**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 08 21:26:51 2009 Dec 08 21:30:52 after something successfuly builds, do I have to wait a while for it to turn up in the repo before I can use it as a dep for another build? Dec 08 21:31:30 As far as I can tell, yes. Dec 08 21:31:34 e.g. f2c requires libf2c to install; and fort77 needs both to build Dec 08 21:31:49 ok, well I'll wait for a while before pushing fort77 then Dec 08 21:31:50 lardman hm poke X-fade tomorrow Dec 08 21:31:55 thanks derf Dec 08 21:31:55 lardman: it is all done via scripts running periodically, so yes, wait Dec 08 21:32:02 ok, np Dec 08 21:32:10 * lardman|home goes to watch TV :) Dec 08 21:32:19 nite lardman Dec 08 21:32:20 lardman|home: AFAIK, the autobuilder just uses apt to get the dependencies. Dec 08 21:32:22 saved from the Octave deps! :) Dec 08 21:32:35 So if you can see it with an apt-get update, then it can see it, too. Dec 08 21:32:39 derf: yeah, so I have to wait for the Packages* to be updated Dec 08 21:32:45 Right. Dec 08 21:33:32 night woglinde; bbl everyone else :) Dec 08 21:35:57 hoi javispedro Dec 08 21:36:01 hiyo wog Dec 08 21:37:17 * GeneralAntilles ponders a US long weekend in Summer. Dec 08 21:39:04 probably a lil OT here. Anyway: how would I qualify for doing nokia hw repair and to get the manuals? Anyone a clue? Dec 08 21:39:07 * VDVsx ponders a long weekend in a tropical island ;) Dec 08 21:39:50 VDVsx, Hawaii? Dec 08 21:40:07 DocScrutinizer51, at least in my country you need to be a accredited party, dunno the steps to become that Dec 08 21:40:07 VDVsx, at least it'd be expensive to bring anyone out there instead of just some. :D Dec 08 21:40:18 GeneralAntilles, eheh Dec 08 21:41:14 Actually, though, I think Austin, TX isn't a bad idea. Dec 08 21:42:13 It's a middling sort of city, so it wont be super expensive for room/board. Dec 08 21:44:16 what the hell is wrong with Freenode these days Dec 08 21:44:28 why? Dec 08 21:44:35 split Dec 08 21:44:44 eew Dec 08 21:45:01 crashanddie, you. Dec 08 21:45:10 aww Dec 08 21:45:15 you hurts my feelings GA Dec 08 21:45:15 lol Dec 08 21:45:28 * crashanddie curls up in a ball and goes crying Dec 08 21:46:09 GeneralAntilles: how was barca? Dec 08 21:46:32 crashanddie, I think I've abused the superlative adjectives enough in describing it. Dec 08 21:46:38 So I'll just stick to: "Fucking amazing!" Dec 08 21:46:57 good Dec 08 21:47:00 you back in the US now? Dec 08 21:47:18 Yup Dec 08 21:49:12 lol Dec 08 21:49:20 I have 3 N900 orders in Forum Nokia. Dec 08 21:49:21 Awesome. Dec 08 21:49:37 It's going to show up when I'm back in St. Pete. Dec 08 21:50:03 ddp? Dec 08 21:50:05 how's the jet-lag? Dec 08 21:50:13 javispedro, yes. Dec 08 21:50:15 crashanddie, fine. Dec 08 21:50:42 crashanddie, had a nicely timed day/night transition going out (landed in JFK as it was setting, landed in BCN as it was rising) and don't feel to bad coming back now. Dec 08 21:51:02 going towards europe is the worst Dec 08 21:51:13 and having no or bad headphones too Dec 08 21:51:51 Hooray Bose QC2! Dec 08 21:52:01 boah Dec 08 21:52:08 Even though the sound quality is shit, the noise canceling and comfort makes up for it. Dec 08 21:53:41 sennheiser ftw Dec 08 21:53:57 just buy any odd $80+ headphones and you're good really Dec 08 21:54:30 as long as they're small, intra aural, and not made from baby pandas Dec 08 21:57:31 crashanddie, haha, I'd forgotten about this. Dec 08 21:57:42 ? Dec 08 21:57:44 http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/58408.html Dec 08 21:57:48 hi all Dec 08 21:57:50 The paragraph with Borge. Dec 08 21:57:52 Anidel! Dec 08 21:57:55 GA: got your message.. shame :/ Dec 08 21:58:07 Anidel, ehehe, probably just as well. Dec 08 21:58:19 Anidel, got lots of sleep Sunday night. :D Dec 08 21:58:27 eheh missed a picture of you though.. people asked it to me and I failed them Dec 08 21:58:29 :p Dec 08 21:58:38 :) needed it Dec 08 21:58:39 crashanddie, the camera people kept using the documentation people as backdrops for their interviews. Dec 08 21:58:52 crashanddie, so we'd be having these discussions and they'd come over and tell us to shut the fuck up. Dec 08 21:58:55 Really obnoxious. Dec 08 21:59:23 wtf? Dec 08 21:59:39 I would've loved to be there :D Dec 08 21:59:40 hi crash Dec 08 21:59:44 hey Anidel Dec 08 21:59:46 what's up buddy? Dec 08 21:59:49 Anidel, http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/maemo/20091205_011.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolsh/4162961890/ Dec 08 21:59:58 ahh great Dec 08 22:00:21 Anidel, you can also catch a bit of my head and shoulder in Sebastian's frat shot on tigert's photostream. ;) Dec 08 22:00:37 crashanddie, aggreed on sennheisers Dec 08 22:00:50 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4160666201/ Dec 08 22:00:58 these two are fine and I can confirm you exist :p well.. that at least there exist somebody who claim it's the ga on IRC and t.m.o Dec 08 22:01:00 :p Dec 08 22:01:09 Anidel, here too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4166413835/ Dec 08 22:01:10 Anidel: Hey, Myrrti was asking for the comeback of the normal xournal UI today Dec 08 22:01:11 Hehe Dec 08 22:01:17 crash everything's fine.. just miss the weather in Barcelona Dec 08 22:01:17 Anidel: Any better idea when? =) Dec 08 22:01:18 * GeneralAntilles isn't just a figment on the internet! Dec 08 22:01:32 crashanddie, it was really bizarre. Dec 08 22:01:39 the almighty general? a figment? Dec 08 22:01:43 GeneralAntilles: i thought you were a bot until pictures showed up Dec 08 22:01:43 :P Dec 08 22:01:51 crashanddie, it's like, "Well, can you find somebody else to film around?" Dec 08 22:01:51 rst38h: I'll prepare a wiki page on maemo.org about that.. need some time to re-organize it and schedule everything Dec 08 22:01:57 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4159208145/in/photostream/ - neat Dec 08 22:02:00 Stskeeps: They're probably shopped. Dec 08 22:02:03 Anidel: ack. Dec 08 22:02:04 You can tell because of the pixels. Dec 08 22:02:06 derf, indeed. Dec 08 22:02:21 Stskeeps: Maybe e is a physical bot! Dec 08 22:02:30 Dalek in disguise Dec 08 22:02:37 a mechanical turk? Dec 08 22:02:46 SpeedEvil, yeah, was wondering around BCN at night looking for a place to eat with VDVsx, andy80 and yerga and walked past that in the dark. Dec 08 22:02:48 I've got very nice feedback there and Xournal will improve a lot in usabilty... next Qt version (yes there will be one) will have..how they say it "next generation UI"? Dec 08 22:02:49 :) Dec 08 22:02:55 dinner's ready! Dec 08 22:02:57 ttyl Dec 08 22:03:05 SpeedEvil, I looked up and my mouth dropped open. Dec 08 22:03:07 GeneralAntilles: It looks disney. Dec 08 22:03:28 oooo xournal polishing? yummy Dec 08 22:03:37 SpeedEvil, I then commented on the fact that in the city I grew up in my 1920s neighborhood is one of the oldest in the city. :D Dec 08 22:03:45 Anidel: just bring back all the old options into the current version first =) Dec 08 22:03:51 tigert, why the low resolution on your Flickr stuff, by the way? Dec 08 22:03:56 ;) Dec 08 22:04:16 it drives me nuts how xounal handles, or rather doesn't, word wrapping Dec 08 22:04:31 otherwise it's a cracking app Dec 08 22:05:23 :) Dec 08 22:05:29 nomnom? Dec 08 22:05:52 Anyone knows the URL of the DDP eStore order tracking page? Dec 08 22:06:38 GeneralAntilles, perhaps full resolution would have been too expensive for his data plan? IIRC he was uploading everything instantly Dec 08 22:06:39 RST38h, I just had it. Dec 08 22:06:44 RST38h, think you can go to home. Dec 08 22:06:51 and? Dec 08 22:07:07 I see no tracking link :( Dec 08 22:07:09 cause he has some print quality photos on his flickr and i'm guessing he doesn't want to share those print quality photos in high res Dec 08 22:07:26 RST38h, or maybe MyAccount Dec 08 22:07:26 evil =) Dec 08 22:07:28 One second. Dec 08 22:07:31 hmmm Dec 08 22:07:34 RST38h: can't sleep eh? :) Dec 08 22:07:34 RST38h: I just copied a folder and the entire build system broke Dec 08 22:07:43 RST38h, https://pro.forum.nokia.com/getUserServiceOrders.do Dec 08 22:08:11 javispedro: almost asleep, gotta read some Mieville and shut myself down Dec 08 22:08:21 general: Thanks! Dec 08 22:08:23 ahaaaaa! Dec 08 22:08:51 GeneralAntilles: wankers Dec 08 22:09:30 rst when will ir arrive? Dec 08 22:10:44 we need more mods on tmo :( Dec 08 22:11:07 woglinde: mine does not appear to be shipped yet Dec 08 22:11:10 what we need is a mod system that only gives you x actions per day/week Dec 08 22:11:14 rst oh Dec 08 22:11:15 crashanddie: What does it pay? Dec 08 22:11:30 woglinde: then it will hit christmas and get lost I am afraid :( Dec 08 22:11:38 sure Dec 08 22:11:39 SpeedEvil: a line in your posts and a lot of shit from users Dec 08 22:11:42 :) Dec 08 22:11:48 with luck in the new year Dec 08 22:11:59 crashanddie: So, you want to make /.? Dec 08 22:12:10 derf: I didn't say anyone got to moderate Dec 08 22:12:37 woglinde: I do have a loaned preproduction unit, so not a roadblock to development, just a minor annoyance Dec 08 22:12:38 derf: just double the amount of mods, but relieve their functions after some time/actions so they don't burn out Dec 08 22:12:45 rst ah okay Dec 08 22:12:48 If you limit how much action a moderator can take, you necessarily lower your standards for moderators. Dec 08 22:12:57 crashanddie: you know there is an easier way to handle it? Dec 08 22:13:04 RST38h: how so then? Dec 08 22:13:06 seems I should have travel to amsterdam too Dec 08 22:13:11 derf: what do you mean? Dec 08 22:13:12 crashanddie: genocyde. Dec 08 22:13:18 * RST38h laughes heartily Dec 08 22:13:35 RST38h: or maybe we could create an underground fora, with only a few people, the ones who are really worth it Dec 08 22:13:49 crashanddie: actually, I suggested that on multiple occassions Dec 08 22:13:59 we'll start out as a secret organisation, and only people who pass the test get access Dec 08 22:14:00 crashanddie: it is the sanest of options Dec 08 22:14:21 crashanddie: reading open for everyone, posting by invitation only Dec 08 22:14:37 RST38h, I say we just give root access to Darius. Dec 08 22:14:38 crashanddie: I thought that's what _this_ was. Dec 08 22:14:41 we'll get together every 3 full moons, in a secret base just off the m25 near ipswitch, an old nuclear bunker Dec 08 22:15:17 General: You of all people should know that Darius is undergoing his seasonal maintenance at some Polish bedlam Dec 08 22:15:28 and then we'll gang bang the 3 only girls that were silly enough to join our ranks, and share memories from when tmo used to be cool and elitist during our collective post-coital glow Dec 08 22:15:30 So, he is unavailable! Dec 08 22:15:39 lol Dec 08 22:16:10 But yes, I do suggest we seriously consider idea of one-two subforums that are invitation only Dec 08 22:16:32 some will say we are a sect of some sort, that we should be stopped, we will get jailed, and some of us even burnt on a stake, but in our hearts we will know we were true to ourselves Dec 08 22:16:39 Either that, or genocyde, or you start breeding cranky moderators who still end up with genocyde Dec 08 22:17:35 The only thing I'd really need, on top of thread subscriptions: a service (email) that announces new threads to me (only from selected forums, of course). then, I would decide which ones to follow. perhaps the mail would be formatted in such a way that I delete all threads from it I dont want to follow, and just send it back .... Dec 08 22:17:41 RST38h, man, I can just see geneven running with that idea. Dec 08 22:17:46 just put up a random .deb file in tmo which triggers battery explosion in n900 Dec 08 22:17:47 crashanddie: not sure what you are driving at, I am mostly after very practical goal of keeping signal to noise ratio off the epsilon mark Dec 08 22:17:51 and let the problem fix itself Dec 08 22:18:05 javis <-- took words out of my mouth Dec 08 22:18:06 RST38h: i think most of the crowded-news issue is due to the reliance of people using "New Posts". Dec 08 22:18:09 if such a email would come to me once a day ... Dec 08 22:18:17 Stskeeps: I am not talking of news. Dec 08 22:18:21 javispedro, I'd prefer it uploading GPS coordinates and nuking those locations from orbit. Dec 08 22:18:24 It's the only way to be sure. Dec 08 22:18:25 RST38h: i meant crowded-forums Dec 08 22:18:47 Stskeeps: I am talking of hordes of people infinitely repeating the same false rumors or half-correct instructions for bricking their devices Dec 08 22:18:55 RST38h: I was being satirical because most "secret organisations" inside communities fail miserably -- they believe they beat the system, but they're just asocial nerds who think they're being original Dec 08 22:19:08 RST38h: meh, wasn't it like this a year ago on tmo anyway? Dec 08 22:19:09 :P Dec 08 22:19:23 crashanddie: no need to make it secret, just make people take a sentience test Dec 08 22:19:24 javispedro: so you basically want to turn a n900 into an iPhone, right? :-) Dec 08 22:19:24 RST38h: whishing those "half-correct" instructions were "fully-correct" instructions to brick their devices :) Dec 08 22:19:26 instead, just concentrate your efforts on making the community a more interesting place -- trolls die young Dec 08 22:19:34 oh kevloral, now I remember you! Dec 08 22:19:38 crashanddie: agreed Dec 08 22:20:13 Anidel, I forgot to thank samantha for the art work, by the way. Dec 08 22:20:15 RST38h: if you want to better the signal to noise ratio, don't prevent noise from being generated, just create more signal! Dec 08 22:20:23 Anidel, wearing (and digging) the t-shirt as we speak. Dec 08 22:20:31 crashanddie: this does not work Dec 08 22:20:45 good day all! Dec 08 22:21:02 crashanddie: not at the current concentrations of eager but clueless people Dec 08 22:21:23 Ugh, -developers is up to 250 unread. Dec 08 22:21:45 Ugh indeed GeneralAntilles Dec 08 22:22:02 * javispedro uses Pan to read -developers Dec 08 22:22:07 * GeneralAntilles didn't read enough email over the weekend. Dec 08 22:22:09 crashanddie: you can still do it in a separate semi-controlled subforum, but not in an open forum where 90% of people joined in the last 3 months and 70% of them do not have actual devices Dec 08 22:22:27 javispedro: yep, I remember you too. Dec 08 22:22:40 Let's just strap crashanddie to a chair Clockwork Orange-style and make him moderate. Dec 08 22:22:50 =) Dec 08 22:22:51 kevloral: was trying to pm you, but I guess your client is ignoring pms too Dec 08 22:22:57 me a moderator? Man you're in for a ride Dec 08 22:23:12 lol Dec 08 22:23:13 GeneralAntilles: that being said, the clockwork orange style is strangely compeling Dec 08 22:23:17 moderator! Dec 08 22:23:35 crashanddie, well, there are two possible outcomes. Dec 08 22:23:46 one certain out-cum Dec 08 22:24:00 crashanddie, wrong scene, sorry. Dec 08 22:24:03 The one later. :P Dec 08 22:24:07 haha Dec 08 22:24:10 "When eaten, there are two possible outcomes!" Dec 08 22:24:42 ok, now I am really out Dec 08 22:25:22 !seen qwerty Dec 08 22:25:36 ~ping Dec 08 22:25:43 infobot's still dead Dec 08 22:26:45 hmm it seems that network doesn't work from my maemo5 sdk xephyr, is there something that should be setup beforehand? network works in the virtual machine and scratchbox Dec 08 22:27:21 did you fixed /etc/resolv.conf ? Dec 08 22:27:22 3pillar check resolv.conf Dec 08 22:27:25 pillar, check your /scratchbox/resolv.conf Dec 08 22:27:49 hehe Dec 08 22:27:56 the problem becomes appearant on laptops, where you often change networks but sbox sticks with the wrong resolv.conf Dec 08 22:27:57 debugging by voting :) Dec 08 22:28:30 just coping the recent one to /scratchbox/resolv.conf + relogin to sbox should solve it Dec 08 22:28:34 so, just install pdnsd o dnsmasq and fix the problem Dec 08 22:28:50 hm Dec 08 22:28:54 whoa, didn't expect so many answers all at once :) I think it is okay, since the network works in scratchbox? it is just inside xephyr that when my app tries to connect it won't work Dec 08 22:29:10 "inside xephyr" doesn't make much sense Dec 08 22:29:24 unless you're talking about graphics. xephyr only handles graphics. Dec 08 22:29:27 thats fairly impossible xephyr just displays apps Dec 08 22:29:48 javispedro I realise that, I don't know what is a correct way to say this, I don't like to call it an emulator Dec 08 22:29:49 I can install apps from the hildon-desktop app man when running in xephyr .... Dec 08 22:30:22 pillar: you called it scratchbox already, that's fine. Dec 08 22:30:23 pillar: xephyr is only the 'nested' Xserver Dec 08 22:30:31 what I mean is that I am running my app in the scratchbox, which is shown in xephyr Dec 08 22:30:52 back Dec 08 22:31:10 but scratchbox command line network works just fine, not in my app or for example the web browser in maemo5 "emulator" Dec 08 22:31:26 generalantilles: just thanked Samantha for you :) she's happy about that! Dec 08 22:31:44 pillar: which network tools work? Dec 08 22:31:58 javispedro wget, scp Dec 08 22:32:07 apt-get Dec 08 22:32:44 it wasn't working at one point, so I did copy resolv.conf, but that has been days Dec 08 22:33:25 pillar: so this is your app's problem... because you're probably waiting for icd2 to signal there's internet -- like the app mgr does. Dec 08 22:33:46 crashanddie mod me, i'm not around often enough to abuse the power Dec 08 22:33:59 or... really... ever Dec 08 22:34:03 pillar: or maybe you missed some resolv.conf files Dec 08 22:34:13 in the /scratchbox directory Dec 08 22:34:34 javispedro: ok, how do I achieve that then? I mean, there has to be a way to debug apps that require network connection Dec 08 22:34:58 Is anyone here using DosBox on their trusty N900's? Dec 08 22:35:30 "trusty" is not a word I'd use for N900 Dec 08 22:35:47 can't trust something with blobs Dec 08 22:35:57 mine's been pretty trusty thus far Dec 08 22:36:11 Xisdibik: ...yes? Dec 08 22:36:30 Gadgetoid: you talk to me like I have any powers on the fora Dec 08 22:36:37 pillar: don't remember the connection detection details, so try do the resolv.conf one first Dec 08 22:36:37 can i ask more than for the ability to idle irc all day on wifi with something that fits in my pocket Dec 08 22:36:47 mine too, I don't know how people have this thing rebooting all the time, I have only had a couple and they have been because battery ran out Dec 08 22:36:49 pillar: find every resolv.conf file under /scratchbox and check if they're fixed Dec 08 22:37:07 javispedro: ok I'll do that thanks Dec 08 22:37:31 crashanddie I haven't got the foggiest what powers anyone has.... and don't really care... unless they can see through clothing Dec 08 22:37:38 I reboot mine only once in a while, usually to recover memory as at some point pdfreader won't open docs any longer. Other than that, it's been very stable. Dec 08 22:37:44 but I want a bigger battery. Dec 08 22:38:12 just use a portable top up charger hardaker2 Dec 08 22:38:18 GeneralAntilles: go boy, go: Dec 08 22:38:22 shit, ctrl paste afil Dec 08 22:38:23 Gadgetoid: ugh. Dec 08 22:38:24 fail Dec 08 22:38:26 aargggh Dec 08 22:38:28 also called a netbook Dec 08 22:38:30 javispedro: is there a fix for the keys that dont work? Dec 08 22:38:34 GeneralAntilles: go boy, go: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36344 Dec 08 22:38:41 javispedro: as i cant get a / which makes it hard to mount stuff :) Dec 08 22:38:46 Xisdibik: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35244 Dec 08 22:38:58 arigatou javispedro Dec 08 22:39:03 Xisdibik: the answer is "not yet", though Dec 08 22:39:35 you still need your 30 minutes? ;) Dec 08 22:40:13 yeah, had to fill today's free 30 minutes with searching some "lost thread" in a 5 GiB phpBB database because of a phpBB glitch. Dec 08 22:40:35 Developer question: Can I do something to get a hildon pannablearea to jerk less when doing inertial scrolling of an image? Dec 08 22:40:45 javispedro: yuck, that doesnt sound fun :/ Dec 08 22:41:47 woah a dude from WinCE wondering why the n900 lacks polished core functionality ... which it doesnt anyway Dec 08 22:42:59 the iphone is soooo boooring Dec 08 22:43:00 lack of polished core functionality? Dec 08 22:43:11 its impossible to copy stuff Dec 08 22:43:11 Gadgetoid lol Dec 08 22:43:12 with pc suite Dec 08 22:43:14 to phone.. Dec 08 22:43:34 javispedro: I think I got it working, you were right, there was still one resolv.conf with wrong settings Dec 08 22:43:46 how to access samba shared folder Dec 08 22:43:48 from n900 Dec 08 22:43:55 i hate this pc-suite crap Dec 08 22:43:57 well complaining that people keep saying "get an ipod" or "get an iphone" every time someone criticises the n900 Dec 08 22:44:04 Ceron^: no way so far, unless someone uploaded samba to extras Dec 08 22:44:07 Ceron^, without smbclient? you dont. but I heard it is easy to compile. Dec 08 22:44:15 :( Dec 08 22:44:16 use ftp Ceron Dec 08 22:44:19 i cant even get one ftp! Dec 08 22:44:20 or sftp Dec 08 22:44:22 mp3 Dec 08 22:44:23 lol Dec 08 22:44:28 uplaoded with pc suite Dec 08 22:44:30 use the cable and mass storage mode Dec 08 22:44:45 i use ftp to grab files to my n900... or bittorrent Dec 08 22:45:09 they put mass storage for a reason. say no to pc suite mode (just in case some uy decides in the future to only have "pc suite" mode) Dec 08 22:45:11 ooh :D Dec 08 22:45:15 mass storage mode Dec 08 22:45:17 works fine thx Dec 08 22:45:18 s/uy/guy Dec 08 22:45:23 scp: easiest way to go. Dec 08 22:45:23 always tried pc suite way Dec 08 22:45:33 or even sshfs if you really want (I've done it) Dec 08 22:45:44 * hardaker2 goes off to port the NFS modules. Dec 08 22:46:01 i like to use scp over wifi Dec 08 22:46:01 haha sshfs Dec 08 22:46:13 "port" the nfs modules? Dec 08 22:46:15 hardaker2 there is nothing to port Dec 08 22:46:24 anyway, new psx4all video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUdRFapNLDI Dec 08 22:46:24 you can even use samba Dec 08 22:46:25 i will stick with my softy ftp solution :) Dec 08 22:46:37 I haven't actually tried; I'm just surprised no one mentioned it so I figured nokia left them out by default. Dec 08 22:46:54 ~seen pupnik Dec 08 22:47:02 this reminds me Dec 08 22:47:10 javis lol Dec 08 22:47:15 ~seen bot Dec 08 22:47:21 where's qwerty? Dec 08 22:47:24 didn't see him for a while? Dec 08 22:47:38 seen the n900s tilde key Dec 08 22:47:41 javispedro, spot him a while back at tmo Dec 08 22:47:43 ali1234: good job! Dec 08 22:48:49 i just found out the psx4all git repo is a year and a half old Dec 08 22:48:55 i bet they have faster code by now Dec 08 22:49:01 that happens, email the maintainers Dec 08 22:49:11 (i personally find the gp2x/pandora a bit sloppy on that regard) Dec 08 22:49:20 yeah, zod is on holiday for xmas tho Dec 08 22:49:22 *the xxx guys Dec 08 22:49:22 where i can find nfs-client for n800 ? Dec 08 22:49:31 Pandora is god!!!!!!!!! heathen Dec 08 22:49:38 integer? Dec 08 22:50:06 integer just compile mount and nfs modul Dec 08 22:50:41 there is now any repo with already compiled? Dec 08 22:50:52 i think there is, for diablo. Dec 08 22:51:05 s/now/no/ Dec 08 22:51:32 * ali1234 waits for all the "zomg where i get file?" comments Dec 08 22:52:18 ali1234: ah yeah, welcome to the emulator porters club. get your spam filters ready. Dec 08 22:53:01 compiled kernel with nfs-module is not in the repo right Dec 08 22:53:10 there's no need to recompile the kernel Dec 08 22:53:43 wanna walk into Pompeii's ruins? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pompeii,+italy+ruins&sll=40.716428,14.537315&sspn=0.061672,0.132351&ie=UTF8&hq=pompeii,+italy+ruins&hnear=&ll=40.748902,14.484834&spn=0,359.991728&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.748902,14.484834&panoid=1e-bu_kis-dL1BnVGZhDdw&cbp=12,209.48,,0,7.63 Dec 08 22:53:49 javis only modul? Dec 08 22:54:00 woglinde: module, and maybe nfs-utils or portmap Dec 08 22:54:11 oh hi Anidel! Dec 08 22:54:28 hi Javi Dec 08 22:54:53 how to get "newest messages on desktop" Dec 08 22:54:54 on the n900 Dec 08 22:54:58 :l Dec 08 22:55:41 uploading 112Mb of images to flickr.com via N900..let's see Dec 08 22:56:25 hardaker2: are fuse compiled in on the n900? Dec 08 22:57:01 yes Dec 08 22:57:45 so all i need to do is get sshfs compiled for armel? Dec 08 22:58:22 isnt that already packaged? Dec 08 22:58:37 maybe extras-* devel or testing Dec 08 22:58:47 not in standard extras atleast Dec 08 23:00:17 in -devel it is, nice Dec 08 23:11:26 redeeman: no... I mount the other direction. from my linux desktop to the n900 Dec 08 23:11:42 I don't know about the reverse as I haven't tried it. Dec 08 23:11:52 apparently its there Dec 08 23:15:43 is there a flashlight widget? something to turn on the camera leds and leave them on for extended periods of time? Dec 08 23:16:14 (for n900) Dec 08 23:18:09 hmm. liqtorch and moodlight claim to have flashlight modes, but i'd need to enable extras-testing? Dec 08 23:18:24 you could probably make a simple shellscript Dec 08 23:18:31 they are probably controlled via the leds class Dec 08 23:18:41 hello all Dec 08 23:18:53 which shell scripts are object oriented? Dec 08 23:18:54 anyone that knows if the community provided qt4 can set portrait mode? Dec 08 23:19:02 i guess perl, but bleh Dec 08 23:19:07 pwnguin: you do not need objected oriented to do that Dec 08 23:19:15 but i can tell how how the leds framework works Dec 08 23:19:27 basically its just a file Dec 08 23:19:34 and you write a value in it, to control the led strength Dec 08 23:19:38 does the maemo 4 evince package work on the n900? Dec 08 23:19:39 (some leds only support on/off though) Dec 08 23:19:47 sorry, i thought you had a specific meaning for class Dec 08 23:20:00 did the nintendo emulator disappear from extras-testing? Dec 08 23:20:04 pwnguin: ah, i mean a class in linux Dec 08 23:20:06 pwnguin: the kernel Dec 08 23:20:14 pwnguin: look at /sys/class/leds Dec 08 23:20:27 redeeman: the most kernel hacking ive done is a MINIX course Dec 08 23:20:27 I remember installing it a few weeks ago.. it was name iNES or something.. Dec 08 23:20:53 pwnguin: you need not touch the kernel source at all, you just manage the devices via files Dec 08 23:21:16 redeeman: then i guess it's a shell script after all ;) Dec 08 23:21:26 or a c++ app if you want :P Dec 08 23:21:38 but i think liqtorch does what i need? Dec 08 23:21:42 hmm i might write such an app Dec 08 23:21:47 oh i don't know that app Dec 08 23:21:51 me either Dec 08 23:21:52 do you have a link? Dec 08 23:22:00 http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqtorch/ Dec 08 23:22:30 the question is, how dangerous is extras-testing, really? Dec 08 23:23:06 only as much as the stuff you install Dec 08 23:23:27 so how exactly does this thing work? Dec 08 23:23:40 can i upload a new liqtorch with higher version? Dec 08 23:23:54 or is that package owned by the maintaner? Dec 08 23:24:12 I have had no major issues with testing Dec 08 23:24:29 ie, can someone without clue upgrade libraries or python or something Dec 08 23:24:45 i know ubuntu's still struggling somewhat with group permissions Dec 08 23:25:41 just looked at liqtorch source Dec 08 23:25:48 does not appear to have any code to turn on/off the lights Dec 08 23:26:36 i cant even gather what that thing does Dec 08 23:26:46 liqtorch just displays a white screen I thought Dec 08 23:27:02 yeah i think so too Dec 08 23:27:02 hmm Dec 08 23:27:06 it certainly doesn't poke sysfs Dec 08 23:27:20 i'll look at the moodlight code Dec 08 23:27:30 i dont think moodlight does it either Dec 08 23:27:37 did the n810 have a camera Dec 08 23:28:16 moodlight also appears to just display stuff Dec 08 23:28:33 well pwnguin, it should be easy to make a program that can turn it on/off Dec 08 23:29:15 liqtorch just displays a white screen I thought Dec 08 23:29:21 pwnguin, what do you mean "did" Dec 08 23:30:04 well, #maemo has been divided already... when's tmo scission? Dec 08 23:30:35 * n900ev11 wishes there was a way to not connect to a net that you explicitly disconnected from. Dec 08 23:31:10 n810 is in its prime, awesome tablet, good library of software and cheap spare batteries... and a crappy front camera with littlem practical use Dec 08 23:32:19 although i pretty much only use mine as an ebook reader now Dec 08 23:33:43 pwnguin: damn, seems like its not registered in the leds framework Dec 08 23:34:31 hm there is something wrong in the sdk somehow Dec 08 23:34:48 linking with -L /usr/lib -lX11 dont works really Dec 08 23:34:49 redeeman: maybe it's tied into the camera chip directly? Dec 08 23:35:26 problem with libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 Dec 08 23:35:39 pwnguin: that's a definite possibility, theres no other good reason not to have it there Dec 08 23:35:53 Gadgetoid: as in the n810 is in the past, and n900 is the future :P Dec 08 23:35:56 (for six months) Dec 08 23:35:58 that would be somewhat annoying though, i used the light alot on my previous phone Dec 08 23:37:04 btw is 810 still in production? Dec 08 23:37:24 Arkenoi dont think so Dec 08 23:37:28 i wubb my n810... fbreader will have to improve in leaps and bounds on the n900 before i retire it Dec 08 23:37:53 Hey guys... what products other then the NITs/n900s run Maemo... I'd love an n810 or n800 but... it's out of my price range... I can't find anything on google. Any help? Dec 08 23:38:06 anyone intressed in imagemagick for fremantle? Dec 08 23:38:26 paddy_melon: there's like an n700, but thats really pushing history Dec 08 23:38:40 woglinde: why not use graphicsmagick Dec 08 23:38:53 pwnguin... hasn't Maemo been ported to other devices? Dec 08 23:39:10 pwnguin because the package I really wanted has dep against libmagick++ Dec 08 23:39:23 paddy_melon: you want mer, the open source version Dec 08 23:39:34 woglinde: chances are it will work with graphicsmagick aswell Dec 08 23:39:37 ok... what runs mer then? Dec 08 23:39:58 ( redeeman: maybe it's tied into the camera chip directly?) you bet it is Dec 08 23:40:05 maybee it has the same deps as imagemagick Dec 08 23:40:20 DocScrutinizer: that's bad Dec 08 23:40:52 woglinde: if it's tied to a lib, it needs symbols to be the same; i know theres a compatible cli, not sure if the libs are too Dec 08 23:41:03 thought about putting fotoflash LED to purpose as well Dec 08 23:41:38 think you need to talk camera into lighting it up Dec 08 23:41:39 DocScrutinizer: that's a huge fuckup on nokias part, it should have been outside the cover, and able to be turned on at will Dec 08 23:41:39 Welcome SpeedEvi1 Dec 08 23:41:46 paddy_melon: name a device that's like the n800 Dec 08 23:41:47 hm same deps despit of openexr Dec 08 23:41:55 openexr segfaults at compiling Dec 08 23:41:58 redeeman: I agree Dec 08 23:42:07 pwnguin... I'm not sure... say a Q5 or other MID? Dec 08 23:42:09 basically Dec 08 23:42:30 paddy_melon: there's also a #mer channel Dec 08 23:42:38 ok Dec 08 23:42:39 * SpeedEvi1 sighs. Dec 08 23:42:39 thanks Dec 08 23:42:53 SpeedEvi1: ehazzup? Dec 08 23:42:53 its mostly populated by users whose devices have been left behind Dec 08 23:43:20 paddy_melon: "*" Dec 08 23:43:21 Mer runs on : 770, N800, N810, FreeRunner, SmartQ5, SmartQ7, Beagleboard, and to some degree on Zaurus, Loox; we'd like to support other devices too... talk to us. Dec 08 23:43:44 rede: it's a seperate led driver chip on the IWOMAN bus Dec 08 23:43:44 i know it ran on my virtualbox Dec 08 23:43:48 err Dec 08 23:43:58 I2C Dec 08 23:44:15 SpeedEvi1: for the fotoflash? Dec 08 23:44:46 how do you screw up IWOMAN and i2c? Dec 08 23:44:59 those keys are nowhere near each other Dec 08 23:45:04 SpeedEvi1: well I dunno for sure. but usually you control those from cam directly Dec 08 23:45:14 i wonder whom one should contact within nokia to have them not do this shit on next device Dec 08 23:45:40 docs: apparantly Dec 08 23:45:49 also, who decided to abbreviate iic i2c? Dec 08 23:45:51 tell them the stand sucks bals whilst you are at it redeeman Dec 08 23:46:02 haha yeah it does Dec 08 23:46:03 pwn: autocomplete Dec 08 23:46:08 pwnguin: EE did that looong ago Dec 08 23:46:19 DocScrutinizer: it saves no space! Dec 08 23:46:23 EE folks even Dec 08 23:46:31 i mean hardcore superballs... how the fuck did it pass muster... its useless Dec 08 23:46:35 as does A2DP Dec 08 23:46:46 i uaw my n810 to prop up my n900 Dec 08 23:46:53 at least w3c is shorter than wwwc Dec 08 23:46:58 also - drill 2 holes, fill with clear, and you have leds Dec 08 23:47:05 however Dec 08 23:47:31 flash leds probably aren't continually rated Dec 08 23:48:06 SpeedEvil: perhaps not, but the ones on my SE phones have been running for more than 24 hours straight once Dec 08 23:48:17 and i've been using the led atleast ~10 min every day for more than a year Dec 08 23:48:34 it uses one of those special weird leds Dec 08 23:48:36 args graphmagics drags in transfig which needs texlive Dec 08 23:48:37 Oh. Dec 08 23:48:40 nokia could use those aswell Dec 08 23:48:47 redeeman: it's compromises Dec 08 23:48:49 night all Dec 08 23:48:50 one of those are atleast as powerful as the two the nokia have Dec 08 23:48:58 SpeedEvi1: yes, but seems you can dim it to a 100% duty cycle Dec 08 23:48:58 redeeman: power LEDs are quite hard to heatsink right Dec 08 23:49:06 transfig? Dec 08 23:49:09 SpeedEvil: that's REALLY powerful ones Dec 08 23:49:46 redeeman: And some have very limited rated lifes. As in a couple of hours. Dec 08 23:49:52 As they are intended for flash use. Dec 08 23:50:20 woglinde: as a build-dep? Dec 08 23:50:27 well.. again, the ONE in my SE phone has been in use ~10 min every day for a year, and sometimes i forgot it on for more than a day, and it works fine Dec 08 23:50:27 SpeedEvil: but lifetime goes thru the roof if you go down to maybe 25% of max power Dec 08 23:50:34 DocScrutinizer: yes Dec 08 23:50:35 and its as powerful as the two in the N900 Dec 08 23:50:44 redeeman: sure. Powerful is quite irrelevant. Dec 08 23:51:04 redeeman: The important fact is the datasheets of the LED involved, and the heatsinking. Dec 08 23:51:04 redeeman: that means exactly nuttin Dec 08 23:51:07 re Dec 08 23:51:19 DocScrutinizer: it means that nokia could do the same, that's what my point is Dec 08 23:51:23 SpeedEvil: yo Dec 08 23:51:26 Having said that - at 25% output, I'd be quite comfortable saying it's ok. Dec 08 23:51:34 redeeman: There are always compromises. Dec 08 23:51:40 redeeman: except you can build it cheap or reliable Dec 08 23:51:41 yes well.. this is one there didn't have to be Dec 08 23:51:53 pwnguin: i doubt its cheaper that way Dec 08 23:52:00 and its certainly not unreliable Dec 08 23:52:01 redeeman: size/space/heatsinking/cost/life are a real tradeoff for LEDs. Dec 08 23:52:12 redeeman: and yes, it is actually cheaper that way in some cases. Dec 08 23:52:14 SpeedEvil: make that 10% and you bet you're safe side of fence Dec 08 23:52:22 redeeman: have you ever priced bright leds? Dec 08 23:52:26 SpeedEvil: theres no heatsink on that led, and life has been exceptional, and MANY other people do that Dec 08 23:52:31 why can't i do something like? wget --no-check-certificate https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/mr0/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5_armel.deb I feel i'm missing something obvious? I just want to grab the stock kernel debs.... Dec 08 23:52:41 redeeman: And that is one LED, of one design, it says little about others. Dec 08 23:52:55 pwnguin: im not talking those insane leds, it costs maybe $2-4 in retail for such a LED, when nokia buys, ALOT less Dec 08 23:53:03 jebba: why not grab them from extras? Dec 08 23:53:09 or the standard repo? Dec 08 23:53:10 SpeedEvil: what it says is that its doable, and its something that adds alot of use Dec 08 23:53:12 nvm http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ Dec 08 23:53:17 redeeman: Shaving $.5 off the cost of a LED circuit by overdriving it is _IMPORTANT_ if you're making phones. Dec 08 23:53:30 redeeman: I'm actually not interested in that utterly non-EE approach to the issue Dec 08 23:53:36 i would have paid $10 more for this Dec 08 23:53:51 redeeman: And no, things that are not key design factors for the phone are not specced. Dec 08 23:54:11 this is a key feature, its something many people use Dec 08 23:54:14 redeeman: So you can't say you can safely use the LEDs 100% of the time, or plug it directly into a car battery, or use it to open walnuts. Dec 08 23:54:23 redeeman: im sure you would, but everyone has a different ten dollar addon, and the end result is a phone nobody can afford Dec 08 23:54:35 who said they needed to say any garantuee? Dec 08 23:54:39 redeeman: that does not matter. What matters if, at spec time - the 'LEDs must run continuously' was in there. Dec 08 23:54:51 SpeedEvil: thaks. couldn't have put it better Dec 08 23:54:59 who said it must run continously? Dec 08 23:55:01 nobody did, except you Dec 08 23:55:14 i said the SE phone CAN Dec 08 23:55:14 you want to trigger a flash? Dec 08 23:55:18 theres a distinct difference Dec 08 23:55:34 redeeman: where continuously is designed to work for well over 5s at a time. Dec 08 23:55:43 and then you lept from SE can to "so can n900" Dec 08 23:55:48 lardman|home: ah, but that doesnt have kernel-flasher for some reason hmm Dec 08 23:56:05 SpeedEvil: and as i've said, a single led that needs no heatsink can do this, so what's the issue? Dec 08 23:56:31 jebba: the flasher is not open afaik, you download that elsewhere Dec 08 23:56:39 redeeman: you're free to hack your device and plug in your led Dec 08 23:56:41 redeeman: because some LED datasheets I have seen that are labelled for flash use are not specified to be used at their flash rating all of the time. Dec 08 23:56:42 redeeman: you sound like santa claus talking bout easter Dec 08 23:56:44 * timeless_mbp frowns Dec 08 23:57:07 SpeedEvil: so it must actually say "for flash usage", nevermind what the product actually can do, is that how stupid the people involved are? Dec 08 23:57:08 redeeman: and there are of course no data published on the nokia design. Dec 08 23:57:17 redeeman: No, of course not. Dec 08 23:57:23 lardman|home: i meant the package named kernel-flasher, not the maemo_flasher program. They are different. `dpkg -l | grep kernel` on your system, you'll see a kernel-flasher deb Dec 08 23:57:32 i'll bet you the datasheet for the ram piece they buy doesn't say: "for storing photos in" Dec 08 23:57:52 redeeman: please stop trolling Dec 08 23:57:58 redeeman: it sounds the only thing that you'll believe is the actual LED specsheet. Dec 08 23:57:59 DocScrutinizer: you sound like you do not understand what im trying to say Dec 08 23:58:04 jebba: nope, I don't see that in Fremantle SDK Dec 08 23:58:06 redeeman: The LED has a maximum pulse rating - this is used for flash often. Dec 08 23:58:23 i know i saw a teardown of n900, is there a BOP yet? Dec 08 23:58:26 redeeman: It is not rated - for thermal and other reasons - for continual use at this current Dec 08 23:58:33 though identifying leds must be damn near impossible Dec 08 23:58:33 redeeman: would you use the flash on your actual camera to light your living room? Dec 08 23:58:41 lardman|home: the kernel-flasher .deb gets built along with the kernel-modules and kernel.deb, so i'm surprised its not in the same dir Dec 08 23:58:57 (me trows dice on leaving chan or /ignore redee* Dec 08 23:59:10 jebba: fair enough Dec 08 23:59:22 crashanddie: i can only conclude you haven't read what i wrote, i do NOT want to have it on constantly, what i want is to have a light with my always, so for instance if its dark and i need to find something, like the lock on a door or something Dec 08 23:59:31 or when i walk my dog at night Dec 08 23:59:36 not long periods Dec 08 23:59:40 redeeman: continously means longer than milliseconds Dec 08 23:59:47 redeeman: install liqtorch Dec 09 00:00:02 lardman|home: what do you get if you just download it? I think you can do something like `apt-get -d install kernel-flasher` or something (yumdownloader is what i would use in fedora space, not sure of equiv with apt) Dec 09 00:00:04 if you just want a flash, well, take a picture of the dark Dec 09 00:00:06 pwnguin: and as for you, you say i only care about the specsheet, i specifically said i didn't care about the datasheet, as long as the device can do what i want Dec 09 00:00:10 redeeman: everything >10sec is a prolonged period for hardware Dec 09 00:00:31 jebba: It's not available afaict Dec 09 00:00:33 redeeman: The datasheet does not say it can. If you exceed the limits - it is free to burn out. Dec 09 00:00:38 redeeman: the spec sheet's the only thing that can be trusted, as the manufacturer is liable if it's wrong Dec 09 00:00:49 jebba: apt-get install Dec 09 00:01:06 redeeman: And some actually will if used continuously. Some will not - but... Dec 09 00:01:10 i see, so your point is that theres no leds that officially supports this? because that's fine then Dec 09 00:01:12 redeeman: did it say in the spec that the flash could stay on for more than a few milliseconds? Dec 09 00:01:22 so did your n900 ship :) Dec 09 00:01:23 redeeman: no - many LEDs do. Dec 09 00:01:25 redeeman: did the features include torch or pocketlight? Dec 09 00:01:39 redeeman: the point was we dont know whether these LEDs condone it; they might, they might not Dec 09 00:01:45 SpeedEvil: just find the sysnode for redeeman and ask him to report how long the LED took to burn out. Everybody happy ;-) Dec 09 00:01:46 crashanddie: you are not staying on topic, i didn't claim anything said that, i said i WANTED that feature Dec 09 00:01:57 I've got some nice 16W LED arrays, get rather warm though Dec 09 00:02:01 well then stop ranting about it Dec 09 00:02:04 lardman|home: i meant do download the actual .deb itself. I kind of pooched things up and am trying to recover. Long story heh. I just want this deb, basically: kernel-flasher 2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5 but dont see it anywhere (neither does google) Dec 09 00:02:04 redeeman: Is the LED in the n900 one, and is it, all the power supply circuitry, and the thermal environment it's in all capable of doing it. Dec 09 00:02:10 you've made your point, fair enough, now let's move on Dec 09 00:02:26 i don't appear to Dec 09 00:02:33 because you're all arguing against points im not trying to make Dec 09 00:02:40 ok, let me help you Dec 09 00:02:43 jebba: and I meant that apt-get doesn't see it from scratchbox, so I can't. Sorry Dec 09 00:02:51 i wonder what the rest of users are doing? Dec 09 00:02:58 plus I'm compiling BLAS atm Dec 09 00:03:12 The LED flash is driven by the adp1653 module Dec 09 00:03:14 lardman|home: ah gotcha. thanks for checking tho :) Dec 09 00:03:16 in the kernel Dec 09 00:03:27 "Hey guys, wouldn't it have been awesome if the N900 supported a feature where we could use the camera led to light our environment for a few seconds? Oh well, maybe in the next version of the platform. Can I put feature requests in somewhere for the next releases? Thanks" Dec 09 00:03:36 redeeman: copy paste the above, then /quit Dec 09 00:03:37 SpeedEvil: now U r talking :-D Dec 09 00:03:50 heh Dec 09 00:04:12 crashanddie: yet that wasnt what we were arguing about, you and the others came with insane arguments against points i had never tried to make Dec 09 00:04:26 * Arkenoi is really annoyed with dirt collecting border around n900 screen - what is it for, really? Dec 09 00:04:37 so how to get rid of the red lite while recording video? Dec 09 00:04:55 "Package kernel-flasher is not available, but is referred to by another package." :( Dec 09 00:04:56 redeeman: people interpreted what you said differently than you intended; comparing the existing leds to other leds Dec 09 00:05:08 redeeman: then make your bloody point already? The only thing I've seen you do is: " That's not what I'm talking about, you're wrong, I'm not listening to you?"... Rinse and repeat Dec 09 00:05:13 Arkenoi: Firmware update in 6 monts for $50 will peel off the bits to reveal a 4.5" screen. Dec 09 00:05:23 :-)) Dec 09 00:05:35 crashanddie: i did, i said that SE had a led that can do this, and that means nokia could get that too, but apparently you are unable to read it, and just kept on trolling Dec 09 00:05:39 Arkenoi: practically - packing stuff into a mobile phone is _hard_. Dec 09 00:06:03 redeeman: nokia can - of course they can - nobody is arguing that. The point is that you can't assume from the fact that they can that they have. Dec 09 00:06:14 i would kill for a 4.5 to 5 inch n900 Dec 09 00:06:18 SpeedEvil: and the great part is, i _NEVER_ did Dec 09 00:06:22 Sachin007: me too. Dec 09 00:06:29 SpeedEvil: i said i WANTED that, not that they had done it Dec 09 00:06:32 me too Dec 09 00:06:46 wonder what is stopping them? Dec 09 00:06:49 yes, actually, you were. Dec 09 00:06:53 though i've seen damn many people complaining that n900 is big and they want n97-mini size Dec 09 00:06:55 SpeedEvil: care to point out when? Dec 09 00:06:56 assholes Dec 09 00:07:11 redeeman, that's starting to get annoyingly noisy spam Dec 09 00:07:15 yeah have multiple devices.... who said no? Dec 09 00:07:45 SpeedEvil: i wanted to use the led for that before i realized it was impossible due to not having control, and then i started talking about how nokia should make this feature for next device, that's all Dec 09 00:07:59 DocScrutinizer51: well if you had read what i actually wrote, this wouldn't have come this far Dec 09 00:08:05 we are going to have only one new maemo phone next year and i am almost sure it will have no qwerty Dec 09 00:08:24 and a capactive screen Dec 09 00:08:24 do u guys think we may have a keyboard less variant next year? Dec 09 00:08:29 *sigh* Dec 09 00:08:33 bye Dec 09 00:08:37 too much Dec 09 00:08:40 is it known when that maemo devices comes out next year? Dec 09 00:08:43 :( Dec 09 00:08:58 nokia said semi-officially that there will be just one Dec 09 00:09:01 so no more resisitve screens? Dec 09 00:09:06 DocScrutinizer51: just /ignore Dec 09 00:09:43 u think the next devixe will come with maemo 6? Dec 09 00:10:04 i dont think so... may be the one after.. Dec 09 00:12:42 another one bites the dust Dec 09 00:12:45 BLAS this time Dec 09 00:14:35 Okaay. Dec 09 00:14:52 Where can I find a tarball or patches of the n900 kernel? Dec 09 00:14:56 * SpeedEvil fails at google. Dec 09 00:15:06 * lardman|home wonders how fort77 is already in Diablo extras-devel when f2c and libf2c(2) weren't Dec 09 00:15:13 I can find the adp1653 driver being pushed to upstream Dec 09 00:15:21 SpeedEvi1: see the link jebba gave above Dec 09 00:16:15 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ Dec 09 00:16:19 SpeedEvil: you can also run apt-get source kernel Dec 09 00:16:24 ah - right Dec 09 00:16:41 SpeedEvil: i have more docs on kernel building on my page now. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba Dec 09 00:17:00 meh - E: Package gcc has no installation candidate Dec 09 00:17:02 So where are "the allowed user/* sections" listed? Dec 09 00:17:09 :) Dec 09 00:17:13 i've actually got one up and going that I built. Then i did another one, but stupidly installed some old crappy one i did the other day by accident, so i'm trying to recover from that ;) Dec 09 00:17:50 hi jebba Dec 09 00:18:17 heya Dec 09 00:18:34 jebba: thanks - I'm not tracking this stuff as well as I should. Health problems suck. Dec 09 00:18:58 VDVsx, anticipating your request, here are IRC logs for the new channels: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-bugs-irclog/ http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-devel-irclog/ http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ui-irclog/ Dec 09 00:21:56 Ah Dec 09 00:22:04 Cracker Barrel Dec 09 00:22:05 any irc chanops types of gurus who know how i can hand a channel over to VDVsx that i registered? Dec 09 00:22:28 First time I've been really full in days. :D Dec 09 00:23:21 jebba, have you tried chatting to chanserv? /msg chanserv help etc. Dec 09 00:23:30 GAN900: what! airline food not good enough for you?! Dec 09 00:23:32 hmm Dec 09 00:23:48 Looks like the LED driver can do flashlight mode - and there are no huge warnings over the code Dec 09 00:23:59 jebba: ask in #freenode, they'll be able to help Dec 09 00:24:13 seems to be a v4l2 ioctl - this may imply that the camera has to be on with the current implementation - though I have not checked Dec 09 00:26:08 take a look at the gst_photography fns then, you may find one which turns it on all the time Dec 09 00:26:42 SpeedEvi1, sounds promising Dec 09 00:28:04 SpeedEvi1, what scares me a little is the fact you can,t enable video flashlight Dec 09 00:28:36 SpeedEvi1, so much for the warnings Dec 09 00:28:40 are you scared of hte dark? Dec 09 00:29:05 yeah Dec 09 00:30:28 I think these things will present as controls of /dev/video0 Dec 09 00:30:43 Xisdibik: probably not going to have any luck re subtitles with the built-in media player Dec 09 00:30:47 Oh, you renamed user/tools to user/utilities. Dec 09 00:31:05 I guess the former was too short and concise. Dec 09 00:31:20 So you should see 'torch intensity' which is a slider which goes from 0-1 (and has two values) Dec 09 00:31:22 lardman|home: yea i gave up on that, im going to load up mplayer when i really need the subtitles Dec 09 00:31:42 lardman|home: do you think there is a way to like etch the subtitles into the movie using some program on the desktop? Dec 09 00:31:55 SpeedEvi1, should? Dec 09 00:32:08 SpeedEvi1, where? when? Dec 09 00:32:16 * hardaker2 thinks it should go from 0 to 11 Dec 09 00:32:23 Xisdibik: yep that is possible Dec 09 00:32:43 lardman|home: how about taking a movie with more than one audio track and extracting the movie with just one of the audio tracks? Dec 09 00:32:43 Xisdibik: or, as lots of people are moaning about the built in, we just port something that also uses gst Dec 09 00:32:56 Xisdibik: yep all those sorts of things are possible Dec 09 00:33:02 so we've gone from "you can't assume that!" to "i bet this could work?" on the flashtorch? Dec 09 00:33:09 Xisdibik: but I'd prefer to not have to mess around like that tbh Dec 09 00:33:09 lardman|home: know a good program (free preferably) that i could use to do those things with? ;D Dec 09 00:33:43 http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/apps/ Dec 09 00:34:33 hms Dec 09 00:34:36 how to rebind the meta key Dec 09 00:34:42 next build of imagemaick started Dec 09 00:34:53 dislike having esc at the touchscreen Dec 09 00:35:11 tried: /bind å key meta Dec 09 00:35:17 red this is same as n810 Dec 09 00:35:17 but no dice Dec 09 00:35:32 what? Dec 09 00:35:43 esc only as touchscreen key Dec 09 00:36:27 ye, but dont get why rebinding the meta key is such a hazzle Dec 09 00:36:43 aha! Dec 09 00:36:43 cant figure out how to do it in maemo Dec 09 00:37:12 DocScrutinizer: a video player app that can play v4l devices - and present the arbitrarily named controls they may have Dec 09 00:37:27 already binded window changing to qwert.. so i dont need to usefn+ numbers Dec 09 00:37:37 missing the most important Dec 09 00:37:49 Aha = the LEDs must have no more than 320mA pulse for .5s, or 50mA continuous. Dec 09 00:38:08 ./arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-camera.c lines 576-598/754 78% Dec 09 00:38:51 not quite up to my 1.2A ones then ;) Dec 09 00:38:56 woglinde: have you been able to rebind the meta key Dec 09 00:39:14 * SpeedEvil got a shiny new xp-g in the post Dec 09 00:39:23 SpeedEvi1, here you are :-) Dec 09 00:39:29 red didnt try this Dec 09 00:39:36 k Dec 09 00:39:39 lardman|home, nah, European food! :P Dec 09 00:39:39 hmm, fort77 moving to extras-devel not having happened yet, me goes to bed Dec 09 00:39:40 ill keep searching Dec 09 00:39:51 GeneralAntilles: small portion sizes hey? ;) Dec 09 00:39:52 tried 3 different x terminal commands and two different methods inside irssi Dec 09 00:39:54 night all Dec 09 00:41:36 SpeedEvil: wonder how strong 50ma is Dec 09 00:42:32 SpeedEvil: you think the spec sheet has a amperage-runtime curve? Dec 09 00:42:37 pwnguin: probably around 10-15lm Dec 09 00:42:58 pwnguin: this was based on the notes in the kernel driver for the flash chip Dec 09 00:42:58 how to talk screen shot? Dec 09 00:43:05 ie, one minute gets you 60mA Dec 09 00:43:41 SpeedEvil: you said you'd read led spec sheets before, so i was wondering if that was something they published Dec 09 00:43:45 err. you lost me Dec 09 00:44:35 he meant if it can run .5sec with 320mA, how long can it run with 100mA or 60mA Dec 09 00:46:03 no hard figures on any of these Dec 09 00:46:23 ctrl-shift-p Dec 09 00:46:32 pwnguin: typically not. Dec 09 00:46:38 nuts Dec 09 00:46:42 pwnguin: they give a pulse and a continuous figure Dec 09 00:46:45 DocScrutinizer? Dec 09 00:46:54 pwnguin: cashew, pecan, peanut, almond? Dec 09 00:47:16 I lost me sometime back in 1985, you're not unique. Dec 09 00:47:47 SpeedEvi1, Q: how long on 100mA. A: no facts. not tested. not guaranteed Dec 09 00:48:13 SpeedEvil: im guessing the curve would pretty much be a step function anyways Dec 09 00:48:30 ie, you cant go much above 50 for long Dec 09 00:48:47 guessing won't help though Dec 09 00:49:02 estimating Dec 09 00:49:14 UMA sounds pretty cool. Anyone using it? Dec 09 00:49:31 you simply *must* not go over 50mA for longer than 0.5 Dec 09 00:49:56 oh Dec 09 00:50:03 everything else is handwaving Dec 09 00:50:06 yes. Dec 09 00:50:23 I would - however - be astonished if you got any damage at 55mA if it's on for a week even. Dec 09 00:50:38 yesyes Dec 09 00:50:39 but - that is in the handwavy area Dec 09 00:50:54 good nite Dec 09 00:50:54 dmj7261: i heard the n900 didnt support it Dec 09 00:51:20 but given physiological facts of light perception it also won't make amy difference Dec 09 00:51:21 It would typically be something like you can assume pretty safely that 170mA for 1s is safe. Dec 09 00:51:25 for user Dec 09 00:51:54 SpeedEvil: now that's handywavy Dec 09 00:52:15 hmm. i think i've asked this before... But how do i tell from which repo i got a package (e.g. from extras, extras-testing, etc)? Dec 09 00:52:27 i guess the most important question is how that output compares with the damn screen Dec 09 00:52:50 jebba: apt-cache policy pkg-name Dec 09 00:53:10 pwnguin: thx := Dec 09 00:53:40 pwnguin: lots better. /me tries to relate it to a measure people might be familiar with. Dec 09 00:54:16 pwnguin: it's going to be brighter significantly than the little keychain 1 LED torches. Dec 09 00:54:18 yea, perceptions a drag man Dec 09 00:54:26 SpeedEvil: at 50mA? Dec 09 00:54:27 pwnguin: actually that doesn't show it. http://pastebin.ca/1707697 Dec 09 00:54:49 alternative theory Dec 09 00:54:51 pwnguin: yes - they are probably running more like 30mA - and are probably generally less efficient LEds Dec 09 00:54:53 Nightvision! Dec 09 00:54:56 Xisdibik: Where'd you find that? Dec 09 00:54:58 Is it worth going maemo on t-mobile? Dec 09 00:55:04 N900 Dec 09 00:55:05 dmj7261: uk? Dec 09 00:55:20 dmj7261: was on a thread on maemo talk i think, let me see if the school connection is good enough to find it quickly ;) Dec 09 00:55:29 US on tmobile? Dec 09 00:55:33 iDialekt: it handles tmobile 3g, if thats what you mean Dec 09 00:55:37 iDialekt: what does it have to do with T-Mobile? bad connectivity? Dec 09 00:55:39 ah. Dec 09 00:56:11 some basics about LEDs: they usually don't burn out in a sudden. Rathermthey deteriorate and get dim. This is a process that starts to get much faster on higher currents as well as hifgher temperature Dec 09 00:56:33 or being shit. Dec 09 00:56:49 yeah tmobile is perfect for n900 Dec 09 00:56:54 I have some LEDs from ebay that at their nominal power reach around 5% brightness in a month. Dec 09 00:57:04 A fun way to burn out LEDs is to forget the current limiting resistor in series. Dec 09 00:57:12 also u get the 10$ unlimited internet for phones Dec 09 00:57:19 smells quite bad. :) Dec 09 00:57:25 dmj7261: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32388&highlight=UMA&page=3 << I think this is it, but im not 100% sure Dec 09 00:57:42 Any ideas how to rebind the meta key in maemo? Dec 09 00:57:46 dmj7261: yes, US tmobile Dec 09 00:57:47 or any resources Dec 09 00:57:48 heh, its amazing (to me) how much people study LEDs Dec 09 00:57:53 i use tmobile Dec 09 00:57:53 t-mobile UK is more awesome perhaps. 25 quid - including a SIM - gets you internet for 6 months and nothing else to pay Dec 09 00:58:01 pwnguin: Well just wondering how they are as a carrier Dec 09 00:58:09 SpeedEvi1: ive heard that phrase from you like 500 times ;) Dec 09 00:58:32 iDialekt: ive just been using tmo as a prepaid sim; data over wifi Dec 09 00:58:33 i swiched from at&t call clarify is phenomenal Dec 09 00:58:39 pwnguin: the field is coming on amazingly. A decade ago, the most efficient white LED was perhaps 1/10th as efficient as now. Dec 09 00:58:40 SpeedEvi1: im very happy that you can pay 25 squids for a SIM card and 6 months internet, we dont have that option here ;) Dec 09 00:58:50 Sorry :) Dec 09 00:58:56 3g speeds are also good Dec 09 00:59:06 Sachin: Yeah they use full hmr while AT&T uses half Dec 09 00:59:13 my 3.6mbps 3g costs 9,9e/month Dec 09 00:59:15 Big call quality difference Dec 09 00:59:16 pwnguin: To the extent that if they repeated that in the next 10 years, the LED would create more energy in light than it uses in electricity. Dec 09 00:59:17 i pay 60$ after taxes for 1000mins and data Dec 09 00:59:17 i mean, sure, theres people hunting blue leds Dec 09 00:59:21 Wow Dec 09 00:59:31 T-mobile rocks in that departmet Dec 09 00:59:33 Sachin: ur not getting SMS? Dec 09 00:59:38 ouch, 60 dollars for 1000mins and data? Dec 09 00:59:40 Coverage is tolerable? Dec 09 00:59:47 t-mobile will upgrade their 3g to 7.2 Dec 09 00:59:54 without contract Dec 09 00:59:59 but most of my EE friendes seem more interested in things beyond diodes Dec 09 01:00:06 by the end of the year Dec 09 01:00:19 red: im paying 59.99 for 500 minutes + unlimited SMS / Data Dec 09 01:00:20 pwnguin: It all comes down in the end to I/O devices. Dec 09 01:00:31 red: for the same stuff, i had to pay like 101.83 at AT&T Dec 09 01:00:46 pwnguin: be they LEDs, LCDs, or pulsed thermonuclear fusion devices. Dec 09 01:00:50 ya Dec 09 01:00:51 Yeah very soon. Dec 09 01:00:57 tmobile here to Dec 09 01:01:01 Sachin: you on month to month ? Dec 09 01:01:02 xis is that pre tax? Dec 09 01:01:04 good coverage Dec 09 01:01:07 59.99 is not pretax Dec 09 01:01:13 101.83 included taxes and fees Dec 09 01:01:14 ok...I would like to see uma added to the n900 if possible Dec 09 01:01:16 ya Dec 09 01:01:21 also on the 500min plan no contract Dec 09 01:01:31 500 minutes is plenty imho Dec 09 01:01:33 right now i spend 100 a year on tmo Dec 09 01:01:38 ive used like 10 minutes Dec 09 01:01:48 i dont like phone/calls much Dec 09 01:01:49 thats 1000 minutes a year; i donno who the hell complains about too few minutes Dec 09 01:01:51 dmj7261: as would i Dec 09 01:02:03 yeah i will think of changing to 500 mins Dec 09 01:02:03 so yeah plenty for me Dec 09 01:02:07 seems like it would be a killer feature Dec 09 01:02:08 free nights and weekends to Dec 09 01:02:11 i wish there was a cheap data only plan :P Dec 09 01:02:19 simula__: there kinda is Dec 09 01:02:25 what pwnguin? Dec 09 01:02:29 data is 39.99 i think, thats not cheap Dec 09 01:02:32 i donno if they've closed it off Dec 09 01:02:39 there used to be a 10 dollar prepaid plan Dec 09 01:02:42 for data Dec 09 01:02:46 not anymore i think Dec 09 01:02:49 they totally redid their plans Dec 09 01:02:53 (iphone will never have it, and it would boost the value that plans provide as well as massively increasing coverage) Dec 09 01:03:18 (lots of wifi routers in the houses of people who live in rural areas) Dec 09 01:03:22 dmj7261: UMA is apparently not just software based but is hardware based aswell, so dont get your hopes up on it Dec 09 01:03:50 It requires support on the network - and also on the hardware radio Dec 09 01:03:51 if you have unlimited data you may have dirt cheap voice with voip Dec 09 01:03:53 still could be untapped hardware support Dec 09 01:04:01 arkenoi... exactly Dec 09 01:04:07 It is basically 'handing off' to another cell - but that cell is connected over wifi Dec 09 01:04:17 and is a virtual cell at the telcos home office Dec 09 01:04:24 heres a question for you guys, i was enjoying some nice SUper Tux on the train ride today, and when i quit, it was still in mouse mode, and had a big black square covering the screen (i could see my desktop at the edge of the screen just a bit,a nd wouldnt go away, anyone know whats up with that?> Dec 09 01:04:37 So you need the underlying modem hardware to understand that. Dec 09 01:04:48 What about lte 4g? Dec 09 01:05:07 iDialekt: no hardware Dec 09 01:05:14 lte definitely isn't supported unless there's a massive easter egg in there. Dec 09 01:05:46 7.2 mpbs seems plenty reasonable for a mobile anyways Dec 09 01:05:55 mbps* Dec 09 01:05:55 T mobile has been on the bottom of carrier list for sometime Dec 09 01:06:10 T Mobile is vastly underrated imho Dec 09 01:06:22 Xisdibik: power button -> end task do anything? Dec 09 01:06:25 i thought the n900 can handle upto 10 mbps Dec 09 01:06:49 SpeedEvi1: hadnt tried that, i hit poweroff before i realized i could hit end task ^^ Dec 09 01:07:09 Sachin: yea, but tmobile isnt going to up 3G to 10mbps, it will stop at 7.2mbps, and jump after the 3G Dec 09 01:07:10 er 4G* Dec 09 01:07:16 and the = to Dec 09 01:07:39 i think there are much more wimax networks actually deployed than lte at the moment Dec 09 01:09:02 is there an app yet for the n900 for Google Voice? Dec 09 01:09:19 sounds like LTE is going to be deployed more though Dec 09 01:09:29 Xisdibik: i think it already has that builtin Dec 09 01:09:31 yea, LTE will be the next big thing Dec 09 01:09:49 redeeman: where abouts, (and i dont mean Google Talk if your confusing the two) :) Dec 09 01:10:03 Xisdibik: oh, sorry Dec 09 01:10:30 redeeman: np ;) Dec 09 01:12:55 I'm Right on the fence with android and maemo Dec 09 01:13:16 Android is obviously gaining popularity and more widespreaad devices Dec 09 01:14:56 iDialekt, what's more important, quantity or quality? Dec 09 01:15:05 iPhone has more market share than Android. Dec 09 01:15:10 Are you on the fence about that? :P Dec 09 01:15:54 Hmmm well I dunno I guess I'm simply tied to the eco system of my device (iPhone) Dec 09 01:16:19 I want to change but find it hard to switch when I look at everything I want in a device Dec 09 01:16:40 Android is very intuitive and the hardware is finally catching up.. Dec 09 01:16:58 The n900 seemed like it had a slight learning curve to it Dec 09 01:17:04 Portrait mode enabled yet? Dec 09 01:17:54 iDialekt: no Dec 09 01:17:59 iDialekt: but it hasnt bothered me yet Dec 09 01:18:16 Yeah but it bothered me upon using it Dec 09 01:18:20 iDialekt, meh. Dec 09 01:18:23 (just being honest) Dec 09 01:18:26 Portrait is largely overrated Dec 09 01:18:29 plus there is a growing list of alternate apps that support portrait mode Dec 09 01:18:33 and really not particularly useful in Maemo. Dec 09 01:18:36 * Xisdibik agrees with GeneralAntilles Dec 09 01:18:39 I know I know. But for me it's not Dec 09 01:18:47 I do a lot one handed Dec 09 01:18:51 the first truly user-oriented (not a geek toy) android phone is out not long time ago Dec 09 01:18:51 iDialekt: Apple store is that way ;) Dec 09 01:18:52 for example midori browser has portrait mode support Dec 09 01:19:14 PR1.1 has portrait browsing Dec 09 01:19:14 so there is no surprise iPhone has bigger market share at the moment Dec 09 01:19:16 GeneralAntilles, ack Dec 09 01:19:18 Arkenoi: which one are you referring to? Dec 09 01:19:21 Should be out in a few weeks, apparently. Dec 09 01:19:25 Hero, for sure Dec 09 01:19:35 Bravo? Dec 09 01:19:36 Arkenoi: ok then i agree ;) Dec 09 01:19:46 Bravo/passion from htc? Dec 09 01:19:51 GeneralAntilles: PR1.1? Dec 09 01:19:57 bravo is out q1 next year isn't it? leaked htc road map right? Dec 09 01:19:59 Public Release 1.1 Dec 09 01:20:08 ah Dec 09 01:22:08 Yes Dec 09 01:33:05 GeneralAntilles: PR1.1 of maemo5? Dec 09 01:33:15 DocScrutinizer, yes. Dec 09 01:33:25 :-) Dec 09 02:06:16 So, is the Maemo Packages Interface completely busted? Dec 09 02:15:34 hrm, JourneyMan is neat Dec 09 02:16:58 maemo.org news is 0 bytes Dec 09 02:17:07 i'd say maemo.org is busted :) Dec 09 02:17:20 Server migration, maybe. Dec 09 02:17:46 n900 ran out of battery Dec 09 02:17:51 :) Dec 09 02:19:18 timeless_mbp, 770s to N810s, I think. Dec 09 02:19:57 GAN900: so... Dec 09 02:20:07 i need to figure out how to deal w/ the call ui, got time? Dec 09 02:20:14 * timeless_mbp wants to strangle someone Dec 09 02:20:35 btw, i've got a great photo Dec 09 02:20:40 timeless_mbp, my brain is mostly slush atm. Dec 09 02:22:43 Ugh, I'm getting about 2 dozen hildon-home crashes a day. Dec 09 02:25:54 what extensions are you using? Dec 09 02:26:49 Bookmarks, contacts, shortcuts, location, media player Dec 09 02:27:04 so nokia items? Dec 09 02:27:12 Only reason I know it's crashing is Nitro Dec 09 02:27:14 Yeah Dec 09 02:27:21 Nothing 3rd-party Dec 09 02:27:40 Although I do have some installed and have used them in the past. Dec 09 02:28:58 Managed to crash browserd at the hotel Saturday night then spent 5 minutes typing out a description and realized I didn't have a connection. . . . Dec 09 02:30:51 konttori_work_no, pong Dec 09 02:30:56 konttori_work_no, ping I mean lol Dec 09 02:32:04 it's 04:30 in the morning in Finland so I'm guessing he's not around Dec 09 02:32:17 blah Dec 09 02:32:18 stupid osx Dec 09 02:32:29 assuming he's in Finland, which I'm assuming based on his name Dec 09 02:32:33 i guess insomniaX doesn't work on it anymore with the 10.5.8 update Dec 09 02:32:39 I thought it was later there ohh well I was thinking we where like 12 hour apart Dec 09 02:32:57 AndrewFBlack: where are you? Dec 09 02:33:04 new theme maker is locking up on my Dec 09 02:33:07 Alabama Dec 09 02:33:24 AndrewFBlack: west coast is 9 hours from mainland europe Dec 09 02:33:35 AndrewFBlack: you central time? Dec 09 02:33:39 yeah Dec 09 02:33:44 yeah, here 3:33 Dec 09 02:33:53 so probably 7 or 8 hours Dec 09 02:33:56 for you Dec 09 02:34:16 8 if its 4:30 there Dec 09 02:35:00 I doubt Finland is +1 from Germany Dec 09 02:35:01 hmm Dec 09 02:37:42 Germany = GMT +2. Finland = GMT =3. Dec 09 02:37:46 +3 Dec 09 02:38:23 Finland is GMT+@ Dec 09 02:38:25 Finland is GMT+2 Dec 09 02:38:57 germany is GMT+1 Dec 09 02:39:02 True Dec 09 02:39:13 +1 to both in summer Dec 09 02:39:29 it's bloody december Dec 09 02:39:35 amazing Dec 09 02:39:39 * Ronaldo38741 looks for blood Dec 09 02:40:31 * crashanddie RDP's into a win box in order to ESX into a Linux box... Dec 09 02:40:35 (from osx) Dec 09 02:40:53 * DocScrutinizer puzzled Dec 09 02:42:30 huh? Dec 09 02:43:07 crashanddie: yeah. i thought there only being a win client for esx was kind of stupid Dec 09 02:43:30 espeically considering they use a linux hal for it :) Dec 09 02:44:26 the hardware support for esx is rather lacking Dec 09 02:45:55 Would anyone happen to have information on how to add menu items to the apps list in maemo 5 (diablo)? A URL with some info perhaps? Dec 09 02:47:10 is there any information on when maemo.org will be online again? -_- Dec 09 02:48:53 before dnf Dec 09 02:49:07 so, if I ssh into my desktop and enter emacs in an xterm Dec 09 02:49:22 dnf? Dec 09 02:49:22 enter does not emit kp-enter Dec 09 02:49:47 instead it emits M-o m Dec 09 02:50:03 duke nuken forever Dec 09 02:50:10 anyone have any idea why enter might not be mapping to enter? Dec 09 02:50:13 -_- Dec 09 02:50:15 not helping Dec 09 02:50:20 :) Dec 09 02:50:30 i dont think it is funny Dec 09 02:50:36 i just wanted to download the sdk Dec 09 02:50:48 but since meamo.org is down for weeks now i just give it up Dec 09 02:50:48 this is freenode, there arent too many helpful people here Dec 09 02:50:49 -_- Dec 09 02:50:54 i hate nokia :O Dec 09 02:51:06 it was up earlier today atleast Dec 09 02:51:07 Foxx: nothing to do with freenode... more like IRC Dec 09 02:51:07 :P Dec 09 02:51:19 ShadowJK: it is down for weeks now for me Dec 09 02:51:36 i had the main homepage shown 2 times today but http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ does never work Dec 09 02:51:37 lostcarrier.net has very helpful folk Dec 09 02:51:39 only maemo.org Dec 09 02:51:42 Foxx, add a .desktop file. Dec 09 02:51:51 thank you GAN900 Dec 09 02:52:13 why is there a link to http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ when the sdk is on forum.nokia.com which works just fine? Dec 09 02:52:14 -_- Dec 09 02:52:15 FAIL Dec 09 02:52:16 paroneayea, because Nokia is stupid. Dec 09 02:52:41 and on tablets-dev I guess Dec 09 02:52:51 thats 3 out of 439 people that have been in any shape or form a help so far Dec 09 02:52:56 summel, because SDKs on Forum Nokia were a VERY recent development. :) Dec 09 02:53:05 still Dec 09 02:53:10 this is just sooo much faiöl Dec 09 02:53:11 -_- Dec 09 02:53:33 Foxx, don't expect more help if you'd rather troll. :) Dec 09 02:53:47 im not, im trying to convey my appreciation Dec 09 02:54:17 humm, how about this one... I have btscanner installed, no thanks to the built in application manager Dec 09 02:54:42 Sounds more like you're denigrating the people in this channel and this network to me. Dec 09 02:54:42 id like to get an external USB HCI adapter going, but damned if hcitool or hciconfig commands work Dec 09 02:55:11 USB OTG is not supported. Dec 09 02:55:24 USB host is questionable. Dec 09 02:55:38 it shouldnt need OTG mode Dec 09 02:55:49 yeah, ive heard a lot of borderline stuff with hsot mode Dec 09 02:56:07 I got a 500GB HDD working, external power of course, but that was for the shits and giggles of it Dec 09 02:56:23 On the N900? Dec 09 02:56:26 n800 Dec 09 02:56:45 I wish I could afford a n900! Dec 09 02:57:00 Why are you asking about 5 then? Dec 09 02:57:17 N800 runs Maemo 4 or 3 Dec 09 02:57:25 I was under the assumption that the latest build for the n800 was maemo 5 Dec 09 02:57:37 No, that's Fremantle. Dec 09 02:57:47 again, thanks for the clarification Dec 09 02:58:01 no scarcasim there Dec 09 02:58:05 Anyway, Bluetooth USB adaptors I can't help with. Dec 09 02:58:15 not too many people can, to be honest Dec 09 02:58:22 its a bit tricky under linux Dec 09 02:58:53 Hi fellows, I just bought a N900, but I'm kinda noob on Linux.... Dec 09 02:58:57 so... Dec 09 02:59:01 as long as you stick wit CSR radios, its not a big deal, but knowing if an adapter is CSR or not is pretty much hit or miss Dec 09 02:59:32 what should I start doing / reading / going? Dec 09 02:59:43 I'm kinda lost with this.. Dec 09 02:59:55 I come from WM devices **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 09 02:59:57 2009