**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 02 02:59:57 2010 Jan 02 03:01:08 never been an issue for me Jan 02 03:01:25 only unexpected reboots have been due to user error Jan 02 03:04:59 maybe i send this device back, i have another one ordered Jan 02 03:05:29 i wanted to cancel the other order, but well the newer one will likely be a better hardware revision Jan 02 03:31:41 joo vaan matkaan. palataan huomenna ellet ole keissä Jan 02 03:31:51 ups sorry Jan 02 03:46:37 cehteh: I hope you end up with a non-borked device. Jan 02 03:46:55 dmj7261: well yes i maybe just send it back Jan 02 03:47:18 its from this amazon warehouse deals .. but they have still a 30 day return warranty Jan 02 03:47:27 I'm happy that mine isn't having such troubles. Jan 02 03:47:50 i thought it stopped after reflashing, but seems to return Jan 02 03:48:12 I think a lot of these troubles have some hardware aspect to them. Jan 02 03:48:32 well i can send it back and wait a little more for a new device, first i only wanted one for review and to take a mold for my case project Jan 02 03:48:47 Just my guess though. Jan 02 03:48:52 yeah i have some doubts that a software fix will be very good Jan 02 03:49:18 Yeah, I really like mine despite all the complaining I do about aspects that I dislike. Jan 02 03:49:26 i expect there will be something alike "if hardware revision < xxx then disable feature bar" Jan 02 03:49:50 like currently there is a workaround proposed by some people to disable some power management Jan 02 03:50:10 if nokia slips that silently in for first batch devices to make them stable that would be sad Jan 02 03:50:11 Strangely enough, my mom liked mine so much she got herself one. Jan 02 03:50:18 hehe Jan 02 03:50:28 you seen my case? Jan 02 03:50:32 No Jan 02 03:50:34 Link? Jan 02 03:50:53 http://lumiera.org/n900_case1.jpg Jan 02 03:51:03 and until case4.jpg Jan 02 03:51:32 that was just a try, next days i build a better one from the things i learned from the first attempt Jan 02 03:51:43 That does look nice Jan 02 03:51:57 I'm currently thinking of making a case. Jan 02 03:52:26 i have the molds for vacuforming the shells now :) Jan 02 03:52:34 I take it you don't use the hardware keyboard much? Jan 02 03:53:11 oh well i have no idea how to build a shell which is rugged and provides access to the keyboard .. but i just take it out when i need the keyboard Jan 02 03:53:37 i wanted access to the sockets and loudspeakers .. so you cant get all Jan 02 03:53:52 I have seen some on ebay that do. Jan 02 03:54:06 well i doubt their ruggedness Jan 02 03:54:20 That's true. I haven't used them personally. Jan 02 03:54:55 i have no doubts that mine will now endure even bad crashes Jan 02 03:55:19 While I'm looking around at cases, I've just been storing it in a garmin gps case and removing it when I want to use it. Jan 02 03:55:43 I have a crappy clear case from ebay Jan 02 03:55:54 which mostly works after some sandpapering Jan 02 03:56:41 two parts which clip onto the phone Jan 02 03:57:01 i want to make another watertight clear case around the current one.. with bikemount Jan 02 03:57:45 Pity you can't boost the brightnes of the LEDs Jan 02 03:58:07 to make it easily sunlight readable that is Jan 02 03:58:13 which ones? display? flash? Jan 02 03:58:18 ah Jan 02 03:58:30 for sunlight readable i rather want a black on white theme Jan 02 03:58:31 flash LEDs as bike light - lol. Jan 02 03:58:45 Doesn't work so well. Jan 02 03:59:12 you tried it? Jan 02 03:59:18 well its a transreflexible display .. but you need a lot bright/white dots to let light in Jan 02 03:59:33 Ot's not useless - but when you're not hand-holding it, it is somewhat debatable. Jan 02 03:59:49 yep, b/w theme would be nice, i had one on s60 Jan 02 04:00:01 You need a mounting bracket for attaching n900s to bikes Jan 02 04:00:02 open a (white) xterm and turn brightness down, cover the brightness sensor and shine with a bright lamp on it Jan 02 04:00:18 thats reasonable readable then (not great, but better than the black theme) Jan 02 04:01:16 no need Jan 02 04:01:33 look for the *brightness node in /sys and eco 0 to it to turn off Jan 02 04:01:54 or that Jan 02 04:02:16 well having it completely turned off and readable would be noce Jan 02 04:04:21 What would be a great idea is a back comer that allows you to mount regular camera lenses. Jan 02 04:05:46 cat /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/cabc_available_modes Jan 02 04:05:46 off ui still-image moving-image Jan 02 04:05:47 mhm Jan 02 04:05:58 dmj7261: lol Jan 02 04:06:01 nice find Jan 02 04:07:48 interesting Jan 02 04:07:57 wonder if that is what the 'power saving mode' option on the display is? Jan 02 04:08:55 Are there any existing projects going on to port android ot the n900? Jan 02 04:09:01 good evening Jan 02 04:10:19 AakashPatel: why would you want to do that? android seems inferior other than the head start in apps Jan 02 04:10:40 (half of which are just to make up for a limited web browsing experience) Jan 02 04:10:49 greenfly: idk, just seem like it would be cool Jan 02 04:10:56 (and yea the apps thing also) Jan 02 04:12:10 anyone know how to get the good old normal terminal ftp utily on the n900? all i see in the repositories are gui ftp clients Jan 02 04:14:20 never tried android... limited web browsing? does it not use chrome?! Jan 02 04:15:05 I think by limited web browsing he means not blessed by adobe to support their unholy POS of a web plugin Jan 02 04:16:55 so i'm not the only one that thinks flash should burn in hell... nice :) Jan 02 04:18:47 http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html .. nice page Jan 02 04:18:50 bah, no one's responding on maemo-devel. is there a package to get gcc on the n900? Jan 02 04:18:59 svanheulen i compiled lftp and put it on tmo Jan 02 04:19:14 svanheulen: apt-get install gcc ... extras-devel repositroy Jan 02 04:19:50 oh not, only on scratchbox? Jan 02 04:19:52 lol wut... i tried that, said gcc didn't exsist Jan 02 04:20:13 it doesnt use chrome Jan 02 04:20:14 well compile gcc then and make a package :P Jan 02 04:20:19 its WebKit based Jan 02 04:20:24 (android browser0 Jan 02 04:20:26 cehteh, scratchbox only, sou you should probably optify it before installing Jan 02 04:20:28 but why do you want that? .. fry your cpu? Jan 02 04:20:34 yeah Jan 02 04:20:50 what do you guys mean when you say "optify" Jan 02 04:21:33 well i don't plan on compiling gnome on n900 or anything, haha Jan 02 04:21:42 AakashPatel: saving space on root partition Jan 02 04:21:45 just for my own code Jan 02 04:21:53 Oh, sticking stuff in /opt? Jan 02 04:22:46 also, chrome is webkit based too Jan 02 04:24:13 i thought it was V8 Jan 02 04:24:16 or whatever Jan 02 04:24:52 * Arkenoi is thinking on removing unused i18n packages from the device, there are many Jan 02 04:24:59 v8 is the javascript engine i think Jan 02 04:25:48 oh yeah Jan 02 04:34:09 yes v8 is the javascript engine Jan 02 04:34:14 uses webkit for rendering Jan 02 04:41:37 according to http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html there is IR _receiver_ as well? Jan 02 04:42:06 jesus Jan 02 04:44:35 thanks arkenoi Jan 02 04:47:21 Okay, is there a way to import all the contact at once, that i exported using the "export" button? Jan 02 04:51:05 arkenoi: that site has an error Jan 02 04:51:20 it does come with a usb to microusb cable Jan 02 04:53:25 still trying to get my head wrapped around this optify thing.. why not just enlarge the root partition? Jan 02 04:53:42 because it's as big as it can be Jan 02 04:53:53 It's on a physical 256 MB drive Jan 02 04:54:02 not the 32GB one Jan 02 04:56:10 http://maemo.org/packages/view/toppler/ should have info on package status and voting Jan 02 04:56:32 thought that might be the case. where exactly can I find documentation on the specifics of what is where? Jan 02 04:58:25 and is it only /opt that is put on another partition? how about /usr and /etc? Jan 02 04:58:39 also the sort order for testing packages is a mystery. i really hope the server upgrades go well Jan 02 04:58:48 Your home folder is on the 32 gb as well Jan 02 04:58:57 and we need to thank yhe webguys for all the work Jan 02 05:05:05 * cehteh rarely installs linux on a root partition bigger than 256mb (well less than 1GB for sure) Jan 02 05:05:11 even for desktops and servers Jan 02 05:05:39 has anyone announced working on porting blender to the N900 Jan 02 05:05:46 lol# Jan 02 05:06:10 I wouldn't mind a port of 2.5, but I don't know if anyone is. Jan 02 05:06:20 kamui2: you interested? Jan 02 05:06:22 yea Jan 02 05:06:29 where do I'll second the blender port thing Jan 02 05:06:31 I was asking before duplicating someones effort Jan 02 05:06:48 didn't see anything really on the maemo.org site either Jan 02 05:06:53 Please port 2.5 series not 2.4x Jan 02 05:07:13 well, here goes, Ill start tonight Jan 02 05:07:20 hooray! Jan 02 05:07:46 You know there was someone who did this for winmo Jan 02 05:07:52 yea Jan 02 05:07:54 blenderce Jan 02 05:08:00 I used to use it all the tie on my EXec Jan 02 05:08:13 concept work, and dicking around during class Jan 02 05:08:24 I'm going to guess that it would be alot easier to port to maemo than winmo ;] Jan 02 05:08:24 it really doesnt matter how much power a mobile device has .. you always find people who will satuate it Jan 02 05:08:34 it was a real hassle to use, and the resolution was ridiculously low if you didn't have a vga device Jan 02 05:08:43 I tried using it later on the tilt Jan 02 05:08:44 I found that 2.5 looked usable (with stylus) at 800x480 on my desktop. Jan 02 05:08:57 screenshots is Ctrl+P right? Jan 02 05:09:13 well, of course 2.5 is only available in svn :) Jan 02 05:09:34 anyway, im on it, lets see what I can pull off Jan 02 05:09:57 on ctrl sht p Jan 02 05:09:59 http://imagebin.org/77910 Jan 02 05:10:04 shft* Jan 02 05:10:09 awesome.. I'll be keeping an eye on it Jan 02 05:10:16 that's blender 2.5 at wvga Jan 02 05:11:24 well .. still looks cramped Jan 02 05:11:56 dunno for what you want to use it :P Jan 02 05:11:59 is that 2.5? Jan 02 05:12:01 yea.. but looks pretty usable compared to the winmo version.. and any of those panels are easy to full screen Jan 02 05:12:03 I'm viewing the pic now on my n900, and it looks like it would be usable with stylus Jan 02 05:12:08 much better than 2.4 Jan 02 05:12:14 chanbge of the default interface layout? Jan 02 05:12:21 far better than the winmo screenshots seemed Jan 02 05:12:25 haven't even used 2.5 yet, justgrabbed it Jan 02 05:12:34 That's default 2.5 Jan 02 05:12:51 It's a lot nicer than 2.4 when it comes to the ui Jan 02 05:18:03 just now dl'ed and running it for the first time too. Looks like it will require some relearning.. but looks good so far Jan 02 05:24:02 nice. winxp reinstall nuked bigbox part table Jan 02 05:24:23 always good to refresh the rescue skills Jan 02 05:24:28 thanks bill Jan 02 05:24:35 confirmation Jan 02 05:24:46 GL/glu.h is provided by mesa right Jan 02 05:25:11 mesa provides glu.h Jan 02 05:25:39 not the other way around Jan 02 05:25:58 ok, so what did I say that was different Jan 02 05:26:10 glu.h could come from another sourxe Jan 02 05:27:05 great, anyway thats a big help, I was 99% sure but I wanted to verify before wasting time trying to build mesa Jan 02 05:27:33 no dont Jan 02 05:27:49 google a bit Jan 02 05:28:49 i don't see any way of recording video on the n900 out of the box, or any way of using the front camera. am i missing something? Jan 02 05:29:06 the only app that uses the front camera that I've seen is mirror Jan 02 05:29:19 to record video using the normal cam, just run the camera app Jan 02 05:29:28 and change the mode from auto image to auto video Jan 02 05:29:47 if you haven't tweaked the camera app at all, it will be the box with the A in it Jan 02 05:29:49 cool, thanks Jan 02 05:30:13 also, is there any way to do video calls with skype? Jan 02 05:30:19 naah Jan 02 05:30:21 not yet Jan 02 05:30:24 afaik Jan 02 05:30:39 dang Jan 02 05:30:43 on a positive side note, skype calls are relatively low latency even over edge :) Jan 02 05:31:12 yeah, i've tried it a few times and it sounded better then a normal call, haha Jan 02 05:31:13 what would you pay for skype video capability? Jan 02 05:31:56 wait, you have to pay to get video with skype? i did not know that... just created an account last week Jan 02 05:32:33 or you mean i pay you to make it happen? Jan 02 05:32:35 haha Jan 02 05:32:50 no just wondering Jan 02 05:33:38 meh, i don't think i'd use it much. i was just curious if it was possible Jan 02 05:33:51 if i were skype i would try to sell it as an addon Jan 02 05:33:58 through ovi maybe Jan 02 05:34:32 nokia tells 'skype coming soon' still .. that prolly means a client with video capability Jan 02 05:34:43 first they have to fix the frontcam anyways Jan 02 05:34:46 cool Jan 02 05:34:47 this is gonna take a while Jan 02 05:34:56 my scratchbox has a shitload of updates Jan 02 05:35:04 centeh: You are overlooking one more possibility Jan 02 05:35:20 centeh: That Nokia's left hand does not know what Nokia's right hand is doing Jan 02 05:35:41 I.e. Maemo Select marketing people simply do not know that Skype is already bundled with the device Jan 02 05:35:42 i dont care, i dont need video capability Jan 02 05:36:22 RST38h: looks like they dont even know that the device is in production already :) Jan 02 05:36:55 how about a free service that lets two n900s initiate private p2p video Jan 02 05:37:12 sip? Jan 02 05:37:38 i was thinking about installing a sip server/proxy on my server machine Jan 02 05:37:47 no idea. i just see the std video streaming witn mencoder /gstreamer Jan 02 05:37:54 there is SIP :P Jan 02 05:38:08 the n900 supports sip .. its an open standard Jan 02 05:38:19 unlike skype Jan 02 05:38:54 yeah, i'd like to use sip more, but really skype has some services you cant do with just a open project Jan 02 05:39:08 calling landlines, doing stuff only carriers can do Jan 02 05:39:20 why can't skype do that Jan 02 05:39:22 i was hoping for a non evil alternative for the near future Jan 02 05:39:29 i saied sip Jan 02 05:39:34 oh Jan 02 05:39:36 pardon Jan 02 05:39:40 cehteh: sure you can Jan 02 05:39:50 you can do all that with sip Jan 02 05:39:51 well it will cost someones money Jan 02 05:40:04 you cant do it completely for free as in beer Jan 02 05:40:08 yes but then again you need some service provider like skype Jan 02 05:40:21 but you can certainly do it with open protocols Jan 02 05:40:22 why Jan 02 05:40:27 well you cant do it (at least not easily) in a community effort Jan 02 05:40:43 like gizmo (now owned by google) Jan 02 05:40:48 i kust need an ip and a connection thru a firewall to my friend Jan 02 05:40:53 used to be called sipphone Jan 02 05:40:56 sip is capable of a lot and more things Jan 02 05:41:06 all sip/jabber based Jan 02 05:41:18 but the thing is that you need the infrastructure to interfaces the technologies Jan 02 05:41:22 that needs money Jan 02 05:41:27 i want no service provider and no central point of control or spying Jan 02 05:41:35 thats the only really must have missing feature of conversations Jan 02 05:41:41 and the IM plugins Jan 02 05:41:47 no way to transfer images/files Jan 02 05:41:48 user_: if you only want to talk over the internet then use sip Jan 02 05:42:05 cehteh over skype? Jan 02 05:42:10 seems cheaper to use skype for that Jan 02 05:42:17 and its less problematic than sip Jan 02 05:42:19 eh? Jan 02 05:42:28 user_: then you cant use traditional phone networks/numbers at all Jan 02 05:42:29 (mental note: change default nick in XChat from user/user_/user__ to iamstupid/really_stupid/idiots) Jan 02 05:42:40 * RST38h cackles evilly Jan 02 05:42:55 this nick rules btw Jan 02 05:42:57 RST38h: well i like that :) last time i was user_ from my bathtub :P Jan 02 05:43:30 N900 in the tub!?! Jan 02 05:43:31 nice Jan 02 05:43:43 I didn't get a lanyard, and im oto chicken to risk it Jan 02 05:43:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol#Obfuscation_Layer Jan 02 05:44:15 mhm where does one announce mameo projects and gather devs? talk.mamemo.org looks more like a users place Jan 02 05:44:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol#Legal_Issues Jan 02 05:44:22 ml? i am not subscribed Jan 02 05:44:50 kamui: put it in a zip bag .. listening music, well and chatted a bit Jan 02 05:44:53 no thanks, your stuck with whatever client they feel inclined to bless your platform with Jan 02 05:45:04 dont like it? tough shit Jan 02 05:50:35 shit. the media player hiccups every 20 minutes or so, seems that *something* wakes up in the phone. shoudn't it be reniced by default to higher priority? Jan 02 05:52:59 how do you know the hiccup is in userspace Jan 02 06:00:19 http://git.pipapo.org/?p=profiled;a=blob;f=profiled.lua;h=44cd2ec293e4b056a2d058052f2012403772a5c8;hb=3ea0c1fe9bde819c9a1f125442ebcaf39331cea0 Jan 02 06:00:30 .. anyone want to help with such a project? Jan 02 06:03:42 had to build a dependency, libdrm Jan 02 06:03:50 however, pkg-config will only point to the old version Jan 02 06:04:01 user: just a guess. i am not sure :-( Jan 02 06:04:12 I relinked the library, and updated the ld.so.conf as needed Jan 02 06:04:19 ldconfig and tryed to reconfigure Jan 02 06:04:32 what am I screwing up here Jan 02 06:10:11 my SDK image has hildon-desktop without 'More...' button now Jan 02 06:10:15 thx nokia Jan 02 06:12:12 well 'less' isnt installable either .. grr :P Jan 02 06:15:48 where I can fine sources of gtk+ 2:2.14.7-1maemo15 (or newer)? Jan 02 06:17:21 i google fremantle pool src (pkgname) Jan 02 06:17:30 iirc Jan 02 06:20:26 only maemo12 is in repository Jan 02 06:20:56 what depends on it hrw? Jan 02 06:21:04 newer hildon-desktop Jan 02 06:21:55 finally Jan 02 06:21:59 mesa is building in the scratchbox Jan 02 06:22:31 hre the hildon-desktop should have a maintainer email for the person who knows the answer Jan 02 06:23:04 tmo down? Jan 02 06:25:37 has anyone come across any decent (hildonized) Qt examples Jan 02 06:26:12 i'm technically using python bindings but at this point I'll settle for Qt examples. The examples in the source seem to be lacking (no stackable windows, etc) Jan 02 06:28:08 looks like Qt applications usually take about 2 seconds to start (while there are gtk ones that start in a blink of eye), or did i just pick wrong ones? Jan 02 06:28:20 aspidites: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player Jan 02 06:28:26 bye Jan 02 06:28:54 ebay.de lists N810 as a smartphone Jan 02 06:30:24 thanks hrw|gone i'll check that out Jan 02 06:31:57 aspidites: thats my tool - you can catch me on monday if have questions Jan 02 06:32:43 hrw|gone: i noticed the name :-P Jan 02 06:33:07 any special set up you used with designer? Jan 02 06:33:21 none Jan 02 06:33:37 * hrw|gone -> off Jan 02 06:34:24 k, i'll try to stop by on mon. if i have questions Jan 02 06:37:57 who's familiar with mesa Jan 02 06:38:10 im only building the swrast driver Jan 02 06:38:20 thats software rendering only? Jan 02 06:40:14 sounds like it Jan 02 06:40:35 yea, I vaguely remember a recent change to mesa Jan 02 06:40:48 where the old software render was replaced by a new one, I believe swrast was the new Jan 02 06:43:18 exit Jan 02 06:43:21 er... Jan 02 07:32:18 shit Jan 02 07:32:27 I probaby should have not build the blender game engine Jan 02 07:33:41 on the phone? Jan 02 07:33:55 im building it in the sandbox at the moment Jan 02 07:35:19 hohum Jan 02 08:14:36 I have an app im trying to build that requires Phython.h Jan 02 08:14:45 which I was sure was already in maemo Jan 02 08:15:12 so I grabbed the maemo python source and rebuilt it Jan 02 08:15:33 the Make still cna't find the .h file Jan 02 08:15:41 but its sitting in /scratchbox/include/python2.5 Jan 02 08:26:54 phython.h? Jan 02 08:27:34 Hello, is there a big drawback in using python(PyQt, PySide) for maemo compared to using C++/Qt? Jan 02 08:27:44 yea Jan 02 08:27:51 im really close to finishing the blender port Jan 02 08:28:01 im on the apps core now Jan 02 08:28:06 p*h*thon? Jan 02 08:28:09 apparently my sandbox is a bit hosed Jan 02 08:28:19 I need to install Python-dev Jan 02 08:28:21 but it wont let me Jan 02 08:28:31 my libs are too new, and those headers are too old Jan 02 08:28:39 im gonna try the testing and devel repos Jan 02 08:28:57 what is the major drawback? Speed? If yes, how bad is it? Jan 02 08:30:42 where is the header you're looking for? I don't see a /scratchbox/include Jan 02 08:31:24 on my system after downloading the source for python its in /scratchbox/include/Python2.5/Python.h Jan 02 08:32:20 oh, I didn't download the python source on my scratchbox, just the python 2.5 packages Jan 02 08:35:59 SpeedEvil: "kerryboard" is like an Ouiji board, but instead for communicating with John Kerry's presidential election campaign Jan 02 08:38:57 so how did you get python there again? Jan 02 08:39:47 its not working Jan 02 08:39:56 but apt-get source Phython2.5 Jan 02 08:39:58 then I build it Jan 02 08:40:00 built Jan 02 08:40:08 make, then make install Jan 02 08:40:23 anyway, Im going to bed, I almost had blender working in only a few hours Jan 02 08:40:29 but Im tired. see you guys tomorrow Jan 02 08:40:35 why do you havd an h in there? Jan 02 08:41:10 lisp? Jan 02 08:41:17 ba-dum-dum rimshot Jan 02 08:41:20 language jokes. Jan 02 08:57:22 is there some easy way to add a diablo armel target to the new sdk? Jan 02 08:59:41 i guess adding a new bootstrap ... Jan 02 09:00:04 what is "diablo", I've heard it several times and did not find a succinct description on tmo Jan 02 09:00:27 codename for older maemo release Jan 02 09:00:31 thanks Jan 02 09:00:47 n800, n8q0 Jan 02 09:00:50 810 Jan 02 09:01:42 or do real devs just use autobuilder to create those packages Jan 02 09:02:10 ... expiring minds waht to know Jan 02 09:02:50 heh Jan 02 09:03:03 easy to spot tablet users by typos ;) Jan 02 09:03:38 hehe Jan 02 09:04:14 good morning from the dentist waiting room btw ;) Jan 02 09:07:23 tigert: too much teeth grinding, waiting for Ovi Store to open for N900? Jan 02 09:07:25 damn... ARMEL means ARM, endian, little, right? Jan 02 09:07:26 just a guess.... Jan 02 09:07:31 nah Jan 02 09:07:36 ARMEL is ARM + EABI Jan 02 09:07:50 ok, what is EABI? Jan 02 09:07:53 well it might mean ARM,endian,little but I don't think so Jan 02 09:08:02 lucent: hehe Jan 02 09:08:04 EABI is the binary interface between code Jan 02 09:08:10 I don't know a lot about it Jan 02 09:08:41 there was an older non-EABI Application Binary Interface and it was considered annoying Jan 02 09:08:58 the EABI only is possible with new versions of GCC since a few eyears ago Jan 02 09:09:24 * lucent grins at the etypo Jan 02 09:09:29 elol Jan 02 09:09:56 ok, thanks Jan 02 09:10:28 lucent: /me spotted an ad for a drink today at the tram stop Jan 02 09:10:38 it was called "LOL" Jan 02 09:10:43 * lucent facepalms Jan 02 09:10:55 a teen shot thingy Jan 02 09:11:04 shoot the teens, great idea. Jan 02 09:11:12 not what you said, it's what you said. Jan 02 09:11:15 * lucent :) Jan 02 09:12:19 http://www.lolshots.com/ < and tghey likely expect people to paste the link just like this :P Jan 02 09:13:02 * RST38h only understood "Jatka" Jan 02 09:13:20 its a .fi site Jan 02 09:13:21 tigert: how do I use their product? Am I supposed to vomit *before* or *after* drinking it? Jan 02 09:13:22 The rest completely missed this target Jan 02 09:13:40 lucent: after you piss but before you vomit? Jan 02 09:14:17 oh well Jan 02 09:14:48 I think this is an Idea that I will really hate if it is a success Jan 02 09:15:03 anyone know of something similar to knots2? Jan 02 09:15:10 the web front end portion Jan 02 09:15:27 * RST38h wants an applet for switching xkb layouts Jan 02 09:15:43 like zippered hip pouches tourists wear and colored "show your support" rubber bracelets Jan 02 09:18:11 someone should hack a ovi store applet Jan 02 09:18:26 "is it there yet?" "no." Jan 02 09:18:33 "yes!" Jan 02 09:19:02 Someone should come up with a real use for Ovi Store first. Jan 02 09:19:21 yeah I wish Nokia would say officially "Chill bitches, we're workin' our pimp game. Don't hate the player, hate the game." Jan 02 09:19:26 Preferably before it follows Nokia Download, NGage, etc Jan 02 09:19:55 :) Jan 02 09:22:31 RST38h: awesome new version of xchat! Jan 02 09:23:33 hmm Jan 02 09:23:35 qtify Jan 02 09:23:46 has someone tried, does it work ok? Jan 02 09:23:53 i dont have spotify premium Jan 02 09:24:01 so i cannot test Jan 02 09:25:34 new xchat is great Jan 02 09:25:51 saves prefs now no crash Jan 02 09:26:17 pidgin is also great Jan 02 09:26:37 pidgin > conversations plus plugins Jan 02 09:34:40 thanks to marat KamuiN900 Jan 02 09:36:01 KamuiN900: oh ... nice Jan 02 09:37:06 can apt-get update spit-out a list of NEW packages? Jan 02 09:39:44 \o/ default nicks rule Jan 02 09:42:26 Morning, all Jan 02 09:43:09 hm Jan 02 09:43:25 vagalume has libre.fm stuff on config Jan 02 09:43:35 but i get last.fm error messages Jan 02 09:47:34 tigert: i recall something about needing to set a config as last.fm API isn't happy about streaming to cellphones Jan 02 09:47:34 hmm Jan 02 09:47:46 this isnt last.fm Jan 02 09:47:49 libre.fm Jan 02 09:47:52 it works now Jan 02 09:47:53 ah Jan 02 09:48:02 but maybe the whole app is not fixed yet :) Jan 02 09:48:04 but Jan 02 09:48:12 now I have this other issue Jan 02 09:48:29 that seems to haunt all community music appsä Jan 02 09:48:40 they dont play with profile on silent Jan 02 09:48:50 mediaplayer plays ok though Jan 02 09:48:56 * tigert wonderd why Jan 02 09:49:10 s/rd/rs/ Jan 02 09:49:18 pulseaudio has application profiles and some way to register which you want Jan 02 09:49:59 yeh Jan 02 09:50:13 this is sucky Jan 02 09:50:53 more /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf Jan 02 09:50:59 and other files Jan 02 09:51:30 no it s great. just need to learn how to use it Jan 02 09:52:07 yeah Jan 02 09:52:15 so hopefully th lasrt restart Jan 02 09:52:33 no no i mean Jan 02 09:53:03 the fact that tmost apps dont set this sucks Jan 02 09:55:06 * cehteh still searches for help implementing his automatic profile switcher .. bit unrelated to pulseaudio, but still Jan 02 09:58:28 ceh900: based on the location framework? Jan 02 10:03:07 tigert: using all kinds of sources for input and all kinds of actions to change things Jan 02 10:04:37 hmm Jan 02 10:04:44 yeah, this is way nicer Jan 02 10:04:59 though the default color palette is horrid :) Jan 02 10:05:41 http://git.pipapo.org/?p=profiled;a=blob;f=profiled.lua; Jan 02 10:05:41 hacked some ideas/brainstorming together in lua Jan 02 10:05:58 hehe Jan 02 10:06:15 * cehteh just had a reconnect Jan 02 10:07:54 tigert: i just want some intuitive way to configure certain (many) aspects of the device .. Jan 02 10:08:15 yep Jan 02 10:08:18 for example if it lays face down at night then it can shutdowen celluar Jan 02 10:08:57 happy newyears, wazd_e63 Jan 02 10:09:09 or if not at home it should prefer to secure the device earlier Jan 02 10:09:31 i wish libre.fm could filter out the sucky indie music :) Jan 02 10:09:59 * tigert didnt especially enjoy the artist "Jimmy the Hideous Penguin" more than a few beats Jan 02 10:10:35 :) Jan 02 10:11:01 i have a synth too! gee, it makes funky effects! Jan 02 10:11:25 heya wazd Jan 02 10:11:53 tigert: it plays Jimmy to all the open source people! Jan 02 10:12:01 yea! Jan 02 10:12:32 Seriously though, I want last.fm back. Libre.fm is just some useless Last.fm wannabe site. Jan 02 10:12:34 * cehteh listens radio paradise .. but well i need something new :P Jan 02 10:12:35 somafm works nicer for me so far Jan 02 10:13:03 hehe try this russian 16bit station :) Jan 02 10:13:12 (from the default playlist) Jan 02 10:13:16 all these free music sites are a nice idea Jan 02 10:13:26 but if the music sucks its no fun :) Jan 02 10:13:37 there is always a off button Jan 02 10:13:44 cehteh: where? Jan 02 10:14:06 top of the device in the middle, just press it long enough Jan 02 10:14:08 trying vagalume, just tag radio seems to work Jan 02 10:15:16 anyone heard anything about python-abook bindings? there are tutorials up on pymaemo garage site but i seem to be unable to find the actual bindings :P Jan 02 10:17:02 is there a navit port on the n900 available? Jan 02 10:17:16 ovi takes too long to fire up Jan 02 10:17:53 jep ovi is the worst of all mapping apps Jan 02 10:17:57 maemo mapper confuses me when downloading maps, sqlite db doesnt seem too work Jan 02 10:18:04 do you need maps or routing? Jan 02 10:18:16 yeah i hope that will be fixed soon Jan 02 10:18:17 i need maps cehteh Jan 02 10:18:27 otherwise maemo mapper looks great Jan 02 10:18:41 a script to download maps on the pc for osm would be enough Jan 02 10:18:55 there are a lot more mapping apps Jan 02 10:19:06 mostly in testing or elsewhere Jan 02 10:19:16 osm2go, maep, ... Jan 02 10:19:37 osm2go is an editor Jan 02 10:19:48 * cehteh would like to see someone porting viking to maemo Jan 02 10:19:59 maybe i should try just to compile it Jan 02 10:20:02 there is qlandkarte Jan 02 10:20:23 but i dislike that they use all different formats for handling the maps Jan 02 10:20:45 * RST38h will listen to music the old way: dc++/torrent, download a few albums, listen to them in mp3 Jan 02 10:20:50 i just want to download all of them into a loopable image and mount it to the correct path Jan 02 10:21:05 to hell with internet radio Jan 02 10:21:14 from all i seen, mameo mapper looks most promising so far Jan 02 10:21:23 maep Jan 02 10:21:30 RST38h: streamripper :) Jan 02 10:22:09 centeh: too complicated Jan 02 10:22:43 there was a guy here who was porting navit at least he tried Jan 02 10:23:46 overall, i am happy with the n900 Jan 02 10:23:53 i miss only a few things yet Jan 02 10:23:54 configure: error: libgps is needed for Realtime GPS Tracking feature, but not found. The feature can be disable with --disable-realtime-gps-tracking Jan 02 10:23:59 damnit Jan 02 10:26:31 cehteh: did you tried fennec on the n900? Jan 02 10:26:31 ah maep looks nice too, bit simple, but i guess thats a feature Jan 02 10:26:58 cehteh: but i need a method to autodownload a lot of maps Jan 02 10:27:23 fennec is unuseable imo Jan 02 10:27:51 cehteh: for my freerunner i used tangogps, there was a 386 version with which i downloaded all the maps and then i copied it to the mobile devoce Jan 02 10:28:20 cehteh: yeah, fennec is much too slow, i was suprised why they released it Jan 02 10:29:22 its not really released, still beta Jan 02 10:29:52 i hope that there are a lot assertions and other slowdowns enabled and a release will be much faster, else this will be a fail Jan 02 10:30:13 i am happy with microb .. and tear looks also nice Jan 02 10:30:22 tear? Jan 02 10:30:23 A possible workaround for donwling maemomapp on a pc is ...to use the sdk Jan 02 10:30:43 just compile maemomapper there, and ask ti to download a huge area, go to sleep. The day after, you got your repository Jan 02 10:31:01 fennec lacks the networking hildon api Jan 02 10:31:12 so it doesnt ask you to connect to network Jan 02 10:31:15 melmoth: is there no script to do that? Jan 02 10:31:19 which is annoying too Jan 02 10:31:30 not that i am aware of. Jan 02 10:31:47 tear is the default browser on mer, right? Jan 02 10:31:54 morning all Jan 02 10:32:03 hi lardman Jan 02 10:32:03 there was some map downloading tool Jan 02 10:32:15 BluesLee: yeah, might switch to midori but we'll se Jan 02 10:32:17 tigert: which is probably the least annoying thing about fennec Jan 02 10:32:17 e Jan 02 10:32:21 i just dont remember more, but i remember seeing something like that Jan 02 10:32:34 RST38h: its become slightly better, Jan 02 10:32:43 but missing interactions are worst Jan 02 10:32:49 just a little bit...no longer flashes the screen on startup Jan 02 10:32:51 Stskeeps: i was really suprised taht maemo's midori is much better than on my freerunner Jan 02 10:33:03 but it tends to hang for seconds with no indication of activity Jan 02 10:33:08 yeah Jan 02 10:33:11 BluesLee: well i guess freerunner is old. Tear worked -really well- on freerunner Jan 02 10:33:12 and this absolutely drives me nuts Jan 02 10:33:19 and the kinetic panning drags too much Jan 02 10:33:38 microb got that pretty good with the touchscreen we have Jan 02 10:35:53 panning in Fennec is ok, very subjective anyway Jan 02 10:36:15 i am also happy with microb, its ore than sufficient for me Jan 02 10:36:20 I guess it is all that javascript/xul that is dragging it down though Jan 02 10:38:26 does someone know something about anki/mnemosynce on n900? Jan 02 10:38:52 i tried yesterday ankiqt, but it misses too many python deps Jan 02 10:39:18 ankimaemi fires up but no interaction is possible for instance opening a file Jan 02 10:59:12 mnemosyne seems to work out of the box from the repo http://evince.garage.maemo.org/ Jan 02 11:04:55 maemo doesn't support more than one application playing sounds at once?(like esd) Jan 02 11:05:33 ColdFyre: ever heard about pulseaudio or simple alsa dmix? ;) Jan 02 11:08:14 yes, but i thought it would be OOTB Jan 02 11:13:45 omg Jan 02 11:13:49 i just sent an mms from my n900 Jan 02 11:13:50 IM AWESOME Jan 02 11:13:52 \o/ Jan 02 11:13:53 maybe browser could mail warning to admin@site "took 25 seconds to load (URL) please fix." Jan 02 11:15:35 legitimate problems arent spam Jan 02 11:16:06 frals: how? Jan 02 11:16:16 worlds ugliest python hack Jan 02 11:16:17 otoh maybe sites will start catering more to mobiles Jan 02 11:16:32 pretty cool frals Jan 02 11:16:57 proof it is possible at least Jan 02 11:17:08 haha, did you write the script? Jan 02 11:17:25 ya Jan 02 11:17:34 no he did not. his fingers did Jan 02 11:17:37 so now im both receiving and sending MMS on my n900 :] Jan 02 11:17:44 pastebin it! Jan 02 11:17:54 is it CLI for sending ? ;) Jan 02 11:17:57 depends on a lot of ugly code Jan 02 11:18:07 Stskeeps: bug 6416 ... can you ask for the source in your official capacity :) Jan 02 11:18:08 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 Wifi won't connect until rebooted... Jan 02 11:18:33 frals: you are? how? Jan 02 11:18:43 i jsut moved from android to maemo..lots of different stuff Jan 02 11:18:50 no ringtnos for each person :( Jan 02 11:18:55 especially given Alan's comment that it's not in the w51-1 build Jan 02 11:19:11 encoding the mms message binary and then just posting it to my mmsc, was really easy :P Jan 02 11:20:02 frals: cool... :D -- are you going to do fax next? ;) Jan 02 11:21:10 color fax! ;) Jan 02 11:23:17 also, maybe i'm tripping, but there are no working themes for download? Jan 02 11:33:49 Is it just be, or does telepathy-butterfly cause a significant power drain? So haze is just a wrapper for Pidgin? Is pecan any good? Jabber requires setting up a own server, right? What is the level of battery drain between the last 3 options? Jan 02 11:37:06 joppu: you don't need to set up your own jabber server. there are dozens of free ones Jan 02 11:37:16 joppu: even google talk is jabber Jan 02 11:38:48 I was talking about MSN Jan 02 11:39:06 joppu: you did ask about jabber. Jan 02 11:39:41 I forgot to mention it, I was talking about the MSN transfer on Jabber Jan 02 11:41:30 quit Jan 02 11:43:39 But yeah, does anyone have any battery life experience between butterfly, haze and pecan? Jan 02 11:46:33 is pecan new? Jan 02 11:46:36 havent heard of it Jan 02 11:49:09 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/msn-pecan-0-1-0-rc2-ready-for-testing-now-with-n900-support/ Jan 02 11:54:34 bbl Jan 02 11:58:18 anyone had strange probs after updating msn plugin(under conversations) Jan 02 11:58:42 cant find it anymore on accounts.but i can change my availability Jan 02 12:01:11 so cant disable msn acc anymore and see all my contacts offline Jan 02 12:01:15 suckage Jan 02 12:02:48 also it seems to add my offline msn friends into contact book Jan 02 12:03:20 lots changed, makes me wonder how easily ppl can upload unfinished stuff.into repos Jan 02 12:03:30 ifreq: I have the same Jan 02 12:04:00 But I just removed the whole butterfly due to it's huge battery drain Jan 02 12:04:17 Currently testing the other choices Jan 02 12:06:37 yeh going to either fring or pidgin then Jan 02 12:06:51 too bad as i liked the conversation integration Jan 02 12:07:33 want to buy simple voting app Jan 02 12:08:04 call diebold? Jan 02 12:09:48 hrr Jan 02 12:10:08 cant remove msn now from availability list Jan 02 12:10:14 :) grr Jan 02 12:10:54 lol samsung bada = just another maemo? Jan 02 12:10:55 right Jan 02 12:12:18 ifreq: why not give haze a try? pecan was nonfunctional for me. Jan 02 12:14:29 I hate using a seperate application for IM Jan 02 12:17:19 joppu,yeah testing it atm Jan 02 12:17:43 also read on many postings buttfly was quite disapointment Jan 02 12:24:02 msn is quite a disapointment Jan 02 12:29:18 yeah true. not all use irc tho..like parents etc Jan 02 12:30:41 cehteh: do you want to start a project for n900? Jan 02 12:32:12 Hrm, I read some discussion about MMS requiring two independant internet connections, since a carrier may have two APN's with the same gateway address. There was discussion using iptables and multiple networking stacks, why not use setsockopt(.... SO_BINDTODEVICE ... ) to force the MMS send/receive out a particular APN? Jan 02 12:33:44 more detailed power management howto http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39038 <- anyone? Jan 02 12:35:23 arkenoi, wouldn't those numbers depend also on the quality of network service in your region? Jan 02 12:35:38 arkenoi, but hey, you could measure them and provide a great service :) Jan 02 12:39:06 flux: really hard to do so ;-) if i only had second n900, it could be easy, but incoming calls and other evreryday needs disrupt my measurement attempts ;-) Jan 02 12:40:19 ifreq: bitlbee Jan 02 12:44:21 bitlbee requires you to set up a server Jan 02 12:44:55 uh Jan 02 12:45:23 no, it requires you to connect to it and create an account Jan 02 12:45:26 very hard i know Jan 02 12:45:50 the hardest part would be inserting it in your autoconnect list Jan 02 12:46:11 FIQ: if you want to use a public server that is. Jan 02 12:47:02 Strangely enought, I'd let Microsoft or Google to handle my IM accounts but not some obscure person somewhere hosting the server. Jan 02 12:47:58 masters of science fiction would be great if they didn't have stephen hawkings throwing quotes into it Jan 02 12:48:13 it totally ruins the show :) no offense to people with whatever he has that makes it so he has to use the digital voice Jan 02 12:48:19 but he totally sucks Jan 02 12:53:03 hi Jan 02 12:53:13 hrw|n900: hello there Jan 02 12:53:30 damn it the repos aren't updating :/ Jan 02 12:54:03 joppu: why they have to? Jan 02 12:57:04 btw... does someone know which version of hildon-desktop is in fw1.1? Jan 02 12:57:52 git head does not split applications into two screens - would be nice to have it in Jan 02 12:59:15 two scrreens? Jan 02 13:00:03 Macer: Well, he kinda has no choice on this Jan 02 13:01:46 RST38h: yeah but they had a choice on who they would use for it Jan 02 13:01:51 and he was not the right choice :) Jan 02 13:09:42 Can someone try refreshing their appmrg? Jan 02 13:09:47 Arkenoi: I'm planning on hooking it up to my scope today to see if I can better measure current. Jan 02 13:10:17 Arkenoi: measure consumption of - ideally - every seperate element of the phone. Jan 02 13:11:22 If I can get out of bed. Jan 02 13:14:11 is microb qt or gtk based? Jan 02 13:15:04 gtk no doubt Jan 02 13:22:16 wow Jan 02 13:22:28 that episode of masters of science fiction was like something straight off the christian channel Jan 02 13:22:31 haha Jan 02 13:22:56 What would be the best encoding for videos on N900? Jan 02 13:23:30 On 770 it was necessary to transcode every video, but it seems that quite often the playback is choppy on just some random video file Jan 02 13:23:36 +even on N900 Jan 02 13:24:42 probably because it only has a hw h264 Jan 02 13:24:45 decoder Jan 02 13:25:15 Ah, so h264 then Jan 02 13:25:26 Thanks Jan 02 13:25:31 yeah. best ot just use ffmpeg or something and make it h264+aac Jan 02 13:25:58 ot/to Jan 02 13:27:33 Hukka, if you are already in a transcoding mindset, the lower the rate you can put up with. Jan 02 13:27:37 Any recommendations on what is the optimal resolution for the tv out? I mean what is the point that increasing the resolution won't give any better picture on analog tvs Jan 02 13:27:54 it will also give better bettery life Jan 02 13:28:11 Well, battery is not an issue. I mainly watch movies when stationary Jan 02 13:28:14 worst part about doing quikc and ugly hacks is trying to make them look good and removing all hardcoded values... >_< Jan 02 13:28:17 In buses and so on I read Jan 02 13:28:19 mmm Hukka dunno, but you are right, i dont use tvout for videos most of the time tho Jan 02 13:28:35 frals :) not a problem at all Jan 02 13:28:48 your proof of concept is good Jan 02 13:28:54 well done! Jan 02 13:29:05 It's actually nice, since at my place I use my big TFT-screen for movies directly from desktop, but N900 is the only device I have that can output to my gf's tv :) Jan 02 13:29:15 cheers :) Jan 02 13:29:36 * lcuk will get you a pint at the next summit Jan 02 13:30:02 what res is this at? Jan 02 13:30:10 frals ^ Jan 02 13:30:44 appearently my decode_mms function is too smart, it manages to get everything from the mms i send.. which didnt show up as nicely on a symbian phone :P Jan 02 13:30:56 hehe cool Jan 02 13:31:29 frals, does that mean that at the moment, the n900 could be said to support "mms+" ... Jan 02 13:31:37 :D Jan 02 13:31:41 haha :D Jan 02 13:31:54 why does stephen hawkings still use dr sbaitso for his voice? Jan 02 13:31:59 or rather have a rather rickity bunch of scripts held together with hair clips and chewing gum Jan 02 13:31:59 only handles .jpg and .txt atm thou ;) Jan 02 13:32:19 * lcuk calls u mcguyver Jan 02 13:32:33 what is the official way for checking whether the keyboard slide is open? Jan 02 13:32:42 Anyone can help me finding the place in xkb config where Ctrl+Space is defined? Jan 02 13:32:47 via hal (/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_slide) or is there something on a higher-level? Jan 02 13:33:11 probably a similiar signal in dbus i *think* Jan 02 13:56:55 RST38h: rx-51 xkb symbol config says Ctrl+Space is hardcoded in hildon Jan 02 14:03:42 is there a way to talk to the gsm "modem"? Jan 02 14:03:52 in at commands Jan 02 14:04:00 xorAxAx: pnatd Jan 02 14:05:34 pH5_: no, i want to talk to the gsm chip Jan 02 14:06:40 i want to circumvent phonet because it doesnt give me full access Jan 02 14:07:44 where's is the council chair when you need him? Jan 02 14:07:53 s/ is// Jan 02 14:07:53 crashanddie meant: where's the council chair when you need him? Jan 02 14:08:02 last i heard he was going to a new years party Jan 02 14:08:06 hmm, sed test Jan 02 14:08:08 hes prolly still strung up somewhere Jan 02 14:08:12 hmm Jan 02 14:08:16 s/sed/& / Jan 02 14:08:17 xorAxAx meant: hmm, & test Jan 02 14:08:24 argh, damn infobot, wrong Jan 02 14:08:25 is it urgent? Jan 02 14:08:29 ive got a batphone Jan 02 14:08:36 lcuk: tmo is one of the main tiers of the community, however it is not managed by the community Jan 02 14:08:44 hmm, sed test Jan 02 14:08:46 pH5_: do you have an idea? Jan 02 14:08:50 s/sed/\& / Jan 02 14:08:51 arachnist meant: hmm, \& test Jan 02 14:09:03 s/sed/\0 / Jan 02 14:09:03 arachnist meant: hmm, \0 test Jan 02 14:09:08 hmm Jan 02 14:09:12 lcuk: there is no reaction when people offer help, and there is even less action when help is required. People like orangebox are ruining perfectly good forums and we need to take action Jan 02 14:09:35 crashanddie, orangebox is one troll, hasnt hebeen banned by mods already? Jan 02 14:09:40 no Jan 02 14:09:55 i tohught his threads all calmed down Jan 02 14:09:55 because "he's only troubling in off-topic", nobody takes action Jan 02 14:10:10 calmed down? His thread is one of the most active at the moment Jan 02 14:10:28 "thread" when people were complaining he had about 20 Jan 02 14:10:52 doesn't matter, ban the bastard ffs Jan 02 14:11:12 Macer: it's hawking, not hawkings... and his synthetic voice technology and his interface to it was donated to him many years ago, and it's probably never been important to anyone to upgrade it, he probably likes it by now Jan 02 14:11:41 villager: well, if he says he doesn't like it, they'll take it away -- no more moaning then Jan 02 14:12:42 that too Jan 02 14:14:22 Hukka: just use the maximum resolution of whatever tv format you're using, I suppose... the tvout is not limited to the device's resolution Jan 02 14:15:33 villager: Do tv formats have a max resolution? They are analog, after all Jan 02 14:15:42 yes Jan 02 14:15:48 Hukka: they still have a resolution Jan 02 14:16:04 * Hukka checks wikipedia Jan 02 14:16:40 Hukka: there's definitely a max vertical resolution... horizontal may depend on the particular tv, remember even old color tv sets used raster mask things Jan 02 14:17:23 Hukka: but there's typical horizontal resolutions as well Jan 02 14:17:51 Hm, so would it be the vertical lines or the active lines? Jan 02 14:17:59 The article mentions both Jan 02 14:18:07 (at least for PAL) Jan 02 14:18:47 576 Jan 02 14:18:52 xorAxAx: unfortunately not. Jan 02 14:19:13 the remaining non-visible lines are used for encoding stuff like teletext Jan 02 14:19:23 Ok, got it Jan 02 14:20:33 this probably still includes the overscan though Jan 02 14:20:53 Hukka: 768x576 is the average in Europe (PAL) Jan 02 14:21:20 Thanks Jan 02 14:21:34 NTSC is 720x480 Jan 02 14:21:43 Who cares :) Jan 02 14:22:03 NTSC sucked because you had saturation issues... (Never The Same Colour) Jan 02 14:22:31 Btw, are the new hd discs the same everywhere (apart from region codes, of course)? Jan 02 14:22:41 yeah Jan 02 14:22:52 blu-ray has nearly no region codes tbh Jan 02 14:23:02 IIRC, only 10-20% of all blu-rays have a region code Jan 02 14:23:14 Great, with DVDs it was quite annoying, that you couldn't really order from the states and PAL versions were months late, always Jan 02 14:24:15 Not that I know when I actually will buy a bluray drive. Probably not soon. Jan 02 14:24:41 just get a PS3 Jan 02 14:24:58 it's a very decent blu-ray player -- not as good as a standalone one, but it just does a whole lot more Jan 02 14:25:58 I've always used my desktop as a media player, so no. Jan 02 14:26:33 But yeah, if I did use a more traditional home theater setup, PS3 would be the best choice. Even moreso with the first revisions of it Jan 02 14:26:50 heelo Jan 02 14:27:10 Hukka: get an iMac and use it to display your PS3 :P Jan 02 14:27:58 My PS3 :? Jan 02 14:28:18 well, provided you buy one :P Jan 02 14:28:21 Can't afford one after iMac, it's one or other :) Jan 02 14:28:31 where do you live? Jan 02 14:28:36 Finland, Espoo Jan 02 14:28:41 hmm Jan 02 14:28:47 get a credit :P Jan 02 14:29:07 Well, seriously, macs aren't that expensive, considering it all and not just CPU power Jan 02 14:29:10 i want help for share internet connection between laptop & n900!?i tested this help,but,it doesn't work:(:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sharing_ppp_connection_with_wlan_interface Jan 02 14:29:24 mkargar: ouch Jan 02 14:29:30 pal-version of things always being around 1year later or smth like that, than ntsc/jp is annoying Jan 02 14:29:59 mkargar: ad-hoc doesn't work on the N900 IIRC Jan 02 14:32:14 crashanddie:ad-hoc doesn't work on n900??! Jan 02 14:33:12 the hardware should support ad-hoc, since pc-connectivity can enable it Jan 02 14:34:31 and it seems I can add ad-hoc networks in settings... though I guess I've never had to Jan 02 14:35:06 crashanddie: so are you saying it's broken? Jan 02 14:35:16 I dunno, I thought I heard something like that Jan 02 14:36:13 villager:do yo test it?it work?i tested it,but it doesn't work!:( Jan 02 14:36:42 mkargar: can't test, I don't have an adhoc net Jan 02 14:37:27 mkargar: even if it works, you do realise that ad-hoc wifi will not allow you to use power-save mode on the N900 -- your battery will drain pretty quickly Jan 02 14:37:52 mkargar: may I suggest going out to the shop and getting one of these: a wifi card that supports AP features, or an access point Jan 02 14:38:57 I have a wifi card that supports AP features, but it doesn't support powersaving... argh Jan 02 14:38:58 villager, yeah i use adhoc Jan 02 14:39:13 crashanddie:ok!wifi card for my laptop? Jan 02 14:39:15 when my router dies i just switch back to it Jan 02 14:39:43 mkargar: just get a cheap AP, costs $20 or less if you get it second hand Jan 02 14:39:49 where do you live? Jan 02 14:39:58 * lcuk uses adhoc in many situations Jan 02 14:40:07 crashanddie:in iran! Jan 02 14:40:25 ouch Jan 02 14:40:30 how are the fights going? Jan 02 14:40:39 hoping that some future revision of the linux ralink driver will make my wifi card support powersave properly in ap mode Jan 02 14:41:11 16:27:09 crashanddie: Hukka: get an iMac and use it to display your PS3 :P Jan 02 14:41:12 crashanddie:hehe:) Jan 02 14:41:21 MAC != not in here plz Jan 02 14:41:35 so mac = in here please? Jan 02 14:41:39 lol typo ;( Jan 02 14:41:43 remove not Jan 02 14:42:16 lcuk:are yo use ad-hoc fro connetct to internet in n900? Jan 02 14:42:34 Ceron: ctcp version me Jan 02 14:43:00 Ceron: don't put your hate in here, as far as I'm aware, we're allowed to discuss nearly anything in this channel Jan 02 14:43:03 Ceron: What, and Sony is ok then :? Jan 02 14:43:32 mkargar, i use adhoc in different situations, my desktop has wired internet, if its on the network, then yeah i can access internet (gateway address set there) normally though its just between laptop and n900 (think, on a train) and no internet that way Jan 02 14:43:35 no :P Jan 02 14:43:46 but when im adhocing i dont normally need internet Jan 02 14:45:02 s//d/ Jan 02 14:45:07 s/a// Jan 02 14:45:07 FIQ meant: pl-version of things always being around 1year later or smth like that, than ntsc/jp is annoying Jan 02 14:45:19 ehm, ok Jan 02 14:45:57 s/m/\nprivmsg #maemo :test/ Jan 02 14:45:58 FIQ meant: eh\nprivmsg #maemo :test, ok Jan 02 14:46:08 ._. Jan 02 14:46:33 s/._.// Jan 02 14:46:33 FIQ meant: Jan 02 14:47:38 lcuk:dow you want guide me how to set configs for share internet from laptop to n900?(i using ADSL connection on eth0)! Jan 02 14:47:46 * RST38h wonders if anyone here knows anything about Maemo5 hardware keyboard configuration Jan 02 14:47:48 no Jan 02 14:48:01 i used windows, it has a nice internet connection wizard Jan 02 14:48:05 lcuk:i want share it by wlan0(wifi!)! Jan 02 14:48:12 OpenVMS startup begun! Jan 02 14:48:27 * RST38h slaughters another hamster on the sacrificial altar Jan 02 14:48:33 mkargar, i dont know via linux, and thats not n900 specific anyway Jan 02 14:48:37 RST38h: it's a qwerty keyboard, and uses a function key to access special characters Jan 02 14:48:41 RST38h, the lights in my house dimmed Jan 02 14:48:48 Wasn't the problem with wlan connection sharing, that there's no iptables, and thus nat, on N900 Jan 02 14:49:05 the n900 doesnt need it does it? Jan 02 14:49:06 Hukka: NAT and iptables isn't running on the N900 isde Jan 02 14:49:17 s/isd/sid/ Jan 02 14:49:17 crashanddie meant: Hukka: NAT and iptables isn't running on the N900 side Jan 02 14:49:36 n900 sets up network, giving ip,dns,gateway Jan 02 14:49:45 crashanddie: thank you. anything more detaild? Jan 02 14:49:46 set gateway to ip address of machine with bridge installed Jan 02 14:49:48 badda bing Jan 02 14:50:00 lcuk: OpenVMS needs power. Lots of power. Jan 02 14:50:22 yeah RST38h you said before, i didnt think it would actually cause a brownout across europe tho! Jan 02 14:50:32 * frals curses different character encodings Jan 02 14:50:43 SHUTDOWN -- Perform an Orderly System Shutdown on node XXXVAX Jan 02 14:50:45 grumble, I think I've only just noticed that my laptop usb ports don't give enough power to charge the N900 up Jan 02 14:50:49 found it at 2% battery this morning Jan 02 14:50:55 (after being plugged in all night) Jan 02 14:51:00 * RST38h wonders what disorderly shutdown looks like Jan 02 14:51:06 Caesium, screen off, wifi off, shutoff apps Jan 02 14:51:12 for maximum warp charing Jan 02 14:51:13 lcuk: check, check, check :/ Jan 02 14:51:15 charging Jan 02 14:51:18 :( Jan 02 14:51:28 that just sucks balls Jan 02 14:51:46 the N900 said it was charging, but lshal values say differently Jan 02 14:51:52 crashanddie: No? Maybe I misunderstood what he wanted Jan 02 14:52:05 Caesium, was your monitoring knocking it over the edge Jan 02 14:52:14 * RST38h would love to find the magic setting that makes HIM think that it running with RU keyboard Jan 02 14:52:25 nah, I mean, I just ran lshal this morning to see what the voltage etc were, and they were still very low Jan 02 14:52:26 It is not hardcoded, is it??? Jan 02 14:52:32 it wasn't actually doing anything overnight Jan 02 14:53:20 my battery died last night, i fell asleep playing some game or other Jan 02 14:53:20 battery.reporting.current = 27 (0x1b) (int) Jan 02 14:53:21 battery.reporting.design = 1262 (0x4ee) (int) Jan 02 14:53:25 not entirely sure what they mean Jan 02 14:53:27 and it happily played till the morning Jan 02 14:53:35 I thought it'd be current usage, but 27mAh? I don't think so :) Jan 02 14:53:54 If anyone has some time: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/reflect/0.74-1/ Jan 02 14:54:06 It's currently voted 9/10 :) Jan 02 14:54:16 joppu: what's that supposed to do? Jan 02 14:54:17 please help me for share internet from laptop to n900!i extreme need to internet on n900:( Jan 02 14:54:22 arachnist: It's a theme Jan 02 14:54:28 oh Jan 02 14:54:30 ooh themes, I want new themes, I'll check it out :) Jan 02 14:55:17 * arachnist wants a LCARS theme for the N900 Jan 02 14:55:28 Ah, _from_ laptop to the phone Jan 02 14:55:34 n900 is too small to qualify for lcars =) Jan 02 14:55:34 mkargar, look up linux internet connection sharing google results Jan 02 14:55:35 Didn't see that one coming :) Jan 02 14:55:45 joppu: errors when apt-get installing, I'll put them in www space, hang on.. Jan 02 14:55:49 the instructions should be parallel to your requirements Jan 02 14:56:06 Caesium: don't worry, it's normal :) Jan 02 14:56:08 RST38h, didnt stafleet enlist midgets Jan 02 14:56:11 ah ok :) Jan 02 14:56:13 starfleet Jan 02 14:56:20 mkargar: Your system should have a connection sharing in an easy control panel or something. If not, switch to an easier system! Jan 02 14:56:23 lcuk: A midget will not be able to lift n900 Jan 02 14:56:33 lcuk: And a normal guy will find the screen tiny =) Jan 02 14:56:34 At least Ubuntu and OSX work just like that Jan 02 14:56:47 midgets in space could get round geoffries tubes tho Jan 02 14:57:04 so it has its benefits either way Jan 02 14:57:19 * RST38h idly wonders why no new StarTrek soap in a while Jan 02 14:57:29 they said they were resting Jan 02 14:57:41 Some in peace, already... Jan 02 14:57:46 brennan n braga killed it with wussy stuff Jan 02 14:58:15 * lcuk still shakes head @ theme "song" in enterprise Jan 02 14:58:50 lcuk: resting? william shatner sounded like he's been running after his breath for the past 3 decades Jan 02 14:59:58 ouch, looks like that one didn't go to well eh :P No comeback? Jan 02 15:00:28 sorry, stuck on planet with no comms Jan 02 15:00:44 * RST38h wants StarTrek crew go the full way and finally show that StarTrek and Starship Troopers universes are in fact the same Jan 02 15:01:40 * RST38h has seen glimpses in some StarTrek episodes: military with phasers at each corner of the homeworld, rationing, etc. But it really requires a revelation. Jan 02 15:01:41 Cap'n, we're being overrun by bugs! --Fire all phasers leftenant smith (hang on, that's star wars) Jan 02 15:05:52 * Arkenoi finds it quite disturbing that even my old symbian phone could act as AP with NAT while n900 cannot Jan 02 15:06:09 oh ffs Jan 02 15:06:11 N900 probably can just requires some coercing Jan 02 15:06:27 Arkenoi: Could you do something for me? Jan 02 15:06:27 could people please shut up about *my old phone did this, but the n900 doesn't, fail* already? Jan 02 15:06:41 RST38h, what? Jan 02 15:06:45 Arkenoi: tar -cvzf ru-xkb.tgz /usr/share/X11/xkb ? Jan 02 15:06:52 Arkenoi: and mail it to me? Jan 02 15:07:02 ok, wait Jan 02 15:07:02 I mean seriously, you're comparing a brand new operating system, that is months old, with things that have been developed by corporations over years? Jan 02 15:07:05 hi Jan 02 15:07:10 Actually, tgz the whole /usr/share/X11 Jan 02 15:07:12 is "Till Harbaum" here? Jan 02 15:07:31 He is comparing Linux with Symbian. Symbian winning is not a good sign. Jan 02 15:07:34 Maintainer of the maep package? Jan 02 15:07:52 found a problem in his debian/rules.. Jan 02 15:08:08 thopiekar: the email line in the debian file is there for a reason Jan 02 15:08:28 thopiekar: also, firstname@lastname.org Jan 02 15:09:22 crashanddie: hmm I could say him very fast what the problem is, when he would be online here.. Jan 02 15:09:30 but ok crashanddie Jan 02 15:09:59 RST38h: I don't think it has anything to do with the OS... linux can act as an AP with NAT if the wifi chip and the driver supports it... same would probably be required for whatever symbian runs on Jan 02 15:10:12 RST38h: but the n900's wifi chip don't support ap mode, I hear Jan 02 15:11:08 http://aussenlager.namespace.at/pix/0727b1c2f97b5fd3656495c75bb66a1efcd3e50b.jpg Jan 02 15:12:10 Uh, can someone help me out? I have wrecked my apt-transport-https .deb... I can't install it again via apt-get, because, well, it is missing. Can anyone apt-get --download only it for me and make it available or repack it or something so I can get it running again? :) Jan 02 15:12:51 RST38h, got it? Jan 02 15:14:28 Arkenoi: yep Jan 02 15:16:45 my Symbian phone (N95) can't do AP mode either, by the way Jan 02 15:17:36 I can run NAT software on it, but then it can only do adhoc, not ap Jan 02 15:17:52 and the n900 can definitely do that too Jan 02 15:18:39 n900 can do, n900 can do with a bit of shell, and n900 can do out of the box with the stock firmware and no addons and an averagely skilled user are very different things. Jan 02 15:19:25 if I find the N900 online for $320, is it a scam? Jan 02 15:19:44 Arkenoi: Shit. It is exactly the same =( Jan 02 15:20:12 luke-jr: no, of course not. Jan 02 15:20:36 luke-jr: Verify that your credit card will stand behind the purchase if the vendor does not deliver. Jan 02 15:22:11 jebba: er, apt won't let me download a package I have installed, and I have no package-building clue, but I can give you the file that looks like it'll make apt do https? Jan 02 15:23:07 jebba: http://bsd.dsl.shagged.org/~chris/tmp/https drop that into /usr/lib/apt/methods/https and try recovering the package :) Jan 02 15:23:28 (rest of the package is just docs anyway) Jan 02 15:25:27 Caesium: checking thx! Jan 02 15:26:08 looks like it's just a binary https fetcher that apt calls to do it's work Jan 02 15:29:25 Caesium: seems to work, but i don't think i can reinstall the package. What does "dpkg -S /usr/lib/apt/methods/https" give you? Jan 02 15:29:37 Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/apt/lists# dpkg -S /usr/lib/apt/methods/https Jan 02 15:29:37 apt-transport-https: /usr/lib/apt/methods/https Jan 02 15:29:43 I found that with dpkg -L apt-transport-https Jan 02 15:29:56 can you not now apt-get -d install apt-transport-https Jan 02 15:30:02 then maybe move that https out of the way Jan 02 15:30:08 E: Package apt-transport-https has no installation candidate Jan 02 15:30:09 and apt-get install apt-transport-https which will use the local copy? Jan 02 15:30:12 when i tried to install it. Jan 02 15:30:32 anyway, it is using the https binary i think, but i just can't get the actual package. Jan 02 15:31:06 ya, working, but no apt-transport-https deb available (?!) Jan 02 15:31:17 your sources.list didn't get nuked did it? :) Jan 02 15:31:20 no Jan 02 15:31:37 omg! properly the craziest ./configure file ever! it's modifing the debian/* file ! Jan 02 15:31:41 i'm grabbing this right now, for instance (for qstardict): Jan 02 15:31:41 Get:3 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libqt4-xml 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo4+0m5 [114kB] Jan 02 15:31:44 I can't find a way to force apt to download a deb it already has installed or I'd just give you the deb Jan 02 15:32:01 I really hope that the Maintainer of maep will fix that! Jan 02 15:32:03 jebba, you need the scratchbox apt https module/thingy Jan 02 15:32:17 * thopiekar just wrote the email.. Jan 02 15:32:48 oh ya, i did build that already ahhaha Jan 02 15:32:49 i'm getting old Jan 02 15:32:51 morning Jan 02 15:33:00 http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/apt/freemoe/ Jan 02 15:34:54 i need a little help building something that requires Python in the scratchbox Jan 02 15:35:16 I can't install python-dev, so I downloaded the source of the python package I haave Jan 02 15:35:20 and build it Jan 02 15:35:29 but I still can't build off of it Jan 02 15:36:52 Ahahaha Jan 02 15:37:01 WiFi password is stored as open text in gconf :) Jan 02 15:42:17 ext_kb_model = nokiasu8w Jan 02 15:44:41 RST38h: It alays has been. Jan 02 15:44:50 *always Jan 02 15:44:53 Arkenoi: If you are still around, could you please do ' gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod' for me? Jan 02 15:44:56 heya derf Jan 02 15:45:15 Arkenoi: I am trying to make Fremantle think it has got cyrillic keyboard Jan 02 15:45:16 Moo. Jan 02 15:45:36 Hooray for rhetoric fail on Talk Jan 02 15:45:50 Because mighty UX designers for Nokia seem to think that we are not supposed to switch languages on English keyboards Jan 02 15:46:55 <|R> Is blueMaemo optified? :) Jan 02 15:47:02 Oh shit email passwords are stored as open text too! Jan 02 15:47:13 what would you expect? Jan 02 15:47:27 security by obscurity probably Jan 02 15:47:38 MODEST. Jan 02 15:47:44 The name is MODEST. Jan 02 15:48:23 If the user can install and run tcpdump, what's the point of encryption Jan 02 15:48:38 btw, I still ponder wheter to tell those tmoers how to use the fmtx with headphones. is it safe? why doesn't nokia allow it? Jan 02 15:48:51 javispedro, FCC Jan 02 15:48:53 well, the imap login could use something other than plaintext?:) Jan 02 15:49:00 pop3 and imap can both use ssl too? Jan 02 15:49:13 GAN900: ah, thanks. Jan 02 15:49:33 * javispedro thinks the fmtx is basically useless without headphones Jan 02 15:49:39 * GAN900 wishes somebody would 'splain the insanity in the firmware thread. Jan 02 15:50:06 on the other side, I have to remember to tell fmradio's author that I want to be able to use it _without_ headphones ;) Jan 02 15:50:38 javispedro, and get a signal how? Jan 02 15:50:47 javis: not possible, it uses the wire as antenna Jan 02 15:50:54 external antenna Jan 02 15:51:03 python2.5-dev: Depends: python2.5 (= 2.5.2-11.1maemo3+0m5) but 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed Jan 02 15:51:04 that is what headphones are Jan 02 15:51:09 littttttttttle help Jan 02 15:51:12 wireless external antenna ;) Jan 02 15:51:22 fail. Jan 02 15:51:22 a big metal column at ~2 meters Jan 02 15:51:25 does wonders Jan 02 15:51:42 especially if someone uses it for grounding =) Jan 02 15:51:53 :) Jan 02 15:51:58 Where, exactly, is that Nokia newfound-focus on apps? While Apple's iPhone offers thousands and many are found for the Android phones, Nokia's offering its new N900 cell phone/internet tablet and Maemo 5.0 with current offerings of about 100 apps. Jan 02 15:52:05 Is he idiot, or what? Jan 02 15:52:17 also, in some places I can get good enough reception without headphones Jan 02 15:52:20 does the fm transmitter also use the headphone line as antenna? hope so Jan 02 15:52:22 e.g. on the wild Jan 02 15:52:23 But looks like it is quite widespread kind of idiocy Jan 02 15:52:51 wackl: it does, though the fcc doesn't allow the default sw to use it Jan 02 15:52:55 wackl, no, that would violate FCC regulations. Jan 02 15:53:12 javispedro, put it more accurately. Jan 02 15:53:18 Arkenoi, Jan 02 15:53:26 nm Jan 02 15:53:38 why cant i charge my device whilst fmtxing Jan 02 15:53:38 * b-man17 had a device that used the headphone line as an antenna xD Jan 02 15:53:43 GAN900: I think it depends on wheter you feel like toying or you mean "the device out of the box" :) Jan 02 15:53:44 is my problem atm Jan 02 15:54:08 i had a nearly flat n900 and power from laptop available, but i couldnt tx whilst charging Jan 02 15:54:09 GAN900: so the hardware could use it but it's disabled because the transmit power must be < EIRP (think 10uW here in germany)? Jan 02 15:54:19 lcuk, because the fm signal might leak out your charger and kill your neighbors. Jan 02 15:54:27 im in a car Jan 02 15:54:30 lcuk, wasn't that on bugzilla somewhere? already fixed iirc Jan 02 15:54:32 the only thing near is lions Jan 02 15:54:37 you could kill the lions! Jan 02 15:54:37 AND THEY SHOULD BE DEAD Jan 02 15:54:50 i dunno wolf^ Jan 02 15:54:54 wackl, software lock on it, yes. Jan 02 15:54:57 * lcuk must check Jan 02 15:55:00 well, the usb cable also acts a bit as antenna Jan 02 15:55:11 * lcuk puts n900 into wok Jan 02 15:55:13 in fact even wrapping the thing with a copper wire acts as antenna, to both fmrx and fmtx... Jan 02 15:55:55 anyway gan, i dont have any neighbors here in the uk Jan 02 15:56:02 we have neighbours, but they are different Jan 02 15:56:03 need to do a little experimenting with that. didn't get the transmitter to work with 3 different cars Jan 02 15:56:11 (therefore, using fmtx and charger may violate fcc regulations too) Jan 02 15:56:23 i have a shaky video of me in car with n900 fmtx testing Jan 02 15:56:43 is fcc a US thing? Jan 02 15:56:46 yep Jan 02 15:56:48 yes Jan 02 15:56:58 * lcuk checks if he lives in the us Jan 02 15:57:04 though I'm pretty sure there are more stupid restrictions here Jan 02 15:57:07 nope, quite certain i dont Jan 02 15:57:18 Arkenoi: Ah forget the apps, better do gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod Jan 02 15:57:29 javispedro: a teaser for you: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5422152768188999538 Jan 02 15:57:38 lcuk: OFCOM Jan 02 15:57:47 * Arkenoi wonders why so many assholes out there 1) keep whining about MMS, though they just shut the fuck up 3 years ago when iphone had no MMS and 2) keep whining about ovi store, though there is application manager with download menu Jan 02 15:57:47 ofwat? Jan 02 15:58:11 Stskeeps: lemme guess: touchbook with mbx? Jan 02 15:58:19 * moo-_- wonders why Arkenoi refers people as assholes Jan 02 15:58:21 lcuk: Office of the COMunications regulator. Jan 02 15:58:22 javispedro: well, SGX, but there's our "white problem Jan 02 15:58:22 Arkenoi, mms is rumbling its way through :) from early discussions to now i see great progress Jan 02 15:58:26 lcuk, bug 6792 Jan 02 15:58:28 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected Jan 02 15:58:30 Stskeeps: ah Jan 02 15:58:41 Stskeeps: did you see my latest patch to the bugreport? Jan 02 15:58:44 javispedro: nop, URL? Jan 02 15:58:52 Stskeeps: the logic of it seems wrong if you look at it twice :P, but seems to work Jan 02 15:59:21 * javispedro thinks we need infobot / povbot to search for bugzilla ;) Jan 02 15:59:27 s/for/ Jan 02 15:59:51 bug 4870 Jan 02 15:59:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK Jan 02 15:59:55 https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1890&action=view Jan 02 15:59:59 ah, thanks. Jan 02 16:00:01 moo-_-, because of their inconsistent behavior: when Apple does it, "MMS is not needed", when Nokia does the same, they call it "Nokia just fucked things up with lack of MMS support" Jan 02 16:00:12 * lcuk will use charger only next time,not try to use it in laptop mode Jan 02 16:00:27 thx wolf^ Jan 02 16:00:45 http://shadowfax.dlinkddns.com/nokia.html Jan 02 16:00:54 Stskeeps: with that you don't need any of the other "workarounds" Jan 02 16:00:54 ^^ view with N900 Jan 02 16:00:56 Or similar Jan 02 16:01:07 I would like some feedback on that link please. Jan 02 16:01:13 nice Jan 02 16:01:22 (without n900, sorry) Jan 02 16:01:28 :) Jan 02 16:01:48 and whining "there are just 100 applications" because you are too stupid to add extras and devel fits to being asshole as well Jan 02 16:01:56 No biggie, I just want some feedback on usability, and how it looks on the device. Jan 02 16:02:45 moo-: Because everyone has one, no? Jan 02 16:02:47 Arkenoi: I agree - total Apple fanboiism out there Jan 02 16:02:47 Arkenoi: I'd rather call them "not educated" than assholes... maybe Application manager could make it easier to enable those repos? Jan 02 16:03:10 naah Jan 02 16:03:11 Damn, I can't promote my package due to "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 451" Jan 02 16:03:13 :( Jan 02 16:03:17 jeremiah: looks cool, a bit plain Jan 02 16:03:20 they are clearly not ready for the apple sheep Jan 02 16:03:28 The thing is, there are more apps for the Nokia N900 than for anything else out there because you can fairly easily port everything from debian Jan 02 16:03:38 jeremiah; Does not resize to the browser width Jan 02 16:03:39 RST38h: Thanks - it is meant to be plain for the moment. Jan 02 16:03:41 still too many things to worry about like incompatible packages, or running out of space on root :) Jan 02 16:03:46 jeremiah: Umm - no. Jan 02 16:03:48 jeremiah: But it should resize to the browser width Jan 02 16:03:49 I'll get maemo styling latter. Jan 02 16:03:53 or later. Jan 02 16:03:59 jeremiah: once those apps are ported, it's fair enough to say that, but... Jan 02 16:04:02 people will be ignorant to the end of the world... if they cannot find some information then maybe the information should be more well presented Jan 02 16:04:14 jeremiah: etc Jan 02 16:04:19 okay Jan 02 16:04:24 But there is no table. Jan 02 16:04:34 Stskeeps: I still need to do more research on that, but that should work on LE platforms for now. Still don't know what causes the white, though. Jan 02 16:04:43 moo-: Well, you could have found that "more well" is broken English, but you did not Jan 02 16:04:45 SpeedEvil just the guy I wanted to see Jan 02 16:04:53 And it resizes for me if I just click on it. Jan 02 16:05:01 moo-: Was that information presented to you insufficiently well at some point? Jan 02 16:05:06 are you familiar with developing with Python.h Jan 02 16:05:08 jeremiah, actually when iPhone was just out new, i blogged an entry describing its misfeatures and stating HTC or Nokia could get lynched for releasing such a castrate to the public, and the *only* reason people swallowed it is that it was Apple Jan 02 16:05:13 jeremiah; Make it a table Jan 02 16:05:16 RST38h: no, but on the other hand I have 15 years of developer experience Jan 02 16:05:28 RST38h: if people complain it maybe then there is a reason for the complaint? Jan 02 16:05:38 RST38h: No interest in going back to web standards from 1996 Jan 02 16:05:38 moo-: A lot of people complain for the sake of complaining Jan 02 16:05:48 jeremiah: TABLE works. Everywhere. Jan 02 16:05:59 I repeat. Jan 02 16:06:06 RST38h: well in this case... Does the application manager tell anyhow there could be more applications available? Jan 02 16:06:08 jeremiah: So, I do not see why be snobbish about it Jan 02 16:06:10 jeremiah: how bout
s? Jan 02 16:06:10 RST38h: but it's not javascript or css, or ... Jan 02 16:06:14 well, though i think having extras and devel configured, just disabled by default could be reasonable Jan 02 16:06:29 kamui2: no. Jan 02 16:06:35 kamui2: sorry. Jan 02 16:06:36 * frals bashes his head against utf8 and iso-8859-1 Jan 02 16:06:37 * RST38h publicly sticks css where sun does not shine Jan 02 16:06:38 RST38h, is it rendering ok with no glitches? Jan 02 16:06:38 RST38h: also I assume your english parser is more fault tolerant than strict XML Jan 02 16:06:43 lcuk: yea Jan 02 16:06:52 joppu: Maybe I should add one. Jan 02 16:07:04 But I don't really see the need Jan 02 16:07:11 I mean, all I want is a form and CSS Jan 02 16:07:18 So it loads fast Jan 02 16:07:23 * lcuk orders a team of nubile masseures to frals house Jan 02 16:07:29 RST38h: Now it is you who is being snobbish Jan 02 16:07:51 it should be XForms! it should use a Java Applet for client-side validation! Jan 02 16:08:14 * jeremiah smacks javispedro with a moldy IE Jan 02 16:08:28 server side blink FTW Jan 02 16:08:33 it works well enough, only I have to agree that the fields need to be resizable Jan 02 16:08:34 nowdays an average web page is several hundred kb long and it looks exactly the same one could do with 10kb page 10 years ago Jan 02 16:08:37 they're too small now. Jan 02 16:08:42 (testing on n900 now) Jan 02 16:08:50 the entire form only fits when in fullscreen Jan 02 16:09:18 and Description should be a textbox, depending on what kind of description you have in mind :) Jan 02 16:09:20 and there are damn too many scripts - and nothing breaks if i just disable it with noscript Jan 02 16:09:48 javispedro: Yeah, you're right about text box Jan 02 16:09:53 javispedro: Good feedback. Jan 02 16:09:55 (and if it does, it is just poorly implemented page, not some vital features requiring js) Jan 02 16:10:40 text size bigger Jan 02 16:10:47 lcuk: Bigger! Jan 02 16:10:50 It is huge Jan 02 16:10:56 whats huge? Jan 02 16:10:57 Oh well, I'll make it bigger Jan 02 16:11:00 22pt Jan 02 16:11:02 the label says PUT STUFF HERE Jan 02 16:11:03 Arkenoi: And it makes compression impossible. Jan 02 16:11:12 and the text itself is like magnifying glassish Jan 02 16:11:18 eh? Jan 02 16:11:32 the captions for the items is big Jan 02 16:11:38 but the text in the textbox is tiny Jan 02 16:11:41 and uneditable Jan 02 16:11:48 * lcuk can barely read it :$ Jan 02 16:12:00 yep Jan 02 16:12:17 ah! Jan 02 16:12:21 I have to change that Jan 02 16:12:23 thanks Jan 02 16:12:28 You guys rock. Jan 02 16:12:34 Every single one of you. Jan 02 16:13:13 I was just thinking about the ITP the other day :) Jan 02 16:13:14 hi guys Jan 02 16:13:26 good job Jan 02 16:13:28 does anyone know about a facebook app on the way for n900? Jan 02 16:13:30 :S Jan 02 16:13:33 Actually - ebay has gotten slightly better in terms of page sizre than it last was. Jan 02 16:13:57 jeremiah: No, just being a careful old fart Jan 02 16:14:13 s/careful/persnickety/ Jan 02 16:14:22 :P Jan 02 16:14:26 jeremiah: You are making me google for it =) Jan 02 16:14:28 oh - my mistake, it's gotten worse on most pages Jan 02 16:14:31 w00t Jan 02 16:14:58 extras devel changed? do i need to change it manually? Jan 02 16:15:10 so i got this lgpl library here ive modified slightly.. i can just append myself to authors and redistribute it right? Jan 02 16:15:13 jeremiah: http://tinypic.com/m/6xw7bq/2 Jan 02 16:15:15 jeremiah: Wrong word choice. Jan 02 16:15:23 jeremiah: 'Cause it is no small detail Jan 02 16:15:49 joppu: Thanks. Jan 02 16:16:04 int_kb_layout = ru Jan 02 16:16:04 heh, from your link I can buy a skateboard with that image Jan 02 16:16:05 damn, copied the indirect link, sorry Jan 02 16:16:08 that may do it Jan 02 16:16:08 Just what I want. Jan 02 16:18:23 http://bit.ly/6tJPuN Jan 02 16:18:31 slide-layout = Russian/Latin Jan 02 16:18:35 Let us try THAT Jan 02 16:18:37 ^^ Thanks joppu - I am going to now buy this hat Jan 02 16:21:15 :P Jan 02 16:23:01 HURRAH! I GOT SECOND LAYOUT WORKING Jan 02 16:23:45 this is fucked Jan 02 16:23:48 forked Jan 02 16:24:06 why is getting the python dev headers so freeking hard Jan 02 16:24:56 Ok, I lost arrows in the process but so fucking what Jan 02 16:29:27 First theme for Fremantle! Rejoice! Jan 02 16:29:28 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/reflect/ Jan 02 16:29:52 Also 203 karma, does this make a real developer? :P Jan 02 16:29:56 well i guess Jan 02 16:30:03 joppu: More screenshots? Jan 02 16:30:45 Stskeeps: Is there a way to take global control of Ctrl+Space? Jan 02 16:31:05 RST38h: soon Jan 02 16:33:57 joppu: Taking requests? =) Jan 02 16:34:09 joppu: license of theme btw? Jan 02 16:35:41 timeless: do you know how to talk to the gsm chip directly on the n900? Jan 02 16:36:40 xorAxAx: take a look at cellmo-icpr82-headers Jan 02 16:36:40 * RST38h feels like Dr Evil finally getting his doomsday weapon finished Jan 02 16:36:59 Stskeeps: whats that? a package? Jan 02 16:37:02 xorAxAx: yes Jan 02 16:37:06 xorAxAx: it's in nokia-binaries Jan 02 16:37:24 xorAxAx: n900 gsm chip uses ISI protocol, there's some support in ofono already. Jan 02 16:37:45 PaulFertser: is there a kind of shell? Jan 02 16:38:02 gconftool-2 --set --type=string /apps/osso/inputmethod/intkb_layout ru Jan 02 16:38:22 This will immediately turn the cyrillic layout on. No need to do any extra switching. Jan 02 16:38:55 Now, if I figure out a way to take over Ctrl+Space, I am all done: cyrillics will start working on Euro-1 N900s Jan 02 16:39:06 hah, //In case of problems concerning content of this file contact Markku Loukusa, Sauli Laukka or Markus Mrsky Jan 02 16:39:43 xorAxAx: pnatd ? Jan 02 16:40:21 PaulFertser: i wonder if it gives me netmon functionality Jan 02 16:41:34 PaulFertser: is ISI documented somewhere? Jan 02 16:41:52 xorAxAx: not publicly. ofono was going to provide a free software implementation though. Jan 02 16:42:27 xorAxAx: those headers are ISI headers Jan 02 16:42:36 Stskeeps: i saw Jan 02 16:42:48 ofono may give clues how to use it though Jan 02 16:42:49 hum can anyone suggest an email client which is nicely integrated with the maemo 5 UI? Jan 02 16:42:59 Is there some person responsible for the web package management? I'm running into some nasty error pages :( Jan 02 16:43:20 Stskeeps: what is ofono? Jan 02 16:43:28 xorAxAx: google is your friend Jan 02 16:43:40 when I format /dev/mmcblk0p1 as ext3, can it then still be accessed as mass storage (under linux) Jan 02 16:43:45 papo: Claws Jan 02 16:44:03 papo: May not be as nicely integrated as Modest but at least it works. Jan 02 16:44:09 Stskeeps: does the n900 use ofono? Jan 02 16:44:21 how does the mass storage mechanism work? Is it described somewhere? Jan 02 16:44:33 joppu: web package management is fucked up. Jan 02 16:44:37 xorAxAx: no Jan 02 16:44:51 joppu: probably will not be fixed unless someone new works on it. Jan 02 16:45:04 Stskeeps: how is the gsm chip called that is being used in the n900? Jan 02 16:45:18 xorAxAx: nokia's own Jan 02 16:45:34 (afaik) Jan 02 16:46:34 RST38h: Will this be fixed when the servers have been moved? I'm currently unable to anything in extras-devel. Jan 02 16:46:51 volunteer for helping out? Jan 02 16:46:52 :P Jan 02 16:47:00 im about to murder something Jan 02 16:47:03 joppu: My guess is no Jan 02 16:47:12 why is Python so difficult to work wwwith Jan 02 16:47:19 kamui: go for someone! need any candidates? Jan 02 16:47:28 yea Jan 02 16:47:40 whoever packaged pyhthon-dev Jan 02 16:47:50 PaulFertser: do you know how the gsm chip is called? Jan 02 16:48:09 'cellmo' would be a good guess Jan 02 16:48:10 :P Jan 02 16:48:11 xorAxAx: no idea, sorry. Jan 02 16:48:22 maybe its in lspci or lsusb Jan 02 16:48:26 or dmesg Jan 02 16:48:31 can somebody check? Jan 02 16:48:41 it uses Phonet maybe Jan 02 16:49:07 RST38h: So is there anything I am able to do? Try to upload the package again? Jan 02 16:50:14 joppu: Depends on they way in which it is fucked up. Could you give me the URL and tell me what you are trying to do? Jan 02 16:50:47 "Stskeeps: volunteer for helping out?" with the servers? Jan 02 16:52:01 RST38h: I'm tryin to promote this to testing but all I get is the PHP timeout error: Jan 02 16:52:04 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/reflect/0.75-1 Jan 02 16:52:28 ok Jan 02 16:52:52 It's working, but if I log in it just gives the error Jan 02 16:53:15 yea, it is pretty dead Jan 02 16:54:14 joppu: this is where outages are reported: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818 Jan 02 16:54:15 Bug 5818: We need servers Jan 02 16:54:48 joppu: happens to me on some packages... try at different hours Jan 02 16:54:59 i just gave up Jan 02 16:55:47 joppu: promoting to -testing? Jan 02 16:56:09 RST38h: Trying, thank you Jan 02 16:56:40 RST38h: ya, it times out all the time. Similar to when you try to vote karma for a package. Jan 02 16:57:33 naah, nothing I can do, none of the tricks work Jan 02 16:57:56 joppu: Catch X-Fade. Whine. Whine. Whine some more. Jan 02 16:58:05 What happened on "November/December 2007" :P Jan 02 16:58:30 Some long past clusterfuck? Jan 02 16:59:14 the world ended. Jan 02 17:01:20 I need a hint guys: inside fremantle repo Jan 02 17:01:26 there are a lot of apps Jan 02 17:01:36 which name starts by "Hildon" Jan 02 17:01:39 what does it mean? Jan 02 17:02:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon Jan 02 17:03:24 joppu, maemo 4 came out Jan 02 17:03:27 n810 Jan 02 17:03:45 thanks Javispedro Jan 02 17:03:53 should I install this on n900 Jan 02 17:04:02 what? Jan 02 17:04:08 hildon is already installed. Jan 02 17:04:09 or will it mess around and force me into a format Jan 02 17:04:26 if it's installed why does it show up isnide app manager? Jan 02 17:04:31 now I'm confused... Jan 02 17:04:38 what's the exact name of what's showing up inside the app manager? Jan 02 17:04:46 1 min Jan 02 17:05:30 hildon-application-manager-|10n-zhhk Jan 02 17:05:47 hildon-common-strings-|10n-zhhk Jan 02 17:05:50 the l10n packages are translations to different languages Jan 02 17:06:35 so, ALL Hildon |10n packs are translations? Jan 02 17:07:03 L. it's an L. Jan 02 17:07:08 L10N = localization. Jan 02 17:07:08 I got it....it's written bellow the app "language files..."... Jan 02 17:07:16 my bad Jan 02 17:07:19 :) Jan 02 17:07:25 obrigado andre Jan 02 17:08:04 another silly question Jan 02 17:08:09 when I install an app Jan 02 17:08:19 will it install all necessary libraries Jan 02 17:08:20 * lcuk releases a wholesome and rewarding burp upon the unsuspecting world Jan 02 17:08:33 yes Jan 02 17:08:34 or do I have to install each dependency by hand? Jan 02 17:08:39 no Jan 02 17:09:27 * javispedro is starting to seriously hate cmake Jan 02 17:12:47 Sir_Lancelot, turn off Red Pill mode. . . . Jan 02 17:13:06 Red Pill ?? Jan 02 17:13:30 ehehehe Jan 02 17:14:23 what's the meaning of Red Pill? Jan 02 17:14:49 anyone know if board-rx51-camera.c is the front camera or the back camera or both? Jan 02 17:15:08 Sir_Lancelot: The Matrix reference Jan 02 17:15:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode Jan 02 17:16:28 Matrix reference?.. you guys all in code... ehehehe Jan 02 17:16:36 jebba: no, the website :p Jan 02 17:16:39 thanks joppu. I understood now Jan 02 17:16:43 ;) Jan 02 17:18:01 wow. even if i do get blender to build, im a little concerned now about the lack of an fpu on the n900 Jan 02 17:18:31 "lack"? Jan 02 17:18:36 where is pupnik when you need him Jan 02 17:19:02 Once I was IRCing, terminal colors naturally set to green-black. Some random dude came over to comment "Pretty cool Matrix screensaver you got there" :D Jan 02 17:19:03 there are two theoretically, the vfp3 lite and the neon one. Jan 02 17:19:19 ~seen pupnik Jan 02 17:19:21 pupnik was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 24m 47s ago, saying: 'bbl'. Jan 02 17:19:24 meh Jan 02 17:19:29 It was just irssi :( Jan 02 17:19:31 Sir_Lancelot, you shouldn't be seeing hildon packages unless you're doing something screwy. Jan 02 17:19:51 I haven't changed nothing... Jan 02 17:19:52 :S Jan 02 17:20:02 I just added catalogs Jan 02 17:20:04 and that's it Jan 02 17:20:19 GAN900: Someone has spammed devel with some translation files Jan 02 17:20:35 joppu, in user/*? Jan 02 17:20:41 I don't wanna see stuff which n900 doesn't support Jan 02 17:20:45 KamuiN900: it can run 3d games and you think it lacks fpu features? Jan 02 17:21:11 Sir_Lancelot, then remove Extras-devel from your catalog. Jan 02 17:21:28 GAN900: yeah, how smart is that Jan 02 17:21:39 I thought that extras-devel would show up only fremantle apps Jan 02 17:21:55 yes, but ones that will eat your n900 :p Jan 02 17:22:15 joppu, ah, I see. Jan 02 17:22:54 Sir_Lancelot, Extras-devel isn't anywhere anybody who's not either extremely adventurous or a developer should be playing. Jan 02 17:23:59 GAN900: http://i50.tinypic.com/2eygl4y.jpg Like 1/8 of the "All" category is these :| Jan 02 17:24:26 oh Jan 02 17:24:30 that suits me perfectly Jan 02 17:24:59 How does one take screenshots? Jan 02 17:25:06 load-applet lets you do it Jan 02 17:25:11 Ctrl+shift+p Jan 02 17:25:11 (Sorry, to lazy to look it up.) Jan 02 17:25:16 Thanks! Jan 02 17:25:20 shift ctrl p Jan 02 17:25:21 'eat your n900' is somewhat unlikely for a non malicious app. Jan 02 17:25:22 ctrl+shift+p Jan 02 17:25:29 Eat all your contacts isn't. Jan 02 17:25:29 FIQ beat you lcuk Jan 02 17:25:33 ..and i don't even own a device yet. :3 Jan 02 17:25:35 indeed Jan 02 17:25:42 heeehe Jan 02 17:25:47 ~FIQ++ Jan 02 17:25:53 FIQ++ Jan 02 17:26:02 cool, didn't know about that keycombo Jan 02 17:26:04 fiq just bein smug :p Jan 02 17:26:04 karma ~FIQ Jan 02 17:26:09 Caesium: So bloated with all the unusable buttons :( Jan 02 17:26:13 infobot karma ~FIQ Jan 02 17:26:13 ~fiq has neutral karma Jan 02 17:26:18 ~karma FIQ Jan 02 17:26:18 no hardware ctrl though, so you can't do it without onscreen keyboard? Jan 02 17:26:18 pff Jan 02 17:26:18 fiq has karma of 1 Jan 02 17:26:27 :) Jan 02 17:26:42 how does the hildon app mgr react to conflicts in conffiles? Jan 02 17:26:45 ~karma joppu Jan 02 17:26:45 joppu has neutral karma Jan 02 17:26:50 :) Jan 02 17:26:52 badly? Jan 02 17:26:59 joppu++ Jan 02 17:27:10 (for help done previousl) Jan 02 17:27:25 jebba: I think both. the smia-sensor driver is for the second cam (vs6555). Jan 02 17:27:26 Caesium, control is the upper left key on the keyboard. . . . Jan 02 17:27:35 d'oh Jan 02 17:27:37 I'm blind :) Jan 02 17:27:47 caesium-- Jan 02 17:28:08 Caesium++ Jan 02 17:28:14 for saying d'oh Jan 02 17:28:16 can't believe I didn't see that, I've been using theonscreen ctrl in xterm all the time Jan 02 17:28:17 jaremiah++++ Jan 02 17:28:24 jeremiah++++ Jan 02 17:28:32 him too Jan 02 17:28:41 does not let do +n or ++++ Jan 02 17:28:45 RST38h++ Jan 02 17:28:51 ~karma joppu Jan 02 17:28:51 joppu has neutral karma Jan 02 17:28:55 For being so . . . RST38hish Jan 02 17:28:59 ~[nick name]++ Jan 02 17:29:15 without the ~ infobot's not listening Jan 02 17:29:16 javispedro: so what if I /nick sue ? Jan 02 17:29:18 ~cookie Jan 02 17:29:20 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds x+gpm... see gpm+x Jan 02 17:29:22 ~RST38h++ Jan 02 17:29:28 or /nick cookie for that matter Jan 02 17:29:28 NEWSFLASH: Esc in terminal is actually Alt! Jan 02 17:29:35 ~Caesium++ Jan 02 17:29:37 ~karma RST38h Jan 02 17:29:38 rst38h has karma of 2 Jan 02 17:29:42 joppu, you mean oldsflash? Jan 02 17:29:42 joppy: Yeah? Jan 02 17:29:44 ~karma joppu Jan 02 17:29:44 joppu has neutral karma Jan 02 17:29:51 ~joppu++ Jan 02 17:29:54 ~karma joppu Jan 02 17:29:55 joppu has karma of 1 Jan 02 17:30:06 w00t Jan 02 17:30:19 inz: for me it was :/ Jan 02 17:30:22 ~inz-- Jan 02 17:30:27 Interesting Jan 02 17:30:30 :( Jan 02 17:30:43 ~karma inz Jan 02 17:30:43 inz has neutral karma Jan 02 17:30:54 ~sue-- Jan 02 17:30:55 ~FIQ-- Jan 02 17:30:55 ~karma FIQ Jan 02 17:30:55 ~FIQ++ Jan 02 17:30:55 ~karma FIQ Jan 02 17:30:56 fiq has karma of 1 Jan 02 17:31:14 ~cookie++ Jan 02 17:31:24 RST38h: there's your answer. Jan 02 17:31:30 pH5_: cool thx. Looks like they've done a bit of work on it, hopefully front camera will be working soon... Jan 02 17:31:37 ~*++ Jan 02 17:32:04 * javispedro ponders.. Jan 02 17:32:22 in the usual packageX and packageX-data split, is the conffile inside the packageX, or inside packageX-data Jan 02 17:32:38 theoretically it is a "arch: all" file, but is also the conffile for the binary, not for the data... Jan 02 17:33:36 data. Jan 02 17:34:27 damn Jan 02 17:34:40 how do you write a tilde on the n900 Jan 02 17:34:47 javis: ah! Jan 02 17:34:50 KamuiN900: btw, Blender won't work unless you magically remove the OpenGL dependency Jan 02 17:35:17 javispedro, Jan 02 17:35:18 or Jan 02 17:35:18 or Jan 02 17:35:25 how about a software renderer Jan 02 17:35:41 I've already built Mesa successfully. Jan 02 17:36:15 so I don't think any magic is needed. Jan 02 17:36:46 no, that's not magic indeed. just slow :) Jan 02 17:37:22 actually, it runs fine on muchh slower pocketpcs Jan 02 17:37:33 so I think l be ok if I can get past the python dep Jan 02 17:37:39 we'll Jan 02 17:37:40 not l Jan 02 17:38:07 so if you have any insite on that portion, it would greatly help push the port forward Jan 02 17:38:09 blender on a 240x320 pocketpc? Jan 02 17:38:22 yea Jan 02 17:38:36 works fine, a bit cramped, I used to use it on my vga htc exec Jan 02 17:38:40 and it was very useful Jan 02 17:38:59 was't as nice on my tilt though Jan 02 17:39:18 but we have plenty realestate, and theeee 2.5 alpha intttterface is much better Jan 02 17:39:23 kvm is acting up again Jan 02 18:00:26 hm. I have a very large IMAP account and modest always reports 0 messages. Is this a known bug? I've seen it several times on t.m.o but can't find a bug report for it Jan 02 18:01:49 it might report more if you enter the folder and wait sufficiently many eternities Jan 02 18:03:27 ok let's try that Jan 02 18:03:42 I've determined that 15 minutes often suffice for me... I switched to Claws mail, works better Jan 02 18:03:55 Whoa. http://www.maemory.com/N900/ Jan 02 18:05:03 no reason to wait for modest when claws can update in a fraction of the time Jan 02 18:07:46 villager: Hm. If I wait a couple of minutes in the folder view, the correct number of unread emails appear Jan 02 18:08:22 villager: however, if I open that folder, the circle-thing at the top spins for a while, then stops and instead of the emails, I get "(No Messages)" Jan 02 18:09:22 then you have to wait a few minutes more while it's downloading something Jan 02 18:09:30 I think Jan 02 18:09:35 wait, it stopped spinning? Jan 02 18:09:54 yes exactly Jan 02 18:10:26 what is that maemory stuff?? Jan 02 18:10:43 villager: and while spinning, I did du -s /home/user several times but the number never changed Jan 02 18:12:25 I doubt it actually ever caches anything in the folders to disk Jan 02 18:12:32 too slow for that to be the case Jan 02 18:13:17 hum ok Jan 02 18:13:22 well, I've never had it say no messages after it stopped spinning without the folder actually being empty, so don't know Jan 02 18:13:35 too bad the exchange sync thing fails as well... :( Jan 02 18:14:43 Anyone can tell me what dh_maemolauncher is and whether it is necessary? Jan 02 18:14:50 so yeah, I recommend using Claws until modest gets better Jan 02 18:14:53 Is there a way to ge teh phonje desktop exported over X? Jan 02 18:15:03 villager: Hm ok Jan 02 18:15:07 The whole desktop. Jan 02 18:15:12 Ideally not using VNC Jan 02 18:15:19 villager: Just ran modest in debug mode and before it stops spinning, I get Jan 02 18:15:22 CamelException.setv(0x40a23d98, 308, 'Unexpected response from IMAP server: UID 2271)') Jan 02 18:15:38 tcpdump it Jan 02 18:15:43 see what it's choking on Jan 02 18:15:48 or strace Jan 02 18:17:33 SpeedEvil: actually I think the whole IMAP traffic is outputted to the console, so no need for sniffing Jan 02 18:17:49 papo: ah - fair enough Jan 02 18:18:13 SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/m4def9cc0 FYI Jan 02 18:19:34 :'( I cloned the jffs to the internal mmc, also installed the boot loader, but the booloader failed to load it Jan 02 18:20:46 I'm using fanoush' init thingie, I'm not sure it can boot from ext3, hmm Jan 02 18:30:53 SpeedEvil: Maemo GTK apps do some magic to X so it's dead slow (too many roundtrips) Jan 02 18:31:03 VNC is better even for single apps Jan 02 18:31:28 javis: Looks like your Vultures package has been marinating in -Devel for a while Jan 02 18:31:30 hey Jan 02 18:31:32 Promoted to extras Jan 02 18:31:32 oh well. Jan 02 18:31:34 thanks Jan 02 18:31:38 so it seems the n900 is shipping now? Jan 02 18:31:57 SpeedEvil: the alternative is NX, I played with it on N810 but building it is a mess Jan 02 18:32:32 (btw my guess is that the cause of the slowness is sapwood) Jan 02 18:34:31 is there an easier way to scroll in gftp? some sort of shortcut for page up/down? Jan 02 18:35:26 ~shortcuts Jan 02 18:35:27 somebody said shortcuts was http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures Jan 02 18:35:33 aha Jan 02 18:35:33 maybe? Jan 02 18:35:45 is there any way to figure out why the bootloader is failing to boot from the internal mmc? Jan 02 18:37:37 heh, cool http://code.google.com/p/storageusage/ Jan 02 18:42:23 finally got trackpoing working on this ibm spacesaver keyboard and it is *so* worth it Jan 02 18:42:40 slashdot.org: MicroB -- 15 seconds, Fennec rc1 -- 40 seconds Jan 02 18:43:05 engadget.com: MicroB -- 18 seconds, Fennec rc1 -- 120+ seconds Jan 02 18:43:46 RST38h: is it running out of RAM and swapping? Jan 02 18:43:52 RST38h: or is it just CPU hog Jan 02 18:43:56 Who knows? Who cares... Jan 02 18:44:02 It is a memory hog indeed Jan 02 18:44:34 where'd you get it? Jan 02 18:44:40 official repo Jan 02 18:44:49 ? Jan 02 18:44:55 actually, the numbers come from a different source, but I can confirm them Jan 02 18:45:03 official repo Jan 02 18:45:39 apt-get install fenec does nothing Jan 02 18:45:48 dolfun: I want one of those. Jan 02 18:45:52 official FENNEC repo Jan 02 18:45:57 Currently keyboard is under hte covers and toasty warm. Jan 02 18:46:07 For hte mouse I need to move out intot he cold. Jan 02 18:46:15 * SpeedEvil is in bed. Jan 02 18:46:40 there's a guy in florida with non-clickey ones for about 40 bux SpeedEvil Jan 02 18:47:19 dolfun: yeah - well - that's a problem - international shipping. L:/ Jan 02 18:47:26 Plus lack of cash currently. Jan 02 18:47:33 yes, shipping, customs Jan 02 18:47:39 doubles cost Jan 02 18:47:45 Hence indirectly the need for it - 5C or so in here. Jan 02 18:49:33 * javispedro decides to leave the autobuilder alone Jan 02 18:49:36 hello javispedro and happy new year Jan 02 18:49:51 takes a lot of time? Jan 02 18:49:54 HNY, dolfun Jan 02 18:50:36 hmm, the end of the line in the bootloader says "N/A" Jan 02 18:51:09 so, partition doesn't exist, cool Jan 02 18:51:17 no, I'm just debugging a issue that manifests only in the diablo autobuilder Jan 02 18:52:04 but every package has 50% of chances to break in the build-dep stage, so. Jan 02 18:52:58 hm Jan 02 18:53:15 cmake is failing to copy a file, and I dunno why. Jan 02 18:53:34 (I even considered ENAMETOOLONG) Jan 02 18:54:11 the stupid buildsystem could printf the errno, dang it. Jan 02 18:54:15 but nooooo. Jan 02 18:54:33 damn Jan 02 18:54:41 crosscompiling innnnntroduces all types oproblems Jan 02 18:55:06 No, build systems introduce problems. Jan 02 18:55:31 http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/ wow. opengl from vnc server or other apps without direct xorg access Jan 02 18:55:32 while mesa built fine in fremantle x86 scratchbox, Im having to struggle through the arm build Jan 02 18:55:37 computers should just display source code and humans should interpret it Jan 02 18:56:10 kamN900: well, no wonder, I'm guessing x86 has been debugged to Hel and back :) Jan 02 18:56:23 kamN900 i don't understand what you are doing with mesa Jan 02 18:56:32 besides learning how to build packages Jan 02 18:56:43 dolfun: http://depot.javispedro.com/vmgl/ for debian lenny Jan 02 18:56:44 dolfun need to build a software rendering build of mesa for blender Jan 02 18:57:29 ah. i hope it doesn't actually try to use it Jan 02 18:58:02 Christ, second cold in two weeks. Jan 02 19:02:31 this is driving me nuts :-( Jan 02 19:02:36 I can't figure out what's wrong Jan 02 19:03:08 i think people complaining about mplayer not playing 820x520 videos are funny Jan 02 19:03:23 someone even complained mencoded did not encode 800x480 stream from camera Jan 02 19:03:27 mencoder Jan 02 19:04:09 i should build folding@home for them Jan 02 19:05:34 what's the advice where to buy a n900? Jan 02 19:07:39 i bought mine from nokia's online shop Jan 02 19:07:51 * corecode blinks Jan 02 19:07:54 hmm Jan 02 19:07:55 arachnist: you're everywhere Jan 02 19:08:23 corecode: i actually thought this was #dragonflybsd when i saw your nick ;> Jan 02 19:08:29 heh Jan 02 19:08:33 different network Jan 02 19:09:24 yes. i realized it's "not here" when your nick missed an @ ;> Jan 02 19:09:36 so you got yours yet? Jan 02 19:09:57 yes, almoast 6 weeks ago Jan 02 19:10:03 o i c Jan 02 19:10:05 price? Jan 02 19:10:14 2500pln Jan 02 19:10:33 oh wow Jan 02 19:10:39 that's expensive Jan 02 19:10:40 at current currency rates, it's about 612 euros Jan 02 19:12:40 well, i needed a new phone anyway Jan 02 19:13:06 i need a data rate plan then Jan 02 19:13:15 and i didn't feel like getting a winmo/symbian based device or an iphone Jan 02 19:13:27 webos? Jan 02 19:14:07 i didn't like the feel of palm pre Jan 02 19:14:15 (a friend has one) Jan 02 19:15:29 and there are no good phones with android (with high-res screen, hardware keyboard and a battery that doesn't drain to 30% after half an hour of some game) Jan 02 19:15:47 (the last one ruled out motorola milestone) Jan 02 19:15:54 arachnist: How about Motorola Droid/Milestone? Jan 02 19:16:01 rantom: see above Jan 02 19:16:08 landscape format makes more sense for a pocket device with keyboard, imo Jan 02 19:16:14 Granted though that what I tested from it today I didn't like it's keyboard Jan 02 19:16:19 well, the n900 is much better: the battery only drains to that after 3 hours of some game ;) Jan 02 19:16:35 :) Jan 02 19:16:48 not to mention that the keyboard on the droid/milestone doesn't feel good Jan 02 19:16:55 i reccommend external charger and spare battery for full day use Jan 02 19:17:09 hi Jan 02 19:17:31 oh, and getting openvpn/vpnc running on android phones is quite a hassle Jan 02 19:17:45 arachnist: That's the main reason why I got N900. HTC had one good phone which was similar to N900 but it had Windows Mobile on it. No thanks Jan 02 19:17:46 (yes, i do need it sometimes) Jan 02 19:17:59 btw... does someone know which version of hildon-desktop is in fw1.1? Jan 02 19:18:23 hrw: there's a branch in gitorious Jan 02 19:18:32 thx Jan 02 19:19:06 2.2.120 will be Jan 02 19:19:12 dunno the exact number Jan 02 19:19:36 just checked Jan 02 19:19:51 will have to hand build h-d after fw1.1 then Jan 02 19:20:12 http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/e731282a59924e3bbb84ea6647736ed6c0fc0245 removes second level from lancher Jan 02 19:20:19 I have it in SDK and looks nice Jan 02 19:21:02 nice Jan 02 19:21:09 it was being time Jan 02 19:21:11 :) Jan 02 19:21:19 so, after an update, there will be no "More..." button? Jan 02 19:21:29 arachnist: no, 1.1 will have it Jan 02 19:21:31 Anyone else having a problem to reply directly via email to the sender? Jan 02 19:21:31 so its all one level with scroll? Jan 02 19:21:45 hrw: as i said, after an update Jan 02 19:21:50 I tried it today and it left the recepient field empty Jan 02 19:21:54 you can put whatever you want on the front page of icons Jan 02 19:21:55 tigert: it is Jan 02 19:22:00 I love the broken sorting in recent versions. Jan 02 19:22:04 hrw: ok Jan 02 19:22:18 I guess there is a way to hack sort Jan 02 19:22:28 the sort is stored somewhere anyway Jan 02 19:22:33 hrw: do you know if it'll be possible to reorganize icons in there? Jan 02 19:22:39 doesnt it go by timestamps? Jan 02 19:22:50 old to new (2nd page) Jan 02 19:22:57 the sort for first page is defined in some textfile Jan 02 19:23:10 if it would go by timestamps a simple "touch" on files would do the trick Jan 02 19:23:18 it does Jan 02 19:23:22 on the 2nd page. Jan 02 19:23:30 Manual sort for default stuff then alphabetical for installed stuff in new versions. Jan 02 19:23:38 alphabetical?? Jan 02 19:23:42 ah well Jan 02 19:23:53 at least they'll stay put and not move around randomly after an apt-get upgrade Jan 02 19:24:22 "Enable to activate status menu in portrait mode." - also after 1.1 stuff Jan 02 19:24:52 insmod: cannot insert `/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory <-- umh? Jan 02 19:25:38 see dmesg Jan 02 19:25:47 aah, jbd Jan 02 19:26:29 GAN900: It's worse than that, actually Jan 02 19:26:46 Jaffa, what's the bug number? Jan 02 19:27:19 GAN900: Since I made them all sorted, I realised that they're sorted by .desktop filename, not localised label Jan 02 19:27:29 GAN900: Erm, let me check Jan 02 19:27:32 Ah, nice. Jan 02 19:28:15 Obviously sub-optimal with osso-... Jan 02 19:28:24 * javispedro envisions commercial app X shipping "0X.desktop" file Jan 02 19:28:27 angasule: do not use insmod - use modprobe Jan 02 19:28:48 by the kernel version, I guess that's diablo, and there modprobe requires some previous work Jan 02 19:29:00 btw - can someone create wiki page which will list scm locations of maemo components? Jan 02 19:29:20 GAN900: #7350 Jan 02 19:29:27 hrw: i'll have a report of that coming out in january Jan 02 19:29:28 anyone can, hrw Jan 02 19:29:32 bug #7350 Jan 02 19:29:33 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7350 MADDE 0.5's dpkg replacement does not work with --search reliably Jan 02 19:29:41 bug #7450, sorry Jan 02 19:29:42 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7450 Application sorting ignores first 12 items Jan 02 19:29:43 Stskeeps: cool Jan 02 19:29:55 dolfun: sure, but not everyone knows them Jan 02 19:30:06 hrw: listing licensing status of everything, if it depends on closed stuff, if it only exists on device etc Jan 02 19:30:11 Jaffa: first 12 are in /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu? Jan 02 19:30:34 Stskeeps: something like packages.debian.org would be great to have Jan 02 19:30:46 oh we have the webmaster here Jan 02 19:32:39 It would be great to get the licenses from Loki Games. Jan 02 19:32:59 YAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYyyyy, it's booting from the internal mmc :) let's see if it all works Jan 02 19:33:11 dolfun: I would rather prefer to get (L)GPL sources of calendar Jan 02 19:33:22 yes Jan 02 19:33:45 this app suxx so badly that it is not relaeased to show how ugly source is Jan 02 19:34:01 hmm Jan 02 19:34:08 I think it looks pretty Jan 02 19:34:15 hrw: No, that's first screen, More... is /etc/xdg/menus/hildon/applications.menu Jan 02 19:34:26 Jaffa: right Jan 02 19:34:31 in the control panel, memory, Storage has device and internal memory card, both with the same size, but no external card, hmm Jan 02 19:35:00 hrw: What does packages.debian.org have that's useful that maemo.org/packages/ doesn't Jan 02 19:35:12 hrw to see your events, go to "week view". Jan 02 19:35:45 dolfun: please..... do not get me started to list maemo5 calendar bugs Jan 02 19:37:11 Jaffa: search description (and more search options in general)? Jan 02 19:37:24 it does everything i would expect in a bundled app, really. it is interesting how perceptions differ. Jan 02 19:38:17 Jaffa: what maemo.org/packages lacks: links to source (diff, dsc, tarball), bugtracker... Jan 02 19:38:31 Jaffa: links to related packages (if you go to openssh's page, debian allows you to go to -server and -client) Jan 02 19:39:08 dolfun: really??? it does not allow to set alarm time in usable way (1:15 for example), does not allow to set alarms for 1st monday of month, does not allow to set repeat each 3rd friday Jan 02 19:39:22 dolfun: does not allow to remove ONE occurance of repeatable event Jan 02 19:39:38 dolf: true. different people use calendar apps differently i guess. Jan 02 19:39:46 dolfun: lists all calendars as 'local' but lacks support for non-local ones Jan 02 19:40:02 dolfun: does not allow to define own colors for calendars Jan 02 19:40:18 dolfun: require lot of clicks just to do something Jan 02 19:40:45 dolfun: lacks text previews in month view - look at nokia eseries calendar or handycalendar/s60 Jan 02 19:40:59 hrw: It links to bug tracker if package declares one, FWIW Jan 02 19:41:02 The new law makes blasphemy a crime punishable by a fine of up to Á¬25,000... The government says it is needed because the republic's 1937 constitution only gives Christians legal protection of their beliefs. Jan 02 19:41:20 (next time you go to Ireland, keep this in mind) Jan 02 19:41:43 dolfun: so it does a lot less then simple calendars from other platforms Jan 02 19:41:47 RST38h: I note the law specifies a number of people have to be upset by it - without giving consequences. Jan 02 19:42:12 RST38h: I do wonder what happens if they recieve ten thousand signatures protesting against an insult to the FSM. Jan 02 19:42:14 dolfun: maemo5 calendar reminds OpenedHand Dates which now is ~3 years old Jan 02 19:42:37 Speed: The define blasphemy as anything offending christians Jan 02 19:42:46 RST38h: that's been changed. Jan 02 19:42:48 the rest can be blasphemed against as much as needed Jan 02 19:42:53 Speed: really? Jan 02 19:42:57 yes. Jan 02 19:43:05 see the line you pasted Jan 02 19:43:07 oh, shit, lawsuit galore Jan 02 19:43:38 Jaffa: but not gives sources ;( Jan 02 19:44:34 Calendar is a fresh 1.0 bundled app on a new OS using a new UI metaphor. Jan 02 19:44:57 In related news, .CZ legalizes drugs Jan 02 19:45:17 hmm, funny, I have /dev/mmcblk1p1 on / , also rootfs on / and /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 (which shows the same data as 1p1 on / ) Jan 02 19:45:30 RST38h: legalises or decriminalises? Jan 02 19:46:02 ah, yes, decriminalises, same as in Buenos Aires Jan 02 19:46:28 Well, as you are even allowed to grow it, I guess it is legalisation Jan 02 19:46:33 is it possible to disable vibration on the clock alarm? Jan 02 19:46:43 yes Jan 02 19:46:45 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic20.jpg is what hildon-desktop HEAD shows as first screen Jan 02 19:46:55 RST38h: where? Jan 02 19:47:15 nomis: profiles I think Jan 02 19:47:26 hrw: you mean, the first screen with More is gone? Jan 02 19:47:32 RST38h: it should vibrate on SMS and Ringing. Jan 02 19:47:35 hrw, please compare apples to apples. Jan 02 19:47:47 RST38h: right Jan 02 19:47:47 RST38h: no, they are different things, here in Argentina it's also legal to grow it and consume it Jan 02 19:48:12 it is just that the vibration totally kills the silently-sneaking-in-effect of the wakeup sound. Jan 02 19:48:19 dolfun: so I should compare it to /usr/bin/cal then Jan 02 19:48:31 I want the external SD card to show up, but I'm afraid of touching anything since both 0p1 and 1p1 seem to be the internal memory... Jan 02 19:49:19 hrw: You do know that it is configurable and you can even create folders there> Jan 02 19:49:32 RST38h: cool Jan 02 19:49:34 angasule: When does it become legalisation then? Jan 02 19:50:00 hrw: http://maemos.ru/2009/12/28/making-folders-icons-n900/ Jan 02 19:50:05 * hrw -> movies Jan 02 19:50:08 bye Jan 02 19:50:11 thx RST38h Jan 02 19:50:14 http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Fall06/Panzer/legal.html Jan 02 19:50:26 it says Reefer Review on the title, so you know it's right :P Jan 02 19:51:12 ok, so legalisation is when people start driving trucks full of this stuff? Jan 02 19:52:14 Right, like Broccoli Jan 02 19:53:28 a bunch of loudmouths sitting in a room have no moral right to define which objects you may own Jan 02 19:53:35 * SpeedEvil did some broccoli today. Jan 02 19:53:44 Smoking that shit will fuck you up. Jan 02 19:53:47 afk food Jan 02 19:53:47 RST38h: apparently Jan 02 19:53:53 SpeedEvil: broccoli is evil Jan 02 19:54:07 also, tomatoes, I hate tomatoes Jan 02 19:54:16 angasule: And it can be TALLER THAN YOU! Jan 02 19:54:24 I have the munchies, cheers Jan 02 19:55:22 angasule: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3563641682/in/set-72157619014257011/ Jan 02 19:55:59 The brocolli jammed the wood chipper. Jan 02 19:56:13 Which was tearing through 5cm thick normal branches Jan 02 19:56:37 * RST38h knew he had a reason to be suspicious of broccoli Jan 02 20:00:11 http://handheld.softpedia.com/images/software/screens/Handy-Calendar-S60-5th-Edition_6.png /me LOLS Jan 02 20:00:27 ~hopbeat++ Jan 02 20:09:32 SpeedEvil: I tell you, they are trying to take over the world Jan 02 20:10:52 so, if I have mmcblk1p1 on / and mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 but both are the internal memory, who do I call? the ghostbusters? :? Jan 02 20:11:05 heh Jan 02 20:12:50 I think the 1p1 is an oddity of the bootloader, but still, I'm afraid to touch the real 1p1, and I have no real clue on how to get it to automount Jan 02 20:15:43 help? Jan 02 20:15:46 pretty please? Jan 02 20:16:39 I've installed a variety of Contacts plugins, but none of them appear in the accounts list to be configured :( Jan 02 20:17:51 Only Ovi, Jabber, Skype, Google, Skype and SIP. No msn, irc or any other niceones Jan 02 20:18:08 dpkg --audit doesn't say anything Jan 02 20:18:22 I wonder... Jan 02 20:21:00 A study in 1981 estimated that the dose from using a thorium mantle every weekend for a year would be 0.3-0.6 millirems, tiny in comparison to the normal annual dose of a few hundred millirems, although a person ingesting an entire mantle would receive a comparable dose of 200 mrem Jan 02 20:21:26 Hi, I'm trying to compile the maemo5 sdk, I get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/1735389 any ideas? Jan 02 20:21:35 I'm on a x86-64 system Jan 02 20:21:55 tekonivelm: telepathy-haze & co? Jan 02 20:22:16 -64 <-- problem Jan 02 20:22:20 hmm Jan 02 20:22:43 I followed the instructions to disable vdso32 Jan 02 20:22:51 Bugger! Jan 02 20:22:51 on the wiki Jan 02 20:23:05 Yeah i have telepathy-haze et al Jan 02 20:23:27 hmm Jan 02 20:23:35 so the only way to run this is to use a vm? Jan 02 20:24:13 I have most telepathy-\* packages installed Jan 02 20:24:17 RST38h: reading slashdot, I see Jan 02 20:24:34 RST38h: unfortunately, thorium can be used to create nuclear weapons too Jan 02 20:25:48 (or fortunately, depends on how much of a mad scientist you are) Jan 02 20:27:07 I wonder if my telepathy* packages are in fact conflicting Jan 02 20:27:27 I tried 'sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1p1' and it rebooted itself, hmm Jan 02 20:27:34 has there been some probs with repos today? Jan 02 20:27:43 appmanager fails atleast to update some repos Jan 02 20:28:17 nevermind, its working Jan 02 20:28:30 hmm, I see data=ordered , but I changed osso-mmc-mount.sh to data=writeback :? Jan 02 20:28:38 * luke-jr is back to debating his purchase of a N900 :x Jan 02 20:29:45 angasule: reading wiki Jan 02 20:30:05 slightly amused by the idea of consuming a gas mantle Jan 02 20:32:08 RST38h: heh yes Jan 02 20:32:22 india expects first thorium reactor online this year iirc Jan 02 20:32:24 luke-jr: you want to buy an N900 *waves hand* Jan 02 20:37:07 angasule: do I? Jan 02 20:37:23 angasule: if so, only because Nokia failed to deliver with the N810 what was advertised Jan 02 20:37:40 but when new phones have 512 MB of *real* RAM, I'm not so sure Jan 02 20:38:29 luke-jr: it really depends on what you want from your new gizmo Jan 02 20:38:55 if you want a phone that has some tech capabilities, n900 isn't perhaps for you. If you want a tablet with some GSM capabilities, N900 is a strong competitor Jan 02 20:39:16 Wolfie: N810 would be fine if Linux supported it and it had a little more RAM, tbh Jan 02 20:39:22 huh? Jan 02 20:39:58 wolfie what do you mean by "tech capabilities" Jan 02 20:40:55 phreck: Facebook! :p Jan 02 20:41:14 fb runs sweet on the n900 lol Jan 02 20:41:30 I'm sure it does. Jan 02 20:41:36 his point is that N900 is not a phone Jan 02 20:41:47 ok Jan 02 20:42:24 just didnt sound right, this is a very capable device, in either category. Jan 02 20:42:35 just needs some software =P Jan 02 20:42:55 !topic Jan 02 20:43:33 Is there a repository somewhere that has curl for maemo 5 (n900)? Jan 02 20:43:34 phreck: that's the problem with N810 Jan 02 20:43:51 thats always the issue hehe Jan 02 20:43:51 phreck: care to test the internal SD speed for me BTW? :P Jan 02 20:44:08 sure Jan 02 20:44:10 phreck: i think it's more a question of luke-jr's meaning of the words Jan 02 20:44:41 uh oh Jan 02 20:45:06 once im done w this fennec install ill test it Jan 02 20:45:24 now, showertime Jan 02 20:45:30 ssd or sd luke? Jan 02 20:45:43 phreck: eMMC or whatever Jan 02 20:45:51 don't care about the NAND Jan 02 20:46:26 holy shit Jan 02 20:46:31 it only took 3 hoursssss Jan 02 20:46:35 wha? Jan 02 20:46:45 but I built mesa for armel target Jan 02 20:46:59 lol Jan 02 20:47:04 rofl Jan 02 20:47:05 fack. is there a howto for that luke =P Jan 02 20:47:16 now i just need to that python.h issue resolveed Jan 02 20:47:18 phreck: great, care to do it? Jan 02 20:47:20 and blender is here! Jan 02 20:47:24 yea Jan 02 20:47:24 hey luke-jr Jan 02 20:47:28 ill do it Jan 02 20:47:51 kamN900: hi Jan 02 20:53:23 luke-jr, what speed are you interested in? Jan 02 20:53:58 luke-jr: about 12M/second read, and IIRC 10M write Jan 02 20:54:00 lightspeed! Jan 02 20:55:17 ShadowJK: read/write Jan 02 20:56:44 luke-jr, just sequential read/write? Jan 02 20:57:07 sure Jan 02 20:58:44 for comparison, my HD seems to do 30-40 MB/sec write ;) Jan 02 20:59:14 and extremely strangely, about 15 MB/sec read O.o Jan 02 21:01:44 wow. fennec is slowwwwww Jan 02 21:02:04 it is very good that they built it for maemo, so people can appreciate microb Jan 02 21:02:10 fennec is 'normal' Jan 02 21:02:40 yea.. Jan 02 21:03:10 i dig the ui and features. its too slow though Jan 02 21:05:13 If you remove the 3.6V battery, put in a 9V one, and overclock to 1800MHz, it's not bad. Jan 02 21:05:22 hahahaa Jan 02 21:05:40 for the one minute the dive lasts. Jan 02 21:07:07 luke-jr, I get 9.6M write, 19.4M read Jan 02 21:07:11 (per sec) Jan 02 21:07:20 im very close Jan 02 21:07:24 * ShadowJK moved swap to microsd so it wouldn't interfere :) Jan 02 21:08:24 hmm Jan 02 21:08:30 for configures that require it, ./configure --host=armel Jan 02 21:08:33 ? Jan 02 21:08:50 luke-jr: 9 min 13s for 1gb write Jan 02 21:08:54 kamN900: all configures require it only when cross compiling... Jan 02 21:09:00 on ext2 formatted mmc Jan 02 21:09:55 It's funny how the device names are kinda swapped around like on N810.. Jan 02 21:10:10 ShadowJK: is that on the mmc or on the nand? Jan 02 21:10:13 I guess they get renamed at some point, and the old name sticks around for some things Jan 02 21:10:17 SpeedEvil, mmc Jan 02 21:10:25 Does anyone know where telepathy config files live? Jan 02 21:10:28 MyDocs Jan 02 21:11:07 ShadowJK: would you buy a N900 for $320? Jan 02 21:11:56 luke-jr: without hesitation. Jan 02 21:12:05 XD Jan 02 21:12:11 even though you already have one? Jan 02 21:12:20 luke-jr: however at that price I would want to make sure my card company would stand behind it if it died. Jan 02 21:12:31 luke-jr: if I had the spare cash, yes, to flip on ebay. Jan 02 21:12:38 hehe Jan 02 21:12:40 if it died? Jan 02 21:12:44 do N900 die often? Jan 02 21:12:51 ? Jan 02 21:13:05 Some of them come dead in the box ;) Jan 02 21:13:07 nI have no idea. Jan 02 21:13:16 ShadowJK: really? Jan 02 21:13:16 luke-jr: where can it be bought for that price? Jan 02 21:13:29 xorAxAx: I'll announce it *after* I order mine XD Jan 02 21:13:44 in case it's an error, I want to be the one who gets it... :p Jan 02 21:14:05 luke-jr, seems there are two things that happens, one is where some units seem unable to wake up from sleep, and then there are some people reporting mic problems Jan 02 21:14:23 (and then the silent majority of N900s that work fine) Jan 02 21:14:56 wouldn't Nokia have to replace it if it were dead? Jan 02 21:15:10 Yes Jan 02 21:15:14 luke-jr: in some cases. Jan 02 21:15:19 hello Jan 02 21:15:20 They have 2 year warranty in europe and 1 year in the US afaik Jan 02 21:15:34 luke-jr: in some cases, the retailer may have that responsibility. Jan 02 21:16:35 It's the seller's responsibility in .fi according to law, but Nokia's website seems to indicate that they're willing to deal with it directly too. Dunno how it is elsewhere Jan 02 21:16:38 better to pay w/ CC or PayPal in this area? Jan 02 21:17:03 luke-jr: cc - you're in hte UL? Jan 02 21:17:05 UK Jan 02 21:17:09 USA Jan 02 21:17:19 Why did I think you were in the UK. Jan 02 21:17:21 luke-jr: anything where you can claim an transaction was fraudulent Jan 02 21:17:22 odd. Jan 02 21:17:32 hmm. Jan 02 21:17:43 ext2 write on mmc - ~2M/s - read - ~20 Jan 02 21:20:00 SpeedEvil: external? Jan 02 21:20:22 hmm Jan 02 21:20:36 * luke-jr should probably use his Citi card; it generates credit card numbers per-transaction Jan 02 21:20:50 ext2 will expose some of flash's hate of non-sequential writes :) Jan 02 21:21:21 no Jan 02 21:21:41 ext3 rather Jan 02 21:21:57 kamN900: Are you Shinkamui? Jan 02 21:21:58 Interesting. Jan 02 21:22:06 rewriting the file is ~9M/s Jan 02 21:23:12 ext2/ext3 Jan 02 21:23:32 SD/MMC is designed to run on vfat :) Jan 02 21:33:21 so um i reflashed my n900 and everything seems to be fine but the LED doesn't work any more Jan 02 21:33:29 any ideas on what i can try? Jan 02 21:36:57 huh Jan 02 21:37:01 thats odd Jan 02 21:37:03 das blinken light is dead Jan 02 21:37:03 you mean the notification LED? Jan 02 21:37:22 try a reboot Jan 02 21:37:42 maybe the uC is out for lunch Jan 02 21:38:28 you can try to set some colors manually, but the uC will/should eventually overwrite your settings Jan 02 21:38:51 unless its stuck then i guess a reboot (possibly with removing battery) will fix that Jan 02 21:39:30 do you guys think it's worth it to enable ext4 support on the N900? Jan 02 21:39:48 i tried a normal reboot, i'll try pulling the battery next Jan 02 21:40:47 Is it normal that an n900 gets warm while using GSM/GPRS/UMTS? Jan 02 21:40:54 b-man17: i want to setup a kernel git for the n900 maintaining community kernels, and possibly some configs, needs some helpers Jan 02 21:41:00 anyone got working converstation msn-plugin atm? Jan 02 21:41:01 gevaerts: yes Jan 02 21:41:26 cehteh: sure, i might be able to help :) Jan 02 21:41:26 SpeedEvil: thanks. That means mine probably isn't broken :) Jan 02 21:41:35 on my laptop ext4 gives a noticeable performance improvement, i if building a new kernel i would give it a try Jan 02 21:42:11 plus iptable, crypto and some more features i need Jan 02 21:42:19 but so far i had no time to care for kernel Jan 02 21:42:58 i think it's worth it :) Jan 02 21:43:20 gevaerts: open 'top' in a terminal and see if some process sticks at almost 100% cpu .. if not all is ok (or install conky to watch) Jan 02 21:43:36 cehteh: it's not a cpu thing. I checked Jan 02 21:43:43 then its likely ok Jan 02 21:43:59 * cehteh doesnt used data connection extensively yet Jan 02 21:44:36 The battery doesn't last very long with a data connection, but nothing I can't cope with Jan 02 21:44:57 cehteh: just to let you know, i don't have an N900 yet - so i might be a tad limited to what i can do :( Jan 02 21:45:13 i really haven't noticed a difference between ext3 and 4 on my desktop Jan 02 21:45:13 i have heard it ruins sqlite performance though Jan 02 21:45:13 can you switch back to gsm only? .. that has some disadvantages but needs a lot less juice Jan 02 21:45:47 for talking that should work fine Jan 02 21:45:56 svanheulen: my laptop has a very slow 1.8" hdd .. you notice any performance thing with that :) Jan 02 21:46:31 gevaerts: for slow data like email notifications, IM and so its also fine, but usually you cant talk and data at once in gsm only Jan 02 21:46:51 hm, yes. That might be annoying Jan 02 21:47:10 hello Jan 02 21:47:28 I'll have to experiment a bit Jan 02 21:47:40 what is maemo 5 root pass? Jan 02 21:48:26 there is none or at least not known .. install the rootsh package Jan 02 21:48:34 then you can sudo gainroot and be root Jan 02 21:48:46 mkargar_: maemo doesnt have a root passwd; just install rootsh Jan 02 21:49:05 click ordered Jan 02 21:49:40 or it doesn't have one by default ;) Jan 02 21:50:04 installing ssh ask for a new password (user i think?) Jan 02 21:50:18 well i disabled all passwords and do only key logings Jan 02 21:50:20 ssh-server you mean Jan 02 21:50:27 yep Jan 02 21:50:30 openssh client doesnt set password Jan 02 21:50:35 could be Jan 02 21:50:39 the server does (for obvious reasons) Jan 02 21:50:39 i just need both Jan 02 21:51:00 I just install the server if I need to ssh in Jan 02 21:51:01 well 'obvious' is questionable .. imo it would be fine to disable logins by default Jan 02 21:51:10 b-man17:i have not internet on n900!it pissible that download and install manuelly? Jan 02 21:51:12 dont want to keep the port open in the 3g network all the time Jan 02 21:51:21 since my gsm provider has public ip pool Jan 02 21:51:27 which is nice if I want to ssh in Jan 02 21:51:32 but not fun the rest of the time Jan 02 21:51:36 i set up openvpn :) Jan 02 21:51:49 mkargar_: install it from the application manager ;) Jan 02 21:51:58 openvpn is pretty much essential :) Jan 02 21:52:17 gives you roaming :) Jan 02 21:52:28 mkargar_: or go to maemo.org and install it from the downloads section Jan 02 21:52:53 b-man17:it possible without internet mobile? Jan 02 21:52:59 openvpn does mobile ip stuff? Jan 02 21:53:09 like so it can handle ip changes etc? Jan 02 21:53:29 that would be interesting if it does Jan 02 21:53:48 mkargar_: not too sure without root access Jan 02 21:53:55 tigert: I never had a problem with that. You'll have a stalled connection for maybe a minute every now and then, but that's about it Jan 02 21:54:23 gevaerts: I mean if you switch from wlan to 3g etc Jan 02 21:54:24 "every now and then" == "every time it has to reconnect due to a changed IP" Jan 02 21:54:26 it handles that? Jan 02 21:54:31 ok Jan 02 21:54:35 mkargar_: try using the wifi ;P Jan 02 21:54:53 but that needs a host in the net that acts as a recipient point of course Jan 02 21:55:03 * tigert needs to look into this more Jan 02 21:55:09 would be interesting for sure Jan 02 21:55:24 * cehteh tried to setup openvpn to migrate seamless from normal (home wlan) connection ... with some routing tricks Jan 02 21:55:44 now I am just lazy and use 3g also at home Jan 02 21:55:50 its faster than my dsl anyway ;) Jan 02 21:55:59 works, but not well enough, i possibly put my accesspoint into a dedicated vpn network :/ Jan 02 21:56:00 can someone confirm apt-get update is working ok for all repos (inc extras-testing /devel) Jan 02 21:56:02 and I use the N900 more than the laptop too Jan 02 21:56:09 yes, if you want to migrate between openvpn and no openvpn, it will be a bit tricky Jan 02 21:56:13 since it does more or less everything Jan 02 21:56:16 new xchat woks nicely Jan 02 21:56:20 except graphic design and photo editing Jan 02 21:56:44 ifreq: extras-devel usually has the "hash" problem Jan 02 21:56:45 haha .. gimp on the n900 :P Jan 02 21:56:48 it has a terminal, ssh, and a compiler. What more do you need? Jan 02 21:57:00 maybe due to a bad mirror or a non-atomic file update Jan 02 21:57:01 with 1000'o'windows .. and constant switching :P Jan 02 21:57:08 So I took out the battery and even tried charging while it was off and the LED still does nothing :( Jan 02 21:57:12 ifreq: it usually works after a while Jan 02 21:57:16 cehteh: heh yeah Jan 02 21:57:18 or inkscape Jan 02 21:57:18 (except curl, zip and a non-prehistoric version of make of course) Jan 02 21:57:27 tigert: okay, need to wait a bit then Jan 02 21:57:36 cehteh: 10 pixels to a millimeter is not really something to use with your thumbs to do design work :) Jan 02 21:57:42 tigert: inkscape might actually work well Jan 02 21:57:46 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell lol Jan 02 21:57:58 cehteh: would if one had a good UI that handled zoom to the actual work area well Jan 02 21:58:00 i am a ion user on my laptop and configured inkscape to use only one window Jan 02 21:58:15 inkscape works ok with the dock ui Jan 02 21:58:20 since those are all in one window Jan 02 21:58:20 b-man17:i testet more time!but,not worked!(i want sharing my dsl connection(lan0) by wlan0!but,doesn't work) Jan 02 21:58:23 cehteh: no ion on the n900 yet? Jan 02 21:58:28 cehteh: do you plan to develop software for your n900? Jan 02 21:58:30 the 250 DPI canvas is the problem Jan 02 21:58:32 12" laptop .. zoom on scroll wheel .. panning on middle button, thats awesome working on small display Jan 02 21:58:34 * gevaerts would actually like that Jan 02 21:59:02 xorAxAx: want to help me? i am thinking about a automatic profile switcher Jan 02 21:59:22 cehteh: maybe, if i have time Jan 02 21:59:25 xorAxAx: already hacked a little bit, but rather brainstorming yet Jan 02 21:59:27 cehteh: python, ok? :) Jan 02 21:59:27 mkargar_: do you have a regular data connection? (gsm, ect..)? Jan 02 21:59:53 xorAxAx: lua & C at least i started with lua Jan 02 22:00:01 b-man17:no:( Jan 02 22:00:04 :( Jan 02 22:00:10 hmm Jan 02 22:00:43 b-man17:i want use shared internet!? Jan 02 22:00:49 cehteh: ugh Jan 02 22:01:07 cehteh: then i prefer C :) Jan 02 22:01:08 xorAxAx: since its a daemon i want to make it as small as possible, python somehow defeats that :P Jan 02 22:01:28 cehteh: but i could learn lua for it :) Jan 02 22:01:33 yeah i am thinking about prototyping in lua, extend in C and shift more and more to C .. Jan 02 22:01:48 lua is very simple .. especially for a python programmer Jan 02 22:02:03 mkargar_: sure - it shouldn't hurt (i tap onto wifi connections all the time) ;) Jan 02 22:02:11 xorAxAx: http://git.pipapo.org/?p=profiled;a=blob;f=profiled.lua brainstorming Jan 02 22:02:24 *onto Jan 02 22:02:50 xorAxAx: whats becoming the config file is just down that file Jan 02 22:03:16 ok Jan 02 22:03:21 xorAxAx: first i thught about some logic rules to configure profile switching Jan 02 22:03:36 but looking closer at that, this would explode in complexity Jan 02 22:04:05 b-man17:it hurting me!:( Jan 02 22:04:07 so i brainstormed about some 'voting' system where each state votes for some action Jan 02 22:04:08 lets write it in prolog, cehteh Jan 02 22:04:40 jo Jan 02 22:04:41 nah i thought about that, but you have n! mutations for each thing you want to watch Jan 02 22:04:55 xorAxAx: there's a project for openmoko, orulesd, involving prolog, flora, xsb and other fancy stuff. Jan 02 22:04:55 wasnt meant seriously .-) Jan 02 22:05:02 b-man17:are you use wifi connection or wifi for share eth0 connection? Jan 02 22:05:19 well i would be serious if this can be described in some handleable rules Jan 02 22:05:30 PaulFertser: what is flora? Jan 02 22:05:53 what is the news on the server upgrades? Jan 02 22:05:58 well next i am goung to implement the moving() and orientation() functions .. then it can become a bit useable Jan 02 22:06:20 xorAxAx: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Ologicd Jan 02 22:06:23 whats the best msn plugin atm under accounts? Jan 02 22:06:24 PaulFertser: cool :) Jan 02 22:06:32 cehteh: i dont have a device yet, so i let you start with this project Jan 02 22:06:46 Are these 5 'pymaemo' mount points really necessary? Jan 02 22:07:04 xorAxAx: i dont tried it on the device .. my laptop has an accelerometer too so i can try here Jan 02 22:07:05 mkargar_: i use both, i believe Jan 02 22:07:25 kamn900: what file does it fail on? Jan 02 22:07:27 i think Jan 02 22:07:40 hmm Jan 02 22:07:46 xorAxAx: how much are you used to the maemo api's .. i didnt looked that much yet Jan 02 22:07:54 cehteh: not at all Jan 02 22:08:05 heh good start :P me neither Jan 02 22:08:40 Why must pymaemo mount --bind and not just symlink like all other packages? Jan 02 22:08:56 if you want you can try to figure out some things .. like switching the 'profile' .. or turning celluar, gps or whatever on or off Jan 02 22:09:12 locking / securing the device and so on Jan 02 22:09:24 b-man17:hmm!are you using linux? Jan 02 22:09:35 yes Jan 02 22:09:42 and how to change the avaliability state? guess that all works over dbus Jan 02 22:10:04 Stskeeps: ping? Jan 02 22:10:16 xorAxAx: you seen my case? Jan 02 22:10:18 b-man17:ok!do you want help me how to setup it?! Jan 02 22:10:41 sure Jan 02 22:11:06 http://lumiera.org/n900_case1.jpg .. case4.jpg Jan 02 22:11:38 cehteh: where did you buy it? Jan 02 22:11:41 mkargar_: what does it tell you when you try to connect? Jan 02 22:11:45 self build Jan 02 22:11:49 cehteh: how?:) Jan 02 22:12:11 vacuformed :) Jan 02 22:12:49 cehteh: that's hot :) Jan 02 22:12:49 cehteh: can you build one for me as well? :) Jan 02 22:12:55 i am planning to make a small weppage about the build process Jan 02 22:12:58 b-man17:ok!i use it help:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc Jan 02 22:13:10 xorAxAx: sure .. but its a lot of work, how much would you pay? Jan 02 22:13:31 b-man17:ok!i use it help 2:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sharing_ppp_connection_with_wlan_interface Jan 02 22:13:36 good question, 15 EUR probably? Jan 02 22:14:03 no chance .. prolly 8hrs of work for one .. hand build :P Jan 02 22:14:11 wow, 8 hours, then forget it Jan 02 22:14:14 the moulds are done so thats not the problem Jan 02 22:14:40 hmm Jan 02 22:14:42 well i can make you raw shells and send you neoprene stuff Jan 02 22:15:03 then you have to cut, dremel, grind, sew it by yourself .. Jan 02 22:15:08 for 15Eur Jan 02 22:15:27 i think i am not skilled enough for that :-) Jan 02 22:15:34 also i dont have the tools Jan 02 22:15:38 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ allows no comments or feedback except for bugtracker. Now i see why. Jan 02 22:15:38 * cehteh is a learned plastics worker :) Jan 02 22:15:54 * dolfun kidnaps cehteh Jan 02 22:15:57 well and this case is really sturdy .. Jan 02 22:16:36 b-man17:my n900 detected wifi connection,but,doesn't open page on firefox on n900! Jan 02 22:16:39 i used a hammer to try to damage some test-shells was almost impossible Jan 02 22:17:21 i will buy one cehteh Jan 02 22:17:28 mkargar_: does it give you a 404, or not connected message? Jan 02 22:17:34 well Jan 02 22:17:50 no. i won't. but i support you morally Jan 02 22:18:53 * cehteh will make a webpage show how they are build, then anyone can do it by himself or as me to provide parts in different stages for reasonable prices. at least i think about that Jan 02 22:19:21 can someone tell me where i can find the documentation for load-applet? Jan 02 22:19:24 mkargar_: open x-terminal, type in 'ifconfig' and see what it gives you Jan 02 22:20:18 b-man17:ok Jan 02 22:20:22 I would seriously consider getting one if the finally result looks appealing. Jan 02 22:20:54 wow asciidoc is available Jan 02 22:21:29 dolfun: pymaemo-developers@garage.maemo.org - devs are often here and receptive to external concepts Jan 02 22:22:09 Jaffa: i assume i misunderstand the need for the mount --bind Jan 02 22:22:18 hrm, ruby1.9.1 appears to cause the arm emu in the SDK to hang Jan 02 22:22:21 perhaps it had to do with the migration-step Jan 02 22:22:21 dolfun: The bind mounts are discussed on various mailing lists. Python uses readlink to resolve symlinks and that causes all sorts of problems with apps & add-ons Jan 02 22:22:29 thanks!! Jan 02 22:23:07 b-man17:i typed ifconfig on x-terminal!recieve error!:-sh: ifconfig: not found Jan 02 22:23:19 hmm :( x( Jan 02 22:23:22 dolfun: IOW, the bind mounts are a trivial solution with the other option being a fairly hefty rewrite of the way Python works; or a co-ordinated effort with everyone who's written a Python app or repackaged an upstream Python module Jan 02 22:23:55 b-man17:i confused! Jan 02 22:24:39 i'm a bit stumped myself Jan 02 22:24:44 hmm Jan 02 22:25:35 b-man17:whats my problem? Jan 02 22:26:08 usually need root to use ifconfig Jan 02 22:26:23 (not reading the whole conversation and saying something is great i heard) Jan 02 22:26:53 it's in /sbin which isn't in default path, but you can still view interfaces without root Jan 02 22:26:58 just use full path: /sbin/ifconfig Jan 02 22:27:48 Jaffa: no problem - " Jan 02 22:28:00 "doesn't work with symlinks" would suffice :) Jan 02 22:29:19 mkargar_: so your connected, do you have a firewall? (a tad doubtful that's the issue but..) Jan 02 22:31:55 dolfun: You never know if someone has a better idea ;-) Jan 02 22:34:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in instead of Thomas' "send via command line", lets use the rich api and build something on top of scp, ftp Jan 02 22:34:23 b-man17:whats you want from ifconfig? Jan 02 22:35:11 mkargar__: the status of your connection Jan 02 22:35:34 dmj7261, node.c:31:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory Jan 02 22:35:38 does it give you anything? Jan 02 22:35:46 seems to have to do wi building blender specifically Jan 02 22:35:51 @mkargar__ Jan 02 22:35:51 it wants python 3.11 Jan 02 22:36:09 oh Jan 02 22:36:20 python 3.11 isn't python 2.5 at all Jan 02 22:36:26 very different beast Jan 02 22:37:47 you might need to get python 3.1 on there. Jan 02 22:38:02 * dolfun cringes Jan 02 22:38:15 hehe Jan 02 22:38:27 http://www.geneome.com/2007/04/11/compiling-blender-with-python-25/ Jan 02 22:39:06 an old blender is better than no blender Jan 02 22:40:05 perhaps 2.5 can be built with python 2.5 Jan 02 22:40:09 kamN900: our situation is getting better, but many things must still be sourced from older packages Jan 02 22:40:28 just in case you felt bad or uniquely unfortunate Jan 02 22:41:08 dmj7261, IIIim trying Jan 02 22:41:14 I gotta be fucking up somewhere Jan 02 22:41:32 b-man17:how to i want copy all status for you?! Jan 02 22:41:50 dolfun, I know, Ill continue to hammer at it Jan 02 22:42:43 does anyone here happen to know where does gpe-todo store the todo list files? Jan 02 22:45:30 mkargar__: 1 sec, i'm gonna have xnt14 help you (he's better at this stuff) xD Jan 02 22:45:43 hey, i have a product idea. A 7" TFT LCD screen with microusb connector that gets a tty/pty from the tablet - for your ssh session Jan 02 22:46:07 that could even be Jan 02 22:46:08 DIY Jan 02 22:46:23 mkargar__: hmm have you tried /sbin/ifconfig? Jan 02 22:46:26 that sounds like my netbook Jan 02 22:46:40 dolfun, what price range? Jan 02 22:46:58 xnt14:yes! Jan 02 22:47:08 does it give any output? Jan 02 22:47:09 basically you'd need terminal emulator+vga out on the device Jan 02 22:47:12 ifconfig on the tablet needs roout account Jan 02 22:47:16 sudo gainroot Jan 02 22:47:22 awesome .. got x2x working with socat Jan 02 22:47:27 if it does paste it to pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ Jan 02 22:47:31 or simpler, if there are tickertape style devices with simpler addressing Jan 02 22:47:32 except without keyboard, 2 inches, and compiz Jan 02 22:47:37 woglinde_: he doesnt have rootsh Jan 02 22:47:47 hmm Jan 02 22:47:53 b-man17 than he should install it Jan 02 22:48:09 that's what he's trying to do xD Jan 02 22:48:17 otherwise no luck Jan 02 22:48:21 hmm Jan 02 22:48:22 he needs a connection first Jan 02 22:48:33 ShadowJK: what size would you like these VT terminals to be? 5" 7" 9"? Jan 02 22:48:52 b-man17: sadly the n900 doesn't have ethernet :/ Jan 02 22:48:54 hmm Jan 02 22:48:59 dolfun, oh I was just going to mention how cheapish the SmartQ things are Jan 02 22:49:06 it has usb Jan 02 22:49:08 mkargar__: do you have a computer available? Jan 02 22:49:15 i want to get these under 50 euros Jan 02 22:49:24 Ah Jan 02 22:49:25 maybe much cheaper Jan 02 22:49:29 xnt14:yes yes! Jan 02 22:49:42 hmm Jan 02 22:49:48 ok hold on a second. Jan 02 22:49:59 xnt14:ok! Jan 02 22:50:14 hmm Jan 02 22:50:21 mkargar__ whats your problem you have to set wifi ip manually? Jan 02 22:50:23 ShadowJK: if you find any cheap sources for character addressable displays - possibly simple unbacklit lcd - let me know Jan 02 22:50:30 dolfun: what's the point? Jan 02 22:50:33 anyone have a rootsh deb he can transfer to his sd via usb? Jan 02 22:50:48 there are some hackable 'digital photoframes' Jan 02 22:50:56 dolfun, I vaguely remember something at the tech level you describe, but it was tiny and not within your budget Jan 02 22:51:02 luke-jr: i want to have n900 powersuck display off, and 3 terminals hooked up to my n900 for when i am working at a cafe Jan 02 22:51:13 dolfun: i se Jan 02 22:51:22 Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1-jebba6 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 2 13:04:25 MST 2010 armv7l unknown Jan 02 22:51:22 New kernel available with many more filesystems and NAT etc Jan 02 22:51:30 xnt14: will app manager let him install a random .deb? Jan 02 22:51:35 dolfun: so like eInk? Jan 02 22:51:36 there are usb to vga adapters too Jan 02 22:51:52 Caesium: I'm not sure, I don't own a n900 yet... Does it? Jan 02 22:51:55 not much apps on ovistore yet Jan 02 22:51:56 like your old lcd watch display, or psion 3, 5 Jan 02 22:51:57 I don't think si Jan 02 22:51:59 apps/games Jan 02 22:52:10 or maybe red, amber, green - i don't care Jan 02 22:52:11 jebba: cool Jan 02 22:52:14 hmm Jan 02 22:52:18 Caesium: yes Jan 02 22:52:22 ok then Jan 02 22:52:27 cool, how b-man17? Jan 02 22:52:28 dolfun: if you're goign to make it, make it right :P Jan 02 22:52:32 jebba: do you have that in git? Jan 02 22:52:37 do you get it? all day ssh work with n900 Jan 02 22:52:38 need hosting? Jan 02 22:52:44 on multiple screens Jan 02 22:52:52 there are composite to vga adaptors Jan 02 22:52:55 xnt14:i set wifi ip by this cammond:sudo ifconfig eth1 169.254.34.2 Jan 02 22:52:57 cehteh: huh? kernel.org has git hosting Jan 02 22:53:01 hahahaha Jan 02 22:53:10 Caesium: does it have an option under the menu? (it did in OS2008) Jan 02 22:53:18 luke-jr: yeah maybe the proper place Jan 02 22:53:28 xnt14:but,my n900 not detected this! Jan 02 22:53:40 well Jan 02 22:53:45 python 3.0 built from source Jan 02 22:53:48 anyways .. i can host git repos for the n900 kernel Jan 02 22:54:01 mkargar__: hmm no thats the wrong command, 169.254.34.2 is the ip that is assigned when it failed to get an address via dhcp Jan 02 22:54:02 didn't do tk/tcl extentions though Jan 02 22:54:06 extensions Jan 02 22:54:40 don't think blender needs those. Jan 02 22:55:07 mkargar__: download this file on your computer and then transfer it to your n900 via a usb cable: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.5_armel.deb Jan 02 22:55:30 xnt14:ok Jan 02 22:55:46 :) Jan 02 22:57:10 moo Jan 02 22:57:18 lol Jan 02 22:57:24 what? Jan 02 22:57:30 ^^^ "moo" Jan 02 22:57:38 yeah Jan 02 22:57:50 woglinde: Yesssss Master? Jan 02 22:57:51 hmm Jan 02 22:58:03 lol Jan 02 22:58:05 xD Jan 02 22:58:16 Theres no cron(8) for N900? Jan 02 22:58:17 nah only wanted the moo'ooh Jan 02 22:58:23 cehteh: is not in git. It's just a .config, more or less. Though i'm going to start working in some patches now with quilt. I guess I should git the thing tho Jan 02 22:58:24 but rst isnt here Jan 02 22:58:30 woglinde: I suggest you download and install MooBox ^^ Jan 02 22:58:46 apt-get moo xDDDd Jan 02 22:59:11 jebba: i am thinking about some repository for 'proven' configs .. not necessary git, maybe just a wiki or so Jan 02 22:59:13 cowsay "moo!" Jan 02 22:59:14 ;) Jan 02 22:59:19 xD Jan 02 22:59:23 hi crashanddie Jan 02 22:59:26 lol Jan 02 22:59:31 hey woglinde Jan 02 22:59:36 lo crashanddie Jan 02 22:59:39 cehteh: feel free to grab my .configs Jan 02 22:59:42 169.254.34.2 is zeroconf stuff Jan 02 22:59:46 yo Jaffa Jan 02 22:59:47 jebba: but the kernel (including nokia patches) should be as well maintained in a git and possibly updated with more recent kernels Jan 02 22:59:50 mainly assigned bei avahi Jan 02 22:59:56 on linux Jan 02 22:59:59 is it possible to install every app in extras? Jan 02 23:00:02 at once Jan 02 23:00:06 jebba: i ask you sometime next days Jan 02 23:00:06 jo lcuk Jan 02 23:00:10 lcuk: in one command? Jan 02 23:00:26 i just mean, can i install everything from extras Jan 02 23:00:26 hi Jan 02 23:00:27 xnt14:i moved it to n900 by usb! Jan 02 23:00:31 space wise Jan 02 23:00:32 lcuk: or as in, is it possible to install all the apps on a N900, regarding size constraints Jan 02 23:00:45 mkargar__: ok now open application manager from the menu Jan 02 23:00:46 gah, git can't even be isntalled in sbox-MaemoKernel: Jan 02 23:00:47 jebba: for myself i have no kernel config problems .. but for a lot other people some public accessible page would be handy Jan 02 23:00:49 lcuk: doubt it Jan 02 23:00:58 btw .. did you added crypto support? Jan 02 23:01:08 mmm Jan 02 23:01:09 why Jan 02 23:01:16 (dmcrypt, ecryptfs) Jan 02 23:01:18 hm right Jan 02 23:01:23 git and git-buildpackage Jan 02 23:01:30 is needed thing for sdk Jan 02 23:01:56 xnt14:ok! Jan 02 23:01:56 i tried to enable usb networking,but i cant access either lan or the Internet - i can ping 192.168.2.15 - but not the ip's on lan (even if they're in the same adress range and class) Jan 02 23:02:06 xnt14:continue... Jan 02 23:02:17 LuciusMare no wifi? Jan 02 23:02:18 mkargar__: ok now look in the dropdown menu Jan 02 23:02:28 luciusmare, well, did you configure the other end of the usb networking properly? Jan 02 23:02:31 woglinde: no,otherwise i wouldnt ask. Jan 02 23:02:34 for an option to install a package from a file Jan 02 23:02:39 flux: er...nope. Jan 02 23:02:40 LuciusMare hm Jan 02 23:02:40 luciusmare, I mean for that to work you'd need to bridge your lan and usb port on the pc Jan 02 23:02:43 is there one? Jan 02 23:02:54 luciusmare, or assign a new network for the usb port and let the machine route the traffic Jan 02 23:02:55 flux: okay,its a win xp box Jan 02 23:03:02 flux proxyarp might work too Jan 02 23:03:07 well, I know nothing of it, but I think it has some internet sharing thing Jan 02 23:03:09 hm LuciusMare hm Jan 02 23:03:14 hm Jan 02 23:03:14 xnt14:continue... Jan 02 23:03:15 woglinde, yeah, that's a nice one Jan 02 23:03:18 perhaps it works with usb ports also Jan 02 23:03:26 flux which makes nat Jan 02 23:03:26 (that internet sharing thingy) Jan 02 23:03:30 * LuciusMare will look @ it Jan 02 23:03:35 the internet sharing thingy Jan 02 23:03:38 from windows Jan 02 23:03:39 ics Jan 02 23:03:40 woglinde, well, it's better than nothing I suppose?-) Jan 02 23:03:42 mkargar__: is there any option to install a package from a file? Jan 02 23:03:52 but, windows XP should be able to route traffic properly too, no? Jan 02 23:04:04 but there was some briding stuff too Jan 02 23:04:09 xnt14:no! Jan 02 23:04:15 :( Jan 02 23:04:17 hmm Jan 02 23:04:20 no,windows do nothing proper...*holds his mouth* Jan 02 23:04:21 b-man17: any ideas? Jan 02 23:04:27 flux I need proxyarp here for my wifi card because it dont works in bridge mode Jan 02 23:04:30 how can he install that deb? Jan 02 23:05:03 xnt14: 1 sec Jan 02 23:05:12 mkargar__: go to the file manager, find that file, open it in filemanager and see if it does anything Jan 02 23:05:15 b-man17: k Jan 02 23:06:07 I am going to spend a few weeks with my old psion 5mx to refresh my thinking Jan 02 23:06:13 xnt14: it looks like the app manager doesnt support the option directly :( Jan 02 23:06:18 :( Jan 02 23:06:26 and see what fast software looks like.. Jan 02 23:06:36 b-man17: ok lets see what happens when he tries to open with filemanager Jan 02 23:06:46 yup Jan 02 23:07:30 cehteh: git clone http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/kernel/.git/ Jan 02 23:07:51 xnt14:i selected deb package and open by app manager!ihabe 3 option:app.manager | as_deamon backup Jan 02 23:08:03 hmm Jan 02 23:08:38 mkargar__: can you please say that with proper spelling so I can understand which option to tell you to chose :) Jan 02 23:09:20 Shamoon! Jan 02 23:09:54 xnt14:iexcusme 3 option:| app.manager | as_deamon | backup Jan 02 23:10:08 app.manager Jan 02 23:10:19 mkargar__: click on appmanager Jan 02 23:11:11 xnt14:i clicked!but.not action! Jan 02 23:11:15 jebba: urgs .. http :P Jan 02 23:11:31 hmm Jan 02 23:11:33 cehteh: how do i set up a git url? Or??? Jan 02 23:11:37 damn Jan 02 23:11:43 you have to run a git daemon Jan 02 23:11:46 ah Jan 02 23:11:46 well Jan 02 23:11:47 b-man17: so how do we install the deb? Jan 02 23:11:48 whatever Jan 02 23:11:50 same diff Jan 02 23:11:51 any ideas Jan 02 23:12:05 xnt14:it return to unistall | download | update menu! Jan 02 23:12:05 http is extremely inefficent Jan 02 23:12:07 xnt14: dpkg -i filename.deb ? Jan 02 23:12:18 could be risky, but could enable rd-mode to get rootsh installed then disable it again? Jan 02 23:12:24 crashanddie: that requires root priv :/ Jan 02 23:12:29 he doesn't have rootsh Jan 02 23:12:32 since the default sudo gainroot works with rd-mode, right? Jan 02 23:12:33 xnt14: then install getroot? Jan 02 23:12:38 jebba: and actually it doesnt even work for you :P Jan 02 23:12:41 fatal^: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/kernel//info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? Jan 02 23:12:45 he has no internet connection Jan 02 23:12:49 xnt14: if you cant install it from the app manager, then you'll have too dpkg -i it which requires root privileges :( Jan 02 23:12:54 *to Jan 02 23:13:00 hmm Jan 02 23:13:07 cehteh: i just cloned it to my laptop like that. You run it identical? Jan 02 23:13:13 xnt14: it's an internet tablet. Doing stuff without internet is quite counter productive Jan 02 23:13:23 got into that dir and run 'git update-server-info' .. and/or enable the post-receive hook (or whichever) Jan 02 23:13:26 xnt14::( Jan 02 23:13:45 crashanddie: he can't connect to his router Jan 02 23:13:47 jebba: http needs soem magic fairy dust sprinkled on it to be useable Jan 02 23:13:54 mkargar__: hold on I'm looking for something Jan 02 23:13:56 xnt14: how about fixing that first? Jan 02 23:14:07 cehteh: i just cloned it again fine as a test. Jan 02 23:14:29 jebba: i have a mob-kernel repo you can push anonymouly to it Jan 02 23:14:48 you gimme the command i'll push to it if you want Jan 02 23:14:49 jebba: can you clone for that url? Jan 02 23:14:56 i just cloned it 3 times fine Jan 02 23:15:04 b-man17: I'm thinking its an ip address problem... Jan 02 23:15:16 yeah, me too :( Jan 02 23:15:17 perhaps he should set a static ip address Jan 02 23:15:25 perhaps Jan 02 23:15:33 xnt14: who are we talking about? Jan 02 23:15:36 but we don't know his ip range :/ Jan 02 23:15:52 crashanddie, mkargar__ Jan 02 23:15:55 xnt14: mkargar__ can't connect to his router Jan 02 23:15:58 cehteh: blow out what you started with if you got any files from teh git clone and do it agian Jan 02 23:16:02 with his n900 Jan 02 23:16:08 err Jan 02 23:16:16 lol Jan 02 23:16:16 crashanddie: mkargar__ can't connect to his router Jan 02 23:16:18 xD Jan 02 23:16:19 git push git://git.pipapo.org/linux-2.6-vserver :jebba_n900 yourbranchname is likely master i think unless you changed that Jan 02 23:16:19 mkargar__: do you have another computer connected to the network? Jan 02 23:16:23 tab completion fail xD Jan 02 23:17:00 weee Jan 02 23:17:06 jebba: you dont need to do it again you need to run git-update-server info whenever a http hosted repo changs .. http hosting is really suboptimal Jan 02 23:17:09 b-man17: xnt14: mkargar__: The easiest option (failing a flasher to enable R&D mode to get root and dpkg -i the rootsh deb) is a file:// based repo containing just rootsh on disk (copied over via USB) Jan 02 23:17:26 crashanddie;no! Jan 02 23:17:41 cehteh: pushed Jan 02 23:17:50 mkargar__: why don't you just reset the router then? Jan 02 23:17:50 Jaffa: hmm Jan 02 23:18:34 ah, that was not a kernel, that are only the configs :) ... Jan 02 23:18:52 dmj7261, ok cool. Plus side, got all the deps built for arm, negatiive, had to make clean on blender, so, I get to wait 30 more minutes for it to fail somewhere lese Jan 02 23:19:02 cehteh: ok, not really most important git repo in world. Small too. But i got a script i'll push to you when i do updates Jan 02 23:19:02 well feel free to use that mob repo or ask me for an account then you can host your own repo on our server Jan 02 23:19:36 http://git.pipapo.org/?p=linux-2.6-vserver;a=tree;h=1cdd9bc5696535e7b8a6667dab9786d4bbb7dabc;hb=1cdd9bc5696535e7b8a6667dab9786d4bbb7dabc Jan 02 23:19:49 well .. at least its accessible now :) Jan 02 23:19:56 crashanddie:hmm!my adsl modem is router and modem!i should restart it?! Jan 02 23:20:28 mkargar__: how are you talking to us now? Jan 02 23:20:50 crashanddie: win! lol Jan 02 23:21:15 mkargar__: you should be able to do a full system reset of the router -- this will restore all the default settings, depending on the default values, this should create a unprotected wifi network allowing full access Jan 02 23:21:31 mkargar__: check the user manuals for the default encryption password and stuff like that Jan 02 23:21:52 crashanddie: I have a bad feeling about that Jan 02 23:21:56 crashanddie:ok Jan 02 23:22:00 if he answers "but I'm not connected to the wifi network, this computer is connected through a cable" I'm leaving Jan 02 23:22:03 once I reset my modem (when I had dsl) Jan 02 23:22:17 xnt14: plural of anecdotes isn't data Jan 02 23:22:20 good luck Jan 02 23:22:24 it lost the subscriber info Jan 02 23:22:28 mkargar__: answer the first question first Jan 02 23:22:58 meow, I have found no solution by googling, the internal mmc is mounted as mmcblk1p1 on / and also as mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 :( Jan 02 23:24:17 mkargar__: how are you talking to us now? Jan 02 23:24:20 crashanddie:you right! Jan 02 23:24:38 even useful for chatting :) Jan 02 23:26:26 crashanddie:which question i must reply? Jan 02 23:26:41 mkargar__: how are you talking to us now? Jan 02 23:26:53 screw rootsh. changed the pass for user :D Jan 02 23:27:13 crashanddie:yes Jan 02 23:27:18 using sudo now. the way linux is meant to be used Jan 02 23:27:54 I give up Jan 02 23:28:11 * xnt14 needs to eat dinner - brb Jan 02 23:28:51 crashanddie:yes( Jan 02 23:29:15 oh!my problem not solved!:( Jan 02 23:29:56 kamN900: cool. I'm glad you're making progress Jan 02 23:29:56 cehteh: you know much about quilt, by any chance? I'm adding it to rules, but for the kernel rules, there's lots of "-stamps" so i'm not certain where all I need to add $(QUILT_STAMPFN) Jan 02 23:30:44 jebba: nope i just using git barely Jan 02 23:32:12 xnt14:very thx Jan 02 23:32:56 hm whats the problem with git build? Jan 02 23:33:23 I will look Jan 02 23:41:49 nice, my ugly mms hack works for someone else \o/ Jan 02 23:42:35 frais what ugly mms hack? Jan 02 23:42:57 O.O Jan 02 23:42:58 MaemohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=450237&postcount=101 Jan 02 23:45:40 frais thanks Jan 02 23:46:05 the n900 doesn't natively support decompressing zip file :/ Jan 02 23:46:16 MaemohammadAG: apt-get install zuip Jan 02 23:46:25 s/zip/unzip Jan 02 23:46:52 = 0 replacements Jan 02 23:46:53 speedevil thanks, was about to do an apt-cache search Jan 02 23:47:01 fraLs, not frais btw ;-) Jan 02 23:47:30 oh sorry, on the n900 and i didn't notice it Jan 02 23:47:37 no worries ;) Jan 02 23:47:38 * MaemohammadAG failed :( Jan 02 23:47:43 :) Jan 02 23:47:49 yes! Jan 02 23:47:56 I got past the python block Jan 02 23:50:05 nope, i was wrong Jan 02 23:51:04 i hate my connection when it drops :( Jan 02 23:51:06 0% [Waiting for headers] Jan 02 23:52:01 Fetched 126kB in 54s (2326B/s) Jan 02 23:54:23 MaemohammadAG the problem is everywhere Jan 02 23:55:30 its a bit strange since the backups (from the system tools) are zip's :) Jan 02 23:58:30 woglinde, it happens on my pc too Jan 02 23:58:42 so it's not the repo's problem Jan 02 23:59:37 frals, E: Package python-gtk has no installation candidate Jan 03 00:00:01 is it on the repos? Jan 03 00:00:14 hm python-hildon Jan 03 00:00:37 uh python-gtk2 i guess Jan 03 00:00:50 i just put some random packages that sounded good there, no clue what ive pulled in :D Jan 03 00:01:02 LOL Jan 03 00:01:36 meh python-gtk2 is already the newest version. Jan 03 00:01:39 so far, all I've learned about python, is that if you need it, build it Jan 03 00:02:02 kamui2 so true lol Jan 03 00:02:19 its insane Jan 03 00:02:25 I've build 5 versions of python Jan 03 00:02:31 at lest they all compile without a hitch Jan 03 00:03:15 finally I figured out on try 5 that blender 2.5 REQUIRES python 3.1.1 Jan 03 00:03:17 lovely Jan 03 00:03:45 had I just taken the shortcut, I could have had blender 2.49 built yesterday Jan 03 00:04:22 kamui2: at least you know whzt version to make now Jan 03 00:04:31 haha, yea Jan 03 00:04:44 but Im telling you, the frustration totally wasn't worth not reading teh build doc all the way through Jan 03 00:04:50 shant make that mistake again Jan 03 00:04:56 I dont even know how im gonna package this ultimately Jan 03 00:05:00 it has like 15 deps I had to build Jan 03 00:05:08 maybe just staticly link it and say fuck it Jan 03 00:05:11 funk I said funk Jan 03 00:05:14 there isn't any thing blocking 3.11 is there? Jan 03 00:05:22 so far, no issue Jan 03 00:05:25 building from source Jan 03 00:05:30 but I wont know until its done Jan 03 00:05:37 2.5, 2.6, 3.0 all built fine Jan 03 00:05:47 not that thats an indicator :) Jan 03 00:06:16 I just don't build every module, and im not doing a system install so it doesn't kill the systems 2.5 intall Jan 03 00:06:29 blender 2.5 will be totally worth it though Jan 03 00:06:30 god knows how maemo would respond if I replaced python Jan 03 00:06:36 yea, I hope so Jan 03 00:06:46 would be a damn shame if we dont get decent performance Jan 03 00:07:08 though, if 2.39 runs smoothly on a 200mhz omap pocketpc... Jan 03 00:07:30 I don't expect to do renders, but some good modelling will be sweet. Jan 03 00:07:38 swett Jan 03 00:07:40 build finished Jan 03 00:07:41 no errors Jan 03 00:07:45 Evening all Jan 03 00:07:50 great! Jan 03 00:07:50 still no tk/tcl Jan 03 00:07:52 hrm, is there some way to save a shortcut to a web page on the desktop and give it a custom name? Jan 03 00:08:32 splaspod: yes Jan 03 00:09:12 jeebus Jan 03 00:09:16 I built it in the wrong window Jan 03 00:09:19 dmj726_n900: cool, how? :) Jan 03 00:09:20 I wasn't in the scratchbox Jan 03 00:09:21 *sigh* Jan 03 00:09:35 @#$@$!#$@# Jan 03 00:09:52 SplasPood: /me guesses on http://p.zash.se/PYVMCA.txt Jan 03 00:09:59 in a .desktop Jan 03 00:10:20 rats Jan 03 00:10:30 zash: ahh, ok.. by hand Jan 03 00:10:31 thats ok, just make clean and reconfiguring Jan 03 00:11:30 SplasPood: thats what happens if i drag a link from firefox to my desktop Jan 03 00:14:22 zash: on the N900? Jan 03 00:14:35 SplasPood: no, on my laptop :P Jan 03 00:15:01 don't maemo use the same kind of .desktop files for stuff Jan 03 00:15:43 maybe not for the "desktop" Jan 03 00:15:47 whatdoiknow Jan 03 00:16:01 Well if it does I'm not sure where, I'll keep looking tho. Jan 03 00:17:08 Does anyone here use pc-connectivity-manager at all? Jan 03 00:18:16 well it def uses .desktop files for the applications themselves... Jan 03 00:20:36 ovi chat down? Jan 03 00:21:15 if I want to code a widget in python which contains a ticker, what would be the way to go in terms of UI (gtk/qt) and UI-components? Jan 03 00:21:48 is ovi chat xmpp? Jan 03 00:23:57 maemo.org seems to have disappeared Jan 03 00:26:28 * jebba Waiting for headers again Jan 03 00:26:37 jebba is dead Jan 03 00:26:41 wha? Jan 03 00:26:42 autobuilder stopped too Jan 03 00:26:43 haha Jan 03 00:26:48 gateway dead Jan 03 00:27:09 Working for me now Jan 03 00:27:17 lets see. Standard Operating Procedure. 1) bitch for a few minutes. 2) ping X-Fade 3) bitch some more 4) perhaps file a bug report Jan 03 00:27:55 oh, forgot "check qaiku" Jan 03 00:28:08 nothing in qaiku Jan 03 00:29:14 destroy autobuilder Jan 03 00:31:18 why dont they set up mirrors? Jan 03 00:32:14 jebba: move to brainstorm Jan 03 00:32:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38095 Jan 03 00:32:21 ok Jan 03 00:32:28 SpeedEvil: think it will load? Jan 03 00:32:39 :) Jan 03 00:33:06 i can't imagine a company that can build hardware like the n900 can't get a couple dozen fkn servers running. It's not like this is something new or anything. Jan 03 00:33:08 jebba: m.o is not signing packages and you're suggesting third party mirrors? Jan 03 00:33:18 javispedro: heh Jan 03 00:33:20 it's the end of the world! Jan 03 00:33:42 ok, python 3.11 buiiilt properly now Jan 03 00:33:45 going to the gym Jan 03 00:36:15 i dont think i can even install quilt in the Maemo-kernel scratchbox :( Jan 03 00:39:59 47% [Waiting for headers] :/ Jan 03 00:41:17 anyone working on a facebook chat plugin for conversations? Jan 03 00:41:54 hi all , i'm trying to write an app using webkit but when I try to load a url I get : QMaemoInternetConnectivity erros .. something likeThe name com.nokia.icd was not provided by any .service file .. but my resolv.conf is ok .. any ideas? Jan 03 00:48:13 hexa: that is a scratchbox problem that I'm sure it's very common (so search a bit). It will work on device. Jan 03 00:48:32 javispedro, yeah that's what i've been doing but without much sucess ;( Jan 03 00:48:45 [hildon-welcome] Jan 03 00:48:56 filename=Hands-v32-h264.avi Jan 03 00:48:57 filename=maemo_flyby_xvid_lame_r3.avi Jan 03 00:49:07 javispedro, I get irc logs of ppl asking the same thing hehe Jan 03 00:49:11 anything wrong with that default.conf file? Jan 03 00:49:23 MaemohammadAG: I did the same but commented out the default one Jan 03 00:49:38 papo i may be weird but i want both Jan 03 00:50:04 do u know how to do it? Jan 03 00:50:13 a guy on youtube had it Jan 03 00:50:22 MaemohammadAG: Hm not sure if it works like this. But you could concatenate both the hands and the flyby video to one and use that Jan 03 00:50:51 hmm, not worth the trouble Jan 03 00:51:21 it's not that hard Jan 03 00:51:30 do i comment it out using # or //? Jan 03 00:51:45 well i know but i hate encoding stuff :p Jan 03 00:52:39 nvm, commented it out using # Jan 03 00:53:04 MaemohammadAG: I think I used # Jan 03 00:53:52 testing it. Jan 03 00:53:55 rebooting Jan 03 00:57:20 nope didn't work Jan 03 00:57:26 nothing showed up Jan 03 00:57:36 it just went into the homescreen Jan 03 01:00:25 MaemohammadAG: where did you put the flyby file? Jan 03 01:01:47 err Jan 03 01:02:13 http://talk.maemo.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=292 Jan 03 01:02:23 are 33% of N900s really with dead pixels?? Jan 03 01:02:45 Mine has none. Jan 03 01:02:51 /usr//usr/share/hildon-welcome/media Jan 03 01:02:56 Self-selecting sample. Jan 03 01:02:59 /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media Jan 03 01:03:06 and according to another poll, almost 50% have GPS issues?? Jan 03 01:03:10 Plus, some of htem are probably counting their fingers, if it's on talk. Jan 03 01:03:28 I have GPS issues. Jan 03 01:03:30 MaemohammadAG: Hm so did I and it works for me Jan 03 01:03:36 luke-jr it's a software issue Jan 03 01:03:46 the dead pixel thing Jan 03 01:03:48 MaemohammadAG: might as well be a hardware issue with Nokia's record Jan 03 01:03:53 speedevil which ones? Jan 03 01:04:03 dead pixels are not software issues in any sense O.o Jan 03 01:04:13 lol i've had an n97, so i know nokia well Jan 03 01:04:18 For example, GPS a couple of days when it was wanting to get a position after I opened the camera opened the connection dialog in the background. Jan 03 01:04:24 And did not inform me of this at all Jan 03 01:04:25 luke-jr they're not dead Jan 03 01:04:34 hence I was just pressing the shutter with no results. Jan 03 01:04:35 MaemohammadAG: N97 has no relation to N900 Jan 03 01:04:46 i called someone's post a fake once Jan 03 01:05:01 and as my fingers were cold and I was wearing gloves, I was assuming I had missed the shutter - hence possible device breakage as I pressed quite hard. Jan 03 01:05:05 luke-jr true, but it shows how nokia can have defects Jan 03 01:05:08 anyways Jan 03 01:05:11 SpeedEvil yeah gps dont really works without inet connection Jan 03 01:05:16 this suckz Jan 03 01:05:26 the guy had a screenshot of a 'dead' pixel Jan 03 01:05:32 MaemohammadAG: N8x0 show very well how Nokia doesn't bother to fix software defects Jan 03 01:05:44 woglinde: even with a fix? Jan 03 01:05:52 now, hw issues don't show up in screenshots Jan 03 01:05:52 MaemohammadAG: lol Jan 03 01:05:59 ping X-Fade Jan 03 01:06:10 MaemohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/m22d26c82 that's my config and it works perfectly Jan 03 01:06:16 is there anyone else to ping with the fkn REPOSITORIES are down? Jan 03 01:06:18 luke-jr didnt test Jan 03 01:06:21 so when i got my n900 i saw the same 'dead' pixel in the same position Jan 03 01:06:22 woglinde: hm? Jan 03 01:06:34 so i just flicked the page and it moved Jan 03 01:06:36 luke-jr second failure when using offline mode gps dont works too Jan 03 01:06:43 so it's not a dead pixel Jan 03 01:07:02 it only appears in the browser in the middle of the screen Jan 03 01:07:21 when moving between pages Jan 03 01:07:43 O.o Jan 03 01:08:13 GPS is kinda important to me... :/ Jan 03 01:09:20 luke-jr: It works fine as long as you never turn it off. Jan 03 01:09:23 :) Jan 03 01:09:25 im back Jan 03 01:09:27 lol Jan 03 01:09:41 SpeedEvil: so once it has a fix, it keeps it? Jan 03 01:09:44 the gps works better than i feared Jan 03 01:09:45 yes. Jan 03 01:09:51 hmm Jan 03 01:09:58 and it can get a fix on wifi? ;) Jan 03 01:10:00 If it has had a fix in the last couple of hours, it seems mostly OK Jan 03 01:10:02 ct only with inet connection Jan 03 01:10:03 luke-jr: yes Jan 03 01:10:07 gps gets a lock in 5 secs here Jan 03 01:10:13 woglinde: nope even without Jan 03 01:10:17 MaemohammadAG: with network positioning turned off? Jan 03 01:10:19 not mine Jan 03 01:10:21 MaemohammadAG: and are you sure it's gps? Jan 03 01:10:33 speedevil, agps is on Jan 03 01:10:34 woglinde: you have to run some app which doesnt shut the gps down like maemo mapper or so Jan 03 01:10:38 click the status area - does it show on the gps widget 'position coarse' Jan 03 01:10:45 SpeedEvil: any idea how AGPS works w/o cell? :P Jan 03 01:10:57 then you get a fix after some time .. actually it only took 5 minutes or so when i tried first Jan 03 01:11:00 cehteh: I don't plan to run Maemo. Jan 03 01:11:01 it gets to accuracy coarse then it gets a lock Jan 03 01:11:04 luke-jr: I assume it simply downloads ephemerides. Jan 03 01:11:15 here it alway wanted to open inet connection Jan 03 01:11:29 hm seems now it works Jan 03 01:11:29 well turn that off then Jan 03 01:11:32 offline Jan 03 01:11:35 SpeedEvil: but how? Jan 03 01:11:47 SpeedEvil: how does GPS talk to wifi? Jan 03 01:12:01 a-gps Jan 03 01:12:03 and with agps it gets a incredible fast fix .. almost when you leave your door Jan 03 01:12:09 luke-jr: I could answer this with tcpdump if I could be arsed. Jan 03 01:12:09 it uses the gsm cell Jan 03 01:12:13 Stskeeps tells me N900 GPS is hardware-GPS Jan 03 01:12:19 and contact the server Jan 03 01:12:20 but if carried in a pocket it is also very inaccurate Jan 03 01:12:25 luke-jr: uit's not. Jan 03 01:12:25 50 or more meters off Jan 03 01:12:27 luke-jr it is Jan 03 01:12:28 hardware GPS has connectivity how? Jan 03 01:12:38 (even when it reports detail accuracy) Jan 03 01:12:42 luke-jr: it's soft-gps - but the soft-gps bit is inside the phone modem CPU Jan 03 01:13:11 SpeedEvil: which has no connectivity without cell? Jan 03 01:13:16 hm no its started wifi Jan 03 01:13:18 *args* Jan 03 01:13:19 speedevil it has an hw gps receiver too Jan 03 01:13:23 woglinde: loo Jan 03 01:13:27 cehteh: I found that IU got consistent (4m or better) errors when I was driving with it in my front-right trouser pocket. Jan 03 01:13:39 MaemohammadAG: it doesn't. It's a soft-GPS run by the CPU in the modem. Jan 03 01:13:54 That soft-GPS implements a hard GPS effectively - or it should. Jan 03 01:13:54 SpeedEvil: maybe after some time but not initally when you leave the door and move Jan 03 01:13:57 then why is it in the schematics Jan 03 01:14:05 Schematics? Jan 03 01:14:22 I'm basing the commnet above on the comments of bugs on gps. Jan 03 01:14:25 well at least i am positively surprised that it works better than i expected ... but i expected the worst Jan 03 01:14:33 level 1 & 2 service manuals Jan 03 01:14:35 And poor datasheets from TI Jan 03 01:14:45 MaemohammadAG: I think you may be thinking of the GPS antenna. Jan 03 01:14:47 ... Jan 03 01:14:51 SpeedEvil: which has no connectivity without cell? Jan 03 01:14:58 i'm lost atm Jan 03 01:15:19 luke-jr: the modem cpu can be up and operating the GPS without the phone radio being on. Jan 03 01:15:20 you just have to know that you have to run some app which keeps the gps active .. the buildin/nokia apps shutdown gps before getting a fix (30 sec or so) when you dont have network Jan 03 01:15:23 if it has a gps antenna wouldn't have hw gps? Jan 03 01:15:31 MaemohammadAG: where can I find that manual? I'm interested in the schematics Jan 03 01:15:40 MaemohammadAG: sorry - slightly ambiguous. Jan 03 01:15:44 SpeedEvil: but how will it get AGPS info? Jan 03 01:15:55 papo nokiausers.net Jan 03 01:15:56 repos look up again Jan 03 01:15:59 on the forums Jan 03 01:16:01 luke internet suppl.nokia.com Jan 03 01:16:13 just search for the level 1 & 2 manuals Jan 03 01:16:35 cehteh: how does the phone get to the internet? Jan 03 01:16:38 MaemohammadAG: the term I'm using - hard gps - refers to a standalone GPS unit that can produce a position. Soft GPS refers to a dumb radio which is used to recieve the signal only, and then is handed off to another processor to do the sums. Jan 03 01:16:48 MaemohammadAG: neither of these direclty relates to agps. Jan 03 01:16:55 luke-jr: you need to have a data connection open Jan 03 01:16:59 level 1 and 2 has no schematics Jan 03 01:17:06 MaemohammadAG: Interesting, thank you Jan 03 01:17:07 simply which screws to undo Jan 03 01:17:11 cehteh: SpeedEvil said it works w/ only WiFi Jan 03 01:17:22 luke-jr: actually there are different kinds if locating the phone. . read the docs Jan 03 01:17:23 luke-jr: no, I said it works with wifi Jan 03 01:17:27 luke-jr: not only. Jan 03 01:17:31 I said it only works with inet connection here Jan 03 01:17:33 its transparent to the user Jan 03 01:17:37 speedevil i get you know Jan 03 01:17:38 SpeedEvil: read it again Jan 03 01:17:49 cehteh: transparent to the user - ideally. Jan 03 01:17:50 thought you meant hw gps by hard gps Jan 03 01:18:11 cehteh: I have no docs Jan 03 01:18:23 luke-jr: you need *some* kind of internet connection for agps .. either g2/g3 or wlan .. whatever works Jan 03 01:18:41 cehteh: How does the GPS/phone talk to the WiFi? Jan 03 01:18:50 *sigh* Jan 03 01:18:53 firmware Jan 03 01:18:58 luke-jr: throught he phone module only Jan 03 01:18:59 the gsm modem reports the cell Jan 03 01:19:02 cehteh: there is no physical connection Jan 03 01:19:07 and the server knows where the cell is Jan 03 01:19:15 luke-jr: the gps is not connected to the main CPU, only to the phone module. Jan 03 01:19:17 luke-jr: some daemon does that Jan 03 01:19:23 SpeedEvil: exactly my point Jan 03 01:19:29 cehteh: what daemon? Jan 03 01:19:35 This year is sponsored by letters MMX. Jan 03 01:19:36 find out by yourself Jan 03 01:19:36 cehteh: how does that daemon talk to the GPS? Jan 03 01:19:40 cehteh: how? Jan 03 01:19:45 remember, I don't have one Jan 03 01:19:52 luke-jr: the CPU then talks to the phone module, which does the GPSy stuff Jan 03 01:19:54 well then wait until you have one Jan 03 01:20:04 cehteh: -.- Jan 03 01:20:09 liblocation and location-daemon Jan 03 01:20:13 iirc the gps is connected via gpio .. or may be i2c .. i dont know exactly Jan 03 01:20:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS Jan 03 01:20:36 cehteh: the above - links to a bug where it's stated that the gps is connected to the phone. Jan 03 01:20:38 the protocolls about interfacing with the gps are not open unfortunally Jan 03 01:20:47 luke-jr: Jan 03 01:21:18 SpeedEvil: no new info there Jan 03 01:21:27 cehteh: Stskeeps told me it did NMEA on a UART Jan 03 01:21:30 SpeedEvil: ah ok then the celluar firmware does it all Jan 03 01:21:41 hm okay intressting Jan 03 01:21:43 luke-jr: the bug specifically says that it's connected to the phone module not the main cpu Jan 03 01:21:48 I thought it was a real gps Jan 03 01:21:54 luke-jr: I think Stskeeps is wrong. Jan 03 01:22:00 luke-jr: maybe (well nmea can be just emulated by the firmware, not native to the gps chip) Jan 03 01:22:10 SpeedEvil: that's why I'm wondering how the phone module does A-GPS when it has no internet itself Jan 03 01:22:10 MaemohammadAG: Hm sais "schematics - pending" Jan 03 01:22:15 luke-jr: I've poked around all the uards I can find, and straced everything, and can find no nmea output. Jan 03 01:22:21 cehteh: yes, NMEA is by the phone part Jan 03 01:22:24 papo http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32388-nokia-n900-rx-51-service-manual-service-level-1-2-a.html Jan 03 01:22:32 SpeedEvil: even N810 had NMEA... Jan 03 01:22:56 well nmea doesnt tell anything because its the most simple and one direction protocol Jan 03 01:23:18 MaemohammadAG: that has no schematics. Jan 03 01:23:28 to be serious you want to have some control over the receiver .. upload an cached almanac and stuff Jan 03 01:23:33 download the file Jan 03 01:23:37 luke-jr: nmea doesn't actually help - it reports positions. Jan 03 01:24:14 luke-jr: if the GPS is confused as to its current position - nmea output saying this won't help you Jan 03 01:24:24 Unfortunately right now our servers are overloaded and we have no more download slots left for non-members. Of course you can also try again later. Jan 03 01:24:38 SpeedEvil: I want to be sure I won't have the same problems with N900 that this stupid N810 gives me Jan 03 01:24:53 off to bed, nn Jan 03 01:24:56 Anyway - I have the file of that size. Jan 03 01:25:00 luke-jr hm seems without inet its more stupid Jan 03 01:25:03 It does _NOT_ have schematics in. Jan 03 01:25:22 MaemohammadAG: cya Jan 03 01:25:22 speedevil maybe i misused the term Jan 03 01:25:55 it has the disassembly instructions along with some solder points on the last page Jan 03 01:26:05 http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA01/Schematic_1973-GTA01_public_RC0.pdf Jan 03 01:26:08 this is a schematic Jan 03 01:26:23 it lists the interconnection of every device soldered onto the PCB Jan 03 01:27:23 (and coincidentally is my last phone) Jan 03 01:27:53 I have seem L3 and L4 service manual claims - but don't have the cash atm to follow them up Jan 03 01:28:10 SpeedEvil, thanks for the correction. most users on the forum refer to them as schematics, which is wrong the way i see it now Jan 03 01:28:34 hm exactly, the picture is not a schematic (technically speaking), but thank you anyway Jan 03 01:28:55 It's useful. Jan 03 01:28:59 but L/ Jan 03 01:29:02 :/ Jan 03 01:29:18 sorry for wasting your time Jan 03 01:29:22 didn't mean it Jan 03 01:29:33 np Jan 03 01:29:37 MaemohammadAG: and http://pastebin.com/m30328b9e Jan 03 01:30:50 oh ok. so you didn't use the same file you downloaded Jan 03 01:31:20 I can't downlaod the file from rapidshare - I have a file with the same title, and filesize already. Jan 03 01:31:29 I'm assuming it's the same file. Jan 03 01:31:48 it's just the level 1 & 2 manual Jan 03 01:31:56 if that's what you have Jan 03 01:32:13 yes Jan 03 01:32:15 the one that has confidential (ha, yeah right) on it Jan 03 01:32:35 MaemohammadAG: this is just about concatenating Jan 03 01:32:52 MaemohammadAG: output.mpg contains both. I don't use this but wanted to give it a try Jan 03 01:33:10 kk, thanks mate Jan 03 01:33:11 MaemohammadAG: and it works with the config file from the first pastebin link I showed Jan 03 01:33:14 np Jan 03 01:33:34 thanks again Jan 03 01:33:40 you are welcome Jan 03 01:33:45 :) Jan 03 01:33:49 don't know how the youtube-guy did it, though Jan 03 01:34:16 neither do i, he said they should play in alphabatical order Jan 03 01:34:32 anyways, it's getting late nn Jan 03 01:34:39 * MaemohammadAG is away Jan 03 01:34:46 nn Jan 03 01:37:20 hm looks like I can't poll for the battery level while charging... no way around that? Jan 03 01:37:48 papo: look at cur_voltage Jan 03 01:38:39 lshal|grep battery_voltage_current Jan 03 01:38:52 would be nice to make some app with interpolates that to the actual level (and also tricky because the charging curve is not linear) Jan 03 01:39:06 3V is dead flat, 4.1+ is topping off Jan 03 01:39:54 cehteh: I was thinking about precisely that. Even though the curve is not linear, it should be quite easy to interpolate the voltage... I guess I'll give it a try Jan 03 01:40:38 3V means you need a new battery .. liion gets damaged when drained too much :) Jan 03 01:41:07 3V is fine Jan 03 01:41:18 2.5V with some makers Jan 03 01:41:29 well depends on the actual chemistry .. maybe these can go that low Jan 03 01:41:32 3-4.2 is the typically specified voltage Jan 03 01:41:43 laptop cells shouldnt go lower than 3.2V Jan 03 01:41:47 Of essentially all cellphone bats. Jan 03 01:41:50 ok Jan 03 01:42:00 cehteh: no 18650 datasheets I've found say 3.2 Jan 03 01:42:29 SpeedEvil: Hm not sure if I understand this Jan 03 01:43:01 papo: It's annoyingly complex alas. Jan 03 01:43:07 as far is I know, Li-batteries are charged in two steps... first with constant current and then with constant voltage Jan 03 01:43:09 Which is probably why they skipped it. Jan 03 01:43:14 papo: yes. Jan 03 01:43:21 papo: you meant "extrapolate" Jan 03 01:43:27 fuck! Jan 03 01:43:31 The first part puts >80% or so of the charge in. Jan 03 01:43:34 even with python 3.11 it STILL wont build Jan 03 01:43:36 fockers Jan 03 01:44:18 crashanddie: err yes, and then interpolate for further runs based in that Jan 03 01:44:37 papo: actually, would still be extrapolate Jan 03 01:44:47 crashanddie: probably, yes :) Jan 03 01:45:45 SpeedEvil: did you actually profile it? If not I guess I'll have to do that first Jan 03 01:47:24 papo: no - general knowledge from reading way too many battery spec sheets. Jan 03 01:47:31 ok :) Jan 03 01:47:40 papo: the amount that goes in in the constant voltage phase varies - it's less with a new battery. Jan 03 01:48:23 papo: Tests I did with graphing that voltage output indicate that it is probably preprocessed by some software badly somewhere. Jan 03 01:48:40 papo: it is very jumpy, not in a manner consistent with normal battery behaviour. Jan 03 01:48:51 hm Jan 03 01:49:13 did you guarantee the cpu/network/disk were idle for the entire test though? Jan 03 01:49:37 I assume any of them going active will drag the voltage down a bit, and it'll jump back up after it goes idle again? Jan 03 01:50:05 Caesium: yes - but it diddn't. Jan 03 01:50:16 * SpeedEvil wonders if he can find the graph Jan 03 01:50:24 would be interested to see it Jan 03 01:50:38 I noticed the same sort of jumpiness but my testing was limited to just a few looks at lshal | grep batt :) Jan 03 01:50:38 SpeedEvil: how bad is badly? maybe the data can be smoothed or something Jan 03 01:50:48 SpeedEvil: I'd also be very interested in this Jan 03 01:50:51 about ~50mV variations iirc Jan 03 01:51:48 I don't know much about batteries but I have a strong background in Biostatistics, I think I can make it if the data allows it Jan 03 01:52:13 papo: It is smoothed. Jan 03 01:52:16 That's the problem. Jan 03 01:52:19 I don't know anything about Li-ions, my interest lies more in sealed lead acids, got a huge bank of solar batteries here :) Jan 03 01:52:34 It doesn't decay slowly like you would expect of a battery, it goes in jumps. Jan 03 01:52:53 hm ok Jan 03 01:53:09 And I seem to have mislaid my log of it. Jan 03 01:54:30 SpeedEvil: a vague estimate would be enough for me, it's just that I plug in the charger, then forget when I started and some time later I have no clue how long it's going to need until it's charged... maybe this is also because I got the device a few days ago and don't have any impression yet about how long it takes to charge Jan 03 01:55:27 papo: the voltage is good. Though oddly it seems to report 4.1, not 4.2 even when charged. Jan 03 01:55:43 I need to cross-check it with a meter. Jan 03 02:01:22 hm. I understand that there are some special hildon widgets/selectors Jan 03 02:01:59 I'm trying to code a home widget with a ticker... I'm sure there are several ways to do that, so I'm looking for some hints Jan 03 02:02:38 you mean a desktop widget? Jan 03 02:04:06 SpeedEvil: yes Jan 03 02:04:21 haha Jan 03 02:04:25 pretty good read: http://www.amazon.com/Sodomy-Pirate-Tradition-Seventeenth-Century-Caribbean/dp/0814712363 Jan 03 02:04:27 * SpeedEvil tries to think of acailable widgets. Jan 03 02:04:33 Can't think of one with a ticker. Jan 03 02:04:40 SpeedEvil: like the rss widget or the Ovi widget Jan 03 02:04:49 SVG! Jan 03 02:05:06 papo: are eighter of those open source? Jan 03 02:05:43 SpeedEvil: don't think so, but I came across an introduction for such widgets and found some in the extra repos, so it should be possible someho Jan 03 02:05:44 w Jan 03 02:06:11 SpeedEvil: I'm thinking of a nagios widget... I took a gnome project written in python and stripped the pygtk/UI stuff and want to replace that to make a decent widget Jan 03 02:06:33 Nagios? Jan 03 02:06:59 but it looks like I'm much better in command line programs than in anything with a GUI, so I'm kind of lost for the second part Jan 03 02:07:04 SpeedEvil: yes it's a monitoring framework Jan 03 02:07:11 ah Jan 03 02:07:29 SpeedEvil: you can set up a couple of hosts and services to monitor and when anything goes down it sends emails or pager notices Jan 03 02:08:32 A simple widget for stupid people would be nice. Jan 03 02:08:45 It takes input from a pipe Jan 03 02:09:01 you send it and it displays it Jan 03 02:09:07 or it displays text Jan 03 02:09:18 yes text would be what I'm looking for Jan 03 02:09:34 the problem is that I have tons of services which usually all have the status OK Jan 03 02:09:47 so it wouldn't make sense to come up with a giant widget Jan 03 02:09:59 normally you'd just hide any with status OK, surely? Jan 03 02:10:12 Caesium: yes Jan 03 02:10:39 you'd need a script to generate the text to the widget I guess Jan 03 02:10:43 Caesium: but still, I usually have 1-3 services with a status of 'warning' or 'critical' Jan 03 02:11:14 so I don't want to make the widget 4 lines (3 services + scrolling) high since most of the space would be unused most of the time Jan 03 02:11:21 a ticker would be more appropriate IMO Jan 03 02:16:48 man, still finding deps that are needed Jan 03 02:16:52 freeking openal Jan 03 02:16:53 what a pain Jan 03 02:19:01 How do I get fdisk on the device Jan 03 02:19:06 on the n900 Jan 03 02:19:30 apt-get install cfdisk Jan 03 02:19:34 there is sfdisk there Jan 03 02:19:42 but silly fdisk is silly Jan 03 02:21:00 how is it sillly? Jan 03 02:21:33 E: Couldn't find package cfdisk Jan 03 02:22:20 cfdisk is in extras-devel Jan 03 02:22:49 sfdisk relies on the user to input all data with essentially no checks. Jan 03 02:23:10 cfdisk is 9K larger and is moderately user friendly Jan 03 02:23:55 err - no. Jan 03 02:24:03 cfdisk also pulls in curses Jan 03 02:24:11 which makes it a fair bit larger Jan 03 02:25:18 oh Jan 03 02:25:27 dude, we have 32G Jan 03 02:25:39 256 on / Jan 03 02:25:41 M Jan 03 02:25:51 oh, yeah...fuck Jan 03 02:26:04 whose idea was that? and why aren't we using LVM like palm? Jan 03 02:27:15 why would it? Jan 03 02:28:31 so, we can resize in the field Jan 03 02:29:10 a hex on palm Jan 03 02:29:28 but only for dissapointing me by never releasing cobalt Jan 03 02:30:48 kamN900, you don't like the webos? Jan 03 02:31:15 never used it, though I hear it evolved from a fork of cobalt Jan 03 02:31:40 I like what I've seenn from the commercials, but Im bitter that cobalt never came Jan 03 02:31:55 some early footage looked pretty awesome Jan 03 02:32:06 somewhat like what memo5 offers now Jan 03 02:32:20 and what happens when the lvm gets corrupted and you cant make an emergency phone call? Jan 03 02:32:45 well, same question for you, but insert root partition gets full and phone reboots Jan 03 02:33:35 I'd much rather wait for a reboot than waiting for a reflash Jan 03 02:35:29 lpotter, when has lvm gotten corrupted for you? Jan 03 02:35:39 lots of times Jan 03 02:36:00 What were you doing to it? and was this lvm2? Jan 03 02:38:14 wasnt doing anything to it. came into work one day, machine was off. once they fixed the hardware, it wouldnt boot as lvm was borked. Jan 03 02:39:34 hmm. Jan 03 02:39:39 Odd Jan 03 02:39:59 we run LVM on almost all of our hardware at work, and I've never seen _any_ issues with it Jan 03 02:44:13 cross fingers, I just tried to compile openmp out of the source Jan 03 02:45:26 if this thing works, Im gonnna need some help with the packaging portion Jan 03 02:45:33 never made a deb before Jan 03 02:45:48 more like when this thing works Jan 03 02:53:52 whoever fixed up xchat, kudos Jan 03 02:55:36 next: please fix the random reboots Jan 03 02:56:34 * SpeedEvil has never had one. Jan 03 02:56:51 * SpeedEvil wonders what wierd stuff ceh901 is doing. Jan 03 02:58:00 nothing just crashes 1-3 times a day without reason Jan 03 02:58:33 playing netradio but otherwise idle Jan 03 02:58:40 ive had no issue as well Jan 03 02:58:52 did you flash your device Jan 03 02:58:57 I never play netradio Jan 03 02:59:42 yes. that maybe fixed it for 2days **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 03 02:59:58 2010