**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 11 02:59:57 2010 Feb 11 03:20:44 /win 19 Feb 11 03:20:48 oops :) Feb 11 03:21:17 * DocScrutinizer wonders what /win might do :-) Feb 11 03:22:22 hmm prolly irssi switch-chan Feb 11 03:27:42 DocScrutinizer: You'll win IRC. Feb 11 03:30:32 I got the loser's ticket: /win: Error: unknown command Feb 11 04:15:54 snybody figure out how to resolder the mini usb to n900 board? Feb 11 04:17:45 pupnik: send it back to retailer for a replacement Feb 11 04:22:00 hmm :( Feb 11 04:22:19 i hope this does not happen to me :( Feb 11 04:22:57 * b-man17 is verry careful with the usb port Feb 11 04:23:56 if what texrat says that it's not the port getting teared off the solder pads, but the solder pads getting teared off the PCB, then there's nothing left to solder the port to :/ Feb 11 04:24:33 b-man17: it's the AC adapter hooks IIRC Feb 11 04:24:35 that get stuck Feb 11 04:24:43 I got a DC-10 today. Its microusb plug is frighteningly tight fit in n900... Feb 11 04:24:47 b-man17: workaround seems to be making the hooks weaker Feb 11 04:28:22 hmm Feb 11 04:28:29 how do you remove scratchbox and the maemo sdk? Feb 11 04:31:31 * b-man17 pulls up the sdk guide Feb 11 04:32:47 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#uninstall Feb 11 04:33:11 that should help Feb 11 04:33:18 even with the current, non-beta sdk? Feb 11 04:34:03 it should work - the setup is the same Feb 11 04:39:31 luke-jr: btw i'm experimenting with an omap3 optimized port of gentoo on my n900 :) Feb 11 04:39:42 ... Feb 11 04:39:59 neuvoo Feb 11 04:40:08 ? Feb 11 04:40:55 luke-jr: ? Feb 11 04:41:10 GeneralAntilles: ping Feb 11 04:41:19 b-man17: ? Feb 11 04:41:26 lol Feb 11 04:41:33 b-man17: btw, you're not in #gentoo-embedded :P Feb 11 04:41:49 i know :P Feb 11 04:42:13 luke-jr: you're not a moderator of this channel Feb 11 04:42:46 crashanddie: huh? Feb 11 04:43:28 luke-jr: don't tell people off because they talk about something not specific to maemo, but still around a maemo-based device Feb 11 04:43:44 ... i was just suggesting a channel to him -.- Feb 11 04:43:47 luke-jr: plus, the channel is dead as ever... 20 lines of speach in the past hour ^^ Feb 11 04:43:58 we might as well invite bots to keep it alive :P Feb 11 04:44:04 oh do it Feb 11 04:44:04 crashanddie, pong? Feb 11 04:44:12 crashanddie: invite Miyu, Little_Death, and toobparts Feb 11 04:44:14 they're fun Feb 11 04:46:28 crashanddie: I wasn't saying "you shouldn't be saying that here", but rather "oh, then you might be interested in that channel, too" Feb 11 05:09:31 hm, maemo-mplayer needs a sane default conf file Feb 11 05:09:41 ao=pulse in it atleast Feb 11 05:10:27 wasn't that slower? Feb 11 05:10:49 Yeah but using alsa direct and you block everything else that'd want to use audio Feb 11 05:10:52 like, uh, phone Feb 11 06:03:46 wow Feb 11 06:04:06 my alarm just went off Feb 11 06:04:12 and i couldnt snooze it Feb 11 06:04:34 the touchscreen was not reacting, i had to muffle it Feb 11 06:06:01 heh Feb 11 06:06:55 it was vibrating on touch, but didnt do anything Feb 11 06:07:01 strange Feb 11 06:07:05 how did you kill it? Feb 11 06:07:13 i waited a minute Feb 11 06:07:21 heh Feb 11 06:07:51 it stopped ringing, but the dialog was still there, not reacting Feb 11 06:09:56 LuciusMare, you can snooze by turning it over. Feb 11 06:10:16 throwing it against the wall sometimes works too, you gotta give it some backspin though Feb 11 06:11:31 oh. Feb 11 06:12:16 and, when it magically started working there was this dialog "turn the offline mode off?" Feb 11 06:12:19 morning! Feb 11 06:17:47 GeneralAntilles: that's a nice feature Feb 11 06:21:32 but i felt silly when muffling a phone with a pillow Feb 11 06:35:47 moorning tigert Feb 11 06:36:48 morning Feb 11 06:36:57 back to work :) Feb 11 06:50:52 Morning, all Feb 11 06:52:33 * timeless_mbp is playing games w/ mercurail Feb 11 06:52:37 s/rail/rial/ Feb 11 06:56:11 what video formats are hardware accelerated in N900 ? Feb 11 07:26:08 Passeli: everything that is on by default on the device. Feb 11 07:26:47 they have different quality in layers between gst and dsp, but they all all hw accelerated. Feb 11 07:29:12 * slonopotamus yawns Feb 11 07:30:59 Morning! Feb 11 07:46:44 anyone with N800 @ Diablo here? need the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list - would be nice if someone could pastebin it (can be with custom sources ot standard, just working) :D Feb 11 07:59:46 what's with everyone joining suddenly? Feb 11 08:00:21 crashanddie: netsplit Feb 11 08:00:31 k Feb 11 08:10:45 could someone "light" me on the online builder ? what does he do ? does it just do a "make && make install", or does it ran configure Feb 11 08:13:02 it runs a dpkg-buildpackage, within sbdmock/scratchbox Feb 11 08:13:29 but what dpkg-buildpackage does ? Feb 11 08:13:44 it builds a debian source packages into one or more binary packages Feb 11 08:13:46 i mean i really dont know if i have to pass the configure switch somewhere Feb 11 08:14:10 go read up on debian packaging :) Feb 11 08:14:20 i'm doing that since 2 days now Feb 11 08:14:48 i'm lazy :) Feb 11 08:16:10 all this crap is way to complicated Feb 11 08:16:16 to release something Feb 11 08:16:30 it is worth it Feb 11 08:16:46 and tje maemo wiki (building package) is way not enough explaned Feb 11 08:17:15 you need to read 'make package' before 'build package' Feb 11 08:17:40 well i did read the whole maemo crappy documentation Feb 11 08:18:01 "http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing" Feb 11 08:18:28 this is enough for a normal project Feb 11 08:18:54 but this answer nothing about build configuration etc Feb 11 08:18:55 "Creating Debian packages" Feb 11 08:19:14 if you look at debian/rules, there's a call for configure possible i think Feb 11 08:22:39 cpasjuste: google: maemo jebba package Feb 11 08:22:59 yeah i did read that too Feb 11 08:23:15 thats what ive been using lately. simplified and works ok ++ Feb 11 08:24:02 i'll re-read and re-trry :) Feb 11 08:24:08 ok thanks Feb 11 08:25:14 lets try Feb 11 08:38:18 ifreq, this still don't explain how i pass options to the configuration Feb 11 08:38:33 i mean, for the armel build, i need to pass --enable-n900 Feb 11 08:38:51 jebba say : Feb 11 08:38:52 # Compile! Feb 11 08:38:52 oh okay n900 is some special option? :) Feb 11 08:38:52 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc Feb 11 08:39:19 yeah it's a configuration option i added to wesnoth for setting special n900 rules/defines Feb 11 08:39:38 else the thing is clear Feb 11 08:39:44 the jebba explanations Feb 11 08:40:24 well Feb 11 08:40:27 the rules file build opts Feb 11 08:40:31 +contains Feb 11 08:41:27 yeah but then it wont build on i586 Feb 11 08:41:30 x86 Feb 11 08:41:47 if i set the configuration option in the rules file ? Feb 11 08:42:05 i need to determine there on which host we are then pass (or not pass) the configuration option ? Feb 11 08:42:39 well for now i'll go the hackish way Feb 11 08:43:08 i will enable my "--enable-n900" in my configuration file as soon as it detect an armel host Feb 11 08:43:18 seems easier .. :) Feb 11 08:51:05 Lo I've enabled usb networking on my N900 as per the wiki but the expect new "unknown device" doesn't show up on windows for me to give it drivers Feb 11 08:51:07 any ideas? Feb 11 08:51:12 *expected Feb 11 08:51:54 got this in my interfaces file... http://pastebin.com/m67a92639 Feb 11 08:52:13 and usb-network-modules is installed and have restarted the n900 after Feb 11 08:54:31 morning Feb 11 08:57:02 morning Feb 11 08:58:00 ah I didn't have it in pc suite mode to do the usb networking - so now I've got 4 devices... which do I apply my usb networking driver on? Feb 11 08:58:23 Nokia USB Generic / OBEX / OBEX / Phone Parent Feb 11 09:12:06 ebay is going nuts Feb 11 09:12:14 I purchased 3 separate items, all from the same vendor Feb 11 09:12:29 1 was charged in pounds, the other in euros, and a last one in australian dollars... Feb 11 09:12:48 And the website interface randomly shows messages in spanish, french or english Feb 11 09:13:25 maybe it calculated the way you loose the most in currency exchanges :) Feb 11 09:17:30 adeus: currencies aren't loose Feb 11 09:17:49 they've been tightened around the turn of the century Feb 11 09:18:27 currency exchange rates matters Feb 11 09:18:46 USD->PLN in states is lower then USD->PLN in Poland Feb 11 09:19:30 ah, finally less in -devel <3 Feb 11 09:20:04 -o Feb 11 09:49:07 ceh900: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8965 Feb 11 09:49:10 Bug 8965: Battery discharges with wall-charger connected Feb 11 09:49:17 guten morgen Feb 11 09:50:41 Hello Maemo world Feb 11 09:51:35 Do you have some insight on when the N900 gets delivered in germany, other than to amazon? Feb 11 09:53:25 Hi, perhaps some of the people who know anything about ssh keys this and that could help sio2interactive out with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=520610&postcount=108 Feb 11 09:54:31 incorrect permissions, extra spaces Feb 11 09:56:29 although I think newer openssh versions give warnings about permissions Feb 11 09:57:41 I don't know about garage specifically, but I've seen mysterious key erros when the public keys have been copied incorrectly Feb 11 09:57:56 i.e. an extra space space in the end for example Feb 11 09:59:51 adeus, should the public key include "ssh-rsa " at the beginning? Feb 11 10:00:43 no Feb 11 10:00:52 or wait Feb 11 10:00:55 ok so it's just the jibberish.. or? Feb 11 10:00:58 I'll look Feb 11 10:01:02 thanks Feb 11 10:01:43 when I cat id_res.pub I get "ssh-rsa mece@guybrush" Feb 11 10:01:56 the whole thing Feb 11 10:02:02 into gitorious at least Feb 11 10:02:05 ok. Feb 11 10:10:13 also, it takes a while after the key upload Feb 11 10:10:20 before it is available Feb 11 10:14:59 is there vala compiler in autobuilder? Feb 11 10:15:51 hrw: it is in extras-devel Feb 11 10:16:35 thx Feb 11 10:16:39 X-Fade: is there a way for me to send something to the autobuilder for it to privately build but not post? Feb 11 10:16:45 i just want to know if it's happy Feb 11 10:16:51 i don't really want it to go anywhere Feb 11 10:17:03 timeless_mbp: No, not atm. Feb 11 10:17:59 ok Feb 11 10:18:01 * timeless_mbp frowns Feb 11 10:18:10 could someone here w/ 51-1 check some stuff for me? Feb 11 10:19:14 sure Feb 11 10:21:25 dpkg -l osso-icons-default libcityinfo0-0 Feb 11 10:21:42 X-Fade: can i do this: Feb 11 10:22:08 Depends: osso-icons-default (> 0.4) || (foo), Feb 11 10:22:21 libcityinfo0-0 (> 0.3) || foo Feb 11 10:22:26 ii libcityinfo0-0 0.5.9-1+0m5 Cities information library. Feb 11 10:22:29 ii osso-icons-default 2.4.1+0m5 OSSO UI icons Feb 11 10:22:32 oops, that first line shouldn't have ()s around foo Feb 11 10:24:13 timeless_mbp: yes, you should. Feb 11 10:24:21 should? Feb 11 10:24:42 + osso-icons-default (>= 2.4.2) || clock-map-fix (>= 0.1-4), Feb 11 10:24:43 + libcityinfo0-0 (>= 0.5.10) || clock-map-fix (>= 0.1-4), Feb 11 10:25:09 * timeless_mbp goes to look for some useful samples Feb 11 10:25:14 * timeless_mbp suspects one only needs a single pipe Feb 11 10:28:14 that's what _she_ said (har har) Feb 11 10:28:46 (2b || !2b) ? 1 : 0; Feb 11 10:31:05 that does simplify the question! Feb 11 10:31:26 shakespear's problem Feb 11 10:31:42 he should have met boole Feb 11 10:34:59 is the game "Go" available for n900? Feb 11 10:35:28 dont know how to search for the game "go" Feb 11 10:35:35 it finds anything but not the game Feb 11 10:35:59 strange that google called a programming language so too, it won't be googleable :-) Feb 11 10:36:55 markus it might be in the bsdgames collection Feb 11 10:38:16 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/hackers-shut-down-austral_n_457071.html Hackers fire a sh*tstorm of porn at .au government. Feb 11 10:38:33 pupnik: thx, in which repo are the bsdgames collection? Feb 11 10:38:51 mmh, my scratchbox suddenly does not have network working Feb 11 10:39:10 although it works from the debian machine that has scratchbox installed Feb 11 10:39:28 search for go-moku, will give metter results Feb 11 10:39:50 * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to punish Autoconf authors, then eat Xorg people for desert. Feb 11 10:39:53 tresh, try updating your dns server : "nano /etc/resolv.conf" inside scratchbox, and "nano /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf" outside scratchbox Feb 11 10:39:58 thresh Feb 11 10:40:16 Fucking bastards, can't come up with a working makefile =( Feb 11 10:40:40 And autoconf makes it possible for them Feb 11 10:41:22 yuck, nano Feb 11 10:43:39 Markus23: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnomoku/ could be ported Feb 11 10:46:09 cpasjuste: of course i did Feb 11 10:46:24 you did update both ? Feb 11 10:46:33 ah duh Feb 11 10:46:39 it is not the same from the outside Feb 11 10:46:42 thank you Feb 11 10:46:43 yep Feb 11 10:47:04 nice, works Feb 11 10:50:48 heh Feb 11 10:50:58 the error i get when doing a search is just a blank info banner Feb 11 10:54:50 if anyone's feeling generous, I'd like to grab a cpu & memory usage graph of my n900 for a few days, along with a ps-list. Is there any way to do this that people have already come up with? Feb 11 10:55:08 if not, I'll just run vmstat + ps or something silly like that. Feb 11 10:55:29 sounds almost like bootchart, except that it doesn't chart memory Feb 11 10:56:59 .oo( I saw some bug report where the guy had an rrdtool graph of his n900's battery usage - should ask him) Feb 11 10:57:24 battery usage? seriously? Feb 11 10:57:31 I thought there was no way to get that info Feb 11 10:57:52 actually, I'm obviously wrong, since the battery applet displays something Feb 11 10:57:58 must've been thinking about estimates Feb 11 11:01:33 No dropbox for maemo? Feb 11 11:01:42 closed source binary Feb 11 11:01:48 not for armel Feb 11 11:02:10 i know Feb 11 11:02:20 go pester them for it :) Feb 11 11:02:21 i meant, not compiled for arm yet Feb 11 11:02:26 mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 Feb 11 11:02:28 Bug 8004: PR1.1 has introduced a battery drain bug (not wifi related) Feb 11 11:02:33 mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2097 Feb 11 11:02:44 they dont stay at freenode, right? Feb 11 11:03:06 it should be possible to port the Ubuntu One client to maemo Feb 11 11:03:20 open-source client, closed-source server; afaiu it's essentially the same thing as dropbox Feb 11 11:03:23 emre saglam - you here? Feb 11 11:03:39 silly name, though -- nothing Ubuntu related in it, other than the company who develops it Feb 11 11:04:06 hi all, how can I tell how is in-charge of a package? Feb 11 11:04:22 cityLights, in theory, apt-cache show packagename will show you that in the Maintainer field Feb 11 11:04:36 in practice, people upload other people's packages to extras and forget to put themselves as the maintainer Feb 11 11:05:03 last entry in debian/changelog can be very useful Feb 11 11:05:18 shame that docpurge makes it impossible to see the changelogs of installed packages Feb 11 11:05:21 ok, I just upgraded the lighttp http server and found a simple bug Feb 11 11:05:50 also, there's the bugtracker field that's supposed to be mandatory Feb 11 11:06:09 in the same package metadata shown by apt-cache show Feb 11 11:06:32 Or there could be a script using the web interface (using html parser) Feb 11 11:07:14 there is, actually, I think Feb 11 11:07:17 on maemo.org Feb 11 11:07:31 http://maemo.org/packages/ Feb 11 11:08:39 thnkas Feb 11 11:09:05 oh the irony Feb 11 11:09:12 i just called a nokia symbian guy Feb 11 11:09:18 he answered from his iPhone Feb 11 11:09:31 and said he couldn't receive mms/vcards Feb 11 11:09:36 the least people can do is to eat their own dogfood Feb 11 11:09:36 :P Feb 11 11:09:58 i got his name by using my n900 to sip call another nokian in England Feb 11 11:10:04 looks as Rob Williams is the maintainer of this package lighttpd Feb 11 11:10:08 right? Feb 11 11:10:13 morning Feb 11 11:10:23 and used my n900 to look up both of their contact cards Feb 11 11:10:26 lardman? the one since OE? Feb 11 11:10:33 Stskeeps: yeah seriously... Feb 11 11:10:34 indeed Feb 11 11:11:29 ok, as I am new to contrib, how can I tell the maintainer to fix the /etc/init.d file? Feb 11 11:11:35 should I email him? Feb 11 11:11:39 yep Feb 11 11:11:58 preferably with a patch and explanation Feb 11 11:12:01 etc Feb 11 11:12:38 * timeless_mbp closes the w7 vm and opens mer Feb 11 11:12:41 Stskeeps: speaking of mer Feb 11 11:12:45 what's the latest version? Feb 11 11:12:46 hmm, interesting that bug 8004, I'm seeing very variable battery drain Feb 11 11:12:47 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 PR1.1 has introduced a battery drain bug (not wifi related) Feb 11 11:12:48 when I click the link in maemo I get from here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ Feb 11 11:13:00 to here: http://maemo.org/profile/view/jolouis/ Feb 11 11:13:04 but his email is missing Feb 11 11:13:21 should be in the control file Feb 11 11:13:24 I can see it in the apt-cache show lighttpd Feb 11 11:13:26 or has it not been updated? Feb 11 11:13:30 Stskeeps: oh... one thing Feb 11 11:13:33 https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.16 Feb 11 11:13:39 can you please add a RELEASED ON DATE Feb 11 11:13:40 Maintainer: Rob Williams Feb 11 11:13:41 to each release? Feb 11 11:13:49 you can also comment on the packages page and he should receive that Feb 11 11:13:55 Stskeeps: without it, it's incredibly hard to figure out when a release was interesting :( Feb 11 11:14:03 hey simon \o Feb 11 11:14:06 timeless_mbp: our releases are never interesting :P Feb 11 11:14:08 hi gary Feb 11 11:14:18 Stskeeps: "when it wasn't vaporware"? Feb 11 11:14:19 timeless_mbp: current URL for your string set btw? Feb 11 11:14:39 lardman: thanks Feb 11 11:14:59 np Feb 11 11:16:23 is maemo.org down ? Feb 11 11:16:36 cityLights: no? Feb 11 11:16:57 http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpsd/ -> Error 500 Feb 11 11:17:20 cityLights: That is not down :) Feb 11 11:17:53 That is just an error message about that package? Feb 11 11:18:30 lardman: I signed in and I dont see where I can comment on the package page Feb 11 11:19:50 Ok Feb 11 11:19:50 uae4all and picodrive need finishing-up Feb 11 11:19:52 #Sofiq Feb 11 11:19:58 channel Sofiq Feb 11 11:19:59 channel Sofiq Feb 11 11:20:03 #sOFIQ Feb 11 11:20:04 ;] Feb 11 11:20:16 didn't channel spamming go out of fashion in the 90s? Feb 11 11:20:26 cityLights: hmm, let me have a look Feb 11 11:20:34 thanks mate Feb 11 11:21:25 I just joined to remind about free thursday in helsinki but clearly this is the wrong moment :P Feb 11 11:21:28 cityLights: from here http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ click on the relevant release Feb 11 11:21:47 e.g. Fremantle Extras-testing free armel Feb 11 11:21:55 thanks Feb 11 11:21:56 then you can comment on the page that it goes to Feb 11 11:21:59 media player should display full thumbnail list on startup, not display a few then add them slowly while re-sorting Feb 11 11:22:10 lardman: He just made a typo in the url. Feb 11 11:22:20 X-Fade: ah ok Feb 11 11:22:25 and hi :) Feb 11 11:22:38 lardman: lighttp_s_d ;) Feb 11 11:22:51 and hi too ;) Feb 11 11:23:38 this maemo6 security stuff sounds like symbian capabilities, don't like them at all. I'll probably run the device in open mode and ignore drm stuff if at all possible Feb 11 11:23:55 and you'll be free too Feb 11 11:24:07 bug #8989 - someone got it? Feb 11 11:24:08 and able to use the chip for your own gain, heh Feb 11 11:24:09 :P Feb 11 11:24:09 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 Facebook contact ID is used as phone number in messages Feb 11 11:24:09 pillar_: If you want to run experimental stuff, that is your best bet it seems, yes. Feb 11 11:24:24 pillar_: Although in open mode you might have capabilities too? Feb 11 11:24:45 X-Fade: it seems so, but you are able to make your own security policies Feb 11 11:24:50 yes. Feb 11 11:26:11 hrw: is facebook a nokia supported thing? Feb 11 11:26:36 oh! Feb 11 11:26:38 * timeless_mbp gets it Feb 11 11:26:40 yeah um Feb 11 11:26:46 caller id works that way :) Feb 11 11:26:53 pillar_: But it all depends on which capabilities are set and how strict they are. Feb 11 11:27:02 caller id matches on the last 7 or 8 numbers Feb 11 11:27:12 X-Fade: yeah Feb 11 11:27:12 timeless_mbp: but should check phone fields only Feb 11 11:27:12 because not all providers send more numbers Feb 11 11:27:14 so it has to Feb 11 11:27:31 1. Add Facebook contact for Joe - it will be listed as number Feb 11 11:27:52 suihkulokki: i wanted to pong ping poke or kick you Feb 11 11:27:55 but i don't remember why :) Feb 11 11:28:12 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 11 11:28:19 I don't get how they now say that location needs to be that kind of restricted capability - apps can abuse it and so on - that's how it is with maemo5. Haven't noticed too much abuse Feb 11 11:28:22 my hg repo is ~20mb as a bundle Feb 11 11:28:34 hrw: that is confusing, what kind of contact field did it add? did you use the telepathy-haze thingy or the yesterday announced facebook jabber server? Feb 11 11:29:01 timeless_mbp: I'm sure you'll poke again if was important :) Feb 11 11:29:19 what were we talking about yesterday? :) Feb 11 11:29:20 suihkulokki: check 'extra software installed' field - I am using Facebook from haze plugin Feb 11 11:29:23 ooh, 24mb Feb 11 11:30:09 pillar_: Depends on how you define privacy I guess. Feb 11 11:30:15 suihkulokki: added note Feb 11 11:30:32 #bulgaria Feb 11 11:30:32 #bulgaria Feb 11 11:30:33 #bulgaria Feb 11 11:30:35 pillar_: If maemo.org gets the location capability, then there is nothing to worry about for instance. Feb 11 11:30:48 X-Fade: yeah Feb 11 11:31:16 Also having to reboot to switch modes is a pain.. Feb 11 11:31:20 pillar_: And be assured that I'm already on that case ;) Feb 11 11:31:32 X-Fade: good to hear! Feb 11 11:31:53 * satmd reports ludia Feb 11 11:32:50 pillar_: I don't know if you really want to switch modes. Feb 11 11:32:56 pillar_: More than once at least. Feb 11 11:34:37 X-Fade: well, as much as I would like to think I won't need any of the DRM'd stuff, the reality most likely will be that I will get something under drm and then switching is needed Feb 11 11:34:56 .. since I don't want to give up all the open stuff just for that Feb 11 11:34:59 suihkulokki: even added screenshots Feb 11 11:35:26 pillar_: We'll need to see how that is implemented, not much is known about that. Feb 11 11:35:42 Oooh Feb 11 11:35:45 so, do i really need a configuration file to upload to autobuilder ? Feb 11 11:35:47 bug #8990 just created Feb 11 11:35:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8990 Standard MediaWiki tables don't get any CSS styles without "wikitable" attribute Feb 11 11:35:50 for the data .. Feb 11 11:35:54 10 away from the turnover... Feb 11 11:35:55 X-Fade: about what? the switching? Feb 11 11:36:02 X-Fade, Hi there Feb 11 11:36:20 Are the changes that were made to the standard Mediawiki install all in version control somewhere? Feb 11 11:36:54 Or is the system install of mediawiki really the unchanged distro version? Feb 11 11:36:55 dneary: I think they are in a garage project, but I didn't do them. Feb 11 11:37:15 There are some strange things I can't explain (re. "You have new messages" bug w/ User_talk pages) Feb 11 11:37:20 hrw: right. now it is less confusing. Feb 11 11:37:30 There is some stuff in midgard2maemo Feb 11 11:37:35 But not everything, I think Feb 11 11:38:00 At least, I have not been able to reproduce MaemoWiki bugs using a base mediawiki + midgard2maemo Feb 11 11:38:14 who's the best person for that topic? Ferenc? Feb 11 11:38:48 dneary: Just search for wiki on garage? Feb 11 11:39:10 I mean, do you know who made any changes to mediawiki that were done? Feb 11 11:39:36 I *have* the Maemo2009 style for the mediawiki - it's in maemo2midgard Feb 11 11:39:38 dneary: The only change is the auth module. Feb 11 11:39:53 I don't see why there'd be two different places where we'd put stuff Feb 11 11:39:54 dneary: Afaik. And ferenc did that one. Feb 11 11:40:00 OK Feb 11 11:40:09 And the actual roll-out & install, that was you? Feb 11 11:40:19 I mean, you know where it's deployed? Feb 11 11:40:19 No, Ferenc. Feb 11 11:40:24 OK Feb 11 11:40:29 Is he still away this week? Feb 11 11:40:41 Yes, ofcourse we have a separate vm for that and I have full access. Feb 11 11:41:21 dneary: What do you want to do btw? Feb 11 11:41:31 suihkulokki: and now have to wait for maemo7 to get fix Feb 11 11:41:39 I want to make sure that bug #8791 gets fixed Feb 11 11:41:40 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8791 After editing User_talk: page, two "You have new messages (last change)." banners are on each wiki page. Feb 11 11:42:21 anyone knows the proper command to format the micro sd card from the device ? Feb 11 11:42:23 And I want to understand how the wiki is deployed, what changes we've made, and document all that so that people can fix similar bugs in the future without having to annoy you or Ferenc Feb 11 11:42:23 dneary: That is just a style issue. Feb 11 11:42:24 (if possible at all) Feb 11 11:42:49 bilboed-pi: sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 Feb 11 11:43:02 then mkfs.$fstype Feb 11 11:43:03 Not just a style issue, because there is content generated in the html which depends on a variable which should be unset when you arrive in the user_talk page Feb 11 11:43:29 dneary: Ah, well then it should be an upstream bug already? Feb 11 11:43:31 And if we're messing with things like that in the theme & style, then there are serious issues to fix Feb 11 11:43:41 No - upstream doesn't have the same problem Feb 11 11:43:48 Thus, I'd like to investigate Feb 11 11:43:51 bilboed-pi: if you format the first partition not as vfat, you'll get an annoying (but harmless) error message each time you boot or insert the card Feb 11 11:44:05 And as I said, I haven't been able to reproduce a Maemo wiki with upstream + midgard2maemo Feb 11 11:44:11 dneary: Well we use upstream + our styles :) Feb 11 11:44:17 hrw: well at least with that bugreport ;) people will only see "facebook" and "haze acoounts" and assume it is 3rd party plugin issue... Feb 11 11:44:20 So I'd like to have a look at what's installed & deployed Feb 11 11:44:23 Without changing it Feb 11 11:44:28 Of course Feb 11 11:44:38 Seems reasonable to me Feb 11 11:45:13 suihkulokki: suggest better naming then? Feb 11 11:45:16 dneary: ii mediawiki 1:1.12.0-2lenny3 website engine for collaborative work Feb 11 11:45:20 ii mediawiki-extensions 1.4 set of extensions for MediaWiki Feb 11 11:45:23 ii mediawiki-math 1:1.12.0-2lenny3 math rendering plugin for MediaWiki Feb 11 11:46:22 can anyone pls explain why google calender doesnt sync? Feb 11 11:46:38 maybe "number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from sms fields of contacts" Feb 11 11:46:44 Thanks Feb 11 11:46:50 Do you know what host they're on? Feb 11 11:47:02 dneary: wiki Feb 11 11:47:17 dneary: Obviously :) Feb 11 11:47:28 is pairing with a blank passkey allowed on the n900? Feb 11 11:47:29 I assumed that was a vhost Feb 11 11:47:31 heya all Feb 11 11:47:42 heya wazd Feb 11 11:47:47 dneary: No, all services are separate vms now. Feb 11 11:47:48 alternative fix is the "document it", eg tell IM plugin writers not store account id's as plain numbers Feb 11 11:47:48 Stylesheets come from static though, right? Feb 11 11:47:56 And are deployed from midgard2maemo? Feb 11 11:48:17 I was about to ask this! Feb 11 11:48:24 dneary: View source. Feb 11 11:48:25 dneary: cool Feb 11 11:48:26 doubleukay, ... I formatted the card as vfat... but it complains it's not supported Feb 11 11:49:18 X-Fade, Doesn't answer the second question (how they get there) but that's OK. Thanks Feb 11 11:49:20 dneary: There you see that the default styling is maemo.org and a few wiki specific ones in the style and ones you can edit in the wiki. Feb 11 11:49:28 suihkulokki: good idea Feb 11 11:50:14 bilboed-pi: hm ok. what's the exact error message? Feb 11 11:50:27 suihkulokki: "number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts" is much nicer Feb 11 11:50:40 dneary: But basically everything lives in maemo2midgard for styling and needs to be deployed by pinging an admin. Feb 11 11:51:07 doubleukay, Memory card corrupted Feb 11 11:51:24 X-Fade, So it's an svn up somewhere on wiki? Feb 11 11:51:31 X-Fade: BTW, maemo.org started losing logins again. Have to relogin every hour or so Feb 11 11:51:52 bilboed-pi: hmm.. not sure if i can help you there Feb 11 11:51:59 dneary: for the wiki style part, yes. Static obviously needs an update on static. Feb 11 11:51:59 perhaps put it into a desktop and format it? Feb 11 11:52:34 RST38h: Looking into it. Sessions seem to be very short. Feb 11 11:55:45 lcuk: are http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase_library_overview and http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase still relevant? Feb 11 11:55:49 they look out of date Feb 11 11:56:53 is it possible to share many photos at the same time or just one by one? over service (facebook for example) ? Feb 11 11:58:43 is Feb 11 11:58:43 amigadave, yes, but do me a favour, just send me a reminder mail about the pages to liquid@gmail.com the information is correct in them it just needs refreshing Feb 11 11:59:00 pillar_, in the icon view Feb 11 11:59:17 lcuk: cool, thanks :) Feb 11 11:59:48 adeus: hmm, where is that Feb 11 12:00:07 the icon view? Feb 11 12:01:04 amigadave, you know what would be better Feb 11 12:01:08 or thumbnail view maybe a better term Feb 11 12:01:14 adeus: oh ok Feb 11 12:01:15 file bugs against them - theres liqbase components now Feb 11 12:01:19 there click "all images" Feb 11 12:01:22 bugs.maemo.org Feb 11 12:01:32 there's an share option Feb 11 12:01:37 -n Feb 11 12:01:46 lcuk: that does sound better, will do Feb 11 12:01:50 adeus: nice that works Feb 11 12:02:01 * lcuk nods Feb 11 12:02:14 Got some echo there. Feb 11 12:02:19 Ah, wrong channel. Feb 11 12:03:45 adeus: that doesn't seem to let me define title and description though Feb 11 12:04:07 Is anyone else finding push gmail excruciatingly slow on the N900? Feb 11 12:04:33 I should say "delayed" I suppose, emails seem to hit my phone long after they hit my inbox Feb 11 12:07:51 pillar_, well then you're probably stuck back with the individual send.. Feb 11 12:07:57 or set them on the other side Feb 11 12:08:36 Shucks, it's not even push! that might be why Feb 11 12:08:42 adeus: ok, just wanted to make sure it's not just me, thanks Feb 11 12:10:14 easier on the comp anyway Feb 11 12:11:13 * bilboed-pi must not freak out at always seeing "Memory card corrupted" Feb 11 12:12:34 ... maybe we can take the voice recorder and add tracks. monitor existing tracks with headphones Feb 11 12:13:04 bilboed-pi: eeks Feb 11 12:13:16 pupnik: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00298_jpg.jpeg.html maybe it helps. Probably you need hot air reflow to esolder the micro-USB if it s same type as on N810. OTOH watch the powerjack receptacle same picture. It's spring contacted. Maybe they used same technics for usb on N900 Feb 11 12:13:32 * cehteh set the commit interval to 600 and laptop_mode to 3600 ... less writes to the mmc Feb 11 12:15:10 DocScrutinizer: i dont have the tools to dissect nokias n900. will ujse external charger for now Feb 11 12:15:38 external universal charger is a great tool for all devices Feb 11 12:16:17 * cehteh grinded the hooks from the power supply connector down .. now its much easier to insert/remove Feb 11 12:16:19 especially for those that don'T boot on flat bat, and don't charge flat bat without booting ;-P Feb 11 12:16:55 someone needs to make micro usb cables with flexible leads and no lever arm Feb 11 12:17:02 !!! Feb 11 12:17:08 (talking bout OM devices here) Feb 11 12:17:18 haven't seen any third party microusb cables around here yet Feb 11 12:17:24 pupnik: ack Feb 11 12:17:46 i searched the net ruskie - no results Feb 11 12:18:08 just many with regular length stiff lever arms Feb 11 12:18:55 I tend to quickly but gently unplug the microusb Feb 11 12:19:03 I have a 3rd party cable at home Feb 11 12:19:09 obviously the cradle approach has advantages Feb 11 12:19:31 yeah .. some external charging contacts would be nice .. Feb 11 12:19:39 easy to do.. insert fingernails+fingers between the lever arm and the n900... squeeze and pull evenly Feb 11 12:20:00 cehteh: wireless would be even better :) Feb 11 12:20:13 put it into the microwave oven :) Feb 11 12:20:26 cehteh: Works for my toothbrush for 15 years already or so. Feb 11 12:20:39 The best thing would be nothaving to charge at all Feb 11 12:20:58 check your toothbrush for volume of component! Feb 11 12:21:03 RST38h: Portable nuke :) Feb 11 12:21:04 nucular bateris Feb 11 12:21:04 ruskie: with grinded down connector it feels much better now, at least for the charger, i dont want the usb data cable to slip accidentally out Feb 11 12:21:19 I use either one Feb 11 12:21:20 but even the charger didnt slipped out yet Feb 11 12:21:46 RST38h: i dont want plutonium near my balls Feb 11 12:22:04 don't think that would provide enough power really Feb 11 12:22:28 waht? Feb 11 12:23:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator see 2nd pic Feb 11 12:24:03 timeless? Feb 11 12:24:25 hi ;I Feb 11 12:24:55 the gloving pill? Feb 11 12:25:07 glowing even Feb 11 12:25:27 the N900 needs a nuclear battery Feb 11 12:25:28 ! Feb 11 12:25:38 any new interesting apps for my N900 :D Feb 11 12:25:55 ? Feb 11 12:26:05 "A kilogram of pure 210Po in the form of a cube would be about 48 mm (about 2 inches) on a side and emit about 140kW." Feb 11 12:26:16 cehteh, ~10% efficiency... and reduced to the size that would fit the N900... == not enough power to run it :) Feb 11 12:26:16 yeah, glowing pellet. Somebody pointed to that a few weeks ago :-D Feb 11 12:26:17 More than enough ;) Feb 11 12:26:58 cehteh: why plutonium? Feb 11 12:27:16 ruskie: well instead 238Pu you can use 210Po ... that provides way eough power: P Feb 11 12:27:20 * satmd gets a hampster run in a wheel Feb 11 12:27:20 ruskie: You're near tjernobyl, just go there, dip N900 in water and it will be always on device! Feb 11 12:27:29 cehteh: You probably want an alpha-source, well sealed Feb 11 12:27:34 * DocScrutinizer wonders how TF they build those nuclear detonators o.O Feb 11 12:27:37 tybollt, where the f do you consider my geolocation to be at? Feb 11 12:27:48 RST38h: 238Pu is a alpha source Feb 11 12:27:50 tybollt: hence explaining the urban legend of the n800 dipped into a lake and it kept on playing music Feb 11 12:27:50 tybollt, you are most likely closer then me Feb 11 12:27:51 (iirc) Feb 11 12:27:52 ruskie: no idea, I judged from the nick... :) Feb 11 12:27:58 its not the weapon stuff Feb 11 12:28:06 cehteh: ok, ok, a *sane* alpha-source :) Feb 11 12:28:14 cehteh: tritium, etc Feb 11 12:28:27 Stskeeps: >:) Feb 11 12:28:31 polonium .. but uhm :) Feb 11 12:28:36 Pu is just way too crazy piece of chemistry Feb 11 12:28:38 Stskeeps: I bet all the N800-users tried that too? :) Feb 11 12:28:45 N900 needs moar apps Feb 11 12:28:46 :( Feb 11 12:28:53 why is DrSnoSnes still in -devel ? Feb 11 12:28:54 but you can get polonium for free if you play your cards "right" Feb 11 12:28:55 sirius: write one. Feb 11 12:28:56 MOAR! Feb 11 12:29:02 it should be in testing Feb 11 12:29:07 yeah Feb 11 12:29:09 siriusnova, start coding ;) Feb 11 12:29:10 "drsnoksnes" Feb 11 12:29:18 A kilogram of pure 210Po in the form of a cube would be about 48 mm (about 2 inches) on a side and emit about 140kW. Feb 11 12:29:19 why is it in still in -devel Feb 11 12:29:21 * ruskie is still waiting for Free Software emus Feb 11 12:29:22 in SOVIET RUSSIA ... you get plenty oif polonium free :) Feb 11 12:29:28 glass: Same for americium Feb 11 12:30:26 tybollt: http://www.gradremstroy.ru/news/ostorozhno-radiaciya-vokrug-nas.html Feb 11 12:30:30 Here. FEED. Feb 11 12:31:30 * RST38h is actually going to give this URL to every idiot who mentions getting radioactive sources Feb 11 12:31:41 scary, facebook xmpp actually is nice Feb 11 12:32:25 what happend to this micro gas turbines which should power phones and laptops by now? Feb 11 12:32:32 too noisy Feb 11 12:34:43 * dazo filed a bug report to facebook xmpp ... for not supporting SSL :-P Feb 11 12:35:02 why bother thinking facebook has privacy :P Feb 11 12:35:30 Stskeeps: not about privacy ... but to protect my login password Feb 11 12:35:53 * dazo don't like the idea of sending username and password in clear text over the Internet Feb 11 12:36:47 RST38h: Na z'dorovje tovarish! Feb 11 12:37:21 RST38h: there where some developement smaller than a matchbox, i doubt that these are loud Feb 11 12:37:52 cehteh: All were loud last time I heard of them Feb 11 12:37:59 timeless_mbp: do you happen to know if someone is actually going to fix the email client? Feb 11 12:38:01 * suihkulokki would like a matchbox-sized nuclear reactor Feb 11 12:38:02 cehteh: apparently, as they get smaller, pitch rises :) Feb 11 12:38:07 dazo: xmpp can/should be encrypted... is facebook version not Feb 11 12:38:10 smaug: which part of it? Feb 11 12:38:22 the slowness part Feb 11 12:38:25 tybollt: exactly my point Feb 11 12:38:29 smaug: the mail client in a future version should stop auto collecting addresses Feb 11 12:38:30 yes prolly above hearable rage in ultrasound for the small ones Feb 11 12:38:40 lol... Feb 11 12:38:44 More portable cancer makers here: http://blogs.mail.ru/mail/klerik2/6482C66199726A0D.html Feb 11 12:38:46 smaug: what mail server are you using it w/ ? Feb 11 12:38:56 i use it w/ MfE and a small window Feb 11 12:38:57 dazo, tybollt: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Integrating_with_Facebook_Chat says that DIGEST-MD5 is used Feb 11 12:38:59 just give us an option to actually be able to select what app is used for what Feb 11 12:39:02 which makes it quite tolerable Feb 11 12:39:05 well, I need imap too Feb 11 12:39:39 like if someone wants to use claws they could assign to open all mailto: links with: claws-mail --compose $mailto Feb 11 12:40:03 RST38h: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/11/48400 Feb 11 12:40:06 old articke Feb 11 12:40:16 smaug: there's a third party that supposedly makes an MfE interface Feb 11 12:40:21 they seem to do a very good job Feb 11 12:40:30 what happend to those .. looked quite promising, prolly failed Feb 11 12:40:31 (i think it's commercial, but the support seems good) Feb 11 12:40:45 smaug: but otherwise, please don't expect much from the mail side Feb 11 12:41:01 :( Feb 11 12:41:02 cehteh: Yea, that is the MIT project. Feb 11 12:41:04 RST38h: btw there are some controversy the russian navy apparently dumped a bunch of containers w/ radioactive shitz into the baltic sea in .se territory when they pulled out of lithuania/latvia/whatever... Feb 11 12:41:04 2.4 million rpm << i doubt you can hear that Feb 11 12:41:20 smaug: mobile mail clients afaict all suck Feb 11 12:41:27 email client is the one I've heard most complaints Feb 11 12:41:29 RST38h: that was big deal in .se just last week :P Feb 11 12:41:32 timeless_mbp! Feb 11 12:41:48 tybollt: Oh Russian Navy is the least of local radioactive problems Feb 11 12:41:56 oh? Feb 11 12:41:58 how so Feb 11 12:42:40 tybollt: 150+ nuclear power sources powering autonomous meteo stations along the northern border, quite a few of them still unaccounted Feb 11 12:43:19 tybollt: industrial radiation sources (the ones that look like heavy electric motors at those pictures) - thousands of these Feb 11 12:43:20 RST38h: Yikes :-S Feb 11 12:44:20 tybollt: Canisters used to irradiate rye during experiments conducted in 50s-60s (these look like 3-5l butane tanks) - lots of these are lost Feb 11 12:45:00 probably ol in Iran by now? ;) Feb 11 12:45:00 tybollt: And then we have got the generic rubbish - medical equipment, watches, military equipment, etc Feb 11 12:45:19 anyone competent in xmpp awake? Feb 11 12:45:19 tybollt: Why would Iran need someone else's rusting radiactive junk? Feb 11 12:45:23 * pupnik wonders when the next nuclear terror strike will happen Feb 11 12:45:34 define compentent Feb 11 12:45:58 RST38h: what's they call it... you know what they do at sellafield in UK. "Enrichment" or something... Feb 11 12:46:03 1) does the facebook xmpp vcard include phonenumber/address/etc Feb 11 12:46:37 2) or does the n900 IM app simply not pull the vcard syncing contacts Feb 11 12:46:44 tybollt: that is uranium or plutonium enrichment. Nothing to do with general radiation sources Feb 11 12:47:46 RST38h: ah these are just radioactive metal or whatever, doesn't contain uranium... of course Feb 11 12:47:51 hello, Feb 11 12:48:13 how can this link here http://pastebin.com/d585878f be user defined ? Feb 11 12:48:36 timeless_mbp: Care for a bug report? :) Feb 11 12:49:12 andre__: thx Feb 11 12:49:24 sure Feb 11 12:49:24 not http://pastebin.com/d585878f but the one in what is pasted. Feb 11 12:49:26 :) Feb 11 12:53:52 is Zenity gui possible on the n900 ? Feb 11 13:02:59 so, is Zenity supported on the n900 ? Feb 11 13:06:44 tronx: do you have zenity installed? Does it exist packages ready for it, at least in extras or devel repositories? If not, then not .... when? when somebody implements it Feb 11 13:07:03 could even be you :) Feb 11 13:07:14 i already found it! Feb 11 13:07:19 does n900 got Emesene? Or is it just Pidgin? Am not very found of Pidgin... Feb 11 13:07:19 thanks a lot :) Feb 11 13:07:51 damn this is good, 2 line GUIs ! Feb 11 13:08:07 * tronx is love'n it! Feb 11 13:08:10 :P Feb 11 13:13:16 Is there a link where i can see whats in the repos? How easy is it to port a *.deb to Maemo? I have understood it should be easy or are compiling the only way? Feb 11 13:14:44 sandman, I've no clue what Emesene is; I think Pidgin was ported, but is not preinstalled; the default IM is a proprietary Nokia app (AFAIU) built on top of Telepathy Feb 11 13:14:55 maemo.org/packages can show you what's in the repos Feb 11 13:14:58 Has anyone managed to sync multiple calendars from google calendar using mfe? Feb 11 13:15:03 seems like it syncs only the first Feb 11 13:15:15 (yeah I know its unsupported) Feb 11 13:15:19 sandman: if you have a x86 .deb you want to install on an arm device, you have to recompile it Feb 11 13:15:24 porting a deb is moderately easy: get a Linux system, set up the SDK, download the source deb, do magic, compile, upload to extras assistant Feb 11 13:19:04 how can I disable hildon banners in my fullscreen app? for example the volume bar when pressing the volume keys Feb 11 13:19:40 you cannot Feb 11 13:19:48 but of course you can take over keys Feb 11 13:20:13 RST38h: they are not showing in bounce or angry birds, for example Feb 11 13:20:35 prolly switching the non-composite mode on prevents that Feb 11 13:20:40 fragment: hmmm...actually, yes... Feb 11 13:20:45 you want that anyways for fullscreen Feb 11 13:21:00 cehteh: Kinda doubt it: when I go to full screen and use fb0, they still TRY to appear Feb 11 13:21:05 cehteh: I have it Feb 11 13:21:14 ok then, just a guess Feb 11 13:21:32 must be another super secret XAtom Feb 11 13:22:13 OMG, Toshiba ships some of its R600 notebooks with OpenSolaris Feb 11 13:22:22 The end of the world must be near indeed Feb 11 13:22:49 still no ssh/sftp/rsync sharing plugin .. hey come one anyone do that please :/ Feb 11 13:22:52 thanks mge :) Feb 11 13:23:18 and koala too =) Feb 11 13:23:21 cehteh: scp works wonders. Feb 11 13:23:52 Shadikka: i meant for the sharing api Feb 11 13:23:57 Ah Feb 11 13:24:01 My bad. Feb 11 13:24:30 just set up your own server as sharing endpoint and let it use some ssh capable file transfer Feb 11 13:24:43 i dont care if it will be scp or rsync or sftp Feb 11 13:27:29 Good day all Feb 11 13:40:10 can scripts run from /home/user/MyDocs ? Feb 11 13:40:25 if you run them explicitly with sh, yes Feb 11 13:40:31 otherwise, the noexec mount option kicks in Feb 11 13:40:50 oh Feb 11 13:41:03 i had to move it to /opt to get it to work Feb 11 13:41:26 mgedmin : whats the best place to put stuff like this ? Feb 11 13:41:37 stuff like what? Feb 11 13:41:41 I put my scripts in /home/user/bin Feb 11 13:41:50 and I have a ~/.profile that adds $HOME/bin to my $PATH Feb 11 13:42:02 scripts Feb 11 13:42:03 /usr/local/bin might also be a good place Feb 11 13:42:24 right, thanks a lot. Feb 11 13:42:50 actually, the default $PATH doesn't include /usr/local, so there's no advantage of that over ~/bin Feb 11 13:43:00 how can I delete calendars? Feb 11 13:43:37 The GPS on N900 ROCKS \o/ Feb 11 13:44:06 10 seconds to fix inside a building Feb 11 13:44:13 MiXu- : whys that? \o/ Feb 11 13:44:16 MiXu-: probably does - but what can it be used bfor? :) Feb 11 13:44:17 fine accuracy or coarse? Feb 11 13:44:19 oh, thats nice. Feb 11 13:44:26 vs. 3 minutes outside on an older Nokia Feb 11 13:44:43 Stskeeps: I don't know and don't really care. :) Feb 11 13:44:52 MiXu-: try to do that without online connection Feb 11 13:45:05 But it's not "+-500meters" if that's what you're suggesting Feb 11 13:45:23 mgedmin : i dont have /home/user/bin if i create it, would i be able to run stuff from there ? Feb 11 13:45:30 MiXu-, I _bet_ you're getting location data from a cell tower Feb 11 13:45:48 pull the SIM card and you'll enjoy 15-minute GPS fix times with no chance inside or near buildings Feb 11 13:45:57 tronx, yes Feb 11 13:46:12 great. Feb 11 13:46:23 mgedmin: It's not just the cell tower Feb 11 13:46:38 There's real gps data in it too Feb 11 13:47:12 agps, yes Feb 11 13:47:14 But the point here is that now it's fast enough to be actually used for geotagging. Feb 11 13:47:17 Yeah. Feb 11 13:47:22 And things like that Feb 11 13:47:48 mh. the builtin mail app kinda doesn't really do a good job. I tried using claws mail on the n900 but that is kinda cramped. does anyone use a mail app different to the builtin one? Feb 11 13:48:12 Shapeshifter: What is it that you're missing? Feb 11 13:48:37 Shapeshifter: after 51.1 I moved to default one. but it still does it poorly Feb 11 13:48:43 * hrw wants ProfiMail/maemo5 Feb 11 13:48:52 MiXu-: proper IMAP Feb 11 13:48:55 andre__: pro or con a 'Licensing' category in bugzilla, where we'd maintain a 'open sourcing' queue through generating reports sorting by votes/priority? Feb 11 13:49:22 MiXu-: and rule based sorting of incoming mails into folders Feb 11 13:49:43 I receive tons of mailing list mails and I don't want them all in my inbox but in subfolders and marked as read automatically. Feb 11 13:49:44 I use gmail so I don't have that problem Feb 11 13:50:03 MiXu-: you mean you have the moving rules online? Feb 11 13:50:12 Shapeshifter: Yes Feb 11 13:50:17 and they show up on the device in the subfolders? mh, that's a good idea Feb 11 13:50:46 I haven't checked the subfolders though, since it's all junk :) Feb 11 13:51:17 Stskeeps, interesting idea... though I'm wondering whether a keyword might make more sense Feb 11 13:51:20 They seem to be there like you'd expect. Feb 11 13:54:48 andre__: general idea is to have it ability to have reports like http://tinyurl.com/ykfexsb where an internal can then see what's currently a hot topic in open sourcing and can select the different priorities/or go by the popular vote etc Feb 11 13:55:23 andre__: and then the internal would assign bug to him/herself, work the internal procedure for the stuff, return with an answer, etc :P Feb 11 13:55:47 also, if it's possible, a custom bug description template (no idea if we support that) Feb 11 13:56:53 uhm, that's a bit more complicated Feb 11 13:57:02 but could be done after having bugzilla 3.4 Feb 11 13:57:05 like, the plain text one Feb 11 13:57:20 otherwise i can always ask people to use a certain one and copy-paste it :P Feb 11 13:57:25 hehe Feb 11 13:57:41 so, either new product, or keyword. I prefer the latter, but I can't really provide arguments :) Feb 11 13:57:50 ncmpc Feb 11 13:57:54 ...oops Feb 11 13:59:10 mh. no mutt package Feb 11 13:59:25 mutt's imap is painful Feb 11 13:59:34 better ssh directly onto your server and run mutt remotely Feb 11 13:59:52 shame about screen screwing things up Feb 11 14:00:06 on a n810 I could open osso-xterm, ssh to my server, run screen, run mutt and all worked perfectly Feb 11 14:00:23 mhh Feb 11 14:00:25 on a n900 if I try that, non-ascii characters bork everything, and my enter key doesn't work (sends OM which mutt ends up not understanding) Feb 11 14:00:33 if I remove screen from the equation, things work fine Feb 11 14:00:36 I don't understand why Feb 11 14:00:50 anyway, I find n900's modest to be acceptable for reading mail Feb 11 14:01:00 I use a utf-8 screen on a remote host and everything works fine Feb 11 14:01:01 mgedmin: odd. I accessed my server using ssh from the n900 and attached to screen running irssi and enter works fine Feb 11 14:01:12 well, i guess keyword would make bugs flow into the right product, but otoh, a 'Licensing' is a nice place to keep it all organised and have the licensing request end up at first tier (me) and then later get assigned to another.. and then priority etc being switched Feb 11 14:01:27 You can try running screen in UTF8 mode like 'screen -U -r' Feb 11 14:01:30 mgedmin: try screen -U Feb 11 14:01:36 and those who are interested in licensing wars can add themselves to that product ;) Feb 11 14:01:58 xt, what does that mean? Feb 11 14:02:01 UTF-8? Feb 11 14:02:04 yes Feb 11 14:02:05 is there a ~/.screenrc option for that? Feb 11 14:02:08 yes Feb 11 14:02:12 defutf8 on, iirc Feb 11 14:02:41 strangest of all, from my laptop (gnome-terminal => same libvte as osso-xterm really) things work fine Feb 11 14:03:18 screen -U helps Feb 11 14:03:27 andre__: think i'll make a proposal on community for it and then return with implementation details when people stopped arguing :P Feb 11 14:03:42 but Enter still won't work Feb 11 14:03:45 under screen Feb 11 14:03:47 Stskeeps, okay :) Feb 11 14:04:13 defutf8 on makes screen destroy my characters (č becomes ?) Feb 11 14:04:48 locale issue? Feb 11 14:05:21 but locale charmap correctly prints UTF-8 (after complaining about LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL) Feb 11 14:05:38 * mgedmin hates GNU screen Feb 11 14:07:16 yep, locale issue Feb 11 14:07:28 adding en_GB en_GB.UTF-8 to /etc/locale.alias fixed screen Feb 11 14:07:30 stupid screen Feb 11 14:07:41 you're supposed to pay attention to LC_CTYPE which already had the .UTF-8 Feb 11 14:07:43 stupid screen Feb 11 14:07:44 for some reason one of my email accounts (a gmail account) always is bold. But I don't have any new mail. I don't really have any mail at all there Feb 11 14:07:45 stupid Feb 11 14:08:43 I suppose the "Enter is an unknown key" issue arises from some vt100 init sequence that screen emits Feb 11 14:09:04 Shapeshifter: the default email account (for sending i think) is highlighted in bold Feb 11 14:09:19 hmm any users of Tweakr around here Feb 11 14:09:21 ? Feb 11 14:09:27 amigadave: ahh Feb 11 14:09:42 mgedmin: it's not screen's fault Feb 11 14:09:49 oh? Feb 11 14:09:49 Shapeshifter: confused me too :) Feb 11 14:12:43 any app for recording sound with the phone? Feb 11 14:12:48 like a dictaphone Feb 11 14:13:00 i want to record a sound in my office. Feb 11 14:13:06 but cant find any app for it really Feb 11 14:14:08 recorder? Feb 11 14:14:24 I'd have to check which repo Feb 11 14:15:44 recorder is in repos Feb 11 14:15:46 ill take that Feb 11 14:15:47 thxs Feb 11 14:15:52 was looking in the app manager Feb 11 14:16:10 a-ha! Feb 11 14:16:17 app manager uses repos :P Feb 11 14:16:22 infocmp -l1 xterm|grep kent -> kent=\EOM Feb 11 14:16:26 you can search inside of appmanager Feb 11 14:16:28 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/11/mdbus2-for-maemo5/ Feb 11 14:16:30 but infocmp -l1 screen|grep kent -> it's not defined! Feb 11 14:16:47 that's why mutt and all other apps cannot recognize my Enter key under screen Feb 11 14:17:33 is there any nice little sound editor in the repos also that works decent on n900 ? Feb 11 14:17:43 so you can cut etc etc Feb 11 14:17:49 no Feb 11 14:18:21 Hy everyone ! Feb 11 14:19:15 I am a happy N900 user and I was wondering if there was a way to display/control the media play while the phone is locked Feb 11 14:19:40 aswat: don't think so .... but how would you imagine that? Feb 11 14:20:13 aswat: it's not necessarily a bad idea ... just how it could be implemented ... if possible, I dunno Feb 11 14:23:07 i need 3-4000 mAh for one day with n900 Feb 11 14:23:15 if using it a lot Feb 11 14:24:38 dazo: Accelerometer, iPod-style. :P Feb 11 14:25:32 Shadikka: actually, there is a accelerometer controller for media player already in one of the extras repos, iirc .... but iPod style ... hey, that should be doable though ;-) Feb 11 14:26:28 Shadikka: just wonder if it's possible to override the normal "lock" screen which you get when hitting the power key .... changing that with "iPod style" controller would be nice Feb 11 14:26:31 dazo: Why am I not actually even surprised.. :D Feb 11 14:26:47 :) Feb 11 14:26:55 I don't know that much about the OS's inner workings, but I'd expect it to be possible. Feb 11 14:27:07 pupnik: 3-4000mAh ~ 3-4 batteries :-P Feb 11 14:27:14 libben: try to convice someone to port Audacity to Maemo http://audacity.sourceforge.net/?lang=sv Feb 11 14:27:45 or two mugens Feb 11 14:27:51 Shadikka: it's just about catching the right hook and override the application being run, and run another one .... shouldn't be worse ... in theory Feb 11 14:28:01 will buy them asap Feb 11 14:28:09 pupnik: considered a hat with solar panels? :-P Feb 11 14:28:48 Indeed, in theory. Feb 11 14:29:25 I want a hat w/ an iron rod innit so I can go out when there's thuinder outside and find out if I'll get struck Feb 11 14:29:45 It'll likely kill me but then I will atleast get the satifaction of knowing if it "works" or not :) Feb 11 14:30:00 tybollt: and if you do .... it would charge your N900 rapidly quickly too!!!! Feb 11 14:30:15 :-P Feb 11 14:30:32 dazo: cactly! Feb 11 14:31:50 tybollt: but in fact ... if that iron rod is grounded .... in theory, you would be inside a Faraday's cage, which means you should not be hit .... that's why it's safe to be inside a car .... the lightning strike is directed around you Feb 11 14:32:21 but please, don't blame me if you decide to test it out!!!!! Feb 11 14:32:43 (faraday: electrons push each other away, thus trying to form a "hull" instead of going to the center) Feb 11 14:34:59 mugen now shipping 2200mAh battery! (?) http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/rss/catalog/category/cid/854/ Feb 11 14:35:42 just added today Feb 11 14:35:46 rss'ed link Feb 11 14:35:47 pupnik, seems like a good deal to me Feb 11 14:36:20 and its 2.4 Ah, not 2.2 Feb 11 14:36:38 http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Feb 11 14:36:42 Yeah, but doesn't it make the machine look a little fat? Feb 11 14:36:50 dont care! Feb 11 14:36:57 I do, it's a phone :) Feb 11 14:37:01 no, it makes the machine look a *lot* fat Feb 11 14:37:43 wow 7mm Feb 11 14:38:07 too bad the larger batt doesnt spread over the whole case width Feb 11 14:39:07 can't really see what they do with the camera, though. Feb 11 14:39:16 makes for a nice hiding place for herb Feb 11 14:39:16 it seems a very unpolished design to just have a mammoth oblong battery and huge back cover for the entire device with tons of wasted volume inside Feb 11 14:39:57 the sliding cover has no lens range Feb 11 14:40:15 you could have your movie collection on microsds inside! Feb 11 14:40:30 rather just carry on lugging my 2000mAh solar recharger with me and keep the phone itself half sensible, and still get more total power Feb 11 14:40:33 is there anyway to get the phone to disconnect internet if it's not being used for like 3-4 minutes? Feb 11 14:41:05 cause right now, if u do something that requieres online, it goes online. But it's a bit of a hassle to disconnect everytime Feb 11 14:41:18 wireless or 2g/3g? Feb 11 14:41:35 wifi Feb 11 14:41:38 and 3g i guess Feb 11 14:41:46 cause it drains the battery also Feb 11 14:42:00 my 3g only connects when im outside the office and starts to stream in mediaplayer Feb 11 14:42:10 then it pops up, and when im done, i need to disconnect. Feb 11 14:42:32 would be nice with something that checked if anything happens within a time range. Feb 11 14:42:40 one click and one tap to disconnet Feb 11 14:42:51 * satmd would love to trigger wireless on when plugging in usb Feb 11 14:43:42 hm Feb 11 14:43:43 shouldn a bash-script be able to do that Feb 11 14:43:56 sure, probably Feb 11 14:43:56 pupnik: well its 2 clicks 2 many =) Feb 11 14:44:06 I have installed the sdk, but not played with it yet Feb 11 14:45:04 so I'd not know where to poke at /proc or /sys Feb 11 14:45:45 wait a sec Feb 11 14:45:54 libben: maybe longpress is something for you Feb 11 14:46:13 toggles offline mode with the slide on the right side Feb 11 14:48:25 apparently mugen could not produce a battery with a stepped design. Feb 11 14:48:29 u mean the lock button on the right side ? Feb 11 14:48:52 yes Feb 11 14:49:07 if you hold it long, it'll toggle Feb 11 14:49:36 installing it now Feb 11 14:49:37 to try it Feb 11 14:49:41 :D Feb 11 14:50:08 it seems longpress caused our company access point to crash right now when I was trying Feb 11 14:50:09 hmm Feb 11 14:50:25 longpress is disabling 3g Feb 11 14:50:38 whats the icon thats popping when surfing without wifi? Feb 11 14:50:39 it's disabling every connectivity Feb 11 14:50:49 so no phone calls? Feb 11 14:50:52 a white ball with 2 arrows Feb 11 14:50:56 yes Feb 11 14:50:57 yeah Feb 11 14:51:04 whats that 2 arrows? Feb 11 14:51:12 i taught that was the 3g thing Feb 11 14:51:24 well, if longpress and shortcutd would merge and have more choice - that'd be great Feb 11 14:51:45 libben: i would try to make a bash-script that activates on click or screensaver. Am not sure how to do it on N900 but this could help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383392 Feb 11 14:56:29 it seems because bash isnt installed i cant get zenity to work well Feb 11 14:56:30 so whats the ball with two arrows? Feb 11 14:56:42 for example i cand define $something Feb 11 14:57:28 Tronx: environment variables work fine Feb 11 14:57:33 if i run zenity url=`zenity --title="Axel GUI" --text="Enter url" --entry` axel --num-connections=8 http://"$url" Feb 11 14:57:40 : well, a friend of mine as a android device that has this feature, and I really believe it could be nice Feb 11 14:57:44 libben: that's a internet-over-phone icon Feb 11 14:57:47 $url is always blank at the end. Feb 11 14:58:08 crashanddie : any suggestions ? Feb 11 14:58:11 you can't do that Feb 11 14:58:13 Tronx: export lol="how to learn using environment variables" Feb 11 14:58:15 oh Feb 11 14:58:16 Tronx: that's not how you define url in the first place Feb 11 14:58:40 luke-jr : thats not mine http://www.discala.co.uk/shell_scripts/axelgui Feb 11 14:58:41 : the idea is to display the media player when short pressing a button Feb 11 14:59:02 it works on my laptop just doesnt on the n900 Feb 11 14:59:07 Tronx: you copied it wrong Feb 11 14:59:12 SpeedEvil: so when i got connected and stop doing stuff over the net, whats the status of it then? Battery drainer or what? Feb 11 14:59:15 can i completly remove a package i uploaded to devel ? Feb 11 14:59:42 libben: fairly innocuous. Feb 11 14:59:52 libben: it drains a bit - not a lot more power Feb 11 14:59:52 luke-jr : the one in the link doesnt even run, i had to add zenity before the first line and remove #!/bin/sh Feb 11 15:00:20 eek Feb 11 15:00:21 i still would feel better if the wifi and the phone over internet went and disconnected Feb 11 15:00:21 I can't install liqbase-playground as apparently libliqbase1 is missing. Feb 11 15:00:27 libben: you can however set 'always ask' Feb 11 15:00:34 (^ lcuk?) Feb 11 15:00:36 libben: in settings -> network Feb 11 15:00:37 Tronx: then your system is not POSIX compliant Feb 11 15:00:42 libben: and it will never reconnect Feb 11 15:00:53 Shapeshifter, which repo Feb 11 15:01:08 luke-jr : it works on my system, just doesnt on the n900. Feb 11 15:01:22 Tronx: were you trying to run it in MyDocs? Feb 11 15:01:25 SpeedEvil: the connection aint the problem. its that it dont disconnect automatically after some minuts of inactivity Feb 11 15:01:25 Tronx, what exactly are you running and how are you running it? Feb 11 15:01:49 lcuk: extra-devel Feb 11 15:01:53 SpeedEvil : no in /home/user/bin as some user here suggested , it runs. Feb 11 15:02:09 mgedmin : its just some gui zenity script for axel Feb 11 15:02:11 Shapeshifter, should be there Feb 11 15:02:13 libben: ah Feb 11 15:02:31 lcuk: Application packages missin libliqbase1(>=0.3.57) Feb 11 15:02:35 Tronx, that's not specific enough if you want me to help solve your problem Feb 11 15:02:36 you could always grab all the latest from my github github.com/lcuk much later than the stuff in repo Feb 11 15:02:42 mgedmin: here it is http://www.discala.co.uk/shell_scripts/axelgui Feb 11 15:02:49 lcuk: okay Feb 11 15:03:25 mgedmin : just asks the user for a link and puts it in a command Feb 11 15:03:48 Shapeshifter, the playground is being smashed to pieces slowly tho, and more and more of the loose components in the widget soup are being pushed into standalone apps and packages Feb 11 15:04:03 so if you want to play, start with something like liqflow as a standalone Feb 11 15:04:20 yep I see Feb 11 15:04:46 Tronx, but you said you modified the script Feb 11 15:04:49 wfm Feb 11 15:04:54 and you said you had problems running the original Feb 11 15:04:59 replacing the last line with echo --num-connections=8 http://"$user":"$pass"@"$url" Feb 11 15:05:02 what problems exactly? Feb 11 15:05:08 ./axelgui Feb 11 15:05:08 --num-connections=8 http://B:C@A Feb 11 15:05:12 what exactly did you run and where? Feb 11 15:05:13 after entering a b c Feb 11 15:06:20 SpeedEvil : did you do that on your n900 ? Feb 11 15:06:26 yes Feb 11 15:06:43 mgedmin : i had the script in /home/user/bin it didnt even run Feb 11 15:06:56 how did you run it? what were the error messages? Feb 11 15:07:02 works as root or user Feb 11 15:07:10 damn it Feb 11 15:07:15 * mgedmin remarks that this feels like pulling teeth Feb 11 15:07:17 whoa, we can't make big packages since apt-cache is on nand ? Feb 11 15:07:37 Tronx: pastebin the exact error messages you get with the above script - unchanged Feb 11 15:07:43 cpasjuste, HAM uses /home/MyDocs/ for downloaded packages, doesn't it? Feb 11 15:07:45 ok let me go try it agian, i'll come back to bother you guys if it doesnt :) Feb 11 15:07:57 mgedmin what do you mean ? Feb 11 15:08:05 can i say autobuilder to do that ? Feb 11 15:08:14 Hildon Application Manager doesn't use /var/cache/apt/archives, as far as I know Feb 11 15:08:19 haaaa Feb 11 15:08:22 woot Feb 11 15:08:29 sudo apt-get, however, does use /var Feb 11 15:08:36 would be great, i did try with apt-get ... stupid me :) Feb 11 15:09:08 lcuk: liqcalendar is soo smooth Feb 11 15:09:12 so cool thanks :x Feb 11 15:09:14 was nervous :) Feb 11 15:10:58 Shapeshifter, lots of things are :) Feb 11 15:11:03 cool mgedmin it work :p Feb 11 15:11:12 on n900 its a dream Feb 11 15:11:20 on n810 its fabulous too Feb 11 15:11:37 lcuk: But I'm guessing that's also due to nice code Feb 11 15:12:44 the framework was designed to run as fast/smooth as possible on n810 - at the time i started it i didnt even know the next nokia device number ;) Feb 11 15:13:20 :D Feb 11 15:13:22 it works! Feb 11 15:13:26 i knew though that the improvements would directly benefit n900 Feb 11 15:13:31 thanks for the help guy. Feb 11 15:13:47 lcuk: :) Feb 11 15:13:51 good stuff. Feb 11 15:14:29 whats the shortcut to complete filenames in cli ? Feb 11 15:14:34 ctrl+what ? Feb 11 15:14:38 Tronx: TAB Feb 11 15:14:54 right, thx Feb 11 15:16:48 Tronx, ctrl-i is the same thing as tab in xterm Feb 11 15:17:06 :) Feb 11 15:17:14 thats the one i had read, thx Feb 11 15:18:06 mgedmin : you think it would be possible to add a progress bar to this script ? Feb 11 15:18:19 no clue Feb 11 15:19:40 aswat: exactly my thought as well ... unfortunately, I'm useless with writing GUI apps ... but if I get some spare time, I'll have a look at it :) Feb 11 15:20:44 hey all, Feb 11 15:20:46 hmmmmmmmm Feb 11 15:21:31 i thought i might draw your attention to the fact that sygic, specifically sygic in Israel are selling GPS software with a claim it supports some kind of linux. when it supports none at this time Feb 11 15:21:36 is this against the law? Feb 11 15:22:11 So I looked up how to configure ash, and apparently its supposed to source .profile. But it does not on the n900. Where do I put my config for ash? Feb 11 15:22:52 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 - Proposal for open sourcing queue Feb 11 15:24:25 * satmd found out that he can use the n900 as a bug Feb 11 15:24:33 not much use however :D Feb 11 15:26:26 nevermind, figured it out Feb 11 15:39:09 mgedmin : could format effect scripts and cause them not to run ? Feb 11 15:39:19 what? Feb 11 15:39:24 do you mean affect? Feb 11 15:39:29 and what do you mean by "format"? Feb 11 15:39:33 for example the same script i was trying to get to work a moment ago didnt when i copied it from windows to the n900 Feb 11 15:39:36 MS-DOS newlines? Feb 11 15:39:46 yes, CRLF instead of LF _will break your shell scripts_ Feb 11 15:40:05 but did work when i saved it from the site to the n900 directly Feb 11 15:40:44 compare file sizes Feb 11 15:40:54 that must be it Feb 11 15:41:01 if the script gets larger when you copy from windows than when you download directly, you'll know what it is Feb 11 15:41:48 it's impossible to run java apps on the n900, right? Feb 11 15:42:14 eG big java apps, as NetBeans, or small java apps, which were developed for mobile phones Feb 11 15:42:34 ugh Feb 11 15:43:46 @ : I am trying to set up the SDK on Fedora 12 x68_64 to see what I can do Feb 11 15:44:37 aswat: neat! Let me know how your SDK setup will work out ... I'm going to that on my own laptop soon, F12/x86_64 :) Feb 11 15:44:55 anyone here knows what gateway the msn haze plugin uses to connect to the live messenger servers? Feb 11 15:46:19 @dazo: no luck there Feb 11 15:46:39 stuck with this : Feb 11 15:46:54 aswat: It's not going to be easy, I've understood .... my "plan b" is to do it in a VM Feb 11 15:47:03 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Feb 11 15:47:25 I think I've broken microb. it doesn't load any pages (while midori does), and when I click on Web↓ "Options" or "New Window", nothing happens Feb 11 15:47:29 E: Scratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0. Feb 11 15:47:58 Shapeshifter: Browser switcher of something like that installed? Feb 11 15:48:00 I installed the Scratchbox successfully Feb 11 15:48:05 but not the SDK Feb 11 15:48:22 guys, do yourself a favour and use the GUI installer from Forum Nokia, really ... Feb 11 15:48:35 X-Fade: nope Feb 11 15:48:52 @mikhas: does it work on x86_64 platerforms ? Feb 11 15:49:19 it works here Feb 11 15:49:40 but yeah, I might just have been lucky with that Feb 11 15:50:26 sar3th: do you know why java wont work? Isn't the debian libs working? Feb 11 15:51:13 sandman: i haven't tried it yet, i was asking if anyone already did ;) Feb 11 15:51:27 hehe ok :) Feb 11 15:52:02 not working for me Feb 11 15:53:43 I am getting this error : TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str' Feb 11 15:58:41 that looks like a python error to me, aswat Feb 11 15:58:58 you might need to run the installer with python2.5 or 2.6? Feb 11 15:59:13 ok Feb 11 15:59:18 I have python 2.6 Feb 11 15:59:23 that might be it Feb 11 16:00:23 that looks like something with qt :O Feb 11 16:00:55 might be that I am running QT 4.6.1 with KDE 4.4. ;) Feb 11 16:01:31 too bad Feb 11 16:01:36 no, it is python or your python bindings Feb 11 16:02:06 or it could be that you've made a mistake in what you're doing Feb 11 16:02:08 say, it didn't try to apt-get the missing packages? Feb 11 16:02:17 what is your code for that line? Feb 11 16:02:41 ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py Feb 11 16:02:48 pretty simple as root Feb 11 16:02:55 oh, sdk Feb 11 16:03:01 hrm. Feb 11 16:03:24 where'd you get it from? Feb 11 16:03:29 actually I have tried the manual install described here : http://www.martindengler.com/index.html#2010-02-03 Feb 11 16:03:31 hm, then it's an error in the script maybe :| Feb 11 16:03:42 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html Feb 11 16:03:58 that's where I got the python script Feb 11 16:05:53 I'm not sure if it is supposed to work on x86_64 Feb 11 16:09:01 aswat, ask the maintainers then Feb 11 16:17:12 DocScrutinizer51, jebba, PaulFertser_, luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 Feb 11 16:17:39 ohai Feb 11 16:17:52 OHAI Feb 11 16:18:04 can the light or proximity sensor in n900 be used to sense motion? Feb 11 16:18:48 LuciusMare: why not the webcam? Feb 11 16:19:07 well Feb 11 16:19:20 right, i didnt thought of it, it might be the paranoia, i am afraid of being spied Feb 11 16:19:26 ive built motion (linux security webcam) app for maemo5 and it worked just nicely Feb 11 16:19:39 mm... motion is nice Feb 11 16:19:42 hm Feb 11 16:19:51 motion also triggers on light change, doesnt it? Feb 11 16:19:55 tho didnt upload it to repos as it needs quite much console work to be usable.. and maybe some sms etc.. Feb 11 16:20:03 guess so Feb 11 16:20:14 You could make it ignore slow changes in light Feb 11 16:20:21 Like the sun Feb 11 16:20:27 its quite configurable Feb 11 16:20:29 oh, cool, PR1.1 lets me merge more than two contacts at once! Feb 11 16:20:42 well, but my lightbulbs does not dim slowly Feb 11 16:20:43 Is there a way to raise the number of "displayed" applet on the N900 ? Feb 11 16:21:08 I am limited to 9 Feb 11 16:22:09 there is enought space for 2 additionnal ones Feb 11 16:22:12 on my opinion Feb 11 16:22:27 re Feb 11 16:22:48 lo qole Feb 11 16:23:04 Stskeeps, good morning Feb 11 16:23:14 hej Stskeeps Feb 11 16:23:25 or whatever it is for you :) Feb 11 16:23:34 ~ugt Feb 11 16:23:35 ;d Feb 11 16:23:36 ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Feb 11 16:23:46 heh Feb 11 16:23:49 Stskeeps: posted a question Feb 11 16:23:59 morning,then Feb 11 16:24:04 hrw, thanks Feb 11 16:24:12 is there any good way to avoid the dreaded microusb breaking? Feb 11 16:24:42 doesn't the Facebook XMPP thing kina make Hermes obsolete? Feb 11 16:24:48 yes, do not use nokia charging cable as skipping rope Feb 11 16:24:48 treat the microusb connector like it e Feb 11 16:24:50 <|R> don't try to catch a cow by spinning your n900 with the usb cable? :) Feb 11 16:24:58 luke-jr: thanks Feb 11 16:25:02 like it is made of paper Feb 11 16:25:05 mgedmin: hermes got obsoleted some time ago I think Feb 11 16:25:12 hi qole Feb 11 16:25:24 mgedmin: when facebook and twitter support for contacts landed Feb 11 16:25:26 lcuk, good morning Feb 11 16:25:39 * lcuk offers bacon and coffee Feb 11 16:26:07 there's twitter support for contacts?!? Feb 11 16:26:34 oh, the telepathy plugins? Feb 11 16:26:40 lcuk, just had breakfast, on the bus to work Feb 11 16:26:52 mgedmin: yes Feb 11 16:27:31 mh. how can I reset the microb config? I looked at the home dir but I'm scared of just deleting /home/use/.mozilla/microb Feb 11 16:27:32 so anyone know why lzma decompressing is slower than bzip2 on the N900? Feb 11 16:30:11 uh huh, the fremantle version of sleep says "sleep: invalid number 0.1", while it parses correctly on my desktop Feb 11 16:30:45 Stskeeps, about the openness numbers you compiled... have they gotten better for Diablo in the past year, or have they remained stable? Feb 11 16:31:21 qole, in terms of opening components/developed openly, of course.. but i only have limited data Feb 11 16:31:48 St Feb 11 16:32:04 qole, worth checking out my newest post about open sourcing queue Feb 11 16:32:32 Stskeeps, so Diablo's a moving target, even after abandonment. Good to know. Feb 11 16:32:46 Shapeshifter: then move it somewhere else Feb 11 16:33:22 qole, it is still on my list yes and still being prioritised for open sourcing Feb 11 16:36:39 Stskeeps, do you mean http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html Feb 11 16:37:17 Stskeeps, could you link to open sourcing queue post? Feb 11 16:37:26 qole, nop, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 Feb 11 16:37:34 thanks Feb 11 16:38:18 is there a way send messages to specific jabber resource from the built in instant messanger app Feb 11 16:38:50 for example if my friend has logged in from his desktop and n900 and I wanted to send message to the n900 Feb 11 16:39:34 Stskeeps, wow, that sounds great! Feb 11 16:39:57 petteri: internal one does not support it Feb 11 16:40:11 hrw: ok thanks :( Feb 11 16:41:16 qole, hopefully it means we will be able to churn more things open source - and have a sober discussion doing this Feb 11 16:41:26 Stskeeps: cool Feb 11 16:43:22 Stskeeps, DocScrutinizer, very very cool... adds some much needed focus to the process, as well as clarity. Getting clear answers component by component will be nice. Feb 11 16:44:29 and we also provide proper arguments for why it would be a good idea and showing it won't just be crickets sound if opened Feb 11 16:47:33 well to me it seems the suggestion to open a ticket for open up source of some component is not all new, but Stskeeps implemented a much clearer hirarchy and precise roles and standard operation procedures Feb 11 16:48:50 DocScrutinizer: i have been on the community side enough to be really frustrated over things :) Feb 11 16:51:39 nice to see qole Feb 11 16:53:49 poitsu, are you saying hi, or was that part of another discussion? Feb 11 16:55:01 qole, he's just sniping you Feb 11 16:55:32 just semi-rare to see you in irc Feb 11 16:56:08 pupnik, yes it is :) Feb 11 16:58:32 hey pup Feb 11 16:58:33 nik Feb 11 17:01:27 Please rate video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOUGWeN2amY Feb 11 17:01:40 I am hoping to hang out more in IRC, especially if I fgure out the 240 second disconnect. Feb 11 17:04:30 bug #8989 got better pictures Feb 11 17:04:32 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts Feb 11 17:05:08 now waiting for nokia devs to check it Feb 11 17:05:52 haha Feb 11 17:06:08 woglinde_train: in other words: maemo7 at least Feb 11 17:07:11 wow, nokia ressurected n800 :D Feb 11 17:07:25 hm? Feb 11 17:07:33 12mpix camera, 720p video, HDMI :) Feb 11 17:07:50 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/nokia-n8-00-first-symbian-3-handset-with-12-megapixel-camera-7/ Feb 11 17:07:52 guruplug video? Feb 11 17:07:53 N8 Feb 11 17:08:03 guruplug rockz Feb 11 17:08:10 does look quite awesome Feb 11 17:11:59 N8-00 will still only have a 3.5" screen! Feb 11 17:12:16 qole: It is a phone. Feb 11 17:12:30 any haxxor know if there's a larger screen compatible with n900 ? Feb 11 17:12:40 same cable, signals? Feb 11 17:12:42 qole: Phones can't get a lot bigger than that without looking silly :) Feb 11 17:12:56 BAH. Feb 11 17:13:12 qole: For that it need to be a _tablet_ :) Feb 11 17:13:14 i have a broken psion netbook that would enjoy a n900 inside Feb 11 17:13:17 hi x-fade Feb 11 17:13:22 You Europeans and your skinny jeans and tiny pockets. Feb 11 17:13:49 pupnik we have a nopt broken psion for alle the fairs and the openembedded stand Feb 11 17:14:14 nopt woglinde_train "? Feb 11 17:14:20 no Feb 11 17:14:28 eepc 901 keys Feb 11 17:14:30 and train Feb 11 17:14:33 hah Feb 11 17:14:38 nopt=no Feb 11 17:14:43 areh not Feb 11 17:14:46 args Feb 11 17:15:03 * pupnik complains to DB about the suspension Feb 11 17:15:18 I am typing to fast Feb 11 17:15:49 do you want my netbook for parts? Feb 11 17:16:00 hm ask florian Feb 11 17:16:12 he maintains the stuff Feb 11 17:16:20 nickname is florian? Feb 11 17:16:25 woglinde_train, what are you training for? Feb 11 17:16:26 yes Feb 11 17:16:39 hello Feb 11 17:16:43 lcuk *g* Feb 11 17:16:53 does N900 support L2CAP?? Feb 11 17:18:00 lcuk better now? Feb 11 17:18:08 its the train number Feb 11 17:18:13 In case anyone here is not aware: losing your job sucks :( Feb 11 17:18:26 fiferboy uh Feb 11 17:18:27 yes Feb 11 17:18:27 :D haha Feb 11 17:18:32 :O fiferboy Feb 11 17:18:34 :( Feb 11 17:18:35 I think BT headsets are making handset size more irrelevant. A big 4.3" screen would be fine if it had a headset in the box for those who don't like sticking a big device against their ear... Feb 11 17:18:41 :( fiferboy Feb 11 17:19:01 :( fiferboy Feb 11 17:19:11 Thanks guys. My new full-time job is looking for a new full-time job Feb 11 17:19:15 fiferboy you will get a new one Feb 11 17:19:28 It happened to you? With a little baby? Feb 11 17:19:39 qole: Yeah, not the best timing Feb 11 17:19:46 =( Feb 11 17:19:53 fiferboy even lcuk found something new Feb 11 17:19:58 * woglinde_RE7 hides Feb 11 17:20:00 hahahaha Feb 11 17:20:08 woglinde_RE7: True :) Feb 11 17:20:19 how about sunglasses that magically overlay a 19" 800x600 screen on my FOV Feb 11 17:21:00 19"? Feb 11 17:21:05 Those would be big sunglasses. Feb 11 17:21:13 pupnik, as long as the screen really is 800x600... Feb 11 17:21:38 fiferboy: you were a qt'er too weren't you? Feb 11 17:21:40 most of those display glasses have woeful resolution Feb 11 17:21:46 yes Feb 11 17:21:55 Stskeeps: Yes, I have done lots of work with it and some work on it Feb 11 17:22:00 Stskeeps: But not professionally Feb 11 17:22:08 fiferboy, man, that's brutal. Feb 11 17:22:13 sorry, I would like to know if N900/fremantle supports L2CAP.... anynone knoes? Feb 11 17:22:24 GAN900: Yeah, I'm not coming down to Florida now :( Feb 11 17:22:30 fiferboy: well at least that's an advantage Feb 11 17:22:30 fiferboy, would you move to the states for a job? Or europe? Feb 11 17:22:37 Although my manager nicely gave me the time off to book it a week before I was let go Feb 11 17:22:38 fiferboy, I can imagiine. Feb 11 17:23:20 next conference: somewhere with sun, beach and cheap food please Feb 11 17:23:26 qole: We might consider Europe. My wife doesn't want to go to the States Feb 11 17:23:28 * pupnik freezes in the dark Feb 11 17:24:07 fiferboy, In many ways I don't blame her. But California is nice... Feb 11 17:24:40 Vancouver is nice too :D Feb 11 17:25:02 What in the world is up with all those Latin pronunciation advocates? Feb 11 17:25:19 me-mo has to be the lamest sounding way to say it. Feb 11 17:25:36 If anyone wants to add me on linked in: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/andrewjolmsted Feb 11 17:25:49 fiferboy, the states depends entirely on where you move to. ;) Feb 11 17:25:58 I pronounce it to rhyme with pilchard. Feb 11 17:26:07 GAN900: True. Feb 11 17:26:14 EU is just going to be freaking expensive. Feb 11 17:26:20 qole, CA sucks. Feb 11 17:26:27 well, according to my latin, maemo would be my-mo Feb 11 17:27:25 I hear mountain view, CA is nice Feb 11 17:28:25 * pupnik says "may-mo" but gets evil looks from the "my-mo" people Feb 11 17:29:07 GAN900, Florida stuck me as odd, beautiful weather, but little pockets of super-rich, vast swaths of quite poor. Feb 11 17:29:45 * pupnik needs paintball autoturrets for the house Feb 11 17:29:58 fiferboy, linkedin, i added "maemo (community)" as a company and put some of my stuff there. you have no notification about your excellent community work Feb 11 17:30:38 fiferboy, yes, your apps are huge, everyone uses them. Feb 11 17:31:20 lcuk: Good idea. I was trying to think of a place to put that Feb 11 17:36:38 lcuk: You should add that as an actual company on LinkedIn so all maemo.org people can "work" there Feb 11 17:36:49 qole, er, and CA struck you as anything different? :) Feb 11 17:36:57 qole, CA has that but worse. Feb 11 17:37:11 qole, Mountain View is unaffordable. Feb 11 17:37:30 qole, where were you in Florida? Feb 11 17:38:05 lcuk, fiferboy, I agree, just looking at Linkedin right now. Feb 11 17:38:36 qole, the vast majority of CA is in fact rather poor. Feb 11 17:38:46 google buzz > linkedin Feb 11 17:38:47 * timeless_mbp frowns Feb 11 17:38:51 http://hacknmod.com/hack/diy-paintball-machine-gun-turret/ mmmm Feb 11 17:38:52 Stskeeps: help? Feb 11 17:39:05 My Mer insists that my working directory is a read-only file system Feb 11 17:39:43 qole, both states have massive immigrant populations. Feb 11 17:39:46 actually, it insists my home directory is a readonly file system too Feb 11 17:39:46 timeless_mbp: pwd? Feb 11 17:39:58 timeless_mbp: hmm. Feb 11 17:40:05 timeless_mbp: dmesg may reveal FS errors? Feb 11 17:40:12 touch: cannot touch `/home/timeless/hjkhjkhk': Read-only file system Feb 11 17:40:48 wow Feb 11 17:40:54 GeneralAntilles, you're probably right, I have very little first-hand experience of California... Feb 11 17:40:57 fiferboy: :( Feb 11 17:41:10 i have something that looks like a kernel panic "warn_slowpath+0x60/0x80" Feb 11 17:41:11 qole, thus why it's a bad idea to throw opinions around. ;) Feb 11 17:41:17 timeless_mbp: excellent Feb 11 17:41:46 jose_manrique, bluetooth l2cap ? of course that the base for 'everything' :D Feb 11 17:42:38 223 new posts on Talk in just over 11 hours. Feb 11 17:42:44 s/posts/threads/ Feb 11 17:42:44 GeneralAntilles meant: 223 new threads on Talk in just over 11 hours. Feb 11 17:42:44 GeneralAntilles, I didn't realise that my observations about Florida would upset you. Feb 11 17:42:48 s/new/updated/ Feb 11 17:42:49 GeneralAntilles meant: 223 updated posts on Talk in just over 11 hours. Feb 11 17:43:26 yeah, its hard to follow all the threads Feb 11 17:43:30 infobot, what did GeneralAntilles really mean? Feb 11 17:43:39 qole, it didn't, but Florida and California suffer from a lot of similar problems. Feb 11 17:43:59 qole, so a "CA is nice" and "Florida has vast swaths of poor" doesn't really compute. Feb 11 17:44:19 * VDVsx liked Mountain View CA :) Feb 11 17:44:28 Nokias has a office there Feb 11 17:44:33 *nokia Feb 11 17:44:35 GeneralAntilles, I see where you're going here. Feb 11 17:44:49 VDVsx, yes, Mountain View is nice, but it's complete unaffordable. :P Feb 11 17:45:00 qole, in general, I disagree with the sort of location-based opinion slinging that so many people tend to participate in from positions of no experience. Feb 11 17:45:05 housing ? Feb 11 17:45:12 qole, I don't have a lot of opinions about Canada since I've never been there. ;) Feb 11 17:45:18 VDVsx, living expenses period. Feb 11 17:45:24 Gas, taxes, housing, food, etc. Feb 11 17:45:28 things aren't that expensive, at least for a european Feb 11 17:45:45 GeneralAntilles, California has more high-tech jobs... but you're right, my opinion of California is not based on personal experience. Feb 11 17:45:51 VDVsx, yeah, well, relative to most of the rest of the US. ;) Feb 11 17:45:59 :) Feb 11 17:46:11 GeneralAntilles: I'm sure it is expensive my Canadian standards too Feb 11 17:46:13 qole, Alabama has a lot of tech jobs, too. ;) Feb 11 17:46:35 VDVsx, MOST of us aren't taxed completely to hell and back. :P Feb 11 17:46:51 eheh Feb 11 17:49:09 By the way, you should all probably vote here lest you end up with a mascot you don't want. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=521024 Feb 11 17:49:38 * GeneralAntilles notes that Talk is poised to make a decision affecting the whole community unilaterally. Feb 11 17:49:41 [117998.238241] EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal Feb 11 17:49:53 GeneralAntilles: I want the Naked Mole Rat mascot Feb 11 17:50:24 timeless_mbp; thats on your n900? Feb 11 17:50:32 Trizt: Mer-vbox Feb 11 17:51:19 Jaffa, how do you deal with all of those inane enhancement requests for Catorise? Feb 11 17:51:41 GeneralAntilles: By hoping against hope that you'll jump in and slap 'em down before I get to them ;-) Feb 11 17:51:56 GeneralAntilles: And being thankful they ignore the other posts which say "raise a bug" ;-) Feb 11 17:52:17 * Jaffa particularly like "I just open 15 apps... and it triggers a glitch in Catorise.... that's all man!" Feb 11 17:52:20 Jaffa, hey, I did it once. I think that probably makes us even for the en_US enhancement. *g* Feb 11 17:52:22 s/like/likes/ Feb 11 17:52:31 Definitely an h-d bug Feb 11 17:52:33 I've seen it, too. Feb 11 17:52:54 High CPU load seems to make the application menu render its items very slowly. Feb 11 17:52:55 I've seen the weird "menu layers overlaid" bug, but didn't think it was related to number of open windows Feb 11 17:53:15 it isn't Feb 11 17:53:19 well Feb 11 17:53:21 actually Feb 11 17:53:24 it kinda is Feb 11 17:53:29 it's a race condition Feb 11 17:53:34 timeless_mbp: Fun Feb 11 17:53:41 but if the system is pegged, you have a better chance of winning the race Feb 11 17:53:45 otherwise you just need to practice Feb 11 17:53:49 <3 Application Menu race conditions Feb 11 17:53:59 We'll never be rid of them. Feb 11 17:54:00 with practice, you get faster, and can have a better chance of winning the race Feb 11 17:54:18 Therac-25 Feb 11 17:54:22 winning races ^^ Feb 11 17:54:48 * timeless_mbp wonders what portion of people get that reference Feb 11 17:55:42 timeless_mbp, wikipedia to the rescue. ;) Feb 11 17:56:44 at this point i can at least sometimes remember the name w/o having to google for it Feb 11 17:58:03 I really wish we had the userbase to support slashdot-style moderation. Feb 11 17:58:15 Reading threads these days feels like wading through raw sewage. Feb 11 17:58:47 forums are a pain in every way shape and form no matter the topic. Feb 11 17:59:00 hardaker, well, back in the old days. . . . Feb 11 17:59:08 I've always wanted to have a good long conversation with the guy that thought up the idea that a web page is a good place to hold a conversation. Feb 11 17:59:12 GeneralAntilles: sadly, even mozilla.org doesn't have a userbase to moderate bugs Feb 11 17:59:15 you only have to invest as much time on t.m.o. as you want, no? Feb 11 17:59:32 hi all, hi qole! Feb 11 17:59:32 GeneralAntilles, what about this for a quick fix http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=521010&postcount=1 Feb 11 17:59:35 pupnik, problem is, I hate missing important things. Feb 11 17:59:41 solution: get everyone on slashdot to buy a n900 Feb 11 17:59:55 Stskeeps: hey, can you try building my package? :) Feb 11 17:59:56 GeneralAntilles, "Maemo is not a Latin word, therefore Latin pronunciation really doesn't apply.", well I say it using latin pronunciation and is exactly the same thing as the finns (I guess :D) Feb 11 18:00:04 since i can't given the current state of my vm Feb 11 18:00:10 nice idea lcuk Feb 11 18:00:27 qole: lzma is slower than bzip2 on your device?? Feb 11 18:00:32 VDVsx, the Latin pronunciation I've seen proposed is "me-mo". Feb 11 18:00:34 Which is just inane. Feb 11 18:00:49 timeless_mbp: if you tell me how to use a hg bundle :P Feb 11 18:00:57 Stskeeps: hg clone bundle dest Feb 11 18:01:08 GeneralAntilles, ah right, we're read the "a" here that's the difference Feb 11 18:01:11 t-tan, yes, I don't know why yet Feb 11 18:01:11 say it like the finns do. m-ah-e-mo Feb 11 18:01:19 or hg init; hg unbundle bundle Feb 11 18:01:27 pupnik, as do I. Feb 11 18:01:38 pupnik, though it took me months to fix my Americanized pronunciation. Feb 11 18:01:44 qole: weird! and you really mean decompression? Feb 11 18:01:48 same here. "may-mo" Feb 11 18:02:20 Stskeeps, you know Talk offers a real list markup, right? :P Feb 11 18:02:29 i'd like a maemo.org cap or jacket Feb 11 18:02:34 [list][li][/li][/list] Feb 11 18:02:44 pupnik, I've been pushing for caps for a while with no success. Feb 11 18:02:50 pupnik, damn Europeans just don't seem to get them. Feb 11 18:02:58 t-tan, yes, I am trying to find a better way to distribute the Easy Debian image Feb 11 18:03:03 GeneralAntilles: yeah, but the original idea was to cross-post it on ML too but my wife came home and dragged me outside to get food :P Feb 11 18:03:14 doesn't need to be a baseball cap - could be a thuggish black cap too Feb 11 18:03:25 qole: I've also uploaded xz-utils, maybe that's even better? Feb 11 18:03:45 Stskeeps, copy-paste laziness. Feb 11 18:04:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86 Feb 11 18:04:11 * Stskeeps wonders why on earth tieto is demoing maemo 5.0 -alpha- on MWC and why they think triple-booting a beagleboard is conference-worthy Feb 11 18:04:29 that suggests M@ mo Feb 11 18:04:52 mwc? Feb 11 18:05:08 t-tan, I am trying lzma, it took an hour to decompress... Feb 11 18:05:48 timeless_mbp, mobile world conference Feb 11 18:05:56 next week at Barcelona Feb 11 18:06:16 qole: it took 8mins for the debian img on my device. Feb 11 18:06:17 t-tan, maybe using -9 for compression ratio made the decompression take longer, although I read that it shouldn't be that way for lzma Feb 11 18:06:48 t-tan it took 8 minutes to decompress what? Feb 11 18:06:54 qole: lzma is ideal for embedded devices. Feb 11 18:07:22 qole: the your easydeb image recompressed with lzma -9 Feb 11 18:08:04 qole: did you decompress via pipe or directly? pipe seems to be much slower on N900 Feb 11 18:09:16 t-tan, I used "time" and went to bed, it said "real: 1 hour" maybe I should do it while watching... Feb 11 18:10:01 qole: interesting Feb 11 18:10:03 I just used "lzma -kd" command, Feb 11 18:10:48 qole: could it be the filesystem? I decompressed on ext3 Feb 11 18:11:51 t-tan, using MyDocs, so vfat Feb 11 18:12:51 t-tan, bzip2 takes 45 minutes in MyDocs... Trying again now, I'll watch it... Feb 11 18:13:03 qole: ok. I'm going to decompress it on my SD later tonight Feb 11 18:13:24 qole: IIRC bzip2 took 15mins on ext3 Feb 11 18:13:30 hello, is there a repository with normal cli tools like less and nano Feb 11 18:13:42 Stskeeps: You should see my shonky Perl script which turns the HTML of the MWKN front page into BBCode markup :-) Feb 11 18:13:53 for the n800 btw. Feb 11 18:13:54 Unmenschlich: extras* Feb 11 18:14:08 t-tan, you don't have vfat MyDocs? Feb 11 18:14:58 qole: no, I repartitioned and only kept a very small vfat for testing Feb 11 18:15:45 Stskeeps: Feb 11 18:15:53 bash: /usr/bin/lsb_release: Input/output error Feb 11 18:16:01 i guess my file system is f*cked? Feb 11 18:16:26 t-tan: I have extras enabled but it doesn't seem to provide me with packages that contain those programs Feb 11 18:16:54 or do you mean extras devel? Feb 11 18:17:01 Unmenschlich: sorry, I thought you meant n900 Feb 11 18:17:19 Unmenschlich: prob on extras-testing or extras-devel Feb 11 18:17:35 you enable them at your own risk Feb 11 18:18:04 timeless_mbp: looks like it, but also on a virtual HW wise Feb 11 18:18:09 I'm getting an hash sum mismatch error when I try to refresh the extras-devel repo. Am I the only one? Feb 11 18:18:40 Unmenschlich, you did an apt-cache search with extras enabled? Feb 11 18:19:46 Unmenschlich: how searching on http://maemo.org/packages/ ? Feb 11 18:20:39 lol, talk.maemo.org is "Maemo forums" according to Engadget. . . . Feb 11 18:21:09 qole: thanks, I forgot about using apt directly. Less has been found, nano hasn't, however, I'll look if more of my needed packages are available throught apt Feb 11 18:21:29 gjl: it happens regularly Feb 11 18:21:38 Hopefully this means Nokia isn't going to continue blaming it on user-abuse. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/nokia-n900-micro-usb-connectors-prone-to-failure/ Feb 11 18:22:55 Unmenschlich, you could also try gronmayer, google gronmayer maemo Feb 11 18:23:15 pico is in tools, isn't it. Feb 11 18:23:17 qole, gross. Feb 11 18:23:49 :rolleyes: Feb 11 18:24:19 Gronmayer has caused me more support pain than any single other site on the internet. Feb 11 18:25:32 It says nano is in Chinook and Diablo/tools Feb 11 18:25:47 GeneralAntilles: heh Feb 11 18:26:11 qole: I've just finished decompressing the lzma debimg on SD - both input and output on the class 6 SD. time: real 7m 23.95s Feb 11 18:26:50 qole: what's wrong with your device? Feb 11 18:26:58 * timeless_mbp rotfl Feb 11 18:27:02 GeneralAntilles: that's so bogus Feb 11 18:27:15 does n900 have any power consumption measuring thingy? Feb 11 18:27:17 MarkS's claim that is Feb 11 18:27:25 timeless_mbp, yeah, clearly. Feb 11 18:27:28 jacekowski: you can install some software Feb 11 18:27:45 i need something in hardware Feb 11 18:27:48 yo yo Feb 11 18:27:53 frals: here? Feb 11 18:28:02 or anyone, how do you create new APN ? Feb 11 18:28:05 that would show current draw from battery Feb 11 18:28:15 matthew-: you need to install app for it Feb 11 18:28:32 the fapn ? Feb 11 18:28:38 yeah Feb 11 18:28:39 no other choice? Feb 11 18:28:44 :/ Feb 11 18:28:53 you can do it by editing files by hand Feb 11 18:29:56 lemme see./ Feb 11 18:30:46 t-tan, Mine's still going.... cpu is drowning here! Feb 11 18:31:19 qole: mine was on USB power Feb 11 18:32:08 qole, wth are you running in there? Feb 11 18:33:07 is it possible something like the network connection you are sshing in with is causing holdup Feb 11 18:33:36 cos when debugging over ssh liqbase goes slow and has hangups because of wifi net traffic Feb 11 18:33:48 t-tan, did you test over wifi or direct from console on device Feb 11 18:33:55 lcuk, I' trying to decompress a big file on my N900 Feb 11 18:34:03 yeah i know what you are trying to do Feb 11 18:34:05 lcuk: ssh over wifi Feb 11 18:34:27 im trying to see why one of you is flying through and the other isnt Feb 11 18:34:49 lcuk: if you want to participate: download http://maemory.com/N900/easydeb/debian-m5-v2.img.ext2.lzma Feb 11 18:35:30 lcuk: install lzma from extras-devel, move the file to MyDocs, and then run "time lzma -kd file" Feb 11 18:35:38 i cant im just trying to make sense of it Feb 11 18:36:18 hy everybody Feb 11 18:37:09 lcuk, are you tlking to me about ssh? Feb 11 18:40:03 Feb 11 18:43:37 hmm can you send pictures with mauku? Feb 11 18:44:03 I'm looking for a maemo5 app that does twitter/identica and images and that works Feb 11 18:46:29 qole: BTW, the xz compressed file is 11MB smaller Feb 11 18:47:30 qole: bzip2 is already at 50% here Feb 11 18:53:31 t-tan, I have a pre-production device, maybe I/O is slow Feb 11 18:54:14 qole: I see. that could explain a lot Feb 11 18:55:36 qole: it's still interesting that it reverses the order of bzip2 and lzma Feb 11 18:56:31 t-tan, but I wish you had a stock MyDocs to test on. Feb 11 18:57:25 qole: do you have a SD card to test with? class 6 should be the same performance as eMMC Feb 11 18:57:34 wohh Feb 11 18:57:35 wtf Feb 11 18:57:50 my phone battery after a reboot went from ~40% to 13% Feb 11 18:58:22 The percentage is dramatically inaccurate at best Feb 11 18:59:36 yea thats the first time ive seen that kind of jump though Feb 11 19:00:09 I guess I that my N900 isn't normal here... Feb 11 19:00:33 qole: slow emmc? Feb 11 19:00:55 dracflamloc: yes, booting takes a lot of energy and the voltage decay is non-linear Feb 11 19:01:21 30% jumps are not uncommon Feb 11 19:01:29 yikes Feb 11 19:01:45 welli thought i was good for the day... guess not =( Feb 11 19:03:32 qole: bzip2 decompression, same conditions: real 13m 20.78s Feb 11 19:08:50 hi, anyone know, how to write this symbol with the n900: ^ Feb 11 19:09:28 fn + ctrl and pick it from the dialog that pops up? Feb 11 19:10:46 thank you, i will try it Feb 11 19:12:13 ok thx it works... never knew about this function Feb 11 19:17:11 RST38h, apparently yes, I have a slow emmc. But I think it is system wide, because my class 6 microSD is slow too Feb 11 19:17:56 killing decompression, my system is too slow... Feb 11 19:19:12 uhm the wiki says installing ssh and accessing from remote using root@ should be enough, but I still need to enter a pw obviously. do I need to passwd as root or something? Feb 11 19:19:17 or is there a default password? Feb 11 19:19:44 qole: It is most likely the controller again Feb 11 19:19:54 qole: xz CPU load is < 10% Feb 11 19:20:07 qole: On N8x0, class6 was kinda useless as the controller has not reached class4 speeds Feb 11 19:20:44 RST38h, is there something I can do here to diagnose my problem? Feb 11 19:21:04 t-tan, xz is what? Feb 11 19:21:29 qole: xz is the latest and best compressor, successor of lzma Feb 11 19:21:59 Maybe I should try that? In extras-devel? Feb 11 19:22:15 qole: yes, package xz-utils Feb 11 19:22:38 evening Feb 11 19:25:18 qole: Not much. It is same for eveyrone Feb 11 19:25:22 Hello, Asimula Feb 11 19:25:43 * RST38h wonders if there are class4 or class6 16GB microSDs Feb 11 19:25:44 Shapeshifter: you shouldve gotten a dialog asking you to set a rootpass when installing openssh-server, i imagine Feb 11 19:25:48 Froogle does not show any Feb 11 19:26:37 maybe the handheld world should have stuck with CompactFlash :( Feb 11 19:27:04 RST38h, t-tan is claiming very fast decompression speeds, 4x or 5x faster than mine...! Feb 11 19:27:25 qole: on flash? Feb 11 19:27:39 decompress it to RAM perhaps Feb 11 19:27:47 luke-jr, eMMC and flash Feb 11 19:27:54 frals: I didn't. Now I' just did passwd as root and set one Feb 11 19:28:00 seems like that's okay. Feb 11 19:28:04 How can I reinstall microb? Feb 11 19:28:21 and get rid of all the configs? moving .mozilla didn't solve my problem (microb not loading anything) Feb 11 19:28:27 luke-jr, this is a 2GB file :) Feb 11 19:28:52 qole: what are yours? Feb 11 19:29:03 maybe yours is swapping out alot Feb 11 19:29:12 oh wait Feb 11 19:29:19 qole: Have you tried rebooting the device? Feb 11 19:29:59 someone on talk just reported 2 hours to extract the bzipped 2G file !! Feb 11 19:30:07 RST38h: I've just rebooted as xz decompression on SD got stuck. weird Feb 11 19:30:16 hi Feb 11 19:30:21 RST38h, yes and I wiggled the cables. Feb 11 19:30:26 can I remove the album name in RDS? Feb 11 19:30:30 A Radio Shack just exploded with a big ball of fire in Manhattan Feb 11 19:30:43 qole: does that mean I got the N900++, the fast Nokia phone on earth? :) Feb 11 19:30:55 weird Feb 11 19:31:00 t-tan, apparently YES Feb 11 19:31:17 vmstat is great :-( Feb 11 19:31:49 or you could echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness Feb 11 19:31:54 before uncompressing Feb 11 19:32:17 * wazd 's bored and making an iTheme Feb 11 19:32:32 mh. the n900's apt/package management is messed up http://pastie.org/820584 Feb 11 19:32:35 after rebooting top reports Mem: 213392K used, 31980K free, 0K shrd, 22936K buff, 73028K cached Feb 11 19:32:35 ahahaha Feb 11 19:32:43 wazd: Screenshot or it didn't happen! =) Feb 11 19:32:46 now I'm repeating xz decompression Feb 11 19:32:52 how can a package which is even provided by default by nokia contain such info Feb 11 19:32:52 wazd, do you have an N900 finally? Feb 11 19:33:03 qole: no Feb 11 19:33:22 wazd, what?! why? Feb 11 19:33:34 ... Feb 11 19:33:40 qole: you didn't give us one Feb 11 19:33:45 wazd: when are you coming by poland btw? :) Feb 11 19:33:48 hahaha Feb 11 19:33:51 (congrats on the passport) Feb 11 19:33:59 qole: cruel world :D Feb 11 19:34:05 Stskeeps: thx :) Feb 11 19:34:08 Stskeeps: asap :) Feb 11 19:35:12 RST38h: well, http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1002/35/5f1388beb169.png Feb 11 19:35:19 RST38h: kinda :) Feb 11 19:36:04 wazd: cooolio =) Feb 11 19:36:28 * RST38h glad to see Vista-like glossy buttons being replaced by plain iphone heresy Feb 11 19:36:52 hi Feb 11 19:36:53 RST38h: it's relatively easy to make a theme that's based on something existing :) Feb 11 19:37:04 RST38h: no need to play with properties for hours :) Feb 11 19:37:54 steampunk! steampunk! =) Feb 11 19:37:55 uhm ... if you a bored do a 'outdoor' theme .. white background, black text high contrast colored buttons, big readable fonts Feb 11 19:38:47 RST38h: Well, steampuk requires not only hours of playing with properties, but also weeks of drawing artwork :) Feb 11 19:39:01 * thresh waves Feb 11 19:39:08 RST38h: not sure that this masterpiece will worth it Feb 11 19:39:16 thresh: heya Feb 11 19:39:46 vlc for n900 compiled: check Feb 11 19:39:51 time to have fun Feb 11 19:41:34 thresh: omg! Feb 11 19:41:35 t-tan, VERY INTERESTING, my microsd just returned a 10 minute decompression time!!! Feb 11 19:42:20 qole: you must have a turbo charged SD! :) Feb 11 19:42:34 \~ Feb 11 19:42:59 brb, gran turismo calls Feb 11 19:43:12 thresh: has it got ui too? Feb 11 19:43:14 qole: so it's only your eMMC that is so slow Feb 11 19:43:49 RST38h: that's what i'm trying to compile now Feb 11 19:44:19 qole: I think the noob in the forum tried to extract it on his PC Feb 11 19:45:08 so how to fix eMMC? Feb 11 19:45:18 qole: interesting: xz is slower than lzma: real 9m 26.28s Feb 11 19:46:33 t-tan: so? Feb 11 19:46:40 better compression is slower Feb 11 19:46:42 that's not exactly news Feb 11 19:47:27 luke-jr: no, it's just decompressing, and has to process less input Feb 11 19:48:00 luke-jr: but regarding those components, feel free to start preparing forms as described Feb 11 19:48:12 i don't mind having content available when we start having a queue Feb 11 19:48:24 luke-jr: both lzma and xz are optimized for high-speed decompression Feb 11 19:49:30 fsck.vfat -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1 returned no errors... Feb 11 19:52:32 neat, finland is on google street view Feb 11 19:54:47 Gah, I've got so much Maemo work to do this weekend. Must avoid tmo to avoid disspiritation (that could be a word) Feb 11 19:55:55 Jaffa, good plan. Feb 11 19:56:34 GeneralAntilles: I'll stick an interim issue.txt up tonight so we can avoid the traditional Sunday rush Feb 11 19:56:44 Cool Feb 11 19:56:46 qole: you could try the fs benchmarks bonnie++, postmark or iozone3 Feb 11 19:56:57 could vlc stream the camera + audio over udp to some host? Feb 11 19:56:58 * Jaffa 's thought is that council election timetable may be fronted Feb 11 19:57:09 cause that's what we use for broadcasting tv here Feb 11 19:57:51 * SpeedEvil passes Jaffa some strong spirits to help with avoiding dispiritation. Feb 11 19:59:31 SpeedEvil: Exceeeeleent :) Feb 11 19:59:47 * RST38h suggests "transdickification" for this occassion Feb 11 20:00:14 zash, yes, it could, AFAIK Feb 11 20:00:30 As in "Have been busy proving tmo posters wrong, when I suddenly felt myself a dick" Feb 11 20:00:36 RST38h: Surely that'd involve the movement of dickishness? Feb 11 20:00:43 Jaffa: see above Feb 11 20:01:20 * RST38h keeps from commenting on tmo lately due to this exact feeling Feb 11 20:01:37 going onto wifi... Feb 11 20:02:01 * Jaffa read the quote wrong the second time. But then he has a bad mind. Feb 11 20:17:37 python gtk geniuses around ? Feb 11 20:18:48 RST38h: well, gui kinda works Feb 11 20:18:57 i see nothing on buttons though Feb 11 20:19:16 I'm trying to change background of a button but the eventbox tricks do not seem to work Feb 11 20:19:36 and yes, I have a good reason to break the theme Feb 11 20:21:05 i made as simple windget based on the example widget found from repositories (lib-timeout-home-winget), it uses GtkVbox and GtkLabel with text in it. Any tips how to get the windget transparent, or where to look for examples/documentation? Feb 11 20:39:17 what package provides qtgui? Feb 11 20:39:29 the python module Feb 11 20:40:20 python-qt4? Feb 11 20:48:07 found it: python2.5-qt4-gui Feb 11 20:48:34 good morning, folks Feb 11 20:49:21 t-tan, I just got 23 mins on eMMC. Would the size of /tmp have any effect on speed? Feb 11 20:54:35 how to make video call on n900? Feb 11 20:54:38 qole, shouldn't, unless /tmp was a ramdrive thingy of some sort Feb 11 20:55:02 it's a tmpfs Feb 11 20:55:18 which is in memory right? Feb 11 20:55:49 yes Feb 11 20:56:16 but i think tmpfs have builtin purge feature of some kind Feb 11 20:56:28 that it starts deleting files when more memory is required Feb 11 20:56:39 I want to know if lzma decompression would speed up with a bigger /tmp Feb 11 20:56:45 no Feb 11 20:56:50 it's done in ram Feb 11 20:57:08 I wonder why it got faster for me. Feb 11 20:57:14 only thing that could speed it up is faster cpu/memory/source disk/destination disk Feb 11 20:57:38 what have you done to make it faster? Feb 11 20:58:09 last night, on an otherwise idle N900 it took over an hour. Today, it took 23 minutes. Feb 11 20:58:53 maybe there was something using memory? Feb 11 20:58:57 this is MyDocs. .. mmc1 was even faster 10 mins... Feb 11 20:59:03 lzma needs quite a bit memory to decompress stuff Feb 11 20:59:28 and how do you know that it was idle? Feb 11 20:59:34 have you checked load average? Feb 11 21:02:11 whoever fixed this is my hero :) => https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 Feb 11 21:02:12 Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth Feb 11 21:02:15 my load average is 3.5 koreks Feb 11 21:02:31 it's only been, what... 2 years? Feb 11 21:02:32 lol Feb 11 21:02:39 nice fix Feb 11 21:02:39 qole, question for you Feb 11 21:03:18 koreks? Feb 11 21:03:22 jaem, hey Feb 11 21:04:08 qole, I took a look at the FM TX datasheet, and 118 was listed as "typical", not maximum. Did you find any other documents that clarified that? Feb 11 21:04:13 nm jacekowski Feb 11 21:04:21 the notation in the table was a bit unusual, in my experience Feb 11 21:05:19 jaem, no, I know very little about the matter, I just packaged a hack from talk.maemo.org Feb 11 21:05:30 ah, okay Feb 11 21:05:37 I thought you'd looked it up in the first place Feb 11 21:05:45 who was it that published the hack in the first place? Feb 11 21:06:09 do you recall the username? Feb 11 21:06:27 jaem, I saw reports that setting any hugher value has no extra benefit Feb 11 21:06:30 jaem: 118 is maximum Feb 11 21:06:41 jaem: it does not allow - the kernel driver - >118 to be set Feb 11 21:06:45 SpeedEvil, for the N900, or in the hardware? Feb 11 21:06:48 or do we not know? Feb 11 21:06:49 ah, I see Feb 11 21:07:03 there are comments in the driver code that 118 is hardware max Feb 11 21:07:10 so, anyone else noticed the icq telepathy plugin is not working atm? Feb 11 21:07:14 I wasn't sure how much abstraction the kernel layered onto the I2C devices Feb 11 21:07:16 however - the datasheet for the fmtx is not published Feb 11 21:07:23 thread 38582 Feb 11 21:07:24 happens from time to time, just asking if I'm not the only one Feb 11 21:07:42 SpeedEvil, maybe not the full one, but I'm pretty sure I found a decent product brief with technical information Feb 11 21:07:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter - has some comments and real-world tests of low-power FM transmitters Feb 11 21:07:55 jaem: more than 2 pages? Feb 11 21:07:56 qole, SpeedEvil thanks Feb 11 21:08:03 SpeedEvil, no Feb 11 21:08:06 so not the full one Feb 11 21:08:24 but it was better than some briefs I've seen, which were solely written by the marketing department ;) Feb 11 21:08:49 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38582 Feb 11 21:09:13 where does apt fetches the lists on update? Feb 11 21:09:48 thresh, do you mean where from, or where does it store them? Feb 11 21:10:07 oh, sorry for not being clear. where does it store those. Feb 11 21:10:15 I believe it's /var/lib/apt/lists Feb 11 21:10:21 yep Feb 11 21:10:30 I just checked on Kubuntu, and it should be the same for Maemo, methinks Feb 11 21:10:39 * thresh should probably move that to /opt somewhere Feb 11 21:10:52 thanks Feb 11 21:14:04 you're welcome ;) Feb 11 21:14:15 I didn't actually know off the top of my head, so I'm glad you made me check Feb 11 21:14:15 heh Feb 11 21:14:55 i'm hitting https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 also, any idea? Feb 11 21:14:56 Bug 8702: GPG error when updating Extras from repository.maemo.org Feb 11 21:18:18 I hate how ogg decoding is such a cpu hog on the N900! :( Feb 11 21:19:55 So, I still can't get microb to work again on my n900. I don't know what triggered it, but it's broken. It doesn't load anything and I can't get into the options menu or use any other menu entries. I tried reinstalling microb-engine and microb-engine-common but that didn't do anything. I also moved ~/.mozilla away but that didn't even reset the config Feb 11 21:20:25 I only surfed about 10 minutes since I got it. Maybe installing ABP triggered the problem. I uninstalled ABP already, though. Feb 11 21:20:26 * luke-jr mutters about non-free software. Feb 11 21:20:56 what about it? Feb 11 21:21:57 Shapeshifter: what does it say when you run it from terminal? Feb 11 21:24:28 Stskeeps: it's negatively impacting my ability to troubleshoot my connection Feb 11 21:25:59 lol Feb 11 21:26:38 what kind of connection? Feb 11 21:27:27 cable Feb 11 21:28:06 I thought the software stack didn't even know how to use a cbale Feb 11 21:28:14 luke-jr, why havent you got a wrt-45XB super linux router thing Feb 11 21:28:15 atleast it doesn't know how to use my usb-ethernet adapter :/ Feb 11 21:28:28 lcuk: because no such thing exists Feb 11 21:28:41 wrt-54gl Feb 11 21:28:43 i thought everyone put linux on their router things Feb 11 21:28:47 mine kinda sucks in range Feb 11 21:28:49 lcuk: and it's not my router that's the problem anyway Feb 11 21:28:53 it's the cable modem Feb 11 21:28:57 but im not sure if it's running at 10mW instead of 100 or something Feb 11 21:28:59 which runs some proprietary blob Feb 11 21:29:27 my old 56k modem was like that Feb 11 21:29:30 It's probably your neighbours fault, they're trying to steal free cable Feb 11 21:29:33 it would make funny noises Feb 11 21:29:34 and I can only get Linux to boot w/ serial console, not talk to teh ISP Feb 11 21:29:34 :/ Feb 11 21:29:39 and internet would happen Feb 11 21:29:56 trting to disassemble my qwerty assy Feb 11 21:30:09 it's not going too well Feb 11 21:30:22 are you following the instructions? Feb 11 21:30:34 still don't see a reason for it leaking or creaking Feb 11 21:30:46 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 11 21:30:50 luke-jr, im sure if my mum can make her modem work without source, you can Feb 11 21:30:55 sandman: uhmm, what's the name of microb? it's not "microb" Feb 11 21:31:00 i don't want to disassemb;e the whole phone Feb 11 21:31:03 I mean the executable for launching from the term Feb 11 21:31:03 ShadowJK: possible, but I'm too lazy to get my public AP working, so it's encrypted atm Feb 11 21:31:23 lcuk: key word is reliable Feb 11 21:31:23 Shapeshifter, browser Feb 11 21:31:34 ShadowJK: ah thanks Feb 11 21:31:40 browserd? Feb 11 21:31:52 It says "error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant Feb 11 21:32:30 thinking about gluing it lol Feb 11 21:32:46 sandman: ^ Feb 11 21:32:52 or just breaking the assy and buying another one Feb 11 21:34:29 i am not a n900 user yet... but there is your problem. Is there a package called osso-"something" Feb 11 21:34:44 i can't check it up Feb 11 21:35:22 maybe reinstalling the osso-thing solves it Feb 11 21:35:30 * satmd wonders who fuggy_n900 is Feb 11 21:35:43 because that one appeared on another net in my chan Feb 11 21:36:06 sandman: there'se dozens of "osso-things" in apt Feb 11 21:37:06 ohh.. Feb 11 21:38:00 i googled it and found this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-10-29.log.html Feb 11 21:38:19 it talkes about a qdesktopservices Feb 11 21:38:42 yeah I also found that Feb 11 21:38:49 I think he wants to launch an external url or something Feb 11 21:38:58 anyway, I see ps -a | grep browser shows a couple of processes Feb 11 21:39:02 I guess I'll just kill them Feb 11 21:39:35 browserd -s 1934 -n browserui and browserd -d and browserd -s 14183 -n RTComMessaginServer Feb 11 21:39:39 and two browser Feb 11 21:40:36 huh why are they still there. pkill -9 browser; pkill -9 browserd didn't kill them Feb 11 21:40:41 but they're not defunct Feb 11 21:41:07 killall only killed one of them -..- Feb 11 21:41:24 or they got restarted after getting killed? Feb 11 21:41:43 Shapeshifter: killed my system yesterday with killing stuff i thought should not be running Feb 11 21:41:54 Kegetys: that's it, yes. if I 'kill' the pid manually I see another one relaunching Feb 11 21:42:16 I just want the damn browser "backend" or whatever is running to restart ^^ Feb 11 21:42:21 * Shapeshifter looks in /etc/init.d Feb 11 21:42:58 -.- Feb 11 21:44:14 Shapeshifter: you're looking for bme-lauch Feb 11 21:44:18 * ifreq eyes the channel Feb 11 21:45:06 #/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t "/usr/sbin/browserd -d" Feb 11 21:45:06 /usr/sbin/dsmetool -m -17 -o "/usr/sbin/browserd -d" Feb 11 21:45:32 /etc/X11/Xsession.post/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorleywood_Bread_Process Feb 11 21:45:34 err Feb 11 21:45:49 /etc/X11/Xsession.post/30tablet-browser-daemon Feb 11 21:45:58 SpeedEvil: interesting article ;) Feb 11 21:46:46 dsmetool is the thing that does the main restarting of crap Feb 11 21:46:48 can i write applications for maemo using QT or do i need esbox. Feb 11 21:46:55 SpeedEvil: okay Feb 11 21:48:08 well that pretty much rebooted my device Feb 11 21:48:43 mak89k: you can use Qt Feb 11 21:49:01 which is more user friendly? Feb 11 21:49:03 if you've been killing browserd - then after 180s window in which it's died 3 times - it will reboot Feb 11 21:49:20 i am noob i have jus downloaded the maemo 5 sdk Feb 11 21:49:32 can i update the maemo from the cli? Feb 11 21:50:13 SuPrSluG, you could try, its not the recommended way tho Feb 11 21:50:13 mak89k: "user"? you mean, for you to code? Feb 11 21:50:25 mak89k: it's complete matter of taste. I prefer Qt over gtk for once. Feb 11 21:50:27 yes yes :) Feb 11 21:50:52 there will be no poratability issues rt? Feb 11 21:50:58 portability* Feb 11 21:51:03 rt? Feb 11 21:51:14 mak89k: ah, I just looked up esbox. I don't like eclipse. No clues about it really. Feb 11 21:51:33 mak89k: you can code anything you like really, any way you like, as long as it runs/compiles on ARM. Feb 11 21:52:00 (esbox) i don like it either ... it very heavy .. Feb 11 21:52:16 mak89k: you sure don't have to use it. Feb 11 21:52:49 mak89k, what development stuff have you done in the past? is it your job? what do you work in Feb 11 21:52:59 lcuk, what way is best? Feb 11 21:53:33 SuPrSluG, after backing up everything using the backup tool, i just use app manager Feb 11 21:53:35 i am in UG ... was jus checking out the environment.. have lil experience in android Feb 11 21:53:44 i use console for extras-updates and things Feb 11 21:53:48 but not for OS ones Feb 11 21:53:57 UG? Feb 11 21:54:09 under graduate. Feb 11 21:54:11 :P Feb 11 21:54:41 lcuk, I thought I did that, but it show Nokia-N900-42-11 which is old? Feb 11 21:55:24 mak89k: If you want to do some GUI stuff, I'd recommend coding in python and pyside (Qt) Feb 11 21:55:29 umm you know, i use those numbersevery day Feb 11 21:55:38 but i havent got a clue which is which Feb 11 21:55:47 wrt released/name Feb 11 21:55:58 if you want something fast, you dont want python Feb 11 21:56:00 42- is initial release, 51- is pr1.1 Feb 11 21:56:09 thanks w00t Feb 11 21:56:11 hostname isnt updated when you upgrade to pr1.1 Feb 11 21:56:27 Shapeshifter: ok .. il have to learn python now!! Feb 11 21:56:58 frals, its possible to use python quickly Feb 11 21:57:01 from a terminal how can I tell which version I'm running? Feb 11 21:57:10 its just not ever done Feb 11 21:57:17 ;) Feb 11 21:57:41 ~curse semaphores and java Feb 11 21:57:42 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, semaphores and java ! Feb 11 21:57:47 mak89k: very easy. Feb 11 21:59:01 Shapeshifter: :) i shld get started with it!! recommend any tutorials for python? Feb 11 21:59:27 mak89k, all the regular python tuts should work Feb 11 21:59:43 and most of the time they will just work on your desktop and your tablet Feb 11 22:01:13 mak89k: for python I recommend the official tutorial (http://docs.python.org/tutorial/) and I don't know any pyside tuts as I learned using qt with pyqt, but I'm guessing pyside is rather similar. A nice pyqt tutorial is here: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ Feb 11 22:01:53 Shapeshifter: awesome thanks a lot!!! :) Feb 11 22:02:00 and I'd say for Qt just stick to the C++ API docs, I'd say the Qt API is superb Feb 11 22:07:34 Mh. No curl in the repos :( Feb 11 22:08:27 Yo Feb 11 22:08:48 Wondering if anyone can help me with a youtube problem on the n900 :) Feb 11 22:09:04 port21: What problem? Feb 11 22:09:21 Basically, ive seen on youtube how people have access youtube and its displayed how it would display on a desktop, but i cant get it to come out of mobile view Feb 11 22:09:26 btw, mytube works great on PC if you don't want to install flash Feb 11 22:09:43 Also. Woo! Angrybirds all 21 level 1 and 2 ***. Feb 11 22:09:52 tfor some reason im stuck with the mobile view stylesheet Feb 11 22:10:29 SpeedEvil, you got any ideas? Feb 11 22:10:46 port21: what do you mean 'mobile view stylesheet' Feb 11 22:10:51 oh Feb 11 22:10:58 I'd try clearing any cookies? Feb 11 22:11:41 mmm... cookies Feb 11 22:11:57 poert21: could it have been with another browser? (i am a noob on n900) Feb 11 22:12:30 ive tried clearing cookies, ive tried it with the n900 built in browser and firefox on there too Feb 11 22:12:39 port21, I"m not aware of a mobile page for Youtube. Is there one, are are you just referring to CSS layout modifications? Feb 11 22:12:52 e.g. removing sidebars, etc. Feb 11 22:12:54 m.youtube.com i think if the url Feb 11 22:12:57 ah Feb 11 22:13:00 *is Feb 11 22:13:04 and it redirects you to there? Feb 11 22:13:07 yep Feb 11 22:13:10 hmm Feb 11 22:13:12 even if i click to change to destop Feb 11 22:13:12 maybe that's new Feb 11 22:13:40 hmm Feb 11 22:13:40 I've found some sites that don't know what to do with the Maemo 5 browser, because it reports itself as a desktop-class browser on a mobile device Feb 11 22:13:43 pretty lame if it is Feb 11 22:13:43 some sites get confused Feb 11 22:13:48 can you try with Tear? Feb 11 22:13:55 Tear? Feb 11 22:14:05 Tear lets you set the useragent string to anything you want, say, desktop Firefox Feb 11 22:14:18 yeah, it's another browser which isn't stable for the N900 yet Feb 11 22:14:32 but it works more or less, and it would allow you to check a few things Feb 11 22:14:47 nice. i'll check it out Feb 11 22:15:02 port21, do you know how to change useragent strings? Feb 11 22:15:10 cant say i do Feb 11 22:15:11 lol Feb 11 22:15:15 Jaffa, you need to con some more sub-editors. :P Feb 11 22:15:40 what conditions must be met in order for MyDocs to show up in any standard save dialog, or file manager. Or better yet, is there any way in which I can get /home/user to show up in them (apart from with a symbolic link on the external card. Feb 11 22:15:48 it seems on the videos of people showing off their n900, theyre using the builtin browser to view youtube, and it appears in desktop mode, but mine keeps throwing me back to mobile view Feb 11 22:15:57 port21: if you write "about:config" in firefox you could change the useragent Feb 11 22:16:04 does anyone know of a tutorial for packaging a simple Qt project into a .deb? x86 to start with... working my way to arm Feb 11 22:16:07 port21, it's in the Tear options. Essentially, a useragent string is what the browser sends with web requests to identify itself and/or the device Feb 11 22:16:12 there's also a package in either testing or devel that lets you change useragent easily Feb 11 22:16:21 that's how sites know if you're using a dumbphone, an iPhone, or a real phone Feb 11 22:16:23 ;) Feb 11 22:16:25 or a desktop Feb 11 22:16:32 etc. Feb 11 22:16:36 greenfly, I vaguely thought I'd heard of that Feb 11 22:16:38 yeah, i got ya, ive used it before. :) Feb 11 22:16:42 that might be worth trying first, port21 Feb 11 22:17:05 simula, Debian packaging specifically, or Maemo's guidelines? Feb 11 22:17:12 also, which language is your app in? Feb 11 22:17:30 jaem, i was thinking generic debian to start with... c++ Feb 11 22:17:52 jaem, what am i looking for in about:config? Feb 11 22:18:05 simula, well, there are some tutorials, and I'll try to find one, but you'll want to read up one the actual Guidelines, too Feb 11 22:18:12 port21: write useragent Feb 11 22:18:23 Debian has theirs, and Maemo has a slightly modified set of Guidelines on top of it, IIRC Feb 11 22:18:43 jaem, no results for useragent Feb 11 22:18:54 simula, as for ARM, if you're using Qt, and nothing weird, then it shouldn't be much work to cross-compile Feb 11 22:19:08 port21, this is in microB, or whatever they call the stock browser these days? Feb 11 22:19:19 simula, give me a sec Feb 11 22:19:30 jaem... i'm working my way through the "Debian New Maintainers' Guide", but it's relatively slow going Feb 11 22:19:46 yeah, Debian packaging is quite pedantic, unfortunately Feb 11 22:19:50 be glad you're not doing RPMs Feb 11 22:19:50 heh Feb 11 22:19:55 heh :) Feb 11 22:20:24 me, I like my Arch packages... nice and simple, no frills, and quick to write and test Feb 11 22:20:29 got 4 results from useragent, im assuming useragent.vendor is what im after? Feb 11 22:20:39 port21, I'll check Feb 11 22:20:53 thats the only one that mentions maemo and N900 Feb 11 22:20:59 jaem, can say the same about debian once you understand it Feb 11 22:21:06 port21: strange.. when i write it shows "general.useragent.extra.firefox" and is set for "Firefox/3.6" on my Ubuntu machine Feb 11 22:21:09 hmm, it looks like FF breaks the string down into pieces Feb 11 22:21:20 it sasandman, jaem told me to use the stock browser Feb 11 22:21:23 lcuk, oh, probably, but I still would argue that's it's more pedantic Feb 11 22:21:36 port21: ahh ok Feb 11 22:21:47 port21, well, you can try Tear or something else - I was just advising you try what you have first Feb 11 22:22:00 i googled around and couldnt find anyone else having the same problem Feb 11 22:22:02 tis odd Feb 11 22:22:12 can you paste (or pastebin, if it's long) what shows up for a query of "useragent" in about:config Feb 11 22:22:21 I'll doublecheck with a couple of browsers now Feb 11 22:22:34 simula, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html looks decent Feb 11 22:22:40 I think that's what I used originally Feb 11 22:22:48 I'm not sure how up to date it is, though Feb 11 22:23:13 jaem, it says "Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N900" Feb 11 22:23:18 port21, out of curiousity, are you logged into Google/Youtube when you're visiting this page? Feb 11 22:23:20 ok, thanks jaem, i appreciate the help Feb 11 22:23:24 simula, lots of people take an existing package thats similar and hack from there Feb 11 22:23:31 jame, ive tried both, clearing cookies between tries Feb 11 22:23:37 lcuk, good point Feb 11 22:23:38 i'm considering that lcuk :) Feb 11 22:23:46 its not hte best approach Feb 11 22:23:54 but along with your reading Feb 11 22:23:56 it might help Feb 11 22:24:04 lcuk, isn't there also a command to autogenerate a skeleton set of buildscripts? Feb 11 22:24:17 yeah lol Feb 11 22:24:20 i cant remember tho Feb 11 22:24:27 ...so, the Olympic torch went through my campus this morning... it made me late for my exam Feb 11 22:24:31 i have a clicky button inside visual basic to do that for me Feb 11 22:24:42 jaem, i think it's dh_make Feb 11 22:24:50 and all it was was a guy running with a burning stick :P The sponsors put on a better show Feb 11 22:24:53 still neat, though Feb 11 22:24:58 simula, sounds about right Feb 11 22:25:51 * lcuk ponders ogl liqbase Feb 11 22:26:34 port21, hmm... worksforme in the stock browser Feb 11 22:27:59 thats so weird Feb 11 22:28:07 so you get the full desktop experience? Feb 11 22:28:25 scroll to the bottom to mobile and click that, and you'll see howi see it. Feb 11 22:28:29 port21, up Feb 11 22:28:33 sure, give me a sec Feb 11 22:28:48 i click on a video, and it opens up my media player to play it fullscreen, thats nice, but i want in browser viewing Feb 11 22:28:49 =P Feb 11 22:29:10 jaem, are you using firefox or the maemo browser that came with the phone? Feb 11 22:29:17 the stock browser Feb 11 22:29:24 I'll try it with Tear momentarily Feb 11 22:29:28 I don't have Firefox installld Feb 11 22:29:36 ive tried with the stock browser and firefox Feb 11 22:29:42 both same result Feb 11 22:29:49 i doubt tear would be any different? Feb 11 22:30:09 probably not, but I'm curious Feb 11 22:30:11 hmm Feb 11 22:30:13 that really is odd Feb 11 22:30:27 when did this start? Feb 11 22:30:59 since i got the phone 2 days ago Feb 11 22:31:07 -shrug- Feb 11 22:31:11 maybe if he delete everything but "Firefox/3.5"? Feb 11 22:31:23 inabout:config Feb 11 22:31:24 that might be worth trying, actually Feb 11 22:31:24 port21: odd. Does it do it over wifi and cell? Feb 11 22:31:32 SpeedEvil, I was just going to ask that Feb 11 22:31:33 yeah. same result Feb 11 22:31:51 given the site, I wouldn't be surprised if some carriers might think of messing with your requests Feb 11 22:31:54 port21: is this a generic n900 - or is it bought theough an opeatror? Feb 11 22:31:56 to save bandwidth Feb 11 22:32:04 it would be evil, but it wouldn't surprise me Feb 11 22:32:05 bought through vodafone. Feb 11 22:32:09 aha! Feb 11 22:32:19 gah, i was afraid of that, lol Feb 11 22:32:24 I would next try flashing it to the stock firmware Feb 11 22:32:38 * jaem nods Feb 11 22:32:43 Does it have any explicit branding / vodafone apps? Feb 11 22:32:53 and if it suddenly magically works, then go raise heck about it Feb 11 22:33:03 that sort of thing isn't cool, if that's what they're doing Feb 11 22:33:04 if I delete ICQ (or other IM protocol) contacts from the n900 contacts list, will they get deleted from the ICQ,... servers? Feb 11 22:33:08 rather frustrating cos i sign out of my youtube account and it says "this page does not have a mobile version, view desktop version?", then i tap it and it takes me back to the home page in mobile version. Feb 11 22:33:26 seriously, though, if they're messing with your web requests, make noise about it Feb 11 22:33:33 no, its just a normal n900 just on contract Feb 11 22:34:09 what does settings->about list as the softwareve reiosn? Feb 11 22:34:12 version Feb 11 22:35:14 in the phones settings or browser settings? Feb 11 22:35:31 could it be a filter vodafone are using for mobile devices? Feb 11 22:35:33 phones Feb 11 22:35:45 sandman: he/she said it did it on mobile and fixed line Feb 11 22:36:04 2.2009.51-1.205.1 Feb 11 22:36:12 maemo 5 Feb 11 22:36:12 jaem, I'm considering going to see the torch come thru my campus tonight... Not worth it? Feb 11 22:36:35 Interesting Feb 11 22:36:40 qole, unless there's more fanfare than there was up on the hill, I wouldn't say it's worth going anywhere Feb 11 22:36:51 my version is 51-1.203.2 Feb 11 22:36:53 if you live nearby, then it might be worth it just to say you saw it Feb 11 22:37:05 but as I said, it really comes down to a guy running past with a burning stick Feb 11 22:37:05 any way to force an update? thats how i updated my old t mobile G1 Feb 11 22:37:28 hell, i'll run pas your campus with a burning stick :D sounds like fun. Feb 11 22:37:35 205.1 would seem to be more recent Feb 11 22:37:41 when does it go through at YouBeeSee? Feb 11 22:37:41 er... UBC Feb 11 22:38:23 oh, would also like to mention by the way that im in the UK. =P Feb 11 22:38:39 not sure how that might effect it, but its a possibility Feb 11 22:38:42 port21, it'd be a long run Feb 11 22:38:52 and yes, I know you're in the UK, thanks to the Wonders of Technology Feb 11 22:38:56 lol, that wasnt in reference to the torch, more my problem Feb 11 22:39:01 lol Feb 11 22:39:07 well, it would affect both matters Feb 11 22:39:10 :) Feb 11 22:39:10 yeah dude, wasnt sure if you'd seen. Feb 11 22:39:14 haha Feb 11 22:39:30 pay me the same amount as the olypic dude and i'll run across water to ya Feb 11 22:39:31 lol Feb 11 22:39:42 hmm, well, there was another carrier in the UK that was doing evil things to save bandwidth, so I don't suppose it's out of the question Feb 11 22:39:58 yeah Feb 11 22:40:27 I forget who, but they got some bad press a year or so ago when they proxied all images through a server running high-level GIF compression Feb 11 22:40:32 it was painful, from the pictures I saw Feb 11 22:40:50 and that was the basis of their ad campaign saying that they had the fastest Internet service on their phones Feb 11 22:40:52 yikes Feb 11 22:41:08 Is there any way to get a textual output of all package versions? Feb 11 22:41:12 apt-cache somehow? Feb 11 22:41:20 SpeedEvil, you'd want dpkg-query, and yes probably Feb 11 22:41:21 oh wait Feb 11 22:41:24 all installed, or in the repos? Feb 11 22:41:54 I meant on the phone Feb 11 22:42:03 installed, then? Feb 11 22:42:04 so we could compare port21's versions with the normal Feb 11 22:42:07 you'd have to use dpkg-query Feb 11 22:42:10 jaem, yeah, i think that was T mobile. Feb 11 22:42:19 and I always forget the switches, because they were non-obvious Feb 11 22:42:32 port21, I think I heard of something different, but it also sounds like something T-Mo would pull Feb 11 22:42:48 ...when they're not suing bloggers over colour schemes Feb 11 22:42:49 haha Feb 11 22:43:01 actally, it could be vodafone, theyve been going crazy with advertising lately about their internet speeds ;/ Feb 11 22:43:03 port21: dpkg-query -l >out Feb 11 22:43:16 then pastebin or copy out somewhere public might be interesting Feb 11 22:43:33 2 secs, restarting phone. Feb 11 22:43:36 what conditions must be met in order for MyDocs to show up in any standard save dialog, or file manager. Or better yet, is there any way in which I can get /home/user to show up in them (apart from with a symbolic link on the external card. Feb 11 22:43:47 SpeedEvil, do the carriers have their own repos for custom things, then, or does Nokia host them? Feb 11 22:43:54 or do they just not update things... Feb 11 22:43:55 jaem: I have no idea. Feb 11 22:44:09 jaem: The version on port21s phone is later than on mine Feb 11 22:44:13 or apparantly Feb 11 22:44:15 hmm... I'm wondering because it might affect the versioning Feb 11 22:44:20 yeah - true Feb 11 22:44:35 SpeedEvil, I think that's a version suffix, similar to n.n.n-xmaemoy Feb 11 22:44:48 sounds not implausible Feb 11 22:44:55 SpeedEvil, it might, in that case, be carrier specific firmware Feb 11 22:44:57 the last part probably isn't set by Nokia, at least not in the same sense Feb 11 22:45:02 port21, that's my guess Feb 11 22:45:16 the suffix doesn't fit with Nokia's usual versioning scheme, as far as I've seen Feb 11 22:46:07 I'm going to grab some lunch, but I'll be around - poke me if you figure out anything, please Feb 11 22:46:35 ui-wise, on maemo, what is the best way to represent tabs ? Feb 11 22:46:54 jon1012, hmm... it's not a common UI element Feb 11 22:46:57 did you check the HIG? Feb 11 22:47:02 yeah Feb 11 22:47:06 and I don't find anything like that Feb 11 22:47:18 did it disallow them, or just not mention them? Feb 11 22:47:34 who wants to test an iTheme for maemo 5? :P Feb 11 22:47:34 just not mention and somehow tell its discouraged Feb 11 22:47:46 wazd: itheme ? Feb 11 22:47:51 wazd, I would, but I'd have to burn my phone afterward :P Feb 11 22:47:56 screenshots? Feb 11 22:48:06 my problem : user can do a search for places (bars/restaurants) in an area... and I want to let the user switch betwen map and listing views Feb 11 22:48:10 jaem: don't forget to take a shower :D Feb 11 22:48:26 jon1012, would the normal "stacked window" approach be unsuitable? Feb 11 22:48:31 as in the mail client Feb 11 22:48:31 jaem: yeah :( Feb 11 22:48:40 jaem: as there is search, then place view Feb 11 22:48:41 jaem: I actually can't take a screenshots, as you remember, so I ask to test somebody in the crowd :D Feb 11 22:48:47 but search can be either map or listing Feb 11 22:48:52 jon1012: iPhone theme for maemo5 :) Feb 11 22:48:58 wazd, fire me a linnk, and I'll see what I can do Feb 11 22:49:02 wazd: lol why not Feb 11 22:49:08 wazd: could be fun to test Feb 11 22:49:32 jon1012, is this in Qt or GTK? Feb 11 22:49:38 gtk Feb 11 22:49:42 Hmm. this is odd. im gonna go do a bit of googling. i'll be back soon :) Feb 11 22:49:47 thanks for your help so far guys Feb 11 22:49:48 :) Feb 11 22:49:58 hmm... okay, I'm not familiar with GTK, so I can't suggest specific widgets Feb 11 22:50:01 port21, no problem - good luck Feb 11 22:50:08 let me show screenshots of what I mean Feb 11 22:50:13 jaem: I hope the link will be ready in like 30 minutes Feb 11 22:50:18 jon1012, sure, that would be good Feb 11 22:50:20 chers mate Feb 11 22:50:28 wazd: when you have I would test too Feb 11 22:50:32 *cheers Feb 11 22:50:39 wazd, okay - I may be gone at that point, and my scrollback isn't set up properly, so PM me with it just in case, please Feb 11 22:50:40 jon1012: good Feb 11 22:50:54 jaem: sure Feb 11 22:51:39 this is the listing search result : http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5279/screenshot04n.png Feb 11 22:51:40 this is the map search result : http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8255/screenshot10v.png Feb 11 22:51:40 both views can lead once a place has been selected to this stackable view : http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5515/screenshot05q.png Feb 11 22:52:57 (I tried to keep the ui look as native as possible) Feb 11 22:53:03 right... I see your issue Feb 11 22:53:08 are you designing this for Maemo, or porting? Feb 11 22:53:18 designing for maemo Feb 11 22:53:38 (the main website is done in python and I have a connector class for distant mvc thourgh json already in python too) Feb 11 22:53:45 (so making this in pygtk isn't that hard :)) Feb 11 22:53:51 okay Feb 11 22:53:52 well... Feb 11 22:54:26 Tabs are ugly and not phone-ish, to be sure. Feb 11 22:54:30 yeah Feb 11 22:54:47 Failing any HIG mentions, you could always try something tabbish Feb 11 22:55:00 such as having a bar on the left side of the map that slides the other page across when clicked Feb 11 22:55:06 and vice-versa Feb 11 22:55:12 I've seen UI's like that, and I think it would fit better Feb 11 22:55:20 but for Maemo, I'm not sure Feb 11 22:55:53 I mean, it would probably be usable, and look better than normal tabs, but it isn't really something that I've seen on Maemo yet Feb 11 22:55:59 wazd, any opinions? Feb 11 22:56:01 i'm just wondering Feb 11 22:56:09 jon1012, do you know what I mean? Feb 11 22:56:11 if tomtom is running linux on ARM Feb 11 22:56:21 jaem: not really Feb 11 22:56:26 how complicated it would be to run it on n900 Feb 11 22:57:13 jon1012, you know those old mini tabbed binders that quick reference guides for computers and such came in? Feb 11 22:57:26 actually, never mind with that Feb 11 22:57:30 one sec Feb 11 22:57:56 oh Feb 11 22:58:36 I'm not sure where I've seen it, but they sometimes will put a vertical bar on the side of a content pane that represents another "page", or some such Feb 11 22:58:40 and you click it, and that page comes to the top, slides across, flips, or whatever Feb 11 22:58:51 btw, I'll probably release a big chunk of that app (minus the specific connector for my website network) as open source Feb 11 22:59:10 and the other view minimizes to a bar on the opposite side Feb 11 22:59:18 jon1012, yay, thanks! Feb 11 22:59:20 shots look clean :) Feb 11 22:59:34 yeah, you've done a good job, from what I can see Feb 11 22:59:51 wazd, do you understand what I'm trying to express? Feb 11 22:59:54 or am I just crazy? Feb 11 23:00:27 frals, ping? Feb 11 23:00:34 jaem: It's 2 AM here, don't expect much :D Feb 11 23:00:34 GeneralAntilles: pong Feb 11 23:00:39 wazd, ha, sure Feb 11 23:01:09 (btw, is python with qt enoguh stable to use today on n900 apps ?) Feb 11 23:01:20 (or is it better to stick with gtk ?) Feb 11 23:01:58 jon1012, I'm not sure. Qt 4.6 technically isn't stable yet, but it should be soon that I wouldn't rule it out Feb 11 23:02:06 as for the Python bindings, I have no idea Feb 11 23:02:11 soon enough* Feb 11 23:02:16 ok Feb 11 23:02:22 word is that it will be "supported" in the next PR version Feb 11 23:02:26 but I don't know for sure Feb 11 23:02:29 hehe ok Feb 11 23:02:31 http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/0,1000001991,40022669,00.htm - interesting. (chip and pin broken) Feb 11 23:02:46 I'll stick to gtk for now, I know gtk a lot, so I guess it's better until maemo 6 :) Feb 11 23:02:50 this might be of interest to people here: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=2086ed382621c57f&hl=en Feb 11 23:02:52 gtk = fail Feb 11 23:03:18 gtk = good :) but won't be the default in the future, that's why I start to look at qt :( Feb 11 23:03:29 jon1012, well, no, Qt is in late beta now Feb 11 23:03:58 the N900 will be an officially supported platform quite soon (they said Q1 sometime originally), and is already quite usable Feb 11 23:04:16 we've been using it for a research project at my university since October Feb 11 23:04:52 i'm so excited about qt-creator / madde integration and 4.6 on the phone :) Feb 11 23:05:28 so, anybody has an idea of gtk widget for my selector problem ? :) Feb 11 23:05:38 simula: apparently there's still some cmake problem, narf Feb 11 23:06:11 hehe :) hopefully it gets fixed soon jefferai Feb 11 23:06:13 (well, selector/tab/ etc) Feb 11 23:06:43 jon1012: I missed the original question, what is the problem? Feb 11 23:07:19 I have a search result view, that can be of two types, either result list or map Feb 11 23:07:39 and when you select a place on one of those views, it opens a stackablewindow with the place you selected Feb 11 23:07:52 thing is, is there an equivalent for tab to switch between the view types Feb 11 23:08:11 (23:51:39) jon1012: this is the listing search result : http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5279/screenshot04n.png Feb 11 23:08:12 (23:51:39) jon1012: this is the map search result : http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8255/screenshot10v.png Feb 11 23:08:12 (23:51:39) jon1012: both views can lead once a place has been selected to this stackable view : http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5515/screenshot05q.png Feb 11 23:08:16 jeffarai... does it sound like cmake bugs are the only thing holding back qt-creator madde integration? if so, that's great! Feb 11 23:09:38 well, no Feb 11 23:09:43 heh Feb 11 23:09:47 qmake certainly works with qt-creator/madde Feb 11 23:09:55 but if you're like me, and working on porting bits of KDE programs over Feb 11 23:09:56 you want cmake Feb 11 23:09:57 :-) Feb 11 23:09:58 jon1012: you actually could use a notebook and place the tabs on the side. Feb 11 23:10:14 nomis: yeah, but it's not recommended by HIG Feb 11 23:10:33 mhh, no lftp in the repos. Feb 11 23:10:51 jon1012: Ok, I am not an expert on the HIG :) Feb 11 23:11:04 jefferai, what are you porting now? Feb 11 23:11:10 I thought I recognized your nick :) Feb 11 23:11:27 jaem: I'm going to hold off on saying anything yet Feb 11 23:11:30 mhh, I don't see anything providing "ftp" either. What package contains a simple small cli (scriptable) ftp client? Feb 11 23:11:34 until I figure out how much of it is at all possible Feb 11 23:11:55 jefferai, ah, fair enough Feb 11 23:12:13 was it you that did the initial KOffice, etc. on the N810, or something else? Feb 11 23:12:15 I can't remember Feb 11 23:12:26 Nope Feb 11 23:12:29 I didn't have a n810 Feb 11 23:12:34 if i have a dependency in a .deb package for qt 4.6 or greater and 4.6 doesn't exist in any repo, how do i handle that? should i put those libs into my deb? Feb 11 23:13:34 simula: you're aware you can't just use a .deb from one OS and install it in a different OS? Feb 11 23:14:54 luke-jr... what OS specific things besides arch do i have to worry about luke-jr? Feb 11 23:16:40 simula: ABIs, library versions, etc Feb 11 23:16:58 for embedded architectures like ARM, also stuff like optimizations Feb 11 23:17:22 yay! X Bailed for no apparent reason Feb 11 23:17:23 woohoo Feb 11 23:18:35 so luke-jr, i was expecting to handle the library version with Depends: qt (>= 4.6), but i hadn't thought of the ABI being different because of what compiler it was compiled with Feb 11 23:20:05 ugh Feb 11 23:20:07 #GNU is terrible Feb 11 23:20:46 you are terrible Feb 11 23:20:47 ;) Feb 11 23:20:57 luke-jr, is that anything GNU? Feb 11 23:21:06 *rimshot* Feb 11 23:21:10 jaem: haha Feb 11 23:21:17 hehe Feb 11 23:21:30 seriously though, the oper there has a huge bug in his logic program Feb 11 23:21:35 does someone know how to silence ncftpput? Feb 11 23:21:40 there's no quiet switch or anything Feb 11 23:21:52 well, if i go in there trying to explain to them why the bsd license is more free, i'd come to the conclusion that its terrible too Feb 11 23:22:04 tripzero: nah Feb 11 23:22:08 :P Feb 11 23:22:15 tripzero: I was just pointing out that FSF approved a non-free license. Feb 11 23:23:25 luke-jr, that's impossible Feb 11 23:23:32 what license? Feb 11 23:23:37 no news I had to day.. just recognized that EU Swift negotiations are canceld! Feb 11 23:23:39 "SIL Open Font License 1.1" Feb 11 23:23:53 if Stallman's cool with it, then it is Free. Or are you saying you're more rabid than rms? ;) Feb 11 23:24:00 hmm Feb 11 23:24:04 jaem: Stallman has no authority Feb 11 23:24:06 no US MI will be granted access directly Feb 11 23:24:09 luke-jr, it was a jest Feb 11 23:24:09 he's just a figurehead Feb 11 23:24:19 SIL forbids selling Feb 11 23:24:24 i thought he was a harry monkey Feb 11 23:24:26 luke-jr, I know, I wasn't actually wanting to get into it Feb 11 23:24:32 tripzero, naw Feb 11 23:25:11 tripzero, actually never mind... his Google Images ranking for "unix beard" has climbed back up Feb 11 23:25:16 ...it's based esr now Feb 11 23:25:17 XD Feb 11 23:25:22 s/based/past/ Feb 11 23:25:31 lol Feb 11 23:25:33 lo Feb 11 23:25:44 so whats hot at maemo? :) Feb 11 23:25:59 beeen busy for a while so gotta catch up Feb 11 23:26:02 jaem: I'll try to use visually grouped toggle buttons in the search bar at bottom... Feb 11 23:26:17 One saying "List" and the other saying "Map" Feb 11 23:26:25 jon1012, that might work Feb 11 23:26:36 I'll try to see how it is visually... Feb 11 23:26:37 if you do a mock-up or screenie, I wouldn't mind seeing it Feb 11 23:26:47 I'll add it right now and do a screenie Feb 11 23:27:03 red, didn't you hear? The new N100000 has come out Feb 11 23:27:07 everything else is obselete Feb 11 23:27:13 -snerk- Feb 11 23:27:28 I got the N100000 with 4 GB RAM :) Feb 11 23:27:48 ...and yes, that was an arbitrary amount of key-mashed trailing 0's Feb 11 23:28:24 hmm... Google ads for the query "unix beard" Feb 11 23:28:33 do I click on the HP-UX one, or the Braun Shaver one Feb 11 23:28:36 decisions, decisions Feb 11 23:28:49 "Which path will YOU choose" Feb 11 23:32:17 m Feb 11 23:32:53 ? Feb 11 23:33:01 the desktop command execution widget is one of the best things that happened to my desktop. Feb 11 23:33:15 heh, wrong window. m == an alias for make -j5 :P Feb 11 23:33:22 hehe Feb 11 23:33:27 sudo passwd Feb 11 23:33:29 sahdfldsjlfks Feb 11 23:33:31 ;) Feb 11 23:34:41 jaem: package is baking now Feb 11 23:35:22 jaem: it's now a weird combination of Marina and an iPhone, but some elements should look fine :) Feb 11 23:35:26 * jaem smells the oven Feb 11 23:35:27 mmmm Feb 11 23:35:34 biiiiiits Feb 11 23:36:15 anyway, converting process is much faster than creating :) Feb 11 23:36:42 bwahh Feb 11 23:36:52 visually grouped toggle buttons aren't implemented in defaulttheme Feb 11 23:37:00 (both buttons have all rounder corners) Feb 11 23:37:11 (giving no clue they are a one-or-other chooser) Feb 11 23:37:19 :( Feb 11 23:37:57 this is what the widget ui spec says: "Implemented with the GtkToggleButton class using hildon_gtk_toggle_button_new(). Visually grouped toggle buttons are packed inside a GtkHBox with homogeneous set to TRUE and spacing set to 0." Feb 11 23:52:36 I used Ovi Maps for turn by turn navigation today Feb 11 23:52:46 unfortunately it was on my symbian phone :-( Feb 11 23:52:56 ShadowJK: and survived? :D Feb 11 23:52:59 * ShadowJK had to drive extra to go get it Feb 11 23:53:07 wazd, barely Feb 11 23:53:15 It's pretty the opposite of tomtom Feb 11 23:53:30 tomtom is highly allergic to small roads.. the kinds that were covered by 60cm snow today Feb 11 23:53:34 and ovi seems to love those Feb 11 23:53:48 * ShadowJK just drove until it suggested a big road Feb 11 23:55:10 that depends on settings Feb 11 23:55:34 ShadowJK: maybe you've used "ped. mode"? Feb 11 23:55:42 does someone know which package contains less? Feb 11 23:55:48 less Feb 11 23:55:49 the app, "less". Feb 11 23:55:55 ShadowJK, if it's allergic to small roads, see if the symptoms improve while driving off of downed bridges, or unbuilt freeways Feb 11 23:55:55 oh Feb 11 23:55:57 I hear that works Feb 11 23:56:02 apt get install less Feb 11 23:56:12 N900evil, that's called remove Feb 11 23:56:15 less is in sdk tools repo Feb 11 23:56:16 hehe Feb 11 23:56:24 apt-get install more! Feb 11 23:56:37 N900evil: thanks. apt-cache search's behavior of listing everything even remotely related to what you search for is still confusing me Feb 11 23:56:41 wazd, jacekowski: it wasn't in pedestrian mode.. it even had "fastest", not "shortest" selected.. Feb 11 23:56:41 oh - it's in the tools repo Feb 11 23:56:48 np Feb 12 00:01:15 vjoin #xceleo Feb 12 00:01:20 woops Feb 12 00:02:26 jaem: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/304/screenshot12r.png Feb 12 00:02:30 this is what it does Feb 12 00:02:33 not that good :( Feb 12 00:06:46 feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces Feb 12 00:07:11 What lame spam. Feb 12 00:07:41 but far less annoying than 10 bots pasting till they timeout Feb 12 00:09:50 jaem: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-itheme/0.1/ Feb 12 00:09:54 and everyone Feb 12 00:10:06 thanks, wazd Feb 12 00:10:17 I'll take a look, but I have to run to a meeting, so I'll catch you later Feb 12 00:10:37 jaem: sure, thanks Feb 12 00:20:55 wooho I've found a good way ! using hildon.CheckButton... very poorly documented but does the job :) Feb 12 00:21:46 jon1012: ^ :) Feb 12 00:26:08 someone knows if there is a glade plugin for hildon widgets ? Feb 12 00:31:47 lol . . . apologist salary Feb 12 00:35:39 * SpeedEvil finds bonnie in repo Feb 12 00:53:16 * SpeedEvil ponders responses to bugs about not supporting multiple screen-sizes. Feb 12 00:53:28 * SpeedEvil is exporting stuff to his laptop. Feb 12 01:06:35 I just noticed Feb 12 01:06:40 my N900 has newer kernel than my workstation Feb 12 01:07:20 Interesting. Feb 12 01:07:49 Running bonnie and mplayer to send the video camera image to my laptop over wifi seems to make something rather upset. Feb 12 01:08:17 [48805.234405] omap-iommu omap-iommu.1: iommu_fault_handler: da:0000c000 pgd:cfe8c000 *pgd:8fea8001 pte:cfea8030 *pte:00000000 Feb 12 01:08:17 [48805.266967] omap-iommu omap-iommu.1: omap2_iommu_fault_isr: da:0000c000 translation fault Feb 12 01:08:24 spamming logs Feb 12 01:10:00 holy kernel unhappinesses, batman Feb 12 01:10:19 * Mousey suspects contention Feb 12 01:10:24 perhaps. Feb 12 01:10:32 US$0.02++ Feb 12 01:10:34 It is a slightly unusual workload for a mobile phone. Feb 12 01:10:48 i consider it a computer.. shaped like a phone Feb 12 01:11:05 It may have been running nokia maps and displaying it on my laptop which did it though. Feb 12 01:21:42 * SpeedEvil wonders why text rendering on fbreader is a couple of orders of magnitude slower when rotated Feb 12 01:25:10 \ Feb 12 01:38:44 How is Maemo pronounced? "May-mo"? Feb 12 01:39:04 ma-emo thats how i do it Feb 12 01:42:15 Aethaeryn, my-eh-mo more or less. Feb 12 01:42:38 may-mo is mostly "wrong" (assuming pronouncing a made up word can really be considered correct or incorrect) Feb 12 01:44:18 Aethaeryn, http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Feb 12 01:44:26 Spanish - Maria gets you a pretty close approximation Feb 12 01:44:52 Finnish - Sanna is good, too. Feb 12 01:44:54 Take the linux approach Feb 12 01:44:55 (maybe better) Feb 12 01:45:00 how did the originator pronounce it. Feb 12 01:45:03 GeneralAntilles: I guess it's the English-speaking mentality... We tend to try to make one sound out of multiple vowels Feb 12 01:45:14 this words like "aisle" Feb 12 01:45:23 Not "a-isle" Feb 12 01:46:17 GeneralAntilles: Though I don't think anyone knows how to pronounce Maemo... was reading Engadget comments and everyone had a different pronunciation Feb 12 01:46:28 Aethaeryn, it was generated by pwgen. Feb 12 01:46:44 So there, arguably, isn't a "correct" pronunciation. Feb 12 01:46:55 However the guy who generated it is Spanish and Nokia is Finnish Feb 12 01:47:04 and Spanish and Finnish generally agree on the pronunciation Feb 12 01:47:14 So, my-eh-mo Feb 12 01:47:27 (very weak middle sylable) Feb 12 01:48:03 pronounced ma-e-mo Feb 12 01:54:52 GeneralAntilles: I guess I wasn't too far off, then. Feb 12 01:55:14 My-eh-mo is May-mo if you put the two vowels together like I assumed Feb 12 01:55:18 Kinda Feb 12 01:55:56 Not. :P Feb 12 01:55:59 may != my Feb 12 01:56:34 Say My-eh fast enough... and you get something kinda like May Feb 12 01:56:44 Yeah, but may-mo isn't really right. :P Feb 12 01:58:37 may-EE-moe Feb 12 01:58:38 my idea: "ma" as in your mom, e as in "eh?", "mo" again as in your mom Feb 12 01:58:44 reah!!!! Feb 12 02:00:02 with a nick like 'kamui' I'd think pronuncing arbitrary sequences of syllables would be easy ;-) Feb 12 02:01:09 well that would depend on the language from wihich the name is based wouldnt it ShadowJK Feb 12 02:01:27 yeah :) Feb 12 02:02:15 ka-mueee Feb 12 02:02:23 If we assume finns made the name... the finnish language is spelled phonetically with latin alphabet Feb 12 02:02:26 but i hear a lot of ka-moo-eee Feb 12 02:03:47 Kamui: That's dangerously close to pronouncing it as "My-emo" Feb 12 02:04:20 lol my emo Feb 12 02:04:23 nice Feb 12 02:04:40 mae mo Feb 12 02:04:53 is what i say Feb 12 02:04:57 and i stand by it Feb 12 02:06:00 off topic. i need a better pdf reader or a comic reader that does pdf format Feb 12 02:06:14 pdf reader wont quite do fullscreen zoom Feb 12 02:06:39 isnt it mimo ? Feb 12 02:07:04 and while xournal works too its slow and annotates Feb 12 02:07:05 matthew-, er, no? Feb 12 02:07:17 my-eh-mo is approximately the real pronunciation. Feb 12 02:07:18 http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Feb 12 02:07:19 well it would make sense ;-) Feb 12 02:07:22 Finnish - Sanna Feb 12 02:07:26 Type "Maemo" into the box. Feb 12 02:07:28 meamo would make sense Feb 12 02:07:30 i know finnish Feb 12 02:07:43 i dont know finnish Feb 12 02:08:25 but it dont work in engrish Feb 12 02:09:16 damn this charging bug drives me mad Feb 12 02:09:27 ae in english would be a hard A sound Feb 12 02:09:52 now that its settled Feb 12 02:09:56 Kamui: it's annoying, yes Feb 12 02:10:01 My EMO Feb 12 02:10:02 pdf reader with full screen zoom? Feb 12 02:10:04 Kamui: submit a bug Feb 12 02:10:16 Kamui: that - and you can't do 180.1% zoom Feb 12 02:10:20 (for example Feb 12 02:10:24 n900 is optimized for MySpace, and it runs My-Emo software, wooooohooooooooo Feb 12 02:12:16 lol Feb 12 02:15:14 zing! Feb 12 02:16:06 pr1.1 really fixed the touchscreen keyboard. i can thumb it really much faster than i could with 1.0 Feb 12 02:17:40 I haven't noticed any differemce, but I don't use it that much. What are the changes? Feb 12 02:18:46 SpeedEvil, they disabled gestures Feb 12 02:18:51 In favor of iPhone-like functionality. Feb 12 02:18:57 My speed dropped by about 30% Feb 12 02:18:58 I hate it. Feb 12 02:20:47 lol i dont use gestures Feb 12 02:20:55 i just mean its more accurate Feb 12 02:21:11 before speed tapping would spell out random shit Feb 12 02:21:21 but now its much much better Feb 12 02:21:25 Because you didn't lift your other thumb fast enough. Feb 12 02:21:28 It aint multitouch. Feb 12 02:21:36 not the case at all Feb 12 02:21:44 anyone know if the jquery touch devs are at least looking at the n900 for a device profile? Feb 12 02:21:49 but maybe a video demo is in order Feb 12 02:21:53 :) Feb 12 02:21:53 Kamui, if you're getting gibberish it is. Feb 12 02:22:30 PR1.1 uses the final position of the tap to select the character, not the initial one. Feb 12 02:22:41 GeneralAntilles: it wasnt gibberish as much as i was hitting the wrong letters Feb 12 02:22:48 PR1.0 you could tap a character and swipe left/right/up/down to delete and shift Feb 12 02:22:49 even though i wasnt Feb 12 02:22:56 recalibrating didnt help Feb 12 02:23:00 Yes, because your first thumb was still on the screen. Feb 12 02:23:15 Meaning you'd end up with at pouch point between the two actual touch points. Feb 12 02:23:26 if i was getting middle keys i would buy that Feb 12 02:23:53 hitting any key almost always resulted in the key to the right and down Feb 12 02:24:10 maybe i just adjusted the way i use it Feb 12 02:24:28 doesnt really matter now, it works better for me, a lot better Feb 12 02:24:56 key deadzones might have been adjusted, who knows Feb 12 02:25:11 touchscreen driver could have been improved Feb 12 02:25:22 maybe i was typing too fast Feb 12 02:29:00 that voice synth is good Feb 12 02:29:39 btw, they also fixed tx calibration in pr1.1 I think Feb 12 02:29:45 it was definitely broken before Feb 12 02:52:54 see Feb 12 02:52:58 i was right Feb 12 02:53:00 i rock Feb 12 02:53:10 espeak v synth? Feb 12 02:53:16 cause its awesome Feb 12 02:53:22 even if its brittish Feb 12 02:53:27 brrrritttttish Feb 12 02:53:50 i want to write a python script for xchat to use that Feb 12 02:54:18 havent gotten around to trying to get the python module on the n900 Feb 12 02:54:27 has to be compiled iirc Feb 12 02:55:29 Kamui: please don't use return as a punctuation sign Feb 12 02:55:52 why Feb 12 02:55:58 ouch Feb 12 02:56:23 N900evil: because we are intelligent beings and we should be able with a sentence longer than 3 words? Feb 12 02:56:40 Nah I meant the one that GeneralAntilles pasted... the finnish synth is awesome Feb 12 02:56:51 s/ble /ble to cope / Feb 12 02:56:51 crashanddie meant: N900evil: because we are intelligent beings and we should be able to cope with a sentence longer than 3 words? Feb 12 02:57:17 ill write long paragraphs from now on sorry. just guess i got carried away talking tomyself and as usual someone got mad. man i screwed up. but you have to admit, espeak is cool, i love it, works quite well on the n900 but not on my desktop. i wonder why... Feb 12 02:57:38 drama queen much? Feb 12 02:57:47 Question... if I placed a grid over the N900 screen and wanted to be able to accurately choose any by the touch of a finger.. what would you say should be the maximum size of each square in the grid? Feb 12 02:58:03 moderately bored, i shant flood anymore Feb 12 02:58:24 ~Kamui++ Feb 12 02:58:33 for using "shan't" Feb 12 02:58:49 :D Feb 12 02:59:28 crashanddie: Nice response to silvermountain, btw. lol Feb 12 02:59:36 zerojay: 6 in width, 4 in height **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 12 02:59:56 2010