**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 08 02:59:58 2009 Oct 08 03:08:34 plugh Oct 08 03:09:57 gah Oct 08 03:10:24 could someone please provide a way to bypass or work around that damned esound resampler? Oct 08 03:10:36 someone set that junk for 48kHz Oct 08 03:10:44 it's adding aliasing to all music Oct 08 03:11:10 now that I stopped using crummy headphones, it sounds *horrid* Oct 08 03:11:25 either like noise, or like someone put audio through a resonant filter Oct 08 03:11:31 (duh) Oct 08 03:13:10 I am willing to pay some small battery life tax Oct 08 03:13:15 but please do fix it Oct 08 03:15:17 this linear resampler is making my ears cry :-( Oct 08 03:20:49 (formerly it was less noticeable due to worse earphones) Oct 08 03:21:20 I thought it was resampling to 44100hz in maemo? Oct 08 03:21:43 And yes, esd's resampler sounds like someone scratching on your window with a fork Oct 08 03:21:48 w/e, it is resampling Oct 08 03:21:50 that's enough Oct 08 03:21:57 and resampling badly Oct 08 03:23:02 anyway, hda-intel vs this is no-contest Oct 08 03:23:17 on the same files. Oct 08 03:23:22 yes Oct 08 03:23:39 and I think it's mostly fixable Oct 08 03:23:46 in software. Oct 08 03:24:08 hda-intel probably doesn't have that much margin between signal and noise floor, but crummy resampling will stand out over it :) Oct 08 03:24:19 hehe Oct 08 03:24:36 actually, here it provides some 100 dBA SNR (measured by ear) Oct 08 03:24:42 The "fix" is to have esd run at the hardware's native rate, if it has one, and feed esd at that rate Oct 08 03:24:52 (plus a nasty 19kHz+ quiet whine) Oct 08 03:25:07 ShadowJK: what hardware? you mean the DSP? ;p Oct 08 03:25:28 What samplerate is the file you're playing? Oct 08 03:25:45 standard mp3, that is, 44100 Hz, 16 bit, stereo Oct 08 03:26:01 strange Oct 08 03:26:14 iirc things go funny if MPlayer feeds esd at anything BUT 44100hz Oct 08 03:26:29 it's especially apparent on all kinds of electronica Oct 08 03:26:48 hm, I've got some ladytron somewhere.. Oct 08 03:26:56 What headphones do you have btw? Oct 08 03:27:11 now, Sennheiser IE-7... these are 24 Ohm I think Oct 08 03:27:21 Not familiar with IE-7 Oct 08 03:27:22 so shouldn't be a problem to drive by the analogue part of the circuit Oct 08 03:28:13 noise floor is kinda obvious on tablet Oct 08 03:28:18 * ShadowJK gets reminded by plugging in headphones Oct 08 03:28:22 as in when not playing Oct 08 03:28:39 yes, it's some -82 dBA IMO Oct 08 03:28:46 but that's not too bad. Oct 08 03:28:48 Well you can hear when the DSP is activated and deactivated by the sudden appearance of huge amounts of bg noise :) Oct 08 03:28:58 s/huge/some/ Oct 08 03:29:12 but yes. this is not the problem though Oct 08 03:29:24 it's actually the biggest distortion I hear Oct 08 03:29:32 that and volume doesn't go low enough Oct 08 03:29:40 oh Oct 08 03:29:59 you're using some low impedance headphones Oct 08 03:30:14 like, 16 Ohm. had that problem too Oct 08 03:30:27 change both analog control (the system one) and digital Oct 08 03:30:50 fortunately, n810's amp is not as wimpy as old iPod's Oct 08 03:30:53 Yeah mine are 16ohm Oct 08 03:30:56 it can drive low impedance Oct 08 03:31:02 (w/o bass loss) Oct 08 03:31:30 but now, play some, hmm, electronica Oct 08 03:31:38 esp. of the more melodic kind Oct 08 03:31:53 I think the noise would mask alot of distortion Oct 08 03:31:58 though not the worst kind of resampling Oct 08 03:32:07 not this kind of noise Oct 08 03:32:13 it's too quiet anyway ;p Oct 08 03:32:18 do you have an example file you could send? Oct 08 03:32:33 let me think... what could I send w/o snipping. Oct 08 03:32:35 oh right Oct 08 03:32:46 those are from newsgrounds, so you can dl them yourself Oct 08 03:33:34 my sennheiser cx-300 are LOUD even at the lowest volume that's still subjectively 30% noise :/ Oct 08 03:33:48 subjectively, you're overestimating the noise floor ;p Oct 08 03:33:52 but yes, it's audible. Oct 08 03:34:02 hehe Oct 08 03:34:26 (but cx 300 go to -106 dBA) Oct 08 03:34:52 if I play silence, and touch the touchscreen, the noise changes :) Oct 08 03:34:53 (about almost what I could measure with Aureon Space) Oct 08 03:35:03 yes, because it's analog electrical noise Oct 08 03:35:14 piss poor opamp there ;p Oct 08 03:35:23 blame cost cuts Oct 08 03:35:25 so what should I download? Oct 08 03:36:22 let me see, it's mostly junk, but let me pick something less-junk Oct 08 03:37:33 you know it's bad when some chinese clonemakers pick some random amps and get it better Oct 08 03:38:02 heh, I can do it better with one-transistor amp Oct 08 03:38:13 that is how bad it is Oct 08 03:38:21 (better as in with similar power efficiency) Oct 08 03:38:58 actually, just download some random electronica Oct 08 03:39:05 (one that has at least some melody) Oct 08 03:39:29 it'd be nicer if you could link me some Oct 08 03:39:34 this site's navigation eludes me Oct 08 03:39:44 uh. Oct 08 03:39:52 click Audio portal Oct 08 03:39:57 pick "Best list" Oct 08 03:40:28 or rather, pick the genre in the list just above Oct 08 03:40:29 :) Oct 08 03:40:58 N900 will have a much better amp. Oct 08 03:41:11 yeah yeah, but N900 isn't here yet Oct 08 03:41:20 and especially not on my desk yet :P Oct 08 03:41:22 amp isn't the real problem here Oct 08 03:41:22 Give it a couple weeks. ;) Oct 08 03:41:33 and THEN we get to fight with pulseaudio butchering audio :) Oct 08 03:41:35 GeneralAntilles: give us a couple of bucks ;p Oct 08 03:41:44 nah, pulse is easily fixable Oct 08 03:41:52 it has speex resamplers which are decent Oct 08 03:42:18 even if they don't enable the good quality one by default Oct 08 03:42:49 hm, do I need flash for this Oct 08 03:42:54 not. Oct 08 03:43:08 oh a floppy picture Oct 08 03:43:10 * ShadowJK taps Oct 08 03:43:11 click "floppy" Oct 08 03:44:12 hm, maybe I should buy some Shure headphones Oct 08 03:44:23 27ohm impedance Oct 08 03:45:07 unfortunately, Shures are overpriced for their quality... a bit Oct 08 03:45:16 the top of their line is good, yes Oct 08 03:45:26 still overpriced Oct 08 03:45:34 my first pick had no vocals at all :-) Oct 08 03:45:44 What did your IE-3 cost? Oct 08 03:45:48 The formfactor looks ideal Oct 08 03:45:52 IE-7? Oct 08 03:45:54 a lot ;p Oct 08 03:45:59 AStorm, what do you recommend for earbuds? Oct 08 03:45:59 oh IE-7 Oct 08 03:46:17 IE-3 don't exist already ;p (IE-4 was CX 500 + tuning) Oct 08 03:46:37 I think I googled IE-3 and got some results, heh Oct 08 03:46:39 GeneralAntilles: earbuds? if you're averse to canalphones... Oct 08 03:46:48 oh just under $200 Oct 08 03:46:49 ShadowJK: they're long out of production Oct 08 03:47:00 IE-3 was... uh Oct 08 03:47:05 CX 300 + some tuning ;p Oct 08 03:47:14 and foam instead of rubber Oct 08 03:47:21 optionally. Oct 08 03:47:28 I think I like foam better Oct 08 03:47:34 Well, depends on the situation really Oct 08 03:48:04 GeneralAntilles: hmm, let me think for a second Oct 08 03:48:23 I suspect some of MX series are still good Oct 08 03:48:27 or at least ok Oct 08 03:48:36 but... there was something else too Oct 08 03:48:54 I can't stand regular earbuds Oct 08 03:49:02 They just fall out Oct 08 03:49:08 I can stand *some*. smaller ones. Oct 08 03:49:36 GeneralAntilles: oh right Oct 08 03:49:45 Yuin produces some quite fine earbuds Oct 08 03:49:53 if you really do not want ear canal Oct 08 03:50:03 Am I not seeing GeneralAntilles' side of the conversation or is this a long monologue? :) Oct 08 03:50:27 05:45:59 GeneralAntilles | AStorm, what do you recommend for earbuds? Oct 08 03:50:29 ;) Oct 08 03:50:48 Not an earbud person, but it's always good to know what to recommend. Oct 08 03:51:03 AStorm, do you have a non-esd system with MPlayer? Oct 08 03:51:10 hmmm Oct 08 03:51:12 not. Oct 08 03:51:19 that's why I'm asking how to fix it Oct 08 03:51:23 I had one once Oct 08 03:51:26 ah Oct 08 03:51:31 but with custom kernel Oct 08 03:51:44 and a whole other lot of custom stuff I forgot to write down Oct 08 03:51:46 :-/ Oct 08 03:52:02 heck, ALSA worked there (w/o mixing) Oct 08 03:52:39 It's strange because I think esd runs at 44100hz on the tablet... so there should be no remixing :/ Oct 08 03:52:47 * AStorm checks again Oct 08 03:52:53 canola configs. Oct 08 03:54:02 actually, .atabake/config Oct 08 03:54:10 audio = oms Oct 08 03:55:18 set that to mplayer, let's check. Oct 08 03:55:37 (mplayer will use its own ffmpeg resampler) Oct 08 03:56:10 if it feels like it Oct 08 03:56:21 it has about 5 resamplers ;p Oct 08 03:56:32 From "omg, fast!" to "audiophile!" Oct 08 03:57:19 dammit Oct 08 03:57:22 yes, that was it. Oct 08 03:57:27 * ShadowJK constructs monstrous resampler-fail filterchain in mplayer and finds some anime OST that sounds dreadful afterwards Oct 08 03:57:30 * AStorm kicks esd or gstreamer in the nuts Oct 08 03:57:39 What was it? Oct 08 03:58:06 switching to mplayer fixed the horridness Oct 08 03:58:18 heh Oct 08 03:58:18 but added a fresh new volume control bug ;p Oct 08 03:58:45 (volume control acts a split second *after* the track is loaded) Oct 08 03:59:02 the default media player does that too Oct 08 03:59:06 I think it's buffering by esd Oct 08 03:59:10 maybe Oct 08 03:59:14 softvol anyway Oct 08 03:59:30 in other words, it's likely that gstreamer goes through some fail Oct 08 03:59:44 what was that "oms"? Oct 08 03:59:52 no idea Oct 08 03:59:52 anyone get there phone yet Oct 08 04:00:24 AStorm, do you have n810 or ssh access to your tablet for typing something? wanna test crapp-resampler chain I found? Oct 08 04:00:24 you mean n900? heh, no Oct 08 04:00:24 ya Oct 08 04:00:40 sure, I have n810 right on hand Oct 08 04:00:49 guess what I was testing it with ;p Oct 08 04:01:11 right let me test myself first Oct 08 04:01:52 let me give you something that fails horribly w/o that Oct 08 04:01:56 * AStorm does a title search Oct 08 04:02:32 damn Oct 08 04:02:37 it fell off the newsgrounds Oct 08 04:03:19 wth Oct 08 04:03:29 either their search is broken, or everything I have cycled Oct 08 04:03:39 I suspect the former Oct 08 04:04:12 of course, main search was broken Oct 08 04:04:47 mplayer -ao esd -af resample=42000:0:0,resample=44100:0:0 file.mp3 Oct 08 04:05:00 ugh Oct 08 04:05:08 what kind of brokenness you propose? Oct 08 04:05:23 a benchmark of ffmpeg resampler? Oct 08 04:05:23 This is the "crap" resampler Oct 08 04:05:29 and not ffmpeg's resampler Oct 08 04:05:32 ah Oct 08 04:05:33 :> Oct 08 04:05:42 linear mplayer "desampler" ;) Oct 08 04:05:46 ShadowJK: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/137492 Oct 08 04:05:50 mplayer -ao esd -af resample=42000:0:2,resample=44100:0:2 file.mp3 Oct 08 04:05:56 That's the "good" mplayer resampler Oct 08 04:06:21 * AStorm tests Oct 08 04:06:29 and then mplayer -ao esd -af lavcresample=42000,lavcresample=44100 file.mp3 for ffmpeg's resampler Oct 08 04:07:07 I don't hear these resampling distortions like I used to Oct 08 04:07:17 I guess working in loud environment has made my hearing crap over the years :/ Oct 08 04:09:31 no, really ;) most of the nasty distortion is high-freq Oct 08 04:09:42 easily aparrent on the guitar Oct 08 04:10:02 but it's not the :0 resampler Oct 08 04:10:08 it sounds like :1 one Oct 08 04:10:22 is :1 crap to you too? Oct 08 04:10:28 what about :2? Oct 08 04:10:53 :2 is ok Oct 08 04:10:58 :1 loses some volume for me Oct 08 04:11:09 What does :0 sound like to you? Oct 08 04:11:13 hm, wait Oct 08 04:11:24 no, it does sound like :0 Oct 08 04:11:25 ;p Oct 08 04:11:30 but different Oct 08 04:11:41 I suspect it's upsampling for some reason unknown Oct 08 04:12:00 Well this filterchain downsamples and then upsamples Oct 08 04:12:16 yes yes Oct 08 04:12:32 hm Oct 08 04:12:42 mplayer doesn't allow 48kHz output via esd Oct 08 04:12:56 is there a way I can force it? Oct 08 04:13:04 (to check if it's that exact sound) Oct 08 04:13:33 heh, it crashes :) Oct 08 04:14:07 :1 is still audibly worse than :2 Oct 08 04:14:16 but mostly because of increased lowpass to me Oct 08 04:14:18 yeah it's the integer version of :2 Oct 08 04:14:22 nowhere near as bad as :0 ;p Oct 08 04:14:31 :0 is linear interpolation Oct 08 04:15:00 fail Oct 08 04:15:27 * AStorm switches canola to audio=oms to check Oct 08 04:16:57 man, I'm totally deaf compared to before Oct 08 04:17:19 yes, it's definitely either some kind of linear resampling Oct 08 04:17:25 or crappy mp3 decoder Oct 08 04:17:40 sounds "rough" a lot Oct 08 04:17:43 and noisier Oct 08 04:18:22 yes Oct 08 04:18:28 trashy Oct 08 04:19:21 now, the question is... Oct 08 04:19:34 whether the original player does that. Oct 08 04:19:41 * AStorm tests Oct 08 04:20:56 lol, try 73737 as the first rate Oct 08 04:23:01 ooh Oct 08 04:23:02 * AStorm thinks it will sound crap Oct 08 04:23:14 apparently original player does that too Oct 08 04:23:20 meh. Oct 08 04:23:21 40517 Oct 08 04:23:37 so it's some kind of oms bug Oct 08 04:23:48 or their mp3 decoder Oct 08 04:24:20 hmm Oct 08 04:24:42 it does sound like linear resampling Oct 08 04:25:01 sans clipping Oct 08 04:25:37 I think esd at one point was doing something worse than linear Oct 08 04:25:50 yes, zero order hold Oct 08 04:25:59 but it definitely sounds like linear Oct 08 04:26:12 try -af resample=48000:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 Oct 08 04:26:18 maybe with -volume 95 Oct 08 04:26:22 I didn't even know sennheiser had a higher end in-ear range Oct 08 04:27:15 ooh Oct 08 04:27:39 What do they sound like? Oct 08 04:27:43 hm? Oct 08 04:27:49 cx300 is kinda harsh and has ludicrous amounts of bass... Oct 08 04:27:52 IE-7? close to HD 650 of fullsize Oct 08 04:28:09 they do have a bit more of bass, but not the CX 300 kind Oct 08 04:28:14 not mid bass Oct 08 04:28:24 btw, it sounds like: Oct 08 04:28:43 -af volume=-6,resample=48000:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 Oct 08 04:28:52 which means the dumb OMS is sending 48kHz Oct 08 04:29:09 and esd is doing proper linear resampling Oct 08 04:29:14 :-( Oct 08 04:29:21 ooh that's pretty nasty Oct 08 04:30:17 * AStorm switches audio to mplayer and is happy (almost) again Oct 08 04:30:32 hm. Oct 08 04:30:34 * ShadowJK considered etymotic research for awhile Oct 08 04:30:44 nah, it doesn't sound like that exactly.. Oct 08 04:30:49 esp audible on piano Oct 08 04:30:54 it's not pure linear Oct 08 04:30:57 hmm Oct 08 04:31:00 intriguing Oct 08 04:31:08 It's audible on bells for me Oct 08 04:31:08 it is some monkeying after linear Oct 08 04:31:28 maybe it's lowpassed linear Oct 08 04:31:53 does mplayer have a lowpass filter? Oct 08 04:32:04 yes, it does Oct 08 04:32:06 * AStorm tests Oct 08 04:32:51 meh Oct 08 04:32:53 does resample=40517:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 get close? Oct 08 04:32:56 no, that was mp3lame optino Oct 08 04:33:01 checking... Oct 08 04:33:38 close Oct 08 04:33:53 this absolutely brutally murders the elfen lied ost Oct 08 04:34:15 it's worse though Oct 08 04:34:27 upping to 48000 Hz is worse too Oct 08 04:34:31 it's same ratio as 48000->44100 Oct 08 04:34:43 it's like, someone did linear, then did something afterwards Oct 08 04:34:59 maybe it's a quadratic filter? Oct 08 04:35:04 hm Oct 08 04:35:08 it's definitely not cubic Oct 08 04:35:24 or if it is, it's broken cubic Oct 08 04:37:24 pity mplayer doesn't have all of them bad resamplers ;p Oct 08 04:37:58 hehe Oct 08 04:43:39 elfen lied has an ost worth listening to? Oct 08 04:43:46 microlith: hehe Oct 08 04:44:56 it's worth it for the latin Oct 08 04:45:35 I still suspect it's not really the resampler Oct 08 04:45:38 but mp3 decoder Oct 08 04:45:59 or resampling done in mp3 decoder Oct 08 04:46:39 easy to validate, I'll play a wav file decoded by mplayer vs the mp3 file itself Oct 08 04:47:30 i thought mplayer was fine Oct 08 04:47:33 obviously, mplayer uses more CPU Oct 08 04:47:35 oh right Oct 08 04:47:40 nevermind me Oct 08 04:48:58 I have three audio sources on me ;p 1) hda-intel 2) iRivier T20 (oldie) 3) Nokia N810 Oct 08 04:49:16 I have zero cuz I'm at home Oct 08 04:49:37 ;) Oct 08 04:49:48 * AStorm should also test vs the original Oct 08 04:49:48 Is anybody else havign issues connecting to repository.maemo.org ? Oct 08 04:50:29 zgold: I eated it for midnight snack. That server was yummy. Oct 08 04:50:53 * AStorm confirms that mplayer does proper decode vs iRivier T20 Oct 08 04:51:03 luke-jr_: 'tis down for you too? Oct 08 04:51:18 (albeit audio is sub-par for unrelated reasons ;p ) Oct 08 04:51:27 zgold: of course, I ate it Oct 08 04:51:41 (the reason being bad clipping handling) Oct 08 04:52:01 zgold: on the honest side, no, it works fine Oct 08 04:52:01 * AStorm fixes that by dumping volume=-6 to canola mplayer config Oct 08 04:53:20 * GeneralAntilles wonders how Andre adds versions to multiple products. Oct 08 04:53:50 ooh I know Oct 08 04:54:00 if I buy Windows 7 twice, I can install Windows 14! Oct 08 04:54:04 af = volume:-6 to be exact Oct 08 04:54:10 luke-jr_: nice idea Oct 08 04:54:13 but it's wrong Oct 08 04:54:19 2x 7 = 7 ultimate Oct 08 04:54:27 ;p Oct 08 04:54:30 lrn2math Oct 08 04:54:33 n00b Oct 08 04:54:35 I did Oct 08 04:54:48 moo all Oct 08 04:54:48 check the prices Oct 08 04:54:48 no no Oct 08 04:54:57 make sure to calculate average inflation Oct 08 04:54:57 it's windows 49 Oct 08 04:54:57 after all, 7^2 Oct 08 04:55:11 RST38h: meeeeeeh ;) Oct 08 04:55:47 heya AStorm, are you going? Oct 08 04:55:55 hm/ Oct 08 04:55:59 going where? Oct 08 04:56:04 the summit Oct 08 04:56:12 hey, I couldn't book the place, for one Oct 08 04:56:17 for second, studies Oct 08 04:56:21 :/ Oct 08 04:56:23 oh Oct 08 04:57:52 * luke-jr_ watches nobody be able to make it Oct 08 04:58:25 * AStorm is going to some other conference later though Oct 08 04:58:37 this semester will be hell Oct 08 04:58:45 Is this the last one? Oct 08 04:58:50 hopefully Oct 08 04:59:10 not that it changes anything Oct 08 05:00:34 * AStorm is doomed likely anyway - one failed exam just before and no other term to pass it apparently Oct 08 05:00:55 a group of us will have to force the professor to make another Oct 08 05:01:07 (quite large group too) Oct 08 05:01:15 (at least 20 people) Oct 08 05:01:33 that's why it will be hell Oct 08 05:05:30 bring in the beer! Oct 08 05:05:50 doing that every 2 days... have to limit Oct 08 05:06:13 no, you should do it to the professor =) Oct 08 05:06:58 oh, not that kind :-( Oct 08 05:07:48 this is a man who likes his job ;p Oct 08 05:08:12 and works like a machine Oct 08 05:08:23 more than beer? and does not need oiling too? =) Oct 08 05:08:29 a broken machine* Oct 08 05:08:36 nah, when he's at work, he's at work Oct 08 05:08:38 ;p Oct 08 05:08:42 AStorm: What is the class subject anyway? Oct 08 05:08:50 RST38h: control theory Oct 08 05:08:56 RST38h: "How to make a good pizza" Oct 08 05:09:08 * RST38h facepalms Oct 08 05:09:14 How fitting. Oct 08 05:09:47 yes, too fitting Oct 08 05:09:56 and we're in no position to control the professor Oct 08 05:09:57 ;p Oct 08 05:10:19 he triggers oscillations in our transfer functinos Oct 08 05:14:31 my problem is that I suck at math ;p (actually, at simplifying equations) Oct 08 05:14:39 With 20 people failing the exam, he just has to do a reexamination though... Oct 08 05:14:47 no, has not. Oct 08 05:14:54 the next term is in february Oct 08 05:14:59 BUT that's too late for us Oct 08 05:15:13 Why? There are some hard time limits on graduations? Oct 08 05:15:18 and we may not be allowed to defend our theses (or whatever they're called) Oct 08 05:15:34 because we haven't passed "everything" Oct 08 05:15:46 so, yeah Oct 08 05:15:51 we're screwed right now Oct 08 05:16:03 we'll see how it goes Oct 08 05:16:15 It usually costs an extra semester in the US Oct 08 05:16:32 And in Russia they let you take reexamination at the start of the next semester Oct 08 05:19:16 RST38h: yes, exactly Oct 08 05:19:23 half a year wasted ;p Oct 08 05:20:29 and I don't know whether I'll have to pay for that Oct 08 05:20:34 as in, money ;p Oct 08 05:20:52 morning Oct 08 05:21:01 moaning Oct 08 05:22:54 oh, right Oct 08 05:23:44 I won't have to pay... maybe, if the dean allows a leave Oct 08 05:23:55 we'll see Oct 08 05:24:00 You can claim being pregnant =) Oct 08 05:24:18 damned shall be the faculty for putting such a hard thing on the second to last semester Oct 08 05:24:26 ;P Oct 08 05:24:44 20 people = ~20% of the year Oct 08 05:24:49 (a bit more) Oct 08 05:24:59 Means everything will eventually be all right Oct 08 05:25:21 eventually. Oct 08 05:25:32 where time -> infinity Oct 08 05:25:35 No sane university fails 20% of annual student output Oct 08 05:25:50 and money -> 0 Oct 08 05:25:53 sure they do Oct 08 05:26:14 the failure is not equivalent to being kicked out Oct 08 05:26:22 (unless you fail too much) Oct 08 05:26:34 Ah, then you are ok, just need more money Oct 08 05:26:50 precisely Oct 08 05:27:11 any command in xterm or application for lock and the lock widget and home desktop on my n810 diablotin??? Oct 08 05:27:32 hm, not. Oct 08 05:27:39 there's none I think Oct 08 05:28:06 hum Oct 08 05:29:34 i hope... Oct 08 05:32:05 uh, windows 7 ad on radio Oct 08 05:59:33 tigert: haha Oct 08 06:22:09 um, out of curiosity. What filesystem does maemo use? Oct 08 06:24:07 n8x0 it was jffs2 on the internal flash, FAT on the sds Oct 08 06:24:22 on n900 i think ubifs on internal flash, fat, ext2/3 on the sd Oct 08 06:24:50 yes Oct 08 06:24:51 where internal flash is the 256meg nand Oct 08 06:25:04 and sd is the internal 32gig thing Oct 08 06:26:03 why ext3? it's mostly pointless damage to sd Oct 08 06:26:11 we need btrfs there ;p Oct 08 06:26:21 or other log-based or copy-on-write filesystem Oct 08 06:26:29 ah, ok Oct 08 06:26:45 ext2 is ok too, though not as resilient Oct 08 06:26:48 AStorm: you've obviously never had a ext2 completely destroy itself on sd Oct 08 06:26:48 thanks Stskeeps Oct 08 06:26:57 Stskeeps: sure I had ;p Oct 08 06:27:07 just like FAT Oct 08 06:27:17 those are old fses Oct 08 06:27:27 damn touchbook Oct 08 06:27:31 won't wifi tether to my g1 Oct 08 06:27:33 piece of shit Oct 08 06:27:39 journalled filesystems are unfortunately death to SD cards/chips Oct 08 06:27:47 Macer: adhoc though Oct 08 06:27:49 ? Oct 08 06:27:51 yes Oct 08 06:27:56 see, it's a normal problem Oct 08 06:27:56 :P Oct 08 06:27:58 unless it's a dancing journal or many split journals Oct 08 06:28:00 haha Oct 08 06:28:05 but on this thing even manually didn't work Oct 08 06:28:07 the first is reiser4 (ugh, I wouldn't use that) Oct 08 06:28:08 in mer it did ;) Oct 08 06:28:11 the second is xfs Oct 08 06:28:20 Macer: any impressions about the device so far? Oct 08 06:28:28 well... it's OK Oct 08 06:28:39 the touchscreen sucks Oct 08 06:28:45 and is very inaccurate Oct 08 06:28:45 so, from stable filesystems, xfs might be the best choice Oct 08 06:28:46 so given that ubifs is in the mainline kernel, one would be able to mount a maemo device over a USB cable on a PC, no? Oct 08 06:28:56 and since we have battery backing laready... Oct 08 06:28:57 the defaul tuser thing kind of sucks Oct 08 06:28:58 ;p Oct 08 06:29:03 other than that.. it's not bad Oct 08 06:29:07 battery life really is good Oct 08 06:29:09 Macer: does it tip? Oct 08 06:29:15 Stskeeps: yes Oct 08 06:29:15 hehe Oct 08 06:29:16 JosefAssad: there's provisions to mount MyDocs over USB Oct 08 06:29:17 it is top heavy Oct 08 06:29:19 Macer: ah, sucks Oct 08 06:29:23 needs a stand Oct 08 06:29:25 i think they are sending out plastic support tabs Oct 08 06:29:28 yeah.. that too Oct 08 06:29:30 Stskeeps: ah, now the whole filesystem? Oct 08 06:29:33 if the tablet had a stand that would be great Oct 08 06:29:34 s/now/not/ Oct 08 06:29:34 JosefAssad meant: Stskeeps: ah, not the whole filesystem? Oct 08 06:29:49 but right now the adhoc networking is killing me Oct 08 06:29:54 * JosefAssad pets infobot Oct 08 06:30:00 maybe it's dhcpcd Oct 08 06:30:03 and dhclient will work Oct 08 06:30:03 JosefAssad: there's an issue with exporting things over USB, - you can't use the fs at same time Oct 08 06:30:13 --= KILLED BY ADHOC NETWORKING =-- Oct 08 06:30:16 Stskeeps: Ah, ok. Known thing. Oct 08 06:30:27 Stskeeps: that's because they're using usb gadget module Oct 08 06:30:34 which is... a bit underfeatured Oct 08 06:31:02 AStorm: the guy who wrote omap2-dsp for pulseaudio left the company it seems btw, not sure if i told you :P Oct 08 06:31:13 oh fork Oct 08 06:31:17 * JosefAssad supposes sshd on the maemo device and sshfs on the laptop will do the trick Oct 08 06:31:29 so we now have no working dsp there? Oct 08 06:31:41 AStorm: we have working ALSA but pulseaudio barfs on it Oct 08 06:31:49 s/working/broken/ Oct 08 06:31:49 AStorm meant: so we now have no broken dsp there? Oct 08 06:32:00 someone needs to sit down and fix the plugin :/ Oct 08 06:32:06 infobot: NOT WHAT I MEANT! ;p Oct 08 06:32:10 hehe Oct 08 06:32:15 Stskeeps: or rather, fix ALSA support Oct 08 06:32:19 Sts: I have strong suspicions that in actual Fremantle PulseAudio talks to hw directly Oct 08 06:33:12 why wouldn't it? they likely have an "omap2-dsp-like" module Oct 08 06:33:39 unfortunately, audio interface is different enough Oct 08 06:34:02 so it won't do owners of n8x0 much good Oct 08 06:34:40 heck, if there was a way to just have a simple mmapped buffer Oct 08 06:34:51 with one call to send it to the card Oct 08 06:35:26 we'd have the plugin done in no time Oct 08 06:35:36 unfortunately, n8x0 dsp interface is obscure Oct 08 06:47:02 not really Oct 08 06:47:07 PCM protocol is quite simple Oct 08 06:48:23 orly Oct 08 06:48:35 so why don't we have a working omap2-dsp plugin yet? Oct 08 06:48:43 * RST38h goes back to basics and writes a SEGA MegaDrive game Oct 08 06:48:49 AStorm: cos noone knows pulse API? Oct 08 06:48:54 hehe Oct 08 06:49:00 so the plugin itself is ok? Oct 08 06:49:10 pulse api is trivial (compared to ALSA pcm plugin api) Oct 08 06:49:13 it is OK but it is broken completely Oct 08 06:49:21 it just needs a nice hand Oct 08 06:49:25 broken how? Oct 08 06:49:33 lacking an update to 0.9.18? Oct 08 06:49:36 segfaults after we moved it to new api Oct 08 06:49:36 yeah Oct 08 06:49:44 oh, so you couldn't port it Oct 08 06:49:47 how funnny Oct 08 06:49:51 * AStorm will fix it Oct 08 06:49:55 but, later. Oct 08 06:55:34 Jaffa: poke Oct 08 06:55:47 lo johnx Oct 08 06:55:55 hey Oct 08 06:56:00 got 15 minutes of wifi Oct 08 06:56:04 anyone here from jaffa? Oct 08 06:56:21 johnx: 11 mins ago he said he was at schipol with rsperberg Oct 08 06:56:26 on twitter Oct 08 06:56:48 thanks Oct 08 06:57:01 hi Oct 08 06:57:02 jaffa2: At Schipol airport with rsperberg and paid for a high-speed supplement we're not going to use #maesum Oct 08 06:57:20 wello Oct 08 06:57:47 i have my passport, boarding pass and 2 cats in my suitcase Oct 08 06:58:02 cats? Oct 08 06:58:04 *purr* Oct 08 06:58:33 if you see him on IRC, tell him we'll wait here until 9:10 at the delifrance Oct 08 06:59:17 ok, found rm_you? Oct 08 06:59:23 yup Oct 08 06:59:30 here with fiferboy and rm_you Oct 08 06:59:30 good Oct 08 07:01:12 intending to show up at that bar tonight? Oct 08 07:01:19 yeah Oct 08 07:01:32 k Oct 08 07:04:31 * Stskeeps verifies he has his mer stickers Oct 08 07:06:35 johnx: i'll meet up with lbt and tomaszd and i'll personally be around the hotel at 5pm for a meeting Oct 08 07:06:49 (arriving at 2pm) Oct 08 07:19:26 are there any live video feeds from Maemo Summit? Oct 08 07:19:39 not sure but it will be recorded Oct 08 07:24:55 Sts: As an almost-local, could you tell where and which SIM card should I buy at AMS to get 3-4 days of data access for reasonable fee? Oct 08 07:25:58 RST38h: i'm living in poland and i'm danish, not dutch, so no idea. the others took a 30 EUR Vodafone thing though Oct 08 07:27:31 if you find more about it, do tell me Oct 08 07:27:51 Greetings all! :) Oct 08 07:27:57 Sts: Got it Oct 08 07:28:09 So Vodafone will run for e30... Oct 08 07:28:48 Hey guys, I screwed something up on my tablet and I'm now running two desktops. Anyone got a moment to help me out? Oct 08 07:29:05 it must be a feature =) Oct 08 07:29:24 I typed kill hildon-desktop as root in Xterm and I have no idea what to do next. Oct 08 07:29:45 try running hildon-desktop now Oct 08 07:29:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=341622&postcount=1116 Oct 08 07:29:58 Okay RST. Oct 08 07:30:24 Wait, what do you mean try running hildon-desktop? Oct 08 07:30:27 RST38h: i'm living in poland and i'm danish, not dutch, so no idea. <-- lul :P Oct 08 07:30:57 Stskeeps: lol wut Oct 08 07:31:13 * RST38h naively assumed that all the EU cell phone companies are the same everywhere Oct 08 07:31:17 AStorm: moved to poland last month, warsaw Oct 08 07:32:02 and we haven't met yet? how... typical? ;p Oct 08 07:32:11 heh Oct 08 07:32:15 i'm up for a beer after summit :P Oct 08 07:32:18 or vodka, for that sake Oct 08 07:32:46 anyhow, i gotta go to the airport Oct 08 07:33:23 which reminds me... Oct 08 07:34:08 Hey RST38h, I typed hildon-desktop as root and now I have three desktops. :( Oct 08 07:34:17 umgh Oct 08 07:34:19 ok Oct 08 07:34:29 killall hildon-desktop Oct 08 07:35:07 Don't think I can.... No screen display anymore. The extra desktop took over everythin. Oct 08 07:35:36 Just reboot Oct 08 07:36:01 hahaha Oct 08 07:36:02 Rebooting... Oct 08 07:36:04 interesting Oct 08 07:36:09 more desktops Oct 08 07:36:29 it sounded like his n just grew another screen Oct 08 07:37:09 Okay. I'm back to good again! Thanks! Oct 08 07:37:19 * RST38h sighs Oct 08 07:37:22 Sorry, I rebooted before and I still had two desktops. Oct 08 07:37:43 I didn't think that rebooting a second time would do anything different. Oct 08 07:37:43 ooh, new hermes version Oct 08 07:37:49 * tigert tests Oct 08 07:38:32 Thanks RST38h! :) Oct 08 07:40:38 Design Starting For Matter-Antimatter Collider Oct 08 07:40:52 (you know how it will end =)) Oct 08 07:43:03 sweet Oct 08 07:43:12 lotsa birthdays now in addressbook =) Oct 08 07:52:40 Jaffa: looks like accented chars dont get matche Oct 08 07:52:41 d Oct 08 07:52:52 I have a friend with surname "Isomäki" (a+dots) Oct 08 07:52:56 and it doesnt get matched Oct 08 07:53:09 what's wrong with this line? "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle/extras-devel free non-free" Oct 08 07:53:46 fremantle/extras-devel Oct 08 07:53:48 afaik? Oct 08 07:54:01 should be just fremantle Oct 08 07:55:02 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Oct 08 07:57:05 Jaffa: another case I found is where a persons name was just in nickname field Oct 08 07:57:18 I wonder if it came from my N95 when I synced contacts from there Oct 08 07:58:02 so it didnt match Nickname: John Doe - I wonder how common those cases are and how they happen Oct 08 07:59:15 tigert: appears to come from gtalk contacts Oct 08 07:59:45 ah right Oct 08 08:00:11 * tigert would love a swiss army utility tool for contacts :) Oct 08 08:00:58 wait Oct 08 08:14:10 mhm Oct 08 08:15:32 has anyone been successful in getting Qt to use OpenGL ES 2 in x86 target ? Oct 08 08:15:45 seems like the x86 tries to use opengl 1 Oct 08 08:15:51 where does the fennec beta 4 save its downloaded files? Oct 08 08:16:54 MyDocs/.documents, iirc Oct 08 08:17:22 thanks, that it was :) Oct 08 08:17:54 just define QT_OPENGL_ES_2 ? Oct 08 08:22:22 Ok it compiles with define QT_OPENGL_ES_2, but I can't see the OpenGL ES2 stuff on xephyr for reason or another :( Oct 08 08:23:38 how is amsterdam today? Oct 08 08:24:23 smoky ? :) Oct 08 09:15:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCPjK4nGY4 Oct 08 09:18:10 blah Oct 08 09:18:21 ntpd support is not installed? Oct 08 09:18:25 wtf kind of crap is that? :) Oct 08 09:25:03 in N900? Oct 08 09:26:28 should be possible to compile it and launch it from commandline? Oct 08 09:29:04 tigert: omg, awesome Oct 08 09:34:44 no Oct 08 09:34:50 angstrom Oct 08 09:35:00 touchbook Oct 08 09:35:29 i'm just happy the damn thing decided it wanted to work with my phone otherwise i'd be kind of pissed :) Oct 08 09:35:33 that would suck Oct 08 09:35:35 plays video great Oct 08 09:35:52 does a little light compositing Oct 08 09:35:57 like true transparent terminals Oct 08 09:36:16 it isn't half bad Oct 08 09:36:23 once i figure out the easiest way to add an actual user to it Oct 08 09:36:26 it will be a lot better Oct 08 09:37:11 hm Oct 08 09:44:04 heya everyone Oct 08 09:45:24 you guys know about EBook? i get a static list of contacts with e_book_query_any_field_contains("") and i get the list fine Oct 08 09:45:50 and Oct 08 09:46:23 so what does the list contain? I tried casting the objects in the list to EContact* but this doesnt work. But do I have to do some kind of g_object cast? Oct 08 09:47:02 mmm Oct 08 09:47:48 if you query they should be EContact*:s Oct 08 09:48:24 ok let me double check my code Oct 08 09:48:41 ebook object, equery object, and then econtact Oct 08 09:48:48 ebookquery Oct 08 09:50:23 hi Oct 08 09:51:25 is n900 support w3C geolocation api ? Oct 08 09:51:59 hi all, can the n810 play hd youtube using mplayer + mytube? Oct 08 09:52:49 Hi ! Oct 08 09:53:09 adeus: hmm so i have EBookContact* contact = (EBookContact*)g_list_nth(list, index); Oct 08 09:53:10 No one have made yet a google calendar of the schedule ? or maybe a ics ? Oct 08 09:53:28 i mean of the maemo summit Oct 08 09:53:31 ensi, pastebin Oct 08 09:53:36 adeus: doing g_object_get(contact, "some-property", &prop, NULL); prints a glib warning in the terminal Oct 08 09:53:56 "GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' faile" Oct 08 09:54:00 adeus: no can do Oct 08 09:55:21 the ebook opens properly? Oct 08 09:55:58 yeah Oct 08 09:56:02 i get the list and it has the size expected Oct 08 09:56:31 i have osso_init, osso_abook_init, e_book_blabla_new_system_addressbook and e_book_open no problems Oct 08 09:58:41 I've just used ebook_get_contacts Oct 08 09:58:46 which returns a glist Oct 08 09:58:55 yes thats what i use Oct 08 09:59:07 with a EBookQuery Oct 08 09:59:23 then g_contact = (EContact*)(g_contacts->data); Oct 08 09:59:28 not sure if something is wrong with my 810 Oct 08 10:02:55 adeus: its not working of course the cast succeeds but glib says the contact is not a g object Oct 08 10:06:16 ensi, http://pastebin.ca/1603800 Oct 08 10:06:25 a shortshort example Oct 08 10:06:52 if that doesn't work, then there might be something else wrong than the ebook code.. Oct 08 10:07:52 and I have no idea if this is different in fremantle Oct 08 10:08:40 aha Oct 08 10:08:51 i think the problem is that im trying to access the properties with g_object_get Oct 08 10:09:05 although imho a EContact is a also a gobject Oct 08 10:11:36 heh no i get Oct 08 10:11:42 libebook - e_contact_get: assertion `contact && E_IS_CONTACT (contact)' failed Oct 08 10:12:48 don't worry, I also head some serious head aches even with that a while back :) Oct 08 10:13:09 for example the osso libs won't compile with c++ Oct 08 10:13:20 yeah i discovered this few days ago Oct 08 10:16:21 hmm dunno Oct 08 10:16:24 i'm at my wits end Oct 08 10:16:47 nokia seems to continue where they left off with symbian Oct 08 10:17:02 i.e. doing dev for their phones means asking for pain Oct 08 10:17:14 well ebook is gnome stuff Oct 08 10:17:25 yeah it is Oct 08 10:17:51 but lib-osso-book (which is very badly documented imho) and *should* be used instead of libebook comes from nokia Oct 08 10:18:38 there's a document to it? :) Oct 08 10:18:53 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso-abook/index.html Oct 08 10:19:43 I think I gave up immediately when I saw some enums used c-style Oct 08 10:26:13 aw fucks sake Oct 08 10:26:17 i think i got the problem now Oct 08 10:26:34 g_list_nth doesn't return the object at that index but the f*n list itself Oct 08 10:27:06 yeah Oct 08 10:27:08 thats it1 Oct 08 10:49:56 ehlo all Oct 08 10:50:40 afternoon Oct 08 11:29:41 RST38h: heya Oct 08 11:46:10 does this ring a bell "Error: bad instruction `decl [r2,#0]'" Oct 08 11:46:16 building a qt application Oct 08 11:46:28 compiles ok when target is FREMANTLE_x86 Oct 08 11:46:39 just when changing the target to FREMANTLE_ARMEL it barfs Oct 08 11:47:14 is your arm version correct Oct 08 11:47:51 aka the cross compiler version Oct 08 11:48:19 anyone here boot from flash? Oct 08 11:48:25 from SD card I mean Oct 08 11:48:35 gcc --version Oct 08 11:48:35 sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 Oct 08 11:49:47 just looking at the error it looks like it's creating code for the wrong arm Oct 08 11:51:23 how do I unmount my mmc2 card? when I use: "sudo umount /media/mmc2" I get am error "Device or resource busy" Oct 08 11:53:42 is someone using it? Oct 08 11:53:51 sudo fuser /media/mmc2 Oct 08 11:55:28 adeus, that command returns nothing Oct 08 11:55:35 just goeas to another prompt Oct 08 11:55:57 does that mean no one is using it? Oct 08 11:56:12 well, yes Oct 08 11:56:16 asuming the command works Oct 08 11:56:18 =/ Oct 08 11:56:58 lsof lists file handles, maybe grep that list as well Oct 08 11:57:03 basically I just want to re-copy the os that I have on the N800s flash memory, my original installation, back onto the SD card. my current installation became corrupt or something Oct 08 12:01:25 well I'll try in the morning Oct 08 12:01:26 nn Oct 08 12:11:58 # Appears as TIKI Oct 08 12:12:14 (#G010E210M1) SOUND Flourish.mid  Oct 08 12:12:53 wow, not seen *that* abomination in a while Oct 08 12:13:37 it is still possible to download ms comic chat from somewhere? :-o Oct 08 12:14:40 suihkulokki: that is not dead that can eternal linger on abandoned app sites Oct 08 12:20:50 haha Oct 08 12:21:04 What the fsck was that? Some MSN extension or what? Oct 08 12:21:22 ms comic chat Oct 08 12:21:27 heh. Oct 08 12:21:43 go look it up if you have the SAN points to spare Oct 08 12:25:34 mhhh. I did something in my C code and now, at some point all my buttons don't un-press anymore (they remain pressed) and there's lots of runtime errors like GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Oct 08 12:25:47 any clues from this vague description? >.> Oct 08 12:39:33 In my main function, I connect a button click to another function and I pass a struct as Data, with one of the members being the pointer to the main window, and another member being a pointer to a CURL *curl. I need the main window pointer because the function called from main displays a banner. This part seems to work without problems. But then if I do info->curl = login_to_site(info->curl); in the function (login_to_site returning a ... Oct 08 12:39:40 ... *curl), gtk craps out and loses touch to the button or something. The button remains clicked and doesn't react anymore. the rest of the app continues working. Oct 08 12:42:45 ok, it seems like the crap out happens as soon as the subfunction does curl = curl_easy_init(); Oct 08 12:42:53 really weird Oct 08 13:32:14 ok Oct 08 13:32:30 i think i'm about to give up on this touchbook unless i can find another WORKING os for it Oct 08 14:07:48 i need to find a way to get rid of all of these part/join messages Oct 08 14:08:21 what irc client Oct 08 14:08:37 you typically want "conference" mode Oct 08 14:09:56 wow Oct 08 14:09:57 i found it Oct 08 14:09:59 this damn touchbook seems fail Oct 08 14:10:02 at least the os does Oct 08 14:10:02 i'm using irssi Oct 08 14:13:48 quit Oct 08 14:14:34 /ignore * join part Oct 08 14:14:38 seems to work Oct 08 14:17:21 is there an IRC channel for the summit? Oct 08 14:17:48 will the talks be recorded and where can we find them online? Oct 08 14:18:20 or better - any plans to do live streaming? Oct 08 14:18:41 am reading the maemo wiki - but not seeing specifics Oct 08 14:20:26 hrm that didn't work Oct 08 14:28:06 ahihihi the community mailing list just *CRACKS* me up Oct 08 14:28:10 i tried to install python-hildon in fremantle final sdk with apt-get for x86 target Oct 08 14:28:14 and it doesn't exist Oct 08 14:28:23 is it in a different repo to normal? Oct 08 14:29:54 zaheerm: it should have been there , do you have extras-devel in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? Oct 08 14:30:37 lizardo, nope Oct 08 14:31:18 Af'noon from Amsterdam Oct 08 14:31:29 Jaffa, is it cold? Oct 08 14:31:39 my flight gets there tomorrow morning Oct 08 14:31:52 Jaffa: Afternoon! Oct 08 14:32:15 zaheerm: It's warm in the sun, but cool breeze Oct 08 14:32:37 Jaffa, great to hear the sun is out Oct 08 14:32:45 tigert: Improving both of those issues should b pssible Oct 08 14:33:06 zaheerm: well, you need it ;) Oct 08 14:33:18 lizardo, thx am adding it now Oct 08 14:37:07 for anyone in the USA unable to make the summit, there is a GNOME Summit in Boston at MIT this weekend Oct 08 14:39:03 is the releasedate out YET?! Oct 08 14:42:20 * wazd is too dumb to install SDK :( Oct 08 14:42:26 hi Oct 08 14:42:38 * timeless still needs a place to crash Oct 08 14:42:50 someone mentioned someone a while ago Oct 08 14:43:17 is everyone basically staying downtown and using transit to get to the event? Oct 08 14:44:24 wazd, stick to mer ;) Oct 08 14:44:39 timeless: hah :) Oct 08 14:44:58 timeless: somehow scratchbox instalation script does nothing Oct 08 14:45:27 it says "everything is OK" and exits Oct 08 14:47:13 seriously Oct 08 14:47:46 timeless: well, I have lots of stuff to do in both fields :) Oct 08 14:51:35 i have a list of things from fremantle that need replacing :) Oct 08 14:52:40 timeless: I'm graphics only guy :) Oct 08 15:10:23 where is the ultimate patch for drag lock home applet??? Oct 08 15:14:52 Hi all. After some playing with Fremantle SDK (yes I know, sounds silly), some widgets lost their textual representation; for example, the time widget now displays "wdgt_va_24h_time". Maybe, it is the only clock widget who is broken, as the other interface seems good. Seems like only the translation is broken. Any hint which files could be affected/what package could be reinstalled, or something? Oct 08 15:17:20 where is the ultimate patch for drag lock home applet??? please Oct 08 15:28:07 user_: http://qwerty12.qole.org/hildon-desktop/ ? Oct 08 15:28:49 yes i find the 3 files...but nothing can be installed properly...you have a tricks? Oct 08 15:29:25 nope, sorry Oct 08 15:30:16 ok... Oct 08 15:36:50 Total of 354 nicks <- wow O_O Oct 08 15:37:35 Do you guys believe that android has any way of competing with maemo when it comes to third party drivers and software ? Oct 08 15:38:45 Time will tell Oct 08 15:38:51 Ask again in 2012. Oct 08 15:38:53 well, they both have been released Oct 08 15:39:11 Maemo 5 hasn't. Oct 08 15:39:18 well - released to users Oct 08 15:39:42 Compare the number of available android apps, and maemo5. Oct 08 15:39:48 android wins totally at the moment Oct 08 15:39:58 And what do you mean by drivers? Oct 08 15:39:58 Personally I see maemo as a lot more linux desktop a like than android. For example android is lacking GNU C libary and seems to have no direct ports from linux desktop machines Oct 08 15:40:15 SpeedEvil: well. For example fuse Oct 08 15:40:37 Yes, Maemo is more or less regular old Linux. Oct 08 15:40:42 You can use any - in principle - linux software. Oct 08 15:40:57 you may need to port it to get it to display sanely - and get it looking pretty. Oct 08 15:41:04 ok, so I can basically run irssi locally ? Oct 08 15:41:07 yes Oct 08 15:41:13 Or BitchX, or ..... Oct 08 15:41:16 :-) Oct 08 15:41:33 you can even let other people ssh in and use their own copy of irssi Oct 08 15:41:38 I'm telling you. this is too awsome. Wonder if Su8w keyboard will be supported out of the box Oct 08 15:41:47 It is very awesome. Oct 08 15:41:49 Su8w? Oct 08 15:41:57 SpeedEvil: bluetooth keyboard made by nokia Oct 08 15:42:02 I disagree it's too awesome. Oct 08 15:42:27 Nokia's being weird about Bluetooth keyboards in Maemo 5. Oct 08 15:42:41 For some reason they seem to have decided they're no longer a valid use-case. Oct 08 15:42:45 and removed official support Oct 08 15:42:58 :o Oct 08 15:43:00 The Bluetooth stack is just BlueZ, though, so it's not really a real issue. Oct 08 15:43:01 * SpeedEvil stabs random marketoid decisions. Oct 08 15:43:21 Well, I guess it is possible for community to program drivers for it O_o Oct 08 15:43:33 SpeedEvil, the whole "let's kill all of the ctrl shortcuts and make the arrow keys not work in random places" thing is their fault, too. Oct 08 15:43:38 :/ Oct 08 15:43:41 Hoxzer, like I said, it's just BlueZ. Oct 08 15:43:58 One of the BlueZ devs has a talk at the Summit about just that. Oct 08 15:44:04 GeneralAntilles: Same philosophy that removed find next/last from / searching on firefox. Oct 08 15:44:28 SpeedEvil, ctrl-l would make a fantastic shortcut in the browser for entering a URL when you're in fullscreen. Oct 08 15:44:33 But, nooooo, we can't have that. Oct 08 15:44:39 You can't even use the arrow keys on the awesome bar. Oct 08 15:44:51 Is there live streaming of the summit? Oct 08 15:44:52 :/ Oct 08 15:45:10 What's more fun is that the enter key is actually KP_Enter Oct 08 15:45:19 So typing things in on the SDK is super fun. :D Oct 08 15:45:45 Dunno that there'll be bandwidth for live streaming Oct 08 15:45:48 It should all be being recorded, however. Oct 08 15:45:58 and there'll probably be live IRC transcripts for most stuff. ;) Oct 08 15:46:38 is it possible to write transparent desktop widgets? Oct 08 15:46:45 the OSM conference was good that way - live streaming mostly worked Oct 08 15:47:04 (openstreetmap) Oct 08 15:47:25 i ported an app i wrote from gnome to be a desktop widget in fremantle, but it lost its transparency behaviour Oct 08 15:47:25 zaheerm, sure. Oct 08 15:48:14 it doesn't help that i can't see documentation of HildonHomePluginItem Oct 08 15:48:20 zaheerm, I'm unable to recall off-hand what the exact procedure is, but this may help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide Oct 08 15:48:58 Maybe this more specifically: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_Desktop_Widgets Oct 08 15:50:19 You may also want to take a look at this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/personal-gprs-mon/ Oct 08 15:50:31 GeneralAntilles, thx a lot! Oct 08 15:55:52 FFFFFUUUU ALLL!!!! Oct 08 15:55:57 I mean heya Oct 08 15:56:06 SUCK MY BALLS Oct 08 15:56:10 Erm, I mean hi Oct 08 15:56:19 qwerty12: common typo :D Oct 08 15:56:49 Yeah, I mean, the keys are so near each other. WTF? :p Oct 08 15:57:38 Reenacting http://bash.org quotes is NOT COOL. Oct 08 15:57:45 GeneralAntilles == not cool Oct 08 15:58:11 Go piss off to one of Florida's many swamp pits. :p Oct 08 15:59:23 GeneralAntilles: you seriously think that I've read whole zillion of bash.org quotes? You're right :D Oct 08 15:59:40 * qwerty12 admits to the same crime as wazd :( Oct 08 15:59:54 I have a friend whose freshman roommate narrated most of them to him over the course of a semester. Oct 08 16:00:08 GeneralAntilles: oh my :) Oct 08 16:00:24 GeneralAntilles: in voice-over? :D Oct 08 16:00:33 Thank God this was an narration and not a reenactment Oct 08 16:00:36 *a Oct 08 16:01:03 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the lack of Thanks on Talk. Oct 08 16:01:42 GeneralAntilles: If you need some more laughs, I can remove my Thanks from your posts Oct 08 16:01:48 new SDK doesn't like me :( Oct 08 16:02:44 scratchbox install file does nothing Oct 08 16:03:02 wazd: elaborate, please :p Oct 08 16:03:25 * SpeedEvil gets out his wizard robe and hat. Oct 08 16:04:02 well Oct 08 16:04:06 SpeedEvil: Role-play? You want #cybersex... Oct 08 16:04:31 wazd, isn't the VMWare image out yet? Oct 08 16:04:59 GeneralAntilles: I saw Quim posted bout it but there's none on it's homepage Oct 08 16:05:08 * qwerty12 laughs at all you people wanting VMware images. Installing Xubuntu and the SDK only took an hour in VMware Oct 08 16:05:18 Yeah, that's what I did. Oct 08 16:05:20 qwerty12: fffuuuuu :D Oct 08 16:05:23 wazd, what are you installing on? Oct 08 16:05:32 GeneralAntilles: VMWare ubuntu Oct 08 16:05:45 What's the trouble? Oct 08 16:05:50 qwerty12: You'll take centiry to draw 64x64 icon :P Oct 08 16:05:55 century* Oct 08 16:06:13 I can draw a circle! Oct 08 16:06:28 mspaint FTW Oct 08 16:06:35 I follow installation instructions Oct 08 16:06:52 wazd, OK, pastebin the error. :P Oct 08 16:07:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation <- that one Oct 08 16:08:20 GeneralAntilles: wait a sec Oct 08 16:09:06 tadam Oct 08 16:10:12 iwazd? Oct 08 16:10:23 http://pastebin.com/m685a56db Oct 08 16:10:52 "What do you want from meeee?!!!!" cry not helped :) Oct 08 16:11:19 uwazd, lines 29-33 you'll want to follow. Oct 08 16:12:18 ooooooh! Oct 08 16:12:24 It does something! :D Oct 08 16:13:16 GeneralAntilles: have you solved your documents problems? Oct 08 16:13:36 uwazd, inasmuch as my passport is getting here Monday. <_< Oct 08 16:13:51 GeneralAntilles: :( Oct 08 16:14:27 GeneralAntilles: Use the passport to buy some nukes from another country and utilize it against the pricks who fucked up Oct 08 16:14:43 *the nukes Oct 08 16:14:54 qwerty12, sadly that wont get me to the Summit this year. :( Oct 08 16:14:54 Gah, I can't type for shit Oct 08 16:15:00 qwerty12: easy to say for a person without any passport :D Oct 08 16:15:04 True :( Oct 08 16:15:12 hrm Oct 08 16:15:29 uwazd: Yes, but not having a passport is my fault :p Oct 08 16:15:41 GeneralAntilles: well, I hope there will be some another event during first half of next year so we can partici[ate :) Oct 08 16:16:58 qwerty12: if you won't be ready before it - I'll say my friend Roman to take care of you :D Oct 08 16:17:05 At the very least I'm planning on trying to arrange a meetup in Canada in the March/April/May timeframe. Oct 08 16:17:17 uwazd: :D Oct 08 16:20:41 will maesum have any official video streaming channel or something? Oct 08 16:21:01 panaggio: only dove mail Oct 08 16:21:36 panaggio: I think not Oct 08 16:21:49 panaggio: cause there will be a lot of stuff going on same time Oct 08 16:23:47 hhmh, is “maemo sdk+” a viable solution for maemo 5 sdk? Oct 08 16:24:38 uwazd: (*may be a dumb question) what's dove mail? Oct 08 16:25:46 panaggio: same as pigeon :) Oct 08 16:27:32 Failed to fetch http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host/pool/debian-lenny/free/source/maemo-sdk-libs_0.9.35.tar.gz 404 Not Found Oct 08 16:27:35 mpf. Oct 08 16:28:28 uwazd: dove mail == pigeon post? (probably it's still a dumb question) Oct 08 16:29:44 panaggio: dude :D Oct 08 16:30:53 panaggio: btw, I think there will be IRC casts Oct 08 16:31:57 wazd: better than nothing =) Oct 08 16:32:08 is there a specific microblogging tag that is being used for the summit? Oct 08 16:32:17 mtc: #maesum Oct 08 16:32:35 ty Oct 08 16:38:19 Maybe I am missing something, but seems like if you are building a python extension (Architecture: any) for Fremantle and use cdbs, there is a bug in Fremantle cdbs (=0.4.52-maemo2) which calls the system default Python (2.3)) even for building scripts which require higher Python version (XS-Python-Version: >= 2.4) Oct 08 16:38:54 CDBS is a bug Oct 08 16:39:28 qwerty12: We need to persuade Numpy authors Oct 08 16:39:47 Not sure how to do it properly in CDBS without wanting to kill yourself, but get it to invoke python2.5 directly (scratchbox redirects python to its own internal version) Oct 08 16:40:10 I am trying to port Numpy to Maemo. Oct 08 16:40:33 Mostly succeeded. If I create a temporary redirect from "python" to python2.5 Oct 08 16:40:59 is youtube down? Oct 08 16:41:09 But I bet one shouldn't do that in a proper package, should one? Oct 08 16:41:19 wazd: Up for me Oct 08 16:41:30 Honeyman: Don't worry, Scratchbox is far from perfect... Oct 08 16:41:37 Honeyman: hmmm Oct 08 16:41:53 wazd, I read that as "IRC castes" for some reason. Oct 08 16:42:05 qwerty12: hey... Oct 08 16:42:26 do you mean that in proper Fremantle, there will be python2.5 as a default? Oct 08 16:42:35 GeneralAntilles: why not :D Oct 08 16:43:33 Honeyman: Not by default, no, but you will be able to install it on a device and have /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5 because there is no scratchbox to annoy Oct 08 16:44:22 Honeyman: In some CDBS packages, I've used the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE to tell it to stop redirecting python, but I've also had to play with $PATH because the folder in which scratchbox's Python resides appears before /usr/bin/ Oct 08 16:44:30 s/SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE/SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE variable/ Oct 08 16:44:31 qwerty12 meant: Honeyman: In some CDBS packages, I've used the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE variable to tell it to stop redirecting python, but I've also had to play with $PATH because the folder in which scratchbox's Python resides appears before /usr/bin/ Oct 08 16:46:27 wazd, you can be our first untouchable. :P Oct 08 16:48:18 Red Pill mode FTW Oct 08 16:50:41 qwerty12: that is, it is possible that it doesn't build on my scratchbox but perfectly builds on autobuilder, isn't it? Oct 08 16:51:24 hmm, the user list is rather large for irssi heh Oct 08 16:51:47 Honeyman: Well, the Autobuilder uses Scratchbox too... Oct 08 16:54:15 qwerty12: then... I don't know :( Can we play with the PATH right in the debian/rules? Oct 08 16:55:17 Honeyman: I do it like this: http://pastebin.com/d531dee74 Oct 08 16:55:23 oh, it's done! Oct 08 16:55:56 But that doesn't help too. /scratchbox/tools/bin/python is 2.3, but /usr/bin/python is 2.3 too Oct 08 16:56:13 /usr/bin/python is being redirected to /scratchbox/tools/bin/python Oct 08 16:57:14 qwerty12: by the scratchbox means? Oct 08 16:57:21 If you've got the python2.5 package installed, export those variables in Scratchbox at the shell and notice the /usr/bin/python version then Oct 08 16:57:22 Yep Oct 08 16:57:40 O_o how do they do that? I just realized it. Oct 08 16:58:03 ls -la /usr/bin/python gives /usr/bin/python -> python2.5, but /usr/bin/python gives python2.3 Oct 08 17:00:33 qwerty12: thanks a lot. The package seems building with little to none changes from the Debian one. Oct 08 17:01:20 is there going to be some sort of composite manager on fremantle? Oct 08 17:07:48 hmhm, in the scratchbox tools, which part exactly are opensource? Oct 08 17:08:05 rah, scratchbox-1.0.17.tar.gz has a debian/ folder but it's just unusable Oct 08 17:08:23 no way anyone can build something with it Oct 08 17:12:26 Anybody has an idea where one can find /usr/share/python/python.mk in Fremantle? Or if is there any page for the repositories, where you can search a package for a file. Oct 08 17:13:26 In Debian, it goes in "python" package Oct 08 17:22:10 Anyone occasionally have the /usr/share/python/python.mk installed? If so, from what package does it go? Oct 08 17:23:53 Stskeeps: yo? Oct 08 17:24:06 Jaffa: yo? Oct 08 17:24:50 anyone in amsterdam: yo? Oct 08 17:25:47 I'm 1 step away from seing maemo 5 Oct 08 17:25:49 rm_you: Everyone in Amsterdam is either in a coffee shop or the other areas of the Red Light District. So, I'd look there first... Oct 08 17:25:59 af-sb-init.sh start <- command not found Oct 08 17:26:16 so.... where do we go to find them? Oct 08 17:26:21 wazd_: add maemo-binaries repository and apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps Oct 08 17:26:26 what coffee shop Oct 08 17:27:03 * qwerty12 should've added an "I'm taking the piss, I'm a prick" tag Oct 08 17:27:08 qwerty12it says "couldn't find package Oct 08 17:27:28 let the vandersexxx begin! Oct 08 17:28:26 Woo, my passport is here! Oct 08 17:28:30 * GeneralAntilles slow clap. Oct 08 17:28:37 wazd: "Until we hear the safe word, we will not stop." Oct 08 17:29:12 qwerty12 what sould I do to make it find packages? :) Oct 08 17:29:34 GeneralAntilles: you still have the time to pack your bags :D Oct 08 17:29:47 wazd: A sec, looking for the goddam link... Oct 08 17:29:58 wazd: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php Oct 08 17:30:17 wazd, slot's been taken, room's been taken, tickets are cancelled. Oct 08 17:30:25 wazd: Accept it, add the repository and then fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps Oct 08 17:31:19 Ha! http://talk.maemo.org/tags.php?tag=joe+v.+the+volcano Oct 08 17:32:05 GeneralAntilles: bad luck :( Oct 08 17:32:09 I like that tag :D Oct 08 17:32:52 Only 28 hours too late. Oct 08 17:33:46 qwerty12: quick manual for vi? :D Oct 08 17:33:52 :wq Oct 08 17:34:24 someone help me find the name of the coffe shop where people are Oct 08 17:35:03 wazd_: I barely know it myself... 'i' in the keyboard to go into insert mode, Escape to get out of it, and Shift-ZZ to quit and save Oct 08 17:35:14 qwerty12: ? :) Oct 08 17:35:22 qwerty12: nm, already found it :) Oct 08 17:35:45 rm_you: Sorry, I was taking the piss.. Tried Twitter? :) Oct 08 17:36:11 wazd, the one that's built-in. Oct 08 17:36:27 rm_you, people where mentioning a park in the mailing list. Oct 08 17:36:30 on n800. assistance appreciated? :) Oct 08 17:39:13 hi, can anybody tell me if i can mirror repository.maemo.org ? and how ? Oct 08 17:43:05 still command not found Oct 08 17:44:39 wazd_: OK, after saving the new sources.list, did you apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps ? Oct 08 17:46:47 alright, cant figure out where people are... heading back to hotel lobby in hopes of finding someone eldse more in-the-loop than myself Oct 08 17:48:25 qwerty12: all ok, slow but it's running :) Oct 08 17:49:04 rm_you, qole should be online. Oct 08 17:49:24 hrm, my AIM isnt workin Oct 08 17:49:32 and he doesnt irc Oct 08 17:50:02 email Oct 08 17:50:12 * pupnik is excited for tomorrow Oct 08 17:50:52 weeee :) Oct 08 17:51:39 cz8s, google: mirror debian repository Oct 08 17:52:45 or "how do i download the internet?" Oct 08 17:53:26 wazd: Drink some vodka, or something, and pretend it's fast :p Oct 08 17:54:38 is scratchbox supposed to provide an interface just like on the n900? When I run it with the x emulator I just get a destop backgroup, and no widgets like are in the demo videos. Oct 08 17:56:03 and it has strange color glithces :) Oct 08 17:58:29 wirelessdreamer, it's not an emulator, no. Oct 08 17:58:36 wirelessdreamer, but it's a close approximation. Oct 08 17:58:42 wirelessdreamer, you can add more desktop widgets. Oct 08 17:58:43 hi ;) Oct 08 18:00:51 wirelessdreamer: are you using the 5.0 final sdk? afaik the beta sdk provides nothing but a background Oct 08 18:04:14 oops, it crashed :) Oct 08 18:08:30 would someone know what processes are executed when plugging in a camera in a N810? Oct 08 18:08:33 Flyser_: I'm using the beta sdk Oct 08 18:08:41 I haven't seen a final sdk, is it official? Oct 08 18:10:47 wirelessdreamer: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/maemo-5-final-sdk-released-go-extras/ Oct 08 18:14:44 * JosefAssad who has never pre-ordered anything just pre-ordered an N900 Oct 08 18:16:03 Will it be first time unlucky? :p Oct 08 18:16:24 * luke-jr_ doesn't get why people pre-order anything. Oct 08 18:16:46 Same, I'm not really into pre-ordering myself Oct 08 18:17:08 why not just wait until the day it's available for ordering? Oct 08 18:19:28 qwerty12: mostly because this way I am spared the agony of debating the investment when I know that I'll just end up buying it anyhow Oct 08 18:20:32 Heh Oct 08 18:20:38 do-or-die :p Oct 08 18:21:33 pretty much. :) Oct 08 18:21:52 JosefAssad: fail Oct 08 18:22:17 luke-jr_: wouldn't be my first fail, but why? Oct 08 18:22:43 plus you're likely to get it a few weeks before it has good availabilty Oct 08 18:22:50 now you have no leverage Oct 08 18:23:08 now you're paying $$$ for a device that inevitably Nokia still owns Oct 08 18:23:12 because it's closed Oct 08 18:23:16 FFS Oct 08 18:23:33 ... Oct 08 18:23:38 hi all... where can i find the diferent between liblocation and gpsbt,gps.h? because im not understanting Oct 08 18:24:30 * luke-jr_ sees the "err, who cares? I use Windows too" look on JosefAssad's face. Oct 08 18:25:13 luke-jr_: well when you release your open hardware open software phone you can also have my money. Until then, this is the best attempt I've seen at converging a phone and a computer without fettering developers. Oct 08 18:25:38 I can't seem to find a guide on how to upgrade the SDK from latest beta to final on a non-debian host... Oct 08 18:25:41 any clues? Oct 08 18:25:53 JosefAssad: open hardware is beyond grasp for now. I just want open software. Oct 08 18:26:04 * microlith sees luke-jr_ go full zealot and drive more people away Oct 08 18:26:32 microlith: I'm not even half way to full zealot Oct 08 18:26:40 I'm tolerating closed hardware and firmware Oct 08 18:26:45 just insist on software being open Oct 08 18:27:08 ok, well I won't feed the troll. I'm still happy this thing's coming out. Oct 08 18:27:25 * luke-jr_ is more likely to get a Pandora Oct 08 18:28:05 or HTC Touch Pro2, if those guys ever get it running Linux Oct 08 18:28:32 JosefAssad, sorry about the trolls. ;) Oct 08 18:28:33 lol Oct 08 18:29:14 the "X is not open so I'm going to get the more closed Y instead" argument all over :) Oct 08 18:29:39 ShadowJK: I don't care how it ships, as long as it's open when I'm using it. Oct 08 18:29:55 ShadowJK: X isn't open? /me aptitude removes xorg Oct 08 18:30:04 Why do device makers think people want some custom proprietary OS? Oct 08 18:30:16 they should just provide the (open) drivers to support existing OS Oct 08 18:30:43 then I can run Gentoo, you run Ubuntu, and JosefAssad run Windows CE Oct 08 18:30:44 * luke-jr_ runs Oct 08 18:30:55 Why do zealots think anything but a very small minority cares about fully open hardware and software? Oct 08 18:31:02 atleast phonet (or was it fonet?) is open and in mainline kernel :) Oct 08 18:31:07 GeneralAntilles: As an enterprise open source advocate, my skin is troll-hardened. :) Oct 08 18:31:09 GeneralAntilles: you're putting words in my mouth again Oct 08 18:31:18 GeneralAntilles: I have no qualm with closed hardware (yet) Oct 08 18:31:27 qwerty12: thanks for the link Oct 08 18:31:45 oh Oct 08 18:31:54 and Macer can run his Solaris or whatever Oct 08 18:31:56 ;) Oct 08 18:32:28 Can I run DOS? Oct 08 18:32:30 :) Oct 08 18:32:46 sure! Oct 08 18:32:56 but good luck finding ARM DOS apps Oct 08 18:32:58 <.< Oct 08 18:33:49 and a bios that runs on arm.. Oct 08 18:36:03 anyone know what the talk at maemo work by the people from blender is on? Oct 08 18:36:20 I'd love to hear a blender package with game engine and python support runs on the n900 =) Oct 08 18:36:31 *work=summit Oct 08 18:36:37 brain fart :) Oct 08 18:37:15 I'd love to have a blender that can import Collada :/ Oct 08 18:37:49 the official sdk installer seems busted its trying to get the gpg key http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg . . which doesn't exist on that server Oct 08 19:04:50 zerojay! Oct 08 19:15:43 ,away summer vacation: @train(prague), amsterdam Oct 08 19:17:29 is it really easy to make all traffic in maemo go through a vpn ? just asking as prob gonna get a n900 with tmobile uk, but in fair usage policy, not allowed to use istant messaging apps or watch any internet videos (ala youtube etc) Oct 08 19:17:55 Hi Oct 08 19:21:04 kynky: I am unsure if it will do that. However - it's a linux system. You have root. Oct 08 19:21:19 It would be a good thing to add. Oct 08 19:21:50 welli know linux pretty well, so guess should be easy todo Oct 08 19:22:56 +- Oct 08 19:23:20 zerojay, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=342044 Oct 08 19:23:42 so that [rob answers my next question, of when roaming, want to turn of data 3g, as will be expensive when abroad, but still want to recieve txt messages, guess its aknowing linux answer, or just ring mobile company and ask the to turn off data services on my account, while im on holiday Oct 08 19:24:11 I'd really love to see a polished set of DE enhancements nice Maemo's UI team seems dead set against usability in favor of simplification. Oct 08 19:30:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=341969#post341969 <- sick :D Oct 08 19:31:33 http://pastie.org/647341 here are some code segments of my app, just the main structure of it with most parts missing. My problem is that in line 18, info->logged_in seems to be neither TRUE nor FALSE and I don't understand why. I set it to FALSE in line 38 and pass the pointer to the struct in the connect in line 42. I don't get it... Oct 08 19:33:37 Shapeshifter: would info->logged_in not give you the pointer to logged_in, rather than the value of logged_in? Oct 08 19:33:58 Shapeshifter: The first argument of your callback signature should be the button you're passing, I belive Oct 08 19:34:23 qwerty12_N810: the button is not the problem. it works. banner appears if I put it outside of the if statement etc. Oct 08 19:34:33 Woolly: logged_in in the struct is not a pointer... Oct 08 19:35:16 info->logged_in should be the value of it Oct 08 19:35:33 just as info->window is the pointer "*window", no? Oct 08 19:36:26 I suppose. My C knowledge has never been particularly good :D Oct 08 19:37:17 Is this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/Quick%20Start%20Guide/ the right starting point in general for someone interested in getting started with maemo 5 development? Oct 08 19:39:18 Shapeshifter: don't statically declare one SharedInfo then a pointer, just create *infoStruct and allocate the memory Oct 08 19:43:01 can someone explain me what "af-sb-init.sh start" should do? i get only advertisement:-) Oct 08 19:43:32 hm, native gtk code is automatically styled with hildon? (maemo5) Oct 08 19:44:53 BluesLee, did you start Zephyr from a regular xterm? Oct 08 19:44:53 how do i strat the canedar for instance? Oct 08 19:44:57 GeneralAntilles: yes Oct 08 19:45:09 Did you export the display variable in scratchbox? Oct 08 19:45:19 GeneralAntilles: yes Oct 08 19:45:27 Are you getting a desktop? Oct 08 19:45:38 * GeneralAntilles isn't sure what you mean by "advertisements". Oct 08 19:46:02 GeneralAntilles: i also get something in xepyr but it looks like advertisment, flickr, youtube, ovi ... Oct 08 19:46:14 BluesLee, those are desktop bookmarks. Oct 08 19:46:20 BluesLee, did you install nokia-apps? Oct 08 19:46:53 GeneralAntilles: step 7 with eula... yes Oct 08 19:47:14 BluesLee, OK, click the little blue icon in the upper left corner. Oct 08 19:47:24 * GeneralAntilles is asking all of the wrong questions. ;) Oct 08 19:47:31 GeneralAntilles: i use this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Oct 08 19:48:06 GeneralAntilles: i see, there are no icons there but there is interaction Oct 08 19:48:20 No icons when you bring up the applications menu? Oct 08 19:48:47 GeneralAntilles: one moment, i will make a screenie Oct 08 19:50:17 GeneralAntilles: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/94e0421358b5f425ca60c907b90254a3.jpg Oct 08 19:50:45 Weird Oct 08 19:50:47 Maybe a driver issue? Oct 08 19:51:19 GeneralAntilles: hmm, if i click on the top i get the youtube webpage for a second or so Oct 08 19:51:51 i will retry it Oct 08 19:54:58 GeneralAntilles: its starts with a little twitter box in th eleft corner Oct 08 19:55:47 GeneralAntilles: clicking on it gives me the posted screen Oct 08 19:55:51 hey, mu installation has become corrupt, I want to copy my original installation located on the N800s flash memory to the SD card I currently boot from, can I do this without having to reflash the whole thing? Oct 08 19:57:43 I'm trying by just booting from the flash, and trying to repartition/format the mmc2 card, but it wont let me umount it, says it is busy... Oct 08 19:58:15 GeneralAntilles: i get messages like Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0". Oct 08 20:03:32 cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy :( Oct 08 20:03:33 directory permissions are messed up on http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle It doesn't allow directory listing, so the sdk installer won't run, because it needs a gpg key from there Oct 08 20:04:27 how do I make it unbusy? :P Oct 08 20:15:50 there must be a scientific theory behind the "why does lardman still apear on maemo.org frontpage" question. Oct 08 20:16:48 Because he's a badass motherfucker. Oct 08 20:17:05 hardly scientific :P Oct 08 20:17:11 but I get the hint :D Oct 08 20:17:12 He's been doing "favours" for X-Fade Oct 08 20:17:18 Damnit Oct 08 20:17:28 I was going to say "Niels in love." Oct 08 20:17:40 lol. Oct 08 20:17:59 even tho if Niels was in love with him I would've expected more. Oct 08 20:18:05 like "free pass" to extras-stable. Oct 08 20:20:52 "Go directly to extras. Do not pass extras-testing. Do not collect 10 karma points." Oct 08 20:21:20 That would be too obvious. Oct 08 20:21:28 "Niels: Then come back to me" Oct 08 20:21:40 Man, X-Fade is gonna kill me Oct 08 20:21:57 ... finally. :) Oct 08 20:22:34 I, er, don't know how to respond to that. I'll go cry Oct 08 20:23:55 Good choice. Oct 08 20:24:06 * javispedro goes to read his daily intake of tmo and maemo fansites idiocracy. Oct 08 20:24:23 It's like cocaine. Oct 08 20:24:32 You know it's bad for you but the rush is too hard to pass up. :P Oct 08 20:24:38 I heard the worst of them all was http://javispedro.com/ Oct 08 20:25:19 qwerty12_N810: there was a time I didn't know what to put there, and thus that domain spent nearly 5 years showing my "Hello World" PHP page. Oct 08 20:26:20 awwwww my favourite idiocratic site is already down. Oct 08 20:26:30 Meh, I just use any space I have as a file dump Oct 08 20:26:34 the sdk is boring ... Oct 08 20:26:37 Man, that guy really love SNES Oct 08 20:27:06 GAN800: I know who you are. Your nick hiding tricks don't work with me! Oct 08 20:27:23 javispedro <-- cyber-stalker Oct 08 20:27:25 looks like a have a problem with xephyr Oct 08 20:27:37 * GAN800 wraps his cape over his face and runs into the shadows. Oct 08 20:27:48 The SDK is meant to allow development, not to act as a drool receptacle. Oct 08 20:27:50 GAN800: Don't go near any bushes! Oct 08 20:28:09 javispedro: just a joke ... Oct 08 20:28:16 BluesLee, clearly an opportunity for you to fill it with sweet applications. ;) Oct 08 20:28:25 javispedro: i will find the problem and eliminate it Oct 08 20:28:47 BluesLee: don't worry, in fact I drooled over it for quite a few hours hehe Oct 08 20:29:46 GAN800: i am not a developer, i just wanted to see what i will get in some weeks/months Oct 08 20:30:11 BluesLee, the SDK isn't a great demo, unfortunately. Oct 08 20:30:26 Much better than previous versions of Maemo, but still not quite like the real deal. Oct 08 20:31:11 GeneralAntilles: it looks okay for me http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK/Discover_Maemo_5 Oct 08 20:31:33 BluesLee: Now look at an N900 review :p Oct 08 20:31:35 GeneralAntilles: its better than other solutions i saw on other devices Oct 08 20:31:55 qwerty12_N810: i read all of them;-) Oct 08 20:32:19 Hi guys, I just finished port of Project Diaspora (MMO Game) for N8x0 ... Im doing more tests ... you can look at shoots here http://www.nighsoft.com/ Oct 08 20:52:10 so, on which TV network I can watch the latest developments in the summit? Oct 08 20:52:37 moo beer Oct 08 20:52:52 hello Sts Oct 08 20:53:34 Stskeeps: Cows are ordinarily milked for milk, but as you wish... Oct 08 20:53:51 hehe Oct 08 20:54:44 javispedro: people mostly registered and then crashed a bar Oct 08 20:55:14 ah, and they found the beer cows there. =) Oct 08 20:57:46 lol Oct 08 21:04:28 havent seen any streams announced Oct 08 21:30:11 sigh at tmo... Oct 08 21:30:26 ooooh, a live stream would be nice Oct 08 21:30:50 with all the tablets it wouldnt have enough bw Oct 08 21:31:46 hello :) Oct 08 21:31:48 yeah, bambuser or something similiar would be cool Oct 08 21:31:51 from amsterdam Oct 08 21:31:56 howdy Oct 08 21:31:58 o/ Oct 08 21:32:01 lo crashanddie Oct 08 21:32:04 Hi, crashanddie Oct 08 21:32:19 Moved on from blow-up dolls yet? :P Oct 08 21:32:39 what'd'ya mean "moved on"? Oct 08 21:32:46 why would I want to move on? Oct 08 21:32:49 lol Oct 08 21:33:36 hahaha Oct 08 21:33:42 when should we sign-in? Oct 08 21:33:45 crashanddie: Has dneary given you any dirty looks in person for your IRC outburst? :p Oct 08 21:33:54 qwerty12_N810: didn't meet him Oct 08 21:34:00 Ah Oct 08 21:34:14 qwerty12_N810: I tried calling gary and simon, but nobody's phone is working, it would appear Oct 08 21:34:28 yes I know, ironic for a convention around a glorified phone platform Oct 08 21:34:35 :) Oct 08 21:34:47 damn smartphones :) Oct 08 21:34:54 I hear the workers are going underground in the Red Light District Oct 08 21:37:14 blah.. downloading a ton of videos so i can watch something on this touchbook later Oct 08 21:37:31 "touchbook" takes a whole new dimension if it's porn you're downloading Oct 08 21:37:38 haha Oct 08 21:37:58 yeah. it comes with a usb virtual vagina Oct 08 21:38:24 <_< Oct 08 21:38:36 +1 for the touchbook Oct 08 21:38:54 The N900 can only recover if it comes with one of those Japanese female robots Oct 08 21:39:33 seems like people have stopped even trying to search for answers on t.m.o nowadays :< Oct 08 21:39:48 frals: This is nothing new :p Oct 08 21:40:21 well.. this tb os needs a lot of work Oct 08 21:40:49 frals: was thinking the same. Oct 08 21:40:51 this is awful. Oct 08 21:40:52 Ah, rocker. Thanks, qwerty12. Oct 08 21:40:58 if this trend continues... Oct 08 21:41:03 i'm really more so looking forward to google os to see if it's any good Oct 08 21:41:10 especially if they release an openhardware version Oct 08 21:41:12 Welcome to every new Maemo release. ;) Oct 08 21:41:17 * EspadaV8 is jealous of everyone there Oct 08 21:41:28 GAN800: ah, the flur dies out after a while? Oct 08 21:41:36 Usually Oct 08 21:41:56 Expect at least one good flame war. ;) Oct 08 21:41:58 hopefully. Oct 08 21:42:06 GAN800: from you being online I take it there was no passport this morning? Oct 08 21:42:19 GAN800: I expect a big one after all the idiots who haven't bothered to search nor ask get the phone and start wondering why they can't mms. Oct 08 21:42:19 But all the new people will learn the ropes with time. Oct 08 21:42:45 crashanddie, it came about 5 hours ago. Oct 08 21:42:54 s/mms/$RANDOM_SYMBIAN_FEATURE . Oct 08 21:42:56 About 28 hours too late. Oct 08 21:42:58 GAN800: so why are you not on a plane? Oct 08 21:43:14 he is Oct 08 21:43:18 planes have wifi Oct 08 21:43:19 :) Oct 08 21:43:25 You think I have $1100 just lying around? Oct 08 21:43:40 sell your mac pro Oct 08 21:43:45 Pfft Oct 08 21:44:22 Maemo Summit > Mac Oct 08 21:44:42 qwerty12_N810: Maemo Summit > school. Oct 08 21:44:51 The N900 aint quite ready to replace a real computer. ;) Oct 08 21:45:10 GAN800: Heh.. that +- was my kid moving my keyboard to use my desk. I was still at work and just happened to see your comment through the #maemo irc logs. Oct 08 21:45:19 * GAN800 mutters evil things about the State Department. Oct 08 21:45:32 javispedro: Maemo Summit > N900 Oct 08 21:45:38 zerojay, lol Oct 08 21:45:49 qwerty12_N810: now you made me cry. Oct 08 21:45:55 qwerty12_N810: Thanks a ton for the packaging stuff. I'm starting on it in a few minutes. Oct 08 21:46:01 crashanddie, now you've made me depressed again. :P Oct 08 21:46:22 zerojay: Cool, your latest backgrounds are awesome Oct 08 21:46:41 javispedro: Since I'm on a roll... Megadrive > SNES Oct 08 21:47:05 * javispedro does not flame on oldie consoles :) Oct 08 21:47:10 qwerty12, libnotify + XChat = win. . . . Oct 08 21:47:29 qwerty12_N810: Thanks.. it's not been easy... so many small things that need to be fixed in each wallpaper.. that Donkey Kong one is a killer. Oct 08 21:47:44 * GAN800 wonders why AIM hasn't worked for the past week. Oct 08 21:47:59 did it ever work ;) Oct 08 21:48:08 Heh, I have the graphical ability of a retarded, blind monkey who happens to be masturbating Oct 08 21:48:21 Well, in rtcom more specificalky. Oct 08 21:48:29 Yeah, compared to the people I'm surrounded with at work (pixel and 3d artists), I feel the same way. Oct 08 21:48:35 GAN800: Does it work? (libnotify + XChat?) Oct 08 21:48:49 qwerty12, no? Oct 08 21:48:50 javispedro: Well, you know my thoughts on the Wii :p Oct 08 21:48:57 qwerty12_N81 Oct 08 21:49:06 GAN800: Bleh, maybe tomorrow then Oct 08 21:49:09 there, I've downgraded your NIT. Oct 08 21:49:10 Let me switch to FBReader and highlight me? Oct 08 21:49:20 GAN800 sucks Oct 08 21:49:28 Buy Juan, get Julio free. Oct 08 21:49:46 Yeah, no. Oct 08 21:50:13 GAN800: I'll look into it tomorrow then, getting it working in Transmission was fun Oct 08 21:50:22 Hehe Oct 08 21:50:50 Transmission CHUGS when there's a lot of seeds on a torrent. Oct 08 21:51:01 Yep :/ Oct 08 21:51:02 Completely unresponsive for minutes at a time. Oct 08 21:51:34 * jaska fondles rtorrent Oct 08 21:52:02 rtorrent always was the best one to use i think Oct 08 21:52:22 especially once you figure out the 5000 character config file line to get it to automatically move finished files Oct 08 21:53:41 oh, they're now trying to somehow shove the htc hd2 as a viable competitor. Oct 08 21:54:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=342118&postcount=21 <--- whhhaaa Oct 08 21:54:28 * qwerty12_N810 has a soft spot for WinMo. Then again, my only PPC was of the non-phone variety Oct 08 21:54:52 ROFL Oct 08 21:54:58 zerojay: saw that. my average hairloss per second briefly increased. Oct 08 21:55:20 hd2? no kbd :( Oct 08 21:55:39 has anyone hooked-up with ukki in amsterdam? Oct 08 21:55:40 jaska: and wm. every review has nearly panned it. Oct 08 21:55:55 well, id take wm over symbian :) Oct 08 21:56:33 and wm over osx-arm (iphone, atleast in its current form without jailbreaking) Oct 08 21:56:50 my only contact with wm was quite a few years ago with a casiopeia e-10 and I was scarred for life. Oct 08 21:57:32 i know my jornada 720's wince3 and the ipaq first couple gens wince were absolutely terrible Oct 08 21:57:35 Pocket LOOX 720 <3 Oct 08 21:57:55 qwerty12_N810: you're talking to an ex-palmos fanboy. >:) Oct 08 21:58:45 Heh, well, I've already told you what happened to my only Palm... Oct 08 21:59:14 I don't remember right now, but my brain hurts when I try. So it had to be something truly evil. Oct 08 21:59:57 Dropped it and the screen cracked up Oct 08 22:00:37 I was going to ask you not to perturb my poor mind by reminding that to me. Oct 08 22:01:04 bah, the HD2 is even more expensive than the n900. Oct 08 22:04:31 Ca. Ca. Capacitive touchscreen in WM??? Oct 08 22:04:51 wm must have changed a lot. Oct 08 22:04:51 Hmm, there's a new Talk member called "drm". I say we burn him/her at the stake Oct 08 22:05:12 * jaska pours some thermite Oct 08 22:06:03 them, qwerty12, them. Oct 08 22:06:21 zerojay, ahahaha Oct 08 22:06:42 GAN800: Thanks, I always seem to think it refers to more than one person Oct 08 22:07:51 It's the thinking that gets you. :P Oct 08 22:08:45 Hey, wouldn't you know Nokia's got a web runtime. . . . Oct 08 22:10:01 Yes, which requires WebKit. Please Nokia, bring it to Fremantle... Oct 08 22:10:42 There's a talk at the Summit. Oct 08 22:14:29 toooo many new users. Oct 08 22:14:35 Yeah :\ Oct 08 22:14:41 They better bring money. Oct 08 22:14:52 i'd hoped they'd bring apps. Oct 08 22:15:39 Money means Nokia can bring apps. Oct 08 22:15:47 and we'll get some of those, too. Oct 08 22:16:09 (crappy apps) Oct 08 22:16:13 or good apps Oct 08 22:16:14 * luke-jr_ hides Oct 08 22:16:18 pessimism... Oct 08 22:16:42 how have we invoked luke-jr? neither of us typed the "free" keyword ;) Oct 08 22:17:03 javispedro: I don't use that keyword. Oct 08 22:17:13 hehe. Oct 08 22:18:37 hey Oct 08 22:18:51 i just found out im not the only ordained minister who is a member of tmo Oct 08 22:19:31 Are we going to have to start the community religious council now? Oct 08 22:20:11 nah Oct 08 22:20:13 I think we are good Oct 08 22:20:14 The Tribal Leaders Oct 08 22:20:31 * pupnik puts on warpaint Oct 08 22:20:41 Maemo Holy Edition Oct 08 22:20:44 I am glad that some people are working on a bible program for the n900 though Oct 08 22:20:46 thats pretty cool Oct 08 22:20:54 There was an Ubuntu christian edition for a bit Oct 08 22:20:59 Why does it seem people mostly want apps as a statistic to beat users of other platforms with? Oct 08 22:20:59 it was kind of a joke Oct 08 22:21:07 because Oct 08 22:21:09 they are childish Oct 08 22:21:09 there was one for the 770 as well Oct 08 22:21:13 I've had nearly all of my needs covered just fine by the great apps available on Maemo. Oct 08 22:21:17 and want to be able to show off.... Oct 08 22:21:24 look we have 52102804 apps Oct 08 22:21:29 how many do you have> Oct 08 22:21:32 someone with python skill could make mytube better Oct 08 22:21:37 Of the iPhone's bajillion and one apps I've been impressed by very, very few of them. Oct 08 22:21:39 oh only 52102803 Oct 08 22:21:41 we win Oct 08 22:21:51 GeneralAntilles: Fart apps and iBoobs are the shit Oct 08 22:21:58 Also: I hate that "app" has become a part of the common lexicon. Oct 08 22:22:03 Id be impressed with the fart apps if they smelled Oct 08 22:22:05 like farts Oct 08 22:22:11 People love to toss around the term but none of them could even tell you what the hell an "app" is. Oct 08 22:22:43 an application Oct 08 22:22:46 :P) Oct 08 22:22:56 aw yes. another term apple popularized. Oct 08 22:22:59 Tadthebuilder, most of them can't even come up with that. Oct 08 22:23:12 id just like to point out that Oct 08 22:23:16 "But, but—it's got apps!" Oct 08 22:23:18 the word is at the top of my screen in fnome Oct 08 22:23:22 Interesting Oct 08 22:23:23 gnome* Oct 08 22:23:41 and lazy people shorten it to app, or apps. I think its pre-iphone in popularity Oct 08 22:23:44 * GeneralAntilles wonder's what's autoreplacing "- -" with an em-dash. Oct 08 22:24:01 -_- Oct 08 22:24:05 Tadthebuilder, in technical circles, sure. Oct 08 22:24:08 I thought you were saying my statement wa s interesting Oct 08 22:24:26 But its use by the common moron is an Apple phenomenon. Oct 08 22:24:48 yeah. Apple made "the app" a cult-thing. Oct 08 22:24:49 Well, I don't like like use real em-dashes in mediums where most people are using monospaced fonts. ;) Oct 08 22:24:52 what did they call specific instances of code designed to do something on top of the operating system prior to apps? Oct 08 22:25:11 programs? Oct 08 22:25:16 things Oct 08 22:25:28 stuff Oct 08 22:25:33 they called those things by name. Oct 08 22:25:34 the only two general terms I can think of are programs and applications Oct 08 22:25:35 Those fucking "There's an app for that" adverts are hilarious Oct 08 22:25:39 Tadthebuilder, most people don't differentiate. Oct 08 22:25:48 wait Oct 08 22:25:48 Those are just "Word" or "Outlook" Oct 08 22:25:50 they are the same thing right? Oct 08 22:25:52 ah okay Oct 08 22:26:04 "install Office" or "run Word". Oct 08 22:26:04 but wait Oct 08 22:26:06 .... Oct 08 22:26:12 what if they needed a new program Oct 08 22:26:14 or app Oct 08 22:26:25 would they just say I need something on my computer that can do such and such Oct 08 22:26:33 or would they say I need a new program on my computer to do such and such Oct 08 22:26:45 or I need a new application on my computer to do such and such Oct 08 22:26:52 ive used both before pre-iphone Oct 08 22:26:57 but maybe other people did not Oct 08 22:27:11 Apparently the amsterdam folks are not online Oct 08 22:27:14 :/ Oct 08 22:27:19 I love how the device isn't even out yet and its history has already been decided. Oct 08 22:27:23 IMHO they'd say "you suck as a tech" then flagellate me and I'd have to read their minds to know what their want. Oct 08 22:27:24 how non-geeky of them Oct 08 22:27:29 pupnik, Qole and timsamoff should be available by email. Oct 08 22:27:49 i was searching for when things start tomorrow, GeneralAntilles - do you know? Oct 08 22:27:50 hope they are having fun Oct 08 22:27:56 and staying away from the magic brownies Oct 08 22:28:14 pupnik, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule Oct 08 22:28:17 ah 9 Oct 08 22:28:18 It's Amsterdam: They're probably flying high Oct 08 22:28:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=342109&postcount=11 Oct 08 22:28:33 * GeneralAntilles doesn't get it. Oct 08 22:28:49 sometimes I wonder if more people in amesterdam get high or la Oct 08 22:28:51 LA Oct 08 22:29:03 GeneralAntilles: deep inside me I just wish they all leave. Oct 08 22:29:19 javispedro, well, either they'll buy it or they wont. Oct 08 22:29:19 but as I've usually said, that's why nobody with any commercial sense has to listen to me. Oct 08 22:29:29 Most of the ones that don't will leave Oct 08 22:29:36 most of the ones that do will probably leave, too. Oct 08 22:29:45 The rest will acclimate with time. Oct 08 22:29:53 what the amount of colours on the n900? Oct 08 22:29:57 GeneralAntilles: they'll leave right after The Great 2009 N900 Backslash. Oct 08 22:29:58 conflicting statemetns on tmo Oct 08 22:30:10 I do love the ones who don't own a device and never will but just stick around and troll. Oct 08 22:30:16 when idiots notice it's not a symbian phone but "step 4 of 5". Oct 08 22:30:34 Tadthebuilder, I think compositing is thousands, screen is millions. Oct 08 22:30:40 ah okay Oct 08 22:30:44 wait Oct 08 22:30:49 16 bit framebuffer, 18 bit screen, what I said on my first post. Oct 08 22:30:56 why does the person expect a bunch of apps at launch? Oct 08 22:31:03 did the iphone have a ton of apps at launch? Oct 08 22:31:06 does any new platform? Oct 08 22:31:15 Tadthebuilder, no, which is why that statement is so silly. Oct 08 22:31:27 Tadthebuilder: some do Oct 08 22:31:28 and the claim that Maemo developers can't do UI stuff is silly, too. Oct 08 22:31:38 Tadthebuilder: if the company has made lots Oct 08 22:31:49 Tadthebuilder: maemo is around many years, there you can aspect good apps Oct 08 22:31:58 i have a n800 Oct 08 22:32:03 i know about the programs I can run it Oct 08 22:32:12 (Im going to start using programs as opposed to apps, dont know why) Oct 08 22:32:18 Lot of apps will need updating to make them look nice in Fremantle. Oct 08 22:32:30 But plenty of them already have been: http://maemo.org/packages Oct 08 22:32:37 and there are a lot of nice programs on the n800 and from what ive seen alot of them have been updated Oct 08 22:32:43 maybe that guy is missing the fart apps Oct 08 22:32:48 (programs) Oct 08 22:33:37 yes! Oct 08 22:33:43 but on something like the n900 Oct 08 22:33:47 with its superior browser Oct 08 22:33:53 you dont need alot of those iphone style apps Oct 08 22:33:55 but come to think of it even the iPhone didn't have fart apps for a year. Oct 08 22:34:02 that really just redisplay a website Oct 08 22:34:04 in fact it didn't have any app... Oct 08 22:34:04 in a different form Oct 08 22:34:09 atleast you dont on the n800 Oct 08 22:34:18 maybe the screen size is what makes those neccessary Oct 08 22:34:18 donno Oct 08 22:34:51 that seems to be what alot of them do Oct 08 22:34:59 there was news recently abotu a CNN one that showed video!!! Oct 08 22:35:08 Why cant I just go to Cnn.com and watch the videos there? Oct 08 22:35:26 Tadthebuilder: Jobs' hate for Flash. Oct 08 22:35:43 something I'd actually agree on, but then not on a flagship consumer device. Oct 08 22:35:51 you know what would be cool Oct 08 22:36:01 a boxing match between bill gates and steve jobs Oct 08 22:36:08 no. Oct 08 22:36:12 no? Oct 08 22:36:18 you dont think two nerds fighting would be cool? Oct 08 22:36:24 they would start kissing themselves. Oct 08 22:36:39 they're still lovers since the eighties. Oct 08 22:36:40 thats strange Oct 08 22:36:50 by themselves you meant each other? Oct 08 22:36:50 Thanks for that horrible mental image Oct 08 22:37:00 bbc just aired Micro Men, about 2 nerds fighting Oct 08 22:37:18 I dont get bbc Oct 08 22:37:27 actually I dont have a tv... Oct 08 22:37:31 I watch hulu Oct 08 22:37:33 haha Oct 08 22:38:01 I get torrents, don't watch broadcast Oct 08 22:38:05 BBC owns, but only because of Eastenders Oct 08 22:38:11 * javispedro is patiently waiting for someone on his favourite maemo fansite idiot forum to get the n900 and see how it can't load any java apps. Oct 08 22:38:14 then watch his face. Oct 08 22:38:28 what will he post? "N900 sucks" or "Java sucks". Oct 08 22:38:30 wanna bet? Oct 08 22:38:33 what maemo fansite is this? Oct 08 22:38:38 "javispedro sucks!" Oct 08 22:38:50 not going to say the name just in case someone of them is crawling the logs :) Oct 08 22:39:12 and they totally do. Oct 08 22:39:13 qwerty12_N810: wow, you were born without the taste gene Oct 08 22:39:20 maybe we should give a n900 to banksy Oct 08 22:39:23 and let him get the word out Oct 08 22:39:24 GeneralAntilles: i'm a paranoid :) Oct 08 22:39:29 in his spray paint skills Oct 08 22:39:32 and say it does have java Oct 08 22:39:36 javispedro, I'm not joking. :P Oct 08 22:39:59 that is mean mavhc Oct 08 22:40:02 mavhc: It's total shit nowadays, but it's had some good moments in the past :p Oct 08 22:40:14 well, if you're reading this, whoever you are, I was not talking about your site. Oct 08 22:40:14 Kinda like qwerty12_N810. Oct 08 22:40:31 Want to see what Christmas brings... Oct 08 22:40:32 I can see the rat with an n900 Oct 08 22:40:46 * Tadthebuilder wonders what site it is... Oct 08 22:40:53 i want to go to a maemo fansite Oct 08 22:40:55 www.javispedro.com Oct 08 22:40:57 what fansite should I go to? Oct 08 22:41:27 thats only generally Oct 08 22:41:29 associated with maemo Oct 08 22:41:30 * javispedro considers putting some adsense and truly starting a maemo fansite... Oct 08 22:41:45 fracturing? Oct 08 22:42:19 by spreading some lies about the n900 hw I may even get enough adsense money to buy one myself! Oct 08 22:42:32 lol Oct 08 22:43:02 Nokia will blacklist your site Oct 08 22:43:03 javispedro has the coolest app for maemo atm Oct 08 22:43:09 :P Oct 08 22:44:27 18 days. Oct 08 22:44:49 til what Oct 08 22:45:12 period Oct 08 22:45:19 until we all die. Oct 08 22:45:24 didn't you watch that movie? Oct 08 22:45:32 how was it named... ah yes, The Ring. Oct 08 22:49:13 20:00 Maemo Party in FlexBar DJ's Russ Chimes & Grum (check the mixtapes!) visuals by Xploitec VJ's. coordinated by Jussi Mkinen. Oct 08 22:49:16 ^^nice Oct 08 22:49:43 i didn't watch The Ring yet Oct 08 22:52:20 can we attend any expert stream we like? Oct 08 22:52:29 i.e. switch between lectures Oct 08 22:52:31 must be Oct 08 22:52:55 Fremantle Stars showcase Oct 08 22:52:56 Including liqbase, OSM2Go, Mauku, OMWeather, eCoach and more. Oct 08 22:53:54 liqbase is awesome!!! Oct 08 22:53:58 Im a bit obsessed Oct 08 22:54:11 the only time Im not running liqbase on my n800 is when im playing ines Oct 08 22:54:43 I'm bored. Oct 08 22:54:44 pupnik, yes. Oct 08 22:55:42 wait Oct 08 22:55:49 the lectures are being streemed? Oct 08 22:55:55 so its like we are there without paying thousands of dollars? Oct 08 22:56:37 and without getting a contact high? Oct 08 22:56:46 seems like we get the best of both worlds. Oct 08 22:57:15 really? I haven't actually seen any streams Oct 08 22:57:26 ah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Organization#Live_streaming Oct 08 22:58:04 what the time different between eastern US time and amsterdam? Oct 08 22:58:06 nothing official though Oct 08 22:58:10 hm Oct 08 23:01:19 5 or 6 hours Oct 08 23:06:58 it doesnt seem like there was in confirmation Oct 08 23:07:04 that they were going to be recorded a stremed Oct 08 23:07:11 only that someone suggested it Oct 08 23:11:18 be nice to the speakers and don't stream it Oct 08 23:14:05 summit lookin good: http://www.westergasfabriek.nl/uploads/190X190_event_aifw_lippenstift.jpg Oct 08 23:14:40 i love text like this Oct 08 23:14:51 "If you're looking for an adventurous, unpolished venue for an event, then the Westergasfabriek Culture Park is worth a visit. " Oct 08 23:17:00 im not quite sure I understand that picture Oct 08 23:19:09 pupnik, I do not think that word means what you think it means. ;) Oct 08 23:19:38 :) Oct 08 23:19:50 I'm looking for an adventurous, unpolished dutch girl Oct 08 23:19:58 They have one of a furry convention. <_< Oct 08 23:20:00 hopefully shaven Oct 08 23:20:09 girls don't need to shave Oct 08 23:20:14 sorry, i had to type that Oct 08 23:20:39 only if they grow beards Oct 08 23:20:44 right. well if anybody has last minute requests Oct 08 23:20:45 lol Oct 08 23:20:50 okay im in charge of music at my wedding reception in 9 days Oct 08 23:20:54 any suggestions? Oct 08 23:21:05 Muslimguaze Oct 08 23:21:08 (dont worry about dancing...it will be possible but no one will) Oct 08 23:21:22 my friends are lame Oct 08 23:21:25 they dont dance Oct 08 23:21:27 haha Oct 08 23:21:40 Im having a first dance with my wife and then I would guess that almost no one will dance after that Oct 08 23:21:41 Maybe dancing is for kids Oct 08 23:21:55 its possible Oct 08 23:22:13 I enjoyed it, but i don' feel so exhuberant at 40 Oct 08 23:22:27 well im only 23 Oct 08 23:22:30 as are most of my friends... Oct 08 23:22:32 haha Oct 08 23:31:24 So dance... Oct 08 23:32:17 if you are DJ'ing, you need to balance between songs your audience knows and loves, and songs you think they might love Oct 08 23:33:06 right. I have decided to wear a red-purple cap at summit. Oct 08 23:33:17 it looks very stupid Oct 08 23:33:27 take it off? Oct 08 23:33:54 pupnik, it's a tech summit. They're all geeks. :P Oct 08 23:34:36 yah Oct 08 23:37:10 reight then Oct 08 23:37:11 cheers Oct 08 23:37:15 Later Oct 08 23:37:44 im not really djing... Oct 08 23:37:46 haha Oct 08 23:37:48 im the groom... Oct 08 23:37:56 im just in charge of choosing the songs ahead of time Oct 08 23:38:09 wate Oct 08 23:38:19 your not at the summit or you wouldnt be here Oct 08 23:39:15 He's got WiFi surely. Oct 08 23:39:55 yeah Oct 08 23:40:01 but why would he be on if hes at the summit? Oct 08 23:40:04 no one else from the summit is Oct 08 23:40:49 pupnik> Apparently the amsterdam folks are not online Oct 08 23:40:56 Tadthebuilder, take pupnik's advice then be sure to vary the music. A few fast songs, then a few slow, then some more fast, etc. Oct 08 23:41:34 There'll be a lot more on tomorrow when they're all actually in one place with WiFi Oct 08 23:41:45 ah I could see that Oct 08 23:42:02 variation is a good idea...:) thanks Oct 08 23:42:06 Also considering having the wedding party learn Thriller or similar. :P Oct 08 23:42:19 that wouldbe might funny Oct 08 23:42:23 but only 9 days Oct 08 23:42:27 dont think I can put that together in time Oct 08 23:43:55 and i think the mother of the bride would throw a fit.. haha Oct 08 23:45:10 is there a required languange for all talks to be given in at the summit? Oct 08 23:45:27 or are some in english others finnish, others russian etc Oct 08 23:45:31 I think they're all being given in English. Oct 08 23:45:46 I'm sure somebody COULD give a talk in something else Oct 08 23:45:59 but time is precious and English is by far the most commonly spoken. Oct 08 23:46:06 makes sense Oct 08 23:46:31 are there actually going to be any live streams from the summit? Oct 08 23:46:34 Dunno Oct 08 23:46:38 I doubt it, honestly. Oct 08 23:46:45 your supposed to know everything Oct 08 23:46:48 WiFi at these things is usually overloaded. Oct 08 23:46:54 I'd know more if I were there. :( Oct 08 23:47:09 I have never asked you aquestion before without being given a solid and detailed answer Oct 08 23:47:15 yeah sorry to hear you couldnt go man Oct 08 23:47:35 Ah, well, never bank on the US Government managing to do anything on time or in a reasonable fashion. ;) Oct 08 23:47:56 and I'm happy to help. ;) Oct 08 23:48:16 I've made it my business to have as broad a knowledge as possible about this platform and this community. Oct 08 23:48:19 unless the answer can be answered by a quick google search Oct 08 23:49:14 that would explain it Oct 08 23:49:19 im decently well informed Oct 08 23:49:29 thats why i started coming in here Oct 08 23:49:35 to pick up on the things being conversed about Oct 08 23:49:55 * Tadthebuilder just choked temporarily on a cold hotdog...why i did not use the microwave i will never know Oct 08 23:50:03 Who the hell would pay $30 a month for TV in their car? Oct 08 23:50:46 someone with too much money? Oct 08 23:51:17 Apparently AT&T is having money problems with the service, so not many of them either. Oct 08 23:51:33 its a bit pricy Oct 08 23:51:44 I wont pay thirty bucks a month for home phone service Oct 08 23:51:48 so im thinking about getting magic jack Oct 08 23:51:53 though it looks a bit sketch Oct 08 23:52:02 Use a cellphone? Oct 08 23:52:49 Who provides your internet? Oct 08 23:53:30 embarq Oct 08 23:53:39 well thats dsl Oct 08 23:53:45 also time warner offers cable Oct 08 23:53:49 I dont have it set up Oct 08 23:53:53 Time Warner's not terrible. Oct 08 23:53:56 I had a delay Oct 08 23:53:59 You could get cable/phone through them. Oct 08 23:54:00 on closing on my house Oct 08 23:54:07 true Oct 08 23:54:12 have you seen magic jack Oct 08 23:54:17 Lot better than Comcast. ;) Oct 08 23:54:21 Once or twice on TV Oct 08 23:54:33 Seems like you might be better off just signing up for a Gizmo account? Oct 08 23:57:12 possibley Oct 08 23:57:17 i have a gizmo account actually Oct 08 23:57:22 but magic jack appears cheaper... Oct 08 23:57:26 and easier to hook up a real phone Oct 08 23:57:30 I have a cell phone Oct 08 23:57:32 as does my fiance Oct 08 23:57:38 but I moved and my parents are still paying that bill Oct 08 23:57:50 and they said Oct 08 23:57:53 they will continue that indefinitly Oct 08 23:58:00 ...im not going to complain or stop them Oct 08 23:58:04 i just need a local number Oct 08 23:58:21 I could get a google number Oct 08 23:58:23 that call forwarded... Oct 08 23:59:35 does the n810 have any NVRAM or other stuff not stored on /dev/mtd* Oct 08 23:59:46 Google Voice would work. Oct 08 23:59:56 jhford, no. Oct 08 23:59:59 I need to look into how much that costs Oct 09 00:00:14 i had it while it was grandcentral Oct 09 00:00:18 and had a free back up ip phone Oct 09 00:00:27 doing the old linked setup between it and gizmodo Oct 09 00:00:48 GAN800: do you know where the clock time is stored? Oct 09 00:01:04 heh, in the rtc? Oct 09 00:01:33 Incoming is free. Oct 09 00:01:46 which is all I would need Oct 09 00:01:48 awesome Oct 09 00:01:52 Outgoing is competitive with Skype and Gizmo. Oct 09 00:02:00 I would not need to use it for out going though Oct 09 00:02:10 I just want them to be able to call me at a local number Oct 09 00:02:19 and not pay longdistance Oct 09 00:02:31 alot of elderly people may need to call me and they dont like calling longdistance Oct 09 00:02:40 Hehe Oct 09 00:03:12 what are you laughing at? Oct 09 00:04:07 He's not laughing at you, he's laughing with you Oct 09 00:04:19 interesting Oct 09 00:04:27 Old people. Oct 09 00:04:33 heh Oct 09 00:04:43 well I work at a church where the average age is probably 65 Oct 09 00:05:14 granted I work with the children and youth at said church but I have to communicate often with the older individuals int he church Oct 09 00:05:20 hence Oct 09 00:05:28 needing a local number Oct 09 00:05:33 the youth all have cell phones...haha Oct 09 00:05:38 You need to hook them all up with N900s and VoIP Oct 09 00:05:58 The old people, that is. :D Oct 09 00:06:21 haha Oct 09 00:06:28 lets just get them to use a computer Oct 09 00:06:38 and email first... Oct 09 00:06:41 Good luck! Oct 09 00:06:50 * GAN800 has been down that road. Oct 09 00:07:00 we do have a 75 year old secretary that types the bulletin on a computer Oct 09 00:07:02 though Oct 09 00:07:11 she sometimes litterally cuts and pastes clip art on to it Oct 09 00:07:49 Hehe Oct 09 00:07:59 but atleast she uses the computer some Oct 09 00:08:12 I think recently she has learned about the clip art on the computer she can insert Oct 09 00:08:19 and knows how to do it Oct 09 00:08:22 she just prefers the other clipart for some reason Oct 09 00:08:25 its kinda funny Oct 09 00:08:38 and by kinda i mean really Oct 09 00:08:44 she calls me in sometimes to help her do things Oct 09 00:09:06 and I follow the XKCD flow chart since she is using the newest microsoft office and I have no idea how to use that Oct 09 00:09:20 * Tadthebuilder is too cheap to shell 300 dollars for a program that does little more than a free oss version Oct 09 00:11:13 No kidding. Oct 09 00:11:31 I don't know why anybody would pay for Office. Oct 09 00:11:57 Besides... offices? :D Oct 09 00:12:12 my seminary technically required it Oct 09 00:12:19 but I used open office and they never knew Oct 09 00:12:23 As an individual it's almost impossible not to have access somewhere if you need it. Oct 09 00:12:30 its true Oct 09 00:12:35 as an individual i agree Oct 09 00:12:47 Lot of schools require it. Oct 09 00:13:12 My school requires Visual Studio. I use vim. . . . Oct 09 00:13:24 I bet you do better work than your school ;) Oct 09 00:15:52 * GAN800 loves Maemo. Oct 09 00:16:13 Not many other platforms let you use XChat while cooking dinner. Oct 09 00:17:01 I hate to upset you but, i cook and am on XChat all the time, under windows 7 :) Oct 09 00:17:25 i would like some dinner Oct 09 00:17:33 I ate a cold hot dog for dinner... Oct 09 00:17:41 * Tadthebuilder cannot wait til he is no longer living by himself Oct 09 00:18:03 I use my thinkpad on top of the microwave all the time. Oct 09 00:18:09 I havnt decided what im having for dinner yet. Pulled Pork Sandwich, Pasta, Ham cooked with pineapple juices and pineapple slices on top. Oct 09 00:18:10 (with the microwave on) Oct 09 00:18:13 While cooking Oct 09 00:18:23 I bet your thinkpad doesnt appreciate the radiation! Oct 09 00:19:01 Oddly - wifi works just fine Oct 09 00:19:23 is this barbeque pulled pork? Oct 09 00:19:50 Xisdibik, not on a device that fits in your pocket. Oct 09 00:19:55 Tadthebuilder: yes Oct 09 00:20:09 vinager or tomatoe based? Oct 09 00:20:11 haha Oct 09 00:20:12 GAN800: you have me there then. but you hadnt specified Oct 09 00:20:18 Tadthebuilder: i dont know lolz Oct 09 00:20:19 dont ask why im asking so many questions Oct 09 00:20:28 is it red Oct 09 00:20:29 ? Oct 09 00:20:43 heh Oct 09 00:20:48 I only like north carolina style barbeque Oct 09 00:20:53 the base is vinegar Oct 09 00:20:56 Tadthebuilder, don't me you can't cook for yourself. :P Oct 09 00:21:03 I cant Oct 09 00:21:07 I just know what I like :) Oct 09 00:21:13 That's just sad. Oct 09 00:21:15 haha Oct 09 00:21:18 I can cook for myself a little Oct 09 00:21:20 but not much Oct 09 00:21:28 :) Oct 09 00:21:43 all the cooking i know how to do it from watching good eats Oct 09 00:21:44 It's really not hard. Oct 09 00:21:49 but I really dont have access to a kitchen at the moment Oct 09 00:21:56 I have a microwave thats about it Oct 09 00:21:57 They have websites for that you know. :P Oct 09 00:21:59 I eat mostly sandwiches Oct 09 00:22:00 you can cook perfectly fine with just a microwave Oct 09 00:22:02 Haha Oct 09 00:22:09 It sucks, though. Oct 09 00:22:19 Even one that doesn't do conventional mode. Oct 09 00:22:19 trying to charge my n810 with a travel charger thing i bought Oct 09 00:22:21 im closing on a house in three weeks Oct 09 00:22:22 Well... Oct 09 00:22:23 hopefully Oct 09 00:22:26 (not nokia official obv) Oct 09 00:22:36 is it not working amr? Oct 09 00:22:42 and it charges my 6210 navigator Oct 09 00:22:42 or were you just telling us that you were trying it? Oct 09 00:22:46 but it doesnt seem to work :/ Oct 09 00:22:54 Spaghetti, sauces, rice, potatos, pot-roasts, stews, ... Oct 09 00:22:57 the nokia screen will come on, then go off Oct 09 00:23:03 no loading bar or anything, just the logo Oct 09 00:23:24 might not be getting enough power, not sure though Oct 09 00:23:33 see my main problem is Oct 09 00:23:36 O:-) Oct 09 00:23:37 I was an RA at college Oct 09 00:23:39 which I just left Oct 09 00:23:44 hmmmm Oct 09 00:23:49 so I lived on a dorm my whole time there Oct 09 00:23:53 so I ate at the dining hall Oct 09 00:23:56 glorious dining hall Oct 09 00:23:58 on demand food Oct 09 00:23:58 could someone look on their charger and see if the specs of this match up Oct 09 00:24:00 whenver I wanted... Oct 09 00:24:14 might not of been high quality Oct 09 00:24:17 dc 5v, 500mAh max Oct 09 00:24:19 but it was there Oct 09 00:24:19 and conveneit Oct 09 00:24:46 im thinking that Oct 09 00:24:51 that might charge the device slowly Oct 09 00:25:00 for some reason Oct 09 00:25:05 im thinking 1500 mah Oct 09 00:25:08 but i may be wrong Oct 09 00:25:18 hmmm Oct 09 00:25:42 general: you still here? Oct 09 00:26:18 this is poo, i was hoping to have my tablet charged for lectures tomorrow Oct 09 00:26:30 amr, 500ma is low Oct 09 00:26:44 thought as much Oct 09 00:26:45 Stock charger ia close to 900 Oct 09 00:26:51 would it charge it slowly Oct 09 00:26:55 if the device was turned off? Oct 09 00:27:04 (similar to the trickle charge from usb) Oct 09 00:27:05 It'll charge, but slowly and only if you're not using it. Oct 09 00:27:07 well it turns on when it gets plugged in Oct 09 00:27:14 oh thats fine, its got a good 8 hours to charge Oct 09 00:27:23 Since it can overpower the stock charger. Oct 09 00:28:11 thanks :) Oct 09 00:29:05 * timeless grumbles Oct 09 00:29:21 the gettext package in somewhere is broken Oct 09 00:29:22 why are you grumbling? Oct 09 00:29:24 its not polite... Oct 09 00:30:53 timeless: bug 4624 seems to mention both versions you're getting in that package Oct 09 00:31:22 it's 2.30am Oct 09 00:32:04 but since there's a /scratchbox/tools/bin/gettext, you're probably hitting magic there Oct 09 00:36:00 Tadthebuilder, timeless is one of the authorized grumblers. :P Oct 09 00:36:46 i'm hungry and on a train somewhere in germany Oct 09 00:36:56 with flaky cell service Oct 09 00:37:16 we're stopped and i' getting/losing service Oct 09 00:37:38 i still need a place to sleep tonight Oct 09 00:37:39 no food on the train? Oct 09 00:37:54 no dining car Oct 09 00:38:22 no trolley either? :-( Oct 09 00:38:32 there's a guy who sells food out of his room Oct 09 00:38:53 he has a speial title, not sure what Oct 09 00:39:02 oh, he'll deliver Oct 09 00:44:02 amr: charging with random chargers (and even with some weaker batches of the original chargers) seems to not be a good idea with N810, IF you've let it run empty Oct 09 00:45:25 :< Oct 09 00:45:26 as long as it's still running it seems to accept almost anything Oct 09 00:45:36 Though exactly 5.0V is not accepted Oct 09 00:55:39 j0 Oct 09 00:59:29 inz: ping Oct 09 01:02:34 nn Oct 09 01:04:10 ~/9/osso-xterm-0.14.mh27+0m5 $ grep -r domain src/ Oct 09 01:04:10 src/shortcuts.c:/*(void) bindtextdomain(PACKAGE, LOCALEDIR); */ Oct 09 01:04:10 src/main.c: bindtextdomain ("osso-browser-ui", LOCALEDIR); Oct 09 01:04:10 src/main.c: textdomain ("osso-browser-ui"); Oct 09 01:04:18 * timeless grumbles Oct 09 01:05:14 Nice Oct 09 01:05:29 Wasn't all of the osso stuff supposedly to be gone by now? Oct 09 01:06:03 * timeless rotfl Oct 09 01:06:51 $ dpkg -l |grep osso|wc Oct 09 01:07:01 OK, OK. :P Oct 09 01:07:02 ELARGENUMBER Oct 09 01:07:47 * GeneralAntilles wonders how easy it'll be to put ctrl-l back into Maemo Browser. Oct 09 01:10:43 very easy Oct 09 01:12:03 tmo needs to crack down on spam bots Oct 09 01:12:56 Go volunteer to be a mod. :P Oct 09 01:13:11 Most of the mods are at the Summit right now. Oct 09 01:13:15 ah that is true Oct 09 01:13:29 I could take temporary mod powers Oct 09 01:13:34 except no one knows who I am.. Oct 09 01:13:39 so that wont happen Oct 09 01:13:46 I only have like 50 posts at tmo Oct 09 01:13:49 many hours of reading Oct 09 01:13:56 and no real positive impact Oct 09 01:14:14 * Tadthebuilder just realized he is a selfish leech Oct 09 01:14:44 ~seen lcuk Oct 09 01:14:45 lcuk was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 5h 17m 54s ago, saying: 'gnite folks'. Oct 09 01:14:56 lcuk Oct 09 01:14:59 is in amsterdam Oct 09 01:15:03 at the summit Oct 09 01:15:08 ah :P Oct 09 01:15:10 I would be too.. ugh. Oct 09 01:15:18 Ugh indeed. Oct 09 01:15:24 * GeneralAntilles high fives zerojay! Oct 09 01:15:25 Brothers in fail! Oct 09 01:15:26 did you have the same problem as the general? Oct 09 01:15:28 * b-man16 wishes he could attend Oct 09 01:15:35 Nah, his was more valid. :P Oct 09 01:15:37 * Tadthebuilder wouldnt understand anything Oct 09 01:15:49 Tadthebuilder, you see the schedule? Oct 09 01:15:52 though I would like to use an n900 for five minutes Oct 09 01:15:54 Well, part of it was actually whether I'd get my passport anyways. Oct 09 01:16:00 no I did not see the schedule Oct 09 01:16:13 five minutes...and ill be satisfied for the rest of my life Oct 09 01:16:14 And then work pretty much asked me to stay for "important stuff" and.. uh.. it wasn't. Oct 09 01:16:15 ctrl-l had a 25% success rate in diablo anyway Oct 09 01:16:16 Check out some of the topic: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule Oct 09 01:16:19 i need a rich friend Oct 09 01:16:19 and to talk him into buying one Oct 09 01:16:22 And I'm moving in less than a month so... Oct 09 01:16:30 Just too much shit at the same time. Oct 09 01:16:33 The perfect shitstorm. Oct 09 01:16:37 * b-man16 has a rich friend xD Oct 09 01:16:52 ah I see Oct 09 01:16:59 atleast you still have your dignity, and a pacman hat Oct 09 01:17:03 Tadthebuilder, that sounds like something a drug addict might say. :P Oct 09 01:17:08 "Just one more hit. . . ." Oct 09 01:17:12 Yeah, right. Oct 09 01:17:12 hah Oct 09 01:17:14 a Oct 09 01:17:14 Heh.. yeah, sure do have the pacman hat. Oct 09 01:17:20 I just realized im never goign to be able to afford one... Oct 09 01:17:32 so using one once should satisfy me Oct 09 01:17:33 Pacman hats aren't that expensive. Oct 09 01:17:39 :) Oct 09 01:17:43 grrr Oct 09 01:17:54 It'll be under $400 in a year. Oct 09 01:17:56 Maybe sooner. Oct 09 01:18:00 wb Meiz_N810 Oct 09 01:18:10 :/ Oct 09 01:18:14 There's pretty much no way I would have been able to get an N900 if I had to pay for it myself, so I understand. Oct 09 01:18:22 i doubt ill have four hundred dollars of disposable income within the next ten years... Oct 09 01:18:24 :) Oct 09 01:18:30 okay Oct 09 01:18:34 hopefully with in the next ten years Oct 09 01:18:46 I make less than thirty grand a year Oct 09 01:18:53 well, looks like I'll be settling on a free phone from verizon Oct 09 01:18:53 with thirty grand in student loans... Oct 09 01:18:59 in ten years the N900 will cost $10.00 ;) Oct 09 01:19:01 Firebird? Oct 09 01:19:10 GeneralAntilles, renew date is coming up Oct 09 01:19:11 id pay ten dollars for a n900 in ten years Oct 09 01:19:13 Firebird, hello, discounts? Oct 09 01:19:20 especially if I can replace the battery with a forty dollar one Oct 09 01:19:26 pssh, there's like more people than ever Oct 09 01:19:26 xD Oct 09 01:19:38 especially those, "I will donate graphics" people Oct 09 01:19:41 Firebird, how far down are you on the karma page? Oct 09 01:19:48 ~240 Oct 09 01:19:53 Pssh Oct 09 01:19:56 No worries at all. Oct 09 01:20:02 Previous codes have been 500-1000. Oct 09 01:20:03 Firebird: lol... those guys aren't getting anything, especially not after being here two weeks. Oct 09 01:20:17 ah Oct 09 01:20:22 Firebird, app_s_ in _Extras_ 'nuff said. Oct 09 01:20:35 the lightning talks seem interesting Oct 09 01:20:36 still need a phone for now atleast, I got locked outside cause I forgot my keys and didn't have a phone :/ Oct 09 01:20:44 lol Oct 09 01:20:50 Sucks. Oct 09 01:21:03 dialcentral saved the day with free sms though Oct 09 01:21:05 24 dollar track phone Oct 09 01:21:09 * b-man16 has been in that situation Oct 09 01:21:17 GeneralAntilles: Interested in trying my wallpapers package when it's ready, before I put it into extras-devel/-testing? Oct 09 01:21:23 it would be awesome to have a n900 on a pay as you go track phone setup Oct 09 01:21:24 Firebird, need to move to a GSM network. Oct 09 01:21:25 in 14 degree weather xD Oct 09 01:21:26 good thing my wifi leaks through the walls Oct 09 01:21:33 zerojay, sure, autobuilder's still down anyway. Oct 09 01:21:34 (14 f) Oct 09 01:21:53 is anyone porting xmoto? (If not I am) Oct 09 01:22:00 Firebird: Go for it. Oct 09 01:22:07 Too bad they don't have PaYG data in the US. Oct 09 01:22:12 should be fun with accelerometers Oct 09 01:22:15 what is ben mansons handle? Oct 09 01:23:00 Ben Manson? Oct 09 01:23:56 he is giving a speech with lcuk Oct 09 01:24:03 one of those lightnin things Oct 09 01:24:11 Oh, dunno. Oct 09 01:24:19 ah okay Oct 09 01:24:23 Not on maemo.org Oct 09 01:24:28 Oh, how did lcuk get his n900? Oct 09 01:24:39 ah okay I thought maybe thats how he kne lcuk Oct 09 01:24:46 GeneralAntilles, you're not in Europe yet? Oct 09 01:24:58 Firebird, State Department screwed me over. Oct 09 01:25:03 Passport arrived 28 hours too late. Oct 09 01:25:05 So, no. Oct 09 01:25:06 oh Oct 09 01:25:34 i have a new idea for an app for the N900 :) it uses the FM transmitter and 3G functionality of the device to create a hands-free system through a car stereo :) - although im not shure if this function allrety exist :/ Oct 09 01:26:10 interesting Oct 09 01:26:11 idea Oct 09 01:26:13 I like it Oct 09 01:26:19 :) Oct 09 01:26:19 but Oct 09 01:26:43 ......but? Oct 09 01:26:45 how would you connect the 3 g part to the car? Oct 09 01:26:49 like Oct 09 01:27:04 i dont see the interface there Oct 09 01:27:04 wouldn't it be easier through bluetooth? Oct 09 01:27:04 now alot of newer nicer cars have blue tooth setups Oct 09 01:27:05 but Oct 09 01:27:10 err Oct 09 01:27:17 i dont see the 3g connection Oct 09 01:27:19 but Oct 09 01:27:21 he reroutes the audio from the phone call out over the FM Oct 09 01:27:27 you also did not explain thoroughly Oct 09 01:27:31 ah Oct 09 01:27:33 I see Oct 09 01:27:43 yup :) Oct 09 01:27:46 I actually misunderstood Oct 09 01:27:51 the statement Oct 09 01:27:57 its late Oct 09 01:27:59 I need sleep Oct 09 01:28:02 but I cant sleep Oct 09 01:28:12 xD Oct 09 01:28:17 doesn't the FM transmitter transmit all sounds coming from alsa? (wouldn't that include the phone audio?) Oct 09 01:28:31 perhaps.. Oct 09 01:28:53 hmm Oct 09 01:29:09 Firebird, think it's per-app. Oct 09 01:29:42 ah, the wonders of pulse audio :/ Oct 09 01:30:22 that would be pretty cool b-man Oct 09 01:30:36 especially will all of the crazy laws being different with that all over the world Oct 09 01:30:46 in some states your not allowed to touch the phone while driving Oct 09 01:30:56 true xD Oct 09 01:31:53 now if you get me an n900 ill test your program Oct 09 01:31:54 ill see what i can do once i actuality get my N900 ;) Oct 09 01:32:04 xD Oct 09 01:32:19 * Tadthebuilder has stopped callling them apps as of earlier this evening Oct 09 01:32:57 i do have $1200 - but im saving that for something else ;) Oct 09 01:32:59 xDDDD Oct 09 01:33:33 i7! Oct 09 01:33:43 the n910? Oct 09 01:33:43 I could use a 30" LCD Oct 09 01:33:55 tvs are a waist of money Oct 09 01:34:03 but Oct 09 01:34:09 that could be a computer monitor Oct 09 01:34:09 eh, that N900 stand looks wobbly Oct 09 01:34:22 Tadthebuilder, of course its a monitor... Oct 09 01:34:45 DONT CRITICIZE THE GREIL! Oct 09 01:34:49 just kiding Oct 09 01:35:11 * b-man16 wonders if he could overclock the N900s A-8 cpu to 900mhz... or even 1ghz 8D Oct 09 01:35:26 Yes, you probably could. Oct 09 01:35:33 It would probably burn out in a matter of weeks, though. Oct 09 01:35:42 indeed xD Oct 09 01:35:55 you could port a water cooling system Oct 09 01:36:00 and cary it everywhere Oct 09 01:36:06 you might need a backpack Oct 09 01:36:08 *port* lol Oct 09 01:36:15 haha Oct 09 01:36:30 you could do it in a large freezer Oct 09 01:37:09 submerge it in liquid hydrogen! 8D Oct 09 01:37:34 Heat isn't the biggest issue. Oct 09 01:38:00 The high voltage just burns 'em out. Oct 09 01:38:26 oh Oct 09 01:38:30 well i feel dumb Oct 09 01:38:42 Mobile stuff is weird. :\ Oct 09 01:38:43 i took you too literally Oct 09 01:38:54 lol Oct 09 01:39:04 any chance Oct 09 01:39:07 its underclocked like Oct 09 01:39:11 the original release of the n800? Oct 09 01:39:18 Um, well. Oct 09 01:39:36 No, not compared to the official TI specs. Oct 09 01:39:47 However, the OMAP3530 just got a boost up to 720MHz Oct 09 01:39:53 Which is essentially the same SoC Oct 09 01:40:08 I don't think you can speak of them like that Oct 09 01:40:41 surely it'd depend on manufacturing process improving and the ones that don't die in a few months at 720MHz getting sorted into a different category? Oct 09 01:41:03 Well, improvements should apply to all chips. Oct 09 01:41:13 But I dunno how TI is sorting the OMAP3530s. Oct 09 01:41:23 The N900 has a stereo microphone ... really? Oct 09 01:42:06 um Oct 09 01:42:08 ... Oct 09 01:42:12 how would a single microphone be stereo Oct 09 01:42:14 yeah so if it was intel or amd, some of the 600MHz CPUs might very well run at 900 fine, and some would die or not work :P Oct 09 01:42:19 wouldnt you need too Oct 09 01:42:30 Again, mobile stuff is weird. ;) Oct 09 01:42:54 I want a two gigahertz arm netbook Oct 09 01:43:05 * b-man16 notices that GeneralAntilles has a twitter >.> Oct 09 01:43:05 runnin windows 3.1 Oct 09 01:43:07 Give it a year. Oct 09 01:43:15 b-man16, I don't use it. Oct 09 01:43:41 yay! project submitted Oct 09 01:43:46 now I just have to make it suck less Oct 09 01:43:50 .....running Windows 3.1 xD Oct 09 01:43:57 hehe Oct 09 01:44:02 first operating system I used Oct 09 01:44:05 when I was 7 Oct 09 01:44:09 (im a youngun) Oct 09 01:44:15 I also used dos of course Oct 09 01:44:25 cause alot still had to be done in dos with 3.1 Oct 09 01:44:42 * b-man16 was 1 when Windows 3.1 came out... i think Oct 09 01:45:30 (born in late 1992) Oct 09 01:45:31 xD Oct 09 01:46:19 g2g - getting late here - c ya latter ;) Oct 09 01:50:43 "only supported on high-speed grade OMAP3530/25 devices." Oct 09 01:50:51 so it's different silicon :) Oct 09 01:54:23 hm Oct 09 01:57:31 From the product code scheme, it seems there are 5 revisions of 3530, in 3 different packages, 2 different temperature ranges, and the last number indicates whether it's certified for 720MHz or not Oct 09 01:57:53 5*3*2*2, lots of different chips for omap 3530 :) Oct 09 02:04:01 Interesting Oct 09 02:04:39 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html#pricingpackaging Oct 09 02:05:32 the D after 3530 is Revision D, the next 3 letters indicate the package type, an A after that indicates extended temperature range, a 72 indicates 720MHz capable Oct 09 02:41:35 Hi guys, are the os2008 apps compatbile with Maemo 5? Oct 09 02:49:22 ArtVanda1ae, mostly. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 09 03:00:00 2009