**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 21 02:59:57 2009 Dec 21 03:00:43 so it's fscking a 27gb or so fs, but I did a badblock test through usb in 35 mins before I had my durr moment and realized the cause of the problem. Dec 21 03:00:51 The following extra packages will be installed: Dec 21 03:00:51 libreadline5 readline-common Dec 21 03:00:51 The following packages will be REMOVED: Dec 21 03:00:51 libreadline4-dev maemo-core-dev maemo-sdk-dev Dec 21 03:00:58 great :P Dec 21 03:03:12 cehteh: ya, that's why i said do readline4 Dec 21 03:03:22 edit debian/control and try downgrading it. Dec 21 03:03:31 Oh, I have the dots... Dec 21 03:03:33 i doubt bash4 will like old stinking readline Dec 21 03:03:48 hmm... Dec 21 03:04:07 booted Dec 21 03:04:23 but that begs the question, how the hell do I trigger a real fsck? Dec 21 03:04:36 do it correctly in your script :P Dec 21 03:04:46 T7g: so the r&d mode did it? Dec 21 03:05:04 no, it just err, booted Dec 21 03:05:21 anyone have vim working good on the N900? Dec 21 03:05:27 sat blank screen for hour and a half, held down power, powered down, turned on again, sat tehre Dec 21 03:05:30 ah, you mean it finally finished the fsck or did you put it in r&d mode? Dec 21 03:05:33 then eventually the dots came up Dec 21 03:05:37 ah cool Dec 21 03:05:38 No, I turned the damn thing off Dec 21 03:05:41 T7g: check out http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Installing_my_custom_kernel Dec 21 03:05:51 that is a kernel with a console so at least you can see WTF is goign on Dec 21 03:06:13 me is still at step 1 ... install my custom shell :P Dec 21 03:06:42 jebba, that sounds awesome Dec 21 03:06:58 In fact, you just answered a question I wanted asked without asking :p Dec 21 03:07:26 i'm getting better Dec 21 03:07:33 it's the fone/computer/camera Dec 21 03:07:57 yeah man, n900 will change all our lives :P Dec 21 03:08:08 So, n900 keeps kernels in /lib? Dec 21 03:08:30 no, keeps modules there Dec 21 03:08:35 back up your old modules for sure. Dec 21 03:08:41 it keeps kernel in /boot, but not really Dec 21 03:08:53 the real kernel it loads it gets from somewhere else methinks Dec 21 03:08:57 It did fsck Dec 21 03:08:58 and gets flashed in there Dec 21 03:09:02 cool Dec 21 03:09:08 Perhaps i stopped it permaturely? Dec 21 03:09:20 but on my gentoo box I did a full badblock scan in 35mins tops... Dec 21 03:09:36 I waited like 1.5 hours at least, unless it was on a third fsck pass... Dec 21 03:10:19 ...... Dec 21 03:10:26 As a side note: Avatar was excellent. Dec 21 03:10:31 T7g: you didn't try to badblocks your SSD? Dec 21 03:10:55 not read/write (-cc) Dec 21 03:11:06 read-only at most I hope Dec 21 03:11:08 I thought about that one, and I know that would've hosed the nand Dec 21 03:11:28 XD Dec 21 03:11:40 thank god I'm not as stupid as I could've been ;) Dec 21 03:11:56 too bad Nokia is Dec 21 03:11:57 <.< Dec 21 03:12:03 swap is probably just about as bad Dec 21 03:12:11 A standard n900 block is 32kb? and the nand writes in 512k blocks? or less? Dec 21 03:12:12 yet it's enabled by default on N900 Dec 21 03:12:23 what is a N900 block? :p Dec 21 03:12:32 I mean, you know the filesystem has x size blocks Dec 21 03:12:41 badblocks uses no filesystem Dec 21 03:12:45 neither does swap Dec 21 03:13:05 I've been drinking, be forewarned Dec 21 03:13:17 ......... Dec 21 03:13:25 if you scroll up it'll make slightly more sense if you see what I've been talkin' about Dec 21 03:13:43 I didn't realize I was dual mounting the ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 over usb Dec 21 03:14:09 thought I had badblocks until I realized the filesystem was just being crazy because it was still mounted when mounted over usb Dec 21 03:15:22 heh Dec 21 03:15:35 That isn't half as bad as when I ported one of my perl scripts to windows and didn't realize I was prefixing the exec calls with ./ still for an hour or so Dec 21 03:16:05 and contrary to what they say, you can get away with live fscking your n900 Dec 21 03:16:14 your data will just randomly disappear on reboots. Dec 21 03:16:19 ......... Dec 21 03:16:30 that's not get away with Dec 21 03:16:38 hahaha, yeah, perhaps not =) Dec 21 03:16:40 vim does not like my keyboard Dec 21 03:17:53 Vim doesn't like anything. Use Emacs. Dec 21 03:18:02 * GiantTalkingCow runs away. Dec 21 03:18:47 badblocks on an SSD would be funny Dec 21 03:18:54 rather, it IS funny Dec 21 03:18:59 in that it doesn't work at all Dec 21 03:19:41 SSDs, mmc/sd, etc have that load spreading stuff. Your bad block will constantly move around :) Dec 21 03:19:58 I have a transcend 1GB SD card that does that :) Dec 21 03:20:27 the range of blocks this bad block moves to is limited, but it's quite big Dec 21 03:21:04 I guess I should've came here before I started screwing with my n900 but I haven't had to reflash yet so I'm doing alright so far. Dec 21 03:21:07 heh .. actually they do checksumming and error correction so they find the bad blocks and replace them Dec 21 03:21:30 On the n900 cehteh ? Or SSD's in general? Dec 21 03:21:30 even cheap ones have to do that they rely even more on error correction Dec 21 03:21:42 in general Dec 21 03:22:06 cehteh, they *should* find bad blocks and replace them Dec 21 03:22:35 btw, the bad block goes away if I access the card slowly Dec 21 03:22:47 the nand prolly not, ubi/ubifs is completely managed by the linux mtd layer including error correction, wear leveling and so on iirc Dec 21 03:23:16 it's not a transport error, I think, because then the bad bits would be spread out over the entire card, or could appear over the entire card Dec 21 03:23:30 yeah the onenand is different Dec 21 03:24:13 SSDs and SD/mmc run their own ftl to make them look like harddrives/etc Dec 21 03:37:06 Lo, I was on earlier and a guy suggested I hard link /usr to /usr-del so that I can symlink /home/usr to /usr.... reboot... then delete /usr-del Dec 21 03:37:17 i.e. move usr to eemmc but kinda-sudo-safely Dec 21 03:37:36 but hard linking usr to usr-del don't work... I just get "Operation not permitted" any tips on why? Dec 21 03:37:41 and yeah I'm root Dec 21 03:38:49 You can't hard link directories. Dec 21 03:39:01 Use cp -al Dec 21 03:39:24 i know what a is.. whats l? Dec 21 03:39:39 It makes hard links instead of copying the files. Dec 21 03:39:47 for every file/dir it finds? Dec 21 03:39:49 yeah Dec 21 03:39:51 For every file. Dec 21 03:39:55 You can't hard link directories. Dec 21 03:40:09 so the _real_ /usr would be left behind... just a bunch of empty directories? Dec 21 03:40:18 with symlinks Dec 21 03:40:40 I don't know what you're trying to do, but you'll likely screw up your device. Dec 21 03:40:41 nah don't want symlinks Dec 21 03:40:54 if I have symlinks I can't delete the real /usr Dec 21 03:41:00 I don't think /home is mounted early enough to replace /usr. Dec 21 03:41:01 derf, I think he's trying to avoid bricking by filling up the 256mb chip Dec 21 03:41:14 T7g, yup Dec 21 03:41:22 Yes. I'm saying what he's trying won't work. Dec 21 03:41:25 home is not mounted until after /etc/event.d/rcS-late Dec 21 03:41:29 I've reflashed already - so I can try as many times as needed to get it right lol Dec 21 03:41:46 Well it's mounted in that file Dec 21 03:41:47 sorry Dec 21 03:42:00 so? Dec 21 03:42:31 so /user is already there when you mount /home, which means you can't replace /usr with it Dec 21 03:42:40 without losing everything on /usr at least Dec 21 03:42:47 you can mount over it but then you can't access the original /usr Dec 21 03:43:14 forgive the typo after his so and my so /user (should be /usr) Dec 21 03:43:22 no no... I'm hard linking usr to usr-del so that I can symlink /home/usr to /usr so I can delete the real usr (now usr-del) after Dec 21 03:43:33 basically doing what is already done to /opt Dec 21 03:44:04 but if you did that, then /usr would be hard linked to somewhere that does not exist Dec 21 03:44:19 because /home/usr isn't there when /usr needs to be there Dec 21 03:44:20 no it wouldn't it would be symlinked not hard linked Dec 21 03:44:39 no, no, you don't understand, /home won't be mounted when you need your /usr Dec 21 03:44:51 and when is that? what needs it? Dec 21 03:45:13 well, that is a question better answered by the rest of the folks in the channel, but at least something I would imagine Dec 21 03:45:22 bah I want to try anyway Dec 21 03:45:26 whats the problem? Dec 21 03:45:30 that's cool, I'm curious for one Dec 21 03:45:35 I'm told var is a bad idea... but usr should be ok Dec 21 03:45:39 this was earlier today Dec 21 03:46:00 type_t, he wants to symlink /usr to /home/usr and reboot I think, not realizing that /home/usr isn't mounted until long after /usr is needed ? Dec 21 03:46:46 or maybe not, basically he's trying to solve the optification problem in one fell swoop Dec 21 03:46:57 but to do that (and delete the real /usr) I need to hard link /usr to something else so I can delete it after I've made the symlink Dec 21 03:47:03 but hard links won't work for some reason Dec 21 03:47:08 right? to just have your /usr on /home so it never fills installing from apt? Dec 21 03:47:18 exactly Dec 21 03:47:19 well you can't hardlink directories as the gentleman above said. Dec 21 03:47:22 hard links are only allowable on one device Dec 21 03:47:35 yeah well it's the same device Dec 21 03:47:46 ln /usr /usr-del Dec 21 03:47:56 cp -a /usr /home/usr Dec 21 03:48:06 ln -s /home/usr /usr Dec 21 03:48:09 yes but you have to understand how things are mounted on startup Dec 21 03:48:11 REBOOT Dec 21 03:48:14 that could work until you have to reboot Dec 21 03:48:16 rm -Rf /usr-del Dec 21 03:48:38 but if I can't hard link a dir... then I've no way of getting rid of the ORIGINAL /usr Dec 21 03:48:39 can you go look at /etc/event.d/rcS-late? Dec 21 03:48:53 See that is all on the / partition, and so is /usr, it is on the / partition as well Dec 21 03:48:59 thats fine then Dec 21 03:49:00 and / is mounted first Dec 21 03:49:08 and it mounts /home, and then /MyDocs Dec 21 03:49:12 sure Dec 21 03:49:36 look if it fails then thats fine... I'll reflash and only do certain directories like the maemo wiki says Dec 21 03:49:43 but if I can move all of /usr then thats easier Dec 21 03:49:52 guys? is there any reason he can't get rid of /usr before booting and mounting /home? Dec 21 03:50:13 I could be wrong granted but the way I understand it, it shouldn't be possible Dec 21 03:50:24 just because /usr isn't mounted by itself, it's part of the mount of / Dec 21 03:50:29 so copy usr to home... symlink it... then some how access the / filesystem to delete the original /usr ? Dec 21 03:50:34 device here has all the apps i care to install and 23MB free on / Dec 21 03:50:50 pupnik, I easily reached the limit easier Dec 21 03:50:53 *earlier Dec 21 03:51:18 T7g, well /opt isn't mounted by itself... it's just a symlink to /home/opt Dec 21 03:51:25 your best bet is to do this maybe... I am drunk so don't take me too seriously lant, but maybe keep a minimal /usr in your setup and then after mounting home, mount -o bind /home/usr /usr Dec 21 03:51:45 nah! no bind mounts! Dec 21 03:51:53 they get done much much much later I think Dec 21 03:52:08 no, you do this manually in /etc/event.d/rcS-late Dec 21 03:52:28 yeah but I'm still left with a problem on how to delete the original /usr Dec 21 03:52:45 you don't, you slim it down before you switch and leave it alone. Dec 21 03:52:54 want to destroy it instead Dec 21 03:52:58 KABAM! Dec 21 03:52:59 it's needed to boot before you rebind your /usr from a different directory Dec 21 03:53:06 or to ehh Dec 21 03:53:20 "it's needed to boot" by what? Dec 21 03:53:36 for what! Dec 21 03:53:45 these things I will learn when I brick it for the 3rd time in a week :D Dec 21 03:53:58 KABAM! Dec 21 03:54:33 can I use a delete tool that ignores symlinks? i.e. it looks on the raw file system for a /usr and deletes it - ignoring the symlink already at /usr Dec 21 03:54:44 I think if there was an easy solution to all of this that someone other than one of us would've came up with it :p Dec 21 03:54:58 I just repartitioned lant, you can't use it over USB properly but otherwise you're fine. Dec 21 03:55:23 why repartitioned? what advantage is that? Dec 21 03:55:29 you put the whole filesystem on the eemc? Dec 21 03:55:38 okay Dec 21 03:55:40 your problem: Dec 21 03:55:42 heh, find /usr -size +1500 reveals some things Dec 21 03:56:03 KABAM! Dec 21 03:56:05 can't install apps Dec 21 03:56:12 need more than 2gb? Dec 21 03:56:16 sure! Dec 21 03:56:21 32 would be nice Dec 21 03:56:28 have you switched your 2gb ext3 partition and your 27gb vfat partition yet? Dec 21 03:56:29 don't need this thing as usb storage Dec 21 03:56:41 eh!? Dec 21 03:56:51 okay good, there is a forum thread that teaches you an advanced way to switch your partition type flags on your table Dec 21 03:56:56 the n900 seems to autogen fstabs Dec 21 03:57:09 so theres 2gb of NAND flash? Dec 21 03:57:15 There is 32gb Dec 21 03:57:18 your suggesting stick swap on the 32gb? Dec 21 03:57:19 it's split weird Dec 21 03:57:21 No Dec 21 03:57:28 I'm sugges Dec 21 03:57:28 * Lantizia is confused.com Dec 21 03:57:55 Okay, your N900 is basically a single flash device (other than tha main rootfs? I am no expert so please correct) Dec 21 03:58:02 that is partitioned Dec 21 03:58:06 from what I hear it is not Dec 21 03:58:11 2 seperate storage devices Dec 21 03:58:17 there is some little 256mb chip maybe for the rootfs Dec 21 03:58:32 ok Dec 21 03:58:42 well that chip can sod off... way too small Dec 21 03:58:42 so, I mean, you have that 256mb Dec 21 03:59:08 now you can install with apt-get and it will by default for packages that are not "optified" install to that 256mb chip, bad of course Dec 21 03:59:21 yes like perl which I attempted to install Dec 21 03:59:26 so frozen bubble would work lol Dec 21 03:59:35 otherwise optified packages will appear in /home/opty Dec 21 03:59:41 -y, anyways Dec 21 03:59:48 flobopuyo, enigma, xchat leave some things that seem optifiable Dec 21 03:59:49 * Lantizia feels opty Dec 21 04:00:01 hatari also Dec 21 04:00:09 you basically need to tell perl not to install to /usr, but to /home/opt instead Dec 21 04:00:24 would rather move usr to home Dec 21 04:00:28 if you install anything substantial to the 256mb chip, you'll fill it Dec 21 04:00:36 I know! we all would I bet, it's a great idea I admit Dec 21 04:00:41 i just don't know how doable it is Dec 21 04:00:44 well I wanna try that first! Dec 21 04:00:51 I don't know if the n900 needs anything from /usr before mounting /home Dec 21 04:00:59 hell one sec I'm gonna try it Dec 21 04:01:06 I'm gonna try it without removing the original /usr Dec 21 04:01:15 First unless you wanna brick a lot and reflash is you need to install jebba's kernel with console so you can tell us the error messages Dec 21 04:01:15 it'll be small at the moment anyway as I just reflashed Dec 21 04:01:36 that sounds like work Dec 21 04:01:52 you just bought the n900, your idea of a great sunday night isn't installing Debian? Dec 21 04:01:53 Nokia-N900-42-11:/home# cp -a /usr . Dec 21 04:02:04 well got it a week ago Dec 21 04:02:17 see I loved the Zaurus machines... openzaurus on there - boot from SD card... lovely Dec 21 04:02:26 sd cards are slow Dec 21 04:02:32 but spacious Dec 21 04:02:53 256mb is frankly pathetic Dec 21 04:03:02 Ah, well, that is bascially Dec 21 04:03:09 you fail to grasp the nature of Thai Quan Leep Dec 21 04:03:15 256mb for the people that are incapable of working with linux :p Dec 21 04:03:18 approach so that you may learn Dec 21 04:03:20 you can work around it Dec 21 04:03:39 yes like moving usr to home :D Dec 21 04:03:40 think of it like a fun puzzle Dec 21 04:03:52 think of it as a waste of timem Dec 21 04:04:01 yay! Dec 21 04:04:03 KABAM! Dec 21 04:04:10 to be honest lant, I think after a few more people actually get their phones they ordered and the holidays pass we'll see a lot more movement in that stuff Dec 21 04:04:23 what stuff?? Dec 21 04:04:30 people moaning about the space? Dec 21 04:04:36 people doing something about it. Dec 21 04:05:03 ok usr copied... making symlink Dec 21 04:05:33 damn it! won't do it while it exists Dec 21 04:05:48 hmm I could move it then symlink Dec 21 04:06:05 * Lantizia makes a crappy shell script to do it quickly Dec 21 04:06:15 * jebba hearts quilt Dec 21 04:06:22 it's good we have people that are willing to try it like you are though lant, waste of time or not, who knows, it is inspiring. Dec 21 04:06:40 YAY it worked! Dec 21 04:06:47 I renamed /usr to /moo Dec 21 04:06:50 heh Dec 21 04:06:51 and made a symlink to /home/usr Dec 21 04:06:56 * Lantizia deletes /moo Dec 21 04:07:23 if this works when I reboot I'll be really happy Dec 21 04:07:23 Okay well I can tell you one thing for sure Dec 21 04:07:26 If it does not work Dec 21 04:07:31 * Lantizia reboots Dec 21 04:07:37 then it means you can not symlink to /home Dec 21 04:07:51 before the n900 needs something from /usr Dec 21 04:07:51 well lets see :D Dec 21 04:08:24 lol it's on a reboot loop Dec 21 04:08:33 come on little N900! Dec 21 04:08:45 the little n900 needs /usr there until after /home is mounted Dec 21 04:08:55 fuck buckets... time for another reflash Dec 21 04:08:56 so wait and then mount -o bind an image of /usr Dec 21 04:09:15 on a writable bigger parition afterwards Dec 21 04:09:16 let it do it's reboot loops (?) Dec 21 04:09:27 nah it's rebooted like 6 times now hehe Dec 21 04:09:30 you have to duplicate it but it's your only choice. Dec 21 04:09:55 T7g, well I can still delete the original /usr ... your saying add a mount bind in a script? Dec 21 04:10:13 Here is what I think a solution could be for yo u Dec 21 04:10:18 You leave your /usr as is. Dec 21 04:10:19 that clock_worldmap_time_chooser.jpg could be reduced from 1MB to something a bit smaller Dec 21 04:10:40 you copy it to /home/usr 0a Dec 21 04:10:44 e Dec 21 04:11:05 err -a, then you mount -o bind however you do that command after mounting /home in /etc/event.d/rcS-late Dec 21 04:11:14 either work out what files are used before /home is mounted - and leave those - or mount home earlier Dec 21 04:11:20 T7g, but if I mount bind when it's needed in rcS-late... then it should be fine without the original /usr Dec 21 04:11:21 which may slow boot down a little Dec 21 04:11:49 or even boot up Dec 21 04:11:53 No, you don't understand Lant, I think you're trying to reference /home/usr before it's mounted Dec 21 04:12:06 the symlink will always reference /home/usr, even if it's not mounted Dec 21 04:12:10 ah, it's probably doing a fsck.vfat and failing (hence reboot) when it should fsck.ext3 ??? I havent really been paying attention to wha tyou¿'ve been doing tho Dec 21 04:12:11 it'll just fail if it's not there Dec 21 04:12:12 yes I know that Dec 21 04:12:16 I know! Dec 21 04:12:20 was just hoping it didn't need it on boot up Dec 21 04:12:25 jebba, I fixed my thinger Dec 21 04:12:28 or at least before home gets mounted Dec 21 04:12:43 T7g: how? Dec 21 04:12:43 We're trying to help Lant fix the optification problem somehow Dec 21 04:12:49 he wants symlinks, I want mount -o binds Dec 21 04:12:59 well bind mounts are next :D Dec 21 04:13:16 gotta reflash first (again lol) Dec 21 04:13:19 jebba, I just let it reboot, I guess fsck ignored it once it was done right, perhaps it got stuck wanting to reboot and the N900 doesn't like doing that proper? Dec 21 04:13:37 I noticed shutdown -r does crap Dec 21 04:14:10 perhaps fsck wanted to -r the system after fixing it and then couldn't, and after manual powerdown started up and didn't check the clean filesystem (thank god I omitted -f) Dec 21 04:14:31 ah cool. sudo reboot works. But T7g bit warning: don't reboot your device 17 times without a power off with powercable (usb) disconnected or it bricks! Dec 21 04:14:52 T7g, I will be back! gotta go into linux to reflash... this 64bit windows box doesn't like the flasher Dec 21 04:14:55 I read that sir, as a precaution I never type reboot, I hit the power button and choose "Switch Off" Dec 21 04:15:06 there, 45MB free on / and all apps still happy Dec 21 04:15:13 Alright lant, I might be passed out drunk before you get back but I have 24oz to go so you should have some time., Dec 21 04:15:34 I run a really goofy gentoo linux system with a read only root partition Dec 21 04:15:41 hehe T7g Dec 21 04:15:50 hahah Dec 21 04:16:00 I just have /etc stored as /eti, let it boot from /etc and then do a tmpfs and copy /eti to it Dec 21 04:16:01 some fuse stuff so you can monitor changes? Dec 21 04:16:09 No, god I'm so lazy Dec 21 04:16:41 works great though, booting off a ssd on my main box so I love that it's mounted read-only Dec 21 04:16:44 what do you do that for/ Dec 21 04:16:48 ohhh Dec 21 04:17:13 trying to squeeze life out of it Dec 21 04:17:21 it's an ocz vertex 32gb Dec 21 04:17:45 all variable files are mounted over it from my 1tb wd Dec 21 04:18:08 so I kinda have some experience with booting and crazy configs that aren't writable Dec 21 04:18:20 I haven't updated /etc in forever, ehh, I wonder when that's gonna cause problems.. Dec 21 04:18:26 MEOW! Dec 21 04:18:28 * lantizia is back, and reflashed Dec 21 04:18:38 that was quick Dec 21 04:18:45 256mb only though? Dec 21 04:18:45 yeeeeah :D Dec 21 04:18:57 yeah the normal file off the nokia/maemo site Dec 21 04:19:06 gotta put ssh back on here tho now Dec 21 04:19:28 be a man, type with the n900's keyboard Dec 21 04:19:39 I'm not that much of a man Dec 21 04:19:44 let it frustrate the living shit out of you! Dec 21 04:19:47 what did you just flash with? Dec 21 04:19:57 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 21 04:20:19 is that a new firmware? Dec 21 04:20:24 new?! Dec 21 04:20:33 o_O Dec 21 04:20:34 oh wait nvm, that's the same one Dec 21 04:20:39 theres newer! Dec 21 04:20:43 GIMME! Dec 21 04:20:48 got all excited for a second. there isn't ... yet Dec 21 04:20:56 ah ok lol Dec 21 04:21:27 1.92009.42-11.002 Dec 21 04:22:19 isn't that older? Dec 21 04:22:57 just a diff way of saying it I think Dec 21 04:22:59 T7g: ok ready to rollllllll! Dec 21 04:23:04 whats the new plan? :D Dec 21 04:23:30 The best I can give you as a suggestion is... Dec 21 04:23:37 Okay Dec 21 04:23:52 bootup, main desktop, open yer term, sudogainroot all that Dec 21 04:23:58 cp -a /usr /home Dec 21 04:24:08 so it's /home/usr Dec 21 04:24:17 leave /usr alone Dec 21 04:24:24 ok copying... Dec 21 04:24:28 then using your editor of choice edit /etc/event.d/rcS-late Dec 21 04:24:51 well I don't have an editor of choice... my choice would be nano -- but nokia are nano haters Dec 21 04:24:55 look for "# We can safely continue booting now." Dec 21 04:25:03 you can apt-get install nano Dec 21 04:25:04 NANO HATERS! Dec 21 04:25:08 leafpad :) Dec 21 04:25:11 I don't see it... maybe I missed it Dec 21 04:25:16 I did look for it in apt Dec 21 04:25:18 just don't ctl-w and try to search, it'll segfault Dec 21 04:25:23 lol Dec 21 04:25:28 do this from console Dec 21 04:25:32 im in ssh Dec 21 04:25:36 anyways, once your /usr is copied to /home/usr Dec 21 04:25:40 done Dec 21 04:26:00 * lantizia welcome everyone to "Baking with your N900" Dec 21 04:26:00 then you edit /etc/event.d/rcS-late, and before "# We can safely continue booting now." Dec 21 04:26:40 before that line add something like "mount -o bind /home/usr /usr" Dec 21 04:26:48 that should make /home/usr your new /usr Dec 21 04:26:50 and what if rcS-late is updated later? Dec 21 04:26:59 be vigilant? :p Dec 21 04:27:03 lol Dec 21 04:27:09 wat if your n900's lithium battery catches fire and you die? :p Dec 21 04:27:12 I dunno, be prepared :p Dec 21 04:27:22 i'll have nightmares now Dec 21 04:27:24 Now I am not sure this'll work but Dec 21 04:27:29 my N900 better not be catching fire Dec 21 04:27:29 best guess I have Dec 21 04:27:29 but why not! Dec 21 04:27:39 seems like in theory it should work Dec 21 04:27:41 peh the n900 was free Dec 21 04:27:55 if it does work can delete the real /usr ? :D Dec 21 04:27:58 PWEEEASE Dec 21 04:28:01 you'll have to have your normal /usr on the / partition, but after booting you'll bind the same files with your own additions from /home Dec 21 04:28:03 NO Dec 21 04:28:07 AWWW Dec 21 04:28:13 you cannot delete the real /usr, this should FIX it Dec 21 04:28:21 your meanie Dec 21 04:28:36 I'm only teasing :) Dec 21 04:28:38 instead of installing to the 256mb partition's /usr, you'll install to your /home/usr, keeping your real /usr safe and sound Dec 21 04:28:44 thanks for your input in all this by the way Dec 21 04:28:53 that's fine :p I'm only drinking! Dec 21 04:28:58 Oh nah, my pleasure Dec 21 04:29:13 If it works (probably won't) perhaps that could fix some huge issue Dec 21 04:29:14 who knows Dec 21 04:29:52 to me... usr is used for the same things you expect opt to be used for.... but opt has less structure Dec 21 04:30:03 so both -ought- be usable from home Dec 21 04:30:06 yeah I'm a gentoo guy so really fuck /opt Dec 21 04:30:14 yeah Dec 21 04:30:53 and yeah, you could just be saving me reflashes, if it works for you I don't mind duplicating a hundred or even two hundred megabytes of /usr on /home as long as I don't have to micromanage the filesystem Dec 21 04:31:10 ok DONE! Dec 21 04:31:13 REEEEEBOOOOOOT Dec 21 04:31:18 wwait Dec 21 04:31:22 did you do that rcS-late thing Dec 21 04:31:22 wha Dec 21 04:31:23 ? Dec 21 04:31:28 yeah I did that thing Dec 21 04:31:33 and I ran the command for fun too Dec 21 04:31:39 so right before you did the mount -o bind? Dec 21 04:31:45 and when you ran the command it worked too? Dec 21 04:31:48 sure! Dec 21 04:31:59 okay, then give it a try sir, if you've done wat I said! Dec 21 04:32:18 i have sir Dec 21 04:32:44 the slider on my N900 is a little difficult to slide up and down, is there a way to grease it? Dec 21 04:32:57 The way I see it, it's gonna boot off it's normal /usr and then after mounting /home it'll bind your /home/usr over your normal /usr Dec 21 04:33:02 woooooooooooooo Dec 21 04:33:17 lovely nokia tune there Dec 21 04:33:21 hands all over the place Dec 21 04:33:27 At least I didn't brick your shit :p Dec 21 04:33:44 we'll need to see mount's output at least to know if it's working Dec 21 04:33:49 T7g: and looking at mount that command worked on boot Dec 21 04:34:01 tadaaa Dec 21 04:34:06 I just learned about mount -o bind the other day Dec 21 04:34:19 i've been using them for years on my servers Dec 21 04:34:21 like fer serious, from the manpage Dec 21 04:34:28 handy for ftp daemons that don't like symlinks Dec 21 04:34:33 what, manpages actually taught us something!? Dec 21 04:34:43 always! Dec 21 04:34:45 right so now I can delete /usr ? Dec 21 04:34:46 :D Dec 21 04:34:56 if you do you'll delete /usr/home :p Dec 21 04:35:00 or err Dec 21 04:35:02 I'm kidding! :D Dec 21 04:35:04 otherway, /home/usr Dec 21 04:35:18 but yeah, try filling that shit up man, see if that bind works Dec 21 04:35:24 I could write a script to unmount... move it... remount Dec 21 04:35:33 well... unmount... move it... mkdir usr... remount Dec 21 04:35:38 really, if /usr is on /home then apt won't fuck up / Dec 21 04:35:49 and you can literally symlink anything else off / Dec 21 04:35:54 im gonna try getting rid of the original :D Dec 21 04:36:00 you will brick :P Dec 21 04:36:03 100% :p Dec 21 04:36:07 lets see :D Dec 21 04:36:19 At least I got you to reboot without brick, hahaha Dec 21 04:37:00 umount -f usr Dec 21 04:37:00 mv usr moo Dec 21 04:37:00 mkdir usr Dec 21 04:37:00 mount -o bind /home/usr /usr Dec 21 04:37:06 thats my script :D Dec 21 04:37:32 won't unmount it lol Dec 21 04:37:37 the reason your stuff bricked before though was because /usr wasn't there Dec 21 04:37:37 yes Dec 21 04:37:44 brb Dec 21 04:37:46 see, I just almost bricked doing this ext3 conversion Dec 21 04:38:17 Am I being stupid? Is this a workable solution to /usr filling up and not optifying packages? Dec 21 04:38:32 ahaaa, it's not calling amixer that fixes, but pasuspender Dec 21 04:38:44 pasuspender ls works too Dec 21 04:38:46 Oh geez dude, yeah, I hear PA is BAD Dec 21 04:38:53 but It works fine for me so far Dec 21 04:39:06 no it's wonderful, just takes some cpu Dec 21 04:39:20 yayyyyyy, just ordered N900 :D Dec 21 04:39:46 gstssier: yey! Dec 21 04:39:46 congrats sir :D from amazon? :E Dec 21 04:39:54 nope, mobilecityonline :) Dec 21 04:39:58 priority shipping Dec 21 04:40:16 can't wait to get this Dec 21 04:40:26 Amazon sold out of pre-orders, and newegg had a cancel I caught at the perfect time, had it shipped overnight, got here 1 day late, but so happy, friend ordered day before me and still hasn't shioppped. Dec 21 04:40:26 it is a very sexy phone Dec 21 04:40:47 I currently have an E71 its outdated LOL Dec 21 04:41:05 hehe anyone here want to buy a used iPhone 3G? Dec 21 04:41:08 overnight is nice... but since I'm in canada Im stucked with long shipping time and duties charges lol Dec 21 04:41:15 At times I thought I had dead pixel but I think that was just me imagining it, no DP, no mic issues, (FM radio was shit, but bluetooth works great with wiimote), and no reboots at -all- Dec 21 04:42:09 mic was one of my concerns :S its a dice toss... but well, i think it was just a batch of defect N900... mobilecityonline just received a new stock, I hope that i won't have problems! but let's not think about it !! haha Dec 21 04:43:05 ehh I saw some thread today with people havnig complaints... Dec 21 04:43:29 hmm, it does not appreciate rmmod -f phonet Dec 21 04:43:40 what's that? rmmod -f phonet Dec 21 04:43:41 it does not respect /forcefsck :P Dec 21 04:43:55 and whats /forcefsck haha Dec 21 04:43:57 playing with modules Dec 21 04:43:59 ahhhhhhh Dec 21 04:44:04 i wont play with them Dec 21 04:44:06 well... i think Dec 21 04:44:07 :S Dec 21 04:44:23 seems to be phone unit. i'd like to control that radio. Dec 21 04:44:33 gtessier00, fsck is a linux filesystem checker program, /forcefsck is a file most distros test for to decide whether or not to force a file-system check Dec 21 04:44:46 oh alright Dec 21 04:44:52 so u guys know how to use C++ ? Dec 21 04:45:01 nope Dec 21 04:45:25 (for serious) Dec 21 04:45:37 and u use the terminal?? Dec 21 04:45:56 yes that is much lesser of a strife Dec 21 04:46:52 BACK! Dec 21 04:46:54 KABAM! Dec 21 04:47:04 so anyway I'm going to do /var the same way now Dec 21 04:47:08 or is that a looony idea Dec 21 04:47:20 ^ why not just repartition? Dec 21 04:47:32 explain Dec 21 04:47:44 I tried to earlier Dec 21 04:47:46 if I can put rootfs on eemmc then thats fine Dec 21 04:47:54 if they find something that can be done with just shell commands, one could make a .deb out of it Dec 21 04:48:00 how long does your battery last guys ? on a normal day Dec 21 04:48:05 read this-> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35122&page=7 (really really good) Dec 21 04:48:07 a day lol Dec 21 04:48:11 4-10 hours Dec 21 04:48:11 or not cause you don't mind reflashing Dec 21 04:48:18 not bad for the hardware thats in it Dec 21 04:48:46 T7g: and that explains what? Dec 21 04:48:57 repatitioning Dec 21 04:49:13 4-10 hours :| Dec 21 04:49:14 there's a list of commands that is good to study Dec 21 04:49:23 looks a little unfinished Dec 21 04:49:35 lots of people arguing, etc etc... I'll wait for a wiki page Dec 21 04:49:52 worked for me, I now have a 2gb vfat and an XXgb ext3 Dec 21 04:49:59 if i'm not using it much, it lasts all day Dec 21 04:50:15 T7g: ok well give me what you tried (exactly) and I'll repeat Dec 21 04:50:16 cant wait to get itttttttttttttttt Dec 21 04:50:16 here's the battery crap Dec 21 04:50:25 if you use wifi, it pulls the wifi current even when you turn it off Dec 21 04:50:35 you have to shutdown/reboot after using wifi to turn the radio off (I hear) Dec 21 04:50:35 I also ordered a proporta 3400mAh turbocharger LOL to have enough battery Dec 21 04:50:45 yeah i also heard that Dec 21 04:51:00 I do it, and I can say it probably is true Dec 21 04:51:09 thats not a big concern Dec 21 04:51:27 it's a 15x battery increase if you don't pay attention tho :P Dec 21 04:51:40 or decrease, I should say Dec 21 04:52:46 is there a proper guide on this repartitioning business? Dec 21 04:53:01 yes sir, the page I showed you :p Dec 21 04:53:07 thats not a guide Dec 21 04:53:10 if you have no fear of brick then sir this guide will work Dec 21 04:53:12 it's a bunch of people "wondering" Dec 21 04:53:18 I can help you, ehh Dec 21 04:53:32 pm me or somethin' gotta paste lots Dec 21 04:59:26 how do i force maemo application to dump core on crash? ulimit -c does not seem to work Dec 21 05:04:04 since we are "wondering" many things i'll guess. its probably not possible since the binaries are stripped. and so on.. Dec 21 05:10:01 help how do i use "sudo" it does not seem to take my root password (that works over ssh) Dec 21 05:10:23 maybe i try ssh loopback Dec 21 05:11:27 odinm: does your user have sudo perms? Dec 21 05:11:53 also, by default, sudo takes the *user's* password, not root's Dec 21 05:15:28 hi Dec 21 05:15:36 anyone? Dec 21 05:16:15 nope Dec 21 05:16:29 hello oldtang Dec 21 05:16:33 hi Dec 21 05:16:40 nice to meet you all Dec 21 05:16:45 nice to meet you Dec 21 05:17:02 I meet a problem, I can't run maemo examples Dec 21 05:17:13 gt, where are you from? Dec 21 05:17:20 i'm from canada Dec 21 05:17:21 and you Dec 21 05:17:27 china Dec 21 05:17:44 great Dec 21 05:17:44 did you run maemo 5 examples? Dec 21 05:18:13 no I'm not an expert :S you should ask someone else here, but people may be sleeping haha Dec 21 05:18:16 oh how do i give my user perm to use sudo with any command or can i make /bin/su suid to use it? Dec 21 05:18:50 thanks any way Dec 21 05:19:24 my hellworld on maemo is just successful, I am still a binginner Dec 21 05:19:55 odinm, i don't know either Dec 21 05:20:44 the exec /bin/su is busybox haha Dec 21 05:21:42 or is there a good gui text editor? Dec 21 05:21:59 odinm: visudo, rtfm Dec 21 05:22:38 the thing u think about the you decide to travel with N900 at least i go somewhere hot away from this snow Dec 21 05:25:29 vim is very good Dec 21 05:25:33 and very powerful Dec 21 05:25:41 * Arkenoi updated recorder crash bug with straces Dec 21 05:27:43 vim is downloading 21mb yikes hope its optified Dec 21 05:28:47 where do you want to use it? windows xp or N900? Dec 21 05:28:57 odinm: there may be another smaller vim pkg? Dec 21 05:32:27 gainroot? can see it in sudoers; how do you exit vim w/o save? Dec 21 05:33:06 rootfs still has 21mb left after vim install heart attack Dec 21 05:34:02 :q Dec 21 05:34:11 why did you just install vim if you don't know even the basics? Dec 21 05:34:45 I am using vim, it is very powerful Dec 21 05:34:50 haha Dec 21 05:35:08 i normally use joe Dec 21 05:35:11 gosh I hate vim, I like nano.. Dec 21 05:35:19 QUEUE THE EDITOR WARS!!! Dec 21 05:35:30 have used vim b4 seem so easy from pc workstation Dec 21 05:36:10 that it Im "apt-get install emacs" Dec 21 05:37:09 hmm 3.5g gone only 2g now r u all there? Dec 21 05:37:13 vim can be used like IDE, do whatever you want Dec 21 05:39:15 oh vim uses same cmds as "vi" so sorted now Dec 21 05:40:24 ah good not lost cellular connection while traveling Dec 21 05:40:49 I use kate, nano, and vim Dec 21 05:41:52 oh u can only xterm once? i want one root and one user to test Dec 21 05:42:23 no Dec 21 05:42:29 go to application menu Dec 21 05:42:30 I can't get vim to work properly Dec 21 05:42:38 next to clock/battery odinm Dec 21 05:42:38 why? Dec 21 05:42:40 doesn't register arrow keys or enter key properly Dec 21 05:42:44 fwiw, Maemo's terminal is not xterm.. Dec 21 05:42:45 then go to new Dec 21 05:43:12 wat he said, use the one from the devel repo Dec 21 05:43:21 or wait no Dec 21 05:43:28 shit, just use the ez to get one Dec 21 05:43:39 you can get multiple terminals going Dec 21 05:43:47 hmm gainroot opens a subshell busybox but its not root Dec 21 05:43:59 * Arkenoi tried apt-get install gcc, surprisingly enough it is not there :-( Dec 21 05:44:02 odinm do sudo gainroot? Dec 21 05:44:59 thanks that works (weird it did now warn me) Dec 21 05:45:40 s/now/not/ Dec 21 05:45:42 odinm meant: thanks that works (weird it did not warn me) Dec 21 05:45:56 it should have said busybox is real busy and You are Not Root!.. Dec 21 05:47:07 ok thanks all maybe another odinm installment for yous all laters Dec 21 05:48:14 odinm what are you up to still making your custom user environment? Dec 21 05:48:24 oh yes i found "new" in xterminal app menu Dec 21 05:49:09 still hating busybox? Dec 21 05:49:18 ha thats good have lost cellular signal for a moment and no disconnect Dec 21 05:50:39 yes busyboxless package will be out soon (as i get back from holidays) Dec 21 05:51:36 i just wanted to make sure i have root access to device (so i can fix/mess with stuff while i away) Dec 21 05:51:44 thanks again all Dec 21 06:19:46 omfg Dec 21 06:20:08 i can connect to the pptp vpn. i can login ... i can ping the router's ip xxx.100 but i can't ping xxx.1 etc Dec 21 06:20:12 what the hell! argh! Dec 21 06:27:05 if an access point supports "WMM-APSD (Automatic Power Save Delivery)", is that good enough for the N900, it does it have to be PSM? Dec 21 06:28:18 Macer xxx.100 is the router and who is xxx.1? Dec 21 06:31:16 BBNS is having a bad connection .. he keeps droping out and in... Dec 21 06:33:47 <---Flaging BBNS as he comes in for a landing .. i hope he cathces the cable this time... Dec 21 06:35:19 LOL Dec 21 06:35:47 sorry Dec 21 06:35:55 type_t: xxx.1 is a box on the lan Dec 21 06:36:04 wired box on the same subnet of the vpn Dec 21 06:36:39 maybe i should see if i can get tomato on this thing because now i can't even connect to the vpn tethered Dec 21 06:53:05 vtopic Dec 21 07:06:45 mpf, no ip nor ifconfig? Dec 21 07:30:09 ha, $PATH problem :) Dec 21 07:30:18 hmhm, what exactly is mail for exchange? Dec 21 07:32:36 Corsac: something that will snchornise local data with a remote server (presumably an exchange thingy) Dec 21 07:32:48 mail, calendar and i guess contacts Dec 21 07:33:04 I wonder if it's an exchange-only proprietary stuff or a commercial name for something using standard stuff Dec 21 07:33:26 I mean, stuff like imap+caldav, something like that Dec 21 07:33:46 exchange-only proprietary stuff Dec 21 07:34:43 ok Dec 21 07:38:53 the N900 Ovi store situation still has me apprehensive Dec 21 07:39:05 it's almost nothing to do with Maemo though Dec 21 07:50:55 hmhm, is the cert manager really managing certificates? Dec 21 07:51:00 I can only list them, not add one Dec 21 07:51:31 Corsac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_Server Dec 21 07:52:00 jebba: think gitorious was messed up last night Dec 21 07:52:04 DocScrutinizer51: there's nothing about “mail for exchange” there Dec 21 07:54:13 good morning all. Dec 21 07:54:40 Corsac: Well on a site about exchange it's presumably called "mail" Dec 21 07:55:27 i have brought myself a n800 for christmas, on my main machine i have aiccu to give me ipv6, and it means whatever i am connected to i get ipv6, can i run something like aiccu on maemo, to do something similer? Dec 21 07:58:10 anyone here have Tear or some other browser installed? Dec 21 07:58:13 Stskeeps: ? Dec 21 07:58:38 laying over at the desk, but i can't recall if i uninstalled it Dec 21 07:59:26 but you could get it back? Dec 21 07:59:36 7174 needs testing Dec 21 07:59:46 i need to know if the fonts available in Maemo suck (not unlikely) Dec 21 08:00:01 or if we just didn't configure our browser for our sucky fonts Dec 21 08:00:18 actually, i guess since xterm works, there has to be some Dec 21 08:01:57 DocScrutinizer51: “mail for exchange” looks like something specific, it would have been mentioned by that name Dec 21 08:02:11 Corsac: the word "mail' appears 45 times on that wikipage Dec 21 08:02:30 ok, give up :) Dec 21 08:03:45 brobostigon: so.. there's very little ipv6 support in maemo1..5 Dec 21 08:05:00 timeless_mbp: this is maemo 4.1 Dec 21 08:05:06 timeless_mbp: diablo Dec 21 08:05:14 brobostigon: which is somewhere between 1 and 5, right? Dec 21 08:05:43 timeless_mbp: so do i give up now? Dec 21 08:05:58 you don't have ipv4 service available? Dec 21 08:06:04 Corsac: "" . Exchange's major features consist of electronic mai "" Dec 21 08:06:27 timeless_mbp: i do, but things like my irssi screen and that stuff, is ipv6 only. Dec 21 08:06:45 Corsac: the certificate thing lets you remove certs you've added Dec 21 08:07:07 the ui you use to import certificates comes from the same thing Dec 21 08:07:18 you just trigger it from the browser or file manager Dec 21 08:10:39 so, re ipv6 Dec 21 08:10:48 surely you can provide an ipv4 tunnel Dec 21 08:11:41 timeless_mbp: i would need an app like aiccu to do that, to router ipv6 properly over ipv4. Dec 21 08:11:50 probably Dec 21 08:11:52 to route* Dec 21 08:12:02 note that ssh probably supports ipv6 Dec 21 08:12:10 so your probably is getting the ip address bound Dec 21 08:12:50 are you really trying to run ipv6 irc server? Dec 21 08:13:37 personally, i'd just get a basic ipv4 address which can reach another computer and use ssh to cross that bridge Dec 21 08:13:38 timeless_mbp: i am just trying to make the n800 ipv6 capable, so i can use some of my current stuff that are ipv6 only. Dec 21 08:13:46 ok. Dec 21 08:13:47 and then screen+irc Dec 21 08:13:56 brobostigon: http://www.ist-anemone.eu/index.php/Maemo_IPv6_howto Dec 21 08:14:22 wow! http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-weekly-200827-200951 Dec 21 08:14:56 Stskeeps: that is a dead page. Dec 21 08:15:06 brobostigon: er, no Dec 21 08:15:11 works here Dec 21 08:15:22 Stskeeps: doesnt here. Dec 21 08:15:40 well then you need to fix your censorship firewall Dec 21 08:15:40 :P Dec 21 08:15:41 oh well, i will try google's cache Dec 21 08:19:21 i could write a script, to setup the tunnel manually. Dec 21 08:23:00 could something like http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6_startup_script work? Dec 21 08:23:37 brobostigon, diablo can do autoconfig, so if you have a 48-prefix you could just run radvd on the server (as long as you load ipv6 module) Dec 21 08:25:18 wnd: like i have on my router at home already, pretty much. but what about when i am around and about, at the router that is providing my ip on said wifi doesnt do ipv6, this is why i will need an ipv6 tunnel. Dec 21 08:31:28 anyone knows when the nokia E900 will become available??? Dec 21 08:32:17 ok, thank you for the advice and help all, Dec 21 08:32:25 you prob mean n900.. and in which ways? its been avail for weeks now. Dec 21 08:32:42 no I mean the E900 "E"! Dec 21 08:33:03 E900 looks like some photoshop hype job Dec 21 08:33:12 oh god i have way too many phones Dec 21 08:33:23 :< Dec 21 08:33:58 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/nokia-e900/ Dec 21 08:34:18 I want the E900 or I keep my 5 year old one. Dec 21 08:34:22 I mean.... no Y key? Dec 21 08:34:31 that's so amateurish Dec 21 08:34:36 * Arkenoi wants a slightly bigger keyboard and screen, clamshell design and aluminium case. but who cares? Dec 21 08:35:34 scorpius_: "E900" is a case of fanboy fail Dec 21 08:35:42 where is it even claimed that the E900 exists? Dec 21 08:35:49 is there any evidence whatsoever that the e900 is anything more than a photoshop mockup by tabletui.wordpress.com? Dec 21 08:36:02 there isn't any Dec 21 08:36:11 rohanpm: link I provided has the "mockup" by some idiot who forgot to include the YHB column of a keyboard Dec 21 08:36:16 totally laughable. Dec 21 08:36:18 exactly. Dec 21 08:36:38 right, but HTC is able to put a 4.5" screen; motorola is able to put a 4 line keyboard intoits droid with a thinkness of only 12mm. I won't get the N900, seeing that other manufacturers can engineer a phone Dec 21 08:36:39 apologies to the idiot if they are here amongst us Dec 21 08:36:48 try better next time when you use photoshop. Dec 21 08:37:05 it's wazd i think Dec 21 08:37:49 scorpius_: so, you own an HTC, a motorola droid, and you're complaining about not getting an N900? Dec 21 08:38:06 send some of that money my way this christmas, yikes Dec 21 08:38:24 lucent: no I am not owning a htc or a droid Dec 21 08:38:35 then what are you going on about? Dec 21 08:38:55 the N900 is a sweet little mobile computer :) Dec 21 08:39:20 I played chess on it today at work with a co-worker, and he needed to check his bank account with a full web browser Dec 21 08:39:24 nobody else's phone could do it Dec 21 08:41:10 no, n900 the engineers were mentally absent. see the droid and the htc ofwhat can be done. Dec 21 08:41:28 scorpius_: don't buy n900 if you don't like it Dec 21 08:41:38 ^^^^ exactly Dec 21 08:41:44 scorpius_: but complaining here about mentally absent engineers is not very productive Dec 21 08:42:01 no need to say, since that is what I am going to do, not buy the n900 Dec 21 08:42:12 moo-_-: not to mention mentally absent photoshop mock-up artists har har Dec 21 08:42:16 moo: I am just comparing Dec 21 08:42:26 missing a whole row of keys... that's making my day so much brighter. Dec 21 08:42:47 the n900 really needs a firmware update or two Dec 21 08:42:50 to replace my Nokia 5800 Dec 21 08:42:51 :/ Dec 21 08:43:00 ovi maps 3.0 is amazing Dec 21 08:43:03 esp for driving Dec 21 08:43:15 n900 needs more people doing stuff Dec 21 08:43:19 siriusnova: I'm itching to get signed up for Ovi store whenever that gets figured out Dec 21 08:43:21 and less complaining on channels Dec 21 08:43:22 ;P Dec 21 08:43:27 hopefully before the rebate deadline (ugh!) Dec 21 08:43:41 here google maps falls flat on its face, ovi maps 3.0 is really the only way I can drive to all these towns in the desert Dec 21 08:43:41 its amazing Dec 21 08:44:19 awwe, I want! so you have ovi maps 3.0 for your Nokia 5800, I take that to mean? Dec 21 08:44:48 yes Dec 21 08:45:14 id swap out my 5800 for my N900 if Nokia updates Ovi Maps and makes the N900 a bit more stable Dec 21 08:45:34 say what you want about symbian but atm its a rock solid device Dec 21 08:45:37 its my main phone / satnav / driving around Saudi Arabia in the middle of nowhere phone :P Dec 21 08:45:38 totally bumming about the Ovi store situation for N900 :/ Dec 21 08:45:48 not even an official announcement Dec 21 08:49:17 siriusnova: you have stability issues with N900 and Maemo? Dec 21 08:49:25 yes Dec 21 08:49:33 rebooting etc.. Dec 21 08:49:35 interested in that, what kind of thing Dec 21 08:49:54 the phone likes to reboot itself occasionally Dec 21 08:49:54 esp using the browser Dec 21 08:50:13 I've found that Flash causes problems Dec 21 08:50:19 no flash, no problems yet Dec 21 08:50:38 phone reboot I haven't seen yet! Dec 21 08:50:42 also the N900's HSPDA is a tad bit unoptimized Dec 21 08:50:56 it sucks down battery life like crazy Dec 21 08:51:06 :/ Dec 21 08:51:18 its an awesome device no doubt Dec 21 08:51:22 it puts my HTC Hero to shame Dec 21 08:51:32 but its not "stable" yet Dec 21 08:51:32 kind of in early adopter mode Dec 21 08:51:32 :p Dec 21 08:51:45 ha. I heard someone complain about the high price, they wanted a freerunner because it was cheaper Dec 21 08:51:56 oh de Dec 21 08:51:56 :P Dec 21 08:51:58 ar Dec 21 08:52:34 so atm i walk around with 4 phones Dec 21 08:52:34 hahaha Dec 21 08:52:36 i have too many :X Dec 21 08:52:54 yeah, do you need that many? Dec 21 08:54:14 Nokia 5800 as my main phone / satnav, dash mounted gps, Nokia N900 as my interneting email phone, a HTC Hero (Android) for fiddling around on when my N900's battery dies, and a N85 in my back for emergency backup incase im stuck in the middle of nowhere Dec 21 08:54:15 hehehe Dec 21 08:54:20 lucent yes :( Dec 21 08:54:49 because each phone i have does one thing well Dec 21 08:54:49 lol Dec 21 08:54:49 not everything Dec 21 08:54:59 oh maybe you aren't joking about middle-of-the-desert Dec 21 08:55:35 i have to drive all over the place in the middle of the desert Dec 21 08:55:35 for work Dec 21 08:56:13 also over here there are 3 phone companies and each company has different signal strenghts in different regions Dec 21 08:56:25 so i have 3 sims :P Dec 21 08:56:40 ah. that's for work, makes sense now that I read this Dec 21 08:56:43 * lucent :) Dec 21 08:57:18 :( Dec 21 08:57:22 hehe Dec 21 08:57:35 bah, who broke Vulture's Eye Dec 21 09:05:42 it is possible to use iphone headsets for the n900, right? Dec 21 09:06:33 how do 8 change alarm signal in maemo 5? Dec 21 09:06:38 I observed that Unlike gnome, kde DE and even the windows and symabian OS, most maemo 3rd party applications dont respect the systemwide proxy settings. Only one that do are some of the core systems apps like web, application manager etc. Dec 21 09:07:47 s/8/I Dec 21 09:09:14 On must LInux platform there is the enviroment file located in /etc which ( among many other things) announces the systemproxy to 3rd party applications ( or so am told) same file is missing in /etc on my N900. am trying to see if i can create it. because my school is behind a network proxy and internet aware 3rd party apps like mauku or gpodder etc never connects Dec 21 09:10:19 bigbrovar: IIRC on maemo proxy settings are set in gconf, using the same setting keys as in gnome. If 3rd party apps are not using them, bugs should be reported against them. Dec 21 09:12:53 suihkulokki: so if i add my proxy settings to my wireless profile, it is updated to some gconf settings yeah? Dec 21 09:13:56 bigbrovar: yes Dec 21 09:14:29 suihkulokki: the funny thing is an app like gpodder which is a gtk app as a way of working in both gnome and kde, it manages to detect the kde and gnome systemwide proxy, but fails to connect on mameo .. I have reported the issue to affected 3rd party apps Dec 21 09:15:00 suihkulokki: but it seems must devs i spoke to dont even know how to get their apps to work with proxy on mameo Dec 21 09:15:15 the standard way of setting proxy is through an environment variable Dec 21 09:15:18 both gnome and kde do this Dec 21 09:15:34 suihkulokki: You thing creating a enviroment file in /etc and exporting my proxy there wont help? Dec 21 09:15:55 it doesnt have to be set in /env Dec 21 09:16:04 there are many way to set environment variables Dec 21 09:16:34 So anyway, anyone ever figure out how to hard reset a N900 back to factory fresh? Dec 21 09:16:44 siriusnova: reflash the firmware Dec 21 09:16:53 aside from reflashing Dec 21 09:16:55 (both parts) Dec 21 09:17:00 siriusnova: there is no other way Dec 21 09:17:04 bigbrovar: setting proxy in env variable is bad in first place, that would mean you need to reboot to change proxy setting Dec 21 09:17:05 darn Dec 21 09:17:39 * Arkenoi wonders if koffice displays embedded OLE vector pictures from visio correctly - did anyone try that on a desktop version? docs2go fails completely, OOo does it quite good yet far from being perfect Dec 21 09:18:04 suihkulokki: right now am in a situation where if rebooting to have to change proxy is the con for getting 3rd party apps connect to the internet .. then I will die happy Dec 21 09:19:11 siriusnova: OMweather, mystory,mauku,gpodder,AP news ( all from the top of my head) alll dont connect to the internet Dec 21 09:19:31 bigbrovar: i think that generally all apps respect "http_proxy" environment variable. Dec 21 09:19:48 bigbrovar: same is true for libcurl etc. Dec 21 09:20:22 bigbrovar: and no, changing an env variable doesn't require reboot. Dec 21 09:20:27 PaulFertser: thank, so creating enviroment file in /etc and exporting http_proxy should work? Dec 21 09:21:01 PaulFertser: no reboot.. if you just use xterm Dec 21 09:21:03 bigbrovar: unless something else will unset the variable, yes. You need to ensure that env file is sourced by somebody. On debian systems that is done automatically. Dec 21 09:21:24 suihkulokki: one can re-login without rebooting too. Dec 21 09:21:36 in other words, creating some random file in /env wont do a damn thing Dec 21 09:21:43 because maemo wont look for it Dec 21 09:21:53 PaulFertser: not on maemo. and re-login is annoying too. Dec 21 09:22:05 there is no magical environment file that works on all distros Dec 21 09:22:41 suihkulokki: i doubt it's too hard to re-login on maemo. One just need to know its rc scripts a little. Dec 21 09:22:53 ali1234: :S am doomed then lol Dec 21 09:22:58 I love this cult of workarounds. Dec 21 09:23:12 bigbrovar: if you don't want to put in any effort to learn it, yes Dec 21 09:23:33 ali1234: dude am ready to learn .. what must i do Dec 21 09:23:52 instead of fixing apps to read the gnome gconf setting people prefer to edit a random file somewhere and re-login everytime they need to change it :P Dec 21 09:23:57 ali1234: been raking my brain at this thing.. filing bugs taking to devs Dec 21 09:24:21 I thought the big deal of OSS is that you can actually fix things.. Dec 21 09:24:24 ha ha my n900 crashed Dec 21 09:24:53 suihkulokki: well I really cant force the hands of the devs, personally I feel all devs who dont consider proxy settings should be shouted at :p Dec 21 09:25:07 yep Dec 21 09:25:27 but worse is when the OS is setting the environment up properly in the first place Dec 21 09:26:18 anyway, the correct way to fix this is to have hildon-launcher properly set up the environment before it runs an app Dec 21 09:26:27 that way you dont need to log out to get an updated env Dec 21 09:26:43 you do need to quit whatever program, but that is probably unavoidable Dec 21 09:27:09 this is assuming it doesnt already do this of course Dec 21 09:27:43 ali1234: guess there is just one way to find out .. Dec 21 09:28:01 run xterm and type "env" Dec 21 09:28:08 and look for HTTP_PROXY variable Dec 21 09:30:10 ali1234: just tried that, as u can guess nothing about http_proxy Dec 21 09:36:46 damn Dec 21 09:37:03 why arent my qtnx packages not in extras-testing Dec 21 09:37:22 woglinde: When did you submit them? Dec 21 09:40:42 hm do I have to promote them? Dec 21 09:40:48 hi x-fade btw. Dec 21 09:40:56 args Dec 21 09:41:00 now I see the button Dec 21 09:41:05 sorry for noise Dec 21 09:41:41 x-fade will the deps promotoed automagicly? Dec 21 09:42:46 woglinde: yes. Dec 21 09:42:56 woglinde: unless it is a user/* category dependency. Dec 21 09:46:11 i m lost with promotion to -testing too Dec 21 09:46:13 please test and vote for the new version of conky in extras-testing http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/conky/1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1/ Dec 21 09:46:21 ok guys .. creating a enviroment file in /etc and exporting my http_proxy seems to be a good work around, at least gpodder now connects to internet :D Dec 21 09:50:09 hm promotion process hangs Dec 21 09:50:14 since 4 minutes Dec 21 09:50:47 woglinde: can take quite a while. Dec 21 09:50:51 i find that stuff happens anyway, but the browser sits there looking stupid Dec 21 09:51:02 fnordianslip: Yeah, that too. Dec 21 09:51:13 woglinde: Open another tab and check out your package's page. Dec 21 09:51:17 how do 8 change alarm signal in maemo 5? Dec 21 09:58:12 granden: Alarm clock -> Settings? Dec 21 09:58:45 or w/e they actually are. Click on the "title bar" anyway when in the Clock/Alarms screen Dec 21 09:58:59 and it should have Alarm settings or such. Dec 21 09:59:15 Damn, to easy. Thank you Dec 21 09:59:24 np :) Dec 21 10:00:55 RST38h: can i make vgba write to alsa hw:0 ? Dec 21 10:02:00 ~lart poor maemo.org performance again Dec 21 10:02:02 * infobot slaps poor maemo.org performance again around with a large trout Dec 21 10:03:02 I've been loking around and I can't find anyway to organize videos in the media player. Dec 21 10:03:10 Is there any way to do this? Dec 21 10:03:34 not that i can tell dmj726 Dec 21 10:04:08 hrm...now it's a big long list Dec 21 10:04:10 wohoo, the SSU update was delayed today. Won't come before christmas. Dec 21 10:04:23 konttori_nokia: because it sucks? :) Dec 21 10:04:37 eek. or is that good, for some reason that i don't know? Dec 21 10:04:39 ty konttori_nokia . btw have you tested sixaxis bluetooth? Dec 21 10:04:53 dmj726: I only see "sort by date" and "sort by class" so no better organization there Dec 21 10:04:57 is there any way to make it show by folder Dec 21 10:05:12 konttori_nokia: yay, christmas is saved for me ;) (i don't have to update Mer packages like mad over xmas) Dec 21 10:05:14 DocScrutinizer51: I know what exchange is, I do have outlook at work and I maintain evolution. What I don't exactly know is what 'Mail for Exchange' is. It seems you don't know either, but it's fine. Dec 21 10:05:15 :P Dec 21 10:05:18 that's all i want, to be able to show just the folder Dec 21 10:05:19 dmj726: you old-fashioned media-organizing person... ;) Dec 21 10:05:29 timeless_mbp: in fact, just double clicking on a .crt file in the file manager will let you add it Dec 21 10:05:41 I tried to add it directly from the browser but it didn't work, not sure why Dec 21 10:05:50 dmj726: Well, at least you can open them from the file manager? Dec 21 10:05:58 Corsac: hrm, well, i can't remember if we had browser working Dec 21 10:06:08 i think there's a bug in browser Dec 21 10:06:08 but can I make it play several in a row that way? Dec 21 10:06:20 Corsac: well I'm rather sure I understand what those three words mean Dec 21 10:06:22 timeless_mbp: thought the file manager is ok Dec 21 10:06:33 timeless_mbp: it worked fine with an opml file Dec 21 10:06:39 certs are special Dec 21 10:06:46 gecko has its own certificate manager Dec 21 10:06:50 yeah Dec 21 10:06:51 so between that Dec 21 10:06:58 and the fact that the mime type on crt files is often wrong Dec 21 10:07:03 various bad things will happen Dec 21 10:07:11 but RSS app doesn't have an 'import feed' option, but double taping one in the file manager works fine too Dec 21 10:07:13 dmj726: That I don't know. Dec 21 10:08:05 Corsac: we're removing ui bugs by removing ui :) Dec 21 10:08:20 :)) Dec 21 10:08:29 :D Dec 21 10:08:31 isn't that a GNOMEish thing? Dec 21 10:09:16 guess I'll just have to suffer through this. Dec 21 10:09:19 Morning all Dec 21 10:09:26 It seems to treat music just fine. Dec 21 10:09:41 It's the video management that's messed up. Dec 21 10:09:59 If only the media player front end weren't closed. Dec 21 10:10:14 If it were open, I'd fix it in a heartbeat Dec 21 10:10:46 hmm Dec 21 10:11:03 dmj726: is it in UI or in libraries? Dec 21 10:11:14 so the other day i updated scratchbox sdk, now it says svn is too old to work with my working copy Dec 21 10:12:10 ali1234: fun Dec 21 10:12:15 The UI has no proper playlist or organization for videos Dec 21 10:12:31 timeless_mbp, not because it sucks, but because of internal reasons. Dec 21 10:12:38 timeless_mbp: yes, i have to wonder whether they intentionally downgraded it, or it's just broken Dec 21 10:12:54 konttori_nokia: we ran out of the 12 days of christmas? Dec 21 10:12:56 :) Dec 21 10:13:49 if an access point supports "WMM-APSD (Automatic Power Save Delivery)", is that good enough for the N900, or does it have to be PSM? Dec 21 10:14:00 dmj726: the UI is very lacking in every aspect regarding sorting :P Dec 21 10:14:11 media that is Dec 21 10:15:11 as far as music goes, it's as much as I actually need. With respect to video...horrible. Dec 21 10:15:19 timeless_mbp: maybe you know? Dec 21 10:15:31 i wouldn't know Dec 21 10:15:34 wifi is not my area Dec 21 10:15:37 well I really miss playing by folder :) Dec 21 10:15:53 same would work for video too Dec 21 10:15:53 redeeman: WMM usually does the trick Dec 21 10:17:51 know of any beter n900 video players ye? Dec 21 10:19:49 you coul write somemthing to switch which directory media player scans for your videos Dec 21 10:20:28 so Dec 21 10:20:31 for the record ... Dec 21 10:20:41 Feed Reader *does* have UI for importing OPML files Dec 21 10:20:44 it's just well hidden: Dec 21 10:20:49 1. launch feed reader Dec 21 10:20:55 2. tap the plus icon in the toolbar Dec 21 10:21:01 3. tap the import button Dec 21 10:21:03 4. good luck Dec 21 10:21:39 ah i see the problem, i used the svn from outside scratchbox one time Dec 21 10:21:47 Stskeeps: interresting, i cant seem to find any information on whether the N900 does support the WMM stuff, or if the WMM stuff is better than ordinary PSM Dec 21 10:21:52 and it upgraded the working dir to 1.6 Dec 21 10:22:06 Stskeeps: but im looking at an accesspoint that claims to support WMM-APSD Dec 21 10:22:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Multimedia_Extensions Dec 21 10:23:16 ah well...perhaps it's best just to write my own gui Dec 21 10:25:49 Stskeeps: yes i already read that, it appears to describe what PSM does Dec 21 10:28:22 ali1234: pm Dec 21 10:28:34 are there any sources for psx4all ? Dec 21 10:28:54 OptX: they are on github Dec 21 10:28:58 but they are very out of date Dec 21 10:29:20 horray qtnx got promoted Dec 21 10:30:25 ali1234 you are the one that postet on youtube ? Dec 21 10:30:29 that reminds me Dec 21 10:30:33 i was supposed to complain about something Dec 21 10:30:34 OptX: yes Dec 21 10:31:17 woglinde: ping Dec 21 10:32:01 so when i go to github i will find somethng usefull ? Dec 21 10:32:17 OptX: sort of Dec 21 10:32:22 it needs some patching to work on maemo Dec 21 10:33:09 ali1234: you have an n900, right? Dec 21 10:33:14 was running not that bad on the youtube vid. Dec 21 10:33:14 yes Dec 21 10:33:20 can you install stopish from testing for me? Dec 21 10:33:33 sure. what does it do? Dec 21 10:33:50 don't worry about that Dec 21 10:33:56 lol Dec 21 10:33:57 i just need you to reproduce something Dec 21 10:34:03 once you've done that, you can uninstall it Dec 21 10:34:14 it draws a bunch of Zeros Dec 21 10:34:19 but i need to know how many Dec 21 10:34:21 "yes, i can reproduce it trashes the N900..." :) Dec 21 10:34:55 does it matter that i have testing and devel enabled? Dec 21 10:35:02 dunno Dec 21 10:35:11 if the steps cause a different result, i'll look around Dec 21 10:35:16 afaict it hasn't been promoted Dec 21 10:36:16 extras-devel failed to update again anyway Dec 21 10:36:30 oh, devel, i thought you meant normal extras Dec 21 10:36:41 but yeah, the system will work itself out Dec 21 10:36:55 what section is it in? Dec 21 10:36:59 or i have to use xterm? Dec 21 10:37:14 i didn't use xterm Dec 21 10:37:53 found it Dec 21 10:38:11 Utilities! Dec 21 10:38:53 00:00:00.0 Dec 21 10:38:56 now what? Dec 21 10:39:02 hold it in portrait Dec 21 10:39:28 00:00:00 Dec 21 10:39:33 hrm Dec 21 10:39:48 i get 00:00:0 Dec 21 10:40:13 i get 00:00:C (half a zero) very briefly before it reshapes Dec 21 10:40:30 then everything shifts around Dec 21 10:40:42 :( Dec 21 10:40:49 so... i presume you aren't using droid fonts Dec 21 10:40:53 nope Dec 21 10:41:09 it reshapes? Dec 21 10:41:12 * timeless_mbp ponders Dec 21 10:41:21 timles_mbp pong Dec 21 10:41:22 it's a pity it doesn;t reshape during the transition instead of afterwards Dec 21 10:41:30 ali1234: maemo design bug Dec 21 10:42:03 woglinde: nm, ali1234 did what i needed Dec 21 10:42:09 ali1234: you can uninstall now Dec 21 10:42:18 i'll keep it, seems a handy app Dec 21 10:43:38 it needs a "lap" button (freeze the time but keep running) Dec 21 10:44:02 s/time/display/ Dec 21 10:44:03 ali1234 meant: it needs a "lap" button (freeze the display but keep running) Dec 21 10:44:10 ali1234: that was the first thing i noticed Dec 21 10:44:16 you can file that :) Dec 21 10:44:18 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1158&atid=4340 Dec 21 10:48:28 MultiTimer kicks Stopish:es ass :P Dec 21 10:49:37 hms Dec 21 10:49:41 nxproxy dies Dec 21 10:52:00 args Dec 21 10:52:03 no xauth Dec 21 10:52:36 args args Dec 21 10:52:53 moin woglinde Dec 21 10:53:27 damn Dec 21 10:55:37 hm I will simply copy the debian xauth armel binary Dec 21 11:00:14 mpf, I suck at bugzilla duplicates search Dec 21 11:09:13 btw, Eurostar seems like a disaster :) Dec 21 11:09:47 it's funny Dec 21 11:10:02 those fancy trains do not work at relatively high temperatures Dec 21 11:11:19 they work fine in the cold. they work fine in the warm. they break if you take them from the very cold to the quite warm quickly. :) Dec 21 11:11:39 0C isnt really 'very cold' :) Dec 21 11:12:26 :p Dec 21 11:12:29 indeed Dec 21 11:12:37 0C you dont even need a jacket yet Dec 21 11:13:01 been around -20C here past week and thats what I regard being cold Dec 21 11:13:01 is the warm underground? Dec 21 11:13:18 red: exactly Dec 21 11:13:51 mavhc: yes, the warm was underground. plus the cold was more like -10C Dec 21 11:14:08 seriously? it wasnt so in Paris Dec 21 11:14:21 the entrance to the tunnel isn't in paris Dec 21 11:14:43 when -30 its very cold, you know its very cold that even with proper clothing you dont really wanna spend any time outside :P Dec 21 11:43:13 Hmm, still banned from Android Dec 21 11:43:29 what'd you tell them? Dec 21 11:43:30 :P Dec 21 11:43:30 Why's that? Dec 21 11:43:33 That's too much power for one stupidly named indian to have Dec 21 11:44:04 I phonetically wrote the name some guy was proposing to call his kid, to illustrate its absurdity Dec 21 11:44:13 It wasn't even mildly offensive Dec 21 11:44:41 I sincerely hope his kid doesn't attend a school in the UK, *sigh* Dec 21 11:45:00 Had to think long and hard about an indian-sounding name for my daughter that wouldn't get her decked by insensitive kids Dec 21 11:45:43 trust me, kids can turn any name :P Dec 21 11:46:05 Yeah, but some are phonetically more entertaining than others Dec 21 11:46:23 My partners surname, for starters, hur hur! Dec 21 11:46:41 Sadly mine sucks too, so we're pretty screwed Dec 21 11:47:35 haha Dec 21 11:47:38 Anyway, one single entirely non sensical sentence threw him into a fiery rage Dec 21 11:47:57 Stupid fscking coon! Dec 21 11:48:20 Gadgetoid_mbp: It IS his first kid, you know. You probably should've been a bit less offensive. Dec 21 11:48:37 rashed2020: that WAS me being a bit less offensive... Dec 21 11:49:08 pissing his kid of whith a sucker name isnt quite fine Dec 21 11:49:18 So you think what you said wasn't offensive? Come on, now. Dec 21 11:49:42 just refer him to a boy named sue Dec 21 11:49:51 On my scale of offensiveness? it was akin to kissing babies and poking daises into the barrels of rifles Dec 21 11:50:11 Gadgetoid_mbp: So you would've said the exact same thing to your boss? Dec 21 11:50:35 time for #meamo-kids again Dec 21 11:50:45 If my boss were going to give his kid an absurdly stupid name? Dec 21 11:50:56 Well, probably, once I'd stopped giggling Dec 21 11:51:00 No, I'm just saying that I think it was pretty offensive and I would've been pretty angry if that was my kid. Dec 21 11:51:15 If someone in the office said they were going to name their kid Skyler, for example, I'd die Dec 21 11:51:39 woglinde: there's a maemo-kids? *gleee* Dec 21 11:51:40 you're a pretty easy guy to kill Dec 21 11:51:58 gadetoid did he name it after the xkcb sql injection? Dec 21 11:52:07 Well, there is now! Dec 21 11:52:15 Little timmy tables? Dec 21 11:52:35 If there's anything I've ever learnt from Scurbs it's that you never make fun of another man's kid. Dec 21 11:52:47 Unless it's retarded Dec 21 11:52:50 In which case, it's fair game Dec 21 11:52:54 I mean... come on! Dec 21 11:52:55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/332365/xkcd-sql-injection-please-explain Dec 21 11:53:12 Gadgetoid_mbp: So all the names in the world have to sound fine in English? Dec 21 11:53:18 Wow, someone needed to ask that question? Dec 21 11:53:37 rashed2020: Yes, if you're attending a non-private English school Dec 21 11:54:06 Otherwise, you can call them Tittymcfee Ballsackfondler for all I care Dec 21 11:54:15 Yeah, but you don't know what school his kid is going to. Dec 21 11:54:33 Neither does he, I'd play it safe Dec 21 11:54:41 that doesnt matter Dec 21 11:54:42 I'm not here to argue, I just think San is a nice guy and you offended him which is why what happened, happened. Dec 21 11:54:46 My two cents. Dec 21 11:54:48 Call them Max Awesome or Superman Mansuper! Dec 21 11:54:52 with the false name you will be mobbed everywhere Dec 21 11:55:11 What, like Dell tech support woglinde? Dec 21 11:56:05 I can't believe anyone needs an explanation for Timmy tables Dec 21 11:56:08 Gadgetoid_mbp: Now seriously speaking and I want you to be completely honest! Dec 21 11:57:08 Gadgetoid_mbp: You honestly believe what you said is not offensive at all? I just wanna know what you think. Dec 21 11:57:52 rashed2020: I just believe that on my scale of offensiveness, he got off pretty lightly Dec 21 11:58:22 Alright, fair enough. Dec 21 11:58:45 But, then, I listen to radio shows where people bash each other, laugh at retards, talk about raping kids, and use the word "fuck" as a replacement for all punctuation Dec 21 11:58:55 And find them hilarious Dec 21 11:59:07 * thresh finds it acceptable Dec 21 12:00:46 Sounds like I missed out on something juicy Dec 21 12:00:47 docscrutinizer51, thanks for the hint on the bt-headset with plugin. got mine and it works great, no complains on sound quality either :) Dec 21 12:00:55 Gadgetoid_mbp: But you DO see where he's coming from, right? Dec 21 12:01:22 flux: :-) Dec 21 12:01:44 rashed2020: Of course, I'm just bitching about it because I have nothing to do Dec 21 12:01:51 The only thing I'd do in #android is link 'em to my article ;) Dec 21 12:02:01 Oh wait... I should be working Dec 21 12:02:03 Hahaha Dec 21 12:02:13 I'll link them if you want me :P Dec 21 12:02:27 this channel hasn't got the t mode on Dec 21 12:02:30 just noticed :D Dec 21 12:02:36 red yes its know Dec 21 12:02:46 so everyone can set the topic Dec 21 12:02:57 yeh, but thats kinda.. unusual :) Dec 21 12:03:02 and we are not on the ircnet Dec 21 12:03:09 Oooh I wanna append something! Dec 21 12:03:16 "Happy Birthday to me" Dec 21 12:03:16 and mods arent here the whole time Dec 21 12:03:26 true, true Dec 21 12:03:44 red: maemo community is much about trusting eachother, so :P Dec 21 12:03:46 Happy Birthday! rashed2020 Dec 21 12:03:53 haha thanks. Dec 21 12:03:55 You poor bastard... it's 4 days 'til Christmas! Dec 21 12:03:58 he stskeeps Dec 21 12:04:03 Do you get one epic present? Dec 21 12:04:13 ohai Dec 21 12:04:13 Stskeeps: Trust no-one! Dec 21 12:04:18 stskeeps hm do you know about xauth and fremantle is it work? Dec 21 12:04:21 I trust Mulder Dec 21 12:04:22 Gadgetoid_mbp: I do! N900 this year!! Dec 21 12:04:30 or do I have to set some xserver-options Dec 21 12:04:43 woglinde: no idea Dec 21 12:04:46 which one of you stole my female-female USB adapter? Dec 21 12:04:52 Can't complain about that rashed2020! Dec 21 12:04:54 :) Dec 21 12:04:58 wonder how many n900's will be christmas presents Dec 21 12:05:01 Stskeeps - especially don't trust red, what an absolutely idiot.... oh hai red over there, didn't see you there!!1!... lol j/k Dec 21 12:05:12 count me in,i am getting it for xmas Dec 21 12:05:12 * pupnik wonders if he will finish his Dec 21 12:05:15 actually Dec 21 12:05:18 not as a gif Dec 21 12:05:18 t Dec 21 12:05:23 pupnik - Sorry i stole your lesbians dude Dec 21 12:05:26 but it just ships the 25th Dec 21 12:06:03 AND the adapter Dec 21 12:06:20 my n900 was a sorta christmas present to myself Dec 21 12:06:38 pupnik: it's me. you can't use it with N900 anyway Dec 21 12:06:47 n900 just rocks ^^ Dec 21 12:07:02 *sigh* Dec 21 12:07:06 but the poor partitioning,only 2gibs for apps? Dec 21 12:07:08 hmm, i think we need to connect usb to pair PS3 controller Dec 21 12:07:12 * Stskeeps passes Myrtti a christmas cookie Dec 21 12:07:30 why do I look into this channel at the most inconvenient times Dec 21 12:07:42 The Droid is disappointing :( Dec 21 12:07:57 * red slaps Termana Dec 21 12:07:58 * Gadgetoid_mbp goes to brush up on PHP FTP Dec 21 12:07:59 rude :P Dec 21 12:08:11 :O :P Dec 21 12:08:20 Gadgetoid hf :p Dec 21 12:08:44 Festive PHP! Dec 21 12:08:48 P.S: http://www.gadgetoid.com/2009/12/21/nokia-n900-versus-motorola-droidmilestone/ Dec 21 12:09:03 my coworker just bought a droig Dec 21 12:09:12 Gadgetoid_mbp: PHP causes global warming Dec 21 12:09:12 :P Dec 21 12:09:18 your coworker bought a drug??? Dec 21 12:09:18 after a day, the phone booted and the touchscreen stopped working : Dec 21 12:09:28 *droid Dec 21 12:09:37 adeus: was the volume rocker really loose and naff? Dec 21 12:10:03 dunno Dec 21 12:10:08 he sent it back Dec 21 12:10:24 It's a joke of a phone, to put it bluntly Dec 21 12:10:48 we've had 3 motorola phones here Dec 21 12:10:51 And I was under the illusion it was a Snapdragon powered one, for a while... I almost laughed when I heard it was clocked lower than the N900 Dec 21 12:11:01 all broke within 24h Dec 21 12:11:18 The Droid I've got here is still fine, and the DEXT I had in was brilliant Dec 21 12:11:24 we also have the Acer thing here Dec 21 12:11:35 I think that has Snapdragon Dec 21 12:11:44 Last Motorola phone I looked at before then was the A1000, and that was superb for a *bletch* Symbian UIQ phone Dec 21 12:11:45 hidd --server --nocheck -n is not finding New HID device 00:19:C1:xx:xx:xx Dec 21 12:12:26 is it better to succeed at being useless or fail at being useful? Dec 21 12:20:44 Is it normal that my N900 only shows about 25gb of free space? Dec 21 12:21:53 and you havent installed anyting big? or moved ur media into the phone? Dec 21 12:21:57 how it should be abnormal? Dec 21 12:22:28 why is 25gb of freespace not enough Dec 21 12:22:45 its normal when you have filled 7gb of your filesystem! Dec 21 12:22:51 This was when I had nothing installed on the phone. Dec 21 12:22:58 no Dec 21 12:23:12 doesn't sound normal Dec 21 12:23:23 Hit details Dec 21 12:23:28 And look at the "Total size" Dec 21 12:23:46 or type "df -a" in the x term Dec 21 12:23:53 /dev/mmcblk0p1 is 27.0GB in the correct use of Gigabyte Dec 21 12:25:01 thank you Connor/Travan Dec 21 12:25:04 morning Dec 21 12:25:18 for making 10 million people per day ask why their capacity is less than advertised Dec 21 12:25:26 Hahaha pupnik Dec 21 12:25:36 Not only that, but 2gb is reserved for app installs, yay! Dec 21 12:26:02 docscrutinizer51, actually I might need to revise that statement.. it seems to cut off the sound for a split second at times :/ Dec 21 12:26:07 that's pretty good, considering how well users handle space Dec 21 12:26:48 return yours n900 if you feel 25 gb is not enough Dec 21 12:26:58 Or put a MicroSD card in it... Dec 21 12:27:42 Geez. I was just asking. Dec 21 12:28:10 flux: I think that's caused by audio source, not headset Dec 21 12:28:12 If I was somehow missing something that could give me 7gb extra space, I wanted to know. Dec 21 12:28:23 so N900 here Dec 21 12:28:44 docscrutinizer51, well, I tried obviously with my N900, it produced the same stream to its audio jack properly Dec 21 12:28:50 eitreach: a MicroSD card Dec 21 12:28:50 docscrutinizer51, but I shall be following the situation :) Dec 21 12:29:20 gadgetoid_mbp, already using one. :) Dec 21 12:29:34 eitreach: you win! Dec 21 12:29:47 flux: I tested the hs with outher BT sources. There were no or different issues Dec 21 12:30:06 What should I start with if I wanted to be able to connect into my N900 via SSH for wireless file transfer etc? Dec 21 12:31:26 flux: and on N900 I had the short dropouts really rarely. Always thought it,s caused by other tasks congesting the system for sort moment Dec 21 12:31:32 sHort Dec 21 12:31:43 Long cat is long Dec 21 12:31:49 red, installing openssh-server will start the ssh daemon on boot Dec 21 12:32:04 Shees, not many people in #maemo-kids Dec 21 12:32:13 I think someone was lying about that channel... Dec 21 12:32:19 :) Dec 21 12:33:08 docscrutinizer51, well, I've had several in the last few minutes, but then again at times it seems to go for some minutes without any dropouts Dec 21 12:33:49 so, latest Conboy: broken for everyone, or just me? Dec 21 12:34:06 a gapless player would be nice, though. any suggestions? can canola2 do it? Dec 21 12:34:17 pupnik: installed & rebooted Dec 21 12:34:25 red: why reboot? Dec 21 12:34:30 this is not windows Dec 21 12:34:44 guess I understood pupniks comment wrong :D Dec 21 12:34:45 lol Dec 21 12:34:53 i didn't check whether postinstall started the server, sorry Dec 21 12:34:59 was thinking that myself but thought what the heck Dec 21 12:35:49 ah, I understood pupnik's comment to mean "openssh starts automatically, as opposed to having to start it from the menu each time" Dec 21 12:41:02 I'm Maemo converting in the Android room :P Dec 21 12:41:12 LOL Dec 21 12:41:25 ay ay ay Dec 21 12:41:32 i cant wait till i get my hands on it Dec 21 12:41:44 i never looked forward so much for chrismtas ^^ Dec 21 12:41:59 just converted one more @work Dec 21 12:42:01 Working From Home == Being constantly roped into doing fucking household chores by a dumbfsck partner who doesn't understand the concept of WORKING Dec 21 12:42:15 Gadgetoid_mbp: I know what you mean Dec 21 12:42:19 haha Dec 21 12:42:26 --> never work at home Dec 21 12:42:34 --> never works Dec 21 12:42:41 Ha, all right for some Dec 21 12:42:44 :) Dec 21 12:43:12 flux: maybe you can test the N900 with a different headset. And also the headset with different source. I would appreciate if you report back. I haven't tested mine with N900 thoroughly' but it worked fine with e.g. OMNIA Dec 21 12:45:17 he he he - some guy there wants to do programming ON a device. He said he was interested in getting a Droid to do it but no one could suggest an IDE. I told him to go Maemo so he could just cross-compile one. Dec 21 12:45:49 LuciusMare: The guy that just said he wants to get away from Nokia Dec 21 12:46:33 i see Dec 21 12:46:40 but away from nokia means no maemo Dec 21 12:46:48 so that was the converted one? :D Dec 21 12:46:55 I'm not even sure why you would want to be writing programs on the small keyboards - but he seems determined to Dec 21 12:47:16 well sometimes you want to code on the move Dec 21 12:47:21 though I'd use Python in that case Dec 21 12:47:43 hehe Dec 21 12:47:53 I got d/c Dec 21 12:47:57 :| Dec 21 12:48:13 why would someone want to coed on the move? Dec 21 12:48:56 code* Dec 21 12:49:14 I don't know, especially with a tiny keyboard. But w/e I guess :P Dec 21 12:49:55 r.m.o is slooooowww Dec 21 12:50:01 better than nothing ;) Dec 21 12:50:16 though yeah, I do prefer a proper kb and 3 screens to do my coding Dec 21 12:54:12 LuciusMare, inspiration strikes at the oddest moments sometimes Dec 21 12:54:27 ive been known to just start coding in numerous places Dec 21 12:54:59 geek ;) Dec 21 12:55:06 indeed Dec 21 12:55:31 in amsterdam i was sat on the stairs in the hotel Dec 21 12:55:49 by ur mum? Dec 21 12:56:26 random Dec 21 12:56:34 no, fleshing out some code thoughts Dec 21 12:56:40 Myrtti, indeed Dec 21 12:57:44 Still, hopefully I've convinced someone to come to the dark side. We have cookies. Dec 21 12:59:58 the iphone headset works for n900, right? Dec 21 13:00:34 xorAxAx: Doesn't it use the iphones dock connector?? Dec 21 13:00:52 uh Dec 21 13:00:59 no, a 4 contact jack Dec 21 13:01:20 hey,if you are already talking about the iphone Dec 21 13:01:28 i heard something that lets you control a TV Dec 21 13:01:44 it was a box with an IR led that connected to the port Dec 21 13:01:46 came with an app Dec 21 13:01:53 any way of getting this on n900? Dec 21 13:02:05 LuciusMare: There is an IR lef in the N900 itself. Dec 21 13:02:10 *led Dec 21 13:02:16 lol Dec 21 13:02:18 Really? Dec 21 13:02:22 You gotta be kidding me Dec 21 13:02:33 I think i fell in love with it Dec 21 13:02:34 yes, next to the camera button. Dec 21 13:02:40 Dec 21 13:02:40 BUGabundo_work: I search on that turns up only an ebook. You just don't like it because Maemo is pwning Androids arse right now for his situation. Dec 21 13:02:47 :P Dec 21 13:02:52 awww Dec 21 13:02:54 so cute Dec 21 13:03:00 now,is there an app for that Dec 21 13:03:01 ? Dec 21 13:03:05 irreco Dec 21 13:03:05 irrecco or something Dec 21 13:03:12 yay Dec 21 13:03:33 X-Fade: how's new hardware coming along? Dec 21 13:03:39 Although more tuning of the IR led might be in order as I don't get a lot of range. Dec 21 13:03:39 lets go on a pranking spree to the shopping centre ^^ Dec 21 13:03:45 aw Dec 21 13:04:09 Stskeeps: Hope to get builder in place today or tomorrow. Dec 21 13:04:16 what do you mean by "not a lot of range" ? Dec 21 13:04:23 X-Fade: sounds good Dec 21 13:04:25 meters? Dec 21 13:04:31 hey X-Fade, i hear you have same bad weather over there as us Dec 21 13:04:36 LuciusMare: 2 or 3meter was what I got when testing. Dec 21 13:04:44 irreco just needed a /etc/init.d/lircd start for me. Which I did a hour ago Dec 21 13:04:47 * jebba Waiting for maemo.org... Dec 21 13:04:47 that is enough,i guess Dec 21 13:05:10 heh Dec 21 13:05:21 lets plug the LED into the AC directly >:) Dec 21 13:05:28 I think that it would get enough power Dec 21 13:05:31 or blow itself Dec 21 13:06:06 I wonder how much light sensitivity to normal light the recievers have Dec 21 13:06:31 * SpeedEvil ponders if the LED flash pulsed at 38khz would do anyrthing Dec 21 13:06:35 ( Dec 21 13:06:40 if it can be Dec 21 13:06:40 ) Dec 21 13:07:06 hm Dec 21 13:07:18 do you think that replacing the LED with a "brighter" one would help? Dec 21 13:07:50 hmhm, seems that git.maemo.org has some ocsp problems Dec 21 13:08:06 SpeedEvil: evil hacker ;-D Dec 21 13:08:54 IR is quite directional in the device. Dec 21 13:09:42 docscrutinizer51, I suppose I'll try with my laptop some time soon, but I need to upgrade my ubuntu first Dec 21 13:09:52 LuciusMare: certainly Dec 21 13:10:02 LuciusMare: however, that will void your warranty. Dec 21 13:10:14 LuciusMare: Send me your device, and I'll try it. Dec 21 13:10:29 Maybe a diffusing lens would help too ;) Dec 21 13:11:35 the IR quite probably is a IrDA module. Not easily replacable with a more efficient LED Dec 21 13:11:56 DocScrutinizer51: It is supposed to be real CIR. Dec 21 13:12:41 X-Fade: err help me out please. IR? Dec 21 13:12:45 CIR? Dec 21 13:13:02 custom IR? Dec 21 13:13:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_IR Dec 21 13:13:27 ooh Dec 21 13:14:34 if it is like any other omap chip the irda controller is in the soc and the hardware pin can also be switched to gpio Dec 21 13:14:38 so different wavelength. No or a stupid receiver... Dec 21 13:16:00 X-Fade: where would I apply for a NDA (or a job ;) to get my fingers on the schematics? Dec 21 13:16:56 you might have to sacrifice a finger for that Dec 21 13:16:59 just look at lcuk ;p Dec 21 13:17:16 HAhaha Dec 21 13:17:29 :-P Dec 21 13:17:49 * SpeedEvil wonders where I mail the fingers. Do I get firmware if I mail in 20? Dec 21 13:18:00 oh boy, what did i start.. Dec 21 13:18:01 :P Dec 21 13:18:20 its ok, nobody is pointing fingers @ you Dec 21 13:18:29 DocScrutinizer51: type maemo into the keywords: http://www.nokia.com/careers/jobs Dec 21 13:18:44 DocScrutinizer51: Search for: OMAP35x UART/IrDA/CIR Module Reference Guide Dec 21 13:19:12 How much - commercially - are schematics like this worth? Dec 21 13:19:20 heh. thanks to both of you :) Dec 21 13:19:32 For example - what do I need to pay a company to strip the board and measure all the components Dec 21 13:19:36 ZERO? Dec 21 13:19:56 aah that way Dec 21 13:20:04 zero? Dec 21 13:20:08 roundabout 10000 Dec 21 13:20:18 maybe less Dec 21 13:21:02 hmhm, there's no public builds of modest? Dec 21 13:21:14 plus 3 to 5 devices Dec 21 13:21:15 Corsac: SDK?????? Dec 21 13:21:28 X-Fade: hmh? Dec 21 13:21:41 (I meant the “development version”) Dec 21 13:21:41 Corsac: Well at least modest is in there, no? Dec 21 13:21:44 Ah. Dec 21 13:21:55 yeah sorry it wasn't very clear :) Dec 21 13:22:21 currently one has to wait for next firmware update or build packages itself, right? Dec 21 13:22:47 right Dec 21 13:22:49 Corsac: Yes, basically. Dec 21 13:22:55 i'm not sure there's a 'unlocked' thing like in diablo Dec 21 13:23:01 there's a brainstorm about this, Corsac Dec 21 13:23:06 Corsac: Unless you remove the SSU meta package and install it yourself. Dec 21 13:23:30 How I miss the old sardine ;) Dec 21 13:23:53 SpeedEvil: you plan to start a document service ? :-P Dec 21 13:24:20 holy crap Dec 21 13:24:24 i have a ninja dog Dec 21 13:24:30 i threw it a toy on a couch Dec 21 13:24:50 he jumped,but didnt high enough,hit the couch,did three barell rolls in the air,and fell on legs Dec 21 13:25:00 i may mention that the couch is not more than half a meter high Dec 21 13:28:41 X-Fade: I just wanted to check if I could test the modest packages before the nokia update Dec 21 13:29:04 Corsac: You probably can, but a reflash is needed after you have done that. Dec 21 13:29:17 i heard the update was due “before christmas” but I'm not sure it'll be on time :) Dec 21 13:29:20 X-Fade: hmhm ok Dec 21 13:29:27 (firmware updates means reflash anyway?) Dec 21 13:29:33 (or will they be OTA?) Dec 21 13:29:38 OTA Dec 21 13:30:00 SSU == OTA, unless something changed which requires flashing. Dec 21 13:30:03 Corsac: someone mentioned earlier that update will slip Dec 21 13:30:22 suihkulokki: san diego. mountain view. WTF? Dec 21 13:30:30 OK Stupid idea on not?...t.m.o Native app that is something like Tear(or other browser) with custom UI that had a menu with things like New Messages, Private Messages and all other menu options in it. Then I could remove Address bar and all and make t.m.o default page. Do a new t.m.o theme that removes the menu from my minimalist theme to give more room. Dec 21 13:30:31 DocScrutinizer51: maemo is quite a lot of diff places :P Dec 21 13:30:35 Where should that home-ip app appear at? Dec 21 13:30:42 It's not in applications, nor in widgets Dec 21 13:31:00 X-Fade: SSU is Standard Software Update? Dec 21 13:31:13 Corsac: Seamless Dec 21 13:31:17 ok :) thanks Dec 21 13:31:58 guess it just doesn't work Dec 21 13:32:07 red: I think it's /supposed/ to be a desktop widget Dec 21 13:32:19 thats how I understood it aswell Dec 21 13:32:27 red: but it's installed here and it doesn't appear in the list Dec 21 13:32:33 odd that a app that doesnt function at all is at testing and not in devel Dec 21 13:33:22 Stskeeps: so I wonder how they get done *anything*. Or - if they are such globalized and networked - why then mention a particular location at all? Dec 21 13:33:54 DocScrutinizer51: cos you rarely would like to relocate to finland. Dec 21 13:35:36 I even less would like to relocate to mountain view. But for all I can tell it shouldn't matter if a sat on the moon for any maemo job then. Well except for the yw seconds lag Dec 21 13:35:46 2 .seconds Dec 21 13:36:19 DocScrutinizer51: the other way is to do maemo related job at a subcontractor Dec 21 13:36:53 that's much better than relocate to san diego Dec 21 13:37:48 I wouldn't mind a 50% abroad time - as I did for TPE Dec 21 13:38:03 TPE? Dec 21 13:38:04 hmm, I've installed openssh server, ps aux shows usr/sbin/sshd -D running Dec 21 13:38:14 but attempting to connect to the phone gives connection refused Dec 21 13:38:17 but no permanent relocation to a different continent Dec 21 13:38:23 any ideas? Dec 21 13:38:26 Taipei Dec 21 13:38:33 ah Dec 21 13:38:52 (OM HQ) Dec 21 13:39:01 ssh localhost on the phone works atleast Dec 21 13:39:07 can connect as root to myself haha :) Dec 21 13:39:27 but why on earth does the connection get refused when I try from another machine? Dec 21 13:39:30 red i have the same issue when using my isp wifi routeur Dec 21 13:39:38 Stskeeps: Still no sign of X-Fade? (sorry I have been working) Dec 21 13:39:38 hello guys, anyone from the UK and has few minutes ? Dec 21 13:39:48 my pc is online via another phone (tethering) Dec 21 13:39:50 anpr: go for it Dec 21 13:39:55 RST38h: err, he was talking earlier. he's moving builder/repository i think Dec 21 13:40:03 fnordianslip i got vodafone contract Dec 21 13:40:05 RST38h: I'm here. Dec 21 13:40:10 Sts: aha Dec 21 13:40:11 X-Fade: ! Dec 21 13:40:16 red this is most probably due to some energy saving protocol thingy the details were too complex for me to remember Dec 21 13:40:16 RST38h: Responded to your pm too. Dec 21 13:40:23 RST38h: But you didn't respond back. Dec 21 13:40:25 and i wonder if it's direct debit, will they take automatically money from my account Dec 21 13:40:28 X-Fade: could you pelase check what happened with Speccy and VE promotions Dec 21 13:40:31 or i have to pay my bills online ? Dec 21 13:40:42 anpr: that's the usual way Dec 21 13:40:45 X-Fade: Correct. I am currently at wor, and it has been very busy lately Dec 21 13:40:48 melmoth: energysaving on the n900 so after i install openssh server it wont allow connecting to it? Dec 21 13:40:51 RST38h: When did you promote those? Dec 21 13:40:52 kay :l Dec 21 13:40:58 X-Fade: Thursday/Friday Dec 21 13:40:59 DocScrutinizer51: what did you do at OM, out of curiousity? Dec 21 13:41:05 RST38h: ok, let me see. Dec 21 13:41:34 ~DocScrutinizer Dec 21 13:41:36 hi, i often get "missing python-runtime" when i try to install packages from testing/devel repo, can someone help? Dec 21 13:41:37 package names: vultures and speccy Dec 21 13:41:45 well, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Dec 21 13:41:50 ah Dec 21 13:41:57 red https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3481 Dec 21 13:41:59 Bug 3481: PSM Interoperability problem with Freebox ADSL Access Point Dec 21 13:42:02 is that something to be proud of? :p Dec 21 13:42:10 red: and there's no bugzilla component for homeip Dec 21 13:42:12 anpr: direct debit comes straight out of your account, with a variable amount. Dec 21 13:42:17 now, red, i have no clue if this is your problem too, but it sure looks like mine. Dec 21 13:42:23 melmoth: I think I need to add the pc I want to connect into etc/hosts Dec 21 13:42:23 (that said, that FR gps did rock..) Dec 21 13:42:38 want to connect from* Dec 21 13:42:42 RST38h: -testing -> extras? Dec 21 13:42:54 melmoth: I can ssh from my laptop to the n900 using my freebox Dec 21 13:42:56 Corsac: yeh.. well there was another widget that worked luckily Dec 21 13:42:58 name resolution issue should not lead to a connexion refused (but could make a prompt not appearing for a minutes) Dec 21 13:43:05 freebox? Dec 21 13:43:05 red: how is it called? Dec 21 13:43:08 X-Fade: yep Dec 21 13:43:11 Corsac: lucky you, i cannot Dec 21 13:43:21 Corsac: search for "ip" in the app install program Dec 21 13:43:28 red: freebox is the adsl/wifi box provided by Free/Proxad (french ISP) Dec 21 13:43:32 ahh Dec 21 13:43:34 red: ok Dec 21 13:43:39 Stskeeps: actually I'm proud of my contributions Dec 21 13:44:02 Stskeeps: generall OM EE dpt. was abyssmal Dec 21 13:44:16 RST38h: Ok, dir structure in extras dir doesn't look right. Dec 21 13:44:33 DocScrutinizer51: as long as you weren't involved with the microsd slot or the casing :P Dec 21 13:44:55 i need to ssh -R 7777 on the desktop (from the n900) first, then i can ssh -p 7777 localhost from the destop to itself to be on the n900 Dec 21 13:44:55 what would be the syntax to add a IP address into the etc/hosts file? theres one line there at the moment which is "127.0.0.1 Nokia-N900-42-11 localhost" Dec 21 13:44:56 nope Dec 21 13:45:10 just add the IP I want on the next line? can I use wildcards? Dec 21 13:45:42 Stskeeps: casing is ME or ID anyway. Not EE Dec 21 13:45:52 :nod: Dec 21 13:46:48 though I kicked asses in that domain as well occasionally ;-P Dec 21 13:47:30 i wouldn't have minded a s3c6410 based freerunner Dec 21 13:48:23 X-Fade: Is it fixable? =) Dec 21 13:49:00 Stskeeps: there are exactly 3 of those on this planet :-D Dec 21 13:49:22 DocScrutinizer51: shame there aren't more Dec 21 13:49:38 DocScrutinizer51: some people should hook up with smartdevices and work out something.. Dec 21 13:49:54 hmm. OM decided to do suicide basically before MP started Dec 21 13:51:20 alas Sean decidednot to disclose gta03 schematics :-((( Dec 21 13:51:30 RST38h: yes, I think so. Just need to create the dirs and move the files in there and reindex. Dec 21 13:53:46 X-Fade: ! Dec 21 13:54:03 X-Fade: I wonder if you could tell me who uploaded the fort77 package to diablo-extras? Dec 21 13:54:22 what?? lol Dec 21 13:54:34 lardman: Search the extras-cauldron builds list? Dec 21 13:55:53 fort == FORTRAN ? O.o Dec 21 13:55:55 RST38h: Should look better now. Dec 21 13:55:55 DocScrutinizer51: no, I was just wondering. Dec 21 13:56:12 DocScrutinizer51: FORTRAN, tyes Dec 21 13:56:16 X-Fade: checking... Dec 21 13:56:22 X-Fade: I think it may be from a while back actually Dec 21 13:56:27 SpeedEvil: context? Dec 21 13:56:50 RST38h: Hmm need to wait before the repository is signed and synced. Dec 21 13:56:58 RST38h: But locally it looks good now. Dec 21 13:57:00 X-Fade: Oh, ok... Dec 21 13:57:06 DocScrutinizer51: the existing fort77 package doesn't depend on libf2c, which it ought to, so it breaks some builds Dec 21 13:57:07 X-Fade: Thanks, I will retry tonight Dec 21 13:57:20 RST38h: But this has never worked it seems. Dec 21 13:57:21 (01:23:53 PM) DocScrutinizer51: SpeedEvil: you plan to start a document service ? :-P Dec 21 13:57:22 X-Fade: BTW, there is another more difficult problem Dec 21 13:57:31 * lardman heads home to avoid the icy hill Dec 21 13:57:35 X-Fade: You mean, promotions from testing to extras never worked? Dec 21 13:57:38 mm? Dec 21 13:57:39 SpeedEvil: aah Dec 21 13:57:44 RST38h: No, non-free apps in Extras. Dec 21 13:57:51 Oh....worked before Dec 21 13:57:56 RST38h: For fremantle at least. Dec 21 13:57:58 And VE is not even non-free Dec 21 13:58:09 X-Fade: I have multiple non-free apps in extras, they work Dec 21 13:58:14 X-Fade: And VE is in free Dec 21 13:58:26 (and it did not work Dec 21 13:58:28 RST38h: Yeah, but dir structure was messed up. Dec 21 13:58:34 Weird Dec 21 13:58:55 Copy paste error in config file. Which I have not touched since I set it up. Dec 21 13:58:55 X-Fade: Anyway, here is a another problem Dec 21 13:59:17 X-Fade: FBreader depends on the zlibrary package Dec 21 13:59:52 X-Fade: I can mark zlibrary into "libs" group but then it does notupdate when users update fbreader via HAM Dec 21 14:00:14 X-Fade: I can mark it "user/libs", then it updates, but this is officially considered unkosher Dec 21 14:00:21 Yes, library updates are a pain. Dec 21 14:00:39 The only thing that pulls them in is when an app depends on the new version. Dec 21 14:00:39 X-Fade: little green elves are telling me that Debian uses user/libs for this kind of stuff Dec 21 14:00:54 but my app DEPENDS on the new version Dec 21 14:00:57 That is the funny stuff Dec 21 14:00:59 RST38h: That won't work, because that is not allowed. Dec 21 14:01:07 X-Fade: Yea, so I heard Dec 21 14:01:20 X-Fade: See, FBReader package does depend on the new version but still it does not update Dec 21 14:01:32 * RST38h checks Dec 21 14:01:41 RST38h: It should on promotion? Dec 21 14:01:54 yea Dec 21 14:02:06 RST38h: Hang on, that'd mean that if app A depends on libfoo (>= 1) and app B depends on libfoo (>= 2); app B could be broken by HAM. Dec 21 14:02:37 Jaffa: Your app can conflict with <=2 too ;) Dec 21 14:02:58 Jaffa: only if app A conflicts with >=2 Dec 21 14:03:04 guys have you heard about java on maemo ? Dec 21 14:03:04 Basically you do >= for minor version upgrades. Dec 21 14:03:54 RST38h: I mean something like: app A is created, libfoo v1 and A are promoted and installable. If HAM never updated even with a dependency on a newer version, than apt wouldn't like app B ever being installed, even if the new libfoo was in extras-* Dec 21 14:04:25 Jaffa: man, I am just a simple cow, do not put me into this dll hell =) Dec 21 14:04:56 Repository management, not as easy as it seems at first sight ;) Dec 21 14:05:06 so microsofts dll hell was only one of the circles Dec 21 14:06:13 and lib.so management even more fun ;-) Dec 21 14:06:37 :( indeed Dec 21 14:06:55 though basically it's eas. Given all devels obey best practice Dec 21 14:14:50 i hope we can get food into extras Dec 21 14:15:11 Well, I could use some right now :) Dec 21 14:15:17 me too Dec 21 14:16:55 im thinking a protocol to provide bluetooth advertisement for human services Dec 21 14:17:08 e.g. restaurant menu Dec 21 14:17:27 or a walking advert of the things you want to sell Dec 21 14:17:43 without central server Dec 21 14:18:08 Remember the 'view illegal offers' checkbox. Dec 21 14:18:24 heh Dec 21 14:19:32 hmhm, no x86_64 version of flasher-3.5? Dec 21 14:20:25 Corsac: you dont need one Dec 21 14:20:25 just install the 32 bit dependencines Dec 21 14:20:42 Corsac: I'm still using the older flasher Dec 21 14:20:57 don't know if it works with N900 tho Dec 21 14:21:13 Children, beware older flashers Dec 21 14:21:29 Gadgetoid_mbp: I've got an older device ;-) Dec 21 14:21:33 X-Fade, Jaffa: Folks, what if I make zlibrary user/other? Dec 21 14:21:44 Many non-executable components are marked this way Dec 21 14:21:44 Ew Myrtti, far too much information! Dec 21 14:21:50 RST38h: Then it is game over. Dec 21 14:21:59 I will remove it from the repo then. Dec 21 14:22:03 melmoth: I know, it just means I'm forced to install all 32bits libs and can't install the .deb package Dec 21 14:22:05 Other option is to include it into fbreader Dec 21 14:22:09 which kind-of sucks :/ Dec 21 14:22:21 RST38h, libraries in user/ are feeeeeh Dec 21 14:22:23 AndrewBlack: ping? Dec 21 14:22:30 X-Fade: Suggest some kind of solution then, other than "wait until Nokia fixes HAM in Harmattan" Dec 21 14:22:31 RST38h: Are there other apps using that lib? Dec 21 14:22:41 X-Fade: not that I know of Dec 21 14:22:43 X-Fade, I think so, some kind of a game Dec 21 14:22:48 RST38h: "user/library" is not a supported category Dec 21 14:22:51 really a demo app of zlibrary Dec 21 14:22:55 no serious apps Dec 21 14:23:00 MishaS mentioned that something else uses it though Dec 21 14:23:24 fiferboy, pong Dec 21 14:23:32 RST38h: any new version of fbreader should trigger the upgrade then. Dec 21 14:23:33 apt-cache rdepends libzlibrary Dec 21 14:23:35 RST38h: Does the "Depends: zlibrary (>= mybugfixver)" not work? Dec 21 14:23:36 vbataxx Dec 21 14:23:41 AndrewBlack: Have you had a chance to run maemo-org through the new theme maker? Dec 21 14:23:46 Jaffa: Does nnot seem to Dec 21 14:24:03 RST38h: Then that needs to be looked into. As that really should work. Dec 21 14:24:06 Jaffa: I will recheck tonight, as I get home, that the dependency line is correct Dec 21 14:24:15 X-Fade: Will check Dec 21 14:24:15 RST38h, did fbreader ever make it to extras? Dec 21 14:24:24 wouldn't it be okay to say all -devel users to remove it and reinstall? Dec 21 14:24:28 that should work, right? Dec 21 14:24:29 mgedmin: No. In fact, due to these update problems, I cannot even move to Testing Dec 21 14:24:33 Oh BTW Dec 21 14:24:33 RST38h: Single upgrades of lib, no. But as dependency for another app, yes. Dec 21 14:24:56 X-Fade: In relation to FBreader again: can you include me as a maintainer for fbreader, zxlibrary and zlibrary-dev? Dec 21 14:25:01 RST38h: You are really mixing up 2 issues. Dec 21 14:25:15 X-Fade: I applied, and asked Geometer to approve, but he cannot find the right button to do that Dec 21 14:25:41 X-Fade: In my case, it does not get updated as a dependency of fbreader. Nobody updates zlibrary separately. Dec 21 14:26:04 RST38h: I'll approve you. Dec 21 14:26:27 RST38h: If HAM doesn't upgrade zlibrary package with a depends line like that, that's cause to open a VERY high priority bug against HAM Dec 21 14:26:41 Jaffa: it does. Dec 21 14:26:44 RST38h: Has geometer said anything about how the 0.12 version porting is going? Dec 21 14:27:15 fiferboy, not yet I use windows at work and last I checked it wasn working on windows, I also couldn't get 1.2.5 or 1.2.6 to work on Linux either Dec 21 14:27:48 fiferboy, any certain question or problem you have with theme? Dec 21 14:28:10 AndrewBlack: Just the highlighting of selected items (like in list views and toggle buttons) Dec 21 14:28:26 AndrewBlack: I really like the theme, and would use it all the time if that was working Dec 21 14:29:09 fiferboy, Thanks Im going to look into that today I was holding off fixing the uninstall bug until I get Highlightin working Dec 21 14:30:00 AndrewBlack: Cool. If you need any help let me know Dec 21 14:30:21 AndrewBlack: I could try running the source through 1.2.7 if you want - to see if the highlighting works Dec 21 14:31:55 fiferboy: He will work on it after NY holidays (i.e. after Jan 110 Dec 21 14:31:57 ) Dec 21 14:32:05 Ive got to fix a problem with address entry box on web browers but here is source if you want to try it on 1.1.7 for highlighting http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Maemo/maemo-org.png Dec 21 14:32:11 X-Fade: Thanks =) Dec 21 14:32:22 RST38h: Good to know, thanks Dec 21 14:32:50 other devices might also be good, but i think N900 is best because it has the real linux Dec 21 14:33:06 fiferboy: I have tried compiling 0.12 myself but it needs implementing a few new zlibrary widgets like ZLProgressBar or something Dec 21 14:34:27 <_claesbas> Anyone know where the files for Hermes is located? .. I managed to validate with my friends facbook account but I can't seem to change back to my account.. even after reinstall Dec 21 14:34:38 RST38h: It like the library view doesn't use tap scrolling and tap scrolling is much simpler in reading view Dec 21 14:35:02 fiferboy: The latest version I uploaded has tap scrolling enabled and configured to be usable Dec 21 14:35:19 fiferboy: Both views support it too Dec 21 14:35:21 _claesbas, you want to talk to Jaffa Dec 21 14:35:38 (in fact it is more of a problem in library view where you want to select books, not scroll :)) Dec 21 14:35:40 RST38h: Yes, I am using it and it works. But it always seems so fiddly to select books in the library view Dec 21 14:35:45 yes Dec 21 14:35:50 <_claesbas> ok Dec 21 14:35:54 the book selection spots are too small Dec 21 14:35:54 <_claesbas> mgedmin, Dec 21 14:35:56 <_claesbas> ta Dec 21 14:36:03 * mgedmin gave up on fbreader's library view for that reason, plus many others Dec 21 14:36:07 * jebba awaits headers Dec 21 14:36:08 and if you miss them, it scrolls Dec 21 14:36:15 * mgedmin a bit sad that the "add book" button doesn't fit on the toolbar anymore Dec 21 14:36:34 mgedmin: You can configure it in, but at the cost of some other button Dec 21 14:36:40 yeah, I know Dec 21 14:36:49 actually, can I configure it in ~/.FBReader? Dec 21 14:36:54 yes Dec 21 14:37:00 ui.xml I think Dec 21 14:37:01 last few versions I tried, failed, ended up configuring it in /usr/share/..../toolbar.xml Dec 21 14:37:08 hm Dec 21 14:37:12 no, ~/.FBreader is ok Dec 21 14:37:30 although... Dec 21 14:37:39 well, I tried ~/.FBReader/toolbar.xml Dec 21 14:37:40 not ui.xml Dec 21 14:37:43 hmm...no, I am afraid you cannot do it in ~/.FBReader Dec 21 14:37:45 hah Dec 21 14:37:49 Sorry Dec 21 14:38:10 it will always load /usr/share files first and when it gets to your ~ files, the toolbar is already filled with stuff Dec 21 14:38:13 * mgedmin mapped a hardware key to open book, so it's fine Dec 21 14:40:45 can i stop mediaplayer process? it keep spawning Dec 21 14:41:55 woohoo. i have a new central heating boiler. i can stop growing ice in my living room :) Dec 21 14:43:00 fnordianslip: I thought you said rice for a minute there Dec 21 14:43:34 Gadgetoid_mbp: well, with my macbookpro's dodgy keybd, i could forgive you for thinking i said that Dec 21 14:44:00 ManuelSE, don't ask questions and run away before we can answer! Dec 21 14:44:05 How's the harvest? Dec 21 14:44:13 Good morning folks Dec 21 14:44:16 mgedmin: Don't talk to people who aren't here... Dec 21 14:44:32 It's a little bit creepy Dec 21 14:44:58 Gadgetoid_mbp: my harvest is melting, which is good :) Dec 21 14:45:06 can i stop joinparting it keep parting Dec 21 14:45:36 Gadgetoid_mbp, well, there are IRC logs; people may read answers to them said when they were offline Dec 21 14:45:36 it's not inconceivable Dec 21 14:45:45 Of course it is! Dec 21 14:46:00 heya all Dec 21 14:46:32 hello waznd Dec 21 14:48:58 just got my n900! yay! Dec 21 14:49:38 woo Dec 21 14:49:50 * jebba waiting for headers Dec 21 14:49:53 wazd_n800, congrats! Dec 21 14:50:03 so why are you still irc'ing from the n800 then? ;) Dec 21 14:50:09 wazd_n800: Welcome. To the fold. Dec 21 14:50:17 n800 is better, obviously Dec 21 14:50:25 It's a whole -100 better Dec 21 14:50:36 just kidding, ofcourse no n900 for me :D Dec 21 14:52:36 I'm a bit lost with “feature requests” not being tracked in bugzilla. What's that brainstorming about? Dec 21 14:52:49 * Stskeeps gives wazd_n800 a n900 cookie Dec 21 14:53:03 Stskeeps, :D Dec 21 14:53:23 wazd_n800: back from countryside ye? Dec 21 14:53:24 t Dec 21 14:53:39 Stskeeps, in progress) Dec 21 14:53:42 hehe Dec 21 14:53:43 AndrewBlack: What do you use for theme background? Dec 21 14:54:16 fiferboy, you can just use the default on for this test build. Joopu did the maemo-org bg for me and I need to get it from him Dec 21 14:54:29 AndrewBlack: Gotcha Dec 21 14:54:38 wazd_n800: Hiya Dec 21 14:54:54 fiferboy, hey Dec 21 14:55:24 wazd_n800: Has your DDP device been delivered to its final destination? Dec 21 14:55:41 fiferboy, in progress Dec 21 14:55:57 it is an epic saga Dec 21 14:56:11 fiferboy, its path is too complicatted) Dec 21 14:56:29 I want to receive my n900 :( Dec 21 14:56:33 wazd_n800: What country is it going to? Dec 21 14:56:50 ar, i was going to sign up for ddp.. Dec 21 14:57:02 * Stskeeps kept on pushing it forward Dec 21 14:57:08 fiferboy, we will pickk it up in st. petersburg after ny and send it too Belarus with vlad Dec 21 14:57:43 Stskeeps: Is DDP over? Dec 21 14:57:52 fiferboy: i think deadline for signing up was today Dec 21 14:57:55 / ordering Dec 21 14:58:03 :( Dec 21 14:58:04 not sure though Dec 21 14:59:05 wazd: Doesn't vlad have a loan unit? Dec 21 14:59:19 RST38h, he has Dec 21 14:59:30 RST38h, summit Dec 21 14:59:46 * jebba no longer waiting for headers! Dec 21 15:01:37 er Dec 21 15:01:47 can N900 record video with sound? Dec 21 15:02:09 If your microphone works, ha! Dec 21 15:02:20 ok Dec 21 15:02:24 and what about the MMS case? Dec 21 15:02:31 LuciusMare, only with piano soundtrack and captons Dec 21 15:02:34 is there an app for that? *appleshaped bubble* Dec 21 15:02:40 ROFL wazd_n800 Dec 21 15:02:44 LuciusMare: the video recorded by the camera is unbelievably good. Dec 21 15:02:50 yes Dec 21 15:02:59 i just read a versus with the ifone Dec 21 15:03:02 *iphone Dec 21 15:03:05 dun dunlalun dingalingalingalinga linga! "The daring moustached stranger dashes to he rescue" Dec 21 15:03:14 Anyone comparing the N900 to the iPhone is a fucking idiot Dec 21 15:03:18 and there was "iphone: video recording with sound, n900: video recording" Dec 21 15:03:19 i know Dec 21 15:03:21 The iPhone is a feature phone Dec 21 15:03:26 i know,hell Dec 21 15:03:35 i hate it,too Dec 21 15:03:44 I love it, but it's a featurephone and nothing more Dec 21 15:03:46 i just couldnt find the specs in a nice table Dec 21 15:03:51 It's the best damned featurephone ever created Dec 21 15:03:56 But it's NOT A SMARTPHONE!*@(&!* Dec 21 15:04:09 really? Dec 21 15:04:11 how can you determine it? Dec 21 15:04:19 * LuciusMare waves Dec 21 15:04:20 Some say it's not a smartphone because it has a touchscreen Dec 21 15:04:29 okay,stop that,iphone sucks,we know it Dec 21 15:04:32 what's the difference Dec 21 15:04:32 or iphone rocks,you suck Dec 21 15:04:36 depending on your opnion Dec 21 15:04:41 so,can n900 do mms? Dec 21 15:04:46 nope Dec 21 15:04:46 hehe Dec 21 15:04:47 Anything with a capacitive touchscreen is not a smartphone, capacitive is a disease Dec 21 15:04:49 no Dec 21 15:04:54 some say it's a multimixer. Some say it's a game device. All we know, is he's called the SMARTPHONE Dec 21 15:04:56 Failed to fetch http://osso.stage.dmz/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Could not connect to osso.stage.dmz:80 (10.5.1.102). - connect (111 Connection refused) Dec 21 15:04:58 there is as many defintions of smartphone as there is analysts.. Dec 21 15:05:01 trying to build my package Dec 21 15:05:14 Most modern smartphones, the ones with capacitive input, are simply feature phones Dec 21 15:05:16 I mean they even count blackberry as a smartphone Dec 21 15:05:44 they have a strong emphasis on usability, and are quite clearly targeted at your average joe consumer Dec 21 15:05:56 wow, battery died almost insttantly in the street) Dec 21 15:05:57 jebba: had that happen to me. just resubmit your package again and hope for the best Dec 21 15:06:20 Whereas good ole Windows mobile you need a degree in tibetan monk waterfall meditation to not throw at a wall within 10 minutes of using it Dec 21 15:07:01 any idea why talk on maemo.org thinks that I'm a bot (and spells the message wrong) ? Dec 21 15:09:11 thomasvs: Ask X-Fade Dec 21 15:10:31 Jaffa: No -> ask the talkmaster ;) Dec 21 15:10:41 fnordianslip, uh huh. Man, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much wasted energy waiting for foobar servers. Dec 21 15:12:01 jebba: yep, i just did a dput again a while later and it worked. there was a whole run of fails just after mine too. Dec 21 15:14:20 oh oh oh Dec 21 15:14:47 is it possible to make an app,which would make the usb port master? Dec 21 15:15:04 It is unclear Dec 21 15:15:10 i mean,then i would connect a microusb>female A-usb cable and i could connect everything i want,like a flash disk Dec 21 15:15:12 It's not simple. Dec 21 15:15:16 aw Dec 21 15:15:17 That certainly won't work Dec 21 15:15:21 aw aw Dec 21 15:15:26 you at least will need a source of power. Dec 21 15:15:27 why? Dec 21 15:15:33 There isn't one. Dec 21 15:15:33 Hm Dec 21 15:15:39 microusb does not recieve power? Dec 21 15:15:51 if it can recieve,it can be modified so it will give power! Dec 21 15:15:57 Also - there have been conflicting statements as to the USB port. The current status is that nobody has done it. Dec 21 15:16:00 err - ... Dec 21 15:16:06 RST38h, I'm gonna read brief course "How to become Blender Pro in 30 seconds" :) Dec 21 15:16:07 X-Fade: Ah, I missed the "talk" Dec 21 15:16:21 LuciusMare: In the same way that a engine that uses gasoline can be converted to produce it? Dec 21 15:16:29 um Dec 21 15:16:39 wazd_n800: See Blendtek. Dec 21 15:16:56 tec Dec 21 15:17:04 SpeedEvil, not this blender :D Dec 21 15:17:04 bad comparsion Dec 21 15:17:08 SpeedEvil: that would work for an AC motor :) Dec 21 15:17:12 LuciusMare: it's actually not. Dec 21 15:17:18 engine that uses gasoline is like a CPU that uses electrcity Dec 21 15:17:21 LuciusMare: I have designed this sort of stuff. Dec 21 15:17:26 SpeedEvil: hrhrrhrr Dec 21 15:17:30 it of course cant Dec 21 15:17:31 LuciusMare: you can't do what you're claiming is easy Dec 21 15:17:39 i dont say it is Dec 21 15:17:55 It is utterly impossible - the hardware does not exist inside the phone. Dec 21 15:18:00 (to supply power) Dec 21 15:18:12 Without opening and voiding warranty of course. Dec 21 15:18:41 but does host mode really need to supply power? Dec 21 15:18:52 no, it doesn't Dec 21 15:18:53 yes. Dec 21 15:18:56 no Dec 21 15:18:59 yes Dec 21 15:19:02 (for example, for cameras) Dec 21 15:19:03 lolz Dec 21 15:19:07 It needs to generate power if you want to simply plug it in. Dec 21 15:19:08 if it's self-powered Dec 21 15:19:13 ok, it depends what you want to connect to it Dec 21 15:19:25 OTG requires some power - it's not a large amount of power ~1mA IIRC. Dec 21 15:19:31 But that isn't there. Dec 21 15:19:35 OTG is nothing to do with host mode though Dec 21 15:19:49 host mode is in fact a subset of OTG Dec 21 15:19:57 is this just a debate or is there news on host mode? Dec 21 15:20:03 no, no news Dec 21 15:20:07 If it's self powered, and the n900 is in host mode, you may still need external power - if it works at all Dec 21 15:20:13 ah, nm - ta Dec 21 15:20:25 OTG is a standard introduced later than host mode - which contains host mode as one of its elements. Dec 21 15:21:04 exactly, and as such, presence or lack of OTG does not indicate anything about presence or loack of host mode Dec 21 15:21:26 * SpeedEvil needs to do more reading of the kernel drivers and poking at stuff. Dec 21 15:21:36 AFAIUI OTG is about negotiated switching between host/client Dec 21 15:21:39 Fundamentally. Dec 21 15:22:19 The SoC can switch between host and device mode. It uses the same two pins to do this. There appears to be no chip connected after the SoC before the USB port. Dec 21 15:22:37 then, host mode should work Dec 21 15:22:42 Hence - it would seem - with the correct kernel drivers and poking of stuff, that you can put it in host mode. Dec 21 15:23:02 You will usually need external power to use most devices. Dec 21 15:23:23 Of course, there may be hidden reasons why this doesn't work. Dec 21 15:23:44 external power = a powered hub or self powered device Dec 21 15:23:48 no. Dec 21 15:23:49 back in the 770 times people managed to do Stuff with external power injectors etc. Dec 21 15:23:51 not quite. Dec 21 15:23:52 yes Dec 21 15:23:57 most powered hubs do not supply power to the upstream port Dec 21 15:24:08 Some self powered devices require external Vusb to boot. Dec 21 15:24:15 all correctly designed powered hubs do not supply power upstream; and this is not necessary Dec 21 15:24:29 At least one printer, and one hub. Dec 21 15:24:43 would not talk at all without vusb. Dec 21 15:24:50 self-powered hub Dec 21 15:25:02 of course, if you have a powered hub, then even your broken self-powered device will work :) Dec 21 15:25:03 though the hub would continue to talk if vusb was removed Dec 21 15:25:49 Stskeeps, do you have a proper camera btw?) Dec 21 15:26:15 Stskeeps, I need sharp photo of two screens near each other Dec 21 15:26:24 wazd_n800: people tell me to buy a camera :/ Dec 21 15:26:26 Stskeeps, n800 and n900 Dec 21 15:26:52 Stskeeps, to test n900 ui's on n800 Dec 21 15:26:52 I could do n810+n900 but that wouldn't help you I guess? Dec 21 15:27:21 Corsac, well, maybe this will do Dec 21 15:27:28 fiferboy, tried building it yet? Dec 21 15:27:32 wazd_n800 screenshot? Dec 21 15:27:44 Milo-, photo Dec 21 15:28:21 Milo-, their screenshots are identical Dec 21 15:29:44 ok Dec 21 15:31:56 wazd_n800: I don't have it at hand so it'll wait tonight, is it ok? Dec 21 15:32:03 wazd_n800: what will you exactly need? Dec 21 15:32:13 a picture of both home screens, side by side? Dec 21 15:33:11 Corsac, sure, no rush Dec 21 15:33:29 Corsac, well, two sharp enabled white screens in one shot woulld be perfect Dec 21 15:33:30 wazd_n800, like this: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG Dec 21 15:34:00 sharp enabled? Dec 21 15:35:06 Corsac, sharp shot, enabled screen :) Dec 21 15:35:06 woglinde: i'm making 50G space (on fast scsi RAID!) for /scratchbox Dec 21 15:35:19 lcuk, can't check it right now Dec 21 15:35:40 http://www.google.com/trends?q=n900+nokia%2Ciphone+3gs&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 hmm Dec 21 15:35:46 ahhh well its 2 n900s sidebyside with different content Dec 21 15:38:57 wazd_n800: sure, then no problem, will do that tonight Dec 21 15:39:15 My brain is gonna explode Dec 21 15:39:21 My computer just doesn't want to flash my phone. Dec 21 15:39:21 Corsac, thx alot Dec 21 15:39:32 wazd_n800: and you'd prefer a plain white screen, the home desktop, a webpage or an image, … ? Dec 21 15:40:00 yes Dec 21 15:41:40 Corsac, wazd_n800 ahhh i see what you want, you would be better with a grid pattern Dec 21 15:42:26 With luck, my N900 will show up tomorrow. Dec 21 15:42:31 or just total measurements of usable space Dec 21 15:43:21 tcarl|work: lcuk is personally delivering now? wow Dec 21 15:43:46 Corsac, plain white Dec 21 15:44:10 Is there a 64 bit of the flasher? Dec 21 15:44:26 version of the * Dec 21 15:44:36 hi Dec 21 15:44:42 rashed2020: it seems not :/ Dec 21 15:44:57 :( Dec 21 15:45:00 i hvae problem uploading my file in extra-devel Dec 21 15:45:05 Corsac, I just need compared sizes to figure out aproximate resolution Dec 21 15:45:12 Ughhh... I need to find a work around Dec 21 15:45:54 Corsac, like n800 = 800x480, then n900 = 720x384 for example Dec 21 15:46:27 0xffff is a flasher - which reportedly may syupport Dec 21 15:46:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba Dec 21 15:46:35 hmhm, but isn't n900 800x480 too? Dec 21 15:46:58 wazd_n800, dpi works Dec 21 15:47:09 SpeedEvil: i just got an email from 0xFFFF guy this morning. Says it should work, but not certain yet. N900 support there. I'll try to test it later today. Dec 21 15:47:34 I vaguely remember someone reporting success rearlier torday Dec 21 15:47:44 an easy guestimate is the internal windowed size of a normal 8x0 app is about the same as fullscreen on the 900 Dec 21 15:47:49 be sure to grab the hg (mercurial) repo copy, as tarball definitely doesnt support it Dec 21 15:47:55 X-Fade: who is the talkmaster ? Dec 21 15:47:59 beware that flasher-3.5 also flashes mmc, modem etc. Dec 21 15:48:05 thomasvs: reggie Dec 21 15:48:08 hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF Dec 21 15:48:47 AndrewBlack: Hmm, still no highlights after running through 1.2.7... Dec 21 15:49:50 Ive looked over my template and cant find anything that would cause it, so Im certain its a theme maker problem Dec 21 15:50:18 AndrewBlack: Reflect used to have the same problem, but it was fixed in the latest version Dec 21 15:50:25 Think I'm odd, because I store my N900 development in Team Foundation Server? :P Dec 21 15:50:48 fiferboy, yep but Joopu didnt do anything just buil it on 1.2.6 and they worked Dec 21 15:51:15 I couldn't generate a deb package, so I copied the files over and deleted the gtk cache and did the hildon-theme-cacher thing Dec 21 15:51:35 0xFFFF has features that look enticing like: Dec 21 15:51:35 -c console prompt mode Dec 21 15:51:35 -D [0|1|2] sets the root device to flash (0), mmc (1) or usb (2) Dec 21 15:51:35 -s [serial] serial port console (minicom like terminal) Dec 21 15:51:35 -x extract configuration entries from /dev/mtd1 Dec 21 15:51:36 etc Dec 21 15:51:40 AndrewBlack: Maybe it is something left over from the old version. I probably should have removed all the data files, rather than copy over them Dec 21 15:51:45 jebba: console prompt mode? hmm Dec 21 15:51:52 anyone have info on spotify for n900? .p Dec 21 15:52:01 fiferboy, Kontorri always says to delete old folder first Dec 21 15:52:08 Will do Dec 21 15:52:23 i'll give it a test as soon as i have the new scratchbox space set up. Dec 21 15:53:56 Stskeeps: 0xFFFF dev wrote: "im waiting for the n900, so i'll continue the development when i got it " can't wait ;) Dec 21 15:54:45 jebba: ah, console prompt is just interactive 0xffff Dec 21 15:54:54 -x is known, CAL Dec 21 15:54:58 -s is just to cold flash Dec 21 15:54:58 ah Dec 21 15:56:20 best thing people can do is to get serial access, tbh Dec 21 15:58:17 fiferboy, if deleted only folder doesnt work try building nuvo theme that comes with theme maker and see if highlight works on it Dec 21 15:58:44 mhmh, and is it just me or http://www.maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ doesn't load? Dec 21 15:58:48 AndrewBlack: Will do, deleting the folder didn't work :( Dec 21 15:59:18 Lo, on my N900 - finally sick of the default Media Player... any alternatives available? Dec 21 15:59:37 “It's not just you! http://maemo.org looks down from here. ” Dec 21 15:59:40 ok, thanks :) Dec 21 16:00:43 maemo.org doesn't look very alive and kicking Dec 21 16:01:00 yeah. seems to be sad. Dec 21 16:01:08 works here Dec 21 16:01:20 Someone needs to reset the internet. Dec 21 16:01:23 Just came back. Dec 21 16:01:28 although a bit slow Dec 21 16:01:52 in other news, water is wet Dec 21 16:01:58 I'm sure that garage.maemo.org is running at the speed of a glacial ice flow. Dec 21 16:02:03 Other media players?! anyone!? Dec 21 16:02:14 mplayer? :P Dec 21 16:02:17 lantizia, there are several Dec 21 16:02:29 I haven't seen one that would be obviously better than the builtin media player Dec 21 16:02:31 mgedmin: haven't seen any in the repo's... extras/testing/devel Dec 21 16:02:34 woglinde: /dev/vdc1 50G 17G 33G 34% /scratchbox :) should do (marginally) faster writes now too, as i preallocated metadata. Dec 21 16:02:36 canola 2 is shiny, but startup speed kills Dec 21 16:03:18 nop, m.o doesn't work at all from here :( Dec 21 16:04:19 Corsac: try this page (and if it works, vote for conky) :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/conky/1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1/ Dec 21 16:04:34 it loads for me Dec 21 16:04:51 omg media player has picked up on a cover.jpg... AT LAST! Dec 21 16:04:59 but only one... maybe a size limit on the jpg? Dec 21 16:10:42 lizardo: ping? Dec 21 16:11:27 Hi. How can i run my own bluetooth service using on the OS layer. PyBluez and advertise_service(), yes but where to put and how to run continously? Dec 21 16:11:33 lizardo: The entry in downloads is now disabled, the only thing I need to check if it doesn't come back ;) Dec 21 16:11:38 fnordianslip: I didn't yet tried conky so I can't vote yet :) Dec 21 16:12:03 Corsac: No excuses now, you know where it is :) Dec 21 16:12:06 lantizia: vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7161 Dec 21 16:14:24 X-Fade: ok, tks! The pymaemo-optify 0.4 package in extras-devel has the Section: user/hidden trick, maybe the Downloads scripts took the description from there instead? Dec 21 16:14:39 lizardo: Yes, it does. Dec 21 16:14:47 X-Fade: (BTW it will be removed from a future version) Dec 21 16:14:58 lizardo: And don't use that section, as it is still visible in the uninstall tab. Dec 21 16:15:41 lizardo: Although not supported now, it will in newer firmware. Dec 21 16:15:45 X-Fade: ok, but I just feel strange that Downloads takes packages from extras-devel ... isn't it too risky? Dec 21 16:15:56 lizardo: It doesn't work like that. Dec 21 16:16:06 X-Fade: I mean, the descriptions Dec 21 16:16:24 It fetches from the package interface. But there it updates too early. Dec 21 16:16:26 AndrewBlack: nuvo highlighting isn't working either. I'll try building with 1.2.6 Dec 21 16:17:06 fiferboy, ok, atleast that tells me its a Theme Maker bug Joopu might have just goten luck his is working on Reflect Dec 21 16:17:38 X-Fade: hmm, ok, I believe there's a problem if someone mistakenly adds the Section: user/* to a package that did not meant to have it, uploads it to extras-devel , then sometime later "regular" users start seeing the entry on the Dowloads page Dec 21 16:17:40 AndrewBlack: What version did you use to build maemo-org? Dec 21 16:17:58 lizardo: Will go away when you upload new version. Dec 21 16:18:39 lizardo: But it will only work when your app itself is already in extras Dec 21 16:18:47 lizardo: So not really that big of a deal. Dec 21 16:18:53 X-Fade: sure , but it may go unnoticed until you get the first comment from the Downloads page like "how do I use it?" (yes, it happened) Dec 21 16:19:16 What does it mean when the computer finds the phone when flashing then says Dec 21 16:19:17 lizardo: Yeah, but still you promoted it to extras before it showed up. Dec 21 16:19:17 X-Fade: ah, ok now I get the conditions Dec 21 16:19:38 "Booting into flash mode" and then stays on "Suitable USB device not found" Dec 21 16:19:46 X-Fade: so we all need to be careful with what we upload to extras-devel, once there is some version in extras :) Dec 21 16:20:22 lizardo: Yeah for now, will fix it of course. Dec 21 16:20:52 lizardo: But our biggest priority is getting things moved to the new hardware asap. As slowness is a big pain. Dec 21 16:21:26 X-Fade: agreed... I gave up using SVN regularly as I did before (I was using git-svn already so I commit things locally) Dec 21 16:21:31 jebba yes Dec 21 16:22:18 hm I should build git-buildpackage for fremantle Dec 21 16:24:20 AndrewBlack: highlighting works with 1.2.6 Dec 21 16:25:27 anyone use the double os in the n810? Dec 21 16:27:22 stevenhong: Stskeeps Dec 21 16:29:23 So I found a fix for my secondary Debian desktop on the N900! New versions of Easy Debian and the rootfs available... Dec 21 16:29:34 qole: cool :) Dec 21 16:30:19 fiferboy, works for maemo-org? Dec 21 16:30:36 AndrewBlack: Just checking now Dec 21 16:31:00 i use the tool for clone the system to the mmc.but when i use to mmc for boot. always tip failed. Dec 21 16:31:00 because I thought maemo-org was build using 1.2.6 last time Dec 21 16:31:13 i don't know how to do Dec 21 16:32:45 The keyboard didn't work in the LXDE environment at all, but qobi wrote a little utility that fixed the window. Dec 21 16:32:51 AndrewBlack: No, it isn't working for maemo-org, but it looks like something weird happened when I replayed the postinst file Dec 21 16:33:12 Ok so now it gets stuck on the second boot screen :/ Dec 21 16:33:51 wonder if - in theme name could cause any problems Dec 21 16:35:47 hmm sure is quiet in here. Dec 21 16:35:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=435602#post435602 Dec 21 16:37:54 weird, suddenly I see everyone... Dec 21 16:38:39 even the dead ones? Dec 21 16:39:31 ugh Dec 21 16:39:36 i give up on dd-wrt as a vpn server Dec 21 16:39:53 i think i am going to have to swap it out and just make a debian pptp server Dec 21 16:39:57 * mgedmin could never make friends with any vpn Dec 21 16:40:11 give me ssh and I'll behappy Dec 21 16:40:21 * ShadowJK made friends with openvpn Dec 21 16:44:19 Macer: Look up OpenVPN Access Server Dec 21 16:44:27 I don't see how openvpn can make friends with DNS Dec 21 16:45:02 Ok seriously. Flashing is way more error prone then I think it should be. Dec 21 16:45:08 It just does NOT want to work. Dec 21 16:46:28 64 bytes from h2 (xx.xx.xx.xx): icmp_seq=17 ttl=56 time=63873 ms Dec 21 16:46:33 3g \o/ Dec 21 16:47:33 * AndrewBlack cant figure out this Theme Maker Highlighting issue Dec 21 16:48:41 AndrewBlack: Taking out the "-" doesn't help Dec 21 16:51:12 Im really not sure should work because source image is setup right, image is being sliced right, but something in gtk files is wrong or something is being installd wrong. Dec 21 16:51:43 AndrewBlack: The gtkrc looks like it is refering to the correct images Dec 21 16:51:44 fiferboy: single photo chooser on your photo frame app needs to start in MyDocs Dec 21 16:51:57 qole: Duly noted Dec 21 16:52:15 fiferboy: thanks! Dec 21 16:52:28 qole: Do you use single photo mode? Dec 21 16:52:44 Is the N900 the same for all regions? Dec 21 16:52:50 Hardware-wise. Dec 21 16:52:56 keyboards differ Dec 21 16:53:04 That's it? Dec 21 16:53:08 other specs are the same Dec 21 16:53:18 What about NOLO? Dec 21 16:53:20 fiferboy: I tried... it is stuck in /usr, I can't browse my photos. Dec 21 16:53:27 nolo? Dec 21 16:53:35 qole: Ah Dec 21 16:53:43 hi Dec 21 16:53:50 why is flash terribly slow on maemo browser? Dec 21 16:53:51 Well, what I'm trying to figure out is if the phone allows me to flash roms from different regions. Dec 21 16:53:55 does someone use maemo-mapper? Dec 21 16:54:09 dunno .. but prolly yes Dec 21 16:54:46 fiferboy, Im out of ideas on how to fix it Dec 21 16:54:59 AndrewBlack: I'll keep looking Dec 21 16:55:00 youtube/embedded video playback is totally and utterly too low speed, let alone few simple flash games Dec 21 16:55:03 * mgedmin used maemo-mapper on his n810 a lot; has it installed on his n900 and has run it a time or two Dec 21 16:55:27 mgedmin hm why not navit? Dec 21 16:55:29 mgedmin: meamo-mapper seems to download all the maps to MyDocs/maps/Openstreetmap Dec 21 16:55:39 kinda kills the idea of having flash in a mobile browser in the first place doesnt it? Dec 21 16:55:43 red: because it does not have 2 GHz x86 CPU Dec 21 16:55:56 red: you need to design flash especially for mobile (think Flash Lite) Dec 21 16:56:02 mgedmin: its seems to be possible to download it to an sqlite db Dec 21 16:56:04 woglinde, navit was the closed map crap on the n810? it was crap, that's why not it Dec 21 16:56:15 Apparently americans didn't get powertop? Dec 21 16:56:15 mgedmin nope Dec 21 16:56:22 since when did u need 2ghz cpu for youtube low quality playback Dec 21 16:56:26 ShadowJK, yeah, I heard that somewhere Dec 21 16:56:29 oh right, never Dec 21 16:56:36 mgedmin navit is freesoftware you only have to convert osm-maps for navit Dec 21 16:56:48 mgedmin: but it refuses to download any maps to the db Dec 21 16:56:49 and then you can gps-rotuing Dec 21 16:56:57 woglinde, ah, ok Dec 21 16:57:02 does it use vector maps? Dec 21 16:57:09 no downloads of maps needed Dec 21 16:57:11 only one Dec 21 16:57:12 woglinde: i also used navit on my freerunner and i was happy with it Dec 21 16:57:18 moo-_-: just makes it feel like utterly redundant feature Dec 21 16:57:20 woglinde: is it in the repos yet? Dec 21 16:57:22 blueslee yes Dec 21 16:57:32 blueslee I am working on it for fremantle Dec 21 16:57:38 as its one of the big advertizement things Dec 21 16:57:42 woglinde: ohh, i missed that Dec 21 16:57:42 there's a proliferation of maps apps for maemo lately Dec 21 16:57:49 cp15 build some debs out of svn Dec 21 16:57:57 Ugh.. I was hoping that's why it wasn't working so I'd just give up. Dec 21 16:57:59 I remember installing some of them (roadGPS?), and being a bit disappointed Dec 21 16:58:01 but they have some mem alloc problem in the latest revs Dec 21 16:58:32 blueslee we are using navit in a customerproject Dec 21 16:58:39 woglinde: i have a maps image for navit, which i mount Dec 21 16:58:47 red: n900 is able to watch Flash pr0n streams from redtube.com, xhamster.com, youporn.com... you name it. How that could be useless??? Dec 21 16:58:53 blueslee sure Dec 21 16:59:08 woglinde: i used it on my freerunner, but i will also install it on the n900 if its available Dec 21 16:59:08 blueslee but maemo-mapper needs wifi to download maptiles Dec 21 16:59:13 and has no real routing Dec 21 16:59:20 as far as I saw it Dec 21 16:59:25 i thought it has routing Dec 21 16:59:30 hm Dec 21 16:59:46 there is a menue entry for it Dec 21 16:59:52 m.youtube has higher quality (more than qqqqqqqcif or whatever) these days. Too bad it redirects you to full youtube if it suspects you're within 100 miles of a flash-capable device Dec 21 17:00:01 ine Clock] [One Second Line Clock] [Manual Pulse Generator] Dec 21 17:00:02 oops Dec 21 17:00:04 misclick Dec 21 17:00:11 hm maemo-mapper? with route as text? Dec 21 17:00:13 mgedmin: do you download your maps to a sqlte db? Dec 21 17:00:22 I don't care where maemo-mapper stashes them Dec 21 17:00:36 I care that it lest me download maps beforehand and then browse them when I'm offline Dec 21 17:00:51 hmm, i care, as i dont want millions of maps or files on my device Dec 21 17:00:56 I thought it used sqlite dbs, but then I once ran 'file openstreetmap.db' and got 'GDBM 2.x database' or something back Dec 21 17:01:11 millions? Dec 21 17:01:16 gdbm 2.x uh Dec 21 17:01:18 well, maemo-mapper doesn't download entire maps Dec 21 17:01:24 mgedmin: just a joke Dec 21 17:01:28 it downloads only those areas and zoom levels you select Dec 21 17:01:31 which is a plus and a minus Dec 21 17:01:46 worst problem with maemo-mapper is that gdbm or sqlite or whatever it uses is TOO DAMN SLOW Dec 21 17:02:07 try to pan a lot at a high zoom level, you'll end up with a queue of seven hourglasses and will have to wait 5 minutes for it to catch up Dec 21 17:02:16 in that case i will download the maps, make an image and mount it to MyMaps/.maps/Openstreetmap Dec 21 17:02:22 also, it tends to run out of memory Dec 21 17:02:32 closing and reopening fixes that, but you have to do it manually Dec 21 17:02:36 I suspect the DB cache is too large Dec 21 17:02:46 okay Dec 21 17:02:48 If flashing the eMMC is exactly the same process as flashing a ROM. Why would I have trouble doing one but not the other? Any clues? Dec 21 17:02:55 I've no clue what you mean by "make an image" Dec 21 17:03:13 rashed2020, I'd assume it's not exactly the same process... Dec 21 17:03:19 I'm yet to flash mine Dec 21 17:03:25 Maemo-Mapper shouldn't need much of a database cache at all. Dec 21 17:03:29 I guess I'll discover what the diffs are soon Dec 21 17:03:38 AndrewBlack: If I copy the "images" folder from maemo-org to a working nuvo install, I get your buttons highlighting properly Dec 21 17:03:42 It caches the actual, decoded map tiles. Dec 21 17:03:51 mgedmin: They're the same command line arguments afaict. It's just about picking the right image name. One gets flashed fine and the other can't find the phone which blows my mind. Dec 21 17:03:53 AndrewBlack: It is definitely something wrong with the configuration Dec 21 17:03:56 are there any tower defense games for n900@635? Dec 21 17:04:04 yet*? Dec 21 17:05:10 tetris? Dec 21 17:05:18 red: haha, I was just missing that myself Dec 21 17:05:25 woglinde: is navit not stable enough on the maemo platform? Dec 21 17:05:51 its my fav pda game genre :p Dec 21 17:06:07 towermadness on iphone i miss :) Dec 21 17:06:40 btw m8s .. best app for twitter? Dec 21 17:07:02 rashed2020, I assume you're following this guide, right? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Dec 21 17:07:24 red: poke game vendors Dec 21 17:07:27 woglinde: do you know tangogps? Dec 21 17:07:44 hi there, anybody with GPS problems in the N900 willing to give a try to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c25 ? Dec 21 17:07:45 tango is moving map only Dec 21 17:07:48 Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Dec 21 17:08:05 rashed2020, what error does it give you? what os do you have on the desktop/laptop? Dec 21 17:08:18 I ask about OS because I see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4955 Dec 21 17:08:20 Bug 4955: Native flasher 3.5 can't flash eMMC image on windows Dec 21 17:08:29 Ah damn it. Dec 21 17:08:31 "You can even try indoors" <- what, you imply indoors ever works? Dec 21 17:08:36 * SpeedEvil puts down gloovs Dec 21 17:08:41 hm, maybe coarse yeah.. Dec 21 17:08:43 ShadowJK: I get fine GPS lock indoors Dec 21 17:08:48 ShadowJK: yes Dec 21 17:08:50 blueslee yes Dec 21 17:08:51 ShadowJK: not quickly Dec 21 17:09:00 Took me forever to get a 32bit machine to I'm gonna have to convince its owner to let me install linux Dec 21 17:09:00 blueslee it was verystable Dec 21 17:09:16 woglinde: then i will try it out on my n900 Dec 21 17:09:20 blueslee but I have to write an vehicle-gps-liblocation plugin Dec 21 17:09:20 rashed2020, hey, read that bug -- latest 3.5 flasher release supposedly works fine Dec 21 17:09:20 vmware ftw Dec 21 17:09:29 blueslee its not yet there Dec 21 17:09:34 I don't get any GPS indoors, I'm right under a metal roof :-) Dec 21 17:09:42 I will try to upload it this evening Dec 21 17:09:50 ShadowJK: then please try the steps at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c25 Dec 21 17:09:52 Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Dec 21 17:09:55 fiferboy, thats odd I guess I can just use the gtk files and stuff Dec 21 17:10:03 I found I had much better luck with network assist gps when I switched the host to supl.google.com Dec 21 17:10:03 * mgedmin managed to get GPS indoors but only by placing the GPS receiver right next up against the window, and waiting hours Dec 21 17:10:06 woglinde: that sounds good Dec 21 17:10:14 otherwise GPS indoors is "won't happen" Dec 21 17:10:20 As in, works all the time VS hardly ever Dec 21 17:10:29 mgedmin: then you know what to test too :) Dec 21 17:10:35 mgedmin: Ah, I just read it. Doesn't apply to me. With me it finds the device, then says starting flash mode and hangs on "No suitable USB device found" Dec 21 17:10:39 SplasPood: same for you Dec 21 17:10:58 is it possible to use the latest Qt 4.6.0 with the maemo sdk? Dec 21 17:11:01 qgil: hrm? Dec 21 17:11:02 AndrewBlack: Yeah, just trying to overwrite the gtkrc file and see if everything looks as it should Dec 21 17:11:06 mgedmin: its very cold here otherwise i would offer to be a beta tester:-) Dec 21 17:11:10 SplasPood: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c25 Dec 21 17:11:11 Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Dec 21 17:11:14 fiferboy, ok Dec 21 17:11:31 trying indoors - cancelling rwo requests. Dec 21 17:11:41 woglinde: its very cold here otherwise i would offer to be a beta tester:-) Dec 21 17:11:56 blueslee *g* you would not be the only one Dec 21 17:12:18 mgedmin: The USB icon on the phone also suddenly disappears, and the second boot screen with the circles comes up then hangs. Dec 21 17:12:19 BluesLee: I decided to dig on these GPS problems while being in Helsinki... Dec 21 17:12:31 qgil: still no connection - two 3g bars Dec 21 17:12:43 rashed2020, and you have flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe? Dec 21 17:12:49 qgil: what kind of temperatures you have there? Dec 21 17:12:50 SpeedEvil: following the steps described in the bug report? Dec 21 17:12:57 rashed2020, if so, complain at that maemo bug Dec 21 17:13:06 evening all Dec 21 17:13:07 mgedmin: Indeed I do. Dec 21 17:13:10 hehe lardman Dec 21 17:13:13 Alright, I'll do that. Dec 21 17:13:25 BluesLee: http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/02974.html Dec 21 17:13:31 qgil: all but disabling data roaming - I have no capability to data roam here Dec 21 17:13:50 SpeedEvil: which network do you have? Dec 21 17:13:56 qgil: t-mob uk Dec 21 17:14:09 qgil: thats pretty cold Dec 21 17:14:10 also no net connectoin was made. Dec 21 17:14:35 qgil, pretty much instantly a "coarse" lock.. There's no scale on Ovi Maps, but I would estimate the error to be about 10 kilometres Dec 21 17:14:38 qgil: maps important, or location-test-gui useful too/ Dec 21 17:14:43 AndrewBlack: Copied over the gtkrc now highlighting is NOT working Dec 21 17:14:49 * SpeedEvil turns off roaming Dec 21 17:15:01 well, maps is the easiest for people to test Dec 21 17:15:09 fiferboy, so gtkrc from maemo-org kills highlighting Dec 21 17:15:17 SpeedEvil: I wonder if you are missing a step or you have something related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7057 Dec 21 17:15:18 Bug 7057: supl.nokia.com not working for Networking positioning on T-Mobile USA Dec 21 17:15:19 AndrewBlack: correct Dec 21 17:15:27 qgil: I'll see if I can do that later, I will say I'm not having any more issues after changing the host. Dec 21 17:15:32 yea, maybe 7057 Dec 21 17:15:35 qgil: ok - data roaming was already at ask Dec 21 17:15:53 I moved N900 to a spot by the window where N810 gets locks Dec 21 17:16:07 7057 sounds like what my issue was/is Dec 21 17:16:13 ugh my N900 rebooted again Dec 21 17:16:19 if you can send me the gtk files from nuvo I can package maemo-org up with them. Dec 21 17:16:21 sounds like its time to reflash Dec 21 17:17:04 if you can share your GPS tests under the conditions described at Bug 2076 that would be really appreciated Dec 21 17:17:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2076 Adding file directories (i.e. Documents, MMC) to Task Launcher/Navigator Dec 21 17:17:08 * lardman wonders how well this will work on the N900: http://xcweather.co.uk/m/ Dec 21 17:17:15 oops I mean Bug 7026 Dec 21 17:17:17 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Dec 21 17:17:30 hmhm, I didn't notice maemo mapper was available in extra-devel Dec 21 17:17:33 siriusnova, be careful about frequent reboots, there's that scary bug that makes n900 hang on boot when it's been rebooted 17 times without being powered off Dec 21 17:17:42 :O Dec 21 17:17:49 mgedmin: lol, what? Dec 21 17:17:50 wee, I'm back Dec 21 17:17:56 seriously? Dec 21 17:17:56 mgedmin: lol? Dec 21 17:17:57 or even http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=436482#post436482 if you're more a kind of a Talk dude Dec 21 17:17:58 siriusnova, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 Dec 21 17:17:59 Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them Dec 21 17:18:03 ^ Dec 21 17:18:06 LOL Dec 21 17:18:07 wow Dec 21 17:18:23 well, there's a workaround described. :-P Dec 21 17:18:35 scary Dec 21 17:18:50 what? Dec 21 17:19:02 not as fun as "android camera out of focus every second period of 42.5 days", or the "everything you type is treated as input in a root shell", but maemo is trying to get its own share of interesting bugs Dec 21 17:19:04 yes Nokia please give us a firmware update stat Dec 21 17:19:05 :| Dec 21 17:19:42 qgil: 3 3g bars inside, restarted location-test-gui, no fix after 3 mins, with no data Dec 21 17:20:07 I have definately had network positioning working before Dec 21 17:20:10 siriusnova, http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/ Dec 21 17:20:13 of some sort Dec 21 17:20:16 any chance that at some point u could tweak kinetic scrolling to be more sensitive/faster? Dec 21 17:20:21 mgedmin: yea, I think I was the first person to post about the 'root bug' you described in android Dec 21 17:20:24 mgedmin: fun stuff Dec 21 17:20:34 ~curse that bloody email client for always asking for credentials when I connect Dec 21 17:20:36 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, that bloody email client for always asking for credentials when I connect ! Dec 21 17:20:44 The most recent android 'exploit' relating to signed updates is kinda cute too Dec 21 17:20:46 the openoffice.org "cannot print on Tuesdays" was also nice Dec 21 17:21:01 lardman haha Dec 21 17:21:06 SpeedEvil: I guess we must take values from T-Mobile users with a grain of salt while that other bug is open? no idea Dec 21 17:21:11 1 vs a 3 in the code, thats all and small sized signed updates are passed without check Dec 21 17:21:54 qgil: I have a couple of other SIMs I could try Dec 21 17:21:57 well thats what you get for being an "early adopter" Dec 21 17:21:59 :p Dec 21 17:22:01 like me Dec 21 17:22:06 that would be appreciated SpeedEvil Dec 21 17:22:07 once eaten - food cooling. Dec 21 17:22:24 very useful for the T-Mobile bug report, by the way Dec 21 17:22:27 ouuuh, fast internets! Dec 21 17:22:50 AndrewBlack: Even weirder - if I keep the nuvo gtkrc and just use your colour definitions highlighting doesn't work! Dec 21 17:23:11 qgil: also - 3g failed at one point, and it went to 2g - still no position - though it asked to reconnect again Dec 21 17:23:16 qgil, hello Dec 21 17:23:18 fiferboy, odd Dec 21 17:23:33 SpeedEvil: what about a reboot, just in case Dec 21 17:23:37 after lunch :) Dec 21 17:23:38 k Dec 21 17:23:42 random reboot Dec 21 17:23:43 cool Dec 21 17:23:45 wazd: hi there Dec 21 17:23:57 bah. N900 switched the screen off, and the GPs seemed to have swiched off too Dec 21 17:24:00 no locks though Dec 21 17:24:16 (other than network triangulation) Dec 21 17:24:22 indoors gps seems to work for me Dec 21 17:24:31 AndrewBlack: Hmm, if I go back to the original nuvo gtkrc it isn't working anymore either Dec 21 17:24:42 ShadowJK: I don't expect anybody to get fine accurate locks indoors, really Dec 21 17:24:42 AndrewBlack: This is pretty messed up Dec 21 17:24:51 ali1234 I even get with n810 indoor gps locks Dec 21 17:24:52 lardman: how's the Qt version coming along? Dec 21 17:25:04 yeah N900 theme still needs some work on UI peoples part Dec 21 17:25:24 i reflashed an n900 yesterday for someone, cos they were having problems with the nokia maps Dec 21 17:25:40 qgil, it was in a location the N810 gps gets indoor lock too ;-) Dec 21 17:25:41 first thing they did was load up maps, and it already had the exact position Dec 21 17:25:42 moo qgil Dec 21 17:26:13 kinda cool it didn't need to go consult some huge database about celltower locations... Dec 21 17:26:17 hi crashanddie_mbp where are you? Dec 21 17:26:25 qgil: Perpinya Dec 21 17:26:39 ah ok :) Dec 21 17:26:42 you? Dec 21 17:26:46 Köln Dec 21 17:26:57 djeezus, what the hell are you doing in Koln? Dec 21 17:27:03 qgil prost Dec 21 17:27:32 my kids are born here, and non-coincidentally, the mother as well Dec 21 17:27:33 okay Dec 21 17:27:36 I have to go Dec 21 17:27:47 till later Dec 21 17:28:19 so thank you for your GPS reports :) Dec 21 17:28:21 bye! Dec 21 17:30:01 I love how qgil always joins and leaves for no apparent reason. He arrives unannounced, leaves unannounced, does all of his business in the dark, he's like the Batman of #maemo Dec 21 17:30:12 qotd++ Dec 21 17:30:31 haha Dec 21 17:30:38 ... if we had such a thing as a quote of the day for #maemo ... Dec 21 17:30:39 qgil: argh - sorry - I found SIM and remmebered the reason I wasn't using it was that it gets no signal. Sorry - not going outside to stand on the path while it's snowing. Dec 21 17:30:44 oh Dec 21 17:31:21 crashanddie_mbp: qgil needs moar screen+irssi+ssh Dec 21 17:31:23 i thought n900 only did a-gps, not network positioning? Dec 21 17:31:30 yeah - it's doing _some_ sort of network positioning Dec 21 17:31:39 FINALLY Dec 21 17:31:41 it does network positioning too Dec 21 17:31:42 ugh. got it. Dec 21 17:31:43 SpeedEvil: but how?! Dec 21 17:31:45 I allow it to connect to the internet, and it has a position within 5s or so Dec 21 17:31:48 dunno Dec 21 17:31:54 I wonder if we could piggyback on Apple's positioning system Dec 21 17:32:00 with a stated accuracy of 3.5km Dec 21 17:32:06 can you broadcast coordinates from accesspoints? Dec 21 17:32:11 that'd be cool Dec 21 17:32:13 timeless_mbp: what wonders of English are you updating me to now....? ;) Dec 21 17:32:28 SpeedEvil: how do you know the stated accuracy? Dec 21 17:32:45 Corsac: location-test-gui Dec 21 17:34:51 isn't there some free wifi location db's Dec 21 17:35:12 ಠ_ಠ Dec 21 17:35:14 * lardman goes to try getting a lock with out of date almanac + ephemeris data Dec 21 17:35:37 SpeedEvil, that stated accuracy was showing 60km for me at one point :) Dec 21 17:35:53 600km here Dec 21 17:35:56 lol Dec 21 17:36:05 which is basically 'the uk' Dec 21 17:37:01 zash: in the UK there used to be consume.net but i think that project is well and truly dead Dec 21 17:37:03 i really hope that Google port Google Maps onto Maemo...even though i think i know the answer :( Dec 21 17:37:48 port j2me and run the j2me google maps version ;-) Dec 21 17:38:17 would that still have access to the GPS module though? Dec 21 17:38:18 Haaard day's life Dec 21 17:38:28 Google Maps is the only thing i miss Android for Dec 21 17:38:46 oscillik, that's the big part of porting j2me/dalvik/etc... Dec 21 17:38:49 oscillik: Here's to that! If only we could feed GPS data into the web version of google maps easily Dec 21 17:39:05 i REALLY needed it today, and Ovi Maps just had epic fail written all over it when i needed it most Dec 21 17:39:13 Oh wait... there's an API Dec 21 17:39:49 hmm, /me gets 4 sats seen within a minute, then get too cold to stand on the balcony Dec 21 17:40:08 ovi maps seems to use some strange map source... like, even private "roads" I wouldn't drive a tractor on show up.. ones that have 10 metre tall trees growing in the middle of them.. Dec 21 17:40:29 ShadowJK: select "car" rather than "tank" Dec 21 17:40:36 lol Dec 21 17:40:55 s/tank/tank with tree-destroying flails Dec 21 17:41:08 Bit of a shame MicroB wont let you drag to pan google maps Dec 21 17:41:21 yeah Dec 21 17:41:30 Gadgetoid_mbp: yes, if i could pan the maps easier, that would at least be useable Dec 21 17:41:31 you can activate the mouse pointer then it will work Dec 21 17:41:44 lardman i tried that, it didn't work Dec 21 17:41:48 yeah it works fine with mouse pointer Dec 21 17:41:49 Me too Dec 21 17:41:59 oscillik: oh right Dec 21 17:42:11 SpeedEvil: hmhm, is it loaded by default or is there a packag? Dec 21 17:42:11 But I'm sure a GPS integrating maps app would be possible, using google maps data Dec 21 17:42:24 And the MicroB engine, I would guess Dec 21 17:42:29 lardman it just changes the cursor to a 4-way cursor, and when i move it, it doesn't move the map Dec 21 17:42:31 Gadgetoid_mbp: what sort of thing? Dec 21 17:42:38 ovi maps data seems nice enough to me... it's just that you can't do much with it :-) Dec 21 17:42:38 Gadgetoid_mbp: Surely maemaps does that? Dec 21 17:42:59 Haven't given it a try, to be honest lardman Dec 21 17:43:15 I never found any third party map application very effective, so I gave up trying them Dec 21 17:43:19 is there some way of getting my own data into ovi maps, like KML with gmaps? Dec 21 17:43:27 AndrewBlack: Okay, weirdest of all: if I build your theme with the name "Maemo" in 1.2.7 everything works fine Dec 21 17:43:38 AndrewBlack: Capital "M" no "-" Dec 21 17:43:46 That said, most of that experience was on the N810 and OSX/Windows/Ubuntu on my netbook- trying to use a bluetooth GPS effectively Dec 21 17:43:48 Gadgetoid_mbp: it's a web app, Google mashup sort of thing Dec 21 17:45:13 lardman: again, shame about the lack of draggin' Dec 21 17:45:21 lardman interesting, i've never heard of that...gonna fire it up on the N900 Dec 21 17:45:50 maybe someone should make a video of dragging in google maps.. Dec 21 17:45:53 also try the Latitude stuff, I need to finish my latitude update daemon too though Dec 21 17:46:14 Maemaps is kinda nice, though Dec 21 17:46:33 You do that, ShadowJK Dec 21 17:47:05 tried multiple games from extras, all awful Dec 21 17:47:36 red: to be expected Dec 21 17:47:39 oh well, maybe in 3 years there will be enjoyable ones Dec 21 17:47:50 What, like there are on the N810? Dec 21 17:47:53 Gadgetoid_mbp: yup Dec 21 17:47:57 SpeedEvil: I get a fix within ~5sec here (with internet) with a precision of the shown location of lt 20m. very first reported location after 'aybe 3s is off around 100m. all with desktop location widget Dec 21 17:47:58 lardman: thanks for the tip on maeMaps, that's a nifty little webapp :D Dec 21 17:48:01 Jaffa, ping? Dec 21 17:48:09 Gaming on the N900 is a bit of a pipedream, get a Pandora Dec 21 17:48:15 oh well, hope psx emulator is working soon Dec 21 17:48:18 and a pandora isn't a pipedream? Dec 21 17:48:23 Oh the irony in that statement, at least Pandora isn't complete vapour anymore Dec 21 17:48:24 hmhm, seems that I should get it from http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo5.0/ but what is this repository? It's not extra, it's not “nokia applications”, it's not “system software updates, so? Dec 21 17:48:32 has anyone tested the sega one? Dec 21 17:48:45 Gadgetoid: not legally - the limits of what yu can do with GPS data are very limited. Dec 21 17:48:47 Actually, I lie, gaming on the N900 with a wiimote and TV is pretty awesome Dec 21 17:49:11 DocScrutinizer51: with decent signal I get that too - but with barely usable GPS - indoors - snow on roof - it takes some minutes to lock Dec 21 17:49:11 that could be Dec 21 17:49:24 Gadgetoid: err - the limits of what you can do with google-maps data is very limited Dec 21 17:49:30 SpeedEvil: also note that e.g. FR gets a fix in less than 10s without any connectivity, if sat signal is really good Dec 21 17:49:46 DocScrutinizer51: and it's warm. Dec 21 17:50:38 Indeed SpeedEvil, I just want some sort of browser plugin that builds a URL with co-ordinates from the GPS- grabbed from GPSD I guess Dec 21 17:50:45 Gadgetoid, first you swipe left to right to bring out the pointer and the pointer icon. Then you tap the pointer icon so that a red line appears over it. Then you have pointer and can drag in google maps Dec 21 17:50:45 We have GPSD and barely use it Dec 21 17:50:49 I just tried it Dec 21 17:50:58 Gadgetoid: like the microb plugin? Dec 21 17:51:10 Gadgetoid: in the repos? Dec 21 17:51:28 ShadowJK: so intuitive! Dec 21 17:51:30 SpeedEvil: ohrly? Dec 21 17:51:35 yarly. Dec 21 17:51:45 ShadowJK: It works, but jesus it it piss poor in terms of responsiveness! Dec 21 17:51:48 ShadowJK: Cheers Dec 21 17:51:58 it's about as responsive as ovi maps, sadly.. Dec 21 17:51:59 Ah, not yet home( Dec 21 17:52:08 Hahaha, harsh Dec 21 17:52:10 But true Dec 21 17:52:57 aha i see google latitude updater Dec 21 17:53:17 Gadgetoid_mbp: am going to write a better version Dec 21 17:53:41 Gadgetoid_mbp: or indeed am writing a better version, to run as a daemon and auto-update at intervals Dec 21 17:54:29 lardman nice one... less bloattastic too? Dec 21 17:54:41 indeed, will not have a gui ;) Dec 21 17:54:48 lardman: it would be nice if it listened to accells too Dec 21 17:54:51 though will have a control panel for settings Dec 21 17:55:06 lardman: absolutely stationary - don't bother unless stale position already Dec 21 17:55:09 SpeedEvil: accels? and integrate for distance?" Dec 21 17:55:12 no :) Dec 21 17:55:14 ah ok Dec 21 17:55:20 well liblocation does that anyway Dec 21 17:55:29 won't send updates to you if you've not moved Dec 21 17:55:46 lardman: It seemed to always assume a minimum velocity of 50m/s in the uncertainty Dec 21 17:56:31 hmm, sounds quite fast to me ;) Dec 21 17:56:31 which is probably pessimistic for when it's sitting on a desk. Dec 21 17:56:36 yeah, but that's down to how it performs the calc isn't it Dec 21 17:56:39 (looking at the error growth in location-test-gui) Dec 21 17:56:45 for Latitude the actual location is all that matters Dec 21 17:56:49 yeah Dec 21 17:59:49 Is there a limit on the size of the jpg that the media player will use for album art? Dec 21 17:59:51 hmm, odd, filename limit of ~90 chars for a WinXP filename Dec 21 18:00:01 one 300x300 jpg worked... but the others that are bigger didn't Dec 21 18:01:12 I can bet it's hardcoded Dec 21 18:01:49 the album thing? Dec 21 18:02:05 Yeah Dec 21 18:02:14 harded coded how? Dec 21 18:02:52 the size limit Dec 21 18:03:00 300x300 - art, others - not Dec 21 18:03:01 res limit rather Dec 21 18:03:28 fiferboy, lower case m doesnt work lol Dec 21 18:03:33 well how can I find out the actual limit? Dec 21 18:03:42 AndrewBlack: Looks that way :) Dec 21 18:03:49 fuuny Dec 21 18:04:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=436220&postcount=2 I mean really?! Dec 21 18:04:07 AndrewBlack: I'm working to see if I can create a package from what was generated that will cleanly update from the old version Dec 21 18:05:12 ~bug 5315 Dec 21 18:05:13 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5315 3 Mobile SIM card rejected Dec 21 18:06:04 well Im going to have the build my source package my self anyways unless that is working in Theme Maker now. So all I really need is the source anyways. If you can build it from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Maemo/Maemo.png its has a few fixes in it Dec 21 18:06:38 AndrewBlack: my god, it' Dec 21 18:06:42 s full of orange Dec 21 18:07:09 Stskeeps, lol don like it Dec 21 18:07:40 AndrewBlack: I can get you a package you can upload to the autobuilder with XB-Maemo-Display-Name if you like Dec 21 18:07:45 AndrewBlack: nah, i'll probably make it into a mer theme :P Dec 21 18:08:32 fiferboy, Cool becuase Ive been using py2deb for my package and couldn figure out XB-Maemo-Display-Name with it Dec 21 18:08:45 Stskeeps, Cool Dec 21 18:08:56 AndrewBlack: py2deb makes a source package? Dec 21 18:09:01 fiferboy, yep Dec 21 18:09:39 AndrewBlack: All you need to do is extract the package, put XB-Maemo-Display-Name in the control file and rebuild the package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S Dec 21 18:10:47 is it appropriate to discuss n900 here? Dec 21 18:10:51 AndrewBlack, I'd make some of the elements lighters Dec 21 18:11:01 fiferboy, ok Dec 21 18:11:09 Text boxes, for instance, should probably be white. Dec 21 18:11:20 AndrewBlack: I will send you the source output from theme maker 1.2.7 then Dec 21 18:11:44 * GAN900 would really love a light theme. Dec 21 18:11:53 fiferboy, OK thanks Dec 21 18:11:58 GAN900: Try nuvo_fre from the theme maker garage page Dec 21 18:12:04 tigert, Bora. Plankton. Fremantle. Dec 21 18:12:15 GAN900, was thinking of doing a light one next Dec 21 18:12:24 AndrewBlack: Do you want me to try calling the theme Maemo.org? Dec 21 18:12:41 AndrewBlack: I mean Maemo-org Dec 21 18:12:44 fiferboy, sure Dec 21 18:13:07 AndrewBlack: And I'll copy over the backgrounds from your old package Dec 21 18:13:12 am in a bit of a dilema her and would appreciate if anyone can help out. I am having issues connecting to internet due to the fact that most 3rd party internet awared applications on the N900 (mauku, gpodder, etc) dont respect the systemwide proxy settings in my wireless profile. I was trying a walk round the issue, and I try adding export_http to /etc/profile which seems to work, but I was unable to use the browser because it times out till i comment Dec 21 18:13:13 out the http_proxy in /etc/profile .. Dec 21 18:14:16 can anyone please enlighting me on how i can tell the browser not to ignore /etc/profile, so i can use 3rd party apps and the web browser at the same time? :( Dec 21 18:17:14 fiferboy, k if you know how and want to package it up for extras that will be fine would save me the trouble since Im at work right now I could go ahead and get it uploaded Dec 21 18:17:48 AndrewBlack: No problem. What do you want the display name to be? Dec 21 18:18:11 I guess maemo.org theme Dec 21 18:19:51 GAN900, btw Im considering going to white entry boxes but right now we are limited on text colors and to make everything work out right I had to go with white text on those boxes. Simular problem with converstations Dec 21 18:20:07 AndrewBlack: looks good (theme) btw Dec 21 18:20:29 That just reminded me fiferboy you need to use the colors css file out of old theme it has to be hand changes since theme maker doesnt fix it Dec 21 18:20:30 theme? what when where? Dec 21 18:20:43 Stskeeps, thanks Dec 21 18:20:59 AndrewBlack: Got it Dec 21 18:21:15 lardman: yo Dec 21 18:21:18 Stskeeps, Ive come along way from my Windws XP theme Dec 21 18:22:51 hey crashanddie_mbp Dec 21 18:23:01 what's up? Dec 21 18:24:01 hmmm i need to keep workig on my theme Dec 21 18:24:34 how are timestamps in general handled in maemo? I'm trying to look at ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db (sms messages) and it has events.end_time, which is an integer Dec 21 18:24:48 but if I try to handle it as a unix epoch time, I get something very wrong Dec 21 18:24:56 does any one know of n900 non-official repositories around ? If you saw this twice sorry my xchat crashed .. Dec 21 18:25:06 argh, never mind, my test was flawed :-)) Dec 21 18:25:24 http://www.freemoe.org has a repo, but not much there not in extras-devel (besides kernel) Dec 21 18:25:49 thanks jebba, I'll have a look - have you tried something? Dec 21 18:26:10 anyone know where to get the N-series style loopable wallpaper that is shown in the publicity shots? Dec 21 18:26:11 it's mine Dec 21 18:26:12 like this: Dec 21 18:26:13 http://maemo.nokia.com/features/panorama-desktop/ Dec 21 18:26:25 GAN900: pong Dec 21 18:26:31 nice jebba Dec 21 18:27:06 been looking all over, but can't seem to find them anywhere Dec 21 18:28:31 Jaffa, the h-a-m issue is primarily because it wont replace user/* packages with non user/* packages. Dec 21 18:29:11 jebba, quite nice, having a look at your wiki now - I might join :) I've got my scratchbox environment all up and running Dec 21 18:29:47 Jaffa, the other part is a bug I haven't been able to confirm locally where it wont update said package after it's been replaced using apt. Dec 21 18:29:49 for the timebeing I've just played a bit with some python, I code in c++ but never packed anything for debian .. Dec 21 18:30:23 GAN900: OK, so if a package was ever in user/*, there's no way to get it out again Dec 21 18:30:44 X-Fade: should i assume this job has been killed or something? there have been at least one other job on the same builder after it was submitted: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/wxwidgets2.6_2.6.3.2.2-5/summary.log Dec 21 18:30:44 Does any one know if abook python bindings not available is a known issue ? Dec 21 18:30:46 GAN900: Apart from depends: newpackage and newpackage.postinst does an 'apt-get remove' Dec 21 18:31:11 * GAN900 is of the opinion that since these packages are only in -devel the people installing them can work around it. Dec 21 18:31:41 Jaffa, seeming, although it's not been confirmed very well as far as I can tell. Dec 21 18:32:12 Somebody could check the code check for the section, maybe. . . . Dec 21 18:32:39 jebba: Garage got a reboot around that time to add some more RAM. Dec 21 18:33:50 X-Fade, ah, did you source some bigger PoP's for that N900? :P Dec 21 18:33:57 you need to reboot to add ram? that explains a lot Dec 21 18:34:03 GAN900: Yeah, the 256MB one ;) Dec 21 18:34:14 GAN900: Finally available now. Dec 21 18:35:58 X-Fade: I have just check the Downloads, no, neither of the packages got in Dec 21 18:36:33 jebba: Looks like we will add the new build hardware tomorrow. Should be a lot better. Dec 21 18:36:52 RST38h: Any non-free apps got in there before? Dec 21 18:37:02 X-Fade: Yes Dec 21 18:37:08 RST38h: Ok. Dec 21 18:37:11 X-Fade: MasterGear, SlideRule, ATI85 Dec 21 18:37:19 X-Fade: iNES, VGBA. VGB )since removed) Dec 21 18:37:43 Also, Vulture's is not non-free, javispedro should have pushed the source code through the autobuilder Dec 21 18:38:13 Ah, a lazy bastard ;) Dec 21 18:39:07 me wants pandora package system on maemo Dec 21 18:39:21 hey that's cool. i walked up town with my N900, which obviously disconnected from my wlan and switched to cellular network. i've now come home, looked at the terminal on my mac and found that my SSH session to my N900 still works. I've been gone for over an hour ;) Dec 21 18:39:45 obviously the N900 is back on the wlan now Dec 21 18:39:54 I had some issue using the terminal from my n900, in particular piping, how do you guys do it ? did you remap the arrow keys ? Dec 21 18:40:11 fnordianslip, i get that sometimes when I "freeze" a windows virtual machine connected to my work vpn Dec 21 18:40:13 use the osk, hit Func+Cntrl Dec 21 18:40:17 as i resume, it is still connected :) Dec 21 18:40:20 Func is the blue arrow Dec 21 18:40:21 ssh would only drop if you attempted to send a command through an inactive connection methinks Dec 21 18:40:49 hey crashanddie_mbp Dec 21 18:40:57 crashanddie_mbp: busy busy at work Dec 21 18:41:22 crashanddie_mbp: you in the antipodes yet? Dec 21 18:41:54 Gadgetoid: your probly right. i guess there is no keep alive running on the tcp connection Dec 21 18:42:03 wee, home again) Dec 21 18:46:14 evening Dec 21 18:46:17 back Dec 21 18:46:25 X-Fade: Sorry, the computer shut down Dec 21 18:46:36 X-Fade: Anything changed since I fell off? Dec 21 18:46:49 RST38h: no. not yet. Dec 21 18:48:12 Get your voodoo troubleshooting @ talk.maemo.org! Dec 21 18:48:58 GAN: What again? Dec 21 18:49:20 GAN: Changing themes to get network connection more stable? Dec 21 18:52:14 RST38h, recommended regular reflashing to cure all ills! Dec 21 18:53:44 AndrewBlack: emailed Dec 21 18:53:45 lardman: interesting fact btw, people use supl.google.com instead? Dec 21 18:54:30 really? works the same does it? Dec 21 18:54:46 well someone mentione it earlier in this channel Dec 21 18:54:57 does it update Latitude too though? ;) Dec 21 18:55:08 GAN: Dec 21 18:56:08 fiferboy, thanks Dec 21 18:56:20 AndrewBlack: Do you have an N900 to test on? Dec 21 18:56:22 X-Fade: having troubles scp over new package: "Connection closed by 62.61.85.33" Dec 21 18:56:32 yep, I got a pre release one Dec 21 18:57:26 ooh, crazyparking is in testing? Dec 21 18:57:36 RST38h: Reload Downloads... Dec 21 18:59:58 hmm, anyone know who mikkov is? Dec 21 19:00:26 lardman: sure, the games master. Dec 21 19:00:26 X-Fade: can I upload a later version of a package to replace the one in extras-devel, even if I didn't upload the original? Dec 21 19:00:49 lardman: Yes, although it is bad form ;) Dec 21 19:00:57 I didn't realise Cauldron went back that far, but looks like he uploaded fort77 Dec 21 19:01:05 yeah, ok, will try to contact him first then Dec 21 19:01:11 X-Fade: loading...(30 seconds and counting) Dec 21 19:01:19 X-Fade: thanks :) Dec 21 19:01:21 RST38h: good, goood. Dec 21 19:02:52 X-Fade: Really weird, it seems to have pushed all my apps on top, not just the latest ones Dec 21 19:03:15 Looks like I will have to generate a few screenshots now =) Dec 21 19:03:19 RST38h: They all weren't updated for a long time. Dec 21 19:03:35 RST38h: Since the removal hack when I was on holiday, something broke ;) Dec 21 19:03:50 Oh. Shit. Dec 21 19:03:54 * RST38h thanks X-Fade Dec 21 19:13:30 General question for you guys !!! What can you do with the console on the N900 Dec 21 19:13:32 the terminal Dec 21 19:13:42 rm -rf / Dec 21 19:13:52 and what is it used for lol Dec 21 19:14:04 ah, removes everything Dec 21 19:14:09 gtessier00: If you don't know what you can do with a console, you probably don't need to Dec 21 19:14:20 gtessier00: it's the machine room of a n900. you'll need tools and knowledge how to use it Dec 21 19:14:38 I want to learn how to use it! :) Dec 21 19:14:40 You can do pretty much anything you can do on a normal Unix terminal, use Google if you're interested. Dec 21 19:14:51 I gtessier00: pretty much everything you can do on GNU/Linux one. Dec 21 19:16:12 i don't even know how to use linux, to be honest Dec 21 19:16:32 I use windows 7 but im interested in knowing how to use linux since i ordered the n900 yesterday Dec 21 19:16:58 gtessier00 you are familiar with windows on commandline? Dec 21 19:17:00 gtessier00, don't bother with a book, there are many free guides online Dec 21 19:17:19 gtessier00: I use it mostly for df and dh commands (disk management) , moving©ing with root privileges, xmplayer cli app and package management for instance. Dec 21 19:17:21 fiferboy, Got a question for you I was use py2deb to build Reflect for Joopu can you build it the proper way with Maemo-Display-Name and all for him? Dec 21 19:17:35 really? i thought that linux for dummies was not bad Dec 21 19:18:09 but you can't do all this if you don't use terminal? what is the point of copying and moving with root privileges ? Dec 21 19:18:11 gtessier00: wait until vlc is out. have you ever seen movies rendered in ascii characters? Dec 21 19:18:19 no :) Dec 21 19:18:38 you have to squint a bit :) Dec 21 19:18:42 haha Dec 21 19:18:59 gtessier00: you can use all partitions that way. GUI file manager only shows MyDocs folder. Dec 21 19:19:21 oh i see, that way it can be interesting Dec 21 19:19:54 The status of my N900 is ''ready to ship'' :D Dec 21 19:20:03 priority, i should get it wednesday Dec 21 19:21:28 congrats gtessier00 Dec 21 19:21:37 can't wait to get it :P Dec 21 19:21:58 I currently have an E71 and i am more than satisfied with it, but we can always get better :P Dec 21 19:22:39 Screenshots. Lots of screenshots. Dec 21 19:22:54 hm better saying nothing about the random boots Dec 21 19:23:02 ??? Dec 21 19:23:14 yeah, and the screens Dec 21 19:23:21 with all those hot pixels Dec 21 19:23:26 and the non-working mic Dec 21 19:23:44 well as i know it's under warranty Dec 21 19:23:53 Hmm Dec 21 19:23:54 gtessier00 it might happen that you will not be satisfy with the device Dec 21 19:24:07 why Dec 21 19:24:26 what's the % of bogus devices Dec 21 19:24:35 100! Dec 21 19:24:36 only nokia knows Dec 21 19:24:40 100 :P Dec 21 19:24:43 funny Dec 21 19:24:54 anyway, I got my device 1 week ago, and everything just works =) Dec 21 19:24:59 so its %99.9 Dec 21 19:25:01 thanks for encouraging me Dec 21 19:25:04 not %100 :) Dec 21 19:25:21 anyway if mine doesn't work well i will use warranty and get another one Dec 21 19:25:25 im aware of it Dec 21 19:25:38 its still in development period Dec 21 19:26:00 jo ph5 Dec 21 19:26:15 and i think i have more chances of getting a good one, it's a new batch Dec 21 19:26:21 AndrewBlack: Yup Dec 21 19:26:40 hardware bugs? Dec 21 19:27:02 fiferboy, thanks Dec 21 19:27:34 AndrewBlack: No problem Dec 21 19:28:09 gtessier00: i hope everything goes ok for you too =) Dec 21 19:28:18 AndrewBlack: Are you going to theme the images in the mediaplayer folder, even though they are not in theme maker yet? Dec 21 19:28:43 fiferboy, sooner or later Im considering custom icons as well Dec 21 19:28:55 AndrewBlack: Nice Dec 21 19:29:02 Aranel: getting "wow, cool"'s from your friends? Dec 21 19:29:14 i-max avatar, here I come :) Dec 21 19:29:25 them was designed to be a community project I wanted to get help from other people for things like icons and such and Im going to release the theme in .svg format for others do to with as they want Dec 21 19:29:26 AndrewBlack: I think the "Button.png" from mediaplayer is used in the app manager as well Dec 21 19:29:39 can anyone enlighten me on why adding export http_proxy to /etc/profile cause microB to timeout everytime i try to use the web. I never have such problem with firefox in gnome :S Dec 21 19:29:44 UndrWater: no, mostly "omg let me use it, wow, its REALLY Quake??" :) Dec 21 19:30:04 fiferboy, yeah I think its used by several things Dec 21 19:30:17 HildonFancyButton, I think Dec 21 19:30:54 maemo-org 1.0-2 just got done building should be in extras-devel soon Dec 21 19:31:35 can voting a thread started down to zero count as -1 thanks plelase Dec 21 19:31:41 or one Dec 21 19:32:40 teehee Dec 21 19:36:30 Uploading screenshots...hmm, seems to work this time Dec 21 19:45:33 * RST38h moos at pupnik Dec 21 19:47:56 um Dec 21 19:48:01 am i right in #maemo ? Dec 21 19:48:11 depends. Dec 21 19:49:19 ~seen johnx Dec 21 19:49:37 johnx was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 13h 15m 17s ago, saying: ';)'. Dec 21 19:50:34 ~seen Stskeeps Dec 21 19:50:35 i like this channel, helpful people, thanks a lot Dec 21 19:50:36 stskeeps is currently on #maemo (5h 49s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 1m 14s, last said: '~seen johnx'. Dec 21 19:50:43 ~seen Boobs Dec 21 19:50:44 LuciusMare: i haven't seen 'boobs' Dec 21 19:50:44 he was grinning, the evil one! Dec 21 19:50:50 ;) Dec 21 19:50:55 moo Dec 21 19:51:03 heya woglinde Dec 21 19:51:09 ~seen 'anything' Dec 21 19:51:10 i haven't seen ''anything'', LuciusMare Dec 21 19:51:32 ~seen infobot Dec 21 19:51:35 i haven't seen 'infobot', LuciusMare Dec 21 19:51:39 lol Dec 21 19:53:35 * RST38h just gave mikkov +40 karma =) Dec 21 19:56:39 quick question: Dec 21 19:56:45 where maemo5 stores backups? Dec 21 19:57:45 Backups/ or something Dec 21 19:57:50 on mmc(s) Dec 21 19:58:14 hm there was something in maemo 5 developer guide Dec 21 19:59:05 hrw: ~user/MyDocs/Backup Dec 21 19:59:22 gracias RST38h Dec 21 20:02:04 what was that dune game you were talking about RST38h ? Dec 21 20:02:06 woglinde, /home/user/MyDocs/backups/* Dec 21 20:02:20 hrw|gone, ^ Dec 21 20:04:15 Any debian packaging wizards out there? Dec 21 20:04:27 lcuk yeah I think I read in the fremantle developer guide Dec 21 20:04:31 rst just ask Dec 21 20:04:33 pupnik: Oh, no, I was just discussing a new game wazd would like to develop Dec 21 20:04:33 use cdbs Dec 21 20:04:40 that will make your life easier Dec 21 20:04:43 pupnik: And we had Tremors in mind, not Dune Dec 21 20:05:12 woglinde: How do I say in control file "my package depends on another package with the same version as mine"? Dec 21 20:05:29 I.e. it should probably look like "Depends: libzlibrary (>= ???)" Dec 21 20:05:36 But what do I put for ??? Dec 21 20:05:38 RST38h: if it's in same source package, there's a debhelper thing for it Dec 21 20:05:49 Source-Version or something.. Dec 21 20:06:07 Same source package, yes Dec 21 20:06:52 pupnik: My idea is to have you play as the graboid, then the shrieker, then as the ass blaster Dec 21 20:07:08 rst hm binaryversion or so Dec 21 20:07:10 let me see Dec 21 20:07:12 pupnik: And swallow whatever moves on the ground, including farming equipment Dec 21 20:07:42 hmm, deformable terrain Dec 21 20:07:49 ${Source-Version} Dec 21 20:07:57 ah yeah Dec 21 20:08:57 hdmi is kind of an impressive interface, bandwidth and cable-length wise Dec 21 20:09:11 RST38h he that was easy Dec 21 20:09:28 woglinde: Can I have multiple maintainers in the control file btw? Dec 21 20:10:37 rst dont think so Dec 21 20:10:47 aha Dec 21 20:11:05 BTW, you know that absolutely ugly "equalizer" icon? Dec 21 20:11:11 Is there a way to tell if a package is optified before installing? Dec 21 20:11:12 rst either there is one maintainer in control Dec 21 20:11:12 Looks like it can be replaced ;) Dec 21 20:11:21 and all others are mentioned in changelog Dec 21 20:11:27 * RST38h put himself into changed-By and Uploaders Dec 21 20:11:41 or the Maintainer is grouml adresse Dec 21 20:11:49 woglinde: hey, was messing with bios and such, brought things back up Dec 21 20:11:56 like python-foobal-maintainers@debian.org Dec 21 20:12:05 jebba ah okay Dec 21 20:12:17 I just wanted to start to get navit in Dec 21 20:12:55 though i've been trying for the last few hours to just FUCKSAFDSDkjñsadfñlsdfasdfsda upload something Dec 21 20:13:00 to the build box Dec 21 20:13:08 uh Dec 21 20:13:38 okay I will upload it to my university space Dec 21 20:13:49 for now Dec 21 20:13:50 woglinde: i mean the SDK box is fine Dec 21 20:14:02 the freemoe one, i'm talking about uploading it to garage. Dec 21 20:14:52 that's what's hanging Dec 21 20:14:55 do all wireless PC keyboards suck and miss/repeat keys? Dec 21 20:15:15 pupnik: If its made by crap, yes. Dec 21 20:15:32 woglinde: I assume ${Source-version} does not work in .shlibs files? Dec 21 20:15:40 pupnik: I have zero problems with BT keyboards -- works great. Dec 21 20:15:45 rst hm? Dec 21 20:16:02 isnt .shlibs generated automagicly? Dec 21 20:16:03 pupnik: Try something from Logitech. They usually work quite well. Dec 21 20:16:08 never messed this Dec 21 20:16:16 woglinde: I do not see where it is created Dec 21 20:16:27 hm today I tested qtnx on n900 and didnt work as expected Dec 21 20:16:39 nxproxy dies at some time Dec 21 20:16:44 k thanks - this 'media keyboard' from "Sharkoon" with a trackball in upper right is quite practical, but i have to poke the keys, cant touch type Dec 21 20:17:01 woglinde: did you fix qtnx icon/launcher? Dec 21 20:17:04 and the gui dont has my keyboard and proxy support points Dec 21 20:17:10 pupnik no Dec 21 20:17:23 only saw that I have to promote it Dec 21 20:17:27 k. i have no luck with getting it working now - session idiocy Dec 21 20:17:28 k Dec 21 20:17:29 because of missing user section Dec 21 20:17:38 3.21 MB/s to kernel.org like stalls and hangs to garage Dec 21 20:17:52 nothing in the build queue... i wonder why... Dec 21 20:18:24 hm so now looking in developer guide Dec 21 20:18:27 for icon Dec 21 20:19:19 RST38h: : jesus christ! Pyramid above Kremlin! Dec 21 20:19:41 RST38h: where is Jeff Goldblum with viruses'n'stuff :D Dec 21 20:20:13 pupnik where in the developer guide stands how the .desktop file now have to look? Dec 21 20:20:45 i just look at existing apps for that stuff Dec 21 20:21:03 wazd, its a pyramid, obviously its your mummy thats come to take you away Dec 21 20:21:59 is any of the apps qt or all gtk/hildon ? Is it already possible to write apps targeting fremantle with 4.6 ? Dec 21 20:23:26 MrTratta: mixed Dec 21 20:25:22 wazd: Ah, the pyramid came again? Dec 21 20:25:47 wazd: I am sure it is just RenTV shooting another of those crazy pseudo scientific features =0 Dec 21 20:26:12 RST38h: : no, it's the same Dec 21 20:26:30 RST38h: : aw, that's lame :D Dec 21 20:26:56 wahahaha Dec 21 20:26:56 RST38h: : When we'll get the real thing with exploding buildings, Will Smith and stuff :) Dec 21 20:27:03 why it isnt in the developer guide Dec 21 20:27:35 hm and I now see I never make a package out of my qtnx patch for ssh-proxy and keyboard choosing Dec 21 20:27:36 wazd: You want a giant tarantula or what? Dec 21 20:28:43 wazd: I mean, the place already looks like a diesel punk version of NYC during nuclear winter, how much more grotesque do you want it to be> Dec 21 20:32:38 wazd: ping Dec 21 20:36:34 Corsac: heya Dec 21 20:36:58 wazd: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/maemo/white/ would that fit you? Dec 21 20:37:11 or is it not sharp enough? Dec 21 20:37:25 ping pupnik Dec 21 20:37:35 hi Dec 21 20:37:40 pupnik which category you think qtnx/nx fits? Dec 21 20:37:56 user/desktop or Location & Navigation Location & Navigation Localización y Navegación Locatie en Navigatie Posicionamento e Navegação Posisjon og Navigasjonen Paikannus ja navigointi Posizione e Navigazione Localisation et Navigation Position og Navigation Posicionamento e Navegação Position och Navigation Localisation et Navigation Localización y Navegación Позиционирование и навиг Dec 21 20:38:02 user/networkargs Dec 21 20:38:05 sorry Dec 21 20:38:05 hehe @ paste Dec 21 20:38:28 user/network or user/desktop Dec 21 20:38:35 um wherever vnc is Dec 21 20:38:43 hm Dec 21 20:39:00 good idea Dec 21 20:39:11 Internet and Networking Dec 21 20:39:26 aeh Dec 21 20:39:32 so users/nerwork Dec 21 20:39:35 okay Dec 21 20:39:39 Corsac: : well, you don't need to shoot it in dark Dec 21 20:40:22 yeah, sorry, I don't have much light here :) Dec 21 20:40:35 Corsac: : But I think it's fine, thanks Dec 21 20:41:24 yw Dec 21 20:41:24 http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/developers_should_get_karma_based_on_the_relevance_of_their_software/ community folks, don't miss the karma voting brainstorm Dec 21 20:42:52 Wordpress website has that fucking javascript snow Dec 21 20:43:01 no way Dec 21 20:43:31 hah, any site that does that loses its js privileges Dec 21 20:43:36 Woo, operation failed when opening Camera Dec 21 20:44:32 GAN900: Opening the camera is clearly not a supported operation Dec 21 20:44:47 lol Dec 21 20:46:58 wazd: JavaScript snow has become pretty popular this year. Dec 21 20:47:03 wazd: does it also play midi music? Dec 21 20:47:03 It is really, really annoying. Dec 21 20:47:25 wazd: what do you have against snow?! government officials say they will surely deal with it if it covers all your screen! Dec 21 20:47:45 derf: the best js I have seen was a little gray hedgehog with propeller running around the page and randomly making squeaky sounds every few minutes Dec 21 20:48:13 RST38h: : yeah, and blinking background obviously :D Dec 21 20:48:21 * RST38h was so impressed that he wrote his own js with sheep defecating on the elements Dec 21 20:48:24 =) Dec 21 20:48:51 RST38h: : jeez, you're a monster :D Dec 21 20:49:14 Are we helpless vs the web devs or is there some way to gain more control over javascript in the browser. Dec 21 20:49:31 AndrewBlack, you posted before a big image of a theme, is that actually whats chopped up and used for the theme? Dec 21 20:49:55 lcuk, yep thats the template you use to make themes Dec 21 20:50:03 10000x800 :) Dec 21 20:50:05 lcuk, then theme maker cuts it up for you Dec 21 20:50:13 pupnik: turn it off and forget Dec 21 20:50:38 wazd: proof URL: http://emulation.org/ Dec 21 20:50:45 hey guys :) Dec 21 20:50:46 lcuk, if your interested in theme making I have a .svg of the basic template that is better then png version for editing Dec 21 20:50:57 i've heard about java on maemo Dec 21 20:51:03 do u know anything about it ? Dec 21 20:51:09 RST38h, "squeeky sounds" Dec 21 20:51:21 urg if a website started making noises at me automatically Dec 21 20:51:41 boah, nice domain Dec 21 20:51:47 o_O lag Dec 21 20:52:10 AndrewBlack, im morbidly curious is all Dec 21 20:52:43 lcuk, you know you want to do themes, forget about programming its for losers :) Dec 21 20:53:08 AndrewBlack, ive gotta look @ themes for a different reason Dec 21 20:53:29 guys ? Dec 21 20:53:41 do you upload these source images to garage along with your debs? Dec 21 20:53:54 anpr, no Dec 21 20:54:58 i heard that they are developing opera mini browser Dec 21 20:54:59 lucent, nope theme maker cuts source images apart and makes a source package that has all the small images in it Dec 21 20:55:04 and as i know it requires java Dec 21 20:55:12 something like that =] Dec 21 20:55:26 yes Opera Mini runs on java Dec 21 20:55:30 AndrewBlack, so if someone wants to continue working on your theme they cant? Dec 21 20:55:35 GAN900, you around? Dec 21 20:56:05 lcuk, yeah they can but they would have to work on each image in png format one at a time or I can release my template Dec 21 20:56:22 lcuk, I almost always release my template once Im done with it Dec 21 20:56:28 your template == source code, store it in garage (different to sending to autobuilder) Dec 21 20:56:55 ok, so theres some already? Dec 21 20:57:28 im interested in the whole thing, from source through compilation to a gtk package Dec 21 20:57:42 and to relate stuff it should be like for like Dec 21 20:58:24 power had texture files which put these themes to shame ;) Dec 21 20:58:28 poser Dec 21 21:01:04 GAN: Ok, looks like I may have resolved FBreader dependency thing Dec 21 21:02:18 we need to publish the fremantle theme tools Dec 21 21:02:29 its underway afaik Dec 21 21:02:33 yesss Dec 21 21:02:39 RST38h moo Dec 21 21:02:40 preferably ones that do not involve java =) Dec 21 21:02:43 thememaker has the full template now Dec 21 21:03:00 but the tools and -layout-5 needs to be published Dec 21 21:03:04 lcuk, Theme in maemo is simple just edit that templete you saw, use Theme Maker to Cut it up, it outputs .deb and source then you can use source to make a source package to upload to garage Dec 21 21:03:12 so the debian toolchain can build themes too Dec 21 21:03:28 thememaker does the same thing in java Dec 21 21:03:50 indeed you just paint over that template Dec 21 21:03:53 lcuk, I normally put some of my source templates in the garage. Iḿ going to be putting maemo-org on there this week Dec 21 21:04:04 tigert: Ideally, I would like to have a command line utility that takes template png and creates a deb Dec 21 21:04:06 cool stuff Dec 21 21:04:07 theres a svg also which is imho nicer for editing Dec 21 21:04:12 tigert, thats right thememaker is just the dumbed down easy way to do themes Dec 21 21:04:18 RST38h: hildon-theme-tools Dec 21 21:04:27 already available? Dec 21 21:04:33 RST38h: its just the newest version is not out there Dec 21 21:04:50 ask for it in the list and forums to create pressure :) Dec 21 21:04:54 RST38h, hildon-theme-tools been around since theme hildon has been around Dec 21 21:05:08 got it Dec 21 21:05:09 yes, diablo theme tool and template is out there Dec 21 21:05:14 just not maemo5 Dec 21 21:05:57 tools,layout are out, just not template Dec 21 21:06:21 Stskeeps, isnt it the same template as thememaker? Dec 21 21:06:50 tigert: got a question Dec 21 21:07:11 sure Dec 21 21:07:13 tigert: do you know of a bunch of three icons that I can use to represent music being played? Dec 21 21:07:24 Stskeeps: layout-5 isnt afaik Dec 21 21:07:26 tigert: something tiny, to replace that gaudy equalizer icon Dec 21 21:07:33 layout-4 is for diablo Dec 21 21:08:02 RST38h: a raving guy silhouette would be fun :) Dec 21 21:08:14 but no idea offhand for a pic right now Dec 21 21:08:31 state of the art Dec 21 21:08:35 nothing like that in gnome? Dec 21 21:08:49 https://wiki.collabora.co.uk/N900s/FaveApps Dec 21 21:08:53 damn Dec 21 21:08:57 http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/fedora/12/x86_64/0xFFFF-0.4.0-0jebba.fc12.x86_64.rpm Dec 21 21:09:10 good job i dont c&p dodgy stuff Dec 21 21:09:13 tigert: gitorious Dec 21 21:09:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kuYfTCGLg Dec 21 21:10:58 tigert: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-theme-layout-5 Dec 21 21:11:03 Stskeeps: awesome Dec 21 21:11:09 ok good Dec 21 21:11:11 FBReader-0.10.7-9 going into autobuilder Dec 21 21:11:20 tigert: Maybe you can draw something, quickly? =) Dec 21 21:11:22 now i gotta zZZZ Dec 21 21:11:28 nini tigert Dec 21 21:11:30 RST38h: not right now :) Dec 21 21:11:32 nite Dec 21 21:11:36 tigert: g'night :) Dec 21 21:11:44 gnite tigert Dec 21 21:13:42 hmhm Dec 21 21:13:44 W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/Release No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_Release Dec 21 21:13:48 is that expected? Dec 21 21:13:59 Corsac: Dec 21 21:14:02 samewith me Dec 21 21:14:19 but not allways Dec 21 21:14:24 yesterday Dec 21 21:14:29 extra-devel Dec 21 21:14:36 today maemo-extras Dec 21 21:14:44 how is it possible to have a git commit in the future o_O Dec 21 21:15:28 faketime? Dec 21 21:15:46 and, of course, a time machine. don't you know how to use it? Dec 21 21:15:51 http://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/commits/master Dec 21 21:16:06 lcuk: man at Dec 21 21:16:20 just got a random update from the end of the year Dec 21 21:16:21 hcarrega: hmhm maybe It's sync'ing or something Dec 21 21:16:29 yes Dec 21 21:16:29 now 31st december this year IS a bluemoon Dec 21 21:16:38 i read in talk.maemo Dec 21 21:17:35 Corsac: Dec 21 21:17:46 maybe servers are loaded Dec 21 21:19:12 lcuk: i born in 31st Dec 21 21:22:14 cooooooooooooooooool Dec 21 21:22:20 * RST38h fixed the now-playing icon Dec 21 21:23:49 is there anyway i can make fenec default on N900? Dec 21 21:24:49 Stskeeps: how you doing your autopackaging of mer? (if i understand correctly). Got any scripts to share= Dec 21 21:30:40 Hi Dec 21 21:32:50 hey Dec 21 21:38:35 200912212221 cool timestamp that just occurred heh Dec 21 21:39:25 jebba: no big difference to 2008 Dec 21 21:41:40 hey, anyone want to write an app or three for me? Dec 21 21:41:43 21121221211221 will be something... Dec 21 21:41:59 timeless: Sure... what will you pay? Dec 21 21:42:14 1. search contacts by fields other than name (esp number, company) Dec 21 21:42:31 2. find duplicate contacts Dec 21 21:42:41 3. compare contacts Dec 21 21:42:56 polarfox: 20eur for each Dec 21 21:43:02 lol Dec 21 21:43:02 timeless, those sound like enhancement requests Dec 21 21:43:10 20eur Dec 21 21:43:14 Hurrah! Dec 21 21:43:17 20eur bonus for integrating the three Dec 21 21:43:24 20euro per Dec 21 21:43:24 I replaced that ugly, UGLY now-playing icon! Dec 21 21:43:25 line Dec 21 21:43:26 of Dec 21 21:43:27 code Dec 21 21:43:39 lcuk, that would not be reasonable Dec 21 21:43:41 and probably some other bonuses for accepting further input Dec 21 21:43:56 unless they were multi-line oneliners ;-o Dec 21 21:43:57 Accepting input.. thats not cheap Dec 21 21:44:14 That's like 150e+/line of input :D Dec 21 21:44:16 need bonus per ascii character allowable Dec 21 21:44:30 and double for uppercase Dec 21 21:45:02 I understand the two... but compare contacts? Dec 21 21:45:20 yeah duplication is a big problem Dec 21 21:45:27 i might have a contact "david smith" Dec 21 21:45:35 and a contact "dave smith" Dec 21 21:45:49 i need a way to see if they're the same contact Dec 21 21:45:55 which fields overlap Dec 21 21:45:59 which don't Dec 21 21:46:07 * lcuk has done this before Dec 21 21:46:11 it isn't necessarily a merge Dec 21 21:46:24 because they might be unrelated Dec 21 21:46:24 between different databases and within the same Dec 21 21:47:04 just a way to show the similar ones and let you decide is better - once you decide then you get to conflict resolution and field merging Dec 21 21:47:15 trying it automatically leads to pulling hair and missing data Dec 21 21:47:42 ayup Dec 21 21:48:58 * lcuk remembers the pain of those calcs Dec 21 21:49:26 soundex helps also for typing glitches Dec 21 21:49:37 i should probably note that i'd prefer modular backend support Dec 21 21:49:44 and modular frontend Dec 21 21:50:13 Is there a bounty system for maemo stuff? :) Dec 21 21:50:28 so your ui could be e.g. Qt, but it should be possible to replace Qt w/ clutter or gtk w/o rewriting the logic Dec 21 21:51:04 and if the current contacts db is replaced by a different one, it should be possible to drop in a replacement backend Dec 21 21:53:48 timeless, thats a big optimistic Dec 21 21:53:59 bit* Dec 21 21:54:38 with a ~60-90eur budget.. :P Dec 21 21:55:14 compiling the kernel 2.6.32-omap1: "arch/arm/kernel/unwind.c:34:2: warning: #warning Your compiler is too buggy; it is known to not compile ARM unwind support. Dec 21 21:55:14 " Dec 21 21:55:55 yeah old csl toolchain Dec 21 21:56:22 have a nice xmas everyone - i will be back online in 2010 Dec 21 21:56:44 hrw|gone, have a good time, speak to you next year \o Dec 21 21:56:46 bye hrw Dec 21 21:56:51 Have fun. Dec 21 21:56:55 thx Dec 21 21:57:20 o_O hrw got a time machine Dec 21 21:57:55 yeah, but can he go *back* in time? Dec 21 21:58:15 hes gone to the future and is at this moment using maemo8 Dec 21 21:59:05 nokia will switch to android Dec 21 21:59:15 of course Dec 21 21:59:27 And google will take over the world Dec 21 21:59:33 and n810s will be worth more than gold Dec 21 21:59:59 Nokia has done such wonders in service front that software development can be thrown away. Dec 21 22:00:15 you're delusional Dec 21 22:00:29 balls am i Dec 21 22:00:37 "computer, id like a piece of software which....." Dec 21 22:01:01 stick your tiny stand up a monkeys bum! Dec 21 22:01:36 go get a coprocessor... slowie slow slow! Dec 21 22:01:58 pffff... learn how to page in fbreader noob Dec 21 22:02:14 hihihi nice package name Dec 21 22:02:16 0.2.0~svn2865+dfsg.1-1maemo1 Dec 21 22:02:26 sheesh Dec 21 22:03:03 the n900 is too small Dec 21 22:03:37 but it has a much softer keyboard that ends up being easier to type on Dec 21 22:04:11 How many people here had a bogus N900 at least once? (Mic not functionning, random reboots all time, etc...) Dec 21 22:04:27 ive never seen a bogus n900 Dec 21 22:04:33 mine's perfect Dec 21 22:04:48 mine is ok Dec 21 22:04:49 its got the crappy kickstand bug though Dec 21 22:04:56 * mikhas raises hand Dec 21 22:05:06 crappy kickstand bug ? :P Dec 21 22:05:21 gah i hate how the ui in xhat wastes so much space... its better on the n810 by miles Dec 21 22:05:46 yeah the stand on the n900 is a horrible pointless piece of crapola Dec 21 22:05:59 I'm trying to upload my first package to extras-devel. The problem is: It is a python program together with a kernel module. What is the "source package"? Should I rather upload the kernel module separately? Dec 21 22:06:01 until you get on a train or plane and want to watch a movie Dec 21 22:06:04 well the only time ill use it is in the plane once per year Dec 21 22:06:24 * lcuk watches often Dec 21 22:06:46 :D Dec 21 22:07:07 hey lcuk Dec 21 22:07:13 hey lbt Dec 21 22:07:15 lcuk, I'd hold it Dec 21 22:07:31 * lbt abandonded his car and walked 3 miles home in the snow earlier... Dec 21 22:07:39 cripes lbt! Dec 21 22:07:39 johnq: the kernel module should be its own package Dec 21 22:07:39 with mrs lbt Dec 21 22:07:39 eww that sucks Dec 21 22:07:45 at least you didnt abandon your n900 Dec 21 22:07:47 poor n900 Dec 21 22:08:06 three miles?! that's like ten minutes of walking, sheesh. how did you do that? Dec 21 22:08:12 LOL Dec 21 22:08:36 sorry, it's just too funny to mock people who rarely see snow :) Dec 21 22:08:37 n900 was cold though Dec 21 22:08:37 how the hell did trains break down in a fucking tunnel due to snow.... Dec 21 22:08:50 its a fucking tunnel! Dec 21 22:08:57 heh 19" summer tyres and snow Dec 21 22:09:07 Hi guys. Dec 21 22:09:07 19'' Dec 21 22:09:08 285/45 iirc Dec 21 22:09:10 timeless: ok, so any idea where to start? ;-) Dec 21 22:09:11 lbt joggler, os by default? Dec 21 22:09:11 hallo dimir Dec 21 22:09:23 kinda low grip Dec 21 22:09:24 johnq_: so, do you understand what a source package should do? Dec 21 22:09:32 I get dpkg build error: Dec 21 22:09:34 roughly, a source package should have the sources and a debian/rules file Dec 21 22:09:35 dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} Dec 21 22:09:35 dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} Dec 21 22:09:35 dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version} Dec 21 22:09:41 What could be the problem? Dec 21 22:09:48 timeless: not really but I assume that dpkg_buildpackage is supposed to build a binary package from it... Dec 21 22:09:48 the debian/rules file should build the kernel module Dec 21 22:09:55 ok Dec 21 22:10:04 lcuk: not looked yet.... but the standard joggler frontend runs in Mer Dec 21 22:10:06 johnq_: dpkg-buildpackage calls debian/rules Dec 21 22:10:10 dpkg-buildpackage last messages: http://pastebin.org/67526 Dec 21 22:10:13 yeah Dec 21 22:10:17 lbt so its a linux? Dec 21 22:10:22 oh yes Dec 21 22:10:27 * lcuk smiles Dec 21 22:10:35 The variables in control stopped evaluating all of a sudden. Dec 21 22:10:41 It has been working for months. Dec 21 22:10:41 I'd get one - at £99 they're a steal Dec 21 22:10:43 whats the sdk for it? Dec 21 22:10:48 Mer Dec 21 22:10:51 I'm using sbox. Dec 21 22:10:52 Dec 21 22:11:00 timeless_mbp: and the data part of the package then contains only one file, namely the module, right? Dec 21 22:11:03 they are about to release one I think Dec 21 22:11:03 i mean by default if people wanted one with default os Dec 21 22:11:08 nothing yet Dec 21 22:11:11 johnq_: yep Dec 21 22:11:21 ill have to see whats what when it arrives Dec 21 22:11:21 I have even reinstalled a target in sbox and checked out the sources of the package to a separate dir. Dec 21 22:11:23 it's O2 - it'll suck and you'll have to pay and .... and.... Dec 21 22:11:25 Still the same problem. Dec 21 22:11:25 assuming that's all it takes for the kernel to be magically usable Dec 21 22:11:27 mhmh, maemo mapper from extra-devel seems not to displqy anything is the gps info tab while it seems I have a fix Dec 21 22:11:34 lbt well if the front end runs Dec 21 22:11:36 And it works like a charm at other users using same target, same sources. Dec 21 22:11:38 it means allis not lost Dec 21 22:11:57 not at all - they work well together Dec 21 22:11:59 do i write in purple? Dec 21 22:12:00 lbt: swath/swathe ? Dec 21 22:12:10 the problem is that O2 will want to wall the garden Dec 21 22:12:22 a swath, cut a swathe I think Dec 21 22:12:28 timeless_mbp: so the idea is to download the official kernel source package, patch some source files, patch the build process and that should be it, right? Dec 21 22:12:40 any tried running pulseaudio from x-terminal? Dec 21 22:13:22 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228125 sounds like half an answer for shlibs: Dec 21 22:13:34 johnq_: eww, you're patching the kernel sources? Dec 21 22:13:42 timeless_mbp: yes Dec 21 22:13:47 typically you'd depend on a package that provides the kernel sources Dec 21 22:13:56 timeless_mbp: i'm adding a backport of squashfs 4.0 Dec 21 22:15:37 So, if someone could help, here is the description of a problem: http://pastebin.org/67528 Dec 21 22:15:39 johnq_: do you need the sources or just the kernel headers? Dec 21 22:16:45 dimir: any chance you're using windows? Dec 21 22:16:52 timeless_mbp: Perhaps the kernel headers would do, I should try that. I actually just applied some patch that is supposed to work on the full sources, modfied .config, built modules and grabbed this single modules from the compilation result. Dec 21 22:16:56 cr/lf issue? Dec 21 22:17:30 hope I didn't miss anything, was watching Solaris Dec 21 22:17:32 night all Dec 21 22:21:04 dimir: find what you upgraded perhaps Dec 21 22:23:06 lbt: no, scratchbox, maemo. Dec 21 22:23:23 pupnik: I tried, but could not get anything. Dec 21 22:23:29 zouizoui Dec 21 22:23:45 pupnik: the strange thing is, we are working in a team and everyone uses the same env/same source package. Dec 21 22:24:17 pupnik: I have created a new target in scratchbox, got the sources from repo and it still doesn't work. :-D Dec 21 22:24:21 This is getting funny. Dec 21 22:25:01 dimir, full console log including the initial dpkg line and everything Dec 21 22:25:03 So I guess I need a good Debian packager help. Dec 21 22:25:07 into pastebin.ca Dec 21 22:25:39 * lcuk missed you already did! Dec 21 22:25:48 well, some Dec 21 22:25:50 Well, if that helps. :-) Dec 21 22:25:53 Some ye. Dec 21 22:26:05 Not enough? Dec 21 22:26:13 I ran: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. Dec 21 22:26:23 hi, somehow I have only 5.8M free space on device (n900), rootfs 227.5M 217.5M 5.8M 97% / , can anyone check for me his own disk usage? Dec 21 22:26:30 zs: reboot Dec 21 22:26:58 zs: something is often wacky, and a reboot often clears up several tens of meg - if you've been installing stuff. no, I've no idea why, and it shouldn't do this Dec 21 22:27:11 lemme see Dec 21 22:27:22 ok I will try Dec 21 22:27:44 paganism on the increase.... *choke* Dec 21 22:27:59 rootfs 227.8M 191.2M 32.4M 86% / Dec 21 22:28:24 * SpeedEvil spins widdershins. Dec 21 22:28:37 * SpeedEvil is not skyclad - it being 4.5C in here. Dec 21 22:29:31 * gtessier00 now knows how to write in purple. yay. seriously. Dec 21 22:29:43 ok now I have rootfs 227.5M 180.1M 43.3M 81% / Dec 21 22:29:47 thanks Dec 21 22:29:57 zs: were you installing from extras-devel? Dec 21 22:30:04 or what have you tried installing? Dec 21 22:30:05 yes Dec 21 22:30:59 timeless_mbp: are the packages kernel-headers and linux-kernel-headers two different things? Dec 21 22:31:09 * lcuk unlocks achievements Dec 21 22:31:11 dunno offhand Dec 21 22:31:15 did you check mxr.maemo.org? Dec 21 22:31:24 * SpeedEvil unlocks the farted 14 days in a row achievement. Dec 21 22:31:36 SpeedEvil, I have tested some apps from extras-devel, now I am learning how to write software Dec 21 22:31:46 zs: Great! Dec 21 22:31:55 timeless_mbp: i'm following the Maemo Kernel and Debugging Guide on the wiki, and there it is assumed that there is something in /usr/src/kernel-headers, but /usr/src is empty in my scratchbox. Dec 21 22:31:57 lcuk: added list of some packages installed: http://pastebin.org/67530 Dec 21 22:32:30 johnq_: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/debian/control Dec 21 22:32:34 dimir, why dont you clearly just post the console log from you starting the command to the end Dec 21 22:32:49 lcuk: OK, just a sec... Dec 21 22:32:55 according to that, they're built by the same source package Dec 21 22:32:57 in the order its in, because then someone reading it doesnt have to think, they are used to seeing errors displayed in that way Dec 21 22:33:33 btw Is there any way to get rid of this annoying message that nokia has not created this software and auto tick "I understand and agree." ? Dec 21 22:34:16 zs: you can replace it Dec 21 22:34:22 do you use American English or British English? Dec 21 22:34:36 British English Dec 21 22:35:28 timeless_mbp: so do these packages exist in some repository? Dec 21 22:35:40 johnq_: given that mxr.maemo.org has them, yes Dec 21 22:35:50 because mxr.maemo.org is generated by apt-get source :) Dec 21 22:36:02 ok :-) Dec 21 22:37:09 odd Dec 21 22:37:13 i can't find the sources.list file Dec 21 22:37:19 it's typically in the root directory of my repos Dec 21 22:40:43 hm intressting I should add XSBC-Original-Maintainer, but the field isnt used Dec 21 22:40:55 lcuk: http://pastebin.org/67534 Dec 21 22:41:35 woot, scapy seems to run fine Dec 21 22:41:57 now I just need to build an ipv6 kernel Dec 21 22:44:20 dimir, your error looks to be lines 535, rather than the warnings further up Dec 21 22:47:56 timeless_mbp: thanks. it's almost done :-) Dec 21 22:50:22 is camera-ui open source? Dec 21 22:55:05 Corsac injection ipv6 packets? Dec 21 22:59:54 What does alias supposed to have in bugzilla? Dec 21 23:00:00 is* Dec 21 23:00:13 woglinde: for example Dec 21 23:00:37 hm I need to compile for i386 to let it run in hildonize gui? Dec 21 23:18:31 lcuk: this file gets generated. I have proper entry in control file. The error is the result of the warnings. Dec 21 23:19:16 > grep binary:Version debian/control Dec 21 23:19:34 Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, mypackage (= ${binary:Version}) Dec 21 23:19:42 > sed -n '6p' debian/groovemail-dbg/DEBIAN/control Dec 21 23:19:42 Depends: groovemail (= ) Dec 21 23:20:26 # Dec 21 23:20:26 dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/mypackage-dbg/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `mypackage-dbg': Dec 21 23:20:26 # Dec 21 23:20:26 `Depends' field, reference to `mypackage': error in version: version string is empty Dec 21 23:20:26 # Dec 21 23:20:27 dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 Dec 21 23:20:36 note, it says version string is empty Dec 21 23:21:43 which is where the warning came from Dec 21 23:21:57 * lcuk sees the first 2 errors every time Dec 21 23:22:03 without consequence Dec 21 23:25:15 # Dec 21 23:25:15 dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/mypackage-dbg/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `mypackage-dbg': Dec 21 23:25:15 # Dec 21 23:25:15 `Depends' field, reference to `mypackage': error in version: version string is empty Dec 21 23:25:15 # Dec 21 23:25:16 dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 Dec 21 23:25:27 Several packages fail saying "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version}". This is because maemo's dpkg is 1.13.13, and ${binary:Version} was introduced in dpkg 1.13.19. Etch's is currently at 1.13.22. Dec 21 23:25:34 even grrrrr @ paste fail Dec 21 23:26:38 hm Dec 21 23:26:47 hihi Dec 21 23:27:00 good you dont fill the autobuilder Dec 21 23:27:32 lol hi woglinde Dec 21 23:29:40 hrms Dec 21 23:29:40 * lcuk is way past bedtime anyway, gnite \o Dec 21 23:30:01 anyone knows how to mount sshfs with mapping uid? Dec 21 23:30:04 Well, this is why I have listed the packages installed: Dec 21 23:30:07 ii dpkg 1.15.4.1+maemo4+0m6 Dec 21 23:30:40 I know about change Source:Version -> binary:Version Dec 21 23:31:10 ah found it Dec 21 23:31:13 And this has worked for months, before something, and I can't realize what, came in. Dec 21 23:31:35 debhelper 7 is cool Dec 21 23:32:39 "Both parties tried very hard to be as slow as possible and finally Nokia lost temper in this snail race" - Fanoush haaahahaha :-) Dec 21 23:33:11 so uploading imlib now Dec 21 23:33:13 args Dec 21 23:33:20 section i need to adjust Dec 21 23:34:58 lol Dec 21 23:35:05 user/navigation (Location &) Navigation maemo-mapper, Navit Dec 21 23:35:16 mapper has seciton user/other Dec 21 23:38:16 tss. Dec 21 23:41:58 hell. i lost nogravity source/data. Dec 21 23:51:15 * Arkenoi wonders if this thing is real: http://cgi.ebay.ca/High-Capacity-1700mAh-BL-5J-Battery-Nokia-5800-5800XM_W0QQitemZ390068277375QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item5ad1e1907f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_4951wt_1028 Dec 21 23:51:43 It is almost certainly a battery shaped object Dec 21 23:52:43 Arkenoi: theres a thread on t.m.o about them Dec 21 23:53:18 buy one, try it. Dec 21 23:53:29 Worst case is it catches light, and burns off your genitals. Dec 21 23:54:09 i purchased chinese "1200" mA*H BLB-2 batteries (original one is 700). Looks like it really lasts 1.5 times longer, maybe not expected 1200 but more than 1000 certainly Dec 21 23:54:13 We don't however need pics. Dec 21 23:54:30 Arkenoi: where did you get those? Dec 21 23:54:36 It'll depend on what drain somewhat Dec 21 23:54:37 so i will try Dec 21 23:54:43 thresh: from ebay Dec 21 23:54:45 though even cheap li-ion have gotten lots cheaper Dec 21 23:56:38 and i had some bad experience as well - a eee pc battery with almost half of the cells being defective Dec 21 23:57:00 I love it when Windows users start giving long-term advice about a device they've had for a month Dec 21 23:57:11 "I'm aiming at reflashing every 6 months or so" Dec 21 23:57:12 nokia bp5l is available for reasonable cost Dec 21 23:57:54 so far i purchased several cheap batteries on the ebay and one on the local market Dec 21 23:58:21 err Dec 21 23:58:31 though even cheap li-ion have gotten lots better Dec 21 23:58:46 There are also things you can do in some cases. Dec 21 23:58:50 argh Dec 21 23:58:52 Like putting bathroom deodorant in a mercedes. Dec 21 23:58:58 4 from ebay were OK, one was not as good as expected but still cheaper than original one and still having more capacity and one from the local market was pure piece of shit (no surprise if you know russian sellers habits) Dec 21 23:59:03 If you charge the battery to 90% only - it lasts _significantly_ longer Dec 21 23:59:05 somehow my debian/rules does not generate a debian/files file Dec 21 23:59:56 and one from ebay was defective, not intentionally phony like the later one, just broken Dec 22 00:00:34 last one Dec 22 00:01:08 last one Dec 22 00:04:09 gpodder developer deserves lots of credit for responsiveness and updates Dec 22 00:04:33 pupnik: http://eatliver.com/img/2009/5162.jpg Dec 22 00:04:52 GAN900: ^ Dec 22 00:05:04 heh Dec 22 00:05:27 Stupid graphics when a table would work better-- Dec 22 00:05:38 SpeedEvil: read until the end Dec 22 00:06:38 \i killed it as it was taking ages to load Dec 22 00:06:39 my Dec 22 00:06:47 DSL is being arsey again Dec 22 00:09:50 Har har har Dec 22 00:16:52 has anyone installed asterisk on their n900? Dec 22 00:18:24 GAN900: have you grabbed my splash package? Dec 22 00:18:31 * timeless_mbp thinks it's ready to push to extras Dec 22 00:20:23 jadams jebba has Dec 22 00:20:31 because he uploaded it Dec 22 00:26:35 woglinde, fair :) I just installed it. I have no idea what I will do with it. I was going to ask for suggestions from my friend that runs a VOIP consulting company, but he's headed to canada right now so I'm all eager for ideas and completely blank, myself Dec 22 00:27:47 jadams than read the tutorials Dec 22 00:27:53 for asterisk Dec 22 00:28:25 woglinde, oh I'm familiar with asterisk in general...I just have no decent ideas for the phone w/r/t asterisk, which feels silly Dec 22 00:28:40 lol Dec 22 00:28:56 build an automatic answerer Dec 22 00:29:05 that was one szenario Dec 22 00:30:10 that's a good idea. I have a crazy ex girlfriend and I miss the android 'send this caller directly to voicemail' feature Dec 22 00:30:24 hehe Dec 22 00:30:42 good I have crazy ex girlfriend Dec 22 00:34:31 yayyyyyyyyy confirmation from fedex Dec 22 00:34:38 N900 coming tomorrow before 17h00 :D Dec 22 00:35:43 njsf is away: I'm not here right now Dec 22 00:45:46 congrats...nervous? Dec 22 01:09:21 hi Dec 22 01:09:30 got some problems with the application manager on N900 Dec 22 01:09:59 it's not showing up any packages at all Dec 22 01:10:23 Getting an Operation failed error Dec 22 01:13:19 Venomrush: perhaps / filled up? Dec 22 01:13:59 Venomrush: tap the title area Dec 22 01:14:00 tap log Dec 22 01:14:07 i think you'll find that the repository is hosed Dec 22 01:15:39 hm time on autobuilder is wrong Dec 22 01:15:50 5 minutes in the future Dec 22 01:16:13 bah, why doesn't the tablet wake up when I pull out the pen? Dec 22 01:16:25 nomis: that would be nice. Dec 22 01:16:39 it feels so obvious. Dec 22 01:16:49 nomis: I'd also - if we're doing that - like it if you pulled out the stylus, and put it in backwards, it'd act like a mouse Dec 22 01:17:00 nomis: Basically - as with everything - it's cost. Dec 22 01:17:00 nomis: you want another messy magnet? Dec 22 01:17:24 okay time to sleep Dec 22 01:17:30 more uploads tomorrow Dec 22 01:17:31 nomis: The stylus sensor will need perhaps 4mm^3 of space, and perhaps $.15 cost. Dec 22 01:17:44 nomis: $.30 on the price Dec 22 01:18:38 There are about 8-10 things I can think of that would be 'just a little more' Dec 22 01:19:21 yeah, thats always the problem. Dec 22 01:19:24 For example - compass - that's perhaps $5 in volume, gyroscope - $8, stylus sensor, better kickstand, better front camera. Dec 22 01:19:35 drop the bad front facing camera :) Dec 22 01:19:36 USB host Dec 22 01:19:48 more area on the front face sensitive Dec 22 01:19:51 AndrewBlack: the calendar widget show white text on white Dec 22 01:20:40 That's not even getting into a replacement back with a better camera :) Dec 22 01:20:57 how remove ctrl-i binding from xchat? Dec 22 01:21:03 The camera is in principle replacable and upgradable - it's socketd Dec 22 01:21:36 SpeedEvil: the big camera in the back? Dec 22 01:21:50 yes Dec 22 01:22:15 in principle however - doesn't mean that it's ever going to be practical to do so Dec 22 01:22:40 yeah. Dec 22 01:22:52 * timeless_mbp chuckles Dec 22 01:22:54 The camera could have done with some more design. Dec 22 01:23:18 Tweak the chrome around the edge of the bezel, so it doesn't reflect flash into the camera Dec 22 01:23:59 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4194615579/ Dec 22 01:24:33 or the LED radiation patterns Dec 22 01:24:41 i havent had that problem Dec 22 01:24:57 maybe it's only on some units Dec 22 01:25:07 it's going to be very sensitive to the exact height of the camera Dec 22 01:26:32 Venomrush: i have the same problem actually. guess extras-testing died Dec 22 01:26:53 hmm Dec 22 01:26:57 maybe it was a finger Dec 22 01:27:56 hmm. i need a breadboard with a better power supply Dec 22 01:28:15 this 9v battery wire keeps coming loose Dec 22 01:28:33 put out a really big stocking? Dec 22 01:30:37 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jldugger/4204342819/sizes/l/ Dec 22 01:30:46 pwnguin, can't even view applications I installed on the phone though Dec 22 01:30:46 no blue glare Dec 22 01:31:19 pwnguin: ah Dec 22 01:31:22 Venomrush: nobody said it was a GOOD interface to apt Dec 22 01:31:36 pwnguin: thinking about it - it's reflecting the light from above into the camera, not the LED Dec 22 01:31:43 heh Dec 22 01:31:55 solution: stop using blue plastic? Dec 22 01:31:57 Error occurred while processing freeciv-data Dec 22 01:32:13 The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Dec 22 01:32:55 Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_non-free_binary-armel_Packages Dec 22 01:33:13 Venomrush: you familiar with the terminal and apt? Dec 22 01:33:46 pwnguin: blue plastic? Dec 22 01:33:55 SpeedEvil: the lens cover Dec 22 01:34:18 its black on top, and blue around the edge Dec 22 01:35:50 pwnguin: it's not the lens cover Dec 22 01:35:57 pwnguin: it's the light reflecting off the chrome Dec 22 01:41:46 SpeedEvil: i guess i dont understand how the physics you're implying could work Dec 22 01:42:13 light from the above the camera reflects off the bezel? Dec 22 01:42:16 chrome bezel Dec 22 01:42:23 yes Dec 22 01:42:40 actually, I should test that. Dec 22 01:43:16 in that picture, the camera is facing down Dec 22 01:43:28 the bezel is already 45 degree sloping Dec 22 01:43:35 people who use a flash on a phone shouldn't be allowed to take pictures in the first place Dec 22 01:44:04 its good for redeye Dec 22 01:44:18 flash causes redeye, lol Dec 22 01:44:34 true i guess Dec 22 01:44:47 flash on 90% of P&S sucks, 50% of DSLR have a sucky flash anyway Dec 22 01:44:49 pwnguin: I'm unsure now - it may be a finger - I need to recreate the original photo Dec 22 01:45:04 Fun hack. Dec 22 01:45:26 If you can blur your view of the camera when looking at it - so that the lens and the flash blur into one. Dec 22 01:45:28 http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/ Dec 22 01:45:40 Then the redeye goes up by a factor of several hundred Dec 22 01:45:51 (when being photographed) Dec 22 01:46:10 oh - neat - I requested it be added a couple of weeks back Dec 22 01:46:27 9th of all nokia hmm Dec 22 01:46:46 you could identify redeye using a diff of flash and non flash Dec 22 01:46:51 anybody with extras-testing enabled having an update problem? Dec 22 01:47:20 archebyte: seems like topicbait Dec 22 01:48:26 yea.. sorry.. not sure what is going on. App Manager doesn't want to co-operate anymore.. Dec 22 01:49:14 I received a bug report mentioning that my application is not properly optified. Anyone would have some time to test it on N900? Dec 22 01:49:39 More information here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/tomotko/0.11.2-9/ Dec 22 01:49:40 fureddo: sure. which app? Dec 22 01:49:43 * SpeedEvil finds http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/3995942376/ Dec 22 01:49:54 (the account) Dec 22 01:51:10 SpeedEvil: do you know how to enable the "taken with camera n900"? Dec 22 01:51:17 pwnguin: / Dec 22 01:51:18 ? Dec 22 01:51:25 exif data Dec 22 01:51:27 fureddo: the app looks optified Dec 22 01:51:30 just don't strip off exif Dec 22 01:51:41 pwnguin: it's on by default Dec 22 01:51:41 the 'upload to flickr' just works for me Dec 22 01:51:42 im not sure where i turned that on at =/ Dec 22 01:52:57 crashanddie_mbp: i think i remember seeing a strip exif stuff, but cant find it to check now =/ Dec 22 01:53:24 maybe its a flickr thing Dec 22 01:53:26 "Don't mess with options unless you know what they do" comes to mind Dec 22 01:53:33 i know what it does Dec 22 01:53:50 it just seemed like a good idea at the time Dec 22 01:53:50 pwnguin: get exiftool from repo Dec 22 01:54:00 pwnguin: check that you have exif data Dec 22 01:54:05 I think it's in tools Dec 22 01:54:16 pwnguin: I thought exactly the same thing when my first kid was born Dec 22 01:54:23 archebyte, Thanks. I thought so. Maybe the person who reported this bug was using a different version then. Dec 22 01:54:49 archebyte, I will investigate further. Dec 22 01:55:18 fureddo: yea.. almost all the non-share/doc files are in opt.. Dec 22 01:55:55 ok, its a flickr setting, not a phone setting Dec 22 01:55:56 archebyte, Here is the bug report: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2918606&group_id=181531&atid=897575 Dec 22 01:55:58 right now, there is a bigger problem in extras-testing.. Dec 22 01:56:18 i must have been recalling the geotagging option Dec 22 01:57:22 archebyte, How much space does the toMOTko application take in the root partition? Dec 22 01:58:57 fureddo: very little Dec 22 01:59:17 archebyte, Nothing close to 6 MB? Dec 22 01:59:19 There is something screwy Dec 22 01:59:29 many people report freed space after a reboot Dec 22 01:59:35 fureddo: right.. I would say < 20K Dec 22 01:59:51 archebyte, Ok. Must be a different version then. Dec 22 02:00:46 fureddo: PM Dec 22 02:08:35 xchat channel list should be like kmplayer list Dec 22 02:08:58 also it should place channels with pms at top Dec 22 02:10:26 lol. Dec 22 02:11:16 it is probably impossible without all new gui? Dec 22 02:11:43 what is funny? Dec 22 02:11:50 channels with PMS Dec 22 02:11:56 fits so many channels. Dec 22 02:12:06 oh private messages to me Dec 22 02:12:15 channels can't have PMs Dec 22 02:12:17 oh Dec 22 02:12:19 i miss them in xchat because Dec 22 02:12:27 speedevil. hi Dec 22 02:12:27 you mean comments directed at you Dec 22 02:12:32 yes sorry Dec 22 02:12:35 they go blue Dec 22 02:12:38 the channel name Dec 22 02:12:39 ManuelSE: im pretty sure xchat can do channel bar on the side Dec 22 02:12:50 it can, I have it setup like that on my n900 Dec 22 02:12:58 only room for 7 channels Dec 22 02:13:04 on side Dec 22 02:13:10 ah, no scrolling Dec 22 02:13:17 well, use irssi like a man :P Dec 22 02:13:21 ManuelSE: you know about the zoom buttons to scroll? Dec 22 02:13:29 scroll window Dec 22 02:13:49 my irssi machine is in maintenance because the crazy kids have been reworking udev Dec 22 02:14:07 I mean switch channels Dec 22 02:14:39 ah Dec 22 02:14:46 this helps Dec 22 02:15:17 I want to be able to do like I have python setup to do. Dec 22 02:15:31 which is have the tabs with two-letter aliases for the channel names Dec 22 02:15:33 err Dec 22 02:15:34 pidgin Dec 22 02:16:11 is xchat difficult to build? Dec 22 02:16:32 maybe i can implement my channel sort on pm/nick Dec 22 02:19:06 maybe. Dec 22 02:19:09 dunno. Dec 22 02:19:20 Making scroll draggy would be nice too Dec 22 02:24:16 can just that one element be xonverted to hildonscrollylist? Dec 22 02:36:13 has anyone flashed their device using the 3.5 flasher? Dec 22 02:36:25 n900, that is Dec 22 02:39:05 man i am sure glad i figured out my little vpn problem Dec 22 02:39:07 this is great hehe Dec 22 02:40:49 djcaston, probably thousands of people. Dec 22 02:41:28 i was wondering if there were any differences between the global and the US firmware Dec 22 02:41:39 noticeable differences that is Dec 22 02:42:51 wow. uploading 7MB over a tethered phone via a vpn samba share Dec 22 02:43:03 * Macer goes to eat a whole dinner and will be back later and come back and wait on it Dec 22 02:44:28 * gtessier00 is gonna receive his N900 tomorrow before 17h Dec 22 02:44:41 djcaston, where are you located? Dec 22 02:54:00 us Dec 22 02:54:11 why do you ask Dec 22 02:56:03 gtessier00: please don't repeat it until 1700 Dec 22 02:56:12 gtessier00: announcing it once was enough, seriously Dec 22 02:56:37 gtessier00: also, announcing a local time in a multi-cultural and geographically diverse channel is pretty self-defeating Dec 22 02:57:26 and I'm utterly amazed at the complexity of the previous sentence after drinking so heavily and it being 4AM **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 22 02:59:56 2009