**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 30 02:59:58 2009 Nov 30 03:01:19 ShadowJK_, info? Nov 30 03:07:38 gconftool-2 -t list -s --list-type string /apps/osso/xterm/keys "[bar,Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down]" Nov 30 03:07:57 gconftool-2 -t list -s --list-type string /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels "[|,Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn]" Nov 30 03:08:17 thanks! Nov 30 03:08:50 huh, pasting multiple lines from Notes to xchat didn't work :) Nov 30 03:09:24 (had to manually copy both individually) Nov 30 03:09:39 hmm... do you know of any Maemo apps that connect to a BT device which I could use for reference? Nov 30 03:09:57 I'm trying to figure out how best to do this, and it's taking forever Nov 30 03:10:21 I saw one in extras claiming to send arbitrary files over bluetooth Nov 30 03:10:30 right! Nov 30 03:10:31 thanks Nov 30 03:10:33 is there a food or drug i can take that will make video games feel like i was 9 years old in 1978? Nov 30 03:11:06 pupnik, were you eating or on drugs when you were 9? Nov 30 03:11:11 that might make a difference Nov 30 03:11:26 no, i was just new Nov 30 03:11:34 lol Nov 30 03:12:00 salute jaem :) Nov 30 03:12:13 we are on a quest Nov 30 03:12:25 heh Nov 30 03:13:14 just looking at a cup my mom bought. remembering her expression as she suggested we buy it. Nov 30 03:14:05 ? Nov 30 03:15:14 oh, there's bluemaemo, of course :) Nov 30 03:16:26 ShadowJK_, yes, but that's the opposite of what I need Nov 30 03:19:28 lol @ ad fail: "Find Zellers Store Hours at Great Prices" Nov 30 03:19:33 wait... now I need to pay for that? Nov 30 03:19:51 I used to just have to wait through annoying phone messages telling me to get lost and visit the website Nov 30 03:22:56 opposite? I'm not sure there's a difference :) Nov 30 03:23:14 atleast not the connecting bit of it Nov 30 03:24:13 also Petrovich Nov 30 03:46:20 the app manager needs to detect and display new apps Nov 30 03:47:14 it'd be kinda funny now when the repos die and resurrect all the time :) Nov 30 03:47:31 ShadowJK_, the issue is that I need to scan to see if a known device is around, and if so, connect to it silently, only asking the user to search/pair if it can't find a trusted device Nov 30 03:48:09 asidjazz, patches welcome. ;) Nov 30 03:49:07 ShadowJK_, and I'm just not sure what the best way to do that is Nov 30 03:52:48 any one know about the cybermonday thing ? Nov 30 03:56:26 reply sent to: Nov 30 03:56:27 marketing@12345.ovi.com Nov 30 03:56:47 it makes you stupid philosohper Nov 30 03:57:08 philosohper, what's this about? Nov 30 03:57:35 my tits Nov 30 03:57:48 pupnik: ? Nov 30 03:58:05 sorry drive by comment Nov 30 03:58:17 philosohper: just read some rumor on t.m.o about a cerbermonday rebate code for nokia usa Nov 30 03:58:49 i hate phrases like 'black friday', 'cyber monday' and hope people who find such things meaningful have industrial accidents involving reproductive organs. Nov 30 03:59:00 ah Nov 30 04:05:16 FYI, qdbus tools available here: http://adrestia.creativemisconfiguration.com/files/ffejery/maemo/qt/ Nov 30 04:05:23 for the N900, that is Nov 30 04:05:48 I thought they might be useful for someone Nov 30 04:06:06 who have better touch iphone 3gs or n900 ? Nov 30 04:06:19 depends Nov 30 04:06:30 on how you use them Nov 30 04:06:46 what do you mean depens Nov 30 04:06:48 you can explain ? Nov 30 04:06:52 i phone has multitouch and is capacitive Nov 30 04:07:01 so your finger has to touch it Nov 30 04:07:11 but you can use a bunch of fingers if you want and they all register Nov 30 04:07:29 i dont really need a multitouch Nov 30 04:07:34 just a better touch Nov 30 04:07:59 n900 requires pressure as opposed to requiring your finger to conduct electricity Nov 30 04:08:02 for messages ( i want to use virtual qwerty keyboard) and internet and numbers.. Nov 30 04:08:28 why? Nov 30 04:08:44 n900 is a better typing experience since it has real buttons Nov 30 04:08:52 it's not really that much thicker considering it has a full keyboard Nov 30 04:09:19 yes i know but i prefer virtual keyboard Nov 30 04:09:32 * rm_you|wtf boggles Nov 30 04:09:38 * jkimball4 boggles too Nov 30 04:09:45 * rm_you|wtf pokes tran228 Nov 30 04:09:45 so you know virtual is crap, but you still prefer it? Nov 30 04:09:49 are you a REAL person? Nov 30 04:09:58 * rm_you|wtf thinks we should run a turing test Nov 30 04:10:18 i love the touch Nov 30 04:11:08 I can swipe the smudges off the screen without it registering touches Nov 30 04:11:33 but no problem activating context menus and picking the right option even with fingers Nov 30 04:11:43 i guess.. might as well use someone else finger.. you'll get just as much tactile sensation Nov 30 04:11:52 the n8x0 touchscreen made it hard even with stylus Nov 30 04:13:03 fix fuckin pulseaudio Nov 30 04:13:11 nokia x6 will be better :) Nov 30 04:13:22 pulseaudio = manure Nov 30 04:13:39 i think we will have to live with it Nov 30 04:13:58 i think we will have to live with n900 being as fast as n800 when it plays back audio Nov 30 04:14:28 which was slower than N770 in some ways Nov 30 04:14:44 come on Nov 30 04:14:47 you guys Nov 30 04:14:54 tell me how to disable eq and x-prot Nov 30 04:15:00 i will be an annoying ass if you don't Nov 30 04:15:23 i'm a black belt at that Nov 30 04:16:25 ok, unfair, 5:15 am Nov 30 04:16:36 4 weeks nokia Nov 30 04:16:38 bbl Nov 30 04:17:21 who's the contact for the Maemo connectivity stacks? Nov 30 04:20:02 "Think in terms of finding the double barrel shotgun in Doom, getting the Holy Grenade in Worms, looting an epic item in WoW, getting super cow powers in Aptitude." - lol Nov 30 04:37:21 with headphones the lowest volume setting on n900 isn't low enough :/ Nov 30 04:37:49 but the sound is much less hissy than on n8x0 :) Nov 30 04:37:49 just turn your ears down Nov 30 04:38:02 huh Nov 30 04:38:15 worksforme... but... I think I was using my n810'ss headphones Nov 30 04:38:16 your ears don't have volume controls? Nov 30 04:38:29 huh you cant turn it to nearly silence? Nov 30 04:38:57 * cehteh thinks thats a bug Nov 30 04:39:32 same for lighting ... can you turn it as much down that its barely readable in a dark room? Nov 30 04:40:03 * cehteh has his laptop brightness almost always down at the lowest level Nov 30 04:40:17 * Chani thinks it's a bug that turning the volume down doesn't affect sound effects Nov 30 04:40:20 have to actually set it to sielent mode to avoid being woinken up by random messages Nov 30 04:40:20 it doesn't go as low as n810 with the combined brightness and volume applet Nov 30 04:40:41 urgs Nov 30 04:40:59 I wish I could turn off ts sounds but keep the vib Nov 30 04:42:18 ShadowJK_, we're working on it. ;) Nov 30 04:43:18 * ShadowJK_ ponders about volume Nov 30 04:45:28 the lowest isn't uncomfortably loud, but it's significantly louder than what I usually listen at, and obviously very far from a what I'd listen at f I just want something qin the background.. Nov 30 04:45:43 something quiet* Nov 30 04:46:42 my issue is that I have to turn notification sounds off when I go to sleep so that a daily digest e-mail doesn't wake me up at 4am, but then I forget to switch it back on Nov 30 04:47:00 Chani, hi Nov 30 04:47:04 o hai Nov 30 04:47:16 I was just discussing my DBus problem with the folks in #qt Nov 30 04:47:22 I think it's just bad docs on Nokia's part Nov 30 04:47:30 which has made me waste quite a bit of time :/ Nov 30 04:47:48 it happens Nov 30 04:47:52 heh Nov 30 04:47:55 i know its frustrating Nov 30 04:47:59 oh nice. alsamixer can make it go lower Nov 30 04:48:15 well, when the docs say a method returns something, and it apparently doesn't, and you're new enough to the technology that you don't realize that... Nov 30 04:48:19 it's really frustrating Nov 30 04:48:21 lol Nov 30 04:48:36 yes Nov 30 04:48:47 and try to take notes jaem Nov 30 04:48:48 ShadowJK_, is the system notification volume handled on a layer above alsa? Nov 30 04:48:52 i was always bad at that Nov 30 04:48:57 gst-? Nov 30 04:49:05 pupnik, yes, I am going to write a long blog post about this afterward :P Nov 30 04:49:09 jaem: dunno Nov 30 04:49:11 and then e-mail it to myself two days ago Nov 30 04:49:15 -grin- Nov 30 04:49:42 seriously, though - the lack of a good, solid, up-to-date tutorial on BlueZ is astounding Nov 30 04:49:46 i have the silent profile on now anyway Nov 30 04:50:05 everything I can find is outdated, incomplete, or far too verbose for a beginner Nov 30 04:50:21 yes Nov 30 04:50:30 there was a book that looked helpful, but it wasn't free, wasn't in my uni's library, and was probably outdated too :/ Nov 30 04:50:31 sigh Nov 30 04:50:54 and the userspace tools no longer work with bluez, so you can spend days wondering wtf Nov 30 04:51:07 ShadowJK_, which tools? Nov 30 04:51:44 rfcomm was dead at one point Nov 30 04:51:57 it would be kind of nice if you could define your own profiles, e.g. ring for calls, but not e-mail/IM alerts, but that would likely be too complicated for most users Nov 30 04:52:04 wait... what? Nov 30 04:52:04 k Nov 30 04:52:09 you mean rfcomm the program? Nov 30 04:52:15 yeah Nov 30 04:52:19 wheew Nov 30 04:52:33 I thought you meant the rfcomm subsystem, and I was temporarily feeling doomed ;) Nov 30 04:53:31 no fuse on the n900 kernel? Nov 30 04:53:42 * ShadowJK_ sets PCM to -18dB with alsamixer Nov 30 04:54:07 I bet it will be too quiet without headphones now.. Nov 30 04:55:26 ah no. it reset eveything to 0dB.. good thing i didnt touch the uservisible sound controls or Id be deaf now :) Nov 30 05:14:28 the usa is a meat malignancy Nov 30 05:15:01 no wait Nov 30 05:15:04 better metaphor Nov 30 05:15:08 the USA is a hive of insects Nov 30 05:16:35 ^ and that kids, is why you shouldn't do drugs Nov 30 05:17:06 haha Nov 30 05:19:01 pupnik, :( Nov 30 05:19:20 cehteh: at least theres sshfs in repository Nov 30 05:19:41 ah ok, didnt found it on the emulator Nov 30 05:19:52 but some packages are only on ARMEL Nov 30 05:23:28 tigert, which repo? I'd been wondering about that Nov 30 05:23:42 that would greatly simplify my testing workflow Nov 30 05:26:20 doc|home: you sir are unwelcome here Nov 30 05:26:34 go Nov 30 05:26:46 you need kernel support for fuse, that was my initial question Nov 30 05:27:10 you gain nothing from being here Nov 30 05:27:13 and you will cause harm Nov 30 05:27:19 doc|home: Nov 30 05:27:27 now now arnim, there's no need for that Nov 30 05:27:39 now now doc|home look at what i have for you Nov 30 05:27:41 guess no crypto in the kernel either so i have to build a kernel anyways :P Nov 30 05:27:51 do you want to chat live? Nov 30 05:28:03 why would I want to chat with someone who seems to be off their meds? Nov 30 05:28:38 i think you are just digging, digging, digging Nov 30 05:28:47 for a landmine doc Nov 30 05:28:55 * ShadowJK_ recommends he use of /ignore Nov 30 05:28:57 er, what? Nov 30 05:29:03 fair point Nov 30 05:29:09 * doc|home goes to do something productive Nov 30 05:29:57 doc|home is quite possibly one of the most evil persons on this network Nov 30 05:30:02 a so-called gatekeeper Nov 30 05:30:08 and spy Nov 30 05:30:29 full-on evil alert Nov 30 05:30:36 :) Nov 30 05:30:56 o.O Nov 30 05:31:00 it's just my spidey senses tingling, guys Nov 30 05:31:32 y'all have to keep a sharp eye on your servers Nov 30 05:31:41 a very, very sharp eye Nov 30 05:31:45 that's libel Nov 30 05:32:05 cause the doc is here to treat you Nov 30 05:32:07 right Nov 30 05:32:19 the doc|home Nov 30 05:33:19 doc|home and doc|work are nicks you should never, ever, ever chat with :) Nov 30 05:33:34 yes! I'm evil! Nov 30 05:33:38 sorry maemo Nov 30 05:33:45 what a whackjob Nov 30 05:33:52 huh Nov 30 05:34:17 we've had run-ins in the past, he's a couple of cans short of a six-pack Nov 30 05:34:53 haha Nov 30 05:49:39 cehteh: tested and it worked Nov 30 05:49:48 cool Nov 30 05:49:49 so it is in kernel Nov 30 05:49:51 thanks Nov 30 05:50:13 jaem: maemo extras maybe? Nov 30 05:50:39 doc|home, never trust the dark liquors. ;) Nov 30 05:50:51 or -devel Nov 30 05:50:56 GeneralAntilles: hehe Nov 30 06:10:42 lololo Nov 30 06:14:52 * RST38h moos Nov 30 06:22:52 * jaem is annoyed at Nokia Nov 30 06:23:04 specifically, at whoever wrote this: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libconbtui/src/conbtdialogs-dbus.h Nov 30 06:23:54 I've spent a good portion of today trying to figure out why show_search_dlg doesn't seem to return anything, only to find out that it looks like it /actually/ doesn't Nov 30 06:24:09 but since they didn't add DBus Introspection, I've having trouble making sure Nov 30 06:24:10 :/ Nov 30 06:24:23 also, I had to code up the Introspection XML file myself Nov 30 06:24:25 grr Nov 30 06:26:45 who would I complain to about that? I don't want to file a bug, since part of it probably isn't one, and the rest definitely isn't, but it's rather annoying Nov 30 06:27:10 s/complain/talk/ :P Nov 30 06:27:16 file a bug. its the best way to make sure devs see it Nov 30 06:27:24 lcuk, okay, fair enough Nov 30 06:27:24 i have just finished writing a python app .. would like to provide a UI for it.. would it be better to use python itself or qt? Nov 30 06:27:28 and you can discuss it rationally Nov 30 06:27:44 mind you that i need to later port it to maemo as well!! Nov 30 06:27:47 if they'd done things a bit better, it would have saved me a lot of frustration :P Nov 30 06:28:02 wrapster, Qt's nice, although I haven't used it with Python Nov 30 06:28:15 and it's about as cross-platform as you can get with that sort of thing Nov 30 06:28:22 lcuk, thanks Nov 30 06:28:47 jaem, bugs occur all the time in all software. only when someone else codes up new stuff (instead of using the existing) do things get discovered. as a dev you should know that Nov 30 06:29:14 lcuk, yes... but I'm still learning DBus, and I'm not entirely certain it isn't my fault Nov 30 06:29:18 so I was hesitant Nov 30 06:29:27 but at any rate, there are some ways they could improve it Nov 30 06:29:40 lol Nov 30 06:29:48 nahhh from my own code Nov 30 06:29:54 i know how easily i could write something like that Nov 30 06:30:04 and forget to return correct result Nov 30 06:30:14 especially since theres a result variable specifically afterwards Nov 30 06:30:23 heh Nov 30 06:30:31 but the lack of Introspection ability is annoying Nov 30 06:30:43 so dbus allows it does it? Nov 30 06:31:08 jaem: here is the thing.. i was here yday as well.. and got the pythong app running on n900 now if you could suggest what could be a good option for a UI it will be great.. im new to python (UI programming) and qt so does not make differnce. Nov 30 06:31:16 introspection? yes, but you have to implement the right interface Nov 30 06:31:24 and write up some XML Nov 30 06:31:35 26 lines, but I had to look it up for the first time, and do it by hand Nov 30 06:31:45 but if you could point me out to some links where such a thing has already been done for n900 i can take a look at it and learn faster.. pressed for time thats y. Nov 30 06:31:53 wrapster, I'd say go with Qt, but I've never tried GTK Nov 30 06:32:01 wrapster, I'll try - give me a sec Nov 30 06:32:06 jaem: ok Nov 30 06:32:07 what's the project? Nov 30 06:32:15 wrapster, learn to oogle Nov 30 06:32:22 no1 can show you a full ui subsystem Nov 30 06:32:23 pygtk Nov 30 06:32:28 qt python thingy Nov 30 06:32:32 pygame even Nov 30 06:32:43 any of hte common examples will work on device Nov 30 06:32:53 lcuk, I don't think wrapster wanted a complete run-down, just code for reference Nov 30 06:33:08 I presume the N900 is using PySide for Qt, right? Nov 30 06:33:09 jaem: correct.. Nov 30 06:35:00 i think so Nov 30 06:35:05 jaem: im dont have the phone so some one on the IRC should only help me. Nov 30 06:35:36 wrapster, are you getting one? Nov 30 06:35:46 jaem: should be in sometime though Nov 30 06:35:55 people here are usually happy to test, but you'll want your own :P Nov 30 06:36:16 jaem: i know that.. but could you please let me in on this one.... Nov 30 06:36:35 wrapster, well, as lcuk and I said, if you want to use Qt with Python, you'll want PySide Nov 30 06:36:51 hmm ok. Nov 30 06:36:52 I'm not sure how stable that is (and thus, which repo it would be in), but a quick search should tell you that Nov 30 06:36:59 Nov 30 06:37:17 Qt has pretty good documentation, and if you search for "PySide examples", or some such, that should get you going Nov 30 06:40:26 hi! Nov 30 06:42:39 Hehe: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/michael_dell_churchill_club_speech/ Nov 30 06:51:10 Nov 30 06:53:04 Boss just handed me 2 N900's :) Nov 30 06:53:25 fuck you Nov 30 06:53:27 bastar Nov 30 06:53:28 d Nov 30 06:53:30 -_- Nov 30 06:53:31 heh Nov 30 06:53:36 * Sargun had his n900 ship Nov 30 06:53:46 for the record doc|suk|dik = pupnik Nov 30 06:55:12 * Sargun is waiting for his N900 Nov 30 06:55:12 Nov 29 04:05:36 * pupnik (n=pupnik@p54B2F398.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #maemo Nov 30 06:55:16 it should get her tomorrow Nov 30 06:55:40 her? Nov 30 06:56:39 doc|suk|dik, don't make me call Freenode in on you. Nov 30 06:57:08 doc|suk|dik, impersonation will get you a k-line. Nov 30 06:57:20 So, let's try not to be a prick tonight, thanks. Nov 30 06:57:39 I should have pointed out he mispelt dick Nov 30 06:57:47 * doc|home shrugs Nov 30 07:01:25 does anyone know of a link that could help me resize my /home partition at the expense of /home/user/MyDocs? Nov 30 07:03:03 or a way to make /home/user/MyDocs executable... removing noexec from the fstab entry gets the fstab file rewritten on startup Nov 30 07:03:38 brilliant spam filter evasion: This pills will help you "resize your /home partition" Nov 30 07:03:47 heh Nov 30 07:04:17 Sargun, These are not mine as such though. It's phones for developing crap on for work. My own phone should be here friday or monday Nov 30 07:04:43 mece, yeah, same for me, only I can't afford my own :( Nov 30 07:04:56 that said, I should be able to keep the loaner for a while Nov 30 07:05:03 o Nov 30 07:05:20 ? Nov 30 07:09:01 i feel fear each time i touch bugzilla and it spews out mails to a bunch of people Nov 30 07:09:51 lol Nov 30 07:21:39 * Stskeeps wtf's at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35435 Nov 30 07:22:29 isn't tmo a huge wtf since a few months ago? (but yeah, wtf that thread also...) Nov 30 07:22:59 especially since we don't really have DRM or the likes on the platform.. Nov 30 07:22:59 :P Nov 30 07:24:24 also, we need to ban the word 'dealbreaker' Nov 30 07:25:03 :) that, and a few more words Nov 30 07:25:40 how about automatic word substitutions instead? Nov 30 07:26:13 s/dealbreaker/squealingbadger/g on all of tmo Nov 30 07:26:27 and s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g Nov 30 07:27:11 * ShadowJK_ wonders how many people will shoot him if he opens a "Lowest volume is not low enough" bug Nov 30 07:31:31 is qwerty still sleeping? :O Nov 30 07:31:56 or he's in school Nov 30 07:32:12 * Xisdibik also shoots ShadowJK_ for opening that bug ;) Nov 30 07:32:29 Stskeeps: if i had a n900, and was in school, id be on IRC :-P Nov 30 07:33:20 * lorelei^ won't shoot ShadowJK_ (my N800 FM receiver is too loud, even with everything at the minimum...don't know for N900) Nov 30 07:34:10 <3 mem-monitor-smaps Nov 30 07:35:59 Xisdibik, in my sons school they confescate tech till the end of *term* Nov 30 07:36:07 imagine 3 months without new n900 Nov 30 07:36:11 lcuk, yikes! Nov 30 07:36:23 we didn't have fancy schmancy N900s when I was in high school Nov 30 07:36:27 lcuk: go get it yourself? Nov 30 07:36:34 we relied on our trusty TI-83+'s for games Nov 30 07:36:36 lcuk: if they refuse to give it to you, that's called theft Nov 30 07:36:37 lcuk: would you give your son a n900? :P Nov 30 07:36:49 Xisdibik, its any tech Nov 30 07:36:52 I used a slide rule! Nov 30 07:36:54 I was the only guy in the school with a link cable, so I supplied all the games Nov 30 07:36:56 but yeah id love to get him one Nov 30 07:37:05 he keeps kickin mine and goin mental at what it does Nov 30 07:37:07 lcuk: why would you send him to that kinda school, sounds like prison :P Nov 30 07:37:10 nickin Nov 30 07:37:17 ...and then laughed while everyone got busted for playing games in math class Nov 30 07:37:24 better hope hes not kickin ur n900 :D Nov 30 07:37:38 jaem: and the ti83's very likely the only devices they couldn't take away as it was needed for class Nov 30 07:37:48 the usual punishment for which was to spend all of lunch break doing purposely tedious long division problems Nov 30 07:37:53 easy, but very tedious Nov 30 07:37:58 i used my ti83 for games as well back in the day :) Nov 30 07:38:04 Stskeeps, they would, actually, but only for part of the day Nov 30 07:38:13 back in my day calculators didnt come supplied with games Nov 30 07:38:17 we had to make our own up lol Nov 30 07:38:27 lcuk: thats an abbacus not a calculator ;) Nov 30 07:38:31 lol Nov 30 07:38:31 I remember at one point I got someone to pay me $5 to tell him what the boss-button for one of the shells was Nov 30 07:38:38 and then I laughed as he got busted anyway Nov 30 07:38:41 I had ti85 and a link cable :) (well, still do - don't know about the cable though) Nov 30 07:38:44 we used to see who could get the 1++ counter upto 1000 fastest Nov 30 07:38:53 ...of course, the info was easily available online Nov 30 07:38:55 yea i still have my ti83 Nov 30 07:39:14 online o_O Nov 30 07:39:17 Xisdibik, I do too, but I normally just use either my N810 or N900 to emulate it Nov 30 07:39:27 thats one piece of tech that hasnt changed much in recent years Nov 30 07:39:29 that was something psoken of in hushed circles at my school Nov 30 07:39:36 lcuk, meh... apparently $5 was worth less than the time to Google it Nov 30 07:39:38 haha Nov 30 07:39:50 jaem: well im in university now, and during exams the teacher wont let us use our mobiles, but a ti83 is ok ;) Nov 30 07:40:16 i had one teacher let me use my mobile for calculating once Nov 30 07:40:19 Xisdibik, my uni is pretty strict Nov 30 07:40:31 my uni is very relaxed Nov 30 07:40:32 I think the official banned items list for exams now includes programmable watches Nov 30 07:40:58 the strictest bit is some teachers require photo id, so they know its you and not someone else taking the exam Nov 30 07:41:03 but they are few and far between Nov 30 07:41:08 last semester, when they put the extended list in place, I checked and realized I had 13 objects on my person that violated their rules :P Nov 30 07:41:15 on an average day Nov 30 07:41:19 lol Nov 30 07:41:37 as long as your not actively cheating, most teachers dont care what u use on an exam Nov 30 07:41:53 but god so many students cheat in the big lecture classes Nov 30 07:41:53 hmm... here they care, just on principle Nov 30 07:41:55 "sorry, just need to bring my study coach in with me" Nov 30 07:41:56 heh found a bug! Nov 30 07:41:59 lol Nov 30 07:42:23 well, some cell phones have a "vibrate SMS in morse code" feature - I have to wonder if anyone has exploited that yet Nov 30 07:42:38 rofl Nov 30 07:42:50 obscure, yes - easy to get away with, also yes Nov 30 07:42:53 not that I would Nov 30 07:42:57 but it is vaguely amusing Nov 30 07:43:13 my econometrics teacher wont let me near a computer during an exam except the class ones, because he knows i know alot about them Nov 30 07:43:30 first day of class i tought him how to do everything he was teaching us faster ;) Nov 30 07:43:41 jaem Nov 30 07:43:59 buzzzzzzzzzzz buzzzzzzzzzz buzz Nov 30 07:44:00 could work Nov 30 07:44:03 really well Nov 30 07:44:38 it would work well until randomly between morse code exam answers Nov 30 07:44:47 your mom texts you asking to get milk on the way home, or something to that effect Nov 30 07:45:17 depending on where you hide the device and choice of ringtone you have, there could also be some other comical sideeffects Nov 30 07:45:26 lol Nov 30 07:45:52 hey could someone recreate this (very minor) bug on their N900? Nov 30 07:46:05 lcuk, oh... let me tell you about that >:) Nov 30 07:46:07 first year Nov 30 07:46:11 I got a new cell phone Nov 30 07:46:27 and the carrier gave me one free ring tone download (the most generous thing they've ever done :/) Nov 30 07:46:33 are you sure we wanna hear this jaem? :p Nov 30 07:46:39 most of them were stupid pop songs and celebrity quotes Nov 30 07:46:41 Xisdibik, yes Nov 30 07:46:45 haha k Nov 30 07:46:57 and the only one that looked interesting was "Air Raid Siren" Nov 30 07:47:03 lol Nov 30 07:47:04 ...you can probably see where this is going Nov 30 07:47:12 yep Nov 30 07:47:15 but continue Nov 30 07:47:17 I accidentally left it on during an exam, in the front of the room Nov 30 07:47:20 it rang... Nov 30 07:47:39 muffled, under a coat, and due to the acoustics of the lecture hall, it was hard to tell where it was coming from Nov 30 07:47:48 my prof freaked out and tried to evacuate the room Nov 30 07:47:51 -snerk- Nov 30 07:47:58 lol Nov 30 07:48:01 and I sheepishly say... "that's... my... phone..." Nov 30 07:48:08 right before everyone runs out Nov 30 07:48:19 yikes Nov 30 07:48:32 LOL Nov 30 07:48:35 I didn't get in trouble, though Nov 30 07:48:39 did you get an A in that class? :) Nov 30 07:48:44 I think the prof was too embarrassed to mention it Nov 30 07:49:04 great Nov 30 07:49:19 err Nov 30 07:49:23 Hey anyone here with an N900? Nov 30 07:49:28 yep Nov 30 07:49:28 lol thats great Nov 30 07:49:38 no one here has a n900 Nov 30 07:49:42 they are vaporware Nov 30 07:49:42 figured :P Nov 30 07:49:53 just ordeered mine Nov 30 07:49:59 mece, what do you need? Nov 30 07:50:02 either way. in xterm, ssh to a server, then exit from the server. Nov 30 07:50:10 yep Nov 30 07:50:14 what're you wondering? Nov 30 07:50:15 the title of the xterm remains that of the remote server Nov 30 07:50:26 yeah, that happens on KDE sometimes too Nov 30 07:50:30 not sure why Nov 30 07:50:35 DEALBREAKER!!! Nov 30 07:50:41 ;) Nov 30 07:50:43 anyway Nov 30 07:50:45 * jaem slaps mece with a trout Nov 30 07:50:45 your local prompt doesnt set title maybe Nov 30 07:50:53 I guess so. Nov 30 07:50:54 most linux distros do that in bash Nov 30 07:51:00 but n900 has ash Nov 30 07:51:02 it's not bash though. Nov 30 07:51:05 you can apt-get install bash Nov 30 07:51:07 I guess Nov 30 07:51:17 tigert, I really wish it didn't use BusyBox Nov 30 07:51:17 so I dunno if ash supports such prompt stuff Nov 30 07:51:23 but I guess it's reasonable Nov 30 07:51:30 jaem: space reasons yeah Nov 30 07:51:36 ok well I wont file a bug then.. Nov 30 07:51:44 yay! I'm not getting the "This will probably end badly..." error anymore :D Nov 30 07:51:49 thought it was a dealbreaker mece ;) Nov 30 07:51:51 that's probably a good thing Nov 30 07:51:51 lol Nov 30 07:52:01 haa Nov 30 07:52:09 Xisdibik, it got better. Nov 30 07:52:37 Xisdibik, e.g I'm no longer a newt Nov 30 07:53:00 what are you now? a toad? salamander? Nov 30 07:55:52 Xisdibik, What are nerds no longer into monty python? Shame on you! Nov 30 07:56:10 nerds are just too cool for their own good these days. Nov 30 07:56:52 mece: i havnt seen monty python things in years Nov 30 07:57:17 its also midnight so my brains on standby Nov 30 07:57:17 jaem: our physics teacher had a policy about the ti's Nov 30 07:57:22 mece, since nerds aren't cool by definition, a non-zero value of cool is also by definition not good for them ;) Nov 30 07:57:25 we had to reset their memory Nov 30 07:57:30 or trade ours in for tests Nov 30 07:57:32 timeless_mbp, ha! there were apps to fake that Nov 30 07:57:35 since i always had programs Nov 30 07:57:36 it's dead easy Nov 30 07:57:43 afaik no one cheated it Nov 30 07:57:46 that's good Nov 30 07:58:01 I don't endorse cheating, but I can appreciate genius as long as it's not /too/ evil Nov 30 07:58:15 hehe Nov 30 07:58:19 anyway, i always had stuff on mine that i didn't want to lose, so i always traded Nov 30 07:58:32 yea im against cheating, but finding loopholes isnt cheating ;) Nov 30 07:58:40 jaem: formally, there's an @author line in your .h file Nov 30 07:58:43 jaem, yes but nerds, or at least nerdy things are seen in a very different way than they were 20 years ago. Nov 30 07:58:46 i'd email it just for kicks Nov 30 07:58:59 timeless_mbp, I don't know if they still sell them, but did you ever see the "school calculator" models, with the bright orange backplates? Nov 30 07:59:14 timeless_mbp, where? Nov 30 07:59:29 the /fremantle/ url you posted over an hour ago Nov 30 07:59:54 you were complaining about dbus introspection? Nov 30 08:00:03 oh, that's what you meant Nov 30 08:00:09 yeah, that might be worthwhile Nov 30 08:00:13 thanks Nov 30 08:00:13 brb Nov 30 08:00:32 alright i cant stay awake any longer, see you all later Nov 30 08:00:41 g'night Xisdibik Nov 30 08:03:29 "who" doesn't seem to work properly on this thing... Nov 30 08:05:20 mece: or you don't know how to use it ;) Nov 30 08:07:17 luke-jr, how do I use it then? Nov 30 08:13:45 luke-jr, how many ways are there to use the "who" command? Nov 30 08:14:05 * jaem runs man who Nov 30 08:14:09 ....apparently a lot... nvm Nov 30 08:14:10 lol Nov 30 08:15:18 man is not installed apparently. Nov 30 08:15:23 mece, nope Nov 30 08:15:27 unfortunately Nov 30 08:15:36 but manpages are usually on the web Nov 30 08:16:39 nod Nov 30 08:18:07 I actually thought he meant the IRC WHO command... Nov 30 08:18:09 :p Nov 30 08:19:05 that one has a lot of options too Nov 30 08:20:16 Stskeeps: but no man page Nov 30 08:20:56 sure it does, /who -? on some ircds Nov 30 08:21:27 heh, not on this one Nov 30 08:21:40 that's not a man page Nov 30 08:22:48 A man page would be useless, the syntax and features varies somewhat between servers Nov 30 08:23:04 [02:22:31] *** SOTFts32721 is now known as hey. Nov 30 08:23:05 [02:22:33] <-- hey has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). Nov 30 08:23:10 my bot gets a LITTLE smarter? Nov 30 08:23:20 now if only he stuck around after renaming XD Nov 30 08:23:33 lol Nov 30 08:23:36 luke-jr, maybe he's shy Nov 30 08:23:44 XD Nov 30 08:23:53 you are now as intelligent as people communicating through no-nickname-changes mode.. Nov 30 08:24:14 you think my (workplace's) phone will explode if I add the sdk tools repository and install some crap from there? Nov 30 08:24:23 mece, yes Nov 30 08:24:26 yes I do Nov 30 08:24:31 literally explode Nov 30 08:24:32 jaem, explode, really? Nov 30 08:24:38 and probably blow a hole in the wall Nov 30 08:24:41 mece, known bug Nov 30 08:24:43 jaem, well now I really have to try it. Nov 30 08:24:46 lol Nov 30 08:24:49 ...er... "feature" Nov 30 08:24:50 yes Nov 30 08:24:56 in case you need to blow up a wall Nov 30 08:25:08 jaem, well, I could do with a bigger office Nov 30 08:25:11 no, but seriously, don't Nov 30 08:25:13 ROFL Nov 30 08:25:13 basic McGyver feature :p Nov 30 08:25:46 as far as I know, you should be able to run an sdk chroot Nov 30 08:25:46 so where do I get x11-utils then? Nov 30 08:25:47 heh Nov 30 08:25:48 there's a forum thread - Google it Nov 30 08:25:53 the next 'hey' parted and rejoined... Nov 30 08:25:57 mece i have built using my n900 since the day i got it Nov 30 08:26:00 I'm not sure if they've worked it all out yet, but it should be possible Nov 30 08:26:03 lcuk, how? Nov 30 08:26:10 one of the first things i attempted to do was setup build-essential :) Nov 30 08:26:20 on the device's rootfs? Nov 30 08:26:21 on a clean device its pretty simple Nov 30 08:26:22 or in a chroot? Nov 30 08:26:23 yeah Nov 30 08:26:27 lcuk, figured as much. I just want some shell tools for playing around. have a couple of users logged in on the phone. Nov 30 08:26:29 and it didn't eat your hamster? Nov 30 08:26:35 nahh Nov 30 08:26:38 I thought the sdk repo was prone to do that Nov 30 08:26:41 add sdk and tools Nov 30 08:26:46 make sure there was enough space Nov 30 08:26:51 apt-getinstall build-essential Nov 30 08:26:53 done Nov 30 08:26:56 I presume they don't install to /opt :P Nov 30 08:27:00 you want to grab the development SDK instead Nov 30 08:27:03 err Nov 30 08:27:03 i asked, they should Nov 30 08:27:05 chroot Nov 30 08:27:08 i want all the -dev ones too Nov 30 08:27:10 Stskeeps, link? Nov 30 08:27:18 but i havent the time or knowledge to run through them Nov 30 08:27:20 lcuk, I'm not gonna add the compilers and that. Just some shell tools Nov 30 08:27:22 I'd like to be able to work on this project on the bus/train tomorrow Nov 30 08:27:34 mece, shell tools may be more restricted i believe Nov 30 08:27:50 you have the mini shell thingy errr i forget its name Nov 30 08:27:55 the one that screws up all gnu tools Nov 30 08:27:59 lcuk, well can't be more restricted than the stuff in the regular repos Nov 30 08:28:02 lcuk, clue - it's busy Nov 30 08:28:04 and it's a box Nov 30 08:28:08 yeah lol Nov 30 08:28:11 thx Nov 30 08:28:14 np Nov 30 08:28:24 lcuk, well bash was in the regular repos Nov 30 08:28:26 * jaem growls at busybox Nov 30 08:28:47 mece, yes, but busybox is like GNU utilities with an eating disorder Nov 30 08:28:55 jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32772&highlight=sdk+chroot i think Nov 30 08:28:58 jaem, lol Nov 30 08:30:23 I don't want a dev environment though.. just x11-utils and bsdutils and such. Nov 30 08:30:44 might get your device into a reboot loop Nov 30 08:33:08 how do you install your own "Trusted Root Certificates" in the Launcher -> Settings -> Certificate Manager ? Nov 30 08:33:25 oo zenity seems like fun times. I want that! Nov 30 08:33:40 http://zenity.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 30 08:34:39 oh well. Nov 30 08:34:54 I think I'll brick my own device instead, once I get it. Nov 30 08:40:14 hehe mece thats always fun Nov 30 08:55:37 Well... Moo. Nov 30 08:56:14 Moo RST38h. Nov 30 08:56:43 is it possible to change the powersaving modes depending on if its plugged in, on battery, etc.... also to increase the screen fade out delay before it goes off ? Nov 30 08:57:34 I can't believe 2+ years later they still don't provide power profiles. Nov 30 09:00:36 also had problem with the camera app, I think it needs to extra threading adding and checking what parts of the kernel API can block and need to be reset-able Nov 30 09:02:07 heya derf Nov 30 09:02:37 odin: I remember seeing some setting about different behavior when being charged. Check Screen steeings Nov 30 09:02:40 settings Nov 30 09:02:53 how many cores does it have ? and how does threading affect battery life ? Nov 30 09:03:21 dude, you sound like a ricer Nov 30 09:03:52 * RST38h strokes his core Nov 30 09:04:00 what is a ricer ? Nov 30 09:04:22 wtf?! I've run out of disk space! Why is the root fs only 200-odd megs big? Nov 30 09:04:34 * RST38h sighs Nov 30 09:05:09 RST38h: Another day in #maemo. Nov 30 09:05:11 This channel could use a FAQ that would include just that one question :) Nov 30 09:05:16 You didn't expect anything new, did you? Nov 30 09:05:38 Oli``, don't ask me, but apps are supposed to be packaged to stash things in /opt, which is symlinked to a larger partition Nov 30 09:05:50 Oli``, are you by any chance installing things from repos other than extra? Nov 30 09:05:54 Oli``, how did you fill it ? Nov 30 09:05:56 a lot of those aren't packaged in that way yet Nov 30 09:05:59 derf: Well, I kinda hoped the Nov 30 09:06:05 "newtmo" will not come here Nov 30 09:06:25 Maybe once I actually get my device I can fill the channel with me cursing at the DSP for you. Nov 30 09:07:02 Oli: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399897 Nov 30 09:07:27 yay my login works on meamo.org now Nov 30 09:07:35 Oh I think it's because I used apt-get Nov 30 09:07:37 * RST38h should try konttori's scaling API and promptly curse it, to create some lively online content Nov 30 09:07:50 Oli: No, it is because you installed lots of crap. Nov 30 09:07:56 I could curse garage's svn, if that would help. Nov 30 09:08:13 Oli: BUT, try rebooting. There is a magic trick performed by rebooting =) Nov 30 09:08:26 RST38h, what? Nov 30 09:08:32 RST38h: I didn't but hey Nov 30 09:08:39 but my email address for bugs is diff from my garage email? is that ok for karma? Nov 30 09:08:52 bug 5450 Nov 30 09:08:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space Nov 30 09:09:08 oh, that Nov 30 09:09:09 heh Nov 30 09:09:11 fail Nov 30 09:09:32 aye, but atleast it's workaroundable Nov 30 09:09:41 oh look - apt-get clean gave me 50 megs back Nov 30 09:09:48 Ah, cool Nov 30 09:11:33 timeless_mbp, hiya Nov 30 09:11:37 hey Nov 30 09:11:42 i got my other n900 back Nov 30 09:11:52 I sent that guy an e-mail - thanks for pointing out the address Nov 30 09:11:55 \o/ Nov 30 09:12:07 other? wtf ever hear of sharing? Nov 30 09:12:14 turns out BlueZ doesn't have Introspection either... :/ Nov 30 09:12:19 so I'm having fun writing XML Nov 30 09:12:20 grr Nov 30 09:15:16 O_o Nov 30 09:15:21 my shoulder just made a squelching noise Nov 30 09:15:24 this is probably not good Nov 30 09:15:42 too much time typing :P Nov 30 09:15:43 exchange it Nov 30 09:15:52 DangerMaus, warranty's up Nov 30 09:16:01 haha Nov 30 09:17:03 nÃ¥jo Nov 30 09:17:36 anyone tried to repartition the thing so that the 256mb card is used as swap and the rootfs is on the emmc? Nov 30 09:17:57 mece, I don't know how easy or advisable that particular configuration would be Nov 30 09:20:09 wouldn't that be really really slow? Nov 30 09:20:25 it's not a card, it's a NAND Nov 30 09:21:37 and it's not even a block device Nov 30 09:22:10 Anyone noticed how in Maemo4 swappiness was set to 1, and now it's 100? :) Nov 30 09:22:24 * Stskeeps wonders idly if nokia busy shooting themselves in the foot again Nov 30 09:22:24 +is Nov 30 09:22:47 hm? Nov 30 09:22:56 huh Nov 30 09:22:59 PeterMaemo on twitter, Over 400 wallpapers for #n900 featured on http://n900wallpapers.com/b... Nov 30 09:23:06 ShadowJK, have you tried messing with the swappiness? Nov 30 09:23:08 http://n900wallpapers.com/browse/video_games Nov 30 09:23:09 :P Nov 30 09:23:18 jaem, not really Nov 30 09:23:25 Stskeeps, lol :) Nov 30 09:23:38 jaem, I tried 100 on my N810 (way before N900), and it was faster at first Nov 30 09:23:49 and then...? Nov 30 09:24:32 what thing should go up on brainstorm ? any old crap ? LOL... someone over the weekend said an idea to add the task manager (Ctrl+Backspace) function to the "Power Off Menu" would be good to put up as brainstorm ? Nov 30 09:24:41 re Nov 30 09:24:55 odin_, um... what?! Nov 30 09:24:57 lol Nov 30 09:25:24 jaem, which part is not clear ? Nov 30 09:25:38 odin_, it's clear, just silly Nov 30 09:25:38 jaem, well, flash memory hits, you die? Nov 30 09:25:42 I was laughing Nov 30 09:25:47 what is silly ? Nov 30 09:26:23 so does anybody have a nice blog for irc law? i don't want to spend too much money Nov 30 09:26:23 the task manager on the menu :S Nov 30 09:26:27 threats, harrassment etc Nov 30 09:26:28 which part the idea or the using brainstorm ? Nov 30 09:26:35 banhammer! quick! Nov 30 09:26:59 yes a menu item to make the device to back to task manager, the issue is I had an unresponsive app, so I go for the power off button to fix device Nov 30 09:27:10 oh... Nov 30 09:27:16 sorry, I didn't mean that to be rude Nov 30 09:27:28 oh it's almost as good as politics on undernet Nov 30 09:27:37 but if the app is unresponsive, why couldn't you still click the switcher button? Nov 30 09:27:40 that's not part of the app Nov 30 09:27:44 nope Nov 30 09:27:48 hmm Nov 30 09:27:49 the pointer and UI did not work Nov 30 09:28:06 then doing it from the menu probably wouldn't work, unless the touchscreen itself had locked up and you could still use the keyboard Nov 30 09:28:23 but if the app, or the desktop UI is frozen, you're probably out of luck Nov 30 09:28:26 Ctrl+Backspace did (but I needed to know about it) my instinct was to use power off button to force the only menu I knew I would get up Nov 30 09:28:34 ohhhh Nov 30 09:28:38 okay, I misunderstood you Nov 30 09:28:41 yeah, that would be good Nov 30 09:29:10 I thought you said that Ctrl+Backspace wasn't working either, in which case you're probably hooped Nov 30 09:29:17 from ripping peaces in me to praise all in 3 mins Nov 30 09:29:25 lol Nov 30 09:29:29 * jaem is sheepish Nov 30 09:29:30 baaaa Nov 30 09:29:41 but it is an idea that "Brainstorm" is to be used for ? Nov 30 09:29:43 ~ping Nov 30 09:29:44 ~pong Nov 30 09:29:45 for feedback ? Nov 30 09:30:06 jaem, are you my daaaa-dy Nov 30 09:30:22 odin_, not the best suited, but it's likely more relevant than a lot of what's on there, if it's like most Brainstorm sites I've seen :P Nov 30 09:30:26 DangerMaus, no Nov 30 09:30:40 unless you're from the future, in which case it would be maybe, but probably not Nov 30 09:31:42 so best to file a regular feature enchancement request ? Nov 30 09:31:49 odin_, probably, yeah Nov 30 09:32:13 it's a bit more of a picky detail than what Brainstorm's meant for, I think Nov 30 09:32:18 although it is a good idea Nov 30 09:32:58 anyone else been hit by the "wi-fi setup compliant" WPA bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6173 Nov 30 09:33:03 Bug 6173: N900 does not connect to WPA PSK (TRENDNet TEW-432BRP) Nov 30 09:33:20 that's the one. Nov 30 09:33:32 julianoliver: does itwork when adding network manually? Nov 30 09:34:00 Stskeeps: i have yet to check if wpa_supplicant is on board. Nov 30 09:34:04 one moment Nov 30 09:34:52 looks like i'll need to install it. Nov 30 09:35:15 julianoliver: network manually = in the control panel Nov 30 09:35:15 :P Nov 30 09:35:22 ahah.. ;) Nov 30 09:37:33 ohaodhn Nov 30 09:41:37 Stskeeps: it seems to associate and then immediately disassociate/deauthenticate. it's an absurdly long key.. will double check. Nov 30 09:43:28 does "*#06#" not work, for IMEI check ? Nov 30 09:43:38 control panel -> about rodct.. Nov 30 09:43:40 product Nov 30 09:43:52 ok but what about operater services and such ? Nov 30 09:44:46 some work Nov 30 09:47:21 odin_, someone was whining that operator services didn't work. Nov 30 09:47:33 odin_, so I guess they don't Nov 30 09:48:01 odin_, all the operator services work with sms here afaik. Never used one of those #*asdf* whatnot thingies. Nov 30 09:48:02 my *500 works Nov 30 09:48:03 :P Nov 30 09:48:17 Stskeeps, what does that do? Nov 30 09:49:35 pay on the go servicess Nov 30 09:50:24 Stskeeps: no, it seems it authenticates fine and then deauthenticates. is N900/Maemo 5 known to work with WPA Version 1? Nov 30 09:50:51 julianoliver: duno Nov 30 09:50:55 oks Nov 30 09:52:13 doc|home sucks dick Nov 30 09:53:51 * julianoliver notes that it worked on a 3rd attempt. Nov 30 10:01:34 EDINBURGH, GB 30/11/2009 7:46 OUT FOR DELIVERY Nov 30 10:01:37 :) Nov 30 10:01:56 yay Nov 30 10:02:06 "NO ANSWER AT DOOR"? Nov 30 10:02:16 haha Nov 30 10:02:22 lol Nov 30 10:02:32 tick tock Nov 30 10:02:35 "ahhh well, better take it home and see what goodies i have" Nov 30 10:02:55 hope theres no preloaded photos of grufty delivery drivers in compromising situations Nov 30 10:03:12 My favorite was when I went to check the status of my package, and it said, "DELIVERED". Nov 30 10:03:24 And I'd been home all day, and it sure as gekk wasn't delivered to me. Nov 30 10:04:03 I'm checking the front stoop, looking around to see if any of the neighbors got it by mistake... Nov 30 10:04:27 * SpeedEvil wonders if stoop is a derivation of step. Nov 30 10:04:38 And then like 20 minutes later the UPS guy pulls up. "Yeah, I was just around the corner scanning packages." Nov 30 10:04:49 haha Nov 30 10:04:51 Ah drivers. Nov 30 10:05:16 Then again, many are quite badly paid indeed and on ridiculous contracts. Nov 30 10:05:57 least it didnt fall under the wheels Nov 30 10:06:31 * RST38h lost his passport, airplane tickets, and visa this way once Nov 30 10:06:48 FedEx never even apologized Nov 30 10:07:01 wow Nov 30 10:07:14 Opened in inquiry, said "we cannot find it", end of story Nov 30 10:07:47 never had an issue with them but one pkg returned ascrtched in a plastic bag geuss it was on the pland that burned on the ground Nov 30 10:08:03 *scortched Nov 30 10:08:41 but i was the shipper and sent another rite off Nov 30 10:26:40 morning Nov 30 10:29:01 hello hrw Nov 30 10:51:22 SpeedEvil, mine was shipped from NL by DPD Nov 30 10:52:44 I'm all for UPS and FedEx doing a merger. And then call themselves FedUp. If you aren't reachable during business hours, those two are the worst to get "service" from. Nov 30 10:53:58 lol i call ups for a late local pickup and just go into fedex at closing time and they pull it off the truck for me Nov 30 10:55:11 when i leave my n900 alone for a while and then try to use it i get a bunch of memory overload errors Nov 30 10:56:07 what sort of apps do you have? Nov 30 10:56:12 solution: dont leave it alone Nov 30 10:56:16 lol Nov 30 10:56:19 ok, is it wrong of me to only have used the xterm on the N900 so far? Nov 30 10:56:28 Well actually I did use the app manager to install rootsh and openssh Nov 30 10:56:47 right i made a call to see if it worked. it did. Nov 30 10:56:55 hahahah Nov 30 10:57:00 wichser Nov 30 10:57:17 gibs auf und geh nach hause Nov 30 10:57:27 bald kriegste deeinen kugel im kopf Nov 30 10:57:40 leider Nov 30 10:57:45 regierungen Nov 30 10:57:50 DocOozePuslhh, wrong channel. go somewhere else maybe Nov 30 10:57:50 die tun son shit Nov 30 10:57:52 still no DDP news? Nov 30 10:57:58 mece; you lack a computer Nov 30 10:58:00 watch Nov 30 10:58:05 shitheads Nov 30 10:58:10 watch Nov 30 10:58:22 range: fortunately - in from 9-5 Nov 30 10:58:27 asidjazz, I have a windows machine here at work :/ Nov 30 10:59:13 lol @ DocScrutinizer Nov 30 10:59:14 that was odd Nov 30 11:00:43 mece, install Putty on the win machine? ssh to the n900 Nov 30 11:00:45 can one access the notification api from shell? Nov 30 11:00:53 DangerMaus, that's what I did. Nov 30 11:00:57 Stskeeps, whos got @ on here? Nov 30 11:00:59 :) Nov 30 11:01:40 DangerMaus, I actually have two friends "over". We created a quick local chat program on the N900 so we're chatting on the N900. Nov 30 11:02:02 have at yeah! Nov 30 11:02:29 DangerMaus, meaning they are logged in on the phone. not actually here. One of them is logged in on the phone from his N900. Nov 30 11:02:44 awsome Nov 30 11:02:52 andre__, whos op round here nowadays? Nov 30 11:03:03 thats awake Nov 30 11:03:03 DangerMaus, well it's very silly, but yeah. awesome. Nov 30 11:03:06 i cant wait to get mine Nov 30 11:03:18 mece: im sure theres a ay Nov 30 11:03:22 waY* Nov 30 11:03:31 you dhvae to write a triger of some sort Nov 30 11:03:40 lcuk, shrug Nov 30 11:04:01 mece, whats life wwithout silly fun? Nov 30 11:04:03 asidjazz, but can't you directly send a message through it? that would rock. Nov 30 11:04:15 DangerMaus, indeed. especially if it's while at work :D Nov 30 11:04:29 aofcourse Nov 30 11:04:34 *-a Nov 30 11:05:32 you mean use it Nov 30 11:05:36 yea fully Nov 30 11:05:42 prolly easily documented in the sdk Nov 30 11:06:07 ohwell off to hibernate for a bit.. Nov 30 11:06:12 asidjazz, looking aws Nov 30 11:07:00 mece: leme know when ya find it Nov 30 11:08:05 asidjazz, will do. Nov 30 11:14:07 Christmas present for those of you who like disassembling their phones: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ndmjylkj4wk/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0_q12.rar Nov 30 11:16:13 qwerty12: gracias Nov 30 11:17:05 <_berto_> wow Nov 30 11:17:10 ohai Nov 30 11:17:11 <_berto_> qwerty12: is that supposed to be public? : Nov 30 11:17:28 shush up and download it Nov 30 11:17:33 _berto_: Nope =) Nov 30 11:18:04 Still looking for the L3&L4 manual; those of you who have it know where to find me Nov 30 11:18:51 aw,nobody from yesterday? :( Nov 30 11:19:04 yay Nov 30 11:19:12 timeless_mbp: o/ Nov 30 11:19:59 * kirma finds it interesting that N900 seems to start the gallery application spontanteously Nov 30 11:20:06 done that at least three times already Nov 30 11:20:58 ? Nov 30 11:21:43 kirma, disable the control panel -> mind reader v3.4 (then it shouldn't keep opening the pr0n) Nov 30 11:23:05 _berto_: first page says "confidential" Nov 30 11:23:23 timeless: relatively soon after turning the device on it just spontaneously has the photo gallery open with latest photo, and it typically occurs after a while of no usage at all... Nov 30 11:23:30 _berto_: anyway nothing other then disassemle/assemble info inside Nov 30 11:23:42 * hrw wants to know where serial/jtag are Nov 30 11:23:47 clear your mind, clear you rmind Nov 30 11:24:02 I've heard of "interesting" ghost usage on developer devices, like starting of music playback middle of the night for no apparent reason :) Nov 30 11:24:02 it was in L3&L4 for N810 Nov 30 11:26:23 hmm, no luck unraring that. Nov 30 11:28:02 kirma: alongside the FM receiver in the N900, Nokia devs saw to it that an EVP and ESP receivers were also in place. oddly enough i can't find the kernel interface to either. Nov 30 11:28:12 Oh, unraring is no problem, the password the pdf wants to have might be one if you aren't persistent. Nov 30 11:28:36 range: it was to me. Nov 30 11:29:01 range: unrar -e filename resulted just in unrar help... Nov 30 11:29:13 Lynoure: unrar e fileName Nov 30 11:29:13 unrar x Nov 30 11:29:20 maybe I'm not reading the man page right :/ Nov 30 11:29:22 oh, not -e but e Nov 30 11:29:24 weird. Nov 30 11:29:37 Lynoure: yes, it's stupid. Nov 30 11:29:39 Yeah, it's rar. So it is weird per se. Nov 30 11:30:08 the whole history of 'urar' is charted with being consciously difficult. Nov 30 11:30:15 s/urar/unrar Nov 30 11:35:47 what's a reccommended SIP service in Europe these days? Nov 30 11:37:12 Seems despite doing an install of maemo5 sdk as instructed, and installing then esbox, I'm still missing hildonmm.h and gtkmm.h Any idea what I need to install and where to get the includes working? (cannot test right now, different laptop) Nov 30 11:37:47 Lynoure: apt-cache search gtkmm dev; apt-cache search hildonmm dev Nov 30 11:38:27 julianoliver: that is, everything that comes out as the result? Nov 30 11:39:22 julianoliver: some things were explicitely mentioned and I installed them into the scratchbox, but maybe not all... Will check on it after work. Nov 30 11:40:57 Morning, all Nov 30 11:41:35 Lynoure: i'm on my work machine (Debian Lenny). you're probably after: libgtkmm-dev Nov 30 11:41:51 not sure with hildonmm - the general rule is "ends with -dev" Nov 30 11:42:36 a non-versioned-packagename always represents the latest version. Nov 30 11:43:14 julianoliver: they get installed into the scratchbox or to the host itself? (I guess I'm a tad confused) Nov 30 11:44:01 lcuk: GeneralAntilles and such Nov 30 11:46:04 when it doubt, "both" I guess and then I'll let debfoster to sort it out later :) Nov 30 11:46:05 Lynoure: if you're building against them in scratchbox, then scratchbox is where you want them. Nov 30 11:46:50 julianoliver: yup. Thanks. I cannot wait to test whether I'll now get my helloworld Nov 30 11:47:04 * Lynoure feels like a 5 year old geek on Christmas Eve. Nov 30 11:47:17 yeah it's great stuff, once you get it up and working. Nov 30 11:47:44 Unfortunately still daytime job... for another 4.5 days. Nov 30 11:47:59 Damn thing keeps messing with my flow =) Nov 30 11:48:11 asidjazz, I guess one should just make a simple program that implements libosso and sends argument as string to libosso-osso_system_note_infoprint() Nov 30 11:48:26 Lynoure: which instructions are you following that need gtkmm/hildonmm ? Nov 30 11:48:38 Lynoure: tell me about it. i have a heap of X86 development to do. since i was given this phone i've been a tad distracted.. Nov 30 11:50:42 suihkulokki: that video thingy... http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Get_started_with_Maemo_5/ Nov 30 11:51:25 suihkulokki: other recommendations of course also welcome, eventually it will most like be qt that I want to use. Nov 30 11:51:34 mece: What type of notification? There's two (at least): http://twitpic.com/k8e51 and http://twitpic.com/k8eeu Nov 30 11:53:33 ./qwerty12, well those are the same thing afaik Nov 30 11:53:42 lol Nov 30 11:53:47 ./ was not intentional :D Nov 30 11:54:04 Can't get esbox to start :( Nov 30 11:54:20 PolarFox: 9.10 ubuntu? Nov 30 11:54:25 Yep :) Nov 30 11:54:34 PolarFox: starting it with the esbox.sh instead of just esbox? Nov 30 11:54:37 Tried esbox.sh but no luck.. Nov 30 11:54:53 PolarFox: oh, then no instant fix from me, sorry. Nov 30 11:55:14 Maybe I should try that "release" version instead of integration :) Nov 30 11:55:19 mece: Hehe, I'd be scared if you had a file called "qwerty12" in $PWD. :P No, one is just a HildonBanner and the other one is achieved with hildon-notify; the e-mail and SMS app use the HildonNotify one Nov 30 11:55:48 tigert: Thanks for the plug =) Nov 30 11:56:14 PolarFox: that's the one I played with yesterday. Dunno if it makes a difference or if the cause is something else Nov 30 12:00:32 * VDVsx yawns Nov 30 12:01:24 VDVsx, i feel the same :( Nov 30 12:01:46 mece: yup Nov 30 12:10:37 qwerty12, does the hildon-notify implement libosso System notification or vice versa. or neither? Nov 30 12:11:19 osso_system_note_dialog is the one that requires a click, and the osso_system_note_infoprint is the banner one. Nov 30 12:11:23 afaik Nov 30 12:17:22 aaw crap. sdk installer crashed. Nov 30 12:21:56 Anyone else having problems with extras-devel? Nov 30 12:22:09 * RST38h moos at VDVsx Nov 30 12:22:11 bnilsen: regularly Nov 30 12:22:23 * VDVsx moos back :) Nov 30 12:23:49 timeless_mbp: I get failed to fetch bla bla bla Nov 30 12:24:00 timeless_mbp: ...but magically enough.. it just happened to work now! weird Nov 30 12:24:19 the repositories are regularly corrupting/fixing themselves Nov 30 12:24:21 patience is a virtue Nov 30 12:24:43 -- that and persistence Nov 30 12:24:49 morning chaps Nov 30 12:28:59 Hi, I have hosted a project at garage.maemo.org. Now I want to create a project homepage. How do I do that? Nov 30 12:30:49 lardman: so, i made a clock db Nov 30 12:30:56 but it doesn't seem like that db is used directly Nov 30 12:31:03 at least when someone else tested it, it didn't fix things Nov 30 12:32:34 mece: Never let it be said that I'm not anal-retentive: http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091130-123004.png & http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091130-123014.png Nov 30 12:32:57 timeless_mbp: strange Nov 30 12:33:08 qwerty12: never Nov 30 12:33:24 akshay, easiest way? create a wiki page @ wiki.maemo.org Nov 30 12:33:30 then link to it Nov 30 12:33:40 lardman: *grin* Nov 30 12:33:46 akshay: create a www directory in svn Nov 30 12:33:50 iirc Nov 30 12:34:07 qwerty12, thanks! Nov 30 12:34:13 lardman: I am using GIT Nov 30 12:34:28 then you might want to use gitorious anyway =) Nov 30 12:34:30 akshay: ah, well the same may apply, but I don't know in that case, sorry Nov 30 12:34:34 qwerty12, also, I never denied your anal-retentiveness Nov 30 12:34:34 many maemo projects are already tehre Nov 30 12:34:49 mece: Hehe Nov 30 12:35:21 so is it possible using GIT also? I have no experience with versioning systems Nov 30 12:36:24 qwerty12, I like the hildon_note_new_information() one. Are they all the kind that goes away automagically after a while? (except the one in the separate picture) Nov 30 12:37:07 mece: hildon_note_new_information requires you to tap outside it to dismiss it Nov 30 12:38:11 asidjazz: huh?? Nov 30 12:39:03 ~lart overly intrusive virus scanners Nov 30 12:39:04 * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P overly intrusive virus scanners' action Nov 30 12:40:09 "A program is behaving suspiciously on your computer" blah, well tell me what the hell it's doing! Nov 30 12:40:11 rubbish Nov 30 12:40:49 hee. Nov 30 12:41:46 haha Nov 30 12:41:55 mikhas: I have registered on gitorious. How will it help me to create a homepage on garage.maemo ? Nov 30 12:42:28 Hm Nov 30 12:42:58 Is it possible to make a 'nokia connector>female usb' Nov 30 12:43:05 reduction which would act as usb master? Nov 30 12:43:51 which device? Nov 30 12:44:22 probably easiest to get a full size gender changer and force host mode if you're talking about the N810 Nov 30 12:44:25 that's what I do Nov 30 12:44:48 I'm kinda back again :) Nov 30 12:45:22 * qwerty12 says "hi" to a half-wazd Nov 30 12:45:38 qwerty12: o/ Nov 30 12:45:43 lardman: Look at what happens when you talk? Nov 30 12:46:02 * RST38h takes "get a full size gender changer and force host mode" out of the context Nov 30 12:46:05 did wazd half vanish? Nov 30 12:46:08 ehlo wazd Nov 30 12:46:18 RST38h: ;) Nov 30 12:46:28 does anyone know, if the music player sends a signal (eg. via dbus) which track it is currently playing? Nov 30 12:46:47 qwerty12 have you consider changing your name to azerty12? Nov 30 12:46:59 lardman: Hey, seen Tomaszd's gst stuff? =) Nov 30 12:47:03 Venomrush: But I'm not French! Nov 30 12:47:21 qwerty12: dvorak95 :D Nov 30 12:47:23 or even qwertz12 Nov 30 12:47:34 lol Nov 30 12:47:34 RST38h: heya Nov 30 12:47:35 n900 Nov 30 12:47:42 my connection crashed,sry Nov 30 12:48:04 So,is it possible? Nov 30 12:48:12 fresh vista, mmm Nov 30 12:48:14 anyone got hold of service manual level 1 to 4 for the n900 yet? Nov 30 12:48:29 Yea Nov 30 12:48:37 share pls? Nov 30 12:48:38 Venomrush: I posted a link, a sec Nov 30 12:48:40 RST38h: not sure Nov 30 12:48:50 Venomrush: [11:14] Christmas present for those of you who like disassembling their phones: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ndmjylkj4wk/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0_q12.rar Nov 30 12:49:01 On page #45, that service manual level 1 says "If the caller is Venomrush, put him on hold indefinitely." Nov 30 12:49:05 cheers qwerty12 Nov 30 12:49:09 loll Nov 30 12:49:10 not to l4 though? Nov 30 12:49:19 that's only level 1+2 Nov 30 12:49:30 what is that for,actually? Nov 30 12:49:34 fixing your phone Nov 30 12:49:36 The "1" confused me Nov 30 12:49:37 lol Nov 30 12:49:44 >.< Nov 30 12:49:46 but shutting down a donkey-dick sucking american Nov 30 12:49:47 is a nice thing Nov 30 12:49:52 I have the flu; leave me alone! Nov 30 12:50:06 * Stskeeps ponders locating a freenode staffer Nov 30 12:50:07 where do i go to get someone banned Nov 30 12:50:07 please, SHARE! Nov 30 12:50:17 i agree Stskeeps Nov 30 12:50:19 qwerty12 Nov 30 12:50:25 have you got level 3 + 4 Nov 30 12:50:30 i just applied a durasec protector... didn't succeed the first time, second time ended up with shitload od bubbles.. Nov 30 12:50:31 No, sorry Nov 30 12:50:46 that's alright, thanks Nov 30 12:51:35 DocOozePuslhh: pupnik, I like you, but if you're gonna troll, at least have the sense to do it behind a proxy Nov 30 12:51:57 qwerty12: got the circuit diagrams anywhere? Nov 30 12:52:14 No, schematics are nowhere to be found on the Internet Nov 30 12:52:23 ah well Nov 30 12:52:26 where did u find 1+2? Nov 30 12:52:28 all in good time I'm sure Nov 30 12:52:30 Meanwhile: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091130PD205.html Nov 30 12:52:31 did u pay for it? lol Nov 30 12:52:43 i found 3+4 but u need to pay to get it Nov 30 12:52:48 Venomrush: In a misnamed torrent =) Nov 30 12:52:51 Then pay Nov 30 12:52:54 RST38h: no surprises Nov 30 12:52:59 Ummm.... Nov 30 12:52:59 Hey *waves* Nov 30 12:53:00 qwerty12 was expecting pron Nov 30 12:53:01 WTF. Nov 30 12:53:02 Sts: Absolutely Nov 30 12:53:06 What is it actually? Nov 30 12:53:14 Manual level 1,2...? Nov 30 12:53:16 The nokia transaction for my phone has dissapeared from my bank account. Nov 30 12:53:20 lolll Nov 30 12:53:26 SpeedEvil: but you got the n900 still? Nov 30 12:53:31 However - UPS still says it's out for delivery Nov 30 12:53:32 RST38h: what gst stuff am I looking for? Nov 30 12:53:42 And the shop still says 'shipped' Nov 30 12:53:42 SpeedEvil: hahaha. Nov 30 12:54:02 SpeedEvil: if you get it and you don't get charged, you owe beers Nov 30 12:54:03 :P Nov 30 12:54:04 qwerty12: murder is murder Nov 30 12:54:12 DocOozePuslhh: what are you german? wtf are you doing in here Nov 30 12:54:13 come here and watch it Nov 30 12:54:25 i will kill some little animals in front of your face Nov 30 12:54:36 Stskeeps: Indeed - I regret that that is probably unlikely. Nov 30 12:55:10 hello? Nov 30 12:55:19 i think the n900 will last me at least 2 years before i need to change phone Nov 30 12:55:39 although, next June, new iphone coming out might have slideout keyboard Nov 30 12:55:40 lol Nov 30 12:55:53 ... Nov 30 12:56:04 Changing n900 for hw kb iphone? Nov 30 12:56:09 lol wat Venomrush Nov 30 12:56:13 haha. Nov 30 12:56:17 and finally theyll put 5meg camera in it... Nov 30 12:56:18 no way apple will put a kb on that thing Nov 30 12:56:22 I'm still trying to figure out how to setup this SDK & Eclipse :) Nov 30 12:56:29 it has to look like edible candy Nov 30 12:56:30 kb Nov 30 12:56:31 lardman: Tomaszd compiled MKV, MPEG2 TS, and FLV support for N900, as gst plugins Nov 30 12:56:33 kb's are not edible Nov 30 12:56:39 lardman: Can be found in Extras-Testing Nov 30 12:56:47 Its like changing from hummer to a lowrider Nov 30 12:57:05 asidjazz: naah - new iphone will have full-size fold-out ASR-33 keyboard. Nov 30 12:57:18 RST38h: ah right, yes I remember now, good stuff Nov 30 12:57:35 I'm still waiting for that "Minority Report" interface for phones.. Nov 30 12:57:40 LOL Nov 30 12:57:47 but it would be cool,actually Nov 30 12:58:01 too much movement of hands Nov 30 12:58:02 i want pure idiocy on n900 screen when user < 16 years old detected Nov 30 12:58:06 random comix Nov 30 12:58:09 qwerty12: :) Nov 30 12:58:47 what happen if we post service manual on TMO? Nov 30 12:58:50 will we get raped? Nov 30 12:58:51 PolarFox, the minority report thing looked arduous. I want brainwave controlled stuff. Nov 30 12:59:02 SpeedEvil: how do you know?? Nov 30 12:59:02 Venomrush, sounds like a bad idea... Nov 30 12:59:07 Venomrush: I will probably have to remove it Nov 30 12:59:10 we are at the interface between the nuclear bomb of global tyranny, or not, qwerty12 Nov 30 12:59:13 Venomrush: Talk is generally no-warez Nov 30 12:59:13 where Nov 30 12:59:14 oh lol asr-33 Nov 30 12:59:16 Venomrush: As it is probaby illegal Nov 30 12:59:16 some Nov 30 12:59:17 over the rainbow Nov 30 12:59:20 Venomrush: buttorrent! Nov 30 12:59:28 * SpeedEvil accepts all DCCs. Nov 30 12:59:31 way up high Nov 30 12:59:36 there's a land Nov 30 12:59:40 that i heard of Nov 30 12:59:46 DocOozePuslhh: are u high? Nov 30 12:59:47 DocOozePuslhh: do us all a favour and take your medication. Nov 30 12:59:47 once in a lullaby Nov 30 12:59:52 SpeedEvil: I gave the link twice in this channel (L1&L2) Nov 30 12:59:59 mece: You would have to have some serious filtering... I wouldn't let my brain control anything without some filtering.. Nov 30 13:00:03 no i am ready to piss off some ppl Nov 30 13:00:17 this is my day, Stskeeps Nov 30 13:00:24 lets start with pulse Nov 30 13:00:30 and shitcan that pos Nov 30 13:00:47 i'm tired of bad shit Nov 30 13:00:48 speedevil: lol Nov 30 13:00:59 just tired Nov 30 13:01:11 could anyone please tell me what are the levels of manuals? Nov 30 13:01:22 level 1 + 2 are really basic Nov 30 13:01:29 with specs Nov 30 13:01:35 3 + 4 = dismantle the phone Nov 30 13:01:44 * SpeedEvil wants level 9! Nov 30 13:01:47 :) Nov 30 13:01:47 All I get in eclipse is "no build targets selected." .. Nov 30 13:02:00 level up! Nov 30 13:02:03 SpeedEvil: also went on my mind Nov 30 13:02:18 well that manual was dissasemble the phone..... Nov 30 13:02:23 DocOozePuslhh: if ur lookin to piss ppl off irc aint the place Nov 30 13:02:25 SpeedEvil: if 3-4 is dismantling,oh boy,what is 9? Nov 30 13:02:31 are the l3 and 4 not diagrams of the chip connections? Nov 30 13:02:50 I would like a complete dump of all chip firmware, and circuit diagrams. Nov 30 13:02:52 how many levels can i achieve in this maemo rpg? Nov 30 13:02:58 * RST38h is at the edge of starting to /ignore Nov 30 13:03:04 LuciusMare: download N97 Service Manual Level 1 & 2 - 3 & 4, Data Sheet & Schematics here http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n97/28632-n97-service-manual-level-1-2-3-4-data-sheet-schematics.html then you can tell the differences between level 1+2 and 3+4 + schematics Nov 30 13:03:07 But that seems unlikely. Nov 30 13:03:08 the /home/dtc.. DTC == Device Tree Compiler? Nov 30 13:03:18 so there are only 4 levels? Nov 30 13:03:19 pupnik you fucking lost it. you are not welcome in any of my chans again. Nov 30 13:03:19 SpeedEvil: circult diagrams will come eventually, no firmware dump without your doing it yourself I imagine Nov 30 13:03:29 4 is the highest i believe Nov 30 13:03:36 i think after that is schematics Nov 30 13:03:40 Venomrush: Could you please be ...mmm... less talkative, more legal, and more on the topic? Nov 30 13:03:56 I got the esbox-eclipse running... but I can't get that SDK working.. has anyone done this with 64bit ubuntu linux system? :) Nov 30 13:03:59 PolarFox: mail to the esbox mailinglist Nov 30 13:04:01 Can this be done :D Nov 30 13:04:02 sorry, i'll be more legal Nov 30 13:04:19 on Discussion forum on Nokia site Nov 30 13:04:26 censored so much Nov 30 13:04:33 theyll delete your post even without telling ya Nov 30 13:04:36 Stskeeps, is it just case of idling in freenode until someone gives voice or is there a different way to get him seen to Nov 30 13:04:39 hm,so in these is the information about system - including the things about how the system works internally? Nov 30 13:04:47 And what?that is illegal? Nov 30 13:04:48 lcuk: you can message an op Nov 30 13:04:59 that or randomly move your post elsewhere Nov 30 13:05:03 und ich hab dich gar nicht gefickt Nov 30 13:05:03 Ok. I got the point. Nov 30 13:05:04 lcuk: also IIRC you can talk in channels - and ops only can see your messages. Nov 30 13:05:04 where nobody can find it Nov 30 13:05:09 <<< not irc dude Nov 30 13:05:24 lcuk: poking some people to get him ut .. Nov 30 13:05:35 ta Nov 30 13:05:35 out, that is Nov 30 13:05:37 hmm Nov 30 13:05:41 Ufffff Nov 30 13:05:43 anyone using the fuse + sshfs in n900? Nov 30 13:05:49 should I run this as root or not? Nov 30 13:06:11 ouch, my n900 refuses to unlock Nov 30 13:06:12 seems like /dev/fuse is only writable by root, and when I chown it, it gets reset on reboot I thin Nov 30 13:06:32 And what?that is illegal? Nov 30 13:06:48 just got an incoming text, trying to unlock it to read, after unlock, it got to Desktop and locks itself up again Nov 30 13:06:49 wtf Nov 30 13:07:07 tigert: it should work as user, then whoever has packaged it n900 should be notified to fix it Nov 30 13:07:09 * ShadowJK wonders if the camera issue is about priority.. Nov 30 13:07:37 * achipa sets a personal record, 8h40m for an autobuilder run Nov 30 13:07:45 PolarFox: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=192 Nov 30 13:07:47 failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied Nov 30 13:07:52 achipa: ouch Nov 30 13:08:03 suihkulokki: wondering should /dev/fuse be writable by me or am I just doing something wrong? Nov 30 13:08:04 achipa: Weak! Upload WebKit and you'll know the true meaning of pain :p Nov 30 13:08:06 on n810 mplayer/mencoder would have the kernel buffer large amounts of video.. resulting in it being capable of recording 20 secs or so of perfectly smooth video Nov 30 13:08:09 I am not very familiar with sshfs / fuse Nov 30 13:08:10 (Until you get beaten by Qt...) Nov 30 13:08:18 (and it took ages) Nov 30 13:08:35 tigert: on desktop it is usually writable for group fuse and users are then added to fuse group Nov 30 13:08:43 yeah Nov 30 13:09:07 qwerty12: is Qt that bad....? Nov 30 13:09:15 tigert: for n900 that is not neccessary since there is only one user. it should just be setup to user:users on boot Nov 30 13:09:20 little illegal girl sucking doc| Nov 30 13:09:21 qwerty12: that was with some stuff (webkit incl) disabled - tonight, it will be the full thing, 12h+ expcted :) Nov 30 13:09:28 little illegal girl sucking doc| Nov 30 13:09:31 little illegal girl sucking doc| Nov 30 13:09:33 achipa: :O Nov 30 13:09:43 For this to work the mountpoint must be owned by the user. Nov 30 13:09:45 hmm Nov 30 13:10:28 tigert: where did you find the sshfs package? Nov 30 13:11:00 LEAVING SPREE Nov 30 13:11:24 :( Nov 30 13:11:29 You ruined my punchline Nov 30 13:12:15 suihkulokki: apt-get Nov 30 13:12:21 I guess in extras-devel? Nov 30 13:12:54 or where, dunno Nov 30 13:12:59 the "dealbreaker" threads get more and more absurd Nov 30 13:13:03 how can I tell with apt where something is? Nov 30 13:13:18 "Lack of pirated software - dealbreaker?" Nov 30 13:13:46 lack of pirated sw is only because lack of commercial sw Nov 30 13:13:54 ..to pirate Nov 30 13:14:03 glass_: Exactly =) Nov 30 13:14:03 wtf Nov 30 13:14:21 just package up xchat and say it's pirated ;) Nov 30 13:14:35 nah, some people are so inclined to pirate sw that they will also pirate opensource/free software :) Nov 30 13:15:00 lorelei^: i wrote a freeware asteroids clone for s60 v1... found it on warez-irc bots later Nov 30 13:15:40 ~curse either VB or MATLAB for not wanting to talk to one another Nov 30 13:15:42 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, either VB or MATLAB for not wanting to talk to one another ! **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 30 13:17:41 2009 Nov 30 13:17:56 tigert: yes, that's true Nov 30 13:18:22 but there it's not really pirating opens ource sw...more like taking advantage of the license... Nov 30 13:18:28 yeah Nov 30 13:18:33 true, like I said Nov 30 13:18:39 it might actually be that when people pay something for software they're more inclined to actually learn it and feel good about using it, and defend it against others Nov 30 13:18:58 lorelei^: technically you can pirate open source software by only providing binaries or remove copyright headers :P Nov 30 13:19:06 like, say they paid 40 bucks for gimp, that means they've spent money on it, which motivates them to not let that money go to waste Nov 30 13:19:28 like, "if it's free, it's probably rubbish" Nov 30 13:19:31 Also - if there is a decent non-free tutorial, support, or other stuff. Nov 30 13:19:33 which no doubt some people believe Nov 30 13:20:46 Which is stupid Nov 30 13:20:56 To defend a piece of software just because you cant take it back Nov 30 13:21:05 wow, I have 13.7 Gb of something on desktop :) Nov 30 13:21:08 brb,going to get something to eat Nov 30 13:21:13 i mean,get some tea Nov 30 13:21:14 Shapeshifter: yes, this is a fair theory. people will tend to invest time in software relative to the cost of the software itself. Nov 30 13:21:17 wazd_: pron? Nov 30 13:21:23 wazd_: Wow, where did you find a torrent with so much porn? Nov 30 13:21:36 qwerty12: his personal fap archive Nov 30 13:21:41 Shapeshifter: it's a fundament of the logic of consumption in a capital economy. Nov 30 13:21:52 siterip pron torrents can be much bigger Nov 30 13:22:06 pron on the desktop, are you mad? :D Nov 30 13:22:25 LuciusMare: I don't want to know... Nov 30 13:22:25 possibly Nov 30 13:23:09 qwerty12: because you already do? ;) Nov 30 13:23:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYDSa4BRaw Nov 30 13:23:32 oh my, that's awesome :) Nov 30 13:23:34 Shapeshifter: anyway, the GIMP is not a good case: there is so much troubling this application before the value of free even comes into play. Nov 30 13:23:37 lardman: I leant from the master *nudge* *nudge* lardman Nov 30 13:23:58 heh Nov 30 13:24:17 garage seems a tad "stressed"... Nov 30 13:24:53 all the maemo.org servers still seem to be Nov 30 13:26:02 * lardman kicks himself for forgetting to accept the connection Nov 30 13:28:39 finally, it works, praise be to the FSM! Nov 30 13:28:56 Yoou called, laardman? Nov 30 13:29:31 spaghetti in human form, qwerty12 Nov 30 13:29:58 * LuciusMare turns of that flood ping he had set Nov 30 13:30:11 just...tried something... Nov 30 13:32:04 kidding of course Nov 30 13:32:09 hasnt been something released? Nov 30 13:32:21 or something that would give a lot of users reason to visit maemo.org? Nov 30 13:32:51 well, the n900 hapened Nov 30 13:32:53 how do update a dep of something in extras, does the normal promotion rules apply? Nov 30 13:33:09 * zaheerm needs to push something urgent Nov 30 13:33:13 * timeless_mbp frowns Nov 30 13:33:21 so, i don't get this clock thing Nov 30 13:33:31 afaict cityinfo really does use this clock db Nov 30 13:41:24 hrm Nov 30 13:41:31 ok, so the database is definitely kinda used Nov 30 13:41:40 i can move the timezone for seychelles from +11 to +$ Nov 30 13:41:42 +4 Nov 30 13:41:43 woot Nov 30 13:41:50 running Dropbox via hack in N900 :) Nov 30 13:42:04 dropbox runs in my server now, and then I access it with sshfs Nov 30 13:42:06 tigert: you're using fiFI right? Nov 30 13:42:06 neato Nov 30 13:42:19 say again? Nov 30 13:42:43 language/region Nov 30 13:42:46 Finnish locale Nov 30 13:43:01 enFI Nov 30 13:43:01 english lang, finnish region Nov 30 13:43:10 less context switching :) Nov 30 13:43:11 you local atm? Nov 30 13:45:03 * timeless_mbp sighs Nov 30 13:45:08 this code is .... Nov 30 13:45:39 having fun with libcityinfo? Nov 30 13:46:07 Stskeeps: have you read it? Nov 30 13:46:52 * timeless_mbp is vaguely trying to understand why it has two distinct coordinate spaces Nov 30 13:47:02 Woo! Free n900. Nov 30 13:47:13 SpeedEvil: for traveling to bcn? Nov 30 13:47:18 (I suspect they will still actually want money) Nov 30 13:47:38 timeless_mbp: no - they've somehow cancelled the earlier transaction with my bank Nov 30 13:47:45 SpeedEvil: They want blood Nov 30 13:47:51 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libcityinfo/cityinfo_8h.html#fca873e9e8b91ac84cc3b010316e3497 Nov 30 13:48:05 Stskeeps: hypothetically, that function is garbage Nov 30 13:48:36 i mean, it will kill you if you happen to run out of file handles Nov 30 13:49:00 which is sad, given that historically during fremantle development, there was a rather extended period of time when we were short on file handles.. Nov 30 13:49:08 timeless_mbp: libcityinfo would be better off being a sqlite database.. Nov 30 13:49:20 * timeless_mbp shrugs Nov 30 13:49:24 i don't mind the flat file Nov 30 13:49:38 timeless_mbp: and the fact it's closed source and that the api looks embarassing.. Nov 30 13:49:40 it'd be better if the city names were not stored as localizblae strings Nov 30 13:49:50 Stskeeps: the impl is worse than the api :) Nov 30 13:49:50 and bugs.. :P Nov 30 13:49:59 timeless_mbp: i can only imagine Nov 30 13:50:07 can't you choose not to imagine? Nov 30 13:50:10 * timeless_mbp baits Stskeeps Nov 30 13:50:18 you know you want to see my horror ;-) Nov 30 13:51:19 speaking of Horror, 'Paranormal Activity' was really awful and silly. Nov 30 13:51:22 i have a headache already and i don't feel like crying over bad code :P Nov 30 13:51:44 bad code is fun Nov 30 13:52:09 * timeless_mbp sighs Nov 30 13:52:12 Stskeeps: as a starting point Nov 30 13:52:22 the fact that the api doesn't let you convert from lat-lng to x-y is um... Nov 30 13:52:23 ... Nov 30 13:52:24 ... Nov 30 13:52:34 dotty? Nov 30 13:52:40 * w00t ducks Nov 30 13:52:43 that's one way to describe it :) Nov 30 13:52:47 timeless_mbp: i am more worried the API deals with methods related to a certaing png representation of the earth Nov 30 13:52:59 oh really? Nov 30 13:53:05 what could possibly have given you that impression? :) Nov 30 13:53:12 .. Nov 30 13:53:20 nah, don't worry. it's a certainty :) Nov 30 13:53:31 'Get x position of the city on the map. Nov 30 13:53:41 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libcityinfo/cityinfo_8c.html Nov 30 13:53:44 * timeless_mbp decides to try to move winnipeg north Nov 30 13:53:56 this is closed source because it'd be too embarassing, right? Nov 30 13:54:05 ShadowJK: i sure hope that's the justification Nov 30 13:54:18 i happen to like how we have a city named harford Nov 30 13:54:26 because the extra mandatory t was too expensive... Nov 30 13:54:56 ok, so... i'm open to suggestions Nov 30 13:55:09 anyone want to guess how i should change the coords of winnipeg to move it north? :) Nov 30 13:55:10 timeless_mbp: i'm thinking of motivating someone to write a open implementation of libcityinfo Nov 30 13:55:40 one that doesn't suck? Nov 30 13:55:49 with the missing api functions too? Nov 30 13:55:51 Just find some python guy and he'll make it extract city locations from wikipedia ;-) Nov 30 13:56:05 the issue is however if API documentation is non-open or not Nov 30 13:56:06 :P Nov 30 13:56:07 Stskeeps: 30EUR via paypal to the person who does it Nov 30 13:56:22 (seriously, ask around, i'm good for it) Nov 30 13:56:32 timeless_mbp: i don't doubt it Nov 30 13:57:06 position on the map*. *) positions on the map are in relative coordinates (0.0 - most left/top to 1.0 most right/bottom) and are synchronized with Clock's world map image. Nov 30 13:57:31 ok, so what, i should open the map image in an image editor to get its dimensions Nov 30 13:57:39 that's bad, would be far better to have the map itself do the conversion Nov 30 13:57:43 and then multiply the coords by the dimensions to get rough pixels? Nov 30 13:57:47 though at least the lat lon are also contained in there Nov 30 13:57:50 lardman: oh really? Nov 30 13:57:58 you mean have a reasonably sane design? Nov 30 13:58:02 why would that be good? Nov 30 13:58:09 * lbt_ imagines the map image is 1:1 at 96dpi Nov 30 13:59:39 well as it is there's random useless data in there, useless for anyone else who wants to use the db Nov 30 13:59:41 'db' Nov 30 13:59:59 lardman: sorry, please note that i'm dripping with sarcasm Nov 30 14:00:08 :) Nov 30 14:00:15 to say this was designed poorly is such an understatement Nov 30 14:00:19 sorry, not feeling too hot, missed the sacrasm bit Nov 30 14:01:00 the spelling is also embarrassing Nov 30 14:01:20 Stskeeps: please save me some effort, where's the map? Nov 30 14:02:33 timeless_mbp: i think in osso-icons or the theme Nov 30 14:03:56 * timeless_mbp finds the map filename Nov 30 14:03:58 it's a jpg not a png Nov 30 14:04:02 Hiya, fiferboy, long time no see! How's fiferbaby 2.0? Nov 30 14:07:01 hi everybody Nov 30 14:08:30 64bit systems don't go well with maemo development. /me is ready to kill someone :) Nov 30 14:08:43 PolarFox: VMs Nov 30 14:08:55 Vagalume: Last.fm client for Gnome and Maemo Nov 30 14:09:02 apparently going to be out soon Nov 30 14:09:04 you can run a 32-bit VM on a 64-bit system Nov 30 14:09:32 Ok.. I'll install ubuntu on virtualbox and try that one :) Nov 30 14:10:27 Also possible to get it to work with a 32bit chroot. Nov 30 14:10:33 depending on the dev work you need, there are VMs of the SDK around, too Nov 30 14:10:51 I keep a 32bit chroot around for all the problem-applications around there. Nov 30 14:11:06 but VM is probably easier. Nov 30 14:11:41 ...chroot is lighter on the machine of you have an old machine (and/or one without virtualization features in the processor) Nov 30 14:11:43 and I can move VM images around with me. Nov 30 14:12:07 PolarFox: grab official maemosdk vm image Nov 30 14:12:18 hrw: Isn't it HUGE? :) Nov 30 14:12:27 Hell, you can stick the VM image onto the n[89][01]0 and mount it from there ;-) Nov 30 14:12:47 city lat lon ? if you just need that, http://geolite.maxmind.com/download/worldcities/ Nov 30 14:17:32 hrw: the problem isn't storing ... but retriving it ... i've tryed 25 times ... each times checksum failed Nov 30 14:17:56 and i ve tryed 5 times at works with a pretty good and stable network connection Nov 30 14:18:14 if only it will be available by torrent Nov 30 14:18:30 PolarFox: -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 9,8G 11-24 13:55 maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk Nov 30 14:18:45 * Khertan is discovering libre.fm Nov 30 14:18:45 Khertan: I fetched it from home on first try Nov 30 14:18:51 grrrr Nov 30 14:19:12 but it s depends on akaima "!#~#{ cache server Nov 30 14:19:49 Deputized. Nov 30 14:19:59 ./` I shot the sheriff.. ./` Nov 30 14:28:30 ./`... but I did not compile the dependencies... ./` Nov 30 14:29:19 rotfl! Nov 30 14:29:38 qwerty12_N900, ping Nov 30 14:29:51 VDVsx: Hiya Nov 30 14:30:02 I'm in favor of moderators editing messages of people who recommend Red Pill. Nov 30 14:30:26 That, or anybody who does and causes somebody else to throw their device into a boot loop has to buy them a new one. Nov 30 14:30:39 qwerty12_N900, is transmission ready for extras ? got promote by mistake in a test :) Nov 30 14:30:57 Venomrush, please don't recommend Red Pill in the future. :) Nov 30 14:31:08 VDVsx: You promoted it?! Nov 30 14:31:13 recommend the blue pill instead? Nov 30 14:31:37 VDVsx, it will be removed once a 30 second video of how to download a pirated nintendo rom from bittorrent happens Nov 30 14:31:48 qwerty12_N900, not me, I don't have permissions for that Nov 30 14:31:49 GeneralAntilles: too late ... already many blogs talk about it Nov 30 14:32:26 qwerty12_N900, should it be removed ? it's your call :P Nov 30 14:32:27 zaheerm: lol Nov 30 14:32:29 Khertan, idiocy. Nov 30 14:32:36 VDVsx: Ah, I'm deferring promoting... It has its problems, still Nov 30 14:32:39 GeneralAntilles: yep what i said in comment Nov 30 14:32:41 VDVsx: Yes, please Nov 30 14:32:50 qwerty12_N900, thanks Nov 30 14:33:03 did you want a proxy for faking ratio torrent ? :) Nov 30 14:33:24 evilKhertan: I like how you think =) Nov 30 14:34:07 Khertan, can we get a list of the blogs so we can inform them of why that's such a terrible idea? Nov 30 14:36:00 victory Nov 30 14:36:03 GeneralAntilles: http://www.maemofrance.fr/, Nov 30 14:36:09 Winnipeg has moved to roughly... winniepg Nov 30 14:36:12 s/epg/peg/ Nov 30 14:36:13 timeless_mbp meant: Winnipeg has moved to roughly... winnipeg Nov 30 14:36:37 http://www.themaemo.com/ Nov 30 14:37:09 *facepalm* Nov 30 14:38:08 "2g" is edge, right? Nov 30 14:38:13 The plan is to get it removed in Maemo 6, right? If so, I wonder how all these bloggers will feel like... OMG I CANT BLOG ABOUT UBER MAEMO 6 HACK Nov 30 14:38:24 zaheerm, zoutube will be removed as too, once a 30 seconds video showing zoutube playing another 30 seconds video of a nintendo game in a n900 happens :D Nov 30 14:38:43 qwerty12_N900: i doubt even HAM will exist in m6 Nov 30 14:38:59 Stskeeps: Oh, wow, miracles do happpen Nov 30 14:39:00 VDVsx, awesome idea :) Nov 30 14:39:01 -p Nov 30 14:39:27 qwerty12_N900: probably replaced by Ovi Megastore or something.. Nov 30 14:39:27 :P Nov 30 14:39:40 megastore, lol Nov 30 14:39:42 ok, moving Guam, USA to somewhere near alaska protects alaska from the evil canadian invaders :) Nov 30 14:39:47 Stskeeps: Heh, wouldn't put it past them... Nov 30 14:42:35 Stskeeps, only way users can get to Extras is through an Ovi proxy that requires users to mail in a signed warranty waiver? ;) Nov 30 14:42:55 GeneralAntilles: i'm starting to be more and more for a non-ovi app store Nov 30 14:43:06 should be trivial to implement Nov 30 14:43:34 has anyone got the "Operation temporarilly disabled due to low memory" error before? Nov 30 14:43:34 Ovi is a mess Nov 30 14:43:39 i wasn't doing anything Nov 30 14:43:43 device was locked Nov 30 14:43:43 I can't believe it got billed over h-a-m in the menu. Nov 30 14:43:45 Shapeshifter: I think it says 2.5g on n900 in edge Nov 30 14:43:47 "I declare allegiance to the Ovi Store..." Nov 30 14:43:50 had a webpage and an email opened Nov 30 14:43:51 http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/30/0359216/Augmented-Reality-and-Privacy Nov 30 14:43:54 Venomrush, probably shouldn't be playing with Red Pill. Nov 30 14:44:03 i wasn't playing with Red Pill Nov 30 14:44:03 * bilboed-pi wouldn't mind finding again the people interested in writing a video editor Nov 30 14:44:10 i don't even have devel repo Nov 30 14:44:16 Venomrush: any new widget installed? Nov 30 14:44:22 or installed anything Nov 30 14:44:22 nope Nov 30 14:44:30 i think there's a memory leak somewhere Nov 30 14:44:39 What does htop say? Nov 30 14:44:39 bilboed-pi, dmj726 wanted to Nov 30 14:44:40 with the main applications or the OS itself Nov 30 14:44:54 zaheerm, right, but he's not online Nov 30 14:44:56 the new systeminforwidget will eat memory till there is no more :) Nov 30 14:45:09 archebyte: Ah, it's that? Thanks! Nov 30 14:45:17 I have the following: Nov 30 14:45:17 Recorder Nov 30 14:45:17 Hermes Nov 30 14:45:17 Quik Nov 30 14:45:17 Bounce Nov 30 14:45:17 Sheet to go Nov 30 14:45:19 Slideshow To Go Nov 30 14:45:21 Word To Go Nov 30 14:45:23 Mauku Nov 30 14:45:25 iNES Nov 30 14:45:27 Stskeeps, you can have something like this, hihih: http://androidandme.com/2009/11/applications/mikandi-launches-first-adult-application-store-for-android/ Nov 30 14:45:27 VGB Nov 30 14:45:29 VGBA Nov 30 14:45:31 eCoach Nov 30 14:45:33 Gonvert Nov 30 14:45:35 ATI85 Nov 30 14:45:36 ~pastebin Nov 30 14:45:37 Mirror Nov 30 14:45:38 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Nov 30 14:45:38 bilboed-pi, the other people were (me for bringing it up in the UX meets code) Nov 30 14:45:39 FM Radio Nov 30 14:45:41 MasterGear Nov 30 14:45:43 Xournal Nov 30 14:45:43 VDVsx: You can make the first vibrator app Nov 30 14:45:45 Location Test Nov 30 14:45:46 Jeez... Nov 30 14:45:47 Crash Reporter Nov 30 14:45:50 On Desktop, there are the following that needs Web connection: Nov 30 14:45:51 Facebook widget Nov 30 14:45:52 stop Nov 30 14:45:53 RSS widget Nov 30 14:45:58 STOP ! Nov 30 14:46:01 * bilboed-pi smells kick Nov 30 14:46:05 oh boy Nov 30 14:46:06 ...it's hammertime! Nov 30 14:46:08 Crap there's another same error Nov 30 14:46:20 Veggen, Nov 30 14:46:24 Venomrush, don't paste things longer than 3 lines into the chat window, thanks. Nov 30 14:46:29 GeneralAntilles: who else is deputized in here btw? Nov 30 14:46:31 Venomrush: flash it ill be faster Nov 30 14:46:34 Venomrush, use a pastebin so you don't flood the channel. Nov 30 14:46:42 GeneralAntilles: pupnik went a bit overboard in racist slurs earlier so :P Nov 30 14:46:47 Stskeeps, X-Fade and Jaffa have access, nobody else is opped. Nov 30 14:46:56 Venomrush: it is hard to do anything when that error comes up.. best to re-plug the battery.. Nov 30 14:46:57 k Nov 30 14:47:09 archebyte: systeminfo widget? Nov 30 14:47:09 Stskeeps, I kicked him around 2 AM my time and had a chat with him about it. Nov 30 14:47:10 zaheerm, you were saying ? Nov 30 14:47:20 Venomrush yes Nov 30 14:47:23 GeneralAntilles: ah, i was offline there Nov 30 14:47:36 hi ^>^ Nov 30 14:47:37 Stskeeps: He had 20l of drink... No excuse, though, I know Nov 30 14:47:59 bilboed-pi, the other people were me for bringing it up in the UX meets code discussion, and a few people on that thread that liked the idea Nov 30 14:48:03 archebyte: do you mean the load-applet? Nov 30 14:48:10 :D Nov 30 14:48:19 bilboed-pi, personally i'd be a big user to fix my really badly created videos into youtube uploadable material ;) Nov 30 14:48:25 zaheerm, :) Nov 30 14:48:50 GeneralAntilles, I've access too Nov 30 14:48:52 zaheerm: err - you're missing the point. Nov 30 14:48:56 Venomrush: no.. systeminfowidget debuted into extras-testing yesterday.. Nov 30 14:49:04 zaheerm: it's gotta be badly created or it's not according to youtubes TOS. Nov 30 14:49:05 SpeedEvil, which point? Nov 30 14:49:06 . . . and VDVsx. Nov 30 14:49:10 SpeedEvil, :P Nov 30 14:49:11 SpeedEvil, :) Nov 30 14:49:16 lol: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=400696&postcount=83 Nov 30 14:49:30 archebyte: ah, i don't have that, just the load-applet Nov 30 14:49:31 s/youtube/other more professional video hosting site/ Nov 30 14:49:59 so systeminfowidget has memory leak? why shud be kick down to devel Nov 30 14:50:07 *it shud be kick down to devel Nov 30 14:50:15 Oh, rcadden. Nov 30 14:50:18 Venomrush: It's only found in -devel Nov 30 14:50:33 someone just said it's in extras-testing Nov 30 14:50:40 Is it? Nov 30 14:50:42 Hmm Nov 30 14:50:43 yeah Nov 30 14:50:46 Venomrush: yes.. Nov 30 14:50:47 apparently since yesterday Nov 30 14:50:55 I can confirm a memory leak Nov 30 14:51:17 in systeminfowidget ? Nov 30 14:51:31 Yeah Nov 30 14:52:28 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6442 Nov 30 14:52:30 Bug 6442: Memory leaks cause device to run out of memory Nov 30 14:52:44 Isn't that a given? =) Nov 30 14:54:48 :D Nov 30 14:55:01 The expected behavior is a magical device with infinite memory. Nov 30 14:55:09 btw, i don't even have systeminfowidget Nov 30 14:55:15 infinite tape?:) Nov 30 14:55:15 still got those nasty memory errors Nov 30 14:55:51 Venomrush: I don't think there's a way out.. can you ssh into it? Nov 30 14:56:08 Is there a way to turn off autocomplete? Nov 30 14:56:28 i dont even know how to ssh :) Nov 30 14:56:31 I was entering my wifi password, and the normal behaviour - show char entered for a moment, then blank it - was sane. Nov 30 14:56:43 archebyte: For systeminfowidget ones: ctrl+shift+x and killall hildon-home allowed me to start up apps again Nov 30 14:56:44 to find any meaning info Nov 30 14:56:55 SpeedEvil: Text input settings in the control panel Nov 30 14:57:07 Then it came up with some autosuggestions - and those came up, and were instantly *'d out - including the letter I was entering Nov 30 14:57:31 qwerty12_N900: in my case, the shortcut wouldn't register.. had to replug the battery Nov 30 14:57:46 Ouch :\ Nov 30 14:57:48 although i noticed this error for the first time after i installed Crash Reporter & Location-Test-GUI Nov 30 14:57:57 i installed those 2 last night Nov 30 14:58:03 got the memory error today Nov 30 14:58:04 before that Nov 30 14:58:08 3 days straight Nov 30 14:58:09 nothing Nov 30 15:13:14 qwerty12_N900: Hey, back at work after my "vacation" Nov 30 15:13:30 qwerty12_N900: fiferbaby-2.0 is very good, but keeping us busy Nov 30 15:13:56 Hehe, congrats Nov 30 15:15:32 Is there anything special I need to do to get GPS working? I go to maps, and the sat dish appears with a red line through it even for some minutes outside under a clear sky Nov 30 15:15:50 Is it required to use a phone internet connection? Nov 30 15:15:55 nope Nov 30 15:16:08 I've used it just fine with wifi Nov 30 15:16:13 Hmm. Maybe it's upset I haven't set the time. Nov 30 15:16:24 let me check something Nov 30 15:17:15 hmm... well, it looks like A-GPS might require a cell connection Nov 30 15:17:21 not sure, but try turning that off Nov 30 15:17:32 it gets a lock quickly enough anyway, if you're standing still Nov 30 15:18:01 turning what off? Nov 30 15:18:03 much better than the N810, and subsequent times-to-lock nearby in space-time are much quicker Nov 30 15:18:28 Settings -> GPS -> Use A-GPS and Reverse-Geocoding Nov 30 15:18:37 uncheck it, and try again Nov 30 15:18:40 just a thought Nov 30 15:21:58 jaem: without cell data it's very slow Nov 30 15:22:04 try it with no SIM card for example Nov 30 15:22:29 lardman, I have, although maybe my opinion is skewed by how terrible the N810's time-to-lock was :P Nov 30 15:22:42 well it wouldn't lock for me at all without a sim Nov 30 15:22:49 and yeah n810 was also terrible Nov 30 15:22:53 that said, once I got an initial fix a few days ago, it locked quite quickly later that day Nov 30 15:22:56 repeatedly Nov 30 15:22:58 huh Nov 30 15:23:00 no sim? Nov 30 15:23:03 nope Nov 30 15:23:06 just wifi Nov 30 15:23:09 jaem: To be fair, without a sim, the N900's GPS can be compared to the N810's one in that regard :p Nov 30 15:23:26 I did notice that it takes forever to get a lock if you're moving Nov 30 15:23:28 though how it obtains its initial location I don't know Nov 30 15:23:34 but standing still, it was reasonably quick Nov 30 15:23:42 perhaps it uses more advanced agps and lets the supld server work out where it is? Nov 30 15:23:46 for some value of "reasonably" Nov 30 15:23:48 jaem: Most GPS devices work like that, AFAIK. Nov 30 15:23:56 derf, yeah, I figured Nov 30 15:24:12 lardman: You were able to update the qemu scratchbox uses, right? Nov 30 15:24:36 derf: yep, works fine now Nov 30 15:24:50 lardman: Any pointers to how you did it? Nov 30 15:24:51 though not for Qt building for Diablo still Nov 30 15:24:55 derf: hmm Nov 30 15:25:10 derf: install all the diablo stuff bar the scratchbox-libs|core Nov 30 15:25:10 Ok - that's somewhat concerning. Nov 30 15:25:18 ~3 min, and no lock. Nov 30 15:25:34 Too cold for longer. Nov 30 15:25:38 derf: then in fremantle sb, do sb-menu and setup a new target using the old toolchain, and old devkits Nov 30 15:26:42 Can I just use my existing old target? Nov 30 15:26:43 lardman: A new target is a bit excessive; why not edit your normal target's config and switch when needed? Nov 30 15:26:54 derf: copy it across? Nov 30 15:26:57 no idea Nov 30 15:27:02 I just set up a new one Nov 30 15:27:04 gah, don't know whether or not to buy the n900, it's rather expensive and it may be obsolete in a year... Nov 30 15:27:05 lardman, qwerty12_N900, why the new qemu? Nov 30 15:27:06 I mean, I've got like 5 targets sitting around. Nov 30 15:27:12 yeah same here Nov 30 15:27:20 But anyway, go on. Nov 30 15:27:34 jaem: old one doens't do all the instructions Qt seems to use Nov 30 15:28:05 jaem: I haven't needed to use one for Fremantle, but in Diablo, I used one to sort out some Python issues (mainly vanity related ones) Nov 30 15:28:08 derf: home is then shared by all your targets, so I just copied the files from my diablo home to a sub dir in my main (fremantle) sb home and away I go Nov 30 15:28:52 jaem: not new anyway, just want to use fremantle qemu for diablo building Nov 30 15:28:55 Okay, I missed the part where the new qemu got installed. Nov 30 15:29:14 well I installed the Fremantle SDK, then I'm adding Diablo stuff to that Nov 30 15:29:15 sorry Nov 30 15:29:30 hello i downloaded this image: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/vpc-sdk/ - any way how to tell if the step 3 went good? At first it told me an error,and now i let it run and it disappeared so i am not sure Nov 30 15:29:48 Diablo's qemu was newer? Nov 30 15:30:04 That doesn't make any sense. Nov 30 15:30:43 no, I'm installing Diablo devkits and compiler in Fremantle sb (which includes the newer qemu) Nov 30 15:30:52 Ah! Nov 30 15:30:54 :) Nov 30 15:31:00 No, I want something newer than Fremantle's. Nov 30 15:31:04 oh I see Nov 30 15:31:13 I don't know then, sorry Nov 30 15:31:19 bbiab Nov 30 15:31:19 Well, thanks anyway. Nov 30 15:31:22 np Nov 30 15:32:16 i guess it didn't go well,i have a terminalfull of errors :( Nov 30 15:32:30 LuciusMare, is there a reason you couldn't use the VMWare images? Nov 30 15:32:34 I've had good luck with them Nov 30 15:32:39 segfaults,core dumps,uncaught exceptions Nov 30 15:32:41 jaem: i AM using them Nov 30 15:32:43 yikes Nov 30 15:33:02 LuciusMare, I meant these: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 30 15:33:25 oh Nov 30 15:33:37 that's what I'd advise using Nov 30 15:33:51 diablo is 5? Nov 30 15:33:55 nope Nov 30 15:34:00 diablo is 4 Nov 30 15:34:06 fremantle is maemo 5 Nov 30 15:34:16 there is no fremantle :( Nov 30 15:34:20 these images should include the SDK for both Nov 30 15:34:27 here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Nov 30 15:34:38 oh Nov 30 15:34:39 nvm Nov 30 15:34:41 read the agreement and click through Nov 30 15:34:43 i didnt see it Nov 30 15:34:46 then decide which image you want Nov 30 15:34:53 Server gets you a command line install Nov 30 15:35:00 Desktop gets you a desktop install Nov 30 15:35:10 read the readmes before downloading Nov 30 15:35:48 also note that it uses cookies for the click-through, so you won't be able to wget the links over ssh, or anything like that Nov 30 15:36:26 jaem: what about wget and --cookies ? Nov 30 15:36:27 :) Nov 30 15:36:36 god, javaME is... >_< Nov 30 15:36:37 oh yeah... that's what I was trying to look up :P Nov 30 15:36:39 heh Nov 30 15:36:46 yeah, but I meant without that Nov 30 15:36:46 hah Nov 30 15:36:52 man wget|grep cookie Nov 30 15:37:04 aw Nov 30 15:37:10 yet another 2gbs to dl Nov 30 15:37:12 frals: Be thankful that it cannot corrupt you on Maemo =) Nov 30 15:37:30 aye :) Nov 30 15:40:13 morning all Nov 30 15:41:50 morning orbarron Nov 30 15:44:05 * zaheerm twiddles his thumbs while a package in autobuilder takes > 1hr to build Nov 30 15:45:32 arrr Nov 30 15:45:56 wtf Nov 30 15:46:05 did there really appear me saying "arr" ? Nov 30 15:46:25 no Nov 30 15:46:29 yep Nov 30 15:46:30 you said arrr Nov 30 15:46:34 Three r's. Nov 30 15:46:42 wtf Nov 30 15:46:43 i dont remember typing it Nov 30 15:46:49 O_o Nov 30 15:46:52 just staring at the screen when it appeared O_o Nov 30 15:47:03 * lbt_ celebrates Nov 30 15:47:03 * LuciusMare looks into a mirror Nov 30 15:47:09 it worked!! Nov 30 15:47:16 http://www.maemo-guru.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/maemo6.jpg <<< lol ... there is also a zelda here :) Nov 30 15:47:22 LuciusMare: Wazd is in your computer, looking for your porn Nov 30 15:47:33 pirate porn? Nov 30 15:47:44 nvm Nov 30 15:47:57 back to what i want to intentionally...or just type Nov 30 15:48:01 or just want to type Nov 30 15:48:26 I forgot it Nov 30 15:48:28 OMG Nov 30 15:48:38 Something is wrong with me Nov 30 15:49:11 oh,yes i know Nov 30 15:49:28 after i download the image,it will be an installation of the sDK? Nov 30 15:49:30 *SDK? Nov 30 15:49:43 LuciusMare, you'll need to unzip it using 7-zip first Nov 30 15:49:44 and,the 6 ui concept sucks Nov 30 15:49:45 but then, yes Nov 30 15:50:19 i find the good old 4 desktops better than a widgetfull dashboard or whatever it is Nov 30 15:53:37 what about you? Nov 30 15:53:48 Wat do you think about tit? Nov 30 15:53:53 *What do you think about it? Nov 30 15:55:15 I haven't looked at the Maemo 6 UI concepts yet Nov 30 15:55:19 I've been meaning to Nov 30 15:59:45 hey guys, my n900 does not want to turn on, I get the first nokia splash screen, then little dot blinking and it shut down Nov 30 16:00:00 battery low? Nov 30 16:00:10 I dont think so Nov 30 16:00:21 fwiw, it may sometimes go into a mode where it shuts down cos of bad last shutdown Nov 30 16:00:30 let it shut down, and thne turn it on Nov 30 16:01:24 I did Nov 30 16:01:31 try to remove the battery too, sometimes also helps Nov 30 16:02:05 ...just put in the charger before ruling out low battery issues? Nov 30 16:02:39 I just have the usb cable with me Nov 30 16:02:56 yannj, were you charging from a computer, or from the wall charger? Nov 30 16:03:15 I charged from wall in the morning Nov 30 16:03:18 Hi Nov 30 16:03:22 Is Jeremiah around? Nov 30 16:03:39 I installed a kernel module yesterday Nov 30 16:03:57 I did reboot from yesterday I think Nov 30 16:04:11 ok, probably you broke something :) Nov 30 16:04:16 did not* Nov 30 16:04:43 how to acces the filesystem and remove it now Nov 30 16:05:58 GPS seems not to lock if you have wildly inaccurate times. Nov 30 16:06:01 (as in last year) Nov 30 16:06:07 SpeedEvil, no kidding Nov 30 16:07:40 is there a way to debug at startup? Nov 30 16:11:14 fuz_ had a fbcon kernel Nov 30 16:20:28 yannj: no idea how to access the FS in such state. you might have to reflash Nov 30 16:20:49 how do I reflash Nov 30 16:21:20 ~flashing Nov 30 16:21:21 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 30 16:30:22 I'll try Nov 30 16:38:21 http://www.fukung.net/v/9252/5c944ff6947a71445cc9a8a5b7e83cea.jpg Nov 30 16:45:18 NOOO Nov 30 16:45:25 I just finished downloading the SDK image Nov 30 16:45:36 Had to remove half of my movies so it would fit there Nov 30 16:45:42 :( Nov 30 16:45:43 AND I DOWNLOADED FREAKIN DIABLO! Nov 30 16:45:44 aw Nov 30 16:46:26 wait, what? Nov 30 16:46:33 it should have both SDKs Nov 30 16:46:49 huh Nov 30 16:46:51 this is weird Nov 30 16:46:57 i downloaded 1246690289 Maemo PreFinal 2 Fremantle and Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop Part 2 Nov 30 16:47:08 called 1246690289 Maemo PreFinal 2 Fremantle and Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop Part 2 Nov 30 16:47:13 zomg Nov 30 16:47:21 called Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001 Nov 30 16:47:56 Then why is there "diablo examples" and in readme is "Maemo Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex Desktop Edition installed" ? Nov 30 16:48:13 one sec Nov 30 16:48:28 you grabbed part 1 and part 2, right? Nov 30 16:48:33 and unzipped them? Nov 30 16:48:55 yes Nov 30 16:49:02 then loaded the disk Nov 30 16:49:12 those are the same files that I downloaded, and that image includes both Nov 30 16:49:24 and does your readme say the same? Nov 30 16:50:43 yay Nov 30 16:50:47 I can't check right now, sorry, but if you downloaded the Desktop images from the link I gave you, then you have the right one Nov 30 16:50:56 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] Nov 30 16:51:02 \o/ Nov 30 16:51:05 ^^ Nov 30 16:52:52 re Nov 30 16:57:17 any1 know a direct url for promoting to extras-testing the package page for the version i want to promote keeps timing out (for last hour or so) Nov 30 17:01:05 aw Nov 30 17:01:15 when i run App manager,it tells me "operation failed" Nov 30 17:01:48 My phone is back to ife Nov 30 17:01:55 life!! thanks u all Nov 30 17:03:16 and so,operation failed and if i click browse installable - no apps available Nov 30 17:03:25 er Nov 30 17:03:34 yannj, woot Nov 30 17:03:38 yes,no catalogues in use and then no apps available Nov 30 17:03:49 LuciusMare, in the SDK, you mean? Nov 30 17:04:16 jaem: yes Nov 30 17:04:26 ah Nov 30 17:04:29 that's to be expected Nov 30 17:04:35 ah Nov 30 17:04:40 i didnt expect it. Nov 30 17:04:52 if you need packages from extras, you have to add the repo Nov 30 17:05:03 by default it just has the tools and sdk repos Nov 30 17:05:09 i want any packages Nov 30 17:05:20 But i cant install any Nov 30 17:05:22 and you'll want to use fakeroot apt-get in scratchbox, not the app manager Nov 30 17:05:36 i dont even have a terminal Nov 30 17:06:02 wait, are you using sbox + Xephyr, or the host OS (ubuntu)? Nov 30 17:06:25 er Nov 30 17:06:32 okay Nov 30 17:06:38 you started up the SDK VM, right? Nov 30 17:06:40 then what did you do? Nov 30 17:06:47 package_instance/view keeps timing out...been trying for > an hour, is there a problem? Nov 30 17:06:50 then used sbox and xephyr Nov 30 17:06:55 ah Nov 30 17:06:57 i am running it Nov 30 17:07:00 okay Nov 30 17:07:01 so Nov 30 17:07:14 you do your development inside the scratchbox shell Nov 30 17:07:20 only use Xephyr for testing graphical apps Nov 30 17:07:24 it's not an emulator Nov 30 17:07:25 oh Nov 30 17:07:31 hm Nov 30 17:07:39 well, it sort of is, but not in the sense that you're probably expecting Nov 30 17:07:56 don't expect to have a "virtual N900" in the SDK - you don't Nov 30 17:08:19 you have an shell that can run ARM apps that you compile, and an X display to test/run graphical apps Nov 30 17:08:42 if you need packages from extras, then add it to your apt sources, and use fakeroot apt-get to install things Nov 30 17:08:51 at least i expected nrtwork functionality Nov 30 17:09:04 if the VM has networking set up right, then that should work Nov 30 17:09:10 are you using VMWare Server? Nov 30 17:09:22 no,virtualbox Nov 30 17:09:35 and the network in vb is properly set Nov 30 17:09:38 huh Nov 30 17:09:47 what happens when you try to ping something in sbox? Nov 30 17:10:01 in sbox? Nov 30 17:10:03 wait Nov 30 17:11:24 LuciusMare, you might need to copy /etc/resolv.conf into your sb target. If ping works and ping does not, that should solve the problem. Nov 30 17:11:45 Ford_Prefect, thanks - I was about to suggest that, and then forgot ^_^ Nov 30 17:12:36 um Nov 30 17:12:42 command ping not found Nov 30 17:12:47 lol... right Nov 30 17:12:49 I forgot Nov 30 17:12:53 not installed by default Nov 30 17:13:00 well, try what Ford_Prefect said Nov 30 17:13:58 where exatly is sb root? Nov 30 17:14:02 or - sb target? Nov 30 17:14:11 i run /scratchbox/login Nov 30 17:14:27 LuciusMare, from within scratchbox, it's /targets/[targetname]/, I believe Nov 30 17:14:54 wait Nov 30 17:15:03 2http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/11/30/i-wrote-module-player-in-qt/ Nov 30 17:15:29 so different formulation - where should i put /etc/resolv.conf ? Nov 30 17:15:35 and i used dhcpclient Nov 30 17:15:52 in /, I believe Nov 30 17:16:00 it's layered in some fashion Nov 30 17:16:33 Erm, /etc/resolv.conf is where I put it Nov 30 17:16:47 err Nov 30 17:17:04 go with what Ford_Prefect said Nov 30 17:17:22 i dont know what is path to sb target Nov 30 17:17:27 Sec Nov 30 17:17:40 LuciusMare, look in /targets in scratchbox Nov 30 17:17:41 oh! Nov 30 17:17:42 nvm Nov 30 17:17:44 heh Nov 30 17:17:50 /scratchbox/users//targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/ in my case Nov 30 17:18:08 lol Nov 30 17:18:23 cat /etc/resolv.conf # Generated by NetworkManager Nov 30 17:19:05 yeah, just replace it Nov 30 17:33:28 * GAN900 still needs to debug haze's inability to survive automatic connection changes. Nov 30 17:42:08 when I was burning you put wood on the fire......... Nov 30 17:50:12 penguinbait: could have been hair spray... Nov 30 17:50:49 on n900 does anyone know where filemanager stores the data what to use as root folder, ie. can you change it to point / instead of MyDocs Nov 30 17:51:22 I somewhat doubt it Nov 30 17:51:36 g^: you don't want to do that though Nov 30 17:51:39 based solely on the quality of Nokia code in the N810 Nov 30 17:51:49 or rather, the lack thereof Nov 30 17:51:55 / should be owned by root, you run as user Nov 30 17:52:21 what about a symlink to / in MyDocs Nov 30 17:52:28 Stskeeps: yes, and... i am not talking about doing chmod -R a+rwx / Nov 30 17:52:34 maybe a better question is why you'd want to do that Nov 30 17:52:36 till-: MyDocs is vfat Nov 30 17:53:12 change the fs type :) Nov 30 17:53:44 till-: was thinking of that, but tought if filemanager used some .settings file to store that tuff =) Nov 30 17:54:12 or maybe you can do some smb or ntfs stuff Nov 30 17:54:48 zing Nov 30 17:54:52 That reminds me something Nov 30 17:55:13 Have anybody here tried reformatting the ugly vfat to ext2 or 3?Or something else? Nov 30 17:55:23 g^: /etc/passwd Nov 30 17:55:40 LuciusMare: yes, makes it unusable through USB Nov 30 17:55:50 crashanddie, well, for non-Linux OSes Nov 30 17:56:01 crashanddie: who uses windows anyways =D Nov 30 17:56:03 so it's not convenient, but it'll work if you only use it on Linux computers Nov 30 17:56:06 I do Nov 30 17:56:08 at work Nov 30 17:56:08 aw Nov 30 17:56:11 why? Nov 30 17:56:17 because it's corporate policy? Nov 30 17:56:23 huh? Nov 30 17:56:31 and because you don't have outlook on Linux? Nov 30 17:56:41 LuciusMare: I'm a suit Nov 30 17:56:41 * LuciusMare is confused. Nov 30 17:56:45 g^, I don't usually, but I did that with my N810, and then forgot that I couldn't use it at the print-shop Nov 30 17:56:46 heh Nov 30 17:56:49 g^: $MYDOCSDIR - but it is rather stupid changing it Nov 30 17:56:51 You are a piece of clothing? Nov 30 17:57:02 LuciusMare: nevermind Nov 30 17:57:07 there are two ext2/3-drivers for windows Nov 30 17:57:28 till-: and none of those work over USB Nov 30 17:57:30 till-, yes, have you tried them? Nov 30 17:57:43 crashanddie, why not? Nov 30 17:57:45 i'm using a ext3 partition on both win and linux Nov 30 17:57:46 they don't support hotplug IIRC Nov 30 17:57:51 O RLY? Nov 30 17:57:56 qwerty12_N900: thanks! Nov 30 17:57:56 yes? Nov 30 17:57:59 even on a usb flash drive Nov 30 17:58:03 till-: how? Nov 30 17:58:03 till-, are they stable? Nov 30 17:58:07 till-: oh,you told me...nvm Nov 30 17:58:08 _:D Nov 30 17:58:11 jaem: this was a few years back though Nov 30 17:58:11 more or less Nov 30 17:58:26 but yeah, on a partition they work fine Nov 30 17:58:29 one has a problem with not cleanly unmounted fs Nov 30 17:58:55 If i connect my n900 to a computer,it acts as a mass storage device,right? Nov 30 17:58:56 i don't think i'd touch those ext drivers for windows with a barge pole Nov 30 17:58:56 windows wants to format them every time i tried to access :) Nov 30 17:59:06 till-: nice feature Nov 30 17:59:07 but what about making a MyDocs/win partition with fat32 Nov 30 17:59:10 crashanddie, were those the native drivers, or one of the weird ext hacks that isn't quite a driver? Nov 30 17:59:16 LuciusMare, yes it asks you first though, usb storage or pc suite mode Nov 30 17:59:30 and keeping MyDocs as ext2 or whatever Nov 30 17:59:34 jaem: I believe the native driver or something, can't remember Nov 30 17:59:43 zaheerm: great,thanks,and the mass storage mode works like it feeds the connected computer the data directly? Nov 30 17:59:51 till-, what about /home/user as ext3 and /home/user/MyDocs as vfat ;) Nov 30 18:00:01 LuciusMare, it acts like a usb stick Nov 30 18:00:10 zaheerm: i know,but how does it work? Nov 30 18:00:13 i thought the intention was to access / in the file manager Nov 30 18:00:23 and there MyDocs is root Nov 30 18:00:29 I guess that it does not actually run the data through maemo,just into the cable Nov 30 18:00:34 . /home/user is already a ext3 Nov 30 18:00:53 crashanddie, okay. I hadn't tried any of the, but as I understand it, there were some initial apps that allowed you to access an ext filesystem without providing a driver (presumably doing something in userspace?) Nov 30 18:00:57 g^: edit /etc/passwd and set the user home directory to / Nov 30 18:01:08 LuciusMare, the partition is unmounted on the maemo device, then presented to the computer to do what it wants over usb Nov 30 18:01:09 g^: don't know if that'll work, might completely break it, but hey, you asked Nov 30 18:01:15 crashanddie: that makes no sense Nov 30 18:01:22 bye Nov 30 18:01:26 LuciusMare, so userspace in maemo doesn't proxy it, no...it is done in kernel Nov 30 18:01:30 g^: how so? Nov 30 18:01:42 zaheerm: i know,but it could also work like getting requests,reading the partition and sending them back Nov 30 18:01:45 besides user's homedir is /home/user already Nov 30 18:01:47 yes,proxy,something like that Nov 30 18:02:03 g^: [09:50] on n900 does anyone know where filemanager stores the data what to use as root folder, ie. can you change it to point / instead of MyDocs Nov 30 18:02:14 g^: hence, move the homedir to / Nov 30 18:02:20 *sending them back > sending the recoded data to the cable as the computer would expect Nov 30 18:02:23 nvm Nov 30 18:02:29 * AakashPatel hopes his n900 ships today Nov 30 18:02:37 then also patch your environment variable to change $MYDOCSDIR or whatever it is to point to ~ Nov 30 18:02:38 crashanddie: no, that is definedly sth I would not want to do Nov 30 18:02:58 please use real words Nov 30 18:03:15 definedly Nov 30 18:03:17 :) Nov 30 18:03:37 and "sth" Nov 30 18:03:51 grammar nazi Nov 30 18:03:57 spelling nazi Nov 30 18:04:06 quite different from grammar Nov 30 18:04:09 dictionary nazi Nov 30 18:04:24 what time is it in Europe now? Nov 30 18:04:39 what part of europe? Nov 30 18:04:39 6PM Nov 30 18:04:39 ? Nov 30 18:04:40 7pm Nov 30 18:04:47 swe time Nov 30 18:04:49 k Nov 30 18:04:52 thanks Nov 30 18:05:07 i also have 7pm,butt europe is big Nov 30 18:05:16 yeah, I'm from London Nov 30 18:05:44 so 6PM was pretty accurate, though I always consider Paris/Stockholm time to be "Europe time" Nov 30 18:06:29 I landed in California last night, I have no sense of time at this point Nov 30 18:06:38 wtf Nov 30 18:06:42 i am reading newspaper Nov 30 18:06:52 interesting, you can read? Nov 30 18:06:55 :P Nov 30 18:06:59 i just hate when they shoot photos of handsome programmers Nov 30 18:07:04 that was not the point. Nov 30 18:07:12 LuciusMare: Turns you on? Nov 30 18:07:13 Like,90% of programmers are geeks Nov 30 18:07:19 no, they're not Nov 30 18:07:30 hm Nov 30 18:07:36 show me a handsome programmer Nov 30 18:07:49 (RMS :D) Nov 30 18:08:55 LuciusMare: i do know some quite hot computer scientists Nov 30 18:08:58 girls, that is Nov 30 18:08:59 :P Nov 30 18:09:04 LuciusMare: elena Nov 30 18:09:16 LuciusMare: one of my coworkers, trevor Nov 30 18:09:56 LuciusMare: mostly, it's not about how you look, it's how you "maintain" yourself... You can be a hunk physically, if you don't wash and wear 70s clothes and haircut, you'll look like shit Nov 30 18:09:58 http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet.jpg Nov 30 18:10:21 andre__: ping.... how do I confirrm WPA2/AES? My router is runnning wrt and has WPA1+2 and RC4/AES available. dmesg doesn't help Nov 30 18:10:33 ok,so i am in a ugly-programmer zone Nov 30 18:10:34 lbt: iwlist wlan0 scanning? Nov 30 18:11:02 under fremantle? Nov 30 18:11:09 why not? :P Nov 30 18:11:15 Argh, what's a bloody expiration date? Nov 30 18:11:15 iwlist: not found Nov 30 18:11:26 install wireless-tools Nov 30 18:11:26 idiots! Nov 30 18:11:32 lardman: a date where something expires Nov 30 18:11:40 no, that's an expiry date Nov 30 18:11:53 wireless is for pansies anway :) Nov 30 18:11:58 lardman: Let the generalisations begin Nov 30 18:12:03 an expiration date must be when something expirises Nov 30 18:12:16 qwerty12_N900: you ready :) Nov 30 18:12:26 hmm, should wireless-tools be in HAM then? Nov 30 18:12:28 * lardman thinks of architected Nov 30 18:12:36 lardman: No, I'm rather tired, actually Nov 30 18:12:40 lardman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelf_life Nov 30 18:13:04 I have expired Nov 30 18:13:14 GTFO IRC, then Nov 30 18:13:15 qwerty12_N900: we'll save up the abuse-the-abusers-of-the-Queen's-English for another time then Nov 30 18:13:43 the Queen can barely talk ffs Nov 30 18:14:08 crashanddie: just because some fool who can't speak English has written expiration in that doc doesn't make it right Nov 30 18:14:22 LOL http://www.popehat.com/2009/11/23/i-could-not-get-a-degree-from-lincoln-university/ Nov 30 18:14:59 lardman: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aexpiration+date&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a Nov 30 18:15:36 again, .com.... Nov 30 18:16:15 lardman: there's some .gov in those definitions as well ;) Nov 30 18:16:20 is there a way to get the information in lsof through a system call? Nov 30 18:16:26 lardman: Cook Islands is the best Google Nov 30 18:16:39 lardman: now stop trolling, you suck at it Nov 30 18:16:47 .gov doesn't count, they don't speak English Nov 30 18:16:55 true Nov 30 18:16:56 lbt: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/w/wireless-tools/ Nov 30 18:17:03 oops wrong channel it seems :P Nov 30 18:17:17 ? _ ? Nov 30 18:17:36 this is #freetrolls? Nov 30 18:17:52 Flandry: Only when you're present Nov 30 18:17:57 nope,i should reffer you to redirection channel #gay Nov 30 18:18:07 anyone use Windows 7? Nov 30 18:18:20 and namely how do I find the MAC of my wifi chipset? Nov 30 18:18:21 yeah asking unix questions is my way of trolling Nov 30 18:18:30 lardman: ipconfig /all ? Nov 30 18:18:32 lardman: Sure... Oh... let me just castrate myself first Nov 30 18:18:41 in earlier versions it's in the registry Nov 30 18:18:45 not sure about 7 Nov 30 18:18:58 in fact you can change it there ;) Nov 30 18:19:09 not if the chipset doesn't support it Nov 30 18:19:27 probably Nov 30 18:19:32 that worked, thanks crashanddie Nov 30 18:19:32 lardman: np Nov 30 18:19:37 worked fine when i needed it though Nov 30 18:20:08 So, it's the 30th november, N900's still preorder...I thought it was out today? Nov 30 18:20:31 so there's no other way to get file open information than parsing lsof? Nov 30 18:21:10 Flandry: I believe lsof just parses /proc/*/fd Nov 30 18:22:49 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/340x_lgexpo.jpg Nov 30 18:22:52 thanks Nov 30 18:23:53 mm, so that's what happens when you reboot your router Nov 30 18:24:06 lardman_: lemme try Nov 30 18:24:45 okay,enough for me Nov 30 18:25:23 enuff for me Nov 30 18:25:43 would be nice if there was something in between Nov 30 18:25:51 anyone on my question? Nov 30 18:26:22 CShadowRun: yes, you thought it was out today. Nov 30 18:26:36 indeed i did :p Nov 30 18:26:40 so, what's the new release date? Nov 30 18:27:47 Could anyone retell me what does the nokia EULA actually contain,and why the hell it is there on open software? Nov 30 18:28:13 LuciusMa1e: Simple: Not everything is open Nov 30 18:28:21 qwerty12_N900: what is not? Nov 30 18:28:28 LuciusMa1e: 80% of platform is open, 20% isn't Nov 30 18:28:31 many essential components Nov 30 18:28:35 what 20%? Nov 30 18:28:46 LuciusMa1e: Dunno... There's a list somewhere, can't be arsed to find it Nov 30 18:28:50 a very good question that I'd like to see answered Nov 30 18:28:53 LuciusMa1e: if you wait a little while my openness report should be done Nov 30 18:29:02 Stskeeps, cool! Nov 30 18:29:08 i need to generate one for diablo as well so we have a comparision Nov 30 18:29:35 * RST38h moos Nov 30 18:31:09 LuciusMa1e: and that will reveal connections between open and closed and give a very good overview of things Nov 30 18:31:47 LuciusMa1e: you don't technically need nokia-binaries to develop for maemo but it sure helps Nov 30 18:34:50 hmm this is tricky. Nov 30 18:34:55 crashanddie: How many languages do you speak? =) Nov 30 18:35:06 qwerty12_N900: enough Nov 30 18:35:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages mentions some closed packages Nov 30 18:35:35 qwerty12_N900: Speaking german is hard, however understanding it is quite easy, being dutch and all Nov 30 18:36:30 qwerty12_N900: I can read probably something around 8-9 different languages, speak 3 fluently, 5 if the other person is forgiving Nov 30 18:36:44 Nice Nov 30 18:38:18 i keep looking for french classes, but the ads for french classes are themselves in french Nov 30 18:38:38 you'd think some bright instructor would try some non-french ads Nov 30 18:40:15 unixSnob: 'being' French and speaking French are two different things. sure the ads you saw weren't lessons in Frenchness? Nov 30 18:40:18 dutch is weird... reading it is easy but understanding a person talking it is something completely different ;) Nov 30 18:40:34 like swedish Nov 30 18:40:43 köttbullar! Nov 30 18:41:06 julianoliver: the ads are in belgium, so i doubt it Nov 30 18:41:55 belgium has a lot of influence from france as it is Nov 30 18:41:56 "Michael Arrington announced the death of the CrunchPad on Monday morning in a blog post heavily spiced with angst and drama. According to Arrignton, the Cruchpad, a 12-inch Web tablet expected to be priced at about $300, was just days away from launch." Nov 30 18:41:56 unixSnob: don't be too sure.. some of the Francophones I've met in .be fly the Frenchness flag high.. Nov 30 18:42:00 Liar. Nov 30 18:42:07 we can even drink wine at work.. served in the cafeteria Nov 30 18:42:17 baze: little known fact: Dutch was a spinoff project of the Dr Seuss series of childrens books. Nov 30 18:42:28 baze: you can read more about that here: http://www.seussville.com/ Nov 30 18:43:16 unixSnob: indeed. i appreciate this also, the same in many countries across Europe.. Nov 30 18:44:08 i haven't figured out why brits do the cheek kiss to greet in belgium.. i mean, they're not belgian Nov 30 18:44:41 while not being British, i did it when i lived in Belgium. Nov 30 18:44:46 out of politeness mostly.. Nov 30 18:45:07 julianoliver: i don't mean to greet belgians.. I mean brits greeting brits Nov 30 18:45:15 LuciusMa1e, for your interest: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Nov 30 18:45:42 julianoliver: and i think it's a french thing.. I don't think the flemish do the cheek kiss Nov 30 18:46:15 unixSnob: hehe. that is odd. Nov 30 18:46:51 admittedly i didn't notice this strange behaviour. Nov 30 18:46:54 i get confused w/ these folks.. not sure to extend a hand, or a lip Nov 30 18:47:50 i know i screw it up by actually kissing the cheek.. i think i'm supposed to kiss the air around the cheek.. either way, it's strange Nov 30 18:48:53 i'm just going to start laying sloppy wet kisses on cheeks.. that'll stop folks from trying that kind of greet on me Nov 30 18:49:28 my goal will be to leave somethign that they have to wipe off Nov 30 18:50:06 my Turkish and Italian friends do that as well Nov 30 18:50:40 i don't think it's just a French thing Nov 30 18:50:58 it's funny to see guys do it.. the other day a guy in full leathers w/ a couple chains, looking tough, did the cheek kiss w/ another guy - normal for french folks, but a shock to an american Nov 30 18:51:06 people do it here in Germany a little also. Nov 30 18:51:17 Swiss do it a lot also. Nov 30 18:51:23 unixSnob: Maybe it was foreplay? Nov 30 18:51:33 well switzerland has a french population Nov 30 18:51:45 surprizes me about the germans though Nov 30 18:52:00 Turkey's French population is fairly limited... Nov 30 18:53:22 i could pull an obama, and shake hands and kiss and bow all at once to get it covered Nov 30 18:53:34 all in one swift move Nov 30 18:53:58 unixSnob: Berliners, at least. i dare not generalise. Nov 30 18:54:36 what do you mean berliners? folks do that in berlin? Nov 30 18:55:22 aww, now you'll never visit us? Nov 30 18:56:29 hehe Nov 30 18:58:19 interesting Nov 30 18:58:23 Salut lost one of my messages Nov 30 18:59:46 is fakeroot just a scratchbox thing? Nov 30 19:00:41 i guess what i'm trying to figure out is if HAM is root on N900 Nov 30 19:00:43 no, used other places too Nov 30 19:00:54 Flandry: dpkg is Nov 30 19:01:00 part of the debian packaging tools IIRC Nov 30 19:01:26 ok thanks Nov 30 19:02:03 so a post install script in a deb can run as root Nov 30 19:04:42 julianoliver: can you translate this for me (babelfish is lousy): A partir du 01-12-2009, le taux d'intérêt débiteur en cas Nov 30 19:04:46 de dépassement autorisé diminue à 11 %. En cas de Nov 30 19:04:48 dépassement non-autorisé, le taux d'intérêt débiteur est Nov 30 19:04:51 porté à 12,10 %. Nov 30 19:04:53 Nov 30 19:05:04 what? Nov 30 19:05:08 oh no, they got to him Nov 30 19:05:08 that was on a bank statement Nov 30 19:06:02 hm even I cannot speak french Nov 30 19:06:02 seems some taxes raises from 1.12.2009 Nov 30 19:06:06 on Nov 30 19:06:24 hm Nov 30 19:06:31 ah no Nov 30 19:06:38 belgians already tax 60% of my income.. how can they raise that? Nov 30 19:06:53 60%? Nov 30 19:06:55 by going to 70%? Nov 30 19:06:57 more as in german Nov 30 19:06:59 actually it's more Nov 30 19:07:01 uh Nov 30 19:07:09 unixSnob: Translation: Leave Nov 30 19:07:18 and we german always complain about 55% Nov 30 19:07:19 there's national insurance too.. it's more like 75% Nov 30 19:07:42 ie. i get to keep 25% Nov 30 19:08:00 what does the 75% get you? Nov 30 19:08:13 Flandry: 50% off on medical expenses Nov 30 19:08:28 That's it? Nov 30 19:08:32 just that Nov 30 19:08:33 yeah, it sucks Nov 30 19:08:43 ouch Nov 30 19:08:51 * GeneralAntilles chuckles. Nov 30 19:08:55 and when i chipped a tooth and needed a cap, quote was 1000 euro, no coverage Nov 30 19:09:19 you'd think they'd give me a blood crown considering i'm paying 75% in tax Nov 30 19:09:44 that seems...excessive Nov 30 19:09:53 but the beer and chocolate here is quite good Nov 30 19:10:11 unixSnob: i barely read French but it just relates to interest rates for a debt after the date given. Nov 30 19:10:46 unixSnob: be sure to try Chimay Blue, Duvel and Leffe Brun. Nov 30 19:10:47 julianoliver: okay.. quite interesting.. not sure how I can even get into debt on a belgian credit card - it's not trully credit Nov 30 19:10:56 unixsnob oh my god Nov 30 19:11:06 they grab the balance straight out of my bank account every month Nov 30 19:11:06 now I am fine with living in germany Nov 30 19:11:25 ev'ning Nov 30 19:11:30 evening jaffa Nov 30 19:11:31 hey Jaffa Nov 30 19:11:32 Hello, Jaffa. Nov 30 19:11:34 julianoliver: chimay blue is great Nov 30 19:11:51 juliank, those are all excellent indeed, but you also have to try chimay white Nov 30 19:11:51 indeed Nov 30 19:11:51 and westmalle tripel Nov 30 19:11:52 and dubel Nov 30 19:11:53 as well Nov 30 19:11:56 i like hoogarden white.. Nov 30 19:12:03 I think a sources.maemo.org wouldn't be an awful idea. Nov 30 19:12:05 never thought chimay would come in white Nov 30 19:12:19 unixSnob: it does? Nov 30 19:12:24 * unixSnob high fives KMFDM on the westmalle triple Nov 30 19:12:26 blue beer? Nov 30 19:12:46 Flandry, nah it is a trappist ale Nov 30 19:12:48 julianoliver: that's what KMFDM said Nov 30 19:12:50 but the blue label is a double Nov 30 19:12:55 err Nov 30 19:12:56 triple Nov 30 19:13:03 and the white label is as well i think Nov 30 19:13:13 Flandry: actually we have green beer here, if you're into colors Nov 30 19:13:18 it's cactus beer Nov 30 19:13:24 interesting Nov 30 19:13:28 quite good actually Nov 30 19:13:37 unixSnob, westmalle triple is what I always drink if I'm out and about as most cafes here don't have chimay Nov 30 19:13:42 actually i don't drink, but the thought of blue beer was odd Nov 30 19:13:56 KMFDM: great for getting hammered quickly too Nov 30 19:14:09 unixSnob, of course. I'm pretty buzzed after 1 Nov 30 19:14:13 hm, cactus beer. I have to try that! Nov 30 19:14:14 and after 2 I'm generally done for the night Nov 30 19:14:15 I had some red and green beer when I was in Berlin Nov 30 19:14:24 but I'm quite light Nov 30 19:14:25 could you describe the flavour for me? Nov 30 19:14:26 55kg Nov 30 19:14:32 they have green beer here on St Paddy's day though Nov 30 19:14:37 mikhas: you can get it at Delerium Tremens in brussels Nov 30 19:14:59 unixSnob: the most honest name for a Belgian Bar, indeed. Nov 30 19:15:10 unixSnob, chimay white is actually even tastier than the blue somewhat Nov 30 19:15:10 lardman_: was the red beer cherry flavored? Cherry beer is popular in belgium Nov 30 19:15:15 but blue gets your more hammered Nov 30 19:15:16 lardman_, that "red/green" stuff isn't actually beer, if you go by the law =) Nov 30 19:15:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Weisse is mine Nov 30 19:15:29 yeah Nov 30 19:15:30 lardman I dont like it Nov 30 19:15:41 unixSnob, yeah the berry flavored beers taste good, but give me an awful hangover Nov 30 19:15:46 belgian ales never do Nov 30 19:15:56 and belgian ales get me a lot more hammered Nov 30 19:15:56 unixSnob: those flavoured beers are dangerous, was at a conference and they were serving "tasters" of that and another one Nov 30 19:16:19 KMFDM: well the cherry beer isn't good in quanity anyway.. i just have one every 6 or so regular beers to refresh the taste buds Nov 30 19:16:31 even with my vast bulk, I was very pissed by the end of the day ;) Nov 30 19:16:54 i made the mistake of ordering a pint of cherry beer Nov 30 19:17:04 too sweet for my tastes Nov 30 19:17:10 from now on, I'll just order 33cl of cherry beer Nov 30 19:17:13 it can be good if they are making a sour beer Nov 30 19:17:16 does it bother anyone (else) that the battery meter doesn't display usage in percent? Nov 30 19:17:18 yeah Nov 30 19:17:29 clmntch: yes Nov 30 19:17:35 clmntch: the prediction is not that accurate reaslistically Nov 30 19:17:44 yeah i'd prefer a percentage Nov 30 19:17:47 clmntch: it bothers me that the display is color only Nov 30 19:17:50 clmntch: i would like to see an estimate in time left though. Nov 30 19:17:55 lardman_: yes, but they display it as battery half full/empty Nov 30 19:18:01 the NIT should move to the dual color/mono lcds Nov 30 19:18:04 what device is this? Nov 30 19:18:05 I enver make it to 6 beers Nov 30 19:18:10 unless I'm drinking weak stuff Nov 30 19:18:10 lardman: n900 Nov 30 19:18:26 hmm, I thought it has more graduations than that...? Nov 30 19:18:41 there seems to be about 8-10 levels Nov 30 19:18:46 unixSnob, to what possible end? Nov 30 19:18:47 ideally a device would switch to mono mode when the battery is low - like switching to the reserve tank on a motorcycle Nov 30 19:18:55 greenfly: yep Nov 30 19:18:56 unixSnob, composited UI is going to look like shit in mono Nov 30 19:19:00 assuming it's usable. Nov 30 19:19:18 * lardman looks for Pleora Vista drivers Nov 30 19:19:23 GeneralAntilles: sure, but you don't care about the aesthetics when it's about to power off Nov 30 19:19:41 you just want it to function to get the info Nov 30 19:19:45 unixSnob, dual-mode LCDs add to cost. Nov 30 19:19:48 also, mono is better in daylight Nov 30 19:19:49 Especially dual-mode LCDs at that DPI Nov 30 19:19:52 Assuming they even make them. Nov 30 19:20:20 But, considering both the software and hardware costs to implement this feature it sounds like an waste considering the limited benefits. Nov 30 19:20:27 plus what % is the display impacting power consumption at that point Nov 30 19:20:37 seems like you'd get more benefit disabling all wireless Nov 30 19:20:39 hmm.. it seems to be possible to mkfs.ext3 MyDocs drive & add symlinks to / & /home/user as with older tablets =) Nov 30 19:20:49 and scaling down that ARM Nov 30 19:21:05 greenfly, depends. Nov 30 19:21:16 that's because littering / like a home directory is a unix abomination :) Nov 30 19:21:17 Race-to-idle and all that jazz Nov 30 19:23:36 reducing the backlight to minimum automatically would do more anyway Nov 30 19:23:59 qwerty12_N900: thanks for petrovich. you don't happen to know how to interface with libcumulus, too? Nov 30 19:24:00 unless it's already there of course Nov 30 19:24:15 pH5: No idea, sorry Nov 30 19:24:25 what the hell is petrovich? Nov 30 19:24:32 sounds like vodka Nov 30 19:24:46 Also went on my mind Nov 30 19:24:57 Flandry: it depends on the daylight. the NIT is hardly functional in bright daylight if you have a reduced backlight Nov 30 19:25:08 unixSnob, which model do you own? :) Nov 30 19:25:25 the old palms do quite fine in bright daylight Nov 30 19:25:27 GeneralAntilles: n800 Nov 30 19:25:27 unixSnob: wfm with N810 and N900 Nov 30 19:25:33 woglinde: Petrovich is a test tube baby of Russian descent. Nov 30 19:25:39 unixSnob, yeah, not applicable to either the N810 or N900, then. Nov 30 19:25:40 seems like the reflection would overpower the backlight anyway Nov 30 19:25:43 They're both transflective. Nov 30 19:25:59 ah :) Nov 30 19:26:18 ~curse VB for not supporting sending arrays using winsock (slightly OT I know) Nov 30 19:26:19 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, VB for not supporting sending arrays using winsock (slightly OT I know) ! Nov 30 19:26:36 pH5: You may consider asking for libcumulus-dev to be put in nokia-binaries. Looks like they've just started listening: Nov 30 19:26:37 Flandry: it doesn't ahve to be direct light to hinder it.. just bright enough. I have to turn the backlight up quite high to be able to read Nov 30 19:26:40 bug 6177 Nov 30 19:26:40 lardman, careful, we may have to do to you what we did to lcuk. Nov 30 19:26:42 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6177 Consider pushing sharing-dialog-dev to nokia-binaries to encourage developer usage of sharing dialog Nov 30 19:26:42 lardman: cursing VB is always topical Nov 30 19:26:52 what's libcumulus? Nov 30 19:26:53 yes but that's because it's not reflective Nov 30 19:26:59 unixSnob, yes, because the N800 isn't transflective. Nov 30 19:27:03 What Flandry said. Nov 30 19:27:07 fiferboy: :) Nov 30 19:27:08 lardman: I think it is a tag cloud library Nov 30 19:27:20 fiferboy, welcome back. Nov 30 19:27:20 There are no headers available for it, though Nov 30 19:27:24 looking for opinions on the best way to shutdown a background program from a script that starts it earlier Nov 30 19:27:25 GeneralAntilles: Thanks Nov 30 19:27:36 what's transflective? Nov 30 19:27:41 fiferboy, the kid graduate college yet? Nov 30 19:27:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid_crystal_display Nov 30 19:27:54 fiferboy: ah yes, the name sort of gives it away hey? ;) Nov 30 19:28:06 qwerty12_N900: great, thanks for the hint Nov 30 19:28:10 unixSnob: the substrate is reflective so that the incident light helps make the image visible Nov 30 19:28:11 unixSnob, it's got little holes that allow ambient light to be bounced back through the LCD. Nov 30 19:28:16 ^ Nov 30 19:28:42 GeneralAntilles: No, we are holding him back to stay with his age group Nov 30 19:29:14 kinda like the 3d film that gets displayed by putting a mirror behind it Nov 30 19:29:22 i'm thinking of having the background process check a file, and die when the script deletes it. Nov 30 19:29:23 I wonder if it's libcumulus-{humilis|mediocris|congestus}? Nov 30 19:29:27 fiferboy, you're just jealous of him. :P Nov 30 19:29:41 how's that sound? Nov 30 19:29:46 pH5: np,use wiki :P% Nov 30 19:29:51 lardman: lrn2bash Nov 30 19:30:15 lardman: mediocris would explain why they don't want to show the code Nov 30 19:30:16 luke-jr: nothanks Nov 30 19:30:27 :) Nov 30 19:30:39 {a|b|c} is not valid syntax in *any* language I know Nov 30 19:30:50 luke-jr: then we need to invent one Nov 30 19:30:51 lard=pseudo-code Nov 30 19:30:56 pH5: Even the headers, forget the code! Oh, Nokia, how I love you Nov 30 19:31:17 or just use standard BASH syntax Nov 30 19:31:18 {a,b,c} Nov 30 19:31:21 more readable too Nov 30 19:31:31 or,to be more accurate Nov 30 19:31:38 {blah;blah1;blah2} Nov 30 19:31:44 ... Nov 30 19:31:50 If one field could contain a string separated by a comma Nov 30 19:32:00 : Nov 30 19:32:01 ) Nov 30 19:32:04 that's not valid either Nov 30 19:32:25 use C,luke Nov 30 19:32:31 my favourite bash replacement is {a,b}{1,2}{A,B} Nov 30 19:32:40 it gives the full cross product Nov 30 19:32:58 so useful when dealing with complex directory hierarchies Nov 30 19:33:00 LuciusMa1e: it's not valid C either Nov 30 19:33:05 it is Nov 30 19:33:09 {,folder}/ for example Nov 30 19:33:28 waiz Nov 30 19:33:30 wai Nov 30 19:33:32 ... Nov 30 19:33:34 wait Nov 30 19:33:38 nvm Nov 30 19:34:06 {blah;blah1;blah2} would be valid *Perl* for something *completely different* Nov 30 19:34:28 python fields? Nov 30 19:34:53 wait,these are separated by a normal comma Nov 30 19:34:56 Python thinks it's gibberish too Nov 30 19:34:59 nevermind Nov 30 19:35:03 lol XD Nov 30 19:35:22 maybe javascript Nov 30 19:35:30 *g* Nov 30 19:35:43 ReferenceError: :1: blah Nov 30 19:35:44 nope Nov 30 19:35:53 argh, I hate VB Nov 30 19:36:05 lardman: liar Nov 30 19:36:10 ? Nov 30 19:36:13 lardman than avoid it Nov 30 19:36:14 you love VB Nov 30 19:36:18 we all know it Nov 30 19:36:24 mmm VB Nov 30 19:36:25 :x Nov 30 19:36:26 woglinde: lardman goes out of his way to use VB Nov 30 19:36:26 woglinde: has bindings for the hw I want to control Nov 30 19:36:39 or am I thinking someone else? Nov 30 19:36:48 luke-jr: sure do, especially good for work on DSPs ;) Nov 30 19:36:50 lardman: that's a reason to reverse engineer the hw Nov 30 19:37:13 isnt that technically illegal? Nov 30 19:37:17 LuciusMa1e: no? Nov 30 19:37:23 luke-jr: well the hw is unfortunately abstracted by the VB interface, and tbh I can't be arsed :) Nov 30 19:37:32 lardman: fail Nov 30 19:37:57 luke-jr: I get paid for results, not time spent ;) Nov 30 19:37:59 LOL Nov 30 19:38:00 LuciusMa1e: reverse engineering is technically a right Nov 30 19:38:09 The chick at nokia USA's support told me to call back LATER Nov 30 19:38:14 that fool sign away with contracts Nov 30 19:38:14 cuz they were so busy Nov 30 19:38:16 :| Nov 30 19:38:23 WTF AakashPatel Nov 30 19:38:27 VB together with .Net cant be that bad *runs* Nov 30 19:38:52 mikhas: -5 + -10 = -15 Nov 30 19:38:58 oh dear,VB together with .NET? Nov 30 19:39:00 How do they expect us to buy crap if they dont answer thier phoen calls Nov 30 19:39:26 AakashPatel: you're in the wrong chanel. everyone here buys their crap despite how much it sucks Nov 30 19:39:27 <.< Nov 30 19:39:41 Haha I already bought my N900 Nov 30 19:39:46 I just want to know when it'll ship Nov 30 19:39:48 it makes total sense, luke-jr. only your math teachers were wrong, back in school =p Nov 30 19:39:49 see, my point exactly\ Nov 30 19:39:51 args what a mess kvm and qemu are now conflicting in debian unstable Nov 30 19:40:01 hahaha good point Nov 30 19:40:14 oh wait, I think I didnt get it Nov 30 19:40:38 mikhas: -5 (VB) + -10 (.NET) = -15 (VB and .NET) Nov 30 19:40:43 two bad things combined make a worse thing Nov 30 19:40:55 ah Nov 30 19:41:12 *g* Nov 30 19:41:23 actually kinda funny point: Nov 30 19:41:38 the main feature of VB6 was that it compiled to native code instead of P-code. Nov 30 19:41:42 multiple the bad things instead then Nov 30 19:41:50 the main feature of VB.NET is that it compiled to P-code instead of native code... ;) Nov 30 19:41:52 s/multiple/multiply Nov 30 19:41:57 lardman, brilliant! Nov 30 19:42:06 I knew it was good! Nov 30 19:42:10 luke-jr: it can be compiled to native can't it? Nov 30 19:42:29 The pee code? Nov 30 19:42:31 lardman: can .NET be compiled to native? not AFAIK, but I have never wanted to get anywhere near that crap Nov 30 19:43:02 VB 6.0 is compiled to P-code or Native, depending on your project choices Nov 30 19:43:22 and I use VB 6.0, as engineering hw producers don't tend to update their drivers :) Nov 30 19:43:27 Hi Nov 30 19:44:00 lardman: uh, that's what I said... Nov 30 19:44:14 lardman: VB6's main feature was its native target, yet that was removed in .NET Nov 30 19:44:24 ah I see Nov 30 19:44:27 missed it, sorry Nov 30 19:44:49 * lardman wonders why he's doing day job at nearly 8pm Nov 30 19:44:56 a mug i found at nokia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/4146476433/ Nov 30 19:45:01 interesting, I thought windows programming would be easier with .Net? Nov 30 19:45:06 lardman *g* Nov 30 19:45:25 mikhas: fail Nov 30 19:45:29 * mikhas has no clue about windows programming Nov 30 19:45:38 I use C and Qt4 for all my Windows programming, tyvm Nov 30 19:45:48 and I don't touch Windows at any part of the development process Nov 30 19:45:53 leave that for the testers... Nov 30 19:46:07 what do you write? Nov 30 19:46:11 luke-jr, c and Qt4, why not c++ ? Nov 30 19:46:29 hm lol Nov 30 19:46:31 VDVsx: because Windows lacks sane C++ support? Nov 30 19:46:37 how qt works with c Nov 30 19:46:40 thats intressting Nov 30 19:46:46 besides, C is better than C++ usually Nov 30 19:46:55 and when it isn't, Qt4 is better Nov 30 19:47:05 ??????? o.O Nov 30 19:47:12 woglinde, I think C and Qt have a lot more in common than Qt and c++, now that I made my first steps =) Nov 30 19:47:21 oo? Nov 30 19:47:26 C and Qt4 are two different languages.. Nov 30 19:47:31 I can actually understand luke-jr's reasoning Nov 30 19:47:32 luke-jr: this is ideal, up until you have to deal with the Win32 COM or other weird abstractions over hardware and low level bits Nov 30 19:47:33 whth you are talking about Nov 30 19:47:47 C++ is indeed horrible in Windows, hence my using VB for this Nov 30 19:47:54 agreed. Nov 30 19:47:58 woglinde, the Qt guys seem to have stripped C++ from some of its uglier parts, to make it easier to pick up Nov 30 19:48:20 after moc its c++ Nov 30 19:48:29 e.g., their preference for pointers, instead of references in the API => more C-like programming, IMHO Nov 30 19:48:42 I dont look at generated c++ code Nov 30 19:48:46 Qt is to C++ what C++ is to C Nov 30 19:48:59 C++ originated as a preprocessor to C too Nov 30 19:50:12 GUIs are all rubbish anyway Nov 30 19:50:18 lardman *g* Nov 30 19:50:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture Nov 30 19:50:47 hehe Nov 30 19:50:48 Mission Control is marked as proprietary here Nov 30 19:50:54 but that appears to be incorrect? Nov 30 19:51:25 * lardman wonders if 2^31 will be enough characters for his variable length string Nov 30 19:51:35 lardman lol Nov 30 19:51:49 * julianoliver blinks Nov 30 19:52:14 lardman: you're allocating 2 GB for a variable length string? Nov 30 19:52:27 lardman: your string is War and Peace? Nov 30 19:52:27 i thought Qt was a C++ library Nov 30 19:52:29 touch and go, probably a bit less than that Nov 30 19:53:00 well no, I need to pass a 3D short array and looks like winsock won't accept arrays, so convert to string, etc Nov 30 19:53:32 anyway, will be less that 1GB I imagine, so should be fine Nov 30 19:54:03 unixSnob: not quite, it's a new language Nov 30 19:54:03 unixsnob yes Nov 30 19:54:16 unixSnob: currently implemented in C++ to some extent Nov 30 19:54:21 but it runs a praeproc called moc before Nov 30 19:54:25 and backward compatible with C++ mostly Nov 30 19:54:41 Qt4 is a C++ library if C++ is a C library ;) Nov 30 19:55:14 k Nov 30 19:56:49 erm wrong iwndow lol Nov 30 20:09:49 can i develop for maemo on my n900? Nov 30 20:10:28 mikedg-blau, yes you can. Or so says lcuk, who has been doing it since he got it. Nov 30 20:11:13 mikedg-blau, I haven't tried it, since the N900's I use belong to my workplace. I will when I get my own at the end of the week though. Nov 30 20:11:34 where did you order from Nov 30 20:11:40 amazon seems to have a nice deal Nov 30 20:12:13 * timeless_mbp frowns Nov 30 20:12:13 how does Section: work in debian control files? :) Nov 30 20:12:17 im the best developer for android, you guys would do well to have me developer for maemo, i will appreciate any amounts of money for a n900 Nov 30 20:13:24 mikedg-blau: write an app, ask for donations. probably doesn't work the other way around ;-) Nov 30 20:13:31 lol Nov 30 20:13:43 ive written many for Android Nov 30 20:13:48 mikedg-blau, Jaffa is the best maemo developer, he will appreciate any amounts of money, because well hes a whore Nov 30 20:13:54 perhaps you've heard of "I am Richer" or "Melon" Nov 30 20:13:56 timeless_mbp: it's just a string. HAM uses it Nov 30 20:14:02 mikedg-blau: nope Nov 30 20:14:08 Jaffa: yeah, but i was using it in Source: Nov 30 20:14:17 it seems that while i can do that, i really want it in the Package: sections Nov 30 20:14:19 lcuk: damn straight. I'll do owt for cash Nov 30 20:14:26 otherwise my helper packages appear in the ui :( Nov 30 20:14:27 timeless_mbp: yup Nov 30 20:14:32 * timeless_mbp fixes Nov 30 20:14:58 mikedg-blau, if you wrote "i am richer" why havent everyone bought your software and made you a millionare? Nov 30 20:14:59 Jaffa: are there handy variables available? Nov 30 20:14:59 like i have Package: A Nov 30 20:14:59 and Package: B Nov 30 20:15:14 mikedg-blau: My main schtick I use when talking about Maemo is selfishness and how that's why I do stuff Nov 30 20:15:29 hej Jaffa, what do you think would be the best way to distribute maemo specific vala bindings? include them with the vala package, or create an extra maemo-vala package? (hildon-notify, libhildondesktop, libhildonmime etc.) Nov 30 20:15:38 * lbt like's OSS ... it's free :) Nov 30 20:15:48 timeless_mbp: nope, although you could run cpp over the control file before packaging, I guess. Nov 30 20:16:05 lcuk: the economy is bad Nov 30 20:16:19 LOL mikedg-blau you actually are taking my adivce? Nov 30 20:16:28 so rename it "i am poor" and sell it for a buck a piece Nov 30 20:16:39 pH5: Not sure. Upstream vala has shipped Hildon to date. I'd think a vala-hildon package would make sense tho Nov 30 20:17:25 whats with the funky keyboard Nov 30 20:17:58 whats wrong with the funky keyboard Nov 30 20:18:16 Package-A has a Depends: B Nov 30 20:18:16 but i'd like it to have Depends: B (>= ${package-version}) Nov 30 20:18:16 which package-version is the latest version in the debian/changelog Nov 30 20:18:22 mikedg-blau: this is #maemo not #twenty-questions-about-the-n900-hardware-design Nov 30 20:18:37 but the keyboard is just a bunch of buttons, roughly 3x13 (with one button in the bottom row spanning two positions) Nov 30 20:18:51 Jaffa: so you're not very interested in keeping patches in vala mud that don't go upstream? (for example upstream doesn't seem to be very interested in libconic bindings). Nov 30 20:19:27 you can make the buttons do whatever you like Nov 30 20:19:27 pH5: perhaps because conic is junk? :) Nov 30 20:20:08 can i remape the keys on the n900 so that v and b are space? Nov 30 20:20:31 timeless_mbp: junk as in "we have to live with it on n900", or junk as in "don't use it, even there"? Nov 30 20:20:36 ..then where are you going to get the v an b keys? Nov 30 20:20:39 :P Nov 30 20:20:49 space Nov 30 20:20:54 didnt you know, vb is dead Nov 30 20:20:57 left side of space and right side of space Nov 30 20:20:58 mikedg-blau: you could Nov 30 20:21:12 well, vbnm would all shuffle over Nov 30 20:21:18 so i guess n and m would be space Nov 30 20:21:20 but the space key is one key Nov 30 20:22:14 is the maemo sms app open source? Nov 30 20:22:21 the OS is opensource Nov 30 20:22:22 :P Nov 30 20:22:22 does maemo give sexing? Nov 30 20:22:43 only on fridays Nov 30 20:22:43 hmm just noticed some issues with opening PDF files > 1mb Nov 30 20:22:55 venom: on maemo, or in general ? Nov 30 20:23:03 maemo Nov 30 20:23:10 so you're going to have to use space and shift-space Nov 30 20:23:10 and then getting an uppercase letter will be hard Nov 30 20:23:10 you could use fn-space Nov 30 20:23:10 note that bn is the center of the keuyboard, roughly Nov 30 20:23:12 mikedg-blau: there's a web page that lists what's open and what's closed Nov 30 20:23:14 please do us a favor and go find it Nov 30 20:23:16 if you can't find it, you're not really whatever enough to be worth spending our time Nov 30 20:23:40 ok Nov 30 20:23:41 "." is punctuation. The enter key is not. Nov 30 20:23:42 pH5: I don't mind either way. Less overhead for patches to be in vala, I guess :) Nov 30 20:24:13 does anyone have any pdf file that's > 1mb? Nov 30 20:24:32 i got some but prefer not to share it around as it contains confidential info Nov 30 20:24:34 Venomrush: i was going to suggest the userguide Nov 30 20:24:43 but the copyright file is 1/4 mb Nov 30 20:24:49 and the userguide doesn't seem to be on my device Nov 30 20:25:15 the user guide on the device is in .html Nov 30 20:25:28 im out boondongles! Nov 30 20:25:28 ciao Nov 30 20:25:42 finally :) Nov 30 20:26:02 whoa. that was bonkers! Nov 30 20:26:04 Meh, we were all newbies once Nov 30 20:26:08 from memory the maemo sdk docs are available as pdf's Nov 30 20:26:09 lol Nov 30 20:26:12 of course Nov 30 20:26:16 Google was quite revealing about that guy. Nov 30 20:26:25 ...we weren't all INSAAANE Nov 30 20:26:26 jaffa, well yea, but not all of us are douches... Nov 30 20:26:37 Venomrush: http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/am3517 Nov 30 20:26:40 mece, hey speak for yourself! :P Nov 30 20:27:01 GeneralAntilles, well some of us were. I wasn't speaking of myself :D Nov 30 20:27:23 WHO INSANE Nov 30 20:27:29 u Nov 30 20:27:31 >.< Nov 30 20:27:33 Venomrush: so, pdf's vary Nov 30 20:27:53 Venomrush: or for a 120m one - http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/B092/digikey.pdf Nov 30 20:27:53 * Jaffa and I aren't. Oh no; the voices tell us so. Nov 30 20:28:20 i think im gonna put n900 user guide and test it Nov 30 20:28:29 at the moment Nov 30 20:28:34 i cannot open any pdf files bigger than 1mb Nov 30 20:28:39 Jaffa, need i get the photo of you actually looking as insane as that rant Nov 30 20:28:47 its either tells me to 'enter a password' which the pdf file doesn't have any Nov 30 20:28:49 Hehe Nov 30 20:28:51 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17230 Nov 30 20:28:52 or it says 'file corrupted' Nov 30 20:29:17 what kind of other purpouse than illegal card copying can that device be used for.. Nov 30 20:29:33 lcuk: best not! Nov 30 20:29:47 * Jaffa heads back to the scary real world Nov 30 20:30:24 Midori is in extras devel ^_^ Nov 30 20:30:41 Please try it out, anyone who is interested Nov 30 20:30:47 kalikiana: Sweet Nov 30 20:31:11 kalikiana: what is Midori? sounds familiar. Nov 30 20:31:25 julianoliver, a webkit based browser Nov 30 20:31:32 WebKit goodness Nov 30 20:31:39 ahah. cheers. will explore. Nov 30 20:31:55 Ceron^: ideally nothing Nov 30 20:32:15 Ceron^: Anyone using that sort of card for secure apps deserves all they get Nov 30 20:33:24 kalikiana, is it risky to install? Nov 30 20:34:23 venomrush: the User Guide opens smoothly.. Its 4.5mb Nov 30 20:34:40 mece, you risk becoming addicted. :-) Nov 30 20:35:14 what the hell Nov 30 20:35:17 user guide works Nov 30 20:35:30 hmmm Nov 30 20:35:40 kalikiana, yes naturally. I've been waiting for it, and have a couple of N900's at the office, but since they aren't really _my_ phones, I don't want to mess them up too badly... Nov 30 20:35:45 archebyte PM pls Nov 30 20:35:58 hmm that one could have used some actual punctuation... Nov 30 20:36:02 Hi Nov 30 20:36:09 I have a question Nov 30 20:36:18 kalikiana: Is it actually in extras-devel's Packages file? Nov 30 20:36:40 How is the Nokia telepathy different from Google Desktop Gadgets? Nov 30 20:36:57 qwerty12_N900, I got the confirmation that it should be. Unless it's still pending some kind of missing update Nov 30 20:36:57 wtf is google desktop gadgets? Nov 30 20:37:21 * kalikiana checks again Nov 30 20:37:37 kalikiana: An OK from the autobuilder doesn't mean it's imported into the repo right away Nov 30 20:37:48 kalikiana: Hell, extras-devel is slow as shit nowadays Nov 30 20:38:19 Hrm.. apt indeed doesn't know it :-( Nov 30 20:38:32 could someone with an N900 please check if /dev/uinput exists, and its permissions? Nov 30 20:38:58 It does not Flandry Nov 30 20:39:10 Flandry: Doesn't exist Nov 30 20:39:35 is it at /dev/input/uinput? Nov 30 20:39:37 /dev/input/uinput crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 223 Jan 1 1970 uinput Nov 30 20:39:47 awesome thank Nov 30 20:39:48 s Nov 30 20:40:09 Vink, I found Google desktop and google gadgets, none of which have any similarities with telepathy afaik. Am I missing something? Nov 30 20:41:12 wow Nov 30 20:41:18 LHR Terminal 2 closed Nov 30 20:43:03 timeless_mbp_: Aliens? Nov 30 20:43:10 ? Nov 30 20:43:59 timeless_mbp_: The confiscation of liquid containers is now revealed to be a plot, because over 100ml of liquid could be dangerous to the desert-dwelling creatures come to suck peoples minds! Nov 30 20:44:00 Christ Nov 30 20:44:04 That Red Pill thread is ridiculous Nov 30 20:44:16 They've been going back and forth over a question that was answered on page 1. Nov 30 20:44:17 URL? Nov 30 20:44:52 I am on a dilema - moving 8 windows from desktop number three to desktop number one where my terminal with irssi is - but that would take a lot of time,or moving the terminal to desktop number three thus violating my desktop standards,i keep all fun at number one. Nov 30 20:45:00 mece, I think google gadgets are just UI widgets that could be written by anyone, and available for anyone to use Nov 30 20:45:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=401434&posted=1#post401434 Nov 30 20:45:54 http://g0.fi/1gd oo Nov 30 20:46:17 LuciusMa1e: what kind of boat or plane is a dilemma? Nov 30 20:46:37 Clearly a biplane. Nov 30 20:46:48 Made from lemmings. Nov 30 20:47:32 GeneralAntilles: we really could have changed the apt cache to use the mmc Nov 30 20:47:52 timeless_mbp_, indeed. Nov 30 20:48:09 timeless_mbp_: dilemma: * state of uncertainty or perplexity especially as requiring a choice between equally unfavorable options - I can either violate my standards or spend some time at moving Nov 30 20:48:24 LuciusMa1e: dilemmas aren't platforms Nov 30 20:48:30 ITYM 'on the horns of a dilemma' Nov 30 20:48:40 http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5746 Nov 30 20:48:41 you're never on dilemmas Nov 30 20:48:42 Bug 5746: symlink /var/cache/apt/archives to /home/apt-archives Nov 30 20:48:44 you can be on a boat Nov 30 20:49:28 Vink, so what were you asking about then? Telepathy is a communications framework, google gadgets is not. Nov 30 20:50:07 GeneralAntilles: i'm tempted to provide a package which deals w/ that Nov 30 20:51:05 Hmm. The mail client running on my N900 doesn't seem to be 'marking as read' emails I read on it, from my IMAP server (mac.com). I really thought it had been doing it before, but I could be mistaken, as it was mostly stuff I read and deleted, whereas now, I'm not doing the deleting. Any comments? Nov 30 20:51:38 fnordianslip: i've heard rumor that modest has logging you can turn on Nov 30 20:51:42 i'd suggest turning it on Nov 30 20:51:43 fnordianslip, check the bugzill (bugs.maemo.org) and see if its either noticed or cured or whatnot Nov 30 20:52:05 * qwerty12_N900 would suggest not using Modest but, alas, where's the alternatives? Nov 30 20:52:13 gmail :) Nov 30 20:52:25 i just wondered if others are getting their mail "marked as read" on IMAP servers? Nov 30 20:52:27 gmail works better in html mode Nov 30 20:52:36 yes Nov 30 20:52:36 but then at home its in yucky format Nov 30 20:52:42 gmail /x or /h Nov 30 20:52:43 so its not ideal Nov 30 20:52:43 lcuk: Indeed, that's the mode I use it in on the N900 Nov 30 20:53:10 ahh timeless theres an alternative link to just use html from specific client? Nov 30 20:53:21 https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ Nov 30 20:53:26 https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ Nov 30 20:53:37 https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 Nov 30 20:53:44 https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2 Nov 30 20:53:45 i just wish modest wasn't so unfortunately named Nov 30 20:53:49 that doesnt roll off the tongue as easy as typing gmail into address bar lol Nov 30 20:54:05 thanks timeless Nov 30 20:54:09 will bookmark it Nov 30 20:54:18 fnordianslip: unfortunately? Nov 30 20:54:31 hi all Nov 30 20:54:37 Ive a fast question Nov 30 20:54:45 no Nov 30 20:54:58 lcuk: You're not a greeter are you? Nov 30 20:55:05 :P Nov 30 20:55:06 well, it seems ironic, that's all. it needs to be modest, as it has nothing to shout about :) Nov 30 20:55:07 I have a brand new N900 and the mic is not working Nov 30 20:55:11 jeremiah, you can tell? Nov 30 20:55:18 :O dieg Nov 30 20:55:21 fnordianslip: that isn't irony Nov 30 20:55:23 dieg: you're in spain? Nov 30 20:55:28 yes Nov 30 20:55:29 it is. ask alanis! Nov 30 20:55:32 i'd call it "fitting" Nov 30 20:55:37 dieg: did you buy it in the UK? Nov 30 20:55:41 nop Nov 30 20:55:41 heh Nov 30 20:55:42 I'd call it humble. Nov 30 20:55:46 lol Nov 30 20:55:59 we could call it apt [ly named] Nov 30 20:56:00 from nokia spain online shop Nov 30 20:56:03 but that'd confuse people Nov 30 20:56:05 "better than nothing" Nov 30 20:56:18 call it btn Nov 30 20:56:26 Oh. It is much better than the first maemo mail client. Nov 30 20:56:29 Much much better. Nov 30 20:56:41 anybody knows something? Is it a software or a hardware error? Nov 30 20:56:53 dieg: there are a lot of reports of this happening Nov 30 20:56:57 dieg there is a thread on talk.maemo.ogr about this Nov 30 20:57:03 dieg: There are some discussions about that on talk.maemo.org Nov 30 20:57:04 dieg: well, "a lot" because some people are very vocal about it Nov 30 20:57:08 dieg, can be both. one thread on t.m.o suggests it is software only, some interference with bluetooth or so Nov 30 20:57:21 * range nuknuks crashanddie Nov 30 20:57:34 And is there any solution? Nov 30 20:57:35 crashanddie, you stateside? Nov 30 20:57:41 aye Nov 30 20:57:50 having lunch Nov 30 20:57:57 dieg, follow the thread on talk.maemo.org and see what people do ive been too caught up in other things to notice much. Nov 30 20:58:02 hope you get it cured tho Nov 30 20:58:04 ok Nov 30 20:58:07 wicked crashanddie Nov 30 20:58:08 thanks lcuk :) Nov 30 20:58:40 crashanddie, you say a few vocal people. how can they be vocal if their mic doesnt work Nov 30 20:58:46 dieg: One word: nuknuk. The most whiniest guy in the world Nov 30 20:59:07 true that... Nov 30 20:59:22 lcuk: that's my point, they're so vocal they don't actually need a mic Nov 30 20:59:31 dieg, for me pushing the mic toggle button (the mic icon) when making a call solves it Nov 30 20:59:57 mikhas, pushing? to silence the mic? Nov 30 21:00:03 * lcuk willhave to readup about this Nov 30 21:00:09 * qwerty12_N900 laughs at his pre-prod working better than some final devices Nov 30 21:00:12 dieg: yeah, turn it off and on again Nov 30 21:00:15 so I would try to: A) switch off wifi + bluetooth, B) press the mic toggle button a few times =) Nov 30 21:00:21 heh, first time i have seen that. eggtimer alarm triggered, and the N800 rebooted... Nov 30 21:00:23 Perks of having it made in Finland, not Korea, I guess Nov 30 21:00:28 the two devices I got today both worked perfectly fine... Nov 30 21:00:40 qwerty12_N900: pre-prod wasn't made in finland Nov 30 21:00:42 it's stupid, I know. but it gives me hope that it is a software bug only =) Nov 30 21:00:55 crashanddie: The label on the back of mine says otherwise Nov 30 21:01:07 qwerty12_N900: only to go around EU lawas Nov 30 21:01:20 s/was/ws/ Nov 30 21:01:20 crashanddie meant: qwerty12_N900: only to go around EU laws Nov 30 21:02:03 lcuk: thanks for bugzilla tip on my modest issue. bug 2987 explains all. Nov 30 21:02:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987 Does not always mark e-mails as read (dovecot/cyrus/google IMAP server) Nov 30 21:02:22 :) yw fnordianslip Nov 30 21:02:39 * lcuk understands bugzilla importance now :) Nov 30 21:02:47 "fnordianslip", is that like the northern counterpart of freudian slip? Nov 30 21:02:53 is U.S. model really identical to european one? it is listed as "optimized for for WCDMA 900/1700/2100" (instead of 850/1900/2100) Nov 30 21:02:56 * lcuk kicks liqbase tho Nov 30 21:03:11 its the discordian counterpart Nov 30 21:03:32 Arkenoi: they're not identical Nov 30 21:04:16 Arkenoi, the radios are. Nov 30 21:06:50 perfect, 600€ mobile without mic... Nov 30 21:07:22 these n900 screens get filthy. luckily it's resistive so you can use stylus or fingernail.. Nov 30 21:09:03 julianoliver, they show worse on white backgrounds Nov 30 21:09:18 * lcuk prefers black screens Nov 30 21:09:31 dieg: warranty Nov 30 21:09:52 3 months waiting for a phone and now it's broken? Nov 30 21:09:54 black is the new black... and the old black, and the current black. So yeah, Black. Nov 30 21:10:07 a 600€ phone... broken? Nov 30 21:10:09 dieg :( Nov 30 21:10:40 dieg, that sucks :/ Nov 30 21:10:45 Phones break, all the time. Nov 30 21:10:49 and now what? another month to get a working phone? Nov 30 21:10:53 Internet Tablets, on the other side... >:) Nov 30 21:10:55 dieg, have to tried toggling the mic? Nov 30 21:11:09 dieg: No, they should have them in stock now at nokia. Nov 30 21:11:16 mikhas, toggling the mic, disabling the wifi and bluettoth Nov 30 21:11:23 damn Nov 30 21:12:23 the last resort would be removing the battery for ~1h Nov 30 21:13:08 removing the battery? what is the science in that? Nov 30 21:13:33 remove all capictance stored in the capacitors Nov 30 21:13:42 dieg, consumer electronics have failure rates. Nov 30 21:13:43 capacitance even Nov 30 21:13:45 No surprise there. Nov 30 21:14:07 dieg, did you reflash? Nov 30 21:14:09 ~flashing Nov 30 21:14:10 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 30 21:14:41 reflash solves anithing? Nov 30 21:14:52 Dunno, but it can't hurt. Nov 30 21:15:31 what's in /lib/udev/rules.d on N900? Is this documented somewhere? Nov 30 21:16:08 oh fer fracks sake. Again with the twitterfail :/ Nov 30 21:17:02 Why the hell is it "big news" that there will only be one new maemo device 2010? Nov 30 21:17:18 massive ignorance on maemo by the general public? Nov 30 21:17:23 GeneralAntilles, what image? Nov 30 21:17:42 dieg, the one for your locale? Nov 30 21:17:45 I doubt there will be even one :D Nov 30 21:17:53 GeneralAntilles, very clever, thanks Nov 30 21:17:55 :) Nov 30 21:17:56 ShadowJK, how so? Nov 30 21:17:59 ah yes, reflashing ... actually, that's quite easy, and GA already gave you the link Nov 30 21:18:02 I realize this is not the place but I have never dealt with nokia before, is their customer support always this bad? cancelled my preorder of the n900 and 40min+ wait time on phone so far Nov 30 21:18:14 dieg, I can't guess what your options are. Nov 30 21:18:15 How do you get into the bootloader of the n900 Nov 30 21:18:20 *they* cancelled my preorder Nov 30 21:18:29 dieg, based on zero information I'm giving you the best answer I happen to have at the moment. Nov 30 21:18:38 mece: because everyone is hyped of the number of devices that android has seen being announced? Nov 30 21:18:43 dude redondos are you talkin about Nokia USA? Nov 30 21:18:51 returnthis* Nov 30 21:18:54 returnthis: you ordered it from their webshop? Nov 30 21:18:58 AakashPatel: yes Nov 30 21:19:00 crashanddie, people still care about that pong stuff? Nov 30 21:19:02 returnthis, Nokia USA is absolutely horid. Nov 30 21:19:04 They are soooo understaffed Nov 30 21:19:10 returnthis, and the webstore is handled through a 3rd party. Nov 30 21:19:13 thank you GeneralAntilles, seriously Nov 30 21:19:13 Which is worse. Nov 30 21:19:13 AakashPatel: lunch time Nov 30 21:19:13 I couldnt even get to a sales agent about a quetion Nov 30 21:19:26 crashanddie: I called at like 2 pm their time Nov 30 21:19:30 AakashPatel: so nokiausa != nokia ? Nov 30 21:19:32 AakashPatel: lunch time Nov 30 21:19:33 dieg, sarcasmdar fail? Nov 30 21:19:39 o.O Nov 30 21:19:41 how long is lunch time Nov 30 21:19:41 * timeless_mbp needs to call someone again Nov 30 21:19:48 mece, considering that some parts of the world will get 0 maemo5 devices in 2009 ;) Nov 30 21:19:57 AakashPatel: 24 hours a day, but you need to take into account solar drift Nov 30 21:20:01 GeneralAntilles, no sarcasm here :) Nov 30 21:20:07 AakashPatel: which can make it vary between 24 and 24 hours Nov 30 21:20:10 ShadowJK: :9 Nov 30 21:20:12 dieg, ah, apologies, then. Nov 30 21:20:19 ...confusing sets in Nov 30 21:20:24 ...confusion* Nov 30 21:20:33 returnthis: Nokia hasn't been on the direct retail market for that long, most of their sales have gone through third parties, and I'd assume this quite recent decision to sell directly to consumers has seriously left them understaffed, or whatever company they've offshored the service to Nov 30 21:20:34 confusing confusion? Nov 30 21:20:34 dieg, the hordes of entitled, rude, and unpleasant new people lately have thrown off my calibration. :) Nov 30 21:20:37 ShadowJK, heh right. Still, shouldn't be long before one of those fancy (read pointless) slim keyboardless ones will appear I should think. Nov 30 21:21:03 :) Nov 30 21:21:07 Myrtti: ok. so in other words I am screwed. Nov 30 21:21:22 They're STILL busy Nov 30 21:21:23 I'm running and amd64 Debian, I home i386 flasher works Nov 30 21:21:32 returnthis, well screwed, or at least stuck with dealing with crappy service. Nov 30 21:21:45 dieg: me home english 2 Nov 30 21:21:56 LOL Nov 30 21:21:56 returnthis: Did you get a refund? Nov 30 21:22:04 ouch Nov 30 21:22:05 returnthis: no, you just need to be persistant Nov 30 21:22:11 s/home/hope Nov 30 21:22:21 AakashPatel: I have no idea if they charged me or not. Nov 30 21:22:29 They probably didn't Nov 30 21:22:32 Just reorder it Nov 30 21:22:45 And if they did charge you, decline it Nov 30 21:23:15 OH noes! the sdk installer added desktop shortcuts! The horror! Nov 30 21:23:40 desktop? Nov 30 21:23:42 mece: Use the text-based one, then. The GUI one... Ha Nov 30 21:23:56 qwerty12_N900, yes. I've learned my lesson now... Nov 30 21:24:27 bahaha still a busy signal Nov 30 21:24:31 way to go nokia Nov 30 21:26:55 how is security handled on N900. Is it just assumed that only the user will be able to access it? Nov 30 21:27:09 not really Nov 30 21:27:26 it is truly shocking how bad nokia is Nov 30 21:27:33 I wish the freerunner didn't suck Nov 30 21:27:38 returnthis: Their support Nov 30 21:27:41 erasing CMT... Nov 30 21:27:46 their products are fine Nov 30 21:28:17 I am sending them a bill for my time Nov 30 21:28:19 Flandry, works pretty much like a regular debian box once you've added some users. Nov 30 21:28:36 added some users? Nov 30 21:28:58 do you create a password and account when you receive it? Nov 30 21:29:22 Flandry, with the actual device there is no security outofbox, unfortunately Nov 30 21:29:33 I'm trying to figure out the relative merits of adding user to a group and making a file group writeable vs just making it all writeable Nov 30 21:29:35 Flandry, only for remote accessing Nov 30 21:29:50 Flandry, well if you have the ssh server... Nov 30 21:30:13 ? Nov 30 21:30:44 Flandry, there doesn't seem to be any user handling in the UI Nov 30 21:31:12 my app needs access to /dev/uinput, which is 0660. I could change the udev rule to 0666 or add the user to a group and set uinput to that group Nov 30 21:31:41 Flandry, many apps seem to have their own user Nov 30 21:31:53 their own "user"? oO Nov 30 21:32:04 Flandry, err Nov 30 21:32:08 uhmm Nov 30 21:32:20 accesing dbus? couldn't you use xtest? Nov 30 21:32:21 Flandry, I don't have the device atm, so I can't look at it. Ok not apps, Nov 30 21:32:25 er.. dbus. I mean uinput Nov 30 21:32:38 ah, hello javis Nov 30 21:32:39 xtest? Nov 30 21:32:46 hello RST38h Nov 30 21:32:49 let me see... Nov 30 21:32:54 Flandry: xtest is used for injecting fake events into X11 Nov 30 21:32:59 may not be what you want... Nov 30 21:33:05 oh Nov 30 21:33:07 but it can be used as nonroot Nov 30 21:33:10 not really Nov 30 21:33:21 * lcuk buys everyone a beer Nov 30 21:33:26 Good use for Lenovo notebooks: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_lenovo-test1.jpg Nov 30 21:33:29 (except for javispedro :p) Nov 30 21:33:31 i have an accelerometer joystick driver Nov 30 21:33:37 it uses uinput Nov 30 21:33:40 lcuk: thanks :) Nov 30 21:33:46 reflashed: mic not working Nov 30 21:33:56 ah crap Nov 30 21:34:21 ok, is this a software problem Nov 30 21:34:23 really good impression of Nokia's flagship Nov 30 21:34:26 i heard mention up there about press button and release Nov 30 21:34:33 lcuk, can be both Nov 30 21:34:42 1000 brownie points for anyone who can find the udev rule on N900 that handles uinput :/ Nov 30 21:34:43 i mean now in diegs case Nov 30 21:34:49 I can solve mine with above procedure Nov 30 21:34:54 others ... cannot Nov 30 21:34:58 lcuk, what button? this thing is full of buttons Nov 30 21:34:58 so you also have this issue? Nov 30 21:35:09 has bug been filed Nov 30 21:35:17 dieg: What do you mean Nov 30 21:35:17 dieg, in the phone call ui Nov 30 21:35:21 there is a mute button Nov 30 21:35:24 does mer run on n900? Nov 30 21:35:24 dieg: really good impression of Nokia's flagship Nov 30 21:35:27 gah Nov 30 21:35:37 cosmo: yes Nov 30 21:35:42 the status page doesn't mention 900 Nov 30 21:35:43 lcuk, toggling mic during call doesn't solve it Nov 30 21:35:46 trying to develop for this on the SDK is a joke :P Nov 30 21:35:49 Flandry: /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules Nov 30 21:35:54 mikhas, which bug is it saved as Nov 30 21:36:09 qwerty12_N900: thanks, what's it say? Nov 30 21:36:10 :( dieg thats rly unfortunate Nov 30 21:36:28 Flandry: Found in the aptly named "udev" package =) Nov 30 21:36:35 I'm really disappointed Nov 30 21:36:45 I can't believe this is a hardware problem Nov 30 21:36:54 lcuk, no idea if there is already one. I only skimmed through that one t.m.o thread yesterday Nov 30 21:36:57 it's not in kubuntu Nov 30 21:36:59 Not in a 600€ Nokia phone Nov 30 21:37:06 Flandry: Sorry, too tired to pastebin Nov 30 21:37:06 Are many poeple experiencing a mic problem? Nov 30 21:37:17 Flandry: Look in the SDK, of course Nov 30 21:37:18 mikhas, then could you go onto bugs.maemo.org and see if there is a specific bug about the mic Nov 30 21:37:22 there bloody well should be by now Nov 30 21:37:24 AakashPatel, at least me! Nov 30 21:37:36 There's awhole thread on TMO Nov 30 21:37:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075 Nov 30 21:37:54 I know Nov 30 21:37:58 Yep Nov 30 21:38:09 AakashPatel: Plus a shitton of posts in unrelated threads thanks to nuknuk Nov 30 21:38:12 * AakashPatel hopes his doesnt have it Nov 30 21:38:12 but there isn't solution Nov 30 21:38:16 dieg, where'd you order from? Nov 30 21:38:26 qwerty12_N900: Is there any moderation going on? Nov 30 21:38:30 Nokia Spain Shop GeneralAntilles Nov 30 21:38:41 ordered 3/09 Nov 30 21:38:43 ah Nov 30 21:38:46 o.O Nov 30 21:38:51 dieg: 3/09??? Nov 30 21:38:51 and now: hardware error Nov 30 21:38:56 AakashPatel: Some, but the game really needs stepping up Nov 30 21:38:58 hmm it is there alright, just doesn't do anything Nov 30 21:39:01 3rd Sep Nov 30 21:39:05 qwerty12_N900: Seriously Nov 30 21:39:36 The N900 has 2 mic? Nov 30 21:39:37 s Nov 30 21:39:46 * lcuk will be speaking to people in barcelona about reining the fora in Nov 30 21:39:57 wait. are they actually delivering n900? Nov 30 21:40:23 AakashPatel: For example, there was this guy named "God". Guy was whining about how he should leave. People voted yes. He then proceeded to make Talk popup dialogs using JS. Reggie gave him a 10 day ban Nov 30 21:40:24 haha Nov 30 21:40:25 yes and they are being used happily by the majority Nov 30 21:40:30 AakashPatel: not even a perm. one Nov 30 21:40:31 rein in the fauna while you're at it Nov 30 21:40:36 so if I cancel my preorder and order it, I won't lose my place. it will just be shipped Nov 30 21:40:40 and then he came back. Nov 30 21:40:43 qwerty12_N900, really come on, you cannot ban god forever Nov 30 21:40:48 you dont know the repurcussions Nov 30 21:40:50 yes you can Nov 30 21:40:55 it's very easy actually Nov 30 21:41:01 just stop praying for your n900 to arrive Nov 30 21:41:06 lol Nov 30 21:41:25 qwerty12_N900: Start a moderation thread ;) Nov 30 21:41:29 * timeless_mbp looks for testers Nov 30 21:41:37 lcuk: Note I used quote marks? Nov 30 21:42:01 So, this is a hardware problem Nov 30 21:42:13 so, tomorrow I'll call nokia care Nov 30 21:42:13 AakashPatel: I nominate you to be the first poster in i Nov 30 21:42:14 t Nov 30 21:42:24 I want another N900 by this friday Nov 30 21:42:42 go extort it for someone. Nov 30 21:42:47 qwerty12_N900: Haha to make the thread? Nov 30 21:42:50 s/for/from :) Nov 30 21:43:10 What? God is back? Nov 30 21:43:14 AakashPatel: Sure. I'll put my vote down for you Nov 30 21:43:19 RST38h: in a sense, he was never gone. Nov 30 21:43:25 RST38h, yes. Nov 30 21:43:32 AakashPatel: (and then proceed to take a shitload of medication afterwards) Nov 30 21:43:37 Okay sweet, i'll write one up tomorrow even after my n900 (hopefully arrives) Nov 30 21:43:44 i remember seeings something about the policy of using "maemo" in app names. Link anyone? Nov 30 21:44:07 qwerty12_N900: Tynonol ftw Nov 30 21:44:13 lcuk, there is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455 Nov 30 21:44:16 Bug 6455: Mic doesn't work after a full charge with standard n900 charger Nov 30 21:44:27 qwerty12_N900: what section should i put it in Nov 30 21:44:29 Flandry: "maemo packing policy" Nov 30 21:44:34 AakashPatel: Oh, thanks for the tip! Nov 30 21:44:37 ah thanks Nov 30 21:44:41 AakashPatel: Dunno, I was joking Nov 30 21:44:42 Flandry: err, "Maemo Packaging Policy", sorry Nov 30 21:44:48 qwerty12_N900: haha you suck Nov 30 21:44:52 but from my reading of the t.m.o thread there is more than one thing that can affect the mic though Nov 30 21:45:00 javispedro: definitely a ban Nov 30 21:45:04 comment/file more bugs? Nov 30 21:45:10 "qwerty12_N900: AakashPatel: Oh, thanks for the tip!" Nov 30 21:45:14 huh? Nov 30 21:45:17 * Flandry has yet to unravel the secrets of searching m.o Nov 30 21:45:27 flandry, you cant search Nov 30 21:45:32 you have to READ =) Nov 30 21:45:52 well, perhaps google can help with a site search Nov 30 21:45:54 i've read that several times Nov 30 21:45:58 AakashPatel: Tylenol Nov 30 21:46:03 oh haha Nov 30 21:46:21 I will dedicate the OD to you Nov 30 21:46:22 i did a google search and found stuff on the trademark usage Nov 30 21:46:36 hahaha Nov 30 21:46:40 but really actually searching m.o is futile Nov 30 21:46:43 How do i boot into the bootloader of the n900 Nov 30 21:46:47 If i wanted to reflash it Nov 30 21:46:49 Does anyone know if the N900 uses the DSP for multimedia usecases? Nov 30 21:47:14 for some codecs it does Nov 30 21:47:41 ... Nov 30 21:47:44 not sure about the ogg support though ... havent tried it after reflashing Nov 30 21:47:45 nhg google for n900 dsp theora h264 Nov 30 21:47:50 and gstreamer Nov 30 21:47:51 sorry Nov 30 21:47:52 this is a f****** s*** !!!!!! Nov 30 21:47:59 mikhas: Do you know if it uses GST-DSP or some other method? Nov 30 21:48:01 I want a working phone! Nov 30 21:48:01 :( Nov 30 21:48:03 dieg, just turn it in under warranty Nov 30 21:48:04 :''''''''( Nov 30 21:48:12 dieg, does xterm work? Nov 30 21:48:26 nhg gstreamer with omap3 dsp bridge support Nov 30 21:48:27 mikhas, I don't want to wait another month! Nov 30 21:48:29 nhg, I have no clue Nov 30 21:48:30 qwerty12_N900, post in the signal to noise thread Nov 30 21:48:31 yes mece Nov 30 21:48:32 or make a new one Nov 30 21:48:35 its on brainstorm Nov 30 21:48:40 theres 33 replies Nov 30 21:48:44 so it will be heavy going Nov 30 21:48:52 lcuk: Don't have time for Brainstorm Nov 30 21:48:53 it needs a proper brainstorm linking with it Nov 30 21:49:07 nhg its not the gstreamer stuff from ti directly Nov 30 21:49:14 dieg, your frustration is understandable, but that's what warranty is for Nov 30 21:49:21 woglinde: do you know if its gst-dsp or gst-openmax? Nov 30 21:49:36 nhg hm wasnt sure Nov 30 21:49:36 as a customer, you shouldnt be left behind with a borken device Nov 30 21:49:39 dieg, if xterm workm your golden. The rest is just for commercials ;-) Nov 30 21:49:45 started with openmax Nov 30 21:49:46 dieg: there's always a failure rate with complicated devices such as the N900 Nov 30 21:49:54 and now seems gst-dsp is involved Nov 30 21:50:01 but I will google for you now Nov 30 21:50:01 qwerty12_N900, i just started writing a brainstorm thread myself but it was already there. Nov 30 21:50:11 And? Nov 30 21:50:13 i wouldv added to the signal/noise ratio myself Nov 30 21:50:37 * lcuk was just about to submit too lol Nov 30 21:50:42 pekuja, the failure rate must be near 0 in devices of such a HIGH cost Nov 30 21:50:42 as I understand gst-dsp is relatively new...so I wonder if its in the released N900 devices. Nov 30 21:50:51 dieg, impossible Nov 30 21:50:57 "Dell Defect Turning 2.2GHz CPU Into 100MHz CPU" Nov 30 21:51:03 nhg hm its side project Nov 30 21:51:31 so I assume N900 may be using all ARM codecs? Nov 30 21:51:34 Haha javispedro Nov 30 21:51:36 javispedro: It's for the people to live out their nostalgic feelings Nov 30 21:52:05 dieg: the problem is, while it is more expensive, it's also more complicated than most devices Nov 30 21:52:12 High failure rates drive UP costs. Nov 30 21:52:12 dieg, ask iPhone owners how high their failure rate is. ;) Nov 30 21:52:13 dieg: so there will be problems Nov 30 21:52:18 I am sure it's still faster than the N810 pushing video to screen =) Nov 30 21:52:23 nhg -> http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ Nov 30 21:52:27 dieg: also, if yours is the only one that's broken, that's still a pretty low failure rate Nov 30 21:52:28 mikhas, I simply can't believe that they didn't test the mic before shipping this device Nov 30 21:52:36 javispedro: Wow. Well played, sir Nov 30 21:52:39 they did Nov 30 21:52:50 it works just fine for many others here Nov 30 21:53:13 pekuja, only mine? I think you must know what you are talinkg about before talking Nov 30 21:53:23 but hardware issues are just that ... hardware issues. you could of course gamble on a software update if it is *not* hw. but why take that risk? Nov 30 21:53:35 hm something new on omap2 gles stuff? Nov 30 21:53:36 woglinde: thanks...have seen that link...but was wondering if N900 is actually using it. Nov 30 21:53:45 nhg not offical Nov 30 21:53:50 dieg: I don't, but neither do you. Nov 30 21:53:51 as far as I know Nov 30 21:53:59 dieg: I haven't heard of other cases like that. Nov 30 21:54:10 is there a good place where I can find out which codecs are using the DSP officially on N900? Nov 30 21:54:11 pekuja, .... Nov 30 21:54:26 pekuja, start reading: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075 Nov 30 21:54:26 "The problem can be substantially mitigated by pointing an external fan at the system." aah.. Nov 30 21:54:26 dieg: I'm saying you may be exaggarating the situation because your device is broken Nov 30 21:54:34 I wonder how much the battery will last in 100Mhz mode Nov 30 21:54:43 posted in the s/n thread for kathy Nov 30 21:54:57 even though if it's an overheating protection probably not much .. Nov 30 21:55:00 * brbrbr warmly greet anyone[except Xenu, maybe ;] Nov 30 21:55:00 pekuja, I repeat: start working and know what your are talking about Nov 30 21:56:10 dieg: start working? Nov 30 21:56:22 oh god Nov 30 21:56:38 lcuk: do you seriously want to do something in bcn about tmo's s/n ratio? Nov 30 21:56:46 * javispedro will have to remember to bring in the popcorn ;) Nov 30 21:56:48 no i just want to have a beer with kathy Nov 30 21:56:54 ah, that's better :) Nov 30 21:56:54 javispedro: Does your idea involve guns? Nov 30 21:57:09 guns? WMD! Nov 30 21:57:18 if we can do it in an official capacity with an agenda perhaps one of hte nokians present will put bartab on them lol Nov 30 21:57:23 Target: Andre's house Nov 30 21:57:38 my idea (which I have not published yet) involves stricter moderation with an official set of etiquette rules Nov 30 21:57:57 like, an Oct2009er cannot insult a preJun2009er. Nov 30 21:58:00 i think offtopic posters should have an omg pinies theme locked on their talk pages Nov 30 21:58:06 it was discussed for trolls on slashdot Nov 30 21:58:06 andre__: Thank you :) Nov 30 21:58:11 omg ponies Nov 30 21:58:14 gah Nov 30 21:58:17 mwahaha Nov 30 21:58:20 qwerty12_N900, my house, again? good that I'm in the office currently :) Nov 30 21:58:39 how is the bugmaster dealing with the flies, andre__? Nov 30 21:58:51 qwerty12_N900 / lcuk : so um... i've updated my translation packages Nov 30 21:58:57 eh, wrong channel I guess =p Nov 30 21:59:08 mikhas: all eaten. where are you by the way? on holidays? yeah, probably wrong channel ;-) Nov 30 21:59:10 sadly the versioning stuff is kinda bad, if you guys could pull in the package updates that'd be great :) Nov 30 21:59:21 * sp3000 enjoys the charging magic aspect of the mic thread Nov 30 21:59:30 lcuk, daily cleansing of the forum db, how is that? at least no one could say you're censoring Nov 30 21:59:38 * timeless_mbp goes back to looking at clock Nov 30 21:59:45 GeneralAntilles: btw, the clock app is awesome in the build i have Nov 30 21:59:52 i believe it's the same in the build you have Nov 30 22:00:03 mikhas, i dont like censorship, if a person wants to read every single line of text writter there great Nov 30 22:00:12 but there should be a way for posts to be moderated Nov 30 22:00:23 Finally, Midori shows up in apt and on maemo.org Nov 30 22:00:24 it seems that roughly all of the the cities in continental North America north of Tijuana/Miami are misplaced Nov 30 22:00:25 and to show only the highest by default :) Nov 30 22:00:35 "thanks" is a good one Nov 30 22:00:39 i think any tmo s/n plan should base on allowing each user to select the forums he wants to select for the "active topics" view Nov 30 22:00:44 there might need to be a filtered area if we are aexpected to read it, yeah Nov 30 22:00:45 the default fora view might only show thanked entries Nov 30 22:00:47 and enforcing proper subforum separation Nov 30 22:00:59 like, no idiots posts in development forums Nov 30 22:00:59 that would improve the s/n drastically Nov 30 22:01:02 for random viewers Nov 30 22:01:27 logged in users can switch to view all etc Nov 30 22:01:32 and join in the live conversation Nov 30 22:01:38 lcuk: or rated 3 stars or more by people who have a positive t/p ratio Nov 30 22:01:45 no Nov 30 22:01:50 that needs new options and db stuff Nov 30 22:01:57 kalikiana: Say hi to hash error Nov 30 22:02:00 we have thanks that works Nov 30 22:02:01 well, so what you want is so.com? Nov 30 22:02:01 the slashdot system has a problem though, it tends to promote "spectacular" posts instead of "right" wrongs Nov 30 22:02:03 dieg: a forum thread is hardly a statistic. I don't think anyone not handling returns or repairs knows what the failure rate is really like. This sort of thing happens with most new high-tech devices at the beginning. It does suck. I hope I don't get that problem, and I hope you can get a new one promptly. Nov 30 22:02:08 s/wrongs/ones Nov 30 22:02:14 javispedro, it would happen everywhere Nov 30 22:02:17 by popular vote Nov 30 22:02:24 qwerty12_N900, hash error? Nov 30 22:02:32 sure, but thats therefore our jobs as thankers Nov 30 22:02:41 to mark good quality items Nov 30 22:02:46 which we seem to do Nov 30 22:02:53 the thread ranking isnt worth it Nov 30 22:02:59 cos thats for the overall thread Nov 30 22:03:13 nd doesnt relaly give much knowledge of whats inside Nov 30 22:03:19 kalikiana: "No Hash entry in Release file..." Basically, as per-usual, extras-devel has messed up Nov 30 22:03:19 qwerty12_N900, you mean it took long because it had a wrong checksum? Nov 30 22:03:25 oh Nov 30 22:03:33 it's too late for tmo, save yourselves! Nov 30 22:03:42 no its not Nov 30 22:03:44 hahaha Nov 30 22:03:53 i would be really interested to see a quick test on the thanked view Nov 30 22:04:09 the data exists Nov 30 22:04:15 and we would know if it would work Nov 30 22:04:20 for a general outsiders view on the forums Nov 30 22:04:31 My free n900's mic works. Nov 30 22:04:43 * SpeedEvil checks bank account again to see if they've unscrewed it. Nov 30 22:04:50 theory: the mic doesnt work if you have to pay for your n900? Nov 30 22:05:13 overruled. i paid with blood Nov 30 22:05:18 and my mic still works Nov 30 22:05:35 perhaps that does the trick, yeah. did you give your soul, too? Nov 30 22:05:49 SpeedEvil: you got yours already? Nov 30 22:06:07 nope. Nov 30 22:06:08 lcuk hasnt a soul at all Nov 30 22:06:12 *g* Nov 30 22:06:23 not after you destroyed it with packaging Nov 30 22:06:26 andre__: "Note to Andre: Drop your non-public Nokia stuff here" - so, like, where is it? :P Nov 30 22:07:15 javispedro: yes. Ordered on the 20th of oct, they took money on the 23rd of nov, it arrived on the 30th (today) - and they put the money back. Nov 30 22:07:29 Which was a little odd. Nov 30 22:07:37 one shouldn't worry about that. Nov 30 22:07:44 they'll get the money one way of the other Nov 30 22:07:49 yeah Nov 30 22:08:01 qwerty12_N900, in my pocket. But it's useless to publish it as it only makes sense for people with access to the internal database anyway... Nov 30 22:08:11 They have the right to come in and take it if I don't pay. (reading the website T&Cs :) Nov 30 22:08:16 qwerty12_N900, you actually read code? no other hobbies, eh? ;-) Nov 30 22:08:47 andre__: Oh, I read it, I just don't promise to understand it =) Nov 30 22:09:03 andre__: reading code of others is good for learning Nov 30 22:09:11 qwerty12_N900, I have the same problem here, I simply don't get my code ;-) Nov 30 22:09:36 I think the word "dealbreaker" should be erased from the English language Nov 30 22:09:43 * javispedro remembers the celerity (hours) of his uni to collect money when grants expire, and the slowness (years) to return the money when grants are renewed Nov 30 22:11:07 Hi Nov 30 22:11:28 ih Nov 30 22:11:43 that shapeshifter, would be a dealbreaker Nov 30 22:11:47 Does maeno use a stripdown Xserver Nov 30 22:12:10 what windowing system does it use? Nov 30 22:12:28 X Nov 30 22:12:45 Vink_: just complete X11 Nov 30 22:12:47 xorg Nov 30 22:13:00 as opposed to xfree86 Nov 30 22:13:16 isn't that too heavy/ big for phone devices Nov 30 22:13:24 does the phone appear slow/ Nov 30 22:13:24 Vink_: This is not a phone. Nov 30 22:13:28 ? Nov 30 22:13:29 its super smooth Nov 30 22:13:33 is a mid Nov 30 22:13:34 Vink_: It's a cutting edge desktop system of 10 years ago. Nov 30 22:13:47 ugh i found something annoying Nov 30 22:13:49 N900 ? Nov 30 22:13:49 hey, I find that a great definition actually :) Nov 30 22:13:49 Vink_: x11 did run on old 386 cpus with 33mhz Nov 30 22:13:59 i'm calling a US 1 877 number Nov 30 22:14:01 with skype Nov 30 22:14:03 on the n900 Nov 30 22:14:04 I know its a debian derived Nov 30 22:14:08 and it doesn't support dtmf dialpad Nov 30 22:14:15 when it asks you "press 1 for your mom press 2 for your arse" etc Nov 30 22:14:27 this thing is the greatest fone ever. Just got my n900 Nov 30 22:14:29 maemo 5? Nov 30 22:14:40 aSIMULAtor: that's supposed to be fixed in a later service release Nov 30 22:14:51 find someone who has a vpn and grab an updated version :) Nov 30 22:14:59 which release? Nov 30 22:15:03 but beware of downgrade issues on the cellmo Nov 30 22:15:09 um, good question Nov 30 22:15:15 dunno Nov 30 22:15:18 "Ability to connect with ones' arse, fixed for aSIMULAtor" Nov 30 22:15:29 ohhhhhh i'm soooooooooo pissed Nov 30 22:15:32 i ordered some clothes Nov 30 22:15:37 and they cancelled my friggin order Nov 30 22:15:46 this is how people feel with n900s, aSIMULAtor Nov 30 22:15:49 who would cancel an order for clothes? Nov 30 22:15:56 and why? Nov 30 22:15:58 pacsun.com Nov 30 22:16:08 ok i tried to order first with my cc, and get it shipped to my parents in california Nov 30 22:16:11 and they were like FAIL Nov 30 22:16:17 then i called my sister and asked for her cc Nov 30 22:16:24 and i used it to order, then get it shipped to hers Nov 30 22:16:32 and cause i ordered from an IP address outside of the US Nov 30 22:16:34 they cancelled the order Nov 30 22:16:39 so now i'm going to bitch at them for being pricks Nov 30 22:16:41 and PWN THEM Nov 30 22:16:45 hihi Nov 30 22:16:50 like you did that one time to elisa customer service :D Nov 30 22:16:55 ahha that was great fun Nov 30 22:17:03 one of the highlights of the year 2009 Nov 30 22:17:15 intresting year? Nov 30 22:17:16 heh Nov 30 22:17:34 we still talk about it Nov 30 22:17:35 i see aSIMULAtor has had a funpacked year :p Nov 30 22:17:41 oh yeah totally Nov 30 22:17:54 it's just refreshing though to hear an american pwn finnish customer service Nov 30 22:17:57 i did that last week Nov 30 22:18:12 i complained about the drivers license theory test Nov 30 22:18:16 and the english Nov 30 22:18:19 like WTF OK Nov 30 22:18:24 tell me if u guys know what "dipped headlights" are Nov 30 22:18:25 * lcuk throws lighter across the room gruffly Nov 30 22:18:30 what is the Desktop Environment on N900? Nov 30 22:18:38 Vink_: um, undefined? Nov 30 22:18:46 * frals stops lurking and heads back to the endless fun of Java RMI Nov 30 22:18:47 we don't have Gnome or KDE Nov 30 22:18:57 we use clutter as a window magic system Nov 30 22:18:59 and gtk apps Nov 30 22:19:00 frals hehe Nov 30 22:19:05 frals dhcp Nov 30 22:19:27 with qt apps in the future Nov 30 22:19:38 and everything in between Nov 30 22:19:40 well in the present to some extent... Nov 30 22:19:41 :) Nov 30 22:19:44 timeless_mbp, Hildon. ;) Nov 30 22:19:52 err yeah, um hildon Nov 30 22:20:54 *hildon-desktop :) Nov 30 22:21:16 hildon-home, hildon-status-menu =) Nov 30 22:21:21 there's a Plasma shell being worked on too (in kde not nokia, of course) Nov 30 22:21:27 hildon-desktop is the wm, but the whole DE should be "hildon" Nov 30 22:21:37 * timeless_mbp shrugs Nov 30 22:21:43 how much space, do ppl typically have left on root (df -h), i have about 44MB Nov 30 22:21:54 it's simpler to say "there isn't a DE like the DEs you know, so stop dreaming in desktop terms, this isn't a desktop" Nov 30 22:22:03 how much is the memory footprint with all the stuff: clutter, full X11 on the Nokia 900 Nov 30 22:22:05 javispedro: TBH, I always think of the widgets when I hear "Hildon" Nov 30 22:22:06 kynky: seems about right Nov 30 22:22:07 VDVsx, no, just Hildon. Nov 30 22:22:12 62M at the momemt Nov 30 22:22:28 so if isn't a desktop and it isn't a phone, what's that thing everyone's talking about? Nov 30 22:22:34 i have 67 atm on my newly flashed n900 Nov 30 22:22:49 Vink_: typically a thirdish of RAM in use it looks like. Nov 30 22:23:01 Vink_: minus buffers, cache Nov 30 22:23:06 GeneralAntilles, yeah, he asked for the DE not the wm :P Nov 30 22:23:38 VDVsx, yes, Hildon is the DE. Nov 30 22:23:57 SpeedEvil, do you have any wiki link etc that consolidates all this? Nov 30 22:24:11 Vink_: No. wiki.maemo.org may be worth a loo Nov 30 22:24:15 look Nov 30 22:24:19 * timeless_mbp cries Nov 30 22:24:28 * timeless_mbp must have broken the clock Nov 30 22:24:33 uh Nov 30 22:24:36 * VDVsx doesn't likes hildon, very much :P Nov 30 22:24:41 another n900 goes down Nov 30 22:24:46 timeless: You made it true to your name? Nov 30 22:24:57 VDVsx: Just get KDE working on it. Nov 30 22:24:59 timeless_mbp: back from the future? :) Nov 30 22:25:02 qwerty12_N900: give n900 Nov 30 22:25:23 * hardaker yells "yippie" and begins to open box Nov 30 22:25:26 _still not in store_ Nov 30 22:25:27 Ceron^: Sword fight! (*shoots Ceron^*) Nov 30 22:25:28 SpeedEvil, buhhhh Nov 30 22:25:37 ;) Nov 30 22:26:00 qwerty12_N900: unfair Nov 30 22:26:09 cheers Nov 30 22:26:25 Ceron^: I'm just teaching you one of life's rules Nov 30 22:26:36 I have a omap evm board, will it work on that board Nov 30 22:26:51 512 MB ram, 512 nand Nov 30 22:27:00 SpeedEvil, I like the 'apparency' of the system, don't like hildon as a dev 'framework' (from a dev POV) Nov 30 22:27:13 Vink_: Nov 30 22:27:13 ~mer Nov 30 22:27:18 i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Nov 30 22:27:31 VDVsx, the WM is Matchbox2 Nov 30 22:27:36 or, maybe, http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project Nov 30 22:27:43 hey Stskeeps im sure you are on a commission for those guys :p Nov 30 22:27:44 gotta say q3a arena runs alot better than i thought it would Nov 30 22:27:52 lcuk: damn straight Nov 30 22:27:53 :P Nov 30 22:27:59 kynky: are there sane conrols for it? Nov 30 22:28:09 controls Nov 30 22:28:17 moo-_-, i was surprised how easy it was to play Nov 30 22:28:24 * lcuk keeps ctrl c'ing irc Nov 30 22:28:27 hope it doenst break it Nov 30 22:28:38 kynky: against bots? :) Nov 30 22:28:42 GeneralAntilles, afaik is a very modified version of matchbox, a derivate Nov 30 22:28:56 accelerometer for moving, proximity sensor for fire, can use cursor keys for move and touch screen for look Nov 30 22:28:58 Well, sure, but it's sure not Hildon. :P Nov 30 22:29:13 moo-_-, played on internet and single player Nov 30 22:29:16 ah. very nice trick with proximity sensor. Nov 30 22:29:26 kynky: is proximity sensor "analog control" Nov 30 22:29:31 i.e. it has linear response? Nov 30 22:29:35 its just fire Nov 30 22:29:41 GeneralAntilles, well, they name it hildon-desktop Nov 30 22:29:45 afaict Nov 30 22:29:50 VDVsx, libmatchbox2 Nov 30 22:30:35 is quake 2 (whatever it was called on previous maemo versions) ported to fremantle btw? Nov 30 22:30:41 N900 owner: what does groups return? Nov 30 22:32:05 @Stskeeps, I already have ubuntu running on my arm board Cortex A9 Nov 30 22:32:08 * lcuk curses c for forcing ; Nov 30 22:32:09 groups Nov 30 22:32:09 sh: groups: not found Nov 30 22:32:24 Vink_: then it's an easy step up Nov 30 22:32:50 yes, I though so, havent tried yet Nov 30 22:32:57 GeneralAntilles, "Hildon desktop, the window manager, application launcher and switcher program." Nov 30 22:34:01 were you able to run maemo 5 on the omap board then? Nov 30 22:34:22 and yes, it uses matchbox as a base, afaik Nov 30 22:34:30 Vink_: on zoom2 and beagle so far. there's a bug with newest SDK though Nov 30 22:34:44 oh bollocks Nov 30 22:35:10 i wrote a function which is deep in the system and it does a very nice thing, but now i need to change the functionality of it and its gonna be annoying Nov 30 22:35:12 oh cool, let me try on my zoom2 board Nov 30 22:35:33 lcuk: No pain, no gain Nov 30 22:35:34 Vink_: bug meaning it won't make a booting X right now until we fix the sgx patch for the kernel Nov 30 22:36:25 oh, then its no good Nov 30 22:36:39 Vink_: give us a week and it should be better Nov 30 22:36:40 curious, github isnt indexed properly by google Nov 30 22:36:41 when is it expected to be patched? Nov 30 22:36:45 Stskeeps: did you get any reply btw? Nov 30 22:36:57 lardman: none yet Nov 30 22:37:12 ok Nov 30 22:38:02 I have the Nvidia Tegra 2 Nov 30 22:38:15 any hopes of running on that? Nov 30 22:38:35 what instruction set is that? Nov 30 22:38:50 dual cortex a9? Nov 30 22:38:59 for Mer, sure, not sure about m5 Nov 30 22:39:30 yes, dual cortex A9 Nov 30 22:39:43 I have the beta board Nov 30 22:39:53 mer needs a working kernel and a Xorg, and even better if gles2 exists Nov 30 22:39:54 :P Nov 30 22:41:40 huh Nov 30 22:42:37 mmcb1k0p1 being a vfat is *bad* Nov 30 22:42:57 i couldn't even put Sky Blue 720p rip on it :/ Nov 30 22:43:11 Ew Tegra Nov 30 22:43:34 arachnist, it doesn't really playback 720p anyway. Nov 30 22:43:50 well, mplayer complains Nov 30 22:43:54 hmm, just realised I broke portrait mode in mbarcode, time to fire up the Linux box and get fixing Nov 30 22:43:55 bbiam Nov 30 22:44:31 what hardware does N900 use? Nov 30 22:44:44 omap3 Nov 30 22:44:46 Vink_, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Nov 30 22:44:47 OMAP3430 Nov 30 22:47:19 omap zoom2 board has the same specs Nov 30 22:47:30 timeless_mbp, poke Nov 30 22:47:43 counter poke Nov 30 22:47:57 dumbass question: Why doesn't X work on omap zoom 2? Nov 30 22:48:17 so, that Nokia dev says my code shouldn't work, but it does Nov 30 22:48:27 which leaves me vaguely confused Nov 30 22:48:56 Vink_: in our port? simple, in the last SDK update they suddenly updated the SGX module in kernel on us :) Nov 30 22:49:11 * timeless_mbp shrugs Nov 30 22:49:15 he said that the bt_ui code uses unicast DBus signals, which he said are nonstandard Nov 30 22:49:29 and that I'd have to use libdbus directly Nov 30 22:49:39 but it works Nov 30 22:49:39 huh Nov 30 22:53:08 is maemo5 capable of running on another embedded system as long as its arm cortex? Nov 30 22:53:59 Tyrant91101: eh? Nov 30 22:54:15 can't find where it talks about testing and what can reset the tests. Is it uploading a new version to extras-devel or promoting a new version to testing? Nov 30 22:54:23 Tyrant91101: i believe not Nov 30 22:54:32 there are more in hw than just cpu Nov 30 22:54:36 and chipset Nov 30 22:54:43 ~mer Nov 30 22:54:45 mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Nov 30 22:54:46 moo-_-: what do you mean? Nov 30 22:54:50 err Nov 30 22:55:02 Well I mean given that the drivers/apps are updated for whatever the other hardware is Nov 30 22:55:03 Tyrant91101: so.... maemo5 is kinda lots of things to lots of people Nov 30 22:55:17 hypothetically someone w/ full source access could port it to another arm device Nov 30 22:55:36 if the screen is 2px by 2px Nov 30 22:55:40 then no, maemo5 won't work there Nov 30 22:55:45 Tyrant91101: if you want complete open start point, try openmoko and openembedded Nov 30 22:55:48 and if it's 2million px by 2million px Nov 30 22:55:53 timeless, but we could make a disco app for it Nov 30 22:55:57 they have been succefully ported Nov 30 22:55:57 then maemo5 will probably not work well there Nov 30 22:56:18 wow timeless what would oyu fill a 2million*2million display with Nov 30 22:56:23 * lcuk has ideas Nov 30 22:56:26 liqbase, of course Nov 30 22:56:31 lcuk: i don't want to know Nov 30 22:56:46 Where would you get a bus that can send data fast enough Nov 30 22:56:47 :D Stskeeps Nov 30 22:57:03 Tyrant91101, collaborative networked machines of course Nov 30 22:57:16 each one just another brick in the wall Nov 30 22:57:44 You mean corraborative controllers and seperate lcd panels? Nov 30 22:57:53 * lcuk ponders holymoly2 Nov 30 22:58:00 Tyrant91101, whatever is practical Nov 30 22:58:17 i dont think a 2 terapixel display is practical period :P Nov 30 22:58:21 Tyrant91101, the n900 is nice and brick sized Nov 30 22:58:39 Tyrant91101, it really depends on what you want on the display Nov 30 22:58:57 if you had an array of 100*100 N900s and they were showing a small piece of the same puzzle Nov 30 22:59:02 can one only have a single DBus callback in a given application? Nov 30 22:59:30 or could I have e.g. one to handle messages sent to org.maemo.mbarcode and another for orientation messages? Nov 30 22:59:52 lcuk: A 1048560x1048560 Theora stream, of course. Nov 30 22:59:55 roughly how much time does it take to port to other arm devices? Nov 30 22:59:59 The largest the standard allows. Nov 30 23:00:08 ARM not that long Nov 30 23:00:13 They share common architectures Nov 30 23:00:15 Hypermega HD Nov 30 23:00:30 lardman, whn you register for signals dont they all come in the same osso port thiny Nov 30 23:00:37 ie i dont think you can break em up Nov 30 23:00:43 derf, problem there is bandwidth Nov 30 23:00:56 lcuk: dunno, my two callbacks have different formats Nov 30 23:01:00 you need to get the data to all machines at the same time Nov 30 23:01:10 lcuk: That's always going to be a problem with that kind of display. Nov 30 23:01:15 lcuk: if it's not real-time you can cache the stream locally before starting show video synchronously Nov 30 23:01:16 derf not really Nov 30 23:01:33 you cant cache realistically a movie over 10000 machines Nov 30 23:01:58 lcuk: oh yes.... facebook et. al. do even trickier massive data sharding :) Nov 30 23:02:11 cache just a local piece of it Nov 30 23:02:18 lardman, i thought each specific callback was its own function anyway Nov 30 23:03:03 moo-_-, think of the delivery system required to get the right parts of the movies to the right screens at the right time for such a system Nov 30 23:04:12 but if you considered rendering a fractal scene Nov 30 23:04:24 just sending out the coordinates from 1 machine to say zoom to this area Nov 30 23:04:32 each machine could act on its own with low bandwidth Nov 30 23:04:39 and display a live interactive view Nov 30 23:05:12 and that would scale on n8x0 class hardware upto as far as the networking would allow Nov 30 23:06:13 lardman: There are glib bindings for dbus that can handle dispatching callbacks for you appropriately. Nov 30 23:06:20 But back on the N800, at least, these were totally broken. Nov 30 23:06:48 I don't know if there's a newer version of dbus on newer tablets that fixes them. Nov 30 23:07:14 I'm mixing libosso rpc stuff, which is in the wiki for how to handle orientation changes, with a general DBus callback handler for messages to my app, and wondering if the latter is stealing the former's messages Nov 30 23:08:29 ah well #dbus wasn't much help, just told me to ask in here Nov 30 23:08:35 Hah. Nov 30 23:09:12 perhaps I asked the wrong thing, oh well Nov 30 23:09:36 Well, there's always dbus_bus_get_private(). Nov 30 23:09:56 Which lets you get separate connections. But that seems excessive. Nov 30 23:10:37 Am just trying to find the libosso code to see what the rpc* functions actually do with the DBus bus Nov 30 23:11:54 if anyone can give me a hint as to where on Earth it lives, that would be useful Nov 30 23:12:00 gitorious I guess? Nov 30 23:12:39 yes, hildon desktop Nov 30 23:14:05 http://performous.org/ Nov 30 23:14:25 thanks Stskeeps Nov 30 23:16:02 here's the plan: screw the standard / which is smaller than what my other arm toy has, put / on /dev/mmcblk0p2 (which is 2GB in size), put /home on /dev/mmcblk0p1 (which is 27GB) in size, dispose of the ability to use the device as a pendrive. Nov 30 23:16:32 what happened to extras-devel repository Nov 30 23:16:42 still there or ei Nov 30 23:16:54 aSIMULAtor: bunch of stuff was removed from it, especially emulators Nov 30 23:17:21 aSIMULAtor emails sounded it is fixed Nov 30 23:17:41 aSIMULAtor: technical error in repo updating i think Nov 30 23:18:14 ok cheers Nov 30 23:20:14 "receiving multiple calls at the same time through multiple voice, sip, or skype services" and someone on tmo says "it's a very basic problem" Nov 30 23:20:20 * javispedro sighs Nov 30 23:20:26 lol Nov 30 23:20:47 I hope he was being sarcastic.. Nov 30 23:21:12 the problem being that you let yourself into a situation where you have to handle multiple calls at the same time? Nov 30 23:21:45 the "dealbreaker" being that the n900 doesn't seem to handle this (rather uncommon IMHO) situation gracefully Nov 30 23:22:29 dealer? Nov 30 23:22:30 why is it different to call waiting? Nov 30 23:23:05 javispedro: clearly he's someone who can talk through his arse... :D Nov 30 23:23:11 ok, so it looks like it adds callbacks for both the system and session buses Nov 30 23:23:28 as long as the n900 gives you the option to either put a current call or the incoming call on hold, or it goes to voice mail directly when you are on the phone, I don't see the big deal Nov 30 23:24:24 such rare use cases Nov 30 23:24:46 only time I've run into it is when a call drops and both of us call each other at the same time Nov 30 23:24:53 I'll see an incoming call from the person I'm calling Nov 30 23:26:05 just buy multiple devices Nov 30 23:26:15 you were born with 2 ears, use them Nov 30 23:26:39 or could you get stereo bt headsets Nov 30 23:26:43 * aSIMULAtor is thankfully not so important that she gets multiple calls at a time Nov 30 23:26:45 actually, strike all that Nov 30 23:27:01 well, can't you put one call on hold and answer another? Nov 30 23:27:08 i dunno Nov 30 23:27:21 ive never in my existence ever had more than one caller o nthe line at a time Nov 30 23:27:22 I suppose that's what is causing the hoopla in t.m.o Nov 30 23:27:25 yes Nov 30 23:27:39 they usually get an engaged tone Nov 30 23:27:49 taking multiple calls is like toilet stall sharing Nov 30 23:27:52 I have two phones Nov 30 23:27:53 for men Nov 30 23:27:54 actually, his case is that google voice is replicating the _same_ call over the three services (gsm, sip, skype) Nov 30 23:28:19 thus the service is choosen on a First Come First Served basis. Nov 30 23:28:36 javispedro: ahh, I hadn't read the thread. that's just silly Nov 30 23:28:37 lcuk, lol Nov 30 23:29:17 just to confirm, N900 (maemo 5) uses full fledged X11 with clutter as the Windowing System and gtk (qt to come soon) apps Nov 30 23:29:21 am I right? Nov 30 23:29:28 yes Nov 30 23:29:30 that person should set up google voice to only send to his phone once Nov 30 23:29:43 lcuk, thanks Nov 30 23:29:45 vink qt is already there Nov 30 23:29:53 Vink_, to be fully integrated into the system, gtk apps need "hildonizing" Nov 30 23:30:11 which is the process of changing a couple of the UI widget classes and diddling with stuff Nov 30 23:30:13 vink but not the main widgetset Nov 30 23:30:16 but raw gtk works Nov 30 23:30:27 Vink_, you can even see the code of HildonDesktop on gitorious if you're curious Nov 30 23:30:32 * javispedro can't believe he has to argue that the n900 doesn't has usb host out of the box _again_ Nov 30 23:30:40 then dont Nov 30 23:30:41 and the memory footprint is ~62 M Nov 30 23:30:44 ? Nov 30 23:30:47 dunno Nov 30 23:30:53 * SpeedEvil needs to test that. (usb-host) Nov 30 23:30:55 is this for the wiki page you suggested Nov 30 23:30:59 or secret spy mission? Nov 30 23:31:00 anyone know if DBus callbacks consume the signals they are passed unless they return e.g. something other than OSSO_OK? Nov 30 23:31:03 Vink_: you have been answered before Nov 30 23:31:56 lardman, question doesnt quite parse Nov 30 23:32:26 Vink_: A freshly booted - and left for a couple of hours n900 has about 100M free. That is easily freeable RAM Nov 30 23:32:34 (buffers+cache) Nov 30 23:32:42 when you have a DBus signal/method callback, does any signal/message passed to the callback get destroyed if the callback returns e.g. OSSO_OK, rather than being passed onto the next handler Nov 30 23:32:59 lardman: in raw dbus, dbus_connection_add_filter's callbacks can choose to return DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_HANDLED or DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_NOT_YET_HANDLED Nov 30 23:33:16 won't probably help you in glib dbus, but :) Nov 30 23:33:17 hmm, ok Nov 30 23:33:25 Oh, ChristExaport. Nov 30 23:33:33 just wondering if osso_rpc handles my callback before I get to it Nov 30 23:33:36 or something Nov 30 23:33:40 handles my signal even Nov 30 23:34:02 You can monitor the bus, to see if they're sent at all. Nov 30 23:34:20 dbus-monitor Nov 30 23:34:34 I know they're sent, just wondering why my callback isn't being called since I added in a DBus callback Nov 30 23:35:01 Did you add a match rule for it? Nov 30 23:35:21 anyone heard anything bout "Forum Nokia and Maemo Marketing busy next week presenting developer opportunities next week in Paris, Mountain View, Stockholm and Barcelona"? only seen stuff about barcelona Nov 30 23:35:31 yeah, I have a match rule for the MCE orientation stuff, and a DBus dbus_connection_add_filter() Nov 30 23:35:35 that used to work Nov 30 23:35:57 before I added in this: result = osso_rpc_set_cb_f(appdata->osso, Nov 30 23:35:57 "org.maemo.mbarcode", Nov 30 23:35:57 "/org/maemo/mbarcode", Nov 30 23:35:57 "org.maemo.mbarcode", Nov 30 23:35:57 dbus_req_handler, NULL); Nov 30 23:37:54 it looks to me like the callback should ignore signals and only handle methods Nov 30 23:38:02 The built-in File manager not having root permissions and not browsing / is a "roadblock" . . . right. Nov 30 23:38:18 The anti-commandline mentality by supposed "hackers" is hilarious. Nov 30 23:40:30 lol Nov 30 23:42:30 GeneralAntilles, forget hackers Nov 30 23:42:57 anyone have the problem that when they try to update via application manager the update progress bar goes back to 0 and takes 15 mins Nov 30 23:43:02 imagine your mum idly browsing /usr/bin and taking a fancy to something Nov 30 23:44:14 ooo aSIMULAtor no Nov 30 23:44:19 but that sounds special Nov 30 23:44:25 * lcuk must vanish anyway Nov 30 23:44:30 im trying to get this working Nov 30 23:44:46 aSIMULAtor, what repos? Nov 30 23:44:59 extras Nov 30 23:45:05 extras testing Nov 30 23:45:27 Hrm, I updated about 40 minutes ago without issue. Nov 30 23:45:32 same Nov 30 23:45:35 it's my friend who's having problems Nov 30 23:45:44 Hrm Nov 30 23:45:49 Could be a local network issue. Nov 30 23:45:54 apt-get update in console? Nov 30 23:46:29 yeah probably a local network issue Nov 30 23:47:37 Alternatively, I guess h-a-m does have logs. Nov 30 23:53:05 then another friend is having problems with his wifi Nov 30 23:55:11 needs better RSS/browser workflow, for example browsers knowing where they were launched from, so back button auto-closes it (and goes back to a previous brose window, or back to a different app) Nov 30 23:56:05 so if RSS launches browser, then you look at side, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus Nov 30 23:56:13 s/side/site/ Nov 30 23:56:13 odin_ meant: so if RSS launches browser, then you look at site, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus Nov 30 23:57:23 Is there any tool that could help me troubleshoot wifi without root access? i'm pretty sure my wifi is non-functional as i haven't been able to even see any AP's two feet from a machine that can, let alone connect Nov 30 23:57:36 i can't get my root because i can't get wifi working Nov 30 23:58:21 copy deb via usb ? Nov 30 23:58:30 hmm, still not working with the DBus stuff gone Nov 30 23:59:03 maybe not a bad solution Nov 30 23:59:14 i said that in the other chan :P Nov 30 23:59:15 let me find rootsh in that form Nov 30 23:59:29 but a couple of hours ago Nov 30 23:59:35 does anyone have a link to the maemo.org wiki page about implementing orientation under Fremantle? Nov 30 23:59:37 other chan ? Nov 30 23:59:42 I can't seem to find it Nov 30 23:59:52 we're in another channel together Nov 30 23:59:53 oh, ust have been when i had my head into things Dec 01 00:01:42 lardman, the wiki is outdated! Dec 01 00:01:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Using_Fremantle_Widgets#Portrait_Mode Dec 01 00:02:07 * el_zilcho sighs Dec 01 00:02:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation is not what it seems Dec 01 00:02:21 el_zilcho, it has nothing at all showing Dec 01 00:02:25 thats curious too Dec 01 00:02:31 the chess ai on n900 is pretty good Dec 01 00:02:32 why are people bringing odd things out now Dec 01 00:02:47 lcuk: yeah I was also having troubles sifting through Dec 01 00:02:49 kynky, its running on faster hardware Dec 01 00:02:52 it will kick ur ass Dec 01 00:02:57 it only shows at&t's conn Dec 01 00:03:06 one sec Dec 01 00:03:10 installing rootsh.deb Dec 01 00:03:26 lcuk, been trying to beat it on easy =) Dec 01 00:03:40 yeah i noticed that problem lol Dec 01 00:03:52 * aSIMULAtor hangs head in shame if her friends' n900s don't work Dec 01 00:03:52 its a lot tougher than it was on n810. evolved Dec 01 00:04:04 aSIMULAtor, we do more than that Dec 01 00:04:11 you know oyur ninja training wasnt a waste Dec 01 00:04:15 your Dec 01 00:04:33 3 220.133.116.100: address not listed for hostname t888.com.tw Dec 01 00:04:35 i hate asia Dec 01 00:04:50 asia is a big place Dec 01 00:04:58 filled with the same types of people Dec 01 00:05:08 u mean chinky chongs? Dec 01 00:05:09 I've found the problem, interesting. Dec 01 00:05:24 aSIMULAtor: no. i mean people that just feel it is necessary to try to hack systems just for the sake of doing it Dec 01 00:05:35 there's no honor amongst hackers nowadays :) Dec 01 00:05:45 I was using this: appdata->con = dbus_g_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, &error); rather than this: appdata->con = osso_get_sys_dbus_connection(appdata->osso); on the recommendation of this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/SendVia_Functionality Dec 01 00:05:50 that was a mistake Dec 01 00:05:52 Are you trying to pretend there ever was? Dec 01 00:06:33 lardman, mistake in docs on wiki? Dec 01 00:06:36 or just from your head Dec 01 00:06:53 dunno really, not even sure what the docs are trying to achieve ;) Dec 01 00:07:09 bonus tho for gettin past that end of level nasty Dec 01 00:07:14 but looks like if you want osso_rpc, then don't ask for the system bus pointer directly Dec 01 00:07:55 aSIMULAtor, worst case for fixing n900, do reflash ? Dec 01 00:07:56 maemo development really is an MMORPG Dec 01 00:08:44 easy for me to reflash at work, not sure if that's a good suggestion to my friend Dec 01 00:09:17 aSIMULAtor, the system updater is available Dec 01 00:10:21 is there a debian field called conflicts? Dec 01 00:10:22 guys, don't mind my bot usage, I just want to show Archanamiya infobot, (we're writing a bot) Dec 01 00:10:31 ah Dec 01 00:10:35 ~seen Archanamiya Dec 01 00:10:38 archanamiya is currently on #maemo (46s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 7s, last said: 'ah'. Dec 01 00:10:43 :D Dec 01 00:10:47 :P Dec 01 00:10:50 ~seen b-man17 Dec 01 00:10:53 b-man17 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 4h 50m 13s ago, saying: 'hello, javispedro'. Dec 01 00:10:58 :) Dec 01 00:11:07 ~stab Archanamiya Dec 01 00:11:09 * infobot runs at Archanamiya with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Dec 01 00:11:09 lol Dec 01 00:11:13 o_O Dec 01 00:11:15 lol Dec 01 00:11:22 hmm Dec 01 00:11:31 what else Dec 01 00:11:31 Ok, so how am i supposed to install rootsh from a .deb when i don't have perms to run dpkg? Dec 01 00:11:35 lol Dec 01 00:11:48 ~poke Archanamiya Dec 01 00:11:49 that was a fun little endeavor Dec 01 00:11:51 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Archanamiya, pokes Archanamiya repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Dec 01 00:11:57 xDxDxD Dec 01 00:12:01 :P Dec 01 00:12:08 * el_zilcho tracks down the log to see who suggested it Dec 01 00:12:09 lol Dec 01 00:12:12 ~nuke Archanamiya Dec 01 00:12:14 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Archanamiya ... B☢☢M! Dec 01 00:12:22 el_zilcho, im showing Archanamiya infobot Dec 01 00:12:28 uh oh Dec 01 00:12:29 were writing a bot Dec 01 00:12:30 im screwed :P Dec 01 00:12:34 :P Dec 01 00:12:42 ~badbot Dec 01 00:12:51 ignored Dec 01 00:12:53 I think that was the command Dec 01 00:12:53 :P Dec 01 00:12:54 :P Dec 01 00:12:56 ~help Dec 01 00:13:03 xD ignored Dec 01 00:13:12 no Dec 01 00:13:14 it pmed me Dec 01 00:13:16 oh Dec 01 00:13:19 gotcha Dec 01 00:13:20 :) Dec 01 00:13:23 ~wtf Dec 01 00:13:35 ~wtf test Dec 01 00:13:37 test: test (1) - check file types and compare values Dec 01 00:13:43 hmm Dec 01 00:13:44 lol Dec 01 00:14:00 back to square one.... 1) can't connect via wifi, can't even see broadcastin, open ap 2) can't troubleshoot the issue because i don't have root 3) can't install rootsh from deb because of same permission issues Dec 01 00:14:20 brb Dec 01 00:14:34 im back Dec 01 00:14:42 k Dec 01 00:14:45 ok how about some other cmds Dec 01 00:14:45 that was fast Dec 01 00:14:48 lol Dec 01 00:14:48 k Dec 01 00:14:57 ~burn something Dec 01 00:14:59 * infobot pours gasoline all over something, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Dec 01 00:15:06 xnt14, take it to pm for now hes seen lots of it Dec 01 00:15:18 lcuk, infobot doesn't work over pm Dec 01 00:15:23 if you have access to your at&t connection can't you install rootsh via there and app manager? Dec 01 00:15:30 * xnt14 rereads the sentence Dec 01 00:15:30 improvise Dec 01 00:15:32 oh xD Dec 01 00:15:49 ~join #projectnini Dec 01 00:16:00 or find a chan with him in thats not busy Dec 01 00:16:04 I don't think it'll let me fo that Dec 01 00:16:08 *do Dec 01 00:16:12 hm Dec 01 00:16:17 ok lol Dec 01 00:16:28 now how to render these .ass subs to a video and re-encode for n900.. Dec 01 00:16:30 el_zilcho, has it done this always Dec 01 00:17:06 i just got it today... screw it... i should probably just get on the line with customer support instead of trying to troubleshoot it myself... Dec 01 00:17:32 what..amazon customer support? Dec 01 00:17:33 lol Dec 01 00:17:37 i probably could use att to download the appropriate apps but i haven't turned on my data plan Dec 01 00:17:40 no, nokia Dec 01 00:17:47 no way, i doubt they can help you Dec 01 00:17:53 if anything i would think ppl in here would Dec 01 00:18:32 el_zilcho, on a hunch, take out the sim and see what happens Dec 01 00:18:47 will do Dec 01 00:19:39 has anyone found a low-bandwidth site which streams the twitter-like comments from the rugby? Dec 01 00:20:36 same goes for the cricket for that matter, thinking to the future Dec 01 00:20:43 irc Dec 01 00:20:50 like the bbc.co.uk ones, if anyone has ever seen them Dec 01 00:21:02 is there a dedicated irc channel? Dec 01 00:21:04 why cant you use the bbc Dec 01 00:21:16 the page is heavy Dec 01 00:21:17 there should be live irc chans for all sorts of events :) Dec 01 00:21:26 and a cleve irc client to pluck out the data Dec 01 00:21:31 and give easy clickable links ;) Dec 01 00:21:41 of everything, like isbn numbers and stuff Dec 01 00:21:42 lardman: transcript live of radio 5? Dec 01 00:21:47 have infobot do that Dec 01 00:21:56 SpeedEvil: does that exist somewhere? Dec 01 00:22:01 lardman: dunno Dec 01 00:22:07 not sure I need that level of waffle though Dec 01 00:22:22 otherwise I'd just listen to it online Dec 01 00:22:33 well try over a 3G connection anyway Dec 01 00:22:38 lardman: see http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Dec 01 00:22:39 so far no good, but we'll see... soon as it came back up, i nudged to see the internet connection by the clock and it scanned and updated with nothing... settings, internet, connections, new, scan also shows nothing with or without sim card in... so i guess its fubar Dec 01 00:23:06 and there are connections nearby Dec 01 00:23:09 that are strong etc Dec 01 00:23:40 is there any other functionality that would be expected to fail if the wifi failed? like bluetooth or anything? i'm 10 feet from my router which i switched to broadcast essid and no encryption Dec 01 00:24:32 el_zilcho, i wouldnt know, wifi has been the most rock solid components in the entire time ive mucked with device Dec 01 00:24:43 GeneralAntilles: ping Dec 01 00:24:49 ie, ive never had probs with it and never heard of others rly Dec 01 00:24:50 have you tried using the clock? Dec 01 00:24:54 Baltimore is amusing Dec 01 00:25:03 timeless: u know of any issues with wifi? Dec 01 00:25:09 aSIMULAtor: um... Dec 01 00:25:10 lol, ok... just thought if it was hardware related issue that maybe some other rf based stuff might not work Dec 01 00:25:12 my friend is having problems connecting his device Dec 01 00:25:15 anyways Dec 01 00:25:16 define issues Dec 01 00:25:27 failure to see any APs Dec 01 00:25:30 is the network WPS, WPA, WEP, Open, WPA2? Dec 01 00:25:41 [02:14am] back to square one.... 1) can't connect via wifi, can't even see broadcastin, open ap 2) can't troubleshoot the issue because i don't have root 3) can't install rootsh from deb because of same permission issues Dec 01 00:25:56 um Dec 01 00:26:00 3 is solvable Dec 01 00:26:05 open and broadcasting... two locations it fails to see any APs whatsoever with another machine in the vicinity clearly reading its presence Dec 01 00:26:09 he can enable red pill moe Dec 01 00:26:10 mode Dec 01 00:26:14 its el_zilcho, i'm 10 feet from my router which i switched to broadcast essid and no encryption Dec 01 00:26:18 and use install from file to install the deb Dec 01 00:26:26 assuming he can download the .deb some other way Dec 01 00:26:33 (please excuse gender on friend) Dec 01 00:26:42 it's a he Dec 01 00:26:43 * timeless_mbp presumes el = spanish male Dec 01 00:26:43 I can't install rootsh from deb because i don't have root access Dec 01 00:26:44 he's a he Dec 01 00:26:45 :P Dec 01 00:26:46 funny, eh? Dec 01 00:26:52 el_zilcho: see above Dec 01 00:27:00 how do you enable red pill mode? Dec 01 00:27:15 r&d? Dec 01 00:27:20 el_zilcho, WHAT TYPE OF ap IS IT Dec 01 00:27:21 1. open app manager Dec 01 00:27:22 i know you press some top corner in application manager Dec 01 00:27:25 2. tap the title area Dec 01 00:27:28 A/B/N/X/ABC Dec 01 00:27:33 3. tap catalog(ue)s Dec 01 00:27:35 -caps Dec 01 00:27:36 4. tap new Dec 01 00:27:43 5. change the url to 'matrix' Dec 01 00:27:46 6. tap outside the dialog Dec 01 00:27:51 7. select the red pill Dec 01 00:27:54 ty Dec 01 00:28:10 8. tap the title again and use install from file Dec 01 00:29:03 * Xisdibik wishes there were more steps so he could read timeless_mbp's sentences more Dec 01 00:29:07 * aSIMULAtor should be going to sleep but wants to make sure zero's device works :P Dec 01 00:29:28 Xisdibik: i have roughly 150 blog entries Dec 01 00:29:30 go read them Dec 01 00:29:33 big disclaimer follows for other ppl seeing how to enable red pill mode Dec 01 00:29:41 but its so good to get a live irc recital Dec 01 00:29:43 yeah, "don't do it" Dec 01 00:30:02 if you think you need red pill mode, you're *probably* doing something wrong Dec 01 00:30:17 el_zilcho: once you've installed rootsh, repeat the process and select the blue pill Dec 01 00:30:42 el_zilcho: technically you could have created a local repo and pointed to that :) Dec 01 00:30:57 ah, the genius of it, and you can even use mbarcode to open your favourite rugby wap site :) Dec 01 00:31:08 or run the .install file ? Dec 01 00:31:20 lardman +1 Dec 01 00:31:24 feature creep :D Dec 01 00:31:27 .install files don't tend to work well w/o a working network :) Dec 01 00:31:30 timeless_mbp: blogs just arnt the same ;) Dec 01 00:31:31 aSIMULAtor: You can go to bed then. ;) Dec 01 00:31:36 will do, ty Dec 01 00:31:38 haha Dec 01 00:31:39 zero :) Dec 01 00:31:41 nite Dec 01 00:31:53 no i'll irc from bed :P Dec 01 00:32:05 now chuang's having problem with his device Dec 01 00:32:06 el_zilcho: Turn down your power saving as well. Might make a difference. Dec 01 00:32:07 wtf is up Dec 01 00:32:13 lcuk: I've added the ability to encode install files in QR codes and therefore hopefully install them from a picture :) Dec 01 00:32:18 oh yeah, lol thought you could use .install over usb, but obviously that connects out to net, hence local rep quip :) Dec 01 00:32:59 lardman, that would work really well combined with timelesses dynamic repo and a tiny web server on device Dec 01 00:33:02 zerojay: i guess we caught each other on irc :P Dec 01 00:33:16 like i said at the summit, installing files by word of mouth would be cool Dec 01 00:33:35 but it breaks all kinds of protocols for extras and stuff Dec 01 00:33:35 lcuk: well no need for a webserver on device, otherwise the camera can't see the barcode Dec 01 00:33:40 it owuld be a wicked idea Dec 01 00:33:59 webserver has nothign to do with the camera Dec 01 00:34:03 your barcode shows Dec 01 00:34:13 http://10.0.0.3/quick/install Dec 01 00:34:16 aSIMULAtor: Hah.. yeah, sure did. I came home from work way late too. Dec 01 00:34:17 quick.install Dec 01 00:34:26 and it was dynamically generated based on the ip address now Dec 01 00:34:45 the install starts pointing at this new dynamic repository Dec 01 00:34:53 dragging files from my tablet to yours Dec 01 00:35:03 lcuk: http://tinyurl.com/yfh3fx9 Dec 01 00:35:04 and hey presto, new app Dec 01 00:35:19 tl; dr Dec 01 00:35:23 lol Dec 01 00:36:11 lardman did you ever transition over to reading direct from the viewfinder Dec 01 00:36:25 or are you still taking the larger slower full resolution image and using gstreamer to scale Dec 01 00:36:50 well even the viewfinder is scaled somewhere Dec 01 00:37:06 but no I don't use that, otherwise I'd have a redundant pipeline Dec 01 00:37:06 sp3000: well Dec 01 00:37:19 didnt use the viewfinder? Dec 01 00:37:20 the baltimore in the device is near Washington, GA Dec 01 00:39:04 hm.. Xv performance seems kinda poor :/ Dec 01 00:39:14 rly Dec 01 00:39:19 ~seen pupnik Dec 01 00:39:21 i find it astonishingly amazing Dec 01 00:39:22 pupnik was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 5m 43s ago, saying: 'sorry maemo'. Dec 01 00:39:29 oO Dec 01 00:39:43 mplayer performance seems to be about the same as on N810 at first look :) Dec 01 00:39:48 * ShadowJK gets no sound either :D Dec 01 00:40:03 thats different then Dec 01 00:40:15 the optimizations to ogg are incredible though Dec 01 00:40:43 aSIMULAter: wb Dec 01 00:40:47 yeah but video_out was consuming more CPU than video_decode :) Dec 01 00:40:57 >= mpeg now Dec 01 00:41:15 oh well bandwidth is a big issue Dec 01 00:44:41 hihi Dec 01 00:45:51 * Flandry kicks autobuilder Dec 01 00:46:41 * Proteous pats autobuildeer and says that it will be alright Dec 01 00:47:15 you have no idea how to maintain a server ;) Dec 01 00:48:02 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 01 00:48:24 aSIMULAtor: hey Dec 01 00:48:31 please try the latest version :) Dec 01 00:49:00 night all Dec 01 00:49:02 oh, and if you've reflashed recently, there's only one .install file these days Dec 01 00:49:18 ok ill flash it at work? Dec 01 00:49:24 goodnight lardman|gone Dec 01 00:50:28 ok Dec 01 00:50:39 you were @bcn, no? Dec 01 00:50:45 we're neighbors btw Dec 01 00:51:03 we dropped two floors and moved lunchward one wing Dec 01 00:51:38 oh really? hehe Dec 01 00:51:41 what wing? Dec 01 00:51:50 i'm going ot barcelona on thurs Dec 01 00:51:58 at nrc today adn wed Dec 01 00:52:25 oh yeah tha'ts right i think jaakko was telling me about u guys moving Dec 01 00:57:15 How're we getting from the airport to the hotel, by the way? Dec 01 00:57:19 Taxi? Dec 01 00:58:11 i dunno how we are Dec 01 00:58:28 i'm guessing we're all goign to hold hands and skip Dec 01 00:59:42 Sounds fun Dec 01 01:00:13 haha, oh jeez... libiw30 is installed... but i've got no iw* apps... specifically iwlist and such... my /etc/network/interfaces has lo, eth0 as dhcp, usb0 is being set statically.... then i ifconfig it and it looks like we've got lo, phonet0, wlan0, and wmaster0 links currently up... Dec 01 01:00:47 wlan and wmaster have no transfer, with < 2kb on phonet0 Dec 01 01:01:18 guess i'll see if i can track down my wireless tools in a deb Dec 01 01:02:31 aSIMULAter: Any idea if there are more of these events coming in the future? Dec 01 01:03:35 o/ zerojay Dec 01 01:03:44 let's hope there are! Dec 01 01:04:52 Nope, zerojay, last one forever and always. Dec 01 01:04:53 Sorry. Dec 01 01:06:45 bah Dec 01 01:07:54 nite guys Dec 01 01:08:32 bye bye Dec 01 01:12:01 morning Dec 01 01:14:00 hm... still can't get any sound out of mplayer :/ Dec 01 01:15:48 Argh. Dec 01 01:16:00 Silly mistake #4 Dec 01 01:16:22 Wonder why it's not taking picture, keep holding down 'shutter' button. Wonder why device turns off. Dec 01 01:19:16 oh, if I set profile to general, I get sound Dec 01 01:21:36 but not consistently... Dec 01 01:21:37 :/ Dec 01 01:22:13 ah nevermind Dec 01 01:28:13 lol Dec 01 01:28:16 ugh, compiling mplayer for arm is a minefield of compiler crashes :-) Dec 01 01:28:38 4.2.1 was a particularly bad version of gcc. Dec 01 01:28:44 isn't there already a source package? Dec 01 01:29:45 which groups is the N900 user a member of? Dec 01 01:30:00 i want to compile a newer mplayer Dec 01 01:30:09 with a compiler that does neon Dec 01 01:31:42 ShadowJK, yes please! Dec 01 01:32:13 * ShadowJK realizes he's using diablo4 sdk Dec 01 01:32:15 mwhahahaha Dec 01 01:32:35 Will the main OS2008 apps ever be updated, or just wait for stable Mer? Dec 01 01:33:03 faad seems to miscompile :/ Dec 01 01:33:08 zaheerm: thanks for porting zope and twisted. They're exactly what I needed. Dec 01 01:33:11 ShadowJK, we really need a Fremantle version of mplayer that is optified and optimised Dec 01 01:33:25 Dosage now works on the command line Dec 01 01:33:40 qole, the optimized part is going to be hard, I don't think the buildhosts's compiler is new enough? Dec 01 01:33:46 atleast someone on talk said something like that Dec 01 01:33:51 have fun building gcc just for mplayer :-) Dec 01 01:34:07 yes that's what the VLC maintainer said too Dec 01 01:35:17 at least optified and set to fullscreen by default, then Dec 01 01:36:08 no way to push binaries to extras? Dec 01 01:36:33 extras non-free Dec 01 01:37:01 what about sneaking gcc binaries in the source package Dec 01 01:37:20 at least in Diablo you could do an end-run around the autobuilder by uploading to non-free Dec 01 01:38:15 yes, you can upload "source" packages with pre-compiled binaries, too. Dec 01 01:38:20 Oh, faad fixed-point is broken... floating point seems fine Dec 01 01:38:39 but the floating point version is consuming 70% decoding time :-) Dec 01 01:39:04 maybe pre-compile the minimum and let the autobuilder do the rest? Dec 01 01:39:50 or is the core binary the problem here? Dec 01 01:40:31 Well 4.3Megs out of the 7-9 meg binary or whatever.. Dec 01 01:41:16 gcc on ARM needs some serious work. Dec 01 01:41:41 lol Dec 01 01:41:43 derf: just take the lead Dec 01 01:41:44 Anyone mind taking a look at a dmesg dump quick and seeing if anything near the end might explain why i'm not able to see an open, broadcasting access point? http://pastebin.ca/1695032 Dec 01 01:41:45 Go get them to fix some of their bugs: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40893 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40887 Dec 01 01:41:48 Bug 40893: was not found. Dec 01 01:41:48 Bug 40887: was not found. Dec 01 01:42:19 i got it earlier today, haven't really been able to do much with no network connectivity Dec 01 01:42:51 el_zilcho: doesn't contain anything Dec 01 01:43:00 i see a lot of ubifs errors which i assume are entirely unrelated Dec 01 01:43:01 el_zilcho: can you see other access points? Dec 01 01:43:23 yeah, at work earlier i could iwlist and see the ap there Dec 01 01:43:35 but nothing in the connections menu, Dec 01 01:43:52 i've looked a few places now and don't see anything meaningful to me Dec 01 01:44:01 on the phone... Dec 01 01:44:24 and i apparently don't have any wireless tools even those the only package i saw was installed Dec 01 01:44:27 el_zilcho: possible scenarios: too much noise on the specific channel (other access points on the same channel, which are overpowering the access point you are trying to connect to), access point is broken (in the way that only a broken receiver could read it), etc Dec 01 01:44:48 try rebooting AP, or changing settings/frequency Dec 01 01:45:30 i'd say its more likely the handset's hardware is dead since i've tried both work and home routers Dec 01 01:45:52 but i'd expect to see some errors somewhere Dec 01 01:47:11 it's hard to test the package installation when scratchbox doesn't really have root access Dec 01 01:48:16 i guess it's just my user Dec 01 01:48:17 i'll try changing the channel though, i guess everything is worth trying at this point Dec 01 01:48:31 Flandry: fakeroot? Dec 01 01:48:43 el_zilcho: i've never seen a device where only wifi would break Dec 01 01:49:17 if wifi didn't work, what else would you expect to see nonfunctioning? Dec 01 01:49:51 fakeroot doesn't actually let you change some things, but it looks like dpkg runs with root anyway Dec 01 01:51:49 tno Dec 01 01:51:50 my understanding is my buddy took his out of the box, turned it on, and the menu by the clock that allows you to get into connections came up, showed essids, he chose and away he flew... i don't seem to be able to even make it see a single router... i don't know how else to explain the issue without presumind possible hardware defect Dec 01 01:52:20 el_zilcho: interesting, I suppose you've tried rebooting it and all? Dec 01 01:52:34 el_zilcho: do you and your buddy have the same software version on the phones? Dec 01 01:52:40 multiple locations, multiple routers, multiple reboots of all involved electronics Dec 01 01:52:57 yeah Dec 01 01:53:01 el_zilcho, have you reflashed? Dec 01 01:53:14 i'm running umm... 24.11 or the dyslexic version of that Dec 01 01:53:16 whichever is proper Dec 01 01:53:23 54.11? Dec 01 01:53:25 i guess i will if you think that's my last chance Dec 01 01:53:33 42-11 Dec 01 01:53:38 sup el_zilcho Dec 01 01:53:42 1.2009.42-11.002 Dec 01 01:53:54 el_zilcho: I'm guessing that with the whole no-wifi thing, you didn't really do a lot with the device Dec 01 01:54:06 el_zilcho: so flashing it won't hurt your data at all Dec 01 01:54:24 el_zilcho: it's a long shot, but worth the try, as you said Dec 01 01:54:27 not worried about data, but if its a last ditch effort... maemo.org has those images? Dec 01 01:54:59 can someone just tell me how to install nano or pico? Dec 01 01:55:04 el_zilcho: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 01 01:55:08 nothing is in these repositories Dec 01 01:55:10 not even irssi Dec 01 01:55:11 :( Dec 01 01:55:12 ty Dec 01 01:55:12 el_zilcho, I agree with crashanddie, a good reflash couldn't hurt Dec 01 01:55:22 DrNoboto: which repositories? Dec 01 01:55:38 qole: we're in the same timezone! Dec 01 01:56:06 nokia applications, nokia system software updates, maemo extras, extras testing Dec 01 01:56:13 Really! Cool! Almost 6pm. Dec 01 01:56:25 cool, i'm in that timezone too Dec 01 01:56:33 qole: I'm in California for a few weeks :) Dec 01 01:56:39 qole: walk down and have a beer! Dec 01 01:56:41 Almost home too, the next bus stop. Dec 01 01:57:07 DrNoboto: where abouts? Dec 01 01:57:16 LA Dec 01 01:57:28 cool Dec 01 01:57:33 crashanddie, too far to walk, but definitely somewhere I'm thinking about vacationing next spring. Dec 01 01:57:35 I'll probably go down to LA for the weekend Dec 01 01:57:39 hm.. and qemu seems to segfault on binaries that have neon.. Dec 01 01:57:46 qole: but I won't be here next spring! I'm here now! Dec 01 01:57:54 heh Dec 01 01:58:05 * ShadowJK gives up :-) Dec 01 01:58:31 crashanddie, if I were a developer, I could go to that Nokia dev thing Dec 01 01:58:35 qole: if I'm all setup and have enough room, I'm offering you a week at my place next spring! Dec 01 01:59:16 so is anyone here using irssi? Dec 01 01:59:42 DrNoboto: ncurses is evil Dec 01 01:59:43 if i apt-get it, it's not found Dec 01 01:59:50 i'm evil Dec 01 01:59:59 crashanddie, you moving there? Dec 01 02:00:01 DrNoboto: I'm using it, but not on the n900 Dec 01 02:00:10 DrNoboto: sshing into a server that's running it in a screen session Dec 01 02:00:10 i'm using it too but not on my n900 Dec 01 02:00:12 qole: yup Dec 01 02:00:12 that's the problem : / Dec 01 02:00:21 xchat ftw Dec 01 02:00:21 qole: if "there" is Re: the PM I sent Dec 01 02:00:25 yeah, i might do that at some point Dec 01 02:00:35 DrNoboto: you should, it's way better to just connect to a persistent screen session Dec 01 02:00:39 reading the EUSA on the flasher... isn't that basically going to put me in a position of not being able to return this phone for a replacement? Dec 01 02:00:43 greenfly: i know Dec 01 02:00:53 i'm well aware of the virtues of that system Dec 01 02:00:55 : ) Dec 01 02:01:00 "By accepting Dec 01 02:01:00 the following License Agreement you also agree to use this software at Dec 01 02:01:00 your own risk and accept that Nokia assumes no liability and does not Dec 01 02:01:00 provide any warranties, support or services related to the software. Dec 01 02:01:15 but the firewall that my shell is behind is acting weird Dec 01 02:01:21 i'm actually sshed into it right now Dec 01 02:01:24 but i'm behind that firewall Dec 01 02:01:37 so basically, i flash it, i probably can't send it back, which would be completely bunk Dec 01 02:01:53 crashanddie, definitely NOT my time zone! Dec 01 02:03:31 el_zilcho, no. Dec 01 02:03:42 el_zilcho, the flasher does not void the warranty. Dec 01 02:03:48 well i guess i should just fix that firewall issue then shouldn't i Dec 01 02:04:17 ok, i'll take your word for it Dec 01 02:04:25 el_zilcho, what that sentence is telling you is that they do not warranty the flasher. Dec 01 02:04:27 if you brick it, you can just send it to me Dec 01 02:04:29 Read it again more carefully. Dec 01 02:05:40 nice Dec 01 02:05:42 well, its the Nokia assumes no liability thing that gets me Dec 01 02:05:50 not necessarily the warranty part Dec 01 02:06:04 If the flasher blows up your computer, they're not going to pay to fix it. Dec 01 02:06:22 Trust me, the flasher isn't going to void your N900's warranty. Dec 01 02:06:31 Besides, I've never once seen it fail. Dec 01 02:11:19 hm Dec 01 02:11:41 * ShadowJK wonders what else supports advanced substation alpha subtitles in mkv files Dec 01 02:12:17 when did maemo.org get a beta tag? Dec 01 02:14:37 hello all Dec 01 02:15:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture Dec 01 02:15:39 anyone have any links to what "SSO" refers to in that diagram? Dec 01 02:16:00 single sign on? Dec 01 02:16:07 well so I assumed :) Dec 01 02:16:11 trying to find details on that package Dec 01 02:16:16 lemme look at the picture Dec 01 02:16:30 is plugdev one of the groups that N900 user is in by default? Dec 01 02:17:36 paroneayea: "the components in red are proprietary components" Dec 01 02:17:41 pwnguin: right Dec 01 02:17:51 I'm compiling a list of nonfree components and what's necessary to replace them Dec 01 02:18:05 isnt there already a list of nonfree on te wiki? Dec 01 02:18:06 so I'm trying to gather info on that, but it's the one piece I can't find any data on Dec 01 02:18:27 yeah but it's a bit outdated it seems. I'm also looking to update that list Dec 01 02:18:46 just need to know the groups a user is in on N900. 10 seconds of someone's time, please. Dec 01 02:19:01 Flandry: if i had one, i'd tell you Dec 01 02:19:23 Flandry: as the user type "groups" Dec 01 02:19:35 i don't have an n900 Dec 01 02:19:40 or i would :) Dec 01 02:19:48 who here has n900 with tmo 3g i cant get it to work Dec 01 02:20:04 -shL groups not found Dec 01 02:20:17 :o Dec 01 02:20:17 Flandry: dialout, audio, video, pulse-access Dec 01 02:20:18 bah, will have to check /etc/group Dec 01 02:20:22 im at a tmo store is there special instructiins after putting the sim in Dec 01 02:20:23 i have 3g, and talk.maemo.org works Dec 01 02:20:28 and users Dec 01 02:20:31 lcuk tmo? Dec 01 02:20:38 howd u get it to work Dec 01 02:20:39 thats what you asked Dec 01 02:20:43 Flandry: ^^^ Dec 01 02:20:47 thanks Dec 01 02:21:01 np Dec 01 02:21:20 so this flasher... there's i386 .deb version that won't cooperate with me, an exe that doesn't work under wine, and i'm starting to feel like i should just initiate my RMA Dec 01 02:21:25 Flandry, if theres another route ask quickly im beddin in 5 Dec 01 02:21:27 hehe Dec 01 02:21:36 lcuk im bootin it with tmo sim cards its not workin Dec 01 02:21:51 lcuk wait :) Dec 01 02:21:57 i have no idea if groups doesn't work Dec 01 02:22:07 you need cards to use talk.maemo.org? Dec 01 02:22:11 lcuk is there special settings i habe to do Dec 01 02:22:27 lcuk i searched couldnt find instructions Dec 01 02:22:28 there's a group called users though paroneayea? Dec 01 02:22:53 Flandry: yes, and a user is in it by default Dec 01 02:23:01 ok, that one will do Dec 01 02:23:06 thanks so much Dec 01 02:23:52 asidjazz: is the implication of your statement that it has worked with other sim cards? or did i read into it? Dec 01 02:24:24 it works with at&t sim as edge Dec 01 02:24:34 tmo sims theres no internet Dec 01 02:24:42 edge or 3g Dec 01 02:24:48 asidjazz, did you change the operator? Dec 01 02:24:53 go lookup tmobiles website settings Dec 01 02:24:54 It's probably still got AT&T settings Dec 01 02:25:03 lcuk, no, rerun the operator setup wizard Dec 01 02:25:07 i had to manually enter settings for my o2 sim earlier Dec 01 02:25:13 ahh cool Dec 01 02:25:17 so thats feasible now Dec 01 02:26:24 im with tmo reps there no settings or docs for n900 Dec 01 02:26:36 general where is that found Dec 01 02:27:21 well k go to conn settings and it says internet2.voicestream.com Dec 01 02:27:23 Control panel Dec 01 02:27:35 settings? Dec 01 02:27:47 Find the internet connections control panel Dec 01 02:27:58 Settings, yeah. Dec 01 02:28:01 k then what Dec 01 02:28:15 Delete the AT&T one and create a new one Dec 01 02:28:38 cant delte it Dec 01 02:29:15 how's it goin GeneralAntilles Dec 01 02:29:54 trying again brb Dec 01 02:29:56 paroneayea: if you publish or finish the list, do give me a /msg Dec 01 02:30:06 pwnguin: ok, will do Dec 01 02:31:42 paroneayea: maybe it's actually OSSO? Dec 01 02:31:50 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/libosso-rtcom-accounts/ Dec 01 02:32:45 osso seems to be a pretty generic name in here, stands for "Open Source Software Operations" afaict Dec 01 02:32:54 so I think osso is a department inside of nokia Dec 01 02:33:10 but the osso- package is on some proprietary packages so the term "open source" on there is kind of weird Dec 01 02:33:12 Was Dec 01 02:33:14 A long time ago Dec 01 02:33:19 GeneralAntilles: oh? Dec 01 02:33:23 Now it's Maemo Devices Dec 01 02:33:30 aha Dec 01 02:33:41 so the packaging name of osso- is legacy? Dec 01 02:33:46 legacy naming convention :) Dec 01 02:33:49 Yeah Dec 01 02:34:01 GeneralAntilles: noted, thanks Dec 01 02:34:02 Sadly we sometimes still get new packages with it, however. <_< Dec 01 02:34:19 GeneralAntilles: do you work for nokia or are you an enthusiast only? Dec 01 02:34:22 interesting Dec 01 02:34:25 http://packages.debian.org/sid/libosso-dev Dec 01 02:34:27 I see you answering a lot of questions on here Dec 01 02:34:44 paroneayea, enthusiast Dec 01 02:34:54 paroneayea, served on the council for two terms. Dec 01 02:35:16 GeneralAntilles is zerojay-certified. Dec 01 02:35:22 GeneralAntilles: cool Dec 01 02:36:30 does fennec support addons? Dec 01 02:37:45 it should, it has xulrunner Dec 01 02:37:47 arg. once again, mozilla's wiki contains conflicting information on the subject Dec 01 02:37:54 afaki Dec 01 02:37:58 one page says addons are disabled Dec 01 02:38:14 another has clear "install weave on n810" instructions Dec 01 02:38:58 pwnguin, older versions had addons disabled Dec 01 02:39:01 I think it was recently enabled. Dec 01 02:39:50 i swear, someone needs to chat with mozilla about how wikis have revision history Dec 01 02:40:40 maybe they could fund some wiki development to support tagged revisions; "this set of pages are related to version 1.0" Dec 01 02:55:27 im talking to you from my n900 Dec 01 02:55:32 weee Dec 01 02:55:36 :) Dec 01 02:58:31 So why does gcc.specs include -fno-optimize-sibling-calls? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 01 02:59:58 2009