**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 23 02:59:58 2010 Feb 23 03:11:24 omg the mediaplayer sucks Feb 23 03:11:44 i just made an m3u to put an album in the right order Feb 23 03:12:27 and Feb 23 03:12:55 it loads 1 2 3 4 ... n as 1 n ... 4 3 2 Feb 23 03:13:04 !!! Feb 23 03:13:24 so, backwards, but with track 1 first Feb 23 03:14:10 the fact that i can open a shell and make an m3u file with find and edit it with vi, out of the box... Feb 23 03:14:13 is awesome Feb 23 03:14:31 that i need to to hear an album in order... not awesome Feb 23 04:56:36 anyone know whats new in the latest version of xchat released today? Feb 23 04:56:42 nothing stated in the details Feb 23 04:57:20 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo15/ Feb 23 04:58:39 lame Feb 23 04:58:41 thanks GA Feb 23 04:58:49 I was hoping the interface was made more touch friendly Feb 23 04:58:52 lol Feb 23 04:58:52 at least started Feb 23 04:58:59 kamui, that's, er, not a simple undertaking. Feb 23 04:59:00 looks like its just a new icon and notification system Feb 23 04:59:05 I know its not GeneralAntilles Feb 23 04:59:10 thats why I was hoping it was started Feb 23 04:59:21 kamui, the original maintainer has been gone for a while Feb 23 04:59:26 you know, in the changelog, like began laying framework for touch friendly interface Feb 23 04:59:30 oic Feb 23 04:59:33 qwerty12 and RST38h have been doing a lot of spare-time patches and improvements. Feb 23 04:59:39 thats very nice of them Feb 23 04:59:46 because xchat is easily the best irc app ever Feb 23 04:59:49 next to irssi Feb 23 04:59:50 :-D Feb 23 04:59:57 Yeah, and neither of them have an overwhelming amount of time to reimplement the UI. ;) Feb 23 05:00:20 I was thinking about writing a new client Feb 23 05:00:23 calling it KamuiRC Feb 23 05:00:25 :-D Feb 23 05:00:45 Do it Feb 23 05:00:52 Probably easier than getting XChat to have a nice UI. ;) Feb 23 05:01:07 no point really, xchat is leaps and bounds more mature than anything written from scratch Feb 23 05:01:22 plus its totally useable. I'd really just like to see at least bigger scrolling window widgets Feb 23 05:01:35 I could probably live with everything else otherwise, its still moderately touch and slide friendly Feb 23 05:01:37 fingerwise Feb 23 05:06:09 I'd love to find somebody to con into doing it. Feb 23 05:06:55 Goddamn, Jaffa, mwkn is good for karma whoring. Feb 23 05:08:14 (not a simple undertaking) repeating my suggestion to very simply increase size of hot area for scrollbuttons Feb 23 05:41:00 wowsers! Feb 23 05:41:05 made crazy progress with blender Feb 23 05:41:10 still not hardware accelerated Feb 23 05:41:18 but I have the lag down to under a second Feb 23 05:41:42 blender? Feb 23 05:53:54 nice kamui Feb 23 05:54:37 hey pupnik Feb 23 05:54:42 tried the screencast applet Feb 23 05:54:52 works ok with blender, but audio and video are horribly desynced Feb 23 05:55:17 Ill make another video with my camera and upload it tomorrow Feb 23 05:56:20 sleeping .. cu Feb 23 05:57:20 lcuk, clearly your new hardware target. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/lenovo-thinkpad-bumps-bring-x201-x201s-x201t-w701-and-w701ds/ Feb 23 05:58:19 interesting... Feb 23 05:58:26 My laptop in the hotel room just "went to sleep" Feb 23 05:58:50 [15:24] == crashanddie [~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] Feb 23 05:59:19 And I'm most definitely *not* in my hotel room Feb 23 05:59:46 GeneralAntilles: you do realise it's a bit early, even for lcuk Feb 23 06:01:24 crashanddie_, yes, I realize. Feb 23 06:01:31 crashanddie_, but now I don't have to remember to send the link in the morning. Feb 23 06:01:47 crashanddie_, housekeeping is saving energy. Feb 23 06:02:47 GeneralAntilles: you treehugger Feb 23 06:03:12 Green is cool, yo. Feb 23 06:03:18 crashanddie_, you see that Audi commercial from the Superbowl? Feb 23 06:03:26 nope Feb 23 06:03:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq58zS4_jvM Feb 23 06:03:51 Deeply disturbing Feb 23 06:04:38 why dont these cursed media players let me delete files. panucci Feb 23 06:05:08 im going to upload one-off fixes of this crap soon Feb 23 06:06:15 GeneralAntilles: no youtube at work Feb 23 06:16:32 crashanddie_, lame. Feb 23 06:20:51 yeah, that audi comercial was not right Feb 23 06:21:15 Well, I'm never going to buy anything from Audi/VW. ;) Feb 23 06:21:45 I guess it was suppose to be funny but it was not funny at all Feb 23 06:22:10 in addition to making you want to smack the smug Audi driver Feb 23 06:22:17 Yeah Feb 23 06:22:48 Aside from being utterly offensive, it hits a little close to home to be funny. Feb 23 06:23:08 how much tax money do you have to spend to fund a police force that goes through everyones garbage Feb 23 06:23:28 and how corrupt must a system be to pass laws with harsh penalties for not recycling a plastic bottle Feb 23 06:23:34 yeah Feb 23 06:25:25 fuck, the damn expressions of fear on the peoples faces when they saw that the recycling police were after them Feb 23 06:25:29 anyway Feb 23 06:25:31 gah Feb 23 06:25:51 I'll be in the other room pouring myself a stiff drink Feb 23 06:26:20 Sounds like a plan. Feb 23 06:28:51 i just bought myself an n900 yesterday. must say i'm impressed,though it'll t*ke some getting used to the keyboard.. Feb 23 06:29:02 About 2-3 weeks. Feb 23 06:30:35 i'm already writing faster on this than some people write on fullsize keyboards :) Feb 23 06:30:36 except if you got a crippled german wertzu kbd Feb 23 06:30:59 wertzu? Feb 23 06:31:34 that's what the german layout is called in Germany Feb 23 06:31:48 i didn't know they had a different layout there. Feb 23 06:31:50 l8r Feb 23 06:31:57 how kind of you DocScrutinizer Feb 23 06:32:07 the nasty part though are the missing up/down direct keys Feb 23 06:32:19 jo-erlend: and other countries have different ones also Feb 23 06:32:32 i know. Feb 23 06:32:46 weird Feb 23 06:33:50 pupnik_: ?? Feb 23 06:39:14 * RST38h yawns widely Feb 23 06:40:11 moo Feb 23 06:46:46 to teach myself to touch type on a normal keyboard I popped off all the keys and rearranged them Feb 23 06:46:56 this is much harder to do on the n900 Feb 23 06:49:42 why is there a tombstone for maemo in the topic? Feb 23 06:49:54 meeeeeeegooooooo Feb 23 06:49:59 of doooooommmmmmm Feb 23 06:50:07 hmm? Feb 23 06:50:10 meego Feb 23 06:50:22 .... Feb 23 06:50:32 and parternership of nokia and intel to combine maemo and moogle Feb 23 06:50:37 or whatever the intel OS is Feb 23 06:51:08 http://meego.com/ Feb 23 06:51:13 gremlin Feb 23 06:51:48 bad time for beginning with maemo then? Feb 23 06:51:54 who knows Feb 23 06:52:05 depends on what you want out of it Feb 23 06:52:20 if you want an OS that is going to be around in 10 years then you are screwed with anything you pick Feb 23 06:52:38 if you want a phone OS that will be around in 2 years then it's pretty much the same thing Feb 23 06:52:49 IMHO Feb 23 06:53:32 they will have to pull my n900 from my cold dead hands, or offer me something with dual snapdragon 1ghz CPUs Feb 23 06:53:45 and a mostly open OS Feb 23 06:54:05 and good controls for gaming Feb 23 06:54:16 god I want a phone with a decent D-pad Feb 23 06:54:27 dpad, yeah Feb 23 06:55:51 Proteous, Snapdragon sucks. Feb 23 06:55:57 yeah? Feb 23 06:56:01 OMAP4440, baby! Feb 23 06:56:06 heh Feb 23 06:56:12 Sucks is strong, but it's no OMAP. Feb 23 06:56:15 No DSP, no graphics Feb 23 06:56:17 Limited cache. Feb 23 06:56:22 boo Feb 23 06:56:32 So that 1GHz isn't quite OMAP3 1GHz. Feb 23 06:56:45 Besides, Qualcomm is just fucking evil. :P Feb 23 06:57:25 maybe intel will pull a sweet SOAC out of somewhere dank and smelly Feb 23 06:57:45 Atom is gross for low power Feb 23 06:57:45 I'm sure they would really like to get farther into that market Feb 23 06:57:49 I'm all about the TI, honestly. Feb 23 06:57:53 Open source friendly, good hardware. Feb 23 06:57:58 yeah Feb 23 06:58:05 ti rocks. Feb 23 06:58:16 but will we get a TI chip from nokia not that they are in bed with intel? Feb 23 06:58:20 SnapDragon has no graphics? Feb 23 06:58:22 er, now Feb 23 06:58:22 Really? Feb 23 06:58:43 I can't imagine they'd drop TI. Feb 23 06:58:51 ÿ Feb 23 06:58:53 MeeGo is the only thing that's really suite for x86 Feb 23 06:58:56 happened before Feb 23 06:59:02 and they've got the whole rest of their product line. Feb 23 06:59:06 RST38h, as far as I'm aware Feb 23 06:59:06 they won't drop TI. Feb 23 06:59:10 Graphics is on another chip Feb 23 06:59:22 I wont be buying an Atom SoC-based phones, that's for damn sure. Feb 23 06:59:25 mhm, weird Feb 23 06:59:35 RST38h: it does video decoding but doesn't have any GPU functionality Feb 23 06:59:38 Ah, just wait and see... Feb 23 06:59:40 acording to wikipedia Feb 23 07:01:25 i'm looking forward to cortex-a9. dual core arm will make it a bit more suitable for real desktops. Feb 23 07:10:23 hello Feb 23 07:11:01 I am very new to my n810 and I am looking for help in changin my boot splash. I dont wan tto change the Nokia. I actually like that. I do want to change the hands though. Feb 23 07:11:16 I know that I have to chage out a file in the root directory, Feb 23 07:11:23 and I can even view that file in GPE Feb 23 07:11:36 but I cannot move, change, rename, or alter that file from GPE Feb 23 07:11:53 can anyone tell me the easiest way to handle this task? Feb 23 07:11:56 Stork91: this is what i did for the n900: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/maemo-splash-0.1/ Feb 23 07:13:34 several problems with that. For starters I am still on a n810, which uses a image file. Two to be precise. Feb 23 07:13:59 second, I do not have acess to a LInux pc, so I will have to do all of this from a windows operating system. Feb 23 07:15:11 I know how to do it, in that I know which files to alter, and the specs for those files. Feb 23 07:15:20 I need to know how to actually change the files. Feb 23 07:15:43 Since you cannot do it from GPE and they are not readily visible from explorer i windows. Feb 23 07:17:51 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 23 07:18:12 * timeless_mbp plugs in an n800 Feb 23 07:18:34 well so um Feb 23 07:18:43 morning timeless_mbp Feb 23 07:18:48 hi Feb 23 07:18:52 stskeeps Feb 23 07:18:54 the directory shown there is the source for a .deb Feb 23 07:19:06 the .deb is responsible for munging files that you normally can't touch Feb 23 07:19:19 do you know to edit the root for the n810 from windows? Feb 23 07:19:19 * timeless_mbp doesn't see how that part of things is remotely interesting Feb 23 07:19:26 "you don't" Feb 23 07:19:27 next. Feb 23 07:19:33 ok... Feb 23 07:19:35 Stork91: 'ssh'? Feb 23 07:19:35 :P Feb 23 07:19:48 * RST38h moos at Stskeeps Feb 23 07:19:51 Stork91: how about looking at what the package i pointed to you does? Feb 23 07:20:05 instead of just grumbling about windows and totally different n900 Feb 23 07:20:21 * timeless_mbp notes that the nokia hands on the n8x0 includes a sound Feb 23 07:20:31 but isn't an animation Feb 23 07:20:33 the package you pointed me to is for the n900\\\\\\\\\\\\ Feb 23 07:20:37 bbl Feb 23 07:20:40 have to go give a test Feb 23 07:20:53 not a test, a read Feb 23 07:21:06 look at what it does and how Feb 23 07:21:08 learn from it Feb 23 07:21:31 someone seen this? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fopensource.idg.se%2F2.1014%2F1.296909%2Fse-nokias-oppna-multi-touch---pa-windows-7 Feb 23 07:21:59 Sandman: translation sucks Feb 23 07:22:58 * DocScrutinizer suggests install rootsh Feb 23 07:23:57 Stork91: http://www.rcramer.com/gadgets/n800/boot.shtml Feb 23 07:24:34 i know.. but the funny part is that Nokia blame Linux. Multi-touch are working if you run GTK+ for what i know. Feb 23 07:24:36 Stork91: 'sudo gainroot' is your friend Feb 23 07:24:50 Sandman: so um Feb 23 07:24:58 do you speak the language the article was actually written in/ Feb 23 07:25:10 because the translation is so bad that it could have said anything in the original Feb 23 07:25:12 yeah.. (swedish) Feb 23 07:26:34 * Stskeeps ponders what to do today Feb 23 07:26:46 crap... i set a root password, but i don't remember what i used... Feb 23 07:26:56 jo-erlend: sudo gainroot Feb 23 07:27:11 (or install a package that removes the password) Feb 23 07:28:05 Stork91: personally, i'd make a package, just as i did for the n900 Feb 23 07:28:19 the advantage is that if you ever reflash, you can reinstall the package to reapply the customization Feb 23 07:28:25 instead of manually doing the work again Feb 23 07:28:36 packages essentially document the changes you've done to system files Feb 23 07:28:43 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 23 07:28:58 my n800 turned on fairly quickly and connected to my wifi network w/o issue Feb 23 07:29:15 * timeless_mbp hasn't used it in ages and is moderately surprised/impressed Feb 23 07:31:15 i'm really destroying a lot of my SB1 rootstraps with this maemo-on-omap script to make images Feb 23 07:31:29 by running it in the wrong target Feb 23 07:33:30 anyone know if dell takes coupons for the N900? Feb 23 07:35:29 how's vpnc working for you lot? it works here but the connection breaks off after a couple of minutes, or becomes unrecoverable if the wlan disconnects. if it breaks down once, I cant connect agian, even if I killed all vpnc instances. Feb 23 07:45:00 hey ClaesBas Feb 23 08:02:04 * dmb hides from Stskeeps Feb 23 08:02:24 morning Feb 23 08:03:11 mourning lardman Feb 23 08:03:14 how are things? Feb 23 08:05:10 hi RST38h, not bad, you? Feb 23 08:05:31 moo dmb Feb 23 08:05:32 lardman: 4th day of the long weekend Feb 23 08:06:57 Stskeeps: how you been? Feb 23 08:07:04 good Feb 23 08:07:18 RST38h: long weekend? Feb 23 08:07:39 lardman: 23th if the local version of the father's day Feb 23 08:07:47 i want me a device that that can run Maemo :P Feb 23 08:07:53 dmb: get n900 :P Feb 23 08:07:54 lardman: next saturday has been moved to 22th, 4 weekends Feb 23 08:08:01 any chance of any cdma versions coming out? Feb 23 08:08:02 RST38h: ah ok, sounds nice :) Feb 23 08:08:02 dmb: i know you from .. inspircd wasn't it? Feb 23 08:08:07 dmb: doubt it Feb 23 08:08:15 Stskeeps: yup Feb 23 08:08:35 and that other evil ircd :P Feb 23 08:08:36 ah, did w00t turn another one? Feb 23 08:08:36 :P Feb 23 08:09:09 turn another one? Feb 23 08:09:51 we have this ongoing joke that he makes n900 customers out of people Feb 23 08:09:51 :P Feb 23 08:11:04 are tentacles involved? Feb 23 08:12:27 morning Feb 23 08:12:54 morning tigert Feb 23 08:14:21 morning Feb 23 08:14:35 morning X-Fade Feb 23 08:15:04 Stskeeps: how's work coming along on the PVR stuff out of interest? Feb 23 08:15:21 lardman|home: released by TI but it's now up to community to make something sane out of things Feb 23 08:15:25 :P Feb 23 08:15:32 i think we can use it to accelerate cairo and Qgraphicsview in qt4.6 Feb 23 08:15:41 Stskeeps: oh, I didn't realise it had been released with a proper licence Feb 23 08:15:50 well, proper is a matter of definition\ Feb 23 08:15:59 but at least it ships with debug symbols Feb 23 08:16:27 this is not the same code we were looking at before then? It's gone back to Ti to be signed off for release? Feb 23 08:16:42 it is roughly the same but with SDK on top Feb 23 08:17:01 ok Feb 23 08:54:54 sp3000: "let's not well [sic] on that at the moment" Feb 23 08:57:36 Morning, all Feb 23 08:58:00 jaffa, mornin' Feb 23 08:58:04 GeneralAntilles: Got to make up for the broken and revamped karma system somehow ;-) Feb 23 09:02:53 timeless_mbp: I know everything in that link you gave me already. Feb 23 09:03:01 im looking for a way to modify the files. Feb 23 09:03:50 I want to know how to get to the root directory in my n810 from inside of windows, or inside of maemo Feb 23 09:04:01 and then change it. Feb 23 09:04:05 modify it. Feb 23 09:09:35 there is already an install for a way to change your splash screen to a thing from ATHF as well as a maemo display... Feb 23 09:10:05 is there not an ap that automatically takes a spcified image and makes it the load screen? Feb 23 09:11:46 * fcrozat wonders if gmail notifier has been ported to maemo5 Feb 23 09:11:55 Stork91: err Feb 23 09:12:04 1. copy the file from windows to your n900 Feb 23 09:12:11 s/900/810/ Feb 23 09:12:11 timeless_mbp meant: 1. copy the file from windows to your n810 Feb 23 09:12:15 2. eject your n810 Feb 23 09:12:18 3. open xterminal Feb 23 09:12:28 4. use sudo gainroot (if it doesn't work, install rootsh) Feb 23 09:12:34 5. follow the instructions Feb 23 09:12:38 since my 3G operator bills IMAP4 (not included in internet access) and since Nokia Messaging beta trial is now over :( Feb 23 09:12:48 6. if you can't follow these instructions, then don't bother, you're going to break your device Feb 23 09:12:58 (go read a book about linux?) Feb 23 09:13:01 fcrozat: not included? Feb 23 09:13:18 fcrozat: i would make a complin Feb 23 09:13:21 complain* Feb 23 09:13:37 jacekowski: I have something like 200MB for "everything but mail" and 10MB for imap4/pop3 Feb 23 09:13:46 morning Feb 23 09:13:48 fcrozat: 200M? Feb 23 09:13:52 you can't complain, it is part of the contract Feb 23 09:13:55 fcrozat: that's like a nothing Feb 23 09:14:09 jacekowski: for 3G/EDGE, it is everything I need ;) Feb 23 09:14:21 I use DSL at home and at work Feb 23 09:14:23 i've got unlimited Feb 23 09:14:44 well, France doesn't have good competitions between 3G operators. Feb 23 09:14:45 jacekowski: with which operator? Feb 23 09:14:53 t-mobile Feb 23 09:15:00 and o2 Feb 23 09:15:18 it "should" change, but not before 18months (4th 3G operator coming, a "real" ISP becoming operator, not a telco becoming ISP) Feb 23 09:16:03 1.2? anyone? Feb 23 09:17:24 jacekowski: lucky you Feb 23 09:18:07 yesterday one of Polish operators called me with offer which had trilions of free minutes, free calls to other galaxies but internet at 10000000USD per 1KB Feb 23 09:18:15 enable rd mode to gain root priviledges Feb 23 09:18:47 hrw: and you shouted "Spierdalaj" at them? Feb 23 09:19:04 currently, orange france is billing internet as "0.5€ / session (20min time)" when you don't pay a "limited unlimited 3G internet" access Feb 23 09:19:15 tybollt: I was more polite Feb 23 09:19:34 hrw: no reason to be polite w/ telephone salesmen Feb 23 09:19:36 * fcrozat is fortunate to have an old contract for 200MB 3G access for 9€ per month, used in deduction from my prepaid card Feb 23 09:22:09 anyone know what rd mode is? Feb 23 09:22:37 Stork91: research&development Feb 23 09:22:42 Stork91: install rootsh Feb 23 09:22:48 Stork91: that will let you be root Feb 23 09:22:48 Stork91: if you have to ask then do not enable it Feb 23 09:23:12 he wants root Feb 23 09:23:29 so he should go to HAM and install rootsh Feb 23 09:23:39 ... seriously, all I want to do is change a boot screen. I know this was something popular to do, and something many people have done / want to do. Why is there not a simpler way to do this? Feb 23 09:24:03 huh I think I saw an app for changing boot logo Feb 23 09:24:08 wait bud Feb 23 09:24:26 like step one: create a folder in .documents Feb 23 09:24:51 step two: put a 800x480 image in there and name it (the long name here) Feb 23 09:25:07 step three: run this app Feb 23 09:25:13 bootscreen changed. Feb 23 09:25:27 not pretty. But it works. Feb 23 09:25:55 what is the appname Feb 23 09:26:29 ye Feb 23 09:26:33 there you go Feb 23 09:26:35 I have it Feb 23 09:26:38 Stork91: step 1. use the guidelines from my deb as a guide to build your own deb Feb 23 09:26:41 is it for the n810? Feb 23 09:26:42 step 2. build your deb Feb 23 09:26:46 step 3. install the deb Feb 23 09:26:53 ... Feb 23 09:26:54 nice, simple, easy to follow, doesn't require root Feb 23 09:27:01 and i gave you that outline hours ago Feb 23 09:27:12 the deb is an outline Feb 23 09:27:14 there is a package for this Feb 23 09:27:15 I am in South korea on a work computer and the n810 is the only access i have atm until i save enouhg money to build a new rig ehre. Feb 23 09:27:18 I am teaching english. Feb 23 09:27:18 Bootscreen Feb 23 09:27:25 I have no way to dual boot my work computer. Feb 23 09:27:27 Thanks. Feb 23 09:27:27 use the "bootscreen" package ok? Feb 23 09:28:08 tybollt where is this package? Feb 23 09:34:23 http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootscreen/ Feb 23 09:34:27 Stork91: in the maemo repostirories Feb 23 09:34:34 looking for something working on the n810 Feb 23 09:34:46 ehr, spellink not so gut from ze me of today Feb 23 09:37:39 ... Feb 23 09:38:16 I am looking for a way to easily chanve the bootscreen on a Nokia n810. Feb 23 09:38:21 Not a n900. Feb 23 09:38:29 Package does not work. Feb 23 09:38:42 or does it? Feb 23 09:39:04 says maemo 5 Feb 23 09:39:10 so im assuming it DOESNT Feb 23 09:39:19 so I need something that does. Feb 23 09:41:02 The n810 uses a image. Not a video. Feb 23 09:45:55 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/bootscreen/0.1/ Feb 23 09:46:04 could anyone tell me how to use this on a n810? Feb 23 09:59:12 I am looking for a way to change the bootscreen on an n810. Feb 23 09:59:21 I know which files to change. Feb 23 09:59:34 I know what the files i change them to have to be, and the resolution. Feb 23 09:59:40 I can see them in gpe. Feb 23 09:59:51 I just want an easy way to change them. Feb 23 10:02:21 cannot install the bootscreen package. In compatible package. Feb 23 10:02:31 so im gussing it is for maemo 5 and not 4 Feb 23 10:02:32 yay Feb 23 10:02:53 the fremantle part should have given it aaway Feb 23 10:03:08 Im new Feb 23 10:04:37 I also barely know anything at all about maemo Feb 23 10:04:47 hell i barely am familiar with anything linux Feb 23 10:05:29 and ignoring me until I say it didnt work and then throwing it in my face that something should have given it away is not condusive to expanding a community or solving a problem. Feb 23 10:06:18 I'm not sure either is the point anyway Feb 23 10:06:23 .. wtf :P Feb 23 10:06:29 Stork91: go read talk.maemo.org Feb 23 10:06:43 and search for boot screen or splash screen Feb 23 10:07:30 stskeeps: have been. And so far what i can get from it is that everything and its mother is geared toward maemo 5 and later Feb 23 10:07:36 so im screwed if i run maemo 4 Feb 23 10:07:57 and if I have a n810 I cannot run anything higher Feb 23 10:08:39 the n810 is not longer being developed, discussed, and has, for the most part, been dropped like a whore who got too loose and old. Feb 23 10:08:52 okay, let me start out by saying that you come across as a bit rude Feb 23 10:09:12 I am a Texan. The good news is that this is the rudest I get. Feb 23 10:09:35 but if i have offended, I do not mean to. Feb 23 10:09:44 searching for splash screen diablo got me a hint in the bottom of the posts list Feb 23 10:09:51 texan? Feb 23 10:10:01 so now we're not helping you, you'll pull a shotgun on us? :) Feb 23 10:10:52 is anyone using httptunnel or something similar to get around stupid data-plan restrictions? t-mobile Germany forbids email client access, jabber,... Feb 23 10:11:00 http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/custom-splash-on-it.html may still apply Feb 23 10:11:16 "But I'm from $place" is a lame excuse for being rude tbh Feb 23 10:12:08 I come in here, after searching for hours, only to hav eyou guys use one or two words different from the words I do while trying to link me to something that is an attempt to help. Feb 23 10:12:33 Stork91: first off, this isn't a support channel Feb 23 10:12:41 you're expected to do a bunch of research yourself Feb 23 10:12:47 The link is usually for Meamo 5, which doesnt help me at all since those are videos and not images, and are in a different directory. So the packages do not helpme. Feb 23 10:13:02 the link is clearly not for maemo 5. Feb 23 10:13:03 but the one or two words that were different send me on another search for 2-3 hours Feb 23 10:13:07 the url i just pasted helps. Feb 23 10:13:08 I then come back in here. Feb 23 10:13:18 But as ive told you im on windows. Feb 23 10:13:21 which means it doesnt. Feb 23 10:13:24 at all. Feb 23 10:13:28 and ive read that page 5 times. Feb 23 10:13:30 why not? Feb 23 10:13:58 .. Feb 23 10:13:58 winscp, dude Feb 23 10:14:02 "Another way to cutomise your Internet Tablet, splash screens for your n770 or n800. No more nasty Nokia logo and those weird hands. This is just like custom icons on your IT. Again, this is meant for Ubuntu and Debian users. (Windows users can actually do these steps by using Putty. Which I have no experience with :( ) These are the splashes I use on my 770, but if have some you'd like to share, drop me a link in a comment and I'll try and put them up for the Feb 23 10:14:07 im not on my personal computer Feb 23 10:14:11 but on one at work Feb 23 10:14:17 you're just having to use putty (or winscp or any other application that scp's from windows) instead of gftp Feb 23 10:14:19 hell, im not even on an English OS Feb 23 10:14:25 the article even suggests that Feb 23 10:14:39 putty might as well be written in a different language for me. Feb 23 10:15:08 so in fact the link you have does perfectly help you, you just dont know how to use the tools it tells you to use Feb 23 10:15:12 Stork91: if you can't handle advanced changes, why are you trying to change your boot screen? it's not a supported feature Feb 23 10:15:27 and taht sends me down another path of searching, finding, and ultimately going to both a different group of guys that will treat me same. Feb 23 10:15:30 and so would get much further by just asking how to use putty, than dismissing the guide as "useless" because you dont know how to follow it. Feb 23 10:15:47 Ok, any idea how to use putty? Feb 23 10:15:54 use winscp Feb 23 10:16:01 sure, i use it on a daily basis, winscp is easier though Feb 23 10:16:07 it is like windows explorer and you have to be an idiot not to understand to use it Feb 23 10:16:11 :P Feb 23 10:16:13 it looks and acts exactly like any ftp client except it uses scp Feb 23 10:21:30 ok Feb 23 10:21:33 installed Feb 23 10:21:49 so how do i get this to see the root of the device? Feb 23 10:22:20 install the openssh-server package from extras Feb 23 10:25:50 unable to install openssh Feb 23 10:26:01 application is incompatible with currentsoftware Feb 23 10:26:16 got dropbear installed? Feb 23 10:26:27 no. Feb 23 10:26:52 flash diablo Feb 23 10:26:52 :P Feb 23 10:27:09 and don't add fremantle extras repositories Feb 23 10:27:51 I havent added any Feb 23 10:28:22 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dropbear/ Feb 23 10:28:28 this what I need? Feb 23 10:29:34 no, openssh-server Feb 23 10:29:39 and flash diablo, what version are you on? Feb 23 10:30:23 doesnt flashing diablo reset everything? Feb 23 10:30:51 why should you not add freemantel extras ? Feb 23 10:31:16 oly: on diablo? Feb 23 10:31:27 Stork91: yes, but you're obviously on an ancient version Feb 23 10:32:12 no idea what diablo is Feb 23 10:32:24 is that a version before freemantle then ? Feb 23 10:32:28 diablo is maemo4.1.2 Feb 23 10:32:51 okay, all makes sense now :) Feb 23 10:57:21 moo? Feb 23 10:58:41 apt-get Feb 23 11:00:59 hi, is there any way to check whether my n900 is running the latest software? Feb 23 11:01:19 he, loving this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7576, went from "cant reproduce" to "fixed in xx" to "wontfix" >_< Feb 23 11:01:21 Bug 7576: Capitalization on smileys lost Feb 23 11:03:21 pta0007: yes Feb 23 11:03:33 graphical smileys must die Feb 23 11:03:41 +1 Feb 23 11:03:43 +2 Feb 23 11:03:58 hey does someone know an api to find a contact name for a number in python? Feb 23 11:04:00 asj_:how then? Feb 23 11:04:55 pta0007: run the app manager Feb 23 11:04:59 and click "Update" Feb 23 11:05:05 pillar_: low level you should be able to directly ask the database, but maybe there's an rtcomm python binding? Feb 23 11:05:17 no rtcomm python bindings Feb 23 11:05:28 and python-evolution is lacking the querystuff from what ive seen Feb 23 11:05:39 but if you find a way, please let me know pillar Feb 23 11:05:57 Corsac: yeah I'm hoping something higher level, I don't have any python experience but had a nice idea to modify a script that I found Feb 23 11:06:24 frals: will do Feb 23 11:06:29 pillar_: are you the same guy who asked how to do this using ctypes on the talk.maemo.org? :) Feb 23 11:06:49 asj_:thx :) Feb 23 11:07:02 i tried doing it with ctypes but got stuck when i had to pass a gboolean to the libosso-abook method and never got it working :p Feb 23 11:07:02 lizardo: nope, pillar there as well Feb 23 11:07:45 pillar_: I had the same problem when wanted to import sms from an xml files Feb 23 11:08:12 I didn't want to parse xml files in C at first, so I wanted to use python, but then would have had problems doing the searches and import Feb 23 11:08:19 pillar_: so there is interest by more than one person on this... see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44929&highlight=ctypes Feb 23 11:08:30 I ended up doing it in C, based on the smsimport.c I found on tmo Feb 23 11:09:00 fuck yeah Feb 23 11:09:09 Tomb Raider runs now with about 10-15 FPS Feb 23 11:09:33 pillar_: I'll cook up something later, but in the meanwhile, if you are interested, you can try using ctypes+libabook to get the information, based on this tutorial : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings Feb 23 11:10:10 lizardo: let me know if your cooking starts to smell good :) Feb 23 11:10:47 I might need to wait for someone else do the groundwork, python is a new experience for me Feb 23 11:11:07 Tomb Raider? :O Feb 23 11:11:17 someone should work on an N64 emu first Feb 23 11:11:24 PSX isos are so big >.> Feb 23 11:11:26 cant wait for lizardos cookbook on how to do it properly, will speed up fMMS quite a bit i think :P Feb 23 11:11:49 Any recommendations on how to get the usbserial driver for the N900/Fremantle? Feb 23 11:12:04 you mean g_serial, cos usb host doesn't work Feb 23 11:12:29 frals: how are you know doing the contact integration in fmms? Feb 23 11:12:40 ugly as hell, sec Feb 23 11:12:48 http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/trees/master Feb 23 11:12:52 Does usbserial really necessitate USB host mode? Feb 23 11:12:54 lizardo: see, you already have many fans :) Feb 23 11:12:57 yes Feb 23 11:13:03 contacts.py is what you want to look at, with some dialogstuff in fmms_sender_ui.py Feb 23 11:13:24 SpeedEvil: Interesting. Then what is the client side driver? Feb 23 11:13:42 basically i load a bunch of numbers and the name in to a dict.. which, needless to say, is slow :P Feb 23 11:14:18 lupu: you mean to connect a USB serial device? Feb 23 11:14:33 lup: or to connect as if the n900 is a usb serial device Feb 23 11:15:08 SpeedEvil: The other side is an AVR controller that I can run either in USB host or client mode. I just need to send/receive serial data with it and the N900. Feb 23 11:15:25 you need to run it in USB host mode then. Feb 23 11:15:34 Are you sure it can do host - many onlt do device. Feb 23 11:16:01 then use the serial USB gadget driver - so the n900 acts like a serial device Feb 23 11:17:03 http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ Feb 23 11:18:32 SpeedEvil: That seems to be what I need. Feb 23 11:19:50 BT may also be an alternative Feb 23 11:20:18 SpeedEvil: That would be a rather unpleasant alternative. Feb 23 11:21:46 frals: are there some documentation for evolution? Feb 23 11:22:10 I'll look into the USB gadget driver, thanks. Feb 23 11:22:13 not really no Feb 23 11:22:31 http://commandline.org.uk/python/three-useful-python-bindings/ Feb 23 11:22:35 thats what i based it on iirc Feb 23 11:23:05 hey frals ;-) Feb 23 11:23:29 o/ Feb 23 11:26:25 frals would this maybe work for a phonenumber as well or only names? r = addresses.search('Zeth') Feb 23 11:28:18 * Arif_ blinks Feb 23 11:28:47 Still no upgrade for the UK1 way. ;-) Feb 23 11:29:20 pillar: only numbers from my experience Feb 23 11:31:30 frals: you mean names? Feb 23 11:32:15 Stskeeps: no, I will not stop worrying, NEVARH!11 Feb 23 11:32:29 tybollt: here, have this pill.. Feb 23 11:32:29 :P Feb 23 11:32:34 ;D Feb 23 11:32:46 Stskeeps: nice piece on tmo though... Feb 23 11:33:18 13:15 < SpeedEvil> Are you sure it can do host - many onlt do device. Feb 23 11:33:20 meh, it's my job, even though i wrote it in my 'free time' Feb 23 11:33:21 :P Feb 23 11:33:34 SpeedEvil: Oh my... you're right. The controller I ordered only does OTG, not full host mode. Feb 23 11:34:02 well, OTG is a superset of host mode, isn't it? Feb 23 11:34:18 it's the ability to switch from guest to host mode, afair? Feb 23 11:34:27 so if OTG works, pure host mode should work too Feb 23 11:35:12 Corsac: That was going to be my next question. I know host mode requires rather intensive power feeds, which the controller wouldn't handle, but other than that I can't imagine a reason for not handling it. Feb 23 11:37:32 ...but my lack of imagination itself is no proof that there wouldn't be a technical limitation ;) Feb 23 11:38:30 lupu: can you supply 100mA charging current? Feb 23 11:39:31 lupu: and you know that dealing with usb serial will be several orders of magnitude harder than serial? Feb 23 11:41:10 the AVR should have a set of libraries to deal with USB and provide more of the USB functions for you Feb 23 11:46:35 Well - no. Feb 23 11:46:48 Many embedded processors don't. Feb 23 11:47:11 They may come with some example code to do one particular thing. Feb 23 11:47:29 But they generally do not come with a full suite of libraries abstracting all the hardware in them. Feb 23 11:48:18 You're supposed to do it yourself - and in the case of micros with 1 or 2K of ROM - that can be the only way some apps will fit. Feb 23 11:49:07 has anyone built qtify for maemo? Feb 23 11:52:12 frals: wassup. I'm using your fMMS. nice job, man! Feb 23 11:52:58 frals: indeed - if I ever had the urge to send or recieve a mms, I would thank you deeply! Feb 23 12:02:05 SpeedEvil: Indeed, using UART would be another option if the other side(N900) would support it. Feb 23 12:03:12 All USB/UART adapters I've seen assume USB Device role, which wouldn't help much in this case. Feb 23 12:03:33 the easiest solution is a bt->serial adaptor. Feb 23 12:03:37 Not cheap though Feb 23 12:05:31 Well, the whole purpose of the project is to learn new things, so I'm not immediately drawn away by a "level of difficulty", to put it. On the other hand, I also intend to finish the project, which leaves me not wanting to do everything by hand from ground up. Feb 23 12:08:59 im running 5.2008.43-7 Feb 23 12:09:12 that is the version number on my os Feb 23 12:09:25 sorry for the delay in response, I was giving another test / playing go fish with kids. Feb 23 12:10:23 it listerally says OS5.2008.43-7 Feb 23 12:10:41 hello room Feb 23 12:10:57 OS version: 5.2008.43-7 Feb 23 12:12:32 Maybe CDC would be an option on the N900? Hmm... Feb 23 12:14:09 oh well.. qtify won't even compile against current libspotify Feb 23 12:15:17 i don't understand why it's so difficult to make a decent spotify client Feb 23 12:15:33 there are tons of lastfm ones already for maemo Feb 23 12:15:44 Stskeeps: I have the latest version already on here. Feb 23 12:17:52 man, wifi switcher makes a massive difference to battery life Feb 23 12:18:08 how? Feb 23 12:18:21 so, does anyone know why this happened to my device http://i48.tinypic.com/a9fzr.png Feb 23 12:18:30 its doubling my battery life keeping wifi disabled when its not being actively used Feb 23 12:18:34 you r talking about the "connection swictcher" applet? Feb 23 12:19:05 no, wifi switcher in testing, to disable wlan entirely Feb 23 12:19:08 ab3339, wifi-switcher, it's in -testing afair(emember) Feb 23 12:19:17 ^ Feb 23 12:20:09 muhammadag: u mean the "unknown" strings? Feb 23 12:20:12 seems odd that the n900's handling of wifi is so hideously inefficient that even when it's just on standby but available it halves the device's battery life :\ Feb 23 12:20:32 trying to talk to the people at maemo about anything is like pulling your own teeth out with two steak knives by pinching them together tightly and hopingfor the best. Feb 23 12:20:38 do you have powersaving disabled nid0? Feb 23 12:20:39 your going to bleed, youre going to go insane, and if anything comes of it, it will be because you said f#$% it, possibly break something, and managed to get one thing done at the cost of everything else. Feb 23 12:20:50 no, powersaving enabled and tx set to 10mw Feb 23 12:20:55 <3 Feb 23 12:21:10 nid0: what battery life do you get? Feb 23 12:21:22 with it set like that i get about 24 hours of battery life with light usage and the phone in range of wifi constantly, but not running im, not auto checking mail, and just updating weather every 4 hours Feb 23 12:21:31 stork91: really? Feb 23 12:21:34 :) Feb 23 12:21:35 Im going to figure out hwo to change my bootscreen on my n810 if it takes me forever. Feb 23 12:21:53 with wifi switcher being used and disabling wlan when im not actively using it, im up to just under 48 hours now so far, with battery at 18% Feb 23 12:22:18 I have no idea how to get to my root. I am Using windows xp on a work computer. I am using an n810, and I do not know how to access the root. Feb 23 12:22:20 nid0: Do you care though? Feb 23 12:22:32 nid0: what's wrong with charging it while you're asleep? Feb 23 12:22:41 all I want to do is change 2 images in a folder. Feb 23 12:22:57 nothing, but legs are nice and it's just odd that purely having wifi available halves the battery life Feb 23 12:23:02 my battery life ends in just about 2 hours when i am constantly on the internet chatting and surfing Feb 23 12:23:07 so... Feb 23 12:23:16 is there a way to display nicknames in conversations? Feb 23 12:23:27 which is quite astonishing, having come to my n900 from an e90 which could happily last the best part of a week with wifi available 24/7 Feb 23 12:23:31 nid0: Are you sure your AP supports power save polling? Feb 23 12:23:45 Stork91: "the root"? Feb 23 12:23:56 it does Feb 23 12:24:23 I want to change my bootscreen from the hands to an image. Feb 23 12:24:33 Stork91: yeah i got that part Feb 23 12:24:34 I am on a n810, and I have to do this from windows. Feb 23 12:24:51 Stork91: you are going to need to do it on the device Feb 23 12:24:53 if you have root enabled and ssh you can use putty in windows Feb 23 12:24:58 ab3339, yes, I get in about product and in the output of set | grep OSSO Feb 23 12:24:59 3g drains battery quicker, Feb 23 12:25:06 I do not know how to use putty. Feb 23 12:25:17 Ali1234: how? Feb 23 12:25:21 or filezilla if its just ti move files Feb 23 12:25:22 ah yes, and those figures are with 3g disabled. Feb 23 12:25:24 I haven't experienced any noticeable changes in battery time if I have WLAN idling vs off. Feb 23 12:25:40 ali1234: how do i do that on the device itself? Feb 23 12:25:41 ...although I haven't specifically tried to find a difference there, but if it were to half the battery time, I would have noticed it. Feb 23 12:25:45 Stork91: install the package that gives you root access and then do it in the terminal Feb 23 12:25:59 ali1234: how do i do it in terminal? Feb 23 12:26:07 Stork91: don't know off hand Feb 23 12:26:12 install rootsh Feb 23 12:26:19 via application manager Feb 23 12:26:25 you need to enable the maemo.org repo Feb 23 12:26:33 then in xterm, use sudo gainroot Feb 23 12:27:05 Stork91: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=120352&postcount=20 Feb 23 12:27:18 Stork91: i dunno if that is the right and tested way, it's what i found on google Feb 23 12:27:34 Stork91: if you have trouble on a specific step i can try to help you Feb 23 12:27:47 lupu I cant say I was specifically trying either, and the 24 hour battery life i've been getting seems roughly what id expect with relatively light/moderate usage and 3g disabled going by other people's reports, with the device in range of configured wifi ap's essentially the whole time Feb 23 12:28:10 i'm just suprised that i've now managed double that with wifi disabled when not using it Feb 23 12:29:12 MohammadAG: -> reflash ? Feb 23 12:29:22 tybollt, reflashed yesterday Feb 23 12:30:00 same problem, before and after the reflash (well directly after the reflash it worked, after restoring settings, it didn't) Feb 23 12:30:40 mmm Feb 23 12:30:48 wyrd Feb 23 12:31:57 tybollt, would you mind pasting a copy of your /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh Feb 23 12:32:00 file Feb 23 12:32:16 sure Feb 23 12:32:42 you want my credit card numbers to go with that? Feb 23 12:32:59 that'd be pretty handy, thanks Feb 23 12:33:10 lol Feb 23 12:33:37 goddammit it's cold today. Feb 23 12:35:37 ugh it's 31 lines dude Feb 23 12:35:44 I'd have to ssh into the fscker to paste that Feb 23 12:35:46 :S Feb 23 12:35:58 use microb and pastebin? Feb 23 12:36:07 well, can you check something for me? Feb 23 12:36:30 here's my file, it should expire in 10 minutes http://pastebin.com/aKmUeCM7 Feb 23 12:36:47 it has /scratchbox in it, which is kind of weird Feb 23 12:37:16 looks about right dun it? Feb 23 12:37:29 but oh well let me login and find out for ya Feb 23 12:37:33 blasted =) Feb 23 12:37:41 thanks :) Feb 23 12:37:45 line 106 btw Feb 23 12:38:06 just cat /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh | grep /scratchbox Feb 23 12:38:24 fwiw, mine references scratchbox Feb 23 12:41:22 afk for a bit Feb 23 12:43:31 can we run openswan on the n900 ? Feb 23 12:44:22 ali1234: remove 'qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png' ? y Feb 23 12:44:39 Can anyone point me at the script in early boot that execs a script if the keyboard is slid out? Feb 23 12:44:49 ali1234: cannot remove 'qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png' : permission denied Feb 23 12:45:37 what am I missing that gives me the permission to edit the root? Feb 23 12:47:28 danielwilms: ping? Feb 23 12:47:39 I repeat a question I asked at the start of this inquery to this channel, how do I enable rd? Feb 23 12:48:45 Stork: easiest to get root is to install gainroot (in repositories already?) Feb 23 12:48:54 and then: sudo gainroot to become root. Feb 23 12:49:05 I can do sudo gainroot Feb 23 12:49:29 ive already spent 8 hours reading hwo to try to do this, mind just linking me? Feb 23 12:49:29 SpeedEvil: /sbin/preinit Feb 23 12:49:31 ah, but the root...hmm, it's in flash, yes. Feb 23 12:49:43 SpeedEvil: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html Feb 23 12:50:45 Is Thomas Tanner here ? Feb 23 12:51:20 marmoute: he's t-tan fyi Feb 23 12:51:26 Stork91: then you can't easily do it. Feb 23 12:51:44 ... Feb 23 12:51:46 no shit. Feb 23 12:52:36 lbt_: thx Feb 23 12:52:48 fiferboy pong Feb 23 12:54:25 thnaks Feb 23 12:54:27 ;b Feb 23 12:54:30 l Feb 23 12:56:08 Stork91: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 is a start. Feb 23 12:56:50 you probably need to customize an image and flash it. Feb 23 12:57:30 fiferboy sorry, have to go to a meeting...will be back in an hour! Feb 23 12:58:14 Hello every body ! Feb 23 12:58:48 can't remember where you find the current image. Feb 23 13:00:09 ... Feb 23 13:00:11 maemo 4 Feb 23 13:00:14 uh, might be wrong here. Feb 23 13:00:14 maemo 4 Feb 23 13:00:21 oh, maemo 4. Feb 23 13:00:47 second tie youve pointed me to maemo 5 today though. Feb 23 13:00:57 I appreciate the attempt at help though atleast Feb 23 13:01:10 Stork91: you were root when you tried to delete the images? Feb 23 13:01:15 would you happen to know how to enable rd mode Feb 23 13:01:29 no Feb 23 13:01:30 I was in the directory where the files were Feb 23 13:01:46 All i need to know now is how to enable that. Feb 23 13:01:47 ... Feb 23 13:01:49 i think Feb 23 13:01:50 hope Feb 23 13:01:51 pray Feb 23 13:02:01 no, rd mode will not help you Feb 23 13:02:13 it will just make your battery wear out faster Feb 23 13:02:20 Khertan: Hello Dr Nick! Feb 23 13:02:48 enabling it for a shor ttime to allow me to change the file isnt possible? Feb 23 13:02:54 no Feb 23 13:03:00 cause that is all that blocks me from changing this. Feb 23 13:03:01 .. Feb 23 13:03:04 gay. Feb 23 13:03:08 it won't give you any greater permission than you had before Feb 23 13:03:22 tybollt: Dr Nick ? Feb 23 13:04:08 ive saved the intructions on how to do this tonight... Feb 23 13:04:47 what do i have to do in order to midify the root? Feb 23 13:04:56 All i need to do is change out two files. Feb 23 13:05:02 THATS ALL Feb 23 13:05:09 what's the problem? Feb 23 13:05:22 I want to change the hands bootscreen image. Feb 23 13:05:24 Khertan: you don't watch simpson much - do you? Feb 23 13:05:33 Stork91: in maemo 4 Feb 23 13:05:37 yes. Feb 23 13:05:37 simpsons Feb 23 13:05:42 Stork91: all you need to do is be root when you copy over the new files Feb 23 13:05:45 thats all Ive wanted to do for 8 hours now. Feb 23 13:06:01 I was in root. Feb 23 13:06:08 and? Feb 23 13:06:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=120352&postcount=20 Feb 23 13:06:23 tybollt: ah ... it s not the same name in france :) Feb 23 13:06:36 Khertan: :P Feb 23 13:06:44 h"h" Feb 23 13:06:45 héhé Feb 23 13:07:03 I can't imagine simpsons dubbed in grenoullie :P Feb 23 13:07:04 when i type in "sude gainroot" I get a message taht says "enable rd mode to gain root privilages" Feb 23 13:07:23 tybollt: grenouille :) Feb 23 13:07:36 i still typed cd /usr/sahre/icons/hicolor/scalablehildon/ Feb 23 13:07:45 Stork91: try ssh root@localhost, maybe Feb 23 13:07:46 it went there. Feb 23 13:07:53 Stork91, rootsh Feb 23 13:08:00 Stork91: you're obviously not root, though Feb 23 13:08:07 then I typed rm *startup_nokia_logo.png Feb 23 13:08:17 I got the confirmation and typed yes Feb 23 13:08:30 but you weren't root, so nothing happened Feb 23 13:08:49 rm: cannot remove '(file name here).png' : permision denied. Feb 23 13:09:16 :/ Feb 23 13:09:25 Stork91: you're obviously not root, though Feb 23 13:09:26 ok so how do i try ssh root@localhost ? Feb 23 13:09:51 no no no Feb 23 13:10:11 if you seen that rd mode message when trying to sudo gainroot it means you did not install the package that gives you root Feb 23 13:10:51 so which package do i need to become root? Feb 23 13:10:55 rootsh Feb 23 13:12:03 is there a way to install this without using the .install? Feb 23 13:12:09 yes, use the application manager Feb 23 13:12:10 I dont ahve a wifi handy Feb 23 13:12:13 tybollt: as homer said here : Espèce de sale pitit ! Feb 23 13:12:18 oh, then no, not really Feb 23 13:12:20 use the application manager on what? Feb 23 13:12:24 on the n810 Feb 23 13:12:24 lol. Feb 23 13:12:41 ok, so this will have to wiat till tomorrow then after i install rootsh then. Feb 23 13:12:42 ;-p Feb 23 13:13:03 if you already had rootsh installed, you could get the deb file and install manually with dpkg Feb 23 13:13:09 but since you don't, you can't Feb 23 13:13:29 nice Feb 23 13:13:30 lol Feb 23 13:13:36 hi all... anyone know why there's still no 3.2010.02-8 fw update for the n900 in the uk? everywhere else got it on the 16th... Feb 23 13:13:59 no, nobody knows why... Feb 23 13:14:10 yeah, I got it on a pre-production but my wife hasn't Feb 23 13:14:22 well, thats my dead end for tonight. Feb 23 13:14:28 you get it if you have the global firmware installed Feb 23 13:14:28 is it worth flashing and using global? or should i wait Feb 23 13:14:36 areay, fwiw I never saw the pr1.0.1 and pr1.1 updates in my HAM Feb 23 13:14:37 goodnight guys, and stay class san fran Feb 23 13:14:42 maybe the bugs it fixes are not present in the UK firmware? Feb 23 13:14:52 I may be on from home where i can bum a wifi. Feb 23 13:14:54 you could install deb withtout wifi Feb 23 13:14:54 ttyl Feb 23 13:14:59 areay, then I discovered that HAM doesn't show firmware updates if it thinks it cannot install them, e.g. you replaced some OS package with an alternative Feb 23 13:15:05 with the app manager in red pill on maemo 4 Feb 23 13:15:23 ... red pill Feb 23 13:15:29 areay - definitely flash to global, imo Feb 23 13:15:31 ill get that tonight as well Feb 23 13:15:32 lol Feb 23 13:15:33 mgedmin: This, actually, is only partially true Feb 23 13:15:39 doesn't the N810 have red pill mode? Feb 23 13:15:54 the n810 have a HAM red pill mode Feb 23 13:16:03 (afaik only the N900 (51-1 and above) had it removed) Feb 23 13:16:11 so I can do this from here? Feb 23 13:16:19 then Stork91 can download the deb and install it Feb 23 13:16:28 can anyone point me to the .deb ? Feb 23 13:16:41 mgedmin: Sometimes it shows the update but refuses to install it without stating the reason why Feb 23 13:16:42 nid0, is there any uk-specific stuff i'm gonna lose? Feb 23 13:16:58 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.1/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb Feb 23 13:17:04 no - as far as anyone (including me) can tell, theres zero difference between the uk and global firmwares Feb 23 13:17:08 assuming I got the OS right Feb 23 13:17:08 RST38h, well, for me it didn't show any updates, although I could try apt-get dist-upgrade -n in xterm and see new kernel and lots of other things Feb 23 13:17:10 I reflashed Feb 23 13:17:13 sweet i'll give it a go Feb 23 13:17:16 other than the fact that nokia suck and wont release updates for the uk firmware. Feb 23 13:17:19 Khertan: tres bien Feb 23 13:17:25 haha Feb 23 13:17:34 nid0, AFAIU the rootfs image has no country-specific things; the MMC image has them Feb 23 13:18:03 olrite, everyone voting to change the name of MER to MEH... join me now ;) Feb 23 13:18:05 mgedmin, there's only one vanilla eMMC image Feb 23 13:18:11 yep Feb 23 13:18:11 mgedmin: You probably do not wanna do dist-upgrade =) Feb 23 13:18:20 RST38h, that's that I thought too, so I reflashed Feb 23 13:18:33 mgedmin: For me, removing libqt packages worked Feb 23 13:18:37 RST38h, found that out the hard way lol Feb 23 13:18:42 what's wrong with dist-upgrade? Feb 23 13:18:46 mgedmin: then I updated with apt-get install Feb 23 13:18:54 areay, things could break Feb 23 13:18:55 it rendered my device unbootable Feb 23 13:19:06 mgedmin, ah... there's me apt'ing like crazy Feb 23 13:19:12 as a uk user you still wont get the upgrade from it anyway Feb 23 13:19:17 http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html Feb 23 13:19:23 an old link Feb 23 13:19:25 well, the fix is reflashing, so "reflashing to avoid apt-get dist-upgrade breakage" is kind of silly Feb 23 13:19:38 then again if it turns out you'll need to reflash, you'd save time by avoiding the dist-upgrade Feb 23 13:19:42 * RST38h hates reflashing Feb 23 13:20:04 areay, apt-get install should be safe, unless you replace/remove core system packages Feb 23 13:20:08 * MohammadAG hates restoring apps Feb 23 13:20:13 tbh, reflashing the n900 is about as painless as any phone ever has been Feb 23 13:20:28 * mgedmin never reflashed any phone Feb 23 13:20:39 it's maybe less painful than, e.g. reinstalling windows Feb 23 13:20:50 not less painful than using windows tho Feb 23 13:21:07 backups generally just work (except gPodder forgets its subscriptions -- has that been fixed yet?) Feb 23 13:21:08 I hate windows Feb 23 13:21:22 it's a shame I have to use it for compatibilty on one PC Feb 23 13:21:30 i won't allow it in my office ;) Feb 23 13:21:38 i've confiscated people's windows laptops before Feb 23 13:21:50 lol Feb 23 13:21:52 the only wierd thing I find with restoring backups is that the device is somehow able to bypass requiring a pin for the sim card in the process Feb 23 13:22:59 areay: its a security risk, isnt it... ;) Feb 23 13:24:18 gouverneur, yup... exactly; flawed by design :) Feb 23 13:26:18 anyone got a link for the maemo-flasher and the new fw? i had it yesterday but lost it... and don't wanna go digging thru my history Feb 23 13:27:15 ok Feb 23 13:27:17 I installed it Feb 23 13:27:22 and i think ideleted it in the root Feb 23 13:27:38 but now it wont change the directory of the new file to the root... Feb 23 13:27:49 which basically means it wont boot now after i restart afaik Feb 23 13:31:24 areay, tablets-dev.nokia.com ? Feb 23 13:32:44 MohammadAG, that's the one, thanks ;) Feb 23 13:33:01 np :) Feb 23 13:40:09 Just fucking worked Feb 23 13:40:19 ali1234: I love you. Feb 23 13:40:23 No realy. Feb 23 13:40:32 heh, thanks :) Feb 23 13:40:47 If ali is your name, and youre a chick... well... I would find a way through medical science to carry your kids. Feb 23 13:41:00 if youre a guy, offers off the table cause thats gay. Feb 23 13:41:03 ;-p Feb 23 13:41:06 <3 Feb 23 13:41:58 areay, i got my update to 2010-02-8 in the UK Feb 23 13:42:06 Stork91: http://beeroverip.org/about/ Feb 23 13:43:00 something abotu that scream nsfw Feb 23 13:43:35 areay, my isp when i got it was bethere but i have one of the maemo summit loaner units Feb 23 13:43:51 I will check it from home on my n810 Feb 23 13:43:56 Peace out! Feb 23 13:44:01 Seriously, thanks a ton man. Feb 23 13:45:32 zaheerm, ah yeah the summit ones update i think... mine's with vodafone and it wouldn't surprise me if it's still in QC at vodafone Feb 23 13:45:56 Does there is maemo package expert here ? Feb 23 13:46:15 areay, a reason not to get phones from carriers Feb 23 13:46:27 Khertan: expert may be a bit bold, but if you ask your question, you may get an answer. Feb 23 13:46:34 :) Feb 23 13:46:37 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 <--- Feb 23 13:46:38 Bug 9218: Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email Feb 23 13:46:43 question in last comment Feb 23 13:46:54 thx for help :) Feb 23 13:47:26 zaheerm: not here. Feb 23 13:48:12 Khertan: take a look at this now: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/ The bugtracker link looks fixed. Feb 23 13:49:07 but .... when i read comment #3 ... it s claimed that it s not the right field used Feb 23 13:49:11 zaheerm, one of many :P Feb 23 13:50:20 Khertan: i dont really ge the comment either, as it all looks like it's good to me. Feb 23 13:50:59 hum ... this problem will make me crazy ! Feb 23 13:51:16 i'm trying to push my game to extras since 2 weeks ! Feb 23 13:51:42 one day more, and it ll take more time to do the packaging than the developpment ! Feb 23 13:52:28 hmmm Feb 23 13:52:33 I seem to have the battery problem too Feb 23 13:52:33 anyone know how i can build-depend on a specific version of something? using (= version) doesn't work in builder Feb 23 13:52:34 :D Feb 23 13:53:25 * Khertan think that it s more simple to make it s own repository than trying to push things to extras Feb 23 13:54:08 Khertan: Welcome to reality :) Feb 23 13:54:16 gniagniagnia ! Feb 23 13:54:23 * Khertan is angry ! Feb 23 13:54:57 Khertan: you shoul pÃ¥lay with symbian signed for a little bit :) Feb 23 13:55:19 Khertan, true, but for your users it's easier to get things from extras Feb 23 13:55:19 i ve play with it .... result on : "avoid that plateform" Feb 23 13:55:26 extras might feel better afterwards Feb 23 13:55:39 the extras-devel -> extras hurdle might be too difficult, though Feb 23 13:55:40 Khertan: :) Feb 23 13:55:41 Khertan: merde! Sacre bleu! Putain! Feb 23 13:55:50 I hate random one-person's repositories that always conflict with everything else Feb 23 13:56:32 yep ... but a well made repository with python apps doesn't conflict with anythings Feb 23 13:56:50 or maybe i should just do a simple installer apps push to extras Feb 23 13:58:02 or just upload to -devel push to testing, get it tested and then promote? Feb 23 13:59:13 Well, a well made app has no problem being in extras ;-) Feb 23 14:01:06 Khertan, personal repo for personal testing == goodness Feb 23 14:01:10 extras-devel for everyone else Feb 23 14:01:22 let the community push it to extras if they like it a lot Feb 23 14:01:29 mgedmin: personnal repo test == OK Feb 23 14:01:36 am I a bad person for suggesting this? Feb 23 14:02:03 my couple attempts of "let's look for good apps in extras-testing and help them along to get into extras" failed Feb 23 14:02:13 I stared at the list and couldn't decide what I should do next Feb 23 14:02:17 lol Feb 23 14:02:38 I voted a for a few... openpvn, rsync, 3g/2g/dual mode switcher.. Feb 23 14:02:39 e.g. xchat -- is it extras-worthy? no kinetic scrolling, crashes if you try to open preferences Feb 23 14:02:48 I think the crash is fixed Feb 23 14:02:51 but I use it anyway and find it better than not to have an irc client at all Feb 23 14:02:58 yeah, I last looked at the extras process a while ago Feb 23 14:03:01 mgedmin: it crashes? really? Feb 23 14:03:02 * mgedmin sighs Feb 23 14:03:02 crash is long since fixed in xchat afaict Feb 23 14:03:07 RST38h, used to Feb 23 14:03:08 web ui ... QA TEsting on extras-testing FAIL Feb 23 14:03:12 uh, ui/ux stuff shouldnt block an app from getting to extras afaik Feb 23 14:03:17 it s a real pain Feb 23 14:03:21 mgedmin: Have you actually TRIED the last version? Feb 23 14:03:38 * RST38h sighs Feb 23 14:03:43 and of course migrate to rpm will be worse Feb 23 14:03:49 RST38h, I'm telling you about my dillemmas several months ago and why I gave up on extras-testing Feb 23 14:03:59 I didn't feel qualified to make decisions Feb 23 14:04:05 mgedmin: You have given up too early Feb 23 14:04:08 right Feb 23 14:04:11 * villemv spent a while messing with CDBS today... and is welcoming the rpm overlords Feb 23 14:04:12 I have a tendency to do that :( Feb 23 14:04:47 well at least the site is probably fast to do it now. Last i tried it was like a 30 minute process to hit "thumbs up" if you were lucky enough for it to go thru Feb 23 14:04:48 someone can give me an answer on what field should be in the control file ? Feb 23 14:04:54 XSBC-Bugtracker ? Feb 23 14:04:59 or Butracker Feb 23 14:05:02 or Bugtracker Feb 23 14:05:09 Khertan: afaict you have it correct. Just ignore comment #3 for now. Feb 23 14:05:10 Khertan: The first. Feb 23 14:05:14 Maemo-Display-Name Feb 23 14:05:19 or XB-Maemo-Display-Name Feb 23 14:05:46 Khertan: X variant in control. Feb 23 14:05:51 so comment #3 here are wrong ? -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 Feb 23 14:05:52 Bug 9218: Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email Feb 23 14:06:15 Khertan: Read the package guide. Feb 23 14:06:31 X-Fade: it wasn't in it last time i see it :) Feb 23 14:06:37 Khertan: it is rendering correctly on the package listing page now too Feb 23 14:07:21 Khertan: Feb 23 14:07:21 Khertan: X tells that it's a user defined field Feb 23 14:07:21 S tells that field will be copied to source package control file Feb 23 14:07:21 B tells that field will be copied to binary package control file Feb 23 14:07:22 C tells that field will be copied upload control file Feb 23 14:08:20 so it should be always for both XSBC Feb 23 14:08:36 So, it makes sense to have XSBC for bugtracker. Feb 23 14:08:43 But pretty name is only for B. Feb 23 14:08:46 So XB Feb 23 14:09:08 hum ... yes as pretty name not display on source of course :) Feb 23 14:10:06 but the resulting name field in the .deb package is the exactly the same (XSBC-Bugtracker:) or it doesn't contain XSBC option (Bugtracker:) Feb 23 14:10:10 ? Feb 23 14:10:42 Khertan: In Packages it will then end up as Bugtracker: Feb 23 14:11:10 so comment #3 ok ... Feb 23 14:11:17 thanks for explaining me that X-Fade Feb 23 14:11:32 Khertan: But in your source package it needs to be XSBC-Bugtracker yes. Feb 23 14:11:35 i ll also fix pypackager to avoid all this wrong package :) Feb 23 14:12:04 so yep control file for source and binary as to be different Feb 23 14:12:09 thx a lot ... Feb 23 14:14:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing <-- does this isn't the right document ? no talk of Bugtracker :) Feb 23 14:15:10 * Shapeshifter needs to get him self a scrren protector multipack Feb 23 14:15:32 the durasec cleartec ones come in fives.. but they're garbage Feb 23 14:15:38 Khertan: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging Feb 23 14:15:57 these things scratch easily. especially as my stylus seems to have caugh a grain of sand or something Feb 23 14:16:12 i've already cracked the screen a bit Feb 23 14:16:23 I have a clearteq. or a highteq. or the third one, dont know Feb 23 14:16:35 frals: thx Feb 23 14:16:38 the cleartec one scratches like mad, and it doesn't stick to the screen very well Feb 23 14:16:48 * thresh needs a rugged case Feb 23 14:17:06 so i can easily play n900 fly or whatever the name is Feb 23 14:17:06 ShadowJK: ay, mine doesnt really stick. but i like the feel of it Feb 23 14:17:14 * ShadowJK nods Feb 23 14:18:18 X-Fade: so #9218 isn't really a bug Feb 23 14:18:48 No, that is WORKSFORME :) Feb 23 14:23:06 X-Fade: yep ... better than invalid ... true ... :) Feb 23 14:23:18 everytime I get a "worksforme" back to $question_about_fail I murder a kitteh! >:) Feb 23 14:26:00 bug 9218 Feb 23 14:26:01 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email Feb 23 14:40:34 ha ha! Feb 23 14:40:36 I love myself Feb 23 14:40:37 :) Feb 23 14:40:49 good :P Feb 23 14:41:24 please cleanup after that Feb 23 14:41:49 no need, always love myself into a sock Feb 23 14:43:25 have we gotten confused with #meamo again Feb 23 14:47:51 how many months before the outstanding bugs and annoyances are made irrelevant by the next device Feb 23 14:47:58 Do we have MMS yet? Feb 23 14:48:02 fMMS Feb 23 14:48:20 which stands for fuck MMS Feb 23 14:48:55 so, is MMS even on the roadmap? Feb 23 14:49:02 Sargun: fMMS Feb 23 14:49:35 sargun WHY... Feb 23 14:51:59 pupnik, because more people use MMS on their phones than email Feb 23 14:52:24 ....citation needed.... Feb 23 14:52:53 lol Feb 23 14:52:54 rather, more of my friends use MMS on their phones. Feb 23 14:53:11 thats your statistical group? Feb 23 14:53:19 crashanddie: no it's fapMMS, duuh... since he already elaborated on the "f" part by making that other app "fapn" :P Feb 23 14:53:21 Sargun is probably correct Feb 23 14:53:22 re Feb 23 14:53:24 well that is valid Feb 23 14:54:02 but it isn't true surely on higher end users or users of high end phones Feb 23 14:54:47 zaheerm: the point is, your correspondant might not be a user of high end phone Feb 23 14:55:02 which is the point when you need to send stuff Feb 23 14:55:04 yes Feb 23 14:55:18 plenty of low end older phones dont support mms either, what if the recipient owns one of those? Feb 23 14:55:22 emailing's still easier. Feb 23 14:55:36 nid0, plenty of low end phone users don't have an email account Feb 23 14:55:46 Often I flirt with chicks who do not have email capabilities on their phones. Feb 23 14:56:03 I want to send them sexy pictures of myself, and want to be able to receive their sexy picture. Feb 23 14:56:08 This is a bug. Feb 23 14:56:09 so install fmms Feb 23 14:56:13 hence nokia pushing their nokiamessaging in s40 and in developing markets Feb 23 14:56:13 it isnt a bug. Feb 23 14:56:16 sargun with the KO Feb 23 14:56:26 mms receiving support would at least be something to have, otherwise your granny will think your phone sucks since you can't receive pics of her muffins Feb 23 14:56:36 buy them a decent phone as a present Feb 23 14:56:43 Bah. Feb 23 14:56:45 except, practically everywhere in the world you can receive her pics Feb 23 14:56:50 Sargun did you miss the part about MMS being available? Feb 23 14:56:59 jebba, via fMMS? Feb 23 14:57:03 certainly every network I know of, if your phone cant receive mms youll get either a push sms or an email Feb 23 14:57:04 isn't it Feb 23 14:57:07 ? Feb 23 14:57:10 containing the original mms's image Feb 23 14:57:13 nid0, it varies alot Feb 23 14:57:30 nid0, for example, all networks I know of let you enter an email address instead of a phone number when you send an mms ;-) Feb 23 14:57:36 http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/sketchfighter/ <--- nice arcade shoot em up Feb 23 14:57:39 i like the style Feb 23 14:57:40 exactly, both work Feb 23 14:57:55 jebba, Eh, I'll probably enable extras-devel and install it Feb 23 14:57:58 after the vector style maybe i should try one like this one Feb 23 14:58:08 I cant name a network that wont deliver you the message as either a push sms or an email, if you receive an mms and your phone doesnt support it Feb 23 14:58:34 nid0, Elisa/Saunalahti for one Feb 23 14:58:35 :D Feb 23 14:58:45 nid0: sms with url to web viewer for me. Feb 23 14:58:50 Although their rival DNA does it Feb 23 14:58:51 exactly Feb 23 14:59:24 nid0: Orange ... send you an sms saying that the mms has been reject as your phone don't support it Feb 23 14:59:25 :) Feb 23 14:59:52 nid0: though if your phone as access to mail or web, the point is moot, a direct mail is easier Feb 23 14:59:53 you might have a setting to change then, I have friends on orange who just get an email with the mms attached, same as o2 do Feb 23 15:00:14 nid0: but I guess there are more phones/contracts with MMS and no mail/web than the opposite Feb 23 15:00:18 Corsac, the point was brought up about a granny sending you an mms on your shiny n900 that you cant receive, thats what im answering. Feb 23 15:00:19 one exception being the stock n900 :) Feb 23 15:00:23 nid0: oh :) Feb 23 15:00:24 soorry Feb 23 15:00:27 if your n900 cant access email, ur doin it rong Feb 23 15:00:32 nid0: not in france Feb 23 15:00:34 :) Feb 23 15:00:54 bummer Feb 23 15:00:58 france for you, i guess :( Feb 23 15:01:03 Khertan: my n900 can access mail :) Feb 23 15:01:13 he means Orange in france receiving mms's Feb 23 15:01:20 and just rejecting them Feb 23 15:01:21 danielwilms: back? Feb 23 15:01:24 oh Feb 23 15:01:28 yes your n900 can access mail ... but orange didn't relay mms to email Feb 23 15:01:32 ok Feb 23 15:01:41 (I'm not sure anyone tried to send me mms) Feb 23 15:01:56 (now if someone did, i just didnt receive them at all so...) Feb 23 15:01:58 (no one use it in france too high priced) Feb 23 15:02:11 I'm not so sure about that Feb 23 15:02:28 yeah except pokemon of course Feb 23 15:02:29 mms's are basically free on contracts in the uk, they just come out of your sms contract allowance Feb 23 15:02:50 I'm off to bed people Feb 23 15:02:50 most contract include sms free now ... but mms aren't Feb 23 15:02:52 have a good one Feb 23 15:03:08 Stskeeps: Just doing my daily Bugging Feb 23 15:03:31 andrewfblack: right, so, is the idea to have a shared set of icons amongst many themes? Feb 23 15:03:35 or one set per theme Feb 23 15:04:26 one set per theme or in some cases multiple themes might share one custom set Feb 23 15:04:34 mmk Feb 23 15:06:10 so one set per theme but I might make say variations of one theme in color but want to use the same icon set. I guess in that case each theme could still have its own set but would save space if you used same set not to have copies of it Feb 23 15:06:18 mm Feb 23 15:06:34 remember if LCARS provided icons in their themes? Feb 23 15:07:34 they did Feb 23 15:07:39 and if i want one icon from one set Feb 23 15:07:44 and different per themes? Feb 23 15:07:45 and the rest from other ? Feb 23 15:07:54 made one package by icon ! Feb 23 15:07:55 :) Feb 23 15:08:16 I even provided icons in some of my but that when I used to use TM to build deb then I tore it apart and rebuild it with icons added Feb 23 15:08:40 basiclly you have to install the icon folder and set the icon folder in the theme file Feb 23 15:09:16 Jaffa, still not less whorish. :P Feb 23 15:09:47 Khertan, too bad ASW hasn't made a fun game since Redline. :\ Feb 23 15:10:37 GeneralAntilles: really ? Feb 23 15:10:44 Khertan, sadly. Feb 23 15:10:57 i stop playing there game with EV Nova :) Feb 23 15:11:22 really icons could be a seporate package just point theme to icon folder if its not their the theme will use hicolor. Then you could have a packge for icons if users wanted them Feb 23 15:11:23 Khertan, AmbrosiaSW shaped my youth with stuff like Avara, Ares, Escape Velocity, Harry the Handsome Executive, Chiral, Barrack and several others Feb 23 15:11:25 i'm remembering the old day when i was young playing Escape Velocity on my macIIsi Feb 23 15:11:31 But they've been pretty much shit since 2007. Feb 23 15:11:48 oh yes Harry the HE ! Feb 23 15:12:22 I miss the days when they were a real publisher instead of just a porting house. Feb 23 15:12:39 i'm thinking of making an other shoot em up with a pencil style :) Feb 23 15:12:49 Do it. Feb 23 15:12:51 I'll pay, even. Feb 23 15:13:09 just hope that pygame will be able to render it well ... as scrolling is a bit slow Feb 23 15:13:25 maybe loading level in a big image Feb 23 15:13:38 and scrolling then Feb 23 15:16:00 i ll try that this evening in the train :) Feb 23 15:16:19 GeneralAntilles: did you have try vectormine ? Feb 23 15:16:29 Khertan, haven't gotten around to it yet. Feb 23 15:16:45 ah yep :) Feb 23 15:16:57 Currently sending snarky responses to Quim on MeeGo-community about Ovi. Feb 23 15:16:58 still not in extras due to problem to package it :) Feb 23 15:17:14 MeeGo-community ? Feb 23 15:17:15 Anybody else think [Meego-community] just takes up too much damn space on the subject line? Feb 23 15:17:17 Ovi ? Feb 23 15:17:21 what that Feb 23 15:17:24 :) Feb 23 15:17:49 as i cannot sell a game on ovi i ve created my own paiement system (paypal afaik) Feb 23 15:18:33 Khertan: you can use a credit card processor like eSellerate Feb 23 15:18:44 General: MeeGommunity Feb 23 15:19:01 here, save 3 chars Feb 23 15:19:02 RST38h: yep ... you can also paid by credit card with a paypal business account Feb 23 15:19:07 RST38h paypal's generally cheaper for low-volume though, and can accept cards Feb 23 15:19:16 NoGoCommunity save an other char Feb 23 15:19:16 :) Feb 23 15:19:28 nid0: they are creepy motherfuckers Feb 23 15:19:34 nid0: and cheaper for low priced. Feb 23 15:19:39 RST38h: ? Feb 23 15:19:49 yes, paypal are a bunch of creepy fuckers but its convenient and effective and mostly works Feb 23 15:19:57 RST38h: i never got any problem with paypal Feb 23 15:20:02 Khertan: May hold your money refusing to give it back to you. Require weird authentication. Feb 23 15:20:14 RST38h: ah ... :) Feb 23 15:20:19 Khertan: I tried to implement paypal payment option but it was so much trouble that I dropped it Feb 23 15:20:29 RST38h: it s easy to implement Feb 23 15:20:39 Khertan: If it happens that someone wants to pay with paypal, I process payment manually Feb 23 15:20:52 easy to implement and easy to use, just make sure to withdraw from paypal to bank often Feb 23 15:21:07 i can give you my php script to handle paiement notification Feb 23 15:21:10 nid0: eSellerate is a bunch of less creepy fucker that also works Feb 23 15:21:27 so it s send automatically registration code for sharewares :) Feb 23 15:21:30 Khertan: Definitely not doing this with custom php scripts. Feb 23 15:22:11 Besides, I watermark binaries and need Symbian toolchain for signing the .sis files Feb 23 15:22:12 currently it s my own script ... so i know what they do Feb 23 15:22:43 watermark isn't too difficult to do in php (i was doing it for an old palm application= Feb 23 15:22:44 ) Feb 23 15:22:57 but signing is an other pain :) Feb 23 15:23:29 * Khertan is listening Today we are all demons - Combichrist Feb 23 15:26:20 There are two cases where this technique just won't work. The first is where the whole window or screen really is being updated every frame - think of a smooth-scrolling engine like an overhead real-time strategy game or a side-scroller. So what do you do in this case? Well, the short answer is - don't write this kind of game in pygame Feb 23 15:26:23 oopps Feb 23 15:27:23 This sounds suspiciously like MIDP =) Feb 23 15:27:24 * mgedmin writes this kind of games in pygame and then runs them on really powerful computers Feb 23 15:27:46 * RST38h runs this kind of games in MSX emulator =) Feb 23 15:29:23 * Khertan want to make it running on n900 :) Feb 23 15:29:43 But most of the time ... some trivial tricks optimize really the things Feb 23 15:29:51 like using cos and sin ... Feb 23 15:30:07 in a game one degree precise is enought Feb 23 15:30:21 so using a simple array is enough Feb 23 15:30:51 * mgedmin recommends profiling Feb 23 15:31:34 I taught a python class one day and demoed profiling to find out where the time is spent in a simple pygame toy -- turned out 90% of the time was spent in pygame.display.update() Feb 23 15:31:49 full-screen updates every frame are painful Feb 23 15:32:01 pyspacewar on a n810 was just a slide show Feb 23 15:32:14 and your battery loves it Feb 23 15:32:52 * RST38h recommends using a compiled language Feb 23 15:33:15 too fast, needs to be slow as interpreted RST38h Feb 23 15:33:25 well, if you're spending 90% of your time in pygame.display.update() won't make things go any faster, that's the point :) Feb 23 15:33:37 err, a compiled language won't... Feb 23 15:34:29 * RST38h isnt sure what display.update() is then Feb 23 15:34:39 * RST38h thought it was the screen redraw Feb 23 15:35:05 it is, but that just calls into libsdl, which is already written in a compiled language, if I'm not completely confused. Feb 23 15:35:15 * marienz checks Feb 23 15:35:41 * GeneralAntilles can't believe bergie decided bugs were less useful than Thanks! Feb 23 15:35:56 You cannot draw your actual graphics by just calling libsdl Feb 23 15:36:14 General: More importantly, why has he changed the formula without consulting with everyone? Feb 23 15:36:24 * GeneralAntilles notes bugzilla comments are also considered half as useful as maemo.org comments. Feb 23 15:36:28 RST38h, no idea. Feb 23 15:36:57 is the current formula available somewhere? Feb 23 15:37:00 He is entitled to have his own opinions, but doesn't this require public discussion before the changes are made? Feb 23 15:37:02 GeneralAntilles: Probably just missing a modifier value. Feb 23 15:37:31 RST38h: yes, but if you're spending the majority of your time in pygame.display.update that seems to mean you're actually mostly stuck in SDL_UpdateRects. So micro-optimizing your python code or translating it to a compiled language won't really help if you end up making roughly the same calls into sdl. Feb 23 15:37:32 GeneralAntilles: URL? what is this? Feb 23 15:37:48 GeneralAntilles: Anyway, easyfix. Feb 23 15:37:55 X-Fade, indeed, but still http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=541878&postcount=158 Feb 23 15:37:56 GeneralAntilles: As long as there is concensus. Feb 23 15:38:05 X-Fade, that's the problem. ;) Feb 23 15:38:11 GeneralAntilles: yeah. Feb 23 15:38:14 There WASN'T consensus on a number of changes. Feb 23 15:38:45 He's just following the formula: http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ Feb 23 15:39:03 then the formula got somehow screwed up Feb 23 15:39:14 GeneralAntilles: The sqrt is probably fine. But needs a bigger modifier. Feb 23 15:39:19 No, it's under item #4. Feb 23 15:39:33 derf: ah this one =) Feb 23 15:40:33 marienz: if it is in fact display update, then it can have any number of reasons, from python code taking too much time to draw, to python code updating too large rectnagles, to some problem with libsdl Feb 23 15:41:16 marienz: either way, I get fastest results by redrawing the whole screen directly into /dev/fb0, in C, no Python or SDL required Feb 23 15:42:04 RST38h: "python code taking too much time to draw" would normally show up in the profile mentioned above. "python code updating too large rectangles" is definitely possible, but translating to a different language doesn't help. My point is that you either need to make different calls into libSDL (for which the language used doesn't matter much) or stop using libSDL (for which yes, you might need a different language too) Feb 23 15:42:10 GeneralAntilles: I'll stop publishing it then ;-p Feb 23 15:42:56 marienz: this again depends on your game model, as Khertan justly noted Feb 23 15:43:13 * marienz must admit that oversimplified claims about performance of python code work a bit like the proverbial red rag works on a bull on him Feb 23 15:43:47 marienz: So far, it sounds similar to MIDP: Java is a slow, often interpreted language. MIDP gets around this by using native-code moving objects engine Feb 23 15:44:05 i get the best speed out of my car by ripping out the back seats and spare tyre. doesn't mean everyone should do it :) Feb 23 15:44:15 marienz: while your game can operate with those objects, or sprites, if you wish, MIDP is relatively fine to use Feb 23 15:44:26 sure Feb 23 15:44:35 marienz: but as soon as you get into scrolling or full screen effects of some kind, ou are fucked Feb 23 15:45:02 marienz: (notice that the ancient videogame hardware used exactly the same principles to get around low CPU performance) Feb 23 15:45:15 RST38h: but if you're spending 90% of your time in pygame.display.update you *are* still in the state where you can relatively sensibly use pygame, if you know what I mean :) Feb 23 15:45:19 Only they implemented their scrolling, sprites, and tiles in hardware Feb 23 15:45:31 marienz: Not entirely :) Feb 23 15:45:44 if you're actually updating individual pixels in a pygame surface you wouldn't spend 90% of your time in that function. Feb 23 15:45:57 (*many* individual pixels, I mean) Feb 23 15:46:15 right, update() is how you signal dirty rects to the native SDL code Feb 23 15:46:43 marienz: actually, just read diescription of display.update() Feb 23 15:46:55 (I haven't used pygame on an n900, but I *have* used pygame, and like to think I have some rough idea of how it performs) Feb 23 15:47:03 i'm searching for a getting things done application Feb 23 15:47:07 marienz: If pygame is really clever, you may well be DRAWING in display.update() without knowning of it Feb 23 15:47:08 any ideas? Feb 23 15:47:50 marienz: Imagine situation where pygame actually accumulates your drawing requests (like line/circle/blit/etc) but does not execute them until you do the display.update() Feb 23 15:47:58 RST38h: I don't know of a way to end up back in python code from pygame.display.update. Feb 23 15:48:08 marienz: At this point, it will only execute requests for the rectangle you are updating Feb 23 15:48:28 marienz: You will not end up in the python code. You will end up in the graphics library code instead. Feb 23 15:48:33 RST38h: I'm still commenting on your "rewrite it in a compiled language". Feb 23 15:48:55 marienz: Yea, but I guess we agreed on this already: if it does a lot of drawing then do rewrite it Feb 23 15:49:03 and the grphics library is SDL, written in C. and it still sucks Feb 23 15:49:05 RST38h: I'm operating on the assumption that you'd still use libSDL in that language (that is: we're comparing libSDL driven from python to libSDL driven from a language like C) Feb 23 15:49:34 marienz: LibSDL does not do anything special. It opens you a window or a screen and lets you copy images there Feb 23 15:49:39 RST38h: I get the feeling you switched to comparing python + pygame to some other language + direct framebuffer access to some point, and I missed that. Feb 23 15:49:54 s/to/at/ Feb 23 15:49:56 marienz meant: RST38h: I get the feeling you switched at comparing python + pygame to some other language + direct framebuffer access to some point, and I missed that. Feb 23 15:50:06 no I didn't! Feb 23 15:50:15 bleh, you get the idea :) Feb 23 15:50:31 marienz: No, I just read the display.update() documentation and got a suspicion of how pygame would do all the drawing in display.update() without you knowing it Feb 23 15:51:03 marienz: It is actually a very common approach. I think even X11 implements it. Feb 23 15:51:07 a game usually has quite sophisticated rules engine and state, manipulating this using a compiled language is the principle place you gain speed over python. for an entirely library driven/no progressing macro calling a c library, it shouldnt really matter what you use Feb 23 15:51:10 RST38h: for certain values of "drawing", yes, I think you're right. But if we're comparing python + pygame to c + libsdl that is *irrelevant*. Feb 23 15:51:27 RST38h: so *are* we comparing python + pygame to c + libsdl? :) Feb 23 15:51:29 pygame is written in C anyway Feb 23 15:51:38 the only part that is python is the part where you call update() Feb 23 15:51:41 or w/e Feb 23 15:51:41 marienz: naah, not touching c+libsdl at the moment Feb 23 15:51:49 * marienz boggles Feb 23 15:51:52 what lcuk said ^ Feb 23 15:52:06 * marienz resets Feb 23 15:52:18 re Feb 23 15:52:21 warm reset or cold reset? =) Feb 23 15:52:48 sometime updating the whole screen can be faster ... for example on vectormine it s ... Feb 23 15:53:02 RST38h: I started this because I thought you were claiming rewriting the python parts in c, while still using libSDL, would help for a python app spending most of its time in pygame.display.update. I don't think that makes sense. I get the feeling we're not arguing about the same thing now :) Feb 23 15:53:04 as it doesn't have to save old position ... new one Feb 23 15:53:06 "Apple is advertising for an Engineering Manager to take the iPhone OS onto new platforms and new hardware, extending the OS" Feb 23 15:53:11 i got better performance with one huge texture over a tile engine Feb 23 15:53:21 marienz: naah, it does not make sense Feb 23 15:53:35 yay! Feb 23 15:53:51 I keep doing that, arguing with someone I actually agree with Feb 23 15:53:55 \o/ Feb 23 15:54:33 and rewrite to c instead of python is a stupid loss of time Feb 23 15:55:26 most of the time it s due to an misunderstanding of how python works Feb 23 15:55:51 and optimize things a bit is better Feb 23 15:55:58 oh, I've rewritten bits of python to c as a python extension module Feb 23 15:56:09 it sometimes does make sense, this just wasn't one of those cases :) Feb 23 15:57:23 Local variables are faster than globals Feb 23 15:57:34 Avoid calling functions written in Python in your inner loop. This includes lambdas. In-lining the inner loop can save a lot of time. Feb 23 15:57:44 * RST38h wonders how marienz would do dynamic YUV movie rendering in Python Feb 23 15:58:06 Use intrinsic operations. An implied loop in map() is faster than an explicit for loop; a while loop with an explicit loop counter is even slower. Feb 23 15:58:14 last http 10 Feb 23 15:58:21 RST38h: not. Feb 23 15:58:27 RST38h: use gstreamer Feb 23 15:58:32 it s done for that :) Feb 23 15:58:34 something like that, probably, yes. Feb 23 16:05:31 anyone here know of a QR code scanning program for the n900? Feb 23 16:05:52 mbarcode? Feb 23 16:06:17 cool thanks Feb 23 16:11:45 why html markup doesn't render in gtk widgets in maemo? Feb 23 16:13:16 correction: do they not render at all or only for me? Feb 23 16:13:40 s/do they/does it/ Feb 23 16:13:40 slonopotamus meant: correction: does it not render at all or only for me? Feb 23 16:14:24 Khertan: What if the YUV image does not come from a video file? Feb 23 16:14:29 Still gstreamer? :) Feb 23 16:14:44 * luke-jr ponders Feb 23 16:14:48 s/d/o/ Feb 23 16:14:55 meh Feb 23 16:15:10 why didn't infobot do that one? O.o Feb 23 16:15:10 s/ders/ies Feb 23 16:15:19 s/info/stupid/ Feb 23 16:15:19 luke-jr meant: why didn't stupidbot do that one? O.o Feb 23 16:15:26 s/do/change/ Feb 23 16:15:26 luke-jr: it doesn't do /me Feb 23 16:15:28 luke-jr meant: why didn't infobot change that one? O.o Feb 23 16:15:50 luke-jr, doesn't handle ACTION Feb 23 16:15:58 fine Feb 23 16:16:10 ha, nokia brazil is down Feb 23 16:16:34 must be a conspiracy. blame Stskeeps Feb 23 16:16:36 <.< Feb 23 16:16:44 i'm behind it all! Feb 23 16:16:45 :P Feb 23 16:17:28 RST38h: yes ... still gstreamer :) Feb 23 16:17:36 it can encode image too :) Feb 23 16:18:51 * ShadowJK wishes there was a way to write fixed-width text on tmp Feb 23 16:18:53 for tables.. Feb 23 16:19:42 or cowsay Feb 23 16:21:56 icon size in /usr/share/pixmaps/ aren't anymore in 48x48 , Feb 23 16:22:21 seems that my vectormine icon isn't display in maemo-launcher Feb 23 16:26:54 Khertan: Madman! =) Feb 23 16:27:04 HA aha ! Feb 23 16:27:44 oups mspaint died on my 10144x6128px image Feb 23 16:27:46 huhu Feb 23 16:27:53 bit enought memory Feb 23 16:27:54 :) Feb 23 16:30:06 nokia's corporate web site died. Feb 23 16:30:21 oh noes. Feb 23 16:31:53 .co.uk too Feb 23 16:32:45 the whole thing died Feb 23 16:32:58 Europe-wide is dead, .ru is dead too Feb 23 16:33:12 nokia now called neeemo :-P Feb 23 16:34:12 nokia.intel.com Feb 23 16:36:00 rumour of the day: Intel has acquired Nokia Feb 23 16:36:08 luke-jr: booo Feb 23 16:36:27 nokia/intel/disney Feb 23 16:36:52 yeah Feb 23 16:37:45 DocScrutinizer: ;D Feb 23 16:37:54 nokia/intel/disney/nestle Feb 23 16:38:10 "Satan buys Google, Microsoft, Intel, Apple" Feb 23 16:38:22 LOL Feb 23 16:38:26 conspiracy theory. masonic. Satanic. Bush. also, Fed. Feb 23 16:38:28 "Nintendo and Nokia disappointed." Feb 23 16:38:43 "nokia gets bought out by nintendo after maemo.org fiasco" Feb 23 16:38:44 thought it satan's very own foundings Feb 23 16:38:44 :P Feb 23 16:38:55 "Microsoft buys Linux" :) Feb 23 16:39:06 "Microsoft goes Linux" Feb 23 16:39:14 they do already Feb 23 16:39:15 WAAAAH Feb 23 16:39:24 WAAAH Feb 23 16:39:29 http://www.nokia.fr/ Feb 23 16:39:33 error 404 :) Feb 23 16:39:43 Ok. "Linus includes win32 support into Linux kernel" Feb 23 16:39:44 but the 404 error page is working : http://www.nokia.fr/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/ Feb 23 16:39:54 RST38h: that's called LUK Feb 23 16:39:55 hihi ... Feb 23 16:39:57 Akamai? Feb 23 16:39:58 Khertan: the whole thin is fucked up Feb 23 16:40:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUK Feb 23 16:40:19 akaima seems ok Feb 23 16:40:21 :) Feb 23 16:40:31 apple too (use akaima) Feb 23 16:40:34 luke: omg it exists Feb 23 16:41:01 hey .. .first time in history, that maemo.org is more reliable than nokia.com :P Feb 23 16:41:19 that's because now nokia.com runs on meego Feb 23 16:41:33 no free ovi maps yet for n900? Feb 23 16:41:52 Corsac: hum ... i don't think they upgrade recently from a 770 server to a n810 server ... Feb 23 16:41:53 no nokia at all Feb 23 16:41:56 isn't ovi maps already in n900? Feb 23 16:42:17 but ovi is free, just not a version you would like Feb 23 16:42:19 so i don't think they have switched yet on a meego custom build on an n900 server Feb 23 16:42:22 use osm! Feb 23 16:42:30 good evening Feb 23 16:42:44 Corsac, there a map application but it doesn't give driving instructions Feb 23 16:42:49 just course on map Feb 23 16:43:06 oh Feb 23 16:44:25 anybody else having problems with telepathy-extras? My facebook chat is causing troubles when msn working fine Feb 23 16:44:31 yes Feb 23 16:44:39 ICQ does not work with 2.6.4 package Feb 23 16:44:48 Works with 2.6.3, god knows why Feb 23 16:44:55 damn Feb 23 16:45:10 facebook doesn't merge properly and alias cannot be changed Feb 23 16:45:34 always the whole email. taking almost the whole screen width. not very practical Feb 23 16:46:40 funny rumors, haah Feb 23 16:47:11 Interesting benchmark. At RC5-72 key cracking, the Sheevaplug's 1.2 GHz CPU is 1.3 times faster than N900's 600MHz. Imagine that. :-) Feb 23 16:47:19 nokia webmin boozeday Feb 23 16:47:21 here mine: Unnamed TMO troll wons the lottery and buys Nokia :D Feb 23 16:47:26 Twice the clockspeed, 1.3 times the speed Feb 23 16:47:49 is johnny lamb in irc? Feb 23 16:47:58 VDVsx: naaaah Feb 23 16:48:12 jonny Feb 23 16:48:20 ShadowJK: memory bandwidth bottleneck. Feb 23 16:48:38 ShadowJK, ARM9. Feb 23 16:48:43 GeneralAntilles, yep Feb 23 16:49:02 RST38h, well I think memory bandwidth is even more of a bottleneck on OGR, where the sheevaplug isn't as crap Feb 23 16:49:16 Who knows then... Feb 23 16:49:30 it's almost 1.4 times faster than n900 there ;-) Feb 23 16:49:37 Wow, I think somebody replaced geneven with an evil (good?) clone. http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=540779#post540779 Feb 23 16:49:40 I'm going with GeneralAntilles, A8 vs Arm9 Feb 23 16:50:06 well, sheeva isn't really arm9.. i Feb 23 16:50:13 it's xscale and shit.. or something.. Feb 23 16:50:17 ShadowJK: The thing is named as if it were some kinky S&M implement Feb 23 16:50:35 XScale is not exactly ARM9, true Feb 23 16:50:38 VDVsx: that would be an interesting thing to see Feb 23 16:50:49 does the lottery prize actually cover the cost of buying a large company? Feb 23 16:51:12 luke-jr, not really Feb 23 16:51:12 luke-jr, don't think so Feb 23 16:51:34 at least the biggest thing here, if really far from that Feb 23 16:51:43 luke-jr, you need about 50 - 60 billion to buy nokia Feb 23 16:51:45 *is really Feb 23 16:51:46 maybe more Feb 23 16:51:56 hmm Feb 23 16:52:04 maybe buy the Maemo "division" from Nokia? :p Feb 23 16:52:15 luke-jr, maybe setup your own company Feb 23 16:52:19 hehe Feb 23 16:52:24 probably a better idea, yeah Feb 23 16:52:30 but it wouldn't be as humourous Feb 23 16:52:50 VDVsx: Nintendo buys Nokia, turn the company business to printing playing cards Feb 23 16:53:15 lol Feb 23 16:53:26 back to its roots Feb 23 16:53:27 Sony buys nokia, makes all phones beam DRM rootkits through bluetooth, wlan and wifi Feb 23 16:53:31 VDVsx: What was that polish nutcase's name? Feb 23 16:53:42 darius? Feb 23 16:53:45 yesss Feb 23 16:53:57 I don't see any errors beyond probably Nokia's CMS down Feb 23 16:54:16 so quite possibly Akamai Feb 23 16:54:17 "Darius wins the lottery, starts his own company, competes with Nokia smartphone business" Feb 23 16:55:11 * ShadowJK posted distributed.net benchmark on Sheevaplug, smartq7, N800, N900 at: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=542944&postcount=19 Feb 23 16:55:18 Hopefully the formatting looks sane on other computesr than my own Feb 23 16:55:19 DocScrutinizer but the site is serving up, just not the right doc. Feb 23 16:55:35 ShadowJK: looks ok here with ff on f12 Feb 23 16:55:36 yep, that's what I think Feb 23 16:55:36 ShadowJK: Would also be interesting to see a few Atom-based systems there Feb 23 16:56:17 jebba: I guess the "Sorry" page is the only one in basic server domain Feb 23 16:57:03 RST38h, oh I have a Atom 330... but I have to leave right now, remind me later ;-) Feb 23 16:57:11 DocScrutinizer but if you follow the link on the sorry page, it does have a link to a working global page (which was another redirect in my case). Something in argentina is actually working and the rest of the world is broken. That's a first. Feb 23 16:57:13 ack Feb 23 16:57:41 o.O Feb 23 16:58:27 which link? Feb 23 17:00:20 Under "oops lost": "Nokia Global home page": http://www.nokia.com/A41460102 Feb 23 17:00:36 VDvsx: hi I saw your gsoc post Feb 23 17:00:43 lol Feb 23 17:01:03 jebba: redirects me to http://www.nokia.de/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/ Feb 23 17:01:26 DocS, that was the point Feb 23 17:01:36 DocScrutinizer, ya i get that page. And look under oops, it has a link like mentioned above Feb 23 17:01:38 * Birdack va' Feb 23 17:01:48 DocS, but usin http://www.nokia.com/ as the uri would make the problem more apparent Feb 23 17:02:06 jebba: and clicking that one I get redirected to above mentioned Feb 23 17:02:36 ah, i get a global site where you can pick your country. Whatever, they're foobar for sure. Geez. Feb 23 17:03:16 jebba: for .de it's borked, for .com it works Feb 23 17:07:33 well, THANK GOD ovi is alive :-P Feb 23 17:07:49 anyone know how to set a custom DNS on the N900? Feb 23 17:11:17 settings -> internet -> bla... -> extended settings, tab "IP addresses" Feb 23 17:11:43 cool Feb 23 17:11:44 thanks Feb 23 17:11:49 yw Feb 23 17:11:54 * Arif_ prefers opendns Feb 23 17:19:30 VDVsx: has maemo been accepted as an org for gsoc? Feb 23 17:21:25 its bloody cold today Feb 23 17:21:53 * Trizt nods Feb 23 17:22:06 hm Feb 23 17:22:10 I noticed Feb 23 17:22:16 if I change the volume with the buttons Feb 23 17:22:24 the volume slider at the bottom of the media player doesn't move Feb 23 17:22:27 xD Feb 23 17:22:40 yes Feb 23 17:22:43 it is a bug Feb 23 17:22:47 it is a wontfix bug Feb 23 17:22:53 hi Feb 23 17:22:57 lcuk: "cold" as... ? Feb 23 17:23:02 how are u all ^^? Feb 23 17:23:06 hmm Feb 23 17:23:11 guess I'm not the first one to notice then Feb 23 17:23:25 lcukn900, we're warming up today. :P Feb 23 17:23:29 lcuk: BTW, I have finally got to the spot where daleks scream EXTERMINATE! in German. Took 'em 30 years... Feb 23 17:23:37 rst i am feeling freezing in own home Feb 23 17:24:04 its probably warmer outside Feb 23 17:24:06 lcuk; light a fire Feb 23 17:24:08 anybody else looking at participating in gsoc? Feb 23 17:24:12 lcuk: fire! Feb 23 17:24:24 RST38h, why is that wontfix? any bug ID? Feb 23 17:24:25 goodidea Feb 23 17:24:27 lcuk: -5 here, 1.5m of snow, sunny =) Feb 23 17:24:32 andre: a moment Feb 23 17:24:40 andre: explanation was pretty weird too Feb 23 17:25:23 bug #8114 enjoy Feb 23 17:25:23 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8114 Video player volume control desynced from master control Feb 23 17:25:52 i need to update my list of irc trigger words Feb 23 17:25:54 RST38h, ah, thanks a lot Feb 23 17:27:00 what does xchat do if i update it while its running Feb 23 17:27:10 close? Feb 23 17:27:13 no idea, try Feb 23 17:27:21 won't close but probably won't reread it either Feb 23 17:27:30 lcukn900, nothing until you restart it. Feb 23 17:27:57 andre: this (and the famous pa lockup) are actually bugs, so I have no idea why nokia insists on wontfixing them Feb 23 17:28:30 cuz they're nubletz Feb 23 17:28:30 is it not possible to have sound over ringtone when someone is calling? Feb 23 17:28:31 ? Feb 23 17:28:41 brb Feb 23 17:29:32 RST38h, either changes too complex ("too much work for not enough effort"), or maybe parts of some teams already moving on, or sometimes just some weird error managers' personal opinions. just my guesses though, probably other reasons exist too... Feb 23 17:29:40 pillar, what is "sound over ringtone"? Feb 23 17:29:59 * Trizt hates that when he forgets to disconnect wifi at home when leaving for work, then he won't be able to connect to wifi at work Feb 23 17:30:04 andre__: what I mean is that my own app uses sound at the same time Feb 23 17:30:22 pillar, ringtone has highest priority. Feb 23 17:30:38 I think I'll lart any app that blocks the sound so I miss a call. Feb 23 17:30:47 rst is the channel closing X meant to be in bottom left Feb 23 17:30:55 to accidentally close chan Feb 23 17:31:09 i thought it would close chanlist Feb 23 17:31:25 and was it there before update Feb 23 17:31:26 hehe happend to me too once Feb 23 17:31:28 andre__: any way around it? I'm not trying to block the ringtone completely, but make a quick sound at the same time Feb 23 17:31:48 lcuk: it was always there Feb 23 17:31:49 pillar, hopefully there's no way around that... Feb 23 17:31:57 lcuk: AFAIK you can get rid of it with an option Feb 23 17:32:09 andre__: would like to make it so that it announces the caller's name Feb 23 17:32:23 pillar: audio policy... don't know if it's possible to work around Feb 23 17:32:37 also the context menu when channels shown as tree are missing Feb 23 17:33:11 cehteh: do not show channels as a tree =) Feb 23 17:33:20 technically as root theres a way round most everythin Feb 23 17:34:28 list takes more space toomuch scrolling Feb 23 17:35:21 lcukn900: xchat saves prefs on close. So updating while it's running seems to be a bad idea Feb 23 17:36:01 its ok doc Feb 23 17:36:13 prefs are local not touched by updating Feb 23 17:36:16 cos if i close then update Feb 23 17:36:24 vs running whilst update Feb 23 17:36:43 andre: There is another solution for 8114 Feb 23 17:36:49 the next time i use my prefs they would have been written by version x-1 Feb 23 17:36:55 i updated often while its running Feb 23 17:37:08 andre: make volume control in media player directly change the volume control in the applet Feb 23 17:37:14 the only probm Feb 23 17:37:26 wrong key Feb 23 17:37:37 whats wrong key Feb 23 17:37:50 andre__: do you know anyone that would be good to contact about that? Feb 23 17:38:14 the only problem is when replacing a .so plugin Feb 23 17:38:41 only if the .so was dyna loaded after updating Feb 23 17:39:09 crashed on me once Feb 23 17:39:23 pillar, no, sorry... Feb 23 17:39:36 i update .so files all day long Feb 23 17:39:47 well night Feb 23 17:40:07 when im not so tired anyway Feb 23 17:40:13 andre__: ok thanks anyways Feb 23 17:40:33 right, prog text and .so are open handles simply Feb 23 17:41:38 so your major problem will be anonymous file kept by open handle allocating space on storage Feb 23 17:42:51 dependso on the update procedure .. if it overwrites or replaces the file Feb 23 17:43:11 same thing Feb 23 17:43:26 if a file is locked for writing by a process Feb 23 17:43:31 never seen an update opening a file and rewrite it's content Feb 23 17:43:34 it becomes anonymous Feb 23 17:43:52 yes Feb 23 17:45:04 DocScrutinizer: apt not .. but a normal cp does iirc .. and gcc linking does too .. so this strikes non careful developers :) Feb 23 17:45:17 well .. bbl Feb 23 17:45:17 cp doen't Feb 23 17:46:57 hey dmj726_n900, was watching football :) Feb 23 17:47:28 I don't know if maybe redirect > does Feb 23 17:48:28 hey VDVsx Feb 23 17:54:26 is maemo still applying or has it been accepted? Feb 23 17:56:30 VDVsx: valerio? Feb 23 17:58:42 BluesLee, yes :) Feb 23 17:58:59 dmj726_n900, applying like any other org Feb 23 17:59:23 the submission process isn't open yet Feb 23 17:59:37 VDVsx: you are the guy who wrote this bt remote app on the freerunner, right? good work! Feb 23 17:59:50 BluesLee, yup Feb 23 18:01:43 VDVsx: using accelerometers, do you think its possible to write a good juggling app? Feb 23 18:02:17 BluesLee, lol, probably Feb 23 18:02:44 VDVsx: i mean, is it possible to handle throws from left and right hand separatly? Feb 23 18:03:25 found out what caused the stuff in about product Feb 23 18:03:27 fmtx-faker Feb 23 18:04:17 BluesLee, would be tricky for sure, but probably can be done with some learning algorithm Feb 23 18:04:20 gtg, bbl Feb 23 18:05:26 the idea would be to juggle a certain pattern, lets say simple 3 ball cascade and to give a certain tolerance for the user to move up from left side (left hand throw) and move up from right hand side (right hand throw) Feb 23 18:06:06 within a certain time otherwise the corresponding ball is dropped Feb 23 18:06:50 You don't need an app to juggle Feb 23 18:06:54 Just 3 or more N900s Feb 23 18:06:56 And a good insurance policy Feb 23 18:07:58 Lumpio-: no problem with 3 smartphones Feb 23 18:09:39 BluesLee: how would you detect moves of left and right hand separately (or even move hands independantly at all for tha behalf) while the device is just *one* object? Feb 23 18:10:42 sounds as realistic as 5000m race on Wii Feb 23 18:11:14 r 100m dolphin ;-P Feb 23 18:11:19 DocScrutinizer: i really dont know Feb 23 18:12:32 BluesLee: you can create a *game* of some kind, and title it "juggler". Just like there's pinball for PC as well Feb 23 18:12:44 but if the pattern is fixed and the order is given left, right, left, right and so on its getting simple Feb 23 18:14:20 yeah, but in the end it's all just hitting buttons arcade madness Feb 23 18:14:48 hi, I have a question abut how to use GTK+ in scratchbox. Feb 23 18:15:05 i wrote a qt application which employs gtk+ Feb 23 18:15:47 but when "make", the head file such as gtk/gtk.h cant be found Feb 23 18:16:01 a qt application using gtk+ ? Feb 23 18:16:04 * Corsac cries Feb 23 18:16:06 yes Feb 23 18:16:10 (install libgtk2.0-dev) Feb 23 18:16:12 pta0007: don't do that. Feb 23 18:16:26 o.O Feb 23 18:16:28 please, think of the kittens Feb 23 18:16:34 LOL Feb 23 18:17:08 I'm going to bake a plumcake, with salami Feb 23 18:17:25 then feed it to a vegitarian Feb 23 18:17:40 do vegetarians eat synthetic meat? Feb 23 18:17:41 cause on Windows environment with MADDE, I could compile the qt application with GTK+ corretly Feb 23 18:17:53 pta0007: compile != run Feb 23 18:18:06 he's not trying to run but to build Feb 23 18:18:19 cos in my oven, this salami plumcake bakes fine Feb 23 18:19:12 DocScrutinizer: i have some python code for a juggling app, how i would proceed from this to port it in a good way to maemo 5 Feb 23 18:19:22 luck-jr: I just wonder whether I could do the same thing on linux, with the native programming environment Feb 23 18:19:38 pta0007: no. you can't mix Qt and GTK+ <.< Feb 23 18:19:55 even if it compiles, it won't run* Feb 23 18:20:17 luck-jr: ic Feb 23 18:20:32 BluesLee: no idea. I dunno the original app Feb 23 18:21:02 BluesLee: I guess you should find out about how to interface accels via py though Feb 23 18:21:15 err, the *one* accel Feb 23 18:21:44 so, anybody could give me some links to learn building the app with gtk+ for maemo? Feb 23 18:21:50 BluesLee: or just use ts-tap events Feb 23 18:22:06 pta0007: meh, don't use GTK+ either please :p Feb 23 18:22:29 hehe ... i thought about that, there is an iphone app which does that Feb 23 18:22:52 luck-jr: dont understand what you mean. Gtk+ is out of date? Feb 23 18:23:13 because I would like to use the example_camera.c from maemo Feb 23 18:23:21 which app uses gtk+ Feb 23 18:24:03 pta0007: GTK+ is just crap; always has been Feb 23 18:24:18 pta0007: and as far as Maemo goes, everything is moving to Qt Feb 23 18:24:29 and Nokia owns qt, so it's more Nokia :P Feb 23 18:24:37 what does example_camera.c do? Feb 23 18:25:02 luke-jr:do the camera function Feb 23 18:25:19 do what with it? Feb 23 18:25:37 show a viewfinder on the screen ,using the camera of the device Feb 23 18:25:53 http://kapture.berlios.de/ Feb 23 18:25:57 there's camera code Feb 23 18:26:21 luke-jr:i'll take a look Feb 23 18:26:36 hey guys, there is any way to reload a statusbar plugin ? (from code) Feb 23 18:26:40 * RST38h suspects people will start porting kde apps right after pr1.2 release Feb 23 18:26:49 talking topic camera: does anybody know if the camera executable is preloded or it's started the moment you open the slider (etc, button) Feb 23 18:26:50 b0unc3: yes Feb 23 18:27:01 b0unc3: restart hildon-statusbar-whatever, a moment Feb 23 18:27:57 bounc3: ps -ax |grep hildon-status-menu and then kill the one which has bigger pid Feb 23 18:28:44 RST38h: why? Feb 23 18:28:53 RST38h: except when process counter wraps ;-) Feb 23 18:29:08 DocS: Ah, do not be a wikipedian :) Feb 23 18:29:19 sorry :-) Feb 23 18:29:30 afternoon Feb 23 18:29:36 moo Feb 23 18:30:09 question: what does the usb status of "a_wait_bcon" mean ( n800 with maemo 5 ) Feb 23 18:30:27 boolean: there is no such thing as N800 with Maemo 5 -.- Feb 23 18:30:41 RST38h, this 'reset' the statusbar to default (eg. eliminating all the others plugin) Feb 23 18:30:48 boolean: no maemo5 on n800 Feb 23 18:31:00 ah, ok Feb 23 18:31:14 uninstall all status bar plugins from HAM Feb 23 18:31:26 DocScrutinizer, camera-ui is always in the process list here Feb 23 18:31:42 ok n800 with diablo ... better ? :) Feb 23 18:32:01 MohammadAG: what I expected. Thanks. [ :-( ] Feb 23 18:32:18 anyhoot, I am trying to get my n800 into isb host mode but all it keeps coming back with is a_wait_bcon Feb 23 18:32:49 USB hostmode on N800?? Feb 23 18:32:50 s/isb/usb Feb 23 18:32:58 yup Feb 23 18:33:09 N810 has. N800 dunno, not sure Feb 23 18:33:16 n800 has Feb 23 18:33:21 k Feb 23 18:33:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22187 Feb 23 18:33:37 RST38h, maybe you didn't understand, I want to reload a specific statusbar plugin Feb 23 18:33:50 then do what I told you Feb 23 18:34:00 b0unc3, killall hildon-status-menu Feb 23 18:34:00 hildon-status-thing will restart once you kill it Feb 23 18:34:07 and reload all statusbar plugins Feb 23 18:34:18 No, no killall, you do not want to kill the first instance Feb 23 18:34:31 luke-jr:sorry for my stupid, but dont even know how to download it Feb 23 18:34:36 ... Feb 23 18:34:38 RST38h, it restarts it for me :) Feb 23 18:34:43 with killall works ok Feb 23 18:34:51 pta0007: sez right there: http://kapture.berlios.de/#download Feb 23 18:35:02 ok then Feb 23 18:35:03 RST38h, afaik all hildon-* stuff gets restarted if killed Feb 23 18:35:16 (and systemui) Feb 23 18:35:40 I uninstalled hildon-desktop once, just to see what would happen if it didn't find it Feb 23 18:35:43 MohammadAG: reboot will do as well? Feb 23 18:35:45 :-P Feb 23 18:36:18 DocScrutinizer, true, but rebooting impacts the battery Feb 23 18:36:31 aaah ok Feb 23 18:36:44 though I've noticed something weird this, if I pop out my battery and pop it back in, the N900 gains two bars Feb 23 18:37:30 MohammadAG: that's quite strange, as I'd expect the modem goes down completely when you remove bat Feb 23 18:37:46 two bars in battery life Feb 23 18:37:52 aah Feb 23 18:38:01 how long does it keep them for Feb 23 18:38:10 (might have used the long term to explain that :) ) Feb 23 18:38:18 that's no surprise. Batmeter is guessmeter botch Feb 23 18:38:23 nid0, as much as it would normally keep them Feb 23 18:38:38 then you have a magic neverending battery, go you Feb 23 18:38:57 so it's not like the bug on my (old & sold) N97 battery, where it went from 7-6-5-4-7-1 Feb 23 18:39:15 battery life is just a guesstimate at best though Feb 23 18:39:20 - battery* (the whole N97 was sold) Feb 23 18:39:39 nid0, my laptop thinks the battery lasts 5 minutes Feb 23 18:39:48 http://xkcd.com/612/ < applies to batteries as much as windows Feb 23 18:40:22 lol nid0 Feb 23 18:41:50 Hum someone know if pyopengl is available on Maemo 5 (n900) Feb 23 18:42:14 Khertan: I would guess not, seeing as it only has GLES, not full GL Feb 23 18:52:43 bah Feb 23 18:52:54 can anyone help me through setting up qtirrecco :( Feb 23 18:53:13 I downloaded a remote but I get a blank screen after adding it :( Feb 23 18:57:02 Arif_, bad upload maybe? Feb 23 18:57:09 try a different one Feb 23 18:57:16 thp, update gpodder's screenshot on maemo downloads :) Feb 23 18:57:30 Stskeeps: Bug Bug Bug lol Feb 23 18:57:58 andrewfblack: i think dealing with icon templates would have been more pleasant today yes :P Feb 23 18:58:16 * Stskeeps nuked his n900 filesystem by accident Feb 23 18:58:33 hmm Feb 23 18:58:34 Stskeeps: not good see should have been working on icon template Feb 23 18:58:52 * satmd rms sts' rm Feb 23 18:58:54 Stskeeps: you n900 by accident? I herd it is dangerous. Feb 23 18:58:56 Stskeeps: http://xkcd.com/705/ Feb 23 18:59:22 http://xkcd.com/424/ ubuntu muhahaha Feb 23 18:59:56 xkcd uri wars! Feb 23 19:00:12 322 Feb 23 19:00:14 ♥ Feb 23 19:01:33  ♥ Feb 23 19:01:34 ♥ ♥ Feb 23 19:01:35 >.> Feb 23 19:01:57 * Myrtti sprays some of her White Musk perfume on pronto Feb 23 19:02:02 eep! Feb 23 19:02:26 now i smell oh so pretty ^_^ -.- Feb 23 19:02:57 * Arif_ hands pronto some earrings Feb 23 19:03:10 :s Feb 23 19:03:26 xkcd://! Feb 23 19:05:10 is it possible to load ovi maps and not use connection? Feb 23 19:05:19 you ever realized: Feb 23 19:05:27 ~ignore DocScrutinizer Feb 23 19:05:27 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer!" Feb 23 19:05:44 infobot's a girl :-D Feb 23 19:05:54 DocScrutinizer: so is #ubuntu main bot too Feb 23 19:05:55 sobczyk: the wiki somewhere - and the talk page too - had long discussions about that Feb 23 19:06:04 short: yes Feb 23 19:06:16 long: needs some work to get that up on 64 bit Feb 23 19:06:17 DocScrutinizer: most bots are Feb 23 19:06:28 guess why :-P Feb 23 19:06:37 because we can multitask Feb 23 19:06:42 * satmd eyes these 189.2.* users Feb 23 19:06:42 (women) Feb 23 19:06:44 DocScrutinizer: her owner fails to come up with a human girl Feb 23 19:07:02 satmd: lots of people working in the same office Feb 23 19:07:06 oh~ Feb 23 19:07:10 * luke-jr has 2-3 human girls, so his bot is male. Feb 23 19:07:26 * satmd has one male bot and several female bots Feb 23 19:07:33 luke-jr: I tend to adopt your thoughts, though I like Myrtti's idea much better Feb 23 19:07:47 DocScrutinizer: I can multitask. Feb 23 19:07:55 these are my personal !cookie supply Feb 23 19:07:56 :> Feb 23 19:12:25 hmm ... has anyone used the linux nokia flasher to place their n8*0's usb into host mode? Feb 23 19:12:50 if so, was the procedure identical to that of the os flashing? Feb 23 19:14:40 identical certainly not Feb 23 19:15:34 never noticed you could use the host based nokia flashed to switch the gadget to host mode. Sounds idiotic anyway Feb 23 19:16:00 tis part of the application, go figure Feb 23 19:16:48 boolean, just set it on the device Feb 23 19:16:54 or build yourself an OTG adaptor. Feb 23 19:17:23 pc connectivity manager, or somesuch Feb 23 19:17:30 DocScrutinizer, bootloader is always client. Feb 23 19:17:45 DocScrutinizer, the flag is relevant to when you're actually booting the kernel. Feb 23 19:17:57 yes, but then who cares bout bootloader? Feb 23 19:18:24 him who wants to flash Feb 23 19:18:35 duh, it's a flag - persistent Feb 23 19:18:59 flasher talks to NOLO Feb 23 19:19:00 as I got it Feb 23 19:19:04 GeneralAntilles: the problem I have bene having is when setting to host, the only status is keeps is a_wait_bcon Feb 23 19:21:08 GeneralAntilles: so ifr I got it right it's like setting a kernel cmdline option in BL Feb 23 19:21:16 ? Feb 23 19:21:29 'like' Feb 23 19:21:46 DocScrutinizer, believe so. Feb 23 19:22:06 starts in client mode, the kernel will restore it during boot Feb 23 19:22:06 thanks for clarifying Feb 23 19:22:24 it=modus operandi Feb 23 19:22:33 does anyone know what that usb status is? ( a_wait_bcon ) Feb 23 19:22:51 all i get is some reference that it is required for shutdown Feb 23 19:26:15 boolean: waiting for connection Feb 23 19:26:31 means that you are in host or in OTG mode afaik Feb 23 19:28:02 konttori: thanks.. that would explain things Feb 23 19:28:14 while trying to run pyside opengl 2dpainting example i got a pyopengl must be installed .. oh god ... it s not available ! Feb 23 19:30:39 New programming forum! http://www.hackersrus.info JOIN! Feb 23 19:32:08 are there some other maps with gps for the n900? ovi maps has a very pooor s korea coverage, openstreetmaps is perfect though I don't know if i can download the maps Feb 23 19:32:33 sobczyk: try using the program "maep" with openstreetmaps (it's default i believe) Feb 23 19:33:41 god damn, over 88k downloads Feb 23 19:33:46 jebba: can I store maps on the device Feb 23 19:34:27 yes Feb 23 19:34:37 great :) Feb 23 19:34:54 it does google maps, openstreetmaps, and one or two others. Very nice lean app. Feb 23 19:34:57 zaheer__, I'm deferring any changes in Extra Decoders Support until PR1.2 is released Feb 23 19:35:01 just so you know Feb 23 19:35:45 hopefully the good people at nokia will let me play with a pre-release so I can prepare a compatible package, if required Feb 23 19:36:00 TomaszD, yeah, that's on Maemo 5. Feb 23 19:36:05 TomaszD, back in my day. . . . :P Feb 23 19:36:36 GeneralAntilles, I'm slow today, what do you mean Feb 23 19:37:04 TomaszD, smaller userbase back in the day. Feb 23 19:37:10 ah, heh Feb 23 19:37:27 well, I never expected to get over 88k downloads of my humble package Feb 23 19:37:35 it's the third most popular Feb 23 19:37:40 New programming forum http://www.hackersrus.info/index.php JOIN! Feb 23 19:37:42 I got 7 EUR in donations! Feb 23 19:38:27 TomaszD: what's the link to your package page? Feb 23 19:38:35 that's why I'm a bit concerned if they decide to mess with GStreamer any further and potentially break over 88k devices Feb 23 19:38:55 how is expand/collapse supposed to be handled in hildon/gtk.Treeview? Feb 23 19:39:06 jebba, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/decoders-support/ Feb 23 19:40:13 wow. Even my silly little burgerspace has 8000 hits now. I guess they are updating the download totals more often or something now. Feb 23 19:43:19 x-fade made them more accurate yeah Feb 23 19:45:09 more accurate? Feb 23 19:45:27 think it uses repo downloads Feb 23 19:45:35 it did before Feb 23 19:45:55 what is burgerspace? Feb 23 19:47:04 I remember burgertime Feb 23 19:47:20 well, the stats got stuck for more than a month :) seems that they are working now Feb 23 19:47:29 hello all. little question wich size needs virtual hard disk to install maemo on pc (netbook) ? Feb 23 19:47:42 Heh, one thing that's cool is that Extra Decoders Support depends on Ogg Support, pulling it into the top 10 :D Feb 23 19:48:07 there's a small discrepancy in numbers of downloads, as it didn't depend on it since the very beginning Feb 23 19:50:48 What's that program that routes 3G connectivity through an adhoc wireless connection? Got banned from iphone app store. Feb 23 19:50:51 well we need to make the map thing more accurate too then Feb 23 19:50:52 ShadowJK, penguinbait, ya, like burgertime: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace/ Feb 23 19:51:08 VDVsx, how do we get everyone sticking pins into the map Feb 23 19:51:27 lcuk !!!!! Feb 23 19:51:30 without putting a picture of Stskeeps there Feb 23 19:51:37 pin the mouse on the admin Feb 23 19:51:41 hiya pb Feb 23 19:52:16 Finally got a n900 (two week loaner arrived yesterday) Feb 23 19:53:17 lcuk: make it look like nipples Feb 23 19:53:22 then everyone will want to poke it Feb 23 19:53:41 nahhh whenever that happens i end up licking the screen Feb 23 19:53:45 lol Feb 23 19:53:46 never get milk tho Feb 23 19:54:01 * w00t notes to self: never touch lcuk's touchscreens Feb 23 19:54:02 penguinbait, w00t then Feb 23 19:54:05 http://penguinbait.com/n900.jpg Feb 23 19:54:10 my touchscreens are never licked Feb 23 19:54:14 w00t w00t Feb 23 19:54:19 lcuk: but but.. tactile feedback! Feb 23 19:54:24 penguinbait: indeed. Feb 23 19:54:38 02/23@20:54:19 <#maemo/w00t> lcuk: but but.. tactile feedback! Feb 23 19:54:42 w00t do you get frustrated when random passers by touch your normal untouchscreen monitor? Feb 23 19:54:46 is it a disturbing thing that I now want to lick my n900 to try this? Feb 23 19:54:46 * wazd has found Bioshock fan site kit Feb 23 19:54:54 penguinbait: is that native/ Feb 23 19:55:07 SpeedEvil yes of course Feb 23 19:55:10 how to make media player play mkv files Feb 23 19:55:14 nice indeed Feb 23 19:55:41 jacekowski, do you have Extra Decoders Support package installed? Feb 23 19:55:47 penguinbait: uh, you have kde4 on there?? Is that floating aroudn in the repos or something? Or illusion? Feb 23 19:55:52 lcuk, I thought you were making an app to teach men how to eat women, you practice by licking your n900 Feb 23 19:56:07 <_andy> penguinbait: so much win. (http://penguinbait.com/n900.jpg) Feb 23 19:56:08 it is KDE 3.5.8 Feb 23 19:56:12 liqwomen is in progress Feb 23 19:56:38 I thought so Feb 23 19:56:39 TomaszD: do you think i would ask if i didn't? Feb 23 19:56:41 li what? Feb 23 19:56:53 lcuk: lickwomen! Feb 23 19:56:56 _andy what? Feb 23 19:57:04 penguinbait: how? Feb 23 19:57:36 w00t, its right, i made an ircbot Feb 23 19:57:45 I compiled KDE 3.5.8 for Diablo, and it still works, needs some tweaking though, probably a complete recompile is called for Feb 23 19:57:51 TomaszD: Mantainer: Tomasz Dominikowski Feb 23 19:57:54 but it runs better than on the 810 Feb 23 19:58:01 penguinbait, no shit Feb 23 19:58:04 TomaszD: it's working in mplayer Feb 23 19:58:19 no shit Feb 23 19:58:25 <_andy> penguinbait: your picture is awesome. Feb 23 19:58:38 jacekowski, I would demand my money back if it doesn't work, especially without reading the troubleshooting guide Feb 23 19:58:54 * lcuk freezes Feb 23 19:58:56 TomaszD: i want my money back Feb 23 19:59:11 :) Feb 23 19:59:46 jebba did a birdy tell me right you were quite well into qt 3.x at some point in history Feb 23 19:59:52 Ah joiku Feb 23 19:59:59 TomaszD: where is that troubleshooting guide? Feb 23 20:00:02 jacekowski, are you trying to play a Matroska container with HD video and/or H.264 Main/High profile, you're out of luck Feb 23 20:00:20 jacekowski, http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/wiki/Troubleshooting Feb 23 20:00:40 nice shot penguinbait ! Feb 23 20:00:46 ffh264 Feb 23 20:01:01 that's what mplayer says Feb 23 20:01:17 lcuk: a birdy mighta, but i'm not well into qt3 afaik Feb 23 20:01:18 it doesn't works to me with a dlna server Feb 23 20:01:38 then it's most likely not a profile the N900 is able to play back, it only support H.264 Baseline 3.0 Feb 23 20:02:14 jacekowski, is the mkv file listed in the media player? Feb 23 20:02:16 well, mplayer on n900 plays it Feb 23 20:02:19 yes it is Feb 23 20:02:57 jacekowski, mplayer is ffmpeg, media player is gstreamer, but you know that, so what else do you want Feb 23 20:03:24 UI Feb 23 20:03:31 try SiB Feb 23 20:03:32 TomaszD: if I use gst-ffmpeg? Feb 23 20:03:59 drizztbsd, it's already installed if you use Extra Decoders, doesn't work for advanced profiles Feb 23 20:04:13 because of an hardware limitation? Feb 23 20:04:25 there is no hardware support for the advanced profiles Feb 23 20:04:40 ok Feb 23 20:04:41 mkv is only a container Feb 23 20:04:43 thanks :) Feb 23 20:04:50 sobczyk_, I think we all know that... Feb 23 20:05:09 i'm not sure if i have problem with container or with it's content Feb 23 20:05:15 so why the default player does not show mkv files/ Feb 23 20:05:18 so does mplayer use only software decoding? Feb 23 20:05:24 sobczyk_, it does Feb 23 20:05:43 drizztbsd, it does have some NEON optimizations for ARM Feb 23 20:05:48 but other than that, software Feb 23 20:06:16 jacekowski, try installing SiB, it's an mplayer Qt GUI Feb 23 20:06:21 it's in devel I think Feb 23 20:06:24 fwiw, peripherally related, i built the ffmpeg in extras-devel (or wherever it is) with neon fooness too. Feb 23 20:06:32 i've tried kmplayer and it failed Feb 23 20:07:01 file a bug then Feb 23 20:08:27 I would imagine that all the profiles of H.264 could be made to work, but I don't think it's possible to do this without removing hardware acceleration for the baseline profile, ie. by ripping out the default decoder Feb 23 20:08:38 and you don't want that kind of battery drain Feb 23 20:09:22 also, it's not permitted to replace any system files, it can be done, but I'd get banned from Extras :) Feb 23 20:09:27 so live with what you have Feb 23 20:09:53 but you can change codec preference Feb 23 20:10:25 I don't think so, but would love to be proven otherwise, the code for extra decoders is open and public, patches welcome Feb 23 20:10:34 the media player is closed source and will not be opened Feb 23 20:10:57 it can always be reversed Feb 23 20:11:05 for reference, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1235 Feb 23 20:11:06 Bug 1235: Please consider open-sourcing the media player Feb 23 20:11:09 will meego work on n900? Feb 23 20:11:14 :) Feb 23 20:11:15 go ahead jacekowski ... Feb 23 20:12:12 i'm just wondering how long it would take for nokia to send cease and desist letter Feb 23 20:12:26 it would still be a pointless exercise Feb 23 20:12:41 and not legal Feb 23 20:12:48 main and high profiles aren't really designed for mobile devices Feb 23 20:14:07 i've downloaded scratchbox VM finally Feb 23 20:14:33 so i'll play with it Feb 23 20:14:43 alright Feb 23 20:15:19 uhm maybe I can use 2 video stream in the mkv file Feb 23 20:15:30 the hd stream and the mobile stream Feb 23 20:15:38 whats a cease and desist letter? Feb 23 20:15:47 drizztbsd, you could, but make sure the first one (default one) is the mobile one Feb 23 20:15:56 I'd be interesting to see if it works Feb 23 20:16:01 randomthings: a letter from a lawyer telling you to stop it. Feb 23 20:16:12 TomaszD: lower bitrate one is always mobile one Feb 23 20:16:26 aha, so r they going to send this letter to? Feb 23 20:16:50 aha, so who r they going to send this letter to? Feb 23 20:16:54 jacekowski, that's not the point. The point is that the media player doesn't have the ability to switch between streams and is likely to play the first stream Feb 23 20:16:58 randomthings: we don't know yet Feb 23 20:17:22 TomaszD: well, perhaps the media player should not be used then for videos. Feb 23 20:17:23 randomthings, no-one is sending anything to anyone Feb 23 20:17:26 TomaszD: you could do some ugly hacks in demuxer Feb 23 20:17:36 aha but its in the news that why u guys were talking about it? Feb 23 20:17:50 btw, I have pretty decent GTk based video player almost in beta state. Feb 23 20:18:04 aha Feb 23 20:18:08 ok Feb 23 20:18:12 in case you would be interested in adding the mkv stream selection to it Feb 23 20:18:30 at the moment, it just uses playbin2 to play whatever it would play as default. Feb 23 20:18:40 but it's easy to extend that behavior. Feb 23 20:18:46 which is what the media player does I think Feb 23 20:18:53 I think so too Feb 23 20:18:53 maybe there is some qt player with phonon gstreamer backend Feb 23 20:19:00 i thinks it's supported Feb 23 20:19:06 probably not. Feb 23 20:19:18 but perhaps someone could make one. Feb 23 20:19:30 no, I just use big words, I'm not a coder, I just package things up konttori Feb 23 20:19:45 can't help you with the code Feb 23 20:19:59 TomaszD: are you polish? Feb 23 20:20:03 humm.. well, perhaps I can add the code. But don't have the time just now to do it. Feb 23 20:20:15 gstreamer is not rocket science. Feb 23 20:20:17 jacekowski, indeed Feb 23 20:20:38 (using it atleast - never coded anything in it) Feb 23 20:20:41 can anyone tell me that in the webbrowser how to change the default search from mobile version of google to the desktop version of it Feb 23 20:21:15 it's probably in about:config somewhere Feb 23 20:21:33 be careful though Feb 23 20:21:35 unfortunately, i think it will revert to the stock google on restart Feb 23 20:21:46 so in url place i should write about:config Feb 23 20:21:50 yes Feb 23 20:23:01 type search Feb 23 20:23:09 the third result is the string you want to change Feb 23 20:24:13 nothing coming up just the lil orange bar moving left n right Feb 23 20:24:41 i typed about:config in the url text box Feb 23 20:24:55 well it should work, it works here Feb 23 20:25:02 although I don't know how to edit the fields Feb 23 20:25:03 hmm Feb 23 20:25:08 aha Feb 23 20:25:38 there should simply be a text file which we could open in a text editor and change Feb 23 20:26:35 what's the deal with downloading firefox Feb 23 20:26:35 hey guys, I have one question, can I control the mediaplayer on the command line. Or have somebody more information to the mediaplayer or audio control? Feb 23 20:26:41 isn't "web" already firefox? Feb 23 20:26:47 no Feb 23 20:26:49 corecode, no. Feb 23 20:26:51 It's Gecko Feb 23 20:26:55 corecode: microb is based on gecko Feb 23 20:26:56 Gecko is not FireFox. Feb 23 20:26:58 because I Feb 23 20:27:03 it's better to use tablet-encode or handbrake? Feb 23 20:27:04 corecode: firefox is also based on gecko Feb 23 20:27:15 corecode: but they differ fairly widely Feb 23 20:27:32 myforke: this may give some pointers: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play Feb 23 20:28:05 thanks jebba, I will check this .. Feb 23 20:28:38 because I Feb 23 20:30:24 It would be cool if gst could fall back to another decoder for h264 main... Feb 23 20:30:51 ShadowJK: indeed Feb 23 20:31:04 it would be Feb 23 20:31:08 hmm... perhaps I can discuss about it tomorrow. Feb 23 20:31:24 support won't make it for pr1.2, but perhaps to a later release, if it's doable. Feb 23 20:31:35 that would be great Feb 23 20:31:39 ah Feb 23 20:31:52 would be even better to have the main profile decoded by dsp. Feb 23 20:32:02 so why would i use firefox and not microb Feb 23 20:32:31 konttori, of course Feb 23 20:32:32 :) Feb 23 20:33:07 ff has tabs Feb 23 20:33:45 corecode, and better plugin compatibility. Feb 23 20:33:52 corecode, plus an open source UI Feb 23 20:33:58 btw, MPlayer on smartq knows how to fall back from the hw h264 decoder to software decoder ;-) Feb 23 20:34:02 Downsides are it's bigger and slower. Feb 23 20:34:08 midori is decent on n900 too, but the screen updates are slower. Feb 23 20:34:14 (with terrible performance on 667MHz arm9) Feb 23 20:34:32 re Feb 23 20:36:07 Take the NEON optimizations from ffmpeg, put them in CoreAVC and you've got a performance winner Feb 23 20:36:51 coreavc is amazing on its own Feb 23 20:38:10 * andrewfblack needs more hours in the day Feb 23 20:38:38 Hi Feb 23 20:40:21 ? Feb 23 20:40:54 lo Feb 23 20:41:05 hello Feb 23 20:41:49 u have N900? Feb 23 20:42:39 anyone have a n900 case they like? I think I need to give in and get one (after dropping mine in the snow because it's too slippery) Feb 23 20:42:58 it'd be pretty interesting to see coreavc vs ffmpeg on Cortex A8 actually... supposedly CoreAVC suffers on CPUs with small caches Feb 23 20:43:59 hardaker: I've got this one and it's pretty good http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLACK-LEATHER-WALLET-CASE-COVER-SKIN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-UK_W0QQitemZ160381021922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item2557742ee2 Feb 23 20:44:28 hardaker: http://git.pipapo.org/n900case/n900_shell.html Feb 23 20:44:32 does it sit in the case when you use it, or do you take it out? Feb 23 20:44:55 sits in there, it has a plastic thing that goes into the keyboard Feb 23 20:44:58 cehteh: Sweet! Feb 23 20:45:10 i use the cp-321 case Feb 23 20:45:23 brik: ah. I'm not sure I could live with the fold-over though. Feb 23 20:46:00 Owen: that's just a hip case though right? I want a protective always-on case Feb 23 20:46:28 it stays on in my pocket Feb 23 20:46:46 http://nokiaexperts.com/review-noreve-traditional-leather-case-metal-belt-clip-nokia-n900/ Feb 23 20:46:51 that looked good, but expensive Feb 23 20:47:05 * cehteh plans to make an outer shell which will be waterproof with bike mount Feb 23 20:47:08 corners are exposed though so drop may still damage Feb 23 20:47:16 (acryl plate) Feb 23 20:47:24 yep... that's the problem with a sliding screen... Feb 23 20:48:21 also using this one (mine's very much protected :P) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLUE-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150393503361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item230426be81#ht_2508wt_1165 Feb 23 20:49:00 brik: and you like it I take it? Feb 23 20:49:06 looks interesting Feb 23 20:50:10 ya Feb 23 20:51:07 good night to all who have night time in their zones right now zzzzzzzz Feb 23 20:51:17 I want a waterproof case with a capacitive screen on top Feb 23 20:51:32 someone on maemo talk said one of those scraped paint of their phone tho, but mine's fine after 2-3 months of using that one Feb 23 20:51:35 brik: how are the things attached? glued? especially the top frame Feb 23 20:52:13 it has clips that goes on the side of it Feb 23 20:52:24 ah ok Feb 23 20:52:31 there is also this one, but I haven't seen reviews of it anywhere http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Simple-Casewith-Protector-Rubberized/dp/B002XZM0V2 Feb 23 20:52:35 plastic clips? Feb 23 20:52:45 abs with rubber sounds good Feb 23 20:53:16 ya plastic Feb 23 20:54:34 well i have mine, hard shell, and neoprene gives a good grip, plus good corner protection Feb 23 20:54:48 just cant slide it out while its inside Feb 23 20:55:00 got fMMS working earlier, tis good Feb 23 20:55:17 fMMS rocks Feb 23 20:55:58 I'm used to use MMS so without fMMS I would be in sorrow Feb 23 20:56:37 what's maximum width setting? 300? Feb 23 20:57:55 I have 300 Feb 23 20:57:59 it depends on your operator Feb 23 20:58:07 you can find the settings from fmms page Feb 23 20:59:04 cool Feb 23 21:00:19 got a replacement stylus Feb 23 21:00:31 not that impressed Feb 23 21:01:20 it is moulded in two parts, straight down the middle Feb 23 21:01:58 and there is a mould seam right on tip Feb 23 21:02:13 could scratch screen Feb 23 21:02:37 I want a stylus with a pen in it.... Had one for my treo and LOVED it Feb 23 21:02:50 well, my stupid sip-only bluetooth keyboard pairs and connects now, just gotta figure out how to actually map the damn thing to use it :< Feb 23 21:03:06 Owen: take some unpolished wood. Rub it on it till it's smooth. Polish on jeans. Feb 23 21:03:16 * konttori was surprised to see that ign.com videos played without framedrop in the pr1.2 browser (using the flashblock to make sure it's the only flash on page wasting cpu). Feb 23 21:04:11 yeah lucky i examined it really carefully before touching screen! Feb 23 21:04:36 might polish up though :-) Feb 23 21:05:56 @jedda, on more question, can I check when the track end and start a new track? Because I'm very foul and I don't want go to my phone to search a new track... :) Feb 23 21:07:46 ok, I think all files are store with the path in the sqllite database, ok I can creat with a script a playlist ;) uii a good activity for the train trip tomorrow Feb 23 21:10:44 anyone else have BH-905s ? Feb 23 21:12:25 konttori: flash performance improvements in 1.2? ;) Feb 23 21:12:35 maybe svtplay.se will be usable then... *dreams* Feb 23 21:13:01 I've tried to use some flash sites too but they're unusable atm Feb 23 21:13:02 i cant get 1.2 ota Feb 23 21:13:12 in uk mmm Feb 23 21:13:31 Owen: konttori is a master of the maemo. he's betatesting it in his own little mansion Feb 23 21:13:44 its not released yet, and even when it is if you're on the uk firmware you most likely wont get it until between either a few hours or forever after everyone else Feb 23 21:14:35 yeah may have to swap to global f/w Feb 23 21:14:39 using now autoconnect with fMMS. but it's undocumented so I don't know how it should work :P maybe connect when there's no connection active Feb 23 21:15:34 test with current version and flashblock to see if it's an improvement... Feb 23 21:17:18 ShadowJK: what's flashblock? Feb 23 21:17:49 i was watching olympics using iPlayer on the train, hot girl next to me Feb 23 21:17:59 was impressed lol Feb 23 21:18:37 in my mind she was anyway ;-) Feb 23 21:19:05 * ShadowJK vaguely remembers his operator used to stream national tv stations over 3g Feb 23 21:19:20 like proper rtsp instead of flash Feb 23 21:19:57 but then when they actually started to have more than one or two 3g basestations they stopped with the "mobile tv" thing Feb 23 21:20:42 where r u shadow Feb 23 21:21:21 .fi Feb 23 21:22:10 quite a progressive country like that Feb 23 21:22:22 ShadowJK: remember to watch the nordic combined, starting in half an hour Feb 23 21:22:23 Amusingly I can't test with n900 if they brought back the streaming, it required wap browser through the wap apn rather than the internet apn :) Feb 23 21:23:02 there already was some of that earlier.. skijump tho.. Feb 23 21:23:12 ye, skiing left Feb 23 21:23:27 lol downgrade user agent Feb 23 21:23:39 and why does n900 write i j as ij in what looks like one char Feb 23 21:23:57 it's awesome to use n900 from pc as root Feb 23 21:25:10 hm, only does it in xchat Feb 23 21:25:12 ugh. flashblock is of course that "adflashblock-css". missed it when trying to find it from the list by the leading F. should have used search Feb 23 21:25:44 i have just heard the low battery noise for the first time Feb 23 21:25:54 bit feeble Feb 23 21:26:05 sad sounding Feb 23 21:26:30 not as much a downgrade as going through the wap gateway proxy which adds phonenumber and such to http/wap headers.. Feb 23 21:26:55 aahh Feb 23 21:26:57 owen: it's saying "feed me :(" Feb 23 21:27:12 "I'm hungwy :(" Feb 23 21:29:00 lol i'm pretty anal about keeping it charged Feb 23 21:29:15 anal? :D Feb 23 21:29:28 i have heard bad things can happen if it runs flat Feb 23 21:30:17 anally retentive lol Feb 23 21:30:38 lithium ion batteries don't like to be run flat Feb 23 21:31:10 * RST38h not sure he wants the details Feb 23 21:31:19 you can permanantly lower the capacity of the bttery Feb 23 21:31:20 its more that the device wont be able to switch itself on to get into charging state if it's totally flat Feb 23 21:31:22 you can'tg frun it that flat Feb 23 21:31:36 i have heard the n900 can't charge a dead batt Feb 23 21:31:37 cat'tg? :) Feb 23 21:31:46 although there is internal circuitry that prevents that from happening Feb 23 21:31:58 nid0, not true according to l3/l4 manual Feb 23 21:32:17 well, true according to plenty of people's experiences Feb 23 21:32:24 yeah the fail to boot thing Feb 23 21:33:02 I think the problem is if you hose the operating system on the N900 Feb 23 21:33:30 The hardware switches on the N900 when it thinks there's enough power in the battery to boot, it seems, and if the OS is hosed, then the OS never resumes charging Feb 23 21:33:50 ooo bad! Feb 23 21:34:21 cant say it's happened to me but plenty of people on tmo have reported flattening the battery then finding the device wont charge, but then charging the battery in an external charger for a few mins, putting it back in the phone, and itll then charge fine Feb 23 21:35:03 yeah think I'll get 5800 charger Feb 23 21:35:39 tbh, looking forward to powermat releasing their embedded batteries Feb 23 21:35:52 definitely getting myself one of those if they actually follow through with it Feb 23 21:36:10 Oh and charging from a computer or a generic USB charger will probably fail with dead batt Feb 23 21:36:17 sounds great Feb 23 21:36:18 I always forget people try to do silly things like that Feb 23 21:37:29 i have found the included converter to be a bit feeble Feb 23 21:37:36 * javispedro received a tmo private message a few days ago "please make drnoksnes pause when the device goes idle!" Feb 23 21:37:41 * javispedro implemented it Feb 23 21:37:46 Or through the converter... Feb 23 21:37:54 * javispedro then received a tmo private message "please Don't make drnoksnes pause when the device goes idle!!" Feb 23 21:37:56 takes a lot longer to charge Feb 23 21:38:00 Yes Feb 23 21:38:19 From how hot it gets, it's eating a good deal of the power itself Feb 23 21:39:16 my converter + e90 charger ended up being my girlfriend's spare for her hd2 Feb 23 21:39:17 :< Feb 23 21:39:44 oh well i'm off thanks/goodnight Feb 23 21:46:24 * Arif_ yawns Feb 23 21:48:16 :o Feb 23 21:48:21 someone broke the internets Feb 23 21:48:24 Is there an xhost package? Feb 23 21:48:49 why do so many people like Android. I can understand Android devices, there are a number out and almost out that are fantastic hardware but the OS lacks Feb 23 21:48:52 ? Feb 23 21:49:08 it has 10 000 burp apps? Feb 23 21:49:32 yes, that makes sense Feb 23 21:49:45 it has "appz", and its the "cool trendy oss lienucks" thing to have Feb 23 21:49:58 it's java crap Feb 23 21:50:00 :P Feb 23 21:50:23 well Feb 23 21:50:24 it's open source for idiots Feb 23 21:50:32 maybe you can send MP3s in the media player Feb 23 21:50:36 that's a nice feature to have :P Feb 23 21:50:44 yigal: I dont know... the n900 handled like user is a charm but looking at it like I do with netbook/pc/server.... Feb 23 21:51:03 gouverneur: yes, but underneath if you want something done n900 has it Feb 23 21:51:28 sure its like my second netbook but smaller and longer battery life Feb 23 21:51:34 maybe average joe doesn't care about XTerminal ? Feb 23 21:51:52 my n900 is like a netbook with crappy keyboard. Feb 23 21:52:24 my netbook is like a desktop from several years ago that "fits in my pocket" Feb 23 21:52:31 Arif_: yes, that's right, they don't but you still can't install OpenOffice on an Android phone Feb 23 21:52:39 need maemo device in a communicator format with a proper keyboard tbh Feb 23 21:52:40 that's odd Feb 23 21:53:11 nid0: that's called a netbook with ubuntu Feb 23 21:53:43 or it'd be called nokia building a phone with a decent keyboard :( i'm yet to find a netbook as pocketable as my e90. Feb 23 21:53:54 dmj7261: right, the keyboard is a limitation on smaller devices Feb 23 21:54:10 My primary reason for my netbook is the keyboard Feb 23 21:54:25 e90 keyboard is an absolute dream to use Feb 23 21:54:29 also media format support on Android just a joke Feb 23 21:54:37 the ipad fails for me because I compare it to a netbook. Feb 23 21:54:42 dmj7261: I have found the N900 k/b is much better than the Droid's though. all keys are flat so you have no 'feel' as to what key you might be on Feb 23 21:54:58 yeah, I tried out a droid in the VZ store Feb 23 21:55:21 ...It can't even browse the internet while talking on the phone. Feb 23 21:55:22 dmj7261: and ? Feb 23 21:55:23 Notion Ink SmartPad oh man what a device though too bad it will have Android Feb 23 21:55:57 yigal: can Ubuntu be installed? Feb 23 21:55:58 my buddy (I call him "Google boy" cause he uses google everything) has a driod... pretty cool otherwise, but N900/Maemo better IMHO Feb 23 21:56:14 dmj7261: not sure, I hope so Feb 23 21:56:22 dmj7261: if it can I will buy one Feb 23 21:56:50 mhh Feb 23 21:56:50 dmj7261: it's a bit too large really imo, but 160 hours of battery Feb 23 21:56:51 What I really want is an ubuntu netbook with detachable tablet screen. Feb 23 21:57:11 I want a better N900 Feb 23 21:57:12 :P Feb 23 21:57:17 the N950! Feb 23 21:57:22 * dmj7261 will accept comparable distro to Ubuntu Feb 23 21:58:54 * Arif_ wants an N900 with no keyboard, better speakers, and a better placement of ports Feb 23 21:59:10 160hours of battery life that would be awesome Feb 23 21:59:13 dmj7261 - looked at the always innovating touchbook? Feb 23 21:59:29 the cord thingy is at the wrong side of the N900 Feb 23 21:59:35 Actually, an n900 with two screens wouldn't be bad if one could be the keyboard. Feb 23 21:59:56 the microphone is facing to the bottom if you have it around your neck Feb 23 22:00:06 ....whoever thought of the placement :P Feb 23 22:00:47 yes well the speakers in my G1 are on the back of the device Feb 23 22:01:00 that's really thoughtful engineering Feb 23 22:01:08 the touchbook looks nice, though x86 would be better. Feb 23 22:01:11 yeah like the N900s are better Feb 23 22:01:30 they're barely hearable Feb 23 22:01:34 =P Feb 23 22:02:25 dmj7261: Pixel Qi's technology is revolutionary Feb 23 22:02:43 dmj7261: it will mean extremely long battery life for all sorts of devices Feb 23 22:02:44 * Arif_ hits the N900's designer with comon sense and a brick Feb 23 22:02:56 my N900 has decent amount of volume Feb 23 22:03:04 occasionally it randomly uses the music speakers instead Feb 23 22:03:16 Arif_: you give and then take away, common sense leaves after the brick, brick first please Feb 23 22:03:31 they don't use it anyway Feb 23 22:03:32 ! Feb 23 22:03:34 It would be nice if they could be a little louder for some things, but I find them considerably louder than necessary others Feb 23 22:03:53 I'm still old school with an n800 Feb 23 22:03:59 I find the average for music Feb 23 22:04:02 but unusable for movies Feb 23 22:04:06 =D Feb 23 22:04:10 my friend with an itouch is jealous of the n900 speakers Feb 23 22:04:20 But the N810 speakers rock Feb 23 22:04:22 lol the iTouch is a joke Feb 23 22:04:27 anyone know the lowest price on an n900 out there for the US right now? Feb 23 22:04:43 $450 or lower? Feb 23 22:04:45 I'm jealous of the 5800 and N95 8GB speakers Feb 23 22:04:48 last I checked was ~$500 Feb 23 22:04:48 ={ Feb 23 22:05:03 but that was a while ago Feb 23 22:05:03 im jealous of my e90's keyboard and looks :( Feb 23 22:05:31 as long as they don't go adding stuff from the N96/N97 Feb 23 22:05:36 :p Feb 23 22:05:58 crazy Nokia junkies Feb 23 22:06:42 Pixel Qi's displays do look desirable. Feb 23 22:07:28 * lcuk wakes up to frankenthread Feb 23 22:07:37 * Arif_ blinks Feb 23 22:07:50 duct tape your favorite components together Feb 23 22:07:53 dmj7261: e-ink w/color but with the capability of full color really an improvement Feb 23 22:08:00 into the uber device Feb 23 22:08:00 I tried Feb 23 22:08:07 but it wasn't working ={ Feb 23 22:08:28 did you try inverting the tachyon field? Feb 23 22:08:29 I'm only good at complaining about ready made objects :D Feb 23 22:08:53 pull out the chip, screen, and nand from n900, cram it all into an e90 somehow, done :D Feb 23 22:09:11 yes, but that just emitted polaron radiation. Feb 23 22:09:20 nid0, rehousing n900 would be a fun project Feb 23 22:09:32 You need to reverse the field polarity Feb 23 22:09:39 By interrupting the plasma relay briefly Feb 23 22:09:39 trying to get it working with the e90's dual screens would probably be interesting too. Feb 23 22:09:44 let's make it into a laptop like the console folks do! Feb 23 22:10:05 is there a reason the n900 is a brick relative to it's generational siblings? Feb 23 22:10:11 anyone care to make their n900 bigger? Feb 23 22:10:15 iphone, droid Feb 23 22:10:17 Nokia hates you Feb 23 22:10:19 dmj7261: me me Feb 23 22:10:30 dmj7261: I want a 5" display Feb 23 22:10:32 keyboard, camera... Feb 23 22:10:34 dmj7261, i did laptop style on my n810 Feb 23 22:10:41 dmj7261: that would be great Feb 23 22:10:42 really? Feb 23 22:10:51 lcuk: me too Feb 23 22:10:56 they should remove the keyboard Feb 23 22:11:01 I never use it! Feb 23 22:11:13 eh Feb 23 22:11:16 I wouldn't mind a bigger screen, maybe 4.1" but I remember that I want it pocketable. Feb 23 22:11:32 lcuk: still hoping for a tablet device with "Linux" one day, one day Feb 23 22:11:35 hd2 is still fairly pocketable, but being superthin helps Feb 23 22:11:37 http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1603/810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg Feb 23 22:11:43 thats a mammoth screen Feb 23 22:11:45 I use the keyboard, not because it's faster but because I hate covering the screen Feb 23 22:11:53 I would enjoy having bigger battery :( Feb 23 22:11:57 dmj7261: or getting it dirty? Feb 23 22:12:11 that too Feb 23 22:12:11 use the pen Feb 23 22:12:12 yigal, whats wrong with the linux you got on N8x0/900 ? Feb 23 22:12:12 ;p Feb 23 22:12:24 irc chats are horrid using an onscreen keyboard Feb 23 22:12:32 lcuk: nothing, but I have a problem with Android that's all Feb 23 22:12:37 the conversation moves on before you type a response Feb 23 22:12:48 lcuk: and n900's screen is too small for my productivity Feb 23 22:12:54 some people are better than others dmj7261 Feb 23 22:13:01 yigal, you got one? Feb 23 22:13:10 lcuk: no I'm using a g1 Feb 23 22:13:10 video output > big telly = problem sorted when at home anyway Feb 23 22:13:31 yigal...I think the n900 screen is no smaller than the G1 Feb 23 22:13:34 nid0, need to solve problem of cable length for video out Feb 23 22:13:40 lcuk: as a phone at least, and a t91mt as a laptop, it's too large for my taste though, something in the middle one day Feb 23 22:13:48 yigal, but can your g1 be a video console Feb 23 22:14:05 a video console? Feb 23 22:14:08 dmj7261: no but to use it as a laptop like device that's the consideration Feb 23 22:14:10 video out Feb 23 22:14:14 I see Feb 23 22:14:16 lcuk: right Feb 23 22:14:22 direct presentations, games, photos, videos Feb 23 22:14:23 video out is win Feb 23 22:14:25 lcuk: no Feb 23 22:14:34 lcuk: right that is good Feb 23 22:14:36 I like my video out Feb 23 22:14:38 if you combine it with UPNP Feb 23 22:14:38 800*480 means its feasible Feb 23 22:14:40 =} Feb 23 22:14:46 peoples jaws drop when you run presentations from it Feb 23 22:14:53 yeah, all we need now is upnp to actually work properly Feb 23 22:15:13 Orb does Feb 23 22:15:14 so it works ;p Feb 23 22:15:45 and gaming on the N900 is impossible without a BT controller ;( Feb 23 22:15:47 95% of my media wont stream properly through the n900 since 1.1, get audio fine but video just jams at the first frame Feb 23 22:16:09 heh, why's that? Feb 23 22:16:12 nid0, you looked for bugs filed? Feb 23 22:16:28 i noticed some video got better after updates came out Feb 23 22:16:30 yeh its filed and listed as fixed, but gotta wait for x till we see the fix :( Feb 23 22:17:21 well I'm waiting a little bit for either a price drop in n900 or another device, I imagine neither is likely in the next 6 months but one never knows Feb 23 22:18:43 n1000 should be out in 6 months Feb 23 22:19:24 * Arif_ 'll buy that too probably :P Feb 23 22:20:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35529 Feb 23 22:21:42 pff Feb 23 22:21:43 512MB Feb 23 22:22:08 or, http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/swpb/Untitled-2.jpg Feb 23 22:22:27 lol Feb 23 22:22:54 also fills the role of pet and food Feb 23 22:23:07 for further convergence Feb 23 22:23:14 rofl Feb 23 22:27:58 what I've learned is that I will never again buy an Android device that isn't fully capable with an install of Ubuntu or the like Feb 23 22:28:13 I wish I hadn't had to learn this the hard way Feb 23 22:28:14 and why is that! Feb 23 22:28:25 everyone knows Android is teh winz ;( Feb 23 22:29:18 I personally Dont like the fact that android only supports java Feb 23 22:30:27 yes, that's one sucky feature Feb 23 22:32:23 I don't like the fact it can't do such a simple task as streaming video Feb 23 22:33:25 I do like the fact that one or two popular android phones sport gorilla glass, which might help get it into the mainstream Feb 23 22:34:41 it does whatnow Feb 23 22:34:49 protective layer Feb 23 22:34:51 gorilla glass? whats that Feb 23 22:34:54 http://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/index.aspx Feb 23 22:34:59 glass thats chemically treated Feb 23 22:35:07 basically scratch, shatter, break, and everything-proof Feb 23 22:35:21 break proof Feb 23 22:35:22 doubt it Feb 23 22:35:25 ;) Feb 23 22:35:29 http://www.corning.com/uploadedFiles/Corporate/Gorilla_Glass/Assets/Video/Gorilla%20Glass_300k.wmv Feb 23 22:35:33 take a look Feb 23 22:36:46 :O Feb 23 22:36:52 hmm Feb 23 22:36:53 do want Feb 23 22:36:53 gonna watch. on mah n900! Feb 23 22:37:15 you should watch it on Android! Feb 23 22:37:19 .....oh wait Feb 23 22:37:34 i could Feb 23 22:37:40 o rly Feb 23 22:37:46 yrly Feb 23 22:37:52 I hear android only supports mp4 ={ Feb 23 22:37:59 tssh Feb 23 22:38:22 Arif_: exactly, that's another reason why it sucks Feb 23 22:38:22 and h.264 and theora, right? Feb 23 22:38:29 dmj7261: for music Feb 23 22:38:37 but mp4 video . Feb 23 22:38:50 unless I'm mistaken, hopefully I am Feb 23 22:39:10 why does Android suck soo much, I'll be quiet for a while now Feb 23 22:39:12 I'm probably the mistaken one. I just assumed it must support those Feb 23 22:39:28 not what I tried in the store Feb 23 22:39:28 :p Feb 23 22:39:36 dmj7261: it does support theora music, I listen to mostly ogg in my music player Feb 23 22:39:49 you mean flac? Feb 23 22:39:49 g1 that is on the way to school Feb 23 22:39:50 ogg? Feb 23 22:39:52 who uses that :P Feb 23 22:40:05 Arif_: I know, I know :( Feb 23 22:40:06 too bad my nokia carkit doesnt support my n900 Feb 23 22:40:24 doesnt support it how? Feb 23 22:40:40 there is a USB-carkit standard Feb 23 22:40:43 everyone rips music in mp3 Feb 23 22:40:47 :< Feb 23 22:40:51 or flac sometimes Feb 23 22:41:12 flac :) Feb 23 22:41:17 wma Feb 23 22:41:23 real audio Feb 23 22:41:25 cringe Feb 23 22:41:38 wav Feb 23 22:41:57 midi? Feb 23 22:42:07 ideal Feb 23 22:42:11 * dmj7261 has gigabytes of .wav music Feb 23 22:42:17 clearly bitmap images with the notes drawn out is the way to go Feb 23 22:42:20 also .sib Feb 23 22:42:32 nid0, interesting compression technique Feb 23 22:42:52 i would prefer scans taken from clay cylinders Feb 23 22:45:15 RST38h, added atom: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=542944#post542944 Feb 23 22:45:34 RST38h, per clock it's marginally faster than omap3 at OGR-NG Feb 23 22:52:07 * SpeedEvil listens to most music as mp2. Feb 23 22:52:39 SpeedEvil: where are you getting all the mp2 music? Feb 23 22:52:53 DAB radio. Feb 23 22:53:00 AH Feb 23 22:53:07 I'd actually really like it if there was a way to rip it. Feb 23 22:53:07 oh me too Feb 23 22:53:19 but I lisen to satellite radio Feb 23 22:53:20 :P Feb 23 22:53:23 Simply to make a 'all in one' media device. Feb 23 22:53:34 which I can stream to the N900 Feb 23 22:53:35 = Feb 23 22:53:36 =} Feb 23 22:54:36 SpeedEvil: Ripping DAB is pretty easy (depending on what hardware you have available). Hell, Psion's Wavefinder (RIP) even commercially supported it. Feb 23 22:55:05 SpeedEvil: what kind of device do you use for DAB? Feb 23 22:55:32 Jaffa: sure. Now point to one commercial DAB->PC device - other than the aforementioned wavefinder. Feb 23 22:55:34 properly wired teeth Feb 23 22:55:58 * Arif_ hands SpeedEvil a satellite tv card Feb 23 22:55:59 ds3: http://www.radio-now.co.uk/pure_oasis.htm Feb 23 22:56:11 there you go Feb 23 22:56:17 all the mp2 audio you could dream of! Feb 23 22:56:18 DAB in the radio sense. Feb 23 22:56:46 SpeedEvil: Some of the DVB-T cards might support it? Feb 23 22:56:46 then again Feb 23 22:56:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting Feb 23 22:56:51 Jaffa: nope Feb 23 22:56:59 Jaffa: totally different standard than dvb-t Feb 23 22:57:02 SpeedEvil: Ho hum. Been a while since I looked TBH Feb 23 22:57:04 I know what DAB is =( Feb 23 22:57:10 SpeedEvil: thought there was USB dongles that did that? Feb 23 22:57:11 SpeedEvil: Indeed, thought some had dual-tuners. Feb 23 22:57:30 I looked moderately intensively a year or so ago, and found nothing. Feb 23 22:58:23 don't you have the radio stations you want on some satellite? Feb 23 22:58:35 Yes. Feb 23 22:58:48 However - I want them in a little box that I can carry around. Feb 23 22:58:56 the N900? Feb 23 22:59:01 USB dongle and a working N900 hostmode.... Feb 23 22:59:07 The above radio is great - waterproof, can be dropped and kicked, ... Feb 23 22:59:14 there are no USB DAB dongles. Feb 23 22:59:18 hehe Feb 23 22:59:26 Apart from the psion wavefinder. Feb 23 22:59:26 I love DVBVIewer's streaming service Feb 23 22:59:28 and KMPlayer :P Feb 23 22:59:32 How far down have they cut the bitrate on DAB these days? Feb 23 22:59:37 Which uses a substantial fraction of a watt. Feb 23 22:59:56 ShadowJK: despite my contribution to the OFCOM consultation - it's 'what the market can bear'. Feb 23 23:00:12 ShadowJK: the broadcasters can put whatever bitrate tehy like out. Feb 23 23:00:14 * SpeedEvil checks. Feb 23 23:00:17 ShadowJK, if they don't transcode it from sat source it's usually between 256-384 Feb 23 23:00:37 Arif_: you're not in the UK are you. Feb 23 23:00:40 well, that's what Turkish channels usually broadcast at Feb 23 23:00:42 I'd assume they get it from the radio station Feb 23 23:01:00 most radio stations use satellite as their terrestrial source Feb 23 23:01:30 maybe it's different in the Uk and I'm just talking nonsense Feb 23 23:01:31 ;( Feb 23 23:01:53 Well in UK "Radio Station" probably means one nation-wide channel, which has the same content throughout the entire nation, broadcasting over AM, FM, Cable, DAB, DVB-T and Internet Feb 23 23:02:24 radio 1 - 128k radio 2 - 128k radio 3 192k, radio 4 128k, radio 5 live - 80k mono. radio 7 80k mono Feb 23 23:02:35 80k mono? Feb 23 23:02:36 sweet Feb 23 23:02:47 The radio 5 live podcast is 64k mp3 iirc Feb 23 23:03:15 bbc scotland 128k. bbc worldservice 64k mono, classic FM 160K Feb 23 23:03:16 ... Feb 23 23:03:22 80K mp2 Feb 23 23:03:31 :) Feb 23 23:03:33 it's not as good as mp3 - it doesn't have the perceptual shizzle. Feb 23 23:03:34 IIRC Feb 23 23:03:42 Well Feb 23 23:03:48 It depends on the encoder Feb 23 23:04:25 to a degree. Feb 23 23:04:43 Hmm. 112K several music stations. Feb 23 23:05:39 wow Feb 23 23:05:46 the Turks have better streams than the Brits! Feb 23 23:05:52 never thought I'd see that... Feb 23 23:06:38 28 channels - of which maybe 20 are worse quality than FM Feb 23 23:06:48 (with a good signal) Feb 23 23:07:06 OTOH - I get a error-free signal on the inbuilyt 15cm whip Feb 23 23:07:06 so why did they go to DAB anyway Feb 23 23:07:16 More channels. Feb 23 23:07:30 And the encoding was locked in a couple of years too early perhaps. Feb 23 23:07:30 they couldn't fit 28 channels in FM? Feb 23 23:07:48 that is 28 channels nationwide. Feb 23 23:07:52 or >that Feb 23 23:07:56 and no, you can't. Feb 23 23:08:05 not and have them recievable everywhere Feb 23 23:08:14 DAB supports single frequency networks. Feb 23 23:08:38 Which means that you can broadcast a multiplex over large regions using multiple transmitters on the same frequency. Feb 23 23:08:47 Try doing that on FM, and you get a complete mess. Feb 23 23:09:34 if you start at 87.5 and send in steps of 0.3 you get quite a few channels :P Feb 23 23:09:52 Yes, however - in an isolated spot. Feb 23 23:10:11 BBC was doing it on AM, multiple transmitters far away, with phase alignment compensated so that the signal would stay together roughly inside the UK Feb 23 23:10:41 If you want to be able to continuously recieve a station over a wide area, you need many frequencies for each single station. Feb 23 23:10:43 (on FM) Feb 23 23:10:53 On AM/LW - there is some more latitude. Feb 23 23:10:57 Yeah, at any time I can hear the same channel on maybe 3 - 5 frequencies.. Thank god for RDS, automatically picking the frequency with strongest signal for the channel I want Feb 23 23:11:23 hmm, I didn't know the advantage of that :) Feb 23 23:11:43 * Arif_ waits for cellphones to add DAB Feb 23 23:12:01 Gonna be a while. Feb 23 23:12:16 DAB uses _LOTS_ more power than FM radio reciever. Feb 23 23:12:19 "TooLAME utilizes the highly tuned psychoacoustic model developed for LAME, but applied to MP2 audio encoding, instead." Feb 23 23:12:32 ShadowJK: hmm Feb 23 23:12:42 Sadly we're likely to see DVB-H in cellphones before DAB I think Feb 23 23:12:54 My DAB radio has 13h battery life. Feb 23 23:13:06 DVBH sucks Feb 23 23:13:10 =p Feb 23 23:13:14 no one uses it Feb 23 23:13:19 To do this it has something resembling a laptop battery inside. Feb 23 23:13:24 Well - a netbook. Feb 23 23:13:33 4*18650 Feb 23 23:13:51 battery technology desperately needs to take a huge leap forward :< Feb 23 23:13:57 yes Feb 23 23:14:03 I demand 5 week usage from the N900 Feb 23 23:14:09 I constructed an internal generator for my laptop. Feb 23 23:14:17 hmm Feb 23 23:14:34 * Arif_ thinks internet streaming will be more widespread than DVBH/DAB now most cars have a sim slot Feb 23 23:14:49 In a secondary battery bay using http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COX-Babe-Bee-049-Model-Aircraft-Glow-Engine-New-InBox_W0QQitemZ380208961303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN?hash=item5886385717 and a small motor as a gene*rator* Feb 23 23:14:58 consider moving into a large hamster wheel? Feb 23 23:15:18 Arif_: the 3g networks really, really can't cope with audio streamed to every car. Feb 23 23:15:27 not yet Feb 23 23:15:28 Arif_: broadcast is spectrally efficient. Feb 23 23:15:55 As you can have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people listening to one broadcast. Feb 23 23:15:56 I prefer 3G though, removes the region barrier Feb 23 23:16:19 Me as a Turk living in Dutchland prefers Turkish radio stations :p Feb 23 23:16:40 And 3G is nowhere near covered enough in most countries to do drop-out-free radio. Feb 23 23:16:59 that's true Feb 23 23:17:03 that's why they need to develop it Feb 23 23:17:07 wonder if the vatican has complete country coverage for 3G Feb 23 23:17:08 instead of DAB =P Feb 23 23:17:30 do they even have 3G? Feb 23 23:18:11 where's the cell operators' incentive to spend billions and billions on massive (in several orders of magnitude) improvements to 3g coverage and capacity just to replace broadcast? Feb 23 23:18:43 so they can remove 2G? Feb 23 23:18:45 ;( Feb 23 23:18:53 and I can be entertained :P Feb 23 23:21:48 SpeedEvil, do you have a video of your internal laptop generator in actioN? Feb 23 23:22:38 no. Feb 23 23:22:46 I never actually used it slid into the laptop. Feb 23 23:23:00 Owing to the should-have-been-forseeable mist of castor oil. Feb 23 23:23:11 And no digital camera. Feb 23 23:23:14 It was ~1998 Feb 23 23:23:25 need a cleaner engine Feb 23 23:23:41 gas microturbine Feb 23 23:23:44 and earplugs. Feb 23 23:25:08 those RC turbines are wicked :-) Feb 23 23:27:22 * ShadowJK can spend hours watching remote controlled helicopter and jet models on youtube :-) Feb 23 23:27:36 * SpeedEvil needs to get his UAV built. Feb 23 23:27:43 ShadowJK, easier to buy one? Feb 23 23:27:59 Climb optimised thrust-vectoring helicopter with a 4Km or so ceiling in a 1Kg package. Feb 23 23:29:26 SpeedEvil: got a link for that? Feb 23 23:29:30 SpeedEvil, "climb optimised" its not exactly going to be submersible is it Feb 23 23:29:48 fnordianslip: no. It's not built yet. Feb 23 23:29:53 i think every helicopter can be describer as climb optimised Feb 23 23:29:57 thrust vectoring helicopter? wtf :) Feb 23 23:30:00 lcuk: nope. Feb 23 23:30:01 otherwise, they are known by their common name Feb 23 23:30:03 fans Feb 23 23:30:06 ducted fan? Feb 23 23:30:21 lcuk, actually helicopters are less like fans and more like rotating wings Feb 23 23:30:32 lcuk: It is very inefficient at hover. - compared to a 'normal' design of helicopter. Feb 23 23:30:34 * lcuk has a helicopter Feb 23 23:30:47 * Arif_ doesn't Feb 23 23:30:48 lcuk, at their full load most helicopters would struggle to hover more than a few metres off ground :-) Feb 23 23:30:53 lcuk: as the diameter of the rotor is perhaps a third or a quarter of what you'd want for a helicopter. Feb 23 23:30:53 lcuk: the cheepo kind? Feb 23 23:30:56 i want an quadrocopter thingie Feb 23 23:31:22 lcuk: It's designed to go up at ~15-20MPH Feb 23 23:31:31 MrGoose, indoor model but fully controllable whatever its called Feb 23 23:31:36 i wrote some code that had to control some fans. one wouldn't turn off when it should. eventually i discovered that it was off, but it was air coupled to to the other one, which was spinning it round. spent ages looking for that bug ;( Feb 23 23:31:49 a twister bell Feb 23 23:31:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtsA4A0tL04 <- When you have too much cargo to climb out of ground effect vertically, this is what you have to do ;-) Feb 23 23:32:27 lcuk: Total power is ~800W in a 1Kg object. Feb 23 23:33:06 * lcuk wants a decent hexapod too Feb 23 23:33:15 flying things break too easily Feb 23 23:33:21 especially indoors Feb 23 23:33:32 hexapod == crabby awesomeness Feb 23 23:33:53 ShadowJK: Fucking insane. Feb 23 23:34:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-5D_1US-BY Feb 23 23:34:34 anything would be better than this: http://www.damninteresting.com/operation-acoustic-kitty Feb 23 23:34:37 Ground effect gives extra lift near ground for him to tilt forward and gain speed, the extra speed gives extra lift and he can climb :) Feb 23 23:34:48 ShadowJK: yeah - I get how it works. Feb 23 23:34:58 ShadowJK: it makes sense to do it that way. Feb 23 23:35:11 ShadowJK: but you know the guy that worked it out got a strange look. Feb 23 23:35:28 ShadowJK, lol, I was wondering about that too. Feb 23 23:38:01 I suppose you absolutely want lots of pressure on the nosewheel - as really, really bad things will happen if it skids. Feb 23 23:38:26 So the massive tilt angle probably makes it safer as long as you keep it away from the ground. Feb 23 23:39:47 ever try landing a light plane in a strong crosswind? Feb 23 23:40:25 Not IRL. Feb 23 23:40:43 SpeedEvil, eh dunno, in the simulator the more load I have on the front wheel the harder it's to not fall over to either side Feb 23 23:41:09 ShadowJK: remember IRL you've got steering on the nosewheel Feb 23 23:41:32 I think i'd want it to caster.. Feb 23 23:41:56 or rather, I think I'd throw out the fattest passenger Feb 23 23:42:00 I think I'd want lots of control authority in the face of gusts. Feb 23 23:42:16 And the nosewheel may give that Feb 23 23:44:59 i think i'd just take a plane. Feb 23 23:46:09 bah, fixed-wing aircraft are no fun :D Feb 23 23:46:22 Hehe Feb 23 23:46:38 hey does anyone know how to prevent gprs0 from disconnecting when switching to wlan? Feb 23 23:46:39 wingless aircraft is more interesting Feb 23 23:49:57 basically i want the data connection to always be live and i want it to just switch routes when wlan0 is engaged Feb 23 23:50:11 ds3, I think they call those rockets. Feb 23 23:51:00 GA: I prefer the nonpowered version... say a catapult or a trebuchet ;) Feb 23 23:51:20 Ah, trebuchets Feb 23 23:51:24 Built one once Feb 23 23:51:34 did the sherrif show up? Feb 23 23:52:44 Thankfully, no. Feb 23 23:57:20 GeneralAntilles: Seen the Scrapheap Challenge (or "Junkyard Wars") where the farmers from Gloucester built a trebuchet to fling a Mini? Feb 23 23:57:29 It must be on YouTube. Fantastic stuff. Feb 23 23:59:20 hi all Feb 24 00:03:52 itt is going nowhere ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=543529 ;) Feb 24 00:13:25 has anyone tried a Wii classic controller on the N900? Feb 24 00:13:44 I thought that one was corded Feb 24 00:14:09 no Feb 24 00:14:14 you poke it into the wiimote Feb 24 00:14:25 or a PS3 controller Feb 24 00:14:36 I want to control the emulators with real keys :p Feb 24 00:14:43 as do i Feb 24 00:14:48 i dont have a wii classic controller Feb 24 00:15:01 the wiimote itself doesn't have enough buttons for GBA/SNES Feb 24 00:15:08 yep Feb 24 00:15:13 anything beyond a NES/GB Feb 24 00:15:25 I read on the forum something about PS3 controller on the N900 Feb 24 00:15:28 but I'm not sure ;( Feb 24 00:15:43 some youtube videos have some information on it Feb 24 00:15:45 id would be pretty cool Feb 24 00:16:10 I just tried mariokart advance Feb 24 00:16:15 and the sound is terrible :D Feb 24 00:16:52 because its coming from phone speakers? or because its bad from the emulator :P Feb 24 00:17:05 it's bad from the emulator Feb 24 00:17:18 it sounds.....distorted Feb 24 00:17:34 maybe the FPS is too low Feb 24 00:17:45 * Arif_ wonders if that's increasable Feb 24 00:17:53 ibuprofen and two beers are brilliant for this condition :) Feb 24 00:17:57 is that drnoksnes Arif_ ? Feb 24 00:18:00 Using any Wii controllers results in quite a lot of lag between your button presses and when the emulator receives them, by the way. Feb 24 00:18:03 no Feb 24 00:18:05 VGBA Feb 24 00:18:23 Arif_: So have fun running off of cliffs in Mario. :) Feb 24 00:18:24 vgba cant do full speed sound Feb 24 00:18:34 oh Feb 24 00:18:44 do you think it'll be possible in the future? Feb 24 00:18:55 zerojay, I'll try a PS3 controller sometime then! Feb 24 00:19:23 * Arif_ installs drnoksnes Feb 24 00:21:49 zerojay: wii controllers specifically? or all wifi controllers? Feb 24 00:22:02 Wii controller isn't wifi Feb 24 00:22:08 wifi as in wireless :P Feb 24 00:22:14 :p Feb 24 00:22:39 heya kimitake_idle and javispedro: how are you two today? Feb 24 00:22:54 I am trying to take over a garage project, and you? Feb 24 00:24:01 gettin over a cold :/ but its finally going away Feb 24 00:24:44 what is so wondrful about a project in garage Feb 24 00:24:56 bugzilla + git Feb 24 00:25:06 and free webserver. Feb 24 00:25:22 hmm Feb 24 00:25:32 well, some people would say garage is actually awful bugzilla + slow git, but I'm fine with it ;) Feb 24 00:25:33 hmm what proj? Feb 24 00:25:44 dosbox Feb 24 00:25:47 it takes long to update extras devel Feb 24 00:25:48 :D Feb 24 00:25:56 was finally torpedoed because of missing bugzilla Feb 24 00:26:30 you should be a project member Feb 24 00:26:51 yes, but I've been emailing the owner for months now to no avail. Feb 24 00:27:05 who? Feb 24 00:27:23 https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=515 Feb 24 00:28:21 waiting... Feb 24 00:28:27 heh Feb 24 00:28:42 either way: tracker empty, repo empty, lists empty, etc. Feb 24 00:29:06 I would at least put the repo to use, that must account to something :) Feb 24 00:29:14 so I tried the tracker -r thing Feb 24 00:29:27 and till no go ad identifying ogg/oga media from the media player Feb 24 00:29:54 yeah well javispedro garage is still unresponsive here. reminds me of why it is no fun Feb 24 00:30:17 pupnik: it's weird -- since I've posted that link I've clicked through 10 links Feb 24 00:30:27 is there a way to precache openstreetmaps in maeps/maemo mapper/map buddy without using the app/ Feb 24 00:30:41 * Arif_ would really appreciate a changelog when updating Feb 24 00:33:29 there's now a changelog snippet in the -testing/QA page Feb 24 00:33:31 I like it Feb 24 00:33:37 javispedro: i have never seen that dosbox maintainer do anything or even chat Feb 24 00:34:27 pupnik: I don't mind that, I'm not a perfect maintainer either, and "email accounts get lost" sometimes. Feb 24 00:34:39 but there has to be a policy for takeover/removal/etc Feb 24 00:35:16 just tell garage maintainer Feb 24 00:35:16 so dosbox is just an empty stub account Feb 24 00:35:36 or make a javisbox account Feb 24 00:35:59 /account/project Feb 24 00:36:01 :) I could even ignore garage and make a gitorius project and request the b.m.o component Feb 24 00:36:24 javispedro, that wouldnt be so bad :) Feb 24 00:36:29 yeah. who is the go-to guy for this.. x-fade? Feb 24 00:36:42 what ever you do javispedro we want some better dosboxsexyness Feb 24 00:36:43 ;) Feb 24 00:37:06 Guess so, though I'm pondering wheter to send it to -devel (to fix it this time) or -community (to discuss a new policy) Feb 24 00:37:31 avoid work Feb 24 00:37:48 hey, that's my hobby! :D Feb 24 00:38:09 and my life Feb 24 00:39:27 oh wow Feb 24 00:39:38 who came up with the default drnoksnes key layout :D Feb 24 00:39:47 me... Feb 24 00:39:52 that pedro guy did Feb 24 00:40:08 that's some funky key mapping you thought of Feb 24 00:40:10 =( Feb 24 00:40:12 =) Feb 24 00:40:17 =() Feb 24 00:40:20 but that's why you got remappable layouts even before I putted in a default layout. Feb 24 00:40:42 I'm trying to figure out what the logic is Feb 24 00:40:48 :p Feb 24 00:41:09 hint: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/buttons.jpg Feb 24 00:41:48 oo Feb 24 00:41:50 a dpad Feb 24 00:41:52 that'd be great... Feb 24 00:43:36 the issue with dosbox is that it's just hard. Feb 24 00:44:11 there's a reason there's that long faq on their site, and the maemo version is no different. Feb 24 00:45:12 if only ukki would come back with his frontend... ;) Feb 24 00:45:22 javispedro: is all your n900 work done with a N810, or do u have a n900 also? ;) Feb 24 00:45:39 my n900 is broken atm. Feb 24 00:45:43 :o Feb 24 00:45:46 what did u do! Feb 24 00:46:05 wow Feb 24 00:46:09 drnoksnes works great Feb 24 00:46:10 what's the opinion on maemo-sdk+? Feb 24 00:46:12 =D Feb 24 00:46:29 at least with mario all stars+world Feb 24 00:46:40 should reach a sane 40fps or the like Feb 24 00:47:00 the sound works fine at least Feb 24 00:47:06 it's not perfect either. Feb 24 00:47:07 VGBA was too bad to listen to :p Feb 24 00:47:29 since it's not the bottleneck i'm considering putting back all the missing stuff to get a bit higher quality. Feb 24 00:47:54 is there picasa support in maemo like flickr? Feb 24 00:48:07 * Arif_ goes to get more SNES roms Feb 24 00:48:17 Arif_: got any funones? :P Feb 24 00:48:25 wha? Feb 24 00:48:26 :p Feb 24 00:48:29 SNES roms :p Feb 24 00:48:50 I found an RS link with a few if you want Feb 24 00:48:53 sure Feb 24 00:48:58 whats the name of the app? :P Feb 24 00:49:01 this is NOT the channel to do that Feb 24 00:52:07 * Arif_ hides Feb 24 00:56:31 hey javispedro is your snes emulator optified just curious Feb 24 00:56:50 it is. Feb 24 00:57:03 coo Feb 24 01:00:18 ah, zeemote stuff in diablo repos is broken :( Feb 24 01:00:52 I finally commited the zeemote patch into drnoksnes MAIN branch, but I'm still not sure about forcefully depending on zeemote stuff. Feb 24 01:01:09 and also wheter just doing it in another process, wiimote style, would be better. Feb 24 01:06:24 javispedro: dunno :/ Feb 24 01:07:16 how can i get my n900s wlan IP? ifconfig isnt there Feb 24 01:08:24 I believe there is an app, not sure which repo its in Feb 24 01:08:45 dracflamloc: /sbin/ifconfig Feb 24 01:09:52 oh nice Feb 24 01:10:13 =) Feb 24 01:10:26 at last, suse thought me something ;) Feb 24 01:10:37 hm Feb 24 01:10:42 ok Feb 24 01:10:46 maybe you guys can helkp Feb 24 01:10:52 im running a ftp server on my desktop Feb 24 01:11:02 can connect fine via wlan from my laptop Feb 24 01:11:05 ftp is pretty hard to get through firewalls Feb 24 01:11:16 but i try the same thing with my n900 via wlan, and no luck Feb 24 01:11:19 says Feb 24 01:11:23 'no route to host' Feb 24 01:11:26 (gftp) Feb 24 01:11:36 dracflamloc: can you ping the machine? Feb 24 01:11:37 no firewall, all internal network Feb 24 01:12:16 not from the n900, no Feb 24 01:12:41 now you can check ifconfig Feb 24 01:12:48 then something is wrong with your configuration...i had a problem which was a bit similar to that Feb 24 01:12:51 does that report correct values for your network Feb 24 01:13:04 yes, ifconfig is reporting correct values Feb 24 01:13:09 i can get out to the internet just fine Feb 24 01:13:14 just not internal IPs Feb 24 01:14:08 whats laptop ip, and whats n900 ip Feb 24 01:14:16 and can you ping n900 from laptop Feb 24 01:14:19 and vice versa Feb 24 01:14:22 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 24 01:14:30 night trem Feb 24 01:14:34 laptop ip is 192.168.1.102 Feb 24 01:14:39 desktop 192.168.1.91 Feb 24 01:14:44 n900 192.168.1.22 Feb 24 01:15:02 and no i cannot ping the n900 from the desktp Feb 24 01:15:10 but the laptop and desktop can ping each other Feb 24 01:15:19 maybe something is wrong with the routes on your n900, as it was with mine Feb 24 01:15:30 can you change them? Feb 24 01:15:36 * lcuk only uses gui Feb 24 01:15:36 how did you fix it Feb 24 01:16:01 i had a bad /etc/resolv.conf Feb 24 01:16:04 * Xisdibik gives lcuk a warm gui brownie Feb 24 01:16:37 i added nameserver 192.168.0.1 (my router) to that Feb 24 01:16:45 after that, everything was fine Feb 24 01:16:49 oh yea Feb 24 01:16:50 wtf Feb 24 01:16:56 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Feb 24 01:17:03 thats the default Feb 24 01:17:07 i left that one in Feb 24 01:17:10 but were you pinging ips Feb 24 01:17:58 * lcuk beds too Feb 24 01:18:13 yes i was pinging Ips Feb 24 01:18:17 gnite guys, good luck sorting it drac Feb 24 01:18:20 tx Feb 24 01:19:11 hm then the nameserver shouldn't be the problem actually Feb 24 01:19:35 all it had was the 127 entry Feb 24 01:19:47 it must be your router/access point dracflamloc Feb 24 01:19:52 i can ping my n900 just fine Feb 24 01:20:04 maybe you're mixing lan and wlan clients? Feb 24 01:20:15 or communication between endpoints is disabled? Feb 24 01:20:25 between just these two things on my network? Feb 24 01:21:04 well, how are your clients connected? Feb 24 01:21:05 lan? Feb 24 01:21:17 drac did you try adding it 192.168.0.1? Feb 24 01:21:33 like sar3th did Feb 24 01:22:14 about to Feb 24 01:23:07 didnt help Feb 24 01:23:19 im not surprised since the nameserver really shouldnt affect direct ip connect Feb 24 01:23:28 yeah Feb 24 01:23:42 i tried to ping some internet adress Feb 24 01:23:47 that was different Feb 24 01:24:10 well, how are your clients connected? Feb 24 01:24:12 yea i can ping google.com Feb 24 01:24:18 my desktop is wired Feb 24 01:24:20 n900 wireless Feb 24 01:24:25 laptop is wireless Feb 24 01:25:19 this makes no sense Feb 24 01:26:34 ok Feb 24 01:26:40 pinging the n900 right from my router works Feb 24 01:26:48 but not from my desktp Feb 24 01:27:23 and my n900 can ping the router Feb 24 01:27:23 :o Feb 24 01:27:41 haha Feb 24 01:27:53 dracflamloc: i had exactly the same problem some time ago to Feb 24 01:28:17 any idea how to fix? Feb 24 01:28:18 it was a wireless setting on my crappy dlink AP "[x] client security" Feb 24 01:28:28 that prevents that any connected client sees each other Feb 24 01:28:36 hm Feb 24 01:28:45 but see my laptop and desktop can see each otehr Feb 24 01:28:55 both are wireless? Feb 24 01:29:05 desktop wired, laptop wireless, n900 wireless Feb 24 01:29:12 exactly like me Feb 24 01:29:24 the wireless device dont see each other with that setting Feb 24 01:29:42 prolly you have some other device but maybe there is some similar setting Feb 24 01:29:46 wireless isolation Feb 24 01:29:51 it's called Feb 24 01:29:57 depends on vendor Feb 24 01:30:02 the desktop cant see the n900, but can see the laptop. you think thats the issue? Feb 24 01:30:12 eh no Feb 24 01:30:27 well powersaving may be? (me just peeking in here) Feb 24 01:31:01 play some webradio or ping something from the n900 to put the wireless into active state Feb 24 01:31:31 thats another problem there .. if powersaving is enabled the n900 doesnt see incoming traffic Feb 24 01:31:34 the n900 cant ping the desktop either. its like the n900 has no knowledge of the internal network except for the router itself Feb 24 01:32:05 then some wrong config? Feb 24 01:32:07 dracflamloc: wired ones can't see wireless ones and vice versa. it's the wireless isolation. check out your router configuration Feb 24 01:32:15 dracflamloc: check your access point config Feb 24 01:32:24 im looking right now Feb 24 01:32:27 not seeing anything like that Feb 24 01:32:36 configured by dhcp? Feb 24 01:32:44 tried both Feb 24 01:33:12 ah Feb 24 01:33:15 my router calls it Feb 24 01:33:21 privacy separator Feb 24 01:33:22 however Feb 24 01:33:27 its already disabled Feb 24 01:33:41 check netmasks and networks Feb 24 01:33:55 its a router or a bridge? Feb 24 01:34:03 router Feb 24 01:34:25 well the ports on its back and the wlan interface are prolly bridged / switched Feb 24 01:35:37 this soho 'routers' are rather switches which only one routed port, thats the dsl or whatever internet connection you have Feb 24 01:36:46 routing only works across networks not within the same networks (unless you setup host routes) Feb 24 01:37:11 well, the ifconfig -a shows exactly the same thing on laptop, desktop, and n900 (except last ip digit of course) Feb 24 01:37:24 this is really weird Feb 24 01:37:41 im no fool when it comes to networking... i really dont get why i cant do this Feb 24 01:38:30 well something is wrong configured Feb 24 01:38:51 there are many things which can make this fail Feb 24 01:39:00 why would it only affect the n900 then Feb 24 01:39:09 i guess something is configged wrong on the n900 Feb 24 01:39:15 but i dont have a clue what Feb 24 01:39:17 dunno how/what you tested yet Feb 24 01:39:35 disable powersaving while testing Feb 24 01:39:45 thats incompatible with some routers Feb 24 01:39:53 i can ping my wired desktop, from my wireless laptop, and vice versa Feb 24 01:40:08 o_O Feb 24 01:40:08 but cant get to my n900, or out from my n900 Feb 24 01:40:23 so, its not connected to your net Feb 24 01:40:41 hint: did you set MAC filters on your wlan? Feb 24 01:40:46 then how is it able to ping the router? Feb 24 01:40:50 no, no filters Feb 24 01:40:52 ah Feb 24 01:41:17 ok whats the routers IP, whats the desktops ip whats the laptops ip ... with netmask each Feb 24 01:41:33 netmask for all is 255.255.255.0 Feb 24 01:41:39 router: 192.168.1.1 Feb 24 01:41:46 desktop: 192.168.1.91 Feb 24 01:41:54 n900: 192.168.1.22 Feb 24 01:42:00 laptop: 192.168.1.102 Feb 24 01:42:02 if it gets too the router this means the router doesnt forward the packet .. so its likely a misconfiguration on the router Feb 24 01:43:23 some filter rule? or firewall on the desktop or laptop? can the laptop ping each other? Feb 24 01:44:10 this is pretty much the most insecure network setup you can have, minus WEP Feb 24 01:44:17 no firewalls, filters, etc Feb 24 01:44:30 still something wrong :P Feb 24 01:45:12 obviously =P Feb 24 01:45:26 * cehteh goes on .. i am reconfiguring my network for vpn too, putting the wlan into its own segment and have some problem too .. grr :P Feb 24 01:45:53 network for vpn? does that also require a new kernel like the iptables stuff? Feb 24 01:46:16 nope Feb 24 01:46:42 but my router has 3 network cards and one pretends its dead Feb 24 01:47:03 (router here means full pc) Feb 24 01:51:45 .. cleaning the port with a cotton swab worked :P Feb 24 01:52:01 rofl Feb 24 01:54:25 ok .. reconfiguring wlan .. brb (i hope) Feb 24 01:54:42 mhm .. no not yet .. vpn test :P Feb 24 02:00:19 ok Feb 24 02:00:20 uh Feb 24 02:00:38 my n900 can ping my other desktop, which is on wireless Feb 24 02:01:00 so wtf is up with my n900 not pinging my wired desktop Feb 24 02:02:10 you have a trial version of ping Feb 24 02:02:14 that limits to certain machinse Feb 24 02:02:21 crap Feb 24 02:02:23 i knew it Feb 24 02:02:36 dracflamloc: rather WTF is up with your wired desktop failing to communicate with the n900 >_> Feb 24 02:02:40 dracflamloc: what? Feb 24 02:03:20 oh i was responding to acid Feb 24 02:03:25 yea so what IS with my desktop Feb 24 02:03:32 its running ubuntu 9.10 Feb 24 02:07:30 LOL acidjazz Feb 24 02:09:57 yea wtf Feb 24 02:10:00 this is pissing me off Feb 24 02:10:20 the error is likely on your side Feb 24 02:10:31 im sure Feb 24 02:10:37 still doesnt make sense Feb 24 02:17:29 sup Feb 24 02:17:56 is jaffa here? Feb 24 02:20:11 im going to venture a guess that hes around but not actively paying attention to this channel at least ;) Feb 24 02:20:35 how would i get the ovi maps map loader to workin linux Feb 24 02:22:40 dracflamloc: i only see it saying it works for windows / mac osx Feb 24 02:23:24 well thats poop Feb 24 02:23:36 a linux device with software that doesnt support linux Feb 24 02:23:47 well it comes preinstalled :P Feb 24 02:23:56 not all the map data Feb 24 02:24:16 if i were to use this as a gps, it'd have to be connected the whole time to download the maps Feb 24 02:24:30 do you not have access to a windows machine/ Feb 24 02:24:50 not at home. i could download it at work i suppose Feb 24 02:24:54 i wonder if it works with wine Feb 24 02:25:48 wine is a possibility, dunno Feb 24 02:26:03 and as for not at home, is it because u dont have a windows CD, or u dont have it installed anywhere Feb 24 02:26:26 i do not own a windows license Feb 24 02:26:36 besides that Feb 24 02:26:54 its just dumb in my opinion to make a linux device but not support the desktop equivalent os Feb 24 02:29:25 my guess is if it doesnt, it doesnt for a reason, i just dont know the answer Feb 24 02:31:48 dracflamloc: which map software do you mean? Feb 24 02:31:57 can you linky pls? Feb 24 02:32:17 i found a non-os dependant install method here: http://diabo.freehostia.com/symbian/indexmaps.htm Feb 24 02:32:46 i still just dont get the whole desktop issue im having Feb 24 02:37:34 anyone familiar with the python alarm bindings? how do i actually enumerate currently existing alarms? Feb 24 02:40:47 sar3th: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/ Feb 24 02:40:57 dont ask why its on europe lol Feb 24 02:41:17 thanks Xisdibik Feb 24 02:41:24 looks good :D Feb 24 02:41:38 minus being on europe :P Feb 24 02:41:39 now the only thing i miss is a voice navigator in there Feb 24 02:42:16 voice navigator would be nice Feb 24 02:42:22 though i dont think id use it a huge huge amount Feb 24 02:42:48 i like the offline maps now :D Feb 24 02:42:49 what do you do if you don't have windows or mac? Feb 24 02:43:10 maher_: get a windows or mac? ;) Feb 24 02:43:29 use linux Feb 24 02:43:31 lol Feb 24 02:43:50 if you got a n900, you can probably afford another computer as well :P Feb 24 02:43:50 i mean can i use the map loader thingy from linux? Feb 24 02:43:59 hey penguinb8 :) Feb 24 02:44:05 maher_: no Feb 24 02:44:06 Xisdibik: i have many computers, they all run linux Feb 24 02:44:13 but read dracflamloc's last link Feb 24 02:44:14 :P Feb 24 02:44:28 sar3th: he joined after Feb 24 02:44:37 oh Feb 24 02:44:41 [18:32] i found a non-os dependant install method here: http://diabo.freehostia.com/symbian/indexmaps.htm Feb 24 02:45:01 i really love the fact that the maps are free Feb 24 02:45:05 penguinb8: how is the trial N900? :) Feb 24 02:45:48 Xisdibik: cool - thanks Feb 24 02:45:51 sar3th: not a big issue for me, considering if i ever wanted a map, i could get one from AAA for free cuz my moms a member Feb 24 02:46:25 cool Xisdibik Feb 24 02:46:42 that doesn't apply to me Feb 24 02:47:06 and now that i don't need to stream the maps from the internet anymore, i'll use the maps app more often :D Feb 24 02:47:11 will the ovi maps 3.0 maps work with the maps 1.0 on the n900? Feb 24 02:47:18 just for the sake of it being free Feb 24 02:47:22 maher_: i think so Feb 24 02:47:34 doh - sorry i just saw the link to the older maps - it was small type Feb 24 02:48:41 does the n900 really use maps 1.0?? Feb 24 02:50:02 sar3th: ahem - 1.01 Feb 24 02:52:49 given the fact that the loading screen displays a link to maps.ovi.com, i doubt that Feb 24 02:53:32 sar3th: ok - if i can get a newer maps for my n900 just let me know how Feb 24 02:54:53 maher_: i don't think the maps app is out-of-date, but that it uses a newer maps file format Feb 24 02:55:53 does anyone know which maps version the n900 maps wants? I'm downloading a 1.0 map atm so will find out at some point **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 24 03:00:02 2010