**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 01 02:59:56 2009 Oct 01 03:29:13 GeneralAntilles: RDA fails Oct 01 03:29:28 "Configuration check result: Fail" Oct 01 03:50:34 Amazing how in 2009, game developers/artists still haven't figured out how trees look near the ground... http://www.nordichardware.com/skrivelser_img/560/shad.jpg Oct 01 03:51:29 They know. It's a detail that gets omitted because... well... who cares? Oct 01 03:52:06 Why render a whole ton more polys for a detail almost no one notices? Oct 01 03:54:55 lol zerojay obviously pupnik cares Oct 01 03:55:13 http://www.ohgizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/trespasser_1.jpg Trespassed 3D game - 1997 or smth Oct 01 03:56:05 holy crap pupnik that tree looks so bad i could swear it looks like a dinosaur Oct 01 03:56:31 :) Oct 01 03:57:25 zerojay, I don't buy that. Oct 01 03:57:39 GeneralAntilles: You don't have to. It's just the truth. :) Oct 01 03:57:40 zerojay, I'm pretty sure they've never been outdoors and they just don't know. :P Oct 01 03:57:46 lol Oct 01 03:57:58 There's other details that are ignored for the sake of performance. Oct 01 03:58:07 doorframes for one. Oct 01 03:58:28 Though there's far less of an argument for that one. Oct 01 03:58:48 Actually, I'm sad to report that graphics don't really feel all that much better with my 2004-to-2009 upgrade. :\ Oct 01 03:58:56 Hell, a lot of the progress bars in videogames are completely fake even. Oct 01 04:02:13 Aw http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40199&start=90 Oct 01 04:02:26 This guy totally kicks Eldar's ass. Oct 01 04:03:21 Eldar just likes stirring up shit. Oct 01 04:12:05 So the OpenPandora is shipping at last!@ Oct 01 04:12:59 Noooo! Oct 01 04:13:15 haha why? Oct 01 04:13:21 N900 appears to have lost. Oct 01 04:13:33 Though we wont call it until somebody signs for a package. ;) Oct 01 04:13:49 LOL Oct 01 04:14:00 You had a race between two almost-vaporware devices? Oct 01 04:14:10 One backed by the biggest mobile company Oct 01 04:14:10 N900 isn't vaporware. Oct 01 04:14:14 until the openpandaora can make a phone call the N900 wins :) Oct 01 04:14:16 The other by three or so hackers? Oct 01 04:14:38 Nokia's looking at about a month between announcement and release. Oct 01 04:14:43 OpenPandora is looking at 2 years. Oct 01 04:14:45 microlith: does it have two SDHC slots? Oct 01 04:14:57 anyways Oct 01 04:15:01 i am delighted Oct 01 04:15:09 ChanServ: can you get a cdma connector in an SDIO formfactor? :) Oct 01 04:15:10 it's great to see the OP comign to market finally Oct 01 04:15:13 openpandora is pretty cool Oct 01 04:16:04 with luck there'll be crosstalk due to the similarity between the devices Oct 01 04:16:34 microlith: i would not be surprised if a CDMA phone would exist in SDIO Oct 01 04:16:36 We've heard all the "Pandora is shipping!" stuff so many times before. As far as I know, they haven't even gone through FCC yet. Oct 01 04:16:41 microlith: i do know there were GPRS modems Oct 01 04:16:43 Not even through FCC. Oct 01 04:16:48 I'd say it's a ways from "shipping" Oct 01 04:16:56 http://www.openpandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en Oct 01 04:17:42 Yeah... probably won't go out this year. Oct 01 04:18:27 thats not what the newsletter said Oct 01 04:18:28 In October the factory will start to populate 4000 Pandora PCBs, this will be a slow process at first Oct 01 04:18:30 which will become substantially faster after the initial 800. Oct 01 04:18:31 As the PCBs are completed, they are tested then put in to cases, boxed up and shipped out to you. Oct 01 04:18:43 Yeah, not shipped yet. Oct 01 04:18:50 FCC cert has to happen first. Oct 01 04:19:04 I am fairly sure it will ship Oct/Nov. I am an optimist :) Oct 01 04:20:05 FCC = at least a month on it's own. Oct 01 04:21:20 I was an optimist about Pandora... a year ago. Oct 01 04:21:29 zeenix: hey, just added glib main loop integration to ecore, so it is possible to use gupnp from efl apps easily Oct 01 04:21:35 And each time they said "next month!" nothing. Oct 01 04:21:37 zeenix: rygel as well, of course :-) Oct 01 04:36:13 mornin' Oct 01 04:36:23 Imposter! Oct 01 04:36:56 thats what she said Oct 01 04:39:42 * johnx imposterates more betterer Oct 01 04:42:56 oh yeah! I keep forgetting I have a pandora on pre-order :) Oct 01 04:45:09 i won't let evildragon forget :) Oct 01 04:45:22 http://i36.tinypic.com/2q2e4hi.jpg << HAAHAAHAH a pic of the new ATI 5870, endorsed by Batman and Robin Oct 01 04:45:33 Ehehe Oct 01 04:46:24 the trick to dealing with delays is treating the money as gone, then you can be surprised if they actually ship Oct 01 04:46:30 the good batman, or the bad batman? Oct 01 04:47:05 the old batman Oct 01 04:47:34 thats the good one Oct 01 04:48:36 well, then there was the middle batman (batman forever) and the new batman (batman begins) Oct 01 04:50:27 Dark Knight rocks my world. Oct 01 04:50:34 in the 2 years the pandora has been pending, have they decreased the price appropriately? :p Oct 01 04:50:53 luke-jr, nah, just bumped the specs :) Oct 01 04:55:10 They need the 45nm OMAP3530. Oct 01 04:56:03 little late in the game for that :P Oct 01 04:57:04 the strange thing is that the part they're using was up-specced by TI from 600MHz to 720MHz Oct 01 04:57:16 though I wonder if their case design will cope with the increased heat Oct 01 04:57:41 they should up the RAM Oct 01 04:57:46 they did Oct 01 04:57:50 to 512 Oct 01 04:58:22 they already have final boards coming off the assembly line...so, no Oct 01 04:58:29 :( Oct 01 04:58:47 yeah, really is a bummer having final production in progress :P Oct 01 04:58:52 It's 45nm, so everything else should mostly bet he same. Oct 01 04:58:57 why is embedded not like desktops in this regard? Oct 01 04:59:04 just swap a chip to upgrade RAM Oct 01 04:59:07 luke-jr, are you serious? Oct 01 04:59:14 lol Oct 01 04:59:16 yeah, is there a reason for that? Oct 01 04:59:28 The mobile modularity proponents always crack me up. Oct 01 04:59:29 I mean, obviously it's probably soldered on Oct 01 04:59:35 but I mean just change the design Oct 01 04:59:42 luke-jr, the SoC and RAM/NAND are one package. Oct 01 04:59:58 GeneralAntilles: how did they upgrade the RAM to 256 if it's inside the SoC? Oct 01 05:00:01 luke-jr, it's a PoP. they just solder the whole RAM/NAND/CPU onto the board Oct 01 05:00:07 It's on top of the SoC. Oct 01 05:00:20 and they can't just get a PoP with more RAM? Oct 01 05:00:44 512MB RAM PoP aren't really available. Oct 01 05:00:49 At least the last time I asked about it. Oct 01 05:00:49 i c Oct 01 05:01:02 so it's an OMAP limitation for now Oct 01 05:01:03 Besides, more RAM == more cost and more power consumption. Oct 01 05:01:24 significantly? Oct 01 05:01:36 Since 512MB PoPs are barely available, yeah. Oct 01 05:01:37 they switched PoPs at a really late stage, but it was pin compatible Oct 01 05:01:47 dunno if there is a similar cost, pin-compat 512MB PoP Oct 01 05:03:29 Pins shouldn't be an issue. Oct 01 05:03:32 But cost definitely will. Oct 01 05:03:50 well, the big thing was they didn't have to do any work at all on the board Oct 01 05:04:09 Which is one of the big advantages of the PoP arrangement. Oct 01 05:06:08 I love the Woot descriptions. Oct 01 05:06:38 * RST38h moos Oct 01 05:06:39 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/3970357641/in/pool-1184299@N24 Oct 01 05:06:48 schweeeet camera <3 Oct 01 05:06:57 for macros, anyway Oct 01 05:07:01 tigert, that rocks Oct 01 05:07:05 Yeah, anything can look good at that resolution. :P Oct 01 05:07:16 Not anything Oct 01 05:07:29 yup, RST38h will still look like RST38h :D Oct 01 05:07:31 True enough, anything but the N8x0 cameras. Oct 01 05:07:36 But N900's camera seems to handle macro pretty well Oct 01 05:07:55 GeneralAntilles, they have cameras? I thought it was some kind of noise generator... Oct 01 05:08:03 it focuses about 10cm away Oct 01 05:08:16 Samsung or low end Panasonic will suck too =) Oct 01 05:08:33 johnx, yeah, I'm pretty sure Nokia sourced the parts for RNG then figured "webcam" would make for good box specs. Oct 01 05:08:35 * RST38h wonders what RST38h looks like Oct 01 05:09:47 http://images.google.com/images?&q=RST38h&btnG=Search+Images Oct 01 05:10:02 it's a type of calculator it appears Oct 01 05:10:12 wazd brand? Oct 01 05:10:27 johnx: Well, it got at least one image right Oct 01 05:10:34 yeah, the wazd RST38h. I think it's a russian ti83 knock off Oct 01 05:10:56 johnx: Although it is a hard query for Google, given that RST38h is an assembler instruction Oct 01 05:11:18 but doing an image search helps :) Oct 01 05:11:28 RST38h: for what architecture? O.o Oct 01 05:11:34 Z80 Oct 01 05:11:35 * luke-jr certainly has never seen anything like that in ARM or MIPS Oct 01 05:11:36 though I'd really like to see nice sensical icons for asm instructions Oct 01 05:11:44 or 8080, although there it was called RST7 Oct 01 05:11:53 i c Oct 01 05:12:12 There are other cpus than ARM and MIPS, luke-jr. Use the Power! Oct 01 05:12:17 hmm Oct 01 05:12:20 mmmm, touch screen based ASM programming :D Oct 01 05:12:29 * RST38h scratches his Yoda ears Oct 01 05:13:00 johnx: Some of my apps have debugger enabled on N8x0, so you can at least look at assembly =) Oct 01 05:13:10 Hi guys, can someone tell me about the python support for maemo and running PyQt apps on maemo Oct 01 05:13:44 RolaBlade, have you already seen the maemo pyqt4 page? Oct 01 05:14:02 RST38h: I don't know POWER assembly Oct 01 05:15:21 * Cost of 3G traffic will be the same as EDGE traffic cost. Oct 01 05:15:27 * RST38h rejoices Oct 01 05:16:00 johnx: Yeah I have but the page seems to be lacking lots of info about developing for maemo with PyQt. I started wondering if that was just some toy project. That is actually why I want to know about the support for it Oct 01 05:16:21 RolaBlade, PySide seems to be the Nokia supported thing Oct 01 05:16:23 Good morning kids Oct 01 05:16:27 same idea, but LGPL Oct 01 05:16:30 EHLO Myrtti Oct 01 05:17:10 huomenta Oct 01 05:18:01 * tigert ponders a small photo moment in ruoholahti Oct 01 05:18:10 awesome chilly morning here Oct 01 05:20:34 nah, i need my porage Oct 01 05:27:04 i hate mornings Oct 01 05:27:44 I hate any day that is not Saturday or Sunday Oct 01 05:28:02 * qwerty12_N810 types this from his bed, reluctant to get out of it Oct 01 05:28:15 qwerty12_N810, the tablets are such laziness enablers. Oct 01 05:28:28 i just have really stiff back... Oct 01 05:28:33 meh Oct 01 05:28:47 GeneralAntilles: Indeed :) Oct 01 05:29:05 Myrtti: Me too :\ Oct 01 05:29:36 * GeneralAntilles fell asleep reading on his N800 around 7, woke up around 10. :\ Oct 01 05:32:57 it's a bad sign if the commute makes me really tired and takes 15minutes Oct 01 05:33:09 if it's 3 meters Oct 01 05:33:28 metric sickness? ;) Oct 01 05:37:14 I find qwerty12's idea of a 'usable' emulator amusing ;) Oct 01 05:37:23 but i know what you meant Oct 01 05:38:11 Compare VisualBoyAdvance to VGBA and you'll catch on pretty quickly Oct 01 05:46:16 god i do not looking forward to going outside, 3 C :( Oct 01 05:46:31 qwerty: So which one is unusable? =) Oct 01 05:47:36 VisualBoyAdvance, obviously (Of course, I am talking about the tablets) :p Oct 01 05:48:06 hi Oct 01 05:48:13 qwerty12_N810: prior to VGBA, we had ATARI ST, Dosbox, NES and C64 emulation. And i'm forgetting some Oct 01 05:48:43 someone reading your post would think that vbga was the first usable emulator on the tablets Oct 01 05:48:49 pupnik: I'm talking about GBA emulation, as the topic was on GBA emulation Oct 01 05:48:54 ahh Oct 01 05:49:40 What the hell are you talking about? =) Oct 01 05:49:54 well the statement works pretty well if you define usable as "not invoked from a shell" too :) Oct 01 05:49:55 gpsp would be nice too :) Oct 01 05:50:24 I'm contemplating getting Clear WIMAX and killing my Cox internet and Cricket cell service. I'm already using GV and Gizmo as my primary number. Seems my only options are the Samsung Mondi or the N810 W.E. and I'd much rather stay away from PPC. I had a couple questions I was hoping someone here might be able to answer. Oct 01 05:50:26 that other gba emu thread on t.m.o. RST38h Oct 01 05:50:31 a moment Oct 01 05:51:06 it's so unimportant RST38h - pls forget it :) Oct 01 05:51:17 phazei: I'm not sure you could find a N810 W.E. anymore Oct 01 05:51:27 they were discontinued long before the N810 itself was Oct 01 05:51:31 ebay solves that problem Oct 01 05:51:34 as most of the world doesn't have WiMax :p Oct 01 05:51:35 pupnik: No, no, I am gonna go flame! =) Oct 01 05:51:39 phazei: it might Oct 01 05:51:44 might not too Oct 01 05:51:46 hahah Oct 01 05:51:46 :p Oct 01 05:52:02 phazei, what's the question? Oct 01 05:52:14 Does the N810 only have the external speaker, or does it have a phone type speaker that I can hold up to my head? Oct 01 05:52:25 Or do I have to use bluetooth? Oct 01 05:52:43 there's a 3.5mm jack Oct 01 05:52:53 There's no phone-type speaker Oct 01 05:53:00 phazei, it has a mic and two side speakers Oct 01 05:53:08 works as well as a speaker phone Oct 01 05:53:11 qwerty,pupnik: Before you go too deep, just for reference, let me mention that the Rotkaeqpchen apparently never had a tablet Oct 01 05:53:22 I'm not sure what you would hold up to your head besides an external speaker Oct 01 05:53:24 The 3.5mm jack, is it for headphones only, or does it also work with a mic? Oct 01 05:53:24 So, his "interest" is mostly academic at the moment Oct 01 05:53:39 phazei: both Oct 01 05:53:50 phazei: note the N810's builtin mic sucks Oct 01 05:53:56 What I meant by external speaker was the speaker phone type speaker rather than the low volume one by the ear. Oct 01 05:54:19 yeah, just has the two stereo "music speakers" Oct 01 05:54:20 phazei: that's a matter of volume, isn't it? ;) Oct 01 05:54:21 i think the microphone is normal = i.e. not useful for hifi recording Oct 01 05:54:30 So a bluetooth headset would fix the problem. Oct 01 05:54:35 yeah Oct 01 05:54:40 pupnik: not useful for speakerphone-conversing or meeting-recording either Oct 01 05:54:46 but the real question is whether it works with the wimax near you Oct 01 05:54:57 N810 builtin mic is an order of magnitude better than most laptop mics I have seen Oct 01 05:55:06 clear uses "mobile wimax" and "pre-wimax" in different areas Oct 01 05:55:15 Skype is actually USABLE with N810, can't use it with a laptop Oct 01 05:55:18 luke-jr: people could understand me fine in skype - do you have some professional type experience using it in that environment? Oct 01 05:55:26 I'm in Vegas. Oct 01 05:55:36 Skype isn't free and doesn't use SIP... Oct 01 05:55:48 Is there a free alternative? Oct 01 05:55:56 luke-jr, that's not my experience either... Oct 01 05:55:59 Google Voice iwth Gizmo. Oct 01 05:56:15 though, IMHO, the N800 works better as a speakerphone Oct 01 05:56:21 where is the N810 mic placed? Oct 01 05:56:33 Free incoming with Gizmo, and GV calls out to you so outbound is inbound. Oct 01 05:56:51 et@216.19.186.197] has joined #maemo Oct 01 05:57:05 Second, it's going to be my primary WiMAX device, so I would want to use it to provide broadband to my laptop. Oct 01 05:57:13 < RST38h> Skype is actually USABLE with N810, can't use it with a laptop <<< my experience also Oct 01 05:57:16 pupnik: just personal attempts to use it Oct 01 05:57:38 and the n810 was in my shirt-pocket while i was gizmo/skyping Oct 01 05:57:38 sitting it on a table in a meeting room, the recording is utterly useless Oct 01 05:57:47 trying to do the same with a call, also useless Oct 01 05:57:54 So could I use the bluetooth or wifi to have the internet go from the N810 to the laptop? Oct 01 05:57:57 compared to what luke-jr Oct 01 05:58:03 johnx: N810 mic is under the bottom Oct 01 05:58:08 in the stand Oct 01 05:58:12 or rather, under the stand Oct 01 05:58:42 phazei, with a little hacking around in linux Oct 01 05:58:54 it's not covered by the stand Oct 01 05:59:04 phazei: And Google Voice / Gizmo are free? Oct 01 05:59:10 pupnik: compared with anything I can hear what is said Oct 01 05:59:12 yup Oct 01 05:59:18 phazei, but I don't think Las Vegas' Clear coverage is actually real "mobile WiMax" Oct 01 05:59:25 Been using it for a couple months now. Oct 01 05:59:26 do a little digging to make sure Oct 01 05:59:35 so compared with a standard laptop, it is worse in your experience? Oct 01 05:59:39 when sitting on table Oct 01 05:59:40 interesting Oct 01 05:59:42 with what? a clear provided wimax adapter? Oct 01 05:59:50 pupnik: I don't use "standard laptop" ever. Oct 01 06:00:08 a standard laptop would be included in the term "everything" Oct 01 06:00:09 but I literally cannot make anything out via the N810 mic Oct 01 06:00:15 k Oct 01 06:00:47 the best I've been able to do is record baby heartbeats by folding the stand out and holding the bottom up to the machine speaker Oct 01 06:00:48 I've been using GV and Gizmo with PC, and a wifi phone. And just GV by itself with my cell. Oct 01 06:01:47 it's rather curious to hear such different evaluations of the micropone Oct 01 06:02:13 My other option is to get this WiMAX to WiFi portable hotspot, which is basically a portable router that you plug a USB WiMAX adapter into that runs off a battery and would work with any wifi cell. Oct 01 06:02:38 BTW, is Google Voice a SIP provider? =) Oct 01 06:02:52 Not quite. Oct 01 06:02:57 RST38h, nah, it's "something else" Oct 01 06:03:17 Ok. And how about "free"? Don't you have to pay to call landlines? Oct 01 06:03:18 When google voice first came out there was actaully a IP address that would provide you with open SIP service. Oct 01 06:04:05 RST38h: Google Voice can route via Gizmo to a Gizmo-local number Oct 01 06:04:10 But they found some inherent security issues with the SIP, so closed it. But then they made a deal with Gizmo that uses the SIP on the back end so in the GV settings you just type in your Gizmo SIP number and it does it's magic on the backend. Oct 01 06:04:13 phazei: also, don't expect the GPS function to work Oct 01 06:04:31 ? Oct 01 06:04:37 * luke-jr notes the Gizmo support is older than Google Voice, from when it was GrandCentral Oct 01 06:04:47 luke: So, is Gizmo free? It is asking me to pay for calling actual phones Oct 01 06:04:50 The GPS doesn't work with the N810 or Mer? Oct 01 06:04:58 the GPS is pretty slow to lock, and might not get a fix in a car or in some cases in a city Oct 01 06:05:07 phazei: it has issues even on Maemo Oct 01 06:05:36 If anyones sees wazd, tell him I was looking for him Oct 01 06:05:39 doesn't work out of the box in Mer *yet* but hopefully that can be worked out Oct 01 06:05:44 Gizmo is free for SIP service. Gizmo has free inbound, but you need to pay like $4 a month for a POTS number and $0.02 a min for outbound. Oct 01 06:05:49 phazei: but on non-Maemo, it's mostly hopeless at this point; you can hope on Nokia convincing TI to release code, but they have no interest in doign so Oct 01 06:05:51 Need a new menu for the AlmostTI, the one with TI73 support included Oct 01 06:06:02 But with GV you can bypass the need for the POTS number and by pass the outbound issue. Oct 01 06:06:08 phazei: So you can't call for free with Gizmo Oct 01 06:06:17 Then I do not see how it is better than Skype Oct 01 06:06:21 Making Gizmo a 100% free solution when combined with GV. Oct 01 06:06:40 phazei, also keep in mind that luke-jr basically hangs around here and bashes the Nokia stuff Oct 01 06:06:40 but you have to place calls through GV site? Oct 01 06:06:40 RST38h: Skype is not standards-compliant, and has some spyware-style "features" at least in some variants Oct 01 06:06:59 johnx: pfft Oct 01 06:07:07 luke-jr, tell me I'm wrong. Oct 01 06:07:11 GV gives you the POTS # for free and when you want to make an outbound call with GV, you type the number in to GV and it will call you and start ringing when you pick up. So it's inbound. Oct 01 06:07:13 luke: Well, I compared the call quality, Skype is usable, Gizmo/GV does not seem to be, too much distortion Oct 01 06:07:32 RST38h: that's probably the software. I only use the service. Oct 01 06:07:54 Software...eh... Oct 01 06:08:00 johnx: it's not my fault that Nokia refuses to fix the problems and everyone else seems to assist them in false advertising Maemo/Nxx0 as open source Oct 01 06:08:12 * Stskeeps gets out the ducttape Oct 01 06:08:36 I read a review that said it was a bit slow to lock on the GPS compared to a garmin. Oct 01 06:09:15 Skype has a new SIP service but it's business only. Oct 01 06:09:59 But Gizmo has a new service that is $20 a year called OpenSky, which is supposed to provide free calls to Skype. Oct 01 06:11:20 So if I could use OpenSky to forward all my Gizmo calls to Skype, that would be good. Though then I'd be doing this GV -> Gizmo -> Skype thing, which seems like quite the bit of finagling. Oct 01 06:12:15 * luke-jr glances around. Oct 01 06:12:22 Did Stskeeps put the duct tape away yet? Oct 01 06:12:26 no. Oct 01 06:12:54 * qwerty12_N810 wouldn't like Stskeeps walking near his streets Oct 01 06:13:50 Does Nokia have any N9xx WiMAX devices in line? Oct 01 06:14:25 phazei: pretty sure they discontinued the N810 WiMAX because nobody has WiMAX service available... Oct 01 06:14:35 so I'd be surprised if they did Oct 01 06:14:51 Oh, and clear said that all they need is the MAC to get any WiMAX device working. Oct 01 06:14:52 but I think you're only going to get speculation on that question Oct 01 06:15:56 With Clear charging along as they are, and all these new 4G services, seems like lots of people will have WiMAX soon. Oct 01 06:17:05 "soon" was what sprint said last time Oct 01 06:17:12 once bit, twice shy Oct 01 06:17:14 Though I'm not clear on WiMAX and 4G. WiMAX is 4G, but it doesn't seem the other way around. Would the N810 WiMAX work with any carriers 4G service? Oct 01 06:17:24 no Oct 01 06:17:30 read wikipedia Oct 01 06:17:54 there are 3g GSM and 3g CDMA networks Oct 01 06:18:05 they aren't compatible either Oct 01 06:18:20 put differently Oct 01 06:18:26 if you speak english Oct 01 06:18:33 and i speak spanish Oct 01 06:19:01 1g is like ujs speaking elementary schoo (spanish/english) Oct 01 06:19:12 2g is secondary school Oct 01 06:19:29 3g could bem high school Oct 01 06:19:47 sure we use longer words and can express more concepts Oct 01 06:20:00 Hablas ud. espanol muy bien? Oct 01 06:20:31 Bueno. Podria hablar por muchas horas! Oct 01 06:21:17 * timeless pokes phazei Oct 01 06:21:22 * Corsac wakes up Oct 01 06:21:31 * phazei wakes up Oct 01 06:21:52 If only we had Google Wave Rosie :p Oct 01 06:22:13 I just read the wiki's for WiMAX and 4G Oct 01 06:22:18 well, I'd settle for the spell checker Oct 01 06:22:41 since i'm typing on an n900 from a bed in Brno Oct 01 06:23:04 god its fucking freezing today Oct 01 06:23:05 using what Wave would call the "alternate" client Oct 01 06:23:19 Google Wave also does real time spell checking of words based on context :D Oct 01 06:23:25 /ctcp frals geolocation Oct 01 06:23:53 phazei: sure, is it going to get Brno right or wrong? Oct 01 06:24:36 Still eagerly waiting for my invite, don't know. Oct 01 06:24:44 heh Oct 01 06:24:54 stockholm, .se Oct 01 06:25:00 do you know what Brno is? Oct 01 06:25:02 poland is kinda cold too Oct 01 06:25:15 it's not bad here Oct 01 06:25:27 i was wearing shorts yesterday Oct 01 06:25:28 Are you in the Czech Republic? Oct 01 06:25:33 yep Oct 01 06:25:35 yeah, we had some scandinavian weather Oct 01 06:25:43 (that was done by googling) Oct 01 06:25:44 it's better than helsinki though where you could feel winter coming Oct 01 06:25:48 i was in slovakia yesterday morning Oct 01 06:25:54 Yes, yes it was ;) Oct 01 06:26:23 wait, is phazei the stupid irc gateway? Oct 01 06:26:36 * timeless kicks the dumb bot Oct 01 06:27:01 what irc gateway? :P Oct 01 06:27:03 you're no Rosie :) Oct 01 06:27:05 I'm using the webchat client. Oct 01 06:30:04 hey phazei. what did you find out about the wimax available in las vegas? Oct 01 06:30:12 john, what do you mean by real "mobile WiMAX" Oct 01 06:30:52 a service that complies with the standard for "mobile wimax" which added cell-to-cell roaming and some other stuff Oct 01 06:31:04 It seems to be 802.16 Oct 01 06:31:18 last time I checked, only Baltimore (and DC?) had it Oct 01 06:31:25 the rest were pre-WiMax Oct 01 06:31:41 Moscow has got mobile WiMax =) Oct 01 06:31:50 idaho? Oct 01 06:31:59 Fixed WiMax too, as a matter of fact Oct 01 06:32:10 johnx: oh...reminded me something Oct 01 06:32:11 trials were done in VA Oct 01 06:32:39 johnx: On subway once, overheard two girls talking Oct 01 06:32:43 iirc there was supposed to be a rollout somewhere in the southwest Oct 01 06:33:03 RST38h, happened to me once too Oct 01 06:33:37 hmm, as of April 1st it's only Baltimore and Portland. Oct 01 06:33:49 johnx: Both american, one explaining to the other how happy she is to leave Idaho for Moscow to work for some Christian missionary organization Oct 01 06:34:06 johnx: Made mental note : "Never EVER go to Idaho" =) Oct 01 06:34:15 lol Oct 01 06:34:25 mormons maybe Oct 01 06:34:30 RST38h, heh. little did they know, they were heading towards the wrong Moscow... Oct 01 06:34:39 they do those "missionary work in other country" -things Oct 01 06:35:00 or was this some american moscow? :) Oct 01 06:35:07 No, it was the proper one Oct 01 06:35:09 ok Oct 01 06:35:40 its always confusing with these middle-of-nowhere city names in the US Oct 01 06:35:41 tigert, yup, saw them standing outside in the cold around christmas in Japan. Oct 01 06:37:15 I'll call clear tomorrow and ask them about the pre-WiMax thing in Vegas. Vegas is pretty nice to live in since a lot of companies roll out first here. Oct 01 06:37:19 * RST38h sometimes gets bugged by missionaries. They usually start by asking if he knows the name of the God Oct 01 06:37:42 RST38h: Do you respond with "Ctulthu"? Oct 01 06:37:58 "Yea, it is Jesus, isn't it? -- How do you know? -- Simple, we crucified him." Oct 01 06:38:01 there's Finland in Minnesota Oct 01 06:38:06 for example Oct 01 06:38:38 That *normally* stops them, although some wanted to continue beyond this point. Oct 01 06:38:40 RST38h: haha, I have to use that one. Jews FTW. Oct 01 06:39:35 the good thing with this godforsaken cold is the fact my coke is cold even if i didnt put it in the fridge last night \o/ Oct 01 06:39:45 10minutes in the window and its good to drink! Oct 01 06:41:06 Anyone know if there are nationwide wireless usb broadband cards in germany that I could just sign up for for a couple weeks? Oct 01 06:41:53 as a german yes Oct 01 06:42:27 and i think i read about prepaid hsdpa data also Oct 01 06:42:58 I'm just going to take some clothes and a netbook. I was going to use the Google Wave Rosie so as long as I have wifi/broadband I'm good. Oct 01 06:43:21 http://prepaid-vergleich-tarife.de/prepaid-datentarife-umts/?gclid=CKGD5aqfm50CFVZe4wodYBhZcQ a prepaid umts chart Oct 01 06:44:24 sweet Oct 01 06:45:17 I'm not familiar with the providers there, do they all have similar coverage? I'm going to be around Frankfurt, and anywhere I can get around to inside of 1-2 weeks. Oct 01 06:46:56 I guess I'd be with simply or karlmobil as they have prepaid monthly plans. Oct 01 06:47:09 You probably do not have to care about coverage around Frankfurt... Oct 01 06:48:01 does western Europe even have the same coverage issues as the US? I kinda got the impression that coverage was pretty universal Oct 01 06:48:32 Well, the US is usually behind now-a-days. Oct 01 06:49:04 and the lack of roaming options (GSM vs CDMA) hurts a lot Oct 01 06:50:16 dunno how it is in germany, but in sweden coverage is pretty much a nonissue until you go way up north Oct 01 06:50:48 same here in Finland, and even there you have to really struggle to not get a signal Oct 01 06:51:42 johnx: Europe is more densely populated Oct 01 06:51:44 Will all GPS devices still work the same here as there? (I figured they would, just double checking) Oct 01 06:51:53 johnx: easier to have coverage there Oct 01 06:52:13 RST38h, I can't help but think that sharing phone standards must help a lot too Oct 01 06:52:17 Tons of empty shit all over the US :D Oct 01 06:52:40 I don't have any cell coverage when I visit my dad up in the mountains in AZ. Oct 01 06:52:49 there are still really weird dead spots even in densely populated areas here :/ Oct 01 06:53:19 Sharing? That's just uncapitalistic, how else can US phone companies gouge prices? Oct 01 06:53:34 johnx: That is probably not longer an issue Oct 01 06:53:52 RST38h, I actually just visited a town over the summer that had CDMA coverage only Oct 01 06:53:53 johnx: After all, you are not roaming between providers Oct 01 06:54:18 RST38h, depends on the agreements in place Oct 01 06:54:19 johnx: Many spots here have no CDMA coverage Oct 01 06:54:22 =) Oct 01 06:54:52 I wouldn't call Finland a densely populated country :) Oct 01 06:54:56 johnx: Well, leaving/working in a faraday cage does not help reception, that's true :) Oct 01 06:55:29 RST38h, heh :P but really, it was the weirdest thing to have absolutely no coverage anywhere in this town Oct 01 06:55:30 s/leaving/living mhm Oct 01 06:55:45 my phone didn't even tell me "emergency calls only" just "no signal" Oct 01 06:55:49 johnx: At least nobody can bother you Oct 01 06:56:13 RST38h, yeah, and I couldn't bother anyone for directions Oct 01 06:56:45 You needed directions? Wasn't any road leading out ok? =) Oct 01 06:57:08 family reunion (was actually a lot of fun) Oct 01 06:57:36 Ah Oct 01 06:57:41 rst38h++ Oct 01 07:09:32 Clear's support chat is so useless, they only tell me their fixed copy and paste responses. Oct 01 07:09:52 you are talking to a robot! Oct 01 07:10:02 They refered me to tech support, heh. Oct 01 07:10:08 phazei, kinda figured that would be the case. didn't want to crush your dreams though Oct 01 07:11:01 Well, I can always get their portable hotspot device at least, but then I'd have that and the phone. Oct 01 07:11:26 or wait and get an n900 :) Oct 01 07:11:31 I suppose that really opens my options up for phones though, any phone that supports wifi regardless of carrier. Tons on ebay. Oct 01 07:31:32 phazei, your dream phone doesn't exist Oct 01 07:31:40 phazei, change your expectations or build one Oct 01 07:50:30 VOI VANUKAS argghghghghghghghghgh Oct 01 07:50:45 this outburst provided to you by: egrep Oct 01 07:51:06 could be worse. could be sed Oct 01 07:51:10 that too. Oct 01 07:51:17 and awk. Oct 01 07:51:25 awk isn't too bad Oct 01 07:51:31 I hatez it Oct 01 07:51:37 though I admit that I stick to grep and cut when I can get away with it Oct 01 07:51:55 having a problem with extended regexp? Oct 01 07:52:47 I'm having problems with my life mainly Oct 01 07:52:57 not limited to software Oct 01 07:53:11 "egrep ruined my life" story at at 11! Oct 01 07:56:44 Myrtti cheer up, everything will be fine Oct 01 07:57:12 tekojo1: my forehead is just a bit bruised Oct 01 07:57:39 need one of those forehead protectors, so that when you bang your head into the wall, the wall loses Oct 01 07:59:11 thicker tin foil hat? Oct 01 08:18:13 I really love expansys Oct 01 08:21:06 mm/ Oct 01 08:23:38 Ahhahahaha! Found it! Oct 01 08:24:19 ? Oct 01 08:24:41 Traced test case down to a bug. Oct 01 08:25:02 \o/ Oct 01 08:34:03 crashanddie, there's always the HTC MAX 4G Quartz WiMAX, but $1K is a bit over my budget for a phone. Oct 01 08:34:14 And I'd still be stuck with WM6 Oct 01 08:35:10 someone announced a new satphone net recently Oct 01 08:39:05 http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/why_when_i_was_your_age.PNG :D Oct 01 08:40:50 I'm highly considering writing a sed script rather than actually trying to setup opensync Oct 01 08:43:03 heh Oct 01 08:45:00 frals: awesome, and it fitsa my n900 screen Oct 01 08:45:14 getting address book entries down from LDAP into some reasonable PIM seems harder than setting up the LDAP server was in the first place Oct 01 08:45:51 hmhm, it seems to work fine in my evo Oct 01 08:46:01 timeless: :) Oct 01 08:46:33 Corsac, kinda thinking PIM for the N8x0 Oct 01 08:46:36 works fine in thunderbird too, though I'm not sure tb is really a pim app Oct 01 08:46:37 oh. Oct 01 08:46:38 yeah Oct 01 08:46:39 well Oct 01 08:46:44 is there any, anyway? Oct 01 08:47:01 gpe-contacts and pimlico contacts both seem to have the basic functionality Oct 01 08:47:01 (is the n900 PIM application available on mer?) Oct 01 08:47:22 Corsac, not unless source appears after the Maemo5 release Oct 01 08:47:40 johnx: oki Oct 01 08:47:59 but it /should/ be available, at one point? Oct 01 08:48:07 unknown Oct 01 08:48:15 ok Oct 01 08:48:16 I won't place bets either way Oct 01 08:48:24 ...and theoretically opensync should glue LDAP and gpe-contacts or pimlico contacts together nicely Oct 01 08:48:35 I should retry mer, when I have time Oct 01 08:48:44 opensync basically sucks Oct 01 08:48:49 from my own experience, I mean Oct 01 08:48:54 I believe you Oct 01 08:49:00 I don't see any other options though Oct 01 08:49:08 there is none :/ Oct 01 08:49:13 sync on linux is just... Oct 01 08:49:16 painful Oct 01 08:49:18 or inexistent Oct 01 08:49:22 it looks like if I can figure out the config once I should be able to make it work Oct 01 08:49:31 well; there's the funambol thing Oct 01 08:49:36 syncML servers etc. Oct 01 08:49:40 but I don't really like that Oct 01 08:49:44 what I'd really like is native LDAP support inside a nice lightweight contacts app Oct 01 08:49:46 I'm not a huge fan of cloud computing Oct 01 08:49:59 I run my own LDAP server Oct 01 08:50:08 out on a little hosted xen instance Oct 01 08:50:31 me too, but I'd prefer a local addressbook, synchronized with a desktop, a laptop, etc. Oct 01 08:50:38 and sync to an ldap too Oct 01 08:50:49 but still have a way to do device2device sync Oct 01 08:51:10 I don't care how it happens but I'm absolutely tired of not having this stuff all in sync Oct 01 08:51:40 * Stskeeps glares at 0.16testing6 bugs Oct 01 08:51:44 "Yet no locale for Brazil" Oct 01 08:52:37 Corsac, so was your experience that it was insanely hard to setup or that after setup it didn't sync reliably? Oct 01 08:53:42 johnx: both Oct 01 08:53:48 :/ Oct 01 08:53:52 yeah :/ Oct 01 08:54:01 sts: tonight i'll try to update strings Oct 01 08:54:03 I had some hope with syncevolution, but it doesn't do device2device Oct 01 08:54:12 (and it only does evolution, afair) Oct 01 08:54:16 do you have any packages that need English? Oct 01 08:54:39 Corsac, that should work perfectly. thanks! (the pimlico contacts app uses an evolution data store) Oct 01 08:54:45 johnx: there's that "conduit" stuff but I don't think it does syncML over bluetooth Oct 01 08:55:06 I'll use scp from cron if I have to Oct 01 08:55:43 timeless: :nod: things will probably align a lot closer to Fremantle once we switch to the new desktop Oct 01 08:55:51 so we don't need to have different sets Oct 01 08:55:54 eta? Oct 01 08:56:09 sec, have to find my big piece of roadmap paper.. Oct 01 08:56:16 what's the networking soltion? Oct 01 08:56:42 NM with a statusbar plugin i think Oct 01 08:57:06 we release 0.16 next week and start integrating the new desktop over the next couple of days Oct 01 08:57:17 0.17 testing week 44, release week 45 Oct 01 09:01:46 Corsac, headed to bed for now. I'll see if I can figure out something sane tomorrow Oct 01 09:01:51 'night all Oct 01 09:02:11 and for those of us w/o finnish calendars? Oct 01 09:03:21 you're so carrying one ;) Oct 01 09:03:24 first / second week of nov? Oct 01 09:03:47 sp3000: i use my localization to hide most of that Oct 01 09:03:52 44 is 26 oct - 1 nov Oct 01 09:04:07 sadly the idiots managed to screw localizers there Oct 01 09:04:44 sts: really? my tablet disagrees Oct 01 09:05:05 wait... Oct 01 09:05:11 CHEESECAKE! Oct 01 09:05:20 does week numbering vary based on start of week? Oct 01 09:05:47 sp3000: what does your cal say is wk 44? Oct 01 09:06:06 iso week numbering follows thursdays, not sure if you get the same variant Oct 01 09:06:08 timeless: depending on locale.. danish starts at mondays Oct 01 09:06:12 what Stskeeps said Oct 01 09:06:19 lo wazd Oct 01 09:06:30 sp3000: what does your cal say is wk 44? Oct 01 09:06:34 (about 44, dunno about danes) Oct 01 09:06:40 i want it now! Oct 01 09:06:41 sts: awesome Oct 01 09:06:42 Morning, all Oct 01 09:06:43 Heya world :) Oct 01 09:06:55 hi wazd Oct 01 09:06:56 and this is why wk nujbers are stupid Oct 01 09:07:16 my cal claims nov1 through 7 Oct 01 09:07:19 hi wazd Oct 01 09:07:38 I'm sick of Edge connection( Oct 01 09:07:50 wazd: you decided to escape from the army into uncivilized area? :P Oct 01 09:07:53 but if ik change first day of wk to monday Oct 01 09:07:59 it agrees with sts Oct 01 09:08:07 wow, that's insane Oct 01 09:08:50 sp3000: iso weeks start on monday afaik Oct 01 09:08:50 ok, i'm so translating "week N" as " " Oct 01 09:09:06 corsac: who cares Oct 01 09:09:19 sp3000 :) Oct 01 09:09:29 it's not even portable across n900 with the same locale Oct 01 09:09:36 Corsac: sure, but the numbering is "w1 is the week with the first thursday of the year" Oct 01 09:09:46 i can't think of a less useful shorthand Oct 01 09:09:56 (i.e. the most days of that week, given Monday as the first day of the week) Oct 01 09:11:34 sp3000: ha, sorry, I misunderstood what you meant :) Oct 01 09:12:37 but yeah the us version differs, Thu 2009-01-01 is w52 rather than w01 iso Oct 01 09:13:04 well that was unparseable Oct 01 09:13:05 w52 us, w01 iso Oct 01 09:13:06 mrpf Oct 01 09:15:09 * sp3000 goes read an exciting book on prolog or something Oct 01 09:15:35 how about a book on programming localization coordinators? Oct 01 09:17:22 * timeless sighs Oct 01 09:17:41 the people who "designed" this stuff should be shot Oct 01 09:21:19 hello! where I can find API for window keyboard? Oct 01 09:34:47 Goddamn Oct 01 09:35:54 This place is freaking shielded from any signaling Oct 01 09:39:29 plastun: api docs are on maemo.org in developer or so Oct 01 09:40:35 Wazd! Oct 01 09:40:52 wazd: EHLO, something has come up =) Oct 01 09:42:39 wazd: Looks like ATI85 menu is missing TI73, should be between 86 and 82 =) Oct 01 09:58:53 I think it just might be that my blues can be blown away only by a roast beef Subway. Oct 01 10:34:08 * timeless discovers that this 4wk long summer vacation is in fact only 3 weeks long Oct 01 10:34:17 calendaring is hard Oct 01 10:34:25 they stoeled a week!!!1 Oct 01 10:34:29 ;) Oct 01 10:35:40 * timeless will have to spend a week some time or another Oct 01 10:35:54 If you take time away from "timeless," does that make "timelesser"? Oct 01 10:36:08 hey, you're timeless, you shouldn't care about one week one way or the other Oct 01 10:36:08 timeless: Fixed in Harmattan >:) Oct 01 10:36:25 range: nah, likely in Fremantle too soon. Oct 01 10:36:34 range: let's see Oct 01 10:36:39 when the devs find out someone is stealing their vacations Oct 01 10:37:04 the problem was i counted weekends Oct 01 10:37:10 or maybe that was a "motivational" feature? Oct 01 10:37:14 :P Oct 01 10:37:16 4 weekends = 4 weeks, right? Oct 01 10:37:22 WRONG. Oct 01 10:37:32 now you tell me Oct 01 10:37:58 i wonder if i made this mistake in previous years too Oct 01 10:38:27 i don't care about time, but i like to travel Oct 01 10:38:52 and rushing through because i'm well .. me, kinda spoils things Oct 01 10:39:08 otoh, it means i get back relatively sooner Oct 01 10:39:22 perhaps i can make harmattan less bad Oct 01 10:40:10 always look on the bright side of a 25% less full glass that isn't quite half empty? Oct 01 10:40:40 ;p Oct 01 10:40:46 anyone here have ms outlook? Oct 01 10:41:35 timeless: Dude, at least you didn't forget your vacation like I did once a few years ago. Oct 01 10:41:50 timeless: I do when I'm at work... so.. about 2 hours from now. Oct 01 10:42:04 * SpeedEvil reads backscroll. Oct 01 10:42:38 'luke-jr: the best I've been able to do is record baby heartbeats by folding the stand out and holding the bottom up to the machine speaker' Make sure to wipe first I guess. Oct 01 11:04:33 zerojay: if you change the first day of week from sunday to monday or vice versa, does it change "week numbering"? Oct 01 11:06:11 afternoon Oct 01 11:06:27 timeless: Good question. Hang on. Oct 01 11:07:48 i got an answer that implies it does Oct 01 11:07:59 i think the people were smoking something Oct 01 11:08:29 timeless: Yes, it does. Says W39 for today with first day as Sunday, but W40 with first day as Monday. Oct 01 11:08:56 how are the week numbers calculated? First full week in the near year? Oct 01 11:09:06 s/near/new Oct 01 11:09:33 W40 seems to be what we're on going by Nokia's internal numbering (going by firmware version). Oct 01 11:09:51 lardman: Who cares? They are calculated by HR and passed out to us on little laminated calendars Oct 01 11:09:57 lol yeah Oct 01 11:10:07 Only if you're in Europe. :) Oct 01 11:10:14 rst38h: i care Oct 01 11:10:30 because i believe that my first day is sunday Oct 01 11:10:41 so i want my calendar to show that Oct 01 11:11:06 hrr Oct 01 11:11:17 but i'd like to know that changing day of week makes my week numbering incompatible w/ hr Oct 01 11:11:42 north american calendar shows the first day of the week as sunday Oct 01 11:11:50 monday is the first day of hte week for other countries Oct 01 11:11:57 not for the UK Oct 01 11:12:11 or do you mean in the default settings? Oct 01 11:12:16 Jesus, I'm in a freaking asylum!)) Oct 01 11:12:23 finland has monday as the first day of the week and some other eu countries Oct 01 11:12:25 lol Oct 01 11:12:29 don't know off the top of my head which ones though Oct 01 11:12:55 Freaks all around me, I feel weird) Oct 01 11:12:59 sweden starts weeks with mondays as well. Oct 01 11:13:32 the week starts when you have to go to work again Oct 01 11:13:34 monday Oct 01 11:13:35 :) Oct 01 11:14:01 surely when you start thinking about going to work again, Sunday ;) Oct 01 11:14:16 wazd: The canonical quote was "Has your ambulance been going to a hospital or to an asylum?" Oct 01 11:14:26 starting the week on Sunday os almost as evil as using a 12H clock Oct 01 11:14:31 it's related to the christian calendar I THINK Oct 01 11:14:42 sunday being the first day of hte week due to it being the day of worship Oct 01 11:14:52 no, should be the last, the sabbath Oct 01 11:14:57 Btw, iphone version of gmail can't attach files? Haven't found the button but it's to lame to be true Oct 01 11:14:58 wouldn't that be a good reason to keep it last Oct 01 11:14:59 yeh Oct 01 11:15:00 wazd: And I am forced to asked for an updated to the AlmostTI menu image - need to add TI73 between TI86 and TI82 Oct 01 11:15:07 .. and on the 7th day he just arsed around doing nothing Oct 01 11:15:09 or do we assume the Jews are right there and Sat is the last day Oct 01 11:15:13 judo Oct 01 11:15:20 it's a judeo christian thing Oct 01 11:15:21 err judeo Oct 01 11:15:22 s/asked/ask Oct 01 11:15:35 typing on gprs on a pendolino is frustrating Oct 01 11:15:37 * lardman wondered what it had to do with the Japanese :) Oct 01 11:15:46 RST38h: oh, sure :) Moo btw) Oct 01 11:16:02 glass: On the 7th day He looked at the creation of His, was impressed, and said "Oh, fuck..." and everybody started fucking. Oct 01 11:16:17 Moo indeed Oct 01 11:16:33 rst *g* sounds logic Oct 01 11:16:42 of course it does =) Oct 01 11:17:25 aSIMULAter: Hey.. little UI issue. Oct 01 11:17:54 hihi what issue? Oct 01 11:18:24 PM. Oct 01 11:19:07 Hi guys i just flashed my n810 and am about to update it to the latest release, how ever when i try to install updates am getting this Oct 01 11:19:13 unable to update 0S 2008 feature upgrade application pacakges mission: preinstalled documentation-rx44 (=5.4) Oct 01 11:20:01 this is a fresh install and i ahve not done installation of any 3rd party software. or enabled any unofficial repo Oct 01 11:21:17 will OS2008 apps work on maemo 5? Oct 01 11:21:34 typically one will recompile Oct 01 11:21:37 RST38h: I've remade theme buttons btw, as you suggested Oct 01 11:22:17 RST38h: Don't know if I'll be able to show em right now) Oct 01 11:23:49 wazd: Wherever you feel like it, send them in: looks like I have the theme maker figured out, more or less Oct 01 11:24:28 vanksi: command line stuff should work, the rest depends. Oct 01 11:24:57 RST38h: Konttori sent me new version but I hadn't got time to test it Oct 01 11:27:55 hi x-fade Oct 01 11:28:45 moo X-Fade Oct 01 11:29:33 X-Fade: heya Oct 01 11:33:56 * tigert tried out the snes emu Oct 01 11:34:10 I wonder if all snes games have 4:3 aspect ratio? Oct 01 11:34:26 one could make nice touchscreen buttons for the gamer controls there Oct 01 11:34:28 in the edges Oct 01 11:35:24 not really, not enough space Oct 01 11:35:29 Sure all are 4:3 Oct 01 11:35:33 They're not exactly 4:3 btw, a bit wider Oct 01 11:35:37 * RST38h tried that approach too Oct 01 11:36:08 bigbrovar: did you remove that package? Oct 01 11:36:20 re lardman Oct 01 11:36:26 hm... Oct 01 11:36:30 hey woglinde Oct 01 11:36:50 problem with having controls on screend would be lack of multitouch, or wouldnt it be noticable? Oct 01 11:36:51 * ShadowJK finds it suspicious that Nokia announces N900 with 10M HSDPA and a 10M HSDPA USB modem so close together time-wise... Oct 01 11:36:55 lardman: Oct 01 11:37:15 did you make a typo? should it have said "missing"? Oct 01 11:37:19 ShadowJK: It is for those who can't afford the display/keyboard attachments to the modem =) Oct 01 11:37:23 lardman: no i didnt , i figured it was because am using an older flash image Oct 01 11:37:28 RST38h: really? Oct 01 11:37:36 frals: that too Oct 01 11:37:39 oh right, so it said blah *mission* blah to you? Oct 01 11:37:52 frals: though the keyboard is not total multitouch either, as it likely is a matrix Oct 01 11:38:05 ah okey Oct 01 11:38:16 "unable to update 0S 2008 feature upgrade application pacakges MISSION: preinstalled documentation-rx44 (=5.4)" Oct 01 11:38:18 lardman: so i guess downloading the latest flash should work, i tot i chould use the older image i have and upgrafe OTA but guess there are some deps Oct 01 11:38:19 vanski: do ksi: do you have a specific app in mind? Oct 01 11:38:19 see caps above Oct 01 11:38:29 frals: one could do voodoo hacks with resistive touchscreen though Oct 01 11:38:50 tigert: well, if you look at any of my apps, they include on-screen controls and run 4:3 games Oct 01 11:38:50 frals: as if you multitouch, the touch coords will be in the middle of those points Oct 01 11:38:55 with large area recognized Oct 01 11:39:01 bigbrovar: well if you flash a new image it ought to just work, but who knows, best to flash the latest avilable one really Oct 01 11:39:05 as you can see with sketch for example Oct 01 11:39:11 tigert: but you can easily notice that there is not enough space for the virtual "dpad" so it ovelaps the image a bit Oct 01 11:39:17 * lardman heads to the lab to do some work, bbiab Oct 01 11:39:18 yeah true :) Oct 01 11:39:22 RST38h: yea the dpad is the problem I guess Oct 01 11:39:24 re missing package, easiest thing to do is to probably get someone to help you forge the package Oct 01 11:40:12 lardman: i can't remember where those files lived Oct 01 11:40:31 were they evil residents of the user's home dir? Oct 01 11:40:40 yes Oct 01 11:40:59 but even if you delete them I think dpkg would still think they're installed Oct 01 11:41:10 flashing doesn't typically touch that area, right? Oct 01 11:41:51 easiest problem is if you flashed w/ rx48 instead of rx44 Oct 01 11:41:54 lardman: yeah that is what am doing right now (need to give the device out to the brother of my ex -long story- as a goodwill measure to the gods so i can be lucky in my quest for the n900 :) Oct 01 11:41:57 or something Oct 01 11:42:28 they're relatively similar but ith different preinstalled packages Oct 01 11:42:43 dpkg -l *docum* Oct 01 11:42:52 if it lists 48 ... Oct 01 11:43:44 * timeless shoots asteeple from a pendolino Oct 01 11:46:37 rx48? Oct 01 11:47:10 do as i command while i have coverage Oct 01 11:47:18 ask questions later Oct 01 11:47:50 pendolinos in centtal europe have spotty cellular coverage Oct 01 11:48:05 great views,,, Oct 01 11:48:17 to followup on my own question a few days ago, I found a good listing of non-free components: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Oct 01 11:48:24 of a military depot... :o Oct 01 11:48:52 oops, low battery Oct 01 11:49:05 n900 has closed components?! Oct 01 11:49:20 2g coverage is expensive :( Oct 01 11:49:37 I wouldn't buy it then! Oct 01 11:49:49 wazd: apparently so, but excitingly few imho Oct 01 11:50:42 mvz: everything should free or destroyed! Oct 01 11:50:54 * mvz shrugs Oct 01 11:51:29 I just want a phone I can hack on, after too many years forced to be a user only (on symbian) :) Oct 01 11:53:10 symbian is hackable Oct 01 11:53:29 RST38h: it really isn't :( Oct 01 11:53:42 preferrably with a hammer Oct 01 11:53:55 I would like hack some memory drivers in the kernel space, but that's not gonna happen :( Oct 01 11:54:13 the memory mapping sucks hard in symbian Oct 01 11:54:37 all dynarec emus are taking a huge performance hit for that :( Oct 01 11:54:42 OpenMoko is mostly working phone hardware. The hardware is a bit old and clunky though. Oct 01 11:54:55 no closed packages at all Oct 01 11:57:11 Summeli: oh, the kernel space... Oct 01 11:57:47 I would also be nice to be able to write directly to the frame buffer etc.. Oct 01 12:04:18 .. on my phone's battery, and it's either use it or bust. 8m trying for use it Oct 01 12:05:13 summeli: you enjoy tiggring tearing and device hang? Oct 01 12:05:27 timeless: yeah, i like that Oct 01 12:05:44 there's a cool window for killing these devices.. something about the bus... Oct 01 12:05:49 I find it worth for better FPS Oct 01 12:06:15 ok, just so long as you don't share your software Oct 01 12:06:23 fwiw, q3 looks fine Oct 01 12:06:37 or runs fine Oct 01 12:06:53 is nokia going to abandon symbian in favor of maemo down the line or stick with 3 different OS's and confuse consumers (symbian, maemo, win7 on the tablet 3g) Oct 01 12:07:04 fps is probably btter w GLes Oct 01 12:07:17 deception: you missed s40 Oct 01 12:07:31 and we're not good at reading tea leaves here Oct 01 12:07:34 s40 s60 and so on Oct 01 12:07:44 timeless: maybe I'll have a chance to hack it, when Symbain foundation releases open source package from the kernel :) Oct 01 12:07:47 it all runs Qt and browsers I don't see the problem Oct 01 12:07:51 s40 isn't symbian Oct 01 12:08:05 timeless: oh? Oct 01 12:08:53 ask wikipedia Oct 01 12:09:00 i see Oct 01 12:09:14 is there a symbian emulator for maemo forseeable? Oct 01 12:09:28 Summeli, I imagine there'd still be a problem in getting your hacked version onto the device? Oct 01 12:09:40 ask vmware? Oct 01 12:09:43 Decepticon: Qt will be cross platform, so there is no need Oct 01 12:09:56 heh. Oct 01 12:10:42 ShadowJK: I know that it's not gonna happen, but I could run it with TI's ZOOM board, or with some other HW :) Oct 01 12:11:41 Summeli, run it on booklet ;-) Oct 01 12:13:12 What's my "Primary community project"? tablet-encode, mud-builder, Attitude, Hermes, ...? Damned summit stuff asking me to categorise myself Oct 01 12:13:50 maemo.org? Oct 01 12:14:15 That's what I had before; don't want to pass myself off as an employee - but hopefully my name might still carry some weight ;-) Oct 01 12:14:16 Jaffa: /me just removed "council" and replaced it with MUD Oct 01 12:14:47 anyway, there is enough hardware crossover, that one could use vmware + open symbian Oct 01 12:14:58 secondary "hardware hacking :P" Oct 01 12:15:07 once you add support for vmware as a base hw :) Oct 01 12:15:30 * Jaffa sticks with just "maemo.org" - since the home of the community is my primary project, even if it's entirely off-the-radar now Oct 01 12:15:38 did i miss the election? Oct 01 12:16:20 um Oct 01 12:16:21 my battrr went from nearly empty to half charged Oct 01 12:16:34 yeah, we voted in the furry council, or the council with first names as surnames ;) Oct 01 12:16:35 timeless: warmed up? Oct 01 12:16:36 Sp3000: ping eero Oct 01 12:16:47 this is red, not green Oct 01 12:17:07 x-fade: i've been on the same train for over an hour... Oct 01 12:17:13 in .cz Oct 01 12:17:43 brno .. praha Oct 01 12:18:31 brno needs to buy a vowel Oct 01 12:18:59 You're not the first to suggest that Oct 01 12:19:09 i know Oct 01 12:19:24 * timeless misses a photo Oct 01 12:23:56 phto you mean Oct 01 12:24:49 timeless: temp, stopping charging, ... Oct 01 12:25:05 the road racer Jakub Smrz always makes me smile Oct 01 12:25:41 heh, brno at least is still pronounceable ;) Oct 01 12:27:03 smrz doesn't seem too bad Oct 01 12:27:30 what is the release date for N900? Oct 01 12:27:47 19.10 Oct 01 12:28:21 there's a release date? Oct 01 12:28:36 I heard that somewhere Oct 01 12:28:57 i thought you skipped it to introduce the Nokia N1000 "Gruntmaster" Oct 01 12:29:06 sp3000: there's a sms cnter field w. an error like that Oct 01 12:31:16 release date is october afaik Oct 01 12:31:37 Cool, that's today. Oct 01 12:31:47 wiki also says 19., although no citation Oct 01 12:31:51 "must be true" :) Oct 01 12:32:51 id go with the "when its done" either way ^^ Oct 01 12:33:04 has anyone played w/ the n900 @ the nokia store in hel.fi? Oct 01 12:34:17 N1000 will be a CDMA flip phone Oct 01 12:35:05 http://my-symbian.com/other/preview_n900.php Oct 01 12:35:12 a nice review if someone didn't notice Oct 01 12:35:55 timeless: yeah, I went there the day it was available there Oct 01 12:36:36 Looks like I'm not a psycho after all) Oct 01 12:36:43 wazd: mm? Oct 01 12:37:13 timeless: Whoa - you guys have an actual device in an actual store!? Cool Oct 01 12:37:56 did they let you play? Oct 01 12:38:11 yes Oct 01 12:38:17 afaik there should be one at each of about 5 stores worldwide :) Oct 01 12:38:25 i think one's in nyc Oct 01 12:38:59 did anything break? :) Oct 01 12:39:45 yeah, there was some process stuck or something. the whole UI was almost completely frozen. after a while it started working nicely though Oct 01 12:40:20 hrm, interesting, did it reboot or just clear up naturally? Oct 01 12:40:37 it just cleared up Oct 01 12:40:55 jeremiah: fwiw, it happened shortly after the official launch Oct 01 12:40:56 it wasn't a surprise really that the firmware was in that state then ;) Oct 01 12:41:15 I've been playing with another device at work lately.. no problems at all Oct 01 12:41:44 ah, okay Oct 01 12:41:46 as far as i'm concerned 90% of the product isn't a secret because of those 5 or so devices :) Oct 01 12:42:21 which week was it btw? Oct 01 12:43:25 anyway, i'll have access to laptops and stuff in an hour or so Oct 01 12:43:56 i'll upload my photos, back up my data, and grab a newer emmc+ssw flash Oct 01 12:44:22 timeless: it was on 3rd of september Oct 01 12:44:39 two weeks w/ just two n900s and charging cables Oct 01 12:44:54 you didn't check about? Oct 01 12:45:22 hm? Oct 01 12:47:38 * timeless ponders Oct 01 12:47:57 sp3000: speaking of which, is the copyright link fixed? :) Oct 01 12:48:15 fragent: for the specific image version Oct 01 12:48:52 timeless: nope. Oct 01 12:49:14 next time ;) Oct 01 12:49:35 always do that when you visit things Oct 01 12:49:46 what win ver, what ie/ff ver, what maemo ver... Oct 01 12:49:53 I was more interested in the build quality at the time ;) Oct 01 12:51:40 hi Oct 01 12:52:06 while trying to edit my profile on maemo.org i encountered some serious issue, who should i talk to? Oct 01 12:52:39 zeenix: me? Oct 01 12:57:49 file a bug ;) Oct 01 12:59:51 x-fade: someone still owes me a privacy fix Oct 01 13:00:31 i don't like people seeing my last name (-) ;) Oct 01 13:03:40 ok, 8m in prague, now owhow do i get where i'm going? :) Oct 01 13:05:04 All roads lead to the Castle. Oct 01 13:07:01 gm ;) Oct 01 13:08:51 hello, my internal memory seems to be full Oct 01 13:09:10 are there some folders, growing with the time? Oct 01 13:09:32 or is the only thing, i can do: uninstall apps Oct 01 13:10:01 eichi: Memory? Or disk space? Oct 01 13:10:12 disk space Oct 01 13:10:18 what about /var/cache Oct 01 13:10:21 18mb Oct 01 13:20:56 Anyone here has Google Wave account? Oct 01 13:22:35 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mc/ Oct 01 13:22:51 Oh wait, wrong url. Right one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/qt_future/ Oct 01 13:26:24 great. Oct 01 13:27:07 jeremiah, hello again Oct 01 13:27:18 what folders i can search for cleaning up some space on the device Oct 01 13:27:31 saw only /var/cache/apt at the moment Oct 01 13:30:14 yay, according to that, symbian shall die :) Oct 01 13:30:28 from lack of developers. Oct 01 13:37:31 eichi: Hi there Oct 01 13:38:02 eichi: Well, aptitude has a command called "autoclean" which removes a lot of old cruft. Oct 01 13:38:09 I'll see if apt-get has it too Oct 01 13:38:17 * jeremiah reads man page for apt-get Oct 01 13:39:09 Yup - try `apt-get clean` and `apt-get autoclean` Oct 01 13:39:17 apt-get clear Oct 01 13:39:21 They should remove stale packaging artefacts Oct 01 13:39:26 "clean" Oct 01 13:39:29 not clear Oct 01 13:39:32 :) Oct 01 13:40:17 yeah i see Oct 01 13:42:35 strange, doenst made much space Oct 01 13:42:53 less then 1mb and var cache apt is 18mb again Oct 01 13:42:57 clean removes contents of /var/cache/apt, which you already did I guess. Oct 01 13:43:08 hm. Oct 01 13:43:32 ♥ jeremiah Oct 01 13:43:32 closer the maemo summit is, more depressed I am that I need to attend a wedding Oct 01 13:43:52 More depressed I am that I can't go despite sponsorship. Oct 01 13:43:59 is it your wedding? Oct 01 13:44:01 heh Oct 01 13:44:10 as long as it is not your wedding... Oct 01 13:44:23 Myrtti: 3 day wedding? Oct 01 13:44:44 X-Fade: it's on Saturday Oct 01 13:44:56 Friday for travel, Sunday for hangover Oct 01 13:45:10 Myrtti: Ah, worst case possible :( Oct 01 13:45:23 penguinbait: no Oct 01 13:45:58 I always think I am being ignored, I must have a horrible lag Oct 01 13:46:05 I had a horrible lag Oct 01 13:46:26 better than a horrible hag ;) Oct 01 13:46:27 /ping nickserv Oct 01 13:46:35 /ping nickserv Oct 01 13:46:41 I am a horrible hag, how did you know? Oct 01 13:46:43 :-D Oct 01 13:46:47 (to see if you have horrible lag I mean. Oct 01 13:47:05 I know I copied and pasted your space the first time Oct 01 13:47:12 <------ lazy Oct 01 13:47:16 shhhh Oct 01 13:47:21 *nickserv overloads due to elevated number of pings Oct 01 13:48:37 * sp3000 likes it when debian ships useful config file updates Oct 01 13:48:45 --- /etc/mysql/my.cnf 2009-09-25 21:02:36.000000000 +0300 Oct 01 13:48:47 +++ /etc/mysql/my.cnf.dpkg-new 2009-09-02 23:52:18.000000000 +0300 Oct 01 13:48:48 @@ -51,26 +51,28 @@ Oct 01 13:48:50 key_buffer = 16M Oct 01 13:48:52 max_allowed_packet = 16M Oct 01 13:48:55 thread_stack = 128K Oct 01 13:48:56 debian shipping updates???? Oct 01 13:48:57 -thread_cache_size = 8 Oct 01 13:49:00 +thread_cache_size = 8 Oct 01 13:49:12 zerojay: :( Oct 01 13:49:17 sp3000: pastebin please! Oct 01 13:49:18 the testing distro, not sta(b)le :) Oct 01 13:49:19 javispedro, clean doenst do anything, cache folder is big as before Oct 01 13:49:28 i did not removed it by hand Oct 01 13:49:35 thopiekar: that's not too long. because I say so :) Oct 01 13:49:37 seems to be a complicated structure Oct 01 13:49:44 sp3000: kittens cry Oct 01 13:49:52 sp3000: it's too long, because kittens cry Oct 01 13:50:04 also: CHEESECAKE Oct 01 13:50:23 eichi: "apt-get clean" should clean everything under /var/cache/apt/archives Oct 01 13:50:44 * sp3000 is really pleased to have that new space that makes the config entries not align, very exciting update Oct 01 13:51:19 of course apt-get clean needs to be run as root... Oct 01 13:51:21 sp3000: your fault for editing config files. you should use ubuntu and let it magically work for you!! Oct 01 13:51:27 * Myrtti is stating the obvious Oct 01 13:51:31 javispedro, i know, bit the command need quater a second and doesnt say anything Oct 01 13:51:41 maybe the maemo apt has removed this? Oct 01 13:51:45 no. Oct 01 13:52:14 yeah, but i'm not supid ;D it did not clean anything Oct 01 13:52:40 what it's /var/cache/apt/archives? Oct 01 13:52:44 how many *.deb files? Oct 01 13:53:07 wjt: ? Oct 01 13:53:16 you wanted the pastebin, you got the pastebin, in fact the best pastebin in the world, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/673842 Oct 01 13:53:19 no Oct 01 13:53:43 there is a pkgcache.bin file with 16mb Oct 01 13:53:47 thats the problem Oct 01 13:54:07 do you have an apt instance running? Oct 01 13:54:11 application manager, etc.? Oct 01 13:54:17 no Oct 01 13:54:24 wjt: Oh, about Summit... yeah. Combination of work, lack of money, passport crap, a large move to Halifax in a few weeks, etc... Oct 01 13:54:28 how are you measuring the free space? Oct 01 13:54:35 this is on a jffs2 fs I presume? Oct 01 13:55:43 zerojay: that's a shame Oct 01 13:56:19 a 16MiB pkgcache is not normal. my tablet's one is 3MiB and my host lenny's one is 11MiB Oct 01 13:56:55 eichi: try "apt-get check" Oct 01 13:57:13 be glad you don't have the internal maemo5 repository enabled, witht that you have 50MB in total for pkgcache... Oct 01 13:57:24 s/internal/nokia internal/ Oct 01 13:57:24 Mek meant: be glad you don't have the nokia internal maemo5 repository enabled, witht that you have 50MB in total for pkgcache... Oct 01 13:58:04 Mek: more packages than Debian? O.o Oct 01 13:58:19 aparently they don't remove old versions of packages in that repo... Oct 01 13:58:40 lol Oct 01 14:06:17 hi, just a random question: which simple examples would you like to see written in Python ? Oct 01 14:07:30 wjt: Yeah... tell me about it. I've never been over to Europe... never have the cash for something like that, so it would have been just amazing. Always next year, I guess. Oct 01 14:08:06 lizardo: Desktop applet with contacts on an OSM map please ;) Oct 01 14:09:36 What if none of them are around? =) Oct 01 14:09:48 zerojay: hope so Oct 01 14:11:10 X-Fade: hey, looks an interesting idea :) reminds me of those cool Qt examples from Qt labs Oct 01 14:12:04 anyone else? it is not a formal poll , just a random question to get the Python + Maemo community feelings on the topic :) Oct 01 14:15:23 lizardo: Simple desktop plugin? Sharing plugin example? Oct 01 14:15:40 deskop widget, I mean. Oct 01 14:16:26 X-Fade: something like http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop or a little more comple? Oct 01 14:16:38 s/comple/complex/ Oct 01 14:16:39 lizardo meant: X-Fade: something like http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop or a little more complex? Oct 01 14:17:30 lizardo: That looks reasonable already IMHO. Oct 01 14:23:36 RST38h: I might just ask at another timezone :) Oct 01 14:23:48 RST38h: no big deal, though Oct 01 14:23:59 (at least for now) Oct 01 14:24:43 BTW, I feel that there are a couple of silent Python + Maemo developers out there Oct 01 14:25:47 anyone here in the USofA? Oct 01 14:25:51 they just learn how to do it by themselves :) but I would like to help those that see Python as a good first language to play with, and just happen to have NXXX around :) Oct 01 14:26:19 maybe you should ask about the python examples on the mailing list Oct 01 14:27:37 if there are any American's about, could you send me a barcode that should be pretty popular, something like a can of coke perhaps? Oct 01 14:27:38 thanks Oct 01 14:27:51 s/'s/s Oct 01 14:28:02 adeus: sure, I'll do at some point, this was just a small social experiment , I would say :) Oct 01 14:28:35 lardman: http://media.nowpublic.net/images/59/b/59bf80554ef34c402ca872932235c91b.jpg Oct 01 14:28:55 lardman: http://blog.lightninglabels.com/.a/6a00d834517f9d69e201157063df7a970b-800wi Oct 01 14:28:57 irc is only good for "I want my answer right now only for myself" kind of thigs :) Oct 01 14:29:03 X-Fade: thanks Oct 01 14:29:10 in a side story, I was very impressed that the guys that worked on the first Push N900 demos used Python... I just hope they used PyMaemo packages :) Oct 01 14:29:22 lardman: Google image search, you slacker ;) Oct 01 14:29:45 sorry, tired Oct 01 14:29:50 hmm, didn't match anyway Oct 01 14:30:05 not sure what http://www.checkupc.com/ indexes in that casre Oct 01 14:31:30 finally managed to match something http://www.checkupc.com/product-254315 Oct 01 14:32:09 lardman: This one rocks!! http://www.stylink.nl/images/stories/gespot-interieur/qr_cocacola.jpg Oct 01 14:33:28 cool, qr code Oct 01 14:33:54 The barcode app on my N95 doesn't like it ;) Oct 01 14:34:04 I'll see if mine does Oct 01 14:35:28 hmm, no wget on device; going to make it hard to download latest version Oct 01 14:35:43 curl? Oct 01 14:38:52 hmm core dump Oct 01 14:38:55 not ideal ;) Oct 01 14:39:02 will save it and try with N800 when I get home Oct 01 14:39:04 lol Oct 01 14:39:30 I've only been testing on N800 and it's fine there, promise! Oct 01 14:49:37 X-Fade: ping Oct 01 14:50:08 romaxa: here. Oct 01 14:50:32 X-Fade: I have 2 accounts on maemo.org, romaxa and romaxa_xz... password from romaxa I don't remember, and using romaxa_xz... Oct 01 14:51:02 X-Fade: is it possible to merge romaxa_xz into -> romaxa and move password from romaxa_xz to romaxa? Oct 01 14:51:28 romaxa: No, merging is not possible. Oct 01 14:51:48 * lardman thanks God that his presentation is only 20min long Oct 01 14:51:50 You can reset your password yourself? Oct 01 14:52:46 romaxa: https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php Oct 01 14:53:01 romaxa: And I can delete an account of course.. Oct 01 14:53:21 penguinbait, Oct 01 14:53:32 X-Fade: BTW, I still have that strange problem: even if I change my main e-mail to my openbossa.org address, it keeps being reset to gmail.com one a few hours later :( Oct 01 14:53:35 X-Fade: would it be possible to delete romaxa, and rename romaxa->romaxa_xz? Oct 01 14:53:49 lizardo: Change it at garage. Oct 01 14:54:00 lizardo: It syncs from there. Oct 01 14:54:06 X-Fade: I did a bug report on that , but no progress so far... no big deal , but my karma will always be around 35 that way :) Oct 01 14:54:18 X-Fade: hmm, didn't know about it Oct 01 14:54:28 romaxa: No, I can't rename because it is used in multiple services. Oct 01 14:54:51 X-Fade: it would be nice if that information is put on the "edit profile" page in maemo.ogr Oct 01 14:54:59 s/ogr/org/ Oct 01 14:54:59 lizardo meant: X-Fade: it would be nice if that information is put on the "edit profile" page in maemo.org Oct 01 14:55:12 lizardo: We will have SSO soon, so this whole mess is gone then. Oct 01 15:02:48 lcuk: sorry mate, bit short of cash atm (what with a week in Europe next week & needing to get paid for conf in Blackpool), but will buy you some beer & food if/when(!) you make it over to Amsterdam Oct 01 15:04:47 lardman, totally understand. hope to see you there too :) Oct 01 15:07:21 * Myrtti huggles lcuk Oct 01 15:07:50 Myrtti :D Oct 01 15:08:12 i got your mail, ive just been out most of the day Oct 01 15:08:27 yeah - email is noninstant media Oct 01 15:08:32 and I hate email myself Oct 01 15:08:44 getting email usually means something is wrong Oct 01 15:09:40 theres nothing wrong with any ive had in the last 24hours Oct 01 15:09:56 with some of the very kind words and actions its been a bit hard to see the screen at times Oct 01 15:09:57 :-) Oct 01 15:11:03 moo lcuk Oct 01 15:11:22 lcuk: you are still going, right? Oct 01 15:11:44 if i get over this hiccup yeah :) Oct 01 15:11:52 I have personal issues with paypal, and I refuse to get an account. I might ask Dunk if he'd deduct some money I gave to him to cover some of the expenses of my forthcoming visit and pop it your way, if he has (as I think) an account Oct 01 15:12:22 Paypal is awesome. Oct 01 15:12:22 And sucky. Oct 01 15:12:22 So is ebay. Oct 01 15:12:33 I don't use either Oct 01 15:13:10 * SpeedEvil is sitting on a sofa from ebay (well, lying), listening to a radio from ebay, typing on a laptop from ebay, through a DSL modem from ebay. Oct 01 15:13:22 I've bought a set of stickers for making an UK keyboard to a Finnish one by proxy from ebay. Oct 01 15:13:27 And watching fish that also came from... Oct 01 15:14:21 bought your soul on ebay? :P Oct 01 15:14:37 No, koi. :) Oct 01 15:15:13 Also bought _lots_ of real hardcore. Oct 01 15:15:26 (50-100mm granite, delivered) Oct 01 15:18:46 "Applications menu" Oct 01 15:18:59 Ah, Nokia, your strings are beautiful. Don't even let anybody tell you otherwise. Oct 01 15:19:33 i still like the Mer... string Oct 01 15:19:34 :P Oct 01 15:21:37 How about integers? Oct 01 15:22:04 (and, by the way, if you do not like Nokia strings you should check out what Chinese cell phone watch has) Oct 01 15:24:18 Does anyone often get "no route to host" when you try to ssh to your device? Oct 01 15:24:36 yes. Oct 01 15:24:41 it is power save. Oct 01 15:24:43 wifi pm, I guess Oct 01 15:24:47 coldboot: this is fairly normal with PSM Oct 01 15:24:56 coldboot: opposite should work fine though Oct 01 15:25:01 wake up your device and go visit some web page Oct 01 15:25:26 anyone knows if it will be realease a new firmware for the N95? Oct 01 15:25:39 ULS0: not really our topic here :) Oct 01 15:25:46 not sure it's the best place to ask :) Oct 01 15:25:47 sorry, jajajaj i know Oct 01 15:26:06 ULS0: Three virgins and 5 heads of cattle of your choice Oct 01 15:26:35 ULS0: Usual procedure (pentagram in blood, cacrificial fire at the center, no messing with those virgins!) Oct 01 15:26:41 s/c/s Oct 01 15:26:48 jajajajajaj ok Oct 01 15:27:00 lulz Oct 01 15:27:20 virgins are overrated anyway Oct 01 15:28:17 * SpeedEvil is disturbed that two of the cattle are not virgins. Oct 01 15:28:18 Stskeeps: What if the device is actually on? Oct 01 15:28:31 Stskeeps: Oh just wifi powersave, ok. Oct 01 15:28:46 gan: where's that string? Oct 01 15:29:05 coldboot: basically the client polls the wifi ap for data Oct 01 15:29:08 * timeless arrived at a place with access to stuff and is about to reflash Oct 01 15:29:21 timeless, manual. Oct 01 15:29:32 en_US Oct 01 15:30:24 ime they refuse to fix anything Oct 01 15:30:34 but please encourage them to consider being .... Oct 01 15:30:38 Page 15 Oct 01 15:30:38 those evil miswriters ;) Oct 01 15:34:10 * javispedro sees the closed source packages tmo thread is still alive Oct 01 15:35:15 ah, the infrared port is not IrDA. Oct 01 15:36:00 rm_you: we could use a fremantle status area thing for ABL :) Oct 01 15:36:27 Stskeeps: you mean a fremantle port? Oct 01 15:36:36 Stskeeps: theres a beta for it Oct 01 15:36:38 actually we're moving to fremantle desktop now, so yeah Oct 01 15:36:45 javispedro: link? Oct 01 15:36:45 interesting Oct 01 15:36:50 I haven't commited Oct 01 15:36:54 *committed the code Oct 01 15:36:58 cause i've been lazy <_< Oct 01 15:37:05 but you can grab the deb Oct 01 15:37:12 luke-jr: IrDA? n900 manual: http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/Nokia_N900_Rover_en-US_es-LAM.pdf Oct 01 15:37:14 it ... doesn't change the backlight <_< for some reason Oct 01 15:37:24 trying to figure out why Oct 01 15:37:35 committing code could help Oct 01 15:37:39 lol yeah Oct 01 15:37:47 we will start having fremantle UI in next version so Oct 01 15:37:47 i mean, the only things that changed were the UI code Oct 01 15:37:54 yeah Oct 01 15:37:55 kk Oct 01 15:37:59 will get on that Oct 01 15:38:00 sounds cool Oct 01 15:38:08 javispedro: no, link to closed pkg list Oct 01 15:38:10 i was waiting till i figured out exactly how i was gonna do it Oct 01 15:38:15 cause they aren't really... compatible Oct 01 15:38:28 i may commit a branch for ABL-fremantle Oct 01 15:38:36 and maintain them seperately <_< Oct 01 15:38:44 luke-jr: I don't have a closed pkg list, but if you mean the tmo thread, that does not contain a closed pkg list: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31967&goto=newpost Oct 01 15:38:48 Stskeeps: thoughts? Oct 01 15:39:02 move abl and implant it directly in users eyes Oct 01 15:39:08 lol lcuk Oct 01 15:39:11 rm_you: eating pizza, ask in a bit Oct 01 15:39:15 lolk Oct 01 15:43:56 Stskeeps: one of these works: http://flux.myvnc.com/advanced-backlight_0.16-1_armel.deb http://flux.myvnc.com/advanced-backlight_0.16-2_armel.deb Oct 01 15:44:53 "Only packet data connections can be used for A-GPS service". Haha. Ha. Ha. .... *sigh* Oct 01 15:45:09 that means no wifi? Oct 01 15:45:44 "A wireless LAN (WLAN) access point cannot be used for this service" Oct 01 15:46:29 hm last evening I had cool idea for localization Oct 01 15:46:35 javis: bullshit? Oct 01 15:46:53 RST38h: straight from N900 Manual. Oct 01 15:46:57 scanning for aps and mark points where you get 5 essid's Oct 01 15:46:57 javis: why does my n810 happily use WiFi for AGPS? Oct 01 15:47:17 RST38h: wild guess: they didn't want to put a world map widget to select your current location. Oct 01 15:47:19 RST38h: Because it has no packet data connections? >:) Oct 01 15:47:24 woglinde: You do understand that you are not the first? :) Oct 01 15:47:36 rst yes Oct 01 15:47:45 range: Yea, that would be a big problem =) Oct 01 15:48:04 rst but where are the osm-maps for that? Oct 01 15:48:12 andre__, where the hell do you want user documentation bugs? Oct 01 15:48:19 Ah, nevermind. Oct 01 15:48:19 woglinde: google for "skyhook" Oct 01 15:48:20 Found it. Oct 01 15:48:27 "Almost all digital cartography is inaccurate". Thanks for selling it to us a hefty price then! Oct 01 15:48:35 s/a/at a Oct 01 15:48:37 GeneralAntilles, it's called "User Guide" ;-) Oct 01 15:48:38 woglinde: there are also OSS services for that but they are not very numerous Oct 01 15:48:58 javis: Do they mention checking if the mapped roads actually exist? Oct 01 15:49:16 andre__, have hardly filed any bugs in the past 6 months. :\ Oct 01 15:49:44 RST38h: they don't; there's just the usual disclaimer "never rely on this device solely". Oct 01 15:49:56 GeneralAntilles, slacker! ;-) Oct 01 15:50:02 RST38h: this is why you should join me in protesting a closed device Oct 01 15:50:06 andre__, I blame Nokia. :/ Oct 01 15:50:08 well. there wasn't much sense in the last 6 months either Oct 01 15:50:10 yeah Oct 01 15:50:20 luke: Ok, I will not egg you, will just stare at you sadly Oct 01 15:50:43 RST38h: if it were open, you could put the N810's wifi A-GPS into the N900's Oct 01 15:51:21 Really? In spite of them using different GPS chips? Oct 01 15:51:33 luke-jr: That would make no sense at all. Oct 01 15:51:34 * javispedro wonders if i "relying solely" in one inaccurate cartography is really worse than relying solely in two inaccurate maps. Oct 01 15:51:45 RST38h: yes Oct 01 15:51:58 RST38h: the A-GPS is mostly fetching satellite data online Oct 01 15:52:02 RST38h I only knowed this from gsm cells Oct 01 15:52:28 * javispedro also wonders if the ir port is fast enough to do at least some kind of slow soft irda Oct 01 15:52:39 woglinde: The location by wifi has also been tried usually on the local scale, because wifi aps change so much Oct 01 15:52:45 javispedro: No incoming signal? Oct 01 15:52:58 X-Fade: ah, that would be quite a showstopper :P Oct 01 15:53:14 RST38h hm Oct 01 15:53:23 javispedro: It states in the manual that it can not be used for irda ;) Oct 01 15:53:43 X-Fade: yeah, but I did not know it was a receiver only. Makes sense tho. Oct 01 15:53:54 javispedro: transmitter only. Oct 01 15:53:56 andre__, any news on Bugzilla updates? Oct 01 15:54:00 er.. that. Sorry ;) Oct 01 15:54:21 javispedro: That is why irreco works natively this time. Oct 01 15:55:10 X-Fade: no receiver means no learning though. Oct 01 15:55:19 yawn Oct 01 15:55:24 waiting for this damn touchbook to ship out Oct 01 15:55:30 and it still hasn't shipped out yet :-\ Oct 01 15:55:35 javispedro: Indeed. But it used default lirc, so not really a big deal. Oct 01 15:55:53 GeneralAntilles, flooded with Fremantle work currently. Ferenc did some stuff, while I need to do some more CSS stuff... Oct 01 15:56:22 lirc! Oct 01 15:56:39 juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html Oct 01 15:57:00 X-Fade: help <_< Oct 01 15:57:41 X-Fade: still getting emails every day from garage saying i have a message waiting in the mailing list queue for pyshop, and I can't figure out how to clear it Oct 01 15:57:50 X-Fade: have been for the last... year. Oct 01 15:57:54 it's annoying <_< Oct 01 15:58:16 hi rm_you Oct 01 15:58:19 bye rm_you Oct 01 15:58:22 lol Oct 01 15:58:26 hi/bye johnx Oct 01 15:58:39 * johnx heads to work Oct 01 15:58:41 rm_you: Can't you just use the forgot password option? Oct 01 15:59:01 i don't think it worked but i will try again Oct 01 15:59:19 rm_you: Hmm then I can reset the list password for you. Oct 01 15:59:24 Stskeeps: i suppose i should change my "other projects" to stop saying "Mer 1.0" :P lol Oct 01 16:00:05 X-Fade: give me a sec I will try it... Oct 01 16:00:16 rm_you: bbl, have to step out now. Will be back in an hour or so.. Oct 01 16:00:19 k Oct 01 16:00:39 X-Fade: I just don't see the option Oct 01 16:02:20 What is the size of XB-Maemo-Icon-26 in fremantle? Oct 01 16:02:25 48 Oct 01 16:02:27 x48. Oct 01 16:02:33 javispedro: Thanks! Oct 01 16:12:15 yo qwert12 Oct 01 16:12:37 Hi Oct 01 16:12:50 hows it going? Oct 01 16:13:01 All good here, thanks, how about you? Oct 01 16:13:01 hi qwerty13. Oct 01 16:13:11 Jaffa: Ping? Oct 01 16:13:13 qwerty13 is dead. :) Oct 01 16:13:17 it was suggest that i shout you out to do some stuff with android on the n810...im good also thanks..at work but..alas Oct 01 16:13:42 !seen qwerty13 Oct 01 16:13:54 no bot to announce that death...sorry Oct 01 16:13:58 purevol: lol, you really don't want to ask me... Not sure what I was doing in the first place, and I don't really like Android if the truth be told :) Oct 01 16:14:34 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not more resistive capacite crap Oct 01 16:14:38 hah, well if you have any docs that would be rad, i would like to attempt to port the OAA version of android over to the n810 Oct 01 16:15:12 plus i cant do any android hacking cause where i live there is no tmobz Oct 01 16:15:33 although i did build eclips and the android sdk, but its just not the same Oct 01 16:16:07 purevol: Did you look at the NITdroid project? http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ - it's probably the most recent thing that there is (and that's not saying much, in all honesty...) Oct 01 16:16:27 bbl Oct 01 16:16:42 yeah i saw that, project looks dead Oct 01 16:20:26 i think i may have emailed the dude also Oct 01 16:22:33 is there a good document out there, that tells me about the hardware in the n810, and how it system calls are done in relation to the maemo build? Oct 01 16:22:46 that would probably be a good place to start/baseline Oct 01 16:22:52 Why some users want MMS on N900: http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/iphone-mms-penis-pictures-crash-servers/ Oct 01 16:23:05 ;p Oct 01 16:23:10 WIN! Oct 01 16:23:15 :) Oct 01 16:24:23 Funny... I thought men with small dicks got the iPhone to try and make up for the lack of inches in some way... Oct 01 16:26:23 qwerty: The secret is in the iPhone camera distortions Oct 01 16:28:13 oh splitoriffic! Oct 01 16:34:55 Stskeeps: from what I see, DSME was only even requested for being opened because of things Nokia removed before opening it Oct 01 16:35:05 what was opened of DSME is useless AFAIK Oct 01 16:35:20 anyone have any clue how to change the brightness now in fremantle? Oct 01 16:35:24 apparently DSME no longer does it? Oct 01 16:35:47 need to figure out what handles it now <_< Oct 01 16:37:03 and i guess i'm practically the only person in the channel without a device in front of me to test on? :P Oct 01 16:37:29 no you're not Oct 01 16:37:35 though I have nothing to test Oct 01 16:37:44 yeah, i know... feels like it sometimes tho <_< Oct 01 16:38:01 it's just the loud kids making a lot of noise of their new toy Oct 01 16:38:18 I would like a new toy :) Oct 01 16:38:26 but i don't know if i have time for it anyway Oct 01 16:38:27 Stskeeps: no matter how strong the community, it won't solve problems with proprietary blobs Oct 01 16:44:36 rm_you: All the stuff taken out of DSME was moved to MCE... A GConf key is watched Oct 01 16:45:01 qwerty12: that's it? it just watches a gconf key for the brightness change? Oct 01 16:45:09 qwerty12: do you know which key? Oct 01 16:45:40 The values accepted by that key is the same as Diablo: 1-5 Oct 01 16:45:46 errr Oct 01 16:45:50 ok no, not that Oct 01 16:46:00 directly changing the brightness Oct 01 16:46:07 You'll have to get a device to find out how it does the actual changing :) Oct 01 16:46:08 Yep Oct 01 16:46:15 blegh Oct 01 16:46:18 yeah Oct 01 16:46:35 so i guess my first task at the summit will be *actually making ABL work* Oct 01 16:46:43 was hoping to have that done beforehand <_< Oct 01 16:46:55 k well, bbl Oct 01 16:51:04 Ok, so ship date is mid-october now. Oct 01 16:51:29 Is this blasphemy? Oct 01 16:52:21 Yes, yes it is. Oct 01 16:59:16 Sargun_Screen: an actual ship date? Oct 01 16:59:28 Corsac: most people are reporting late october Oct 01 16:59:41 nothing official. Oct 01 17:00:08 yeah Oct 01 17:00:15 The way this month is working out... I might thank them if I end up paying from November's pay :-) Oct 01 17:00:20 expansys oscillates between oct 22 and oct 29 Oct 01 17:00:37 hehe Oct 01 17:02:09 evening all Oct 01 17:02:45 evenin lardman Oct 01 17:03:13 hi pupnik Oct 01 17:07:03 X-Fade: well mbarcode decodes it and asks if I want to open http://www.setjapan.com/ Oct 01 17:07:16 X-Fade: though derf is the one to thank as it's his QR decoder Oct 01 17:08:57 anyone seen problems with destroying a gtk dialog? Oct 01 17:09:06 luke-jr: blah blah Oct 01 17:10:05 rm_you: any screenshots? Oct 01 17:14:42 luke-jr: can we just agree to disagree cos it's a colossal waste of time for both of us to discuss these topics over and over again? Oct 01 17:17:33 Stskeeps: yeah sec Oct 01 17:18:00 SDK screenshot is perfectly fine Oct 01 17:18:32 Even with power saving wifi off for the specific wifi connection I've got, I can't ssh until I "use the network" on the device. Oct 01 17:18:44 coldboot: might be an AP device then Oct 01 17:22:15 lardman: I'm actually pretty impressed that worked. Oct 01 17:22:47 you saw the jpg? Oct 01 17:22:54 me too, very good work :) Oct 01 17:23:08 Stskeeps: http://flux.myvnc.com/screenshot05.png http://flux.myvnc.com/screenshot03.png Oct 01 17:23:33 looks like crap on the sdk so those are from someone's tablet with the beta Oct 01 17:24:40 mm, my issue is really if it is showing up in the task area Oct 01 17:24:50 err Oct 01 17:24:52 status area Oct 01 17:24:55 oh Oct 01 17:24:57 sec Oct 01 17:25:07 and how it is Oct 01 17:25:20 feel free to msg me it Oct 01 17:25:22 http://flux.myvnc.com/ABL2.png Oct 01 17:25:30 that is totally not what the applet itself looks like now Oct 01 17:25:36 but you can see it there in the taskbar Oct 01 17:25:47 okay, did you see the fremantle status area? Oct 01 17:26:05 ? Oct 01 17:26:18 sec Oct 01 17:26:30 basically when you click the status area above, it pops up something like: Oct 01 17:26:38 http://flux.myvnc.com/ABL1.png Oct 01 17:26:41 that? Oct 01 17:26:51 right Oct 01 17:26:59 but.. : Oct 01 17:27:51 ? Oct 01 17:28:07 have to find a screenshot for reference :) Oct 01 17:29:07 dunno why the sdk has horrible graphics bugs on my computer <_< Oct 01 17:29:10 or is it all computers Oct 01 17:29:19 all Oct 01 17:30:29 rm_you: having to press on the label to bring up its controls is a little anal (although, admittedly, you don't have vast amounts of space available):/ : Look at the volume control here: http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr11.jpg Oct 01 17:30:57 oh, can you AVOID that annoying middle step? Oct 01 17:31:09 ahwhat? Oct 01 17:31:09 not sure Oct 01 17:31:30 whose app is that? Oct 01 17:31:54 that's a task area from fremantle, with maemo5-load-applet Oct 01 17:31:56 i think Oct 01 17:32:00 All of the applets there are by Nokia, except for the load applet in the bottom-right corner Oct 01 17:32:18 mmmm, wine Oct 01 17:32:47 summit 2009 registration is closed.. does that mean it's fully booked? Oct 01 17:33:17 hrm, so if that is the official volume app? then ABL can go back to JUST being "advanced backlight" instead of "combine 100 things into one" Oct 01 17:33:20 rm_you: I can't say anything but you'll probably crack up when you realise how the actual changing of the brightness is done Oct 01 17:33:32 qwerty12: wait, you know? Oct 01 17:33:35 rm_you: That's what I'd prefer, personally Oct 01 17:33:55 rm_you: i would write many different applets tbh Oct 01 17:34:03 rm_you: did some looking, but I really can't say anything Oct 01 17:34:06 like, backlight, volume, rotation Oct 01 17:34:51 yeah Oct 01 17:34:52 well Oct 01 17:34:56 no point in volume is there Oct 01 17:35:01 the official one is fine Oct 01 17:35:28 could still be good to have a alsamixer type one for mer, or a generic hook thing Oct 01 17:35:53 we'll see... i guess i was more out of the loop than i thought Oct 01 17:36:05 heck, i was blind regarding fremantle status area for a while Oct 01 17:36:15 i'll give up on having a working beta for the summit, i'll just have to get ahold of a device there and play around for a bit and fix it then Oct 01 17:36:56 * Stskeeps looks at his roadmap paper Oct 01 17:37:07 qwerty12: can't say anything because you don't KNOW anything, or you aren't ALLOWED to say anything? Oct 01 17:37:18 rm_you: rather rude to ask people that question :) Oct 01 17:37:22 lol Oct 01 17:37:35 well, it makes a difference to how i have to approach things :P Oct 01 17:37:37 rm_you: the latter. Oct 01 17:37:47 srsly? roger Oct 01 17:37:57 But it's as easy as fuck, believe me Oct 01 17:38:07 rm_you: we're having 0.17 out in week 45 (testing week 44), with new desktop, so if you're interested in making small useful statusbar applets, we need help :P Oct 01 17:38:30 qwerty12: you mean, it would be easy for me to code the changing? or like, it really is easy by default? Oct 01 17:38:57 qwerty12, then prepare a patch based on the current abl api, so it will be easy for adam to change over when you see him Oct 01 17:39:14 /when we see him Oct 01 17:39:20 qwerty12: in your opinion with whatever it is that you know that i don't, is there really even a necessity for ABL to exist? >_> Oct 01 17:39:24 lcuk: so you going to make it? Oct 01 17:39:26 ill bring it personally... :) Oct 01 17:39:55 qwerty12_N810: in your opinion with whatever it is that you know that i don't, is there really even a necessity for ABL to exist? >_> Oct 01 17:40:24 lcuk: get enough donations/etc to make it to the summit? Oct 01 17:40:33 rm_you: You can see from that status area screenshot that there isn't even an applet to switch it from 1-5 :) Oct 01 17:40:52 lol yeah so is it like a hardware knob? :P Oct 01 17:41:29 When maemo 6 will be released, will N900 be able to update tht? Oct 01 17:42:25 Fuck, I'd be ecstatic if someone made a simple applet to just switch from 1-5 Oct 01 17:42:46 qwerty12_N810: wait, did it get WORSE again? :P Oct 01 17:42:50 roflcopter? Oct 01 17:46:19 rm_you: simple status area applet could be interesting really. give it icon and an area to draw into, and simple callback stuff :P Oct 01 17:46:41 so it would be easy for people to pick up on Oct 01 17:48:08 hrmrm Oct 01 17:48:10 brb Oct 01 17:50:29 like, a bar, a slider, toggles :P Oct 01 17:53:27 muahaha.. i found a backdoor way to register for summit 2009, and i'm not tellin anyone.. muahaha Oct 01 17:53:50 unixSnob: sleeping with maemo.org admins doesn't count Oct 01 17:54:02 unixSnob: You'll also be chucked out of the backdoor when you go :p Oct 01 17:54:29 * unixSnob makes a note not to put unixsnob on his name tag Oct 01 17:54:52 rm_you, yes thank you Oct 01 17:55:06 and thank you to everyone else :) Oct 01 17:55:14 i will be coming to the summit \o/ Oct 01 17:55:21 you are? brilliant Oct 01 17:55:43 I was just poking Dunk to put a bit of moneyz on your way Oct 01 17:55:58 lcuk: glad to hear it. Does reduced funds mean De Wallen is off the list? Oct 01 17:56:01 I'll poke him still Oct 01 17:56:24 :$ Myrtti thank you Oct 01 17:56:40 it was never on the list in the first place qwerty Oct 01 17:57:02 Right. :) Oct 01 17:57:03 lcuk: I'll still be awaiting for the chances for after work beer though, and hope that pulls off ;-) Oct 01 17:57:13 me too Myrtti Oct 01 17:57:17 lcuk: so don't think for a moment you're through with me :-D Oct 01 17:57:22 what do you mean, Holly wants to go there Oct 01 17:57:25 ive got a lot of people to talk to at the summit Oct 01 17:57:35 lardman: wtf, you serious? Oct 01 17:57:42 and hope there will be a way for me to remain as active in the community as i currently am Oct 01 17:57:42 lcuk: Live blog, please.!I can't go even with sponsorship this year. :/ Oct 01 17:57:43 yeah Oct 01 17:57:53 i feel at home and relaxed here and we get a lot of people started Oct 01 17:57:54 qwerty12_N810: she wants to see what it's like Oct 01 17:57:58 lardman: Maybe she's looking for new ideas... ;) Oct 01 17:58:06 great! ;) Oct 01 17:58:14 supper, bbiam Oct 01 17:58:18 s/m/b Oct 01 17:58:39 s/m/b is that something new to do in de wallen? Oct 01 17:59:03 it's missing a "/d" Oct 01 17:59:06 zerojay, i have n900 - liqbase has live upload of everything i do Oct 01 17:59:13 * unixSnob wonders how to hack the shared room allocations to room w/ a hot chick Oct 01 17:59:13 i hope to have image upload too Oct 01 17:59:18 i need to remember names this year Oct 01 17:59:24 and faces Oct 01 17:59:48 oh crap, room allocation table Oct 01 17:59:59 could someone update it so me n sampo are marked as sharing Oct 01 18:00:19 * unixSnob considers similar female names for registration Oct 01 18:00:23 or gimme link Oct 01 18:00:38 unixSnob, with international folks, going on female sounding names isnt right Oct 01 18:02:44 i'll go as Mandy Olga.. muhaha Oct 01 18:02:57 that'll get me a room w/ a chick Oct 01 18:04:35 or a kick in the groin Oct 01 18:05:23 * unixSnob packs nut cup Oct 01 18:06:00 Say that you're transsexual and very sensitive about it Oct 01 18:06:07 lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation#Shared_Room_Allocations ? Oct 01 18:06:14 done it Oct 01 18:06:16 tis ok! Oct 01 18:06:29 cos i had to indicate different dates too i forgot about all that Oct 01 18:06:38 please say I got the right url :-D Oct 01 18:06:49 qwerty12_N810: that's probably the way to get a room to myself Oct 01 18:06:52 ok, I did Oct 01 18:06:52 yay Oct 01 18:07:22 unixSnob: ROFL... true, you can't win :( Oct 01 18:07:51 its ok, maemo community welcomes those differences Oct 01 18:07:58 we are inclusionary Oct 01 18:08:23 lcuk: but who would have to take a hit for the team and share w/ a tranny? Oct 01 18:08:41 lcuk is proof of that Oct 01 18:08:45 right now, i will Oct 01 18:08:56 i'd rather be in amsterdam with a tranny than at home moping about Oct 01 18:09:10 * Myrtti rolls eyes Oct 01 18:09:18 lcuk<-- apparently isn't sure what he is wishing for Oct 01 18:09:19 and the entire community has made it possible Oct 01 18:09:25 lol Oct 01 18:09:49 just because someone wears makeup and a dress does not mean they are a predator. Oct 01 18:09:57 its more likely those that are repressed.. Oct 01 18:09:57 lcuk: think of it as a tour to do some interviewing =) Oct 01 18:10:04 * lcuk is Oct 01 18:10:13 Myrtti: i thought you couldn't make it to the summit? Oct 01 18:10:25 can you now? Oct 01 18:10:27 rm_you: I can't Oct 01 18:10:30 ah :( Oct 01 18:10:31 lcuk: you've been quoted. Enjoy :) Oct 01 18:10:48 lcuk: apparently the sum I suggested was doubled Oct 01 18:11:04 o_O :D then the hugs i will give will be qudrupled Oct 01 18:11:10 (I'll be waiting for my bank statement with certain fear) Oct 01 18:11:56 it's not as much as I'd want to but it's an amount I don't need to worry Oct 01 18:12:25 lcuk: i will still prolly buy you dinner too if 20 other people don't beat me to it, lol Oct 01 18:13:57 and now i need to head to work, bbl Oct 01 18:14:22 that would be most appreciated rm_you, as you know i still have no idea whether any of this will work :) but i can at least try. Oct 01 18:14:34 cya later rm_you \o and we will get abl sorted for you Oct 01 18:14:51 lcuk: you sure you want to stay in the UK? You could easily get a job here, prolly starting around $60k US, and the cost of living is so much lower than the UK :P Oct 01 18:15:07 though I suppose given a choice i'd rather be in the UK than here :P Oct 01 18:15:18 rm_you: What country is here? Oct 01 18:15:23 rm_you: SOme us cities are pretty decent Oct 01 18:15:29 Texas :P almost a country Oct 01 18:15:46 You can easily make 80 or 90k in New York, San Francisco / Silicon Valley, and Boston. Oct 01 18:15:51 though I'm from Seattle, WA, originally, and i prefer it there Oct 01 18:15:52 yep Oct 01 18:15:57 Eww, Texas. I'd take London, even, over Texas any day Oct 01 18:16:01 rm_you, i personally have no problems we just have logistics for the kids to sort out. thats for another day tho Oct 01 18:16:07 * RST38h would skip Texas too Oct 01 18:16:10 heh yeah true Oct 01 18:16:12 lol Oct 01 18:16:21 TX is only bad if you're in the middle of nowhere Oct 01 18:16:33 qwerty12_N810: it's spelled Texass Oct 01 18:16:35 big cities are ok :P Oct 01 18:16:36 The downside is you don't get the rich variety of culture in Europe. Oct 01 18:16:59 coldboot: yeah and cost of living in those places is like 2-3x Oct 01 18:17:07 unixSnob: Where can I enter? Oct 01 18:17:20 rm_you: Just means you have a smaller place and less stuff. Oct 01 18:18:06 I'm renting a two story house here for $1850/mo Oct 01 18:18:22 rm_you: Where are you? Oct 01 18:18:26 San Antonio Oct 01 18:18:33 scary shit: powerlaunch works with fremantle desktop Oct 01 18:18:55 I've got a studio apartment in Downtown Brooklyn for 1800. Oct 01 18:19:12 It's worth it though, to be in New York. Oct 01 18:19:17 i don't know prices off the top of my head for BUYING a house, but a couple of my friends have recently, and it's damn cheap compared to anywhere else i've ever lived Oct 01 18:19:19 * unixSnob wonders how rent in a stinky republican infested region like texass can be over $1k Oct 01 18:19:31 lol Oct 01 18:19:49 unixSnob: $1850 for a HOUSE. it has 5 bedrooms. Oct 01 18:20:14 we converted another room to a bedroom and we all pay $310/mo each Oct 01 18:20:26 but for someone like lcuk with a family the whole number is the important part Oct 01 18:21:01 San Antonio's population density: 1,084.4/km^2, Toronto: 3,972/km^2 Oct 01 18:21:16 counting cattle? Oct 01 18:22:02 New York City: 10,606/km^2 Oct 01 18:22:54 unixSnob: I don't believe so. Oct 01 18:23:07 So that's why your house is cheap to rent, the population density is pretty sparse. Oct 01 18:23:18 yeah, but it Oct 01 18:23:21 it's still a big city Oct 01 18:23:35 Spread out over a large area. Oct 01 18:24:03 true Oct 01 18:24:16 #9 most populous city in the US Oct 01 18:24:22 Manhattan: 27,490.9/km^2 -- wow Oct 01 18:24:30 mameo.org Oct 01 18:24:38 coldboot: people live there? Oct 01 18:24:46 in america, we use miles Oct 01 18:24:57 :-) Oct 01 18:25:03 In Not America, we use Kilometres. Oct 01 18:25:06 And we spell it like that. Oct 01 18:25:10 lol Oct 01 18:25:43 actually, #7 most populous city in the US, this list i'm looking at on wikipedia includes canada, lol Oct 01 18:25:53 coldboot: You mean Canada is not America? Oct 01 18:26:11 not America, yet* Oct 01 18:26:15 lol Oct 01 18:26:32 Send the Marines! Oct 01 18:26:43 Canada: America's Hat Oct 01 18:26:57 Canada is America :P just not the united states of ^_^ Oct 01 18:27:02 tinfoil hat Oct 01 18:27:19 Canada: Little USA Oct 01 18:27:20 US citizens like to hijack 'america' as a term for themselves Oct 01 18:27:20 With this new health care reform, it seems the US is finally trying to catch up to Canada from the 1960s. Maybe in a decade or they'll adopt the metric system to catch up with the 70s. Oct 01 18:27:37 lol, no kidding. Oct 01 18:28:29 The US had Bush as their President. Good luck catching up. Oct 01 18:28:58 i know :( it's a bit depressing Oct 01 18:29:03 bush's stem cell ban has already been overturned Oct 01 18:29:06 re Oct 01 18:29:09 I'm finding that it really doesn't matter who's president. Oct 01 18:29:27 Obama's still waging war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and he's still being aggressive against Iran. Oct 01 18:30:15 It's not that simple, really. Oct 01 18:30:37 nato is there too Oct 01 18:31:00 Specifically the unmanned-drone bombing in Pakistan. Oct 01 18:31:05 It's toeing the line. Oct 01 18:31:33 you can't really just stop all operations in middle east and hope for the best Oct 01 18:31:34 nato would be crushed if the US pulled out Oct 01 18:31:40 it's a massive mess for him Oct 01 18:31:42 thanks to bush Oct 01 18:31:52 bush left many messes Oct 01 18:32:06 well now that we've started this, gotta run :P Oct 01 18:32:16 not that i don't enjoy talking about how fucked up my country has become Oct 01 18:32:24 can i just move somewhere else for a while? T_T Oct 01 18:32:42 I'm not sure the "fucked up" part is all that new. Oct 01 18:32:47 I want N910 with this new ARM, http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARMCortex-A9_MPCore.html Oct 01 18:32:58 Anunakin: I want a pony. Oct 01 18:33:33 http://bitsandpieces.us/2008/11/07/i-guess-some-things-never-change/ <= great cartoon on cleaning up bush's mess Oct 01 18:33:53 zerojay:http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apony&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&client=firefox-a Oct 01 18:34:06 Anunakin, if you wait for the latest and greatest you will never have anything Oct 01 18:34:09 hahaha Oct 01 18:34:21 there is always something better around the corner Oct 01 18:34:30 i know people that even in the last weeks have got themselves n810s Oct 01 18:34:41 Anunakin: Ponyism, obviously! Oct 01 18:34:45 mainly because they are still kickass tools Oct 01 18:35:00 Guys, seriously, wait for the n900. Oct 01 18:35:13 I'm playing with it right now, it's an order of magnitude better. Oct 01 18:35:15 the n900 only supports one sim chip.. screw that Oct 01 18:35:41 lcuk: this new ARM, made a huge gap ... Oct 01 18:36:00 Anunakin: I want n910 with that as well! Oct 01 18:36:24 It has enough omph to do some wicked stuff! Oct 01 18:36:31 2GHz and dual core ARMlet... is very nice Oct 01 18:36:35 coldboot, i am the biggest n900 fan, i know implicitely what they are capable of - but if you want a cheap standard stable platform for something *now* the n810 is more than capable Oct 01 18:36:58 I have one N810... Oct 01 18:37:06 thats been the case since the dawn of computers Oct 01 18:37:07 unixSnob: Lol.. almost no phones support more than one. Oct 01 18:37:18 And need some way to buy a N900 Oct 01 18:37:25 3630 (die shrink of the one in n900) would of course make a nice slimmer device Oct 01 18:37:29 Aren't they being released very soon? Oct 01 18:37:54 Few weeks. Oct 01 18:38:03 konttori__, cool Oct 01 18:38:31 then again, not having that HUGE camera module would have made n900 already much slimmer Oct 01 18:38:47 (yeah, camera module is really the reason for the thickness) Oct 01 18:38:54 you have n900 undressing photos? Oct 01 18:38:59 if it was any thinner, you would cut yourself Oct 01 18:39:15 konttori__: keyboard Oct 01 18:39:30 Any knows the date of N900 on stores? Oct 01 18:39:42 the camera module is probably only 5-6mm deep Oct 01 18:39:47 There isn't one because Nokia does not do that. Oct 01 18:39:48 I worked it out, but forgot Oct 01 18:39:53 The n900 uses "MicroB" browser, based on Firefox. Oct 01 18:39:59 I'm testing to see if it works with extensions right now. Oct 01 18:39:59 umm... nope. But I did get today one final model (so, factory test device) - quite a lot have had those for a while, but for some reason applications framework forgot to order them. blah. Anyway, no more n00 in the movies ;) Oct 01 18:40:30 kb takes space as well. it's that and camera combined. Oct 01 18:40:33 Is it actually written on the bezel now? Oct 01 18:40:37 n00 is cool tho Oct 01 18:40:49 N00 ? Oct 01 18:40:49 hehehe Oct 01 18:41:07 all models are marked that until they get a number. Oct 01 18:41:12 N00 needs a ARMv4 tel gcc tools Oct 01 18:41:14 You can install extensions, but the browser is missing so many things because it's been retooled to fit a small screen, that most extensions don't work. Oct 01 18:41:25 I learned the number only 2 or 3 weeks before launch Oct 01 18:41:33 But if you had an extension that did something non-interface associated, it would probably work. Oct 01 18:41:36 huahauhauhuahua Oct 01 18:41:40 (again, most of the people knew it for longer) Oct 01 18:42:44 writing web scraping code is rather dull Oct 01 18:42:51 * SpeedEvil nods. Oct 01 18:42:57 And _sTUPID_ Oct 01 18:42:59 * SpeedEvil sighs. Oct 01 18:43:07 pourquoi? Oct 01 18:43:20 digikey and tesco specifically here. Oct 01 18:43:37 Both to address brokenness in the lack of sort by price Oct 01 18:44:07 ah, well I'm doing Amazon, upcdatabase, checkupc.com, musicbrainz, and isbn.nu Oct 01 18:44:36 but sending a known EAN/ISBn then scraping the results pages Oct 01 18:44:48 s/n/N Oct 01 18:46:52 you've seen barcodepedia? Oct 01 18:47:18 yeah, already done that one actually Oct 01 18:47:44 big problem is finding barcodes that *do* appear so I can work out how to scrape Oct 01 18:47:51 not there, everywhere Oct 01 18:48:00 tho' Amazon is pretty good Oct 01 18:48:44 How does scratchbox manage to run arm programs without using the qemu processor emulator? Oct 01 18:49:01 qemu user level emulation Oct 01 18:49:04 I'm trying to figure this out, because under non-deterministic conditions, our build runs really fast or really slow on arm. Oct 01 18:49:06 i would love to get into web scraping.. so much good data out there presented in a lousy barely usable way Oct 01 18:49:16 coldboot: it does run arm Oct 01 18:49:37 what's a good language for web scraping/ Oct 01 18:49:52 unixSnob: just sit down with the source and strstr() fn and work out what order you should see stuff Oct 01 18:49:57 C ;) Oct 01 18:50:02 python, perhaps? Oct 01 18:50:10 Perl I imagine Oct 01 18:50:15 perl isnt Oct 01 18:50:18 lol Oct 01 18:50:19 I'm writing in C Oct 01 18:50:19 isnt it Oct 01 18:50:24 Stskeeps: What might it be doing when it's not using qemu user-level emulation? Oct 01 18:50:24 * SpeedEvil just uses awk. Oct 01 18:50:25 i was thinking perl would be the choice Oct 01 18:50:33 lcuk: ah, capitalisation Oct 01 18:50:37 but I wonder if any languages are designed for it Oct 01 18:50:44 * lcuk uses vb Oct 01 18:50:52 unixSnob: For web scraping? Oct 01 18:50:53 coldboot: probably using native binaries Oct 01 18:50:57 coldboot: yeah Oct 01 18:51:05 unixSnob: Definitely Perl, Ruby or Python. Oct 01 18:51:09 coldboot: some stuff is also provided by the host system, e.g. gcc Oct 01 18:51:11 awk -v RS='<' -v FS='["? Oct 01 18:51:11 Stay away from C and C++. Oct 01 18:51:13 unixSnob, anything that parses and gives a DOM back from the tagsoup Oct 01 18:51:15 ]or similar Oct 01 18:51:22 then you can process it using any recursive tree handling code Oct 01 18:51:27 coldboot: hey, not my fault I have to use C Oct 01 18:51:33 c is good Oct 01 18:51:35 lardman: What are you using it for? Oct 01 18:51:41 lcuk: not worth the effort I reckon Oct 01 18:51:41 lcuk: Not for string manipulation. Oct 01 18:51:42 web browsers are mostly written in c Oct 01 18:51:47 coldboot: barcode data parsing Oct 01 18:51:47 and they are good at parsing html Oct 01 18:52:06 lcuk: yeah, but if you only need a few tags, then strstr seems reasonable to me Oct 01 18:52:15 impractical Oct 01 18:52:19 because a few tags get changed Oct 01 18:52:22 and you abuse Oct 01 18:52:24 and insult Oct 01 18:52:25 well yeah Oct 01 18:52:25 and change Oct 01 18:52:26 and hack Oct 01 18:52:36 and eventually you have a 300tag superwarrior Oct 01 18:53:09 but i couldnt find a decent html to DOM parser when i looked Oct 01 18:53:16 i just wanted something like the XML dom tree Oct 01 18:54:06 lcuk: well ta the 300 tag point I pass on the maintenance and get someone else to update it ;) Oct 01 18:54:46 lcuk: firefox extension! :) Oct 01 18:54:58 :D Oct 01 18:55:03 SpeedEvil, lol Oct 01 18:55:12 a 300lb gorilla for a quick task :D Oct 01 18:55:19 lcuk, tagsoup? Oct 01 18:55:28 lardman, hes right, include microb or fennec as a dependency Oct 01 18:55:40 lol Oct 01 18:55:57 slonopotamus, tagsoup is the description used for regular website html Oct 01 18:56:06 its malformed and buggy - due to humans writing it Oct 01 18:56:21 lcuk, it's lib name... Oct 01 18:56:24 ahh Oct 01 18:56:30 * lcuk looks Oct 01 18:56:45 ouch, it's java Oct 01 18:56:47 but its written in java Oct 01 18:56:52 lol Oct 01 18:57:04 that might be why i didnt follow lead Oct 01 18:57:23 maybe wikipedia page lists other analogues? Oct 01 18:57:57 ~lart /www.checkupc.com for not actually finding any of lardman's EANs Oct 01 18:57:58 * infobot shoots /www.checkupc.com in the head for not actually finding any of lardman's EANs Oct 01 18:57:58 looks like not Oct 01 18:58:31 have to start thinking like an American, what would you upload to a barcode db? Oct 01 18:58:41 doughnuts? Oct 01 18:58:44 ;) Oct 01 18:58:44 lcuk, perl HTML::Parse Oct 01 18:59:05 lardman: "How to sue and win" Oct 01 18:59:18 slonopotamus, im with lardman on this Oct 01 18:59:19 i use c Oct 01 18:59:27 qwerty12_N810: :D Oct 01 18:59:40 lcuk, http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/phtml.htm lisp :) Oct 01 18:59:49 *facepalm* Oct 01 18:59:51 did anyone research hotels close to summit 2009? Are any known to have good tripadvisor ratings? Oct 01 19:00:00 lisp is one of the best multiproc languages tho isnt it Oct 01 19:00:10 ah of course, computer stuff Oct 01 19:00:36 unixSnob: I recommend looking at hotels in the De Wallen region; they charge hourly Oct 01 19:00:58 oh dear jebus and all the saints Oct 01 19:01:05 Yes dear? Oct 01 19:01:18 lcuk, what about tidy? Oct 01 19:01:18 1997 called, it wants its conference web page back http://www.computerforensicshow.com/ Oct 01 19:01:26 qwerty12_N810: I was only going to walk by with my wife :p Oct 01 19:01:41 I presume that will be the first night outing anyway, who's organising? Oct 01 19:01:55 qwerty12_N810: any around 5€ per hour? Oct 01 19:02:00 lardman: and ogling, by any chance? :) Oct 01 19:02:01 lol Oct 01 19:02:11 unixSnob: sure, but you get less service Oct 01 19:02:26 qwerty12_N810: Freshers' week this week, am actually feeling old now (and am married of course) Oct 01 19:02:46 qwerty12_N810: well i can forgo the blowjobs.. just bed and breakfast is all i need Oct 01 19:03:15 is all you get for 5 Euros these days?! Oct 01 19:03:35 I wonder what breakfast is like in a brothel... Oct 01 19:03:35 iirc break fast is ~12 Euros at the main hotel Oct 01 19:03:38 lardman: it's better than that hotel in the states that offers tents Oct 01 19:03:43 Maybe they have a recycling policy... ;) Oct 01 19:03:43 qwerty12_N810: don't! Oct 01 19:03:52 unixSnob: lol Oct 01 19:04:15 "Dear Sir, would you like our milkshake?" Oct 01 19:04:30 We used to go to a bar under a brothel in Baden Oct 01 19:04:48 the tent idea was a recession driven.. and supposedly people really do ask to have their bed removed for a discount, and replaced with a tent Oct 01 19:04:49 very interesting lighting, blue strip lights in the bar, red in the brothel Oct 01 19:05:04 and they recorked their chamapagne, so I was told Oct 01 19:05:18 i suppose to get the most bang for your buck, you'd get a tent and hire a hooker Oct 01 19:05:30 pun intended? :) Oct 01 19:05:56 yeah, someone to hook up the tent of course! Oct 01 19:06:07 lol Oct 01 19:06:07 yeah.. that's what i meant Oct 01 19:06:13 Interesting thanks. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=337406&postcount=105 Oct 01 19:06:24 They're going to have bad things happen if they don't support the N900 in Harmattan. Oct 01 19:06:33 You can only drop your users so many times before they simply stop coming back. Oct 01 19:06:49 Nice way to reveal things without violating nda... Oct 01 19:06:50 lcuk, http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ Oct 01 19:07:51 lcuk, cat foo.html | tydy -asxml should do the magic :) Oct 01 19:07:59 s/ty/ti/ Oct 01 19:07:59 slonopotamus meant: lcuk, cat foo.html | tidy -asxml should do the magic :) Oct 01 19:08:39 lcuk, it also has C api Oct 01 19:09:33 GeneralAntilles: well as Harmattan requires a 3D display, what is one to do? Oct 01 19:09:39 slonopotamus, ahhh Oct 01 19:09:39 GeneralAntilles: hopefully Mer will be sane at that point to take in harmattan technologies to a point where we don't care :P Oct 01 19:09:56 Sts: When will Mer be sane btw? Oct 01 19:09:57 so pushing a page through tidy cleans off the tagsoup and makes it parsable with standard XML parser? Oct 01 19:10:18 RST38h: when i regain my sanity.. but frankly we're moving in right direction against after everything got turned upside down for a while Oct 01 19:10:28 heh Oct 01 19:10:58 * Stskeeps plays with the new desktop Oct 01 19:12:53 lcuk, yep Oct 01 19:17:23 Stskeeps, playing with new computer or new Mer Desktop? Oct 01 19:17:43 desktop Oct 01 19:19:50 Hi Oct 01 19:21:10 why is a guy who doesn't make Maemo themes register a site called N900themes.com and then ask theme makers to move our themes to his site? Oct 01 19:21:18 adsense? Oct 01 19:21:32 Haha. Kicked. Your. Ass. zerojay. :P Oct 01 19:22:27 I tried to tell him I can count the number of theme makers on one hand there isn' enough themes to have a site dedicated to them Oct 01 19:22:49 GeneralAntilles: Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft. :) Oct 01 19:23:16 AndrewFBlack: He wants to make cash off of your stuff. Oct 01 19:23:28 * unixSnob just came accross a dutch-only hotel site.. the only english word on the page is "mice"... don't think I'll stay there Oct 01 19:23:50 well I better not see any of my themes end up on his site Oct 01 19:24:18 * lcuk gets back to business Oct 01 19:30:05 lcuk: wine? Oct 01 19:30:08 ;) Oct 01 19:30:31 after the day ive had - surgical spirit Oct 01 19:31:03 ive barely been still and spent most of the night unable to focus on screen Oct 01 19:31:58 steer clear of the meths, the purple dye doens't taste good ;) Oct 01 19:32:35 yeah Oct 01 19:44:51 moo wazd Oct 01 19:46:11 moo wazd Oct 01 19:47:38 Heya all, back at last) Oct 01 19:48:19 :) Oct 01 19:49:03 Tomorrow is the day?) Oct 01 19:49:12 for getting out of military? :P Oct 01 19:49:46 Hah, hope to finish it this year)) Oct 01 19:50:08 the day the military goes live with wazd designed rifles Oct 01 19:50:46 lcuk: hello kitty edition) Oct 01 19:51:11 lol knowing your style sense.. :P Oct 01 19:51:46 * unixSnob wonders if there are any good IV bars in amsterdam Oct 01 19:52:29 I'd suggest "Vandersexxx"))) Oct 01 19:52:50 wazd: Do you get a free T-Shirt? Oct 01 19:53:11 qwerty12_N810: sure :P Oct 01 19:53:25 hehe Oct 01 19:56:41 :P Oct 01 19:56:56 Start as you mean to go on :) Oct 01 19:58:50 moo? :P Oct 01 19:58:51 bacon? Oct 01 19:58:52 :P Oct 01 19:58:58 JamieBennett, if you are part northern, and part southern - does that make you *arghhh* a brummie? Oct 01 19:59:01 Stskeepz: I do my best to finish most parts of the theme today Oct 01 19:59:33 lcuk: Don't you dare say that! Remember I'm 6ft 4", 17 stone of ex-rugby player ! Oct 01 19:59:36 ;) Oct 01 19:59:53 wazd: k - no rush, i just need a basic theme by summit Oct 01 20:00:17 and coming to the summit :) Oct 01 20:00:21 Stskeepz: tough challenge without internets, device and theme maker) Oct 01 20:00:24 wazd: yeah Oct 01 20:00:24 haha Oct 01 20:00:55 hows things lcuk? Oct 01 20:01:04 wazd, shout if you need help - talk to andrew too Oct 01 20:01:18 JamieBennett, overwrought is one word :) Oct 01 20:01:28 wazd, I can put my current diablo theme on hold and help you if needed wazd Oct 01 20:01:41 astounded by the generosity of others. Oct 01 20:02:06 lcuk: maybe contract work to tied you over? I did 2 months of *spit* iphone development to "pay the bills" Oct 01 20:02:13 and remarkably privileged to be a member of such a decent community Oct 01 20:02:26 we shall see what comes Oct 01 20:02:34 AndrewFBlack: I'm not sure you can, since I'm almost offline Oct 01 20:02:41 ooh, do tell :) Oct 01 20:02:43 ive had a great many leads over hte last 24hours and know a lot of people to speak to Oct 01 20:02:51 PM of course ;) Oct 01 20:02:55 why are you offline? Oct 01 20:03:35 AndrewFBlack: moved to new appartments - no connection here Oct 01 20:04:03 wazd: run a cable from your old place Oct 01 20:04:08 wazd, red cross parcels! Oct 01 20:04:10 wazd, that sucks Oct 01 20:04:29 we will literally put a file into a cake for you Oct 01 20:05:02 qwerty12_N810: hmm, nice idea :) Oct 01 20:05:48 qwerty12_N810: but KGB will ask questions bout 10km cable :) Oct 01 20:06:04 Oh, that's simple: "Do not touch if you value your balls" :p Oct 01 20:07:33 "donttouchtheinternetimdownloadingporn" Oct 01 20:07:40 errr themes Oct 01 20:07:44 :D Oct 01 20:16:27 any news on n900 developer program?) I'm not cool enough to get it for free but my cellphone is dying( Oct 01 20:18:31 wadz: I'm looking to that too Oct 01 20:21:00 anyone have any idea where wireless network keys are stored on the tablet? Oct 01 20:21:20 GConf, look in /system/connectivity/ Oct 01 20:22:20 thanks qwerty12_N810 Oct 01 21:08:44 hallo! I think I fixed the theming problems in the drnoksnes startup screen in latest -devel, can anyone confirm for me? :) Oct 01 21:09:28 javis: Extras? Oct 01 21:09:46 -devel. Oct 01 21:09:51 a'ok Oct 01 21:11:25 javis: buttons look ok Oct 01 21:11:28 javispedro: play / restart look fine over here Oct 01 21:11:39 and the target framerate one? Oct 01 21:12:05 Not cut off (just about ;)) Oct 01 21:12:14 hehe, and I guess not weird either. Oct 01 21:12:16 kavis: also looks ok Oct 01 21:12:27 on the video it was shown a bit, hm, "shallow". Oct 01 21:12:29 The "game not started yet" bug is still there Oct 01 21:12:37 ah. Oct 01 21:12:42 But it is not yours Oct 01 21:12:46 makes me think about reviving maemo-games-startup. Oct 01 21:13:01 RST38h, qwerty12_N810: thanks! Oct 01 21:15:54 Off to sleep. VAX seems to be winning tonight. Oct 01 21:16:07 kick him to death! Oct 01 21:16:15 it's the only way to fix those computers. Oct 01 21:16:55 RST38h: The VAX will kill you in your sleep :\ Oct 01 21:16:59 oh, wow. lightscribe actually works in GNU/Linux. Oct 01 21:18:38 I don't think I've ever used LightScribe, but maybe that's because I subscribe to the theory that a few words on the particular DVD's case is enough :p Oct 01 21:19:09 you put dvds in cases? how quaint Oct 01 21:19:21 qwerty12_N810: what happens when one's too lazy to even search the cd marker pens? you end up being a fan of lightscribe ;) Oct 01 21:19:30 lightscribe is like dvd-dl, way more people have the drives than the discs Oct 01 21:20:02 well, not fair. you might as well end up not labeling discs. Oct 01 21:20:06 maybe if it did the scribing at the same time without the flip over and more waiting Oct 01 21:20:33 probably, cause it takes a whopping 25minutes for complex designs. but then, I'm not in a hurry. Oct 01 21:20:45 I don't label discs half the time, just move them from the blank spindle to the burnt spindle Oct 01 21:20:59 lol Oct 01 21:21:19 then label then when I'm looking for something Oct 01 21:21:46 also, properly lightscribed discs look cool to mortals Oct 01 21:22:25 also, properly lightscribed discs that are fully black look cool to emos Oct 01 21:22:37 need to build my nas to never have to use discs again Oct 01 21:22:51 lightscribed discs are a waste of money Oct 01 21:22:53 haha Oct 01 21:22:57 12 drives of awesomeness Oct 01 21:23:44 heh Oct 01 21:23:58 I still use optical media for archival purposes Oct 01 21:24:11 and hope to keep another decade doing that Oct 01 21:24:15 but who knows Oct 01 21:24:20 hdds are only twice the price Oct 01 21:24:31 "Porn I must watch in 10 years from now" Oct 01 21:24:56 Yeah. Oct 01 21:25:02 hey look, this porn has humans in, how quaint Oct 01 21:25:11 lol Oct 01 21:25:17 mavhc: actually, hdds are cheaper no matter how you look at them. Oct 01 21:25:22 I have repeatedly wondered how much actual unique content is on everyones PCs. Oct 01 21:25:36 I suspect a gig or ten max. Oct 01 21:25:52 SpeedEvil: totally true Oct 01 21:25:53 ten gigs of unique data on a someones pc? Oct 01 21:25:55 thats alot Oct 01 21:25:56 And not counting photo or video - probably under 10 meg for most Oct 01 21:25:59 true, I'm just building a 24TB torrent seeder Oct 01 21:26:01 yeah Oct 01 21:26:07 I was thinking alot less Oct 01 21:26:09 even with photos Oct 01 21:26:28 Well - a modern camera can create a _lot_ of bytes of crap nobody will look at again Oct 01 21:26:29 50GBs of photos, maybe 50GB of videos Oct 01 21:26:33 the keyword here is "most" Oct 01 21:26:45 true Oct 01 21:27:22 And I've also wondered about the total bytes generated. E.G. counting 24 series 1 episode 1 as - say - 3 gigabytes - nomatter how many thousands of different codecs it's been run through. Oct 01 21:27:40 Or how many millions of disks it's stored on. Oct 01 21:29:06 everyone md5hash your hdd sectors and send them to SpeedEvil Oct 01 21:29:39 md5 isn't secure anyway Oct 01 21:30:00 why do we need security? Oct 01 21:30:07 So isn't sending your HDD sectors to a random person :p Oct 01 21:30:29 Always fear the man with too much time on his hands. Oct 01 21:30:38 mavhc: that also doesn't quite cover it - it would count the thousands of different encodings and bit-errors as thousands of files, not one. Oct 01 21:30:42 coldboot: because he can throw clocks at you. Oct 01 21:31:38 SpeedEvil: Keep your day job. Oct 01 21:32:28 SpeedEvil: does it count as unique if I replicate it? Oct 01 21:33:14 Tadthebuilder: my photos dir is 8.1 GB alone Oct 01 21:33:31 luke-jr: I was meaning truly original content. If you use mplayer to transcode it - for example - the maximum new data you're creating is the mplayer command line Oct 01 21:33:39 how do you install a .install in scratchbox? Oct 01 21:34:38 redondos: if it's diablo sbox you may even boot hildon application manager. Oct 01 21:34:49 but you can also look at the .install file and install "manually". Oct 01 21:35:16 how do i install it manually? Oct 01 21:35:34 redondos: the .install file will say the Repository URL and the package name Oct 01 21:35:38 it's a text file. Oct 01 21:35:40 where can i read about booting hildon app manager? Oct 01 21:36:48 redondos: read in the manual the part about running the GUI (search for "af-sb-init.sh") Oct 01 21:37:43 i'm running the gui, but the app manager doesn't have any catalogues Oct 01 21:37:55 are you in diablo or fremantle? Oct 01 21:38:01 I'm just trying to understand how it all fits in Oct 01 21:38:02 fremantle Oct 01 21:38:08 no good? Oct 01 21:38:31 on fremantle you'll have to do "manual install", I don't think the app mgr can install from a local .install (plz correct me ;) ) Oct 01 21:38:45 fair enough Oct 01 21:38:50 thanks, pedro Oct 01 21:39:54 what kind of incompatibilities are there between all the maemo releases? Oct 01 21:40:09 what can i expect if i were to install on fremantle a package built for bora Oct 01 21:40:19 s/$/?/ Oct 01 21:40:46 * frals is most pleased with activity in the mms-thread while he was having beers at the pub.. good day after all :) Oct 01 21:41:15 * zerojay yawns. Oct 01 21:41:19 redondos: unless it's a command line app, a lot of incompatibilities. Oct 01 21:41:30 gtk bumped, hildon bumped, ... long list. Oct 01 21:41:57 right Oct 01 21:42:21 but hey, I think gtk has a good backwarsd compatibility record. Oct 01 21:42:32 it'll look horrible, but may work. Oct 01 21:50:29 how can I initialize the audio system in scratchbox/fremantle? Oct 01 21:51:25 Not sure if it's there or not, but it's pulseaudio, if that helps any. Oct 01 21:51:54 pulseaudio doesn't start Oct 01 21:52:00 E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-sink-volume" (argument: "sink_name=sink.hw0 mixer_load=HP_DAC,Headphone,Earphone mixer=HP_DAC device=hw:0"): initialization failed. Oct 01 21:54:32 * javispedro never got the fremantle sdk audio to work Oct 01 21:57:22 redondos: hmmh, you'd need a bind-mounted proc, sys and dev Oct 01 21:58:10 AStorm: do you know if there may be a way to share the pa socket? Oct 01 21:58:14 where is it? Oct 01 21:58:45 (I mean, in diablo sbox I used to just let it use the /tmp/.esd/socket with proper $AUTH) Oct 01 22:00:21 javispedro: yes, somewhere like there Oct 01 22:00:29 you need to copy it from your main system Oct 01 22:00:32 but... why do that? Oct 01 22:00:36 use pulse's TCP. Oct 01 22:00:40 much less fuss Oct 01 22:03:58 i though a pulse daemon can't output to another pulse daemon Oct 01 22:07:44 AStorm: those are there Oct 01 22:09:42 javispedro: you thought wrong Oct 01 22:10:18 ircpassword Oct 01 22:10:32 aakashd: ircfail Oct 01 22:10:36 :( Oct 01 22:10:52 quick hax him ;P Oct 01 22:11:33 heh Oct 01 22:49:24 hi Oct 01 23:08:16 zerojay: pong Oct 01 23:17:33 zerojay: Going to bed, so will re-pong in the am Oct 02 00:07:24 javispedro - wonder if emu could play without screen updates while not having focus Oct 02 00:07:42 could get down to < 50 % cpu phps Oct 02 00:08:49 Ppupnik: need vsync emulated still Oct 02 00:08:54 but the rest, not. Oct 02 00:09:09 not easy though to resync after refocusing Oct 02 00:11:25 forget it Oct 02 00:11:42 that was an unfortunate incident Oct 02 00:12:24 and i wish wed had better info on the n8x0 limitations, earlier Oct 02 00:12:42 "don't bother with that" Oct 02 00:13:15 dq6 music rules Oct 02 00:27:25 its quiet tonight Oct 02 00:27:56 Sure is. Oct 02 00:29:47 good nite Oct 02 00:30:07 n900 n900 woo! Oct 02 00:30:14 ? Oct 02 00:30:24 Extras-devel appears to be down. :/ Oct 02 00:31:13 well that unsatisfactory Oct 02 00:31:17 anyone ever used iness? Oct 02 00:31:20 ines* Oct 02 00:31:43 ya Oct 02 00:31:51 did you have any stability issues with it? Oct 02 00:32:11 no Oct 02 00:32:20 u? Oct 02 00:32:22 yeah Oct 02 00:32:30 must be my n800 Oct 02 00:32:30 ... Oct 02 00:32:34 I thought i had heard it was stable Oct 02 00:32:41 I just save state every couple of minutes...haha Oct 02 00:32:55 it crashes randomly every ten or so minutes, but I can start it right up and its fine Oct 02 00:33:10 Should be stable. Oct 02 00:33:29 maybe I should reflash.... Oct 02 00:33:38 any specific game Oct 02 00:33:45 or all Oct 02 00:34:10 i only have one rom Oct 02 00:34:12 haha Oct 02 00:34:17 lol Oct 02 00:34:21 so probably just that game...maybe I should try a different game first Oct 02 00:34:23 its final fantasy one Oct 02 00:34:29 that might be why you experience glitch and someone else doesnt Oct 02 00:34:53 Tadthebuilder: Is it verified? Oct 02 00:35:10 verified? Oct 02 00:35:36 Yes, is the ROM a verified perfect unchanged, uncorrupted dump? Oct 02 00:36:03 ah I guess I dont have anyway of knowing. I do own the game but not the hardware to dump it, so I must confess I downloaded it from some site on the internet Oct 02 00:36:16 Does anybody know if Maemo 6 is likely to be available for the N900? I know the N900 is not out yet, and Maemo 6 is not even finished, but I was wonering if anybody knew what the plans for Maemo 6 were. Oct 02 00:36:23 Might be a problem with the ROM then. Oct 02 00:36:38 Jason404: No one knows, but that's the plan as far as we know. Oct 02 00:36:41 yeah if its been stable for everyone else Oct 02 00:36:47 zerojay: ok thanks Oct 02 00:36:51 would any of the hardware buttons cause it to crash Oct 02 00:36:55 I could of it one of them on accident Oct 02 00:36:59 repeatedly Oct 02 00:37:04 im a bit clumsy Oct 02 00:40:25 lcuk any promising leads on a job man? Oct 02 00:42:05 yes, i have been surveying the landscape i think i can see a number of possible directions and places i could see myself Oct 02 00:42:22 glad to here it Oct 02 00:44:24 (am I the only one who thinks that application manager should be a utility rather than a setting?) Oct 02 00:45:00 I think you're taking the names too literally. ;) Oct 02 00:45:20 maybe Oct 02 00:45:40 but I always look for it under utilities first...ive had n800 for two years Oct 02 00:45:46 you think I would know by now. Oct 02 00:47:00 at least dq6 keeps me chilled Oct 02 00:47:27 /quit Oct 02 00:47:39 cutting off internet is a good idea. focuses the mind Oct 02 00:50:17 you know whats awesome Oct 02 00:50:32 shakespearian english in a video game translated poorly from japanese Oct 02 00:52:01 Ppupnik, good idea. Oct 02 00:52:08 good night folks \o Oct 02 00:52:32 night Oct 02 00:52:43 okay I have determined it was the Rom... Oct 02 00:52:52 a different game is working fine Oct 02 00:53:08 I should of thought of that...there was just no other game I wanted to play. Oct 02 00:54:47 oh I just wanted to make my services known to be available though it probably wont help much now... Oct 02 00:54:54 haha Oct 02 00:55:07 I am willing to be a beta tester for any software for the n800 Oct 02 00:55:27 and if I ever get an n900 I probably would not use it as a phone so If I get one I could do it then too. Oct 02 00:56:40 How does using it as a phone stop you from testing software on the N900? Oct 02 00:57:04 well Oct 02 00:57:08 if its your primary phone Oct 02 00:57:16 youd probably be more worried about making it unstable Oct 02 00:57:23 atleast I would Oct 02 00:57:24 haha Oct 02 00:57:34 (should that be instable...) Oct 02 00:57:46 atleast that was my reasoning Oct 02 00:57:48 I could be wrong though Oct 02 00:58:34 I figured it out Oct 02 00:58:45 the back button on the hardware Oct 02 00:58:49 causes the program to exit... Oct 02 00:58:58 and I somtimes hit it when I mean to hit the down arrow Oct 02 00:59:29 does my reasoning make sense zerojay? Oct 02 00:59:39 I suppose. Oct 02 00:59:58 But because it's Linux, anything being unstable should be relatively localized. Oct 02 01:00:17 App crashes, not the whole thing. Oct 02 01:00:39 But yeah.. I guess if you keep all sorts of important stuff, sure. Oct 02 01:01:23 ah I see your point there Oct 02 01:01:34 just back it up I suppose Oct 02 01:01:35 anyway there is not much likelihood of me getting an n900 anytime soon any way Oct 02 01:01:52 maybe when the n910 is out and I can get the n900 used for 200 bucks Oct 02 01:02:38 bobbyd: Exactly. Oct 02 01:03:08 Tadthebuilder: I'm getting one at launch Oct 02 01:03:21 I dont have the money Oct 02 01:03:37 Tadthebuilder: sell stuff on ebay! Oct 02 01:03:56 heh, I dont have enough things to sell, except for maybe my computer moniter...but I need that Oct 02 01:04:05 everything I own can fit in my 1996 monte carlo Oct 02 01:04:18 I just got out of graduate school Oct 02 01:04:24 and just got a job making not much money at all Oct 02 01:04:36 and Im getting married and trying to buy a house...so no 600 bucks for a n900 Oct 02 01:04:41 I know that feeling. Oct 02 01:04:46 thats reality Oct 02 01:04:50 tis true Oct 02 01:04:54 and I dont mean to complain Oct 02 01:05:01 I was just explaining why I couldnt really sell anything Oct 02 01:05:02 :) Oct 02 01:05:04 I love my job Oct 02 01:05:06 thats a plus Oct 02 01:05:09 and I have an n800 Oct 02 01:05:12 and it is still awesome Oct 02 01:05:16 What do you do? Oct 02 01:05:32 Im a Youth Pastor/minister Oct 02 01:05:41 Ah. Oct 02 01:05:55 I make videogames. Oct 02 01:06:09 * Ppupnik senses a marketing opportunity Oct 02 01:06:12 thats a cool job Oct 02 01:06:14 haha Oct 02 01:06:18 Sure is. Oct 02 01:06:32 might I ask what platform? Oct 02 01:06:33 Trying to get Unity3d to port to N900 so we can port some of our games to N900. Oct 02 01:06:41 ah okay Oct 02 01:06:47 well thats pretty cool. Oct 02 01:07:06 Whatever works. Next gen consoles, iPhone, DS... all cellular phones previously. Oct 02 01:07:06 zerojay: you mean you're trying to port it yourself, or trying to get them to do a port? Oct 02 01:07:28 or asking them Ii should say Oct 02 01:07:38 bobbyd: Unity3D is a full middleware solution for iPhone development. I'm not porting it. :) Oct 02 01:07:38 church retreats were the best Oct 02 01:07:59 zerojay: right, so you're asking for a port Oct 02 01:08:01 bobbyd: Asking them to port, yes. Oct 02 01:08:17 zerojay: what's the response so far? Oct 02 01:08:43 bobbyd: "We're planning on porting to other platforms" Oct 02 01:09:01 heh Oct 02 01:09:06 what dev company do you work for? Oct 02 01:09:09 I suppose it's chicken and egg Oct 02 01:09:52 Tadthebuilder: Ubisoft. Oct 02 01:09:58 ah okay Oct 02 01:10:10 are their any concerns with copy protection on the n900? Oct 02 01:10:33 (look on page 35 of manual line 4 word 6 ) Oct 02 01:10:51 The lack thereof... I'm sure there would be, but until Unity is ported, we're not even worrying about that yet. Oct 02 01:11:11 Oct 02 01:11:14 the manual has been released? Oct 02 01:11:22 the manual has been released Oct 02 01:11:26 but that was supposed to be aj oke Oct 02 01:11:30 the manual has been released! Oct 02 01:11:30 a copy protection joke Oct 02 01:11:33 old dos games Oct 02 01:11:39 ooh Oct 02 01:11:40 right Oct 02 01:11:45 would have you look up in the manual and insert the word to prove you bought the game Oct 02 01:11:45 An unfinished version of the manual.. plenty of errors and problems with it. Oct 02 01:11:46 I completely missed that Oct 02 01:11:49 yep Oct 02 01:11:58 are we sure its unfinished or just done poorly? Oct 02 01:11:59 does it have the word "suckers" in it? Oct 02 01:12:12 Tadthebuilder: Until it gets printed, unfinished. Oct 02 01:12:13 (its definitely not standard English) Oct 02 01:12:18 true that would make sense Oct 02 01:12:27 darn those finns Oct 02 01:12:30 It's Finnglish. Community's already working on fixing it. Oct 02 01:12:50 Don't take everything in it as gospel. Oct 02 01:12:57 No pun intended. Oct 02 01:12:58 Its not as bad as all your base are belong to us Oct 02 01:13:01 but its got some problems Oct 02 01:14:05 oh does anyone else think the standard chess game that comes with maemo impossible? Oct 02 01:14:08 exciting stuff zerojay, didnt know you were in with unity3d Oct 02 01:14:26 Tadthebuilder: it's hard, yes Oct 02 01:14:26 Ppupnik: I'm not in with them. :) Oct 02 01:14:29 it's gnuchess Oct 02 01:14:31 ok Oct 02 01:14:35 thats about the quality of the english from the manual Oct 02 01:14:49 something like ~2000 ELO on lowest difficulty Oct 02 01:15:02 i feel like a networked game of something Oct 02 01:15:07 it can be beaten, but it's hard Oct 02 01:15:21 zerojay: does ubisoft have a problem with you being involved in open source development on the side? Oct 02 01:15:56 Tadthebuilder: it's fairly so-so at long-term planning at lower difficulties Oct 02 01:16:00 hmmmmm Oct 02 01:16:04 plays very well in the openings Oct 02 01:16:08 what's this I see Oct 02 01:16:09 ah okay Oct 02 01:16:15 I need to work on my chess skills Oct 02 01:16:18 especially openings Oct 02 01:16:46 on low diff, endings can be forced often to a draw Oct 02 01:16:54 not so on medium and higher Oct 02 01:17:59 I take it your good at chess? or involved in the development... Oct 02 01:18:37 or both Oct 02 01:19:12 I'm... ok at chess Oct 02 01:19:25 as in, I did enter some low-key tournaments Oct 02 01:19:40 I can beat that app at low about 40% of the time Oct 02 01:19:42 ah okay Oct 02 01:20:05 well that gives me a pretty good basis from which to understand the difficult Oct 02 01:20:07 y Oct 02 01:20:17 is it hard to make a computer playing convincely poorly in chess? Oct 02 01:20:32 (for instance is the only way to make it play stupid to make it make obvious mistakes) Oct 02 01:20:45 no, not really Oct 02 01:20:59 make it search less of the space Oct 02 01:21:04 modify min-max thresholds Oct 02 01:21:13 do some random misses Oct 02 01:21:13 ah okay Oct 02 01:21:21 gnuchess doesn't do any of those Oct 02 01:21:29 that would explain it then Oct 02 01:21:34 it only has search depth and hash table size Oct 02 01:21:42 as tunables Oct 02 01:21:47 ah Oct 02 01:22:00 well someone needs to fork it or make a new open source chess game that is easier Oct 02 01:22:05 hehe Oct 02 01:22:12 Im never gonna get any better playing against something I can never beat Oct 02 01:22:14 well Oct 02 01:22:17 just try gnuchess v4 Oct 02 01:22:20 it was fairly weaker Oct 02 01:22:28 note that it's old code Oct 02 01:22:31 might need updates. Oct 02 01:22:31 mostly cause I got frustrated and stopped trying after I kept losing Oct 02 01:22:51 is there a KDE equivalent that is easier I wonder Oct 02 01:23:13 * Ppupnik travels north to the well of dreams Oct 02 01:23:26 Tadthebuilder: heh, hmm Oct 02 01:23:36 maybe you could try old Sjeng. Oct 02 01:23:37 im confused Oct 02 01:23:44 by his comment of traveling to the well of dreams Oct 02 01:23:46 or old GNU chess Oct 02 01:23:47 is that synonymous with bed? Oct 02 01:23:58 Tadthebuilder: he said he's going to sleep, duh Oct 02 01:23:59 tad, game on drnoksnes Oct 02 01:24:08 i having issues flashing under ubuntu; I have an n810 I threw Mer on awhile back; I'm trying to reflash Diablo back on it to give to a pal, but I'm getting "device or resource busy" errors. Oct 02 01:24:08 dont let kids see drnoksnes Oct 02 01:24:20 how is drnoksnes running? Oct 02 01:24:25 is it close to full spead? Oct 02 01:24:28 no Oct 02 01:24:29 hehe Oct 02 01:24:36 is it playable? Oct 02 01:24:36 fast enough Oct 02 01:24:40 very Oct 02 01:24:44 like for final fantasy three/siz Oct 02 01:24:46 six* Oct 02 01:24:50 yup Oct 02 01:24:53 harhar Oct 02 01:24:56 is frame rate skippable? Oct 02 01:25:00 yes Oct 02 01:25:08 are you the developer? Oct 02 01:25:10 Tadthebuilder: really, try old gnuchess Oct 02 01:25:14 you should be able to beat it Oct 02 01:25:17 Ill see if I could find it Oct 02 01:25:31 i play it while also running xchat, tear browser and 3 ssh xterms, Tad Oct 02 01:25:42 (myself, I could fight with some of our local 1st chess class players Oct 02 01:25:43 wow Oct 02 01:26:01 are you the developer of it? Oct 02 01:26:12 no , javispedro ported it Oct 02 01:26:17 I just searched add remove programs on my ubuntu bxo Oct 02 01:26:19 ah okay Oct 02 01:26:25 and found five different chess games Oct 02 01:26:30 maybe one of them is not impossible Oct 02 01:26:38 or they could be the same chess game with different skins haha Oct 02 01:26:52 also everybody try qtnx - nomachine nx client - kicks vnc butt!! Oct 02 01:27:02 Tadthebuilder: real chess don't have skins ;p Oct 02 01:27:10 they're stdio-based Oct 02 01:27:12 and use UIs Oct 02 01:27:19 thats what I meant Oct 02 01:27:23 different appearances Oct 02 01:27:24 heh. Oct 02 01:27:25 looks different Oct 02 01:27:32 shouldn't be hard. Oct 02 01:27:41 one is gnome chess Oct 02 01:27:46 the other is gnome chess 3d Oct 02 01:27:55 I want battlechess with politicians as figurines Oct 02 01:28:01 oh pychess Oct 02 01:28:03 is different Oct 02 01:28:11 So Obama verses Kim Jong? Oct 02 01:28:20 or Oct 02 01:28:30 in nation? Oct 02 01:28:42 Brown vs I dont know any other politicians name in the uk... Oct 02 01:29:10 yeah whole cabinets Oct 02 01:29:28 lame idea nm Oct 02 01:29:56 haha Oct 02 01:30:03 drnoksnes sound is soooooo good Oct 02 01:30:03 historical ones might be good though Oct 02 01:30:31 mhm Oct 02 01:30:46 remember milton bradley "stratego"? Oct 02 01:30:52 yes Oct 02 01:30:54 I love that game Oct 02 01:31:01 we need to get that ofr the ITT's Oct 02 01:31:21 online 2p Oct 02 01:31:26 yes exactly Oct 02 01:31:31 if you make it ill play it Oct 02 01:32:07 well have to call it something different Oct 02 01:32:23 like "hide the flag and kill the other team with your bomb but if they get your flag you lose" Oct 02 01:32:30 very succinct Oct 02 01:32:43 i am looking in google Oct 02 01:32:50 just need a website Oct 02 01:32:51 edit:with your bombs and people with a higher number but if they get your flag you lose. Oct 02 01:32:54 * AStorm got worse in chess from lack of practice Oct 02 01:32:59 ;P Oct 02 01:33:02 that does happen Oct 02 01:33:18 sorry these trash sites are too heavy for tablet Oct 02 01:33:26 as in, I can't deliver a beating on 1st class players anymore Oct 02 01:33:32 it's an even match Oct 02 01:33:36 nice Oct 02 01:33:56 how do you think about chess Oct 02 01:34:19 well get to work ppupnik Oct 02 01:34:24 code it Oct 02 01:34:25 haha Oct 02 01:34:30 :) Oct 02 01:34:43 Ppupnik: you can't think about chess Oct 02 01:34:50 I think about strategy Oct 02 01:35:02 but my... memory is not as good as some Oct 02 01:35:18 I tend to forget previous sequences and that sometimes leads to my bane Oct 02 01:35:26 of a waste of a move. losing initiative Oct 02 01:35:31 ill play you if you promise to be blind folded haha Oct 02 01:35:56 I can't do blind-fold chess Oct 02 01:36:01 just... can't ;p Oct 02 01:36:21 I can do quick chess and switch chess Oct 02 01:36:36 do you think you could play against Death? Oct 02 01:36:37 and multiple Oct 02 01:36:41 ? Oct 02 01:36:45 as in? Oct 02 01:36:55 Its an opening scene to a movie Oct 02 01:36:58 I wouldn't try, I'd lose ;p Oct 02 01:36:58 sweedish film Oct 02 01:37:00 seventh seal Oct 02 01:37:07 directed by igmar birgman Oct 02 01:37:11 (not sure about the spelling) Oct 02 01:37:19 SPoofed by a kids cartoon called Animaniacs Oct 02 01:37:20 at best, I could draw (seeing that game) Oct 02 01:37:27 Famously riffed in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. Oct 02 01:37:34 and Animaniacs Oct 02 01:37:35 I think it's been some grandmaster game Oct 02 01:37:39 rendered there Oct 02 01:37:58 you have lost me Astorm Oct 02 01:45:02 ~Bannorzz received the Spirit Crown!~ Oct 02 01:45:30 im very excited Oct 02 01:45:35 have no idea what your talking about Oct 02 01:45:38 but very excited for you Oct 02 01:47:08 you know what was a decent idea but a horrible implementation? Oct 02 01:47:11 Songbird Oct 02 01:47:22 the music player build on mozilla Oct 02 01:48:45 no idea Oct 02 01:49:06 why people want to add functions to browsers Oct 02 01:49:29 song bird does not try to add function to browsers Oct 02 01:49:38 it makes it a specific browser for something Oct 02 01:49:40 it's like the inverse Oct 02 01:49:44 I dont want a media browser Oct 02 01:49:48 they want to reduce a browser to a media player Oct 02 01:49:53 I want a browser, that happens to be able to handle media Oct 02 01:49:57 good effort, but not that good execution Oct 02 01:50:13 if I wanted a heavey audio player id be using Itunes Oct 02 01:50:17 but I want a light audio player Oct 02 01:50:30 (because I have a horrible computer....512 megs of ram...) Oct 02 01:50:35 so I want my audio player to be barely noticeable Oct 02 01:50:41 xmms to the rescue Oct 02 01:51:45 kind of interferes with matchbox Oct 02 01:52:00 but its great Oct 02 01:57:10 I definitly just forgot my IRC program was a firefox plugin when i restarted my browser Oct 02 01:57:23 lol Oct 02 01:57:30 heh xD Oct 02 01:58:48 you know you can get xmms on n800 Tad? Oct 02 01:59:01 kind of putzy install Oct 02 01:59:31 well Oct 02 01:59:33 xmms Oct 02 01:59:39 it isnt important Oct 02 01:59:42 on n800 Oct 02 01:59:46 I used it on my desktop Oct 02 01:59:51 because I have an underpowerd machine Oct 02 01:59:59 and I like to multitask Oct 02 02:00:19 though the n800 is capable of multitasking I dont really surf the internet with 15 tabs open while listening to music Oct 02 02:00:22 and playing a game Oct 02 02:01:25 I really should change my surfing habbits Oct 02 02:01:30 I crash my browser on a regular basis Oct 02 02:01:45 your not the only one xD Oct 02 02:02:07 yeah but my comp cannot handle it ... Oct 02 02:02:08 Tadthebuilder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chess_openings Oct 02 02:02:11 learn some Oct 02 02:02:14 I wish I could buy a bunch more ram Oct 02 02:02:21 it's hard to learn these from book all at once (or wiki) Oct 02 02:02:24 im gonna book mark that Oct 02 02:02:25 it needs actual play Oct 02 02:02:26 how much do you have? Oct 02 02:02:34 its getting late Oct 02 02:02:36 I wont remember much Oct 02 02:02:38 512 megs Oct 02 02:02:45 eew Oct 02 02:02:52 yeah Oct 02 02:02:58 3 gig single core processor Oct 02 02:03:09 and its ddr not ddr2 ram so it costs more Oct 02 02:03:26 that´s too bad :( Oct 02 02:03:32 yeah Oct 02 02:03:33 its okay Oct 02 02:03:35 I function Oct 02 02:03:38 ;) Oct 02 02:03:52 I also have a laptop Oct 02 02:03:56 whose specs are even worse Oct 02 02:04:02 but sometiems I multitask by using both at the same time Oct 02 02:04:04 one running musi Oct 02 02:04:06 c Oct 02 02:04:09 and the other running the webbrowser Oct 02 02:04:11 haha Oct 02 02:04:30 but I hate heavy flash sites Oct 02 02:04:39 they bring me to standstill Oct 02 02:04:52 anyway Oct 02 02:04:54 I gotta go Oct 02 02:05:01 have a nice night every body Oct 02 02:05:06 ill work on my chess I promise haha Oct 02 02:05:07 bye Oct 02 02:05:22 * b-man16 usally has 2-3 (virtual machines) running with the web browser open to 20 tabs while watching videos and chatting xD Oct 02 02:05:33 c ya Oct 02 02:05:49 Tadthebuilder, Flashblock. Oct 02 02:06:43 Tadthebuilder, adblock is good too Oct 02 02:07:18 does your PC max out above 512mb? will it take PC3200? Oct 02 02:08:33 I'm staring at 2x512 OZ PC3200 DIMMs I paid $300 for...just collecting dust Oct 02 02:08:40 er, OCZ Oct 02 02:14:42 1614 user RW 191M 1 91.4154.3 tear Oct 02 02:15:09 pricey Oct 02 02:15:18 Tadthebuilder: So long as I'm not programming - all programming I do is owned by Ubisoft regardless - they don't mind. Oct 02 02:15:52 Back in 2002 for Platinum series, it was common. Would I pay that much for ram again? no Oct 02 02:16:25 zerojay, wonder when silly employment clauses like that will finally go. Oct 02 02:16:53 GeneralAntilles: Like 1 year non-complete clauses? Oct 02 02:17:36 Honestly, in my portion of the company, the clauses are very rarely enforced, even if you go to a competitor. Oct 02 02:18:03 And my boss is very friendly to open source in general anyways and she's quite familiar with Linux command lines herself (to my surprise). Oct 02 02:27:40 damm Oct 02 02:27:48 I shouldn't read chess portion of the wiki Oct 02 02:27:52 it's too good Oct 02 02:27:59 heck, I might improve ;p Oct 02 02:48:57 hey Oct 02 02:49:02 to the person Oct 02 02:49:06 asking about my ram Oct 02 02:49:16 honestly im not sure what type of ram it woudl be Oct 02 02:49:33 I know the current ram is ddr, not ddr2 Oct 02 02:49:39 and I have adblock Oct 02 02:49:42 which does help Oct 02 02:49:58 but Flashblock would just help my computer no go to a crawl I would still hate flash heavey sites Oct 02 02:50:00 haha Oct 02 02:50:03 I just would not be able to see them Oct 02 02:50:19 selectively enable flash regions Oct 02 02:50:32 that is an option Oct 02 02:50:43 someone wants to help me install mer ? Oct 02 02:50:46 the processor was really nice when I got it Oct 02 02:50:47 .. Oct 02 02:50:54 3 gig processor with Hyper Threading Oct 02 02:51:01 oh yeah Oct 02 02:51:04 disco_stu, see the wiki guide? Oct 02 02:51:04 thats where its at Oct 02 02:51:06 Pentium 4? ;) Oct 02 02:51:11 yep Oct 02 02:51:17 . . . was never "nice. :P Oct 02 02:51:22 well Oct 02 02:51:26 let me change that to expensive Oct 02 02:51:27 haha Oct 02 02:51:31 Hehe Oct 02 02:51:35 GeneralAntilles, who wrote that ? a cluster of monkeys with typewritters ? Oct 02 02:51:40 You can build a nice Core 2 machine for about $300 these days. Oct 02 02:51:45 yeah Oct 02 02:51:47 disco_stu, programmers. Oct 02 02:51:48 Ive been looking into it Oct 02 02:51:52 disco_stu, but the steps are accurate. Oct 02 02:51:58 GeneralAntilles, lazy ones Oct 02 02:52:01 but I have too many expenses right now to put 300 into a new machine Oct 02 02:52:14 disco_stu, honestly, though, it's not worth the time yet. Oct 02 02:52:17 Still not day-to-day usable. Oct 02 02:52:18 (buying a house, getting married etc) Oct 02 02:52:29 GeneralAntilles, i'll wait then Oct 02 02:52:33 Tadthebuilder, just as well, the i5/i3 stuff should be cheap next year. Oct 02 02:52:53 Tadthebuilder, which'll be cheaper in the long run anyway since the powersaving is a lot better. Oct 02 02:53:00 thats good to kjnow Oct 02 02:53:03 want to save on power Oct 02 02:53:17 ill be using enough of that as it is in heating and cooling my almost a hundred year old house Oct 02 02:53:30 Hehe Oct 02 02:53:33 Been there. Done that. Oct 02 02:53:49 Im getting married in sixteen days Oct 02 02:53:59 congrats! Oct 02 02:54:00 and I have not closed on the house yet do to a zoning issue Oct 02 02:54:02 Not sure what's worse. An old house with central heat/air and no insulation or a newer apartment with insulation and window units. Oct 02 02:54:05 but it looks like we are moving forward Oct 02 02:54:32 well, This house has been updated a bit Oct 02 02:54:37 so its actually seems somewhat insulated Oct 02 02:54:39 haha Oct 02 02:54:44 thanks Oct 02 02:54:47 mine aint Oct 02 02:54:53 hey is the person that was talking to me about ram still in here? Oct 02 02:54:54 "Updated" is really hit or miss on old houses. Oct 02 02:55:01 its true Oct 02 02:55:07 this house is really cheap Oct 02 02:55:12 and im going to resell it commercially Oct 02 02:55:13 nice timing Oct 02 02:55:21 maybe Oct 02 02:55:24 I hate it when yuppies move into an antique, replace all of the original floors with synthetic shit, put in aluminum windows and plastic siding. :\ Oct 02 02:55:24 since its zones commercial Oct 02 02:55:33 haha Oct 02 02:55:47 sounds good Oct 02 02:55:57 Dontcha guys just love it when some really misinformed people assume things to be fact? I sure do. :) Oct 02 02:55:58 2800 square foot house Oct 02 02:56:10 zerojay, hehe. Oct 02 02:56:11 what do you mean by that? Oct 02 02:56:15 zerojay, Talk? ;) Oct 02 02:57:40 GeneralAntilles: As always. Oct 02 02:57:50 One person in particular. Oct 02 02:58:02 zerojay, there's always one. Oct 02 02:58:13 Seems like when one finally gets educated or leaves another pops up to take their place. Oct 02 02:58:23 "what a clusterfuck summit is... they scheduled it early so no one will have their n900s... i think I'm gonna cancel..." lol Oct 02 02:59:07 i should work on my talk for the summit Oct 02 02:59:37 Damn straight you should. Oct 02 02:59:44 where is the summit ? usa ? europe ? Oct 02 02:59:49 amsterdam Oct 02 02:59:53 everyone is going to be high.... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 02 02:59:56 2009