**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 07 02:59:57 2009
Oct 07 03:42:51 <ShadowJK> I didn't know GeneralAntilles had an N900 :-)
Oct 07 03:43:01 <ShadowJK> OTOH, optified isn't relevant on N810?
Oct 07 03:47:55 <zerojay> No, it's not.
Oct 07 03:48:24 <zerojay> A few community members have them.
Oct 07 03:48:38 <zerojay> Summit will be the big coming out party. lol
Oct 07 03:50:29 <ShadowJK> I guess N900 still wont have shipped before then though
Oct 07 03:53:14 <Tired> oh, so the N900 is in existing now
Oct 07 03:53:52 <ShadowJK> ?
Oct 07 03:54:12 <Tired> wasnt aware of it
Oct 07 03:54:15 <Tired> :)
Oct 07 03:54:56 <zerojay> Developer device program will be announced at Summit
Oct 07 03:55:47 <Tired> argh, my irc client shows both your nicks in this dark blue that makes it nearly look as if only one is speaking
Oct 07 03:56:12 <Tired> looks pretty much like the N810 with the next generation of hardware
Oct 07 03:56:36 <ShadowJK> Well what would it look like if not that :)
Oct 07 03:57:14 <Tired> dunno, add more features that don't work really well
Oct 07 03:57:15 <Tired> :)
Oct 07 03:59:33 <Tired> eh, but the camera is at the back
Oct 07 03:59:49 <zerojay> One of them.
Oct 07 04:00:04 <Tired> mmm
Oct 07 04:00:09 <Tired> so one that works, one that doesnt?
Oct 07 04:02:30 <Tired> TV out
Oct 07 04:02:32 <Tired> mmm
Oct 07 04:03:12 <Tired> connecting a regular monitor would be it...
Oct 07 04:03:32 <Macer> blah
Oct 07 04:03:33 <Tired> guess this is as close as possible
Oct 07 04:03:45 <Macer> touchbook is in illinois!
Oct 07 04:10:17 <Tired> blah "in existing" "in existence" changed to plain "existing"
Oct 07 04:12:58 <Tired> looks pretty good though... one spec missing, though, the $$$
Oct 07 04:14:14 <microlith> not out of line for a phone being sold directly
Oct 07 04:14:25 <Tired> it's a phone now?
Oct 07 04:15:47 <microlith> what, you didn't realize that?
Oct 07 04:16:04 <microlith> hell it's why I'm -here- :)
Oct 07 04:20:54 <Tired> no, must have skipped that line :)
Oct 07 04:20:59 <Tired> so there is a big change
Oct 07 04:22:54 <Tired> well, we'll see - the few times I tried to use the N810 as a sip phone... people on the other end had difficulties hearing me
Oct 07 04:23:02 <Tired> even though connection should have been good
Oct 07 04:23:04 <microlith> well
Oct 07 04:23:11 <microlith> the N810 was never intended for that purpose
Oct 07 04:23:33 <Tired> you can't say that
Oct 07 04:23:47 <microlith> my point is that the N900 is entirely intended for phone use
Oct 07 04:24:12 <microlith> so the N810's behavior when put in that position is not necessarily indicative of how the N900 will fare
Oct 07 04:24:55 <Tired> maybe, maybe not... the overall design is still quite similar and I'm not sure what the problem was
Oct 07 04:25:41 <Tired> one weak point might have been where the microphone was hidden
Oct 07 04:26:46 <GAN800> lol
Oct 07 04:27:46 <GAN800> It's interesting what people can manage to convince themselves will be dealbreaker-grade defects based on, well, nothing.
Oct 07 04:27:49 <lopz> gn ;)
Oct 07 04:28:00 <GAN800> Bye, lopz!
Oct 07 04:28:12 <lopz> ;)
Oct 07 04:28:21 <Tired> you're overinterpreting... or referring to something else
Oct 07 04:29:03 <luke-jr_> GAN800: for me, at least, the N810's price-to-feature ratio was very close. I wouldn't have bought it for $201, just $200.
Oct 07 04:29:20 <luke-jr_> failure of the GPS to work pushes it over the edge-- in fact a real dealbreaker had I known of it
Oct 07 04:29:29 <Tired> the GPS works!
Oct 07 04:29:31 <luke-jr_> N810 minus working GPS was not worth $200 to me
Oct 07 04:29:34 <luke-jr_> Tired: no, it doesn't really.
Oct 07 04:29:38 <Tired> only didn't work in Evanston
Oct 07 04:29:53 <Tired> when I was driving around a bit on vacation, it got a fix within a couple of seconds
Oct 07 04:30:13 <luke-jr_> Tired: it's extremely unreliable, buggy, and closed so nobody can fix it
Oct 07 04:30:36 <Tired> I thought it didn't work trying it here in town, but a bit outside the crowded area, it was ok
Oct 07 04:30:46 <luke-jr_> regardless, it does not serve my needs
Oct 07 04:30:54 <luke-jr_> I would not have bought my N810 if I knew of these issues
Oct 07 04:31:19 <luke-jr_> so while it might seem like no big deal to GAN800, it certainly is a deal-breaker problem for me
Oct 07 04:31:29 <Tired> it does suit my little needs...
Oct 07 04:31:30 <luke-jr_> not that it makes the N810 totally worthless-- just not worth $200 to me
Oct 07 04:32:01 <luke-jr_> personally, my N810's usage is limited to wardriving
Oct 07 04:32:03 <Tired> but... admittedly a lot of the great sounding features do not work as well as one would have hoped
Oct 07 04:32:12 <luke-jr_> on the rare occasion the GPS gets a fix
Oct 07 04:33:10 <luke-jr_> perhaps part of my frustration also stems from the fact that it is so close to being what I need, but yet beyond grasp
Oct 07 04:33:11 <Tired> like... haven't gotten a good picture from the camera either
Oct 07 04:33:15 <luke-jr_> nobody makes what I want. :(
Oct 07 04:33:24 <Tired> not tried outside with daylight, though... still
Oct 07 04:33:29 <luke-jr_> webcam was just a nice bonus for me
Oct 07 04:33:33 <Tired> make your own!
Oct 07 04:33:39 <luke-jr_> Tired: make my own handheld? :/
Oct 07 04:33:47 <Tired> yeah... take a screwdriver...
Oct 07 04:33:50 <luke-jr_> I've considered it, but I'm not certain it's possible
Oct 07 04:34:12 <luke-jr_> Are SoC pins hand-managable?
Oct 07 04:34:21 <microlith> what pins?
Oct 07 04:34:22 <microlith> heh
Oct 07 04:34:24 <luke-jr_> ...
Oct 07 04:34:29 <luke-jr_> no pins?
Oct 07 04:34:37 <microlith> have you seen the underside of an OMAP?
Oct 07 04:34:39 <microlith> all balls there
Oct 07 04:34:39 <luke-jr_> no
Oct 07 04:34:59 <luke-jr_> I don't have $ to waste on parts I might not be able to use. which means I can't evaluate them really.
Oct 07 04:35:01 <microlith> I'm sure you could try, but it'd be a mass of tightly packed wires
Oct 07 04:35:20 <luke-jr_> besides, I wouldn't be using an OMAP
Oct 07 04:35:26 <Tired> your model might end up weighing 40 pounds and being ... slightly (cough) bigger than expected... but else it'dll be great!
Oct 07 04:35:29 <luke-jr_> more likely s3c6410 or i.MX515
Oct 07 04:35:39 <luke-jr_> Tired: it's useless to me if it doesn't fit in my pocket
Oct 07 04:35:55 <Tired> luke-jr_, the solution is simple: get a bigger pocket!
Oct 07 04:36:04 <luke-jr_> also, I could probably only barely lift 40 lbs, let alone carry it in my pocket
Oct 07 04:36:22 <Tired> luke-jr_, saves money on the fitness studio, too!
Oct 07 04:36:27 <luke-jr_> ...
Oct 07 04:36:45 <Macer> man
Oct 07 04:36:52 <luke-jr_> Tired: did I mention 40 lbs is over 35% of my own weight? :p
Oct 07 04:36:55 <Macer> want to fuck with my touchbook already
Oct 07 04:37:04 <Macer> sure hope it shows up tomorrow
Oct 07 04:37:11 <luke-jr_> Macer: please, don't sexually abuse your equipment
Oct 07 04:37:13 <microlith> yeah, pretty much any modern ARM chip is going to be some form of BGA package, which makes it hard to do anything with the raw chips
Oct 07 04:37:23 <Macer> will be interesting to see the os also
Oct 07 04:37:30 <Tired> luke-jr_, I just read that as " did I mention 40 lbs is over 35% over my own weight?" ... phew
Oct 07 04:37:38 <Macer> wonder why mer didn't use angstrom for mer
Oct 07 04:37:41 <Macer> :)
Oct 07 04:37:46 <luke-jr_> Angstrom is like Gentoo
Oct 07 04:37:49 <luke-jr_> unstable
Oct 07 04:37:50 <luke-jr_> :p
Oct 07 04:37:53 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 04:38:03 <Macer> all linux is unstable
Oct 07 04:38:15 <Tired> right
Oct 07 04:38:15 <luke-jr_> technically, Angstrom is derived from Gentoo
Oct 07 04:38:25 <luke-jr_> BitBake is a fork of Portage
Oct 07 04:38:27 <Macer> uh oh
Oct 07 04:38:31 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 04:38:41 <Tired> laters
Oct 07 04:38:43 <Macer> except it doesn't suck?
Oct 07 04:38:48 <luke-jr_> Macer: it does suck. ;)
Oct 07 04:38:54 <luke-jr_> you've clearly never built an Angstrom image
Oct 07 04:38:55 <Macer> heh
Oct 07 04:39:00 <Macer> no
Oct 07 04:39:04 <microlith> bitbake makes me crazy
Oct 07 04:39:10 <Macer> going to use the stock tb stuff tho
Oct 07 04:39:15 <Macer> hope it is ok
Oct 07 04:39:20 <luke-jr_> BitBake used to require over 2 GB of RAM by itself
Oct 07 04:39:27 <Macer> at least as good as maemo4
Oct 07 04:39:36 * microlith had his fill building openmoko for his A1200, on a machine far too slow with far too little ram
Oct 07 04:39:58 <Macer> get a better system :)
Oct 07 04:40:00 * luke-jr_ is sad the GTA03 was cancelled
Oct 07 04:40:09 <microlith> Macer: I did, it's a VM on my new hardware
Oct 07 04:40:21 <Macer> heh
Oct 07 04:40:32 <Macer> then get a tb and make useful things
Oct 07 04:40:49 <microlith> well I've got scratchbox going
Oct 07 04:40:51 <Macer> like a jre and arm openoffice port
Oct 07 04:40:54 <Macer> :)
Oct 07 04:40:58 <microlith> hey now
Oct 07 04:41:08 <luke-jr_> microlith: why?
Oct 07 04:41:15 <microlith> why what?
Oct 07 04:41:16 <luke-jr_> does anyone actually use scratchbox anymore? :p
Oct 07 04:41:19 <Macer> although i don't see a need for a "port"
Oct 07 04:41:24 <microlith> luke-jr_: maemo sdk?
Oct 07 04:41:25 * luke-jr_ runs
Oct 07 04:41:30 <microlith> heh
Oct 07 04:41:32 <Macer> shouldn't openoffice just require a jre?
Oct 07 04:41:36 <luke-jr_> microlith: Maemo isn't worth attention
Oct 07 04:41:40 <Macer> :)
Oct 07 04:41:46 <microlith> ...
Oct 07 04:41:50 <microlith> then why are you here?
Oct 07 04:41:57 <Macer> seeing as java is supposed to be cross platform universal and all
Oct 07 04:41:59 <luke-jr_> common channel for Nokia devices
Oct 07 04:42:51 <Macer> don't knock luke-jr_  .. he has provided the world with his n8x0 gentoo abortion
Oct 07 04:43:26 <Macer> which required use of maemo modules :) so doesn't that count?
Oct 07 04:43:34 <luke-jr_> Macer: it's not an abortion until slonopotamus and I sell our N810s :p
Oct 07 04:43:47 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 04:43:51 <luke-jr_> Macer: Maemo components are only required because of Nokia's evilness
Oct 07 04:43:57 <Macer> get a tb and you will
Oct 07 04:44:37 <Macer> i suppos e the tb is like a q7 with better hw and a battery keyboard
Oct 07 04:44:38 <samad> hello
Oct 07 04:44:54 <luke-jr_> Macer: tb won't fit in my pocket. thus, useless.
Oct 07 04:44:59 <luke-jr_> samad: o hai thar
Oct 07 04:45:05 <Macer> get bigger pockets
Oct 07 04:45:13 <Macer> you going to get an n900?
Oct 07 04:45:23 <luke-jr_> dunno
Oct 07 04:45:33 <Macer> wait.. that might not fit in a pocket either
Oct 07 04:45:36 <Macer> heh
Oct 07 04:45:36 <luke-jr_> #FreeHandheld
Oct 07 04:45:38 <luke-jr_> uh
Oct 07 04:45:43 <luke-jr_> N900 is smaller than N810 last I checked
Oct 07 04:46:01 <Macer> thicker from what i heard
Oct 07 04:46:13 <jysky> it's actually smaller than n97 :)
Oct 07 04:46:19 <samad> i am installing gst-plugins-0.8.9.tar.gz but there shows error when i command apt-get update
Oct 07 04:46:23 <Macer> i always thought the n810 itself would have made an awesome phone
Oct 07 04:46:31 <luke-jr_> not too thick
Oct 07 04:46:31 <samad> W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Oct 07 04:46:31 <samad> W: GPG error: http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Oct 07 04:46:31 <samad> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Oct 07 04:46:31 <samad> the error is
Oct 07 04:46:34 <samad> W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Oct 07 04:46:34 <samad> W: GPG error: http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Oct 07 04:46:39 <samad> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Oct 07 04:46:43 <microlith> gahhh, pastebin please
Oct 07 04:46:43 <luke-jr_> N810 is about half as thick as is acceptable
Oct 07 04:46:45 <Macer> if they just made it like one and added the 3g modem
Oct 07 04:47:01 <Macer> samad: wow. that was an awesome way to not get help
Oct 07 04:47:18 <luke-jr_> samad: .tar.gz is source, not a package
Oct 07 04:47:26 <Macer> n810 is an awesome phone size
Oct 07 04:47:39 <luke-jr_> phones are stupid
Oct 07 04:47:44 <luke-jr_> handheld computer + bluetooth headset
Oct 07 04:47:52 <Macer> heh
Oct 07 04:47:57 <Macer> that would work too
Oct 07 04:48:06 <Macer> if only wimax actually was widespread
Oct 07 04:48:17 <Macer> so you could use skype anywhere
Oct 07 04:48:25 <ShadowJK> heh
Oct 07 04:48:35 <Macer> too bad wimax is fail
Oct 07 04:48:45 <luke-jr_> Skype is fail too
Oct 07 04:48:54 <luke-jr_> heck, Skype is more fail than WiMax
Oct 07 04:48:55 <Macer> skype is fine
Oct 07 04:49:01 <luke-jr_> Skype is a virus
Oct 07 04:49:02 <Macer> $3/month
Oct 07 04:49:07 <luke-jr_> malware
Oct 07 04:49:07 <ShadowJK> regular voip works awesomely
Oct 07 04:49:08 <luke-jr_> ftl
Oct 07 04:49:09 <Macer> compared
Oct 07 04:49:11 <luke-jr_> ShadowJK: yes
Oct 07 04:49:13 <ShadowJK> (and you can choose your client)
Oct 07 04:49:19 <luke-jr_> ShadowJK: though not on N810
Oct 07 04:49:27 <Macer> heh
Oct 07 04:49:49 <Macer> cant say ive ever had a problem with skype
Oct 07 04:50:18 <Macer> i got actual cordless phones with the router to cordless  thing
Oct 07 04:50:22 <Macer> they work great
Oct 07 04:50:50 <luke-jr_> Macer: fail
Oct 07 04:51:03 <Macer> and at $3/month unlimited calls.. i think that is worth it
Oct 07 04:51:21 <luke-jr_> bet that "unlimited" is a blatent lie
Oct 07 04:51:24 <Macer> i tether my skype wifi phone to my g1 since the skype app for it was utter fail
Oct 07 04:51:36 <luke-jr_> ...
Oct 07 04:51:56 <Macer> luke-jr_: er.. i don't know... i've never had to pay more than $3 a month
Oct 07 04:52:09 <luke-jr_> Macer: bet you can't receive 10 calls at once
Oct 07 04:52:12 <luke-jr_> and conference them
Oct 07 04:52:40 <Macer> maybe not. but i dont usually have to or want to talk to 10 people at once at home
Oct 07 04:52:46 <luke-jr_> see, there's a limit
Oct 07 04:52:50 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 04:53:08 <Macer> sure if you go into extreme circumstances
Oct 07 04:53:21 <luke-jr_> 2 calls is certainly not extreme
Oct 07 04:53:24 <luke-jr_> but can you even do that?
Oct 07 04:53:25 <luke-jr_> doubt it
Oct 07 04:53:53 <Macer> dont know. i hate just making 1 call to 1 person
Oct 07 04:54:22 <Macer> only person i really talk to is a girl i was dating a little while ago.. everybody else can send me an email
Oct 07 04:54:24 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 04:55:00 <Macer> or if i have to make a personal business call
Oct 07 04:55:15 <Macer> which usually doesnt require 10 people conferenced
Oct 07 04:55:26 <luke-jr_> Macer: how about instead of wasting money on these useless things, you buy me a HTC Touch Pro2 and I'll let you know when I get it working fully? ;)
Oct 07 04:55:37 <Macer> uhm
Oct 07 04:55:48 <Macer> i have a g1 now that it a total piece of shit
Oct 07 04:55:58 <luke-jr_> yes, a G1 would be
Oct 07 04:56:07 <Macer> why get another htc piece of shit to replace the one i have?
Oct 07 04:56:14 <Macer> :)
Oct 07 04:56:16 <luke-jr_> cuz TP2 isn't a piece of ****
Oct 07 04:56:23 <luke-jr_> it's actually quite nice
Oct 07 04:56:27 <Macer> liar
Oct 07 04:56:39 <Macer> you are rationalizing your bad purchase
Oct 07 04:56:49 <Macer> :)
Oct 07 04:56:50 <luke-jr_> I haven't bought one yet
Oct 07 04:57:04 <Macer> you are rationalizing your bad future purchase
Oct 07 04:57:50 <Macer> my g1 tops out using sftp
Oct 07 04:57:52 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 04:58:02 <luke-jr_> TP2 has 288 MB RAM
Oct 07 04:58:15 <Macer> i get 20K/s just because the cpu can't keep up
Oct 07 04:58:15 <Macer> i get 20K/s just because the cpu can't k
Oct 07 04:58:15 <Macer> 288?
Oct 07 04:58:31 <Macer> thought the max was 256 for arm
Oct 07 04:58:53 <luke-jr_> no
Oct 07 04:59:00 <luke-jr_> 32-bit ARM has a max of at least 3 GB
Oct 07 04:59:06 <luke-jr_> like every other 32-bit arch
Oct 07 04:59:13 <Macer> 4?
Oct 07 04:59:42 <Macer> thought 32bit allowed for 4GB of mem addressing
Oct 07 04:59:46 <luke-jr_> addressing
Oct 07 04:59:53 <luke-jr_> x86 uses 1 GB for PCI and stuff
Oct 07 05:00:02 <luke-jr_> not sure if ARM might need something similar
Oct 07 05:00:19 <Macer> wow.. it uses that much for hardware?
Oct 07 05:00:26 <Macer> what a whore
Oct 07 05:00:27 <studen2> guys i can not install/find the driver for this cable (adapter)
Oct 07 05:00:28 <studen2> http://translate.google.com.ly/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-108177729-cabo-de-dados-usb-ca-50-nokia-2760-2630-2660-1208-1680-_JM&ei=ZR_MSvL0GNWH4QbL1In0BQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522CABO%2BDE%2BDADOS%2BUSB%2BCA-50%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Oct 07 05:00:59 <luke-jr_> Macer: remember 32-bit x86 was designed when people had 64 MB RAM max ;)
Oct 07 05:01:30 <luke-jr_> no doubt the top 1 GB was seen as an impossible to hit mark
Oct 07 05:02:30 <ShadowJK> oh great
Oct 07 05:02:30 <ShadowJK> my gigabit switch just died
Oct 07 05:02:30 * ShadowJK wondered if it was the PSU and swapped around DC cable from the otherwise identical, but 100mbit, switch
Oct 07 05:02:33 <ShadowJK> there were lots of sparks
Oct 07 05:02:46 <Macer> hahaha
Oct 07 05:03:06 <Macer> oops
Oct 07 05:03:19 <Macer> maybr just bad soldering
Oct 07 05:04:28 <luke-jr_> ...
Oct 07 05:04:38 <luke-jr_> ShadowJK: fail
Oct 07 05:05:32 <samad> luke-jr, i am implementing camera for Nokia N900 and used
Oct 07 05:05:33 <samad> gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id(GST_X_OVERLAY(data),GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW(widget->window));
Oct 07 05:05:33 <samad> compilation error 0
Oct 07 05:05:33 <samad> but when run the appication it shows
Oct 07 05:05:33 <samad>  undefined symbol: gst_x_overlay_get_type
Oct 07 05:05:51 <ShadowJK> ping reply from freenode: 200 secs
Oct 07 05:06:06 <ShadowJK> not bad considering I rerouted my LAN :-)
Oct 07 05:06:42 <frals> wow talk is sloooooooooooow atm
Oct 07 05:09:11 <RST38h> moo all
Oct 07 05:10:08 <frals> lo o/
Oct 07 05:12:08 * ShadowJK finally manages to compile MPlayer-svn with VFP, maybe, for maemo4
Oct 07 05:14:42 * RST38h hoped MPlayer only used fixed point math
Oct 07 05:16:15 <MaceN8x0> haha
Oct 07 05:16:18 <MaceN8x0> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1254892163616.jpg
Oct 07 05:16:24 <MaceN8x0> wow nature is amazing
Oct 07 05:17:36 <RST38h> not as amazing as applied art: http://i056.radikal.ru/0910/f0/62effd0e0132.jpg
Oct 07 05:17:57 <microlith> woodenhippose.cx
Oct 07 05:19:05 <ShadowJK> RST38h, yeah it's mostly fixed point
Oct 07 05:19:18 <ShadowJK> RST38h, I think VFP contains some useful non floating point stuff though?
Oct 07 05:19:32 <RST38h> microllith: the original comment was "behemoatse"
Oct 07 05:19:32 <ShadowJK> I guess I should look at what dsputil_vfp.S actually contains, heh
Oct 07 05:19:51 <RST38h> Shadow: Not VFP.
Oct 07 05:20:34 <ShadowJK> Yeah seems dsputil_vfp only has floating point stuff
Oct 07 05:20:37 <MaceN8x0> RST38h, hahaha
Oct 07 05:21:06 <ShadowJK> vector_fmul, vector_fmul_reverse, float_to_int16... Sounds suspiciously sound-related
Oct 07 05:22:22 <RST38h> Shadow: Just checked, all instructions appear to be fp
Oct 07 05:22:40 <RST38h> Shadow: Both DSP and ARM9+ have got vector instructions though
Oct 07 05:23:23 <ShadowJK> no code for DSP in mplayer/ffmpeg
Oct 07 05:23:50 <RST38h> NEON may help =)
Oct 07 05:24:51 <ShadowJK> I think ffmpeg's arm maintainer summed it up well:
Oct 07 05:25:21 <ShadowJK> <falkk_> how can I use the DSP isntructions
Oct 07 05:25:37 <ShadowJK> <av500> 1) you pick your favorite arm to dsp framework
Oct 07 05:25:37 <ShadowJK> <av500> 2) you write your dsp code
Oct 07 05:25:37 <ShadowJK> <av500> 3) you write arm side code to interface your dsp code using the framework from 1)
Oct 07 05:25:40 <ShadowJK> <mru> 4) you develop a dislike for the framework from 3)
Oct 07 05:25:42 <ShadowJK> <mru> 5) you pick the next framework from the list
Oct 07 05:25:42 <ShadowJK> Apologies for the paste ;)
Oct 07 05:25:45 <ShadowJK> <mru> 6) goto 2)
Oct 07 05:31:37 <RST38h> in short: it sucks
Oct 07 05:38:42 <RST38h> Ehehehehe: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/10/05/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/
Oct 07 05:41:33 <RST38h> Here you have it, all racial preferences laid bare
Oct 07 05:43:01 <Stskeeps> next up: your blood pressure determines if you are into stylus or thumb keyboards
Oct 07 05:43:13 <RST38h> may well be =)
Oct 07 05:43:38 <ShadowJK> would be interesting to see if it's correlated with eyesight
Oct 07 05:43:43 <RST38h> Although I would go with the fingers shape first =)
Oct 07 05:46:27 <ShadowJK> how come the stylus is opaque anyway
Oct 07 05:46:38 <ShadowJK> would be cool with one that was transparent except for the tip
Oct 07 05:47:18 <RST38h> it is made from the stinger of the Opaque Stylus Bee
Oct 07 05:48:00 <luke-jr_> RST38h: um, that's not really racism.
Oct 07 05:48:04 <tigert> who needs a stylus anyway
Oct 07 05:48:49 <luke-jr_> sure, it's racial preferences, but people have a right to have such preferences for personal relationships like on a dating site
Oct 07 05:49:15 <luke-jr_> it's not like negative discrimination where a less qualified candidate is chosen for a job because of his race
Oct 07 05:49:47 <Stskeeps> tigert: i still find stylus useful at times with fremantle desktop
Oct 07 05:51:31 <ShadowJK> it'd be interesting to see what that survey looks like in if it had been done in, for example, Brazil, Ghana, Turkey, China and Japan too
Oct 07 05:51:37 <JoeBrain> your-lepracy-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/
Oct 07 05:51:49 <JoeBrain> leprosy*
Oct 07 05:56:38 <RST38h> luke: as far as us political correctness is concerned this article is racist =)
Oct 07 05:57:08 <RST38h> Shadow: you need a multiracial country for that
Oct 07 05:57:36 <RST38h> Shadow: i.e. Canada, UK, or Russia would work but not Turkey or China
Oct 07 06:02:18 <RST38h> Anyways, work.
Oct 07 06:02:21 <ShadowJK> The results would be interesting anyway, considering the internet using population of those places might not be as generic as in the US
Oct 07 06:21:36 <MaceN8x0> wow
Oct 07 06:21:53 <MaceN8x0> i encoded some mp4s with like wayyyy too low of a bitrate
Oct 07 06:22:02 <MaceN8x0> they look horrible
Oct 07 06:24:30 * johnx finishes work stuff, packs
Oct 07 06:34:27 <sarower> Good morning all,
Oct 07 06:35:41 <sarower> I am using the camera API in my home applet. But if I use the API, "gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id(GST_X_OVERLAY(data),GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW(widget->window));" the applet does not open.
Oct 07 06:35:41 <johnx> mornin' sarower
Oct 07 06:36:18 <johnx> are you able to do it if you don't use an overlay?
Oct 07 06:36:50 <sarower> And it shows the error "undefined symbol: gst_x_overlay_get_type" during launch
Oct 07 06:37:21 <sarower> johnx: how I can do without using overlay?
Oct 07 06:37:43 <sarower> johnx: I do not know the way actually
Oct 07 06:38:22 <johnx> ah, I don't actually know...I figured there might be a similar function to do that without an overlay, but I'm not much of a programmer (and I definitely haven't used the camera API or gstreamer)
Oct 07 06:39:02 <sarower> johnx: Oh ok Thank you very much for your reply
Oct 07 06:39:38 <johnx> though it's interesting that you get an undefined symbol...
Oct 07 06:39:44 <johnx> is this for maemo4 or 5?
Oct 07 06:39:53 <sarower> maemo 5 beta 2
Oct 07 06:40:04 <johnx> so no way to test it on the device anyways
Oct 07 06:40:12 <johnx> and also, just so you know, the final SDK was just released
Oct 07 06:40:28 <sarower> johnx: But i will now install final release
Oct 07 06:40:36 <sarower> and let see what happen!
Oct 07 06:40:42 <johnx> good luck :)
Oct 07 06:40:47 <sarower> Thank you
Oct 07 06:41:53 <sarower> Any body else! Who knows about this!
Oct 07 06:42:40 <johnx> timeless, could you put up the cross reference for maemo5? (when you get a chance, of course)
Oct 07 06:51:29 <tigert> Stskeeps: sometimes in the browser one wouls like stylus
Oct 07 06:51:45 <tigert> Stskeeps: but i lost mine in april or so
Oct 07 06:51:48 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 07 06:51:54 <tigert> so i learned to work without :)
Oct 07 06:52:10 <tigert> and i dont really miss it qanymore
Oct 07 06:52:29 <tigert> smaller fingers would be useful sometimes ;)
Oct 07 06:52:34 <johnx> I had the opposite experience. I got my first stylus at Maemo Danish Weekend :)
Oct 07 06:52:42 <tigert> but not really :)
Oct 07 06:52:50 <tigert> heh
Oct 07 06:53:06 * Stskeeps wonders where his n810 stylus is
Oct 07 06:53:19 <tigert> i feel thumb use is very comfortable as long as you manager to press the right things
Oct 07 06:54:02 <tigert> because thumbs can reach the whole screen area without changing the way you hold the device
Oct 07 06:54:52 <tigert> so even though its sometimes hard to hit links, its more comfrtable for me this way
Oct 07 06:55:02 <tigert> zoom helps a lot too
Oct 07 07:08:07 <timeless> could someone w/ diablo ping me
Oct 07 07:08:24 <Stskeeps> mm, what do you need?
Oct 07 07:08:34 <adeus> a pong!
Oct 07 07:08:54 <MaceN8x0> with diablo?
Oct 07 07:08:54 <MaceN8x0> er
Oct 07 07:09:21 <johnx> sadly I have no devils here, just this N800 w/ Maemo 4.1.2
Oct 07 07:18:55 <Myrtti> moin
Oct 07 07:20:33 <Stskeeps> morning Myrtti
Oct 07 07:49:08 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 07 07:49:41 <Stskeeps> morning jaffa
Oct 07 07:54:07 <johnx> I *hate* comcast
Oct 07 07:54:37 <johnx> my cellphone is a more reliable internet connection
Oct 07 07:57:02 <Stskeeps> wb johnx
Oct 07 07:58:03 <johnx> thanks
Oct 07 07:59:29 <johnx> I can't remember ever having a less useful "internet" connection than comcast...
Oct 07 08:06:31 <RST38h> moorning all
Oct 07 08:06:57 <johnx> m00f
Oct 07 08:08:16 <thux> morning
Oct 07 08:10:51 <thux> boafm seems to be one of those python apps which doesn't launch in my diablo
Oct 07 08:12:01 <thux> some py apps do launch others doesn't
Oct 07 08:12:18 <Stskeeps> n800 or n810?
Oct 07 08:12:37 <thux> n800
Oct 07 08:27:41 <alterego_> Have you tried running it from the command line?
Oct 07 08:27:47 <alterego_> See if there's any interesting output
Oct 07 08:33:28 <thux> it says:"TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable"
Oct 07 08:35:50 <thux> File "/usr/bin/boafm", line 297, in __init__ if 'useMokoui' in self.config: before that line
Oct 07 09:04:58 <RST38h> moo wazd
Oct 07 09:05:15 <wazd> heya all :)
Oct 07 09:05:52 <wazd> Still waiting for wizard with internets tube :)
Oct 07 09:06:26 <RST38h> internet plunger, you mean? =)
Oct 07 09:07:46 <wazd> Cable guy :)
Oct 07 09:11:35 <Stskeeps> anyone around who knows how EU VAT payments work? :P
Oct 07 09:11:54 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: To your local tax agent?
Oct 07 09:12:13 <RST38h> Sts: added to the price of goods, not?
Oct 07 09:12:37 <Stskeeps> i'm just wondering cos i'm invoicing and the VAT is supposed to be 0% between companies in different EU countries it seems to
Oct 07 09:12:47 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Ah, that is easy.
Oct 07 09:13:04 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Just put their VAT number on the invoice and use 0% tax.
Oct 07 09:13:38 <Stskeeps> okay
Oct 07 09:13:38 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: You can't have it easier than that ;)
Oct 07 09:13:52 <Stskeeps> well now i have to read some contracts through cos i'm utterly confused :)
Oct 07 09:13:55 <RST38h> well he can drop this stuff completely, that would be easier
Oct 07 09:16:01 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: I mostly invoice between EU countries. It is easier than invoicing locally ;)
Oct 07 09:20:57 <Stskeeps> ok, so you pay VAT locally of that amount?
Oct 07 09:21:16 <X-Fade> Only on invoices of local companies.
Oct 07 09:21:22 <X-Fade> *to
Oct 07 09:21:46 <X-Fade> For within EU, you don't have to do anything.
Oct 07 09:21:50 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 07 09:22:57 <RST38h> X-Fade: How about changing Extras-Testing votes to vote for the app, not for the particular package version?
Oct 07 09:23:13 <X-Fade> RST38h: No, that is the whole point.
Oct 07 09:23:22 <X-Fade> RST38h: You can have messed up a release.
Oct 07 09:23:36 <RST38h> I could but then I would not promote it from Devel
Oct 07 09:23:48 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, we don't trust you.
Oct 07 09:23:56 <X-Fade> RST38h: That is what the whole QA is for.
Oct 07 09:24:03 <X-Fade> RST38h: To prevent 'OOPS'.
Oct 07 09:24:03 <RST38h> The problem with the current whole point is that I have to start every morning with going there and voting again for all the apps I like
Oct 07 09:24:28 * RST38h would like his vote to mean "I trust this guy and like his app, let him through"
Oct 07 09:25:03 <X-Fade> RST38h: There is an Extras round-table session planned at the Summit. You're invited.
Oct 07 09:25:33 <RST38h> X-Fade: Current means of oops-prevention are kinda radical, you can just disable any promotion at all and it will be even more oops-proof =)
Oct 07 09:26:02 <X-Fade> RST38h: Nah, you know yourself that it is easy to miss a problem.
Oct 07 09:26:04 <RST38h> X-Fade: Ok, I will drop by and say what I think
Oct 07 09:26:16 <X-Fade> RST38h: Do you really install every package you publish?
Oct 07 09:26:46 <RST38h> X-Fade: I do. But I also know that with the current quality of apps in testing we can easily do with less draconian rules
Oct 07 09:27:03 <RST38h> X-Fade: Yes, I really install every package I publish to devel, BEFORE it goes to devel
Oct 07 09:27:10 <X-Fade> RST38h: lol ;) 10 votes is draconian?
Oct 07 09:27:24 <RST38h> X-Fade: for every package version is draconian
Oct 07 09:27:36 <RST38h> X-Fade: 10 votes for an app sounds ok with me
Oct 07 09:27:58 <X-Fade> RST38h: Then develop apps for other platforms and come back when you have experienced them.
Oct 07 09:28:03 * RST38h does testing on his own packages before submission, is it abnormal? =)
Oct 07 09:28:43 <RST38h> X-Fade: Ironically, I do develop apps for other platforms: Windows, Unix, S60, bunch of embedded platforms
Oct 07 09:29:26 <X-Fade> RST38h: I'm pretty sure that uploading to Debian or Apple store is a lot harder.
Oct 07 09:30:00 <RST38h> X-Fade: Becoming part of Windows boxed distribution is even harder than that, so what?
Oct 07 09:30:05 <X-Fade> RST38h: And 10 votes is really nothing when you have thousands of extras-testing users.
Oct 07 09:30:24 <RST38h> X-Fade: You do not have thousands of extras-testing users.
Oct 07 09:30:44 <X-Fade> RST38h: It is unfair to judge now there is no product available now.
Oct 07 09:30:51 <RST38h> X-Fade: You do have thousands of maemo.org downloads users (judging from downloads) and very very few of them vote
Oct 07 09:31:21 <X-Fade> RST38h: You know that Nokia is aiming for bigger numbers with N900.
Oct 07 09:31:25 <RST38h> X-Fade: So, there is some historical data and it does not look good
Oct 07 09:31:30 <X-Fade> RST38h: You really can't compare that.
Oct 07 09:31:36 <RST38h> X-Fade: Why?
Oct 07 09:31:44 <X-Fade> Sheer scale
Oct 07 09:32:04 <RST38h> We do not really know what N900's scale will be. Impossible to say right now.
Oct 07 09:32:49 <RST38h> But there may be a chicken and egg problem pretty close in the future (i.e. no apps in Extras because nobody votes, nobody votes because they do not see any apps)
Oct 07 09:32:55 <X-Fade> Hehe, well we'll know soon.
Oct 07 09:33:20 <RST38h> X-Fade: But I do think you have to be prepared to relax the Testing->Extras promotion rules
Oct 07 09:33:45 <X-Fade> RST38h: Come back in 3 months and then we will evaluate.
Oct 07 09:33:52 <RST38h> X-Fade: I know the optimistic expectations on that, just not sure they will come true
Oct 07 09:33:58 <X-Fade> Really no point to start with stop-energy right now.
Oct 07 09:34:01 <RST38h> X-Fade: Yea, should be known in 3 months...
Oct 07 09:34:20 <RST38h> Still, better know of all the doorstops now than find out later =)
Oct 07 09:34:56 <X-Fade> I think you are targetting the wrong audience.
Oct 07 09:35:24 <RST38h> Targeting whoever is available =)
Oct 07 09:35:59 <X-Fade> Maemo 5 is going to be a lot more mainstream then previous versions.
Oct 07 09:36:01 <alterego> All of this can be explained to new users on Talk
Oct 07 09:36:23 <X-Fade> You just can't have broken apps for non-technical people.
Oct 07 09:36:34 <alterego> And there's Ovi ..
Oct 07 09:37:33 <alterego> I hope you guys have fun in Amsterdam, I'm gutted I can't attend.
Oct 07 09:37:43 <alterego> But I'm going to Iceland on Sunday for a week :)
Oct 07 09:44:17 <RST38h> The host of a hit Brazilian TV crime show has disappeared after being stripped of the political immunity which prevented him being arrested on charges of arranging hits to boost his show's ratings.
Oct 07 09:44:27 <RST38h> Reality finally catches up with fiction
Oct 07 09:46:31 <wazd> cable guy is in here!)
Oct 07 10:04:36 <aol_> can anyone point me to OpenGL ES packages that I need to install
Oct 07 10:04:57 <aol_> google gives me no package names yet
Oct 07 10:06:28 <Stskeeps> on what OS?
Oct 07 10:06:36 <alterego> Where's the link to the EULA for nokia-binaries? The documentation hasn't got a hyper link
Oct 07 10:06:41 <alterego> 5.0 final
Oct 07 10:06:54 <Stskeeps> alterego: tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula i think
Oct 07 10:07:01 <aol_> Stskeeps: fremantle
Oct 07 10:07:26 <alterego> Cheers :)
Oct 07 10:10:58 <johnx> RST38h, still looking for the route from airport to hotel?
Oct 07 10:11:07 <aol_> basically I'm getting "QGLWidget: No such file or directory", even though I have all libqt4-opengl stuff installed
Oct 07 10:13:42 <johnx> aol_, compiling for arm or x86?
Oct 07 10:13:48 <vesa> aol_: is the fremantle final image out?
Oct 07 10:14:57 <aol_> x86 right now
Oct 07 10:15:07 <aol_> vesa: don't know, I built my own
Oct 07 10:15:14 <vesa> righty ho
Oct 07 10:15:18 <johnx> could you try compiling on ARM, just for fun?
Oct 07 10:15:25 <aol_> yes
Oct 07 10:15:29 <aol_> moment
Oct 07 10:15:42 <johnx> make sure to do a make distclean or whatever
Oct 07 10:16:50 <aol_> ok, what does that do?
Oct 07 10:17:21 <aol_> I guess just clean everything
Oct 07 10:17:27 <johnx> yeah
Oct 07 10:17:36 <johnx> make clean = cleans objects/compiled stuff
Oct 07 10:17:54 <johnx> make distclean = cleans config too (to make it just like when you untarred it)
Oct 07 10:17:58 <aol_> nope, same error
Oct 07 10:18:16 <johnx> and you have the file it complains about?
Oct 07 10:18:29 <aol_> yeah but cant share it :(
Oct 07 10:18:48 <johnx> huh? I don't want it :P
Oct 07 10:18:58 <johnx> it seems like a path issue of some sort
Oct 07 10:19:15 <aol_> heh
Oct 07 10:19:56 <aol_> QGLWidget is the first one it does not find
Oct 07 10:20:04 <aol_> I'll search for it
Oct 07 10:22:37 <LoCusF> bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found <- while trying to set up the Maemo 5 SDK, I get this error, has anyone else experienced it?
Oct 07 10:22:44 <aol_> johnx: good point that x86 as it seems like there is no x86 target for the opengles
Oct 07 10:22:54 <aol_> johnx: seems to solve some of the later errors
Oct 07 10:23:09 <johnx> LoCusF, are you in sb or outside it?
Oct 07 10:23:44 <johnx> aol_, when you said you can't share it: do you mean it's some custom lib that your project links against internally?
Oct 07 10:24:25 <LoCusF> johnx: inside
Oct 07 10:25:24 <LoCusF> johnx: though my maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh got an error during the packages installation, because one package could not be downloaded
Oct 07 10:25:43 <LoCusF> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/x/xutils-dev/xutils-dev_7.4+4_i386.deb  Connection timed out [IP: 213.155.157.16 80]
Oct 07 10:25:59 <johnx> LoCusF, yeah. anything that depended on that will have failed to install ...
Oct 07 10:26:00 <X-Fade> LoCusF: WHat happens if you retry?
Oct 07 10:26:13 <johnx> your sdk install is probably mostly not there
Oct 07 10:26:42 <LoCusF> johnx: yeah
Oct 07 10:26:53 <LoCusF> X-Fade: I get an error that target names already exist
Oct 07 10:27:34 <LoCusF> gotta remove them and try again
Oct 07 10:29:11 <LoCusF> yep it was not installed properly :/
Oct 07 10:29:14 <Jaffa> X-Fade: How's it going with the autobuilder update?
Oct 07 10:29:23 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Waiting for Nokia.
Oct 07 10:29:33 <alterego> Damnit, the SDK doesn't work very well when you're using  a remote XServer :/
Oct 07 10:29:36 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Grr.
Oct 07 10:29:59 <X-Fade> LoCusF: target needds to be removed with -y option.
Oct 07 10:30:30 <wazd> yarrr, cable internets!
Oct 07 10:31:04 <johnx> wazd, they work ok when your ISP remembers to enable the "route packets" option on their routers ...
Oct 07 10:32:12 <X-Fade> Jaffa: We have to be cautious now, don't want to mess up just before the summit.
Oct 07 10:32:36 <X-Fade> Jaffa: But it seems a solution is coming up soon.
Oct 07 10:32:38 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Yeah.
Oct 07 10:33:18 <X-Fade> Jaffa: The most safe option was to wait..
Oct 07 10:34:09 <alterego> "GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: 6001cd, removing" :(
Oct 07 10:34:09 <LoCusF> X-Fade: sb-menu worked ok :)
Oct 07 10:34:20 <alterego> So none of the applications have any content.
Oct 07 10:34:37 <X-Fade> LoCusF: good. SDK bug has been filed for this issue.
Oct 07 10:34:50 <X-Fade> * will be
Oct 07 10:41:13 <LoCusF> hmm, its still not found ... this is weird, all went ok this time
Oct 07 10:42:53 <alterego> Hrm, now I'm just getting a twitter widget
Oct 07 10:45:24 <fatal^> is there some documentation about install files like http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras.install ?
Oct 07 10:45:39 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Presumably going back to the beta SDK isn't an option; because you got too far through the update before hitting the problems?
Oct 07 10:46:18 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah and the devices in peoples hands can/will differ too much.
Oct 07 10:46:52 <X-Fade> qt for instance is now available in the SDK.
Oct 07 10:47:05 <X-Fade> Which makes dependency checking change.
Oct 07 10:51:29 <gaspa> I just installed the new sdk, but i'm not able to use the keyboard inside xephyr, is it a fault of mine or an issue of this sdk?
Oct 07 10:51:36 <aol_> johnx: you were right, it was path issue
Oct 07 10:52:03 <aol_> johnx: there was qmake -project done so the needed modules were gone
Oct 07 10:52:55 <aol_> newbie mistake, but I'm quick learner :)
Oct 07 10:53:17 <johnx> aol_, glad to here you're sticking to it :)
Oct 07 10:53:31 <johnx> can be hard to get a dev env setup, but I think it gets easier after that
Oct 07 10:54:26 <aol_> actually this is rather nice, I get rarely such opportunity to learn new and get paid for it ... usually I learn stuff on my freetime for fun :)
Oct 07 10:54:43 <_marcell_> gaspa: how so? no response to any of your keypresses or something different?
Oct 07 10:55:01 <gaspa> _marcell_: found, I started Xephyr with -kb...
Oct 07 10:55:26 <aol_> johnx: the dev env is hard to setup, but qt creator seems really nice ... just waiting for the maemo sdk integration, I heard some rumors it would be out soon
Oct 07 10:55:27 <gaspa> as wrote in the docs, but a read through man deligth me ;)
Oct 07 10:55:50 <_marcell_> gaspa: it works for me either with -kb or without, just the layout is different
Oct 07 10:56:04 <gaspa> oh, strange, then.
Oct 07 10:56:04 <johnx> aol_, usually a vm disk image appears once the sdk is out for a while.
Oct 07 10:56:08 <johnx> definitely the way to go
Oct 07 10:56:34 <gaspa> there's no response at all, with -bk
Oct 07 10:56:34 <gaspa> -kb
Oct 07 11:00:00 <_marcell_> gaspa: I have ubuntu jaunty, 32 bit. the only difference for me is -kb gives the fi layout without the alt-gr key, so no "@" in xephyr for me, and omitting the -kb gives the us layout
Oct 07 11:00:38 <gaspa> _marcell_: giving another try...
Oct 07 11:03:17 <gaspa> _marcell_: mm... now it works ... well, don't know...
Oct 07 11:03:28 <wazd_> weeeee!)
Oct 07 11:03:38 <_marcell_> gaspa: ghost in the machine :)
Oct 07 11:03:49 <gaspa> surely.
Oct 07 11:04:00 <gaspa> _marcell_: anyway, thanks.
Oct 07 11:04:10 <Stskeeps> wazd_: net?
Oct 07 11:05:32 <RST38h> network back up and working?
Oct 07 11:06:07 * wazd_ cries in the rain :D
Oct 07 11:07:53 <RST38h> Rinet delivered? =)
Oct 07 11:10:19 <wazd_> RST38h: Akado :)
Oct 07 11:10:30 <wazd_> RST38h: I'm not in the center right now :)
Oct 07 11:10:33 <RST38h> Oh...
Oct 07 11:12:34 <wazd_> So, what exciting have I missed\?)
Oct 07 11:13:05 <Stskeeps> sdk release, maemo.gitorious.org ..
Oct 07 11:13:28 <jeremiah> I think the gitorious release is awesome
Oct 07 11:13:31 <jeremiah> Very cool
Oct 07 11:15:47 <zerojay> http://zerojay.com/misc/metroidwallpaper.zip - Metroid NES loopable wallpaper + .desktop file
Oct 07 11:16:17 <johnx> zerojay, hot. I want one for super metroid though :)
Oct 07 11:16:40 <tigert> why zip?
Oct 07 11:16:54 <suihkulokki> yeah, all the cool guys use rar
Oct 07 11:17:09 <X-Fade> How about deb? :)
Oct 07 11:17:15 <EspadaV8_W> ... new SDK?
Oct 07 11:17:22 <EspadaV8_W> out of beta?
Oct 07 11:17:30 <frals> yes
Oct 07 11:17:35 <EspadaV8_W> O>O
Oct 07 11:17:39 * EspadaV8_W missed the news
Oct 07 11:17:49 <zerojay> X-Fade: Someone's supposed to be working on a template as far as I know.
Oct 07 11:18:01 <wazd_> dataplan monitor looks wrong
Oct 07 11:18:11 <zerojay> wazd_: How?
Oct 07 11:18:21 <EspadaV8_W> frals: got a link to what's new?
Oct 07 11:18:38 <zerojay> johnx: Maybe tonight.
Oct 07 11:18:46 <wazd_> you can replace "uploadrd" and "downloaded" with small icons and make in 2x smaller
Oct 07 11:18:49 <frals> cant remember, think its linked in the talkthread about it
Oct 07 11:19:07 <johnx> zerojay, really? :D how are you making them? normal screenshots?
Oct 07 11:19:11 <zerojay> wazd_: How is that "wrong"?
Oct 07 11:19:37 <wazd_> zerojay: well, it can be better :)
Oct 07 11:19:40 <zerojay> johnx: Directly ripping the tile data from the ROMs, but yeah.
Oct 07 11:19:42 <wazd_> zerojay: I mean that
Oct 07 11:20:22 <zerojay> wazd_: Post on the thread for it... personally I think more icons would make it look far too busy.
Oct 07 11:21:22 <wazd_> zerojay: Now I'm loaded with highspeed cheap internet and ready to rumble :)
Oct 07 11:21:31 <zerojay> lol
Oct 07 11:21:38 <zerojay> Enjoy.. gotta head off to work.
Oct 07 11:22:18 * wazd_ wonders where's "download all" button
Oct 07 11:25:14 <javispedro> hello
Oct 07 11:26:00 <wazd_> javispedro: heya
Oct 07 11:26:17 <javispedro> hi wazd_, having proper connectivity now? :)
Oct 07 11:31:36 <wazd_> javispedro: yeahbaby! :D
Oct 07 11:35:57 <RST38h> zerojay: how about MarioWorld wallpaper? =)
Oct 07 11:36:42 <RST38h> (the SNES version of course, NEWS one is too simplistic)
Oct 07 11:36:46 <RST38h> s/NEWS/NES
Oct 07 11:37:23 <wazd> RST38h: T9 fails :)
Oct 07 11:39:28 <Honeyman> Hi all. Anybody has an idea why QT4 in debian still uses libqt4-core package name rather than libqtcore4?
Oct 07 11:39:35 <Honeyman> in maemo
Oct 07 11:39:55 <javispedro> that was changed quite recently iirc.
Oct 07 11:40:10 <Honeyman> Changed?
Oct 07 11:40:16 <javispedro> yes, in Fremantle.
Oct 07 11:40:26 <Honeyman> In Debian, it seems was changed to quite the opposite direction
Oct 07 11:40:45 <wazd> I guess there's no Virtual SDK image for m5?
Oct 07 11:41:10 <wazd> Quim posted a link but there's nothing there
Oct 07 11:41:14 <Honeyman> They have libqtcore4 as primary package and libqt4-core as transition package (depends on libqtcore4)
Oct 07 11:41:37 <Honeyman> Even though they have 4.5.2
Oct 07 11:41:38 <javispedro> true.
Oct 07 11:42:00 <javispedro> the version on the SDK seems from june
Oct 07 11:42:03 <RST38h> wazd: Brain fails at T9 algorithm =)
Oct 07 11:42:43 <wazd> RST38h: http://s47.radikal.ru/i116/0910/99/4ccff2ced1b9.jpg <- what do you think?
Oct 07 11:42:44 <Honeyman> javispedro: Is there any more recent version available somewhere?
Oct 07 11:43:05 <javispedro> Honeyman: dunno. ask -developers, I think it's a good question.
Oct 07 11:43:33 <Honeyman> javispedro: thanks
Oct 07 11:43:59 <javispedro> in diablo I have the newer naming already, and diablo is at 4.5.0 still.
Oct 07 11:44:37 <Honeyman> javispedro: Hmm. Thought you mean #maemo-developers
Oct 07 11:44:37 <javispedro> er.. at 4.5.2 too, but the new naming was in use since 4.5.0
Oct 07 11:44:52 <javispedro> Honeyman: no, I meant the mailing list.
Oct 07 11:46:16 <RST38h> wazd: NEED-TENTACLES
Oct 07 11:46:52 <RST38h> (seriously though, it looks like there won't be difference between desktops 1/3 and 2/4)
Oct 07 11:49:24 <koala_man> if you have a phone, say N900, with maemo.. do you get a root shell and such?
Oct 07 11:49:29 <Stskeeps> sure
Oct 07 11:49:41 <Stskeeps> just install rootsh, the first uploaded package in extras :)
Oct 07 11:49:47 <wazd> RST38h: meh :)
Oct 07 11:49:47 <Stskeeps> or enable r&d mode but rootsh acts better
Oct 07 11:49:48 <koala_man> can you replace the entire factory ui with your own stuff?
Oct 07 11:50:07 <Stskeeps> koala_man: you can even boot your own kernel and rootfs
Oct 07 11:50:12 <koala_man> awesome
Oct 07 11:51:00 <koala_man> how does that work in conjunction with the phone features? like, how do you make a call if you boot your own kernel?
Oct 07 11:51:47 <johnx> the phone hardware *probably* shows up as a serial port and a sound input/output, but it'd be up to you to make it work
Oct 07 11:51:57 <johnx> s/probably/might/
Oct 07 11:51:58 <infobot> johnx meant: the phone hardware *might* shows up as a serial port and a sound input/output, but it'd be up to you to make it work
Oct 07 11:51:59 <Robot101> I think the kernel stuff for talking to the cellular modem (phonet protocol and high-speed serial bus) is merged in linux-omap at least
Oct 07 11:52:25 <Robot101> there's firmware and parts in userland too
Oct 07 11:52:31 <Robot101> and pulseaudio with magic plugins
Oct 07 11:52:39 <Honeyman> javispedro: just for my curiosity; in diablo, are there both two packages, with libqtcore having the libs and libqt4-core being transitional?
Oct 07 11:52:53 <koala_man> sounds truly awesome. I recently machine washed my phone, and I'm looking for something that supports open development
Oct 07 11:53:05 <javispedro> Honeyman: yes
Oct 07 11:53:31 <Honeyman> Cool. So generally, we should expect the same in freemantle one day.
Oct 07 11:53:34 <Stskeeps> koala_man: as long as you are OK with some degree of blobs, you'll feel right at home
Oct 07 11:53:38 <javispedro> but those packages were done by gnuton (ping?)
Oct 07 11:56:35 <koala_man> Stskeeps: what are the blobs used for?
Oct 07 11:57:24 <Stskeeps> koala_man: the rule is that 80% is open, 20% closed. but nokia's pretty open about usage of them on the same device
Oct 07 11:57:43 <koala_man> device drivers?
Oct 07 11:58:21 <Honeyman> I am curious what is the status of pyqt4 on freemantle... maybe I am doing the work already done by someone.
Oct 07 11:58:26 <Macer> ok
Oct 07 11:58:33 <Macer> today has to be the day
Oct 07 11:58:42 <Macer> the touchbook shall arrive
Oct 07 11:58:44 <Stskeeps> koala_man: n900 kernel is fully open afaik. some things like 3d libraries and battery management and cell modem is closed
Oct 07 11:58:46 <Macer> i feel it heh
Oct 07 11:59:49 <Macer> it is like... 10 miles from here. if it doesnt make it here today i am going to be very disappointed with our postal system
Oct 07 12:09:17 <aspect> what cell module (hardware) is n900 using?
Oct 07 12:09:59 <Stskeeps> nokia's own probably
Oct 07 12:10:24 <aspect> that would make sense :)
Oct 07 12:11:33 <aol_> how do I get root access on xterm on N900? My colleague did it to my previous device, but now I need to have it on a fresh one
Oct 07 12:11:50 <Stskeeps> aol_: enable maemo extras, install rootsh, sudo gainroot?
Oct 07 12:12:00 <aol_> ok
Oct 07 12:12:06 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: or just type: root ;)
Oct 07 12:12:28 <aol_> yeah 'root' was the way I was using the previous device :)
Oct 07 12:13:18 <aol_> stskeeps: thanks for the advice!
Oct 07 12:16:27 <RST38h> X-Fade: Poor General will have to fight another security freak on Wiki with "maemo5 is unsafe!" fetish
Oct 07 12:16:41 <RST38h> or maybe freaks
Oct 07 12:17:07 <javispedro> RST38h: WANT, where?
Oct 07 12:18:50 <X-Fade> Sign, anther person not able to spell Fremantle. :)
Oct 07 12:19:09 <X-Fade> s/Sign/Sigh/
Oct 07 12:19:14 <RST38h> Fermantle it is. Lay it to rest. =)
Oct 07 12:19:14 <infobot> X-Fade meant: Sigh, anther person not able to spell Fremantle. :)
Oct 07 12:19:26 <javispedro> argh.
Oct 07 12:19:36 <LoCusF> is there a way to change the pybattery theme to LCARS?
Oct 07 12:19:36 <Honeyman> Oh god. I managed to start learning Maemo, to install beta 2 SDK and other stuff, just before there released final SDK. Now have to reinstall all this stuff again
Oct 07 12:19:37 <javispedro> Honeyman: it's Fremantle, not Freemantle.
Oct 07 12:19:50 <RST38h> javis: Ah, that thing is about one year old now, the culprit either got tired or got hospitalized
Oct 07 12:20:25 <Honeyman> javispedro: uh, I misspelled it in my email?
Oct 07 12:20:26 <RST38h> javis: But I am sure N900 release will bring all kinds of funny characters out of the woodwork
Oct 07 12:20:48 <javispedro> Honeyman: if you've sent it recently, yes.
Oct 07 12:20:54 <javispedro> RST38h: fun stuff.
Oct 07 12:21:48 * Honeyman facepalming myself
Oct 07 12:30:38 <Honeyman> Anybody knows, is it still libqt4-core rather than libqtcore4 in final Fremantle SDK?
Oct 07 12:30:54 <javispedro> Honeyman: yes.
Oct 07 12:31:30 <javispedro> I updated to it yesterday.
Oct 07 12:32:00 <LoCusF> hmm, now I got the af-sb-init.sh started but only thing I see is a twitter shortcut :D
Oct 07 12:35:31 <alterego> LoCusF: are you using Xephyr on a remote host?
Oct 07 12:35:57 <alterego> My scratchbox environment is inside a KVM vm and Xephyr is running on the hardware host, and I have that problem.
Oct 07 12:36:56 <alterego> It's quite odd though, if you restart it, you get one of three different behaviours
Oct 07 12:38:11 <wazd> I can hack SMW wallpaper a bit
Oct 07 12:38:35 <wazd> so it would be looped no matter how many homescreens are enabled
Oct 07 12:39:20 <RST38h> wazd: Btw, any progress on that ti73 skin? =)
Oct 07 12:39:36 <wazd> RST38h: haven't started yet
Oct 07 12:39:40 <RST38h> got it
Oct 07 12:40:21 <wazd> RST38h: I'll try to do it this evening
Oct 07 12:42:17 <RST38h> wazd: ...and if the cpu load gods are merciful, I will even be able to commit the package into extras-devel tonight :)
Oct 07 12:44:19 <LoCusF> alterego: nope, on my local host
Oct 07 12:44:47 <LoCusF> matchbox: No composite extension
Oct 07 12:44:48 <LoCusF> matchbox-window-manager: *Error*  OOM?
Oct 07 12:46:46 <wazd> theme maker works
Oct 07 12:46:54 <wazd> let's see what he'll do :)
Oct 07 12:46:58 <RST38h> in a way, yes
Oct 07 12:47:18 <sulx> anyone started "porting" mythtv to fremantle? =)
Oct 07 12:48:20 <wazd> looks like it just makes sources :(
Oct 07 12:49:41 <wazd> damn, I can't even try my theme in the SDK, what an irony :(
Oct 07 12:51:18 <ensi> can someone summarize what libosso is?
Oct 07 12:55:54 <RST38h> wazd: Want an idea?
Oct 07 12:56:14 <RST38h> wazd: Commit to extras-devel / fremantle / free and let others test it =)
Oct 07 12:56:38 <RST38h> Not sure how to make it pass autobuilder though
Oct 07 12:56:45 <wazd> RST38h: I don't care bout others, I want to test my theme somewhere :D
Oct 07 12:57:05 <johnx> if anyone responded to me: I missed your message
Oct 07 12:58:18 <RST38h> wazd: SDK does not work?
Oct 07 12:58:32 <samppa> ensi: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso/
Oct 07 12:58:35 * RST38h has not tried yet, as SB2 still does not have the Maemo5 SDK
Oct 07 12:59:19 <ensi> samppa: i wasnt asking for the details just want to know what it does
Oct 07 12:59:56 <samppa> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libosso/README
Oct 07 13:00:42 <samppa> ensi: you can see from the api docs what it does
Oct 07 13:01:08 <wazd> RST38h: It doesn't matter if it works or not, I can't make a deb on my own
Oct 07 13:01:10 <ensi> "Libosso is a wrapper library for user applications for platform-specific,
Oct 07 13:01:10 <ensi> frequently-used D-Bus services. Thus, it should not contain anything
Oct 07 13:01:10 <ensi> that is not platform-specific -- ideally Libosso should not exist.
Oct 07 13:01:16 <ensi> that is what i was looking for
Oct 07 13:01:43 <RST38h> wazd: this means thememaker does not work =)
Oct 07 13:01:52 <ensi> samppa: a bunch of details is not the same as an overall description
Oct 07 13:01:56 <RST38h> wazd: thememaker 1.22 actually COULD make a deb
Oct 07 13:02:02 <wazd> btw, I'd rather remove icons from al these small widgets
Oct 07 13:02:16 <wazd> waste of space
Oct 07 13:02:22 <samppa> ensi: hehe do you need that kind of answer to some school excercise :)
Oct 07 13:02:31 <RST38h> wazd: yyou had to replace dpkg-deb in its directory with dpkg-deb from your host system and rename a DEBIAN directory
Oct 07 13:02:46 <RST38h> But then it worked
Oct 07 13:03:26 <ensi> samppa: no, im trying to get the hang of maemoa architecture in order to do some work :|
Oct 07 13:04:07 <samppa> ensi: ok then this is good for you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide
Oct 07 13:04:18 <samppa> ensi: i expect you to develope for maemo5
Oct 07 13:04:24 <ensi> yeah i know this link thanks
Oct 07 13:11:33 <aSIMULAtor> hi
Oct 07 13:11:42 <Stskeeps> wello
Oct 07 13:12:13 <aSIMULAtor> oh
Oct 07 13:12:19 <aSIMULAtor> http://www.youtube.com/maemo5uiteam
Oct 07 13:12:27 <aSIMULAtor> spread the love and spread the URL :P
Oct 07 13:13:24 * Stskeeps looks
Oct 07 13:13:56 <RST38h> Asimulator: !
Oct 07 13:14:22 <X-Fade> Oh, I know those uncomfortable weird chairs in the lobby ;)
Oct 07 13:14:39 <RST38h> Asimulator: You guys are almost making me switch from using an ASCII file in C:\ to your calendar app =)
Oct 07 13:14:44 <ensi> nice english in the vids, cant find someone who can actually speak english?
Oct 07 13:15:54 <X-Fade> ensi: I think it is a lot better to let the team show their stuff than some fancy marketing company?
Oct 07 13:16:24 <Stskeeps> ensi: could have been worse, finland could have had dubbed tv instead of subtitles
Oct 07 13:16:36 <samppa> hehe
Oct 07 13:17:17 <RST38h> ensi: To me, their English is ok. Does nto have to be perfect.
Oct 07 13:17:33 <aSIMULAtor> ensi: i mean, most finns are billigual or trilingual
Oct 07 13:17:54 <glass__> most finns that you run into on the net anyways
Oct 07 13:17:58 <aSIMULAtor> considering they CAN speak english it's a great thing
Oct 07 13:18:21 <aSIMULAtor> well i'm sure in one of the videos coming out there will be a native english speaker
Oct 07 13:18:28 <aSIMULAtor> hope that will be a breath of fresh air :P
Oct 07 13:18:56 <SpeedEvil> Native english speakers can speak it remarkably badly :)
Oct 07 13:20:06 <cosmo> at least in London most people speak terrible english
Oct 07 13:24:50 <Shapeshifter> but when sliding the finger to change the month, there's no sliding animation or something
Oct 07 13:24:55 <Shapeshifter> ver little feedback
Oct 07 13:24:58 <Shapeshifter> *very
Oct 07 13:26:32 <johnx> IMNSHO, I think it's really cool that the UI team gets to do the demos
Oct 07 13:27:24 <RST38h> aSIMULAtor: interface with an online service is sorely needed, better Google Calendar
Oct 07 13:27:50 <RST38h> aSIMULATor: A lot of people I know use Google Calendar to sync all their calendars
Oct 07 13:28:52 <aSIMULAtor> unfortunately i cannot comment on features
Oct 07 13:29:43 <johnx> aSIMULAter, I've heard rumors that it supports months between 28 and 31 days. Can you confirm or deny this feature? :D
Oct 07 13:32:02 <aSIMULAtor> :P
Oct 07 13:52:20 * RST38h now procmails all emails with koi8 subjects into /dev/null. Disgusting.
Oct 07 13:52:57 <qwerty12> Including e-mails from fellow Russians?
Oct 07 13:53:12 <RST38h> qwerty: I do not get email in koi8, have not got any for years
Oct 07 13:53:19 <qwerty12> Ah
Oct 07 13:53:21 <RST38h> Not even getting email in cp1251
Oct 07 13:53:41 <jysky> who uses cp1251 anyway?
Oct 07 13:53:45 <RST38h> Windoze people
Oct 07 13:53:58 <RST38h> Video substitlers
Oct 07 13:53:58 <jysky> but they can do utf-8 also
Oct 07 13:54:08 <RST38h> utf-8 is a pain to work with
Oct 07 13:54:23 <Shapeshifter> utf-8 is not pain to work with
Oct 07 13:54:24 <RST38h> a lot of tools for subtitling do not support it
Oct 07 13:54:25 <jysky> eh?
Oct 07 13:54:35 <RST38h> Shape: For someone who only sees it occassionally, it is not
Oct 07 13:54:46 <RST38h> jysky: eh.
Oct 07 13:54:50 <jysky> utf-8 is most certanly not pain to work with, it's the people who doesn't use it that is the pain
Oct 07 13:54:59 <alterego> UTF, is a pain to work with,
Oct 07 13:55:19 <alterego> Especicially in languages that don't support it yet ..
Oct 07 13:55:26 <RST38h> jysky: well, it is of no difference to someone who has to "fix" a bunch of .srt files done in utf8
Oct 07 13:55:43 <jysky> easily done with a script of sort :)
Oct 07 13:55:49 <RST38h> jysky: Because his video player just happens not to support them
Oct 07 13:56:38 <RST38h> Anything can be done, it is amount of effort that matters
Oct 07 13:56:40 <jysky> one might wanna to rethink if player is good enough to use
Oct 07 13:56:46 <RST38h> it is
Oct 07 13:56:56 <RST38h> I tried alternatives, way way worse
Oct 07 13:57:10 <RST38h> (in other aspects of course)
Oct 07 13:57:15 <jysky> indeed
Oct 07 13:57:24 <jysky> well it's all about choises
Oct 07 13:57:39 <RST38h> it is all about self-inflicted buggery
Oct 07 13:57:53 <RST38h> whoever tells you that it is all about choices is wrong :)
Oct 07 13:59:02 <alterego> Grrrr
Oct 07 13:59:08 <jysky> depending how you want to live, if it is ok to live in cave then you can choose to do so BUT... :)
Oct 07 13:59:11 <Shapeshifter> well... mplayer does utf8 and it clearly is the best player >.>
Oct 07 13:59:22 <RST38h> jysky: no, that's not what I mean
Oct 07 13:59:53 <RST38h> jysky: I meant that you usually get to choose between a wet cave, a cold cave, and a cave full of vampiric bats
Oct 07 14:00:00 <Shapeshifter> RST38h: you're harming humanity by converting things _away_ from utf8
Oct 07 14:00:01 <Shapeshifter> that's insane
Oct 07 14:00:07 <Shapeshifter> and should be punishable
Oct 07 14:00:20 <Shapeshifter> all the hard work of finally getting utf8 everywhere
Oct 07 14:00:24 <RST38h> Shapeshifter: I am killing them and disposing of their corpses riiight after using them =)
Oct 07 14:00:32 <Shapeshifter> ok
Oct 07 14:01:01 <RST38h> jysky: So, yes, choice is good, but having at least one good choice is better :)
Oct 07 14:09:16 <jysky> :)
Oct 07 14:09:45 <wazd_> is it barcode birthday today or something? :)
Oct 07 14:10:15 <jysky> yeah
Oct 07 14:10:55 <wazd_> Ti 73 is a hellokitty calc :)
Oct 07 14:13:34 <aol_> do you guys know the Qt .pro file scope is for Fremantle ?
Oct 07 14:15:28 <RST38h> wazd: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!...
Oct 07 14:15:31 * RST38h runs for the hills
Oct 07 14:16:00 <RST38h> wazd: BTW, maybe I should randomly load the hello kitty skin on Sundays or something
Oct 07 14:16:41 <Stskeeps> yes, doing math on sundays is sinful
Oct 07 14:16:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 07 14:17:20 <qwerty12> s/on sundays//
Oct 07 14:17:41 <RST38h> Or check personal data for feminine forms of last names and turn on the hello kitty for girls
Oct 07 14:17:44 <fiferboy> aol_: I think it is Q_OS_FREMANTLE
Oct 07 14:17:55 <fiferboy> aol_: I know hildon in general is Q_WS_HILDON
Oct 07 14:18:13 <fiferboy> aol_: Yep, Q_OS_FREMANTLE
Oct 07 14:18:17 <wazd_> RST38h: in fact it looks like Ti 83+
Oct 07 14:18:30 <wazd_> RST38h: easy to remake
Oct 07 14:18:35 <aol_> fiferboy: that's the macro for compiler, but what is the scope in the .pro file? or is it really that one?
Oct 07 14:18:40 <RST38h> wazd: That is because TI73 *is* TI83+
Oct 07 14:18:50 <RST38h> wazd: But some functions have different functions on ti73
Oct 07 14:18:54 <wazd_> RST38h: buttons are different :)
Oct 07 14:19:01 <aol_> like "win32-g++"
Oct 07 14:19:07 <wazd_> fiferboy: heya :)
Oct 07 14:19:08 <fiferboy> aol_: Ah.  I don't think it has a separate one from hildon
Oct 07 14:19:08 <RST38h> s/functions/buttons sorry
Oct 07 14:19:16 <fiferboy> wazd_: Hey!  Happy barcode birthday!
Oct 07 14:19:19 <aol_> fiferboy: ok, what is it in hildon?
Oct 07 14:19:27 <fiferboy> hildon
Oct 07 14:19:35 <aol_> fiferboy: ok :) thanks!
Oct 07 14:19:36 <wazd_> fiferboy: saw you're rocking with zillions of desktop applets :P
Oct 07 14:19:44 <fiferboy> aol_: But it isn't quite working right now.
Oct 07 14:20:01 <fiferboy> It needs to be added to the default qmake spec config line
Oct 07 14:20:10 <fiferboy> I have to talk to Antonio about that
Oct 07 14:20:13 * JosefAssad is trying real hard not to pre-order a N900
Oct 07 14:20:19 <fiferboy> wazd_: Well, three :)
Oct 07 14:20:28 <Stskeeps> At the MAX 2009 conference Adobe demonstrated a new version of Flash, 10.1, running on the Nokia N900.
Oct 07 14:20:31 <Stskeeps> interesting
Oct 07 14:20:44 <javispedro> JosefAssad: no mms! no full portrait mode support! not 100% open source!
Oct 07 14:20:48 <javispedro> ;)
Oct 07 14:21:08 <RST38h> Sts: This is not a joke?
Oct 07 14:21:12 <RST38h> Sts: Real news?
Oct 07 14:21:17 <JosefAssad> javispedro: but... but... emacs on a cellphone with a hardware keyboard...
Oct 07 14:21:22 * JosefAssad sulks
Oct 07 14:21:23 <javispedro> Stskeeps: there's even a video, seen it?
Oct 07 14:21:26 <RST38h> Josef <== geek.
Oct 07 14:21:33 <Stskeeps> RST38h: it was on planet.maemo.org
Oct 07 14:21:36 <aol_> fiferboy: yeah seems it does not work, I'll try to experiment with that qmake config
Oct 07 14:21:42 <RST38h> You should ask Myrtti for the HelloKitty emacs theme, too
Oct 07 14:21:50 <JosefAssad> RST38h: manager, thank you. :)
Oct 07 14:21:57 <wazd_> NERDALERT!11
Oct 07 14:22:01 <JosefAssad> heh
Oct 07 14:22:45 <fiferboy> aol_: You have to add it to the config line in /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf
Oct 07 14:23:04 <aol_> thanks
Oct 07 14:23:27 <fiferboy> NP
Oct 07 14:23:42 <wazd_> fiferboy: try to remove applet icons
Oct 07 14:24:01 <wazd_> fiferboy: I'll draw some improvements for you
Oct 07 14:24:04 <fiferboy> wazd_: You mean when they are on the desktop?
Oct 07 14:24:08 <fiferboy> wazd_: Thanks
Oct 07 14:24:19 <wazd_> fiferboy: after ti 73 skin though :P
Oct 07 14:24:26 <fiferboy> Of course
Oct 07 14:24:26 <RST38h> 8)
Oct 07 14:24:32 <fiferboy> Hello Kitty comes first...
Oct 07 14:28:32 <cosmo> anyone got good recipe how to get debian package version to a #define in compilation?
Oct 07 14:29:20 <cosmo> i'd not prefer updating the number manyally to different places..
Oct 07 14:29:29 <Flyser> Is it right, that it's currently not possible to up-/download fremantle widgets or applications on maemo.org?
Oct 07 14:31:08 <Stskeeps> Flyser: builder is currently sleeping as to not break everything due to final SDK release
Oct 07 14:33:19 <X-Fade> I hope to awake it again today..
Oct 07 14:33:31 <X-Fade> If I manage to get all the right files in place ;)
Oct 07 14:35:20 <qwerty12> X-Fade: Don't worry, if you get it wrong, you'll find an angry mob at the Summit with pitchforks...
Oct 07 14:35:26 <javispedro> and torches..
Oct 07 14:35:35 <X-Fade> qwerty12: I only need to rebuild the complete repo then.
Oct 07 14:35:41 <X-Fade> qwerty12: No pressure or anything.
Oct 07 14:35:46 <qwerty12> Exactly. :)
Oct 07 14:36:33 <javispedro> X-Fade: btw, one little question... why does conboy ( http://maemo.org/packages/view/conboy/ ) get the bugtracker link while drnoksnes does not?
Oct 07 14:37:08 <X-Fade> javispedro: Are you using Xsbc-Bugtracker ?
Oct 07 14:37:28 <javispedro> X-Fade. Think so (maybe it's misformed). The funny thing is that Conboy is not.
Oct 07 14:37:50 <X-Fade> javispedro: I did a run last week where I edited every item, by hand.
Oct 07 14:38:18 <javispedro> ah. well, i'll try to see what's going on with the bugtracker field.
Oct 07 14:38:31 <X-Fade> You can check the Packages file.
Oct 07 14:38:42 <X-Fade> See if there is a Bugtracker: entry in there for your app.
Oct 07 14:38:53 <javispedro> apt-cache show drnoksnes in fremantle x86 shows it.
Oct 07 14:40:05 <javispedro> I currently have this in debian/control:
Oct 07 14:40:07 <javispedro> XSBC-Bugtracker:
Oct 07 14:40:07 <javispedro>  https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1014&atid=3790
Oct 07 14:40:10 <javispedro> (newline intented)
Oct 07 14:40:23 <X-Fade> javispedro: Xsbc-Bugtracker
Oct 07 14:40:27 <X-Fade> javispedro: notice case.
Oct 07 14:40:48 <javispedro> ah, didn't know it mattered. sorry :P
Oct 07 14:40:51 <X-Fade> And no newline.
Oct 07 14:41:07 <X-Fade> Or at least, I don't support that probably ;)
Oct 07 14:41:16 <javispedro> it goes over 80-columns
Oct 07 14:41:41 <X-Fade> Then I guess there is where the problem lies.
Oct 07 14:41:47 <Captain_Picard> any news about releasedate?
Oct 07 14:42:00 <Captain_Picard> november or next week?
Oct 07 14:42:02 <javispedro> I mean, without a newline the line is more than 80 chars.
Oct 07 14:42:36 <X-Fade> javispedro: Yeah, so I have to change the parser.
Oct 07 14:42:58 <javispedro> I dunno how debian handles urls longer than > 80 chars.
Oct 07 14:43:16 <javispedro> other than breaking them..
Oct 07 14:43:26 <qwerty12> TinyURL? ;P
Oct 07 14:43:34 <X-Fade> javispedro: Depends lines are most of the time much longer.
Oct 07 14:43:48 <javispedro> X-Fade: but they can be word wrapped.
Oct 07 14:43:54 <X-Fade> javispedro: Yes
Oct 07 14:44:11 <javispedro> harder with URLs :S
Oct 07 14:45:37 <javispedro> so I leave the newline as is and correct case.
Oct 07 14:46:11 <X-Fade> Yeah, I just need to fix that on my end.
Oct 07 14:46:24 <javispedro> sorry for the long url hehe :P
Oct 07 14:46:40 <X-Fade> javispedro: You should move to bugzilla anyway.
Oct 07 14:46:43 <ml-something> :/ damn you nokia, ship my phone!
Oct 07 14:47:02 <javispedro> True, at least the bug tracker.
Oct 07 14:47:24 <javispedro> I tend to use the feature request tracker as my ToDo list and that would win me free karma in bugzilla, which is not fair.
Oct 07 14:47:25 <Jaffa> X-Fade: "XSBC-" is the Debian standard prefix.
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Oct 07 14:49:26 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I haven't found a clear doc on that, it seems to be used in both cases.
Oct 07 14:49:48 <javispedro> the only doc I found is http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s5.7
Oct 07 14:50:05 <javispedro> they're upper case there, but does not say it matters.
Oct 07 14:50:48 <X-Fade> javispedro: It works with uppercase for you too.
Oct 07 14:50:54 <X-Fade> Bugtracker:  https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1014&atid=3790
Oct 07 14:50:58 <X-Fade> So no need to change..
Oct 07 14:51:12 <rob-bo> I have a question about installing the SDK
Oct 07 14:51:13 <X-Fade> And others who use lowercase also work.
Oct 07 14:51:22 <javispedro> ok then, thanks!
Oct 07 14:51:30 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Capitals seems to be the Debian docs way, so that should be the canonical way for packages etc.
Oct 07 14:56:33 <RST38h> http://www.openscreenproject.org/
Oct 07 15:02:34 <coldboot> I did some write performance tests on the Nokia n810, and writes to the primary internal card are 4.4 times faster than writes to the secondary. However using sqlite, doing database row commits are 20 times faster on the primary card.
Oct 07 15:05:07 <X-Fade> Running hermes test build on new fremantle autobuilder ;)
Oct 07 15:05:52 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Cool. 0.0.6 doesn't have a C component now, so the build-package is a bit noddy. 0.0.5 is more interesting if you want a complexer test
Oct 07 15:06:09 <Jaffa> 0.0.6 is all Python to try and improve the robustness for people like tigert
Oct 07 15:06:16 <SpeedEvil> coldboot: some bencmark that can do simple contiguous write, or block random write in various sizes might be more enlightneing.
Oct 07 15:06:23 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah, but I have some more demanding apps lined up ;)
Oct 07 15:06:31 * Jaffa grins
Oct 07 15:06:38 <X-Fade> fwiw, it succeeded.
Oct 07 15:06:52 <RST38h> SpeedEvil,coldboot: This kind of benchmarking has been done before, I would search t.m.o first
Oct 07 15:07:33 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Oct 07 15:07:38 <X-Fade> Jaffa: vala for instance?
Oct 07 15:07:41 <SpeedEvil> also on other flash memory types
Oct 07 15:08:02 <frals> Any bambuser feeds or similiar planned for the presentations at the summit?
Oct 07 15:11:49 <crashanddie> how can I change the PIN of an n800 if I don't know it?
Oct 07 15:12:06 <Stskeeps> 0000 is a good bet
Oct 07 15:12:11 <X-Fade> 12345
Oct 07 15:12:15 <Stskeeps> ah, es
Oct 07 15:12:42 <coldboot> RST38h: What's t.m.o?
Oct 07 15:12:42 <crashanddie> X-Fade: is that like a universal backdoor?
Oct 07 15:12:48 <crashanddie> coldboot: talk.maemo.org
Oct 07 15:13:01 <X-Fade> crashanddie: No, that is in the docs ;)
Oct 07 15:13:10 <X-Fade> crashanddie: just default.
Oct 07 15:13:47 <coldboot> crashanddie: The word "performance" is not found at all in all of the forums...
Oct 07 15:14:06 <coldboot> Random question?
Oct 07 15:14:22 <coldboot> Nevermind...
Oct 07 15:14:53 <coldboot> The "random question" thing should be more prevalent so you can see it, if it should be there at all.
Oct 07 15:17:00 <coldboot> Is there a program in Linux to track how much IO a specific program is doing, or how much IO has happened on the entire system to a particular volume?
Oct 07 15:17:39 <sulx> iotop?
Oct 07 15:18:20 <SpeedEvil> io to a particulat volume can be got htrough proc
Oct 07 15:22:58 <X-Fade> Hmm it seems to be building vala now, so that would mean I at least managed to get the Applications repository working ;)
Oct 07 15:23:33 <Stskeeps> what is Applications supposed to have in it anyway?
Oct 07 15:23:40 <qwerty12> Pitchfork-wielding Summit goers downgraded to just having sticks
Oct 07 15:24:09 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: It is the Nokia signed repo, which is enabled by default on the device.
Oct 07 15:24:14 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 07 15:24:33 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: This is where all commercial 3rd party apps are and also things like qt.
Oct 07 15:24:39 <Stskeeps> alright
Oct 07 15:25:00 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Which means we need to be able to link against it.
Oct 07 15:25:31 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 07 15:25:51 <wazd_> RST38h: tadam
Oct 07 15:26:03 <X-Fade> And believe me, there is some pain in getting and configuring that ;)
Oct 07 15:27:00 <Stskeeps> so you'll be having red eyes and a severe caffeine addiction during the summit? ;)
Oct 07 15:27:30 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Let's just say that I will be writing my presentation on the train tomorrow.
Oct 07 15:27:47 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Because this week was a bit heavy.
Oct 07 15:28:06 <wazd_> eeeek
Oct 07 15:28:27 <wazd_> http://s14.radikal.ru/i187/0910/0f/2cb3803b9844.png <- Ti 73
Oct 07 15:28:33 <Myrtti> I've hacked the pin on N800 before
Oct 07 15:28:37 <Myrtti> twas fun
Oct 07 15:30:47 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Cool. So is Hermes 0.0.6 going to show up in extras-devel as an update for my extreme "I don't care about my contacts getting trashed" beta testers?
Oct 07 15:31:48 <X-Fade> Jaffa: If vala manages to pass, then I'm fairly confident.
Oct 07 15:35:25 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Sounds sensible
Oct 07 15:37:30 <X-Fade> Maybe I should build some qt4 app to be really sure...
Oct 07 15:53:31 <vladovg> hi
Oct 07 15:53:39 <Stskeeps> wello
Oct 07 15:53:48 <vladovg> have a problem with app menager
Oct 07 15:55:21 <vladovg> it won refresh repositories from maemo http://repository.maemo.org/
Oct 07 15:55:33 <vladovg> giv a 404
Oct 07 15:55:42 <vladovg> erorr
Oct 07 16:13:18 <Robot101> anyone in the UK looking for jobs working with Maemo, Debian, packaging/integration, etc?
Oct 07 16:13:57 <X-Fade> lbt: -> Robot101 ?
Oct 07 16:14:51 <X-Fade> Robot101: Coming to the summit?
Oct 07 16:15:27 <Robot101> X-Fade: alas no, I'm going to the GNOME summit instead
Oct 07 16:15:41 <X-Fade> Robot101: Your loss ;)
Oct 07 16:15:47 <Robot101> we have quite a few people along at the maemo summit though, burger, marcoil, eean, treitter, barisione
Oct 07 16:17:19 <X-Fade> GAN800: Why are you not on a plane?
Oct 07 16:17:50 <X-Fade> Robot101: Ok, well I would have suggested that there might be some people there who are interested.
Oct 07 16:18:10 <Robot101> X-Fade: yeah, I'll make sure burger puts the word out :)
Oct 07 16:18:45 <X-Fade> Robot101: lbt is the Mer packaging guru and was looking for work a while ago.
Oct 07 16:18:58 <X-Fade> Robot101: But I'm not sure if that is still the case.
Oct 07 16:19:03 <Pavlov> ah maemo summit
Oct 07 16:29:51 <Jaffa> X-Fade: USPS fscked up GAN800's passport. He ain't coming now.
Oct 07 16:30:23 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, less USPS and mostly the State Department.
Oct 07 16:31:42 <johns> Hi
Oct 07 16:31:57 * frals bashes head against the desk
Oct 07 16:32:49 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, http://n900wallpapers.com/wallpaper/super-mario-world---yoshis-island-1
Oct 07 16:34:22 <Pavlov> GeneralAntilles: that is awesome
Oct 07 16:34:46 <GeneralAntilles> Pavlov, zerojay's been doing a bunch.
Oct 07 16:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> Pavlov, the Mars ones on there are great, too.
Oct 07 16:35:13 <frals> could anyone nod me in the right direction if im looking for how to take control of a received sms on the n900? ;)
Oct 07 16:35:15 <Stskeeps> Robot101: should hire qwerty12 as a young worker
Oct 07 16:35:32 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: open-wlan-cal: error while loading shared libraries: libopencal.so: cannot open
Oct 07 16:36:01 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, err... how you did that?
Oct 07 16:36:15 <johnsQ> johnsQ: I build the ebuild.
Oct 07 16:36:17 <Robot101> frals: see if you can find docs for csd
Oct 07 16:36:28 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, ldd `which open-wlan-cal`?
Oct 07 16:36:29 <johnsQ> now talking to myself :(
Oct 07 16:36:35 <Robot101> frals: it should at least, in theory, be possible to register for certain classes/ports of SMSes to be delivered to you
Oct 07 16:36:38 <frals> Robot101: csd, roger! thanks :)
Oct 07 16:37:02 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: libopencal.so => not found
Oct 07 16:38:01 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, ah, crap! i don't install so.
Oct 07 16:38:45 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: yes i'm always lucky to install broken packages
Oct 07 16:39:17 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, i guess you're the first one who tried it :)
Oct 07 16:41:01 <Shapeshifter> A question about GtkVBox. I have a vbox with two fields, the lower contains a hbox with buttons in it, the upper contains a text entry widget. Now both fields use the same amount of screen space, 50/50. but I would like the text entry only to take as much space as neccessary, and give the rest of the space to the lower field. I set homogeneous to FALSE for the vbox but it's still the same.
Oct 07 16:41:36 <javispedro> Shapeshifter: have a look at the gtk_box_pack_start arguments.
Oct 07 16:41:50 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, will fix in a couple of hours, for now you can copy it manually/make ebuild to install it/patch src/CMakeLists.txt to install it.
Oct 07 16:42:11 <Shapeshifter> javispedro: thanks.
Oct 07 16:42:19 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: I will wait testing the package ebuild than.
Oct 07 16:42:57 <timeless> hello cruel world
Oct 07 16:43:23 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, be careful with open-cal-tool -R, please :)
Oct 07 16:43:39 <Stskeeps> heyo timeless
Oct 07 16:44:06 <javispedro> hi timeless, the evil ones salute you.
Oct 07 16:44:28 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: i wanted to test if the wlan-cal works, i still have no connection to my router.
Oct 07 16:45:02 <timeless> so, i was supposed to figure out how i was staying in ams before i arrive
Oct 07 16:45:56 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, err... you always can `chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal`
Oct 07 16:46:32 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, actually we already do that in one of init scripts
Oct 07 16:46:55 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: but this isn't working. i was playing around to find the bug.
Oct 07 16:46:57 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, btw, why your Q grew up? :)
Oct 07 16:47:20 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, there may be rooms open in Ibis.
Oct 07 16:47:24 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, err... it works for me. luke-jr and (afaik) macer
Oct 07 16:47:52 <Pavlov> ibis was full
Oct 07 16:48:05 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: just typing failure to much development with camelcases.
Oct 07 16:48:05 <Pavlov> as of yesterday, when i tried
Oct 07 16:48:18 <Pavlov> at least the one in center
Oct 07 16:48:28 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody may be able to pick up my slot if you don't mind rooming with VDVsx. ;)
Oct 07 16:49:27 <Jaffa> timeless: Room in the Ibis seems most sensible
Oct 07 16:49:51 <Jaffa> timeless: There are still gaps - just claim one: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation#Shared_Room_Allocations (maybe mention it to VDVsx)
Oct 07 16:50:22 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, does original wlan-cal produce good output?
Oct 07 16:50:59 <johnsQ> slonopotamus: yes, it find the router but didn't connect.
Oct 07 16:51:18 <slonopotamus> johnsQ, wep/wpa?
Oct 07 16:52:23 <johnsQ> slonopotamus: WEP hidden id using iwconfig.
Oct 07 16:53:33 <slonopotamus> johnsQ, i always used wpa_supplicant... does diablo connect to it? or other gentoo boxes?
Oct 07 16:54:39 <johnsQ> slonopotamus: diable works fine, laptop works also (with wpa_supplicant)
Oct 07 16:54:46 <johnsQ> s/e/o/
Oct 07 16:54:47 <infobot> johnsQ meant: slonopotamus: diablo works fine, laptop works also (with wpa_supplicant)
Oct 07 16:55:54 <slonopotamus> johnsQ, maybe try wpa_supplicant here too?
Oct 07 16:55:58 <javispedro> by diablo you mean using diablo icd2 or using wpa_supplicant in diablo?
Oct 07 16:56:27 <johnsQ> just using the gui, net manager to connect.
Oct 07 16:56:53 <javispedro> wpa_supplicant may have some problems with cx3110x
Oct 07 16:57:08 <slonopotamus> johnsQ, since i don't know if it is n8x0 specific or wireless-tools/your config problem
Oct 07 16:58:17 <johnsQ> slonopotamus: i traced it to the point, when i disable hiding the essid, everything works. but original n810 net-manager works also with hidden id.
Oct 07 16:58:27 <javispedro> johnsQ: I was going to say that
Oct 07 16:58:31 <javispedro> hidden ssids are problematic.
Oct 07 16:58:35 <javispedro> are you using cx3110?
Oct 07 16:58:56 <Shapeshifter> I don't understand how to do this without getting warnings from the compiler. It works, but I want to get rid of the warnings: I have GtkWidget *container_vbox; container_vbox = gtk_vbox_new (FALSE, 0); and later I do gtk_box_pack_start(GTK_CONTAINER(container_vbox), message, FALSE, FALSE, 0); but this raises: "example_color_selector.c:98: warning: passing argument 1 of 'gtk_box_pack_start' from incompatible pointer type". I think it should ...
Oct 07 16:59:02 <Shapeshifter> ... be GtkBox instead of GtkWidget. But if I change this to GtkBox *container_vbox, then I get "warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type" when doing container_vbox = gtk_vbox_new (FALSE, 0);
Oct 07 16:59:26 <javispedro> Shapeshifter: because gtk_vbox_new returns GtkWidget instead of GtkBox.
Oct 07 16:59:53 <johnsQ> javispedro: yes the cx1110x module
Oct 07 17:00:12 <javispedro> johnsQ: I'd say you try the patched version
Oct 07 17:00:18 * javispedro googles
Oct 07 17:00:29 <Shapeshifter> javispedro: well yes, but how do I get a GtkVBox that is a GtkBox and not a GtkWidget
Oct 07 17:00:31 <javispedro> johnsQ: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html
Oct 07 17:01:19 <Shapeshifter> or, what should I be doing instead?
Oct 07 17:01:22 <johnsQ> javispedro: this patch is applied iirc
Oct 07 17:01:27 <javispedro> Shapeshifter: "GTK_BOX(gtk_vbox_new(....))"
Oct 07 17:01:52 <javispedro> johnsQ: dunno in Gentoo, but it's not in Diablo's initfs.
Oct 07 17:02:03 <Shapeshifter> javispedro: I see. thanks.
Oct 07 17:02:23 <johnsQ> javispedro: then i should try with out the patch.
Oct 07 17:02:35 <javispedro> johnsQ: insmod the module from diablo's initfs.
Oct 07 17:02:52 <javispedro> however precisely I doubt it'll work without the patch :S
Oct 07 17:03:30 <Stskeeps> lo qole
Oct 07 17:03:44 <Stskeeps> how is the coffeeshops? ;)
Oct 07 17:03:44 <Jaffa> Yay, Hermes 0.0.6 built into extras-devel
Oct 07 17:03:48 <Jaffa> qole: hiya
Oct 07 17:04:03 <Jaffa> qole: have you/timsamoff got different mobile phone numbers we should use for you?
Oct 07 17:04:25 <timsamoff1> Yes.
Oct 07 17:04:34 <qole> yes
Oct 07 17:05:06 <timsamoff1> don't know what it is though. :p
Oct 07 17:05:40 <Jaffa> timsamoff1: Send me an SMS?
Oct 07 17:06:19 * Jaffa is meeting rsperberg (and possibly rm_you) at Shithole tomorrow at 08:20 before training in to Centraal
Oct 07 17:08:20 <qole> timsamoff and i went to amsterdam central via  amsterdam south
Oct 07 17:08:41 <RST38h> BTW, gentlemen, anyone knows of a decent SIM card I can get at Amsterdam for these few days?
Oct 07 17:08:49 <qole> "lets get on this train!"
Oct 07 17:08:49 <RST38h> Mostly need it for data access
Oct 07 17:08:59 <qole> vodafone
Oct 07 17:09:01 <wazd_> RST38h: got the skin?
Oct 07 17:09:10 <RST38h> wazd: A moment, checking
Oct 07 17:09:16 <qole> 30 euros for everything
Oct 07 17:09:18 <wazd_> RST38h: http://i082.radikal.ru/0910/fb/b32c85598f55.png
Oct 07 17:10:09 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, of course, as soon as I get my new router the DD-WRT site goes down.
Oct 07 17:10:16 * GeneralAntilles recalls, again, why he switched to Tomato.
Oct 07 17:10:17 <qole> tim and i are on vodafone... in a tapas restaurant with lcuk, sjgadsby, timsamoff, vdvsx, qole
Oct 07 17:10:53 <johnsQ> javispedro: same effect, timeout during associate
Oct 07 17:10:55 <GeneralAntilles> Tell VDVsx timeless is looking for a room and might be headed his direction. ;)
Oct 07 17:11:49 <Xisdibik> qole:  30 euros for everything.... define everything on european standards :)
Oct 07 17:12:06 <javispedro> johnsQ: can you confirm the gentoo cx3110x is patched?
Oct 07 17:13:07 <johnsQ> javispedro: we-18 patch should be applied
Oct 07 17:13:57 <qole> everything means a local phone # and unlimited 3.5 G internet
Oct 07 17:14:12 <Stskeeps> where did you buy it?
Oct 07 17:14:41 <qole> vodaphone store
Oct 07 17:15:13 <Stskeeps> put info on wiki? :)
Oct 07 17:15:21 <ccooke> Heh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/36
Oct 07 17:15:22 <Xisdibik> qole: how much are local calls though?
Oct 07 17:15:34 <ccooke> Looks like the weather's seen us coming
Oct 07 17:20:48 <javispedro> johnsQ: I'd play with scan_ssid and ap_scan settings
Oct 07 17:21:01 <javispedro> johnsQ: on libicd-network-wpa I currently let wlancond associate with the AP then launch wpa_supplicant., but I remember getting it working using wpa_supp alone.
Oct 07 17:21:40 <Macer> got my touchbook
Oct 07 17:21:46 <johnsQ> javispedro: i currently play with wpa_supplicant and wpa_cli
Oct 07 17:22:19 <ShadowJK> macer: how is it?
Oct 07 17:22:38 <qole_> reboot.
Oct 07 17:22:39 <Macer> ShadowJK: i literally got it like 10 minutes ago
Oct 07 17:22:48 <Macer> so far it is a disappointment
Oct 07 17:22:58 <Macer> no battery meter
Oct 07 17:23:02 <Macer> the keyboard layout kind of sucks
Oct 07 17:23:07 <Macer> it tips
Oct 07 17:23:18 <javispedro> johnsQ: wpa_supp=wpa_supplicant  I mean. You can still play with the settings I mentioned.
Oct 07 17:23:31 <Macer> has a "default user of ai
Oct 07 17:23:32 <javispedro> only I don't know the exact wpa_cli syntax, only wpa_supplicant.conf.
Oct 07 17:23:48 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, meh, software.
Oct 07 17:23:51 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, software can be replaced. ;)
Oct 07 17:24:38 <javispedro> johnsQ: and also try doing an iwconfig essid after wpa_supplicant inits the interface but before it tries to associate (for ex. between timeouts)
Oct 07 17:24:54 <coldboot> sulx: Do you know how to get iotop on the device?
Oct 07 17:24:59 <ShadowJK> the tipping was reported by everyone else too :)
Oct 07 17:25:17 <Macer> GeneralAntilles: you can't stop the tipping with software
Oct 07 17:25:26 <Macer> maybe i will buy huge counterweights to put in the keyboard
Oct 07 17:25:29 <Macer> and add like 4
Oct 07 17:25:33 <Macer> 5lbs to it
Oct 07 17:25:40 <Macer> the keyboard layout kind of totally sucks
Oct 07 17:28:52 <Shapeshifter> Is there a way to get an image widget to show above a button title instead of just left and right? the buttons in my app are pretty much quadratic, and there's lots of space for an icon above the title. Seems like hildon_button_set_image_position only supports GTK_POS_LEFT and GTK_POS_RIGHT but not TOP or BOTTOM
Oct 07 17:29:13 * SpeedEvil loves yr.no http://www.yr.no/place/Netherlands/North_Holland/Amsterdam/hour_by_hour.html
Oct 07 17:29:24 <RST38h> wazd: No, I still have not got it. It is not in GMail inbox
Oct 07 17:29:33 <frals> SpeedEvil: ye, yr.no is awesome :)
Oct 07 17:30:08 <frals> btw, does anyone know how to simulate an incoming message on the sdk?
Oct 07 17:34:42 <wnd> Shapeshifter, "The HildonButton can hold any valid child widget". you could try to  create a vbox or something and pack the image and the label inside it.
Oct 07 17:34:48 <frals> hard to keep up with the forums while playing around in the sdk nowadays
Oct 07 17:37:08 <Shapeshifter> wnd: yeah. I'm trying to use GtkButton now as it apparently can do TOP and BOTTOM as well.
Oct 07 17:37:46 <lopz> hey!
Oct 07 17:41:39 <wazd_> RST38h:  http://i082.radikal.ru/0910/fb/b32c85598f55.png <----- JackPot :D
Oct 07 17:41:48 <RST38h> wazd: acknowledged
Oct 07 17:41:58 <RST38h> oh yesss
Oct 07 17:43:17 <aol_> anyone know if opengl will work with x86 target anytime soon
Oct 07 17:43:29 <aol_> would be nice to use it in the emulator too
Oct 07 17:44:49 <RST38h> wazd: Got it, will make a package in a moment
Oct 07 17:45:10 <aol_> or better, if I can run armel target on emulator anytime soon? I guess you can run armel software on scratchbox already, but the xephyr does not support it for some reason?
Oct 07 17:45:22 <wazd_> wowsht, I've missed summit badges request
Oct 07 17:45:50 <wazd_> well, can't be everywhere :)
Oct 07 17:46:04 <javispedro> aol_: opengl es 2 already does.
Oct 07 17:46:09 <javispedro> in x86.
Oct 07 17:46:18 <javispedro> aol_: and also you can get powervr sdks now.
Oct 07 17:46:52 <javispedro> however, there's no ogles2  armel emulator and probably there will never be.
Oct 07 17:47:11 <RST38h> wazd: Get the damn passport ASAP
Oct 07 17:47:18 <RST38h> wazd: Or you will miss the next summit =)
Oct 07 17:48:00 <wazd_> RST38h: I'm still collecting papers for army dep
Oct 07 17:48:05 <RST38h> oh
Oct 07 17:48:15 <aol_> javispedro: hmm, ok so I should be able to run opengl es app on the emulator with x86 target? I need to try again today
Oct 07 17:48:31 <javispedro> aol_: search for libgles2-dev package
Oct 07 17:48:37 <javispedro> (or use powervr sdk)
Oct 07 17:48:59 <aol_> ok. thanks!
Oct 07 17:49:33 <glass> hmm. thats nice
Oct 07 17:50:15 <aol_> i'm getting rather exited with qt and maemo :P
Oct 07 17:50:20 <aol_> excited
Oct 07 17:50:29 <javispedro> btw, dunno about qt glwidget, i never tried.
Oct 07 17:51:00 <aol_> I will let you know what happens
Oct 07 17:51:01 <glass> aol_: yeh i got rather unexcited with qt-symbian with no opengl
Oct 07 17:51:09 <aol_> probably I'll try it tomorrow morning
Oct 07 17:51:22 <javispedro> good luck.
Oct 07 17:51:25 <aol_> glass: are you doing qt stuff now? work? hobby?
Oct 07 17:51:37 <javispedro> if you want a "bare" x11+egl sample, I have one in tmo..
Oct 07 17:51:45 <glass> aol_: mm.. both? or um, keeping skills intact. or something :D
Oct 07 17:52:19 <aol_> ok.. I'd like to more my project to Qt but I feel Qt is not mature enough at symbian side
Oct 07 17:52:37 <aol_> so I'll still use my own cross platform stuff
Oct 07 17:52:41 <glass> yeh.. it's definetely worth the technology preview moniker..
Oct 07 17:52:58 <aol_> I think OpenC is letting Qt down
Oct 07 17:53:13 <aol_> OpenC is the crappiest piece of code I've ever seen... but a bit offtopic here
Oct 07 17:53:35 <Stskeeps>   /g 19
Oct 07 17:53:39 <glass> hehe.. actually i used openc for some sockets stuff lately for prototypetesting some shit
Oct 07 17:53:46 <glass> worked like a charm for that purpose
Oct 07 17:53:51 <RST38h> wazd: Works beautifully =) Thanks! Will compile Diablo package shortly
Oct 07 17:53:57 <glass> well. there were issues but anyhow
Oct 07 17:54:00 <RST38h> aol: What is wrong with openc
Oct 07 17:54:01 <RST38h> ?
Oct 07 17:54:02 <EspadaV8> updating to the final sdk from beta2, can i just rm -rf /scratchbox ?
Oct 07 17:54:25 <javispedro> EspadaV8: take care with that our you'll end up rm -rfing your home.
Oct 07 17:54:30 <aol_> rst38h/glass: I did one 1 year project. got serious brain injury from that. Basically it has a lots and lots of bugs.
Oct 07 17:54:31 <javispedro> s/our/or/
Oct 07 17:54:31 <infobot> javispedro meant: EspadaV8: take care with that or you'll end up rm -rfing your home.
Oct 07 17:54:51 <javispedro> EspadaV8: since sbox versions are the same afaik, just following upgrade instructions.
Oct 07 17:55:05 <glass> aol_: yeh some friends of mine did gpg porting to symbian for project course for it
Oct 07 17:55:16 <qwerty12_N810> EspadaV8: That's a little hardcore... I just did apt-get upgrade (I had sbox repo) to update Scratchbox and then just ran the SDK installer script which removed the old fremantle targets and then set up new ones
Oct 07 17:55:23 <aol_> they could have just picked up some libc implementation from open source wolrd and used that. but instead they implemented their own.... so sprintf throws expeptions, fopen quits after 65535 calls etc
Oct 07 17:55:31 <RST38h> aol: What do you mean by bugs? It is just plain C isn't it?
Oct 07 17:55:33 <EspadaV8> qwerty12_N810: i don't use debian, gentoo user here ;)
Oct 07 17:55:42 <EspadaV8> javispedro: ah, i thought there were issues with upgrading
Oct 07 17:55:46 <RST38h> hmm
Oct 07 17:55:48 <qwerty12_N810> EspadaV8: Urgh... you're on your own, then ;P
Oct 07 17:55:58 <glass> aol_: yeh and a lot of the stuff there was already available in symbian.. well of stuff that matters like zlib
Oct 07 17:56:00 <EspadaV8> and the scratchbox install script for beta2 doesn't have an uninstall option
Oct 07 17:56:07 <aol_> RST38h: well the posix functions dont work like they are supposed to. crap implementation. thats outsourcing to india for everybody..
Oct 07 17:56:12 <javispedro> EspadaV8: if you shutdown sbox properly you are safe.
Oct 07 17:56:21 <javispedro> /etc/init.d/scratchbox stop in debian.
Oct 07 17:56:28 <RST38h> aol: Oh
Oct 07 17:56:31 <aol_> (sorry if I offended any Indians with that remark)
Oct 07 17:56:33 <glass> RST38h: it's not just plain c, it's just libraries to interface standard c like stuff to the underlying symbian libraries
Oct 07 17:56:39 <javispedro> then check /proc/mounts to see if there's still something mounted around /scratchbox
Oct 07 17:56:53 <RST38h> glass: As long as I get my main(), malloc(), and stdio, I am happy
Oct 07 17:57:04 <glass> RST38h: yeh you get that but you got that before openc anyhow
Oct 07 17:57:07 <aol_> also getting posix time in seconds takes 50ms with OpenC
Oct 07 17:57:18 <RST38h> wazd: Shit, can't make easter egg out of the Hello Kitty skin because it is for 84+SE and I still do not emulate that
Oct 07 17:57:22 <aol_> it's supposed to take like under 1ms ... but they can't program....
Oct 07 17:57:30 <RST38h> glass: I did not get main()
Oct 07 17:57:50 <glass> RST38h: you did..    look for goboy sources if you want to know how..
Oct 07 17:58:03 <RST38h> Ah, I think I know what you mean
Oct 07 17:58:04 <EspadaV8> javispedro: cool, i don't start scratchbox by default, so i'll be fine :-)
Oct 07 17:58:15 * EspadaV8 crosses fingers
Oct 07 17:58:38 <javispedro> did you read that hint about checking /proc/mounts just to be sure?
Oct 07 18:00:17 <jeward> High, I currently tether happily on a Sprint Sero plan and have passed 40M of data through the phone in a month.
Oct 07 18:00:28 <EspadaV8> javispedro: http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d2573910b - looks fine to me
Oct 07 18:00:30 <jeward> MY problem is, my phone is dying and I need to replace it.
Oct 07 18:00:53 <jeward> What's the best current phone I can use to tether and stay on my cheap Sero plan?
Oct 07 18:01:06 <javispedro> jeward: wrong channel I guess...
Oct 07 18:01:15 <jeward> What would the right channel be?
Oct 07 18:01:45 <javispedro> dunno, but if you're asking, maemo can tether to most phones...
Oct 07 18:02:07 <jeward> That's been my experience.  I just don't know what newer phone to get to etther to.
Oct 07 18:02:11 <jeward> tether
Oct 07 18:02:41 <GeneralAntilles> jeward, switch to a GSM network and get an N900? ;)
Oct 07 18:02:48 <RST38h> X-Fade: Please, fix the dput upload, at least for a second>
Oct 07 18:02:51 <RST38h> ?
Oct 07 18:02:55 <jeward> I'm very tempted to do just that!
Oct 07 18:03:00 <sneakret> I'd pick a phone, then search for information on tethering with that phone.
Oct 07 18:03:15 <jeward> Good idea.
Oct 07 18:03:31 <jeward> I get conflicting reports about what I can use with my cheap plan though.
Oct 07 18:03:45 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_, javispedro: using wpa_supplicant and while it is running iwconfig essid xxxx works.
Oct 07 18:03:58 <sneakret> Are you using bluetoot DUN?
Oct 07 18:04:02 <ShadowJK> shouldn't you ask your operator on their restrictions?
Oct 07 18:04:27 <sneakret> If so, you just need to verify that bluetooth DUN works on the phone you want.
Oct 07 18:04:27 <glass> if the operator has some model restrictions, thats highly operator specific
Oct 07 18:04:31 <wazd_> guys what do you think? http://s54.radikal.ru/i146/0910/c9/8a28bd1cda38.png
Oct 07 18:04:32 <javispedro> johnsQ: aha, ta (since now I remember another reason I'm using wlancond in libicd-network-wpa :P )
Oct 07 18:04:38 <jeward> I've tethered both my Mac and my N810 through my current phone: Palm Treo 755.
Oct 07 18:04:38 <glass> probably they don't, if you got a sim card, just stick it into anything
Oct 07 18:05:08 <SpeedEvil> Some operators restrict the phone.
Oct 07 18:05:24 <SpeedEvil> for example three.co.uk will kill your SIM if it's in a 2G phone
Oct 07 18:05:36 <RST38h> wazd:
Oct 07 18:05:38 <sneakret> GeneralAntilles: I wish I could reasonably switch to GSM and get an N900, but I have four people on my plan, so switching would be a big deal. :(
Oct 07 18:05:48 <RST38h> wazd: How about replacing W/D with icons?
Oct 07 18:05:49 <jeward> I read T-Mobile has made a change to stop unlocked iPhones from tethering.
Oct 07 18:06:07 <sneakret> I've considered getting the N900 and a T-Mobile data-only plan.
Oct 07 18:06:10 <RST38h> wazd: like, a little cloud icon, with arrow going up for upload, down for download?
Oct 07 18:06:13 <glass> jeward: how they make it happen?
Oct 07 18:06:17 <sneakret> but that's $40/month
Oct 07 18:06:25 <javispedro> wazd: same as RST :)
Oct 07 18:06:27 <microlith> sneakret: better than data + voice :/
Oct 07 18:06:44 <wazd_> maybe just up/down arrow? :D
Oct 07 18:06:53 <jeward> Yeahm, the data plans are getting steep all over.
Oct 07 18:07:01 <javispedro> I would put a phone and green/red right/left arrows
Oct 07 18:07:03 <RST38h> maybe, but then it won't be clear where this stuff is going :)
Oct 07 18:07:06 <SpeedEvil> jeward: apple made a recent OS update which did that - reportedly
Oct 07 18:07:26 <wazd_> RST38h: well, like UP-load and DOWN-load :D
Oct 07 18:07:35 <SpeedEvil> jeward: basically - if your telco isn't recognised, you can't tether.
Oct 07 18:07:49 <sneakret> I guess the up-side to that T-Mobile solution is that I could also use that same SIM card in a computer...
Oct 07 18:07:59 <wazd_> javispedro: funny but first I've made dot with yellow/green arrows
Oct 07 18:08:20 <javispedro> :)
Oct 07 18:08:40 <EspadaV8> wazd_: oooh, looks pretty
Oct 07 18:08:45 * EspadaV8 is sad though
Oct 07 18:08:47 <wazd_> javispedro: But I thought it would be a bit annoying to have tiny bright spot
Oct 07 18:08:53 <EspadaV8> find out i have to return the n900 in a week
Oct 07 18:09:02 <EspadaV8> *found
Oct 07 18:09:10 <wazd_> EspadaV8: move to Cuba
Oct 07 18:09:23 <EspadaV8> cuba?
Oct 07 18:09:29 <EspadaV8> any reason?
Oct 07 18:09:34 <javispedro> EspadaV8: disappearing from the public eye :)
Oct 07 18:09:42 <EspadaV8> ahhh
Oct 07 18:09:44 <EspadaV8> lol
Oct 07 18:09:44 <wazd_> EspadaV8: and keep n900 :D
Oct 07 18:09:54 <EspadaV8> going to see if i can get it for another few weeks
Oct 07 18:12:31 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, so, that effectively means that root of the problem is cx3110x + hidden ssid
Oct 07 18:13:40 <EspadaV8> is there any kind of timeline for Maemo 6?
Oct 07 18:13:47 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: yes. i wanted to tryout the opensource wlan driver, but this need newer kernel and linux-omap is currently broken for n810
Oct 07 18:13:48 <EspadaV8> like, even a year
Oct 07 18:14:04 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, err
Oct 07 18:14:13 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, i sent you a link earlier
Oct 07 18:14:40 <johnx_> EspadaV8: more than a year
Oct 07 18:14:55 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, http://www.elinux.org/N800
Oct 07 18:15:25 <timeless> espadav8: i don't believe such info publicly exists
Oct 07 18:15:42 <timeless> nor do i think people are really sure at nokia :)
Oct 07 18:15:44 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: i know it, but it is outdated
Oct 07 18:16:24 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, yep, but at least they give a hint when linux-omap was working on n8x0
Oct 07 18:16:46 <EspadaV8> johnx_, timeless: thanks
Oct 07 18:16:58 <EspadaV8> just wondering if they were planning 2010 or 2011
Oct 07 18:17:10 <EspadaV8> and if we know if the n900 will support it
Oct 07 18:17:10 <Stskeeps> 2012, so the world can end before it comes out ;p
Oct 07 18:17:15 <wazd_> another shot: http://i047.radikal.ru/0910/3e/63301b4d37bb.png
Oct 07 18:17:21 <RST38h> EspadaV8: We do not
Oct 07 18:17:25 <EspadaV8> nnoooooo :(
Oct 07 18:17:31 <EspadaV8> i want to see it before then Stskeeps
Oct 07 18:17:44 * EspadaV8 wants to see Qt4 based Nokia phones :-D
Oct 07 18:17:54 <RST38h> wazd: Got an idea
Oct 07 18:18:01 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: with the trick wlan seems to work, i can kill maemo on the device.
Oct 07 18:18:03 <Stskeeps> EspadaV8: 10 bucks they'll throw money after the community and let them build a variant
Oct 07 18:18:30 <RST38h> wazd: Draw larger phone icon at the left, spanning both rows. Make arrows point to that phone
Oct 07 18:18:33 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, oh! you got sound working?
Oct 07 18:18:52 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, i recall you had some problems with mp3
Oct 07 18:19:38 <EspadaV8> Stskeeps: ? you mean to port maemo6 to the 900?
Oct 07 18:19:55 <Stskeeps> it's a great team building exersise.
Oct 07 18:19:59 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: it runs. but don't use mad commandline, it has alsa device hardcoded, mpg321 -o alsa worked
Oct 07 18:19:59 <wazd_> RST38h: phone is too complicated
Oct 07 18:20:03 <wazd_> RST38h: imo
Oct 07 18:20:14 <wazd_> RST38h: widget should be subliminal
Oct 07 18:20:26 <EspadaV8> i thought the U/D was nicer wazd_
Oct 07 18:20:36 <EspadaV8> although i'd have the arrows pointing up/down
Oct 07 18:20:54 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, i see. so, now you're a somewhat-happy-gentoo-on-n8x0-user? :)
Oct 07 18:21:12 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: sound was now borken with maemo :(, don't know why.
Oct 07 18:21:48 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, in maemo?
Oct 07 18:22:36 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: yes in maemo. i think i must reflash diablo, but now i can kill it.
Oct 07 18:24:22 <slonopotamus_> :)
Oct 07 18:24:24 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: latest firefox compiles and didn't crash and i wrote my own picture/image viewer.
Oct 07 18:25:04 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, tried smth based on webkit?
Oct 07 18:25:13 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, should be faster
Oct 07 18:25:23 <EspadaV8> hmmm, arora should compile for the 900
Oct 07 18:25:24 <wazd_> third shot: http://i020.radikal.ru/0910/4f/96fbd8ee5047.png
Oct 07 18:25:27 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: yes, but icu-4.2 didn't compile on the device
Oct 07 18:25:28 * EspadaV8 might give it a go
Oct 07 18:25:56 <EspadaV8> wazd_: O.O how much is your data plan?
Oct 07 18:26:10 <wazd_> EspadaV8: :D
Oct 07 18:26:19 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, file a bug :) #gentoo-embedded guys are pretty helpful
Oct 07 18:26:31 <EspadaV8> looks nice though
Oct 07 18:26:33 <johnx_> the phone company must love you wazd_ :P
Oct 07 18:26:41 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, they'll need build log and emerge --info output
Oct 07 18:27:02 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: i was trying to compile an older version, than we started talking about the wlan problem.
Oct 07 18:27:04 * EspadaV8 is unsure if coloured up/down arrows would be good
Oct 07 18:27:14 <wazd_> EspadaV8: I don't think so
Oct 07 18:27:15 <EspadaV8> as it stands, it's nice and 'plain'
Oct 07 18:27:15 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, i see
Oct 07 18:27:40 <EspadaV8> is that in USD?
Oct 07 18:27:52 <wazd_> EspadaV8: colors are usually used to code something
Oct 07 18:28:03 <wazd_> EspadaV8: red = alert, green = something good
Oct 07 18:28:11 <EspadaV8> or like.... ZWD
Oct 07 18:28:30 <wazd_> EspadaV8: that's random number, relax :D
Oct 07 18:28:30 <EspadaV8> true
Oct 07 18:28:42 <EspadaV8> do they flash on activity?
Oct 07 18:28:45 <EspadaV8> ahhh, ok, lol
Oct 07 18:28:47 <johnx_> heh. the total should go red when it's twice your monthly salary :P
Oct 07 18:28:53 <EspadaV8> lol
Oct 07 18:29:09 <wazd_> johnx: in fact it's a good idea
Oct 07 18:29:16 <wazd_> johnx: go red when beyond limit
Oct 07 18:29:19 <EspadaV8> i thought everywhere did unlimited these days
Oct 07 18:29:26 <wazd_> johnx: yellow when near it
Oct 07 18:29:42 <johnx_> should be easy to code I would think
Oct 07 18:30:06 <wazd_> see, instead of icons we're doing something useful :)
Oct 07 18:30:47 <javispedro> :)
Oct 07 18:31:05 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, so... i'm happy that my project happenned to be useful for you :)
Oct 07 18:31:17 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, btw, read about xorg-1.7?
Oct 07 18:31:46 <wazd_> EspadaV8: well, you can turn off money tracker if you have unlim
Oct 07 18:31:47 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, they say they fixed 255 keycode limit (Fn key problem)
Oct 07 18:32:02 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: yes. i hope they add right button emulation to evdev, than all can be done with native xorg.
Oct 07 18:32:02 <wazd_> EspadaV8: but for those loosers like me it would be nice function :)
Oct 07 18:32:33 <EspadaV8> wazd_: yeah, i agree, it would be
Oct 07 18:33:43 <johnx_> johnsQ: evtouch has right click emu
Oct 07 18:34:10 <wazd_> now we need to summon fiferboy :P
Oct 07 18:34:27 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, what's wrong with tslib?
Oct 07 18:34:31 <johnsQ> johnx_: yes but no official xorg package.
Oct 07 18:34:54 <johnx_> in gentoo?
Oct 07 18:35:49 <wazd> EspadaV8: and as for blinking icons - you'll see the activity just by looking at changing numbers :)
Oct 07 18:36:14 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, i can hack up ebuild for it, if you want
Oct 07 18:36:16 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: i don't recall, but it didn't worked for me.
Oct 07 18:36:56 <EspadaV8> wazd: .... oh yeah
Oct 07 18:37:08 <qwerty12_N810> GAN8001: Under attack by the enemy? ;P
Oct 07 18:37:10 <johnsQ> johnx_: i fixed the evtouch, to compile with latest xorg server version.
Oct 07 18:37:20 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N810, trying to get my new WRT320N set up.
Oct 07 18:37:34 <qwerty12_N810> Ah, heh
Oct 07 18:38:36 <johnsQ> i don't understand why they didn't add it to evdev, nearly the same code used for the middle button emulation.
Oct 07 18:39:17 <johnsQ> johnx_: evdev supports runtime calibration  iirc
Oct 07 18:39:53 <johnx_> I have no idea. just reporting what I've seen
Oct 07 18:41:09 <johnsQ> i can add it to the window manager, than no need for driver support.
Oct 07 18:41:45 <johnx_> can add it lots of places
Oct 07 18:42:03 <johnx_> It's easy to add it at the toolkit level as well, might be more flexible
Oct 07 18:42:28 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: reboot worked, i added the iwconfig wlan0 essid to /etc/conf.d/local
Oct 07 18:42:55 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, maaaagic :)
Oct 07 18:44:53 <acouto> hi all
Oct 07 18:45:19 <johnx_> gah. sitting on a hard tile floor. butt falling asleep. catch you guys in 10+ hours
Oct 07 18:48:15 <acouto> is there a way to simulate a GPS in the scratchbox? Because i always have to leave to get a signal?
Oct 07 18:50:01 <samppa> create a thread that calls your "changed" callback funcktion with fake values :)
Oct 07 18:53:20 <acouto> samppa, yep, thanks
Oct 07 18:53:44 <samppa> acouto: np
Oct 07 18:54:57 <RST38h> moo ap
Oct 07 18:54:59 <RST38h> zap
Oct 07 18:55:08 <samppa> acouto: it would be nice indeed if there would be somekind of dummy location service in the sdk which gives some random values if its used
Oct 07 18:55:13 <Shapeshifter> has someone noticed that image widgets or images in general that contain orange color get changed to blue shades in the sdk for some reason?
Oct 07 18:55:31 <javispedro> Shapeshifter: I hereby welcome you to the palette swap bug.
Oct 07 18:55:32 <RST38h> wazd: the pay calculation is going to be a problem
Oct 07 18:55:34 <samppa> Shapeshifter: yeah for me the colours in the sdk are fucked up from time to time
Oct 07 18:56:10 <javispedro> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870
Oct 07 18:56:13 <timeless> yep, that's normal
Oct 07 18:56:19 <wazd> RST38h: why?
Oct 07 18:56:29 * javispedro remembers he needs to change the subject..
Oct 07 18:56:30 <RST38h> wazd: plans differ widely
Oct 07 18:56:44 <RST38h> wazd: For example MTS charges different rates at day and night
Oct 07 18:57:08 <RST38h> wazd: Vodafone has got a "free" limit of MB per month + additional data available at high rate
Oct 07 18:57:10 <Shapeshifter> interesting. thanks
Oct 07 18:57:11 <acouto> samppa, it's true
Oct 07 18:57:31 <RST38h> wazd: Some other companies offer "unlimited" data plans with a cap
Oct 07 18:57:34 <wazd> RST38h: well, then screw it :)
Oct 07 18:57:43 <RST38h> yep
Oct 07 19:08:23 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: media-sound/mpd also worked
Oct 07 19:08:38 <Stskeeps> sound with dsp tasks or without?
Oct 07 19:08:53 <johnsQ> Stskeeps: with dsp task helper
Oct 07 19:09:16 <Stskeeps> hmm? so you are having the properitary DSP tasks for sound/
Oct 07 19:09:53 <johnsQ> Stskeeps: i don't know slonopotamus_ build it, i only tested it
Oct 07 19:10:07 <orbarron> hi all: just a quick question... I am trying to register a project on the garage but I see a "Do not use 'maemo' in the project- or in the Unix-name!" Does anyone know how Maemo on Beagleboard did it? Please help me understand this...
Oct 07 19:10:29 <Stskeeps> orbarron: maemo on beagleboard is a nokia project technically
Oct 07 19:10:40 <orbarron> IC
Oct 07 19:11:00 <Stskeeps> what are you trying to register, out of curiousity?
Oct 07 19:12:10 <Stskeeps> orbarron: basically they try to avoid trademark issues by banning *maemo* in project names i think :P
Oct 07 19:12:29 <orbarron> Stskeeps: I want to add a zoom project
Oct 07 19:12:39 <Stskeeps> alright
Oct 07 19:12:52 <Stskeeps> omap zoom? an interesting device
Oct 07 19:12:59 <orbarron> yes
Oct 07 19:13:13 <orbarron> zoom2 to be correct
Oct 07 19:13:22 <Stskeeps> ah, yeah, even better ;)
Oct 07 19:13:24 <Stskeeps> it
Oct 07 19:13:32 <Stskeeps> 's on my list of things to buy to play with it
Oct 07 19:14:15 <orbarron> that's what I wanted to hear...
Oct 07 19:14:17 <Stskeeps> orbarron: maybe port-zoom2 or something as a suggestion
Oct 07 19:14:36 <orbarron> All: anyother suggestions?
Oct 07 19:14:44 <orbarron> thanks Stskeeps
Oct 07 19:14:58 <Stskeeps> orbarron: and if you have any questions re maemo's at times crazy portability issues, feel free to ask
Oct 07 19:15:22 <Stskeeps> i'm from the Mer project (wiki.maemo.org/Mer) and have been traumatised for over a year on these issues :)
Oct 07 19:15:44 <orbarron> I will... BTW: can anyone do this using oe?
Oct 07 19:16:16 <Stskeeps> you will want to talk to rkirti, she's a GSoC student who ported maemo stack to OE
Oct 07 19:16:17 <orbarron> I have just jumped in so I am not sure what I am dealing with YET....:P
Oct 07 19:16:32 <Stskeeps> orbarron: expect a couple of months in therapy ;)
Oct 07 19:17:10 <Stskeeps> but honestly, if you want to do a maemo port to zoom, you will want to do similar things to the beagleboard project
Oct 07 19:18:01 <orbarron> I was planning on starting that way.. but not sure on OE vs standard ways
Oct 07 19:18:34 <orbarron> I just got familiar with OE but now I am in new waters again...
Oct 07 19:18:34 <Stskeeps> start out from having a kernel and a lib/modules dir, then rest is pretty managable. you'll want fakegetbootstate for sure :)
Oct 07 19:19:11 <Stskeeps> and regarding kernel, take whatever kernel you have working and then patch with fremantle things if need be :P
Oct 07 19:19:52 <orbarron> thanks... Let me start with a project name and then go in that direction....
Oct 07 19:21:02 <Stskeeps> and good luck, i'm happy to see more maemo ports :)
Oct 07 19:21:27 <Stskeeps> is it something you're doing for personal fun or? (i see your hostname)
Oct 07 19:22:20 <orbarron> personal and other... would love to see more people join the omap wagon
Oct 07 19:22:37 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Oct 07 19:23:22 <orbarron> Stskeeps: I assume you have a beagle?
Oct 07 19:23:23 <johnsQ> *evil* port windows to omap
Oct 07 19:23:33 <Stskeeps> orbarron: i used to at my previous work
Oct 07 19:23:37 <orbarron> IC
Oct 07 19:24:03 <Stskeeps> actually two ;) no idea what they're used for now
Oct 07 19:24:22 <orbarron> got some zoom2's....
Oct 07 19:25:34 * brbrbr warmly greet everyone :P
Oct 07 19:26:08 <Stskeeps> hehe, if you want to get a port of Mer (community Maemo) onto a zoom2, i can suggest some people to mail to, to get it done ;)
Oct 07 19:27:15 <orbarron> please... do
Oct 07 19:28:01 <Stskeeps> k - i meant mail one to but :P
Oct 07 19:28:33 <Stskeeps> my issue with zoom2 is price but then again you do get quite a lot for the price
Oct 07 19:29:16 <Stskeeps> looking forward to a presentation on it at maemo summit
Oct 07 19:29:41 <orbarron> I agree, but I do like working with it... Personally I think is a nice platform..
Oct 07 19:29:59 <orbarron> I wanted to go, but I think I started to late....
Oct 07 19:30:12 <orbarron> :'(
Oct 07 19:30:23 <Stskeeps> yeah, it filled up pretty quickly after n900 announcement
Oct 07 19:32:49 <Shapeshifter> "hildon_set_password_dialog_new is deprecated and should not be used in newly-written code" - so, what should I use instead?
Oct 07 19:32:57 <Stskeeps> orbarron: but re Mer, - if you have the SGX drivers on it, you can get as far as http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/polished2.png with the new fremantle desktop we're putting in
Oct 07 19:33:23 <wazd> Stskeeps: wowawewa! :D
Oct 07 19:33:32 <Stskeeps> oh, right, wazd didn't see that yet
Oct 07 19:33:50 <Stskeeps> orbarron: and fully open source besides the 3d libs
Oct 07 19:34:02 <wazd> try new wallpaper :)
Oct 07 19:34:05 <Stskeeps> yeah, i will
Oct 07 19:34:11 <Stskeeps> i just didn't have time today, something came up
Oct 07 19:34:42 <Jaffa> Right. Almost backed.
Oct 07 19:34:42 <orbarron> Stskeeps: Nice to know.
Oct 07 19:35:20 <Stskeeps> anyway, i gotta get some rest before the summit
Oct 07 19:35:25 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: That's a Mer screenshot?!
Oct 07 19:35:32 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: ignore the background but yeah
Oct 07 19:35:36 <Jaffa> Using fvwm or hildon?
Oct 07 19:35:42 <Stskeeps> fremantle-desktop on sw rendering
Oct 07 19:35:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 07 19:35:46 <Jaffa> Cool
Oct 07 19:36:01 <Stskeeps> the pieces for a full desktop are out there now so
Oct 07 19:36:02 <orbarron> thank again for the info...
Oct 07 19:36:14 <Stskeeps> orbarron: and feel free to prod me with any questions :)
Oct 07 19:36:18 <wazd> Sad to realise that all my ideas were dumped :)
Oct 07 19:36:45 <Stskeeps> wazd: nah, we'll probably need creative solutions for Plain, and your theme/background/icons
Oct 07 19:36:57 <Stskeeps> wazd: we'll have an edition for less capable devices as well
Oct 07 19:37:17 <wazd> Stskeeps: tamagochi? :D
Oct 07 19:37:20 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: we can even run desktop widgets and status area
Oct 07 19:37:26 <Jaffa> Woohoo
Oct 07 19:37:35 <Stskeeps> but it's awesomely slow right now :/
Oct 07 19:37:41 <qwerty12_N810> wazd: But I thought you were an Nokia employee?! That Eldar bastard...
Oct 07 19:37:48 <qwerty12_N810> *a
Oct 07 19:38:02 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, when you're using mpd, it decodes audio on cpu. the only way to use dsp for decoding is install nokia gstreamer binary plugin and output sound via gstreamer.
Oct 07 19:40:38 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: application -> pcm -> dsp task -> sound.
Oct 07 19:41:08 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, yeah. mp3 decoding is done before pcm
Oct 07 19:42:03 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, but you can get application -> gstreamer -> dsp  decoding task -> sound. with decoding done by dsp task
Oct 07 19:43:05 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, the benefit is less used main cpu
Oct 07 19:43:50 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: shouldn't be a problem, to write a mp3 or ogg decoder, if anybody wants it.
Oct 07 19:45:20 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, not very easy. gcc doesn't support c55x dsp cpu, so the only usable thing is closed TI windows (ouch!) sdk
Oct 07 19:45:47 <derf> No, there's also a closed Linux compiler.
Oct 07 19:45:53 <derf> It just doesn't work very well.
Oct 07 19:46:01 <slonopotamus_> prooflink?
Oct 07 19:46:17 <derf> And comes with next to no documentation.
Oct 07 19:46:28 <derf> Gekk if I know, I downloaded it like 2 years ago.
Oct 07 19:46:47 <derf> Ask lardman.
Oct 07 19:47:09 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, besides, there's some kind of 'kernel' that is loaded into dsp, that is closed and that all existing dsp tasks make use of. so you either need to use it too or you can't u e existing tasks.
Oct 07 19:48:09 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: and the chip developer never learn to open it all!
Oct 07 19:49:20 <slonopotamus_> johnsQ, as i understood, hardware itself is documented. at least gcc has c54 support (which is just a previous version before c55)
Oct 07 19:49:21 <johnsQ> slonopotamus_: all to much work, until you have figured it out how it works it is outdated.
Oct 07 19:49:22 <luke-jr_> slonopotamus_: ever get X.org 7.5 built?
Oct 07 19:49:58 <slonopotamus_> luke-jr_, dunno. xorg-server-1.7?
Oct 07 19:50:12 <slonopotamus_> luke-jr_, haven't tried yet
Oct 07 19:50:13 <luke-jr_> slonopotamus_: yes..
Oct 07 19:50:14 <luke-jr_> o
Oct 07 19:50:18 <luke-jr_> I'm keywording it now
Oct 07 19:50:30 <luke-jr_> want the keyword file when I'm done?
Oct 07 19:51:42 <slonopotamus_> no, not important
Oct 07 19:51:48 <luke-jr_> ...
Oct 07 19:53:18 <slonopotamus_> luke-jr_, what?
Oct 07 19:53:42 <luke-jr_> slonopotamus_: ACCEPT_LICENSES="-* @LUKEDASHJR" <.<
Oct 07 19:54:01 <slonopotamus_> hehe :)
Oct 07 19:54:20 <slonopotamus_> you made up your own licence?
Oct 07 19:59:02 <luke-jr_> no
Oct 07 19:59:05 <luke-jr_> it's a license group
Oct 07 19:59:17 <luke-jr_> includes all free licenses I have actually read over
Oct 07 19:59:41 <wazd> Stskeeps: can you show some more shots with my theme?
Oct 07 20:00:03 <Stskeeps> wazd: after summit gladly
Oct 07 20:00:10 <wazd> Stskeeps: ah :(
Oct 07 20:03:12 <Shapeshifter> I want to use curl in my app on maemo5 but it doesn't seem to work. I have #include <curl/curl.h> at the top, and later I do CURL *curl; curl = curl_easy_init(); but this raises: "myapp..c:(.text+0x705): undefined reference to `curl_easy_init'"
Oct 07 20:03:17 <Shapeshifter> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Oct 07 20:03:46 <johnsQ> Shapeshifter: have you linked curl?
Oct 07 20:03:57 <Shapeshifter> johnsQ: oh right... linking. ;) thanks
Oct 07 20:04:19 <johnsQ> Shapeshifter: pkg-config --libs libcurl
Oct 07 20:04:53 <Shapeshifter> johnsQ: thanks
Oct 07 20:07:53 <aSIMULAter> yay i'm all packed
Oct 07 20:12:35 * Proteous hands aSIMULAter a laxative
Oct 07 20:13:30 <aSIMULAter> big dump phew
Oct 07 20:14:57 <jaska> jettison warpcore
Oct 07 20:21:14 <wazd> omg, console arcades wallpapers attack! :D
Oct 07 20:21:19 <GeneralAntilles> !!!
Oct 07 20:21:43 <wazd> let's port every level of SMB! :D
Oct 07 20:26:47 <Proteous> console arcade wallpaper?
Oct 07 20:27:05 <GeneralAntilles> http://n900wallpapers.com/browse
Oct 07 20:28:20 <Proteous> nice
Oct 07 20:31:58 <Firebird> surprisingly, most of the landscape wallpapers aren't panoramic packs
Oct 07 20:35:28 <GeneralAntilles> Need to get the panos packaged up.
Oct 07 20:39:09 <pupnik> ukki ?
Oct 07 20:39:22 <Shapeshifter> until now I was able to ctrl-c in the window where I run-standalone.sh'd my app to stop it. Now this signal doesn't seem to be caught anymore, it just prints ^C. any ideas how this might have come to be?
Oct 07 20:39:23 <Proteous> gppz?
Oct 07 20:39:35 <Macer> hm
Oct 07 20:40:03 <Proteous> KILL -9!
Oct 07 20:40:26 <Shapeshifter> Proteous: i can just press the X in my app, works. but I'm wondering why ctrl-c stopped working...
Oct 07 20:40:29 <Shapeshifter> the app is still fine
Oct 07 20:40:43 <Proteous> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4
Oct 07 20:41:31 <johnsQ> Shapeshifter: man signal, any signal handler turned SIG_INT = ^c off
Oct 07 20:43:27 <dneary> Don't know how, but I totally missed Gary's fundraising drive until today
Oct 07 20:50:16 * GeneralAntilles sighs.
Oct 07 20:50:27 <GeneralAntilles> The alarm just went off for my flight to Amsterdam.
Oct 07 20:50:39 <SpeedEvil> :/
Oct 07 20:50:55 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Did I miss anything?
Oct 07 20:51:08 * SpeedEvil stuffs GeneralAntilles in an insulated suitcase, and smuggles him on a refrigerated flight.
Oct 07 20:51:47 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, State Department screwed me over.
Oct 07 20:52:16 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: New passport too late?
Oct 07 20:52:59 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, the expedited 1-3 weeks passport processing with overnight shipping on both ends took 7 weeks and wasn't overnighted.
Oct 07 20:53:03 <javispedro> btw, anyone happen to know where the source to the "Choose background" hildon-desktop dialog would be in?
Oct 07 20:53:19 <GeneralAntilles> I might've been able to get it in time if they had shipped it overnight when they shipped it yesterday like they were supposed to. . . .
Oct 07 20:53:20 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: You guys and not having passports...
Oct 07 20:53:23 <xnt14> hmm
Oct 07 20:53:26 <xnt14> ~seen lcuk
Oct 07 20:53:28 <infobot> lcuk <i=lcuk@cpc3-oldh7-0-0-cust590.manc.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 56m 36s ago, saying: 'gnite folks'.
Oct 07 20:53:47 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, well, it costs about $140 to get a passport and most people use it maybe once or twice.
Oct 07 20:53:59 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, so there isn't much point to wasting the money.
Oct 07 20:54:14 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But you only knew that you were coming to this summit like.. last year?
Oct 07 20:54:42 <X-Fade> But anyway, that sucks.
Oct 07 20:54:50 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, it was within the standard processing timeframe
Oct 07 20:54:54 <GeneralAntilles> let alone the expedited one.
Oct 07 20:55:06 <X-Fade> We can get 'emergency' passports in a few days.
Oct 07 20:55:15 <X-Fade> Even the same day if you really want.
Oct 07 20:55:26 <SpeedEvil> For a new passport?
Oct 07 20:55:27 <GeneralAntilles> You can't get a second passport issued, unfortunately.
Oct 07 20:55:31 <SpeedEvil> I mean a first passport
Oct 07 20:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> Whatever, not really interested in hearing about how I should've done it.
Oct 07 20:55:44 <SpeedEvil> I know that there is no way of doing that in the UK.
Oct 07 20:56:19 <GeneralAntilles> I could've driven 8 hours down to Miami and had it done by them in 3 days.
Oct 07 20:56:39 <GeneralAntilles> But why would I have done that? 7 weeks is plenty of time for standard processing by mail and even more time for expedited.
Oct 07 20:57:07 <X-Fade> Hmm yeah, sucks big time.
Oct 07 21:01:02 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: hildon-home; src/hd-change-background-dialog.c
Oct 07 21:01:27 <javispedro> ah, hildon-home
Oct 07 21:01:30 <javispedro> they were split?
Oct 07 21:01:35 <javispedro> ta qwerty12_N810!
Oct 07 21:01:55 <qwerty12_N810> NP, being able to look at strings helps...
Oct 07 21:02:26 <Macer> hm
Oct 07 21:02:39 <Macer> i sure hope this touchbook isn't stuck with this "ai" default user
Oct 07 21:02:41 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, yes, thank goodness.
Oct 07 21:02:42 <Macer> that would suck
Oct 07 21:02:43 <Macer> heh
Oct 07 21:02:54 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, reinstall Ubuntu?
Oct 07 21:03:38 <Macer> reinstall ubuntu?
Oct 07 21:03:42 <Macer> it's running a modded angstrom
Oct 07 21:03:47 <Macer> i wanted to try out their stock stuff first
Oct 07 21:04:16 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Oct 07 21:04:20 <GeneralAntilles> Well, reinstall that. :P
Oct 07 21:04:22 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: so, it will read desktop files from /usr/share/backgrounds
Oct 07 21:04:28 <Macer> re-install it?
Oct 07 21:04:30 <Macer> haha
Oct 07 21:04:34 <Macer> i dn't think that would work out too well
Oct 07 21:04:46 <Macer> THERE'S ALWAYS MER!
Oct 07 21:04:50 <Macer> lol
Oct 07 21:05:21 <Macer> not to throw this out there. but the touchbook was announced some time in march and they already seem to have a pretty workable xfce interface running on an arm platform :)
Oct 07 21:05:36 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, excellent.
Oct 07 21:06:10 <GeneralAntilles> Macer, Ångstrom has been around for a long time.
Oct 07 21:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> Their upstream isn't filled with closed-source components that need replacing
Oct 07 21:06:42 <GeneralAntilles> and it's been stable for years.
Oct 07 21:07:05 <GeneralAntilles> Mer's upstream has lots of components that it needs to replace and has only just become stable, oh, yesterday. :P
Oct 07 21:07:12 <javispedro> Macer: measured battery life already ;)
Oct 07 21:07:14 <javispedro> ?
Oct 07 21:07:40 <Macer> javispedro: not yet
Oct 07 21:07:45 <Macer> it is still doing it's first charge
Oct 07 21:07:47 <Macer> takes a while
Oct 07 21:08:06 <Macer> like. when the batteries are low
Oct 07 21:08:17 <Macer> the screen blanks
Oct 07 21:08:37 <Macer> all on its own right in th emiddle of everything haha... it sucked.. i thought it was broken
Oct 07 21:08:39 <javispedro> uhuh
Oct 07 21:09:50 <Macer> the tablet interface kind of sucks
Oct 07 21:09:55 <Macer> it's not really an interface at all
Oct 07 21:10:05 <javispedro> :)
Oct 07 21:10:16 <javispedro> but as someone said here previously, "that's software" :)
Oct 07 21:12:12 <javispedro> Macer: also, having actually received an actual, existing, real, non vaperware OMAP3 device: be happy! :)
Oct 07 21:14:37 <GeneralAntilles> Archos has been shipping those since Summer 2008. ;)
Oct 07 21:15:19 <qwerty12_N810> I'd probably stick with OMAP2 before touching an Archos...
Oct 07 21:16:29 <GeneralAntilles> Well, yeah, but it's still an OMAP3 device. :P
Oct 07 21:16:33 <Macer> javispedro: hahaha
Oct 07 21:16:41 <Macer> they had me guessing there for a long time
Oct 07 21:17:04 <Macer> i thought i had been the proud preorder of an openpandora
Oct 07 21:17:07 <javispedro> :D
Oct 07 21:17:37 <Macer> too bad arm is still rather slow but that might be the ram limitation
Oct 07 21:17:52 <Macer> ff getrs murdered by gmail heh
Oct 07 21:17:53 <javispedro> I see it has 256MiB.
Oct 07 21:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N810, we something to change the WiFi powersaving based on power source.
Oct 07 21:20:30 <qwerty12_N810> Easily implemented (even for me)
Oct 07 21:20:43 <GeneralAntilles> Hooray dbus!
Oct 07 21:21:04 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, is the battery applet still the one throwing the stupid charger banner?
Oct 07 21:23:12 <qwerty12_N810> Ja
Oct 07 21:23:30 <GeneralAntilles> Damn
Oct 07 21:23:34 <GeneralAntilles> Need an advanced power again, I guess.
Oct 07 21:23:43 <javispedro> "Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8 and definitely Windows 9. "
Oct 07 21:23:50 <javispedro> IA-128 *giggles*
Oct 07 21:24:07 <Flyser> wtf?!
Oct 07 21:24:18 <qwerty12_N810> That message is easily changed, too. Suddenly, a Diablo Community SSU seems fun...
Oct 07 21:25:20 <microlith> lol IA-128
Oct 07 21:25:43 <xnt14> xD
Oct 07 21:26:11 <coldboot> Is there an easy way to get iotop on the nokia?
Oct 07 21:26:31 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N810, we need to link it to the Bugzilla quip database. :D
Oct 07 21:26:34 <xnt14> coldboot, try compiling it?
Oct 07 21:26:40 <javispedro> haha.
Oct 07 21:27:05 <qwerty12_N810> GeneralAntilles: I avoid Bugzilla as much as possible, so I leave that as a task for you :P
Oct 07 21:27:26 <GeneralAntilles> usuk
Oct 07 21:27:40 <xnt14> trac ftw.
Oct 07 21:27:40 <javispedro> "Low battery. We are haskell. mutation is futile. you will be lifted."
Oct 07 21:27:42 <coldboot> xnt14: Scratchbox is missing /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_curses.so, along with a ton of other things.
Oct 07 21:27:46 <qwerty12_N810> and very well, might I add
Oct 07 21:27:57 <xnt14> coldboot, hmm
Oct 07 21:28:17 * GeneralAntilles never managed to like Trac.
Oct 07 21:28:18 <coldboot> Yeah every time I want to add something to Maemo, I run into these annoying problems.
Oct 07 21:28:27 <GeneralAntilles> Bugzilla has its warts, but I'm used to it.
Oct 07 21:28:49 * javispedro is happy enough with garage's tracker. but I admit it sends horribly formated emails.
Oct 07 21:29:00 <GeneralAntilles> coldboot, such are the limitations of a mobile operating system. It doesn't ship with the kitchen sink. ;)
Oct 07 21:29:08 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, :shudder:
Oct 07 21:29:12 <GeneralAntilles> GForge is the devil.
Oct 07 21:29:25 <xnt14> GeneralAntilles, well, I may just hack up my own bug tracking sw from my old sc sourcecode
Oct 07 21:29:39 <GeneralAntilles> I'm still planning on having the Garage Tracker nuked from orbit at some point.
Oct 07 21:29:47 <xnt14> hmm
Oct 07 21:29:59 * xnt14 goes back to work on his webui set
Oct 07 21:30:01 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Did the Google Street View car run over someone's dog this morning? lol
Oct 07 21:30:24 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, you didn't migration the Canola issues to Bugzilla. :P
Oct 07 21:30:29 <GeneralAntilles> s/migration/migrate/
Oct 07 21:30:30 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: zerojay, you didn't migrate the Canola issues to Bugzilla. :P
Oct 07 21:30:38 <GeneralAntilles> Is there any good project management software that integrates with bugzilla?
Oct 07 21:30:50 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Whaaaa?
Oct 07 21:31:04 <qwerty12_N810> GeneralAntilles: No, because Bugzilla sucks and is anal enough on its own
Oct 07 21:31:10 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, which thing?
Oct 07 21:31:23 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Never mind, I'm just plain confused now. :)
Oct 07 21:31:45 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, GForge sucks
Oct 07 21:31:52 <coldboot> GeneralAntilles: Which is understandable, but it seems Maemo has overridden Python's own "Batteries Included" mantra.
Oct 07 21:31:52 <javispedro> GForge sucks, Bugzilla sucks, cmon.
Oct 07 21:32:08 <GeneralAntilles> Seemingly we're slowly migrating everything away from it.
Oct 07 21:32:12 <zerojay> What the fuck... I'm not talking about GForge or anything else... lol.
Oct 07 21:32:16 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: Trac sucks, too
Oct 07 21:32:19 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, I am, though.
Oct 07 21:32:31 * javispedro 's next garage project will request bugs to me mailed to his home.
Oct 07 21:32:38 <zerojay> Testopia is good for QA and integrates into Bugzilla.
Oct 07 21:32:40 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, was the dog bit directed at the nukes-from-orbit comment or something else? :D
Oct 07 21:32:40 <Shapeshifter> flyspray!
Oct 07 21:32:53 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: TMO anti-Google post. ;)
Oct 07 21:33:07 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, you didn't see it?
Oct 07 21:33:13 <javispedro> ah yes.
Oct 07 21:33:13 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: Good, I'll be sure to file a ton of uselss bugs then!
Oct 07 21:33:15 <GeneralAntilles> Wait, you posted in it.
Oct 07 21:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> Now I'm confused.
Oct 07 21:33:21 <zerojay> I was the first person to post on it. lol
Oct 07 21:33:27 <zerojay> Maybe second.
Oct 07 21:33:35 <javispedro> that post rules.
Oct 07 21:33:51 <zerojay> I'm just wondering what makes Google so evil. Is it that they are popular or... did the Street View car run over his dog or what?
Oct 07 21:34:03 <javispedro> I need to ask there why Nokia is contributing to ARM's monopoly on embedded systems!!! </irony>
Oct 07 21:34:07 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, haha, it all becomes clear now.
Oct 07 21:34:14 <qwerty12_N810> zerojay: Google is Skynet
Oct 07 21:34:15 <GeneralAntilles> Well, honestly, I'm partially agreed with him.
Oct 07 21:34:18 <GeneralAntilles> Google is pretty evil.
Oct 07 21:34:24 <javispedro> yes.
Oct 07 21:34:35 <GeneralAntilles> The whole "Do no evil" thing just didn't pan out.
Oct 07 21:34:37 <javispedro> just wait until you notice you need to send all your search results and calendar to Nokia.
Oct 07 21:35:00 <microlith> google isn't pretty evil
Oct 07 21:35:03 <zerojay> The one and only problem I have with Google is that people at work are using GDocs for shit that is supposed to be 100% internal.. and that's not even Google's fault.
Oct 07 21:35:11 <microlith> in fact they aren't very evil
Oct 07 21:35:14 <frewsxcv> can i install chinook applications on os 2007?
Oct 07 21:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> Pure evil?
Oct 07 21:35:29 <microlith> for evil, I give you Monsanto
Oct 07 21:35:37 <zerojay> When they actually DO some evil, fine... but I haven't seen that evil yet.
Oct 07 21:35:51 <zerojay> Extras-devel just go down AGAIN?
Oct 07 21:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, the whole Chinese search thing was pretty bad.
Oct 07 21:36:02 <javispedro> why people keep on asking SDK on Windows, SDK on Mac, SDK on Linux PPC, when the SDK has even problems running in anything not x86 Debian Lenny?
Oct 07 21:36:04 <Proteous> sorry, I tripped on teh power cord again
Oct 07 21:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> Then there's Android's whole open-but-not
Oct 07 21:36:22 <microlith> err
Oct 07 21:36:24 <GeneralAntilles> finally the ad-sense and privacy issues.
Oct 07 21:36:28 <zerojay> Android doesn't make them evil.
Oct 07 21:36:30 <microlith> android's pretty much open
Oct 07 21:36:34 <GeneralAntilles> But not.
Oct 07 21:36:37 <microlith> how not?
Oct 07 21:36:41 <zerojay> Even if it's not all that open.
Oct 07 21:36:42 <GeneralAntilles> Their governance model is not open.
Oct 07 21:37:11 <GeneralAntilles> Can you install Debian on a G1 without circumventing stuff?
Oct 07 21:37:22 <microlith> why not?
Oct 07 21:37:51 <zerojay> I can't even really blame them for the China thing... it's just a fact of life. If you want access to that huge population, you have to play by China's rules. It's complete bullshit... but not many companies can go ignoring 1/6th of the entire planet... so... meh... it's more a bad situation than evil.
Oct 07 21:38:04 <zerojay> Evil on China's part.
Oct 07 21:38:05 <microlith> you'll have to transition the closed qualcomm modules, but even google has to work around that
Oct 07 21:39:24 <GeneralAntilles> The thing that really bothers me is how big of a slice of the open source community Android and webOS are sucking up into platforms that are long-term dead-ends.
Oct 07 21:39:38 <microlith> webOS maybe
Oct 07 21:39:43 * Mousey perks up
Oct 07 21:39:46 <microlith> since it's tied to Palm
Oct 07 21:39:47 <Mousey> how is webos a dead end?
Oct 07 21:39:51 <Mousey> oh
Oct 07 21:40:03 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Agreed... at least on the Android part. I don't know enough about Webos to comment.
Oct 07 21:40:12 <kynky> im guessing the sdk would run fine in a vm running debian x86 ?
Oct 07 21:40:14 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: fortunately, that hasn't happened. the iPhone has comparatively a greater chunk of the "OSS comunity".
Oct 07 21:40:27 <Mousey> i've abandoned openmoko and maemo for webos
Oct 07 21:40:33 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, iPhone, too, but at least it isn't being billed as "open".
Oct 07 21:40:36 <javispedro> kynky: yes. in fact, the plan is to distribute that.
Oct 07 21:40:36 <microlith> android's on at least 3 device makers phones now, which means it's at least building intertia
Oct 07 21:40:47 <microlith> openmoko was never good
Oct 07 21:40:50 <zerojay> Mousey: Then GTFO! lol ;)
Oct 07 21:40:51 <Mousey> true
Oct 07 21:41:05 <frewsxcv> can i install chinook applications on os 2007?
Oct 07 21:41:07 <Mousey> zerojay: hehe. i've only abandoned maemo til i get another n810
Oct 07 21:41:09 <Mousey> then i'll be back
Oct 07 21:41:11 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, that's the problem, it's building inertia behind a platform that's not really open.
Oct 07 21:41:11 <Mousey> ^_^
Oct 07 21:41:13 <wazd> apps as HTML pages? :)
Oct 07 21:41:33 <zerojay> wazd: Same thing as iPhone started with, isn't it?
Oct 07 21:41:34 <Mousey> i didn't reall abandon maemo. it abandoned ME
Oct 07 21:41:38 <kynky> ajax at least ?
Oct 07 21:41:44 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, we'd be much better off in the long term building that inertia behind a platform that has a chance of becoming generic.
Oct 07 21:41:57 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, iPhone was always Objective-C.
Oct 07 21:41:59 <microlith> GeneralAntilles: would you prefer they back a totally closed system like Winmo, or a non-existent fully open platform?
Oct 07 21:42:00 <Mousey> agrees maemo has a chance of becoming generic
Oct 07 21:42:14 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: No, it wasn't.
Oct 07 21:42:20 <wazd> kynky: you don't really know what AJAX is, aren't you? :)
Oct 07 21:42:32 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Back when the iPhone first launched, remember? :)
Oct 07 21:42:41 <kynky> wazd, i do it for my job
Oct 07 21:42:59 <Mousey> its just a shame the n900 turned out to be a phone
Oct 07 21:43:01 <wazd> kynky: how does it supposed to help local app then?
Oct 07 21:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, there wasn't an AppStore.
Oct 07 21:43:07 <Mousey> i'm genuinely disappointed =(
Oct 07 21:43:15 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, so you switch to . . . webOS?
Oct 07 21:43:17 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Oct 07 21:43:21 <Mousey> GeneralAntilles: no!!
Oct 07 21:43:26 <qwerty12_N810> Mousey: erm, you're buying a webos device
Oct 07 21:43:39 <Mousey> GeneralAntilles: i haven't been active lately in this channel cuz i'm saving my pennies for another n810!
Oct 07 21:43:41 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, at least if they were getting behind WinMob it wouldn't be because it's open.
Oct 07 21:43:46 <kynky> wazd thought you meant do apps as just html, was thing with ajaz, just makes em more dynamic, bt prob got wrong end of stick, was thinking web apps
Oct 07 21:43:49 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: True, there wasn't an app store back then, but Apple claimed they were "making apps". lol
Oct 07 21:43:51 <Mousey> but the way i see it, the n810 and the Pre will be the ULTIMATE combination1
Oct 07 21:43:53 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, people are getting behind Android because they think it's open, but it's not.
Oct 07 21:44:19 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, why not just get an N900 and cut your costs down a bit? :\
Oct 07 21:44:35 <microlith> GeneralAntilles: at least android has the potential to become more open. Or you could end up like openmoko where you're so open the constant chaos makes it unusable
Oct 07 21:44:37 <Mousey> because I want a Tablet, not a phone
Oct 07 21:44:50 <kynky> dont put a sim card in ?
Oct 07 21:44:51 <Mousey> the n810 is by far the most perfect tablet pc i've ever found..
Oct 07 21:44:52 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, fales dichotomy.
Oct 07 21:44:53 <Mousey> and i've looked
Oct 07 21:44:58 <Mousey> the n900 is sMALLER
Oct 07 21:45:04 <Mousey> and worse keyboard
Oct 07 21:45:14 <Mousey> it's a total 1stepforward2stepsback
Oct 07 21:45:25 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, so you think Google is going to let people run $RANDOM C applications?
Oct 07 21:45:28 <Mousey> the n810 is the sweetspot
Oct 07 21:45:36 <microlith> aren't they already?
Oct 07 21:45:38 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, worse keyboard?
Oct 07 21:45:40 <wazd> kynky: well, they do javascript, yes
Oct 07 21:45:45 <microlith> I believe that was part of one of the newer SDK releases, no?
Oct 07 21:45:56 <wazd> n900 is a phone -> let's go to WebOS
Oct 07 21:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, dunno, can I run XChat on Android with a recompile?
Oct 07 21:45:59 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, according to whom?
Oct 07 21:46:01 <Mousey> plus the Pre's a linux box like any wrt54g or nslu2
Oct 07 21:46:07 <wazd> solid logic :D
Oct 07 21:46:07 <Mousey> according to my fingers?
Oct 07 21:46:11 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, and let me tell you, you don't notice the screen size difference.
Oct 07 21:46:27 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, erm, you can install Debian on the Pre?
Oct 07 21:46:31 <microlith> GeneralAntilles: no, but that's mainly because it's not using X or GTK, not part of it being closed.
Oct 07 21:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, oh, you've used one?
Oct 07 21:46:38 <Mousey> GeneralAntilles: eventually you can
Oct 07 21:46:45 <Mousey> GeneralAntilles: it's pretty frickin' generic hardware
Oct 07 21:46:47 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, depends on your definition of "closed".
Oct 07 21:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, OK, good luck with that.
Oct 07 21:46:58 <kynky> if resolution is there,you can use manual zoom, hold device nearer to eyes ? like kyrton does in red dwarf when he becomes human
Oct 07 21:47:05 <Mousey> in fact, there's a whole thing about getting aother OS on the pre as soon as the GSM ver is out
Oct 07 21:47:25 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, mine requires a certain sort of governance model (which Android doesn't, and likely will never, have) and a certain genericness in the platform.
Oct 07 21:47:26 <microlith> "source unavailable, changes not permitted by the end-user whatsoever"
Oct 07 21:47:29 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: What do ya think? http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay
Oct 07 21:47:55 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, both of which Android fails.
Oct 07 21:48:04 <Mousey> i maintain that the Nokia810 and Palm Pre will be the ultimate in discreet mobile computing
Oct 07 21:48:20 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, clearly I'm not going to convince you, and thankfully you're not one of the people that needs convincing.
Oct 07 21:48:24 <Mousey> Nokia n810, even
Oct 07 21:48:36 <Mousey> hell, they're even binary compatiblr
Oct 07 21:48:37 <Mousey> r=e
Oct 07 21:48:40 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, why don't you try an N900 before you decide that?
Oct 07 21:48:43 <zerojay> Mousey: Use the N900 first. The screen and keyboard are BETTER than my beloved N810.
Oct 07 21:48:50 <Mousey> i have! i don't need two phones!
Oct 07 21:48:53 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, oh, you can run webOS binaries on the N900?
Oct 07 21:49:02 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, where'd you try the N900?
Oct 07 21:49:03 <Mousey> they're just arm linux binaries
Oct 07 21:49:11 <Mousey> oh, i guess i haven't
Oct 07 21:49:25 <Mousey> i'm looking at the keyboard now
Oct 07 21:49:26 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, and you have webOS binaries on Maemo?
Oct 07 21:49:28 <Mousey> and i'm left handed
Oct 07 21:49:28 <Flyser> webos apps aren't binarys
Oct 07 21:49:29 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting.
Oct 07 21:49:30 <coldboot> I can't even install Python setuptools
Oct 07 21:49:32 <Mousey> and that space bar is already messing me up
Oct 07 21:49:34 <kynky> thougt the n900 was a mid, it just happens to support phone operations, like saying having a 5mp camera,just extras
Oct 07 21:49:41 <Mousey> its a phone
Oct 07 21:49:47 <microlith> GeneralAntilles: err, last I checked the sources for everything but the qualcomm hardware was available, unless that's just hocus pocus in the repositories we have here...
Oct 07 21:49:52 <zerojay> Mousey: You're actually able to hit it solidly with one finger instead of awkwardly with both.
Oct 07 21:50:08 <GeneralAntilles> microlith, open source does not make a platform open.
Oct 07 21:50:16 <Mousey> well i don't mean to sound entirely skeptical
Oct 07 21:50:23 <Mousey> i've been in here a long time, i love the n810
Oct 07 21:50:45 <GeneralAntilles> Where is that article that came out a few months ago about open source governance models?
Oct 07 21:51:13 <Mousey> i'm just sad its a phone too, that's hardware i'll never use, means i'll never be able to just buy one, it'll be sold in america from GSM carriers who will NOT sell you just the hardware. unless i can get it from nokia, but i'm still paying for a useless radio
Oct 07 21:51:14 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, here we go: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2009/08/open-is-the-new-closed/
Oct 07 21:51:17 <GeneralAntilles> microlith ^
Oct 07 21:51:37 <Mousey> i like debs better than ipkgs
Oct 07 21:51:38 * microlith looks
Oct 07 21:51:39 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, it wont be subsidized in the US.
Oct 07 21:51:57 <kynky> thought it better to hav 3g in the phone, rather than a dongle, like having wifi built in, without needing a wifi dongle
Oct 07 21:51:58 <zerojay> Mousey: GSM radios cost almost nothing.
Oct 07 21:52:06 <Mousey> i'm still getting an n810. but i'll look at the n900, to be sure
Oct 07 21:52:21 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, I recommend you try the N900 before you pass final judgement.
Oct 07 21:52:24 <Mousey> maybe, but that real estate on the PCB coulda been used for something i might use
Oct 07 21:52:28 <GeneralAntilles> Mousey, screenshots and pictures don't tell you anything.
Oct 07 21:52:31 <javispedro> bah, we need now an automated web app where you upload the SNES ROM and it automatically plays through all the levels, taking screenshots, and then releases a load of .deb files with backgrounds.
Oct 07 21:52:37 <Mousey> tells me they don't care about lefties ;)
Oct 07 21:52:55 <zerojay> javispedro: I've released six so far. I've used other people's maps.
Oct 07 21:53:20 <javispedro> zerojay: just joking, no criticism intended :)
Oct 07 21:53:35 <javispedro> they're very good.
Oct 07 21:53:42 <zerojay> Actually, can someone help me out with packaging up these gaming backgrounds so we can add them to.... well... could they even be in Extras?
Oct 07 21:53:50 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: Stop being lazy. We'll just ask you to play the game for us and run dh_make
Oct 07 21:53:52 <Shapeshifter> Do I need to do something special to have the scratchbox maemo have an internet connection? I'm writing an app that uses curl and curl reports "couldn't resolve hostname" when I try to use it.
Oct 07 21:54:10 <zerojay> javispedro: I know none was intended. I had to edit them some to make it work seamlessly though.
Oct 07 21:54:22 <Shapeshifter> although clearly, apt-get update works, so it has a connection
Oct 07 21:54:24 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, only issue might be copyright on the images.
Oct 07 21:54:33 <Shapeshifter> do I need to give the app clearance of sort or something?
Oct 07 21:55:03 <wjt> zerojay: where're you releasing them?
Oct 07 21:55:14 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, and clutter, but hopefully h-a-m's browsing capabilities will be improving.
Oct 07 21:55:48 <zerojay> wjt: For the moment, they are here: http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay
Oct 07 21:56:06 <kynky> how do you do middle and second mouse button emulation ? or not possible on n900
Oct 07 21:56:11 <zerojay> wjt: But that doesn't include the .desktop file to set them up as Image Sets... which I already have as well.
Oct 07 21:56:26 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Might it fall under fair use?
Oct 07 21:56:37 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, dunno.
Oct 07 21:56:52 <zerojay> wjt: What's new with the telepathy-extras? Got a changelog somewheres?
Oct 07 21:56:55 <Captain_Picard> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1254935636
Oct 07 21:57:08 <GAN800> kynky, long press for right click.
Oct 07 21:57:25 <kynky> GAN800, cheers
Oct 07 21:57:49 <Captain_Picard> seriously when is this n900 going to be released
Oct 07 21:57:56 <Captain_Picard> i dont want to wait any longer
Oct 07 21:58:05 <GAN800> kynky, no middle click, though you're more than welcome to implement you own method.
Oct 07 21:58:07 <kynky> oct 26th from nokia ship in uk
Oct 07 21:58:17 <qwerty12_N810> Captain_Picard: They've already released it, but they forgot to tell you
Oct 07 21:58:31 <Captain_Picard> 26:th :O
Oct 07 21:58:32 <GAN800> Captain_Picard, soon, I'd say.
Oct 07 21:58:35 <Captain_Picard> thats so faaar ahead
Oct 07 21:58:49 <Captain_Picard> couldnt they just say november
Oct 07 21:58:51 <Captain_Picard> :(
Oct 07 21:59:14 <zerojay> It's out when it's out. Sorry.
Oct 07 21:59:44 <kynky> amazon uk got it for £470 , but thinking of getting it subsidised with t-mobile , web n walk package £25/month unlimited inet, £50 for handset , 200xnet minutes/200 texts, that released on nov 1st
Oct 07 21:59:45 <coldboot> Does anyone know why the "curses" package is deprecated in python for maemo?
Oct 07 21:59:53 <Captain_Picard> says the people who have n900 already prototype in use
Oct 07 22:00:01 <Captain_Picard> damn developers!
Oct 07 22:00:43 <kynky> make it so
Oct 07 22:01:10 <wazd> zerojay: ah, it's you who's attacking with console wallpapers :P
Oct 07 22:01:22 <zerojay> MUHAHAHA.
Oct 07 22:01:24 <wjt> zerojay: presumably the packages themselves have a changelog? I haven't really been keeping up I'm afraid
Oct 07 22:01:33 <zerojay> wjt: Okay, no biggie.
Oct 07 22:01:46 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Looks like the wallpapers fall under fair use, so we should be okay.
Oct 07 22:01:49 <wazd> zerojay: I'd suggest Sega/Snes games
Oct 07 22:01:55 <kynky> GAN800, i guess a mini bt mouse would work ?
Oct 07 22:02:04 <qwerty12_N810> Streets of Rage FTW
Oct 07 22:02:10 <zerojay> wazd: Yeah, problem is that it's hard to get a long horzontal section that works.
Oct 07 22:02:21 <wazd> zerojay: use emulators/PS
Oct 07 22:02:22 <zerojay> qwerty12_N810: I almost did one today.
Oct 07 22:02:30 <Captain_Picard> zerojay: are you going to make .deb package of all the wallpapers
Oct 07 22:02:45 <wazd> zerojay: znes for example can enable/disable sprite layers
Oct 07 22:02:50 <zerojay> wazd: No, you're not understanding me. The games don't HAVE long horizontal sections long enough for the wallpaper at the right ratio. :)
Oct 07 22:03:02 <wazd> zerojay: noway :)
Oct 07 22:03:03 <zerojay> Captain_Picard: Planning on it.
Oct 07 22:03:04 <qwerty12_N810> zerojay: If you get one done, I'll package it and consider you as a hero
Oct 07 22:03:11 <zerojay> wazd: Seriously.
Oct 07 22:03:12 <wazd> zerojay: most arcades are sidescrollers :D
Oct 07 22:03:13 * wjt would less-than-three some Sonic 3 wallpaper
Oct 07 22:03:18 <GeneralAntilles> kynky, yeah, it should, It's just Xorg in Fremantle.
Oct 07 22:04:16 <zerojay> wazd: The problem isn't simply just the horizontal sections... it's lining them up so that they are continuous.
Oct 07 22:04:23 <zerojay> That's the major problem with Sonic.
Oct 07 22:04:52 <wazd> check it out :)
Oct 07 22:04:53 <zerojay> You want the end of screenshot 4 to match up to the start of screenshot 1.
Oct 07 22:05:10 <Shapeshifter> no ideass why curl can't resolve hostnames in my scratchbox?
Oct 07 22:05:15 <wjt> might have to be some judicious editing
Oct 07 22:05:21 <wazd> choose your sonic :)
Oct 07 22:05:27 <wazd> I'd choose 3
Oct 07 22:05:38 <zerojay> I made some changes to the Contra wallpaper to match... but yeah... it's going to take some editing. Still, I fired off those six quickly while at work today.
Oct 07 22:06:02 <zerojay> qwerty12_N810: Think starting with six is okay for a first release then?
Oct 07 22:06:08 <xiph> hi guys
Oct 07 22:06:15 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, is clearly the man for the job.
Oct 07 22:06:25 <qwerty12_N810> Shapeshifter: look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and the targets' /etc/resolv.conf
Oct 07 22:06:34 <xiph> can anyone help me with the sdk? got it up and running, but I am missing some applications
Oct 07 22:06:40 <zerojay> wazd: Good luck finding a place in Sonic 3 that's horizontal enough to work. :)
Oct 07 22:06:41 <qwerty12_N810> zerojay: Sure
Oct 07 22:07:24 <zerojay> qwerty12_N810: Okay. Let me just eat real quick and I'll send you what you'll need for packaging then.
Oct 07 22:07:46 <xiph> only got App manager, Settings and More
Oct 07 22:07:46 <GAN800> Pics or it didn't happen!
Oct 07 22:07:53 <zerojay> lol
Oct 07 22:07:57 <qwerty12_N810> zerojay: It's 11:07 PM here and I'm not behind a computer, so I'll have to start tomorrow anyway :p
Oct 07 22:08:01 <zerojay> Okay, I'll continue the MAEMO EATS meme. ;)
Oct 07 22:08:09 <Shapeshifter> qwerty12_N810: thanks! fixing resolv.conf worked :)
Oct 07 22:08:20 <zerojay> qwerty12_N810: Okay. I'll send you an link to a zip with everything then?
Oct 07 22:08:28 <qwerty12_N810> zerojay: Sure
Oct 07 22:08:38 <qwerty12_N810> zerojay: trippin1@gmail.com
Oct 07 22:09:51 <xiph> Am I supposed to do something specific to get the Applications in the SDK?
Oct 07 22:10:06 <qwerty12_N810> xiph: add nokia-binari...
Oct 07 22:10:08 <qwerty12_N810> Yeah.
Oct 07 22:10:13 <frals> apt-get install nokia-apps nokia-binaries
Oct 07 22:10:20 <frals> oh right...
Oct 07 22:12:28 <xiph> lol, forgot that I've added shutdown -h in crontab at 00:10
Oct 07 22:12:43 <zerojay> GAN800: There! It happened! lol - http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3991444566/
Oct 07 22:13:31 <zerojay> lol, xiph
Oct 07 22:13:43 <xiph> as I said earlier, are there anything I can do to get the applications in the SDK?
Oct 07 22:14:16 <qwerty12_N810> xiph: add nokia-binaries repo and apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps
Oct 07 22:14:28 <xiph> been there done that
Oct 07 22:14:32 <xiph> the sdk stats up
Oct 07 22:14:43 <xiph> but, I got no applications/tasks
Oct 07 22:14:47 <xiph> *starts
Oct 07 22:15:27 <frals> made sure you installed them in the right target?
Oct 07 22:15:39 <frals> ie x86/arm
Oct 07 22:16:35 <xiph> yes, I think so. otherwise it wouldn't start at all? or?
Oct 07 22:17:24 * javispedro is stuuupid.
Oct 07 22:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, muhaha! http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3991455402/
Oct 07 22:17:45 <zerojay> lol
Oct 07 22:17:56 <zerojay> The N900 group has so many already. lol
Oct 07 22:19:18 <qwerty12_N810> You're doing this wrong. You need to make an image set that shows the food on the plate being eaten as the desktop is scrolled
Oct 07 22:19:36 <xnt14> yay, just finished the on-off toggle in webui! :) http://xceleo.org/.ui/
Oct 07 22:19:41 <xiph> http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1340/sdk.png
Oct 07 22:19:43 <xnt14> works flawlessly
Oct 07 22:19:43 <zerojay> lol
Oct 07 22:20:31 <xnt14> hmm, what next.....
Oct 07 22:20:36 <qwerty12_N810> xiph:... and you're sure you installed nokia-apps and nokia-binaries? Because it really does not look like it
Oct 07 22:21:19 <xiph> well, I'll try again
Oct 07 22:21:20 <xiph> brb
Oct 07 22:23:08 <xiph> think I missed the nokia-apps
Oct 07 22:23:48 <xiph> success :D
Oct 07 22:23:56 <xiph> thanks
Oct 07 22:27:07 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn Comcast
Oct 07 22:36:35 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: I'll see if the .desktop will allow hidden images to be used with the panoramic desktop so that they don't clutter up the user's Images app.
Oct 07 22:36:52 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, /usr/share/backgrounds/
Oct 07 22:37:24 <zerojay> Is that where the others are?
Oct 07 22:37:35 <GeneralAntilles> No, but apparently it'll read them from there.
Oct 07 22:37:41 <GeneralAntilles> The .desktops, I mean.
Oct 07 22:38:19 <zerojay> Oh, okay. I'll test it out.
Oct 07 22:38:35 <Shapeshifter> huh cool, "... is not responding, close it?"
Oct 07 22:38:38 <Shapeshifter> really neat
Oct 07 22:39:51 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Doesn't exist.
Oct 07 22:40:26 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro!
Oct 07 22:40:34 <javispedro> hiyo.
Oct 07 22:40:57 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, /usr/share/backgrounds/ ?
Oct 07 22:40:57 <javispedro> the default ones come with a theme
Oct 07 22:41:08 <javispedro> and those are in /usr/share/themes/*/backgrounds
Oct 07 22:41:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, I see.
Oct 07 22:41:14 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Oct 07 22:41:15 <zerojay> doh.
Oct 07 22:41:19 <javispedro> but I found the hildon-home enumerates also /usr/share/backgrounds/
Oct 07 22:41:35 <GeneralAntilles> Oh? So create the directory, then.
Oct 07 22:41:42 <zerojay> Yeah, seems to.
Oct 07 22:41:42 <javispedro> so I guess the latter is the home for the retrogaming backgrounds ;)
Oct 07 22:41:43 <javispedro> yes.
Oct 07 22:42:01 <zerojay> Should I put the images themselves there as well?
Oct 07 22:42:18 <javispedro> zerojay: guess it does not matter. Most .desktop files I've seen have full paths to the image files.
Oct 07 22:42:29 <zerojay> Mine too.
Oct 07 22:42:37 <zerojay> $HOME doesn't work in the path, btw.
Oct 07 22:42:42 <javispedro> so you could put them in /opt ....
Oct 07 22:43:06 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm, opt is good.
Oct 07 22:43:23 <zerojay> I haven't really looked into /opt yet... just /opt/backgrounds/ or /opt/usr/share/backgrounds/... ?
Oct 07 22:43:38 <javispedro> maemo-optimizer would put them in /opt/maemo/usr/share/backgrounds iirc.
Oct 07 22:43:41 <javispedro> err..
Oct 07 22:43:47 <javispedro> maemo-optifier
Oct 07 22:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> So just drop /maemo/
Oct 07 22:44:16 <zerojay> Everything in /opt is symlinked anyways, right?
Oct 07 22:44:35 <javispedro> zerojay: yes, but packages create the symlinks by themselves.
Oct 07 22:44:49 <javispedro> in this case, there's no need to, since you can make the .desktop files link to /opt already.
Oct 07 22:44:57 <javispedro> s/link/refer .
Oct 07 22:45:36 <zerojay> Okay.. so... .desktop files in /usr/share/backgrounds/ and the actual images in /opt/usr/share/backgrounds/... ?
Oct 07 22:45:47 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: sure they dropped /maemo?
Oct 07 22:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, they didn't for optify.
Oct 07 22:46:15 <zerojay> I have /opt/maemo on my tablet.
Oct 07 22:46:17 <GeneralAntilles> But I believe the plan is for packages to drop it and patch optify in the future.
Oct 07 22:46:33 <qwerty12_N810> /opt/<something>/usr/... appears to be the convention so far
Oct 07 22:46:45 <GeneralAntilles> However, I lost interest in the discussion on the mailing list about half-way, through, so. . . . :P
Oct 07 22:46:55 <javispedro> so /opt/maemo-backgrounds/<background-name>/actual_files.png ? :D
Oct 07 22:47:17 <zerojay> I hate you guys. lol
Oct 07 22:47:40 <zerojay> Alrighty... so...
Oct 07 22:47:50 <javispedro> zerojay: if you're the first to do you get the honor of deciding the policy ;)
Oct 07 22:48:13 <zerojay> javispedro: Sort of like the first caveman to try eating something new.
Oct 07 22:48:25 <zerojay> javispedro: "If it works, awesome.. if not... we'll name a cemetary after you."
Oct 07 22:48:38 <javispedro> there's an app for that, too.
Oct 07 22:48:53 <zerojay> Now you're getting the cemetary. :)
Oct 07 22:49:10 <zerojay> Alright.
Oct 07 22:49:14 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, just put them in /. :P
Oct 07 22:49:17 * zerojay big regal voice...
Oct 07 22:49:23 <zerojay> In the name of Maemo...
Oct 07 22:49:32 <javispedro> i'd put them in /dev/shm/.
Oct 07 22:49:41 * zerojay runs mkdir /opt/maemo-backgrounds/
Oct 07 22:49:47 <zerojay> And it was done.
Oct 07 22:49:48 <qwerty12_N810> I'd go for /var/tmp
Oct 07 22:50:21 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Oct 07 22:50:31 <zerojay> [19:25] [Error] dev/null: Unknown command. <-- oopsie. ;)
Oct 07 22:53:34 <qwerty12_N810> Actually, it would be cool if the Browser, when "opening files from the internet", would use /opt instead of /var/tmp...
Oct 07 22:54:32 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, the Thanks rate for sane posts has gone way down since all of the cool people are on planes. :D
Oct 07 22:55:57 <pupnik> thanks should have been for providing solutions or info
Oct 07 22:56:13 <pupnik> not "i agree with his opinion"
Oct 07 22:56:34 <qwerty12_N810> Well, it's that or 20 posts saying "+1"
Oct 07 22:56:45 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, what if the opinion is about a solution?
Oct 07 22:57:40 <javispedro> bah.
Oct 07 22:57:41 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, anyway, that's why Off Topic doesn't have Thanks.
Oct 07 22:57:43 <pupnik> then it should be thanked only if it provides a solution or useful info
Oct 07 22:57:52 <javispedro> the fscking epson printer is fscked up again.
Oct 07 22:58:03 <pupnik> my cups is hosed again
Oct 07 22:58:04 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, whatever.
Oct 07 22:58:07 <wazd> zerojay: http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0910/d0/ee8d733be97c.png
Oct 07 22:58:37 <pupnik> thanks now have no use as a measure of community contributions
Oct 07 22:58:42 <zerojay> wazd: Is that the proper aspect ratio?
Oct 07 22:58:45 <pupnik> is all
Oct 07 22:58:47 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: then stop fscking it
Oct 07 22:59:08 <wazd> zerojay: well, yeah, 2x native genesis
Oct 07 22:59:27 <zerojay> wazd: Looks alright, except you've got a wrapping issue on the grass on the far right and far left sides.
Oct 07 22:59:34 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, I'd disagree, but meh.
Oct 07 23:00:03 <zerojay> Well... might not be noticable anyways.
Oct 07 23:00:14 <pupnik> genesis?
Oct 07 23:00:21 <pupnik> show
Oct 07 23:00:34 <zerojay> wazd: Split it up and if you don't mind, I'll put it in this package if it tests out well.
Oct 07 23:00:58 <qwerty12_N810> s/genesis/megadrive/g
Oct 07 23:01:46 <wazd> zerojay: I don't get where's the issue :)
Oct 07 23:01:46 <pupnik> nice background
Oct 07 23:02:07 <pupnik> are you porting an emulator?
Oct 07 23:02:45 * pupnik tilts head to side listening to wind
Oct 07 23:02:48 <javispedro> nope, they're just doing cool backgrounds (AFAIK ;) )
Oct 07 23:02:58 <pupnik> acha
Oct 07 23:03:23 <javispedro> well, gnite all.
Oct 07 23:03:24 <zerojay> wazd: Split up the files, upload them.. I'll grab them and check them out and let you know if there really is an issue or not.
Oct 07 23:03:34 <javispedro> and don't let the tmo trolls eat after midnight.
Oct 07 23:03:45 <Shapeshifter> does someone know what signal gets emitted when gtk is done loading the ui for the first time? is there something like that? I want a function to be run as soon as the ui is loaded.
Oct 07 23:03:50 <qwerty12_N810> javispedro: see ya. Your printer will be relieved ;)
Oct 07 23:04:07 <javispedro> :) cy
Oct 07 23:11:43 <wazd> zerojay: where should I send them?
Oct 07 23:12:15 <zerojay> wazd: jay@zerojay.com
Oct 07 23:12:46 <zerojay> lol
Oct 07 23:13:11 <zerojay> Even with the images in /opt/maemo-backgrounds/metroid-brinstar/, they still show up in the Images app. lol
Oct 07 23:13:47 <qwerty12_N810> Nokia apps, usually, don't show hidden files
Oct 07 23:13:57 <zerojay> Yeah, trying that now.
Oct 07 23:14:11 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, Track. :\
Oct 07 23:14:21 <GeneralAntilles> er
Oct 07 23:14:23 <GeneralAntilles> Tracker
Oct 07 23:14:31 <GeneralAntilles> Wish it wouldn't index EVERYTHING
Oct 07 23:15:06 <qwerty12_N810> Yeah, man, I propose that /opt/porn is added to its blacklist by default
Oct 07 23:15:43 <zerojay> I changed the .desktop to include a file beginning with . and now it's listed at the top of the backgrounds list.
Oct 07 23:15:46 <zerojay> Uughhhh.
Oct 07 23:16:45 <zerojay> hmm.. seemed to be just temporary then.
Oct 07 23:16:58 <GeneralAntilles> Was it your background?
Oct 07 23:17:41 <zerojay> I had changed it before trying.
Oct 07 23:17:50 <GeneralAntilles> Weird
Oct 07 23:17:55 <zerojay> Alright, it's official... even .hidden files are seen by Images.
Oct 07 23:17:59 <pupnik> does N900 gps have a chance at being better than n810?
Oct 07 23:18:14 <zerojay> pupnik: It's got more than a chance. It just *IS* better.
Oct 07 23:18:19 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, of course, it's actually got a cellular radio to connect to.
Oct 07 23:18:32 <SpeedEvil> You don't need cellular for decent GPS.
Oct 07 23:18:36 <pupnik> withoujt radio active?
Oct 07 23:18:42 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, you do if it's AGPS.
Oct 07 23:18:47 <SpeedEvil> No, you don't.
Oct 07 23:18:50 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, it aint no MTK in there.
Oct 07 23:18:50 <zerojay> Even without radio active, it's better.
Oct 07 23:19:05 <SpeedEvil> AGPS degrades to normal GPS without an assistance connection.
Oct 07 23:19:06 <pupnik> cool
Oct 07 23:19:14 <SpeedEvil> (in the case of most devices anyway)
Oct 07 23:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, most cellular GPS chips don't do well without the A.
Oct 07 23:19:54 <pupnik> im amazed they work at all
Oct 07 23:20:02 <SpeedEvil> Sure - that's due to software and hardware qualities. You can make a good GPS, and then add the A.
Oct 07 23:20:20 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, sure, but that's not cheap.
Oct 07 23:20:21 <SpeedEvil> AGPS doesn't inherently mean a bad GPS without the A.
Oct 07 23:20:28 <mavhc> there's 34 different things that are called agps
Oct 07 23:20:30 <zerojay> Fuckin' A.
Oct 07 23:20:31 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Oct 07 23:20:32 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, I wasn't making a generic statement.
Oct 07 23:20:38 <SpeedEvil> it's a _huge_ umbrella term.
Oct 07 23:20:40 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, I was talking about the N810 and the N900.
Oct 07 23:20:46 <GeneralAntilles> So, whatever.
Oct 07 23:21:11 <SpeedEvil> Ok - I was just answering hte 'cellular radio' comment.
Oct 07 23:23:57 <Shapeshifter>  I don't understand how to do this: I have an app that needs to perform some curl stuff right at the start. I want this to either be accompanied by a loading animation or it should simply happen in the background as the first main window is shown. Problem is, that if I just put it before gtk_main() in the main function, it of course gets run before the window shows up so theres a 1 second delay until the curl command has finished. And I ...
Oct 07 23:24:03 <Shapeshifter> ... don't know where else to put it or else it wont run by itself. I can't find a signal for "window done loading" or something like that. Now, if I was to use a loading animation, how would I make it 1. load the animation and show it, 2. do the curl stuff, 3. show the main screen
Oct 07 23:25:00 <zerojay> Shapeshifter: What exactly are you trying to do with  your app? Perhaps we can find alternative ways of doing what you need if you explain it more.
Oct 07 23:25:45 <SpeedEvil> Shapeshifter: you can fork and have one process do the call, the other process display the UI, and then get a ping from the first process when it's done
Oct 07 23:25:50 <pupnik> maybe you can do a syscall to invoke curl first but include a sleep 2 in the syscall
Oct 07 23:26:02 <pupnik> or that
Oct 07 23:26:21 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, Talk.
Oct 07 23:26:43 <Shapeshifter> zerojay: well I just need to log in to a site using curl and save the cookie. Then in the main window there are a couple of buttons that send further http requests to a site using that cookie (as authentication) and do stuff on the page.
Oct 07 23:28:19 <zerojay> Shapeshifter: You should at least inform the user you're going to do that.
Oct 07 23:28:38 <Shapeshifter> zerojay: yeah, a loading animation at the start would be nice.
Oct 07 23:28:46 <Shapeshifter> with "logging in" below it.
Oct 07 23:29:00 <zerojay> Shapeshifter: You might want to look into how SharePy does it's authentication setup stuff. Not in the background without telling the user.
Oct 07 23:29:21 <GeneralAntilles> Shapeshifter, splash screens aren't used in Maemo.
Oct 07 23:29:40 <GeneralAntilles> Shapeshifter, hildon banner or you can put a little processing circle next to the app title.
Oct 07 23:29:42 <GeneralAntilles> For Fremantle
Oct 07 23:29:51 <Shapeshifter> mhm
Oct 07 23:30:29 <wazd> http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4241&d=1254534895 <- that's where UI guidelines fail :)
Oct 07 23:32:47 <zerojay> wazd: Okay, never mind what I said. It looks good on the device.
Oct 07 23:33:15 <zerojay> wazd: Can I package this with my six into that .deb? You might want to upload it to n900wallpapers.com yourself as well.
Oct 07 23:33:35 <wazd> zerojay: ah, do whatever you want :)
Oct 07 23:33:47 <zerojay> wazd: Sonic 3.. what level?
Oct 07 23:33:53 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, too bad the autobuilder is still dead. :(
Oct 07 23:34:03 <wazd> zerojay: first
Oct 07 23:34:08 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: I still have some arranging to do anyways.
Oct 07 23:34:21 <zerojay> wazd: Meant the level name, but that's okay.. I'll find it. :)
Oct 07 23:35:20 <wazd> zerojay: emerald valley
Oct 07 23:35:39 <wazd> oh no
Oct 07 23:35:44 <wazd> angel island :D
Oct 07 23:37:06 <zerojay> Yep, thanks.
Oct 07 23:44:20 <GeneralAntilles> WiFi with a router that's not falling apart is so much better.
Oct 07 23:44:32 <zerojay> wazd: I'll up them also to n900wallpapers if you haven't already (with credit, of course).
Oct 07 23:45:17 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Just might do that Excitebike background. Any particular level you'd like to see?
Oct 07 23:46:38 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, any that's visually interesting.
Oct 07 23:48:06 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/NES/index.htm#E
Oct 07 23:48:09 <zerojay> Take your pick.
Oct 07 23:49:36 <GeneralAntilles> End of track 1 or track 4 somewhere?
Oct 07 23:51:26 <zerojay> k
Oct 07 23:51:39 <zerojay> I'll take a crack at it once I'm done getting the rest ready for packaging.
Oct 07 23:51:55 <GeneralAntilles> Blah blah blah . . . lazy
Oct 07 23:52:00 <zerojay> lol
Oct 08 00:04:47 <orbarron> all: does maemo have a logo I can use somewhere? I tried the www.maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos but nothing is there
Oct 08 00:05:33 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/
Oct 08 00:05:43 <GeneralAntilles> Those aren't Maemo logos.
Oct 08 00:05:46 <GeneralAntilles> Those are http://maemo.org logos
Oct 08 00:05:49 <GeneralAntilles> What are you using it for?
Oct 08 00:05:54 <orbarron> got it...
Oct 08 00:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, lot of people like to chop the ".org" off to turn it into a "maemo" logo, so just making sure. :D
Oct 08 00:07:08 <orbarron> is there a standard logo or is this it?
Oct 08 00:07:39 <orbarron> don't want to chop anything just want to use what is available... but thanks for the input
Oct 08 00:08:13 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, Maemo doesn't really have a logo.
Oct 08 00:08:34 <orbarron> got it so the maemo.org is good then
Oct 08 00:08:37 <orbarron> thanks
Oct 08 00:09:01 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, basically "Maemo" written in Nokia's font might qualify, but the only real logo we have is the http://maemo.org one.
Oct 08 00:09:50 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, see the "Maemo" up under the Nokia logo here: http://maemo.nokia.com/
Oct 08 00:10:37 <orbarron> IC I like the .org one looks nice:-D
Oct 08 00:12:21 <orbarron> how about guidelines of usage? same as the ones listed here -- http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/  --
Oct 08 00:12:44 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, basically, yeah.
Oct 08 00:12:53 <orbarron> got it... thanks again
Oct 08 00:12:55 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, the big page of legalese needs updating.
Oct 08 00:13:09 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, but as long as it's something related to http://maemo.org or the community and not specifically Nokia you can use it.
Oct 08 00:13:21 <GeneralAntilles> We're not too worried about protecting the http://maemo.org trademark.
Oct 08 00:13:24 <GeneralAntilles> Got nothing to sell. :D
Oct 08 00:13:55 <orbarron> is there a bigger favicon image some where?
Oct 08 00:14:23 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, I think there's an SVG floating around down somewhere in Brazil but I was never able to get ahold of it. :(
Oct 08 00:14:43 <orbarron> :P
Oct 08 00:15:05 <GeneralAntilles> orbarron, should be fairly easy to yank the ae out of the svg, though.
Oct 08 00:15:44 <orbarron> yeah I know, just being a bit lazy....:-D
Oct 08 00:19:46 <zerojay> What would be nice to make these backgrounds REALLY pop.. a widget that just plays an animation and is completely invisible except for the sprite assigned to it.
Oct 08 00:20:04 <zerojay> Make those Mario ? blocks glow. :)
Oct 08 00:20:12 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Oct 08 00:20:29 <SpeedEvil> Or just support for animated backgrounds.
Oct 08 00:20:33 <zerojay> That too.
Oct 08 00:20:41 <SpeedEvil> Streaming ones too.
Oct 08 00:20:53 <SpeedEvil> Imagine a background of several worldwide beach-cams.
Oct 08 00:20:55 <zerojay> Widgets that play the animation in a path... enemies could walk around.
Oct 08 00:22:15 <zerojay> Wonder what needs to be added to bump up an image set to a full theme.
Oct 08 00:22:47 <GeneralAntilles> Lots more bitmaps?
Oct 08 00:22:54 <zerojay> Maybe.
Oct 08 00:51:28 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody needs to make an app with RGB sliders for the LED.
Oct 08 01:19:11 <zerojay> :)
Oct 08 01:21:38 <Firebird> GeneralAntilles, the one for the N810 doesn't work?
Oct 08 01:21:51 <GeneralAntilles> Good point, haven't tried.
Oct 08 01:21:54 <GeneralAntilles> But doubt it.
Oct 08 01:22:01 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Standby... theme incoming.
Oct 08 01:22:07 <GeneralAntilles> Which reminds me, where the hell did jott disappear to?
Oct 08 01:22:12 <zerojay> Well... "image set" anyways.
Oct 08 01:22:28 <Firebird> GeneralAntilles, try it: http://pastebin.com/m6f8ba4f1
Oct 08 01:22:55 <Firebird> though, /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2 probably doesn't exist
Oct 08 01:23:13 <Firebird> the N900 has a RGB led?
Oct 08 01:23:26 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Oct 08 01:23:27 <zerojay> Does different colors, yeah.
Oct 08 01:23:32 <zerojay> Bottom left of the device.
Oct 08 01:23:49 <Firebird> I think the manual kinda concluded that it did white and orange only
Oct 08 01:23:49 <zerojay> Doesn't ever flash often enough when there's a new or incoming message.
Oct 08 01:23:58 <zerojay> No, blue = new e-mail/im.
Oct 08 01:24:13 <zerojay> Green = fully charged.
Oct 08 01:24:24 <Firebird> ah, guess I didn't look at it far enough
Oct 08 01:24:52 <zerojay> Don't blame yourself. The manual is missing a lot... or gets things wrong.
Oct 08 01:25:16 <GeneralAntilles> http://pastebin.com/d6a180d50
Oct 08 01:25:30 <GeneralAntilles> It's RGB
Oct 08 01:27:45 <Firebird> is there any directory like the one on the N810?
Oct 08 01:28:10 <wiretapped> is there any new info about when the N900 is actually going to be available?
Oct 08 01:28:24 * wiretapped is ready
Oct 08 01:29:11 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Hope you don't mind the slight artistic license I had to take to make sure the status bar wouldn't be drawn on top of a mess of random colored pixels: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3991852944/
Oct 08 01:29:21 <howitzer`> it's available when you're not ready anymore :)
Oct 08 01:29:45 * wiretapped rushes out to buy a g1
Oct 08 01:29:56 <zerojay> It was a bitch to loop properly... but you can't even tell anymore. :)
Oct 08 01:30:38 <GeneralAntilles> It sucks and I hate it!
Oct 08 01:30:43 <zerojay> lol
Oct 08 01:31:05 <zerojay> I was going to replace NINTENDO with MAEMO.ORG for you, but got lazy. :)
Oct 08 01:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> Hehehe
Oct 08 01:31:36 <GeneralAntilles> I really want somebody to do a full theme for something.
Oct 08 01:31:39 <GeneralAntilles> Sound effects, too.
Oct 08 01:31:48 <zerojay> Yeah, that's why I was asking earlier.
Oct 08 01:35:21 <Guest2651_828> hi
Oct 08 01:35:29 <Guest2651_828> testing
Oct 08 01:35:39 <Guest2651_828> testing
Oct 08 01:35:43 <GeneralAntilles> 123
Oct 08 01:35:47 <Guest2651_828> how to i chat
Oct 08 01:35:57 <GeneralAntilles>  /nick <your nick>
Oct 08 01:36:03 <Firebird> well, you're chatting right now
Oct 08 01:36:19 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta love Google: http://tinyurl.com/y8dvc87
Oct 08 01:36:28 <GeneralAntilles> Welcome.
Oct 08 01:37:08 <SpeedEvil> random - does anyone happen to know the number of bytes it would take to update status on twitter? I'm unsure if my phone providers claim of 1040 or so is realistic (in an ad)
Oct 08 01:37:36 <techgeek> ok
Oct 08 01:37:42 <wiretapped> How is IRC formed?????
Oct 08 01:37:54 <SpeedEvil> wiretapped: write grew up.
Oct 08 01:38:12 <techgeek> does anyone know where i can find the wrtouch theme for maemo 4 on tablethacker.com ?
Oct 08 01:41:43 <GeneralAntilles> wrtouch?
Oct 08 01:41:44 <TechGeek2> aah
Oct 08 01:41:49 <TechGeek2> this is much better
Oct 08 01:42:35 <TechGeek2> My question was does anyone know where I can find the wptouch theme for the n810 (maemo 4)?
Oct 08 01:43:26 <TechGeek2> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24285 penguinbait says its on his website
Oct 08 01:43:33 <zerojay> wiretapped: LOL
Oct 08 01:43:35 <GeneralAntilles> Does this help? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24285
Oct 08 01:44:16 <TechGeek2> oh sorry
Oct 08 01:44:36 <TechGeek2> I thought it was a theme for the os on the n810 it's a wordpress theme. my mistake
Oct 08 01:44:47 <zerojay> http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay - Not a bad start, eh?
Oct 08 01:44:56 <zerojay> For one day.
Oct 08 01:46:12 <puelocesar> hi
Oct 08 01:46:31 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, Imma email that to your boss. :P
Oct 08 01:46:33 <puelocesar> I updated some libs on my Diablo and now I can't run Canola anymore
Oct 08 01:46:53 <puelocesar> it complains about missing XRAND
Oct 08 01:47:56 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: lol.
Oct 08 01:58:42 <wiretapped> zerojay: i'm confused
Oct 08 01:58:58 <wiretapped> in the videos it looks like maemo5 scrolls a larger background
Oct 08 01:59:03 <wiretapped> why are these all 800x480?
Oct 08 01:59:38 <Firebird> wiretapped, you need 4 of them, a giant image would be a bit intensive performance wise
Oct 08 01:59:55 <wiretapped> seriously?!
Oct 08 02:00:05 <Firebird> you can just make one giant one and split it
Oct 08 02:00:17 <wiretapped> um
Oct 08 02:00:17 <zerojay> Each desktop is 800x480... and just splitting a giant one is what I did.
Oct 08 02:00:23 <wiretapped> why doesn't it just do that?!
Oct 08 02:00:46 <wiretapped> you actually have to set four different wallpapers?
Oct 08 02:00:54 <zerojay> You CAN.
Oct 08 02:01:00 <wiretapped> and the stuff in the video involves four images that line up?
Oct 08 02:01:08 <zerojay> I have included .desktop files that will set all four at the same time.
Oct 08 02:01:17 <zerojay> Yep.
Oct 08 02:01:18 <wiretapped> ok
Oct 08 02:01:21 <wiretapped> wacky
Oct 08 02:01:48 <zerojay> When you install my themes from the .deb that'll be made, you'll just see "Image Set - Super Mario Bros. - World 1-2" for example and it will set all four at once.
Oct 08 02:02:03 <zerojay> Just downloading them from that site though.. you'd have to do it one by one.
Oct 08 02:02:45 <zerojay> Not that it's a big deal to do that anyways... only saving maybe a minute.
Oct 08 02:02:54 <wiretapped> ok
Oct 08 02:02:57 <wiretapped> nice work btw
Oct 08 02:03:00 <Firebird> bah, ignorantly updated with extras-devel again :/
Oct 08 02:03:20 <zerojay> wiretapped: When you see them in action.. that's when you can really appreciate it.
Oct 08 02:03:30 <zerojay> Let me see if this thing will record video.. hmm.
Oct 08 02:04:11 <wiretapped> you have an n900 already?
Oct 08 02:04:19 * wiretapped wonders how many here do
Oct 08 02:04:21 <zerojay> Load applet apparently lets you record screencasts, but it just recorded black for me.
Oct 08 02:04:30 <wiretapped> wow
Oct 08 02:04:33 <wiretapped> screencasts
Oct 08 02:04:34 <wiretapped> lol
Oct 08 02:07:13 <zerojay> wiretapped: If I get to do what I really want to do with these themes... you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Oct 08 02:08:06 <Flandry> Hi. Is there a separate channel for maemo dev?
Oct 08 02:08:16 <zerojay> This is it.
Oct 08 02:08:31 <Flandry> ok great
Oct 08 02:09:02 <Flandry> i'm wondering if the app manager is supposed to work in the SDK
Oct 08 02:09:04 <zerojay> Just keep in mind that a lot of people are on their way to Summit, so not everyone's around. :)
Oct 08 02:09:14 <Flandry> ah good point
Oct 08 02:10:37 <Flandry> can click on apps in app manager, but nothing happens
Oct 08 02:10:54 <Flandry> as i don't yet have a tablet, i don't know how it normally acts
Oct 08 02:11:38 <zerojay> Maybe you don't have the repos set up.
Oct 08 02:12:28 <Firebird> nothing happens here either
Oct 08 02:13:18 <Flandry> have five or six showing up under "Catalogues"
Oct 08 02:13:25 <Flandry> and i can see apps
Oct 08 02:13:28 <zerojay> Yeah, that would be them.
Oct 08 02:13:32 <Flandry> just nothing happens...
Oct 08 02:13:57 <Flandry> hmm
Oct 08 02:14:11 <Flandry> actually media playback is broken too
Oct 08 02:14:49 <Flandry> Firebird, what works for you in the emulator?
Oct 08 02:18:12 <Flandry> it's hard to know what to file a bug for when everything is busted :D
Oct 08 02:20:04 <Firebird> "Bug Report: Product *"
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