**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 22 02:59:56 2009 Jul 22 03:38:31 hello pavlov and stskeeps thanks for your help yesterday with flashing my n810. took the usb hub out of the equation and it worked. Jul 22 04:07:20 hi, does anyone know if maemo can use a swap partitino rather than a virtual mem file? Jul 22 04:09:00 tom-davidson: the difference being? Jul 22 04:09:58 when i boot mer or my experimental maemo it would use the same space ... the same space being the interanl memory and not the internal or exteral flash Jul 22 04:37:22 Good morning all Jul 22 04:39:10 for desktop widget (home screen applet) what is the mechanism to handle the drag (stylus motion) event. If i drag in the applet, system handles the drag event. How i can get the drag event from my applet Jul 22 04:39:23 any body any help or any idea? Jul 22 05:17:43 X-Fade: Please help me! Jul 22 05:31:34 !rules Jul 22 06:01:14 morning Jul 22 06:16:14 hello all Jul 22 06:17:38 have some questions about the n800 and n810 anyone that can help ? Jul 22 06:18:15 tom-davidson, you can't use the internal nand memory as flash Jul 22 06:18:31 as swap, I mean Jul 22 06:21:13 well, you probably could, but anyone who wants to can figure it out on their own and do it at their own peril Jul 22 06:47:09 shadowjk: ok i understand better now that my swap should be on my external card. i missunderstood the internal raw nand... thought it didnt wear. BUT with swap on my external SD.,.. how do i get maemo to use it? Jul 22 06:48:20 I do: swapon /media/mmc1/.swap Jul 22 06:48:22 manually Jul 22 06:48:22 :/ Jul 22 06:49:12 a symlink, maybe? or just edit the boot script Jul 22 07:29:06 shadowjk: johnx: thanks. i think the swapon was just want i wanted. Jul 22 07:29:12 goodnight Jul 22 09:22:50 qwerty12_N810, have you seen this? http://tinyurl.com/lmj49e Jul 22 09:24:30 yerga: hehe, I hadn't, thanks :) Jul 22 09:41:57 re Jul 22 09:42:16 does exist a zfs-fuse port to maemo ? Jul 22 10:07:53 hi all Jul 22 11:56:07 Jaffa: ping? Jul 22 12:06:37 X-Fade: pong, but just going to grab lunch. Will repong in a bit... Jul 22 12:33:20 i need to automate armel builds Jul 22 12:33:52 so how do people do that generally? pbuilder? script /scratchbox/login Jul 22 12:35:57 hendry: in general? or for maemo specifically Jul 22 12:37:39 well say you have a debian packaged product, and you want to target maemo as well as Debianx86 Jul 22 12:37:47 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/registration_maemo_summit_2009_open/ Jul 22 12:38:26 right now, i checkout source. remove debconf stuff. login to scratchbox, dpkg-buildpackage, log out and dput Jul 22 12:38:38 hendry: I ask because Mer uses an autobuilder called OBS Jul 22 12:38:44 it's quite manual. Jul 22 12:39:40 I think you need to think about basing on orig.tar.gz Jul 22 12:40:02 and providing debian.diff.gz and debian-maemo.diff.gz Jul 22 12:40:57 maemo has lots of scratchboxisms Jul 22 12:42:31 in other words, it's all scratchy Jul 22 12:42:58 and much of Mer packaging is about removing these Jul 22 12:43:05 heh - it sure is Jul 22 12:48:08 Urghhh Jul 22 12:50:41 X-Fade, cool news :) Jul 22 12:50:54 X-Fade, I'm registering ;) Jul 22 12:51:44 Andy80: Hurry, only 293 places left ;) Jul 22 12:52:52 X-Fade, lol :D Jul 22 12:53:29 X-Fade, I think the hardest part is "Reason for requesting Nokia sponsorship" ;) Jul 22 12:54:36 X-Fade: Primary community project and Project ? Should that be "Other community projects" ? Jul 22 12:54:37 Andy80: That's easy - "NO MONEY" Jul 22 12:55:36 X-Fade, there's a little error in wiki page, it's still present "Not yet, but for you to know:" right after "Registration", can I remove it? Jul 22 12:55:53 Andy80: Sure. It is a wiki ;) Jul 22 12:55:59 RST38h, and it's true, at least for me. I'm a student :( Jul 22 12:56:58 lbt: Indeed. Will fix that. Jul 22 13:00:47 X-Fade, it doesn't let me go again to that page.... don't know why... it's better if you try to fix it Jul 22 13:01:47 Andy80: Ah, I know where. I'll fix that. Jul 22 13:02:58 ok Jul 22 13:04:45 X-Fade, the link that appears in the registration form (in my case: http://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/e840196271eb11deb15535a00f6d72187218 ) is personal/related to session-id, or is public? Jul 22 13:05:32 Andy80: That is the public url. Jul 22 13:05:38 ok Jul 22 13:12:05 blogged too ;) Jul 22 13:12:20 X-Fade, karma changes ? Jul 22 13:19:01 I hate this phone. Jul 22 13:19:16 why? Jul 22 13:19:20 lbt: Description changed and added second column to the participants list. Jul 22 13:19:45 Jul 22 13:19:48 * RST38h hides Jul 22 13:20:23 Because it doesn't work correctly, and Nokia is a pretty shitty manufacturer. Jul 22 13:20:44 what model it is? Jul 22 13:20:58 5800 Jul 22 13:21:04 GAN: It is one of better Nokia phones, ironically :) Jul 22 13:21:50 hmmm the 2nd time I go to the form it says "Login" and just returns to that page Jul 22 13:22:06 i have old n85 and it works reasonable well Jul 22 13:22:45 thux: N85 is not that old? Jul 22 13:23:11 but not as new as 5800 Jul 22 13:23:13 RST38h, best nokia phone = n95 :P Jul 22 13:23:20 n82! Jul 22 13:23:29 VDV: It's a brick. Jul 22 13:23:36 E70 forever =) Jul 22 13:23:38 RST38h, nah nah Jul 22 13:23:50 Although it is also a brick. Jul 22 13:23:55 lol Jul 22 13:24:13 RST38h: for the true brick experience: E90 Jul 22 13:24:48 qwerty: looks like a concealed gun when in the pocket Jul 22 13:24:57 qwerty: scary thing Jul 22 13:25:08 heh Jul 22 13:25:51 Seriously though, if Nokia does not deliver its maemophone soon enough, I will have to start shopping for a new phone =( Jul 22 13:27:16 RST38h, you need a iphone :P Jul 22 13:27:24 VDV: fuck that. Jul 22 13:27:24 * VDVsx hides Jul 22 13:29:08 X-Fade: I can't get back in to my registration Jul 22 13:29:39 RST38h, not kidding now, samsung has/will have some interesting devices o_0 Jul 22 13:29:43 Jaffa: Hmm might be a rights setting. Let me see. Jul 22 13:30:04 X-Fade: despite being logged in on both http & https, it takes tme to a login page and doesn't let me get past it (no error) Jul 22 13:30:06 VDV: Not programmable Jul 22 13:30:18 Jaffa: Yeah, that sounds like a permission issue. Jul 22 13:30:31 Jaffa, you are registered Jul 22 13:30:36 How to port c++ libraries to maemo? Which tools should be used? Specifically, does anyone know whether if libQxt is being ported? Jul 22 13:30:36 http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit_2009/ Jul 22 13:30:39 listed here Jul 22 13:30:40 RST38h, you can do some hacking for s60 and android :) Jul 22 13:30:42 it did the same with me Jul 22 13:31:02 lcuk: yeah, but you should be allowed to change things. Jul 22 13:31:05 VDV: They do have a few S60 devices but I have heard some nasty rumors about compatibility with mainline S60 apps Jul 22 13:31:19 dieb: Could you elaborate Jul 22 13:31:29 dieb; What exactly do you want to do? Jul 22 13:31:30 ahhhh Jul 22 13:32:18 RST38h, ah right, nokia S60 != samsung s60, really a shame :( Jul 22 13:32:27 how do people script /scratchbox/login? I want to : /scratchbox/login; cd code; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -B Jul 22 13:32:29 it is more like ~= Jul 22 13:32:40 lcuk: I know. I wanted to change my "other community projects" ;-) Jul 22 13:32:42 ;) Jul 22 13:32:42 Stuff runs but behaves weirdly Jul 22 13:33:34 The login form is still broken to the point of uselessness in MicroB. Jul 22 13:33:59 GAN800: The login infrastructure's pretty broken everywhere, IME ;-) Jul 22 13:35:42 Seemingly Jul 22 13:35:52 Needs to do away with the js or something. Jul 22 13:36:00 It just plain doesn't work. Jul 22 13:37:29 dieb_: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 22 13:37:52 lbt: does it include Qxt? Jul 22 13:37:54 Jaffa: Better now? Jul 22 13:37:57 qxt isn't specifically supported but should be easy to port and we'd like to add it to the gitorious repo Jul 22 13:37:59 Qxt is not Qt Jul 22 13:38:11 no it layers on it Jul 22 13:38:34 you'd need to get it working with the qt-maemo team Jul 22 13:38:52 that includes getting qxt people helping to package it Jul 22 13:38:54 GAN800: Works for me on microb? Jul 22 13:39:06 should be fairly easy Jul 22 13:39:15 X-Fade, N800 Jul 22 13:39:35 GAN800: What does it do for you? Jul 22 13:39:44 GAN800: Focus issues? Jul 22 13:39:59 lbt: is there anyone working on this already? Jul 22 13:40:11 Probably not clearing the field properly or something stupid. Jul 22 13:40:12 X-Fade: No. Jul 22 13:40:13 not qxt AFAIK - a few of us work on Qt Jul 22 13:40:15 fkb Jul 22 13:40:28 X-Fade: Still broken. Jul 22 13:40:37 Had to change my input settings to make it work. Jul 22 13:40:57 * GAN800 wonders what he should put for projects. Jul 22 13:41:05 lbt: as I'll need Qxt on maemo, I'll probably give it a try porting it Jul 22 13:41:29 Wiki? Jul 22 13:41:30 could you point me to any document related to ports ? Jul 22 13:42:06 * RST38h does not quite understand what dieb wants Jul 22 13:42:37 dieb: You just want to compile Qxt on Maemo? Jul 22 13:42:57 http://gitorious.org/qt-maemo Jul 22 13:48:44 RST38h: yes Jul 22 13:48:49 GAN800: Worked fine on my N800 with vkb? Jul 22 13:51:35 X-Fade, try finger keyboard. Jul 22 13:51:49 Which is the only keyboard enabled on my tablet. Jul 22 13:51:51 GAN800: Ok. Jul 22 13:53:23 GAN800: Worked fine. Jul 22 13:53:43 Well, doesn't work here. Jul 22 13:54:10 GAN800: click in username, finger keyboard username, pressed minimize, click password, finger keyboard password, minimize, click go? Jul 22 13:54:27 Yes Jul 22 13:54:50 That worked for me. Jul 22 13:54:57 Also: tapping a field after information has been entered doesn't bring up that info in the fkb. Jul 22 13:55:40 GAN800: That is a browser/fkb bug then? Jul 22 13:56:02 GAN800: Nothing happens to these fields with javascript? Jul 22 13:59:09 Jaffa: can you try again? Jul 22 14:25:02 X-Fade, i just retried, and it indeed allows editing some fields. but the one jaffa mentioned (his projects) is still appearing to come from the default profile and unchangable Jul 22 14:25:23 lcuk: Yeah, those you need to change in your own profile. Jul 22 14:26:03 so for jaffa's sake, if he changes them in his default profile, and then comes here to edit his application it should pick them up? Jul 22 14:26:42 lcuk: It would show in the list already when you edit your profile. Jul 22 14:27:21 cool Jul 22 14:27:25 hows your wii arm Jul 22 14:27:40 Hehe, pretty well ;) Jul 22 14:27:44 and are we planning on having one at the summit! Jul 22 14:27:55 or should we make our own :D Jul 22 14:28:39 lcuk: Image a wrist-strap attached to a N900 ;) Jul 22 14:29:20 oooh, you mean theres a lanyard attachment? Jul 22 14:29:55 No idea, but if you would make the N900 a wiimote it would be a good idea to have one at least ;) Jul 22 14:31:30 hah Jul 22 14:31:37 we should have these on the canals Jul 22 14:31:38 http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2007/02/27/like-a-hamster-ball-on-the-water Jul 22 14:33:04 lcuk haha Jul 22 14:33:22 looks the same as the land's one Jul 22 14:36:06 lcuk: Yeah, those are cool! Jul 22 14:37:15 indeed they are :D Jul 22 14:37:41 what do you think is the biggest practical database in maemo (the one with big recordsets) ? Jul 22 14:37:50 * lcuk needs some comparisons Jul 22 14:39:53 so we finally have got a name for the new Nxxx ? Jul 22 14:40:54 No. Jul 22 14:41:20 * LinuxCode is still waiting very patiently for news Jul 22 14:41:25 hehe Jul 22 14:41:37 http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/8/Funny_Pictures_595.htm :) Jul 22 14:41:52 * GAN800 is very, very tired. Jul 22 14:41:58 LinuxCode, you need to sit up straight Jul 22 14:42:09 ? Jul 22 14:42:13 i cant Jul 22 14:42:25 cant have you slouching or nokia wont think you are ready Jul 22 14:42:29 my cat is occupying the office chair Jul 22 14:42:43 your cat will make a very nice comfortable cushion then Jul 22 14:42:48 lol Jul 22 14:42:55 i disagree Jul 22 14:42:57 it will quickly move :) Jul 22 14:43:07 dont bet on it Jul 22 14:43:08 or will rip your ass to shreds Jul 22 14:43:17 its claws and teeth will move Jul 22 14:43:21 one way or the other, you will know Jul 22 14:43:22 lol Jul 22 14:43:27 yep Jul 22 14:44:05 maybe I should send nokia my cat Jul 22 14:44:12 maybe that would speed things up Jul 22 14:44:36 meeeeeeooooooowwwwww Jul 22 14:45:02 dont bet upon it. once the nokians get word theres some pussy skulking around, you really think they will do any work? Jul 22 14:47:00 probably not Jul 22 14:47:07 this looks like the back of my pooter Jul 22 14:47:09 http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/11/Funny_Pictures_594.htm Jul 22 14:47:33 hehe Jul 22 14:47:39 mine is all tidy Jul 22 14:48:05 bought some radaitor pipe covering stuff and screwed that under the desk Jul 22 14:48:06 i used to lay everything down nice and neat Jul 22 14:48:14 now all cables lay within that Jul 22 14:48:40 heh, thats all well and good until you need to change one wire Jul 22 14:48:54 theres plenty of space Jul 22 14:48:59 easy to thread Jul 22 15:01:37 cool Jul 22 15:01:43 maemo videos Jul 22 15:01:45 http://garrgle.net/?qkw=maemo&qcat=video&qcoll=relevance&rfcid=6000&rfcp=IntelliFindTop&_iceUrlFlag=11?_IceUrl=true Jul 22 15:09:12 does anyone have any experience with bloom filters Jul 22 15:53:16 Hi lbt Jul 22 16:01:35 hi fiferboy Jul 22 16:01:44 woglinde: Hi Jul 22 16:29:57 X-Fade: perfect Jul 22 16:30:11 X-Fade: but I can't change my "other projects" anyway, ho hum. Jul 22 16:56:31 wee, 931 Gb of free space :P Jul 22 16:57:55 wazd, oh noes! you purged all porn? Jul 22 16:58:07 * Luke-Jr beats slonopotamus Jul 22 16:58:12 slonopotamus: I bought new HDD to get MORE! Jul 22 16:58:22 :D Jul 22 16:58:27 xD Jul 22 16:58:58 * slonopotamus blocks Luke-Jr's attack Jul 22 16:59:59 ehlo all Jul 22 17:00:06 RST38h: heya Jul 22 17:00:28 wazd: how are things? =) Jul 22 17:01:13 RST38h: just got new terabyte HDD :) Now my nightmare bout "where to store all those goddamn RAW photos" is finally over :) Jul 22 17:01:35 well, it is a bit delayed now :) Jul 22 17:02:27 RST38h: I hope to buy BD-R asap :) Jul 22 17:03:07 RST38h: as soon as they'll stop having such a ridiculous price Jul 22 17:03:58 RST38h: but first I need proper display cause my current starting to say "I'm dying, kill me!" :) Jul 22 17:04:14 wazd: Optical disks are said to have short lives Jul 22 17:05:49 wazd: Apple display? =) Jul 22 17:05:56 RST38h: I can still run Carmageddon from CD so I think it's more marketing bullshit than something serious Jul 22 17:06:08 wazd: It's not. Jul 22 17:06:41 RST38h: well, this CD is right from 1997 or something :) Jul 22 17:06:48 wazd: I tried reading a few 3-year-old backup CDRs once, and got very mixed results (and yes, I used the tool that detects crc errors too) Jul 22 17:06:57 wazd: Is it a pressed CD or a CDR? Jul 22 17:07:06 RST38h: pirate cd :) Jul 22 17:07:22 wazd: Those also come in two varieties Jul 22 17:07:35 Back in 1997 they were USUALLY pressed though Jul 22 17:09:34 RST38h: I want something like this: http://market.yandex.ru/model.xml?hid=91052&modelid=2485880 Jul 22 17:10:54 wazd, the nightmare is never over. when you think you solved the problem with a bigger harddrive, you actually made it worse because its impractical to do offline backup Jul 22 17:11:24 RST38h: pretty expensive but a very good one Jul 22 17:11:38 lcuk: RAW photos are *really* big :) Jul 22 17:11:51 fiferboy: Hey Andrew, are you around? Jul 22 17:11:55 and your tears will be even greater when you lose more data Jul 22 17:12:11 lcuk: don't think that anyone will allow me to store that much somewhere in the net Jul 22 17:12:16 i know they are massive, i have similar situation with my own data Jul 22 17:12:55 theoretically wazd, you can push quite insane amounts of data at the net Jul 22 17:13:01 and have a good chance of getting some back Jul 22 17:14:28 wazd: There is also a similarly specced Samsung Jul 22 17:14:38 wazd: May come cheaper Jul 22 17:15:26 RST38h: everyone says that this HP is a true must-have :) Jul 22 17:15:54 RST38h: I haven't read any negative opinion bout it. I mean any :) Jul 22 17:16:08 wazd: There is something suspicious about it Jul 22 17:16:23 wazd: A 24" monitor can't cost $1000+, even here Jul 22 17:16:32 RST38h: If it was benq or something - I would agree with you :) Jul 22 17:16:43 wazd: Any monitor Jul 22 17:16:52 wazd: A moment, lemme check around Jul 22 17:16:57 RST38h: It's a dreamcolor series, 102% NTSC :) Jul 22 17:17:07 hi fiferboy Jul 22 17:17:16 wazd: Still. Jul 22 17:17:33 coldboot, lbt hey Jul 22 17:17:40 RST38h: it doesn't cost 1000+ btw, it costs near 1000 Jul 22 17:17:48 hi wazd Jul 22 17:17:50 wazd: Ok, Froogle shows it starting at $435 in the US, with average price about $550 Jul 22 17:17:50 fiferboy: So I managed to build the 4.5.2 of the fix, without segfaults. Jul 22 17:17:53 $985 Jul 22 17:18:00 fiferboy: I can't build 4.5.0 because of some stupid include path problem. Jul 22 17:18:02 fiferboy: heya! Jul 22 17:18:05 wazd: rur33000 is >$1000 right now Jul 22 17:18:07 RST38h: that's TN Jul 22 17:18:22 coldboot: I am just testing your latest fix now. Jul 22 17:18:24 wazd: I am just searching for LP2475W Jul 22 17:18:28 RST38h: check out price.ru Jul 22 17:18:33 wazd: Should I add something else to the id? Jul 22 17:18:37 wazd: checking Jul 22 17:18:46 RST38h: 29058 р. ($985.02) Jul 22 17:19:08 lbt: I have done a major refactoring on how overshoot is calculated Jul 22 17:19:41 coldboot: I still don't get the keyboard pop down... Jul 22 17:19:49 RST38h: Non-TN 24" screen can't cost less than 800 bucks Jul 22 17:19:52 fiferboy: hmmmm Jul 22 17:19:54 wazd: It is about twice more expensive than in US Jul 22 17:20:06 wazd: Unless I am missing some letter in the product id Jul 22 17:20:18 RST38h: yep, that's HP Jul 22 17:20:24 coldboot: Clicking a line edit pops it up, but clicking a checkbox or drop down doesn't get rid of it Jul 22 17:20:29 RST38h: it's like Apple in PC world Jul 22 17:20:31 wazd: HP is the brand name :) Jul 22 17:20:38 wazd, that looks like an impressive monitor Jul 22 17:21:15 coldboot: Actually, a non-editable drop down does pop it down, my mistake Jul 22 17:21:45 so I see Jul 22 17:21:58 coldboot: For some reason a check box does not. And after clicking the checkbox, key presses get sent to the line edit Jul 22 17:22:04 RST38h: I bought my HP mini 2133 in US for about 550 bucks and it still costs more in here Jul 22 17:22:30 wazd: but twice more? hmmm Jul 22 17:22:30 lbt: It makes things simpler in most cases, but it is (at least the way I did it) more complicated during AutoScroll Jul 22 17:22:46 wazd: Ok, I have got some "secret" info: this monitor uses an IPS LCD panel from LG Jul 22 17:23:17 One area I'm unhappy about is the x/y seperation/code replication Jul 22 17:23:19 http://www.trustedreviews.com/monitors/review/2009/03/27/HP-LP2475w---24in-H-IPS-Display/p4 :) Jul 22 17:23:30 lbt: Where is that? Jul 22 17:23:35 wazd: Let us see if there is an LG display with the same part ;) Jul 22 17:23:46 if (yScrollState == AutoScroll) ...... if (xScrollState == AutoScroll) Jul 22 17:23:50 lbt: Oh, you mean in general in the event filer Jul 22 17:23:52 RST38h: oh, not LG for god sake :) Jul 22 17:23:55 not in your work Jul 22 17:24:00 lbt: Yes, there should be a way around that... Jul 22 17:24:01 yes, in general Jul 22 17:25:11 lbt: I'm trying to figure out a way to make the AutoScroll overshoot more straight forward Jul 22 17:25:19 lcuk: yep, that baby is goddamn beast :) Jul 22 17:25:29 the video review shows it nicely Jul 22 17:26:06 There are three cases, just plain autoscroll through the body of the list, autoscroll through the body with overshoot at the end, and a list starting out in overshoot (from ManualScroll) and scrolling through the list Jul 22 17:26:12 wazd: Monitors are commodity nowadays. As long as they both use the same panel you will hardly see the difference Jul 22 17:26:14 yes Jul 22 17:26:28 How can I include qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h from qwidget.cpp in 4.5.0? It works fine in 4.5.2, because it's in private/, but 4.5.0 doesn't generate it the same way... Jul 22 17:26:44 RST38h, but the package there seems neat too :) i have an lg here and have no complains, but that monitor rox Jul 22 17:26:49 Actually, there is a fourth corner case where the list starts out in overshoot and tries to AutoScroll past the limit, but that is easy to take care of Jul 22 17:26:50 * lcuk stands with wazd on this debate Jul 22 17:26:59 fiferboy: Ah, so the hide command isn't being sent. Jul 22 17:27:18 fiferboy: If you click on the drop down, the keyboard hides, does it still send keys to the LineEdit? Jul 22 17:27:21 lcuk: ah my point is that this HP uses an LG panel Jul 22 17:27:30 RST38h: Maybe I'm just a snob but I'll better trust that much money to HP :) Jul 22 17:27:34 lcuk: So why not cut a corner and buy directly from Koreans :) Jul 22 17:27:35 fiferboy: Even though, you said if you click a checkbox, the keyboard does NOT go away, AND keys still got to the LineEdit. Jul 22 17:27:36 coldboot: I can't check, the keyboard is hidden ;) Jul 22 17:27:45 fiferboy: Oh yeah. Jul 22 17:27:50 wazd: I do not really trust the "new" HP though... Jul 22 17:27:51 fiferboy: Well that's not really a problem then. Jul 22 17:27:59 fiferboy: Because when the keyboard is shown, the proxy gets set. Jul 22 17:28:05 coldboot: I think it is not a problem with your code if it hides for one widget but not another Jul 22 17:28:06 RST38h: My mini is absolutely solid :) Jul 22 17:28:10 wazd: Same shit as DELL, as far as I am concerned... Still respect their old lab equipment and calcs Jul 22 17:28:16 wazd: Yea, Mini is nice =) Jul 22 17:28:18 fiferboy: They keyboard shouldn't go away when checking a checkbox, probably. Jul 22 17:28:22 coldboot: Yes, and when it doesn't hide it stays on the first widget Jul 22 17:28:28 RST38h, sometimes cutting corners isnt what is needed :) Jul 22 17:28:36 coldboot: Could you check un an unpatched Qt install? Jul 22 17:28:41 fiferboy: I bet that behaviour is intentional. "Doo dee doo, I'm typing in a text box, oh let me check that box over there, now I'll type some more". Jul 22 17:28:54 coldboot: Could we be Jul 22 17:29:06 fiferboy: I can check Jul 22 17:29:09 s/we/well/ Jul 22 17:29:09 fiferboy meant: coldboot: Could well be Jul 22 17:29:19 lcuk: damn, video review is like porno for me :( Jul 22 17:29:24 fiferboy: Shopper? Jul 22 17:29:27 heh Jul 22 17:29:52 coldboot: I'm not sure if there are check boxes near input fields, I am using my own program to test Jul 22 17:30:24 lcuk: Do you know how I could include qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h from qwidget.cpp? I include "private/qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h" which is a generated location in maemo 4.5.2, but in 4.5.0 it's not being copied there... Jul 22 17:30:46 RST38h: lcuk: right now I have http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/tft-monitor/fujitsu-siemens-scaleoview-w19-1/ Jul 22 17:30:54 fiferboy: I bet it's in the original behaviour. There's no reason my code would cause the bug in this checkbox situation, and not for other widgets. Jul 22 17:31:06 coldboot, i know no specifics about qt Jul 22 17:31:06 One of the best TN screens out there Jul 22 17:31:21 fiferboy: I bet checkboxes never get focus, because they don't do anything after you click them. Jul 22 17:31:25 coldboot: Next time I make a build I will take out your code and see how it acts Jul 22 17:31:27 lcuk: k Jul 22 17:33:41 checkboxes do get focus Jul 22 17:34:07 wazd: Found similar LG monitor for rur27434 Jul 22 17:34:07 you can use arrow/tab keystrokes to move focus and space to select Jul 22 17:34:31 RST38h: I'd better add 1500 and buy HP :) Jul 22 17:34:35 RST38h: seriously :) Jul 22 17:35:11 wazd: incredible brand loyalty =) Jul 22 17:35:22 RST38h: maybe :) Jul 22 17:35:40 RST38h: can you give me the link to LG? Jul 22 17:36:10 wazd: http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/lg-l246wp-bn-flat/4505-3174_7-32443394.html Jul 22 17:37:51 RST38h: # TFT Technology MVA Jul 22 17:38:01 wazd: Other sites say IPS Jul 22 17:38:07 RST38h: they are damn slow Jul 22 17:38:12 Ok, I have found something better: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/search.php?query=&select=model Jul 22 17:38:15 RST38h: even S-IPS are slow Jul 22 17:38:24 Simply search for the panel name Jul 22 17:38:34 RST38h: HP has H-IPS - latest stuff Jul 22 17:38:59 wazd: So does Phillips apparently Jul 22 17:39:07 RST38h: 24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4) Jul 22 17:39:18 aha Jul 22 17:40:43 RST38h: looks like phil is not available in here Jul 22 17:40:56 RST38h: and it's ugly :D Jul 22 17:41:03 wazd: Yep. price.ru knows nothing of it Jul 22 17:41:20 HP does look like the only game n town, this would explain the price Jul 22 17:41:48 RST38h: HP knows that Pro-display shouldn't have any lights and bling-bling on the front :) Jul 22 17:43:12 wazd: I am sure it is simply a mistake on their part :) Jul 22 17:43:23 wazd: Forgot to include the Blue LED (tm) Jul 22 17:43:53 wazd: My BBK has got such a huge Blue LED (tm) that it can be used for reading at night Jul 22 17:44:19 RST38h: BBK, eeeek :) Jul 22 17:44:27 DGM... Jul 22 17:44:57 wazd: it's a dvd player/recorder, not a monitor :) Jul 22 17:45:44 wazd: can't really fault them for their av stuff, it is semidecent Jul 22 17:45:48 RST38h: crappy "look at yourself, bitch!" apple cinema 24 costs fricking $1300 Jul 22 17:46:22 RST38h: oh, I have BORG with same huge blue led stuff :) Jul 22 17:46:33 RST38h: won it in karaoke contest :D Jul 22 17:47:06 wazd: Ah, fashion! Jul 22 17:50:41 RST38h: http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9774/a76lt5.jpg Jul 22 17:50:52 RST38h: nec 2490 on the left, HP on the right Jul 22 17:51:07 RST38h: but Nec is insane expensive and slow :( Jul 22 17:51:33 RST38h: it's like 40000 rur or something Jul 22 17:54:06 wazd: This is the same panel? I can't believe it... Jul 22 17:54:40 That must be some camera effect... Jul 22 17:55:00 RST38h: no, nec is MVA if I remember correct Jul 22 17:56:11 RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgWbsOeFKms Jul 22 17:57:32 ah ok Jul 22 17:58:24 wazd: So, MVA has got better blacks at the cost of speed? Or the viewing angle? Jul 22 17:58:41 RST38h: they are damn slow Jul 22 17:58:48 oh Jul 22 18:03:45 wazd: have you considered monitors with led backlight? Jul 22 18:04:18 RST38h: I'm considering any monitor with good picture and affordable price :) Jul 22 18:06:33 Ah so LED ones are even more expensive... Jul 22 18:09:34 fiferboy: I seem to have forgotten how to build qt-maemo 4.5.2, the debian directory is missing in branch qt-diablo... Jul 22 18:10:10 coldboot: From your git clone you checked out origin/4.5 and then from there checked out origin/qt-diablo? Jul 22 18:10:18 fiferboy: Yeah Jul 22 18:10:37 coldboot: git branch says you are in the qt-diablo branch? Jul 22 18:10:43 fiferboy: Yeah. Jul 22 18:10:51 What is the last commit message in git log? Jul 22 18:10:55 fiferboy: I merged qt-diablo with him-proxy, though. Jul 22 18:11:21 coldboot: In the qt-diablo branch you did 'git merge him-proxy'? Jul 22 18:11:30 fiferboy: Yeah, I did that. Jul 22 18:11:41 fiferboy: Last message that's not mine: Crash fix. Qt apps crash when backspace is pressed and autocapitalization is active Jul 22 18:12:30 coldboot: In my qt-diablo branch, the last message that is not mine is "Update debian/changelog..." Jul 22 18:12:42 coldboot: When did you do your clone? Jul 22 18:13:04 fiferboy: A couple of weeks ago, it used to have debian in there... Because I did dpkg-buildpackage two days ago... Jul 22 18:13:51 coldboot: From 4.5 branch, try wiping out your qt-diablo branch and checking it out again Jul 22 18:14:11 coldboot: You might want to refresh your clone first, there are some speed improvements in 4.5.2-1maemo2 Jul 22 18:14:27 fiferboy: How do I do that? Jul 22 18:15:10 coldboot: 'git checkout master', 'git pull', 'git checkout 4.5', 'git branch -D qt-diablo', 'git checkout -b qt-diablo origin/qt-diablo' Jul 22 18:15:11 I think Jul 22 18:15:40 Then you can do your merge Jul 22 18:15:56 coldboot: Although, would that update purely from your clone, or update your clone from qt-maemo? Jul 22 18:16:11 fiferboy: That will come from my clone directly. Jul 22 18:16:37 fiferboy: It's tracking qt-diablo, but it's still missing debian/ Jul 22 18:16:39 Weird. Jul 22 18:16:41 coldboot: I'm not exactly sure how you would update your clone from qt-maemo... Jul 22 18:17:10 coldboot: Even if you switch to your 4.5 branch, delete the qt-diablo branch and re-check it out? Jul 22 18:17:21 fiferboy: Yeah Jul 22 18:17:52 I think I messed up qt-diablo with some push Jul 22 18:18:05 coldboot: That is strange. Maybe you modified your qt-diablo branch locally and pushed it to your clone? Jul 22 18:18:18 coldboot: I know I have done that, my qt-diablo branch is a bit screwed up now Jul 22 18:20:52 coldboot: I only do 'git push origin HEAD' from the branch I want to update now Jul 22 18:21:28 I need to make qt-diablo track qt-maemo/qt-diablo somehow. Jul 22 18:21:56 coldboot: You can add the qt-maemo repository as a remote and make a branch from that Jul 22 18:22:18 coldboot: Then you should be able to push the corrected branch to your clone Jul 22 18:22:34 ugh Jul 22 18:22:43 I want my backordered n810 from nokia right now Jul 22 18:26:09 fiferboy: I added qt-maemo as a remote, but I can't find qt-diablo with `git ls-remote qt-maemo` Jul 22 18:26:21 * mgedmin registers for the maemo summit Jul 22 18:26:21 coldboot: Did you do a fetch? Jul 22 18:26:44 * fiferboy thinks about registering for the maemo summit Jul 22 18:26:57 * jeremiah Hmm. Didn't know summit regustration was open. Jul 22 18:27:10 How about a URL mgedmin? Jul 22 18:27:23 planet.maemo.org just had a couple of links Jul 22 18:27:28 Cool. Jul 22 18:27:36 fiferboy: I got it! Yeah I had to fetch. Jul 22 18:27:48 eeeek! http://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/e840196271eb11deb15535a00f6d72187218 Jul 22 18:27:51 what a SCARY link Jul 22 18:28:07 does an event like the "maemo-summit-2009" *really* need a long, hexadecimal UUID? Jul 22 18:28:26 yes, it's technical hardcore! Jul 22 18:28:27 :P Jul 22 18:28:47 It's to scare off people who aren't serious Jul 22 18:29:05 now I'm wondering if that's maybe a permalink to my personal details page :) Jul 22 18:29:32 mgedmin: Yes! Jul 22 18:29:45 amsterdam? pot smokers can program? Jul 22 18:29:56 And you should be thankful they only used hex digits... Jul 22 18:31:10 if you're doing c or c++, pot is the minimum Jul 22 18:31:21 I like c++ Jul 22 18:31:24 coldboot: Let me know if you are able to clean up your qt-diablo branch in your clone Jul 22 18:31:30 as long as math isn't involved Jul 22 18:32:18 mgedmin: thats not an UUID Jul 22 18:32:29 coldboot: checkbox doesn't clear the vkb in the old him code either Jul 22 18:32:32 mgedmin: to my eyes that looks like an md5 sum but i might be mistaken Jul 22 18:32:39 mgedmin: i have not counted the digits Jul 22 18:33:00 144 bits Jul 22 18:33:29 to distinguish it from all the 2**144 other events taking place in the maemo community Jul 22 18:33:49 we would't want to accidentally mix it up with e840196271eb11bed15535a00f6d72187218, now would we? Jul 22 18:34:16 we wouldn't? Jul 22 18:34:32 are you sure? that one involves pole dancing Jul 22 18:35:13 polish national dances don't interest me in the least Jul 22 18:35:18 one polka is just like another Jul 22 18:35:21 :D Jul 22 18:39:30 git checkout --track origin/qt-diablo Jul 22 18:39:55 nm ... I was backscrolled a long way Jul 22 18:43:24 fiferboy: qt-diablo is clean in my clone now. Jul 22 18:43:28 mgedmin: Taking all the best undecipherable UUIDs from Lotus Notes into the Web 2.0 world... Jul 22 18:43:33 fiferboy: Okay then the checkbox bug is unrelated, if it really is a bug. Jul 22 18:44:00 coldboot: That's good to know, I'm going to clean up my branch too Jul 22 18:55:01 Wow, cool. Jim Zemlin will be talking at the Maemo summit. Jul 22 18:55:13 Look forward to that. Jul 22 18:57:13 coldboot: Did you just do a 'git push origin HEAD' or did you have to force it? Jul 22 18:59:08 coldboot: I did `git push origin qt-diablo --force` Jul 22 19:00:02 coldboot: I just refreshed my clone's branch from your clone's branch (since I already had it as a remote) :) Jul 22 19:00:09 why would anyone want to do --force? Jul 22 19:00:40 slonopotamus: because we accidentally commited changes to the branch and wanted to revert it Jul 22 19:00:56 :/ Jul 22 19:01:10 commit reverse diffs? Jul 22 19:01:35 git doesn't force you to air dirty laundry Jul 22 19:01:42 slonopotamus: It is in personal clones that aren't being used by other people Jul 22 19:01:49 if anyone pulled that between your 'wrong' commit and --force, he'll be in trouble Jul 22 19:01:54 fiferboy: Cool Jul 22 19:02:03 fiferboy: I love git. Every day I find out how much more I love it. Jul 22 19:02:03 fiferboy, oh, ok Jul 22 19:02:11 fiferboy: With all other software, I hate it more every day. Jul 22 19:02:33 fiferboy: I even hate Windows more each day, because I realize how it can surprise me with undiscovered uselessness. Jul 22 19:02:38 coldboot: git is certainly making my life easier, it is hard to beleive how useful it is Jul 22 19:02:51 coldboot: Those are undocumented features... Jul 22 19:03:47 haha Jul 22 19:04:18 Everytime I think I need git to do something it doesn't, it turns out it does I just didn't know it Jul 22 19:28:08 are there APIs to get the HW version? Jul 22 19:28:20 except for /proc/component_version? :P Jul 22 19:28:40 anything cleaner? Jul 22 19:29:29 That's pretty clean Jul 22 19:29:51 Horizon checks /etc/maemo_version at startup for a 5.0 to disable its OSSO support (segfaults in PyMaemo) Jul 22 19:30:28 dougt_, why you want that? Jul 22 19:31:04 what I would really like to do is to determine the real DPI. Jul 22 19:31:13 not the stuff reported to x Jul 22 19:31:58 dougt_, you should ask display for that, no? Jul 22 19:32:06 x gets smth wrong? Jul 22 19:32:30 xdpyinfo reports 96 Jul 22 19:33:06 dougt_, under Xomap? Jul 22 19:33:16 on device, y Jul 22 19:33:33 is it suppose to report something else? ;-) Jul 22 19:33:39 i thought it was common for X to lie about DPI Jul 22 19:33:47 dougt_, afaik, it's X who lies. Jul 22 19:34:20 dougt_, X was patched to report incorrect value on purpose Jul 22 19:34:55 right. Jul 22 19:35:12 so, what I need is to get at the real dpi value. Jul 22 19:35:42 i was thinking about just looking at the hw version, and deciding based on that. i didn't find a way to get the actual dpi via an api or something like that Jul 22 19:36:00 dougt_, there must be smth low-level that tells X screen dpi Jul 22 19:36:48 dougt_, if you just want to hardcode it - /proc/component_version is absolutely ok Jul 22 19:36:56 yeah. Jul 22 19:37:05 but not something I would be very proud of. Jul 22 19:38:10 dougt_, i think you'd better ask that on X-related channel. 'how X determines screen dpi' or smth like that Jul 22 19:38:34 yup. Jul 22 19:38:37 dougt_: if it'd make you feel any better: the hildon-application-manager does it like that (look at component_version) Jul 22 19:38:58 hehe Jul 22 19:39:31 heh Jul 22 19:39:33 dougt_, that means 'you app will suck as h-a-m' :D Jul 22 19:39:54 no offence, just kidding :) Jul 22 19:40:07 :-) Jul 22 19:40:22 a bunch of people do that. Jul 22 19:40:34 haf does too? Jul 22 19:41:13 * slonopotamus doesn't understand why dpi matters, actually Jul 22 19:41:17 dpi usually comes from ... ....EDID Jul 22 19:41:31 slonopotamus: computers don't matter either. ;-) Jul 22 19:42:00 ugh, wonderful... dd if=/dev/sdh | sha1sum Jul 22 19:42:04 twice... doesn't match Jul 22 19:42:17 ShadowJK, oh my Jul 22 19:42:25 ShadowJK, why it should? Jul 22 19:42:34 Because the contents is unchanged Jul 22 19:42:50 ShadowJK, how do you know that? Jul 22 19:43:02 it's not mounted, nothing should be touching it Jul 22 19:43:09 especially not writing to it Jul 22 19:43:17 oh Jul 22 19:43:26 then you're in trouble Jul 22 19:43:37 * ShadowJK wonders whether to blame the usb hub, the card reader, the minisd-sd converter or the minisd card Jul 22 19:44:09 omg Jul 22 19:44:22 try replacing them one by one :P Jul 22 19:44:28 start with card Jul 22 19:44:35 mm Jul 22 19:49:44 A USB memory stick on same USB hub passes this test Jul 22 19:49:48 * ShadowJK tries with another usb memory stick Jul 22 19:51:55 fiferboy: Can you comment on my merge request? Jul 22 19:52:13 coldboot: Sure thing Jul 22 19:52:27 http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/merge_requests/952 Jul 22 20:16:45 hah Jul 22 20:17:09 passes test: usb -> card reader, usb -> hub -> card reader Jul 22 20:17:32 fails test: usb -> hub -> { card reader, usb pendrive } Jul 22 20:17:43 but the pendrive passes Jul 22 20:17:46 usb is shit :-( Jul 22 20:18:22 too much power drawn? Jul 22 20:18:59 powered hub... Jul 22 20:19:02 hmmm http://gitorious.org/maemo-af/vala3 Jul 22 20:19:06 (external adapter) Jul 22 20:19:12 Jaffa: ^^ Jul 22 20:19:24 The hub consumes 100mA, the card reader says 100mA and the pendrive says 100mA :/ Jul 22 20:19:34 so it should be fine even if it was self-powered Jul 22 20:24:08 ShadowJK, not fine Jul 22 20:24:16 my keyboard is 100ma Jul 22 20:24:25 problem is, power draw increases as you chord more keys Jul 22 20:24:36 it crashed the machine if i pressed >2 keys Jul 22 20:26:11 whoo ramzswap! Jul 22 20:26:54 coldboot: I found another problem, but I'm not sure if it was pre-existing Jul 22 20:27:00 i remember reading both very optimistic and very pessimistic reviews about it :D Jul 22 20:27:23 coldboot: If I get the keyboard to pop-down by selecting a non-input widget, I can't get it to pop-up again on an input widget Jul 22 20:27:50 coldboot: I'm going to test the code before your patch, because I suspect it has nothing to do with your code Jul 22 20:28:06 coldboot: I will update you (and the merge request) when I find out more, but I have to go now Jul 22 20:29:06 hi javispedro Jul 22 20:29:17 lbt: Could you review my changes in my clone? There are still some problems in certain cases when autoscrolling starts with an overshoot Jul 22 20:29:21 hi woglinde :) Jul 22 20:29:47 fiferboy: I am desperately trying to finalise the OBS work and get some Qt time... :) Jul 22 20:29:59 lbt: I'll continue to look at it tonight, but my refactor may not be the best solution. Jul 22 20:30:12 sadly I got zero assistance from anyone els in the maemo community on this stuff ... nm :) Jul 22 20:30:15 lbt: That's fine, I'll spend another day or so on it and decide if it is feasible Jul 22 20:30:32 fiferboy: Thanks. Jul 22 20:30:35 no, go slow... I want to get involved ;) Jul 22 20:30:48 gui's are more fun than build services! Jul 22 20:30:53 lbt: I'll look into eliminating some repetition as well Jul 22 20:31:04 (which is probably why I'm on my own!) Jul 22 20:31:29 sure -- It may make sense to duplicate the code you know Jul 22 20:31:35 lbt: cool. Jul 22 20:31:35 lbt: It's good when someone is actually willing to improve the build service, too bad there is no help Jul 22 20:32:01 lbt: It seems like the duplication may be necessary because yScrollState and xScrollState can be different Jul 22 20:32:18 lbt: WTF? "vala - Maemo's version of Vala"; "vala3 - Don't Ask" Jul 22 20:32:19 yes, I couldn't see an easy solution back then Jul 22 20:32:33 Jaffa: thought you may be interested... Jul 22 20:32:39 vala3 = Qt ? Jul 22 20:32:41 Anyhoo, I'm off. Talk to you later Jul 22 20:32:46 take care!! Jul 22 20:33:01 lbt: BTW, have you registered for the summit? Jul 22 20:33:07 I am trying to decide whether I should go.. Jul 22 20:33:10 yes... Jul 22 20:34:15 I'll have to check with my pregnant wife if I'm able to take the time off ;) Jul 22 20:34:30 ah Jul 22 20:34:47 shoulda thought of that back then shouldn't you... Jul 22 20:35:00 Also, it would depend on sponsorship, so I should probably apply as soon as possible Jul 22 20:35:12 I would Jul 22 20:35:13 lbt: that's what I'm wondering/hoping Jul 22 20:35:14 lbt: I know, bad planning. Summit in September, baby in November Jul 22 20:35:17 * Jaffa emailing mvo Jul 22 20:35:31 Toodle-oo! Jul 22 20:36:05 Jaffa : http://gitorious.org/maemo-af/vala3/commits/master Jul 22 20:36:34 I'd say not Jul 22 20:36:51 lbt: Indeed. Jul 22 20:37:33 * lbt goes to package cross-glibc and patchelf ... Jul 22 20:37:50 * Jaffa goes to bed. Jul 22 20:38:37 good nite jaffa Jul 22 20:46:14 lbt: Do you know much about how Qt configures itself? Jul 22 20:46:24 build time? Jul 22 20:47:38 lbt: I'm still trying to get src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputmethodprotocol.h to be copied to include/QtGui/private in 4.5.0... In 4.5.2 it's been renamed to *_p.h, which makes bin/synqt treat it differently, and I've renamed all instances of it in every file, but it's still not copied over. Jul 22 20:49:05 and why 4.5.0 ? Jul 22 20:49:12 do we care? Jul 22 20:49:28 lbt: You don't care, but I need this to backport the flicker fix to the version of Qt we have deployed. Jul 22 20:49:36 ah, OK Jul 22 20:49:39 I was wondering if you knew how Qt did this sort of thing. Jul 22 20:49:43 sure Jul 22 20:49:49 no idea :) Jul 22 20:49:54 :( Jul 22 20:50:07 I'm gonna see when it was renamed in qt-maemo. Jul 22 20:50:15 pickaxe Jul 22 20:53:42 wow Jul 22 20:53:48 start up gitk Jul 22 20:53:58 select 'find touching paths' Jul 22 20:53:59 Running `git log -S` on qt-maemo takes a while... Jul 22 20:54:03 and 19fcd40645b263923d316326e2c7bde71cb27c5c Jul 22 20:54:46 Where is "find touching paths"? Jul 22 20:55:13 Got it Jul 22 20:55:16 for qt-maemo? Jul 22 20:55:16 middle drpdown Jul 22 20:55:20 says "containing" Jul 22 20:55:34 Put 19fcd40645b263923d316326e2c7bde71cb27c5c in the find string, leave it as exact and all fields? Jul 22 20:55:36 Find commit ... Jul 22 20:55:40 no Jul 22 20:55:51 change the dropdown to "touching paths" Jul 22 20:55:56 yep Jul 22 20:55:58 pu src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputmethodprotocol.h Jul 22 20:56:01 in the the string Jul 22 20:56:16 Holy crap. Jul 22 20:56:36 fiferboy would wet himself Jul 22 20:58:32 That is amazing. Jul 22 20:58:52 hm what? Jul 22 20:58:55 I don't get it then, all they did was rename the file, and change the .pri file, and anything that includes it. Jul 22 20:59:06 I re-ran configure as it's run by dpkg-buildpackage... Jul 22 21:04:11 woglinde: git - specifically gitk here Jul 22 21:04:27 iieks gitk Jul 22 21:04:30 qgit is nicer Jul 22 21:04:43 gitk has always font problems Jul 22 21:22:06 coldboot did that do it? Jul 22 21:31:28 lbt: No, it doesn't copy the files over. It might be something that dpkg-buildpackage does, though, so I'm trying that now. It just takes forever. Jul 22 21:31:41 no it won't be that Jul 22 21:31:43 for sure Jul 22 21:32:54 what sha# are you using? Jul 22 21:35:09 lbt: I'm using the subversion revision 546 Jul 22 21:35:42 ok - too complex for me to pull the source + too busy sorry :( Jul 22 21:35:50 you could ask in #qt Jul 22 23:25:50 anybody around? Jul 22 23:26:38 nope Jul 22 23:27:59 heh Jul 22 23:28:25 was wondering if someone can check www.rancorous.net and tell me if a wordpress site opens correctly Jul 22 23:29:14 yes Jul 22 23:29:16 seems so Jul 22 23:29:18 awesome. thaks Jul 22 23:29:19 :) Jul 22 23:29:29 can you go to the one post there and tell me if it sends you to like Jul 22 23:29:35 2009/07/22/postname Jul 22 23:29:40 in the address Jul 22 23:30:29 ? Jul 22 23:30:43 hm Jul 22 23:32:09 no? Jul 22 23:32:22 no Jul 22 23:32:26 bot in the mood Jul 22 23:32:55 huh? Jul 22 23:33:05 not in the mood Jul 22 23:33:11 ok Jul 22 23:33:50 thanks for checking the site Jul 23 00:55:29 hi, i'm trying to develop a home applet using clutter-gtk, i'm new to both GTK and clutter, my applet is being loaded by hildon desktop however when the clutter widget is realized i get the assertion GTK_WIDGET_ANCHORED (widget) || GTK_IS_INVISIBLE (widget) failed Jul 23 00:56:06 my understanding is that this means that the container that is passed to plugin_init is not parented or some such Jul 23 00:56:49 however when i use a standard gtk widget instead of a clutter widget the show works fine Jul 23 00:57:11 so in: http://pastebin.com/d4ebbd363 the first section works while the second does not Jul 23 00:58:24 the clutter people said that this is likely to be to do with the way hildon attaches widgets to the home window. Can someone confirm/elaborate on this? Jul 23 01:11:58 As far as i know every GtkWidget has "configure event",why i can't add configure event for my widget ? Jul 23 01:12:51 I have use function gtk_wiget_set_events to set configure event. Jul 23 01:13:31 jumentous, ask in the maemo developers mailing list, i think anyone that could know is asleep now Jul 23 01:13:41 same goes for you tl i think Jul 23 01:14:10 ok,thank you. Jul 23 01:17:41 ok Jul 23 01:17:46 thanks lcuk Jul 23 01:18:29 np, hope you get it sorted. are you designing specifically for maemo, or making a desktop widget too? Jul 23 01:29:26 what d oyou do when you find some "wtf" pastebins? Jul 23 01:33:49 what kind of stuff does R&D mode enable you to do? Jul 23 01:34:20 jhford-work, i think it allows all sorts of research and development stuff Jul 23 01:34:56 thanks for expanding the acronym lcuk :D Jul 23 01:35:30 :D Jul 23 01:36:08 ive never needed it, i think you can disable the watchdog process and stuff with it Jul 23 01:36:35 i was hoping that there was a way to get init messages instead of the nokia logo Jul 23 01:37:05 not by default i believe. the messages themselves aren't actually written behind i believe Jul 23 01:37:24 gah, that would be too easy Jul 23 01:37:39 yeah i think you can in some way Jul 23 01:37:41 we are getting into a lot of endless reboot cycles. we reboot the tablets a LOT Jul 23 01:37:56 what are you doing with them Jul 23 01:38:02 and do they lockup programs whilst running Jul 23 01:38:14 performance test automation, we reboot at the end of the test for a clean slate Jul 23 01:38:18 no lockup Jul 23 01:38:22 we just reboot them Jul 23 01:38:54 what is being tested tho. is it switching on certain components Jul 23 01:40:34 ie, is there a pattern. does it occur more with certain tests through certain branches of the software. Jul 23 01:43:43 no, it is only an issue when the unit is rebooting Jul 23 01:43:58 our script just runs "reboot" if i am not mistaken **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 23 02:59:57 2009