**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 24 02:59:57 2009 Dec 24 03:01:57 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 24 03:02:01 remind me to shoot someone? Dec 24 03:02:27 the images app will show a message even if the window for images is not "open" Dec 24 03:14:14 timeless_mbp: I would be on 51.1... but... :) Dec 24 03:14:48 Kills me that each time I get to really sink my teeth into filing bugs, one thing or another ends up getting in the way. Dec 24 03:15:09 Dead N900 now, not having the updated Summit firmware last time. Dec 24 03:15:20 :( Dec 24 03:17:11 zerojay, really dead ? Dec 24 03:17:25 VDVsx: Well, dead as in I can't charge via USB. Dec 24 03:17:31 ah Dec 24 03:17:37 i'm reading contradictary reports about GLUT and Maemo 5. there seems to be a package vacuum of libgl-dev, freeglut-dev and mesag-dev (all replaced by a missing package). Dec 24 03:17:38 VDVsx: Same problem Texrat had. Dec 24 03:17:45 what provides glu.h these days, if at all? Dec 24 03:17:59 zerojay, broken connector ? Dec 24 03:18:08 is it necessary to replace glut calls entirely with GLES2 equivalents? Dec 24 03:19:04 args apt-get install gdb dont works on n900 Dec 24 03:19:07 VDVsx: Yeah, except that in my case there was no violent drops or handling. The connection just steadily got worse without me realizing it. The N900 sometimes seemed to not realize it was plugged in... I thought it was a software issue, but it got worse until the port just was loose inside the N900 casing. Dec 24 03:19:47 okay good nite Dec 24 03:20:31 zerojay, ouch Dec 24 03:20:55 zerojay: ripped usb connector of board Dec 24 03:21:49 if I shake mine, I can hear a sound from the connector, seems loose :( Dec 24 03:21:57 julianoliver: most opengl apps will not run on opengles without heavy modification Dec 24 03:22:03 pupnik: Yeah... seems like the port holds onto the cable too tightly and it gets worse and worse over time. Dec 24 03:22:20 VDVsx: Yeah, I heard that too about a week before mine failed. Dec 24 03:22:55 What really kills me about it is that I purposely was REALLY careful about inserting and removing the cable for this exact reason. Dec 24 03:23:09 same here VDVsx - but i tripped over the cable and sent device flying Dec 24 03:23:16 And I still have no response from Nokia since I e-mailed them about it during Barcelona. Dec 24 03:23:26 pupnik: does one need to reimplement glut (and therefore glu first..)? Dec 24 03:23:39 reimplementing glut itself wouldn't be too hard, but glu? eww.. Dec 24 03:23:44 zerojay: this is through DDP? Dec 24 03:23:56 zerojay, email them again after Jan 8 :D Dec 24 03:23:58 julianoliver: a typical opengl1.2 application needs to be rewritten Dec 24 03:24:06 ugh Dec 24 03:24:34 pupnik: thanks for the clarification. Dec 24 03:25:00 i am just summarizing the articles i've read on it. for accuracy, go elsewhere :) Dec 24 03:25:20 will do ;) Dec 24 03:25:47 * timeless_mbp frowns Dec 24 03:26:05 can someone enable extras-testing and go to games and select battlegeweled for me? Dec 24 03:26:11 tap details Dec 24 03:26:16 how many tabs do you get? Dec 24 03:26:42 i have extras-devel so i might get the wrong version? Dec 24 03:26:58 timeless_mbp: No, this was a Fremantle Stars device, pre-Summit giveaway. Dec 24 03:27:39 VDVsx: Getting that "you're gonna help us test 51.1!" e-mail today felt like salt in the wound. Heh. Dec 24 03:29:08 zerojay, did you replied to that email ? "I can't bla bla Dec 24 03:29:59 VDVsx: Yeah, I replied to give them a reminder that I haven't heard back from them about this situation at all yet. Dec 24 03:30:11 good Dec 24 04:01:12 ouch Dec 24 04:05:11 whoah i missed this modified dpkg-buildpackage to replace maemo-optify... http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/commit/b1d3169faac0710ef3a73ef42449a5361834a8ae Dec 24 04:09:39 hrm Dec 24 04:10:20 you'd think the clock alarms would just be a calendar thing Dec 24 04:17:39 GAN900 needs to get his mind right Dec 24 04:17:50 Indeed Dec 24 04:17:56 Mah proxy is dead Dec 24 04:50:18 is calendar-backend LGPL? Dec 24 04:50:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture suggests it's "proprietary" Dec 24 05:01:51 I haven't found any sources for it at least Dec 24 05:02:02 pretty sure it's proprietary Dec 24 05:05:51 and I'm currently writing a syncevolution backend for it Dec 24 05:14:47 is there a maemo field test app yet Dec 24 05:15:06 what's that Dec 24 05:16:38 shows like all the network gsm and umts data Dec 24 05:17:51 afaik a lot of that data is not available to the cpu Dec 24 05:18:25 nokia has like a field test app for symbian Dec 24 05:18:41 had ot for a while Dec 24 05:19:38 cool. anyway the cell radio has a pretty limited interface Dec 24 05:20:02 but i just found this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/cell-modem-ui/0.2-2/ Dec 24 05:20:29 THANK YOU Tuomo Tanskanen!!! Dec 24 05:21:39 pupnik: what does it do? (before I install it and brick myself) Dec 24 05:21:47 i test Dec 24 05:22:02 updating - and finishing breakfast - brb Dec 24 05:32:30 it installs a .xml file into /etc/systemui/cell-modem-ui.xml Dec 24 05:33:28 i don't see where to invoke it Dec 24 05:34:09 heh Dec 24 05:35:18 oh reboot needed Dec 24 05:35:32 i found the freakin 'dialin' bug Dec 24 05:35:50 the 'phone app' is set to call forwarding, and the number is not mine Dec 24 05:36:09 wowww Dec 24 05:36:56 it was my number with '33' inserted after the first 4 digits! Dec 24 05:39:27 hmmmmmm Dec 24 05:40:41 yeah. i want to sex0r the female avatar Dec 24 05:42:26 what is holding you? Dec 24 05:43:15 well the fact taht she is a fictional alien creature? Dec 24 05:43:16 haha Dec 24 05:43:38 do it fictionally then! Dec 24 05:44:21 well Dec 24 05:44:32 the subs are in like russian or something Dec 24 05:44:36 so i don't get to read the savage talk Dec 24 05:45:16 ah, a pirate! Dec 24 05:48:13 unf! got CDT setup on eclipse. i'm going to have to start using that at work to make linux C/C++ development a lot easier than using emacs all day Dec 24 05:50:25 i donno, its about the same Dec 24 05:50:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zoxx2hnIK0 Dec 24 05:50:52 no, eclipse makes it so much easier Dec 24 05:52:30 Priceless: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=438950#post438950 Dec 24 05:52:55 * RST38h out Dec 24 05:53:13 oh, sweet, CyZooNiC! Dec 24 05:53:23 gotta love the N900's hackability Dec 24 05:53:28 too bad injection doesnt work Dec 24 05:53:44 soemone announced they were moving a pentesting tool to n900 Dec 24 05:53:59 sweet Dec 24 05:54:17 a pentesting tool? Dec 24 05:54:21 http://www.neopwn.com/ Dec 24 05:54:44 metasploit runs ueber slow Dec 24 05:56:05 hmm, i don't see aircrack in my Extras repo Dec 24 05:56:32 damnit Dec 24 05:56:37 need to download subs for this crap :) Dec 24 05:57:37 it's in extras-testing Dec 24 05:57:59 oh Dec 24 05:58:02 or extras-devel can't remeber Dec 24 05:58:24 i have extras-testing Dec 24 05:58:26 must be devel Dec 24 05:58:28 will check there Dec 24 05:58:32 its not optified Dec 24 05:58:43 but it's also not very large Dec 24 05:58:53 is there a maemo field test app yet Dec 24 05:59:04 shows like all the network gsm and umts data Dec 24 05:59:31 I havent seen anything like that yet Dec 24 06:00:09 CyZooNiC: yup, it was in extras-devel Dec 24 06:03:34 ok. found them :) Dec 24 06:12:45 anybody know of a way to get the application name if you have the dbus service name? Dec 24 06:14:52 good mornign Dec 24 06:14:55 morning* Dec 24 06:27:17 hmm. think it's possible to write a sharing plugin to gallery2? Dec 24 06:51:53 wonder if Nokia would release Ovi Store for N900 before year end Dec 24 07:15:41 lucent: that would surprise me Dec 24 07:42:32 mornin' everyone Dec 24 08:08:55 and hello again :) Dec 24 08:09:01 it's a wazd Dec 24 08:10:42 Stskeeps, wazzap shawty :D Dec 24 08:11:09 reading through my mail and preparing myself mentally for a polish xmas where i won't understand what people are saying Dec 24 08:11:28 Stskeeps, lulz :D Dec 24 08:11:40 Stskeeps, just nod :D Dec 24 08:11:52 at least i will have my n900 to keep me entertained Dec 24 08:13:35 Stskeeps, yyou have your wife! Nerd! :D Dec 24 08:14:04 hehe Dec 24 08:14:43 wazd_n800: in the meantime, Stskeeps is telling me to hack over Xmas instead of spend it w/ family... :p Dec 24 08:14:54 I guess non-russian christmas is tomorrow? Dec 24 08:15:05 or today? Dec 24 08:15:15 today Dec 24 08:15:18 well, for .dk Dec 24 08:15:22 and poland Dec 24 08:15:26 tomorrow Dec 24 08:15:31 today is Christmas Eve Dec 24 08:15:37 oh Dec 24 08:15:55 ok, great, I have some time) Dec 24 08:16:23 I'm oficially ofically free now btw) Dec 24 08:16:39 got papers) Dec 24 08:16:53 passport? woo :) Dec 24 08:16:58 what's with the )s? Dec 24 08:17:04 luke-jr: russian smilies Dec 24 08:17:11 ... Dec 24 08:17:27 My life became less miserable :) Dec 24 08:17:28 they don't have eyes, you know, after ze radiation Dec 24 08:17:28 :P Dec 24 08:17:42 wazd_n800: so when are you coming to warsaw? ;p Dec 24 08:17:44 avatar was good Dec 24 08:17:50 Stskeeps, not passport yet, but army papers Dec 24 08:17:51 ah Dec 24 08:17:54 at least better than most movies that have came out in the last 10 years Dec 24 08:18:00 Macer, imax? Dec 24 08:18:15 wazd_n800: thought you got those already, so you can first apply for passport now? Dec 24 08:18:15 naw. i just watched the bootleg :) Dec 24 08:18:15 haha Dec 24 08:18:28 Macer, I'm heading to the imax now) Dec 24 08:18:36 you can'tget a passport while you're enlisted? Dec 24 08:18:42 where do you live? communist russia? Dec 24 08:18:49 Macer: close enough, modern russia Dec 24 08:18:50 Macer, spend some cash and see it in 3d Dec 24 08:19:06 wazd_n800: i might Dec 24 08:19:09 it was worth watching again Dec 24 08:19:17 modern Russia is still communist, no? Dec 24 08:19:27 luke-jr: it's not?! Dec 24 08:19:29 no)) Dec 24 08:19:52 oh wait. that's right. they changed over to capitalist socialism like the US :) Dec 24 08:20:01 i remember hearing something about that in the 90s Dec 24 08:20:49 wazd_n800: just am confused. when i was in the USMC i could still get a passport so it can't be the US you are talking about Dec 24 08:21:06 altough i could understand the freedom part :) it was a pretty long 4 years... had the time of my life though when i wasn't in iraq Dec 24 08:22:25 Macer: there's forced conscription in .ru Dec 24 08:22:42 wow. he's really in russia? i was just joking :) Dec 24 08:22:49 the US should have that Dec 24 08:23:24 it's like that in .dk too but i got discarded, which was good :P Dec 24 08:23:39 you got discarded? Dec 24 08:23:41 HAHAHAH Dec 24 08:24:25 Macer: it's a good thing, or i would have to be stuck in army for 6-9 months :) Dec 24 08:24:36 and i could start my education immediately afterwards Dec 24 08:24:39 6-9 MONTHS?! Dec 24 08:24:41 that's it?! Dec 24 08:24:42 wow Dec 24 08:24:49 for .dk Dec 24 08:24:53 wow Dec 24 08:25:00 not planning to actually wage war huh? :) Dec 24 08:25:11 * luke-jr would probably help the other side. Dec 24 08:25:21 dk saved all its jews during the holocaust Dec 24 08:25:24 you have to give them that much Dec 24 08:25:30 the future is in information wars instead Dec 24 08:25:30 :P Dec 24 08:25:45 Stskeeps: 6-9 months isn't worth it Dec 24 08:25:52 Macer: we also pretty much bent over when the germans invaded Dec 24 08:25:53 so Dec 24 08:26:02 Stskeeps: i can tell Dec 24 08:26:12 with your 6-9 months of military service hehe Dec 24 08:26:15 Macer: why only their jews? Dec 24 08:26:37 luke-jr: because dk citizens would have been allowed to live if they weren't jewish Dec 24 08:26:48 lots of blue eyed blonde haired dkians Dec 24 08:27:01 heh Dec 24 08:27:11 just like the spanish :) Dec 24 08:27:12 Macer: sounds unlikely that the rest of the dk were all spared Dec 24 08:27:17 Macer: yeah, tell that to my grand-grandfather who went to concentration camp, he wasn't blonde :P Dec 24 08:27:31 i think there's more blondes in sweden, tbh Dec 24 08:27:47 Macer: and no Christians in dk at the time? I kinda doubt that. Dec 24 08:27:56 no christians? Dec 24 08:27:59 wtf are you talking about? Dec 24 08:28:13 omg, i've made it Dec 24 08:28:15 put the bottle down and read one word at a time Dec 24 08:28:25 Macer: Christians were at risk for their lives just as much Dec 24 08:28:30 bought out booked tickets in last second Dec 24 08:28:48 luke-jr: i believe ti depended on how pure the germans considered the race of the occupied country Dec 24 08:28:50 *right* before canceling Dec 24 08:28:52 jeez Dec 24 08:29:04 the germans were actually pretty civil to the french (with the exception of the french jews) Dec 24 08:29:11 they HATED russians :) Dec 24 08:29:16 Macer: Germans weren't persecuting solely on race Dec 24 08:29:19 they believed russians to be a subclass of human Dec 24 08:29:30 luke-jr: for the most part they did Dec 24 08:30:16 statistically with the exception of deaths during battle.. the germans would eliminate what they considered lesser races as well as handicapped Dec 24 08:30:53 oh, WWII ramblings) Dec 24 08:31:03 morning all Dec 24 08:31:34 I wonder what it is that makes my N900 always connect now? Dec 24 08:31:48 It certainly didn't do that in the past Dec 24 08:31:49 isn't it supposed to always connect Dec 24 08:32:17 well yeah, but I'm just strange and I only want it to connect when I ask it to Dec 24 08:32:23 or at least to connect then disconnect Dec 24 08:32:55 to what? Dec 24 08:33:38 luke-jr: watch the gray zone Dec 24 08:33:40 well try to connect every 30min say, then disconnect when idle Dec 24 08:33:46 grey Dec 24 08:33:53 however it is spelled :) Dec 24 08:34:13 with an 'e' is English Dec 24 08:34:23 and the a? Dec 24 08:34:28 American Dec 24 08:34:37 like favor and favour? Dec 24 08:34:38 :) Dec 24 08:34:50 color and colour Dec 24 08:34:52 Aluminium is probably better Dec 24 08:35:06 Aluminum as the Americans say Dec 24 08:35:23 haha Dec 24 08:35:29 i honestly didn't know that Dec 24 08:36:56 Russia looks just like in Red Alert 3 Dec 24 08:37:11 i miss playing RA2 :/ Dec 24 08:37:34 Crazy generals, sexy girls, ridiculous weaponery :D Dec 24 08:38:01 no airborn bears but we're working on that :D Dec 24 08:38:30 Tupolev Tu-95 or growling ones? Dec 24 08:39:14 Tu are cariers and civil aircrafts Dec 24 08:39:30 Sus and Migs :) Dec 24 08:40:46 well certainly a carrier of something ;) its NATO reporting name was "bear": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95 Dec 24 08:41:10 http://community.livejournal.com/ru_klukva_ru/380071.html?style=mine Dec 24 08:41:16 We now have "Superjet" - 2002 year grade plane Dec 24 08:42:00 Arkenoi, heya Dec 24 08:45:34 X-Fade: can I have deletion rights in the wiki please? or is it too tied to other things? Dec 24 08:59:32 Hello ! Dec 24 09:00:26 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python2.5-py2deb_0.5.3-1/ < someone understand what is the problem ? Dec 24 09:06:29 * lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for that page to load Dec 24 09:06:36 * lbt too Dec 24 09:07:01 probably a missing dep in the control file though, I'll guess without actually seeing the log Dec 24 09:08:15 lardman ... seems to be maemo-optify Dec 24 09:08:19 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python2.5-py2deb_0.5.3-1/ Dec 24 09:08:34 hmm, looks like dpkg-checkbuilddeps fails silently to me Dec 24 09:08:46 so they did it automatically without warning developpers Dec 24 09:09:09 here's the file somewhere quicker: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m27ce35ee Dec 24 09:09:10 my package is already optified so i didn't want this things Dec 24 09:10:02 is that a dep in the control file? Dec 24 09:10:51 no, seems not Dec 24 09:11:21 nope Dec 24 09:11:36 it s seems to be added automatically Dec 24 09:11:39 does it build on your machine? Dec 24 09:11:55 of course Dec 24 09:12:10 just checking ;) Dec 24 09:12:57 but everytime my machine accept problems without errors Dec 24 09:13:20 and autobuilder fails on a minor warning :) Dec 24 09:13:38 mornig Dec 24 09:14:08 I wonder why dh_install is commented out Dec 24 09:15:18 someone able to install qt packages? Dec 24 09:15:52 qt packages on freemantle? Dec 24 09:17:08 lardman ? because i commented it Dec 24 09:18:23 it s a py2deb packages ... it has always works ... but didn't now Dec 24 09:18:39 without a very small modification Dec 24 09:18:49 so doesn't seems to be that Dec 24 09:19:28 does there is a way to force remove maemo-optify ? Dec 24 09:20:27 hmm, with that commented it won't install anything Dec 24 09:20:48 so it's probably working from its point of view as you've not asked it to do anything else Dec 24 09:21:26 also, that package doesn't appear to be optified Dec 24 09:21:56 and tbh I've no clue why on Earth would anyone want it to be either, it's not very large Dec 24 09:22:21 lardman it is as the python_2.5/site-packages is Dec 24 09:23:05 fair enough Dec 24 09:23:07 how did you perform optification on it then? Dec 24 09:23:34 it s done by the pymaemo-optify Dec 24 09:23:55 hmm, must have missed that, hang on Dec 24 09:23:56 which is a depends of python packages Dec 24 09:24:32 where is the blue nokia logo that's displayed when booting? Dec 24 09:24:48 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/startup_nokia_logo.png seems to be something else Dec 24 09:24:54 user_: fair enough, something automatic then and not in the uploaded files? Dec 24 09:25:13 user_: e.g. the debian/dirs file still contains the path to usr/ Dec 24 09:25:34 user_: anyway I don't know I'm afraid, but good luck! :) Dec 24 09:27:22 Morning, all Dec 24 09:27:33 hi Jaffa Dec 24 09:27:58 lardman ... hum normal ... symlinks Dec 24 09:28:14 i don't understand why you re afraid Dec 24 09:28:48 user_: not afraid, just seems a bit pointless to me to have to optify everything Dec 24 09:28:57 in that case just make the root fs bigger, etc. Dec 24 09:29:47 yep optify is the worst idea on this n900 Dec 24 09:32:17 lardman: how do you compile mbarcode? Dec 24 09:32:51 grrr it s a real pain to found something oln maemo.org Dec 24 09:33:09 dmj726: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Dec 24 09:33:27 dmj726: make sure you have the Makefile.nxxx symlinked to Makefile Dec 24 09:33:52 I did try to have a generic Makefile that works out which device it is, but didn't want to waste too much time on it Dec 24 09:34:11 moo all Dec 24 09:36:48 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/022798.html Dec 24 09:41:55 user_: Unfortunately, due to Nokia not realising it was going to be a problem until too late; optification (and now/soon, auto-optification by the autobuilder). Some propose the best option is to have swap on the NAND and the rootfs on the eMMC Dec 24 09:43:07 Jaffa: should be the better option i think :) Dec 24 09:43:15 oups my nick Dec 24 09:43:38 depends on if performance degrades too much in doing that. Dec 24 09:43:41 user_: Trouble is it's bigger change than the time available allowed (changes in tooling, fabrication, upgrades etc.) Dec 24 09:43:52 ...and the concern about eMMC being slower (as dmj726 says) Dec 24 09:44:27 yep a bit slower but noy that much Dec 24 09:45:05 Khertan: The only concrete figure I've heard mentioned is 25%. But I've not seen any raw data, or actual reproducible benchmarks. Dec 24 09:45:14 linux runs very slowly if the media it's installed on is slow. Dec 24 09:45:45 I learned this when I installed ubuntu 9.04 on a flash drive. It was unpleasant. Dec 24 09:45:57 anyway it s a bit too late now Dec 24 09:46:02 yeah Dec 24 09:46:24 but auto optify isn t a good idea Dec 24 09:46:55 there is always a test pass before packages land to extras Dec 24 09:47:02 so it s useless Dec 24 09:48:49 Khertan: It's not useless, if optification isn't a long term strategy; and people aren't doing it anyway. Dec 24 09:49:40 if people don t do it applications will not be available to extras Dec 24 09:49:58 at least broken things isn t better i think Dec 24 09:50:38 Jaffa: optification is quite a long way down the todo list for apps in extras-devel Dec 24 09:51:21 and yet I receive emails asking me to optify this/that/the other, which makes me wonder why I bother Dec 24 09:51:42 hum add pymameo-optify still not help contrary to what they said Dec 24 09:51:43 grrr Dec 24 09:52:08 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python2.5-py2deb_0.5.3-2/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Dec 24 09:52:17 optification should be a post-build step :P Dec 24 09:52:37 should be a manual on demand step Dec 24 09:52:41 lardman: Indeed, which is why the autobuilder does it Dec 24 09:52:51 they finally got it changed? Dec 24 09:52:52 Khertan: Which will pymaemo-optify not help? Dec 24 09:53:06 s/Which/Why/ Dec 24 09:53:08 Jaffa meant: Khertan: Why will pymaemo-optify not help? Dec 24 09:53:18 Jaffa: in which case all's well and dandy Dec 24 09:53:30 according to : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/022807.html Dec 24 09:53:34 except for users demanding my time to do something for no apparent reason ;) Dec 24 09:53:36 HAM said I was installing 320MB of apps on the restore I did last night :) Dec 24 09:53:48 s/apparent/immediately useful Dec 24 09:54:00 yeah, said I was installing 200MB Dec 24 09:54:03 if package depends on pymameo-optify auto builder should try to broke it Dec 24 09:54:32 if package depends on pymameo-optify auto builder should try to not broke it Dec 24 09:55:02 Khertan: Correct. I don't know if that change to maemo-optify --auto has been made and rolled out. But that's why the system is under development :-p Dec 24 09:56:49 Khertan: maemo-developers/m-vo/edb.bartosh/bugzilla Dec 24 10:05:54 Bug #7309 Dec 24 10:05:55 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7309 Auto Builder // Maemo Optify // Unable it with pymaemo-optify depends Dec 24 10:09:21 Khertan: Thanks; I've linked up the mailing list thread and changed the summary (hope you don't mind) Dec 24 10:15:20 lardman: I got it to build Dec 24 10:15:38 how do I install it on the device? Dec 24 10:18:40 mediaplayer srt subtitles anybody got a working setup? Dec 24 10:23:51 got it Dec 24 10:24:35 kkito yes on extras-devel Dec 24 10:29:08 hello Dec 24 10:29:17 heya tomasz Dec 24 10:29:22 can anyone tell me what all this means? https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1844&action=view (text file, small) Dec 24 10:29:23 enjoying xmas? :P Dec 24 10:29:39 I'm not enjoying a severe bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277 Dec 24 10:29:40 Bug 7277: WLAN connection deauth, auth cycle very often, stalling all Internet activity. Dec 24 10:29:51 try disable power management Dec 24 10:30:19 ok, but didn't have to do that earlier... one moment Dec 24 10:30:20 to pin it down Dec 24 10:30:27 pl Dec 24 10:30:29 ok Dec 24 10:30:58 done, testing... Dec 24 10:32:10 got through apt-get update first time, good sign Dec 24 10:32:36 running stream... Dec 24 10:33:08 no issues again Dec 24 10:33:20 Stskeeps: thanks for the workaround, will report back Dec 24 10:34:16 please look into if it's a DNS issue Dec 24 10:34:29 my asus wl-500gp corrupts my DNS packages Dec 24 10:34:31 packets Dec 24 10:34:50 Stskeeps: there you go http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/downloads/list Dec 24 10:35:04 running the most recent build atm Dec 24 10:35:22 mm, might be worth it Dec 24 10:35:26 Stskeeps: fantastic firmware, additional modules Dec 24 10:35:35 you should note you run a custom firmware fwiw Dec 24 10:35:58 Stskeeps: this custom firmware does not affect any other device here, and there is quite a few of them Dec 24 10:36:05 I would know first hand if anything was wrong Dec 24 10:36:10 TomaszD: well, laptops aren't usually touched by PSM issues Dec 24 10:36:15 n8x0s however.. Dec 24 10:36:15 Hi Dec 24 10:36:15 :P Dec 24 10:36:20 uh Dec 24 10:36:26 hmm. So any pointer for Zyxel P660? reboot after max 10min of WPA2 Dec 24 10:36:34 I can't find the source code for maemopad online anywhere - anyone know where they are? Dec 24 10:36:43 dneary: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 Dec 24 10:36:56 http://? Dec 24 10:36:58 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/maemopad/ Dec 24 10:37:32 alas no new FW for that shitty router Dec 24 10:37:39 I'm looking for the source code - either svn or git or whatever Dec 24 10:37:50 dneary: don't think maemopad is developed openly Dec 24 10:37:57 the repository one is the closest you get to it Dec 24 10:37:58 Stskeeps, See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7280 for reasons Dec 24 10:37:59 Bug 7280: example source code not available in "Writing a new maemo application" Dec 24 10:38:13 oh Dec 24 10:38:23 Stskeeps, It is - it's in free, and source code from it is included as code samples in developer docs Dec 24 10:38:44 It's just the URL supplied requires authorisation Dec 24 10:38:48 yeah Dec 24 10:38:52 prod the sdk guys about it Dec 24 10:38:54 And AFAIK, we're moving away from svn Dec 24 10:38:56 Stskeeps: how can I check DNS corruption? Dec 24 10:39:04 Stskeeps: in layman's terms plz ;) Dec 24 10:39:06 Stskeeps, Any idea who is the best person? Dec 24 10:39:09 dneary: not garage SVN, just stage SVN Dec 24 10:39:18 dneary: see who's admin for 'sdktesting' project on garage Dec 24 10:39:40 TomaszD, You're looking for what website? we can compare IP addresses Dec 24 10:39:52 TomaszD: 'host' did it for me Dec 24 10:39:52 Stskeeps, URL? I'm not sure how to do that Dec 24 10:41:03 Stskeeps: on a Win7 machine? :) Dec 24 10:41:21 dneary: not looking for a specific website, no Dec 24 10:42:03 dneary: ask X-Fade i guess, it is marked as a nokia project (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sdktesting) Dec 24 10:42:09 so i can't see either Dec 24 10:42:15 TomaszD: you can see it on the device it's happening on Dec 24 10:42:30 Stskeeps: Marcell and Soumya. Dec 24 10:42:32 Is there a OSM2GO on freemantle user online? Dec 24 10:42:55 I have issues with creating a new project when selecting the area from a map Dec 24 10:43:00 Stskeeps, Me too - on the outside looking in Dec 24 10:44:34 dmj726: did you get that response of mine? dpkg -i mbarcode_blah.deb? Dec 24 10:44:48 am off now, have a merry christmas all, see you later Dec 24 10:45:04 yeah i figued it out Dec 24 10:45:36 merry christmas lardman Dec 24 10:58:20 Does maemo use gnu utilities? Dec 24 10:58:55 hiatus: Mostly Busybox Dec 24 10:58:59 s/box/Box/ Dec 24 10:59:00 Jaffa meant: hiatus: Mostly BusyBox Dec 24 11:00:20 Hmm, so you can't use gstreamer and such with it Dec 24 11:01:17 sure you can Dec 24 11:01:23 gstreamer is part of the os Dec 24 11:02:16 it just doesn't have coreutils and other typical stuff, but busybox covers a lot of it Dec 24 11:04:26 hiatus: Depends what level you want to work at. sh is BusyBox's ash; but bash is installable. gconftool-2 doesn't have a busybox version ;) Dec 24 11:06:10 * Arkenoi wonders why there is no bash and generic gnu utils as there is plenty of space for it anyways Dec 24 11:08:06 Arkenoi: one good reason is gplv3.. Dec 24 11:08:11 well, attitude Dec 24 11:10:29 Arkenoi: It is not only space, it is also RAM usage. Dec 24 11:10:44 And startup time etc etc. Dec 24 11:10:57 A lot of things need to be taken into account there. Dec 24 11:11:36 X-Fade: we kinda debunked that a bit :P the real reason is coreutils and such being gplv3 Dec 24 11:11:42 and busybox is gplv2 Dec 24 11:12:01 and legacy of course Dec 24 11:12:40 Stskeeps: Well, I think it is more being scared to change. Dec 24 11:12:46 It works, why change ;) Dec 24 11:12:53 that too Dec 24 11:13:01 Hmm, so would the n900 be able to support video more like a legitiment distro does? Dec 24 11:13:14 hiatus: we have gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad like other people Dec 24 11:13:15 Changing to bash is quite disruptive probably. Dec 24 11:13:21 it'd be dash instead Dec 24 11:13:25 probably Dec 24 11:13:35 Stskeeps: Although v3 probably gives some lawyers the creeps. Dec 24 11:13:51 hiatus: so it's the full gstreamer framework Dec 24 11:14:05 X-Fade: yeah.. at summit they stated nokia'll stay with gplv2 as policy for now Dec 24 11:14:08 hiatus: gstreamer is more powerfull than on my desktop. Dec 24 11:14:21 That's pretty neat Dec 24 11:14:26 hiatus: as we have hardware acceleration for some formats too ;) Dec 24 11:14:49 Stskeeps: Well, not only nokia. It seems most large companies working with linux do. Dec 24 11:15:05 yeah Dec 24 11:15:07 i don't blame them Dec 24 11:15:48 Eben moglen said no one loved gpl v2 as much as they did until he finished gpl v3 Dec 24 11:16:19 Lawyers will only calm down about v3 until rms and moglen write gpl v4 Dec 24 11:17:32 Stskeeps: Dash is probably a better candidate. Dec 24 11:18:13 hiatus: I think that v3 is a step to far for most companies ;) Dec 24 11:21:22 Its not all that restrictive. Companies just havnt realized drm isn't actually useful yet Dec 24 11:22:23 also nokia wants to do non-evil drm Dec 24 11:22:38 At least not to prevent piracy. It makes piracy look a lot more attractive Dec 24 11:23:05 Gpl v3 doesn't prevent non-drm Dec 24 11:24:10 drm has it's place, as long as the terms are clear to the user. Dec 24 11:24:32 Don't tell people they own music for ever and then close the license server after a year. Dec 24 11:24:36 That is just evil. Dec 24 11:24:53 Indeed Dec 24 11:25:20 X-Fade: yeah, ran into that when trying to move from a windows reinstall to the other.. the moving page was 404 Dec 24 11:25:21 If I buy a track for a few cents and I know it will play only x amount of time, I'm fine with that. Dec 24 11:25:41 X-Fade: money out of the window Dec 24 11:25:56 (i did actually like to buy as it was tracks normally difficult to get) Dec 24 11:26:10 Stskeeps: Yeah, that is one of the problems with drm. Do you trust the licensing party to stay in business ;) Dec 24 11:27:37 The comes with music service for instance is listen to as much music as you want, for a certain amount of money. I don't mind the drm there. Dec 24 11:27:44 It is just like listening to a stream. Dec 24 11:28:24 But when I buy a song for >= 1 eur, I better really own it ;) Dec 24 11:28:33 Its really more bother then what its worth. The people paying for the movie are doing it to avoid the bother of pirating. I buy some of my music because I don't care screwing around with usenet and torrents. Dec 24 11:28:51 i wouldn't mind a EU hulu.com Dec 24 11:29:06 * lbt is mailing people who do support via bugzilla Dec 24 11:29:11 Drm makes me stealing it more worth my while because it adds difficulty in my using the product I paid for Dec 24 11:29:37 * lbt is also looking for Ove to offer him a large glass of something good Dec 24 11:29:47 hiatus: recently i figured out how much the warnings in beginnings of DVDs are troubling.. it was on a children's DVD and the video scared the living hell out of the child Dec 24 11:29:47 for the syncevolution porting work :) Dec 24 11:29:51 and it was impossible to skip it Dec 24 11:29:57 hiatus: If drm makes your life difficult, then it is used wrong. And then you should have every right to kill it ;) Dec 24 11:30:22 drm does make it difficult. Dec 24 11:30:40 Veggen: As said, for streaming protection, I don't care. Dec 24 11:30:50 ...and it makes the pirated products more worth/better than the real product. Dec 24 11:30:52 Well, I don't use it. Dec 24 11:31:04 X-Fade: agreed. streaming is "a performance" you pay for. Dec 24 11:31:06 Veggen: As long as it is not something that is meant to be permanent. Dec 24 11:31:32 MythTV is good for this kind of thing (DVD watching) Dec 24 11:31:33 but DRM on iTunes/music stores/DVDs etc. are wrong. Dec 24 11:31:34 Veggen: Same for subscriptions or x times play stuff. Dec 24 11:31:53 Veggen: yes, that drm is a pain. Dec 24 11:32:00 You can pirate streams as well. Its not hard Dec 24 11:32:14 hiatus: Sure, but I wouldn't care. Dec 24 11:32:14 hiatus: oh, we know :) Dec 24 11:33:14 but well. I'm not a big copyright-infringer anyway. (I refuse to call it thief or pirate, because it has nothing to do with theft or piracy at all) Dec 24 11:33:31 * lbt looks at his 4Tb of time-shifted content on his PVR... some of it from 2005/6 iirc.... Dec 24 11:34:24 Well, when they catch on the drm doesn't really prevent anything. I think interest in using it will die Dec 24 11:35:04 it's dying in music but coming up in film Dec 24 11:35:30 lbt: mmm, it'll die there too. in couple of years. Dec 24 11:35:39 hdtv sat private stations Dec 24 11:35:59 interesting that the N900+1 is likely to be the kind of device that makes it technically viable... Dec 24 11:36:07 real brainfuck Dec 24 11:36:49 according to new scientist (and personal experience) HD isn't a big deal in enjoying content Dec 24 11:36:55 image size is Dec 24 11:37:18 ack Dec 24 11:37:27 means the N900 sucks unless I play '9' via my projector ;) Dec 24 11:37:45 but seriously though Dec 24 11:38:08 I play SD content on a projected screen and it is brilliant... Dec 24 11:38:21 * DocScrutinizer51 plugs tv-cable to N900 Dec 24 11:38:21 even at ~3m diagonal Dec 24 11:38:45 DocScrutinizer51: it's worth it :) BounceEvolution on a projector makes you ill though Dec 24 11:39:28 I didn't try to play around with settings, but colors were really fucked up when I tried the cable Dec 24 11:39:49 lbt: Well, I'm spoiled and think that SD content sucks. Dec 24 11:40:07 X-Fade: it does compared side-by-side with HD Dec 24 11:40:19 but projected SD vs smallscreen HD ..... Dec 24 11:40:19 lbt: It does on a HD tv too ;) Dec 24 11:40:32 by smallscreen I mean a 40" plasma Dec 24 11:41:01 lbt: Everything that gets drawn on more pixels than the source image is, is lame ;) Dec 24 11:41:23 hmm just this morning watched "La Jetee" on 900 and found the volume slyder of mediaplayer was delayed operation taking effect only when I press pause Dec 24 11:41:23 I agree that it looks technically worse... Dec 24 11:41:39 but the point is that the research showed interesting effects Dec 24 11:41:48 after the initial 'wow' Dec 24 11:42:07 the actual post-watching measurement of "how much did you enjoy" Dec 24 11:42:13 was different... Dec 24 11:42:27 and HD/SD was not as big a factor as you'd think Dec 24 11:42:43 I am (was) a hi-fi nut .... Dec 24 11:42:52 so I know where you are coming from :) Dec 24 11:43:26 * Arkenoi thinks La Jetee is more suitable for a projector and a dark room, not a movie to watch on the go Dec 24 11:43:50 lbt: same here :-) Dec 24 11:43:54 Well, SD is bad, but SD on low bandwidth digital streams with mpeg artifacts is even worse ;) Dec 24 11:44:03 oh, yeah, that sucks Dec 24 11:44:17 Arkenoi: it was just a test Dec 24 11:44:20 and can really get on your nerves when watching Dec 24 11:44:50 Arkenoi: I failed with subtitles as well. So it wasn't that much fun anyway Dec 24 11:44:55 but that's not SD... that's like crappy mp3s at 64k Dec 24 11:45:06 vs mp3 at 320 Dec 24 11:45:32 (although in the car with the roof down it's no big deal!!) Dec 24 11:45:40 btw anyone tried pocket projectors? like 3m's 120? They have resolution no better than 640x480, does it scale ok? Dec 24 11:45:41 lol Dec 24 11:45:56 i am going to take one for a test Dec 24 11:46:08 Arkenoi: I think those are really in the 'gadget' state still. Dec 24 11:46:10 merry christmas everybody Dec 24 11:46:19 Arkenoi: The idea is cool, but well.. Dec 24 11:46:23 wow.... what TZ are you in pekuja ? Dec 24 11:46:37 lbt: .dk has xmas today too :P Dec 24 11:46:42 lbt: GMT+2 Dec 24 11:46:52 .fi Dec 24 11:47:14 Arkenoi: on ct.de you should find a good test of miniprojectors Dec 24 11:47:28 ah.... the UK is moving xmas to the 26th so people can get their cars home :D Dec 24 11:47:35 they are all stuck in ditches today Dec 24 11:47:52 I just noticed that the GPS on my N900 seems to be consistently locating me to the north and a bit east to where I am Dec 24 11:48:14 is there a way to calibrate it or something? Dec 24 11:48:33 (xmas) like defcon2 for me Dec 24 11:48:36 go outside and move north and a bit east Dec 24 11:48:53 pekuja: sure its GPS not triangular calculation of the GMS towers? Dec 24 11:48:59 GSM* Dec 24 11:49:06 err cell-towers Dec 24 11:49:09 or what are they called Dec 24 11:49:10 Eh, I actually got the droid. Gps is nice on it Dec 24 11:49:34 pekuja: you can't calibrate GPS Dec 24 11:50:00 ifreq: I'm not sure Dec 24 11:50:11 ifreq: could be gsm Dec 24 11:50:20 you can put hello kitty theme on your n900 and it will attract gps signals better Dec 24 11:50:21 :P Dec 24 11:50:22 DocScrutinizer51: ok. too bad Dec 24 11:50:27 haha Dec 24 11:50:28 ifreq: they are valled Base Transmitter Stations Dec 24 11:50:47 DocScrutinizer51: yeah just knew the fin words for it :P Dec 24 11:50:50 not the eng tech terms Dec 24 11:52:24 ifreq: I don't thinl maemo location service does triangulation. It's impossible without support from carrier Dec 24 11:52:47 it seems to have a lookup for coords of base stations Dec 24 11:53:19 i think it try to reach 2-3 nearest bases and calculates from those Dec 24 11:53:20 I wonder if it does anything triangular using those? Dec 24 11:53:27 well atleat iphone doess Dec 24 11:53:29 lbt: might help for a very rough first guess of your location. Dec 24 11:53:34 i realy doubht the tech really differs Dec 24 11:53:49 yeah - that was part of the whole AGPS bugthread iirc Dec 24 11:53:52 lbt: but triangulation is technically impossible Dec 24 11:53:55 thats why the location may not be exact as mentioened earlier Dec 24 11:54:29 DocScrutinizer51: does the device not know about multiple local transmitters? Dec 24 11:55:10 it does. but it doesnt know distance to those. Also doesnt know even if they are next ones Dec 24 11:55:15 and can it not tell the signal strenth of each? Dec 24 11:55:32 and knowing their gps co-ords it could make assumptions Dec 24 11:55:34 doesn't help Dec 24 11:55:38 (very coarse) Dec 24 11:55:58 yeah verrry coarse Dec 24 11:56:00 you sure it do not know the distance to one base station? Dec 24 11:56:10 no Dec 24 11:56:15 it can't know that Dec 24 11:56:17 hmm interesting Dec 24 11:56:31 it knows Time Advance to the one BTS its associated to Dec 24 11:56:44 but it could use inter-tower location to assume it is in the centre of the triangle Dec 24 11:56:55 TA is in steps of 550m iirc Dec 24 11:57:01 and then adjust the legs based on strength Dec 24 11:57:12 Oh, Dec 24 11:57:26 so it could use TA to get one distance? Dec 24 11:57:30 lbt: signal strength is mere random basically Dec 24 11:57:41 sure... Dec 24 11:57:54 lbt: yep. you know distance to 'your' BTS Dec 24 11:58:12 but it should locate you either between towers Dec 24 11:58:18 * Stskeeps dumps a book about location based services etc in lbt's lap Dec 24 11:58:18 :P Dec 24 11:58:29 pdf? Dec 24 11:58:59 lsb ah yeah Dec 24 11:59:38 i always assumed it gets 2-3 distance from single bts and calculates average between all 2-3 Dec 24 12:00:27 given what DocScrutinizer51 said and the ability to switch BTS you should be able to. Depends on HW and how long that kind of thing takes Dec 24 12:00:45 OTOH there's a GPS builtin Dec 24 12:00:53 lbt: I've done that ;-D Dec 24 12:00:55 Better start working, gas station is pretty busy for christmas eve Dec 24 12:01:26 DocScrutinizer51: see... this is why the stack needs opening up a bit Dec 24 12:01:31 with a Nokia 6210 though Dec 24 12:01:39 I wonder if ofono will go that deep? Dec 24 12:01:43 using net monitor service mode Dec 24 12:01:56 lbt: surely not Dec 24 12:02:09 yeah, I doubt it too Dec 24 12:03:19 lbt: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html Dec 24 12:03:58 grin Dec 24 12:04:22 and geometry and more datapoints will increase the accuracy of possible intersects Dec 24 12:05:06 and I guess TA is not influenced by geography much (other than maybe reflection) Dec 24 12:05:32 anyhow.... I really must get back to ove's syncevolution stuff :D Dec 24 12:07:15 * ShadowJK turns on JIT in microb Dec 24 12:07:17 is there any other im-app that integrates into contacts like butterfly (for msn)? Dec 24 12:07:36 pidgin ws quite badly done Dec 24 12:09:04 i dont think so Dec 24 12:10:04 %6/rrt errrr sorry Dec 24 12:12:32 jit is not on by default? Dec 24 12:13:09 I guess it's questionable whether you can go that deep at all anymore :) Dec 24 12:19:26 Is there a script to find already installed poorly optified packages? I am trying to figure out what is eating / space.. Dec 24 12:20:09 Arkenoi: du -R /usr/share | sort -rn ? Dec 24 12:21:14 Arkemoi look on my website : http://khertan.net Dec 24 12:21:21 ShadowJK: iirc it wasn't quite reliable yet in that version Dec 24 12:22:23 Arkenoi: http://khertan.net/2009/10/not-enought-space-on-device/ Dec 24 12:22:31 bye Dec 24 12:28:25 ShadowJK: that is, jit in that version may give you some crashes and hangs doing some things on e.g. flickr :) Dec 24 12:29:20 sp3000: in my case it just made slow script warning pop up on the page I was getting tired waiting for :) Dec 24 12:29:23 is it safe to cp -Rp /usr/share /home/user/MyDocs; ln -sf /home/user/MyDocs/share /usr/share ? Dec 24 12:29:36 (and after stopping the script it worked fine) Dec 24 12:29:50 Arkenoi: afaiui no Dec 24 12:30:07 well, maybe share was safe Dec 24 12:30:21 better have backups anyway Dec 24 12:30:32 ShadowJK, what may break this way? Dec 24 12:31:20 well test it and you'll find out Dec 24 12:32:07 Personally I think I'd modify init scripts to mount /home earlier, to avoid problems Dec 24 12:32:31 but I'm too lazy so in reality im going to do nothing ;) Dec 24 12:35:18 * Jaffa seems to be getting into an argument with Ed on -developers Dec 24 12:36:17 ShadowJK, there is a danger modified scripts will be overwritten with software update, isn't it? Dec 24 12:36:18 Developers developers developer! Dec 24 12:36:22 * RST38h throws a chair Dec 24 12:36:36 * zerojay gets hit Dec 24 12:36:40 yes Dec 24 12:36:59 zerojay: happy holidays Dec 24 12:37:55 Stskeeps: Same to you. Dec 24 12:38:09 It'll be much happier when I'm finally done with this terrible flu. Dec 24 12:38:25 * Stskeeps will be spending it with parents in law in a language he doesn't understand Dec 24 12:38:32 i'm not sure if i would enjoy flu more Dec 24 12:39:21 Hah Dec 24 12:39:36 Poor Stskeeps Dec 24 12:39:42 Learn Polish already. Dec 24 12:39:48 and more specifically, without good danish xmas food Dec 24 12:39:49 :P Dec 24 12:40:01 I've been off work for almost a week now... since last Friday. Would be nice to get some sleep sometime soon too. Dec 24 12:40:13 Stskeeps: What language do they speak? Dec 24 12:40:23 Well, Poles have got good food, so I doubt it is a problem Dec 24 12:40:36 zerojay: polish and a bit of english Dec 24 12:40:52 and as with any place, if there's a majority of non-english speaking people, non-english will be used ;) Dec 24 12:41:02 RST38h: well, it could be worse. but i will be missing pork roast. Dec 24 12:41:18 Stskeeps: Just ask 'em for it =) Dec 24 12:41:57 RST38h: did i mention my mother in law is a bit of a healthy agenda person? :) Dec 24 12:42:11 * RST38h looks around, searching for people who would test/vote for ColEm Dec 24 12:42:23 i'll spend the NY with jews Dec 24 12:42:39 and ~25 russians :/ Dec 24 12:42:39 Stskeeps: Good, you will be destroying their supply of pork so that they do not feel tempted to get fat on it! Dec 24 12:43:03 * RST38h will be spending the NY with 15mil russians. Dec 24 12:43:06 and some jews =) Dec 24 12:43:33 i'll leave Moscow at 30 dec :) Dec 24 12:43:47 thresh: Direct flight I hope? Dec 24 12:43:57 this time, yes Dec 24 12:44:09 gooood Dec 24 12:44:32 yeah, i had some problems flying out of Paris this Sunday Dec 24 12:44:52 * RST38h wonders if he should once again approach XFade about deleting all votes from Google Crawler Dec 24 12:44:55 heya VDVsx Dec 24 12:45:15 thresh: Well, at least it is not being stuck in Atlanta for a night Dec 24 12:45:40 In what looked like a ghetto, too Dec 24 12:46:14 RST38h, yeah Dec 24 12:46:30 RST38h, the votes come from maemo select afaik Dec 24 12:46:47 VDVsx: Some are Dec 24 12:46:51 I'm getting a lot of them Dec 24 12:46:58 VDVsx: But a lot of them come from Google Crawler indexing Maemo Select Dec 24 12:47:10 probably Dec 24 12:47:20 VDVsx: I am not getting them any more, but some of my products have got ridiculous numbers of votes Dec 24 12:47:32 VDVsx: Averaging to 3 of course (crawler went form 1 to 5 :)) Dec 24 12:57:12 hey Dec 24 12:58:58 Hey guys. How do I made a propper backup of my N900, and what exactly can I back up? Dec 24 12:59:12 Coz I wanna flash it but I dont wanna loose my contact and stuff Dec 24 13:00:41 Roaziel: use the backup application and backup everything Dec 24 13:02:27 is there anyway to get nokia hackbox? Dec 24 13:05:33 VDVsx: Oh, I know why I am no longer getting Google Crawler hits Dec 24 13:06:12 RST38h: Hmm aren't those links nofollow? Dec 24 13:06:52 X-Fade: I have no idea. All I know is that Crawler somehow followed them and "voted". Many, many times Dec 24 13:07:26 X-Fade: It probably continues "voting". The reason why I am no longer getting these hits is because all my apps were removed from Maemo Selected Applications Dec 24 13:07:44 grumble Dec 24 13:07:45 X-Fade: Probably after that conflict with Nintendo. Dec 24 13:07:53 RST38h: Voting is done through javascript there. Dec 24 13:07:54 * melmoth fail at qt hello world Dec 24 13:08:24 X-Fade: On Maemo Select, it is done through some server side script which you invoke with a URL Dec 24 13:08:58 RST38h: I'm looking at the maemo select source and that is a javascript. Dec 24 13:09:15 Ok, a moment Dec 24 13:09:30 RST38h: onclick="javascript:return rateProduct('adblock-plus-1.0', 1); Dec 24 13:10:28 Bug #6192 Dec 24 13:10:30 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6192 Bots are voting in Maemo Select? Dec 24 13:11:06 And the voting URL is http://maemo.nokia.com/voteapp.php?rate=5&id=122 Dec 24 13:16:10 Well, it'll vote now that that link is in the IRC logs! Dec 24 13:16:49 Yes yessss ;) Dec 24 13:17:01 RST38h: Ratings have ip recorded, so those can be removed. Dec 24 13:17:14 X-Fade: Please, do Dec 24 13:17:23 If no IP is recorded, you can probably delete by date Dec 24 13:17:58 X-Fade: BTW, is the selection of apps at Maemo Select static or does it rotate every n days? Dec 24 13:18:22 ShadowJK: yeah page js hanginess would be one such thing :) Dec 24 13:18:47 RST38h: The data is fetched automatically, but a moderator selects them manually from a queue. IIRC. Dec 24 13:19:35 X-Fade: Just wondering if the removal of all my apps was due to rotation or a political decision of some kind =) Dec 24 13:20:25 RST38h: I don't know, we only provide an api for them. Dec 24 13:20:55 sp3000: well it was better to hang and kill the pointless js than to be constantly slow ;) Dec 24 13:21:23 I suspect normal users might disagree Dec 24 13:21:46 * sp3000 dunno if the speed improvement is as noticeable Dec 24 13:22:08 ehm Dec 24 13:22:21 hm Dec 24 13:22:24 someone's voting system votes on GET? Dec 24 13:22:58 http fail Dec 24 13:23:34 yeah 8 didnt notice any difference in speed, it seemed slower with jit, but it was slow enough that it asked if i wanted to terminate the script, and without the script the site became much faster :) Dec 24 13:23:49 heh Dec 24 13:24:08 afaiui you're not supposed to need to block bots if you, you know, do things correctly Dec 24 13:24:32 ShadowJK: block the script url then ;) Dec 24 13:24:33 (well, except malicious bots) Dec 24 13:24:45 I wish ham could be taught to tell me how much space is consumed in / and /opt... Dec 24 13:25:26 like, just noticed this 50 megabyte thing in extras-testing... if it's not optified I'm in for a reflash.. Dec 24 13:26:45 * sp3000 clicks on a voteapp link Dec 24 13:26:50 ShadowJK: HAM is a dumbass anyway. Lacks a lot of basic features Dec 24 13:28:14 So Dec 24 13:28:15 whats new news Dec 24 13:28:20 on the Maemo N900 front :D Dec 24 13:28:45 DocScrutinizer: Like what? Dec 24 13:28:53 so whic app is 122 and how do I find out if I voted for it? Dec 24 13:29:32 can anyone confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7312 Dec 24 13:29:33 Bug 7312: E-mail setup wizard Region always defaults to Finland Dec 24 13:31:14 TomaszD: I remember it didn't default to Finland in earlier firmware revisions.. weird. Dec 24 13:31:38 zerojay: you have PR1.1 as well and can reproduce this? Dec 24 13:32:24 TomaszD: Yes, It says Finland and Other for me by default. Dec 24 13:32:46 finland ftw Dec 24 13:32:53 please comment then :) I found that bug a bit odd tbh Dec 24 13:33:44 TomaszD: I have PR1.1, but I can't flash it to my N900 since it's dead. :) Dec 24 13:34:02 zerojay: murderer! Dec 24 13:34:20 Damn preproduction devices and their weak USB ports. Dec 24 13:35:03 doesn't anyone else have horrible power management issues wrt WLAN with PR1.1? I had to disable PWM altogether Dec 24 13:35:34 TomaszD: I confirmed bug 7312 for you. Dec 24 13:35:35 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7312 E-mail setup wizard Region always defaults to Finland Dec 24 13:35:42 X-Fade: thx Dec 24 13:36:07 TomaszD: That problem I can't confirm. PR1.1 works with my linksys nicely. Dec 24 13:36:08 I love how now internet radio actually works now Dec 24 13:36:21 one "now" too many Dec 24 13:36:31 TomaszD: And I have been testing that for quite a while ;) Dec 24 13:36:53 X-Fade: internal builds access? ;P Dec 24 13:37:09 X-Fade: still getting emails from pyshop-commits mailing list :P Dec 24 13:37:19 help? :P Dec 24 13:37:32 rm_you: still didn't receive an email ;) Dec 24 13:37:42 If I flash my N900 will it keep the applications I installed from the repositories? Dec 24 13:37:50 lol i keep forgetting until i see you in IRC, lol Dec 24 13:37:57 gah too many lols Dec 24 13:37:59 * rm_you is tired Dec 24 13:38:27 TomaszD: wfm Dec 24 13:38:51 lo rm_you Dec 24 13:38:55 sup Stskeeps Dec 24 13:38:55 merry christmas Dec 24 13:39:07 merry xmas to you too :P Dec 24 13:39:14 god damn, WL500W is quite rare, I can't expect anyone else to have the same setup and test Dec 24 13:39:37 TomaszD: at one point i've had PSM issues disappear at wifi reboot Dec 24 13:39:42 like, theap Dec 24 13:39:43 ap Dec 24 13:39:43 just graduated last week :P so hopefully can show up here more often once i stop traveling again :P Dec 24 13:39:47 i have wl500w Dec 24 13:39:51 X-Fade: thanks Dec 24 13:39:59 thresh: do you use custom firmware? Dec 24 13:40:19 roaziel: no Dec 24 13:40:27 i'm using that oleg something i think Dec 24 13:40:39 dd-wrt Dec 24 13:40:47 Release: 10/10/09 (SVN revision: 13064) Dec 24 13:40:49 Oh. But what is the "Application List" option in the backup application? Dec 24 13:41:11 Roaziel: That will reinstall all your apps after flash/restore. Dec 24 13:41:12 thresh: ah, so completely different firmware. I'm using this http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/ Dec 24 13:41:19 it'll reinstall the apps you had Dec 24 13:41:27 by redownloading Dec 24 13:41:37 woot, no more mailing list spam from garage! :P Dec 24 13:41:39 Are ou alking about the defaul appls that came with the device or the ones I installed? Dec 24 13:41:48 alright, I'm gonna reboot the AP Dec 24 13:41:50 brb Dec 24 13:41:51 Roaziel: you installed. Dec 24 13:41:52 TomaszD: seems so. Dec 24 13:41:54 the ones you installed Dec 24 13:41:59 i can't believe it's been over a year now i think and i never bothered really dealing with that :P Dec 24 13:42:00 X-Fade: "works with my linksys nicely"... does that mean it works with powersaving on max or medium? Dec 24 13:42:07 Oh, so if I dont want to keep the apps I installd I better uncheck that option Dec 24 13:42:23 Thanks guys Dec 24 13:42:25 zerojay: I don't know what is default in tomatoe. Dec 24 13:42:35 you can untick it when you restore the backup too, I think Dec 24 13:42:46 X-Fade: in device settings for PSM Dec 24 13:42:54 X-Fade: I'm talking about the setting on the N900, not your linksys. Dec 24 13:46:51 zerojay: On (Maximum) Dec 24 13:47:23 It can idle for days. Dec 24 13:47:48 my wifi is always on, and switches to 3G when I'm going out of wifi range. Dec 24 13:49:14 zerojay: is your device really broken or just the usb connector a bit desoldered? Dec 24 13:53:32 X-Fade: I haven't been able to ever use powersaving max on ANY of my routers at all... older tablets can just fine. Dec 24 13:54:02 PaulFertser: The USB connector is more than just a little bit desoldered. It's completely lost inside my N900, but again, it was a prototype so.... Dec 24 13:54:53 zerojay: that was fixed in production models, I'm told Dec 24 13:55:18 i kinda hope so :P Dec 24 13:59:31 Zombie3: You mean "we're told". :) Dec 24 13:59:57 cool. browserd cpu-hogged device to a grinding halt. Well almost Dec 24 14:00:08 zerojay: are the pcb pads damaged? I mean is is it really hard to get it working back? Dec 24 14:00:33 DocScrutinizer51: yeah.. i am really worried about browser behaviour at times Dec 24 14:00:38 PaulFertser: I'm supposed to know that by using my x-ray vision, I guess? Dec 24 14:01:17 zerojay: i assumed you disassembled the device to see for yourself with your regular human vision. :) Dec 24 14:01:31 PaulFertser: It's a preproduction Nokia prototype. It's not mine to rip open like that. Dec 24 14:01:42 hmm, I rebooted my router, set PWM to Max and now it works fine Dec 24 14:02:07 TomaszD: told you :P Dec 24 14:02:24 lawdy lawdy, the browser is even faster than before Dec 24 14:02:28 Zombie3: no, I was personally told ;-) Dec 24 14:02:31 on n900, the file open dialogs won't go above /home/user/MyDocs. How can I rectify this? Dec 24 14:02:35 I mean zerojay Dec 24 14:02:44 TomaszD: no public announcements about behaviour ;p Dec 24 14:02:59 Stskeeps: we're all family here :P Dec 24 14:03:24 TomaszD: yeah, but logged ;) Dec 24 14:03:36 a logged family. Dec 24 14:03:37 fdv: start a battle here about user evaluation ;-) Dec 24 14:03:45 * Stskeeps yawns Dec 24 14:03:59 fdv: hack libhildonfm Dec 24 14:05:01 DocScrutinizer51: anytime ;-) Dec 24 14:05:04 fdv: bind-mount / to MyDocs Dec 24 14:05:26 Stskeeps: sounds a bit cumbersome :) Dec 24 14:05:31 fdv: at least that's been one of the ideas Dec 24 14:05:46 fdv: it's a user device, not a l33t unix hacker. if you want something as l33t unix hacker, HACK IT Dec 24 14:05:49 :P Dec 24 14:05:51 not tested yet Dec 24 14:06:01 DocScrutinizer51: thanks, I'll look into it Dec 24 14:06:50 fdv: to MyDocs/my-root of course ;-P Dec 24 14:07:11 Stskeeps: well, why do you want a debian based system in the first place? if 8 just want to be held, I can get an iphone ;-) Dec 24 14:07:34 fdv: because i can dig into things in terminal if i so want :P Dec 24 14:07:36 DocScrutinizer51: :) Dec 24 14:08:11 but requiring normal users to be exposed to everything is silly :P Dec 24 14:08:48 fdv: "user tests showed no user ever wants to know about fs tree deails. User wants access to MyDocs foo only" Dec 24 14:09:03 or the externals d Dec 24 14:09:27 Stskeeps: of course, but e.g. keeping the file open dialog in pygtkeditor limited to a vfat file system set to noexec seems pretty pointless :) Dec 24 14:10:10 DocScrutinizer51: ah, argument by besserwisserism ;-) Dec 24 14:10:37 Stskeeps: there *are* better ways :) Dec 24 14:13:41 is there a pedometer app¿ Dec 24 14:13:48 fdv: for your delight go read ~logs of this # of yesterday Dec 24 14:14:31 n900evil: wooh, spanish kbd? Dec 24 14:15:10 uh oh, huge scratch :s Dec 24 14:15:21 * ShadowJK hopes it didn't go through protector Dec 24 14:15:22 no Dec 24 14:15:32 onscreen keyboard Dec 24 14:15:40 big enough that my finger stops when swiping Dec 24 14:15:41 DocScrutinizer51: I'll do that when I get a chance. I'm a huge fan of trolls ;-) Dec 24 14:15:51 (and trolling) Dec 24 14:16:02 aaah ¿¡ Dec 24 14:16:18 shadow: what did that? Dec 24 14:16:48 n900evil: not sure Dec 24 14:17:42 :/ Dec 24 14:18:15 fdv: that's not exactly trolling though. More a clash of paradigms Dec 24 14:19:16 embedded in arguments that are quite sounding like trolling sometimes ;-D Dec 24 14:23:56 needs moar nokia update Dec 24 14:23:57 :< Dec 24 14:24:09 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how much effort a developer of a backup solution is willing to invest to keep user clean from rootfs details and still offer a convenient way to select dirs like /tmp for the blacklist Dec 24 14:24:52 * thresh thinks rsync is an ultimate backup solution Dec 24 14:26:11 thresh: would you agree rsync is obviously a non-GUI app Dec 24 14:26:22 DocScrutinizer51: well, my opinion is than one invariably in these discussions tends to focus very strongly on ones own side of things and very little on others'. There are surpriaingly often alternatives that can keep more than one side happy unless each side is convinced it knows what's best for the other. :-) Dec 24 14:27:37 DocScrutinizer51: but anyway, thanks. I didn't know about mount --bind. Dec 24 14:27:48 DocScrutinizer51: who cares :P Dec 24 14:27:50 fdv: ack. Well I mentioned the "go to" function in mac os finder Dec 24 14:27:55 there is grsync something anyway Dec 24 14:29:05 DocScrutinizer51: don't know about that, but it sounds like a viable option Dec 24 14:29:14 yep Dec 24 14:29:40 nice: ztoube can create a 'podcast' feed out of a youtube search Dec 24 14:30:12 needs a 'copy current url' or 'share' function for currently playing vid Dec 24 14:30:25 finder does exaactly same telling lies about actual fs tree. still you can enter a FQN in a textfield and thus escape to real world Dec 24 14:31:19 like "go to" '/' (enter) Dec 24 14:33:19 I wish these screen protectors werent exactly the same soie as screnen Dec 24 14:33:34 * ShadowJK can't place them precisely enough Dec 24 14:33:44 they end up running over the edges Dec 24 14:33:53 and wont stick there Dec 24 14:34:49 ShadowJK: disassemble. apply protector. place metal frame *over* protector. done Dec 24 14:34:54 mine were easy Dec 24 14:35:03 the £1.99 for 7 ones Dec 24 14:35:23 lol Dec 24 14:35:37 no cutout for the front-facing speaker though Dec 24 14:35:48 I wouldn't trust myself to not scrtch screen during that process :) Dec 24 14:35:50 ShadowJK: did this for N810. Worked great Dec 24 14:35:56 http://maemo.ixbt.com/write.shtml Dec 24 14:35:57 which was a shame as you couldn't hear very well Dec 24 14:36:11 mine has cutout for speaker.. i even managed to align it with speaker this time Dec 24 14:36:22 how much? where from? Dec 24 14:36:22 * ShadowJK has about 4 left now Dec 24 14:36:33 duratec cleartec Dec 24 14:36:37 or durasec.. Dec 24 14:37:00 i dont recommend, it gathers a zillion scratches during install even Dec 24 14:37:24 ShadowJK: could you wet-apply them? Dec 24 14:37:33 I put the nokia cloth between protector and credit card this time, and it still got scratches Dec 24 14:37:39 i doubt oit Dec 24 14:37:59 each of mine is 3 plastic sheets Dec 24 14:38:13 you peel off the back and apply to the face pushing on the front Dec 24 14:38:18 then you peel of the front Dec 24 14:38:27 leaving the 'middle' sheet on the device Dec 24 14:38:41 dead easy Dec 24 14:38:44 this is just one sheet on a paper, it rolls into a mess if you take it off the paper Dec 24 14:39:07 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=180443766610&view=all&tid=443350393008 Dec 24 14:39:10 damn friggin shit. a protector that gets scratched on applying it :-S Dec 24 14:40:13 maybe in the future we'll have technology so we dont need protectors Dec 24 14:40:30 I do wonder why Nokia don't provide them... Dec 24 14:40:42 Hey guys, I just ran into some trouble on my first attempt at flashing my N900.. When I ran the command on the cmd prompt it put out a bunch of text but at the end it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" and thats all Dec 24 14:40:57 ~flashing Dec 24 14:40:58 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 24 14:41:07 have you seen that Roaziel ? Dec 24 14:41:51 yes thats the page i was following Dec 24 14:42:16 oops, i think I managed to wedge the edge in under the screen frame/bezel using my nail Dec 24 14:42:53 accidentally Dec 24 14:43:43 lol Dec 24 14:44:04 now you need to learn how to do it intentionally Dec 24 14:45:37 anyone having n900 in the hands now? If you shake it can you notice that something particle is moving inside it? Dec 24 14:45:40 wazd, very nice article, lol Dec 24 14:45:57 i'm having such issue, seems like it's on the same side than the camera Dec 24 14:46:04 yes Dec 24 14:46:20 saltsa_, nothing moving around in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Dec 24 14:46:42 lbt, was that for me? ;) Dec 24 14:46:58 yes saltsa_ mine makes light rattle Dec 24 14:47:08 saltsa_: you mean you hear something moving? Dec 24 14:47:11 wazd, asus netbook, bahhh Dec 24 14:47:15 fragment, yes Dec 24 14:47:18 nothing moves if I just turn it but there's a light rattle if I shake it Dec 24 14:47:28 saltsa_: do you have a memory card installed? Dec 24 14:47:32 okey, so my unit isn't broken Dec 24 14:47:33 if something moves as you just rotate it then it's broken Dec 24 14:47:35 te metal hing for the mmc slot has tiny tiny movement when no mmc in Dec 24 14:47:36 fragment, no card installed.. Dec 24 14:47:44 what lcuk2 said Dec 24 14:47:45 lcuk2: sounds about right Dec 24 14:47:55 lcuk2, okey, good to know. Dec 24 14:48:09 * lcuk2 has an mmc in tho Dec 24 14:48:18 saltsa_: open the back cover and check if the SD card "holder" is locked Dec 24 14:48:27 * lbt was tempted to say it's the accelerometer relays... Dec 24 14:48:34 lol lbt Dec 24 14:48:38 check out that video Dec 24 14:48:46 fragment, it's locked but i'm still hearing the same kind of metal noise... Dec 24 14:49:08 saltsa_: hold your finger on it and then shake? Dec 24 14:49:29 fragment, still hearing... Dec 24 14:49:30 lcuk... angular momentum... pendulum Dec 24 14:49:33 stylus? Dec 24 14:49:40 battery? Dec 24 14:49:53 camera shitter Dec 24 14:49:53 VDVsx: : review apps for n900 and get n900 Dec 24 14:49:57 no stylus, neither battery I think Dec 24 14:50:03 saltsa_: do not shake it then ;) Dec 24 14:50:03 VDVsx: kind of ridiculous deal :) Dec 24 14:50:11 :) Dec 24 14:50:18 wazd, humm, translation says asus netbook, lol Dec 24 14:50:23 lbt, just dynamic orientation Dec 24 14:50:30 VDVsx: that's for loosers :) Dec 24 14:50:35 yes, it's working well, just think if it's somehow broken and will break the functionality later on.. Dec 24 14:50:39 VDVsx: "2nd place" Dec 24 14:50:44 lol Dec 24 14:50:48 lcuk2: yes, it *needs* momentum Dec 24 14:51:35 wazd, the translation is not that bad: http://translate.google.pt/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.ixbt.com%2Fwrite.shtml&sl=ru&tl=en Dec 24 14:51:36 lbt heh, thats for another day Dec 24 14:51:43 :D Dec 24 14:52:24 lbt, did oyu notice the sheep Dec 24 14:52:35 no... Dec 24 14:53:15 yes Dec 24 14:53:33 who drew that? Dec 24 14:53:45 me lol Dec 24 14:54:01 but for the sheepdog game, it needs top down rotated sprite type things Dec 24 14:54:19 and they need to be rotatable Dec 24 14:54:28 heh Dec 24 14:58:13 lbt with momentum they do silly things, when the device is practically flat they rotate around wildly already Dec 24 14:58:34 yeah - probably wouldn't work really Dec 24 14:59:39 Hello everyone Dec 24 15:00:12 hmm Dec 24 15:01:15 hmmmmm Dec 24 15:01:17 :) Dec 24 15:02:56 122 is docstogo? Dec 24 15:03:03 is there a vote log? Dec 24 15:03:56 sp3000: Not hosted at maemo.org, so don't know. Dec 24 15:04:15 guys Im trying to flash my N900 but the command prompt only says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" and stays like that... Any advice at all?? Dec 24 15:05:36 Roaziel, what are the instructions you are using to flash it? Dec 24 15:05:54 ~flashing Dec 24 15:05:56 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 24 15:05:59 that Dec 24 15:06:57 Im on a 64bit vista, but I have booted my computer with driver check disabled, as noted in the instrucktions Dec 24 15:06:59 the instructions say that is what is suppose to happen Dec 24 15:07:14 Roaziel, tried to disconnect it and reconnect it after? Dec 24 15:07:56 I did before Dec 24 15:08:25 Connect the USB cable while pressing 'u' key on the N900 Dec 24 15:08:27 did like that? Dec 24 15:08:31 Yes Dec 24 15:08:38 whil eit was switched off? Dec 24 15:08:38 It will say: Suitable USB device not found, waiting, N900: Remove USB and plug it back. Hold U to get to boot screen with usb logo in top right, letgo. Dec 24 15:09:30 "" Dec 24 15:09:40 I did that, I see the USB logo, but nothing is happening still Dec 24 15:09:59 hmmmmm is there a repository I can add to my n810 (running latest os2008) to get things like smb/cifs kernel modules, and tcpdump ? Dec 24 15:10:05 it still says the same in the command prompt Dec 24 15:10:17 I tried installing wizard mounter but it complained baout missing a package of module extras Dec 24 15:14:16 "kernel-diablo-modules-extra" maybe from the extras repository Dec 24 15:15:01 did you uncheck the "disabled" box for the maemo extras repository? Dec 24 15:18:16 Roaziel, are you doing it as root? Dec 24 15:18:50 Roaziel, nothing interfering with your USB connectivity? Dec 24 15:19:11 aliens Dec 24 15:19:25 what do you mean am I doing it as root? Dec 24 15:19:28 VMWare Dec 24 15:19:34 Roaziel, sudo? Dec 24 15:19:48 and no, I dont think anyting is interfering, but I dont really know Dec 24 15:19:51 Oh, Vista Dec 24 15:19:51 Im on Vista Dec 24 15:19:55 yeah Dec 24 15:20:00 You're on your own, then. ;) Dec 24 15:20:04 lol Dec 24 15:20:51 tank-man: That's the mpackage I was looking for. It's definitely not disabled in the application manager but checking under all installable applications doesn't show to for me to install Dec 24 15:21:24 I wiped and reflashed it recently so now I'm mtrying to reinstall everything I don't have anymore :) Dec 24 15:25:05 By the way http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/How_to_Know_how_much_power_each_component_of_your_smartphone_uses.php Dec 24 15:25:50 Ha! I did it Dec 24 15:26:25 turns out I had to go into the flashers properties and make sure it launches in Administrator mode. Coz the command prompt doesnt do that on its own Dec 24 15:40:00 woops Dec 24 15:40:08 stupid autoreplace Dec 24 15:41:33 #maemo wishes you a Merry Christmas | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | maemo.org Bugday: Dec 15th, 18:00-03:00 UTC at #maemo-bugs -> http://tinyurl.com/yl53f2j Dec 24 15:41:39 crap Dec 24 15:42:01 Remove the bugday while you are at it ;) Dec 24 15:42:22 X-Fade: who know, there might be some time travelers around here Dec 24 15:43:59 Dayum, that was some effort Dec 24 15:44:08 ~lart colloquy Dec 24 15:44:08 * infobot whacks colloquy upside the head Dec 24 15:44:18 ~pet infobot Dec 24 15:44:20 * infobot reaches over and pets infobot on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" Dec 24 15:44:31 how are you X-Fade Dec 24 15:44:32 ? Dec 24 15:44:45 ~pet himself Dec 24 15:44:47 * infobot reaches over and pets himself on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" Dec 24 15:46:32 that sounds outright schizophrenic Dec 24 15:47:22 crashanddie, Adium Dec 24 15:47:38 Grab the latest from hg or the beta from their site Dec 24 15:47:39 crashanddie: A bit of pre christmas chill out. Not doing much ;) Dec 24 15:47:40 back now Dec 24 15:47:43 Way better than Colloquy Dec 24 15:47:58 GAN900: I don't like adium Dec 24 15:48:22 GAN900: I don't like colloquy that much either, but I it's less worse Dec 24 15:48:49 s/I i/i/ Dec 24 15:48:49 oy infobot Dec 24 15:48:49 crashanddie meant: GAN900: I don't like colloquy that much either, but it's less worse Dec 24 15:48:52 there you go Dec 24 15:48:57 Moscow got quasi-imax Avatar :( Dec 24 15:49:07 Adium is better, trust me. Dec 24 15:49:24 proper sound, proper tech but lowres Dec 24 15:49:29 Sony 4k HD is higher resolution and higher framerate than IMAX Dec 24 15:49:34 looked awesome anyway :) Dec 24 15:49:42 It's just on a smaller screen Dec 24 15:49:45 wazd: do you an N900 yet? Dec 24 15:49:56 crashanddie: no Dec 24 15:49:57 have** Dec 24 15:49:59 * pupnik got out of the familiy obligations :D Dec 24 15:50:01 Closest IMAX Avatar was 300 miles away for me. Dec 24 15:50:04 wazd: when are you getting one? Dec 24 15:50:13 crashanddie: I suppose never :D Dec 24 15:50:16 why? Dec 24 15:50:22 we need you to have one, don't we? Dec 24 15:50:26 You're our best designer Dec 24 15:50:38 you're a bloody pain in the arse, but you're still the only designer who's worth a damn Dec 24 15:50:43 GAN900: Well, IMAX is the most comfortable 3D format to watch Dec 24 15:50:52 GAN900: light and big glasses Dec 24 15:51:04 crashanddie: I don't need it to design :) Dec 24 15:51:16 ho ho ho :D merry christmas Dec 24 15:51:21 hey seb \op Dec 24 15:51:25 -p Dec 24 15:51:31 hey lcuk2, what's up guv? Dec 24 15:51:45 wazd: so you don't want one? Dec 24 15:51:46 * RST38h does not understand why you would want to watch Avatar when there is DrWho Dec 24 15:51:51 * RST38h ducks Dec 24 15:51:56 just debugging stuffs, and spinning things around Dec 24 15:51:58 RST38h: dr who is tomorrow right? Dec 24 15:51:58 RST38h: die :D Dec 24 15:52:08 RST38h: No, seriously, it's epic :) Dec 24 15:52:16 Rs Dec 24 15:52:22 dr who ftw! Dec 24 15:52:22 RST38h, not here. Dec 24 15:52:24 crashanddie: well, I *want* but I *can't afford* one :) Dec 24 15:52:44 GAN: Torrent! Dec 24 15:52:45 I'm tempted to do the christmas thingy Dec 24 15:53:05 crashanddie, which way is up Dec 24 15:53:16 crashanddie: anyway, as you can see in my countdown, I'm doing pretty fine without actual device :) Dec 24 15:53:24 lcuk2: north pole is still closest Dec 24 15:53:28 RST38h, kinda defeats the purpose of going to see it in theaters instead of Avatar Dec 24 15:53:50 Cameron is da man, Again :) Dec 24 15:53:50 GAN: Ah, I prefer seeing it in the comfort of my bedroom, on N900 Dec 24 15:53:55 wazd, I just want to know why the former US Marine kept slipping into an Australian accent. Dec 24 15:54:07 RST38h, that's no theater experience. Dec 24 15:54:10 crashanddie, i seem to have given up on landscape/portrait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Dec 24 15:54:25 GAN900: our translation failed at translating accents :) Dec 24 15:54:27 GAN: Maybe he is a naturalized alien Dec 24 15:54:35 wazd, it's too bad the story was so week and the morality so black and white Dec 24 15:54:43 wazd, oh, right, dubbed Dec 24 15:54:45 Suck Dec 24 15:54:46 lcuk2: well, Nokia weren't true to their word either Dec 24 15:54:57 GAN900: dubs btw were awesome Dec 24 15:55:00 mmm which word was that Dec 24 15:55:14 lcuk2: providing portrait browser before christmas Dec 24 15:55:22 GAN900: looks like they were supervised by US Dec 24 15:55:32 A better story and some grittier morality would've taken the movie up to Dark Knight levels Dec 24 15:55:34 GAN900: WAY better that ordinary russian dubs Dec 24 15:55:53 wazd: aren't russian dubs usually the english soundtrack and just 2 guys talking over it? Dec 24 15:56:02 crashanddie: 1 guy :D Dec 24 15:56:05 Too much FernGully meets Surrogates Dec 24 15:56:13 wazd: every time I'm in Ukraine that's what I see on telly -- one guy doing all the male actors, one chick doing all the females Dec 24 15:56:39 GAN900: PM Dec 24 15:57:02 crashanddie, where? Dec 24 15:57:08 IRC Dec 24 15:57:10 well, story is a but over-straight but visuals were epic Dec 24 15:57:18 I was like :-O Dec 24 15:57:37 (8-O Dec 24 15:57:53 3D glasses? ;) Dec 24 15:58:00 * wazd forgit IMAX googles Dec 24 15:58:03 :D Dec 24 15:58:08 goggles Dec 24 15:58:12 damn google :D Dec 24 15:58:54 But I've found DOF a bit overacted Dec 24 15:58:55 lcuk2: how's the new job coming along? Dec 24 15:59:06 crashanddie: there are different quality dubs nowadays Dec 24 15:59:22 crashaddie: Some of them are pretty good, others are more...hmm...budget. Dec 24 15:59:37 I remember talking to this Brit in Kiev Dec 24 16:00:13 he was saying that he was installing an HD recording studio for nearly every TV station in eastern Europe, Africa Dec 24 16:00:39 they're paying literally millions, and nearly no-one of the general population will have access to HD televisions before the next 15 years Dec 24 16:00:40 crashanddie, great, doign many different things Dec 24 16:00:44 oh, and Avatars were awesome Dec 24 16:00:48 * lcuk2 is debugging things atm Dec 24 16:00:55 lcuk2: you're working? Dec 24 16:01:00 lcuk2: on Christmas eve? Dec 24 16:01:10 lcuk2: gtfo and go spend time with your family, numbnuts Dec 24 16:01:11 SSigourney Weaver replica was brilliant :) Dec 24 16:01:18 they are out shopping Dec 24 16:01:29 * lcuk2 dislikes cattlemarket Dec 24 16:01:37 SS Igourney Weaver? That's a bit neo-nazi, isn't it? Dec 24 16:01:57 maybe, but she would kick the aliens' ass Dec 24 16:02:24 More like she got her ass kicked Dec 24 16:02:30 I'm an alien Dec 24 16:02:50 Scientist < cargo transport crew Dec 24 16:03:20 I was waiting Weaver to operate exo-suit :D Dec 24 16:03:50 But no, Cameron didn't want any references :) Dec 24 16:04:30 crashanddie, in which country tho Dec 24 16:04:38 lcuk2: france Dec 24 16:04:49 south of Dec 24 16:04:49 wazd, those battlemechs were silly Dec 24 16:05:10 Why do they have to carry oversized assault rifles. . . . Dec 24 16:05:31 Shoulder mounted miniguns with optical tracking. ;) Dec 24 16:05:51 GAN900: what about bloody knife? :D Dec 24 16:05:58 lol Dec 24 16:06:09 Yeah, that was bad too Dec 24 16:06:26 you gotta be dual wielding macho soldier, cant have pansy shoulder mounted guns Dec 24 16:06:30 GAN900: bad? It was like "wait, wha?!" Dec 24 16:06:40 Yes, so random Dec 24 16:06:52 No reason to give a mech a giant knife Dec 24 16:06:58 a decent gun is one of those hip mounted uber ones from aliens Dec 24 16:07:02 maybe he had giant spoon with him Dec 24 16:07:07 lol Dec 24 16:07:55 N900 update Dec 24 16:07:57 cometh soon plz Dec 24 16:07:58 :( Dec 24 16:08:28 has there been any word about the portrait-enabled browser? Dec 24 16:09:05 Nokia has 22 minutes before they're out of time Dec 24 16:09:32 what happens then? the world comes to an end?-( Dec 24 16:10:12 nope, it's close-of-business in Europe, and the official deadline for Nokia comes to pass Dec 24 16:10:45 there was an official deadline for portrait browsing? Dec 24 16:11:14 well, Ari said in Amsterdam that we'd have it "before Christmas" Dec 24 16:12:13 It's been delayed, I believe Dec 24 16:12:57 well, when I got Quim's email this morning, it was pretty obvious it was going to be delayed Dec 24 16:13:26 crashanddie: I would not be so sure about nobody having HD access Dec 24 16:13:56 RST38h: please upgrade your bullet-time, that conversation flew by a few hours ago :P Dec 24 16:13:59 crashanddie: 2/3 of the local soaps are already shot in HD (for DVD distribution, if nothing else) Dec 24 16:14:07 crashanddie: Sorry, I am still at work Dec 24 16:14:27 well if the pr1.1 firmware is out for testing now, thats a good thing, cos now everyone will have time to find and report anything odd Dec 24 16:14:34 crashanddie: And the commercial digital TV is also done in HD now Dec 24 16:14:48 lcuk: Not me :) Dec 24 16:14:55 RST38h: studios doing it is one thing Dec 24 16:15:07 RST38h: ha-ha (again) :) Dec 24 16:15:08 RST38h: people being able to buy an HDTV-enabled television is another thing Dec 24 16:15:17 * RST38h moos at wazd woefully Dec 24 16:15:23 * wazd ducks Dec 24 16:15:31 crashanddie: no problemo to buy one Dec 24 16:15:34 720p is possible on cortex a8 Dec 24 16:15:39 crashanddie: just costs more money Dec 24 16:15:55 and money isn't what people have in rural Ukraine Dec 24 16:15:57 of course, fairly simple stuff, but still Dec 24 16:16:00 RST38h: local=russan? Karmelita HD? :D Dec 24 16:16:12 Hi guys, 2 quick question. Where can I find the account-plugin-haze, and is it stable? are there any major risks? Dec 24 16:17:08 wazd: Most of 'em - notice how there are always black stripes at the top//bottom of the screen Dec 24 16:17:27 * RST38h not sure he wants to know what Karmelita is though Dec 24 16:17:40 average salary in the Ukraine is what, 1500 hryvnia per month? Dec 24 16:17:40 RST38h: lucky man :) Dec 24 16:17:52 * thresh doesnt know what it is either Dec 24 16:17:54 (roughly $200) Dec 24 16:17:57 crashanddie: people do not buy these on average salaries Dec 24 16:18:25 crashanddie: they steal/pilfer/receive kickbacks and buy luxury stuff Dec 24 16:19:08 crashanddie: check the number of black Porshe Cayennes at the Kiev streets (unless it was replaced as the fashionable car recently) Dec 24 16:19:37 RST38h: yeah, it's amazing that sometimes you see people with bentleys, jags, lambos driving around Dec 24 16:19:50 though the bentley retailer closed shop this summer Dec 24 16:19:51 that's former SU, nothing amazing about it :) Dec 24 16:21:10 crashanddie: Crisis? Ran out of money to steal? =) Dec 24 16:31:31 anyway, I'm off for the night Dec 24 16:31:47 everyone enjoy yourselves, take care of your loved ones, and talk to you later Dec 24 16:32:06 crashanddie, happy holidays Dec 24 16:37:24 soo, I guess using lookup tables instead of sin(x) is faster in n900 level hardware? Dec 24 16:37:39 as is using fixed point math instead of floating point? Dec 24 16:37:47 (faster as in significantly faster) Dec 24 16:42:18 generally, yes Dec 24 16:42:28 Is there a somewhat recent gnu make package available for n900 somewhere? Dec 24 16:42:32 while there may be an FPU, it's not typically a great FPU Dec 24 16:42:40 well optimised ntegger will usually spank it. Dec 24 16:42:49 neger Dec 24 16:42:51 integer Dec 24 16:55:57 there is an evopedia port on garagae Dec 24 16:56:38 lol, they're giving away litle webbooks on the View Dec 24 17:05:54 Right, should prep for the Xmas party we're having here. Dec 24 17:18:59 Anyone know what the situation is with account-plugin-haze? is it safe to use? Dec 24 17:20:26 I don't think anyone has found any problems with software - even from extras-dev - that will do worse than make you flash the device again, and lose all your data Dec 24 17:20:57 Lol, yeah but I want to avoid doing that :P Dec 24 17:21:28 I Used it before, and I had to flash my device but I have no way of knowing if the problems I had were because of Haze Dec 24 17:21:33 haze is the irc one? Dec 24 17:21:51 No, Haze is the one with MSN, Yahoo, AIM, etc etc Dec 24 17:39:44 SpeedEvil: (any worse) well I'm waiting for my xchat script to get me on freenode blacklist permanently. That's probably worse than need for a reflash Dec 24 17:41:50 scripts suck Dec 24 17:43:18 LMFAO Dec 24 17:43:23 facebook wants my email password Dec 24 17:44:07 muhaha Dec 24 17:44:38 Listen, if you use facebook, you are a sheep, a tool, and an assmonkey. Dec 24 17:44:42 :) Dec 24 17:44:45 xchat script? Dec 24 17:44:47 just wanted google to know that Dec 24 17:50:10 n900evil: manual ghosting and nickchange sucks. As do frequently changing nicks Dec 24 17:54:54 n900evil: check # logs of 18.dec. I posted a pastebin URL to jebba suggesting he is "free to copy it" Dec 24 17:55:56 n900evil: basically it's a file with one xchat cmd per line Dec 24 17:56:59 n900evil: and a 'LOAD -e (FQN of script)' in xchat's startup on-connect command setting Dec 24 17:58:51 n900evil: oops. scratch that jebba note. that's been a different topic Dec 24 18:23:18 hi Dec 24 18:23:31 how to remove the back panel on my n900? -_- Dec 24 18:23:34 hi Dec 24 18:23:53 brute force Dec 24 18:23:57 :O Dec 24 18:24:18 john the ripper ;) Dec 24 18:24:26 Noobi: seriously Dec 24 18:24:53 waiz Dec 24 18:24:55 really? Dec 24 18:25:14 Noobi: around the right speaker there's a space Dec 24 18:25:40 Noobi: you can put the stylus there and use it to remove the back panel Dec 24 18:25:47 neither should break Dec 24 18:25:48 need s atrong fingernail and force Dec 24 18:25:48 Noobi: feels as if you'd break it but that's how you do that Dec 24 18:26:02 DocScrutinizer51: or use the stylus instead of a fingernail Dec 24 18:26:03 :> Dec 24 18:26:28 I'm concerned about the stylus ;-P Dec 24 18:26:29 crap Dec 24 18:26:33 i hope i didnt break it Dec 24 18:26:34 hello Dec 24 18:26:43 it seriously separated the camera and the rest? Dec 24 18:26:47 Noobi: it didn't. it only sounds bad Dec 24 18:26:56 ok Dec 24 18:26:58 Noobi: no. just the lens Dec 24 18:27:06 Noobi: the camera body is inside Dec 24 18:27:29 uhm Dec 24 18:27:32 not even lens Dec 24 18:27:42 lens are with the rest of the camera body Dec 24 18:27:47 er Dec 24 18:27:49 and...the sim? Dec 24 18:27:53 only the camera cover is on the back cover Dec 24 18:27:59 and the sim is under the battery Dec 24 18:28:10 wow Dec 24 18:28:15 its like a... Dec 24 18:28:30 again, you can use the stylus to remove the battery Dec 24 18:28:46 it's like it was never meant to be opened at all Dec 24 18:28:48 i know Dec 24 18:28:51 µSD is also in there Dec 24 18:28:51 i already removed it Dec 24 18:28:52 exactly Dec 24 18:29:06 its all like a freaking brain-teaser Dec 24 18:29:07 DocScrutinizer51: well, why do you need to open it? Dec 24 18:29:14 Noobi: no, not really. Dec 24 18:31:27 where is the startup nokia logo located? /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/startup_nokia_logo.png to be something else Dec 24 18:31:58 +seems Dec 24 18:32:21 which logo? Dec 24 18:32:36 just when booting you get a blue nokia logo Dec 24 18:33:12 err Dec 24 18:33:44 wonder if thats in bootloader Dec 24 18:33:47 probably compiled into the kernel Dec 24 18:33:51 yep Dec 24 18:33:53 yes Dec 24 18:33:53 bootloader Dec 24 18:34:18 from what I read on the forum you could change that on the n800 Dec 24 18:35:03 you can replace the shaking hands anim Dec 24 18:35:14 yeah that's easy Dec 24 18:37:11 n900evil: need details bout xchat scripting? Dec 24 18:38:04 not really atm. Dec 24 18:38:10 k Dec 24 18:38:51 how to get it to not seg on pref save ou;d be nice tho. Dec 24 18:39:32 lol yeah Dec 24 18:39:47 moo all Dec 24 18:40:01 mooo back Dec 24 18:40:12 RST38h: : remoo Dec 24 18:40:31 wazd: how are things? Dec 24 18:41:10 RST38h: lots of work :( Dec 24 18:41:21 that's normal... Dec 24 18:42:28 too many morons with red coat to kickass? ;-P Dec 24 18:43:44 wazd: easy, get ill Dec 24 18:44:27 that sucks. tell ya that Dec 24 18:44:33 * RST38h is afraid it won't work for wazd Dec 24 18:44:43 yeah :D Dec 24 18:44:44 worked for me :) Dec 24 18:45:50 * DocScrutinizer51 coughs and sneezes Dec 24 18:45:59 wonderful Dec 24 18:46:12 Bad file descriptor at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 240 Dec 24 18:46:28 heh Dec 24 18:47:13 as long as it's no 'stale NFS lock' and you never had and nfs mounts Dec 24 18:47:31 s/and/any Dec 24 18:54:37 hardaker: wrong shell? Dec 24 18:54:54 turned out it was a missing DEBIAN directory Dec 24 18:55:00 (now I have a different error) Dec 24 18:55:15 cannot chdir te debian/libval7 Dec 24 18:55:20 which exists, so i'm confused again. Dec 24 18:55:37 and I'm not sure what's telling me that (maemo or debian build) Dec 24 19:12:15 Hey guys is there any way to add FLV support to the video player? Dec 24 19:13:24 doubt it Dec 24 19:13:29 mplayer plays flv Dec 24 19:13:49 some 10* faster than flash Dec 24 19:14:12 codec-support adds flv support to mediaplayer i think Dec 24 19:14:21 no that can't be right. everything is faster in flash! Dec 24 19:14:30 friggin mediaplayer doesn't know how to do rst subtitles Dec 24 19:14:57 it makes a crappy cup of coffee too Dec 24 19:14:58 or I'm too stupid to tell it to do Dec 24 19:15:21 Raz: the decode package in extra repo claim to bring flash support to the N900 Dec 24 19:15:24 It doesn't support subtitles and it can't be made to support subtitles Dec 24 19:15:39 Raz: although i have not tried it to see if this works. Dec 24 19:15:42 flash video container format support Dec 24 19:16:04 ShadowJK: well that's a statement at least Dec 24 19:16:23 lies Dec 24 19:17:02 hi guys Dec 24 19:17:09 HI! Dec 24 19:17:16 supposedly it's "simple" to compile subtitle support for gst, and another player could use it with the dsp/iva2 accelerated decoders Dec 24 19:17:38 correct Dec 24 19:18:02 Sorry I was away... Dec 24 19:18:03 merry x-mas to all Dec 24 19:18:30 merry x-mas Sir_Lancelot Dec 24 19:18:47 santa didnt bring me any navigation maemo apps for xmas :( Dec 24 19:18:52 The reason I want the default media player to play FLV is because it has that local network media sharing thing. As far as I know mplayer doesnt have that Dec 24 19:18:59 I have tons of flv files on my computer Dec 24 19:19:13 I dont wanna have to import them evey time I wanna watch one Dec 24 19:19:21 who stores their media as flv... Dec 24 19:19:34 I d, coz I grab them off of websites Dec 24 19:19:37 and I dont convert Dec 24 19:19:39 Raz, Decoders Support fails? Dec 24 19:19:54 whats that? Dec 24 19:19:58 TomaszD: just noticed that too Dec 24 19:20:20 a package that is supposed to make flv work, among other things Dec 24 19:20:28 Raz read the channel backlog... Dec 24 19:20:38 it pulls the flv decoder and registers flv Dec 24 19:20:38 TomaszD: Raz just tried a flv file on my N900 and it failed to recognise it, decoder #fail Dec 24 19:20:55 Oh you have that decoder? Dec 24 19:21:48 ok Ill try the docer now Dec 24 19:22:50 the app manager on n900 is so shitty... Dec 24 19:22:59 wow, it works Dec 24 19:23:11 Sir_Lancelot, wait for PR1.1 Dec 24 19:23:17 it doesn,t tell us which apps are maemo5 compatible and which are not Dec 24 19:23:17 Thanks guys Dec 24 19:23:46 i'm quite eagar tomaszd Dec 24 19:23:49 ;) Dec 24 19:24:12 Raz, np, consider this an xmas present, coz I made that package Dec 24 19:24:52 when will pr1.1 available for general public? Dec 24 19:24:59 will be Dec 24 19:25:15 Sir_Lancelot, how the hell do you expect it to guess? Dec 24 19:25:37 Arkenol, even us community testers don't know Dec 24 19:25:40 Sir_Lancelot, easy solution is to use only Fremantle repos. Dec 24 19:25:56 but let me tell you, it's worth the wait Dec 24 19:26:06 TomaszD, sush. Dec 24 19:26:34 what, no specifics Dec 24 19:26:34 TomaszD, it wasn't distributed for people to do marketing. :P Dec 24 19:26:36 :) Dec 24 19:26:41 lol Dec 24 19:26:43 GAN900 you tell me Dec 24 19:26:45 zhs, no opengles Dec 24 19:26:52 err. Dec 24 19:27:08 i know nothing about linux Dec 24 19:27:58 Sir_Lancelot, OK, will do, there isn't an easy or reliable way. :) Dec 24 19:28:16 Unless you just tell it to only use fremantle for the repo distro. :) Dec 24 19:28:34 So, stick to repositories for Fremantle. Dec 24 19:31:23 TomaszD, what are requirements for update? Did it go smoothly, do i need certain amount of free space on / , whatever? Dec 24 19:32:00 Arkenoi, no comment. Dec 24 19:32:02 :) Dec 24 19:32:29 i dont think it's within the scope of ham to help people who add lots of random repos... Dec 24 19:32:38 Arkenoi, all updates will be pushed through h-a-m via the repos. Dec 24 19:35:03 i will do so Gan900 thanks for the advise Dec 24 19:35:28 hmm, I installed few apps today Dec 24 19:35:33 none of them will show up in the 'more' section :/ Dec 24 19:36:31 what apps? Dec 24 19:36:41 flashlight, liqtorch Dec 24 19:36:59 and some other flashlight app from extras-devel Dec 24 19:37:12 needed some light because I lost my glasses :/ Dec 24 19:37:28 and peogeut's lamp is useless Dec 24 19:37:39 flashlight will not show up there Dec 24 19:37:43 oh Dec 24 19:37:45 why not? Dec 24 19:37:57 open the cover Dec 24 19:38:00 tested liqtorch the day I received my n900 Dec 24 19:38:13 shut the app down Dec 24 19:38:15 open the menu Dec 24 19:38:44 liqtorch how ever should appear in the more section Dec 24 19:39:21 enabling extras-devel made the application manager start really really slowly Dec 24 19:39:29 yes Dec 24 19:39:31 it feels like it's re-creating the manifest each time Dec 24 19:40:21 it is deleting every 13th byt of your / Dec 24 19:40:24 byte Dec 24 19:41:33 TomaszD opened camera cover, shut down the camera app, then what? Dec 24 19:41:39 ahh Dec 24 19:41:41 foudn it Dec 24 19:41:42 found* Dec 24 19:41:48 that is brilliant Dec 24 19:41:56 exactly what I needed, though now it is too late :D Dec 24 19:42:45 Meow Dec 24 19:42:51 Lantizia are you a cat? Dec 24 19:42:55 Yes Dec 24 19:43:17 The first cat to use an N900 successfully, I'm in the Guiness Book of Records you know Dec 24 19:43:27 I was about to complain about poor battery life, then I remembered mencoder in the background. Dec 24 19:43:33 I sense a good sense of humour Dec 24 19:44:21 I sense a disturbance in the farce. Dec 24 19:44:38 battery.charge_lever.percentage = 48 (0x30) (int) Dec 24 19:44:44 I sense your senses. Dec 24 19:44:51 the battery icon shows roughly 75% though :P Dec 24 19:45:41 Milo-: that's all guesswork and handwaving Dec 24 19:46:08 the command line seems to be more accurate than the picture Dec 24 19:46:38 the battery icon is always overly optimistic on nokia :) Dec 24 19:46:53 though, unplugged the phone from charger this morning, indicator showed green, meaning it's full Dec 24 19:46:58 checked command line and it said 90% :P Dec 24 19:47:19 that's ok Dec 24 19:47:31 my e71 had funny battery icon Dec 24 19:47:36 it was either full, or empty Dec 24 19:47:51 Have you put synapse into extras-devel Milo- ? Dec 24 19:48:14 it showed full for few days, and then it all suddenly goes from full to empty in few hours Dec 24 19:48:25 almost all battery icons are non-linear. They are 100-80% 50% of the time and then discharge quickly. dunnon why. Dec 24 19:48:26 and then the empty shows until it runs out of memory Dec 24 19:49:00 Lantizia synapse? Dec 24 19:49:09 Whos got Synapse Milo- ? Dec 24 19:49:16 who what where? Dec 24 19:49:20 runs out of mem?? o.O Dec 24 19:49:30 DocScrutinizer51 yes Dec 24 19:49:45 e71 has a funny bug which makes it run out of memory, a bug that nokia can't fix Dec 24 19:49:55 bug called *cough* symbian *cough* Dec 24 19:50:09 lol Dec 24 19:50:11 the memory isn't actually full Dec 24 19:50:17 but the operating system wants some attention Dec 24 19:50:27 and then all it can do is show 'out of memory' warnings Dec 24 19:50:33 Do you reckon Nokia may develop a symbian application layer for linux? (like wine is a windows application layer) ? Dec 24 19:50:40 sine perhaps ? :D Dec 24 19:50:51 use all your old Nokia apps on Maemo based Nokia phones Dec 24 19:50:57 yes, it's called Qt Dec 24 19:51:02 Lantizia anyways, no idea what you were talking about with that synapse-thingy Dec 24 19:51:09 Ah but your apps would have to be ported to Qt Dec 24 19:51:23 eeew nightmare Dec 24 19:51:34 Lantizia but according to a friend who works for nokia-symbian, most of the new apps are written in Qt. Dec 24 19:51:40 I mean a 100% compatible application layer, both maemo and symbian are now open source - Nokia controlling both Dec 24 19:51:54 Milo-, not all third party ones tho Dec 24 19:52:03 of course not all third party ones Dec 24 19:52:04 Anyway Synapse is in Java Dec 24 19:52:14 I think it started when people began comparing "i charged yesterday and still got full bars" Dec 24 19:52:24 but you have to be a complete idiot to develop symbian code if you choose between qt and symbian Dec 24 19:52:40 so they just made the first bar go away at 50% Dec 24 19:52:58 Oh sure... but if Nokia ever wanted to wean people off Symbian and off to Maemo... then a compatibility layer would go a long way Dec 24 19:53:05 100%compatible is so much work... Dec 24 19:53:29 not really realistic Dec 24 19:53:32 especially when Symbian isn't 100% compatible with itself. Dec 24 19:54:05 true :) Dec 24 19:54:14 and then emulating that out-of-mem bug... NOOooooohoho Dec 24 19:54:15 Are we expecting the new open source "Symbian" (rather than "Symbian OS") based on S60 5th... to be on new devices soon? Dec 24 19:54:37 not even Nokia is able to writr symbian apps that work on more than a handful of devices Dec 24 19:55:17 I like the look of that new Qt IDE they've released Dec 24 19:55:27 Might drop my learning of GTK+ and look at that instead Dec 24 19:55:38 It can compile for it all... lin, win, maemo Dec 24 19:55:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6yUCbqAGrg santa @ jack bauer Dec 24 19:55:39 ShadowJK: actually a sine could be better on that than real symbian platforms Dec 24 19:56:05 DocScrutinizer, well it would be uniform I suppose Dec 24 19:56:18 i dont want to install any qt software, I suspect the qt4-gui and friends aren't optified Dec 24 19:56:23 Sine is not an Emulator Dec 24 19:56:24 :D Dec 24 19:56:45 sine --type=E71 symbianAPP Dec 24 19:56:54 yeah :) Dec 24 19:57:02 sine-dpkg -i app.sis Dec 24 19:57:18 well drop the d lol Dec 24 19:57:52 it's just silly to rewrite an entire obsolete OS, by the time you're done it will have been properly dead for 5 years Dec 24 19:58:03 well who says it's obsolite!? Dec 24 19:58:20 if this new "Symbian" based on S60 5th is meant to be coming Dec 24 19:58:26 symbian is obsolete Dec 24 19:58:31 it can't do multitouch Dec 24 19:58:40 too complicated addition Dec 24 19:58:42 well I don't see Nokia promising all phones will go Maemo do you? Dec 24 19:58:47 ShadowJK: yeah' like wine Dec 24 19:58:59 :) Dec 24 19:59:37 Does Nokia have a name for that pre-symbian OS they used to use on really old (or low cost) phones? Dec 24 19:59:51 I wonder if OMW will reach 10k downloads by 2010 :) Dec 24 20:00:13 wazd, the weather app? Dec 24 20:00:25 Lantizia: yes Dec 24 20:00:55 lantizia: they still use Dec 24 20:00:56 s40 Dec 24 20:00:56 s30 too Dec 24 20:01:21 sure but if this new "Symbian" drops that silly notion and is coded to work on all past nokia devices Dec 24 20:01:22 I wonder if liqtorch is a spyapp Dec 24 20:01:36 spying on what Dec 24 20:02:11 I'm just saying I don't think Symbian is dead... Nokia have a place for it and it's place is devices that are meant to be phones as their primary function Dec 24 20:02:13 lol Dec 24 20:02:23 no idea. Just noticed it's way to many bytes for what it does. And even needs wget o.O Dec 24 20:02:24 Maemo will probably remain for devices that are portable computers as their primary function Dec 24 20:02:38 but phones will die out anyway over many many years Dec 24 20:02:58 DocScrutinizer, libliqbase does Dec 24 20:03:08 the torch specifically doesnt Dec 24 20:03:26 scary shit Dec 24 20:04:30 why does it take so long to open ovi maps and application manager? Dec 24 20:04:32 why is it scary? Dec 24 20:04:59 ovi maps is like this gigantic javascript in the browser Dec 24 20:05:45 hey DocScrutinizer did you know the browser contains stuff to connect to *shock* web servers! Dec 24 20:06:09 Milo-, you said it can't do multitouch - i don't think maemo can either Dec 24 20:06:41 it's a stupid metric. Dec 24 20:06:43 or rather if it can, then I don't see the functionality in my n900 Dec 24 20:06:45 lcuk2: I don't need other people to make myself look like a fool Dec 24 20:07:08 Lantizia it's on the features-list of maemo6 Dec 24 20:07:35 Milo-, and will maemo6 be available for N900 users? Dec 24 20:07:39 Lantizia no Dec 24 20:07:45 I don't know why multitouch is important, but for some reason it is :/ Dec 24 20:07:50 well thats pretty shitty Dec 24 20:08:11 Lantizia besides, the screens for N900 and earlier models don't support multitouch Dec 24 20:08:19 wrong type of screen Dec 24 20:08:20 1 OS for 1 Device... thats how it's gonna be forever and evert Dec 24 20:08:49 and very few people try to do anything about it Dec 24 20:08:52 zooming with two finger is kind of cool Dec 24 20:09:02 they just buy the next one Dec 24 20:09:10 melmoth that's the only thing anyone can think of when multitouch is mentioned Dec 24 20:09:16 well contract I'm on for the N900 ends in 18months... will have to see what maemo device is available then Dec 24 20:09:20 bbl Dec 24 20:09:28 isoHunt RIP Dec 24 20:09:34 is that the only useful thing for multitouch? Dec 24 20:09:35 * Arkenoi does not think there is any need in multitouch for zoom as there are hardware zoom keys Dec 24 20:09:44 RST38h another torrent site killed? Dec 24 20:09:48 Milo-: who told maemo6 won't be avail for N900? Dec 24 20:09:56 using multitouch for rotate is more handy, but do you really need it? Dec 24 20:09:59 DocScrutinizer51 tekojo did Dec 24 20:10:00 it s not needed, it s just cool Dec 24 20:10:01 Milo: looks like it Dec 24 20:10:27 the method of xooming is unimportant imo, the key thing is that it's something that can be used everywhere, and that it responds Dec 24 20:10:35 DocScrutinizer51 well, through a simple update Dec 24 20:10:43 of course you can change the operating system as you wish with flashing Dec 24 20:11:04 but that, again isn't for the non-technical users Dec 24 20:11:32 the browser's spinzoom and hwkey zoom always work, doubletap zoom only work when browser isn't busy, and there's no indicator to tell you when browser isn't busy... Dec 24 20:11:49 there is too many apps in -devel, not enough apps in -testing and definitely too low amount of apps in extras Dec 24 20:12:00 hwkey zoom?? Dec 24 20:12:11 sound buttons Dec 24 20:12:17 I think? Dec 24 20:12:19 aah Dec 24 20:12:26 forgot Dec 24 20:12:27 using the rocker keys Dec 24 20:12:40 Milo-, help out then Dec 24 20:12:52 no idea what to do with devel packages Dec 24 20:13:00 file bugs a bout -testing, speak to the devs about -devel, let them know the bits that are good/bad/indifferent Dec 24 20:13:04 help them to make their minds up Dec 24 20:13:06 been testing some useful looking apps in -testing Dec 24 20:13:13 but the maemo site is always down when I want to give thumbs up Dec 24 20:13:15 or report bugs Dec 24 20:13:20 * lcuk2 nods Dec 24 20:13:51 an application from -devel crashed my whole more section yesterday Dec 24 20:14:02 wanted to report it and the page wouldn't load :/ Dec 24 20:14:36 maybe santa will bring new servers :) or at least the new year lol Dec 24 20:14:47 buy em in the january sales :D Dec 24 20:14:53 I really wish Nokia had a logo for Maemo Dec 24 20:14:55 'new year lol' Dec 24 20:15:06 the new year lol Dec 24 20:15:19 Emailed Sygic to ask them to stop using the chopped up maemo.org logo they're using now. Dec 24 20:16:16 I'm too afraid to touch anything out of extras that isn't absolutely necessary. it's the curse of n900, it has become so useful and integral part of my day I couldn't do without it if something from -testing blows rootfs away Dec 24 20:16:51 extras is ok isnt it? Dec 24 20:17:04 -testing also as long as you go in with a clear head Dec 24 20:17:09 I meant outside of extras Dec 24 20:17:16 Anyone know why some video files on the N900 are played with some weird lines across the screen? Dec 24 20:17:25 and -devel is just wild wild west, but have you actually found something that completely kills stuff? Dec 24 20:17:31 GAN900: is there any site describing the somewhat obscure relations between maemo and nokia, hw and sw, finnland and US? Dec 24 20:17:31 afaik it's required for ectras apps to use /opt not / Dec 24 20:17:31 would be academic interest to know Dec 24 20:18:04 there's that 3d demo in -testing now that eats 40 megs in / or something ;) Dec 24 20:18:23 c something.. Dec 24 20:18:25 thats not completely killing things tho is it Dec 24 20:18:33 DocScrutinizer51, what's obscure? Dec 24 20:19:07 Maemo Devices is a division in Nokia that develops Maemo and the hardware it runs on. Dec 24 20:19:20 hola RevdKathy Dec 24 20:19:24 Hiya Dec 24 20:19:36 You saved my life last night - bet yo never even noticed Dec 24 20:19:53 GAN900: responsibilities and information flow between all those entities Dec 24 20:19:56 rly? how? :D Dec 24 20:20:15 the cold has taken out my outside light and I had to get down two flights of granite steps covered in black ice. Dec 24 20:20:25 yikes! Dec 24 20:20:25 DocScrutinizer51, Maemo Devices is just like any other department within a large company. Dec 24 20:20:45 That's when I remembered I had a torch on the device I was carrying round my neck... and got down safely Dec 24 20:20:47 Are you perhaps confusing Maemo with maemo.org? Dec 24 20:20:47 GAN900: ooh. thanks for clarifying Dec 24 20:20:54 hurrah! Dec 24 20:21:14 DocScrutinizer51, only interesting thing is that they're an R&D division. Dec 24 20:21:53 * lcuk2 was singing baa baa black sheep last night o_O Dec 24 20:22:45 The sheep on your liqbase video looks seasick from all that motion Dec 24 20:22:56 were you watching your fglocks by night? Dec 24 20:22:56 the rotation one? Dec 24 20:23:13 yeah - I reckon that sheep be turning green Dec 24 20:23:17 its so cool how they stay upright :D Dec 24 20:23:31 yes, it is :) Dec 24 20:23:36 very. very clever Dec 24 20:23:36 the sketches look like they are walking Dec 24 20:23:41 :D Dec 24 20:23:53 I look forward to sheep in our field doing that Dec 24 20:24:03 indeed, i needed rotating sketches Dec 24 20:24:11 for top down rotatability stuff Dec 24 20:24:46 Anyone know if theres a way to skip back and forward in a video file when streaming on a local network? Dec 24 20:24:53 can they not simply spin so they're facing 'nose down' with the acceleromoter? Dec 24 20:25:02 yes, now they could Dec 24 20:25:11 before last night i couldnt rotate them anyway Dec 24 20:25:42 ive had a little code comment in my program for months saying "//rotate here" but didnt put the code in Dec 24 20:25:47 ahhh so that was a big breakthrough! Dec 24 20:25:55 Great - well done! Dec 24 20:26:14 * GAN900 sighs Dec 24 20:26:21 Sick for Christmas Dec 24 20:26:25 indeedy :D Dec 24 20:26:26 :( gan Dec 24 20:26:38 lcuk2: got any xmas presents for me? Dec 24 20:26:44 maemo releated? Dec 24 20:26:51 you can have that one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Dec 24 20:26:58 Oh no, GAN900 - what's up? Dec 24 20:27:14 Sore throat Dec 24 20:27:15 if you want to optify the lib for me so i caor this one http://liqbase.net/liqflow.stars.test.20091224_018.jpg Dec 24 20:27:20 Front end of a cold Dec 24 20:27:22 damn Dec 24 20:27:26 I had 'flu last Christmas - 1st time in 20 years I didn't work Christmas day Dec 24 20:27:32 oh that's rough Dec 24 20:27:33 ceron rather, or this one http://liqbase.net/liqflow.stars.test.20091224_018.jpg Dec 24 20:27:36 'least I'm not down with the flu! Dec 24 20:27:38 ecinacea and garlic Dec 24 20:27:43 GAN900, lemsip and early bed Dec 24 20:27:43 and lots and lots of whisky Dec 24 20:27:47 else santa wont come Dec 24 20:27:53 Been gargling salt water Dec 24 20:28:01 Santa's been letting me down for years :( Dec 24 20:28:13 santa comes every christmas Dec 24 20:28:16 GAN900: Be glad. I'm down with the flu. :/ Dec 24 20:28:21 but those damned teddy bears hide the evidence Dec 24 20:28:21 lucky ols Santa Dec 24 20:28:27 lcuk2: ;__; is that your drawed? Dec 24 20:28:34 zerojay, N900 dead, flu for the holidays. Dec 24 20:28:39 You have 'flu, serojay? That;s rough Dec 24 20:28:40 Ceron, mmm the rotating sketches yeah Dec 24 20:28:46 very creative Dec 24 20:28:50 GAN900: Yep... the gifts keep coming. :) Dec 24 20:28:53 every sketch in liqbase can do it now, the calendar looks funky Dec 24 20:28:56 zerojay, I'm beginning to think god hates you for being Canadian. :P Dec 24 20:28:59 liqflow with real stars is cool Dec 24 20:29:03 ever tought about selling it as art? D: Dec 24 20:29:10 RevdKathy: I haven't worked since last Wednesday.. been over a week now. Dec 24 20:29:13 lcuk2: :D Dec 24 20:29:26 liqflow with stars??? Dec 24 20:29:33 GAN900: lol. I wanted to cry when I got that e-mail about PR1.1 testing from Daniel. Dec 24 20:29:36 yeah kath Dec 24 20:29:44 http://liqbase.net/liqflow.stars.test.20091224_018.jpg Dec 24 20:29:47 oh Serojay, I am sorry. Flu is horrid. I had it last Christmas and was off for a fortnight Dec 24 20:29:56 RevdKathy: shawty :) Dec 24 20:30:06 RevdKathy, thats just so you didnt have to go in work Dec 24 20:30:12 hey, i have a question about the n900. If I get one in the US, will it work in the UK on a UK network? Dec 24 20:30:20 Oh the stars!!!! Love it! Dec 24 20:30:26 zerojay, ehehe Dec 24 20:30:27 I tried going to work yesterday because I felt better, but all my coworkers were running away from me at the office. lol Dec 24 20:30:32 RevdKathy, but it can be any sketch Dec 24 20:30:43 So I chased them around the office for 20 minutes before coming home. Dec 24 20:30:43 tho big ones go slow, i had christmas tress Dec 24 20:30:45 I love working Christmas - I missed the parties and the carol singing Dec 24 20:31:10 The building I work in hired carollers. Dec 24 20:31:12 zerojay, I also finally got tab on here. Dec 24 20:31:20 Zerojay - you aren't oinking, are you? Not grown a curly tail? Dec 24 20:31:32 Was nice... until they scared the living shit out of me in the food court and I dropped my pizza straight to the floor. Dec 24 20:31:42 Ahaha Dec 24 20:31:58 celesteh: yes Dec 24 20:32:07 Working for the hospital they don't thank you for turning in infectious - I got sent hom. Dec 24 20:32:12 They were only upstairs and stopped an hour before. They surrounded me and started and I almost pissed myself. Dec 24 20:32:22 waste of good pizza! zerojay Dec 24 20:32:56 person on the floor below was glas you didnt have an accident Dec 24 20:32:56 It was kind of funny hearing 9 people sing "we're sorrrrryyyyyy." Dec 24 20:33:13 glad Dec 24 20:33:16 LOL! Dec 24 20:33:51 * lcuk2 lost an n900 earlier Dec 24 20:34:15 Bad reflash or something, right? Dec 24 20:34:31 no, actually lost it Dec 24 20:34:32 'lost'? You let it out alone and it couldn't find its way home? Dec 24 20:34:34 i couldnt find it Dec 24 20:34:40 lcuk2, can you SSH in? :P Dec 24 20:34:58 GAN900, it was on hspa i didnt know the ip Dec 24 20:35:02 I lost a computer like that once. Dec 24 20:35:11 lol Dec 24 20:35:24 Could SSH... didn't know where it was in my apartment though. Dec 24 20:35:25 cat /dev/urandom > /dev/soundcard (whatever it actually is ) Dec 24 20:35:39 Shadikka, yeah Dec 24 20:35:42 Shadikka: That works wonders when the computer has a soundcard, sure. Dec 24 20:35:52 haha :D Dec 24 20:36:14 I only ended up finding it when I moved out. Dec 24 20:36:27 Behind a dresser. Dec 24 20:37:48 must have been a long way out from the wall Dec 24 20:38:16 No, it was a really slim box. Dec 24 20:38:34 Still - you'd think you'd have noticed Dec 24 20:39:00 Yeah, you'd think. Dec 24 20:39:07 everytime he opened the drawers he heard the windows chimes Dec 24 20:39:27 lol... haven't used windows at home in over 10 years. ;) Dec 24 20:39:37 must be dark in your house Dec 24 20:39:40 :D Dec 24 20:39:54 my sheevaplug has great potential to be physically lost Dec 24 20:39:56 lol Dec 24 20:40:18 I lose all sorts of things... but always know where the technology is Dec 24 20:40:53 I lose shit all the time. Dec 24 20:41:03 And I'm not very organized. Dec 24 20:41:32 Cleaning my stuff is like a treasure hunt... never know what I'll find. Dec 24 20:43:00 My work desk had 4 PS2 games, 3 PSP games, the japanese PSP Go camera, two DS games and about a thousand pixelblocks when I cleaned out before my move to Halifax. Dec 24 20:43:23 pixelblocks=? Dec 24 20:43:45 last time i move house, in september, i was cleaning the main table where the computer is. on the bootom of a stack of paper, there was a "welcome to your new appartement" from the electricity company Dec 24 20:44:03 They're like little lego blocks but made specifically to reflect light. Dec 24 20:44:10 Let me show you an example or two. Dec 24 20:44:11 * melmoth love stacks Dec 24 20:45:20 zash: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3274523690/ Dec 24 20:45:38 The Mario ? block and Megaman on my desk there are made of the pixelblocks. I think I have a better pic somewhere. Dec 24 20:46:00 Oh, little Link is pixelblock also. Dec 24 20:46:16 * lbt looks at his N900 contacts and calendar appointments on local syncml (egroupware) server and smiles :) Dec 24 20:46:39 zerojay: nice :D Dec 24 20:52:38 ok, Time n900 and I recharged. Got a full and long day tomorrow - early start. Dec 24 20:52:49 G'night all Dec 24 20:52:59 And Merry Christmas!!!!! Dec 24 20:54:04 nighty night Dec 24 20:55:27 melmoth: I like stacks too, they're an integral part of most programs Dec 24 20:58:29 hello world Dec 24 20:58:48 does maemo 5 support 26 character WEP keyed APs? Dec 24 20:59:22 Has anyone gotten esbox working on ubuntu karmic, for me it just hangs with an empty box Dec 24 21:01:21 hi Dec 24 21:02:57 i wanted to download irreco, and i heard its in the "extras-devel" repo. How do enable it:? Dec 24 21:03:00 wepwpavictim, dunno, but by your nick it sounds like you have been trying to find out Dec 24 21:04:33 LuciusMare, the repository for extras-devel is configured the same way as extras, just with a different folder name. however there are other dodgy apps there, if you are after a specific thing, grab it and then re-disable your devel Dec 24 21:04:41 lcuk2: i'm visiting a home Dec 24 21:04:57 there's a computer which seems to think it's using wep to connect to a router Dec 24 21:05:06 my n900 claims the same AP is WPA, not WEP Dec 24 21:05:21 thanks Dec 24 21:05:33 and when i give it the hex password (either all caps, or all lowercase), as written on the AP, and as shown by the web admin ui Dec 24 21:05:39 it fails Dec 24 21:05:57 i'm wondering if my n900 could be getting confused about WEP v. WPA Dec 24 21:06:04 and Dec 24 21:06:40 n900 has a fm transmitter, do i have to install any extra app? Dec 24 21:06:46 no Dec 24 21:07:07 wepwpavictim, pass totally, never had anything odd wifi connection wise Dec 24 21:08:15 luciusmare: you control the transmitter from settings... Dec 24 21:08:26 ok Dec 24 21:08:37 also from the menu in media player Dec 24 21:08:57 oh, and what is the ur. pf extras Dec 24 21:09:04 anyone got a script for finding the biggest offenders in / ? Dec 24 21:09:23 what is the url of extras_devel? Dec 24 21:10:31 poorly optified packages hall of shame: bounce: 21Mb, vim: 24Mb!, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg: 10Mb, mplayer: 42Mb (omfg!) Dec 24 21:10:36 odd, my other phone can't connect to this network either Dec 24 21:10:54 LuciusMare: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel Dec 24 21:11:02 Arkenoi: write a package to fix those :) Dec 24 21:11:07 uqm-data: 11Mb Dec 24 21:11:58 thx Dec 24 21:12:06 yw Dec 24 21:12:49 and, one last thing, what is a good irc cliemt for maemo 5? Dec 24 21:13:01 Arkenoi: You are wrong I think Dec 24 21:13:02 I'm wondering the same thing Dec 24 21:13:11 LuciusMare: xchat or irssi for starters Dec 24 21:13:22 Arkenoi: bounce does not thake that much on / Dec 24 21:13:36 RST38h, that's how kertan's script reports it Dec 24 21:13:48 check carefully something is wrong Dec 24 21:13:59 i guess that irssi is also in extras-devel... Dec 24 21:15:48 Arkenoi, vim is optified as is uqm. Dec 24 21:15:54 LuciusMare: -testing Dec 24 21:16:20 I believe Bounce is as well Dec 24 21:16:24 yes Dec 24 21:16:27 so it must be the script did not recognize it somehow Dec 24 21:16:34 mplayer hasn't even really been updated for Fremantle. Dec 24 21:16:40 why don't you write your own script? Dec 24 21:16:51 mplayer has been recently optified afaik Dec 24 21:17:09 RST38h, just becasuse there already was one ;-) Dec 24 21:17:16 god... Dec 24 21:17:22 Arkenoi: which apparently did no work. Dec 24 21:17:24 not Dec 24 21:17:32 so extras-testing? Dec 24 21:17:37 Yes Dec 24 21:18:30 I'm thinking about working on an idle plugin for the comm framework, but have to see if I actually have any time for that Dec 24 21:19:05 I'd really like to get notifications from irc, since 99.9% of my IM conversations happen there Dec 24 21:19:19 I think I saw idle plugin in extras-devel Dec 24 21:19:21 XChat Dec 24 21:19:41 ShadowJK: There is one, yes, but based on karma and comments it's completely broken Dec 24 21:19:46 im really disliking this random delay my operator has on delivering SMS push messages... Dec 24 21:19:51 And yeah, xchat is there too, but it crashes on settings... I think someone found a patch in fedora's repo or somewhere.. Dec 24 21:19:58 ShadowJK: Another thing is that the goal is to have a separate connection to irc anyway, which is a no go Dec 24 21:20:00 frals :D you found my youtube then Dec 24 21:20:15 aye, cool vid that was with the rotation Dec 24 21:20:19 Unfortunately unlike Jabber and skype, IRC doesn't really handle multiple devices using the same account at the same time... Dec 24 21:20:24 just checked twitter.. not watching it that closely :P Dec 24 21:20:27 So I need something that can work with irssi-proxy Dec 24 21:20:45 Hukka: notifications from IRC? rather simple with xchat Dec 24 21:20:50 XChat Dec 24 21:20:57 holy... :O Dec 24 21:20:58 Hukka, I use xchat with irssi-proxy Dec 24 21:21:46 67 percent / filled Dec 24 21:21:53 Premade irc clients can't really handle it as well as I'd like Dec 24 21:22:07 i have like three or five apps installed! Dec 24 21:22:10 The problem with plain irssi-proxy is of course that you see only the messages sent when you are online Dec 24 21:22:27 You cannot access any backlog, unlike with integrated skype, jabber or email notifications Dec 24 21:22:49 Hukka: bip Dec 24 21:22:55 odd, my mac connects and claims it is indeed wpa-personal Dec 24 21:23:19 DocScrutinizer51: That's new to me. I'll look into it, thanks Dec 24 21:23:24 I think I tried using dircproxy to replay backlog on reconnect Dec 24 21:23:33 But it didn't work out as well as I wanted it to Dec 24 21:23:42 is 67 percent of / filled a lot or not? Dec 24 21:24:02 not really Dec 24 21:24:08 DocScrutinizer51: Features seem to have what I need. Does it work in practice? Dec 24 21:24:18 m Dec 24 21:24:25 it scared me Dec 24 21:24:51 needs a little work to accept time parameter to backlog command Dec 24 21:24:52 in case of fill-brick,will nokia replace my device? Dec 24 21:25:05 Now that was nice ;P Dec 24 21:25:16 Forgot to take my USB cable with me -> transferring files with Bluetooth Dec 24 21:25:27 Around 80% of a 290Mt file, phail Dec 24 21:25:31 What about xchat, does it handle disconnections well? Dec 24 21:25:50 I mean that if I simply cut the data packet connetion and later put it on, does xchat reconnect automatically? Dec 24 21:25:59 I'm at 80% too Dec 24 21:26:18 hm, dunno, I use openvpn to create an always-on path to my server Dec 24 21:26:46 ShadowJK: USB is dog slow anyway for me, wlan seems to be over 5 times faster Dec 24 21:27:00 ShadowJK: You keep your connection up always? Dec 24 21:27:07 yes Dec 24 21:27:11 How many spare batteries do you have :? Dec 24 21:27:22 I keep it on edge most of the time, it uses far less power than 3g Dec 24 21:27:26 especially for irc Dec 24 21:27:35 How can you limit it? Dec 24 21:27:36 how do you force connection type? Dec 24 21:28:08 setup -> phone -> network mode Dec 24 21:28:09 iirc Dec 24 21:28:16 connection must be down when you change it Dec 24 21:28:22 Oh Dec 24 21:28:33 Why make it so difficult *sigh* Dec 24 21:28:41 Seems like a trivial way to save power Dec 24 21:28:56 indeed Dec 24 21:28:57 ... Dec 24 21:29:26 Hm, it has options of dual, 3g and gsm Dec 24 21:29:29 at home my n900 automatically switches to my wlan, and all my APs do PSM nicely Dec 24 21:29:30 openssh client and vim does not seem to be optified at all Dec 24 21:29:41 yeah gsm is better for irc Dec 24 21:29:50 Does 3g mean that then it's not possible to use the phone? Dec 24 21:29:51 i do wifi anyway most of the time, it just might help when roaming the streets Dec 24 21:30:05 Hukka, no you can still use the phone, as long as you are in 3G coverage Dec 24 21:30:19 Why is that option there at all? Dec 24 21:30:29 I mean what use is limiting only to 3g Dec 24 21:30:53 Some people want to lock it to 3g for the better speeds Dec 24 21:31:08 But surely in dual it uses 3g when available anyway Dec 24 21:31:19 controlled by the operator Dec 24 21:31:24 So they only lock themselves out, if the signal is too bad Dec 24 21:31:30 If there's weak 3g signal and strong gsm signal it might prefer gsm Dec 24 21:31:35 Hm, I see Dec 24 21:32:17 !! Dec 24 21:32:30 The damn thing rebooted on me, when I was changing settings Dec 24 21:32:35 :( Dec 24 21:32:46 how long have you had yours? Dec 24 21:32:53 Since 4. Dec 24 21:32:54 cat /proc/bootreason when it's back up Dec 24 21:33:04 So 20 days Dec 24 21:33:28 sw_rst Dec 24 21:34:06 cat /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets Dec 24 21:34:08 or something like that.. Dec 24 21:34:51 openssh client and vim does not seem to be optified at all Dec 24 21:35:04 I know that openssh isn't optified for sure Dec 24 21:35:30 /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer:1 /usr/sbin/browserd -d: 1 Dec 24 21:36:00 I think that's restarts Dec 24 21:36:05 they don't cause a reset Dec 24 21:36:12 I can only wonder... how long until somebody ports emacs? :P And secondly, how the _hell_ would you use it on a N900 (or any other phone for that matter) :D Dec 24 21:36:23 ShadowJK: Ah, correct Dec 24 21:36:26 I ported uemacs once Dec 24 21:36:31 It might have been a kernel OOPS too, in that case /dev/mtd2ro (iirc) will contain the oops (followed by tons of NULLs) Dec 24 21:36:39 It tab-completed to that directly from the folder Dec 24 21:36:59 So I don't know where I can see resets Dec 24 21:38:23 ShadowJK: is that dodcumented anywhere? Dec 24 21:39:17 ShadowJK: Well, there's a stacktrace, but can't infer much from it Dec 24 21:40:07 DocScrutinizer51, it was in the bugzilla bug regarding random reboots Dec 24 21:40:27 kernel resets on oops, oops get stored in a rotating log in /dev/mtd2 Dec 24 21:40:31 ShadowJK: thanks for the pointer Dec 24 21:40:43 Dec 24 21:40:52 it should probably be one of hte top bugs if you check out the Bug Jar thread thingy on mailing list or forum :) Dec 24 21:41:01 RST38h, hey how do I.. start things.. Dec 24 21:41:03 i found the rom Dec 24 21:41:09 RST38h: duh how did you mamage THAT? Dec 24 21:41:19 Dec 24 21:41:21 aah Dec 24 21:41:26 ShadowJK: simply unpack the rom file to some directory Dec 24 21:41:38 ShadowJK: and open it when starting colem Dec 24 21:42:01 I don't know if the game started or not Dec 24 21:42:29 Colecovision\nturn game off\before inserting cartridge\nor expansion module Dec 24 21:43:00 OK, RST38h, voted. Dec 24 21:43:04 Shadow: that is not started Dec 24 21:43:07 GAn: Thanks! Dec 24 21:43:21 * ShadowJK is lost then :) Dec 24 21:43:24 Shadow: You should have selected the rom file Dec 24 21:43:26 a moment Dec 24 21:43:52 * RST38h will put kevtris online Dec 24 21:44:00 oh wait Dec 24 21:44:07 I think I picked the zip accidentally ;) Dec 24 21:44:54 ShadowJK: http://fms.komkon.org/Kevtris.rom.gz Dec 24 21:45:11 so how do I press a button Dec 24 21:45:32 same as in all my other emulators Dec 24 21:45:40 enable "Show Cues" and see Dec 24 21:45:56 keyboard will work too Dec 24 21:46:35 I think I managed to hang a key :_) Dec 24 21:47:55 hm Dec 24 21:48:05 irssi looks nice Dec 24 21:48:34 wait,change,nicks are white on white background Dec 24 21:49:18 luciusmare, you know you can switch the xterminal colors too Dec 24 21:49:24 ooh Dec 24 21:49:26 yellow/green on black is great :P Dec 24 21:49:34 how? Dec 24 21:49:43 hm, making it live in /opt would be a pretty painless wouldn't it? Although it's only 250ish k Dec 24 21:49:52 Hmh, xchat didn't seem that nice Dec 24 21:50:05 ShadowJK: Both painless and useless I am afraid Dec 24 21:50:09 I don't get any notifications, even when I return to the xchat window Dec 24 21:50:11 hukka yeah but its nice for fast access if not using ssh/irc/screen Dec 24 21:50:11 useless? Dec 24 21:50:12 ShadowJK: It is pretty tiny Dec 24 21:50:17 every bit helps ;) Dec 24 21:50:37 ifreq: I have an icon on my desktop, that opens irssi from the server... Dec 24 21:51:00 But that doesn't autoconnect or anything, when I'm online Dec 24 21:51:06 I'd like notifications like I get from skype Dec 24 21:51:11 hukka, so why testin xchat then :P Dec 24 21:51:13 Vibration and everything Dec 24 21:51:21 ifreq: Someone said it works for them :) Dec 24 21:51:32 I thought that there's at least a visual notification somehow Dec 24 21:51:49 LuciusMare: on open xterm, tap Xterminal on top. choose font Dec 24 21:51:55 Hukka: huh? which notifications? Dec 24 21:51:55 change bg and fg Dec 24 21:51:57 And I could have skimped on the vibration, if I get close enough without any work Dec 24 21:52:10 ifreq> LuciusMare: on open xterm, tap Xterminal on top. choose font Dec 24 21:52:15 and change colours Dec 24 21:52:18 * ShadowJK clicks the thumbs up and nothing happens Dec 24 21:52:29 DocScrutinizer51: Something that makes me go to the window. Even a big notification that's visible on window changer would work Dec 24 21:52:32 hrr Dec 24 21:53:01 ShadowJK: probably needs you to log in or something Dec 24 21:53:20 Buuuut, I guess I'll still keep the idle plugin on my todo list, hoping that somebody makes a good one sooner than later :) Dec 24 21:53:20 Yeah it did that. Then it dumped me back to the page. Then I click the thumbs up and nothing happens Dec 24 21:53:51 Hukka: I have a beep and vibrator set up for all notification evens configured in .xchat2/notifyer or sth like that Dec 24 21:53:54 * RST38h facepalms at maemo.org Dec 24 21:54:12 I mean, firefox doesn't even react to the click Dec 24 21:54:16 DocScrutinizer51: Oh wow. That sounds good Dec 24 21:54:32 shadowjk: reload Dec 24 21:54:35 * RST38h reloads Dec 24 21:55:05 DocScrutinizer51: How can you make it vibrate, an external command or is there device support in xchat? Dec 24 21:55:19 external cmd Dec 24 21:55:35 actually, even shift+reload Dec 24 21:55:50 I did that, no change Dec 24 21:55:59 DocScrutinizer51: Where can I find reference on that kind of utilities? Dec 24 21:56:11 I disabled javascript, and did another shift-reload, and a heart icon appeared below the thumbs up, and report icons appeared next to comments.. heh Dec 24 21:56:12 Might be useful to know what else I can do to the device from command line Dec 24 21:56:34 I clicked the heart. Dunno what it does, and maemo.org hasn't replied yet :-) Dec 24 21:57:36 weird crap...maybe try with..heheh...IE? =) Dec 24 21:57:39 organ testament Dec 24 21:57:57 oh it was add to favourite Dec 24 21:58:16 RST38h, it'd take me a few days to get a XP/Vista/whatever disc shipped and installed? Dec 24 21:58:23 Hukka: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433355#post433355 Dec 24 21:58:28 Dec 24 21:58:43 Alternative Routes of Obtainment (tm) Dec 24 21:58:55 I mean, like a MSDN membership or such *nodnod* Dec 24 21:59:01 or Dreamspark if you happen to be a student. Dec 24 21:59:50 I'm not Dec 24 22:00:43 I'hah, it worked with https Dec 24 22:01:04 so broken.. Dec 24 22:02:00 * RST38h politely asks the Tentacled One to suck the brains out of whoever decided to use this sorry excuse for CMS on maemo.org Dec 24 22:02:34 ShadowJK: Thanks! Need to find one more guinea pig and... Dec 24 22:03:52 np Dec 24 22:04:24 maemo.org is sooooo slooooooow x_X Dec 24 22:04:43 - Getting to IRC with a single poke at the screen (open terminal, connect, login and resume screen) Dec 24 22:04:46 oh my Dec 24 22:04:49 rst: ? Dec 24 22:05:12 n900: what? Dec 24 22:05:38 wondering why pigs. Dec 24 22:06:19 sigh. xchat scroll is bad. Dec 24 22:07:04 n900evil: because all monkeys have been euthanised. Dec 24 22:07:13 Hukka: http://pastebin.com/fca2ad91 Dec 24 22:07:23 see mechanical turk Dec 24 22:07:47 I have kind of a strange "problem" :P Dec 24 22:07:57 I'd like to do some Python magic on the N900, but can't think of anything <_<' Dec 24 22:08:14 looks like emelFM2 is the ugliest application i ever seen ;-) Dec 24 22:08:26 the most mysterious indeed Dec 24 22:08:41 anyways, there is midnight commander Dec 24 22:08:45 of course it's getting slow, it's christmas eve, all the geeks are logging on Dec 24 22:09:05 anyone know if there's a way to get the N900 terminal to use aliased fonts? :) Dec 24 22:09:55 aliased? Dec 24 22:10:06 are you mad? Dec 24 22:10:18 he means antialiased Dec 24 22:10:26 it's a 280dpi screen Dec 24 22:10:44 well, I'm using 10pt font, and it kinda gets blurred out into nothing Dec 24 22:10:45 I think he means aliased Dec 24 22:10:55 dont use tiny fonts Dec 24 22:10:57 I most certainly mean non-anti-aliased :) Dec 24 22:11:01 ah Dec 24 22:11:07 got it Dec 24 22:11:17 tiny jaggy sharp fonts Dec 24 22:11:21 I use minimum size, black on white, looks okay Dec 24 22:11:39 let the limitations of your eyes do the blending for you Dec 24 22:12:16 I'm usin about 6pt and it's _sharp_ Dec 24 22:12:31 maybe 7 Dec 24 22:12:43 you people are just not kind ot your eyes Dec 24 22:12:58 Well, it doesn't exactly harm them :P Dec 24 22:13:01 Just tire them a bit. Dec 24 22:13:12 I use 9pt or 10pt depending on the situation myself. Dec 24 22:13:27 pretty much have to use monospace bold at that size Dec 24 22:13:29 10pt is about my limit on N900 Dec 24 22:13:41 Hukka: and of course edit sound.conf Dec 24 22:13:48 I can use much smaller on N810, even much smaller when measured in physical displayed size of the font Dec 24 22:13:55 the n910 better have a brail screen Dec 24 22:14:14 and a steam-powered CPU Dec 24 22:14:17 by 7pt - I mean 7/64ths of an inch Dec 24 22:14:19 and color fax Dec 24 22:14:27 And a coffee brewer! Dec 24 22:14:34 the final fax Dec 24 22:14:48 and holodeck generator Dec 24 22:15:07 mind control and x-ray camera Dec 24 22:15:12 and a paper tape reader/writer, for swap Dec 24 22:16:01 projector would be nice Dec 24 22:16:04 Ok. Sleep. Dec 24 22:16:08 Hukka: sound.conf : http://pastebin.com/f13c93193 Dec 24 22:16:09 anti-grav field Dec 24 22:16:16 I dropped mine today =/ Dec 24 22:16:20 * RST38h just wants a physically bigger screen. Dec 24 22:16:20 no harm was done though Dec 24 22:16:39 well, no *physical* harm, emotionally though ... Dec 24 22:16:54 hehe Dec 24 22:18:50 RST38h: when do we get fold-out screens? Dec 24 22:21:18 merry christmas all Dec 24 22:22:01 Likewise. Dec 24 22:28:47 y Dec 24 22:31:08 RST38h, do i remember someone making a punchcard reader using a webcam Dec 24 22:31:39 lolwut Dec 24 22:31:39 heh that,s geeky Dec 24 22:31:46 no one has made a protobuf package for maemo yet? Dec 24 22:32:12 * AakashPatel shall Dec 24 22:33:28 sorry for the newb question, but why does my esbox list no build targets (e.g. "FREMANTLE_X86") when I try to create the pyqthelloworld project? is it because I might not have pyqt installed in scratchbox? Dec 24 22:33:40 hmph, I was hoping to run oprofile per instructions from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/oprofile, but apparently the stock n900 doesn't come with oprofile kernel support (nor a module). is the module available somewhere? Dec 24 22:33:43 c++ project templates were created just fine Dec 24 22:34:15 The wizard does propose "Scratchbox 1 (/scratchbox/)" as a group, but no nodes underneath Dec 24 22:35:53 gaah, serves me right, the documentation said at the beginning where the module is :-) Dec 24 22:38:34 * Gadgetoid_mbp munches a carrot Dec 24 22:38:47 ladies and gentlemen. The illusion is complete. Dec 24 22:39:46 lä ny meit syytä Dec 24 22:40:25 ww Dec 24 22:40:25 .. Dec 24 22:40:38 step away from the kossu Dec 24 22:40:48 gakksi Dec 24 22:41:12 Tomten stod pÃ¥ tomten! Dec 24 22:41:26 ShadowJK: my 1M mobile internet has 1-2KB/sec for irssi atm.. Dec 24 22:41:29 so a bit laggy Dec 24 22:41:35 Tomten är en bög! Dec 24 22:42:00 DocScrutinizer51: Ok, thanks. Was absent for a while, giving hints to my father on supcom Dec 24 22:42:01 Gadgetoid_mbp: pon-pon-pata-pon Dec 24 22:42:08 SprÃ¥kfascister kan komma när de ser ett komma! Dec 24 22:42:22 I cannot find anywhere how to become root on the n900. could someone gimme a hint? :) Dec 24 22:42:50 wazd: pata-pata-pon-pata Dec 24 22:42:59 Tanuva: hint: rootsh Dec 24 22:43:11 Gadgetoid_mbp: fever! Dec 24 22:43:16 Tanuva: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Dec 24 22:43:21 wazd: i genuinely lolled Dec 24 22:43:42 But then I also laughed at: One snowman said to the other: "Do you smell carrots?" Dec 24 22:43:48 ali1234: thanks :) Dec 24 22:44:12 Hukka: xchat has a bug yet. it segfaults on saving prefs. so you need to edit the files in .xchat2 Dec 24 22:44:14 Gadgetoid_mbp: oh my :) Dec 24 22:44:48 DocScrutinizer51: I thought that was a feature! Dec 24 22:45:27 vi has a better UI than the non-maemo5erized XChat prefs anyway Dec 24 22:45:59 lol Dec 24 22:46:37 hi Dec 24 22:46:48 hai! Dec 24 22:46:54 how do i copy gsm contacts from sim? Dec 24 22:46:56 I should definitely grab xchat to my forge Dec 24 22:48:17 LuciusMare: ##n900 Dec 24 22:48:58 * Gadgetoid_mbp notes that 3 of the people in that room are somehow him Dec 24 22:49:24 oh look... i'm online! Dec 24 22:49:32 lies Dec 24 22:49:33 your offline Dec 24 22:49:57 Xisdibik: .... Dec 24 22:50:05 YOU HAZ POWAZ!!! Dec 24 22:50:13 I haz big powaz Dec 24 22:50:38 why the extra # Dec 24 22:50:59 Apparently it's a freenode condition for "lesser" channels Dec 24 22:51:07 for "corporate" Dec 24 22:51:33 for "clan" and "sect" Dec 24 22:53:01 so theres #n900 and ##n900 Dec 24 22:53:41 there is #noseers too Dec 24 22:58:24 this channel has 433 can we invite some people so we can beat #gentoo ! it would be a nice Christmas Gift for all.. Dec 24 22:59:15 need 336 only :/ Dec 24 23:00:55 removing contacts wi.. remove them also on the "real" xmpp acc? Dec 24 23:02:13 type_t there is more than one way to skin a cat. but theres plenty of time Dec 24 23:03:00 i know how for real! Dec 24 23:03:29 grab the tail and pull as hard as you can.. Dec 24 23:06:13 ouch, I dont want to know ... Dec 24 23:14:45 found the flasher, now where are the images? Dec 24 23:15:42 Wow, 8mb of (unused) gpg eating mai root Dec 24 23:16:49 get some FIASCO images Dec 24 23:17:49 Hmmm I'm working on a project that depends on a different project Dec 24 23:18:00 yay, my app actually works Dec 24 23:18:08 But what if htat other project doesnt make it into extras by the time mine does Dec 24 23:18:10 Ah. Kids in bed. In-laws in bed. Presents under the tree (and over the rest of the floor). Cup of tea and a QI. Perfick. Dec 24 23:18:11 what would i do? Dec 24 23:18:31 AakashPatel interesting Dec 24 23:19:11 Yeah, I'm planning on creating a Protobuf project and a Google Voice project becuase Google Voice will depend on protobufs Dec 24 23:19:34 So I'm wondering what I would do if the protobuf project doesnt make it into the extras repo by the time Google Voice app does Dec 24 23:20:17 AakashPatel: Anything in `Depends' is pulled up with it Dec 24 23:20:21 Jaffa, dont forget to clomp around on the roof, drink the milk and take a bite out of the carrot Dec 24 23:20:22 Ohh Dec 24 23:20:24 Sweet Dec 24 23:21:11 <3 madde Dec 24 23:21:29 "Please provide detailed, accurate description of your project and what garage resources and in which way you plan to use." Dec 24 23:21:35 What garage resources? Dec 24 23:21:49 lol Dec 24 23:21:50 File hosting? Dec 24 23:21:56 lcuk: Milk? Normally sherry, but was brandy this year - and I've been in the loft (after x glasses of wine) :) Dec 24 23:22:30 AakashPatel: Just to be sure - you realise a Garage project has NO relation whatsoever to publishing software in Extras, right? Dec 24 23:23:10 * lbt sync'ed his contacts/calendar from n900 to egroupware/ldap :) Dec 24 23:23:12 Smily: MADDE is cool; looking forward to seeing it fully integrated into SDK for Maemo 6 developers and Qt Creator Dec 24 23:23:12 Oh wait whatt Dec 24 23:23:29 Jaffa: Then where would I publish projects to be put into the repos? Dec 24 23:23:31 sadly one way atm Dec 24 23:23:39 Jaffa i'd like it fully integrated for Maemo 5 too :P Dec 24 23:24:03 DocScrutinizer51: You wouldn't happen to know a way to activate the flash light, would you? Dec 24 23:24:17 AakashPatel: Garage provides "typical" software project resources, e.g. version control; web site hosting etc. To publish to Extras you need to just push a variety of files at the auto-builder. It doesn't care where those files have come from. Dec 24 23:24:21 it doesn't seem that far away, i was able to hax it in a bit, isn't pretty but it half works at least :) Dec 24 23:24:44 AakashPatel: i.e. http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Dec 24 23:24:48 Hukka: sure. use flashlight Dec 24 23:24:51 Oh Dec 24 23:24:55 Okay thanks for the link Dec 24 23:25:21 * n900evil tries apt-get upgrade as a last ditch unbuggerer. Dec 24 23:25:26 Oh, wow. Finally Dec 24 23:25:28 Will this "OrangeBox" never stop staring threads? Dec 24 23:25:31 applause !! for .. Dec 24 23:25:32 It's been weeks Dec 24 23:25:32 AakashPatel, use anything but garage for project hosting, seriously =) Dec 24 23:25:34 AakashPatel: If you have nowhere else to version control your software, and want to collaborate, and don't want to use Sourceforge, Codehaus, Gitorious, Google Code, ... then you can apply for project space on Garage. Dec 24 23:25:38 He's opening a thread a day Dec 24 23:25:41 I was only aware of that simple app that makes the screen white Dec 24 23:25:56 Okay Dec 24 23:26:14 Hukka: nah that's spyw... err nonsense ;-P Dec 24 23:26:31 the app is called flashlight Dec 24 23:26:38 although I thought garage projects count for karma? Dec 24 23:26:38 Yeah, google gave it to me Dec 24 23:26:54 Didn't exist two weeks ago, so hadn't notice Dec 24 23:26:58 +d Dec 24 23:27:00 flashlight appears in the menu when it shouldn't for me Dec 24 23:27:04 lbt: I think *membership* of them does, a bit. Dec 24 23:27:22 I was just searching in the dev forum for dbus magic or something like that and hack one for me, but sure, this is better Dec 24 23:27:24 i can turn it on when the cover is closed, makes a bright line through the cover, heh Dec 24 23:27:26 karma is too complex... I'm going back to syncml Dec 24 23:27:28 lbt: I don't think it values commits or anything. Dec 24 23:27:34 lbt: :) Dec 24 23:27:55 * Jaffa read the SyncML spec. Once. For a bit. Dec 24 23:28:02 Then ran. Ran for the hills :) Dec 24 23:28:06 DocScrutinizer51: Now, how to disable autostart for the camera app :? Dec 24 23:28:07 Haha. Dec 24 23:28:13 it's spooky stuff Dec 24 23:28:21 Smily: I wish I knew how to reliably reproduce that Dec 24 23:28:26 i know Dec 24 23:28:43 Hukka: not at all atm :-/ Dec 24 23:29:12 i'm not sure which steps are necessary, but i can try to explain them here Dec 24 23:30:08 nowai they did it! http://www.loopycellphones.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Sony-Ericsson-MW600.jpg Dec 24 23:30:37 Hukka: I suggested to make flashlight autostart instead of cam app. light flashlights (config option) and display a menu with 3 buttons "still cam" "video" and "light off/on" Dec 24 23:30:45 I wished BT handsfree with plug-in headphones for like 5 years ( Dec 24 23:31:44 hm. if my n900's micro-usb connector has come loose so that I have to continuously press down on it in order for a connection to register, would nokia consider the warranty to be voided? Dec 24 23:32:30 Hukka: the way it,s atm it's much too clumsy for everyday use Dec 24 23:33:12 Whoo, that light is really strong Dec 24 23:33:25 hmm, i can't reproduce the flashlight bug anymore, maybe i updated it, but i know it had something to do with using the screenshot applet and taking a screenshot with the camera capture button and then flashlight appeared or something like that Dec 24 23:33:35 I think I'll keep the other app too, for those times I need to find something among sleeping people Dec 24 23:34:51 Is there a way to get a list of new apps in -testing and -devel? Dec 24 23:35:03 Something to check now and then for interesting stuff Dec 24 23:35:11 The QA queue isn't sortable by date Dec 24 23:35:44 There's also a list for latest packages, but that also counts new versions Dec 24 23:36:09 Hukka: heh thanks. gave me an idea. Make that "flashlight on/off" button a slider for brightnesso Dec 24 23:36:36 wazd: they make it for several years already, not this fancy model though Dec 24 23:36:57 and jabra does as well Dec 24 23:37:04 DocScrutinizer51: Is that possible? Dec 24 23:37:22 Since it's made as a flash light, I'd think it's always full power or none Dec 24 23:37:27 Would be great, though Dec 24 23:37:42 I think it is. the led controller is programmable for led current Dec 24 23:39:42 Hukka: and actually what you see now is just the 50mA mode. it can do 6 times that mutch. For 0.5sec though maximum Dec 24 23:40:13 Arkenoi: oh Dec 24 23:40:19 oh, that's the difference between torch and flash modes then? Dec 24 23:40:28 Arkenoi: then I'm out of business I guess :) Dec 24 23:40:37 DocScrutinizer51: Holy... Dec 24 23:40:53 yay protobuf compiled for armel Dec 24 23:41:13 That's almost a selfdefence device there! Blind the assailant in the night Dec 24 23:41:21 Half a second is quite long, for a flash Dec 24 23:42:53 Hukka: you need that for anti red eye multiflash. I think they sum up Dec 24 23:43:17 * wazd ponders how come some people have 2 and even three n900s... Dec 24 23:47:20 wazrd: nokia does massive giveaway, i think they buy one and later get one for free Dec 24 23:48:43 is there a flashlight app with LED support already? Dec 24 23:48:59 yes Dec 24 23:49:23 name? Dec 24 23:49:28 xorAxAx: see backscroll. just 30min Dec 24 23:49:34 i couldnt find the name Dec 24 23:49:43 flashlight Dec 24 23:49:49 its not in testing Dec 24 23:49:50 why? Dec 24 23:49:52 is the name Dec 24 23:49:52 Arkenoi: well, that was more a rhetoric question :P Dec 24 23:49:58 odd enough Dec 24 23:50:11 who is the maintainer? Dec 24 23:50:19 xorAxAx: See the package page Dec 24 23:50:27 maybe because it+ just one week old Dec 24 23:50:48 I think it was in testing too, but can't be bothered to check again Dec 24 23:51:00 name of the app is enough to find all relevant info on maemo.org Dec 24 23:51:14 I'd guess it's in devel Dec 24 23:51:25 moodlight is also useful Dec 24 23:51:34 I currently don't have light in the bathroom Dec 24 23:51:40 Moody showers! Dec 24 23:51:48 it is called flashlight applet! Dec 24 23:52:07 OMG Dec 24 23:54:22 Arkenoi: btw, I think you still don't recognize me, I'm that tall guy with RST38h and Mobile Camp/ n900 meeting :D Dec 24 23:55:01 ah :-) Dec 24 23:58:47 Arkenoi: I'm kind of a UI designer in here, so if you'll ever be up for some developing - call :) Dec 25 00:00:21 heh wazd. So you read my comment about flashlight app above? ;-) Dec 25 00:00:36 Goodnight all - merry christmas... :) Dec 25 00:00:41 merry christmas Dec 25 00:00:56 lbt: Mer ry christmas :) Dec 25 00:01:01 heh Dec 25 00:01:03 Ok! develop this .. make the screen flash and the pixeling to flow "down" like a water cascade... :> Dec 25 00:01:36 type_t: I'm a designer, not developer yet :) Dec 25 00:02:11 what the kitchen is too hot for ya? Dec 25 00:03:12 type_t: well, I'm the part of the kitchen, but I'm not boiling potato, I'm serving it :) Dec 25 00:03:28 anyway its called tvsnow.. Dec 25 00:03:54 Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) Dec 25 00:04:01 throw me a bone once in a while .. Dec 25 00:04:41 Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) Dec 25 00:04:44 michaels_: die for free Dec 25 00:05:16 Hukka: The QA list is in chronological order, oldest first. Dec 25 00:05:26 Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) Dec 25 00:05:26 michaels_: May you try the flashlight app when the phone is pointing to you Dec 25 00:05:30 type_t, just play with liqflow Dec 25 00:05:50 heppy christmas folks btw \o Dec 25 00:05:53 chanop. please kick michaels_ Dec 25 00:06:21 Jaffa: That too is about versions, though Dec 25 00:06:30 also, regarding the torch, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7320 Dec 25 00:06:32 Bug 7320: camera missing manual backlighting option Dec 25 00:06:42 Better than nothing, of course, but not that good about keeping track of innovations :) Dec 25 00:07:44 i have to admit. avatar is a movie i can watch way more than 1 time Dec 25 00:07:56 hmm okay :P Dec 25 00:08:02 the movie is awesome Dec 25 00:08:03 its a movie james cameron needs you to watch way more than one time Dec 25 00:08:13 lcuk: haha Dec 25 00:08:34 lcuk: it really was well made. it is somewhat difficult to realize that 90% of it is cg Dec 25 00:08:38 No spoilers, please :) Dec 25 00:08:48 I'm seeing it tomorrow, or on the weekend Dec 25 00:08:57 Hukka: it is worth the money ;) Dec 25 00:09:05 unlike 99% of all movies Dec 25 00:09:05 Surprisingly my 50k hometown has a 3d theatre Dec 25 00:09:07 Hukka: beleive me, there's nothing to spoil Dec 25 00:09:18 wazd: haha Dec 25 00:09:19 wazd: I kinda was thinking that too :) Dec 25 00:09:21 Hukka: story line is damn obvious and straight :) Dec 25 00:09:28 "There's 3d effects" "Gaah!" Dec 25 00:09:46 wazd: it was dances with wolves + surrogates + blue aliens Dec 25 00:09:52 haha Dec 25 00:09:53 Hukka: but 3d is goddamn awesome, just saw it in IMAX Dec 25 00:09:58 but it was still a good movie Dec 25 00:10:03 great movie actually Dec 25 00:10:05 aliens can't get equity cards Dec 25 00:10:15 n900evil: hahaha Dec 25 00:10:22 Macer: Would you watch with a regular screen? Dec 25 00:10:24 Macer, FernGully Dec 25 00:10:31 Hukka: yes if it were HD ;) Dec 25 00:10:34 not standard though Dec 25 00:10:47 even though i did watch the telesync before going to the theatre to see it Dec 25 00:10:50 Of course with 1080p, what else is there these days :? Dec 25 00:10:58 Ugh, telesync Dec 25 00:11:00 so you know it has to be good if i already saw it and wanted to actually go pay to see it again Dec 25 00:11:18 Macer: Or you just realised that there's nothing apart the effects :) Dec 25 00:11:30 Hukka: no. i actually liked the storyline also Dec 25 00:11:31 absolute jawdrop for first 15-20 minutes Dec 25 00:11:44 and of course the visuals Dec 25 00:11:48 who made the effects? Dec 25 00:11:51 then you get used to 3d and actually watch the movie :) Dec 25 00:11:52 they did an amazing job Dec 25 00:12:02 Macer: : you better not watch credits Dec 25 00:12:16 i didn't Dec 25 00:12:17 Macer: Wasn't it ILM+wet? Dec 25 00:12:22 weta, I mean Dec 25 00:12:22 Macer: It was like a small country of FX pros listed :D Dec 25 00:12:34 a small country hahaha Dec 25 00:12:39 Macer: All possible studios except pixar Dec 25 00:12:46 why not pixar? :) Dec 25 00:12:50 bad blood or something? Dec 25 00:13:03 Macer: Jobs can't afford own Avatar I guess :D Dec 25 00:13:26 cameron and lucas got together and decided since they spoofed star wars in toy story 2 they weren't going to do it? Dec 25 00:13:43 i bet it was some stupid pixar decision that they are going to regret later hahaha Dec 25 00:14:17 Or Jim just sait "Sorry Steve, but I really can't make a scene where Na'Vi is calling with an iPhone, seriously" Dec 25 00:14:26 said* Dec 25 00:14:48 wow. avatar pulled in 73M already Dec 25 00:15:14 and that was just last weekend Dec 25 00:15:15 73M? More like 250+ ) Dec 25 00:15:21 WW Dec 25 00:15:26 are they actually showing it in non-imax theatres? Dec 25 00:15:34 Macer: sure Dec 25 00:15:51 Macer: how you got your TS you think :) Dec 25 00:16:32 wazd: 3D decoding hidden lens? Dec 25 00:16:58 Actually 2D version is worth watching too cause there's no DOF blur and you can check all the stuff you've missed :) Dec 25 00:17:35 hi Dec 25 00:17:44 the girl from avatar was ahura from star trek? :) Dec 25 00:17:46 LuciusMare: ho Dec 25 00:17:53 how can i gwt ntpdate on maemo? Dec 25 00:18:03 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/ Dec 25 00:18:19 haha. they even have their own special imdb page.. instead of the default theme Dec 25 00:19:39 James Cameron rendered Pandora planet faster than GP2X assembled Pandora console :) Dec 25 00:19:43 why would the 2d version have no DOF blur? Dec 25 00:20:03 HAHHAHH Dec 25 00:20:04 mavhc: well, it looks just like ordinary movie Dec 25 00:20:05 one of those people had $300 million Dec 25 00:20:24 they have DOF, that's half of the "film" look Dec 25 00:20:52 DOF blur? Dec 25 00:20:53 mavhc: and IMAX version have to blur everything outside of very narrow DOF to make a 3D feel Dec 25 00:21:12 mavhc: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4241918208/tt0499549 Dec 25 00:21:30 mavhc: see? It's sharp. In IMAX Avatar would be blured Dec 25 00:21:40 would be? Dec 25 00:21:50 mavhc: yes, beleive me :) Dec 25 00:21:57 I find 3d films sometimes have too sharp a look on the wrong parts, if you're not focused on the right thing it's weird Dec 25 00:22:01 have you seen both? Dec 25 00:22:16 mavhc: just 3D, this morning Dec 25 00:23:07 mavhc: actually all these blurs looks natural if you follow the actual focus with your eyes :) Dec 25 00:23:27 isnt LSD for the 3D? Dec 25 00:23:28 :-P Dec 25 00:23:30 yes,but i like to refocus all the time Dec 25 00:23:39 i mean without the 3D goggles and stuff Dec 25 00:23:41 the bluring should help focusing then Dec 25 00:23:53 I hate animated movies Dec 25 00:23:57 mavhc: yeah, that's the point :) Dec 25 00:24:12 i hate humans Dec 25 00:24:16 lol Dec 25 00:24:18 it emulates eye behaviour Dec 25 00:24:19 mikhas: watch paintings then Dec 25 00:24:52 Read comics Dec 25 00:25:10 in real life I'm constantly away of double images for things I'm not focused on Dec 25 00:25:28 mavhc: you got some real life? cool Dec 25 00:25:34 wow Dec 25 00:25:44 where can i download it? Dec 25 00:25:50 the colours of RL are awesome Dec 25 00:25:54 apt-get install alife Dec 25 00:25:55 it's all 3d out of the box! Dec 25 00:26:01 woah Dec 25 00:26:14 thats cool Dec 25 00:26:14 awesome man Dec 25 00:26:21 its on extras repo? Dec 25 00:26:21 and the blurring effects are just done right Dec 25 00:26:27 heh Dec 25 00:26:34 they even took into effect when you're drunk! Dec 25 00:26:40 but,isnt all these 3d things just eyecamdy? Dec 25 00:27:11 ifreq: -devel. Don't touch it, if you don't like to live on the edge! Dec 25 00:27:11 into effect? what did I to say ... "into consideration"! Dec 25 00:27:18 *try* to say Dec 25 00:27:30 There have been reports of death for getting into a life Dec 25 00:27:31 Hukka: i live on the edge everyday Dec 25 00:27:37 i think i will stick with good ol' 2d desktop Dec 25 00:28:43 * mavhc robot9000s that joke Dec 25 00:28:56 meh. Dec 25 00:29:14 bye Dec 25 00:29:19 g2g Dec 25 01:10:37 # hi!, where i can get firmware 51-1 ? Dec 25 01:11:27 rlinfati: it's not out yet, is it? Dec 25 01:12:04 felipec, is released to a selected people.... Dec 25 01:12:21 rlinfati, are you among that group? :) Dec 25 01:13:35 * n900evil is, but I forgot the url. Dec 25 01:13:40 really. Dec 25 01:13:57 lol Dec 25 01:14:46 n900evil :( Dec 25 01:15:28 rlinfati, the firmware was distributed to a limited group of people for a reason. :) Dec 25 01:15:52 If they had intended to distribute it to everybody they would have. Dec 25 01:17:52 GAN900, I guess the idea is to gauge how many percent of devices it "bricks" Dec 25 01:17:56 where bricks is "needs reflash" Dec 25 01:23:37 hello ! Dec 25 01:23:50 and happy christmas :p Dec 25 01:24:26 I want to know, weechat on maemo, it's possible ? plz Dec 25 01:24:32 * FIQ wish everyone a merry christmas Dec 25 01:24:41 ShadowJK: No, it's really really not. Dec 25 01:24:51 ShadowJK: It's to bug test the update. Dec 25 01:25:01 "bricked" is a bug, no? Dec 25 01:25:42 That post was referring to some comments which I gathered to be complaints about NSU in diablo-chinook timeline bricking clone to sd devices Dec 25 01:25:50 It's a showstopper, not just simply a bug. Dec 25 01:26:24 And bricking on unsupported hacks like clone to SD isn't something they would consider a bug. Dec 25 01:26:48 If there was any real possibility of bricking, they wouldn't have given the firmware to us. Dec 25 01:27:32 Disease: possible, but requires someone interested in doing it Dec 25 01:28:53 you do not know if this is planned or not? Dec 25 01:29:19 Disease: What's weechat? Dec 25 01:29:32 a IRC client ! Dec 25 01:29:46 Open source? Dec 25 01:29:50 like irssi Dec 25 01:29:54 yes of cours Dec 25 01:31:10 on the extra-devel there are irssi and Xchat but not weechat :'( Dec 25 01:33:31 zerojay, who was that asshat on itt who turned his troll thread into a blog? Dec 25 01:33:41 zerojay, 2006/2007 Dec 25 01:34:41 wasn't me that time Dec 25 01:34:41 What was he trolling about? Dec 25 01:34:55 Just general person attacks Dec 25 01:35:03 oh Dec 25 01:35:07 even I don't stoop that low Dec 25 01:35:15 He had some sort of video game monster avatar Dec 25 01:35:17 I stick to attacking teh company or device Dec 25 01:35:18 :p Dec 25 01:35:46 Think his name started with an s Dec 25 01:35:47 anyhow Dec 25 01:35:51 GAN900: MERRY CHRISTMAS Dec 25 01:36:18 OrangeBox is reminding me of him. Dec 25 01:36:47 luke-jr, Merry Christmas, hope it's a happy and safe one. :) Dec 25 01:37:00 GAN900: only if we stay home <.< Dec 25 01:37:25 Speaking of trolls, I just read some amazing free software rants over in the Reddit tech/linux subreddits; it's gotten to the point that I can't tell if it's real or not. Dec 25 01:37:30 GAN900: btw, in case my serial port failure is of interest to you: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/mer/n810/IMG_2631.JPG Dec 25 01:38:00 GiantTalkingCow: plenty of legitimate reason to complain about that ;) Dec 25 01:38:42 * luke-jr ponders finding these 'subreddits' things Dec 25 01:39:48 True, but this was stuff like "...the BSD license is too free and will kill Linux! It's not REALLY free." etc. Dec 25 01:40:26 GiantTalkingCow: wtf? how is the BSDL even applicable here? Dec 25 01:42:09 To make a long story short, a lot of the Gnome devs along with the guys behind Mono want to move to a BSD license for their new stuff. Dec 25 01:44:06 oh, not Nxx0 related Dec 25 01:44:14 who cares? GNOME and Mono are failures Dec 25 01:45:30 Nah, hust went off on a tangent... and honestly, desktop Linux is a failure overall. (imo) Dec 25 01:45:49 just* went... Dec 25 01:46:56 pretty much. still, it sucks the least imo. Dec 25 01:47:20 (overall) Dec 25 01:48:47 GiantTalkingCow: as terrible as GNOME is, I'm sure it's more usable than Windows Dec 25 01:48:54 I beg to differ. The guts of the system are just fine, but the UIs drive me up the wall. I just don't think a good user interface can be made by committee. (this plagues proprietary software too, btw) Dec 25 01:49:53 meh, KDE's UI is pretty nice, but the guts are the problem Dec 25 01:49:54 As for Gnome versus Windows, I'd say it's sort of a stalemate at this point. I use all three major OSes, and they're all lacking in the UI department. I wish they'd steal each others' best features a bit more often, to tell the truth. Dec 25 01:49:57 everything's too bloated Dec 25 01:50:33 there's only two major DEs competing for least-crappy: OS X and KDE Dec 25 01:50:40 luke-jr: Ubuntu had a chance but in reality Shuttleworth couldn't dress a desktop to save himself. Dec 25 01:50:57 julianoliver: Ubuntu is GNOME-centric, so no, it really didn't :p Dec 25 01:51:24 GAN900: Good god, I can't remember now. Dec 25 01:51:52 Nah, KDE's awful. It's focused on those awful widgets, still doesn't have half the useful features of v3, has awful layout and a file manager that makes me want to shoot myself. I seriously wish they'd hired a few UI designers when going over to v4. Dec 25 01:51:55 luke-jr: i have to teach with OS X from time to time, i think it's pretty awful. Dec 25 01:52:08 KDE however is simply lost. Dec 25 01:52:19 all in all, the desktop metaphor is silly however, lost. Dec 25 01:52:26 GiantTalkingCow: you clearly haven't used it since 4.0. 4.1 at most Dec 25 01:52:32 OS X is a combination of some excellent features, along with some stuff that makes me want to drive down to Cuptertino and kick Steve Jobs. Dec 25 01:52:45 luke-jr: 4.3 actually. The Suse version. Dec 25 01:52:54 but admittedly, I never use Dolphin Dec 25 01:52:56 indeed. The Finder "why is all my software so lost that i have to Find it?" Dec 25 01:53:01 GiantTalkingCow: SuSE version is irrelevant Dec 25 01:53:01 errrr, Cupertino* Dec 25 01:53:12 Okay then, name a good one: KDEMod? Dec 25 01:53:18 GiantTalkingCow: vanilla KDE? Dec 25 01:53:43 it's also all a bit 'Fisher Price'. that 3D dock is just really awful too. we'll look back at that and squirm. Dec 25 01:53:48 Vanilla or not, it's not the added stuff that bothers me, it's the basics of the system. Options and lack thereof. Dec 25 01:54:12 julianoliver: I squirmed when I first saw it. Thankfully, that sort of stuff is easily themeable, at least. Dec 25 01:54:52 right. Dec 25 01:55:26 As I can't hear you, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. It's really easy to modify. Dec 25 01:56:17 GiantTalkingCow: if we're talking about OSX no, i really dislike it. i develop for/on it from time to time and also teach on it. my overall experience is one of frustration. i prefer not to use it. Dec 25 01:57:23 but anyway, this channel is about another platform! Dec 25 01:58:24 To each his own, I suppose. I find Linux to be a huge pain these days... well, on the desktop. Embedded and mobile versions are generally quite easy to work with, but things like drivers problems (bloody video drivers) tend to be a pain. And you're right, so back on topic: to those who've had an N900 for a while now, what's your opinion? I'm looking to grab a new smartphone.... Dec 25 01:58:30 ...sometime in the next month. Dec 25 01:58:44 i love the thing. Dec 25 01:59:33 it's a little bulky, but once i chose to accept it as a very small, full featured computer with phone capability, it looks unusually small for it's capability. Dec 25 01:59:40 How's the keyboard? Big enough? Not prone to accidental key presses? Dec 25 02:00:11 GiantTalkingCow: KDE is anything but lacking options Dec 25 02:00:12 i can type now and quite a stride on it. much faster than i have been able on an iPhone or HTC soft kb. Dec 25 02:00:20 s/and/at/ Dec 25 02:00:21 julianoliver meant: i can type now at quite a stride on it. much faster than i have been able on an iPhone or HTC soft kb. Dec 25 02:00:32 good bot Dec 25 02:01:03 GiantTalkingCow: the KB feels good. the action is great, the texture of the keys also. Dec 25 02:02:00 luke-jr: Well, I am comparing KDE 4 to the 3.x series.... Dec 25 02:02:27 * FIQ is going to buy a N900 very soon, in the weekend probably Dec 25 02:03:17 being able to pull up a terminal and have a full debian system right there is quite a buzz. Dec 25 02:03:45 ... it's not Debian -.- Dec 25 02:03:50 a developer magnet for those that have learned to prefer Debian package management. Dec 25 02:04:07 where is all this "Maemo is Debian" nonsense originating? Dec 25 02:04:14 Which is most people that have tried it, imo. Dec 25 02:04:52 I assume he's not referring to Maemo, but the fact that you've been able to install Debian on the Nokia tablets for quite a while now. (the older ones, at least) Dec 25 02:04:53 luke-jr: it's certainly 'Debian' enough for me. only once or twice have i found non Debian paths in /etc/. apt-* and dpkg are all synonymous with stock Debian. just great. Dec 25 02:05:10 GiantTalkingCow: the context implies Maemo Dec 25 02:05:31 julianoliver: apt-* is obsolete for Debian and exists equally on Ubuntu, Xandros, et al Dec 25 02:05:38 GiantTalkingCow: Maemo 5 uses apt/dpkg for package management. core configuration files and device handles are all debian synonymous. Dec 25 02:05:44 apt/dpkg do not make a system Debian Dec 25 02:06:07 what makes a system Debian are the Debian package repositories Dec 25 02:06:08 luke-jr: Xandros and Ubuntu are Debian derivatives. Dec 25 02:06:16 julianoliver: derivatives, yes. Debian itself, no. Dec 25 02:07:22 luke-jr: i've been using Debian as my core OS since Potato. for all extensive purposes, Maemo is a 'Debian OS', within the broader family of operating systems. Dec 25 02:07:57 julianoliver: so you can 'aptitude install kde' and it will just work? Dec 25 02:08:02 s/extensive/extents\ and\ purposes/ Dec 25 02:08:03 julianoliver meant: luke-jr: i've been using Debian as my core OS since Potato. for all extents\ and\ purposes purposes, Maemo is a 'Debian OS', within the broader family of operating systems. Dec 25 02:08:26 hm Dec 25 02:08:29 infobot's regex fails Dec 25 02:08:29 luke-jr: i don't know. try it. Dec 25 02:08:39 s/(?<=x/ support/ Dec 25 02:08:43 slackware++ Dec 25 02:08:47 i'm out to catch some sun. Dec 25 02:08:55 julianoliver: the obvious answer is 'no' :p Dec 25 02:11:04 i'm off Dec 25 02:12:49 ++ all Dec 25 02:33:55 yay flashlight app Dec 25 02:46:38 Hi, can I use ekiga on a N900 ?? I see only skype, Google Talk, jabber and "SIP". What is "SIP" ? I tried that with my akiga account, it didn't work. Dec 25 02:51:46 ekiga uses SIP, does it not? Dec 25 02:52:44 you probably have to mess a bit with the settings but it should be possible to make it work Dec 25 02:53:43 Ysure, sip is the name of the protocol, but I thought it was a branding or something... Dec 25 02:54:28 So "SIP" in the entry is the general accès to sip clients ? Then Ekiga should work indeed. Dec 25 02:54:33 what? Session Initiation Protocol? I don't think that's branding Dec 25 02:55:12 yeah, I've managed to set up my Gizmo5 account using SIP, you should be able to do the same with ekiga Dec 25 02:55:29 Yes but maybe some company would have used it for its name. But ok that was silly from me to think that. Dec 25 02:55:56 Ok I'll keep on trying to configure Ekiga using SIP Dec 25 02:57:53 for Gizmo5, in the basic settings I had to use the full address (username@proxyserver)... in the advanced settings, only the username in the username field Dec 25 02:58:38 and of course the correct proxyserver **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 25 02:59:57 2009