**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 05 02:59:57 2009 Oct 05 03:24:16 BBNS, even without compass? Oct 05 03:25:50 ShadowJK, yes, even without compass. Oct 05 03:26:23 there are many techniques could overcome without compass, such as optical flow or PTAM from George Klein. Oct 05 03:27:25 the tricky thing is how to do it fast, in practical real time. Oct 05 03:27:30 i suspect the "game changer" bit about N900 compared to other Nokia phones is that developing for it is a few magnitudes saner Oct 05 03:27:55 http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3982763546/ Oct 05 03:27:57 :D Oct 05 03:28:37 i found its more easy to develop, much more friendly. i have wrote program on Symbian / Maemo and iPhone. Symbian is the most painful. Oct 05 03:28:58 zerojay, permission denied? Oct 05 03:28:59 where N900 is the most high end phone that Nokia has so far. Oct 05 03:29:40 Oh.. hang on. Oct 05 03:29:59 ShadowJK: Try again. Oct 05 03:30:07 I've written programs in python on s60, I can't imagine how painful it would be in C(++) on s60 Oct 05 03:30:33 zerojay, nice i love it! Oct 05 03:30:59 ShadowJK, very painful ... and i don't want to think again. =P Oct 05 03:31:04 What I never quite figured out about all these widgets... why are there so many different widgets, and why are they all so huge you'd never fit more than one or two :) Oct 05 03:31:54 hm, I guess that's not a fullscreen though Oct 05 03:32:09 That's quite far from full screen. Oct 05 03:32:27 400x240. Oct 05 03:32:36 Cropped screenshot. Oct 05 03:32:55 Just takes up a corner together. Oct 05 03:32:58 Quite small. Oct 05 03:33:19 :) Oct 05 04:55:42 My Nokia N810 sometimes goes into a state where the keyboard is not active and I have to reboot to get them to work. Oct 05 04:55:54 Anyone seen this or know what is going on and how to fix it? Oct 05 04:57:32 I have noticed that during this time the blue charge light is oscillating on/off, which makes me think it is in some kind of a sleep state or something, but everything else works fine except the keyboard. Oct 05 05:08:07 anyone? Oct 05 05:57:46 hello all Oct 05 05:57:49 good morning Oct 05 05:58:02 I am facing a problem using camera API Oct 05 05:58:15 GstElement * pipeLine; Oct 05 05:58:23 compilation error! Oct 05 05:58:43 ISO forbidds declaration of GstElement with no type Oct 05 05:58:51 Any Clue or idea? Oct 05 05:59:00 unexpected error Oct 05 05:59:07 Strange error Oct 05 06:02:07 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Oct 05 06:36:27 Morning, all Oct 05 06:36:53 mornin' Jaffa Oct 05 06:37:33 morning jaffa, danielwilms Oct 05 06:37:59 morning! Oct 05 06:38:42 wonder how arm opensolaris is doing Oct 05 06:38:51 * Stskeeps is still interested Oct 05 06:38:52 zfs on an sd haha Oct 05 06:39:18 i haven't checked in a while Oct 05 06:39:45 looks like they're targeting qemu for now Oct 05 06:41:23 http://alexeremin.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-opensolaris-arm-release.html Oct 05 06:42:05 This release support NEC Electronics's NaviEngine 1 (NE1) Oct 05 06:42:16 wow Oct 05 06:42:18 ah, cool. Oct 05 06:42:33 maybe i can use it on my n810 some day Oct 05 06:42:36 :) Oct 05 06:42:43 i would much better like it on a sheevaplug tbh Oct 05 06:42:49 I still don't understand the ZFS fetish... Oct 05 06:42:49 or mer can swap over from linux to opensolaris Oct 05 06:42:53 heh Oct 05 06:42:58 zfs is great Oct 05 06:43:09 ever used LVM2? Oct 05 06:43:11 especially on large drives Oct 05 06:43:18 yeah Oct 05 06:43:28 zfs seemed better Oct 05 06:43:56 so when will opensolaris arm be able to address a framebuffer? Oct 05 06:44:07 lvm still requires formatting the volumes with a traditional fs Oct 05 06:44:27 I thought the major goal of ZFS was snapshots? Oct 05 06:45:05 that too Oct 05 06:45:34 but i suppose it evolved to an awesome fs Oct 05 06:46:04 but no one can tell me why it's so much more awesome than LVM2+XFS or LVM2+ Oct 05 06:46:32 i guess zfs is what the linux community is trying to rival with the btrfs stuff Oct 05 06:46:32 grr Oct 05 06:47:05 suppose so. I read about the design of BTRFS. Seems like a cool design Oct 05 06:47:46 goddamn th Oct 05 06:49:48 http://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/200805/installation/ Oct 05 06:49:49 wow Oct 05 06:49:51 well Oct 05 06:49:59 looks like it is going to be awhile Oct 05 06:50:22 but i think it will be great to see opensolaris on arms Oct 05 06:50:34 hope they can get the powersaving going Oct 05 06:51:07 MaceN8x0, if opensolaris ARM ever actually goes anywhere, I'll owe you a beer Oct 05 07:33:14 ^ Oct 05 07:45:04 Morning, all Oct 05 07:45:21 you said that already Oct 05 07:45:33 Did I? Oct 05 07:45:41 Not today Oct 05 07:45:50 [08:38] Morning, all Oct 05 07:46:27 Nah Oct 05 07:58:37 woglinde, can you add fullscreen toggle to qtny nx-client? Oct 05 07:58:46 qtnx Oct 05 07:59:51 how is mer on smartq btw Oct 05 08:10:00 moo all Oct 05 08:14:51 hmm Oct 05 08:15:03 what? Oct 05 08:18:26 nothing Oct 05 08:18:33 morning tigert Oct 05 08:54:41 how can i install addressbook application inside the sdk? Oct 05 08:55:42 i don't think it is available for the sdk beta2 Oct 05 08:55:49 I don't think you can Oct 05 08:56:04 the final sdk will have it included, though Oct 05 08:56:09 interesting Oct 05 08:56:20 can you comment on the licensing? Oct 05 08:56:42 of what exactly? Oct 05 08:56:57 the addressbook application Oct 05 08:57:07 hmm the addresbook api is there though? Oct 05 08:57:16 osso-abook and ebook? Oct 05 08:58:56 seem to be Oct 05 08:59:46 johnx, as far as i know osso-addressbook will be closed. not sure though Oct 05 09:00:06 but surely there will be some AIs? Oct 05 09:00:09 APIs Oct 05 09:00:25 eh, why not? Oct 05 09:01:53 hmm im working on something that needs contacts and theres no way to create contacts inside the scratchbox environment. does this mean that i have to create my own test app that can create contacts? Oct 05 09:14:08 Heya maemo Oct 05 09:14:41 heya wazd Oct 05 09:14:45 lo wazd Oct 05 09:15:05 wazd: found that I was wrong, TI73 does not run yet. But TI83+ does =) Oct 05 09:15:45 RST38h: meh :) Oct 05 09:15:49 wazd: So, the right menu should enable TI83+ and keep TI73 blanked out for now (sorry, was stupid) Oct 05 09:18:42 RST38h: np at all Oct 05 09:20:20 shapeshifter@Tachychineta> scratchbox/login /home/shapeshifter/stuff/maemo Oct 05 09:20:21 ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! Oct 05 09:20:30 huh? Oct 05 09:20:41 ah, looks like scrathbox isn't properly set up Oct 05 09:20:47 you'll want to set that up properly Oct 05 09:20:49 certainly sounds like it =) Oct 05 09:20:52 looks like it. Oct 05 09:21:56 Private detectives channel? :D Oct 05 09:22:03 ahh scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start as root did it. Oct 05 09:23:45 wazd: Oh, wait, I am wrong again Oct 05 09:23:59 * RST38h beats his head Oct 05 09:24:45 * VDVsx beats RST38h head too :P Oct 05 09:24:47 RST38h: doh) Oct 05 09:24:55 wazd: The correct list of enabled buttons: 85,86,82,83,83+,73(disabled),83+SE <=== The 83+SE *works now* Oct 05 09:25:02 83+ worked all the time Oct 05 09:25:23 73 should be the same hw as 83+ but it does not work (and we have no faceplate for it too) Oct 05 09:25:46 73? Oct 05 09:25:49 is that old or new? Oct 05 09:25:58 84+/84+SE I have no firmware for and it looks like TI does not like it spread anyway Oct 05 09:26:14 johnx: 73 is a modification of 83+ made specifically for studying math Oct 05 09:27:10 Is 73 enabled or disabled?) Oct 05 09:28:00 disable it in the menu please Oct 05 09:28:17 No reason to enable something that does not work Oct 05 09:29:56 rst38h: apple style :P Oct 05 09:30:16 heh 8) Oct 05 09:34:14 i need to get the latest diablo rootstrap SDK going. Can I get it going with http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ ? Oct 05 09:34:25 or does maemo 5 === fremantle? Oct 05 09:34:34 maemo 5 = fremantle Oct 05 09:34:42 diablo = maemo 4.1.x Oct 05 09:37:49 can fremantle run on a N810? Oct 05 09:37:55 ~mer Oct 05 09:37:56 methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Oct 05 09:40:39 is mer supposed to be the answer to my question? Oct 05 09:40:54 yeah.. no official fremantle for n810 but mer is api backport and other things Oct 05 09:41:14 Channel topic is an answer Oct 05 09:41:23 nokia won't be doing a fremantle release for the n8x0, so it's up to the community Oct 05 09:42:14 mer does not seem to have images or a toolchain? or am i crap at navigating their website Oct 05 09:42:46 Second option Oct 05 09:43:59 hendry: we don't have a toolchain except for OBS :) some things are different Oct 05 09:43:59 brb Oct 05 09:46:41 wtf. a third party cloud service for a build? What are you guys smoking! Oct 05 09:46:48 http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/125471834446.jpg Oct 05 09:48:02 VDVsx: Ping? Oct 05 09:48:08 Looks like we're doing the same thing at the same time again :) Oct 05 09:48:16 hendry: you can build locally too :) Oct 05 09:48:22 dneary, pong Oct 05 09:48:24 VDVsx: Gary Liquid is Gary Birkett, I think Oct 05 09:48:34 dneary, yes Oct 05 09:48:40 hendry: it looks like we're smoking something but really, things are much saner than scratchbox Oct 05 09:48:53 dneary, I added the correct name there ;) Oct 05 09:49:01 Stskeeps: i must say, i disklike scratchbox Oct 05 09:49:40 Stskeeps: though i need to demo proprietary code on a N810 and I can't upload proprietary code. Oct 05 09:49:40 dneary: he's lcuk, Gary Birkett is like Tomas Anderson for Neo :D Oct 05 09:49:57 hendry: you can build locally just fine without upload Oct 05 09:50:18 Stskeeps: just a gcc switch or using scratchbox? Oct 05 09:50:36 VDVsx: So did I. Also redid the bio to be "he writes... he is..." instead of "I write... I'm" Oct 05 09:50:42 Ah Oct 05 09:50:47 Edit conflict on schedule too :) Oct 05 09:50:59 bah Oct 05 09:51:30 never mind Oct 05 09:51:46 I should have known you'd be quick on the trigger Oct 05 09:51:48 Stskeeps: can i see OTS built packages? do you have fresh builds of Webkit for e.g. for mer? Oct 05 09:51:54 hendry: basically user level qemu emulation has improved a lot lately. what it does is grab packages, make a chroot, build the package using qemu user level emulation. in next step it uses cross-compiler too. Oct 05 09:51:56 dneary, lol Oct 05 09:52:19 hendry: sure, grab a OBS account and check Maemo:Mer:Devel Oct 05 09:52:48 do you stay in chroot Oct 05 09:52:49 wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build as well Oct 05 09:52:53 with obs Oct 05 09:52:59 hmm? Oct 05 09:53:24 Stskeeps: ok, i want to setup this qeumu emulation and get building without obs too. do i just start from http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/qemu-armel-image ?? Oct 05 09:54:30 hendry: follow most of the instructions on Mer/Build and you can pretty much copy /usr/bin/qemu into a mer armel image and apt-get install build-essential Oct 05 09:54:40 but OBS does make things a lot easier.. Oct 05 09:57:31 VDVsx: heya, sorry, battery suddenly died yesterday :( Oct 05 10:04:06 http://www.explosm.net/comics/1816/ Oct 05 10:07:01 wazd, *facepalm* Oct 05 10:07:03 :D Oct 05 10:08:18 Captain_Picard: *facepalm* Oct 05 10:15:52 http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg <- Captain_Picard Oct 05 10:19:05 lol Oct 05 10:30:11 Myrtti: http://media.photobucket.com/image/facepalm/BuckeyeDon/DoubleFacePalm.jpg Oct 05 10:30:16 Sho_: Oct 05 10:30:18 Shapeshifter: Oct 05 10:30:37 good one Oct 05 10:36:38 RST38h: Can your emulators accept Bluetooth controllers (Wiimote, etc...)? Oct 05 10:37:17 They accept LPT gamepads only) Oct 05 10:44:29 zerojay: as long as these pose as keyboards, yes Oct 05 10:46:55 RST38h, that means that I can use, my n810 (with D-PAD) as a controller for an N900 running your emus ;) Oct 05 10:47:35 VDVsx: You probably can but remember that HIDs lag on Maemo, at least in Diablo Oct 05 10:48:09 VDVsx: or you could tape your N810 to your N900 and have a makeshift Nintendo DS!@ Oct 05 10:48:26 wjt, lol Oct 05 10:49:44 RST38h, if it doesn't lag on Fremantle will be fine ;) Oct 05 10:49:51 wjt, http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG Oct 05 10:49:58 You can basicaly use any phone as a controller and n900 as a console Oct 05 10:50:03 haha Oct 05 10:50:05 i'm so behind the times Oct 05 10:54:31 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/excellent.png Oct 05 10:57:30 Stskeeps: nice? Oct 05 10:57:36 you running Mer :) Oct 05 10:58:23 (my apologies for stealing a panoramic background, only one i had in store..) Oct 05 11:02:08 VDVsx: There is no official HID support in Fremantle although unofficial support is there Oct 05 11:02:28 VDVsx: So, waiting for that Summit talk on how ot enable it (simply enabling bluez plugin apparently does not work) Oct 05 11:02:45 RST38h, seems to work ;) Oct 05 11:02:56 RST38h, there's a page in the wiki about ti Oct 05 11:02:57 *it Oct 05 11:03:32 RST38h, you only need to do two steps, enable the plugin and restart/start the bluez system Oct 05 11:24:27 does anyone remember by hard the link for VMWare images for Maemo5 SDK Oct 05 11:25:54 * RST38h scratches his hard Oct 05 11:26:36 ... Oct 05 11:26:58 i hope you mean head :) Oct 05 11:27:22 no, I meant heart :) Oct 05 11:27:34 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ might be correct one Oct 05 11:41:53 wazd: if you get bored, a mer theme panoramic background Oct 05 11:44:59 old maemo got fm radio doesn't it? can some app record it? Oct 05 11:55:12 <_berto_> did you guys see the N900 ad in the streets yet? :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/29913312@N04/3981191343/ Oct 05 11:55:48 I did, it chased me, and I barely got away. Oct 05 11:56:07 Where is that? Spain? Portugal? Oct 05 11:56:24 italy Oct 05 11:56:42 <_berto_> hehe Oct 05 11:56:48 its *somewhere* in the world, isnt that already 100% better marketing coverage than any other nokia tablet :D Oct 05 11:56:51 <_berto_> portugal Oct 05 11:57:24 woo, street marketing for a maemo device :) Oct 05 11:57:24 lcuk: True. Oct 05 11:57:57 Stskeeps, the reaction from people in london was amazing Oct 05 11:58:24 _berto_, ah, I thought that Galician was so much similar to Portuguese, lol Oct 05 11:59:12 <_berto_> VDVsx: well, in Galician it would be spelled exactly the same ;) Oct 05 11:59:41 <_berto_> VDVsx: so it could be in Galicia, if it wasn't for the fact that it would be very unusual to see a mobile phone advertised in Galician Oct 05 12:01:04 :) Oct 05 12:01:51 <_berto_> VDVsx: and the paving is clearly portuguese ;) Oct 05 12:03:38 is there any documentation on how to set up an apt repo suitable for publishing maemo (fremantle) packages? Oct 05 12:05:49 hmm, no flash 10 for maemo? Oct 05 12:08:18 t_s_o: that's in the hands of Adobe basically. Oct 05 12:08:43 true, i just spotted this: http://www.liliputing.com/2009/10/its-official-adobe-flash-10-1-to-support-nvidia-gpus-a-whole-slew-of-smartphones.html Oct 05 12:09:00 t_s_o: That is not even out? Oct 05 12:09:16 note the last section, talking about smartphone os's that will get flash 10 Oct 05 12:09:51 note also 'first half of 2010' Oct 05 12:09:58 We are not in the first half of 2010 yet. Oct 05 12:10:47 they say linux Oct 05 12:11:17 X-Fade: dput did not work again over the weekend. Same problem. Oct 05 12:11:50 X-Fade: As working dput has become more intermittent than non-working dput, maybe there is a solution for the latter? =) Oct 05 12:12:19 RST38h: Yes, Extras assistant Oct 05 12:12:30 RST38h: Although not for non-free atm. Oct 05 12:15:25 X-Fade: Urgh. Oct 05 12:15:36 And there are no plans to fix dput? Oct 05 12:17:47 RST38h: Sure there are. New hardware. Oct 05 12:17:54 RST38h: All listed in the bug about it. Oct 05 12:22:10 X-Fade: Why is it thought that "new hardware" will solve it Oct 05 12:22:11 ? Oct 05 12:22:27 * Jaffa mutters nasty things at libebook and libosso-abook Oct 05 12:23:49 Jaffa: Connections are being refused/dropped because of insane load on the machine. Oct 05 12:24:09 Jaffa: New server will be at least 32x more powerful. Oct 05 12:25:02 wooot - you are upgrading from 770 to N900? Oct 05 12:27:20 X-Fade: Cool Oct 05 12:27:50 jaffa, still not solved the multi field problem? Oct 05 12:41:36 lcuk we upgraded from 770 to N800 last year, remember? Oct 05 12:41:47 o_O oh yeah! Oct 05 12:43:26 X-Fade: Weird...Are people running so many dput sessions? Or is this same machine used for something else Oct 05 12:43:55 RST38h: The machine runs garage and repositories etc. Oct 05 12:44:07 Ah Oct 05 12:44:15 * RST38h will try at night =) Oct 05 12:44:16 RST38h: constant load over 10 .. on a good day. Oct 05 12:44:26 RST38h: Best luck is AM GMT. Oct 05 12:44:55 RST38h: Evenings are worst. Oct 05 12:44:59 how many cpus with a 10 load? :D Oct 05 12:48:49 frals you can have multiple cpus?? :-) Oct 05 12:50:00 hmm, how long until disney sues nokia for misuse of their intelectual property? Oct 05 12:53:09 konttori__, pin Oct 05 12:53:14 g Oct 05 12:53:59 got drm music from nokia music shop in my n85 which got fm transmitter, now n800 got fm-radio can i record it with some app? Oct 05 12:54:37 AndrewFBlack: pong Oct 05 12:55:19 thux: isnt it easier with lineout? Oct 05 12:55:58 konttori__, I know on all most all of my themes the bottom of the status icons up top gets cut off is that just a problem with themeing on os2008? Also is there a way to chance the white background on menus (See this post for screenshots of menu http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=339172&postcount=23) Oct 05 12:56:33 you can change menubg Oct 05 12:56:43 konttori__: does drm loud to transfer it out via usb? Oct 05 12:56:52 you can also force all dialogs full width Oct 05 12:57:00 thux: no idea Oct 05 12:57:10 ok must try Oct 05 12:58:20 thux: look up boafm, its a radio program with record ability... Oct 05 12:58:26 AndrewFBlack: looks like the max height is not big enough for your icons. its adjustable though Oct 05 12:58:38 t_s_o: thanx Oct 05 13:00:51 does maemo privde keychain-like facilities to safely store passwords for you own app? Oct 05 13:01:11 maemo5 I mean Oct 05 13:02:57 konttori__, where is max height adjustable at? Oct 05 13:03:53 Heya again Oct 05 13:04:10 Nokia 6300 is an epic phone) Oct 05 13:04:28 wazd: What was it this time? A trolley? Oct 05 13:04:43 konttori__, also I take it there isn't a place on template for menubg but I found it in the gtkrc file Oct 05 13:04:54 RST38h: dishwasher :D Oct 05 13:05:14 Oh. Shit. Sony Ericcsson has not survived that. Oct 05 13:05:44 hah Oct 05 13:07:15 Too bad that it's not mine( Oct 05 13:08:04 max height is in theme maker itself as well, but you can also find it in the matchbox theme file (if I remember correctly) Oct 05 13:08:32 TC_***HEIGHT Oct 05 13:08:36 or something like that Oct 05 13:08:38 * lcuk gets on his knees for penguinbait Oct 05 13:08:39 wazd: You can always try the trolley and possibley get a reason to buy n900 =) Oct 05 13:10:33 I can have as much reasons to buy n900 as I want - I can't afford it anyway :D Oct 05 13:11:03 I wonder how much each unit actually cost to manufacture? Oct 05 13:11:04 i told you wazd, red cross parcel! Oct 05 13:11:22 hola Oct 05 13:12:20 hello corecode ! Oct 05 13:12:33 lcuk: last time I received a red cross parcel there was food :D Oct 05 13:12:44 wazd: Did you sell the food? Oct 05 13:13:18 RST38h: nope, we ate it unfortunately :) Oct 05 13:13:33 n900 is full of goodness. 100% RDA of mobile computing needs. Oct 05 13:13:39 i was wondering if there are usable alternatives to the binary applications of nokia Oct 05 13:13:48 yeah if you want to write some :) Oct 05 13:14:10 i'm considering a n900, but in my experience the only thing i usually feel like improving are applications, and not the kernel Oct 05 13:14:19 so having an open source kernel doesn't buy me anything Oct 05 13:14:56 Unless 3 years down the road when nokia has moved on, there is a major security hole, which can't be fixed due to binary modules. Oct 05 13:15:04 (which I understand isn't the case) Oct 05 13:16:06 hey SpeedEvil Oct 05 13:16:48 as to applications, don't know Oct 05 13:17:16 ok Oct 05 13:17:39 now that doesn't help me at all deciding between a n900, some android or the palm pre Oct 05 13:17:43 :/ Oct 05 13:18:56 wazd: /msg Oct 05 13:20:58 konttori__, I have that max height set to 60 which makes the bar 60pixels it just doesn't make the cutout to show status bar big enough Oct 05 13:21:00 Well - comparing n900 to android or palm is utterly clear who is the more open Oct 05 13:21:05 the n900 is open, with a few closed bits Oct 05 13:21:28 You get root, you can install your own applications, you can send applications to friends, or sell them, or ... Oct 05 13:22:06 Applications run as native code (well, they can), so may be lots faster, ... Oct 05 13:22:23 The only freer platform than n900 is the OpenMoko Freerunner. Oct 05 13:22:33 And that's - well - not quite as polished :) Oct 05 13:22:44 it could be that the status bar is less than 60px Oct 05 13:22:52 and that's probably not modifiable then Oct 05 13:23:16 konttori__, why have i got 56 in my head Oct 05 13:23:49 android isn't exactly over-hostile against tinkerers, but it's not really intended for third party developers or encouraged hacking like maemo Oct 05 13:31:19 now that cyanoid has to stop distributing modded roms, android is even less sympathetic Oct 05 13:32:07 Shapeshifter, he can distruibute the modded roms just can't put google apps in it but he is working on a legit way to backup your google apps and restore them Oct 05 13:32:27 i know. Oct 05 13:33:22 are there other apps for the job? Oct 05 13:33:37 like a stand-alone, non-web-pased calendar Oct 05 13:33:41 (talking android now) Oct 05 13:34:17 SpeedEvil: i'm not so much after super-open, but every phone i had had problems one way or another which I could have fixed easily if i had the code Oct 05 13:35:14 sometimes its easier putting a bug report in (even with OSS projects) and letting those who know the codebase work hard at making the changes Oct 05 13:35:38 open source benefits because you can sometimes offer a hand and debug problem yourself to show better where the fault lies Oct 05 13:36:12 (round numbers) Oct 05 13:36:28 corecode, you say you can fix it - thats great, but without the support of the admins and maintainers your fix will benefit only 1 person ;) Oct 05 13:36:38 OpenMoko - you have 100% of the code. N900 - 90%, android - 70%, ... Oct 05 13:37:09 SpeedEvil: yah, but as first priority i want a working phone :), so no moko Oct 05 13:37:26 lcuk: i agree Oct 05 13:37:41 It works. It is not polished. Oct 05 13:37:45 lcuk: but just seeing how nokia has been avoiding this PAP authentication for WEP2 Oct 05 13:37:46 SpeedEvil: what was the percentage for Diablo, again? 80ish, IIRC? Oct 05 13:38:01 SpeedEvil: i've heard that the battery lasts not even a day Oct 05 13:38:14 * lcuk has lost his n900 Oct 05 13:38:19 anyone here work at ruoholahti? Oct 05 13:38:21 recently it's got a lot better than that Oct 05 13:38:25 and its not been on charge since early yesterday Oct 05 13:38:28 lcuk: ... oh dear. Oct 05 13:38:35 :/ Oct 05 13:38:36 ahhh, there it is Oct 05 13:38:43 all powered up and ready to go Oct 05 13:38:54 so you already have samples of the n900? Oct 05 13:39:03 doesn't seem to be available in germany yet Oct 05 13:39:13 you might drain the battery if you run hundreds of apps oor one goes awry, but on the whole this device is lasting nicely Oct 05 13:39:45 the n900? Oct 05 13:39:49 connected to 3g and bluetooth and wifi btw Oct 05 13:39:53 ok Oct 05 13:40:12 my e51 drains its battery in a day if it is on wifi, without doing anything Oct 05 13:40:30 lcuk: does it last a full day, from when you get up until you go to sleep? Oct 05 13:40:41 ccooke, i took it off charge yesterday Oct 05 13:41:14 its still alive now, i was doin some ssh stuff with it last night Oct 05 13:41:22 Okay, that sounds good enough :-) Oct 05 13:41:25 i took a couple of calls Oct 05 13:41:40 yeah, its doin just fine :) Oct 05 13:41:49 Although hell, I'm not really worried. I'm hoping it's better than my current HTC magic Oct 05 13:41:59 but I can cope with about the same Oct 05 13:42:19 alright Oct 05 13:42:32 so the n900 seems to be a good choice then Oct 05 13:43:49 doh! Oct 05 13:44:03 i was just thinking about an app to play a tune on device when you ping it Oct 05 13:44:24 but its as easy as picking up the home phone Oct 05 13:44:26 * lcuk rollseyes Oct 05 13:44:44 would still be good to find my 810 Oct 05 13:45:02 I'd prefer sshing in, making sure there's a TTS engine installed and then make it read aloud a set of plaintive cries for help Oct 05 13:45:29 lol Oct 05 13:45:46 "I'm lost. Can anyone hear me? Please help" etc Oct 05 13:45:53 we should do that for all nokia phones ;) "help, i need maemo!" Oct 05 13:46:14 ooh! Connect to the light detector: "It's dark in here" Oct 05 13:46:35 hmm Oct 05 13:46:45 it wouldn't be exactly impossible to write an app that would wait for "phone home" message, connect using whatever method (GSM/VoIP/etc) and getting speakerphone discussion going on Oct 05 13:46:47 turn on the flash, take a photo, identify the main colours visible. Oct 05 13:46:51 that could be fun... Oct 05 13:46:59 Alright, I need three more people that can confirm countdown-home works well... Oct 05 13:47:03 it might be pretty disturbing to anyone who doesn't figure out what's going on though Oct 05 13:47:12 omg no ccooke, it might take a picture from my pocket Oct 05 13:47:16 and theres a hole in it! Oct 05 13:47:16 kirma: that's a feature, not a bug Oct 05 13:47:24 lcuk: *cackle* Oct 05 13:47:32 of course, the SMS could be used to acquire approximate cell-based (if not GPS) location too Oct 05 13:47:41 fiferboy, its the final countdown! Oct 05 13:47:49 get the link to packages posted again Oct 05 13:47:54 better still: If you have two GPS-based devices: "Warmer. Warmer. No, colder" Oct 05 13:48:01 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9 Oct 05 13:48:05 btw fiferboy it needs someway to connect the day to the date Oct 05 13:48:20 lcuk: How do you mean? Oct 05 13:48:22 i made a new one today - it came up "monday blah blah" Oct 05 13:48:29 when i wanted to change it to wednesday Oct 05 13:48:33 i opened the date select Oct 05 13:48:43 and it showed 05 10 2009 Oct 05 13:48:47 which did not compute Oct 05 13:48:55 taking a photo with the front-facing camera might indeed be useful Oct 05 13:48:57 Yes, that is the built in HildonDateSelector Oct 05 13:49:00 * lcuk nods Oct 05 13:49:03 just saying Oct 05 13:49:14 also, logging from time to time if the device has been in motion Oct 05 13:49:14 I get where you are coming from Oct 05 13:49:18 i had to close it, work out which date it was Oct 05 13:49:19 then reopen Oct 05 13:49:34 a nice floaty calendar might work better Oct 05 13:49:38 showing when it thinks it is Oct 05 13:49:44 and you click to the new day you want Oct 05 13:49:54 but thats for another revision Oct 05 13:50:02 I wonder why the date selector was done in the three column model Oct 05 13:50:11 cos dates have 3 columns! Oct 05 13:50:24 Well, four if you count day of week Oct 05 13:50:38 But I guess that is not independant of the date Oct 05 13:50:42 but DOW is tied to day and month, its a meta column Oct 05 13:51:55 fiferboy, did you develop your bird app in qt for windows first Oct 05 13:53:05 It has a long and storied history. First it was PHP/MySql/html on a local lamp stack to run on my Zaurus, then Gtk/XML to run on my N810, now Qt/sqlite to run on anything Oct 05 13:53:35 but what do you develop it in Oct 05 13:53:40 and on which os Oct 05 13:54:01 I started developeing Qt in Linux in virtualbox, then switched to developing in Windows Oct 05 13:54:22 Now I have the same version that I compile in Windows, Linux, and scratchbox to run different places Oct 05 13:54:24 :D excellent Oct 05 13:54:28 are you bringing your laptop Oct 05 13:55:08 * GAN800 sighs. Oct 05 13:55:13 http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5265 Oct 05 13:55:21 bringing where? Oct 05 13:55:42 lcuk: I am bringing my wife's Linux laptop, I think Oct 05 13:55:56 I so hate wasting my time filling bugs for Nokia. Oct 05 13:56:40 gan: that was my experience for n800/n810 Oct 05 13:56:55 GAN: Suggestion: support HTML in Bugzilla comments =) Oct 05 13:56:58 lo timeless Oct 05 13:57:15 re user guide Oct 05 13:57:20

REOPENED

=) Oct 05 13:57:30 * timeless slaps rst38h Oct 05 13:57:32 GAN800, seems a bit trivial afaik :S Oct 05 13:57:34 hi stskeeps Oct 05 13:57:39 Take a little pride in your work. Oct 05 13:57:44 timeless, how is travel so far? Oct 05 13:57:46 did you grab my updated tarball? Oct 05 13:57:52 not yet Oct 05 13:58:03 good, i'm idling in prague for a bit Oct 05 13:58:10 * Stskeeps is knee high in presentation prep Oct 05 13:58:11 trying to decide where to go next Oct 05 13:58:16 lcuk, it's embarassing and it makes the platform look bad. Oct 05 13:58:24 * lcuk wades over to Stskeeps and gives him a bacon butty Oct 05 13:58:30 * lcuk wades back to his pile Oct 05 13:58:31 gan: how about you? Oct 05 13:58:36 does it bollocks Oct 05 13:59:03 it reads like legalese. Which, in a manual, is about what I'd expect Oct 05 13:59:13 * RST38h would like to ask everyone present: how many times have you read your N8x0 manual? What about N900? Oct 05 13:59:30 timeless: heard you ran into tomaszd - didnt realise you would be in same spot Oct 05 13:59:34 I read the n810 manual once, when I bought it. Oct 05 13:59:35 And if the number is in 0..1 range, then who gives a damn what the manual says? Oct 05 13:59:46 some people do read them Oct 05 13:59:55 timeless, tarball? Oct 05 13:59:55 And the percentage of those? Oct 05 13:59:59 yeah that was a pleasant surprise Oct 05 14:00:15 and anyway gan, maemo is MUCH More than just the code Oct 05 14:00:37 oh, hey. Flash is working properly again on Karmic. Oct 05 14:01:09 RST38h, problem is, lots more people will be doing so on the N900. Oct 05 14:01:14 damn phone.. dont battery low on me now. not at the hairdressers while waiting for wife. Oct 05 14:02:01 lcuk, a lot of people will be taking away a big impression from the manual. Oct 05 14:02:33 sts: you don't have a charger? Oct 05 14:02:38 yeah - "This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux." sounds perfectly valid to me Oct 05 14:02:45 Yeah, I agree, the manual has to be tip top. Oct 05 14:02:53 i charged my n900 in a sukkah here :) Oct 05 14:03:36 so you all would suggest getting a n900, as a personal organizer? Oct 05 14:04:13 corecode: well, some of us might. Most of us, I think, can't really comment on the PIM features yet Oct 05 14:04:29 very few people here have n900s Oct 05 14:04:30 corecode: What I've heard sounds good, but I've not seen it in action yet Oct 05 14:04:31 if you like native.. then over android or pre yes Oct 05 14:04:44 fewer still are trying to use the device as a pim Oct 05 14:04:45 screen isn't bad either Oct 05 14:04:59 * lcuk uses his n900 as VPIM Oct 05 14:05:00 lcuk: I can get at them if I go up to e_vcard_get_attributes() - but there's no Python binding for that. Oct 05 14:05:14 lcuk, it doesn't agree with Nokia's usual usage. Oct 05 14:05:22 vpim? Oct 05 14:05:24 argh!! is this a time when xcode or whatever the dynamic bit can come in Oct 05 14:05:35 lcuk, by that definition they'd be in the rms camp. Oct 05 14:05:35 very personal information manager. porn bookmarks etc lol Oct 05 14:05:43 oh, heh Oct 05 14:05:55 yeah for that it works Oct 05 14:06:01 GAN: People do not read manuals :( Oct 05 14:06:04 ... Oct 05 14:06:14 GAN: Especially if these are not printed on dead trees Oct 05 14:06:31 rst38h: then we shouldn't write one Oct 05 14:06:34 RST38h, no reason for it to look as shitty as it does, however. Oct 05 14:07:02 GAN: Maybe... Although it does not look all that bad to me. Worse cases ar eknown Oct 05 14:07:25 It seems fair that the community has to contribute a chapter on development Oct 05 14:07:39 It boggles my mind how apathetic Nokia is about the drivel they churn out. Oct 05 14:07:50 No need to let lawyers write that chapter, although they can check it afterwards Oct 05 14:07:54 RST38h, i like that idea Oct 05 14:08:14 even if its just in the wiki for now Oct 05 14:08:17 GAN: You are being wikipedian. It really matter much less than you think :) Oct 05 14:08:20 They could hire a half-dozen high-schoolers who could write clearer English. Oct 05 14:08:23 if it gets support it can be worked on Oct 05 14:09:01 * RST38h remembers some excerpts from Intel Arch References and smirks Oct 05 14:09:20 RST38h, it's embarassing and certainly not at all difficult to get right in the first place. Oct 05 14:09:37 You don't see shit like this from Apple. Oct 05 14:09:52 Presentation does matter. :) Oct 05 14:10:49 it's difficult given the messed up schedule we use Oct 05 14:11:22 i tend to get access to the doc after it's been translated Oct 05 14:11:41 GAN: Apple is different, the bend reality so that you do not see shit =) Oct 05 14:11:47 as such it's too expensive to fix Oct 05 14:11:58 But don't you worry, once you become iPhone software developer.... Oct 05 14:11:59 no, apple doesn't ship shit Oct 05 14:12:16 it only ships a limited number of shiny things Oct 05 14:12:35 smaller, but fewer edges all reasonably smoothed and polished Oct 05 14:14:03 http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/maemo-browser/ Oct 05 14:14:31 any good? Oct 05 14:14:39 Pretty nice. Oct 05 14:15:01 That is one tiny hand. Oct 05 14:15:11 * timeless hasn't seen or heard of that Oct 05 14:15:14 Really like the Future Crew - Second reality demo running in dashboard. Oct 05 14:15:39 Man, that brings back memories ;) Oct 05 14:15:41 * RST38h wishes maemo.nokia.com people reconsider the visual style of their site Oct 05 14:16:23 * GeneralAntilles officially hates Jon Reece Oct 05 14:16:47 heh Oct 05 14:17:09 Something warmer, more homely would be much better... Oct 05 14:17:33 it's nseries Oct 05 14:17:37 it has to be dark Oct 05 14:17:46 * timeless curses nseries Oct 05 14:18:41 why do people like the n-pad that much? it's always horribly jerky Oct 05 14:19:21 npad? Oct 05 14:19:41 d-pad for the 4th dimension? Oct 05 14:21:23 d-pad it is then Oct 05 14:21:41 that flat wobbly thing with bad tactile feedback Oct 05 14:21:56 d-pads don't inherently have bad tactile feel. Oct 05 14:22:15 and for the same reason people generally like having arrows on their keyboards. Oct 05 14:22:24 just nokia dpads :) Oct 05 14:25:35 * RST38h guesses nobody has tried Motorola dpad here... Oct 05 14:25:42 Like in Razr or Z8... Oct 05 14:26:09 I don't buy things I cannot pronounce. Oct 05 14:26:15 The thing that I find amusing: The n900 has a dpad. The n810 does not. That is: The n900 has a arrow keys in a D shape, which was the original definition of D-keys on the PC :-) Oct 05 14:26:58 N900 has no dpad per se Oct 05 14:27:10 OpenPandora has nice controls in that regard Oct 05 14:27:11 It has arrow buttons, which is ok with me BTW Oct 05 14:27:13 * GAN800 hits ctrl-l repeatedly in vain. :( Oct 05 14:27:16 I wonder how they're exposed to userland. Oct 05 14:27:23 luke: Got your Pandora already? Oct 05 14:27:33 the two keyboard arrow sets for the hard-keys perhaps, and 2 joysticks? Oct 05 14:27:42 RST38h: nope, not sure I'm going to get one even Oct 05 14:28:02 RST38h: unless I can hack in a cell phone Oct 05 14:28:08 Then the statementabout Pandora having nice controls is wrong =) Oct 05 14:28:16 RST38h: is it? Oct 05 14:28:27 the keypads are fabbed, if nothing else :p Oct 05 14:28:28 Yea, has to have a real Pandora shipping to people Oct 05 14:28:56 i'm going to wander around, see people later Oct 05 14:29:04 RST38h: you expect too much from vapourware Oct 05 14:29:15 * RST38h dismisses vapourware Oct 05 14:29:56 http://openpandora.org/images/stories/blog/finkeymat.jpg Oct 05 14:30:15 though I admit, I don't know if I like Alt/Ctrl being where they are Oct 05 14:30:29 on top of them being the wrong keys Oct 05 14:30:36 Select should be Tab, and Start should be Enter :p Oct 05 14:31:39 luke-jr: ... To be honest, that keypad looks much worse than the N900s for, say, unix apps Oct 05 14:32:44 Hmm. Or maybe as bad. Oct 05 14:32:48 ccooke: it doesn't appear to vary too much from my C760 kb, which proved itself to be the best I've used yet Oct 05 14:33:18 Disponibilité: Arrivage prévu Vendredi 30 Octobre Oct 05 14:33:23 grmblbl Oct 05 14:33:59 luke-jr: the large space between letters and numbers looks uncomfortable, to me Oct 05 14:34:14 luke-jr: and yeah, I can see myself hating the position of ctrl and alt Oct 05 14:34:23 ccooke: the large space is good :p Oct 05 14:34:36 the space is not large. Oct 05 14:34:43 it's the same size as the n900s Oct 05 14:34:51 ah Oct 05 14:34:55 http://www.brighthand.com/images/Sharp_Zaurus_R_1_L.jpg Oct 05 14:35:25 Oh, I know the Zaurii very well :-) Oct 05 14:35:35 I still have a 750, 3100 and 3200 Oct 05 14:36:19 Corsac: Is that a prevue of the N900 that arrives the 30th of OCt.? Oct 05 14:36:36 yes Oct 05 14:36:50 forget the n900 wait for a htc leo! Oct 05 14:37:03 1ghz, 4.3"!! Oct 05 14:37:08 Captain_Picard: is that a HTC Touch Pro 2 with Android? Oct 05 14:37:21 no its th htc with windows mobile :DD.... Oct 05 14:37:28 ... Oct 05 14:37:36 why that over TP2 then? Oct 05 14:37:46 bigger screen Oct 05 14:37:47 :O Oct 05 14:37:49 better processor Oct 05 14:37:49 512 MB RAM! Oct 05 14:38:02 Captain_Picard: you don Oct 05 14:38:07 Captain_Picard: you don't care about the OS tho? Oct 05 14:38:11 Yeah, Leo is the man Oct 05 14:38:20 IT has a nice screen, a nice processor and more RAM. But it's windows mobile and has no keyboard. I think I'll stick with the n900 :-) Oct 05 14:38:44 yeh, the problem is taht its windows mobile :\ Oct 05 14:38:55 cant they make maemo for it and add a qwerty Oct 05 14:39:00 WinMo kills it Oct 05 14:39:03 1ghz cpu solves all WM problems :) Oct 05 14:39:13 no keyboard? wtf Oct 05 14:39:15 useless Oct 05 14:39:22 And 512 ram Oct 05 14:39:37 did it have opengl 2.0 support? Oct 05 14:39:42 wazd: you mean it'll crash faster? :-) Oct 05 14:40:38 ccooke: when I was with Loox 720, I hadn't got much crashes Oct 05 14:41:04 You can't solve WM problems =) Oct 05 14:41:05 wazd: the 720 was awesome... I still have one with a broken screen :) Oct 05 14:41:17 * lcuk had an old loox Oct 05 14:42:28 wazd: yeah, I think some phones have bad builds and some don't. And since the operators decide on the SW build often enough, it's not even that simple Oct 05 14:42:31 * Jaffa listens to luovanto's music bands for the summit Oct 05 14:42:43 I hope some bastard still uses mine) Oct 05 14:42:52 I know I've heard about more crashes from winmo than any other two platforms combined, but I also know some people who've had no trouble Oct 05 14:43:28 ... But I'd rather gnaw my own fingers off than use any of the winmo interfaces I've tried day-to-day :-) Oct 05 14:43:48 don't talk to me about fingers Oct 05 14:44:03 hmm. crashing hasnt been the problem i've encountered/heard with winmo really. rather the ui and poor battery etc Oct 05 14:45:02 Well, Nokia managed to slip the date past the Summit. Oct 05 14:45:14 Looks like they'll be talking about Harmattan when hardly anybody has used Fremantle. Oct 05 14:45:15 Good job@ Oct 05 14:45:28 glass: poor battery? compared to *other* smartphones? or is it just that winmo got a big chunk of the lower-end smartphone market very quickly and nobody knew what to expect? Oct 05 14:45:50 GeneralAntilles: surprised? Oct 05 14:45:58 ccooke: poor battery as in it not going to sleep properly without user interaction etc Oct 05 14:46:06 ... oh god. Oct 05 14:46:08 ccooke: i had a qtek9000 for a while Oct 05 14:46:11 That's stupid. Oct 05 14:46:34 GeneralAntilles, bah, Eldar already has Harmattan ;) Oct 05 14:46:49 ccooke: and really none of the winmos have been really in lowend smartphone category as far as pricing without subbing goes.. Oct 05 14:47:06 ccooke, a bit. Oct 05 14:47:17 ccooke, they moved the original date of the Summit back, even. Oct 05 14:47:36 glass: pricing without subbing doesn't matter. The mass market only pay subsidised prices. Oct 05 14:47:53 ccooke: it matters if you count them to low end.. Oct 05 14:47:55 Public transit strike in Amsterdam on the 7th. Oct 05 14:47:55 Fun Oct 05 14:48:26 GeneralAntilles: planning on being there on the 7th? Oct 05 14:48:40 wazd: pdadb.net says Leo is only 320 MB RAM Oct 05 14:48:55 * ccooke wonders how many people will be around on Thursday. Looks like he'll be in Amsterdam from around 13:00ish with nothing much to do Oct 05 14:49:13 ccooke, nope! Oct 05 14:49:56 luke-jr: well, anyway :) Oct 05 14:50:14 ccooke: There are some interesting museums. Oct 05 14:51:00 SpeedEvil: I've been to a couple of them before. And I'm told to avoid the Vodka museum at all costs Oct 05 14:51:10 SpeedEvil: (because it wasn't actually very good, apparently) Oct 05 15:11:21 * lcuk2 curses random dc Oct 05 15:38:22 anyone run in to this: Oct 05 15:38:59 W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' Oct 05 15:39:15 I get this error when trying apt-get update under scratchbox Oct 05 15:45:01 does fremantle provide a facility to store passwords safely? In my app I need to store a password, do I need to take care of that myself, or is there some "keychain" thing? Oct 05 15:59:25 GeneralAntilles: got it Oct 05 16:08:43 Shapeshifter: From what I've seen, you just shove 'em in gconf. I've not seen any keychain being used. Oct 05 16:21:24 scalpers suck Oct 05 16:22:02 i think i was ripped off for about 2000% of actually ticket prices Oct 05 16:22:49 oh, and european countries/their opera houses which don't have decent signage to their box offices also suck Oct 05 16:22:57 arggggggg Oct 05 16:23:05 transportation strike!!! Oct 05 16:23:12 * qwerty12 gets his mouse trap ready Oct 05 16:23:16 london? Oct 05 16:23:16 Oct 7 in Amsterdam Oct 05 16:23:20 7th not 8th Oct 05 16:23:28 yeah but may bleed over Oct 05 16:23:38 so, safe unless they like it so much that they decide to continue Oct 05 16:23:39 and some arrive on the 7th Oct 05 16:23:46 right Oct 05 16:23:51 which could happen Oct 05 16:23:51 err, a transportation strike in the netherlands would suck Oct 05 16:23:56 evening texrat Oct 05 16:23:56 yes Oct 05 16:24:02 hey Carsten Oct 05 16:24:06 morning ;) Oct 05 16:25:02 rm_me Oct 05 16:25:36 I wish the folks at the co-creation get together the best of luck. :P Oct 05 16:25:50 yeah Oct 05 16:26:36 trail mix bar for lunch, oh yum Oct 05 16:26:42 rm_RST Oct 05 16:26:47 GeneralAntilles: so yeah, i got it Oct 05 16:26:55 GeneralAntilles, you made a typo ;) Oct 05 16:26:56 GeneralAntilles: with luck should have a working applet for the summit Oct 05 16:27:06 cool GA Oct 05 16:27:06 General: Have they figured out who will participate? Oct 05 16:27:07 thanks tho :D Oct 05 16:27:13 s/luck/lcuk/ Oct 05 16:27:14 rm_you| meant: GeneralAntilles: with lcuk should have a working applet for the summit Oct 05 16:27:20 RST38h, dunno, haven't be paying attention. Oct 05 16:27:21 :P Oct 05 16:27:24 sup lcuk Oct 05 16:27:40 I wonder why people are bitching about the size of the N900 after carrying N810s and N800s. Oct 05 16:27:57 hehe Oct 05 16:28:04 bitching it's too big? Oct 05 16:28:04 i thought people were saying it was too SMALL Oct 05 16:28:09 ^ Oct 05 16:28:10 are they complaining it's large now? :P Oct 05 16:28:14 They have not been carrying n8x0s. They now will carry n900s Oct 05 16:28:17 that would be nuts Oct 05 16:28:19 Them being phones etc Oct 05 16:28:26 Well, people love to bitch about things, apparently. Oct 05 16:28:26 point Oct 05 16:28:39 I like to bitch about people bitching Oct 05 16:28:40 RST38h, +1 Oct 05 16:28:44 But in fact, n900 is about the size and weight of HTC Dimaond2 Pro Oct 05 16:28:45 eiffel seems to be simultaneously bitching about being too large and too small. Oct 05 16:28:50 lol Oct 05 16:28:55 haha Oct 05 16:28:56 Yes, hefty, but not unberably so Oct 05 16:29:07 People should probably just STFU until they can get their hands on one. Oct 05 16:29:12 General: Keyword is "bitching" Oct 05 16:29:16 * Stskeeps glances at his first presentation Oct 05 16:29:51 Due to an unfortunate typographical error, the n900 in fact has a 35" screen, and weighs 87Kg. Oct 05 16:30:08 and is called britney Oct 05 16:30:11 And you have to bring your own water and coal Oct 05 16:30:22 hahaha SpeedEvil Oct 05 16:30:38 it is when you plug it into your tv Oct 05 16:30:39 I actually made an internal combustion powered laptop plugin. Oct 05 16:31:01 I am holding out for stretchy screens Oct 05 16:31:27 A .049" R/C engine, a little motor to generate ~50W or so, all inside an old battery shell. And fuel tank and exhaust. Oct 05 16:31:33 stretchy rubbery tactile feedback screen Oct 05 16:31:37 yes Oct 05 16:31:41 it did in fact work - but was perhaps not very usable. Oct 05 16:31:43 actually, it does not have to show image Oct 05 16:31:46 and smells like cinnamon Oct 05 16:31:59 that brings about uncomfortable thoughts of heavy set people with lycra advertisements stretched around their gut Oct 05 16:32:07 thanks for that Oct 05 16:32:08 hmmmmmmm Oct 05 16:32:17 no stretchy screens please! Oct 05 16:32:27 :p Oct 05 16:32:31 TeleMaemo's here we go! Oct 05 16:32:36 lol Oct 05 16:33:09 remember the clothes with keyboard? screens are next! Oct 05 16:33:26 teletubbies Oct 05 16:33:36 they were there first Oct 05 16:33:36 need some sort of crack for the battery though... Oct 05 16:33:41 now, brought to you with open source Oct 05 16:33:52 Anyone thought of sending MMS messages through web gateways? Oct 05 16:34:00 all the time Oct 05 16:34:39 Why not implement a sharing extension for Maemo5 that does this? This will equate to half the MMS support Oct 05 16:35:38 texrat: bored enough to see a snapshot of my first talk? Oct 05 16:35:56 interested enough, sure Oct 05 16:37:38 texrat: sent to you by mail Oct 05 16:37:50 hate job. going insane. must be talked out of quitting. Oct 05 16:37:58 ok Oct 05 16:38:07 texrat: Quit and you have less money for toys. Oct 05 16:38:19 hell I have none now Oct 05 16:38:22 * Stskeeps glances at fremantle desktop on his n800 and grins a bit Oct 05 16:38:23 texrat: Quit and have more time to play with your tablets Oct 05 16:38:37 current salary = $20,000 less per year than with Nokia Oct 05 16:38:53 and boss = pain in ass Oct 05 16:39:10 texrat, quit and you have less money for food. :P Oct 05 16:39:12 whole organization is pathological Oct 05 16:39:24 I've stocked up GA :p Oct 05 16:39:32 Guns and Ammo? Oct 05 16:39:34 Give it 6 months or a year for everything to go in the toilet or the economy to recover. Oct 05 16:39:41 food and ziplocs Oct 05 16:39:54 I can't work here another week Oct 05 16:40:03 texrat: Quit and have more time to prepare for the Maemo Summit Oct 05 16:40:03 it is really becoming a struggle Oct 05 16:40:08 lol Oct 05 16:40:25 time: the unattainable commodity Oct 05 16:40:41 I would change my handle to "timeless" but it's taken Oct 05 16:41:18 texrat: Is it OCD of me to object to you not being "Texrat"? Oct 05 16:41:29 eh Oct 05 16:41:33 yes? Oct 05 16:41:35 Yes, Jaffa hates Texans Oct 05 16:41:43 I'm not a Texan Oct 05 16:41:47 Californian Oct 05 16:41:58 dad was Canadian Oct 05 16:42:03 Yes, Jaffa hates people living in the State of Texas Oct 05 16:42:05 Poor guy Oct 05 16:42:07 ah Oct 05 16:42:08 /nick Texrat Oct 05 16:42:15 :p Oct 05 16:42:17 texrat: Assuming you're *the* Texrat, your tmo usename is capitalised differently. Oct 05 16:42:21 Jaffa, I was getting ticks. :P Oct 05 16:42:27 Canadians. They cross the border and walk among us unnoticed. Oct 05 16:42:27 it's me Oct 05 16:42:36 lol RST! Oct 05 16:42:59 Canadar Oct 05 16:43:01 I don't get hung up on the caps thing, although I know it's part of Linux religion Oct 05 16:43:23 texrat: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/job_became_completely_humiliating?utm_source=b-section Oct 05 16:43:31 * GeneralAntilles loads up on consumables for the flight(s). Oct 05 16:43:34 ooo I love the onion Oct 05 16:43:49 good idea GA, I packed a bunch of cereal bars Oct 05 16:44:04 texrat: Your nick is your online identity. I like mine to be consistent. Oct 05 16:44:10 feh Oct 05 16:44:27 I like mine to be whatever I'm in the mood for Oct 05 16:44:46 I am ADD, hear me ramble! Oct 05 16:44:52 texrat, digital consumables. ;) Oct 05 16:44:56 ah Oct 05 16:45:12 But, yeah, I made some granola bars. Oct 05 16:45:19 cool Oct 05 16:45:40 I haven't managed to find store-bought ones that don't have high fructose corn syrup. Oct 05 16:45:46 texrat, did you saw my e-mail about the summit ? Oct 05 16:45:47 yeah Oct 05 16:45:47 god my arms hurt after playing wii sports for 4hrs, it should come with a warning! Oct 05 16:45:56 not yet Valerio Oct 05 16:46:16 I am loading up on tunes GA-- have you heard Nighwish's "Amaranth"? Oct 05 16:46:22 Nightwish* Oct 05 16:46:30 man those guys rock Oct 05 16:46:34 frals, I believe the jazzercising person in the pictogram they show you may have something to say about that. Oct 05 16:46:38 texrat, you should check the council mail more often :) Oct 05 16:46:45 texrat, probably, though I don't recall off-hand. Oct 05 16:46:56 hard to do due to my job but I'm trying to do what I can Oct 05 16:47:05 * Stskeeps still wonders who'll end up chair Oct 05 16:47:16 * texrat votes Valerio Oct 05 16:47:18 GeneralAntilles: thats the one when you boot the console? 4hrs later you forget that, bad design! ;) Oct 05 16:47:39 Stskeeps, that's surprise :) Oct 05 16:47:53 VDVsx: you're going to make penguinbait do all the hard work? big surprise ;p Oct 05 16:47:54 They aren't going to tell us. Oct 05 16:47:58 We'll just have to guess. Oct 05 16:48:28 Stskeeps, oh yeah, lol Oct 05 16:48:33 Texrat, I can never manage to par down my music library far enough to load up stuff onto a portable. Oct 05 16:48:38 I'm at 150GB right now. Oct 05 16:48:41 Valerio, I see a lot of emails from you... what subject Oct 05 16:49:00 GA I just keep a changing subset on devices Oct 05 16:49:17 Texrat, set your mail client to mark all emails to mailto:council@maemo.orghttp://maemo.org in red. :P Oct 05 16:49:18 someone should write a program that takes your last.fm statistics and loads it onto a device. Oct 05 16:49:39 texrat, well, most of them are already outdate for sure Oct 05 16:49:51 the important one is : maemo summit presentation Oct 05 16:50:12 Haha Oct 05 16:50:30 You guys will have to get penguinbait with a "long walks on the beach" joke. ;) Oct 05 16:50:33 * Jaffa assumes, from the lack of email, that the new council decided against keeping the old council on council@ for a transitional period. If so, I apologise for GA's porn newsletter subscription Oct 05 16:50:50 Jaffa, I don't think anybody decided it just ended up happening that way. Oct 05 16:51:10 and who wouldn't want my awesome porn newsletter? Oct 05 16:51:10 GeneralAntilles, true Oct 05 16:51:15 I mean, qwerty12 loves it. Oct 05 16:51:26 I said yes to this, but never happened it seems Oct 05 16:51:28 Now, what did my possessive mean - one you produce, or one you're subscribed to ;-) Oct 05 16:51:38 GA, having problems with email-- I keep changing it to texrat@ovi.com but the system won't save it. Need to file a bug I guess. But using http client, no formatting Oct 05 16:51:40 I'm not on the Council, but hey, please, subscribe me to this newsletter Oct 05 16:53:02 * texrat subscribes qwerty12 to donkey love newsletter Oct 05 16:53:21 * GeneralAntilles notes his "expedited" passport isn't here yet. :\ Oct 05 16:53:30 texrat: already subscribed to that Oct 05 16:53:35 ... Oct 05 16:54:18 damn lunch almost over Oct 05 16:54:21 mornin internets Oct 05 16:54:33 only getting to talk because boss is out... she is such a micromanager Oct 05 16:54:53 I have GOT to get back inside the mothership Oct 05 16:55:04 * qwerty12 gives texrat a gun: Make sure she STAYS out Oct 05 16:55:11 ... Oct 05 16:55:27 this place really sucks... mismanagement hell Oct 05 16:55:39 IT is 10 years behind the times Oct 05 16:55:52 you guys would laugh at our intranet "portal" Oct 05 16:56:00 a page of links :rolleyes: Oct 05 16:56:23 no rss, no widgets Oct 05 16:56:41 and apparently no budget to enter the modern world Oct 05 16:57:19 Still not feeling sorry you Oct 05 16:57:19 =for Oct 05 16:57:22 thanks Oct 05 16:57:25 *+ Oct 05 16:57:27 gah Oct 05 16:57:36 it IS better than unemployment.. I think Oct 05 16:57:47 hell I feel sorry for my co-workers Oct 05 16:58:57 Carsten, got your presentation, will review later Oct 05 16:59:41 Jaffa: I see. allright. Oct 05 17:00:35 texrat: k Oct 05 17:01:07 Got mine down to 8 minutes, so 3 more to shave off Oct 05 17:01:29 or I will have to talk at California speed Oct 05 17:02:23 Do it Texas-style, with a slow Texan drawl Oct 05 17:02:35 hell even I don't talk that way Oct 05 17:02:53 Canadian dad + California birth = no drawl Oct 05 17:03:09 heh Oct 05 17:03:22 no one can place my accent...lol Oct 05 17:03:26 mom was Texan Oct 05 17:03:34 is Oct 05 17:06:33 * Stskeeps sits down and looks at hildon-desktop source code. Oct 05 17:08:47 californian speed of talking? Oct 05 17:08:49 what's that hehe Oct 05 17:11:15 texrat: Eh? Oct 05 17:12:03 7 weeks is not expedited by any sane definition. Oct 05 17:12:30 aSIMULAter, what would you do on your long weekends Oct 05 17:13:00 i'd do nothing Oct 05 17:13:01 cause i'm boring like that Oct 05 17:14:10 lcuk: so see you in a few days then :) Oct 05 17:14:54 indeed :) Oct 05 17:15:06 * lcuk is lookin forward to it all more than ever Oct 05 17:15:19 tho aSIMULAter i seem to have gotten myself in another presentation! Oct 05 17:15:22 asimulator it means talking fast Oct 05 17:15:35 i unfortunately had a valley girl accent :/ Oct 05 17:15:39 the Push N900 one :D Oct 05 17:15:48 but i think living 10 years outside of california has washed that wretched accent away :P Oct 05 17:15:54 cool i'll watch the presentation Oct 05 17:16:14 Do you also have it in Finnish? Oct 05 17:16:16 just no more talk of tight shirts though please :p Oct 05 17:16:31 ugh lordy i would shoot myself when i end up having a finnish accent Oct 05 17:16:40 hey Oct 05 17:16:51 some of those Finnish girls sound very-- nevermind Oct 05 17:16:51 Heh Oct 05 17:17:07 http://www.thetoyzone.com/2009/blog/15-most-painful-shoes-ever-created/ !!!! Oct 05 17:17:28 Brazilian accents are the best though... Oct 05 17:17:42 well gotta give them props though, most of the young generation speaks english Oct 05 17:17:50 even though majority of it is broken english it's still easy to comprehend Oct 05 17:18:07 heck I had no trouble communicating with anyone in Helsinki Oct 05 17:18:16 I was so embarassed at only speaking English Oct 05 17:18:21 humbling Oct 05 17:18:30 most of them are trilingual Oct 05 17:18:34 right Oct 05 17:18:36 finnish, swedish, english Oct 05 17:18:40 yes Oct 05 17:18:44 aSIMULAter: You have to go to .TW to find out what broken english is Oct 05 17:18:55 after 2 trips there I got around like a native it was so easy Oct 05 17:18:55 Finns have got perfect English in comparison Oct 05 17:18:59 ok fair enough asian countries can have broken english convos :P Oct 05 17:19:08 the cork sandal looks comfy Oct 05 17:19:27 ladies do the strangest thing to their feet :'( Oct 05 17:19:48 though then again, i think tht finland has been more heavily influenced by american culture than some asian countries Oct 05 17:19:54 hence the ability to learn english quicker Oct 05 17:20:10 I do like long walks on the beach Oct 05 17:20:10 hey ;) Oct 05 17:20:18 high heels i don't even bother Oct 05 17:20:42 penguinbait: you and GeneralAntilles should get together, in that case Oct 05 17:20:43 penguinbait, as long as i dont have to hold your hand, its cool :D Oct 05 17:20:50 heh Oct 05 17:21:03 Who knows, you may even give him ideas for his newsletter ;P Oct 05 17:21:21 I see you subscribed qwerrty Oct 05 17:21:32 sicko ! Oct 05 17:21:32 Well, of course :) Oct 05 17:25:00 so many people already have an n900, so many videos, so much stuff, but it's not coming out for another month :| Oct 05 17:25:16 can't ... wait ... any ... longer... Oct 05 17:25:20 You don't want it to come up with broken firmware? Oct 05 17:25:39 that can be fixed even after the release ;) Oct 05 17:27:02 @shapeshifter: and usually is! Oct 05 17:27:21 any ideas what might still be broken? Though I think one month before release the product is pretty much finished anyway. I'm really wondering about the figures, how many devices have already been fabricated hardware wise. Generally in such a production process. Guessing that there already are quite a few devices made, just waiting for firmare flashing Oct 05 17:27:39 well, we found some crazy last minute stuff with N800 Oct 05 17:27:54 like the fact the reflective material behind LCD was too thin Oct 05 17:28:20 I have no idea how this works, productions of such a device. Oct 05 17:28:30 I was running environmental tests less than a month before launch Oct 05 17:28:39 we cut it VERY close Oct 05 17:28:42 texrat: too thin? Oct 05 17:28:45 yes Oct 05 17:28:45 me neither - i always assumed the hardware was done well ahead of the launch date Oct 05 17:28:51 but seems ive might been mistaken :P Oct 05 17:28:52 warped under bright sun Oct 05 17:28:54 texrat: what did this cause? Oct 05 17:28:58 oh Oct 05 17:29:00 Shapeshifter: generally there will be both rampups in production volume, and some piles of hardware being produced Oct 05 17:29:01 ^ Oct 05 17:29:14 also we had HUGE failures with rotating camera Oct 05 17:29:17 embarassing Oct 05 17:29:24 just before launch to CES Oct 05 17:29:30 it did not look very reliable to begin with Oct 05 17:29:31 I can't provide details Oct 05 17:29:37 you don't want too big a pile of devices, from a long production run, you want to be able to build devices rapidly Oct 05 17:29:46 it was an awkward mechanism, prone to failure Oct 05 17:29:57 solved now :) Oct 05 17:30:00 yeah, we did a lot of JIT Oct 05 17:30:20 you guys should have seen our production Oct 05 17:30:26 amazing speed Oct 05 17:30:28 Because having a large pile of devices doesn't help - unles it's large enough to do 3 months stock Oct 05 17:30:33 900 phones down the line per hour Oct 05 17:30:40 texrat: >.> Oct 05 17:30:58 you need enough stock to buffer orders, and the ability to ramp up production volumes rapidly Oct 05 17:31:09 texrat, any contacts to get a tour of a factory? Oct 05 17:31:09 yeah, we had FRUs for that Oct 05 17:31:16 factory is closed Oct 05 17:31:34 dang Oct 05 17:31:40 i saw this a coupld of weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHuDvVa7mkw Oct 05 17:31:44 I lost that job, then got on with another division, then lost that job, then got on with global, then lost THAT job this year Oct 05 17:31:54 intelligent assembly line robots - each doing the best they can Oct 05 17:31:59 feh Oct 05 17:32:07 feh indeed Oct 05 17:32:08 few robots in Nokia Oct 05 17:32:22 temp workers mostly Oct 05 17:32:25 humans are intelligent robots :) Oct 05 17:32:30 hire and fire as needed Oct 05 17:32:42 http://singularityhub.com/2009/09/15/someone-made-a-flexpicker-out-of-legos-nutty-video/ Oct 05 17:32:44 :) Oct 05 17:32:46 * lcuk nods Oct 05 17:32:52 and this does not cause problems with quality? Oct 05 17:33:02 yeah I've seen the lego assembly line stuff, very cool Oct 05 17:33:13 @RST38h it *can* Oct 05 17:33:21 but we monitored process-- my job Oct 05 17:33:22 Not really. you do rigourous QC, and then shoot all the workers that made a defective part. Oct 05 17:33:23 SpeedEvil, !!!! Oct 05 17:33:27 lol Oct 05 17:33:43 we had an impressive operation... should not have closed Oct 05 17:34:40 what devices did you handle? Oct 05 17:34:45 /componetns Oct 05 17:36:12 What happened after warping reflective layer? Oct 05 17:36:19 Folks, do you also agree that a request to provide Adobe AIR for Maemo5 is better handled in Brainstorm than in Bugzilla? Oct 05 17:36:27 * andre__ wondering what to do with that bug report... Oct 05 17:36:38 Unless it caused the scrolling failure mode, I guess you succeeded at fixing it :P Oct 05 17:36:38 it is best handled by Praying Oct 05 17:36:59 but even then the chances are low Oct 05 17:36:59 What IS brainstorm? Oct 05 17:37:00 andre__, probably pointless to include it in either place. Oct 05 17:37:01 yeah, but god is out of scope when it comes to maemo Oct 05 17:37:07 andre__, not sure what's the Brainstorm. Oct 05 17:37:16 s/the/to/ Oct 05 17:37:16 GeneralAntilles meant: andre__, not sure what's to Brainstorm. Oct 05 17:37:21 http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ ? Oct 05 17:37:38 * ShadowJK waits for browser to start Oct 05 17:37:44 GeneralAntilles, that's what i also think, but brainstorm at least can be used to propose different solutions how to attack this Oct 05 17:37:52 lcuk: I handled 770, N800 and CDMA phones Oct 05 17:37:56 there are no different solution Oct 05 17:38:06 Nokia needs to talk to Adobe. Oct 05 17:38:10 there is only one solution and Nokia probably won't do it until Harmattan Oct 05 17:38:11 Yep Oct 05 17:38:13 I think that's about the only viable option. Oct 05 17:38:26 hmm. now how i do put this into nice, warm words? :-P Oct 05 17:38:27 Or the reporter needs to go beg Adobe. Oct 05 17:38:37 andre:you do not Oct 05 17:38:50 beggind adobe is useless Oct 05 17:39:03 well there is one way Oct 05 17:39:23 track down someone from the technical team working on Air-Arm at Adobe. Ask THAT guy Oct 05 17:39:25 Tell them to go look at JavaScript or something. Oct 05 17:39:27 id say refering to brainstorm and dropping a hint he needs to get a brown tongue and know someone at adobe ;) Oct 05 17:39:29 Give him an N900 Oct 05 17:39:40 Get friendly Oct 05 17:39:44 Atheists would say God hears your prayers more than Adobe Oct 05 17:39:51 So that the insider guy pushes your project through Oct 05 17:39:56 Or maybe he should just learn C. ;) Oct 05 17:40:07 ShadowJK: Yes, but have you tried sssacrificccce? =) Oct 05 17:40:25 zerojay, ping? Oct 05 17:40:40 The insider solution is the only one I can think about and it does not involve Nokia Oct 05 17:40:54 Did anybody propose a package tracking widget? Oct 05 17:41:11 someone proposed a widget widget Oct 05 17:41:40 lcuk, glxgears! Oct 05 17:41:59 GeneralAntilles: duct-tape the n900 onto a package, and do the GPS thing? Oct 05 17:42:19 RST38h: there is of course the trivially obvious nokia involving solution. Oct 05 17:42:36 Speed: Nothing involving Nokia is trivial Oct 05 17:42:36 vodka and sauna? Oct 05 17:42:42 RST38h: nokia turns up at adobe HQ with a large suitcase of used bills. Oct 05 17:42:50 SpeedEvil, nah, ship the N900 before you ship the real package and assume that your benchmark will apply. Oct 05 17:42:52 Not gonna happen Oct 05 17:43:16 RST38h: how do you turn off composite mode for the new desktop? as in, from code Oct 05 17:46:39 Sts: I really do not know: have not done anything desktop-friendly yet Oct 05 17:46:49 k Oct 05 17:46:52 * RST38h either creates a GtkImage or bangs the fb0 Oct 05 17:47:08 Do you use protection? Oct 05 17:47:59 lol Oct 05 17:48:10 qwerty12_N810, your mind is always in the gutter Oct 05 17:48:31 It lives there Oct 05 17:49:10 qwerty: I flush on exit. Oct 05 17:49:10 * GeneralAntilles 's $10-for-4 CA-101s are here. Oct 05 17:50:06 so, i love this: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ Oct 05 17:50:25 the way that none of the links go anywhere is amazingly useful Oct 05 17:50:55 lol Oct 05 17:51:10 hmm Oct 05 17:51:13 they used to work Oct 05 17:51:14 :D Oct 05 17:51:20 What they're trying to tell you is that you should already know you stupid git. :P Oct 05 17:51:21 maemo 5 sdk release near? Oct 05 17:51:40 Better be out by the Summit. Oct 05 17:51:45 someone updated the links but didnt upload the new folder Oct 05 17:51:56 during the summit most likely Oct 05 17:51:56 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/ Oct 05 17:52:13 * frals hopes that sign the final sdk lands *soon* Oct 05 17:52:16 thanks frals Oct 05 17:52:20 thats a sign* Oct 05 17:52:35 Is Stargate Universe worth watching or is it the same shit? Oct 05 17:52:59 it's worse imo Oct 05 17:53:02 dunno, after 10 seasons of SG1 and five seasons of Atlantis and four movies, i probably need to watch it anyway <_< Oct 05 17:53:06 i've put enough time in Oct 05 17:53:20 simula: is it possible? Oct 05 17:54:07 the new show is way more of a tragedy... so slow and so much crying Oct 05 17:54:09 heh Oct 05 17:54:36 Are main characters dying from the very start, Japanese style? Oct 05 17:54:53 I am just gearing up for Zombieland Oct 05 17:54:56 lol rm_you Oct 05 17:55:05 i think just one person dies, but they spend like 5 minutes on it Oct 05 17:55:10 Oh, crap, I'm going to see that today. Oct 05 17:55:12 zombieland is sweet Oct 05 17:55:37 Stskeeps: Total guess, but you may need to play with the_HILDON_NON_COMPOSITED_WINDOW XAtom... Oct 05 17:56:05 qwerty12_N810: k Oct 05 17:56:27 moo wazd Oct 05 17:56:53 reheya again :) Oct 05 17:56:56 Stskeeps: Not a guess, then: http://www.mailfunnel.org/maemo-commits@maemo.org/2009-06/msg00004.html ;) Oct 05 17:57:04 Changelog says it all. Oct 05 17:57:41 wazd: I started stepping through TI73 ROM in TI-supplied simulator. Oct 05 17:58:06 wazd: The weird part is, it DOES go into 0xFFs from the very start. So I am doing something wrong later Oct 05 17:59:08 lcuk: :P Oct 05 18:00:13 i think z4chh has the entire lot on continuous loop Oct 05 18:01:42 RST38h: should I draw a faceplate for ti73? Oct 05 18:05:32 what are you talking about with TIs all the time ? Oct 05 18:06:56 Shapeshifter, they are building a deathstar Oct 05 18:07:03 ^^ Oct 05 18:07:04 and it needs figthers Oct 05 18:07:08 +sp Oct 05 18:07:47 in this galaxy, theres a group of TI emulators Oct 05 18:09:49 Shapeshifter, Texas Instruments calculators. Oct 05 18:09:59 GeneralAntilles: I know what they are Oct 05 18:10:12 OK, then ATI85 emulator. Oct 05 18:10:26 so, you're writing an emulator for the ti73? Oct 05 18:10:38 No, it's already been written. ;) Oct 05 18:10:46 ah "almost ti" Oct 05 18:11:06 mh, but it doesn't do ti89/92 Oct 05 18:11:21 :shrugs: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/ Oct 05 18:11:24 Better than nothing. Oct 05 18:11:34 RST38h, needs new screenshots. Oct 05 18:12:11 tiemu does them http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtktiemu/files/ Oct 05 18:12:38 http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/screenshots.html rather Oct 05 18:13:03 TiEmu does not run with the best of speeds on an N8x0. Feel free to port it if you need TI89/92 emulation Oct 05 18:13:23 i see Oct 05 18:15:10 hrmrm Oct 05 18:15:11 rmrmrm Oct 05 18:15:34 you! Oct 05 18:15:42 i like how their APIs are always missing just enough information that i can't do what i need to do without reverse engineering something <_< Oct 05 18:19:45 actually, i LOVE nokia Oct 05 18:20:02 Nokia HATE you Oct 05 18:20:11 their incompetence sometimes gives me an excuse to visit berlin, copenhagen, and amsterdam :P Oct 05 18:20:12 :) Oct 05 18:22:08 What are your favorite positions when loving Nokia? Oct 05 18:22:24 * RST38h ducks Oct 05 18:22:29 lol Oct 05 18:22:39 RST38h, assuming the position? Oct 05 18:22:42 rofl Oct 05 18:23:12 who knows, maybe now they are intentionally making tasks like changing the brightness difficult just to give me something to do :P Oct 05 18:24:12 I'm surprised Nokia didn't just leave this in DSME... I mean, surely, changing the brightness can't be a trade secret? Oct 05 18:24:22 Hi Oct 05 18:24:58 actually it's probably that everything gets bogged down in ridiculous specifications that they can't do anything about Oct 05 18:25:30 (the reason i somewhat dread working for a large company) Oct 05 18:26:00 thats half the game tho rm_you Oct 05 18:26:09 T_T Oct 05 18:26:26 if anyone is wanting to do a theme and get it into extras with without a linux computer or with very little linux knowlege check out my new howto on building source package from theme maker output tmo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=339928#post339928 Oct 05 18:26:31 fighting against specifications that people give you that you know are wrong or incomplete? yeah <_< Oct 05 18:26:50 ... i just realised, with Maemo 6, you could have a full KDE4 desktop Oct 05 18:26:53 * EspadaV8 is impressed Oct 05 18:27:21 could possibly do that now with 5 in fact Oct 05 18:27:39 It's already been done with 4 ;) Oct 05 18:27:53 ... it has Oct 05 18:27:55 wow Oct 05 18:28:04 * EspadaV8 wants to install it on the n900 now Oct 05 18:28:13 Mek has packages in a repo somewhere, I believe Oct 05 18:28:47 I had some very old kde packages for diablo, yes Oct 05 18:29:00 nice nick Oct 05 18:29:21 for fremantle there will eventually be at least some parts of kde in extras-devel, but we're waiting for a new sdk release that fixes some problems we're having before we can push for example kdelibs Oct 05 18:29:27 kde sucks. just tried it through freenx. 10x slower than xfce Oct 05 18:29:44 hehe Oct 05 18:29:51 the default kde style is not designed for remote desktop usage, that is true Oct 05 18:30:02 pupnik: people with short .... need it :9 Oct 05 18:30:11 ssh+screen is even faster than xfce Oct 05 18:30:30 tried changing to a simpler theme. still way to much ricer "bling" Oct 05 18:30:31 mek Oct 05 18:30:58 speaking of which. gotta setup node.conf Oct 05 18:31:09 Mek: awesome, really looking forward to that :-) Oct 05 18:31:10 woglinde eeeeee oh wog were are you Oct 05 18:31:13 you best not snore Oct 05 18:31:22 lcuk: I'll try not to Oct 05 18:31:26 * lcuk hopes he doesnt either Oct 05 18:31:36 snoring > northerner accent Oct 05 18:31:50 i snore in northern! Oct 05 18:31:52 bring earplugs. the beer goggles will take care of the rest Oct 05 18:31:57 +1 Oct 05 18:32:03 i bring earplugs anyway Oct 05 18:32:08 :) Oct 05 18:32:32 lcuk: I'll also probably won't be arriving in amsterdam before about 1am thursday-night... I hope that isn't a problem for you? :) Oct 05 18:32:35 * EspadaV8 is jealous Oct 05 18:32:53 1am thursday night? you mean 1am friday morning? Oct 05 18:33:24 yeah... Oct 05 18:33:27 ok Oct 05 18:33:39 sounds better actually Oct 05 18:34:07 how are you arriving Oct 05 18:34:10 and we need #s Oct 05 18:34:14 by train Oct 05 18:34:40 re Oct 05 18:34:46 fair enough Oct 05 18:34:49 hiya florian Oct 05 18:43:40 sorry, I was a bit sick of x-chat not recognizing the logs link. Oct 05 18:44:30 javispedro: normaly you are not allowed to change the topic, only ops and hops. Oct 05 18:44:44 Topic is unlocked. Oct 05 18:44:45 * AndrewFBlack wonders why Nokia didn't get the N900 into peoples hands in time for summit? Oct 05 18:44:59 Incompetence. Oct 05 18:45:08 johnsq: this is maemo, every pervert can enter here and change the topic :) Oct 05 18:45:09 Really stupid. Oct 05 18:45:23 * Sho_ hopes Nokia will announce something to get the N900 into developer's hands *at* the summit Oct 05 18:45:56 A KDE-style thing would be cool. Oct 05 18:46:03 I can't believe they could not have shipped the device a few week earilier Oct 05 18:46:23 But it's still going to be silly talking about Harmattan. Oct 05 18:46:44 GAN800: well just a developer rebate program like for the n800/n810 would be good Oct 05 18:47:24 Or that Oct 05 18:48:01 A cashier and 400 $200 N900s would be acceptable. ;) Oct 05 18:48:34 and it's isn't a developer rebate program anymore. ;) Oct 05 18:48:43 That's about as likely as you giving up publishing your newsletter Oct 05 18:49:01 GAN800: Well I won't be at the summit sadly, so something you could sign up for online would be nicer Oct 05 18:49:14 * fiferboy wonders why it is so hard to accumulate karma at maemo.org/packages Oct 05 18:49:24 qwerty12, can you make ctrl-enter fullscreen in XChat? Oct 05 18:49:46 Sho_, I was thinking in addition to. Oct 05 18:50:13 fiferboy, no testers. :\ Oct 05 18:50:24 No time or money to attend the summit sadly, but thankfully quite a few other KDE people will be there Oct 05 18:50:36 GAN800: Sure, but you can also it yourself for the time-being: Settings->Advanced->Keyboard shortcuts Oct 05 18:50:45 * javispedro "fixes" rest of links. Oct 05 18:50:45 +do Oct 05 18:50:54 GAN800: I was at 9 before my latest change. 7 now :( Oct 05 18:52:59 Whole this karma system was made for qwerty12 to win «first app» competition )) Oct 05 18:53:12 Ah, excellent. Oct 05 18:53:33 Of course! X-Fade designed it with my whorish nature in mind... Oct 05 18:54:28 fiferboy, it'll get better after release. Oct 05 18:54:49 GeneralAntilles: I thought we wanted apps in extras before release... Oct 05 18:55:12 fiferboy: We want apps, yes, but not your ones Oct 05 18:55:22 ^ :P Oct 05 18:55:26 even *I* have found time to ranking fiferboys app Oct 05 18:55:29 Well, as long as you are just following procedure... Oct 05 18:55:35 (only cos he gave me a link - i couldnt find it otherwise) Oct 05 18:55:58 I will provide three free links to the next people who want to rate them! Oct 05 18:56:04 * lcuk has ranked so far 1 app Oct 05 18:56:08 qwerty12_N810, so much better. Oct 05 18:56:20 :) Oct 05 18:56:40 qwerty12_N810, (im gonna hate myself for saying this) i'll rank you if you like. Oct 05 18:57:32 Doesn't matter, I'll be updating it after I fix some issues :) Oct 05 18:57:33 evil conspirators conspirating again .... ;P Oct 05 18:57:42 i tried your javispedro Oct 05 18:57:48 Muahaha! Oct 05 18:57:50 but i couldnt find any games, nice menu tho :P Oct 05 18:58:02 hehe :P Oct 05 18:58:04 You can expect anything from a man that dating infobot :D Oct 05 18:58:19 Hey, infobot is mine! Oct 05 18:58:23 ~$100 Oct 05 18:58:24 * infobot gives qwerty12_n810 full service! Oct 05 18:58:37 ~$699 Oct 05 18:58:54 discrimation, of course. Oct 05 18:59:12 He doesn't like this position) Oct 05 18:59:14 discrim-i-n-a-t-i-o-n Oct 05 18:59:38 how would we do on device test feedback Oct 05 19:00:18 easily solved. you first implement 3g video calling support and the videocall the dev. Oct 05 19:00:21 i mentioned somewhere - if you install an app from -test shouldnt a dialog pop up at a subtly later date Oct 05 19:00:31 that doesnt tick you an upvote tho Oct 05 19:00:40 its disjointed as it stands now Oct 05 19:00:48 i install from tablet, i like on tablet Oct 05 19:00:52 i might not remember its name Oct 05 19:00:58 "emulator" Oct 05 19:01:04 but its in my menu Oct 05 19:01:07 and im using it Oct 05 19:01:18 is there a way so sync a maemo calendar with a linux laptop calendar without giving google all my dates? Oct 05 19:01:22 i would give the dev a thumbs up at that point Oct 05 19:01:31 lcuk: With the current amount of packages in the QA queue, I don't think you're gonna run into that problem yet ;) Oct 05 19:01:36 but i cant navigate by linux package name Oct 05 19:01:50 maybe we should implement a ubuntu-like option in every app's help menu. Oct 05 19:01:57 ah yes, fremantle apps have no help ;) Oct 05 19:02:12 fuck liblaunchpad-integration Oct 05 19:02:51 hack the .desktop file to launch a "if over24h ..." bit Oct 05 19:02:58 whenever you run a -test app Oct 05 19:03:12 * lcuk doesnt know the answer but knows you get better feedback Oct 05 19:03:43 if over24h then extort_money_from_user(). if money_extorted < $100 brick_device() Oct 05 19:04:11 That's clearly what we need the bme source for. Oct 05 19:04:20 Somebody go add that justification to bugzilla. Oct 05 19:04:25 rolleyes Oct 05 19:04:41 /dev/mtd* Oct 05 19:04:57 >:) Oct 05 19:05:02 qwerty12_N810, serial pads in the battery compartment. Oct 05 19:05:04 Not bricked enough. Oct 05 19:05:12 haha Oct 05 19:05:14 True :( Oct 05 19:05:33 Send Mr. T with a blowtorch? Oct 05 19:06:50 Mmm . . . that was a good hotdog. Oct 05 19:09:23 o_O Oct 05 19:09:31 use the flashing yellow updates ui Oct 05 19:09:53 have that tell you also of test packages you have and to give feedback Oct 05 19:10:17 you don't blink users for that. Oct 05 19:10:31 they will kill you and also give negative feedback no mather what. Oct 05 19:11:07 I personally find killing is adequate. Oct 05 19:11:12 no need for the feedback. Oct 05 19:11:51 * fiferboy needs two more thumbs for countdown-home Oct 05 19:11:58 I guess the best way would be to add a "comment" button near the same place you downloaded the app. Oct 05 19:12:05 or even in "My apps". Oct 05 19:12:09 users != testers Oct 05 19:12:10 -test is not installed or configured on a tablet is it? Oct 05 19:12:11 i do not mean do this for all apps Oct 05 19:12:11 merely those you have specifically installed from -test Oct 05 19:12:11 lcuk: How would you differentiate between an application installed from -testing with one installed from Extras? Oct 05 19:12:11 apt policy tells you which source is being used for a version Oct 05 19:12:29 The Modern Warfare 2 trailer looks like Fallout 3. <_< Oct 05 19:12:34 hrm Oct 05 19:12:35 * qwerty12_N810 is tempted to make that "three thumbs" Oct 05 19:12:48 * fiferboy hides qwerty12's mouse Oct 05 19:12:57 javispedro, not a bad idea - the updates and my apps are viewing subsets of each others data Oct 05 19:13:07 fiferboy: What mouse? I'm using a tablet. ;) Oct 05 19:13:10 * unixSnob was able to send a registration for summit 2009, but got no response.. what does that mean? Oct 05 19:13:21 Foiled again! Oct 05 19:13:22 hrmrm Oct 05 19:13:26 Registration has been closed for a while. Oct 05 19:13:40 there might be dropouts Oct 05 19:13:48 GeneralAntilles: yeah, but there's still a way to register Oct 05 19:13:48 its at full capacity now Oct 05 19:13:52 Nametags just went to the printers. Oct 05 19:13:59 The list may be final. Oct 05 19:14:06 Sorry unixSnob, it means that you won't be getting a male roommate, never mind a female one Oct 05 19:14:10 * lcuk went to a party in london Oct 05 19:14:14 and they had a name list :$ Oct 05 19:14:21 seem relevant Oct 05 19:14:26 but when she heard my name she didnt even have to check the list :$ Oct 05 19:14:27 /com/nokia/mce/signal or /com/nokia/mce/request and /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm /brightness /cabc_mode Oct 05 19:14:28 qwerty12_N810: well i got my own room anyway Oct 05 19:14:35 * lcuk was gobsmacked Oct 05 19:14:59 lol Oct 05 19:15:05 i heard your name somewhere Oct 05 19:15:13 fiferboy: damn, I have already thumbed it up :( Oct 05 19:15:16 and i was like "lolwut, lcuk!?" Oct 05 19:15:24 when?> Oct 05 19:15:27 and they were like "umm?" Oct 05 19:15:40 dunno, someone was talking about something they saw on youtube Oct 05 19:15:44 who's gonna open a back door for me? Oct 05 19:15:47 and i was like "wait, lcuk did that?!" Oct 05 19:15:58 * lcuk does a lot of things Oct 05 19:16:03 heh Oct 05 19:16:34 i'll vote for bugs, whoever opens the back door for me, tell what bugs you want fixed and i'll vote for them Oct 05 19:16:39 well they were showing me some video and talking about this cool thing, and i was like yeah, that's neat, and then your name popped up and i was like "lolwut, lcuk!?" (as previously stated) Oct 05 19:16:47 anything else I can do to pimp myself out? Oct 05 19:16:53 onedotzero :) Oct 05 19:17:03 unixSnob: Shoes with dice in? Oct 05 19:17:04 unixSnob: go in a gimp suit with an iPhone Oct 05 19:17:36 are there any meetup plans for thursday Oct 05 19:17:51 * lcuk throws up a bit about an email Oct 05 19:17:52 there's an arrival time table Oct 05 19:17:58 guess I don't want in that bad Oct 05 19:18:07 ive been invited to a party :| Oct 05 19:18:07 but no meeting points/times Oct 05 19:18:18 * unixSnob gives up selling votes Oct 05 19:18:19 lcuk: that's usually good Oct 05 19:18:29 a *cough* *cough* 7 launch party :| Oct 05 19:18:42 in the maemo summit?? Oct 05 19:18:43 cool! Oct 05 19:18:46 lcuk: go Oct 05 19:18:51 take your n900 Oct 05 19:18:57 hahaha Oct 05 19:19:08 we should all gatecrash Oct 05 19:19:28 hmm google "awkward questions for a 7 launch party" Oct 05 19:19:47 lol yeah Oct 05 19:19:53 "does your os connect to this?" Oct 05 19:20:04 "awww thats too bad, i can connect from my linux box, just fine Oct 05 19:20:21 * rm_you is running win7 now... on his gaming machine >_> Oct 05 19:20:23 but it does connect quite well :$ Oct 05 19:20:39 i wouldnt know, im happy with xp Oct 05 19:34:45 does anyone know what the following bit in the travel email means: AT CHECK-IN, PLEASE SHOW A PHOTO IDENTIFICATION AND THE DOCUMENT YOU GAVE FOR REFERENCE AT RESERVATION TIME Oct 05 19:35:06 lbt: show your passport or something.. Oct 05 19:35:21 THE DOCUMENT YOU GAVE FOR REFERENCE AT RESERVATION TIME Oct 05 19:35:26 yeah, i know Oct 05 19:35:28 that bit ... Oct 05 19:35:52 lbt: Ignorable Oct 05 19:35:57 air travel nowadays... they send you home if you blink wrong! Oct 05 19:36:06 lbt: Where you comingfrom? Oct 05 19:36:13 Heathrow Oct 05 19:36:20 Passport is all you'll need Oct 05 19:36:26 And check-in online. Oct 05 19:36:30 Print boarding pass. Oct 05 19:36:33 can we do that? Oct 05 19:36:42 Depends on the airline, but probably. Oct 05 19:36:42 How far ahead can you check-in online? Oct 05 19:36:50 fiferboy: Usually 22-24 hours Oct 05 19:36:51 * lcuk takes a pile of papers and a pen Oct 05 19:36:53 I couldn't last time as the agent reserved Oct 05 19:36:57 Oh, I guess that would be airline dependant Oct 05 19:36:58 and panics his way through airports Oct 05 19:37:00 and we didn't get passwd Oct 05 19:37:15 lbt: When I've been booked by agents (although not this one), I've been able to Oct 05 19:37:15 lcuk: You don't need paper: only liqbase Oct 05 19:37:37 fiferboy, surprisingly even that isnt fast enough at an airport Oct 05 19:37:43 lol Oct 05 19:37:44 someone tell me what the pairwise disjointness test for grammars is and how i do it :P Oct 05 19:37:51 i normally write the gate # and time on side of hand Oct 05 19:37:52 Jaffa: last time was easyjet to be fair... Oct 05 19:37:55 i look that often Oct 05 19:37:56 and panic Oct 05 19:38:07 * Jaffa books his card parking Oct 05 19:38:28 * lcuk dislikes travel, loves the destination Oct 05 19:38:38 * rm_you agrees Oct 05 19:39:01 * rm_you needs teleportation to be invented Oct 05 19:39:09 Hehe Oct 05 19:39:10 it has! Oct 05 19:39:15 do you want to be the first to try it?> Oct 05 19:39:21 It'd be less irritating if one didn't have to worry about connecting flights. Oct 05 19:39:42 GeneralAntilles: I lucked into a direct flight from Toronto Oct 05 19:39:51 its an intricate balled if it all goes accordingly Oct 05 19:39:51 * fiferboy is glad he doesn't have to think about stop overs Oct 05 19:40:08 ballet even Oct 05 19:40:20 GeneralAntilles: I'll be flying in just before you - you don't happen to know Amsterdam, do you? Oct 05 19:40:41 fiferboy: join the club Oct 05 19:40:47 fiferboy, not at all. Oct 05 19:40:52 it'll be me, you, GA, johnx... Oct 05 19:40:55 possibly more Oct 05 19:40:58 fiferboy, rm_you, johnx and me are meeting up at the airport. Oct 05 19:40:59 fiferboy, ask pupnik for directions :D Oct 05 19:41:01 all arriving at the same time and meeting up in the airport Oct 05 19:41:25 fiferboy, if you want to wait 1:40 for rm_you to get in we're meeting at some coffee shop somewhere. Oct 05 19:41:37 * nielsslot comes from Amsterdam Oct 05 19:41:39 am i after you guys? Oct 05 19:41:42 anyone I can help? Oct 05 19:41:48 I would love to meet up Oct 05 19:41:52 7:00 7:40 8:00 8:40? Oct 05 19:41:56 Or are you 8:20? Oct 05 19:41:58 heh Oct 05 19:42:00 dunno Oct 05 19:42:04 * rm_you checks Oct 05 19:42:24 GeneralAntilles: What day? Thursday? Oct 05 19:42:28 I don't mind waiting if it means not trying to find my own way :| Oct 05 19:42:28 * Jaffa is landing at 08:20 Oct 05 19:42:28 Yeah Oct 05 19:42:58 just don't rely on n810 GPS. Oct 05 19:42:59 Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Travel Oct 05 19:43:04 and anybody else. Oct 05 19:43:42 GeneralAntilles: How long is the stop over in DC? Oct 05 19:43:57 fiferboy, 1:30 or so. Oct 05 19:44:02 I was thinking we should have a few meeting place-times during the day Oct 05 19:44:08 fiferboy/Jaffa, http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plattegronden/pdf/plattegrond_plaza_uk.pdf Oct 05 19:44:10 lbt: I like that idea Oct 05 19:44:13 10am, 3pm 6pm Oct 05 19:44:26 qole may have mentioned something about pancakes for breakfast/brunch. Oct 05 19:44:46 General: Which DC airport? Oct 05 19:44:51 Location N under Bars & Restaurants on the Arrivals page. Oct 05 19:44:52 KIAD Oct 05 19:45:18 yeah i'm 8:20 Oct 05 19:45:19 so Oct 05 19:45:24 GA only has to wait 20 min Oct 05 19:45:33 Délifrance is where we're planning on meeting. Oct 05 19:45:41 or i could beat him if i get lucky on the customs line and he doesn't :P Oct 05 19:45:47 Hehe Oct 05 19:45:54 I'll gladly wiat 120 mins Oct 05 19:46:13 we need an app for this Oct 05 19:46:15 * GeneralAntilles removed the Newton and the 770 from his luggage. Oct 05 19:46:20 Jaffa: when are you flying? Oct 05 19:46:26 "NOKIA" "N900" "MAEMO" flashing big Oct 05 19:46:38 so people can fill a table with it or leave it on high at the airport Oct 05 19:46:44 lcuk, I'm wearing my maemo shirt. Oct 05 19:46:51 god help us! Oct 05 19:46:56 If anybody hasn't added their flight info to the Travel page, please do: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Travel Oct 05 19:47:09 hahahahaha lbt ;) Oct 05 19:47:14 General: Ah! Best anal cavity searches in the area, courtesy of the DHS Oct 05 19:47:41 which airlines are you guys on? Oct 05 19:47:58 And, by the way, I have now made BOTH TI73 and TI83+SE work Oct 05 19:47:58 KLM Oct 05 19:48:12 KLM Oct 05 19:48:43 KLM Oct 05 19:50:20 Jaffa: should have come down to Heathrow for a sane departure time ;) Oct 05 19:50:34 GA? Oct 05 19:50:44 I'm on ... Continental Airlines Oct 05 19:51:21 * lcuk is flying in a fokker Oct 05 19:51:29 lol Oct 05 19:51:53 brb rebooting to linux so i can actually work on this crap Oct 05 19:52:07 United Oct 05 19:55:55 You can check-in online with KLM 30 hours before departure (24 from the States) Oct 05 19:56:54 If anybody needs to find me Thursday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3985004298/ Oct 05 19:57:36 GeneralAntilles: Good idea. I will be looking for the blue maemo guy Oct 05 19:58:03 * GeneralAntilles wishes that shirt weren't so oversized. Oct 05 19:58:14 I tried check-in through SMS, once. The air company told me "you can now check in by SMS to just by responding by to this SMS" Oct 05 19:58:23 GeneralAntilles: That shirt is so last century Oct 05 19:58:47 qwerty12_N810, hey, it's visible, though. :P Oct 05 19:58:59 lcuk: that particular fokker is an airbus ;-) Oct 05 19:59:03 fiferboy, johnx'll be the red Danish weekend shirt, apparently. Oct 05 19:59:07 It is, certainly :p Oct 05 19:59:19 * fiferboy takes notes Oct 05 19:59:20 It's also wonderfully ironic. Oct 05 19:59:24 GeneralAntilles: i knew you were thin ... but in that shirt.... Oct 05 19:59:36 I did so. problem is, wasn't the one I'd booked on, so responding made me agree to reroute through Oslo instead of a direct flight. Oct 05 19:59:41 lbt, it's about 3 sizes too big. Oct 05 19:59:53 I can barely see you in it! Oct 05 20:00:11 Good genes, I guess. :P Oct 05 20:00:13 I wasn't very happy with that :P Luckily, lady in the counter could book me back on the direct flight. Oct 05 20:00:19 fiferboy: remember ... the security guys are looking for signs of weakness and humility. Don't take any shit off them!! Oct 05 20:00:31 haha Oct 05 20:00:35 dont scare him more Oct 05 20:00:41 :) Oct 05 20:00:54 Must avoid anti-Canadian remark Oct 05 20:01:08 qwerty12_N810: Good restraint! Oct 05 20:01:19 fiferboy, if we miss each other you have to head to the hotel alone, Ibis is right next to central station, so it's only a train ride away. Oct 05 20:01:27 hi i want to know where is the maemo kernel image on my nokia? Oct 05 20:01:28 "only" Oct 05 20:01:36 GeneralAntilles: Thanks. I was looking at the train as an alternative Oct 05 20:01:42 trains travel out of amsterdam and end up in far flung european countries Oct 05 20:01:51 it's n800 with maemo 4.1.2 Oct 05 20:01:54 lcuk: Thanks :| Oct 05 20:02:05 lol fiferboy Oct 05 20:02:18 when i went to london i was stood at a platform diligently waiting for my train Oct 05 20:02:23 /boot is empty Oct 05 20:02:24 me and a few others Oct 05 20:02:37 another train on the next platform setoff and there was no sign of ours Oct 05 20:02:38 .. Oct 05 20:03:10 We can check bags at the hotel before check-in, right? Oct 05 20:03:13 boris_, does it matter? Oct 05 20:03:14 took us a few minutes to realise since we had gone onto the platform they had changed which one it would come into Oct 05 20:03:33 GeneralAntilles, yes, most hotels provide concierge service... Since something like 1430 Oct 05 20:03:39 lcuk: That has happened to me Oct 05 20:03:44 crashanddie__, i want to install arch mobile on my n800 and i need that image Oct 05 20:03:51 is this the right place to ask ? Oct 05 20:03:57 boris_, it is indeed Oct 05 20:04:10 crashanddie__, hey, I've never been out of the country. :P Oct 05 20:04:12 boris_: but you most probably don't want that image. why would you need it for? Oct 05 20:04:18 weirdest plane check-in I've experienced was in Charles-de-Gaulle, France. They actually managed to perform boarding to two planes from the same gate. Oct 05 20:04:25 GeneralAntilles, well, for your local hotel then: since 1978 Oct 05 20:04:26 I concur with javispedro. Oct 05 20:04:46 Just call it a robe Oct 05 20:04:47 Veggen, happens quite a lot in a lot of different airports Oct 05 20:04:59 Veggen, seen that in Stansted, Gatwick, Girona, Rome Oct 05 20:05:08 lol crashanddie__ i thought your 1430 was what time you could drop bags off at :$ Oct 05 20:05:13 crashanddie__, i want to try to copy it to my arch mobile build environment and boot from it Oct 05 20:05:27 now, in the middle of the footway to the plane, after check-in, there was a lady asking everyone what plane they was going to, and pointing in different directions. Oct 05 20:05:30 Just FYI, check-in at Ibis is at 14:00. Oct 05 20:05:36 boris_: and you need to copy the kernel why? Oct 05 20:05:41 lcuk, fail :P Oct 05 20:05:53 crashanddie: really? you'd think there was a way to avoid it ;P Oct 05 20:06:02 Jetways! Oct 05 20:06:05 Veggen: At LAX I think they just had signs. Oct 05 20:06:07 crashanddie__, i fail at many things. but i get up and try again :P Oct 05 20:06:09 luke-jr, because i can't compile it Oct 05 20:06:14 i don't have a kernel Oct 05 20:06:21 boris_: sure you do, it's on your N800 Oct 05 20:06:23 lcuk, us hackers don't fail. We succeed at finding what doesn't work. Oct 05 20:06:26 boris_: leave it where it is Oct 05 20:06:35 JFK had a ridiculous number of flights going through the same gate (like 4 or 5 at once). Oct 05 20:06:35 I guess http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=81487 Oct 05 20:06:47 derf, only for domestic flights though Oct 05 20:06:53 Yes. Oct 05 20:07:05 * lcuk ran through cdg once Oct 05 20:07:07 The LAX one was international, though. Oct 05 20:07:08 i was told to run Oct 05 20:07:09 so i did Oct 05 20:07:15 i almost killed myself Oct 05 20:07:34 * lcuk passed that bolt guy Oct 05 20:08:04 LAX was probably the most ridiculous one I saw. I'm an alien in the US, I had to go through a separate gate, and after "check-in", we were put in another room with everyone else, and then went to the planes with a bus that also dropped off people at other flights... Oct 05 20:08:16 lcuk: i ran through Amsterdam. And in old Oslo airport, I once got to the airport 1 minute before scheduled take-off, noticed there was *no* more planes leaving that evening according to the information screen.... Oct 05 20:08:41 * crashanddie__ bribed a Ryanair manager to be able to check-in while late Oct 05 20:08:42 yikes! Oct 05 20:09:04 LAX is pretty ridiculous even for citizens. Oct 05 20:09:12 So I just ran to the gates the plane would usually go from. Saw a door that was just about to close, managed to stop it, and got on the plane. Oct 05 20:09:21 well, Ryanair "manager", that's the name on his contract, it probably means he gets paid £4 an hour instead of £3 Oct 05 20:09:24 !! :D Oct 05 20:09:35 That was the fastest airport-passing I've ever done. Took me about 4 minutes. Oct 05 20:09:54 they shouldv given you a streamer ribbon at the finish! Oct 05 20:10:00 Veggen: bags? Oct 05 20:10:03 was your luggage as lucky? Oct 05 20:10:09 And ever since, the police is still looking for a runner in Oslo airport Oct 05 20:10:11 toggles: none, was a day-trip. Oct 05 20:10:25 lol @ airport streaking Oct 05 20:10:25 lucky ;-) Oct 05 20:10:29 by show of hands, who here is taking a checked-in bag for the summit? Oct 05 20:10:41 "checked-in" ? Oct 05 20:10:41 still pondering if i am or not Oct 05 20:10:50 lcuk, in hold Oct 05 20:11:01 now, I've actually once done it in 10 minutes *including* buying ticket. Oct 05 20:11:03 yeah, how would i get my clothes Oct 05 20:11:09 * GeneralAntilles is. Oct 05 20:11:14 One backpack, one duffel. Oct 05 20:11:25 GeneralAntilles, yeah, but you got like an extra 24h worth of travel Oct 05 20:11:26 2 bags - they should be in hold shouldnt they? Oct 05 20:11:29 lcuk, carry-on. Oct 05 20:11:42 lcuk, one is, I'm only taking one bag -- in cabin Oct 05 20:11:47 luke-jr, leave it where it is ? Oct 05 20:11:48 ...and including luggage. It was in the days one was allowed to bring luggage to the gate if you were too late to check it in. Oct 05 20:11:49 Carry-on is for pros. Oct 05 20:11:50 ah, damn, .. i have to take luggage too Oct 05 20:11:56 It has to be less than 4 days for me, though Oct 05 20:12:01 and not involve going to a tech conference. :P Oct 05 20:12:11 can i have two OSes and one kernel ? Oct 05 20:12:13 GeneralAntilles: relink? Oct 05 20:12:19 http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3985004298/ Oct 05 20:12:20 i dont think so Oct 05 20:12:32 pullin out my tablet collection at security is going to be "interesting" Oct 05 20:12:45 oh, nice GA Oct 05 20:12:51 mine are all the ones i made for the first summit Oct 05 20:12:54 GeneralAntilles, I saw this awesome new victorinox bag, with "compression chamber". Basically, you just put clothes, and then pump, and it compresses the compartment Oct 05 20:12:57 or i could wear the official one Oct 05 20:12:59 lol Oct 05 20:13:04 crashanddie__, nice. Oct 05 20:13:11 crashanddie__, must be hell with wrinkles, though. Oct 05 20:13:12 £350 though Oct 05 20:13:15 lcuk: yeah i got chewed out by the security lady Oct 05 20:13:28 Security theater Oct 05 20:13:29 GeneralAntilles, they gave a free "Folding guide" with it Oct 05 20:13:31 When is it going to end? Oct 05 20:13:31 my pants nearly fell down coming back from cph Oct 05 20:13:34 boris_: you can have as many OSes as you want with a single kernel. Oct 05 20:13:39 they wanted my belt as well as tech Oct 05 20:13:40 as long as those OSes work with the kernel, of course. Oct 05 20:13:52 crashanddie__: Minimum wage in California is $8 (about £5). Oct 05 20:14:06 but must dash Oct 05 20:14:11 lots and lots and lots to do Oct 05 20:14:15 GeneralAntilles, though, I wonder how airport security would react: "Anything to declare sir?" "Yup, my bag is pressurised at 30 bar, broke my record this morning while packing" Oct 05 20:14:23 lol Oct 05 20:14:29 boris_, I don't know what your problem is, but the sad truth is that you're not changing the device kernel anytime soon unless you are a kernel hacker. Oct 05 20:14:31 boris_: yes Oct 05 20:14:43 boris_: in fact, it is currently impossible to have more than one kernel Oct 05 20:14:43 derf, damn, must suck to be on minimum wage Oct 05 20:14:58 crashanddie__: I get annoyed at all the European airlines that try to set a weight limit. Oct 05 20:15:13 "12 kg? This bag was 24, at least." Oct 05 20:15:14 derf, don't fly with Ryanair Oct 05 20:15:34 jabis, i am NOT changing the device kernel Oct 05 20:15:39 Somehow they'll let you come over there without issue, but then you can't leave without checking your bag. Oct 05 20:15:42 why do you think i'm changing it ?? Oct 05 20:15:47 i never said that Oct 05 20:15:48 The only airline that asks you to pay to be allowed to print your own ticket. "why thank you for having me pay TO USE MY OWN PRINTER" Oct 05 20:16:00 luke-jr, ??? Oct 05 20:16:47 boris_: you don't need to extract the kernel Oct 05 20:17:12 derf, basically, hand luggage (cabin) has to be under 10kg, most decent airlines allow two pieces of hand luggage (one actual luggage + handbag/laptop bag), most hold luggage has to be under 15-20kg Oct 05 20:17:29 i dont need to extract the kernel i need the image so i can put it in my arch linux arm port and boot it Oct 05 20:17:36 derf, if you're traveling with over 10kg worth of clothes for a 3 day conference, you're doing it wrong Oct 05 20:17:52 I go there for weeks at a time without checking bags. Oct 05 20:18:00 boris_: you don't. Oct 05 20:18:12 boris_: your Arch Linux ARM port does not need a kernel in it Oct 05 20:18:18 derf, where do you live in ca? Oct 05 20:18:24 I don't live in CA. Oct 05 20:18:26 yeah right ... Oct 05 20:18:29 luke-jr: it does need modules ideally though Oct 05 20:18:29 I live in DC. Oct 05 20:18:34 Well, near DC. Oct 05 20:18:39 boris_: and if it did, you're screwed, since the shipped kernel is illegal to distribute as-is Oct 05 20:18:40 virginia? Oct 05 20:18:45 as are those modules Stskeeps just mentioned Oct 05 20:19:05 boris_: you'll need to either use a newer Linux or symlink the initfs modules Oct 05 20:19:10 crashanddie__: Yes. Oct 05 20:19:17 charlotte? Oct 05 20:19:30 No, inside the beltway. Oct 05 20:19:31 or provide a script to install the Maemo .debs Oct 05 20:19:49 k Oct 05 20:19:56 The part of DC that DC gave back. Oct 05 20:20:03 * crashanddie__ has no idea what the beltway is Oct 05 20:20:15 It's the large highway system around DC. Oct 05 20:20:21 ah Oct 05 20:20:24 Circles the city. Oct 05 20:20:45 I remember talking to this guy on LinkedIn, old friend, he said he just moved to Richmond, I'm like "Hell yeah bro, let's meet up" Oct 05 20:20:56 Haha. Oct 05 20:21:00 I'm guessing not the same Richmond. Oct 05 20:21:09 I tell him to go to the french brasserie on the east side of the big park that same night at 8 Oct 05 20:21:25 figures there's an ocean separating us Oct 05 20:21:48 ls Oct 05 20:21:51 ls Oct 05 20:21:52 lol Oct 05 20:21:57 rm Oct 05 20:22:01 * rm_you high-fives toggles_w Oct 05 20:22:03 du -sh Oct 05 20:22:09 rm_toggles_w Oct 05 20:22:25 du -s * | sort -g Oct 05 20:22:51 crazy talk - get a gui Oct 05 20:23:19 right click on toggles_w, then click on delete, then click on allow, then click on allow again, the click on yes, then right click on the recycle bin... Oct 05 20:23:21 ^\\w+(/\\w+)*(\\.\\w+)?:(\\w+(/\\w+)*(\\.\\w+)?\s+)+(\\w+(/\\w+)*(\\.\\w+)?\s*){0,1}$ Oct 05 20:23:42 javispedro, at least you can guess what to do easily.. Oct 05 20:23:48 :) Oct 05 20:23:58 ls urgwhatnow Oct 05 20:24:05 hello Oct 05 20:24:12 * lcuk sits sometimes staring at _ Oct 05 20:24:17 ls TABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTAB until your tab key gets that graesy feeling Oct 05 20:24:22 waiting for clippy to appear Oct 05 20:24:26 does anybody use gtk.rc_pase in Fremantle? Oct 05 20:24:36 you Oct 05 20:24:55 anybody else? :) Oct 05 20:25:17 javispedro, i usually wash my hands after eating with my fingers Oct 05 20:25:24 javispedro, helps keeping the keyboard fat-free Oct 05 20:25:27 never heard of it - whats it do Oct 05 20:25:30 yes, I do :) Oct 05 20:27:12 fortunately, today only 9 / 10 "active" topics are n900 related in tmo. Oct 05 20:29:55 Oct 05 20:30:45 schipol airport map http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plattegronden/pdf/plattegrond_plaza_uk.pdf Oct 05 20:31:42 just follow taxi/shuttle/train indications Oct 05 20:31:44 lcuk, it gets the dirt off your hands. :P Oct 05 20:32:09 btw, what is the preferred route from schipol to the hotel? Oct 05 20:32:11 GeneralAntilles: did we decide where we're meeting up? just, around? :P Oct 05 20:32:16 metro? bus? Oct 05 20:32:18 or other parts of your body, depending on what you do Oct 05 20:32:22 RST38h, train Oct 05 20:32:26 rm_you, map marker N on the arrivals page. Oct 05 20:32:31 Délifrance Oct 05 20:33:01 lol Oct 05 20:33:12 Schiphol marketing fell in love with Clooney Oct 05 20:33:22 their actual slogan is "Schiphol. Where else?" Oct 05 20:33:55 and no, I'm not making this up: http://www.schiphol.nl/upload/4c7c7dfb-f9a5-4ca1-8ac1-7d27a90cbed2_Schiphol_Whereelse.jpg Oct 05 20:34:47 RST38h, train from AMS to Amsterdam takes about 15-20 minutes Oct 05 20:35:13 how far on foot Oct 05 20:35:19 RST38h: Yes, I recommend the train, as well. Oct 05 20:35:25 RST38h, central station is about 500 yards away. Oct 05 20:35:44 lcuk, it's as far using the train as on foot Oct 05 20:35:50 Thanks =) Oct 05 20:35:54 distances don't change based on your means of transport ;) Oct 05 20:35:56 Where do I get off though? Oct 05 20:35:59 a mile is still a mile ;) Oct 05 20:36:01 16km from Schiphol to Ibis. Oct 05 20:36:01 but if i get the wrong train, its a LOT further Oct 05 20:36:04 RST38h, when it says "Amsterdam" Oct 05 20:36:07 RST38h, central station. Oct 05 20:36:10 Ahhahaha Oct 05 20:36:14 Ok, I see it on the map Oct 05 20:36:33 does the train actually go anywhere else after Amsterdam? Oct 05 20:37:34 I added the map and meet point to the wiki page Oct 05 20:37:56 meet point? Oct 05 20:38:36 aSIMULAter: point where people who are arriving at same time in airport meet up and go into city/hotel from :P Oct 05 20:38:53 oho ppl are actually doing that Oct 05 20:39:00 interesting Oct 05 20:39:15 no, it's all a fad just to get your hopes up Oct 05 20:39:25 you guys going to hold hands Oct 05 20:39:27 whilst you walk to your hotels Oct 05 20:39:33 together Oct 05 20:39:52 especially lcuk, Jaffa and jussi are very bad at it, they say "Wanna come for dinner?", and then they fuck off 5 minutes before you arrive, so you have to wait for 1.5 hours in the cold Oct 05 20:39:53 crashanddie__: Some of the trains do. Oct 05 20:40:05 aSIMULAter, the buddy system is very effective. Oct 05 20:40:25 yz Oct 05 20:40:26 bah, just get lost already ;) Oct 05 20:40:48 and obviously, because nobody actually knows how to give direction, nor to ask, they tell you to go to the "Charing Cross Bridge", which doesn't exist in our version of reality Oct 05 20:40:49 aSIMULAter, I think the master plan is to get pancakes at some point. Oct 05 20:41:11 french toast > pancakes Oct 05 20:41:18 crashanddie__: If stay on the train too long, you could wind up in Rotterdamn or Utrecht. Oct 05 20:41:18 oh u didn't just type that did you Oct 05 20:41:20 wtf is "french toast"? Oct 05 20:41:21 pancakes > * Oct 05 20:41:24 i forgot Oct 05 20:41:26 bacon > * Oct 05 20:41:45 there's no such thing as "french toast", get out of jamie oliver's ass Oct 05 20:41:45 the hotel better have bacon for breakfast. Oct 05 20:41:56 crashanddie__: Gypsy toast. Oct 05 20:41:59 yz it BETTER Oct 05 20:42:00 crashanddie__: I don't think Jamie Oliver created "french toast" ... Oct 05 20:42:02 crashanddie__, bread slices covered in a milk/egg/cinnamon/vanilla/sugar concoction and then cooked. Oct 05 20:42:03 there is doubt about bacon for breakfast? Oct 05 20:42:06 what hotels are u guys staying at? Oct 05 20:42:16 aSIMULAter: bash: *: ambiguous redirect Oct 05 20:42:16 Ibis Oct 05 20:42:18 Central Oct 05 20:42:23 GeneralAntilles, definitely not french Oct 05 20:42:24 i actually have a 3 course breakfast :$ Oct 05 20:42:26 For the sponsored people. Oct 05 20:42:46 Isn't Jamie Oliver English anyways? Oct 05 20:42:57 i might need to hold someone's hand going to the summit on friday morning :/ Oct 05 20:42:58 lcuk, bacon with cereal, bacon with toast, bacon with nutella spread? Oct 05 20:43:07 cause i was thinking of taking a taxi unless ppl are taking public transport? Oct 05 20:43:14 lol aSIMULAter Oct 05 20:43:16 dont be scared Oct 05 20:43:17 bacon with bacon infused milk Oct 05 20:43:19 aSIMULAter, how far is your hotel? Oct 05 20:43:21 no: Oct 05 20:43:23 coffee Oct 05 20:43:24 Ibis is walking distance, really. Oct 05 20:43:28 i'm staying at mövenpick Oct 05 20:43:29 pineapple+yogurt Oct 05 20:43:32 oh Oct 05 20:43:37 bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+egg Oct 05 20:43:39 oh so not ibis centraal Oct 05 20:43:45 you're staying at ibis west centraL? Oct 05 20:43:54 aSIMULAter, yup Oct 05 20:43:56 ok Oct 05 20:43:58 Hang, on, let me look at the map again. Oct 05 20:44:09 I'm about 10 minutes out from west central Oct 05 20:44:09 * aSIMULAter wimpers, alone...in the central of amsterdam Oct 05 20:44:22 Yeah, Ibis Central Oct 05 20:44:25 Which is farther than I thought Oct 05 20:44:27 nevermind. Oct 05 20:44:27 aSIMULAter, amsterdam is probably one of the safer big cities to be in on your own Oct 05 20:44:33 yz i think u're nearer to my hotel GeneralAntilles Oct 05 20:44:48 crashanddie__: i'm actually just kidding hehe..but it would be nice to travel with people at the same time to the summit Oct 05 20:45:08 aSIMULAter, you're going to a geek convention, people are associal and introvert by default Oct 05 20:45:31 * GeneralAntilles is just going to spend the Summit in his hotel room. :D Oct 05 20:45:36 asking a geek if he wants to share a cab is like asking a girl on the street if you can caress her feet Oct 05 20:45:38 maybe i'll just irc then Oct 05 20:45:55 actually damn right am i going to irc from teh summit Oct 05 20:45:57 it's uncomfortable but you do it anyways crashanddie__ ? Oct 05 20:46:05 aSIMULAter, blast me your #, ill check if my conversations is fixed Oct 05 20:46:10 ok Oct 05 20:46:16 Why doesn't Google Maps have public transit info for Amesterdam? . . . Oct 05 20:46:21 s/Ame/Am/ Oct 05 20:46:21 GeneralAntilles meant: Why doesn't Google Maps have public transit info for Amsterdam? . . . Oct 05 20:46:25 JoeBrain, I cab everywhere, don't meet people on the street Oct 05 20:46:32 GeneralAntilles: cos of the transport strike? ;p Oct 05 20:46:38 do the cabs FINALLY take card in amsterdam? Oct 05 20:46:40 Stskeeps, but that's Wednesday! Oct 05 20:46:44 geez everytime i went around i had to pay in cash Oct 05 20:46:45 GeneralAntilles, does Google Maps have public transport info anywhere? Oct 05 20:46:54 crashanddie__, lot of US cities. Oct 05 20:46:56 aSIMULAter, cash it is Oct 05 20:47:01 Included some rather small ones. Oct 05 20:47:22 has someone tried vpnc on the n900? Oct 05 20:47:56 aSIMULAter, card in cabs is quite a novelty, even in the UK Oct 05 20:48:08 crashanddie__: out of curiosity..since u live there, how far is ciel bleu from mövenpick do u know? Oct 05 20:48:14 For instance: http://tinyurl.com/ychldwg Oct 05 20:48:17 i mean i can look at it on a map..but is there good public transportation links? Oct 05 20:48:22 I don't live in NL Oct 05 20:48:25 o Oct 05 20:48:36 i'm just used to paying everything with card here in helsinki Oct 05 20:48:40 NL has pretty good public transportation. Oct 05 20:48:50 living in london yeah had to use cash all the time Oct 05 20:48:52 <3 card Oct 05 20:48:55 i have to take out cash Oct 05 20:48:58 and carry it in my purse OMG Oct 05 20:48:58 wtf Oct 05 20:49:00 wtf cash Oct 05 20:49:04 aSIMULAter, the transport will be "call me a cab please" Oct 05 20:49:08 I rarely have cash on me, unless I cab Oct 05 20:49:19 I don't know how it compares to Helsinki, but it's infinitely better than public transport in the US. Oct 05 20:49:36 * lcuk fills out contact form as "adele - technical support" Oct 05 20:49:36 derf, which isn't hard, seeing as it's non-existent in 99% of the US Oct 05 20:49:39 aSIMULAter: http://www.gvb.nl/english/travellers/maps/Pages/Networkmap.aspx << map of public transport in Amsterdam Oct 05 20:49:43 well compared to london where public transportation doens't work if there's a leaf that hit the train tracks nad hte metropolitan line is down for 2 hours Oct 05 20:49:45 it's great Oct 05 20:49:47 i love it Oct 05 20:49:49 i love helsinki transport Oct 05 20:49:52 USA's view of public transport is a train coast to coast, once a week Oct 05 20:49:53 it's fast, it's on time, it's frequent Oct 05 20:50:07 aSIMULAter: Right, NL is also like that. Oct 05 20:50:14 5km of travel isn't 45 mins like with the tube and dlr, it's just 20 mins with the metro etc Oct 05 20:50:17 We prefer the comfort and freedom of personal automobiles. ;) Oct 05 20:50:19 japan public transport <3 Oct 05 20:50:27 hope I can wittness it one day Oct 05 20:50:37 Shapeshifter: It's actually pretty close to Japan's. Oct 05 20:50:43 oho i had to give up my cali drivers license to get a finnish one..i should type to you guys one of the questions Oct 05 20:50:45 GeneralAntilles, oh yeah, I can see 16M cars in the area of London ;) Oct 05 20:50:50 speaking of vehicles Oct 05 20:51:07 aSIMULAter, if you take DLR, you're doing it wrong :P Oct 05 20:51:12 I don't think there was a late train the entire time I was there. Oct 05 20:51:14 derf: well, ours (Zurich) is very good as well. But here, the trains don't look like space ships and people don't line up before the doors Oct 05 20:51:14 Why is it necessary not to warn other road users about traffic control? Oct 05 20:51:16 crashanddie__, hey, not my problem if you guys are living on top of eachother. :P Oct 05 20:51:23 * Stskeeps ponders what madman came up with wifi at 6 EUR/hour Oct 05 20:51:47 I wish every airport were like KTPA. Oct 05 20:51:47 Shapeshifter: I did hit rushhour at one point in NL that came close to Tokyo's crowding, too. Oct 05 20:51:51 Free WiFi! Oct 05 20:52:00 Stskeeps, the same who came up with wifi at .1 EUR/minute? Oct 05 20:52:03 answer: because the person you warn may be a criminal and by doing so you will commit a criminal act Oct 05 20:52:04 lul Oct 05 20:52:12 well the only way tot o travel to canary wharf area is dlr... Oct 05 20:52:17 or i guess, tube Oct 05 20:52:24 but i was living ec1 easier to take dlr Oct 05 20:52:46 aSIMULAter, lol... there's a tube station under CW Oct 05 20:52:50 Shapeshifter: But they didn't have people with little white gloves whose job it is to shove people on the train. Oct 05 20:53:04 Goddamn Oct 05 20:53:07 * qwerty12_N810 <3's the tube. Then again, I only take the District line... Oct 05 20:53:09 true, but if you live near hte circle line, and dlr which goes straight to canary wharf, which would you choose Oct 05 20:53:34 qwerty12_N810, lol... misread that, thought you said "/me loves the tube, then again, i live in the lake district" Oct 05 20:53:40 * Stskeeps wonders if korbe is coming for summit Oct 05 20:53:42 I was like, wtf? lake district in east london? Oct 05 20:53:43 derf: :) Oct 05 20:53:53 crashanddie__: lol Oct 05 20:53:59 subways ftl Oct 05 20:54:02 I want freejazz to come. Oct 05 20:54:10 they are always gloomy. Oct 05 20:54:15 tramways ftw :) Oct 05 20:54:15 i read that "freejizz" Oct 05 20:54:17 oops Oct 05 20:54:21 aSIMULAter, lmao, same here Oct 05 20:54:24 * lcuk did too Oct 05 20:54:25 haha Oct 05 20:54:31 Get your minds out of the gutter. Oct 05 20:54:36 crashanddie__ and lcuk obviously want some Oct 05 20:54:42 i know i know i should act more lady like etc Oct 05 20:54:55 aSIMULAter, you're actually a YY? Oct 05 20:55:16 yes, though i guess my gender is irrelivant technically Oct 05 20:55:46 Hrm, somebody want to read this public transit map to me? Oct 05 20:55:48 I guess it's rude to ask someone about his chromosomes... Though after the crap we got at athletism, you're never too sure Oct 05 20:56:01 well, in lcuks case he is actually "le cock"... ;) Oct 05 20:56:08 GeneralAntilles, once upon a time, there was a big bad bendy bus in London Oct 05 20:56:08 o_O Oct 05 20:56:19 IT'S NOT IN LONDON! Oct 05 20:56:35 isn't london the capital of europe? Oct 05 20:56:42 ;) Oct 05 20:56:43 And the BBBB (Big bad bendy bus) decided to discover Europe Oct 05 20:56:50 capital of france if my geography serves Oct 05 20:56:58 well maybe gender counts, since we were just talking about possibly getting people to accompany in going to the summit and you used the metaphor of licking some girl's feet or something Oct 05 20:57:01 i forgot Oct 05 20:57:16 Hehe Oct 05 20:57:17 so i guess i would expect most of the males to sort of freeze and not want to travel together in at axi? Oct 05 20:57:31 it wasn't a metaphor, it was a preposterous example of your assumptions Oct 05 20:57:34 aSIMULAter: maemo.org people are a weird breed Oct 05 20:58:09 anyway, I'm out, see y'all next week I guess Oct 05 20:58:10 went fine at MMDW, i think - well, we didn't really take taxis.. Oct 05 20:58:17 next? Oct 05 20:58:18 :P Oct 05 20:58:29 Later, crashanddie__. Oct 05 20:58:30 crashanddie__, beers Oct 05 20:58:35 ciao Oct 05 20:58:45 Stskeeps, right, this week Oct 05 20:58:54 * crashanddie__ didn't plan it that way Oct 05 20:58:58 find a nice cafe :) Oct 05 20:59:21 bye 2 u Oct 05 20:59:23 oh well, the new guy will have to do the stuff we were supposed to do together alone then Oct 05 20:59:32 * Jaffa wanders in to a weird conversation Oct 05 20:59:39 yes, yes you have Oct 05 20:59:40 * frals has a feeling this channel will be quite quiet the coming weekend Oct 05 21:00:02 frals: Nah, it'll be all "where are you? what you doing for dinner?" Oct 05 21:00:08 Jaffa, more than 3 grown men tapping a table just for the hell of it? Oct 05 21:00:09 hehe Oct 05 21:00:12 frals: or "omg harmattan" Oct 05 21:00:34 crashanddie__: There was booze involved then Oct 05 21:00:38 IRC is excellent for adding another layer of conversation to a silent conference room Oct 05 21:00:53 haha Oct 05 21:00:57 Last year it was good for heckling ;-) Oct 05 21:01:04 we use it quite successfully during lectures at uni... ;o Oct 05 21:01:05 Jaffa, but yeah, if you bastards pull the same fast one on me as you did in London, I'll be seriously pissed Oct 05 21:01:09 WTF is going on with my damned wifi Oct 05 21:01:27 crashanddie__: I'm just doing as I'm told. Like I did in London... Oct 05 21:01:35 Jaffa, it emits and miss? (a hit and miss?) Oct 05 21:02:19 then let's do it right from the start: you're waiting for me for dinner Oct 05 21:02:26 I'll probably be fashionably late again Oct 05 21:02:45 crashanddie__, no1 knows what they are doing from one minute to the next Oct 05 21:02:57 * lcuk will be on some rooftop all thursday Oct 05 21:03:05 god knows where on friday Oct 05 21:03:09 that badly hit by depression? Oct 05 21:03:10 and hungover on saturday Oct 05 21:03:34 * GeneralAntilles should pack warmer: http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/06240.html Oct 05 21:04:18 oh great, it's warm Oct 05 21:04:25 Cold. Oct 05 21:04:34 lol Oct 05 21:04:41 compared to here, that's summer Oct 05 21:04:42 you can tell those that live in finland Oct 05 21:04:43 Hmm. Coat weather Oct 05 21:04:54 * Jaffa had to get his big smart winter coat out today :-( Oct 05 21:05:01 i sure hope it isn't feeling like winter already like it did in finland. Oct 05 21:05:10 Warning: you may not be able to see my maemo shirt. :P Oct 05 21:05:26 * Jaffa said we should get maemo.org coats :-p Oct 05 21:05:39 heading for the first frost here (Fife, Scotland) Oct 05 21:05:44 it's friggin cold here Oct 05 21:05:45 it sucks Oct 05 21:05:50 and it's getting darker Oct 05 21:05:54 aSIMULAter: Not a native Finn? Oct 05 21:05:56 and this is the time of year when i ponder why i'm even living here Oct 05 21:06:04 hehe no i'm well...long story short Oct 05 21:06:07 n900 will brighten your life Oct 05 21:06:12 i'm from california who lived in london then moved to finland :P Oct 05 21:06:21 Ah. California's quite warm :) Oct 05 21:06:26 yz indeed Oct 05 21:06:33 Although SF's a bit breezy when I've been Oct 05 21:06:45 so cal ftw Oct 05 21:07:01 finland's nice except the weather which starts about now and ends in march Oct 05 21:07:14 well southern .fi isnt that bad Oct 05 21:07:37 it's +1 outside Oct 05 21:07:39 that's bad Oct 05 21:07:51 aSIMULAter: Nippy Oct 05 21:07:56 toadally Oct 05 21:08:02 and this country hates me Oct 05 21:08:10 i ended up getting allergies since moving here Oct 05 21:08:11 * lcuk puts a jumper on in sympathy Oct 05 21:08:16 a bit of asthma Oct 05 21:08:22 eczema Oct 05 21:08:26 my hair is falling out Oct 05 21:08:37 hmm, ~5C here atm, not that bad Oct 05 21:08:56 aSIMULAter: isn't that just from having to deal with maemo on a daily basis? ;) Oct 05 21:09:02 my body isn't made for the almost arctic winters :/ Oct 05 21:09:15 Stskeeps: actually good point, that might just be it :P Oct 05 21:09:16 have to start closing the window when going to bed soon ;) Oct 05 21:09:32 or just not going outside at all, work from home nad crank up the heater to +30 Oct 05 21:09:56 now we know the real reason for northern lights - its aSIMULAter's generator Oct 05 21:10:03 i'm sure any grey hairs i have come from dealing with scratchbox. Oct 05 21:10:10 yeah so much for keeping on carbon footprint low :/ Oct 05 21:10:21 * lcuk went almost bald fighting dpkg Oct 05 21:10:31 that's a good point too, i have 2 white hairs on my head, probably from maemo who knows..or could be that i'm getting older one or hte other or both Oct 05 21:10:44 Getting older's better than the alternative... Oct 05 21:10:47 how do you know theres 2 Oct 05 21:10:54 cause my hair is black and u could see it :P Oct 05 21:11:10 didnt you pull em out and hide the truth :P Oct 05 21:11:31 i heard a stupid wives tale that if you pull them out they'll multiply Oct 05 21:11:37 so i just sort of leave em be Oct 05 21:11:38 haha Oct 05 21:11:46 maybe i can take a sharpie marker and just sort of colour it Oct 05 21:11:49 haha Oct 05 21:11:56 like in primary school.. Oct 05 21:11:56 I hate computers. Oct 05 21:12:00 +1 Oct 05 21:12:09 cause computer said no? Oct 05 21:12:21 Wifi connects. But then massive packet loss. Oct 05 21:12:25 * Jaffa hates wifi Oct 05 21:12:26 we once ended up ripping off half this classmates eyebrow Oct 05 21:12:37 because for some bizarre reason he got chewing gum caught in it Oct 05 21:12:49 lol Oct 05 21:12:52 lcuk: Was alcohol involved? Oct 05 21:12:56 or pcp Oct 05 21:12:59 no, we are about 12yo Oct 05 21:13:21 Again: Was alcohol involved? Oct 05 21:13:26 My next door neighbor got drunk at a party in high school and woke up with just one eyebrow. Oct 05 21:13:27 lol Oct 05 21:13:32 well time for me to nukku jaja hyvää yötä Oct 05 21:13:37 (good night) Oct 05 21:13:46 gnite aSIMULAter Oct 05 21:14:07 nn Oct 05 21:14:17 lcuk: 12yo = practically drunk anyway. If alcohol is involved or not. Oct 05 21:16:47 lcuk I just realixed the onedotzero videos that you are in are on the offical n900/maemo site...that is really cool Oct 05 21:17:09 * lcuk nods :) Oct 05 21:17:43 Jaffa, only idiots don't hate computers. Oct 05 21:17:45 they should pay you for using your face... Oct 05 21:17:49 :) Oct 05 21:18:20 Tadthebuilder: Eh? They're making a loss by using his face: people rush to close their browser Oct 05 21:18:35 haha Oct 05 21:19:28 Tadthebuilder, how are you this evening anyway Oct 05 21:19:34 meh Oct 05 21:19:41 just got rejected on a mortgage Oct 05 21:19:41 frals, new info on the mms Oct 05 21:19:42 due to zoning issues Oct 05 21:19:46 :S yikes Oct 05 21:19:50 wut where lcuk? Oct 05 21:20:01 Reply to thread 'Brainstorm: MMS Support' Oct 05 21:20:02 email Oct 05 21:20:04 * zeenix is playing(streaming) ogg files from N900 on his PS3 Oct 05 21:20:07 * frals reads Oct 05 21:20:19 its minor, but points to an mms implementation Oct 05 21:20:57 * lcuk is kicking his presentation Oct 05 21:21:11 why wont the damned thing compile \@/ Oct 05 21:21:26 i dont think kicking will help it compile Oct 05 21:21:31 throwing might though Oct 05 21:21:45 but I would not throw your n900 Oct 05 21:21:52 being one of 50 people who have them.... Oct 05 21:22:04 He can throw it in my direction Oct 05 21:22:58 or mine... Oct 05 21:23:01 actually Oct 05 21:23:05 yours would be a better one Oct 05 21:24:55 lol Oct 05 21:25:14 is bribery always wrong? Oct 05 21:25:27 no Oct 05 21:25:30 haha Oct 05 21:25:36 I'll say no if you give me £10 Oct 05 21:25:39 now give me money Oct 05 21:25:45 IF I was to bribe an apraiser into apraising property as residential rather than comercial... Oct 05 21:26:03 or bribe some in nokia to give me a n900 Oct 05 21:26:08 thats probably what eldar did Oct 05 21:27:13 or he broke in a took it like in mission impossible Oct 05 21:27:23 but anyway, I came in for a reason today, I had an idea Oct 05 21:27:25 but I forgot it Oct 05 21:27:30 so ill wait until it comes back... Oct 05 21:27:41 and shut up till then. Oct 05 21:27:59 YEEEEEEEEES! Oct 05 21:28:07 something to do with bribery & liqbase? Oct 05 21:28:11 Three URL records read off one EContact :-D Oct 05 21:28:15 Jaffa: feeling orgasmic? Oct 05 21:28:20 Congrats Oct 05 21:28:29 * javispedro fixes a bug only to find another Oct 05 21:28:30 * Jaffa has been doing some sick stuff with ctypes Oct 05 21:28:30 !!! jaffa Oct 05 21:28:37 i thought you had managed to connect to wifi Oct 05 21:28:41 but this is a much bigger deal Oct 05 21:28:43 lcuk: did that a minute ago Oct 05 21:28:47 :D Oct 05 21:28:50 ona roll Oct 05 21:28:59 are we speaking concerning mer? Oct 05 21:28:59 Connecting to wifi took longer than actually finishing off the PoC Oct 05 21:29:00 luck virus? Oct 05 21:29:01 cool, that guy who replied to the mmsthread seems to be mad enough to actually code MMS stuff Oct 05 21:29:16 Now to write a new URL to the GList. Oct 05 21:29:51 frals: will you pay for the cost of admitting him to ? Oct 05 21:30:02 :D Oct 05 21:31:10 im trying to figure out which guy was mad... Oct 05 21:32:44 anyone who sends MMSes is rich anyway Oct 05 21:34:17 hmm? Oct 05 21:34:46 I ahve sent a couple mmses in my lifetime, im not rich... Oct 05 21:34:54 though they are expensive Oct 05 21:35:01 in my opinion too expensive Oct 05 21:35:04 to send enough to test a client Oct 05 21:35:20 costs more to send an sms than to download data from hubble, per byte Oct 05 21:35:44 MMS = expensive? Oct 05 21:35:50 i send like 10 a day Oct 05 21:35:52 <_< Oct 05 21:35:58 i got free MMS, so i have to disagree :p Oct 05 21:36:02 yeah Oct 05 21:36:11 $5 a month gets me unlimited free MMS/SMS Oct 05 21:36:16 well not free Oct 05 21:36:17 or well, free within my operator, outside is like 0.15€ or smth Oct 05 21:36:18 what company? Oct 05 21:36:19 $5 a month Oct 05 21:36:22 TMobile Oct 05 21:36:25 ah Oct 05 21:36:28 verizon Oct 05 21:36:32 is much more expensive... Oct 05 21:36:41 CDMA providers are bad news. Oct 05 21:36:41 if it costs more than an email it's too expensive Oct 05 21:37:01 i was surprised actually, for $30/mo i get unlimited data/SMS Oct 05 21:37:06 not bad at all Oct 05 21:37:16 (it seems that n900wallpapers.com is becoming a success even before the n900 i released...) Oct 05 21:37:26 rm_you: what kind of speed is that? Oct 05 21:37:29 lol Oct 05 21:37:32 frade: 3G Oct 05 21:37:36 *frals Oct 05 21:37:53 wow. just wow. Oct 05 21:37:58 * rm_you looking at n900wallpapers Oct 05 21:37:59 best i can get is 5gb for 16€/month but after 5gb they cap speed to 64kbps for rest of the month :p Oct 05 21:38:11 T_T Oct 05 21:38:13 otherwise i get up to 7.2mbit or whatever it is Oct 05 21:38:22 can you get that data plan without a phone service? Oct 05 21:38:26 tmo is whatever 3G speed is, no limitations Oct 05 21:38:32 doubtful Oct 05 21:38:38 nah its addin to a voice plan here Oct 05 21:38:38 Tadthebuilder: ^ Oct 05 21:38:52 thats cheaper then broadband internet access where I am at...haha Oct 05 21:38:56 I can handle the speeds lol Oct 05 21:38:56 lol Oct 05 21:39:15 mobile phone companies only make a billion or so profit a year, they should increase their prices Oct 05 21:39:28 they would probably make less money if they did that Oct 05 21:39:45 at some point people would realize that people lived for thousands of tyears without cell phones Oct 05 21:39:49 and they can do that now too Oct 05 21:40:10 They need a "download all" button. Oct 05 21:40:11 my phone company hates me, I'm on PAYG and never make outgoing calls Oct 05 21:40:20 this may be a strange observation, but tell me what you think.... Oct 05 21:40:30 the internet as it went into peoples homes was done over phone lines Oct 05 21:40:41 now phone service is done over the internet Oct 05 21:40:41 they said I have to make a call every 6 months and top up every 999 days Oct 05 21:40:44 * SpeedEvil is still using his phone line Oct 05 21:40:51 dsl Oct 05 21:41:02 will we see the same progression in mobile phones? Oct 05 21:41:06 phone line cable, not phone line Oct 05 21:41:14 Tadthebuilder: huh? Oct 05 21:41:16 LTE is built on IP iirc Oct 05 21:41:18 will in the future we have a pocket computer that happens to be a phone? Oct 05 21:41:23 Holy fuck. Oct 05 21:41:25 http://n900wallpapers.com/wallpaper/super-mario-world---yoshis-island-1 Oct 05 21:41:39 we'll call it an iphone/n900/etc Oct 05 21:41:43 is ip phone service the future, even for mobile phones? Oct 05 21:42:04 Woohoo! New URL record added to a contact which already had 3 Oct 05 21:42:07 yes Oct 05 21:42:16 Yes, phone service will be TCP/IP very soon. Oct 05 21:42:26 I just think its kinda cool... Oct 05 21:42:27 n900wallpapers is a nice place to collect IP addresses of n900 owners now :D Oct 05 21:42:28 well, IP Oct 05 21:42:42 errr Oct 05 21:42:49 cell service is VOIP already Oct 05 21:42:51 BTW Oct 05 21:43:01 for a large number of carriers, at least Oct 05 21:43:02 not all Oct 05 21:43:12 landline phone networks are IP internally Oct 05 21:43:12 gnite chaps and chappeses Oct 05 21:43:16 (ie, you rm Oct 05 21:43:25 night Oct 05 21:43:36 Nokia 6300 can use flash as wallpaper, n900 can't :P Oct 05 21:43:38 night lcuk Oct 05 21:43:41 I was unaware of that Oct 05 21:43:56 qwerty12_N810, OK, where's my app to rotate background once a day? Oct 05 21:44:00 who would want flash as a wall paper? Oct 05 21:44:01 Didn't they give us an API for that? Oct 05 21:44:12 rotate by 90 degrees? Oct 05 21:44:17 nah, just 10 Oct 05 21:44:22 GeneralAntilles: /dev/my_ass Oct 05 21:44:36 Don't make me bring this trout over there. Oct 05 21:44:37 Tadthebuilder: who would use copy/paste?) Oct 05 21:45:04 rofl Oct 05 21:45:09 I use copy and paste on my n800 all the time. Flash as wallpaper add no real functionality to the device Oct 05 21:45:21 would love to rotate my desktop 10 degrees every day :P Oct 05 21:45:58 Hrmmmm is it worth it to buy a n800 when the n900 is up for preorder? Oct 05 21:46:25 Tadthebuilder: And I use flash wallpaper, like clock for example. So what? It's the user who decides if he wants to use something, not you or me Oct 05 21:46:29 Super Mario or Mars? Oct 05 21:46:40 JoeBrain, not unless you're planning on buying both. Oct 05 21:46:56 super mario Oct 05 21:47:02 or want something much cheaper Oct 05 21:47:07 * JoeBrain twiddles his thumbs for x months until n900 comes out Oct 05 21:47:20 Okay I could see the point of a flash wall paper being a clock but wouldnt it use more resources than a widget? Oct 05 21:47:42 * Tadthebuilder always thinks about minimizing used resources because of his 512 megs of ram on desktop Oct 05 21:49:18 Tadthebuilder: again, it's a matter of choice, not exact solutions Oct 05 21:49:23 lol Oct 05 21:49:30 super mario wallpaper Oct 05 21:49:47 i think its good he made that website Oct 05 21:50:00 some people were discouraging him at one point Oct 05 21:50:14 The only mistake is the name Oct 05 21:50:14 (or maybe that was a theme website people said he shoudl not make..) Oct 05 21:50:24 what should the name be? Oct 05 21:50:36 seems pretty straight forward to me haha Oct 05 21:51:31 BTW, not long ago I've asked community if it would be cool to make design-centric maemo site) Oct 05 21:52:57 It's like .11.34-70.760kbwallpapers.commaemo4.1 Oct 05 21:53:11 * javispedro fixes a bug then adds the workaround into his code either way :) Oct 05 21:53:15 What the Oct 05 21:53:54 wazd: you lost me Oct 05 21:53:54 the name is SEO'd Oct 05 21:54:01 SEO Oct 05 21:54:03 ? Oct 05 21:54:22 SEO must die!11) Oct 05 21:54:29 what is SEO? Oct 05 21:54:48 Search engine optimisation Oct 05 21:55:04 * GeneralAntilles wonders how to make these sets automagically. Oct 05 21:55:13 Hi. Oct 05 21:55:28 Theme maker can do that Oct 05 21:55:41 Well, it has template for that) Oct 05 21:55:42 wazd, not a feature of hildon-desktop? Oct 05 21:56:42 If I'm not all to rude, I would like to steal some of your help. :x Oct 05 21:57:05 How do I pull the wlan-card out of monitor mode? :x Oct 05 21:57:41 chewtoy what device? Oct 05 21:57:48 n810 Oct 05 21:58:10 do you mean like an offline mode Oct 05 21:58:17 GeneralAntilles: maybe I didn't get your point) Oct 05 21:58:31 Well. I can't find any networks anymore.. And that's about it.. Oct 05 21:59:04 GeneralAntilles: you mean n900 wallpapers? Oct 05 21:59:08 hmm not sure Oct 05 21:59:19 Yeah Oct 05 21:59:30 I tried to get kismet to work and to understand it. Now it just don't want to find networks anymore. So I'm guessing I did something bad. Oct 05 22:00:17 I have a tendency to do bad things to my tablets/computers too Oct 05 22:01:24 i am still surprised every time I see a 800x480 Oct 05 22:01:26 wallpaper Oct 05 22:01:32 damn, this gadget has a kick ass dpi. Oct 05 22:01:36 Is there some command in the x terminal to show what the wireless is doing at all? Oct 05 22:01:46 yeah Oct 05 22:02:01 the screens nokia uses are afuckingmazing Oct 05 22:02:26 GeneralAntilles: well, it's just a wide image, I think it's not hard to make simple script to combine 4 images into one) Oct 05 22:03:44 Maybe some more advanced drag'n'drop ui will work Oct 05 22:06:48 i just hope the resistive screen is any good Oct 05 22:06:58 for usage without the stylus. Oct 05 22:07:06 bah. Oct 05 22:07:11 it is already on the n810. Oct 05 22:07:33 Woohoo! Hermes just linked my wife's contacts' entry to her Facebook profile in the "URL" field :-) Oct 05 22:08:05 Party time?) Oct 05 22:08:11 nice Jaffa :) Oct 05 22:08:24 * VDVsx grabs some beers :) Oct 05 22:08:31 cant wait to test it out whenever the n900 lands ^^ Oct 05 22:08:49 With URL saving, manual mapping becomes a real possibility Oct 05 22:11:05 Is it easy to package up something for maemo? Oct 05 22:11:13 no Oct 05 22:11:16 well Oct 05 22:11:17 Not too bad Oct 05 22:11:24 it depends. how many virgins do you have at hand? Oct 05 22:12:11 baaah, of course it's easy. Oct 05 22:12:54 7 virgins Oct 05 22:13:00 At last count Oct 05 22:13:09 that earns you a package that installs but doesn't purge correctly. Oct 05 22:13:27 Hmmm Oct 05 22:13:44 I.ll need to quest some more then Oct 05 22:14:15 yes. Oct 05 22:14:19 and I'll sleep. cy. Oct 05 22:14:47 OK, Super Mario Bros background is officially the coolest thing ever. Oct 05 22:15:15 Ttfn Oct 05 22:15:16 :) Oct 05 22:15:30 lol Oct 05 22:16:27 I might try and package up my app next weekend :) Oct 05 22:16:37 That will be exciting Oct 05 22:16:43 yeah there will be some gurus there Oct 05 22:18:35 check out py2deb article in the wiki for a simpler packaging way Oct 05 22:19:35 python apps? Oct 05 22:19:41 EspadaV8_P: What kind of app is it? Oct 05 22:20:03 Qt Oct 05 22:20:05 4 Oct 05 22:20:39 EspadaV8_P: ... And what does it do? Oct 05 22:21:40 EspadaV8_P: The Qt4 Wiki article has a section on packaging a Qt4 app. I like packaging anything that is not a Qt4 app :) Oct 05 22:21:49 It's an IM app Oct 05 22:22:01 s/article/article on the maemo.org wiki/ Oct 05 22:22:02 qwerty12_N810 meant: EspadaV8_P: The Qt4 Wiki article on the maemo.org wiki has a section on packaging a Qt4 app. I like packaging anything that is not a Qt4 app :) Oct 05 22:22:11 :( that doesn't sound good Oct 05 22:38:14 Oh lordy Oct 05 22:38:26 That doesn't look easy :( Oct 05 22:39:08 Someone should create a script for it ;) Oct 05 22:41:13 GeneralAntilles: Thanks. Yes, the SMB background is awesome. Want it? :) Oct 05 22:41:49 Got it. ;) Oct 05 22:41:50 Anyone got wiicontrol working on the N900? Oct 05 22:42:06 I get dbus errors. :/ Oct 05 22:43:55 the guy from the video Oct 05 22:43:56 had it working Oct 05 22:44:01 Yes, I know. Oct 05 22:44:09 Wiicontrol? Oct 05 22:44:23 Guess I'll wait for him to show up. Oct 05 22:44:29 do you know who it was? Oct 05 22:44:33 I could use the n900 as a controller? Oct 05 22:44:43 wiicontrol is a program that sinks the wiimote to the n[900 Oct 05 22:44:52 Ah Oct 05 22:44:54 (or n800, n810...maybe even the 770 not sure though) Oct 05 22:44:59 zerojay: give me your n900, I'll get it working :) Oct 05 22:45:08 Not the n900 to the wii Oct 05 22:45:14 yes other way around Oct 05 22:45:22 using the n900 as a wii controller would be kinda strange Oct 05 22:45:26 (and much less useful) Oct 05 22:45:50 konttori, Tadthebuilder Oct 05 22:46:00 What could you do with a wiicontroller on the n900? Oct 05 22:46:09 emulation Oct 05 22:46:10 game control Oct 05 22:46:12 Can't point at it Oct 05 22:46:18 Hmmm Oct 05 22:46:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4 <-- n900 + wiimote in action Oct 05 22:46:22 ah the other program that does the same thing Oct 05 22:46:28 oh wait Oct 05 22:46:32 no that is the guys nam Oct 05 22:46:34 e Oct 05 22:46:39 * EspadaV8_P is unsure of the usefulness Oct 05 22:46:50 its only useful for fun Oct 05 22:46:52 but Oct 05 22:46:58 watch the video espadav8_p :) Oct 05 22:46:59 +tvout Oct 05 22:47:07 now if you could pair two of them.... Oct 05 22:47:23 Kynky, what's the title for the video? Oct 05 22:47:23 its bt, dont see ynot Oct 05 22:47:43 snes on n900 [is title] Oct 05 22:47:51 On the phone so can't open links Oct 05 22:48:07 wait Oct 05 22:48:22 you can hook up more than one device with bluetooth? Oct 05 22:48:27 Of course. Oct 05 22:48:42 The PS3 and Wii both use Bluetooth for the controllers. Oct 05 22:48:59 PS3 requires pairing over USB first though. Oct 05 22:49:06 and n900 is just linux Oct 05 22:49:18 Doesn't matter. Oct 05 22:49:18 the possibilities are endless Oct 05 22:49:35 I thought that they had a bluetooth receiver per controller you could hook up Oct 05 22:49:43 so is it a software limit of four? Oct 05 22:49:49 No. Oct 05 22:49:52 Ok, that is awesome Oct 05 22:49:54 linux supports xpad, wireless 360 pads , ftw Oct 05 22:49:55 PS3 can do up to 8. Oct 05 22:50:06 ah Oct 05 22:50:06 is that a hardware limitation? Oct 05 22:50:09 No. Oct 05 22:50:19 Linux on PS3 had a limitation of 2 paired controllers. Oct 05 22:50:22 is there a limit anywhere? Oct 05 22:50:24 Limitation of BlueZ. Oct 05 22:50:34 by limit Oct 05 22:50:37 I mean hardware limit Oct 05 22:50:55 Asked and answered. Oct 05 22:51:10 not exactly Oct 05 22:51:12 haha Oct 05 22:51:13 4 pads with 360 dongle i think Oct 05 22:51:25 Tadthebuilder: No, exactly. Oct 05 22:51:27 I asked if it was a hardware limition, not if their was one....slightly different questions Oct 05 22:51:40 I already answered. Oct 05 22:52:16 im a bit confused Oct 05 22:52:22 should I think of bluetooth Oct 05 22:52:24 like wirless Oct 05 22:52:27 wireless* networking Oct 05 22:52:27 yes Oct 05 22:52:37 but very short range Oct 05 22:52:46 bluetooth *is* wireless networking :P Oct 05 22:52:46 PAN Oct 05 22:52:52 bt is low power short range wireless communication Oct 05 22:53:01 Every controller has a MAC address, etc... Oct 05 22:53:04 ah okay Oct 05 22:53:14 so Oct 05 22:53:24 this means it would be possible to take a n900 Oct 05 22:53:25 to someones house Oct 05 22:53:28 hook it up to their tv Oct 05 22:53:34 yes Oct 05 22:53:34 and play super mario kart four player Oct 05 22:53:38 yes Oct 05 22:53:44 No. Oct 05 22:53:45 like in that video i posted Oct 05 22:53:46 assuming the software stack supports that Oct 05 22:54:05 Because Super Mario doesn't do 4 players from what I remember. :) Oct 05 22:54:10 there's nothing in the hardware that would prevent that :P Oct 05 22:54:20 it does 2 player, lol Oct 05 22:54:24 haha Oct 05 22:54:25 never mind then Oct 05 22:54:31 :) Oct 05 22:54:34 game limitation Oct 05 22:54:36 that was the only use case I saw for it Oct 05 22:54:40 jkp Oct 05 22:54:52 Play on the road, come home, hook it up, play some more. Oct 05 22:54:53 well someone should get on making wiicontrol hook up multiple wiimotes Oct 05 22:55:05 and the n900 slogan: A party in your pocket Oct 05 22:55:27 and everyone's invited! Oct 05 22:55:35 ..but then you go up to a woman and ask her to pull out your Wii from your pocket? Oct 05 22:55:37 tegra chip supports 720p output Oct 05 22:55:59 in twelve days Oct 05 22:55:59 can the decoder actually decode anything 720p at 25fps? :P Oct 05 22:56:00 ill ask my wfie Oct 05 22:56:03 wife* Oct 05 22:56:17 tvout is pal/ntsc Oct 05 22:56:39 It's gonna look like shit, but oh well. Oct 05 22:56:40 so basically 480i iirc Oct 05 22:56:53 bbl Oct 05 22:57:04 well if its the snes emulator I think it wont look too much worse than an nes over coaxial Oct 05 22:57:11 snes* Oct 05 22:57:24 should be basically the same Oct 05 22:57:27 like we dont need 720p for snes Oct 05 22:57:55 if anything will look better as emulator does better rendering than snes did Oct 05 22:58:20 the games never supported 720p Oct 05 22:58:36 even the gamecube max was 480p on games Oct 05 22:58:38 of course not Oct 05 22:58:43 think wii is 480p too Oct 05 22:58:46 that is what I was saying Oct 05 22:58:58 720p did not exist in 1995 Oct 05 22:59:04 it did Oct 05 22:59:15 highend computers? Oct 05 22:59:15 my computer monitor didway bigger Oct 05 22:59:18 no Oct 05 22:59:23 normal computers Oct 05 22:59:23 low end computers? Oct 05 22:59:28 ah okay Oct 05 22:59:35 what is the resolution of 720p? Oct 05 22:59:58 SNES did 256x224. Oct 05 23:00:07 So I'm not talking about resolution being shitty. Oct 05 23:00:14 i had 1600x1200 crt monitor back then, so 1200p, which is bigger than 1080p Oct 05 23:00:50 so whats is going to be poor quality? framerate? Oct 05 23:01:12 1080p is 16:9 Oct 05 23:01:13 I really have to spell it out for you? Oct 05 23:01:17 pal is like 25fps, ntsc is 30fps, so frame rate is fine Oct 05 23:01:25 Nothing to do with framerate. Oct 05 23:01:28 think n900 will cope easily Oct 05 23:01:33 Talking about the actual image quality. Oct 05 23:02:01 RCA out when you've been on nothing but HDMI for two or three years... Oct 05 23:02:10 emulated image quality is way better than original super eagle mode etc Oct 05 23:02:12 Including SNES games.... Oct 05 23:02:24 hmmm Oct 05 23:02:33 Ive never used hdmi cables on anything Oct 05 23:02:35 so Oct 05 23:02:38 ... I wont notice Oct 05 23:02:41 well Oct 05 23:02:42 Maybe not. Oct 05 23:02:43 snes games look better interlaced anywy, try donkey kong country 3 in non interlaced, looks worse Oct 05 23:02:44 wouldnt notice Oct 05 23:02:59 cause I cannot afford an n900 Oct 05 23:03:02 :) Oct 05 23:03:09 im actually kinda hoping Oct 05 23:03:28 a person sells it cause he cannot figure it out and I can pick it up for cheap used.... Oct 05 23:03:29 sorta Oct 05 23:04:38 I've been doing SNES and a lot more on my PS3 through Linux upscaled to 720P or 1080P with various graphics filters for a while. Oct 05 23:04:49 gotya Oct 05 23:04:51 Kind of depressing seeing the PS3 Slim no longer supports Linux. Oct 05 23:05:02 how does that compare to a softmodded xbox emulating things? Oct 05 23:05:10 other than the fact that the ps3 is whole lot more powerful Oct 05 23:05:17 Well, it's not in our case. Oct 05 23:05:27 softmodded xbox supports upto 1080i Oct 05 23:05:27 The Xbox wins with some stuff Oct 05 23:05:50 why is the ps3 not more powerful? Oct 05 23:05:55 or how Oct 05 23:05:57 i mean Oct 05 23:06:01 In Linux, the PS3 does not have ANY graphics acceleration whatsoever. Oct 05 23:06:02 I know that it should be... Oct 05 23:06:06 Not 3d, not even 2d. Oct 05 23:06:06 cos ps3 linux, is crippled, not full power of ps3 Oct 05 23:06:07 ah Oct 05 23:06:10 that could be problematic Oct 05 23:06:25 I have a softmodded xbox somewhere... Oct 05 23:06:27 not sure where though Oct 05 23:06:33 xbox has nvidia geforce 3.5 iirc Oct 05 23:06:52 between 3 and 4 Oct 05 23:07:01 What I did is I used one of the SPEs in CELL to do the upscaling and take it away from the CPU... so I just tell the emulators to emulate at the original resolution. So SNES runs at 256x224 and then gets upscaled. Oct 05 23:07:24 ah makes sense Oct 05 23:07:32 zsnes and snes9x look well good Oct 05 23:07:41 The softmodded Xbox would still be the way to go except for MAME, where no one's bothered to rewrite the controller input code since it changed back in v0.85. Oct 05 23:07:43 I almost built a mame cabinet around my xbox...but decided it was too much work Oct 05 23:07:58 I had mame installed and it worked. Oct 05 23:08:08 (still have if i knew where it was...) Oct 05 23:08:18 Most stuff still runs fast enough on the PS3 though, especially with the CELL doing scaling for us. Oct 05 23:08:24 xbox is bad for mame cos of low speed and even worse its lack of ram, linux/windows does better for mame Oct 05 23:08:38 my xbox does mame much better than my desktop computer Oct 05 23:08:52 The real problem for MAME is also the fact that it's stuck at a SUPER old version. Oct 05 23:08:59 ah okay Oct 05 23:09:05 xbox is 600mhz, it struggles oon the super bust a moves Oct 05 23:09:06 but xbox is x86 processor right? Oct 05 23:09:12 Yes. Oct 05 23:09:22 that should making porting easier correct? Oct 05 23:09:28 CELL = powerpc, another issue making porting harder. Oct 05 23:09:31 Sure does. Oct 05 23:09:49 xbox had like 256 mb ram Oct 05 23:09:51 when I softmodded my xbox Oct 05 23:09:52 I'm still wondering how it is that every console ended up as PPC Oct 05 23:09:54 it was out in the open Oct 05 23:09:57 dev units had 512mb Oct 05 23:10:12 BZZT. Xbox had 128MB, dev boxes had 256. Oct 05 23:10:13 but aparently at somepoint in time someone said it was ilegal and I could not find alot of stuff concerning it. Oct 05 23:10:26 zeenix, well even worse then :) Oct 05 23:10:26 something about it was believe that some stuff had been made with a stolen development kit Oct 05 23:10:57 Almost everything on the Xbox was made with the XDK which is completely illegal. Oct 05 23:11:12 Which also taints the binaries as illegal. Oct 05 23:11:24 ah that must be what it was then Oct 05 23:11:26 haha Oct 05 23:11:32 when I installed the stuff I had no idae Oct 05 23:11:37 but I went to do it for someone else Oct 05 23:11:43 and I could not find any of the emulators or anything Oct 05 23:11:45 cromwell bios was legal, so you could legally run linux on it, and with linux you could run mame etc as long as you owned the games Oct 05 23:11:47 The 360 XDK is almost exactly the same. lol Oct 05 23:12:06 well yeah Oct 05 23:12:18 the mame games I used were downloads from the legal list of mame website Oct 05 23:13:09 I have to laugh at them using Powermac G5s for the E3 demo units. Oct 05 23:13:13 so n900 should support mame, if it can run debian, should do a better job than xbox in some respects Oct 05 23:13:13 someone should make a console that can be directly developed for with a scratchbox like set up Oct 05 23:13:20 it was lower the entry for making games Oct 05 23:13:23 for the systems Oct 05 23:13:39 Open Pandora? Oct 05 23:13:47 openpandora is good, can do dreamcast now Oct 05 23:14:03 I looked at that recently Oct 05 23:14:05 and Im skeptical Oct 05 23:14:14 I checked out the linux dcast emulator Oct 05 23:14:21 only few hundred units left for this year Oct 05 23:14:24 kynky: wrong nick? Oct 05 23:14:33 and aparently only like two games work perfectly Oct 05 23:14:44 and many dont work at all Oct 05 23:14:48 unless Oct 05 23:14:57 for some reason the arm processor makes the games run faster or something Oct 05 23:14:59 zeenix, yeah, sorry, damn autocomplete Oct 05 23:15:08 Dreamcast = ARM, so... yeah. :) Oct 05 23:15:36 ah okay Oct 05 23:15:41 then I guess it is possible Oct 05 23:15:44 dreamcasr was iwindows ce which ran on arm :) , in many respects an xbox beta Oct 05 23:15:44 darni t Oct 05 23:15:53 wait Oct 05 23:15:57 dreamcast ran on windows ce? Oct 05 23:16:07 yes itsaid it on the case Oct 05 23:16:15 i must of not read the case Oct 05 23:16:22 games were written in directx Oct 05 23:16:30 interesting Oct 05 23:16:40 had the sdk Oct 05 23:16:47 but a working dreamcast emulator on the n900 would make me really want one Oct 05 23:16:53 Windows CE was only used in a handful of Dreamcast games. Oct 05 23:17:09 (or a pandora....) Oct 05 23:17:15 Dreamcast didn't run on Windows CE. Oct 05 23:17:30 (Or I could just buy a used dreamcast...but then I would need a tv too) Oct 05 23:17:33 CE was just a separate framework available to developers to use for their games. Oct 05 23:17:34 soul calibre on the n900 wwould be sweet Oct 05 23:17:45 with some sort of controler... Oct 05 23:17:51 wiimote? Oct 05 23:18:10 And Dreamcast games were not written in DirectX, sorry. Oct 05 23:18:19 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1998/May98/Segagmpr.mspx Oct 05 23:18:32 it was, i had sdk Oct 05 23:18:38 Xbox games were, but with certain DirectX calls being dummied out but still available. Oct 05 23:19:03 Okay, I need one more person to check out and rate my app Oct 05 23:19:08 kynky: I developed on Dreamcast. DirectX was NOT available. Oct 05 23:19:12 Who wants to be a hero? Oct 05 23:19:21 not me Oct 05 23:19:35 Don't let him con you! Oct 05 23:19:36 what do i have to do to be aheero? Oct 05 23:19:36 zerojay, the sdk i used integrated in visual studio Oct 05 23:19:37 antihero maybe Oct 05 23:19:39 This very is the bricker! Oct 05 23:19:49 s/very/version/ Oct 05 23:19:50 GeneralAntilles meant: This version is the bricker! Oct 05 23:19:53 kynky: You *MUST* be confused with the Xbox XDK then. Oct 05 23:19:58 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9 Oct 05 23:20:21 cant help you Oct 05 23:20:23 no n900 Oct 05 23:20:32 I would test it if you had one though Oct 05 23:20:43 I had one I mean Oct 05 23:20:46 http://www.angelfire.com/hero/herculesdc/DCWinCE.html <-- Windows. CE Toolkit 2.1 for Dreamcast Oct 05 23:20:47 heh Oct 05 23:20:58 It's the thought that counts Oct 05 23:21:03 kynky: I'm not talking about CE. Oct 05 23:21:10 to bad the thought cant get me a n900 hehe Oct 05 23:21:22 I hear that :) Oct 05 23:21:41 if you get me on Oct 05 23:21:47 ill test every piece of software you right for the next 5 years Oct 05 23:21:51 on the n900 Oct 05 23:21:57 or linux desktop Oct 05 23:21:59 :) Oct 05 23:22:05 one* Oct 05 23:22:09 *write Oct 05 23:22:09 write not right Oct 05 23:22:18 offer is open for anyone Oct 05 23:22:21 I've already written three apps for the N900, and five for the N8x0 Oct 05 23:22:21 kynky: Only like... 10 games ever used CE on the Dreamcast. I can promise you that not a single game other than those ever used DirectX for anything. Oct 05 23:22:38 If you get me one, I'll be sort-of grateful for a whole 10 minutes! Oct 05 23:22:46 zerojay what games did you have a hand in development Oct 05 23:22:54 lcuk i thought you said goodnight and left? Oct 05 23:22:56 SpeedEvil: I don't know, I think there are better offers out there... Oct 05 23:22:58 im just saying i programmed dc stuff on that sdk in visual studio, citied 2 proofs Oct 05 23:23:10 Tadthebuilder: I can't talk about that. Oct 05 23:23:15 oh Oct 05 23:23:16 i think i said i was goin, ive got tonnes to do Oct 05 23:23:31 just comin up for air and askin a few questions Oct 05 23:23:42 is that how you spell tonnes? I thought it was tons.) Oct 05 23:23:55 would your name by on the credits in the games? Oct 05 23:23:59 Tadthebuilder, ignore the Brit. ;) Oct 05 23:24:00 zerojay, what sdk did you use ? Oct 05 23:24:12 oh yeah Oct 05 23:24:16 they spell things differently Oct 05 23:24:22 like colour, and honour, and centre Oct 05 23:24:22 One of the guys I work with now was developer technical support at Sega and worked on Quake and some of the stuff he told me was amazing... like how the piracy was caused by a promotion with a Japanese pop star. Oct 05 23:24:26 our tonnes weigh more Oct 05 23:24:36 kynky: KATANA. Oct 05 23:24:43 nice Oct 05 23:24:54 so you have more things to do when you say you have tonnes to do then when I say I have tons to do/ Oct 05 23:25:16 I don't remember the middleware we used though... almost all DC games used it.. ugh... Oct 05 23:25:33 now I want a dreamcast...but id rather have an n900 Oct 05 23:25:54 my older brother tried to cut the dreamcast in half when he went to college since it was both of ours... Oct 05 23:25:56 ebay for the first... Oct 05 23:25:57 im showing my youth again... Oct 05 23:26:26 I had a Japanese Dreamcast I bought six months ahead of US launch with 4 games for $500. Oct 05 23:26:36 And then sold it a week before US launch for $550. lol Oct 05 23:26:49 I just got a brand new DC a few weeks ago Oct 05 23:26:52 New in box. Oct 05 23:26:55 thats a quick way to make a a buck or fifty Oct 05 23:26:59 how did you get a new one? Oct 05 23:27:10 * b-man16 pokes xnt14 Oct 05 23:27:11 they still making new dc games :) Oct 05 23:27:14 Ah hah.. the firmware we used was CRIWare. Oct 05 23:27:15 maybe sega decided it was a mistake to discontinue it and they are picking up where they left off? Oct 05 23:27:21 :) Oct 05 23:27:27 b-man16, konichiwa xD Oct 05 23:27:39 Tadthebuilder: No, some places like Amazon and ThinkGeek found some in their own warehouses. Oct 05 23:27:45 Got it for $100. Oct 05 23:27:51 that is pretty cool Oct 05 23:27:59 I was kidding about them picking up where they left off Oct 05 23:28:04 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-DREAMCAST-2-CONTROLLERS-LEADS-10-GAMES_W0QQitemZ160367479520QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles?hash=item2556a58ae0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Oct 05 23:28:07 not too spendy Oct 05 23:28:07 imho dreamcast > ripped of cd player extension to snes, aka psx Oct 05 23:28:09 :) Oct 05 23:28:21 and ps2 Oct 05 23:28:30 im confused by your statement kynky Oct 05 23:28:32 kynky: Uh.. no. Oct 05 23:28:41 PS2 was released after DC. Oct 05 23:28:45 yep Oct 05 23:28:52 still preferred dc Oct 05 23:28:54 And Sega was not privy to the SNES CD-ROM attachment. Oct 05 23:29:17 wonder what it costs to get a dc shipped from brittian to US Oct 05 23:29:26 i was meaning sony was Oct 05 23:29:28 7 n900's Oct 05 23:29:45 (that was also a joke) Oct 05 23:29:46 Tadthebuilder: I assume they're on ebay.com too - that's my ebay search link Oct 05 23:29:47 Tadthebuilder: Sony was one of two companies Nintendo partnered up with to create a CD based addon for the SNES, making it a 32-bit machine. Nintendo flipped out and Sony took the technology and made Playstation. Oct 05 23:29:59 yep Oct 05 23:30:00 Tadthebuilder: sorry. Don't do jokes. Long day :) Oct 05 23:30:26 i was too you to keep up with technology back then :) Oct 05 23:30:36 I just got whatever system I could talk my parents into buying for Christimas Oct 05 23:30:38 Tadthebuilder: The other company that was partnered up with Nintendo, Phillips, got the ability to license Nintendo characters for their own games... and they did when they released the Phillips CD-i.. and made the worst Zelda and Mario games EVER. Oct 05 23:30:42 (If I could) Oct 05 23:30:52 cd-i was awful Oct 05 23:30:58 ive never heard of that Oct 05 23:31:06 any emulators for it? I want to play these horrible games Oct 05 23:31:18 sony knew how todo marketing though, sega did it really bad in comparison Oct 05 23:31:23 and saturn was awesome Oct 05 23:31:24 There is, but I don't remember it being very good. Oct 05 23:31:38 Sega fucked up massively. The 32X killed them. Oct 05 23:31:50 but dreamcast Oct 05 23:31:52 fond memories Oct 05 23:31:57 of the hidden mode in power stone that was first person Oct 05 23:32:01 I thought that was aweome Oct 05 23:32:07 the vmus should have been rechargable Oct 05 23:32:13 They promised the world to game devs and promised that Saturn would be out at the same time but only be for the hardcore. Oct 05 23:32:14 note: give me a break I was 12...) Oct 05 23:32:20 A lot of companies got pissed. Oct 05 23:32:40 And then when Saturn went down in flames, EA got really pissed and vowed to never put out games on another Sega console again. Oct 05 23:32:46 And that's why Dreamcast died. Oct 05 23:32:48 No EA. Oct 05 23:32:53 sonys licensing was very permissive, hence the slew of really rubbish gams Oct 05 23:33:05 And EA went out and made their own console instead. Oct 05 23:33:08 http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-w-3-controllers-6-games-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ260484304522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games?hash=item3ca6130e8a&_trksid=p4295.c0.m299 Oct 05 23:33:23 EA made there own console? Oct 05 23:33:29 Yes, they sure did. Oct 05 23:33:32 ea=evil , hated what they did to criterion and westwood studios Oct 05 23:33:35 is thirty pounds about equal to fifty USD? Oct 05 23:33:35 The 3D0. :) Oct 05 23:33:48 kynky: What did they do to Criterion? Oct 05 23:33:48 I dont remember the 3DO either Oct 05 23:33:53 must of not done well Oct 05 23:33:56 What they're doing to Bioware doesn't look good either. Oct 05 23:34:05 Tadthebuilder: pretty much Oct 05 23:34:10 They tend to make good sports games though Oct 05 23:34:19 and they pay a whole lot of money to stop sega from being able to compete Oct 05 23:34:24 Tadthebuilder: I think it's bouncing around 1.6 dollars to the pound at the moment Oct 05 23:34:32 criterion owned burnout series and also owned a widely used 3d dev platform for games, which many companies used Oct 05 23:34:43 ah gotya Oct 05 23:34:47 kynky: You're about to put your foot in your mouth. :) Oct 05 23:34:52 ? Oct 05 23:35:03 Criterion worked on Renderware, a very highly used middleware. Oct 05 23:35:09 yeah Oct 05 23:35:09 Renderware still lives on. Oct 05 23:35:15 But EA only now. Oct 05 23:35:23 Burnout Paradise runs on Renderware. Oct 05 23:35:25 well i thought ea bought them out, criterion that is Oct 05 23:35:27 No. Oct 05 23:35:44 what was the name of the system with the horrible zelda? Oct 05 23:35:44 burnout2 was last criterion game i thought o(of burnout series) Oct 05 23:35:44 EA bought them, but it was not some sort of evil takeover. lol Oct 05 23:36:25 I talk to the guys at Criterion all the time. I'm one of their 16 top handpicked best players in Burnout Paradise. They send me shit all the time.. I talk to Alex Ward... lol Oct 05 23:36:40 I'm the reason they started a public Bugzilla. Oct 05 23:37:03 well the menu systems to me after burnout 2 got very ea-ified Oct 05 23:37:15 EA has nothing bad to do with Burnout or Criterion, at least as far as the company themselves feel. Oct 05 23:37:18 i loved burnout2 Oct 05 23:37:47 well the menu systems got a very need for speed feel to me after Oct 05 23:37:55 note to self: Do not get in an argument with zerojay he knows what he is talking about Oct 05 23:38:09 I asked Alex about how so many people think EA had anything to do with anything in the game and they don't and told me a funny story about it... that I can't really talk about here unfortunately. Oct 05 23:38:41 the cd-i kinda looks like a vcr Oct 05 23:38:51 They wanted me to work for them.. but I just didn't feel like I could cross the ocean for it when I was happy at my current job. :/ Oct 05 23:39:19 Search for my name on their website. You're sure to have a laugh. :) Oct 05 23:39:51 got no problem with what u saying zerojay Oct 05 23:40:03 but burnout2 still my fav in series Oct 05 23:40:18 Alex was surprised when I said i never played 1 or 2. Oct 05 23:40:29 Just played from 3 onwards. Oct 05 23:40:54 didnt like crash mode in burnout paradise Oct 05 23:41:11 http://www.criteriongames.com/search.php?authorID=8 Oct 05 23:41:13 Hehe. Oct 05 23:41:33 Here's me finishing off my 350 challenges with Simes and Jez from Criterion. Oct 05 23:41:39 Enjoy my headgear. :P Oct 05 23:43:07 I wear the pacman hat all the time at work... lol. Oct 05 23:43:13 lol Oct 05 23:43:34 I like the pictures of the cd-i zelda games Oct 05 23:43:41 very cool style of art in my opinion Oct 05 23:43:45 There's vids on youtube. Oct 05 23:43:54 I hate you for not making the Summit, zerojay. :P Oct 05 23:44:28 cd-i got in news alot in uk for its overly realistic games, iirc Oct 05 23:44:29 I hate me for not making summit either. Hehe. Oct 05 23:44:39 im reading the wiki Oct 05 23:44:42 and I found an emulator...haha Oct 05 23:44:44 GeneralAntilles: Wanted me to bring the hat? lol Oct 05 23:45:03 * GeneralAntilles still hasn't found a propeller beanie for his video conferencing setup. Oct 05 23:45:18 The sword is used to attack enemies, fire deadly Power Blasts and communicate with friendly villagers Oct 05 23:45:22 We had some reporter from a Canadian video game show show up at our studio and when she saw me, she flipped out. lol Oct 05 23:45:22 um Oct 05 23:45:29 thats effective communication Oct 05 23:45:42 why did she flip out? Oct 05 23:46:14 Because she LOVED the hat so much. Oct 05 23:46:29 Everyone was asking to take pictures with her and she came up and asked to take a pic with me. lol Oct 05 23:47:32 haha Oct 05 23:47:46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3705307914/ :D Oct 05 23:48:35 She challenged me in Street Fighter 4.. lol. Oct 05 23:49:37 did she win? Oct 05 23:50:12 hah Oct 05 23:50:21 daniel drom sg1 is on andromeda Oct 05 23:51:05 drom is an interesting last name Oct 05 23:51:13 Tadthebuilder: We couldn't play. Her camera guy told her that they had to rush out.. she gave me her business card and told me she'd give me a call when she was in town next for the match. Oct 05 23:51:27 sounds likes she is flirting with you Oct 05 23:53:55 cool zerojay Oct 05 23:55:52 Tadthebuilder: You aren't the only one that thought so. Oct 05 23:56:06 haha Oct 05 23:56:13 if your not married Oct 05 23:56:19 I say flirt back Oct 05 23:56:21 haha Oct 05 23:56:23 Ah, but I am. Oct 05 23:57:06 then be faithful to your wife : Oct 05 23:57:07 ) Oct 05 23:57:11 :) Oct 05 23:57:20 not that I think I need to tell you that Oct 05 23:57:43 you know what sads? the fact that the shenmue story left you hanging...and their is no shenmue 3... Oct 05 23:57:47 My wife likes joking that she's my secret girlfriend, lol. Oct 05 23:58:15 Shenmue... yeah... that game... I remember back when it was a Virtua Fighter RPG still. Oct 05 23:58:54 And then became nothing more than "Excuse me... I'm looking for some sailors." Oct 05 23:59:00 haha Oct 05 23:59:05 it had that one long Oct 05 23:59:07 fighting scene... Oct 05 23:59:10 but it was immersive Oct 05 23:59:15 incredibly immersive Oct 06 00:01:14 According to IGN, the game, which cost an unprecedented $70 million to make,[14] would have had to be purchased twice by every single Dreamcast owner in order for Sega to turn a profit Oct 06 00:04:17 Alright, so who wants to form the Extras QA team? Oct 06 00:04:37 what is an Extra QA team? Oct 06 00:04:50 (quality assurance?) Oct 06 00:05:36 it's funny when the ship argues with herself in andromeda Oct 06 00:06:24 how can i help Oct 06 00:06:49 what game? Oct 06 00:08:23 sorry that was off topic Oct 06 00:08:25 shenmue... Oct 06 00:09:19 It's like a bugsquad but for testing packages in Extras-testing. Oct 06 00:09:25 http://maemo.org/packages Oct 06 00:10:01 ah makes sense Oct 06 00:10:38 im willing to test packages for maemo 4 but I know thats not what your looking for :) Oct 06 00:11:24 It's hard for developers to get their stuff through the queue if nobody's testing. Oct 06 00:11:29 if I ever get an n900 Oct 06 00:11:33 Ill help Oct 06 00:11:38 You will. Oct 06 00:11:41 It's destiny. :P Oct 06 00:11:52 haha Oct 06 00:12:04 I cannot afford one on my salary... Oct 06 00:12:27 maybe used :) Oct 06 00:12:31 Hot secretary who can't type for shit: "I put the sexy in dyslexic" Oct 06 00:12:45 crashanddie__, go to bed. Oct 06 00:12:51 ok, night night Oct 06 00:12:56 Im hoping a multi-touch fanatic gets one and hates it and sells it :) Oct 06 00:12:58 lol Oct 06 00:15:12 or you could help out the community by buying me one so I could help out the community Oct 06 00:20:15 Tadthebuilder, I'm not going to be able to get myself one if Nokia doesn't help out. :D Oct 06 00:20:25 haha okay Oct 06 00:20:47 or unless two multi touch fanatics buy it and then resell it for cheap Oct 06 00:24:36 I cant install mer and try it out until I know that sound and liqbase-playground work in it :) Oct 06 00:25:06 github.com/lcuk if someone feels upto to doin some patchin Oct 06 00:25:06 Mer isn't ready for day-to-day yet. Oct 06 00:25:37 i think i just filled in my empty circles Oct 06 00:25:49 I know Oct 06 00:26:15 filled in your empty circles? Oct 06 00:26:46 if you have a windows pc, http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe Oct 06 00:27:30 well I do but id have to reboot...I have WINE though...so maybe it will work Oct 06 00:27:54 i hear it does Oct 06 00:27:58 needs the vb libs tho Oct 06 00:28:42 dont have those... Oct 06 00:28:45 what is it? Oct 06 00:29:23 one of my early glimpses at expressing something Oct 06 00:29:30 um? Oct 06 00:29:34 http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.png Oct 06 00:29:54 interesting Oct 06 00:30:00 so you filled an empty circle Oct 06 00:30:05 each of those circles is controllable by the mouse Oct 06 00:30:18 can be enlarged, or shrunk back down at will Oct 06 00:30:22 okay Oct 06 00:30:22 and dragged around Oct 06 00:30:25 makes sense Oct 06 00:30:27 its physics view from liqbase Oct 06 00:30:36 ah okay Oct 06 00:31:42 so you filled on of those circles? Oct 06 00:31:43 one* Oct 06 00:33:48 I want ebook reader :) Oct 06 00:34:11 actually Oct 06 00:34:14 I dreamed about it last night Oct 06 00:34:35 have liqbase ebook reader....doing the note taking thing... Oct 06 00:34:40 it was like a dream come true Oct 06 00:34:45 except it was just a dream Oct 06 00:36:08 now that I think about it Oct 06 00:36:15 I should not of said that...I just look wierd. Oct 06 00:40:26 g'nite internets.. Oct 06 00:50:05 FBReader? Oct 06 00:50:14 nope Oct 06 00:50:23 well I use fbreader Oct 06 00:50:37 I've had lots of dreams about Maemo, so don't worry. ;) Oct 06 00:50:58 im a little worried that I might be turning into a nerd... Oct 06 00:51:00 I had one just the other night, in fact. Oct 06 00:51:03 Haha Oct 06 00:51:06 IRC? Check. Oct 06 00:51:16 User of a niche Linux product? Check. Oct 06 00:51:25 Dreaming about said product? Check. Oct 06 00:51:36 Sounds a little late for worry to me. :P Oct 06 00:51:42 see the last one is the Oct 06 00:51:42 clincher Oct 06 00:51:47 if that one had not happened, i think id be okay Oct 06 00:55:11 gah Oct 06 00:55:13 I did it again Oct 06 00:55:21 INES Oct 06 00:55:23 HATES ME! Oct 06 00:55:37 Don't worry. It's personal. Oct 06 00:56:15 well Oct 06 00:56:19 i just hit the escape button Oct 06 00:56:22 on accident all the time Oct 06 00:56:30 cause its so close to the down dpad on Oct 06 00:56:33 the n800 Oct 06 00:56:56 Tadthebuilder, get a Wiimote. Oct 06 00:57:10 I have one Oct 06 00:57:14 I just dont carry it around ever where Oct 06 00:57:16 Im a small guy Oct 06 00:57:24 the wii mote Oct 06 00:57:27 does not fit in my pocket Oct 06 01:24:12 who knows the maemo.org url to retrieve a user avatar Oct 06 01:24:17 based on name Oct 06 01:24:52 http://maemo.org/avatar/lcuk ? or something X-Fade is this something for you# Oct 06 01:25:27 GeneralAntilles, you any idea/ Oct 06 01:28:05 Hrm, lost a bunch of karma Oct 06 01:28:15 lcuk, and, I dunno. Oct 06 01:58:25 http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/151/f/6/Knock_Off_by_Splinks.gif Oct 06 02:12:47 grr Oct 06 02:49:28 Anyone here got wiicontrol working on the N900? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 06 02:59:58 2009