**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 20 02:59:57 2009 Jul 20 05:53:41 for thread programming in maemo which one i can use..? Jul 20 05:53:53 any suggestion? Jul 20 06:22:10 I add my input method plug-ins, why plug-ins menu to choose the input method in the sub-menu is displayed on this gray Jul 20 07:26:20 hello world Jul 20 07:26:41 morning! :) Jul 20 07:29:06 do you read maemo bug jar? Jul 20 07:30:13 haven't done it yet this morning, but in general yes :) Jul 20 07:30:33 ok, before you read today's Jul 20 07:30:56 can you give me a rough from memory summary of how you remember things from the last bug jar? Jul 20 07:31:06 mostly an impression Jul 20 07:31:22 are any components improving? are any components getting worse? Jul 20 07:31:25 things like that Jul 20 07:33:05 as the new beta_2 came last week a lot of things has been fixed there Jul 20 07:33:11 have a look here Jul 20 07:33:13 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_release_notes/ Jul 20 07:36:24 danielwilms: yeah, i don't care :) Jul 20 07:36:33 that's not the goal of my inquiry Jul 20 07:36:53 the question is basically: does the bug jar enable you to see where things are getting better Jul 20 07:37:22 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jul 20 07:37:54 why the heck is HAM's section using Justification? Jul 20 07:38:14 and would someone please teach the relnotes author about HTML's ? Jul 20 07:39:04 * timeless_mbp really hates the color scheme used by maemo.org for links :( Jul 20 07:39:16 who thought light gray was a good idea for followed links? Jul 20 07:40:15 oh, also... does anyone know if changes to the Maemo5 Dev Doc online will get reflected back into the original content? Jul 20 07:41:17 timeles_mbp: the bug-jar gives a good overview what the biggest issues are and what was adressed during the week...so you can see some steady improvements...sometimes more, sometimes less ;) Jul 20 07:42:35 danielwilms: well, after you read today's jar, lemme know which things you think improved :) Jul 20 07:43:14 sometimes less :) hey...it's vacation's period :) Jul 20 07:45:27 morning timeless_mbp, danielwilms Jul 20 07:45:30 hi Jul 20 07:45:43 morning Jul 20 07:45:56 * RST38h yawns widelu Jul 20 07:45:57 y Jul 20 07:46:16 All right, gentlemen, what are the news? X900? C900? =) Jul 20 07:46:35 Nokia XXX, obviously. Jul 20 07:47:06 with vin diesel in the commercials Jul 20 07:49:18 danielwilms: oh, i know that... but that's not the point... Jul 20 07:49:23 i'm fishing for something specific Jul 20 07:49:24 play along :) Jul 20 07:49:39 if the answer is that you don't think anything specific has improved, you can just say that Jul 20 07:51:48 Sts: With a vibration feature. Jul 20 07:52:30 Sts: BTW, Nokia already has a lipstick-shapred fashion phone, so adding a vibration feature to that should work Jul 20 07:53:08 and we have an instant winner, coupling it with pornographic linux applications Jul 20 07:53:08 :P Jul 20 07:53:20 somehow i don't think that phone will run linux anytime soon Jul 20 07:55:17 They could say it has Linuxxx. Maybe that will go down nice with the furries who are into their penguins... Jul 20 07:56:08 timeless_mbp: it was equal...almost the same amount of bugs opened and fixed...so slight improvement and some new things found... :) Jul 20 07:56:32 danielwilms: so you've read and you're done? Jul 20 08:05:33 Sts: ...and make it PINK! Jul 20 08:05:55 Sts: Speaking of which, http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2009/04/06/pink-n97-pops-up-at-the-fcc/ Jul 20 08:09:01 lol Jul 20 08:09:05 i'm looking at the touch book site Jul 20 08:09:10 and all the "reviews" etc of it Jul 20 08:09:15 were from march of 2009 Jul 20 08:09:18 when it was announced Jul 20 08:09:24 * Macer thinks it is vaporware Jul 20 08:09:24 lol Jul 20 08:09:40 it is SUPPOSED to come out this month.. they are supposed to start shipping Jul 20 08:34:57 Macer, seems like a commonality between a lot of OMAP3 devices :) Jul 20 08:34:59 Macer: they started taking pre-orders early this month, and they still kept the "expect to ship in july" so I think they are serious Jul 20 08:40:29 Serious people do not take preorders until production starts Jul 20 08:41:18 *g* Jul 20 08:43:38 netbook with ion Jul 20 08:46:13 hi florian Jul 20 08:48:17 good morning Jul 20 08:54:40 wet morning Jul 20 08:54:43 very wet Jul 20 08:54:52 * timeless_mbp considers staying inside Jul 20 09:06:24 timeless_mbp: oh, we have slight rain too :( Jul 20 09:06:40 timeless_mbp: and I have to go to my country :( Jul 20 09:06:50 "country"? Jul 20 09:06:57 as in going from Russia to Finland? Jul 20 09:07:01 or "country house" Jul 20 09:10:49 hello Jul 20 09:11:25 im developing some software for maemo Jul 20 09:11:53 any of you have experience working with the maemo wifi driver? Jul 20 09:12:23 please let know, i have some questions :) Jul 20 09:14:06 what are you trying to do with it? Jul 20 09:16:54 basically force sleep/wakeup Jul 20 09:17:10 i tried turning txpower on/off Jul 20 09:17:38 but it seems that the driver does not react to those iwreq's Jul 20 09:17:42 hmm, PSM? Jul 20 09:18:05 well yeah but there i can play only with the beacon interval Jul 20 09:18:28 vilen_ might be problem from underlying wlan stack too Jul 20 09:18:29 you can disable it too though Jul 20 09:18:30 but yes i have thought about that to Jul 20 09:18:41 yeah - on maemo it will do a lot of nasty things Jul 20 09:18:53 try under Mer or something like that and disable the power saving wifi script Jul 20 09:18:58 you might have better success with it Jul 20 09:19:24 sorry i have never heard of Mer before Jul 20 09:19:39 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jul 20 09:20:16 same wifi driver but it doesn't interfere as much Jul 20 09:21:01 ok thanks i will give it a go Jul 20 09:27:21 http://dilbert.com/fast <- heh :> Jul 20 09:34:37 http://dilbert.com/fast/2009-07-19/ <- better Jul 20 09:39:33 http://dilbert.com/fast/2009-07-09/ Jul 20 09:47:57 More, more rain! Jul 20 09:48:05 And can we have +12oC please? Jul 20 09:54:02 ugh Jul 20 09:54:07 have to move like a lot of stuff over to my raid Jul 20 09:54:09 blah Jul 20 09:54:14 i should have done this a long tmie ago Jul 20 09:54:29 the crappy part is going to be when i have to stop the vboxes Jul 20 09:54:35 to move them :( Jul 20 12:09:11 Looking through http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/iphone_vs_android_vs_webos_vs_blackbery_vs_windows_mobile_vs_symbian - Nokia are going to have a hit if they remember to advertise Rover having full Flash. Jul 20 12:15:17 It is actually a minor feature though Jul 20 12:16:15 Seen the people on tmo wanting Flash 10 for their tablets? Jul 20 12:20:11 jeremiah_away: hope you get better :) Jul 20 12:22:39 * lcuk beats up databases Jul 20 12:28:56 how big are the map databases usually? does the device happily manage 100mb+ sqlite databases? :$ Jul 20 12:29:04 qwerty: People on tmo are no indication of anything Jul 20 12:34:10 RST38h: shows there's a demand for it though. (Not from me, personally, I always keep it disabled) :) Jul 20 12:35:09 timelyx, X-Fade, infact. Feel free to suggest an improved option. ;) Jul 20 12:35:32 well Jul 20 12:35:36 talk about a pain in the damn ass Jul 20 12:35:48 mmmm, what endian order is the arm usually? Jul 20 12:35:50 i just had to migrate my fileserver's home dir Jul 20 12:35:58 to its raid from the rpool Jul 20 12:36:00 lcuk, armel. Jul 20 12:36:07 talk about something you should have thought about BEFORE you installed Jul 20 12:36:12 that doesnt tell me the endianness Jul 20 12:36:22 little Jul 20 12:36:34 little big Jul 20 12:36:39 damn, so that explains why my png memory function wasnt working :D Jul 20 12:36:45 no i'm just joking Jul 20 12:36:47 Advanced RISC Machine Endian Little Jul 20 12:36:47 i have no idea Jul 20 12:36:48 mmm thats confusing lol Jul 20 12:37:02 ooooh GeneralAntilles... now it does! Jul 20 12:37:05 you are a * thanks Jul 20 12:37:08 but i would assume an arm is little Jul 20 12:37:10 heh Jul 20 12:37:16 It can be either Jul 20 12:37:24 * lcuk facepalms Jul 20 12:37:32 But we happen to be little here. Jul 20 12:37:39 im trying to read png data without saving to an explicit file Jul 20 12:38:01 * lcuk filled up all memory space :$ Jul 20 13:08:10 * lcuk facepalsm Jul 20 13:08:14 it wasnt endianness Jul 20 13:08:31 it helps if i add the required offset into the memory structure for reading a particular block Jul 20 13:12:34 * rkirti|away wonders what "herring" packages are ...... Jul 20 13:12:52 sardine ? Jul 20 13:14:33 Stskeeps: /me doesnt know much about sardine except its some bleeding-edge distro for devels to build against Jul 20 13:15:01 some packages are missing from fremantle after beta2 upgrade...osso-gwconnect for instance Jul 20 13:16:53 yeah, they no longer depend on it Jul 20 13:22:49 rkirti, Sardine stopped being updated a looong time ago, so the whole bleeding edge thing is a mostly a myth. ;) Jul 20 13:23:14 GAN800: :-) Jul 20 13:27:50 Herring was the stable dev branch, I believe. Jul 20 13:27:59 Either way, the fish are dead. Jul 20 13:34:41 awesome Jul 20 13:34:51 got the home automounter working between my fileserver and client :) Jul 20 13:35:54 do labels in gtk NEED a background color, or can they be drawn transparent (im used to vb with opaque and transparent Jul 20 13:46:50 OK Jul 20 13:47:23 MER DEVELOPERS! Jul 20 13:47:27 stop what you are doing! Jul 20 13:47:34 stop stop stop! Jul 20 13:47:39 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm Jul 20 13:47:48 U-TURN! use that instead! Jul 20 13:47:51 * Macer grins Jul 20 13:48:30 oh dear Jul 20 13:49:09 Macer: get it on a sheevaplug and we're talking Jul 20 13:49:53 lol! Jul 20 13:50:33 This release support NEC Electronics's NaviEngine 1 (NE1). Jul 20 13:50:42 i have no idea wtf that device is Jul 20 13:50:46 haha Jul 20 13:51:06 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/200805/relnotes/ Jul 20 13:51:35 3. Known Bugs Jul 20 13:51:35 None. Jul 20 13:51:38 HAHA Jul 20 13:51:40 ooook Jul 20 13:52:16 you will learn that in about a year or so all the time you wasted on making "just another linux distro" when you could have been working on groundbreaking opensolaris on arm works :) Jul 20 13:53:17 hehe Jul 20 13:53:26 showing superior coding on embedded platforms and small n800s .. proving that efficient code and kernels can blow linux out of the water Jul 20 13:53:33 and instead you're making debian with a new wm :) Jul 20 13:53:51 Macer: yeah that would actually be 'sexy' project Jul 20 13:53:55 haha Jul 20 13:54:14 wouldn't it? i mean it already has gtk/gnome stuff Jul 20 13:54:16 Macer: blogofame and gobs of cash from indians Jul 20 13:54:18 yeah Jul 20 13:54:22 hahahaha Jul 20 13:54:29 blogofame Jul 20 13:54:35 Macer: a friend uses opensolaris at home for disk server Jul 20 13:54:45 i do too ;) Jul 20 13:54:48 hehe Jul 20 13:54:52 i hear it's pretty nice Jul 20 13:54:56 as a matter of fact i just got it to do the automounted home dir Jul 20 13:55:06 because i kind of screwed up on my dir structure in my ignorance when i installed Jul 20 13:55:10 Macer: out of the blue, would you know if theres a povray port to opensolaris? Jul 20 13:55:16 and had the home dir on an 80G rpool instead of an 8TB raid :) Jul 20 13:55:17 OOPS Jul 20 13:55:33 i don't know what povray is ;) Jul 20 13:55:35 haha Jul 20 13:55:45 right now i was going to set up kerberos and nis Jul 20 13:55:50 just to be old school Jul 20 13:55:59 and because i dont' feel lke taking the time to rip my hair out using ldap Jul 20 13:56:18 Macer: it's a raytracing program..(theres a free modeller for it too).. i use it to do stuff like this http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3735013696_1a0dd53ed1.jpg?v=0 Jul 20 13:56:19 Has anyone heard of this Zoom thing? It looks very beagleboard-esque: http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/texas-instruments-zoom%25E2%2584%25A2-omap34x-ii-mdp Jul 20 13:57:51 moo glass Jul 20 13:58:21 Macer: opensolaris would be perfect os for the renderbox for toying around.. Jul 20 13:59:00 murrayc: think it's a typical development board from TI, https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapzoom/wiki/?pagename=WhatIsZoom2 - i think it's rather pricey :) Jul 20 13:59:44 Stskeeps: The price is similar to a BeagleBoard plus a touchscreen plus the other bits and pieces you need. Jul 20 13:59:46 but for the stuff you get along I guess it's rather cheap Jul 20 13:59:48 yeah Jul 20 14:00:34 We might try to get one if DigiKey can't deliver our BeagleBoards. Though I fear being the only people using it. I'd rather have the same problems as other people. Jul 20 14:00:46 And DigiKey seem to be the sellers of the Zoom. Jul 20 14:00:50 "Currently SW support for following features are not available on the public git trees due to licensing restrictions:" Jul 20 14:00:58 and then all the fun stuff Jul 20 14:01:32 Oh, at least you can put your choice of WLAN USB stick in the beagleboard. Jul 20 14:01:53 And "graphics" seems like a big deal. But it must be the same graphics as on the BeagleBoard. Jul 20 14:01:57 Right? Jul 20 14:02:28 I don't get how video playback is available but graphics isn't. Jul 20 14:02:38 "video playback" Jul 20 14:02:42 is just frames after frames Jul 20 14:02:49 if you can draw to the screen you can do that at some quality Jul 20 14:03:51 hm Jul 20 14:03:59 damn zimbra server jabberd seems lagged to shit Jul 20 15:14:31 what do you think about the Qt port of Maemo, good or batd? Jul 20 15:15:42 hi Jul 20 15:17:16 how would you rate mer's speed vs. neovento (I currently have Neovento on my freerunner but it's quite slow) Jul 20 15:20:30 blen2r: You might be better asking in #mer; not many people here have freerunners Jul 20 15:22:46 oh ok, thank you Jul 20 15:23:00 have a nice day Jul 20 15:27:17 murrayc, Beagle is probably a better option. Most of the people with Zooms are working for big cellular companies. Jul 20 15:27:33 KucukMubasir: depends; GTK and Maemo have always sucked so far; Qt is generally good Jul 20 15:27:41 KucukMubasir: so Maeco+Qt = ⁇? Jul 20 15:27:44 Maemo* Jul 20 15:28:03 GAN800: Yeah. Hopefully the deliver delays will be fixed, though DigiKey refuse to say when that might be. Jul 20 15:28:05 Woo, subjective absolutisms. Jul 20 15:30:13 thanks Luke-Jr: what is the right side of it is illigible :) Jul 20 15:30:31 KucukMubasir: fix your IRC client ;) Jul 20 15:31:00 Luke-Jr: .. why on earth using utf-8 for "??", btw? :P Jul 20 15:32:18 Stskeeps: Efficiency ☺ Jul 20 15:32:59 Pfft Jul 20 15:33:02 Jackassery Jul 20 15:33:09 GAN800: f u Jul 20 15:34:57 * Stskeeps is reminded of http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html Jul 20 15:36:16 Stskeeps: GAN800 started it :þ Jul 20 15:37:18 Luke-Jr: pfft. Jul 20 15:40:18 On that note, has anybody gotten around to writing up a wikipedia entry for Mer? Jul 20 15:41:35 no, we automatically disqualify ourselves Jul 20 15:41:36 :P Jul 20 15:42:51 hmm Jul 20 15:42:55 am I disqualified? Jul 20 15:43:04 my Mer involvement is limited Jul 20 15:44:02 you're listed as a mer contributor for god knows why, so i would guess so :P Jul 20 15:44:11 also, there's the problem of notability Jul 20 15:44:14 it will be a plug for Gentoo and how Mer sucks because it currently uses GTK+ Jul 20 15:45:04 /lastlog jeremiah Jul 20 15:45:14 qwerty12_N810: Mer isn't GTK+-specific, is it? :þ Jul 20 15:45:17 even if the default is Jul 20 15:45:18 ** No messages for jeremiah Jul 20 15:45:27 heh Jul 20 15:45:32 Yes there are! Jul 20 15:45:34 :P Jul 20 15:45:44 jeremiah_away: you holding up alright? Jul 20 15:46:00 Doing okay - my face is freaky but otherwise alright. :) Jul 20 15:46:03 * Stskeeps is dangerously afraid of forest walks cos of borellia and such :P Jul 20 15:46:08 Stskeeps: How is Spain? Jul 20 15:46:14 jeremiah: not there yet Jul 20 15:46:19 going on thursday Jul 20 15:46:29 Ah. Fun! Jul 20 15:46:46 Luke-Jr: /connect'd work better.. Jul 20 15:46:46 :P Jul 20 15:46:48 :þ Jul 20 15:46:54 How long will you be there for, the weekend? Jul 20 15:47:54 jeremiah: 23-31 july Jul 20 15:48:04 we arrive quite late 23th and leave very early 31th Jul 20 15:48:40 Stskeeps: Whoah - you'll be there nearly all of debconf Jul 20 15:48:42 Cool. Jul 20 15:49:04 See my friend dam for lunch tickets! Jul 20 15:49:38 well not debcamp Jul 20 15:49:57 oh yeah, just debconf Jul 20 15:49:58 and i'll present on the 25th Jul 20 15:50:11 Cool - you're doing the Mer presentation? Jul 20 15:50:17 And will it be video taped? Jul 20 15:52:05 nop, don't think so Jul 20 15:52:10 except maybe by zenvoid Jul 20 15:52:15 i'll have to ask him :P Jul 20 15:52:54 The debian-perl group is going to have a video feed for a meeting so I would be surprised if your talk didn't have a feed Jul 20 15:56:12 Stskeeps, meh, arguably I'd be disqualified from writing about Maemo. Jul 20 15:56:29 Notability shouldn't be an issue. Jul 20 15:56:59 well, for Mer it would be Jul 20 15:57:12 heck, I had 84% of the RFC1459 market and my project wasn't "notable" Jul 20 15:57:39 except it's still there, interesting Jul 20 15:58:19 If somebody objects, then fine. Jul 20 15:58:33 But until then there's little harm in putting up an article. Jul 20 16:36:39 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/opensolaris-200906-released-new-arm-port-announced.ars Jul 20 16:50:28 If I `maemo-sdk enter runtime` for arm, with the i386-2007q3 toolchain set, it should run the i386->arm compiler when I run gcc, right? I just want to make sure that this is the case when you're in emulation mode. Jul 20 16:51:03 ???? Jul 20 16:51:26 you need want emu mode use arm-toolchain Jul 20 16:51:33 args Jul 20 16:51:49 you need arm-toolchain for emu mode Jul 20 16:52:45 woglinde, what's your primary language? Jul 20 16:52:53 Just wondering because I can read French... Jul 20 16:53:19 german Jul 20 16:53:29 Ah ok, I don't know German. :) Jul 20 16:59:09 Should the linker be running in emulation mode? Jul 20 16:59:22 ???? Jul 20 16:59:31 its all running automagicly Jul 20 16:59:36 with qemu Jul 20 17:01:14 hi Jul 20 17:03:18 woglinde: But it's running extremely slow when I'm on arm, it should be using the cross-compiler, but just seems to be running the arm compiler in emulation mode. Jul 20 17:03:30 args Jul 20 17:03:41 right you are doing the pains yourself Jul 20 17:03:49 and running it on the device Jul 20 17:03:55 woglinde: No this is in scratchbox 2 Jul 20 17:05:04 yepp its using qemu Jul 20 17:06:26 I'm saying it should be using the cross compiler, not the arm compiler in emulation. Jul 20 17:06:36 It should be using i386->arm instead of arm->arm. Jul 20 17:06:48 host->target Jul 20 17:08:39 coldboot hm never saw that this mode is available Jul 20 17:09:12 Compiling in arm and i386 should be the same speed, for me it's slow for arm. Jul 20 17:14:24 Hmmmm -> http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Jul 20 17:15:13 yeah.. :P Jul 20 17:15:35 Yeah, that qi think should run Mer Jul 20 17:15:38 :P Jul 20 17:17:36 MIPS, ick. Jul 20 17:17:36 :P Jul 20 17:17:39 also, very low ram Jul 20 17:21:10 good bye Jul 20 17:34:26 ~uncrash lcuk's computer Jul 20 17:34:38 ~fix lcuk's computer Jul 20 17:34:39 * infobot opens the hood of lcuk's computer , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." Jul 20 17:34:42 :P Jul 20 17:55:54 ok, engadget guys think that mirror reflect light at 90 degrees Jul 20 17:56:18 are they copypasting from Gizmodo or something? Jul 20 18:00:43 ya Jul 20 18:00:45 eh. Jul 20 18:01:05 wazd: yay, even with some comments "confirming" that... Jul 20 18:01:15 "Get a flashlight, go to mirror. Point it at an angle towards the mirror. The light is reflected off by 90 degrees from the angle of the original light beam." Jul 20 18:01:18 duh :) Jul 20 18:01:50 Wow. Jul 20 18:02:28 physics fail Jul 20 18:02:55 Did you know that ls always returns 0? Confirmed by doing `ls .; echo $?` Jul 20 18:03:32 'ls nosuch; echo $?' disproves your theory Jul 20 18:03:48 My sarcastic theory, yes. Jul 20 18:04:00 but I suppose it's easier to echo $? than to measure an angle between light beams Jul 20 18:04:06 heh Jul 20 18:04:31 especially ones you can't see without filling up the room with smoke Jul 20 18:04:34 Where's this article? I'd like to post a comment. Jul 20 18:05:08 coldboot: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/universal-mirrors-more-useful-less-fun-than-carnival-mirrors/ Jul 20 18:05:09 they're back to old greek philosopher's way of doing science experiments: "it stands to reason" Jul 20 18:14:33 Hi Jul 20 18:15:41 johnsq, hello Jul 20 18:16:25 slonopotamus: something new? Jul 20 18:17:09 johnsq, released fb_text2screen and open-wlan-cal. writing libcal replacement. Jul 20 18:18:59 slonopotamus: nice. Jul 20 18:22:15 moo all Jul 20 18:35:06 re Jul 20 18:40:36 wb qwerty12_N810 Jul 20 18:40:49 Thank you Jul 20 18:47:08 I just got ReactOS running on my N810! Jul 20 18:47:26 Oh cool Jul 20 18:47:46 sweet, WoW is working Jul 20 18:49:56 and i see a bunch of pigs with wings flapping outside the window Jul 20 18:59:37 Luke-Jr, how's bme going? :P Jul 20 19:33:36 Has anyone got gdb running and breaking functions properly on the device? Jul 20 19:36:18 Apple Approves iPhone App That Promotes School Shootings hehehe Jul 20 19:36:58 Doom? No, wait... Jul 20 19:38:18 more like Zombies Ate My Neighbors, but way way lamer Jul 20 19:38:39 RST38h: did you see the pedophile finder? Jul 20 19:39:13 RST38h: http://www.beststuff.com/fromthewire/audiovideo-news/new-iphone-app-increases-family-safety-provides-sex-offender-information.html Jul 20 19:39:56 10 bucks we'll be seeing torches Jul 20 19:39:56 ! Jul 20 19:40:08 iTorhces Jul 20 19:41:13 ...and a new tactic of "paedophiling" where evil hackers (tm) insert your name into the sex offender database Jul 20 19:41:27 Yes, it displays a picture of a torch and it can be yours for $999.99! Jul 20 19:41:34 that would be a welcome advancement of the "swatting" tactic Jul 20 19:54:03 "A Saudi Arabian man married a Filipino woman as a cover for buying her kidney, trying to circumvent the Philippines' strict new rules to fight organ trafficking" Jul 20 20:02:34 When I run gdb on the device, and run `symbol-file /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.5.0`, it says "(no debugging symbols found)"... But I compiled libQtGui with -g, why is gdb not finding debug symbols? Jul 20 20:04:09 coldboot: have you tried it on the desktop pc� Jul 20 20:04:25 johnsq: I'm using scratchbox 2 and gdb doesn't work in it at all. Jul 20 20:05:19 coldboot: you can test a local desktop application. Jul 20 20:05:59 johnsq: What do you mean? Jul 20 20:06:56 coldboot: I'm not fit with gdb, but to test the command you can debug a qt application on your pc, to look if the commands are correct. Jul 20 20:07:41 johnsq: What commands? Jul 20 20:07:54 coldboot: symbol-file fe. Jul 20 21:17:23 lbt: Hey lbt, are you there? Jul 20 21:17:44 enjoying a glass of drambuie Jul 20 21:19:29 which is a yes... Jul 20 21:20:03 I don't see where the hildonCommands are getting received. Jul 20 21:20:19 is the source to the video call app available in maemo yet? if not, does anyone have a nokia contact to talk to about it? we're releasing a smartphone with video calling, and it would be nice to let them interoperate. Jul 20 21:21:25 I've been debugging QApplication::x11ProcessEvent, and keywidget never gets set to anything. Jul 20 21:22:17 My Qt build environment is in bits at the moment .. very frustrating 'cos I want to get into this Jul 20 21:22:38 lbt: What happened to it? Jul 20 21:23:27 I merged up to 4.5.2-mer1 Jul 20 21:25:25 lbt: With git? Jul 20 21:25:34 What did you have before? Jul 20 21:25:37 yes Jul 20 21:26:21 You can checkout another branch Jul 20 21:26:26 sec Jul 20 21:27:03 http://gitorious.org/+mer/qt/qt-mer Jul 20 21:27:14 My git runs on Mer Jul 20 21:27:21 What does Mer replace? Jul 20 21:27:31 heh a lot Jul 20 21:27:36 What is it? Jul 20 21:27:53 mainly cleans up sbox-ism Jul 20 21:28:05 lbt: So you don't need to use Scratchbox at all? Jul 20 21:28:10 no Jul 20 21:28:18 pure qemu build Jul 20 21:28:21 pure chroot Jul 20 21:28:35 it's nice but slow Jul 20 21:29:02 I spent the weekend working on a technique to inject 586 binaries into an arm qemu chroot Jul 20 21:29:10 like sbox but transparently Jul 20 21:29:19 and using the same version as the distro Jul 20 21:30:02 some build deps differ Jul 20 21:30:28 I merged the 'append -qt4' patch into git Jul 20 21:31:18 the Mer Qt has fingerscroll (of course) Jul 20 21:32:20 Mer QT? isthat implying the next NIT-OS will have QT elements in it? Jul 20 21:32:35 ds3 that's old news :) Jul 20 21:32:55 Harmattan will support Qt Jul 20 21:32:56 old is relative.... some of us are a little bit hehind :( Jul 20 21:33:05 np Jul 20 21:33:06 the actual nit has qt Jul 20 21:33:21