**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 07 02:59:58 2010 Feb 07 03:17:50 erm Feb 07 03:17:59 why does my n900 tell me its fully charged, but its really at 90% Feb 07 03:18:04 jebba: ping Feb 07 03:18:17 drac: =~ s/its/it's/ Feb 07 03:20:13 jebba: can you give me space on mas:/dev/vdh1 ? Feb 07 03:20:48 (or anything w/ a couple of gigs of space, / doesn't even have 1gb) Feb 07 03:22:02 dracflamloc: battery protection? Feb 07 03:22:28 ? Feb 07 03:23:58 I think the battery charger and the battery meter are mostly unaware of eachother Feb 07 03:30:48 * timeless is rarely told that the battery is charged Feb 07 03:31:17 dracflamloc: how do you decide that it's @90% and what makes you think that the n900 told you it was fully charged? Feb 07 03:32:06 well Feb 07 03:32:16 the status light turned white while it was plugged in Feb 07 03:32:29 so i unplug, and the 'batlevel' program shows 90% Feb 07 03:32:47 * timeless thought 'green' meant fully charged.. Feb 07 03:33:04 i think the white is "charger not connected, device alive" Feb 07 03:33:09 pulsating white Feb 07 03:33:12 hm Feb 07 03:33:14 dunno what constant white is Feb 07 03:33:32 man i just got this thing yesterday and already im worried about messing up that usb port Feb 07 03:33:48 if it's fully charged, it will say so w/ text on the screen... Feb 07 03:33:57 i hear that some have grinded down the nubs on the charger/usb cable. Feb 07 03:33:57 (when it's not screen locked) Feb 07 03:33:58 ah Feb 07 03:34:06 i think it was screen locked tho Feb 07 03:37:14 The N900 always runs on battery, once it's charged it'll be draining the battery until the charge level drops sufficiently to restart charging Feb 07 03:37:31 anyway, it sound like you randomly guessed at the color scheme Feb 07 03:37:34 Theoretically you could keep the charger always on, keeping it constantly fully charged, but this is very hard on the battery Feb 07 03:37:36 and then accused it of lying Feb 07 03:37:44 uhm Feb 07 03:37:44 which is probably not the best way to go about things Feb 07 03:37:47 forgive me? Feb 07 03:38:02 sure, but piece of advice: next time, ask what the colors mean :) Feb 07 03:38:19 since your timeless i guess you've not made assumptions with that timeless wisdom ;) Feb 07 03:38:48 =~ s/your/you're/ Feb 07 03:38:56 timeless: there's actually a bug on bugzilla complaining about full != 100% ;) Feb 07 03:39:18 shadowjk: i can't say i'm surprised :) Feb 07 03:39:26 ah ha! Feb 07 03:39:38 Those batlevel things should probably have an option to filter the raw values in order not to confuse users :) Feb 07 03:39:47 heh Feb 07 03:40:09 no Feb 07 03:40:16 well lets just say that the n900 is the first of all the devices i've ever had, to not show 100% in 'raw' values when the charger says its fully charged Feb 07 03:40:18 odds are the raw values are more confusing ;-) Feb 07 03:41:06 i still want to know how you decided it thought it was fully charged Feb 07 03:41:16 it sure doesn't sound like you got the text message saying that Feb 07 03:41:32 dracflamloc, one popular method is to say full when charge reaches 70%, and silently continue charge in background, because the last 30% take a really long time... Feb 07 03:41:33 the screen was locked Feb 07 03:41:37 there's a second text message that tells you to unplug the charger Feb 07 03:41:52 anyway Feb 07 03:42:08 drac: we've already indicated that white is basically 'i'm alive and wasting power' Feb 07 03:42:19 yes Feb 07 03:42:22 '(but my screen is dark, that's why i'm white)' Feb 07 03:42:59 * ShadowJK wonders if timeless has slept Feb 07 03:43:08 not recently Feb 07 03:43:12 timeless: huh? isn't white the least power-consuming? Feb 07 03:43:16 yesterday i was waiting to throw up Feb 07 03:43:31 luke: powered off wastes less power Feb 07 03:43:32 luke-jr, the most power-consuming I think? Feb 07 03:43:40 timeless: well, yeah... :P Feb 07 03:43:45 and no, it isn't wasting 0 Feb 07 03:43:58 removing the battery will probably waste less Feb 07 03:44:03 white takes more power to produce than red I think? Feb 07 03:44:10 and again, probably technically still >0 Feb 07 03:44:15 ShadowJK: IIRC, white is the default of LCD Feb 07 03:44:27 luke-jr, not the LED though Feb 07 03:44:48 ... Feb 07 03:45:03 wow jagged alliance data folder is 10,000 files Feb 07 03:45:18 guess i should tar those and untar them right on the phone Feb 07 03:45:32 They're usually 3 led's on a single die/package, red green blue.. all 3 needed to produce white Feb 07 03:45:49 and not white led with a 1-pixel large LCD infront Feb 07 03:47:52 you need two /'s if you want root Feb 07 03:47:56 it's documented somewhere Feb 07 03:48:01 oops Feb 07 03:48:08 Oh you mean white on the screen, not status light, consuming least power? Feb 07 03:48:31 yeah... on SmartQ7 you can turn off LCD but keep backlight.. the screen fades to white :D Feb 07 04:16:46 ShadowJK: yeah - there are three LEDs in one little package. The blue is probably the most efficient in terms of light output per unit of power in - but the eye sucks at blue. green or red are probably slightly more efficient. in practice - an equal brightness of light will probably use more or less the same power to within 50% Feb 07 04:16:56 whatever the colour Feb 07 04:17:53 awesome Feb 07 04:18:02 now explain why people pimp their cars with blue headlights Feb 07 04:18:08 ;) Feb 07 04:18:16 'cause they're ass-hats. Feb 07 04:18:39 :) Feb 07 04:18:52 More seriously - HID lights - are considerably more efficient and produce more light output per watt. And it's a better light to see with. Feb 07 04:18:53 But. Feb 07 04:18:56 I was expecting rayleigh and what not, but that's good enough Feb 07 04:19:11 Unless very carefully adjusted - they can dazzle other drivers badly. Feb 07 04:19:53 Even in some cases if they are carefully and properly adjusted - and an unlucky road layout Feb 07 04:21:13 hi Feb 07 04:21:18 I remember when yellow was pop Feb 07 04:21:43 oh man, yellow lights sucked Feb 07 04:22:10 Reterofitted lights need lots of clue to work right. Feb 07 04:22:23 i need help Feb 07 04:22:25 for some reason, in Belgium, the surface of the roads had a specific property that when it rained and you were in a car that had yellow lights, the whole road would light up Feb 07 04:22:36 danny: With? Feb 07 04:22:50 math Feb 07 04:22:55 danny: wrong channel Feb 07 04:22:55 danny: Do you have a man-eating lump of animated cheese hammering at your window trying to kill you? Feb 07 04:23:08 no Feb 07 04:24:01 BTW, guys Feb 07 04:24:15 you don't think it's interesting we don't have an explanation of Maemo is in our topic? Feb 07 04:24:32 not enough room Feb 07 04:24:32 not really. Feb 07 04:38:48 Uploading 1.5gig worth of photos to flickr on the hotel wifi maybe wasn't such a good idea after all Feb 07 04:39:04 ..... Feb 07 04:41:22 I don't know why I'm reminded of this discussion I had with a University system admin Feb 07 04:42:03 He explained that in order to make sure that all large uploads to their FTPs/whatever sharing service it was, people were recommended to download the file again, and make sure that the old file had the same hash as the new one Feb 07 04:42:47 A couple of months after I'd raised my concerns, I saw the guy again, and asked him: "So how's that whole double-upload/download working out for ya?" Feb 07 04:43:23 The answer was unique, and I'll never forget it: "I was fired last month after they received the bandwidth usage statistics" Feb 07 04:45:59 Maybe I'm confused. If they didn't have the bandwidth for people to download something after they uploaded it, what was the point of having an FTP to begin with? Feb 07 04:47:26 Oh my bad, forgot to mention a pretty important point: upload was internal, download was external Feb 07 04:48:46 which it obviously wasn't supposed to be Feb 07 04:58:31 weird Feb 07 05:01:20 * DocScrutinizer sighs and points to backscroll of this very channel while reading about battery-at-90% Feb 07 05:04:45 hm Feb 07 05:05:15 so whats the actual path to the "n900" and microsd card from terminal? Feb 07 05:06:32 N900 is /home/user/MyDocs Feb 07 05:07:29 uSD probably something like /media/card or /mnt or sth Feb 07 05:07:40 will multitouch work with maemo's google maps? Feb 07 05:07:57 which multitouch? Feb 07 05:08:09 oh n900 Feb 07 05:08:14 thanks Feb 07 05:08:27 N900 has no multitouch Feb 07 05:08:36 I'm comparing nexus one, droid, and maemo - cause I'd prefer OSS, but I want power too Feb 07 05:08:44 ah, thanks docscrutinizer Feb 07 05:11:19 dracflamloc: for battery you might find http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers interesting Feb 07 05:16:39 tx Feb 07 05:25:52 how do i install 'easy debian' Feb 07 05:26:34 dracflamloc: GOOGLE Feb 07 05:26:40 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLEEEEEEEEE Feb 07 05:26:41 yea im trying Feb 07 05:26:55 what's easy debian? i installed the synergy binary from easy debian but i don't know the purpose of easy debian Feb 07 05:29:21 uhsf: easy debian is a chroot allowing you to run all of debian's pre-packaged apps Feb 07 05:30:08 ah i had searched for 'debian' Feb 07 05:30:10 not 'deb' Feb 07 05:32:39 woot, here we go! Feb 07 05:46:25 http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4336160423/ Feb 07 05:48:05 any of you guys post useful stuff to twitter? Feb 07 05:48:20 twitter is capable of useful content? Feb 07 05:48:25 lol j/k Feb 07 05:48:35 ha Feb 07 05:48:39 yea i know Feb 07 05:48:41 hard to believe Feb 07 05:49:04 there are penty of other resources that work better I'd imagine Feb 07 05:49:45 dracflamloc: are you following mwkn? Feb 07 05:50:34 http://twitter.com/mwkn Feb 07 05:50:42 nah i only follow a few coders i know so far Feb 07 05:51:26 dracflamloc: check it out, it's not too shabby Feb 07 05:51:37 will do Feb 07 06:46:51 ShadowJK: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob_plain;f=drivers/power/gta01_battery.c;hb=andy-tracking Feb 07 06:47:29 PaulFertser: possible to wire that to BME? :P Feb 07 06:47:30 err Feb 07 06:47:35 to Nxx0 battery* Feb 07 06:47:36 :) Feb 07 06:47:59 luke-jr: :))) if there's a way to measure battery voltage somehow (in-kernel), yes. Feb 07 06:48:52 BME o_o Feb 07 06:58:33 I'm bored Feb 07 06:58:58 just came back from work Feb 07 06:59:42 asj_: any restaurants you'd recommend for tonight? Feb 07 07:36:39 how can you start a debbie-based program without the top-bar from maemo? Feb 07 07:54:54 anyone home? Feb 07 07:55:04 how do i use 'hardware keys' Feb 07 07:55:25 Select the "Set Debian HW Keys" menu item; wait a bit, then you can press the minus (-) hardware key followed by the "fullscreen" hardware key to toggle fullscreen for any app. Feb 07 08:22:14 any news when new minor firmware will be released? Feb 07 08:28:06 feb 8th Feb 07 08:51:17 How can I authorize/get authorication icq contacts? Feb 07 08:51:43 is anyone having canola2 as media player installed ? Feb 07 08:51:44 I only see numbers as contacts... Feb 07 08:52:24 i have installed the additional codecs Feb 07 08:52:32 they work great Feb 07 08:53:00 now I can play all videos but one I have here Feb 07 08:53:24 the default media player send out a high pitch tone to my stereo canola doesn't do this Feb 07 08:54:19 but when listening to a track in canola it sometimes suddenly send a piece of a other track on my phone for 3 or 4 seconds Feb 07 08:54:35 really weird Feb 07 08:59:35 hello, I'm trying to test the espeak in maemo more no sound. somebody did? Feb 07 09:00:03 anyone uses icq contacts for n900? Feb 07 09:03:53 Hi, Where does Tasks actually store the tasks database? Feb 07 09:09:03 markus23 let me just install icq and retrieve my icq stuff i haven'd use for years ;D Feb 07 09:11:11 someone already successfully tested the espeak? Feb 07 09:18:41 markus23 what have you installed to use icq ? in conversations or a seperate app Feb 07 09:36:47 I found with gtalk that I got a quick screen notification to accept contacts, I think if I missed it, it was hard to have the chance again Feb 07 09:38:01 I need recommendations for takeaway food tonight Feb 07 09:38:46 qemu-i386 ./toppler runs at about 75% ! full sdl app Feb 07 09:40:43 it feels more like p120 than 486dx40 some were estimating Feb 07 09:41:59 it helps that native kernel and Xorg are involved in much of the work vs full pc h/ware emulation Feb 07 09:43:11 hi Feb 07 09:44:58 mdbus needs to be in extras Feb 07 09:47:16 mourning Feb 07 09:54:22 Hi, Where does Tasks actually store the tasks database? Feb 07 09:54:35 calendardb doesn't seem to have it Feb 07 09:55:43 I stand corrected, there it is. Feb 07 10:02:31 * asj_ yawns Feb 07 10:12:41 Morning, all Feb 07 10:12:46 eening Feb 07 10:14:17 re Feb 07 10:17:22 hmhm, is angry birds available for other handsets? Feb 07 10:17:30 (n810? other phones from other brands?) Feb 07 10:18:13 Corsac: iPhone, IIRC Feb 07 10:45:09 what is angry birds? Feb 07 10:46:03 asj_: Fun little game in the Ovi store Feb 07 10:46:09 ah ok Feb 07 10:46:17 there's something useful there? ;) Feb 07 10:46:21 asj_: http://store.ovi.com/content/23158?clickSource=browse&contentArea=games Feb 07 10:46:25 asj_: That's about it ;-) Feb 07 10:55:51 lovely, ovi store can't send to my phone Feb 07 10:59:27 asj_: but there is nothing there to send anyway :P Feb 07 10:59:44 fragment: well, other than angry birds Feb 07 11:12:41 hi, does anybody know why is ssh so unobeying? i had to /etc/init.d/ssh stop it about 20 times, then sigkill the process itself (it spawned again by itself) and now, i hope it is gone for a while Feb 07 11:18:02 quiet Feb 07 11:18:45 I get this when trying to run maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py: TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str' Feb 07 11:19:24 this is on a newly installed debian sid chroot with python-qt4 4.7-2 Feb 07 11:20:03 urgh Feb 07 11:22:52 13:00 aw 1124 Daniel Stone :) Feb 07 11:23:09 anybody watching tannenbaum ? Feb 07 11:30:05 Hello, does anyone know whether it's possible to undo a screen calibration of N900? I calibrated it, but now it's worse than before, so i'd like to go back to the previous situation. Any suggestions? Feb 07 11:48:47 * RST38h yawns Feb 07 11:50:23 * RST38h found why his N900 ends up unnlocked every morning: for some reason, PR1.1 makes it unlock every time the charger is plugged in Feb 07 11:51:12 unlocked? Feb 07 11:51:40 yes Feb 07 11:52:14 and, talking about unlocking, what is the default code? Feb 07 11:52:23 (if i want to change it) Feb 07 11:52:28 "The HoneyGrid scans 40 million Web sites and 10 million emails, so it was bound to find something interesting. Among the things it found was that a staggering 95% of User Generated Content is either malicious in nature or spam." Feb 07 11:52:40 * RST38h cackles evilly Feb 07 11:52:47 honeygrid? Feb 07 11:53:22 wait a minute Feb 07 11:53:30 it scans 10 million emails?? Feb 07 11:53:36 like, personal emails? Feb 07 11:56:38 Hello, does anyone know whether it's possible to undo a screen calibration of N900? I calibrated it, but now it's worse than before, so i'd like to go back to the previous situation. Any suggestions? Feb 07 11:57:49 calibrate it better :) Feb 07 11:58:29 In dunno, i'm afraid of making it even worse Feb 07 11:59:09 so, do you know if can be nudone? Feb 07 11:59:15 *undone Feb 07 11:59:37 well, i dont really think that it is possible Feb 07 11:59:49 Lucius: Yes. And all it gets is "what is the default code honeygrid? wait a minut it scans 10 million emails like personal emails" Feb 07 12:00:01 "well i dont really think it is possible" Feb 07 12:00:08 eh? Feb 07 12:00:18 Lucius: Do you see why they claim 95% of that stuff to be garbage now? :) Feb 07 12:00:59 well, everything looks like garbage without context Feb 07 12:02:26 wazd moo Feb 07 12:03:32 mootoo Feb 07 12:04:32 mootoo? Feb 07 12:22:02 Any di.fm fans here? Feb 07 12:22:52 you? Feb 07 12:23:23 How does ssh to the device work for you guys when wlan is in power save mode? O_o Feb 07 12:23:27 I never get connection that way Feb 07 12:23:57 Just working on a package that will add all the di.fm streams to media player when installed. Feb 07 12:24:15 Dassu: Set powersave to intermediate instead of max. Feb 07 12:24:30 Dassu: depends which router I'm on Feb 07 12:25:04 Dassu: in the London office, doesn't work. At home in London it works fine, at the PAT in Brisbane doesn't work either Feb 07 12:25:19 Dassu: works fine with my Draytek router/ap Feb 07 12:25:36 works just fine on mine Feb 07 12:25:45 on max Feb 07 12:26:40 :/ Feb 07 12:26:51 I alwasy have to set my Power save to none. Feb 07 12:27:39 hmm Feb 07 12:27:40 Dassu: well, the reason your N900 doesn't work with SSH then is because the battery drained in 48.3 seconds Feb 07 12:27:44 seems to work with medium as well Feb 07 12:27:50 lol Feb 07 12:27:51 in other words, don't set power save to none Feb 07 12:28:11 crashanddie: It can last for like 8hours Feb 07 12:28:33 Nope, doesn't work with medium anymore Feb 07 12:28:41 you but, like, it's not like it won't like liking what I have, which unlike yours, is like 3 days! Feb 07 12:28:42 I guess I have to create a switch for this Feb 07 12:29:08 crashanddie: Dont care about 3 days If the recharger is right next to me Feb 07 12:29:42 So you bought a mobile device because you never leave home? Makes sense Feb 07 12:29:52 * crashanddie deactivates House mode Feb 07 12:30:12 crashanddie: not sure how you manage to keep it 3 days Feb 07 12:30:25 I can't make it last more than 36h Feb 07 12:30:30 or maybe 40-45 Feb 07 12:30:45 ciao Feb 07 12:30:50 Corsac: I dunno, I charged it last on Friday and now it's beeping Feb 07 12:30:51 !list Feb 07 12:31:08 crashanddie: dude Feb 07 12:31:36 crashanddie: I'm not gonna ssh to my device from anywhere else than home. So problem doesn't exist in elsewhere Feb 07 12:32:42 zerojay: favourite picture of all those I've taken yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4336878936/sizes/l/ Feb 07 12:32:51 sorry, GeneralAntilles ^ Feb 07 12:33:22 crashanddie: I had to give in and introduce a tiny bit of PHP into the existing mwkn.net site (under `resources' in svn) just to handle issue lists Feb 07 12:33:41 Jaffa: no sweat Feb 07 12:33:42 crashanddie: Cool photo Feb 07 12:35:52 Jaffa: yes I've seen them, remember we cooked the wiki page together? :) Feb 07 12:38:15 crashanddie: Wow. Feb 07 12:39:18 lol... some guy in a photography channel just asked me why my pictures were blurry... Feb 07 12:39:27 that's shallow depth of field, bru Feb 07 12:39:51 how big is that snake - 2cm across? Feb 07 12:40:00 no - 1.5 Feb 07 12:40:46 SpeedEvil: bit more than that Feb 07 12:40:55 or the noise reduction Feb 07 12:40:55 SpeedEvil: depends what you mean by "across" Feb 07 12:41:03 Corsac: Yeah, thought we might've done - but it was a while ago and my mind is failing :-/ Feb 07 12:41:11 :) Feb 07 12:41:16 Jaffa: were you at the talk? Feb 07 12:41:17 crashanddie: diameter Feb 07 12:41:42 SpeedEvil: maybe a bit more than 2cm, probably 4 Feb 07 12:42:16 Jaffa: thanks Feb 07 12:42:17 Corsac: No, didn't make it to FOSDEM. Feb 07 12:42:43 Corsac: Didn't even consider going until someone asked. I'm not used to thinking of myself as a somebody who people might like to meet ;-) Feb 07 12:43:00 Jaffa: don't be that humble, you're not that great Feb 07 12:43:07 well, you might have wanted to go to the talks :) Feb 07 12:43:31 Yes he is! He invented those lovely cakes. Feb 07 12:43:35 crashanddie: Good point. Feb 07 12:43:47 SpeedEvil: Yeah, but I stupidly gave them away so I don't get 'em anymore :-( Feb 07 12:44:15 Corsac: Indeed. If nothing else, would give me some more content for tonight's MWKN Feb 07 12:44:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa Feb 07 12:44:58 quote from that page: "Jaffa suffers from drug problems, high crime rates and violence." Feb 07 12:45:10 ahaha Feb 07 12:45:18 Hehe Feb 07 12:45:31 it would appear Jaffa is a bit gay: "Jaffa's Jewish population is a mix of "old-timers" who settled in the city in the 1950s and 1960s" Feb 07 12:45:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_orange is the closest to the origin of the nick. "very sweet" Feb 07 12:46:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots Feb 07 12:47:03 Corsac: http://fosdem.org/2010/interview/elena-reshetova looks appropriate Feb 07 12:47:16 yeah, it almost decided me to go :) Feb 07 12:47:18 mmmm jaffa cakes Feb 07 12:47:40 Heh, Elena Feb 07 12:47:54 we're not done with her yet Feb 07 12:48:10 I have great plans for her Feb 07 12:48:50 Nothing to do with a ballgag, I hope. Feb 07 12:49:07 no, I already told you the ballgag was yours only Feb 07 12:49:12 stop being so insecure, goddamnit Feb 07 12:49:30 that sounds interesting Feb 07 12:49:54 goddamnit, now I want jaffa cakes Feb 07 12:49:54 zerojay: you have no idea how hard it was to deflect that on you rather than throw in a cheap "your mom" line Feb 07 12:50:11 crashanddie: I appreciate the effort. :) Feb 07 12:50:26 that's what she said Feb 07 12:51:03 Heh Feb 07 12:52:09 Jaffa: I didn't have to work on Saturday afternoon, so I thought I'd go to the zoo, take some pictures, and get drunk during the evening Feb 07 12:52:18 bastards called me in today... Feb 07 12:52:24 crashanddie: Sounds like a perfec... oh. Feb 07 12:53:02 anyway, going to try and watch something on the crap wifi, and then off to bed Feb 07 12:53:09 'night all Feb 07 12:53:14 Cy Feb 07 12:53:15 +A Feb 07 12:58:05 btw: I WANT MORE V Feb 07 12:58:23 That little Lisa kid in V? Djeezus Feb 07 12:59:47 I mean... seriously? http://blog.hdscreencaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Laura_Vandervoort_0001.jpg Feb 07 13:02:53 starts back in march right? Feb 07 13:03:01 aye Feb 07 13:03:10 bbl, rebooting Feb 07 13:04:46 hi Feb 07 13:06:45 4 streams done... 31 to go. :/ Feb 07 13:08:39 anyone using stellarium? Feb 07 13:09:45 Hi there all Feb 07 13:09:49 hi Feb 07 13:16:58 how old is lisa supposed to be? Feb 07 13:17:20 is this a remake and she's the one who gets knolckedd up by the alien? Feb 07 13:18:37 lol changing the transitions.ini file is fun Feb 07 13:18:52 set the rotation angle to 360 Feb 07 13:22:34 i think she's supposed to be an alien Feb 07 13:23:25 Damion2: yeah, she's an alien Feb 07 13:23:37 Damion2: the one who gets knocked up is a black chick, don't remember her name Feb 07 13:28:31 V? Who mentioned V? They are returning V? Feb 07 13:31:26 I'm thinking about opening a gym, it will only be open on Sunday mornings, and it'll be called "Jehova's Fitness" Feb 07 13:32:55 crashanddie: "Burn Your Fat for Jesus!" Feb 07 13:33:10 (also minimizes stigmata size) Feb 07 13:33:57 And the Lord said unto John: "Come forth and receive eternal life." Feb 07 13:33:58 there actually is this volunteer thing going on in Finland Feb 07 13:34:05 But John came fifth and won a toaster Feb 07 13:34:11 the eula link on http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners#Nokia_binaries_installation is broken Feb 07 13:34:16 Lose your weight for Education in Nepal Feb 07 13:34:27 your weight? Feb 07 13:34:29 Your whole weight? Feb 07 13:34:31 everything? Feb 07 13:34:39 That gives a whole new meaning to "Burn your fat" Feb 07 13:35:08 some millionaire promised to pay 15€ per lost kilo to a development project in Nepal to aid education Feb 07 13:36:10 * SpeedEvil lost weight with the n900! Feb 07 13:36:19 koala_man, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php Feb 07 13:36:22 ok, so on average that's a 150euro pledge per person, how many participate? Feb 07 13:36:32 so for every kilo of weight you lose, the development project gets money. There's the Finnish institute for health and wellbeing monitoring it, and some church councils and official offices are participating Feb 07 13:36:35 there was a |Maemo at the end Feb 07 13:36:55 Seriously - I could barely afford it - but I decided that with planned low-calorie/inexpensive meals - I could subsidise it from the diet. And lose weight too! :) Feb 07 13:37:19 http://www.thl.fi/en_US/web/en/pressrelease?id=21864 Feb 07 13:37:29 http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif :) Feb 07 13:39:32 Myrtti: nice. does it work the other way as well? Feb 07 13:39:37 koala_man, wiki edited Feb 07 13:39:47 thanks for pointing it out :) Feb 07 13:39:54 yay, thanks Feb 07 13:39:58 SpeedEvil: how are you achieve such consistency? Feb 07 13:40:14 s/ve/ving/ Feb 07 13:40:15 crashanddie meant: SpeedEvil: how are you achieving such consistency? Feb 07 13:40:57 hey :p Feb 07 13:43:25 umm Feb 07 13:43:44 my n900 has a charging only indicator in the pop down status menu Feb 07 13:43:50 applets area Feb 07 13:44:12 the USB cable isn't connected, what's that area's name? systemui? Feb 07 13:44:46 crashanddie: caloric defecit. Feb 07 13:45:18 SpeedEvil: impressive, building muscle as well? Feb 07 13:45:29 crashanddie: just maintaining ATM - losing fat Feb 07 13:45:58 crashanddie: -1000 calories/day (from my ~2700 or so baseline) = ~1Kg/week loss Feb 07 13:46:12 SpeedEvil: you do realise that the first thing that goes when you do a calorific burn kills most of your muscles first,right? Feb 07 13:46:19 slowed down recently to approach more gradually Feb 07 13:46:32 1700kcal per day? jesus Feb 07 13:46:35 crashanddie: I am not finding that I am getting any weaker on tests I'm doing. Feb 07 13:47:01 SpeedEvil: no, but you should be getting stronger Feb 07 13:47:10 SpeedEvil: anyway, whatever works for you, good luck Feb 07 13:47:27 crashanddie: Got other problems - post viral fatigue syndrome - that makes excersize a real problem. Feb 07 13:47:39 But am doing as much as I can. Feb 07 13:47:57 don't be a pussy :P Feb 07 13:48:32 just go to a local tall building, run up and down the stairs a couple of time, go back home, undust those dumbells and do some abs, you'll be fine Feb 07 13:49:03 Unfortunately, if I exert myself as much as I can on one or two days - I can have _no_ energy and difficulty thinking clearly for up to several months. Feb 07 13:49:05 * RST38h moos at Myrtti Feb 07 13:49:07 dumbells, you get a good 40kg set for roughly 60euros, running shoes for roughly the same, so if you bargain, 100euros and you're set for life :P Feb 07 13:49:57 Ok, seeing that half the regulars are here, whose N900 goes out of locked mode when you plug it into the charger? Feb 07 13:50:07 RST38h: not mine Feb 07 13:50:17 oh Feb 07 13:50:27 RST38h: locked as in keyboard locked or passcode locked? Feb 07 13:50:31 if you set 'display always on during charger plugged in' - it may do that Feb 07 13:50:44 cehteh: Locked as in locked with the sliding switch Feb 07 13:50:59 Speed: Hmmm...ok, lemme see if it got set by chance Feb 07 13:51:20 yes mine wakes up .. i have the 'display always on, when on charger' enabled too Feb 07 13:51:51 no, not set Feb 07 13:52:16 are this screen-blinking apps which shall fix stuck pixels a myth or actually working? Feb 07 13:52:28 myth Feb 07 13:52:49 guessed so Feb 07 13:53:13 They do work from time to time. Feb 07 13:53:48 for what is the 'power saving' on the screen preferences? Feb 07 13:53:54 hmm, no, my N900 always goes unlocked when charged Feb 07 13:54:04 i mean we have 'turn off after n secs' Feb 07 13:54:19 * cehteh tries Feb 07 13:54:33 yes mine too Feb 07 13:54:50 Have you got a final one or a dev unit? Feb 07 13:54:57 final Feb 07 13:55:02 wtf? Feb 07 13:55:11 Weird. Never did that before 51.1 Feb 07 13:55:12 with new firmware Feb 07 13:55:16 ahaha... elderly care home overlooking a funeral director... Feb 07 13:55:21 yes iirc thats a regression Feb 07 13:55:22 that's a classic Feb 07 14:00:01 test Feb 07 14:00:17 ator Feb 07 14:01:13 Lovely Feb 07 14:05:44 This device is the best thing ever. Feb 07 14:06:52 This, or the wheel. Feb 07 14:14:25 why don't I see the mention of firearms in this context? Feb 07 14:19:41 you don't have a bluetooth phalanx system? Feb 07 14:21:01 * crashanddie cocks a glock and aims at RST38h Feb 07 14:21:05 happy now? Feb 07 14:21:10 oh yessss Feb 07 14:21:18 * RST38h found the wiki page about V 2009 season Feb 07 14:21:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS I got one in the box with the n900 Feb 07 14:21:35 Weird how things transform with time... Feb 07 14:21:44 everyone i show my phone to that have things like sony experias and the lige just gape in awe Feb 07 14:25:21 urm... why doesnt my 12volt car2usb adapter charge my n900? Feb 07 14:25:58 have you measured the output voltage? Feb 07 14:26:18 well it charged my old TYTNII are the voltage speccs different? Feb 07 14:26:33 between micro/mini usb? Feb 07 14:26:40 no Feb 07 14:26:59 do you mean no charge at all? Feb 07 14:27:03 yeah Feb 07 14:27:09 I don't think most adaptors can supply the current. Feb 07 14:27:10 doesnt even light up Feb 07 14:27:15 I don't think it has to do with the voltage. Feb 07 14:27:22 ok Feb 07 14:27:25 the n900 seems to need to draw a lot of current Feb 07 14:27:32 500mA shouldn't be hard to draw from a car battery Feb 07 14:27:39 you're not alone Feb 07 14:27:40 not really no Feb 07 14:27:42 Is the charger a dumb one? Feb 07 14:27:42 it should charge from low current Feb 07 14:27:44 It's not the car. Feb 07 14:27:46 it's the charger. Feb 07 14:27:51 in principle Feb 07 14:27:56 N900evil: it doesn't. Feb 07 14:28:03 If it's just a voltage converter, the N900 might not even try to charge from it Feb 07 14:28:07 does maps still require internet connectivity? Feb 07 14:28:23 Because the USB spec requires that you can't draw over 100mA without asking the USB host for a permission Feb 07 14:28:28 well it seems as if n900 doesnt want to charge it Feb 07 14:28:30 ...and a dumb voltage converter isn't going to respond Feb 07 14:28:44 Lumpio-, it does according to L3/L4 manual Feb 07 14:28:46 I have no idea about that part of the N900 though, so I'm just guessing. Feb 07 14:29:05 if the d pins are shorted Feb 07 14:29:08 ok so I have to buy a specific Nokia charger? Feb 07 14:29:12 oo Feb 07 14:29:15 Never heard of that >_> Feb 07 14:29:21 to indicate it's a charger Feb 07 14:29:24 I must've skipped that part of the USB spec Feb 07 14:29:28 newish spec Feb 07 14:29:38 couple of years Feb 07 14:29:48 solpete: I suspect you don't need a Nokia one; just a good one. Feb 07 14:30:03 supporting dumb high current chargers Feb 07 14:30:35 okay Feb 07 14:30:41 works fine with blackberry charger Feb 07 14:31:14 I guess the fuse wont burn in my car, its not that power hungry I hope hehe Feb 07 14:32:45 ...maybe the car charger doesn't know of the spec :P Feb 07 14:33:53 I fit's under a year old, wquite likely Feb 07 14:35:22 Heh... So many people asking for UAE and *none* of them tried porting it. Feb 07 14:35:39 The best they can do is take pupnik's binary and try running it on n900. Feb 07 14:36:07 uae? Feb 07 14:36:08 We are not even talking about writing the thing from scratch, just compiling it Feb 07 14:36:48 RST38h: You mean... use the COMMAND-LINE? That's so hard! Feb 07 14:37:05 derf: what is "COMAND-LINE"? Feb 07 14:37:37 Yes, exactly. Feb 07 14:40:54 can the n900 function as a usb host? Feb 07 14:41:18 what does "sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL" do? set the currently used architecture? why are you supposed to run af-sb-init.sh start in x86 mode? Feb 07 14:42:40 cehteh: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8890 Feb 07 14:42:43 Bug 8890: Device becomes unlocked when plugged into charger Feb 07 14:44:58 I can't run af-sb-init.sh in armel mode, am I supposed to be able to do that? Feb 07 14:46:34 . Feb 07 14:52:41 koala_man: i dont think so Feb 07 14:52:58 Need help I believe my N900 is Bricked for me, Resulting from the secon time the n900 has went into continious reboot mode. the fist time I had just enough battery left to flash the phone this time the battery is dead and does not seem to want to recharge. Any ideas? Feb 07 14:53:48 I guess that's one downside of USB charging, if not done partway in hardware >_> Feb 07 14:54:54 koala_man: Known limitations: The Hildon UI does not come up in the armel target (this is being worked on). Feb 07 14:55:34 ah Feb 07 14:56:08 snostorm: unplug battery and charger. Feb 07 14:56:24 snostorm: wait 43.7 minutes, and plug in battery and charger - leave for a couple of hours Feb 07 14:56:37 ok how long, Feb 07 14:57:01 err 4-5 mins I mean Feb 07 14:57:36 Hi there. There are some python-twisted packages online. Does somebody have experiences using them together with bluetooth? Feb 07 14:58:39 ok will try that, and bee back, does any one know if there is a fix for the phone going into continous reboot if I get it fixed? Feb 07 15:03:07 snostorm: flashing it should work Feb 07 15:03:17 snostorm: if there isn't a hardware fault Feb 07 15:04:26 is Nokia Maps support any language else English? Feb 07 15:17:38 Did i say that i love my n900, if any developer is around. nice work! Feb 07 15:18:21 I love the hardware, but it's a shame that the google contact/calander sync is poor Feb 07 15:18:46 To get my google contacts working on my phone, i had to export all contacts from gmail, and then transer the file to the phone. Feb 07 15:19:53 Is it possible to play a song as a whole as wakeup sound? Feb 07 15:20:22 and not only 10 sec and then waiting for some minutes? Feb 07 15:20:29 * ioeee-N900 saluda o/ Feb 07 15:20:43 All right connect it to a unix socket and it should work, but does it perform on N8XX, too? Feb 07 15:23:24 SpeedEvil I put the battery back in but still no charge light I even put the battery in a warm place to make sure it was not cold drained Feb 07 15:30:10 nobody has an idea how you can play the alarm sound longer then 10 sec? Feb 07 15:38:28 OMG they got Linux Torvladsx Feb 07 15:40:59 shot by a reindeer hunter? :P Feb 07 15:41:02 You know all he cares about is the kernel. Feb 07 15:42:20 lies Feb 07 15:42:36 thought all he cared about was git :) Feb 07 15:43:32 Well, Android uses that, too. Feb 07 15:44:13 would be hard not too i would imagine Feb 07 15:49:18 Does any one know anything about the constant reboot bug ? Feb 07 15:49:36 upgrade to PR1.1 or send it to nokia care Feb 07 15:50:49 is there a way to add a shortcut to the dashboard (or whatever it is called in english) that would open x terminal, ssh to my address and "screen -r" to my irssi? Feb 07 15:51:06 I tried this but it doesn't work: http://www.petrilopia.net/wordpress/nokia-n900/nokia-n900-irssi-shortcut-to-desktop/ Feb 07 15:51:11 x term just crashes Feb 07 15:52:26 or closes Feb 07 15:55:29 Sentri: dont think so Feb 07 15:55:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=426851&postcount=4 also mentions the same way Feb 07 15:56:28 its for ssh connection Feb 07 15:56:30 ...I added that just yesterday Feb 07 15:56:36 not to run commands after Feb 07 15:56:49 yeah I'm trying to ssh to my remote box where I have irssi running Feb 07 15:57:02 I'm not sure if it's necessary, but I put the ssh invocation into a separate .sh file Feb 07 15:57:06 ssh is OK, but you asked to open screen -r afer Feb 07 15:57:06 And made osso-xterm run that Feb 07 15:57:21 I read somewhere that it doesn't like command line args, but I'm not 100% sure of that Feb 07 15:57:27 ifreq: That works too. Feb 07 15:57:48 btw on examples i suggest to use fullpaths Feb 07 15:58:35 Stskeeps: Does you N900 go off locked mode when you plug it into the charger? Feb 07 15:58:40 (51.1 assumed) Feb 07 15:58:47 Lumpio-: youve tested that your desktop icon opens ssh conenctiona and executes screen -r? Feb 07 15:58:58 RST38h: not sure Feb 07 15:59:02 ifreq: Yes. Feb 07 15:59:12 ookay then help sentri :) i dont need that nfo. Feb 07 15:59:21 I removed the 'ssh user@example.org' argument and xterm opens up fine Feb 07 15:59:35 Maybe it really doesn't like command line arguments for the command Feb 07 15:59:50 hmm Feb 07 16:00:00 Try putting the ssh invocation into something like /usr/share/bin/ssh-server.sh Feb 07 16:00:17 RST38h: I never use 'lock'. It unblanks though Feb 07 16:01:07 And Exec=/usr/bin/oxxo-xterm /usr/local/bin/ssh-server.sh Feb 07 16:01:10 Stskeeps: Do check: it looks like this is a regression that occurs in 51.1 Feb 07 16:01:12 Minus typos Feb 07 16:01:23 At least that worked for me Feb 07 16:03:17 hello, Feb 07 16:03:36 n' good day to you all. Feb 07 16:03:56 had a few questions regarding the Maemo SDK, Feb 07 16:04:46 would i use it to compile stuff that are arml for maemo ? Feb 07 16:07:43 if you want to release it to be used on an arm based device Feb 07 16:08:32 * RST38h wonders if he can cut the number of resident browserds down to 3 Feb 07 16:08:33 How can I upload a package to extras-devel? Feb 07 16:08:35 sorry got disconnected, Feb 07 16:08:36 There are 7 right now Feb 07 16:08:46 paste any replies pls Feb 07 16:08:54 RST38h, somebody needs to ship him an N900 Feb 07 16:08:57 if you want to release it to be used on an arm based device Feb 07 16:09:00 That's just depressing. Feb 07 16:09:07 GAN: Sts has no N900? Feb 07 16:09:14 RST38h, Linus Feb 07 16:09:32 Ah, Linus... Who cares about Linus Feb 07 16:09:38 so would is SDK allow me to compile cli applicaions for the n900 ? Feb 07 16:09:43 * RST38h is more concerned that wazd has no N900 =) Feb 07 16:10:03 Venst^; yes, if you select to compile an arm version Feb 07 16:10:20 RST38h, well wazd sucks. There's nothing we can do about that. :P Feb 07 16:10:32 wazd, don't you have a passport yet? Feb 07 16:10:39 GAN: Judging from what he does, he rulez =) Feb 07 16:10:43 Venst^; for testing it may be good to compile x86 and run it in the "emulator" Feb 07 16:11:02 GAN <-- came first in the race to get a passport Feb 07 16:11:18 Woo! Feb 07 16:11:44 Trizt : shouldnt i compile for arml and test i nthe emulator ? Feb 07 16:11:48 in* Feb 07 16:12:22 Venst^; it's run my x86 compiles so I would say x86 Feb 07 16:13:12 Trizt : do some applications need their sources edited to run on maemo ? Feb 07 16:13:20 as in for arm Feb 07 16:13:28 talking about cli applications here Feb 07 16:13:40 Venst^; no it shouldn't as long as you don't write something really specific x86 CPU Feb 07 16:13:50 great. Feb 07 16:14:13 Trizt : whats the best easiest road in terms of gui ? Feb 07 16:14:20 wazd doenst have a paypal either :P Feb 07 16:14:23 QT or something like that? Feb 07 16:14:26 so he prolly wont get n900.. ever Feb 07 16:14:46 Venst^; I have to say I haven't been doing that much, but they suggest to go with qt as that will be the future of maemo Feb 07 16:14:59 maybe we'll stop discussing me and n900? Feb 07 16:15:26 wazd: nevah!! Feb 07 16:15:27 :) Feb 07 16:15:42 you know what, fuck gui's i need to find a good command execution widget! Feb 07 16:16:35 Venst^; think there was one in devel repo Feb 07 16:17:00 wazd: Only when you get one. OR the N920 =) Feb 07 16:17:23 will check. Feb 07 16:17:42 RST38h: with dual-sim and TV :D Feb 07 16:17:50 wazd: and a deadly laser Feb 07 16:18:03 don't forget a toaster Feb 07 16:18:08 * RST38h does not get what dual sim is good for, but TV would be nice Feb 07 16:18:21 one step closer to tricorder Feb 07 16:18:51 RST38h; so you can have your private sim and your work sim in hte same phone, it's quite a lot to carry around on two cellphones Feb 07 16:19:16 Trizt: I do not have corporate phone. Feb 07 16:19:19 No need to. Feb 07 16:19:23 lucky you Feb 07 16:19:53 i don't have private phone :( Feb 07 16:19:56 My time off work is mine. Feb 07 16:20:45 * Trizt has weeks when he worsk 24h/7d Feb 07 16:22:37 RST38h: what do you think about "17 moments of spring" in 3D? :D Feb 07 16:26:11 wazd: won't make a difference either way, I think Feb 07 16:26:30 RST38h: it's more like the time *at* work your ass isn't owned by your boss :-P Feb 07 16:26:41 wazd: redrawing it in technicolor has not made it significantly worse, so 3d wouldn't either :) Feb 07 16:27:22 RST38h: neither is your private phone Feb 07 16:27:47 DocS: my boss knows well that it is more effective to email me. Feb 07 16:28:00 RST38h: so if your boss ever wants to give you a phonecall he better tosses over a corporate phone to you Feb 07 16:28:12 RST38h: heh :-D Feb 07 16:28:17 good boss Feb 07 16:28:19 DocS: I am ok with my boss calling me on my private phone, no big deal Feb 07 16:29:31 let's think about another usecase for dual sim: roaming Feb 07 16:30:19 well, when abroad, I have to buy a sim card and insert it anyway, so I can just as well remove my original sim Feb 07 16:30:25 get your contract sim to keep the number for people calling you. Use a local prepaid for fair tariff when calling out Feb 07 16:30:48 again, people send me email :) Feb 07 16:30:58 * RST38h is more interested in data rates than voice rates Feb 07 16:31:12 (and EU data rates suck moose balls =() Feb 07 16:31:30 * ioeee-N900 se despide de todos y cierra o/ Feb 07 16:31:31 tyrannousaur testicles Feb 07 16:31:49 RST38h; so you use open wlans? Feb 07 16:32:43 hmmm, 25EUR for 5GB/month here Feb 07 16:32:56 prepaid Feb 07 16:33:30 thats robbery when data is un-prioritized traffic Feb 07 16:35:56 errr, don't see the point. I get HSPA and even can do (SIP-)VoIP. It's not really different to the cost for a DSL Feb 07 16:37:28 DSL here don't have traffic limits, but data transfer for phonesubscriptions seems to have that (they limit your speed to silly if you use more) Feb 07 16:38:33 yup, but 5GB is more than enough for me Feb 07 16:39:30 5G thats what I would spend on a day Feb 07 16:39:51 o.O Feb 07 16:39:58 Trizt: I use normal GPRS or wlan when available Feb 07 16:40:33 DocS: Except when you come to a country (let us say Greece or Lithuania) you cannot get this rate by just buying a ISM Feb 07 16:41:00 DocS: The rate you get is something like $12/MB Feb 07 16:41:07 wow, steep price hmmm, 25EUR for 5GB/month here Feb 07 16:41:17 and i thought IL was expensive Feb 07 16:41:46 * Stskeeps pokes the mbx driver guy Feb 07 16:42:18 DocS: which goes down to $1.50/MB after long negotiations Feb 07 16:43:05 RST38h: yes, I know about these. Everybody using these rates is insane Feb 07 16:44:35 For $12/M - I want the internet to be fully spell, and style corrected as I download it. Feb 07 16:45:48 * Trizt would want free meals on top of that Feb 07 16:46:19 * satmd pays 30€/m for 6mbit dsl with 3 disconnects/day Feb 07 16:46:37 so don't complain :< Feb 07 16:46:53 I would complain if me was you Feb 07 16:47:03 * SpeedEvil pays $20/mo for 0.5mbit dsl with 2 disconnects/day Feb 07 16:47:50 * RST38h pays $14/mo for 100mbd ethernet Feb 07 16:48:02 well - it's 1.8 most of the time - but throttled due to the 0.5% of the time it's at 512 Feb 07 16:48:05 * Trizt pays <€30/m for 30mibt and he can decide himslef when he wants to disconnect Feb 07 16:50:02 me i can't afford any data in canada it's too expensive Feb 07 16:50:39 i only use cable at home and wifi at school Feb 07 16:59:48 btw, does anyone here know if rogers still offers a 100$ prepaid voice that is good for one year? Feb 07 16:59:57 Hey, at least it's not Comcast! :P Feb 07 17:01:50 hasn't comcast renamed itself? Feb 07 17:02:38 what's this... I've gotten "sim registration failed" now twice today Feb 07 17:02:56 each requiring a reboot to get network back Feb 07 17:03:14 RST38h, dunno, still says Comcast on the bill. Feb 07 17:07:08 hello, what is [omap2_mcspi] ? It takes 25% of my cpu Feb 07 17:07:34 google it =) Feb 07 17:07:40 and u will find out probably Feb 07 17:08:40 meh. Feb 07 17:08:41 thanks Feb 07 17:10:25 A nice annotated process list would be nice Feb 07 17:10:43 annotated? humm Feb 07 17:10:56 wiki page - listing 'ps' output Feb 07 17:11:06 with each line linking to an app-page Feb 07 17:11:53 ah Feb 07 17:12:19 shouldnt be so hard actually Feb 07 17:12:34 just need time and effort as always :) Feb 07 17:16:15 I hate the iPhone touchscreen so much. Feb 07 17:17:01 why ? Feb 07 17:20:20 yes,why? Feb 07 17:20:52 BTW, there are still two cpu-load applets in the repos. Anyone knows which one is better? Feb 07 17:21:11 iirc, one is with screenshot and one without Feb 07 17:21:12 * cehteh uses 'top' Feb 07 17:21:16 :) Feb 07 17:21:33 and conky sometimes Feb 07 17:21:43 RST38h: any news from Roman btw? Feb 07 17:22:05 htop ftw Feb 07 17:22:26 plain top Feb 07 17:22:32 wazd: No, I have been out of touch with him for a while Feb 07 17:22:49 kynky, because it's freaking useless. Feb 07 17:22:53 top -d300 Feb 07 17:23:06 kynky, impossible to do anything requiring any precision. Feb 07 17:24:31 well thats a problem with capacitive afaik, resistive better for precision (generally) , i do like the fact you dont need to apply any pressure on capacitive, but hae never used an iphone, i prefer resistive anyway atm Feb 07 17:26:36 the n900 is really quite sensitive, you need little pressure but i prefer that over accidental inputs.. Feb 07 17:27:01 In N900 UI, there is pretty much no difference between click and slide Feb 07 17:27:02 not to tell about the improved precision, glove and pen friendly Feb 07 17:27:20 It is a freaking minefield: I accidentally click stuff in MicroB half the time Feb 07 17:27:54 rarely happens to me Feb 07 17:28:26 well the click could be little more explicit, maybe configureable Feb 07 17:28:57 as in distance, pressure (dunno how well pressure sensitivity works) and time Feb 07 17:29:40 RST38h: same problem Feb 07 17:29:53 might be lack of pressure for me since im used to capacitive Feb 07 17:29:59 but damn annoying Feb 07 17:30:06 id prefer having to click links twice Feb 07 17:30:10 \ Feb 07 17:31:00 red: The guy who made MediaBox solved this by providing buttons to click Feb 07 17:31:08 anything outside these buttons lets you scroll Feb 07 17:31:24 im using mediabox Feb 07 17:31:33 i get alot of accidentals in it too Feb 07 17:31:51 is it a setting that has come via updates? Feb 07 17:36:19 RST38h: hey, I isntalled cpumem-applet. didn't really find it useful, it shows 3 blocks in the status area (where the battery and network icons go). so it's only visible when you are on the dashboard, which is to say, hardly useful at all. besides, it updates too slowly. Feb 07 17:37:12 I find it very useful Feb 07 17:38:19 personally I prefer firing up conky/top/top-over-ssh when I need it Feb 07 17:40:43 doublekay: I see =( Feb 07 17:40:57 then the second one is the one to use Feb 07 17:41:08 what is it called? Feb 07 17:41:20 osso-cpu-load I think Feb 07 17:41:52 hm I don't have it here. what repository is it in? Feb 07 17:42:59 it is possible to set jabber status according to essid of access point on which i am connected? Feb 07 17:45:47 Of course it's possible. Feb 07 17:50:00 Lumpio-, i mean is there any checkbox in configuration to do this automatically? Feb 07 17:50:40 * RST38h manages to boot ZX Format on Speccy Feb 07 17:50:51 That, I'm not aware of. Feb 07 17:55:12 hm do you guys use anything for music syncing? mine's in a regular directory structure (i.e. not itunes or anything) Feb 07 17:55:33 a lot of the music's in flac, so something that automatically transcodes them before putting them onto the n900 would be good Feb 07 17:59:19 if you have the space for flac files, why not flac+mp3 Feb 07 18:00:05 No flac decoder in Maemo5? Feb 07 18:00:31 I'm sure there is, but I have more GBs of music than I have storage on the n900 Feb 07 18:00:50 doubleukay: All legally purchased? Feb 07 18:01:03 I neither confirm nor deny anything ;) Feb 07 18:01:12 are you really going to be able to tell the difference with a portable player? Feb 07 18:01:16 sure there's a flac decoder Feb 07 18:01:39 find . -name \*.flac -exec 'oggenc -q4.99' should do fine. Feb 07 18:02:52 Err, 'oggenc -q4.99 {};', I mean. Feb 07 18:03:56 might just end up doing something like that as a last resort Feb 07 18:05:25 pekuja: yes Feb 07 18:05:33 pekuja: hint: start with percussion Feb 07 18:05:58 does anyone see the problem where you can't paste in xchat? Feb 07 18:06:25 hi Feb 07 18:06:42 pekuja: I wouldn't be able to, for a reasonably-encoded file, listened in portable situations. Feb 07 18:07:02 could someone help me with my first application (wesnoth) for the n900 ? impossible to correctly execute it from the application menu ... it's totally silly Feb 07 18:07:09 my sdl application is not launching from application menu. I added (i think) correct .desktop, the exec path is right, the application launch correctly from terminal under the "user" account Feb 07 18:07:23 i did replace my binary ( exec ) with a script that echo to a file, and nothing is echo"ed" so i guess the script isnt executed at all when launching my application from the application menu Feb 07 18:23:36 DocScrutinizer / DocScrutinizer51 u there mate? Feb 07 18:23:47 yup Feb 07 18:23:54 wazzup? Feb 07 18:24:07 nm mate, just helping someone set their N900 up Feb 07 18:24:16 and I gave him your method for xchat notifications Feb 07 18:24:25 it's just not working for him Feb 07 18:24:27 aah :-) Feb 07 18:24:35 ohh :-/ Feb 07 18:24:46 " is badly formedtem " Feb 07 18:24:46 ' leep: invalid number ' 10 Feb 07 18:24:53 sh notify.sh outputs that Feb 07 18:25:17 DocScrutinizer, http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png Feb 07 18:26:32 missing shebang? Feb 07 18:26:58 shewhat? Feb 07 18:27:02 http://pastebin.com/d1476f7d4 Feb 07 18:27:40 oh the #! Feb 07 18:27:43 it's there Feb 07 18:29:16 ^M vs ^R issue? (edited file on dos or mac?) Feb 07 18:29:35 no, he downloaded it off pastebin Feb 07 18:30:32 pastebin has unwanted linebrakes Feb 07 18:30:50 it seems Feb 07 18:33:49 i suggest ls -l ./notify.sh; file ./notify.sh (if that exists); and check for the linebreaks in the dbus lines Feb 07 18:34:35 hi Feb 07 18:34:55 the output from http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png is really weird Feb 07 18:37:01 it made me o.O too DocScrutinizer :P Feb 07 18:39:44 MohammadAG_: please advice Bash to do "ls -l ./n*" and "cat ./notify.sh" Feb 07 18:40:38 ahh, plus "id" please Feb 07 18:46:45 mhm found a way to disable blinking after the user responds Feb 07 18:47:14 * cehteh was thinking about making a xchat plugin for notifications Feb 07 18:47:46 * N900evil is playing with xchat keymaps Feb 07 18:47:59 ah keymaps .. have to setup emacs ... Feb 07 18:48:13 any fallout fans around? Feb 07 18:49:13 http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf - shift-blue-0-9 = chan 9-0 Feb 07 18:50:13 shift-zoom move a tab up and down in the list. shift up-down go to nex/prev tab. shift-left goes 'back' - well reconnects to server. shift-right completes a nick Feb 07 18:51:43 shift-l/r is mapped to highlight by default. I don't like to lose that Feb 07 18:53:26 highlight? Feb 07 18:56:52 mark text Feb 07 18:57:20 ctrl-l/r is jump word Feb 07 18:57:29 DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/m33ae300f Feb 07 18:57:32 ah Feb 07 18:57:36 all highly convenient Feb 07 18:57:41 root is the root of all problems there eh? Feb 07 18:57:48 I diddn't have a problem selecting text with fingers Feb 07 18:58:37 MohammadAG_: seems so Feb 07 18:59:07 chown? Feb 07 18:59:16 yup Feb 07 18:59:27 then exit !! Feb 07 19:00:00 using root account for no good reason is silly and deprecated Feb 07 19:02:28 DocScrutinizer, how can he change the group? Feb 07 19:02:44 it's 1 user (user) root (group_ Feb 07 19:02:49 )* Feb 07 19:03:07 chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE... Feb 07 19:08:50 DocScrutinizer, same problem Feb 07 19:09:15 weird Feb 07 19:09:28 ./notify.sh: not found Feb 07 19:09:40 I don't even get the nature of this problem Feb 07 19:09:47 sh notify.sh Feb 07 19:09:52 method return sender =:1.8 -> dest=:1.510 reply_serial=2 Feb 07 19:09:52 'leep: invalid number '10 Feb 07 19:10:01 oh wait Feb 07 19:10:09 'leep should be sleep Feb 07 19:10:18 yep Feb 07 19:10:18 why is it 'leep Feb 07 19:10:49 it's croppled fubar. I guess a non-prinatbe error reply of dbus-send causing that Feb 07 19:11:15 non-printable Feb 07 19:14:28 you should insert a "echo -n A; sleep 1;echo x" for 1. and then every second line Feb 07 19:20:38 I wonder if there's a way to make the phone software prefer sip over cellular Feb 07 19:20:55 the wiki didn't tell me or I use the wrong terms to seatch Feb 07 19:20:58 *search Feb 07 19:22:14 MohammadAG_: or a 'set -v -x' as first line Feb 07 19:23:52 MohammadAG_: I really doubt that notify.sh is wellformed Feb 07 19:24:46 I gave him my file Feb 07 19:24:56 oh wait, I made another one Feb 07 19:25:04 I'll upload him my own file, seeing as mine works fine Feb 07 19:25:43 I suggest you avoid c&p from pastebin Feb 07 19:27:04 DocScrutinizer, uploiading it to my RS Feb 07 19:27:16 so the file should stay the same Feb 07 19:32:01 Heh, Philip Van Hoof must be a relative of Zumba (he posted on planet maemo :) Feb 07 19:37:56 DocScrutinizer, my file worked :) Feb 07 19:38:11 * MohammadAG looks for a pastebin alternative Feb 07 19:39:01 hello, is it possible to export wireless key from n900 to computer? Feb 07 19:40:52 MohammadAG: take a screenshot and use imagehost Feb 07 19:40:54 :P Feb 07 19:41:39 and for copy and paste? :p Feb 07 19:41:46 MohammadAG: gist.github.com? Feb 07 19:42:11 you didnt ask for that Feb 07 19:44:31 well pastebin supports c&p, and so should an alternative Feb 07 19:44:37 I'd rather upload files now Feb 07 19:44:48 seeing as pastebin and other sites add text Feb 07 19:46:33 is there some easy way to cause M900 to beep? Feb 07 19:46:42 in some perl script or something Feb 07 19:46:50 hmm, does perl run on N900 Feb 07 19:46:58 if not that, perhaps python Feb 07 19:47:31 * smaug___ would like to get notified when some specific kind of email arrives Feb 07 19:48:05 timeless: you might know Feb 07 19:52:21 smaug___: just play an beep sound? Feb 07 19:52:30 smaug___: perl and python is available Feb 07 19:52:40 but perl modules are somewhat stripped down Feb 07 19:53:29 I think I'd want to check some IMAP email subjects Feb 07 19:53:54 and beep if I find something interesting Feb 07 19:54:17 (in this case something like : tinderbox is burning: fix it!) Feb 07 19:54:55 your questions are very confusing and seem unrelated Feb 07 19:55:48 smaug___: not sure if it helps, but there's - usage: play-sound Feb 07 19:55:57 the question is about beep Feb 07 19:56:08 ah, play-sound sounds good Feb 07 19:56:25 but... Feb 07 19:56:30 it bypasses the volume control Feb 07 19:56:38 even better Feb 07 19:57:05 I want something which wakes me up Feb 07 20:00:13 lol Feb 07 20:00:29 make sure you don't have the headset on then :p Feb 07 20:01:11 that's a good point Feb 07 20:17:30 Hi, is there a simple way to associate a shell script with a mimetype (for using in the browser) Feb 07 20:17:47 creating a desktop entry with the associated mimetype didnt work for me Feb 07 20:18:06 it says the filetype is not supported Feb 07 20:18:28 using maemo5 Feb 07 20:25:34 *facepalm* http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=514797#post514797 Feb 07 20:36:32 any ideas on how to get what item is "selected" when using a GtkTreeView with gtk.HILDON_UI_MODE_NORMAL and a callback on tap-and-hold signal? as the ui mode disableas real selections im going crazy trying to figure out what item the menu options should be associated with Feb 07 20:40:03 who's an irc oper? Feb 07 20:40:17 GeneralAntilles? Feb 07 20:41:26 Guest17851, seems to be a spam bot Feb 07 20:42:31 hey guys, anyone successfully managed to reconnect the usb port after it fell out of their device? Feb 07 20:42:55 or is it not even worth trying Feb 07 20:43:03 realitygaps: no Feb 07 20:43:15 the port falls out? Feb 07 20:43:16 where can i get dbus-switchboard for the n900? I found a package, but wouldnt install because of a missing "maemo-select-menu-location" Feb 07 20:43:18 send it in for replacement Feb 07 20:43:30 preproduction model so.... Feb 07 20:43:49 but i dont think i'd buy n900 again if this isnt confirmed fixed Feb 07 20:43:50 it prolly damaged the pcb as well Feb 07 20:43:52 why do you have it then Feb 07 20:44:01 MohammadAG: ? Feb 07 20:44:14 cehteh: yep some of the pcb came out (tiny bits) Feb 07 20:44:20 * cehteh grinded the charger clamps down Feb 07 20:44:23 why do you have the preproduction metal? Feb 07 20:44:31 at least the charger plugs easily now Feb 07 20:44:34 MohammadAG: i was at the amsterdam summit Feb 07 20:44:51 oh i thought you had to return them Feb 07 20:44:58 realitygaps: it quite certainly damaged the copper connections on the pcb too Feb 07 20:45:00 MohammadAG: not yet, in april Feb 07 20:45:05 in january Feb 07 20:45:07 let it be fixed by nokia/get replacement Feb 07 20:45:11 oh jj Feb 07 20:45:15 cehteh: likely... i dont think theyd replace a summit model Feb 07 20:45:16 kk* Feb 07 20:45:25 you may try Feb 07 20:45:32 loads and loads of n900s at fosdem this weekend :) Feb 07 20:45:37 if not you can try by yourself Feb 07 20:46:05 just kline Guest17851 already Feb 07 20:46:10 but otherwise around, trying to fix by yourself would quite certain void any warranty if there is one Feb 07 20:46:11 keeps spamming via pm Feb 07 20:46:20 realitygaps: good - more freerunners or more n900s? Feb 07 20:46:35 cehteh: no warranty on preproduction (or on developer discount models as far as i remember) Feb 07 20:46:57 Stskeeps: i noticed more n900's but lots of iphones too Feb 07 20:46:59 well maybe they still would do that as voluntary support Feb 07 20:47:14 why do you ask anyways if you dont care Feb 07 20:47:39 cehteh: its possible. honestly i dont mind but im just wary to buy one if the same will happen Feb 07 20:47:46 dunno what kind of pcb the n900 has but multilayer boards are almost unfixable Feb 07 20:48:16 iirc thats not 'properly' fixed as in using a non surface mounted connector Feb 07 20:48:53 cehteh: thanks for the info. I do care very much, the n900 is one of my favourite things ever Feb 07 20:49:01 maybe they improved the production to make it bit better but there are still reports and they exchange it on sold devices Feb 07 20:49:13 mine's pretty sturdy Feb 07 20:49:29 until it breaks Feb 07 20:49:40 hasn't moved on the inside (yet& Feb 07 20:49:41 exactly.. mine was sturdy up until the end Feb 07 20:49:48 )* Feb 07 20:49:51 the soldering comes off, means its hard and then suddenly falls off Feb 07 20:50:18 * MohammadAG gulps Feb 07 20:51:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=13 Feb 07 20:51:59 cehteh: thx Feb 07 20:52:07 maby they cut cost by not soderign all the conectiosn securely? Feb 07 20:52:37 i doubt it replacing costs more :P Feb 07 20:53:05 but they cut costy by not using a connector which crimps on the pcb Feb 07 20:53:10 ok shoty conector deisne? Feb 07 20:53:45 means they designed the pcb not to have any holes not requireing holes Feb 07 20:54:05 that saves a whole manufacturing step and a lot costs Feb 07 20:54:52 http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/connecting-on-the-surface-an-n900-risk/ Feb 07 20:58:06 Jaffa, ping? Feb 07 20:58:35 Jaffa, date format as dd Month yyyy? Feb 07 20:59:08 UPDATE: Nokia reports that the problem was fixed for production devices. I do not know details Feb 07 20:59:13 reassuring Feb 07 20:59:25 * MohammadAG gulps again Feb 07 20:59:38 my query assy isn't sturdy :/ Feb 07 21:00:04 MohammadAG: not reassuring as people with production modules are having the same issues Feb 07 21:00:12 but possibly only early production models Feb 07 21:00:17 its still unclear Feb 07 21:00:18 thinking about buying a replacement for 7 euros Feb 07 21:00:41 mine's a late december one Feb 07 21:00:55 hw revision 2101 Feb 07 21:02:11 * Guest17851 Þã ÈÒíÇÑÊäÇ Ýí ÔÈßÉ ÇáãÍÇÏËå æ ÇÍÕá Úáì ÈæÊÇÊ + åæÓÊ ÎÇÕ æãÌÇäí ¡ äÊãäÇ ÒíÇÑÊßã ÈÃÓÑÚ æÞÊ ¡¡ äÃÓÝ ááÃÒÚÇÌ /server IRC.ForChat.Net Feb 07 21:02:16 :/ Feb 07 21:03:56 that chair snagging has broken my nokia charger (the small pin type) too many times to count Feb 07 21:10:38 hi, I'm trying to ssh from my n900 to a desktop which would act as the server, I can ping both ways but get a "no route to host" from the "ssh user@192.." command on the phone Feb 07 21:11:15 could be lots of things , check logs on server ? Feb 07 21:11:50 can you confirm with a "netstat -lnt" on the phone that ssh is running? Feb 07 21:11:59 kynky: thanks I'll try it Feb 07 21:13:26 doublekey: i et a single entry tcp 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Feb 07 21:13:33 is there an easy way for starting a custom script when clicking on a link with an associated mime-type? (using N900) Feb 07 21:14:06 newbie005: if ssh is running you should also see a - tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Feb 07 21:14:11 (note the 0.0.0.0:22) Feb 07 21:14:22 perhaps you can check why it didn't start? Feb 07 21:14:25 or reboot :) Feb 07 21:14:27 I did change it to 2222 Feb 07 21:14:33 ah I see Feb 07 21:15:09 on the server I do see a 2222 actually 2 one in a 0.0.0.0 format and the other in :::2222 format Feb 07 21:15:37 so you can connect to ssh from box it served on ? Feb 07 21:16:19 ssh -p 2222 user@localhost Feb 07 21:16:20 kynky: do you mean ssh from the desktop to the desktop ? Feb 07 21:16:23 i just received the first call on my n900! Feb 07 21:16:39 was it spam? Feb 07 21:16:47 sorry, I misunderstood that you wanted to ssh to the phone. Feb 07 21:16:51 it was my mother! Feb 07 21:17:02 ssh from phone to desktop Feb 07 21:17:16 but check you can do it from desktop to itself first Feb 07 21:18:05 i tested my shure music phone adapter connected with my etymotics er-4 earphones and it works great Feb 07 21:18:05 I can do it from the desktop to the desktop,, actually I get a security error about not having the public key file Feb 07 21:18:48 just figured out that the n900 remember different volume settings for headphone vs internal speakers Feb 07 21:18:53 could it be a firewall thing with the router? Feb 07 21:18:58 just love the little things that are well thought out Feb 07 21:19:15 newbie005: got another device to test it with? Feb 07 21:19:49 failing which, if you undertand tcpdump's output try running it on the desktop to confirm if it's seeing a SYN to its port 2222 from the phoen Feb 07 21:20:05 shouldnt be a firewll thing on router as you no crossing nets, it could be your iptables if you got that setup , allow.hosts in /etc , the listenon address in sshd.conf Feb 07 21:20:32 doublekay: my only other computer is some windows 7 that hasn't been formatted yet Feb 07 21:20:44 meaning it's not yet running fedora Feb 07 21:20:44 try putty from win7 Feb 07 21:20:47 don't think it's hosts.allow, as that blocks above the tcp stack Feb 07 21:21:27 which ssh client u install on n900 ? Feb 07 21:21:34 openssh or dropbear ? Feb 07 21:21:34 openssh Feb 07 21:21:46 openssh Feb 07 21:21:48 kynky: not sure, I think it was an apt-get install ssh-client Feb 07 21:21:52 i only tried openssh. it works for me Feb 07 21:22:13 GAN900: As default; but I tried to be locale sensitive (e.g. for the PUSH N900 US stuff) Feb 07 21:22:15 using apt-get isnt wise i thought Feb 07 21:22:27 is there a command to disable the firewall on the desktop? Feb 07 21:22:51 kynky: how come? Feb 07 21:22:54 iptables -F (as root) (but only do if you know what your doing) Feb 07 21:23:12 I definatly do not know what i'm doing Feb 07 21:23:16 newbie005: if you're sure about it, iptables -F; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT Feb 07 21:23:17 newbie005, you should really use the inbuilt package manager Feb 07 21:23:47 the gui one, reduces problems Feb 07 21:24:00 there is a service I can stop.. I'll try that Feb 07 21:24:11 enable add repositories, but be careful which reposotories you add, some are dangerous Feb 07 21:24:41 I'm not going to touch the test or dev repos Feb 07 21:24:48 ok that worked Feb 07 21:25:10 looks like you need to permanantly add a rule then Feb 07 21:25:10 I did a service iptables stop on the desktop and then I could get a security error on the phone Feb 07 21:25:24 kynky: any idea of how to do that Feb 07 21:25:50 depends on how its configured Feb 07 21:26:09 knowing your distro will be a good start.. Feb 07 21:26:14 I'll see what I can find out Feb 07 21:26:16 thanks!! Feb 07 21:26:23 :) Feb 07 21:26:33 could be as simple as an iptables-restore from an rc.local script, but depends on your distro Feb 07 21:27:46 good thing your box isnt directly connected to internet, as iptables -F , coulda made things insecure , but good you running sshd on a non default port Feb 07 21:34:49 it was an iptables rule, I'm now getting a security error! woo hoo! Feb 07 21:36:04 * Arif_ yawns Feb 07 21:36:46 damn you TNT, why don't you deliver packages on Sundays ;( Feb 07 21:49:30 I'm dealing with an ssh Permission denied error. I setup a public / private key file. In googling the error it was suggested that I check the permissions of thoes files. However on the phone I'm not seeing a ~/.ssh directory Feb 07 21:51:07 how did you generate the public/private keys? Feb 07 21:51:21 anybody installed openarene from devel? Feb 07 21:51:35 *arena Feb 07 21:51:42 doublekay: I dont quite remember,, I'll look it up. I had originaly set this up a month ago and I'm just coming back to it Feb 07 21:52:43 Vanadis, yep Feb 07 21:52:45 doublekay: I did a ssh-keygen -t rsa Feb 07 21:52:59 on the phone? Feb 07 21:53:10 kynky, any comments? is the Phone fast enough? Feb 07 21:53:13 is nowave7 somebody on here? Feb 07 21:53:49 when you install ssh server it should generat key afaik, then on client it should accept public key and store in authorised_keys file Feb 07 21:53:50 doublekay: no on the server Feb 07 21:54:33 newbie005: aha. what do you want to do? ssh from the phone, to the desktop which is the ssh server? Feb 07 21:54:38 Vanadis, yep it fast enough, plays q3 better though, because of better textures Feb 07 21:54:45 okay Feb 07 21:54:54 q3 on the n900? no way :P Feb 07 21:54:57 doublekay: yes Feb 07 21:54:59 lemme check that out Feb 07 21:55:09 newbie005: in that case you'd wanna run ssh-keygen on the *phone* :) Feb 07 21:55:10 i played q3 on my old N95 Feb 07 21:55:28 doublekay: ah ok thanks Feb 07 21:55:34 n900 got more horses Feb 07 21:55:37 you can use ssh-copy-id to transfer the key to your computer.. it's kinda convenient Feb 07 21:55:58 doublekay: can I do this as non-root? Feb 07 21:55:58 Vanadis: ah ok. evidently I've been out of touch with phone capabilities :( Feb 07 21:56:01 yes Feb 07 21:56:18 well i give q3 and openarena a try Feb 07 21:57:12 My friend came over and complained that I didn't have cable so we could watch the Superbowl. Feb 07 21:57:37 5 minutes later, I'm streaming it from justin.tv to my 40" TV with my N900 and the video out cable. Feb 07 21:57:41 He's in love. Feb 07 21:57:41 http://animal.discovery.com/tv/puppy-bowl/about.html Feb 07 21:57:45 :) Feb 07 21:58:19 zerojay, is the image darker than it should be ? Feb 07 21:58:26 any pointer on how to make a transparent widget with gtk? Feb 07 21:58:27 Kind of blows my mind even that my phone can stream it better than my PS3 can. Feb 07 21:58:44 kynky: Maybe a little, but I just adjust my brightness on the TV a little bit. Feb 07 21:59:15 i tried video out (pal), was a little dark Feb 07 21:59:33 Yeah, it is a little dark, but I'm not sure if it's just the stream or what. Feb 07 21:59:38 there are so many 'oh - it shlould just work moments'. Feb 07 22:00:00 well you can see video on n900 at same time as tv Feb 07 22:00:33 crazy dbus! Feb 07 22:00:40 heard they got sixaxis controller working with n900, so emu++ Feb 07 22:01:59 are those controllers laggy? or it's just the wiimote that's laggy? Feb 07 22:02:12 cracked my screen on my n900 was gutted Feb 07 22:02:23 i can't even make a sixaxis work with bluetooth on arch linux Feb 07 22:02:32 simoneb_, thought it should b fine Feb 07 22:02:58 anyone here? Feb 07 22:03:03 i've read on the forum that the wiimote is imprevedibly laggy, somewhere from 20ms to 500ms ... wondered if other controllers were the same Feb 07 22:03:13 luckily nokia repair centre fixed screen for modest fee Feb 07 22:03:20 by any chance, has anyone experimented with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness? Feb 07 22:03:25 you could try bt kb Feb 07 22:03:37 simoneb_: Yes, that was me that said that. I work with the Wii and yes, it's terribly laggy... and it's like that on the Wii and on devkits as well. Feb 07 22:03:39 I noticed while dong some IO that the n900 was caching really aggressively Feb 07 22:04:19 I haven't tried the Sixaxis on the N900 yet, but I know there's no lagging when using sixaxis normally in Linux. Feb 07 22:04:43 zerojay: you mean that wiimotes are laggy on the wii itself? Feb 07 22:05:05 annoyingly the current ps3 controller w/ n900 needs flashed kernel Feb 07 22:05:06 simoneb_: Wiimotes have a built-in lag to them that developers have to work around. Feb 07 22:05:33 simoneb_: And the lag is random. Feb 07 22:05:47 sixaxis will be better for drnoksnes anyway Feb 07 22:05:49 though technically that shouldn't be. bt has enough userland stuff to be used to generate keypresses Feb 07 22:06:07 Some developers wanting more precision are using the same movement prediction that you'd see in online games for the Wii. Feb 07 22:06:32 Damion2: Shouldn't be, but it is and is for all games... it's just that some people have gotten better at hiding that lag than others. Feb 07 22:08:48 this stuff makes me love wires Feb 07 22:09:00 No. Feb 07 22:09:04 It should make you hate the Wii. Feb 07 22:09:23 The other consoles don't suffer from the same problem. Feb 07 22:09:31 And the PS3 is also using Bluetooth. Feb 07 22:10:50 well its using bt in a slightly annoying way i thought (pairing) Feb 07 22:10:52 by the way.... any pointer on how to make a transparent widget with gtk? Feb 07 22:11:08 anyone know if the Wii classic controller works with the N900? :) Feb 07 22:11:27 simeoni, try cairo with a surface that supports composite ? Feb 07 22:11:46 simoneb_, i mean Feb 07 22:12:10 kynky: cairo? i'm just trying to draw a half-transparent desktop widget :O Feb 07 22:12:28 kynky: with one single button and some text Feb 07 22:13:12 well if it was me, i would go down o the garage and find out, simoneb_ Feb 07 22:13:17 to* Feb 07 22:13:48 last time i went there i couldn't find the sources i wanted to peek in Feb 07 22:16:00 I guess the music player doesn't have search function? Feb 07 22:16:07 nevermind. found them. Feb 07 22:16:14 Dassu: it does, just type some text Feb 07 22:17:45 oh finally I got the answe thanks Feb 07 22:17:53 simoneb_: Feb 07 22:18:21 you're welcome Feb 07 22:21:33 crazy, my n900 stuck in portrait and desktop is weird too use like that Feb 07 22:21:58 that happened to me once too, but before 1.1 Feb 07 22:22:11 im on pr1.1 Feb 07 22:22:53 so no one tried a classic controller? =( Feb 07 22:23:02 i can't remember how i got there, i think i opened and rapidly closed an application or something like that Feb 07 22:23:39 had to reboot Feb 07 22:24:37 Is 16GB the limit on micro-sd cards the n900 can read? Feb 07 22:25:04 no Feb 07 22:25:14 zerojay, usuk Feb 07 22:25:32 SDHC is upto 32GB Feb 07 22:26:26 but, will it be possibly to attach 2 ps3 controllers to the n900? Feb 07 22:26:31 possible* Feb 07 22:27:29 IT's possible now, I'm sure. Feb 07 22:27:35 They're just bluetooth HID, right? Feb 07 22:31:47 hi guys Feb 07 22:32:29 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 07 22:33:19 i can't switch app when i see a video :S Feb 07 22:34:07 ican only go back to player menu to switch and i lose video connexion Feb 07 22:34:26 is there any workaround ? Feb 07 22:34:40 use mplayer ? Feb 07 22:35:13 hmm gona try it but maybe not so nice integrated Feb 07 22:35:57 it doesnt use dsp Feb 07 22:37:02 guys ive just installed firefox on my n900 but i dont have an icon, only a blue box Feb 07 22:37:07 is this for everyone? Feb 07 22:37:25 Bash1: it takes a while to update Feb 07 22:37:45 oh cool. Feb 07 22:37:45 Bash1: icon cache Feb 07 22:37:50 i ve set video bookmark, how to see files related ? Feb 07 22:38:02 thre is nothing in .videos Feb 07 22:45:43 hey Feb 07 22:45:57 is it possible to run a "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped" on the n900? Feb 07 22:46:11 login Feb 07 22:46:36 no Feb 07 22:46:40 well Feb 07 22:46:42 yes Feb 07 22:46:44 hmm.. wrong window. sorry Feb 07 22:46:44 qemu Feb 07 22:46:48 but you won't like the speed Feb 07 22:46:52 :( Feb 07 22:46:57 thanks SpeedEvil Feb 07 22:47:10 the processor in the n900 is arm Feb 07 22:47:29 ed and dangerous Feb 07 22:47:47 sar3th: just recompile it Feb 07 22:48:17 luke-jr: i would do it if i could, but it's the VPN client of my university (juniper network connect), so i don't have the sourcecode Feb 07 22:48:30 sar3th: poor logic Feb 07 22:48:44 is it a VPN authenticator - or does it do the VPNstuff itself? Feb 07 22:49:13 you might also try running it on a x86 box somewhere - and vpning to that Feb 07 22:49:16 sar3th: a university shouldn't be requiring anti-freedom blobs Feb 07 22:49:18 * GAN900 stabs the S60 blog Feb 07 22:49:58 Idiots copied konttori's SNES video to their off feed. Feb 07 22:50:03 Lamd hit whoring shit. Feb 07 22:50:26 * luke-jr ponders what the cheapest ARM board is Feb 07 22:51:06 luke-jr: i agree :( Feb 07 22:51:27 GAN900: Hmm? Feb 07 22:51:30 SpeedEvil: i don't know, it's the client you use to connect into the vpn, it sets up routing and runs as a service in the background Feb 07 22:52:04 luke-jr, there are many sorts of arm Feb 07 22:52:19 N900evil: so? Feb 07 22:52:28 luke-jr, from $20 or so Feb 07 22:52:33 N900evil: where? :P Feb 07 22:52:37 arm cortex Feb 07 22:52:40 luke-jr, beagleboard too expensive ? or would using qemu-arm be to silly ? Feb 07 22:52:50 kynky: yes, beagleboard is pretty expensive Feb 07 22:53:12 kynky: I'm thinking ordering 5-10 or so Feb 07 22:53:18 and putting them various places Feb 07 22:54:47 luke-jr: do you mean with mmu/ Feb 07 22:54:52 / linux Feb 07 22:54:59 SpeedEvil: yeah, don't all ARM have a MMU? O.o Feb 07 22:55:09 no Feb 07 22:55:10 http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=mini2440&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories Feb 07 22:55:15 not the little ones Feb 07 22:55:32 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120512554488QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0f1ba5f8 Feb 07 22:55:36 hey, first line from my new n900 :) is there a way to send tab key to xchat to do nick completion? Feb 07 22:55:50 64K ROM, 20K RAM, 32 bit forex Feb 07 22:56:12 plq: see settings -> advanced -> key-bindings Feb 07 22:56:33 http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf or Feb 07 22:56:35 sure, thanks. Feb 07 22:56:40 and drop it in your xchat Feb 07 22:56:54 shift-rightarrow does completion in that Feb 07 22:56:55 zerojay, S60 blog reuploade konttori's SNES video as their own. Feb 07 22:57:09 and shift-0-9 go to channels 0-9 Feb 07 22:57:27 and stuff Feb 07 22:58:14 shift up and down are pgup/down, ... Feb 07 23:00:07 sar3th: I've been impressed by the speed Feb 07 23:01:46 Damion2: i don't know much about how qemu works; does it put the qemu'd process in a sandbox-like environment or will it give plain access to the required resources? it would be useless if the client does work, but i can't use it out of qemu Feb 07 23:02:22 http://fox.nncdn.com/nn/0/273/979/84420.jpg Feb 07 23:02:27 qemu-user will run binaries from the target architecture on the host arch Feb 07 23:02:34 typically used in chroots or for static binaries Feb 07 23:02:41 mplayer converted an ogg to wav in 1/4 of native arm speed and toppler was about 70% Feb 07 23:03:05 sar3th: I can probably somehow send you my binary Feb 07 23:04:15 I've been using ./qemu ./ld-linux.so.2 --library-path `pwd` ./arbitrary_binary Feb 07 23:09:20 another question, i got dosbox to run, but it reports /dev/snd/seq not found. what snd device should it be pointed to? Feb 07 23:09:46 Damion2: i assume you built qemu from source using scratchbox then? Feb 07 23:10:12 yep Feb 07 23:10:51 plq: I've not see sequencer in use for yonks Feb 07 23:11:11 yonks?? Feb 07 23:11:20 even oss seemed to drop support in the 90s with the last wavetable soundcard Feb 07 23:11:38 timidity and userspace libs took over Feb 07 23:11:52 yonks = donkey's yeahs Feb 07 23:11:54 years Feb 07 23:12:17 you're not british are you? Feb 07 23:12:20 ah ok so its expected behaviour. Feb 07 23:12:34 nope im turkish Feb 07 23:12:52 plq: it's suboptimal and I'm just assuming but yeah it's what I'd expect Feb 07 23:13:17 ok thanks a bunch. Feb 07 23:13:21 sar3th: I can scp the binary of qemu somewhere Feb 07 23:17:19 hello from n900 :) Feb 07 23:18:59 hello: I'm normally using mine Feb 07 23:19:10 s/:/, Feb 07 23:19:57 GAN900: Ugh, that's bullshit. Feb 07 23:20:22 GAN900: Feel like testing something out for me real quick? Feb 07 23:27:48 Hi guys, im trying to setup esbox, i finally have it up and running and i have the scratchbox sdk working (have sucesfully built libmpd and a qt front end im wokring on and launched it in xephyr), im running an amd64 gentoo system, ive seen varioud places state that this does not work or is not supported but i have it all up and running to the point where im trying to start the "maemo application framework" in esbox. Probem is the ok button is alwasy greyed Feb 07 23:27:48 out, i set the Build machien type to "host Machine" as im an not using a virtual machine. Feb 07 23:33:43 zerojay: what do u need tested? Feb 07 23:34:58 just realised esbox is lookin for scratchbox 1, when i have scratchbox2 up and running Feb 08 00:06:00 has anyone packaged mediatomb? Feb 08 00:07:18 I've just started it, can't test yet wife watching dancing on ice on the ps3 but I think it'll work. I'll have to work out debiifying it if nobody else has Feb 08 00:07:37 I've just done ./configure && make Feb 08 00:08:19 hrm. The GPS location of omweather totally fails for me. Feb 08 00:08:33 Maybe you aren't where you think you are. Feb 08 00:08:43 ScribbleJ: interesting thought. Feb 08 00:08:53 at least the location API agrees with my perception :) Feb 08 00:09:45 but somehow omweather maps "Siegen, Germany" to "Haguenau, France" apparently. Maybe it is a weather.com problem. Feb 08 00:10:59 lol, actually, hagenau is in germany afaik Feb 08 00:11:01 wihtin esbox window->preferences->maemo->installed targets, each entry wasnts a password for user, i dont know what this is and passwd in xterm on n900 tells me the passwd for user cannot be chnaged. should i change it somethign as root user or what? Feb 08 00:12:09 whats the best software to convert avi files to work with the n900? Feb 08 00:12:32 sar3th: apparently not: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=haguenau Feb 08 00:14:08 hmk Feb 08 00:14:22 it's been a while since i was there Feb 08 00:15:00 sar3th: oh, you missed the recent german invasion? :) Feb 08 00:15:51 oh, fuck :< ^^ Feb 08 00:16:40 Does anyone already know what all the exposed test points on the board under the n900 battery are? Feb 08 00:25:59 ScribbleJ: no docs that I know of, my guess is serial, JTAG, and something else Feb 08 00:26:22 Yeah, my guess too.... but I'd love it if someone had already figured the serial pinout... Feb 08 00:27:06 I wonder if there is some kind of serial driver for the hardware in the kernel tree. Feb 08 00:27:30 I imagine that it's a boring, already supported serial port Feb 08 00:32:11 bash1: I use ffmpeg Feb 08 00:33:20 If it were, it would be pretty easy for me to install support, see the module load, scope the pins until I get something fun. Feb 08 00:33:42 It seems like there might be enough room in there to wedge in a tiny magnetometer. Feb 08 00:34:04 if it's using one of the existing, supported types then there won't be a module Feb 08 00:34:33 you could probably scope them now Feb 08 00:34:53 Well, I'd have to see the serial port in the OS first so I could send data to scope. Feb 08 00:35:13 the device nodes are already there Feb 08 00:35:31 at least one probably runs to the baseband Feb 08 00:36:00 Ah Feb 08 00:36:23 I didn't notice the ttyS* before. Feb 08 00:36:28 Very interesting. Feb 08 00:36:42 I suddenly see a difficulty in scoping them, though. Feb 08 00:36:55 Will need to make some kind of wiring harness first so I can do it with the battery in, I think. Feb 08 00:37:04 or hook up an external power supply Feb 08 00:37:22 I thought the N900 would shut down if there is no battery, even if plugged in. Feb 08 00:37:28 But I haven't actually tried it. Feb 08 00:37:40 so you hook up an external PSU to the internal pins Feb 08 00:38:21 Oh, well, isn't that an obvious solution. Feb 08 00:38:37 I probably didn't think of it because my brain is too finely trained.... or something. Feb 08 00:38:40 heh Feb 08 00:39:04 we do it all the time at work, since we tear them apart and build demos of our stuff to show off Feb 08 00:39:18 What stuff is this? Feb 08 00:39:24 flash memory mostly Feb 08 00:39:27 PCM these days Feb 08 00:39:36 Ah. Feb 08 00:39:50 I know barely enough about hardware to wire up a uC. Feb 08 00:40:06 no worries, I'm all software myself Feb 08 00:42:27 zerojay, hmm? Feb 08 00:43:40 woohoo Feb 08 00:43:47 I had a comment on slashdot rather +5 funny Feb 08 00:43:50 hooowooo Feb 08 00:43:55 lol Feb 08 00:43:57 s/her/hed/ Feb 08 00:43:58 crashanddie_ meant: I had a comment on slashdot rathed +5 funny Feb 08 00:44:05 fail Feb 08 00:44:28 I'm not very much awake Feb 08 00:44:38 Drunk already? :D Feb 08 00:44:42 fucking idiot from the bank called me at 4:30 Feb 08 00:45:05 "Mr Lauwers?" "aaaaaaarrrghh, cough cough cough yeeeaaaahhh?" Feb 08 00:45:07 crashanddie_, I'm sorry. Feb 08 00:45:28 "Mr Lauwers, what's your date of birth?" "What the fuck?" Feb 08 00:47:13 crashanddie_, so, did somebody steal your credit card. Feb 08 00:47:53 "This is Adjimal Faroush from HSBC Customer Relations, a fraud warning has come up on your bank account, I just need to confirm your identity." "and?" "I need to confirm that you are the owner of the account" "and?" "What's your date of birth" "" "I'm sorry, that's not what I have in my records" "..." Feb 08 00:48:48 "namaste" :D Feb 08 00:49:15 "Are you sure that's your birth date?" "Oh hang on, let me check, maybe I'm confused.... NO, I DO REMEMBER MY DATE OF BIRTH" Feb 08 00:49:36 Bloody plonkers Feb 08 00:50:16 crashanddie_, so, did somebody steal your credit card. Feb 08 00:50:21 Ergh Feb 08 00:50:24 GAN900: nope Feb 08 00:50:34 So, they have twom TVs in this room Feb 08 00:50:41 twom? Feb 08 00:50:44 One 19" which gets HD Feb 08 00:50:51 One 50" that doesn't Feb 08 00:50:54 two Feb 08 00:51:16 * GAN900 is on day 3 bedside in the hospital. Feb 08 00:51:34 still for your relative? Or did you shoot yourself in the foot again? Feb 08 00:51:38 :/ Feb 08 00:51:51 So we're watching the Superbowl on the 19" Feb 08 00:51:59 Still the relative Feb 08 00:52:03 There's your problem Feb 08 00:52:08 you're watching the superbowl Feb 08 00:52:10 Excited for the Who at halftime. Feb 08 00:53:41 mediatomb works Feb 08 00:54:51 crashanddie_: I never give my details when they phone me, I tell them they could be anyone and that they should give me a password and I'll call back to provide it to them (natwest) after which I can run through security and sort the issue out Feb 08 00:55:18 hsbc might cancel your card if you get arsy though Feb 08 00:55:28 call them midland just to be sure ;) Feb 08 00:56:40 Damion2: Actually, I have a business traveller account, they're not supposed to call me, they're not supposed to block out my card because of travel Feb 08 00:57:14 Damion2: I pay a premium exactly because I travel so much and spend so much on hotels and rentals that if they didn't raise their fraud detection on my account, I'd be stuck 24/7 Feb 08 00:58:01 I had my regular oyster automatic top-up 20quid blocked as "dangerious obscure payment detected" Feb 08 00:58:32 and I didn't know until my oyster stopped working, at which point I "had words" with them Feb 08 00:59:52 oyster? Feb 08 00:59:54 oh Feb 08 01:00:04 basically, the way fraud detection works is that every day they have the amount of the transaction, multiplied by the country code, which is a risk factor, multiplied by the age of the card holder, as a risk factor as well Feb 08 01:00:07 if you're not british you'll need to bing it Feb 08 01:00:27 there's another few factors, for example travel rate over the past 2 months, etc, etc Feb 08 01:00:32 Damion2: not someone who goes near london Feb 08 01:01:01 crashanddie_: also multiplied by how annoying it'd be to detect the fraud. Feb 08 01:01:05 crashanddie_: for hsbc? I'm sure natwest decided to save money on the contracter rates for the programmer who could write that and got a temp to just have a routine return rand() Feb 08 01:01:47 they go through the list by order of transaction (biggest first), and they can only handle that many transactions per day. This means that if you have fraud going for $20 on your account, there's a good chance they won't spot it. A payment of $3000 in Australia, however, is pretty surely going to be called as a bluff Feb 08 01:02:21 that reminds me I'm off to singapore and newzealand in a few days, I wonder if warning them in advance will help Feb 08 01:02:48 my n97 took >30mins to pick up gps after being unused for weeks and not having a sim Feb 08 01:02:54 (or worse, $8000 in India, as I had it happen two weeks ago. I only spotted it when I looked at my statement and saw a 4000 pound credit on my account with a "Fraud reimbursement" message, they didn't even call me) Feb 08 01:02:59 which relates to that bug on the gps on the n900 Feb 08 01:03:05 if you can't use agps things are painful Feb 08 01:03:36 * Damion2 uses his cards a lot, I'm quite surprised I've never had any fraud Feb 08 01:03:52 I've had my cc since about 94 Feb 08 01:04:20 paypal are currently screwing india Feb 08 01:04:27 and same sort/acc on my current, never seen any sign of naughtyness, just been called loads of times whenever I buy somethuing Feb 08 01:04:35 http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/1830222/Paypal-Reverses-Payments-Made-To-Indians Feb 08 01:05:36 okay bedtime Feb 08 01:05:55 the thing that pisses me off is that they'll call you at whatever time is convenient for them Feb 08 01:06:08 without thinking that, if there's a transaction in Australia, you might BE THER Feb 08 01:06:10 +E Feb 08 01:07:06 someone send me a message with "qole," to test my N900 notify please? Feb 08 01:07:14 qole: Feb 08 01:07:16 qole, Feb 08 01:07:19 qole_ Feb 08 01:07:33 qole> Feb 08 01:07:46 test for qole Feb 08 01:07:49 ok not working thanks Feb 08 01:07:51 test for qole, Feb 08 01:09:13 again? Feb 08 01:09:52 crashanddie_, again? Feb 08 01:10:30 qole: no Feb 08 01:10:34 qole: Feb 08 01:10:36 qole, Feb 08 01:10:39 qole_ Feb 08 01:10:41 test for qole Feb 08 01:10:43 test for qole, Feb 08 01:11:04 argh, what am I doing wrong? Feb 08 01:11:55 gotta figure out to get external program to do notify? Feb 08 01:13:45 Ah, that was a good halftime show. Feb 08 01:17:24 trying to get this to work: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=477505&postcount=22 Feb 08 01:22:56 * DocScrutinizer fsckng wonders where those polite customs to mention original author have been gone Feb 08 01:25:48 Send a DCMA takedown notice Feb 08 01:26:30 SpeedEvil: on what groups? Feb 08 01:26:32 grounds* Feb 08 01:26:55 I was assuming form context that he wrote the above script Feb 08 01:27:08 hello. I wanted to know if its true that the nseries will all be running maemo by 2012 bc in that case ill hold off the n900 foe rhe moment as im happy with my e71 right now Feb 08 01:27:29 ask muhamadAG Feb 08 01:27:41 SpeedEvil: if so, then it would be copyright infringement, not mere lack of polite customs Feb 08 01:27:56 does anyone know Feb 08 01:28:26 fabter: essentially little has been published about what's to occur Feb 08 01:28:33 ok thanks Feb 08 01:28:36 I would be surprised if they dropped sybian entirely. Feb 08 01:28:47 m Feb 08 01:28:48 fabter: Nseries *already* runs Maemo... Feb 08 01:29:01 some of them Feb 08 01:29:03 luke yes but not the main line Feb 08 01:29:04 n97 Feb 08 01:29:06 N97 Feb 08 01:29:07 n95 Feb 08 01:29:10 N97 is considered Nseries? Feb 08 01:29:13 They do? Feb 08 01:29:32 n770/n800/n810/n900 all run maemo Feb 08 01:29:37 no others do Feb 08 01:29:38 I thought u could not install another os withput serious hacking Feb 08 01:29:46 Those are tablets matw Feb 08 01:29:49 Mate Feb 08 01:29:57 SpeedEvil: n770 does not exist and the 770 is not Nseries :) Feb 08 01:30:08 Hehe Feb 08 01:30:08 meh Feb 08 01:30:14 * SpeedEvil is mostly asleep Feb 08 01:30:19 nomis: nonsense, the kernel source clearly refer to it as N770 :)\ Feb 08 01:30:35 i dont underatand why they dont drop symbian Feb 08 01:30:48 is it snappier better battery life or what Feb 08 01:30:56 fabter: because there is enormous mind-share in it in and out of nokia Feb 08 01:31:08 what is mindshare? Feb 08 01:31:08 [2010-02-07 19:24:16] and I gave him your method for xchat notifications [2010-02-07 19:25:17] DocScrutinizer, http://i49.tinypic.com/of9c7n.png Feb 08 01:31:15 even if maemo was better in every aspect - it wouldn't be droped immediately Feb 08 01:31:22 Ahh Feb 08 01:31:40 mindshare is the dominance of an idea in peoples thoughts. Feb 08 01:31:46 Well i like symbian as i said i have an e71 and love it Feb 08 01:32:03 But apps from one edition are no good for the next Feb 08 01:32:16 Makes me think twice about buying apps etc. Feb 08 01:32:32 Ahh ok thanks for explainign Feb 08 01:32:46 Im actually chatting from symbian now hehhe Feb 08 01:33:27 can someone please send a message starting with "qole," Feb 08 01:33:36 qole hi Feb 08 01:33:54 woo hoo it notified me! Feb 08 01:33:59 wasn't Symbian just opened? Feb 08 01:34:00 Haha Feb 08 01:34:11 yeah i heard that Feb 08 01:34:30 What diff does that make for people who already have phones? Feb 08 01:34:34 using this script http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=477505&postcount=22 Feb 08 01:34:59 luke-jr, EPL, basically Android. Feb 08 01:35:02 "opened" Feb 08 01:35:14 GAN900: meaning what? Feb 08 01:35:19 qole: you have a script somewhere like http://pastebin.com/m33ae300f, you entered the full pathname to that file for audioplayer in xchat settings, and you configured to play some soundfile for highlights? Feb 08 01:35:22 i.e., operators can close it up whenever they want. Feb 08 01:35:23 Android is AFAIK more open than Maemo, on some phones Feb 08 01:35:35 GAN900: how about Nokia phones that shipped with it? Feb 08 01:35:37 Not licensing wise, though. Feb 08 01:35:50 GAN900: licensing wise, all I care about is drivers, so GPL Feb 08 01:35:57 DocScrutinizer, used this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=477505&postcount=22 Feb 08 01:36:01 Android isn't GPL Feb 08 01:36:07 GAN900: Android's kernel is GPL. Feb 08 01:36:12 Its not? Feb 08 01:36:25 luke-jr: captain obvious, is that you? Feb 08 01:36:27 luke-jr, they'd love it if it weren't Feb 08 01:36:36 GAN900: so would Nokia, I bet Feb 08 01:36:44 ok people im off to sleep Feb 08 01:36:44 Android is all about putting power in the hands of operators. Feb 08 01:36:51 See ya later Feb 08 01:37:00 Keep up the good work Feb 08 01:37:06 luke-jr, depends on who at Nokia you're talking to. Feb 08 01:37:23 then I had to set Channel Msg Hilight to a sound file name. Feb 08 01:37:25 qole: I seen this. Actually I've not seen you put it to work finally Feb 08 01:37:27 I'm sure the S60 guys would. Feb 08 01:37:30 GAN900: oh, so 100% of the Android camp is anti-GPL? Feb 08 01:37:32 Anyone here a fan of the di.fm streams and doesn't mind testing something out for me? Feb 08 01:38:00 anyhow, nothing wrong with EPL Feb 08 01:38:33 the N900 buzzes, LED flashes, and I used message sound Feb 08 01:39:10 /usr/share/sounds/chat-msg_in_bg.wav Feb 08 01:40:58 Now I can leave xchat open in the bg and my N900 will notify me if someone asks me a question! Feb 08 01:41:34 qole: actually my original script had no stupid 'sound_file=/path/to/your/sound/file' and used 'aplay $1' istead Feb 08 01:42:04 DocScrutinizer, that makes more sense. Feb 08 01:42:08 so you can set up the sound via xchat's standard config dialog Feb 08 01:45:16 DocScrutinizer, did you make that script and 'Master Po' stole it, or are you 'Master Po'? Feb 08 01:45:30 #1 it seems Feb 08 01:46:07 though I'd not claim he stole it. maybe just same idea Feb 08 01:46:13 Mapping fn-right to Tab is very very helpful in XChat!! Feb 08 01:46:59 qole: doesn't work on QWERTZU kbd. blue-right is down Feb 08 01:47:46 I'm using shift-space now Feb 08 01:49:35 DocScrutinizer, (just used it there!) whatever key works for you! Tab is so important! Feb 08 01:50:30 I really don't understand how they could not have a Tab key on the N900. Feb 08 01:52:27 qole: well they should have thought about a better slide mechanism to free up space for a whole 4th row of keys on kbd Feb 08 01:52:54 DocScrutinizer, yes t Feb 08 01:53:43 DocScrutinizer, yes an extra row would be nice... I hit the Enter key too easily too :) Feb 08 01:54:49 xchat for N900 just needs one of those Hildon pannable areas instead of the scrollbar area... Feb 08 01:58:59 yup, eventually finally. For now I'd be happy with larger hot-area for the scrollbuttons, or even better a keymapping for line-by-line scroll Feb 08 02:04:59 Hello Feb 08 02:05:25 What format does the camcorder from the N900 record in Feb 08 02:05:25 What's the max icon size now for packages? 48x48? Feb 08 02:05:54 *doesnt own a N900* Feb 08 02:06:53 I dont think anyone here ever speaks Feb 08 02:06:55 =/ Feb 08 02:07:20 ??? Feb 08 02:07:33 ohhhhhh: they're all n00bs watching violence on TV probably Feb 08 02:07:34 <.< Feb 08 02:07:40 maybe so Feb 08 02:07:42 ohhhhhh: but I don't have a N900 either, so I can't help Feb 08 02:07:54 oh, well Im thinking of buying one, but trying to get more info Feb 08 02:08:05 im tied between a Nexus 1 and an N900 Feb 08 02:08:14 ohhhhhh: wait for Nexus Two? :p Feb 08 02:08:17 my previous Nokia N95 was a great phone Feb 08 02:08:34 Well, so far, the video recording abilities on the current Nexus 1 dont look that great to me Feb 08 02:08:42 My N95 shot great pics and video Feb 08 02:08:45 in mp4 format Feb 08 02:09:02 Current android goes to 3pg format , which is terrible for me to work with and poor quality Feb 08 02:09:08 dunno, if I want to record video I'd use a video cam Feb 08 02:09:14 sighh, not me Feb 08 02:09:27 If I want video, I want it on the best handheld phone device I can get Feb 08 02:09:34 N900 -> mp4 Feb 08 02:09:51 nice, would you say the quality is better, or the same as the N95? or other nokia phones? Feb 08 02:10:03 no idea Feb 08 02:10:49 what about using daily apps Feb 08 02:11:00 like facebook , twitter, IM Feb 08 02:11:09 ohhhhhh: N900 isn't phone Feb 08 02:11:12 n97 is the better upgrade over n95. n900 is a fantastic iphone killer, ideal for unix geeks but lacking a ton of features Feb 08 02:11:14 i know its a fuckin tablet Feb 08 02:11:21 that makes phone calls Feb 08 02:11:23 = phone to me Feb 08 02:11:25 tablet's can't do that. Feb 08 02:11:56 what would you say compared N97 to the N900 Feb 08 02:12:04 I know the N900 has to be faster Feb 08 02:12:05 for sure Feb 08 02:12:08 hmm Feb 08 02:12:12 N97 is Symbian Feb 08 02:12:15 yup Feb 08 02:12:31 N900 is based on Linux Feb 08 02:12:33 the cpu is quicker but it's apples n oranges Feb 08 02:12:35 my N95 was always laggy even with a task killer Feb 08 02:12:37 twitter, facebook, other crap there's installers for that which come preinstalled on N900. Never tried one of them Feb 08 02:12:38 Maemo Feb 08 02:13:19 Also had a Nokia E71 , but was sad that nokia never cared much about the firmware after release to ever update to fix issues with the camera Feb 08 02:13:29 so I gave up waiting and sold it Feb 08 02:13:37 video quality was poor on that phone Feb 08 02:13:45 great device otherwise Feb 08 02:13:49 ohhhhhh: that's pretty common for Nokia in general, at least after some time Feb 08 02:13:59 rule of thumb: if you wonder to get either iPhone or N900, then you for sure should get iPhone Feb 08 02:14:02 I'm forcing myself to use the n900 and fix the stuff I want on it to work Feb 08 02:14:12 the iphone is garbage Feb 08 02:14:16 n97 is kinda better otherwise Feb 08 02:14:19 ohhhhhh: true Feb 08 02:14:45 I use a mytouch3g which I have rooted Feb 08 02:14:45 the shell for me a unix geek is **cking great to have on the n900 Feb 08 02:14:48 GPS never really worked on N810; N900 sounds like it's better, but has some other issues that are "fixed in Maemo 6" (which won't support N900) Feb 08 02:14:54 I enjoy it, but the cam is trash Feb 08 02:15:03 I enjoyed the G1 layout better Feb 08 02:15:24 luke-jr: oh, that was confirmed? where was the article? Feb 08 02:15:25 what do you mean Maemo 6 wont support it? Since when? Feb 08 02:15:39 I dont believe that Feb 08 02:15:42 luke-jr: spreading unconfirmed FUD on maemo6 isn't helpful Feb 08 02:15:46 Damion2: no idea Feb 08 02:15:47 agreed Feb 08 02:16:04 DocScrutinizer: didn't some Nokia rep say that M6 won't suport N900? Feb 08 02:16:11 nope Feb 08 02:16:24 I personally feel Nokia is putting more into this, as it might be the future of Nokia, no my symbian Feb 08 02:16:29 ohhhhhh: luke-jr not yet Feb 08 02:16:41 some guy at some conf claims to have heard it at the sme conf others didn't hear the same thing Feb 08 02:16:51 at the very least, isn't it confirmed that M6 requires multitouch? Feb 08 02:17:03 luke-jr: nope Feb 08 02:17:11 multitouch on m6 needs multitouch Feb 08 02:17:13 luke-jr: nope, it will *support* mt Feb 08 02:17:24 what was GeneralAntilles ranting about the other day then? <.< Feb 08 02:17:40 and what means "needs multitouch"??? for some freaking gestures? Feb 08 02:17:41 What about skype video calls with it, does that work currently? Feb 08 02:17:53 nope Feb 08 02:17:58 I suspect they might have libs and api for mt which some enterprising souls port to kludged mt on reistikve Feb 08 02:18:38 ohhhhhh: only voice, fring might do skype vid. google video talk works Feb 08 02:18:58 odd that google video talk would work and not skype video humm Feb 08 02:19:28 google is more open? there are other im clients support it I believe Feb 08 02:20:13 skype is **crypted** binary crap, proprietary, and really poor coding Feb 08 02:20:54 skype has annoyingly become a defacto standard with reliable multiplatform clients Feb 08 02:21:13 also the frontcam was err... suboptimal quality with previous maemo5 rev Feb 08 02:27:47 * DocScrutinizer wonders how a statement like "crypted binary and poor coding" could go unnoticed. Anyway... it's true Feb 08 02:29:45 DocScrutinizer: can you please keep your personal inflammatory opinions to yourself? Feb 08 02:29:53 it's 3am Feb 08 02:30:00 most sane people would be sleeping Feb 08 02:30:08 only the physically ill would be awake Feb 08 02:30:29 Hey, as a physically fine person, I resent that. Feb 08 02:30:35 I'm only ill mentally. Feb 08 02:31:01 "That boy isn't right in the head," as grandma used to say, God rest her soul. Feb 08 02:31:56 it's only 2:30 Feb 08 02:32:22 Only 8:30pm in Chicago. Feb 08 02:32:47 9:30pm here Feb 08 02:33:35 luke-jr: gps on n810 and n900 are pretty similar ime Feb 08 02:33:48 but i never hasd issues with n810 gps either Feb 08 02:34:16 ShadowJK: some 1.5 years ago it really sucked Feb 08 02:34:43 then they came up with AGPS, and that made quite a difference Feb 08 02:35:09 yes Feb 08 02:36:15 even without agps, it had acquired lock if I switched it on, put it in car, started car, unplugged car, wiped snow off car Feb 08 02:36:21 now the major diff between N810 and N900 GPS is: N900 has less problems to support internet access for AGPS Feb 08 02:37:17 and it should deal better with large moves between gps uses too Feb 08 02:43:11 grr, i keep getting kicked... inactivity tieout? Feb 08 02:43:31 * qole (~qole@Maemo/community/council/qole) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Feb 08 02:43:49 hey qole :) Feb 08 02:44:36 microlith, thanks. I have to ping every 240 seconds? Maybe Maemo xchat hangs up? Feb 08 02:44:56 qole: it pings more frequently, freenode just kills you after 240 seconds Feb 08 02:45:19 I've only had issues when I flop back and forth between wifi and gprs Feb 08 02:45:41 well of course Feb 08 02:45:45 microlith, so why do I get kicked? Problem with the N900 client? Feb 08 02:46:08 unless you're doing some magic with vpn your ip is changing Feb 08 02:46:08 qole: no clue, I've never had issues getting punted. first thing that comes to mind is checking your connections. Feb 08 02:46:22 I just left the N900 sitting on the table... Feb 08 02:46:52 connected to wifi, screen off.. Feb 08 02:47:45 Probably powersaving or something. Feb 08 02:47:55 probably Feb 08 02:48:10 my router won't talk nice to my N900 with powersaving on Feb 08 02:49:32 I'd like to know what they changed about powersaving max so that it doesn't work for me like it used to on the N810. Feb 08 02:49:59 My router (wrt54GL) is usually excellent with N900 Feb 08 02:51:21 zerojay, I would like to know too. Feb 08 02:51:48 I gotta run powersaving on medium on my home wifi. Feb 08 02:52:16 ShadowJK: GPS is completely different N810 vs N900 Feb 08 02:52:28 * SpeedEvil wants his 600 seconds! Feb 08 02:52:36 240 second pingout sucks. Feb 08 02:54:45 How to keep XChat pinging? Feb 08 02:57:15 If your IRC client hasn't responded in 4 minutes, 10 minutes isn't really going to help. :) Feb 08 02:59:08 am I kicked again? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 08 02:59:57 2010