**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 02 02:59:58 2010 Feb 02 03:00:09 btw, google trends is pretty moot Feb 02 03:00:10 Lol.. Feb 02 03:00:14 yes... Feb 02 03:00:16 Now its mounted, then? Feb 02 03:00:29 javispedro: How do i open that img to install windows Feb 02 03:00:33 * javispedro dies Feb 02 03:00:38 what the ? Feb 02 03:00:57 peter: imgmount d <-- D:\ Feb 02 03:01:08 Your free support contract has expired. Please renew your contract by sending $30 to ... Feb 02 03:01:21 lol Feb 02 03:01:26 iPeter-: this channel isn't here to support dosbox Feb 02 03:01:44 Does it bother you if i ask help in here? Feb 02 03:01:54 well, the first 5 minutes were cute Feb 02 03:01:58 now it's annoying Feb 02 03:02:07 yes, and I will go to bed soon. Feb 02 03:02:12 Well sorry. Feb 02 03:02:21 how do i get < symbol :E Feb 02 03:02:40 you know, it's like the kitten drowning in the pool... First you go "awww, he's trying to get out", 10 minutes later when it stops moving it's no longer fun... You've nearly stopped moving Feb 02 03:02:45 iPeter-: you can't Feb 02 03:03:14 Well one thing then, how do i open that installion? :S Feb 02 03:03:39 iPeter-: if you loaded rover.sys, then you've done all the specific maemo bits. from now It's identical to what you get in DOSBox on any platform. and I'm sure there are some dosbox guides floating around the internet. Feb 02 03:03:59 floating around on maemo.org as well Feb 02 03:04:12 it will be much efficient to just follow them. Feb 02 03:04:19 s/much/more Feb 02 03:04:43 s/much/more Feb 02 03:04:54 s/more/more\// Feb 02 03:05:02 tsss Feb 02 03:05:03 infobot is gone, so it doesn't matter. Feb 02 03:05:08 infobot: hello Feb 02 03:05:10 Howdy Bub Feb 02 03:05:19 infobot: damn you Feb 02 03:05:20 infobot: how are you? Feb 02 03:05:21 * infobot damns you to the bowels of bloody hell forever. Feb 02 03:05:21 eh, ok, crashanddie Feb 02 03:05:32 infobot: what's up? Feb 02 03:05:33 Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. Feb 02 03:05:41 infobot: duh Feb 02 03:05:42 extra, extra, read all about it, duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge Feb 02 03:05:53 i'm getting pwned by a bot Feb 02 03:05:57 infobot: DUHH. Feb 02 03:06:32 crashanddie: still, sometimes I don't put the last / intentionally just because I think infobot actually applying the search&replace is just extra noise Feb 02 03:06:50 javispedro: only when it's not understandable I guess Feb 02 03:07:13 Yay Feb 02 03:07:18 Setup is copying files :D Feb 02 03:07:30 see? verrrry efficient. Feb 02 03:07:44 Yeah Feb 02 03:07:51 ~javispedro++ Feb 02 03:08:27 javispedro: Just asking, how do i get this dosbox to fullscreen? :o Feb 02 03:08:49 iPeter-: hmpf. you can't unless you've remapped the fullscreen key iirc. Feb 02 03:09:03 there's a fullscreen key? :) Feb 02 03:09:12 alt+enter? Feb 02 03:09:12 i didnt undrstand how to open that keymapper thing Feb 02 03:09:16 no, but you can potentially map ctrl+enter to it. Feb 02 03:09:20 pupnik^^ Feb 02 03:09:39 btw, I've been getting "Unable to play media. Media format not supported" recently, anyone else seen that? Feb 02 03:09:45 hmm.. now we need a windows key next ? Feb 02 03:11:49 Scummer: shift-function-blue-WINDOWS (all pressed at once) Feb 02 03:12:08 :) Feb 02 03:12:13 +zoomin+zoomout+power+camerafocus+camera Feb 02 03:13:03 Mouse support is kinda crap :D Feb 02 03:13:26 javispedro: i note dgen-1.23 runs fast but segfaults on most things Feb 02 03:13:51 pupnik: the latter may explain the former Feb 02 03:14:35 playin a game right now Feb 02 03:14:49 Well Feb 02 03:14:53 gotta to go slep Feb 02 03:14:56 gn Feb 02 03:15:00 seriously, isn't twitter exactly the same as IRC? Feb 02 03:15:11 crashanddie: no, it's even worse. Feb 02 03:15:21 well, just turn IRC upside down Feb 02 03:15:24 you can do gazillion-long messages on IRC Feb 02 03:15:36 stupid nicknames, most messages are under 140 chars Feb 02 03:15:47 and everyone uses /amsg Feb 02 03:16:01 i should post a video just to upset people Feb 02 03:16:04 TO SCREAM TO THE WORLD LIKE THEY THINK ANYONE CARES Feb 02 03:16:10 pupnik: Oooh. Feb 02 03:16:16 uuencoded twitter jpegs! Feb 02 03:16:21 mpegs Feb 02 03:16:22 hahahahaha Feb 02 03:16:39 140 byte long uuencoded mpeg. Feb 02 03:16:51 heh, twitter as a bittorrent tracker Feb 02 03:16:53 With line numbers of course - as SMSs may be delivered out of order. Feb 02 03:16:57 that sounds like the title for another round of obfuscated perl contest. Feb 02 03:17:02 really it's at least 24 fps, more like 30 on pstar2 Feb 02 03:17:28 ah 28 fps Feb 02 03:21:22 haha still at 1.23 Feb 02 03:23:17 gnite and good luck pupnik Feb 02 03:23:22 gnite :) Feb 02 03:23:38 back to something real soon. but you just gotta try building things once in a while Feb 02 03:39:08 Does anyone know of a mapping application in the pipeline which can do directions and lets you store locations (e.g. "how do I get to home from here?)? Feb 02 03:40:59 ahhhh qik you pile of crap Feb 02 03:41:15 anyone out here doing development on video streaming apps, or porting anything? Feb 02 03:42:13 Well, I gave a whirl to porting mjpeg_streamer Feb 02 03:42:20 But it dies on an mmap() and I'm not sure why. Feb 02 03:42:29 Someone already ported vlc Feb 02 03:42:55 i ported Motion back in the 770 days but nothing since then Feb 02 03:43:09 it so happens i have a CDN to play with now (day job) Feb 02 03:43:10 Some guy was in here last night with a port of motion. Feb 02 03:44:50 konfoo: i built vlc (in my repo) and ffmpeg (in extras-devel), but haven't been streaming with them yet. Feb 02 03:45:31 i may have built icecast Feb 02 03:45:54 hello Feb 02 03:46:38 i guess the ideal thing to do would be to write a rtmp streamer Feb 02 03:46:46 does anyone know if it's ok to use flasher to install the older firmware on a n900? Feb 02 03:46:55 that way any flash player can play the stream from a flash media server (ustream, etc) Feb 02 03:47:21 jebba: cool.. ffserver too? Feb 02 03:48:21 btw for anyone that cares i heard flash player 10.1 is coming Feb 02 03:48:39 will full support for peer to peer etc Feb 02 03:49:21 s/will/with Feb 02 03:49:56 god i hate flash. i hope the people that created it die a horrible death. Feb 02 03:50:51 they actually seem to be doing some stuff right these days Feb 02 03:51:26 my co is a flash partner so i get to wail on them relentlessly Feb 02 03:51:41 o rly? like making the internet a bloated pile of shit? Feb 02 03:52:31 i think windows/ie has that pat down already Feb 02 03:53:07 not to mention all the vulnerabilities Feb 02 03:53:47 all i care about is a/v streaming Feb 02 03:54:21 they are implementing rules in their new cores though to prevent people using a dozen flash apps on one screen Feb 02 03:54:27 (finally?!) Feb 02 03:54:36 and that's the only thing it should ever be used for, but for some reason every moron with a website uses it for everything Feb 02 03:54:43 ya exactly Feb 02 03:54:53 for a/v streaming it has everything beat Feb 02 03:55:24 and 10.1 is the same featureset across mobile/settop/desktop with full h/w decode accel Feb 02 03:55:26 if I want to promote my package to extras-testing, do I also have to promote its dependency if it's not already there? Feb 02 03:56:11 villager: y Feb 02 03:56:48 so doesn't happen automatically? Feb 02 03:57:03 allright, let's see Feb 02 03:57:14 correct. Like i had to submit asterisk-config before asterisk Feb 02 03:57:38 even if the dep is not in user/*? Feb 02 03:57:54 quit Feb 02 03:57:59 oops Feb 02 03:58:57 I think I'll just promote the user/* package first to see what happens Feb 02 03:59:30 i found roughly where dgen is dying Feb 02 04:06:13 ah the wiki say that you need to promote user/* deps first, but doesn't say anything about non-user packages Feb 02 04:11:23 i wish someone who knew arm ASM could look at this Feb 02 04:12:59 I am thinking about learning that one of these days, currently I only know mips asm, and of course x86 Feb 02 04:14:02 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dgen/+bug/131281 there's the bug we have atm Feb 02 04:16:17 that looks like amd64, not arm Feb 02 04:16:33 guys, any good maemo soft for playing chess online on the n900? Feb 02 04:16:55 yeah but it dies at the same spot Feb 02 04:17:18 which chess programs have you tried that are not "good" Kajko Feb 02 04:17:29 pupnik: where's the source for this then? Feb 02 04:17:36 miniature Feb 02 04:18:17 http://pupnik.de/dgen.html Feb 02 04:18:31 i suspected as much Feb 02 04:18:33 hmm, why did someone port gnokii to n900? Feb 02 04:19:02 maybe i just strip that sound stuff Feb 02 04:19:22 oh i am stupid.. Feb 02 04:21:13 (gdb) bt Feb 02 04:21:13 #0 0x000744b0 in mz80exec () Feb 02 04:21:13 #1 0x0000c2e8 in md::one_frame_musa(bmap*, unsigned char*, sndinfo*) () Feb 02 04:21:13 #2 0x0000c6c8 in md::one_frame(bmap*, unsigned char*, sndinfo*) () Feb 02 04:23:20 odd, i applied his patch for stdint.h Feb 02 04:23:36 you should compile with more debug info to get a better backtrace Feb 02 04:23:38 I want to add extras-testing, and report bugs, vote, etc., but before I do, I want to figure this out: how hard is it for a malicious developer to get a package (say, containing a rootkit along with code that actually works as advertised) into extras-testing? I am not talking about a subtle security flaw to be exploited at a latter date. I am talking about something that is pretty obvious to anyone who skims through the source code Feb 02 04:23:38 and knows the language. Feb 02 04:23:48 need to learn how to do that :D Feb 02 04:24:18 i see Feb 02 04:24:42 pupnik: add -g to the CFLAGS I guess Feb 02 04:25:18 I am OK with buggy software, but I am afraid of malicious software, in this situation. Feb 02 04:25:19 if it's not already added, of course Feb 02 04:25:31 And yes, I am spoiled by Debian. Feb 02 04:25:32 ah oki Feb 02 04:26:02 Pavel: seems fairly easy to do so Feb 02 04:27:45 anybody here use xchat on n900? Feb 02 04:27:58 Kajko: I did, once or twice. Feb 02 04:28:26 hah omg 395996 Feb 2 05:06 zz80.c Feb 02 04:28:28 do you know how to change my own text from grey? hard to see Feb 02 04:28:44 Kajko: Not in the N900 version. Feb 02 04:28:54 ok...thanks Feb 02 04:29:07 Kajko: Although, I would suspect that it still obeys the configs in .xchat2 . Feb 02 04:29:17 Kajko: Even if you don't have a UI for changing the configuration. Feb 02 04:29:19 hmmm Feb 02 04:30:08 i will give irssi a try....looking for a irc solution on the n900 Feb 02 04:31:55 Kajko: screen + irssi? Feb 02 04:31:58 Of course, Debian has a very tedious process for uploading even "unstable" packages, so even their "unstable" is pretty darned stable... Feb 02 04:32:50 * mtnbkr_ likes xchat irc client on n900 Feb 02 04:32:56 pwnguin: yes Feb 02 04:33:03 Pavel: nah, not that tedious if you actually are a DD... and nothing stops you from uploading malicious software into unstable, though you may have a hard time getting it into stable Feb 02 04:33:28 mtnbkr: yes, me too Feb 02 04:33:45 villager: I miswrote. I meant a tedious process for gaining the privilege for uploading even "unstable" packages... Feb 02 04:34:17 Kajko: it'd be neat to see someone extend the telepathy-idle plugin Feb 02 04:34:35 pwnguin: yes Feb 02 04:34:57 Kajko: so that it joins channels, but it would probably get annoying Feb 02 04:35:09 Pavel: hmm yeah, I hear the NM process is getting to be a challenge Feb 02 04:35:36 villager: It's called "security through bureaucracy". Feb 02 04:37:14 I became a DD long before all this newfangled Debian Maintainers stuff where you get limited privileges first before even having a chance in NM Feb 02 04:40:18 yay, my syncevolution package has showed up in extras-testing Feb 02 04:42:18 villager: Does a package developer upload the packages source to the server, which then builds it, or does the developer build it, and then uploads the binary to the server? Feb 02 04:42:30 Pavel: in debian? Feb 02 04:43:53 villager: In Maemo.org Garage. Feb 02 04:44:41 Pavel: the garage is separate from the maemo.org package repository I think Feb 02 04:45:21 villager: Ah. Well, then maemo.org repository. Feb 02 04:45:21 Pavel: I upload the sources to the appropriate maemo autobuilder (the one for fremantle in this case), which then builds it Feb 02 04:45:36 villager: So all packages go through the autobuilder? Feb 02 04:45:42 Pavel: I believe so Feb 02 04:46:28 Pavel: unless you upload to non-free, then the dev-built packages get installed Feb 02 04:47:33 actually I think non-free can go through the autobuilder too if the dev wants, but it's not required Feb 02 04:48:54 villager: So if I download a binary in free and the corresponding source, I can be fairly certain that the binary was, in fact, built from the source? Feb 02 04:49:04 Pavel: yeah Feb 02 04:49:46 villager: OK, so maybe I'll only add extras-testing/free, and skim the source code before installing. Someone has to... Feb 02 04:52:05 i love it when my eyes start being unable to focus Feb 02 04:58:20 Or, I am just being paranoid. Feb 02 04:58:40 just don't download those pamela anderson screensavers Feb 02 04:59:55 or something Feb 02 05:00:41 Pamela is safe. She can't work a computer. It's the screensavers of girls that know about computers that are a security risk. Feb 02 05:02:32 angelina jolie? Feb 02 05:15:10 oops extra 'if' somewhere in configure Feb 02 05:15:26 yaay lemonade stand yaay Feb 02 05:16:59 config.log:configure:18406: error: Unsupported operating system: arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi Feb 02 05:17:10 configure:{ { $as_echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: Unsupported operating system: $host" >&5 Feb 02 05:17:19 echo $host Feb 02 05:17:21 Feb 02 05:17:32 huh? Feb 02 05:18:15 where the heck is it getting $host? Feb 02 05:19:24 well - grep host= Feb 02 05:19:58 The canonical configuration name of the host. This will normally be determined by running the `config.guess' shell script, although the user is permitted to override this by using an explicit `--host' option. Feb 02 05:20:03 aha Feb 02 05:21:49 --host="i386" fooled it Feb 02 05:22:37 ah nm, it needs nasm too Feb 02 05:29:58 http://wasm.curtin.edu.au/index.cfm Feb 02 05:29:59 err Feb 02 05:30:01 no Feb 02 05:34:10 lmao... Dell "agents" are useless Feb 02 05:35:10 me: Hi, Evelyn: Hi to help you better Feb 02 05:40:30 wait till you get the automated "you replacement motherboard has been delayed" calls at 7:00am that wake you up Feb 02 05:40:59 "to not have us call you back every hour please do some complicated button pushing on the keypad while you are half awake Feb 02 05:42:15 the best part was that the motherboard had already arrived the day before... Feb 02 05:43:40 yeah yeah Feb 02 05:43:50 The chick actually gave me a link to one of their laptops Feb 02 05:44:03 I click on it... and it goes: "A Dell Expert is ready to talk to you, would you...." Feb 02 05:48:44 lol Feb 02 05:49:54 she just shouted at me Feb 02 05:49:54 lol Feb 02 05:50:09 "HAVE A LOOK AT THE DETAILS" Feb 02 05:52:15 moooooo Feb 02 05:57:02 heh Feb 02 05:57:12 "Under Australian and US Consumer law, which are the laws under which Dell Inc. is operating, you are required to provide me with either Employee Indentification Number or full name and city, in case I wish to make a complaint" Feb 02 05:58:02 "there was error while tying i did not realise that the caps were on my misrake" Feb 02 06:07:28 LOL Feb 02 06:18:26 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=506296#post506296 Feb 02 07:07:02 anyone looked at sdlmess? Feb 02 07:09:49 As of version 0.136, MESS supports 439 unique systems with 1,161 total system variations and is growing all the time. Hahaha Feb 02 07:09:59 morning Feb 02 07:12:14 pupnik Feb 02 07:12:17 hi Feb 02 07:12:26 .. Nokia says it will replace Symbian with its Maemo Linux by 2012. end of the world! Feb 02 07:12:36 morning Feb 02 07:12:37 wondering if youve tried porting ufo alien invasion yet Feb 02 07:12:54 pupnik: Great news Feb 02 07:13:01 looks to be based off the quake 1 engine Feb 02 07:13:14 link or it didn't happen Feb 02 07:13:29 it's just rumors Feb 02 07:13:45 http://thereallymobileproject.com/2009/11/nokia-dropping-symbian-from-n-series-by-2012/ Feb 02 07:13:55 yyyeah. Feb 02 07:14:03 that old news Feb 02 07:14:12 http://www.endoftheworld2012.net/ Feb 02 07:14:16 they retracted it on next possible instant Feb 02 07:15:01 pupnick any news/comments on ufo ai? Feb 02 07:15:12 pupnik even Feb 02 07:15:18 no but we have new PLANET SIZED UFOs around the sun! Feb 02 07:15:19 :) Feb 02 07:15:35 with youtube vids Feb 02 07:16:59 ey Feb 02 07:17:06 google talk or skype - which works better on the N900? Feb 02 07:19:23 xmpp by far Feb 02 07:19:30 wut Feb 02 07:19:43 google talk uses xmpp Feb 02 07:20:00 Does gtalk interoperate with the win client? Feb 02 07:20:26 inz: what do you mean by that? Feb 02 07:20:42 zash, that you can call windows users and vice versa Feb 02 07:22:10 xmpp (inc. gtalk), sip, skype .. Feb 02 07:22:26 inz: why not? Feb 02 07:22:36 there might be codecs problems Feb 02 07:22:52 I don't think it matters much for audio, but more for video Feb 02 07:23:14 though the various success report about videoconf on the n900 are with the browser gmail interface Feb 02 07:23:28 Corsac: calling to a browser? Feb 02 07:23:30 woot Feb 02 07:24:28 zash, the gmail chat client supports calls Feb 02 07:25:09 inz: so does gajim, pidgin, my phone ... ;) Feb 02 07:25:28 gajim doesnt support audio/video, does it? Feb 02 07:25:33 Corsac: it does Feb 02 07:25:37 oh? Feb 02 07:25:42 haven't tested video, but audio works Feb 02 07:25:45 since which version? Feb 02 07:25:59 Corsac: 0.13 i think Feb 02 07:26:04 I have 0.13.2 and never saw anything about audio >< Feb 02 07:26:21 (but I managed to have audio call working between n900 and empathy 2.28) Feb 02 07:27:18 When will Gajim support Jingle/Audio/Video? Feb 02 07:27:19 Tomasz Melcer has been working on it during GSoC. A preview is available in a separate development branch. It hasn't been merged, yet. Feb 02 07:27:35 zash, well, gmail is web app, unlike gajim, pidgin and your phone Feb 02 07:27:48 zash, and you asked "calling to a browser?" Feb 02 07:29:23 inz: cool Feb 02 07:29:31 * zash only uses their search thingy Feb 02 07:32:01 Corsac: I run from trunc, and have had jingle for a while Feb 02 07:34:25 i say BAH. and BAH! Feb 02 07:34:55 BAH? Feb 02 07:35:46 everything sucks right now. i have decided. Feb 02 07:36:09 bah. Feb 02 07:36:18 pupnik: old news Feb 02 07:36:55 * pwnguin is tired of getting the same 1 msn spam over and over Feb 02 07:37:03 Perfectionists - Everything Is Crap™ Feb 02 07:38:54 dumb porter: emu.c:468: undefined reference to `mix_32_to_16l_stereo_lvl' Feb 02 07:39:24 rm -R bah/ Feb 02 07:39:44 rm -r bah Feb 02 07:39:46 ;) Feb 02 07:40:20 they make R work too for us angry types Feb 02 07:40:20 zash: yeah, that's why Feb 02 07:40:35 pupnik, :D good point Feb 02 07:47:20 has anyone been able to mount the jffs2 image under debian/arch/ubuntu Feb 02 07:47:32 I always end up with: mount: /tmp/mtdblock0: can't read superblock Feb 02 07:50:18 or could someone do my a big favour and upload a tarball of /usr/share/icons Feb 02 07:53:01 does anyone know if its possible to get a mouse cursor if you connect a bt mouse? Feb 02 07:53:35 yes Feb 02 07:53:44 to what kind of computer? Feb 02 07:55:33 the n900 of course Feb 02 07:56:14 whoosh? Feb 02 08:07:11 oh wow Feb 02 08:07:32 the micro usb port on my n900 just came out with the charger Feb 02 08:07:36 fuck Feb 02 08:07:45 :S Feb 02 08:07:47 wtf Feb 02 08:07:52 i have no idea Feb 02 08:07:58 went to disconnect it Feb 02 08:08:09 scarry shit Feb 02 08:08:11 like i always do, gently, and it just came out Feb 02 08:08:20 fuck Feb 02 08:08:31 seems like theres alot of problems with the external ports on the n900 Feb 02 08:08:32 if i cant get this replaced or repaired, i'm screwed Feb 02 08:08:49 nokia has to replace that Feb 02 08:08:53 otherwise FUCK em Feb 02 08:08:55 i emailed them Feb 02 08:09:11 heh, if they dont i'm fucking out $550 :| Feb 02 08:09:16 damnit Feb 02 08:09:20 :S Feb 02 08:09:23 thats a known problem Feb 02 08:09:32 scarry Feb 02 08:09:37 im out of here Feb 02 08:09:42 should covered by warranty Feb 02 08:10:11 i got it from newegg Feb 02 08:10:16 i emailed both nokia and newegg Feb 02 08:10:29 google about the problem you'll find a lot of reports Feb 02 08:14:48 wow Feb 02 08:14:52 and appetnly nokia isnt doing shit Feb 02 08:14:59 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=13 good idea Feb 02 08:15:06 yeah i saw that Feb 02 08:15:08 to late now Feb 02 08:15:22 hehe i am still waiting for my (2nd) device Feb 02 08:15:27 prolly i do that then Feb 02 08:15:40 i barely had enough spare money for the n900 -.- Feb 02 08:15:56 first one send back because broken charger cable (yeah on the charger side) and other issues Feb 02 08:16:28 now waiting since 3 1/2 weeks .. not deliverable in germany for less than 500Eur Feb 02 08:18:29 point 3 and 4 redundant Feb 02 08:19:16 that sucks cehteh (the wait) Feb 02 08:19:34 maybe there is some revision going on Feb 02 08:19:36 point 3 and 4? Feb 02 08:19:47 of the post by texrat Feb 02 08:19:59 yeah i rather wait in hope for better hardware revision than paying more to get it now Feb 02 08:20:47 pronto: nokia replied that they warranty is void for that? Feb 02 08:22:07 for what? Feb 02 08:22:34 there should be RMA procedures pronto, just follow them Feb 02 08:23:26 nokia is certainly well aware of the problem and likely dont want bad press Feb 02 08:24:25 fyi i tripped over my cable, sent n900 flying, and usb port stayed in Feb 02 08:24:31 but now the charging contact is wobbly Feb 02 08:25:06 pupnik: my cats dropped the phone from nightstand while it was charging, woke up and it had been hanging from the wallcharger cord for some hours Feb 02 08:25:18 im kinda thinking about trying to dull out the charger hooks now Feb 02 08:25:28 do it Feb 02 08:25:37 just dont have a grinder or sandpaper Feb 02 08:25:42 so wondering what I could use :) Feb 02 08:25:44 heh Feb 02 08:26:44 better get some tools instead destroying it in a wrong attempt Feb 02 08:27:03 well i need to get to bed Feb 02 08:27:10 llater Feb 02 08:27:31 * cehteh thinks about buying a pair of connectors and make a adapter for that rather modifying the original things Feb 02 08:27:45 unfortunally the usb port is on the wrong side Feb 02 08:28:03 a charging stand where it stands upright wont work Feb 02 08:29:44 make a stand for it in landscape? Feb 02 08:30:14 the usb isnt on bottom then either you have to slip it sideways in Feb 02 08:30:23 but thats what i am thinking about Feb 02 08:30:53 or have it slip in from the top, and have a spot in the side open to plug the charger in after its in the stand Feb 02 08:31:00 some external charging contacts would be even better, but the connector isnt reachable without modifying the device Feb 02 08:31:14 thats lame :P Feb 02 08:31:35 teach your cat to not nock it off the stand? Feb 02 08:31:41 i just lay my N900 next to my pillow when i sleep Feb 02 08:31:44 i'd like to have a stand where i can put it on with one move Feb 02 08:31:49 and i dont even charge it overnight Feb 02 08:32:00 i charge it before i go upstairs to my room Feb 02 08:38:32 well yes i turned celluar of and took it into the sleeping room too Feb 02 08:38:54 easy to check some mails, watch irc and so from bed :) Feb 02 08:39:29 and watching a movie with the av adapter on a monitor with my wife Feb 02 08:49:29 question regarding uploading stuff to extras-devel. assistanc says I should use dpkg-buildpackage or whatnot, but I was under the impression that py2deb did that work for you. Ist this correct? Feb 02 08:55:34 Mece_: Yes. If it's not well-formed the builder will reject it, and you can test it in extras-devel Feb 02 08:56:48 Mece_: py2deb is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage Feb 02 08:59:36 jaffa, ok, thanks. Feb 02 09:03:17 * crashanddie waves at Jaffa Feb 02 09:04:23 sup all Feb 02 09:04:24 sup crashanddie Feb 02 09:04:33 <3 cali http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#Enforceability_in_the_State_of_California Feb 02 09:05:24 How can I delete a page from the wiki? Feb 02 09:05:52 murrayc: you probably can't, if you can't find the link Feb 02 09:06:11 acidjazz: yo Feb 02 09:06:29 acidjazz: that's only for noncompete clauses Feb 02 09:06:41 acidjazz: there's half a dozen other clauses that can screw you Feb 02 09:08:48 crashanddie: i konw thats the exact thing i was sent Feb 02 09:09:06 acidjazz: regarding what? Feb 02 09:09:54 job im taking Feb 02 09:10:07 he undersigned Employee hereby agrees not to directly or  Feb 02 09:10:07 indirectly compete with the business of the Company and its successors and assigns during the period of  Feb 02 09:10:08 employment and for a period of _____ years following termination of employment and notwithstanding  Feb 02 09:10:08 the cause or reason for termination. In addition, the Employee agrees to retain all propriety information  Feb 02 09:10:08 of the company (detailed below) as confidential.   Feb 02 09:10:10 crap Feb 02 09:10:11 sorry Feb 02 09:10:11 pdf Feb 02 09:10:22 he undersigned Employee hereby agrees not to directly or  Feb 02 09:10:22 indirectly compete with the business of the Company and its successors and assigns during the period of  Feb 02 09:10:22 employment and for a period of _____ years following termination of employment and notwithstanding  Feb 02 09:10:22 the cause or reason for termination. In addition, the Employee agrees to retain all propriety information  Feb 02 09:10:28 not happening Feb 02 09:10:34 anywas its exactly a non-compete clause Feb 02 09:10:37 so it has to be void Feb 02 09:10:57 so do i bring this up now and not sign it or sign it and bring it up in the future if it ever occurs :) Feb 02 09:11:17 please go take your clauses to pastebin Feb 02 09:14:10 acidjazz: is there a severability clause in your contract? Feb 02 09:17:03 acidjazz: also, how old are you? Feb 02 09:17:55 too young to google Feb 02 09:18:06 acidjazz reminds me of an old .mod Feb 02 09:20:47 whether the new employer indirectly or directly competes with the old one is a matter of opinion Feb 02 09:20:51 Ha, me too, inz. Feb 02 09:21:09 Also anything with 'orch'... and axel F. Feb 02 09:21:28 jorma: technically speaking, it's a matter of law. Only people who never got their asses stapled because of non-compete clauses worry about it Feb 02 09:21:38 crashanddie: 31 and what do you mean Feb 02 09:21:40 Great, now I have Axel F stuck in my head. Feb 02 09:22:36 acidjazz: unless you're holding a senior management position, you're never going to get bothered by a non-compete clauses... It has to be worth something to the company to prevent you from working for a competitor Feb 02 09:22:59 They're only illegal in certain states, acidjazz, just for the record. You shoudl check with a lawyer. Feb 02 09:23:15 crashanddie: im a senior developer ill be running a team at some point Feb 02 09:23:27 ScribbleJ: i live in cali .. see my url earlier? Feb 02 09:23:29 yeah, you're a dev, who cares Feb 02 09:23:32 And while crashanddie is generally correct, if you leave the company on bad terms they might get you just to be dicks. Feb 02 09:23:52 well the line of work is something i want to be in wether or not its w/ them Feb 02 09:24:07 Please tell me it's porn. Feb 02 09:24:13 at least here in finland there is a law against too broad non-compete clauses i think Feb 02 09:25:13 acidjazz: it's actually surprising they have a non-compete clause if they're cali-based. Usually they leave it out, but basically it's a moot point Feb 02 09:25:26 Yeah, from what I understand, they never stick in Cali. Feb 02 09:25:33 But I'd still talk to your lawyer to be safe. Feb 02 09:25:52 acidjazz: best case scenario, the court will just strike it out from the contract, and the rest of the contract will remain enforceable Feb 02 09:26:01 crashanddie: yea thats what is kind of bothering me Feb 02 09:26:07 thats whatim hoping Feb 02 09:26:18 ill call him tomorrow Feb 02 09:31:57 anyway, going to grab some food Feb 02 09:53:35 how do i installa pythong module Feb 02 09:54:07 there any kind of like package management? Feb 02 09:55:26 apt-get Feb 02 09:56:26 If my kernel doesn't boot using flasher with -b to boot over usb... it's not gunna boot up if I flash it for real, is it? Feb 02 09:56:56 I've had zero luck so far rolling a kernel even if I use the stock rx51 config. Feb 02 10:00:27 ScribbleJ: i would extract the original firmware from the fiasco images and try to boot that with -b Feb 02 10:00:38 original kernel, i mean Feb 02 10:01:24 Yeah... something like that was going to be my next step. :) Feb 02 10:05:54 hello all Feb 02 10:08:47 Well, "good" news - the results I get from the zImage in the Nokia flahser image are the same as the results I get from my own kernels. Feb 02 10:09:21 Which is to say, it doesn't boot up... with framebuffer console on mine I can at least see the kernel is loading, but it gets to a certain point (not sure where!) and dies, shuts down. Feb 02 10:12:01 maybe you need some kernel parameters to make it work Feb 02 10:16:02 Well, maybe... but I wouldn't knwo what. Feb 02 10:16:19 I bit the bullet and tried flashing the Nokia kernel on there, though, and then it booted just fine. Feb 02 10:16:31 So... now that I know that works I'll try flashing my kernel, since I can just flash back. Feb 02 10:32:49 if I want to have a wiki page for my app at maemo.org, what would be the correct place to create that? Feb 02 10:47:29 pillar_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Appname or http://wiki.maemo.org/Appname_tips (for example) Feb 02 10:48:23 Jaffa: thanks Feb 02 10:52:53 whats the defualt login again for the n900 Feb 02 10:52:54 user and what Feb 02 10:53:23 sshd is acting funny Feb 02 10:54:04 acidjazz: there isn't one Feb 02 10:54:38 well im getting prompted for one when i try to ssh to the phone Feb 02 10:54:58 'the password for user cannot be changed' from terminal Feb 02 10:55:13 that's probably cos /etc/passwd has a ! Feb 02 10:55:31 change user:!: to user:x: by means of cp vi cp back Feb 02 10:56:27 why cp? Feb 02 10:56:56 because it's a pleasant surprise when you find out that vi doesn't have undo :) Feb 02 10:57:22 heh Feb 02 10:57:36 passwd -u? Feb 02 10:57:42 what do you mean doesnt have undo? Feb 02 10:57:47 can't login with ssh as user? Feb 02 10:57:47 hence vim Feb 02 10:57:48 because "Users with a locked password are not allowed to change their password." Feb 02 10:57:51 vi has undo unless you write and quit the file Feb 02 10:58:08 acidjazz, busybox vi Feb 02 10:58:43 still getting prompted for a password Feb 02 10:58:54 yeah busybox vi seems quite okay when you start to use it, then you realise how limiting it is when you come across all the stuff they didn't bother implementing Feb 02 10:59:33 now set one eh Feb 02 10:59:40 * mgedmin likes ssh keys Feb 02 10:59:51 yea i use that from n900 -> other boxes Feb 02 11:00:28 Damion2, actually, there's vipw which does the "cp; vi; check for syntax problems; cp" dance Feb 02 11:00:45 mgedmin: like sudo -e/sudoedit ? Feb 02 11:00:54 sweet im on my phone Feb 02 11:00:56 not really Feb 02 11:01:56 * w00t grumbles at the join/quit spam Feb 02 11:02:16 just install vim Feb 02 11:02:18 isnt there a package Feb 02 11:02:30 yep Feb 02 11:02:45 i wonder if it has syntax higihlihgting etc Feb 02 11:03:05 yes Feb 02 11:03:08 it has everything Feb 02 11:04:31 Hey since Firefox is now available... and I prefer it to MicroB... can I change the main menu icons to swap "Web" for "Firefox" ? Feb 02 11:06:37 oh its a nice vim package .. color schemes and all Feb 02 11:06:48 Lantizia: i think theres an app for that Feb 02 11:06:57 Lantizia: wy do you like it more i havent tried it yte Feb 02 11:07:40 whats better bypthon or ipython Feb 02 11:07:42 mgedmin: on the n900 ? Feb 02 11:07:48 acidjazz... I like how you can pull the bits of the interface from the sides Feb 02 11:07:52 also it's got tabs Feb 02 11:08:02 Damion2, yes, vipw exists on the n900 Feb 02 11:08:28 Lantizia: i gotta see tihs Feb 02 11:08:29 or did you want to hear "there's a vim with everything for the n900"? Feb 02 11:08:31 oh, I didn't know they did that, especuially as there are wikis and stuf telling you to manually cp it around Feb 02 11:09:07 acidjazz: firefox.com/m I think Feb 02 11:09:28 oh not in package manager? Feb 02 11:09:54 somebody ban zer0mdq already Feb 02 11:10:39 what is mad-developer Feb 02 11:12:10 acidjazz: Well I got it from there and it added a repo and got it via apt Feb 02 11:12:11 nooen on has ops? Feb 02 11:12:31 Lantizia: aewsome Feb 02 11:12:54 is firefox.com/m exclusively for hte n900? Feb 02 11:13:09 at the moment yeah... Firefox Mobile only exists on the N900 :) Feb 02 11:13:14 wow Feb 02 11:13:29 Maemo will rule the mobile world :P Feb 02 11:13:45 you mean small computer world Feb 02 11:13:49 since this thing is a freaking computer Feb 02 11:13:53 that makes phone calls Feb 02 11:14:13 does it have zoom gestures and whatnot? Feb 02 11:14:36 yup Feb 02 11:15:00 that's a meaningless distinction, all phones are computers Feb 02 11:15:16 and mobiles doesn't just mean phones anyway Feb 02 11:15:17 microwaves are computers too Feb 02 11:15:19 my washing machine is also a computer Feb 02 11:15:24 exactly Feb 02 11:15:24 but I would never call a microwave a computer Feb 02 11:15:43 what about a remote control Feb 02 11:15:50 peripheral Feb 02 11:15:54 lol Feb 02 11:15:58 i/o Feb 02 11:15:59 remote controls are ASIC Feb 02 11:16:03 Can we ban this zer0mdq guy? he is getting annoying Feb 02 11:16:04 and when the world egts messed up, even my wallet will be a computer reporting to the authorities how much cash i have in it Feb 02 11:16:05 microwaves probably are to tbh Feb 02 11:16:11 noone has ops Lantizia Feb 02 11:16:19 jjust chansrv Feb 02 11:16:39 can anyone remember the name of the app to change the main menu!? Feb 02 11:16:45 google isn't doing my bidding Feb 02 11:17:30 heard it just recently... in MWKN Feb 02 11:17:34 can't remember the name Feb 02 11:17:35 oh this is too awesome Feb 02 11:17:43 i love tihs Lantizia Feb 02 11:18:12 wave sync eh Feb 02 11:18:16 i use xmarks right now Feb 02 11:18:23 acidjazz: I want Songbird for N900 now :) and VLC too Feb 02 11:18:46 Lantizia, catorise Feb 02 11:19:42 whats songbird Feb 02 11:19:44 vlc medi aplayer? Feb 02 11:20:07 acidjazz: mozilla itunes clone Feb 02 11:20:09 tis nie Feb 02 11:20:12 nice Feb 02 11:21:51 really Feb 02 11:21:55 is it fast Feb 02 11:27:05 Lantizia: Catorise. MyMenu Feb 02 11:28:08 catorise broke my desktop shortcuts at some point. is this fixed? Feb 02 11:28:50 Nitial: Bug 8111 and bug 8328 Feb 02 11:28:52 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..) Feb 02 11:28:53 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps) Feb 02 11:29:04 Nitial: Short version, yes - it's fixed; and was only ever broken in extras-devel. Feb 02 11:29:16 okay :) Feb 02 11:29:38 * satmd turns off join/quit Feb 02 11:29:55 temp ban Feb 02 11:29:57 :D Feb 02 11:30:03 ;) Feb 02 11:30:34 oh finally Feb 02 11:30:38 thank you Feb 02 11:32:13 my phones bash prompt is better than your phones bash prompt Feb 02 11:32:25 lol Feb 02 11:32:42 hmmm Feb 02 11:32:47 acidjazz, t-shirt it Feb 02 11:33:09 wiki should have a guide for configuring bindings for irssi Feb 02 11:36:18 VDVsx, heya :) long time no see :P Feb 02 11:36:32 wazd_n800, hey Feb 02 11:37:17 PS1='\[\e[0;31m\][\[\e[1;31m\]\u\[\e[1;33m\]@\[\e[1;31m\]\h\[\e[1;33m\](\[\e[1;37m\]\w\[\e[1;33m\])\[\e[1;31m\]\[\e[0;31m\]]\[\e[1;37m\]: \[\e[0;37m\]' Feb 02 11:37:20 throw that in your .profile Feb 02 11:37:29 hmm Feb 02 11:42:04 ok, stupid question I have now. Feb 02 11:42:20 why do you talk like yoda? Feb 02 11:43:04 which map software under maemo5 is most usable for map checking during walk? I need gps position and map (with poi database or at least possibility to add own) Feb 02 11:43:33 maps cannot be fetched during use - should be option to fetch them before Feb 02 11:43:40 crashanddie: because sometimes I do Feb 02 11:43:50 lol crashanddie Feb 02 11:44:03 just try them all Feb 02 11:44:08 theres like 3 they all kinda suck Feb 02 11:44:25 Lantizia: the scrolling on tihs is odd Feb 02 11:44:39 acidjazz: so nokiamaps, maemomapper and? Feb 02 11:44:56 maep Feb 02 11:45:00 map buddy Feb 02 11:45:06 go in ur catalog search for map Feb 02 11:45:40 damn, sara groen is hot Feb 02 11:46:03 where can i get a list of firefox m features Feb 02 11:49:35 acidjazz, maep isn't bad Feb 02 11:49:46 s/acidjazz/hrw/ Feb 02 11:49:46 zaheerm meant: hrw, maep isn't bad Feb 02 11:51:55 im guessing ff m has no cursor / drag functionaltiy Feb 02 11:53:16 after 2 minutes with maep I want to uninstall it Feb 02 11:54:00 hahaha Feb 02 11:54:00 mhmm Feb 02 11:54:02 i told you Feb 02 11:54:05 anyone used maemomapper? Feb 02 11:54:09 i got em all Feb 02 11:54:10 * wazd_n800 's downloading vultures eye Feb 02 11:54:12 waiting for one to be useful Feb 02 11:54:16 can't find how to get it to "turn-by-turn" guide me from A to B Feb 02 11:54:18 whats that wazd_n800 Feb 02 11:54:19 red: I did. a lot on 770/n810 Feb 02 11:54:39 acidjazz, nethack variation Feb 02 11:54:40 red: use route function Feb 02 11:54:59 i can only find open/download/save and show distance to Feb 02 11:55:03 at route menu Feb 02 11:55:16 opening asks me for a file Feb 02 11:57:21 wazd_n800: is it new? Feb 02 11:57:26 can't install it :( Feb 02 11:57:40 acidjazz, yw Feb 02 11:57:46 yep Feb 02 11:58:08 how do you zoom out in firefox? Feb 02 11:58:20 if I double click it zooms in, then I double click again and it does nothing Feb 02 11:58:28 any1 get the tab syncing workign in ff m Feb 02 11:58:31 wazd_n800: hwo come Feb 02 11:58:32 Damion2: press and drag circles Feb 02 11:58:36 Damion2: keep trying Feb 02 11:58:39 Damion2: or try the volume keys Feb 02 11:58:44 zash he said ff Feb 02 11:58:46 not microb Feb 02 11:58:52 yeah microb works fine Feb 02 11:58:57 oh Feb 02 11:59:10 theniduno Feb 02 11:59:15 the only advantage of ff so far is that I can press keys and it doesn't default to doing a url/search Feb 02 11:59:27 can you do ctrl+0 Feb 02 11:59:30 so javascript stuff like the zxspectrum emulator can be used Feb 02 11:59:52 yea im ont seein any of my bookmarks or anything in weavesync Feb 02 11:59:54 zash: ta, I also just spotted somebody suggest crtl-fn and arrows on my forum enquiry Feb 02 12:01:01 My friend is seeing my location using his N900 :) Feb 02 12:01:02 wtf Feb 02 12:01:09 I'm online on MSN but location is not on Feb 02 12:01:15 but I did fiddle with Maemomapper and GPS just now Feb 02 12:01:28 wondering if it's Skype or MSN sharing the location Feb 02 12:01:34 it appeared in my contact card lol Feb 02 12:01:37 on his phone that is Feb 02 12:03:19 red, iirc it's a setting in the location settings Feb 02 12:03:34 got the tabs working Feb 02 12:03:36 had to restart ff Feb 02 12:03:44 is the Diablo autobuilder in KO ? Feb 02 12:04:54 wazd_n800, do you read the comments on the QA page for Marina? Feb 02 12:06:49 hi ;} Feb 02 12:07:32 grrr Feb 02 12:09:20 ban host please Feb 02 12:09:42 *!*@190.190.221.92 Feb 02 12:13:27 hm, so nokia will come out with maemo 6 devices later this year. How nice Feb 02 12:13:54 anyone want an N900, while it has any value? :) Feb 02 12:14:11 VDVsx, ? Feb 02 12:14:31 VDVsx, 1!*@* looks a little strange :) Feb 02 12:14:34 Wolfie: url? Feb 02 12:15:22 http://gizmodo.com/5462102/nokia-releasing-maemo-6-phones-later-this-year-symbian-4-next-year Feb 02 12:15:33 oh wat Feb 02 12:15:38 zaheerm, yeah, X-chat :p Feb 02 12:15:44 loll Wolfie Feb 02 12:16:06 Android-looking Symbian^4 :) Feb 02 12:16:15 http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100202PD206.html Feb 02 12:16:40 By 2011, smartphones based on the Symbian S60-platform will account for 55% of Nokia's total handset shipments, followed by Symbian S40 feature phones at 35% and Maemo-based devices at 10%, according to sources who are familiar with Nokia's product roadmap. Feb 02 12:17:03 10% is a lot for maemo devices Feb 02 12:17:48 pff Feb 02 12:17:51 not enough Feb 02 12:17:54 i want 100% maemo Feb 02 12:18:13 acidjazz, i doubt nokia will ship 10 dollar phones running maemo to farmers in india Feb 02 12:18:16 Wolfie: I can give you 5€ and you pay posting Feb 02 12:18:27 Wolfie: cant see a nokia pressrelease on that Feb 02 12:19:08 lol youtube enabler Feb 02 12:20:40 thresh: leaks usually aren't usually accompanied by press releases Feb 02 12:20:47 -usually Feb 02 12:21:31 dang youtube works relaly ewll in ff Feb 02 12:22:11 Wolfie: leaks are usually bs Feb 02 12:23:11 thresh: sometimes yes. But since nokia has promised one more maemo device this year, and the trend of "fixed in harmattan"-bug closes, i think this has some basis in reality Feb 02 12:23:27 plus nokia having its reputation Feb 02 12:23:52 true. Feb 02 12:24:45 acidjazz: firefox in n900 uses