**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 04 02:59:57 2010 Feb 04 03:00:22 try it Feb 04 03:02:32 FRX: ussd-pad works for me now Feb 04 03:02:50 i want to use the fm transmitter in my car, to hear me mp3 files over the car radio Feb 04 03:02:55 TheOne: Draft me a plausible message, and I will. ;) Feb 04 03:03:35 i read that this would work only with ac connection - is it right? Feb 04 03:03:38 DocScrutinizer : i restarted the n900 and now ussdwidget works but ussdpad doesnt. Feb 04 03:03:53 DocScrutinizer : what did you do it get it to work ? Feb 04 03:04:32 FRX: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=493831&postcount=121 Feb 04 03:04:57 yes, thats what i followed Feb 04 03:05:03 it doesnt work for me , not sure why Feb 04 03:05:18 what does that mean dude!?! Feb 04 03:05:30 I got no crystal ball Feb 04 03:06:45 DocScrutinizer : well, the application opens but then closes without showing a thing Feb 04 03:06:51 no buttons..no thing. Feb 04 03:07:01 strange Feb 04 03:07:04 no nothing* Feb 04 03:07:12 you installed all the 3 deb? Feb 04 03:07:20 well yes Feb 04 03:07:44 ussd-common was already install for ussdwidget Feb 04 03:07:58 that may be another one though Feb 04 03:08:00 i installed pexpect_2.3.0-1_all.deb manaully, Feb 04 03:08:02 check version Feb 04 03:08:07 ok Feb 04 03:08:31 I dl all 3 pkgs from garage page Feb 04 03:09:16 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1219&release_id=3073 Feb 04 03:11:36 then I edited /usr/bin/ussdfoo python as described here in the attachment http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=486843&postcount=101 as it barfed on my ümäuts Feb 04 03:12:27 hello Feb 04 03:12:52 ok i flashed to the latest image and i think i might have saved my n900 from rma Feb 04 03:14:04 someone should edit the flashing guide to say that flasher-3.5 doesn't work on 64-bit Feb 04 03:15:01 hello Feb 04 03:15:13 I have a few questions about the N900 Feb 04 03:15:44 what format does it record video in? Feb 04 03:16:14 1080p stereo 3D Feb 04 03:16:14 FRX: Nokia-N900-51-1:~# ussdquery.py "*101#" Feb 04 03:16:47 FRX: Ihr o2 LOOP Guthaben beträgt: 42.85 EUR. Bis zu 25% sparen. SMS-Pack-S mit 35 SMS mtl. für n Feb 04 03:16:55 i think i've found a weird bug Feb 04 03:17:01 DocScrutinizer51 : i can see my balance Feb 04 03:17:08 i have this mp4 video Feb 04 03:17:13 if i play it, it says it's not supported Feb 04 03:17:25 after that i can't play my mp3s or videos until i do a restart Feb 04 03:17:26 but i cant add credit using the shortcut they use here Feb 04 03:17:46 btw i dont have the same version Feb 04 03:17:54 i have 0.4 ,they are talking about 0.1 Feb 04 03:18:25 FRX: the shortcut here is *103*secretnumbercode# Feb 04 03:19:03 while *103# is querying the balance Feb 04 03:19:36 DocScrutinizer51 : so i can just download this script by itself ? Feb 04 03:19:45 yep Feb 04 03:19:54 ok i'll try it Feb 04 03:20:30 you'll need the includes though Feb 04 03:20:54 which are in ussd-common I guess Feb 04 03:21:19 hey Feb 04 03:21:28 and in pexpect Feb 04 03:21:41 irssi on n900 is sweet Feb 04 03:23:30 the n900 is sweet Feb 04 03:23:53 fredrin: nice Feb 04 03:24:10 great, a wall of snow outside the window >_< Feb 04 03:26:06 i'm disappointed we have so little snow where i live Feb 04 03:26:19 FRX: I accidentally dl the ussd-common_0.0.0-3-all.deb ;-P Feb 04 03:26:31 it works for me Feb 04 03:26:36 thats the only one i didnt try Feb 04 03:26:48 but im using 0-4 Feb 04 03:27:04 they said 0-1 , i tried that, didnt work Feb 04 03:28:27 I don't see any 0-4 Feb 04 03:28:42 bye Feb 04 03:29:11 DocScrutinizer : its in extras-devel Feb 04 03:29:26 the script would fine btw Feb 04 03:29:32 its just this damn pad Feb 04 03:29:37 FRX: I told you I downloaded from garage Feb 04 03:29:43 I gave you link Feb 04 03:29:55 i tested one ones on garage Feb 04 03:30:01 the ones* Feb 04 03:30:05 I told you whicH packets I downloaded Feb 04 03:30:07 i'm glad it was so simple and easy to flash my dysfunctional n900 Feb 04 03:30:38 DocScrutinizer : i know but i dont think its because of that package Feb 04 03:30:47 so it only works with 0-3 ? Feb 04 03:30:53 in extras-devel there's only ussd-widget for all I know Feb 04 03:31:21 [2010-02-04 04:26:19] FRX: I accidentally dl the ussd-common_0.0.0-3-all.deb ;-P Feb 04 03:31:22 [2010-02-04 04:26:32] it works for me Feb 04 03:31:22 i downlaoded the deb and its named with 0-4 Feb 04 03:31:34 ok ok i'll try 0-3 Feb 04 03:31:35 brb Feb 04 03:34:42 wow switching desktops is so smooth Feb 04 03:38:08 I'm stuck with N810 until they come out with an N900 for at&t 3G Feb 04 03:38:55 the software is so snappy compared to my freerunner it's unbelievable Feb 04 03:40:17 uhsf, The benchmarks I've run show the the N900 is 20 times faster than the Freerunner. Feb 04 03:42:29 what do you expect of a S3C2442 crap SoC? Feb 04 03:43:10 with a glamo to make each char to render to the screen a PITA Feb 04 03:43:13 plus a graphics DEcellerator, Feb 04 03:43:23 :-) Feb 04 03:43:27 faster Feb 04 03:52:27 ok the maps are seriously lacking Feb 04 03:53:42 doesn't nokia own navteq now? these maps that are used by google? Feb 04 03:54:43 dunno Feb 04 03:54:51 any idea why when I'm connected to my computer via USB, the media player doesn't see any files? Feb 04 03:54:55 which map gives navi for n900? Feb 04 03:55:01 i see so many apps Feb 04 03:55:11 this is really annoying when I'm trying to diagnose why it doesn't see some id3 tags properly Feb 04 03:55:19 what the hell happened? Feb 04 03:55:41 maemo-mapper, navit? Feb 04 03:57:56 also, wtf does it have trouble with files that rhythmbox handles perfectly, I wonder? Feb 04 03:58:42 autarch: mass storage mode umounts /home/user/MyDocs Feb 04 03:58:59 DocScrutinizer: oh, so my computer can mount it? Feb 04 03:59:11 yep Feb 04 04:00:38 understandle, but annoying Feb 04 04:01:02 if you want concurrent access you might want to give fusefs/sshfs a try Feb 04 04:01:15 or ntfs Feb 04 04:01:22 err nfs Feb 04 04:02:38 hmm, that'd be cool Feb 04 04:03:13 although I'm not sure how I'd get rhythmbox to see an nfs mounted file system as an audio device Feb 04 04:03:18 maybe it'd just work Feb 04 04:04:09 or maybe the n900 could have less craptastic id3 handling, ideally ;) Feb 04 04:10:43 my n900 sees 13 wifi networks where i live as my freerunner sees only 4 Feb 04 04:11:57 there seem to be funny girls with funny network names near that i didn't know about Feb 04 04:17:26 wow many cool ring tones Feb 04 04:17:34 what's your favorite Feb 04 04:18:41 enjoy monologues much? Feb 04 04:19:11 this channel is so dead Feb 04 04:20:03 settings application just crashed Feb 04 04:20:14 i guess the n900 is not perfect Feb 04 04:20:19 it's 5AM in europe Feb 04 04:20:28 4AM in the UK Feb 04 04:20:47 yea i'm starting to think the n900 really is a europe thing Feb 04 04:21:18 it's only 23:23 here in quebec Feb 04 04:21:28 I'm in the US and have a 900 Feb 04 04:21:29 it rocks Feb 04 04:21:35 rough edges, but overall worth it Feb 04 04:21:52 Well, duh Feb 04 04:22:14 i'm still searching for these rough edges Feb 04 04:22:33 i just replaced my freerunner with a n900 Feb 04 04:23:02 it arrived a week ago but i just had time to flash it today Feb 04 04:23:04 uhsf: Well, coming from that you'll think the N900 shits diamonds and pees gold. :) Feb 04 04:23:18 mine was not functionnal when it arrived Feb 04 04:27:14 recently ran into problem where my 27g mydocs is giving me read-only errors. any thoughts? Feb 04 04:29:22 uhsf: It was a freerunner, that's normal. Feb 04 04:30:00 gandhii: check if the vol is mounted ro Feb 04 04:30:39 jX: no, my n900 was not functionnal Feb 04 04:30:43 ohhh Feb 04 04:31:04 perpetual reboot loop at first boot Feb 04 04:31:30 i had to flash to the latest image and it seems ok Feb 04 04:32:01 many people would've just return it and get an iphone instead Feb 04 04:32:59 one thing that's missing from the n900 is english (canada) for regional settings Feb 04 04:33:10 Yeah, that does seem to be missing, eh? Feb 04 04:33:24 But I guess they didn't want to add another English translation, eh? Feb 04 04:33:25 i have to chose either english (usa) or french (canada) Feb 04 04:34:09 ok for the language, but there are two settings: language and region Feb 04 04:34:13 not the same Feb 04 04:34:44 The regional settings are poorly thought out Feb 04 04:35:03 For example, you can't independantly set date format Feb 04 04:36:40 you bet they suck Feb 04 04:37:09 Kamui: that an fstab thing? Feb 04 04:37:10 * DocScrutinizer wonders if you could tweak it the unix way Feb 04 04:38:02 gandhii: fsck.vfat Feb 04 04:39:56 DocScrutinizer: rm /etc/X11/Xsession.post/*;echo fvwm >/etc/X11/Xsession.post/00fvwm Feb 04 04:40:32 ok great phone Feb 04 04:40:35 SpeedEvil: lol Feb 04 04:40:47 see you tomorrow silent people Feb 04 04:41:04 wave Feb 04 04:41:18 * DocScrutinizer yawns Feb 04 04:41:40 * SpeedEvil is bored and grocery shopping. Feb 04 04:42:04 errrr Feb 04 04:42:42 Well - meta-shopping. Feb 04 04:42:55 ahhh Feb 04 04:43:08 In that I'm writing a scraper for my supermarkets website that will let me sort their whole list by price/weight Feb 04 04:43:24 where is that? Feb 04 04:43:35 gandhii: asda.com Feb 04 04:43:43 well - groceries.asda.com Feb 04 04:44:11 I need to poke them to see if I can get barcodes. Feb 04 04:44:19 supermarket with a detailed pricelist on web - amazing Feb 04 04:44:28 Barcode based reordering would be nice Feb 04 04:44:46 anyone else had an issue where teh earpeice speaker goes in and out? Feb 04 04:45:26 DocScrutinizer: 3 of the 4 major chains in the UK will deliver. And they are driving at least 4 miles to get to me. The van for one comes rom a depot 30 miles away. Feb 04 04:45:32 except from collecting dust there - no Feb 04 04:45:54 jX: were you commenting on that a couple of days ago here? Feb 04 04:46:05 I don't believe so Feb 04 04:46:17 if I did I don't recall hearing any responses Feb 04 04:46:24 I think someone else may have hit it - I don't recall any names though Feb 04 04:46:51 * DocScrutinizer wishes any supermarket in .de would deliver some 100 meters at least Feb 04 04:47:47 which kinda issue? Feb 04 04:48:27 The sound goes in and out, like there's a loose connection. Feb 04 04:48:33 I meed to RMA it with Dell. Feb 04 04:48:47 I assume you're sure it's not a signal thing? Feb 04 04:48:53 quite Feb 04 04:48:56 that was my first suspicion Feb 04 04:49:06 but when I can replicate it by shaking the shone a little... Feb 04 04:49:09 phone Feb 04 04:49:13 and CAUSE it the same way... Feb 04 04:49:20 er, fix it Feb 04 04:49:34 RMA Feb 04 04:49:37 yup Feb 04 04:50:22 jX: it's actually the daemon I installed that uses the accelerometers to emulate a loose connection Feb 04 04:50:23 <.< Feb 04 04:50:40 luke-jr: Now that's a feature I have been waiting for. ;) Feb 04 04:50:40 rotfl Feb 04 04:51:21 any way to backup desktop and icon arrangement? Feb 04 04:51:33 tired of redoing all four pages every week Feb 04 04:51:33 backup app? Feb 04 04:51:45 does it? Feb 04 04:51:57 did for me Feb 04 04:52:28 guess it's called settings or somesuch Feb 04 04:52:44 Speaking of icons, how does one change an app's icons? I want to change the Email and Conversations icons to things I won't confuse as easily. Feb 04 04:53:07 jX: see the .desktop file(s) i guess Feb 04 04:53:20 edit the *.desktop file I guess Feb 04 04:53:26 where might I find those? Feb 04 04:53:43 jX: dpkg -l packagename Feb 04 04:53:51 with find youll find ;-D Feb 04 04:54:09 you can't un/install email and conversations Feb 04 04:54:15 jX: -L even ( capital ) Feb 04 04:54:28 jX: doesnt matter, its still in a package Feb 04 04:54:28 thanks DocScrutinizer Feb 04 04:54:33 hmm Feb 04 04:54:36 I'll check! Feb 04 04:55:12 ill test and see later when my icons get fried again :) Feb 04 04:57:37 KamuiN900: don't miss to make a backup of the fried state prior to restoring a previous state. Just in case the restore does more than you expected Feb 04 05:01:49 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to make a backup of all the apt-get install commands needed to make a system out of that messybox shit Feb 04 05:09:27 Trying to update canola on this n800 i get told there are packages needed that are not available Feb 04 05:16:24 hahaha Feb 04 05:16:39 tosh.0 is hilarious Feb 04 05:20:44 That ugy is funny. Feb 04 05:20:46 guy Feb 04 05:21:11 "Spinach is like anal sex; if you're forced to have it as a child then you won't enjoy it as an adult." Feb 04 05:23:35 i keep reaching for the trackpoint on my thinkoutside stowaway Feb 04 05:27:26 ScribbleJ: that is so wrong but funny as hell Feb 04 05:27:28 lololol nice ScribbleJ Feb 04 05:27:34 hi pupnik Feb 04 05:28:15 I'm pretty sure that was a Daniel Tosh joke. Feb 04 05:29:57 just watched this weeks new episode Feb 04 05:30:01 pretty funny Feb 04 05:30:43 especially the arab dude running through the auto sliding glass doors at a public bui.ding Feb 04 05:31:00 gotta find that on youtube for my personal collection Feb 04 05:31:24 I haven't watched that show yet. Feb 04 05:31:27 Maybe I'll check it out. Feb 04 05:31:39 The joke is from his tour/album in like... 04 ish? Feb 04 05:36:10 hi KamuiN900 Feb 04 05:36:43 trying to ssh from n810 to n900 via bluetooth Feb 04 05:37:43 so i can use n810 bigscreen as a second ssh term for general hacking with bt keyboard Feb 04 05:38:43 i want a clean simple way to network two tablets for teh gamez Feb 04 05:40:43 or maybe i should make a battery for my wlan router Feb 04 05:41:03 googles teh rfcomm Feb 04 05:41:43 Feb 04 05:52:30 lols pupnik Feb 04 05:53:20 ScribbleJ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Gb1kRkuQ4 Feb 04 05:53:39 it seems slightly less funny now without Daniel Tosh's breakdown ;) Feb 04 05:54:03 pupnik, I've totally given up on using the existing code from blenderpocket Feb 04 05:54:11 its so deeply intertwined with winCE calls Feb 04 05:54:13 I Feb 04 05:54:51 I've only removed SOME of that code, but it almost seems endless Feb 04 05:55:10 I figure I'd be better off removing all the code, keeping all the existing functions, and recreating them from scratch Feb 04 05:55:46 yeah i tend to prefer removing to writing Feb 04 06:10:38 hmm another highlight... unussual Feb 04 06:19:33 avahi looks like the thing to use Feb 04 07:09:39 agps is giving me a lock in 3 seconds while indoors Feb 04 07:12:34 maemo mapper has gotten nicely more powerful! Feb 04 07:12:59 I have installed gargoyle-free in my debian chroot Feb 04 07:13:14 hello guys Feb 04 07:13:19 it works beautifully outside LXDE, but I have one problem: the 'enter' key does not appear to be recognized Feb 04 07:13:36 is there some xmodmap or xkb magic I might use to get it recognized? Feb 04 07:13:39 can anybody tell me how to download maepad? Feb 04 07:14:12 ???? Feb 04 07:14:58 maemo.org/downloads is my first guess Feb 04 07:15:45 cant find it there Feb 04 07:16:51 ah, then it's not in the stable Extras repository yet Feb 04 07:17:05 mmmmm... Feb 04 07:17:07 Guest21470, are you aware of the danger of using unstable software? Feb 04 07:17:24 not really:p Feb 04 07:17:50 then I will not recommend to enable Extras-Testing or Extras-Devel where Maepad probably currently is, until it has been tested enough Feb 04 07:18:04 glyph perhaps there is a tip somewhere in the debian chroot discussions. the problem is probably due to the keyboard generating keypad-enter instead of return-key. Feb 04 07:18:16 Guest21470, every app is moved to Extras and available via App Manager once it is tested enough Feb 04 07:18:54 pupnik: Aha! Thanks, I think that's all I needed to know. I wonder how badly it will break if I permanently switch it :) Feb 04 07:19:19 pupnik: I'm already about to do http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html to make programming on my keyboard easier. Feb 04 07:19:32 thanx for the tip Feb 04 07:19:37 thanks, i'll check that out too Feb 04 07:38:18 does anybody know if X-Fade is available? Feb 04 07:42:09 Why oh why does this button show up when run standalone but not when run as a widget? Grr Argh! Feb 04 07:43:43 Can one get the std out from a widget somehow? Feb 04 07:48:49 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 yay! we'll be able to do working flashable kernel .debs again. Just need to wait for PR1.2. Feb 04 07:48:50 Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found Feb 04 07:51:02 I hate to sound like a crusty old boob Feb 04 07:51:15 but seriously? how many N900 owners aren't linux users Feb 04 07:51:42 this dire warning about extras-devel should be a good lesson learned for some, and of no consequence for the rest Feb 04 07:51:51 i know 3 =) Feb 04 07:52:25 or more should just be promoted to extras-testing... Feb 04 07:52:53 mourning Feb 04 07:52:54 basically, if it isnt a complete wreck, would be nice to have in -testing. Feb 04 07:55:22 is it possible to add commands to network profiles? Feb 04 07:55:57 mostly im interested which commands are used for diff profiles Feb 04 08:01:33 yea, ,seriously Feb 04 08:01:35 oh well Feb 04 08:01:40 bed time for me, later gents Feb 04 08:12:48 http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=182617 Feb 04 08:13:59 don't know if people use ovi suite with n900.. Feb 04 08:16:26 Stskeeps, does ovi suite work with N900? I thought it didn't. Feb 04 08:17:26 Stskeeps, does ovi suite work with N900? I thought it didn't. Feb 04 08:19:39 Hey Feb 04 08:19:45 hi Feb 04 08:40:27 I have an interesting problem, and I need some method of reading the output. Feb 04 08:41:26 The python desktop widget I'm working on has some buttons in the config menu, but when used properly as a widget, only one of them show up. Feb 04 08:42:00 They both show up when ran standalone or when used properly as a widget in sdk. So is there any way to read the console output from a widget? Feb 04 08:42:23 hi everyone Feb 04 08:43:32 hi Feb 04 08:43:35 are you writing the output? Feb 04 08:45:42 adeus, well some of it. Feb 04 08:46:12 adeus, stuff like print "found " + filename Feb 04 08:46:38 adeus, problem is that I can't debug this because it works on every other place except where it matters (the device) Feb 04 08:47:03 and I get output if errors occur on every other place. Feb 04 08:52:21 jebba: about archive rebuilds, you might want to contact Lucas Nussbaum, which rebuilds debian sid on grid5000 regularly Feb 04 08:52:51 (basically the whole archive is rebuilt in the time needed to build openoffice) Feb 04 08:53:22 though it's on amd64 so it wouldn't be fair to compare with a build using some kind of emulation :/ Feb 04 08:53:37 Corsac/jebba: can I have some context? ;) Feb 04 08:54:25 Morning, all Feb 04 08:57:44 lucas: yeah, sec Feb 04 08:58:11 lucas: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-February/024333.html Feb 04 09:23:12 Corsac: i'm working on building them on Amazon's EC2 (compute cluster) right now. Feb 04 09:25:06 hrm Feb 04 09:25:15 what are you using to build them? do you need root? Feb 04 09:25:23 I have a spare cluster here thats sitting a bit idle at the moment Feb 04 09:27:22 Remosi: i'm using maemo 5 sdk + sbdmock Feb 04 09:27:30 how many nodes? What specs? Feb 04 09:28:20 jebba: yup, but you might benefit using lucas experience. And /if/ lucas's interested about maemo QA he might offer you grid5k help but I wasn't implying this (I'm not sure he has the will or anything) Feb 04 09:28:38 56ish nodes currently spare, core 2 duo's with 4G of ram Feb 04 09:28:50 jebba: but my point was that he knows quite some stuff about massive archive rebuild, so it could have valuable information :) Feb 04 09:28:58 i'm not french for grid5000 ;) Feb 04 09:29:48 ah ya, for sure :) I'll see if he's written up anything about it. Feb 04 09:30:25 Remosi: sync over debian etch source to it... Feb 04 09:30:46 how you sitting on 56 idle boxes anyway? Feb 04 09:31:11 IT's the universities, I help admin it, it's going down for hardware upgrades in about a week, so noones starting new jobs Feb 04 09:31:23 ah Feb 04 09:31:32 hrm Feb 04 09:32:15 i dont have a good way to distribute builds to nodes yet. I checked out some debian packages that do it.... but none of them are for maemo's sbdmock of cours.e Feb 04 09:32:57 hrm Feb 04 09:33:00 that's annoying Feb 04 09:33:04 Remosi: like debian etch source, the maemo-extras repo (binaries), and maybe even nokia binaries local are really needed. Feb 04 09:33:36 I have a fair amount of bandwidth to a local debian mirror Feb 04 09:33:45 maemo-extra's and so on, perhaps less so Feb 04 09:33:54 where is it? Feb 04 09:34:02 Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand. Feb 04 09:34:15 (aka, the wrong end of the Internet to everything else) Feb 04 09:34:28 i'll see if you have a fast connection to amazon s3, 1 sec Feb 04 09:34:37 unless theres KAREN, AARNET, Internet2 or otherwise connectivity Feb 04 09:35:14 jebba: don't hesitate to ask if I can be helpful. will you be at fosdem? Feb 04 09:35:54 given infinite time, I would be interested in maemo QA. I'm not sure I can find the time though. Feb 04 09:36:50 The world needs far more time :) Feb 04 09:37:32 Remosi: how fast can you download this? http://fog.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/b/beneath-a-steel-sky/beneath-a-steel-sky_0.0372-3maemo4_all.deb (from amazon S3) Feb 04 09:38:25 ah, lucas, you're right here. What a nice surprise. :) I won't be at fosdem unfortunately. So, how do you distribute the build jobs? :) Feb 04 09:38:36 * RST38h moos Feb 04 09:38:49 ~400KB/s Feb 04 09:39:10 that's a bit of a bottle neck then ;) Feb 04 09:39:16 but not unusable. Feb 04 09:39:45 Yeah :/ Feb 04 09:40:49 i'm a bit hestitant because i'm not certain if i'll be able to use it. I mean, we'd want like lenny i386 installed on the nodes and such. With amazon, i can just make an image and boot it up. It's quite rad. Feb 04 09:41:31 yeah Feb 04 09:41:43 I'm wanting to get to the point that we can just schedule VM images onto the cluster Feb 04 09:41:56 since people always want rather odd dependancies for jobs Feb 04 09:43:18 well they are running Lenny Feb 04 09:43:29 lucas: i'll start reading your papers now ;) http://www.loria.fr/~lnussbau/files/debian-clade09.pdf Feb 04 09:43:38 64bit or 32bit? Feb 04 09:45:12 64bit Feb 04 09:49:17 Remosi: here's my cruft to set up a node: http://gitorious.org/freemoe/freemoe/blobs/master/bin/freemoe-build-node-setup Feb 04 09:50:39 hrm Feb 04 09:51:30 * Remosi tries to think how best to do this, given that A) we're running 64bit and I'm pretty sure vdso in recent enough kernels can't be disabled, B) I'd really not mess up with whats installed on the box Feb 04 09:51:40 * Remosi ponders doing the entire thing in a chroot Feb 04 09:52:40 what about kvm? Feb 04 09:53:05 vdso can be disabled afaik Feb 04 09:53:34 64bit is a small hassle since the SDK wants 32bit, but i'm sure that's solvable easily enough. Feb 04 09:53:43 MADD is an option? or disable vdso with echo ? > /proc/? Feb 04 09:53:52 ah yes Feb 04 09:54:16 jabba not on recent kernels, it's just not a sysctl you can turn off, it's just not there. Feb 04 09:55:08 yesssss!!! sys.stdout = open('/home/user/.output_log.txt', 'a') and sys.stderr = open('/home/user/error_log.txt', 'a') solved my problems :) Feb 04 09:55:08 "Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks" Feb 04 09:55:09 jebba, yeah, kvm might be a goer, lets see Feb 04 09:55:16 mece, nice Feb 04 09:55:29 rsalveti, I suspect that that is the other way around... Feb 04 09:55:36 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020304057.html?nav=igoogle Feb 04 09:56:35 RST38h, well publically.... Feb 04 09:56:43 RST38h, SCARY!! Feb 04 09:56:54 * mece puts on his tinfoil hat Feb 04 09:58:47 morning Feb 04 09:59:28 Remosi: i see /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled on 2.6.32.7. But not in all kernel builds. Feb 04 09:59:40 jebba: my guess is that it requires CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO Feb 04 09:59:46 which is disabled on debian builds Feb 04 09:59:48 cat: /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled: No such file or directory Feb 04 09:59:49 yeah Feb 04 09:59:59 morning ;) Feb 04 10:01:52 jebba: when lenny or squezze rebuild? Feb 04 10:01:58 heh. Feb 04 10:02:06 we're looking for a bigger box ;) Feb 04 10:02:51 and i need to find a reasonable way to distribute the build jobs (or I can just kludge it on a smaller cluster easily enough) Feb 04 10:11:03 jebba: once the build nodes are setup, I just start the build using wrappers started by ssh Feb 04 10:11:20 it's then quite easy to have a central node that schedules the builds on the various nodes Feb 04 10:14:36 lucas: where is this now? http://www-id.imag.fr/~nussbaum/katapult.php (404 from this page: https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Grid5000:Software ). Feb 04 10:14:36 Basically; i just need that good scheduler to dole out the packages reasonably. I've looked at a couple from debian. I'm reading your paper now, but I dont see which it is you are using. Feb 04 10:14:38 yet. Feb 04 10:20:04 jebba, so, straight debian i386, then grab your script and run it? Feb 04 10:20:32 grab my script, dwell upon what it might do, then run it ;) Feb 04 10:20:53 yeah I've read it, I was just confirming that you started with a blank debian i386 ;) Feb 04 10:21:32 Remosi: ya, that's starting from a pretty blank lenny i386 node spawned @ amazon Feb 04 10:21:46 then you should be able to run "sbdmock" as user/builder Feb 04 10:22:16 jebba, what specs are the box you ran that on ? Feb 04 10:22:49 the etch builds* Feb 04 10:24:55 jebba, how much storage does an individual node need? Feb 04 10:24:59 swc|666: it was a virtual machine (KVM) inside a box with 8 CPUs and started with 4gigs of ram but i bumped it to 24gigs about 25% of the way in. Feb 04 10:25:36 hmmm Feb 04 10:25:54 jebba: http://www.loria.fr/~lnussbau/katapult.html Feb 04 10:26:32 Remosi: the /scratchbox is 4.2G Other than that, not much more space except the source itself and the build. Feb 04 10:27:20 symbian is now more open than maemo? :P Feb 04 10:27:27 morn everyone :) Feb 04 10:27:31 hey Feb 04 10:27:31 erf, but grenoble.grid5000.fr is not reachable from us mere mortal Feb 04 10:27:38 wazd: hey Feb 04 10:27:44 wazd: one word "capabilities" Feb 04 10:28:11 Corsac: katapult is in sid (at least= Feb 04 10:28:11 so 10GB? Feb 04 10:28:21 i may put some overclocked i7 power with a raid setup (non vm) and try to do the same soon Feb 04 10:28:23 whoops, different katapult... Feb 04 10:28:27 jebba: don't think it's the same :) Feb 04 10:28:50 Remosi: that sounds reasonable per node Feb 04 10:28:53 wazd: give me a symbian phone with capabilities turned off, a sane symbian build system, a good way to debug, good error messages, etc. Heh none of that will ever happen Feb 04 10:29:01 what license is this open source symbian? Feb 04 10:29:08 swc|666: do not do etch build - do at least lenny Feb 04 10:29:21 jebba, cool Feb 04 10:29:26 lenny/squueze is what i plan to do Feb 04 10:29:29 both* Feb 04 10:29:46 maemo17 will be lenny based Feb 04 10:30:10 asj_: never say never :) Feb 04 10:30:12 but the sdk will still be etch based ;p Feb 04 10:30:26 wazd: come on, a sane symbian build system will never ever happen Feb 04 10:30:27 hah Feb 04 10:30:30 Corsac: of course Feb 04 10:31:00 Corsac: nokia do not have money for paying sbox developer to make something more fresh Feb 04 10:31:22 hrw, yep, they need all their $ to goto the apple defense fund Feb 04 10:31:57 I'd like to be able to just dev straight on the phone :P Feb 04 10:31:59 * swc|666 throws his macbook pro out the window Feb 04 10:32:06 they are paying out a dividend for last quarter... Feb 04 10:32:41 glad uhsf got round to flashing his DOA phone Feb 04 10:32:49 he sounded quite happy with it Feb 04 10:33:15 * Stskeeps ponders idly at http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_Base_Port Feb 04 10:33:58 what exactly do they mean by 'chipset' ? Feb 04 10:34:05 that's what i'm wondering too Feb 04 10:34:20 what don't you understand? Feb 04 10:34:22 that said, i'm happy to finally see some indications in this direction Feb 04 10:34:51 looking at the table of contents, it looks like a complete plateform Feb 04 10:34:53 not just a chipset Feb 04 10:35:20 * Corsac mumbles about nokia licensing maemo to other companies Feb 04 10:36:01 think i need to poke some people and ask about that Feb 04 10:37:40 i like that they put stronger demands on others than on themselves Feb 04 10:37:42 such as usb host, heh Feb 04 10:37:45 looks like conformance document for saying something is maemo Feb 04 10:37:57 Stskeeps, kernel has to support it not the hw ;) Feb 04 10:38:07 ah Feb 04 10:38:08 :P Feb 04 10:38:17 that said, some of these requirements are bullcrap.. Feb 04 10:38:17 :P Feb 04 10:38:48 i like the gstreamer modules qa requirements Feb 04 10:39:05 they seem happy with our requirements for elements' code to hit -good Feb 04 10:39:07 god this place is huge Feb 04 10:39:27 where are you at now? :P Feb 04 10:39:49 nrc helsinki Feb 04 10:39:53 ah, yes, it is Feb 04 10:40:26 i get lost constantly when i'm there Feb 04 10:40:29 the last two experiences I've had of that place make me hate it a bit Feb 04 10:41:15 last time I was there for a user study of social media software twitter went down and I had to wait close to the door to the smoking area Feb 04 10:41:37 the time before that I apparently was having a gallstone attack and had cold sweats of pain during the whole meeting Feb 04 10:41:41 frals: you're there now? Feb 04 10:41:48 * timeless_mbp should go in Feb 04 10:41:51 * timeless_mbp has a meeting @1 Feb 04 10:41:56 The Base Port shall include the necessary device Feb 04 10:41:56 * timeless_mbp also has a flight @6 Feb 04 10:41:59 driver (e.g. flash, eMMC, cellular modem) support for the Nokia flashing solution and provide Feb 04 10:42:03 performance close to the maximum theoretical write performance of the memory technology Feb 04 10:42:06 used. Feb 04 10:42:23 Stskeeps: "a base port which is 100x slower than optimal isn't a useful port" Feb 04 10:42:44 timeless_mbp: well, yes, but i was more worrying about the fact that well, the flashing communication protocol isn't actually open Feb 04 10:42:46 roughly, what they're saying is "dear hardware solution vendor" Feb 04 10:42:47 :P Feb 04 10:43:12 "if you want to be a potential supplier. you must provide something that is readymade for production, and doesn't require years of tuning" Feb 04 10:43:25 fair enough Feb 04 10:43:33 * timeless_mbp wonders if that's a secret Feb 04 10:43:42 btw, if you guys can't read between those lines, you're fired ;-) Feb 04 10:43:50 (or at least not hired) Feb 04 10:44:35 guys, can you pelase make me a shot of e-mail notification and Marina with 1 window on the task swithcer? Feb 04 10:45:07 Stskeeps: what exactly is that fantasy port? Full kernel git available? That would be nice ;) Feb 04 10:45:29 wazd, you want to capture the white test? Feb 04 10:45:34 s/test/text/ Feb 04 10:45:35 zaheerm meant: wazd, you want to capture the white text? Feb 04 10:45:42 jebba: yes, that was my initial impresssion too. as well as "theoretical max" Feb 04 10:46:07 ah, it's on maemo-developers Feb 04 10:46:13 zaheerm: well, I already have this shot, I just need the largest version of notification :P Design issues Feb 04 10:46:35 wazd, does it have to be an email, can it be an IM or sms? Feb 04 10:46:43 zaheerm: I really don't know what happened with font color, maybe I should ask AndrewFBlack or someone Feb 04 10:47:07 zaheerm: well, it should be a yellow box :) Feb 04 10:47:15 zaheerm: I don't know if they are different Feb 04 10:47:22 wazd, im and sms are yellow boxes Feb 04 10:47:24 zaheerm: not row, box Feb 04 10:47:28 jebba: that said, i do wonder what the motivation is behind this document Feb 04 10:47:38 zaheerm: that's fine then, I don't mind :) Feb 04 10:47:59 Stskeeps: fictional writer motivation? :D Feb 04 10:48:12 jebba: oh, that's very nice: The Base Port shall provide a modem plugin to adapt the oFono[17] open Feb 04 10:48:15 source telephony solution to the platform (oFono standard). Feb 04 10:49:52 anyone planning to port cmus or moc? my skills are not enough todo such task Feb 04 10:50:04 ill be happy with an non repo opted binary even Feb 04 10:52:03 "the kernel source code shall be available as a git repository with full commit history" Feb 04 10:52:06 hmh hmh Feb 04 10:52:52 jebba, hrm, I think I'm almost ready Feb 04 10:53:50 wazd, turns out sending im to myself doesn't come thesame way as someone else sending me an IM Feb 04 10:54:51 hmhm, 'the kernel shall support kms' Feb 04 10:55:03 is there even a kms driver for omapfb in the kernel? Feb 04 10:55:19 well, this is m6 timeframe Feb 04 10:55:26 so maybe they're sitting on one Feb 04 10:55:42 that could mean they're working on it Feb 04 10:55:47 'fixed in harmattan' style :) Feb 04 10:56:02 Stskeeps: I wonder if nokia will follow this doc Feb 04 10:56:10 hrw: i will be positively surprised Feb 04 10:56:22 the doc isn't hard for nokia to follow Feb 04 10:56:23 hmhm, kernel49, magnetometer ;) Feb 04 10:57:10 heh Feb 04 10:57:37 Stskeeps: so do I Feb 04 10:57:51 Corsac: kernel3 would be nice Feb 04 10:58:02 and kernel2 Feb 04 10:58:05 jebba: btw, http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-cellular Feb 04 10:58:33 would be just nice to be able to flash the current kernel.... ;) Feb 04 10:59:29 yeah.. Feb 04 10:59:29 :P Feb 04 10:59:30 Symbian^2 open sourced today Feb 04 10:59:35 RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Feb 04 11:00:08 Corsac: at least there's plenty of material for the rumour mill Feb 04 11:01:02 Stskeeps: hmm, can't git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo-cellular/ofono.git get: "fatal: no matching remote head" Feb 04 11:01:06 RST38h: AAAaa Feb 04 11:01:08 jebba: ah, nothing uploaded yet Feb 04 11:01:11 i wonder if mer could even get remotely closed to qualifying for it, heh Feb 04 11:01:42 ah, mostly hw oriented Feb 04 11:03:57 Stskeeps: definitely :) Feb 04 11:05:04 Some bi or les girl there? Feb 04 11:05:32 probably, but this isn't really a pick-up chatroom Feb 04 11:05:35 not that kind of channel im afraid, also probably wrong irc network for that Feb 04 11:06:02 morning Feb 04 11:08:37 n8x0 is not yet fully present in Linus kernel tree - right? Feb 04 11:09:04 right Feb 04 11:09:05 if by Linus you mean Linux, yes Feb 04 11:09:09 and probably never would Feb 04 11:09:16 *will Feb 04 11:09:41 The point of Linux isn't to support everything out there Feb 04 11:09:47 Stskeeps, what do you mean by "isn't really" ;) Feb 04 11:10:12 not all in one single kernel, anyway Feb 04 11:10:24 crashanddie: hmhm, I kind of disagree Feb 04 11:10:34 I'm happy for you Feb 04 11:10:39 crashanddie: by "Linux kernel tree" I mean "Linus Torvalds Linux kernel tree also known as mainline" Feb 04 11:10:44 upstream definitely push downstream to include as much stuff as possible in mainline Feb 04 11:10:49 (properly maintained, though) Feb 04 11:10:50 zaheerm: i stopped claiming irc isn't a place for pickup in general after people comes to tell me that they got laid due to my IRCd software. :P Feb 04 11:10:55 :)) Feb 04 11:11:09 zaheerm: heh :) Feb 04 11:11:25 hrw: my point still stands Feb 04 11:11:25 Stskeeps: lol Feb 04 11:11:41 new sales pitch for it then? Feb 04 11:12:01 Remosi: i added a slightly different freemoe-rebuild-debs file to the git repo. You can just feed that script a .dsc and it will crank out the package. Also see the sdbmock files in servers/obra which need to be added to ~/.sbdmock. I'm off to sleep RSN. Feb 04 11:12:27 jebba, Awesome! Feb 04 11:12:29 Stskeeps, lol Feb 04 11:12:33 jebba, which timezone are you in? Feb 04 11:13:50 crashanddie: my n810 runs Linux in 2.6.18-nokia version. I am unable to upgrade to 2.6.33-rc5 vanilla. Feb 04 11:14:05 MST GMT -7 ... (Colorado USA) Feb 04 11:14:33 hrw: and? Feb 04 11:14:35 jebba, ah sleep well, I'm off to bed soon too (NZT, GMT+13) Feb 04 11:14:51 hrw: is that because of drivers or armel support? Feb 04 11:15:18 Remosi: my NZ fotos: http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/nz/ ;) Feb 04 11:15:34 Awesome : Feb 04 11:16:01 crashanddie: drivers written by nokia were not merged Feb 04 11:16:17 hrw: TADAAA Feb 04 11:17:28 heh, JooJoo is ready for manufacturing :) Feb 04 11:17:45 Awwww. I wanted to tell that guy I was a bi or les girl. :/ Feb 04 11:18:03 I'm not, but it would have been funny at least. Feb 04 11:18:49 Stskeeps: I met my wife on IRC over 10 years ago. Feb 04 11:19:11 zerojay: hmm, I guess IRC isn't that good for one's sex life after all then Feb 04 11:19:23 wazd: erf, they claim 'full hd support' with a 1366x768 screen Feb 04 11:19:43 zerojay: not putting down the concept, it just confirms that romances happen in weird places :P Feb 04 11:19:44 zerojay: thanks to unrealircd? Feb 04 11:19:45 lol... forgot to mention "720p" Feb 04 11:19:55 maybe they can downsample 1080p videos? Feb 04 11:20:23 indeed, it may be capable of reading a 1080p signal Feb 04 11:20:27 Corsac: full hd "playback" Feb 04 11:21:11 Stskeeps: Indeed. Feb 04 11:21:18 Corsac: No, not unrealircd. Feb 04 11:21:19 ok, so it can read full hd stuff and outputs them to /dev/null Feb 04 11:22:08 recall omap3 propaganda from TI referring to fullspeed HD playback... Feb 04 11:22:23 yeah Feb 04 11:24:33 Extras devel hash mismatch? Feb 04 11:24:53 and? Feb 04 11:24:56 BADSIG? Feb 04 11:25:00 jebba: katapult is useless outside of grid5000. regarding scheduler, I wrote my own. the code is available, but there are probably too many grid'5000 specificities in it to be useful Feb 04 11:25:25 * mgedmin has an asus eeepc 900 connected to a Full HD TV. the asus can display 1080p, but it cannot decode even 720p... Feb 04 11:25:43 I'd rather have it the other way around Feb 04 11:25:45 1080p requires 4x cpu power than 720p Feb 04 11:25:48 damn, if they can keep the price at $500 then JooJoo looks interesting Feb 04 11:25:53 jebba: I'd recommend writing your own. what mine does is to take a list of (expected duration, command) as input, and schedule them on nodes longest first Feb 04 11:26:02 wazd: if it's hackable, it might even run mer ;p Feb 04 11:26:03 lucas: might be useful to look at. Are ou talking about http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/nz/ Feb 04 11:26:04 acidjazz: or nvidia gfx card Feb 04 11:26:09 whoops http://kadeploy.imag.fr/ Feb 04 11:26:33 jebba: no kadeploy is the tool used to deploy (install) build nodes Feb 04 11:26:40 Stskeeps: it's just an Atom, ofcourse it is :P Feb 04 11:27:05 wazd: doesn't mean you can get in and replace kernel and rootfs though : Feb 04 11:27:06 / Feb 04 11:27:41 jebba: the job scheduler is http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/debcluster/scripts/masternode.rb Feb 04 11:28:02 Hellooooooooooo!!! Feb 04 11:28:06 jebba: but it's very hackish Feb 04 11:28:11 if I don't go to bed tonight will tomorrow not come? Feb 04 11:28:20 I have to do symbian devel tomorrow and I don't want to Feb 04 11:31:09 fosdemmers can come to #fosdem for logistical or other chat Feb 04 11:31:23 how to kill maemo5 UI: transmit few GB over sshfs over wifi Feb 04 11:31:29 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4329396781/sizes/o/ Feb 04 11:31:44 zaheerm: oh, thanks a lot Feb 04 11:33:03 hrw, been there, done that Feb 04 11:33:07 hildon-thumbnailer sucks Feb 04 11:33:21 did you know it rebuilds thumbnails of the photos if you change their tags? Feb 04 11:33:31 damn just saw that the n900 can do google chat video, that would be sweet Feb 04 11:34:08 mgedmin: does not suprise me. Feb 04 11:34:16 asj_: *can't*? Feb 04 11:34:22 mgedmin: if something can be broken then maemo has it apply Feb 04 11:34:29 lucas: can, if they call you with video Feb 04 11:34:40 s/maemo/the whole software industry/ Feb 04 11:34:46 asj_: google chat with video between n900 didn't work for me Feb 04 11:35:06 lucas: I managed to have an *audio* chat on jabber between n900 and empathy on squeeze Feb 04 11:35:16 lucas: right, it can't initiat, but if someone else initiates it it'll give you the option to turn on your camera too Feb 04 11:35:17 lucas: but video didn't seem to work because of codecs mismatchs Feb 04 11:35:30 (in both sides) Feb 04 11:35:51 asj_: ah ok, so it works, except if you don't use 2 n900s ;) Feb 04 11:36:02 s/don't// Feb 04 11:36:02 lucas meant: asj_: ah ok, so it works, except if you use 2 n900s ;) Feb 04 11:36:14 exactly Feb 04 11:36:19 nice Feb 04 11:37:15 but it's promissing Feb 04 11:37:29 yup, I wasn't being sarcastic :-) Feb 04 11:38:05 lucas: ya, too bad the n900 is getting too old...maybe the next device will support it well ;) Feb 04 11:38:40 n900 is already deprecated anyway Feb 04 11:39:07 Can anyone just add himself to the "maintainer list" for a package in extras? Feb 04 11:39:25 jonnylamb: Someone take over one of your packages? Feb 04 11:39:30 For example, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/account-plugin-haze/ -- who the hell is Mr. Zhang? Feb 04 11:40:05 I don't really care if he wants to take any credit, but I don't really want him to have any "smart ideas" and start uploading packages without talking to me. Feb 04 11:40:09 Username "urmybaby"? wtf. Feb 04 11:40:41 Grand total of 4 karma. Feb 04 11:41:00 I have a massive ten more than him. Feb 04 11:41:29 I thought there was at least some oversight over it... like the current maintainer has to approve. Feb 04 11:41:59 Anyone played with the clutter effects in hildon? Feb 04 11:42:23 zerojay: Yes, I thought that was in place too, but I certainly haven't approved anyone. Feb 04 11:42:42 thx lucas, grabbing that svn repo now. Feb 04 11:43:44 ok, decision taken, going to get a kawa er5 Feb 04 11:44:02 considering I had my bike license revoked in france, I need to go through the whole cycle again now that I'm in oz Feb 04 11:44:17 bike license? Feb 04 11:44:24 motorbike Feb 04 11:45:00 oh ok Feb 04 11:45:16 I didn't parse kawa to kawasaki :) Feb 04 11:45:20 You can ride a 500cc with a revoked license?! Feb 04 11:45:29 (I parsed it to kawa like, coffee) Feb 04 11:46:01 jonnylamb: well, to them I don't have a license at all Feb 04 11:46:16 jonnylamb: so it's a learner's license Feb 04 11:46:50 And you can ride something like that on a learner license? Feb 04 11:46:57 it's only 50hp Feb 04 11:46:58 so yeah Feb 04 11:47:06 miles away from my ninja 650 Feb 04 11:47:46 crashanddie: I have an er-6 Feb 04 11:48:14 i was hesitating between the suku 250 bandit, but I can't be bothered to have a 4 stroke Feb 04 11:48:19 crashanddie: my motorcycle license tranfered straight from my old one Feb 04 11:48:25 On a provisional in the UK you can only ride up to 125cc, 14.6bhp. Feb 04 11:48:37 jonnylamb: which is why I never bothered in the UK Feb 04 11:48:50 so I got a full open license in oz ... no hassles, no learners, etc Feb 04 11:49:00 asj_: nice, you in oz as well? Feb 04 11:49:06 Or you could, you know, just take the test. Feb 04 11:49:08 crashanddie: yeah, in brisse Feb 04 11:49:20 asj_: bane? Feb 04 11:49:24 yes Feb 04 11:49:27 no shit, me too Feb 04 11:49:43 crashanddie: what brought you over? Feb 04 11:49:43 newegg is having a valentines special for the n900 if anyone cares Feb 04 11:49:47 asj_: work Feb 04 11:49:51 asj_: working for TMR Feb 04 11:49:56 crashanddie: ah cool, same here Feb 04 11:49:56 well, contractor for them Feb 04 11:50:02 solrize: how much? Feb 04 11:50:07 529 Feb 04 11:50:12 isn Feb 04 11:50:17 't dell under 450? Feb 04 11:50:21 asj_: TMR as well? Feb 04 11:50:29 zaheerm: and wide notifications look OK? Feb 04 11:50:37 i think the dell deal dried up and people had all kinds of problems with dell too Feb 04 11:50:44 i'm looking at google shopping and 529 is really good Feb 04 11:50:46 crashanddie: nope, R&D elsewhere Feb 04 11:50:49 k Feb 04 11:50:57 unfortunately there would be about 50 bucks sales tax where i am Feb 04 11:51:07 asj_: you have an N900? I can borrow you mine if you want to play with it Feb 04 11:51:18 crashanddie: oh yes I have one :) Feb 04 11:51:22 k Feb 04 11:51:25 in fact the price seems to have gone UP in the past few weeks Feb 04 11:51:28 wife does too ;) Feb 04 11:51:43 asj_: how long you been in oz for? Feb 04 11:51:50 crashanddie: since Oct Feb 04 11:52:02 oh pretty recent then, cool, whereabouts you livin'? Feb 04 11:52:19 burbs or city? Feb 04 11:52:31 crashanddie: out by Carrindale shopping center, in the burbs Feb 04 11:52:34 wazd, yep they look fine Feb 04 11:52:44 hmm Feb 04 11:52:44 wazd, nice dark background with readable text Feb 04 11:53:01 asj_: how's the traffic with a bike from the burbs? Feb 04 11:53:12 (if you work in CBD) Feb 04 11:53:29 crashanddie: I work futher out, so it's reverse commute down the gateway Feb 04 11:53:34 k Feb 04 11:53:39 hey Feb 04 11:53:48 Im looking for information about GPS's bug ; GPS doesn't work on N900 ; anyone here gets an idea about when it will be fixed ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 ; I confirm this bug, so I returned my n900 to Nokia :( Feb 04 11:53:49 Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon Feb 04 11:53:57 100km the whole way, when the limit allows it :) Feb 04 11:54:06 eh, I see its hot topic ;) Feb 04 11:54:16 LOD: no, that's just a bot Feb 04 11:54:21 bug #123 Feb 04 11:54:22 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar Feb 04 11:54:30 hehe k Feb 04 11:54:53 LOD: you sent your N900 back for a bug? Feb 04 11:55:12 anyway, I'm out, couple of friends arrived and we're going for drinks Feb 04 11:55:13 and other bugs ;) yes ofCourse, you know the phone price ;) Feb 04 11:55:19 cu... Feb 04 11:55:26 asj_: talk later mate, would be good to meet up if you ever feel like it Feb 04 11:55:40 crashanddie: yeah would be good, we'll talk about it later Feb 04 11:55:59 how are you even supposed to find an area without a cellular connection :O Feb 04 11:56:14 koala_man: foreign country, no local sim (yet) Feb 04 11:56:56 there is no commun point between GPS and cellulars Feb 04 11:57:18 zaheerm: ok, looks like I've fixed it Feb 04 11:57:37 zaheerm: if you don't mind, can you please take a shot of a calendar app? Feb 04 11:57:37 asj_: I've never had problems with that. is it a subscription thing? Feb 04 11:57:48 zaheerm: some views Feb 04 11:58:06 wazd, ok Feb 04 11:58:45 koala_man: with unassisted GPS lock or lack of intl roaming? Feb 04 11:58:54 lack of intl roaming Feb 04 11:59:06 koala_man: non of my US sims have intl roaming Feb 04 11:59:19 ah. US. say no more. Feb 04 11:59:27 I actually have a NZ sim I used for some limited roaming Feb 04 12:00:03 koala_man: but you might not want to pay the $2 to download the 10k of ephemeris data either Feb 04 12:00:14 daaaamn Feb 04 12:00:27 I have a great idea for the device to manufacture! Feb 04 12:00:34 I guess you could reproduce the bug by taking the sim out? Feb 04 12:00:39 yup Feb 04 12:00:48 or going offline I would assume Feb 04 12:00:50 wazd, i have week, month and agenda view Feb 04 12:01:06 zaheerm: that's enough I think, thanks for the help Feb 04 12:06:37 I have been playing with the above bug. Feb 04 12:07:19 Powering off, resetting GPS position with the included app in the bug report, leaving 30 mins without battery, and retrying with no/various SIMs with and without network connection Feb 04 12:07:37 I have yet to - in reasonable signal conditions - get it to exceed 10 min lock time Feb 04 12:07:59 which is really bad - but at least works. Feb 04 12:08:00 a kind a workaround, not a solution :s Feb 04 12:08:09 of* Feb 04 12:08:18 this should be worst case. Feb 04 12:08:44 its a 6 months or more bug :s Feb 04 12:08:51 yes Feb 04 12:09:07 weird how it take time to fix it :( Feb 04 12:09:09 my first n810 lock took about a day Feb 04 12:09:10 s Feb 04 12:09:10 and people are not contributing to the bug with accurate complete reports to enable it to be narrowed down Feb 04 12:09:16 LOD: so it is fresh Feb 04 12:09:29 hmm, k, I you say Feb 04 12:09:31 fizing can be hard if it does not occur for those trying to debug it. Feb 04 12:09:34 fixing Feb 04 12:10:04 see the bug report url I gave, theres hundreds answers and tests reports Feb 04 12:10:21 err - no Feb 04 12:10:24 there are about 4 Feb 04 12:10:29 from 2 people Feb 04 12:11:15 wazd: now I also have write notifications on yellow Feb 04 12:11:51 wazd: with 1.05 ver Feb 04 12:12:24 hrw: ok, wait a bit for a fix :) Feb 04 12:14:44 yes SpeedEvil sorry, its on another report https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Feb 04 12:14:45 Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Feb 04 12:16:42 yes - tehre are detailed reports from around 3 or 4 people. Feb 04 12:16:52 hehe, ok Feb 04 12:16:54 wazd: great that you found it Feb 04 12:17:18 so, may the force be with you ;) Feb 04 12:24:20 must be a pita, people whining and whining yet not providing requested info :) Feb 04 12:25:35 'me too' is not a Feb 04 12:25:51 to be fair, it's not a completely trivial bug to test Feb 04 12:27:59 zaheerm: ping? :D Feb 04 12:28:33 wazd, i pm'd you... Feb 04 12:28:42 zaheerm: aaah Feb 04 12:28:53 zaheerm: I have paranoid PM system Feb 04 12:29:11 wazd, can i pm you now then? :) Feb 04 12:29:22 iirc from staring at N810, you needed 2-3 satellites with >30ish signal strength or you'd wait forever Feb 04 12:29:44 ShadowJK: yes. This is in one case - open sky and took 10 Feb 04 12:30:09 hmm.. new release of qt 4.6 for maemo again Feb 04 12:31:21 2-3 satelites? Feb 04 12:31:28 you can't get a fix with just 2 satelites! Feb 04 12:35:14 hi Feb 04 12:35:28 mgedmin: you can get a time fix Feb 04 12:36:07 mgedmin: 2-3 over 35 Feb 04 12:36:36 the over 35 is likely to be able to download the almanac or ephemerides without error Feb 04 12:36:48 but one should be adequate for this purpose Feb 04 12:37:07 hey, the satellite signal meter on maemo5 location-test-ui goes from yellow to green at about 35 Feb 04 12:39:55 * LOD is away: Occupé Feb 04 12:42:24 Please could you write when it try to connect to internet? I don't understand when it try connect, because I have set update every 1 hour, but not selected WLAN&GSM.It try connect again. When i ended incoming call it ask for selection of cennection (I storno this choise). 2 hour later N900 was connection to (trusted) WLAN. Feb 04 12:42:38 what the hell does that mean? :D Feb 04 12:43:07 engrish Feb 04 12:46:56 wazd: sounds like an app is trying to establish a connection and they don't have automatic connect enabled Feb 04 12:57:43 hey? Feb 04 12:58:55 how do i know if a folder is 'non vfat'??? Feb 04 12:59:11 vfat does not apply to folders Feb 04 12:59:15 its a filesystem Feb 04 12:59:51 as in, fat16/fat32 Feb 04 12:59:52 I'm going to assume whoever told you something about "non-vfat folders" meant folders on a vfat filesystem Feb 04 13:00:02 I mean not on a vfat filesystem Feb 04 13:00:15 it is yo momma... vfat. haha Feb 04 13:00:26 sorry i read it on the maemo.org forum Feb 04 13:00:35 im trying to take hdr photos Feb 04 13:00:54 im not too familiar with linux file systems Feb 04 13:01:12 terrybogard: I presume the point is that vfat isn't too fast Feb 04 13:02:17 well it says to place the files in a non vfat folder Feb 04 13:02:34 to run it Feb 04 13:02:34 1) Place the files contained in the attached file in a non vfat folder eg., ~. Feb 04 13:02:52 everything under MyDocs is vfat, everything else isn't, simple Feb 04 13:03:36 you cannot run programs from vfat Feb 04 13:03:56 villager, there's also /media/mmc* Feb 04 13:04:06 ah ok so id need an ssh client to upload the files elsewhere Feb 04 13:04:29 or copy to vfat and then move them with xterm Feb 04 13:04:34 but yeah, ssh is very convenient Feb 04 13:04:58 cool thanks ill give it a try :) Feb 04 13:05:11 scp foo root@phone:/where/ever/ Feb 04 13:05:47 mgedmin: guess so, if you have a vfat sd... I don't use it myself, so don't really remember that stuff Feb 04 13:13:31 ok sorry in advance for seeming like a complete idiot but how do i run a .sh script? Feb 04 13:14:09 terrybogard: sh filename.sh Feb 04 13:14:28 or ./filename.sh if it got +x bit set Feb 04 13:14:50 thanks ill give it another shot Feb 04 13:15:15 +x bit won't work under MyDocs, which is mounted with noexec Feb 04 13:16:09 and there's the run-standalone.sh script which sets the environment or something? Feb 04 13:17:00 im getting errors that say gst-launch: not found Feb 04 13:17:50 what could be the cause of usb0 not transmitting any packets? Feb 04 13:18:15 cable not plugged in? Feb 04 13:18:25 select pc suite mode? Feb 04 13:18:35 mh, did anyone get sip video calls working? Feb 04 13:18:52 Does the MyDocs partition really need to be vfat? what about ext3? Feb 04 13:18:59 i didnt think maemo 5 supports video calls Feb 04 13:19:01 cable plugged in, of course, ip li on machine doesnt say no-carrier Feb 04 13:19:11 terrybogard: apparently it works for skype Feb 04 13:19:13 ifconfig on device shows the same Feb 04 13:19:20 pc suite mode is selected. Feb 04 13:19:32 terrybogard: it says that 3G videocalls is not supported but will be in the future, iirc the web page Feb 04 13:19:33 sip allows me to turn on the cam, but there's no video transmitted Feb 04 13:19:45 * satmd talks about sip over wlan Feb 04 13:19:48 satmd: the skype thats built in ?? Feb 04 13:19:54 iirc, yes Feb 04 13:19:59 route add default 192.168.2.14 says no such device :o Feb 04 13:20:04 i've ifupped usb0 of course Feb 04 13:20:08 14:19:59 < thresh> route add default 192.168.2.14 says no such device :o Feb 04 13:20:13 14:19:59 < thresh> route add default gw 192.168.2.14 says no such device :o Feb 04 13:20:20 i heard fring supported it but thats gone missing Feb 04 13:20:23 oh shit Feb 04 13:20:40 mmh works Feb 04 13:20:41 thanks Feb 04 13:20:43 :) Feb 04 13:21:02 bloody route should be removed in favor of ip(8) Feb 04 13:24:07 Bleh, need to glue the magnet for the kickstand back on my proto. . . . Feb 04 13:24:45 im completely missing my magnet Feb 04 13:24:59 lost sdhc card ability Feb 04 13:25:20 been meaning to go to radio shack to buy magnetic tape Feb 04 13:27:49 thresh: don't forget the "gw" keyword Feb 04 13:30:27 hi guys Feb 04 13:30:36 what is this maemo thing? Feb 04 13:31:06 maemo is an operating system for nokia internet tablets and the n900 phones, comprising closed nokia binaries and open-source elements. Feb 04 13:31:07 linux for small tablet/(phones) Feb 04 13:31:09 its a cave where all trolls go to lurk linuxgirl Feb 04 13:31:26 ~maemo Feb 04 13:31:27 it has been said that maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ Feb 04 13:31:35 hmm Feb 04 13:31:59 cool Feb 04 13:32:04 SpeedEvil: heh... you just said "n900 phones" :) Feb 04 13:32:17 tybollt: there is more than one phone. Feb 04 13:32:27 no Feb 04 13:32:29 _phone_ Feb 04 13:32:52 I have one, and some other people have one - so it's phones. Feb 04 13:33:24 Gawd that's old. Feb 04 13:33:54 ~no Maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml Feb 04 13:33:55 GeneralAntilles: okay Feb 04 13:34:21 there's no need to argue, guys :D Feb 04 13:34:52 has anyone here tried to get the hdr pictures script to work?! Feb 04 13:34:54 welcome to the internet Feb 04 13:35:08 coz its wont work for me :( Feb 04 13:35:15 omg a nick with *girl included Feb 04 13:35:18 everyone goes nuts Feb 04 13:35:48 hi all, I'm trying to get the Maemo 4.1.2 SDK running on openSUSE 11.2, getting the known mmap: Permission Denied errors, no sysctl settings seem to help... Feb 04 13:35:48 relax girl on teh intaweb means freaky old guy!! Feb 04 13:35:54 hi ;=] Feb 04 13:36:29 I'm betting on tentacled alien monstrosity myself. Feb 04 13:36:52 dont forget old saying: internet is a place where men are men, women are men and children are fbi agents :P Feb 04 13:37:37 lol and im a videogame character! :p Feb 04 13:37:55 arg. wtf Feb 04 13:38:08 Google Latitude Updater has a version pinned requirement for libqt4-* Feb 04 13:38:34 lol, somebody wants to use the flasher on their N97 and E71. . . . Feb 04 13:39:08 cant blame them... symbian sucks! only thing it has of any use is free sat nav :S Feb 04 13:39:10 goodluckwiththat Feb 04 13:39:25 I don't agree Feb 04 13:39:26 oh will people shut the fuck up already about satnav Feb 04 13:39:33 we'll get it, be frigging patient Feb 04 13:39:37 for people going to FOSDEM this weekend : http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/phone Feb 04 13:39:38 * GeneralAntilles notes that mailing lists frequently get crazier people than Talk. Feb 04 13:39:48 GeneralAntilles: wow Feb 04 13:39:49 GeneralAntilles: I'm on both! Feb 04 13:39:51 lol i am patient! Feb 04 13:39:52 that's incredibly scary Feb 04 13:39:59 as someone having used symbian since oh... epoc days... I'll not admit to symbian being bad that easily :) Feb 04 13:40:01 -user or -developer? Feb 04 13:40:22 but being patient doesnt mean we cant say wed like it sooner ;) Feb 04 13:40:39 Corsac, -developers Feb 04 13:40:53 Corsac, I unsubscribed from -users about a year ago and have never looked back. Feb 04 13:41:01 Corsac, that place is a cesspool of idiocy. Feb 04 13:41:02 GeneralAntilles: +1 on the mascot thing Feb 04 13:41:37 fcrozat: now someoone needs to upload it to extras :) Feb 04 13:41:42 how can i be sure maep or maemo-mapper will keep the cache of the city i am visiting? Feb 04 13:41:55 SpeedEvil: no it's a small handheld computer w/ phone capability (if you ask me :) Feb 04 13:41:55 i dont see a cache setting Feb 04 13:41:56 if maemo had a mascot what would it be?! its linuc so a penguin? Feb 04 13:41:57 Corsac: ;) Feb 04 13:42:06 linux* Feb 04 13:42:23 terrybogard: no it's nokia so it would be a truckwheel or something :) Feb 04 13:42:49 cell-phone sized mini penguin Feb 04 13:42:51 or a rubber boot Feb 04 13:42:56 anyone repartition the home and user fat storage locations? Feb 04 13:43:12 terrybogard: i vote for something that will have big boobs :P Feb 04 13:43:12 jaska: or indeed ... a TV I believe :) Feb 04 13:43:18 wondering how that will hurt me in the future as fae as upgrades Feb 04 13:43:21 if at all Feb 04 13:43:27 a tv with a picture of a boot?:) Feb 04 13:43:27 terrybogard, IF maemo.org had a mascot, it would be lardman. Feb 04 13:43:31 torindel: itll help sell maemo to the masses!! Feb 04 13:43:34 A boot stamping on a human face forever? Feb 04 13:43:41 GeneralAntilles: it already is anyway :) Feb 04 13:44:25 Corsac, well, not officially. ;) Feb 04 13:44:37 GeneralAntilles: we shouldnt descriminate againt people with weight problems... it could be a medical condition!! Feb 04 13:46:43 why has it been removed? http://store.ovi.com/content/26254 Feb 04 13:47:17 libben: it contained mature/adult content! Feb 04 13:47:25 why? :D Feb 04 13:47:34 i want to test that rofl Feb 04 13:48:06 so where can i find it ? Feb 04 13:48:12 is it in extras devel =) Feb 04 13:48:27 was it available for n900 anyway? Feb 04 13:48:34 not sure Feb 04 13:48:40 terrybogard I stand corrected, did not get skype video when testing Feb 04 13:48:52 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 04 13:48:55 GeneralAntilles: so... Feb 04 13:48:57 i don't get it Feb 04 13:49:03 i'm restoring applications using HAM Feb 04 13:49:07 after a reflash Feb 04 13:49:15 libben: its not for n900 / maemo! Feb 04 13:49:16 why isn't it having problems w/ the files that existed in /opt? Feb 04 13:49:33 satmd: if you can find it... fring apparently had video support Feb 04 13:49:50 * satmd wants it for sip :( Feb 04 13:50:30 timeless_mbp, I think it just overwrites them. Feb 04 13:50:32 just get skype! Feb 04 13:50:33 satmd: what's wrong w/ the n900's integrated sip? Feb 04 13:50:43 GAN900: interesting Feb 04 13:50:43 timeless_mbp, I have no real clue, though. Feb 04 13:52:03 konttori_nokia: hey, please visit sp3000 and say hello the the mozilla guys Feb 04 13:52:06 they really need to see you Feb 04 13:52:15 hopefully they're still around Feb 04 13:52:17 * timeless_mbp isn't Feb 04 13:52:21 * timeless_mbp goes to catch flight Feb 04 13:52:51 btw, ham's accounting for package restoration is kinda bad Feb 04 13:53:06 it claimed that enus1 cost ~5mb, and that engb1 cost ~11mb Feb 04 13:53:24 freoffice is version pinned against qt! Feb 04 13:54:07 americans use shorter words? Feb 04 13:54:24 timeless_mbp: I don't get video support working Feb 04 13:54:25 mgedmin: the actual locale packages are ~100k iirc Feb 04 13:54:35 everything else is shared data Feb 04 13:59:56 ciao Feb 04 14:02:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ Feb 04 14:04:11 "IRC is a pretty primitive system, it's what hackers use when they don't want to be overheard" Feb 04 14:04:31 * tybollt giggles Feb 04 14:04:43 "Will we be able to listen in?" "Sure, in l33t. Luckily, I speak l33t" Feb 04 14:07:40 lucky they got the screenshot in time before everything was erased! Feb 04 14:07:54 aahaha classic! Feb 04 14:08:48 timeless, sp3000? what's that? Feb 04 14:08:51 dang, i think stevenhong was a spy! we've been found out, quick - to the tinfoilmobile! Feb 04 14:09:04 anyway, I met a few of them yesterday in 3E Feb 04 14:10:58 He Feb 04 14:11:13 i fear my maep is not caching enough of brusselsnand route Feb 04 14:11:17 "He's probably trying to decode the backdoor... " Feb 04 14:12:06 the video that frals posted yesterday is... well... priceless (in a you've got to be kidding me sort of way) Feb 04 14:14:48 note to self, dont take the morning flight to helsinki, come 1600 ur exhausted :P Feb 04 14:15:13 hahaha. 10 people using google! Feb 04 14:15:18 classic Feb 04 14:15:41 vesa? Feb 04 14:15:43 "OBVIOUSLY they are all coming from the same server..." Feb 04 14:15:51 * mtnbkr facepalms Feb 04 14:16:05 tybollt: in response to the frals yesterdays link =) Feb 04 14:17:19 mtnbkr: his other videos aren't too bad either =P Feb 04 14:20:13 vesa: I have them lined up for today's entertainment actually. :) Feb 04 14:22:16 Interesting, "The Si4713 integrates transmit functions for FM broadcast stereo transmission. Feb 04 14:22:16 The chip also allows integrated receive power scanning to identify low signal Feb 04 14:22:17 power FM channels." Feb 04 14:25:27 yes Feb 04 14:25:42 and it's accessible too Feb 04 14:26:05 there was a quick conversation on the ml about this regarding the FM tuner Feb 04 14:26:54 I think I'm getting far too obsessed with this game Feb 04 14:27:02 connect4 now has the beginnings of multiplayer support Feb 04 14:27:49 I wonder if there's a Symbian build for the N900 floating around somewhere? Feb 04 14:28:27 Didn't you hear? Feb 04 14:28:28 ugh Feb 04 14:28:39 Maemo's been discontinued Feb 04 14:28:44 PR1.2 is actually Symbian^2 Feb 04 14:28:56 after spending years hacking on the Psions I'm quite interested to know what the internals look like Feb 04 14:29:01 GeneralAntilles: ugh :P Feb 04 14:29:10 bad, bad GA Feb 04 14:29:14 Symbian^3 at least I would hope ;) Feb 04 14:29:22 say it too loudly and someone might think "hmm, that's not a bad idea" Feb 04 14:30:06 though Feb 04 14:30:08 actually Feb 04 14:30:20 is there anything opensource about symbian Feb 04 14:30:22 port winmo?:D Feb 04 14:30:35 or is that all proprietary? Feb 04 14:30:38 hmm, can't see the docs unless you;'re a member of the foundation, bit crap Feb 04 14:30:47 or if you were crafty, port winmo and symbian to run in userspace Feb 04 14:30:48 tybollt: everything Feb 04 14:30:57 lardman: entire symbian source is open? Feb 04 14:30:59 it's not proprietary any more Feb 04 14:31:03 yes apparently Feb 04 14:31:03 nice nice Feb 04 14:31:16 tybollt, it was open sourced today. Feb 04 14:31:17 and run osx arm in qemu (would need some fiddling) Feb 04 14:31:21 now to turn out to the VAST amount of symbian ... kernel hackers ;) Feb 04 14:31:28 s/out// Feb 04 14:31:30 tybollt meant: now to turn to the VAST amount of symbian ... kernel hackers ;) Feb 04 14:31:53 not terribly useful without all the board support sources for nokia phones is it :) Feb 04 14:31:54 anyone heard of a problem when turning on device, nokia screen comes up then 4 dots and then it dies going to a black screen Feb 04 14:31:55 ? Feb 04 14:32:26 so symbian w/ hildon on it .... hmmm >:) Feb 04 14:32:44 zaheerm: hmm. Feb 04 14:33:08 zaheerm: it's been a while, but i think that's what happened when the girlfriend somehow stopped hers booting, a reflash fixed it Feb 04 14:33:17 zaheerm: charge it!! Feb 04 14:33:18 happened to my wife's n900, she is currently at work using her laptop to gtalk me Feb 04 14:33:28 huh? Feb 04 14:33:29 zaheerm, dropping the battery may help. Feb 04 14:33:37 GeneralAntilles, seriously? Feb 04 14:33:43 you give your SO's n900's?? Ugh :-S Feb 04 14:33:55 tybollt: erm, there wasn't really a way around it Feb 04 14:34:04 she's a geek Feb 04 14:34:04 tybollt, no nokia gave her an n900 Feb 04 14:34:07 I gave mine an E71 and that's trouble enough as is ;P Feb 04 14:34:09 she'd have murdered me if I didn't Feb 04 14:34:24 w00t: :D Feb 04 14:34:42 zaheerm, think so. Feb 04 14:34:51 zaheerm, don't recall the exact troubleshooting, though. Feb 04 14:35:10 zaheerm, 'course, it could be something else causing it. Feb 04 14:35:16 Anything weird installed lately? Feb 04 14:35:23 Tweakr's been known to cause boot loop.s Feb 04 14:35:26 she doesn't install too much Feb 04 14:35:30 psion Feb 04 14:35:30 In 1980, Psion was founded by David Potter. Feb 04 14:35:33 just games really Feb 04 14:35:34 I knew it! Feb 04 14:35:36 Potter! Feb 04 14:35:39 it's a conspiracy! Feb 04 14:35:43 zaheerm: booting with or without the charger? Feb 04 14:36:24 her charger is at home Feb 04 14:36:26 http://s006.radikal.ru/i214/1002/9f/f9b32d26b2ab.png <- Marina Calendar design concept Feb 04 14:36:32 so wiuthout charger Feb 04 14:36:43 youe opinions? :) Feb 04 14:36:48 your* Feb 04 14:36:51 wazd, looks nice Feb 04 14:38:13 wazd: I like that a lot more! Feb 04 14:38:17 I consider giving my SO an N900...when I first got it, I spent a few days playing with it, after she declared "enough!", grabbed it, and declared "my turn!". I evnetually got it back, though.. ;P Feb 04 14:38:31 heh Feb 04 14:39:03 the one thing missus wants is Omweather on her phone (E71), not sure if it is ported to symbian but :) Feb 04 14:39:09 Mine said she didn't like it, and also gave Timeless an ear bashing Feb 04 14:39:47 mine said, why can't linux be more like this on the desktop Feb 04 14:40:03 If I would have given my wife an N900 ... she would say: "Hey, you know I'm not a computer freak and you could rather spend those money to buy me a nice perfume!" Feb 04 14:40:23 lol Feb 04 14:40:27 >:) Feb 04 14:40:38 s/perfume/big diamond/ Feb 04 14:41:06 zaheerm: nah, she's not so much into diamond or jewellery ..... lucky me!!! :-P Feb 04 14:41:11 dazo: Should have done like me, and found someone in the local LUG :) Feb 04 14:41:17 dazo, very lucky ;) Feb 04 14:41:33 tybollt: it's not Feb 04 14:41:38 zaheerm: not sure you get many big diamonds for the cost of an N900 tbh Feb 04 14:42:07 Veggen: heh .... sometimes, I think that thought as well ..... but when I then know I would need to fight over the equipment I buy myself .... no thanks! ;-) Feb 04 14:42:31 lardman, you could probably get a quarter carat or half carat for the price of an n900, but last time i bought a diamond ring was when we got engaged so i don't know Feb 04 14:42:40 that was 7-8 years ago Feb 04 14:43:23 wazd: foreca then? :) Feb 04 14:43:29 diamonds won't get outdated and replaced with newer models in a couple of years though Feb 04 14:43:40 true true! Feb 04 14:43:49 tybollt: there are options on symbian Feb 04 14:43:57 tybollt: accuweather for example Feb 04 14:43:58 wazd: do recommend something :) Feb 04 14:44:05 wazd: will check - ty Feb 04 14:45:21 wazd: wow that beat the living daylights out of om/foreca >:) Feb 04 14:45:28 viukkis, in fact they seem to appreciate in value... Feb 04 14:45:47 OMWeather will soon be ported to Symbian I think - we're switching to Qt right now Feb 04 14:45:57 mind-blowing UI included Feb 04 14:46:23 :) Feb 04 14:46:34 wazd: Will it be anything like accuweatehr I'll be impressed =) Feb 04 14:46:44 (yes... I can haz shiny... =) Feb 04 14:46:51 tybollt: accuweather will look like tetris Feb 04 14:46:57 >:) Feb 04 14:47:25 wazd: So everything "new" is encouraged to be done in QT rather than gtk now? Feb 04 14:47:36 tybollt: everything Feb 04 14:47:44 I see Feb 04 14:47:57 we will rock Feb 04 14:48:41 (developers developers developers) Feb 04 14:48:43 ;P Feb 04 14:51:10 anyone thinking about dual booting symbian on the n900? Feb 04 14:51:11 now that it's open source Feb 04 14:53:10 vmware maybe :) Feb 04 14:53:45 opensource doesn't guarantee support for random cellmo's Feb 04 14:53:46 qemu Feb 04 14:54:23 did they open its archives or just a snapshot+future? Feb 04 14:54:26 tybollt, if you are experienced in gtk and can build the app you need in it, gfi, but if you are just on the fence and are agnostic to language etc, use qt Feb 04 14:56:21 note that Qt is really a bunch of things Feb 04 14:56:42 writing old Qt style apps is unlikely to get you shiny Feb 04 14:56:49 timeless, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8496263.stm Feb 04 14:56:57 echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030\:vibrator/brightness Feb 04 14:57:00 * w00t grins evilly Feb 04 14:57:06 shiny tofay is iirc QPainter + bring your own ui designer Feb 04 14:57:10 that's a trick I didn't know but will find useful Feb 04 14:57:13 since when is symbian open source? Feb 04 14:57:18 since today Feb 04 14:57:20 uhsf: today Feb 04 14:57:49 wow, microb's ui changed Feb 04 14:57:52 that's kinda special news Feb 04 14:57:56 Hello ! Feb 04 14:58:09 timeless, that sounds . . . good? Feb 04 14:58:17 hum ? Feb 04 14:58:19 GeneralAntilles: he said it *changed* Feb 04 14:58:22 not that it *improved* Feb 04 14:58:27 it could easily go either way. Feb 04 14:58:28 :P Feb 04 14:58:39 w00t, I'm always the optimist. Feb 04 14:58:44 uhsf, since 12 PM GMT Feb 04 14:58:51 GeneralAntilles: *g* Feb 04 14:58:53 lol Feb 04 14:59:01 Though I'm continually punished for it, I will persevere! Feb 04 14:59:03 raahaha ... ovi store require a vat number ... grrrr Feb 04 14:59:11 I'm the optimist now that I can make my phone vibrate at will Feb 04 14:59:19 * w00t feels powerful Feb 04 14:59:26 you can give OVI store a VAT number, ah great ! Feb 04 14:59:31 * odin_ rubs hands Feb 04 14:59:43 w00t, the indicator and keyboard LEDs are also controllable. Feb 04 14:59:46 yes Feb 04 14:59:49 I found this out today too Feb 04 14:59:56 i can't as not all type of company have a vat number in france Feb 04 15:00:44 what about Symbian on my Neo Freerunner? Feb 04 15:01:07 gan; the alternative to wow would be 'arg' Feb 04 15:01:14 timeless: oh dear Feb 04 15:01:18 timeless: is it horrible? Feb 04 15:01:25 oh really ... this ovi store is really annoying Feb 04 15:01:40 i ll made my own payment system Feb 04 15:01:49 will be easier i think Feb 04 15:01:57 w00t: minor changes, which i believe are improvements Feb 04 15:02:04 hrrm./ Feb 04 15:02:22 The license for Symbian basically makes it Android. Feb 04 15:02:39 Khertan, seems a lot of people are going that way. Feb 04 15:02:41 Depressing. Feb 04 15:02:58 Depressing and mainly stupid Feb 04 15:03:14 when i look for the first time at the documentation before trying to register Feb 04 15:03:21 they didn't mention n900 ... Feb 04 15:03:48 they mention a list of authorized file ... java thing and signed java things Feb 04 15:03:53 any word about maemo Feb 04 15:03:55 hy everybody Feb 04 15:04:11 Khertan, Ovi Store should really be making it EASY for any developer to get their stuff out there. Feb 04 15:04:15 Instead it's making it HARDER. Feb 04 15:04:25 for me noone can push anything to maemo and things push to store was done manually by someone Feb 04 15:04:27 and Nokia wonders why they're losing ground to Apple and Android. Feb 04 15:05:09 I really wonder why that stupid VAT number is required. Feb 04 15:05:26 Still is - there were at least two threads and one brainstorm about that. Feb 04 15:05:31 specially that vat number isn't a mandatory in all eu country Feb 04 15:05:35 (on TMO that is) Feb 04 15:05:40 Khertan: Yeah. Feb 04 15:05:43 range: brainstorm is an useless things Feb 04 15:05:51 That too. Feb 04 15:06:07 Hilarious EU regulations. Feb 04 15:06:40 * w00t just tweeted @ovibynokia Feb 04 15:06:43 wonder if I'll get a response :) Feb 04 15:06:44 regulations and eu in the same sentence make me things there is something wrong in the sentence Feb 04 15:06:45 GeneralAntilles: Why? If I want to earn a bit of sidemoney from my fart detector application - why should I register a VAT number for that? Feb 04 15:06:58 range, because the EU is anti-business? Feb 04 15:07:11 GeneralAntilles: Hu? Feb 04 15:07:12 (http://twitter.com/w00teh) Feb 04 15:07:14 General ... i ve register a company to do small business Feb 04 15:07:24 no paper ... Just a online declaration Feb 04 15:07:35 GeneralAntilles: VAT is not a requirement Feb 04 15:07:36 easier ... no tva to manage fix tax ... Feb 04 15:07:48 GeneralAntilles: but i didn't have a vat number Feb 04 15:08:00 GeneralAntilles: well, it *is*, but only over a certain revenue Feb 04 15:08:03 GeneralAntilles: not all type of company have a vat number Feb 04 15:08:06 no fosdem khertan? Feb 04 15:08:11 nope Feb 04 15:08:12 :) Feb 04 15:08:18 oh well Feb 04 15:08:32 That seems like a move by Nokia to keep out small developers. Feb 04 15:08:48 bye - see you on fosdem or after Feb 04 15:08:49 it may be quality and accountability control Feb 04 15:08:52 range: hum ... they seems to keep out too large developper :) Feb 04 15:09:06 cu hrw - friday beer night? Feb 04 15:09:10 it's not really nokia Feb 04 15:09:11 pupnik: sure Feb 04 15:09:14 it s more for legality control Feb 04 15:09:20 it's the law makers and lawyers Feb 04 15:09:22 right Feb 04 15:09:39 timeless: hum ... i didn't see the why Feb 04 15:09:55 not predisposed towards freedom Feb 04 15:10:07 timeless, right, which means the EU's anti-business policies are making it easier for US companies to compete. Feb 04 15:10:10 timeless: even if VAT registration is required for *some* entities, it isn't for all, and that should mean that it isn't *required* on the form Feb 04 15:10:40 (or at least a note saying "enter 12345 here if your business is not registered for VAT", if they can't do that for whatever stupid reason of red tape) Feb 04 15:10:57 http://www.francethisway.com/wp/auto-entrepreneur-scheme-in-france/2009/04/ <<< good things ... but no vat number Feb 04 15:10:59 ok, i'm departing terminal 1 Feb 04 15:11:52 GeneralAntilles: EU isn't anti-business ... it s just depends who lobby paid the much deputy Feb 04 15:11:52 gan: the weak usd was helping too Feb 04 15:12:04 but piigs is trying to fix that Feb 04 15:12:14 piigs ? Feb 04 15:12:31 timeless, well, Apple and Google don't require developers to leap Ovi's hurdles to distribute. Feb 04 15:12:35 So clearly something is skewed. Feb 04 15:12:39 portugal, ireland, italy, greece, spain Feb 04 15:13:07 at least that's what bbc world said Feb 04 15:13:07 Khertan, massive tax rates and insane bureaucratic overhead say "anti-business" to me. Feb 04 15:13:33 right, from a quick reading up, you don't *need* to register (in the UK) unless you are earning more than £63,000 a month Feb 04 15:13:40 Oh, that's not EU - EU is better than some of the member countries there. Feb 04 15:13:47 for pretty much every small developer, there is no way in hell that is going to be the case. Feb 04 15:13:55 you *can* voluntarily register Feb 04 15:13:57 w00t, yes thats the VAT threshold Feb 04 15:14:00 but of course that creates more paperwork Feb 04 15:14:03 GeneralAntilles: yeah but for me it s not due to stupid people which are really anti-business but due to stupid corrupted deputies Feb 04 15:14:10 Anyway, whatever, I think we can all agree that Ovi's a bad joke. Feb 04 15:14:27 not a bad joke Feb 04 15:14:36 a bad nightmare? Feb 04 15:14:41 someone should look to see if vat id'd companies can easily do business w/ non id'd co' Feb 04 15:14:57 in the us, everyone needs an ssn/tin for reporting Feb 04 15:15:04 even maids Feb 04 15:15:04 timeless: in that case, I believe they have to invoice the individual, not the business Feb 04 15:15:11 but my knowledge is rusty Feb 04 15:15:13 timeless: vat isn't mandatory ... SIRET is in france Feb 04 15:15:15 so I'd have to actually read up Feb 04 15:15:17 timeless, yes course you can easily do business Feb 04 15:15:37 timeless: Sure they can. I just cannot put any VAT into my invoice then. Feb 04 15:15:56 anyway, the problem should sound familiar Feb 04 15:15:57 oh, I'm speaking on the wrong thing actually, ignore me Feb 04 15:16:10 range: are you a french auto entrepreneur ? Feb 04 15:16:14 No. Feb 04 15:16:29 anyone here remember what qgil and co said about organizing maemo summit? Feb 04 15:16:44 But I sometimes do a little training job besides my normal work. That doesn't earn me enough for getting a VAT id (here in Germany). Feb 04 15:16:48 timeless, no, clue? Feb 04 15:16:54 timeless: that he hope community do it next year ? Feb 04 15:16:55 it's much easier for nokia to give out a lump than to deal w/ individual items Feb 04 15:17:22 the overhead is high Feb 04 15:17:39 timeless, i believe that was wrt hotel rooms and stuffs, last year jaffa lost the rest of his hair trying to work out everything Feb 04 15:17:41 [16:17] it's much easier for nokia to give out a lump than to deal w/ individual items <<< as i said all company didn't have a vat ... Feb 04 15:18:05 I suppose it's their decision what market they want to play in, really, and whether they want to remain relevent for app distribution Feb 04 15:18:10 actually, yesterdat, someone was describe how they saw apple's expenses for the app store Feb 04 15:18:44 and he pointed out that apple was mostly incurring overhead, their profit is still the initial sale Feb 04 15:18:47 w00t, sadly it's also hurting us, their consumers. . . . Feb 04 15:18:57 it might make ovi less profitable as a single entity (though I have to say I'd still think it would be income), but it would bolster them in the market as a whole Feb 04 15:19:09 GeneralAntilles: sure, but thankfully we're in the position where we can do something about it Feb 04 15:19:09 sorry, typing on finnair bus Feb 04 15:19:17 GeneralAntilles: i.e. an alternative app store, for example Feb 04 15:19:27 w00t, wouldn't that be a kick in the pants? Feb 04 15:19:32 make a better app store, please :) Feb 04 15:19:33 maemo.org app store Feb 04 15:19:33 GeneralAntilles: for whom? Feb 04 15:19:37 Nokia Feb 04 15:19:46 Now THAT would be a good joke. Feb 04 15:19:50 GeneralAntilles: probably. but with all seriousness, that's probably going to be the only way it's noticed. Feb 04 15:19:59 so Feb 04 15:20:07 decent place to have dinner in helsinki centre? Feb 04 15:20:17 frals: hey,, sorry i missed opu Feb 04 15:20:22 s/op/yo/ Feb 04 15:20:23 timeless meant: frals: hey,, sorry i missed you Feb 04 15:20:24 frals, they haven't killed you and dumped your body in the river yet? Feb 04 15:20:32 frals: price range? Feb 04 15:20:39 i think the best way is to put app in extra non-free ... and do a registration scheme with a paiement service on your website ... but yes this suck Feb 04 15:20:52 "tonight, we dine in HEL" ... =) Feb 04 15:20:54 we went to a jazz place earlier this week Feb 04 15:21:01 good food, but pricy Feb 04 15:21:12 timeless: nothing to fancy, ~25e per person Feb 04 15:21:12 good if someone else picks up the tab Feb 04 15:21:24 yeah, that was about this Feb 04 15:21:28 existing consumers complaining about a problem isn't a solution, i'm all for a solution, and to that end i'm all for working on the infra for an app store/payment methods/etc (inside or outside maemo.org, though arguably outside is probably a better idea to not direct nokia's ire at maemo.org :)), if others agree there is a need for it Feb 04 15:21:34 frals, do you have the 'stuff' that ask for ? :D Feb 04 15:21:34 not including drinks/desert Feb 04 15:21:45 GeneralAntilles: hopefully i got away... ;D Feb 04 15:21:49 later. arriving @t1 Feb 04 15:22:02 VDVsx: sorry, no luck ;) Feb 04 15:22:07 hehe Feb 04 15:22:26 no deal then ;) Feb 04 15:23:41 * w00t killed the conversation, as usual Feb 04 15:24:02 righto, im off out, never taking the morning flight again :P Feb 04 15:24:35 there for a day? Feb 04 15:24:44 Is there any music player for maemo that would stream music from linux server and allow some tracks to be easily downloaded to allow offline listening? Feb 04 15:25:18 nah going home on saturday actually, but then i met all the people i needed to talk to today, and my "handler" had lots of meetings tomorrow Feb 04 15:25:40 :nod: Feb 04 15:25:54 w00t, If I were you, I would wait bit more, to see if ovi goes anywhere :) Feb 04 15:26:16 well more time for the gf, she doesnt complain (neither do i ;)) Feb 04 15:26:20 laters all o/ Feb 04 15:26:21 w00t, that figure is a year not a month Feb 04 15:26:33 but symbian still has very successful 'external' stores Feb 04 15:26:38 Woo, just got the Noreve N900 case... freakin' lovely! Feb 04 15:26:41 zaheerm: ? Feb 04 15:26:50 zaheerm: oh Feb 04 15:27:02 zaheerm: probably a brainfart on my part Feb 04 15:27:27 I'm early to receive the first call on my new N900. Feb 04 15:27:58 VDVsx: waiting isn't a solution, nor is it an incentive to improve, though - and as GA points out, in the meantime, we're SOL Feb 04 15:28:05 w00t, well, I can see business here, you aren't the only one :D Feb 04 15:28:23 hmm? Feb 04 15:28:57 about the external store^ Feb 04 15:29:10 * w00t nods Feb 04 15:30:21 * VDVsx reads the backlog Feb 04 15:31:26 cu chaps Feb 04 15:31:30 o/ Feb 04 15:34:36 hello all Feb 04 15:34:47 i have a stupid question Feb 04 15:34:59 hi johna Feb 04 15:35:06 just bought the N810 Feb 04 15:35:11 (excited !!!) Feb 04 15:35:36 i wanted to find out the maemo version on the device Feb 04 15:35:49 could not find a good way of doing that Feb 04 15:35:56 johna: read the manual Feb 04 15:36:03 johna: seriously Feb 04 15:36:04 settings-> about produce Feb 04 15:36:10 *product Feb 04 15:36:20 thats the problem...i dont have one :| Feb 04 15:36:46 johna: then listen to VDVsx :) Feb 04 15:37:23 VDVsx: external store? :-o Feb 04 15:37:47 tybollt, OVI alternative Feb 04 15:38:01 johna, it's on the device. Feb 04 15:38:02 VDVsx: ah olrite Feb 04 15:38:47 * tybollt not entirely sure what's wrong w/ ovi store now.. but then I haven't really investigated that :) Feb 04 15:39:20 tybollt, lack of apps, no easy way to publish apps, .. Feb 04 15:39:27 mmh Feb 04 15:39:28 :) Feb 04 15:39:36 (feeling dumb now) Feb 04 15:39:39 thank you Feb 04 15:41:43 anyway in light of the symbian outing... was there anything mentioned on continued maemo support? Feb 04 15:41:53 is nookla heart still in it for the long haul? Feb 04 15:42:41 tybollt, lol, yes. Feb 04 15:42:44 tybollt, dunno, but you can guess that Feb 04 15:42:44 I really doubt they've come this far to piss it away. I see the symbian move more as a sign that they're not just going to let it die into obsolecence. Feb 04 15:42:53 tybollt, Maemo is the flagship platform whether they want to admit it or not. Feb 04 15:42:56 (unfortunate as that may be . . .) Feb 04 15:43:19 w00t, symbian is very far from death ;) Feb 04 15:44:22 VDVsx: let me keep imagining that it is. please? :( Feb 04 15:44:50 eheh Feb 04 15:45:13 GeneralAntilles, btw, you still have the 5800 ? Feb 04 15:46:35 i imagine people in nokia thinking maemo is this little thing on the side, but symbian is where its at Feb 04 15:46:37 VDVsx, yeah. Feb 04 15:47:24 I update the FW a couple of days ago, it's a new device now :) Feb 04 15:47:30 VDVsx, NAM Feb 04 15:47:33 v30 still isn't available. Feb 04 15:47:54 zaheerm: fair thought .... after all, N900 is the first Maemo based mobile phone ... Nokia is primarily about mobile phones when we're talking about consumer electronics .... and most of Nokia's mobile phones are running Symbian Feb 04 15:48:08 GeneralAntilles, same for mine, but I changed the product code, now I'm running v40 Feb 04 15:48:46 biggest change that I've seen so far in a NOK device :) Feb 04 15:48:59 it's usable now :) Feb 04 15:49:39 VDVsx, does s60v5 have that annoying having to select access point stuff when going online with different apps, like s60v3 has? Feb 04 15:50:16 Yes Feb 04 15:50:18 zaheerm, yes, but you can select a default Feb 04 15:50:26 God Symbian's connectivity framework is horrifying Feb 04 15:50:53 VDVsx, default at home should be my wifi, when i'm out should be the 3g connection, at other people's house should be their wifi etc. Feb 04 15:51:00 GeneralAntilles: that's kind of my point... the flagship products... do they care? The money is in bulk and well... the bulk is the cheap (not even symbian) phones, right? :) Feb 04 15:51:04 i mean it should be like maemo's Feb 04 15:51:31 zaheerm, true, perhaps they have some app for that, I don't use it that much Feb 04 15:51:51 it's a 'gift' device Feb 04 15:51:56 :D Feb 04 15:53:49 hi there Feb 04 15:53:51 amigadave, Ping? Feb 04 15:53:59 dneary: pong Feb 04 15:54:10 Hi Mr Docmaster :) Feb 04 15:55:29 amigadave, When you're marking an article for deletion, do you remove all the old content every time? Feb 04 15:55:42 It's weird seeing these empty pages except for the category Feb 04 15:55:45 Hi VDVsx Feb 04 15:55:50 hi dneary Feb 04 15:56:07 dneary: generally i move the content away, but i can leave it if you like Feb 04 15:56:23 i don't think that i have delete rights :) Feb 04 15:56:38 The thing is, there are a lot of redirects which are there, and should stay Feb 04 15:56:44 FOSDEM2008 for example Feb 04 15:57:03 which redirected to FOSDEM 2009? Feb 04 15:57:14 I moved it to "FOSDEM 2008" but at that stage there was already content there, and people had been linking to it from talk, blog posts, etc Feb 04 15:57:21 hello :) Feb 04 15:57:37 FOSDEM 2008 pointed to FOSDEM 2009? That sounds like a problem :) Feb 04 15:57:48 phew, and i thought i was crazy Feb 04 15:57:54 guys, maybe anyone could suggest me which company's memory card i should get ? Feb 04 15:58:02 If something's being deleted then it needs to be deleted, blanking the content doesn't work. Feb 04 15:58:15 dneary, amigadave , btw, great job with the wiki, things are starting to be much more organized and clean :) Feb 04 15:58:25 thanks VDVsx! Feb 04 15:59:04 Thanks VDVsx Feb 04 15:59:15 (no factorial from me) Feb 04 15:59:17 * mikhas opens an Maemo-Wiki-Anti-Deletionists FB group, and GA is *not* welcomed ... Feb 04 15:59:40 But FOSDEM2008 should definitely point to FOSDEM 2008 Feb 04 15:59:43 mikhas, psh, I disabled my Facebook account years ago. Feb 04 16:00:01 VDVsx, I only have Win 7 around here. . . . Feb 04 16:00:12 * w00t blinks Feb 04 16:00:16 * tybollt blinks Feb 04 16:00:31 hand in your geek card at the door, please Feb 04 16:00:32 Er, for dealing with NSU. Feb 04 16:00:35 oh. Feb 04 16:00:36 * VDVsx opens an Anti-FB-group in FB, and GAN is not welcomed Feb 04 16:00:39 that's a tiny bit more acceptable. Feb 04 16:00:54 i.e., as far as Microsoft products go. Feb 04 16:00:56 guys ? :) Feb 04 16:01:22 GeneralAntilles: actually you need to install NSU w/ all the compat bells and whistles IIRC... it's not native to win , is it? Feb 04 16:01:23 w00t, I'm an OS X guy primarily. ;) Feb 04 16:01:25 GeneralAntilles, humm, dunno if it works in that s***, vista is supported I think :) Feb 04 16:01:37 * VDVsx uses a XP VM Feb 04 16:01:40 Ah, right, compat. Feb 04 16:01:45 * GeneralAntilles tries XP SP3. Feb 04 16:01:50 Christ Windows is a pain in the ass. Feb 04 16:01:57 GeneralAntilles++ Feb 04 16:02:20 ga, that would make a great name Feb 04 16:02:24 I haven't had to actively use it in years, though, thank goodness. Feb 04 16:02:36 CWIAPINTA? Feb 04 16:02:43 Ah Feb 04 16:02:48 * dneary understands Feb 04 16:02:58 ga, i meant just Christ Windows Feb 04 16:03:00 First page created was FOSDEM2008 Feb 04 16:03:07 anpr, SanDisk is the best. Feb 04 16:03:13 anpr, but you're going to pay a premium for them. Feb 04 16:03:15 But it was actually at the end of 2008, for FOSDEM 2009 Feb 04 16:03:29 anpr, A-DATA should probably be avoided. Feb 04 16:03:36 So, when I moved FOSDEM2008 to FOSDEM 2008, I then needed to move it to FOSDEM 2009 Feb 04 16:03:51 FOSDEM++ Feb 04 16:04:02 The question is, is there anyone (incorrectly) linking to FOSDEM2008 from a blog link? I don't like making dead links Feb 04 16:04:23 anpr, Transcend is a budget brand I've had good success with. Feb 04 16:04:41 anpr, Kingston is also generally pretty good. Feb 04 16:08:55 If Win 7 doesn't encourage click-through syndrom. . . . Feb 04 16:10:11 amigadave, Google says no Feb 04 16:10:23 I don't know how trustworthy the link: operator is though Feb 04 16:10:31 just witnessed an funny facebook discussion between one of my teachers and a mate who is a student :) Feb 04 16:10:43 the teacher had updated his status: "iWork!" Feb 04 16:10:52 the student had commented: "iHoliday!" Feb 04 16:11:02 and the teacher had replied "uFuck!" x) Feb 04 16:11:23 might only be funny for the ones studying at his classes dno :) Feb 04 16:12:09 dneary: your call, i just found the redirect confusing Feb 04 16:12:22 They're gone now Feb 04 16:12:29 Let's see about getting you delete permissions Feb 04 16:12:46 That is, if you feel up to the responsibility... Feb 04 16:13:00 You have to have a SIM inserted to update? . . . Feb 04 16:13:46 dneary: oooh, yeah Feb 04 16:14:07 Done Feb 04 16:14:30 thanks dneary :) Feb 04 16:14:51 GeneralAntilles, yes, lol Feb 04 16:15:10 I had to insert a old one :P Feb 04 16:15:27 Bleh Feb 04 16:15:48 (for the record we're talking about S60 :) ) Feb 04 16:17:15 s60v5 got renamed to Symbian^1? Feb 04 16:17:37 I think so Feb 04 16:17:41 VDVsx, this whole process is such a pain in the ass. Feb 04 16:17:58 and they are skipping Sumbian^2, it seems Feb 04 16:18:06 *symbian Feb 04 16:18:43 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/500x_hello-kitty-chainsaw.jpg Feb 04 16:19:02 'course GMail isn't freaking working. Feb 04 16:19:18 ahaha, a bit rusty :D Feb 04 16:19:48 that is blood. Feb 04 16:20:10 nokia should skip maemo 6 Feb 04 16:20:11 GeneralAntilles, same here Feb 04 16:20:13 * RST38h is heading hope at this happy chord Feb 04 16:20:26 just put maemo 7 out... Feb 04 16:20:30 lol Feb 04 16:20:33 happy? Feb 04 16:20:44 based in EFL this time :D Feb 04 16:20:45 and then people won't complain that they didn't release it for n900 Feb 04 16:21:04 yah we should so do a countdown.maemo.org with unicorns and ponies Feb 04 16:21:10 ponies! Feb 04 16:21:22 pink ponies :D Feb 04 16:21:27 please, finish language does not have a word for happy, but it has 256 words for vodka ;) Feb 04 16:21:48 tybollt, no ? really ? Feb 04 16:21:53 bullshit Feb 04 16:21:59 * tybollt is just being silly Feb 04 16:21:59 the only word you need for it is kossu Feb 04 16:22:15 :D Feb 04 16:22:17 * VDVsx on tyytyväinen Feb 04 16:22:20 :D Feb 04 16:22:32 google translator probably sucks Feb 04 16:22:44 hngh, n900 rebooted just few minutes after a manual reboot Feb 04 16:22:58 * LOD is back (gone 03:43:02) Feb 04 16:23:11 feels like the browser is the most unstable element of the machine Feb 04 16:23:22 angry birds is a great game Feb 04 16:23:26 I'm looking for a freemantle package for mercurial (hg) but it's not available in the standard sources. Is there any other community source with such dev oriented pkg for freemantle ? Feb 04 16:23:46 hmm have to play this angry birds... everyone is talking about it... Feb 04 16:23:53 aol Feb 04 16:24:05 thus far I've had quite a fun time w/ burger time... man that sent me on a trip down memory lane ;) Feb 04 16:26:37 hmhm, a nice game to port would be world of goo Feb 04 16:26:46 marmoute, try taking the debian package and build it in scratchbox Feb 04 16:26:58 +24+9 Feb 04 16:26:59 . Feb 04 16:27:09 s/freemantle/fremantle/g Feb 04 16:27:31 * VDVsx suspects that Myrtti is tricking us, since translator doesn't find kossu :D Feb 04 16:28:00 VDVsx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koskenkorva Feb 04 16:28:27 zaheerm: waht about my subquestion: is all mameos communauty / dev oriented sources included by default or should I add them ? Feb 04 16:29:01 Myrtti, ah, I thought it was a word for happy not for vodka :D Feb 04 16:29:10 VDVsx, we really need 30MB of JAR shit to change product code? . . . Feb 04 16:29:18 okay wtf: I have to sign up for ovi.com in order to download a free game? Feb 04 16:29:26 GeneralAntilles, no Feb 04 16:29:32 mgedmin: create a fake user Feb 04 16:29:37 GeneralAntilles, 1 sec Feb 04 16:29:49 marmoute, the QAd ones are included by default as of the last firmware update Feb 04 16:29:59 QAd ? Feb 04 16:30:16 the ones that have ghone through quality assurance Feb 04 16:30:39 GeneralAntilles, http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?t=334603 Feb 04 16:30:58 make sure to choose a product code for NAM and your device colour Feb 04 16:31:01 VDVsx, that's the one I'm following. Feb 04 16:31:41 where's the JAR :D Feb 04 16:31:50 that worked fine for me Feb 04 16:32:13 I select a product code of a debranded PT version :D Feb 04 16:35:17 hi, could someone tell me the ideal video size and encoding for the n900 ? Feb 04 16:35:52 800x480 mpeg4 video Feb 04 16:36:09 i could be wrong however :) Feb 04 16:36:38 VDVsx, don't think this shit works on Win7. Feb 04 16:37:15 dunno, it works in vista according to the page Feb 04 16:37:36 zaheerm: thanks Feb 04 16:37:38 I used my XP VM :D Feb 04 16:39:25 VDVsx, dun have one of those. Feb 04 16:41:02 * satmd is being offered an update to the current maemo5 ... but when installing, it complains about not enough space on the target location Feb 04 16:45:24 satmd: what are you running currently? 42-11? Feb 04 16:46:09 satmd: if so (which I assume :P), the update requires around 40-50mb free space on rootfs iirc Feb 04 16:46:27 I couldn't apply it with 57 MB free. Feb 04 16:46:50 (not that it failed, it refused to even start) Feb 04 16:47:04 45MB should be the number Feb 04 16:47:26 If that's true, then it's not the only requirement. Feb 04 16:47:51 hmm, I wonder why MADDE doesn't like my base64 icon code Feb 04 16:47:53 either that or the universe just hates you Feb 04 16:47:59 * satmd found a wiki note Feb 04 16:48:13 C:\MADDE\0.5\madbin\dpkg-source: error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 15: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) Feb 04 16:49:41 anyone here use the n900 as a voip/data only phone? without any calling plan? Feb 04 16:49:42 serfit won't start if you have conflicting packages Feb 04 16:50:00 IcanCU, I, kinda, only I hardly ever use voip either Feb 04 16:50:19 and in theory my SIM card supports phone calls, at some kind of unreasonably high rates Feb 04 16:50:21 how reliable is it as a voip phone? Feb 04 16:50:38 I dunno Feb 04 16:50:40 skype works Feb 04 16:50:44 i tried to use the e71 as a voip phone but that didn't work out well Feb 04 16:50:53 lots of time no connection Feb 04 16:51:26 skype, gtalk and sip work fine here on wifi, skype and gtalk work over 3g but ymmv Feb 04 16:51:36 hmm ok Feb 04 16:51:46 voip isn't quite there yet i guess Feb 04 16:51:50 connectivity and calling land lines (outside of US) can cost more than just making phonecalls on a contract with gsm Feb 04 16:52:31 you can get pay as you go sim with rolling data bundle for about £7.50 a month which will give you almost 99% coverage in the UK on O2 (2G) Feb 04 16:52:42 3G O2 aren't that good, but they cover where I go Feb 04 16:52:47 O2 makes me weep Feb 04 16:53:00 i just switched from o2 to voda Feb 04 16:53:09 waiting for my sim to arrive Feb 04 16:53:15 I've said this before, and I'll say it again. They're idiots. Feb 04 16:54:02 BT OpenZone is expensive, t-mobile is expensive, Airport wireless is expensive, home broadband costs money. And if calling somebody who isn't on sip/gtalk/skype it's expensive Feb 04 16:54:03 they haven't realised that if they won't ship to abroad, they can check that information from the shipping address. Feb 04 16:54:16 basically voip is pointless until the UK turns in to America Feb 04 16:54:32 Damion2, define turns into america Feb 04 16:54:32 instead, the block all ips outside UK from accessing shop.o2.co.uk Feb 04 16:54:40 woo! great solution Feb 04 16:54:51 * Myrtti goes to rant elsewhere Feb 04 16:55:28 Damion2: isn't home broadband something you have anyways? Feb 04 16:56:52 heh playing arounf with spotlighFS Feb 04 16:56:59 pretty nice Feb 04 17:01:02 anyone managed to get ekiga.net SIP account setup properly on N900? Feb 04 17:02:04 "Server not responding" Feb 04 17:02:12 I'm recalling all of the numerous reasons I hate this stupid 5800. Feb 04 17:02:35 koala_man: well yes, but I also have a landline if I'm at home Feb 04 17:02:53 weird Feb 04 17:02:59 ubifs was developed specifically for maemo? cool, I didn't know that Feb 04 17:03:58 dazo, nope, I keep getting "unable to connect" Feb 04 17:04:13 then again I don't know if my ekiga.net account is still valid as I haven't used it for ages Feb 04 17:04:14 koala_man: it;s not plugged in unless I need to ring an 0800 number or something, but still, I'm at home on a bb connection which costs money, I'm just saying voip isn't more useful to me than just making a gsm call, seeing as I have 200minutes free Feb 04 17:04:16 mgedmin: me too ... haven't figured out the right "magic" yet Feb 04 17:05:01 zaheerm: calls are free in the USA as I understand it, but they;re like 5p a minute in the uk. This affects voip calls to numbers which cost about 5-10p a minute in the UK but are free in the states Feb 04 17:06:06 seriously, anybody help please? :) Feb 04 17:07:04 Damion2, you reallyw ant to pay to receive calls in uk? Feb 04 17:07:22 wazd, pastebin your debian/source and the error report again Feb 04 17:07:39 Damion2, and there are packages that give you free calls throughout uk daytime and evening Feb 04 17:08:04 lcuk: C:\MADDE\0.5\madbin\dpkg-source: error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 18: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) Feb 04 17:08:29 debiam/control sorry Feb 04 17:09:02 and is the debian folder constructed by you, or generated by theme designer Feb 04 17:09:32 lcuk: http://pastebin.com/m505e8e65 Feb 04 17:09:38 If there is a program (cli) which works flawlessly with the debian armel deb. How quickly could it get into testing? Feb 04 17:10:54 wazd Feb 04 17:11:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package Feb 04 17:11:08 step 4 - adding a space before every line Feb 04 17:11:14 so it doesnt think the section is finished Feb 04 17:11:21 is the bit it looks like you have forgotten Feb 04 17:11:31 oh Feb 04 17:11:39 derp :) Feb 04 17:11:40 also, I don't think it'll like the empty line 13 Feb 04 17:11:48 or will it? Feb 04 17:11:49 no clue Feb 04 17:12:11 hey mgedmin :) Feb 04 17:12:12 I've only seen empty lines in debian/control files that separated the Source: from the binary Package: sections Feb 04 17:13:59 Ah, the familiar feel of Symbian rage. Feb 04 17:14:10 I dunno how anybody can use this piece of shit platform and call it better than Maemo. Feb 04 17:14:12 NOTHING works. Feb 04 17:14:52 hey lcuk Feb 04 17:15:17 added spaces - still the same Feb 04 17:16:04 * GeneralAntilles puts his SIM back in his N900 and tries to stop thinking about murdering everyone in Finland. Feb 04 17:16:19 aw fuck :) Feb 04 17:16:28 my bad Feb 04 17:16:39 GeneralAntilles: why keeping the 5800 anyway? Feb 04 17:16:56 Corsac, backup phone, I suppose. Feb 04 17:17:01 Too lazy to try to sell it. Feb 04 17:17:24 It's been sitting in a drawer since last September Feb 04 17:17:42 yeah, like my se v600i Feb 04 17:17:54 VDVsx said that 40v was interesting, so I've wasted the last hour vainly trying to install it. Feb 04 17:18:00 because I forgot to give it to the store I bought my n900 to Feb 04 17:18:15 With basically the same results as the last 4 or 5 times I've tried updating the damn thing. Feb 04 17:18:23 GeneralAntilles: maybe I should try to install it on the SE? :) Feb 04 17:19:07 ok, now another error :) Feb 04 17:19:16 C:\MADDE\0.5\madbin\dpkg-source: error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 74: block lacks a package field Feb 04 17:19:32 that'll be the empty line 13 I warned you against, wazd Feb 04 17:19:35 and people wonder why Nokia doesn't sell shit in the US when their NAM updates are 6 months behind the rest of the world, they don't provide OTA updates and their support sucks. Feb 04 17:19:39 or is it "warned you about" Feb 04 17:19:45 me English go bad all sudden-like Feb 04 17:20:10 NAM is probably North America, but what's OTA? Feb 04 17:20:12 mgedmin, did you forewarn him? Feb 04 17:20:20 Over the Air Feb 04 17:20:21 SSU Feb 04 17:20:31 GeneralAntilles: the fail in your sentence is located at the "the US" part Feb 04 17:20:35 mgedmin: no, that's not the empty line, that's the "pretty name" Feb 04 17:20:47 it's the US. That's why everything is 6 months behind. Feb 04 17:20:54 XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name Feb 04 17:21:00 Myrtti, no other competitor has these problems. :) Feb 04 17:21:08 Myrtti, it's just Nokia. :) Feb 04 17:21:23 wazd, line 13 in http://pastebin.com/m505e8e65 is blank Feb 04 17:21:37 it splits your Package section in two, the second one lacking a Package: field Feb 04 17:21:47 your error is about a section without a Package field Feb 04 17:21:59 mgedmin: oooh Feb 04 17:22:04 mgedmin: now I see :) Feb 04 17:22:24 wee :) Feb 04 17:22:47 mgedmin: thx :) Feb 04 17:23:18 so what about those cool batteries some company wanted to release for n900? Feb 04 17:24:04 Everybody who want to test new Marina with calendar and stuff say "Ai" :) Feb 04 17:24:13 yes Feb 04 17:24:18 Ai Feb 04 17:24:20 ;) Feb 04 17:24:51 zaheerm: package will be ready in a minute (I hope) Feb 04 17:25:29 either i'm stupid or... Feb 04 17:25:33 GeneralAntilles, it is worse when it is carrier branded product codes Feb 04 17:25:53 how i switch kb layout when performing location search in nokia maps? Feb 04 17:26:04 zaheerm, that's the customer's fault for buying a locked device. Feb 04 17:26:20 I bought an unlocked device, I think it's fairly reasonable to expect a certain level of support. Feb 04 17:26:28 Nokia has failed utterly in delivering it. Feb 04 17:27:43 slonopotamus, I never do that (switch kb layouts), but I heard something about Ctrl+space Feb 04 17:28:22 ~ping Feb 04 17:28:23 ~pong Feb 04 17:29:00 mgedmin, well, it usually works that way. not in maps though. Feb 04 17:29:13 maybe a bug? Feb 04 17:29:17 ... Feb 04 17:29:51 doesn't finnish use non-ascii letters? :) Feb 04 17:30:03 Ovi Maps is one giant bug. Feb 04 17:30:28 and how i reorder waypoints :) Feb 04 17:31:20 ovi maps has waypoints? Feb 04 17:31:26 clearly I spent too little time using it Feb 04 17:31:42 on further consideration, "too little" does not apply for Ovi Maps Feb 04 17:32:26 is the Ogg suport person around ? Feb 04 17:32:45 ~ping Feb 04 17:32:46 ~pong Feb 04 17:33:13 Tester, that kulve , I guess :) Feb 04 17:33:18 *that's Feb 04 17:33:32 xchat is really slow at catching up after phone call when connected with 3g :( Feb 04 17:33:37 kulve: Any reason speexenc/dec are not there in the maemo5 version ? Feb 04 17:33:55 kulve: for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8609 Feb 04 17:33:57 Bug 8609: speex codec is ignored for SIP calls Feb 04 17:34:17 mgedmin, err... you can create routes, you know :) though it doesn't recalc them if you go off route. Feb 04 17:35:15 Hey, look, more bug #5357 dupes! Feb 04 17:35:17 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# Feb 04 17:35:38 yay Feb 04 17:35:51 GeneralAntilles, and there will be even more until it is fixed Feb 04 17:36:00 slonopotamus, it is fixed. Feb 04 17:36:13 ... Feb 04 17:36:15 slonopotamus, s/until it is fixed/until the fix is released Feb 04 17:37:25 andre41, meh. user doesn't care if someone fixed something somewhere. the only thing that matters is whether it works for him. Feb 04 17:37:37 slonopotamus, users don't belong on Bugzilla. Feb 04 17:37:46 When you start filing bugs, you go beyond being a user. Feb 04 17:37:54 ...... Feb 04 17:38:19 you know, user is the one who uses. Feb 04 17:38:34 slonopotamus, yeah. as explained in talk.maemo.org for "users" Feb 04 17:38:49 Whatever, another stupid Bugzilla argument isn't going to get us anywhere productive. Feb 04 17:38:52 and there is a link next to "Resolution FIXED" explaining what resolutions mean Feb 04 17:39:28 When you start filing bugs, you go beyond being a user. <<< NO Feb 04 17:39:34 andre41, i heard bugzie had problems finding closed tickets, didn't it? :) Feb 04 17:39:39 lcuk, you do. Feb 04 17:39:54 everyone: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.06/ Feb 04 17:39:57 oh, a dictionary flame, how fun Feb 04 17:40:23 Tester: speex is provided by nokia, so I don't provide anything related to it Feb 04 17:40:29 slonopotamus, hmm? Feb 04 17:40:29 please test and if you don't mind - some calendar screenshots would be great Feb 04 17:40:36 kulve: its not Feb 04 17:40:50 * slonopotamus came across ussd-widget and became a bit happier. Feb 04 17:40:52 kulve: not in maemo5 Feb 04 17:40:54 Tester: speex codec is provided by nokia. Some tools may not be Feb 04 17:41:00 ..in maemo 5 Feb 04 17:41:09 GeneralAntilles, bugs are reported all the time by users. what do they become in your eyes? Feb 04 17:41:17 hi Feb 04 17:41:28 kulve: I meant the gst element Feb 04 17:41:31 lcuk, they become advanced users :) Feb 04 17:41:46 lcuk, the responsibility level is different when you start filing in bugzilla. Feb 04 17:41:58 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# gst-inspect|grep speex Feb 04 17:42:00 speex: speexenc: Speex audio encoder Feb 04 17:42:01 speex: speexdec: Speex audio decoder Feb 04 17:42:01 I only see libspeexdsp Feb 04 17:42:06 kulve: which pkg is it ? Feb 04 17:42:11 the users who report bugs are like people who report crimes Feb 04 17:42:16 it doesnt make them any different Feb 04 17:42:26 kulve: ah you're using 42-11.. its not there in 51-1 Feb 04 17:42:28 gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so Feb 04 17:42:29 lcuk, when they're using Bugzilla it does. Feb 04 17:42:36 lcuk, I'm not talking about generic bug reporting on Talk. Feb 04 17:42:42 Tester: I'm using the latest release. The prompt just haven't upgraded Feb 04 17:42:47 zaheerm: ^ :) Feb 04 17:43:00 arg in extra Feb 04 17:43:11 Tester: that should be installed by default Feb 04 17:43:13 Anyway, this horse really couldn't be any more pulverized. Feb 04 17:43:18 maybe the "extra decoders" package should depend on good-extra then Feb 04 17:43:39 wazd, downloading Feb 04 17:44:12 zaheerm: cool :) Feb 04 17:44:26 GeneralAntilles, whatever :) that's all irrelevant. users don't have a fix -> it isn't fixed for them. Feb 04 17:44:38 slonopotamus, relevant to Talk Feb 04 17:44:43 slonopotamus, not relevant to Bugzilla. Feb 04 17:46:37 GeneralAntilles, had any luck with the 5800 ? Feb 04 17:47:15 wazd, calendar looks good Feb 04 17:47:35 wazd, ah you have a pretty name now :) Feb 04 17:47:47 wazd, you should that care of the description as well Feb 04 17:47:56 VDVsx: sure, thanks for the advice :) Feb 04 17:48:17 ~ping Feb 04 17:48:18 ~pong Feb 04 17:48:30 zaheerm: shots? :) Feb 04 17:48:35 infobot, roger that Feb 04 17:48:36 Bend over, that and take it like a man! Feb 04 17:49:32 wazd, the rules are simple, short description can't have the app name nor a ending dot, long description can have anything (expect insults to a nice guy like VDVsx ;)) Feb 04 17:50:03 that valerio is a tosser tho ;) Feb 04 17:50:33 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4330029621/ Feb 04 17:51:43 * VDVsx kicks lcuk and hits him with a piano!! Feb 04 17:52:05 wazd, week view is nice too Feb 04 17:52:59 I've found a bug! bwahahah! Feb 04 17:53:57 wazd, sent you week view shot by email Feb 04 17:54:26 zaheerm: got it, thanks Feb 04 17:55:04 VDVsx, not a lick. Feb 04 17:55:16 VDVsx, complaining about "Server no responding" so I put it back in the drawer. Feb 04 17:55:53 GeneralAntilles, strange Feb 04 17:55:55 oooh Feb 04 17:56:04 VDVsx, US + Nokia? Not really. ;) Feb 04 17:56:09 I thought there's a gap between week days Feb 04 17:56:21 GeneralAntilles, ehehe Feb 04 17:56:22 but since it's not I can make it even cooler :) Feb 04 17:56:31 wazd, there is Feb 04 17:56:46 zaheerm: right now - yes, but actually no :) Feb 04 17:56:57 aaah ok ;) Feb 04 17:57:13 wazd: got paypal? :P you definitely need some donation to get own n900 imo :) Feb 04 17:57:16 zaheerm: can you send me some complex agenda view please? Feb 04 17:57:25 wazd: yeah I was surprised to when thursday cam right after sunday... weird... or it was that bong I smoked? Feb 04 17:57:30 too* Feb 04 17:57:47 can I influence wether the internal mmc or the sd card is shared through usb? Feb 04 17:57:59 ifreq: I can't use PayPal here, so no Feb 04 17:58:09 ah dang :P Feb 04 17:58:11 wazd, agenda view has bugs! Feb 04 17:58:18 :-) Feb 04 17:58:22 zaheerm: that's why I asked :D Feb 04 17:58:31 wazd, you need a bank account in Switzerland ;) Feb 04 17:58:42 yeah or friend in nokia :P Feb 04 17:58:48 or in some strange Island Feb 04 17:58:56 xmas islands Feb 04 17:59:00 Test Feb 04 17:59:01 eastern islands Feb 04 17:59:02 *g* Feb 04 17:59:11 BabelO_N900: test accepted, please continue. Feb 04 17:59:20 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4330045525/sizes/o/ Feb 04 17:59:31 ifreq: no test if pymucl is bad Feb 04 17:59:32 * VDVsx search for the best place for off-shore accounts :D Feb 04 17:59:33 refused Feb 04 17:59:35 zaheerm: what's that blue row on the left on the week view? Feb 04 17:59:52 VDVsx: im sure Matthew- knows a few Feb 04 17:59:57 wosh Feb 04 18:00:16 wazd, blue row? Feb 04 18:00:17 zaheerm: derp :D Feb 04 18:00:33 zaheerm: above "all day" Feb 04 18:01:22 wazd, no idea, i see it currently between all day and 18:00 Feb 04 18:01:37 wazd, but in screenshot i sent you it is above all day Feb 04 18:01:48 ifreq, Cayman Islands seems a good place ;) Feb 04 18:01:55 oki Feb 04 18:02:55 wazd, found a bug in week view Feb 04 18:03:01 zaheerm: m? Feb 04 18:03:02 wazd, check your email Feb 04 18:03:47 see those blue squares on corners of a grey box Feb 04 18:04:02 Hi Feb 04 18:04:06 hi Feb 04 18:04:06 they appear after i touch those squares and then don't add an event Feb 04 18:04:18 they don't disappear Feb 04 18:04:26 O_o Feb 04 18:04:28 JamieBennett: ping Feb 04 18:06:00 stupid me.. Feb 04 18:06:16 aaahh forget about it :D Feb 04 18:11:04 wazd, the desktop wheel, where you can change the themes/backgrounds, .. still has a bug, but you should be aware of that Feb 04 18:11:46 VDVsx, the settings themes has bug too? Feb 04 18:11:52 is it a bad idea to allow ssh'ing as user? Feb 04 18:12:01 btw is it possible to make animated background, like gifs? Feb 04 18:12:31 zaheerm, settings themes ? settings app/view ? Feb 04 18:13:00 VDVsx: WONTFIXDIE!!!! Feb 04 18:13:03 VDVsx: :D Feb 04 18:13:14 kthxplz Feb 04 18:13:21 wazd, fixed in Inverna ? Feb 04 18:13:23 :D Feb 04 18:13:44 wazd, if you need a screenshot feel free to ask :) Feb 04 18:13:44 hmhm, I kind-of miss a way to associate applications to a desktop (like std window managers) Feb 04 18:16:25 err... how i search emails in modest and select all found results? :) Feb 04 18:16:58 you don't? Feb 04 18:17:20 Corsac, i don't see neither search button nor select all. Feb 04 18:17:45 my point Feb 04 18:17:54 oh Feb 04 18:17:58 i don't Feb 04 18:18:47 * slonopotamus fails to understand the reasoning behind writing maemo apps from scratch that lack even basic functionality. Feb 04 18:19:08 hmm.. extras-assistant tells me that I will receive an email when a package is finished. I've yet to recieve any email eventhough the packages have gone through nicely. Is there some setting I've disabled or is it just how it is? Feb 04 18:19:29 slonopotamus, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 ? Feb 04 18:19:30 Bug 5502: No search for emails available Feb 04 18:20:44 andre41, yep. and no 'select all' Feb 04 18:21:10 * VDVsx wonders which email app will be in maemo6 Feb 04 18:22:06 VDVsx, QtModest ? Feb 04 18:22:14 hiihih Feb 04 18:22:44 VDVsx, everything in Maemo 6 is going to be the same as Maemo 5 Feb 04 18:22:51 Just with qt in front. Feb 04 18:22:58 qt-modest, qt-microb, qt-gtk, etc. Feb 04 18:23:00 I'm not familiar with Modest code, but it should be heavily GTK based Feb 04 18:23:03 it going to be cute Feb 04 18:23:12 ah.. one hour nap - just what i needed Feb 04 18:23:31 really confusing to irc from my shell which is in sweden, then watch the telly and its +1hr :P Feb 04 18:23:45 GeneralAntilles, I really have doubts about modest Feb 04 18:23:53 VDVsx, I have doubts about Maemo 6. Feb 04 18:24:05 qt-microb should be easy :) Feb 04 18:24:11 andre41, voted. Feb 04 18:24:15 is it normal that my device is not answering pings if I'm not using network with browser? Feb 04 18:24:23 I'm excited for qt-gtk. Feb 04 18:24:30 :D Feb 04 18:24:43 GeneralAntilles, Qt supports GLIB so.. ;) Feb 04 18:25:04 the other way around will be more tricky Feb 04 18:25:18 if you believe nokia, qt makes tea for you too... Feb 04 18:25:38 zaheerm, makes coffee at least Feb 04 18:25:57 i'll file an enhancement request Feb 04 18:26:08 complain in maemo 6 subforum Feb 04 18:26:22 and tweet it too ;) Feb 04 18:26:42 * RST38h moos at VDVsx thoughtfully Feb 04 18:26:52 VDVsx, Modest is definitely heavily GTK based. Draw your conclusions. Feb 04 18:27:29 zaheerm, about what ? :D Feb 04 18:28:12 lack of tea Feb 04 18:28:13 Dassu, side effects of wifi powersavings Feb 04 18:28:19 zaheerm, http://twitpic.com/l8yzz <- Qt powered coffee machine Feb 04 18:28:23 andre41: Alas, even if it is killed for Harmattan, the libcamel will live on Feb 04 18:28:25 zaheerm, sounds fair Feb 04 18:28:33 * VDVsx moos back at RST38h :) Feb 04 18:28:42 andre41: and the most serious fuckups are in libcamel Feb 04 18:29:09 libcamel or tinymail? :-P Feb 04 18:29:31 maybe tinymail, that backend thing Feb 04 18:29:38 RST38h, is that closed source ? Feb 04 18:29:52 nah Feb 04 18:29:55 tinymail is open Feb 04 18:29:56 andre41: Actually, probably both Feb 04 18:30:03 and libcamel too Feb 04 18:30:08 andre41, no the camel lib :D Feb 04 18:30:10 andre41: because background email checks appear to be handled by libcamel Feb 04 18:30:10 ah cool Feb 04 18:30:18 VDVsx: They are all open source Feb 04 18:30:28 * VDVsx searchs for libcamel repo Feb 04 18:30:34 VDVsx: The problem is, they appear to be kinda garbage =( Feb 04 18:31:21 will maemo participte in soc 2010 ? Feb 04 18:31:24 RST38h, not Nokia fault it seems Feb 04 18:31:30 VDVsx, it is in gnome git in evolution-data-server Feb 04 18:31:34 spsneo, seesm to be the plan. Feb 04 18:31:43 spsneo, probably, if google choose us :) Feb 04 18:31:53 GeneralAntilles: is there any list of project ideas? Feb 04 18:31:58 VDVsx: ^^ Feb 04 18:32:04 spsneo, no yet Feb 04 18:32:07 VDVsx: Well, does not really matter whose fault it is, it's not like I am in the market for scapegoats Feb 04 18:32:13 VDVsx: ok Feb 04 18:32:22 spsneo, blame me, I'll start the discussion next week Feb 04 18:32:28 RST38h, it is nokia's fault, if there was a problem they should have fixed it upstream :) Feb 04 18:32:52 VDVsx: What matter though is that it is unusable for pop3 and kinda awkward for imap, even after all the fixes Feb 04 18:32:53 RST38h zaheerm , true, Feb 04 18:33:28 * VDVsx doesn't use modest, so never suffered those issues :D Feb 04 18:33:48 * RST38h probably hopes for too much Feb 04 18:34:06 I never used it :D Feb 04 18:34:17 that's the true Feb 04 18:34:50 spsneo, 2009 info here: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 Feb 04 18:35:20 the projects will be a little bit more user oriented this year, at least is my intention Feb 04 18:37:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsN6NOhWkxM omg, this is hilarious :) Feb 04 18:40:14 are there any instructions out there on getting the n900 tethered via usb (running ubuntu on the pc)? Feb 04 18:40:28 autarch, mmm? Feb 04 18:40:37 I could be interested of those instructions too Feb 04 18:40:37 in ubuntu it works naturally with usb Feb 04 18:40:46 on 9.10? Feb 04 18:40:54 well thats what ive got Feb 04 18:41:02 define "naturally"? Feb 04 18:41:02 Plug n go? Feb 04 18:41:08 for me yeah Feb 04 18:41:13 just a mo ill confirm Feb 04 18:41:17 Okay, thanks. I dont have self tested it out. Feb 04 18:41:26 oh crap im in middle of somefink Feb 04 18:41:37 just plug in and select pc suite mode afaik Feb 04 18:41:47 then it shows up as a connection in networks Feb 04 18:41:56 I think you plug it on pc and select "use phone as internet modem" or sumthing Feb 04 18:42:05 oh, okay. Feb 04 18:42:06 pc doesnt need to select anything Feb 04 18:42:09 well Feb 04 18:42:12 yours might Feb 04 18:42:33 oh, I didn't even think it would be this easy Feb 04 18:42:34 duh Feb 04 18:42:49 network manager just sees it when you connect in pc suite mode Feb 04 18:42:58 heading into the heart of the beast Feb 04 18:43:25 linux has gotten amazingly dwim these days Feb 04 18:43:34 * GeneralAntilles gives pupnik a harpoon gun. Feb 04 18:43:43 I'm often surprised that I don't have to install 10 packages, tweak some config files, restart some daemons, etc Feb 04 18:44:41 mmm.. domino cookies <3 Feb 04 18:45:29 Yeah, ubuntu have been good of these things Feb 04 18:45:32 lately. Feb 04 18:45:52 this seemed cutting edge enough that I expected a hassle Feb 04 18:46:56 btw, can anybody please show me the screen with titlebar menu arrow? Feb 04 18:47:17 or just say is it here with 1.06 or not? Feb 04 18:47:21 there* Feb 04 18:49:34 wtb mute-external-speakers-only option Feb 04 18:55:01 http://revision3.com/landlinetv/penisscanners Feb 04 19:02:51 wazd, in Marina, not there Feb 04 19:03:34 VDVsx: derp Feb 04 19:06:49 then I don't know how to do it :( Feb 04 19:09:21 How do I select text to copy and paste in the web browser on an N900? Feb 04 19:09:36 wazd, konttori should know, I guess Feb 04 19:10:05 ScribbleJ, ctrl+c and ctrl+v Feb 04 19:10:48 hello Feb 04 19:10:59 VDV, that doesn't help... how do I /select/ the text to use CTRL-C on? Feb 04 19:11:02 ScribbleJ, there's also a menu option for that Feb 04 19:11:09 ScribbleJ: READ THE MANUAL Feb 04 19:11:13 ScribbleJ: caps( Feb 04 19:11:21 ScribbleJ, enable the mouse cursor Feb 04 19:11:30 ScribbleJ: of just flick the finger from the left edge of the screen Feb 04 19:11:42 Thanks. Feb 04 19:11:43 maybe double tap and on second tap hold and drag to select text Feb 04 19:11:52 but then read the manual Feb 04 19:12:16 I skimmed through the manual when I got it, haven't had time to go back to it. You want me to read an entire book to answer one question? I love reading but that is silly. Feb 04 19:12:47 Thank you guys for giving me the answer though. Feb 04 19:12:54 ScribbleJ: no, just navigate to "browser" and read 1 page :) Feb 04 19:13:05 ScribbleJ: that usually helps :) Feb 04 19:13:08 What? Feb 04 19:13:14 You can search a book without using google? Feb 04 19:13:22 I'm not sure I believe this. Feb 04 19:13:25 ScribbleJ, http://maemo.nokia.com/features/maemo-browser/gestures/ Feb 04 19:13:31 ScribbleJ: oh, nm Feb 04 19:13:37 Heh Feb 04 19:14:07 Seriously, OK, it's my fault for not reading better, I suppose. Thanks. Feb 04 19:14:27 zaheerm: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.07/ Feb 04 19:14:39 zaheerm: all calendar bugs should be fixed Feb 04 19:14:57 ScribbleJ, np, but take a look what that site ^ and the videos, you should find new features :) Feb 04 19:15:12 to be honest, why are we directing people to marketing site as a RTFM ? Feb 04 19:15:40 lcuk: I'm directing to the manual as RTFM :F Feb 04 19:15:41 simple and easier Feb 04 19:15:49 ScribbleJ, also: http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam Feb 04 19:17:02 wazd: promote to testing! Feb 04 19:17:21 oh wait, need to promote to extras first... Feb 04 19:17:34 RST38h: well, I'm tired of promoting each version to testing :) Feb 04 19:17:47 * VDVsx updates marina :) Feb 04 19:17:56 wazd: twue. Feb 04 19:18:02 hey RST38h Feb 04 19:18:09 moo lcuk, how are things? Feb 04 19:18:32 tiring :) Feb 04 19:18:37 that time has come again, time for a reflash! :-) Feb 04 19:18:45 * lcuk has been learning lots of things recently Feb 04 19:19:09 VDVsx: calendar screenshots please :) Feb 04 19:19:49 wazd, calporn? Feb 04 19:24:15 lcuk: you knew it :D Feb 04 19:24:45 heh Feb 04 19:25:09 wazd, how does it feel then to be a developer now? Feb 04 19:25:36 wazd, you dropped the blue bar (in the week days) ? Feb 04 19:25:42 lcuk: no difference form previous 2 years :) Feb 04 19:25:54 VDVsx: what bar? Feb 04 19:25:56 * lcuk nods Feb 04 19:26:16 VDVsx: shots, shots Feb 04 19:26:21 wazd, 1 sec Feb 04 19:26:22 VDVsx: I'm blind :) Feb 04 19:26:41 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330206147/ Feb 04 19:26:59 from the other views as well ? Feb 04 19:27:16 VDVsx: login Feb 04 19:27:26 wazd, bahh Feb 04 19:27:30 VDVsx: :P Feb 04 19:28:05 wazd, updating now Feb 04 19:28:58 wazd, done Feb 04 19:28:59 lcuk: I've just set up theme developing environment in my head, now I know how everything will look without device, so I can release v1.0 themes without betas :) Feb 04 19:29:31 * RST38h looks at wazd inquiringly, holding NeXT box in his hands Feb 04 19:29:34 thats unpossible. you are beta testing now Feb 04 19:29:39 wazd, agenda looks good now Feb 04 19:29:50 time for me to go out Feb 04 19:30:06 zaheerm: shooot please :) Feb 04 19:32:00 wazd, mine is public now :D Feb 04 19:32:23 VDVsx: yep, so what blue bar? :) Feb 04 19:32:58 wazd, in the week days Feb 04 19:33:04 is less blue now :D Feb 04 19:33:22 VDVsx: ah, yep Feb 04 19:33:53 VDVsx: actually it changes its color depending on current month Feb 04 19:34:01 VDVsx: set july for example Feb 04 19:34:03 daily ussd bug duplicates come at pretty stable rate Feb 04 19:34:04 humm Feb 04 19:34:23 zaheerm: thx Feb 04 19:34:23 wazd, cool :) Feb 04 19:34:44 July should be red, freaking hot :D Feb 04 19:34:53 or orange :D Feb 04 19:35:08 zaheerm: hmmm Feb 04 19:35:23 Arkenoi, its the most frequently requested isnt it Feb 04 19:35:25 zaheerm: that doesn't look like my images for agenda Feb 04 19:36:25 VDVsx: can you post week shot too please? Feb 04 19:36:35 my n900 should arrive tomorrow. im pumped =) Feb 04 19:36:39 wazd, sure Feb 04 19:36:47 dracflamloc: becare of the usb port on the n900 Feb 04 19:36:53 mine broke when i was unplugging it Feb 04 19:37:01 yea ive been reading about that Feb 04 19:37:03 pretty lame Feb 04 19:37:06 yeah Feb 04 19:37:24 i may just get a spare battery/charger to avoid using the port often Feb 04 19:37:30 heh Feb 04 19:38:00 you'd think that wouldnt be an issue this far after release tho Feb 04 19:38:11 VDVsx: and agenda view after reboot :) Feb 04 19:38:31 VDVsx: cause looks like it has some weird problem Feb 04 19:39:38 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330966762/ Feb 04 19:40:31 looks sexy :P Feb 04 19:42:02 ok, vanilla .bin image does not reset the user directory Feb 04 19:42:07 looks nice indeed Feb 04 19:42:31 RST38h: You supposed to hate it :) Feb 04 19:43:45 wazd, see om Feb 04 19:43:48 *pm Feb 04 19:44:04 wazd: well, I made a few corrections for my personal tastes, and with these applied it looks great =) Feb 04 19:44:37 * RST38h still wants flat, slightly recessed, non-glossy UI elements, like in Digital Nature Feb 04 19:44:56 The glossy stuff looks too much like Vista =) Feb 04 19:45:14 me likey the default theme Feb 04 19:45:26 thresh: it can be better Feb 04 19:45:36 but it is ok, of course Feb 04 19:45:55 yeah, but that's probably because i like blue color Feb 04 19:46:11 blue is one problem I have with it :) Feb 04 19:46:26 would rather use Digital Nature if it did not have a few bugs Feb 04 19:47:06 if I clean the /home/user/ directory (I assume all settings are kept there?), sync, sync, remove the battery - will system repopulate it with stuff that comes as default after reflashing with vanilla? Feb 04 19:48:36 i guess not so, you have to reflash the emmc for vanilla setup Feb 04 19:49:27 lasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R - like this? Feb 04 19:50:09 yes Feb 04 19:51:20 'like' check if thats the actual version and correct arguments Feb 04 19:52:15 did pr1.1 come with a new emmc image? maybe not Feb 04 19:53:35 hmm, weird - I flashed with vanilla, system in a loop, cannot fully boot. so I flashed with pr1.1, looks like new, flash et. al. works. i need to investigate Feb 04 19:56:05 RST38h, wazd was talking about a hue changer for themes, if one could be made to work it would be an improvement, but it would be a tricky thing to get right instantly Feb 04 19:56:11 Anybody in here have much experience with pool filters? Feb 04 19:57:04 GeneralAntilles, only that you never ever sit over the suction thing Feb 04 19:57:13 lcuk, nice. Feb 04 20:04:24 * Stskeeps facepalms over danish news .. "symbian isn't threatened right now but the development of OpenMoko and Iphone OS is happening very rapidly" Feb 04 20:04:45 is there an ovi store apt repository? Feb 04 20:05:07 * lcuk looks @ Stskeeps oddly Feb 04 20:05:29 i really hope they meant either 1) android or 2) maemo Feb 04 20:05:49 i think its journo without a clue Feb 04 20:06:28 Stskeeps, nah, you're just way behind the times. Feb 04 20:06:43 OpenMoko is the new Maemo. Feb 04 20:07:15 OpenMoko, lolz :D Feb 04 20:07:38 C64 :D Feb 04 20:07:50 Does default media player on n900 have search (playlist) function? O_o Feb 04 20:08:14 oh hai RevdKathy \o Feb 04 20:08:25 Hi all - Hi lcuk Feb 04 20:08:47 Hey, Kathy. Feb 04 20:08:55 Hi GA! Feb 04 20:09:16 so what's new? Feb 04 20:09:16 hi Feb 04 20:09:26 Hi Aquarina Feb 04 20:09:36 * GeneralAntilles is investigating pool filters. Feb 04 20:09:56 is anyone having a problem not being able to upgrade x11-common? Feb 04 20:10:03 for a swimming pool, a pool table or a new MAEMO GAME, gENERAL aTILLES? Feb 04 20:10:08 oOPS! Feb 04 20:10:12 Swimming, sadly. Feb 04 20:10:15 stupid laptop Feb 04 20:10:19 sshed into device and ap-get update & upgrade Feb 04 20:10:21 lovely! Feb 04 20:10:22 hI rEVDkATHY Feb 04 20:10:28 The 60-year-old DE filter on my parent's pool is finally obsolete. Feb 04 20:10:33 * RevdKathy makes note to visit GA in the summer Feb 04 20:10:43 Hi w00t! Feb 04 20:10:44 summer has tornados Feb 04 20:10:45 It's hot down here in the summer. Feb 04 20:10:48 Visit in the fall. :P Feb 04 20:11:13 lcuk, those are called "hurricanes". Feb 04 20:11:13 My other Florida friend says spring. Fall = hurricanes Feb 04 20:11:20 * lcuk remembers being taught you have to sink lawn furniture in such times Feb 04 20:11:30 We don't get hurricanes where I am anyway. Feb 04 20:11:36 lcuk, yeah, it's fun. Feb 04 20:12:03 yeah pushing pink flamingoes under the water must break some sorta animal cruelty law Feb 04 20:13:45 omg, for me it sounds like utopia :) Feb 04 20:15:42 hi Feb 04 20:16:41 hey Feb 04 20:16:57 hi Feb 04 20:17:14 http://www.revdkathy.co.uk/avs/flamingo.jpg Feb 04 20:17:28 the bear visited flamingos! Feb 04 20:25:05 o/ Feb 04 20:26:09 OpenMoko wow a blast fromt he past Feb 04 20:40:06 * satmd is missing the .qf file and ovi maps does not create it Feb 04 20:40:11 Noreve case hd video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iro26b9VTKQ Feb 04 20:50:00 yay, jedit and apache tomcat are running on n900! and it's so simple... ok, probably nothing new to most of you, but it's oh-so-amazing for me being an iphone switcher :-) Feb 04 20:50:06 I love this phone :-) Feb 04 20:51:00 Didn't apache run on the iPhone? Feb 04 20:51:20 Probably yes, but not apache tomcat which is Java SE based Feb 04 20:52:50 But thanks to this great community, it was really simple getting a full java sdk on the n900 Feb 04 20:56:05 where should the .qf reside on the flash? Feb 04 20:56:30 guys, i came up with one question Feb 04 20:56:38 i found that n900 doesn't have java support Feb 04 20:56:55 and e.g htc hd has Feb 04 20:56:59 hd2* Feb 04 20:57:16 what java is it meant here ? Feb 04 20:57:22 is it runtime one ? Feb 04 20:57:24 you can download a jre from sun Feb 04 20:58:09 i'm talking about java sdk - you can either download a (time limited trial) version from sun or openjdk Feb 04 20:59:03 i've tried out http://camswl.com/openjdk and it works really well Feb 04 21:02:17 with java on phones j2me is usually meant, not j2se Feb 04 21:02:35 i am just now about comparing hd2 and n900 Feb 04 21:02:43 shit, it's so confusing :) Feb 04 21:03:26 j2me wont let you run azureus/vuze or web applets :) Feb 04 21:04:13 i've found video comparing theese phones with a help question which one to buy Feb 04 21:04:22 and it has like 590 comments Feb 04 21:04:36 and all of them are bloody different with different opinions Feb 04 21:05:48 Consider that extremely few of them have used both devices more than 5 minutes in a shop. Feb 04 21:06:17 :D Feb 04 21:06:23 anyway that's not a question for me Feb 04 21:07:01 anpr, WinMob vs Maemo? Feb 04 21:07:02 Really? Feb 04 21:08:14 * w00t would never go back to windows mobile Feb 04 21:08:17 ever ever ever ever Feb 04 21:08:31 4 years of that hell was more than enough for me Feb 04 21:08:36 * ifreq was never with win mobile. :P Feb 04 21:09:23 thank your lucky stars. Feb 04 21:09:24 anpr, basically, if you want a phone that offers you a complete user experience out-of-the-box, then Maemo isn't for you. Feb 04 21:09:39 If, however, you want a platform that let's you exploit it to the fullest. . . . Feb 04 21:09:41 GeneralAntilles: you know, I still really don't even agree with that Feb 04 21:09:55 I wasn't left thinking "hmm, where's X" at any stage Feb 04 21:10:01 w00t, well, it's HIGHLY dependent on your use-case. Feb 04 21:10:07 granted, I don't use MMS, so that helps Feb 04 21:10:08 Personally, I find Modest works pretty well for me. Feb 04 21:10:17 yeah, same Feb 04 21:10:18 But I don't use POP and I don't use Exchange. Feb 04 21:10:30 I mostly only use mail on there as a notifier anyway Feb 04 21:10:30 My inbox isn't ever more than 2000 emails big. Feb 04 21:10:39 since I'm pretty much always on a PC anyway Feb 04 21:10:49 As for the browser, I don't really frequent any JS or Flash heavy sites Feb 04 21:10:57 heh Feb 04 21:11:05 I don't use USSD codes ever and I don't send or receive MMS messages Feb 04 21:11:11 I also don't need portrait mode Feb 04 21:11:12 mhm Feb 04 21:11:22 So, yeah, for me, the out-of-the-box experience is pretty damn good. Feb 04 21:11:38 it might just be me, but I can't help but wonder if USSD and MMS is something more american, because in all seriousness, I've never met anyone who uses either Feb 04 21:11:46 I'd second that as a complete linux n00b Feb 04 21:11:48 Unfortunately people often have different requirements, so it's best to play it safe. ;) Feb 04 21:11:55 oh... Feb 04 21:12:00 got my pc restarted... Feb 04 21:12:02 i use ussd Feb 04 21:12:11 thresh: what for/where are you from? Feb 04 21:12:13 I think mms fad is over in europe already Feb 04 21:12:15 w00t: USSD is pretty widespread in europe Feb 04 21:12:15 (just idle curiosity) Feb 04 21:12:16 so i just wanted to say, that i am just interested what are people talking Feb 04 21:12:16 w00t, a large number of the bugs I've duped for USSD have been non-native speakers. Feb 04 21:12:19 w00t, so, dunno. Feb 04 21:12:20 w00t: balance checking, Russia Feb 04 21:12:24 USSD in the UK is for people on payg - people who on ctract don[t use it Feb 04 21:12:24 appearently this whole MMS stuff seems to be popular with girlfriends, ive learned ;D Feb 04 21:12:24 hm Feb 04 21:12:24 and almost mandatory in Russia Feb 04 21:12:25 when they are comparing n900 with something Feb 04 21:12:31 okay, perhaps that's why Feb 04 21:12:32 w00t, I don't know anybody in my group of friends who actively uses USSD codes. Feb 04 21:12:35 I don't know many PAYG people Feb 04 21:12:55 (thank god, bloody riffraff!) Feb 04 21:12:56 :P Feb 04 21:13:14 Damn - do I need to sign up for gender change, frals, since I don't use mms much either? Feb 04 21:13:22 the only codes I've used is to check version, annd to erase gprs settings (on some models nokia hides the ui to enter your operator's settings) Feb 04 21:13:25 frals: ..actually Feb 04 21:13:32 now that does remind me of the one time I used MMS ;) Feb 04 21:13:53 Is it legal to send photos like that, w00t? Feb 04 21:13:53 RevdKathy: no need for a sex change, there are other "solutions" to that "problem" ;-) Feb 04 21:14:04 from my personal experience MMS usage is declining as more girls get smartphones or javaphones with jimm and operamini at least Feb 04 21:14:07 RevdKathy: errhm, probably not Feb 04 21:14:14 :) Feb 04 21:14:15 what, that I don't use mms? I neither have nor want a g/f Feb 04 21:14:22 not legal! Feb 04 21:14:26 hi, has anybody already tried to compile a kernel with the fiasco-gen which was prereleased today? Feb 04 21:14:35 yeah, mms is like wap, a crutch until real internet arrives Feb 04 21:14:42 Did yo keep a copy? I'll send my phone no via pm :p Feb 04 21:14:49 t-tan: i tried before it was released and that worked fine, give it a try? Feb 04 21:15:05 oh lol, I do remember everyone going on about how incredible WAP would be.. and I was like "no." Feb 04 21:15:17 * w00t is far too old Feb 04 21:15:20 I used to make my salary out of WAP Feb 04 21:15:26 * LOD is away: Occupé Feb 04 21:15:28 those golden days Feb 04 21:15:31 w00t: wap was ugly obsolete crap the first day it was introduced Feb 04 21:15:34 * thresh still does Feb 04 21:15:35 RevdKathy: I do, but they're not on my n900, and I er would get in trouble for redistributing :P Feb 04 21:15:38 Stskeeps: did you use the on-device fiasco-flasher from PR1.0? Feb 04 21:15:50 You were underage????? w00t! Feb 04 21:15:55 wap was silly, especially that phase when every wap site wanted you to make a data call to their own expensive modem pool Feb 04 21:15:56 t-tan: agreed, i did not test flashing Feb 04 21:15:59 people actually do use wap a lot Feb 04 21:16:05 for, ehm, dating services Feb 04 21:16:05 actually i had fully internet capable smartphone year or two before nokia 7110 was out ;-) Feb 04 21:16:15 t-tan: it is a PR1.1 kernel though Feb 04 21:16:16 thresh: that's true Feb 04 21:16:18 and it had qwerty and web browser Feb 04 21:16:34 Stskeeps: sure compiling is easy, but flashing was the problem Feb 04 21:16:39 Arkenoi: did it help to score ? :) Feb 04 21:17:25 actually the problem with wap it was damn obvious electronics becomes dirt cheap so there is no need to care about ridiculous kilobyte-size RAM advantages and stuff like that Feb 04 21:17:44 but people are amazingly stupid Feb 04 21:17:44 t-tan: the fiasco image comes with a version check, so you might be running into that Feb 04 21:17:52 (read: applying PR1.1 kernel on PR1.0) Feb 04 21:17:52 thresh: at least twice! Feb 04 21:18:33 wap's still used cause every thone out there in the wild supports it Feb 04 21:18:37 Arkenoi what was that smartphone ? Feb 04 21:18:39 s/thone/phone/ Feb 04 21:18:39 thresh meant: wap's still used cause every phone out there in the wild supports it Feb 04 21:18:48 anpr: nokia 9000 Feb 04 21:18:51 every business phone also supports LEAP authentication Feb 04 21:18:54 Stskeeps: ok, that should be solved by the new fiasco-gen. I'm running PR1.1 and I going to compile my custom kernel. Feb 04 21:18:56 Arkenoi Feb 04 21:19:01 kk Feb 04 21:19:04 =] Feb 04 21:19:04 but on the bug report for maemo, people say there are more important things to do Feb 04 21:19:16 Arkenoi i just want to ask question Feb 04 21:19:30 to confuse myself even more Feb 04 21:19:38 I was happy when I got my first phone witth gprs and discovered the "wap" browser also rendered html2 fine Feb 04 21:19:47 what do u think abou htc hd2 and n900, which is better in your opinion and why ? Feb 04 21:19:55 thresh: it could be much better to define light html subset instead of that ugly crap Feb 04 21:20:16 If you use the internet more than voice, the n900 is for you Feb 04 21:20:36 if you want a phone for talking into, the n900 is not the best choice Feb 04 21:20:38 imo Feb 04 21:20:38 ShadowJK thanks, :) it's to be honest not a question for me Feb 04 21:20:42 i prefer anywya n900 Feb 04 21:21:04 but i see like 1000s people so amazed about hd2 Feb 04 21:21:12 so i just wonder why Feb 04 21:21:22 anpr: wm is a disaster. first, it is UI disaster, as it is not consistent. we are affected by similar problem with non-hildonized apps too, but "old style" non finger-friendly wm apps are even worse and almost all of them look that way Feb 04 21:21:43 HD2 is nice Feb 04 21:21:49 i was thinking of buying it today Feb 04 21:21:54 and there is yet another problem with wm, the problem we suffer as well but far not that bad: power management Feb 04 21:21:56 * RST38h would not call hildonized apps consistent either Feb 04 21:22:06 Nokia is starting to piss me off with their utter lack of commitment to Maemo Feb 04 21:22:08 wm cannot sleep properly while staying online Feb 04 21:22:11 (I mean Maemo5 hildonized apps rather than Maemo4 Feb 04 21:22:12 and their abandon of the N900 Feb 04 21:22:14 yeah power management it really actual problem Feb 04 21:22:17 i bought the n900 as a phone for talking into and it was the best choice for me Feb 04 21:22:28 siriusnova, er, they've abandoned the N900? Feb 04 21:22:38 siriusnova: there is only one solution to all this angst Feb 04 21:22:41 so if you have persistent internet connection your battery life is likely to be no more that 12 hours Feb 04 21:22:48 maybe 16 if you are lucky Feb 04 21:22:56 As far as I'm aware there are at least 3 more updates coming Feb 04 21:23:00 GeneralAntilles: id say so, no ovi maps, buggy software, lack of features as compared to symbian, lack of commercial apps Feb 04 21:23:02 and quite likely more. Feb 04 21:23:04 well Feb 04 21:23:12 lol Feb 04 21:23:13 if they update N900 frequently im happy Feb 04 21:23:19 hmmm Feb 04 21:23:20 siriusnova, it only became a phone platform very recently. Feb 04 21:23:22 siriusnova: http://www.mobile88.com/news/read.asp?file=/2009/12/3/20091203020435&sec=International - they're trying. but money makes the world move Feb 04 21:23:28 like twice a week :D Feb 04 21:23:28 siriusnova, Symbian has been around since the 90s. Feb 04 21:23:42 the N900 has awesome hardware although the battery life could be MUCH better Feb 04 21:23:43 no doubt Feb 04 21:23:49 but the software is unfinished Feb 04 21:23:56 siriusnova yeah Feb 04 21:24:02 mwkn is nice Feb 04 21:24:04 and that's why it's amazing, isn't ? Feb 04 21:24:05 siriusnova, what's your battery life? Feb 04 21:24:08 siriusnova: name one phone with "finished" software? Feb 04 21:24:15 GeneralAntilles: 4-5 hours Feb 04 21:24:23 siriusnova, what in the WORLD are you doing? Feb 04 21:24:27 wazd: NOKLA! Feb 04 21:24:30 siriusnova, watching video constantly? Feb 04 21:24:33 3G-WiFi AP? :D Feb 04 21:24:37 i have to charge it constantly, i cant make it through the day without it running out Feb 04 21:24:38 nope Feb 04 21:24:42 [state-of-factly] He is watching porn. Feb 04 21:24:45 i just have 3G active for my push email Feb 04 21:24:47 thats it Feb 04 21:24:50 4-5 hrs wtf Feb 04 21:24:51 the screen isnt even on half the time Feb 04 21:24:55 i know it sucks Feb 04 21:24:55 siriusnova, something is VERY wrong. Feb 04 21:24:56 3G for push? :D Feb 04 21:25:13 bad unit? Feb 04 21:25:13 Today my n900 was consuming huge amounts of power again, and it wasn't wifi. Eventually I disconnected and reconnected gprs, and the power use dropped to about 7% of what it was using before... things like that are a bit annoying :) Feb 04 21:25:14 i get that developing when i got wlan without powersaving, screen on and doing lots of testing on device Feb 04 21:25:16 anpr: and the third thing - at least as important for me: the full voip and messaging integration we have for any protocol is available for MSN only on WM. Feb 04 21:25:16 * GeneralAntilles gets 12-18 hours with IRC, IM, etc. Feb 04 21:25:20 what Feb 04 21:25:26 i barely get 7 if i dont use 3G Feb 04 21:25:32 what are you doing that im not doing Feb 04 21:25:42 siriusnova, something's wrong with your device or the software on it. Feb 04 21:25:43 siriusnova: but. You've avoided the question Feb 04 21:25:53 wazd? Feb 04 21:26:04 I get +12h when developing, bluetooth + ssh + wifi Feb 04 21:26:06 siriusnova: I'm with your boat, and I think I have a bad battery Feb 04 21:26:11 siriusnova: name a single smartphone with finished software Feb 04 21:26:22 wazd: symbian :P Feb 04 21:26:24 siriusnova, with 5 hour battery life, top may be revealing. Feb 04 21:26:25 Arkenoi to be honest voip and messaging integration was one of the strongest aspects why i purchased n900 Feb 04 21:26:30 if I have 3G and jabber presence on, I really only get about 3-4 hours, even if I'm hardly doing anything else Feb 04 21:26:32 GeneralAntilles: herm k Feb 04 21:26:40 wazd, Nokia 1110 or something like that Feb 04 21:26:42 siriusnova: are you kidding? I can kill my e63 in like, 10sec Feb 04 21:26:47 johnsu01: yeah pretty much Feb 04 21:26:51 the presence stuff really eats battery on 3g :( Feb 04 21:26:55 Arkenoi so explain me why than 1000s of people say that n900 sucks Feb 04 21:27:02 siriusnova: kill that hard to take off the battery Feb 04 21:27:06 and prefer hd2 Feb 04 21:27:14 lack of knowladge ? Feb 04 21:27:16 herm Feb 04 21:27:22 ive never had problems with my Nokia 5800 Feb 04 21:27:26 VDVsx: I asked for smartphone, not uberphone :D Feb 04 21:27:28 but it's highly operator dependent too, some operators have settings friendly to always-online use, some have very crap settings for always-online use Feb 04 21:27:31 ^ Feb 04 21:27:35 wazd, that one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100 Feb 04 21:27:37 * jebba building new kernel Feb 04 21:27:41 wazd, very stable ;) Feb 04 21:28:03 do other european countries have gsm accounts which includes calls, sms, mms and 3G? I'm curious about the prices Feb 04 21:28:17 anpr: it is thick and not sexy ;-) Feb 04 21:28:22 siriusnova: there are a lot of people that haven't got any problems with n900 Feb 04 21:28:27 siriusnova: so what Feb 04 21:28:34 siriusnova, well 5800 before the fw update was a bit bad Feb 04 21:28:36 anybody built gcc in scratchbox? Feb 04 21:28:36 hahah :d Feb 04 21:28:45 the N900 is a pocketable computer that just so happens to have a phone included Feb 04 21:28:47 VDVsx - at least the 5800 had full featured ovi maps Feb 04 21:28:51 (or, anybody know of an optified gcc .deb for the n900?) Feb 04 21:28:54 so you want to say, that they are buying smartphone to be like a girlfriend ? :D Feb 04 21:29:01 sr71 - i doubt that since nokia is marketing the n900 as a phone Feb 04 21:29:02 My contract includes 2mbit/s data and 5 sim cards. voice, sms and mms 6.9 cents per minute/message Feb 04 21:29:06 definitely not for someone looking for an iPhone experience Feb 04 21:29:15 in Finland an operator offers 3000 mins of calls, 3000 sms and mms messages plus up to 5 Mbps 3G for 33 e / month. is it cheap or expensive? Feb 04 21:29:15 but for example i have a major grime with the email client Feb 04 21:29:25 siriusnova: nokia did awesome job to make maemo almost-consumer-ready Feb 04 21:29:38 siriusnova: you can't have everything at the same time Feb 04 21:29:40 Scelt it's cheap Feb 04 21:29:41 the email cllient doesnt download all your email, it regets it every single time via an internet connection, there is no offline mode Feb 04 21:29:42 Scelt, no downloads limit ? Feb 04 21:29:42 compare with UK Feb 04 21:29:48 well marketing doesn't always reflect reality :) Feb 04 21:29:48 its very very annoying for a "mobile computer" Feb 04 21:29:56 VDVsx: nope Feb 04 21:30:04 Scelt, very cheap Feb 04 21:30:06 anpr: something like that. people are less rational than they are trying to appear. Feb 04 21:30:23 okay :) Feb 04 21:30:26 anpr: okay, but uk is a bit of more expensive country anyway Feb 04 21:30:42 VDVsx: "It is targeted towards developing countries and users who do not require advanced features beyond making calls and SMS text messages, alarm clock, reminders and BASH console" :D Feb 04 21:30:47 here we have limits Feb 04 21:30:49 Scelt, but I'm in Portugal, that's cheap comparing to the prices around here Feb 04 21:30:52 VDVsx: think so too. actually it is 55 e / mo but 22 e / mo is the payment for N900 so the it's 33 e / mo for the calls etc. Feb 04 21:30:57 i think with all the providers Feb 04 21:31:01 The biggest problem with ovi maps is that they called it ovi maps, people assume it's the same software. It's not the same software. One is on symbian and the other on maemo. Symbian and maemo are so different it's more effort to port it than to rewrite it from scratch, which is what they're doing... Feb 04 21:31:23 wazd, it has bash ???? Feb 04 21:31:26 In JavaScript! Feb 04 21:31:29 gonna but it Feb 04 21:31:32 *buy Feb 04 21:31:47 konttori_nokia: ping Feb 04 21:31:51 VDVsx: okay. then I guess it Feb 04 21:31:58 VDVsx: okay. then I guess it's a good offer Feb 04 21:31:59 bad idea I guess Feb 04 21:32:06 ShadowJK - problem is not on our side, how does a end user know the difference, and the fact you cant sync with Ovi Suite either and no isync plugin while every other N series device can isnt great either Feb 04 21:32:26 ugh, ovi suite :) Feb 04 21:32:37 it seems to me that the N900 was an experimental phone just to test the waters Feb 04 21:32:39 with no real backing Feb 04 21:32:41 the best thing here, you can buy a 3g card with no traffic limit, but you can't have unlimited traffic in your phone, LOlol Feb 04 21:32:43 I don't know why anyone would voluntarily install that Feb 04 21:32:47 Symbian is Nokia's baby Feb 04 21:32:49 anpr: what the limits are? how many megabytes in a month? Feb 04 21:33:02 symbian is not a baby Feb 04 21:33:17 hmm Feb 04 21:33:19 ITS a monster Feb 04 21:33:22 lol Feb 04 21:33:25 symbian is a 100500 yo deaf skeleton :D Feb 04 21:33:26 wazd: it is just an ugly old dwarf? Feb 04 21:33:32 ah Feb 04 21:33:38 the n900 has SO much potential its rediculous Feb 04 21:33:43 VDVsx: sounds interesting :] Feb 04 21:33:45 Scelt in my case, i am using Vodafone, they call it "unlimited mobile internet" which is 500mb per month Feb 04 21:33:54 but we have three Feb 04 21:34:00 they are more mobile internet friendly Feb 04 21:34:04 siriusnova: do you have unicorn dust or something? Feb 04 21:34:08 but i bet they have bloody limits as well Feb 04 21:34:11 siriusnova: in reality every symbian phone has different ovi/nokia maps and different browser Feb 04 21:34:22 just maybe like 2gb/monthly Feb 04 21:34:24 Scelt, is very lame, don't who had that brilliant idea :D Feb 04 21:34:41 wazd - also for example no USSD support, i cant send a number like #133* Feb 04 21:34:50 siriusnova, you can Feb 04 21:34:52 if the browser people announce a bugfix on their blog, only half of NEW phones will have it :( Feb 04 21:34:53 so i have to carry a second handset Feb 04 21:35:00 VDVsx - how? Feb 04 21:35:05 siriusnova, there's a app for that Feb 04 21:35:07 anpr: okay. it's pretty reasonable limit considering the usage. I dunno how far I could push the operator before they put up a limit but it's said as "until it doesn't disturb the other traffic" Feb 04 21:35:08 siriusnova: you actually can Feb 04 21:35:18 i think thats ## Feb 04 21:35:20 not # Feb 04 21:35:21 and some codes already works in the last fw update Feb 04 21:35:27 yeah ## works Feb 04 21:35:29 not # Feb 04 21:35:30 VDVsx: :D Feb 04 21:35:31 Scelt but i don't think that 1gb monthly Feb 04 21:35:37 would disturb traffic Feb 04 21:35:45 for checking bank balance or refilling your account Feb 04 21:35:45 don't think so too Feb 04 21:35:48 VDVsx: what's the string for detailed description for control? :) Feb 04 21:35:52 if you are downloading blu-ray movies with your n900 so yeah, maybe Feb 04 21:35:53 jebba: thanks for compiling all those etch .debs Feb 04 21:36:00 siriusnova: don't forget the lack of PTT, 3g video calls, 3g video sharing, 3g image sharing, ovi video center and WML support1 Feb 04 21:36:07 jebba: ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 ) Feb 04 21:36:14 VDVsx: and what should I write in all these stupid descriptions anyway :D Feb 04 21:36:15 but if you are just a daily user who wants e.g whatch youtube movies 500mb is not a serious ammount of data for you Feb 04 21:36:21 jebba: can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list from your scratchjobx? Feb 04 21:36:29 (scratchbox) Feb 04 21:36:44 * ShadowJK downloaded 3gigs from youtube with gpodder last 2 days... Feb 04 21:36:48 and where's that goddamn arrow Feb 04 21:36:49 wazd, I think you would need to divide the current description, gonna check Feb 04 21:36:56 jebba: I'm having dependency problems building gcc (I'd like to optify it otherwise I'd just use your packages) Feb 04 21:36:58 *you only need Feb 04 21:37:25 anpr: I checked out the terms. it says that operator has a possibility to prioritize other traffic over the 3G traffic but nothing about limits. and you may not also use p2p programs Feb 04 21:37:43 I bet N900 doesn't support cell broadcast either :) Feb 04 21:37:52 Scelt it's said 500mb limit Feb 04 21:38:10 anpr: I mean here in Finland :) Feb 04 21:38:11 any usage after 500mb will cost Feb 04 21:38:19 for mb Feb 04 21:38:30 Goodnight all! Feb 04 21:38:32 oooh :) Feb 04 21:38:33 ah, do you have optified gcc for on-device compilation? i want it too ;-) Feb 04 21:38:34 kk Feb 04 21:38:34 =] Feb 04 21:38:34 sorry Feb 04 21:38:37 RevdKathy: cya Feb 04 21:38:53 the optification thing sounds INSANE Feb 04 21:38:55 siriusnova, wait for the next update. Feb 04 21:39:07 why not just have /usr/local be mounted or symlinked Feb 04 21:39:16 it seems like a really stupid decision Feb 04 21:39:21 next update will be shipped with white ponies ;) Feb 04 21:39:24 redeeman: I like to treat /opt/maemo as /usr/local :) Feb 04 21:39:25 anpr: np :) but here, it costs 1,5 e / MB without a package. it's a price really encourages to take a 3G package with monthly cost Feb 04 21:39:37 VDVsx: with golden colt :D Feb 04 21:39:45 ShadowJK: but /opt/maemo doesn't even work properly, that's why you gotta symlink shit into / Feb 04 21:39:47 VDVsx: and 1 bullet :) Feb 04 21:40:01 wazd, lololol Feb 04 21:40:03 its just so stupid, the person that thought it up deserves some serious bitchslapping Feb 04 21:40:59 redeeman: is there a good summary somewhere of what "doesn't even work properly" means, precisely? Feb 04 21:41:00 redeeman: well you can compile things to look in /opt/maemo for libs, and have the desktop/menu shortcut point to /opt/maemo/bin/blah :) Feb 04 21:41:21 AHA! Feb 04 21:41:24 Arkenoi: when I find one I'll let you know :) Feb 04 21:41:29 I'VE FOUND THAT GODDAMN ARROW! Feb 04 21:41:36 ShadowJK: its ridiculous that we must create symlinks in / for the application launcher etc to find it Feb 04 21:41:37 * wazd dances Feb 04 21:41:38 but overall optification is a solution to an invented problem Feb 04 21:41:50 its a POOR solution Feb 04 21:41:55 wazd, yeah, short description is correct now :) Feb 04 21:42:02 Hi Feb 04 21:42:22 VDVsx: do I need long description? :) Feb 04 21:42:23 wazd, the long one comes above that with a space in the beginning Feb 04 21:42:37 wazd, well, not mandatory, I think Feb 04 21:42:43 it's improvement though, on N8x0 we didn't even have optification :) Feb 04 21:42:46 but is easy to add Feb 04 21:42:47 VDVsx: cause I don't know what to write bout dark blue theme :D Feb 04 21:43:03 wazd, you had something Feb 04 21:43:08 mtd: I'm working on a gcc4.4 port which would also be optified (I need it on autobuilder) Feb 04 21:43:14 Yes, on the N8x0 you had 256 MB and you liked it. Feb 04 21:44:03 Is there a list of osso-xterm command line arguments somewhere (I need a --fullscreen one) Feb 04 21:44:05 VDVsx: it was an absolute stupidity :) Feb 04 21:44:07 (is this even the right channel?) Feb 04 21:44:13 and your home dir was on that 256 too :) Feb 04 21:44:23 wazd, eheh, Feb 04 21:44:40 jebba: cool! what do you think about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 Feb 04 21:45:27 wazd, IMO its more than fine now :) Feb 04 21:46:03 t-tan: cool Feb 04 21:46:12 Lumpio-, --help doesn't give you that list ? Feb 04 21:46:30 asking here third time (no one answered before): how can i open given url with web browser from a command line? Feb 04 21:46:46 does no one really knows? Feb 04 21:46:50 So, is there any discussion regarding a different system than optification for maemo6? Feb 04 21:47:18 usrlocalification? ;) Feb 04 21:47:19 Arkenoi, for top of my head, I can remember but is possible Feb 04 21:47:25 *from the Feb 04 21:47:35 mtd: first I need to finish dependencies for the testsuite. we don't want the compiler to produce crap Feb 04 21:47:37 Arkenoi: maybe you can searcch tmo for personal menu commands Feb 04 21:47:47 Arkenoi: maybe it's related Feb 04 21:48:11 optification is like something you'd do if you wanted to replicate aufs in userspace so badly you didn't consider anything else :) Feb 04 21:48:39 VDVsx: As far as I can tell, --help makes it not do anything. Feb 04 21:48:48 As in not even start, no USAGE, no nothing. Feb 04 21:48:56 Arkenoi, it's a dbus call, like dbus-send .... Feb 04 21:49:25 Lumpio-, my device is charging can't test now :D Feb 04 21:49:50 t-tan: sure. It's a shame apt-get -b pkg doesn't, well, just build that package :( Feb 04 21:49:52 ...I can test if you have any ideas Feb 04 21:49:57 geh, this hotel got some really annoying firewall, cant ssh to my device >_< Feb 04 21:49:59 I did try the usual guesses already though Feb 04 21:50:05 s/hotel/hotel wifi/ Feb 04 21:50:06 frals meant: geh, this hotel wifi got some really annoying firewall, cant ssh to my device >_< Feb 04 21:50:33 Arkenoi: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"google.com" Feb 04 21:50:40 Arkenoi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Feb 04 21:50:43 frals: that reminds me I should setup openvpn on my server to run on tcp https port :) Feb 04 21:51:06 mtd: heh. thanks. Feb 04 21:51:09 mtd: yep. the main problem are the obsolete buildtools and autobuilder. Feb 04 21:51:23 t-tan: ah :( Feb 04 21:52:13 atleast it isn't 5 year old codesourcery anymore Feb 04 21:52:41 how to mount nokia n900 on ubuntu on mass storage mode Feb 04 21:52:46 mtd: you need several workaround to build modern packages, but I've already uploaded several tools (debhelper7, gnu *utils etc) to make our life easier by just editing PATH Feb 04 21:53:08 ShadowJK: only 3 years old now... ;-/ Feb 04 21:53:13 t-tan: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ claims etch was released 2009, but hrw claims it was 2007. What's the deal? Feb 04 21:53:19 :) Feb 04 21:53:20 t-tan: thanks - uploaded where? Feb 04 21:53:29 Ah well, I guess I can live without auto-fullscreem Feb 04 21:53:45 hrw-gone-fosdem: you're a bit early for FOSDEM :) Feb 04 21:53:46 mtd: extras-devel, the latest bugfix update for etch was in 2009 Feb 04 21:53:51 Would be nice to at least have a standard USAGE come up though. Feb 04 21:54:23 send patch ;) Feb 04 21:55:10 mtd: that says 4.0r8, ie the 8th update of etch. Feb 04 21:58:26 hi, I have an n810 and sound is very choppy with n810 Feb 04 21:59:49 with skype, I mean Feb 04 22:01:25 * Arkenoi wonders if bfs may provide any advantage on n900? Feb 04 22:01:31 are people at the hotel and coordinating? I'm at cdg Feb 04 22:01:45 how to mount nokia n900 on ubuntu on mass storage mode Feb 04 22:01:50 oops, wrong channel :-) Feb 04 22:01:59 timeless: what part of the world are you in his time? Feb 04 22:02:07 +t Feb 04 22:02:09 /join mercurial Feb 04 22:02:18 paris Feb 04 22:02:21 ah Feb 04 22:09:05 Caesium: 8th "update" of a release? I smell marketing. Feb 04 22:09:18 t-tan: ok. I guess I should re-enable extras-devel. Feb 04 22:10:11 t-tan: hmm hadn't thought of enabling extras-devel on scratchbox for some reason. Feb 04 22:10:23 mtd: yes, not really familiar with Debian's update and versioning system, I assume a security patch doesn't bump the update or it'd be higher than 8 after 2 years one would assume Feb 04 22:10:43 Caesium: makes sense. Feb 04 22:11:33 mtd: extras-devel is essential if you want to develop Feb 04 22:12:13 t-tan: yeah I dunno why I didn't think of enabling it in the scratchbox... Feb 04 22:12:18 mtd: my bus to berlin airport is leaving in 2:30 Feb 04 22:12:49 hrw-gone-fosdem: ah Feb 04 22:13:31 zaheerm: What kind a QAd does fremantle have ? Feb 04 22:13:38 * wazd ponders if he can release Manila weather icons for Maemo... Feb 04 22:17:06 * mtd had alread put extras-devel in his scratchbox apt sources, so has gone from feeling stupid to just forgetful. Feb 04 22:21:34 What format is N900 filesystem Feb 04 22:21:36 FAT32? Feb 04 22:22:06 ubifs, ext3, vfat (fat32) Feb 04 22:24:26 Thx Feb 04 22:25:35 ubifs on / nand, the 32g emmc is divided into a 2gig ext2 partition, 768M swap and the rest vfat Feb 04 22:26:45 jebba: I think I might pin base-files to maemo repos rather than freemoe-etch :) Feb 04 22:26:52 How does that subtitle plugin for Media Player work, does anyone know? Feb 04 22:31:01 http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Platform_Opening Feb 04 22:31:48 mtd: oh for certain. Give me the pin list. ;) Don't dist-upgrade against etch ;) Feb 04 22:32:11 http://www.symbian.org/news-and-media/2010/02/04/symbian-completes-biggest-open-source-migration-project-ever Feb 04 22:33:18 mtd: after a debian release has accumulated enough security patches, debian masters a new set of cd images. that's what the 8 etch updates are all about Feb 04 22:35:17 villager: ah, thanks for the explanation. Feb 04 22:35:26 jebba: heh. Feb 04 22:35:34 an update could also include patches for other critical but non-security bugs, though that's rare Feb 04 22:36:44 "The page you are trying to access is restricted to members of the Symbian Foundation." oh well, not worth it. Feb 04 22:38:01 jebba: now that that stuff's open source, every mobile phone operator's network will be hacked Feb 04 22:38:13 jebba: and then the mobile phone operators will go out of business. Feb 04 22:38:25 hi all Feb 04 22:38:50 jebba: I don't know whether to wish my idiotic statements true :) Feb 04 22:41:43 " then the mobile phone operators will go out of business." That's the plan. Feb 04 22:41:50 :) Feb 04 22:42:37 * mtd thinks it's great, of course. Perhaps the license nazis would've preferred GPL to EPL. Feb 04 22:43:46 * mtd is disappointed at the lack of swear words in the code (according to google) Feb 04 22:45:10 actually, google hasn't indexed much (robots.txt?): http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:developer.symbian.org+filetype:cpp Feb 04 22:49:15 Hmm, my n900 isn't keeping it's theme over reboots. anybody else experienced this? Feb 04 22:50:06 never experienced any reboot :) Feb 04 22:50:27 Remosi: any luck building by any chance? :) Feb 04 22:51:46 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 04 22:54:07 embedded, wow, what's your uptime? Feb 04 22:54:30 mmhh...let me think Feb 04 22:55:12 embedded, no need to think, just ask in the console ;) Feb 04 22:55:25 has anyone used ovi maps on s60? I can't get gps lock and it only wants to use gprs for agps, but my sim is in my n900 Feb 04 22:55:27 jophish: at least a couple of months Feb 04 22:55:44 very impressive Feb 04 22:55:53 I think my server has a few years on that though Feb 04 22:56:15 my 2 active n900s have 4 days each Feb 04 22:56:18 :( Feb 04 22:56:29 i'm replying with N900,this is the reason of the late reply Feb 04 22:56:42 reply Feb 04 22:57:03 my nana had an uptime of over 80 years. Feb 04 22:57:11 she got rebooted today :) Feb 04 22:57:12 doesn't fw update require rebooting? Feb 04 22:57:18 lcuk: i had a server with 1400 days uptime Feb 04 22:57:30 not quite as long Feb 04 22:57:31 but still Feb 04 22:57:42 impressive for a computer that Feb 04 22:57:57 had to replace it, no more disk space Feb 04 22:58:02 we had a sun doing http proxy pac serving which had an uptime of 12 years when I left Feb 04 22:58:03 plus, it had already reached 1337 days Feb 04 22:58:11 it's still going ttbomk Feb 04 22:58:16 yuizy: not necessarily Feb 04 22:59:44 the current record for longest uptime is 11 years, 303 days, 20 hours and 57 minutes on a computer running OpenVMS. Feb 04 22:59:58 * Arkenoi had seen 10+ years uptime once Feb 04 23:00:15 yep, and it was openVMS too ;-) Feb 04 23:02:34 I've seen an uptime of 40 years in a server with AIX 5.2... but of course it was a bug. Feb 04 23:04:44 09:59PM up 14643 days, 2:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01 Feb 04 23:05:43 crashanddie: netcraft? Feb 04 23:06:04 ptl: 40 years, right ;) Feb 04 23:06:09 Damion2: wiki Feb 04 23:06:16 ours wasn't online Feb 04 23:06:32 good night all Feb 04 23:06:33 let me find the actual last dated uptime then Feb 04 23:06:46 bye Feb 04 23:06:47 who cares, there's no such thing as an accurate uptime copy/paste Feb 04 23:06:51 crashanddie: it was a bug, it probably calculated as initial date the epoch time Feb 04 23:07:32 the bug was in you trying to fake your uptime ;) Feb 04 23:07:45 lol Feb 04 23:07:47 new freemoe kernel available (untested) Feb 04 23:08:00 I did not fake it Feb 04 23:08:20 I did not issue the uptime command now, I took from my log Feb 04 23:09:06 crashanddie: well if the record on wikipedia is 11yrs and www0-rth.thls.bbc.co.uk is more I'll update it. Feb 04 23:10:20 VERSION Feb 04 23:14:38 that's funny, the uptime record being pasted on wiki Feb 04 23:14:52 as soon as the page is saved it's wrong, what's the point ;) Feb 04 23:15:36 Caesium: ahha! do you have an uptime output stored from it? it contains the date so as long as it's not sinced died it's that much longer Feb 04 23:15:54 no, but bb or slimey will probably happily get some current output for you :p Feb 04 23:16:27 * Caesium is asking :) Feb 04 23:17:32 gar, new kernel doesn't work Feb 04 23:17:33 VDVsx: around? Feb 04 23:17:53 wazd, yup Feb 04 23:17:58 2565 days in 2006 Feb 04 23:18:09 do you guys know a good shopping list application that preferrably makes a good monthly expenses report? Feb 04 23:18:10 VDVsx: I've made a 1.09 build Feb 04 23:18:12 Caesium: it's on google Feb 04 23:18:16 23:17 11:17pm up 3868 day(s), 10:49, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.02 Feb 04 23:18:23 and can compare supermarkets and such Feb 04 23:18:32 wazd, changelog ? :D Feb 04 23:18:34 VDVsx: can you please make some shots with it? :) Feb 04 23:18:49 VDVsx: well, menu arrow works, agenda view fixed I hope Feb 04 23:19:02 wazd, my device is charging atm, but I can make some later Feb 04 23:19:08 VDVsx: ah, ok Feb 04 23:19:34 so over 10.5 yrs I stand corrected Feb 04 23:19:38 wazd, less than a hour, I guess Feb 04 23:19:41 VDVsx: n900 can't charge and make screenshots same time? :D Where's all that multitasking magic I heard about? :D Feb 04 23:19:51 wazd, no,lol Feb 04 23:19:53 Caesium: wait. how can slikmey still ssh in? Feb 04 23:20:03 he got it off bb I think Feb 04 23:20:14 crashanddie: okay it's a year behind Feb 04 23:20:21 ...no? Feb 04 23:20:22 don't you guys shop with N900? Feb 04 23:20:38 Ok, let's change the question. Do you have a bar reader application like in Android? Feb 04 23:20:38 wazd, It can, but I used to turn off devices when charging, bad habit :D Feb 04 23:20:52 VDVsx: if you'll fake some agenda view - that would be cool Feb 04 23:20:54 Caesium: you have oldernokias with ovi navigation? Feb 04 23:21:06 No again? Feb 04 23:21:08 ptl, there's one, but unfinished Feb 04 23:21:10 don't think so, only have E51 and E90 Feb 04 23:21:22 E90 is broken and E51 is for ah-fuck-I-need-a-phone emergencies Feb 04 23:21:29 The good point is that there are nice niches to fill then. Feb 04 23:21:43 VDVsx: what's the name? Is it available via apt-get? Feb 04 23:21:56 ptl, err, mbarcode Feb 04 23:22:07 its in Extras-devel at least Feb 04 23:22:10 k Feb 04 23:22:12 * Caesium had the misfortune of having to use Ovi Maps on N900 in the wild yesterday and today Feb 04 23:22:16 VDVsx: also screenshots of menu arrow, e-mail notifications and all that calendar stuff would be great :) Feb 04 23:22:22 as soon as I finish downloading qtmobiledemo-shoplist I'll apt-cache search it Feb 04 23:22:27 ptl, Shopper, but it's not out yet. Feb 04 23:22:28 how appallingly awful. is it not at all possible to delete/modify the default "points of interest" ? Feb 04 23:22:58 GeneralAntilles: is it in beta? is it open source? Feb 04 23:23:06 ptl, lbt is just being a slow asshole. Feb 04 23:23:24 wazd, can't help with mail, I don't use modest, so don't have any account there :D Feb 04 23:23:38 and I don't want to use it :D Feb 04 23:23:48 the point being, I was a developer in my last job a few years ago, and I want to get in touch with development again by writing some N900 apps. Feb 04 23:24:02 Caesium: tried google maps in the browser with the gps plugin? Feb 04 23:24:11 so if I don't find some interesting applications that do something, I'll write my own Feb 04 23:24:15 ptl, yes shopper is OSS Feb 04 23:24:21 same for mbarcode Feb 04 23:24:25 Damion2: yes, but again can't save waypoints so not much better Feb 04 23:24:31 and can't zoom? Feb 04 23:24:35 so it's a bit limited Feb 04 23:24:40 ptl, but we need a advanced shooper app :D Feb 04 23:24:47 you sure? it's the same as the desktop Feb 04 23:24:59 ahh you're using the iphone version Feb 04 23:25:00 tracy needs specialist app for shoe shopping Feb 04 23:25:01 iirc, might have another play sometimes Feb 04 23:25:10 think I was trying the /m one? Feb 04 23:25:12 VDVsx: meh :) Feb 04 23:25:13 it needs to make a whining noise everytime the credit card is pulled out Feb 04 23:25:16 yeah Feb 04 23:25:31 lol Feb 04 23:26:23 stupid idea of the day Feb 04 23:26:48 cellphones have vibration motors and some have accellerometers Feb 04 23:27:02 Hey Feb 04 23:27:21 data communication line! Feb 04 23:27:44 What program you guys suggest for avi conveter to get good vids to n900 -> to tv Feb 04 23:28:27 data communication line with vibration motors and accelerometers? how? Feb 04 23:28:44 pwnguin, in onedotzero i used to send shake and rumble streams over the wifi, its entirely practical Feb 04 23:28:59 and is being considered for many things Feb 04 23:29:20 lcuk: no no, use the rumble as a communication channel Feb 04 23:29:31 ipeter: I was wondering the same. I have a dvcam which can record from composite also a bttv vid.capure device in a pc Feb 04 23:29:53 * ShadowJK suggests avoiding packed bframes Feb 04 23:30:19 pwnguin, yes i know exactly what you mean Feb 04 23:31:00 Hmph, i would need a converter now :I Feb 04 23:31:18 iPeter-, i have unforgivably stopped transcoding nowadays Feb 04 23:31:38 i had a thought about doing it in the past, but i never have the time when i need to copy things on Feb 04 23:31:56 i wanted to find best quality/battery life ratio Feb 04 23:32:11 Okay. Feb 04 23:32:32 so if you do find out, please up it somewhere lol Feb 04 23:32:42 its completely impractical Feb 04 23:33:00 pwnguin, what is? Feb 04 23:33:12 sending a data stream over the wire? Feb 04 23:33:13 using vibrators and sensors to communicate data Feb 04 23:33:24 is there such an application that will record and playback with a delay that I can specify ? Feb 04 23:33:41 newbie005, dictaphone style? Feb 04 23:33:48 * lcuk would also like one of those too Feb 04 23:33:53 well a cam-corder Feb 04 23:33:56 use camera button to record Feb 04 23:34:05 pwnguin: 10 bits per sec or so max I'd think :) Feb 04 23:34:08 newbie005, yeah, its the generic camera app.. Feb 04 23:34:17 like if I wanted to see the back of my head, I could turn it on then wait then look Feb 04 23:34:31 pwnguin, i sent over an accelerometer stream perfectly well Feb 04 23:34:35 see onedotzero videos for more Feb 04 23:34:39 its not rocket science Feb 04 23:34:45 hell, wiimotes do it over bt Feb 04 23:34:46 lcuk: you've missed his point twice now ;) Feb 04 23:34:56 thanks Feb 04 23:35:12 lcuk: he is saying have two phones touching each other, using the vibrator in one, and the acceleremoter in the other, and have one feel what the other is doing Feb 04 23:35:18 thus communicating. Feb 04 23:35:27 the other direction Feb 04 23:35:35 a speaker/mic communication would be useful Feb 04 23:35:45 oh, thats different again, but bumping does it Feb 04 23:35:46 how about bluetooth Feb 04 23:35:49 it passes on data Feb 04 23:35:52 and this does it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 Feb 04 23:35:55 I could transfere a file without a wire Feb 04 23:35:59 wazd, ok, gonna update :D Feb 04 23:36:00 doesnt have to be from another phone tho Feb 04 23:36:30 its better just having it remote tho and send over shakes from one to the other Feb 04 23:36:37 Nporn Feb 04 23:37:35 another thing I'd like is a website, showing new apps coming out of testing Feb 04 23:37:40 Any free program to convert avi's resolutions Feb 04 23:37:52 ffmpeg? Feb 04 23:38:10 * VDVsx hits El Cock with a rock :D Feb 04 23:38:23 VDVsx :D Feb 04 23:38:52 With gui and for windows. Feb 04 23:39:08 there is one called smart converter Feb 04 23:39:13 I think,, smart something Feb 04 23:39:38 but ffmpeg is better Feb 04 23:39:48 welcome Feb 04 23:39:53 i've bought n900 today Feb 04 23:40:07 "welcome"? Feb 04 23:40:13 you're not supposed to say that Feb 04 23:40:18 you're not welcoming us to your world :P Feb 04 23:40:22 lol Feb 04 23:40:26 well Feb 04 23:40:30 i have questions Feb 04 23:40:33 why not? it's polite Feb 04 23:40:40 newbie005: but ffmpeg doesnt have graphical user interface. Feb 04 23:40:43 "hello" Feb 04 23:40:56 no, not at all, I found smart on wikipedia Feb 04 23:41:08 is there a ssh client for it? Feb 04 23:41:11 it was drag drop and supported ipod and various other stuff Feb 04 23:41:14 jacekowski: yep and server Feb 04 23:41:20 jacekowski: just install openssh-client Feb 04 23:41:26 iPeter-: which means it's easier to automate, control remoltely and is more efficient Feb 04 23:41:27 crashanddie: how? Feb 04 23:41:36 jacekowski: application manager? Feb 04 23:41:55 enable maemo.org catalogue :) Feb 04 23:41:56 crashanddie: isn't it in testing or one of the non-stadard repos? Feb 04 23:42:03 Hmm Feb 04 23:42:05 mtnbkr: no Feb 04 23:42:06 it's just in extras Feb 04 23:42:06 jacekowski: get gainroot then you can use apt-get Feb 04 23:42:09 mtnbkr: it's in extras Feb 04 23:42:31 am i right in assuming that a .deb created for fremantle will not work on a stock n810? Feb 04 23:42:32 pr 1.1 has extras enabled by defaulr Feb 04 23:42:34 s/b end Feb 04 23:42:34 which from 1.1 is default enabled Feb 04 23:42:47 s,.*,, Feb 04 23:42:58 also, should i switch to Mer or is Maemo 4 still the preferred choice for the n810? Feb 04 23:43:14 RichiH_fosdem: it will work, the deb itself can be forced to install, however dependencies might fail Feb 04 23:43:35 richih_fosdem: fremantle debs wont work on chinook/diablo Feb 04 23:43:45 newbie005: So do you have a idea what program should i download Feb 04 23:43:47 crashanddie: i have half a dozen dnagling ones, yes :/ Feb 04 23:45:21 iPeter-: yeah I forgot, it was completely impossible to find the download link on the website,, just a second... {not being a smart-butt another website I had found had directions...} Feb 04 23:46:26 any other things that are worth to know? Feb 04 23:47:01 jacekowski: get Angry Birds :) Feb 04 23:47:14 jacekowski, are you running the last FW, make sure of that :) Feb 04 23:47:23 yes Angry birds :D Feb 04 23:47:26 iPeter: my apologies it's called Super at http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html Feb 04 23:47:44 psh angry birds Feb 04 23:47:51 lemme tell you about sgt-puzzles Feb 04 23:48:20 RichiH_fosdem: let me clarify that, the deb itself will probably work, however the glibc or other library versions might be completely out of sync Feb 04 23:48:24 iPeter: try this site: http://www.erightsoft.com/S6Kg1.html Feb 04 23:48:37 it is awesome Feb 04 23:48:45 VDVsx: i've updated it using app manager Feb 04 23:48:53 VDVsx: that 90MB update Feb 04 23:49:21 iPeter: you have to click a link to download from the first site I gave you, this link brings you to another page, a total of 3 links before you get to the exe Feb 04 23:49:25 and - how incompatible with vanilia linux is it ( besides of different CPU ) Feb 04 23:49:28 cool, so you are running PR 1.1 aka week 51 Feb 04 23:50:18 iPeter: there is no hint that you are on a different page, or getting closer, ultimately it brings you to the following link which I believe will not work until you go through the hassle http://www.erightsoft.org/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe Feb 04 23:50:48 this program has an ugly gui, but does everything, (including nintendo ds movies) Feb 04 23:51:05 also it uses ffmpeg (and mencoder) Feb 04 23:51:34 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4331448334/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330707963/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330707195/ Feb 04 23:51:43 let me know if you need more stuff Feb 04 23:52:03 jacekowski: how incompatible? it is linux just slightly older. not 2.6.31 Feb 04 23:52:28 well, X? Feb 04 23:52:44 normall gnu libc? Feb 04 23:52:49 yeah Feb 04 23:52:54 jacekowski, yes, it runs X, Feb 04 23:53:04 jacekowski, its stock linux Feb 04 23:53:10 busybox utils rather than stock fileutils and psutils Feb 04 23:53:20 that's coreutils these days now I think Feb 04 23:53:32 but you can have coreutils Feb 04 23:53:33 :D Feb 04 23:53:36 but you can install these, they just eat up disk Feb 04 23:53:51 and what's with that 2G avaliable for applications? Feb 04 23:53:53 you can install windows and MAC, so :D Feb 04 23:53:56 iPeter-: did you get it? Feb 04 23:54:06 VDVsx: cool, ta Feb 04 23:54:13 jacekowski: you can repartition Feb 04 23:54:27 wazd, I don't like the arrow color :D Feb 04 23:54:28 that's good idea - qemu with x86 emulation Feb 04 23:54:48 it's 256M /, 2gig /home /opt Feb 04 23:54:51 however 2GB isn't that bad especially with data on the the larger noexec partition Feb 04 23:54:56 VDVsx: why? :) Feb 04 23:55:05 yeah I'm totally going to install Windows Vista on mine so I can listen to mp3's Feb 04 23:55:13 jacekowski: I'm workong on that Feb 04 23:55:40 jacekowski: I've not see anyone run qemu in the usermode linuxy style yet Feb 04 23:55:43 newbie005: I got some crappy convert programs, cant think im so tired. Argh :D Feb 04 23:55:45 wazd, dunno very whiteee, probably I used to the blue one :D Feb 04 23:56:01 I've gogt the crosscompile env set up today Feb 04 23:56:08 Damion2: qemu can work in usermode with full software cpu emulation Feb 04 23:56:12 Damion2: they did it on psp Feb 04 23:56:15 VDVsx: isn't it supposed to be same color as font? :) Feb 04 23:56:17 Damion2: and on other platforms Feb 04 23:56:25 jacekowski: yeah I just said that :) Feb 04 23:56:28 VDVsx: and DIIIIIEEEE!!!!111 anyway :D Feb 04 23:56:35 iPeter-: that program will work pretty nicely, but good luck finding the download link. I'm not sure what the deal is with that website Feb 04 23:56:45 I mean I've not seen anyone compile it for maemo5 yet Feb 04 23:56:59 i'm thinking about iphone compatibility layer Feb 04 23:57:09 I assume it'll just be a ./configure option when I build it Feb 04 23:57:20 I want to do dalvik Feb 04 23:57:31 is there any decent navigation application avaliable? Feb 04 23:57:31 * VDVsx cancels wazd 's DHL package Feb 04 23:57:49 VDVsx: :( ((( Feb 04 23:57:51 jacekowski: I think a $$$ one is due any day Feb 04 23:57:55 javekowski: in my experiance the gps does not work Feb 04 23:58:17 newbie005: it's okay for me Feb 04 23:58:28 the a-gps doesn't seem to work through tmobile atleast Feb 04 23:58:30 VDVsx: I'm so rich that I use DHL to send an e-mail :D Feb 04 23:58:33 wazd, no, in the stock theme is blue, is suppose to be the same color as the task switcher and close button Feb 04 23:58:36 Damion2: any tips? like leave it outside for 3 hours? Feb 04 23:58:43 I guess Feb 04 23:58:47 newbie005: put a sim in Feb 04 23:58:47 and you need internet connectivity and to be outdoors Feb 04 23:58:51 is it t-mobile? Feb 04 23:58:58 I have t-mobile Feb 04 23:59:06 it's a bug not working without agps Feb 04 23:59:15 I finally found the real link :D Feb 04 23:59:16 could it be that I need to tell t-mobile that I use gps? Feb 04 23:59:51 my wireless worked just outside thehuse Feb 04 23:59:52 house Feb 04 23:59:52 Damion2: if you mean the network location thing, I always had both enabled Feb 04 23:59:56 there's a bugreport about it. Not sure if nokia's agps server is at fault, or if tmoile is interfering/blocking some types of internet traffic. Feb 05 00:00:23 but apparently it works, atleast for now, if you change supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com... Feb 05 00:00:28 I read the bugreport,, I think. It just said to enable that networking thing and wait longer Feb 05 00:00:34 it didn't work for me Feb 05 00:00:40 hmm Feb 05 00:00:55 VDVsx: what about gray? Feb 05 00:01:05 I might have failed on the waiting Feb 05 00:01:12 there is a h/ware command which might contain gps output Feb 05 00:01:27 it shows battery. let me see if I can find it Feb 05 00:01:37 wazd, yeah, like the close button :D :D Feb 05 00:02:26 Damion2: so someone was doing tests today and couldn't reproduce the failurw without agps. There's an open bug requesting more detailed information from people experiencing the bug, however so far people only whine and have not followed the instructions for gathering more information. I can only guess that it's not really that important for them ;-) Feb 05 00:03:47 well I have network and it kinda worksfor me and I cba testing sans sim Feb 05 00:04:02 oh but ovi on my n97 is broken Feb 05 00:04:21 the up.date app installed the new one with free nav Feb 05 00:04:38 but it seems to only want gprs for doing agps Feb 05 00:05:23 but my sim is in my n900, I have good wifi around Feb 05 00:05:38 anyone have any idea what's up? Feb 05 00:06:10 it's like you say, it wants gprs :) Feb 05 00:06:20 does it not use the cells it can see? Feb 05 00:07:18 Well there are two things, it looks at the CellID of the cell it's talking to, and queries a database over internet if that cell's location would be known Feb 05 00:07:50 VDVsx: ready for one more update? :D Feb 05 00:08:10 ShadowJK: why? some licencing thing? Feb 05 00:08:12 VDVsx: cause agenda view is still screwed :) Feb 05 00:08:15 and then it also downloads satellite data, and from its approximate position it knows what satellites are overhead in the sky Feb 05 00:08:19 wazd, sure Feb 05 00:08:25 why what? Feb 05 00:08:48 agps uses a gps and internet connection gprs cellid stuff shouldn't be needed Feb 05 00:09:07 it uses cellid to estimate your location Feb 05 00:09:15 which is needed for agps Feb 05 00:09:33 well google maps simply started to see satellites Feb 05 00:09:35 on N810 it just assumed you were near where you last used gps Feb 05 00:09:58 wazd, gtg now, but bbl (~40 min) Feb 05 00:10:26 ask Nokia Care why it wont download over wifi Feb 05 00:10:48 VDVsx: ok, I'll clean the mess up meanwhile Feb 05 00:14:05 that FM radio Feb 05 00:14:10 does it have RDS? Feb 05 00:14:16 0845! **ckers Feb 05 00:14:28 I'll call from work tomorrow Feb 05 00:14:38 hi there I've just gotten myself a n900 and having problems with the sip client I believe theres no packets being sent however I can't find tcpdump in any of the repos Feb 05 00:15:09 of course the real evil are uk mobile operators for charging a premium on local/cheap 08xx numbers Feb 05 00:15:43 it's not in sdk tools? Feb 05 00:15:44 08xx don't work at all in some countries Feb 05 00:15:57 on mobiles Feb 05 00:16:14 well they'll have their own nokia care numbers presumably Feb 05 00:16:21 Damion2, i disagree i've dealt with worse than british operators... try america and ireland they get charged for recieving and transmitting calls Feb 05 00:16:46 wazd: you made a mess? Feb 05 00:16:47 oh yeah charged for receiving text in usa made me furious Feb 05 00:17:11 Damion2: where are you from? Feb 05 00:17:18 * Caesium found tcpdump without needing any exotic repos apart from extras/extras-testing, don't think its in sdk or tools Feb 05 00:17:23 yeah Feb 05 00:17:27 american operators are bad Feb 05 00:17:29 Xisdibik: uk Feb 05 00:17:29 ok, maybe it wasn't a good idea to install those semi-experimental mscim packages afterall Feb 05 00:17:30 and expensive Feb 05 00:17:48 thanks Caesium Feb 05 00:17:59 Damion2: its pretty normal in the US, to get charged for texting while roaming, 25cents to recieve 35 cents to send, unless you have a SMS bundle, which then counts for recieving but still not sending Feb 05 00:18:12 It would seem that even removing the packages doesn't restore the original input method Feb 05 00:18:27 openstandards: I would tell you which repo it was in but dpkg doesn't support that :( Feb 05 00:19:04 oh if i install it it'll say Feb 05 00:19:42 :( I almost wonder if people installing directly from.deb files were previously winmo users Feb 05 00:19:50 Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free tcpdump 4.0.0-1 [394kB] Feb 05 00:20:08 hmm Feb 05 00:20:10 hmm Feb 05 00:20:21 that doesn't sound right Feb 05 00:20:22 Lumpio-: the ones from kimitake_idle didn't give me any fits after removal Feb 05 00:20:34 Xisdibik: well, I'm hacking around calendar overwhaul Feb 05 00:20:45 Xisdibik: agenda view is kinda weird Feb 05 00:20:49 though I don't think they supported anything but JP so that may not be relevant to you :/ Feb 05 00:20:59 Damion2: that doesn't tell you enough Feb 05 00:21:09 Actually that's what I'm looking for Feb 05 00:21:10 indeed Feb 05 00:21:12 wazd: ah, i suggest hacking in multiple calender sync support ;) Feb 05 00:21:23 Infact right now I'd be satisfied to get /any/ virtual keyboard back Feb 05 00:21:27 I installed polipo Feb 05 00:21:31 goddamnit any calendar sync would do Feb 05 00:21:36 other than exchange Feb 05 00:21:44 * LinuxCode facepalms Feb 05 00:21:48 2.6.28-omap1-jebba10-g5a58882 works Feb 05 00:21:51 I fixed my n810 gps issues Feb 05 00:21:53 Lumpio-: I hvae you rebooted? Feb 05 00:21:56 blah Feb 05 00:21:57 it said the same but needs gnu grep rather than busybox Feb 05 00:22:07 the hardware clock wasnt equal to what ntpd was setting Feb 05 00:22:10 doh! Feb 05 00:22:11 we need funambol support and opensync Feb 05 00:22:14 etc Feb 05 00:22:19 jebba: you've just got a working 1.1 booting? Feb 05 00:22:20 microlith: yep Feb 05 00:22:29 * LinuxCode will now forever stop bitching about the gps in the N810 Feb 05 00:22:34 Lumpio-: weird, and all of the packages are gone? Feb 05 00:22:53 At least the application manage app doesn't see anything mscim* related Feb 05 00:23:08 hmm Feb 05 00:23:42 that package set interfering with the virtual keyboard was known, and there was some resolution for it Feb 05 00:23:43 is there a cups implementation for the 900? Feb 05 00:23:53 i want to hook up to network printers Feb 05 00:23:56 I know it interferes with it. It replaces it. Feb 05 00:23:58 and such Feb 05 00:24:14 However I was pretty sure it was supposed to restore the original one when it's uninstalled Feb 05 00:24:36 Lumpio-: huh Feb 05 00:24:44 hello? Feb 05 00:24:44 must've been a different package set then Feb 05 00:24:52 :p Feb 05 00:24:53 spectre-: none that I've seen Feb 05 00:24:59 no cups no Feb 05 00:25:15 anyone know if something like that is in progress? Feb 05 00:25:16 jebba: congrats! so it works for you too now? why did you need to change postinst? Feb 05 00:25:22 oo neat, I can get it to pop up via gconf over SSH >_> Feb 05 00:25:25 Not very usable though. Feb 05 00:25:34 heh Feb 05 00:27:44 hmm Feb 05 00:27:47 t-tan: they have a new way of flashing the kernel so postinst needed changes Feb 05 00:28:09 Lumpio-: seems I have the same issue, as the vkbd won't pop up in the notes app with the slide clsosed Feb 05 00:28:11 closed* Feb 05 00:28:35 Xisdibik: have you installed 1.09 btw? Feb 05 00:28:41 t-tan: I simply replaced rx51_def_config from the PR1.1 original source with my own config Feb 05 00:28:51 Damion2: ya, i just got a PR1.1 kernel rebuilt. I followed up in this thread with some info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 Feb 05 00:29:20 meh Feb 05 00:29:30 I wonder where the input method settings are Feb 05 00:29:45 t-tan: i needed to bring *my* postinst in line with the new one. Feb 05 00:29:57 gconf lets me change the input method, but all that does is pop up whatever you set it to immediately Feb 05 00:30:41 jebba: how does your postinst differ from the original? Feb 05 00:31:26 right now i dont think it does ;) Feb 05 00:31:46 i just have a separate debian/ dir that I copy over and i didn't update that file Feb 05 00:31:50 jebba: did something flash the bootloading firmware of the n900 hardware so that after upgrading nobody could do their own kernels until this prerelease was released? Feb 05 00:32:25 Damion2: this explains it https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 Feb 05 00:32:27 Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found Feb 05 00:33:37 is it possible to make it work in portrait mode? Feb 05 00:33:51 jebba: do you know whether optimisation for speed (-O2) works? default is -Os Feb 05 00:34:01 it works Feb 05 00:34:56 jebba: do you know if a 2.6.>30 kernel can work and use the firmware blobs okay? Feb 05 00:35:20 blob! Feb 05 00:35:24 can most android apps run on maemo? Feb 05 00:36:05 t-tan: haven't tried -O2 Feb 05 00:36:25 Damion2: 2.6.30> won't work because no touchscreen (and probably other issues) Feb 05 00:36:25 qwer: no Feb 05 00:36:26 jebba: ok. I'm just reflashing with -O2. let's see... Feb 05 00:36:37 cool. Would be interesting to benchmark Feb 05 00:36:47 why, isn't a lot of android stuff already ported to linux? Feb 05 00:37:16 qwer: you don't beleive me or you have a proper experience to change it? :) Feb 05 00:37:28 qwer: android is java, not really "linux". So maemo would need a java interpreter that can use android apps. Feb 05 00:37:38 jebba: there are specific drivers in .28 that can't be pushed in to .30+ ? Feb 05 00:37:52 drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2005.c Feb 05 00:38:55 hm! Feb 05 00:38:56 jebba: yes. -O2 works. and it's 10x faster ;-) Feb 05 00:39:03 really? I mean really faster? Feb 05 00:39:04 This looks promising Feb 05 00:39:09 jebba: just kidding Feb 05 00:39:11 damn. Feb 05 00:39:16 i want 10x faster ;) Feb 05 00:39:25 jebba: but we need some benchmarks Feb 05 00:39:41 boot time would be a good one Feb 05 00:39:57 though -OS may win that Feb 05 00:40:38 okay, and that won't compile ? Feb 05 00:40:48 the lastest version incl source is now in my repository (see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420) Feb 05 00:41:28 jebba: I either try to get older drivers working or backport the wifi infrastructure stuff down Feb 05 00:42:25 Damion2: there was a post in December or November or so of a more recent tsc2005.c Feb 05 00:42:31 sorry, X died Feb 05 00:42:57 my question was that since more android stuff is being ported to linux, if soon most apps will work on maemo... Feb 05 00:43:01 Damion2: perhaps ask on maemo-devel where more recent drivers are. I think they are trying to get them mainlined. It would be nice in the interim if they just made them public., Feb 05 00:43:17 qwer: android is java, not really "linux". So maemo would need a java interpreter that can use android apps. Feb 05 00:43:49 okay, and no one has started working on one yet? Feb 05 00:44:18 a java interpreter for maemo? Not that i've heard of qwer Feb 05 00:44:20 qwer: I'm in a position to attempt it but lack time and ability Feb 05 00:44:31 oo, I got my virtual keyboard back Feb 05 00:44:42 damion2, in thoery, should it work just as well as android apps on android? Feb 05 00:44:48 qwer: I think I can get a dalvik interpreter Feb 05 00:44:54 or will all the features require lots of crazy work Feb 05 00:45:02 Now I just need to figure out what keeps overwriting my settings on reboot :I Feb 05 00:45:12 display isn't x11 though so dunno how that works Feb 05 00:45:39 it's dalvik not java Feb 05 00:46:15 jebba: and just the older .c file dropped in the newer kernel tree and makefiles doesn't work? Feb 05 00:46:17 an openJDK port would be nice, too Feb 05 00:46:27 how to copy .avi file to phone? Feb 05 00:46:30 I looked at that today Feb 05 00:46:46 there's a thread on tmo about n900 running java Feb 05 00:46:52 scp and wifi, jaacekowski? Feb 05 00:46:57 openjdk download page is a tab on my work desktop firefox Feb 05 00:47:25 Damion2: you could give it a try, but i doubt it. Feb 05 00:47:31 what about usb? Feb 05 00:47:32 ShadowJK: yes, SunJDK works, but it's closed and time-limited Feb 05 00:47:48 they might havde changes loads of kernel structure around it Feb 05 00:48:29 t-tan, what about openjdk? Feb 05 00:48:50 jacekowski: if nothing on the device is acessing MyDocs at the time, choosing mass storage mode when it asks will make the vfat partition appear as a usb-mass-storage drive on your pc Feb 05 00:49:20 well, i'm using windows at the moment Feb 05 00:49:23 and i connect it Feb 05 00:49:46 openstandards: In theory it should work, too. someone should port the latest lenny/lucid version to get a decent JIT. but it has lots of dependencies... Feb 05 00:49:49 are android apps bound to run much slower without the android os? Feb 05 00:50:03 android apps are bound to run slow Feb 05 00:50:10 becuase they are running trough shitty vm Feb 05 00:50:15 oh Feb 05 00:50:25 i can't actually think of any decent android apps.... Feb 05 00:50:25 you mean on maemo, right? Feb 05 00:50:31 that's not using jazzele Feb 05 00:50:32 no Feb 05 00:50:40 on android as well Feb 05 00:50:42 oh Feb 05 00:50:45 jazelle is worthless Feb 05 00:50:47 what about comparing the two Feb 05 00:50:48 all android apps run in dalvik vm Feb 05 00:50:53 google maps would be good Feb 05 00:50:54 theyll run about equally fast? Feb 05 00:51:03 qwer: there should be no difference really Feb 05 00:51:19 oh Feb 05 00:51:21 SWFu64, you can't run Google Maps. Feb 05 00:51:25 that would be awesome Feb 05 00:51:36 ShadowJK: when i connect it in storage mode i get 2 drives with No Media on them Feb 05 00:51:44 what about all of the hardware features? Feb 05 00:52:00 ShadowJK: jazelle isn't worthless Feb 05 00:52:23 well it doesn't really exist on A8 anyway Feb 05 00:52:26 java vm's using jazelle runs at least 30% faster Feb 05 00:52:39 Are a lot of you people staying on PR1 'till PR1.2 is out? Feb 05 00:52:54 No Feb 05 00:53:13 Hrm... I'm about to try downgrading due to my total inability to get a PR1.1 kernel to boot. Feb 05 00:53:21 Granted, the problem is likely me. Feb 05 00:53:31 anyone with OMWeather installed and ready to blow his n900? :) Feb 05 00:53:33 Anyone know what hildon-input-method-configurator does exactly? (Where does it get its settings from) Feb 05 00:54:10 jebba: that bug doesn't explain why a kernel built for 1.0 can be flashed but 1.1 can't. these are just a cimpiled zImage and the way to flash can be done via flasher yeah? Feb 05 00:54:11 http://deviate.fi/n900/mp3blaster/mp3blaster.png Feb 05 00:54:24 the n900 looks awesome, but I'm told 'it doesnt have the support' due to not running android apps... Feb 05 00:54:32 I'm not jebba! Feb 05 00:54:37 also, what carriers are you guys with n900s using? Feb 05 00:54:48 qwer, T-mobile. Feb 05 00:54:50 ScribbleJ: and I'm not talking to you :) Feb 05 00:54:58 Damion2, oh, hah. My bad. Feb 05 00:54:59 qwer: saunalahti Feb 05 00:55:07 (what a silly question) Feb 05 00:56:12 good night! Feb 05 00:56:14 jebba: unless the upgrade changed the way the kernel exists in the various nand flash block devices and now a phone side fiasco thingy flashes on the device itself ? Feb 05 00:56:20 wazd, re Feb 05 00:56:32 new stuff to test? Feb 05 00:56:33 qwer: o2 Feb 05 00:56:35 Damion2: i think you could still flash in PR1.1 with the "external" flasher-3.5 flasher Feb 05 00:56:37 did nokia successfully prevent tmo from rebranding the n900? Feb 05 00:56:52 jebba: but ppl didn't ? Feb 05 00:57:00 dunno Feb 05 00:57:00 o2? Feb 05 00:57:12 qwer: yes Feb 05 00:57:16 also, what carriers are you guys with n900s using? Feb 05 00:57:23 Damion2: in postinst how it is flashed is different too Feb 05 00:57:25 i've got unbranded t-mobile nokia from carphone warehouse Feb 05 00:57:26 VDVsx: yep Feb 05 00:57:37 Damion2: at&t in USA, Telecom Personal in argentina Feb 05 00:57:37 without simlock Feb 05 00:57:40 I think someone who isn't retarded could flash in a 1.1 kernel. That's not me, though. I can flash it on, boot it a little but the device always ends up powering down instead of reaching X11 Feb 05 00:57:59 VDVsx: still waiting for armel to appear Feb 05 00:58:00 jebba: sorry I was pasting qwer his question Feb 05 00:58:09 ScribbleJ: sounds like it can't find it's modules perhaps Feb 05 00:58:10 wazd, ah ok Feb 05 00:58:24 jebba - happens even if I compile an -omap1 rx51_config kernel. Feb 05 00:58:39 The /only/ kernel that boots for me is if I flash the one out of the Nokia install package. Feb 05 00:58:44 how you installing? You sure /lib/modules is ok? Feb 05 00:58:50 VDVsx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_1.095_all.deb Feb 05 00:58:52 I'm not sure, but it looks OK to me. Feb 05 00:59:13 exact same name so modules dir works? correct crosscomile flags so the kernel is the right arm type? Feb 05 00:59:22 make sure the correct dirs are there and there are actually .kos in the dir Feb 05 00:59:24 so... are Diablo builds on maemo.org officially deprecated or are just things FUBAR-d ? Feb 05 00:59:37 foobar afaict Feb 05 01:00:23 jebba: did you not try flashing via flasher? Feb 05 01:01:13 yur fiasco on-phone success is great, but I'm still struggling to work this out Feb 05 01:01:25 wazd: 1.09 of what? Feb 05 01:01:47 Xisdibik: Marina Feb 05 01:02:31 dunno, ive updated it a few times Feb 05 01:02:34 sec, checking for updates now Feb 05 01:02:49 grrrrrr Feb 05 01:02:58 how to copy .avi file over usb to phone Feb 05 01:05:45 anybody? Feb 05 01:06:08 like a thum drive Feb 05 01:06:09 how to install perl? Feb 05 01:06:10 Damion2: i did not try flashing it with the flasher-3.5 before today with PR1.1, no. Feb 05 01:06:11 jacekowski: if your pc didn't correctly see a drive then try rebooting Feb 05 01:06:25 jebba: okay Feb 05 01:06:59 You tried it today, jebba? Feb 05 01:07:17 jacekowski: if you attached via pc suite mode then get a usbnet driver for your os and then scp Feb 05 01:07:21 timeless: I wrote a 36-line review of problems in that 36-line function ;) Feb 05 01:07:37 sar3th: mine came with perl I think Feb 05 01:07:51 timeless: it's quite impressive really Feb 05 01:08:15 (the code, that is) Feb 05 01:08:23 Damion2: actually, you're right :O :D Feb 05 01:08:28 thanks Feb 05 01:11:13 someone with garage git here? Feb 05 01:11:30 when I start scratchbox by clicking on the icon. how do I compile my code? Did this in the konsole with my last installation Feb 05 01:12:59 ah. the icon starts xephyr. Feb 05 01:14:23 damn I get 405 and 502 errors at pushing Feb 05 01:14:36 sorry. just trying todo what the development guide says Feb 05 01:14:47 wazd, updating, what shots you want now ? Feb 05 01:15:07 VDVsx: just agenda view Feb 05 01:15:25 ok Feb 05 01:15:57 is openssl preinstalled? Feb 05 01:16:04 Git access via SSH is under development. *sigh* Feb 05 01:16:20 sp3000: thanks for pulling that in, clearly dinner got the better of me :( Feb 05 01:16:33 sar3th: just type these things in! Feb 05 01:17:26 timeless: is that dinner is still growing somewhere? ;) Feb 05 01:17:35 sar3th: openssl works for me but I may have installed something that pulled it in as a dependancy Feb 05 01:18:04 by now it might be quite formidable :D Feb 05 01:18:08 * sp3000 & Feb 05 01:19:50 wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330861713/ Feb 05 01:20:34 VDVsx: awesome :) Feb 05 01:20:35 sp3000: i think that dinner was the pasta plaec Feb 05 01:21:05 I ...must admit I don't recall, heh Feb 05 01:21:13 these flimsy screen protectors are trying to drive me insane, so I decided just not to use them Feb 05 01:21:24 VDVsx: are you satisfied with the arrow? :) Feb 05 01:22:01 wazd, yes :D Feb 05 01:22:02 hms okay fixed Feb 05 01:22:09 VDVsx: fine :) Feb 05 01:22:14 it's sad, but i think i do Feb 05 01:22:19 but really strange devname@vcs istn working Feb 05 01:23:00 can somebody recommend a unittesting framework for C? Feb 05 01:23:50 BASH! Feb 05 01:27:34 xorAxAx: cunit Feb 05 01:28:29 did somebody try glib testing? Feb 05 01:30:13 The greekradio package... is it just basically adding shortcuts to the streams in your media player or what? Feb 05 01:37:52 Link? Feb 05 01:39:14 http://maemo.org/packages/view/greekiradio/ Feb 05 01:39:39 lol Feb 05 01:39:45 "it was not clear what the app did until I saw 200 greek radio stations in the Media-Player. uninstalling the app should have removed them." Feb 05 01:40:41 lol Feb 05 01:41:01 Yeah, it's a python script that runs and inserts the stations. Hmm. Feb 05 01:41:46 zerojay, I've had steak and burgers and can't seem to remember to take out the N900. . . . Feb 05 01:42:07 I keep forgetting too. Feb 05 01:42:55 wazd: btw, i didnt have 1.09, updating now Feb 05 01:44:09 Would be cool to have a package install the di.fm stations. Feb 05 01:45:12 huhu Feb 05 01:45:20 jeje Feb 05 01:45:28 * zerojay mexican laugh? Feb 05 01:45:33 * timeless looks for people w/ too much time on their hands Feb 05 01:46:25 * GeneralAntilles runs. Feb 05 01:48:23 Xisdibik: there's 1.095 already in testing :) minor fix Feb 05 01:48:41 lol Feb 05 01:48:53 well i have testing in, so i guess i should have that :P Feb 05 01:50:49 Let me ask different. how are xephyr and scratchbox connected. when I start the sdk with the icon I have a totally running system. how can I enter scartchbox then? when I say /scratchbox/login I get: permission denied Feb 05 01:51:06 Please somebody help a beginner Feb 05 01:51:23 I haven't setup the scratchbox. Feb 05 01:51:23 just type scratchbox Feb 05 01:51:46 I do know that xephyr is just a special X server designed for displaying small emulated device windows on youtr desktop Feb 05 01:52:22 wizkoder_: seriously, even I was able to set up scratchbox, and I'm a brainless designer :D Feb 05 01:52:43 He's not lying. ;) Feb 05 01:52:47 * zerojay ducks for cover. Feb 05 01:53:45 Last time I always did newgrp and then /scratchbox/login. But it can't be that I have to do this all the time? Feb 05 01:53:51 *sigh* Feb 05 01:53:55 slow upload Feb 05 01:55:35 start xserver. export display of the scratchbox. and then "af-sb-init.sh start". I want an icon that does everything Feb 05 01:58:34 Guess I got it :-) Feb 05 02:04:23 Hey B-man Feb 05 02:09:31 hey dude Feb 05 02:12:54 * wazd1 wonders if his poor 450W PB can handle 2nd 9800GT and Phenom X3... Feb 05 02:24:56 i just found a new purpose for my neo freerunner Feb 05 02:25:41 my freerunner will now serve as a step under my n900's kick stand so it's raised at the right angle Feb 05 02:28:15 uhsf: That's cold. Feb 05 02:32:11 uhsf, I hear you can use it as an external battery pack, too. *g* Feb 05 02:33:05 with a usb cable i guess so, other good idea Feb 05 02:33:19 is there a use for the "pc suite" usb mode in linux? or should i always use the usm mode? Feb 05 02:33:41 uhsf: The question is, is there a "PC Suite" for Linux? Feb 05 02:33:43 puh Feb 05 02:33:48 push is through Feb 05 02:33:52 good nite Feb 05 02:34:32 uhsf, sure, if you want to tether. Feb 05 02:34:41 (and not bottleneck on Bluetooth) Feb 05 02:41:06 if i understand, there is no pc suite for linux, but the pc suite mode is used for usb networking in linux, like i did with my freerunner, which is more useful than usm mode, which i should keep for example to connect other people's pc to download files Feb 05 02:41:18 Yeah Feb 05 02:41:27 PC Suite is a bit of a misnomer, unfortunately. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 05 02:59:56 2010