**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 14 02:59:56 2009 Oct 14 03:11:31 samad: have a look at osso-abook for showing contacts Oct 14 03:13:22 ensi, i am very beginer, could u plz tell me the other tow mean SMS's and phone call Oct 14 03:16:13 i think you can start those through the contact chooser dialog Oct 14 03:16:24 you can find this too in osso-abook Oct 14 03:18:15 I have found "osso-abook-init" Oct 14 03:18:37 ensi I have found "osso-abook-init" Oct 14 03:18:53 but limited API Oct 14 03:35:02 Hello. Oct 14 03:35:30 Today I met a brilliant young linux using child with an unsupportive mother. Oct 14 03:35:55 And I just decided to pull out my old 770 from the closet and give it to him next time I see him. Oct 14 03:36:15 What should I flash to it first? Oct 14 03:36:21 The latest 2007HE? Oct 14 03:37:41 kybalion: Am giving out my N810 to a young linux new user hehe Oct 14 03:38:34 Cool. Oct 14 03:38:44 This kid really sort of reminds me of me kind of thing. Oct 14 03:39:22 samad: take the osso-abook dev package and start reading the headers Oct 14 03:39:25 Doesn't have internet at home, and the internet cafe he hangs out in only lets him get online when the 2 computers they have aren't being used by paying customers. Oct 14 03:39:40 But they provide free wifi. Oct 14 03:39:44 ensi thanks a lot Oct 14 03:39:46 kybalion: sorry IDK about the 770 why not try the latest official image , the also try the HE and make a comparison Oct 14 03:40:01 samad: osso-abook is badly documented so you really need to read the headers :/ Oct 14 03:40:24 bigbrovar, because I don't want to spend all night comparing when I'm just going to give it away tommorrow. Oct 14 03:40:29 samad: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_using_abook.html#basics Oct 14 03:40:38 thanks Oct 14 03:40:43 ensi thanks Oct 14 03:40:51 yw Oct 14 03:42:12 Guess I'll check out mer like the topic suggests Oct 14 03:44:18 kybalion: which ever u decide to go with, make sure its stable enough for kid's basic needs .. had to reflash my n810 removing my mer dualboot before i gave it out Oct 14 03:45:53 This kid derives enjoyment from hacking /ns Oct 14 03:46:07 Erm, from hacking away in linux. Oct 14 03:46:21 So if it doesn't work, I think I can tell him to enjoy fixing it. Oct 14 03:46:27 in that case knocking him out then ;) Oct 14 03:49:53 Um, do I have to have linux installed to install Mer to my 770? Oct 14 03:50:13 Ignore that, taking it to #mer Oct 14 03:54:03 kybalion: whats wrong with that kid? :/ Oct 14 03:54:17 Aspie, I guess. Oct 14 03:54:33 ;) Oct 14 03:55:17 I think what I'm going to do is tell him that if he get the latest testing version of Mer running on it, he can have it. Oct 14 03:55:19 :D Oct 14 03:56:05 That way, it's not a gift, it's a reward. Oct 14 04:02:23 GeneralAntilles: pizza. Oct 14 04:06:42 Okay, so I'll install the latest stable which is 2006. Oct 14 04:07:19 To teach him the value of flashing unapproved files onto devices for fun and profit. Oct 14 04:09:50 Thanks! Oct 14 04:12:25 does anyone use xephyr on the ubuntu karmic? Oct 14 04:32:28 What are the typical steps to see why a widget won't show up in the list? (This is a c widget, not a python one) Oct 14 04:35:21 Um, any advice on flashing a 770 from Windows 7 x64? Oct 14 04:36:14 Windows fails to find a driver for "Nokia 770 (Update Mode)" Oct 14 04:37:34 is Windows Vista x64 supported for flashing devices? Oct 14 04:39:30 Operating system: Oct 14 04:39:30 * Windows Vista x32 and x64 editions Oct 14 04:39:44 yup so it should work with no issues Oct 14 04:40:56 Yeah. Oct 14 04:41:09 I get three different instances of that when I connect. Oct 14 04:43:12 I'm begininng to remember why I never used this thing very much. Oct 14 04:58:42 Nokia Flashing Cable Driver is installed in the control panel. Oct 14 04:58:49 So happy a driver for the cable is installed.... Oct 14 04:58:53 heh Oct 14 05:01:15 This is what I get for being an early adopter. Oct 14 05:01:29 If I wasn't, I'd neither own this thing or be running Windows 7. Oct 14 05:04:11 own waht thing? Oct 14 05:07:09 770 Oct 14 05:08:03 So rumour has it that Nokia N900s should be shipped by the last week of October for the US Oct 14 05:08:08 or should start shipping Oct 14 05:08:24 <|R> let's scare people for halloween! Oct 14 05:09:33 ensi , i have found how to show contact list now need your help how can be established phone call and SMS Oct 14 05:09:42 |R: Sounds like an excellent idea Oct 14 05:10:22 samad: i dont know the answer. I think there's a contacts dialog or something in osso-abook that can start phone calls Oct 14 05:10:59 Sargun_screen: one of many rumors, I've seen another that says next monday. Oct 14 05:11:20 ensi, ok i am trying thank u for ur quick answer Oct 14 05:12:02 nop Oct 14 05:13:34 microlith: The rumour about the end of the month is a bit more substantiated Oct 14 05:14:42 what counts as shupping? first unit going out or queue emptied to day-long in length? Oct 14 05:15:35 * RST38h moos Oct 14 05:15:52 you guys know how can i find a location of an application on n900? Say i have a shortcut but i dont know where the actual binary is Oct 14 05:16:21 ShadowJK: first unit Oct 14 05:27:38 woot, xkcd widget works :) Oct 14 05:28:12 ensi: xterm, "which Oct 14 05:28:19 ensi: usually /usr/bin Oct 14 05:29:59 RST38h: no. i mean i have a shortcut on the desktop and i wanna know where it points to Oct 14 05:31:39 any advise for making an image into a button without seeing the button styling? (e.g. just the image) Oct 14 05:33:05 Don't do it. Oct 14 05:33:38 Users have an expectation that anything pressable will have that button styling. Oct 14 05:33:51 I believe this is an exception Oct 14 05:34:06 ensi: usr/share/applications/hildon Oct 14 05:34:14 zgold: How so? Oct 14 05:34:30 * RST38h has no such expectation Oct 14 05:34:33 zerojay: its an image. Thats it. Its going on the desktop, and when the user clicks it I want it to open in the photo viewer Oct 14 05:34:43 or maybe the browser Oct 14 05:35:18 Oh, a widget. Oct 14 05:35:20 zgold: You can use GtkImage widget and attach a callback on click Oct 14 05:35:29 RST38h: I tried to connect to the 'clicked' event Oct 14 05:35:43 although im just now discovering wht an EventBox is Oct 14 05:36:03 "GtkImage is a "no window" widget (has no GdkWindow of its own), so by default does not receive events. If you want to receive events on the image, such as button clicks, place the image inside a GtkEventBox, then connect to the event signals on the event box. " Oct 14 05:36:24 :-) I figured that out the hard way -- where did you find such helpful documentation? Oct 14 05:36:36 (EventBox worked perfectly, btw) Oct 14 05:37:27 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkImage.html Oct 14 05:37:42 ty :) Oct 14 05:38:31 zgold: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines#Interaction might also be helpful to make sure your widget fits the rest. Oct 14 05:39:01 Yeah, I fully intend for this widget to be abnormal and take up an entire desktop Oct 14 05:39:50 hmm a memory card comes up in the device tree ? Oct 14 05:40:03 * zerojay rolls his eyes. Oct 14 05:40:37 * RST38h wonders if he should tell zerojay what he thinks of the quoted URLs, then decides to skip on profanity this time Oct 14 05:40:57 RST38h: What's the big problem with them? Oct 14 05:41:11 Don't get me wrong -- I am all for UI guidelines Oct 14 05:41:31 but this isn't a normal widget. Its a comic displayer, which really doesn't have value unless you can actually see the whole comic Oct 14 05:42:00 In polite terms, they try to enforce the same UI for everybody independently on whether it fits the purpose, and the UI definition itself is far from perfect Oct 14 05:46:04 zgold: Are you planning on making it scrollable? Oct 14 05:46:26 zerojay: at the moment, no Oct 14 05:46:53 probably will have to eventually Oct 14 05:46:54 Not all of xkcd strips will fit 800x480. Oct 14 05:47:05 Agreed Oct 14 05:47:15 just so happens that today's fits perfectly :) Oct 14 05:47:24 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/anatomy_text.png Oct 14 05:47:44 good choice Oct 14 05:47:58 proper way to spawn browser is dbus, yes? Oct 14 05:48:06 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tech_support_cheat_sheet.png - I didn't realize they sometimes made them this big. :/ Oct 14 05:48:35 zgold: As far as I know, yes. Oct 14 05:48:48 im looking for dbus docs :/ Oct 14 06:01:12 zerojay: you think panning is even possible on desktop? Oct 14 06:14:46 X-Fade: ping Oct 14 06:24:27 ab: Got the code + paper? Oct 14 06:25:15 RST38h, when did you send it? Oct 14 06:25:42 yesterday night to samba acct Oct 14 06:26:02 I do not see anything Oct 14 06:26:22 Hmmm...Ok, let me retry. Please msg some other email address Oct 14 07:37:31 uh-oh, trying to install hermes Oct 14 07:38:00 morning Oct 14 07:41:18 anyone used the n900 for a music-center? i'm wondering if the media player has some feature for importing playlists i've missed Oct 14 07:42:56 morning Oct 14 07:56:51 samppa: ping Oct 14 08:01:45 come on Garage, can someone reboot the 770 please? Oct 14 08:02:20 word Oct 14 08:02:28 o/ lardman Oct 14 08:02:33 hey crashanddie, how's things Oct 14 08:02:40 tired Oct 14 08:02:43 very tired Oct 14 08:02:49 went for a bike ride last night Oct 14 08:02:52 you're getting old ;) Oct 14 08:02:58 2 hours in the freezing cold around dorking Oct 14 08:03:07 nice! Oct 14 08:03:15 absolutely beautiful, and very good fun, but seriously, my fingers were freezing Oct 14 08:03:35 (got new tyres my bike has well, immensely more amounts of grip) Oct 14 08:03:50 lardman, how are you guys doing? Got back home AOK> Oct 14 08:03:52 ? Oct 14 08:03:55 going back on topic briefly, something really does need to be done about Garage, it is painfully slow Oct 14 08:04:22 crashanddie: yeah, long old day, but back and have slept a fair bit so most of the alcohol is out of my system now Oct 14 08:05:35 all those bloody Symbian users downloading Python I bet ;) Oct 14 08:07:36 argh, connection refused, serve me right for badmouthing Garage Oct 14 08:08:01 lardman, good Oct 14 08:08:07 lardman, did holly enjoy herself? Oct 14 08:08:22 yes, was nice for her to get away from work Oct 14 08:08:27 I can't imagine being squashed between a bunch of geeks is most people's idea of a romantic weekend Oct 14 08:08:47 gotta run, late for work Oct 14 08:08:49 talk later Oct 14 08:08:52 ah, wasn't supposed to be romantic, I was on work, she was tagging along Oct 14 08:08:57 ok, cu later Oct 14 08:10:14 hm gst-dsp and gst-ti now Oct 14 08:10:23 yes, looks nice Oct 14 08:10:32 or rather sounds nice, have not had a chance to look yet Oct 14 08:11:14 lardman to me it seems like a double work Oct 14 08:11:37 yeah Oct 14 08:11:43 but gst-dsp seems to work around the prop stuff of ti Oct 14 08:11:49 I've not looked closely, I presume there was a reason to do it Oct 14 08:11:53 yep Oct 14 08:12:17 gst-dsp is i am told much much faster than using gst-openmax Oct 14 08:12:29 zaheerm: cool Oct 14 08:12:38 yay! someone's rebooted the 770! Oct 14 08:13:23 tho i am a bit surprised the package installed on the n900 currently has no h264 decoding, so it will use the openmax h264 decoder for h264 clips currently Oct 14 08:13:31 hopefully that will change Oct 14 08:13:45 zaheerm aehm gst-ti hast h264 support Oct 14 08:14:26 hm gst-dsp -> ou'll need these ringio.dll64P, usn.dll64P, and the corresponding Oct 14 08:14:26 6 Oct 14 08:14:27 SN mp4vdec_sn.dll64P (MPEG-4 video), h264vdec_sn.dll64P (H.264). Oct 14 08:14:40 but no hint where to download Oct 14 08:14:43 hahahaaaa Oct 14 08:18:37 ah hm they are in openmax Oct 14 08:19:06 openmax :| Oct 14 08:19:44 avahi: still broken Oct 14 08:19:52 avahi suckz Oct 14 08:19:54 (ordering of inistscripts) Oct 14 08:20:00 like networkmanager Oct 14 08:20:23 it would be nice if it worked though Oct 14 08:20:28 e.g. at the summit Oct 14 08:20:55 hm I like the gst-ti approach more looking at the stuff Oct 14 08:21:19 anyone got theyre hands on n900? Oct 14 08:21:43 Is till- Till Harbaum? Oct 14 08:21:43 frankS2: yup Oct 14 08:22:04 hey mgedmin Oct 14 08:22:10 hey, lardman Oct 14 08:22:53 mgedmin: nice, where did u get it? Oct 14 08:23:00 frankS2, yah they lent everyone who was at summit on weekend one for 6 months Oct 14 08:23:01 maemo summit in amsterdam Oct 14 08:23:09 back of a truck ;) Oct 14 08:23:10 oh sweet Oct 14 08:23:15 anyone have an idea for when it comes for sale? Oct 14 08:23:23 late october/early november Oct 14 08:23:23 end of the month Oct 14 08:23:28 niiice Oct 14 08:23:30 :) Oct 14 08:24:00 i cancelled my pre-order, will re-order when i have to give it back :) Oct 14 08:24:06 * mgedmin has a laptop, a n900 and only one sim card with 3g Oct 14 08:24:12 * mgedmin desperately needs internet connection sharing Oct 14 08:24:30 mgedmin and where is the problem? Oct 14 08:25:01 there's no "pretend to be a wifi access point and share your 3g connection" option on my n900 Oct 14 08:25:26 use usbnet Oct 14 08:25:36 afaiu there's some kind of crazy plug-in-usb-cable-and-run-nokia-pc-suite-on-laptop-to-use-the-n900-as-a-modem Oct 14 08:25:41 mgedmin, only a matter of time before one makes a 3g wifif router on the n900 Oct 14 08:25:56 maybee the wifi driver dont has ap support yet? Oct 14 08:26:02 two problems: no pc suite on linux, n900 apps can't use connection at the same time, needs a cable Oct 14 08:26:05 er, three problems Oct 14 08:26:05 which wifi card is in the n900? Oct 14 08:26:13 and which kernel at the moment? Oct 14 08:26:20 I should look into usbnet, I suppose Oct 14 08:26:28 2.6.28-omap1 Oct 14 08:26:38 ?????? Oct 14 08:26:42 omap1? Oct 14 08:26:52 what a namingfuck Oct 14 08:26:53 that's what uname -a says Oct 14 08:27:56 -omap1 as in -rc1, -rc2 etc Oct 14 08:28:16 eg. the first omap patchlevel on top of 2.6.28 Oct 14 08:28:20 mgedmin: the PC suite mode is just g_ether + some extra stuff Oct 14 08:28:29 suihkulokki lol you know there are omap1 omap2 and omap3 platforms Oct 14 08:28:34 so its namingfuck Oct 14 08:28:39 it ought to work, but I didn't have enough time to make it work yesterday Oct 14 08:28:52 lardman: that probably would make some kind of sense to me if read up on it (and had time to read up on it) Oct 14 08:29:05 adhoc wifi between my n900 and my laptop was utter failure Oct 14 08:29:22 I've never had much luck with adhoc Oct 14 08:29:24 as in: I'm not competent enough to configure it Oct 14 08:29:37 mgedmin open a shell Oct 14 08:29:41 "connecting to the adhoc wifi connection you created . . . . . . . . . failed" Oct 14 08:29:45 and look if there are iw or iwconfig now Oct 14 08:30:03 iwconfig ain't there Oct 14 08:30:09 iw ditto Oct 14 08:30:12 urgs Oct 14 08:30:20 same mistake as in diablo Oct 14 08:30:35 might be installable from some repo somewhere Oct 14 08:31:04 speaking of which, I need to add the tools repo Oct 14 08:31:04 I hate typing urls by hand Oct 14 08:31:12 is there a .install file somewhere I could click? Oct 14 08:31:36 there used to be a site didn't there, just with lots of .install files Oct 14 08:32:01 should add it as an enhancement request for maemo.org ;) Oct 14 08:35:07 are .install files even supported in maemo 5? Oct 14 08:35:13 yes Oct 14 08:35:27 then we should create one and put a link to it here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Oct 14 08:35:28 i think ovi store expects to use them Oct 14 08:44:21 here's a working .install file: http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install Oct 14 08:46:15 good to see you still use 770 in your urls, just like me Oct 14 08:46:21 :) Oct 14 08:46:27 heh Oct 14 08:46:54 lol Oct 14 08:47:01 I dont use any 770 stuff Oct 14 08:47:04 cool urls don't change etc Oct 14 08:48:42 aah, sshfs at last Oct 14 08:49:12 :) Oct 14 08:50:39 bbl Oct 14 08:52:44 timeless, thx for the comment on the prioritypass website bug Oct 14 08:52:48 is there a way of hosting that .install file somewhere within the maemo.org domain? Oct 14 08:53:41 zaheerm: =) Oct 14 08:53:49 thanks for being responsive, it's very much appreciated Oct 14 08:55:15 lack of icons for the home ip applet: known bug, or something broken on my n900 only? Oct 14 08:55:26 timeless_mbp, yes it was a problem with the site then, i didn't have anything but my n900 when going to that site on sunday..when i got back i tried with firefox and it worked, assumed it was an n900 issue without checking it on the n900 at time and posted the bug Oct 14 08:58:04 does n900 skype support being called by a computer into a skype multi-user conference? Oct 14 08:58:24 zaheerm: it shouldn't know the difference, right? Oct 14 08:58:26 want to call me? Oct 14 08:59:32 timeless_mbp, well i have a meeting in a minute where they'll call me over skype :) Oct 14 08:59:34 zaheerm: ah yes, people should definitely test with their device at the time of filing :) Oct 14 08:59:45 zaheerm: oh, well... easy enough for you to test :) Oct 14 09:00:10 timeless_mbp, yes next bug i'll test with device at time of filing :) Oct 14 09:00:21 :), life is a learning experience Oct 14 09:02:00 i have a gtk VBox and i put a hildon button in it below a TouchSelector and 2 hildon entries but button looks weird, as if it is 2 buttons but with text centred over the crack in the two buttons...however it works as one button Oct 14 09:02:12 zaheerm: the n810 worked just fine in multi-user skyperences Oct 14 09:02:25 couldn't initiate one from the ui, but when called could participate just fine Oct 14 09:03:25 zaheerm: my guess would be that you're allowing the widget to expand, and the theme only supports fixed-height buttons Oct 14 09:05:00 mgedmin, interesting...i just used the default settings for vbox Oct 14 09:05:25 yeah, well Oct 14 09:05:48 one of the things that irritated me most about glade was that you had to fiddle with all kinds of settings to make a UI conform to the HIG Oct 14 09:05:55 instead of glade setting up the defaults for you Oct 14 09:09:23 i'm not using glade Oct 14 09:09:33 or libglade, just creating ui manually Oct 14 09:10:05 right Oct 14 09:10:21 IIRC when you add a widget to a vbox, you can specify whether you want it to expand or not Oct 14 09:12:07 gtk_box_pack_start(vbox, button, FALSE, FALSE, 0) Oct 14 09:14:42 aah i just did, add...will use pack_start Oct 14 09:20:23 mgedmin: thx Oct 14 09:20:50 mgedmin, it fixed it nicely Oct 14 09:21:34 i love the original star trek Oct 14 09:21:54 an interstellar space ship with the capabilities of destroying entire planets.. and they still take photographs :) Oct 14 09:23:51 could someone try loading http://www.altinportakal.org.tr/ Oct 14 09:25:03 it saysy 10 Oct 14 09:27:28 timeless_mbp, has a picture of a man's chest Oct 14 09:27:53 it's supposedly a ... actually, i dunno Oct 14 09:27:55 try using it Oct 14 09:27:59 aah wrong one Oct 14 09:28:05 haha Oct 14 09:28:13 timeless_mbp: it uses flash or something Oct 14 09:28:21 yah has flash Oct 14 09:28:23 don't think i have it on my tb :) Oct 14 09:28:27 with annoying sound Oct 14 09:28:31 haha Oct 14 09:28:38 ah well.. i have to take a shower.. later Oct 14 09:28:43 Robot101: have you btw advertised on the clug mailing list? Oct 14 09:29:16 stupid question, I just looked and it seems you haven't Oct 14 09:29:27 Moo, Macer, Myrtti Oct 14 09:29:37 moo RST38h Oct 14 09:29:54 word Oct 14 09:29:56 bbl Oct 14 09:31:06 Morning, all Oct 14 09:42:06 ensi, libosso-abook compilation erorr libosso-abook/osso-abook-contact-detail-store.h:65: error: comma at end of enumerator list Oct 14 09:42:30 hi jaffa Oct 14 09:42:32 Hello all, Good morning Oct 14 09:42:39 hi rst Oct 14 09:42:47 Problem in the library, libosso-abook-1.0 Oct 14 09:42:54 Compilation error... Oct 14 09:43:05 samad: is that the only error? Oct 14 09:43:09 Is there any body, who knows about it Oct 14 09:43:12 heya woglinde Oct 14 09:43:13 ? Oct 14 09:43:41 anyone here use twitter? Oct 14 09:44:35 ensi: I think there are some other errors Oct 14 09:45:00 ensi: So it might be the problem of the library.... Oct 14 09:45:16 ensi, there is another error ibosso-abook/osso-abook-contact.h:234: error: invalid conversion from 'const void*' to 'const char*' Oct 14 09:45:17 Oct 14 09:45:25 ensi: The people did something wrong with that library Oct 14 09:46:49 error: invalid conversion from 'int' to 'OssoABookCapsFla Oct 14 09:47:25 ensi: Look at the code of, "osso-abook-button.h" typedef enum { Oct 14 09:47:25 OSSO_ABOOK_BUTTON_STYLE_NORMAL, Oct 14 09:47:25 OSSO_ABOOK_BUTTON_STYLE_PICKER, Oct 14 09:47:25 OSSO_ABOOK_BUTTON_STYLE_LABEL, Oct 14 09:47:25 } OssoABookButtonStyle; Oct 14 09:47:39 samad: are you using C++ or C? Oct 14 09:47:41 It is totally wrong...! Oct 14 09:48:07 c++ Oct 14 09:48:38 -- Oct 14 09:48:39 Support for trailing coma is part of the C99 standard. AFAIK, it should be included in C++ standard as well. See here: Oct 14 09:48:39 http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/cwg_defects.html#518 Oct 14 09:48:39 -- Oct 14 09:49:04 -- Oct 14 09:49:05 timeless: GCC is not C99 compatible Oct 14 09:49:05 Ineresting - a trailing comma on an enumerator-list has been in ANSI C syntax from the start (6.7.2.2), Oct 14 09:49:05 -- Oct 14 09:49:24 cvandonderen: i'm randomly quoting : Oct 14 09:49:25 :) Oct 14 09:49:46 timeless_mbp: then what could be done Oct 14 09:49:49 then how can i solved the problem Oct 14 09:49:59 extern "C" { Oct 14 09:50:06 #include Oct 14 09:50:07 } Oct 14 09:50:15 99% of maemo5 files are C, not C++ Oct 14 09:50:43 trying to import a C file as C++ is a terrible idea Oct 14 09:50:43 you should thank your compiler for warning you Oct 14 09:50:43 (and then complain that its warning sucked) Oct 14 09:51:20 timeless_mbp: uh, extern "C" changes the acceptable grammar? Oct 14 09:51:31 um... well... um Oct 14 09:51:34 try it? Oct 14 09:51:42 I guess I have to. :) Oct 14 09:51:46 * timeless_mbp doesn't want to setup scratchbox Oct 14 09:51:51 or launch vbox:Mer Oct 14 09:51:56 timeless_mbp , thanks a lot i am trying Oct 14 09:52:06 * nomis was under the impression that this extern "C" was mostly about prohibiting name mangeling. Oct 14 09:52:23 re Oct 14 09:52:27 http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/mixing-c-and-cpp.html Oct 14 09:52:29 * timeless_mbp chuckles Oct 14 09:53:14 http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/mixing-c-and-cpp.html#faq-32.3 Oct 14 09:53:42 you're welcome to try filing bugs asking for 32.4 from the abook people Oct 14 09:53:45 they'll sadly ignore you Oct 14 09:53:45 samad: osso-abook doesnt compile as C++ Oct 14 09:53:50 only compiles as C code Oct 14 09:53:52 iirc we hit that internally Oct 14 09:53:53 the headers are fucked up Oct 14 09:54:02 don't ask me why we were pulling in their junk Oct 14 09:54:27 timeless_mbp: I usually find the C++ FQA more enlightening: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/mixing.html#fqa-32.3 Oct 14 09:54:47 Which kernel will be in the n900 ? Oct 14 09:55:12 > Too bad there's no extern "C++ compiled with a different compiler". Oct 14 09:55:21 g55: what's that mean? Oct 14 09:55:30 do you want the entire binary for an unshipped product? Oct 14 09:55:39 g55: linux kernel, duh ;p Oct 14 09:55:54 ensiL i am agreed with you Oct 14 09:55:55 2.6.28-omap1 Oct 14 09:55:57 roughly Oct 14 09:56:04 whatever the heck that means Oct 14 09:56:05 ensi right u r Oct 14 09:56:20 and keep in mind there might be random changes which will be available as proper diffs somewhere Oct 14 09:57:07 the g++ on my desktop machine does not complain about the trailing comma when compiling c++. Oct 14 09:57:14 I only know the n770 boardfile in the mainline kernel. Where are the sources for n900 ? Oct 14 09:57:35 g55: for a product that hasn't shipped? Oct 14 09:57:41 what kind of question is that? Oct 14 09:58:07 in general, gpl requires that the sources be provided to recipients of the binary upon request Oct 14 09:58:12 samad: got the same problem myself Oct 14 09:58:19 well some of them are out, so some people could have requested Oct 14 09:58:26 of note, the people who don't work for nokia who happen to have n900s have them under loan Oct 14 09:58:37 ensi yes thats the problem Oct 14 09:58:38 i'm not quite sure about the terms of the loan, as i was inelligible Oct 14 09:59:10 I want to buy an n900 and want to know, whether there is some information on the kernel. Oct 14 09:59:11 i can certainly imagine that anyone of the recipients who asked for the sources for a prerelease would find them receiving the sources + a prepaid return device to sender package Oct 14 09:59:21 if the loan is a used as a way to circumvent the GPL, it's not really nice ;) Oct 14 09:59:23 g55: again, the kernel will be the one that is included in the box Oct 14 09:59:35 since afaik, the precise binary isn't known Oct 14 09:59:43 it's impossible to say in any useful manner Oct 14 09:59:50 "i'll know it when i see it" Oct 14 09:59:52 it's not even yet finalized, is it? Oct 14 09:59:59 afaik it isn't Oct 14 10:00:18 Corsac: anyone who actually buys a device is certainly entitled to request the source Oct 14 10:00:20 I didn't yet examined all the sdk contents, how much maemo5 sources is available atm? Oct 14 10:00:27 * timeless_mbp shrugs Oct 14 10:00:28 timeless_mbp: with a nice postcard! Oct 14 10:00:33 oh sure Oct 14 10:00:41 and a note "please don't expect to get another loaner from us" Oct 14 10:00:50 * timeless_mbp should actually build an xref for maemo5 and maemo5-sdk Oct 14 10:00:55 indeed Oct 14 10:01:05 though if nokia only provides an email address ist's kind-of hard to send a real postcard :( Oct 14 10:01:05 lemme finish my localization app Oct 14 10:01:31 Corsac: again, i didn't see the contract people signed, i have no idea what it says Oct 14 10:01:45 however i believe the gpl says one can deliver it in similar means to the original binary Oct 14 10:01:46 ask Faust! Oct 14 10:01:54 the binary was delivered in person, not electronically Oct 14 10:02:20 "sure, come to HEL, return your device, we'll give you the sources" :) Oct 14 10:02:33 hell Oct 14 10:02:39 i'm not saying we'd do that Oct 14 10:02:46 yeah well, when you buy the device it's given to you in person, not electronically :) Oct 14 10:02:51 it's just that a loaner program involves a certain deal of trust Oct 14 10:03:04 I think if you ask the reseller about the source, he'll just look at you weirdly Oct 14 10:03:11 (sadly) Oct 14 10:03:19 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 14 10:03:21 scariest thing that could happen: nokia is unhappy with the loaned program and doesn't give us n1000s next year Oct 14 10:03:29 is he violating the distribution terms? :) Oct 14 10:03:31 mgedmin, :) Oct 14 10:03:32 n1000 is such a crappy name Oct 14 10:03:42 yeah, I doubt they'll use that Oct 14 10:03:44 mgedmin: nokia didn't give me one this year! Oct 14 10:03:48 they could make the m series Oct 14 10:03:53 nA00? Oct 14 10:03:57 note that 4 and 3 digit numbering spaces are unrelated Oct 14 10:03:58 timeless_mbp: I'm not exactly sure yeah Oct 14 10:04:05 and 3 v. n+3 are unrelated Oct 14 10:04:08 wrap around to n100? Oct 14 10:04:11 we used to joke about nokia having x110.. like 2110 3110 etc... 11110 Oct 14 10:04:24 nA00 Oct 14 10:04:30 n1k Oct 14 10:04:41 n1k, now for 1ke? Oct 14 10:04:42 nokia m001 Oct 14 10:04:45 personally, i want an e900 Oct 14 10:04:47 mgedmin: damn sorry Oct 14 10:04:52 * timeless_mbp is not a fan of n Oct 14 10:04:54 mgedmin: I didn't see you wrote it before :/ Oct 14 10:04:56 timeless_mbp: sip voip included? Oct 14 10:05:01 timeless, in aluminium? Oct 14 10:05:02 glass__: eh? Oct 14 10:05:12 zaheerm: the e90 was black plastic Oct 14 10:05:12 glass, in N900? yeah Oct 14 10:05:25 glass__: i've used googletalk Call Oct 14 10:05:26 timeless_mbp, the e51 and e71 weren't Oct 14 10:05:27 it works Oct 14 10:05:28 timeless_mbp: joke about nokia leaving stuff out of n devices thats in e Oct 14 10:05:48 interesting Oct 14 10:05:48 maemo 5 let me add my ekiga.net SIP account; I haven't tried making any SIP calls yet Oct 14 10:05:50 That E900 mockup looked awesome ;-) Oct 14 10:05:57 ShadowJK: url? Oct 14 10:05:58 like home screen email preview Oct 14 10:05:59 * timeless_mbp missed that Oct 14 10:06:02 * mgedmin googles e900 Oct 14 10:06:16 it was on planet.m.o Oct 14 10:06:27 there's a samsung phone of that name Oct 14 10:06:34 timeless_mbp, http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/nokia-e900/ Oct 14 10:06:41 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/nokia-e900/ Oct 14 10:06:56 Plus: tab! Oct 14 10:06:59 Negative: no y Oct 14 10:07:21 ShadowJK, yah they mixed german and english layouts :) Oct 14 10:07:36 um Oct 14 10:07:42 where's the 'y' key on that kyeboard? Oct 14 10:07:50 space bar between b and n sucks Oct 14 10:07:53 timeless, compromises compromises Oct 14 10:08:10 they mixed it up with the yen character which is the same as \ due to microsoft sillyness Oct 14 10:08:11 timeless_mbp, people should accept, not ask why the y is not there ;) Oct 14 10:08:12 zaheerm: a lot of people want it Oct 14 10:08:14 y can be accessed through chr, surely.. oh wait, there's no chr... Oct 14 10:08:29 mgedmin: yeah that one was cute Oct 14 10:08:53 at least you can reach % easily Oct 14 10:08:56 * timeless_mbp grumbles Oct 14 10:09:07 also red and green hardware keys for hangup and call is nice to have Oct 14 10:09:11 typing in IP addresses should be easy too Oct 14 10:09:29 oh sure, there's a business case for that... Oct 14 10:10:02 is there really no way to select & copy text from emails? Oct 14 10:10:18 * RST38h ehlos wazd, mgedmin Oct 14 10:10:19 try dragging from the bottom left edge of the email to the right a bit Oct 14 10:10:24 timeless, yeah but Nokia is so future-proof that all keyboards since E70 are optimized for IPv6 :( Oct 14 10:10:26 mgedmin, currently only through replying to get a real textview and then selecting in that Oct 14 10:10:38 zaheerm: nice cheat! Oct 14 10:10:41 does anyone happen to have prebuilt maemo deb for despotify? tried gspotify but the splash screen gets stuck on screen Oct 14 10:10:43 * mgedmin didn't think of that Oct 14 10:10:51 ok, that doesn't work Oct 14 10:10:54 but yeah, i reply Oct 14 10:10:55 mgedmin, yah it was very frustrating Oct 14 10:11:12 the browser-like drag-from-left-to-enter-select-mode gesture ought to be part of the hildon text view widget, I think Oct 14 10:11:50 in diablo you could just hammer the screen with the stylus and eventually text would be selected :/ Oct 14 10:12:03 * mgedmin currently mostly misses plus/minus keys in fbreader and the ability to type Lithuanian letters Oct 14 10:12:12 heya all Oct 14 10:12:36 jeremiah: ping Oct 14 10:12:40 hi wazd Oct 14 10:30:52 Maemo summit security: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43614522@N08/4009380327/ :P Oct 14 10:30:56 lardman, ^ Oct 14 10:31:03 crashanddie, ^ Oct 14 10:36:50 oh dear Oct 14 10:36:59 lool Oct 14 10:37:16 hah Oct 14 10:40:36 nah Oct 14 10:40:43 summit security wore black suits Oct 14 10:40:48 * timeless_mbp would have been a better poser Oct 14 10:43:54 mhh, the sdk doesn't include gstreamer? how can I get it? Oct 14 10:44:24 #include gst/gst.h: No such file or directory :( Oct 14 10:46:14 mh but gstreamer is installed. Oct 14 10:47:42 gstreamer0.10-devel you probably need Oct 14 10:47:43 ah nevermind Oct 14 10:47:51 didn't link in makefile Oct 14 10:48:09 zaheerm: I do? why? Oct 14 10:48:22 :) Oct 14 10:48:22 I just had the best idea Oct 14 10:48:26 lcuk: you're going to love it Oct 14 10:48:30 I'll write the app tonight Oct 14 10:48:35 `pkg-config gstreamer-0.10 --cflags --libs` Oct 14 10:48:42 lcuk: I might need the source code of liqflow Oct 14 10:48:56 re Oct 14 10:49:31 zaheerm: yeah, sure. Oct 14 10:49:44 zaheerm hm why mix CFLAGS and LDFAGS? Oct 14 10:49:55 thats not good style Oct 14 10:50:11 if he is doing just gcc -o abc abc.c Oct 14 10:50:13 then it is fine Oct 14 10:50:33 if he has multiple files etc. and needs a proper Makefile separate them Oct 14 10:52:32 hello ! Oct 14 10:53:20 someone know to make settings in about:config permanent ? Oct 14 10:53:45 as setting user-agent for example isn t permanent Oct 14 10:54:17 and is reset to default each time you start or restart microb Oct 14 10:56:51 Khertan: ~/.mozilla/*js ? Oct 14 10:57:04 Khertan: there is a js file that sets them all, change it Oct 14 11:03:39 thank youm rst38h Oct 14 11:04:09 Argh, I cannot reset my Qaiku password: "Cannot send message without a sender address POST not allowed (POST /settings/forgotpassword/)" Oct 14 11:05:05 extras-devel is broken.. again. Oct 14 11:05:11 Release file is fucked. Oct 14 11:05:20 Hmm, WTF is going on? Oct 14 11:05:26 X-Fade & jeremiah_ pings Oct 14 11:05:45 hiyo Oct 14 11:05:55 Some sort of race condition was what they said yesterday. Oct 14 11:07:03 the .mozilla/microb/prefs.js contain it but is rewrite at each start Oct 14 11:07:36 it should not be rewritten Oct 14 11:07:45 qwerty: around? Oct 14 11:07:50 can we ban users? Oct 14 11:08:08 on tmo? Oct 14 11:08:22 so i should submit a bug Oct 14 11:08:30 crashanddie_, its in the git repo Oct 14 11:10:03 Khertan: Wait Oct 14 11:10:29 Khertan: Try this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Oct 14 11:10:42 lcuk: k Oct 14 11:10:47 crashanddie_: Who? Oct 14 11:11:00 zerojay: "pppppppppppp" Oct 14 11:11:40 Oh yeah, that bitch can die. Oct 14 11:14:10 crashanddie_: what's your cool app then? Oct 14 11:14:17 lardman: wait and see Oct 14 11:14:17 sorry i ve been disconnected Oct 14 11:14:29 crashanddie_: python? Oct 14 11:14:39 lardman: maybe, if the correct API is available Oct 14 11:14:42 rst38h could you resend your link ? Oct 14 11:14:49 [12:11] Khertan: Try this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Oct 14 11:14:54 crashanddie_: k, let me know if you need anything Oct 14 11:15:15 lardman: is the API to the accelerometer available from python? Oct 14 11:15:22 ps google wave is useable on the n900 ... amazing browser Oct 14 11:15:42 crashanddie_: yeah, check Jaffa's Horizon Oct 14 11:15:48 crashanddie : you can read value directly Oct 14 11:16:03 lardman: good Oct 14 11:16:11 but it s seems doing it like me made some delay Oct 14 11:16:19 look at msaber Oct 14 11:16:36 crashanddie_, liqflow isnt python tho Oct 14 11:16:45 lcuk: no shite? Oct 14 11:16:46 :P Oct 14 11:16:51 ;) Oct 14 11:19:15 where's Jamie, I still need to send him videos...? Oct 14 11:20:30 I need to do something with gstreamer for my app, but although I included , I'm getting undefined reference to `gst_x_overlay_get_type errors. Any idea how to fix this? do I need to link it against something else? ATM I'm doing CFLAGS= -Wall -pedantic `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES) --libs libcurl gstreamer-0.10` Oct 14 11:21:03 * javispedro counts number of days missing to 3d drivers... Oct 14 11:21:23 Shapeshifter: your pkg-config string is odd Oct 14 11:21:46 is gstreamer in $(LIBRARIES) too? Oct 14 11:21:53 does it find the include file? Oct 14 11:23:30 lardman: it does find the include file but gstreamer is not in LIBRARIES but in EXTRA_LIBRARIES Oct 14 11:23:58 I don't see that in the string you posted Oct 14 11:24:30 it's a linker error though is it? Oct 14 11:24:42 yep (from the msg) Oct 14 11:24:55 better post the full makefile... Oct 14 11:25:05 post/pastebin Oct 14 11:25:20 CFLAGS= ..... Oct 14 11:25:30 do you not want some of that in LD_FLAGS? Oct 14 11:25:42 because depending on how you wrote it you may need to put --libs in §LiBs Oct 14 11:25:53 er.. $LIBS Oct 14 11:26:00 lardman: yes. LIBRARIES=gconf-2.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 gtk+-2.0 gdk-2.0 gconf-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 and EXTRA_LIBRARIES=gstreamer-0.10 and CFLAGS= -Wall -pedantic `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES) --libs libcurl gstreamer-0.10` and EXTRA_CFLAGS= -Wall -pedantic `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES) $(EXTRA_LIBRARIES)` and LDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs $(LIBRARIES)` and EXTRA_LDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs $(LIBRARIES) $(EXTRA_LIBRARIES)` Oct 14 11:26:19 I honestly took this more or less 1on1 from the maemo_examples makefile and removed bits I don't need. Oct 14 11:26:19 again mixing CLFAGS and LDFLAGS is bad style Oct 14 11:26:27 wow, that's complicated Oct 14 11:26:51 if someone would reboot the 770 running Garage, I'd post a link to the makefile I use Oct 14 11:27:26 shapeshifter *sigh* get familiar with Makefiles gcc stuff and perhaps autotools Oct 14 11:27:33 will make your life easier Oct 14 11:27:39 woglinde: yeah. :| will do that. Oct 14 11:27:39 traut: ping Oct 14 11:27:43 not autotools Oct 14 11:27:52 lardman not again this discussion Oct 14 11:27:56 lol Oct 14 11:28:19 X-Fade: ping Oct 14 11:28:26 X-Fade: any ideas what's up with Garage today? Oct 14 11:28:50 traut: Python access to osso-abook: http://tinyurl.com/ygtm58n and http://tinyurl.com/yjx2laj Oct 14 11:29:47 * lardman considers driving home, booting his PC and sending Makefile from there, rather than waiting for Garage to respond Oct 14 11:35:17 Oct 14 11:36:31 Shapeshifter, do a real pastebin of that makefile Oct 14 11:36:44 or is that the whole thing Oct 14 11:40:23 documentation bugs go to bugs.maemo.org I take it? Oct 14 11:41:05 lardman: Yup. Or, lots on the wiki now, just fix it ;-) Oct 14 11:41:18 ah, that's true Oct 14 11:41:27 assuming I have permission to alter the api docs Oct 14 11:43:47 Shapeshifter: ping me later about a working Makefile for gstreamer if you still need one, just keeping that window open is annoying the hell out of me with the waiting Oct 14 11:49:59 * RST38h rotfls thrice: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5321 Oct 14 11:50:36 lol Oct 14 11:50:46 This is what is known as "pr disaster" Oct 14 11:51:05 well, it's in the bugtracker, so no "users" are likely to see it Oct 14 11:51:12 "Users do not really need it / WONTFIX == Wait, we have fixed it! / REOPENED" Oct 14 11:51:48 i giggled a bit at that :) Oct 14 11:52:01 Andre should really reconsider his approach to providing reasons for WONTFIX/enhancement :) Oct 14 11:52:23 RST38h: ping him, he's online Oct 14 11:52:56 lardman: I have been telling him to stop bullshitting people yesterday Oct 14 11:53:11 hard to know if the recipient of the bug has actually said that it won't be fixed, then changed his mind Oct 14 11:53:21 lardman: useless. I can only hope that he is really just a messenger for these comments Oct 14 11:54:00 that's exactly what he is Oct 14 11:54:15 then the next guy in line has to stop bullshitting people Oct 14 11:54:22 he's in a difficult posn bridging the gap Oct 14 11:54:36 I work for a huge corporation, I KNOW why bugs are labelled "enhancements" or "wontfix" Oct 14 11:55:17 And it is not because they are real enhancements or invalid Oct 14 11:56:55 I think I ran into a bug on my N900... Oct 14 11:57:08 really? :) Oct 14 11:57:30 omg Oct 14 11:57:34 Added Conboy and gpodder, and removed some other apps, and now the More... page of applications no longer scrolls, though it does not show completely either Oct 14 11:57:56 Lynoure: Maybe you do not have enough apps there to require scrolling? Oct 14 11:57:57 adeus: not really surprised about there being a bug, just baffled by this bug :) Oct 14 11:58:13 RST38h: IMO, more than one page ought to be enough Oct 14 11:58:46 RST38h: showing 3 top pixels is not quite sufficient =) Oct 14 11:59:54 at least I can get to them through launchers after adding those to the desktop :) Oct 14 12:01:26 lardman: Battling with insane loads all day. Oct 14 12:02:29 X-Fade: Garage? Oct 14 12:03:01 lardman: Yeah, some processes keep running away. Oct 14 12:04:05 Is painful Oct 14 12:04:35 I imagine my repeated stabbing of F5 doesn't help either ;) Oct 14 12:06:06 lol lardman, dont tell him that you opened 20 tabs too Oct 14 12:06:22 no, one was enough to drive my blood pressure up Oct 14 12:06:43 boo Oct 14 12:08:36 Jaffa: thanks, but I've realized that I need select contact widget Oct 14 12:08:45 Jaffa: not just address book data Oct 14 12:09:10 nice to see that the osso-abook can be used to grab presence data Oct 14 12:09:33 6 hours of use and battery is almost empty Oct 14 12:09:38 Jaffa: I didn't find how to push in osso-abook widget request method GtkWindow pointer from python Oct 14 12:09:45 listening a lecture by tekojo \o/ Oct 14 12:10:19 khertan2: firefox has prefs.js (overwritten) and user.js (never touched); you're supposed to edit user.js Oct 14 12:10:26 perhaps microb is the same Oct 14 12:10:28 Jaffa: I mean push gtk.Window to osso_abook_contact_chooser_new Oct 14 12:12:38 traut: The osso_abook contact view didn't work for me in Python through ctypes; I got only the left most pixel of the image shown. Oct 14 12:12:58 traut: Which is why I reimplemented my own in Hermes (called contactview.py) Oct 14 12:13:18 Jaffa: yes, I've noticed Oct 14 12:13:20 Lynoure: I've seen that bug too Oct 14 12:13:52 Jaffa: one more thing — evolution.ebook.get_addressbooks returns me [] Oct 14 12:13:52 mgedmin: does adding more stuff help? Or do they get hidden, too? Oct 14 12:14:27 traut: hash() and addressof() will both help. I think I did ebook.gtk_window_add(hash(myPythonGtkWindow), myCtypesPointer) Oct 14 12:14:35 traut: You need to specify "default", IIRC Oct 14 12:14:48 Lynoure: not sure how it happened, but it fixed itself a bit later Oct 14 12:14:51 traut: I don't think you can enumerate them reliably (I've not seen any code which does) Oct 14 12:15:17 Ha! My wife just asked if I "saw the picture message just now" - had to point out the N900 doesn't do MMS. Oct 14 12:15:18 i wonder why my tablet doesnt work on university wireless.. Oct 14 12:15:36 amr: wpa2 with mschap or whatever it is called authentication? Oct 14 12:15:36 amr: because it uses eduroam? Oct 14 12:16:01 amr: FIXED in Fremantle Oct 14 12:16:09 Jaffa: hm. I'll try with hash Oct 14 12:16:10 it's wpa2 PEAP iirc Oct 14 12:16:16 when I specified my username in the advanced settings thingy for the connection I did managed to make it work (although the connection is sometimes still shown as disconnected) on my n900 Oct 14 12:16:46 but i have an n810, X-Fade :p Oct 14 12:17:00 amr: yeah, that is a problem then. Oct 14 12:17:08 i dont think we use eduroam tho Oct 14 12:17:09 amr: just read the thread on maemo lists, there's a fix Oct 14 12:17:19 somewhere in advanced settings you can set the user name Oct 14 12:17:26 mgedmin: only for maemo5 Oct 14 12:17:36 traut_: Yeah, so instead of trying to use the Python API, I turned my Python-created gtk.Window into a pointer and used the C API for it ;-) Oct 14 12:17:42 I missed that part Oct 14 12:18:05 ahh, cheers mgedmin Oct 14 12:18:05 someone mentioned having the same problem on an n810, and then I thought the same someone mentioned the workaround worked for him Oct 14 12:18:09 oh, wank Oct 14 12:18:15 well ill have a go anyway Oct 14 12:18:24 but then again maybe that someone had both tablets and the workaround worked on the n900 Oct 14 12:18:26 so dunno Oct 14 12:18:30 i can still get on to their web-authentication ap, but i cant access anything other than port 80 if i login that way Oct 14 12:18:35 read the list, check bugzilla, pray, hope Oct 14 12:18:43 lol Oct 14 12:18:45 will do, thanks Oct 14 12:19:01 port 80 workaround: http://mg.pov.lt/blog/escaping-hotel-firewall.html Oct 14 12:19:19 did graham package proxytunnel for maemo yet? Oct 14 12:19:47 mgedmin: yes, but it failed to build Oct 14 12:19:51 uh oh Oct 14 12:19:56 oh you're a star, mgedmin Oct 14 12:20:00 Yay, I've passed GeneralAntilles on karma :-) Oct 14 12:21:02 X-Fade: do you know any details? because I just tried running 'make' in scratchbox and got a ./proxytunnel binary Oct 14 12:21:14 oh cool, there's a debian subdir already Oct 14 12:22:01 dpkg-buildpackage fails because there's no dh_installman in scratchbox's debhelper Oct 14 12:22:10 sorry, misunderstood Oct 14 12:22:20 there's no manual page in ./debian/ Oct 14 12:22:27 Jaffa: sorry for noob question, but 'abook.osso_abook_contact_chooser_new(hash(self.window), 'Title')' should do the thing? Oct 14 12:22:30 mgedmin: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/proxytunnel_1.9.0-2+maemo-1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Oct 14 12:23:00 Jaffa: it's my first time with ctypes :) Oct 14 12:23:07 so... Oct 14 12:23:20 people reading my bugs.maemo.org bugs can easily see when i used my n900 to type :( Oct 14 12:23:23 > fwiw, this also affects twitter's ability to tell you how many characters you Oct 14 12:23:27 > csn type bwfore hitting its limit. Oct 14 12:23:58 RST38h: were you wearing something grey at the summit? :) Oct 14 12:24:27 so, libmhash looks broken Oct 14 12:24:46 mgedmin: Yeah, probably doesn't use optify properly or so. Oct 14 12:26:58 Hi all, is http://garage.maemo.org/ down ? Oct 14 12:27:02 traut_: It was my first time too. Took a while to get things working and my head around things. Oct 14 12:27:21 lizardo: for a few minutes, yes. Oct 14 12:27:37 lizardo: We're trying to bring the load down to actually do some maintenance. Oct 14 12:28:26 X-Fade: ok thanks, I was starting to wonder if it was some local problem, because it was terribly slow to load some garage pages a few minutes ago :) Oct 14 12:28:26 oh, cool, now I need garage as well Oct 14 12:28:43 lizardo: Load was above 80 ;) Oct 14 12:31:36 X-Fade: well, I hope it is temporary , we are planning the PyMaemo release for ... today :) Oct 14 12:31:51 lizardo: Should be better soon(ish) Oct 14 12:32:03 Jaffa: about 'default' : when I'm trying to make open_addressbook('default') all I get is 'Segmentation fault' Oct 14 12:32:44 ctypes is one of the easiest ways to segfault a python interpreter Oct 14 12:32:52 yeah Oct 14 12:33:19 and no explanations Oct 14 12:33:51 hello! how to make screenshot on n900? Oct 14 12:34:04 plastun: ctrl-shift p Oct 14 12:34:18 plastun: or use load-applet Oct 14 12:34:48 speaking of load-applet, can I ask it to remove those incomprehensible buttons from my statusbar? Oct 14 12:35:23 btw, did people find ctrl-shift-x? Oct 14 12:35:29 only 8 items fit there (not counting battery and volume), and load applet's useless screenshot buttons push the brightness bar offscreen Oct 14 12:35:33 thnks Oct 14 12:35:35 timeless_mbp: yes Oct 14 12:35:45 someone told me about that at lunch today :o Oct 14 12:35:47 timeless_mbp: are those keys documented somewhere? Oct 14 12:36:02 mgedmin: huh? Oct 14 12:36:06 e.g. there's a hidden ctrl+shift+something to enable reflow mode in the browser, but I forgot what the something was Oct 14 12:36:21 mgedmin: there seems to be Oct 14 12:36:38 because when we were looking for keys we were able to know which ones we couldn't take Oct 14 12:37:14 although, these shortcuts don't seem to work the way i'd expect Oct 14 12:37:18 oh, duh, the status are is scrollable Oct 14 12:37:20 silly me Oct 14 12:37:20 ctrl-shift-x doesn't work from this dialog :( Oct 14 12:37:28 mgedmin: what?! Oct 14 12:38:01 RAE Oct 14 12:38:05 why don't people understand me? Oct 14 12:38:27 mgedmin: you mean that when you tap the clock, the thing you get can be scrolled if it has more than 6 rows? Oct 14 12:38:30 what do you call that big bar full of finger-friendly statusy things you get when you tap on the little bar full with tiny status icons? Oct 14 12:38:34 yes Oct 14 12:38:47 oh, it wasn't that i didn't understand you Oct 14 12:38:51 mgedmin: And you have brightness in there? Oct 14 12:38:55 more than 5 rows in my case Oct 14 12:38:57 it's that i was 99% certain i had been told it wasn't scrollable Oct 14 12:39:19 battery, volume, clock, profile, connection, bluetooth, availability, location, usb connected, load applet, brightness applet Oct 14 12:39:37 is what I have right now Oct 14 12:39:38 ah the separate applet. Oct 14 12:39:51 brightness doesn't fit, but I can scroll to it Oct 14 12:40:12 discovered this by accident by trying to tap on the usb connected icon in order to switch from 'pc suite' back to 'charging only' Oct 14 12:40:16 apparently you can't do that Oct 14 12:40:19 had to unplug and replug Oct 14 12:40:25 isnt this the time we call back rm_you and say "ummm can you do a combined version again please" ;) Oct 14 12:40:30 it's clearly not a button ;-) Oct 14 12:40:48 mgedmin: i think the problem is that a usb device isn't allowed to change its profile Oct 14 12:40:56 once you've told the other side you do X and it's using X Oct 14 12:41:00 hmm Oct 14 12:41:01 you can't change your mind and do Y Oct 14 12:41:08 charging is a special case Oct 14 12:41:09 no way Oct 14 12:41:27 what about those silly "I'm a USB cdrom with windows drivers! no, now I'm a USB serial device with a HSPA modem" dongles? Oct 14 12:41:44 i think that's additive Oct 14 12:41:51 those are basically saying "i'm a usb hub" Oct 14 12:41:52 dunno how that's implemented at usb level (simulate unplug, then replug?) Oct 14 12:41:54 hm Oct 14 12:42:00 okay Oct 14 12:42:00 "oh, i got an insertion into one of my hub slots for X" Oct 14 12:42:07 "oh, i got an insertion into another slot for Y" Oct 14 12:42:27 now, it's probably possible for us to implement a hub somehow Oct 14 12:42:37 and then we could say "ooh look, i found a usb camera in a port" Oct 14 12:42:47 "ooh look, i found a usb touchpad in a port" Oct 14 12:42:57 but we definitely aren't doing that today Oct 14 12:43:18 if you look at those windows devices, it'll show you a tree topology Oct 14 12:43:24 with some sort of meta device Oct 14 12:43:33 sorry, i grew up w/ windows :) Oct 14 12:43:42 hi Oct 14 12:43:53 Is anyone else having problems getting to garage.maemo.org or is it just me? Oct 14 12:44:03 Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at garage.maemo.org. Oct 14 12:44:07 jonwil: not just you Oct 14 12:44:14 ok, thanks Oct 14 12:44:29 X-Fade knows about it so don't worry too much Oct 14 12:44:34 Mostly I was trying to download https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/106/354/maemopackages-20080725.ods Oct 14 12:45:06 how does opengl es work? can you cross compile any normal opengl app that doesn't use certain extensions? Oct 14 12:45:47 "cross compile" doesn't sound right :) Oct 14 12:45:50 but otherwise Oct 14 12:46:01 opengl es is afaiu a strict subset of opengl Oct 14 12:46:15 http://www.khronos.org/opengles/ Oct 14 12:46:23 > OpenGL ESOpenGL® ES is a royalty-free, cross-platform API for full-function 2D and 3D graphics on embedded systems - including consoles, phones, appliances and vehicles. It consists of well-defined subsets of desktop OpenGL, creating a flexible and powerful low-level interface between software and graphics acceleration. Oct 14 12:47:01 X-Fade: any chance you would find spare 5 minutes some time and implement 'garage is down for maintenance' temporary static page you could pull up when you're doing maintenance? Oct 14 12:48:04 it is up again. Oct 14 12:48:06 sweet Oct 14 12:48:20 X-Fade: thanks :) Oct 14 12:48:40 koala_man there is some libgl -> libgles converting tool Oct 14 12:48:50 but seems its not maintained anymore Oct 14 12:49:01 ah, it's a different lib and header files and such? Oct 14 12:49:06 koala_man search for kates ahlohas blog Oct 14 12:49:22 there she describes a little bit Oct 14 12:49:25 args ah Oct 14 12:49:31 should be in the wiki Oct 14 12:49:37 let me search it Oct 14 12:49:51 haha Oct 14 12:49:55 was in url-cache Oct 14 12:49:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES Oct 14 12:56:06 X-Fade: is it possible to have a note explaining the most recent maintenance window? Oct 14 12:56:30 timeless_mbp: -ENOTIME Oct 14 12:56:44 -EOK Oct 14 12:56:51 -EBROKEN? Oct 14 12:57:12 -EFUCKOFFNOW Oct 14 12:57:17 -ELOL Oct 14 12:57:34 -EFGH Oct 14 12:59:04 -ENOWAI Oct 14 12:59:21 blah Oct 14 12:59:26 -EWWW Oct 14 12:59:36 huh? Oct 14 12:59:45 hey all, i am trying to install the maemo SDK on debian, and i am getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/m7cc68f53 Oct 14 13:01:56 hmm, strange, mbarcode looks all GTK+-like, rather than masquerading as a native app Oct 14 13:02:13 lardman|home: run-standalone.sh ? Oct 14 13:02:21 on-device Oct 14 13:02:48 guysoft42: maemo-sdk is not the official sdk, it's some kind of experimental thing Oct 14 13:02:51 maybe it's broken? Oct 14 13:03:17 this is the sdk+, right? from http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/? Oct 14 13:03:31 I got it installed once; it kinda worked except that you couldn't use apt-get inside scratchbox2 Oct 14 13:03:43 maybe I need to do something different to the old program = HILDON_PROGRAM (hildon_program_get_instance ()); Oct 14 13:03:46 which made it pretty much useless for development Oct 14 13:03:53 no, just the basic one released last week Oct 14 13:03:57 mgedmin, i am using http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ Oct 14 13:04:20 mgedmin, yes, i had that problem too, and i need it. i want to install drivers Oct 14 13:04:24 well, make them Oct 14 13:05:00 SpeedEvil, um, ping Oct 14 13:05:01 ? Oct 14 13:05:16 Jaffa, btw you need to do hildon.Program.get_instance() not hildon.Program() in hermes Oct 14 13:05:21 mgedmin, isnt there a few commands i can run here to get the sdk? Oct 14 13:05:52 sh maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh, once you've downloaded it from the nokia forum as was said on the web page you mentioned Oct 14 13:08:51 mgedmin, thats maemo 5 right? Oct 14 13:09:04 yes Oct 14 13:12:31 any irc/freenode experts here? Oct 14 13:12:40 on some channels chanserv msgs you telling that the channel is logged, and where to find the logs Oct 14 13:12:57 I believe this is freenode policy: no logging without informing the users Oct 14 13:13:03 ? Oct 14 13:13:07 how can I (or somebody else) set this up for #maemo? Oct 14 13:13:24 guysoftI have no clue Oct 14 13:13:33 help chanserv Oct 14 13:13:36 ? Oct 14 13:13:39 err Oct 14 13:13:44 I mean message chanserv help Oct 14 13:14:20 I imagine any random irc user can't just tell chanserv to do stuff Oct 14 13:14:23 you need access rights etc. Oct 14 13:14:26 who has those for #maemo? Oct 14 13:14:44 me? Oct 14 13:16:33 fyi gtk_init() has to change to hildon_gtk_init() Oct 14 13:16:59 RST38h: Pong Oct 14 13:17:45 /msg chanserv help set entrymsg Oct 14 13:17:59 thanks, Myrtti! Oct 14 13:19:11 now the only remaining question is do we want this kind of entrymsg? Oct 14 13:19:30 if so, X-Fade could /msg chanserv set #maemo entrymsg This channel is logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Oct 14 13:20:02 * lcuk says yes Oct 14 13:20:49 Do we have some kind of nice IRC introduction wiki page somewhere? :) Oct 14 13:21:31 which might also give a short n00bs guide Oct 14 13:21:35 * frals says le cock speaks the truth Oct 14 13:21:46 frals: Makes a change ;P Oct 14 13:22:06 i am not used to speaking the truth, i speak the northern Oct 14 13:23:20 Jaffa: Pong Oct 14 13:23:55 jeremiah, happy birthday! Oct 14 13:24:02 lcuk: thanks! :) Oct 14 13:24:10 Almost over, thank god. Oct 14 13:24:39 jeremiah: Congrats, feeling old already? :) Oct 14 13:24:53 X-Fade: Thank you and yes, I do. :/ Oct 14 13:25:13 happy birthday jeremiah Oct 14 13:25:13 * Hydroxide waves in greeting at jeremiah after being suggested yesterday to say hi to him Oct 14 13:25:15 jeremiah: Yeah, hate birthdays. Oct 14 13:25:24 Yeah, me too. Never been a fan. Oct 14 13:25:27 * mgedmin throws a cake towards jeremiah Oct 14 13:25:31 Stskeeps: Thanks Stskeeps :) Oct 14 13:25:32 jeremiah, cant be that bad, more socks, maybe some slippers, a guide to unix you have already read and a headache from packaging the night before Oct 14 13:25:36 Mmmmmm, cake Oct 14 13:25:41 lcuk: heh Oct 14 13:25:52 Actually, I asked my wife to buy me a tatoo! Oct 14 13:26:02 (No midlife crisis there.) Oct 14 13:26:09 jeremiah: maemo.org logo? :) Oct 14 13:26:12 cool, for on you or on her? Oct 14 13:26:23 hehe Oct 14 13:26:25 Well, I actually have thoght about the debian swirl, but then thought against it. Oct 14 13:26:30 lcuk: For me. :) Oct 14 13:26:38 Happy Birthday Oct 14 13:26:45 lardman|home: Thanks! Oct 14 13:26:49 lardman|home: How goes the packaging? Oct 14 13:26:57 Did you see the tip from qwerty12 ? Oct 14 13:26:59 ive never seen the point of tatooing someones trademark on yourself ;o Oct 14 13:27:01 * Myrtti tosses a cake towards jeremiah Oct 14 13:27:04 jeremiah: yes I did, thanks Oct 14 13:27:11 jeremiah: will get back to that this evening Oct 14 13:27:12 lardman|home: Did it work? Oct 14 13:27:16 ah, cool Oct 14 13:27:29 Myrtti: Hi - thanks for the cake, but it has pink frosting! Oct 14 13:28:35 * fiferboy sighs and waits for the Qt 4.6 debs to be released Oct 14 13:28:56 * lcuk consoles fiferboy with a bit of jeremiah's pink frosted cake Oct 14 13:29:09 Cake for all my friends! Oct 14 13:29:11 * lardman|home wonders why he still has a funny looking app window Oct 14 13:29:12 Mmmm, pink frosting Oct 14 13:29:26 Happy Birthday, Jeremiah! Oct 14 13:29:34 Thanks fiferboy! Oct 14 13:30:12 lardman|home: What's it look like? Oct 14 13:30:44 lardman|home: I'm back :) Oct 14 13:30:59 hey qwerty12_N810 here? Oct 14 13:31:02 http://pastie.org/654320 well here's my horrible makefile Oct 14 13:35:16 fiferboy, ping Oct 14 13:35:24 VDVsx: pong Oct 14 13:35:28 Shapeshifter: I *think* it's customary to use install -m 644 foo /path/to/install/location instead of cp foo /path/to/install/location Oct 14 13:35:34 Myrtti: which list? Oct 14 13:35:58 fiferboy, installed personal IP applet, seems that the applet icon is missing :( Oct 14 13:36:16 Robot101: camlug mailing list Oct 14 13:36:22 VDVsx: Yes, that happens on the first install for some reason. I will look to fix it for the next version. Oct 14 13:36:32 Myrtti: ahh Oct 14 13:36:32 Robot101: or ubuntu-uk Oct 14 13:36:37 VDVsx: If you remove the widget and then add it to your desktop again it will show up :) Oct 14 13:36:42 hmm, I guess my app looks all gray and GTK+ like as it uses a notebook, would that make sense? Oct 14 13:37:19 Robot101: (not sure about the latter, though, but camlug has had job ads before) Oct 14 13:37:20 fiferboy, ok thanks :) Oct 14 13:37:35 lardman|home: Is there a hildon equivalent for that? Oct 14 13:37:35 NP Oct 14 13:37:46 Oh, fiferboy, if you want to be able to add your widget to multiple desktops: X-Multiple=true Oct 14 13:37:47 X-Fade: no, it's not recommended Oct 14 13:37:51 lardman|home: Some gtk widgets aren't supported and look like plain gtk. Oct 14 13:37:58 X-Fade: but it did look fine in the beta SDK Oct 14 13:38:04 yeah, ok Oct 14 13:38:08 qwerty12: Seriously? Awesome! Oct 14 13:38:17 Yep, tried it out with Personal IP Address last night Oct 14 13:38:27 qwerty12: It will be a major headache to keep track of what events should be on what instance, though... Oct 14 13:38:37 For countdown-home, anyway Oct 14 13:39:02 fiferboy: I have faith in you. Now go and do it. :p Oct 14 13:39:03 mgedmin: mhh, okay. Seems like the maemo_examples aren't such good examples :| Oct 14 13:39:20 qwerty12: :| Oct 14 13:39:27 Shapeshifter: nah, I think dh_fixperms fixes any permission issues you might get with cp Oct 14 13:39:43 assuming your debian/rules uses debhelper and calls dh_fixperms Oct 14 13:39:54 What is CAL in the context of MAEMO? Oct 14 13:40:03 and if you were to go with install instead of cp, then use install -d instead of mkdir -p Oct 14 13:40:19 but it probably doesn't matter Oct 14 13:40:22 forget I said anything Oct 14 13:40:37 Hmm, Qt 4.6 beta was just released, but no maemo packages Oct 14 13:40:37 cp works on n810 directly where i believe install doesnt Oct 14 13:40:59 i think its fixed on n900 Oct 14 13:41:07 but i remember z4chh having an issue with it Oct 14 13:41:10 is stuff like osso_initialize() used anymore? Oct 14 13:41:16 lardman|home: Of course Oct 14 13:41:30 jonwil: cal is a place for wifi calibration data and other persistent low level settings Oct 14 13:41:37 it locks my app up, that browser opening code Oct 14 13:41:43 on the plus side the dialog now closes Oct 14 13:42:10 lardman|home: Your changes in SVN? Oct 14 13:42:24 ok, so its the place where they put all the bits set at the factory as part of testing and which they need to stop users from directly messing with (screwing up the device, making it operate contrary to spectrum use laws etc) Oct 14 13:42:28 not yet, let me see if I can work this out then I'll push Oct 14 13:42:44 does CAL stand for anything? Oct 14 13:42:47 lardman|home: Push it, and I'll give you a replacement for that browser opening code Oct 14 13:43:15 Cellular Access Layer or something like that? Oct 14 13:43:50 ok, hang on a tick Oct 14 13:45:23 qwerty12: pushed Oct 14 13:45:40 OK, doing a checkout Oct 14 13:45:52 cool, heading back to work, bbiab Oct 14 13:46:03 is t.m.o down? I can't get there or ITT Oct 14 13:46:20 qwerty12: Did Stskeeps talk to you about doing osv-community? Oct 14 13:46:22 Looks like it. I was just about to ask the same question :) Oct 14 13:46:32 X-Fade: Nope Oct 14 13:46:38 yeah, t.m.o is down Oct 14 13:47:10 qwerty12: Could you try to see if you can make one for diablo based on the latest SSU? Oct 14 13:47:25 http://doc.cern.ch//archive/electronic/cern/others/PHO/photo-bul///bul-pho-2009-090_06.jpg offtopic, but hey, seems like cern and the LHC are using linux ;) Oct 14 13:47:43 X-Fade: Sure, but I've got some Fremantle stuff I wish to finish off first Oct 14 13:47:46 sure they do Oct 14 13:47:53 qwerty12: Sure, no hurry. Oct 14 13:48:14 qwerty12: I still need to setup repositories and a lot of other things ;) Oct 14 13:48:27 DocScrutinizer: but for frontends as well. often, researchers will have windows workstations even though the servers run linux. Oct 14 13:48:50 s/linux/unix-bases systems/ Oct 14 13:48:50 Shapeshifter meant: DocScrutinizer: but for frontends as well. often, researchers will have windows workstations even though the servers run unix-bases systems. Oct 14 13:49:10 X-Fade: Will this get done after IRC? (I'm still envious) :p Oct 14 13:49:44 qwerty12: ? Oct 14 13:50:10 Ah, sorry, I'm still envious of your job involving being on IRC all day Oct 14 13:50:13 hm Oct 14 13:50:13 wtf Oct 14 13:50:32 why does ssh seem to be more latent tethered than on the phone Oct 14 13:50:39 qwerty12: hehe, you don't know what hard work is being done behind the scenes ;) Oct 14 13:51:33 DocScrutinizer: I spot at least two windows machines on this cern photo http://mediaarchive.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Video/Public/Movies/2009/CERN-MOVIE-2009-096/CERN-MOVIE-2009-096-posterframe-640x360-at-50-percent.jpg ;) Oct 14 13:52:12 X-Fade: Alt + 9 in irssi? :p Oct 14 13:52:45 qwerty12: Multiple monitors is key ;) Oct 14 13:52:57 Hehe Oct 14 13:53:10 It seems like its been a while since itt crashed, is this new user influx? Oct 14 13:53:27 jeremiah: It was about extras-devel breakage raised by zerojay Oct 14 13:53:36 Shapeshifter: Cern had large improvements from KSM Oct 14 13:53:44 proxytunnel 1.9.0-0mg1 builds OK Oct 14 13:54:06 Jaffa: Ah, okay Oct 14 13:54:49 Mek: Just for the record, if you want to compile Qt 4.6 TP for x86 in scratchbox, you have to use -opengl desktop Oct 14 13:55:16 of course, because of the "No Hash entry in Release file" error in extras-devel, I cannot test if it works Oct 14 13:55:16 and itt's back Oct 14 13:59:59 pls fix extras-devel pls! Oct 14 14:00:54 mgedmin: takes a while, reindexing Oct 14 14:01:36 X-Fade: is the repository unusable during the reindexing? or are updates supposed to be atomic? Oct 14 14:02:03 mgedmin: They should be atomic. Oct 14 14:03:12 do you know what causes these broken Release files? Oct 14 14:03:22 mgedmin: Yes, race condition Oct 14 14:03:48 mgedmin: unsigned version gets synced to the caching network. Oct 14 14:03:53 re Oct 14 14:04:02 hm Oct 14 14:04:33 so the tool produces a Release file and signs it in place, instead of signing it somehwere else and moving it to the final destination? Oct 14 14:04:58 mgedmin: no, Release file gets created and other signs and syncs Oct 14 14:05:24 qwerty: here? Oct 14 14:05:27 ah, so the race is between two running copies of the create-sign-and-sync script? Oct 14 14:05:33 RST38h: Hiya Oct 14 14:05:38 you end up create-sign-create-sync-sign-sync? Oct 14 14:06:00 mgedmin: Yeah, looks like it. Due to insane load on the box, one doesn't finish before the other. Oct 14 14:06:14 mgedmin: Will implement pid check. Oct 14 14:06:25 qwerty: goood...care to run Transmission under strace? Oct 14 14:06:42 has anyone noticed if the contact merge functionality is in the supplied api, or you have to write your own? Oct 14 14:07:00 thanks for the explanation, X-Fade Oct 14 14:07:10 mgedmin: But try now, it should have synced. Oct 14 14:07:14 woohoo, extras-devel is fixed now Oct 14 14:07:38 good morning Oct 14 14:07:59 RST38h: I can do, but it is extremely slow at starting up under strace. Fuck, the fan on my computer starts whirring up and Transmission isn't even being ran on it (it's just displaying the log via SSH) Oct 14 14:08:17 qwerty: direct to file Oct 14 14:08:23 yep, that ought to be faster Oct 14 14:08:33 strace -o trace.log ... Oct 14 14:08:36 qwerty: Or, better, run it separately and then attach strace to the running process Oct 14 14:09:00 qwerty: basically, it can't do this crap to the tablet by just eating 100% cpu Oct 14 14:09:04 * mgedmin had to disable wlan power savings if he wanted to ssh into his old n810 Oct 14 14:09:17 Thanks Oct 14 14:09:21 * mgedmin went out to lunch and found his n810 with an empty battery when he came back Oct 14 14:09:22 qwerty: It has to be some system call, invoked with insane speed Oct 14 14:10:03 qwerty: Once we find what it is, we can optimize Oct 14 14:12:47 strace -c could be useful Oct 14 14:13:02 instead of looking at a huge log look at the counts Oct 14 14:17:48 RST38h: Whee, there's a fucker of a log: http://qwerty12.qole.org/transmission.log Oct 14 14:18:45 heh Oct 14 14:19:01 someone tweeting that the N900 should support IAX at the same time as me blogging that it could be added to Telepathy Oct 14 14:19:09 if I had like twitter and stuff I could get involved Oct 14 14:19:09 hrm Oct 14 14:19:15 :) Oct 14 14:19:41 zaheerm: Do you like your maemo activities to be visible on the planet? Oct 14 14:19:52 X-Fade, sure Oct 14 14:20:05 zaheerm: Do you have a maemo specific feed for me then? Oct 14 14:20:15 X-Fade, ok give me a sec Oct 14 14:20:45 <|R> Robot101 : that'd be awesome! Oct 14 14:20:59 <|R> Asterisk-like on the device directly :) Oct 14 14:21:26 yeah, well, it can. thats the point of telepathy. its not exactly a priority for us though, but I've been wondering about having pledgebanks or donations or something to let people fund us doing this kinda work Oct 14 14:22:19 <|R> Not having to go through my home gw to get SIP from remote locations would be a lot more efficient... I wonder how many people use such setups though Oct 14 14:22:28 <|R> hopefully a lot :) Oct 14 14:24:44 X-Fade, http://zaheer.merali.org/articles/category/maemo/feed Oct 14 14:25:45 zaheerm: Ok, added. Oct 14 14:26:06 X-Fade, thx Oct 14 14:26:23 zaheerm: Now you have to blog more cool things ;) Oct 14 14:26:48 qwerty: All righty, was it done when transmission was running and eating CPU cycles? Oct 14 14:28:00 RST38h: Yes, I promise you that :) Oct 14 14:28:22 X-Fade, will do Oct 14 14:28:23 qwerty: Look at the bottom of the epic thing Oct 14 14:28:29 Here is what I see: Oct 14 14:28:30 gettimeofday({1255529630, 149659}, NULL) = 0 Oct 14 14:28:31 clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {96798, 891602568}) = 0 Oct 14 14:28:31 poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=17, events=POLLIN}, {fd=20, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN}, {fd=25, events=POLLIN}], 7, 0) = 0 (Timeout) Oct 14 14:28:31 ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 Oct 14 14:28:50 qwerty: So it is doing lots of polling and gettimeofday() calls Oct 14 14:29:00 Clock is very expensive Oct 14 14:29:05 lardman, fyi, I needed to link against gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 for XOverlay to work Oct 14 14:29:14 absolutely, this is what fucked up Flash plugin on Diablo Oct 14 14:29:15 not only gstreamer-0.10. this was the problem. Oct 14 14:29:36 I guess polling isn't cheap either Oct 14 14:29:48 Wonder if you preload something to make it a null operation ;) Oct 14 14:29:58 qwerty: Is there browseable source of Transmission somewhere online? Oct 14 14:29:58 *can Oct 14 14:30:12 X-Fade: He has got the complete source code so it is easier to simply fix it Oct 14 14:30:16 Maybe it is just the progress indicator ;) Oct 14 14:30:37 X-Fade: As to gettimeofday() in Flash, I have been told what it was at the summit Oct 14 14:30:44 Supposed to be fixed now Oct 14 14:30:45 RST38h: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/browser/trunk Oct 14 14:30:52 Shapeshifter: indeed, sorry I didn't get you that Makefile in time Oct 14 14:30:53 qwerty: Thanks! Oct 14 14:30:59 RST38h: No, thank you :) Oct 14 14:31:11 lardman: no worries! Oct 14 14:31:54 my tablet screen is not about to fall apart -.- Oct 14 14:32:46 Meiz_n810: I do hope you have x11vnc and SSH installed? :) Oct 14 14:33:23 ssh is there :) Oct 14 14:34:29 X-Fade, don't worry http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4010839955/ is the first image of a few for my next blog Oct 14 14:34:33 :) Oct 14 14:34:36 Anyone here got Jamie Bennett's phone no? Could they PM it to me so I can work out what I'm supposed to be doing with the Summit video footage Oct 14 14:35:49 qwerty: Check out libtransmission/utils.h Oct 14 14:36:09 qwerty: gettimeofday() call is there. Remove it, make it always return constant time Oct 14 14:36:20 qwerty: recompile, run, see what changes Oct 14 14:36:31 * mgedmin expects "everything breaks" Oct 14 14:36:41 * RST38h does not expect too much damage Oct 14 14:36:47 doesn't that gettimeofday() come from the glib main loop or something? Oct 14 14:37:08 No Oct 14 14:37:11 oh Oct 14 14:37:24 Just disable it and always return 0 or something Oct 14 14:37:37 If it still eats CPU time, then it is the poll() Oct 14 14:38:40 Will do in a minute, thanks Oct 14 14:39:20 http://picasaweb.google.fi/meizirkki/NokiaN810#5392465183283167442 *digh* Oct 14 14:39:23 sigh loil Oct 14 14:39:27 -i Oct 14 14:39:45 * qwerty12 found X Oct 14 14:40:01 the touchlayer still works Oct 14 14:40:30 Meirzirkki: Oh =( Oct 14 14:41:37 I have to say, that my n810 is really holding on :) Oct 14 14:41:55 Meizirkki: nice wallpaper :) Oct 14 14:42:10 haha Oct 14 14:42:35 Touch Book arrived to the country this morning, i'll soon get another device to break Oct 14 14:42:35 woo Oct 14 14:42:53 and put mer on :P Oct 14 14:43:01 sure :) Oct 14 14:43:04 put mer on == break? =) Oct 14 14:43:09 RST38h: improve, in this case, it seems Oct 14 14:43:16 Meizirkki: lol, I don't think that will survive a fall :p Oct 14 14:43:24 Then again, looking at its batteries... Oct 14 14:43:38 "Broken through improvement" <== there is a single German word for that Oct 14 14:44:23 What is Verschlimmbesserung? Oct 14 14:44:52 * qwerty12 will stick to "Broken through improvement" Oct 14 14:47:12 Verschlimmbesserung sounds more threatening Oct 14 14:47:32 lardman, i sent jamie a message on twitter for you. Oct 14 14:47:55 * Stskeeps wonders wtf his n900 stylus is Oct 14 14:48:10 has it tried talking to you already? Oct 14 14:49:33 ah, on the floor Oct 14 14:51:07 yess! Txtr came out with their Ebook reader. Including quite some hardware documentation and linux-howtos already: https://developer.txtr.org/ Oct 14 14:51:31 but does it run maemo Oct 14 14:51:48 Stskeeps: port it! :) Oct 14 14:51:57 although it probably is not that much fun on an e-ink display... Oct 14 14:52:03 hmm Oct 14 14:52:05 imx31 Oct 14 14:52:08 nomis: There is a .ua company that has been doing it for months now Oct 14 14:52:25 RST38h: iliad? That is quite a bit more expensive though. Oct 14 14:52:25 They even give out prizes for the best ereader app Oct 14 14:52:29 no Oct 14 14:52:32 a moment Oct 14 14:52:45 eh, what is .ua? Do you mean .uk? Oct 14 14:52:50 hmm Oct 14 14:52:52 Ukraine Oct 14 14:52:53 armv6vfp Oct 14 14:53:20 128mbram.. Oct 14 14:53:47 yes, it could run mer Oct 14 14:53:53 Stskeeps-attracting ability, ... Oct 14 14:53:54 who's up for greyscale maemo? Oct 14 14:54:14 it even boots from the SD-card, including boot loader apparently. Oct 14 14:54:19 right, i'm sold Oct 14 14:54:25 i seem to be getting while installing maemo sdk: root@golem3:/home/guy# chroot /opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1 mount -t proc proc /proc mount: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Oct 14 14:56:07 nomis: but where can i buy it? :P Oct 14 14:56:44 Stskeeps: I take cash. No refunds Oct 14 14:56:50 Stskeeps: starting in December apparently. Oct 14 14:57:03 ooh. xmas gift for myself. Oct 14 14:57:05 * nomis can't wait. Oct 14 14:58:04 no audio though apparently. Oct 14 14:58:26 Meizirkki: you still have your Xephyr setup with different resolutions? Oct 14 14:58:46 Stskeeps, not right now Oct 14 14:58:52 ok Oct 14 14:59:06 nomis: The name is PocketBook Oct 14 14:59:07 Meizirkki: if you're bored sometime, test how 8bit / greyscale mer looks like Oct 14 14:59:27 okay Oct 14 14:59:27 nomis: Searching for dev site Oct 14 14:59:51 https://developer.txtr.org/index.php?title=Architecture_Documentation is worth a read Oct 14 15:00:03 nomis,Stskeeps: http://pocketbook.com.ua/ Oct 14 15:00:15 Check the open source option at the far right Oct 14 15:00:45 Competition results (in English) here: http://pocketbook-free.sourceforge.net/en/index.shtml Oct 14 15:01:44 RST38h: interesting. Oct 14 15:02:24 In fact, it looks like there are already TWO competing .UA ebook companies - lBook and PocketBook. Both basically sell Chinese OEM hardware with their own firmware Oct 14 15:04:38 Next Nintendo Handheld To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset Oct 14 15:07:53 RST38h: that's rumor :) Oct 14 15:08:10 GeneralAntilles: around? Oct 14 15:08:46 Stskeeps, :) @ grey Oct 14 15:11:36 lardman: Still need JamieBennett's mobile number? Oct 14 15:11:45 lardman: I'll send you his contact card from my N900 Oct 14 15:18:19 lardman: You should have SMS Oct 14 15:23:49 how to set avatar for my account on maemo.org? Oct 14 15:24:05 plastun: http://maemo.org/profile/publish/ Oct 14 15:24:34 and how can I rich this link over UI? Oct 14 15:24:57 plastun: through edit Oct 14 15:24:57 rich? ITYM reach Oct 14 15:25:17 plastun: is the page you see after you hit save on edit. Oct 14 15:26:05 plastun: But also in the toolbar when you are on your profile page. Page -> publish account details Oct 14 15:28:04 X-Fade, yes, it works. Thanks. Oct 14 15:32:37 errm... Bluetooth mice are not supported in Fremantle, right? Oct 14 15:32:58 if you enable a cursor, maybe Oct 14 15:35:15 heh. but not officially supported, right? Oct 14 15:35:19 Does anyone know when will the final versions of ESBox and the maemo SDK VM image will be released? Oct 14 15:37:46 andre__, works in the browser with the cursor enabled Oct 14 15:39:01 humm, can't play vimeo videos with the last fw, can anyone confirm this ? Oct 14 15:39:07 okay. how to enable the cursor?! Oct 14 15:39:34 andre__, swipe gesture Oct 14 15:39:37 andre__: File a bug and VDVsx will tell you there Oct 14 15:40:03 :-D Oct 14 15:41:00 i'm asking because i wonder what to respond to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5425 Oct 14 15:41:10 but I'm not sure if the mouse works fine, I only saw it working at the summit, didn't test it yet Oct 14 15:41:41 I'm writing something involving gstreamer and I think my pipeline and all that is okay, but when I run it, I receive this error: OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 405: oil_test_check_impl(): function mas10_u8_mmx_2 in class mas10_u8_l15 failed check (6933 > 0) || (outside=0) Any clues? Oct 14 15:43:44 andre__, gonna talk with Tomasz at #mer Oct 14 15:44:15 oh cool. no average customer but a developer it seems :-P Oct 14 15:44:46 zerojay: thanks for the tweet, he send me a text Oct 14 15:45:28 s/send/sent Oct 14 15:45:53 andre__: power user, not developer :P Oct 14 15:46:06 can someone try to play a vimeo video in the n900 with fw-41 ? Oct 14 15:46:17 Stskeeps, he's a good speaker too ;) Oct 14 15:46:18 38 votes on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 in just one day?! whouah. community certainly rocks Oct 14 15:46:22 VDVsx: Sure. What's their selection of porn like? Oct 14 15:46:46 managed to get the sdk installed on an N900, compiled and ran some gtk tests using gcc Oct 14 15:46:47 qwerty12, red tube is better ;) Oct 14 15:46:50 Shapeshifter: I usually give up when I run into liboil problems. Oct 14 15:46:58 You could ask ds about it, though. Oct 14 15:47:17 I thought someone said the app manager forgetting its place was fixed in the current release....? Oct 14 15:47:21 VDVsx: Ah. Well in that case, I'm suddenly not available for testing it Oct 14 15:47:30 lardman, no, the one after. see the bug report about it Oct 14 15:47:38 andre__: ah ok Oct 14 15:47:47 (or if my comment on that ticket is unclear hit me hard) Oct 14 15:48:19 andre__: no, I seem to remember that now Oct 14 15:48:31 VDVsx: The video on its front page "plays" but I cannot see anything Oct 14 15:49:26 qwerty12, only sound ? Oct 14 15:49:32 what was the screenshot shortcut? Oct 14 15:49:37 Ctrl-Shift-P Oct 14 15:49:45 VDVsx: Dunno, it's in mute. Wait a sec Oct 14 15:50:02 But I certainly cannot see any video Oct 14 15:50:07 qwerty12: I have 7 instances of personal-ip-address running :) Oct 14 15:50:08 qwerty12, only sound here, the image is static Oct 14 15:50:33 VDVsx: I get only sound, and choppy sound at that Oct 14 15:50:37 fiferboy: Nice :) Oct 14 15:50:53 oh hell, seems that I've to give some more work to andre__ ;) Oct 14 15:51:08 I'll have to test if they all have an ID or something I can reference them by, otherwise they will always show the same content Oct 14 15:54:54 hmm, anyone know how to get rid of this? http://share.ovi.com/media/lardman.mymedia/lardman.10001 Oct 14 15:55:01 assuming you guys can see that Oct 14 15:55:48 derf: :( Oct 14 15:56:23 http://pastie.org/654666 here's the relevant code if someone with gstreamer and gtk expertise wants to have a look. Oct 14 15:59:24 Shapeshifter: what's the problem?> Oct 14 15:59:42 ah, I see Oct 14 15:59:58 lardman: I want to embed a gstreamer video in gtk but I receive an odd liboid error which I can't find anything about on google. Oct 14 16:00:17 no, never seen that myself Oct 14 16:01:52 Shapeshifter, i've seen the liboil warning but it shouldn't affect you too much Oct 14 16:02:05 Shapeshifter, this is on the sdk or on the device? Oct 14 16:02:09 you know gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id() shouldn't be called there? Oct 14 16:02:43 yah you should set the x window id when you get it in a synv bus message handler Oct 14 16:02:58 so I was told anyway. It should be called from a bus callback as the pipeline starts up Oct 14 16:03:07 ^ Oct 14 16:03:10 has to be a sync bus callback Oct 14 16:03:12 zaheerm: in the SDK. I just ran the gstreamer pipeline in the SDK and noticed the same error popping up but it really doesn't affect it, so it's still working. Definetely a problem in my code. Oct 14 16:03:17 ah. Oct 14 16:03:20 otherwise you get a gtk window Oct 14 16:03:24 temporarily Oct 14 16:03:37 mhhh Oct 14 16:03:47 off home Oct 14 16:05:42 yah liboil error i saw in sdk not on device Oct 14 16:05:46 however it is harmless Oct 14 16:07:23 zaheerm: thanks. Oct 14 16:07:40 gaah, chromium makes browsing maemo.org a pain Oct 14 16:08:07 press alt+number to switch tabs, chromium does that *and* trigger a link Oct 14 16:08:09 maemo uses those Oct 14 16:08:17 whyyy? Oct 14 16:12:09 mgedmin: probably a better question is why Chromium does such a thing Oct 14 16:12:16 and why one would use such a browser Oct 14 16:12:27 because firefox got so slow I can't stand it any more Oct 14 16:12:43 click link in irc/terminal, count to 3, get a new tab/window Oct 14 16:12:54 chromium: click link in irc/terminal, get a new tab/window Oct 14 16:13:01 in most other respects chromium sucks Oct 14 16:13:19 (e.g. where's my "subscribe to the rss feed of this website" icon?) Oct 14 16:14:30 mgedmin: I didn't suggest Firefox. Learn to use a sane browser. Oct 14 16:14:31 like Konqueror or Arora Oct 14 16:17:07 wazd, ping? Oct 14 16:17:44 Jaffa, I lost, like, 300 points somewhere along the line. Oct 14 16:22:32 Hooray, spec defeats sanity again! http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5262 Oct 14 16:23:37 re Oct 14 16:24:04 who is Quim Gil? Oct 14 16:24:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 is another interesting spec choice Oct 14 16:24:48 he's nokia's open source advocate and part of maemo devices. Oct 14 16:25:22 Somebody with Maemo 5, a UPnP server and an unmodified string set want to do a quick test for me? Oct 14 16:25:55 GeneralAntilles: heya Oct 14 16:25:55 i can when i get home. Oct 14 16:25:55 lardman, then spec AGAIN?! Oct 14 16:25:58 s/then/the/ Oct 14 16:26:00 GeneralAntilles meant: lardman, the spec AGAIN?! Oct 14 16:26:14 thp, your bug #5300 got nice traction, well done =) Oct 14 16:26:35 ,general btw, it's finally in extras-testing. vote it up. Oct 14 16:26:47 fucking nick complete. Oct 14 16:26:57 is there a way to get a bluetooth keyboard such as nokia's SU-8W working? Oct 14 16:27:20 without that coding on the device is sub-optimal Oct 14 16:27:35 The Nokians have all been holed away working on Fremantle for too long. Oct 14 16:27:49 general, test Oct 14 16:27:53 wtf. Oct 14 16:28:51 GeneralAntilles: meh. that's rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things Oct 14 16:29:05 UPnP is Univeral Plug-n-Pwn? ;) Oct 14 16:29:23 solarion, have you read the manual? :) Oct 14 16:29:27   jjr my palm keyboard worked fin Oct 14 16:30:07  fricking network-induced lag Oct 14 16:30:07 Ge  aa Oct 14 16:30:47 * qwerty12 is witnessing the creation of a new language Oct 14 16:31:12 mikhas: :) Oct 14 16:32:21 Now let's get some votes on this: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5431 Oct 14 16:34:39 sold! Oct 14 16:35:35 qwerty12: the language of a sucky network link? Oct 14 16:35:51 it's got my vote. Oct 14 16:35:56 5431 got my vote, too :) Oct 14 16:36:02 solarion: Hmm, you'll need to give it a catchier name if you want it to take off Oct 14 16:36:04 what? Oct 14 16:36:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5262 Oct 14 16:36:31 we have a device with broken bluetooth and someone is harping about obscure English stylistic points? Oct 14 16:36:39 mgedmin, different teams. Oct 14 16:36:40 qwerty12: sucklang? Oct 14 16:36:44 mgedmin, and it's hardly obscure. Oct 14 16:36:49 mgedmin, read the manual, please. Oct 14 16:37:01 solarion: I'm officially sold Oct 14 16:37:23 what, me read the manual? whatever for? Oct 14 16:37:42 mgedmin, because then you'll realize exactly how bad Nokia's abuse of English really is. Oct 14 16:38:09 and, seriously, the people who working on the manual wont take time and effort away from people working on Bluetooth. Oct 14 16:38:14 the english in my manual looked like french Oct 14 16:38:31 IIRC, the English style guides I've read recomment "for example" instead of "e.g." Oct 14 16:38:38 but anyway, I don't care Oct 14 16:39:00 nokia style guides say that latin abbreviations shall not be used Oct 14 16:39:00 * mgedmin looks at what he just wrote and quivers in terror Oct 14 16:39:04 GeneralAntilles: I've not read the n900 manual; I don't have one. Oct 14 16:39:04 :( Oct 14 16:39:05 oh dear, I misspelt "recommend" Oct 14 16:39:08 the shame :( Oct 14 16:39:23 solarion, there's a PDF floating around somewhere. Oct 14 16:39:35 planet.maemo.org had a link Oct 14 16:39:41 andre__, at the very least they can try for grammatical correctness when not using Latin abbreviations. Oct 14 16:40:37 e Oct 14 16:41:14 has anyone been able to connect to msn on their n900s in the last day or two? Oct 14 16:41:19 for that the English language would first have to define a proper grammar *runs* Oct 14 16:41:39 andre__, anyway, whatever, if they don't care then I don't care. Oct 14 16:42:55 so, does anybody want to help me set up Bluetooth PAN between my laptop and my N900? Oct 14 16:43:36 my laptop already has a network interface called 'pan0' from my last (unsuccessful) attempt Oct 14 16:44:12 mgedmin: isn't bug 5431 about HildonTouchSelector (as opposed to the treeview in a pannable area like on app manager)? Oct 14 16:45:04 ... oops Oct 14 16:45:12 (but of course, all these scollable lists should have search-as-you-type( Oct 14 16:45:28 somebody please stop me from saying anything out loud on the internet for the rest of the evening Oct 14 16:45:53 mgedmin: maybe you ARE the internet Oct 14 16:45:59 so you have no other choice... Oct 14 16:46:02 arf! arf! Oct 14 16:46:18 hi Oct 14 16:46:24 hi Oct 14 16:46:26 mgedmin: i highly recommend blueman for that stuff, it's really easy to use Oct 14 16:46:38 have a problem Oct 14 16:46:53 with shared folder over XP Oct 14 16:47:27 some times ay see the folder and some times it not shol ani share networck Oct 14 16:47:41 in shiped file menager Oct 14 16:48:01 ani suggestons wat kan bi the problem Oct 14 16:50:54 hello! I'd like to install the newest (preview release) version of Flipclock on my N810. This cannot be completed because I miss file "libsdl-gfx.1.2-4. How do I get this file, and where should I put in? Oct 14 16:52:20 sudo gainroot apt-get install libsdl-gfx.1.2-4 Oct 14 16:54:33 that made no sense at all Oct 14 16:54:34 qwerty12: right, got urls opening, but rest of gui isn't interested once the fn returns. Any ideas appreciated of course. Oct 14 16:54:56 blah Oct 14 16:55:39 vladovg: thank you I will try! Oct 14 16:55:45 binary here for anyone else who fancies trying: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/fremantle/ Oct 14 16:56:12 Windows SMB can be like that - sometimes it can take a long time (hours) or reboots to pick up when windows shares are added. I'm a Maemo noob, but if you have a shell and smbclient on your NIT and/or use 'net' in a windows cmd shell and see if you can list the resources on the remote device. Oct 14 16:58:08 proberts_: or you can net send a message to someone :) Oct 14 16:59:58 lardman: How would that help? Oct 14 17:00:43 vladovg: "couldn't find package ..." Any ideas? Oct 14 17:05:22 SamPieter: the package is called libsdl-gfx1.2-4 Oct 14 17:05:25 no . between x and 1 Oct 14 17:05:44 ah Oct 14 17:06:15 it's available in extras-devel Oct 14 17:06:27 that worked mgedmin, thanks Oct 14 17:06:29 and in extras Oct 14 17:06:48 flipclock ought to depend on it, if it needs it, no? Oct 14 17:06:51 why isn't it installed automatically? Oct 14 17:07:07 *why the heck didn't avahi-daemon start up on boot* Oct 14 17:07:35 cos of it not being event.d'ed? Oct 14 17:07:42 better Oct 14 17:07:43 /etc/rc2.d/S94avahi-daemon Oct 14 17:07:54 it's S94 because when it was S14 it also failed to start Oct 14 17:08:31 they don't use runlevels anymore Oct 14 17:13:06 watchout, openmoko has a new device with multitouch ! Oct 14 17:13:12 http://www.thewikireader.com/ Oct 14 17:13:14 lol Oct 14 17:16:54 mgedmin: this is an early preview release of Flipclock. Therefor dependencies have to be taken care of manually Oct 14 17:17:07 ah, so it's not in a repository Oct 14 17:17:38 Stskeeps: oh? tell me more! this is a n810 Oct 14 17:17:45 ah Oct 14 17:17:46 nm Oct 14 17:18:01 anyone with a beagle around who is interested in getting maemo5 for beagle port going again? Oct 14 17:18:05 I probably have same problem on the n900 if that makes you feel better Oct 14 17:20:40 mgedmin --no, not (yet?) It's version 0.9-preview1 Oct 14 17:22:31 proberts_: no it wouldn't help, my apologies Oct 14 17:23:38 lardman: :( Thought I was going to learn a new windows trick :P Oct 14 17:25:12 qwerty: So, what happened when you removed gettimeofday()? Oct 14 17:26:29 RST38h: It still gets called from somewhere. I removed it from utils and the third party libraries it uses to no avail. Either way, it still locks up Oct 14 17:27:02 proberts_: nah, but it's a nice trick to play on Windows users ;) Oct 14 17:27:33 if it's not on google, it doesn't exist Oct 14 17:28:02 whoops Oct 14 17:28:05 lardman: Ohhh..... I did learn a new windows trick :) Oct 14 17:28:43 ah, Windows. Where would we be without you? Oct 14 17:28:51 qwerty12: aaargh, that bloody dialog is still screwing things up Oct 14 17:28:53 in heaven Oct 14 17:28:54 I think we'd have flying cars getting 100mpg. :) Oct 14 17:29:34 I get 68mpg, close enough Oct 14 17:29:42 Ronaldo38741: hybrid? Oct 14 17:29:47 I get exactly half that Oct 14 17:30:06 Currently a BMW 120d Oct 14 17:30:07 Nope Oct 14 17:30:08 I get less than half that Oct 14 17:30:10 lardman: After digging up my N800, switching through targets 1000 times, changing the libosso code, making a qrcode, finally getting it to scan the code; I saw Oct 14 17:30:27 A lot of new European cars are getting 55+ Oct 14 17:30:37 I need to get a postdoc in Germany Oct 14 17:30:41 qwerty12: have gone for plain dbus code now, checked it in Oct 14 17:30:43 or professorship. That might be nice. Oct 14 17:31:01 a lot of european car get kpl Oct 14 17:31:08 qwerty12: for QR just do a google image search, they are all advertising website urls ;) Oct 14 17:31:20 http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00399/keeley280_399469a.jpg Oct 14 17:31:57 * qwerty12 should've made "thesun" connection Oct 14 17:32:09 nice to see the N900 camera works far better with this release Oct 14 17:32:10 Corsac, I was talking mpg Oct 14 17:32:29 I know :) Oct 14 17:32:50 Is that the ring girl for Robot Wars? Oct 14 17:33:08 Keeley Hazell I believe Oct 14 17:33:39 http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=qr+code&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=B9TVSurcE4HSjAfE38H9CQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CDIQsAQwBA Oct 14 17:33:45 she was on the first page, promise! Oct 14 17:34:18 so any GTK+ dialog/threading experts lurking here to diagnose my UI halt after trying to use a dialog? Oct 14 17:34:59 lardman: I'm not an expert, but I've done it and it worked. Oct 14 17:35:10 lardman: code? Oct 14 17:35:17 lardman: I also have some time today. Oct 14 17:35:20 hang on, will get url Oct 14 17:35:52 qwerty12: can you build for a diablo target? Oct 14 17:36:03 I have to GTFO my computer now Oct 14 17:36:16 ~gtfo Oct 14 17:36:18 Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. Oct 14 17:36:31 get the ... off Oct 14 17:36:32 That's all it needed? Oct 14 17:36:33 I see Oct 14 17:37:05 code is here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode Oct 14 17:37:14 problem is at the bottom of web.c Oct 14 17:37:33 if you show the dialog, after it's closed the rest of the ui becomes unresponsive (but it does return) Oct 14 17:37:52 guy@golem3:~/mydocuments/devel/maemo$ sb2 apt-get install kernel-source-diablo SB2: apt-get wrapper: Operation denied in this mode (devel) .. why is it giving me that?? Oct 14 17:37:54 if you don't show the dialog, it happily opens the browser and off it goes Oct 14 17:39:17 if you have an N900, code here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ Oct 14 17:39:24 need to install the libdmtx0 deb Oct 14 17:39:39 if not, you still need libdmtx0 from here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/diablo/ Oct 14 17:39:45 but that binary is out of date Oct 14 17:40:24 typo, N900 code here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/fremantle/ Oct 14 17:40:37 The keys are right next to each other. Oct 14 17:42:38 Should you really be trying to open a dialog from the gst callback? Oct 14 17:42:55 that I don't know Oct 14 17:43:02 lardman: Try not setting GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT if you are explicitly destroying the dialog yourself Oct 14 17:43:09 I suspect that is your problem. Oct 14 17:43:26 fiferboy: doesn't seem to matter, wasn't sure from the examples I've seen, they all have it set Oct 14 17:43:30 derf: hmm, ok Oct 14 17:43:45 I've had weird things happen with that flag... Oct 14 17:44:03 derf: that callback should be in the glib main loop, or so I thought Oct 14 17:45:00 ok, I'll try setting a timer callback to run the processing code and see what happens Oct 14 17:45:03 I am by no means a gst expert. Oct 14 17:45:11 is anyone? ;) Oct 14 17:45:43 I know a few. Oct 14 17:45:45 what's the gst issue? Oct 14 17:45:47 It hasn't rubbed off, though. Oct 14 17:46:24 zaheerm: can I alter GTK+ ui components (like run a dialog) from a bus callback? Oct 14 17:46:39 lardman, if it is a normal bus callback, yes Oct 14 17:46:49 The documentation does say that gst_bus_add_watch() means it adds a GSource to the glib main loop. Oct 14 17:46:50 lardman, but.... Oct 14 17:47:08 gst_bus_add_watch (bus, (GstBusFunc) bus_callback, NULL); Oct 14 17:47:12 that sort? Oct 14 17:47:20 yes Oct 14 17:47:22 you should be fine Oct 14 17:47:26 hmm Oct 14 17:47:28 but Oct 14 17:47:30 lardman: Where do you think I got function name to look up in the documentation? Oct 14 17:47:31 :) Oct 14 17:47:34 what error do you get? Oct 14 17:48:00 lardman, might you know where i can get the diablo kernel source? Oct 14 17:48:06 derf: that should be ok then...? Oct 14 17:48:16 guysoft42: from the repo Oct 14 17:48:34 zaheerm: I try to display a dialog, but the rest of the UI freezes after I close it Oct 14 17:48:55 lardman: Well, that means that non-blocking calls to modify GUI elements should be okay. Oct 14 17:49:12 guysoft42: "apt-cache search kernel" and choose the one with "source" near it Oct 14 17:49:13 lardman, the bus callback should be happening in the main thread Oct 14 17:49:23 I'm less convinced that automatically implies running a dialog with its recursive main loop invocation will work. Oct 14 17:49:24 lardman, ie the one where your gtk mainloop is Oct 14 17:49:42 hmm, my dialog is modal so it "blocks" Oct 14 17:49:55 lardman, ah, had do to 'source'' Oct 14 17:49:59 lardman, aah bad idea Oct 14 17:50:25 ok, so I'll add a timer callback and see if that works better Oct 14 17:50:26 means your whole gtk mainloop is blocked Oct 14 17:50:41 no events get processed, nothing Oct 14 17:50:42 zaheerm: yeah, but it should unblock once the dialog closes...? Oct 14 17:50:55 yes it should Oct 14 17:51:06 that's my problem, it doesn't seem to Oct 14 17:51:12 till-: poke Oct 14 17:51:14 but...how does gtk get its clicks etc. Oct 14 17:51:28 it doesn't after the dialog is dismissed Oct 14 17:51:36 i am not much of a gtk person so not sure how it marshals the events Oct 14 17:51:48 whole thing locks up, but the bus_callback thread keeps running until it returns Oct 14 17:51:55 My suspicion is that something in the gst bus code is not re-entrant. Oct 14 17:52:01 yeah Oct 14 17:52:11 ok, will do the timer thing and see what happens Oct 14 17:52:20 or you could do an idle_add Oct 14 17:52:46 the bus callback is not designed to be blocked... Oct 14 17:52:52 ok Oct 14 17:53:01 is idle_add a better bet than the timer? Oct 14 17:53:17 it's ugly but easier to write Oct 14 17:53:26 timer callback didn't seem to work from my webscrape/parse code I should mention Oct 14 17:53:32 yay! cdc_acm is in the kernel source.. now how on earth do you compile a kernel module? Oct 14 17:53:40 Will Maemo 5 be able to be run on the N800 in any fashion? Oct 14 17:53:52 ~mer Oct 14 17:53:52 no. Oct 14 17:53:52 dmsuperman, no.. Oct 14 17:53:53 i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Oct 14 17:53:59 dmsuperman, the mer project is trying similar stuff Oct 14 17:53:59 * qwerty12_N810 points dmsuperman to the /topic Oct 14 17:54:00 he said any fashion, mer counts ;p Oct 14 17:54:02 lardman: Whups, dinner calls. Oct 14 17:54:08 Let me know if you have any luck. Oct 14 17:54:17 Ah Oct 14 17:54:29 um, how can i compile modules within the maemo kernel source? Oct 14 17:54:44 derf: will do, thanks Oct 14 17:54:49 zaheerm: thanks also Oct 14 17:55:04 guysoft42: alter the defconfig Oct 14 17:55:16 lardman, is there menu-config? Oct 14 17:55:18 Laiska, ok.. Oct 14 17:55:18 run make menuconfig iirc Oct 14 17:55:21 make sure you have the right arch set Oct 14 17:55:22 The ars article I just read mentioned that one of the biggest features of maemo 5 will be calendaring, which really doesn't exist for my N800... any idea if there are plans to either emulate or port this functionality to mer then? Oct 14 17:55:38 Stskeeps: ;) Oct 14 17:55:45 dmsuperman, ask in #mer i think Oct 14 17:55:46 dmsuperman: I imagine it will come Oct 14 17:55:46 qwerty: Here? Oct 14 17:55:51 /opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1/bin/bash: defconfig: command not found Oct 14 17:55:54 Or perhaps there's a calendar app that I've missed Oct 14 17:56:00 Will do zaheerm Oct 14 17:56:03 RST38h: Ja, but I'm computer-less now Oct 14 17:56:14 guysoft42: not directly, and it's called .defconfig Oct 14 17:56:18 qwerty: Got a chance to try it without gettimeofday? Oct 14 17:56:21 I think Oct 14 17:56:30 do make menuconfig or similar Oct 14 17:56:54 RST38h: I said (before): yes, but it still gets called from somewhere Oct 14 17:57:32 qwerty: Is it still slow? (sorry, I did not see the original answer) Oct 14 17:57:43 RST38h: Yes Oct 14 17:58:05 a'ok. is it slow when you stop all transfers btw? Oct 14 17:59:20 success! Oct 14 17:59:33 lardman, ok, this is strange! make menuconfig results in a compile error! http://pastebin.com/m7d65181b Oct 14 17:59:36 dmsuperman: gcobb maintains GPE Calendar Oct 14 17:59:48 RST38h: No, when I get the chance to actually stop it =) Oct 14 18:00:08 Jaffa: Last I used it GPE calendar didn't work well or sync with google calendar without several issues Oct 14 18:00:24 qwerty: then poll it is. Oct 14 18:00:27 derf: when you get back from supper, as you're not so busy ;) fancy doing a libdmtx rewrite a la QR code? ;) Oct 14 18:00:32 dmsuperman, for me it just pulled calendars fine, but did not update them Oct 14 18:00:34 qwerty: I will look further into it Oct 14 18:00:53 guysoft42: I need bi-directional or it's useless to use Oct 14 18:00:56 dmsuperman: Maemo 5'll only sync to your first calendar OOtB. There's also Khertan's mCalendar Oct 14 18:01:03 guysoft42: ah, you may need to alter the .defconfig manually Oct 14 18:01:15 dmsuperman, bidi works in N810 quite fine.. Oct 14 18:01:20 Jaffa: Yeah mcalendar also had some issues... like it would just randomly set off alarms Oct 14 18:01:34 guysoft42: I've not compiled a kernel in ages though, so I may be wrong, sorry, just going from a ~2yo memory Oct 14 18:01:34 dmsuperman, in the GPE there is a glitch Oct 14 18:01:39 RST38h: Thank you. Apart from lacking the knowledge, I'm also having fun with my pet applet :) Oct 14 18:01:43 guysoft42: I have an N800, but shouldn't they theoretically both work? Oct 14 18:01:53 dmsuperman, um, yes.. well i am not sure Oct 14 18:02:07 anyone knows how to compile a kernel module in maemo? Oct 14 18:04:02 guysoft42: google maemo kernel compile, etc Oct 14 18:04:14 it knows everything after all ;) Oct 14 18:04:55 lardman, it says to do make menuconfig : Oct 14 18:04:55 :( Oct 14 18:05:07 really? Oct 14 18:05:45 hmm, I seem to remember having troubles with that, depending on the target Oct 14 18:05:45 which device is this? Oct 14 18:08:55 Laiska, yay got it! Oct 14 18:09:03 had do add exit to some file Oct 14 18:09:58 Opening any webpage with my N810, it sits at 'Connecting' for 30-40 secs. Is that normal? Oct 14 18:10:15 sadly. :P Oct 14 18:10:38 40 secs is not normal Oct 14 18:10:51 You've been targeted by Nokia's N900 advertising campaign Oct 14 18:10:52 unless that page has got loads of images and javascript Oct 14 18:11:02 *any* page Oct 14 18:11:29 Like, google.com Oct 14 18:12:13 Are any of the other browsers faster? Oct 14 18:12:20 Ronaldo38741, open up this link with our browser http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/tear.install Oct 14 18:12:29 it'll install Tear Oct 14 18:12:42 Which is? Oct 14 18:12:45 s/our/your tablets/ Oct 14 18:12:53 it's a fast web browser Oct 14 18:13:28 * guysoft42 is compiling the kernel Oct 14 18:13:36 So it's a microb rather than N810 issue? Oct 14 18:14:36 n810 isn't the best hardware for todays web-pages, but Tear makes browsing a lot faster :) Oct 14 18:14:57 I'd just like to be able to Google in under a minute Oct 14 18:15:25 sounds like you need Tear Oct 14 18:15:29 it transformed my n810 experience Oct 14 18:15:49 Does it have adblock/flashblock/equivalents? Oct 14 18:16:00 I present our first Tearaholics member: Stskeeps Oct 14 18:16:19 That said, I use it over MicroB on the N810 Oct 14 18:16:48 just open up the link with microb and it'll open application-manager asking about the install :) Oct 14 18:16:48 damn. looks like usb is broken on this machine so i can't flash my n900. grumble Oct 14 18:16:52 andre__: yeah, ran into that earlier Oct 14 18:17:10 Meizirkki: installing now Oct 14 18:17:25 i want my (broken) T61 back. sigh Oct 14 18:17:57 andre__: had to switch away from my USB hub and then it worked :P Oct 14 18:18:27 heh Oct 14 18:18:44 i simply need even more machines here :-P Oct 14 18:18:47 How does microb relate to Fennec? Oct 14 18:23:06 lardman: Long term, yes. Oct 14 18:23:18 I don't think I have _that_ much time, though. Oct 14 18:23:26 At least not today. Oct 14 18:23:52 andre__: when do you change a bug from unconfirmed to new? Oct 14 18:24:36 Meizirkki, tear is about 10x quicker. Thanks Oct 14 18:25:39 Did anything ever get announced about an N900 developer program? Oct 14 18:26:02 derf: lol Oct 14 18:26:11 for long time bit Oct 14 18:26:18 prometoys, basically when you can confirm it :-P e.g. reproduce in case of a bug, or if it makes sense for an enhancement. i admit the latter is vague Oct 14 18:26:20 re. dev program, no. Oct 14 18:26:28 derf, nope Oct 14 18:26:31 I thought something was supposed to get announced at the summit. Oct 14 18:26:34 I guess not. Oct 14 18:28:01 all participants got a n900 though, except if they were subcontractors or employeees of nokia Oct 14 18:28:21 andre__ thx Oct 14 18:28:22 In which case they'll have already had one ;) Oct 14 18:29:19 hi, is the tag cloud widget used in the fremantle image viewer contained in libcumulus? Oct 14 18:29:47 Stskeeps, actually that rule was not applied that drastically. because i also got one (after convincing them that keeping the old brick wasn't a solution) Oct 14 18:30:33 andre__: well what was said official, not what was actually done ;) Oct 14 18:32:18 Stskeeps, I didn't asked for a new one for example ;) Oct 14 18:33:32 VDVsx: Being their bit^H^H a Maemo Community Council member does not make you an employee :p Oct 14 18:33:44 pH5: Yessir Oct 14 18:35:37 qwerty12_N810, nop, but I'm not greedy ;) Oct 14 18:35:56 andre__: are you automatically CC of all bugs? Oct 14 18:36:13 VDVsx: Should've pretended you didn't already have one Oct 14 18:36:32 prometoys, nope Oct 14 18:36:35 prometoys: He has the All Seeing Eye over bugs.maemo.org Oct 14 18:36:47 qwerty12_N810: thanks. Oct 14 18:37:00 but i have x-ray eyes and superpowers! Oct 14 18:37:27 after eating chocolate. which reminds me of... Oct 14 18:37:28 andre__: what does it mean, when you are a CC of a bug. did you take a look on it Oct 14 18:37:29 qwerty12_N810, lol, that's general knowledge at this point ;) Oct 14 18:37:42 prometoys, basically yes. in some rare cases not Oct 14 18:37:51 the "did your n900 ship today" is pretty awesome Oct 14 18:38:20 * solarion wishes his n00 shipped today Oct 14 18:38:21 * VDVsx goes watch football Oct 14 18:38:22 GeneralAntilles: here's my movie I was talking about :) http://wazd.blip.tv/ Oct 14 18:38:43 'course, it shipping is predicated on it being ordered. :) Oct 14 18:38:44 oh, football. right. i need a tv... Oct 14 18:39:18 Sell your kitchen sink Oct 14 18:39:27 * Stskeeps wants to get rid of his tv signal Oct 14 18:39:58 TV sucks Oct 14 18:40:04 it sucks less than no TV, however. Oct 14 18:40:16 but what to do with all the dirty dishes then? outsourcing again? Oct 14 18:40:52 andre__: Ask Nokia for their kitchen sink that tells Ovi the items you wash up Oct 14 18:41:23 oh. Oct 14 18:43:57 andre__ i'm looking for unconfirmed bugs and try to triage them. does it make sense to triage a bug, where you (or someone else) is in the CC? Oct 14 18:44:41 oh, of course :) Oct 14 18:44:47 andre__, I tried getting a roommate, but it just made for more dishes and less dishwashing. :P Oct 14 18:45:03 GeneralAntilles: is your beagle still dead: Oct 14 18:45:08 ? Oct 14 18:45:24 prometoys, just because I'm on CC does not mean that everything is okay, and that opinions and ideas cannot be added ;-) Oct 14 18:45:40 Stskeeps, more or less. Oct 14 18:45:44 ? Oct 14 18:45:45 k Oct 14 18:45:58 GeneralAntilles, same here with the other male flatmates. the female ones though are quite useful :-P Oct 14 18:45:58 Stskeeps, I think it boots, but I used its SD card in something else. Oct 14 18:45:58 Why? Oct 14 18:46:11 GeneralAntilles: resurrecting beagle port of maemo Oct 14 18:46:32 Stskeeps, that would require me working on things, or . . . ? :P Oct 14 18:47:00 dunno Oct 14 18:47:04 or testing Oct 14 18:57:19 bo-riing Oct 14 18:57:31 why isn't qgil on here? Oct 14 18:57:41 why should he be here? Oct 14 18:57:42 at 10pm? Oct 14 18:57:53 you mean that instead of spending time with his family, he should be here? Oct 14 18:57:55 He found out you were here and took a rain check Oct 14 18:57:58 Because he has insufficient dedication. Oct 14 18:58:18 he used to, but keeping track on here and talk.* would steal anyones sanity Oct 14 18:58:43 Now I know why that sudden drop in my personal performance. Oct 14 18:58:46 Maemo's too big to track all of the channels these days. Oct 14 18:59:01 _I_ can't even keep up with them, and I'm a poor college student with oodles of free time. :P Oct 14 18:59:55 * qwerty12_N810 mutters something about spending time and beaches Oct 14 19:00:06 it's really hard to keep up with all the communication channels nowadays, yeah Oct 14 19:01:40 word of mouth works well enough Oct 14 19:01:50 lcuk, if only. ;) Oct 14 19:01:52 if something is outragious on tmo GAN will keep us informed Oct 14 19:01:55 andre__, btw, I think it was you who redirectered some maemian with MSCHAPv2 problems to the eduroam PAP bug; they're not the same, there's a separate eduroam MSCHAPv2 bug actually (but can't find it...) Oct 14 19:02:15 * lcuk keeps an eye on the spy page Oct 14 19:02:42 And if I want to find about Ovi and Maemo, I ask lcuk's finger Oct 14 19:03:06 is there some easy way to track the bugzilla btw? Oct 14 19:03:11 Stskeeps: I'd see that. :) Oct 14 19:03:29 (in case anyone is having eduroam problems and wants to joing the very select libicd-network-wpa testers group, please backup your tablet and email me :) ) Oct 14 19:03:48 frals, you can create a recent changes search. Oct 14 19:03:55 those same people, pack up their tablets and mail em to me Oct 14 19:04:05 javispedro: I still have r13 installed :p Oct 14 19:04:07 frals, so you can get a list of all bugs that have been changed in the past x days. Oct 14 19:04:13 GeneralAntilles: oh cool Oct 14 19:04:22 * timeless_mbp pokes andre__ Oct 14 19:04:22 qwerty12_N810: any battery-dead-in-the-morning issue? Oct 14 19:04:28 frals, that, or just subscribe to any bug that peaks your interest. Oct 14 19:04:31 andre__: getting random groups to fix files Oct 14 19:04:34 is a terrible approach Oct 14 19:04:41 i've spent over a year trying to get mozilla to fix their repository Oct 14 19:04:43 it doesn't work Oct 14 19:04:48 javispedro: No, but I haven't had a chance to use it :/ Oct 14 19:04:52 stupid uelesse library network Oct 14 19:04:56 yeah ive subscribed to a few bugs, the problem is finding them really, might just be me not used to bugzilla thou Oct 14 19:04:58 I'd love to see a recent changes search added to the default searches. . . . Oct 14 19:05:05 frals: um Oct 14 19:05:06 qwerty12_N810: it being active is enough to crash your tablet Oct 14 19:05:09 ;) Oct 14 19:05:12 frals, bugzilla fails for browsing. Oct 14 19:05:16 bugs you voted for or bugs you cc'd yourself to? Oct 14 19:05:20 because both are trivial Oct 14 19:05:23 can a .install fiel add a repository, download and install files, remove repository again? Oct 14 19:05:35 lcuk, no. Oct 14 19:05:40 jsut joking of course. but i am still having a once in a month dead-in-the-morning issue it's getting very hard to debug. Oct 14 19:05:43 GeneralAntilles: no? Oct 14 19:05:45 why not? Oct 14 19:05:52 * qwerty12_N810 stops gatecrashing the libicd-network-wpa party Oct 14 19:05:54 a .install file can suggest a package to install Oct 14 19:06:05 the package can in post.inst as root do anything Oct 14 19:06:07 timeless_mbp, well, I suppose if you do something fun with the postinst. . . . Oct 14 19:06:15 o_O Oct 14 19:06:17 including trying to find the stupid xml file and sources.list.d/ file Oct 14 19:06:18 (not necessarily libicd-network-wpa's fault :P) Oct 14 19:06:21 and then delete its bits Oct 14 19:06:37 But it's not a feature of h-a-m or the .install file, no. ;) Oct 14 19:07:01 timeless, file an internal ticket if that's really such a huge problem for you Oct 14 19:07:03 lcuk: it's not the designed goal of an .install file Oct 14 19:07:06 then check if the tablet is a loaned one and if so rm -rf / . Oct 14 19:07:11 so, basically with http://10.0.0.1/a.install from a machine on the local network Oct 14 19:07:34 looks like using cannons to shoot small birdies to me (hmm, does this proverb really work in english?) Oct 14 19:07:45 not particularly well :) Oct 14 19:07:51 javispedro: You're not gonna get thumbs up that way ;) Oct 14 19:07:51 there's an equivalent somewhere, but i don't use it Oct 14 19:07:56 the other alternative is to have the presentation software on maemo.org and find its data locally Oct 14 19:08:17 lcuk: basically, it is possible to do what you want Oct 14 19:08:21 it's considered evil Oct 14 19:08:23 but well... Oct 14 19:08:52 timeless, well i had a bit of a problem at the summit Oct 14 19:09:00 about timing to get apps through into extras Oct 14 19:09:19 andre__: "Using a bazooka to shoot a fly" is the normal English idiom. Oct 14 19:09:50 the need for small groups of special interest users to have a simple mechanism to install software for an event isnt high yet, but it was frustrating at odz Oct 14 19:10:24 Software EXchange sharing plugin! Oct 14 19:10:24 ah yes, what derf said Oct 14 19:10:24 andre__, something involving a sledgehammer and finishing nails would work better. ;) Oct 14 19:10:27 or that Oct 14 19:10:53 javispedro: SEX sharing plugin? Oct 14 19:11:01 eaxctly. Oct 14 19:11:10 Any of you guys in EU: Can you just go in to a mobile shop and buy a N900? (ME Magazine UK for Oct 09 lists it as the device for 'prosumers') Oct 14 19:11:20 javispedro: That's called Bluetooth Oct 14 19:11:28 proberts_: no, its not released yet Oct 14 19:13:18 qwerty12_N810, transmission client running on all machines in a lan and a growing collection of media with automatic refresh and downloads Oct 14 19:13:51 the spirit of Direct Connect iirc. Oct 14 19:13:56 * lcuk nods Oct 14 19:14:12 tho dc was less about shared dl Oct 14 19:14:27 Direct Connect. Share 3TB or GTFO. Oct 14 19:14:31 frals: I think it was releases here in the US last week? Or did it get delayed? Oct 14 19:14:31 each download had to be manually assigned to each user afaik Oct 14 19:14:40 qwerty12_N810, gtfo then lol Oct 14 19:14:48 or share your C:\ drive Oct 14 19:15:06 I have nothing interesting Oct 14 19:15:17 3TB C:\ drive O.o Oct 14 19:15:20 * javispedro still not used to year 2009. Oct 14 19:15:50 qwerty12_N810, that never stopped people trying Oct 14 19:15:58 javispedro: you're running out of time :) Oct 14 19:15:58 even in the low ceiling chans Oct 14 19:16:28 october already? :( Oct 14 19:16:30 lcuk: Meh, doesn't matter. The files available were shit or were readily available from other sources Oct 14 19:16:38 derf, ah. thanks :) Oct 14 19:17:04 qwerty12_N810, retention on dc is greatly more than the retention of any torrent client Oct 14 19:17:20 frals: Looks like it was delayed here.... so, where are people from the Maemo community getting them? Oct 14 19:17:26 javispedro, I think the only thing keeping me from losing my mind is it not reading 3000GB. :D Oct 14 19:17:36 3TB Hdd <- that's what porn does with people :D Oct 14 19:17:55 lol 30 times my current "C:\" drive. Oct 14 19:18:12 my c drive has just gone upto 60gb Oct 14 19:18:13 lcuk: Sure, but I'm not limiting this to just BitTorrent Oct 14 19:18:36 * lcuk nods Oct 14 19:19:10 im a fat bloater today, tea was delicious and well needed. Oct 14 19:20:26 javispedro: I'm still boggling that my current computer has a million times more RAM than my first, and is a million times as fast. Oct 14 19:20:34 My boot volume just dropped down to 80GB. Oct 14 19:20:36 Hooray SSD. Oct 14 19:20:44 (zx81, c2d laptop with 2G RAM) Oct 14 19:20:46 and only about ten times more productive! Oct 14 19:20:55 :) Oct 14 19:21:01 joooking. Oct 14 19:21:17 don't want to open than particular can of bugs (again) ;) Oct 14 19:22:29 proberts_, it's not out in US either. Those who haven't received prototypes or loaners are waiting on preorders still :) Oct 14 19:22:40 This may seem like a simple question - but isn't hildon_gtk_tree_view_new supposed to create the view AND be scrollable? Oct 14 19:23:00 ShadowJK: Thanks. Oct 14 19:23:03 so, who lost track of cc listed bugs? Oct 14 19:23:04 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=cc&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%25user%25 Oct 14 19:23:07 is a query you should try Oct 14 19:23:14 fiferboy: nope. you still need gtkscrollabe/hildonpannable. Oct 14 19:23:28 If I put it in a pannable, the headers scroll off the top... Oct 14 19:23:43 Am I not supposed to be using headers :| Oct 14 19:23:52 hum. I didn't notice that. Oct 14 19:24:00 doesn't happen with scrollable for sure. Oct 14 19:24:01 * javispedro checks. Oct 14 19:26:04 fiferboy: WORKSFORME. Oct 14 19:26:22 javispedro: Thanks for the sanity check. I was adding with _add_viewport, and of course treeview has it's own viewport Oct 14 19:26:32 Just need to do a container add on the pannable area :) Oct 14 19:26:35 :) Oct 14 19:39:15 hey all Oct 14 19:41:48 hey Tadthebuilder Oct 14 19:47:21 qwerty12, where's my nice kinetic scrolling for Fremantle XChat? :P Oct 14 19:47:41 give me kinetic scrolling for freemantle xchat or give me death Oct 14 19:47:56 it's death then Oct 14 19:48:00 kk Oct 14 19:48:01 What's 'freemantle'? :P Oct 14 19:48:07 thats fine Oct 14 19:48:11 well Oct 14 19:48:11 he means fermantle Oct 14 19:48:19 its an extra e put in fremantle Oct 14 19:48:31 emphasize the free software foundation of said software Oct 14 19:48:32 It's called 'fermantel' duh Oct 14 19:48:36 GAN900: I really do not wish to give you another "/dev" answer Oct 14 19:49:03 Tadthebuilder, its open source, supply a patch :D Oct 14 19:49:06 qwerty12, doooo it. Oct 14 19:49:15 ah okay Oct 14 19:49:20 ill get right on that Oct 14 19:49:21 * lcuk is joking of course Oct 14 19:49:24 its rather annoying Oct 14 19:49:31 to be honest I dont use xchat, and I dont know what kinetic scrolling is Oct 14 19:49:37 but the list has dual function Oct 14 19:49:43 I was just tring to help on Gan900 and make him feel not alone Oct 14 19:50:06 * GAN900 wishes rtcomm would use his name instead of his screenname for IM. Oct 14 19:50:07 good idea lol Oct 14 19:50:28 you can set screen names for every account Oct 14 19:50:28 Kinetic is where the scrolling area has inertia. Oct 14 19:50:50 Keeps on scrolling so you can 'flick' it Oct 14 19:50:54 afaik XChat uses custom gtk widget for message window, so no luck Oct 14 19:51:09 GAN900: Get me Tab Oct 14 19:51:27 xchat's rendering is so slow that kinetic scrolling would be a disaster anyway Oct 14 19:51:31 RST38h, that appears to have no effect. Oct 14 19:51:55 GAN: Well, afaik for kinetic scrolling you need to derive it from one of standard widgets Oct 14 19:52:00 qwerty12, I tried. :( Oct 14 19:52:14 khertan got it working, apparently. Oct 14 19:53:08 now that you mention it, moving the xchat scrollbar up and down uses quite a bit of CPU power Oct 14 19:55:12 It used to be so bad (probably still is), that you could hang an xchat client on P3-733MHz by sending enough junk to it (but not enough junk for most irc servers to kick you off) Oct 14 19:56:43 * Tadthebuilder is getting a bit nervous Oct 14 19:56:46 ah Oct 14 19:56:49 kinetic scrolling is cool then Oct 14 19:58:02 is there some easy way to configure n810 to go to standby when I slide in the keyboard? Oct 14 19:58:15 and then come back when I slide it out Oct 14 19:58:36 slidelock Oct 14 20:03:33 lcuk: you there? Oct 14 20:04:11 so was maemo summit profitable for those of you that went? Oct 14 20:04:20 By the way, lbt_, did the ping timeout? ;) Oct 14 20:04:41 mmm I think so... Maemo Security Talk IIRC Oct 14 20:05:15 and the free n900 helps Oct 14 20:05:22 Ah Oct 14 20:06:14 free? I thought they were loans Oct 14 20:06:25 Well, free loaners. Oct 14 20:06:41 Firebird they are loans and don't let anyone tell you different Oct 14 20:07:31 its still a free n900 for what 4 months? Oct 14 20:08:04 I hope this doesn't mean Nokia is secretly estimating 4 months until enough N900 units are available Oct 14 20:08:31 im just hoping they sell the loaners as cheap refurbished unites Oct 14 20:08:35 units* Oct 14 20:08:47 or maybe they forget to ask for them back? ;) Oct 14 20:09:13 I would not like that...haha Oct 14 20:09:13 lol why Oct 14 20:09:13 well Oct 14 20:09:18 ah, i take it you dont have one of them? Oct 14 20:09:20 its fine if they forget Oct 14 20:09:30 as long as if they remembered they were not going to sell them for cheap Oct 14 20:09:34 Jealously is an ugly color, Tadthebuilder. :D Oct 14 20:09:39 haha Oct 14 20:09:41 haha Oct 14 20:09:41 :) Oct 14 20:09:46 im just kidding Oct 14 20:09:53 has anyone heard any news on the official release? Oct 14 20:09:54 i hope everyone keeps their n900's forever Oct 14 20:09:57 and they work really well Oct 14 20:09:59 and never mess up Oct 14 20:10:19 and I also hope that someone throws one at me in a violent rage and I isntead of pressing charges of assault keep it Oct 14 20:10:32 thats my plan Tadthebuilder, when I get mummified, i plan to have mine with me in my tomb Oct 14 20:11:18 What if you are due for cremation? Oct 14 20:12:06 We'll know by him sharing it on Twitter, using Mauku Oct 14 20:13:04 RST38h, ive already told the loved ones around me i wish to be buried Oct 14 20:13:44 you never see cremated zombies, nor frozen ones Oct 14 20:13:47 i have no wishes for my body when I die...ill be dead. Oct 14 20:13:52 hmm Oct 14 20:13:55 good point Oct 14 20:14:10 and mummies must be mummafied Oct 14 20:14:21 mummies > zombies in terms of undead power Oct 14 20:14:21 :D Oct 14 20:15:27 that might make a good movie Oct 14 20:15:31 zombies vs mummies Oct 14 20:15:39 lol Oct 14 20:19:21 i see massive amounts of n900 product placement potential Oct 14 20:19:46 hobos with tablets Oct 14 20:20:29 hoblet Oct 14 20:22:31 Anyone else in the room at the CELF conference tomorrow? Oct 14 20:23:28 Tadthebuilder: the mummies vs zombies movie is out there... Oct 14 20:23:33 along with mummies vs ninjas Oct 14 20:23:41 zombies vs pirates Oct 14 20:23:46 pirates vs mummies Oct 14 20:23:50 pirates vs ninjas Oct 14 20:26:29 I think the network split, but thats just me ;) Oct 14 20:26:43 could be. Oct 14 20:26:48 re Oct 14 20:26:49 Or they all just got n900s delivered. Oct 14 20:26:51 orwell vs freenode Oct 14 20:27:06 hmm, despite the split, quite a few online Oct 14 20:27:06 hiyo lardman Oct 14 20:27:13 hey javispedro Oct 14 20:27:28 in all honesty SpeedEvil, if my N900 was delivered, i wouldnt even waste time signing off IRC ;) Oct 14 20:27:39 javispedro: I checked your last update and it works nicely now.. Oct 14 20:27:39 you'd let it timeout :) Oct 14 20:27:58 gnuton: ah, .zip files. yes, I touched quite a few things. Oct 14 20:28:00 lardman: thank for sending the video, I'll get to work on it at the weekend Oct 14 20:28:18 if i had mine n900 i most certanly would irc with it Oct 14 20:28:24 JamieBennett: he lives! Oct 14 20:28:31 :) just Oct 14 20:28:33 javispedro: Just one thing.. what about using HildonStackedWindows? Oct 14 20:28:44 gnuton: btw, it'll use the largest file on the .zip file as "rom". Oct 14 20:28:45 jysky, of course, we all will, but would u bother signing off IRC on your computer before leaving to go open your n900? i think not :) Oct 14 20:28:46 Not long got here, 10:30 hr trip! Oct 14 20:28:49 JamieBennett: np, serious cursing this morning trying to get anything from laptop to desktop (with DVD burner) Oct 14 20:28:53 gnuton: for the controls dialog? Oct 14 20:29:11 javispedro: for control dialogs and the emulator windows itself. Oct 14 20:29:22 actually, the emulator is another process. Oct 14 20:29:24 javispedro: you have just to set the correct XAtoms.. i Oct 14 20:29:34 lardman: You could of put it on your n900 and I would of borrowed it (then ebay'd it ;)) Oct 14 20:29:40 Xisdibik, i don't understand signing of irc on my computer, you mean the time all electricity is gone? Oct 14 20:29:42 javispedro: mmm ok Oct 14 20:29:46 JamieBennett: I lost your number when I did an impulse upgrade to the latest flash image, doh! Oct 14 20:29:53 gnuton: i plan to do like the other fremantle games and just a hardcoded "back" button there. Oct 14 20:30:01 s/just/just draw Oct 14 20:30:11 JamieBennett: didn't think of that, it was on there Oct 14 20:30:11 lardman: I'm easy to get hold of :) Oct 14 20:30:16 javispedro: ok, btw what is crap now.. are the buttons.. :( Oct 14 20:30:24 hardware buttons? Oct 14 20:30:24 JamieBennett: but mine has no N900 on it, collectors' edition ;) Oct 14 20:30:39 javispedro: it's difficult to play to Super street fighter whit N900 buttons.. :( Oct 14 20:30:52 larman: (cheap Chinese knock-off then) Oct 14 20:30:53 jysky, no, i mean if your n900 came, you would stop anything you were doing to go open it and use it :) Oct 14 20:30:56 gnuton: ah well. even worse than n810? :( Oct 14 20:31:05 JamieBennett: yes, zerojayN900 did a good job tweeting you I understand :) Oct 14 20:31:05 javispedro: yes Oct 14 20:31:06 Xisdibik, naturally :) Oct 14 20:31:23 JamieBennett: you in France now then? Oct 14 20:31:34 btw. any news about n900 shipment date? Oct 14 20:31:39 javispedro: pressing right + up in N810 was more simple Oct 14 20:31:44 lardman: In the bar paying £7 a pint :( Oct 14 20:31:46 javispedro: (for example) Oct 14 20:31:53 gnuton: oh, I feared that :( Oct 14 20:31:59 lardman: zerojay did what? Oct 14 20:32:09 JamieBennett: ouch! Oct 14 20:32:23 JamieBennett: he said he was going to tweet you to ask for your mobile # Oct 14 20:32:26 that "singing off irc" thing is almost as oldfashioned as using multiple clients on separate machines ;-F Oct 14 20:32:40 jysky, if you find out, let me know :) Oct 14 20:32:42 ah, I haven't been on twitter whist in transit Oct 14 20:32:43 JamieBennett: switch to wine, should be cheaper! Oct 14 20:32:47 * JamieBennett goes to check Oct 14 20:32:58 oh right, how come the sms then? Oct 14 20:33:14 hmm, wifi direct and rumors of a N920, things happen it seems Oct 14 20:33:27 "wifi direct"? Oct 14 20:34:00 wb GeneralAntilles Oct 14 20:34:00 Is that a term for GSM over wifi roaming? Oct 14 20:34:01 lardman: yep, zerojay tweet (email is easier :)) Oct 14 20:34:06 why can't nokia be like apple when releasing products. why is it that they all ways say "we have this awesome new gadget. BUT you can't get it till next year" Oct 14 20:34:31 and to be like apple would be to just not mention it at all until next year? Oct 14 20:34:37 wifi direct is the wifi version of bt pan Oct 14 20:34:56 lardman, those creepers on the other side of that split Oct 14 20:34:57 ie p2p Oct 14 20:34:57 or break the legs of people who do mention it Oct 14 20:35:00 Agh! They're back. Oct 14 20:35:01 * GeneralAntilles hides. Oct 14 20:35:04 true, just thought email would be more difficult than sms, but then I didn't reckon on the wonders of the N900! Oct 14 20:35:13 frals: it's called adhoc. Oct 14 20:35:14 Mek, well i would like it much more that when they release device i can go show and buy it Oct 14 20:35:14 not wait till next year Oct 14 20:35:16 * lcuk uses wifi and multicast Oct 14 20:35:18 javispedro: its a new standard for doing pretty much that Oct 14 20:35:21 frals: i hope its more then that if they plan to fully replace bluetooth Oct 14 20:35:24 I don't see in what respect any n900 follower would be significantly better/different. Oct 14 20:35:31 what ive read about it, anyway Oct 14 20:35:31 except more speed and all that Oct 14 20:35:32 smaller Oct 14 20:35:33 etc. Oct 14 20:35:40 keyboardless? Oct 14 20:35:46 ali1234: that would be horrible Oct 14 20:35:48 hope not. Oct 14 20:35:49 jysky: saunalahti's forums say that they will be receiving small shipment in week 44 or 45 for those who preordered first Oct 14 20:35:59 jysky: have a cookie and enjoy life Oct 14 20:35:59 frals: lol, and who is reiventing the wheel this time? apple? Oct 14 20:36:05 it would not necessarily be better, but it would be significantly different Oct 14 20:36:05 Shapeshifter, not horrible, just different Oct 14 20:36:11 zemm, what week are we in now :) Oct 14 20:36:19 42 Oct 14 20:36:26 zemm, darn, i preordered from verkkokauppa Oct 14 20:36:38 "WI-FI ALLIANCE® ANNOUNCES GROUNDBREAKING SPECIFICATION Oct 14 20:36:38 TO SUPPORT DIRECT WI-FI CONNECTIONS BETWEEN DEVICES Oct 14 20:36:44 ops, multiline, sorry about that Oct 14 20:36:46 ............... Oct 14 20:36:46 which is probably when they'll get a small shipment as well Oct 14 20:36:55 frals, mmm i do that now Oct 14 20:36:59 i did it with adhoc for ages Oct 14 20:37:02 frals: that's adhoc? :P Oct 14 20:37:05 i can even do it with hotel wifi Oct 14 20:37:07 Myrtti, i'm not counting on that :D Oct 14 20:37:11 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/wi-fi-direct-enabling-p2p-communications-amongst-wifi-wares-sca/ Oct 14 20:37:18 whats new about that? Oct 14 20:37:20 hasn't ad-hoc been possible for a loooong time? Oct 14 20:37:22 Wi-Fi Alliance wants to get up in the marketing bandwagon. Oct 14 20:37:49 p2p wifi, just wait for RIAA to come knockin on ur door :) Oct 14 20:38:17 and they even say that the "standard was previously named WIFi peer to peer". no mention of adhoc. Oct 14 20:38:17 no idea what the diff with adhoc is but yeah... Oct 14 20:38:26 i wonder if the wi-fi alliance demands to be taken seriously Oct 14 20:38:27 what would be good is maintaining connection to 3g, but using wifi chipset for adhoc too Oct 14 20:38:39 but i dont know if the hardware supports Oct 14 20:38:43 anyone wishing for a thinner and lighter n900 with no keyboard or am I mad? Oct 14 20:38:48 so, gestures... Oct 14 20:38:53 wifi and 3g are completely seperate Oct 14 20:38:57 .|.. to gestures Oct 14 20:38:59 frals: for a start I'd guess "standarized" way of doing WPA2. Oct 14 20:39:01 they get in the way of real work Oct 14 20:39:08 or limit what real work can be done Oct 14 20:39:19 zerojay, ping? Oct 14 20:39:23 bluetooth is already p2p and much much better Oct 14 20:39:23 lcuk: the man I wanted Oct 14 20:39:23 JamieBennett: mad Oct 14 20:39:23 new kind of gesture Oct 14 20:39:26 JamieBennett: I think there's a "Nokla" N900 that fits that description ;) Oct 14 20:39:40 you know sometimes you listen to music Oct 14 20:39:50 and it's a PITA to get it out of your pocket to pause Oct 14 20:39:52 lbt, any gesture that overlays actual content increases the risk of incorrectly actioning things Oct 14 20:39:54 double tap it Oct 14 20:40:01 accelerometer gesture Oct 14 20:40:01 which leads to iphone tick as people go back and try again Oct 14 20:40:05 proberts: that wouldn't be the n800 would it? Oct 14 20:40:22 I want the n900 with better hardware Oct 14 20:40:24 lbt, shake2control Oct 14 20:40:27 double tap pauses music Oct 14 20:40:34 samppa has it for mafw now Oct 14 20:40:35 double tap un pauses it Oct 14 20:40:35 its a widget Oct 14 20:40:58 JamieBennett: Could be the Nokla N800 with an "N900" sticker :P Oct 14 20:40:59 just patting my coat pocket Oct 14 20:41:09 should send a "double pat" dbus signal Oct 14 20:41:14 WLAN/bluetooth/etc.. between two nodes its not hard but if there a network its bit more complicated as all devices have to take part in routing. Also less business for accesspooints.. Oct 14 20:41:22 on the railtracks clickity click clickity click Oct 14 20:41:24 JamieBennett: make in "Fineland" :P Oct 14 20:41:24 i've got an n800 here, it's much bigger and heavier than the n900 Oct 14 20:41:34 GeneralAntilles: lol Oct 14 20:41:36 lol Oct 14 20:41:47 lcuk: that's why I need you to recognise the gesture Oct 14 20:41:47 * lardman is slightly delayed due to debugging C code Oct 14 20:42:08 * GeneralAntilles throws food at zerojay. Oct 14 20:42:18 JamieBennett: I compared it to my phone today, n900 is bit fat but I rather have keyboard still. I think the n1000 or what ever will the be the slim bigger brother Oct 14 20:42:29 GeneralAntilles: Don't feed the animals! Oct 14 20:42:57 VRe: I'm coming from the iPhone so as a phone I'm really disappointed :( Oct 14 20:43:12 JamieBennett, oh, please. :P Oct 14 20:43:23 hey, let him feed me im hungry Oct 14 20:43:29 Even my MDA Vario III was slimmer and that was a pig Oct 14 20:43:30 compared to my previous phone n900 is exactly the same width x height and about 60% of the thickness Oct 14 20:43:32 I have grown to dislike onscreen keyboards Oct 14 20:43:33 :( I login into Amazon and my book suggestions are all iphone books :( Oct 14 20:43:34 qwerty12_N810, you gonna libnotify up XChat? Oct 14 20:43:51 i've never understood what's so special about iPhone. to me it's just expensive toy Oct 14 20:43:53 GeneralAntilles: I've got other stuff ATM Oct 14 20:44:07 VRe: be careful, someone will direct lightening your way with that sort of talk ;) Oct 14 20:44:19 s/lightening/lightning Oct 14 20:44:21 doh! Oct 14 20:44:28 Well, 770, n800 and iphone all suck in that Oct 14 20:44:45 javispedro: all my amazon.com suggestions are for the kindle I bought my mom for her bday. Oct 14 20:44:46 VRe: I can out-type anyone with an n900 on the iPhone in landscape mode! Oct 14 20:44:59 Xisdibik: but I didn't buy an iPhone! Oct 14 20:45:11 and i can make understandable notes faster than you JamieBennett :P Oct 14 20:45:11 did anyone else notice the typo on the gupnp slides, "lightning control"? now that would be a really awesome feature... Oct 14 20:45:14 JamieBennett: but can you out type a japanese person on a normal number pad? I think not! Oct 14 20:45:28 lcuk: he can't type, that's not fair Oct 14 20:45:29 ahaha Oct 14 20:45:34 ali1234: do want! Oct 14 20:45:35 ali1234: there was a typo? Oct 14 20:45:36 jysky: 'i' part is great (UX) ('phone' part is terrible) Oct 14 20:45:37 a railgun! Oct 14 20:45:43 * lcuk cant tpye either Oct 14 20:45:48 petteri, :) Oct 14 20:45:54 oh Oct 14 20:45:55 dyslexics haev mroe fnu Oct 14 20:45:58 proberts_, :D Oct 14 20:46:01 javispedro: They know your true allegiance is to the iPhone. Traitor. Oct 14 20:46:16 * Xisdibik starts making a stake to burn javispedro at ;) Oct 14 20:46:16 ali1234: iirc i mentioned it as an example :) Oct 14 20:46:20 grab the matches qwerty12_N810 Oct 14 20:46:22 and I can stand on my head and recite the national anthem of Tunisia too, backwards ner-ner-n-ner-ner Oct 14 20:46:31 ali1234: to explain what UPnP is Oct 14 20:46:34 Xisdibik: Yessir Oct 14 20:46:38 javis is just happy the "101 uses for your midget" book has finally gone from his recommends list Oct 14 20:46:41 * qwerty12_N810 gets some petrol Oct 14 20:46:43 I just wonder as the device is so fat, so in my pocket .. will the girls like :) Oct 14 20:46:58 VRe: Depends on which pocket Oct 14 20:47:04 qwerty12_N810: what? but I pay the daily tributes to the Maemo gods! Oct 14 20:47:14 zeenix: sure, but lighting control != lightning control :) Oct 14 20:47:21 ali1234: but if you want lightning control on your device, gupnp-network-light should be pretty easy to build for n900 Oct 14 20:47:39 javispedro: Pay? You steal the tributes paid by others and pay Jobs himself Oct 14 20:47:41 ah :) Oct 14 20:47:45 JamieBennett: I think there is niche people for both sides Oct 14 20:47:52 Urgh, a fucking iPhone advert was just on TV Oct 14 20:47:56 ali1234: english ain't my first language :( Oct 14 20:48:04 what name do I give to pkg-config to configure for dbus? Oct 14 20:48:10 Annoying prick speaking, annoying music, annoying phone... fuck off Oct 14 20:48:25 * javispedro buys one of the iphone books: "How to cook forty iPhone users" Oct 14 20:48:52 * proberts_ thinks there's a little dust on that book, no? Oct 14 20:48:57 VRe: I'm not knocking the n900 and every comment I make on email, irc or any other media I say its not for *me* and that mainly to do with the current hardware. Oct 14 20:49:13 RST38h: tried the usual dbus-1, libdbus-1 ... ? Oct 14 20:49:13 VRe: Maemo will have other hardware. Oct 14 20:49:36 ow wow, 383 users on this channel Oct 14 20:49:57 javispedro: Get off. 381 is a nicer number Oct 14 20:50:39 JamieBennett: N900 is a beta device IMO... normally a company would build a bunch of close-enough protos and give them to developers and influencers to build the library and debug the UX for the official device, but Nokia has enough devs and early adopters they can sell it. Oct 14 20:50:56 lul Oct 14 20:51:02 its so frustrating, I'm really looking for already reported bugs but still producing duplicates :( Oct 14 20:51:07 JamieBennett: half of the thickness and it would be sizewise total winner - but is any other device with same hardware slimmer? Oct 14 20:51:07 iPhoneUser381: Evidence of your treachery! Oct 14 20:51:42 the phone isn't even that big imo. how small are you people's pockets? Oct 14 20:51:56 proberts_: I've been there since the 770 so I know a beta device or two. The n900 is a major push for them, hell, advert on bus stops, free upgrades on contract. This is a big thing for them Oct 14 20:51:58 aSIMULAter: Agreed Oct 14 20:52:00 aSIMULAter, amen! Oct 14 20:52:00 seems like a lot of people wear very tight pants Oct 14 20:52:02 hot pants, baby - hot pants :P Oct 14 20:52:08 Stskeeps, indeed. Oct 14 20:52:25 dude i'm like 5'2" probably the smallest person in here and i haven't complained about the size at all Oct 14 20:52:27 i guess n900 wouldn't be for the napoleon dynamite type of guy Oct 14 20:52:36 remember hte 3210? i remember when that was ooh wow such a small phone! Oct 14 20:52:39 half the thickness and pull off hte keyboard, and it'd just about be doable. Oct 14 20:52:40 and that fit in my pocket Oct 14 20:52:42 aSIMULAter: Its not the pant issue (I keep my phone in my bag) its the clunkyness when you use it Oct 14 20:52:56 to each their own i guess, i think it's a solid device Oct 14 20:52:57 but without the keyb... Oct 14 20:52:58 This aint the 80s. Wear real clothers. :P Oct 14 20:53:05 indeed Oct 14 20:53:18 anyone know if I need to free the pointer I get from g_value_get_string() ? Oct 14 20:53:18 thank spaghetti monster for the keyboard though Oct 14 20:53:30 JamieBennett: me too, my internal hacker went bonkers with 770.. but it was just and promise then Oct 14 20:53:33 JamieBennett, er, clunkyness? Oct 14 20:53:43 GAN900: If this was the 80's, you would have plenty of room in your parachute pants for an N900. Oct 14 20:53:59 the UI does need the official keyboard slider noise making when you slide it out Oct 14 20:54:01 JamieBennett, that just sounds silly, quite hinestly. Oct 14 20:54:03 GAN900: Its too big in the hand (ooh err!) Oct 14 20:54:18 why though? if you slide out hte keyboard you already heard hte noise :P Oct 14 20:54:19 Oh, small hands? Oct 14 20:54:37 GAN900: I'm 6 feet 4", not small hands Oct 14 20:54:38 ugh grammar mistakes, i think thsi means sleep Oct 14 20:54:52 Fits in my hands just fine. Oct 14 20:55:14 HTE really needs to be a mobile electronics brand. Oct 14 20:55:15 he is quite tall Oct 14 20:55:19 GAN900: You can't use it one handed, keyboard open its not balanced for me, but hey, this may be just me. Oct 14 20:55:21 how can I test if the accelerometer on my N900 is working? Oct 14 20:55:31 conboy starts sometimes in portrait mode Oct 14 20:55:31 go into images Oct 14 20:55:37 prometoys: Eyes Widget! Oct 14 20:55:46 qwerty12_N810: thx, Oct 14 20:55:49 turn device Oct 14 20:55:52 call Oct 14 20:56:04 play bounce Oct 14 20:56:16 use that light saber app in extrasdevel Oct 14 20:56:23 throw it at a kitten Oct 14 20:56:25 prometoys: It should be in Extras; install it and watch the eyes move as you turn :) Oct 14 20:56:27 aSIMULAter: turn phone for call doesnt work, but bounce Oct 14 20:56:29 * GAN900 spent 5 minutes trying to get the eyes widget to see my taps. . . . Oct 14 20:56:42 prometoys: you need to activate it, go into the call application, press on the view menu Oct 14 20:56:48 there should be a rotation setting button Oct 14 20:56:54 prometoys: install bounce? Oct 14 20:57:36 JamieBennett: I can play bounce Oct 14 20:57:43 call app -- view menu -- turning control Oct 14 20:57:52 prometoys: then it works Oct 14 20:58:00 the answer, for those listening, is "probably not" (depending on whether I now get a SEGFAULT) Oct 14 20:59:03 the bad news is that adding my barcode processing code to an idle thread hasn't really sorted the problem out Oct 14 20:59:06 On a completely unrelated not, Ocean Spray finally took HFC out of their cranberry juice. Oct 14 20:59:21 at least now I can press the X in the corner, but the rest of the UI is still locked Oct 14 20:59:24 ok, accelerometer works. thanks to everybody Oct 14 20:59:25 any other ideas? Oct 14 20:59:35 lardman: give up Oct 14 20:59:46 never! Oct 14 20:59:47 does anybody has problems with conboy and portrait/landscape mode recognition? Oct 14 20:59:50 lardman, whats the problem, sorry butting in late Oct 14 21:00:02 WANT IPTABLES Oct 14 21:00:05 hfc? Oct 14 21:00:14 JamieBennett: if I open a dialog I lose UI functionalityu Oct 14 21:00:18 lardman, is this still the slow processing of a frame Oct 14 21:00:27 aSIMULAter, high fructose corn syrup. Oct 14 21:00:31 ok Oct 14 21:00:34 That evil artificial stuff that'll give you diabetes. Oct 14 21:00:36 yeah, nice and healthy Oct 14 21:00:39 :P Oct 14 21:00:42 lcuk: no, that's sorted, onto more esoteric stuff now Oct 14 21:00:48 whats the call to open the dialogue? Oct 14 21:00:52 oooer Oct 14 21:00:55 Mmmm, sweet sweet subsidized syrup from coooorrrnnnn Oct 14 21:01:02 nom nom Oct 14 21:01:07 response = gtk_dialog_run(GTK_DIALOG(dialog)); Oct 14 21:01:07 karo syrup glug glug Oct 14 21:01:10 so it blocks Oct 14 21:01:11 ouch, bad spelling there Oct 14 21:01:19 lardman ^ Oct 14 21:01:27 good nite maemonians Oct 14 21:01:33 I moved it out of a GStreamer bus callback into a g_idle callback, but only marginally better Oct 14 21:02:20 night asimULAt Oct 14 21:02:26 night aSIMULAter even Oct 14 21:03:04 anyway, I think user interaction is overrated, they can bloodywell have the browser open the page! ;) Oct 14 21:03:11 Is the code online lardman? Oct 14 21:03:34 sure Oct 14 21:04:21 Gentlemen, could somebody help me with DBus? Oct 14 21:04:26 larman: point me in the right direction. Damn, the longer I stay up looking at problems the more I pay for £7 a pint larger! Oct 14 21:04:43 I need to figure out how to make my app block waiting for a certain dbus message Oct 14 21:04:48 JamieBennett: getting there.... Oct 14 21:04:50 is it possible to run two instances of dnsmasq at the same time, on different interfaces? Oct 14 21:05:29 hmm, Garage suffering again, someone reboot the 770! Oct 14 21:05:40 I'm having no luck: second dnsmasq tries to bind to 127.0.0.1 and fails Oct 14 21:05:54 * lcuk goes watching transformers 2 Oct 14 21:06:28 hm, -I lo helps Oct 14 21:06:29 lcuk: is it out on DVD yet? Oct 14 21:06:32 hmm.. that /opt/ hack just somehow reminds me of 770 /var/lib/install/ Oct 14 21:06:35 dunno Oct 14 21:06:40 lcuk: Its not a bad film! Oct 14 21:06:47 ive gotta find liqremote first tho Oct 14 21:06:47 ~lart "unable to connect to IM account mes" Oct 14 21:06:47 * infobot keeps mailing "unable to connect to IM account mes" free America Online CDs until he drowns Oct 14 21:06:48 now all I need is iptables to set up NAT Oct 14 21:07:18 JamieBennett: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode Oct 14 21:07:22 web.c, last fn Oct 14 21:07:36 may take you an hour or two to load the page mind you Oct 14 21:08:50 the code chain starts at handle_barcode_data() in web.c, which is called by the bus callback bus_callback() in camera.c Oct 14 21:09:02 lardman, .tar.gz it up without the .svn stuff Oct 14 21:09:21 sure, hang on a tick Oct 14 21:09:24 :D Oct 14 21:09:41 garage needs to be sent to the meta-garage Oct 14 21:09:56 :) Oct 14 21:10:02 what was again that neat command to find out to which package a file on the system belongs to? Oct 14 21:10:07 dpkg -S Oct 14 21:10:16 this time i'll write it down, thanks Oct 14 21:10:16 maemo openssh doesn't support socks proxy emulation? Oct 14 21:10:27 andre__, dpkg -S Oct 14 21:10:38 http://pastie.org/655186 here's that code again, now with the XOverlay stuf in a callback done by the gstreamer bus as soon as the decodebin2 is ready. Now I actually get the first frame to show up, but it's in its own window and it doesn't update. Any clues why? I'm still getting two errors: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id: assertion `GST_IS_X_OVERLAY (overlay)' failed and GLIB WARNING ** hd-task-navigator - ... Oct 14 21:10:44 ... XGetClassHint(1200004): failed Oct 14 21:11:08 I want it to be inside the video_output drawingarea. which is what I'm passing to the callback... Oct 14 21:11:25 lardman: wow, the hotel wifi is slow but getting that page is zzzzzzzzzzzz Oct 14 21:11:27 JamieBennett: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/maemo-barcode.tar.gz Oct 14 21:11:42 JamieBennett: yeah, had Garage problems all day Oct 14 21:12:07 that tarball has the fremantle object code in it too Oct 14 21:12:17 oh no, silly me forgot the socks port number Oct 14 21:12:20 lcuk: you after that oo? Oct 14 21:12:26 s/oo/too Oct 14 21:12:29 oo! Oct 14 21:12:41 wazd, ping? Oct 14 21:12:41 * mgedmin900 has internet connection sharing, of sorts Oct 14 21:12:47 lardman: offending code? (filename) Oct 14 21:12:56 web.c and camera.c Oct 14 21:13:17 We need Hildon Desktop to do a couple more layers for parallax. Oct 14 21:13:22 gtk+ api.* Oct 14 21:13:32 yeah thanks lardman - i raised the edge barcode algo i played with last year and turned it into a bullseye detector Oct 14 21:13:38 * JamieBennett looks Oct 14 21:13:42 ive been testing on source images directly after loading Oct 14 21:14:09 i will use bullseyes to orient the picture i think - and ill try doing it live Oct 14 21:14:21 using the webcam as you suggested Oct 14 21:14:23 inverted AR Oct 14 21:14:30 move devices and show a window through Oct 14 21:14:36 lcuk: am thinking of packaging the barcode detection bit (for e.g. use with open camera app_ Oct 14 21:14:37 ) Oct 14 21:14:45 :) Oct 14 21:15:03 well let me know how you get on, am happy to help, time allowing Oct 14 21:15:06 ill talk to you properly after transformers Oct 14 21:15:09 tracy is waiting lol Oct 14 21:15:14 * lcuk nods Oct 14 21:15:16 lol, will be asleep - tomorrow Oct 14 21:15:22 enjoy!] Oct 14 21:15:28 will see if this works then turn it into a generic opening for * detection Oct 14 21:15:31 gnite Oct 14 21:15:35 * lardman apologies for random symbols Oct 14 21:15:47 lardman: so the dialog box in web.c doesn't allow interaction? Oct 14 21:16:16 no, it works fine, just after it's shown nothing works in the ui except for now the X in the top right corner Oct 14 21:17:14 when I called directly from the bus callback (in camera.c) even that didn't work Oct 14 21:17:39 no clue what's up, but am tempted to just open the URL and not bother asking ;) Oct 14 21:17:47 ali1234: where you there? Oct 14 21:17:52 ali1234: in my talk i mean Oct 14 21:18:28 argh what kind of place has no power points in the bar, back to the hotel room Oct 14 21:19:05 hmm, at least it will save you beer money ;) Oct 14 21:21:42 zeenix: one of the slides near the start? Oct 14 21:22:22 http://www.newsweek.com/id/216788/output/print Oct 14 21:22:38 For anyone who still thought app stores work Oct 14 21:24:42 Apple's sure rolling in dough, though. ;) Oct 14 21:25:05 rst, i can't tell you how right that article is. Oct 14 21:25:25 i wish i could say everything I want to about it, but ndas... Oct 14 21:25:29 zerojayN900, see my comment on Packages? Oct 14 21:25:38 not yet. Oct 14 21:25:48 s/the N900/Maemo/ Oct 14 21:26:02 zeenix: yes, sorry, i was at the talk :) Oct 14 21:26:03 oh definitely. Oct 14 21:26:32 the site name needs to change, no doubt. Oct 14 21:26:32 "lured by its generous revenue-sharing deal" Oct 14 21:26:44 lol Oct 14 21:26:53 bbs Oct 14 21:27:28 zerojay: I knew it even before Apple rolled out its app store Oct 14 21:29:27 GeneralAntilles: pong Oct 14 21:29:36 wazd, parallax backgrounds are what we need. Oct 14 21:29:46 app stores don't work. what I don't understand is why people that heavily criticisized handago, pilotgear, and rest of these hailed the apple store. Oct 14 21:29:54 rdf? Oct 14 21:30:18 GeneralAntilles: sure :D Oct 14 21:31:59 javis: Because they are hopeless macnuts? Oct 14 21:35:31 RST38h: sometimes I wish you were wrong. Read this pearl: "I used to have a lot of faith in Apple's good will and have been a long-time Mac head, but after this experience, I'll still buy Macs, but I will NEVER do any other kinds of business with them again." Oct 14 21:36:18 Anybody got a nice recording study they could get a clip of the N900 keyboard schnict in? :P Oct 14 21:36:32 javis: Some people just like anal penetration. Oct 14 21:36:45 javis: And come for it again and again. Oct 14 21:37:42 I will buy Macs but I'll never power'em up again! Oct 14 21:37:46 if I had an n900 I could do it Oct 14 21:37:57 i dont have my own studio but some friends do haha Oct 14 21:40:15 Gen, i'll make the switch next version. Oct 14 21:41:15 good evening Oct 14 21:43:48 OK, picture this for the startup animation (stealing timeless and lcuk's ideas) Oct 14 21:44:16 is there a way to cat my camera on the n800? Oct 14 21:44:36 or use mplayer to watch it? Oct 14 21:44:38 The "maemo" in http://maemo.org fades in then short pause and then the .org pops in with the N900 schnict. Oct 14 21:45:30 genewitch1: you know how to use mplayer to play v4l2 devices? Oct 14 21:45:38 (I don't know if that's all that's required) Oct 14 21:46:26 mplayer -cache 128 -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:outfmt=i420 -vc rawi420 tv:// Oct 14 21:46:30 something like that? Oct 14 21:47:04 hey, has anyone experienced problems with 'osso_abook_contact_model_get_default' ? Oct 14 21:47:33 genewitch1: I guess you'll actually need the camera device in there: /dev/video0 Oct 14 21:47:49 GeneralAntilles: I think the startup animation should be whatever we want... selectable ;) Oct 14 21:48:01 Xisdibik, well, of course, but this is for my http://maemo.org one. ;) Oct 14 21:48:02 mplayer -cache 128 -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:outfmt=uyvy:device=/dev/video0 -vc rawuyvy tv:// Oct 14 21:48:02 "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" when accessing in C code, and the same when accessing through evolution.ebook in python Oct 14 21:48:05 like that? Oct 14 21:48:25 maybe, no idea really Oct 14 21:48:36 tho I think I saw a thread about it on TMO Oct 14 21:48:37 GeneralAntilles: oh my bad. :) then thats fine Oct 14 21:49:03 wow, that worked Oct 14 21:49:23 Xisdibik: He's just saying that to keep you happy. Really, he wants a maemo.org animation, pre-installed, that you cannot remove Oct 14 21:49:24 ;) Oct 14 21:49:27 wow it refreshes really fast like that Oct 14 21:49:38 OK, this is the final for this particular version, I think: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup3.mov Oct 14 21:49:53 * Xisdibik turns green with anger >:O Oct 14 21:49:59 * mgedmin900 demands iptables now Oct 14 21:50:58 what OS do you guys run on your non Nokia devices Oct 14 21:50:58 GeneralAntilles: The webpage at http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup3.mov might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. Oct 14 21:51:11 Works here. Oct 14 21:51:21 worked here too Oct 14 21:51:22 Xisdibik, ubuntu Oct 14 21:51:40 Xisdibik: MS-DOS Oct 14 21:51:42 i have three ubuntu machines and 2 windows 7 retail machines as of right now Oct 14 21:52:01 there's some vista and xp x64 floating around in the apartment as well, though Oct 14 21:52:05 qwerty12_N810, lol Oct 14 21:52:22 genewitch1, Windows 7 retail.. hmm its not out yet :P Oct 14 21:52:41 Xisdibik: signature edition is Oct 14 21:52:44 and that's what i ahve Oct 14 21:52:45 have* Oct 14 21:52:49 signature edition? Oct 14 21:52:55 yeah Oct 14 21:52:59 never heard of it Oct 14 21:53:00 lol Oct 14 21:53:21 well steve ballmer wanted people to host windows 7 house parties Oct 14 21:53:43 lol Oct 14 21:53:49 sounds fishy Oct 14 21:53:52 and if you got to be a host they'd send you a copy of windows 7 early so you could actually have it all set up for the party which is supposed to occur from oct 22nd - 28th Oct 14 21:53:57 and yes it is out just for volume license people ;) Oct 14 21:53:58 ...where everyone threw chairs on each other? Oct 14 21:54:00 that video is awesome, GeneralAntilles Oct 14 21:54:12 Thanks! Oct 14 21:54:23 Xisdibik: http://techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/microsoft_plans_thousands_of_neighborhood_parties_for_windows_7.html Oct 14 21:54:33 i assure you i own a legal copy of windows 7 Oct 14 21:54:47 i believe you Oct 14 21:54:55 Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600] <-- Oct 14 21:55:05 hm, and how I suppose to fix 'Couldn't initialize osso context' Oct 14 21:55:23 genewitch1: where did u go to copy paste that :) Oct 14 21:55:58 Google Images, and it was manual OCR Oct 14 21:57:02 syncML... can I sync to a network server Oct 14 21:57:04 Xisdibik: cmd prompt Oct 14 21:57:07 "ver" Oct 14 21:57:37 ver >> winver.txt technically. cause i'm too lazy to use menus in cmd prompt mode Oct 14 21:58:30 Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600] Oct 14 21:58:31 same as me Oct 14 21:58:32 ;) Oct 14 21:58:51 only difference is mine is Oct 14 21:58:54 Windows 7 Enterprise Oct 14 21:59:29 that's the vlk one? Oct 14 21:59:39 vlm, whatever Oct 14 21:59:52 this is ultimate, not that there's any difference between our versions Oct 14 22:00:25 Xisdibik: windows 8 was already released to msdnaa for example. Oct 14 22:00:29 er... 7. Oct 14 22:01:16 clipless pedals = win Oct 14 22:01:26 yea theres no difference Oct 14 22:01:28 except Oct 14 22:01:46 on your start menu, you have a "games" menu standard, in enterprise, its not there but can be added Oct 14 22:01:46 whoa Oct 14 22:02:03 apt-get install segfaulted Oct 14 22:02:40 that's no good Oct 14 22:02:48 mgedmin900: What abuse are you subjecting that poor N900 to? Oct 14 22:03:28 GeneralAntilles: btw, got the vid working, looks cool Oct 14 22:04:07 if you guys ever get bored run this as root mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=800:h=480:fps=15:format=rgb32 -vc decimate,hqdn3d /dev/mmcblk0 Oct 14 22:04:10 ~ $ sudo apt-get install maemo-pc-connectivity Oct 14 22:04:11 (or 1) Oct 14 22:04:18 Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) Oct 14 22:04:24 and segfault Oct 14 22:04:34 mgedmin900: that's not a official package is it? Oct 14 22:04:37 an* Oct 14 22:04:54 extras Oct 14 22:04:59 ah Oct 14 22:05:06 i have it on mine but never use it Oct 14 22:05:07 -devel, though, right? ;) Oct 14 22:05:08 this happens right after the Oct 14 22:05:10 Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Oct 14 22:05:26 seems early for the pkg itself Oct 14 22:05:33 This is Nokia. :P Oct 14 22:05:37 you have enough free space on the log dir? Oct 14 22:05:40 it's not even unpacked yet Oct 14 22:05:40 mgedmin, reboot Oct 14 22:05:54 Oh, OK, go back to my early mental image. Oct 14 22:06:06 Now center up the "maemo" part of http://maemo.org. Oct 14 22:06:06 smallest that I have is 168kb in /tmp Oct 14 22:06:26 As the "schnict" sound plays that slides to the left and the .org pops in. Oct 14 22:06:39 sorry not tmp, /var/run Oct 14 22:06:54 mgedmin is that different than the /var partition? Oct 14 22:06:57 df -h Oct 14 22:07:02 tmpfs Oct 14 22:07:09 /var is where the logs are kept Oct 14 22:07:13 13 megs free on roor Oct 14 22:07:18 *root Oct 14 22:07:20 mgedmin, wanna hear my prognosis? Oct 14 22:07:27 mgedmin, broken chroot, reflash Oct 14 22:07:31 tell me, doctor Oct 14 22:07:34 haha Oct 14 22:07:37 what chroot? Oct 14 22:07:52 dunno Oct 14 22:07:53 mgedmin out of curiosity, what country/locale are you in? Oct 14 22:08:12 currently? sweden Oct 14 22:08:17 normally, lithuania Oct 14 22:08:31 mgedmin i was hoping you'd say US so i can go get an n900 Oct 14 22:08:35 but noooooo Oct 14 22:08:47 pry it from his cold dead hands? Oct 14 22:09:03 warm still-quivering hands more likely Oct 14 22:09:03 no, i don't know when/if they're getting released in the states Oct 14 22:09:09 nobody would wait for the body to get cold Oct 14 22:09:19 mgedmin: depends on the elimination method Oct 14 22:09:19 from what i heard they're very expensive and people already balked at the measly $400 for the iphone Oct 14 22:09:31 * javispedro watches how macheads are born. Oct 14 22:09:44 amazon said they were expecting october 26th or something Oct 14 22:09:51 I also heard rumours that that was later postponed Oct 14 22:09:58 so, assume early november or something Oct 14 22:09:59 who's the provider for cell service? Oct 14 22:10:05 or is it "whoever you want"? Oct 14 22:10:08 yep Oct 14 22:10:11 Any GSM carrier Oct 14 22:10:12 put a sim card in, be happy Oct 14 22:10:15 javis: they are potty-trained to only do it into a designer toilet bowl? Oct 14 22:10:19 that's pretty cooooool Oct 14 22:10:19 or use wifi Oct 14 22:10:23 Though they only have frequencies for T-Mobile 3G. :\ Oct 14 22:10:28 boff that i have an n800 for wardriving Oct 14 22:10:33 shame you can't do bluetooth tethering to your other phone Oct 14 22:10:43 like you could with a n8x0 Oct 14 22:10:43 mgedmin, isn't it covered in the wiki? Oct 14 22:10:49 is it? Oct 14 22:10:58 mgedmin, the BlueZ guy did a presentation on adding unsupported profiles. Oct 14 22:11:05 General: He wants client, not server Oct 14 22:11:11 RST38h, yes, I know. Oct 14 22:11:13 I just discovered http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html which allows everything, it seems Oct 14 22:11:23 i.e. he wants the tablet use his 3g phone not vice versa Oct 14 22:11:26 apt-get installing that one got me my apt segfault :( Oct 14 22:11:32 RST38h, yes, I know. Oct 14 22:11:33 actually, both :) Oct 14 22:11:53 well, I want my laptop use my n900 as a network gateway Oct 14 22:12:00 which I currently have with a hacky usbnet + ssh proxy config Oct 14 22:12:06 oh it says $650 in the US Oct 14 22:12:15 In practice it's more like $580. Oct 14 22:12:15 and it also says it's on sale 27 sept... Oct 14 22:12:18 * RST38h sighs and goes to bed. Gonna catch someone from Nokia tomorrow and ask them how they block the application waiting for a DBus message Oct 14 22:12:19 so it does Oct 14 22:12:28 GeneralAntilles: i had heard closer to $750 Oct 14 22:12:35 but that was a couple of months ago Oct 14 22:12:42 genewitch: the true number is $666 Oct 14 22:12:46 you lucky bastards, it's going to be 600 EUR + VAT on this side of the pond Oct 14 22:12:49 genewitch1, that was based on the price in Euros. Oct 14 22:12:54 genewitch: And the Satan speaks Finnish, by the way Oct 14 22:13:17 The European price dropped and European prices never compare directly to US prices. Oct 14 22:13:18 video out? Oct 14 22:13:21 woooooooooo Oct 14 22:13:21 Composite. Oct 14 22:13:24 it's 487 euros incl. taxes here Oct 14 22:13:27 Either way, I'd still say that price is a bit much. $450 is the ceiling for me. (I have no idea why, however) Oct 14 22:13:29 mgedmin: And they get arrow keys, don't they? Oct 14 22:13:35 650 for a cellphone is unheard of in the USA though Oct 14 22:13:37 mgedmin: Can't you buy one from the US? Oct 14 22:13:47 proberts_, no warranty support, then. Oct 14 22:13:56 didn't the iphone cost around 700 usd unlocked? Oct 14 22:13:59 genewitch: Please check prices on some latest HTC phones in the US Oct 14 22:14:03 except that nobody sold them unlocked initially Oct 14 22:14:10 genewitch: you only need to type www.froogle.com into the browser Oct 14 22:14:27 night. Oct 14 22:14:58 RST38h: night Oct 14 22:15:15 HTC phones are kinda crappy though Oct 14 22:15:36 MoaBird: If street price is $600, you might be able to pick an N900 up from a T-Mobile authorized reseller for $400-$450 with a contract Oct 14 22:15:39 the screens are really tiny and they're very fragile. my roommate has one, he's had to get it replaced twice Oct 14 22:16:00 MoaBird, there's really no such thing as an "authorized reseller" here. Oct 14 22:16:02 night RST38h Oct 14 22:16:16 At least not one offering anything much different from the carrier subsidies. Oct 14 22:16:20 anyone have an example of the libs required to compile with oss-abook? Oct 14 22:16:28 s/oss/osso Oct 14 22:17:02 Here T-Mobile is the only company that lets resellers apply contract subsidies to any phone they sell (as long as it's an authorized reseller) Oct 14 22:18:16 expected arrival date november 5th, 2009, $579 Oct 14 22:18:24 oh sorry, $579.99 Oct 14 22:18:51 proberts_: I loathe contracts. What's more, I'm not sure I even want a phone. That said, if there's nothing else on the market after a while, I may bite the bullet anyhow. Mostly, I don't want a closed system, which seems to be all the rage these days. Oct 14 22:18:54 it's saying t-mobile, which isn't a reliable carrier where i am. i'd rather have verizon. Oct 14 22:19:14 Verizon is CDMA Oct 14 22:19:35 mgedmin does the n900 still have the internet call feature with SIP? Oct 14 22:19:42 MoaBird: If you want something cheaper with an open OS, and a really nice phone, you could try a Motorola A1200 Oct 14 22:19:54 If not, i may as well not bother, i'd only use SIP anyhow Oct 14 22:20:09 it's all i use now, at least Oct 14 22:20:16 proberts_: Oh? What's that and what does it run? Oct 14 22:20:27 gene: you can only have t-mobile if you want 3g Oct 14 22:20:27 genewitch1, yes. Oct 14 22:20:28 Verizon would make Nokia stick their BREW UI on top of Maemo. Oct 14 22:20:40 genewitch1, you can select SIP or Cellular from the dialer. Oct 14 22:20:53 MoaBird: It's a really cool (though a bit old) Motorola touch-screen phone that runs Linux (EZX). Oct 14 22:21:05 GeneralAntilles: wow, that is awesome. and it would go through the cellular internet then? Oct 14 22:21:14 Or WiFi, yeah. Oct 14 22:21:45 SpeedEvil: oh, GSM is slow, i take it? Oct 14 22:21:56 i thought the n900 was supposed to be 4G :-( Oct 14 22:22:00 genewitch1: yes - ~8Kbytes/s Oct 14 22:22:21 that's nonsense. i guess i gotta see if t-mobile is any better these days. Oct 14 22:22:22 genewitch1: It has lots of radio bands - just only one 3G one that works in the US - and that's allocated to t-mobile Oct 14 22:22:49 gsm edge is 26000 bytes/sec Oct 14 22:22:54 proberts_: Hmmmm, I've never really heard of it. I'll give it a look and see if it's worth my while, thanks. :) Oct 14 22:22:56 genewitch1, T-Mobile is apparently doing massive insane 3G rollouts. Oct 14 22:22:57 oh - forgot about edge Oct 14 22:22:59 i wonder if there's a refresh "n910" planned for more USA based things Oct 14 22:23:14 or atleast 26000 bytes/s is what I get Oct 14 22:23:23 26 megabit, you mean? Oct 14 22:23:32 MoaBird: Instructions for getting a toolchain is on the libxze2.sourceforge.net wiki ... you can also get QT headers and stuff to build apps (or grab my low-level hacked up API from the wiki page) Oct 14 22:23:41 i thought edge was slowsauce Oct 14 22:23:48 It's OK. Oct 14 22:23:54 150kbps? Oct 14 22:23:56 Not great, but reasonable for IM and light browsing. Oct 14 22:24:00 I get about 10-15KB/sec Oct 14 22:24:10 that's not too bad Oct 14 22:24:15 genewitch1: What exactly would the n910 offer over the n900? Oct 14 22:24:23 does osso-addressbook-1.0.pc exist for any of you chaps? Oct 14 22:24:24 MoaBird: more US carriers Oct 14 22:24:43 there's an n910 already? Oct 14 22:24:43 The exact n900+ isn't released as to what details it will have Oct 14 22:24:43 MoaBird: They're pretty cheap now as well... there were 3 other phones based on EZX 2 IIRC - ROKR E2, A910, and (E6?) Oct 14 22:25:04 Other than capacitive screen, and some sort of DRM options. Oct 14 22:25:09 genewitch1: So it's basically just a rebranding or would it offer additional features? Oct 14 22:25:34 SpeedEvil: and Qt? Oct 14 22:25:38 proberts_: I'll give it a look, thanks. Funny that I've never come across it before. Oct 14 22:25:40 luke-jr: that too Oct 14 22:25:48 MoaBird: it doesn't exist. the features i would want to see is "can be used on verizon's network with 3g+ speeds" Oct 14 22:26:05 MoaBird, it doesn't exist. Oct 14 22:26:11 MoaBird, the only announced model is the N900. Oct 14 22:26:19 MoaBird: http://wiki.openezx.org/Main_Page Oct 14 22:26:24 MoaBird, anything about an N900+ is essentially pure speculation at this point. Oct 14 22:26:27 And that's not even shipping yet. Oct 14 22:27:00 are N900s all really locked to a single carrier Oct 14 22:27:02 ? Oct 14 22:27:10 The _only_ thing we know for sure is that Maemo 6 will support OMAP3, WVGA, and capacitive. Oct 14 22:27:13 luke-jr, um? Oct 14 22:27:13 it's just my opinion, but I sort of doubt if Nokia is really interested in pushing N900 or any variant of it so aggressively in US. the operators don't like it, and they have powerful ways to limit invention on the market. Oct 14 22:27:16 luke-jr, no? Oct 14 22:27:20 luke-jr, wtf? Oct 14 22:27:21 genewitch1: Good luck. If it comes to expanding features, I think it''ll only be done by bypassing existing networks, likely via wireless or someting similar. Oct 14 22:27:21 luke-jr, no. Oct 14 22:27:30 something* Oct 14 22:27:42 nokia.co.uk - Tentative delivery date: November 2009. Oct 14 22:27:52 MoaBird: they tried that with the n810 with the clearwire stuff in it, but you can't get that anywhere useful in the US Oct 14 22:27:53 lardman, me likey pluthon very much so Oct 14 22:27:54 hmm - looks like I can't syncML then Oct 14 22:28:00 like, boston i think is the prime place to get it Oct 14 22:28:20 crashanddie_: :) Oct 14 22:28:38 GeneralAntilles: ShadowJK: then why is genewitch1 talking like it won't work on Verizon? Oct 14 22:28:55 luke-jr, um, because Verizon is CDMA? Oct 14 22:29:00 and CDMA devices don't take SIM cards. Oct 14 22:29:09 it should be no secret to anyone with a bit of brains that nokia has future devices in relatively mature phases of design cycle already. but that's just because design cycles are *long* Oct 14 22:29:09 and N900 doesn't do CDMA either :) Oct 14 22:29:11 they are? I thought only Sprint was CDMA. Oct 14 22:29:13 nevermind Oct 14 22:29:32 genewitch1: Sadly. I wish the US would be a bit more like the EU when it come to carrier regulation, but that's a pipe dream in the short run. :( Oct 14 22:29:41 CDMA is a dying breed. at least I hope so. Oct 14 22:29:49 Sprint is CDMA, yes. Oct 14 22:29:59 kirma: iirc, 3G is CDMA Oct 14 22:30:06 3G is WCDMA Oct 14 22:30:24 * solarion has a sprint phone, but only until he can afford something better Oct 14 22:30:29 eh, that's only one letter different. :) Oct 14 22:30:42 25% is a solid C (80% is a B!) Oct 14 22:30:42 One letter is a lot. Oct 14 22:31:20 * solarion heads out Oct 14 22:31:29 * GAN900 needs to put more books on here. Oct 14 22:32:02 strictly speaking, CDMA is just a channel access method that doesn't specify any specific cellular technology, although many people think so. but anyway, holding up CDMA networks becomes more and more pointless when rest of the world invests on using and developing 3GPP technologies. Oct 14 22:32:02 ha! it works :) no segmentation fault anymore Oct 14 22:32:09 GAN900: www.baen.com/library/ ? Oct 14 22:32:19 ~praise no segfaults Oct 14 22:32:19 * javispedro thinks his NIT's blue led hasn't flashed for too much. Oct 14 22:32:20 All hail no segfaults! Oct 14 22:32:32 * lardman is jealous Oct 14 22:32:33 either modest crashed or slow night. Oct 14 22:33:26 lardman, do you use it? Oct 14 22:33:29 SpeedEvil, yeah, probably will. Been through most of their good stuff, though. Oct 14 22:33:52 crashanddie_: no Oct 14 22:34:00 Hey everyone, I am a longtime user of the n770 and have been planning on upgrading for a bit now. The n900 seems perfect but with maemo 6 coming soon I am worried that it will be left behind and not have all the necessary (read: cool) apps ported to it. Oct 14 22:34:01 lardman, what do you use then? Oct 14 22:34:07 GAN900: ah. They have actual pay-for stuff to of course :) Oct 14 22:34:16 JackBeSlow, if you were a long time user you'd know it's "770", not "n770" Oct 14 22:34:19 anybody use maemo-pc-connectivity? Oct 14 22:34:36 bah, yeah. I always call it the n770 by mistake. Oct 14 22:34:50 JackBeSlow, the n900 is a phone, hence, a lot more potential in the long run for Nokia to make money (Ovi, etc) Oct 14 22:34:56 SpeedEvil, yeah, been through most of that, too. ;) Oct 14 22:34:57 JackBeSlow, I doubt the n900 will be ditched ASAP Oct 14 22:34:59 crashanddie_: C Oct 14 22:35:09 JackBeSlow, define "soon". Oct 14 22:35:09 lardman, you don't use python? Oct 14 22:35:20 I've dabbled Oct 14 22:35:20 GeneralAntilles, within two decades :P Oct 14 22:35:25 timeless: oh, my server did reboot, it just ...claims to have gone 4min41s from syslog exit to start :D Oct 14 22:35:29 GeneralAntilles, if Nokia survives, that is Oct 14 22:35:43 jackbeslow: only confirmed difference is that maemo 6 is going to support multitouch, and probably there are going to be devices that have multitouch. it seems that otherwise technologies are so close to each other that it's just a matter of nokia's level of interest if it brings maemo 6 to N900. but anyway, it's not known in either way. Oct 14 22:35:46 The n1000 will be the salvation of nokia. Oct 14 22:35:47 Jaffa, do you use pluthon? Oct 14 22:35:48 Well I mean I have gotten pretty good life from my 770, and I still use it daily. I would hope that the n900 remains usable for as long. Oct 14 22:36:05 It has a mimetic alloy body, and a covering that makes it indistinguishable from other mobile phones. Oct 14 22:36:05 For one thing the HE's were a godsend. Oct 14 22:36:06 JackBeSlow, any device remains usable as long as you're willing to put up with it Oct 14 22:36:09 i just talked to tmobile on the phone Oct 14 22:36:14 genewitch1: n900 has SIP supported on the same level as Skype or GSM voice calls; I've never tried it Oct 14 22:36:21 genewitch1, is that a pleonasm? Oct 14 22:36:34 skype is a bit dodgy on the n900 Oct 14 22:36:38 sound quality is shit Oct 14 22:36:43 they said they will never carry the n900, but do support it with sim for $55 a month plus tax Oct 14 22:36:52 well, no, sound quality, but same problem as with phone: mic cutoff is way too flimsy Oct 14 22:36:57 i don't want skype, i have actual SIP Oct 14 22:37:09 That is unfortunate but I would expect that to clear up fairly quickly being that it is a prominent feature. Oct 14 22:37:14 jackbeslow: except the support (not necessarily mandatory on devices, I'd guess?), the basic specifications of maemo 6 hardware platforms match what N900 has one to one. Oct 14 22:37:27 JackBeSlow, we also have Mer these days. Oct 14 22:37:28 Any word on making video calls? Via skype or anything else? Oct 14 22:37:29 ~mer Oct 14 22:37:30 mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Oct 14 22:37:34 Which is kind of like an HE that doesn't suck. Oct 14 22:37:41 I don't really know much about Mer. Oct 14 22:37:47 JackBeSlow, hence the links Oct 14 22:37:53 JackBeSlow, none yet Oct 14 22:37:58 Actually I don't know anything. Following links now Oct 14 22:37:59 it's like maemo without the ease of use Oct 14 22:38:04 JackBeSlow, either way, the N900 is in a whole different universe compared to the N900 user-experience wise. Oct 14 22:38:12 hah, I love the conflicting opinions. Oct 14 22:38:13 genewitch1, don't troll, please. Oct 14 22:38:24 JackBeSlow, it's Maemo rebased on a sane platform. Oct 14 22:38:29 GeneralAntilles: i wasn't trying to. sorry Oct 14 22:38:48 What do you mean by a "sane platform" Oct 14 22:38:52 genewitch1, if we're talking about Maemo 6, we're talking about the 10-18 months timeframe. Oct 14 22:38:53 well f me, that actually worked, will wonders never cease Oct 14 22:38:53 JackBeSlow, we asked the skype representative at the summit, he said "Video calls are not supported, and there is no word with regards to its development. It's up to Nokia" Oct 14 22:39:03 yeaaaaaaaah. Oct 14 22:39:03 genewitch1, which is plenty of time for Mer to have the day-to-day usability stuff in shape. Oct 14 22:39:15 JackBeSlow, Ubuntu, basically. Oct 14 22:39:16 That is sorta lame considering the fact that it has a front facing camera Oct 14 22:39:23 not Skype employees cursing Linux for their video APIs at all. Oct 14 22:39:27 ah Oct 14 22:39:27 JackBeSlow, as opposed to Maemo's bastardization of Debian. Oct 14 22:39:30 Unknown package 'pyside-core' Oct 14 22:39:31 weird Oct 14 22:39:36 crashanddie_: it wouldn't be hard to hack together a solution specifically for nokia n8-900 users Oct 14 22:39:36 anyone know where I can fetch that? Oct 14 22:40:07 jackbeslow: I think a major decision factor for nokia would be if they want all the usability to exist in both traditional touchscreen and multitouch varieties, or if they're moving strongly to multitouch requirement. if they do, N900 will turn out to be a bit disappointing transitional model. well, I'm getting it anyway... Oct 14 22:40:10 How is mer as far as compatability with chinook and below apps? Oct 14 22:40:13 genewitch1, sorry? Oct 14 22:40:19 or is it totally different. Oct 14 22:40:41 JackBeSlow, they'd need to be recompiled. Oct 14 22:40:45 crashanddie_: well it'd be easier on the n900 cause it's fast enough to do compression, video, and voice Oct 14 22:40:56 JackBeSlow, but the goal is to stay reasonably compatible with more recent stuff. Oct 14 22:40:57 genewitch1, wtf are you talking about? Oct 14 22:41:02 genewitch1, you don't have an n900, right? Oct 14 22:41:20 Are there any handy links to Mer repos so I can see what hsa been recompiled so far? Oct 14 22:41:27 right, i have an n800 Oct 14 22:41:27 because if you did, you'd know Skype in Maemo 5 doesn't exist as a standalone application. It's completely integrated in the UI, completely hidden Oct 14 22:41:28 JackBeSlow, anyway, my personal recommendation for the N900 is Buy! Buy! Buy! ;) Oct 14 22:41:43 crashanddie_: i wasn't talking about skype i was talking about a video call in general Oct 14 22:41:47 the only thing you see is the skype icon when you've added the skype details to a contact Oct 14 22:41:54 Oh I think I will, I just am praying that I won't be regretting it a year from now. Oct 14 22:42:42 genewitch1, if it is "not that hard", with all the ego-driven, talented coders we have hanging around and basically doing nothing, do you really think we still wouldn't have a decent app? Oct 14 22:42:55 Will anything like Mer, or Mer be coming to the n900? Oct 14 22:42:57 oh, and for the record, I'm not ego-driven, I'm ego-managed Oct 14 22:43:13 JackBeSlow, Mer is already on the N900. ;) Oct 14 22:43:21 hah, figures :) Oct 14 22:43:27 Ok, a lot less worried then. Oct 14 22:44:03 Don't want it to be like the Zaurus where everyone moved on to Angstrom and I got left behind with my older device. Oct 14 22:44:19 so far, every new maemo device was so much better than the previous one, that buying it was a no-brainer to me Oct 14 22:44:30 I wonder what I'll do when I run out of money... Oct 14 22:44:46 Some of us are not so financially blessed. Oct 14 22:45:02 ten years of careful hoarding... Oct 14 22:45:07 I am a student working his way through college. Oct 14 22:45:20 free university education rules Oct 14 22:45:21 But a little splurging every once in a while feels good. Oct 14 22:46:00 mgedmin_: where are you from? Oct 14 22:46:03 * mgedmin_ doesn't understand: he built a proxytunnel deb this morning, and it's still *not* available in extras-devel Oct 14 22:46:06 Lithuania Oct 14 22:46:37 Now that is a country I know absolutely nothing about. lol Oct 14 22:46:50 south of Finland, east of Denmark, 10 years behind each of those developmentally Oct 14 22:47:08 hah, nice. Oct 14 22:47:46 (being shackled by the soviets for 50 years didn't exactly help) Oct 14 22:48:09 So has most of the development from the people in this channel moved from the normal maemo releases to Mer? Oct 14 22:48:42 Because there are a thousand apps I want ported to the n900 lol. And I don't have the skill to port most of them. Oct 14 22:48:57 anyone mind helping me get pluthon working? Oct 14 22:49:09 JackBeSlow: any particular apps? Oct 14 22:49:37 I'm gonna need FuelPad in a couple of weeks Oct 14 22:49:43 This is probably a FAQ. What is the likelyhood of being able to run Android stuff? Oct 14 22:49:52 At some point in the future Oct 14 22:50:07 mgedmin_: I'm sort of convinced that Maemo-based devices are going to become so much more prevalent on the nokia product catalog that they're not going to be each worth buying. it's an interesting question if next after N900 is going to be one, but at least I'm expecting the jump not to be very big in the same sense of processing power... Oct 14 22:50:11 SpeedEvil: somebody *has* managed to run Android on N810 at some point in the past, IIRC Oct 14 22:50:21 don't know how practical such an arrangement will ever be Oct 14 22:50:30 so I'd say 50%: either it will happen or not Oct 14 22:50:59 kirma: the nokia marketing folks are very consistent: they had a 5-step plan, and n900 is step 4 of 5 Oct 14 22:51:05 they say it's not ready for the mass market yet Oct 14 22:51:07 SpeedEvil: wasn't Android ported by some freaks to earlier tablets already? :) Oct 14 22:51:36 kirma: I was more meaning in a user friendly - 'appears as additional apps' way. Oct 14 22:51:37 Rapier for one, gutenreader (might have the name wrong) canolla was amazing. FBReader and MaemoPad+ are daily use items for me. Oct 14 22:51:45 you install the 'android' app - and voila Oct 14 22:52:05 FBReader is a Fremantle Star application. Oct 14 22:52:36 mgedmin_: but does that refer more to the software side that doesn't have real factors preventing upgrades, or is it hardware specific idea? only difference in maemo 6 hardware roadmap was that obviously multitouch is coming at least at some extent. Oct 14 22:53:00 GeneralAntilles: what does that mean? Oct 14 22:53:04 GeneralAntilles: meaning? Oct 14 22:53:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars Oct 14 22:53:45 kirma: from what we heard the maemo 6 device will have essentially the same hw (plus multitouch-capable touchscreen), so it's mostly software left Oct 14 22:53:50 there are rough edges on the n900 Oct 14 22:54:03 e.g. some apps haven't been properly maemo-5-ized yet (notes, pdf reader) Oct 14 22:54:11 SpeedEvil: if I understood correctly, there are ports of the virtual machine to more general-purpose linux environments, so it shouldn't be impossible. integration is something completely different, of course... Oct 14 22:54:21 :( Oct 14 22:54:40 As long as they come, I don't mind waiting. I just hope they aren't abandoned. Oct 14 22:54:58 Ooh, Mauku is ported :) Oct 14 22:55:21 mgedmin_: my thoughts too. but processes in large organizations work in interesting ways, and they might find it easier not to support software upgrades for N900 unless it becomes really widely sold. Oct 14 22:55:40 remember the OS2008 update for the N800? Oct 14 22:55:50 I never expected it Oct 14 22:56:10 I guess if the hardware allows it, Nokia will try to make new software available for older platforms Oct 14 22:56:23 but they won't sacrifice features of a new platform to backwards-compatibility Oct 14 22:56:32 * javispedro notes Palm Pre was finally released here Oct 14 22:56:40 anyone know where I can get PyQt or PySide from? Oct 14 22:56:59 Also - I would expect much interest in Mer - polishing it and adding missing UI elements to make it more maemo5-like on the n900 post launch Oct 14 22:57:16 GeneralAntilles: I've read that page, but what exactly does "willing to get help from Nokia" mean? Oct 14 22:57:38 will experienced UI developers help port FBReader's interface to match the rest of fremantle (i.e. kinetic scrolling etc.)? Oct 14 22:57:50 or is that just access to pre-release devices for porting & testing etc.? Oct 14 22:58:07 Not sure the extent of announced support. Oct 14 22:58:24 hello world Oct 14 22:58:24 the tmo thread about fbreader was not encouraging -- upstream developer seemed unwilling to make maemo-specific changes Oct 14 22:58:24 GeneralAntilles: i've wrriten most of my package :) Oct 14 22:58:27 qwerty12_N810: i need another one of your cpa things Oct 14 22:58:27 fork! Oct 14 22:58:34 unless there's a better way to do it Oct 14 22:58:56 Maemo Mapper and Numpty Physics are listed under release quality. That makes me happy. So is Maemopad+ :) Oct 14 22:58:57 mgedmin_, but FBReader's portability makes it difficult to do stuff like that. Oct 14 22:59:06 It's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness. ;) Oct 14 22:59:24 yeah Oct 14 22:59:47 as usual. Oct 14 22:59:50 well, see you Oct 14 22:59:56 numpty? the version available in extras-devel right now is totally unusable Oct 14 23:00:02 OK, picture an N900 keyboard schnict as the .org comes in here: http://legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup-schnict.mov Oct 14 23:00:08 I also need to redo the fade in blending. Oct 14 23:00:18 mgedmin_, I think some of those status updates are old. Oct 14 23:00:26 Well that is a shame as it is listed under release quality on that page GeneralAntilles linked. Oct 14 23:00:29 GeneralAntilles: cool. Oct 14 23:00:43 JackBeSlow, like I said, some of the status updates aren't up-to-date. Oct 14 23:00:50 heh Oct 14 23:00:52 GeneralAntilles: i like Oct 14 23:01:03 GeneralAntilles: but i still want it in black :) Oct 14 23:01:13 JackBeSlow, but what you should be taking away from it is that the developers there have indicated their intentions to bring high-quality ports to Fremantle. ;) Oct 14 23:01:18 timeless_mbp, easy enegouh. Oct 14 23:01:25 :) Oct 14 23:01:27 :) Oct 14 23:01:37 s/enegouh/enough/ Oct 14 23:01:37 GeneralAntilles meant: timeless_mbp, easy enough. Oct 14 23:02:06 Jaffa, you got some examples in order to access the accelerometer using python? Oct 14 23:02:26 crashanddie_, Altitude code should be available from Extras. Oct 14 23:02:41 Well thanks for all the info. I got to get running. Oct 14 23:03:51 http://legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup-schnict-black.mov Oct 14 23:03:55 timeless_mbp ^ Oct 14 23:03:56 * timeless_mbp grumbles Oct 14 23:04:19 Stskeeps: the about ubuntu thing it the mer i'm using spells Licence using en-GB Oct 14 23:04:30 GeneralAntilles: =) Oct 14 23:04:51 GeneralAntilles, can't seem to find it Oct 14 23:05:27 crashanddie_, BAM! http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/source/a/attitude/ Oct 14 23:05:45 that's attitude Oct 14 23:05:48 not altitude :P Oct 14 23:09:26 Sorry Oct 14 23:09:55 crashanddie_, get me my N900 keyboard sound recording and I'll be more accurate next time. *g* Oct 14 23:10:19 how about you just stop eating that fatty shit all the time and wash your hands Oct 14 23:10:28 you wouldn't slip all over the keyboard all the time Oct 14 23:11:56 * GeneralAntilles cries. Oct 14 23:12:06 But it's like it says on the bag, you can't just eat one. :( Oct 14 23:12:42 when you start typing in the homescreen - contact search appear Oct 14 23:12:47 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 14 23:12:54 why not universal search? Oct 14 23:13:12 wazd, Tracker was not in shape enough for it, apparently. Oct 14 23:13:16 So, future feature. Oct 14 23:13:27 GeneralAntilles: ah, good to hear Oct 14 23:13:47 GeneralAntilles: it would be cool to just type anything and tell the device what it is Oct 14 23:14:07 GeneralAntilles: web address, calculation or something Oct 14 23:14:16 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 14 23:14:37 wazd, yeah, Quicksilver needs to be ported. :P Oct 14 23:15:17 GeneralAntilles: the osx app? Oct 14 23:15:19 just for the record, I had this idea before Pre appeared :P Oct 14 23:15:27 * timeless_mbp frowns Oct 14 23:15:28 timeless_mbp, yes. Oct 14 23:15:35 timeless_mbp, hopefully you're using it. :P Oct 14 23:15:39 i am Oct 14 23:15:48 i don't have many choices Oct 14 23:15:58 Is Butler still being updated? Oct 14 23:16:01 spotlight doesn't work properly w/ zfs Oct 14 23:18:29 Man, how useless can a profiles control panel get. . . . Oct 14 23:18:36 Why can't I turn of vibra per-notification. . . . Oct 14 23:19:31 * timeless_mbp chuckles Oct 14 23:19:45 GeneralAntilles: we have a screen saver that runs on most windows computers at nokia Oct 14 23:19:58 it's really amusing, it's basically a list of all the features the n900 doesn't support Oct 14 23:20:08 (they're all the nokia innovations) Oct 14 23:20:23 coffee machine? Oct 14 23:20:36 lol Oct 14 23:21:02 timeless, snake? Oct 14 23:21:23 ok... so, i need someone to walk me through things Oct 14 23:22:27 anyway, bedtime for me Oct 14 23:22:29 take care people Oct 14 23:22:32 Later Oct 14 23:22:36 GeneralAntilles, thanks for the link Oct 14 23:23:36 How difficult would it be to make an app that recorded sound and took still photos at regular intervals? Oct 14 23:24:34 (not 480p video, but 5MP stills) Oct 14 23:24:45 not very Oct 14 23:24:56 you basically talk to gstreamer Oct 14 23:25:16 It occurred to me that such an app would be excellent for making video lectures. Oct 14 23:25:31 blurry pics every 5s? Oct 14 23:25:45 ...why would they be blurry? Oct 14 23:26:11 hey Oct 14 23:26:22 someone made some mention of support for shell scripts from control panel Oct 14 23:26:31 did that actually happen, or were people here dreaming? Oct 14 23:27:23 crashanddie: Is there any reason they would be blurry? Oct 14 23:28:06 I would think stills would be better than video for recording lectures, since it has no zoom and you want to see what's being written. Oct 14 23:28:20 (providing they're in focus) Oct 14 23:28:32 hence the blurry comment Oct 14 23:28:50 better to have human shutterbugs and scrum around the results Oct 14 23:28:50 why wouldn't they be in focus? Oct 14 23:29:07 or true multimedia Oct 14 23:29:13 people recording bits in format they like Oct 14 23:29:33 night all Oct 14 23:29:35 cos the professor moves across 3 boards Oct 14 23:29:38 gnite simon Oct 14 23:30:09 ah...and the edges of the board would be out of focus? Oct 14 23:30:59 dmj7261, at the copenhagen meetup, keesj had an app which took stills every now and then from his webcam Oct 14 23:31:07 see what the code was and try it Oct 14 23:31:10 it works well Oct 14 23:31:21 I don't have an n900 yet. Oct 14 23:31:35 or was it for desktop linux? Oct 14 23:31:48 this software problem can be run on laptop Oct 14 23:31:57 to prove the concept Oct 14 23:32:07 let you know its what you think it is Oct 14 23:34:07 where can I find it? Oct 14 23:35:35 dmj7261, lol if i knew i would tell you Oct 14 23:35:49 im just trying to dig through google now Oct 14 23:42:58 My google search didn't yield anything. Oct 14 23:43:30 dmj7261, mine neither, catch keesj next time hes around Oct 14 23:43:44 or search for a simple linux timelapse proggy Oct 14 23:43:48 which would do same thing ;) Oct 14 23:44:23 yeah, and maybe add the ability to capture audio syched to the pictures. Oct 14 23:46:54 http://www.t0ny.org/page/LinuxTimeLapse Oct 14 23:54:01 Anyone else remember seeing the slide saying that running the n900 at 600mhz would fry it? Oct 14 23:54:08 The slide from Summit. Oct 14 23:54:40 I heard (via some video somewhere) that smoke was involved. Oct 14 23:55:54 It significantly reduces reliability Oct 14 23:55:58 and will decrease the life Oct 14 23:56:02 there isn't prompt smoke Oct 14 23:56:17 think nvidia video card with the issues, not explosions. Oct 14 23:56:36 If it's turned up all the way, it'll fail sometime not too soon. Oct 14 23:56:44 zerojay, _locking_ it Oct 14 23:56:49 and that's from Igor's presentation. Oct 14 23:56:51 not even after a few hours at 600mhz in a bag/pocket? Oct 14 23:57:09 Oct 14 23:57:09 It's not a temperature issue anyway. Oct 14 23:57:24 or does it do the PC thing where the device shuts down? Oct 14 23:58:05 It's a temperature + power thing as I understnad it Oct 14 23:58:11 temperature is going to make it worse Oct 14 23:58:20 but without getting too hot - it's still got issues Oct 14 23:58:29 It's a voltage issue. Oct 14 23:58:36 i'm pretty sure we try to recognize overheating Oct 14 23:58:39 ah...overvolting Oct 14 23:58:44 iirc there's a string for when you overheat Oct 14 23:58:49 which isn't to say it's guaranteed to work Oct 14 23:58:56 don't cook your n900 in an oven Oct 14 23:59:04 and certainly don't cook someone else's (e.g. a nokia loaner) Oct 14 23:59:05 overvolting is harder than overheating to detect as abnormal Oct 14 23:59:12 The OMAP2 devices had an overheat shutdown mode. Oct 14 23:59:25 But cpufreq should really take care of any overvoltage issues. Oct 14 23:59:26 I wish I had a nokia loaner. Oct 15 00:00:00 i remember that slide Oct 15 00:00:12 * timeless_mbp grumbles Oct 15 00:00:12 qwerty12_N810: ping Oct 15 00:00:19 the message was that running it constantly at 600mhz would destroy it Oct 15 00:00:19 IC package design is a _hairy_ subject. It's quite possible to create packages that are unreliable under certain conditions - especially when you are under pressure to reduce the size as much as possible. Oct 15 00:01:27 "Device too hot and will be shut down. Slide keyboard out to help cooling." Oct 15 00:01:45 so yes, we still try to detect when you're trying to kill it Oct 15 00:01:52 * SpeedEvil spots an opportunity. Oct 15 00:01:53 but that doesn't help if you put it in an oven... Oct 15 00:02:12 A 3.5mm->vacuum cleaner adaptor Oct 15 00:02:38 hehe Oct 15 00:03:27 i've heard of people bricking their phones by overclocking them. the hardware isn't exploding, but it just endlessly reboots before they can get to a point where they can undo it Oct 15 00:04:01 SpeedEvil, ahahaha Oct 15 00:04:37 of course it wasn't a nokia phone Oct 15 00:04:43 n900 seems to run a lot cooler than my previous HTC phone Oct 15 00:05:00 thats cos it is a lot cooler Oct 15 00:05:04 iphone users: Hooray, it's shiny! n900 users: Why didn't Nokia include a portal gun? Oct 15 00:05:16 portal gun? Oct 15 00:05:38 Aperture Science Handheld Portal Device Oct 15 00:05:44 dmj7261: exactly! :D Oct 15 00:05:53 dmj7261, I don't think they could get it past the FCC. Oct 15 00:05:55 oops Oct 15 00:05:56 and dmj7261 how do you know they HAVENT Oct 15 00:06:01 * timeless_mbp crashed um, something Oct 15 00:06:04 Although: http://n900wallpapers.com/wallpaper/aperture-science---portal-i Oct 15 00:06:06 not sure what Oct 15 00:06:07 that could be the easter egg! Oct 15 00:06:08 but something Oct 15 00:06:19 nice! Oct 15 00:06:28 liqbase acts like portal :) Oct 15 00:06:29 GeneralAntilles: Liked your Earthbound wallpapers? Oct 15 00:06:37 zerojay, oh, damn! Oct 15 00:06:40 I completely forgot. Oct 15 00:06:44 maybe it's a hidden feature? like the fm receiver? Oct 15 00:06:48 It's in extras-testing. :) Oct 15 00:06:59 Flyser_, its a bit more powerful than that Oct 15 00:07:04 Installed it, forgot to set the background. Oct 15 00:07:06 by the way, the vlc port, does it have any gui controls? Oct 15 00:07:16 or mplayer? Oct 15 00:07:27 zerojay, got distracted posting this. ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32845 Oct 15 00:07:30 * timeless_mbp sighs Oct 15 00:07:34 * timeless_mbp forgot to depend on zenity Oct 15 00:07:51 you have to take the case off, remove the battery - slide the flux capacitor out of the way and insert some antimatter into the warp core Oct 15 00:07:58 zerojay, sa-weeeet! Oct 15 00:08:00 GeneralAntilles: I'll change the N900 -> Maemo.. I just want to at least provide another wallpaper with the update so it isn't just one word difference. ;) Oct 15 00:08:08 It comes with a warp core! Oct 15 00:08:12 2 Oct 15 00:09:44 The hidden feature is that yes, it has a FM transmitter. It transmits a 10 megawatt beam of FM gamma-rays. Oct 15 00:10:10 you have to first open the keyboard and extend the deflector dish Oct 15 00:10:12 nice, maemo-launcher segfaulted Oct 15 00:10:17 or it will burn your fingertips Oct 15 00:10:18 GeneralAntilles: wobbly windows! Oct 15 00:10:29 so it comes with a death ray Oct 15 00:10:48 ...I'm pretty sure it can do wobbly windows via the Ubuntu port. Oct 15 00:10:57 zerojay, yes, one of his more recent contributions: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32854 Oct 15 00:11:09 Yes, the Nokia NDA very sneakily absolves them of any loss of life due to the death ray. :/ Oct 15 00:11:39 GeneralAntilles: Hahahaha. Oct 15 00:12:22 correction: cheese slicer/death ray Oct 15 00:12:40 * GeneralAntilles is gonna have rib eye to photograph tonight. Oct 15 00:13:03 ah fuck. Oct 15 00:13:30 Doubt anyone would have wanted to see frozen pizza anyways. Oct 15 00:13:46 Hehe Oct 15 00:13:49 On the umpcportal/jkk videos they were talking about the three device vs two device strategy. Oct 15 00:13:56 What did they mean by that? Oct 15 00:13:57 You could always start a new meme, and photo it as it comes back out. Oct 15 00:14:01 We need a smell sensor to have the N900 remind us when we're around food. Oct 15 00:14:10 SpeedEvil, we'll leave that to you. :P Oct 15 00:14:29 GeneralAntilles: I need a n900 to perform this vital community service. Oct 15 00:14:40 * SpeedEvil wonders if this'd qualify for developer discount. Oct 15 00:14:41 I'll be sure to petition Nokia for you. Oct 15 00:15:40 SpeedEvil: LOL. Oct 15 00:15:44 MAEMO POOPS! Oct 15 00:15:54 ooh shiny Oct 15 00:16:02 * timeless_mbp now has an "English" item in control panel Oct 15 00:16:07 You could name it "Ihasamaemopoop" Oct 15 00:16:26 N900rocksohardishitmyself. Oct 15 00:16:30 ...and people will spend years trying to figure out how it's pronounced Oct 15 00:16:36 * timeless_mbp frowns Oct 15 00:16:45 lol Oct 15 00:18:07 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 15 00:18:08 so... Oct 15 00:18:15 oh well, i don't care :) Oct 15 00:18:38 Good choice. Oct 15 00:19:09 By the way, I'm pretty sure nobody is going to fill the "application memory" Oct 15 00:19:17 ? Oct 15 00:19:25 hah. Oct 15 00:19:30 I did when restoring from backup. Oct 15 00:19:32 * GeneralAntilles was surprised to see it using 156MB yesterday. Oct 15 00:19:37 I can count the number of times that's happened to me on my netbook with 1gb ram and no swap Oct 15 00:19:40 i did it a while ago Oct 15 00:19:43 it broke key applications Oct 15 00:19:51 I reflashed. Oct 15 00:20:06 but that was with ubuntu, firefox, open office, and pidgin. Oct 15 00:20:40 ...and firefox had about 100 tabs Oct 15 00:21:29 timeless_mbp: was that the application storage or the "application memory" you filled? Oct 15 00:21:38 I'm talking about storage. Oct 15 00:21:52 ah...I was talking memory Oct 15 00:21:54 i filled ubifs Oct 15 00:22:13 Yeah, UBIFS is easy to fill. Oct 15 00:22:31 That's the 2 gb partition? Oct 15 00:22:34 no Oct 15 00:22:39 that's the 256mb one Oct 15 00:22:40 246MB oneNAND in the PoP Oct 15 00:22:45 er Oct 15 00:22:47 or whatever Oct 15 00:22:47 256 Oct 15 00:22:50 GeneralAntilles: Does it make sense to replace the wallpapers package now that it's in testing or should I wait for it to get enough votes to make it into Extras first? Oct 15 00:22:52 o.0 just saw the n810 omap2 driver announcement on maemo.org, awesome. :) Oct 15 00:23:06 zerojay, replace it now, karma's still low. Oct 15 00:23:10 k Oct 15 00:23:16 Wait, what's the 256 used for? Oct 15 00:23:22 dmj7261: that's where the os lives Oct 15 00:23:29 dmj7261, bootloader, kernel, rootfs. Oct 15 00:23:30 rootfs Oct 15 00:23:32 ah...os and apps? Oct 15 00:23:41 well, "privileged apps" Oct 15 00:23:41 GeneralAntilles: But when I replace the package, it's going to have to be retested even if it makes it into Extras? Oct 15 00:23:48 how did that get filled? Oct 15 00:23:50 if everyone installs there, things don't work very well :) Oct 15 00:23:56 zerojay, if you want the updated package in Extras, yes. Oct 15 00:24:03 dmj7261, applications. Oct 15 00:24:15 So it's gotta be revoted upon and everything? Oct 15 00:24:19 dmj7261, some of the stuff in Extras-testing and most of the stuff in Extras-devel hasn't been optified. Oct 15 00:24:25 zerojay, yeah. Oct 15 00:24:37 I thought the applications partition was a 2gb one? Oct 15 00:24:42 lol... my shit's never going into extras then. Oct 15 00:24:47 dmj7261: well, um Oct 15 00:24:52 /opt and /home live there Oct 15 00:24:59 and we *want* apps to install to /opt Oct 15 00:25:04 so they can play in that 2gb volume Oct 15 00:25:10 but that isn't the default way of the world Oct 15 00:25:12 zerojay, that's why we need to get everybody who has a device testing. Oct 15 00:25:14 what has to be done to optify them? Oct 15 00:25:21 It's actually kind of sad how few of them have. Oct 15 00:25:22 there's supposedly a script to do it Oct 15 00:25:28 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, no one does it. Oct 15 00:25:52 I think I emailed -developers but didn't get a reply. Oct 15 00:27:36 Just put out a reminder on Twitter. Oct 15 00:27:54 TWITter Oct 15 00:28:38 I know, but I have a lot of Maemo followers and bloggers and shit like that. Oct 15 00:29:02 Meaningless, but maybe someone will listen. Oct 15 00:29:36 It seems to me that twitter is mostly useful in situations one would rather not be in. Oct 15 00:30:22 dmj7261: Like making out with a tranny? Oct 15 00:30:45 or being beaten by paramilitaries. Oct 15 00:33:12 I seem to have killed my Ubuntu Karmic liveusb Oct 15 00:33:46 * timeless_mbp pokes qwerty12_N810 Oct 15 00:34:40 * timeless_mbp sighs Oct 15 00:34:56 ham does not handle a large number of catalogs very well Oct 15 00:35:13 it can take > 30s to load the catalogs pane Oct 15 00:35:44 Never has. Oct 15 00:35:51 Somehow it doesn't feel any faster on OMAP3, either. Oct 15 00:35:59 * timeless_mbp frowns Oct 15 00:36:07 i think i'm missing a string Oct 15 00:36:17 * timeless_mbp wonders how that ... E WHAT THE *F* Oct 15 00:39:09 does maemo openssh-server support pubkey login? Oct 15 00:39:49 cos i put my keys in /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys but i still get asked for a password for user Oct 15 00:43:31 did you set permissions properly? Oct 15 00:45:17 i think so: chown user:users and everything is 700 Oct 15 00:45:29 including the directory? Oct 15 00:45:38 hmm no, i forgot -R Oct 15 00:46:48 Hmm.. maybe Twitter isn't so useless after all. Message is getting retweeted. Oct 15 00:47:05 lol Oct 15 00:47:49 ok permissions are definitely right now, but still doesn't work Oct 15 00:50:00 * ali1234 runs virtualbox over ssh -X Oct 15 00:54:34 * GAN900 gets ready for steak pictures. Oct 15 00:55:40 anyone here understand ham? Oct 15 00:55:42 * timeless_mbp needs help Oct 15 00:59:11 GAN900, auto tagging based on food pic content? Oct 15 00:59:17 timeless, i understand bacon Oct 15 00:59:24 that's helpful Oct 15 00:59:29 whats up with appman? Oct 15 00:59:30 want to try understanding ham? Oct 15 00:59:36 it isn't showing my package Oct 15 00:59:43 is it already installed Oct 15 01:00:08 i sure hope not Oct 15 01:00:20 i have those sorts of panics Oct 15 01:00:33 i've never installed it on a device Oct 15 01:00:36 is this the first time you have expected it to be there Oct 15 01:00:38 unless you count a Mer box Oct 15 01:01:39 once installed in Mer, ham shows it properly in the Installed area Oct 15 01:03:24 whats it meant to show Oct 15 01:03:34 and is it in the correct category Oct 15 01:03:52 duunno Oct 15 01:03:59 can you load the Packages file and look? Oct 15 01:04:02 whats an app name its meant to do Oct 15 01:04:36 * timeless_mbp pokes lcuk 's other window Oct 15 01:04:54 i know the other window is there Oct 15 01:04:59 i added and had same problem Oct 15 01:05:03 i wanted to check from console Oct 15 01:05:09 but i needed a package name Oct 15 01:05:11 :P Oct 15 01:05:18 load the url in a web browser Oct 15 01:05:25 it only has 4 files or so, one is packages :) Oct 15 01:05:31 or rather Packages Oct 15 01:07:58 timeless its in user/system im pretty sure app manager has strange rules - GeneralAntilles do you know if that would be hidden by default Oct 15 01:08:20 apt-get lets me get at them as far as i can tell Oct 15 01:08:54 so you can see the package if you use apt-cache ? Oct 15 01:12:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Oct 15 01:12:40 "user/system " Oct 15 01:13:59 timeless_mbp: just checking for optifying... can I put stuff in /opt on the n810 too Oct 15 01:14:10 um Oct 15 01:14:11 or do I need a separate deb for that Oct 15 01:14:30 there's probably a /opt in the n810 Oct 15 01:14:31 I mean, it won't be any better, like on the n900 Oct 15 01:14:34 it's probably on the rootfs Oct 15 01:14:43 so yeah, it shouldn't specifically break Oct 15 01:14:46 it won't benefit Oct 15 01:14:48 ok Oct 15 01:14:56 definitely install once to verify :) Oct 15 01:15:03 :) Oct 15 01:15:11 * timeless_mbp is trying that part of this process now Oct 15 01:15:18 lcuk: save me ? :( Oct 15 01:15:51 timeless, apparantly i can see it in apt-cache but ive never used it before so i dunno Oct 15 01:16:25 it appears to show and be usable for me Oct 15 01:16:43 well - not installable Oct 15 01:16:48 but thats a different reason Oct 15 01:16:52 show/usable where? Oct 15 01:17:06 do you have extras-devel added/enabled? Oct 15 01:17:11 in apt Oct 15 01:17:21 no i removed all repos other than yours Oct 15 01:17:26 ah, ok Oct 15 01:17:29 so i could ensure i only had yours listed Oct 15 01:17:43 so for that reason i couldnt install it (i think) Oct 15 01:17:53 yeah, i'm not offering the dependency Oct 15 01:17:58 it should be in extras-devel iirc Oct 15 01:18:10 * lcuk nods Oct 15 01:18:39 ooh! Oct 15 01:18:45 it appeared in package manager! Oct 15 01:19:03 Mmm . . . steak Oct 15 01:19:11 lol Oct 15 01:19:17 lcuk: note... absolutely no warrantee Oct 15 01:19:23 this package has never been installed anywhere :) Oct 15 01:19:37 you made your own repo? Oct 15 01:19:42 as well btw? Oct 15 01:19:46 lcuk how you doing? Oct 15 01:19:49 well, that's just for testing Oct 15 01:19:52 i won't keep it up Oct 15 01:19:55 i was thinking about that very thing tonight Oct 15 01:20:04 hi tad - im good i think. Oct 15 01:20:13 i tried building the Packages file by hand Oct 15 01:20:15 timeless, the mention of .install files was in part Oct 15 01:20:41 i think the fix was to use dpkg-scanpackages Oct 15 01:20:53 damn! dpkg is hard on device Oct 15 01:21:30 theres me hoping to setup a mini repo, share a mini http server with .install and have fun on the go :) Oct 15 01:22:35 dpkg-scanpackages is a run once thing Oct 15 01:22:39 so that wouldn't be a big problem Oct 15 01:22:47 heh interesting Oct 15 01:22:59 the alternative is of course to get the conductor app into extras Oct 15 01:23:05 and have the devices simply sharing data Oct 15 01:24:00 ok, something didn't work Oct 15 01:24:12 * timeless_mbp cries Oct 15 01:24:30 ok, so,... anyone here want to help me walk through an idiots guide to making debian packages do work? Oct 15 01:24:50 timeless, that person would be jeremiah Oct 15 01:25:04 but since hes probably sleeping off his birthday glass of cola Oct 15 01:25:11 i wouldnt bet on him being around Oct 15 01:25:16 * timeless_mbp prods jeremiah Oct 15 01:25:30 sp3000: maybe you're around? :) Oct 15 01:25:39 timeless_mbp: hi there ... I'm a debian developer and can try answering your question Oct 15 01:25:48 i on the otherhand need to vanish Oct 15 01:25:48 hi Oct 15 01:25:51 cya later timeless \o Oct 15 01:25:56 lcuk: thanks, you were helpful :) Oct 15 01:26:08 timeless_mbp: can you summarize the relevant bit of scrollback for me? Oct 15 01:26:09 i try to be \o have fun Oct 15 01:28:59 * Tadthebuilder is nervous Oct 15 01:32:17 GeneralAntilles: classic-gaming-wallpapers-1.3-1maemo2 sent to autobuilder. Added two new Chrono Trigger wallpapers + N900 -> Maemo 5. Oct 15 01:34:32 Cool Oct 15 01:36:30 this is the last time ill be on here in about two weeks... Oct 15 01:36:38 so i wont even know if the n900 gets realeased soon Oct 15 01:37:21 hi Oct 15 01:37:24 Why? Where are you going? Oct 15 01:37:55 nead help to set up ssh Oct 15 01:38:05 some one wit litel time Oct 15 01:38:07 :) Oct 15 01:39:04 im getting married on sat Oct 15 01:39:10 Oh, right. Congrats. Oct 15 01:39:14 and im going to be setting up for the next couple days Oct 15 01:39:17 then a honeymoon Oct 15 01:39:21 so yeah Oct 15 01:39:23 Woo, no more microwaved hot dogs! Oct 15 01:39:26 Don't worry about us. :) Oct 15 01:39:34 no more not microwaved hot dogs haha Oct 15 01:39:43 im a little worried about you guys Oct 15 01:39:47 you might get into trouble without me Oct 15 01:40:16 jk Oct 15 01:41:34 but i will miss sitting in ehre and reading all of the interesting conversations concerning future software for maemo Oct 15 01:41:39 (and current software) Oct 15 01:41:57 No you wont. ;) Oct 15 01:42:17 Tadthebuilder, congratulations and good luck :) Oct 15 01:42:44 i thought you went to be lcuk? Oct 15 01:42:44 thanks Oct 15 01:42:44 though Oct 15 01:42:44 Im still praying that you find a job man Oct 15 01:42:46 bed* Oct 15 01:42:59 okay your right i wont think about this place all week :) Oct 15 01:43:03 yeah me too :) im speaking with a few companies atm Oct 15 01:43:26 no i went doin other stuff lol Oct 15 01:43:44 ah okay Oct 15 01:43:47 makes sense Oct 15 01:43:49 have a nice summit though/ Oct 15 01:43:53 ? Oct 15 01:44:12 yes :) apart from the minor 5 minutes where the projector failed as i was startin to speak ;) Oct 15 01:44:49 yeah that can be rough Oct 15 01:44:54 never fully rely on technology Oct 15 01:44:57 but thats a little difficult Oct 15 01:45:02 with your at a summit on technology Oct 15 01:45:04 haha Oct 15 01:45:11 thats just what I was taught when being taught public speaking Oct 15 01:45:33 im a nervous wreck at the best of times Oct 15 01:45:42 ah makes sense Oct 15 01:45:48 any advice on getting married? Oct 15 01:45:50 haha Oct 15 01:45:51 anyone at all Oct 15 01:45:54 but i managed to speak to most of the people who i needed to Oct 15 01:45:55 (or advise on sex...) Oct 15 01:45:59 Tadthebuilder: Go get you some. Oct 15 01:46:03 okay well thats good Oct 15 01:46:08 three days Oct 15 01:46:20 dont marri Oct 15 01:46:27 don't get married until after 25 at least (if at all) Oct 15 01:46:33 :) Oct 15 01:46:33 well that's odd, my N810 alarm doesn't make any sounds anymore :( Oct 15 01:46:39 you have only known your fience for three days? Oct 15 01:46:41 Tadthebuilder: Eh... really... if you're nervous about the whole first time sex thing... really, don't be. Oct 15 01:47:01 three days till im married Oct 15 01:47:12 Tadthebuilder: you're both virgins? Oct 15 01:47:12 you read my mind Oct 15 01:47:15 yeah Oct 15 01:47:17 both Oct 15 01:47:21 haha Oct 15 01:47:36 Im a Christian minister. Oct 15 01:47:54 first time sex advice... talk about it? Oct 15 01:47:56 marrig is not good Oct 15 01:48:01 at your wedding, do you act as minister and groom? Oct 15 01:48:06 haha no Oct 15 01:48:11 I wonder if I coudl of though Oct 15 01:48:13 ... Oct 15 01:48:13 Tadthebuilder: Take your time.. enjoy... relax... no need to rush anything... and don't be surprised if the first time isn't the most amazing of experiences. Chemistry takes time. Oct 15 01:48:14 ahhh, you are the bride! Oct 15 01:48:38 thats seems to be good advice zerojay Oct 15 01:48:48 im mostly worried about hurting her... Oct 15 01:49:01 Tadthebuilder: so talk to her about it Oct 15 01:49:04 (this is probalby not the place most people would come for advice on this subject) Oct 15 01:49:08 good point cleary Oct 15 01:49:11 talking to us ain't gonna change that ;) Oct 15 01:49:16 true Oct 15 01:49:30 Tadthebuilder, advice: if your lovely wife screams in pain, you are doing it wrong. Oct 15 01:49:37 Communication is king. ;) Oct 15 01:49:39 that is very good advice Oct 15 01:49:45 screams of pain Oct 15 01:49:46 Tadthebuilder: plenty of foreplay, failing that, plenty of lube Oct 15 01:49:47 Tadthebuilder: Shit, I put my condom on backwards the first time AND it was too small. Felt like the condom was choking my dick to death. After two hours, I was like "oooookay, why do so many guys like this shit?" Oct 15 01:49:48 = bad Oct 15 01:50:19 im laughing a bit zero Oct 15 01:50:25 sorry though that would hurt Oct 15 01:50:27 You should be. I am. lol Oct 15 01:50:36 the google logs are going to start bringing interesting people after tonight Oct 15 01:50:43 wait Oct 15 01:50:44 Oh shit. Oct 15 01:50:48 are those searchable? Oct 15 01:50:52 Yeah... oops... forgot the room was logged. hahaha. Oct 15 01:50:56 lol Oct 15 01:51:04 :) Oct 15 01:51:08 thats funny Oct 15 01:51:33 Good thing Summit was LAST week or else I'm sure I'd hear an earfull about this. lol Oct 15 01:51:34 * lcuk giggles Oct 15 01:51:44 its quite humurous... Oct 15 01:51:56 its okay, no one knows who I am. I can fade into non existance at any time... Oct 15 01:52:20 But hey... even with an experience like that the first time.. it didn't really matter in the end anyways. Oct 15 01:52:26 why fade away? nothing wrong with what you asked Oct 15 01:52:35 i wasnt saying I was going to Oct 15 01:52:37 just that I could Oct 15 01:52:51 heck its not like I can ask anyone in a face to face conversation. Oct 15 01:52:58 well I could but that would be really ackward in my mind... Oct 15 01:53:10 indeed Oct 15 01:53:24 i remember having a 4 hour conversation on irc about which way you wipe on the toilet Oct 15 01:53:43 or was it the cb Oct 15 01:54:00 either way, mates sat in a pub have never discussed such things Oct 15 01:54:16 it would just be a strange conversation to have over a beer...or a pizza Oct 15 01:54:24 lcuk: I had that exact discussion for a few hours over beers with one of my mates at his relos place :) Oct 15 01:54:31 it wasn't awkward Oct 15 01:54:48 except for the fact that my mate wiped wrong... ;) Oct 15 01:54:52 cleary, did you use hand gestures too? Oct 15 01:54:58 yep Oct 15 01:55:02 you sick mofo Oct 15 01:55:05 lolol Oct 15 01:55:11 haha Oct 15 01:55:18 any of you ever been to charleston south carolina? Oct 15 01:55:27 * cleary has never been to the states Oct 15 01:55:37 * lcuk has never been to the south Oct 15 01:56:16 oh yeah I forgot that most of the people here are European Oct 15 01:56:19 Tadthebuilder: I had an online girlfriend that lived a few miles away in Goose Creek. Oct 15 01:56:27 Tadthebuilder: I'm australian Oct 15 01:56:37 Australian even Oct 15 01:56:38 or australian Oct 15 01:56:45 Tadthebuilder: Never been there though. Lived in Kentucky for a few years. Oct 15 01:56:52 * cleary tries for some national pride Oct 15 01:56:55 im going there for my honeymoon Oct 15 01:57:03 seems like a nice place Oct 15 01:57:05 off season Oct 15 01:57:07 though Oct 15 01:58:38 Tadthebuilder: Where are you from? Oct 15 01:59:14 Charleston is pretty nice Oct 15 01:59:18 Be sure to visit the beaches. Oct 15 01:59:31 Not quite Florida for beaches, but nice enough. ;) Oct 15 02:01:22 zerojay, see my new startup videos? Oct 15 02:01:24 What version of firefox does microb claim to be? Oct 15 02:01:33 No, I didn't yet. Link me? Oct 15 02:01:49 ugh. i just got back from the gym and i think i am going to die Oct 15 02:01:51 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup-schnict.mov http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup-schnict-black.mov Oct 15 02:02:39 .mov? Oct 15 02:02:53 I'm too lazy to reencode and that's all that Cinema 4D outputs. Oct 15 02:04:16 It's the Quicktime container format. Oct 15 02:04:20 GeneralAntilles: I like. Does it replace sound also? Oct 15 02:04:22 Should play on device if nothing else. Oct 15 02:04:24 Yes Oct 15 02:04:38 Very nice. Looks so pro. Oct 15 02:04:39 I want to do the N900 keyboard sound for when the .org pops in. Oct 15 02:04:49 Picture that in your brain and it'll be a lot cooler. :D Oct 15 02:05:25 makes me think of failblog... DOT ORG Oct 15 02:05:25 ;) Oct 15 02:06:32 If somebody doesn't make me a good quality recording of it by this weekend I'll do it myself once I get access to the equipment. . . . Oct 15 02:09:06 Are you just talking about the small click you hear when you press down the physical key? Oct 15 02:09:15 No, when you pop open the keyboard. Oct 15 02:09:26 The chunk? Oct 15 02:09:32 Yeah Oct 15 02:09:41 The "schnict". ;) Oct 15 02:10:04 Well, it just so happens I have an obsessive compulsive sound designer that I'm good friends with who is also a Linux junkie lusting after an N900. Oct 15 02:10:09 I'm sure he would be happy to help. Oct 15 02:10:11 does osx have a recording app? Oct 15 02:10:13 Haha Oct 15 02:10:17 Awesome Oct 15 02:10:31 GeneralAntilles: I'll talk to him about it when I get to work tomorrow. Oct 15 02:10:37 timeless_mbp, not sure about built-in, but there are dozens of 3rd-party solutions. Oct 15 02:11:00 theres gotta be one built in somewhere Oct 15 02:11:08 steve needs a place to practice his "boom!" Oct 15 02:11:26 heh Oct 15 02:11:29 timeless_mbp: at minimum there are free software ones like audacity which can record and works on OS X Oct 15 02:11:31 Well, I guess GarageBand does technically qualify as "built in" Oct 15 02:11:50 timeless_mbp, I don't have a good mic here, though. Oct 15 02:11:53 or that Oct 15 02:12:03 i don't think i have garageband Oct 15 02:12:16 audacity Oct 15 02:12:17 i have a skype video camera that i got from maemo summit Oct 15 02:12:18 i have access to a nice garage recording setup with booth and everything this weekend, though. ;) Oct 15 02:12:18 is cross platform Oct 15 02:12:19 does that count? Oct 15 02:12:30 is garageband an optional extra or what? Oct 15 02:12:37 Not sure. Oct 15 02:12:48 It may depend on the locale and purchase channel. Oct 15 02:12:52 Seems to have come with my Mac Pro. Oct 15 02:12:57 timeless_mbp: it's part of iLife Oct 15 02:13:01 It's come with the last 3 or 4 computers we've purchased. Oct 15 02:13:02 it's on my 10.5 ppc Oct 15 02:13:02 I thought it was packaged with their media macs Oct 15 02:13:08 which has iLife and friends Oct 15 02:13:11 timeless_mbp: which comes free with all new macs or can be purchased Oct 15 02:13:15 but my mbp is from nokia Oct 15 02:14:00 timeless_mbp: the mbp probably came with a version of garageband but it might not be in the image they gave you if they reinstalled OS X and didn't reinstall the bundled software that came with the mbp Oct 15 02:14:22 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 15 02:14:35 * timeless_mbp tries to remember how this mac was actually installed Oct 15 02:14:41 timeless_mbp: audacity is audio-only, so won't solve the problem for a video camera Oct 15 02:14:46 it's certainly possible i reinstalled it Oct 15 02:15:07 timeless_mbp: if you have all the discs that came with the computer, one of them probably has iLife on it Oct 15 02:15:17 and anything else bundled Oct 15 02:15:34 why can my 512 sd card not fit 217 megs of stuff on it Oct 15 02:15:37 when northing else is on it Oct 15 02:15:46 check for .Trash and similar :) Oct 15 02:15:53 Tadthebuilder: is it partitioned? plus what timeless_mbp said Oct 15 02:16:08 or Recycled/Recycler (hidden) ... Oct 15 02:16:22 and also, FAT can accept only so many files in the root dir Oct 15 02:16:24 why cant things just delete when I delete Oct 15 02:16:24 (use subdirectories) Oct 15 02:16:25 them Oct 15 02:16:35 they do Oct 15 02:16:35 I hate trash bins Oct 15 02:16:38 Tadthebuilder: use the command line on linux, then they do :) Oct 15 02:16:39 at least, in Unix. Oct 15 02:16:44 (or OS X, etc) Oct 15 02:16:45 I would not of clicked delete if I wanted things to go into a trashbin Oct 15 02:17:04 then click "Empty Trash" afterwards Oct 15 02:17:14 trashcans save lives, jobs and families ;) Oct 15 02:17:37 could use a log-based FS Oct 15 02:17:42 like nilfs2, but more stable ;p Oct 15 02:17:50 * timeless_mbp prefers zfs Oct 15 02:17:51 it worked Oct 15 02:17:53 found trash Oct 15 02:17:54 * timeless_mbp uses it on this mbp Oct 15 02:17:55 deleted it Oct 15 02:18:06 timeless_mbp: zfs is not log-structured Oct 15 02:18:19 it doesn't automatically snapshot stuff and garbage collect it Oct 15 02:18:29 you can cron snapshotting Oct 15 02:18:39 osol has a widget in nautilus to do that Oct 15 02:18:39 (that's just a tinsy tiny step off ubifs or jffs2) Oct 15 02:18:47 manual = bad Oct 15 02:18:47 timeless_mbp: I'd be interested to know how zfs treats flash drives like SD cards in terms of wearing out the drives, performance, etc. do you know? Oct 15 02:18:56 timed = doesn't work always Oct 15 02:19:00 i don't know Oct 15 02:19:04 Hydroxide: it treats them badly Oct 15 02:19:13 it's a standard B-tree filesystem Oct 15 02:19:17 AStorm: that was my initial guess Oct 15 02:19:17 not much flashy stuff Oct 15 02:19:45 so, the journal will rape your flash Oct 15 02:20:00 really i need a bigger sd card Oct 15 02:20:03 btrfs is a far better choice (it's Copy-on-Write, no journal to rape your flash) Oct 15 02:20:07 a 16 gig would be nice Oct 15 02:20:34 * Hydroxide gripes in the general direction of whoever's responsible for the n900 delays... Oct 15 02:20:37 as is reiser4 and xfs (these use many small journals) Oct 15 02:21:16 nilfs, once it's done, could be good as well (depending on how the log structure is handled) Oct 15 02:23:36 * GeneralAntilles recalls why he stopped highlighting on "general" Oct 15 02:24:03 because it would show up alot? Oct 15 02:24:27 About 25% of my highlights over the past two weeks have been from that. Oct 15 02:24:45 heh Oct 15 02:25:13 Sadly it means I'm going to miss some real highlights but if people really need me. . . . ;) Oct 15 02:26:25 oh right Oct 15 02:26:28 GeneralAntilles: so... Oct 15 02:26:46 someone got startled by some of the legalese strings that conic uses Oct 15 02:28:08 wait you can change with highlights you? Oct 15 02:29:11 Depends on your client. Oct 15 02:29:34 * lcuk has bacon as a highlight term Oct 15 02:30:36 I like bacon Oct 15 02:30:38 ah Oct 15 02:30:41 Im using a firefox plugin Oct 15 02:31:12 anywy Oct 15 02:31:14 im out Oct 15 02:31:16 to bed Oct 15 02:31:19 some of the rest of you should go to bed Oct 15 02:31:21 as well Oct 15 02:31:28 you know where its like three in the morning Oct 15 02:31:36 'night Oct 15 02:31:42 night all Oct 15 02:31:45 Don't listen to him. Oct 15 02:31:48 Keep being productive. Oct 15 02:32:01 i saw that Oct 15 02:32:06 long term Oct 15 02:32:09 lol gnite Tadthebuilder Oct 15 02:32:13 theyll be more productive if they sleep Oct 15 02:32:15 We don't care about long term. Oct 15 02:32:18 oh okay Oct 15 02:32:19 bye then Oct 15 02:32:19 :P Oct 15 02:32:21 'night Oct 15 02:33:20 bacon Oct 15 02:34:55 :D Oct 15 02:37:20 * GeneralAntilles likes having a monitor that's higher res than 1080. Oct 15 02:38:02 anyone catch the bbc wn tv "article" about nokia? Oct 15 02:38:20 Wow, BBC really changed their homepage. Oct 15 02:39:15 wow Oct 15 02:39:19 it isn't red Oct 15 02:39:27 linky? Oct 15 02:41:16 their site isn't searchable Oct 15 02:41:22 finding a news article is basically impossible Oct 15 02:41:58 oh Oct 15 02:42:02 www.bbc.co.uk is green Oct 15 02:42:07 news.bbc.co.uk is red Oct 15 02:42:36 you can try http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_world_service Oct 15 02:42:46 the article will start RSN(tm) Oct 15 02:44:11 Maemo Oct 15 02:44:17 (just mentioned) Oct 15 02:44:26 the guy said it would help by the end of next year Oct 15 02:45:01 they didn't show the n900 at all :( Oct 15 02:45:13 Oct 15 02:45:50 that link doesn't go to the right place fwiw Oct 15 02:47:11 On a completely related note, the Fantastic Mr. Fox trailer looks . . . fantastic. Oct 15 02:49:16 * timeless_mbp tries to remember what was the other thing that needed a hack Oct 15 02:49:40 there was ... arg Oct 15 02:49:42 memory fail Oct 15 02:51:08 timeless, localhost net access Oct 15 02:51:20 without a connection Oct 15 02:51:28 browser should do that iirc Oct 15 02:51:36 we hacked it, unless that patch fell out Oct 15 02:51:41 heck, that hack was in diablo Oct 15 02:51:50 * lcuk nods Oct 15 02:51:56 i read the bug reports Oct 15 02:52:16 this was a string somewhere Oct 15 02:53:23 Good Morning all Oct 15 02:54:38 timeless_mbp, i want to display all contacts from the Address Book and i have run th following code Oct 15 02:55:00 #include Oct 15 02:55:01 int main (int argc, char** argv) Oct 15 02:55:01 { Oct 15 02:55:01 osso_context_t *osso_cxt; Oct 15 02:55:01 OssoABookContactModel *default_model; Oct 15 02:55:01 GtkWidget *view, *window; Oct 15 02:55:03 osso_cxt = osso_initialize (argv[0], "1.0", FALSE, NULL); Oct 15 02:55:05 osso_abook_init (&argc, &argv, osso_cxt); Oct 15 02:55:07 window = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL); Oct 15 02:55:09 default_model = osso_abook_contact_model_get_default (); Oct 15 02:55:13 view = osso_abook_contact_view_new_basic (HILDON_UI_MODE_NORMAL, Oct 15 02:55:15 default_model); Oct 15 02:55:17 gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (window), view); Oct 15 02:55:19 gtk_widget_show (view); Oct 15 02:55:21 gtk_widget_show (window); Oct 15 02:55:23 gtk_main (); Oct 15 02:55:25 } Oct 15 02:55:30 but it shows Segmentation fault (core dumped) Oct 15 02:58:08 compile w/ -g Oct 15 02:58:50 if you do that, you can get a basic stack trace if the crash is on your side Oct 15 02:58:59 there are tools to try to get -dbg packages for our stuff Oct 15 02:59:40 but if that fails, if you have crash-reporter installed, you can send a report, if you leave a comment w/ your email address and a pointer to your -dbg symbols, we can probably arrange to get you a better stack trace Oct 15 02:59:51 i don't really speak gtk/abook **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 15 02:59:56 2009