**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 18 02:59:56 2009 Jul 18 03:03:28 what is advanced-battery? Jul 18 07:03:52 chx, it's a panel applet to show % battery remaining, along with other system stats. Jul 18 07:04:12 jason__: great, where can i find it? Jul 18 07:04:47 Well, it's in one of the repositories I have installed on my tablet - let me check which Jul 18 07:08:17 jason__: thanks Jul 18 07:11:25 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php, search for 'advanced-power' Jul 18 07:50:13 ahhhh advanced-power! Jul 18 08:45:19 lbt: my quest for the ultimate device is here : http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=586304#p586304 maybe you have some tips for me? :) Jul 18 08:45:55 oops - need a login Jul 18 08:46:04 hmm crap Jul 18 08:47:17 waiting for mail :) Jul 18 08:48:44 lbt: oh well, basically I'm looking for a portable (fits in pocket) device which I can do all my personal organizing with (so a hardware keyboard is a good idea), it must have a very open OS (i'm not too fond of android which' userland is only java) so I can run all tools i would run on my normal desktop (perl/c things using libc/python/...) like mplayer, mpd, mutt, vim , urxvt, bash and such Jul 18 08:49:08 * lbt proposes N810+Mer Jul 18 08:49:13 lbt: oh, and it should also be usable as a phone. that's the problem with nokias n8* stuff Jul 18 08:50:00 and i would prefer to use a headset (earbugs with microphone), so the size may be a bit bigger then a regular phone as i don't intend to hold it next to my ear much Jul 18 08:50:38 N900 may well be the one Jul 18 08:50:44 yeah i think that too Jul 18 08:50:44 it'll be less open though Jul 18 08:50:48 and pricey Jul 18 08:50:55 * lbt wants one Jul 18 08:51:19 less open? Jul 18 08:51:26 how's that? Jul 18 08:51:35 Nokia can't/won't open everything Jul 18 08:51:53 * lbt should say "less open than Mer" Jul 18 08:52:28 Mer is the community effort (with Nokia assistance) to make an open distro for N8x0 Jul 18 08:52:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jul 18 08:52:51 well i don't mind if the device drivers and such are closed Jul 18 08:53:05 it will be as hackable as n8x0 but some blobs may be needed on top of a open system for hw interfacing Jul 18 08:53:19 i can live with that :) Jul 18 08:53:39 Stskeeps: I met Dieterbe in the uzbl area Jul 18 08:54:04 http://www.uzbl.org/ Jul 18 08:54:05 if i'm free as a bird in userspace, that's what matters most to me Jul 18 08:56:06 historically the maemo OS hasn't had a huge repo backing it up Jul 18 08:56:14 but it's been 'portable to' Jul 18 08:57:05 what do you mean exactly? Jul 18 08:57:37 The standard release points to a complete repo Jul 18 08:57:47 but it is very sparse. Jul 18 08:58:22 So you end up porting loads of libraries etc Jul 18 08:58:32 is that a problem? Jul 18 08:58:42 and then you find that it wasn't based on a snapshot of a known distro Jul 18 08:58:48 so version mismatches occur Jul 18 08:59:04 it becomes harder than it should Jul 18 08:59:32 but, if you can code it, you can run it Jul 18 08:59:44 in Mer we've based on Ubuntu Jul 18 09:00:05 so we provide all the maemo deltas to ubuntu base libs Jul 18 09:00:19 so we have all the 'touchability' of maemo Jul 18 09:00:31 but can apt-get install any ubuntu app Jul 18 09:00:46 it may be crap to use (screen/keyboard/mouse) Jul 18 09:00:50 but it should run Jul 18 09:01:04 so 'apt-get install mysql-server' Jul 18 09:01:06 works Jul 18 09:01:32 for standard maemo that'd take weeks of backporting a chain of libraries Jul 18 09:01:51 lbt> it may be crap to use (screen/keyboard/mouse) <-- can't you just use the same UI stuff as maemo then? Jul 18 09:02:00 ah Jul 18 09:02:13 I meant installing a non adapted application Jul 18 09:02:33 eg trying to run Qt-designer on a tiny screen is insane Jul 18 09:02:38 but it runs Jul 18 09:04:02 a lot of what Mer/maemo does is adapt UIs to make them work on small, touch devices Jul 18 09:04:11 hence the interest in uzbl Jul 18 09:04:32 the idea of a seperate touch UI 'controlling' it Jul 18 09:04:58 and the idea of uzbl linking to the same DB as the contact mgr Jul 18 09:05:47 what issues do you have with the tear browser? my guess would be it's easier to hack on tear to integrate with your stuff then to use uzbl Jul 18 09:05:57 lbt, do you know why geany from extras doesn't have vkb? Jul 18 09:05:58 quite possibly Jul 18 09:06:09 Mer Extras? Jul 18 09:06:35 lbt, we're on #maemo :) Jul 18 09:06:44 * lbt is lost Jul 18 09:07:21 Is there any chance it's using fremantle code? Jul 18 09:07:50 no idea Jul 18 09:08:00 some apps are being ported towards fremantle and I think there are assumptions about a hw kb Jul 18 09:08:11 otherwise, no, sorry Jul 18 09:08:43 lbt, doesn't h-i-m automagically work with everything gtk-based? Jul 18 09:08:50 Dieterbe: I liked the idea of a controllable browser Jul 18 09:08:57 slonopotamus: yes, it should Jul 18 09:09:26 lbbt, well, it doesn't for geany :) Jul 18 09:09:40 hello Jul 18 09:09:56 Hi lbt Jul 18 09:10:04 hey GnutOnMobile Jul 18 09:10:22 I just started Mer-Qt last night Jul 18 09:10:33 lbt: uzbl is at this point very aimed towards keyboard control, there are no gui widgets and no mouse gestures and such Jul 18 09:10:56 Dieterbe: ah, I was hoping it was 'socket' controlled Jul 18 09:11:06 so no assumptions on input Jul 18 09:11:31 you heard slonopotamus... we can't assume a keyboard and there are horrid hacks to fake X-events and the like Jul 18 09:11:47 lbt: yeah it is socket controlled Jul 18 09:12:12 GnutOnMobile: I'd like to discuss the git branch Qt thing sometime when you're at a real KB Jul 18 09:12:27 lbt, ... if you need hacks, you're doing smth wrong :) Jul 18 09:12:42 Dieterbe: so echo "scroll up" | uzbl Jul 18 09:13:45 lbt: scroll_vert | uzbl :) Jul 18 09:14:04 yes Jul 18 09:14:27 though there are challenges to make that 'sync' with precise finger movements Jul 18 09:14:46 lbt: look at "command syntax" and "variables and constants" @ http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/928fc65c34e8360e7019f4181530377cc6374432/README Jul 18 10:14:53 Hello, I want to develop a QT application for n810 running maemo 4. I want the application to display a dynamically changing SVG, allow the user to annotate it using stylus and save it as SVG. Will this be feasible? Jul 18 10:18:39 no answers? Jul 18 10:18:58 patience :) Jul 18 10:19:04 lbt, ping Jul 18 10:22:42 Qt_developer, seems doable for me, but I'm far from a Qt expert :) Jul 18 10:30:24 Stskeeps: hi Jul 18 10:30:44 ah, he's gone Jul 18 10:31:01 QT_developer_: hi Jul 18 10:31:07 hi Jul 18 10:31:16 you've not gone then :) Jul 18 10:31:33 ya i m here. net connection is not good here. Jul 18 10:31:45 OK, so Qt on the tablet is as capable as Qt anywhere else Jul 18 10:32:22 typically any Qt app will run on the tablet - the main concerns are UI Jul 18 10:33:30 I don't see any issues at all doing what you want - other than writing the code ;) Jul 18 10:35:21 lbt: ok, but I read on QT website that it supports only static SVG Jul 18 10:35:55 *static tiny SVG Jul 18 10:36:11 Ok, so you may need to discuss this on #qt --- I can tell you about Qt on maemo but not all of Qt :) Jul 18 10:37:53 ok, thanks. and are there any existing packages to display svg on n810? does microb support it? Jul 18 10:39:02 Jayesh uses svg in his inkface thing: http://jyro.blogspot.com/2008/09/inkface-svg-based-gui-design.html Jul 18 10:39:17 not best performance wise, but shows it exists Jul 18 10:40:15 ok. thanks for the link. Jul 18 10:42:37 mornin lbt \o Jul 18 10:57:39 new blackberry has micro usb slot Jul 18 10:57:41 meh Jul 18 12:26:24 for what ist dbus-daemon? Jul 18 12:26:59 daemon for dbus? Jul 18 13:06:38 qwerty12_N810: hah, cool re eioffice Jul 18 13:08:32 Stskeeps: I think it's only a viewer... Jul 18 13:08:55 still bloody useful Jul 18 13:09:12 see http://www.evermoresw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=62 Jul 18 13:10:20 mer should get in bed with those s101 guys really :P think there'd be a quite nice synergy Jul 18 13:10:43 Interesting that they don't list the N8x0 (OK, S101) as supported Jul 18 13:11:09 * Stskeeps ponders idly what flashplayer deb is Jul 18 13:11:17 Flash Player 7 Jul 18 13:11:29 (according to a string, anyway...) Jul 18 13:12:23 ah Jul 18 13:12:54 I was hoping that it would say 10 =) Jul 18 13:13:24 yeah, that'd be leet :P Jul 18 13:45:07 my touchbook shipped! and it has a beta of google OS on it! i guess that's what always innovating is using! Jul 18 13:46:01 google OS? :P Jul 18 13:46:09 that's interesting Jul 18 13:46:25 Macer: What did they call it exactly? Jul 18 13:46:28 Stskeeps: lol. i'm just joking. just wanted to get vaporumor out there Jul 18 13:46:34 Ah Jul 18 13:46:35 Macer: foo Jul 18 13:46:36 :P Jul 18 13:46:36 haha Jul 18 13:46:40 sorry Jul 18 13:46:42 * Jaffa thought you might have misread gOS ;-) Jul 18 13:46:46 i could have rolled with it Jul 18 13:46:51 :) Jul 18 13:46:56 maybe rendered a bunch of fake pics Jul 18 13:46:59 Macer: did it ship though? Jul 18 13:46:59 :P Jul 18 13:47:06 naw.. i'm still waiting lol Jul 18 13:47:15 supposed to either this week or next Jul 18 13:47:21 so (crossed fingers) Jul 18 13:47:25 i am anxiosu to get a hold of it Jul 18 13:47:48 this aspireone is driving me nuts on battery life Jul 18 13:47:56 Stskeeps: did you preorder oen? Jul 18 13:47:59 nop Jul 18 13:48:12 going to order one when you realize it's not fake? :) Jul 18 13:48:15 i'm waiting with gadget purchases until i get a job after moving to poland Jul 18 13:48:28 so we'll see where i end up Jul 18 13:48:31 oh yeah. you're moving to the badwater poland :) Jul 18 13:48:39 so you are moving blind huh? Jul 18 13:48:42 no job lined up? Jul 18 13:48:56 that's balsy. she must be very pretty haha Jul 18 13:49:00 ballsy Jul 18 13:49:36 there are some gorgeous polish women here in chicago. amazign how some of them keep their figure after having children but they manage to do it :) Jul 18 13:50:22 Macer: well, i have opportunities but nothing manifested yet, but i do have about 10-20 days of holiday and savings so Jul 18 13:50:56 yeah but 20 days is not much to gamble on finding a new good paying job in the middle of recessed poland ;) Jul 18 13:51:13 why moving to poland? Jul 18 13:51:16 Macer: also, we have no rent Jul 18 13:51:25 so that helps a lot Jul 18 13:51:26 i mean you don't really think economic oppurtunity when you think Poland Jul 18 13:51:37 tax's good Jul 18 13:51:38 :P Jul 18 13:51:39 yeah i'm sure it does Jul 18 13:52:17 well. you don't really need to be a computer person Jul 18 13:52:24 i'm sure poland has plenty of blue collar jobs Jul 18 13:52:37 Luke-Jr: personal reasons mostly - i have an education where i can work whereever and my fiancee and soon to be wife (15 aug!) spent more time in .dk to be with me, so it's my time to repay the favour Jul 18 13:53:05 you can always mix cement or work the fields ;) Jul 18 13:53:25 Stskeeps: i c.. Jul 18 13:53:36 I need to find a place with sane government Jul 18 13:53:44 greenland? :P Jul 18 13:53:48 after i graduated high school i worked at a chemical plant for 3 years Jul 18 13:54:00 it paid very well believe it or not.. but it was hard work Jul 18 13:54:32 * Stskeeps ponders if he has some less noisy 2.5" hds in the basement Jul 18 13:54:50 hello everyone :P Jul 18 13:54:54 noisy 2.5" drives? :) Jul 18 13:55:01 that's kind of odd isn't it? Jul 18 13:55:15 is anybody able to use Google Maps with Maemo Mapper? Jul 18 13:55:15 didn't someone find a kilo of drugs in the greenland prime minister's home? :> Jul 18 13:55:15 i guess my older ibm thinkpad had a pretty loud drive Jul 18 13:55:18 Macer: yeah.. i have a old ibm hd in the laptop Jul 18 13:55:25 Stskeeps: haha Jul 18 13:55:25 ShadowJK: do you blame him? Jul 18 13:55:25 :P Jul 18 13:55:35 Macer: not really. Current 2.5" drives will click while working. It's even in the manual. Jul 18 13:55:44 Jul 18 13:55:47 cue* Jul 18 13:55:59 gomiam: the ibm drive did more of a clunk than a click Jul 18 13:56:12 Macer: oh, that might be something else :D Jul 18 13:56:17 no.. it worked Jul 18 13:56:21 i still have it believe it or not Jul 18 13:56:23 In soviet russia, you clunk the drive Jul 18 13:56:25 good. Jul 18 13:56:27 ShadowJK: haha Jul 18 13:56:38 gomiam: i horde stuff like that :) i never throw hardware out Jul 18 13:56:40 ShadowJK: in Soviet Russia, the clunk drives! Jul 18 13:56:41 :P Jul 18 13:56:52 except old crt monitors just so i can slowly wipe out hong kong Jul 18 13:56:54 you win :-) Jul 18 13:57:06 slowly wipe out hong kong? Jul 18 13:57:14 global warming? Jul 18 13:57:15 ShadowJK: lol Jul 18 13:57:20 Stskeeps: no.. "recycling" Jul 18 13:57:28 anyway, back to my question. Does anybody use Google Maps data for Maemo Mapper? Jul 18 13:57:35 gomiam: i don't sorry Jul 18 13:57:36 I thought google maps data didn't work Jul 18 13:57:44 can you even use google maps? Jul 18 13:57:50 ShadowJK: it used to work, but it doesn't any more, it seems Jul 18 13:57:51 i thought it was against the lic Jul 18 13:58:00 (at least as far as I have tested) Jul 18 13:58:06 I would suspect google blocked it pretty soon? Jul 18 13:58:13 I would need to tcpdump a bit more date to be sure :) Jul 18 13:58:16 heh Jul 18 13:58:33 google won't even let android download the damn maps Jul 18 13:58:40 ShadowJK: not too soon... I think it still worked in spring. Jul 18 13:58:46 i was driving to cleveland and when i hit the boonies i was just a dot in the middle of nothingness on my g1 Jul 18 13:58:53 not that I'm too worried, I can always fallback on Open Street Jul 18 13:58:55 thank god it had a compass Jul 18 13:58:58 gomiam: go see talk.maemo.org threads Jul 18 13:59:00 Macer, did you still have data connectivity.. Jul 18 13:59:11 i don't know how the iphone 3g guys did it without a compass Jul 18 13:59:13 * Macer grins Jul 18 13:59:15 there's probably someone with same issue Jul 18 13:59:15 ShadowJK: no Jul 18 13:59:29 i lost it.. because i was in the middle of nowhere Jul 18 13:59:30 Stskeeps: will do... though the last time I checked there was no easy URL to drop on Maemo Mapper ;) Jul 18 13:59:49 i had to drive like 40 miles before it picked up a gprs data signal from god only knows where Jul 18 13:59:56 a secret military base in the middle of indiana? Jul 18 13:59:57 Macer, so the maps were blocked by the failure of your operator's coverage? :) Jul 18 14:00:04 ShadowJK: yes Jul 18 14:00:05 heh Jul 18 14:00:06 rather than google Jul 18 14:00:13 anyway, I must go see some Roman ruins in a bit. Thanks for taking the time to talk it over :) Jul 18 14:00:26 but then i asked "why doesn't google maps just download the route so you don't need a data connection all the time?" Jul 18 14:00:44 have a nice afternoon (or morning or night, choose the one that applies) Jul 18 14:00:45 :P Jul 18 14:00:45 and someone told me it was against the lic Jul 18 14:01:02 google maps on symbian also doesn't download in advance, but if you open it and scroll along your route it might stay in ram :) Jul 18 14:01:09 yeah Jul 18 14:01:11 that crap sucks Jul 18 14:01:16 and it doesn't adjust to speed either Jul 18 14:01:26 i was goign like 90mph and it kept scrolling Jul 18 14:01:43 because by default it gives you like 1 block at a time or something equally retarded but it isn't much Jul 18 14:01:49 i had to zoom out in the middle of driving Jul 18 14:02:12 i expected the zoom to adjust for speed unless you were nearing a turn or something Jul 18 14:03:27 those are starting to be some pretty funky algorithms Jul 18 14:03:29 Nokia maps works better in this regard :) Jul 18 14:05:10 segment 14: CRC mismatch E173D4E5 != B4DC1CED Jul 18 14:05:24 i always wondered.. if it knows what it's supposed to be why can't it just change it? Jul 18 14:05:27 :) Jul 18 14:06:08 it knows what the sum is supposed to be, but it doesn't know what the individual numbers that make up the sum are supposed to be Jul 18 14:06:20 therefore, if the sum is wrong, it concludes that the individual components of it must have an error Jul 18 14:07:41 but there are only so many combonations of numbers that can result in the sum Jul 18 14:07:52 combinations.. i'm eating combos :) Jul 18 14:08:02 waiting for my son to wake up Jul 18 14:08:11 little guy has been sleeping forever Jul 18 14:08:24 i should wake him up and see how he likes it Jul 18 14:08:26 hahah Jul 18 14:08:45 wake up.. wake up.... hello? hello? wake up?? you wake up? let's play... LET'S PLAY!!! Jul 18 14:08:50 Macer: If you've got a 32-bit checksum, then you can make any byte sequence have the same checksum by changing just 4 bytes. Any 4 bytes. Jul 18 14:09:21 So if you've got 8 bytes, that's already 4 billion combinations that have the same checksum. Jul 18 14:09:34 [1294338.852927] hald[17538]: segfault at b7a85008 ip b7d81078 sp bfa2434c error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b7d0a000+15c000] Jul 18 14:09:35 woops Jul 18 14:10:00 If you've got a block of any appreciable size, there's more possibilities than protons in the universe. Jul 18 14:10:09 lol! Jul 18 14:10:41 so you're saying a repair off of a crc wouldn't be practical through trial and error? :) Jul 18 14:10:57 Sure it would. You'd just need a much, much larger CRC. Jul 18 14:11:22 moo all Jul 18 14:14:42 derf: sounds like the perpetual machine Jul 18 14:14:55 trying to get more output than input Jul 18 14:15:18 No, by adding more bits to the CRC, you're adding more input. Jul 18 14:15:28 at the cost of output Jul 18 14:15:45 what is the point of having a 5G CRC for a 1MB file? :) Jul 18 14:15:56 You'd be able to correct a lot of errors. Jul 18 14:16:02 lol! Jul 18 14:16:03 Including errors in the CRC itself. Jul 18 14:16:21 i'm using the google gears stuff Jul 18 14:16:30 just to see what it looks like :) Jul 18 14:16:37 I mean, this is basically what NASA does for interplanetary communication. Jul 18 14:16:53 They use codes with a _lot_ of redundancy built in, because the error rate is high. Jul 18 14:17:23 ok.. that is a very specialized reason to do so but i get your point ;) Jul 18 14:18:04 But this is also what RAID arrays do in configurations with redundancy. Jul 18 14:18:27 EDGE just sends error codes until receiver says it has enough to reconstruct message :-) Jul 18 14:18:31 E.g., RAID5 uses an entire disk's worth of checksums. Jul 18 14:19:07 CRC is very inefficient for actually correcting errors though, but it's fast for detecting errors Jul 18 14:25:58 hm Jul 18 14:26:03 terminal theme for gmail is neat Jul 18 14:26:11 reminds me of a bbs Jul 18 14:29:51 hm Jul 18 14:30:02 just noticed that google lets you rent more storage space Jul 18 14:30:14 with the most being 400G for $500/yr Jul 18 14:55:03 hm Jul 18 14:55:40 ~burn cpu-hogging build tools :-( Jul 18 14:55:41 * infobot pours gasoline all over cpu-hogging build tools :-(, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jul 18 15:00:02 don't do that Jul 18 15:00:08 send them to your local recycling center Jul 18 15:00:29 they will see to it chinese slave labor outside of hong kong can do something with it Jul 18 15:02:06 can't do that. It kills my cpu with both cores on 100% usage , but I need to work with it nonetheless Jul 18 15:02:31 fail Jul 18 15:07:03 General question: if I mount my SD card in my blackberry under Linux, then pump some media on it, and upon disconnect of the USB cable to the phone, my handset says "Invalid Memory Card", followed by impossibility to mount under Linux (no partitions), impossibility to format from either Linux or handset Jul 18 15:07:11 I'd say the card is toast, anyone agree with that standpoint? Jul 18 15:07:38 do you remember to unmount it properly under linux? :P Jul 18 15:07:53 sure Jul 18 15:08:11 completely? ubuntu mounts it automatically for me, which is a pain :P Jul 18 15:08:23 sudo umount /dev/sdc* Jul 18 15:08:41 usually takes care of it Jul 18 15:08:46 *nod* Jul 18 15:09:00 crashanddie, dd if=/dev/sdc | sha1sum Jul 18 15:09:26 do it twice, does it complete without error, does it produce same result? Jul 18 15:09:40 next step woudl be to write an image and then compare the checksums :-) Jul 18 15:09:44 but that's a destructive test Jul 18 15:09:53 dd: opening `/dev/sdc': No medium found Jul 18 15:10:26 upon USB connection it says: [ 1290.684759] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk Jul 18 15:12:22 looks like it sees the reader but no card Jul 18 15:13:55 ShadowJK, any further ideas? Jul 18 15:16:23 Test it with 220. Jul 18 15:16:41 220? Jul 18 15:16:48 volts? Jul 18 15:17:08 Why not? Jul 18 15:17:26 crashanddie, well that looks properly broken Jul 18 15:17:34 got any other readers? Jul 18 15:17:40 well Jul 18 15:17:48 short answer: no Jul 18 15:18:00 long answer: corporate IP I can't talk about Jul 18 15:19:21 well you know, trying different card in reader, trying different readers with card is basic troubleshooting process Jul 18 15:19:58 I know Jul 18 15:20:04 will have to go to the office to get other cards Jul 18 15:22:49 try different reader too Jul 18 15:23:13 will have to nick a couple of other blackberries Jul 18 15:24:26 anyone here using doneit? Jul 18 15:24:47 and something else than a blackberry.. Jul 18 15:24:50 can't say I've doneit Jul 18 15:24:54 laff Jul 18 15:25:08 it says it needs pygtk & glade Jul 18 15:25:12 which im struggling to find Jul 18 15:25:19 ShadowJK, that might be trickier Jul 18 15:25:44 anyway, if I don't speak to you guys anymore, I'm off to the Ukraine for a few demos/deployments and then off for 2 weeks of holidays :D Jul 18 15:25:47 well this is annoying Jul 18 15:25:48 So take care, and have fun! Jul 18 15:25:51 i have to have the browser open and doing something Jul 18 15:25:53 so that i can use ssh Jul 18 15:26:01 is this a known problem/issue or something? Jul 18 15:26:22 i don't need that Jul 18 15:26:33 my idle time for "wlan" is set to unlimited Jul 18 15:26:57 hmm Jul 18 15:26:59 and automatically connect? Jul 18 15:27:00 this is rather RATHER annoying Jul 18 15:27:06 uh, i dunno Jul 18 15:27:10 it's connected Jul 18 15:27:17 should i change the search interval? Jul 18 15:27:35 is this trying to ssh into tablet? Jul 18 15:27:38 yes Jul 18 15:27:39 not out from tablet? Jul 18 15:27:41 ah Jul 18 15:27:43 i'm ssh'd into the tablet right now Jul 18 15:27:54 however, no data gets transferred unless im using the internet on the tablet somehow Jul 18 15:28:04 I would guess that lowering the beacon interval on your AP would help Jul 18 15:28:05 it's always done this. it'll drop the connection after a while Jul 18 15:28:21 oh? i'll give that a shot Jul 18 15:28:26 since it's probably wifi powersaving causing tablet to appear absent for too long at a time or your computer giving up too soon Jul 18 15:28:51 or you could try disable powersaving on the tablet, I guess. It's in advanced when you edit a connection (but affects all connections) Jul 18 15:29:01 i'll have a look at that now Jul 18 15:29:06 thanks Jul 18 15:29:39 beacon interval is set to 100ms Jul 18 15:30:26 aha, powersaving is on maximum Jul 18 15:30:49 i wonder how much of an effect this will have on my battery Jul 18 15:30:50 I think I have 40ms Jul 18 15:30:58 the effect is huge. Jul 18 15:31:04 really? :x Jul 18 15:31:43 I think idletime goes from being measured in days to being measured in hours Jul 18 15:31:54 i forgot i was on wireless to Jul 18 15:31:56 hah Jul 18 15:32:08 the effect is huge. Jul 18 15:32:09

really? :x Jul 18 15:32:09 I think idletime goes from being measured in days to being measured in hours Jul 18 15:32:20 though I haven't tested :) Jul 18 15:32:26 ouch Jul 18 15:32:31 well it's struggling to connect atm Jul 18 15:32:32 :S Jul 18 15:32:53 reconnecting... Jul 18 15:33:15 still connecting. Jul 18 15:33:17 aha Jul 18 15:33:26 battery is at 79% atm Jul 18 15:33:30 i'll see how long this lastas me Jul 18 15:35:28 know of any decent getting started with python+gtk guides for maemo? Jul 18 15:35:33 i've found the one on pymaemo.garage.org Jul 18 15:41:17 * GAN800 wonders if it's the public library system that has confused people on the definition of non-fiction. . . . Jul 18 15:42:08 probably not Jul 18 15:42:13 religion Jul 18 15:42:22 blame the authors Jul 18 15:47:26 RST38h, has nothing at all to do with authors. Jul 18 15:47:40 lbt, nor that. Jul 18 15:48:29 By 'confusion', I mean asking for the 'non-fiction section' in a store with more than 500k books. Jul 18 15:48:39 * lbt wonders how many people who use libraries are actually confused Jul 18 15:49:57 Hello. Where can I get the openstreet database for maemo mapper on the net? Because mapper is downloading the levels too slowly. Jul 18 15:54:18 GAN: Oh, I meant somewhat different thing. Jul 18 15:58:24 RST38h, right. Jul 18 15:58:26 A lot of people seem to mean biographies when they say 'non-fiction', but car repair manuals also qualify under the proper definition. Jul 18 15:59:37 thats argueable Jul 18 16:01:34 Unless you buy car manuals for imaginary cars, no. Jul 18 16:07:25 * lbt agrees with locutus... and wonders if GAN has ever read a car manual whilst looking at a real car. The one being written about often sounds imaginary. Jul 18 16:09:21