**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 15 17:03:09 2009 Dec 15 17:04:30 but when i come to think about it is't a bit strange nokia did not do any firewall of some sort for the maemo5 Dec 15 17:04:47 i mean its a mobile computer that has wifi and connect to whatever there is Dec 15 17:05:04 <|R> AbstractW: how much? Dec 15 17:05:37 PipeR: $550, with a $50 rebate. Dec 15 17:05:44 Milo-: there's a lot of people who want bash. It's somewhere in a repo but I've been told it will bork all kinds of scripts when installed standard way Dec 15 17:05:56 Making the total $500 Dec 15 17:05:56 <|R> AbstractW: nice :) Dec 15 17:05:57 SpeedEvil, we don't actually know whether the connection has to be disconnected/reconnected first, or if it's just the UI that's broken. My older symbian phone couldn't do it on the fly. My newer one seems able to do it on the fly. Regardless of the underlying reason, there is *some* bug in the UI.. Dec 15 17:06:04 <|R> AbstractW: i hate being in canada haha ;) Dec 15 17:06:18 lets see how well youtube works Dec 15 17:06:24 <|R> (well not really but for bleeding edge electronic, indeed :P) Dec 15 17:06:32 |R: Can't you just order it from amazon us? Dec 15 17:06:38 Or are the tarrifs that bad? Dec 15 17:06:46 <|R> AbstractW: they wont ship electronic up north Dec 15 17:06:50 docs: indeed no fix no A after 15mins Dec 15 17:06:52 yuck. Dec 15 17:06:58 DocScrutinizer-8: bash works ok for me, although I've only switched user to use it, root still uses ash Dec 15 17:07:07 with agps 30s Dec 15 17:07:11 <|R> AbstractW: and amazon.ca dones't have the same stocks... Dec 15 17:07:14 I'd offer to order you one, but yeah. Dec 15 17:07:20 <|R> AbstractW: but they do ship books from the states, mega-wtf :P Dec 15 17:07:32 after 2days no gps Dec 15 17:07:47 <|R> AbstractW: well i got it already from mobile city online... but i'm pissed i have to find a dealer who can ship it here, i could have gotten the dell deal at 440! Dec 15 17:07:52 ~seen vdvsx Dec 15 17:07:55 bug 6502 Dec 15 17:07:56 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6502 Control Panel: Cannot change Network mode when Network selection is "Automatic" Dec 15 17:08:36 also - keyboard impossible to use with gloves and iced fingers Dec 15 17:08:44 That one is confirmed and even has an internal alias Dec 15 17:08:53 heated keyboard needed Dec 15 17:09:00 hehe Dec 15 17:09:26 n900evil: hehe Dec 15 17:10:42 sigh Dec 15 17:11:03 siegh Dec 15 17:11:10 sleigh Dec 15 17:11:48 n900evil: use raster's correcting guessing kbd! works with gloves just fine ;-) Dec 15 17:12:45 docs: is that available for hw kbd? Dec 15 17:13:00 why not? Dec 15 17:14:17 someone hasn't ported? Dec 15 17:15:11 prollx not yet Dec 15 17:16:43 wtf? Dec 15 17:17:04 stop doing this for god sake Dec 15 17:17:39 They should just take the server out of the pool, but they don't want to admit defeat. Dec 15 17:18:18 another split? Dec 15 17:18:59 it is being overloaded by all the n900s Dec 15 17:19:07 Someone spiked the server hamsters' food this morning. Dec 15 17:19:10 How do I remove the motd that I get when starting a new shell? Dec 15 17:19:27 * ShadowJK writes a harsh reply to 6839 Dec 15 17:19:32 /etc/issue ? Dec 15 17:19:44 bug 6839 Dec 15 17:20:01 granden: /etc/motd, but its probably generated on reboot Dec 15 17:20:04 how can I update only selected packages using apt-get? Dec 15 17:20:08 valdyn: I got no /etc/motd Dec 15 17:20:17 i want to do "apt-get upgrade libqt4-maemo5*", but it wants to update everything is system Dec 15 17:20:27 I tried creating a empty motd file but still a motd Dec 15 17:20:33 wow freenode is broken Dec 15 17:20:38 granden: maybe you really meant the issue file then? Dec 15 17:20:41 what? generated on boot?? Dec 15 17:20:56 valdyn: Dunno Dec 15 17:21:05 I just dont whan the messages I get. about BusyBox ... Dec 15 17:21:11 For a list of commands ... Dec 15 17:21:16 that I want removed Dec 15 17:22:00 use a real shell XD Dec 15 17:22:11 No package for zsh Dec 15 17:22:12 :( Dec 15 17:22:19 srsly, bug fixes aren't "enhancements" :( Dec 15 17:22:44 Sure they are! Never heard of Windows 7? Dec 15 17:23:01 lol Dec 15 17:23:27 wolf, just "apt-get install foo bar" to upgrade foo and bar, i think Dec 15 17:23:41 fnordianslip, doesn't work for me Dec 15 17:23:42 granden: i see no way to change that on this quick manpage lookup Dec 15 17:23:49 granden: feel free to google the busybox manpage.. Dec 15 17:23:54 wolf^: that is the way toi do it Dec 15 17:23:59 I have only selected libqt4-maemo5-* packages installed Dec 15 17:24:11 I don't want to install the rest Dec 15 17:24:43 pupnik, maybe there's some option to "dpkg -l" to behave like "ls -1"? Dec 15 17:24:53 pupnik, ie. list the packages without all the decorations? Dec 15 17:24:59 pupnik, I could work with that Dec 15 17:25:15 <_berto_> wolf^: dpkg --get-selections Dec 15 17:25:39 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ { print $2 }' Dec 15 17:26:16 <_berto_> also Dec 15 17:26:44 when in a pipe, dpkg -l makes the columns as wide as they need to be, so nothing is truncated Dec 15 17:26:49 to the guy with upgrade issues (lost nick in splits), what repos are enabled? Dec 15 17:27:14 --get-selections also shows some junk ("install"), so it's no go Dec 15 17:27:25 ShadowJK, extras-devel just for qt4 upgrade Dec 15 17:27:33 ShadowJK, I don't use it normally Dec 15 17:28:06 thanks Robot101 _berto_ Dec 15 17:29:07 Anyone got VNC server up and running on their N900? Dec 15 17:29:12 wolf^: er... you can cut that out too :D Dec 15 17:29:29 anyone remember where repo pins live? Dec 15 17:29:41 * timeless needs a way to wipe them out Dec 15 17:29:47 /etc/apt/preferences? Dec 15 17:29:54 VNC server = win for additional input devices :) Dec 15 17:30:11 AbstractW: wat? Dec 15 17:30:22 sdk tools or sdk repo active? Dec 15 17:30:25 VNC Server. Dec 15 17:30:33 hi. Dec 15 17:30:33 Does someone have a VNC server up and running on their N900? Dec 15 17:30:42 wolf^: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/\ :) Dec 15 17:30:48 AbstractW, x11vnc seems to work, so yes Dec 15 17:30:58 Sweet. Dec 15 17:31:06 Robot101, my distro uses rpm, so I'm used to "rpm -U `rpm -qa|grep foobar`" Dec 15 17:31:06 for values of work Dec 15 17:31:12 VNC server is what made me actually like my iphone about 2 days ago. Dec 15 17:31:16 e.g. it won't unblank your screen Dec 15 17:31:33 Robot101, kind of shame dpkg/apt-get requires shell magic Dec 15 17:31:36 and mouse clicks don't carry pressure information, making some apps (like fbreader) ignore them Dec 15 17:31:50 mgedmin: i mean the ham stuff Dec 15 17:31:51 Robot101, thanks anyway, but I think I'd opt for "cut" ;) Dec 15 17:32:07 wolf^: you'd need grep and cut... how wasteful :) Dec 15 17:32:12 timeless, ham has pins? Dec 15 17:32:30 not the way you're used to Dec 15 17:32:31 mgedmin: Well, thats to be expected. But, it'll be great for keyboard input. Dec 15 17:32:39 no, it ain't Dec 15 17:32:46 if you install a package from a given repo Dec 15 17:32:51 wolf^: anyway, you don't need to make a list to feed it to apt-get, you just run apt-get upgrade Dec 15 17:32:52 enter opens fullscreen kbd, doesn't enter a newline Dec 15 17:32:59 updates are generally restricted to the same repo Dec 15 17:33:06 mgedmin: Yuck. Dec 15 17:33:06 screen blanking is not disabled if you control it over vnc, so it goes black in the middle of a worAIEEEEE Dec 15 17:33:26 splits+=1 Dec 15 17:33:36 Robot101, but it wants to upgrade everything then Dec 15 17:33:40 http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/ Dec 15 17:33:41 Well, I could remap the enter key to a newline in the VNC config. Dec 15 17:33:48 Robot101, including things from extras-devel I don't want to have upgraded Dec 15 17:34:04 jfyi, AbstractW, I dunno how a normal user starts x11vc, but I do it over ssh: ssh user@mg-n900.local x11vnc Dec 15 17:34:11 * evo survived a double shock this morning: dentist and n900 not turning on Dec 15 17:34:12 maybe there's some icon somewhere in app menu that you can click Dec 15 17:34:47 SpeedEvil, I think I've figured it out. If you at all make suggestions on what the correct behaviour is, or suggestions on how to fix a bug, it gets considered an enhancement and killed off Dec 15 17:35:11 "apt-get install `dpkg -l | cut -f 3 -d\ |grep libqt4-maemo`" works for me Dec 15 17:35:49 mgedmin: Thanks thats helpful. I assume you could create a shortcut on a desktop to run shell scripts. Dec 15 17:36:17 AbstractW, there's an x11vnc icon in my app menu Dec 15 17:36:22 dunno what it does Dec 15 17:36:23 let me try Dec 15 17:36:26 wolf^: dpkg -l can include packages which aren't installed, so you need to grep for ^ii Dec 15 17:36:41 I airmailed myself a phone, should be here thursday or friday :) Dec 15 17:36:50 wolf^: also, dpkg -l libqt4-maemo* avoids a grep :) Dec 15 17:36:52 opens a black window with a x11vnc title and forever-spinning spinner Dec 15 17:37:07 will likely timeout soon, this is the maemo version of launch notification Dec 15 17:37:19 question is: if you start it from GUI, how do you stop it? Dec 15 17:37:38 Robot101, BTW, how is that * handled? shouldn't shell expand it? Dec 15 17:37:52 wolf^, better escape it, but dpkg also handles wildcards Dec 15 17:38:01 mgedmin: I look at vnc as a system service -- it should start on phone start. Dec 15 17:38:05 NO Dec 15 17:38:09 wolf^: Only if there are files in the current working dir which match it, otherwise the shell passes the * through. Dec 15 17:38:14 passwordless VNC? no! Dec 15 17:38:20 AbstractW: No, it should have a start/stop GUI Dec 15 17:38:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#Bugdays Bugday RSN Dec 15 17:38:25 mgedmin: Oh, hell no! Passwordless = NO. Dec 15 17:38:27 well, it should have a cpanel capplet Dec 15 17:38:43 with "enabled|disabled", options for password, option to interactively allow/deny Dec 15 17:38:45 like GNOME's vino, really Dec 15 17:38:51 Jaffa, zsh: no matches found: foobar* ;) Dec 15 17:38:53 mgedmin: Indeed; isn't that a bit fiddly? We moaned about that for Bluetooth in Maemo <=4 Dec 15 17:39:03 heh, tap the icon twice, end up with two x11vnc copies running Dec 15 17:39:07 probably listening on different ports Dec 15 17:39:37 yep. Dec 15 17:39:42 I'm fine with "enabled by default, asks for confirmation interactively" Dec 15 17:39:56 vnc will try a different port if the first one is in use. Dec 15 17:40:07 but not with "enabled by default, lets anybody anywhere control your n900, or just watch the passwords you enter before they turn into stars" Dec 15 17:40:17 mgedmin: If you have to physically confirm on the phone a VNC connection, then passwordless is okay by me. Dec 15 17:40:56 Thats currently how VNC on the iphone works. Dec 15 17:41:58 VNC should be a service, that you can start /stop with your standard init.d scripts. Dec 15 17:42:08 AbstractW: s/init.d scripts/upstart/ Dec 15 17:42:26 I forgot that the N900 was using upstart :) Dec 15 17:43:02 anyone know how to apply for the rebate? form says you need to use the store link on the phone which is 'coming soon'? Dec 15 17:44:25 How do I install coreutils, like gcc make etc? Dec 15 17:47:45 eh eh eh Dec 15 17:54:47 this is fscked up Dec 15 17:55:44 nice, ~5 pages of joins Dec 15 17:55:55 wheeee Dec 15 17:59:25 /ignore #maemo joins parts Dec 15 17:59:29 :) Dec 15 18:01:34 Has anyone experienced problems with the media player of the N900? Sometimes it simply stops working for me, and only a reboot fixes it. Dec 15 18:02:03 Is it a known bug? Dec 15 18:06:10 eitreach, never heard of it Dec 15 18:06:17 try searching bugs.maemo.org Dec 15 18:20:12 wow ... freenode is broken :) Dec 15 18:20:56 it's always broken Dec 15 18:21:00 ddos Dec 15 18:21:12 ridiculous the amount of netsplits that occur everyday Dec 15 18:27:02 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee welcome back everyeone Dec 15 18:29:09 ­ Dec 15 18:29:21 - Dec 15 18:31:09 What is the - sign called, I tried add it with gconftool as hyphen. And it looks correct but its not correct for same reason. ­ is that and - Dec 15 18:31:21 from hardware key for it Dec 15 18:38:43 granden: minus? Dec 15 18:38:44 yarr Dec 15 18:39:36 fail epic? Dec 15 18:39:41 i can has fail epic? Dec 15 18:39:56 fredrin: ? Dec 15 18:40:10 JosefAssad: Thanks Dec 15 18:40:22 * SpeedEvil passes fredrin freenode. Dec 15 18:40:30 jon1012: so many people quiting and joining Dec 15 18:40:32 netsplit? Dec 15 18:40:35 that's fail epic Dec 15 18:40:40 kek Dec 15 18:40:47 dos apparently Dec 15 18:41:14 dir and ods Dec 15 18:41:15 dos Dec 15 18:43:50 all: does anyone know how I can get internet connections from setting menu? (trying to port maemo to zoom2 platform) need to set up proxies Dec 15 18:44:03 SpeedEvil: :D Dec 15 18:47:22 morning Dec 15 18:47:32 morningmorningmorningmormorningmorningmorningmorningmorningmorningmorningmorningmorningmorningmorningningmorningmorningmorningmmorningmorningmorningmorningorning Dec 15 18:47:37 oops Dec 15 18:47:38 slonopotamus: evening Dec 15 18:48:14 do you also see 'pull off charger to save energy' right _after_ you plug it of n900? Dec 15 18:48:23 yes Dec 15 18:48:31 slonopotamus: it means unplug charger from the wall Dec 15 18:48:38 It's a measure so they can lie about power use Dec 15 18:48:56 'we have 0 standby power use of our chargers!!!!1111!' Dec 15 18:48:58 heck, i've already unplugged it Dec 15 18:51:40 speedevil, i fail to comprehend usefulness of this message knowing that i just unplugged it. Dec 15 18:51:53 It's not. Dec 15 18:52:00 It's saying unplug the charger from the wall. Dec 15 18:52:04 * slonopotamus really lacks autocomplete Dec 15 18:52:05 Not unplug it from the device Dec 15 18:52:09 oooh Dec 15 18:52:29 This is so that they can claim 0 standby power use, not 1W or so. Dec 15 18:52:45 but i use usb charger :) Dec 15 18:53:21 btw, it drains battery pretty fast Dec 15 18:53:31 slonopotamus: disconnect your computer from the wall Dec 15 18:53:33 ? Dec 15 18:53:37 :D Dec 15 18:53:49 does christel ever sleep? Dec 15 18:54:55 it also tells you to unplug charger from the wall, if you have the usb cord connected to phone and disconnect the charger from the wall Dec 15 18:55:08 alas, it has no way knowing which end of the cord you unplug first :p Dec 15 18:55:37 anyway to make the phone default pick PC Suite connection once plugged into a pc btw? it Dec 15 18:55:46 freenode? more like freesplit :) Dec 15 18:55:58 it's not big deal thought Dec 15 18:56:11 AbstractW: ircnets tend to crack when being DDOS:d :p Dec 15 18:56:43 or then they are experiencing alot more problems than usually, since theres plenty netsplits today Dec 15 18:57:10 johnsq, luke-jr says he's unable to boot with latest udev. have you tried? Dec 15 18:57:43 slonopotamus: I have udev blocked, because it tells since some version it needs newer kernel Dec 15 19:02:46 johnsq, yep. although, 141 + baselayout-2 works pretty fast Dec 15 19:05:02 Can I switch my keymap in Maemo? Dec 15 19:05:06 To Dvorak? :P Dec 15 19:06:11 AbstractW: if you can don it! I don't know, but it is possible. Dec 15 19:06:23 -n Dec 15 19:08:41 (wow, I'm sure nobody asked for dvorak on the iphone :P n900 is a geek phone after all) Dec 15 19:10:20 jon1012: Someone did Dec 15 19:10:34 jon1012: I'm not completeyl sure if they were serious. Dec 15 19:10:40 I would however prefer other options first. Dec 15 19:10:46 Heated keyboard for example. Dec 15 19:11:08 that's it? Heated keyboard? Dec 15 19:11:14 *sigh* Dec 15 19:11:34 http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ Dec 15 19:12:52 heated keyboard heh Dec 15 19:15:09 an app which pegs the processor could probably cover most use cases for heated keyboard, come to think of it Dec 15 19:15:29 it maxes out at like 1.5 watts... that's not much heat :) Dec 15 19:15:38 the battery is a 5 watt battery Dec 15 19:15:43 I bet half of extras-devel fits the bill in fact Dec 15 19:18:22 (why do I keep geting "not enough space" when I install app while my ext partition is still largely free ?) Dec 15 19:18:49 Woo! http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3382089 (first edit from n900) Dec 15 19:18:50 (by me) Dec 15 19:19:47 * crashanddie hands SpeedEvil a cookie Dec 15 19:20:18 * SpeedEvil disregards the cookie, as it is not from the same site. Dec 15 19:20:32 * jebba eats cookie from any site Dec 15 19:21:35 * zash remembers the need to eat something Dec 15 19:22:34 I get this error on most https pages Dec 15 19:30:00 I can not beleive this, just buying a n900 on amazon right now, and without a few seconds, the price went up (I even had it in the shopping cart) from 550 usd, to 780 usd!!!!! Dec 15 19:30:08 I can not freakin believe that! Dec 15 19:30:26 less then 1 minute!! Dec 15 19:30:39 So? Dec 15 19:30:54 random sellers can changte prices as they choose Dec 15 19:31:15 I know Dec 15 19:31:53 just sucks, if I had not tried the 'cheap shipping' thing, would have had it Dec 15 19:31:56 didnt this happen before? price races on amazon I mean? Dec 15 19:32:21 In the face of limited stock, it will always happen Dec 15 19:32:43 eh, I would assume it happens on purpose Dec 15 19:33:01 230 is just not smooth enough =) Dec 15 19:33:44 rabbitear, I feel with you - very annoying Dec 15 19:34:05 well where is a good place to get an n900 unlocked? Dec 15 19:34:07 rabbitear: in poland the N900 costs 2500pln and, as google calculator can tell you, 2500 pln == 870 usd Dec 15 19:35:46 rabbitear: the factory in korea Dec 15 19:35:53 rabbitear: break in at night Dec 15 19:36:42 rabbitear, haalo.pl :> Dec 15 19:36:59 Is there a way to explicitly define separate registar, proxy and realm settings in SIP? Dec 15 19:37:06 fucking shit! again! Dec 15 19:37:34 hi. can an application bring itself to the foreground when it receives a message via osso? Dec 15 19:37:50 Arkenoi: freenode is being ddos'ed. Dec 15 19:39:12 * konttori just released theme maker 1.2.7 with improved ovi store support (yay!) - not that anybody here cares. And yes, it still sucks ass on linux and no, it still does not work on windows - yes, only osx users should feel at home. Dec 15 19:40:02 konttori, here - have a cookie! Dec 15 19:40:04 =) Dec 15 19:40:12 lol! thanks Dec 15 19:40:15 * Arkenoi wonders what's the point of ddosing freenode? Dec 15 19:40:18 ,this inability to dial * # is amazingly bad Dec 15 19:40:33 i need to check acct status from provider Dec 15 19:40:43 umm what? Dec 15 19:41:00 n900 refuses to dial valid tel numbers Dec 15 19:41:07 known bug Dec 15 19:41:10 *# isn't a valid phone number Dec 15 19:41:12 aah Dec 15 19:41:19 it's an extension of the GSM protocol Dec 15 19:41:28 annoying yes, not invalid though Dec 15 19:41:31 ah Dec 15 19:41:44 but yes, will be fixed Dec 15 19:42:02 and yes, pretty big oversight on Nokia's part -- or maybe they had a good reason not to do it (time constraints?) Dec 15 19:42:39 Shapeshifter: where did you get the info? Dec 15 19:42:56 ah - splits Dec 15 19:42:57 Shapeshifter: ? Dec 15 19:43:27 maybe we should all just quit and give the poor servers a break Dec 15 19:43:42 SpeedEvil: nah. There's a ddos apparently Dec 15 19:43:43 there was a network-wide notification Dec 15 19:43:52 about ddos Dec 15 19:44:00 I was wondering what the oversight above mentioned was Dec 15 19:44:02 it was a global message Dec 15 19:44:21 SpeedEvil: inability to dial *# Dec 15 19:44:25 ah Dec 15 19:44:37 yes, tis annoying Dec 15 19:44:45 but not life threatening Dec 15 19:44:51 crashanddie: not usually Dec 15 19:45:00 the GPS bug is more life-threatening Dec 15 19:45:17 Won't somebody think of the children! Dec 15 19:45:29 Newsflash: "Nokia sued by N900 user -- he was killed by his parents for going waaaayy over budget" Dec 15 19:46:11 lol Dec 15 19:46:45 Haha, what? Dec 15 19:46:51 aha - that remids me to check topcashback Dec 15 19:46:54 You can't do *#stuff Dec 15 19:47:00 yes Dec 15 19:47:08 I never did strange things... all I did was browsing --> backup on device 1--> restore on device 2 --> error Dec 15 19:47:22 Woo - my 52.50 cashback is tracking. Dec 15 19:50:13 i have to say i am not happy with tschibo prepaid sim Dec 15 19:50:24 qwerty: around? Dec 15 19:51:32 pupnik: It just stays still, peeing occasionally? Dec 15 19:53:33 HA! price went back down, got it for 554 usd (inc sh) :) Dec 15 19:53:44 :D Dec 15 19:53:50 worst then ebay Dec 15 19:57:12 Android Market hits 20,000 apps, over 60 percent free Dec 15 19:57:25 * RST38h wonders how many are made by the same company Dec 15 19:57:53 RST38h: 64% free according to the presentation I gave last week. Dec 15 19:58:40 rabbitear, congrats! enjoy your bargain n900 =) Dec 15 19:59:05 pupnik, what is wrong with your prepaid sim? Dec 15 19:59:11 soo, has someone tried switching ~user and the MicroSD to ext3? Dec 15 19:59:30 Jaffa: What I wonder is how popular carpet bombing is in Android app store Dec 15 20:00:06 Jaffa: It is very popular on iPhone it seems, with a single Chinese company having 10000 apps Dec 15 20:00:25 RST38h: i.e. lots of similar apps with a logo & name change? Dec 15 20:05:00 Jaffa: yea. plus trivial stuff like repackaged books off Gutenbergh Dec 15 20:05:22 * lbt reboots his N900 so he can connect to his wifi.... this was never an issue in the summit image Dec 15 20:05:40 flux: Worked fine on the N810. Dec 15 20:09:37 crashanddie, SpeedEvil: well, #freenode is talking about it, and you can read this: http://announce.freenode.net/ Dec 15 20:09:58 it's been going on for hours. mostly from ISPs in asia. Dec 15 20:10:55 Shapeshifter: thanks Dec 15 20:11:20 Jaffa: I'll be in London starting Jan 5th, and will probably be available for a week Dec 15 20:11:29 Jaffa: would be good if we could have a last drink Dec 15 20:11:32 crashanddie: We'll get together for a last beer :) Dec 15 20:11:35 Jaffa: think you can pencil in an evening? Dec 15 20:11:38 cool :) Dec 15 20:11:40 * Jaffa can :) Dec 15 20:11:59 sounds interesting... Dec 15 20:12:05 crashanddie: your timing sucks Dec 15 20:12:08 i'm leaving on the 4th Dec 15 20:12:15 timeless_mbp: I know you are Dec 15 20:12:18 timeless_mbp: sorry buddy Dec 15 20:12:40 Shapeshifter: I misparsed the two comments of crashanddie to be about something you said about a failing of nokia Dec 15 20:12:42 you can see one has been around too many managers for too long and is starting to be affected by manageritis when he uses "pencil in" without it being sarcastic Dec 15 20:13:35 flux: i tried the sd, didn't work for me Dec 15 20:13:43 heh Dec 15 20:13:51 lbt: around? Dec 15 20:14:11 might be - it kinda depends... I'll pencil it in ;) Dec 15 20:14:55 will n900 notify me that my battery is low? Dec 15 20:15:04 Milo-: yes Dec 15 20:15:06 hmph, January isn't after february... Dec 15 20:15:09 okay cool Dec 15 20:15:09 you get a couple of warnings Dec 15 20:15:11 err, decembe Dec 15 20:15:13 r Dec 15 20:15:18 battery icon is red Dec 15 20:15:19 you can also miss them if you try hard enough Dec 15 20:15:21 not a beep yet Dec 15 20:15:34 it doesn't beep if you're on silent Dec 15 20:15:49 lcuk: you won't be around London in early jan? Dec 15 20:15:56 not on silent at the moment Dec 15 20:16:50 bizzare Dec 15 20:17:17 phone went 9h30m without a single reboot, the moment I start using it in any fashion it reboots within 5 minutes Dec 15 20:18:20 how does one highlight and select text to copy in the browser? Dec 15 20:18:29 it just zooms in & out.... Dec 15 20:18:30 9.5 hours sounds awesome for a computer Dec 15 20:18:37 but not that awesome for a phone. Dec 15 20:19:01 jebba: drag your finger from the left edge of the screen to the right Dec 15 20:19:04 9.5 hours between reboots is awesome for a computer? :P Dec 15 20:19:10 you'll see a cursor, hit the cursor Dec 15 20:19:30 Is there a 'better' terminal? Dec 15 20:19:41 For example - without the bar with 4 keys on it Dec 15 20:19:50 and fullscreen adjustable text Dec 15 20:20:24 timeless_mbp: hahah. I had seen that arrow before and was like WTF is that. thx :) Dec 15 20:20:52 what is "Full screen adjustable text"? Dec 15 20:21:10 jebba: there are supposed to be maemo5uiteam videos on youtube Dec 15 20:21:14 you really should watch them Dec 15 20:21:25 heh. ok. ;) Dec 15 20:21:25 jo Dec 15 20:21:53 ~seen x-fade Dec 15 20:21:58 Hello there, anyone there with time to test a graphic app that shows/records/playbacks accelerometer's data? accdisplay is now on extras-testing!? http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ Thanks! Dec 15 20:22:05 hm Dec 15 20:22:51 jebba: theres also a default bookmark in maemo browser for the different browsing states and modes or whatever they were called Dec 15 20:23:04 teaches you the mousecursor thing and rotation zooming etc Dec 15 20:23:18 red: heh. thx. So much still unexplored ;) Dec 15 20:24:25 timeless_mbp: yeah - that was poorly specified. A fullscreen x-term-alike, with variable text size - even -fn would do. Dec 15 20:24:53 SpeedEvil: have you used the hardware zoom buttons w/ xterm open? Dec 15 20:25:14 fiddling with init.d is a good way to brick an n800 right? How do I disable something in init.d safely? Dec 15 20:25:40 (05:24:35 PM) therock: hey jebba sorry to bother with this question again but it really bugs me you said nat was not posseble without recompile Dec 15 20:25:41 (05:24:47 PM) therock: but what i really want is input output iptables thats it :P Dec 15 20:25:45 No Dec 15 20:25:57 * SpeedEvil throws n900 across the room. Dec 15 20:25:59 yep Dec 15 20:26:02 Damn thing is slippery. Dec 15 20:26:07 therock: check here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/ Dec 15 20:26:19 oh i did jebba :P Dec 15 20:26:26 im im getting the files now to the device Dec 15 20:26:34 but what are your thoughts on it? Dec 15 20:26:34 and see if it has any of the modules you need. You can also see the list of what works here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/TESTS/modprobe-test.log Dec 15 20:26:49 therock: do you know which modules you need in particular? Dec 15 20:26:53 oh man i need to bookmark your site jebba :) Dec 15 20:27:07 timeless: ooh - shiny. But I want to regain the bar space. Dec 15 20:27:10 yes ofcourse Dec 15 20:27:20 you're greedy Dec 15 20:27:24 therock: check this too then: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba Dec 15 20:27:29 k Dec 15 20:27:39 timeless: yes, I am. Dec 15 20:27:45 damn im gonna try that out now man :D Dec 15 20:28:02 timeless: I'm not eating enough, so I'm being greedy in every other way ATM :) Dec 15 20:29:05 therock: i will likely in the coming days do a kernel package with NAT and a number of other wanted modules. Let me know if there is anything in particular you want. Dec 15 20:29:14 how low will the battery icon go? Dec 15 20:29:20 sure im looking into that now Dec 15 20:29:34 but can you explain more to me why you need to recompile the kernel for nat features? Dec 15 20:29:42 i'm watching heroes . never watched it before Dec 15 20:29:51 macer *g* Dec 15 20:29:53 probably should look for the /sys/ -file or /proc/ -file Dec 15 20:30:37 therock: WARNING: Error inserting nf_nat (/lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_nat.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) Dec 15 20:30:48 heh yeah okay :) Dec 15 20:30:53 etc. Dec 15 20:31:03 * timeless_mbp is watching journeyman Dec 15 20:31:37 cpscotti: Testing now. Already got some feedback. Dec 15 20:31:39 timeless_mbp: any good? Dec 15 20:31:46 i'm liking it Dec 15 20:31:47 Jaffa: thanks! Dec 15 20:31:53 =] Dec 15 20:31:57 user rambo ran into the same problem. He's doing http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 15 20:32:06 cpscotti: maemo.org's being so slow it might be easier to rant here. #1) XB-Maemo-Display-Icon-26 should be a 48x48px icon Dec 15 20:32:19 timeless_mbp: read what it was about and reminded me of quantum leap Dec 15 20:32:19 where is the battery file in /sys? Dec 15 20:32:20 :) Dec 15 20:32:27 * timeless_mbp nods Dec 15 20:32:30 haha.. ok.. I thought the 26 meant something.. Dec 15 20:32:32 i like quantum leap Dec 15 20:32:32 wouldn't traveling back in time totally screw the time line? Dec 15 20:32:35 which tells the current _current_? Dec 15 20:32:39 I'll fix that Dec 15 20:32:43 Macer: he's *trying* Dec 15 20:32:44 timeless_mbp: i did too for a while but it was meh after a whie also Dec 15 20:32:53 but note that quantum leap did muck w/ the timeline Dec 15 20:32:53 trying to mess up the time line? :) Dec 15 20:32:59 not very often, but at least in a couple of places Dec 15 20:33:08 well, he's playing w/ the '89 quake Dec 15 20:33:17 (and yes.. garage is very slow.. ) Dec 15 20:33:20 timeless_mbp: heh well... i suppose that is the paradox of time travel isn't it? ;) Dec 15 20:33:32 how could it have ever happened if someone stopped it in the past? Dec 15 20:33:45 cpscotti: It does, in Maemo <5 (where it /was/ 26x26). No-one bothered changing the name in fremantle. Dec 15 20:34:07 Macer: Depends if you believe in a mutable single timeline or a many-world interpretation of time travel. Dec 15 20:34:08 Jaffa: lol! thanks for the trivia Dec 15 20:34:10 Hrm, does the UI spec say selectors with only two options should toggle automatically on tap instead of bringing up a list? Dec 15 20:34:20 Oops, wrong device. Dec 15 20:34:22 Macer: Or, even an immutable single timeline (mmm, pre-destination paradox) Dec 15 20:34:49 cpscotti: You can use XB-Maemo-Display-Name to display a different name to 'accdisplay' in HAM if you want. Dec 15 20:35:05 hi general Dec 15 20:35:11 * GAN900 should be over here Dec 15 20:35:18 cpscotti: What's the "smoothing" algo? Dec 15 20:35:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_smoothing Dec 15 20:36:02 y(t) = alpha*x(t)+(1-alpha)*x(t-1) Dec 15 20:36:04 cpscotti: Cool; thanks. I might use that in Attitude (although it's close to the algo I'm currently using, I think) Dec 15 20:36:06 jebba: so yeah from your test it looks like iptable_filter.ko Dec 15 20:36:08 is fine Dec 15 20:36:25 gonna play a bit with firewall on my device now and see what i get Dec 15 20:36:26 attitude is jaffa's app? Dec 15 20:36:32 Jaffa: in fact you could get even better results with second order smoothing Dec 15 20:36:50 but I just added the easier one to "show the point" Dec 15 20:37:33 Jaffa: "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" is the name that shows up in the app manager? Dec 15 20:37:38 therock: iptable_filter.ko is in stock kernel. Dec 15 20:37:53 cpscotti: Correct Dec 15 20:37:56 suihkulokki: Correct. Dec 15 20:38:09 thanks.. I'll also add a more descriptive name there than Dec 15 20:38:25 cpscotti: than => then Dec 15 20:38:38 how long it takes for usb to charge the battery? Dec 15 20:38:39 oh snap! jebba Dec 15 20:38:39 cpscotti: Some other minor nits: #2) Saving a recording has no file extension; #) Saving a recording has the default dir as / rather than $MYDOCS_DIR Dec 15 20:38:40 haheahea.. yeah yeah! Dec 15 20:38:53 just need to get it compiled to arm then right? Dec 15 20:39:00 the iptables Dec 15 20:39:02 ok... yeah.. thanks also! Dec 15 20:39:25 I didn't used any extensions bc I wanted to emphasize that it's just plain xml Dec 15 20:39:36 *didn't use Dec 15 20:40:10 I gotta.. go.. pub calls.. any other probs.. just say here that I'll check later Dec 15 20:40:15 cpscotti: And, my own personal bugbear - could probably do with a slightly longer description, e.g. "View/record/playback accelerometer's raw data in a graphical manner. This is useful for understanding how the accelerometers work, measuring the g-forces in your car (or jet!) or for fun experiments around the home." Dec 15 20:40:15 if the n900 kickstand/camera module wouldn't stick out, it would be easy to mod attitude to be a spirit level.. Dec 15 20:40:15 thanks a lot! Dec 15 20:40:22 cpscotti: ".xml" then? Dec 15 20:40:29 cpscotti: Have one on me - nice app Dec 15 20:40:39 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 15 20:40:55 Jaffa: ok! Also.. your description convinced me.. I'll change also.. Dec 15 20:41:06 I wasn't feeling much creative when I wrote that Dec 15 20:41:12 cpscotti: Needs newline after first sentence, btw Dec 15 20:41:22 ok Dec 15 20:41:33 Anyway, go to the pub and have a pint Dec 15 20:41:40 Some nice real ale or summat Dec 15 20:41:49 thanks! Dec 15 20:42:06 for the ones sharing the same habit, have a nice guinness! Dec 15 20:42:08 c ya! Dec 15 20:42:09 'see and record accellerometer data and graphs, for understanding how G forces work. Dec 15 20:44:13 Milo-: quite some time Dec 15 20:44:18 Anyone here want to pretend to understand pulseaudio? Dec 15 20:44:26 Err, no ;-) Dec 15 20:44:31 has anybody used the sample-based playback functions of the pulseaudio library? Dec 15 20:44:42 (for a N900 application) Dec 15 20:45:00 ah pulse again *g* Dec 15 20:45:05 eh. Uh. I did not even see the message from timeless_mbp... :) Dec 15 20:45:07 timeless_mbp: don't you just start jackd, run pulseaudio as a client then run a crontab that kills and restarts pulse every 15 min? Dec 15 20:45:37 nomis: i don't speak pulse Dec 15 20:45:40 i'm chasing a ghost Dec 15 20:49:02 he qwerty Dec 15 20:51:26 nomis: so... Dec 15 20:51:35 can i interest you in pretending to understand C/pulse? Dec 15 20:52:08 jebba: cool stuff you have on your user profile got some reading todo now :D Dec 15 20:52:21 timeless_mbp: I glanced over the API docs some time earlier today for the first time. Is this enough? Dec 15 20:52:22 but as far as i can see the kernel is ready for iptables Dec 15 20:52:33 nomis: it's more a question of reading c Dec 15 20:52:38 so i just need to get iptables compiled with the toolchain for arm and thats it :) Dec 15 20:54:51 Extreme cold here, emergency water systems shutdown :D Dec 15 20:56:12 cool Dec 15 20:56:23 where at? Dec 15 20:56:27 wazd: can I forward to you the email from roman? Dec 15 20:56:38 RST38h, yeah Dec 15 20:57:05 RST38h, I'm trying to send you files right now Dec 15 20:57:17 kurtan, Russia Dec 15 20:57:25 aha Dec 15 20:57:36 ah Dec 15 20:57:54 whooping -32C outside) Dec 15 20:58:17 wow Dec 15 20:58:42 wow.. Dec 15 20:58:55 yeah, it's wow even for me :D Dec 15 20:58:59 is it -32 already? sweet Dec 15 20:59:00 wazd_n800, where do you live? Dec 15 20:59:18 simula, Moscow country Dec 15 20:59:22 * RST38h feels sorry for the car: no way it starts up tomorrow Dec 15 20:59:38 RST38h, nothing sweet actually :D Dec 15 21:00:01 do they sell electric engine heaters there? Dec 15 21:00:18 simula: they do, but it is a fucking megapolis Dec 15 21:00:25 simula, sure, why not) Dec 15 21:00:41 simula: there are 16 floors between me (and the wall socket) and the car Dec 15 21:00:59 rst uhahaha :( Dec 15 21:01:13 hello Dec 15 21:01:22 RST38h, I have 30m wire here :) Dec 15 21:01:26 simula, an e-heater when it is -32C? have fun paying the bills I guess ... Dec 15 21:01:43 wazd: Yes, but you also do not have a car probably =) Dec 15 21:02:02 mikhas: it is not that bad really Dec 15 21:02:05 vodka is probably still the cheapest >=) Dec 15 21:02:09 ah ok Dec 15 21:02:21 RST38h, yeah, was too afraid to loose it here :) Dec 15 21:03:08 mikhas, there are some cities in Russia that have -56 right now Dec 15 21:03:27 now THAT is bloody cold) Dec 15 21:03:27 wow Dec 15 21:03:47 yeah -56 would be really shit Dec 15 21:03:55 how can anyone survive that ... for weeks/months? Dec 15 21:03:56 you need atomic underware Dec 15 21:04:10 i wanted to upgrade some packages on n900, and even after clean i get the message "no space in ...apt/archives". What can i do? Dec 15 21:04:23 -32 just forces you to dry water pipes Dec 15 21:04:28 "survive" in a slightly more emotional context Dec 15 21:04:36 Elerion purge some packages Dec 15 21:04:37 interesting Dec 15 21:04:42 :( wazd_n800 thats brassic Dec 15 21:04:51 so how do you take a shower ... or flush the toilet? Dec 15 21:04:52 remind me never to complain about how cold it was today in cambridge Dec 15 21:05:03 -27 here Dec 15 21:05:04 mikhas, actually if humidity is low -56 is not that bad Dec 15 21:05:06 hi Dec 15 21:05:07 Elerion: apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache etc... Dec 15 21:05:09 w: i did autocleen Dec 15 21:05:12 lcuk cambridge? Dec 15 21:05:26 mikhas, you could leave the watter running.. won't freeze.. Dec 15 21:05:34 yes woglinde, collabora christmas party Dec 15 21:05:38 ill try that Dec 15 21:05:44 * lcuk got very drunk Dec 15 21:05:46 lcuk aehm Dec 15 21:05:51 you live there? Dec 15 21:05:51 mikhas, well, I'll find the way :D Dec 15 21:05:55 no Dec 15 21:05:57 ah Dec 15 21:06:01 hence an 8hr trip back today Dec 15 21:06:05 hihi Dec 15 21:06:18 it was a quiet day today for collaborans across the UK... :P Dec 15 21:06:27 haha Dec 15 21:06:45 well rob, the day technically started quite loud.. Dec 15 21:06:57 yes... my poor neighbours. :( Dec 15 21:07:07 :( have they forgiven you yet Dec 15 21:07:11 oh god the dramaaaaaa http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/15/1925257/Busybox-Developer-Responds-To-Andersen-SFLC-Lawsuits?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher Dec 15 21:07:26 lcuk: will you be in London around early Jan? Dec 15 21:07:37 crashanddie: what is the synopsis? Dec 15 21:07:41 i can be crashanddie you comin home? Dec 15 21:07:57 lcuk: yeah, will be in London for a week or so after the 5th Dec 15 21:08:13 RST38h: 3 developers fighting about who wrote what in busybox on slashdot Dec 15 21:08:29 ehehehehe Dec 15 21:08:38 ahh cool, i shall see whats happening and when and if it all matches up we shall have beers Dec 15 21:08:42 wonders of open source indeed Dec 15 21:08:49 lcuk: I'd like to have a beer with Jaffa and anidel Dec 15 21:09:07 * lcuk nods Dec 15 21:09:07 so if we can all do it together, optimisation! Dec 15 21:09:13 is simon coming too? Dec 15 21:09:26 crash.. sure.. when? Dec 15 21:09:37 Anidel: early january, within a week of the 5th Dec 15 21:09:40 crashanddie hm poor bruce Dec 15 21:09:50 Anidel: probably friday or saturday evening if possible for you guys Dec 15 21:09:51 I'll be back on the 4th Dec 15 21:09:59 should be fine for me :) Dec 15 21:10:06 well, probably not saturday -- jaffa and lardman won't be there Dec 15 21:10:48 true.. whatever is fine for them.. I'm here in London from the 5th onwards.. so.. Dec 15 21:11:21 crashanddie, are you hotelling it or is your usual room still free for you Dec 15 21:12:10 London's free for crash and die... no doubt there ;) Dec 15 21:12:24 is there a pdf reader which can flip the pages vertically? default seems not todo such magic Dec 15 21:12:49 heh, why do i have the vision of london like 28 days later Dec 15 21:12:59 as soon as people hear seb is returning they flee Dec 15 21:15:13 Xournal does rotate Dec 15 21:15:36 Anidel: okay thanks Dec 15 21:15:46 easier to read darwin :-) Dec 15 21:15:51 lcuk: dunno, will see Dec 15 21:15:57 +25 other science pdf books *g* Dec 15 21:15:59 lcuk: maybe my landlord kicked everything out, I have no idea Dec 15 21:16:10 lcuk: haven't been home in over a month Dec 15 21:16:13 :) Dec 15 21:16:20 yeah Dec 15 21:16:24 are you going to oz after Dec 15 21:16:28 yeah Dec 15 21:16:38 :D you still excited? Dec 15 21:16:43 anyway, I has a company amex now :P Dec 15 21:17:46 crashanddie: with that sentence i think you just earned 50+ more "friends" Dec 15 21:18:05 heh Dec 15 21:18:06 lol Dec 15 21:18:31 crashanddie: you need a shipping address for my n900? Dec 15 21:18:33 ;) Dec 15 21:18:52 I think the business you're buying it from requires htat Dec 15 21:19:02 ghehe Dec 15 21:19:08 unless you really want to see if I can steal your identity and get a mortage in your name Dec 15 21:19:37 that'd be a fuckup of the bank, as i already have one :) Dec 15 21:19:40 but good point Dec 15 21:19:58 Hi ! Dec 15 21:20:01 good ol' random reboot... Dec 15 21:20:06 yo Khertan Dec 15 21:20:11 Khertan, heya Dec 15 21:20:14 'lu crashanddie Dec 15 21:20:20 heya wazd_n801 Dec 15 21:20:46 where is the place to source a script that has to be run after boot in fremantle? Dec 15 21:21:06 wazd: forwarded it Dec 15 21:21:30 RST38h, yeah, got it Dec 15 21:22:06 RST38h, still trying to send you png thru crappy edge( Dec 15 21:24:18 Khertan: Good evening Dec 15 21:24:45 Khertan: You're the author of pypackager? Dec 15 21:25:00 Micha_: good evening to you too ... Dec 15 21:25:02 Micha_: yep Dec 15 21:25:29 Khertan: Is there a version for Maemo 5? The latest I found was in the Maemo 4 repository. 0.7.something. Dec 15 21:25:49 Micha_: nope ... there is no version for Maemo 5 Dec 15 21:25:56 Khertan: And while it installed and seems to generate deb packages correctly, it can't save its configuration Dec 15 21:26:21 Khertan: Are you planning to update it at all? Dec 15 21:26:24 because for maemo five to upload package you must push source package Dec 15 21:26:40 I ven't plan to update it Dec 15 21:26:42 Khertan thats good Dec 15 21:26:58 not directly Dec 15 21:27:10 in fact i'm planning to merge py2deb and pypackager Dec 15 21:27:19 Shame.. seems a neat little util to test packaging of apps. Dec 15 21:27:56 Will the merged util work fully on the device? I briefly played with py2deb, but it seems to only generate source files which then need uploading somewhere to generate the actual package. Dec 15 21:28:02 No battery widget? :( Dec 15 21:28:46 Micha_: exactly ... i ll merge the creation of source package and the binary package Dec 15 21:29:10 Khertan: Nifty, looking forward to it :) Dec 15 21:30:29 * Micha_ has made a small app to display London Tube status. Dec 15 21:30:58 Well, it's not finished, but it's already useable. Dec 15 21:33:26 is this the best place for n900 questions Dec 15 21:33:40 returnthis, yes Dec 15 21:33:47 returnthis, sometimes Dec 15 21:33:52 but you may only ask 3 questions, that was #1 Dec 15 21:33:58 LOL Dec 15 21:34:21 * Myrtti pours lcuk some mulled wine Dec 15 21:34:29 haha Dec 15 21:34:33 ok. my bt headset keeps dying. I notice that bug#5880 mentions that wifi and bt don't play well together Dec 15 21:34:34 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5880 A2DP unstable when WiFi is on. Dec 15 21:34:44 * lcuk gladly takes a glass and is fondly reminded of christmas parties Dec 15 21:34:53 lcuk *g* Dec 15 21:35:17 also, skype w/o headset was painful. several points where I couldn't hear the other party Dec 15 21:35:25 changing cache place for apt-get woked, but now dpkg returns same error. no space left on a device. Dec 15 21:35:28 and that has happend 4 times with regular phone too Dec 15 21:35:54 returnthis, i dont use the bt headset, but when you say dying - please explain. and by regular phone,do you mean the headset dies when you use it on a regular phone Dec 15 21:36:00 elrion was df -m saying? Dec 15 21:36:03 whats Dec 15 21:36:43 *sigh* Dec 15 21:36:44 the bt headset status is disconnected, but the bt UI options is to disconnect. and the UI freezes for 30min + while it tries to disconnect a bt headset that is no longer connected. I have to power off/on Dec 15 21:37:22 lcuk: no audio Dec 15 21:37:34 returnthis, ok, so you are confirming the bug report filed? Dec 15 21:37:35 sometimes happens on normal phone calls without bt headset Dec 15 21:37:40 or do you think its a new bug Dec 15 21:37:40 I thought the regular headset is non-bt? Dec 15 21:37:55 mikhas jupp its cable Dec 15 21:38:03 lcuk: that ad2p is for stereo right? Dec 15 21:38:52 I am on a mono headset. BUT I can't reconnect my bt w/o power reset Dec 15 21:38:55 returnthis, i dunno i have bt disabled cos i dont ever see a point in it Dec 15 21:39:23 ok, could you try to see if the same occurs when you dont use wifi - to see if its related to the prescribed bug? Dec 15 21:39:25 endless conf calls and you just want to make coffee <-- good use for it Dec 15 21:40:26 is there someway to reset the bt hs status without power reset? Dec 15 21:40:47 right now half the phone thinks it is disconnected the other half thinks it is connected Dec 15 21:41:10 e.g. status panel == disconnected. bt settings == connected Dec 15 21:41:19 RST38h, are you around since you filed that bt bug Dec 15 21:47:33 is there a graph showing how many new apps land in the fremantle repos every week? Dec 15 21:48:53 mikhas, / Dec 15 21:55:53 can you make calls from the command line? or send SMS? Dec 15 21:56:09 prob yes Dec 15 21:56:21 the system is managed by telepathy/dbus Dec 15 21:56:25 sms is possible from code, so it should be feasible to script Dec 15 21:56:34 whether it's easy to do from a commandline, i'd doubt it Dec 15 21:56:37 with dbus i guess Dec 15 21:56:55 ah you said it allrdy timeless_mbp srry.. :) Dec 15 21:57:12 ifreq: no problem Dec 15 21:58:07 ovi store Dec 15 21:58:14 out yet? Dec 15 21:58:36 not afaik Dec 15 21:58:45 oh boy how I love freenode Dec 15 21:58:46 :) Dec 15 22:00:57 really need to learn how this machine creates and handles alarms Dec 15 22:01:24 the alarm clock's lack of cabability in planning ahead bothers me Dec 15 22:08:01 do u think there will be a phone better than n900 in one year Dec 15 22:08:34 Always Dec 15 22:08:37 Milo-: check here to see how to make calls from command line: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba dbus section Dec 15 22:08:50 jiajia: of course betting things will come out :P Dec 15 22:09:30 AakashPatel: but i make a two years contract that i can't change between it Dec 15 22:09:46 Then buy an unlocked one. Dec 15 22:09:55 Yeah Dec 15 22:10:08 Thats what i always do Dec 15 22:10:23 mine is unlocked , i just need to pay seperately Dec 15 22:10:35 i think this phone would be good for me in two years Dec 15 22:10:44 jebba awesome :D Dec 15 22:10:51 thanks :D Dec 15 22:11:48 jiajia well, this phone isn't perfect Dec 15 22:12:08 I have had it for one day and I've found lots of things that needs improving Dec 15 22:12:34 difference between this and symbian phones how ever is, that you are able to do something about these issues now Dec 15 22:12:37 unlike with symbian :) Dec 15 22:12:52 you are right Dec 15 22:12:56 this fone is a world unto itself :) Dec 15 22:12:57 it is not perfect yet Dec 15 22:13:32 jiajia, yes i think there will be a phone better than the n900 in a year Dec 15 22:13:44 the n900 will be better then than it is now Dec 15 22:13:59 lcuk: I have disconnected all internet access, made several phone calls and no issues with bt headset at all Dec 15 22:14:12 oh dear, -testing branch has openttd! :D Dec 15 22:14:21 i really hope so, but anyway i just love the linux termnal Dec 15 22:14:21 so I will try again with wifi on Dec 15 22:14:46 returnthis, then do you fancy trying it now with wifi - that way you have some test data to either extend the bug report, or file a new one with Dec 15 22:15:31 * lcuk never has problems with calls Dec 15 22:16:19 is there any way to update contact data on phone via mac osx? Dec 15 22:16:29 need to add huge load of email addr /msn etc to contacts Dec 15 22:20:32 anyone have suggestions for the best N900 screen protector? Dec 15 22:20:53 ifreq: update or import? Dec 15 22:20:56 nezb: well dont buy the one from protection films Dec 15 22:21:05 its no matt in the cover Dec 15 22:21:06 timeless_mbp: update Dec 15 22:21:32 nezb, common sense and a clean room environment Dec 15 22:21:52 http://www.apple.com/pro/tips/sharing_vcards.html Dec 15 22:22:06 Earlier, this was suggested: https://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php Dec 15 22:22:09 unlike outlook, we support multiple cards per file Dec 15 22:22:16 merging is um, ... dunno Dec 15 22:22:35 AbstractW: can you attest to their quality? Dec 15 22:22:39 hmm ok thanks Dec 15 22:22:53 you can try exporting your entire db from the n900, importing to addressbook, merging there, and then deleting everything from your n900 and importing an export from addressbook :) Dec 15 22:22:55 Not yet, I ordered it though, on the recommendation of someone else in here. Dec 15 22:23:51 AbstractW: hmm, alright. hopefully it turns out good. did you get the full or just the screen sheet? Dec 15 22:23:56 timeless_mbp: yeh guess so :) Dec 15 22:23:57 full. Dec 15 22:24:13 AbstractW: direct from them or through a reseller like Amazon? Dec 15 22:24:19 direct Dec 15 22:24:19 cool, GPE Calendar > nokia calendar :) Dec 15 22:24:21 is there a list of "ok to use" extras-devel apps ? Dec 15 22:24:33 AbstractW: thanks for the info :) Dec 15 22:24:36 My phone should get here on friday, and so should my shield. Dec 15 22:25:04 AbstractW: cool. congrats! Dec 15 22:25:07 (for n900 by the way) Dec 15 22:25:25 Yeah, amazon has a $550 N900, with a $50 rebate currently. Dec 15 22:26:19 nezb: Their guarantee is pretty good, actually. Dec 15 22:26:50 AbstractW: so it seems. it better be good for $25! Dec 15 22:26:56 I hope so. Dec 15 22:27:02 timeless_mbp: seems http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/isync supports n900 too Dec 15 22:27:05 going to test now Dec 15 22:27:18 ifreq: Sweet! Been waiting for that Dec 15 22:27:22 interesting Dec 15 22:27:28 (fyi, the insurance I pay for my n900 is 16 euros monthly here in france) Dec 15 22:27:48 holy crap, thats expensive. Dec 15 22:27:49 ifreq: eh? Dec 15 22:27:53 search doesn't list it Dec 15 22:28:29 Perhaps somebody can help me with n900 & active sync. Our company uses lotus inotes that is "mail for exchange" compatible and I quess everything would work ok, except that the 'server' prompt does not allow to enter /lotus/traveler after the server name. Now, does anyone have any idea to which config file these settings are saved? Dec 15 22:29:10 aw, GPE can't import from maemo calendar Dec 15 22:29:13 what a pity :( Dec 15 22:29:15 AbstractW: how much do you pay? Dec 15 22:29:38 I've been looking at accidental damage cover - it's ~70euro/year in the UK Dec 15 22:30:13 anyone know if we are getting a pc suite version which can handle sending sms via phone? Dec 15 22:30:26 the n900 that is Dec 15 22:30:34 SpeedEvil: I don't have insurance. I'm in the US, and purchased an unlocked phone directly. Dec 15 22:31:14 Coupon Code for ZAGG screen protector PROTECT20 (20% off) Dec 15 22:31:15 But, for me it was $4/mo for accidental damage cover on my iphone through ATT Dec 15 22:31:27 nezb: Damnit, I should have used that :P Dec 15 22:31:40 i pay 5euro for damage and lost Dec 15 22:31:53 AbstractW: that covers you for expensive phones? Dec 15 22:31:59 AbstractW: oh Dec 15 22:32:05 AbstractW: can you have them adjust your order? Dec 15 22:32:31 nezb: I doubt it, seems to have already been charged. Dec 15 22:32:32 AbstractW: there was a 50% thing yesterday :( Dec 15 22:32:36 heh. Dec 15 22:32:38 50%? Dec 15 22:32:45 at zagg, ya Dec 15 22:32:55 timeless_mbp: yeah it doesnt, misread.. ffs. Dec 15 22:33:05 (is the flashlight app safe ?) Dec 15 22:33:13 i can drop vcards thats for sure.. but no real syncs Dec 15 22:33:16 jon1012: yes. Dec 15 22:33:26 jon1012: it is safe to run the LEDs at low power forever Dec 15 22:33:32 Klowner: was there a promo code? Dec 15 22:33:34 jon1012: It is considerably dimmer than the flash. Dec 15 22:33:40 ok Dec 15 22:33:52 I'm just looking forward to real rsync. Dec 15 22:33:53 and flashlight use that dimmer level ? Dec 15 22:34:06 nezb: nope, just everything 50% off Dec 15 22:34:23 jon1012: that's a lot of insurance Dec 15 22:34:25 Klowner: darn. oh well, $20 + $3 shipping isn't that bad... Dec 15 22:34:34 jon1012: yes - as I understand it Dec 15 22:34:36 jon1012: if you pay that insurance for 2 years you'll have paid for half the phone extra Dec 15 22:34:52 crashanddie: I know :( Dec 15 22:34:53 jon1012: en d'autres termes: tu te fais arnaquer mon cochon ;) Dec 15 22:34:53 nezb: ya, not too bad Dec 15 22:35:00 crashanddie: are you likely to drop it in a toilet forex. Dec 15 22:35:06 crashanddie: in france the phone is 650 euros Dec 15 22:35:12 still a rip if you consider it is a piece of plastic ... Dec 15 22:35:20 crashanddie: I would have said I was normally very careful with phones, but today I threw the n900 across the room. Dec 15 22:35:35 crashanddie: slippery case, and cold fingers. Dec 15 22:35:37 nezb: you pay $2 for a bottle of plastic filled with brown water -- which recipe hasn't changed in the past 150 years Dec 15 22:36:07 crashanddie: but that tastes so delicious! I love Dr.Pepper Dec 15 22:36:15 SpeedEvil, self adhesic rubber patch on the back is useful in that scenario Dec 15 22:36:27 lcuk: yes, that scenario. Dec 15 22:36:37 SpeedEvil: I have a better solution Dec 15 22:36:38 lcuk: not others. Dec 15 22:36:51 wiimote straps Dec 15 22:37:14 lcuk: wouldn't have helped at all - I was picking it up Dec 15 22:37:29 padded cell Dec 15 22:37:43 SpeedEvil: if you throw things around as you try to pick them up, I think you need to go on an anger-management course Dec 15 22:37:45 :P Dec 15 22:37:51 prevent both problems Dec 15 22:38:03 I wonder if I can watch tv on my n900 Dec 15 22:38:03 oh there's my... FOR FUCK'S SAKE AAAAAAARRRGGHHHH Dec 15 22:38:20 hey guys, which is the right substitute of hildon_font_selection_dialog_new() (the api doc said it's deprecated now) ? Dec 15 22:38:21 crashanddie: It slipped out of my hands - and I tried to catch it the wrong way. Dec 15 22:38:41 lcuk: I would like a padded cell - if it was nice and insulated Dec 15 22:38:56 Klowner: as long as you can stream tv to the N900, sure Dec 15 22:38:59 it comes with a special overcoat too! Dec 15 22:39:10 how do you handle the keyboard opening? Dec 15 22:39:17 a uniform so to speak Dec 15 22:39:50 crashanddie: ya, except it's HD, I suspect 1920x1080 might make it explode. Worth trying though, if I can figure out how Dec 15 22:40:36 lorelei^_: why does a guy have a woman's name as nickname? Dec 15 22:41:01 Klowner: apply a tenfold filter, should do fine then Dec 15 22:41:04 hmm i have an H.264 MP4 video Dec 15 22:41:08 and its not playin on the device :/ Dec 15 22:41:14 any ideas? Dec 15 22:41:23 could anyone point me to a better suited channel (unless someone can help me here :) )? Got an N900 some days ago, and im only getting a dark nokia logo, with short vibration in long intervals Dec 15 22:41:27 AakashPatel: our balls ain't made out of crystal? Dec 15 22:42:07 worluk: have you tried leaving it plugged in to the charger for some time? Dec 15 22:42:25 worluk: I get that sometimes when I leave it plugged into the charger Dec 15 22:42:27 crashanddie: lol well it was playin on my comp Dec 15 22:42:36 so i didnt know if it was the vid or something else Dec 15 22:42:58 AakashPatel: can my pet have a disease? Dec 15 22:43:02 yeah, but it is supposed to vibrate, and switch the status light on and off each time it vibrates during loading? Dec 15 22:43:25 worluk: actually, when you turn it on it does exactly that Dec 15 22:43:36 worluk: it just doesn't do it multiple times at a time -- just once Dec 15 22:43:41 well, once, yea, but it doesnt stop Dec 15 22:43:47 ssure why not Dec 15 22:43:57 Dell has the N900 for $550 Dec 15 22:44:34 AakashPatel: give us more details, do you get an error message? What info do you get from mplayer? What exact codec are you using? How big is the file? etc, etc Dec 15 22:44:44 Does the USB charging work properly? I had it in for a long time, it said it was charging but then it just died :) hehe Dec 15 22:45:13 N900* Dec 15 22:45:51 crashanddie is someone who knows about most of the cool tech on the planet Dec 15 22:46:09 people are only like that at 22 Dec 15 22:46:23 lol Dec 15 22:46:50 pupnik: actually, I'm not 22 ;) Dec 15 22:46:56 henningms: should work ok Dec 15 22:47:37 crashanddie: Its 800MB's and it says Unable to play media, Media Format not supported Dec 15 22:47:49 hm, when i hold the power button, the status light fades in white... Dec 15 22:47:57 i make a joke Dec 15 22:48:02 and the screen lights up with the logo Dec 15 22:48:22 thank you, worluk Dec 15 22:48:22 worluk: yeah, it works better when you turn it on Dec 15 22:48:30 AakashPatel: tested with mplayer too? Dec 15 22:48:38 pupnik: I'm 23 :) Dec 15 22:48:39 well, it goes dark after a while again Dec 15 22:48:58 worluk: yeah, seems like your battery is drained Dec 15 22:49:50 hm, ok, then i guess i will leave it plugged for a while, but the vibrating puzzles me Dec 15 22:50:04 Idk what codec its using Dec 15 22:50:08 (how do i check?) Dec 15 22:50:09 and i was under the impression that the status light is supposed to blink during loading Dec 15 22:50:20 AakashPatel: use mplayer, 3rd time we're asking you Dec 15 22:50:42 worluk: leave it for another hour or two, if it still toasts like that, ask again -- you might have a faulty unit Dec 15 22:50:53 funny enough,it seems that almost no one says that n900 size is "just ok". About half of the people complain that it is too big and another half (including me) say it is too small ;-) Dec 15 22:50:56 dont say that :/ Dec 15 22:50:56 ;) Dec 15 22:51:00 will do Dec 15 22:51:01 ty Dec 15 22:51:11 :P you didnt ask me to use mplayer Dec 15 22:51:18 AakashPatel: yes, we did Dec 15 22:51:47 AakashPatel: give us more details, do you get an error message? What info do you get from mplayer AakashPatel: tested with mplayer too? Dec 15 22:52:00 Oh :P i didnt see that second part Dec 15 22:52:24 what repo is mplayer in Dec 15 22:52:24 then at least apologise to ifreq, you completely ignored him :( Dec 15 22:52:36 ifreq: i'm terribly sorry ifreq :) Dec 15 22:52:46 thank you :) Dec 15 22:53:06 dunno which repo mplayer is in Dec 15 22:53:14 eh i just enabled devel Dec 15 22:53:16 still loading Dec 15 22:53:38 yea its in here Dec 15 22:54:21 installling Dec 15 22:54:27 What's the name of the screen brightness applet - I'm blanking. Dec 15 22:54:27 And I can'f find it in the app-list Dec 15 22:54:30 * frals just got cockblocked by the fire department Dec 15 22:55:24 im in my boxers on the couch, all of a sudden the fire department rings the door bell "excuse me madame, you dont happen to have a fire going are you?"... im in my gfs apartment Dec 15 22:55:38 Arkenoi: I'll say the n900 size is just ok, but the unlock slider, volume button and off button are too small :p Dec 15 22:55:50 oh god thi video plays slow in mplayer Dec 15 22:55:51 they should be proportionally bulky as the device itself hehe Dec 15 22:56:23 frals: they called you a madame thru the door or after seeing you on ur boxers? Dec 15 22:56:37 they called my gf that ;) Dec 15 22:56:56 oh, i was ready to tell you to work on your manboobs :> Dec 15 22:57:48 ugh... I had no space left on root partition, and I moved /usr/share to /home/share and did a link so the files where accessible on the other part... Dec 15 22:57:57 the device rebooted and doesn't want to boot again Dec 15 22:58:04 anyone knows what I could do to recover from that ? Dec 15 22:58:26 red: my manboobs are fine thank you very much :D Dec 15 22:59:32 in case someone who was in the netsplit can help : Dec 15 22:59:47 ugh... I had no space left on root partition, and I moved /usr/share to /home/share and did a link so the files where accessible on the other part... the device rebooted and doesn't want to boot again. anyone knows what I could do to recover from that ? Dec 15 23:00:00 Hi... anyone here know how or where I can find information on how to install maemo sdk on Arch Linux? Thanks Dec 15 23:05:18 With falsies on? Dec 15 23:05:18 oh - to her. Dec 15 23:10:10 jon1012: nothing comes to mind apart from flashing it. hmm Dec 15 23:10:23 :( Dec 15 23:10:42 why on earth did they do such a small root partition ? :( Dec 15 23:10:53 everyone in forums tell to move folders to home and do links to them Dec 15 23:11:16 i wouldnt :-P Dec 15 23:11:34 / is on a fast 256m device Dec 15 23:12:33 I guess I'll have to flash :( Dec 15 23:12:56 ehm what.. Dec 15 23:13:09 root is already full ._· Dec 15 23:13:39 Milo-: it fills up quickly if you install lots from -testing or -devel Dec 15 23:13:42 Milo-: my root was full so I moved thins in home and did links Dec 15 23:13:51 things* Dec 15 23:13:55 jebba apparently so :P Dec 15 23:14:05 then... reboot and no way the device could boot again Dec 15 23:14:05 only downloaded two packages from testing Dec 15 23:14:24 anyone know why the maemo python doesnt like "from xml.sax.handler import ContentHandler" Dec 15 23:15:20 if I flash will it erase MyDocs partition ? Dec 15 23:15:25 jon1012: although that does sound like something that should be possible. Perhaps you set up the symlink wrong (?) or something from /usr/share is needed early in the boot before mounting your homedir Dec 15 23:15:40 jon1012: flash does not erase /home/user just erases the 256M partition Dec 15 23:15:44 ok Dec 15 23:15:46 cool Dec 15 23:15:47 i wouldnt go for symlinking.. fatal :P Dec 15 23:15:57 /opt is a symlink too... Dec 15 23:16:21 so hmm Dec 15 23:16:27 flashed... Dec 15 23:16:29 opt is prob not needed on boot Dec 15 23:16:30 why is / so small :o Dec 15 23:17:26 oh well, some minor fstabbing :) Dec 15 23:17:39 Milo-: due to having to do a flash recovery if things go to hell Dec 15 23:18:06 jebba but still.. 512 would have been nice :P Dec 15 23:18:24 Milo-: nothing shouldnt be installed under root directly anyways Dec 15 23:18:30 256 or 512 is irrelevant Dec 15 23:18:46 the right solution would be to install all apps on the 2G Dec 15 23:18:49 well package manager installs everything under root :P Dec 15 23:18:55 and set it up so that worked from day 0 Dec 15 23:18:57 Milo-: lies Dec 15 23:18:57 * jon1012 curses himself for not having done save often Dec 15 23:19:00 ya. apparently 512M ones weren't available in volume either (so i heard here) Dec 15 23:19:13 ifreq ._· Dec 15 23:19:24 anyone knows why nokia didn't used small root + big /usr instead of using opt? Dec 15 23:19:27 you're going to put a 32G / in Dec 15 23:19:35 /mmc in Dec 15 23:19:39 wolf^: for reasons of flash recovery AFAICT Dec 15 23:19:57 a 512 vs 256 flash is just extra cost Dec 15 23:24:11 hmm so is there a way of making all the packages to install in home rather than / ? Dec 15 23:25:14 search the wiki/docs for 'optify' Dec 15 23:27:22 ok guys good night :) Dec 15 23:41:13 just wanted to say hi, and that i'll (hopefully) be a first time Maemo user in about a week - just in time for Christmas! Dec 15 23:41:39 lets keep thumbs up then Dec 15 23:41:44 Milo-: the official answer is that apps should install to /opt, and if they don't they are broken (except for key OS applications) Dec 15 23:41:53 thanks :) Dec 15 23:43:04 jebba can't /usr/share be moved to /opt and then just create a symbolic link to /usr/share? Dec 15 23:43:47 you can try it ;) Dec 15 23:44:26 http://gizmodo.com/5346818/nokia-n900-maemo-is-a-phone-makes-the-n97-look-silly can someone go to 0:24 on video and tell me what app/shortcuts are made to desktop? Dec 15 23:44:35 or I can bind it with mount Dec 15 23:45:45 or manually link some biggies Dec 15 23:45:58 like ovi maps Dec 15 23:46:08 ifreq: Web / Media Player / Calendar / Photos / Contacts / Phone / Maps / Camera / E-Mail / Conversations /Clock / Calculator / App Manager / Settings / Applications Dec 15 23:46:48 oscillik: looking on the right spot aye? :P Dec 15 23:47:01 was interested about the spot where guy had friends faces on the desktop.. Dec 15 23:47:05 ifreq: why? Dec 15 23:47:16 you can do that with contact Dec 15 23:47:17 s Dec 15 23:47:20 you said apps on the desktop, that's at 0:22 Dec 15 23:47:32 at 0:24, there is a bookmarks screen from the web browser Dec 15 23:47:33 SpeedEvil: yeh that i wanted to know thanks Dec 15 23:47:43 oscillik: ok wasnt on mine :P Dec 15 23:47:44 or well.. it just changed Dec 15 23:47:53 on the 0:24 Dec 15 23:47:56 ifreq: weird, we're both watching the same video :-/ Dec 15 23:48:18 on 0:25 it changes to another screen Dec 15 23:48:19 ifreq: contacts app, select a contact -> add shortcut -> add to desktop Dec 15 23:48:30 SpeedEvil: yeah thanks. thats useful for me Dec 15 23:48:31 ifreq: then you can drag it into the right place later on the desktop manager Dec 15 23:48:41 yeh yeh Dec 15 23:48:50 you need to set a pic of course Dec 15 23:49:07 btw anyone ported conky yet? :) Dec 15 23:49:44 yes Dec 15 23:49:44 been updating my friends pics lately.. :) Dec 15 23:49:49 i wouldn't like to run conky on my N900 - will eat battery power Dec 15 23:50:18 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=23121 Dec 15 23:50:21 ifreq: Dec 15 23:50:28 yes going there sir Dec 15 23:51:32 is there a way to run a single command as root like rootsh traceroute google.com? Dec 15 23:51:55 dont want to/cant use sudo gainroot in this instance Dec 15 23:52:04 root maybe? Dec 15 23:52:25 shakkazombie, edit /etc/sudoers? Dec 15 23:52:32 thats like gainroot Dec 15 23:52:43 oh crap, sudoers Dec 15 23:52:47 quick question for those who have an N900 - is the keyboard backlit, like on the E90? Dec 15 23:52:52 The 'running out of battery' noise is like a depressed owl? Dec 15 23:52:56 oscillik: backlit Dec 15 23:52:56 What does rootsh do to make root possible w/o R&D mode/ Dec 15 23:53:10 oscillik: dunno if like Dec 15 23:53:17 oscillik: all the letters illuminate Dec 15 23:53:29 SpeedEvil: awesome :) i was hoping it would be backlit, thanks for clarifying Dec 15 23:53:34 thanks wolf^ didnt think of that, completely slipped my mind Dec 15 23:53:46 oscillik: works well in the absolute dark, or anywhere between Dec 15 23:53:51 to sun Dec 15 23:54:20 must say, after being a Psion user, Symbian user, and Android user, i'm faily excited to get my hands on this Dec 15 23:54:33 i'll still use my Psion though :p Dec 15 23:54:47 got rid of my ADP1 months and months ago Dec 15 23:55:31 hmm. xchat on a busy channel - with it locked on 3G - it's making noises at me to indicate it's nearly out - after only 1h from 30% bat Dec 15 23:56:36 from my experience using IRC clients on both my Noka E90 and my ADP1 when i had it, IRC does tend to eat battery while connected by 3G Dec 15 23:56:44 *Nokia Dec 15 23:59:05 trying to find 'worst case's Dec 15 23:59:17 other than obvious. Dec 15 23:59:47 (bright screen playing a movie over 3g say Dec 15 23:59:51 with flash Dec 16 00:00:05 Are there any interesting repositories available, other than the extras-testing and extras-devel? Dec 16 00:00:08 thats a recipe for disaster Dec 16 00:01:06 disaster at a low level. Dec 16 00:01:09 worst-case you reflash Dec 16 00:05:05 for batterylife i ment Dec 16 00:09:28 eitreach: thank cthulhu, no Dec 16 00:10:37 i think we could do voice control Dec 16 00:10:56 limited dictionary, no continuous speech Dec 16 00:11:00 ah Dec 16 00:11:13 id very much like voice control for initiating phonecalls Dec 16 00:11:23 and/or starting phonecalles in "speaker" state Dec 16 00:11:44 like hold camera button when camera lid is closed and say speaker + contactname Dec 16 00:11:51 How do i tether this thing to my mac Dec 16 00:12:19 i have a great book on practical neural netowks for precisely this Dec 16 00:12:25 AakashPatel: plug it with usb cable and set pc suite mode first Dec 16 00:12:36 Okay Dec 16 00:12:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=427886 Dec 16 00:12:50 but the only fuckers who have money to blow on this is the US military Dec 16 00:12:50 then go to step 3 and continue Dec 16 00:13:04 heh Dec 16 00:13:05 :D Dec 16 00:13:10 perhaps they would contribute! Dec 16 00:14:37 i know potheads who got DoD money for their whallucinations Dec 16 00:17:13 http://www.lcarscom.net/sounds.htm <-- for some system sounds :) Dec 16 00:17:26 still waiting lcars from past 770 to be ported on n900 Dec 16 00:17:34 (mayb daydreaming only) Dec 16 00:18:15 ifreq: the N900 doesn't support standard .wav or .mp3 files for system audio sounds? Dec 16 00:21:01 oscillik: sure about it? Dec 16 00:21:49 ifreq: you've confused me. i asked you a question, but you answered with an ambiguous question Dec 16 00:21:53 oscillik: seems i can add atleast mp3s to sms etc.. Dec 16 00:22:07 oscillik: yeh well i was allready quite sure it supports Dec 16 00:22:10 any geerman n900 users here? Dec 16 00:22:14 so you made me unsure :P Dec 16 00:22:24 anyways checked, atleast mp3s work Dec 16 00:22:45 oh right, it's just that you said that you hoped that the lcars sounds from 770 to be ported to the N900 Dec 16 00:22:57 nope, the lcars theme/desktop Dec 16 00:22:59 surely if the sounds are originally wav or MP3 files, you wouldn't need to have sounds ported Dec 16 00:23:00 ahhh Dec 16 00:23:01 i see Dec 16 00:23:08 sorry for the confusion Dec 16 00:23:11 heh Dec 16 00:23:21 when i enter the info on the computer for tethering Dec 16 00:23:24 :) np mayb my bad choise of words Dec 16 00:23:25 the connect button gets greyed out Dec 16 00:23:30 so i cant click it >.< Dec 16 00:23:33 hi guys Dec 16 00:23:55 besides maemo.org, where can find software for the n900 (also besides Ovi Store) Dec 16 00:23:57 ? Dec 16 00:24:08 The Ovi Store is live? Dec 16 00:24:16 Sir_Lancelot: probably nowhere Dec 16 00:24:28 sh*t :( Dec 16 00:24:34 are you sure? Dec 16 00:24:58 from Dec 16 00:24:59 Sir_Lancelot: why do you ask? Dec 16 00:25:24 because, apps arenever too much Dec 16 00:25:35 and the repos that I have are quite limited... Dec 16 00:26:07 why would they have the app manager thing, if theyre gonna have ovi store soon? Dec 16 00:26:22 I just got off the phone with Amazon, even though their website says my phone will ship tomorrow they claim "to have no idea when the item will be in". :/ Dec 16 00:27:25 AakashPatel, because Ovi Store is for commercial apps, while App Manager is for community apps (that are for free) Dec 16 00:27:32 ah Dec 16 00:28:42 Sir_Lancelot: there is the Extras repository (by default enabled in App Manager), and there are repositories for unstable and risky apps that might need more testing. If you like to live on the edge you can enable Extras-testing and Extras-devel, but applications may drain your battery and other bad things Dec 16 00:28:55 you've ben warned :) Dec 16 00:29:13 :) Dec 16 00:29:16 thanks\ Dec 16 00:29:20 I have it already ;) Dec 16 00:29:38 my rootfs on n900 is totally full and i can not even do dpkg -P. what can i do to free some space? Dec 16 00:30:08 http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/download.php <-- any idea can hotbabe be ported to maemo easily(not a coder or dev so no clue myself) Dec 16 00:30:38 Elerion: uninstall some apps via app manager, dont install so much stuff from testing/devel as they prob will fill up your root disk. Dec 16 00:31:20 ifreq: tried... it fails Dec 16 00:31:38 Hm, who here has tethered with mac Dec 16 00:32:30 didnt that thread work for u Dec 16 00:33:04 No, for some reason the "Connect" button keeps getting greyed out as soon as i enter the *99# stuff Dec 16 00:33:32 :/ Dec 16 00:33:44 perhaps register and post a question Dec 16 00:34:17 eh i should Dec 16 00:35:25 sp3000: speaking of fun map points Dec 16 00:35:31 saana, yemen is in the news Dec 16 00:35:34 there's a civil war there Dec 16 00:35:44 maybe someday nokia will be able to find it on a map.. Dec 16 00:36:07 Elerion, delete User manuals Dec 16 00:36:22 where are they? Dec 16 00:36:30 for reference, this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Dec 16 00:36:31 Bug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space Dec 16 00:36:50 Elerion, More > File Manager > Nokia N 900 > Documents > User Guides Dec 16 00:37:23 hmm. they are smaller than I thought :-/ Dec 16 00:37:29 OK, well, now that i have a console on my device at boot, at least I know what it's doing when it hangs on boot with the dots like: * (*) * * * Dec 16 00:37:31 MALF Dec 16 00:37:41 Elerion, and "maemo_software_copyright.pdf" is 285kB. hmm. :-/ Dec 16 00:38:40 guides are not under rootfs Dec 16 00:46:54 andre__, how did bugday go? Dec 16 00:47:55 GAN900, still running :) Dec 16 00:48:11 quite nice, but haven't seen much new people. should probably have a topic next time Dec 16 00:48:29 as "do what you want and ask if there's questions" is probably a bit overwhelming :) Dec 16 00:49:23 andre__, isn't there a #maemp-bugs? Dec 16 00:49:37 Oh, crap Dec 16 00:49:40 No wonder. Dec 16 00:49:58 installed maemo-control on my n770 running 2008he - trying the control panel "usb networking" applet, it says "USB mode is not writable" Dec 16 00:50:00 Typo fail Dec 16 00:50:07 a cursory google search finds nothing, any suggestions? Dec 16 00:50:16 andre__, a proper agenda couldn't hurt. Dec 16 00:50:50 GAN900, yeah. next time :) Dec 16 00:55:48 * GAN900 is running a new user test program with his DDP device. Dec 16 00:56:48 ? Dec 16 00:56:51 what's that Dec 16 00:57:06 developer device thingy? Dec 16 00:58:14 new user test program Dec 16 00:58:47 no test on this user Dec 16 00:59:10 SpeedEvil, finding new users and having them test the N900 Dec 16 00:59:22 ah Dec 16 00:59:43 * SpeedEvil wonders how many the average is before someone runs off with it. Dec 16 01:00:03 GAN900: What percentage of them read the on-device-manual? 80%, 90%? Dec 16 01:00:13 so no new user here anyway. phooo... safe Dec 16 01:00:23 SpeedEvil, so far? Zero. Dec 16 01:00:39 Shocking. Dec 16 01:00:41 :) Dec 16 01:00:44 SpeedEvil, people I know, by the way. ;) Dec 16 01:01:46 * DocScrutinizer51 thinks manual is quite hard to find Dec 16 01:01:58 It's in the box. Dec 16 01:02:23 duh THAT flyer Dec 16 01:02:59 thought you talk about the thing in myDocs Dec 16 01:03:18 They're the same. :P Dec 16 01:03:18 I did Dec 16 01:03:23 they aren't Dec 16 01:03:29 hahahahaahhahahaha Dec 16 01:03:39 definitely different Dec 16 01:03:53 * SpeedEvil notes that GAN900 diddn't read the manual. Dec 16 01:03:56 * SpeedEvil sighs. Dec 16 01:04:08 SpeedEvil, did, actually. :) Dec 16 01:04:20 Filled about a dozen bugs on it, too. :) Dec 16 01:04:30 i had a read through the gettign started tonight Dec 16 01:04:31 if you think that, and the thing in the box is identical, you diddn't Dec 16 01:04:36 the getting started Dec 16 01:04:38 Only glanced at the one in the box, though. Dec 16 01:04:45 oh - right Dec 16 01:04:55 Said "User Manual" on the first page. Dec 16 01:04:58 the thing in the box - for example - doesn't mention the default lock code Dec 16 01:05:01 finding pdf manual is described in the paper booklet you get with the phone Dec 16 01:05:07 i don't see any problem with it Dec 16 01:05:09 SpeedEvil: nah GAN900 never had a look at the paper ;-D Dec 16 01:05:15 Arkenoi: yes - as is the 'getting started' video Dec 16 01:05:43 Arkenoi: and the getting started video - if you watch it without internet - when you come to the end, and click 'view more guides' - gives you a blank web browser Dec 16 01:05:59 I assumed - not unreasonably - at that point - that there wasn't any more guides. Dec 16 01:06:08 SpeedEvil, have you filed any bugs? :) Dec 16 01:06:12 yes, on that issue Dec 16 01:06:22 and on some others Dec 16 01:13:02 anybody toss me a short instruction how to talk AT to modem? which tty, which prog to use? Dec 16 01:15:59 minicom Dec 16 01:16:58 i request a invitation for submit a extras-devel and a project in garage.... how much need wait for it? ( i make my first app in qt... a google latitude updater ) Dec 16 01:18:51 and.... libqt4-maemo5 will be in extras ? ( not sure if goingo to use libqt4 or libqt4-maemo5 ) Dec 16 01:31:15 Mousey: thanks. Hoped to hear that advice. Any idea about which tty to use? Dec 16 02:01:56 anyone know the md5sum of RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? Dec 16 02:02:10 that's for the wimax edition n810 Dec 16 02:04:30 mm, time to reflash (again) Dec 16 02:05:47 at least it's (relatively) painless Dec 16 02:06:51 are contacts data/history/settings backed-up properly? Dec 16 02:07:42 yes Dec 16 02:08:05 bit of a necessity in this state Dec 16 02:17:18 DocScrutinizer51: or someone can please `dpkg -l getbootstate` for me? Dec 16 02:17:38 microlith: why need to reflash? Dec 16 02:17:58 jebba: ?? Dec 16 02:18:16 is there a way to verify RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? i downloaded the wimax edition n810 image and i'd like to verify it Dec 16 02:18:29 DocScrutinizer51: can you run that on your system, i just want to see the version that is on a stock system (which is what you are running i assume). Dec 16 02:18:39 jebba: because after enough stupid 32wd_to reboots, eventually it just stops booting Dec 16 02:18:46 that's a lowercase L, not an i, by the wway. Dec 16 02:18:57 it gets to the 5 dots and gets stuck on the 2nd (with the backlight off) Dec 16 02:19:11 and extras-devel seems to be inaccessible to me Dec 16 02:19:18 microlith: you have this problem exactly, I bet: Dec 16 02:19:18 anyone awake that knows Java and Serializing objects into files? Dec 16 02:19:19 http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0326.jpg Dec 16 02:19:27 http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0340.jpg Dec 16 02:19:57 jebba: hey, that looks familiar Dec 16 02:20:00 anyway, can someone just run " dpkg -l getbootstate " for me please? uh, and gimme the output ;) (just version number needed) Dec 16 02:20:03 I assume MALF = malformed Dec 16 02:20:10 microlith: exactly. How full was your drive? Dec 16 02:20:25 jebba: I had at least 65MB free Dec 16 02:20:29 oh. Dec 16 02:20:29 * microlith has been careful Dec 16 02:20:32 jebba: dpkg -l getbootstate` Dec 16 02:20:44 grr c+0 error Dec 16 02:21:05 i getbootstate 1.0.35+0m5 Dec 16 02:21:11 ditto Dec 16 02:21:21 DocScrutinizer51: thx Dec 16 02:22:49 jebba: well that would explain why it fails to boot after enough reboots Dec 16 02:23:08 that strikes me as merely a symptom of the larger problem Dec 16 02:23:23 andre__, i need liqbase bugs entry please, with classic,library,apps as components available to use. how would I go about it ? Dec 16 02:24:55 * red is melting due java.io.NotSerializableException Dec 16 02:25:30 lcuk, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#What_applications_maintainers_should_know Dec 16 02:26:38 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 microlith Dec 16 02:26:40 Bug 7019: Please release source code to getbootstate Dec 16 02:28:17 wazd, ping? Dec 16 02:28:27 heh. Dec 16 02:28:33 * andre__ tries to find out about getbootstate Dec 16 02:29:12 yeah, it's closed Dec 16 02:29:17 found it in the internal list Dec 16 02:29:22 * jebba weeps Dec 16 02:29:45 which is quite ridiculous, given that it's basically only three source files :-P Dec 16 02:29:52 andre__: well, the "second dot lit" thing that I saw at 98% full microlith claims to be seeing with 65M full... Dec 16 02:30:21 andre__: any clue about "reset count". Watchdog? Number of reboots? wa? Dec 16 02:30:29 no clue, sorry :-/ Dec 16 02:36:05 ok, not much else i can do with it i suppose. reflashing.... Dec 16 02:40:05 andre__: almost all closed source is plain ridiculous, considering we can always reverse engineer and it doesn't contain any patent worthy hyper new ideas. Keeping the copyright and simply not GPL it would suffice completely to protect Nokia's interests Dec 16 02:40:46 DocScrutinizer-8, context? Dec 16 02:40:53 bug 7019 maybe? :) Dec 16 02:40:54 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" Dec 16 02:40:54 maemo Dec 16 02:41:08 ah Dec 16 02:41:12 sorry. I mixed up channels Dec 16 02:41:21 andre__: e.g. dialer/contacts Dec 16 02:41:24 * andre__ should not work for more than 12 hours probably :-P Dec 16 02:41:45 microlith: how do you know it's a 32wd_to reboot? So are you getting spontaneous reboots? (I'm assumign that's what 32wd_to is right?) Dec 16 02:42:13 andre__: i have ;) Dec 16 02:42:25 DocScrutinizer51: nowadays by default new apps should always be open source if there are no competitive or 3rd party reasons, if I remember correctly Dec 16 02:42:29 but past was different... Dec 16 02:42:55 andre__: really great news Dec 16 02:43:02 I'm not sure with that Dec 16 02:43:02 :-) Dec 16 02:43:05 but I think it is Dec 16 02:43:18 it's complicated Dec 16 02:43:21 * andre__ once again links to http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Dec 16 02:45:27 andre__: thanks for pointer. I have to confess I had too few reading of wiki yet Dec 16 02:50:43 weird, /sbin/bootstate appears to be free (now?) but not getbootstate? I wonder if that's just oversight. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm/ It's just in svn now. Dec 16 02:52:52 "getbootstate: Houston, we have a problem, powering off..." Next line: "Welcome to your upstart powered internet tablet." heh Dec 16 02:54:07 actually the reset count can't be a watchdog, because that loads later on in the boot AFAICT Dec 16 02:54:53 how can i add something to PATH on fremantle for the user user? Dec 16 02:57:54 edit ~/.profile add line with PATH=$PATH:/home/user/bin or whatever. IIRC Dec 16 02:58:14 have to log in & out for it to take effect, or perhaps just run: Dec 16 02:58:33 . ~/.profile (note: period then space then ~/.profile).. That should do it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 16 02:59:57 2009