**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009 Nov 11 03:00:51 hello folks Nov 11 03:03:34 I have a prerelease N900, and it seems to not have the /opt-y goodness Nov 11 03:03:53 is there any way of telling if it's safe to flash final FW onto the device? Nov 11 03:30:35 jaem_n810, I've been here for a while and I've seen, what I've understood as, many failures Nov 11 03:51:23 * realitygaps n900 flashed successfully :) Nov 11 03:56:20 oops... I got called away Nov 11 03:56:32 realitygaps, where did you get the FW image? Nov 11 03:56:49 C'mon, Nokia, throw the users of real operating systems a break here. :( Nov 11 03:57:06 GA: ? Nov 11 03:57:23 jaem, retail image is currently only available through NSU. Nov 11 03:57:27 ah Nov 11 03:57:46 well, I have a box that I slapped a spare Windows license on a while back Nov 11 03:57:49 I guess I can use that Nov 11 03:57:54 but that is rather lame Nov 11 03:58:19 regarding my previous question, do you know if there is any issue with flashing release FW on prerelease units? Nov 11 03:58:20 hmmm, why are nokia saying released in north america but you can't actually get it in canada and be sure it'll work? Nov 11 03:58:34 work well that is Nov 11 03:58:44 jaem, at worst you may have to unpack the firmware image before flashing. Nov 11 03:58:59 oh? why? Nov 11 03:59:06 doc|work, work well? Nov 11 03:59:21 GeneralAntilles: I've heard here that people are only getting edge Nov 11 03:59:25 jaem, sometimes the PR FIASCO images don't have the prototype product codes in them. Nov 11 03:59:35 So the flasher wont want to flash the image. Nov 11 03:59:42 In which case you'll just have to do each part individually. Nov 11 03:59:44 ah, makes sense Nov 11 03:59:51 doc|work, yeah, same with AT&T in the US. Nov 11 04:00:00 The Canadian 3G frequencies are the same. Nov 11 04:00:07 So, no, no 3G for Canada or US AT&T customers. Nov 11 04:00:13 heh... earlier I was trying to look up info on that, and without thinking, searched for "N900 fiasco"... then realized that probably wasn't a useful query Nov 11 04:00:22 yep. that was my point :/ so saying released in north america is a bit misleading Nov 11 04:01:07 The cynical part of me says that was a part of the agreement with T-Mobile USA for subsidization. Nov 11 04:01:18 It works on 3G on T-Mobile :roll: Nov 11 04:01:27 Which basically means, "Nowhere" Nov 11 04:01:38 that'd be fine if they'd come out and say it and then tell us how long that dumbass policy will be in place. Nov 11 04:01:48 Yeah, it's pretty retarded. Nov 11 04:02:15 I'm not spending $700 on a phone only to have it not work to its full potential. Nov 11 04:02:23 Considering that those same frequencies are used in Latina America, Canada, some parts of Asia and Australia. Nov 11 04:02:25 So, it's not just some US customers they're fucking over. Nov 11 04:02:49 DocScrutinizer: it's not going to change, at&t and tmobile use different frequencies for high-speed data in the US as far as I'm aware Nov 11 04:03:00 er, doc|work. Autocomplete failure. Nov 11 04:03:13 dragorn, shipping a device that supports both isn't difficult. Nov 11 04:03:22 dragorn: it could change if they released more variations on the devices. Nov 11 04:03:26 GeneralAntilles: i suppose, if you care about that kind of thing Nov 11 04:03:31 hah Nov 11 04:03:33 tends to impact device cost and manuf time Nov 11 04:03:45 dragorn, to add one frequency? :) Nov 11 04:03:46 there are plenty of quad band phones Nov 11 04:03:55 much cheaper than the n900 too Nov 11 04:04:06 The GSM modem already works with it. Nov 11 04:04:19 It's just a matter of one more round of certification tests. Nov 11 04:04:20 unless I'm confusing those quad band with older technology Nov 11 04:04:35 I still say it was an agreement with T-Mobile. Nov 11 04:04:46 GeneralAntilles: not supported in the OS? Nov 11 04:05:04 doc|work, OS just sends commands to a blackbox. Nov 11 04:05:14 GeneralAntilles: so could it be hacked in? Nov 11 04:05:15 Not supported by the firmware that's loaded on the GSM module. Nov 11 04:05:18 ah Nov 11 04:05:24 Well, I'm sure it COULD. Nov 11 04:05:32 but it'd be very very difficult, right? Nov 11 04:05:38 Whether the time/money factor approaches anything even remotely sane, though. Nov 11 04:05:51 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know enough about cellular modems to say. Nov 11 04:06:39 * doc|work about to get disconnected :/ Nov 11 04:09:34 GeneralAntilles: the N900 isn't listed yet on the NSU page. Do you have a link to the download? Nov 11 04:09:53 the N810 download seems to be specific to the tablets, and I wasn't sure if the N900 was included in that designation Nov 11 04:10:31 nvm... found it Nov 11 04:22:38 hrm Nov 11 04:33:59 I'm getting "error: hildon/hildon.h: No such file or directory" when trying to compile a test program in scratchbox Nov 11 04:44:10 ugh...maemo.org is SLOW Nov 11 05:07:50 Does maemo.org take anyone else more than a minute to load a page? Nov 11 05:22:37 allo all Nov 11 05:25:54 GeneralAntilles, really? that chipset actually supports quad-band WCDMA? Nov 11 05:30:04 dmj726: yes, maemo.org is running off of a single overheated nokia 770 Nov 11 05:30:44 Despite the fact that NITs can run apache, I'm not sure I believe this. Nov 11 05:34:40 actually, for a small set of static files, an n8x0 should be fine Nov 11 05:35:04 I used to run a wiki on a zaurus 5500 Nov 11 06:25:40 Hmm...Somebody has done HP42 =) Nov 11 06:31:29 tbf: pong Nov 11 07:17:51 morngn Nov 11 07:18:36 hello tigert Nov 11 07:20:21 johnx: we ran websites on 486s with 8MB of ram, I bet a modest traffic site would run just fine on N900 :) Nov 11 07:21:03 * tigert remembers his pentium 90MHz with 16MB that ran the first versions of Gnome desktop Nov 11 07:23:19 * RST38h ran DNS, HTTPD, SMTPD, and developed applications on a single 100MHz Pentium box Nov 11 07:23:32 Worked just fine Nov 11 07:23:50 I ran httpd and sshd on microvax Nov 11 07:24:01 that was really on verge of unusable Nov 11 07:24:09 :) Nov 11 07:24:25 something like 0.6 vax mips or whatever Nov 11 07:24:36 this is what I like about free software btw Nov 11 07:24:46 whenever you can run linux or bsd on it Nov 11 07:24:52 your software will work more or less Nov 11 07:25:03 be it a toaster or a PC Nov 11 07:25:35 kirma: We had microvaxen used by 40 people at a time Nov 11 07:25:40 like, worst case, I can do design work from any pc with a ubuntu live CD Nov 11 07:25:45 kirma: checking email, news, and programming Nov 11 07:25:46 public key crypto on ssh handshake took like a minute on ssh2 Nov 11 07:25:48 gimp + inkscape Nov 11 07:25:53 kirma: :) Nov 11 07:26:18 tigert: Try current KDE on a MicroVAX Nov 11 07:26:30 tigert: Then revisit your statement Nov 11 07:26:50 RST38h: believable... if the software being run isn't written decade or two later than the system was sold Nov 11 07:27:16 RST38h: should try gnome 1.0 and gimp 0.54 on current pc :) Nov 11 07:27:35 * tigert remembers fvwm1 and GoodStuffBar Nov 11 07:27:53 windowmaker Nov 11 07:28:02 * RST38h remembers twm and olwm Nov 11 07:28:17 and athena too Nov 11 07:29:42 "The Nokia N900 Isn't A Phone, It's A Psychotic Shapeshifter" (C)Engadget Nov 11 07:30:13 Funny, how this stupid video has started gathering public interest just now. Has been out for weeks... Nov 11 07:30:39 I want engadget full handson review, or any review Nov 11 07:31:01 the 900 looks considerably thicker than 810, is it? and is it also heavier Nov 11 07:31:50 never held the 810, but I did try the 900 its not heavy at all Nov 11 07:32:05 Ave: there is plenty of n900 reviews Nov 11 07:32:42 * RST38h stands corrected: that was Gizmodo's quote =) Nov 11 07:34:19 RST38h: of production units? Nov 11 07:34:39 I better start looking closer then .. Nov 11 07:35:40 crap Nov 11 07:35:56 Ave: thicker, but smaller in other dimensions Nov 11 07:36:08 Ave: I think N810 is heavier but I could be wrong Nov 11 07:36:32 n900 sold for $833 here, you need to pay half price to reserve it Nov 11 07:36:41 810 feels quite heavy Nov 11 07:36:58 ave: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4015744009/ Nov 11 07:38:00 Ave: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4031995550/ < its not _that_ big Nov 11 07:38:11 iphone is bigger in width + height Nov 11 07:38:16 just thinner because it has no keyboard Nov 11 07:38:30 hmm nice Nov 11 07:38:32 n810 Weight: 226 g - n900 Weight: 181g Nov 11 07:38:45 eie: ok, so its lighter like I thought Nov 11 07:38:50 approaching portable isntead of luggable Nov 11 07:38:52 N810 has more metal in the casing Nov 11 07:39:03 metal is good! Nov 11 07:39:05 N810 was jacket pocketable Nov 11 07:39:10 N900 is jeans pocketable Nov 11 07:39:18 at least in my use Nov 11 07:39:36 I had n810 in my jeans pocket but its not particularly comfy Nov 11 07:39:40 and I dont listen to rap :) Nov 11 07:39:46 Ave: yeah Nov 11 07:39:52 it fits but wasnt comfy Nov 11 07:40:35 I wonder if its a good decision to buy a nokia phone the moment it arrives or Nov 11 07:40:46 wait couple of months till the fix the issues it has Nov 11 07:40:55 they* Nov 11 07:41:29 I'm gonna hold on for a while Nov 11 07:41:31 plus a drop in price Nov 11 07:41:44 I recently got htc hero and I'm pretty sold on the android paltform .. Nov 11 07:41:54 java, ugh! but other than that Nov 11 07:42:01 Ave: how is the hero in terms of speed/performance? Nov 11 07:42:18 a friend had the Tmobile android phone and it was slow as heck so he gave up on it Nov 11 07:42:20 pretty weak sauce, its the last gen cpu and all Nov 11 07:42:23 ave: is it true android will only let you open 6 apps? Nov 11 07:42:32 not modern by any means, like omap2 when you really should have omap3 Nov 11 07:42:46 but it is slick Nov 11 07:42:52 Ave: Whatever they handed out at the Summit was pretty much a production unit Nov 11 07:43:02 Ave: So you can peruse the current reviews Nov 11 07:43:22 diggernet: no, the last used apps list is 6 apps long tho Nov 11 07:43:23 anyone checked how many years of warranty you get for the n900? Nov 11 07:43:36 they told me 1 year only in here Nov 11 07:43:54 1 year is a standard Nokia warranty Nov 11 07:44:05 so no surprises there Nov 11 07:44:37 there were some nokai phones with 2 years Nov 11 07:44:49 I guess the only "modern" android phone out there is the motorola droid and I find it ugly Nov 11 07:44:55 depends from where you get it Nov 11 07:44:57 eircsson xperia following Nov 11 07:45:02 nokia 1 year us, 2 years eu Nov 11 07:46:47 1 year in .ru Nov 11 07:46:58 i year uk Nov 11 07:47:03 s/i/1 Nov 11 07:47:26 well, if it's one year in uk, just send it for repairs in some other eu country ;) Nov 11 07:47:42 heavy spec and expensive phone but only 1 year warranty Nov 11 07:47:43 so lame Nov 11 07:48:12 you get 5 years warranty for a water heater Nov 11 07:48:22 yes well, blaim your local legistlation Nov 11 07:48:38 companies tend to only give the minimim the law mandates Nov 11 07:49:00 yeap Nov 11 07:49:17 nothing new there Nov 11 07:49:22 because they want to sell a better phone next year Nov 11 07:49:58 I hope I dont buy the n900 and they release n910 january 2011 Nov 11 07:51:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet Nov 11 07:51:43 N800 January 2007 Nov 11 07:51:49 N810 October 2007 Nov 11 07:52:06 N810 WiMAX Edition April 2008 Nov 11 07:52:20 the N810 didnt stop working yesterday, you know... Nov 11 07:52:26 do the math lol Nov 11 07:53:24 Hi! I have a problem to check the signal strength on my nokia n810, I use the LibConIC Library and when i use the event.get_signal_strength...it returns a value that is very close to Intmax...what does it says about the signal strength? Plz help Nov 11 08:00:54 this may be a pointless question, but is there anyone here with an N900 who has ever reflashed it? tigert? anyone? Nov 11 08:01:09 Hi! I have a problem to check the signal strength on my nokia n810, I use the LibConIC Library and when i use the event.get_signal_strength...it returns a value that is very close to Intmax...what does it says about the signal strength? Plz help Nov 11 08:01:56 <_marcell_> diggernet: I did Nov 11 08:02:29 i have flashed one a number of times as well... Nov 11 08:03:24 Does someone know how to get the signal strength? Nov 11 08:03:31 Morning, all Nov 11 08:04:31 ah, good. I have one that was attempted to be upgraded via Nokia Software Updater, but the update failed. it won't boot, but it appears to turn on in flashing mode ok. but I can't find an image to flash to it using flasher-3.5. any suggestions? Nov 11 08:05:20 I don't think images to flash with are already publicly available Nov 11 08:05:30 <_marcell_> I only used the command line flasher with the flash image. Like with the n810 Nov 11 08:05:49 and yes, I also used the cli flasher Nov 11 08:05:54 <_marcell_> I guess you have to wait until the flash image is publicly available for the n900 Nov 11 08:07:02 is there an image available within nokia intranet somewhere, not public? Nov 11 08:07:15 <_marcell_> diggernet: yes Nov 11 08:07:17 yes, there is Nov 11 08:07:18 diggernet: I have reflashed maybe 100 times ;) Nov 11 08:07:39 diggernet: but I work for nokia, thus reflashing internal builds like every day to test them Nov 11 08:08:15 <_marcell_> I guess that everyone who has access to flash images at this point works for nokia :) Nov 11 08:08:31 or is a subcontractor Nov 11 08:08:35 I work for nokia also, but don't know where to go to find an image. :) Nov 11 08:09:29 ask your manager :) Nov 11 08:09:50 what is the gtk event i need to handle for a long tap? Nov 11 08:11:34 tigert: nokia spy!!! oh wait we want you here.. doh Nov 11 08:12:23 Xisdibik: there's very large numbers of nokians and subcontractors in here. part of community like all others Nov 11 08:12:34 Stskeeps: i know, i was jokin :) Nov 11 08:13:00 ill be much more happy once my n900 arrives :) Nov 11 08:16:37 Please, I have a project in school and have to know how to get the signal strength. Does somone know, or have a friend that knows? Nov 11 08:17:34 linfl683: libiw? Nov 11 08:19:21 Stskeeps: What is libiw? Nov 11 08:19:25 GeneralAntilles' email to -developers (should've gone to -users really) suggests that you can flash using Windows to the retail image? Nov 11 08:20:50 Xisdibik: you think I am the only one? :) Nov 11 08:21:04 Xisdibik: this is the maemo channel, where a lot of us hang around anyway Nov 11 08:21:10 tigert: nope, you guys are like flies! everywhere! ;) j/k Nov 11 08:21:27 :) Nov 11 08:22:01 if your allowed to say, was the maemo talk article about the n900's being shipped now true? Nov 11 08:22:12 is it possible to detect double tap Nov 11 08:22:53 I guess no device programme for me then :'( Nov 11 08:23:19 " Nov 11 08:23:19 The shipments of the Nokia N900 have now started. The factories are now working full speed and the devices are on their way to distribution. Nov 11 08:23:22 " Nov 11 08:23:25 Xisdibik: It's all over the Internet, including on Nokia Conversations Nov 11 08:23:26 says Ari in his blog Nov 11 08:23:33 Jaffa: yea but its hard to believe ;) Nov 11 08:23:40 http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ Nov 11 08:23:51 so it is as official as it can be :) Nov 11 08:23:54 I can't afford 500, that's so bad. Nov 11 08:24:17 is it possible to detect double tap as event Nov 11 08:24:21 * alterego dies a little inside ^.^ Nov 11 08:25:28 samad, you have to code it yourself Nov 11 08:25:48 neither can I, really, but... well. credit cards are nice =P Nov 11 08:25:49 samad, however, from what I understand at the summit, they might be thinking about "programmable events" for Maemo 6 Nov 11 08:25:58 using timer and click event?? Nov 11 08:26:09 samad, pretty much Nov 11 08:29:04 Oh, it's because my karma wasn't above 200, great .. Nov 11 08:29:05 re Nov 11 08:29:10 I heard nothing, Nov 11 08:30:58 samad, double tap is like a double click Nov 11 08:31:40 samad, you can connect to button-press-event and if the event type is GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS Nov 11 08:31:59 samad, then you have a double tap Nov 11 08:32:31 i currently am trying to figure out how to detect a long tap.... Nov 11 08:34:12 samad, in python it is gtk.gdk._2BUTTON_PRESS Nov 11 08:37:20 linfl683: library for interfacing with wireless interface Nov 11 08:40:33 I wonder, if I sell my N96 and N95 8G I'll be able to recoup enough cash to justify buying the N900 Nov 11 08:40:44 I might just buy another N810 Nov 11 08:40:49 Mine is starting to die, Nov 11 08:40:55 The touch screen is becoming very faulty. Nov 11 08:41:03 Which means, soon, I'll have no tablet. Nov 11 08:46:31 n810 prices seem to have risen on ebay/... oddly Nov 11 08:46:39 Heh Nov 11 08:46:48 Probably they know my situation :P Nov 11 08:47:23 man, I'm gonna score big time Nov 11 08:47:29 ??? profit etc Nov 11 08:47:56 : the application crashed Nov 11 08:48:08 samad, ? Nov 11 08:48:13 GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS Nov 11 08:48:29 with the event Nov 11 08:48:38 samad, you need to listen for button-press-event and check the event's type is _GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS Nov 11 08:51:27 g_signal_connect (my_plugin, GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS, Nov 11 08:51:28 G_CALLBACK (home_on_button_double_tap_event), NULL) Nov 11 08:52:00 no no Nov 11 08:52:03 i use the line and create the method Nov 11 08:52:18 g_signal_connect (my_plugin, "button-press-event", ...... Nov 11 08:52:39 and then in your callback, check event.type == _GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS Nov 11 08:52:51 ok Nov 11 08:53:41 Fuck it, I'm going to buy it. Nov 11 08:53:52 haha Nov 11 08:53:52 * alterego orders N900 Nov 11 08:54:12 you'll get so bad buyers remorse Nov 11 08:54:20 no sleep tonoght Nov 11 08:54:21 I don't care. Nov 11 08:54:30 I need it, Nov 11 08:54:35 My N810 is dying, Nov 11 08:54:50 This is going to split me and my gf up for sure though Nov 11 08:54:55 So, two birds one stone ^.^ Nov 11 08:55:03 yay, rationalization Nov 11 08:55:37 I'm a gadget geek so it wouldnt cause a break up Nov 11 08:55:41 a small spat perhaps Nov 11 08:59:42 Ok, so, on my 810, the default Media Player applet seems to be stuck using an out of date media list Nov 11 08:59:54 and I have no clu ehow to get it to refresh like Canola. Nov 11 09:00:08 any ideas? Nov 11 09:03:50 where in hildon is it defined what the threshold for a long tap is? Nov 11 09:08:13 That's Gtk+ not hildon, I believe Nov 11 09:08:47 where in gtk+ is it? :) Nov 11 09:08:48 Actually, Nov 11 09:08:59 Ang on, I think I've got it somewhere. Nov 11 09:09:12 and is there a threshold or recommended way of detecting it? Nov 11 09:10:04 is there release date for maemo 6? Nov 11 09:10:18 eie, 2010 sometime is what was mentioned Nov 11 09:11:07 zaheerm 1st/2nd/3rd quarter? Nov 11 09:11:23 Heh Nov 11 09:12:30 so much talks about n900 and maemo 6 Nov 11 09:12:34 any idea if we can update the n900 to maemo 6? Nov 11 09:12:45 eie, I'm pretty sure that's a yes. Nov 11 09:16:23 zaheerm-lp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-June/000257.html Nov 11 09:16:27 I don't know if that's helpful Nov 11 09:18:09 alterego, awesome, wonder why i don't see this documented anywhere in maemo5 docs Nov 11 09:18:17 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/gtk/GtkWidget.html Nov 11 09:18:22 It's there at the bottom ;) Nov 11 09:19:14 Are yopu interested in the timeout or do you want to use the event? Nov 11 09:19:25 are there any maemo python tutorials/examples? Nov 11 09:19:37 alterego, the event, i didn't see it :) Nov 11 09:20:05 Ah, okay Nov 11 09:20:07 alterego, i saw long tap in the hildon ui pdf thing and a search for that got me nothing on google and on maemo.org! Nov 11 09:21:16 Well, the tap-and-hold event looks like what you need, registerable on any object derived from GtkWidget (obviously ;) and if you want to ge tthe state, you can query the GObject property "tap-and-hold-state" Nov 11 09:21:53 alterego: eie: re "any idea if we can update the n900 to maemo 6?" .... I wouldn't count on it Nov 11 09:21:58 You might need to call "gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup()" before you use it. Nov 11 09:22:08 lbt, well, Mer then :) Nov 11 09:22:10 zaheerm-lp : the double tap also creates two single tap Nov 11 09:22:16 it's possible... but there was no commitment at the summit Nov 11 09:22:24 followed by double tab Nov 11 09:22:36 If it happens within the first half of next year, I'd be surpised if it wasn't available. Nov 11 09:22:43 samad, yes it does Nov 11 09:22:44 how can i distinguished it Nov 11 09:22:59 I raised the point that a transition from M5 (gtk) to M6 (Qt) without *any* live device testing and making M6 "mass market" was...... insane Nov 11 09:23:06 samad: just register the for the double tap even and ignore the single tap event. Nov 11 09:23:23 Oh, they're moving completely to Qt?! Nov 11 09:23:27 * alterego vomits Nov 11 09:23:30 I mean ... YAY! Nov 11 09:23:54 But I need to detect single tab and double tab both Nov 11 09:23:54 gtk will still have community support Nov 11 09:24:08 samad, what widget? Nov 11 09:24:47 applet main window Nov 11 09:25:36 heya all Nov 11 09:25:41 morning wazd Nov 11 09:26:53 alterego: indeed thay have made that most excellent decision :) Nov 11 09:35:48 alterego, :But I need to detect single tab and double tab both Nov 11 09:37:57 are there any maemo python tutorials/examples? Nov 11 09:38:04 dmj726, plenty Nov 11 09:38:19 dmj726, what kind of example do you want? Nov 11 09:38:32 something simple Nov 11 09:38:42 f = u'hello' Nov 11 09:38:43 I just want to get a simple graphical app going. Nov 11 09:38:43 print f Nov 11 09:39:33 dmj726, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/z/zoutube/zoutube_0.1-4.tar.gz Nov 11 09:40:08 dmj726, there is only one source file there, it is a pretty small app and it has a gstreamer video windget in there too Nov 11 09:40:41 any idea?? Nov 11 09:41:32 samad, all i can suggest is you add a timer when receiving first button-release and if the 2nd tap hasn't been detected by then say it is a single tap Nov 11 09:41:49 samad, but there may be a better way..... Nov 11 09:45:58 how do I bring up a terminal in scratchbox? Nov 11 09:51:03 dmj726, you're already in a terminal :) Nov 11 10:06:43 hmm unable to load Nov 11 10:08:51 does maemo 5 come with python 2.5? Nov 11 10:15:20 hi all, is there a way to get a map of egypt for 'maps'? Nov 11 10:16:28 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10724_A_Qt_powered_S60_interface_loo.php Nov 11 10:16:32 GuySoft: Which "Maps"? N900 Ovi Maps or N8x0 Wayfinder Maps Nov 11 10:16:44 Take alook (some apps appear to be using S60 still) Nov 11 10:17:10 Jaffa Wayfinder N810 Nov 11 10:18:17 Jaffa if there is any other vector map that would do too.. Nov 11 10:18:18 GuySoft: Only data is available to download from http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/wfnavigator/ - I dunno if any of those include Egypt Nov 11 10:18:52 Morning, all Nov 11 10:19:58 Jaffa they dont Nov 11 10:20:49 GuySoft: Only other option, if you want vector, is OpenStreetMap in GPXView (for example) Nov 11 10:20:50 middle east is strangely the areb states Nov 11 10:22:51 Jaffa is there another way to get a navigation tool for that area? Nov 11 10:23:12 RST38h, it's a layer only Nov 11 10:23:35 GuySoft: Maemo Mapper uses bitmaps, e.g. from Google Maps Nov 11 10:24:02 Jaffa, yes but no svg Nov 11 10:24:16 GuySoft: Indeed. Nov 11 10:24:29 GuySoft: Those are your options AIUI Nov 11 10:24:38 Jaffa, also, ii need to have it offline Nov 11 10:24:55 mapper needs a connection Nov 11 10:25:15 There are various openstreetmap progtrams that might run, but would need variable amounts of hacking. Nov 11 10:25:23 including offline. Look at the wiki Nov 11 10:25:29 (the openstreetmap wiki) Nov 11 10:27:01 opwnstreetmap does not have all the streets, isnt there a way to get maemo mapper to work offline? Nov 11 10:27:57 GuySoft: Maemo Mapper only needs a connection for navigation. It can show maps and location using pre-downloaded data Nov 11 10:29:04 Jaffa, i know, is there a way to tell it to download a area in advance? Nov 11 10:30:25 hmm I like the application manager now that I know about red pill mode Nov 11 10:31:25 dmj726 apt-get stilll is better in solving some things Nov 11 10:34:54 is there a way to get mapper to have offfline maps? Nov 11 10:46:31 Also, you can add streets to OSM - but yes. Nov 11 10:46:43 zaheerm-lp: any ideas why zoutube would fail? Nov 11 10:48:21 hi, is it normal, that I can't change the server addresses of an IMAP account in modest Nov 11 10:50:51 * RST38h responds to an Oct2009's comment. Was that the right thing to do? Nov 11 10:52:58 dmj726, fail where? Nov 11 10:53:13 it shows the window opening, then fails. Nov 11 10:53:23 ...takes a few seconds to fail though Nov 11 10:53:35 dmj726, did you install it as a package? Nov 11 10:53:39 yes Nov 11 10:53:40 dmj726, and how do you run it? Nov 11 10:53:45 from the menu icon? Nov 11 10:53:51 yes Nov 11 10:54:36 is navit worth anything? Nov 11 10:54:38 ok, try running it in a terminal: /opt/zoutube/zoutube Nov 11 10:55:06 or if you're on scratchbox, do: run-standalone.sh /opt/zoutube/zoutube Nov 11 10:55:40 heh at qwertz Nov 11 10:55:44 ImportError: No module named hildon Nov 11 10:55:59 Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 11 10:55:59 File "/opt/zoutube/zoutube", line 39, in Nov 11 10:55:59 import hildon Nov 11 10:55:59 ImportError: No module named hildon Nov 11 10:55:59 dmj726, in device or scratchbox? Nov 11 10:56:06 scrathbox Nov 11 10:56:19 I wish I could get it to fail on the device I don't have Nov 11 10:57:00 dmj726, ah looks like i missed a dep Nov 11 10:57:27 dmj726, install python-hildon Nov 11 10:57:51 dmj726, in meantime i'll build a new package Nov 11 10:59:23 I don't see a hildon-python Nov 11 11:00:34 dmj726: it is "python-hildon" Nov 11 11:00:37 apt-cache search python-hildon Nov 11 11:00:37 python-hildon - Python bindings for Hildon Framework. Nov 11 11:01:13 yeah...it seems to be missing Nov 11 11:01:52 dmj726: do you have the extras-devel repository added to your scratchbox target /etc/apt/sources.list ? Nov 11 11:02:24 I just tried to install another python app and it says it can't install it. Nov 11 11:02:26 yes Nov 11 11:02:39 lizardo, python-hildon is not in extras or extras-testing ? Nov 11 11:03:11 zaheerm: it is in testing Nov 11 11:03:30 zaheerm: but for scratchbox development it is recommended to have extras-devel in /etc/apt/sources.list Nov 11 11:03:32 oops Nov 11 11:03:35 didn't do testing Nov 11 11:03:40 just extras and devel Nov 11 11:03:42 adding now Nov 11 11:03:45 yes so he needs extras-testing Nov 11 11:03:49 :) Nov 11 11:04:32 dmj726: I don't believe that's the issue, because in this case you would have pulled the package from extras-devel... something else is missing :) Nov 11 11:05:22 is python-hildon in -devel and -testing? Nov 11 11:05:34 zaheerm: yes, it is in both repositories Nov 11 11:05:42 ok Nov 11 11:06:12 seems like python bindings are somehow an issue Nov 11 11:06:23 pidgin works fine Nov 11 11:07:16 zaheerm: the main reason to have extras-devel in your scratchbox target is because the autobuilder also has it, so if you don't have it in your target you might risk using a dependency whose version is older than the one that will be promoted to extras-testing... Nov 11 11:07:38 lizardo, understood Nov 11 11:07:42 breakfast time :) brb Nov 11 11:11:19 I don't see python-hildon in anyof the repos Nov 11 11:11:50 dmj726, can you pastebin your sources.list Nov 11 11:12:59 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free Nov 11 11:13:00 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free Nov 11 11:13:00 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free Nov 11 11:13:00 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free Nov 11 11:13:00 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries Nov 11 11:13:24 Nokia's gonna be after your ass, now... Nov 11 11:13:44 ? Nov 11 11:14:13 Exaggeration, but your nokia-binaries token shouldn't be shared Nov 11 11:14:18 oh Nov 11 11:14:26 Nobody look Nov 11 11:15:27 dmj726, i see no extras-devel Nov 11 11:15:42 added in the app manager Nov 11 11:16:53 btw python-hildon def in extras-devel http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/python-hildon/ Nov 11 11:17:59 dmj726, add to sources.list: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Nov 11 11:17:59 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Nov 11 11:21:41 still no Nov 11 11:24:35 did you: apt-get update ? Nov 11 11:24:51 then: fakeroot apt-get install python-hildon Nov 11 11:25:02 or fakeroot apt-get update even Nov 11 11:25:12 before fakeroot apt-get install python-hildon Nov 11 11:26:27 aha! Nov 11 11:27:06 works aside from the fact that carl sagan is now blue Nov 11 11:30:29 dmj726, blame scratchbox video acceleration i think :) Nov 11 11:32:33 heh, all your video going over loopback Nov 11 11:32:51 bug 4870 Nov 11 11:32:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK Nov 11 11:33:16 dmj726, works properly in the device i assure you :) Nov 11 11:33:31 morning Nov 11 11:35:04 I'm sure nokia wouldn't release a device with reversed colors Nov 11 11:35:32 I hope not anyway Nov 11 11:37:39 in scratchbox why would I be able to run links repository.maemo.org and have it load correctly, but not resolv repoisitory.maemo.org for apt-get update? Nov 11 11:37:59 qwerty12: well your changes run, as expected ;) Nov 11 11:38:10 lardman: With toolbar? Nov 11 11:38:27 yeah Nov 11 11:38:44 Knock yourself out with the rest ;) Nov 11 11:38:49 but the Fremantle toolbar is larger than the gtk one, so we lose even more space Nov 11 11:39:22 I found an email about rebasing the menu, so that's a start Nov 11 11:39:34 It's all in the name of finger-friendliness... Repeat after me: finger-friendliness, finger-friendliness... Nov 11 11:39:38 am considering iterating through menu items and adding them to a hildon menu Nov 11 11:39:44 lol yeah Nov 11 11:39:56 well one of those pop up toolbars like the browser sounds like a plan to me ;) Nov 11 11:40:45 also having the sidebar pop up would be better use of the screen Nov 11 11:40:54 will have to look through the widget list and see what would do the job Nov 11 11:40:58 ~lart guis Nov 11 11:40:58 * infobot installs a bad bootloader on guis and turns guis into a brick Nov 11 11:43:59 Hey, it's working Nov 11 11:45:24 * lardman is disappointed no-one has commented about libaddress Nov 11 11:46:11 jeremiah, can you remove maemo-recorder 0.3.0 from the -testing repository? it has been superseded by Recorder 0.3.1 which is also already in -testing Nov 11 11:46:44 * lardman thinks package authors need a way of removing their own packages Nov 11 11:47:11 some day the admins will be pissed enough :) Nov 11 11:47:36 * lardman sends beer Nov 11 11:47:55 lardman, yes. Nov 11 11:48:43 so would a hildon_ui_manager thing be acceptable, even though it avoids people needing to re-write their menus? :) Nov 11 11:49:09 lardman: That was discussed in the #maemo-meeting regarding the QA process, and it was suggested that a thumb down by the maintainer on the package would allow for its removal from the QA list at least. Now if only we could get our stuff removed from extras-devel... Nov 11 11:49:39 qwerty12: thanks, I'll have a read of the minutes Nov 11 11:54:29 zaheerm-lp: Good news! I'm able to tweak the zoutube app. Bad news! I've managed to mangle the GUI! Nov 11 11:55:54 dmj726, great Nov 11 11:57:46 dmj726, woo Nov 11 11:58:36 thanks for all your help! Nov 11 11:59:21 * dmj726 probably shouldn't've stayed up until 6am, but oh well. Nov 11 12:01:18 dmj726, you're on IRC... that's a given ;) Nov 11 12:03:25 This maemo system is great (speaking from scratchbox experience only of course) Nov 11 12:03:46 dmj726: you must be using a different sb to the rest of us ;) Nov 11 12:03:56 It does lag Nov 11 12:04:12 But I can really feel the awesomeness of the OS. Nov 11 12:04:38 Mostly, it's the apps that are convincing me of this. Nov 11 12:05:08 Most of my day-to-day apps are already ported, or there is an equivalent. Nov 11 12:06:13 * lardman takes one look at the GtkUiManager code and decides that writing your own is a better bet Nov 11 12:06:27 hehe scratchbox on my 1.2ghz laptop with inferior intel graphics really sux Nov 11 12:06:44 I never use the graphics stuff in sb Nov 11 12:07:56 Pidgin is nice Nov 11 12:08:45 off-the-record should be ported though Nov 11 12:09:21 if it's not integrated I'm not insterested Nov 11 12:09:46 it could use some tweaking, but I'm glad it's here. Nov 11 12:10:46 lots of apps in the works though. Nov 11 12:11:34 VDVsx: Have you seen mgedmin? Nov 11 12:11:45 I would love to get the logs from yesterday. :) Nov 11 12:12:02 jeremiah, nop :( Nov 11 12:13:02 :) Nov 11 12:13:11 I'll send him an email. :) Nov 11 12:16:17 anyone yet hacked the flash leds of the camera to use them as lights? dimmed? Nov 11 12:16:44 jo Nov 11 12:16:49 wouldn't that drain the power fast? Nov 11 12:17:07 tank-man: I bet it would. Nov 11 12:17:11 hi woglinde :) Nov 11 12:17:12 ~karma Nov 11 12:17:13 woglinde has neutral karma Nov 11 12:17:16 pff Nov 11 12:17:27 It would make an awesome flashlight for short periods of time though Nov 11 12:17:38 dmj726, the telepathy haze plugins should remove any need to use pidgin Nov 11 12:17:47 ...and you're guaranteed to be the only one around with a phone that does it. Nov 11 12:18:03 tank-man: dimmed, not full power, the heat wont be manageable anyways Nov 11 12:18:05 I have doubts that the LEDs will be rated to be run all the time Nov 11 12:18:12 camera flashes usually aren't directly powered by a battery, they are powered by a capacitor, which is powered by the battery Nov 11 12:18:13 you will need to PWM them at 25% or so I suspect Nov 11 12:18:18 It will still be quite bright Nov 11 12:18:21 cehteh, peter demonstrated it at a conf Nov 11 12:18:21 tank-man: not LEd flashes Nov 11 12:18:24 jo cehteh Nov 11 12:18:35 tank-man: typically anyway Nov 11 12:18:38 SpeedEvil: exactly Nov 11 12:18:45 maybe even 10% or less Nov 11 12:18:49 hm only 11 karma points Nov 11 12:18:50 * lcuk already has a torch on n900 tho Nov 11 12:18:59 strangely enough it works on n810 too ;) Nov 11 12:19:11 lcuk: Sure - it's very inefficient, compared to the LEDs - in terms of power use. Nov 11 12:19:11 they will pretty instantly overheat at full power Nov 11 12:19:16 apply lighter fluid to plastic parts, add spark Nov 11 12:19:23 lcuk, just got my N900 today - liqflow is pretty sweet Nov 11 12:19:26 why uploading apps to extras dont count as karma Nov 11 12:19:36 woglinde: good point Nov 11 12:19:37 jaem: Did you purchase it? Nov 11 12:19:37 jaem: have you installed my package? :) Nov 11 12:19:47 perhaps # of downloads would be better though Nov 11 12:19:51 lardman thanks Nov 11 12:19:54 jaem, then do a full testing cycle and rate it please http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ Nov 11 12:19:55 SpeedEvil, no - prerelease loaner through my uni Nov 11 12:20:03 ah Nov 11 12:20:04 timeless_mbp, which one? Nov 11 12:20:06 not just liqflow, but do as many of the apps as possible Nov 11 12:20:23 its cool and only a start :) Nov 11 12:20:26 lcuk, I'll see what I can do, but this week is killer paper week >_< Nov 11 12:20:48 ok :P just liqflow then since you have tested it Nov 11 12:21:02 what do you know the telepathy plugins add support for all the IM accounts I use Nov 11 12:21:08 SpeedEvil, apparently my prof convinced someone at Dev Days to loan him a couple, since the one we ordered wasn't going to be here in time :P Nov 11 12:21:13 WHy aren't these plugins bundled? Nov 11 12:21:13 it's pretty awesome Nov 11 12:21:46 jaem: neat. Nov 11 12:22:42 I noticed the camera app I used popped up a banner saying that image quality depends on hardware and firmware revision... does anyone know if the release models have better webcam quality? I sincerely hope so Nov 11 12:22:56 zaheerm-lp: Why aren't the telepathy plugins included? Nov 11 12:22:59 jaem: reportedly not. Nov 11 12:23:05 dmj726, ask nokia Nov 11 12:23:12 SpeedEvil, :/ Nov 11 12:23:17 how's the "webcam" quality? Like N8x0? Nov 11 12:23:18 jaem: the front webcam anyway is likely to be bad - simply as it's a chip probably costing $1 Nov 11 12:23:21 they quadruple the usefulness of the IM client Nov 11 12:23:28 ShadowJK, mine is worse, from what I can see Nov 11 12:23:36 SpeedEvil, fair enough, but mine is pretty awful Nov 11 12:23:55 is that indoors or outdoors? Nov 11 12:24:04 As long as it's usable enough for video conferencing. Nov 11 12:24:19 well it prolly wont draw much power, Nov 11 12:24:26 ShadowJK, both, although the lighting in my dorm isn't great, so it may not be as bad I as I think Nov 11 12:24:32 dmj726, it is, but it isn't pretty Nov 11 12:25:22 is it good enough to check if you have helmet hair? Nov 11 12:25:23 i am tinking about having an app capturing 1 frame per minute and store it (if its not dark) .. gettings some history from where i have been, and just in case it gets stolen, uploading this to my server :) Nov 11 12:25:28 out of curiousity, does the Internets have any pictures of the retail packaging yet, that anyone knows of? Nov 11 12:25:32 dmj726, probably Nov 11 12:25:44 cehteh, Diablo has something similar Nov 11 12:25:46 if it does those, it's good enough for me. Nov 11 12:25:48 also some gesture recognition with vga cam would be nice :) Nov 11 12:26:03 Nlol Nov 11 12:26:03 * jaem points and laughs at dmj726's helmet hair Nov 11 12:26:06 well and i want to experiment with cryted filesystem :P Nov 11 12:26:14 Also motion would be good. Nov 11 12:26:18 the one downside to having a bike on campus. Nov 11 12:26:30 Set it up on the little kick-stand, so it goes 'bing' when someone comes into frame Nov 11 12:26:32 dmj726, heh... yeah Nov 11 12:26:39 cehteh: you'll want otr too then! Nov 11 12:26:51 SpeedEvil, Bing, as in "Bing Is Not Google"? ;) Nov 11 12:26:52 webcam on such a device should do hardware mpeg4 to offload cpu Nov 11 12:26:54 cehteh: you're on lumiera, right? Nov 11 12:26:59 face recognition for login/unlock would be nice too Nov 11 12:27:04 dmj726: yes Nov 11 12:27:05 save power Nov 11 12:27:22 jaem: no, bing as in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc Nov 11 12:27:42 (0:15) Nov 11 12:29:21 * timeless_mbp chuckles Nov 11 12:29:29 * timeless_mbp needs a component for bugs in zenity Nov 11 12:30:03 SpeedEvil, heh... that's "Ping!" Nov 11 12:30:06 hrm Nov 11 12:30:17 how the heck does one actually get a yes-no dialog in maemo5? Nov 11 12:31:08 g'night, #maemo Nov 11 12:31:33 will the question to a yes-no dialog be something like you "Do you not want to not switch the foo off-switch off?" Nov 11 12:31:47 yes! Nov 11 12:32:21 * Stskeeps ponders buying a ss4200 Nov 11 12:32:35 stskeep what? Nov 11 12:32:46 I'm guessing it's a hovertank. Nov 11 12:33:04 * SpeedEvil ponders finishing off his design sketch of a hoverboard. Nov 11 12:34:00 woglinde: intel nas Nov 11 12:34:04 hackable, too Nov 11 12:34:17 serial port joy :) Nov 11 12:34:41 hm nas Nov 11 12:35:29 and kinda cheap Nov 11 12:35:43 is there a download manager dbus service i can just call in maemo? Nov 11 12:36:00 while we're talking about input, does anyone want to look at why flite won't output directly to the speakers? Nov 11 12:36:19 well flite is output of course, but pocketsphinx also works and that's input ;) Nov 11 12:36:27 lardman gstreamer problem? Nov 11 12:36:56 not gstreamer, though I should try building that element, it uses alsa Nov 11 12:37:18 lardman wouldnt it be saner to let it uses gstreamer? Nov 11 12:37:41 <_|Nix|_> *sigh* ... is there nobody who can make me the maintainer of pidgin? I've already uploaded, like 4 versions of it, but I can't promote it to extras-testing because I'm not the maintainer. I'm not the maintainer because somebody named "Jonny Lamb" uploaded a different version earlier. Probably the one from Diablo. Nov 11 12:38:05 woglinde: sure, but the gstreamer plugin is separate, and I was just trying to test my flite build Nov 11 12:38:07 Presumably Jonny could Nov 11 12:38:23 you could email him or message him (he's jonnylamb on IRC) Nov 11 12:38:24 nix there should be an email Nov 11 12:38:31 write to him Nov 11 12:38:36 <_|Nix|_> Oh, OK. Nov 11 12:38:37 hm Nov 11 12:38:52 wjt hm let me check whats the debian package is Nov 11 12:38:53 or you could talk to him on XMPP (using his email address as his JID) Nov 11 12:39:18 ah okay Nov 11 12:39:26 ari is debian maintainer Nov 11 12:40:55 _|Nix|_: have you clicked the "Request to be made a maintainer" in the packages/ page? Nov 11 12:42:08 <_|Nix|_> Jaffa: I have. Nov 11 12:42:19 <_|Nix|_> Jaffa: At least, the button is not there anymore. Nov 11 12:43:14 _|Nix|_: OK, so an email asking him to follow up on that seems sensible; escalating it to -developers if you think you need to break the process as the maintainer is uncontactable. Nov 11 12:43:35 <_|Nix|_> Jaffa: Well, I've /msg-ed him now. Nov 11 12:44:56 grr...cannot join #maemo from maemo Nov 11 12:45:12 ? Nov 11 12:45:30 from maemo? Nov 11 12:45:35 the conversations app won't let me join a channel Nov 11 12:45:50 you mean the device? Nov 11 12:46:07 oh, the telepathy irc plugin? Nov 11 12:46:07 yeah (maemo 5 in scratchbox Nov 11 12:46:10 Maemo 5 "Conversations" has no support for multi-user chat in the UI Nov 11 12:46:11 yes Nov 11 12:46:19 yea, there is no group chat in the chat app Nov 11 12:46:24 dmj726: Use irssi in X Terminal or an IRC client such as X-Chat Nov 11 12:46:28 hopefully it can be added somehow. Nov 11 12:46:44 dmj726: +1 Nov 11 12:47:42 lack of group chat, otr, and default inclusion of more im protocols are the only weaknesses of the conversations app. Nov 11 12:48:20 I'm not sure the protocols can be included Nov 11 12:48:23 legally Nov 11 12:48:33 or at least that was my understanding, hazy though Nov 11 12:48:37 woglinde: what's the basic audio system of maemo anyway? OSS (/dev/dsp)? Generic ALSA-devices? some special maemo-proprietary? Nov 11 12:48:46 pulseaudio Nov 11 12:48:48 DocScrutinizer, pulseaudio Nov 11 12:49:04 DocScrutinizer, but you can use alsa and it will use pulse's alsa emulation Nov 11 12:49:06 hmm, never knew PA has generic soundcard drivers Nov 11 12:49:31 well maemo has multiple audio out possibilities Nov 11 12:50:00 bluetooth audio as well as internal speakers and headphones Nov 11 12:50:09 sure Nov 11 12:50:11 dmj726: Also, having the extra protocols external means not having to wait for Nokia to ship an update if the format changes. Nov 11 12:50:46 plus mixing requirements etc. from different apps Nov 11 12:51:03 so pulseaudio is the lowest level layer that should be used Nov 11 12:51:17 the alsa implementation is above pulseaudio in the stack Nov 11 12:51:28 lardman: "hazy" is a perfect word for that since you need to install telepathy-haze.. ;) Nov 11 12:52:22 zaheerm: I'm aware there are janus-adapters PA->ALSA, ALSA->PA, even OSS->ALSA Nov 11 12:52:30 Jaffa: I see the point, but most users aren't going to find it and will assume they can't do aim, yahoo, msn, etc Nov 11 12:52:50 dmj726, that's why these should be upgraded to extras and also maemo select Nov 11 12:53:11 zaheerm: but I never seen a soundcard driver that's not based on ALSA - though I have to admit I didn't a thorough search Nov 11 12:53:28 DocScrutinizer, the low level sound driver is an alsa driver Nov 11 12:53:30 maemo select would be my vote Nov 11 12:53:35 DocScrutinizer, just it is not usable on the device Nov 11 12:53:58 aah, ok. So that's what I expected, basically Nov 11 12:54:01 DocScrutinizer, pulseaudio has control of the hw audio Nov 11 12:54:19 dmj726: Which is why the various account plugins currently in extras-testing need polishing and pushing into Extras Nov 11 12:54:34 Or, "maemo.org Applications" as the next Maemo 5 version will call it. Nov 11 12:54:57 zaheerm: thanks for the explanations :-) Nov 11 12:55:07 Jaffa, when will that naming happen? Nov 11 12:55:30 they're not really extras, more like essentials Nov 11 12:55:59 hi ;) Nov 11 12:56:21 hi people Nov 11 12:57:13 one question: if I buy the n900 in america it will work with eurpoean carriers? Nov 11 12:57:28 hope not to be offtopic Nov 11 12:57:31 :) Nov 11 12:58:27 it should. Nov 11 12:58:40 It will have the same radios Nov 11 12:59:20 very cool Nov 11 12:59:39 I have doubts for power supply Nov 11 12:59:40 also Nov 11 13:00:13 beatpanic, usb charging, works everywhere Nov 11 13:00:24 tekojo, fantastic =) Nov 11 13:00:26 ok I'm fine Nov 11 13:00:31 thanks :) Nov 11 13:00:37 us naturally has a different charger as the wall plugs are different Nov 11 13:00:41 tekojo, yep Nov 11 13:01:01 chargers usually are 110-240V pretty much everywhere, arent they? Nov 11 13:01:14 the chargers are 110-240v Nov 11 13:01:29 my eee pc charger works across the pond Nov 11 13:01:34 but a micro-usb charger from europe should cost pennies Nov 11 13:02:40 yes, chargers are universal, if only travelling, bathrooms usually have universal wall plugs too :-) Nov 11 13:03:08 zaheerm: According to qgil the December maintenance release will include "maemo.org Applications" enabled by default Nov 11 13:03:27 Jaffa, enabled by default, awesome Nov 11 13:03:32 cool Nov 11 13:04:20 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3279#c10 Nov 11 13:04:21 Bug 3279: Streamlining user access to the Extras repository Nov 11 13:06:06 Stop being awesome Jaffa. Nov 11 13:06:26 man Nov 11 13:06:39 that asylum video is still making me wtf :D Nov 11 13:07:53 jeremiah_: Don't worry; I'm running out of awesomeness. I expect someone's leaching it from me. Nov 11 13:08:24 http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1438608&cid=30052710 Nov 11 13:10:09 tekojo: linux flashable image on its way? Nov 11 13:10:11 "The 300 Nokia N900 devices we loaned in the Maemo Summit include software release from early October. This software cannot be updated with Nokia Software Update (NSU) even if NSU identifies the software we are shipping now i.e. 42-11. This is due to updates in the lower software stack in the pre-production models. People would need to use a special software that is able to update the lower stacks of the software of the devices. We are cu Nov 11 13:10:11 rrently investigating whether and how we can enable this." Nov 11 13:10:22 n900 firmware that is Nov 11 13:10:48 zaheerm: ... eek. Nov 11 13:10:55 zaheerm: Erk Nov 11 13:11:06 If that's the case, I might be returning this handset sooner than planned :-/ Nov 11 13:11:07 that is from Peter@Maemo Nov 11 13:11:18 zaheerm: Let me guess, this is somewhere in the pits of despair and villainy that is tmo? Nov 11 13:12:00 Jaffa, yah http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 Nov 11 13:12:02 interesting that n900 gets mentioned in th slashdot comments Nov 11 13:12:05 mikkov_ coming, coming. Just a bit of patience more Nov 11 13:12:09 if 42-11 would flash onto a n810 Nov 11 13:12:13 err, if only Nov 11 13:12:44 Hopefully that is not the case with the developer program N900s Nov 11 13:13:08 And one has to send the N900s from the summit back anyway, so this is not that big a deal. Nov 11 13:13:13 mgedmin: Hi :) Nov 11 13:13:24 hi! Nov 11 13:13:25 Do you have logs from yesterday's QA meeting? Nov 11 13:13:28 =] Nov 11 13:13:34 I should Nov 11 13:13:36 lemmesee Nov 11 13:13:40 cool beans. Nov 11 13:13:50 I failed to get irssi to log it. :/ Nov 11 13:14:06 zaheerm I think that test translates roughly to : you need to use the flashing tool, not NSU Nov 11 13:14:18 s/test/text Nov 11 13:14:39 tekojo, ok, the "whether" part is the bit that troubled me :) Nov 11 13:15:03 jeremiah_, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog Nov 11 13:15:17 mgedmin: Thank you! Nov 11 13:15:53 zaheerm funny choise of wording, I agree Nov 11 13:16:35 tekojo, :) ok i guess from your comments its a matter of time and not if it will happen Nov 11 13:18:05 zaheerm yes it will happen, and the time frame isn't hopefully too long either Nov 11 13:18:15 morning stemosco! Nov 11 13:21:17 tekojo, great Nov 11 13:22:17 tekojo: that's a relief! Nov 11 13:23:14 * ccooke was worried for a while that his wife would have a prime opportunity to get back at him for getting the tablet first ;-) Nov 11 13:23:51 no, just a question of how to do things, not a question of whether to do things Nov 11 13:24:50 * dmj726 suspects his mum has her eye on an n900 Nov 11 13:24:55 (I am so looking forward to her tablet arriving (hopefully next week)... she keeps stealing mine) Nov 11 13:25:48 ccooke, luckily my wife has her own...though i can iomagine our bill to be a lot come april when we have to send ours back Nov 11 13:28:29 tekojo: eMMC changes which need to be flashed? Nov 11 13:28:50 Jaffa ... let me check that one Nov 11 13:29:03 zaheerm: ah, you were both at the summit? Nov 11 13:29:12 Most immediate thing which springs to my mind if NSU can't handle the update Nov 11 13:29:14 ccooke, yep Nov 11 13:29:16 any news on the n900 firmware image? Nov 11 13:29:20 zaheerm: very nice. Nov 11 13:29:26 Does M5 not use an evolution backend? Nov 11 13:29:38 mgedmin: read up, we're just talking about it. Nov 11 13:29:41 alterego: For what? It uses Evolution for contacts, calendar, ... Nov 11 13:29:41 Jaffa no that's not it. Actually the emmc should be fine Nov 11 13:29:47 tekojo: Oh, interesting. Nov 11 13:29:55 Jaffa, that's what I thought, just couldn't see it in the API reference. Nov 11 13:29:57 mgedmin, zaheerm yes it will happen, and the time frame isn't hopefully too long either Nov 11 13:30:12 Jaffa the user guide may be outdated, but that doesn't matter Nov 11 13:30:12 okay, so not yet Nov 11 13:30:21 alterego: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API#Evolution_Data_Server Nov 11 13:30:26 tekojo: I've never read it ;-) Nov 11 13:30:32 Oh, found it :) Nov 11 13:30:40 Heh, yeah, was being blind Nov 11 13:30:55 Jaffa, I usually delete it as a last resort when I run out of space Nov 11 13:31:16 zaheerm: My wife was due a phone upgrade, so I grabber her one through mobilephonesdirect.co.uk. Given she already had a reasonably high-cost contract, it's only going to cost us another £5 a month :-) Nov 11 13:31:55 What's the relationship between evolution and "calendar-backend" ? Nov 11 13:32:19 ccooke, my upgrade was due in february, so i switched to a simplicty one month at a time contract...hers has 6 months to go Nov 11 13:32:21 btw is there something special needed to make app icon to be displayed in fremantle? i've got a 26*26 png and it's set in .desktop file Nov 11 13:32:39 SVG! :P Nov 11 13:32:46 but only the blue default icon is displayed Nov 11 13:33:02 cosmo: in app menu or in app manager? Nov 11 13:33:18 menu Nov 11 13:33:31 where did you put the png? Nov 11 13:34:07 hmm Nov 11 13:34:10 cosmo: 26x26 icons aren't used in the menu Nov 11 13:34:20 so how the heck does this conboy sync stuff work in conboy unstable? Nov 11 13:34:25 or does it? Nov 11 13:34:43 zaheerm: /usr/share/icons/app/ Nov 11 13:34:45 cosmo: They're 64 (or 48). There also is a bug whereby they don't seem to show up immediately (sometimes only after installing another app, IME) Nov 11 13:34:46 there is just this url field and authenticate button, what does it expect? webdav? what? eh? Nov 11 13:35:53 a Snowy server maybe? Nov 11 13:35:55 * mgedmin no clue Nov 11 13:36:10 http://live.gnome.org/Snowy Nov 11 13:36:52 n900 has a digital compass? Nov 11 13:36:57 don't think so Nov 11 13:37:03 ok Nov 11 13:37:28 Jaffa: is this documented anywhere? or should i just resize it to 64*64? Nov 11 13:38:37 does anyone know if geoclue builds for Fremantle? Nov 11 13:38:42 cosmo: icon sizes for menu is documented, yes ;-) Nov 11 13:38:44 * lardman|home needs some geolocation services Nov 11 13:39:04 lardman|home: tried cityinfo already? Nov 11 13:39:15 lardman|home: network/ip based or? Nov 11 13:39:23 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/cityinfo/ Nov 11 13:39:37 thp: cityinfo it just for the stuff on the map app Nov 11 13:39:46 crashanddie: yeah, web lookups Nov 11 13:40:09 lardman|home: ah, ok. ignore that reply e-mail i sent some minutes ago, then ;) Nov 11 13:40:21 I need to translate from the @ Bath message string on the end of my contact, to a lat/lon Nov 11 13:40:28 np :) Nov 11 13:40:59 thp: perhaps it will encourage someone in the bowels of maemo sw to reply ;) Nov 11 13:41:07 lardman|home: have you looked at maxmind? Nov 11 13:41:25 wouldn't it work to lookup "Bath" in cityinfo and get its lat/long coordinates from the DB there? according to the docs, it should.. Nov 11 13:42:00 lardman|home: http://www.maxmind.com/app/api Nov 11 13:42:09 thp: I don't think Bath is in the db Nov 11 13:42:13 crashanddie: looking Nov 11 13:42:53 thp: Nokia must do the reverse somehow, shame they can't just chuck us the raw lat/lon, save this lookup stage Nov 11 13:43:08 ok, I just got confirmation from the DDP people. They can only ship the QWERTY-Models of the N900 :-/ Nov 11 13:43:37 why would you want anything else than qwerty? Nov 11 13:43:51 dvorak is overrated :P And azerty is shamefully bad Nov 11 13:43:54 cool, a kernel panic :/ Nov 11 13:44:21 crashanddie: I want the german layout (QWERTZ) Nov 11 13:44:33 crashanddie: and the Umlauts. Nov 11 13:44:48 crashanddie: ah, I see what you mean by IP now Nov 11 13:44:51 lardman|home: you could capture the network traffic and see if nokia uses a web-based geocoding service. if not, the db should be on the device somewhere, and that'd probably be the best way to do the reverse lookup (as the strings are really the same then ;) Nov 11 13:44:58 crashanddie: no, I want to get lat/lon from a city name Nov 11 13:45:38 nomis, you can type umlauts via fn - sym - tap - letter Nov 11 13:45:39 thp: true, was just hoping for an api rather than having to reverse engineer things Nov 11 13:45:45 even on the international keyboard Nov 11 13:45:55 <_marcell_> lardman|home: libcityinfo-dev? Nov 11 13:46:00 thp: and they go the other way, lat/lon from GPS to city name Nov 11 13:46:23 _marcell_: only handles the db of cities in the world time app Nov 11 13:46:34 (I would love to see a quicker shortcut, though, I admit) Nov 11 13:46:36 afaiu Nov 11 13:47:17 lardman|home: http://www.batchgeocode.com/lookup/ Nov 11 13:47:32 lardman|home: with a bit of curl you could probably trim it down to exactly what you want Nov 11 13:47:54 I'd prefer to skip the parsing step altogether Nov 11 13:48:01 otherwise there's also google and geonames Nov 11 13:48:04 lardman|home: http://www.geonames.org/ would be the next suggestion Nov 11 13:48:07 <_marcell_> lardman|home: but you can use the same info. loop through the cities in cityinfo lib and when you find the one you want get the lat/lon coordinates Nov 11 13:48:21 kalikiana: yeah, I also have no doubt that I can somehow manage to remap the keyboard. But it would be nicer to have the correct symbols printed on the kezboard. Nov 11 13:48:21 _marcell_: what if the city is not in there? Nov 11 13:48:50 _marcell_: or do the city names used in the messenger app come from the same db? Nov 11 13:48:52 <_marcell_> lardman|home: then it does not exist. :) Nov 11 13:48:58 :D Nov 11 13:48:59 lardman|home: geopy works with geonames Nov 11 13:49:04 but then I won't complain, the printed symbols don't justify spending a lot of money more :) Nov 11 13:49:23 http://code.google.com/p/geopy/ Nov 11 13:49:27 crashanddie: yeah, I'll probably have to go that way, might do me some good to do some web thingies Nov 11 13:49:37 <_marcell_> lardman|home: I guess that the messenger is using some kind of a network service Nov 11 13:49:47 lardman|home: geopy wraps around the websites Nov 11 13:49:50 _marcell_: yeah, and it goes the other way anyway Nov 11 13:49:56 crashanddie: C! Nov 11 13:50:20 nomis, I personally rather use hotkeys than to sacrifice the arrows :-] Nov 11 13:50:43 lardman|home: you're never happy! Nov 11 13:50:52 lardman|home: just do the web parsing, it'll be fast, dun't worry Nov 11 13:50:59 crashanddie: just trying to avoid learning stuff I don't need :) Nov 11 13:51:47 <_marcell_> how about http://www.geonames.org then? Nov 11 13:51:56 yeah, still have to learn to use librest though Nov 11 13:52:14 but that's what I'm doing now Nov 11 13:52:25 kalikiana: oh, are these the alternatives? Then indeed, arrow keys seem important... :) Nov 11 13:52:49 lardman|home: or just use GMaps API... Pretty sure there's a C extension for that Nov 11 13:53:47 lardman|home: actually, using the Google API is such a manner is against the TOU Nov 11 13:53:50 * lbt has solved the SSU update problem.... we arrange per-country "SSU update parties" and Nokia ships us any needed flashing tools !!! (+ beer) Nov 11 13:54:00 crashanddie: yeah, so I read Nov 11 13:54:15 lbt: ideal Nov 11 13:54:24 (or Skype coctails) Nov 11 13:54:38 lbt: what about Nokia ship us all to an update party, in, say Australia, and supplies beer too? Nov 11 13:55:02 lardman|home: yay for Queensland hillbillies! Nov 11 13:55:03 * lbt thought that first... but this idea may actually happen Nov 11 13:55:07 lol Nov 11 13:55:07 yeah Nov 11 13:55:16 lardman|home: I only agree if it's in Perth or Melbourne Nov 11 13:55:24 * toggles_w votes Perth Nov 11 13:55:47 it may be interesting to visit Australia, but I hate to think about the duration of the flight Nov 11 13:55:48 Perth, don't want the snow Nov 11 13:56:03 mgedmin: after that, everything else is short Nov 11 13:56:11 mgedmin: West coast USA, no worries Nov 11 13:56:42 Yeah, from LA or SF it's _only_ 12 hours to Sydney. Nov 11 13:56:49 I've just come back from LA Nov 11 13:57:33 Amsterdam to SF was kinda okayish, except for the immigration queues Nov 11 13:57:47 So basically: SF/Bay Area, Perth or Durban Nov 11 13:58:29 Reheya all) Nov 11 13:58:30 get shot in Durbam Nov 11 13:58:33 Durban Nov 11 13:58:42 I can get a 4 bedroom house for $200 pw Nov 11 13:58:51 in Mountain view Nov 11 13:58:56 ok, accommodation & drinks on crashanddie Nov 11 13:58:57 ! Nov 11 13:59:19 sod it, if I'm getting the accomodation, you guys better pay up the equivalent in drinks Nov 11 13:59:33 which in santana row is probably 2 rounds and you're at $200 Nov 11 13:59:46 hmm, not ideal Nov 11 13:59:54 I'm exagerating Nov 11 14:00:07 tho the £ is climbing against the $ ;) Nov 11 14:00:21 but in Mountain view on halloween evening, 5 vodkas was $50 (including tip for a very hot waitress, and slutty too) Nov 11 14:00:46 I still have the receipt with her lipstick on it Nov 11 14:00:52 s/tip for/? Nov 11 14:00:59 That's nice =) Nov 11 14:01:01 crashanddie: 2 rounds to all people here for $200 total is cheap :) Nov 11 14:01:16 wow, 420 of us atm Nov 11 14:01:43 * lbt orders a martini Nov 11 14:01:53 Lynoure: 23 cents a drink, nice Nov 11 14:02:06 2 kissed olives from the hot waitress please Nov 11 14:02:08 crashanddie: sounds like homebrew wine :) Nov 11 14:07:48 ok, so the geonames stuff was pretty easy with librest, as I had an almost complete example to work from Nov 11 14:08:52 holy shit.. got error "malformed database schema - unable to open temporary database file for storing temporary" error dialog when installing a deb package Nov 11 14:11:20 ah, no space left on device Nov 11 14:13:03 yeah, that generates interesting errors on different apps Nov 11 14:13:24 also broken filesystem -> mount readonly does fun things :P Nov 11 14:14:38 Is it possible to install application on the external space rather that the only 1 gb meant for them?? Nov 11 14:18:50 tarek_: Not really. Repartition if you want, but you're not going to use up the 2GB /home partition with any app in Extras Nov 11 14:26:35 Anyone tried SyncEvolution on Maemo 5 with the built-in Calendar? Nov 11 14:27:52 it would be nice if we could just use the eds gdata backend Nov 11 14:28:07 That's true Nov 11 14:28:20 then no need for an extra app Nov 11 14:28:34 * Jaffa has multiple Google Calendars and *really* wants to see them in Calendar Nov 11 14:28:38 same here! Nov 11 14:28:54 i have other fry to kill unfortunately Nov 11 14:29:06 Jaffa, I don't do -users. ;) Nov 11 14:29:10 i have about 20 gcals Nov 11 14:29:36 GeneralAntilles: Off-topic for -developers, though :0 Nov 11 14:30:35 Jaffa: it's on the list.... not impressed by missing syncML / IP though Nov 11 14:30:50 I could probably make a case for it. ;) Nov 11 14:31:04 lbt: which list? Nov 11 14:31:17 timeless hinted that there were some strings he'd translated which seemed relevant Nov 11 14:31:18 my "make the N900 useful" list Nov 11 14:31:22 lbt: ah Nov 11 14:31:28 :) Nov 11 14:31:30 local egroupware integration Nov 11 14:31:40 via some kind of caldav Nov 11 14:31:46 or similar Nov 11 14:31:55 hrm, calendar url support? Nov 11 14:31:58 also LDAP integration would be nice for contacts Nov 11 14:32:01 i have a premium goosync account i used on my e71 for gcal sync Nov 11 14:32:25 supported syncml over ip, so yes even that is not possible yet on the n900 Nov 11 14:32:32 no Nov 11 14:32:33 :( Nov 11 14:32:46 lbt: ldap would require actually pulling in ldap Nov 11 14:32:49 but i'd rather get native gcal support in eds into the n900 Nov 11 14:32:54 i think there might be rumors of plans for that actually Nov 11 14:33:01 but it's hardly something one could call 'trivial' Nov 11 14:33:44 i HATE n900 Nov 11 14:33:48 * Ceron^ runs away Nov 11 14:33:49 * lbt is ambivalent about google data storage Nov 11 14:34:04 * lbt 100% agrees with !Ceron^ Nov 11 14:34:25 voice activated dialing :) Nov 11 14:34:26 hi everyone Nov 11 14:34:37 and sms announcements Nov 11 14:34:39 still not one navigation program that would be made for n900 except for ma-emo mapper and ovi mapfail Nov 11 14:34:45 is fremantle installable on a n800 ? Nov 11 14:34:49 timeless_mbp, rumours of plans for gdata eds backend? Nov 11 14:34:50 Ceron^: emerillon? Nov 11 14:34:57 Seb almost Nov 11 14:35:03 see Mer Nov 11 14:35:06 zaheerm: sorry, i don't spend that much time talking to them :) Nov 11 14:35:06 lardman|home: was is that? Nov 11 14:35:16 Ceron^: a mapping program.... Nov 11 14:35:16 Seb: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Nov 11 14:35:16 lbt: "Mer" ? :) Nov 11 14:35:19 ah Nov 11 14:35:33 * lbt looks at topic... Nov 11 14:36:15 lbt: did I miss it in there ? Nov 11 14:36:17 my point exactly :( Nov 11 14:36:21 oh Nov 11 14:36:22 heh Nov 11 14:36:23 yah someone should remove the QA meeting from topic Nov 11 14:36:30 (took you long enough to ask ;) ) Nov 11 14:36:44 lbt, Jaffa: thank you guys Nov 11 14:36:47 lbt: hah Nov 11 14:37:01 Seb there is #mer too Nov 11 14:37:11 Ceron^: qwerty and I are in the process of hildonising it, and at this very moment I'm finishing (I hope) writing a plugin to show N900 contacts on the map Nov 11 14:38:00 lardman|home, cool, i guess doing the photos on phone on the map wouldn't be too difficult if you almost done the n900 contacts Nov 11 14:38:06 lbt: yeah just saw that on the wiki page Nov 11 14:38:29 zaheerm: yep, that's my next plugin, though actually I think someone has already done that one in vala Nov 11 14:38:42 but I've not got vala working for emerillon in fremantle Nov 11 14:41:03 qwerty12: hrm Nov 11 14:41:09 i had a question for you :) Nov 11 14:41:20 while I'm here, what's a good way to search for maemo packages online ? Nov 11 14:41:42 * Stskeeps passes qwerty12 a cookie for no reason Nov 11 14:41:45 qwerty12: right... Nov 11 14:41:47 i mean packages that may not be in my n800's list of repositories yet; like some sort of website aggregating many repositories contents maybe ? Nov 11 14:41:59 how do i get a dialog with two buttons of my choice using zenity? Nov 11 14:42:08 i want something like the nokia restart dialogs Nov 11 14:42:12 Seb: there is only really one repository nowadays Nov 11 14:42:17 Seb: There's one at gronmayer.com - however, anything useful is now in Extras or Extras-devel. There's been a big push by the community to consolidate them Nov 11 14:42:20 Stskeeps: Thanks :) Nov 11 14:42:27 timeless_mbp: I actually have no idea... Nov 11 14:42:27 garage is a good place to start Nov 11 14:42:31 Jaffa: extras, extras-testing, extras-devel Nov 11 14:42:35 lbt, Jaffa: oh, that's nice Nov 11 14:42:37 you should advertise testing :) Nov 11 14:42:41 timeless_mbp: He said N800 :-p Nov 11 14:42:55 bah Nov 11 14:43:00 lbt: I'd quibble with that statement ;-) Nov 11 14:43:04 for consistency sake, we should have testing there too Nov 11 14:43:25 fine, quibble then. I'll watch ;) Nov 11 14:44:00 lbt: In fact, I'd probably have some level of quibblement with any statement starting "garage is a good place..." ;-) Nov 11 14:44:04 k, i already have devel and devel-extras, so I'll take it there's simply no zsh then :) Nov 11 14:44:05 * lbt prepares to watch Jaffa quibbling... Nov 11 14:44:23 * lbt does think you have a teeny point Nov 11 14:44:42 lol @ youtube comment "if autism was a mobile device... Interesting..um.. um.. " Nov 11 14:44:58 hmm, so there is touch area outside the n900 screen? Nov 11 14:45:12 ooh, really? Nov 11 14:45:14 that's called the "case" Nov 11 14:45:15 Stskeeps, yes Nov 11 14:45:15 like on left side Nov 11 14:45:28 does it exist on right side? Nov 11 14:45:29 there is a small area left and right Nov 11 14:45:37 interesting Nov 11 14:46:02 Stskeeps: you can tell when doing the browser stroke from right to left for history Nov 11 14:46:08 not used for, eg, "click outside to go back" Nov 11 14:46:12 cool Nov 11 14:46:16 thats not outside the area Nov 11 14:46:22 thats jsut a gesture starting from x=0 surely Nov 11 14:46:42 some hidden button areas would be cool Nov 11 14:46:53 i am quite sure its outside screen area Nov 11 14:46:57 the only "outside" screen input ive seen is the novel use of the proximity sensor Nov 11 14:47:05 *nod* Nov 11 14:47:08 which lib supplies input? Nov 11 14:47:22 can we tell from any calibration ? Nov 11 14:47:42 can tell cos it would be really simple to do the same with standard code Nov 11 14:47:45 and standard x stuff Nov 11 14:47:49 do we get mouse events (<0, <0) Nov 11 14:47:50 is touch input a event device similar to a notebook synaptics ? Nov 11 14:48:16 lbt: the mouse events are certainly filtered .. but you may get more raw events somewhere Nov 11 14:48:17 cehteh: more like Wacom tablet Nov 11 14:49:03 for a synaptics touchpad (which is capacitative) you could even implement proximity sensing Nov 11 14:49:32 some notice fingers as far as 1-2 cm away Nov 11 14:55:33 * GeneralAntilles head -> desk. Nov 11 14:55:36 http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 Nov 11 14:55:37 Bug 3307: "maemo Extras" in Application manager should be "Extras" Nov 11 14:55:43 oh just read that extras will get enabled by default in first maintenance release, thats pretty good i guess Nov 11 14:57:24 Except for they've randomly and arbitrarily decided to change the name . . . again. Nov 11 14:59:26 timeless_mbp: ran into 'not enough memory in target location' in web save file? on n900 Nov 11 14:59:35 internal, not ext Nov 11 14:59:37 not really Nov 11 14:59:49 there is plenty of space, so Nov 11 14:59:51 do you have strace/ is it reproducable? Nov 11 15:00:11 s/able/ible/ Nov 11 15:00:11 timeless_mbp meant: do you have strace/ is it reproducible? Nov 11 15:00:15 hmm Nov 11 15:00:29 something is wrong here.. xterm doesnt show menu Nov 11 15:00:41 now, *that* happens to me often :) Nov 11 15:04:23 GeneralAntilles imagine seeing a repository for the first time in your life. Which one means more extras or applications Nov 11 15:11:20 Problem is, these people are all going to see "Extras" on the internet and have trouble connecting the two. Nov 11 15:11:22 GeneralAntilles, you suggested that name though! Nov 11 15:11:30 tekonivel, both are equally descriptive. the only issue is that one of them doesn't relate to its actual name/ url at all Nov 11 15:11:32 lcuk, I didn't suggest "http://maemo.org Applications" :) Nov 11 15:12:13 anything with .org is what will look odd to ordinary people Nov 11 15:12:24 It should just be "Extras". Nov 11 15:12:26 there is http before it? Nov 11 15:12:33 it's like branding the device "N900.com" Nov 11 15:12:37 lcuk, I'm not doing another one of these with you. Nov 11 15:12:39 Just read the bug. Nov 11 15:13:02 i did, the fix in the description reads like you asked them too ("Win!") Nov 11 15:13:10 lcuk is just trying to let the frustration out on someone :P Nov 11 15:13:10 but you just said there was a http:// before it Nov 11 15:13:11 kalikiana, http://OpenOffice.org manages OK. Nov 11 15:13:45 GeneralAntilles, that's just as silly. no mortal understands what that is supposed to be Nov 11 15:13:51 lcuk, read the bug again, because either you're that clueless or you're baiting me. Nov 11 15:14:17 kalikiana, anyway, the .org is a separate issue. Nov 11 15:14:25 The issue here is Nokia inventing new names for something (again). Nov 11 15:14:48 When they already have a perfectly workable one. Nov 11 15:14:53 re Nov 11 15:14:55 If it's decided the discussion is probably moot anyway, we don't even know who particularly decided it Nov 11 15:15:24 kalikiana, always the problem with Nokia's supposedly "open" development. Nov 11 15:15:45 "Let's just do this and we'll tell the people investing a lot of time and effort trying to help once it's been decided." Nov 11 15:15:58 Then they get irritated when we react badly. Nov 11 15:16:08 GeneralAntilles, I tend to think some of Nokia is open, some is not. And if one from the wrong group gets his feet on the ground that's what happens Nov 11 15:16:23 kalikiana, it's all those goddamn S60 people in Maemo Devices. Nov 11 15:16:49 :P Nov 11 15:17:54 * GAN900 is just tired of wasting his time. Nov 11 15:18:06 Stskeeps, xterm not showing menu -- bug 6096? Nov 11 15:18:08 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6096 xterm: "Empty" app menu with invisible buttons Nov 11 15:18:32 oh, hi povbot. Nov 11 15:18:38 * RST38h sighs and orders an N900 Nov 11 15:18:58 * javispedro congratules RST38h in his decision while still not doing it :) Nov 11 15:19:32 andre__: povbot is slated to be your replacement Nov 11 15:19:33 Wait, I am not doing it too: when FN sees my Irish proxy it asks for euros Nov 11 15:19:55 :( Nov 11 15:19:55 Half the answers these days seem to be, "We've come up with a solution internally that has little or nothing to do with the proposed solution and we're not going to tell you what it is, hope you like it." Nov 11 15:19:59 qwerty12, that's cool! i'll go and grab a beer then Nov 11 15:20:02 actually, it would make more sense for infobot to do the informative bug announcements Nov 11 15:20:04 it's also supybot, right? Nov 11 15:20:07 andre__: hehe Nov 11 15:20:14 GAN900, not refering to bug 3307, eh? :-P Nov 11 15:20:15 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 "maemo Extras" in Application manager should be "Extras" Nov 11 15:20:18 * andre__ pets povbot Nov 11 15:20:37 mgedmin, that would be really noisy. in a different channel maybe. Nov 11 15:20:56 #maemo-chatbos Nov 11 15:20:58 andre__, I mean the kind of bug number -> bug title thing that povbot does now Nov 11 15:20:58 #maemo-chatbots Nov 11 15:21:13 javis: Why not though? Nov 11 15:21:25 yeah. gimpnet also has a #bzbot channel for the noise. Nov 11 15:21:29 not announcements that bug #### changed target from UNSET to 5.0+ Nov 11 15:21:44 ah, okay :) Nov 11 15:22:07 everybody knows and loves infobot already; povbot is just something with a weird name Nov 11 15:22:22 RST38h: DDP? I am waiting for someone to confirm they're shipping and not just "reserving" money. Nov 11 15:22:38 mgedmin: fuse them into "infovbot" Nov 11 15:23:08 Default shipping information at FN says "Afghanistan" Nov 11 15:23:13 How about "pinfovbot" instead? Nov 11 15:23:19 javispedro, I still haven't received the promised DDP email saying the N900 is available for ordering, even though I've ordered mine yesterday Nov 11 15:23:21 javis: Does not matter, they will ship Nov 11 15:23:35 I am not a fan of preordering, you see... Nov 11 15:23:56 shipping from afghanistan with DHL? Nov 11 15:24:05 Nor am I. I don't buy anything that I can't get my hands on in a store at some point or other. Nov 11 15:24:07 javis: If they delay by 2 weeks, will it make it preorder? =) Nov 11 15:24:19 javis: Maybe shipping TO Afghanistan with NATO? =)( Nov 11 15:24:42 RST38h: definitely. and will make me lose a lot of hair while waiting for a customs notice Nov 11 15:25:03 javis: true Nov 11 15:25:18 * RST38h is shipping to US though, now just need to find someone to take it here Nov 11 15:27:15 but either way I _require_ a ogl es capable hardware. Nov 11 15:27:38 and since "our TI contact" is Missing in Action at best... Nov 11 15:29:15 I wonder if he's on holiday for a month too. Nov 11 15:29:23 Engadget doesn't even try to hide how much they hate Nokia anymore. Nov 11 15:29:45 so, the promised semi-open-source driver for the N8x0 never materialized, javispedro? Nov 11 15:30:12 GAN900: when engadget reviews the n900 remember to link to it in this channel's topic :) Nov 11 15:30:28 mgedmin: never materialized, doesn't answer to emails Nov 11 15:30:56 ohgod Nov 11 15:31:00 somehow I'm not surprised :/ Nov 11 15:31:06 Now I'm "Ralph" Nov 11 15:31:44 Engadget hates lots of stuff: if I'm gonna check out a website for a decent smartphone review, it'll likely be Ars Technica. Nov 11 15:32:27 * javispedro can't wait for engadget's n900 perfectly unbiased review. will my stomach be able to handle it? Nov 11 15:32:38 damn it I am seeing giant talking cows again. things that make you go moo Nov 11 15:32:48 :D Nov 11 15:32:53 moo penguinbait Nov 11 15:32:55 moooooooo Nov 11 15:33:13 GAN900: can you blame engadget? Nov 11 15:33:26 Which repository would I need for libgcc1, libdbus etc? Nov 11 15:33:33 timeless_mbp, yes. Nov 11 15:34:42 Synergy6: what are you trying to do? Nov 11 15:34:47 are you in a scratchbox? Nov 11 15:36:01 I find Gizmodo better than Engadget, most of the time. Engadget's just a little too iPhone-fanboyish, imo. Nov 11 15:36:12 javispedro, uhm. who's that TI guy? sounds like it could need some escalation... Nov 11 15:36:32 claws-mail (for example) can't install because it needs libgcc1 >4.2.1 Nov 11 15:36:41 maybe his corporate overseeres discovered his suspicious leanings toward openness and quietly disappeared him? Nov 11 15:37:36 andre__, mgedmin: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=360683#post360683 Nov 11 15:38:18 javis: I am sure it will be titled "Why N900 is no iPhone" Nov 11 15:38:33 javis: Thick, heavy, NOT SHINY, NO MMS! Nov 11 15:39:09 RST38h: You're forgetting "not made by Apple" Nov 11 15:39:16 no apple sticker! Nov 11 15:39:19 * andre__ still doesn't get why people use MMS. it's like using pagers in the 90es. different culture it seems Nov 11 15:39:39 So why did they like the Droid? Nov 11 15:39:43 andre__, last time I tried to use MMS, it failed; debugging was beyond my ken Nov 11 15:39:55 broken tech teaches people to avoid it Nov 11 15:40:28 the prices at the time were also frivolous Nov 11 15:40:59 * lardman hopes he won't have to resurrect his disassembler and set it to work on pvr.ko again Nov 11 15:41:13 Andre__: instant(ish) sharing with people without a dataplan on their phone ;) Nov 11 15:41:13 * mgedmin wonders if brokenpromises.org is registered Nov 11 15:41:35 well you never know, he might have bird flu or something Nov 11 15:42:57 brokenpromises.org is a parked domain Nov 11 15:42:58 are people who use MER Merfolk? Nov 11 15:43:36 andre__, because some people don't have email or data on their phone yet want to send a picture Nov 11 15:43:40 penguinbait, I'd call them merried. Nov 11 15:43:51 hmm. never felt any need to use mms Nov 11 15:43:57 penguinbait: mermen and mermaids. Nov 11 15:44:00 no, they just eat seabass all day Nov 11 15:44:11 my mum uses mms Nov 11 15:44:16 mermen and mermaids are merfolk ;) Nov 11 15:44:18 ...and s/MER/Mer/ Nov 11 15:44:27 heh. my parents don't use mobile phones or computers Nov 11 15:44:27 even though she has an iphone and can email with it Nov 11 15:45:44 andre__: Do they still have a rotary dial phone? =) Nov 11 15:45:46 Jaffa, I still wonder where the all-caps version came from. Nov 11 15:46:03 Its was me GA, I just typed it Nov 11 15:46:04 qwerty12, not anymore :) Nov 11 15:46:16 :) Nov 11 15:46:16 Sorry I see three letters and assume all caps Nov 11 15:46:50 * Jaffa gets really bugged by JAVA (although that is valid when referring to Sun Microsystem's stock ticker symbol) Nov 11 15:47:09 MER = Maemo EradicatoR Nov 11 15:47:47 GeneralAntilles: People do the same thing to Ogg. It's just the way things go. Nov 11 15:49:22 I'll type MAEMO if it will annoy you Nov 11 15:49:47 * mgedmin pries the capslock key off penguinbait's keyboard Nov 11 15:50:03 don't make me come for the shifts Nov 11 15:50:12 Must Annoy Everyone Most Onomatopoetically Nov 11 15:50:23 penguinbait: Please... Don't come for the shifts Nov 11 15:50:49 MaEmO Nov 11 15:51:20 MERMAIDS? Nov 11 15:51:31 That's Stskeeps Nov 11 15:51:53 My merfolk deck kicks ass Nov 11 15:51:55 Evil Mermaids Nov 11 15:54:34 andre__: so yeah, if you could ping the TI guy... even if he's on holiday climbing the everest or the like (Mission Impossible style) ;) ... we would be very thankful :) Nov 11 15:55:23 javispedro: If that doesn't work, we'll get the trusty bulldozer out ;) Nov 11 15:56:20 :) Nov 11 15:56:29 javispedro, i assume that Stskeeps did already Nov 11 15:56:50 i did, no response, individuals are free to ask :P Nov 11 15:57:05 i did email him too, on friday. no response yet. Nov 11 16:04:09 how come 300 people did not notice the hidden digital compass! Nov 11 16:04:33 is there one? Nov 11 16:04:35 ah, the tmo conspiracies... Nov 11 16:04:36 javispedro, we're just trying to keep you down. Nov 11 16:04:42 They are all giant talking cows, mooooooo Nov 11 16:04:46 is there one? Nov 11 16:04:52 I was wondering how we would be able to notice it unless there was a kernel driver Nov 11 16:04:59 * GeneralAntilles likes the thread-shit fragos took on the "Fixed in Fremantle" thread. Nov 11 16:05:33 oh, I was nomited on that thread :) Nov 11 16:05:38 s/nomited/nominated Nov 11 16:06:21 I guess for having something fixing the FRIGGIN ORANGE COLORS in the SDK and boasting that around here MWAHA Nov 11 16:10:32 * Stskeeps passes javispedro a cookie for that Nov 11 16:10:41 javispedro: i've run into it on sw rendering too i think Nov 11 16:10:48 what bug # was it? Nov 11 16:11:22 * javispedro looks up Nov 11 16:11:34 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Nov 11 16:11:35 Bug 4870: Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK Nov 11 16:12:17 Stskeeps: more like a workaround but if you're using a non ancient version of Mesa it will work. will be happy to hear if it works! :) Nov 11 16:13:02 :nod: Nov 11 16:17:29 javispedro: So there is one now? Pretend that not everyone is slavishly following tmo these days; and may have realised it was a timesink with more noise than signal. Nov 11 16:18:06 Jaffa: no, there's no compass :) Nov 11 16:18:20 http://www.softsailor.com/news/11565-nokia-n900-commercial-seriously-freaks-us-out-updated-with-great-ads.html Nov 11 16:18:26 have people seen the second ad there? Nov 11 16:18:35 just someone who still wanted someone of the "300" (this sounds like a film now) to confirm it Nov 11 16:18:57 http://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=4a3f6bbb5f0c6021279ccb3c23558b3c480d995f Nov 11 16:19:29 javispedro: if you want, i can give you a mer vmdk where you can try and see if you can get vmgl going? Nov 11 16:19:35 and then patch clutter Nov 11 16:19:35 soft sailor.. sounds like a failure in life who went to server on boat :) Nov 11 16:20:09 timeless, yeah I have Nov 11 16:20:17 Stskeeps: xorg version? Nov 11 16:20:20 wow Nov 11 16:20:27 javispedro: yeah Nov 11 16:20:27 these other commercials are kinda nice Nov 11 16:20:46 Stskeeps: I mean, which release? :) either way, point me and I'll try Nov 11 16:21:16 timeless_mbp, or do you mean if we've seen them non-internet? Nov 11 16:21:31 javispedro: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing2/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.17testing2.vmdk.zip Nov 11 16:21:34 well, definitely let me know if you see one in the real world Nov 11 16:22:10 * ShadowJK doesn't see anything in real world Nov 11 16:22:17 * Stskeeps tries to avoid watching tv. Nov 11 16:22:25 hulu, sure, but not much tv Nov 11 16:22:26 :P Nov 11 16:22:42 timeless: these other commercials weren't made by Nokia AFAIU Nov 11 16:22:48 some contest iirc Nov 11 16:23:04 that explains why they don't suck Nov 11 16:23:59 derf: reads like Java, and they even spelled O_CREATE fully! heretic language! Nov 11 16:26:08 heh Nov 11 16:27:51 * javispedro wonders if we'll see "5 years experience required with Go" Nov 11 16:29:30 that would be Gone Nov 11 16:29:50 "5 years of experience Gone" Nov 11 16:30:32 and to add to the heresy, they even took sides in the tabs vs spaces holy war: Nov 11 16:30:39 "We use tabs for indentation and gofmt emits them by default." Nov 11 16:31:02 eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! Nov 11 16:31:21 what happened to "don't be evil"??? Nov 11 16:31:24 tabs for indentation, omg Nov 11 16:33:32 yes, they're evil. changing the decl_spec order from type_spec identifier to identifier type_spec is plain evil. Nov 11 16:39:00 TOTORO! Nov 11 16:45:32 the movie? :P Nov 11 16:56:54 Stskeeps: ouch, not mouse pointer in that VM? Nov 11 16:57:04 ctrl-shift-x Nov 11 16:57:19 ah, ta! Nov 11 17:01:10 javispedro: works and has connectivity? Nov 11 17:01:41 yep Nov 11 17:01:50 good, releasing then Nov 11 17:02:00 lol Nov 11 17:02:02 :) Nov 11 17:03:52 i don't expect too much of it so :P Nov 11 17:15:16 <_Lucretia_> god, errors in mimetypes and the mention of "i've been haxored" fills me with confidence Nov 11 17:15:41 in terms of/ Nov 11 17:15:44 SDK? :P Nov 11 17:16:44 gconf ? Nov 11 17:17:51 nokians are so evil haxors sometimes Nov 11 17:20:46 what makes you say that? Nov 11 17:21:06 oh, nevermind Nov 11 17:21:08 the gconf i've been haxored comments :) Nov 11 17:21:51 kalikiana: our comments are clear Nov 11 17:22:01 we identify ourselves by our actions of haxoring Nov 11 17:22:42 hehe Nov 11 17:23:00 like virus makers when they said hello to gates Nov 11 17:31:29 * Stskeeps ponders if some idiot used his nickname on forum nokia Nov 11 17:33:03 Stskeeps: in the "PRO" forum? that'd be an evil way to get the discount... Nov 11 17:33:19 * GeneralAntilles still needs to call the credit card company. Nov 11 17:33:22 I hate Forum Nokia. Nov 11 17:34:57 GeneralAntilles: i saw a "Manage my prototype loans" section in Forum Nokia Pro, so get used to it lol Nov 11 17:35:28 General: What happened with FN? Nov 11 17:36:10 jeremiah: Here? Nov 11 17:36:11 * Stskeeps gives up and tries another day. Nov 11 17:36:19 RST38h, end-to-end the discount program really sucks. Nov 11 17:36:26 Poor communication, poor process Nov 11 17:36:30 Designed for dealing Nov 11 17:36:36 The initial form was stupid Nov 11 17:36:39 The NDA is stupid Nov 11 17:36:48 The fact that you're dealing with a company overseas is stupid Nov 11 17:36:51 General: Well, as long as they ship the device and it works, I am fine Nov 11 17:36:54 Not having a warranty is stupid. Nov 11 17:37:04 General: Just remember N810 program with Nokia USA Nov 11 17:37:10 * RST38h laughs satanically Nov 11 17:38:18 * javispedro notes half his home address was deleted from the FN registration info Nov 11 17:38:32 at least _this_ DDP lets me specify a shipping address in Lithuania without rejecting me out of hand Nov 11 17:39:05 RST38h: btw, profile has "preferred currency" setting. Nov 11 17:40:26 mgedmin: Even lets you specify an address in Afghanistan Nov 11 17:40:33 javis: I have USD there Nov 11 17:40:54 javis: Too bad this "smart" site overrides it when I use a proxy in Ireland Nov 11 17:41:23 javis: But it is still better than Nokia USA verifying my CC information via anal probe Nov 11 17:48:15 Stskeeps: equivalent of af-sb-init.sh on Mer? I want to restart hildon-desktop and the rest of the gang with an external $DISPLAY Nov 11 17:48:45 hmm, check what /etc/init.d/auto-startx does it Nov 11 17:49:57 ah, uses xsession stuff Nov 11 17:50:43 well, vmgl does work. to get proper alignment of stuff either using a patched xephyr or a patched Xvnc is needed. Nov 11 17:51:38 note though that blurring does not work due to missing FBO ext Nov 11 17:53:26 No FBO? Nov 11 17:53:33 Doesn't that make it kind of... useless? Nov 11 17:53:49 fbo? Nov 11 17:54:02 Framebuffer objects. Nov 11 17:54:10 texture from pixmap? :P Nov 11 17:54:12 Needed for render-to-texture. Nov 11 17:54:37 Which in turn is needed for basically everything. Nov 11 17:54:53 derf: you'd be surprised to hear it's only used for blurring then Nov 11 17:54:59 javispedro: screenshots of how it then looks is probably interesting Nov 11 17:55:29 javispedro: I'm mostly uninterested in actual graphics. Nov 11 17:55:46 I just want another processor. Nov 11 17:56:42 Stskeeps: btw note that VMGL has nothing to do with the weird colors -- I guess you're interested in a screenshot of blue tear? Nov 11 17:57:01 yes, of course, but also about blurring Nov 11 17:57:47 they're not related at all -- you don't have to use VMGL if you don't want hw accelerated 3D, and you'll get fine blurring then Nov 11 17:57:54 <_Lucretia_> I've installed everything as per the doc, af-sb-init.sh doesn't exist Nov 11 17:58:32 guys, do you have any idea if the US version of the n900 will work with EU frequencies? Nov 11 17:59:03 derf: well for the record the actual n900 hw does support FBOs (as theoretically does the N810' MBX from what I've read) Nov 11 17:59:15 javispedro: Ah! Okay, that's good news, at least. Nov 11 17:59:57 FBOs on OGL ES 1.1 is an optional extension but seems nearly everyone has it -- including the iphone "1g" Nov 11 18:00:03 FBOs are mandatory on 2.0 Nov 11 18:01:00 <_Lucretia_> the apt-get install osso-af-sb-startup line is missing from the howto Nov 11 18:01:35 Anyone responsible for maemo.org website management here? Nov 11 18:01:45 * javispedro would like a way to be able to render to a FBO managed by hildon-desktop instead of the usual render to buffer -> get pixmap -> upload pixmap as texture -> ... Nov 11 18:11:19 aep: N900 internals are the same in all regions iirc, only difference is the keyboard Nov 11 18:11:33 aye thanks Nov 11 18:12:38 microlith: keyboard hardware or just key captions? Nov 11 18:15:48 dottedmag: just key captions Nov 11 18:15:53 konttori: thanks Nov 11 18:16:10 * dottedmag is relieved Nov 11 18:16:14 * konttori is using finnish keyboard captions, but has switched to english layout so that the arrow keys would work Nov 11 18:16:40 Yeah. Same problem here - I wanted to get device from US just to avoid stupid Russian layout. Nov 11 18:16:47 Looks like it's not necessary. Nov 11 18:17:22 yeah thats my concern too :D Nov 11 18:17:32 i definatly need arrow keys, thats why i'm getting a US version Nov 11 18:21:06 I'm wondering about OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Netherlands' Nov 11 18:21:13 and OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us' Nov 11 18:21:36 these are stored somewhere (CAL?) and they probably affect something (no clue what) Nov 11 18:21:44 being unable to use wifi channel 12 would suck Nov 11 18:22:21 <_Lucretia_> why am I getting this "sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" <<- I don't have any Nov 11 18:23:46 hm, look for background processes stuck somewhere? Nov 11 18:23:54 happened to me once Nov 11 18:26:41 huh, I heard somewhere that Maemo 5 was based on Qt. Nov 11 18:26:44 <_Lucretia_> KillAll in the sb-menu Nov 11 18:26:45 GDB for armel.... Where I find this? Nov 11 18:26:51 <_Lucretia_> still can't get the ui to work Nov 11 18:27:50 MarkBao: you're thinking about m Nov 11 18:27:51 6 Nov 11 18:27:56 <_Lucretia_> /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 92: /usr/bin/hildon-input-method: No such file or directory Nov 11 18:28:01 Stskeeps: m6? Nov 11 18:28:35 maemo 6 Nov 11 18:28:36 ah, got it. Nov 11 18:29:12 I'm looking to develop a small touch-screen mobile app to be deployed on a device. Nov 11 18:29:23 sine Maemo seemed to be doing quite well with what they're working with, thought I'd look at what they're using Nov 11 18:29:47 would you suggest that I use GTK+Hildon or Qt? Nov 11 18:30:16 both work on maemo 5 Nov 11 18:30:23 MarkBao: Qt Nov 11 18:30:35 ensi: thanks. any reason? Nov 11 18:30:35 but yeah, qt for the long run and sanity Nov 11 18:30:39 heh. Nov 11 18:31:07 MarkBao: Maemo is moving onto Qt Nov 11 18:31:09 qt is easier & faster to develop on Nov 11 18:31:11 and it works well Nov 11 18:31:25 and you can just use all the normal Qt tools to build your application Nov 11 18:31:36 <_Lucretia_> do these 2 packages (maemo-sdk-runtime nokia-binaries) need to be installed under both arm and x86 or just x86? Nov 11 18:31:36 knocking up a GUI is very fast Nov 11 18:31:45 ensi: yeah. that's what I'm thikning. though, it doesn't look very good for touch-screen UIs Nov 11 18:31:47 _Lucretia_: both Nov 11 18:31:54 <_Lucretia_> ensi: thanks Nov 11 18:31:57 MarkBao: what do you mean? Nov 11 18:32:09 MarkBao: some things you need to take into account, for example buttons and such Nov 11 18:32:21 you have to use minimum sizes so they are larger on the ui Nov 11 18:32:25 ensi: as in animations, the like. Nov 11 18:32:50 MarkBao: yeah not all things are yet there like stacked windows. I think this is coming in Qt 4.6 but is not yet available Nov 11 18:32:53 MarkBao: qt has excellent animation support :P Nov 11 18:32:56 (unless you compile from source) Nov 11 18:33:03 MarkBao: but do you need this? Nov 11 18:33:09 hmm, I might. Nov 11 18:33:28 a bigger problem is that some of the Maemo api's want a GtkWindow* Nov 11 18:33:31 which is kinda sucky.... Nov 11 18:33:48 how can i tell the device in my app not to dim the scren Nov 11 18:34:28 bit sucky my video gets dimmed Nov 11 18:35:05 thanks for the help, ensi and Stskeeps :) Nov 11 18:35:50 np Nov 11 18:35:56 <_Lucretia_> finally! got a pink rectangle in the top left corner of the window: error messages are here: http://pastebin.com/mfb698a9 Nov 11 18:36:02 zaheerm, which toolkit you using Nov 11 18:36:09 hildon, gtk Nov 11 18:36:31 hrmm... so many people on bus usin n900 :I Nov 11 18:36:53 kirma, you're on a nokia employees bus? :) Nov 11 18:37:25 not really. kamppi-espoo in general Nov 11 18:38:11 sounds like a typical maemo employees bus for those living in espoo Nov 11 18:38:22 helsinki, one that goes past one of nokia complexes to engineer suburb of 300k or so Nov 11 18:38:37 ;I Nov 11 18:39:47 * javispedro would fear a bus full of n900s, just in case they decided to revert to their human forms Nov 11 18:40:06 javispedro: the people with n900s are actually controlled by their n900s :P Nov 11 18:40:08 eh eh Nov 11 18:40:21 lcuk, you have an answer? Nov 11 18:40:31 people iwth iphones are ceretainly controlled by steve Nov 11 18:40:36 zaheerm, mplayer has a heartbeat function Nov 11 18:40:40 zaheerm: qwerty12 knows how to stop dimming and such i think :P Nov 11 18:40:42 which does as you need Nov 11 18:40:47 Stskeeps: I'm sure that's not good material for an ad ;) Nov 11 18:40:51 but google isnt the best at searching partial words Nov 11 18:40:59 and i cant remember the actual name of the func Nov 11 18:41:01 lcuk, yah tried google Nov 11 18:41:17 nice e90 typos damnit Nov 11 18:41:20 do we have the n900wallpapers guys in here ever? Nov 11 18:41:21 im searching for heartbeat rather than blanking stuff Nov 11 18:41:26 yeah Nov 11 18:41:37 can anybody stop this maemo.org spam please? :) Nov 11 18:41:40 its code177 isnt it Nov 11 18:41:40 we are going to make it easier to make 4 screen wallpapers. Nov 11 18:41:43 yah heartbeat keeps up its cpu speed too right? Nov 11 18:41:47 I just wanted to notify the guys. Nov 11 18:41:59 konttori cool! Nov 11 18:42:04 <_Lucretia_> can someone tell me why it's trying to load Error loading cached background image /home/laguest/.backgrounds/background-1.pvr when they don't exist? Nov 11 18:42:12 how are you goin about it? just single pic and cookie cut to size? Nov 11 18:42:26 _Lucretia_: something you can safely ignore Nov 11 18:42:26 or stitching multiple as well? Nov 11 18:42:39 single pic and that's it. store anywhere on the device. tracker will feed it to the available wallpapers automatically Nov 11 18:42:44 <_Lucretia_> javispedro: ok, but it's still not working Nov 11 18:42:56 all images of size 3200x480 will go there Nov 11 18:43:24 konttori, so we should expect people using a strip of 4 pictures created from a single 640*480 original source manga image? :D Nov 11 18:43:24 _Lucretia_: remove everything and reinstall. and follow instructions a bit more carefully (yes you have to install both nokia-apps and nokia-binaries in both targets) Nov 11 18:43:26 <_Lucretia_> can someone look at my error log and give me a hint? Nov 11 18:43:53 160*120 (H) Nov 11 18:43:54 lcuk, i grabbed mplayer src from apt, looking now Nov 11 18:44:02 alright cool zaheerm Nov 11 18:44:09 <_Lucretia_> javispedro: I used http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation and I folloed it exactly cutting n pasting. it didn't install some things, like the osso stuff Nov 11 18:44:10 lcuk, thx for the pointer Nov 11 18:44:11 ahh konttori cool Nov 11 18:44:16 It's only easier delivery method Nov 11 18:44:47 lcuk: I still can't see you in internal irc Nov 11 18:44:53 _Lucretia_: because you didn't do the nokia-binaries part Nov 11 18:44:58 <_Lucretia_> I did Nov 11 18:45:03 at least, for both targets Nov 11 18:45:06 <_Lucretia_> I did Nov 11 18:45:09 osso_display_state_on(ossocontext);osso_display_blanking_pause(ossocontext); Nov 11 18:45:22 i can see you Nov 11 18:46:15 * zaheerm hopes it is wrapped in pymaemo Nov 11 18:46:22 <_Lucretia_> I pasted the lines "fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps" from both x86 and arm Nov 11 18:46:43 _Lucretia_: that should've downloaded nearly 200 mibibytes Nov 11 18:46:46 javispedro: Thou Hast Highlighted My Nick Nov 11 18:46:46 or more Nov 11 18:46:57 <_Lucretia_> javispedro: it downloaded a shitload on both Nov 11 18:47:15 zaheerm, i believe on n810 that actually failed for me! Nov 11 18:47:20 moo__, only a three letter prefix! Nov 11 18:47:20 <_Lucretia_> and still didn't work Nov 11 18:47:24 either that or i had nothing available Nov 11 18:47:37 >_> Nov 11 18:47:49 _Lucretia_: after that you either have af-sb-init.sh avail or the apt-get install clearly failed with a visible error message Nov 11 18:47:49 General: Do you still have management rights for maemo.og? If you don't who does? Nov 11 18:47:52 lcuk, pymaemo display state methods? Nov 11 18:48:01 is there geotagging support for N900 which would actually embed geolocation informaiton in JPEG EXIF data (for flick to consume)? Nov 11 18:48:31 zaheerm: at least in python-osso 0.4 it should work Nov 11 18:49:06 moo__: yes Nov 11 18:49:33 greenfly: linkz or didn't happen :) Nov 11 18:51:02 bugger, why did they have to release the n900 today :( Nov 11 18:51:22 lizardo, in 0.4 i see osso.device_state not display_state Nov 11 18:52:05 lizardo, no matter i found it is what i want Nov 11 18:52:30 lizardo, thx for the help Nov 11 18:52:59 zaheerm: DeviceState.display_state_on() and DeviceState.display_blanking_pause() (just for completeness) :) Nov 11 18:53:25 in device_state module Nov 11 19:00:43 * Stskeeps ponders if 'patch' is in extras Nov 11 19:01:25 * VDVsx thumbs up new Bullshit Bingo version ;) Nov 11 19:03:20 okay, just realized when reading internal bug reports that people really test porn pages in the browser. so this device could even become a success :-P Nov 11 19:03:54 (though "pink page" is a weird euphemism in the subject line, dear reporter.) Nov 11 19:03:57 1/5 of iphone users use it for porn. let's make it 1/2 on n900! :P Nov 11 19:04:05 i do my very best already ;-) Nov 11 19:04:41 n900: 1/2 of it use it for viewing 'pink pages', the other half is mentally insane! Nov 11 19:04:51 s/it/owners Nov 11 19:04:53 pinkpenguin.org Nov 11 19:08:25 kaboom !!!!! :P Nov 11 19:15:48 netsplit! netsplit! netsplit! Nov 11 19:16:02 eheh Nov 11 19:16:33 I'm alone in some channels that used to have hundreds of people Nov 11 19:17:09 same here. Nov 11 19:17:41 our connection rocks, lol Nov 11 19:53:01 his, do I actually need to take any notice of the /proc binfmt_misc error Nov 11 19:59:10 his, do I actually need to take any notice of the /proc binfmt_misc error Nov 11 20:04:28 what error? Nov 11 20:04:32 and I don't know anyway Nov 11 20:11:39 sp3000: so... bugmail reached 0 Nov 11 20:11:43 dinner plans? Nov 11 20:12:44 had to do a branch port build fix, building images now Nov 11 20:12:53 bugmail 0? unpossible Nov 11 20:18:04 well Nov 11 20:18:10 it'll bubble up while i walk to dinner Nov 11 20:18:16 ;) Nov 11 20:18:17 and i have 424 non bugmails to read Nov 11 20:18:26 but stil Nov 11 20:18:27 l Nov 11 20:18:51 * GeneralAntilles sighs at Linux Devices Nov 11 20:19:27 Maemo.org? Nov 11 20:19:40 In short, it's competitive with the latest high-end smartphones, including the iPhone, Samsung's LiMo-based Vodafone 360 H1, or Motorola's much-touted Android based http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Verizon-Wireless-Droid-by-Motorola/. Unsubsidized by carriers at this point, however, it costs considerably more. Nov 11 20:19:58 and of course there's no way to email them anymore. Nov 11 20:20:25 timeless_mbp: where's dinner? Nov 11 20:20:57 hrm, it's 10pm on weds Nov 11 20:21:02 does that make it pizza? Nov 11 20:21:07 it probably does Nov 11 20:21:14 pizza then, when's dinner? Nov 11 20:21:30 Stskeeps: eh? Nov 11 20:21:43 hmm? Nov 11 20:21:52 [10:19pm] Maemo.org? Nov 11 20:22:03 timeless_mbp, see my quote. Nov 11 20:22:25 * GeneralAntilles retroactively adds quotation marks. Nov 11 20:22:41 how about a reference link? Nov 11 20:28:47 timeless_mbp, http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-N900-ships/ Nov 11 20:29:15 thanks Nov 11 20:29:28 > After a delay of several weeks, Nokia is finally shipping its Maemo Linux-based N900 smartphone for 500 Euros ($750), says eWEEK. Meanwhile, a research note supports rumors of an upcoming Maemo-based, mass-market smartphone designed to compete directly with the iPhone, says an industry report, and LWN.net reports on last month's Maemo Summit. Nov 11 20:29:37 i thought the list price was 600EUR/650USD Nov 11 20:29:45 where did they pull 500EUR/750USD? Nov 11 20:30:09 they love to convert Nov 11 20:30:27 timeless_mbp: price compate is at 499 Nov 11 20:30:31 someone please check me, the price listed for .eu is 600, not 500, right? Nov 11 20:30:38 compate=compare Nov 11 20:31:00 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=n900+600+eur&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Nov 11 20:31:04 if anyone with 32bit ubuntu or debian wants to beta-test my desktop app, please do http://www.siilihai.com/ Nov 11 20:31:05 shows that my memory isn't that bad Nov 11 20:31:11 i just added talk.maemo.org support for it Nov 11 20:31:16 did the price get shifted by nokia to be less insane? Nov 11 20:31:32 cosmo: i think talk support is generally seen as a negative here :) Nov 11 20:31:33 maemo version coming later (this week maybe) Nov 11 20:32:00 timeless_mbp: is there any better forum for maemo? Nov 11 20:32:09 dunno, i stay away from the others Nov 11 20:35:32 timeless_mbp, the €500 doesn't include taxes. Nov 11 20:35:41 * timeless_mbp boggles Nov 11 20:35:45 you mean it excludes VAT? Nov 11 20:35:50 what's VAT? :P Nov 11 20:35:53 cosmo, Talk is the least evil of them. Nov 11 20:35:59 timeless_mbp, right. Nov 11 20:36:15 pwnguin: TAX spelled differently Nov 11 20:36:21 with more VALUE ADDED Nov 11 20:36:25 prices in the US don't advertise sales tax because there's a billion jurisdictions Nov 11 20:36:29 http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a457621.html Nov 11 20:36:47 i get sales taxed by the city, county and state Nov 11 20:37:30 if i walk across the state line, those calculations change Nov 11 20:38:27 finally, if i have something shipped from out of state, its possible i pay no sales tax Nov 11 20:38:31 ie newegg Nov 11 20:39:24 so that's why american perspective writing won't discuss taxes Nov 11 20:39:41 timeless_mbp: ok, walking Nov 11 20:39:46 * Stskeeps installs bootmenu on his n900 and hopes by god he didn't brick his setup. Nov 11 20:39:53 ok, i'll head out in 2min Nov 11 20:40:14 pwnguin: most of the people talking here now are americans Nov 11 20:40:24 we're well aware of how normal taxes work Nov 11 20:40:28 european VAT is odd Nov 11 20:40:40 I just heavily updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad . if anybody feels the urge to proofread before complaining about my denglish, just do it... ;-) Nov 11 20:40:42 because it's generally included in the listed "base" price Nov 11 20:40:45 oh, im sorry, i misread something Nov 11 20:40:57 my terminal doesnt seem to render unicode well Nov 11 20:40:57 pwnguin: no real way for you to know that Nov 11 20:41:05 i know how VAT works Nov 11 20:41:22 i thought you were boggling at an advertised 500 dollar price, not a 500 euro Nov 11 20:41:23 andre__: reading, but i gotta go to meet sp3000 for dinner Nov 11 20:41:31 pwnguin: oh Nov 11 20:41:42 no, i was boggling at the 500 EUR instead of the expected 600 EUR Nov 11 20:41:53 and also that they were claiming 750 USD instead of the expected 650 USD Nov 11 20:41:59 i.e. *Both* values were wrong Nov 11 20:42:01 worthless numbers Nov 11 20:42:02 appreciated. but as said, no urgent need. it's just so popular to complain about bad english nowadays in the community ;-)) Nov 11 20:42:15 newegg has it for $559.00 Nov 11 20:42:16 http://www.flickr.com/photos/markoallan/4095348698/in/pool-1184299@N24 Nov 11 20:42:17 really, you mean i'm not alone? Nov 11 20:42:55 Dell listed it at 600 in a catalog, a catalog with a 15 percent off coupon that included it Nov 11 20:43:14 andre__: Nov 11 20:43:17 > Add yourself to the "Bugsquad Members list below. Nov 11 20:43:24 parser expected " found EOL Nov 11 20:43:46 if the MSRP dropped, its probably because china's been chasing the US in a currency devaluation Nov 11 20:44:08 pwnguin: afaict the prices haven't really moved at all Nov 11 20:44:17 but the site that someone quoted was evil Nov 11 20:44:25 it seems like they unVAT'd the european price Nov 11 20:44:30 and then converted that into USD Nov 11 20:44:33 heh Nov 11 20:44:43 which is bogus because there's always a distinct price across the US/EU line Nov 11 20:44:46 and the US price is lower Nov 11 20:45:01 650USD+TAX is ~720USD not 750USD Nov 11 20:45:13 and the 500EUR is *not* with TAX Nov 11 20:45:21 so you wouldn't list the 720 number next to it Nov 11 20:45:34 500EUR can be converted to 750USD using a currency converter Nov 11 20:45:41 you should write them and ask thme to make a note in their style guide Nov 11 20:45:44 but again, 750 isn't the list price in the US Nov 11 20:45:54 timeless_mbp, thanks. fixed. Nov 11 20:46:00 because im sure linuxfordevices.com is a professional outfit that has things like style guides for their writers :) Nov 11 20:46:08 * timeless_mbp rotfl Nov 11 20:46:11 * timeless_mbp wanders out the door Nov 11 20:46:14 lets wait until it is one the market for a while Nov 11 20:48:35 Home directory /home/user not ours. Nov 11 20:48:41 i wonder if that's why i've been having issues. Nov 11 20:49:04 yup. /home/user owned by root Nov 11 20:49:52 pwnguin, sadly they seemed to have removed most contact options. Nov 11 20:50:02 I made an email for the guy, let's see if it bounces. Nov 11 20:50:37 s/made/made up/ Nov 11 20:50:38 GeneralAntilles meant: I made up an email for the guy, let's see if it bounces. Nov 11 20:54:03 Hi, how can I get my app added to the maemo 5 repos? Nov 11 20:56:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Nov 11 20:58:48 * timeless_ looks for sp3000 Nov 11 20:59:58 cool, just in time Nov 11 21:01:43 is the xephyr gui supposed to be running from the armel target? Nov 11 21:01:48 no Nov 11 21:02:11 GeneralAntilles, thanks, sorry for the obvious link Nov 11 21:02:29 Stskeeps: so it's not possible to arm apps from within the gui side, it has to be compiled as x86? Nov 11 21:03:03 yeah, there's a technical limitation Nov 11 21:03:15 you can test all you want on x86 and then as final act build as armel Nov 11 21:03:18 and put it on your device Nov 11 21:03:38 hiya KaKaRoTo-KS \o Nov 11 21:03:41 i never understood why nokia did that, i mean build an emulator and use that only Nov 11 21:03:52 lcuk, hey :) Nov 11 21:04:07 PortaLu: it is a little difficult to support GLES from within a user level emulated armel target Nov 11 21:04:18 and it's not an emulator as such. it's the actual SW running on your computer. Nov 11 21:04:27 * lcuk recognises more people every day lol Nov 11 21:04:43 well, with a fast machine it'd be usable Nov 11 21:04:45 anyway Nov 11 21:04:45 Stskeeps, spam link again before you start Nov 11 21:04:46 yeah, sbox is not an emu Nov 11 21:05:04 Stskeeps: is there a doc on how to add a new app? I want to port a compiler to this Nov 11 21:05:14 it's part of gcc, but no supported Nov 11 21:05:18 not Nov 11 21:05:20 :O i nearly spilt beer on my n900 o_O Nov 11 21:05:26 lcuk: k Nov 11 21:05:32 PortaLu: you're in for a lot of pain :/ Nov 11 21:05:44 Stskeeps: well Nov 11 21:05:47 i'll look Nov 11 21:05:52 i'm doing this someone else Nov 11 21:05:55 for Nov 11 21:05:59 scratchbox toolchains nearly drove me mad Nov 11 21:06:06 nice Nov 11 21:06:15 a friend asked me about adding gnat Nov 11 21:06:25 ada? :P Nov 11 21:06:27 y Nov 11 21:06:37 right, not worth loosing your sanity over Nov 11 21:06:37 :P Nov 11 21:06:42 well Nov 11 21:06:55 i need to do it anyway, it's a starting point for my own project Nov 11 21:07:00 KaKaRoTo-KS, which app are you wanting to add? Nov 11 21:07:00 sure it isn't part of the existing cross-compiler? Nov 11 21:07:39 arm isn't supported publicly, it's a faq in #Ada, I've meaning to look into it for a while Nov 11 21:07:48 lcuk, check http://amsn-project.net/new-www/download.php Nov 11 21:08:57 cool Nov 11 21:09:06 Stskeeps: so? pointers? Nov 11 21:09:11 :) Nov 11 21:09:20 about to officially announce/release it Nov 11 21:09:36 you have to go through extras-testing first really Nov 11 21:09:38 so you're THAT KaKaRoTo :) Nov 11 21:09:44 I was about to asking you :) Nov 11 21:09:48 PortaLu: you're better off building a toolchain outside scratchbox environment and then adding it to use it Nov 11 21:10:12 Lorthirk, lol, yeah :) Nov 11 21:10:19 am I that famous? ^o) Nov 11 21:10:22 so once you have uploaded to -devel, you have to get 10 sucke errrr testers to verify that all the QC criteria are accounted for Nov 11 21:11:01 lcuk, what sucks is that Tk is not hildonized Nov 11 21:11:01 Stskeeps: you mean, build the cross compiler outside sb and then copy it across into the sandbox? Nov 11 21:11:16 well, since i'm on a mac where no official msn nor cocoa-based serious messengers are avaialable ... yes, you are :) Nov 11 21:11:29 you dont have to be hildonized, you have to be stable and usable however Nov 11 21:11:36 PortaLu: and then i would use scratchbox2 / maemo sdk+ to avoid going completely mad Nov 11 21:11:38 oh cool then :) Nov 11 21:11:50 Lorthirk, hehe, yeah, mac users love us :) Nov 11 21:12:16 does amsn support logged in at multiple places yet? ;o Nov 11 21:12:19 even if i'm switching back to win+lin Nov 11 21:12:24 as long as the app doesnt blow up in peoples face, run viruses, drain battery or the normal "bad app" syndrome, you should get it through Nov 11 21:12:48 Stskeeps: k thanka Nov 11 21:12:51 a/s Nov 11 21:12:52 frals, if you enable a hidden option, yes.. but you loose support for P2P (display pictures, custom emoticons) because the protocol changed Nov 11 21:13:04 cool Nov 11 21:16:24 god, garage is so slow.. Nov 11 21:18:22 any new on dates ? Nov 11 21:19:22 what? they're shipping Nov 11 21:19:22 :P Nov 11 21:19:46 ];/ Nov 11 21:20:34 * SpeedEvil checks his order status page. Nov 11 21:20:42 oh, n900 in uk for free with contract: http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/p26078.htm Nov 11 21:20:46 nope Nov 11 21:21:29 dluu Nov 11 21:22:07 deliery mid nogv clsaim i see Nov 11 21:27:00 would anyone know what might be the reason for my facebook widget on n900 to only give the message "you have no status updates" and nothing else? Nov 11 21:27:25 i've tried with different accounts, but the facebook widget never updates Nov 11 21:28:11 (please tell me if the question is inappropriate here. i'm kind of new here on the maemo irc channel) Nov 11 21:29:39 do you have any friends? Nov 11 21:29:41 edgar21, fixed already - see bugs.maemo.org ;-) Nov 11 21:29:42 * Stskeeps ducks. Nov 11 21:30:18 edgar21, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6095 Nov 11 21:30:19 Bug 6095: Facebook widget does not update status feed anymore Nov 11 21:30:35 just upgrade "feedservice-plugin-fb" to 0.4.7 Nov 11 21:34:30 thanks povbot and andre_ Nov 11 21:34:53 no problem Nov 11 21:35:44 heh @ povbot gettin karma (H) Nov 11 21:36:25 andre__, the bug report, its not a serious problem because it only occurs after new (unlike old media scanner which when amock anytime) Nov 11 21:36:25 :) Nov 11 21:36:35 * lcuk robink Nov 11 21:36:41 Robot101 \o even Nov 11 21:36:45 word Nov 11 21:36:52 will feedservice-plugin-fb be upgraded most easily by temporarily enabling extras-devel? Nov 11 21:38:13 hmm apparently not Nov 11 21:42:25 edgar21: it's not in Extras-Devel, it's in "Nokia Applications" Nov 11 21:43:57 oh. Nov 11 21:44:24 so how is it updated? Nov 11 21:44:46 it's not to be found either in installed applications or the download section Nov 11 21:44:56 and "nokia applications" is enabled in repository Nov 11 21:45:53 * edgar21 has the feeling something obvious is unknown to him Nov 11 21:48:23 Lorthirk, lcuk : amsn new website is up, with maemo page :) Nov 11 21:48:33 cool :) Nov 11 21:48:37 now about 10 million users will go to the website and see the maemo link :p Nov 11 21:48:44 can't wait to use it when i'll get n900 Nov 11 21:48:58 Lorthirk, you know it's a memory hog, right? :) Nov 11 21:49:06 of course i do Nov 11 21:49:17 it works quite well, but quite slow to start Nov 11 21:49:27 but we have a tiny little monster in our hands :) Nov 11 21:49:37 * Stskeeps rather likes telepathy-butterfly Nov 11 21:49:38 seems to do a lot of IO, slowing down the device (during startup, and connecting) Nov 11 21:49:42 Lorthirk, it is :) Nov 11 21:50:05 Stskeeps, yeah, and butterfly should have audio/video call support too, so that's awesome Nov 11 21:50:07 i'd just love to be a decent developer so i would have my say in the n900 world :( Nov 11 21:50:18 hehe Nov 11 21:50:52 Lorthirk: Devote the time to it, and you can gain a clue. Nov 11 21:50:54 Stskeeps: have you tried video to an n810? or Karmic? Nov 11 21:51:24 toggles_w: i haven't tried video as the front camera is acting funny Nov 11 21:51:26 SpeedEvil: you're right, fo sure... but i'm so... how can i say, scared of some things Nov 11 21:51:55 i'm graduated in computer sciences so i'm supposed to be fast learning those kind of things Nov 11 21:52:00 but i just can't find a kickstart Nov 11 21:53:39 evening crashanddie Nov 11 21:58:40 * Jaffa should go to bed, as he's on GMT+1 and several (ish) pints up Nov 11 21:58:46 Samuel Adams Winter Lager FTWQ Nov 11 21:58:48 -Q Nov 11 21:59:39 those are quite nice indeed Nov 11 21:59:59 Much nicer than the normal Sam Adams that I've had in SF Nov 11 22:08:18 * SpeedEvil wonders if londo has the haircut. Nov 11 22:10:12 will the N900 work with my BTH 100HX+ firmware revision 41.56E6 variant A2? Nov 11 22:10:56 javispedro: Yes, as long as you enable the N900's compass and remember the cross-link the reciprocating splines Nov 11 22:11:22 that's GREAT! Nov 11 22:11:34 * javispedro proposes creating of do-not-talk.maemo.org subdomain Nov 11 22:11:43 s/creating/creation Nov 11 22:11:56 for what ? lol Nov 11 22:12:26 not talking about when is it released, of course! Nov 11 22:12:27 wtf is a prat? Nov 11 22:12:42 is that like british for prick or asshole or something? Nov 11 22:12:56 Macer: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prat Nov 11 22:13:03 Macer: seems so ("fool") Nov 11 22:13:38 * Stskeeps notes that n900 can take a lot of beatings. Nov 11 22:14:31 Macer: Yes, "prat" is an occasionally affectionate and not-as-offensive version of "asshole" Nov 11 22:14:44 see also "plonker" Nov 11 22:17:56 haha Nov 11 22:19:44 hmm... kinetic scrolling is shiny, but when I saw that my *terminal* had kinetic scrolling, I wasn't sure whether that was awesome or disgusting :P Nov 11 22:19:54 heh Nov 11 22:20:41 I know you can reflash your N810 if it messes up, but is there any methods to make your own flash image of exactly the way you have your device now? Nov 11 22:21:20 RedPenguin, not easily, however, if you're cloning your install to a card, there is a "backup" option that will do much the same thing Nov 11 22:21:34 it just tar's the filesystem, though Nov 11 22:21:43 Oh I see what you mean Nov 11 22:21:57 Wasn't sure if there was a way to using USB or possibly Network Access send everything over basically Nov 11 22:22:14 Kinda likleg what you do with imaging a desktop basically Nov 11 22:22:23 RedPenguin: you can try to use rsync Nov 11 22:22:26 like not likleg Nov 11 22:22:28 but you ahve to be careful Nov 11 22:22:44 RedPenguin, what I mentioned was just like ZIPping everything and putting it back on later Nov 11 22:22:50 s/ahve/have/ Nov 11 22:22:51 timeless_mbp meant: but you have to be careful Nov 11 22:23:08 * Stskeeps untars mer image onto his n900 microsd Nov 11 22:24:16 good luck :) Nov 11 22:24:35 how does voting work? Nov 11 22:24:43 do we have to promote non user/ packages? Nov 11 22:24:58 I will have to try some of those methods, seems nicer than nothing but a 100% factory every time Nov 11 22:25:15 RedPenguin: the native backup is not too bad Nov 11 22:25:15 regarding Qt for the N900, my prof preinstalled the Qt packages for me, but it appears they weren't optified (coming from extras-devel), and they filled up my device quite quickly Nov 11 22:25:23 you can add packages to add extra data for backup/restore Nov 11 22:25:26 is someone going to package them properly soon? Nov 11 22:25:28 and if you backup package lists Nov 11 22:25:35 you can arrange to pull in your data Nov 11 22:25:44 jaem: ouch Nov 11 22:25:55 jaem: find the maintainer and complain :) Nov 11 22:26:08 timeless_mbp, willdo Nov 11 22:26:14 it's *kind of* an issue Nov 11 22:30:01 timeless_mbp, Eric updated the Linux for Devices story. Nov 11 22:30:10 with less lame numbers? Nov 11 22:30:14 timeless_mbp, apparently eWeek was responsible for the screwups since it was mostly a mirrored article. Nov 11 22:30:27 did someone contact eWeek? Nov 11 22:30:36 btw, you wanted a headsup for when i go on a bug spree? Nov 11 22:30:37 headsup Nov 11 22:31:11 timeless_mbp, I think I have a bit of a buffer from you right now, actually. Nov 11 22:31:25 ... Nov 11 22:32:16 Hey forwarded my email on to eWeek. Nov 11 22:32:54 868 vs 836 Nov 11 22:32:58 Guess not. ;) Nov 11 22:33:04 * GeneralAntilles will find more bugs when I get PR 1.0 Nov 11 22:33:52 hey, a story with screwups? Nov 11 22:33:53 me wants Nov 11 22:34:15 javispedro, too bad, they fixed it. ;) Nov 11 22:34:53 868? Nov 11 22:35:05 :( Nov 11 22:37:08 GeneralAntilles: did you see the Wired article? Nov 11 22:39:14 and the ibtimes n900 v. htc/droid Nov 11 22:40:07 cya all Nov 11 22:43:13 jo pupnik Nov 11 22:47:13 timeless_mbp, newer than the old one? Nov 11 22:47:20 where's Khertan Nov 11 22:47:47 dunno Nov 11 22:47:50 i don't read articles often Nov 11 22:53:11 timeless_mbp, http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/hands-on-with-nokias-n900/ ? Nov 11 22:53:36 something else i think Nov 11 22:53:39 oh, no Nov 11 22:53:44 yeah, something else? Nov 11 22:53:46 not sure Nov 11 22:53:48 my memory sucks :) Nov 11 22:53:56 Apparently. Nov 11 22:54:29 yeah, that one's old Nov 11 22:54:47 * timeless_mbp ponders Nov 11 22:54:49 this is fun Nov 11 22:54:56 we're fighting about who should do work Nov 11 22:54:59 the browser team or the flash team Nov 11 22:55:24 flash Nov 11 22:55:25 by flash team you mean the adobe one? they actually _work_? Nov 11 22:55:31 ;) Nov 11 22:56:00 hm this trolltech javascript statemachine is somehow cool Nov 11 22:56:22 no, we have our own flash team Nov 11 22:56:32 Some insane stuff has been done in JS. Nov 11 22:56:56 http://matt.west.co.tt/spectrum/jsspeccy/ Nov 11 22:57:10 timeless_mbp: quick browser question: currently if "mouse mode" is enabled and a page refreshes, mouse mode gets disabled. just wondering whether that was a design decision Nov 11 22:57:19 dunno Nov 11 22:57:25 probably an impl detail Nov 11 22:57:40 that's unlikely to be something that was actively specified by the ui designer Nov 11 22:57:54 ahh ok, thx Nov 11 22:59:59 oh Nov 11 23:00:06 offhand, the reason is probably because if you click a link Nov 11 23:00:12 and the link takes you to a *different* page Nov 11 23:00:18 you probably don't want to retain mouse mode Nov 11 23:00:42 the browser ui probably doesn't understand much about the distinction between the same page/domain and a different page/domain/site Nov 11 23:01:08 ahh, that could be Nov 11 23:01:20 so Nov 11 23:01:23 before you file Nov 11 23:01:43 see if you can find a decent definition/algorithm to distinguish between those cases Nov 11 23:02:10 okay sure Nov 11 23:04:14 sorry, thinking is a painful task.. and not immediate :) Nov 11 23:13:18 n900 should get a quick-tap audio recording app Nov 11 23:13:23 for emergencies Nov 11 23:14:06 like the media player widget? only with a record button instead of play button Nov 11 23:14:27 the camera button could be a bit more intelligent Nov 11 23:14:36 maybe holding it with the camera lens closed could start recording Nov 11 23:14:49 Or just opening the shutter records audio Nov 11 23:14:56 not sure - recently a Ron Paul aide was illegally arrested by Transportation Security Authorities and recorded the abuse with his iphone. The resulting scandal changed airport security guidelines. Nov 11 23:15:13 * SpeedEvil misread that as 'Rue Pail' Nov 11 23:15:16 paul Nov 11 23:15:27 Are you stupid or evil? Nov 11 23:15:35 Ru Paul? Nov 11 23:15:59 never heard of Ron Paul Nov 11 23:16:18 The point being, the utility of recording government criminals. Nov 11 23:17:04 who said ron? Nov 11 23:17:33 the first 6 tmo users sorted by username: !! bubblers, !! glassbongs, !! glasspipes, !! headshop, !! marijuanaseeds, !! medicalmarijuana Nov 11 23:17:41 I think that speaks about the rest... Nov 11 23:18:01 * Stskeeps ponders how to temporarily disable the cover check in kernel Nov 11 23:19:03 what does cover check influence? can i flash with cover off Stskeeps ? Nov 11 23:19:15 it influences access to ext sd Nov 11 23:19:20 k Nov 11 23:19:25 ah, the battery cover? Nov 11 23:19:35 yes, of course :P Nov 11 23:19:56 oh, androidandme.com at planet.maemo very suitable feed, lol Nov 11 23:21:12 lol :) Nov 11 23:21:40 * javispedro likes "maemo.org Applications" better than extras Nov 11 23:21:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=373004#post373004 Nov 11 23:24:29 +1 Nov 11 23:27:56 I'm fighting it Nov 11 23:28:33 4 years of inertia behind 'Extras' Nov 11 23:28:50 and we certainly aren't changing the name everywhere else. Nov 11 23:28:54 Inertia that nobody cares about Nov 11 23:28:57 hrm Nov 11 23:29:00 so http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20091105/smartphone-wars-nokia-n900-versus-htc-hd2-versus-motorola-droid-one.htm Nov 11 23:29:04 says there's an IR port Nov 11 23:29:08 there is Nov 11 23:29:09 maemo.org Extras & Applications Nov 11 23:29:10 :) Nov 11 23:29:11 has anyone ever actually disassembled it Nov 11 23:29:16 and seen if the IR port does anything? Nov 11 23:29:22 timeless_mbp, can you go find the person that made this stupid decision and hit them? Nov 11 23:29:23 timeless_mbp: irrecco video on youtube Nov 11 23:29:45 Applications is a misnomer anyway. Nov 11 23:29:47 GAN900: i don't have the energy for that Nov 11 23:29:49 timeless_mbp: On recipt of two n900s, I will completely strip one, and perform a component level breakdown on it. Nov 11 23:30:14 As lots of the stuff in Extras isn't anything of the sort. Nov 11 23:30:31 GAN900: Exactly! Nov 11 23:30:37 that's why I was going to say Nov 11 23:30:50 that I'd like to get the "Extras" moniker back to a less QA'd repo Nov 11 23:30:57 Applications should be stuff like openstreetmap editors, photo manupulation software, ... Nov 11 23:31:10 extras - better brightness applets, moocow, ... Nov 11 23:31:27 Unilateral discussion-free bullshit seems to be what Maemo's about these days. Nov 11 23:31:36 good night people Nov 11 23:31:38 heh Nov 11 23:31:39 :/ Nov 11 23:31:40 night Nov 11 23:31:43 nite Nov 11 23:32:09 * GAN900 is going to work himself into a frothing rage in a minute. Nov 11 23:32:43 "Increases Physical damage and attack speed by 50%." interesting. Nov 11 23:34:19 * timeless_mbp frowns Nov 11 23:34:28 can someone help me find a contact for ibtimes.co.uk? Nov 11 23:39:26 GAN900: No kidding. Nov 11 23:40:12 Maybe I'd feel better if I hit myself in the head with a ball-peen hammer. Nov 11 23:40:45 extras doesnt translate well to danish Nov 11 23:41:25 Good for Danish. Nov 11 23:41:26 What the... Nov 11 23:41:31 and at least here, people would look at something named "an extra" with disdain -- like if it were some merchandising. Nov 11 23:41:36 why are they changing it to applications? Makes zero sense. Nov 11 23:41:55 zerojay, because Nokia, apparently, loves discussion-free unilateral decisions. Nov 11 23:41:56 And everyone searching is going to be asking "where's this maemo extras?" Nov 11 23:42:03 i18n? Nov 11 23:42:36 zerojay: that's happening already. Nov 11 23:42:44 javispedro: I can imagine. Nov 11 23:43:01 argh. Nov 11 23:43:08 Stskeeps: internationalization Nov 11 23:43:08 when are we going to delete all wiki articles talking about R&D mode? talking about the app mgr allowing installation of .debs? talking about the rotation support kernel patch? Nov 11 23:43:10 etc. etc. etc. Nov 11 23:44:20 gah, this sux http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372947&postcount=383 Nov 11 23:44:27 who can i kill to get my n900 ? Nov 11 23:44:32 there has to be someone Nov 11 23:44:33 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3307#c14 Nov 11 23:44:34 :< Nov 11 23:44:35 Bug 3307: "maemo Extras" in Application manager should be "Extras" Nov 11 23:44:38 timeless_mbp: i know :P how would you translate Extras to some of the langs you know? Nov 11 23:44:53 Stskeeps: oh, i'm sure i translate it :) Nov 11 23:44:56 don't worry Nov 11 23:45:01 they're probably following process Nov 11 23:45:05 although i don't really want to look Nov 11 23:45:08 Stskeeps, Portuguese: Extras Nov 11 23:45:09 :P Nov 11 23:45:15 ^^ +1 Nov 11 23:45:16 actually Nov 11 23:45:17 no. Nov 11 23:45:24 because the repo names are hard coded Nov 11 23:45:26 Don't translate it. Nov 11 23:45:33 e.g. the stupid one that had 'Foopy Catalogue' Nov 11 23:45:33 It's a brand. Nov 11 23:45:38 which looked wrong for US English Nov 11 23:45:45 or 'Barpy Catalog' Nov 11 23:45:52 which looked wrong for UK English Nov 11 23:46:12 i'll write a package which fixes it :) Nov 11 23:46:25 and we can make most people depend on my package :) Nov 11 23:46:27 well then, post the name change to the mailing list and let the flame fests start! /me goes grab some popcorn Nov 11 23:46:46 actually Nov 11 23:47:03 we noted at dinner that we should probably hack gconf to store all prefs in ~ instead of / Nov 11 23:47:05 * GeneralAntilles isn't going to answer any questions about the "Applications" catalog. Nov 11 23:47:08 to protect against flashing behavior Nov 11 23:47:40 I guess we have made some progress Nov 11 23:47:48 GeneralAntilles: if it comes enabled... Nov 11 23:47:54 anyway Nov 11 23:48:00 lemme figure out the other stuff first Nov 11 23:48:04 At least Nokia is informing us of their unilateral decisions before they deploy them Nov 11 23:48:08 like ... can someone help me build a package Nov 11 23:48:22 Although sometimes they like to just inform us that they've made them Nov 11 23:48:31 not give away any of the actual content Nov 11 23:48:35 * GeneralAntilles glares at konttori. Nov 11 23:48:38 GeneralAntilles: do you guys object to me pushing a non-free package to extras? :) Nov 11 23:48:48 timeless_mbp, why's it non-free? Nov 11 23:48:55 I object to laziness-induced non-free Nov 11 23:48:58 because i'm lazy Nov 11 23:49:00 * GeneralAntilles glares at konttori some more. Nov 11 23:49:05 ok ok Nov 11 23:49:13 so i guess i need to write some more magic Nov 11 23:49:14 * timeless_mbp sighs Nov 11 23:50:10 Even if I object, though, you're free to do it anyway. ;) Nov 11 23:50:19 * timeless_mbp frowns Nov 11 23:50:21 right, so um Nov 11 23:50:23 The guy holding the keys is on vacation for the next few weeks. Nov 11 23:50:23 how should i do this? Nov 11 23:50:28 So there's nobody to punish you. ;) Nov 11 23:50:28 ?? Nov 11 23:50:30 x-fade? Nov 11 23:50:33 Yeah Nov 11 23:51:17 GeneralAntilles: and I think this is one of those times that quim is just reporting an already made decision. Nov 11 23:51:39 javispedro, I'm goddamn tired of it. Nov 11 23:51:54 If they need to discuss something to come to a decision, do it out here. Nov 11 23:51:57 but don't worry, it may be changed again with the second maint. release! Nov 11 23:52:13 to "Extras & Applications" >:) Nov 11 23:52:16 Actually, I've got one more point to pull out. Nov 11 23:53:11 * javispedro notes voting for a bug is the best way to add oneself to the CC list without noise Nov 11 23:53:28 Nokia can't justifiably rename a community-owned repository. Nov 11 23:54:27 that's a good point indeed, the repo is owned by maemo.org after all. Nov 11 23:54:52 * Stskeeps still only believes in the unholy trinity of community os, shared platform, commercial os. governance is way too hard in community governing a commercial project. Nov 11 23:54:54 If, however, they'd like to come out and discuss a name change with us, I'd welcome that. Nov 11 23:55:27 * javispedro doesn't believe at all in the bazaar model, but that's another story Nov 11 23:55:56 javispedro: that's basically why voting was invented Nov 11 23:55:57 shhhh... too noisy in this cathedral Nov 11 23:56:28 * timeless_mbp watches die hard while a shell script reorganizes the world Nov 11 23:56:28 i believe in it if it there is getting money traded in the bazaar Nov 11 23:56:39 :) Nov 11 23:59:07 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Nov 11 23:59:12 My neighbors like to smoke pot in their bathroom Nov 11 23:59:22 which of course means my bathroom smells overwhelmingly of pot Nov 11 23:59:37 So I get a headache every time I use the bathroom. . . . Nov 12 00:02:33 that sounds funny, but sucks. Nov 12 00:02:40 i would sue them without hesitation. Nov 12 00:03:11 GeneralAntilles: attach a tube to the gas, poke it through their window Nov 12 00:08:47 timeless_mbp, by the way, any blogs in the pipeline? Nov 12 00:08:59 I haven't seen one in months. Nov 12 00:09:01 GAN900: have you seen my monkey blogs? Nov 12 00:09:05 i haven't published them Nov 12 00:09:06 i should Nov 12 00:14:36 timeless_mbp, no. Nov 12 00:15:06 moneksy start at 159 Nov 12 00:15:10 and there are 3 Nov 12 00:26:51 GeneralAntilles: have you talked to your neighbors about this? Nov 12 00:27:58 wiretapped, thing I should buy them some Glade? ;) "Hey, these are pretty good for when you're smoking pot in the bathroom." Nov 12 00:30:11 that would be funny Nov 12 00:30:29 but just mentioning that (a) you can smell it and (b) are bothered by smelling it Nov 12 00:30:32 would probably solve the problem Nov 12 00:31:02 All of those stairs, though. . . . :P Nov 12 00:31:22 heh Nov 12 00:33:11 GeneralAntilles: did you read them? Nov 12 00:33:24 * timeless_mbp kicks virtualbox's networking stack Nov 12 00:34:04 timeless_mbp, yes, funny. Nov 12 00:34:30 i should write one or two on api design and impl Nov 12 00:34:37 something to explain how not to pick apis to use in products Nov 12 00:35:17 um Nov 12 00:35:27 my Mer has a dns entry from comcast.net Nov 12 00:35:32 * timeless_mbp wonders how it managed that Nov 12 00:35:45 hsdl.ca.comcast.net Nov 12 00:36:01 Blame johnx? Nov 12 00:36:05 s/l/1/ Nov 12 00:36:05 timeless_mbp meant: hsd1.ca.comcast.net Nov 12 00:36:17 why? Nov 12 00:36:24 He's on Comcast Nov 12 00:36:28 He works on Mer. Nov 12 00:36:39 timeless_mbp: in where? Nov 12 00:36:56 /etc/resolv.conf Nov 12 00:37:13 probably means my last dns was from my visit to CA last week Nov 12 00:37:18 yeah Nov 12 00:37:20 bridged Nov 12 00:37:33 too bad i don't really want taht Nov 12 00:37:36 s/taht/that/ Nov 12 00:37:37 timeless_mbp meant: too bad i don't really want that Nov 12 00:37:38 how do i kick it? Nov 12 00:37:50 i rebooted and down/up'd the network on both sides.. Nov 12 00:38:03 reconnect with networkmanager or dhclient eth0 Nov 12 00:40:19 javispedro, ping Nov 12 00:40:26 VDVsx: pong Nov 12 00:40:40 javispedro, there's a bank holiday weekend in spain ? Nov 12 00:42:18 javispedro, or something similar happening in the same weekend as the maemo-BCN event Nov 12 00:42:32 VDVsx: Nothing that I know off... Nov 12 00:43:15 javispedro, I'm asking because of this tweet: https://twitter.com/_kriksu/status/5614238170 Nov 12 00:44:52 VDVsx: well, dec 6th & 8th are indeed national holidays, but I think Quim knew that and is the reason for the "long weekend" motto... Nov 12 00:48:12 stupid me learns that bank holiday is exactly what I mean with "national holiday" Nov 12 00:50:41 javispedro, yeah, I learned that too :P Nov 12 00:53:49 lol Nov 12 00:54:36 vala is pretty cool Nov 12 00:55:55 VDVsx: I guess certain people may have "some other plans" -- hopefully Citilab itself doesn't, which should be qgil's main priority if he didn't know :P Nov 12 00:56:12 pupnik: agreed, shows promise. Nov 12 00:57:29 javispedro, yup Nov 12 01:11:38 is there a youtube fmÃt that works with n8x0 mplayer? i tried &fmt=6 but that yields video at 1/2 speed, with normal speed audio Nov 12 01:12:20 was hoping to find a youtube fmt= that works well Nov 12 01:12:54 and curse them for such a heavy video format Nov 12 01:21:48 i will be interviewed at http://www.tllts.org/ in about 8 minutes if anyone wants to listen in Nov 12 01:22:06 about the Mer project Nov 12 01:30:36 tits.org? Nov 12 01:30:39 oh. Nov 12 01:30:42 damn font. Nov 12 01:30:47 who has feed for stskeeps interview? Nov 12 01:31:03 url, stream Nov 12 01:35:51 Stskeeps, evening Nov 12 01:36:36 awesome interview Nov 12 01:36:57 was on front page - my browser skipped past the fp- Nov 12 01:40:33 stream dead? Nov 12 01:40:40 Working here. Nov 12 01:41:29 can not connect here any more Nov 12 01:42:35 is the internet getting slower? Nov 12 01:43:05 pupnik: no, we're capping you. Nov 12 01:43:59 stream back on setbit Nov 12 01:44:07 in case anyone here doesn't know how IRC works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ Nov 12 01:46:21 wow interviewer is semi awol Nov 12 01:47:06 hmm, does finefm on Mer work with ke-recv to do SD card plugging/unplugging magic? Nov 12 01:47:27 SHUT THAT WOMAN UP Nov 12 01:47:51 STREAM BROKE AGAIN Nov 12 01:53:12 hey all, is there any document on the net to explain how to download a big area for maemo mapper and save it on the device? I am going to another country and wont have any internet Nov 12 01:54:35 take photos, screenshots of maps and other interesting things as normal pictures. Nov 12 01:54:54 GuySoft: https://garage.maemo.org/viewvc/trunk/data/help/en_US/maemomapper.xml?root=maemo-mapper#help_maemomapper_mapman_Area_heading Nov 12 01:54:54 if any of your mapping solutions fails you will have them with you locally Nov 12 01:55:23 They need more prepared questions. Nov 12 01:55:28 Poor Carsten. Nov 12 01:55:41 where is this stream? Nov 12 01:55:48 http://stream.tllts.org:8000/tllts Nov 12 01:56:34 The IRC channel sucks, too. Nov 12 01:56:36 good job to Stskeeps Nov 12 01:57:35 "Let's talk about Droid!" Nov 12 02:07:46 strange, why all the google street maps fail to download?? Nov 12 02:09:01 not sure, but i noticed that recently too :( Nov 12 02:09:05 google must've changed something Nov 12 02:09:19 i carnt pull a thing, google must have changed something Nov 12 02:09:19 OSM and VE both worked when i tried a week ago Nov 12 02:09:26 but no google :( Nov 12 02:09:49 Not impressed by this show or its audience. Nov 12 02:09:54 OSM has gotten quite good lately though Nov 12 02:10:20 all these devices with linux based OSes... LOL Nov 12 02:10:43 good response to that from stskeeps Nov 12 02:11:42 i am going to sharem in Egypt.. i am not sure how many geeks with free time aree there Nov 12 02:11:44 are* Nov 12 02:15:00 stream died Nov 12 02:15:36 connection refused Nov 12 02:17:53 yes maemo mapper carnt access google anymore Nov 12 02:22:46 will maemo mapper manage to download 357000 maps?? Nov 12 02:24:40 for one thing, if your filesystem block size is 4KB that will require 1.3GB... Nov 12 02:25:01 and the map provider might block you before you're done Nov 12 02:25:04 wirelessdreamer, i have 4G free on the sd Nov 12 02:25:09 wirelessdreamer, OSM? Nov 12 02:25:27 but i doubt maemo mapper will stop you Nov 12 02:25:59 its taking 175 RAM Nov 12 02:26:12 I don't know what OSM will do... I do know that long ago when google did work, google blocked me after only a few thousand tiles Nov 12 02:26:25 Worst. Interviewers. Ever. Nov 12 02:26:35 ill try.. Nov 12 02:27:00 GeneralAntilles: are you messing with texas? Nov 12 02:27:26 Anytime! Anywhere! Nov 12 02:36:02 Stskeeps, nice job! Nov 12 02:36:08 thanks Nov 12 02:36:14 Stskeeps, you did nearly as well as Quim handling incompetent interviewers. ;) Nov 12 02:49:13 jesus, that was rough Nov 12 02:49:54 I can confirm that World of Goo runs in scratchbox! Nov 12 02:51:47 congrats :) Nov 12 02:51:56 ++ dmj726 Nov 12 02:52:46 THe application manager won't accept the .deb, but you can just use the .tar.gz version Nov 12 02:52:47 hey everybody Nov 12 02:53:00 anyone know anything about PAN on maemo? Nov 12 02:53:21 so far i've got everything working except DNS Nov 12 02:53:24 Extract it to a folder on the scratchbox install and run it from the command line. Nov 12 02:53:57 i can go to google's IP for example but if i try to use www.google.com it doesnt resolve Nov 12 02:54:05 also now i have issues SSH'ing on my network Nov 12 02:54:51 Stskeeps, no kidding. Nov 12 02:54:56 Stskeeps, seriously, though, good job. Nov 12 02:56:16 is there an easy way to reset the network settings on the N800 to default? Nov 12 02:56:20 wait. Does scratchbox use full opengl or es2.0? Nov 12 02:58:16 dmj726: full opengl probably... Nov 12 02:58:42 hmm...may need more than a recompile then **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 12 02:59:57 2009