**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 14 02:59:57 2010 Feb 14 03:00:55 anyone very good with mod_rewrite and .htaccess files here? Feb 14 03:03:23 :-S Feb 14 03:05:22 me Feb 14 03:05:34 inmap Feb 14 03:21:47 crashanddie: me? Feb 14 03:22:09 luke-jr: k Feb 14 03:22:20 luke-jr: I have a rewrite rule which makes my index.php disappear Feb 14 03:22:40 so I can call directly domain.tld/whatever/foo/123 Feb 14 03:22:52 and my PHP scripts will receive whatever/foo/123 as parameters Feb 14 03:22:54 anyway Feb 14 03:23:30 I want to make it so that when I call domain.tld/2010/06/front it actually goes to domain.tld/edition/index/2010/06/front Feb 14 03:24:06 RewriteRule ^(\d+)/(\d+)$ index.php?/edition/index/$1/$2 [L] Feb 14 03:24:22 (in this case it's domain.tld/2010/06) Feb 14 03:25:37 ;;;jh Feb 14 03:34:55 crashanddie: RewriteRule ^/?(\d+/.*)$ /edition/index/$1 [R=301] Feb 14 03:35:02 crashanddie: put before other rules Feb 14 03:35:13 thanks Feb 14 03:35:20 hi, is there a way to use the python hildon-banner from the command line? Feb 14 03:35:31 I *do NOT* need a full hildon app, only notifications!! Feb 14 03:40:59 luke-jr: no go, sadly Feb 14 03:46:20 luke-jr: I can dump the rewrite.log and my full .htaccess if that made things easier Feb 14 03:51:16 can anyone go at tmo with a pickaxe? Feb 14 03:51:29 microlith: to do what? Feb 14 03:51:45 distill those complaint threads down to something at least somewhat useful Feb 14 03:51:59 yeah, I've stopped caring about that Feb 14 03:52:53 everytime a mod tries to make things better by centralising the complaints or delete useless and trolling threads, we get told that we're Nokia's buffoons tryign to silence their complaints Feb 14 03:53:31 when we ask them to keep it down, and to try to be constructive, we get told we're elitists from the old garde Feb 14 03:53:43 TMO can only be insane. Feb 14 03:54:00 Its very structure is meant to drive that tendancy in posters. Feb 14 03:54:04 crashanddie, ah, don't you love it? :P Feb 14 03:54:25 Hooker! Feb 14 03:54:27 GeneralAntilles: No, I don't like it Feb 14 03:54:37 Damn elitist bastard Feb 14 03:54:42 Trying to keep the working stiff down Feb 14 03:54:46 You and your cabals Feb 14 03:54:49 working stiff? Feb 14 03:54:55 There is no global overview, a tendancy to - because of the 10 threads/page limit - to simply read and respond to the last page, ... Feb 14 03:54:56 is that a oephemism for male hooker? Feb 14 03:55:40 crashanddie: got a link I can examine? Feb 14 03:55:50 crashanddie, hey, at least they're consistent. ;) Feb 14 03:56:06 luke-jr: not public, I'll send the .htaccess and log to a pastebin, that alright? Feb 14 03:57:05 eh, I guess; but I figure things out by trial and error Feb 14 03:57:13 luke-jr: yeah... I know Feb 14 03:57:23 luke-jr: well, if you have an FTP I don't mind putting things on it Feb 14 03:57:40 we'll get massive database errors, but the hell with it Feb 14 03:58:09 crashanddie: meh, log is easier than messing with that Feb 14 04:04:47 luke-jr: log: http://slexy.org/raw/s21fLc0Kil htaccess: http://slexy.org/view/s2mgUDlYtq Feb 14 04:06:07 crashanddie: looks like it worked to me Feb 14 04:07:22 luke-jr: split uri=index.php?/http://mwkn.net/edition/index/2010/06/front/06/front -> uri=index.php, args=/http://mwkn.net/edition/index/2010/06/front/06/front Feb 14 04:10:26 luke-jr: got it Feb 14 04:10:33 luke-jr: changed R301 to L Feb 14 04:17:08 luke-jr: yup, working fine now, thanks heaps mate Feb 14 04:19:36 crashanddie: np. remember this next time you think I am a mere troll :P Feb 14 04:19:47 luke-jr: will do Feb 14 05:11:08 Damn.. the more i see about this N900 the more i love it. :) Nokia know their stuff Feb 14 05:13:10 sandman: you won't love the dev documentation or the community Feb 14 05:13:35 lol Feb 14 05:13:43 the dev documentation is incomplete and the community is only interested in the next SNES/PS1 emulator release Feb 14 05:13:52 VoltageXYZ, clearly. :rolleyes: Feb 14 05:13:54 * man_in_irssi waves Feb 14 05:13:55 haha Feb 14 05:14:08 been a while since i've been here Feb 14 05:14:19 GeneralAntilles: seriously, try finding a DBUS reference Feb 14 05:14:34 VoltageXYZ, I find your take on the community more hilarious. Feb 14 05:14:41 Either way, trolling isn't particularly appreciated. Feb 14 05:14:49 GeneralAntilles: Maemo's DBUS methods are quite different, yet they're not documented anywhere Feb 14 05:14:50 well.. except crashanddies wellcomming words in the beginning.. i just love the community Feb 14 05:15:13 how am I trolling? Feb 14 05:15:14 anyone know a way to get roxterm on diablo to treat the fullscreen button correctly? :) Feb 14 05:15:35 I've just spent the afternoon failing to create a little yellow notification at the top of my N900 Feb 14 05:15:35 * man_in_irssi trolls GeneralAntilles Feb 14 05:15:54 VoltageXYZ, libnotify is what you're after. Feb 14 05:16:02 VoltageXYZ, realize, though, that it's actually not intended for 3rd party use. Feb 14 05:16:18 using libnotify results in a tiny little white box popping up in the corner then fading out nicely. Feb 14 05:16:43 and the hildon-banner example creates an ENTIRE GTK APPLICATION just to display a notification that should be one line of code. Feb 14 05:16:48 VoltageXYZ, I find unjustified slights against this community hard to stomach. Feb 14 05:17:02 Just because you've had a hard afternoon doesn't mean you need to vent your spleen on us. :) Feb 14 05:17:10 sorry. Feb 14 05:17:47 I'm looking for a) a way to use hildon-banner without a whole GTK app, and b) a complete reference of Maemo's DBUS variation. Feb 14 05:17:53 Talk to qwerty12 if you need assistance with notifications. Feb 14 05:18:07 what timezone is qwerty12 in? Feb 14 05:18:14 UK Feb 14 05:18:19 bleh. Feb 14 05:18:24 Australia here. Feb 14 05:18:27 PM or email are most effective since he hasn't been on IRC in forever. Feb 14 05:19:12 eh I think I'll give up for the moment Feb 14 05:19:36 VoltageXYZ: sometimes a good night sleep is all that it takes Feb 14 05:19:39 the annoying thing is I got a modal notification going Feb 14 05:20:00 sandman: sleep won't help if I can't see the DBUS namespace at all. Feb 14 05:20:01 :D Feb 14 05:20:10 hehe.. true :) Feb 14 05:20:29 trying to find a dbus-browser for Maemo currently Feb 14 05:21:29 sorry, can't help you there.. <-- noob on N900 Feb 14 05:23:24 sigh, Maemo mailing list says the notification interface is undocumented Feb 14 05:29:36 hmm.. you probably already know this.. but Ubuntu use the hildon too. Maybe you could some referens there.. Feb 14 05:29:46 find* Feb 14 05:33:10 (notification) still a lot of OSS apps use it. E.g. fm-receiver Feb 14 05:33:17 * DocScrutinizer points to incredible mdbus introspection feature Feb 14 05:37:31 yeah tomorrow maybe I'll script up some introspection - d-feet crashes badly on N900 Feb 14 05:38:30 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Feb 14 05:38:45 python ;-) Feb 14 05:39:05 no crash on maemo5 Feb 14 05:39:07 d-feet is also python :P but more dependencies Feb 14 05:39:15 DocScrutinizer: THANKS! Feb 14 05:46:01 hello Feb 14 05:50:39 yello Feb 14 07:05:58 hi Feb 14 07:06:08 cn i get some support on the n900 Feb 14 07:06:18 such as how do i add missed calls to the desktop menu Feb 14 07:06:26 instead of going all the way to the phone Feb 14 07:06:36 humm, no pgup Feb 14 07:07:02 man_in_irssi: talking to someone else? Feb 14 07:07:25 yah Feb 14 07:07:27 m Feb 14 07:07:32 whats pgup? Feb 14 07:07:33 *me Feb 14 07:08:43 can't view my backlog Feb 14 07:10:15 man_in_irssi, statusbar? Feb 14 07:10:22 in xterm Feb 14 07:10:40 ctrl, tab, exc, pgup, pgdn, fullscreen Feb 14 07:12:36 roxterm Feb 14 07:12:56 good idea though Feb 14 07:13:40 cn i get some support on the n900? Feb 14 07:13:46 such as how do i add missed calls to the desktop menu Feb 14 07:13:58 is it possible to add it like a wdiget Feb 14 07:14:14 basically if i get a missed call i'd like to see it liosted on the desktop Feb 14 07:14:38 * ShadowJK doesn't know, sorry Feb 14 07:19:30 Jaffa: my framework is ready to host the website -- all dynamic, not static HTML pages anymore Feb 14 07:20:07 maemouser: please don't repeat your questions so often Feb 14 07:20:14 maemouser: if someone can help, they will Feb 14 07:20:15 crashanddie yeah Feb 14 07:20:25 so any idea about my question? Feb 14 07:20:38 it's not possible as far as I'm aware, at least not out-of-the-box Feb 14 07:20:50 oh Feb 14 07:20:56 Maybe someone could hack small widget that would call the phone API, but honestly I don't know if it's available Feb 14 07:21:08 is it going to be able? Feb 14 07:21:23 is it going to be avilable? Feb 14 07:21:36 as I said, I don't know if it's technically possible with the current state of the API, I haven't looked at it Feb 14 07:21:43 ok Feb 14 07:21:55 so when can we upgrade to the new maemo Feb 14 07:21:59 or the next verson Feb 14 07:22:01 what new maemo? Feb 14 07:22:14 maemo 6 of course Feb 14 07:22:29 maemouser: The N900 will most likely not be supported by Maemo 6 Feb 14 07:22:39 then? Feb 14 07:23:03 and why not Feb 14 07:23:10 this phone is still new Feb 14 07:23:14 and gees expensive Feb 14 07:23:33 and only the very next version cant be supported on this phone?! Feb 14 07:23:45 maemouser: I have work to do, not time to listen to moaners, sorry. The forums have tons of information, and so does Google. Feb 14 07:23:54 oh sweet Feb 14 07:23:56 yeah im moaning Feb 14 07:23:58 new phone Feb 14 07:24:02 fuckload of money Feb 14 07:24:09 and the newxt version has no support for n900 Feb 14 07:24:12 sweet fucking ripof Feb 14 07:24:14 maemouser, dude, Maemo 6 MIGHT be out Q1 next year. Feb 14 07:24:16 happy maemoing Feb 14 07:24:20 fuck thgat shit Feb 14 07:24:24 maemouser, nobody knows whether Maemo 6 will support the N900. Feb 14 07:24:24 this shit works cock Feb 14 07:24:31 Better Feb 14 07:24:41 You forgot a snarky reason, though. :P Feb 14 07:25:13 if he comes back, I'll kick him with reason "GeneralAntilles"... Snarky enough for you? Feb 14 07:32:30 crashanddie: "attempted trolling the Prince of Darkness" Feb 14 07:34:14 I was kinda hoping to see if maemouser would explode. Feb 14 07:35:03 He will, eventually. Feb 14 07:35:39 Heh, jaem publicly exploded right on tmo =) Feb 14 07:39:00 it's a preview phone, it always was a preview phone and it still is a preview phone. I just wish it came at a preview price. Feb 14 07:41:33 :rolleyes: Feb 14 07:42:00 GeneralAntilles: correction: there are people who know the support status, but they're under NDA Feb 14 07:42:16 Wolfie, actually, they may not even be sure at this point. :) Feb 14 07:42:44 GeneralAntilles: my inside-guy has said to know the answer, but not at the liberty to tell Feb 14 07:42:59 so i Feb 14 07:43:14 it's not even useful to say that kind of thing, just stirs up the masses Feb 14 07:43:15 i'm pretty certain that the status is already known and solid Feb 14 07:43:24 VoltageXYZ: you don't say Feb 14 07:43:44 all that it means for me is my next nokia purchase is 3+ years away instead of 1 year away. Feb 14 07:44:13 and my peer group has all moved away from Nokia etc etc. Feb 14 07:44:16 end result is Nokia loses customers. Feb 14 07:44:38 well, i wouldn't buy a new cell phone a year after my previous anyways Feb 14 07:44:49 Although, you can sum it all up by saying "Maemo is open, Nokia is not" Feb 14 07:45:27 no matter what hype. Although, I might've skipped the n900 if i'd known that in a year, there's a newer and better phone/os combination, which isn't backwards compatible Feb 14 07:45:33 The n900 could have shipped with considerably more binary modules than it has. Feb 14 07:45:43 for example Feb 14 07:45:45 and that isn't saying that i know that maemo6 would be backwards incompatible Feb 14 07:46:09 Not to mention the plausibility of mer being a real alternative in a year Feb 14 07:46:14 yeah, I should have skipped the N900 as well. It's better than OpenMoko, but still not there. Feb 14 07:46:17 what's Mer? Feb 14 07:46:17 Wolfie, not accurate. Feb 14 07:46:25 Wolfie, both will ship Qt 4.6. Feb 14 07:46:25 ~mer Feb 14 07:46:26 well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer Feb 14 07:46:37 VoltageXYZ: I am using my preview phone daily Feb 14 07:46:49 GeneralAntilles: well, there's the aspect of multitouch Feb 14 07:47:00 VoltageXYZ: I tried giving up on my preview phone and going to the real phone and it did not work. Feb 14 07:47:02 GeneralAntilles: but, as said, i have no info about the compatibility status Feb 14 07:47:22 How weird is that? Feb 14 07:47:29 so am I. But I won't be able to use it when I'm travelling due to Ovi Maps being broken. Feb 14 07:47:38 the osso-icons-default artwork is non-free, right? Feb 14 07:48:00 There are Maep, Maemo Maps, eCoach, and a few other alternatives Feb 14 07:48:25 RST38h: all of which download map tiles on the fly, which will send me broke when travelling internationally. Feb 14 07:48:37 VoltageXYZ: They all cache. Feb 14 07:48:59 So, you can precache Feb 14 07:49:01 yes, but with a working Ovi maps I can download the 1GB europe pack at home on DSL. Feb 14 07:50:44 VoltageXYZ, Are you an Openmoko refugee too? Feb 14 07:51:03 Ken-Young: yep, once the SD reader in my OpenMoko died Feb 14 07:51:13 As there is no working Ovi Maps, I do not see why this is relevant Feb 14 07:51:49 RST38h: to avoid going bankrupt, I need to "precache" maps for Germany and France Feb 14 07:53:20 Then precache maps for Germany and France. Feb 14 07:54:00 so there is a way to wget from Google Maps or OSM? Feb 14 07:54:19 Any map application will do it automatically Feb 14 07:54:35 all you need is give it a few scrolls through the map at different resolutions Feb 14 07:54:35 I'm not quite understanding you Feb 14 07:54:53 ...I need to *manually scroll* through *two countries* Feb 14 07:54:56 and yes, you can wget from Google Maps or OSM Feb 14 07:55:34 although nobody has written a proper script yet (except for Maemo Maps, where it is currently not operational AFAIK) Feb 14 07:55:59 hopefully before I go overseas someone will have got it working Feb 14 07:56:18 or Nokia will fix Ovi Maps. Feb 14 07:56:31 or I'll just go back to my N95 :/ Feb 14 07:59:20 * RST38h would not go back to N95 for maps Feb 14 07:59:38 320x240. Ridiculous, with or without offline map downloads Feb 14 08:02:53 worked fine for me for 2 years :P but I understand Feb 14 08:03:03 RST38h: Do you realise how _huge_ raster maps are? Feb 14 08:03:29 SpeedEvil: Yep Feb 14 08:03:38 RST38h: You're looking at easily hundreds of times the size of vector maps Feb 14 08:04:12 I'm guessing RST38h is on a much cheaper/faster internet connection than you or I Feb 14 08:04:33 There is also the problem that a popular app that downloads maps from OSM will kill the OSM tileservers Feb 14 08:04:51 they are currently peaking at 80M of 100M ethernet IIRC Feb 14 08:05:35 so give me a torrent... Feb 14 08:06:03 torrents handle updating poorlyunfortunately. Feb 14 08:06:31 The right solution is a nice vector map program - but none is quite there yet Feb 14 08:18:43 grr, can't seem to download sources from repository.maemo.org Feb 14 08:35:05 ~ping Feb 14 08:35:06 ~pong Feb 14 08:58:45 Morning, all Feb 14 09:00:51 Good morning, Jaffa Feb 14 09:41:35 morning Jaffa Feb 14 09:45:23 Jaffa: the portal is ready to host a new edition if you want. I'm still using an importer from the text file to database though Feb 14 09:45:39 Jaffa: working on the subeditors/editors portal at the moment Feb 14 09:58:13 hi does anybody have any problem with root use? for the root user everthing now is read-only Feb 14 09:58:55 Arnoud: thats not possible unless it is mounted read-only Feb 14 09:59:20 but i'm talking about /home/user/Mydocs Feb 14 09:59:29 let me see where it is mounted Feb 14 10:00:26 Arnoud: "mount | grep MyDocs" Feb 14 10:00:42 it says in mount rw and fmask=0133 Feb 14 10:01:09 thanks for answering the call btw :D Feb 14 10:01:34 Arnoud: I've had a similar issue where the filesystem became ro, despite being mounted as rw according to mount Feb 14 10:01:56 Arnoud: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8926 Feb 14 10:01:58 Bug 8926: rootfs stuck in readonly mode (UBIFS error (pid 398): ubifs_scan: LEB 402 scanning failed) Feb 14 10:02:12 since it's Mydocs ill do a reboot see if that works, though i hate reboots in linux :) Feb 14 10:02:18 Arnoud: guess you need to reboot Feb 14 10:02:42 Arnoud: kernel bug or the fs is actually broken Feb 14 10:02:54 ahh i see it indeed, incase of error it reboots to ro Feb 14 10:02:59 though it still says rw Feb 14 10:03:00 mmm Feb 14 10:03:33 thought at first my sshd was borked Feb 14 10:03:53 the fun part is that if you try to edit fstab to disable the "mount as ro in case of error", you cant SAVE your change, because fstab is on the ro filesystem :) Feb 14 10:04:02 LOL Feb 14 10:04:51 since when does the telephone reboot itself when you press the (I) key long ? Feb 14 10:04:53 maybe a fsck can fix it Feb 14 10:05:06 no such thing as fsck for ubifs Feb 14 10:05:12 oh Feb 14 10:06:13 I remember reading dev notes saying "due to the nature of how ubifs, no fsck tool is needed", yeah right, famous last words Feb 14 10:06:18 mount -o remount,rw might work if you dare to try... Feb 14 10:06:22 how ubifs+works Feb 14 10:06:44 where does ubifs matter here where MyDocs is vfat ? Feb 14 10:07:04 i rebooted already gonna check now if it works Feb 14 10:08:18 indeed Feb 14 10:08:34 i should have looked first hand at bugs thanks dnaumov Feb 14 10:15:26 hello! can anybody help me with hildon FileChooserDialog? Feb 14 10:19:01 oh, I solve my problem ;) Feb 14 10:19:10 :) Feb 14 10:19:54 moo Feb 14 10:20:50 some c code is very unportable Feb 14 10:21:26 panucci player has constant dropouts Feb 14 10:26:37 servers still down? the isp really doesn't have any weekend support? Feb 14 10:30:12 what error you get Feb 14 10:30:34 !mirror Feb 14 10:30:42 ~mirror Feb 14 10:30:49 and is the error related to apt-get/app manager on device, or within maemo sdk Feb 14 10:31:08 mirror mirror on the wall... Feb 14 10:32:03 i think the nogravity guys may release for n900 RST38h Feb 14 10:32:24 they fixed their stuff for iphone Feb 14 10:34:12 pupnik: =8) Feb 14 10:35:42 pupnik: It is just a shooter though, no Elite-like trading stuff? Feb 14 10:38:06 pupnik: BTW, Windoze version does not download for some reason =( Feb 14 10:41:04 no trading Feb 14 10:41:24 in the open source version Feb 14 10:42:57 crashanddie: cool, not going to have online time until this afternoon Feb 14 10:43:11 Jaffa: ok Feb 14 10:44:03 crashanddie: but assuming a) site is scalable and b) db username/pass isn't hardcoded in source code, we can try putting it online later (leave me instructions if you're in bed) Feb 14 10:44:45 * Arif yawns Feb 14 10:45:02 maybe x3 guiys will release for maemo Feb 14 10:45:05 Jaffa: just a config file in which to put username/password and db host. I have a sql schema as well Feb 14 10:45:19 whatwever terrible ubngoogleable name those idiot germans chose Feb 14 10:46:19 Oh for... This is off topic, but seems like Uiemo is from Tieto Feb 14 10:46:42 Or they have some kind of private access to it Feb 14 10:49:09 crashanddie: /me nods Feb 14 10:51:25 hi Feb 14 10:53:35 http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/500x_office-mac.jpg Feb 14 10:54:06 nice Feb 14 10:59:33 crashanddie: seen http://www.mwkn.net/2010/06/download.html and the corresponding resources/download.php in svn? Not sure quite yet where to put the link, possibly in the ToC Feb 14 10:59:45 "Under Obama, targeted killings take precedence" (C)WashPost Feb 14 10:59:53 Jaffa: didn't see that Feb 14 11:00:45 Jaffa: btw, site works dynamically as mwkn.net/2010/06/front Feb 14 11:01:03 Jaffa: if absolutely required, I can add .html at the end, but I think it's superfluous Feb 14 11:01:37 Jaffa: sections (front page, community) is dynamically generated as well, specify their order, etc Feb 14 11:02:18 Jaffa: let me finish the user implementation and I'll work on the download page, should be easy Feb 14 11:18:06 with what application can i see window shares on the nn900 because in mediaplayer i can see them but they seem to be empty. Feb 14 11:19:29 Arnoud: most likely because the background media indexer is not indexing your shares Feb 14 11:19:41 crashanddie: cool, we should also make sure we send appropriate cache control headers (e.g. expires at 6am on next Monday) Feb 14 11:20:07 Jaffa: there is no caching, is there? Feb 14 11:20:09 dnaumov: how can i make it so? just wait a long time? Feb 14 11:20:11 Jaffa: different folder structure Feb 14 11:20:56 Jaffa: one minute mwkn.net points to /2010/06/front, the next one it points to /2010/07/front Feb 14 11:21:14 Jaffa: and /2010/06/front doesn't expire Feb 14 11:21:20 crashanddie: yeah, hence the Expires of "next Monday" Feb 14 11:21:32 crashanddie: It does, becausde it has a list of issues Feb 14 11:21:43 Jaffa: good point Feb 14 11:22:12 Jaffa: it'll be good if it's on the server, I could use a critical eye Feb 14 11:25:17 Does someone know a simple tagger program for the n900? Feb 14 11:25:24 I need to tag a few mp3s Feb 14 11:25:29 CLI is okay. Feb 14 11:26:08 also, how can I search apt-cache in a less "general" way. everytime I do a search it lists hundrets of packages Feb 14 11:33:09 Shapeshifter: Mussorgsky is a GUI app Feb 14 11:36:27 Jaffa: thanks Feb 14 11:36:32 Damn Feb 14 11:36:40 Something happened to my n900.... Feb 14 11:36:43 Something horrible Feb 14 11:36:44 ;-) Feb 14 11:36:48 it's hungover? Feb 14 11:36:48 :P Feb 14 11:37:19 well, a) to slowed down Feb 14 11:37:29 hell knows why, and the repos Feb 14 11:37:38 i cant 'disable' catalogues Feb 14 11:37:42 a) is probably tracker thumbnailing going crazy Feb 14 11:39:23 Can I just disable the repos i dont want and then apt-get upgrade ? Feb 14 11:39:28 or update? Feb 14 11:44:33 'checking for updates' in the app manager is actually apt-get update, right? Feb 14 11:45:09 yes Feb 14 11:45:57 plastun: are the repos working correctly? Feb 14 11:46:56 matthew-, not sure, I can't we the Fremantle repository in my browser Feb 14 11:47:00 Service Unavailable Feb 14 11:47:01 The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later. Feb 14 11:47:43 heya all Feb 14 11:48:02 hi! Feb 14 11:48:06 morn wazd Feb 14 11:48:37 Stskeeps: installed W7 finally Feb 14 11:49:22 Dunno why, but my phone seems 'slow' Feb 14 11:50:03 w7must die :) Feb 14 11:50:28 plastun: yeayea :) Feb 14 11:50:40 yea :) Feb 14 11:51:40 wazd, I almost finished working on beta10! Feb 14 11:51:44 we really need to get tsocks patched so it doesnt leak dns Feb 14 11:51:53 tags binding will be available Feb 14 11:51:54 or to get torsocks working, Feb 14 11:52:09 was anyone able to get it working ? Feb 14 11:52:18 plastun: awesome Feb 14 11:52:23 yea Feb 14 11:55:04 what are the odds, md5 generated: abcabcabc9b1d6e0f620060eb3541 Feb 14 11:57:36 crashanddie: about the same odds as for any other md5 ;-) Feb 14 11:58:03 andres: fair point Feb 14 11:58:33 (which is not exactly true because of some structural weaknesses, but ...) Feb 14 11:59:19 I just absolutely hate it when you choose a library because some guy was actually pretty smart when he thought of it Feb 14 11:59:26 sadly, his implementation is less than ideal... Feb 14 11:59:44 Let me demonstrate Feb 14 12:02:41 http://slexy.org/view/s2gYMcluCK <- original library Feb 14 12:03:00 http://slexy.org/view/s218TA81yo <- my "version" Feb 14 12:05:01 he wants to save on a 3 queries per user registration ;? Feb 14 12:06:57 morning :o Feb 14 12:08:22 goodmorning Arif Feb 14 12:08:58 what's up *yawn* Feb 14 12:23:00 hey Feb 14 12:53:25 hey my n900 has magic self-charging Feb 14 12:54:02 battery eye shows an increase in charge while it laied on the table, not connected to charger Feb 14 12:55:22 finally, wireless charging Feb 14 12:56:03 cool Feb 14 12:58:09 now i resist to plug it into the charger .. who knows what dimension that will open and what will creep out of it Feb 14 12:58:40 cehteh: I bet you missed SCP-324 yesterday Feb 14 12:58:51 SCP-what? Feb 14 12:59:12 oh, wait, wrong one. a moment Feb 14 12:59:53 cehteh: remember to have your towel nearby Feb 14 13:00:00 yep Feb 14 13:00:11 well looks like its decreasing now :/ Feb 14 13:01:25 cehteh: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-229 Feb 14 13:04:26 hi Feb 14 13:04:58 i have a question to pymaemo. I use the touchselector for a list, how can i remove all items in one column? Feb 14 13:05:24 when i use remove_column, how can i add a new column? Feb 14 13:12:37 ah i have found a solution Feb 14 13:12:46 i create a new empty gtk.treeview Feb 14 13:12:56 Ahhha! Picasa sharing plugin is finally in extras! Feb 14 13:13:04 * RST38h cackles Feb 14 13:13:04 and set it as new model => set_model(0, emptytreeview) Feb 14 13:13:51 * RST38h will now be able to send his shitty cellphone photos straight to picasa Feb 14 13:24:59 is the maemo.org repository down? Feb 14 13:25:38 yape Feb 14 13:25:47 nobody works in weekend Feb 14 13:25:49 ;) Feb 14 13:25:52 great Feb 14 13:27:07 Vanadis: it jumps up and down Feb 14 13:28:00 kthx Feb 14 13:28:22 since yesterday i want to update ovi new update Feb 14 13:28:26 and nothing Feb 14 13:40:09 Jaffa: download page finished Feb 14 13:41:41 fwiw the maemo news thing is nice Feb 14 13:41:55 timeless_mbp: we're putting it on steroids Feb 14 13:41:57 i'll get around to buzzing it once i resolve some my buzz credentials Feb 14 13:42:23 timeless_mbp: at the moment the compilation of an edition is pretty much manual Feb 14 13:42:43 timeless_mbp: I've just finished the backend engine for the display, working on the subeditors and editors portal Feb 14 13:48:11 any clues on when the next nokia update will arrive? Feb 14 13:48:36 your guess is just as good as ours Feb 14 13:48:37 :P Feb 14 13:48:47 Milo-: I overheard a russian spy thinking it may have been on Valentine's to show us some love, but well, that was just a hoax, as it turns out Feb 14 13:48:56 :P Feb 14 13:49:10 i heard next patch will be doing silently so no one notices even Feb 14 13:49:17 crashanddie: cool; I've linked it in as "Download issue" under the list of sections and included it at the end of the email announcement and in the "In this issue" for the tmo announcement Feb 14 13:49:57 Jaffa: will you be available tomorrow to talk/test things? Feb 14 13:50:02 crashanddie: Yup Feb 14 13:50:12 Ok, irreco goes into the trashbin. Feb 14 13:50:30 Jaffa: ok, good. I'll be online from 6PM my time, so roughly 8AM your time Feb 14 13:50:47 crashanddie: Cool, I'll be at work from about 08:45 Feb 14 13:51:16 Jaffa: any chance I get credentials on the webserver or those are confidential? Feb 14 13:51:41 crashanddie: Depends what you want to do ;-) Feb 14 13:51:42 Jaffa: I don't mind paying for them, seeing you're renting bits of the server out :P Feb 14 13:52:00 crashanddie: Account is fine Feb 14 14:02:02 http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/theming-for-dummies/ what the fuck is that I wonder Feb 14 14:03:02 lol Feb 14 14:04:45 developer/loser LOL Feb 14 14:05:12 wazd: the fuck. Feb 14 14:05:42 RST38h: what fuck exactly? :D Feb 14 14:06:02 wazd: Another resourceful character who recently discovered copypasting Feb 14 14:06:24 hello! Feb 14 14:07:15 wazd: Namely, some Simon Challis from Laindon, UK Feb 14 14:07:19 wow wazd, you became an author! Feb 14 14:07:39 how can force a terminal to open in a script ? Feb 14 14:07:43 wazd: Unfortunately, the database does not reveal his mommy's phone, so you will not be able to call her Feb 14 14:07:51 Tronx: -e Feb 14 14:07:53 RST38h: damn :( Feb 14 14:08:20 wazd: But you can call the sucker himself, it is (089) 850-5050 (UK number) Feb 14 14:08:42 RST38h : what does that mean? -e ? Feb 14 14:08:43 wazd: Or, if you like paper trails, damatrix@2ya.co.uk Feb 14 14:08:54 Tronx: If you have to ask, you do not need to know. Feb 14 14:08:55 part of what tool/command is that? Feb 14 14:10:23 RST38h : you are expecting me to go "-e" ? Feb 14 14:10:27 google* Feb 14 14:10:43 wazd: the guy appears to be some kind of a spammer advertising poket sites Feb 14 14:11:07 wazd: http://www.damatrix.co.uk/ Feb 14 14:11:20 RST38h: you've quit Intel and now working in CIA? :D Feb 14 14:11:31 wazd: My guess is that he generates fake "news sites" to generate hits to the above site Feb 14 14:11:50 wazd: google for definitions of "intel" =) Feb 14 14:12:09 yeayea ;) Feb 14 14:12:46 the sites mentioned just copy stuff from original sites (sometimes on the fly) and try to attract ppl to visith them to get more hits Feb 14 14:12:50 more hits = more money Feb 14 14:13:03 its pain, like spamming and seems to continuoysly growing too Feb 14 14:13:10 i call them empty vessel sites Feb 14 14:13:12 :-P Feb 14 14:13:16 You can probably sent slimy little Simon's provider a DMCA request Feb 14 14:13:24 That would be cool Feb 14 14:13:30 you can try yeah. Feb 14 14:13:58 * RST38h will got stock up on food, before he has to resort to eating the parrot. Feb 14 14:14:06 s/got/go/ Feb 14 14:15:34 RST38h :gnome-terminal -e ? hows that going to work on maemo ? Feb 14 14:21:53 wazd, how did you find you had written a book? Feb 14 14:22:44 lcuk: received $20k with a note :D Feb 14 14:22:56 thats nice then! lol Feb 14 14:24:25 guys, how do i start a new terminal from a script on this n900 ? Feb 14 14:24:45 the -e crap of RST38h doesnt seem to work :P Feb 14 14:25:46 "sh -e" appears to start a new session, but not sure beyond that, RST38h usually has incredible knowledge.. Feb 14 14:26:43 damn you RST38h , couldnt you have just said sh -e ? Feb 14 14:26:47 rootfs 232868 172656 55928 76% / :D Feb 14 14:27:38 MohammadAG, cool Feb 14 14:28:00 are you brave enough to try a prototype optification thing to save moar space? Feb 14 14:29:30 lcuk, I'm brave enough to do anything on linux :p Feb 14 14:29:54 carefully optified some files/folders in /usr and in /usr/share Feb 14 14:29:55 is there a standard way to optify packages? Feb 14 14:29:55 braveness and stupidity are best friends ive heard Feb 14 14:29:59 reflashing doesnt blow out your /opt right? Feb 14 14:29:59 MohammadAG, cool, then have a read of this and see if it suits http://gitorious.org/+maemo-af-developers/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime Feb 14 14:30:19 ifreq, you've heard wrong :p Feb 14 14:30:27 frals, no it doesnt but im guessing at some point that will change Feb 14 14:30:58 * lcuk asks ifreq to hold his beer Feb 14 14:31:01 watch this! Feb 14 14:31:06 :D Feb 14 14:31:38 * ifreq drinks lcuks beer happily.. was it .. hold or drink this he wonders. Feb 14 14:32:03 * MohammadAG makes a backup, just in case :) Feb 14 14:32:08 heh Feb 14 14:32:25 crashanddie: nice comment in chip+pin /. article Feb 14 14:32:29 MohammadAG, it takes the list of folders here: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-boottime.conf Feb 14 14:32:36 and optifies them wholesale Feb 14 14:33:09 it doesnt actually run on boot yet, its a test, ive run it on my machine and gotten very good results Feb 14 14:33:37 timeless_mbp: lol, which comment? I've put 2 or 3 in those Feb 14 14:33:38 but it needs full confirmation Feb 14 14:33:52 um, cost to upgrade the us market Feb 14 14:35:46 lcuk, I already have those optified Feb 14 14:36:01 most people dont Feb 14 14:36:22 true Feb 14 14:36:43 i'll run the script though Feb 14 14:36:50 This is really awesome... streaming internet radio, right to the car stereo using the fm transmitter, and everything actually works Feb 14 14:37:57 yep Feb 14 14:38:11 damn .. i played with polipo yesterday, uninstalled/purged it now and after a reboot networking is still broken Feb 14 14:38:20 except the signal to noise from the 50nw signal Feb 14 14:38:28 rss and maep doesnt seem to get connection to the net Feb 14 14:38:58 MohammadAG, if you can expand the list (theres many more, but scipt would need adjusting) then it would be cool Feb 14 14:39:31 MohammadAG, how did you optify them yourself, just manually? Feb 14 14:39:49 mv & ln -s Feb 14 14:39:59 so yeah, manually Feb 14 14:40:26 cool, this script checks if the specified folder is already a link elsewhere Feb 14 14:40:34 it tries not to make the recursive thing Feb 14 14:40:37 So there are quite a few alternative boot screens for the n900, but how about text boot? Can't find a guide how to disable a splash. Feb 14 14:41:06 just comment the video # ? Feb 14 14:41:16 timeless_mbp: ah, yes Feb 14 14:41:27 hmm ah text boot Feb 14 14:41:33 i keep wanting to put entire star wars trilogy as bootvideo Feb 14 14:41:49 really up the epic stakes lol Feb 14 14:41:55 Shapeshifter: you can delete the video entry Feb 14 14:42:07 but the thing is that there's no text console in the kernel Feb 14 14:42:12 so you can't out of the box do what you're thinking of Feb 14 14:42:14 ah Feb 14 14:42:19 you need a replacement kernel Feb 14 14:42:22 meh. Feb 14 14:42:25 there's one of those for this purpose too Feb 14 14:42:31 but imo it's generally a waste of time Feb 14 14:42:35 yep Feb 14 14:42:49 i'm quite happy w/ my maemo.org splash package Feb 14 14:42:54 if you didnt use a replacement kernel, could you use the very early entrypoint Stskeeps put in ,ad ndo an insmod for the text stuff Feb 14 14:42:55 ? Feb 14 14:42:56 you're welcome to install it Feb 14 14:43:08 lcuk: dunno Feb 14 14:43:55 * lcuk thinks that tiny boottime patch is extremely cool Feb 14 14:44:08 lcuk, fatal: index-pack failed Feb 14 14:44:40 you broke git? Feb 14 14:44:55 lol just installed it Feb 14 14:45:04 git: 'index-pack' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. Feb 14 14:46:43 lcuk, http://pastebin.com/d7e58cbca Feb 14 14:49:34 lcuk : any idea how to start a new terminal in a new window ? Feb 14 14:49:45 nothing seems to work today :( Feb 14 14:49:57 MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/m4b32f648 Feb 14 14:50:30 lcuk : im starting the script using some command execute widget sh -e doesnt open a new terminal Feb 14 14:50:31 Tronx, im not sure, but i think at some point, pygtkeditor used to do it when you clicked run Feb 14 14:50:53 Tronx, but opening console windows isnt something that happens often Feb 14 14:51:15 * lcuk just runs things direct Feb 14 14:51:59 like opening terminal every time you want to run a script ? Feb 14 14:52:59 that just takes too much time Feb 14 14:55:18 Tronx, what are you trying to do, make icons to run your common scripts, or from somewhere within your app, when you click an action it opens a new console to perform action? Feb 14 14:55:26 lcuk, did you run it on the device? Feb 14 14:55:45 MohammadAG, i did git from my scratchbox, hold on Feb 14 14:55:49 it might behave different from the sdk Feb 14 14:57:16 lcuk : from within a script i want to open another terminal and run a command because the command execute widget cant handle the long output of the command Feb 14 14:57:45 lcuk : and is it possible to make icons to run my scripts ? Feb 14 14:58:13 im guessing then it would be possible to create shortcuts for them on the desktop Feb 14 14:58:15 .desktop files Feb 14 14:58:56 * MohammadAG wants to break his creaking qwerty assy into pieces Feb 14 14:59:00 For an example of a script which opens a terminal and runs something, have a look at /usr/bin/vim.launch in the vim package Feb 14 14:59:15 timeless_mbp: you don't happen to know anything about legality of http://code.google.com/p/n900-extra-translations/source/browse/#svn/trunk/po/en_US/LC_MESSAGES%3Fstate%3Dclosed ? i'm kinda wondering where they got the original nokia strings from :P Feb 14 14:59:20 (not your en_US strings) Feb 14 14:59:55 I found near optimal settings for streaming my TV card to the N900 \o/ Feb 14 15:00:10 Stskeeps: so we got approval to open the strings last week or so Feb 14 15:00:14 at least that's when i got notice Feb 14 15:00:16 MohammadAG : what are those ? where are those? Feb 14 15:00:20 timeless_mbp: oh, cool Feb 14 15:00:23 however that team got an internal leak Feb 14 15:00:30 its not allowing me to add icons to the desktop after a restart Feb 14 15:00:34 and what the application that handles the desktop menu ? Feb 14 15:00:36 it's kinda sad that the N95 8GB plays it better than the N900 though :( Feb 14 15:00:42 and everything on the desktop disappered Feb 14 15:00:51 but those don't look like they're the originals Feb 14 15:00:58 they don't seem to have the comments Feb 14 15:01:00 timeless_mbp: ah, so i wouldn't touch them before there's a released thing Feb 14 15:01:02 they look like msgunfmt Feb 14 15:01:06 ah Feb 14 15:01:10 yeah Feb 14 15:01:14 those are msgunfmt outputs Feb 14 15:01:15 anyone know if MPlayer could support hardware acceleration in the future? Feb 14 15:01:15 Tronx, all menu icons are .desktop files, they're in /usr/share/applications/hildon/noor.desktop Feb 14 15:01:31 Stskeeps: you can recognize our versions, they have spelling errors and other things in # lines Feb 14 15:01:41 :) Feb 14 15:01:42 Arif, mplayer will support playing movies from the dishwasher soon Feb 14 15:01:43 /usr/share/applications/hildon/* Feb 14 15:01:51 MohammadAG : the process that handles those -- what is it called ? Feb 14 15:01:55 sorry, used noor.desktop as an example cause i copied it there Feb 14 15:02:03 hildon-desktop afaik Feb 14 15:02:08 lcuk: The n900 isn't waterproof. Put it in a baggie before playing movies in the dishwasher. Feb 14 15:02:10 its not letting me add icons even after a reboot Feb 14 15:02:12 :( Feb 14 15:02:16 ok Feb 14 15:02:16 lcuk, the dishwasher doesn't have loonix! Feb 14 15:02:19 * Tronx goes to kill it Feb 14 15:02:24 Tronx, killall Feb 14 15:02:24 SpeedEvil, i meant the dishwaher itself would become a coprocessor Feb 14 15:02:25 lol Feb 14 15:02:33 lol Feb 14 15:02:42 Stskeeps: what they did is what any translator would do Feb 14 15:02:45 heh Feb 14 15:02:48 Tronx, though it should update them automatically when a file is copied in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Feb 14 15:02:55 what i've been told is that it wouldn't fly in .eu Feb 14 15:03:00 lcuk: You mean you don't have a sudswoofer hooked up to your system? Feb 14 15:03:01 because .eu has incredibly stupid laws Feb 14 15:03:09 arif, plenty of people have made mplayer do amazing things Feb 14 15:03:10 timeless_mbp: reverse engineer? :P Feb 14 15:03:19 your legistlators are much worse than the .us equivalents Feb 14 15:03:23 lcuk, too bad I don't know how :p Feb 14 15:03:24 Stskeeps: yeah Feb 14 15:03:26 so the answer to your question is, most likely Feb 14 15:03:37 Stskeeps: i'm told there's something called a 'database law' Feb 14 15:03:38 good! Feb 14 15:03:42 I'll just wait then Feb 14 15:03:44 timeless_mbp: ah, yes, that one Feb 14 15:03:48 and it sounds like it roughly speaking protects everything forever Feb 14 15:04:08 or someone should make the media player support streaming TS muxed streams Feb 14 15:04:11 <3 Feb 14 15:04:29 timeless_mbp: database right. It is basically 'copyright for databases'. Feb 14 15:04:42 SpeedEvil: that's not a useful description Feb 14 15:04:48 it's basically 'we own everything forever' Feb 14 15:04:53 how do Feb 14 15:04:57 timeless_mbp: either way, if there's indications to relicense strings, that'll be good :) Feb 14 15:04:58 'as long as we change one cell in it every 20 years' Feb 14 15:05:00 :/ Feb 14 15:05:13 in a .sh file, how do i check if a process is running or not? Feb 14 15:05:14 timeless: yes, that is a problem. Feb 14 15:05:23 SpeedEvil: just a tiny problem? Feb 14 15:05:26 timeless_mbp: it will probably alone bring maemo's OSS percentage up 10 or so :P Feb 14 15:05:31 MohammadAG: pidof? Feb 14 15:05:42 * SpeedEvil is in the middle of writing a 10 page submission to government on the problem. Feb 14 15:06:02 http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/corporate/ordnancesurveyconsultation Feb 14 15:06:14 Give us our maps! - plz. Feb 14 15:06:27 (anyone in the UK - please submit) Feb 14 15:07:02 The current situation is a nonsense - you can't legally publish plans of your house for example - as the house plots are derived from Ordnance survey data. Feb 14 15:07:09 Or a map of rights of way Feb 14 15:07:41 Or a list of public toilets. Feb 14 15:08:02 heh, there was a bbc reporter stood outside toilets a couple of weeks ago Feb 14 15:08:12 he looked rly shifty on his report Feb 14 15:08:27 Looking for a bit of George Michael? Feb 14 15:08:39 MohammadAG : so if i just create one of those .desktop file -- an icon should show up on the desktop ? Feb 14 15:09:17 well no, you have to add it using the gears icon Feb 14 15:09:28 it should show up in the menu though Feb 14 15:09:48 is there any application available that does get you to your desktop with one keypress? i find it cumbersome that i have to press 2 times to get to the desktop like in shortcutd or camkeyd. Feb 14 15:10:00 great Feb 14 15:11:37 Arnoud, hold the dashboard button Feb 14 15:11:56 though it's not a fast way and I find 2 clicks faster Feb 14 15:13:19 me too but i woul like to have a physical button because, i'm not sure if ppl here have the same thing, but when i want an application fast i still go to the menu even though i have it on my desktop Feb 14 15:13:28 hmm Feb 14 15:15:03 I found a radio stream that barely plays on the N900 Feb 14 15:15:06 :D Feb 14 15:15:20 Arnoud: what you really want is for the button to popup the app launcher? Feb 14 15:15:29 I guess it doesn't like WMA streams... Feb 14 15:15:42 SpeedEvil: no just the desktop Feb 14 15:16:14 just like a WINKEY-D in windows or if you have set it in kde Feb 14 15:16:54 MohammadAG : how about the icons :D ? Feb 14 15:17:09 im seeing stuff like icon=xchat Feb 14 15:17:39 can i set it to some png file located somewhere? Feb 14 15:17:47 yeah Feb 14 15:18:10 SpeedEvil: That sound like UK law. Have never heard of it <-- Swede Feb 14 15:18:20 /usr/share/pixmaps Feb 14 15:18:34 sandman: database right? not uk - eu Feb 14 15:19:18 Tronx, the icons are located there Feb 14 15:19:25 yes thx Feb 14 15:19:29 one last thing! Feb 14 15:19:38 how the hell do i copy/paste in terminal Feb 14 15:19:50 Tronx: select Feb 14 15:19:59 Tronx: then from the top menu - copy Feb 14 15:20:16 SPeedEvil: Need to look it up.. never heard of it. lol Feb 14 15:22:42 is there some way to make ash save its history when closed by clicking the X instead of typing exit? Feb 14 15:23:04 mh. well I guess I could set it to always save the history after every command execution Feb 14 15:23:52 Is there an ash manual anywhere? Feb 14 15:24:20 man ash? Feb 14 15:24:24 And anyone suggesting UTSL will be hit over the head with a large plank of fossilised wood. Feb 14 15:24:41 I mean the busybox shell Feb 14 15:24:46 which isn't strictly ash Feb 14 15:24:52 (its on the net). But I was guessing that the X of the hildon interface somewhat "kills" the term instead of sending sigterm Feb 14 15:25:20 I wonder if trap may be of use Feb 14 15:25:32 busybox shell is msh with options disabled Feb 14 15:25:39 at least, it was in maemo 4 Feb 14 15:27:16 err Feb 14 15:27:18 sh: ./script.sh: Permission denied Feb 14 15:27:35 already chmod'd the file Feb 14 15:27:47 MohammadAG: the partition is mounted noexec ? Feb 14 15:28:00 ;> Feb 14 15:28:04 MohammadAG: you can run it with "sh script.sh" Feb 14 15:28:07 yeah, that mount system in maemo is horrid Feb 14 15:28:18 SpeedEvil: Ahh.. now i know what you mean. Here it's calld FRA. Yeah, that is true. But i did not know it was like that. And everyone are braking it anyway. Using VPN's and stuff. Feb 14 15:28:19 mydocs, figures Feb 14 15:28:23 noexec is a pointless option anyway due to above Feb 14 15:28:24 thanks valdyn Feb 14 15:28:34 and even normal executables (non-static) can be started Feb 14 15:28:43 with /lib/ld-linux.so or equivalent Feb 14 15:29:02 AstralStorm: as root Feb 14 15:29:15 no, as user too Feb 14 15:29:46 paroneayea: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html btw Feb 14 15:29:49 oh btw Feb 14 15:30:06 I've a question: does anyone here have a build of lilyterm for maemo4 and/or mer? Feb 14 15:30:55 (one of the best small terminals, better than that osso-xterm crud, with exception of the buttons for touchscreen use) Feb 14 15:31:50 * lcuk waves @ AstralStorm Feb 14 15:34:20 Stskeeps: so Feb 14 15:34:33 can you possibly highlight that the TPO crud is third party crud Feb 14 15:34:45 at least the -installer ones Feb 14 15:35:16 what's the dbus for the yellow bar that pops down then disappears Feb 14 15:35:25 couldn't find it in the wiki Feb 14 15:35:38 like the Bluetooth set on one Feb 14 15:35:54 timeless_mbp: i just use raw material but the idea is that it is what a PR1.1 image is made up of :P Feb 14 15:36:00 Stskeeps: and also, you need to do something about framework/mmf-libraries there's a 10% w/ a white background Feb 14 15:36:23 that row should have some gradient for the green to highlight it isn't pure Feb 14 15:36:42 MohammadAG, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"testing notification" Feb 14 15:36:44 try that Feb 14 15:36:45 right, - i'll fix some of the ugly CSS in next version Feb 14 15:37:08 Stskeeps: and for 51-1 you should dock everyone for using unpublished l10n files :) Feb 14 15:37:11 lcuk, thanks! Feb 14 15:37:14 just so .next looks better Feb 14 15:37:40 timeless_mbp: look at Localisation/l10n Feb 14 15:37:49 sorry, already closed :) Feb 14 15:37:55 people, why gcc presents in repository at Feb 14 15:37:56 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gcc-3.4/ Feb 14 15:38:11 but it is not installable with apt? Feb 14 15:38:13 timeless_mbp: either way, there's a large list of packages that are :P Feb 14 15:38:52 during apt-get update Feb 14 15:38:59 this repository is ignored: Feb 14 15:39:04 Ign http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2 Release.gpg Feb 14 15:39:05 Ign http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2/free Translation-en_US Feb 14 15:39:05 Ign http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2/non-free Translation-en_US Feb 14 15:39:31 of course, i can install gcc by downloading packages manually Feb 14 15:39:40 norayr: none of these 3 lines is indicating that the repo is being ignored Feb 14 15:39:40 and resolving deps myself Feb 14 15:39:45 norayr: please don't flood the channel Feb 14 15:39:52 sorry Feb 14 15:40:09 These lines is a fragment of output of apt-get update Feb 14 15:40:43 valdyn: Ign? Feb 14 15:40:57 And i guess "Ign" stands for ignored Feb 14 15:41:02 because it could also be "Hit" Feb 14 15:41:05 norayr: you guess correctly Feb 14 15:41:14 ign usually means that the contents/repository have been superseded Feb 14 15:41:36 norayr: the Packages file is all that matters Feb 14 15:41:39 so apt-get doesn't bother with checking the contents Feb 14 15:41:40 actually, maemo 4 seems to be dead Feb 14 15:41:41 it may be because actual maemo4.1.2 repo is diablo Feb 14 15:41:51 or diablo is a symlink which points to maemo4.1.2 Feb 14 15:42:33 I can see necessary files by browsing repository folders via http Feb 14 15:42:43 i am able to download them Feb 14 15:42:48 and install with dpkg -i Feb 14 15:43:02 what i wonder is why i cannot get it work with apt-get? Feb 14 15:43:49 norayr: use apt-cache policy, show us the whole output, your fragments just make it unnecessarily hard Feb 14 15:44:16 ok, i'll do it right now, thanks Feb 14 15:44:27 may be this link will be helpful: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gcc-3.4/ Feb 14 15:44:53 oh, that's repository.maemo.org repo diablo/free Feb 14 15:45:18 norayr: thats just the pool. Not really useful unless you have apt-get failing to find a file Feb 14 15:47:18 http://pastebin.org/91594 Feb 14 15:47:33 this is the output of apt-cache policy Feb 14 15:47:48 and i have added repository maemo4.1.2 to the sources.list Feb 14 15:48:04 it gets scanned during apt-get update (and successfully ignored) Feb 14 15:48:04 :) Feb 14 15:48:14 OK, I'm out for the night, almost 2Am Feb 14 15:48:16 take care people Feb 14 15:48:23 good night Feb 14 15:48:23 :) Feb 14 15:49:02 valdyn: yes, i have added the entire repository to the sources.list Feb 14 15:49:19 buuut, gcc toolchain is still not installable Feb 14 15:49:32 i meant to show that it exists in the pool Feb 14 15:49:35 norayr: what "entire repository" ? Feb 14 15:49:45 norayr: somehow its not a repository at all? Feb 14 15:49:49 which contains the pool you mentioned Feb 14 15:50:08 it is a repository. Feb 14 15:50:15 norayr: the pool is only .deb files, its not the repository Feb 14 15:50:24 there is a package index Feb 14 15:50:34 just it gets ignored Feb 14 15:50:43 i guess because i already have another line Feb 14 15:50:44 norayr: but this is not useful anyway, i already asked what info i need Feb 14 15:50:58 with "diablo" instead of "maemo4.1.2" in sources.list Feb 14 15:51:21 this is what you have asked for Feb 14 15:51:21 http://pastebin.org/91594 Feb 14 15:51:27 i already pasted it before :) Feb 14 15:52:27 norayr: i dont see your repo there Feb 14 15:52:35 norayr: "apt-get update" Feb 14 15:52:53 norayr: paste paste output of that command, paste sources.list Feb 14 15:53:00 minute Feb 14 15:54:19 this is it Feb 14 15:54:21 http://pastebin.org/91600 Feb 14 15:55:14 last line in sources.list is added by me manually Feb 14 15:55:23 norayr: Err http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2/free Packages  Feb 14 15:55:30 yes Feb 14 15:55:30 norayr: theres no Packages file Feb 14 15:55:51 so, repo is not generated with dpkg-scanpackages Feb 14 15:55:53 i guess Feb 14 15:55:55 norayr: so this is not a proper repo. Feb 14 15:56:10 norayr: its not a repo. Feb 14 15:56:37 and i have two choices: Feb 14 15:56:38 1) download whole pool and create a local repo by running dpkg-scanpackages myself, or Feb 14 15:56:38 2) just download files manually Feb 14 15:56:47 thank you Feb 14 15:57:24 norayr: there could be a proper repo, i wouldnt know Feb 14 15:57:53 anyway, i'm off. take care bru Feb 14 15:57:59 ok, then ... Feb 14 15:58:06 shite, wrong channel Feb 14 15:58:11 i guess, this http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gcc-3.4/ is a part of proper repo Feb 14 15:58:35 which is added in my sources.list by hildon application manager Feb 14 15:58:44 and i guess i was installing some packages from there Feb 14 15:59:19 norayr: a "repo" is a Packages file at a certain place, youre talking about deb files, thats not to be idientified whith what apt-get considers a repository Feb 14 15:59:42 i know... Feb 14 16:00:02 i will test whether it is a repo or not right now Feb 14 16:00:10 by commenting out all other lines in sources.list Feb 14 16:00:14 norayr: the pool may contain any number of files not being referenced by any Packages file Feb 14 16:00:48 gcc is available in the maemo tools and/or the maemo sdk repositories Feb 14 16:00:59 easiest if you have space is just add those repos and Feb 14 16:01:04 apt get install build-essential Feb 14 16:01:22 * wazd_ 's cooking pancakes Feb 14 16:01:31 mmmm wazd Feb 14 16:01:37 it works! Feb 14 16:01:42 it is a repo Feb 14 16:01:44 let me show: Feb 14 16:02:18 http://pastebin.org/91601 Feb 14 16:02:54 valdyn: ok Feb 14 16:02:58 lcuk: thank you Feb 14 16:03:13 lcuk: do you have any idea how that sources.list lines look like Feb 14 16:03:32 i swear i was searching for such a repo whole day Feb 14 16:03:43 deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free Feb 14 16:03:44 deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free Feb 14 16:03:56 Some bastard have stolen my blender blades :( Feb 14 16:04:01 norayr: you have only activated the extras, i dont see that being your intention earlier, that always worked Feb 14 16:04:28 norayr, watch your available space on device tho Feb 14 16:05:07 valdyn: didn't catche the sense of your words. i have commented other lines in order to prove that repo working. though you suggested an idea that not all the packages in that repo is scanned and available in the package index Feb 14 16:05:15 build -essential ages ago used to need this: Feb 14 16:05:17 Need to get 24.7MB of archives. Feb 14 16:05:17 After this operation, 73.2MB of additional disk space will be used. Feb 14 16:05:17 Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Feb 14 16:05:31 lcuk: yep. does that repos ok for diablo? Feb 14 16:06:00 no, afaik you can just alter the fremantle bit to say diablo with same effect Feb 14 16:06:09 i used to compile often on the n810 Feb 14 16:06:50 lcuk: besides, what if i mount /usr from a different disk. like mount -o bind /media/mmc2/usr /usr Feb 14 16:06:58 the only things i couldnt get working happily were autotools (for ./configure scripts) and dpkg_buildpackage, but all my ode ran with make files and worked happily Feb 14 16:07:05 lcuk: no... i meant if i mount it from fstab Feb 14 16:07:14 norayr, dontask me about space and binding i havent the foggiest Feb 14 16:07:18 lol http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7008/vpitoy.jpg Feb 14 16:07:25 i used to just start from a clean diablo and put the stuff i needed Feb 14 16:08:05 hurrah! bash and gnu for user and root Feb 14 16:08:06 ok, i was wondering whether maemo will boot with a /usr on a separate partition Feb 14 16:08:08 i will try Feb 14 16:08:29 norayr, boot from sd Feb 14 16:08:34 is the common way people get extra space Feb 14 16:08:50 and it also means they have a normal baseline bootable working maemo if your SD card goes titsup Feb 14 16:09:18 lol MohammadAG Feb 14 16:11:22 lcuk: Perfect, i am installing gcc currently Feb 14 16:11:27 thank you very much Feb 14 16:11:38 more than welcome, good luck Feb 14 16:14:12 :) Feb 14 16:19:35 lcuk: booting from SD have to be implemented as described here? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19639 Feb 14 16:21:36 oh, not for use on 43-7 or above... Feb 14 16:23:34 norayr, http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card outlines the steps a little cleaner i think, but its still something to only undertake if you are comfortable Feb 14 16:23:59 i never really managed it cos i was happy in default diabloe and managed to have enough space for what i needed Feb 14 16:24:11 tho i did store my code on an ext formatted sd card Feb 14 16:24:15 so it had execute bits Feb 14 16:25:27 (-11h, mdbus) I just learnt there's mdbus2 in extras-devel Feb 14 16:25:46 What do you hope it will do for you? Feb 14 16:25:59 Does it automatically order the perfect cheeseburger? Feb 14 16:26:16 lcuk: thank you Feb 14 16:26:30 SpeedEvil: me?? Feb 14 16:27:07 * SpeedEvil was wondering what mdbus2 did. Feb 14 16:27:48 SpeedEvil: use dbus introspection to do even tab completion for pathnames in interactive mode Feb 14 16:28:18 Interesting. Feb 14 16:29:27 you know... having a diskless frontend shutdown halfway through a dist-upgrade is a PITA... especially when it's upgrading portmap at the time... Feb 14 16:29:56 wow lbt that sux Feb 14 16:30:13 * lbt looks daggers at mrs lbt... Feb 14 16:30:30 o_O Feb 14 16:30:50 * lbt looks for a "do not turn this machine off" screensaver Feb 14 16:30:52 me n tracy had a fun time getting to cinema last niht Feb 14 16:30:56 lbt: chroot the frontend? Feb 14 16:30:56 night Feb 14 16:30:57 :P Feb 14 16:31:15 postit note Feb 14 16:31:21 (diskless usually means there's a rootfs somewhere) Feb 14 16:31:23 Stskeeps: am getting there... but then it starts trying to run portmap on the nfs server.... Feb 14 16:31:25 eek Feb 14 16:31:30 chrooted portmap Feb 14 16:31:35 * lbt sobs Feb 14 16:31:41 lbt: ah, use the tricks we use in mer for temporarily disabling invoke-rc.d and such Feb 14 16:31:54 tbh I'm mostly there now Feb 14 16:32:01 which is why I'm in irc.... Feb 14 16:32:04 ah Feb 14 16:32:05 stress relief :D Feb 14 16:32:31 * SpeedEvil relieves lbts stress. Feb 14 16:32:36 ah yes, the old debianutils/passwd conflict.... Feb 14 16:32:43 * lbt edges away from SpeedEvil.... Feb 14 16:32:47 * SpeedEvil puts down the oxy-acetylene torch and waits for lbt to cool from a dull red. Feb 14 16:33:00 ouch Feb 14 16:33:07 no, I still burn Feb 14 16:33:26 It's OK - annealing is a well-mnown method of stress reduction. Feb 14 16:33:44 does that mean I need a cold shower? Feb 14 16:39:39 * MohammadAG thinks his graphics card's busted Feb 14 16:41:53 Hi ! Feb 14 16:42:08 Howdy Khertan Feb 14 16:43:07 i ve tryed to play a bit with gstreamer to do a live voice modification Feb 14 16:43:11 but the Feb 14 16:43:50 problem is that the mic is too near to the speaker Feb 14 16:44:02 so i got a nice high sound Feb 14 16:44:17 larsen effect Feb 14 16:44:20 because ytou are playing back what you are recording Feb 14 16:44:47 is there a way to avoid that ? Feb 14 16:44:59 an idea ? Feb 14 16:44:59 yep clearly lcuk Feb 14 16:45:14 i know that it can be done as there is an application for that on iphone Feb 14 16:45:27 you could see if you could use the mic on the headphones whilst still outputingfrom the speakers? Feb 14 16:45:41 how much delay does iphone have Feb 14 16:45:54 cos you could buffer until silence then playback the words Feb 14 16:46:10 "hello khertan" "HELLO KHERTAN" Feb 14 16:46:14 i didnt notice any delay Feb 14 16:46:21 ? Feb 14 16:46:54 it s live but the iphone didn t have stereo speaker Feb 14 16:46:59 :) Feb 14 16:47:05 Khertan, im not sure if the default gstreamer input gives you just the sound from the total soundboard Feb 14 16:47:12 or if it just gives you the mic in Feb 14 16:47:31 ah ... maybe that Feb 14 16:47:43 your feedback might be coming from another source than the speaker itself and hence why its more noticable Feb 14 16:47:52 because yep i use pulsesrc so not only the mic Feb 14 16:48:16 seems to be the reason Feb 14 16:48:25 thx for the advice Feb 14 16:48:36 np, hows everything comin for you Feb 14 16:48:49 now i need to see if can i catch mic only Feb 14 16:48:57 yeah i know its possible Feb 14 16:49:05 ive got a test thing here which does it Feb 14 16:49:14 a bit tired ... but everything is ok Feb 14 16:49:46 i saw you on tv a little while ago (well youtube of tv) Feb 14 16:50:54 ouch my god i was so bad on this cast Feb 14 16:51:06 (too much wine) Feb 14 16:51:15 shame on me Feb 14 16:51:18 :D Feb 14 16:51:31 there is no such thing as too much wine Feb 14 16:51:52 there is when there is camera Feb 14 16:52:03 * lcuk nods Feb 14 16:55:21 hum ... can i got mic only with gst ? Feb 14 16:55:38 i didn t found how to specify it in pulsesrc Feb 14 16:57:37 Berp, can somebody shoot me please?) I've eaten too much pancakes :( Feb 14 17:04:18 hmm, any1 using the google buzz ? Feb 14 17:06:28 no Feb 14 17:06:34 no-one Feb 14 17:06:43 matthew-, Just another thing for me to keep track of. Plus I don't have any friends Feb 14 17:07:31 bof a bit useless Feb 14 17:07:35 gst-launch pulsesrc device='source.hw0' ! audioecho ! tee ! queue ! pulsesink Feb 14 17:07:43 YouHOU ! Feb 14 17:08:25 on my n900, thesavin browser seems to be unresponsive, despite being restarted. Feb 14 17:08:29 oops Feb 14 17:09:27 is there a way to restart browserd with upstart or should i just kill it? Feb 14 17:09:48 how to i get terminal out of fullscreen? Feb 14 17:10:10 i need to paste into terminal Feb 14 17:10:22 hit the fullscreen button again? Feb 14 17:10:39 there is no fullscreen button. i got rid of it Feb 14 17:10:46 lol Feb 14 17:10:54 really just need to paste Feb 14 17:11:12 pupnik: ctrl-backspace or somesuch Feb 14 17:11:24 pupnik: to minimize the terminal Feb 14 17:11:35 how do i paste then? Feb 14 17:11:45 pupnik: ctrl-c copy, ctrl-v paste Feb 14 17:11:51 not in term Feb 14 17:12:00 :) Feb 14 17:12:02 hmm Feb 14 17:12:20 is funny Feb 14 17:12:41 pupnik: you can go via saving the paste contents in a file Feb 14 17:12:45 ctrl-shift-c Feb 14 17:12:47 perhaps Feb 14 17:13:01 save it in a file and pipe it in Feb 14 17:16:09 yeah i could use /exec cat tmpfile in irssi Feb 14 17:17:03 is anybody using jabber with n900? Feb 14 17:17:31 i have some issues with it Feb 14 17:17:34 does someone know if there's a "contacts" widget for the desktop which displays all contacts currently online in an IM app? Feb 14 17:17:52 and i'm not sure if it's server problem or n900 problem Feb 14 17:18:00 basicaly jabber works fine Feb 14 17:18:23 and then it stops working ( i'm still online on n900 ) and i get all messages after some delay Feb 14 17:18:34 but nobody can call me on jabber Feb 14 17:27:57 is there a way of blocking numbers ? Feb 14 17:28:00 incoming ? Feb 14 17:29:10 isnt that a feature from the phone company side? Feb 14 17:29:40 some phones provide the ability to do so as well Feb 14 17:29:49 the n900 isnt one of them, no nokias do afaik Feb 14 17:30:20 Ah ok nid0 Feb 14 17:30:25 tank-man: maybe, ill send them an email. Feb 14 17:31:00 matthew-, They will probably just block it Feb 14 17:31:26 if (incomming call == blacklisted #) ignore, theres the psuedo code :) Feb 14 17:32:22 is openarena optified? Feb 14 17:32:52 Shapeshifter: would it be possible to install it otherwise? Feb 14 17:33:00 valdyn: ^^ right. Feb 14 17:34:31 jacekowski: try on a different network connection? Feb 14 17:38:37 valdyn: it works fine for most of time Feb 14 17:38:53 valdyn: and PSI on same connection works fine Feb 14 17:39:05 so it's something between ejabberd and n900 Feb 14 17:39:18 jacekowski: not necessarily Feb 14 17:40:58 * lcuk throws a paper plane @ pupnik Feb 14 17:41:20 because i can make a call Feb 14 17:41:22 both ways Feb 14 17:41:31 then i leave n900 for a while Feb 14 17:43:15 jacekowski: you dont know if some router is respecting keepalive timeout as it should Feb 14 17:43:39 ask mr tcpdump Feb 14 17:43:57 what's strange Feb 14 17:44:04 that when it's in that state Feb 14 17:44:07 jacekowski: while the n900 cannot send to many keepalive packets since that would just drain battery significantly for no benefit for most people Feb 14 17:44:24 i can send messages from n900 to world Feb 14 17:44:28 but i can't recieve any Feb 14 17:44:43 jacekowski: use a different internet access point of any kind Feb 14 17:55:21 maybe you are right Feb 14 17:55:29 it looks like my home wifi was a problem Feb 14 17:55:37 it works fine over 3g Feb 14 17:56:12 jacekowski: thats quite typical Feb 14 18:08:29 mh. openarena really hogs the keyboard Feb 14 18:08:38 now I can play OA in the multitasking overview Feb 14 18:08:50 :) Feb 14 18:09:00 so I've seen this question time and time again, now I am asking it: how do I close open arena? xD Feb 14 18:09:36 btw that aimbot is cute Feb 14 18:10:25 oh I found away Feb 14 18:11:11 evening zerojayN900 Feb 14 18:11:51 * ioeee saluda o/ Feb 14 18:12:08 hey there. Feb 14 18:13:14 good work on 3d for Mer, btw. Feb 14 18:14:47 ta - it feels really fast :P Feb 14 18:14:50 now to wonder wtf to use it for.. Feb 14 18:14:51 :P Feb 14 18:15:21 lol Feb 14 18:23:32 any py2deb gurus around? Feb 14 18:35:09 matchers.cc:4293: warning: 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher' has a field 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher::' whose type uses the anonymous namespace Feb 14 18:35:09 any idea what this means? Feb 14 18:43:57 la=? Feb 14 18:47:24 apparently xchat is not completely hildonized... Feb 14 18:48:14 hey Feb 14 18:48:18 where's modest's bug tracker? Feb 14 18:48:22 do they use bugs.maemo? Feb 14 18:48:30 yes Feb 14 18:48:43 http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ doesn't mention it :( Feb 14 18:50:03 yeah, but maemo bugzilla is the only public place to report bugs so... Feb 14 18:51:59 user_: no, it's not Feb 14 18:52:17 user_: It lacks nice scrolling in the textbox. Feb 14 18:54:28 And does not properly support networks that have login requirements. It should - if it sees 'Type /quote pass...' - pop up a nice scrolly widget to select the number between 0 and 100000 Feb 14 18:54:46 Sure it might take half an hour to login - but it's scrolly! Feb 14 18:55:16 It doesn't? Feb 14 18:55:24 I thought /server hostname port password Feb 14 18:55:25 worked Feb 14 18:56:18 nvm Feb 14 18:56:33 I was meaning stuff like undernet - you get a message saying '/quote pass foo' to login Feb 14 18:56:48 well, at least shift+arrow scrolls properly Feb 14 18:57:09 what does it do? Feb 14 18:57:28 I've been altering the default keymaps - I've got it to do pgup/down Feb 14 18:58:01 hildonizing xchat would probably be painful anyway Feb 14 18:58:08 it doesn't use normal gtk widget for the text Feb 14 18:58:19 because there are no ready widgets that can do it Feb 14 18:58:29 yeah, better use another codebase Feb 14 18:58:56 I also wish xchat knew about blue as a meta Feb 14 18:59:11 xchat works fine for me anyway though Feb 14 18:59:21 Shadikka, xchat was already started by RST38h Feb 14 18:59:27 It shows up if you press it - inthe key binding page - but not as a meta Feb 14 18:59:42 This is almost getting bothersome. ;) Feb 14 18:59:49 (j/k) Feb 14 19:00:44 I'd like to bind blue-left/right to home/end forex Feb 14 19:01:17 I discoverd the blue key isn't sticky in ovi maps Feb 14 19:01:51 It isn't sticky for me when attempting to get the symbol page in xchat Feb 14 19:02:13 increase the hot area for the scrollbar's arrows Feb 14 19:02:31 that would work Feb 14 19:03:26 alas blue-r/l is up/down here :-((( Feb 14 19:03:47 what a shit Feb 14 19:04:09 I like the english layout. Feb 14 19:04:11 i'm going to try to boot up maemo's base system (sortof) on virtualbox Feb 14 19:04:18 i wonder how badly it burns up Feb 14 19:04:18 well - international -= or whatever it is. Feb 14 19:04:22 anybody managed to get a spare keycaps mat? Feb 14 19:04:39 virtualbox does arm? Feb 14 19:04:46 sheepbat: rebuilt stuff for x86 Feb 14 19:04:52 ahh, okay Feb 14 19:04:58 DocScrutinizer: the source I initially pointed to - tessco - are authorised dealers only. But they also appeared to have stocking htem at all Feb 14 19:05:31 no use in ordering 500 of those Feb 14 19:06:11 DocScrutinizer: there's a finnish shop that sells them Feb 14 19:06:14 to normal people Feb 14 19:06:20 I'll try to dig up the url Feb 14 19:06:28 they actually do? Feb 14 19:06:46 Man the Vancouver HD feed looks like crap. Feb 14 19:07:40 N900 QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH 265740 http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 Feb 14 19:07:52 I *think* they sell to normal people Feb 14 19:08:15 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bwhaha.png Feb 14 19:08:16 although that page is utterly horrid Feb 14 19:09:10 Shapeshifter: thanks. yes it's horrid. That's why I hesitated to give it a try so far Feb 14 19:09:31 (also my poor Finsih skills) Feb 14 19:09:34 About voice dialing, what good open source software is available for something like that? Feb 14 19:09:46 none Feb 14 19:09:49 afaik Feb 14 19:10:02 Hrm, no wonder Nokia doesn't seem to want to do it. Feb 14 19:10:08 GeneralAntilles: something that does xmpp might work. pidgin supports it now Feb 14 19:10:18 at least for linux x86 Feb 14 19:10:23 they could port the symbian shit closedsource Feb 14 19:10:23 not sure about arm Feb 14 19:10:40 DocScrutinizer, probably easier to rewrite from scratch. Feb 14 19:10:50 GeneralAntilles: or do you mean voice dialing over the cellular network? Feb 14 19:10:55 I've never really been interested in voice control, but I have to admit the iPhone does a very good job of it. Feb 14 19:11:16 N95 is brilliant Feb 14 19:11:31 ahhh, voice *dialing* Feb 14 19:11:39 I wish I could get both voice and OCR as good as I had on my PC in 1996 or so. Feb 14 19:11:49 even recognizes my last name though never tought about how it's spoken Feb 14 19:12:25 RST38h: around? Feb 14 19:13:50 yep Feb 14 19:14:49 RST38h: Is there a bugzilla for xchat? Feb 14 19:15:17 No Feb 14 19:15:28 But you are free to email me a bug report Feb 14 19:15:34 SpeedEvil: #xchat Feb 14 19:15:45 * SpeedEvil had meant to add something yesterday - but I forgot what it was. Feb 14 19:16:09 is there a way to select more than one application to install at the same time in the application manager? Feb 14 19:16:19 I mean the maemo 'port'. Feb 14 19:16:32 ptl: not that I've seen. Would be handy. Feb 14 19:16:39 'intstall all' Feb 14 19:16:57 Bada: it's our iPhone OS clone Feb 14 19:17:04 (and run the hell away before it blows up) Feb 14 19:17:15 General: It is much funnier than that Feb 14 19:17:35 General: Bada UI has been lifted from 3-4 different places, both iPhone and Maemo included Feb 14 19:17:53 forget bada Feb 14 19:17:58 General: But the programming APIs are modeled after Sybian :) Feb 14 19:18:02 Symbian Feb 14 19:18:19 RST38h, yeah, and the whole damn brand was lifted from Mer. :P Feb 14 19:18:28 ? Feb 14 19:18:58 RST38h, the whole ocean theme. Feb 14 19:19:25 oh Feb 14 19:19:25 Korean word for oceon Feb 14 19:19:31 * Stskeeps pats his check from samsung ;p Feb 14 19:19:53 but that is of course beside the point Feb 14 19:20:07 the point is that NOTHING with Symbian-like APIs can be successful Feb 14 19:20:10 Did Peter have something going at MWC? Feb 14 19:20:28 symbian was successful Feb 14 19:20:45 Symbian is riding its inertia from 10 years ago. Feb 14 19:20:53 Times have changed now. Feb 14 19:21:05 General: Symbian development is just one huge cluster fuck Feb 14 19:21:38 * RST38h has no idea why koreans copied this particular programming model, but suspects they simply have done their research Feb 14 19:21:50 have not (sorry) Feb 14 19:23:31 People code what they know. Feb 14 19:23:41 After I learned Java, I made Java-like APIs until I got better. Feb 14 19:24:54 Most people actually writing code are young, so they have shockingly little exposure to other people's code. Feb 14 19:25:49 derf, dang Feb 14 19:26:10 derf: this is not coding, this is system design Feb 14 19:26:10 RST38h: (copying) as that's exactly the one thing they are extraordinary - clone things ;-) Feb 14 19:26:43 derf: one would expect people designing the system have some experience with multiple different systems and enough common sense to see what they ought and ought not use Feb 14 19:26:47 RST38h: Both you and I know how system design really gets done. Feb 14 19:27:00 Are /'s allowed in package Display Names? Feb 14 19:27:07 derf: Well, I know that it gets done differently by different people Feb 14 19:27:14 * RST38h has seen both good and bad examples Feb 14 19:27:35 zerojay: I believe so Feb 14 19:27:56 whoah, my N900 went crazy Feb 14 19:27:57 zerojay: why would you use / when it already has its own semantics? Feb 14 19:28:02 the screen is just... going mostly grey Feb 14 19:28:22 valdyn: Um... because it's a display name. :) Feb 14 19:28:23 zerojay, whenever i see things like that i wonder just why you need them Feb 14 19:28:29 valdyn: Because it's a name? Feb 14 19:28:30 cant you cope without Feb 14 19:28:35 RST38h: Assuming there's someone with that kind of experience on the project at all. Feb 14 19:28:43 zerojay: package names are also part of the package file Feb 14 19:28:52 lcuk: No, people would break down crying in the streets if I didn't. Feb 14 19:29:00 zerojay, what name? Feb 14 19:29:07 valdyn: Congrats, I know that already. Feb 14 19:29:07 valdyn: And / has no semantics in debian/control Feb 14 19:29:13 Fucking forget it. Feb 14 19:29:29 cheaper to hire 5 groups of cheap people to make 5 clones and wait for one to win out Feb 14 19:29:36 zerojay: It's fine. The 3G/2G/Dual Selection applet uses a couple of /s Feb 14 19:30:01 And we saw the bloodbath that apparently caused. Feb 14 19:30:16 lol Feb 14 19:31:47 GeneralAntilles: filled out, and copied in, a few items Feb 14 19:32:39 Jaffa, yeah, looking at it now. Feb 14 19:33:51 derf: Well, here we come to the specifics of national design: Koreans do not invent, they copy. Feb 14 19:34:06 derf: but, hell, they could have copied more wisely :) Feb 14 19:37:47 is anybody doing anything to run dalvik apps on maemo? Feb 14 19:38:03 jacekowski: there was a guy who got it working on ubuntu but never published it. Feb 14 19:38:15 jacekowski: cos he got ideological scruples, it seems like Feb 14 19:38:18 GeneralAntilles: Cool, thanks Feb 14 19:38:41 are dalvikvm sources avaliable? Feb 14 19:39:03 afaik Feb 14 19:39:52 * RST38h places a Nexus One on top of N900 and runs dalvik apps Feb 14 19:40:34 * MohammadAG gives RST38h a blender and asks him: Feb 14 19:40:38 Do they blend? Feb 14 19:40:40 :P Feb 14 19:40:52 Of course they do Feb 14 19:55:21 SpeedEvil: (xchat) a means to change charfont size via shortcut easily, that's be a nice feature I don't see any workaround for right now (like e.g. in xterm) Feb 14 20:01:35 GeneralAntilles: Articles locked in. Feb 14 20:05:41 DocScrutinizer: that would be nice, yes Feb 14 20:06:30 * GeneralAntilles just tried to load dogs.google.com Feb 14 20:06:55 :-D Feb 14 20:51:36 Stskeeps: yeah I saw, looks good Feb 14 20:52:27 might be nice to have a simplified version of free / free with nonfree dependencies / nonfree Feb 14 20:53:02 mm, either way, it's something that can be built on Feb 14 20:53:13 looking forward to seeing if things are moving in the right direction in PR1.2 Feb 14 20:56:44 yes, indeed Feb 14 20:56:56 and thanks for your work on it :) Feb 14 21:12:20 is there a dbus command to start/stop bluetooth Feb 14 21:12:24 ~ping Feb 14 21:12:26 ~pong Feb 14 21:15:17 ~ding Feb 14 21:15:18 dong Feb 14 21:15:36 ~sing Feb 14 21:15:37 "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" Feb 14 21:16:06 ~shut up Feb 14 21:16:07 yes, master docscrutinizer Feb 14 21:16:42 infobot: good bot Feb 14 21:16:42 :), DocScrutinizer Feb 14 21:17:36 ~botsnack Feb 14 21:17:37 :), woglinde_ Feb 14 21:20:07 I am following the howto for irreco but I can only use 'commands' from remote controls that are registered in lircdb. How do I use irreco to 'train' a button, since I have the remote control? Feb 14 21:20:21 My remote control is not registered in lircdb! Feb 14 21:24:21 ptl: no way since N900 has no IR reeiver Feb 14 21:24:32 oh. :( Feb 14 21:25:24 wow Feb 14 21:25:30 how stupid ws that decision Feb 14 21:25:31 ptl: try a remote profile for a similar RC. maybe small variation in name or sth Feb 14 21:25:37 put only an ir tansmitter on a device Feb 14 21:25:45 especially on a pda style device Feb 14 21:25:55 where you would assume a user would possibly use IR to send/recieve data Feb 14 21:26:21 that's not at all a IrDA Feb 14 21:26:33 I can't think of a single situation other than a dedicated remote control where unidirection IR makes any sense Feb 14 21:26:38 it's a mere custom IR TX Feb 14 21:27:03 im not usually a whats the point kind of guy Feb 14 21:27:05 but really Feb 14 21:27:16 who came up with that decision Feb 14 21:27:20 and what was its real purpose Feb 14 21:27:31 DocScrutinizer51: I tried it, it's a small brand of electronics in Brazil named gradiente. It has 3 entries, none of them are a TV Feb 14 21:27:34 don't ask *me* Feb 14 21:27:44 lol Feb 14 21:27:59 kamui: it'd be much better if they put in a digital compass Feb 14 21:28:05 instead of the IR Feb 14 21:28:12 meh Feb 14 21:28:14 digital compass wont help you change tv channel Feb 14 21:28:19 the compas is a catchy little gimmick these days Feb 14 21:28:22 seems useless again Feb 14 21:28:37 I'd rather have had a full IrDA FIR device Feb 14 21:28:52 and pay more for it? Feb 14 21:28:56 pay whta Feb 14 21:28:58 spacewise too Feb 14 21:28:59 ptl: if you find out which IR chip the RC is built upon' you'll probably find compatible RC profile Feb 14 21:29:00 an extra 20 bucks? Feb 14 21:29:11 kamui, most people dont seem to mind nowadays Feb 14 21:29:26 yea, I guess Feb 14 21:29:26 jo lcuk Feb 14 21:29:30 i havent seen much noise about its absense until now Feb 14 21:29:41 but people have been using it to control things Feb 14 21:29:46 so \o/ Feb 14 21:29:50 which to me seems real cool Feb 14 21:29:51 hiya woglinde_ Feb 14 21:29:54 kamui, it does have a receiver. Feb 14 21:30:11 Although I'm unsure if anything useful can be gotten out of it. Feb 14 21:30:29 woglinde_, whats happenin tonight then Feb 14 21:30:34 it does have a receiver for that? Feb 14 21:31:16 GeneralAntilles, could you also confirm for me please if our amazing n900 also includes a flux capacitor Feb 14 21:31:17 ptl, the proximity sensor is just an IR light and receiver. Feb 14 21:31:17 GeneralAntilles: wtf? the info regarding this detail seems to change weekly?! Feb 14 21:31:27 other older devices have it and it would be useful for us Feb 14 21:31:28 lcuk hm nothing Feb 14 21:31:56 DocScrutinizer51, nah, the IR on top of the device is just CIR. Feb 14 21:33:06 I WANT THE FSCKNG NDA TO SIGN IT RIGHT NOW! gimme those nasty schematics! Feb 14 21:33:22 DocScrutinizer, do you really? :P Feb 14 21:33:30 yeah! Feb 14 21:33:39 DocScrutinizer51: nda causes personality split Feb 14 21:33:56 nda's are bad for your sanity Feb 14 21:33:57 no issue with just one more of those Feb 14 21:37:16 when you remove something with application manager, does it remove the dependencies it installed automatically too? Feb 14 21:37:47 that would suck if other programs had the same dependencies... Feb 14 21:38:44 aptitude does that Feb 14 21:39:15 DocScrutinizer, someone posted L3&L4 manuals on tmo Feb 14 21:39:19 if that helps Feb 14 21:39:31 it sucks more to have stuff that you don't use installed Feb 14 21:39:51 ShadowJK: those don't have schematics though Feb 14 21:40:09 ptl, I believe it does. Feb 14 21:40:16 ShadowJK: thanks for dropping the notice anyway Feb 14 21:40:20 ptl, I'm unclean on the exact setup, though. Feb 14 21:40:25 s/clean/clear/ Feb 14 21:40:26 GeneralAntilles meant: ptl, I'm unclear on the exact setup, though. Feb 14 21:40:32 ok Feb 14 21:40:48 seen them some time ago on nokiausers Feb 14 21:40:53 DocScrutinizer, it had circuit diagram of the charging :P Feb 14 21:41:03 they don't have the schematics, as someone said a reply Feb 14 21:41:09 ooh actually? Feb 14 21:41:30 +in* Feb 14 21:41:31 anyways i'm off Feb 14 21:41:59 The charging circuit has direct connection to make yellow on the LED :P Feb 14 21:42:27 uh Feb 14 21:42:34 my n900 survuved a drop from 1.5m Feb 14 21:42:46 onto a featherbed? Feb 14 21:42:48 no moving parts Feb 14 21:42:55 screen on a corner of a marble block. Feb 14 21:43:03 nice Feb 14 21:43:09 when i was picking it up, i was sure it's dead. Feb 14 21:43:13 matthew-: seems almost within specs Feb 14 21:43:15 and it was SO loud. Feb 14 21:43:25 DocScrutinizer51: Within specs? Feb 14 21:43:26 My dev discount unit survived a 4' drop onto a brick road. It fixed the gap below the keyboard. :P Feb 14 21:43:29 that's because it regenerated, as does the majority of living beings Feb 14 21:43:49 lol Feb 14 21:43:50 matthew-: drop test Feb 14 21:43:55 DocScrutinizer51: ah, ok ;-) Feb 14 21:43:56 well, fun fact most people ignore... the louder an accident, the more energie was diverted TO the sound, the less onto damage Feb 14 21:44:02 part of standard PV Feb 14 21:44:06 sound is energy, too Feb 14 21:44:23 satmd: yeah. Feb 14 21:44:25 well.. loudness given a fixed amount of initial energy Feb 14 21:44:26 satmd: and the heat wave.. Feb 14 21:44:28 ;] Feb 14 21:44:43 but if the percentage stays constant, louder sound means more energy overall Feb 14 21:44:43 sort of true for things with a large surface area I guess Feb 14 21:44:49 yeah Feb 14 21:45:07 DocScrutinizer51: My e90 survived 2nd floor drop onto a brick road. :> Feb 14 21:45:14 I could see landing flat on a surface being louder than soething else though Feb 14 21:45:18 hence clapping Feb 14 21:45:55 heat 'wave', yeah :D Feb 14 21:46:25 but truly, bad accidents usually do NOT make much noise, loud accidents end relatively harmless Feb 14 21:46:50 satmd: it created a month long heat wave in the area, yes :> Feb 14 21:47:12 lol? Feb 14 21:47:34 :> nothing ;-) Feb 14 21:50:00 tell me, is it true that you can videoconference via skype with the N900? Feb 14 21:50:07 Saw a video with that Feb 14 21:50:07 no Feb 14 21:50:31 how the youtube guy did that then? Feb 14 21:50:43 PR1.2 seems to have rumors to the effect of Skype video Feb 14 21:50:52 the mystical youtube guy can do anything Feb 14 21:51:11 ptl, I think it was skype developers using an unreleased skype version Feb 14 21:51:20 oh, it's gtalk video Feb 14 21:51:31 sorry Feb 14 21:51:46 what about standard 3g video calling? Feb 14 21:52:06 3g video calling not supported Feb 14 21:52:08 I doubt we'll ever see that. Feb 14 21:52:09 I'll test it as soon as I change my provider Feb 14 21:52:11 and we don't know what's coming if anything Feb 14 21:52:30 but you got a secondary camera Feb 14 21:52:40 how can it not be supported? Feb 14 21:52:49 are the codecs proprietary or something? Feb 14 21:52:53 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know anybody who has ever even used 3G calling. Feb 14 21:53:09 Allegedly it works with gtalk if with some extra app.. Feb 14 21:53:38 * lcuk blinks Feb 14 21:53:52 The front camera's video output was unusable until PR1.1 anyway, and it's not that great now either Feb 14 21:53:54 GeneralAntilles, i have 3g near me most of the time Feb 14 21:54:00 and in cambridge i get 3.5g Feb 14 21:54:03 Er, video calling. Feb 14 21:55:33 That reminds me. Feb 14 21:55:46 * SpeedEvil needs to masure the SNR of tfrontcam under an illumination of 100 lux. Feb 14 21:55:51 To see if it's 37dB Feb 14 21:55:56 I suspect not even close. Feb 14 21:56:12 (that's the specced sensitivitY) Feb 14 21:56:54 the front surface material probably eats some of the light Feb 14 21:57:33 which developping stage is PR1.2 ? alpha beta RC? Feb 14 21:57:51 Chiku, freeze was a few days ago. Feb 14 21:58:23 If they decided to do another round of community testing that'll be when it hits RC. Feb 14 21:58:33 how long usualy to get next stages? Feb 14 21:58:42 Kegetys: it's not going to be >50% Feb 14 21:58:59 Probably 4-8 weeks. Feb 14 21:59:05 for RC? Feb 14 21:59:15 Chiku, realize, though, that information about Nokia's internal release process isn't widely available. Feb 14 21:59:22 Hey, I'm starting to write my first app for maemo and I had a question concerning gstreamer. I kind of have a question about gstreamer. Anyone here willing to help? Feb 14 21:59:27 Chiku, until release. Feb 14 21:59:27 I assume you can't comment on any aspects of the firmware - say if frontcam has changed since 1.1? Feb 14 21:59:39 jaycuse: shoot. Feb 14 21:59:43 Thanks :) Feb 14 21:59:46 jaycuse: #maemo-devel is better for you to get an answer Feb 14 21:59:52 ok thx Feb 14 22:00:04 SpeedEvil, who can't? Feb 14 22:00:28 there are only nokia developpers for maemo release? Feb 14 22:00:29 kk thanks Feb 14 22:00:48 Chiku, i dont think linus is a nokian Feb 14 22:01:11 Chiku, Nokia has lots of contractors. Feb 14 22:01:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/Companies_in_Maemo_development Feb 14 22:01:38 maemo based on debian? Feb 14 22:01:47 GeneralAntilles: I thought you had 1.2 Feb 14 22:02:25 Chiku, yes :) Feb 14 22:02:59 SpeedEvil, no. ;) Feb 14 22:03:32 SpeedEvil, I'm assuming that if Nokia decides to do another round of community testing Quim will announce it again. Feb 14 22:03:48 SpeedEvil: So basically I want to take mic input and send it to my output .. kind of like gst-launch pulsesrc ! pulsesink .. I'm just wondering if that's possible. When I try it on my laptop it doesn't really work. I can send the input to an ogg file but when I direct it to pulsesink it just does a noice real fast and stops. Feb 14 22:04:15 can you multi boot with debian? grub boot and select maemo or debian? Feb 14 22:04:18 SpeedEvil, as far as I'm aware nobody without an NDA has access as yet. so. Feb 14 22:04:26 Chiku, it doesn't use grub, but yes. Feb 14 22:04:57 ah Feb 14 22:05:28 I'd bet if the Skype video rumors pan out there will be fixes to the front came firmware. Feb 14 22:05:32 s/came/cam/ Feb 14 22:05:33 GeneralAntilles meant: I'd bet if the Skype video rumors pan out there will be fixes to the front cam firmware. Feb 14 22:05:46 do you know if there is feature to put priority for wifi connexions? Feb 14 22:06:18 I have multi wifi connexions, and each time auto select got worse one Feb 14 22:06:51 i have a question about the N900 maybe someone can help me with Feb 14 22:07:04 yes fhgft Feb 14 22:07:33 i was wondering if it can use a sim card to make calls and access the internet Feb 14 22:07:50 yes, it can ;) Feb 14 22:08:02 why wouldn't it? it's a mobile phone Feb 14 22:08:11 btw videocalls are not supported Feb 14 22:08:36 i was unaware of that i thought it was classified as a netbook Feb 14 22:08:48 thanks for your help Feb 14 22:08:53 nope Feb 14 22:09:48 what distros of linux can run on it Feb 14 22:11:58 I am reading on google that 3G video calls aren't common in the US Feb 14 22:12:08 so maybe that's why I heard so much scorn about it Feb 14 22:12:21 Ro9u3oR, for sure "mer", wich is based on ubuntu jaunty Feb 14 22:13:01 thank you flyer Feb 14 22:14:21 Ro9u3oR: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Feb 14 22:15:11 way to anticipate me searching for more info on the distro plt thanks Feb 14 22:20:53 Ro9u3oR, i think this section of the forum could be usefull: http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=36 Feb 14 22:43:41 niiiiice Feb 14 22:43:52 just got google video working!!!! Feb 14 22:46:17 that was quite nice... and the secondary camera is not that bad Feb 14 22:49:19 now the next thing would be: how to *initiate* video calls on google talk from the N900? Feb 14 22:53:31 ptl: nice. how dows that work Feb 14 22:54:24 where i can see example of bugtracker url to put on debian/control? Feb 14 22:54:32 and is it necessary on extras-testing? Feb 14 22:54:46 ifreq, is if you want your package in Extras. ;) Feb 14 22:54:46 ifreq hm Feb 14 22:55:00 GeneralAntilles: yeah well i doubht NO one wants my package eventually :) Feb 14 22:55:12 but ill just finished it with hildon stuff anyways :P Feb 14 23:04:06 anyone using conky here? Feb 14 23:04:35 was just wondering how much it takes system resources when ran by default conf file (on the deb package) Feb 14 23:06:08 pupnik__: it's as simple as setting up a google account, becoming available and, from the other side, initiating a video call Feb 14 23:06:16 pupnik__: it goes with sound and such... works nicely Feb 14 23:06:30 pupnik__: but I don't know how to initiate video calls from the N900 Feb 14 23:06:46 cool Feb 14 23:07:31 ifreq, a bit more than top and less then htop Feb 14 23:07:59 a bit more than top including the terminal refreshes or not? Feb 14 23:08:31 ifreq, i wouldn't run it all day except out of curiousity Feb 14 23:08:46 I wouldn't even install it Feb 14 23:08:46 fnordian900: yeh thought something liek that :) Feb 14 23:09:06 ifreq, try it and see Feb 14 23:09:15 yeah when got some time Feb 14 23:09:28 ptl, suit yerself Feb 14 23:09:30 too many blades on fire atm Feb 14 23:09:34 :) Feb 14 23:09:41 err too many projects Feb 14 23:09:48 anyway what about gkrellm for the n900? :P Feb 14 23:10:02 ptl: rather hot-babe for n900 Feb 14 23:10:12 i tryed to package it even.. but it fails on the UI Feb 14 23:10:19 someone more skilled could check it Feb 14 23:10:20 :) Feb 14 23:10:37 worked nicely on FREMANTLE_X86 desktop thought Feb 14 23:10:41 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 14 23:10:55 http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/ Feb 14 23:10:56 ifreq: lol Feb 14 23:11:10 it's in medibuntu Feb 14 23:11:31 yeh im sure it works on x86 atleast :P dunno why it didnt play along on armel Feb 14 23:11:55 compiled ok and shito but when launching it cuts 1/4 of xterm and shows nothing :P Feb 14 23:12:03 maybe size counts. And the hot babe doesn't like small devices, if you know what I mean. Feb 14 23:12:06 need someone to check it who understand maemo UI better Feb 14 23:12:07 lame joke anyway Feb 14 23:12:17 ptl: yeah, tho it worked on SDK X86 ui :P Feb 14 23:12:19 so dunno Feb 14 23:12:39 ptl: it fitted nicely on the left side of the screen Feb 14 23:12:41 :) Feb 14 23:12:54 cool Feb 14 23:13:34 mayb ill re look it after ive finished current package Feb 14 23:13:38 now good night. Feb 14 23:13:50 is there a hotkey for "back" in microb? Feb 14 23:13:59 ifreq, needs to be made into a hildon desktop widget Feb 14 23:14:01 Backspace? Feb 14 23:14:22 lcuk: yeh as you know im not expert on such stuff :P (dev/coding either) Feb 14 23:14:37 lcuk: would made a fun app. any takers? :-) *g* Feb 14 23:14:38 GeneralAntilles: oh. ^^ Feb 14 23:18:03 so, microb doesn't do html5