**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 29 02:59:57 2009 Dec 29 03:16:50 K`, try root's path. :) Dec 29 03:17:39 GAN900 I finally just went out ot the car and grabbed my umpc Dec 29 03:17:42 formatted it fat32 Dec 29 03:17:47 and it still isn't showing up Dec 29 03:18:08 im installing some crap first, but I guess Ill check the syslogs and see if it even detected it Dec 29 03:18:38 this N900 is only 5 hours old, I didn't expect to run into a memory card issue Dec 29 03:19:54 hmm, can't get my ssh key to be accepted when trying to login as "user" Dec 29 03:20:31 root works just fine, and authorized_keys has the exact same content (cp /root/.ssh/authorized_keys /home/user/.ssh/) Dec 29 03:20:46 does root have a pw and user not? Dec 29 03:20:58 I just asked myself that question :) Dec 29 03:20:58 probably Dec 29 03:21:11 can I set a password on the user account without adverse affects? Dec 29 03:21:14 first thing that came to mind. seems to be safe to set a passwd Dec 29 03:21:19 well i did Dec 29 03:21:28 tada Dec 29 03:21:48 i actually said something useful? Dec 29 03:22:21 yes Dec 29 03:22:42 how well does the onering work Dec 29 03:24:28 pupnik is maemo-cplusplus-device-env including onboard build tools Dec 29 03:24:37 or is it just the clibs + debugger Dec 29 03:31:03 K`: can you rephrase your question please? Dec 29 03:31:09 morning Dec 29 03:31:24 mornin jaem Dec 29 03:31:47 CSR is evil :/ Dec 29 03:32:05 accessing anything on their website past their product overviews implies an NDA Dec 29 03:32:21 sigh Dec 29 03:32:38 * jaem is still fiddling with the Bluetooth Bracelet Dec 29 03:34:17 can you capture the data? Dec 29 03:34:27 pupnik, probably, but that's not the issue Dec 29 03:34:41 the bracelet as-is is too limited for my purposes Dec 29 03:34:58 it's designed to show a single, numerical string once per call Dec 29 03:35:18 no alpha? boo Dec 29 03:35:26 I have it displaying text, and scrolling, but the way I'm doing it is a complete hack Dec 29 03:36:20 which, among other things, means that it's likely hard on the bracelet's battery, the vibra is unpredictable, and I would have to maintain patches to code I don't want to deal with to make it work without losing other functionality on the N900 Dec 29 03:36:26 so... Dec 29 03:36:38 I'm poking around at the bracelet itself, although not with much hope Dec 29 03:36:48 CSR is about as closed as you can get Dec 29 03:37:20 you can't even get a datasheet (that I've seen) without accepting an NDA, and probably not even then unless you're paying them Dec 29 03:37:56 also, the display controller looks like it may be a custom job Dec 29 03:37:57 wee Dec 29 03:38:00 whee* Dec 29 03:39:26 the NDA does say that if you already know the information before they tell you (and can prove it), then the NDA is not binding Dec 29 03:39:36 ...which is something, I suppose Dec 29 03:40:26 jaem: even if your original source was illegit? :P Dec 29 03:40:39 luke-jr, IANAL, but it sounds like it to me Dec 29 03:40:46 interesting loophole Dec 29 03:40:54 granted, that might bring other issues into play, but as far as confidentiality goes, I think so Dec 29 03:41:49 luke-jr, if I, say, got an employee to leak it, I obviously wouldn't get away with it, but if it's just floating around on the web, I might Dec 29 03:41:50 lol Dec 29 03:41:56 in any case, it's annoying Dec 29 03:42:24 there are some useful-looking test pads on the board which I'm investigating, though Dec 29 03:42:46 the labs are closed for the break, though, so I don't have access to the fancy gear :P Dec 29 03:43:00 wow Dec 29 03:43:09 pupnik, ? Dec 29 03:43:23 i just find that kind of hacking impressive Dec 29 03:43:34 pupnik, I haven't *done* anything yet XP Dec 29 03:43:44 I'll let you know if and when you should be impressed Dec 29 03:43:51 i'm trying to generate a ":" when user presses shift + "." for the past two hours Dec 29 03:43:53 ok Dec 29 03:43:55 same Dec 29 03:44:12 what I have so far was essentially a good hunch, and a bit of fiddling Dec 29 03:44:55 pupnik, what's this for? Just keyboard mapping? Dec 29 03:44:55 hmm maybe the function was passing by value after all Dec 29 03:45:00 within dosbox Dec 29 03:45:04 ah, nice Dec 29 03:45:26 I'm trying to find some way to get a hold of those nice, hackable ZipIt devices Dec 29 03:45:38 I got money for Christmas for it, but getting one in Canada is difficult Dec 29 03:45:43 e.g. you can't Dec 29 03:45:47 sort of nice. i wanted to parse the /usr/share/keyboards on rx51 but i can't even swap SDL keys yet Dec 29 03:45:53 zipit? Dec 29 03:46:08 pupnik, yeah, it's a gimmicky clamshell IM device marketed at teens Dec 29 03:46:49 here they use phones and sms Dec 29 03:46:53 $50 for a 300MHz XScale with 32MB RAM, 802.11b/g, a keyboard/d-pad, QVGA color screen, and an SD slot Dec 29 03:46:55 not bad Dec 29 03:47:15 nice Dec 29 03:47:22 woo... Freenode's having fun tonight Dec 29 03:47:38 jaem: imagine how easy and expensive it must be to get stuff from usa when you're in poland Dec 29 03:47:51 of course, in its intended use, it's a bit of a scam - $10/month ostensibly for SMS gateway service, but it apparently makes you pay just to use MSN/Yahoo/AIM Dec 29 03:47:59 * jaem imagines Dec 29 03:48:03 *splort* Dec 29 03:48:12 so I managed to get 2.6.33-rc1 boot*ing* on my N810... Dec 29 03:48:15 arachnist, that was my brain Dec 29 03:48:18 luke-jr, ooh, nice Dec 29 03:48:25 luke-jr: nice Dec 29 03:48:29 emphasis intentional? :P Dec 29 03:48:35 yes Dec 29 03:48:42 I think retu's watchdog is rebooting it :/ Dec 29 03:48:50 I got my N810 charging... yay Dec 29 03:48:52 http://elinux.org/N800#Status Dec 29 03:49:08 the yellow "board implemented" parts are my patches tonight :p Dec 29 03:49:10 the charging jack on the N810 is horribly constructed Dec 29 03:49:16 and I was one day over my warranty :/ Dec 29 03:49:21 hi everyone Dec 29 03:49:30 good thing I have an N900 through uni Dec 29 03:49:34 luke-jr, I'll take a look Dec 29 03:49:34 i just picked up a n810we Dec 29 03:49:36 moek, hi Dec 29 03:49:47 trying to get it to connect to clearwire.. Dec 29 03:49:49 any tips? Dec 29 03:50:07 moek, no experience with WiMax myself, but first of all, what's wrong with it? Dec 29 03:50:16 well on day 1 Dec 29 03:50:19 moek: LOL? Dec 29 03:50:24 i tried calling clear wire Dec 29 03:50:26 no help Dec 29 03:50:31 today hacking around Dec 29 03:50:39 i discovered it uses "iwtool" Dec 29 03:50:39 moek, what doesn't work? No signal? Can't connect? ?? Dec 29 03:50:43 moek: there's a reason Nokia discontinued the WiMax edition before the N810 itself Dec 29 03:50:47 it is kind of like iwconfig i guess Dec 29 03:50:47 luke-jr, lol Dec 29 03:50:50 ya no signal etc.. Dec 29 03:51:06 so i saw a bunch of frequencies Dec 29 03:51:13 luke-jr, wait, I thought the N810WE didn't exist... or at least, Samsung doesn't seem to think so XD Dec 29 03:51:16 for various "north_america" plans Dec 29 03:51:27 in a file called wimax.conf Dec 29 03:51:38 however only one of these was in iwtools.ini Dec 29 03:51:41 iwtool.ini Dec 29 03:51:48 so i copied the rest of them over Dec 29 03:51:53 now when i do iwtool scan Dec 29 03:51:54 oi. Dec 29 03:51:57 it seems to find something Dec 29 03:52:14 but but i cant connect to it Dec 29 03:52:38 moek: IIRC, N810WE is strict to WiMax standards, and most WiMax ISPs don't comply with them, so they won't work together Dec 29 03:53:11 meh Dec 29 03:53:15 i think it may be an authentication issue Dec 29 03:53:17 oic Dec 29 03:53:17 ya Dec 29 03:53:17 that may the prob Dec 29 03:53:18 don't quote me on that, I don't have a clue where I heard it Dec 29 03:53:28 and I know there are exceptions Dec 29 03:53:48 pupnik, rofl... some press release has the nerve to call CSR's products "Open Architecture" Dec 29 03:53:52 looks like someone's tripping over the cables Dec 29 03:54:04 arachnist, or... tubes...? Dec 29 03:54:31 tubes? they might get clogged... Dec 29 03:54:48 arachnist, ah, yes Dec 29 03:54:52 they do that Dec 29 03:55:11 anyway, it's 5AM... Dec 29 03:55:18 good night Dec 29 03:55:39 'night Dec 29 03:56:10 haha Dec 29 03:56:16 my config had watchdog support disabled Dec 29 03:56:21 N810 booting 2.6.33-rc1 now Dec 29 03:56:25 luke-jr, mwaha Dec 29 03:56:30 very slow Dec 29 03:56:35 I suspect DSME is spinning on kevents Dec 29 03:56:46 Maemo4 desktop looks sane! Dec 29 03:56:52 the Campus IT Department is testing a new server, on which I have a shell account Dec 29 03:56:55 hmm Dec 29 03:56:56 crap Dec 29 03:56:59 but they didn't bother posting the SSH fingerprint Dec 29 03:57:10 I didn't copy the wifi modules to it, and it's built for mere pty on USB Dec 29 03:57:13 ...or responding to my e-mail query about it... for about 3 weeks Dec 29 03:57:58 physical visits are harder to delete Dec 29 03:58:01 (and flickering every few seconds) Dec 29 03:58:08 btw Dec 29 03:58:12 regarding ssh Dec 29 03:58:19 i have to setup ping from inside n810 Dec 29 03:58:19 I also bugged them about getting a list of AP MACs to try out some WiFi positioning ideas, and they told me it was confidential, and I could only get it for one building, and only if a prof signed off on it Dec 29 03:58:23 b4 connecting Dec 29 03:58:26 moek, sorry? Dec 29 03:58:27 from a laptop... Dec 29 03:58:29 else it is really slow.. Dec 29 03:58:38 i hear this is b/c of pwr management? Dec 29 03:58:47 ie ping from n810 xterm to some ip Dec 29 03:58:52 if that is running.. Dec 29 03:58:55 ...this despite the fact that I could figure it all out myself if I had time to do the legwork Dec 29 03:58:57 i can ssh to the n810.. Dec 29 03:59:01 moek: yeah, that's PSM Dec 29 03:59:07 moek: you can disable it on the N810 too Dec 29 03:59:09 any other solution for this? Dec 29 03:59:19 how to do this Dec 29 03:59:22 I forget. Dec 29 03:59:57 moek, PSM config is under "Connections", or whatever it's called Dec 29 04:00:08 ok i will look for it Dec 29 04:00:23 moek, if you're stuck, I'll go boot my N810 Dec 29 04:00:40 some1 said it is in control panel Dec 29 04:00:42 but i didnt see it Dec 29 04:00:55 moek, give me a sec and I'll look it up Dec 29 04:00:59 it's buried Dec 29 04:01:02 ok thanks Dec 29 04:01:19 * luke-jr needs to build his kernel with ethernet USB Dec 29 04:01:34 oh crap Dec 29 04:01:36 nm Dec 29 04:01:40 I didn't port the USB drivers yet Dec 29 04:01:42 XD Dec 29 04:02:21 btw, does anyone here have access to documents on SpringerLink through their University? I just need to check if this document is relevant, but apparently my uni doesn't subscribe Dec 29 04:02:43 there was a snippet that looked interesting, but no context to tell Dec 29 04:04:46 oh good grief Dec 29 04:05:17 pupnik, this line of chips from CSR runs everything virtualized on-chip Dec 29 04:05:23 lame Dec 29 04:05:46 they sure go out of their way to make things difficult Dec 29 04:09:36 * pupnik is just staring in awe now Dec 29 04:37:19 okkk Dec 29 04:37:21 Im at my wits ennnnnnd Dec 29 04:37:32 sorry, kvm i s acting uppppppp Dec 29 04:38:00 memorry card just wont show up Dec 29 04:38:14 what is the device in the fileeeeesystem Dec 29 04:38:18 on the Nnnn900 Dec 29 04:44:43 ok, thats better Dec 29 04:44:52 so, can anyone help me out with the SD card Dec 29 04:45:04 I noticed in my syslogs something about needing to update the SD driver Dec 29 04:45:17 this system is stock, so Im a little ocncerned Dec 29 04:47:00 [ 58.811920] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type_methods Dec 29 04:49:18 do you want to patch the kernel yourself or wait for an update from nokia? Dec 29 04:50:11 for the moment, I'd just like to know that this is either a known issue, and not user error on my part Dec 29 04:51:17 shinkamui: known != will be fixed Dec 29 04:51:44 argh Dec 29 04:52:01 I have an almost-clean patch for N8x0 LCD against mainline, except for one stupid need of Tahvo :( Dec 29 04:52:08 you guys love talking cryptically Dec 29 04:52:31 does the N900 read sdhc cards and I fucked up somehow Dec 29 04:52:35 shinkamui: from my point of view, Nokia is nortorious for just leaving bugs alone and never fixing them Dec 29 04:52:38 forums are filled with people cliaming they work fine Dec 29 04:53:06 even nokias official accessory line for the N900 includes 16 and 8 gig sdhc cards Dec 29 04:53:19 so Im really kicking myself here, I have another card I could try formatting Dec 29 04:53:36 but I'd rather not go through the trouble of moving that shit for nothing Dec 29 04:54:14 shinkamui: what format is it btw? Dec 29 04:54:24 I just formatted it to fat32 Dec 29 04:54:27 default block size Dec 29 05:00:06 shinkamui: i dont see that error in syslog Dec 29 05:00:14 i do see something funny Dec 29 05:00:17 Dec 28 17:27:04 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[]: Link DOWN Dec 29 05:00:19 Dec 28 17:28:09 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[756]: Link UP: MCU-SW Ver: V ICPR82_09w34.3, 16-10-09, RX-51, (c) Nokia Dec 29 05:00:20 I just dmesg Dec 29 05:00:25 and it came up for me Dec 29 05:00:33 is it not hotswappable in the N900? Dec 29 05:00:38 \I may have to reboot again Dec 29 05:00:42 Im trying the second card Dec 29 05:01:43 dunno bout hotswap Dec 29 05:01:54 well, Im doing another format in a micro to SD adapter Dec 29 05:02:54 N900 has a full size SD slot? Dec 29 05:03:00 no Dec 29 05:03:03 micro Dec 29 05:03:06 but it wont format Dec 29 05:03:10 doesn't even detect it Dec 29 05:03:15 so Im doing a full format in my pc Dec 29 05:03:34 fat 32, 4096 byte blocks Dec 29 05:03:37 no volume lable Dec 29 05:03:40 label even Dec 29 05:05:31 timeless: hey. a couple of errors in Brit translation. will mail. Dec 29 05:19:19 hi Dec 29 05:19:23 can anyone see this? Dec 29 05:19:40 no Dec 29 05:19:42 sorry Dec 29 05:20:01 I'm using an unfamiliar client Dec 29 05:20:12 usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sa Dec 29 05:20:29 Does anyone know how to send a text message to multiple contacts? Dec 29 05:21:00 I'm using the n900 and having trouble sending text messages to multiple contacts Dec 29 05:21:42 I also cannot seem to use the onscreen keyboard (a word is suggested, I cannot select the suggested word, no matter what I hit the suggested word is replaced by blank) Dec 29 05:22:30 brb Dec 29 05:24:08 # rmmod ssi_mcsaab_imp Dec 29 05:24:33 # cat /var/log/syslog Dec 29 05:24:33 Dec 29 05:24:35 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[3108]: Link DOWN Dec 29 05:24:52 die, bitch Dec 29 05:27:27 hi, I have the n900. I can't seem to send a text message to multiple contacts. Does anyone know if this is possible? Dec 29 05:28:18 conversation->new sms Dec 29 05:29:11 sulx: geez thanks! Dec 29 05:29:23 sulx: I've been hunting for that for a while Dec 29 05:31:06 the other problem I'm having is using the on screen keyboard. If I type "trans" the word "transportation" will appear with "portation" highlighted. What key do I hit to return the word? (pressing the hardware keyboard Right arrow works) Dec 29 05:34:46 right arrow Dec 29 05:35:18 where are you typing the word - in what field of what program? any program? Dec 29 05:36:10 jello69_: yes any field the on screen software keyboard Dec 29 05:37:23 jello69_: I would have guessed clicking the textbox (not the original textbox, but the on screen word to be appened textbox) would have done it. Dec 29 05:38:01 I also tried Enter, the down arrow (it's sort of an upside down carrot), and of course tapping the textbox Dec 29 05:41:36 liveuser002, I'll take a look to see if I can help you Dec 29 05:42:02 also, just FYI, the symbol you're talking about is "caret", not "carrot" :P No offense Dec 29 05:42:08 jaem: thanks It's a stupid question I know Dec 29 05:42:24 duh I knew that Dec 29 05:42:40 liveuser002, not really - if it's not apparent or easily discoverable, then it's probably a usability issue rather than your fault Dec 29 05:42:56 Maemo 5 is good, but it's still pretty "raw" Dec 29 05:43:30 liveuser002, just so I'm on the same page here, can you tell me which options you have selected under Settings->Text Input? Dec 29 05:44:42 jaem: everything is checked except for a second dictionary or language Dec 29 05:45:30 jaem: use virtual keyboard and word completion are selected Dec 29 05:45:30 liveuser002, okay, I'll check it now. Can you give me an example of your exact process, so I can reproduce the problem? Dec 29 05:45:50 liveuser002, I've opened the stock text editor Dec 29 05:46:11 oh, I see... nvm Dec 29 05:47:05 ah - got it Dec 29 05:47:27 notice that it underlines the highlighted autocompleted part of the word? Dec 29 05:47:33 just tap the underlined part Dec 29 05:47:54 ah perfect Dec 29 05:48:06 they could have made it a bit more obvious, I suppose. Did it not mention that in the manual? Dec 29 05:48:30 I never use the OSK, and I have a prerelease (non-retail) box, so I don't know if mine would be the same Dec 29 05:48:41 I had trouble with ip address too, I found the thing is to type ... then Blue Arrow, Blue Arrow, then ### Right ### Right Dec 29 05:49:16 jaem: I'll look at the manual, I didn't read it that closely Dec 29 05:49:55 actually it seems there are no directions for the software at all Dec 29 05:50:01 liveuser002, it might be a good idea. The on-device help system is also quite comprehensive Dec 29 05:50:02 ah Dec 29 05:50:09 the marbles game has a similar problem - I have no idea how to play it Dec 29 05:50:09 (see previous statement) Dec 29 05:50:35 marbles is an excellent puzzle game Dec 29 05:50:38 thanks, I'll be sure to check that before posting here next time Dec 29 05:51:00 the marbles game is tricky. Click on a marble, then click where you want it to go. It rolls as far as it can in that direction. Try to make them line up (somewhere) as in the picture Dec 29 05:51:02 that's about it Dec 29 05:51:16 thanks Dec 29 05:51:32 even easier trainer levels perhaps Dec 29 05:51:38 liveuser002, I don't blame you. I don't know that any other phone has a PC-like Help Browser, so it's not somewhere I'd expect people to look Dec 29 05:51:43 but it is a great intro guide Dec 29 05:51:49 liveuser002, did you just get your N900 recently? Dec 29 05:52:03 jaem: I've had it for about 2 weeks Dec 29 05:52:16 it's more of a computer than a phone, which is great for me Dec 29 05:53:12 I haven't gotten ssh to work yet (due to my own stupidity with networking). Once I've got that figured out this phone will be the best thing ever Dec 29 05:53:23 liveuser002, ssh in which direction? Dec 29 05:53:35 I'd want the phone to be the client Dec 29 05:53:43 liveuser002, ah... what's the issue? Dec 29 05:54:03 I was able to ping my ip address but not ssh to it, I think a router is blocking in the middle somewhere Dec 29 05:54:31 I'm a little more used to redhat than debian, I'm starting to see the differences Dec 29 05:55:02 little things, over all this is the best phone/umpc I have ever seen Dec 29 05:55:10 liveuser002, I fully agree Dec 29 05:55:20 same here. still in love. Dec 29 05:55:31 it has a fair number of issues, but nothing I've seen would I call a "flaw"... just stupid things that need to be fixed Dec 29 05:56:10 liveuser002, do you use NX at all? Dec 29 05:56:43 I'm a big linux fan, because of sharing and a little paranoia Dec 29 05:56:57 liveuser002, a little paranoia can be healthy :) Dec 29 05:57:12 one thing I'd like is the terminal to have an extra onscreen button - an Enter key Dec 29 05:57:40 liveuser002, I ask because one of the community members is finishing up a port of QTNX, and getting an X login to your desktop on your phone is nothing short of epic Dec 29 05:57:55 I like the tab and esc,, if the control key would automatically turn off after I click a single button that would also be nice Dec 29 05:58:15 you can add buttons to terminal with gconf - see russkies thread on t.m.o can add pipe tilde greaterthan too Dec 29 05:59:04 I'm not familiar with QTNX,, let me google it.. Dec 29 05:59:05 ctrl i dont use because it is on keyboard Dec 29 05:59:10 liveuser002, nomachine.com Dec 29 05:59:19 ooh is there a port of NX yet? Dec 29 05:59:21 that would rock Dec 29 05:59:29 it's like VNC, only less bandwidth-intensive, and has SSH built in Dec 29 05:59:30 yeah pipe and tidle would be great Dec 29 05:59:42 in fact, it's not really like VNC at all, except in terms of general concept Dec 29 05:59:52 jaem i get nxserver up but i never get a session. i think i need to create a session for X to start Dec 29 05:59:55 shinkamui, it's in beta - should be in -testing, I think Dec 29 06:00:14 jello69_, sorry? Dec 29 06:00:18 login is fine Dec 29 06:00:28 just some bad server gonfig Dec 29 06:00:31 are you saying that the N900 will authenticate, but won't load the session? Dec 29 06:00:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386724#post386724 for adding more keys to xterm Dec 29 06:00:37 yes Dec 29 06:00:39 frals, thanks Dec 29 06:00:47 np Dec 29 06:00:49 ty frals Dec 29 06:00:51 jello69_, I've had that too, and the odd time with the desktop Linux client Dec 29 06:00:52 I thought it could do that already though vpn (not that I tried obviously) Dec 29 06:01:03 jello69_, check the log on the menu, maybe? Dec 29 06:01:11 Hm Dec 29 06:01:18 liveuser002, I'm talking about a full graphical desktop login Dec 29 06:01:29 oh, I see what you mean, sorry Dec 29 06:01:35 that would be very cool Dec 29 06:01:36 yes, you can, but NX is pretty nice Dec 29 06:01:44 they claim you can maintain a session over dialup Dec 29 06:01:52 yeah you need to select cde, or kde, and your server needs to have a thingy set up for the one you choose. deluxxe distros probly have it Dec 29 06:02:05 "maintain" is definitely the operative word, but it *does* work pretty well over any reasonable connection Dec 29 06:02:08 shares more in comoon with TS/RDP Dec 29 06:02:11 speed wise Dec 29 06:02:47 shinkamui, I'm hoping to buy a nice little Linux clamshell device to run NX on, as a wireless thin client Dec 29 06:03:02 our new gcc is much nicer than old one Dec 29 06:04:05 jaem did you see my device activated cell radio with no sim present? Dec 29 06:05:10 jello69_, one sec Dec 29 06:05:27 according to syslog at least Dec 29 06:06:00 * jaem reads the scrollback Dec 29 06:06:33 jello69_, eenteresting... *drums fingers* Dec 29 06:07:13 anyone have any advise on how i would/could map ctrl backspace to esc Dec 29 06:07:14 ? Dec 29 06:07:19 i dont know anything, just poking around Dec 29 06:07:22 or funct backspace Dec 29 06:07:43 eh, NX doesn't work at all unless your system fits within their tiny scope of an OS Dec 29 06:07:55 shinkamui, this might help: http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2009/12/17/remapping-the-n900-arrow-keys/ Dec 29 06:07:56 it is possible but i dont know the right way Dec 29 06:08:00 full of hacky code that breaks if you change the slightest thing Dec 29 06:08:05 shinkamui, I've never done it myself Dec 29 06:08:08 nice Dec 29 06:08:16 luke-jr, have you tried Google's server? Dec 29 06:08:21 ty luke-jr Dec 29 06:08:30 what Dec 29 06:08:31 jaem: hm? Dec 29 06:08:32 I haven't, but they claim that they wrote it in response to those issues Dec 29 06:08:42 Google wrote an Open Source NX server Dec 29 06:08:45 o Dec 29 06:08:55 there wasn't much fanfare - I didn't find out until recently Dec 29 06:09:10 apparently they got fed up with what you were describing, and tried to make something less unwieldy Dec 29 06:09:16 hehe Dec 29 06:09:21 i saw it. thought you meant a running nx server for usertests Dec 29 06:09:48 * luke-jr seems to have forgotten to unsubscribe for LKML <.< Dec 29 06:09:51 luke-jr, jello69_, do you know of any lightweight Open Source frontends for NX? Dec 29 06:10:00 the target I'm hoping to use has 32MB of RAM Dec 29 06:10:22 so a Qt GUI is probably not desirable Dec 29 06:10:30 although I suppose it might fine Dec 29 06:11:07 i wouldnt try it Dec 29 06:12:36 I dont know, even wtih egde only and wifi with no bluetooth, I dont seriously expect more than 6 hours of battery life Dec 29 06:12:38 jaem: afaik, NX requires a toolkit, and Qt is pretty much the best you'll get there Dec 29 06:13:07 hmm, that *is* an interesting idea Dec 29 06:13:23 in fact, such a concept could give reasonable life to my N810 in theory Dec 29 06:13:26 luke-jr, I'm all for Qt, but I was referring to the frontend that saves you mucking around in the terminal to login and control sessions Dec 29 06:13:35 I can't see why that would need anything fancy Dec 29 06:13:44 heck, I'd be happy with a user-friendly CLI frontend Dec 29 06:13:48 jaem: AFAIK, NX uses client-side widgets Dec 29 06:13:52 but I don't know Dec 29 06:14:38 luke-jr, I'm not sure what you're talking about, but this (AFAIK) has nothing to do with the actual remoting; I'm strictly talking about the part of the client that sets up the connection using NoMachine's tools Dec 29 06:14:45 huh Dec 29 06:14:46 odd Dec 29 06:15:10 -shrug- Dec 29 06:15:37 I was trying to access an academic paper that they wanted me to pay for, and it didn't list my uni in the login form Dec 29 06:16:05 so I tunnelled the connection through the campus network, which usually authenticates me automatically Dec 29 06:16:13 and I could swear it still didn't work Dec 29 06:16:19 but I just downloaded it Dec 29 06:16:27 oh well... not complaining Dec 29 06:16:42 luke-jr, I wonder how NX is on battery life Dec 29 06:16:49 any idea? Dec 29 06:17:07 the client, that is Dec 29 06:22:58 does anyone know off-hand of any popular Firefox extensions for clipping notes out of webpages? I remember seeing something fairly prominent, but it wasn't by Google, and it wasn't Zotero Dec 29 06:24:04 hilight and copy works here.. sometimes Dec 29 06:25:09 you probably referring to a journal page that prevents that Dec 29 06:26:20 jello69_, sorry, I meant a browser plugin Dec 29 06:26:26 and as to PDF "DRM"... Dec 29 06:26:40 my reader has a nice little *checkbox* in the options to turn that off ^^ Dec 29 06:26:53 it made me laugh when I saw that Dec 29 06:28:37 hmm Dec 29 06:28:59 jello69_, don't worry about it - I just couldn't think of the name, and thought I'd ask Dec 29 06:29:03 I can search for it Dec 29 06:32:00 damn Dec 29 06:32:06 fennec is DEFINATELY not ready for prime time Dec 29 06:32:10 its slow as balls Dec 29 06:32:15 shinkamui, yeah, I've noticed :/ Dec 29 06:32:19 which version are they at now? Dec 29 06:32:23 1.0b6 Dec 29 06:32:26 hrm Dec 29 06:32:29 on the N900? Dec 29 06:32:36 ea Dec 29 06:32:38 y Dec 29 06:32:42 N900 nightly build repo Dec 29 06:32:48 huh Dec 29 06:32:50 too bad Dec 29 06:32:57 well, at least microB is usable in Maemo5 Dec 29 06:33:19 Fennec's features and mission sound good, but if it's still slow... I don't know Dec 29 06:34:26 and I can't even set up weave Dec 29 06:34:28 fuck it Dec 29 06:42:33 i play with links2 browser ;) Dec 29 06:42:49 and tear Dec 29 06:43:33 with better fonts i could enjoy links2 even Dec 29 06:45:04 is there a way to bump from 2G to 3.5G while using the browser without going through settings? Dec 29 06:45:21 j #hardware Dec 29 06:45:22 trying to maximize battery life still lol Dec 29 06:45:37 uhhh Dec 29 06:45:37 oops :-) Dec 29 06:45:38 goddamn new keyboard Dec 29 06:45:41 lolsauce Dec 29 06:47:37 ood question phreck - almost surely yes Dec 29 06:48:06 wondering if i can script it... Dec 29 06:48:25 or if ts doable Dec 29 06:48:48 a userspace appliction makes the switch... Dec 29 06:49:05 i mean, i dont need 3g for mirc or any texting, just downloading apps and web browsing... Dec 29 06:49:16 hmmmm Dec 29 06:49:37 well, we should get an app up for testing. Dec 29 06:49:48 or at least a 3G widget. Dec 29 06:50:27 meh. ill get thesdk on my nix box tomorrow. Dec 29 06:51:56 do you have the source for the connection mgr? Dec 29 06:52:33 i dont think there is much documentation Dec 29 06:52:41 UI is closed Dec 29 06:53:44 yep... Dec 29 06:54:02 reversing might be possible. Dec 29 06:54:29 blahhh Dec 29 06:54:44 take a good read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages with emphasis on http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages#Requesting_the_opening_of_closed_components Dec 29 06:54:53 stskeeps, this is the daemon who monitors which net connections can be used? 2756 root 3352 S /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sa Dec 29 06:54:59 also was the wifi bug ever confirmed? Dec 29 06:55:15 ty Dec 29 06:55:18 jello69_: that's cellphone interface daemon afaik Dec 29 06:55:54 mm maybe that guy woke it up Dec 29 07:27:39 hello everyone Dec 29 07:27:53 OHAI Dec 29 07:28:23 thresh: I've found Euroset e-store base nearby yesterday :D Dec 29 07:28:28 cool Dec 29 07:28:47 now I'm a symbian coolhacker :D Dec 29 07:29:55 RST38h: around? Dec 29 07:57:05 * Arkenoi still tries to find a good protective case for n900. there are several belt-mounted models that fit, but i am looking for one to carry in a pocket Dec 29 08:00:07 Arkenoi: screen protector would be enough Dec 29 08:00:22 Arkenoi: unless you want to test fly app :D Dec 29 08:00:25 Arkenoi: if you will find and/or order one, please let me know or order two? :) Dec 29 08:01:21 wazd: i do not want one, as it doesn't look good and reduces both sensitivity and visibility. so i'd like just a good leather case Dec 29 08:02:15 EHLO ALL Dec 29 08:02:19 OHAI Dec 29 08:02:26 * Arkenoi btw tried pitek's belt-mounted model that fits good and seen the infamous magnet bug with my own eyes ;-) Dec 29 08:03:46 what is pitek and the magnet bug? Dec 29 08:04:02 btw, I have got xchat to usable state Dec 29 08:04:40 RST38bis: hey Dec 29 08:04:55 RST38bis: Roman is not responding again :( Dec 29 08:05:08 heya wazd, how are things? is s60 treating you fairly?;) Dec 29 08:05:20 wazd: ny Dec 29 08:06:47 RST38bis: got personal sertificate ;) Dec 29 08:07:03 ahh... full certificate? Dec 29 08:07:24 RST38bis: yep Dec 29 08:07:58 RST38bis: screen is lowres, system is damn fast overall :) Dec 29 08:08:13 RST38bis: Picodrive is awesome) Dec 29 08:09:29 RST38bis, ah, they are petek actually Dec 29 08:09:41 http://www.petek-shop.ru/ Dec 29 08:10:16 the magnet bug: put a small magnet close to the center of the screen and n900 will wake up and never go asleep until you remove the magnet Dec 29 08:10:17 anyone knows if I can expect mheigb font on every tablet? Dec 29 08:12:43 Arkenoi: ah I know why it happens Dec 29 08:12:50 has nothing to do with screens Dec 29 08:13:20 wazd: install more apps and it will slow down thoug Dec 29 08:14:46 RST38bis, btw what did you do with your old e70? Dec 29 08:14:56 morning guys... if you lock the screen of the N900, then press the power button to bring up the locked screen (where you have got to slide to unlock it), then keep your finger pressed on it.. it will never turn off the screen until you remove your finger Dec 29 08:15:29 I will file a bug on this.. as it can discharge the phone when locked in your pocket and for some Murphy law, it will happen Dec 29 08:16:33 RST38bis: well, I don't need much Dec 29 08:16:53 RST38bis: Jabber, IRC< CorePlayer, that's kinda all :) Dec 29 08:17:18 RST38bis: and it has 128 RAM btw :) Dec 29 08:17:29 arkenoi: and yes, wearing stuff on your belt in moscow is like wearing a sign "please, rob me" Dec 29 08:17:59 RST38bis: are you sure that's up-to-date info? Dec 29 08:18:06 arkenoi: nothing, it has been retired to the desk drawer for now Dec 29 08:18:37 Paul: what info? Dec 29 08:19:38 RST38bis, hmm, maybe you are walking wrong parts of Moscow, as i never had problems like that ;-) Dec 29 08:19:39 Hello RST38bis, pleased to meet you Dec 29 08:19:57 RST38bis: robbery in moscow Dec 29 08:20:02 Arkenoi: only if subway is the wrong part... Dec 29 08:20:28 Paul: pretty fresh, 3 days old I would say :) Dec 29 08:20:41 Anidel: mooo! Dec 29 08:20:44 RST38bis, what happened? Dec 29 08:21:23 Arkenoi: an acquaintance lost her keyring on the subway, pickpocketed during rush hour Dec 29 08:22:10 Arkenoi: No real value lost but replacing 10+ keys will be trouble Dec 29 08:22:22 rst38bis was just dutifully replying to your EHLO, I am kinda slow :p packing and leaving for a quite long train trip this morning Dec 29 08:22:25 Not exactly robbery i'd say Dec 29 08:22:46 who the hell needs someone else's keyring without any knowledge what those keys are for? Dec 29 08:23:01 poul: yep Dec 29 08:23:03 Probably she lost it herself Dec 29 08:23:11 Anidel: do you by any chance know if mhegb font is guaranteed to be on the device? Dec 29 08:23:49 Paul: when you lose you gadget this way and come here to complain, I will respond the same Dec 29 08:23:58 RST38bis: nope, no idea about that. I can check on 51-1 if you tell me the font name, are them in /usr/X11/fonts or similar? Dec 29 08:24:04 probably lost it yourself :) Dec 29 08:24:50 maybe it lost it itself Dec 29 08:24:56 Anidel: will be in xterm settings but never mind, I will catch and torture konttori :) Dec 29 08:25:06 that's more fun :) Dec 29 08:25:12 * Arkenoi heared much about pickpocketing in public transport but was a "victim" just once when very drunk (and reasonably well-dressed, not looking like an alcoholic and homeless) woman tried to find something in my pocket where was nothing anyways ;-) She tried to use a small bag to hide her actions ;-)) Dec 29 08:25:36 Arkenoi: well, it is not widespread Dec 29 08:25:38 Arkenoi, she was looking for your phone number Dec 29 08:25:58 she wasn't my type at all ;-) Dec 29 08:26:03 Arkenoi: but there is absolutely no need to invite it to happen Dec 29 08:26:04 Pickpocketing was my ticket into maemo :D Dec 29 08:26:09 but that was funny Dec 29 08:26:14 eheh Dec 29 08:26:30 cause my Loox 720 was stolen that way :) Dec 29 08:26:30 wazd: your pocketpc was stolen? :) Dec 29 08:26:36 ahhahaha Dec 29 08:27:00 I am not sure Naples would be any safer than Moscow in this pickpocketing battle Dec 29 08:27:49 well, actually belt mounted case is not easy prey as you are likely to notice if there is something suspicious going on Dec 29 08:27:53 russian pickpocketers are so tough that they can pick things from your underwear :D Dec 29 08:28:48 Yeah, I agree Dec 29 08:28:51 they say that if you drive with your arm (and wistwatch) outside the car window (as it'd be very warm during the summer) then the Neapolitans would be able to pickpocket it the same Dec 29 08:28:59 RST38bis: (respond the same way) sorry. It's just a bit too weird to hear about pick-pocketers taking useless keys. Dec 29 08:29:01 wazd: which makes them on par with TSA Dec 29 08:29:33 Paul: well they took what they found Dec 29 08:30:20 Anidel: it is actually not that bad here but there are too many people, too tightlu packed, so statistics go into play Dec 29 08:30:33 (TSA) lol. I've heard that the USA hackers can no longer use laptop during the flights :D Dec 29 08:31:27 thieves rarely steal from pockets and belt bags, they prefer stealing stuff from women bags, wallets and mobile phones are likely to be there and it is much harder to pay attention to. Dec 29 08:31:36 rst38bis: indeed.. same in every big ciry I'd suspect Dec 29 08:31:40 s/ciry/city Dec 29 08:31:57 breakfast, brb Dec 29 08:32:01 yea, pockets are actually difficult Dec 29 08:32:15 but belt bag sounds mighty easy to steal from Dec 29 08:33:06 RST38bis, it is on your front and in direct sight Dec 29 08:33:47 * ifreq puts tinfoil hat on so no one can hear me scream inside of my mind :-P Dec 29 08:34:12 Arkenoi: not on the subway, in the crowd Dec 29 08:34:58 quick question: xchat channel chooser, top or the bottom of the screen?? Dec 29 08:35:10 (votes accepted) Dec 29 08:36:05 left :) Dec 29 08:36:05 RST38bis, i used belt mounted case in the summer, no problems so far. It is safer that outer pockets at least Dec 29 08:36:23 or top as tabs Dec 29 08:36:31 left is out of the question on n900 Dec 29 08:36:48 RST38bis: I vote for the tabs on the bottom Dec 29 08:37:05 ok, 1 top, 1 bottom Dec 29 08:37:17 more votes? Dec 29 08:37:31 bottom Dec 29 08:37:40 1:2 Dec 29 08:37:50 bootom should be toolbar Dec 29 08:38:00 that's the law Dec 29 08:38:05 2:2 :) Dec 29 08:38:20 no toolbar in xchat, bt there is input line on the bottom Dec 29 08:38:27 wazd: laws have flaws, and rules are for fools :) Dec 29 08:38:29 RST38bis: input then Dec 29 08:39:00 * RST38bis also thinks about the top Dec 29 08:39:29 so that these tabs do not interfere with input Dec 29 08:39:41 well, actually i said "bottom" as it is there in my desktop setup Dec 29 08:39:50 yea Dec 29 08:39:54 xchat? srsly? Dec 29 08:39:55 maybe top is actually better for finger tapping Dec 29 08:40:18 they are more for nail tapping though :) Dec 29 08:41:19 xchat was my introduction to avoid running X as root Dec 29 08:42:14 IRC is just weird like this I don't see how it fits into a maemo device Dec 29 08:42:16 bottom actually feels better when I try it... hmmm Dec 29 08:42:31 finger selection does work Dec 29 08:43:05 Morning, all Dec 29 08:43:05 oh I gotta keep poking about this one, are any of you N900 users? Dec 29 08:43:16 lucent: what do you think? Dec 29 08:43:36 I seek news about the Ovi Store, it's a little off-topic but I was hoping for some more clued individuals to clue me in :) Dec 29 08:43:43 no news yet Dec 29 08:43:49 been waiting for its opening also. Dec 29 08:44:08 not for the apps but syncing and shit :P Dec 29 08:44:08 yeah, are you going to take a chance on the rebate and hope it gets honored, or wait to send it in? Dec 29 08:44:18 lucent: well, nokia is always secret about "launching" products and so on.. Dec 29 08:44:25 ohhh Dec 29 08:44:26 can't really expect any date Dec 29 08:44:27 not USA Dec 29 08:44:34 * lucent /whois'ez Dec 29 08:45:04 nope, no rebates here Dec 29 08:45:08 the USA rebate is like $50 visa prepaid if I sign up for Ovi Store, but I'm not clear what constitutes signing up for the store Dec 29 08:46:59 fcrozat: I guess that's new news for me Dec 29 08:47:45 is N900 totally useless? Dec 29 08:47:55 whoops I forgot to type what I was going to ask in that question Dec 29 08:48:06 is N900's *GPS* totally useless? Dec 29 08:48:33 No. Dec 29 08:48:41 it seemed to work for 10 seconds after the first time I used , now it never looks like it has a signal Dec 29 08:49:31 what tricks are needed to help it work, or is my case unusual? Dec 29 08:49:35 and youre testing it outside right? Dec 29 08:49:46 not in a car /house whatsoever Dec 29 08:49:52 yeah outside while snowboarding Dec 29 08:50:08 oki then it should work just nicely Dec 29 08:51:21 need to test gps functionality more then if its really problemati Dec 29 08:51:21 gps works quite fine Dec 29 08:51:23 c Dec 29 08:51:27 And with what application are you using it? Dec 29 08:51:31 for geo tagging and the map Dec 29 08:51:49 I miss maemo mapper :/ Dec 29 08:51:56 well since it doesn't work, I did not try an application Dec 29 08:52:02 i want google maps :P Dec 29 08:52:14 the "satellite" icon always said there was no fix or something like that Dec 29 08:52:28 ifreq: it works? you mean google maps with gps? Dec 29 08:52:28 "coarse accuracy?" Dec 29 08:52:33 yep that's it Dec 29 08:52:52 only I had no cellular service so it was something like no location Dec 29 08:52:55 Markus23: heh now im not sure :) Dec 29 08:53:09 lucent: are you connected to internet? Dec 29 08:53:24 lucent: GPS-A needs connection to internet to download the position of satellits Dec 29 08:53:32 oh Dec 29 08:53:33 Markus23: seems it does acc to googlemaps site Dec 29 08:53:38 I did not use it without Dec 29 08:53:39 BTW, i think today's night i had a dream where someone told me that n900 gps problems were solved. Dec 29 08:53:39 the only thing that I found strange in symbian v3 UI is statusbar Dec 29 08:53:46 do not know how well it works then... Dec 29 08:53:47 Markus23: I can't be connected to Internet access on the mountain side Dec 29 08:54:02 so that might be .... helpful to explain why it's not working quite right Dec 29 08:54:04 lucent: yeah, but you could be connected before Dec 29 08:54:19 gotta go.. see ya guys Dec 29 08:54:27 well when I have Internet access, I am on a bus heading towards the mountain Dec 29 08:54:29 once you have your gps connection you may not lose it Dec 29 08:54:38 EDGE access fades out just before I arrive Dec 29 08:54:39 loose Dec 29 08:54:47 it doesn't show wifi status, elements are jumping Dec 29 08:55:16 doesnt ovi maps need internet connection for updating maps? Dec 29 08:55:25 even it has proper gps signal aye? Dec 29 08:55:40 Is it possible to have a mail filter for imap in maemo5? Dec 29 08:55:49 or how do you guys handle your spam on n900? Dec 29 08:56:00 Markus23: that logically makes no sense :P Dec 29 08:56:06 I haven't tackled built-in mail on N900 Dec 29 08:56:07 mail filters for IMAP are server-side Dec 29 08:56:09 Markus23: using prespam filters :P Dec 29 08:56:18 lucent: the mails are already tagged Dec 29 08:56:25 but I dont want to get notification for it Dec 29 08:57:39 Markus23: what kind of server platform? Dec 29 08:57:47 postfix, courier, maildrop Dec 29 08:57:49 you dont happen to have shell access into it? Dec 29 08:57:51 ah ok Dec 29 08:58:08 then you could do local .procmail rules to move spam tagged to another dir than inbox Dec 29 08:58:18 ifreq: any idea how to tag the mails readed? Dec 29 08:58:25 ifreq: they are already in separated spam folder Dec 29 08:58:30 but I still get notifications.. Dec 29 08:58:36 ah okay, but youre still getting notifications Dec 29 08:58:41 yes ;( Dec 29 08:58:41 you could unsubscribe that folder Dec 29 08:58:50 tho then you cant see whats inside of it ;P Dec 29 08:59:08 how to do it? Dec 29 08:59:36 folder details has nothing then how many mails are there and the size Dec 29 08:59:45 I don't see anything I could change on the device Dec 29 09:00:05 nope you prob need some proper email client to change such settings Dec 29 09:00:28 so the default e-mail client is not proper? Dec 29 09:00:33 https://spaces.umbc.edu/display/hd2/Subscribe+to+Folders+in+Mozilla+Thunderbird Dec 29 09:00:55 Markus23: well its not ADVANCED atleast Dec 29 09:01:41 mmh, getting spam is not really advanced :-) Dec 29 09:01:49 you can do the unsubscribing with and it affects all the clients you use afterwards with IMAP Dec 29 09:02:06 yeah well thats something you should discuss with your ISP/admin Dec 29 09:02:08 not us :P Dec 29 09:02:10 ok, I could do that Dec 29 09:02:29 yeah, its one solution.. tho then you miss stuff inside the SPAM folder Dec 29 09:05:23 ifreq: no, that does not work.. I unsubscribed it here with kmail (and it does not show up there), but it still shows up on n900 Dec 29 09:07:25 even got a new mail there... so it seems it is still subscribed Dec 29 09:07:50 okay mayb its then client based. ive newer kept the spam folder visible so dunno Dec 29 09:08:43 atleast the sites say it should not shown with other clients either Dec 29 09:08:53 im sure you turned your email client off etc so :P Dec 29 09:09:29 changed you do for subscibed folders are effected globally via your IMAP box says all the sites ive been now Dec 29 09:09:59 ifreq: maybe other clients unsubscribe it automatically, *if* they have the feature Dec 29 09:10:09 yeah Dec 29 09:10:26 we dunno how the email client on n900 handles the box after 1st sync Dec 29 09:10:35 is is still seen as imap box or local box+folders Dec 29 09:10:37 ifreq: you are using thunderbird on n900? Dec 29 09:11:01 nope, im using the default Dec 29 09:11:14 ifreq: yes, I see the folder "spam" on n900, but not for kmail Dec 29 09:11:55 so you mean when I do the imap setup again it might be away? Dec 29 09:12:06 yeah well thats a solution Dec 29 09:12:32 just remember by unsubscribing you have change to miss some real emails if they are tagged for some reason :P Dec 29 09:12:51 but guess you rather keep it that way instead of watching the spam flow Dec 29 09:12:52 :) Dec 29 09:13:10 yes, that is much better :-) Dec 29 09:13:14 get spam every minute Dec 29 09:13:20 Markus23: you don't need internet connection to use the gps... A-GPS allows you to lock on faster, but you can lock on without Dec 29 09:13:28 it makes notification useless Dec 29 09:13:39 (and disturbing) Dec 29 09:14:08 villager: yeah, but as I stated I have not tried gps without internet connection Dec 29 09:14:15 villager: do you have experience how well it works? Dec 29 09:14:29 yeah I've used the gps in ovi maps... works fine Dec 29 09:15:00 though I did have gsm coverage Dec 29 09:15:03 villager: how long does it take until you have your position? Dec 29 09:15:29 with a-gps? dunno, 5-10 seconds? Dec 29 09:15:31 mmh, so maybe you got the file over EDGE or something Dec 29 09:15:41 yeah, I know a-gps is very fast Dec 29 09:15:45 what file? the ovi map? Dec 29 09:15:56 no the file with the satellite positions Dec 29 09:16:04 the difference between normal gps and a-gps Dec 29 09:16:08 the assistent information Dec 29 09:16:11 whatever it is called Dec 29 09:16:14 there's a file with satellite position? Dec 29 09:16:24 maybe you received it over gsm? Dec 29 09:16:32 5-10 sec is too fast for normal gps Dec 29 09:16:48 why do you think there's a file? Dec 29 09:17:03 villager: maybe not a file on the device, maybe just in ram, don't know Dec 29 09:17:48 n900 is really great btw., it does much more then I expected from it Dec 29 09:17:52 I don't think there's a file anywhere Dec 29 09:18:14 yeah, that could be easily true Dec 29 09:18:34 you don't have much of it, after rebooting you are most likely somewhere else Dec 29 09:18:57 with a-gps, the internal gps sends whatever information it has to the a-gps server, and then the a-gps server calculates some stuff and sends the result back, as I understand it Dec 29 09:18:58 just gief google maps and im happy with it :P Dec 29 09:19:26 'gief'? Dec 29 09:19:37 http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published lol. what a silly idiots. "and that operators, by simply modifying the existing algorithm, could thwart any unintended surveillance" - and that's just a lie. Dec 29 09:19:58 timeless_mbp: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gief Dec 29 09:21:01 ifreq: would it hurt you so much to leave WoW outside? Dec 29 09:21:16 the result from the a-gps server is used to accelerate the internal gps lock Dec 29 09:21:22 villager: no, you get some error correction information and so on, which you normally need to receive over gps Dec 29 09:21:36 villager: so its not a "calculation helper" Dec 29 09:22:01 villager: you're probably thinking about (reverse) geocoding Dec 29 09:22:28 in gps, since you're positioning, the trick is to figure out "which satellites are likely overhead, and approximately how should they be positioned" Dec 29 09:22:37 an almanac helps with that Dec 29 09:22:46 Markus23: guess you have to go correct wikipedia then Dec 29 09:22:50 as does having a good idea of where you physically are Dec 29 09:23:14 villager: mmh, german wikipedia says it like I understood it Dec 29 09:23:41 villager: please indicate the precise article/section Dec 29 09:23:46 maybe I just explained it bad english and we misunderstand Dec 29 09:23:54 german wikipedia has >1 million articles Dec 29 09:24:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS Dec 29 09:24:11 * kirma wonders if GSM/3GPP has any newer encryption profiles that could be enforced on handsets that support them Dec 29 09:24:13 so getting someone to find the right errant article isn't necessarily simple Dec 29 09:24:26 The assistance server has a good satellite signal, and plentiful computation power, so it can compare fragmentary signals relayed to it by cell phones, with the satellite signal it receives directly, and then inform the cell phone or emergency services of the cell phone's position. Dec 29 09:24:46 if I remember right, they have no-encryption and very weak encryption variants in addition to the "normal" level from the start Dec 29 09:25:35 timeless_mbp: well left it half year ago. cmon dont start to whine about one word ;) Dec 29 09:25:43 problems with GSM encryption have been practically public knowledge for a decade at least Dec 29 09:26:12 villager: my description of what agps can do seems roughly in line with what the first bulleted section lists Dec 29 09:26:16 kirma: just fuck them. SIP+SRTP is our future :-) Dec 29 09:26:57 e63 has default sip integration btw, nice Dec 29 09:27:04 maybe so, but unlikely to become truly widespread in five years Dec 29 09:27:06 > A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use a data connection (Internet or other) to contact the assistance server for A-GPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous or standalone GPS, it may use standard GPS, which is sometimes slower on Time To First Fix, but does not depend on the network, and therefore can work beyond network range and need not pay fees for data traffic.[3] Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of fal Dec 29 09:27:06 back to standalone or autonomous GPS. Dec 29 09:27:22 the article also clearly indicates that it does use a data connection Dec 29 09:27:45 anybody knows if it would be doable to get sound from mic directly to headphone ? I have isolating earphones and would like to use the n900 to avoid removing them when someone talks to me at work :) Dec 29 09:27:46 and please note that the n900 message about using a-gps is fairly clear (if you could call Nokia Finglish clear) about this Dec 29 09:27:47 nobody has denied the data connection Dec 29 09:28:13 kirma: at least you do not rely on the operator to provide you communications security (fuck "lawful" interception as well, too many abuses) Dec 29 09:28:31 assisted GPS isn't very precisely defined technology... and basic A-GPS wouldn't necessarily require bidirectional or non-broadcast communication Dec 29 09:29:01 [9:13am] Markus23: you don't need internet connection to use the gps... A-GPS allows you to lock on faster, but you can lock on without Dec 29 09:29:16 villager: sorry, that sentence was ambiguous or at least misleading Dec 29 09:29:17 timeless_mbp: yes? Dec 29 09:29:31 timeless_mbp: nobody has denied that A-GPS needs internet connection Dec 29 09:29:32 the almanac/coarse location data could be broadcast with easier-to-intercept signals than GPS/GSM, but it has turned out to be most practical solution at least for now Dec 29 09:29:33 one reading says that A-GPS can be used without a net connection Dec 29 09:29:45 the other says taht GPS can be used w/o a net connection Dec 29 09:29:48 timeless_mbp: I say you can use GPS without net connection Dec 29 09:30:04 villager: i'm saying that your use of English is ambiguous and misleading Dec 29 09:30:06 trust me. Dec 29 09:30:12 timeless_mbp: that's the first part of what I said... I don't see the ambiguity Dec 29 09:30:15 bleader: if you have the mic transfering everything going on around you out to the headphones doens't that make the noise canceling aspect of them useless? Dec 29 09:30:36 villager: the second part doesn't specifically indicate that A-GPS is only w/ the data connection Dec 29 09:30:38 back to lucent it seems like no one has tested gps completely without gsm Dec 29 09:30:43 there's a reading which doesn't connect it that way Dec 29 09:30:46 would be interesting if it really works :-) Dec 29 09:30:58 Proteous: the purpose is to avoid removing the headphones when someone talks to me, kind of the "push to hear" device sold by shure Dec 29 09:30:59 ok lucent has tested it and claims it does not work Dec 29 09:30:59 timeless_mbp: I thought he knew that A-GPS requires internet connection, since he was talking about it Dec 29 09:31:02 villager: i'm going to assert that you're Norwegian and not a native speaker Dec 29 09:31:24 anyway Dec 29 09:31:26 Proteous: so it's just temporary, not all the time :) Dec 29 09:31:29 * timeless_mbp goes to hunt strings Dec 29 09:31:31 if 3GPP really wanted it, they could standardize cell broadcast of almanac/region data that would be basic infrastructure service Dec 29 09:31:31 bleader: I see Dec 29 09:31:52 bleader: "could you talk into the mic please! I don't want to take my headphones off!" Dec 29 09:32:29 :D Dec 29 09:32:47 whats the best way to make a *full* backup of n900? Dec 29 09:32:54 I thought about rsync Dec 29 09:33:02 thats a good thought Dec 29 09:33:15 dd over LAN via netcat Dec 29 09:33:17 *g* Dec 29 09:33:17 unsolder the flash chips from the board and attached it to a reader then plug that into your computer Dec 29 09:33:31 Yeah... right on it Dec 29 09:33:51 ifreq: is it possible to restore it? even the parts in the small bootup-flash Dec 29 09:33:59 dd is fine, but restoring that backup might turn tricky Dec 29 09:34:01 Markus23: yeah, tho it may need some fsck Dec 29 09:34:15 ah yeah that too *kirma noted* Dec 29 09:34:25 as you usually restore it via livesystem (ie livecd) Dec 29 09:34:33 forgot that part :P Dec 29 09:34:45 well, of course with file systems without snapshots, file system images may turn out to be inconsistent Dec 29 09:34:52 and quite often they do Dec 29 09:34:53 you can bootup n900 via a live-system? Dec 29 09:34:53 it will turn :) Dec 29 09:35:04 timeless_mbp: if you're going to insult my english skills, then I'm going to assert that you're a nitpicker who seems to actually like writing sentences double as long as needed just to clarify information already understood by both parties of the conversation, deal? Dec 29 09:35:10 Markus23: heh nope . my comment was partly a joke and 100% true but not maemo related Dec 29 09:35:23 deal Dec 29 09:35:32 usb-booting of n900 is technically possible, but I don't know if it's documented :) Dec 29 09:35:56 ok, so the restore will involve reflashing Dec 29 09:36:32 is it possible to get a flash image of the current state, so that I can use nokias flashing tool to write it on the device again? Dec 29 09:36:51 (maybe just with dd and some compressing?) Dec 29 09:36:55 no i doubt it. Dec 29 09:37:26 who's DaveP1 here? Dec 29 09:37:46 id rather sync my apps and settings/contacts via network and restore from there.. but no good solution yet.. and ovi doesnt look rdy Dec 29 09:39:00 I got the idea that nokia development devices included ethernet that is used quite a lot in internal development, and there hasn't been much of a need to support fancy stuff over other interfaces, except nokia-supplied usb firmware reflashes of course Dec 29 09:39:39 ifreq: ok, I will try to do that Dec 29 09:39:48 Markus23: roughly speaking... Dec 29 09:39:56 with hardware which is not provided by nokia Dec 29 09:40:04 it is possible to get an image of the device as is Dec 29 09:40:14 however, as that hardware is not provided by nokia (or anyone else) Dec 29 09:40:25 it is generally considered impossible for normal end users :) Dec 29 09:40:37 so its not worth to mention :) Dec 29 09:40:43 don't go off bricking your device Dec 29 09:40:43 apps? fortunately I only need to sync calendar and contacts over the network, and I've got that working fine Dec 29 09:40:49 ok, special hardware would be overkill for my purposes anyway Dec 29 09:40:52 and certainly don't use it without making proper backups Dec 29 09:41:01 hye everybody Dec 29 09:41:11 any tipps on installing rsync Dec 29 09:41:15 initiating boot process through USB to get device in sort-of "diskless" mode would be interesting, and it's directly supported by stock OMAP3 SoC, but if that works directly with N900... oh, couldn't know. Dec 29 09:41:25 I am trying to build fennec burt always face e problem with _xpidlgen/nsIPhoneSupport.h Dec 29 09:41:27 I don't want to break my device before i have done the first backup :-) Dec 29 09:41:29 any ideas ? Dec 29 09:41:54 that way one could maybe get the device in state where one could read/reflash flashes in consistent state Dec 29 09:41:58 djook: give us the compiler message Dec 29 09:42:16 its french localized Dec 29 09:42:19 make[7]: *** Pas de règle pour fabriquer la cible « _xpidlgen/nsIPhoneSupport.h », nécessaire pour « export ». Arrêt. Dec 29 09:42:27 no rules to build target ... Dec 29 09:42:42 this file seems to not exist anywhere Dec 29 09:42:49 that's weird Dec 29 09:43:36 djook: please put it on pastebin and run it with LC_ALL=C Dec 29 09:43:57 or at least try to translate the french text :-) Dec 29 09:44:09 I did Dec 29 09:44:18 no rules to build target for export Dec 29 09:45:58 kirma, there seems to be code in the initscripts for booting from usb, but as n900 then didn't end up having host mode it's kinda useless.. :) Dec 29 09:46:03 djook: sorry, this does not help, have no idea, maybe the real error was before Dec 29 09:46:35 i'll try again anyway Dec 29 09:46:36 thanks Dec 29 09:46:53 is pr1.1 released yet ? :) Dec 29 09:47:03 Hexagon: over christmas vacation Dec 29 09:47:10 can you imagine a worse time to try? Dec 29 09:47:21 it would have been a nice christmas present, sure Dec 29 09:47:21 shadowjk: what I'm referring is the USB-boot support the OMAP3 manual documents - functionality directly on the SoC. I suspect the ROM part for that is overridden by Nokia though... Dec 29 09:47:23 hehe sure Dec 29 09:47:32 and in fact it was given out to testers in time for christmas Dec 29 09:47:40 it's even usefully documented Dec 29 09:47:47 yeah, saw that Dec 29 09:47:55 hope it's coming soon though Dec 29 09:47:55 but having missed the christmas target, it's unreasonable to expect the elfs to finish it over christmas Dec 29 09:48:05 Rain Man died :( Dec 29 09:48:17 WTF Dec 29 09:48:20 when? Dec 29 09:48:38 on 19th Dec 29 09:48:53 what is the "Mac OS" folder for? Dec 29 09:48:56 can I delete it? Dec 29 09:48:58 I thought it wouldn't require host mode to work, but be rather a protocol between OMAP3 acting as device and USB host being somebody else communicating with specified protocol Dec 29 09:49:08 Markus23: that's a FAQ Dec 29 09:49:12 ok Dec 29 09:49:19 Markus23: roughly, OS X is a Unix Dec 29 09:49:36 Unixes have a tradition of hiding files/folders that start with a '.' Dec 29 09:49:44 wazd: sad to hear, he was the man =) Dec 29 09:49:48 maemo5.shmuma.ru is down.. Dec 29 09:50:07 Hexagon: I think he wasn't a man, he was beyond :) Dec 29 09:50:11 For reasons which are incredibly depressing (and which you can find me explaining repeatedly in the irc logs of this channel), the main folders used by Maemo are named with dots Dec 29 09:50:30 as a result, if you plug your n900 into a mac, what you would see otherwise is an empty device Dec 29 09:50:36 which get info would say is wasting a lot of space Dec 29 09:50:37 wazd: sure thing =) Dec 29 09:50:43 the natural response to this is to 'reformat' Dec 29 09:50:46 to get the missing space back Dec 29 09:51:14 having done that, once you eject your n900, you'd look and see that your n900 has lost all its data Dec 29 09:51:19 well, that'd surely suck Dec 29 09:51:31 Markus23: make sense so far? Dec 29 09:52:13 OS X has a special file type called an 'alias', which enables one to manage a shortcut (e.g. to those hidden folders) even if the file system is FAT (which it is) Dec 29 09:52:51 the folder (misnamed, it should be Mac OS X) merely has aliases to each of the hidden folders so that a mac user can get to the data that is unfortunately hidden on the volume Dec 29 09:52:55 jeremiah_: ping Dec 29 09:53:18 if you delete the folder, then the next time you insert your n900 into your friend's mac (you do have friends, right?) Dec 29 09:53:25 .. you won't be able to see your data Dec 29 09:53:47 mmh, but there are other unixes (not Mac OS X) too, don't they have the same problem? Dec 29 09:53:57 Markus23: they also have no user base Dec 29 09:54:07 and their users might be more technically savy Dec 29 09:54:18 but yes, they're screwed too Dec 29 09:54:20 tough :) Dec 29 09:54:38 timeless_mbp: ok, you should add that to http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ :-) Dec 29 09:54:39 again, you can read an explanation of the rest of this from the irc logs Dec 29 09:54:56 Markus23: if it's editable, you're free to copy this version and my previous versions :) Dec 29 09:55:02 i don't play well with wikis Dec 29 09:55:07 so unless no mac user plug it in, it is not needed Dec 29 09:55:23 timeless_mbp: not sure if I got it 100% correct Dec 29 09:55:37 Markus23: roughly speaking, the folder costs a few k, maybe say 16k Dec 29 09:55:45 timeless_mbp: don't care about formatting, someone else can correct it Dec 29 09:55:59 the penalty for deleting it is considerably higher than the value in deleting the folder Dec 29 09:56:07 so everyone should leave it alone Dec 29 09:57:20 and yes, as noted previously, the folder should have included a friendly explanation of "why you should not delete this folder" Dec 29 09:57:33 wonder if anybody has tried out this stuff with N900: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/2b9e99886bb7a747 ... and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery#USB_recovery Dec 29 09:57:40 how ovten can you use flash until the battery is empty? Dec 29 09:58:06 of course, slightly more challenging to test since one would need to continue communication over USB in practice Dec 29 09:58:46 Markus23: afaik no one has measured that Dec 29 09:58:52 there are variables, e.g. autofocus Dec 29 09:58:59 geocoding enabled Dec 29 09:58:59 anyone has any idea when rdesktop-gui is going to be fixed to work with servers that are run on nonstandard port? Dec 29 09:59:03 screen brightness Dec 29 09:59:12 cellular enabled Dec 29 09:59:14 cellular band Dec 29 09:59:16 ... Dec 29 09:59:29 dnaumov: did you or someone else file a bug? :) Dec 29 09:59:36 timeless_mbp: I think flash needs most of battery, other variables may not be very important Dec 29 09:59:47 Markus23: from memory that's inaccurate :) Dec 29 10:00:19 timeless_mbp: where do I check Dec 29 10:00:40 dnaumov: some packages have a bug reporting header which tells you where to file bugs... Dec 29 10:01:03 if it's a well maintained extras item it probably has its own bugs.maemo.org product in the Extras classification Dec 29 10:01:13 stupid connection Dec 29 10:01:24 its also a quite obvious bug, because connecting to standard port rdp server works using rdesktop-gui and rdesktop-cli can connect to both standard AND nonstandard ports Dec 29 10:01:37 Anyway does music on maemo have to go in .sounds or can it go anywhere on the fs i see when i plug it in to my computer? Dec 29 10:01:51 almost as if rdesktop-gui tries to resolve hostname:port completely as a hostname Dec 29 10:02:16 it's not going to get fixed unless bugreports are filed Dec 29 10:02:26 jkimball4, you can put it anywhere, atleast anywhere under MyDocs Dec 29 10:03:18 ok Dec 29 10:03:21 thanks flux Dec 29 10:03:39 jkimball4, actually, hang on a minute, I might need to revise that :) Dec 29 10:03:57 yeah, I've put stuff to ~user/MyDocs/Video 2 and it has worked Dec 29 10:04:22 curiously tracker.cfg says, though: WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/ Dec 29 10:04:38 so maybe those directories are better if you want it to reach immediately. maybe. Dec 29 10:04:50 timeless_mbp: there is no rdesktop category on bugs.maemo.org :) Dec 29 10:05:06 I guess its because its not in official extras as of now, only in extras-devel Dec 29 10:05:22 dnaumov: well, then you'll have to use the meta data and contact the maintainer Dec 29 10:05:34 ShadowJK++ Dec 29 10:06:16 I thought bug reporting contact was requirement for extras? Dec 29 10:08:25 I dug up the maintainer's address Dec 29 10:08:35 ShadowJK: dunno Dec 29 10:08:49 dnaumov: check the extras builder output Dec 29 10:09:04 if there's a bug reporting field, you should use it instead of directly nagging Dec 29 10:09:10 * timeless_mbp has now missed 2-3 sessions and breakfast Dec 29 10:09:55 http://maemo.org/packages/view/rdesktop/ Dec 29 10:18:18 so no bug db Dec 29 10:18:29 dnaumov: while you're talking to the maintainer, ask him to add a bugdb Dec 29 10:18:45 tell him that if he wants a bugs.maemo.org product, maemo.org will gladly provide it Dec 29 10:19:13 how should it be written when I wan to write in a debian/control file that the package foo depends on foo-pkg1 or foo-pkg2? Dec 29 10:19:33 shouldn't it be Depends: navit-opengl || navit-sdl ? Dec 29 10:19:43 * timeless_mbp thought it was 1 pipe Dec 29 10:20:18 I mean Depends: foo-pkg1 || foo-pkg2 Dec 29 10:20:20 :P Dec 29 10:20:23 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships Dec 29 10:20:34 Depends: foo-pkg1 | foo-pkg2 Dec 29 10:20:50 thanks timeless_mbp :) Dec 29 10:30:08 What is the safest way to install rsync? Dec 29 10:30:22 dont want to break my device before I have done the first backup Dec 29 10:31:18 Markus23: Enable extras-testing, apt-get install rsync, disable extras-testing. Dec 29 10:31:42 it's difficult to break a device just by installing packages like that. Dec 29 10:32:03 especially tbose that don't run any services on the device, etc. Dec 29 10:32:18 (daemons) Dec 29 10:32:23 And fwiw, I've used that one without problems. Dec 29 10:32:44 rsynced away all my holiday pictures while on the road ;) Dec 29 10:32:49 X-Fade: thank you! Dec 29 10:33:06 but i need the gainroot too? Dec 29 10:33:24 Markus23: enable extras and install rootsh Dec 29 10:33:36 depends what you want to rsync. Dec 29 10:33:54 Veggen: apt-get needs root. Dec 29 10:35:09 X-Fade: oh, yah. but you can add the repository and install it the normal way. Dec 29 10:35:37 (the normal maemo way, that is, I often prefer apt-get myself :) Dec 29 10:39:15 timeless: I'm ok not to display a 1 million char tooltips, but shouldn't the limit be raised at least? Dec 29 10:40:57 any suggestions on games two people could play over ad-hoc wlan with an n810 and an n900? Dec 29 10:43:48 flux: err... installing games on the n810 is like trying to cram elephants into a phone booth Dec 29 10:44:45 Don't know if Wormux or any of the 2d titles have network functionality though... I've never tried Dec 29 10:45:22 but ultimately all those games are turn based to the extent that it makes using multiple handhelds redundant Dec 29 10:46:08 just play chess on one machine :P Dec 29 10:59:54 ok, thats really easy Dec 29 10:59:59 and now there are much more apps to install :-) Dec 29 11:00:10 What is about those .install files? Dec 29 11:00:23 is it possible to copy them to maemo and click on them? Dec 29 11:00:45 why on earth you want todo so? Dec 29 11:00:56 whats wrong with appmanager and apt-get? Dec 29 11:01:11 ifreq: nothing, its perfect Dec 29 11:01:39 ifreq: but to install software not in a repository which is currently added I thought there is this ".install" solution Dec 29 11:01:45 is this information not correct? Dec 29 11:02:07 as I understood it, it will add a new repository and install the software Dec 29 11:03:01 dunno, ive added the few extra repos by hand Dec 29 11:03:31 ifreq: /etc/apt/sources.list or using something graphical? Dec 29 11:03:37 appmanager Dec 29 11:04:35 ok, yeah thats perfect then Dec 29 11:05:08 I even think that .install might be a security risk, adding repositories by hand is better Dec 29 11:09:02 Someone should publish a new version of Modest (package name 'Hubris') containing bug 3941, bug 3700 and bug 2563 patches (since the last two'll probably never make it into a proper release) Dec 29 11:09:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 Signature separator misses trailing space (RFC 3676 violation) Dec 29 11:09:06 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) Dec 29 11:09:07 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying Dec 29 11:10:06 wow, installing software goes really fast Dec 29 11:25:11 can i have an nfs client on my n900? Dec 29 11:38:41 gadgetoid_mbp, n810 does have games, it doesn't have to be fast-paced :) Dec 29 11:39:12 flux: It has games if you can fit them on it, har! Dec 29 11:39:16 What about SIMON2 :D Dec 29 11:40:51 gadgetoid_mbp, you mean it doesn't have capacity for games? it has plenty of capacity, if you don't stick everything to /, you can put memory cards innit you know ;) Dec 29 11:41:31 flux: Too much effort :D unless you're talking ROMs Dec 29 11:41:46 I'm just going to shove Mer on mine, and giggle Dec 29 11:42:35 hi.. I've got the following problem w/ that debian/rules file ( http://pastebin.com/d62abc08 ) : I want to create two different versions of navit.. but at the end the folder debian/navit-opengl is empty.. what's wrong? Dec 29 11:42:37 I, personally, already have a memroy card stuck in, so not extra effort for me.. although, the apps should support it too. Dec 29 11:42:55 in any case, yoy can put an excellent game in nly one megabyte Dec 29 11:44:00 thopiekar: cool, you got navit running on n900 ? Dec 29 11:45:37 nah.. just working on packaging it for my launchpad-repo ( http://launchpad.net ) for ubuntu.. Dec 29 11:45:43 thopiekar: just in case, did you try uncommenting out the dh_install thing in the binary part, orr adding one ? Dec 29 11:46:06 but I will try to get it work on internet tablets and the n900, too Dec 29 11:46:22 i spend the other day trying to figure out how to use the binary map they use for open street map, and failed. Dec 29 11:46:40 on n900's if my scratchbox target would work.. but I can't get it working somehow.. Dec 29 11:46:43 but it just rox how lots of open street map data can fit in such small size Dec 29 11:47:18 i failed at compiling it on the sdk, as well as on ubuntu Dec 29 11:47:30 the only plateform it compiled was fedora12 Dec 29 11:48:32 melmoth: I thought that navit is crap like tangogps or other "useless" ( for some people it usefull, dunno why :P ) software.. Dec 29 11:48:47 tangogps isn't useless Dec 29 11:48:49 it supports caching Dec 29 11:48:50 :P Dec 29 11:49:02 but this page made me thinking of packaging it -> http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ Dec 29 11:49:26 Stskeeps: yes and that's what I really don't need :D Dec 29 11:49:37 well, it s obvioulsy unfinished, but still, it s really impressive Dec 29 11:50:00 ok maybe usefull for adding data to osm :) Dec 29 11:50:11 i once played with openstreetmap for a n810 gps application (sayhoo, in extras). Dec 29 11:50:34 the way i handled things made me eat 100Mb of ram to store the graph of "points" for all paris. Dec 29 11:50:58 the navit guy using the same sources (open street map), make all france fit in 300Mb Dec 29 11:51:05 Stskeeps: do you know where the problem in my debian/rules is? Dec 29 11:52:06 thopiekar: did you try adding dh_install ? Dec 29 11:52:28 melmoth: If I get my problem fixed I'm going to add these layouts: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts Dec 29 11:53:15 melmoth: it seems that I commented it out.. what is it for? Dec 29 11:53:53 ah ok I will check google first :D Dec 29 11:53:55 i m not sure, but i once had a similar issue (deb packaeg were empty) that was solved by using this dh_install thingy Dec 29 11:54:25 i m not that used to deb packaging, it s a bit voodoo to me, so when it works, i continue to use a trick, without understanding all of it Dec 29 11:55:08 I think it happens when it comes to build the other version.. here sdl.. Dec 29 11:56:09 while building the opengl version the files are there but after the sdl build they have been removed.. Dec 29 11:57:36 fixing that by creating an archive before building the sdl-version and unpacking it after the sdl version wouldn't be the way I like.. Dec 29 11:57:38 :P Dec 29 12:08:54 remoo. Dec 29 12:09:38 where does media player keep its cache ? Dec 29 12:10:37 ha! one of the debhelper commands are causing my problem! Dec 29 12:11:02 have done the two build manually and no file gets lost! Dec 29 12:17:37 is there any maemo-bangalore folks here ? Dec 29 12:17:59 is maemo providing some summer internship ? Dec 29 12:19:45 http://www.nokia.com/careers/students Dec 29 12:23:24 melmoth: I've fixed that.. dh_prep or dh_installdirs is the problem in install.sdl.. just testing now which one it is.. Dec 29 12:25:56 tbh, I really think that the media player needs a better looking desktop widget Dec 29 12:26:16 the current one looks rather clunky, odd and out of place compared to other widgets and icons Dec 29 12:29:13 dnaumov: I kinda fixed that :) Dec 29 12:29:25 Just need to finish the package and push it into extras Dec 29 12:38:50 RST38h: http://forum.allnokia.ru/viewtopic.php?t=27106 they are stealing your apps! :D Dec 29 12:39:41 really? Dec 29 12:39:42 hm Dec 29 12:40:28 oh, that's not your Dec 29 12:40:37 that's vba Dec 29 12:40:46 RST38h: please do :) Dec 29 12:42:09 wazd: Speaking of that applet, if you feel like making 4 nice 48x48 icons, 3 for now-playing animation, one for paused, I would appreciate it =) Dec 29 12:42:22 wazd: Right now using Gnome stock icons for volume Dec 29 12:43:19 RST38h: oh, ok Dec 29 12:44:34 there will be empty space around 48x48, so the actual icon size should be 64x64 (sorry for not mentioning it) Dec 29 12:44:44 yesterday my blog had more visitors per day than per whole june :D Dec 29 12:44:54 pretty pictures! Dec 29 12:45:03 if you feed 'em weekly, they will just keep coming though Dec 29 12:45:07 RST38h: yeah :) Dec 29 12:45:25 Then you can start selling 'em stuff! Dec 29 12:45:27 * RST38h cackles evilly Dec 29 12:46:02 thopiekar: poing Dec 29 12:47:11 jeremiah_: The problem has done himself. Thanks anyway. Dec 29 12:47:30 thopiekar: Sure. :) Dec 29 12:47:34 RST38h: do you have an agreement with all-nokia to not share pirated emus there? like 4pda does Dec 29 12:47:49 jeremiah_: yes, think so :P Dec 29 12:48:10 wazd: No. I generally do not make "agreements" with pirates Dec 29 12:48:32 :D Dec 29 12:48:44 http://s04.radikal.ru/i177/0912/14/3e771620cc80.png - stats Dec 29 12:48:54 wazd: I have traceable binaries though, so whoever leaks it loses the following updates Dec 29 12:49:17 wazd: a stat of a domain or what? Dec 29 12:49:50 thopiekar: well, that's "visitors per month" wordpress stats Dec 29 12:50:03 :) Dec 29 12:50:11 hm Dec 29 12:50:19 i should wait until n900s get down to $500 Dec 29 12:50:20 :) Dec 29 12:50:25 they are already down to 570 Dec 29 12:50:37 uh Dec 29 12:51:10 * FIQ can't wait that long, just until sellers got new N900s Dec 29 12:51:24 haha Dec 29 12:51:32 i think amazon has a pretty big supply ;) Dec 29 12:51:50 newest of the new is always hype inflated.. soon enough it will drop Dec 29 13:01:21 anybody here running n900 without a sim card? Dec 29 13:01:40 jello69_, not yet. but what's your question? Dec 29 13:01:56 I have a question too Dec 29 13:02:07 wow :D Dec 29 13:02:23 i want to ask about syslog activity Dec 29 13:02:26 look Dec 29 13:02:33 jello69_, then ask, please. Dec 29 13:02:44 I've download a N900 image, extracted the bin Dec 29 13:02:51 now I have rootfs.jffs2 Dec 29 13:02:58 but mounting it is like a pain Dec 29 13:03:05 read the Maemo wiki Dec 29 13:03:19 but the automated shell script errors out: Dec 29 13:03:32 unable to read superblock Dec 29 13:03:57 ok andre__ what triggers radio wake up with no sim? Dec 29 05:24:35 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[3108]: Link UP Dec 29 13:04:15 jello69_: 112/911? Dec 29 13:05:19 Stskeeps: 0,122941822 , but you should really use the calculator tool next time :-P Dec 29 13:05:37 it's phone numbers... Dec 29 13:05:41 andre__: i like to use human computers, more kosher Dec 29 13:06:06 in the dune universe computers were outlawed Dec 29 13:07:30 this is a fresh 42-11 install. perhaps my old acounts are still preserved Dec 29 13:08:04 anyway awesome device where i can control this Dec 29 13:09:11 my smart friends will find out enough Dec 29 13:09:43 jello69_, "old accounts" of what exactly? Dec 29 13:13:32 skype, 3g provider were once set up Dec 29 13:14:29 hi Dec 29 13:14:34 what is the password for user? Dec 29 13:15:40 you can set it with passwd command Dec 29 13:15:54 jello69_: you can't. Dec 29 13:16:05 ~ $ passwd Dec 29 13:16:11 The password for user cannot be changed. Dec 29 13:16:31 i wonder why Dec 29 13:16:47 it works as root "passwd user" Dec 29 13:17:20 maybe that does break something but i dont know what Dec 29 13:17:36 LuciusMare, what do you need the password for user for? Dec 29 13:18:21 mayb its better not to treat it as full blown linux machine as that it really is not. Dec 29 13:18:42 lucius is adventurer :) Dec 29 13:18:49 andre why would i run a device with unknown passwords Dec 29 13:18:57 so you can ssh to it? Dec 29 13:19:15 can you? not mine atleast Dec 29 13:19:32 i can ssh to user Dec 29 13:20:28 SPLIT Dec 29 13:20:46 netsplit Dec 29 13:20:58 now what is browserd doing so that n900 rebotloops without it Dec 29 13:21:25 waits for browserd to return 0? Dec 29 13:23:35 ab: moo. Dec 29 13:23:52 hello Dec 29 13:23:57 RST38h, beeeeh Dec 29 13:24:04 hello, anyone got any clue whether Maemo 5 UI is translatable? Dec 29 13:24:04 eaht time released maemo 6? Dec 29 13:24:48 i have n900 with maemo 5!i want maemo 6 by QT4! Dec 29 13:25:46 meh Dec 29 13:25:48 Netjoin Dec 29 13:25:52 spambots? Dec 29 13:26:06 anybody knows what would make host resolution fail within scratchbox ? Dec 29 13:27:04 what time released maemo 6? Dec 29 13:27:04 jayford, what do you mean by that? basically: yes. it uses po files that become mo files when compiling. Dec 29 13:27:10 mkargar, unknown. Dec 29 13:27:20 a wrong resolv.conf, most likely Dec 29 13:27:36 mikhas, changed it to 192.168.1.1 (same as local) in vain Dec 29 13:27:50 andre, I'm hoping to translate Maemo 5's main UI to Hebrew. Can it be done? or are some files closed source? Dec 29 13:27:55 all of them? Dec 29 13:28:06 mikhas, all of them ? Dec 29 13:28:08 there are at least 3 afaik Dec 29 13:28:16 resolv.confs Dec 29 13:28:32 err... I only have one (/etc/resolv.conf) Dec 29 13:28:51 check the whole /scratchbox folder =) Dec 29 13:28:52 browserd seems to survive SIGSTOP SIGCONT gracefully! nice job again nokia! ty KISS Dec 29 13:28:55 jayford, uhm... I'm not sure if all translation files are available, e.g. by splitting them for closed source components into separate, open packages Dec 29 13:28:55 from outside sbox Dec 29 13:29:27 jayford, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27997 could be an interesting starting point Dec 29 13:29:28 logout from sbox, change resolv.confs, login to sbox Dec 29 13:29:48 Uh Dec 29 13:30:36 andre, I read that thread, all I see are plans for a project, I didn't see any actual info, and one thing that confused me was "nokia needs to provide translatable strings of all closed applications." Dec 29 13:30:53 I assumed Maemo was completly open sourced Dec 29 13:31:00 jayford, no, never been Dec 29 13:31:07 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Dec 29 13:32:41 mikhas, works, thx Dec 29 13:32:43 so,the default password for user Dec 29 13:32:43 ? Dec 29 13:33:10 bilboed-tp, great. Dec 29 13:34:32 I see andre, thanks. I still want to translate what's not closed, without waiting for translation teams to emerge. In the community thread there are only talks of translation teams. Is there a source for info on actually translating? Dec 29 13:34:37 LuciusMare: tried the numbers from 1 to 5? Dec 29 13:34:48 andre__: not yet Dec 29 13:34:56 doesnt work Dec 29 13:35:01 jayford, I have not followed that thread closely. best to ask there... Dec 29 13:36:33 I've asked there only that I'm not getting any replies, You say "it uses po files that become mo files when compiling." can you please elaborate? the community thread has no info. Dec 29 13:37:16 jayford, basically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_gettext Dec 29 13:37:17 po files are the user readable (and therefore translatable) files. mo files are the binary files which get loaded at runtime Dec 29 13:38:03 let's rename the file suffixes from po to poo and mo to moo =) Dec 29 13:38:41 gl with that Dec 29 13:38:54 okay, thanks again, and the maemo OS has these files? Can I find them on my device? Dec 29 13:38:56 does this ring a bell to anybody ? http://pastebin.ca/1730639 Dec 29 13:39:08 I'm guessing I'm missing a repo... but no idea which one Dec 29 13:39:10 hello Dec 29 13:39:27 bilboed-tp, missing tools repo? Dec 29 13:40:01 when downloading the firmware, I can choose between vanilla version, a global version and UK/US/Africa Dec 29 13:40:18 what's the difference and how can I figure out which one is installed on my device? Dec 29 13:40:32 lol, uk/us/africa - the free regions Dec 29 13:40:40 mikhas, guess so.. no idea where they're located though Dec 29 13:40:52 where the list of repos are located Dec 29 13:40:54 bilboed-tp, my sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/1730641 Dec 29 13:41:16 jello69_: actually it's one firmware for each but you probably know that Dec 29 13:41:17 $TARGET: ~] > /etc/apt/sources.list Dec 29 13:41:26 mikhas, ah right, was missing the tools Dec 29 13:41:33 hmm.. no Dec 29 13:41:45 hm, let me try Dec 29 13:41:55 nice old style mikhas Dec 29 13:42:32 cant install neither Dec 29 13:42:54 quality Dec 29 13:43:07 same message, odd. I vaguely remember sth about issues installing gst Dec 29 13:43:15 but not enough atm Dec 29 13:43:17 that's only for building the docs Dec 29 13:43:23 which I seriously don't care about Dec 29 13:43:26 yeah Dec 29 13:47:46 can a community tester confirm this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7446 Dec 29 13:47:47 Bug 7446: Unlocking SIM card from control panel fails Dec 29 13:48:32 TomaszD: i saw something about that in gitorious.. Dec 29 13:48:33 hang on Dec 29 13:49:12 X-Fade: around? Dec 29 13:49:34 TomaszD: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-control-panel/commits/unlock-option-visibility Dec 29 13:50:13 Stskeeps, good to know it's fixed Dec 29 13:50:15 wazd: Only for simple things, hard at work on the new server infra. Dec 29 13:50:32 TomaszD: checking if it's that one Dec 29 13:50:50 X-Fade: are you sure that maemo.org rating counter works well? :) Dec 29 13:51:06 Stskeeps, if you have later software, and you probably do, please test :) Dec 29 13:51:10 X-Fade: cause OMWeather has only 4 and 5 rates and somehow got 3.75 in total :D Dec 29 13:51:30 TomaszD: i'll probably be hit for this but no, i don't have the new one installed yet Dec 29 13:52:00 andre__: NB 143863 (look at bottom) seems like internal one of MB 7446 ? Dec 29 13:52:19 wazd: yes, but there was the issue with the search bots voting because maemo select made a bad implementation. Dec 29 13:52:20 yeah, noticed that Dec 29 13:52:47 needs to be either fixed or the button needs to be removed from the UI altogether if it's not yet ready for prime time Dec 29 13:52:55 X-Fade: ah, ok then :) Dec 29 13:53:03 X-Fade: cause it looks really weirs :) Dec 29 13:53:09 weird* Dec 29 13:55:57 Stskeeps, yeah. thanks Dec 29 13:57:09 argh Dec 29 13:57:11 "the rdesktop file releases contain documentation on the program." <= the available ommandline switches shown by simply running "rdesktop-cli" don't exactly count for "documentation" Dec 29 13:57:25 --help Dec 29 13:57:27 :P Dec 29 13:57:36 Anyone knows how to translate: "rate of success" or "rate of right answers" in Spanish? Dec 29 13:58:26 its a bit baffling since there doesnt seem to be an obvious way to double-click on things or to right-lick or to alt-tab Dec 29 13:59:07 new interaction method: right-licking Dec 29 14:03:15 good thing we dont work much in here Dec 29 14:03:33 nope Dec 29 14:13:59 X-Fade: ping http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38670 Dec 29 14:14:56 what the hell is up with this??? http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/128 Dec 29 14:15:21 so at 01:36:50 + he starts telling everyone maemo is dead Dec 29 14:15:33 lol Dec 29 14:17:03 can anyone help me? my n900 won't flash Dec 29 14:18:04 toggles_w: OrangeBox = Dan Dec 29 14:18:13 can someone please remind me the name of the project that aims to get maemo 5 on a n800 Dec 29 14:18:18 guardian: Mer Dec 29 14:18:19 wazd: OrangeBox? Dec 29 14:18:26 thank Dec 29 14:18:27 s Dec 29 14:18:27 as in portal and tf2 ? Dec 29 14:18:30 toggles_w: ah, nm :D Dec 29 14:18:39 toggles_w: if you aren't reading tmo you wouldn't get who that guy was Dec 29 14:18:40 :P Dec 29 14:18:53 Stskeeps: was? :) Dec 29 14:19:09 Just a N900 question: Are there already 2nd symbols on the arrow keys (like @ on the space key), or can I map them to something else? Dec 29 14:19:10 Stskeeps: nah, tmo is hosted on an n770 too sloooow Dec 29 14:19:12 wazd: well, is, and in my trunk, .. or something ;) Dec 29 14:19:30 juliank: not on my keybd Dec 29 14:19:34 Stskeeps: would you have a pointer on how to get flash a n800 with mer by chance? Dec 29 14:19:48 Stskeeps: :D Dec 29 14:19:50 guardian: if you rephrase that sentence a bit i might be able to asnwer Dec 29 14:20:08 s/get// Dec 29 14:20:11 Stskeeps: how tyo install Mer on n800 obviously :) Dec 29 14:20:21 wazd: site:maemo.org+orangebox "OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong Off Topic." Dec 29 14:20:24 lol Dec 29 14:20:30 Stskeeps: a pointer to a tutorial or document that lists what to download to get maemo5/mer running on a n800 and instructions (if that exists) Dec 29 14:20:33 jo lcuk Dec 29 14:20:42 still, it's pretty crappy they send him a hacker box and this is how he repays them Dec 29 14:21:05 guardian: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer but we're not ready for daily usage yet Dec 29 14:21:11 hiya woglinde Dec 29 14:21:12 toggles_w: yeah, nokia know very well how to send things to wrong people :D Dec 29 14:21:15 Stskeeps: oh ok Dec 29 14:21:48 wazd: lol, so i should keep developing for it then.. Dec 29 14:22:28 Stskeeps: Do you have anything for the community repo? Dec 29 14:22:34 jeremiah_: not yet Dec 29 14:22:35 Some pacakge I might put in to test things? Dec 29 14:22:37 okay Dec 29 14:23:02 a community repo? Dec 29 14:23:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38712 Dec 29 14:23:07 lcuk: SSU Dec 29 14:23:07 i thought we had 3 of those Dec 29 14:23:21 okay, House.M.D. normal avi on E63 testing, act 1 Dec 29 14:23:23 lcuk: The community repo is really for end-of-life SSU Dec 29 14:23:52 * lcuk frowns @ end of life Dec 29 14:24:10 Do you prefer the term "dead"? Dec 29 14:24:18 Jaffa: -ENOTIME Dec 29 14:24:27 lol Dec 29 14:24:37 lol jeremiah_ nope, "classic" is better ;) Dec 29 14:24:48 You're a classic. Dec 29 14:24:50 Jaffa: I'll work on that stuff once we have made the server switch. Dec 29 14:25:07 The mummification SSU Dec 29 14:25:18 jo javis Dec 29 14:25:23 hi wog Dec 29 14:25:25 lo javispedro Dec 29 14:25:29 jello69_: Do you have the EU QWERTY model, and did you try it or did you look at the keyboard only. I am considerung buying the QWERTY one and remapping the arrow keys + modifier to umlaute. Dec 29 14:25:31 morning Dec 29 14:25:49 hey javis Dec 29 14:25:52 heya javispedro Dec 29 14:25:59 RST38h, thats a great name for the ssu Dec 29 14:26:05 moo rst Dec 29 14:26:13 heya woglinde Dec 29 14:26:19 would that make jeremiah_ mumra? Dec 29 14:26:23 javispedro: heya Dec 29 14:26:28 any idea what would cause the following screwups on armel scratchbox ? http://pastebin.com/m6de44dc5 Dec 29 14:26:29 lcuk: and name them with the names of pharaohs Dec 29 14:27:03 juliank: i havent added umlauts yet. i have the UK model and keyboard with 4 arrows. i reccommend it. Dec 29 14:27:12 Stskeeps: What is your UI stuff licensed under? Dec 29 14:27:16 GPL v2? Dec 29 14:27:24 jeremiah_: my what now? Dec 29 14:27:25 hi! i work on a small python app for n900. how can i add a symbol to the executable to my desktop? Dec 29 14:27:28 bilboed -> /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user Dec 29 14:27:34 Anyone can use those awesome graphics for Mer right? Dec 29 14:27:47 RST38h, theres enough of them and you can always dig up more Dec 29 14:27:50 bilboed try to add user messagebus with grou messagebus in scratchbox Dec 29 14:28:00 jeremiah_: usual is CC SA 3.0 i think Dec 29 14:28:06 woglinde, the fact that it's not there is a bad sign imho :( Dec 29 14:28:12 Stskeeps, Thanks Dec 29 14:28:25 jello69_: Did you order from expansys? Dec 29 14:28:42 well, it works on par with n800 I guess Dec 29 14:28:59 pretty nice for a calculator) Dec 29 14:29:13 juliank: i am using one of nokias devices. will buy one as soon as i save enough Dec 29 14:29:33 X-Fade: OK, is it a known issue? Dec 29 14:29:34 jeremiah_: and the first byte in each image is licensed "send wazd 100 bucks" Dec 29 14:29:36 ;) Dec 29 14:29:40 heh Dec 29 14:29:45 He deserves it. Dec 29 14:29:54 Jaffa: Changelog isn't used yet. Dec 29 14:30:14 wazd made the mer graphics? good work. Dec 29 14:30:31 jeremiah; They are mockups Dec 29 14:30:42 Don't mock me. Dec 29 14:30:45 jeremiah: have to do some coding before you can use them =) Dec 29 14:30:57 SMOP Dec 29 14:31:30 jello69_: OK. I just wanted to know whether the AC-10 charger is always an Europlug (those with 2 pins), or whether this number is used for the UK plugs (those with 3 pins) as well. Dec 29 14:32:46 i got a europlug in box Dec 29 14:32:51 is there a way to talk to the gsm chip with hayes commands? Dec 29 14:33:54 Anyone who bought his/her N900 at expansys and can confirm that it ships with a charger with Europlug? I believe it does, but I would like to know for sure. Dec 29 14:35:08 juliank: Which Expansys site? Dec 29 14:35:34 Jaffa: Expansys.de in this case, although I think they all ship the same ones. Dec 29 14:36:13 juliank: Well, I suspect expansys.co.uk ships UK chargers; expansys.com ships US chargers and expansys.de ships European chargers ;-) Dec 29 14:36:58 Hi is somebody here who can sync his n900 with Opensync to evolution? Dec 29 14:37:14 for n810 I ordered a qwerty one from expansys.fr and got the UK one, with an adapter Dec 29 14:38:10 by the way, is there python binding ofr eventlogger lib? Dec 29 14:38:14 Jaffa: Yes, it seems that expansys.com (the UK site, expansys-usa.com is US) has a different N900 listed. So I guess the EU QWERTY version ships with an Europlug. Dec 29 14:38:43 I have opensync v0.39 running on a gentoo system - the sync just works if the contact book evolution is empty or didn'T change since the last sync Dec 29 14:45:38 Stskeeps: so it's done when it's done and in the meantime the best way to code for maemo 5 is scratchbox+qemu (since I can't invest in a N900 right now) ? Dec 29 14:45:39 Well that was bloody annoying. Dec 29 14:45:58 Out in freezing cold, changing brake caliper on car, wanted to take pics. Dec 29 14:46:26 Camera would not actually take pics until I realised it was having a hissy fit about geotagging. Dec 29 14:46:51 no notice, no nothing, just no action on the shutter. Dec 29 14:47:23 * wazd already got everything he deserves : Dec 29 14:47:25 s/changing/removing/ Dec 29 14:50:21 wazd, not yet :D Dec 29 14:50:34 * VDVsx hits wazd with a stick Dec 29 14:50:47 :D Dec 29 14:50:51 VDVsx: ah. now all :D Dec 29 14:51:58 the funny thing that tiny e63 sports huge 1500Mah battery and n900 not :) Dec 29 14:52:24 The mAh is a lie! Dec 29 14:52:46 In that it's as meaningful as measuring CPU speed in MHz Dec 29 14:52:53 the n900 battery issues are blown out of proportion Dec 29 14:53:08 dnaumov: unless you hit a pathalogical use-case Dec 29 14:53:25 for most people it is solved by letting it go down to 0 and shutdown, the charge to full and then do that once more Dec 29 14:53:25 im glad its only the issues that are blown out of proportion Dec 29 14:53:40 exploding real batteries tends to be messy Dec 29 14:53:54 for example xchat over 3g Dec 29 14:54:06 * w00t explodes lcuk out of proportion Dec 29 14:54:13 xchat over 3g Dec 29 14:54:18 does one need to specify a compiler for building within armel scratchbox ? Dec 29 14:54:20 * lcuk disintigrates Dec 29 14:54:21 deakbreajer! Dec 29 14:54:24 it's trying to use the i686 one here Dec 29 14:54:28 people wanting to use xchat are a serious issue, I concur ;) Dec 29 14:54:33 hello Dec 29 14:55:04 well, it seems that either the 770 finally expired, or I have been finally banned for life from m.o :) Dec 29 14:56:09 bilboed-tp, ouch Dec 29 14:56:31 i meant the pastebin from a minute ago, your scratchbox sounds as bad as mine Dec 29 14:57:01 lcuk, it's a plot to make us all switch to Android :( Dec 29 14:57:43 well, try to enter sbox setup and switch toolchains Dec 29 14:58:16 ? it doesn't have one toolchain per env ? Dec 29 14:58:29 can 'screen' or 'ssh' be configured to bundle packets for 3G? Dec 29 14:58:48 bilboed-tp: yes, but you can change it. you could potentially edit the armel target to use the i686 compiler Dec 29 14:58:55 bilboed-tp, ewwww nahh its just a play to simplify everything Dec 29 14:58:55 so maybe your target setup has fscked itself somehow Dec 29 14:58:56 pupnik: ssh's compression maybe? Dec 29 14:58:57 as for your sb, did you upgrade your target partially Dec 29 14:58:59 it has diff toolchain per target Dec 29 15:00:42 if I type cc ... it does use the sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-cc Dec 29 15:01:28 type cc -v Dec 29 15:01:30 javispedro: where xchat is of course irc really Dec 29 15:01:35 aaah, no Dec 29 15:01:45 http://pastebin.com/m774bbab3 Dec 29 15:02:51 why would it need libgcc ?? Dec 29 15:03:05 bilboed-tp: but does your compiler work? or it's just that configure script failing? Dec 29 15:03:06 (and why isn't installed for that matter) :( Dec 29 15:03:17 screwed up target! Dec 29 15:03:31 * lcuk did same with a distupgrade on scratchbox :S Dec 29 15:03:43 lcuk, how did you fix it ? Dec 29 15:03:57 nuked it from orbit and started again Dec 29 15:04:06 GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Dec 29 15:04:09 you can rebuild target Dec 29 15:04:12 i think Dec 29 15:04:18 but i cant remember hte list of items Dec 29 15:04:26 * javispedro ponders upgrading to squeeze Dec 29 15:04:28 and im not at home so cant dig them out Dec 29 15:04:32 this is bs Dec 29 15:04:41 is your sb in a VM? Dec 29 15:04:44 no Dec 29 15:04:59 mine neither, but i can see point in using one Dec 29 15:05:14 yah, it's so full of shit you need an extra layer of crap to make it work Dec 29 15:05:15 and then if it screws up just restore quickly Dec 29 15:05:23 $#@*( Dec 29 15:05:27 * lcuk nods heartily Dec 29 15:05:36 its ^&*%^&$%$% indeed Dec 29 15:06:50 hi all, where can I get avahi for maemo 5? Dec 29 15:09:53 hi, i didn't google yet Dec 29 15:10:24 in the repositories, cityLights Dec 29 15:10:50 apt-cache search doesnt find any avahi Dec 29 15:12:21 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=where+can+I+get+avahi+for+maemo+5 Dec 29 15:12:47 pool/fremantle/free/a/avahi/ Dec 29 15:14:17 cityLights: i also sometimes have to use google to find packages Dec 29 15:14:32 I did and didnt find it sorry Dec 29 15:14:44 np Dec 29 15:14:54 fremantle is a good keyword to add Dec 29 15:17:03 what should i do with "pool/fremantle/free/a/avahi/" Dec 29 15:17:03 ? Dec 29 15:17:07 sorry Dec 29 15:17:44 add it to /etc/apt/sources ? Dec 29 15:18:01 does someone has an example csv PC-Suite file? Dec 29 15:18:04 for sms Dec 29 15:19:31 pupnik: about SDL audio, did you try SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa AUDIODEV=plughw: Dec 29 15:22:13 those are needed for sdl-alsa to talk to hw Dec 29 15:22:17 AUDIODEV='hw:0' Dec 29 15:22:22 except i used that Dec 29 15:22:34 ah, so AUDIODEV did make pasuspender work? Dec 29 15:22:40 (with SDL imean) Dec 29 15:22:48 does the maemo libsdl have alsa support in the first place? Dec 29 15:22:56 yes Dec 29 15:23:02 pupnik: where should I add this line? Dec 29 15:23:20 'work' sort of. it starts with buffer underrun and continues with XRUN until another process starts pasuspender Dec 29 15:23:32 then it runs about 8-12 seconds without underrun Dec 29 15:23:50 so somehow it is possible to get it into a 'good state' Dec 29 15:24:05 mplayer and aplay work without problems direct to alsa hw Dec 29 15:24:20 also , can xrandr make the display sow a mirror image Dec 29 15:24:30 pasuspender works well with e-uae Dec 29 15:24:38 this is in order to watch the pda while driving Dec 29 15:24:40 except that the hardware sound is at 0 volume Dec 29 15:24:50 i have to turn it up with alsamixer Dec 29 15:25:04 see /usr/include/SDL/SDL_config.h for maemo #defines Dec 29 15:25:05 cityLights: you want to look at it in the mirror? Dec 29 15:25:26 in reflaction from the windshield Dec 29 15:25:44 Hmm. I have doubts that'll be functional Dec 29 15:25:45 like a cockpit display Dec 29 15:25:55 unless at night Dec 29 15:25:55 gps Dec 29 15:26:07 I mean not functional as in not visible Dec 29 15:26:09 pupnik: --disable-video-x11-vm --disable-nasm --disable-oss --enable-alsa --disable-arts --disable-nas --disable-diskaudio --disable-mintaudio --disable-esd --disable-video-fbcon --enable-pulseaudio Dec 29 15:26:30 Is tere a way to get garage to give me a simple list of all projects in a textual format over one page? Dec 29 15:27:45 do I need to add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/a/avahi/ fremantle free" ? Dec 29 15:27:59 SpeedEvil, there probably is, whether or not it requires a large donation to X-Fade to find the url or not is another matter lol Dec 29 15:29:00 I'm trying to make some stubs for n900 hardware pages, and linking to apps using. Dec 29 15:29:43 that looks close to what configure gets in dosbox by default Dec 29 15:29:56 those are libsdl confflags used Dec 29 15:30:05 (answering myself hehe) Dec 29 15:31:29 phone app, recent calls, i select a recent call, but i want to send a SMS, how do i do that ? Dec 29 15:31:58 javispedro: i can pass those to ./configure but do you know where to set those in debian/? Dec 29 15:32:09 jpe_: click and hold on the number? Dec 29 15:32:20 looking at debian/rules and i don't see the configure options Dec 29 15:32:36 pupnik_: on sdl look for confopts Dec 29 15:32:46 SpeedEvil: doesn't work for me Dec 29 15:32:51 but which ones you want to change? Dec 29 15:33:01 oh i see it in rules >_< Dec 29 15:33:18 i never tried disabling those video options Dec 29 15:33:22 jpe_: just a gues Dec 29 15:33:26 it builds with alsa support by default, btw Dec 29 15:34:17 yeah yeah, I was wrong, sorry. Dec 29 15:34:37 SpeedEvil: does xrandr offer such an option? Dec 29 15:34:55 yes. Dec 29 15:34:57 but i like that stuff. i added it to debian/rules Dec 29 15:35:01 speedevil: you're right, you have to hold it, gives a popup (open contact or delete contact), if yoy choose open, then yoy can send an SMS, should be easierin my opinion Dec 29 15:35:04 If it's suported in the drivers is a seperate question. Dec 29 15:35:06 with a $CONFOPTS variable Dec 29 15:35:12 jpe_: yeah Dec 29 15:35:13 pupnik_: it's already there on libsdl! I was just checking them. Dec 29 15:35:21 oh thanks Dec 29 15:35:31 SpeedEvil: where to find this option? Dec 29 15:35:36 I searched google Dec 29 15:35:41 i think i'm going to start patching it to see if it helps with my flickering Dec 29 15:35:46 i thought you were showing new flags for dbox Dec 29 15:35:48 with mirror and xrandr , didnt find it Dec 29 15:35:59 cityLights: man xrandr Dec 29 15:36:04 or xrandr --help Dec 29 15:36:17 this option would be very helpfull while driving in night with gps Dec 29 15:36:48 Have you actually tried to see if it's actually visible and not hopelessly blurred? Dec 29 15:36:51 cityLights: option is called reflect, not mirror Dec 29 15:36:58 You get reflections from both sides of the screen Dec 29 15:37:13 the windscreen Dec 29 15:37:14 thanks ali1234 Dec 29 15:41:16 apt-cache search randr and there is no xrandr Dec 29 15:41:44 how can I run the randr command to do reflection? Dec 29 15:42:18 you can't Dec 29 15:42:38 xorg omapfb probably doesn't support it anyway Dec 29 15:42:55 too bad Dec 29 15:43:04 it is usefull Dec 29 15:43:30 javispedro: this is curious... http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/libs/libsdl1.3/ Dec 29 15:43:41 pupnik_: not curious Dec 29 15:43:55 what source should i get to see the libsdl we use? Dec 29 15:43:56 a port was started a few months ago Dec 29 15:44:01 apt-get source libsdl1.2 Dec 29 15:44:13 is anyone using the radio application on the N900. I cant get it to play sound for a long period, after like 5 mins the sound ceases, and I would have to restart it to get sound back.. surely something is not right, or is it just me? Dec 29 15:44:19 i cannot apt-get source. i need to dl packages Dec 29 15:44:33 nokia protected repo Dec 29 15:44:39 ah ty Dec 29 15:44:55 or so I think Dec 29 15:45:00 makes sense Dec 29 15:45:36 pupnik_: discard that :), found it Dec 29 15:45:40 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libs/libsdl1.2/ Dec 29 15:46:03 I think I should request a garage page for the sdl 1.3 Dec 29 15:46:11 you're a bit faster than me thanks Dec 29 15:46:36 though I don't like the fact that to enable gl es support you have to enable "pandora" driver ;) Dec 29 15:46:40 javispedro: I think you should make a case for an upgrade of the lib. Dec 29 15:46:42 and it also assumes gl es 1.1 Dec 29 15:47:05 javispedro: did you manage to build it ok? or are there caveats? Dec 29 15:47:09 javispedro: Aim to have it upgraded in some release. Dec 29 15:47:17 X-Fade: I believe Nokia will never use any sdl again. Dec 29 15:47:23 (though this is just a belief) Dec 29 15:47:44 there is no need for sdl Dec 29 15:47:46 In any case, I prefer to have a "community" sdl where fixes come faster Dec 29 15:47:48 this is part of the mission of maemo tablets, some degree of backwards linux headache support Dec 29 15:47:50 javispedro: That can be, I don't know. Dec 29 15:48:10 and we can try more experimental features without fear breacking the builtin games. Dec 29 15:48:23 where's my spell checker? Dec 29 15:48:48 aha, here it is :) Dec 29 15:48:49 or just statically link your tweaks Dec 29 15:49:06 'just' - i haven't tried yet Dec 29 15:49:28 pupnik_: to build it you need to edit debian/control and remove build-dep on libgl-dev Dec 29 15:49:36 just building it now... Dec 29 15:51:17 also, 1.2 and 1.3 are different enough they can coexist Dec 29 15:52:03 javispedro: stupid question, when you run xegltest, are you root or user? Dec 29 15:52:21 root Dec 29 15:52:47 * wazd wonders where to buy invisible shield kit in Moscow Dec 29 15:52:58 ahhh..sigh, the writter was angry, forgot to give spaces ;) : http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1368607 Dec 29 15:53:20 hehe Dec 29 15:54:08 * ifreq just got hdmi switcher..cables ready to hook up my wd hd tv live Dec 29 15:55:01 javispedro: also removing libaudiofile-dev from control... Dec 29 15:55:13 I think the libaudiofile-dev dep is needed. Dec 29 15:55:17 better install it Dec 29 15:55:34 (I might be wrong, of course) Dec 29 15:56:03 i assumed it was a diskwriter plugin. maybe you're right Dec 29 15:56:06 Hello Dec 29 15:57:00 Pidgin works well Dec 29 15:57:01 dunno! Dec 29 16:00:31 my quilt is totally broken Dec 29 16:00:42 second build always breaks Dec 29 16:00:55 weird Dec 29 16:01:25 this is all breaking stuff because maemo vmware sdk can not access internet Dec 29 16:01:41 I'd get a real debian vm Dec 29 16:02:08 * javispedro is lucky. the only problem he had with scratchbox was vdso and that's because he didn't want to use the official fix :) Dec 29 16:02:25 ah yes the vdso bug Dec 29 16:02:35 wazd@ovi is busy Dec 29 16:02:46 wtf Dec 29 16:02:58 woglinde: but there is no stopping, because http://pupnik.de/zwecklos.jpg Dec 29 16:07:32 hmm pasuspender only works one time Dec 29 16:07:46 I think Dec 29 16:07:58 you'd need to concretate your efforts on getting the autosuspender module working Dec 29 16:08:03 s/concretate/concentrate Dec 29 16:11:02 there is also pactl Dec 29 16:11:08 with many interesting features Dec 29 16:11:26 and you can also get to the pa cmd line Dec 29 16:11:44 hi all Dec 29 16:11:51 ... though not by using the unix socket. Dec 29 16:11:51 trying a wild guess to fix SDL_alsa_audio.c Dec 29 16:12:02 anyone here play with the wimax on n810 we Dec 29 16:15:56 or with the network stack in general... Dec 29 16:16:42 javispedro: did you have a language= set in dosbox.conf to get that keyb rover.sys working? Dec 29 16:16:52 pupnik_: default config Dec 29 16:17:31 it's not working for you ? :P Dec 29 16:17:37 not for me or another tester Dec 29 16:17:42 hm. Dec 29 16:17:47 any error message? how are you loading it? Dec 29 16:18:13 searching for my post Dec 29 16:18:52 ah, sorry Dec 29 16:19:12 pupnik_: you have to use "keyb rover.sys us" Dec 29 16:20:02 support for auto layout is incomplete :) So you have to specify "us" manually. Dec 29 16:20:05 that works! Dec 29 16:20:26 you can also use "keyb rover.sys us auto 858" to get the euro symbol Dec 29 16:20:55 the syntax of "my" keyb is Dec 29 16:21:10 keyb Dec 29 16:21:19 where any field can be replaced by auto or none Dec 29 16:21:29 joppu: I'm sending the new package now :) Dec 29 16:21:47 ah that gives me the perfectly normal broken dosbox keyboard. the spanish ones must be even worse Dec 29 16:22:03 uh? Dec 29 16:22:18 shift + "." = > Dec 29 16:22:26 and not : Dec 29 16:23:37 but i understand why it is not easy to fix, javispedro Dec 29 16:23:43 dosbox wants to emulate a real keyboard Dec 29 16:24:11 so it thinks only in PC-keys pressed. And those have internal mappings. Dec 29 16:24:20 but the keyb command could be the solution perhaps Dec 29 16:25:10 did you generate rover.sys? perhaps there is a mapper program for DOS Dec 29 16:26:53 all i need to do is type " Dec 29 16:27:01 pasuspender ls (or any other command) Dec 29 16:27:03 and sound gets fixed Dec 29 16:27:07 my sdl patch didn't work btw Dec 29 16:28:40 you can totally hear differences in frequency of misaligned writes if you renice 20 or -20 the dosbox process btw Dec 29 16:29:33 maybe it is another process periotically tapping pulseaudio Dec 29 16:29:54 damn, ovi suite can't update maps via bt Dec 29 16:30:05 stoopid app Dec 29 16:30:43 comments on newspaper articles are causing me to lose faith in humanity Dec 29 16:31:57 pactl list shows all the sinks suspended by pasuspender Dec 29 16:32:35 Stskeeps: dude, you have to thank god that you can't read comments from one of russian's social networks Dec 29 16:32:52 Stskeeps: that's where humanity ends :) Dec 29 16:32:54 wazd: you should see the danish ones.. i really feel embarassed Dec 29 16:33:11 any other broken key? tbh I've not tested the layout extensively :D Dec 29 16:33:13 I seem to be triggering another bug somewhere with the ; key, so you'll have to wait. Dec 29 16:33:35 ah, freenode. Dec 29 16:33:59 pupnik_: the missing ; and : are from a bug in my keyb code, but rest of keys should work. Dec 29 16:34:04 oh javispedro no hurry. if we can really remap whatever we want, then keyb is the answer Dec 29 16:34:12 nice nice nice Dec 29 16:34:28 feel free to report any other nonworking key :) Dec 29 16:34:41 numbers Dec 29 16:34:43 joppu: ping? Dec 29 16:34:55 pupnik_: remove your mapper.txt :) Dec 29 16:34:58 fiferboy: pong Dec 29 16:35:04 well, have to go now. see you! Dec 29 16:35:07 Stskeeps: you think it's a worldwide problem? Dec 29 16:35:19 joppu: Don't use the package I sent you - the selection problem is back Dec 29 16:35:33 wazd: i think we should worry more about global increase of stupidity than global warming, sometimes. Dec 29 16:35:36 :P Dec 29 16:35:42 Stskeeps: :D Dec 29 16:37:00 joppu: It looks like you have to give the theme name a capital letter in theme maker to get around the selection letter :| Dec 29 16:37:05 Stskeeps: "There are two problems in Russia - fools and roads. And though one problem can easily be solved with asphalt and spade, the road problem is much harder to solve" Dec 29 16:37:34 wazd: hah Dec 29 16:40:19 (i wasn't loading mapper.txt) Dec 29 16:50:22 ohai Dec 29 16:50:37 can the wifi-card on n900 be set to the whore-mode? Dec 29 16:51:12 yes, it supports facebook. Dec 29 16:51:19 heh Dec 29 16:51:32 i dont know how its called Dec 29 16:51:36 monitor mode,or something Dec 29 16:51:43 it just catches all the packets Dec 29 16:52:20 there is something connected on my router and i want to know what Dec 29 16:52:33 (no,the router does not have any monitoring setting) Dec 29 16:53:01 Is there any working alpha installer of rdesktop for maemo? Dec 29 16:53:20 turn on wpa2 with a long password Dec 29 16:53:34 i can't Dec 29 16:54:06 i have a very obsolete client over there,which can do only not-encrypted networks, so i am solving it through ssh tunnel Dec 29 16:54:50 found the dl link. Dec 29 16:55:18 I don't know if tcpdump will work Dec 29 16:58:30 SpeedEvil: i guess it will,if i will set the card to the monitor/whore mode Dec 29 16:58:56 tcpdump is in one of hte repos Dec 29 17:00:33 yes Dec 29 17:00:34 it is Dec 29 17:02:00 but it wont work,until the card will catch even the packets that are not the card Dec 29 17:02:04 *that are not for the card Dec 29 17:02:12 which is called monitor,commonly whore mode. Dec 29 17:03:02 promiscous mode? Dec 29 17:03:15 maybe Dec 29 17:03:29 hm Dec 29 17:03:34 "tcpdump wlan0" does not work Dec 29 17:04:37 though it listens at wmaster,which works Dec 29 17:04:57 but i cant see anything but the things i send Dec 29 17:04:58 :( Dec 29 17:23:38 hi everybody Dec 29 17:23:55 how i can backup my n810 Dec 29 17:24:27 you can not backup a physical object Dec 29 17:24:28 Guest34938: it has built in tool Dec 29 17:24:58 that will back up certain user preferences and folders Dec 29 17:25:04 yes but if i want to create a image from my nokia Dec 29 17:25:18 for example i install some app and have my own alias Dec 29 17:25:33 and when i create a backup with the tool Dec 29 17:25:49 Guest34938: you can mirror os to your SD card Dec 29 17:26:02 how i can do that Dec 29 17:27:21 Guest34938: : http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=12 Dec 29 17:28:26 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442596&postcount=6 i found an interesting difference between mplayer and SDL alsa output! Dec 29 17:30:11 so if i follow this steps i can use a sd as my main disk to install and expand the storage and enjoy all the aplication without worried full the main memory Dec 29 17:30:33 Ah, gotta love the irrational, jealous revisionist idiots. Dec 29 17:31:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=444237#post444237 Dec 29 17:33:39 Oooh. Dec 29 17:33:43 http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html Dec 29 17:33:55 * SpeedEvil wonders how that can be stuck in the outbound voice path. Dec 29 17:36:03 SpeedEvil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBb4cjjj1gI Dec 29 17:38:01 That is a real winner GAN900 Dec 29 17:40:41 lol, what a flawed perception Dec 29 17:40:57 "Most of them did not report any problem with the device until it was time for them to return it" Dec 29 17:41:17 SpeedEvil: any nice candidates for simple trackers / softsynths for tablets? Dec 29 17:41:20 1. they did not report enough bugs!!!, 2. they did report too many bugs, causing the delay!!! Dec 29 17:41:28 nice one Dec 29 17:41:42 pupnik_: alas no Dec 29 17:41:53 that was my conclusion also :) Dec 29 17:42:09 pupnik_: came across a reference to that in another channel. Not very into audio processing in that sense. Dec 29 17:42:44 i've found that you are a good person for such random questions though :) Dec 29 17:42:49 anyone can tell where to bug report things that are part of the n900 maemo? Dec 29 17:43:30 http://bugs.maemo.org need to create an account Dec 29 17:44:24 some of the coolest sounds i've heard from an open-source app have been from taosynth - a physical modeling synthesizer Dec 29 17:44:31 I wish there could been one universal nokia/maemo login Dec 29 17:45:27 Think of it as an entrance examination to attain status of 'bug reporter' Dec 29 17:47:10 I got quite mad with OVI, you need to have quite many logins, feels all to many logins to "keep" track of, by the way is it the same login to bugs as to the maemo dev account? think I had a such Dec 29 17:48:24 apparently not Dec 29 17:54:10 pupnik_, indeed Dec 29 17:54:48 Trizt, make sure your search for the bug before report it, in order to avoid duplicates Dec 29 17:56:50 hi all Dec 29 17:59:22 VDVsx; it's not my first time to report something and I doubt that people have thought about the signature marker Dec 29 18:07:46 Trizt: There are a few bugs about Modest's sig sep handling Dec 29 18:10:08 Trizt: If that's what you're referring to, one or more of bug 3941, bug 3700 and bug 2563 may be relevant (OTTOMH) Dec 29 18:10:11 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 Signature separator misses trailing space (RFC 3676 violation) Dec 29 18:10:12 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) Dec 29 18:10:13 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying Dec 29 18:15:02 I just ordered my n900. Life is good Dec 29 18:15:13 we salute you Dec 29 18:15:55 when it arrives, life will be great. What delicious shallowness Dec 29 18:16:56 yes, just keep it cool now man. youve got long PATH ahead Dec 29 18:19:17 ifreq: export $PATH ? Dec 29 18:20:35 mayb mayb.. Dec 29 18:21:12 China wins, we're all DOOMED Dec 29 18:24:52 hi Dec 29 18:25:06 hey LuciusMare Dec 29 18:25:15 what is the name of the web browser in fremantle? Dec 29 18:25:18 please share us with your infinite amount of questions :) Dec 29 18:25:21 MicroB Dec 29 18:25:25 LuciusMare: Dec 29 18:26:02 thanks Dec 29 18:26:16 :/ Dec 29 18:26:17 microb Dec 29 18:26:41 ~sh: microb: not found Dec 29 18:27:55 that's not how you invoke it Dec 29 18:28:00 you asked for the name Dec 29 18:28:12 .... Dec 29 18:28:21 * Gadgetoid_mbp facepalms Dec 29 18:28:38 hey Dec 29 18:29:02 i don't know how to start browser from command-line. perhaps a ps a shows Dec 29 18:29:06 not my fault,every sane developer names the binary file same as the app itself Dec 29 18:29:25 oh look, many processes Dec 29 18:29:37 huh Dec 29 18:29:41 "browser" Dec 29 18:29:50 >_< Dec 29 18:30:34 hm,it doesn't seem to run Dec 29 18:30:58 though i found "browserd" running and command browser exists Dec 29 18:33:28 LuciusMare: this might help maybe... http://maemo.org/packages/view/browser-switchboard/ Dec 29 18:33:36 Dare I even ask why you're trying to start the browser from the command line? Dec 29 18:44:43 LuciusMare: have a look at this thread: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=38273 Dec 29 18:46:58 wtf is aggravated burglary!? Dec 29 18:48:58 Browser switchboard would be kinda shiny if Tear wasn't still rough around the edges Dec 29 18:52:28 dpkg: status database area is locked by another process Dec 29 18:52:48 how to get what process is using it? Dec 29 18:53:47 probably the application manager Dec 29 18:53:56 lsof Dec 29 18:54:18 hannes__: from sidux? Dec 29 18:54:54 huh Dec 29 18:55:14 # ls /var/lock/ Dec 29 18:55:14 as-daemon.pid maesync_ui.lock Dec 29 18:55:16 browser_extensions.stamp Dec 29 18:55:25 it does not seem to be locked Dec 29 18:56:21 ps -a |grep application-manager Dec 29 18:57:23 no appmanager running Dec 29 18:57:30 if it didnt hang,ofc Dec 29 19:02:24 nope,no apmanager Dec 29 19:03:04 Gadgetoid_mbp: also, it would make a lot of sense to move tear to use qt 4.6. Dec 29 19:04:52 Tear is going to have to do a lot more than that to make me bothered enough to move from MicroB Dec 29 19:06:28 okay,so i have it installed. Dec 29 19:06:38 if it didnt hang,ofc Dec 29 19:06:41 omg Dec 29 19:06:42 Flash support is my main want- getting things like ZeroPunctuation episodes running smoothly Dec 29 19:07:01 i mistyped . - i pressed uparrow Dec 29 19:07:19 it didnt appear in the menu,where can i set it? Dec 29 19:13:19 hah put n900 in zipbag, chat from bathtub Dec 29 19:14:40 heh.. good idea. Dec 29 19:14:48 lol Dec 29 19:15:26 check it out,i am chattng from ba...bzzzt Dec 29 19:15:40 I've heard of people doing the same with ebook readers Dec 29 19:15:53 LuciusMare, I'd really like to see a device that can type "bzzzt" when it has a major fault from water damage :P Dec 29 19:15:54 doesn't work so well with the dead tree version Dec 29 19:16:06 interesting from an engineering perspective :) Dec 29 19:16:09 jaem: maybe the device was dictating Dec 29 19:16:20 jaem: heh,that was not supposed to be irc chat log Dec 29 19:16:35 it was supposed to be a irl convo Dec 29 19:16:35 jaem hairdryer Dec 29 19:16:40 angasule, I'd like to see a transcription program that does onomatopoeia Dec 29 19:17:06 jaem: aw, come on, monty python! Dec 29 19:17:18 LuciusMare, tip - meatspace doesn't come with a keyboard Dec 29 19:17:26 monty.py ? Dec 29 19:17:32 LuciusMare, yes! Dec 29 19:17:42 lol Dec 29 19:17:51 well, for most people Dec 29 19:18:14 ~ $: python monty.py Dec 29 19:18:32 "Nobody ever expects spanish!" Dec 29 19:19:51 anyone of you got the emacs 23 working with the maximize fix Dec 29 19:20:55 jaem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEcvSq4SDkc&feature=PlayList&p=B3224F11B24EC2E9&index=16 -- enlighten thyself :D Dec 29 19:21:09 angasule, I'll bookmark it... my sound is shot Dec 29 19:21:32 I'm using my spare box while my mobo's in for service, and I hadn't realized the sound didn't work Dec 29 19:21:55 also, as my friend found out, using (someone else's) CD drive on a bed is not a good idea Dec 29 19:22:06 the CD is now somewhere it should not be Dec 29 19:22:08 >_< Dec 29 19:22:34 jaem: bummer Dec 29 19:22:57 jaem: watch it on your Nxx0? :D Dec 29 19:23:09 angasule, I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but I might later Dec 29 19:23:18 is it part of the Quest for the Holy Grail? Dec 29 19:23:30 yes :) Dec 29 19:23:33 ah, yes then Dec 29 19:24:05 I'm a bit frustrated... I was trying to fiddle with my bluetooth bracelet, to see if I could modify it to make the phone side of things less of a kludge Dec 29 19:24:13 but the company is evil Dec 29 19:24:48 even after signing an NDA, I can't get the datasheet, reference manual, or anything Dec 29 19:24:55 the software is $3000 with no student discount Dec 29 19:24:56 bluetooth bracelet? Dec 29 19:25:01 yeah, one sec Dec 29 19:25:25 so, you signed the NDA and you got a T-shirt saying "I signed an NDA and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"? :) Dec 29 19:25:42 and their site wouldn't even tell me which model I had, because my uni e-mail address wasn't on their whitelist Dec 29 19:25:44 seriously Dec 29 19:25:48 not even that Dec 29 19:25:58 angasule, LOL - yes, pretty much Dec 29 19:26:25 also, the code runs virtualized anyway, so what I could do would be limited Dec 29 19:26:44 oh, and the ToS disallows modifying their firmware with anything other than their $3000 software Dec 29 19:26:54 what ToS? Dec 29 19:27:00 angasule, link: http://hackaday.com/2009/12/18/bluetooth-bracelet-hacked/ Dec 29 19:27:04 the company is called CSR Dec 29 19:27:07 devices can't have ToS... Dec 29 19:27:09 they make the Bluetooth chipset Dec 29 19:27:14 and it's the ToS for their website Dec 29 19:27:19 if I could get a dump, I'd be fine Dec 29 19:27:42 bluetooth bracelet? Dec 29 19:27:44 but anything I got from their website (which I can't, because it's "privileged" information, apparently), has that restriction Dec 29 19:27:47 Xisdibik, see link Dec 29 19:28:27 well, if you don't use their website (which seems to be useless), you can toss the ToS :P Dec 29 19:28:49 essentially, the company has a policy of "if you don't pay us lots of money, then you can just suffer" Dec 29 19:29:26 angasule, sounds good, but to reverse engineer it would take far too much time to be practical, even if I knew how to use the equipment necessary Dec 29 19:29:29 jaem, looks more like Bluetooth Handcuffs, Dec 29 19:29:58 I don't have the (custom) programming language docs, the IC specs, or even the pinout Dec 29 19:30:23 reversing it could probably be done, but at that point you might as well just buy a better device or build your own Dec 29 19:30:42 Xisdibik, yes, but shiny handcuffs :) Dec 29 19:30:48 also, the strap is rubbery Dec 29 19:30:56 jaem: do you in fact know it's the flash version? Dec 29 19:31:04 SpeedEvil, yes, that much is apparent Dec 29 19:31:19 I found the part number in an academic paper (otherwise I wouldn't have know :/) Dec 29 19:31:27 also, it has an 8Mb flash onboard Dec 29 19:31:41 jaem: I have noticed that some miscreant have put the software on various p2p networks... Dec 29 19:31:49 SpeedEvil, it even breaks out the SPI bus Dec 29 19:31:58 SpeedEvil, :O Oh, what a terrible person! Dec 29 19:32:02 ;) Dec 29 19:34:59 SpeedEvil, unfortunately, they have enough information on me to find me easily, and probably enough to know that I haven't purchased their software Dec 29 19:36:06 Nokia has upped the ante in its patent-infringement battle against Apple by extending its accusations to cover "virtually all of [Apple's] mobile phones, portable music players, and computers," Dec 29 19:36:11 csr have some very cool stuff. Dec 29 19:36:40 the joy of patent flinging Dec 29 19:37:07 I utterly don't understand why I can buy CSR chips easily, but not how to program them. Dec 29 19:37:09 Broken. Dec 29 19:37:41 Where CSR can be replaced by about 14 vendors from freescale to TI to ... Dec 29 19:38:06 SpeedEvil, it's like they don't like people using their products, or something... Dec 29 19:39:07 many companies accommodate students with a cheaper software license, or maybe even samples or dev board discounts, but they could at *least* give you the pinouts, and other basic info like that Dec 29 19:39:34 that just blows my mind Dec 29 19:39:42 They want to protect their partner's business model Dec 29 19:40:07 I quite literally cannot even look up my chip's model number past the series without being a big customer Dec 29 19:40:10 If you knew how to program FPGAs, you'd write awesome software and give it away or sell it Dec 29 19:40:18 jeremiah, their parters being who? Dec 29 19:40:22 And their partners will scream bloody murder. Dec 29 19:40:28 ISVs Dec 29 19:40:34 jeremiah, ah, but this is a BT chip Dec 29 19:40:45 all you can run on it is a custom ASM-like language, sandboxed Dec 29 19:42:23 * jaem just wants a wrist-mounted display, but this isn't really meant for what he wants Dec 29 19:42:29 I can display text, but it's clumsy Dec 29 19:42:34 and non-standards-compliant Dec 29 19:42:38 and hard on battery Dec 29 19:42:51 sigh Dec 29 19:43:00 if I had the cash, I'd just build my own Dec 29 19:43:32 anyhow, I should go get up, so I'll be back shortly Dec 29 19:45:47 well, I can only find reference to my problem in 1 forum entry Dec 29 19:45:50 and there is no response Dec 29 19:46:12 everyone else with an N900 has their micro SDHC cards working fine? Dec 29 19:46:15 grr xchat isnt stabe Dec 29 19:46:30 shinkamui: have you tried another brand? Dec 29 19:46:38 shinkamui, which brand are you using? Dec 29 19:46:39 shinkamui: mine works fine Dec 29 19:46:40 no, I only have 2 sandisk cards Dec 29 19:46:55 pupnik: what is the device it uses Dec 29 19:47:12 pupnik; /dev/? Dec 29 19:47:26 mmcblkNpN Dec 29 19:48:16 yea, I only have mmcblk0 Dec 29 19:48:21 and variants Dec 29 19:48:23 no mmcblk1 Dec 29 19:48:29 which I assumed woudl be the SD card port Dec 29 19:48:54 /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) Dec 29 19:49:04 needs a partituon number? Dec 29 19:49:06 fook, im fooked man Dec 29 19:49:24 wouldn't that mean the kernel isn't seeing the drive itself? Dec 29 19:49:39 or would it hotplug and load the driver automatically Dec 29 19:49:44 if the card were detected Dec 29 19:50:23 irony, i found that I have a 3rd micro card Dec 29 19:50:27 2gig but its also sandisk Dec 29 19:50:30 here goes nothing... Dec 29 19:52:24 Hi Dec 29 19:53:05 hello, aboudreault Dec 29 19:53:06 I thought maemo was made with QT, but I see a lot of examples using gtk.. Dec 29 19:53:27 You gotta give time to time Dec 29 19:53:29 mm, maemo 6 willl use qt though Dec 29 19:53:30 Ehhehehe Dec 29 19:53:50 When will maemo6 come out? Dec 29 19:54:25 no go Dec 29 19:54:31 god damn, this is frustrating Dec 29 19:54:41 my guess is sometime next year or 2011 Dec 29 19:54:48 and I dont want to buy ANOTHER microsdhc card of another brand only to discover its not the cards Dec 29 19:55:05 shinkamui, I've had good luck with Kingston/Patriot Dec 29 19:55:16 although if you can afford them, I'd recommend OCZ Dec 29 19:55:29 damn it Dec 29 19:55:37 their microSD cards are a bit pricey for me, but their flash drives are second to none Dec 29 19:55:44 shinkamui, :( Dec 29 19:55:52 borrow one from a friend? Dec 29 19:55:53 I guess we can code any application in QT anyway ? I do not want to code in gtk :P Dec 29 19:55:58 im just bummed, I have 3 stupid cards Dec 29 19:56:00 and none work Dec 29 19:56:02 Any news about a good facebook app for n900? Dec 29 19:56:08 I guess it can't hurt to buy another one Dec 29 19:56:14 shinkamui, or just make some excuse to return one you bought at Futureshop or similar? Dec 29 19:56:21 it's not like they actually know what they're doing Dec 29 19:56:24 heh Dec 29 19:56:33 aboudreault, yup Dec 29 19:56:40 shinkamui, also, have you made sure that the cards work in other devices? Dec 29 20:00:12 * konttori just posted a blog about baby steps with qml - http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/12/qml-hello-world-or-calculate-world.html Dec 29 20:00:17 includes video! Dec 29 20:01:36 OMG Qt invents JavaScript! =) Dec 29 20:04:59 jaem: yes Dec 29 20:05:02 I formatted them in my pc Dec 29 20:05:09 and the 2gig I just found came out of a digital photo frame Dec 29 20:05:14 they are all fat32 Dec 29 20:05:17 4k blocks Dec 29 20:05:41 shinkamui, huh... odd Dec 29 20:05:43 very odd Dec 29 20:05:52 you said it doesn't even show the device node? Dec 29 20:06:09 from my blog: "It's like CSR doesn't want people to use their products or something. Since that seems to be the case, I'll be sure to oblige them whenever possible once I graduate from Engineering." Dec 29 20:06:12 yea Dec 29 20:06:13 its not Dec 29 20:06:25 shinkamui, :/ Dec 29 20:07:11 ls /dev | grep mmc only shows the 4 mmc0 nodes Dec 29 20:07:15 need some help :/ Dec 29 20:07:25 MohammadAG, shoot Dec 29 20:07:33 RST38h: stop being cynical. The declarative part is where the beauty is. Javascript if just additional niceness Dec 29 20:07:38 My filesystem went corrupt, I fixed it using fsck but now the device doesn't vibrate :/ Dec 29 20:07:43 shinkamui, and you tried rebooting? (Not that you should have to) Dec 29 20:07:50 MohammadAG, which filesystem? root? Dec 29 20:07:51 yes, a number of times jaem Dec 29 20:07:52 or a card Dec 29 20:08:04 shinkamui, very strange Dec 29 20:08:05 hrm Dec 29 20:08:07 I can try buying a non sandisk card Dec 29 20:08:08 not sure what to say Dec 29 20:08:09 nah /home/MyDocs Dec 29 20:08:15 yeah, maybe, but you shouldn't have to Dec 29 20:08:22 err /home/user/MyDocs* Dec 29 20:08:22 but this is looney tunes Dec 29 20:08:38 MohammadAG, there shouldn't be anything in ~/MyDocs that can affect that Dec 29 20:08:54 I know, I didn't change anything with the device too Dec 29 20:08:59 should I be worried? Dec 29 20:09:16 (which I am actually) Dec 29 20:09:19 MohammadAG, naw, just go write a troll post on tmo yelling about how fsck bricked your device ;) Dec 29 20:09:20 oh Dec 29 20:09:21 sorry Dec 29 20:09:24 I should take this seriously Dec 29 20:09:27 hrm Dec 29 20:09:31 lol Dec 29 20:09:42 just to humor me, do you mind checking your vibra settings? Dec 29 20:09:52 the vibrator makes a sound Dec 29 20:09:56 but it's not strong Dec 29 20:10:00 hrmmmm Dec 29 20:10:09 and calling the device makes a sound Dec 29 20:10:17 is it constant and weak, or does it feel different as well? Dec 29 20:10:21 motor problem? :/ Dec 29 20:10:38 jaem: not that I think they will help, but I sent nokia US an email Dec 29 20:10:40 it makes a mosquito (the ringtone one) sound Dec 29 20:11:01 MohammadAG, could be... although usually vibra motors are mounted pretty well even in the cheap devices I've used, so a connection problem seems a bit unlikely on the N900 Dec 29 20:11:19 jaem, it worked yesterday Dec 29 20:11:42 and it worked just before I fixed it Dec 29 20:11:43 MohammadAG, maybe call support? From my experience, they have people who actually know the hardware on-hand Dec 29 20:12:05 yeah, especially when you live in jerusalem and it's imported :/ Dec 29 20:12:07 they might be able to help you, but just make it clear that you know what you're talking about, so they don't give you the Joe User spiel Dec 29 20:12:16 ahh, yeah, that'd be an issue Dec 29 20:12:17 hrm Dec 29 20:12:35 shinkamui, wouldn't bugs.maemo.org be more appropriate? Dec 29 20:13:06 MohammadAG, I'd say to leave it for a day or two, and maybe try shaking or lightly bumping the device to see if that changes anything Dec 29 20:13:18 done the latter :p Dec 29 20:13:28 and no change? Dec 29 20:13:35 not really Dec 29 20:13:47 reinstalling firmware Dec 29 20:13:57 * jaem nods Dec 29 20:14:00 it might be something I installed from extras-devel and the Dec 29 20:14:15 if that fails, maybe get a friend in NA or somewhere to call in for you Dec 29 20:14:18 and I thought it was because of the fix Dec 29 20:14:38 they were uncommonly informative about a previous problem after I mentioned I was an engineering student :P Dec 29 20:14:48 I installed make, would that be a problem? Dec 29 20:14:59 that's the first company who answered a "I know this isn't covered, but..." question Dec 29 20:15:14 lol Dec 29 20:15:24 MohammadAG, yes, it is. You just destroyed your --- no, just kidding Dec 29 20:15:29 lol Dec 29 20:15:39 some stuff in the sdk repo might cause software issues Dec 29 20:15:43 hmm... let me check something Dec 29 20:16:21 * MohammadAG types in dpkg -r make :p Dec 29 20:16:51 oh one more thing, extras-devel wasn't working for me today Dec 29 20:17:01 Hash entry not in the release file Dec 29 20:17:02 what does mce mean when it says "acting dead"? Dec 29 20:17:05 oops Dec 29 20:17:23 it's undead? :) Dec 29 20:17:40 * jaem grabs a shotgun Dec 29 20:17:47 lol Dec 29 20:18:00 -9 shotgun of process killing Dec 29 20:18:05 -snerk- Dec 29 20:18:09 if you catch my drift Dec 29 20:18:37 killall mce Dec 29 20:18:44 that should do it Dec 29 20:18:54 MohammadAG, well, it might make it *stop* vibrating Dec 29 20:19:05 lol Dec 29 20:19:09 I just checked if mce supported PWM or other power control for vibra, and it doesn't seem to Dec 29 20:19:29 mce? Dec 29 20:19:29 so if it's a software problem, it doesn't look to be something that's exposed to third-party code Dec 29 20:19:34 Mode Controller Entity Dec 29 20:19:42 oh Dec 29 20:19:45 the thing that makes you phone go ding, buzz, flash Dec 29 20:19:48 essentially Dec 29 20:19:54 your* Dec 29 20:20:31 it does more than that, but if you're interested, you can change the LED and vibra patterns to anything you want in /etc/mce/mce.ini Dec 29 20:20:40 actually, it's more like buzz and flash Dec 29 20:20:40 I think I need to fix my SD slot :x Dec 29 20:20:44 ding is handled by something else Dec 29 20:20:45 jaem: Ill post there too, good idea Dec 29 20:20:57 luke-jr, use a blowtorch and sledgehammer Dec 29 20:21:00 jaem, did/do you have an N97? Dec 29 20:21:08 jaem: -.- Dec 29 20:21:23 MohammadAG, no... we were going to get them for our project, but I convince my prof to go with N900s instead Dec 29 20:21:37 he does have one himself, though, so I've briefly played with it Dec 29 20:21:37 why? Dec 29 20:21:49 good for you then, but the N97 used to make the same sound when the battery was low Dec 29 20:21:57 (the N900's battery isn't low btw) Dec 29 20:22:05 lol Dec 29 20:22:06 fail Dec 29 20:22:07 jaem, HAHAHAH FAGGOT >:) Dec 29 20:22:20 and it wasn't just my phone Dec 29 20:22:26 b-man17, >_< Dec 29 20:22:31 oh andd the lower the battery, the more fainter it becomes Dec 29 20:22:34 ahem Dec 29 20:22:35 then it just disappear Dec 29 20:22:35 s Dec 29 20:22:37 haha Dec 29 20:22:49 b-man17, poor phrasing Dec 29 20:22:50 woops!!!!!!!! Dec 29 20:22:53 sorrry :( Dec 29 20:23:01 i have a bot script D: Dec 29 20:23:10 lol Dec 29 20:23:11 * b-man17 turns it off Dec 29 20:23:19 * jaem slaps b-man17 with a trout Dec 29 20:23:37 LOL Dec 29 20:23:42 sorry xD Dec 29 20:23:51 I really think trout-slapping should be an extension to IRC Dec 29 20:23:56 with real trout Dec 29 20:24:00 lol Dec 29 20:24:15 jaem, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrewnzQYrPI, 15khz part, that's my N900 now :p Dec 29 20:24:16 of course, then people with fancy routers could be jerks Dec 29 20:24:30 * b-man17 forgot to remove that bot script from ~/.xchat xD Dec 29 20:24:43 MohammadAG, no sound :( Dec 29 20:25:04 b-man17, I thought you were just interpreting what I said in a context other than what I meant >_< Dec 29 20:25:21 lol Dec 29 20:25:30 please help Dec 29 20:25:37 MohammadAG, we used to test our hearing range with a lab-bench function generator Dec 29 20:25:43 * jaem helps matt__ Dec 29 20:25:51 oh, you meant with something specific? Dec 29 20:25:52 :P Dec 29 20:26:07 actually 12 lol Dec 29 20:26:27 btw @ everyone: IF I SAY ANYTHING UNUSUAL - IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I FORGOT TO DISABLE MY IRC BOT xD Dec 29 20:26:36 b-man17: irc bots are for silly kids Dec 29 20:26:37 i've just downloaded new fiasco image for linux as my n900 is bricked but when i use terminal to flash it tells me there is no file or directory????? Dec 29 20:26:47 where do i put the file Dec 29 20:26:57 matt__, did you read the wiki? Dec 29 20:27:00 same directory as the flasher Dec 29 20:27:08 yes read the lot Dec 29 20:27:09 Stskeeps: i was testing it for a friend xD Dec 29 20:27:17 MohammadAG, kind of silly... "ultrasonic" ringtones >_< Dec 29 20:27:27 I doubt most phones' speakers go into the ultrasound range Dec 29 20:27:27 wheres the flasher kept Dec 29 20:27:34 matt__, oh, that's what you meant Dec 29 20:27:39 you're using the Linux terminal flasher? Dec 29 20:27:44 yep Dec 29 20:27:57 im a windows user normally Dec 29 20:27:59 well, then cd to where the flasher binary was downloaded to, and run it from there Dec 29 20:27:59 ah Dec 29 20:28:37 don't like to sound like a dunce but que? Dec 29 20:28:39 jaem, true, and ultrasonic can't be heard by anyone Dec 29 20:28:56 but you get my point don't you? Dec 29 20:28:58 matt__, use the cd command to go into the directory where you downloaded the flasher program Dec 29 20:29:06 it works like DOS' cd, more or less Dec 29 20:29:09 MohammadAG, yeah Dec 29 20:29:16 or I would if I had working audio on this junker Dec 29 20:29:25 matt__, e.g. cd /path/to/folder Dec 29 20:29:43 you can also use tab to autocomplete matt__ Dec 29 20:29:45 if you downloaded it in Firefox, it will probably be somewhere like /home/username/Downloads Dec 29 20:29:47 or Desktop Dec 29 20:29:55 depending on your distro Dec 29 20:30:12 once you're in the right directory, then run it like this: Dec 29 20:30:25 ./flasherprogram -switches filename Dec 29 20:30:26 30MBs left Dec 29 20:30:30 or whatever the syntax is Dec 29 20:30:35 whats the desktops path Dec 29 20:30:42 matt__, /home/yourusername/Desktop Dec 29 20:31:09 matt__, if the location is not in PATH, then you have to qualify the path to the program when you run it Dec 29 20:31:13 how can i connect my N900 onto wlan and be able to manually enter a LAN ip like 192.168.1.4? now when i try to connect it errors on wifi not having dhcp and disconnectas me. Dec 29 20:31:14 . means current directory Dec 29 20:31:14 linux is case sensitive, so it's Desktop not desktop Dec 29 20:31:30 so ./program means "the program named 'program' in the current directory" Dec 29 20:31:53 red, are you asking how to set up static IPs, or saying that doing so doesn't work? Dec 29 20:32:11 id like some help how its done :) Dec 29 20:32:14 what's the site that sells Nokia parts and is based in finland? Dec 29 20:32:19 I always forget its name Dec 29 20:32:27 fcl.fi or something like that Dec 29 20:32:31 kcl* Dec 29 20:32:38 it starts with a k Dec 29 20:32:51 kfc? Dec 29 20:33:04 klc.fi Dec 29 20:33:05 lol Dec 29 20:33:18 ah nvm that isnt anything prolly Dec 29 20:34:14 its still pissing about Dec 29 20:34:33 the flasher it finds but not the firmware Dec 29 20:34:44 matt__, is the fw in the same directory? Dec 29 20:34:45 matt__, you need to provide a qualified path to that too Dec 29 20:34:52 ^ Dec 29 20:34:54 so either a full path, or a relative path Dec 29 20:34:57 as with the program Dec 29 20:35:21 ????? why is this not explained on the wiki page Dec 29 20:35:25 damn it Dec 29 20:35:29 ok, I have no choice Dec 29 20:35:36 im gonna go buy a cheap non sandisk micro card Dec 29 20:35:38 matt__, it's assumed that if you're using Linux, you would know this Dec 29 20:35:41 from target or radio smack Dec 29 20:35:41 matt__, basic linux Dec 29 20:35:43 admittedly a GUI flasher would be nice Dec 29 20:35:54 jaem, there's NSU for that Dec 29 20:36:07 but honestly, it is fairly basic Linux knowledge Dec 29 20:36:09 jaem: Im considering reflashing if this doesn'wok Dec 29 20:36:12 nsu is what bricked my phone Dec 29 20:36:12 MohammadAG, for Linux, I meant Dec 29 20:36:24 are stock images available? Dec 29 20:36:25 lol nsu is what bricked my phone Dec 29 20:36:30 matt__, I'm not criticizing you, but just explaining the rationale Dec 29 20:36:42 Transparent Goldfish Developed By Japanese To Reduce Unnecessary Dissections Dec 29 20:36:50 RST38h, bwahahaha Dec 29 20:36:52 update failed :/ Dec 29 20:37:02 Service layer stopped Dec 29 20:37:15 red, Settings -> Networks -> Connections Dec 29 20:37:23 then click edit and go to the advanced settings Dec 29 20:37:31 I think you can do it on first connect as well Dec 29 20:38:15 doh, didnt think to check there Dec 29 20:38:23 does NSU support flashing mode? Dec 29 20:38:26 thought i need to use x term Dec 29 20:38:32 the U key then usb cable one Dec 29 20:38:42 jaem Dec 29 20:38:47 im might be on to something Dec 29 20:38:50 shinkamui, oh? Dec 29 20:38:53 I just went into the kernel logs Dec 29 20:39:01 mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Dec 29 20:39:06 shinkamui, aha! Dec 29 20:39:07 !!! Dec 29 20:39:11 NSU birkced hte device Dec 29 20:39:13 xD Dec 29 20:39:14 did you lock down the card properly? Dec 29 20:39:17 the* Dec 29 20:39:27 i thought so Dec 29 20:39:30 but let me dbl check Dec 29 20:39:34 shinkamui, the N810 had a magnetic switch for the SD cover - not sure how it's done on the N900 Dec 29 20:39:36 * RST38h sighs Dec 29 20:39:37 hmm, 26 hours into using my N900, I've just had my first complete crash/lockup (only had the browser and calendar crash on me before, once each) Dec 29 20:39:46 jaem, piece of metal Dec 29 20:39:50 in any case, I have to run, but PM me if you find anything interesting, or else it will get lost in the scrollback Dec 29 20:39:52 found that about 20 minutes ago Dec 29 20:40:02 I thought the microSDHC slot got fried or something Dec 29 20:40:03 MohammadAG, yes, but I meant how it detects whether it's been closed properly Dec 29 20:40:09 bye Dec 29 20:40:21 magnet? Dec 29 20:40:27 kinda like the N97's camera Dec 29 20:40:29 it probably uses magnet to detect back cover presence Dec 29 20:40:38 :) Dec 29 20:40:48 ShadowJK, I'm pretty sure I've run my device without the back cover Dec 29 20:40:56 although I'm not certain if I had a card loaded at the time Dec 29 20:41:01 it will run, but the microsd wont be accessible Dec 29 20:41:10 ShadowJK, O RLY? Dec 29 20:41:11 huh Dec 29 20:41:15 good to know Dec 29 20:41:16 cheers Dec 29 20:41:17 jaem, it runs Dec 29 20:41:24 ShadowJK, said it Dec 29 20:41:37 again I didn't find the microSD in the file manager Dec 29 20:41:41 jeremiah: What is that story with a new repo??? Dec 29 20:41:47 When you remove the back cover, the microsd card will disappear from file manager etc Dec 29 20:41:50 thought it got fried, got another one and it didn't work Dec 29 20:41:59 yeah, I learned that the hard way Dec 29 20:42:35 jeremiah: Community SSU finally becoming a reality? Dec 29 20:43:06 n900 stopped at the 4th bubble at startup Dec 29 20:43:11 ty NSU Dec 29 20:43:15 actually fu* Dec 29 20:43:29 jaem: crap, its definately locked Dec 29 20:43:40 at least I have something more to go by Dec 29 20:44:35 still buggered, could anyone tell me if i downloaded the flasher and installed it where it would be? Dec 29 20:44:43 RST38h: just step 1 Dec 29 20:44:53 RST38h: it is all technically possible though Dec 29 20:45:20 Stskeeps: hopefully... Dec 29 20:45:32 Dec 29 20:45:39 RST38h: and ssu for n8x0, not n900 Dec 29 20:45:43 but the exersise is good anyway :P Dec 29 20:46:01 hmmm ? Dec 29 20:46:22 Stskeeps: do you mean n900 owner will have to reflash the device when the next update is available ? Dec 29 20:46:31 no. Dec 29 20:46:35 ah, ok. cool :) Dec 29 20:46:43 wtf is wrong with NSU! Dec 29 20:46:45 He means that the *community* SSU is for N8x0, not n900 Dec 29 20:46:53 no, it's having a organisation that creates a SSU for diablo, which in due time can be used when nokia gives up on N900 Dec 29 20:47:32 can i connect n900 into wifi without it disconnecting the 3G connection automatically? Dec 29 20:47:33 mohammesAG do you know where the flasher is kept (path)???? Dec 29 20:47:52 showing community is structured enough to help out in that regard or help in a ssu like process :P Dec 29 20:48:39 would use wifi in lan mode for fast file transfer via scp, while retaining phones connection Dec 29 20:50:39 can anyone tell me the file path of maemo flasher once installed??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dec 29 20:50:45 flasher-3.5? Dec 29 20:50:53 and cut down on the ?'s, they cause global warming Dec 29 20:50:54 before i hurt myself Dec 29 20:50:56 yep Dec 29 20:51:04 w? Dec 29 20:51:32 any ideas? Dec 29 20:51:39 "installed", if you're using windows, I thought there was this dog called rover that you can ask to go find files and folders Dec 29 20:51:51 linux dude Dec 29 20:51:59 ubuntustudio Dec 29 20:52:12 http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/184444003 :DDD Dec 29 20:52:18 http://news.deviantart.com/article/103685 100 left! Dec 29 20:52:30 i thought it was just a download of the binary.. :/ Dec 29 20:53:02 matt__: did you download the deb? Dec 29 20:53:22 RST38h: Yeah, I hope so. :) Dec 29 20:53:27 yep deb Dec 29 20:53:53 did you install the deb? Dec 29 20:54:02 ok here goes what do i type in the terminal if the fw files are on the desktop Dec 29 20:54:14 ~flashing Dec 29 20:54:16 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 29 20:54:18 states this quite directly Dec 29 20:54:22 argh Dec 29 20:54:26 but answer my question first Dec 29 20:54:34 my x terms pg up and down are broken Dec 29 20:54:48 yes installed the deb Dec 29 20:54:57 doubleclicked it, installed, etc? Dec 29 20:55:01 anyone know the correct key name when fiddling around with gconf? Dec 29 20:55:02 then sudo flasher-3.5 should do the trick Dec 29 20:55:23 where do i get the fiasco images from Dec 29 20:55:31 tablets-dev.nokia.com Dec 29 20:55:38 infobot i have done exactly whats said on the tin according to the wiki page Dec 29 20:55:39 You have done exactly whats said on the tin according to the wiki page? Dec 29 20:55:56 anyone volunteering for a #maemo-help or #maemo-newbies? :P Dec 29 20:56:21 stskeep nope Dec 29 20:56:23 everything to do with linux n that page has been tried to no avail Dec 29 20:56:30 does anyone know where the magnet is supposed to be for detecting if the lid is closed? Dec 29 20:56:34 it would seem im missing mine Dec 29 20:56:54 matt__: what does sudo flasher-3.5 say? Dec 29 20:57:02 after typing in your user password if it asks Dec 29 20:57:20 can't find the directory??? Dec 29 20:58:14 . Dec 29 20:58:54 matt__: 'sudo flasher-3.5' in terminal says what. Dec 29 20:59:17 that it can't find the directory Dec 29 20:59:32 write me the exact error message, please Dec 29 20:59:52 hold on Dec 29 21:00:03 does anybody knows how long does it take to get permissions for maemo-extras? Dec 29 21:00:38 felipec hm Dec 29 21:00:45 felipec: it's usually a time dependent on when X-Fade processes the queue Dec 29 21:00:45 shouldnt last that long Dec 29 21:00:56 ~seen x-fade Dec 29 21:00:59 x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 18h 38m 23s). Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 5h 13m 8s, last said: 'javispedro: That can be, I don't know.'. Dec 29 21:01:34 it says there is no such file or directory even though its on my desktop Dec 29 21:01:54 matt__, did you type it with tab? Dec 29 21:02:03 no Dec 29 21:02:05 like RX *press tab* Dec 29 21:02:06 woglinde: days? Dec 29 21:02:11 editing the keys in xterm, where could i find which key is labeled what? like Escape is Escape, a is a,but what are Page Up and Page Down? Dec 29 21:02:14 then do it, it's much easier Dec 29 21:02:16 whats RX? Dec 29 21:02:16 matt__: ok, this means that you did not install the deb. Dec 29 21:02:27 the start of the filename matt__ Dec 29 21:02:27 felipec hm no Dec 29 21:02:41 seems x-fade is not on the road these days Dec 29 21:02:44 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin for me Dec 29 21:02:53 I would type RX- then tab Dec 29 21:02:56 felipec what you are trying to upload? Dec 29 21:03:01 if it completes it, the file's there Dec 29 21:03:04 felipec maybee I can do it for you Dec 29 21:03:10 if not, the directory is wrongf Dec 29 21:03:13 -f Dec 29 21:03:15 the deb is definitely installed Dec 29 21:03:16 man this battery meter makes me lol. Dec 29 21:03:20 guess ill go by trial and error Dec 29 21:03:23 I think he isn't getting as far as executing the binary Dec 29 21:03:35 matt__: dpkg -S flasher-3.5 Dec 29 21:03:42 if this doesn't show anything, it's definately not installed :P Dec 29 21:03:49 incase someone knows throw me a query, cant scroll up atm Dec 29 21:04:19 matt__, it's not the deb file causing the problem right? Dec 29 21:04:30 don't think so Dec 29 21:04:32 i.e ./flasher-3.5 works Dec 29 21:04:40 yep it works Dec 29 21:04:43 i think Dec 29 21:04:46 o.o Dec 29 21:04:52 woglinde: telepathy-msn-pecan Dec 29 21:04:55 if ./flasher-3.5 works, you didn't download the deb file. Dec 29 21:04:55 type ./flasher-3.5 Dec 29 21:04:59 what do you get Dec 29 21:05:07 (new package) Dec 29 21:05:11 im using sudo flash cmd Dec 29 21:05:53 Hello Dec 29 21:06:23 umm, is there even a sudo flash cmd? Dec 29 21:06:24 felipc I think x-fade will do it tomorrow Dec 29 21:06:26 sup Dec 29 21:06:53 Note: If you installed from the .deb package, the command will omit the './' (sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R). Dec 29 21:07:02 thats from the wiki page Dec 29 21:07:27 does anyone see on the back of their device some sort of metal or magnet Dec 29 21:07:36 I can't find anything on mine, I think this is why it never thinks the back is on Dec 29 21:07:48 So, what's the output of 'dpkg -S flasher-3.5' Dec 29 21:08:20 shinkamui: not actually sure if it uses a magnet, though I'm guessing it would for the camera cover? Dec 29 21:08:29 the camera definately does Dec 29 21:08:35 I can see the metal lead Dec 29 21:08:49 but Im unable to find anything the N900 would use to detect the back cover missing or not Dec 29 21:08:54 this is why I can't use my mmc Dec 29 21:08:58 err SDHC Dec 29 21:09:07 matt__, where is the file you downloaded located? Dec 29 21:09:23 i typed sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_ARM.bin ENTER Dec 29 21:09:37 are you in the file directory? Dec 29 21:09:42 mohammed i haven't a clue looked all over the shop Dec 29 21:09:53 anyone mind taking a picture of the inside of their back cover and posting it Dec 29 21:09:57 matt__ Dec 29 21:09:59 thats gonna be my best bet Dec 29 21:10:08 where did you save the .bin file? Dec 29 21:10:30 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_ARM.bin this one matt__ , where did you save it Dec 29 21:10:37 the firmware? Dec 29 21:10:45 so .desktop files live in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ But on "many" systems, you can do a ~/.local/share/applications or similar for user .desktop files. Is there anything similar in maemo? Dec 29 21:10:47 yes, the image to be more precise Dec 29 21:11:04 well it was initially in downloads, now tis on the desktop Dec 29 21:11:16 and what's your username in linux? Dec 29 21:11:17 hey are there any advantages to ogg vs mp3? Dec 29 21:11:30 matt Dec 29 21:11:35 Dantonic for what? Dec 29 21:11:39 case sensitive matt? Dec 29 21:11:49 i.e it's not Matt right? Dec 29 21:11:53 just matt Dec 29 21:11:56 I dont know anything about ogg... just wondering Dec 29 21:11:57 k Dec 29 21:11:59 woglinde, Dec 29 21:12:09 for music I guess Dec 29 21:12:12 :P Dec 29 21:12:16 quality Dec 29 21:12:20 sudo flasher-3.5 -F /home/matt/Desktop/RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 29 21:12:21 ogg is patent free Dec 29 21:12:23 type it like that Dec 29 21:12:31 main avantage of ogg vs mp3 is you dont have to bother with legal issue when distributing ogg file Dec 29 21:12:37 quality is bit better Dec 29 21:12:49 and it packs better vs same bitrate Dec 29 21:12:57 mohammed if this works youre a star Dec 29 21:12:58 distributing and chaarging for mp3 file may require to pay a fee to whoever own the format (thompson ?) Dec 29 21:13:07 btw. ogg is the container format Dec 29 21:13:16 vorbis right? Dec 29 21:13:20 the codec Dec 29 21:13:21 * MohammadAG thinks it's not going to work then :p Dec 29 21:13:22 right Dec 29 21:13:23 vorbis is the Dec 29 21:13:25 ye Dec 29 21:13:29 vorbis is audio Dec 29 21:13:31 theorea video Dec 29 21:13:35 args Dec 29 21:13:35 matt__, I'm flashing mine in the next 5 minutes Dec 29 21:13:37 theora Dec 29 21:13:57 all right, thanks Dec 29 21:14:08 did you see apple patented gloves with holes in the finger end? Dec 29 21:14:10 didn't work same error msg 'no such file or directory Dec 29 21:14:23 :/ Dec 29 21:14:30 Hobos have prior art. Dec 29 21:14:38 matt__, type cd Dec 29 21:14:39 just cd Dec 29 21:14:47 done Dec 29 21:14:58 dmj7261: but they can't afford court Dec 29 21:15:02 move the .bin file to your home directory Dec 29 21:15:06 so they don't count Dec 29 21:15:33 done Dec 29 21:15:42 good, now type ls Dec 29 21:15:47 what does it output? Dec 29 21:15:48 what about the millionaire hobos? Dec 29 21:15:48 MohammedAG: now is it flasher saying file not found, sudo saying file not found, or bash saying sudo isn't found ;) Dec 29 21:16:20 dmj7261: they moved to bahamas Dec 29 21:16:27 good point lol Dec 29 21:16:28 type the same as b4 in terminal Dec 29 21:17:13 matt__, copy the error from terminal using ctrl shift c Dec 29 21:17:20 exactly as it appears Dec 29 21:17:35 No such file or directory Dec 29 21:17:40 hmm Dec 29 21:17:40 with the line before it Dec 29 21:17:48 maemo-geolocation stopped working for me Dec 29 21:17:53 * tigert wonders what the problem is Dec 29 21:17:57 copy the line before it Dec 29 21:19:53 for some reason when pasted in here and then entered it doesn't show? Dec 29 21:20:29 matt__, pastebin.com then Dec 29 21:21:13 matt__: dot before slash Dec 29 21:21:45 oh I see the problem now Dec 29 21:21:54 thanks for pointing it out red Dec 29 21:22:01 i didn't Dec 29 21:22:01 he can double slash it too Dec 29 21:22:06 it did it 4 me Dec 29 21:22:39 matt__, binary images downloaded here, I'll go into linux now Dec 29 21:22:52 brb Dec 29 21:22:59 k Dec 29 21:23:06 MohammadAG: im not sure if you were being sarcastic withe me or not :) Dec 29 21:23:32 i wasn't Dec 29 21:23:37 promise Dec 29 21:23:50 i need all the help i can get Dec 29 21:25:56 olá Logikz Dec 29 21:26:58 google.com/maps/m Dec 29 21:27:02 ok sleep Dec 29 21:28:47 matt__, Dec 29 21:28:52 yo Dec 29 21:28:55 when you type sudo flasher-3.5 Dec 29 21:28:57 what does it say Dec 29 21:29:28 copy the first line Dec 29 21:29:28 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Dec 29 21:29:37 ok, so the deb is installed Dec 29 21:29:45 go to home Dec 29 21:29:50 then the cmd options Dec 29 21:30:03 go to /home (in an explorer) Dec 29 21:30:17 there Dec 29 21:30:26 copy the file to a new folder Dec 29 21:30:34 name the folder anything without spaces Dec 29 21:30:52 done Dec 29 21:31:07 good, now cd to that directory in terminal Dec 29 21:31:29 how again? Dec 29 21:31:39 im not a linux user Dec 29 21:31:49 normally Dec 29 21:31:50 cd /home/matt/ Dec 29 21:32:44 ok done..... now in terminal matt@ubuntu:~/maemo$ Dec 29 21:32:54 kk type ls Dec 29 21:32:59 that's an L and an S Dec 29 21:33:22 Is there a "best" ssh client for Maemo 5? I'd prefer something that can create a tunnel where I could use an rdesktop client through the tunnel. Dec 29 21:33:35 shows the file in new folder Dec 29 21:33:45 the fw file Dec 29 21:34:00 mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~/maemo$ ls Dec 29 21:34:00 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Dec 29 21:34:05 sth like that right? Dec 29 21:34:43 blizzow1: afaik there's only openssh and dropbear and they can both do that... but i only tried openssh Dec 29 21:34:57 command not found how can this be Dec 29 21:35:25 well openssh it is. Can/Should I get it via Ovi, or maemo.org? Dec 29 21:35:32 or some other method/site? Dec 29 21:36:01 enable extras in application manager's menu->catalogs Dec 29 21:36:13 matt__, sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 29 21:36:21 copy it as it is Dec 29 21:36:30 wait Dec 29 21:36:35 copy it modifying the filename Dec 29 21:36:42 I don't know what your file is called Dec 29 21:36:59 mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~/maemo$ sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 29 21:37:00 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Dec 29 21:37:00 SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_002 Dec 29 21:37:02 it worked for me Dec 29 21:37:06 and I did it as you did Dec 29 21:37:13 copied to maemo folder etc.. Dec 29 21:37:32 wow, that went ffast Dec 29 21:37:33 Announcement: despotify package for fremantle is in extras-devel (latest svn - highly unstable) Dec 29 21:37:34 fast* Dec 29 21:37:44 no cred to me, another guy at maemosweden fixed it Dec 29 21:37:59 im releasing qtify gui soon Dec 29 21:38:01 mohammed you've cracked it i owe you a pint Dec 29 21:38:12 lol I don't drink :P Dec 29 21:38:34 now I need help myself Dec 29 21:38:37 A thousand thank yous then! Dec 29 21:38:50 a thousand nps back :) Dec 29 21:39:07 nps? Dec 29 21:39:14 no problems? Dec 29 21:39:18 no problem-s Dec 29 21:39:19 :) Dec 29 21:39:21 aye Dec 29 21:39:47 vibration not working :/ Dec 29 21:39:56 flashed it and it's still not working :( Dec 29 21:40:11 ShadowJK: Thanks. Dec 29 21:41:56 still won't flash Dec 29 21:42:04 what's the problem? Dec 29 21:42:49 held the u down when plugging in yet terminal says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. and the phone keeps beeping Dec 29 21:43:28 turn off the device Dec 29 21:43:39 shit I used ctrl c while flashing Dec 29 21:43:48 flasher killed in the middle of the process lol Dec 29 21:44:25 thats seems to be a prob too Dec 29 21:44:42 can only turn it off proper by taking out battery Dec 29 21:44:46 yes, same here Dec 29 21:45:02 when it's bricked that's how you do it :) Dec 29 21:45:23 so you reckon mine's just fucked? Dec 29 21:46:12 no, I had to take out the battery too Dec 29 21:46:16 take the battery out Dec 29 21:46:44 insert it, hold u, keep holding it and insert he USB Dec 29 21:46:45 yeah then what Dec 29 21:47:12 by the way with the battery out my orange/yellow light came on Dec 29 21:47:42 erm Dec 29 21:47:48 with the battery OUT?! Dec 29 21:48:03 yeah Dec 29 21:49:35 What GAN is over 9000! Dec 29 21:49:44 it shouldn't have power with the battery out matt__ Dec 29 21:49:52 was the USB cable plugged in? Dec 29 21:50:14 i think it was cuz the usb was still in Dec 29 21:50:30 don't do it again Dec 29 21:50:38 it might kill the device for good Dec 29 21:50:52 now pull the battery, and the usb cable b4 it Dec 29 21:51:29 but tried again battery out then back in holdin u then connecting usb yet the phone screen doesn't show usb symbol Dec 29 21:51:52 but the light comes on Dec 29 21:52:01 then off Dec 29 21:52:21 lol,..a news about a American couple that got lost during three days because of a bad GPS system, look at the picture that the newspapers used : http://www.ionline.pt/conteudo/39690-perdidos-culpa-foi-do-gps Dec 29 21:52:49 its actually continually shutting itself down and back on again Dec 29 21:53:12 matt__, is there a microSD in there? Dec 29 21:53:17 no Dec 29 21:53:29 matt__, that happened to me a while ago too Dec 29 21:53:49 how did you rectify it Dec 29 21:53:56 but then I just pulled the battery, held u, connected the cable then un-held u Dec 29 21:54:00 VDVsx, *facepalm* Dec 29 21:54:19 in English: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581303,00.html?test=latestnews Dec 29 21:54:23 lol Dec 29 21:55:48 how does one go about sending this back for a replacement Dec 29 21:56:34 matt__, make sure you're doing it right before you send it Dec 29 21:56:43 it's a 2 minute process if you do it properly Dec 29 21:56:48 everything to the word Dec 29 21:56:56 but no joy Dec 29 21:57:33 what can they do, its not workin Dec 29 21:57:55 matt you sure you're pressing u before and releasing it after plugging in the USB? Dec 29 21:58:10 you don't have to press the power button Dec 29 21:58:25 also disconnect any power hungry USB devices Dec 29 21:58:32 and don't use hubs Dec 29 21:58:47 the u is the same button as '7' Dec 29 21:59:30 yeah Dec 29 21:59:43 then im doing it right Dec 29 21:59:48 kk Dec 29 22:00:00 again make sure your PC can supply enough power Dec 29 22:00:07 I doubt that's the problem though Dec 29 22:00:10 it must be fucked Dec 29 22:00:24 my pcs got plenty of power Dec 29 22:01:45 are you saying that as soon as the usb is in the u should be depressed? Dec 29 22:07:50 mohammed thanks for all your help but it looks like im gonna have to send this back Dec 29 22:07:54 matt__, nokia would display Dec 29 22:08:01 and a USB at the top right corner Dec 29 22:08:16 the backlight should be off too Dec 29 22:08:17 bo usb symbol Dec 29 22:08:23 no*? Dec 29 22:08:39 hi guys, i have extras and extras-devel enabled, but even after refreshing the package database, searching for 'duke' gives me no results. i read duke nukem 3d would be in extras-testing now? Dec 29 22:08:47 using n900 Dec 29 22:08:58 duke nukem forever? Dec 29 22:08:59 haha Dec 29 22:09:07 it is Dieterbe Dec 29 22:09:14 woglinde, duke nukem 3D Dec 29 22:09:20 shareware and CD versions Dec 29 22:09:23 he Dec 29 22:09:28 joke Dec 29 22:09:34 i get 0 results in the app manager when searching for duke :( Dec 29 22:09:41 is it in extras-testing? Dec 29 22:09:46 oh, then I just fail at humor :p Dec 29 22:09:57 not sure Dieterbe, flashing the device Dec 29 22:10:17 check http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing Dec 29 22:10:34 if it's in /pool/fremantle/d then it should be on the N900 Dec 29 22:11:13 hmm it's not in there Dec 29 22:11:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=445835#post445835 Dec 29 22:12:23 Dieterbe, Dec 29 22:12:24 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/duke3d/ Dec 29 22:13:02 extras-devel huh.. time to void some warranties Dec 29 22:16:11 lol Dieterbe Dec 29 22:17:20 no idea for your problem btw Dec 29 22:20:25 hi Dec 29 22:20:59 installing duke3d shareware B) Dec 29 22:21:01 hi bobbyd Dec 29 22:22:14 has anyone got link local addressing working on the n900? I see avahi is there, but I'm not sure about configuration Dec 29 22:23:19 i heard people have got it working, but not me Dec 29 22:23:51 ok Dec 29 22:23:56 I'll mess about with it a bit Dec 29 22:24:12 can't be bothered with typing 192.168...... all the time :) Dec 29 22:24:46 Dieterbe: please test thoroughly Dec 29 22:25:09 bobbyd, change the router ip to 1.1.1.1 ;p Dec 29 22:25:23 pupnik_: are you the guy i should thank for this? :( Dec 29 22:25:25 i mean :) Dec 29 22:25:39 no, ukki is Dec 29 22:26:02 i can't test it since i get seasick playing it Dec 29 22:26:21 well i'll test it for sure Dec 29 22:26:28 can i use the maemo bugtracker for issues with this? Dec 29 22:27:07 i think so. Dec 29 22:27:22 speaking of bugtrackers, should I report my issue? Dec 29 22:27:31 about the N900 not vibrating Dec 29 22:27:50 hmmm pupnik_ any idea how i should go out of menu's? there is no Esc key :P Dec 29 22:28:10 one of the buttons gets out - try backspace/del Dec 29 22:28:34 del? i only have backspace and it doesn't work Dec 29 22:29:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36054&highlight=duke3d+n900 Dec 29 22:29:12 Dieterbe: is nothing else works, click the power button and tap "end current application" Dec 29 22:30:15 Dieterbe: do you have an english keyboard layout? Dec 29 22:30:23 shift-backspace is used as esc in some apps. what are we talking about? Dec 29 22:30:27 yes pupnik_ Dec 29 22:30:39 dukenukem3d Dec 29 22:30:41 mece, it's CTRL backspace :) Dec 29 22:30:43 and shiftbackspace doesn't work Dec 29 22:30:52 that neither Dec 29 22:30:53 MohammadAG_, umm.. no. Dec 29 22:31:08 :) Dec 29 22:31:11 hm Dec 29 22:31:14 dashboard? Dec 29 22:31:27 the dashboard is accessed by pressing ctrl backspace Dec 29 22:31:49 SDL games have problems with different keyboard layouts. Dec 29 22:32:17 but there is only one true keyboard layout, the Netherlands/UK one =) Dec 29 22:32:33 The rest are bogus, BOGUS! Dec 29 22:32:41 I feel that way about ASCII Dec 29 22:32:43 thank god you don't rule the world Dec 29 22:32:49 now now, crawl back into your 7-bit cave, RST38h Dec 29 22:32:50 I'd vote for him Dec 29 22:32:54 Which god? Dec 29 22:33:01 internet Dec 29 22:33:26 internet god is dead, beaten it at the last stage Dec 29 22:33:57 nope, functional as ever. see http://www.kurtgreenbaumisapussy.com/ for example Dec 29 22:34:23 anyway i cannot control duke, and cannot really navigate properly through the menu's either Dec 29 22:34:24 * pupnik_ checks out how emulib plays sounds Dec 29 22:34:25 that is a different god Dec 29 22:34:29 The Anonymous Dec 29 22:34:40 * Dieterbe off Dec 29 22:34:42 see ya guys Dec 29 22:34:49 btw RST38h dvorak > * Dec 29 22:35:06 pupnik: WriteAudio() for waveforms, PlaySound() for melodic Dec 29 22:35:15 oh that's just pretty Dec 29 22:35:20 Dvorak must die. Dec 29 22:35:39 And the boob-shaped MS keyboard should also die Dec 29 22:35:41 Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (96.17.106.136). - connect (111 Connection refused) Dec 29 22:35:45 RST38h: NEVAH Dec 29 22:35:59 zash: use real boobies Dec 29 22:36:10 to do the typing Dec 29 22:36:12 get live Dec 29 22:36:33 RST38h: context=dvorak Dec 29 22:36:55 zash: ERROR 235: CANNOT PARSE Dec 29 22:37:59 pkill -SIGNOU RST38h Dec 29 22:38:13 Unix/SndSDL.c is doing the actual writing RST38h ? Dec 29 22:38:13 pkill: not found Dec 29 22:38:23 pupnik: Guess so Dec 29 22:38:53 thanks. filesize fits in brain Dec 29 22:38:56 pupnik: But approach it with some caution: it has only been tested on STMP37xx systems and terribly glitched on Maemo4 Dec 29 22:39:18 pupnik: I was eventually told it was the problem with Maemo4 ALSA though Dec 29 22:39:24 oh i am in glitch-land. working on glitchy glitches. Dec 29 22:39:53 pupnik: Be also aware that the EMUlib is not GPLed, so rewrite, do not reuse ;) Dec 29 22:40:39 i am just trying to learn Dec 29 22:40:49 here's my newest discovery http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442596&postcount=6 Dec 29 22:41:16 SDL_audio_alsa.cpp somehow creates a too-small buffer_size Dec 29 22:41:37 you probably missed some parameter, it is real easy with alsa Dec 29 22:41:37 at least for talking straight to RX51 audio pcm0p Dec 29 22:42:02 umm how do I get my contacts off ovi contacts to the N900? Dec 29 22:42:20 ALSA's designers were another showcase of tragically autistic bunch of geeks =( Dec 29 22:43:01 mhm well i have a nice emu to test this with (NOT dosbox) Dec 29 22:43:02 hello Dec 29 22:43:38 I noticed that my N900 does not show the cell ID. Is there a way to enable this? And I'm also failing at changing the ringtone... Dec 29 22:43:43 pupnik: Basically, SndSDL tries to ignore all the ALSA crap and create a simple hardware buffer of given length (computed from latency and playback rate) Dec 29 22:44:04 pupnik: ALSA does not make it easy, but after looking at some Dec 29 22:44:17 pupnik: ALSA code I have managed to do it, at least on STMP37xx Dec 29 22:44:42 pupnik: You are then becomeing responsible of keeping the buffer full by using GetFreeAudio() and WriteAudio() calls Dec 29 22:44:44 bochs ! Dec 29 22:45:02 perfect. Dec 29 22:45:49 Ok, will go hit the bed now. Sorry, its too late here Dec 29 22:45:56 megapapo, incoming/outgoing calls? Dec 29 22:46:00 thanks! Dec 29 22:46:09 ie you don't get the ID of the caller or the opposite? Dec 29 22:46:13 MohammadAG: aw Dec 29 22:46:36 MohammadAG: sorry I've got the N900-flash.. (received the device today). cell ID, not call ID Dec 29 22:46:53 ah but I wrote cell ID Dec 29 22:47:23 oh I misunderstood you then Dec 29 22:47:23 megapapo: the name of the cell... depends on the provider, usually town or district or something Dec 29 22:59:58 is `git pull` missing from n900's git? "git: 'pull' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'." Dec 29 23:00:15 The execution of a British man, mohammad ahmed ali babba, in China has gone largely unnoticed by the government, spare their vague attempts at trying desperately not to appear racist Dec 29 23:00:29 Sheesh, if he was white, China would be a smoking pile of ash by now Dec 29 23:03:21 MohammadAG: man it can't be that hard to change the ringtone.... Dec 29 23:03:43 MohammadAG Dec 29 23:03:45 Ah, actually his name was Akmal Sheikh Dec 29 23:03:46 thanks for replying to my post Dec 29 23:03:51 would you mind taking a picture for me? Dec 29 23:03:54 I don't see anything shiny Dec 29 23:03:57 I think thats my problem Dec 29 23:04:14 But that's just unpronounceably asian enough for approximately 99.9% of white people to not give a fuck Dec 29 23:04:43 toggles_w: Do a git --version Dec 29 23:05:04 jeremiah: /home/user # git --version Dec 29 23:05:04 git version 1.6.5.7 Dec 29 23:05:15 pupnik_: updated layout file http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/rover/rover.sys Dec 29 23:05:24 Gadgetoid_iMac: hardly unnoticed. Dec 29 23:05:37 toggles_w: But that is the latest version. Dec 29 23:05:48 Gadgetoid_iMac: was a fairly major item in a couple of newses that I just listened to on national radio. Dec 29 23:05:53 toggles_w: Are you on the device? Dec 29 23:05:58 SpeedEvil: Press != Government Dec 29 23:05:59 jeremiah: i got it from the tools repo Dec 29 23:06:03 yes,on device Dec 29 23:06:26 * jeremiah installs git on his N900 Dec 29 23:06:30 push seems to work, but not pull Dec 29 23:06:34 The press will trump up any old shit for a buck or two, this should have been a simple "Give us our citizen back for a trial on our grounds, or we'll fucking bomb you" matter Dec 29 23:06:57 .oO( How could they not have pull? ) Dec 29 23:07:06 dunno.. Dec 29 23:07:29 Weird. Dec 29 23:07:34 File a bug I guess. Dec 29 23:07:37 very Dec 29 23:07:39 Gadgetoid_iMac: And for china to do the same is entirely acceptable if it wants a dissident back to execute? Dec 29 23:08:30 SpeedEvil: Fair trade Dec 29 23:08:49 ty javispedro ! Dec 29 23:09:28 would anyone mind taking 2 seconds to take a picture of the inside of their N900 back cover and post in online for me? Dec 29 23:09:35 I think im missing a piece of metal or something Dec 29 23:09:39 SpeedEvil: Fortunately most of the chinese who end up here are smart enough not to go on a murder rampage... and unfortunately, at least from the ones they showed interviewed on TV (which I'm sure was to show the UK the more oppressed, clueless, "barbaric" side of china) were clueless ignorant fuckwits Dec 29 23:09:41 from mine Dec 29 23:10:29 And I quoth: "A chinese person would be dealt the death sentence, so everyone else should," rather than "The death sentence is fundamentally wrong in all but the most extreme of circumstances" Dec 29 23:10:32 pupnik_: sorry, redownload again now (server was a bit slow) Dec 29 23:11:10 Gadgetoid_iMac: the other superpower disagrees. Dec 29 23:11:21 But hey, welcome to the UK... we're a country of equally clueless ignorant fuckwits with decidedly less chance of ever getting up off our arses than China... because we're comfortable Dec 29 23:12:10 javispedro: shift to get : and ; works now! Dec 29 23:12:23 SpeedEvil: Their government disagrees, and speak through the mouths of millions of citizens who would probably die if they dared say otherwise Dec 29 23:12:46 i get no numbers with fn+qwertyuiop though Dec 29 23:12:57 but maparn.txt could do that Dec 29 23:12:57 Gadgetoid_iMac: I meant the US. Dec 29 23:13:08 pupnik_: hm.. I do. Do you get the rest of FN symbols? Dec 29 23:13:23 Shame that this whole "civilised" and "comfort" malarky has made us forgot how to start a freaking civil war Dec 29 23:13:40 SpeedEvil: The US is a superpower now? I thought it was just a big state in northern Mexico Dec 29 23:16:29 Gadgetoid_iMac: Not all of us have forgotten. Dec 29 23:16:39 Gadgetoid_iMac: you start a facebook group I think. Dec 29 23:16:48 SpeedEvil: Hahahahahaha Dec 29 23:16:54 You sum it up so perfectly Dec 29 23:17:21 Tangental divergence: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7289390.stm HAHAHAHA Dec 29 23:17:29 gay bitch slag! Dec 29 23:18:19 javispedro: no fn symbols here Dec 29 23:18:28 pupnik_: is fn mapped to backtick? Dec 29 23:18:36 i am launching the extras dosbox from the icon Dec 29 23:18:47 will reinstall to be sure Dec 29 23:18:47 can you delete/rename mapper.txt? Dec 29 23:18:50 isn't there any card game for the n900? Dec 29 23:18:51 ok Dec 29 23:18:54 found it Dec 29 23:19:01 damn, I dont know how to fix this Dec 29 23:19:07 I definately need a new back Dec 29 23:19:29 oh foolish me i did a bad in the conf Dec 29 23:20:27 simoneb_: what sort of card game? Dec 29 23:20:45 Gadgetoid_iMac: i was thinking about spiders Dec 29 23:21:06 javispedro: launched /usr/bin/dosbox with no mapper.txt loading Dec 29 23:21:29 lemme reinstall Dec 29 23:21:37 pupnik_: that, or the config file... :P Dec 29 23:21:53 cause i didnt see a backtick ever Dec 29 23:23:03 I'm sure I happened across some card games somewhere, maybe I imagined it Dec 29 23:23:19 anyone got any pointers to where i can see example of bringing up a "notification" like when theres a new message/e-mail? Dec 29 23:23:54 frals: when i got a new im, the top right icon turns bright Dec 29 23:24:15 yeah, was thinking of sample code to produce a similar effect myself :) Dec 29 23:24:21 TomaszD, ugh. Dec 29 23:24:26 frals: i got you wrong, sorry :P Dec 29 23:24:28 frals: unplug battery charger Dec 29 23:24:32 frals: oh Dec 29 23:24:33 TomaszD, that thread. . . . Dec 29 23:24:48 frals the 'gps recorder' applet uses them Dec 29 23:24:48 yeah Dec 29 23:24:50 ah i found the error javispedro -- usescancodes needs to be true for your symbol-swapper to work Dec 29 23:24:57 I just put him on the ignore list Dec 29 23:25:03 wasting my time Dec 29 23:25:05 SpeedEvil: cheers, ill have a look there :) Dec 29 23:25:20 pupnik_: you mentioned that without usescancodes the fn key isn't mapped anywhere, so .. :) Dec 29 23:25:31 i know, i frogrot Dec 29 23:25:49 btw in a lot of builds for dosbox, i get junk in the text screens Dec 29 23:26:34 javispedro: i owe you Dec 29 23:26:35 thanks Dec 29 23:26:41 all work Dec 29 23:26:57 junk? weird Dec 29 23:27:07 except for symbols that were never in DOS :) Dec 29 23:27:46 yes, type _______ and you might get _ __ Dec 29 23:27:47 they are in the "new" 858 cp Dec 29 23:28:27 * pupnik_ cues the sounds of heavenly choirs and monty python god looking down Dec 29 23:28:40 brb other ppl chattin me Dec 29 23:28:57 Im off to radioshack to buy some magnetic tape, I think I can make this work Dec 29 23:31:57 wow Dec 29 23:31:59 fixed it Dec 29 23:32:10 took a small magnet from a magnetic pouch Dec 29 23:32:14 put it next to that spot Dec 29 23:32:16 its pretty weak Dec 29 23:32:22 but it registers Dec 29 23:33:36 shinkamui: for what? Dec 29 23:33:48 looks like my back cover is missing its magnet Dec 29 23:33:53 so my mmc would never read Dec 29 23:33:54 ah Dec 29 23:33:58 took a while to figure it out Dec 29 23:33:59 odd Dec 29 23:34:01 but it works Dec 29 23:34:09 i gotta test that now Dec 29 23:34:17 I just hope there isn't anything that could be damaged by having a magnet in there that too strong Dec 29 23:34:23 this magnet is pretty weak, but you never know Dec 29 23:34:33 the last time i played with a magnet, i wasted my credit card Dec 29 23:34:40 im gonna take some pics and post it on the forum for anyone else who gets into this mess Dec 29 23:34:56 SpeedEvil could you take a pic of your N900's back cover inside for me Dec 29 23:34:59 but it was a neodimium magnet Dec 29 23:35:02 shinkamui: you can get replacement covers for 14 euro I think Dec 29 23:35:04 I really want to see what its SUPPOSED to look like Dec 29 23:35:11 wow you are right Dec 29 23:35:17 SpeedEvil Im gonna see if nokia will replace it Dec 29 23:35:21 this phone is only a day old Dec 29 23:35:23 probably more sane Dec 29 23:35:44 but I was flipping out, thinking either I had 3 defective microSDHC cards, or sandisks just didn't work Dec 29 23:40:06 :) Dec 29 23:40:22 Remember to put in a claim for emotional distress. Dec 29 23:42:13 hi Dec 29 23:42:26 is aisleriot solitaire available for the n900? Dec 29 23:42:31 could somebody help me please? i got a problem with the connection manager Dec 29 23:42:41 cool Dec 29 23:42:45 it had an interesting side effect Dec 29 23:42:53 opening the slide on the camera always registered in the syslog Dec 29 23:42:59 but now it launches the camera like it was supposed to :) Dec 29 23:43:02 how odd. Dec 29 23:43:15 heh Dec 29 23:43:28 pingpong: shoot Dec 29 23:43:35 there is nothing in the n900 that a magnet could affect Dec 29 23:43:50 I want to access the internet through the usb port but the connection manager somehow don't mind about that... Dec 29 23:44:19 internet is working so far but when I open an application the network manager pops up Dec 29 23:44:27 found this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37710 Dec 29 23:44:32 but it didn't work Dec 29 23:45:28 Is that dummy device available for the n900? Because a lot of information about that seems to be a little bit outdated Dec 29 23:46:22 Proteous thats good news Dec 29 23:46:38 though I was simply making an observatio Dec 29 23:46:39 n Dec 29 23:46:49 might have more to do with the fact that a memory card is now showing as present Dec 29 23:47:00 though, I've only been exposed to the device for a paltry 5 hours Dec 29 23:47:01 :) Dec 29 23:47:28 I seem to be having cpu spikes now too, probably again unrelated, but it doesn't hurt to reboot at this point Dec 29 23:47:33 bbiab, gonna run to the shack Dec 29 23:47:55 GAN900, finally uploaded my BCN photos :) Dec 29 23:49:18 question, does the N900 index files on the SDHC card Dec 29 23:50:25 ifreq: ok the dummy device is working now... forgot to reboot -.- maybe I'm not used to rebooting a linux system Dec 29 23:56:02 yay, I just got the N810 Dec 29 23:56:09 now, I gotta flash it or whatever Dec 30 00:01:55 watching amadeus Dec 30 00:01:59 pretty funny movie Dec 30 00:02:08 heh Dec 30 00:02:40 * Gadgetoid_iMac gets a bonus for Extras Assistant Dec 30 00:02:52 * cehteh making progress, buiding his n900 case :) Dec 30 00:03:53 taking long enough Dec 30 00:04:40 though the 900 is realy gonna get me to get new glasses procastinating that for a year Dec 30 00:06:36 Remember to ask your optician for glasses with a 10cm working distance :) Dec 30 00:06:50 For that n900 theater experience. Dec 30 00:07:23 i hunger for a better app switcher/launcher Dec 30 00:07:27 i have a tweaked handbrake profile if someone wants to convert PAL DVD to n900 optimized format Dec 30 00:07:48 i'd rather have the raw ffmpeg command line Dec 30 00:07:58 nite all, sweet dreams Dec 30 00:08:15 Gadgetoid: I want a full-screen xstroke recogniser for app-launch Dec 30 00:08:17 n900 optimised eh pupnik... nice! got a linky? Dec 30 00:08:25 Gadgetoid: yeah some things could be improved Dec 30 00:08:38 Gadgetoid: enter 'p' and you get porn Dec 30 00:08:41 Err Dec 30 00:09:00 Or s and you get settings Dec 30 00:09:01 I bought district 9 on blu ray, might have to get the dvd to rip it Dec 30 00:09:55 i wish i knew what they were thinking when they settled for 'long arbitrarily sorted list' for app management Dec 30 00:11:27 hmmm... what IS that dialogue that keeps flashing up Dec 30 00:18:01 gles + accelerometer demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw Dec 30 00:19:02 very pretty :) Dec 30 00:20:05 ali1234: haha, rad. Which package is it though?? Dec 30 00:20:18 dicejinni perhaps Dec 30 00:20:20 shakeandroll Dec 30 00:20:25 but you have to add my repo Dec 30 00:20:41 ah Dec 30 00:20:44 very cool Dec 30 00:20:46 what's your repo? Dec 30 00:21:01 http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/fremantle Dec 30 00:21:05 leave everything else blank Dec 30 00:21:40 i think you can apt-get source too, dunno if i set it up right Dec 30 00:21:50 ali1234, nice, pure gles or did you embedded with inside Qt/clutter ? Dec 30 00:21:56 pure gles Dec 30 00:22:03 ali1234, looks great Dec 30 00:22:07 it's cobbled together from examples Dec 30 00:22:25 ali1234, how many lines, only the dices code ? Dec 30 00:22:37 just for curiosity :P Dec 30 00:22:40 about 12, because it uses ode Dec 30 00:22:43 ali1234: is that going into testing? Dec 30 00:23:03 when i get round to it Dec 30 00:23:11 ali1234, only 12 , o_0 Dec 30 00:23:51 i should put libode into devel at least i guess Dec 30 00:24:09 but...... horrible packaging problems and all that Dec 30 00:24:10 whats ode? Dec 30 00:24:14 was that stuff sorted yet? Dec 30 00:24:22 ode = open dynamics engine, a physic engine Dec 30 00:24:25 ali1234: actually "deb http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ maemo fremantle" doesn't work. You got a line i can add to sources.list? Dec 30 00:24:28 awesome dice demo Dec 30 00:24:42 jebba: add it in app man Dec 30 00:24:45 can you set number of dice? Dec 30 00:24:51 nope, hardcoded Dec 30 00:24:57 but change one #define and you can Dec 30 00:25:05 with 6 dice you have a german drinking game Dec 30 00:25:12 lol Dec 30 00:25:24 my brother said i should make it 6 instead of 10, i guess that's why Dec 30 00:25:41 ali1234, what is the problem with the devel repo ? Dec 30 00:25:47 ali1234: in appman it is still going to ask me some Qs that are the same as my Q above (e.g. app man doesnt just ask for a single URL), Can you just cat your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and paste the line here plz? Dec 30 00:25:55 cool Dec 30 00:25:57 anyway Dec 30 00:26:00 VDVsx: you can't push library updates because they have no user/ section Dec 30 00:26:00 what happens when I run out of space on / Dec 30 00:26:04 I'd suggest an option to change the number and/or color of the dice Dec 30 00:26:13 I've been installing packages and got only 16mb left on root Dec 30 00:26:14 jebba: blank everything except URL Dec 30 00:26:35 seems quite confided to me .. Dec 30 00:26:35 is this optified? Dec 30 00:26:36 Also support d2, d4, d6, d8, ... Dec 30 00:26:48 ali1234, make you app depend in the new lib and it will be pushed Dec 30 00:26:49 dmj7261: yeah i was trying to implement that but changing the colour of the dice is surprisingly difficult with GLES Dec 30 00:27:16 VDVsx: = i have to release a new version of every app that depends on libode, to push a new version of libode... but this has been gone over 100 times already :) Dec 30 00:27:26 i must not mention dungeons & dragons... Dec 30 00:27:33 ali1234, only one app Dec 30 00:27:48 VDVsx: no, every app, because everyone might have only 1 app installed Dec 30 00:27:49 exactly. the app using the feature. Dec 30 00:28:01 "new" feature. Dec 30 00:28:03 or that was the idea. Dec 30 00:28:14 exactly^ Dec 30 00:28:21 what if "new" feature = not having a huge security bug? Dec 30 00:28:24 ohnoes! Dec 30 00:28:29 security bugs in a 3d rendering library! Dec 30 00:28:33 * SpeedEvil rolls a d20. Dec 30 00:28:42 * SpeedEvil must also not mention dungeons and dragons. Dec 30 00:28:42 anyway, i was going to do different shaped dice too Dec 30 00:28:55 however, this is also rather hard without a proper 3d engine Dec 30 00:28:57 well i don't want ali1234 changing libX11.so on me Dec 30 00:29:14 so that's why i started trying to use ogre3d Dec 30 00:29:26 ali1234, if you are waiting for a change in the lib thing, better get a nice and comfortable chair :) Dec 30 00:29:28 deb http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ fremantle user Dec 30 00:29:56 javispedro, you'd be surprised Dec 30 00:30:04 javispedro, http://download2.rapid7.com/r7-0025/ Dec 30 00:30:10 oh yeah, don't tap the screen or it crashes :) Dec 30 00:30:15 haah Dec 30 00:30:34 wolf^: please remind me that when webgl comes Dec 30 00:30:37 ali1234 uh why? Dec 30 00:30:38 ;) Dec 30 00:30:50 woglinde: because it doesn't handle xevents properly Dec 30 00:30:54 hi Dec 30 00:30:57 * LuciusMare has a problem Dec 30 00:31:03 kmplayer does not load subtitles Dec 30 00:31:18 kmplayer? Dec 30 00:31:20 wtf? Dec 30 00:31:31 its a gui to mplayer Dec 30 00:31:35 bloated kdelibs? Dec 30 00:32:04 i dont care Dec 30 00:32:12 if it runs, me = happy Dec 30 00:32:21 jebba: deb http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/fremantle / Dec 30 00:32:22 why mplayer? istn gstreamer enough? Dec 30 00:32:26 weeee! Dec 30 00:32:32 for god's sake Dec 30 00:32:36 no,it isnt Dec 30 00:32:42 because it cant read subtitles Dec 30 00:33:11 hm.. gstreamer can. Dec 30 00:33:20 mafw, on the other side... Dec 30 00:33:27 listen Dec 30 00:33:34 i dont want to argue about players Dec 30 00:33:39 i just want to solve my problem Dec 30 00:33:43 finally heh Dec 30 00:34:07 LuciusMare do you care about cpuload? Dec 30 00:34:41 oh yeah about that... this will load your cpu to the max and never sleep Dec 30 00:34:49 how is the filesystem performance on n900 devices? Dec 30 00:34:51 LuciusMare: well, if your problem is subtitles and someone says gstreamer can read subtitles.... Dec 30 00:35:01 lumi: very very fast, surprisingly Dec 30 00:35:10 well, not RAID10 SCSI, but fast for a handheld Dec 30 00:35:14 jebba: maybe gstreamer can Dec 30 00:35:16 but i dont know how Dec 30 00:35:26 kmplayer was supposed to load subtitles,it doesnt Dec 30 00:35:28 if it comes down to standardisation i would pick ext for a music device and reiser for pictures on a camera. Dec 30 00:35:40 I don't think MAFW can, and that's a problem. Dec 30 00:35:48 LuciusMare: does bare mplayer load them? Dec 30 00:35:51 have they done any benchmarks at all? Dec 30 00:35:52 well, then don't respond with things like "for god's sake no,it isnt i dont want to argue about players" etc... and people will be more willing to help you. duh. Dec 30 00:36:29 javispedro: i dont know either Dec 30 00:36:38 ali1234: WORKSFORME Dec 30 00:36:51 o,kay. Dec 30 00:36:53 tapping the screen to "close" the application is a feature, of course ;) Dec 30 00:37:04 whatever,just i want my subtitles and video paying Dec 30 00:37:07 LuciusMare: I'd think you'd better mix them with the video stream, the builtin video player helps with battery life. Dec 30 00:37:25 jebba: yeah i think that's actually true, since i copied most the EGL code from the powervr sdk Dec 30 00:37:33 javispedro: i have over there about 10 gigs of video. Dec 30 00:38:01 uhm how can i stop the sshd with runit or whatever init system the n900 uses Dec 30 00:38:01 well,the builtin videoplayer should have subtitles feature Dec 30 00:38:12 cehteh: "stop sshd" Dec 30 00:38:19 cehteh: and the init system is upstart Dec 30 00:38:32 thanks Dec 30 00:39:09 OMFG xulrunner latest mercurial i got to compile in scratchbox Dec 30 00:39:41 okay,so a more general question. Dec 30 00:39:50 how to play a video with external subtitles on fremantle? Dec 30 00:40:37 LuciusMare, i find it more thrilling to hire a real translation team and have them sat around the device translating in realtime Dec 30 00:41:02 expensive Dec 30 00:41:45 squidd, yeah i optimized the process and removed the orchestra, i thought they were overkill Dec 30 00:41:53 :D Dec 30 00:41:54 and getting them space on the train was a bit troublseom Dec 30 00:42:23 re lcuk Dec 30 00:42:25 ya Dec 30 00:42:36 hey woglinde Dec 30 00:42:43 LuciusMare: have you tried naming the subtitles file "name.str" if the video file is "name.avi"? Dec 30 00:42:51 s/name.str/name.srt Dec 30 00:42:59 yes Dec 30 00:43:05 it does not work. Dec 30 00:43:08 javispedro, does it work in default media player?> Dec 30 00:43:14 dunno. Dec 30 00:43:53 no,it doesnt Dec 30 00:47:09 ali1234: definitely my favorite accelerometer app :) Dec 30 00:47:15 thanks :) Dec 30 00:47:37 great showoff app Dec 30 00:47:52 would be better if it had nicer graphics Dec 30 00:47:57 ok my network access just started working in vmware sdk. Dec 30 00:48:07 i started implementing it, then i realised i was writing a 3d engine Dec 30 00:48:11 how i can get the os2008 hacker edition for n810 Dec 30 00:49:53 i wonder if i can use my n900 as a secondary monitor for my comp Dec 30 00:50:05 AakashPatel: you can use vnc on it Dec 30 00:50:10 * AakashPatel wants to run tweetdeck or something Dec 30 00:50:16 I don't think there is the appropriate gadget driver to do it Dec 30 00:50:23 ah Dec 30 00:50:26 in principle a gadget devicelink driver could be done. Dec 30 00:50:34 xdmx? Dec 30 00:50:46 Do I mean devicelink? Dec 30 00:50:50 http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ Dec 30 00:50:53 i can install another app diferent as maemo Dec 30 00:50:56 whe protocol used by usb monitors anyway. Dec 30 00:50:59 ali1234: i think graphics are definitely decent enough. Changing number of dice would be real nice though.. Dec 30 00:51:14 * microlith ponders why the mail client won't download messages from gmail Dec 30 00:51:20 jebba: as usual, iphone pwns me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPICxqLeZ-k Dec 30 00:52:19 although i think he's cheating and not using accelerometer input directly Dec 30 00:52:24 it just doesn't look right Dec 30 00:52:48 i just feed accelerometer data directly into the ODE world gravity param Dec 30 00:52:54 heh, ya, that's pretty rad... Dec 30 00:52:58 aaaaargggggggh http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle-20091116/source/mafw-gst-renderer/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c#1786 Dec 30 00:53:37 99 "magic number" which is actually a nasty mix of flag bits Dec 30 00:54:10 *looks at gst headers* which means play video, play audio, ignore subtitles, ignores audio visualizations. Dec 30 00:54:29 * javispedro sighs Dec 30 00:56:02 there we go Dec 30 00:56:27 if someone's in compiling mood, try editing that and see if it loads subtitles Dec 30 00:56:58 or ask for it to be added to the mafw-gst-eq-renderer Dec 30 00:57:54 javispedro: do the flags making-up "99" have enumerated types? Dec 30 00:58:07 pupnik: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-playbin2.html#GstPlayFlags Dec 30 00:58:32 i .. don't see the problem Dec 30 00:59:09 well there could be a comment there at least. Dec 30 01:00:14 ok :) yep Dec 30 01:01:05 does anyone use mafw-gst-eq-renderer? Dec 30 01:04:49 does anyone know if it's safe to change the hostname of my n900? Dec 30 01:05:19 bobbyd, ive changed mine Dec 30 01:05:32 and did it explode? :) Dec 30 01:05:36 lcuk: how'd you make the change persistent? Dec 30 01:05:40 no its quite happy Dec 30 01:05:47 ok ta Dec 30 01:05:51 microlith, its not? Dec 30 01:05:54 just a mo then Dec 30 01:05:57 no, mine reverts Dec 30 01:05:59 cos i just booted it again Dec 30 01:06:12 microlith: did you edit /etc/hostname? Dec 30 01:06:20 I used the hostname command and that Dec 30 01:06:23 microlith, good point lol Dec 30 01:06:29 me too this morning Dec 30 01:06:31 lol Dec 30 01:06:39 ok scratch that Dec 30 01:06:44 yeah Dec 30 01:06:46 its happy to change, but it doesnt stick Dec 30 01:07:04 bah! its a good job i didnt change all my build scripts Dec 30 01:07:10 on diablo /etc/hostname worked Dec 30 01:07:18 * lcuk tries it Dec 30 01:09:23 pupnik: btw, i've uploaded my modified sources of the freedos keyb layout compiler (so that they can run under gnu instead of dos): http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/kc.tar.gz Dec 30 01:09:25 changed and rebooting now Dec 30 01:09:50 this makes it more easier to customize layouts for international users Dec 30 01:09:59 (for dosbox of course hehe) Dec 30 01:10:03 cool Dec 30 01:11:02 /etc/hostname stuck through a "reboot" Dec 30 01:11:21 thanks javispedro, microlith theres your answer too, and bobby its alive Dec 30 01:11:33 hm Dec 30 01:11:37 will do that then Dec 30 01:13:45 Apple: I summon... Multitouchscreen patent level three! Multitouchscreen patent level three does 50 damage! Dec 30 01:14:15 multitouch is probably the reason for this whole thing Dec 30 01:14:40 actually if the list of patents is to be believed it has more to do with "serial i/o" Dec 30 01:15:07 patents flowing from technologys should not be patentable. Dec 30 01:15:19 qtify (despotify gui) available in extras-devel, extremely alpha-pre-release thouhg.. and only in swedish ;P Dec 30 01:15:20 so you invvent and patent a wall Dec 30 01:15:27 for n900 Dec 30 01:15:45 what i mean is this is a pre-emptive move because nokia wants to use multitouch without getting sued Dec 30 01:16:08 all other obvios patents should not get granted. "application of pigment in biknder to wall" Dec 30 01:16:16 probably. most of them look equaly dull to me (save for a few) Dec 30 01:16:38 the innovation is multitouch Dec 30 01:16:47 innovation innovation... Dec 30 01:17:05 using it in obvious ways should not be patentable Dec 30 01:18:58 on another topic. Dec 30 01:19:08 fbreader++ Dec 30 01:19:28 javispedro: are you scaling the video output of dosbox? Dec 30 01:19:33 wow amadeus was a crappy movie :) Dec 30 01:19:41 i guess you have to be a music major or something Dec 30 01:19:46 bobbyd: that comes unchanged frm upstream. by default it does not iirc. Dec 30 01:20:03 ok Dec 30 01:20:35 I'm just trying to work out the best way to do that for arcem (which I'm very slowly porting) Dec 30 01:20:37 i'm watching dr strangelove Dec 30 01:21:48 bobbyd: does that use sdl? Dec 30 01:22:16 no, it's X, but it would be easy to write the video data to anything Dec 30 01:22:44 I was wondering if using ogles, rendering to a texture and then scaling that would be a decent way Dec 30 01:22:55 well Dec 30 01:22:59 everything worked out quite well Dec 30 01:23:04 does SDL have hardware accelerated scaling? Dec 30 01:23:08 it will be faster to do in software for 2x, 4x, common ratios Dec 30 01:23:14 (have / implement) Dec 30 01:23:15 sent support at nokiausa an email about needing a replacement back Dec 30 01:23:21 and I have my memory card working great Dec 30 01:23:27 with the magnet in the mean time Dec 30 01:23:30 bobbyd: i am trying to experiment with that. for now, try to render the stuff you want scaled into a different x window Dec 30 01:24:46 javispedro: you mean just scale it myself in software? or is there some feature of X that will scale my output? Dec 30 01:24:57 the h-d compositor will have support in pr 1.1 to composite certain windows "differently" Dec 30 01:25:07 scaling them, for example. Dec 30 01:25:12 hmm Dec 30 01:25:16 that's interesting Dec 30 01:25:27 which shouldn't kill performance since they're being uploaded to the pvr already Dec 30 01:25:46 however I wonder if having the data in a texture would give me more flexibility, for zooming etc. Dec 30 01:25:54 I mean using ogles Dec 30 01:26:34 uhm .. again, my n900 got quite warm, xinput-sounds at 100% cpu Dec 30 01:26:40 it probably will, but the end result is the texture being uploaded twice to the pvr, unless you're in fullscreen and non-composited Dec 30 01:27:01 i still don't know if there will be a way to choose between linear / nearest scaling methods in h-d Dec 30 01:27:14 but you'll be able to do all kinds of scaling with it Dec 30 01:28:05 bobbyd: though feel free to try and report, of course :) Dec 30 01:28:53 ok :) Dec 30 01:41:51 javispedro, did the rgb vs mode make it into this version Dec 30 01:41:58 xv Dec 30 01:47:38 cehteh: if you break/kill/disable pulseaudio, xinput-sounds can run up cpu when it can't output. perhaps that is triggered by a variety of things Dec 30 02:04:44 pupnik: i didnt do anything actively .. was listening to webradio but since some time Dec 30 02:04:53 i just rebooted Dec 30 02:05:14 if anyone cares Dec 30 02:05:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38739 Dec 30 02:05:28 the whole SDHC card issue resolved from beginning to end Dec 30 02:05:34 with a good pic Dec 30 02:05:40 hope it helps someone else in the future Dec 30 02:05:48 playing with emacs .. that should hardly infere with the sound system Dec 30 02:06:11 unless emacs is cpu or ram heavy Dec 30 02:06:22 is there a cron daemon available? Dec 30 02:07:20 thanksk shinkamui and good work Dec 30 02:07:39 shinkamui: actually the camera has a ir reflex sensor, not magent Dec 30 02:07:41 aw.. alarmd.. Dec 30 02:08:02 man pupnik, I was really worried I was going to have to send this thing back and wait another week for a replacement :) Dec 30 02:08:54 cehteh really? how does that work? Dec 30 02:08:55 shinkamui: guess why there is a black and white stripe on the lens cover Dec 30 02:09:05 oooh Dec 30 02:09:06 I see Dec 30 02:09:31 does that mean the sensor is always active/ Dec 30 02:09:32 ? Dec 30 02:09:52 prolly yes, but these things dont need much power Dec 30 02:10:22 always means it sends a short dim ir light flash every some milliseconds Dec 30 02:11:15 i wish they'd use same arrangement for kb slider Dec 30 02:11:47 i suspect all this magnets where the final dent in no compass on the gps Dec 30 02:11:54 cos it's really annoying when case magnet triggers the screen to flip around when you're trying to answer a call Dec 30 02:11:57 naah Dec 30 02:12:31 until recently compass woul add $30 or so to price Dec 30 02:12:45 actually i don't know if that happens on n900, but it sure was annoying on my old winmo phone Dec 30 02:16:22 n900evil: look at the price spans you can get the device anywhere between 480Eur to 630Eur or so, i think a 20Eur part wouldnt mean a big difference on retail prices, these are somewhat independent of plain materials price Dec 30 02:16:45 there are also space constraints Dec 30 02:16:57 and it it turns out that a compass would make it 15Eur more expensive but no one noticed because its just there then it would be fine Dec 30 02:17:10 pupnik: nah .. compas chips are very small Dec 30 02:17:15 yeah but if they put all the gizmos everyone wanted in, it would be a lot more than €20 Dec 30 02:17:37 i wouldn't judge what can be packed into such a device unless i were an engineer involved in it Dec 30 02:17:52 barometric sensor takes some space for example .. or xenon flash (charge cap) Dec 30 02:18:29 pupnik: well i am user in this sense and i know more what *I* would like than a engineer Dec 30 02:18:50 cehteh: you want the moon on a stick Dec 30 02:19:33 nah, compass is not that uncommon .. iphone has one, and many other devices too (dunno about the droids) Dec 30 02:20:00 i've just been involved in a lot of things where "this would be cool to add" doesn't cut it for any number of reasons... compass would certainly be nice to have. Dec 30 02:20:34 yeah i seen a lot arguments about other things .. and first i thought i dont need the stylus for example Dec 30 02:20:46 but it turns out that the stylus is quite useful Dec 30 02:20:55 even if it takes quite a lot space Dec 30 02:22:24 on the other side .. why dont drop the proximity and light sensor and use the front cam to sample light/proximity (dunno if it works well for the later, but hey we have a dsp, there is certainly some nice algo for that) Dec 30 02:23:01 you cannot do augmented reality things without compass Dec 30 02:23:17 well at least not easily Dec 30 02:23:20 but, otoh, you cannot do augmented reality *with* a compass either Dec 30 02:23:57 ali1234, orly? there is at least 2 projects for android and they are alive and kicking. Dec 30 02:24:02 wouldn't you need the compass in the head tracker, not the phone/computer Dec 30 02:24:05 and they actually work? Dec 30 02:24:07 and we missed this boat Dec 30 02:24:08 Arkenoi, you dont need a compass to have fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Dec 30 02:24:08 yes Dec 30 02:24:18 well it doesnt need to be freaking augmented reality .. just sense of direction would be nice Dec 30 02:24:33 cehteh, direction? look at my video Dec 30 02:24:37 i know whats up and whats down Dec 30 02:25:03 !!! Dec 30 02:25:09 pupnik: http://www.imgtec.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=475 Dec 30 02:25:29 that extension is present even on N810 Dec 30 02:25:52 ty Dec 30 02:26:32 lcuk: accelerometer only finds the direction down to the center of gravity (well pluss movement ) Dec 30 02:26:40 nice find Dec 30 02:26:50 yeah Dec 30 02:27:11 well and i somehow wait for more 'useful' apps .. looks like playthings are easier to do Dec 30 02:27:34 a share things for scp was suggested, upload pics to your own server Dec 30 02:27:37 cehteh, you get to know how things flow by playing with them Dec 30 02:27:58 * lcuk nods Dec 30 02:28:00 search fuctionality within certain databases on the device Dec 30 02:28:08 * lcuk nods again Dec 30 02:28:58 cehteh Im a little late to the party here, but a compass is mostly not that useful on the phone, though it would have been a nice addition for use with augmented reality apps Dec 30 02:29:06 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=15912  lftp Dec 30 02:29:21 though the N900 definately has the power to utilize an AR glyph system Dec 30 02:29:25 didnt most augmented apps start with just a webcam tracking things Dec 30 02:29:30 yea Dec 30 02:29:43 so why is a compass an essential now? Dec 30 02:29:45 tracking glyphs, and orienting something to its location Dec 30 02:29:50 lcuk Dec 30 02:29:51 but the DSP is not open or? Dec 30 02:29:55 thats like saying you cant do 3d without a powervr ;) Dec 30 02:30:00 think of an AR system that works based on your location Dec 30 02:30:07 like, nearest restaurants Dec 30 02:30:09 The DSP is open, to some degree. Dec 30 02:30:14 you dont want to track things on the CPU, thats really costly and can be easily done on the DSP Dec 30 02:30:39 easily? Dec 30 02:31:19 well better ... there are algos for that unless you want to do really fancy things its not too complicated Dec 30 02:31:33 damn flicker! Dec 30 02:31:58 shinkamui, so why is a compass needed Dec 30 02:32:26 so that you can draw a wobbly arrow over a picture of what's in front of you, to show you where the restaurant is Dec 30 02:32:35 because it makes a lot things much easier Dec 30 02:32:53 because that's somehow better than a map Dec 30 02:32:58 for example gps and compass can assist each other for calibration Dec 30 02:33:07 lcuk Dec 30 02:33:13 turn around in a circle without moving Dec 30 02:33:17 and see if the gps can track where you face Dec 30 02:33:26 gps doesnt track me anyway Dec 30 02:33:28 its hardly augmented reality, if the display can't update with your face Dec 30 02:33:43 you need both a gps and a compass for that kind of hud AR Dec 30 02:33:45 im lucky if gps has me in the same place i am Dec 30 02:34:01 and not translocated on some building or country Dec 30 02:34:04 glyph style AR doesn't need either Dec 30 02:34:14 but is infinitely less interesting and infinitely less useful Dec 30 02:34:57 ok, so aliens style radar displays need compasses Dec 30 02:35:20 im currently sitting 1 chicago city block east of where i actualy am :) Dec 30 02:35:38 theres a honeywell i2c interface component available, and inside the n900 theres a blanking plate whos utility isnt known at this point Dec 30 02:35:46 DangerMaus: no gps signal but located by cell tower Dec 30 02:35:47 we tried looking earlier today Dec 30 02:35:53 to find a nice i2c slot Dec 30 02:36:04 i might sacrifice ome other component for it if now Dec 30 02:36:13 heh prob cehteh didnt think bout that Dec 30 02:36:17 no need Dec 30 02:36:22 i2c is a BUS Dec 30 02:36:33 just tap in anywhere with wires Dec 30 02:36:36 ok so its just finding hotpoints for it? Dec 30 02:36:37 ok Dec 30 02:36:42 lcuk: well again where this started, the device has a lot buildin magnets .. i am not sure a compass can compensate those Dec 30 02:36:55 worth a try :) Dec 30 02:37:02 do it :) Dec 30 02:37:05 theres a decent thread on tmo about it Dec 30 02:37:14 duct tape a bluetooth gps + compass to phone Dec 30 02:37:18 yeah theres a few people talking it up Dec 30 02:37:23 and we looked a bit today Dec 30 02:37:31 ali1234, ineligent Dec 30 02:37:39 its the sort of mod crave1 should be doing Dec 30 02:37:40 so? Dec 30 02:37:44 craves1 Dec 30 02:38:49 i still think AR is a pointless gimmick anyway Dec 30 02:38:58 maybe there's a use for compass, but AR is not it Dec 30 02:38:59 you can have fun with it Dec 30 02:39:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b64_16K2e08 <- you cannot do such things without a compass Dec 30 02:39:10 will make lasertag useful at very least Dec 30 02:39:33 Arkenoi: that demo is clearly rigged Dec 30 02:40:06 and besides, i don't care if i can't do that, cos i don't want to do that Dec 30 02:40:19 a map displays the same information in a muchmore efficient way Dec 30 02:40:27 words first augmented reality waste of time. Dec 30 02:40:39 nahhh javispedro Dec 30 02:40:42 theres many more Dec 30 02:40:47 I had layars on my iphone Dec 30 02:40:48 * lcuk sleeps anyway Dec 30 02:40:48 it wasn't very good Dec 30 02:40:57 but I've seen some excellent AR demos from nvidia Dec 30 02:40:59 i think augmented reality on say a car might not be bad Dec 30 02:41:07 also Dec 30 02:41:08 the tech is cool, but its not "consumable" yet Dec 30 02:41:14 when the earth's magnetic field finally collapses Dec 30 02:41:17 yes, car AR would be awesome Dec 30 02:41:18 I will be the first to laugh Dec 30 02:41:30 ( ;) ) Dec 30 02:41:38 hmm you do have a point there, on a car it might not totally suck Dec 30 02:42:18 walking around with your phone held in front of you just makes you look like an idiot/gets your phone nicked Dec 30 02:42:21 some very high end luxury cars have some AR already Dec 30 02:42:49 it is cool and there should be working framework to make it "consumable". if you do not have a working, yet not very usable, prototype framework, it is very hard to intoroduce one, it slows down all inventions Dec 30 02:42:53 Mercedes SL class has object detection overlayed on the glass Dec 30 02:43:15 btw are there usb(host, to plugin on a standalone GPS for example) to bluetooth adapters Dec 30 02:43:15 I was followed once and filmed the persons with N900. They quickly left. Dec 30 02:43:42 not the opposite, the dongles you put into your laptops usb socket Dec 30 02:43:51 shinkamui, is there a video demo on the net? i'd like to see how the thing works Dec 30 02:44:06 cehteh: that would be device not host Dec 30 02:44:11 .me usualy runs with a stand alone bluetoooth antenna Dec 30 02:44:12 i looked a long time for wireles usb convertors. seems the usb spec does not like the latencies introduced Dec 30 02:44:12 pupnik: maybe they weren't following you and just got scared :S Dec 30 02:44:16 well the adapter acts as host then Dec 30 02:44:40 ive seen a few but it's really not a good match Dec 30 02:44:59 all ive found are expensive, problematic ones Dec 30 02:45:01 cehteh: there are bluetooth-serial adapters, and all standalone gps have some kind of serial port (not usb) Dec 30 02:45:18 i gather you want to connect something like a keyboard without buying a bluetooth version Dec 30 02:45:21 i have a gps with serial and a gps with usb Dec 30 02:45:48 i would like a MIDI keyboard connected somehow to N900 Dec 30 02:45:54 cehteh: it might possibly work for HID and serial but thats it Dec 30 02:46:03 Arkenoi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cix3Ws2sOsU Dec 30 02:46:08 nvidias AR demo Dec 30 02:46:11 pupnik: n900 has serial behind the battery, should be doable Dec 30 02:46:12 glyph style Dec 30 02:46:13 bluetooth hid i unsderstand to be based on USB HID Dec 30 02:46:59 pupnik: i once added a serial port to my apple newton, fits like a charm, looks like factory made :) Dec 30 02:47:25 nice Dec 30 02:47:46 i recall seeing some actual ARquake Dec 30 02:48:02 one could prolly add a very tiny connector through the wristband hole .. Dec 30 02:48:06 http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/ Dec 30 02:48:18 i would go for bluetooth-serial adapter again Dec 30 02:48:26 just make sure to get one that does none standard baud rates Dec 30 02:48:42 you can probably get bluetooth-midi anyway Dec 30 02:49:18 http://xmidi.com/bluetooth.html Dec 30 02:49:22 well and make a charge stand for the n900 would be nice, but without disassemling it there are no power pins reachable Dec 30 02:49:25 amazingly... not Dec 30 02:49:32 shinkamui, i was asking about that mercedes thing. AR shooter game for cameraphone was first introduced for old s60 i think circa 2002, it worked on Nokia 7650 Dec 30 02:49:46 no chance Dec 30 02:49:55 that thing they're using has a Geforce 7 class in it Dec 30 02:49:56 better than breaking the micro usb out :/ Dec 30 02:49:58 custom design Dec 30 02:50:03 oh that reminds me Dec 30 02:50:05 I don't have a demo of the mercedes Dec 30 02:50:11 My brother has an SL 500 Dec 30 02:50:13 what's this usb host mode package i see? Dec 30 02:50:14 thats how I know about it Dec 30 02:50:16 bogus? Dec 30 02:50:19 I need help. Someone reported a bug for my application but I cannot reproduce it on the emulator. Anyone have some time and a N900? Dec 30 02:50:38 which application? Dec 30 02:50:45 Details of the bug can be found here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/tomotko/0.11.2-9/ Dec 30 02:50:48 pupnik: that letter is retarded, midi is just rs232 with a none standard baud rate, bluetooth can already handle that... it just needs someone to actually build it Dec 30 02:51:17 maybe i should build it, if it's really so in demand Dec 30 02:51:40 how would you pair it? Dec 30 02:52:50 "This paper describes a preliminary work carried on to assess the use of Bluetooth technology to transport MIDI data streams." http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=1612507 Dec 30 02:52:53 http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=1612507 <- suggests bluetooth timing isn't good enough Dec 30 02:53:01 snap Dec 30 02:53:05 hah Dec 30 02:53:39 packages usbcontrol Dec 30 02:53:58 'enables usb host port to use eg mem sticks, keyboards and mice' Dec 30 02:53:58 that was exact timing here ali1234 Dec 30 02:58:05 iirc midi has same signal levels as rs232... so here's an option Dec 30 02:58:14 http://www.roalan.com/Bluetooth%20Wireless%20Serial%20RS232%20Converter.htm Dec 30 02:59:13 http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/serial/index.html midi-to-serial DIY interface **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 30 02:59:57 2009