**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 03 02:59:57 2009 Oct 03 03:36:58 Seriously, who is DDoSing http://maemo.org? Oct 03 03:38:03 works for me Oct 03 03:39:57 GeneralAntilles, you just got it DDoS'ed by asking that Oct 03 04:57:32 N900 will have a stylus??? Oct 03 04:57:41 yes!!! Oct 03 04:57:51 thank god i have an n810 Oct 03 04:57:53 Thank god... Oct 03 04:57:56 i love this thing Oct 03 04:58:13 although i am anxious for my touchbook Oct 03 04:58:26 MaceN8x0, yeah, it was really cool of god to give it to you, handing it down through the clouds and all Oct 03 04:58:51 :) Oct 03 04:59:02 no Oct 03 04:59:05 that's the touchbook Oct 03 04:59:23 i got the n810 from amazon for 240$ Oct 03 04:59:37 that was the initial price? Oct 03 04:59:41 which is odd because ppl are selling them for 400+ now for some reason Oct 03 05:00:00 no... got it like 3 mos ago Oct 03 05:00:12 new in the box Oct 03 05:00:12 because.. I was going to say.. Oct 03 05:00:27 if that's the price for an N810... they're charging *way* more for the N900 Oct 03 05:00:38 hahaha Oct 03 05:00:40 still $240 in a lot of places Oct 03 05:00:47 but the price is going up steadily it seems Oct 03 05:01:07 well.. I suppose that's good for the N900... Oct 03 05:01:12 johnx, i noticed that.. what's the deal with that? Oct 03 05:01:14 maemo is getting popular Oct 03 05:01:20 MaceN8x0, they ceased production Oct 03 05:01:24 ooh Oct 03 05:01:29 okay, that'd explain it Oct 03 05:01:38 (or so I am led to believe) Oct 03 05:01:38 is there something i don't know? :) Oct 03 05:01:56 also, new maemo stuff continues to appear, like the snes emu Oct 03 05:02:01 Where's pupnik Oct 03 05:02:23 last i heard there was an astroid heading towards earth and only ppl with n8x0s get access to the safety caves Oct 03 05:02:25 he left about an hour ago it seems Oct 03 05:02:31 Oh Oct 03 05:02:44 or ... 3 hours ago :) Oct 03 05:02:46 i'm still waiting for mer to become more end user Oct 03 05:02:49 time flies Oct 03 05:03:02 MaceN8x0, stop waiting, starting doing :) Oct 03 05:03:11 do you follow mer-chatter? Oct 03 05:03:37 i'm no coder ;) Oct 03 05:03:47 neither am I :P Oct 03 05:04:01 not really.. haven't used it in a month or so Oct 03 05:04:11 tried it out and isn't ready yet Oct 03 05:04:27 really all it needs is a stable functional ui and it'd be pretty good Oct 03 05:04:37 the base seems well made Oct 03 05:04:58 yup, and there are some things in motion WRT the UI Oct 03 05:06:16 well. maybe .17.9.7.5.0b will have a nicer ui :) Oct 03 05:06:19 anyways, hang on for another couple months. 0.16 will be a transitional release and cool things will start showing up in 0.17 and 0.18 Oct 03 05:06:37 oh i'm sure Oct 03 05:07:00 but by then i'd have gotten an n900 and be selling my n810 on amazon fpr $300 Oct 03 05:07:16 i like maemo quite a bit Oct 03 05:07:57 would be nicce if someone figured a way to connect a 3G modem to it directly Oct 03 05:08:18 like an enclosure that connects to the usb port :) Oct 03 05:08:33 if I didn't think maemo was a worthwhile platform, I would have gone over to android (or back to angstrom) a long time ago Oct 03 05:08:44 that protects the n810 and serves as a steady connection for the n810 Oct 03 05:09:20 having problems with bt? Oct 03 05:09:21 android sucks Oct 03 05:09:26 heh Oct 03 05:09:37 it was ok at first but its dev path is total shit Oct 03 05:09:46 lack thereof? Oct 03 05:09:59 well, the path forward looks to be replacing the non-free parts Oct 03 05:10:07 not to mention the pay for me apps that all suck Oct 03 05:10:17 and constantly crash Oct 03 05:10:30 slow stock updates Oct 03 05:10:40 unstable 3rd party roms Oct 03 05:11:08 slow operation Oct 03 05:11:13 poor multitasking Oct 03 05:11:36 android is a lot heavier than maemo Oct 03 05:11:42 abstraction has heavy costs Oct 03 05:11:58 well. it also has a shitty multitasking scheme Oct 03 05:12:02 and in many situations the benefits of it go to the carriers/providers Oct 03 05:12:10 close what i think you aren't using Oct 03 05:12:17 by myself Oct 03 05:12:17 :) Oct 03 05:12:50 do you think it's better or worse than freezing and rebooting? Oct 03 05:13:35 well. i'd have to check but i think on a clean boot with nothing running... Oct 03 05:13:55 you get almost no playroom with the ram on the G1 Oct 03 05:14:05 OOM sucks no matter how it's handled. Oct 03 05:14:10 maemo seems to do an ok job of swapping to an sd Oct 03 05:14:33 android doesn't seem to handle it too well Oct 03 05:14:36 It'll start killing, too, without, though. Oct 03 05:14:51 I think app writers need to learn to handle the situation where the OS tells them to 'STOP' better Oct 03 05:14:54 Browser plugins then background apps. Oct 03 05:15:04 it will stop you from opening apps Oct 03 05:15:23 maemo will at least Oct 03 05:15:38 instead of systematically self killing apps for you Oct 03 05:15:45 i'd rather android did that Oct 03 05:15:58 MaceN8x0, it will if it runs low enough and the watchdog doesn't reboot you first Oct 03 05:16:01 but that's pretty rare Oct 03 05:16:29 heh, yeah.. i think compiling was the only thing that did that to me on the n810 Oct 03 05:16:42 in gentoo Oct 03 05:16:56 hardcore maemo use seems to have never done that to me Oct 03 05:17:34 i would give anything for a 3G modem case for my n810 Oct 03 05:18:12 still not understanding how that's better than tethering via bt... Oct 03 05:18:12 maybe some very marginal speed gains Oct 03 05:18:16 lots more power usage Oct 03 05:18:37 and a bulky, awkward setup Oct 03 05:18:40 tethering requires 2 devices Oct 03 05:18:47 and kills the phone anyways Oct 03 05:19:00 2 devices is bulkier than 1 Oct 03 05:19:23 ah, so you're picturing like a really professional 3G modem attachment? Oct 03 05:19:30 I was picturing a DIY type thing Oct 03 05:19:35 yes Oct 03 05:19:50 maybe something that you replace the stand with Oct 03 05:20:01 * johnx leaves the phone in his pocket and stays paired for hours without losing much battery in either device Oct 03 05:20:14 i have to wifi tether my g1 Oct 03 05:20:19 no bt dun Oct 03 05:20:21 aaaah Oct 03 05:20:23 lame Oct 03 05:20:26 yeah Oct 03 05:20:30 yeah, that sucks a lot Oct 03 05:20:40 why not BT DUN/PAN? no one hacked it in yet? Oct 03 05:20:45 but the 3G on my n95 via bt Oct 03 05:20:50 was just as bad Oct 03 05:21:05 TM506 here works great Oct 03 05:21:14 3G modems are power whores too Oct 03 05:21:41 heh. well... bbl Oct 03 05:21:44 have to check something Oct 03 06:09:14 "I do hope that the boys reading aren't too obsessed about anti-aging though, because the last bit of bad news is that "only the female mice benefited" in the study." Oct 03 06:11:30 RST38h: hmm? Oct 03 06:11:40 what was that quote about? Oct 03 06:11:56 AStorm: Apparently female bulemic mice live 20% longer Oct 03 06:12:03 ah that. Oct 03 06:12:08 general caloric reduction. Oct 03 06:12:42 it toggles various hormonal reactions that aren't well understood Oct 03 06:13:07 you could get about 10-15% (including men) by dropping to 1200 kcal somehow Oct 03 06:13:23 it's *hard* to do w/o depriving yourself Oct 03 06:13:52 the other way around might work too Oct 03 06:14:04 but really, far too many variables Oct 03 06:14:59 so this observation helps... nothing. Oct 03 06:15:02 :P Oct 03 06:20:38 apparently you can simulate it in mice by removing a gene Oct 03 06:20:57 sure, twiddle and play Oct 03 06:20:58 female bulemic mice of course Oct 03 06:21:09 which of course doesn't mean anything yet ;p Oct 03 06:21:27 if you are into mice, it does =) Oct 03 06:21:36 the question is why is the reaction so powerful Oct 03 06:22:04 one gene affecting lifetime by 20%? how. :> Oct 03 06:22:17 less fat created, and fat apparently badly affects many things Oct 03 06:22:23 hmmm Oct 03 06:22:26 interesting Oct 03 06:22:55 there has been a link established between fat and respiratory ilnesses, fat and diabetes Oct 03 06:23:01 but that's still not 20%. must affect something important Oct 03 06:23:18 I know that "fat" is actually an endocrine organ Oct 03 06:23:32 (in addition to being an energy store) Oct 03 06:23:47 * RST38h seems to remember reading about this as well Oct 03 06:24:16 Further proves that the God has been a hacker. Oct 03 06:26:32 rotfl Oct 03 06:26:53 but let's not start that flamewar Oct 03 06:29:05 * RST38h has not specified which God =) Oct 03 06:30:18 if any Oct 03 06:37:32 hahaha Oct 03 07:22:58 * RST38h officially hates SigmaTel now Oct 03 07:43:59 I feel so out of touch with everything Oct 03 07:44:20 i dont feel much touching anything atm Oct 03 07:44:27 same here Oct 03 07:44:36 ... damn weather :p Oct 03 07:44:52 what weather? it is sunny here Oct 03 07:45:22 solid gray sky and like 5C here :( Oct 03 07:45:36 knew i shouldve closed the window before going to bed Oct 03 07:46:10 I'm looking at http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ and the only thing I can think of is "er, ok, what's the purpose?" Oct 03 07:46:11 Well, we still have a few days before it switches to perpetual twilight here =) Oct 03 07:46:46 Myrtti: Ah, I asked Niels the same yesterday. He says that this is for rigorous quality testing :) Oct 03 07:47:20 RST38h: right - but I fail to see exactly *where* the quality testing comes into play with the view I'm looking at Oct 03 07:47:38 perhaps that is because I'm just a documentation geek Oct 03 07:47:45 Myrtti: You are supposed to test an app and if you like it - thumb it up Oct 03 07:48:03 and don't and can't do a lot of testing as I've got only mah N800 Oct 03 07:48:07 Myrtti: thumbing app can only be done on the application page, cannot thumb up in this list (don't ask me why :)) Oct 03 07:48:21 Myrtti: That is why Extras is going to stay empty for Fremantle :) Oct 03 07:48:50 Official, enabled on the upcoming N900 devices, but empty. Oct 03 07:48:58 enabled? wow Oct 03 07:49:05 that's a step up Oct 03 07:49:28 step off the cliff, if you ask me: the qa process makes it near impossible to get there, especially if you update frequently Oct 03 07:49:31 oh, right, you can do that thumbing *there* Oct 03 07:49:53 I had to *look* for that Oct 03 07:49:58 Sts: Every revision of your program has to be thumbed up separately Oct 03 07:50:07 ~johnx Oct 03 07:50:08 makes sense, in it's weird way Oct 03 07:50:13 Myrtti: Complain to Niels, if enough people complain he will fix it Oct 03 07:50:48 nah, I think that this time it was PEBKAC Oct 03 07:51:40 but what it might need is a bit of explanation somewhere on that page Oct 03 07:51:48 on the queue or something Oct 03 07:51:51 Myrtti: I do think it is not PEBKAC Oct 03 07:52:13 Myrtti: You have to click through twice before you can vote, you vote on each revision for each platform separately Oct 03 07:52:23 "This is the queue of fremantle extras-testing. To raise a karma of the application, you need to..." Oct 03 07:52:25 Myrtti: This is seriously messy process Oct 03 07:52:59 RST38h: the process does have its merits though - when I now stop and think about it, it makes perfect sense Oct 03 07:53:25 of course you need to vote for each version separately Oct 03 07:53:33 it's just not ... explained too well Oct 03 07:53:36 RST38h: It could be worse... I mean, I hear on some platforms that you have to get your application signed before you can install it! Oct 03 07:55:12 Myrtti: I already told the story of a Soviet supermarket once Oct 03 07:55:23 Let me see if I can find in in mgedmin's logs :) Oct 03 07:55:27 and if someone says "this is explained on garage or talk or ..." I'm going to scream Oct 03 07:55:39 qwerty: I am always signing my Maemo packages Oct 03 07:55:50 That's optional Oct 03 07:55:54 because this process needs to be explained where the process is Oct 03 07:56:12 not on some arbitrary page that needs to be searched for Oct 03 07:58:25 RST38h: I haven't heard the story but I can imagine the punchline of it Oct 03 07:59:20 Myrtti: Anyway (google failed), there was that procedure in .SU department stores where to buy something you had to tell the girl what you want, get a piece of paper, go to cashier, exchange piece of paper and money for the second piece of paper, go back, exchange the 2nd piece for the actual item but only after a proper record is made in the book Oct 03 07:59:55 Myrtti: It still exists in some really old stores. It is totally logical, prevents you from stealing merchandise, prevents the first goal from stealing money, etc. Oct 03 08:00:04 s/goal/girl (hm) Oct 03 08:00:33 Myrtti: The problem with it that it is absolute, total, insufferable pain in the ass (and also breeds long lines) Oct 03 08:01:04 RST38h: yeah, I recently looked the first episode of Michael Palin's From pole to pole Oct 03 08:01:06 Myrtti: I am not sure why Maemo needs to reimplement the same kind of procedure with Extras. Oct 03 08:01:17 he tried to buy a bottle of vodka in 1989. Oct 03 08:01:27 or somewhere thereabouts Oct 03 08:01:27 Wrong, wrong time to buy vodka Oct 03 08:01:31 start scared.... realise it's OK.... relax.... Oct 03 08:01:37 ^^Nokia Oct 03 08:01:52 someone get some valium Oct 03 08:02:17 * Myrtti gives lbt some strawberry-flavoured valium syrup Oct 03 08:02:20 Or maybe offer them some 1989 Vodka if there's any left Oct 03 08:02:23 here you go Oct 03 08:02:29 Myrtti: vodka in 1989 would actually be an extreme case Oct 03 08:02:31 * lbt doses Nokia Oct 03 08:03:00 Myrtti: With all the limitations on alcohol sales of that time. But he would still suffer buying other stuff. Oct 03 08:03:07 * Myrtti checks the date Oct 03 08:05:41 BBC, 1991 Oct 03 08:05:53 I suspect it was shot a bit earlier though Oct 03 08:06:17 he *did* travel from pole to pole and started from the north, traveling through Finland Oct 03 08:06:19 yea, that would also do Oct 03 08:06:35 * RST38h has seen a few episodes of that Oct 03 08:06:45 Russian one and Mongolian one, I think Oct 03 08:15:12 * RST38h prays to the Tentacled One to make a visit to SigmaTel HQ Oct 03 08:16:05 He needs some sun, so he's in California eying up Apple's HQ Oct 03 08:19:10 Between him and El Jobso, I am not sure who is gonna win... Oct 03 08:20:36 * johnx must be crazy: just updated to the ubuntu 9.10 beta a day after release Oct 03 08:20:46 oh boy Oct 03 08:20:54 oh Oct 03 08:21:04 * RST38h has got a job invitation from RIM in the meanwhile Oct 03 08:21:31 Anyone leaving in TX and enjoying kernel work, let me know, I will forward your resume to the guy Oct 03 08:21:32 RST38h, maybe their looking for a fall-guy for surepress...I'd be wary Oct 03 08:21:36 s/leaving/lving Oct 03 08:21:55 * Stskeeps hugs qwerty12_N810 for brightness applet Oct 03 08:21:56 (shit, I am getting lousy with keys) Oct 03 08:23:13 Stskeeps: heh Oct 03 08:25:16 ok, I now know where this damn memory bandwidth problem is Oct 03 08:25:32 (and the funnniest part is that it is not even mine :() Oct 03 08:28:01 maybe I drank the kool-aid or something but 9.10 feels noticeably faster than 9.04 Oct 03 08:29:15 there have been desktop-related changes to Linux scheduler, right? Oct 03 08:29:40 also, ff3.5 vs ff3 Oct 03 08:30:01 though yeah, that sounds like something I remember hearing about Oct 03 08:30:18 johnx: I somehow got upgraded to 3.5 but it still says Shiretoko 3.5.4pre Oct 03 08:30:31 johnx: No idea what I have to do to make it show up like normal FF Oct 03 08:30:46 RST38h, it kept 3.0 around for compatibility Oct 03 08:30:58 so just wait for 9.10 and then hit the upgrade Oct 03 08:31:13 aha Oct 03 08:31:43 the situation with ff on linux is kinda special since it's the OS default/core/whatever browser, so they tend to be really conservative about upgrading it Oct 03 08:35:45 johnx: would like to hear about how 9.10 compares to 9.04 - work does webdev and wants ff3.5 Oct 03 08:35:46 * RST38h fixed the problem by adding many, MANY NOPs Oct 03 08:36:47 lbt, seems ok so far and it has this not-entirely-possible to quantify feeling of being "quicker" or "more responsive" or one of those words that drives devs mad :) Oct 03 08:37:04 nod Oct 03 08:37:15 regressions: it ate my wifi driver Oct 03 08:37:24 had to run modprobe ath5k Oct 03 08:37:27 then all was well Oct 03 08:38:11 also, as always there's a little bit of foreign language input stuff that needs shaking out Oct 03 08:45:28 zap: Here? Oct 03 08:49:11 hm Oct 03 08:52:14 Ah perfect! A kernel panic! Oct 03 09:27:39 Heya all Oct 03 09:27:58 heya wazd Oct 03 09:28:18 wazd: do you have some hours during the weekend to make a mer and maemo summit combined template? Oct 03 09:28:41 for presentations Oct 03 09:33:02 Damned phone Oct 03 09:33:28 Stskeeps: sure, I'll try to find some Oct 03 09:33:47 hang on then Oct 03 09:33:59 Template for slides? Oct 03 09:34:14 yeah, there's an existing one for the summit speakers, but we need a mer touch to it.. Oct 03 09:34:48 if I were to attend it and to speak, I'd demand LaTeX templates Oct 03 09:34:56 but perhaps I'd be forced to do them myself :-D Oct 03 09:35:05 probably :P Oct 03 09:35:09 waz1: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=338240&postcount=1 Oct 03 09:38:29 Stskeeps: cool thanks Oct 03 09:41:01 morning all Oct 03 09:41:05 '' Oct 03 09:41:07 morn lardman Oct 03 09:41:10 mornin Oct 03 09:41:38 how are things in maemo land today? Oct 03 09:41:46 presentation writing Oct 03 09:41:56 mms research ;) Oct 03 09:42:06 ah good good Oct 03 09:42:19 playing with mer on the zaurus Oct 03 09:42:43 johnx: you still have a working battery!? Oct 03 09:42:49 hahaha...no Oct 03 09:43:17 but I figure if I can get this working there might be a couple hardcore zaurus users who'll come and play Oct 03 09:43:22 cool Oct 03 09:43:45 Well I may be able to power up my 750 and 5500 if needs be Oct 03 09:43:52 dunno if there really are zaurus users out there though :/ Oct 03 09:44:04 is oesf still active? Oct 03 09:44:11 kinda Oct 03 09:44:19 well there are some then Oct 03 09:44:27 but users rather than hackers I guess? Oct 03 09:45:03 very likely Oct 03 09:46:36 or hackers who couldn't afford to buy new hw perhaps :) Oct 03 09:46:48 actually, it does look kinda active Oct 03 09:46:50 crazy Oct 03 09:50:17 hmm, really need to either get this webscraping stuff working or just stop Oct 03 09:50:54 what site you scraping? Oct 03 09:51:32 barcode ones, amazon, barcodepedia, etc Oct 03 09:52:26 okey Oct 03 09:54:03 I'm just not getting back the tags I wanted, obviously my code needs to be more careful about how it steps through the docs Oct 03 09:56:44 hmm, haven't got time to do the libconic connection stuff either, drat Oct 03 09:58:29 btw, does anyone know if the "only one connection at a time" is a platform limit under maemo5? Oct 03 09:59:04 im dont know too much about connection handling but shouldnt it be possible to have "dial up" (ie grps/3g) and a wlan connection at the same time in the linux kernel at least? Oct 03 09:59:16 sure,but default route.. Oct 03 10:00:19 ah right that was the problem Oct 03 10:06:53 * lardman wonders why he's getting "Aborted (core dumped)" Oct 03 10:49:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS_implementation#Fetch_the_MMS_from_the_provider. does this seem reasonable or did i get something wrong? Oct 03 10:49:45 does nokia.music support diablo browser? Oct 03 10:51:06 i got sms from mynokia that free music for 10e but when i boot my laptop nokia music page said that they don't support linux Oct 03 10:52:16 only xp and vista is supported and ie6 + Oct 03 10:53:49 zerojay: interesting; can you get some debugging output from it? Oct 03 10:54:09 thux: yeh their music team is imebeciles Oct 03 10:54:23 Stskeeps: I can't open odp file :( Oct 03 10:54:38 wazd: hmm, i guess i can make a scrshot Oct 03 10:55:07 frals, seems reasonable to me as an outsider Oct 03 10:55:31 Stskeeps, if the template comes back as a screenshot after can you just use that as a background Oct 03 10:55:38 yeah thats what im thinking as well lcuk2, cheers :) Oct 03 10:55:57 Stskeeps: make it .png plz :) Oct 03 10:55:58 need someone who knows all that mumbojumbo now :D Oct 03 10:56:19 my thoughts exactly :) Oct 03 10:56:26 are you coming to the summit Oct 03 10:56:52 me? no, im way to new here ;) Oct 03 10:57:00 im glad to see you are going after all :) Oct 03 10:57:12 * lcuk2 nods :) big relief Oct 03 10:57:23 wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/template.png Oct 03 10:58:05 Stskeeps, can you get him a highres full screen of that slide - so when he makes it hes not working from scaled images Oct 03 10:58:25 ie screenshot from the slide running :P Oct 03 10:58:29 let's see.. Oct 03 10:59:13 lcuk2: i don't have a 16:9 screen so Oct 03 11:00:02 ahh Oct 03 11:00:20 * lcuk2 guesses wazd will have the glyphs at the bottom anyway Oct 03 11:01:25 Stskeeps: can you make 100% shot plz? Oct 03 11:01:34 mmk Oct 03 11:01:38 Stskeeps: you have 80% now Oct 03 11:02:52 sec Oct 03 11:03:14 do you need the outlines for it or just the background? Oct 03 11:03:27 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/template100.png Oct 03 11:04:30 Stskeeps: thx :) Oct 03 11:04:40 www.frals.se/temp/MaemoSummit_template.png Oct 03 11:04:40 doh Oct 03 11:04:52 never realised powerpoint could export to png ^^ Oct 03 11:05:17 www.frals.se/temp/maemosummit_template.png Oct 03 11:05:17 even Oct 03 11:05:51 wazd: basically i want some degree of mer touch to it.. not sure why we need black backgrounds in n900 style themes but hey.. Oct 03 11:09:20 Stskeeps: I'll do my best :) Oct 03 11:13:13 good morning everyone. Anyone of you owns a n97 ? Oct 03 11:18:44 Back Oct 03 11:18:49 Grrrh... Oct 03 11:19:08 hi all. I'm a noob and I have a question regarding the set up of Esbox for maemo Oct 03 11:19:11 wazd: EHLO! Can you quickly add TI73 to that menu image and send it over? Oct 03 11:19:30 * RST38h is packaging apps for Fremantle and will do the Diablo packages in the process Oct 03 11:19:54 I followed the instructions, got the virtual machine image, run the esbox setup Oct 03 11:20:44 but I am stuck on this: esbox asks me (SMB mount) for username, workgroup/domain and password Oct 03 11:20:47 RST38h: heya Oct 03 11:20:53 can anybody guide me a bit from here? Oct 03 11:21:34 Ehehehe Oct 03 11:23:34 RST38h: looks like I've lost .psd with selection menu - wait za bit I'll redraw it :) Oct 03 11:23:42 RST38h: 20 mins Oct 03 11:24:14 bubu: i had now problems at all - do you have some kind of user-profiles on your system? Is it XP or Vista ? Oct 03 11:24:16 i have downloaded this Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image from Esbox Oct 03 11:24:28 while running the wizzard I got stuck Oct 03 11:24:39 wazd: I can send you the pngs =) Oct 03 11:24:59 (there were two, the full one and the one with non-working ti models blanked) Oct 03 11:25:06 RST38h: I have them :) Oct 03 11:25:13 ! Oct 03 11:25:38 * RST38h found how to attach images to mime types btw, so new packages will show gba/gb/sms/rom/etc files with correct icons Oct 03 11:26:46 "Martin will head a new unit that will work on the N900 and other devices using Maemo, according to an internal announcement. He was responsible for Internet and iPhone service strategy at Apple." <=== RUN FOR THE HILLS! Oct 03 11:28:18 let's hope he left apple for being pissed off at appstore stupidities Oct 03 11:29:45 HELP: I installed Esbox...that has a wizard that downloads Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image for you I have loaded the image in Vmware, started it, configured Esbox to connect to the virtual image when I press validate machine from Esbox, another window pops up asking me about username, workgroup doman and password and here i got stuck Oct 03 11:30:17 glass: Lots of Apple strategy seems to be defined by el Jobso anyway Oct 03 11:31:31 RST38h: yeh Oct 03 11:31:48 RST38h: would be frustrating to come up with strategies under jobs.. Oct 03 11:35:19 RST38h: haha, found the psd) Oct 03 11:37:44 RST38h: maybe I should change bck to black, so it will look more sexy on n900? Oct 03 11:41:51 wazd: As you think necessary :) Although both n8x0 and n900 will share the same image Oct 03 11:42:29 wazd: You can even use some stealthy dotted background, like the surface of a golf ball rotated 45 degrees or something :) Oct 03 11:47:07 http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/illinois/ilndce/1:2008cv00975/217225/ Oct 03 11:51:04 has anyone experimented with the systemtap tool? I remember qwerty12_N810 had a post of it in the forum :) Oct 03 11:51:37 * qwerty12_N810 has never used SystemTap :) Oct 03 12:04:02 RST38h: I'll try to send you the file Oct 03 12:05:01 RST38h: can you tell me your mail, can't load gmail addressbook Oct 03 12:11:10 waz1: luarvique at gmail.com Oct 03 12:12:31 RST38h: got it, trying to send :) Oct 03 12:16:24 RST38h: well, looks like it's out Oct 03 12:18:22 hey! Oct 03 12:20:33 RST38h: nah,, failed again Oct 03 12:21:39 crashanddie: Still need me to ring you? Oct 03 12:21:58 Af'noon, all Oct 03 12:23:43 RST38h: and again Oct 03 12:24:34 wazd: checking Oct 03 12:24:51 wazd: not there =( Oct 03 12:36:06 re Oct 03 12:36:19 hi Jaffa Oct 03 12:38:07 lardman: Did you ever get those example barcode images that don't decode with zbar? Oct 03 12:38:50 no, sorry, been a busy week Oct 03 12:39:03 just try any 1D barcode Oct 03 12:39:13 this was v 0.8 Oct 03 12:39:22 Okay. spadix is preparing for another release mid-October, and I'd like to get this resolved by then. Oct 03 12:39:32 That release will include the QR stuff. Oct 03 12:39:33 it would always recognise an EAN8 code from what was actually an EAN13 Oct 03 12:39:42 cool, ok Oct 03 12:40:02 After this week coming I'll have some time to do some testing Oct 03 12:47:13 derf: I understand the 0.9 code is better anyway Oct 03 12:54:23 Does maemo run an actual X server, and is the touchscreen used as an input device to it, or is this all handled in an obscure and special way? Oct 03 12:54:35 Xomap, yes, it's an input device, but it's not Xorg Oct 03 12:54:41 on N8x0 Oct 03 12:54:44 on N900 it's a xorg Oct 03 12:56:14 it is xorg, but old Oct 03 12:56:29 patched. Oct 03 12:56:52 I see. I wonder how hard it would be to get circular scrolling (instead of that silly hectical circular zoom), or circular zooming but starting from an outside area or corner. Similar to synaptics circular scrolling. You would start in a corner and then perform circular motion clockwise or anti-clockwise and it would scroll up and down or zoom in or out depending on the corner. Oct 03 12:56:59 touchscreen looks like a mouse to everything Oct 03 12:57:16 speaking of Xorg.. I'm using the fremantle sdk on Xephyr.. but there is... something.. with the colors.. there seems to be no red Oct 03 12:57:17 and there is a way to get pressure reading Oct 03 12:57:27 not really Oct 03 12:57:28 Mozillion: there's inverted colours problem i think Oct 03 12:57:29 Mozillion: wrong 16-bit format Oct 03 12:57:38