**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 17 02:59:56 2010
Jan 17 03:01:25 <jooseppi> one fucking question: six hundred euros and the phone doesnt respond when i plug it into a charger. 12 hours and i will buy a fucking nexus 1
Jan 17 03:01:59 <GeneralAntilles> jooseppi, huh?
Jan 17 03:02:04 * DocScrutinizer fails to read the '?'
Jan 17 03:02:20 <GeneralAntilles> jooseppi, perhaps you got a defective unit?
Jan 17 03:02:28 <GeneralAntilles> jooseppi, hardware defects have been known to happen. . . .
Jan 17 03:02:28 <ShadowJK_> 2 years warranty
Jan 17 03:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-17 03:57:35] <DocScrutinizer> sorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken?
Jan 17 03:03:15 <jooseppi> thanks, will get back to you tomorrow. the charger is working fine btw.
Jan 17 03:03:21 <jooseppi> but the phone is wasted
Jan 17 03:03:21 <jooseppi> bye
Jan 17 03:03:42 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Jan 17 03:04:05 <KenYoung> For a maemo 5 application, is it possible that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls?
Jan 17 03:04:35 <KenYoung> For a maemo 5 application  that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls?
Jan 17 03:04:55 <woglinde_> ????
Jan 17 03:05:03 <woglinde_> liblocation dont uses dbus
Jan 17 03:05:14 <woglinde_> only glib
Jan 17 03:06:01 <woglinde_> good nite
Jan 17 03:06:12 <KenYoung> woglinde_, If liblocation doesn't use DBUS, how does it acquire the GPS data?
Jan 17 03:07:10 <ShadowJK_> from gpsd probably
Jan 17 03:07:11 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how anybody can state 'charger works fine' when there's no LED or anything on that black block and charging is not working allegedly
Jan 17 03:08:46 <torindel> DocScrutinizer: maybe he got other nokia?
Jan 17 03:09:15 <DocScrutinizer51> aybe
Jan 17 03:09:58 <DocScrutinizer51> though I seem to remember he said he's drunk
Jan 17 03:10:07 <torindel> xD
Jan 17 03:14:31 <DocScrutinizer51> anecdotal tale. the battery of my 6210 worked for 8 years 24/7 and still has 70% today. I have to say I virtually never discharged it to flat all those 8 years of usage
Jan 17 03:16:04 <DocScrutinizer51> common notion is that's impossible for LiIon. Supposed to be dead after 5 years. No matter if used or not
Jan 17 03:17:25 <KenYoung> DocScrutinizer, The temperature matters a lot, doen't it?
Jan 17 03:17:34 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
Jan 17 03:18:38 <DocScrutinizer51> and storing on flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry
Jan 17 03:18:58 <DocScrutinizer51> s/on/while/
Jan 17 03:18:59 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51 meant: and storing while flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry
Jan 17 03:20:03 <bfree> lol, infobot does regular expressions :-p
Jan 17 03:20:54 <DocScrutinizer51> not really
Jan 17 03:21:15 <DocScrutinizer51> xxxxxxxxxxxx
Jan 17 03:21:24 <DocScrutinizer51> s/x/xxx/g
Jan 17 03:21:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51 meant: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jan 17 03:21:38 <DocScrutinizer51> ;f)
Jan 17 03:21:52 <DocScrutinizer51> s/f/-/
Jan 17 03:21:52 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51 meant: ;-)
Jan 17 03:22:33 <bfree> lol, looks like perl regular expressions to me
Jan 17 03:23:07 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah. but it,s kinda filtered. So the better parts won't work
Jan 17 03:24:22 <jebba> man, the outages are so common nowadays, people don't even bother to file the bug report  ;)
Jan 17 03:24:30 <DocScrutinizer51> s/bet*er/xXXx/
Jan 17 03:24:33 <jebba> how many hours have they been down?
Jan 17 03:25:33 <DocScrutinizer51> jebba: maybe trac is down as well? ;-P
Jan 17 03:25:56 <yuizy> test
Jan 17 03:25:59 <yuizy> s/t/e/g
Jan 17 03:26:00 <infobot> yuizy meant: eese
Jan 17 03:26:07 <yuizy> s/e/che/
Jan 17 03:26:07 <infobot> yuizy meant: tchest
Jan 17 03:26:11 <yuizy> :(
Jan 17 03:30:16 <goriofab> wath happened with maemo's repository?
Jan 17 03:30:43 <goriofab> what..
Jan 17 03:31:30 <smps> go1dfish, read topic
Jan 17 03:36:46 <cityOfLights> hi
Jan 17 03:37:15 <cityOfLights> how come repository.maemo.org is : unknown host ?
Jan 17 03:37:50 <odin_> due to poorly planned changes to the maemo.org network
Jan 17 03:39:16 <cityOfLights> odin_: oh, so what is the IP address?
Jan 17 03:39:27 <cityOfLights> when will it be back online?
Jan 17 03:41:34 <odin_> dont know on that one
Jan 17 03:42:05 <cityOfLights> thanks
Jan 17 03:49:50 <matthew-> ANY good ToDo planner ?
Jan 17 03:49:53 <matthew-> foe n900 ?
Jan 17 03:53:56 <SplasPood> I'd love something that syncs with RTM, but I haven't seen any yet
Jan 17 04:01:11 <SplasPood> hrm.. is the move related to why tablets-dev.nokia.com is broken?
Jan 17 04:02:25 <Elleo> SplasPood: NoLazy has RTM support
Jan 17 04:02:34 <Elleo> (in extras-devel)
Jan 17 04:02:43 <SplasPood> oh?  I'll have to check it out when/if repository is fixed ;)
Jan 17 04:03:05 <Elleo> there is a mirror at http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/ if you're impatient
Jan 17 04:27:10 <uhsf> so I'm about to confirm my order of a Nokia N900 at newegg.ca and be part of your community is that good
Jan 17 04:32:19 <uhsf> now I think I will just drink a beer to ease the pain on my so desperate nerd soul who can barely afford such expensive product
Jan 17 04:34:33 <Proteous> heh
Jan 17 04:44:28 <DocScrutinizer51> you'll forget that pain once you hold it in your hands
Jan 17 04:51:08 <goodwill> uhsf: I agree with DocScrutinizer
Jan 17 04:51:23 <goodwill> uhsf: I went back and forth on n900 decision ...
Jan 17 04:51:31 <goodwill> uhsf: but it totally rocks
Jan 17 04:51:57 <pwnguin> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/16/apple-retaliates-requests-us-import-ban-on-nokia-phones/
Jan 17 04:52:10 <pwnguin> good thing i got mine already!
Jan 17 04:52:21 <goodwill> flipping APPLY
Jan 17 04:52:23 <goodwill> APPLE
Jan 17 04:52:28 <goodwill> back to their tricks
Jan 17 04:53:02 <pwnguin> well, i gather nokia did it first
Jan 17 04:53:06 <goodwill> both companies got to flipping stop doing this
Jan 17 04:53:15 <goodwill> pwnguin: yeah ... but I dislike apple more :)
Jan 17 05:05:01 <GeneralAntilles> pwnguin, they're both pretty goddamn culpable. ;)
Jan 17 05:05:47 <pwnguin> from what i gather apple bought some exclusive multitouch patents
Jan 17 05:06:20 <pwnguin> and nokia would very much like to offer a competing product
Jan 17 05:07:20 <pwnguin> its not the first time apple's secured killer features as exclusives. the original ipod had an 18 month contract for all of the micro hard drives
Jan 17 05:11:18 <goodwill> pwnguin: thats strange ... cause ipod was nto the first device to use them
Jan 17 05:11:48 <pwnguin> goodwill: you sure?
Jan 17 05:12:04 <goodwill> ipod was not the first mp3 player to use them
Jan 17 05:12:11 <goodwill> it was just most popular at the time
Jan 17 05:12:32 <pwnguin> name another one
Jan 17 05:12:37 <microlith> what other mp3 player used the 5GB 1.8" drives?
Jan 17 05:13:00 <microlith> The nomad was out, but it used 2.5" drives
Jan 17 05:14:22 <goodwill> thats not how I understood your comment pwnguin
Jan 17 05:15:07 <goodwill> maybe I am wrong
Jan 17 05:17:03 <pwnguin> if microdrive has a specific meaning, im not sure what it is
Jan 17 05:17:18 <pwnguin> im talkin bout the original ipod design
Jan 17 05:17:55 <oscillik> the iPod wasn't Apple's idea anyway, an ex-Psion engineer sold his idea to Apple
Jan 17 05:18:59 <goodwill> Apple does not innovate  .. they polish
Jan 17 05:19:39 <oscillik> indeed
Jan 17 05:20:34 <microlith> pwnguin: if you ask me what a microdrive is, I'd point you to the compact-flash formfactor hard disks IBM created back around the time of the original iPod Mini
Jan 17 05:20:48 <microlith> and other devices were definitely using those
Jan 17 05:21:03 <oscillik> they were out before iPod mini
Jan 17 05:21:12 <microlith> yup
Jan 17 05:21:14 <ColdFyre> is it a HW or SW issue jumping from 2.5G to 3G constantly?
Jan 17 05:21:25 <oscillik> i remember people trying to get those ibm microdrives to work in Psion handhelds
Jan 17 05:21:35 <oscillik> back in 1998-1999
Jan 17 05:21:47 <goodwill> ColdFyre: it sounds like the cell phone is detecting availablity
Jan 17 05:21:59 <goodwill> ColdFyre: there is a plugin to limit it to one or another
Jan 17 05:22:00 <microlith> oscillik: I wanted to get a 6GB one and stick it in a zaurus SL-C860
Jan 17 05:22:11 <pwnguin> alright. well i cant source it right now but i recall reading that apple had an exclusive contract on the high capacity drives in the 1st gen ipod
Jan 17 05:22:24 <microlith> pwnguin: not unlikely
Jan 17 05:22:31 <ColdFyre> that plugin though, if it can't hold the 3G, then i have no service
Jan 17 05:22:56 <microlith> ColdFyre: t-mobile?
Jan 17 05:23:02 <ColdFyre> yes
Jan 17 05:23:15 <goodwill> no service?
Jan 17 05:23:21 <microlith> off chance that your 3G signal is real weak where you are
Jan 17 05:23:29 <goodwill> I use t-mobile ... I force it down to 2.5
Jan 17 05:23:43 <goodwill> but then I do not really use the data services
Jan 17 05:24:03 <ColdFyre> sometimes it will hold the 3g for hours, other times it's stuck at 2.5, i dunno
Jan 17 05:24:15 * microlith is still on AT&T
Jan 17 05:24:17 <goodwill> I do not think its a phone thing
Jan 17 05:24:25 <goodwill> I think its network availablity
Jan 17 05:24:52 <oscillik> T-Mobile (at least in the UK) are pretty bad for 3G
Jan 17 05:24:59 <oscillik> as well as Orange
Jan 17 05:25:25 <goodwill> in US its pretty good
Jan 17 05:25:28 <ColdFyre> hm, i'm in the US, silicon valley to be more specific
Jan 17 05:25:51 <goodwill> sillicon valley should have good 3g
Jan 17 05:25:58 <microlith> should, but this is t-mobile
Jan 17 05:26:05 <microlith> AT&T and verizon probably have the area covered
Jan 17 05:26:07 <goodwill> 'WFM
Jan 17 05:26:08 <goodwill> WFM
Jan 17 05:26:37 * ColdFyre shrugs
Jan 17 05:26:45 <ColdFyre> on another note, what is up with repository.maemo.org ?
Jan 17 05:26:54 <microlith> server migration, isp dropped the ball
Jan 17 05:27:26 <ColdFyre> ah, i spent hours dicking with the dns on my phone thinking i broke something
Jan 17 05:27:39 <oscillik> anyone have any clue when it'll be back up?
Jan 17 05:27:57 <goodwill> at least 3 iphone users at work now want the next version of N9x
Jan 17 05:28:02 <goodwill> N9xx
Jan 17 05:28:08 <goodwill> after seeing mine
Jan 17 05:28:15 <microlith> goodwill: co-worker of mine is drooling over mine, only thing holding him back is the price
Jan 17 05:28:25 <goodwill> on top of it all they really hate AT&T
Jan 17 05:28:40 <goodwill> they do not want the hardware keyboard though
Jan 17 05:28:42 <goodwill> and I love it
Jan 17 05:28:54 <microlith> hardware keyboard was a selling point for me
Jan 17 05:29:00 <oscillik> same here
Jan 17 05:29:00 <goodwill> me too
Jan 17 05:29:09 <microlith> real easy to avoid the iPhone/other android devices
Jan 17 05:29:48 <goodwill> apple is so stupid for not having a iphone version with hardware keyboard
Jan 17 05:29:49 <oscillik> lol Nexus One - with added battery-sucking 'Live Wallpaper'
Jan 17 05:30:16 <goodwill> a lot of business users I know do not want to give up their blackberries because of the keyboard
Jan 17 05:31:03 <goodwill> not to mention lock down on activesync
Jan 17 05:31:31 <goodwill> a friend of mine set up outlook > gmail > net sync just so he can see from his local computer
Jan 17 05:31:47 <goodwill> he almost cried when he saw my bluetooth syncing
Jan 17 05:32:10 <oscillik> only thing i miss android for is Google Maps, and Google contacts integration. oh and push Gmail of course. i really miss that
Jan 17 05:33:36 <goodwill> oscillik: ruskie has modest copiled version with IMAP IDLE
Jan 17 05:34:05 <mza> when's that coming?
Jan 17 05:34:06 <mza> IMAP IDLE
Jan 17 05:34:10 <microlith> my only problem with using imap and gmail was it synced 200 spam messages
Jan 17 05:34:18 <goodwill> oscillik: also MfE works with m.google.com
Jan 17 05:34:24 <goodwill> not perfectly but still works
Jan 17 05:34:33 <oscillik> yeah. not perfectly.
Jan 17 05:34:38 <goodwill> it will all be here soon
Jan 17 05:34:50 <goodwill> I give it 6 month till its all fixed up
Jan 17 05:35:12 <oscillik> tbh, just the fact that the email client doesn't support IMAP IDLE, that's a really big let down from my perspective
Jan 17 05:35:37 <oscillik> if it'd support that, i'd have no major complaints about the N900
Jan 17 05:35:42 <mza> IMAP IDLE and any kind of calendar sync
Jan 17 05:36:06 <goodwill> oscillik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#My_repos
Jan 17 05:36:14 <mza> well, decent calendar sync
Jan 17 05:36:27 <goodwill> oscillik: I managed to set up successfull gmail sync
Jan 17 05:36:53 <goodwill> oscillik: talk to ruskie first though ... he had some bits of info on it
Jan 17 05:37:08 <oscillik> goodwill: i tried getting that to work, couldn't even add the repository. App Manager was complaining it couldn't access t or something
Jan 17 05:37:32 <goodwill> oscillik: you need to import the ssl certificate
Jan 17 05:38:01 <oscillik> i don't remember reading anything about that in the wiki :-/
Jan 17 05:38:15 <goodwill> oscillik: talk to ruskie ... he is around all the time
Jan 17 05:39:13 <blizzow> What's the story with Vuze shares on the N900 media player.  I see my roommate's vuze instance, but can't see mine.  I was wondering how I might make it available to my N900.
Jan 17 05:40:10 <oscillik> goodwill: thanks, i shall give him a nudge sometime. i'm gonna head off to bed i think now though - it's 5:39am here :p
Jan 17 05:40:33 <goodwill> blizzow: vuze shares? what service is it using?
Jan 17 05:40:57 * goodwill loves the stylus
Jan 17 05:41:11 <goodwill> I just can not believe you can not buy replace ones from nokia
Jan 17 05:42:06 <GeneralAntilles> I don't use the stylus much
Jan 17 05:42:11 <GeneralAntilles> But the one on the N800 was top-notch
Jan 17 05:42:20 <GeneralAntilles> First stylus since the Newton that actually felt good to hold.
Jan 17 05:42:45 <goodwill> I like the fact that n900 stylus is flat
Jan 17 05:43:08 <pronto> hrm, the camera needs a panorama  thing
Jan 17 05:43:57 <blizzow> goodwill: I have no idea, I just see my roommate's vuze instance in the media player  In the lower left part of the window, it just says "vuze on roommatecomputer"  I tap it, and it shows no shared files.
Jan 17 05:43:57 <blizzow> If I can have access to my desktop library via the media player, I would configure vuze to share it.
Jan 17 05:45:36 <goodwill> blizzow: maybe he did not configure it to share actual files
Jan 17 05:45:55 <DocScrutinizer> goodwill: the finish site with spare parts lists sylus for 7.5 EUR
Jan 17 05:46:15 <goodwill> dockane_: U am in US ... I doubt they will ship it here
Jan 17 05:46:54 <blizzow> goodwill: I set up a "classic-share" on my own desktop and I still only see my roommate's vuze instance.  I guess I'm more wondering if there is a way to choose from multiple vuze shares.
Jan 17 05:48:03 <DocScrutinizer51> http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900
Jan 17 05:49:48 <blizzow> And I was also wondering if there is a way to manually refresh the media library.  A bunch of files are listed in my library that are no longer there.
Jan 17 05:50:10 <goodwill> dockane_: I think they are out of stock
Jan 17 05:50:28 <goodwill> DocScrutinizer: thank you for the tip  but I think they are out of stock
Jan 17 06:04:52 <uhsf> at least in the next few days i will have a nice and shiny new phone if someone ever decides to call me!
Jan 17 06:06:09 <fureddo> Anyone has the latest link to the Maemo 5 SDK installter?
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