first timer interrupt, things get wierd.
Jun 04 19:39:39 <fiferboy> I added a variable to store the timer_id, and do a check before starting a new timer.
Jun 04 19:39:41 * GAN800 sighs at "Unsatisfied with bugs.maemo.org"
Jun 04 19:39:53 <fiferboy> If the timer_id is not 0, I kill the timer before starting a new one.
Jun 04 19:41:23 <lbt> shouldn't be needed
Jun 04 19:41:51 <lbt> This is probably wrong : 	if (scrollState == AutoScroll and xScrollState == NotScrolling and yScrollState == NotScrolling) {
Jun 04 19:42:17 <stskeeps_> GAN800: if you're interested in some non-head-bashing work in mer, i'm sure we can find something that won't have you bash your head against the wall constantly :P
Jun 04 19:42:32 <lbt> I suspect : if (xScrollState == NotScrolling and yScrollState == NotScrolling) {
Jun 04 19:44:15 <fiferboy> I'll give it a try
Jun 04 19:44:48 <JamieBennett> mikkov_ Thanks for you help, its in the build queue now. Whats the betting it fails though ;)
Jun 04 19:52:37 <fiferboy> lbt: That works
Jun 04 19:52:54 <lbt> good
Jun 04 20:00:50 <lbt> can you work on getting your git and svn in sync fiferboy... need to be able to break these patches down a bit
Jun 04 20:02:53 <fiferboy> lbt: I'm working from svn for now, since the version matches that on my tablet and the hildon patches aren't in gitorious yet
Jun 04 20:03:21 <lbt> true
Jun 04 20:03:44 <lbt> I'm doing the property thing differently though
Jun 04 20:04:21 <fiferboy> Are you working from the gitorious repo?
Jun 04 20:04:36 <lbt> only for fingerscrolling
Jun 04 20:04:56 <lbt> it's a bit of a mess atm
Jun 04 20:05:09 <lbt> gnuton said he was going to push RSN
Jun 04 20:05:49 <fiferboy> Once everything is in gitorious I'll switch over to that
Jun 04 20:15:23 <parigaudi> can i use my N810 usb cable as a network connection to my linux pc? if so, how?
Jun 04 20:16:10 <stskeeps_> look at USB networking
Jun 04 20:16:24 <stskeeps_> http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking
Jun 04 20:18:32 <parigaudi> ok thx
Jun 04 20:20:28 <plok> Someone here got decent sound with mer 0.13? It sounds really distorted here on a n810
Jun 04 20:20:47 <stskeeps_> define decent sound
Jun 04 20:20:53 <stskeeps_> we got alsa working but that's obviously not perfect
Jun 04 20:21:10 <qwerty12_N810> Someone should add http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php to the windows part (nokia built kernel with rndis fix)
Jun 04 20:21:11 <stskeeps_> Meiz_n810: did sound work in 0.13?
Jun 04 20:21:18 <stskeeps_> qwerty12_N810: wow, they did?
Jun 04 20:21:37 <stskeeps_> plok: used the /Sound guide?
Jun 04 20:21:54 <plok> stskeeps_: Yes, i used that one
Jun 04 20:21:56 <Meiz_n810> stskeeps_: only if osso-dsp-loader is installed from the old repo
Jun 04 20:22:06 <plok> stskeeps_: only with mpd the sound is really distorted
Jun 04 20:22:10 <Meiz_n810> it's documented in the wiki
Jun 04 20:22:22 <stskeeps_> plok: k - volume may be a factor i guess
Jun 04 20:22:33 <qwerty12_N810> stskeeps_: yep, not included with diablo but available to flash separately :)
Jun 04 20:22:38 <plok> hehe, yes i spend an hour with alsamixer trying all the combinations
Jun 04 20:22:45 <fiferboy> lbt: I sent you some new files with cleanups and bug fixes
Jun 04 20:22:57 <stskeeps_> plok: .. you don't have pulseaudio coding experience do you? :)
Jun 04 20:23:01 <lbt> 'k thanks :)
Jun 04 20:23:15 <fiferboy> NP.  Have you been able to run it yet?
Jun 04 20:23:22 <plok> hehe, no only alsa
Jun 04 20:23:39 <lbt> plok: want a learning opportunity?
Jun 04 20:23:54 <stskeeps_> damnit :P we have a omap2-dsp pulseaudio plugin but it needs a bit of updating to work with latest pulseaudio
Jun 04 20:23:56 <lbt> fiferboy: no....
Jun 04 20:24:28 <stskeeps_> plok: http://gitorious.org/~elmarco/pulseaudio/pa-work/commit/d92f79b8efe591a4dc184ed803859bcdf7173b46
Jun 04 20:24:40 <qwerty12_N810> plok: in Maemo, libao with ao.conf = alsa09 made mpd work w/out distorted sound
Jun 04 20:24:45 <plok> hehe, i can take a look into it, but it will not be untill next week (trying hard to graduate before summer :p)
Jun 04 20:24:56 <stskeeps_> heh, i'm trying to graduate in general, heh
Jun 04 20:32:22 <plok> qwerty12_N810: thanks :D
Jun 04 20:32:28 <stskeeps_> did the trick?
Jun 04 20:33:07 <plok> i hope to find out in a few minutes :)
Jun 04 20:33:43 <Meiz_n810> qwerty12_N810: it is nice to have a hw-keyboard? :P
Jun 04 20:34:10 <qwerty12_N810> Meiz_n810, certainly :P
Jun 04 20:34:47 <yigal> would someone be willing to give me a suggestion as to which OS I should install on my n800 I a slightly messed up Diablo but maybe I should try Mer?
Jun 04 20:34:57 <Macer> well. guess my damn macbook doesn't burn DL discs
Jun 04 20:34:58 <yigal> 8gb SD
Jun 04 20:35:11 <Meiz_n810> timeless timed out
Jun 04 20:35:14 <yigal> Macer: really
Jun 04 20:35:20 <yigal> Macer: that's sucky
Jun 04 20:35:25 <timeless_mbp_> Meiz_n810: pong
Jun 04 20:35:31 <Macer> yigal: yah it is especially since i need to burn an osx dvd
Jun 04 20:35:48 <Macer> leopard dvd is like 7G so i have to convert it to an iso and burn it in nero on a win box
Jun 04 20:36:24 <Macer> what really sucks is that i can't go down there right now so i'm converting it over wifi.. this is going to take forever.
Jun 04 20:36:26 <timeless_mbp> Meiz_n810: i upgraded my g5 from 10.3.9 to 10.5.6
Jun 04 20:36:40 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 20:36:44 <Macer> that's a pretty big upgrade :)
Jun 04 20:36:47 <yigal> no apple for me, but I understand the allure
Jun 04 20:36:52 <timeless_mbp> and now ethernet doesn't work
Jun 04 20:36:59 <Macer> i was going to install it on a shuttle K45
Jun 04 20:37:07 <Meiz_n810> timeless_mdp: g5?
Jun 04 20:37:12 <Macer> http://mobile.osnews.com/story.php/21564
Jun 04 20:37:17 <Macer> G5 is awesome
Jun 04 20:37:18 <Macer> i wish i had one
Jun 04 20:37:22 <Macer> i miss ppc :(
Jun 04 20:37:31 <timeless_mbp> yep
Jun 04 20:37:51 <Meiz_n810> g5 has something to do with apple right?
Jun 04 20:37:54 <Macer> plus they had sexy cases
Jun 04 20:38:18 <Macer> but i always thought ppc was better than x86 :-\
Jun 04 20:38:31 * Meiz_n810 has no idea what's going on
Jun 04 20:39:12 <Macer> G5 was apple's higher end stuff a while back that used a ppc cpu
Jun 04 20:39:35 <Macer> they're still pretty strong even today. i should buy one on ebay or something
Jun 04 20:39:37 <timeless_mbp> yep
Jun 04 20:39:46 <locutus> G5 is slow by modern standards
Jun 04 20:39:48 <locutus> dog slow :P
Jun 04 20:40:06 <Macer> locutus: heh. depends on how you look at it.
Jun 04 20:40:12 <Macer> i would easily be able to tolerate it :)
Jun 04 20:40:34 <Macer> i'd still love to have one
Jun 04 20:40:44 <locutus> oh, i could argue that my 90MHz. 68060 Amiga is Fast by modern standards then
Jun 04 20:42:07 <Macer> no but it is probably as fast as PCs that came out 4 years after it :)
Jun 04 20:42:14 <locutus> 'haha'
Jun 04 20:42:20 * locutus points to the Core i7 on his desktop
Jun 04 20:42:44 <Macer> do they call them "Core i7" ?
Jun 04 20:44:06 <Macer> i would argue that the ppc arch goes faster than comparable x86 arch
Jun 04 20:44:55 <Macer> meaning a G5 would probably do certain things 30% faster than a comparable x86 based pc at the time
Jun 04 20:46:49 <Meiz_n810> Macer: 200MHz ppc does some performance tests 20x faster than 1.5GHz Celeron
Jun 04 20:47:07 <Meiz_n810> but Celeron is a piece of **** anyway
Jun 04 20:48:13 <locutus> Macer: how does that matter now?
Jun 04 20:48:24 <locutus> also, even back then the G5 wasnt exactly competitive :-/
Jun 04 20:48:30 <locutus> (why am i argueing this, this is retarded)
Jun 04 20:52:26 <Macer> locutus: i don't know either. i just like G5s and would like to have one :)
Jun 04 20:52:35 <locutus> i dont see the point with having one now?
Jun 04 20:52:59 <Macer> to each their own ;)
Jun 04 20:53:32 <Macer> i don't even like osx all that much haha
Jun 04 20:54:00 <timeless_mbp> ok, apple care got my mac to talk to its network interface :)
Jun 04 20:54:03 <Macer> but i think i do like it more than windows and less thatn some X wms
Jun 04 20:54:37 <Macer> a wii is just a G4 :)
Jun 04 20:59:05 <JamieBennett> anyone know where python.mk is installed from (I don't seem to have it)
Jun 04 21:00:04 <qwerty12_N810> possibly cdbs
Jun 04 21:00:38 <JamieBennett> nope, just installed that
Jun 04 21:01:26 <JamieBennett> one of my packages is looking for /usr/share/python/python.mk and I don't have it
Jun 04 21:24:47 * parigaudi is rebooting
Jun 04 21:40:41 <locutus> ]
Jun 04 21:41:21 <radic> uii, en locus *draufsetz*
Jun 04 22:05:03 <radic> tach herwood
Jun 04 22:05:11 <radic> hoi minra
Jun 04 22:05:22 <Macer> wtf
Jun 04 22:05:28 <Macer> is an iso seriously this much larger than a dmg?
Jun 04 22:05:45 <minra> tach alter
Jun 04 22:05:55 <radic> Macer: what?
Jun 04 22:06:08 <radic> minra: dein nick klingt so weiblich#
Jun 04 22:06:13 <Macer> i'm converting a dmg to an iso
Jun 04 22:06:30 <radic> Macer: what's a dmg?
Jun 04 22:06:41 <minra> dann kannste mal loswichsen
Jun 04 22:07:04 <Macer> radic: disc image
Jun 04 22:07:28 <radic> minra: bekomme ich noch en bild von dir?
Jun 04 22:07:39 <radic> wb Locus
Jun 04 22:07:58 <minra> besser ohne
Jun 04 22:08:05 <Locutus73> Hi
Jun 04 22:08:10 <radic> minra: wieso?
Jun 04 22:09:02 <Locutus73> Does anyone know what's up with maemobox.org?
Jun 04 22:10:38 <radic> <-- I drunk to much alk
Jun 04 22:10:45 <GAN800> Locutus, it went down.
Jun 04 22:10:48 <radic> and took GBL
Jun 04 22:11:19 <locutus> GAN800: whut?
Jun 04 22:12:06 <Locutus73> damn... is there any chance to get b-man's Ubuntu image anywhere?
Jun 04 22:12:32 <radic> *Locutus73 en bier hinstell*
Jun 04 22:13:02 <b-man16> Loctus: are you having problems retrieving it?
Jun 04 22:13:34 <Locutus73> yes maemobox.org seems to be down
Jun 04 22:14:04 <Locutus73> various dns cannot resolve it anymore
Jun 04 22:14:41 <b-man16> oh, no 0.o
Jun 04 22:14:49 <Locutus73> even opendns cannot resolve it
Jun 04 22:15:15 <b-man16> it looks like it got tooken down :(((
Jun 04 22:15:43 <Locutus73> any mirror to ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz ?
Jun 04 22:16:14 <b-man16> i'm afraid not :;(
Jun 04 22:17:14 <Locutus73> I hope you have a backup...
Jun 04 22:17:49 <GAN800> andrewfblack had to take it down.
Jun 04 22:18:57 <stskeeps_> properly advertised for quite a while :P
Jun 04 22:20:55 <Locutus73> yes, I read it on talk.maemo.org, but too late
Jun 04 22:21:17 <Locutus73> when I decided to give jaunty a try it was too late
Jun 04 22:22:02 * b-man16 calls himself an idiot for not properly preparing for this XP
Jun 04 22:35:56 <Locutus73> maybe someone on talk.maemo.org has a copy of ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz that can be put online somewhere
Jun 04 22:42:11 <Locutus73> good night, gotta go
Jun 04 23:02:15 <rdvonz> someone, someone someone someone, Help me with pyrdesktop
Jun 04 23:02:22 <rdvonz> I keep getting a connection refused dialog.
Jun 04 23:04:06 <rdvonz> Really? 253 idlers here.... :(
Jun 04 23:16:44 <Macer> damnit
Jun 04 23:16:48 <Macer> this boot 132 doesn't boot
Jun 04 23:16:51 <Macer> bastard
Jun 04 23:22:30 <GAN8001> Jesus christ
Jun 04 23:22:34 <Proteous> you should rename it noboot 132
Jun 04 23:22:54 <GAN8001> Fuck Talk. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293829&postcount=44
Jun 04 23:24:28 * GAN8001 bangs his head on the desk. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293773&postcount=11
Jun 04 23:26:52 <Macer> Proteous: i guess i need to use a different iso to get it to boot on the shuttle
Jun 04 23:26:57 <Macer> i figured the intel one would work
Jun 04 23:35:05 <Macer> omfg are you kidding me? :)
Jun 05 00:13:54 <Proteous> no
Jun 05 00:14:00 <Proteous> I never kid
Jun 05 00:14:06 <GAN800> Liar
Jun 05 00:14:22 <GAN800> Everybody was a kid once.
Jun 05 00:15:55 <Macer> blah. had to download a shuttle iso to use boot 132 to install a retail ver of osx on my shuttle k45
Jun 05 00:16:30 <Macer> also had to use the install term to make the fs because for some sickly apple reason.. the disk manager wouldn't work on the hd
Jun 05 00:25:52 <Proteous> maybe your HD smells bad and OSX has a sensitive nose
Jun 05 00:26:58 <Andrewfblack> Hello
Jun 05 00:30:23 <jophish> hi
Jun 05 00:30:32 <Macer> blah. this damn drive just doesn't seem to want to work
Jun 05 00:30:46 <Macer> it can partition but for some reason it won't format.. newfs gave me a segfault
Jun 05 00:35:24 <Proteous> SATA driver problems?
Jun 05 00:35:33 <Proteous> are you running it in IDE compat mode?
Jun 05 00:35:37 <parigaudi> hi
Jun 05 00:35:45 <Proteous> OMGHI2U!!!11!!one!!
Jun 05 00:35:48 <Proteous> *cough*
Jun 05 00:36:21 <parigaudi> i'm trying to set up usb networking (as i have neither bluetooth nor wlan router)
Jun 05 00:36:42 <parigaudi> i transferred the usb statusbar .deb file to my n810
Jun 05 00:36:54 <parigaudi> but i can't find it there in the filemanager
Jun 05 00:37:33 <parigaudi> in what directory do the files go that i upload with my pc by using my nokia as a mass storage device?
Jun 05 00:37:52 <Proteous> I belive that both the internal and any external memory cards show up
Jun 05 00:39:03 <parigaudi> i have no external mem card, and as for the internal,it shows up as a vfat disk containing the two dirs "map" and "Video"
Jun 05 00:39:33 <parigaudi> the trouble is, i can't find these dirs in the file manager of my n810
Jun 05 00:39:43 <parigaudi> and i don't know where they are
Jun 05 00:40:07 <parigaudi> from within the busybox shell i tried to look around a bit
Jun 05 00:40:27 <Noma> /media/mmc1 or something?
Jun 05 00:42:40 <Proteous> yeah, it should be /media/mmc1
Jun 05 00:42:51 <Proteous> if you have an external card in it can move to mmc2
Jun 05 00:42:55 <Proteous> at least on mine it is
Jun 05 00:44:00 <parigaudi> they are both empty here
Jun 05 00:44:01 <Proteous> make sure you unmount it from you PC before you try to get at the memory card
Jun 05 00:44:06 <parigaudi> oh ok
Jun 05 00:44:14 <Proteous> if it is in mass storage mode you can't access it
Jun 05 00:44:17 <Proteous> from the device
Jun 05 00:45:59 <Macer> Proteous: i doubt it is a problem with the controller
Jun 05 00:46:01 <parigaudi> how do i switch the n810 from mass storage mode to a mode where i can access the files?
Jun 05 00:46:06 <Macer> it can partition the drive :)
Jun 05 00:46:19 <Macer> it sees it .. i am trying a zero-bit erase on it now
Jun 05 00:46:29 <Macer> maybe there is something that win had on it that is preventing it from wiping in the osx install
Jun 05 00:49:18 <Proteous> parigaudi: unmount the drive from your computer and unplug the USB cable
Jun 05 00:49:21 <Proteous> usualy does the trick
Jun 05 00:50:30 <Proteous> Macer, being able to format the drive doesn't mean it's not a SATA compatability problem
Jun 05 00:50:40 <parigaudi> ok thx
Jun 05 00:50:50 <Proteous> <--- too much experience with fuxing SATA drivers in windows
Jun 05 00:51:05 <parigaudi> disconnecting the cable did it (unmounting wasn't enough)
Jun 05 00:51:15 <Proteous> cool
Jun 05 00:51:37 <Proteous> Macer, as a test, if it's not already I'd go into the bios and switch it to IDE mode
Jun 05 00:51:44 <Proteous> see if the install works
Jun 05 00:52:40 <Proteous> in my windows experience you can format the drive just fine in SATA mode but when you go to install it chokes and can't find partitions and such
Jun 05 00:53:21 <Proteous> and then you realize that SATA mode doesn't add any extra features except hot swaping really and you just go with the IDE compat mode...
Jun 05 00:59:57 <parigaudi> what's the root password?
Jun 05 01:01:55 <Proteous> you have to install one of the root getting programs
Jun 05 01:02:03 <Proteous> like becomeroot or gotroot
Jun 05 01:02:07 <Proteous> !root
Jun 05 01:02:52 <Proteous> https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
Jun 05 01:03:06 <parigaudi> ok thx
Jun 05 01:04:08 <Proteous> gotta go now, good luck parigaudi
Jun 05 01:04:23 <parigaudi> good night
Jun 05 01:04:26 <parigaudi> thanks again
Jun 05 01:04:59 <Macer> Proteous: i'll try that out when i get teh chance. right now i'm trying to zero bit it in case windows had something on there that isn't agreeing with the osx install
Jun 05 01:05:10 <Macer> it can partition. just won't format the drive so i will try it out
Jun 05 01:12:36 <Macer> lol. true blood cracks me up
Jun 05 01:21:04 <parigaudi> when i try to install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb from maemo repository (diablo),
Jun 05 01:21:20 <parigaudi> my n810 tells me: "incompatible application package"
Jun 05 01:25:49 <GAN800> dummy is no longer required.
Jun 05 01:29:50 <parigaudi> huh
Jun 05 01:29:54 <parigaudi> ok thx
Jun 05 01:31:31 <parigaudi> since when?
Jun 05 01:31:43 <th3_4zarado> wine with maemo = Yes or No?
Jun 05 01:32:11 <parigaudi> is that already true for the version that currently ships with the n810?
Jun 05 01:34:00 <GAN800> parigaudi, this version or the one before.
Jun 05 01:34:04 <lcuk> th3_4zarado, yes please, red for me
Jun 05 01:35:01 <parigaudi> ok thx
Jun 05 01:35:30 <parigaudi> so what do i have to do on the tablet toconnect via usb?
Jun 05 01:35:51 <parigaudi> just select "usb ethernet mode"?
Jun 05 01:36:04 <Andrewfblack> where is stskeeps_ when I need him : )
Jun 05 01:37:49 <parigaudi> oh wait, is "usb ethernet" mode something where the tablet wants an usb to ethernet converter?
Jun 05 01:38:11 <parigaudi> or is it something where it tells the pc that it is an usb to ethernet converter?
Jun 05 01:40:48 <Macer> wtf. yeah. true blood just took a strange twist
Jun 05 01:52:07 <mib_fu04ge> how to print the log on the console?
Jun 05 01:52:47 <mib_fu04ge> i use function called g_print,but i can't see the log.
Jun 05 01:53:04 <mib_fu04ge> is there anybody who know about it?
Jun 05 01:53:36 <parigaudi> good nicght all
Jun 05 01:53:52 <LiraNuna> any news on the N900?
Jun 05 01:54:13 <Firebird> mib_fu04ge, the log of what?
Jun 05 01:54:45 <mib_fu04ge> the program
Jun 05 01:54:52 <mib_fu04ge> debug program
Jun 05 01:55:24 <Firebird> mib_fu04ge, gdb?
Jun 05 01:55:26 <mib_fu04ge> like android function log.d
Jun 05 01:55:41 <mib_fu04ge> No
Jun 05 01:57:11 <mib_fu04ge> i want to debug a .so file
Jun 05 01:57:11 <mib_fu04ge> it is a input-method plugin
Jun 05 01:57:39 <mib_fu04ge> Firebird,usually which tool you use to debug
Jun 05 01:57:58 <Firebird> gnu debugger
Jun 05 01:58:04 <mib_fu04ge> Now,i use the Eclipse to devolop
Jun 05 01:58:19 <Firebird> yea, I use Eclipse which uses gdb
Jun 05 01:59:32 <mib_fu04ge> I don't know how to use it in IDE envirenment.
Jun 05 02:00:19 <mib_fu04ge> sorry, environment
Jun 05 02:01:31 <mib_fu04ge> i build a package in eclipse,but i can't import the package,why?
Jun 05 02:02:33 <chx> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3956 this bugs lead me to think it's possible to irc
Jun 05 02:02:37 <chx> how?
Jun 05 02:02:42 <chx> I googled...
Jun 05 02:02:43 <Firebird> mib_fu04ge, what do you mean by build a package
Jun 05 02:12:44 <mib_fu04ge> In Eclipse environment,i don't know how to  debug plugin.
Jun 05 02:13:21 <mib_fu04ge> i know once i run program in eclipse,it will open debug prospective.
Jun 05 02:13:58 <mib_fu04ge> but when i debug input-method-plugins-example ,it says there is no binery file.
Jun 05 02:13:59 <chx> Please help! I see  osso-accounts-plugin-idle here but ... in the Application manager despite having installed the extra.install file its not there
Jun 05 02:14:44 <Firebird> mib_fu04ge, you need to build the source first (ctrl+b)
Jun 05 02:14:53 <mib_fu04ge> The error: there is no binary file and i can't debug with gdb
Jun 05 02:15:47 <mib_fu04ge> You mean i should build a source file like *.c or *.cpp file
Jun 05 02:15:57 <Firebird> yes
Jun 05 02:16:09 <Firebird> you can't debug source code without compiling it
Jun 05 02:16:20 <Firebird> (with gdb)
Jun 05 02:16:58 <mib_fu04ge> i am using the code sample
Jun 05 02:17:25 <mib_fu04ge> hildon-input-method-plugins-example
Jun 05 02:17:37 <mib_fu04ge> i just want to debug it
Jun 05 02:19:17 <Firebird> you still need to build it...
Jun 05 02:19:52 <mib_fu04ge> i get from eclipse using "project from debian repository"
Jun 05 02:20:06 <mib_fu04ge> the example
Jun 05 02:20:15 <Firebird> >_<
Jun 05 02:21:19 <mib_fu04ge> I know the project is a plugin example which generates a .so file in folder binary
Jun 05 02:25:57 <mib_fu04ge> because i don't know where is the the .deb file in project and i build package using command 'dpkg-build -rfakeroot -b '
Jun 05 02:27:29 <mib_fu04ge> finally i install it and it works
Jun 05 02:28:06 <mib_fu04ge> but i really want to know how it works and i modify someting to debug it
Jun 05 02:30:59 <mib_fu04ge> I just want to know how to debug plugin project which will generate .so file but bin flile.
Jun 05 02:50:24 <derf> http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+best+in+life%3F
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