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Feb 24 03:04:33 <sar3th> maher_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872
Feb 24 03:05:08 <Dantonic> hey
Feb 24 03:05:57 <cehteh> ping
Feb 24 03:06:14 <cehteh> ok vpn works
Feb 24 03:13:10 <daniieeeell> *ñl*
Feb 24 03:15:25 <ShadowJK> The maps version numbers aren't comparable
Feb 24 03:15:39 <daniieeeell> *!corazon*
Feb 24 03:15:53 <ShadowJK> Ovi Maps on S60, Ovi Maps on Web, and Ovi Maps on Maemo are 3 different pieces of software with the same name
Feb 24 03:16:31 <ShadowJK> Maemo's Ovi Maps isn't "old". It's rewrite from scratch, and the first version was called 1.0
Feb 24 03:16:41 <sar3th> ovi maps 3 format seems to work with maemo maps 1
Feb 24 03:16:52 <maher_> i want teh big number version!!!!!!!
Feb 24 03:17:11 <ShadowJK> Rewrite is probaly easier than to port stuff from Symbian.
Feb 24 03:17:51 <sar3th> now, the only problem is, you cannot search places in offline mode D=
Feb 24 03:20:38 <Dantonic> hi anyone know if I can use wake on lan from my N900?
Feb 24 03:26:39 <Texrat_> hello
Feb 24 03:27:15 <svanheulen> anyone here use qt/pyside, can help me with a quick question? #pyside is dead right now :/
Feb 24 03:34:51 <Andy80> hi
Feb 24 03:35:21 <Texrat_> hey Andy80
Feb 24 03:35:35 <Andy80> hey :)
Feb 24 03:36:16 <Andy80> anyone of you knows if it's possible to create desktop widgets with qt?
Feb 24 03:37:56 <Texrat_> using the UI tools, I believe so
Feb 24 03:41:20 <svanheulen> Andy80: do you use pyside by chance?
Feb 24 03:41:35 <Andy80> no I didn't mean if it's possible to design them... I asked if home widgets are supported by qt... for example: home calendar, ecc...
Feb 24 03:41:51 <Andy80> yes I use pyside
Feb 24 03:42:54 <svanheulen> Andy80: awesome, can you tell me how to specify a parent when creating a widget? sorry, i tried #pyside channel but it's dead :/
Feb 24 03:43:23 <Andy80> oh I use them but I'm not expert at all :(
Feb 24 03:43:42 <svanheulen> oh ok
Feb 24 03:43:42 <Andy80> anyway... if I remember well...
Feb 24 03:44:08 <Andy80> when you add widget B to widget A, A become the parent of B
Feb 24 03:44:51 <Andy80> or try to ask in #qt too and be generic with your question :)
Feb 24 03:45:11 <svanheulen> yeah but i mean like for a group box the syntax is PySide.QtGui.QGroupBox(title[, parent=0]) but i can't get anything i try pass for parent to work :(
Feb 24 03:45:12 <Andy80> I mean... no need to specify you're susing python
Feb 24 03:45:41 <svanheulen> heh, but i know how to do it in c++ just fine
Feb 24 03:45:50 <Andy80> uhm... maybe a bug of pyside?
Feb 24 03:46:08 <svanheulen> could be
Feb 24 04:06:07 <Ken-Young> I have a program I am working on in the Fremantle x86 scratchbox.   The program seg faults, and core dumps.   Unfortunately, when I try use the core file with gdb to locate the problem, gdb *itself* core dumps before I can even get a traceback.   Any ideas on how I can keep gdb from core-dumping?
Feb 24 05:22:38 <openstandards> can't wait for neopwn to be released for the n900
Feb 24 05:22:59 <openstandards> its going to be amazing to say the least
Feb 24 05:27:31 <kumar-klescet> hi.. i'm new in maemo development feild... anybody can help me in packaging of source code
Feb 24 05:30:30 <luke-jr> kumar-klescet: Maemo is obsolete. See MeeGo.
Feb 24 05:30:37 <luke-jr> Maemo and MeeGo use incompatible packages
Feb 24 05:55:24 <RST38h> "Phone randomly launches"
Feb 24 05:55:38 <RST38h> Scary
Feb 24 05:56:33 <DocScrutinizer> Cape Canaveral?
Feb 24 06:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> depressing
Feb 24 06:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> if OP ealized the "launch phone by turning" works only on desktop and taskswitcher, he probably would find a pattern
Feb 24 07:18:57 <trupheenix> i'm getting some weird operation failed when i try to click photos on my N900
Feb 24 07:19:05 <trupheenix> anyone know what could be the problem?
Feb 24 07:21:02 <adeus> do you have a memory card in the phone
Feb 24 07:21:11 <pupnik> yeah photo app is broken
Feb 24 07:22:32 <trupheenix> adeus nope
Feb 24 07:22:40 <trupheenix> adeus, just put in a memory card and it worked
Feb 24 07:22:51 <trupheenix> adeus, doesn't let me use internal storage
Feb 24 07:23:31 <adeus> mine had the other way round :)
Feb 24 07:23:42 <adeus> after a memory card, I could only take one shot
Feb 24 07:23:50 <adeus> after that "operation failed"
Feb 24 07:25:19 <pupnik> i can still take pics, they just dont all appear
Feb 24 07:26:59 <trupheenix> any good irc clilent for the N900?
Feb 24 07:27:09 <MiXu-> irssi should work
Feb 24 07:27:13 <trupheenix> ok
Feb 24 07:27:34 <MiXu-> But I use ssh + a remote irssi
Feb 24 07:28:19 <DantonicN900> hi
Feb 24 07:28:55 <DantonicN900> how do i create an icon in the app menu?
Feb 24 07:29:20 <DantonicN900> where are they located?
Feb 24 07:30:24 <pupnik> /use/share blergh
Feb 24 07:30:42 * trupheenix thinks it's time to ditch his dell laptop 
Feb 24 07:32:59 <DantonicN900> ty pupnik
Feb 24 08:07:33 <mavhk> damn, n810 in infinite restart mode
Feb 24 08:12:03 <mavhk> can one enable RD mode via the windows flash software?
Feb 24 08:13:36 <Khertan> Hello all !
Feb 24 08:14:18 <danielwilms_> morning Khertan
Feb 24 08:14:51 <Stskeeps> mavhk: you can probably enable rd mode and set rd flags to no-lifeguard-reset, i think
Feb 24 08:15:08 <Khertan> hello danielwilms_
Feb 24 08:15:41 <Khertan> hum ... just a question about pyopengl ... did you know why it s not available on maemo5 ?
Feb 24 08:16:01 <Khertan> as when i take a look to pyside opengl example it s required
Feb 24 08:16:19 <Stskeeps> Khertan: cos it's opengles not opengl?
Feb 24 08:16:34 <frals> need 2 more votes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fapn/0.6-1, pretty please? ;)
Feb 24 08:16:53 <danielwilms_> mavhk: are you using the flasher from here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php ??
Feb 24 08:17:37 <Khertan> Stskeeps: what s the differences ?
Feb 24 08:18:30 <Stskeeps> Khertan: two different APIs, i think
Feb 24 08:18:33 <Stskeeps> GL doesn't run on GLES
Feb 24 08:19:57 <danielwilms_> morning Stskeeps btw :)
Feb 24 08:20:30 <Stskeeps> morn danielwilms_ :)
Feb 24 08:22:11 * Stskeeps is digging through all his mail
Feb 24 08:22:59 <Xisdibik> evenin Stskeeps
Feb 24 08:25:58 <Sargun> Is there an easy way to tell where my N900 is in space as compared it was 10 minutes ago?
Feb 24 08:26:31 <Stskeeps> make something up with python and the liblocation wrapper?
Feb 24 08:26:42 <Sargun> Stskeeps, I mean from acceleration data
Feb 24 08:26:51 <Xisdibik> Sargun: is your n900 the first one in orbit? :P
Feb 24 08:26:54 <Sargun> haha
Feb 24 08:26:56 <Sargun> is there something that would tell me which way is up?
Feb 24 08:26:57 <Stskeeps> Sargun: only with a bunch of drift
Feb 24 08:27:31 <Sargun> drift is ok, as long as the general direction is correct
Feb 24 08:27:44 <Xisdibik> Sargun: away from gravity.   in space up is relative
Feb 24 08:28:43 <Xisdibik> your name also sux to write lol,  i have to type Sarg, to tab complete it without cycling through more than 3 names lol
Feb 24 08:28:52 <Sargun> what's that kind of sensor that tells you where gravity is?
Feb 24 08:29:12 <Xisdibik> Sargun: the drop your n900 and see where it goes ? ;)
Feb 24 08:29:25 <Sargun> Xisdibik, heh.
Feb 24 08:30:10 <Xisdibik> if the n900 goes into you.. you might wanna consider a diet. if it goes to the floor, things are normal
Feb 24 08:30:21 <Sargun> alternatively, I guess as long as the relative orientation of the n900 stays the same, it'll work
Feb 24 08:30:55 <Xisdibik> Sargun: whats the purpose for wanting said information, just curious
Feb 24 08:31:45 <Sargun> Xisdibik, I want to make a 3d graffiti app
Feb 24 08:31:49 <jacekowski> nie tu
Feb 24 08:31:52 <jacekowski> good morning
Feb 24 08:32:03 <Xisdibik> nie tu?
Feb 24 08:32:06 <Stskeeps> my comments on #3827 are embarassing to read again
Feb 24 08:32:07 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 24 08:32:09 <jacekowski> nvm
Feb 24 08:32:25 <jacekowski> i've pasted something accidentaly
Feb 24 08:32:31 <Xisdibik> jacekowski: ah
Feb 24 08:32:38 <Xisdibik> i thought u were speakings the foreign languages
Feb 24 08:32:44 <Sargun> huh
Feb 24 08:33:03 <jacekowski> well, that was in language different than english
Feb 24 08:33:16 <Xisdibik> Sargun: a 3d graffiti app... to do what?
Feb 24 08:33:22 <jacekowski> however i don't suppose foreign would be good term
Feb 24 08:33:36 <Xisdibik> foreign to me ;)
Feb 24 08:33:43 <Xisdibik> what language?
Feb 24 08:33:53 <Sargun> Xisdibik, make 3d graffiti on a screen
Feb 24 08:34:14 <Xisdibik> Sargun: by moving your n900 around in space?
Feb 24 08:34:33 <Sargun> Xisdibik, yeah
Feb 24 08:34:41 <johnx> mornin' all
Feb 24 08:34:48 <Xisdibik> Sargun: seems like one would just doodle with the stylus
Feb 24 08:34:58 <Xisdibik> morning johnx
Feb 24 08:35:01 <Sargun> huh?
Feb 24 08:35:06 <Sargun> doodle with the stylus?
Feb 24 08:35:14 <Sargun> actually 2d graffiti could be damn neat as well
Feb 24 08:35:50 <Sargun> Xisdibik, but can you do it by moving, or tilting your n900?
Feb 24 08:36:57 <Xisdibik> so you want to make 3D graffiti using the n900, that seems a little more understandable then :p
Feb 24 08:37:22 <Xisdibik> still seems a little hard to do, and given screen size space, would be a small graffiti
Feb 24 08:37:28 <Khertan> Hum which lib exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow)
Feb 24 08:38:27 <Sargun> what are the units of acceleration?
Feb 24 08:38:38 <Sargun> 1000 units per something, per something?
Feb 24 08:39:05 <Sargun> 1000 = -9.8?
Feb 24 08:39:07 <adeus> m/s^2
Feb 24 08:39:20 <Sargun> adeus, no.
Feb 24 08:39:29 <Sargun> gravity is 9.8 I thought
Feb 24 08:39:34 <Xisdibik> The metre (or meter) per second squared is the SI derived unit of acceleration.
Feb 24 08:39:40 <Sargun> http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers
Feb 24 08:39:56 <Sargun> Xisdibik, but they aren't using SI units
Feb 24 08:39:57 <adeus> ah context
Feb 24 08:40:09 <Xisdibik> "they"?
Feb 24 08:40:09 <Sargun> Values are in mG (milli G). 1000 = 1 G
Feb 24 08:40:10 <Sargun> ah.
Feb 24 08:40:30 <Sargun> so (N/1000)*9.8 to get the value in meters per second per second
Feb 24 08:40:45 <Xisdibik> Sargun: who are "they"?
Feb 24 08:40:55 <adeus> whoever made that api
Feb 24 08:40:56 <Sargun> Xisdibik, the accelerometers
Feb 24 08:41:02 <Sargun> adeus, should be shot?
Feb 24 08:41:12 <Xisdibik> heh
Feb 24 08:42:17 <adeus> well as we are on earth an index to G is somewhat logical
Feb 24 08:43:21 <adeus> and it's cool to talk about Gs
Feb 24 08:43:28 <adeus> makes you feel like a fighter pilot
Feb 24 08:43:38 <Xisdibik> or astronaut
Feb 24 08:43:39 <Sargun> apparently gravity here is closer to -10.0548
Feb 24 08:44:03 <Xisdibik> gravity isnt constant on the earths survace btw
Feb 24 08:44:08 <Xisdibik> surface*
Feb 24 08:44:16 <adeus> well obviously it isn't
Feb 24 08:44:27 <Xisdibik> :p
Feb 24 08:44:34 <Xisdibik> well he seemed surprised
Feb 24 08:44:54 <adeus> we aren't on a physics planet that is a perfect sphere :)
Feb 24 08:45:02 <Sargun> Xisdibik, -0.2 m/s^2 is a bit much though
Feb 24 08:45:06 <Sargun> So, I just tell the user to start it in the back touching the ground
Feb 24 08:45:17 <Sargun> and then use the atan2 function to "guess" where the user is now?
Feb 24 08:45:47 <Xisdibik> dont ask me, im not even close to a programmer :)
Feb 24 08:45:52 <bilboed-tp> could someone kick Mirc out of the channel ?
Feb 24 08:45:57 <Sargun> why?
Feb 24 08:46:16 <Sargun> What's a good function to remove noise... hmm
Feb 24 08:46:20 <Sargun> That's above me
Feb 24 08:47:27 <Xisdibik> alright everyone said goodmorning, but im going to sleep, goodnight ;)
Feb 24 08:48:10 <bilboed-tp> Mirc is spamming all newcomers to this channel
Feb 24 08:48:31 <Myrtti> bilboed-tp: he's been reported to the network staff too
Feb 24 08:49:25 <Sargun> bah, I have a nasty drift.
Feb 24 08:49:59 <Sargun> when my n900 is at rest, it says that the acceleration in the x-direction is -0.3528
Feb 24 08:50:56 <pupnik> how does the N900 survive nasty falls onto stone?
Feb 24 08:51:17 <pupnik> ad the accelerometer still works too
Feb 24 08:51:31 <thresh> mine once fallen to a bike pedal from 1.5 meters
Feb 24 08:51:44 <thresh> nice mark on a screen now
Feb 24 08:52:26 <pupnik> i think the cupped design helps divert energy
Feb 24 08:52:54 <pupnik> and the back cover can absorb energy and fly off
Feb 24 08:53:40 <pupnik> but how does an accelerometer survive such shocks?
Feb 24 08:53:42 <Sargun> dkwaopdkwaodpwakdpowa
Feb 24 08:53:49 <Sargun> the magic of MEMs
Feb 24 08:53:52 <RST38h> moo all
Feb 24 08:53:58 <pupnik> moo RST38h
Feb 24 09:01:06 <Dantonic> hi sorry not sure if anyone read this before I got disconnected, I'm gonna repost:
Feb 24 09:01:09 <Dantonic> how do I create an icon in usr/share/applications/hildon so that when launched it brings up the terminal and executes a command in it?
Feb 24 09:07:26 <Myrtti> ♥
Feb 24 09:07:53 <Dantonic> hi
Feb 24 09:11:48 <villemv> Dantonic: does doing "Terminal=true" in desktop file help?
Feb 24 09:12:22 <villemv> or DantonicN900, or whomever
Feb 24 09:18:08 <pupnik> lets do an irssi camera plugin thing for instant sharing of current environment
Feb 24 09:18:48 <vallhalla81> Good morning all
Feb 24 09:34:26 <Sargun> So, I think I need to apply signal smoothing to it first, and then I can do it
Feb 24 09:39:51 <tigert> hmm
Feb 24 09:40:22 <tigert> whats up with this account-plugin-haze vs telepathy-extras?
Feb 24 09:40:31 <tigert> they seem to be the same thing?
Feb 24 09:40:37 <tigert> same maintainer etc
Feb 24 09:40:47 <tigert> which one is the real one?
Feb 24 09:42:48 <jjardon> Hello, where is the code of GTK+ libraries used in maemo?
Feb 24 09:42:57 <hrw> morning
Feb 24 09:43:10 <hrw> jjardon: repository.maemo.org
Feb 24 09:43:23 <Stskeeps> jjardon: maemo.gitorious.org has them
Feb 24 09:43:43 <amigadave> jjardon: http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon/gtk
Feb 24 09:43:58 <jjardon> thank you all
Feb 24 09:51:06 <MaceG1> Hi
Feb 24 09:51:08 <MaceG1> Been a while
Feb 24 09:52:01 <johnx> hallo MaceG1 :D
Feb 24 09:52:44 <MaceG1> Hey johnx
Feb 24 09:52:58 <johnx> I've been on sabbatical as well :)
Feb 24 09:55:26 <pupnik> http://www.moanmyip.com   female voice moans your IP address
Feb 24 09:57:05 <johnx> bookmarked
Feb 24 09:58:31 <DantonicN900> villemv I thought it might but it did not
Feb 24 09:59:16 <DantonicN900> hi johnx
Feb 24 10:00:16 <crashanddie> pupnik: moanmyos.com : "Hi OSX, you're real slick and sexy, tiger"
Feb 24 10:00:31 <crashanddie> Close, it's Snow Leopard
Feb 24 10:01:39 <johnx> hey DantonicN900
Feb 24 10:03:49 <Khertan> Hum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ?
Feb 24 10:04:11 <Khertan> i was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available
Feb 24 10:04:34 <Khertan> i was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl
Feb 24 10:04:34 <Khertan> :)
Feb 24 10:04:38 <Khertan> any idea ?
Feb 24 10:07:01 <DantonicN900> johnx do u know if there is a way to make an app icon created in /usr/share/applications/hildon launch the terminal executing a command?  as opposed to just running the command?
Feb 24 10:07:18 <johnx> maybe?
Feb 24 10:07:25 <johnx> I thought I heard someone do that
Feb 24 10:07:28 <villemv> DantonicN900: ok, too bad. "easy debian" does that at least
Feb 24 10:07:48 <johnx> try searching talk.maemo.org for "top terminal"
Feb 24 10:07:49 <Lumpio-> I can't remember if there's a parameter to launch a terminal for it, but you can always make it point to the terminal app and give it the command as a param
Feb 24 10:08:04 <villemv> open a terminal, I mean, not necessarily by special desktop file
Feb 24 10:09:00 <DantonicN900> basically I was just looking for a way to create a shortcut to a command on the desktop
Feb 24 10:09:44 <DantonicN900> but if its an ssh command for example I would need the terminal open to enter a pass
Feb 24 10:10:21 <villemv> htop uses dekstop file
Feb 24 10:10:22 <villemv> Terminal=true
Feb 24 10:10:31 <pupnik> DantonicN900: see the irssi package for an example
Feb 24 10:10:39 <johnx> right. that's what I was thinking. :)
Feb 24 10:10:39 <johnx> thanks villemv
Feb 24 10:10:50 <DantonicN900> ah good point
Feb 24 10:11:25 <DantonicN900> i tried terminal = true but it doesnt work
Feb 24 10:11:43 <villemv> with uppercase T?
Feb 24 10:12:34 <spaideri> how do you convert QString * to const QString ?
Feb 24 10:14:44 <mgedmin> with &?
Feb 24 10:15:21 <villemv> spaideri: no need to convert, just assign
Feb 24 10:15:31 <villemv> in that direction
Feb 24 10:15:49 <villemv> other direction => cont_cast
Feb 24 10:15:56 <villemv> const_cast
Feb 24 10:16:21 <villemv> ah, missed the *
Feb 24 10:16:28 <spaideri> jeah..
Feb 24 10:17:15 <villemv> technically you con't "convert", but just do QString foo = *bar;
Feb 24 10:17:30 <villemv> why do you have a QString* anyway?
Feb 24 10:18:07 <villemv> usually you have QString or QString&
Feb 24 10:18:21 <spaideri> well some else made the class and all i can get is QString * and I must use const QString
Feb 24 10:18:55 <villemv> ok, have someone else fix the code and in mean time use * ;-)
Feb 24 10:19:24 <DantonicN900> ya lowercase or upper case still won't work
Feb 24 10:20:07 <spaideri> QListWidgetItem accepts only const QString as text so I'm a bit stuck here :)
Feb 24 10:20:24 <villemv> spaideri: pass it *crappy_pointer
Feb 24 10:21:50 <DantonicN900> ah maybe i got it
Feb 24 10:24:30 <villemv> DantonicN900: what was it?
Feb 24 10:36:55 <Shapeshifter> so I still dont get what apt is doing exactly. yestrerday I installes python2.5-qt4 which pulled in a couple of dependencies to take up 40mb of space. Today I did apt_get remove python2.5-qt4; apt-get autoremov and this removed abou 8mb of stuff. And on rootfs I still miss abot 20mb of space I still had yesterday. It also decided to remove vpnc, which I had installed by hand.
Feb 24 10:37:24 <Shapeshifter> also, I suck at typing on this thing.
Feb 24 10:37:59 <Shapeshifter> but still, apt does weird stuff.
Feb 24 10:38:09 <tybollt> Shapeshifter: apt-get -f install
Feb 24 10:38:27 <Shapeshifter> tybollt: ?
Feb 24 10:38:37 <johnx> 'night all
Feb 24 10:38:49 <tybollt> Shapeshifter: apt-get autoclean
Feb 24 10:38:51 <tybollt> etc
Feb 24 10:39:33 <Shapeshifter> I also did that already
Feb 24 10:43:04 <mgedmin> Shapeshifter, sync
Feb 24 10:43:11 <mgedmin> ubifs garbage collection is delayed
Feb 24 10:43:17 <mgedmin> space is not freed as soon as you rm files
Feb 24 10:46:00 <tybollt> Shapeshifter: you did do apt-get -f install yeah?
Feb 24 10:47:20 <lupu> Shapeshifter: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
Feb 24 10:52:01 <timeless_mbp> nice, i was just told the account for a contact i tried to called had been deleted
Feb 24 10:53:39 <jacekowski> already
Feb 24 10:53:43 <jacekowski> not here again
Feb 24 10:56:25 <corecode> so does the n900 have a compass or not?
Feb 24 10:56:33 <corecode> seem to get conflicting information on the web
Feb 24 10:56:44 <tybollt> no it does not
Feb 24 10:56:44 <flux> it does not
Feb 24 10:56:59 <corecode> alright
Feb 24 10:57:09 <tybollt> it does have a gyro but no compass
Feb 24 10:57:21 <corecode> ok
Feb 24 10:57:46 <flux> gyro?
Feb 24 10:57:52 <jacekowski> corecode: no
Feb 24 10:57:58 <tybollt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope
Feb 24 10:58:03 <jacekowski> gyro?
Feb 24 10:58:10 <jacekowski> i've heard it has accelerometer
Feb 24 10:58:20 <tybollt> jaja
Feb 24 10:58:24 <flux> you mean it has acceleration sensors? because acceleration sensors are not grysoscope s
Feb 24 10:58:25 <tybollt> accelerometer
Feb 24 10:58:29 <corecode> did anybody manage to down/upload offline ovi maps using linux?
Feb 24 10:58:34 <tybollt> olrite
Feb 24 10:58:42 <tybollt> fair enough :)
Feb 24 10:58:45 <tybollt> accel
Feb 24 11:01:39 <SpeedEvil> there is an accel, no gyro or compass.
Feb 24 11:02:04 <tybollt> yeah
Feb 24 11:02:14 <tybollt> accel not gyro
Feb 24 11:12:15 <pta0007> hi, i got the application running corretly on the emulator, how could I build it on my device? any links for instruction?
Feb 24 11:12:42 <mece> pta0007, you have the SDK there?
Feb 24 11:13:08 <pta0007> i test my app on ubuntu, with maemo5 sdk]
Feb 24 11:15:07 <tank-man> you want to run it on the device or build it again on the device?
Feb 24 11:15:18 <tank-man> if you want to run it, just copy it to your device
Feb 24 11:16:13 <lcuk> mornin tekojo \o
Feb 24 11:16:32 <pta0007> copy the executable file into the device?
Feb 24 11:16:43 <tank-man> yea
Feb 24 11:16:55 <pta0007> ok, i'll take a try
Feb 24 11:17:09 <cityLights2> hi
Feb 24 11:17:21 <mgedmin> pta0007, note that it'll only work if you built it in the emulator's "armel" target
Feb 24 11:17:21 <cityLights2> is there a file like .bashrc in busybox?
Feb 24 11:17:27 <mgedmin> won't work if you've got an x86 app
Feb 24 11:17:30 <cityLights2> so I can define alias
Feb 24 11:17:38 <mgedmin> cityLights2, ~/.profile
Feb 24 11:18:00 <mgedmin> cityLights2, also, if you export ENV=$HOME/.ashrc in your ~/.profile, you can have an ~/.ashrc that is read by every /bin/sh, not just the login shell
Feb 24 11:18:22 <pta0007> yes, that's the problem. cause I build the app with the instruction from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK
Feb 24 11:18:42 <pta0007> no idea about whether i buid it with armel or x86
Feb 24 11:19:08 <Shapeshifter> tybollt: yes.
Feb 24 11:19:13 <Shapeshifter> lupu: I'll try that, thanks.
Feb 24 11:19:14 <mgedmin> pta0007, when you have the shell in your scratchbox, look at the prompt
Feb 24 11:19:17 <mgedmin> [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] means x86
Feb 24 11:19:23 <mgedmin> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] means ARM
Feb 24 11:19:27 <pta0007> ah
Feb 24 11:19:34 <mgedmin> the N900 uses ARM binaries and X86 won't work
Feb 24 11:19:34 <pta0007> that's right, i build with x86
Feb 24 11:19:46 <mgedmin> the SDK doesn't really support ARM completely enough for debugging/running GUI apps/etc
Feb 24 11:20:10 <mgedmin> so you neet to sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL to switch targets
Feb 24 11:20:11 <mgedmin> then re-build
Feb 24 11:20:42 <pta0007> mgedmin:ok, i'll try that
Feb 24 11:21:02 <cityLights2> mgedmin: thnaks
Feb 24 11:23:20 <tekojo> Morning lcuk!
Feb 24 11:24:56 <pta0007> mgedmin:when i tried to select FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, it showed: Error: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" what's this meaning? cause I only opened one terminal
Feb 24 11:25:30 <gouverneur> has anyone a almighty POWER_OFF lirc script?
Feb 24 11:26:24 <mgedmin> pta0007, good question, I don't know
Feb 24 11:26:28 <mgedmin> try closing that terminal
Feb 24 11:26:35 <mgedmin> you can run sb-conf outside scratchbox too
Feb 24 11:27:25 <pta0007> mgedmin:the same error inform showed
Feb 24 11:27:42 <gouverneur> cityLights2: you might want to use bash for terminal instead
Feb 24 11:27:55 <cityLights2> how?
Feb 24 11:28:08 <pta0007> shall i kill alll the processes in scratchbox first?
Feb 24 11:28:30 <mgedmin> pta0007, I suppose -- but what could be running?
Feb 24 11:28:36 <mgedmin> do you have the GUI up perhaps in Xephyr?
Feb 24 11:28:42 <mgedmin> ah, right, that must be it
Feb 24 11:28:52 * mgedmin never bothers with Xephyr, too much hassle
Feb 24 11:28:58 <mgedmin> then actually I never develop maemo apps ...
Feb 24 11:29:11 <pta0007> mgedmin: I have already closed the Xephyr
Feb 24 11:29:31 <gouverneur> cityLights2: well you setup your sourcing in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc create your personal $HOME/.bashrc and type bash in a terminal to test your config
Feb 24 11:29:36 <pta0007> mgedmin: anyway, I should try that killallprocesses
Feb 24 11:29:43 <gouverneur> cityLights2: then you may chsh
Feb 24 11:30:18 <Corsac> hmhm, is pr1.2 on its way?
Feb 24 11:30:36 <mgedmin> pta0007, I'm not sure closing Xephyr is enough to kill all the processes started by af-sb-init.sh start
Feb 24 11:30:38 <cityLights2> min pls
Feb 24 11:30:39 <mgedmin> so kill them all manually
Feb 24 11:30:43 <mgedmin> or af-sb-init.sh stop, I suppose
Feb 24 11:30:56 <gouverneur> cityLights2: as you seem to be n00b the command to make you bash as default is "chsh -s /bin/bash user"
Feb 24 11:31:35 <mgedmin> gouverneur, I was always afraid of using chsh as I wasn't sure if it might break my n900
Feb 24 11:31:46 <mgedmin> are you actually using bash on a n900 as the default shell?
Feb 24 11:32:06 <SpeedEvil> using bash as the default shell is a bad idea
Feb 24 11:32:14 <pta0007> mgedmin:haha, it works after I kill all processes, though I dont know what's running actually
Feb 24 11:32:21 <gouverneur> SpeedEvil: Y
Feb 24 11:32:24 <tybollt> Y
Feb 24 11:32:26 <SpeedEvil> ash is very lightweight - the unique memory it uses per launch for scripts is small.
Feb 24 11:32:35 <SpeedEvil> This is not the case with bash.
Feb 24 11:32:49 <gouverneur> SpeedEvil: with that you dont change the /bin/sh linking
Feb 24 11:33:17 <SpeedEvil> oh - using it as your user shell is different
Feb 24 11:33:24 <SpeedEvil> http://www.selenic.com/smem/
Feb 24 11:33:26 <SpeedEvil> anyway
Feb 24 11:33:27 <SpeedEvil> get that
Feb 24 11:33:33 <gouverneur> SpeedEvil: /bin/sh will remain ash (which is as I learned some days ago not ash but a modified dash)
Feb 24 11:33:37 <SpeedEvil> it shows memory per process
Feb 24 11:34:24 <gouverneur> SpeedEvil: I dont care about memory as all executions are done with /bin/sh... its purely the user env
Feb 24 11:35:21 <gouverneur> mgedmin: do it as root via ssh for user and try...
Feb 24 11:36:05 <SpeedEvil> yes - just pointing it out as it's a useful diagnostc tool.
Feb 24 11:36:11 <gouverneur> (:
Feb 24 11:36:13 <SpeedEvil> rss is very, very misleading.
Feb 24 11:39:06 <gouverneur> well you do not ask free for free mem do you?
Feb 24 11:42:15 <SpeedEvil> I mean there are no standard tools that give you a good idea of how much RAM a process uses
Feb 24 11:44:53 <gouverneur> mgedmin: cityLights2 do you still need help?
Feb 24 11:45:34 <pta0007> a naive question: why cant I open the phone disk while I connect it with the pc with mass mode?
Feb 24 11:46:13 <gouverneur> pta0007: its not a naive its a level8 one...
Feb 24 11:46:16 <cityLights2> gouverneur: no guys thnks foir now
Feb 24 11:46:28 <cityLights2> mgedmin: no guys thnks foir now
Feb 24 11:46:51 <GeneralAntilles> pta0007, because you can't mount UBIFS in two locations at the same time?
Feb 24 11:47:06 <gouverneur> pta0007: you cannot open with filebrowser as both the SD and your mmc3 are mounted elsewhere
Feb 24 11:47:09 <GeneralAntilles> pta0007, if you mount the rootfs on your computer, how is the device going to continue running? :)
Feb 24 11:47:10 <flux> pta0007, devices which provide low-level block access cannot be used by two clients at the same time, because both clients assume that the data doesn't change unless they modify it
Feb 24 11:48:05 <mgedmin> GeneralAntilles, s/UBIFS/VFAT/
Feb 24 11:48:30 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin, depending on how he's defining "phone disk"
Feb 24 11:48:30 <mgedmin> and it's not two locations that's the problem, it's two different OSes having direct access to the raw block device
Feb 24 11:48:33 <mgedmin> that's the problem
Feb 24 11:48:45 <GeneralAntilles> Semantics.
Feb 24 11:49:12 <mgedmin> truth value of statements
Feb 24 11:49:20 * Stskeeps glances at danish government program
Feb 24 11:49:31 <Stskeeps> "denmark the richest country in the world in 2020"
Feb 24 11:49:35 <Stskeeps> they so did not write that
Feb 24 11:49:44 <gouverneur> mgedmin: there are just a few FSs which support to have it mounted to two computers at the same time... and you are not even close to using them in a user env
Feb 24 11:51:01 <gouverneur> pta0007: an idea for you, setup USB networking and use fuse
Feb 24 11:52:37 <flux> just compile smbd for n900.. :-)
Feb 24 11:52:46 <flux> never mind, it's already done :-o
Feb 24 11:53:09 <gouverneur> flux: thats what you defn. do not need
Feb 24 11:53:42 <flux> gouverneur, well, if you have a window machine (which I don't), wouldn't that be an easy way to go?
Feb 24 11:54:52 <gouverneur> flux: I think it is about speed, so not with wifi connection, so the usb-net setup is needed anyway
Feb 24 11:55:26 <flux> gouverneur, you can run it over usb-net
Feb 24 11:56:09 <gouverneur> flux: yah well but setting up smb is a pita and using winscp just works...
Feb 24 11:56:11 * mgedmin tends to use ssh for file access -- not very fast, but simple to use
Feb 24 11:56:16 <gouverneur> for win at least
Feb 24 11:56:49 <gouverneur> and for windows you may just use pc_suite (which did not import the SD lately)
Feb 24 11:56:57 <Arif_> .me yawns
Feb 24 11:57:02 * Arif_ yawns too
Feb 24 11:57:20 <RST38h> heya wazd
Feb 24 11:57:38 <Arif_> I woke up early again
Feb 24 11:57:41 <Arif_> :(
Feb 24 11:58:48 <gouverneur> mgedmin: not very fast is because of the wifi powermanagement, if you have nothing running but sshd connection you will notice lag, turn on webradio and it is quiet fast, for small files it wont power up for large files it does anyway
Feb 24 12:00:00 <mgedmin> gouverneur, nah, I disabled power management so I could ssh into my n900 without random pauses/drops
Feb 24 12:00:15 <mgedmin> it's still not blazing fast for transferring large files
Feb 24 12:00:33 <SpeedEvil> pm works well with a sane AP
Feb 24 12:00:43 <mgedmin> either CPU bottlenecks because of encryption or SSH protocol inefficiencies slow things down
Feb 24 12:00:43 <SpeedEvil> I getr max lags of 0.3s or so
Feb 24 12:00:51 <mgedmin> google for HPN SSH to read about the latter
Feb 24 12:00:55 * mgedmin wants a sane AP
Feb 24 12:00:57 <gouverneur> mgedmin: never got drops, pauses only if idle for very long
Feb 24 12:01:20 <gouverneur> mgedmin: waht AP are u using it with?
Feb 24 12:01:30 <mgedmin> pirelli discus or something like that
Feb 24 12:02:05 <gouverneur> ???
Feb 24 12:02:14 <tigert>     hmm
Feb 24 12:02:18 <wazd> hello everyone
Feb 24 12:03:16 <gouverneur> mgedmin: you are using an AP from an branched out company of a tire manuf. and are wondering about...
Feb 24 12:03:19 <mgedmin> gouverneur, Pirelli Discus DRG A125G to be more specific
Feb 24 12:03:30 <Stskeeps> morning wazd
Feb 24 12:03:35 * tigert wonders whats different between telepathy-extras and account-plugin-haze?
Feb 24 12:03:36 <mgedmin> it's a wifi AP/router with some kind of IPTV support
Feb 24 12:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin, there were PSM fixes recently which may have helped. . . .
Feb 24 12:03:38 <mgedmin> runs linux, obviously
Feb 24 12:03:45 <tigert> anyone got a clue?
Feb 24 12:03:57 <tigert> same maintainer, description says its more or less the same thing
Feb 24 12:04:02 <GeneralAntilles> telepathy-extras is the metapackage, no?
Feb 24 12:04:06 <tigert> is it?
Feb 24 12:04:09 <mgedmin> tigert, there was a blog post once about all three different MSN plugins on the N900
Feb 24 12:04:11 * GeneralAntilles thought so.
Feb 24 12:04:14 <tigert> they both show up in app manager
Feb 24 12:04:17 <gouverneur> SpeedEvil: yes sane APs... Cisco at work and Asus/Linksys at home... a charm!
Feb 24 12:04:31 <GeneralAntilles> account-plugin-haze was what it was called on Diablo
Feb 24 12:04:36 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno how that translated to Fremantle.
Feb 24 12:04:37 <tigert> yeah there is the package for msn plugin too separate even
Feb 24 12:04:45 <mgedmin> gouverneur, IIRC I had issues with a Linksys WRT54GL at home and my old n800
Feb 24 12:04:51 * tigert installs both and sees what happens
Feb 24 12:05:27 <gouverneur> mgedmin: which rev. of wrt did you have?
Feb 24 12:06:24 <mgedmin> gouverneur, it could've been WAP54G back then; I later replaced it with WRT54GL (no clue about rev -- 3 or 4 maybe?) and installed either dd-wrt or x-wrt on it
Feb 24 12:06:32 <mgedmin> this is getting a bit offtopic
Feb 24 12:07:10 <gouverneur> mgedmin: no its not, the later revisions have not enough of ram to do everything you want properly
Feb 24 12:08:05 <gouverneur> a rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients where active
Feb 24 12:08:07 <mgedmin> the wrt had 14 megs of ram, iirc, I couldn't enable shaping -- it'd get overloaded after ~24 hours and would reboot
Feb 24 12:08:11 <pta0007> gouverneur: still dont know how to do that. i have set up the usb networking, but how to use "fuse"?
Feb 24 12:08:15 <gouverneur> s/where/were/g
Feb 24 12:08:16 <infobot> gouverneur meant: a rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients were active
Feb 24 12:08:43 <mgedmin> pta0007, what do you want to do, again?
Feb 24 12:08:57 <mgedmin> usually you don't use fuse directly but rather some userspace filesystem built on top of it
Feb 24 12:09:01 <gouverneur> pta0007: whats your distro?
Feb 24 12:09:05 <pta0007> install the executable file into the device
Feb 24 12:09:21 <pta0007> and run the app on the device
Feb 24 12:09:26 <mgedmin> e.g. on my linux laptop I run 'sshfs mg-n900:/ ~/mg-n900' to mount my n900's filesystem on ~/mg-n900/
Feb 24 12:09:27 * tigert sets up facebook chat in n900
Feb 24 12:09:30 <tigert> sigh
Feb 24 12:09:43 <mgedmin> pta0007, I suggest you just scp the file into your n900
Feb 24 12:09:44 <tigert> I really wish there was some auto-contacts-merge tool that used heuristics
Feb 24 12:10:03 <mgedmin> assuming you've got openssh on your device
Feb 24 12:10:06 <gouverneur> mgedmin: its about persistent connection
Feb 24 12:10:25 <mgedmin> if not, copy it over usb, unmount, unplug, copy it from /home/MyDocs (mounted noexec) to /home and then run it
Feb 24 12:11:43 <tigert> man that facebook chat plugin has a nice icon in addressbook
Feb 24 12:11:49 <gouverneur> pta0007: my fstab entry for n900 looks like this
Feb 24 12:12:25 <gouverneur> sshfs#root@cassiopeia:/ /cassiopeia fuse user,noauto 0 0
Feb 24 12:13:06 <gouverneur> a current bug in fuse prevents the user from umounting as mtab getns the user flag
Feb 24 12:14:44 <tigert> how does fuse handle network disconnects?
Feb 24 12:14:57 <tigert> I used sshfs to mount my dropbox from my server
Feb 24 12:14:58 <mgedmin> tigert, badly, in my experience
Feb 24 12:15:03 <tigert> worked nice but that was the problem
Feb 24 12:15:16 <tigert> other than that it was awesome to have my dropbox in the device
Feb 24 12:15:28 <tigert> of course a real dropbox client would be nice
Feb 24 12:15:39 <tigert> I guess there is a binary blob involved that doesnt wrok for arm?
Feb 24 12:15:42 <gouverneur> tigert: hermes was just disappointing lately, I thought it would grep all missing info from facebook but it didnt do anything but enter a additional URL for the facebook$user
Feb 24 12:15:45 <Stskeeps> tigert: bingo
Feb 24 12:15:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 24 12:16:37 <tigert> gouverneur: hm, weird
Feb 24 12:17:03 <gouverneur> yes it is and I dont want to activate this birthday only contacts thing...
Feb 24 12:19:32 <Khertan> Hum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ?
Feb 24 12:19:34 <Khertan> i was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available
Feb 24 12:19:36 <Khertan> i was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl
Feb 24 12:19:38 <Khertan> any idea ?
Feb 24 12:19:58 <mgedmin> speaking of dropbox, has anybody tried porting ubuntu one to maemo?
Feb 24 12:20:02 <mgedmin> the client is open-source AFAIU
Feb 24 12:20:11 <pta0007> I think it's better if anyone could tell me how to on-device debug for n900 with maemo5 sdk, under ubuntu :)
Feb 24 12:20:20 <GeneralAntilles> $10 Ovi manages to make the PR1.2/Qt 4.6 more complicated than it should be.
Feb 24 12:20:32 <mgedmin> pta0007, the maemo wiki had docs about that; I haven't personally tried it
Feb 24 12:20:50 <Khertan> mgedmin: the interface of the client is open source
Feb 24 12:20:56 <Khertan> some lib in it aren't
Feb 24 12:21:03 <wazd> titanium iPhone, nice
Feb 24 12:21:36 <mgedmin> Khertan, I thought that was about dropbox -- open-source nautilus plugin, closed-source client daemon
Feb 24 12:21:39 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles: i put 20 $ on it
Feb 24 12:21:50 <Arif_> GeneralAntilles, €5 on it'll be delayed :P
Feb 24 12:22:33 <Khertan> mgedmin: yep closed-source client daemon (i miscalled that a lib)
Feb 24 12:22:59 <gouverneur> how do I softly restart telepathy? I am getting connection error with ICQ from time to time...
Feb 24 12:23:33 <gouverneur> to be precise: "Network error"
Feb 24 12:24:30 <mgedmin> Khertan, what I'm gently trying to point out is that ubuntu one and dropbox are two different products
Feb 24 12:24:39 <mgedmin> and I'm not sure now which one you're talking about
Feb 24 12:25:00 <Khertan> ah sorry ... i was talking about dropbox
Feb 24 12:25:16 <Khertan> but ubuntu one has some closed part too right ?
Feb 24 12:25:21 <mgedmin> the server is closed
Feb 24 12:25:34 <mgedmin> they have published protocol specs afaiu
Feb 24 12:25:35 <Khertan> not the client ?
Feb 24 12:25:46 <mgedmin> I'm pretty sure the client is entirely open-source
Feb 24 12:26:04 <mgedmin> the name is silly, though -- they'd've done better not to name it "ubuntu one" if they wanted other distros to pick it up
Feb 24 12:26:42 <Khertan> hum ... not only the name is silly
Feb 24 12:26:49 <Khertan> but hum ... it s still beta :)
Feb 24 12:27:04 <Khertan> so i ll not made bad comment on it
Feb 24 12:27:16 <Khertan> sync is a difficult things to do
Feb 24 12:27:23 <mgedmin> sync is hard
Feb 24 12:27:28 <mgedmin> which is why I never trusted sync
Feb 24 12:27:45 <Khertan> this is also why i ven't released yet mnotes
Feb 24 12:27:46 <mgedmin> which tends to cause me pain when I need to, e.g., migrate phones
Feb 24 12:27:50 <Khertan> and the mnotes web ui
Feb 24 12:28:03 <mgedmin> the only sync I trust is sync I understand, which means revision control
Feb 24 12:28:12 <mgedmin> my tomboy notes are in subversion
Feb 24 12:28:17 <Khertan> héhé
Feb 24 12:28:21 <mgedmin> it doesn't work as well as you might expect
Feb 24 12:28:50 <Khertan> my tomboy note are all scratched due to multiple sync between conboy / ubuntuone / tomboy on my desktop
Feb 24 12:28:58 <lizardo> Khertan: did you try pyside-qt4-opengl ?
Feb 24 12:29:15 <Khertan> and to be honest i like conboy on n900 but not tomboy on windows or linux
Feb 24 12:29:27 <antii> ugh, cant seem to sync my calender with googles calander. i have set it up with exchange but still cant see my events :s
Feb 24 12:29:40 <Khertan> lizardo: i ve try the simple example 2dpainting.py from pyside example
Feb 24 12:29:43 <mgedmin> I wish conboy had fewer bugs ...
Feb 24 12:29:54 <Khertan> lizardo: it s require pyopengl
Feb 24 12:29:55 <mgedmin> I keep adding bulleted lists and conboy forgets the bullets as soon as I close it
Feb 24 12:30:02 <Khertan> lizardo: which doesn't seems to be available
Feb 24 12:30:03 <mgedmin> making it just a series of lines
Feb 24 12:30:12 <Khertan> lizardo: (same with all pyside example)
Feb 24 12:30:48 <Khertan> lizardo: i didn't look more as i'm pretty much don't know qt
Feb 24 12:31:17 <Khertan> but i didn't understand why it s require pyopengl ... as i think the opengl part was done with qt
Feb 24 12:32:23 <lizardo> Khertan: which errors do you get when running the 2dpainting example ?
Feb 24 12:32:44 <lizardo> Khertan: the exact errors, I mean
Feb 24 12:33:18 <Khertan> i didn't got any error ... just a qt dialog saying that it s require pyopengl
Feb 24 12:34:43 <Khertan> PyOpenGL must be installed to run this example
Feb 24 12:35:09 <pupnik> Khertan: any interest in brushing-up mypaint for maemo?
Feb 24 12:35:23 <Khertan> mypaint ?
Feb 24 12:35:44 <Khertan> http://mypaint.intilinux.com/
Feb 24 12:35:49 <Khertan> ok ... currently not :)
Feb 24 12:35:51 <pupnik> a nice sketch app.  i did an optimized build of the C engine
Feb 24 12:35:52 <lizardo> Khertan: did you try just commenting out those try: ... except: ... part?
Feb 24 12:36:03 <Khertan> none ... shame on me :)
Feb 24 12:36:38 <lizardo> Khertan: note: I'm not saying it will work (never tried them)  :) just trying to help
Feb 24 12:36:44 <Khertan> lizardo: lol ... now it s works
Feb 24 12:36:54 <Khertan> lizardo: yep yep ... thx for help
Feb 24 12:37:38 <Khertan> strange ... native and opengl painting run at the same speed
Feb 24 12:48:35 <Cy8aer> reboot
Feb 24 12:48:52 <Cy8aer> ;-) I hate windows...
Feb 24 12:49:01 <Cy8aer> sory
Feb 24 12:49:41 <Khertan> 1483  votes for maemo 5 dropbox client
Feb 24 12:49:53 <Khertan> so there are at least 1483 n900 user
Feb 24 12:49:53 <Khertan> :)
Feb 24 12:50:15 <Arif_> what's dropbox
Feb 24 12:50:16 <Arif_> :p
Feb 24 12:50:24 <jacekowski> file hosting website
Feb 24 12:50:53 <Arif_> hmm
Feb 24 12:51:05 <jacekowski> i was thinking about something like OTA sync for n900
Feb 24 12:52:34 <jacekowski> but rsync isn't good enough to steal
Feb 24 12:52:43 <jacekowski> so i have to make something on my own
Feb 24 12:56:41 <MiXu-> jacekowski: OTA sync - like calendar, contacts, etc?
Feb 24 12:56:48 <jacekowski> and files
Feb 24 12:56:54 <jacekowski> and everything
Feb 24 12:56:57 <MiXu-> There's SyncEvolution GUI for syncing
Feb 24 12:57:02 <MiXu-> but it doesn't do files afaik
Feb 24 12:57:24 <jacekowski> what i'm thinking of is something like that
Feb 24 12:57:42 <MiXu-> It works quite nicely
Feb 24 12:57:48 <jacekowski> you go to the file/folder that you want to be sent to your n900
Feb 24 12:58:01 <jacekowski> right click -> send to -> my N900
Feb 24 12:58:08 <nid0> what exactly is wrong with an rsync frontend again?
Feb 24 12:58:24 <MiXu-> jacekowski: You can do that with Filezilla I think.
Feb 24 12:58:37 <jacekowski> and you get nice popup with latest directory structure
Feb 24 12:58:55 <jacekowski> ( or current one if n900 has internet/wifi connection )
Feb 24 12:59:38 <jacekowski> you click where you want file/folder to go
Feb 24 13:00:07 <jacekowski> and it's sent as soon as n900 has internet/wifi connection
Feb 24 13:00:43 <jacekowski> so no more usb, using filezilla, whatever
Feb 24 13:01:07 <jacekowski> data is sent in background and automaticaly resumed if phone loses connections
Feb 24 13:01:11 <jacekowski> connection*
Feb 24 13:01:17 <MiXu-> Yes, that would be nice.
Feb 24 13:01:40 <jacekowski> and rsync has couple limitations that would prevent it
Feb 24 13:01:54 <jacekowski> + issue with most providers NATing their customers
Feb 24 13:02:14 <nid0> the only problem with that if you're establishing the connection from server side getting to the n900 connected via wifi would require router configuration as almost everyone's gonna be behind nat
Feb 24 13:02:17 <Khertan> yep it s require a server to handle sync
Feb 24 13:02:31 <jacekowski> so it would require some server that would temporary store data to be sent
Feb 24 13:03:20 <jacekowski> nid0: that's why i'm thinking about pc detecting if it's in same network as phone - and then data gets sent directly over reasonably fast wifi
Feb 24 13:03:33 <jacekowski> nid0: and if it's not it goes to server and phone downloads it from there
Feb 24 13:04:35 <jacekowski> svn like thing would be nice - but afaik there is no way to just store latest changeset
Feb 24 13:05:57 <crashanddie> jacekowski: git?
Feb 24 13:06:57 <jacekowski> same thing
Feb 24 13:07:03 <jacekowski> and there are other issues as well
Feb 24 13:07:04 <crashanddie> not really
Feb 24 13:07:20 <jacekowski> imagine text file
Feb 24 13:07:30 <jacekowski> modified on phone and pc
Feb 24 13:07:35 <jacekowski> that would fail
Feb 24 13:07:49 <crashanddie> not if you define one master and one copy
Feb 24 13:08:00 <crashanddie> and force the merger transparently
Feb 24 13:08:08 <Khertan> crashanddie: this is how i scratch all my mnotes
Feb 24 13:08:13 <crashanddie> ok, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
Feb 24 13:09:33 <Khertan> someone have try pyside opengl on n900 ? it s look like the gl 2d painting is slower than the native one
Feb 24 13:09:35 <Khertan> strange
Feb 24 13:09:38 <Khertan> isn't it ?
Feb 24 13:10:21 <wazd> wow, Russia vs Canada today
Feb 24 13:10:30 <crashanddie> jacekowski: what about ftp?
Feb 24 13:11:03 <tybollt> wazd: I think russia will win
Feb 24 13:11:05 <tybollt> easily
Feb 24 13:11:13 <tybollt> hell even US beat canada
Feb 24 13:11:35 <wazd> tybollt: well, I wouldn't be so sure :D
Feb 24 13:12:03 <tybollt> wazd: seriously.
Feb 24 13:12:34 <tybollt> wazd: Put yer money where your mouth is. I'm in for 100USD on .ru, you up for it?
Feb 24 13:13:49 <wazd> tybollt: even though I'm from Russia, I'm still not sure :D
Feb 24 13:14:25 <tybollt> wazd: you see ovetjkin tackle jagr?
Feb 24 13:14:26 <tybollt> wow!
Feb 24 13:15:19 * Arif_ is trying out all the 5 themes for maemo :P
Feb 24 13:15:24 <wazd> tybollt: well, that was Jagr's fault :)
Feb 24 13:15:40 <thresh> tybollt: Ovechkin
Feb 24 13:15:46 <thresh> and he was uber-cool
Feb 24 13:16:02 <Arif_> hmm
Feb 24 13:16:12 * Arif_ likes Dark Sky the best till now
Feb 24 13:16:37 <tybollt> thresh: Huh? http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/
Feb 24 13:17:33 <tybollt> wazd: ovetjkin or ovechkin?
Feb 24 13:17:34 <thresh> tybollt: someone cant read
Feb 24 13:17:43 <thresh> look at his jersey, ffs
Feb 24 13:18:08 <wazd> tybollt: thresh is from Russia too, trust him :P
Feb 24 13:18:09 <tybollt> that's NHL anglo spelling of a russian name
Feb 24 13:18:15 <thresh> that's stupid
Feb 24 13:18:17 <thresh> we know best :P
Feb 24 13:18:28 <tybollt> bah :)
Feb 24 13:18:37 <wazd> daaaamn
Feb 24 13:18:42 <thresh> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/Brushback/OvechkinMalkin.jpg
Feb 24 13:18:46 <tybollt> so why is it spelled "ovetjkin" in some places then?
Feb 24 13:19:01 <thresh> because some people are dumb
Feb 24 13:19:05 <wazd> CSKA vs Sevilla today!
Feb 24 13:19:25 <tybollt> thresh: meh
Feb 24 13:19:47 <inz> The Ovetjkin seems to be the swedish transliteration
Feb 24 13:20:23 <wazd> tybollt: seriously he's [o'veʧkin]
Feb 24 13:20:28 <tybollt> D
Feb 24 13:20:30 <tybollt> :D
Feb 24 13:21:03 <tybollt> ???????
Feb 24 13:21:05 <tybollt> meh
Feb 24 13:21:09 <tybollt> ENOUTF8
Feb 24 13:21:37 <wazd> and [koval'ʧuk] :P
Feb 24 13:21:57 <tybollt> koval*
Feb 24 13:21:59 <tybollt> ove*
Feb 24 13:22:03 <tybollt> from now on :D
Feb 24 13:22:17 <wazd> Kovi and Ovi actually :D
Feb 24 13:22:24 <tybollt> anyway we can agree him taking care of Jagr was nothing but pure hockey pleasure :D
Feb 24 13:23:00 <juhovh> in Finland they spell it Ovetškin just for reference :P
Feb 24 13:23:17 <juhovh> which should be quite close to the pronunciatino
Feb 24 13:25:45 * Arif_ blinks
Feb 24 13:26:55 <tybollt> juhovh: It's like "Teemu Seläne" is ... "Teeeeeeaaaaaaamo Selaaaaane" in NHL... very confusing...
Feb 24 13:27:28 <Arif_> hmm
Feb 24 13:27:37 <Arif_> this livlsteel fire theme looks good too
Feb 24 13:28:17 <juhovh> yeah
Feb 24 13:28:17 <hrw> Owietczkin?
Feb 24 13:28:38 <thresh> that's why i'm usually Kostya to my foreign friends
Feb 24 13:29:04 <hrw> thresh: or Kostia for slavic ones
Feb 24 13:29:38 <tybollt> thresh: as in opposed to your full name being ... ?
Feb 24 13:29:43 <thresh> Konstantin
Feb 24 13:29:53 <thresh> as written in /whois :)
Feb 24 13:30:07 <tybollt> oh people still put their names in there these days?
Feb 24 13:30:24 <adeus> sure why not
Feb 24 13:30:25 <hrw> tybollt: it makes things easier often
Feb 24 13:30:27 <tybollt> I thought it was all "fuck off" for many years :)
Feb 24 13:30:50 <satmd> hm, is there a page showing screenshots of all these themes?
Feb 24 13:31:06 * satmd found Reflect on w.m.o
Feb 24 13:31:47 <Arif_> install them :P
Feb 24 13:31:56 <Khertan> w.m.o ?
Feb 24 13:32:06 <satmd> www.maemo.org? :P
Feb 24 13:32:07 <Arif_> or look in the themes category in the forums
Feb 24 13:32:10 <Khertan> ah arf
Feb 24 13:32:21 <satmd> oh. good idea.
Feb 24 13:32:52 <Khertan> ahm trying some prefix ... warrior.maemo.org ... wontfix.maemo.org ... windows.maemo.org
Feb 24 13:33:03 <wazd> hihihiiiiii
Feb 24 13:33:08 <Khertan> but never it s come in mind that it could be www
Feb 24 13:33:22 <wazd> my Theming Guide was translated via GS for *russian* forum :D
Feb 24 13:34:24 <Arif_> hm
Feb 24 13:34:31 <Arif_> themes need their own category methinks
Feb 24 13:34:42 <Khertan> hum my game vectormine didn't have success ... :(
Feb 24 13:34:43 <Khertan> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-3/
Feb 24 13:35:01 <Khertan> :(
Feb 24 13:35:28 <juhovh> what means didn't have success?
Feb 24 13:35:28 <pupnik> just saw it today
Feb 24 13:35:47 <nid0> please *please* add an option to turn off sounds, srsly :(
Feb 24 13:36:04 <Khertan> not many comment on talk or maemofrance
Feb 24 13:36:05 <Khertan> :)
Feb 24 13:36:15 <Khertan> nid0: that it s a good comment
Feb 24 13:36:16 <Khertan> :)
Feb 24 13:36:39 <juhovh> so it was just an ad :P
Feb 24 13:36:48 <nid0> downloaded it for a test yesterday, got as far as the first note emanating from my speakers and had to go switch to silent mode
Feb 24 13:36:52 * Arif_ votes it down :P
Feb 24 13:36:59 <mece> WTF? I think ssh server crashed my N900...
Feb 24 13:37:11 <mece> or well messed with my xterm at least.
Feb 24 13:37:12 <Khertan> nid0: seriously you need a an option to turn sound off ? as personnaly just lower volume
Feb 24 13:37:31 <Khertan> juhovh: not s really an add ... just talking and ask for testers :)
Feb 24 13:37:38 <Khertan> s/add/ad
Feb 24 13:37:44 <pupnik> non-big-name games will find users slowly Khertan
Feb 24 13:37:58 <juhovh> I suggest just asking for testers in that case :)
Feb 24 13:38:02 <Khertan> pupnik: oh ... :(
Feb 24 13:38:09 <nid0> i think it'd be politer to have an option to shut down the game's sound without needing to kill sound for everything else on the device while playing it, thats just imo but i'd prefer one
Feb 24 13:38:09 <juhovh> because "no success" sounded like "didn't get into repository" to me
Feb 24 13:38:10 <SpeedEvil> add a blog post with some video maybe
Feb 24 13:38:29 <Khertan> juhovh: yep you can see it like that too ... :)
Feb 24 13:38:44 <Khertan> juhovh: but i got so many problem with the packaging :)
Feb 24 13:39:07 <juhovh> I see
Feb 24 13:39:31 <Khertan> nid0: ok ... i note it on my todo list for next version
Feb 24 13:39:56 <Khertan> SpeedEvil: yep ... but before i prefer made it available to extras :)
Feb 24 13:40:24 <nid0> is the only difference between 1.0.2-3 in the qa queue and 1.0.4-3 a working bugtracker link?
Feb 24 13:41:06 <Khertan> pupnik: you mean that i should rename VectorMine to VectorMine-ACloneOfStormMineOnVectrex
Feb 24 13:41:07 <Khertan> :)
Feb 24 13:41:21 <Khertan> nid0: and one or two small optimization
Feb 24 13:46:23 <pupnik> vectormine is a good name
Feb 24 13:47:19 <ShadowJK> hm, do the maemo mailing lists see if you're on CC and then not send you a dup from the mailing list
Feb 24 13:47:34 <ShadowJK> or is my too-complicated-to-understand mailing system automatically chucking away stuff...
Feb 24 13:48:46 <corecode> if it is mailman then you can set this option yourself
Feb 24 13:51:00 <javispedro> RST38h: say, if you want, I could create a garage page+tracker for vultures
Feb 24 13:51:06 <javispedro> s/tracker/bugzilla
Feb 24 13:51:55 <javispedro> but since this time nobody is going to use the VCS, just ask for the bugzilla component...
Feb 24 13:55:46 <ShadowJK> corecode, ah, thanks
Feb 24 13:57:54 <pablo2> Hi guys , How to i use Xautomation in maemo? has .deb ?
Feb 24 14:06:03 <Rneksp> http://tinyurl.com/yko2qsghttp://tinyurl.com/yko2qsg
Feb 24 14:06:05 <Rneksp> http://tinyurl.com/yko2qsg
Feb 24 14:07:05 <Arif_> why do I have the urge to not click that...
Feb 24 14:07:24 <nid0> its just a bullshit porn pyramid scheme
Feb 24 14:08:08 <Arif_> aw
Feb 24 14:08:13 <Arif_> no trojans? :p
Feb 24 14:08:30 <nid0> it does actually seem clean
Feb 24 14:18:28 <ShadowJK> btw I wonder.. since Meego doesn't seem to expect to have much anything to do with end-users (or atleast that's the impression I get), the idea of scrapping maemo.org is probably premature..
Feb 24 14:19:27 <Stskeepz> maemo.org still has a lot of life, yeah
Feb 24 14:20:34 <scapor> Hi. Is it somehow possible to get on the internet with my n900 using the usb-cable, by using the wired internet connection of my PC, so instead of tethering, the opposite should happen ?
Feb 24 14:20:46 <scapor> Somehow I'd have to share the internet connection of my pc over a usb port ?
Feb 24 14:21:10 <Arif_> you don't have a wireless modem? :|
Feb 24 14:21:17 <javispedro> oh, the omap has a hardware crypto accelerator?
Feb 24 14:21:23 <Lumpio-> Presumably it should work if you set USB networking up the same way as with tethering, but do the routing stuff on your desktop PC
Feb 24 14:21:25 <thresh> scapor: yes, look for usb networking
Feb 24 14:21:34 <hrw> ShadowJK: lot of time will pass until meego will give something more then website+ml
Feb 24 14:21:53 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeepz, what do we do with the whole MeeGo naming issue, though? :\
Feb 24 14:22:00 <scapor> and is it possible with a windows host to share the network over usb ?
Feb 24 14:22:20 * hrw -> food
Feb 24 14:22:32 <Stskeepz> GeneralAntilles: is maemo.org a software or a hardware community? :)
Feb 24 14:22:35 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, since nokia is changing naming schemes anyway, they could just call the next phone "Nokia Maemo 6"
Feb 24 14:22:45 <javispedro> softhardware!
Feb 24 14:22:57 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeepz, it's Nokia's trademark.
Feb 24 14:23:01 <GeneralAntilles> Who knows what they'll decide to do.
Feb 24 14:23:17 <Stskeepz> we should rename ourself to "the org"
Feb 24 14:23:18 <Stskeepz> :P
Feb 24 14:23:31 <ShadowJK> maemo.org is a much better end-user forum than the terrible nokia.com equivalent.. :)
Feb 24 14:23:33 <javispedro> naa, too much like "the operative"
Feb 24 14:23:38 <tybollt> I want nokia to introduce a knock-off of the classic "SEGAAAAAAAAAA" intro in the opening sequence w/ the hands reaching each other and then a "NOKIAAAAAAAA"
Feb 24 14:23:50 <tybollt> (Yes, I'm entirelly _on_ topic!)
Feb 24 14:24:06 <Arif_> why not "MEEGOOOOOOOOOOO"
Feb 24 14:24:09 <Arif_> :P
Feb 24 14:24:14 <tybollt> yeah
Feb 24 14:24:17 <tybollt> me likey
Feb 24 14:24:21 <viukkis> it's-a-me, meego!
Feb 24 14:24:32 <tybollt> "Mefooool!" everytime you start the device - nice
Feb 24 14:25:28 <TriztFromWork> Was there any fixes for wifi-problems in the coming release?
Feb 24 14:25:46 <ShadowJK> there were some wifi fixes in 1.1.1 i believe
Feb 24 14:25:48 * tybollt wonders if Stskeepz (z?) is busy aiming his scud missiles at me olready? :)
Feb 24 14:26:04 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeepz, so maemo.org is the user community for MeeGo?
Feb 24 14:26:09 <TriztFromWork> ShadowJK; for me it looked as it wnet to the worse
Feb 24 14:26:09 <GeneralAntilles> That makes no sense at all.
Feb 24 14:26:20 <tybollt> GeneralAntilles: indeed, none at all
Feb 24 14:26:21 <Stskeepz> GeneralAntilles: i am waiting for council to find itself
Feb 24 14:26:22 <Stskeepz> :P
Feb 24 14:27:02 <tybollt> Stskeepz: so any question we answer will be echo "Awaiting council meeting" from now on, eh? :P
Feb 24 14:27:07 <pupnik> try Kobodeluxe in -devel!!
Feb 24 14:27:17 <pupnik> needs controls fix
Feb 24 14:27:19 <javispedro> poor council
Feb 24 14:27:24 <GeneralAntilles> Poor indeed
Feb 24 14:27:40 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, no I'd say maemo.org is the user community for nokia maemo and meego devices..
Feb 24 14:27:53 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, that only makes 50% more sense.
Feb 24 14:28:17 <Arif_> what about meego.org and maemo.org being the same site :O
Feb 24 14:28:32 <GeneralAntilles> Arif_, meego.org is owned by the Chinese.
Feb 24 14:28:35 <ShadowJK> I suspect Meego to Nokia's meego-device is more like debian to maemo..
Feb 24 14:28:35 <Stskeeps> "maemo.org" "cos we didn't have meego.org"
Feb 24 14:28:55 <javispedro> what a stupid name. and it even comes with chinese domains attached.
Feb 24 14:29:12 <Arif_> maybe they're willing to sell it
Feb 24 14:29:33 <javispedro> even meego.es is taken already
Feb 24 14:29:46 <Arif_> meego.com.tr!
Feb 24 14:29:50 <javispedro> MeegoNet
Feb 24 14:29:53 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, I have a feeling we will lose the bugzilla for the binary nokia stuff, on future nokia meego devices :-)
Feb 24 14:30:00 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, so do I.
Feb 24 14:30:07 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, thus the backsliding on bug #630.
Feb 24 14:30:08 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved!
Feb 24 14:30:12 <TriztFromWork> you could use meego.org.uk ;)
Feb 24 14:30:13 * GeneralAntilles cares less and less, though.
Feb 24 14:30:16 <drizztbsd> hi
Feb 24 14:30:23 <Stskeeps> on the other hand, more things get default open bugzilla
Feb 24 14:30:24 <GeneralAntilles> MeeGo fail
Feb 24 14:30:32 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I'll believe it when I see it.
Feb 24 14:30:37 <drizztbsd> where can I found the adobe-flashplayer*.deb that I have installed on my n900?
Feb 24 14:30:55 <Stskeeps> drizztbsd: closed source, non-redistributable
Feb 24 14:31:23 <pupnik> les not get panties TOO much in a bunch here...
Feb 24 14:31:37 <drizztbsd> Stskeeps: so there is not an x86 version?
Feb 24 14:31:51 <drizztbsd> (to debug a flash-based website with scratchbox)
Feb 24 14:31:58 <Stskeeps> no, not afaik
Feb 24 14:32:05 <drizztbsd> ok thanks
Feb 24 14:32:08 <Stskeeps> well
Feb 24 14:32:09 <javispedro> you can grab the x86 version from adobe.com
Feb 24 14:32:11 <Stskeeps> not public at least.
Feb 24 14:32:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 24 14:32:36 <javispedro> but if you want to debug... i'm sure it does not even resemble the arm version at all.
Feb 24 14:34:02 <javispedro> so instead of bugs.maemo.org we could have bugzilla.tabletux.meego.com  ;)
Feb 24 14:34:38 <ShadowJK> Seems closed source stuff will not be dealth with at meego.com :)
Feb 24 14:34:42 * GeneralAntilles wishes they wouldn't use bugzilla.meego.com
Feb 24 14:34:49 <Stskeeps> bugs.meego.com?
Feb 24 14:34:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 24 14:34:53 <GeneralAntilles> Indeed
Feb 24 14:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> Shorter
Feb 24 14:35:03 <GeneralAntilles> and the tool matters less than the content.
Feb 24 14:35:13 <javispedro> bugs.maemo.nokia.com ;)
Feb 24 14:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> "bugs" means something to more people than "bugzilla".
Feb 24 14:35:24 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, I want a pony, too.
Feb 24 14:35:28 <javispedro> GeneralAntilles: yes, and also hides an implementation detail.
Feb 24 14:35:36 <javispedro> err... not the pony, but "bugs" vs "bugzilla"
Feb 24 14:36:10 <drizztbsd> moblin uses the standard fedora flash release iirc
Feb 24 14:36:41 <javispedro> maemo is not moblin, at least, yet.
Feb 24 14:39:24 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: ping
Feb 24 14:39:38 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: can catorize put '(e)mail' into _both_ Network and Office?
Feb 24 14:39:42 <timeless_mbp> i expect mail to be in office
Feb 24 14:39:49 <timeless_mbp> and i constantly kick myself about it
Feb 24 14:41:21 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: does b.m.c require a special pony?
Feb 24 14:41:44 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, the pony, in this case, would be a bugs.maemo.nokia.com for Nokia closed-source components.
Feb 24 14:42:06 <timeless_mbp> i can't log into bugzilla.meego.c
Feb 24 14:42:07 <javispedro> nokia closed-source components and device-specific bugs
Feb 24 14:42:38 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, it's not public yet.
Feb 24 14:42:49 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it?
Feb 24 14:43:00 <timeless_mbp> it'd be really nice if they had given me the chance to give help
Feb 24 14:50:06 <bergie> BTW, this should make maemo.org - meego.com interaction a lot easier: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/register_and_log_into_meego-com_using_your_maemo-org_account/
Feb 24 14:50:45 <pupnik> ty bergie
Feb 24 14:50:48 <javispedro> ah nice
Feb 24 14:51:03 <javispedro> can we setup multiple openid identities in meego can we?
Feb 24 14:51:08 <bergie> javispedro: yep
Feb 24 14:51:11 <javispedro> it's nice to see an openid consumer from time to time
Feb 24 14:51:17 <bergie> I'm using both maemo.org and my own blog there
Feb 24 14:55:08 <tybollt> < timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it?
Feb 24 14:55:43 <tybollt> to hear that from an actual employee is very very deeply profusely disturbing...
Feb 24 14:55:45 <timeless_mbp> oh sure, nick highlight me
Feb 24 14:56:00 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: ^^^^^
Feb 24 14:56:01 <timeless_mbp> i don't work for LF, Meego or Intel!
Feb 24 14:56:22 <tybollt> Tim E Less is pretending Nookla has notta to do w/ this...
Feb 24 14:56:33 <tybollt> Not involved...
Feb 24 14:56:58 <dneary> Hi
Feb 24 14:57:01 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: You will allow me to be a bitter cynic, please.
Feb 24 14:57:07 <timeless_mbp> sure
Feb 24 14:57:08 <dneary> andre__, png?
Feb 24 14:57:13 <timeless_mbp> just leave me in peace :
Feb 24 14:57:38 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: Not attacking you at all, sorry if that is how I came across...
Feb 24 14:58:36 <andre__> dneary, pong
Feb 24 15:00:27 <Corsac> bwarf, openid is nowhere related to authentification
Feb 24 15:00:51 <mgedmin> Corsac, what is it related to then?
Feb 24 15:01:02 <Corsac> I'm not sure
Feb 24 15:01:19 <Corsac> mgedmin: does meego.com trust *any* openid provider?
Feb 24 15:01:32 <Corsac> (meego.com or any other openid consumer, for that matter)
Feb 24 15:01:45 <mgedmin> openid replaces usernames and passwords
Feb 24 15:01:47 <bergie> Corsac: OpenID is federated identity and authentication... http://openidexplained.com/
Feb 24 15:01:49 <mgedmin> it doesn't replace accounts
Feb 24 15:02:11 <mgedmin> typically on any site I'd have to log in using openid and then create an account
Feb 24 15:02:26 <villemv> Corsac: launchad openid works fine for me on meego
Feb 24 15:02:36 <bergie> mgedmin: meego.com does this pretty nicely, it creates you the account from your openid identity
Feb 24 15:02:49 * mgedmin goes and registers there then
Feb 24 15:02:50 <bergie> villemv: yep, and you can associate that *and* maemo.org if you like
Feb 24 15:02:59 <dneary> andre__, I'd drop the Beamer discussion - it's going nowhere :)
Feb 24 15:03:07 <villemv> bergie: so I can log in w/ openid to maemo.org now?
Feb 24 15:03:11 <andre__> dneary, yeah. was also my last email :)
Feb 24 15:03:38 <villemv> or just use 2 alternative openid providers for meego?
Feb 24 15:03:43 <bergie> villemv: nope, because maemo.org relies on Garage's accounts (long story)
Feb 24 15:03:56 <bergie> villemv: but meego.com allows you to associate multiple openids with same account
Feb 24 15:03:59 <villemv> alright
Feb 24 15:04:05 <villemv> I think I'm ok with just one ;-)
Feb 24 15:04:37 <bergie> villemv: associating maemo.org account now may be useful *if* we transfer some services from maemo.org to meego.com later
Feb 24 15:04:40 * mgedmin whistles impatiently and ponders the downsides of greylisting
Feb 24 15:05:58 <villemv> I'm actually a bit confused with maemo.org accounts... I have to use different passwords for different sites. I can never remember which is which
Feb 24 15:06:32 <mgedmin> yeah
Feb 24 15:06:35 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: it wasn't an attack
Feb 24 15:06:39 <timeless_mbp> it was nick highlighting
Feb 24 15:06:56 <timeless_mbp> you're welcome to attack any entity you like, i just don't want to be nick highlighted when you do so :)
Feb 24 15:07:11 <gouverneur> X-Fade: did talk just die?
Feb 24 15:07:36 <SpeedEvil> dfm
Feb 24 15:07:44 <crashanddie> OK, this is slightly disturbing
Feb 24 15:07:47 <X-Fade> gouverneur: no.
Feb 24 15:07:51 <gouverneur> mmhp
Feb 24 15:08:02 <crashanddie> Jaffa: remember that shot of you drinking a beer, and behind you there's a poster of naked men?
Feb 24 15:08:20 <gouverneur> ah now it works again, was unresponsive for about 5 minutes...
Feb 24 15:08:49 <crashanddie> http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4000512697/
Feb 24 15:09:12 <Corsac> i saw that movie ¬¬
Feb 24 15:09:22 <crashanddie> it's kinda a popular one, and the main referer to it is bing, with the query "drunk naked men"
Feb 24 15:09:47 <Arif_> why would anyone look for drunk naked men?
Feb 24 15:09:53 <Corsac> you don't want to know
Feb 24 15:09:58 <crashanddie> beats me
Feb 24 15:10:00 <Arif_> you're right
Feb 24 15:10:01 <tybollt> while :; do printf "timeless_mbp" ; done
Feb 24 15:10:03 <Arif_> I don't :D
Feb 24 15:10:06 <crashanddie> anyway, good night
Feb 24 15:10:08 <timeless_mbp> ...
Feb 24 15:10:43 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: jajaja, point taken.
Feb 24 15:13:03 <corecode> is there a way to jump to the next page in the pdf viewer?
Feb 24 15:13:07 <corecode> in fullscreen?
Feb 24 15:13:20 <corecode> or even *gasp* use portrait?
Feb 24 15:13:30 <timeless_mbp> corecode: tap the right edge of the window?
Feb 24 15:13:46 <corecode> where?
Feb 24 15:13:54 <corecode> to de-fullscreenize it?
Feb 24 15:13:55 <timeless_mbp> in full screen
Feb 24 15:14:15 <timeless_mbp> 50% down the screen on the right side there's a button you can press (to the left of the scrollbar)
Feb 24 15:14:22 <timeless_mbp> it's invisible, but will appear when tapped
Feb 24 15:14:28 <corecode> ah
Feb 24 15:14:29 <corecode> hmm
Feb 24 15:14:35 <mikkov> X-Fade: nice counter in downloads page :)
Feb 24 15:14:39 <timeless_mbp> it appears temporarily when the document loads
Feb 24 15:14:53 <timeless_mbp> i don't think there's a portrait mode
Feb 24 15:15:02 <timeless_mbp> but keep in mind that PDF is a document oriented file format
Feb 24 15:15:08 <X-Fade> mikkov: Well, somebody needs to make it beautiful, but it works ;)
Feb 24 15:15:16 <timeless_mbp> which means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the doucment at all
Feb 24 15:15:20 <timeless_mbp> s/uc/cu/
Feb 24 15:15:21 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: which means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the document at all
Feb 24 15:15:25 <timeless_mbp> total waste
Feb 24 15:15:37 <nid0> sigh, dodgy 3g service is /wrists
Feb 24 15:15:51 <timeless_mbp> web pages /could/ work in portrait, OnlyIf they didn't try to honor page author requests
Feb 24 15:16:00 <timeless_mbp> which sadly, desktop oriented browsers do try to honor,...
Feb 24 15:16:16 <corecode> timeless_mbp: thanks!
Feb 24 15:18:02 <corecode> well, pages tend to be used in portrait, so being able to turn the pdf viewer would be good
Feb 24 15:18:06 <mgedmin> meego account creation asks for my country
Feb 24 15:18:12 <mgedmin> but they don't use it to pick a sane default timezone
Feb 24 15:18:30 <mikkov> X-Fade: download statistics for OS2008 seems mostly broken :)
Feb 24 15:18:39 <tybollt> so meego is EPICFAIL olready at account creationg stage - this is gunna be funneh
Feb 24 15:19:02 <timeless_mbp> corecode: um
Feb 24 15:19:11 <timeless_mbp> pages are physically larger than a cell phone
Feb 24 15:19:20 <timeless_mbp> and cell phones don't come w/ magnifying glasses
Feb 24 15:19:32 <timeless_mbp> if your pdf is a map, that's one thing
Feb 24 15:19:41 <X-Fade> mikkov: Well, no. They are just extremely low it seems.
Feb 24 15:19:54 <timeless_mbp> if it's text, then you will not find trying to use a pdf in portrait works well
Feb 24 15:20:04 <corecode> timeless_mbp: i see
Feb 24 15:20:10 <matthew-> Hmmm, anyone using AIM on your n900?
Feb 24 15:20:14 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: reminds me of that dilbert strip... where the PHB calls ratbert at support asking what to do when his mouse has reached the end of the table... :-)
Feb 24 15:20:20 <mikkov> X-Fade: some of the apps are missing the graph completely
Feb 24 15:20:23 <matthew-> I'm adding the account and it says 'not signed in' all the time
Feb 24 15:20:27 <tybollt> s/end/edge
Feb 24 15:20:36 <timeless_mbp> end works
Feb 24 15:20:41 <timeless_mbp> (edge is better)
Feb 24 15:20:41 <X-Fade> mikkov: Then I have no mention of them in the last 90 days in the download logs.
Feb 24 15:21:04 <X-Fade> mikkov: Or they aren't flagged to be in extras.
Feb 24 15:21:13 <X-Fade> mikkov: Do you have an example?
Feb 24 15:21:21 <mikkov> X-Fade: battlegweled
Feb 24 15:21:48 <pta0007> anyone knows what is what is printf-debugging?
Feb 24 15:22:17 <mikkov> X-Fade: there are more. OMWeather graph looks strange too, but it's possible that everybody just stopped using their tablets :)
Feb 24 15:22:36 <spectre-> has anyone had cups running on their n900's?
Feb 24 15:22:46 <mgedmin> pta0007, it's when you insert printf statements into your source code to get an idea of what your app is doing
Feb 24 15:22:54 <mgedmin> the simplest form of debugging
Feb 24 15:23:01 <mgedmin> requires least amount of tool support
Feb 24 15:23:03 <X-Fade> mikkov: No mention of battlegweled in last 90 days.
Feb 24 15:23:08 <X-Fade> mikkov: only on fremantle.
Feb 24 15:23:42 * timeless_mbp wonders what 'application/x-nokia-teh-rtp' is
Feb 24 15:23:46 <X-Fade> mikkov: For omweather: we now have daily stats so peaks are 7 times as low as before ;)
Feb 24 15:23:47 <timeless_mbp> (google isn't being helpful)
Feb 24 15:24:00 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: "teh", really?
Feb 24 15:24:03 <mikkov> X-Fade: all graps show that all N800/N810 users stopped downloading apps on dec 1, 2009
Feb 24 15:24:08 <matthew-> No one? :)
Feb 24 15:24:12 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: really, google says it isn't misspelled
Feb 24 15:24:17 <tybollt> :-S
Feb 24 15:24:19 <timeless_mbp> it doesn't explain wtf it is
Feb 24 15:24:28 <timeless_mbp> but it says that people agree it's written that way
Feb 24 15:24:29 <mikkov> X-Fade: see maemo-mapper
Feb 24 15:24:31 <X-Fade> mikkov: That is when I switched to daily stats.
Feb 24 15:24:35 <timeless_mbp> (the symbian sources are where i found it fwiw)
Feb 24 15:25:30 <matthew-> no?
Feb 24 15:25:30 <matthew-> ;]
Feb 24 15:25:35 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: anyway rtp... innit sommat to do w/ hmm realmedia shitz?
Feb 24 15:25:44 <timeless_mbp> it should be, yes
Feb 24 15:25:49 <timeless_mbp> still doesn't explain 'teh'
Feb 24 15:25:52 <timeless_mbp> another gem: nbrOfAgeed
Feb 24 15:26:04 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: yes the "teh" part is very annoying, I agreee
Feb 24 15:26:10 <tybollt> I agree, too.
Feb 24 15:26:12 <mikkov> X-Fade: mplayer downloads stopped too on dec 1
Feb 24 15:26:40 <X-Fade> mikkov: They didn't stop. Zoom in.
Feb 24 15:26:48 <X-Fade> mikkov: They are just very low.
Feb 24 15:27:09 <X-Fade> mikkov: And this javascript graph doesn't rescale.
Feb 24 15:27:17 <mikkov> X-Fade: ok, dropped from several hundred to practically 0
Feb 24 15:27:41 <X-Fade> mikkov: several hundred / 7 = low
Feb 24 15:28:18 <mikkov> X-Fade: ah, the scale changes in middle of graph?
Feb 24 15:28:37 <X-Fade> mikkov: Yeah, basically old values need to be interpolated.
Feb 24 15:29:15 <mikkov> X-Fade: ok, now I understand.
Feb 24 15:29:55 <mikkov> conclusion, nobody is using old NITs anymore
Feb 24 15:30:20 <X-Fade> mikkov: Not nobody, but it is significantly lower than N900 usage.
Feb 24 15:30:43 <aquatix> myeah, i don't get any updates for os2008 on my n810 except for omweather now and then
Feb 24 15:30:49 <aquatix> so why bother checking :)
Feb 24 15:33:16 <X-Fade> mikkov: Check maemo-mapper now.
Feb 24 15:33:27 <X-Fade> mikkov: for os2008
Feb 24 15:34:51 <mikkov> X-Fade: it looks the same, big drop on dec 1?
Feb 24 15:35:10 <X-Fade> mikkov: refresh now, cleared cache.
Feb 24 15:35:30 <pupnik> mikkov: excellent kobodeluxe update.  please add a "mouse" mode where stylus tap does not fire guns, but instead space or "x" (for lefthand) fires guns
Feb 24 15:35:56 <mgedmin> or openarena-style proximity sensor
Feb 24 15:36:24 <mikkov> pupnik: I guess you have patch for it somewhere?
Feb 24 15:37:02 <pupnik> i did once.  lost my ports archive though.  will do it if you are not convinced
Feb 24 15:37:10 <mikkov> mgedmin: for kobodeluxe? How is it different from openarena now?
Feb 24 15:37:29 <mgedmin> mikkov, I haven't tired the n900 port for kobodeluxe
Feb 24 15:38:09 <pupnik> accel is cute but not comparable to stylus for dodging
Feb 24 15:38:09 <mgedmin> I was just thinking that pupnik's suggestion of using space or "x" would make it impossible to play kobodeluxe with the keyboard closed
Feb 24 15:38:15 <X-Fade> mikkov: omweather now makes a lot more sense too.
Feb 24 15:38:19 <pupnik> it would
Feb 24 15:38:28 <mgedmin> and I remembered how openarena solved that: by (ab)using the n900's proximity sensor as a "key"
Feb 24 15:39:08 <pupnik> play the game to level six or more a few times, then discuss
Feb 24 15:39:19 <mikkov> mgedmin: well kobodeluxe is using proximity sensor. I even ripped the function directly from ioquake3 engine
Feb 24 15:39:27 <mgedmin> ah, cool!
Feb 24 15:39:31 <mgedmin> awesome!
Feb 24 15:39:50 <mgedmin> I must've misunderstood pupnik's suggestion then
Feb 24 15:40:07 <mikkov> pupnik: I have played to level 20 something, although with easy level
Feb 24 15:40:57 <mikkov> X-Fade: I am tryin to see the updated graphs with IE now, but it shows just blank white
Feb 24 15:41:13 <X-Fade> mikkov: Doesn't support canvas.
Feb 24 15:41:23 <X-Fade> mikkov: Or something like that.
Feb 24 15:41:38 <thp> how is this widget called? http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5771/m5whichwidget.png
Feb 24 15:41:40 <pupnik> obviously folks have idiosyncratic control preferences, myself included :)
Feb 24 15:41:51 <timeless_mbp> thp: group label?
Feb 24 15:41:59 <mikkov> pupnik: so removing mouse fire would make kobo better?
Feb 24 15:42:11 <JimiDini> how does one set up avatar at tmo? looking at profile-settings and don't see it :-/
Feb 24 15:42:15 <thp> timeless_mbp: is that in hildon or where do I find it?
Feb 24 15:42:44 <pupnik> yes mousefire removes part of the skill
Feb 24 15:43:00 <pupnik> if every movement fires
Feb 24 15:43:15 <pupnik> also at higher levels the game limits firing rate
Feb 24 15:43:34 <pupnik> so dodging must be seperate from firing
Feb 24 15:43:43 <mikkov> pupnik: ok, that's quite simple change then.
Feb 24 15:44:51 <mikkov> or when thinking how kobo engine works, it can be a real pain to change it without breaking anything else
Feb 24 15:45:00 <pupnik> perhaps implement by adding an additional mousemode (called tablet?)
Feb 24 15:45:09 <pupnik> yes
Feb 24 15:45:36 <pupnik> wonderful that you got the prerendered sounds working.  it can be an excellent game now
Feb 24 15:45:51 <timeless_mbp> thp: hildon widgets would be here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libhildon/hildon/
Feb 24 15:46:06 <timeless_mbp> i don't see anything relevant
Feb 24 15:46:29 <timeless_mbp> thp: GtkFrame probably
Feb 24 15:46:56 <mikkov> X-Fade: I restarted my browser, big drop in maemo-mapper graph still. But it's not that important anyway
Feb 24 15:46:58 <thp> timeless_mbp: that's a good clue. will try to see if it's GtkFrame - thanks
Feb 24 15:47:15 <X-Fade> mikkov: The whole graph should be in the same scale now.
Feb 24 15:48:18 <thp> timeless_mbp: yep, it's a GtkFrame :)
Feb 24 15:48:51 <timeless_mbp> thp: group label => groupbox => google gtk groupbox => suggestion to use gtkframe
Feb 24 15:49:10 <timeless_mbp> oddly enough, there are files in mxr that talk about gtk group boxes, but they're all *Qt* files :o
Feb 24 15:49:31 <mikkov> X-Fade: some caching still somewhere, I guess
Feb 24 15:50:40 <pupnik> timeless_mbp: can i force browserd to really sleep?  javascript pausing still leaves me with 48 pct cpu
Feb 24 15:50:54 <pupnik> with 5 pages open
Feb 24 15:53:58 <pupnik> i can use bookmarks to workaround
Feb 24 15:54:02 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: I started on some code to allow Catorise to have apps in multiple categories, but aborted it. It shouldn't be too hard.
Feb 24 15:54:05 <Jaffa> croppa: aye
Feb 24 15:54:12 <Jaffa> s/croppa/crashanddie/
Feb 24 15:54:13 <infobot> Jaffa meant: crashanddie: aye
Feb 24 15:54:26 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: :/
Feb 24 15:54:33 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: kill -STOP :)
Feb 24 15:54:50 <timeless_mbp> my mac is going to die now
Feb 24 15:54:50 <johnsu01> So it seems like more than half the time when I read mail with modest, it doesn't end up marking the messages as read on the server
Feb 24 15:54:57 <timeless_mbp> it's going to meet 10.6 on a new hdd
Feb 24 15:55:08 <aquatix> johnsu01: there's a bug on that
Feb 24 15:55:24 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: mmmh, new hdd *drools* SSD by any chance?
Feb 24 15:55:28 <aquatix> i had the same issue years ago :)
Feb 24 15:55:50 <johnsu01> aquatix: not such a good issue for a mobile mail client to have :)
Feb 24 15:56:02 * Arif_ yawns
Feb 24 15:56:05 <aquatix> nope, but has to do with them uptimising bandwidth usage
Feb 24 15:56:24 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: no
Feb 24 15:56:39 <timeless_mbp> my 300gb hdd is dying, ssd would be expensive and smaller
Feb 24 15:56:42 <johnsu01> aquatix: any ideas how to work around it? I mean, it has the correct information locally, so I wonder if there's a way to force it to submit the info
Feb 24 15:56:45 <timeless_mbp> so i got a 500gb hdd replacement
Feb 24 15:56:47 <timeless_mbp> bye all :)
Feb 24 15:56:53 <derf> I saw a 512 GB SSD the other day.
Feb 24 15:57:24 <tybollt> timeless: think cheap SSD to boot from and then cheap regular TB sata disk for storage
Feb 24 15:57:30 <Arif_> a 160GB SSD for OS/games + 2TB for data would be enough I guesss
Feb 24 15:57:30 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 15:57:36 <tybollt> arif++
Feb 24 15:58:06 <derf> 512 GB SSD: $1462.92.
Feb 24 15:58:12 <tybollt> o_O
Feb 24 15:58:19 <Arif_> lol
Feb 24 15:58:27 <derf> I think the one I saw was cheaper, but you had to buy a laptop with it.
Feb 24 15:59:05 <Kegetys> I have 64GB SSD for OS+apps and then 1TB HDD for games, media, etc. on my main desktop
Feb 24 15:59:46 <Arif_> I wonder if SSDs will decrease load times in games
Feb 24 15:59:54 <nid0> significantly
Feb 24 16:08:28 <GeneralAntilles> My X25-M is amazing
Feb 24 16:09:13 * aquatix thinks about getting an x18-m
Feb 24 16:09:23 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: that 2nd gen version?
Feb 24 16:09:33 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, yeah, 80GB G2.
Feb 24 16:10:08 <Arif_> hm
Feb 24 16:10:16 * Arif_ considers buying a new monitor
Feb 24 16:10:16 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, I'd wait until Summer at this point.
Feb 24 16:10:21 <GeneralAntilles> They should start dropping fast soon.
Feb 24 16:10:23 <Arif_> 22" is too small now ;(
Feb 24 16:10:26 <GeneralAntilles> Yo, timeless.
Feb 24 16:10:27 <juhovh> 2
Feb 24 16:10:30 <GeneralAntilles> Er, timsamoff.
Feb 24 16:10:33 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: ah, that'd be nice
Feb 24 16:10:38 <GeneralAntilles> Arif_, Samsung 2343bwx
Feb 24 16:10:45 <GeneralAntilles> 22" is a terrible size
Feb 24 16:10:45 <aquatix> and i can't seem to find the 2nd gen version of the x18-m yet here
Feb 24 16:10:54 <GeneralAntilles> Since it's just a lower-PPI version of a 20" :P
Feb 24 16:11:00 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, with the 1.8"?
Feb 24 16:11:01 <Arif_> I was thinking of a 32" TV with HDMI
Feb 24 16:11:02 <timsamoff> Er, GeneralAntilles
Feb 24 16:11:04 <aquatix> 24" and bigger++
Feb 24 16:11:08 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: yeah
Feb 24 16:11:18 <nid0> I had to send back a batch of x25's to nokia last year :(
Feb 24 16:11:22 <aquatix> Arif_: that's still only 1920x1080
Feb 24 16:11:23 <nid0> intel*
Feb 24 16:11:39 <Arif_> aquatix, this one's 1650x1080 :P
Feb 24 16:11:50 <aquatix> meh :)
Feb 24 16:11:58 * aquatix likes his 24" 1920x1200 at work
Feb 24 16:12:01 <nomis> Omweather automatic location totally fails on me. I don't get what is happening there.
Feb 24 16:12:05 <aquatix> like my home tft even better ;)
Feb 24 16:12:11 <Arif_> =}
Feb 24 16:12:22 * Arif_ is poor and can't update so often :P
Feb 24 16:12:28 <nid0> nomis it messes up for me regularly too, I switched to forecaweather
Feb 24 16:12:31 * aquatix is broke now too ;)
Feb 24 16:12:32 * nomis is located in the middle of Siegen, Germany and OMWeather shows me weather information for Haguenau, which I suspect to be in france.
Feb 24 16:12:45 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, er, s/with/why/
Feb 24 16:12:47 <nid0> every so often omweather just randomly records me as being the other end of the country for several hours at a time
Feb 24 16:13:00 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: because my ultraportable now has an 1.8" hdd
Feb 24 16:13:04 <aquatix> which... sucks :)
Feb 24 16:13:05 <Hydroxide> nomis: wikipedia confirms your suspicion
Feb 24 16:13:19 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, interesting.
Feb 24 16:13:21 * Arif_ doesn't have omweather on at all
Feb 24 16:13:31 * Arif_ has a window he can look out of :D
Feb 24 16:13:32 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: I have a Samsung X360 laptop
Feb 24 16:13:47 <aquatix> nice little thing, but i should've bought the one with the ssd ;)
Feb 24 16:13:52 <aquatix> but this was expensive as-is :(
Feb 24 16:13:56 <Hydroxide> for me it gets the GPS location right, at least to within the correct city, but I did have to switch away from nokia's SUPL server to google's because of some issue with nokia's SUPL server on t-mobile USA. (already documented in bugs.maemo.org)
Feb 24 16:14:02 * Arif_ has an X360 but it's not a laptop :(
Feb 24 16:14:16 <Hydroxide> (the GPS actually works fine in general after that switch)
Feb 24 16:14:39 <nid0> I assume there must be an error in the database somewhere because when it gets my location wrong it always points me to one little village in scotland somewhere
Feb 24 16:14:47 <aquatix> Arif_: googling for "hdd and x360" sucks indeed ;)
Feb 24 16:14:49 <nid0> rather than a gps fault as such
Feb 24 16:14:53 <nomis> Hydroxide: I have confirmed that the information from the GPS subsystem is correct.
Feb 24 16:14:56 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, isn't Samsung bundling their own crappy SSDs, though?
Feb 24 16:15:03 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, I don't think any OEMs are shipping Intels.
Feb 24 16:15:11 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: yeah, but the version with the ssd was 450 EUR more expensive
Feb 24 16:15:18 <aquatix> so i went with the hdd version
Feb 24 16:15:23 <aquatix> true
Feb 24 16:15:31 <GeneralAntilles> The Samsung SSD is about the worst one available
Feb 24 16:15:32 <aquatix> so now i'm thinking about getting that intel
Feb 24 16:15:36 <aquatix> ah :)
Feb 24 16:15:43 <aquatix> well, glad i didn't go with it then
Feb 24 16:15:44 <GeneralAntilles> Indilinx is better
Feb 24 16:15:48 <GeneralAntilles> But no OEMs ship that, either.
Feb 24 16:15:51 <GeneralAntilles> Intel is the best, currently.
Feb 24 16:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it's weird
Feb 24 16:16:10 <ShadowJK> I think the jmicron ones are worse than samsung?
Feb 24 16:16:10 <GeneralAntilles> The SSDs that OEMs ship often have WORSE performance than magnetic media.
Feb 24 16:16:22 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, they are, but do they still make them?
Feb 24 16:16:26 <ShadowJK> *shrug*
Feb 24 16:16:37 <GeneralAntilles> Either way, yeah JMicron on the worst.
Feb 24 16:16:46 <GeneralAntilles> Samsung really isn't far behind, though.
Feb 24 16:16:46 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, it's the staring-at-benchmarks syndrome anyway... people were staring blindly at sequential read/write speeds.. and alot still are
Feb 24 16:17:16 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, the two AnandTech articles are pretty much the be-all-end-all on the subject of SSDs.
Feb 24 16:17:24 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, indeed.
Feb 24 16:17:33 <GeneralAntilles> The Intel ones are just unreal, though.
Feb 24 16:18:11 <GeneralAntilles> I'm glad I have some real drives in this computer, though.
Feb 24 16:18:14 <aquatix> ah, just found a 1.8" postville
Feb 24 16:18:18 <aquatix> 210 EUR
Feb 24 16:18:19 <aquatix> hm
Feb 24 16:18:20 <tybollt> All I know about SSD is ... BY GOD don't buy anything (typically early OCZ drivers) w/ a jmicron controller and you're reasonably safe.
Feb 24 16:18:24 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: :)
Feb 24 16:18:25 <GeneralAntilles> I find my Mini 9 utterly unsettling since it has no moving parts.
Feb 24 16:18:30 <aquatix> ghehe
Feb 24 16:18:35 <nid0> this machine only has an intel ssd and velociraptor \o/
Feb 24 16:18:36 <aquatix> yeah, i have that too
Feb 24 16:18:43 <tybollt> GeneralAntilles: You've the mini9 too? ssd or hdd?
Feb 24 16:18:53 <GeneralAntilles> tybollt, the Mini 9 only ever came with SSD.
Feb 24 16:18:53 <aquatix> tybollt: no moving parts ;)
Feb 24 16:19:59 <tybollt> GeneralAntilles: I've been contemplating putting a crucial N215 in there
Feb 24 16:20:37 <GeneralAntilles> tybollt, haven't heard anything about the Crucials
Feb 24 16:20:39 <tybollt> GeneralAntilles: BUT  I can't for the life of me find a doc describing what cotnroller it has... so I'm just guessing Curcial ain't saying on account of it being the shoddy jmicron shit...
Feb 24 16:20:42 <GeneralAntilles> RunCore is generally the recommended one for speed
Feb 24 16:20:45 <GeneralAntilles> But they're expensive.
Feb 24 16:20:46 <johnsu01> aquatix: when I had a 1.8, a put a dual CF adapter in the drive bay, with 2 16GB CF cards :)
Feb 24 16:21:06 <johnsu01> worked out really well
Feb 24 16:21:21 <tybollt> GeneralAntilles: the crucial N215 (32GB) is <100EUR over here... so I'm very very tempted >:)
Feb 24 16:21:53 <aquatix> johnsu01: hm
Feb 24 16:22:08 <aquatix> johnsu01: somehow i think i can better get an x18-m
Feb 24 16:22:13 <aquatix> more expensive though
Feb 24 16:22:27 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, it's like a whole new world of computing
Feb 24 16:22:31 <tybollt> I was kind of hoping to keep the Mini 9 mini wrt the price tag too ;P
Feb 24 16:22:35 <aquatix> johnsu01: otherwise i'd rather stick with the hdd :)
Feb 24 16:22:38 <GeneralAntilles> and that's coming off a dual-drive RAID0 in a desktop.
Feb 24 16:22:43 <ShadowJK> you know, the first indilinx were optimized for sequential too, until anandtech tested a prototype from OCZ and told them "this sucks"..
Feb 24 16:22:43 <GeneralAntilles> For a laptop. . . .
Feb 24 16:22:46 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: :)
Feb 24 16:23:01 <ShadowJK> it's not inconceivable that there's a vendor out there stupid enough to go for the sequential speed benchmarks again
Feb 24 16:23:49 <aquatix> yep
Feb 24 16:24:16 <jaska> if theyre making ssd tape drives?:D
Feb 24 16:24:21 <tybollt> vnedors stupid... naaaaaw - NEVARH HAPPENED!
Feb 24 16:25:12 <johnsu01> aquatix: yes, about 5x the price of the homebrew solution :)
Feb 24 16:25:20 <johnsu01> and the homebrew is expandable
Feb 24 16:26:55 <Corsac> and slow?
Feb 24 16:27:37 <aquatix> johnsu01: and 10x as slow
Feb 24 16:27:51 <aquatix> and 2.3x as little storage :)
Feb 24 16:28:06 <aquatix> not that it's no fun ;)
Feb 24 16:28:20 <johnsu01> that difference in drive speed is the bottleneck on your ultraportable? :)
Feb 24 16:28:53 <aquatix> yep
Feb 24 16:29:06 <aquatix> it's plenty fast
Feb 24 16:29:06 <johnsu01> skeptical :)
Feb 24 16:29:13 <aquatix> ulv 1.2GHz c2d
Feb 24 16:29:37 <aquatix> able to do h264 720p and more
Feb 24 16:29:50 <aquatix> but the hdd is trashing when booting
Feb 24 16:29:53 <aquatix> and such
Feb 24 16:31:51 <johnsu01> yeah, that's why I replaced the horrible 1.8" HD in my X40, and that made a huge difference because the drive was only 4200rpm -- but I'm less sure that the difference between SSD speeds would make such a difference
Feb 24 16:32:36 <Arif_> hmm
Feb 24 16:32:42 <Arif_> VGBA just crashed on me
Feb 24 16:32:43 <Arif_> ;(
Feb 24 16:32:48 <aquatix> Arif_: aww :)
Feb 24 16:33:00 <Arif_> and the sound still sucks ;D
Feb 24 16:33:06 <aquatix> Arif_: then fix it ;)
Feb 24 16:33:11 <Arif_> how
Feb 24 16:33:16 <aquatix> dunno
Feb 24 16:33:19 <aquatix> never used it even
Feb 24 16:33:22 <matthew-> Anyone uses AIM here? I've got a problem, when I add account it says 'Not Signed In' instead of Enabled.... Any ideas why?
Feb 24 16:33:34 <Arif_> I'll just wait a few versions untill it's usable
Feb 24 16:34:08 <Arif_> I'll play SNES/NES/GBC untill then!
Feb 24 16:34:17 <Arif_> and WHY hasn't anyone proter picodrive yet ;~;
Feb 24 16:34:50 <Arif_> I wanna play Sonic 3 ={
Feb 24 16:35:31 * aquatix gone
Feb 24 16:35:50 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: i might wait till summer then :)
Feb 24 16:35:52 * Arif_ continues his ramblings
Feb 24 16:35:53 <Arif_> ;P
Feb 24 16:35:57 <aquatix> Arif_: :)
Feb 24 16:36:05 <aquatix> we continue to ignore them ;)
Feb 24 16:36:09 <aquatix> hf though
Feb 24 16:36:14 <Arif_> you do that!
Feb 24 16:36:19 <Arif_> just like nokia does ;~;
Feb 24 16:36:19 <aquatix> ghehe
Feb 24 16:36:29 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, hopefully they drop soon.
Feb 24 16:36:38 <GeneralAntilles> The last prediction was for Winter 2009, but that really didn't pan out.
Feb 24 16:36:51 <GeneralAntilles> A process shrink is coming soon, too, I think.
Feb 24 16:36:58 <aquatix> ah
Feb 24 16:37:00 <Arif_> oh, yay
Feb 24 16:37:00 <aquatix> well
Feb 24 16:37:04 <Arif_> Ovi added a Shrek 4 trailer!
Feb 24 16:37:14 <aquatix> if there's a G3 soonish, i'll get a G2 then :)
Feb 24 16:38:14 <tybollt> g2?
Feb 24 16:38:22 <tybollt> gen2 of what?
Feb 24 16:38:25 <GeneralAntilles> X25-M
Feb 24 16:38:29 <tybollt> ah
Feb 24 16:38:30 <tybollt> yeah
Feb 24 16:38:33 <GeneralAntilles> Well, X18
Feb 24 16:38:50 * tybollt keep hoping for lots of new gens (so the old ones drop considerably in price ;)
Feb 24 16:39:07 <GeneralAntilles> Didn't pan out for the G1s.
Feb 24 16:39:12 <aquatix> tybollt: my idea
Feb 24 16:39:22 <aquatix> but i might get a x18-m g2 soonish anyway
Feb 24 16:39:42 <Andy80> is it just my impression or... when I run an application inside Scratchbox+Xephyr it doesn't run in "full colors" ? It looks like 256 colors or something similar... is there a way to make it looks exacly like N900?
Feb 24 16:39:47 <tybollt> my brother got the X25 I think, 40G intel ssd
Feb 24 16:39:51 <tybollt> it was silly expensive
Feb 24 16:40:01 <GeneralAntilles> About $100 in the US
Feb 24 16:40:05 <GeneralAntilles> Assuming you can find it in stock.
Feb 24 16:40:15 <nid0> i'd be kinda dubious of being an early adopter of the next gens of intel ssd's from now on though tbh
Feb 24 16:40:25 <nid0> at least for a while
Feb 24 16:40:51 <aquatix> anyway, i'm off
Feb 24 16:40:51 <tybollt> Intel ssd has good reputation - non?
Feb 24 16:40:53 <aquatix> ciao :)
Feb 24 16:40:56 <aquatix> tybollt: yep
Feb 24 16:40:59 <tybollt> Except that silly firmware FAIL
Feb 24 16:40:59 <nid0> generally yes, very
Feb 24 16:41:05 <nid0> but the firmware brickage = big fail
Feb 24 16:41:16 <tybollt> nid0: ACK, granted that of course >:)
Feb 24 16:41:53 <tybollt> oh la la
Feb 24 16:42:01 * tybollt is headed for the HW shop right now actually
Feb 24 16:47:09 <JimiDini> hi
Feb 24 16:47:15 * JimiDini needs some volunteers ;)
Feb 24 16:47:48 <JimiDini> we deployed OpenID Provider functionality at maemo.org today and would be cool if you could give it a test
Feb 24 16:48:08 <JimiDini> specifically, I am interested in 2 things:
Feb 24 16:48:28 <JimiDini> 1) try to log in somewhere using just "maemo.org" as OpenId url
Feb 24 16:49:12 <JimiDini> 2) try to log in using your full OpenID identity-url, which you can find here: http://maemo.org/openid/
Feb 24 16:50:14 <hrw> http://www.wasab.dk/morten/2007/11/openid/ passed
Feb 24 16:50:47 <hrw> with my maemo openid
Feb 24 16:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> Works on meego.com with the full URL.
Feb 24 16:51:06 <GeneralAntilles> "OpenID authentication failed: No matching endpoint found after discovering http://maemo.org/openid/id/generalantilles/" on hrw's link.
Feb 24 16:51:26 <nid0> hrw's link works for me
Feb 24 16:51:52 <nid0> meego.com fails, im already registered there separately though
Feb 24 16:52:08 <GeneralAntilles> Adding an OpenID to my existing account on meego.com worked.
Feb 24 16:52:34 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: and short-url?
Feb 24 16:53:01 <JimiDini> nid0: it fails on meego side or on maemo side? ;)
Feb 24 16:53:17 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, tried it with "maemo.org" and "http://maemo.org" on hrw's link, both failed with that error.
Feb 24 16:53:30 <nid0> meego side sorry, it just recognises that the email addy's already registered - going to try adding to my existing meego.com acct now
Feb 24 16:53:54 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, short URL works on meego.com, however.
Feb 24 16:54:24 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: weird… well, probably that test-server has limitation on nick-length…
Feb 24 16:56:12 <nid0> both types of login work fine on claimid.com
Feb 24 16:56:38 <JimiDini> error could be related to old version of php-openid on that site also
Feb 24 16:56:44 <JimiDini> nid0: thanks
Feb 24 17:00:14 <JimiDini> I guess it  kinda worksâ„¢ ;) back to hacking
Feb 24 17:00:24 <JimiDini> if there are any problems — ping me
Feb 24 17:01:05 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, we want a Bugzilla component?
Feb 24 17:03:20 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all maemo.org resources, which is supposed completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there.
Feb 24 17:03:32 <JimiDini> s/supposed/supposed to work/
Feb 24 17:03:33 <infobot> JimiDini meant: GeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all maemo.org resources, which is supposed to work completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there.
Feb 24 17:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> Er, for OpenID bugs. ;)
Feb 24 17:04:06 <JimiDini> ah… :)
Feb 24 17:04:25 <GeneralAntilles> Up to you, it's something I can help with, though, so I figure I'd offer. ;)
Feb 24 17:05:02 <JimiDini> well, this component is not maemo.org specific. bugs can be reported here: http://trac.midgard-project.org/
Feb 24 17:05:41 <JimiDini> though, probably something at bugzilla would be useful too
Feb 24 17:05:50 <JimiDini> trac is for more technical reports
Feb 24 17:06:44 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, yes, true.
Feb 24 17:07:34 * GeneralAntilles often forgets about Midgard upstream. ;)
Feb 24 17:10:35 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: in this case component was developed because it was needed at maemo.org, but still it is generic :)
Feb 24 17:24:42 <gouverneur> and again no response from talk...
Feb 24 17:26:45 <JimiDini> gouverneur: same here. X-Fade probably knows the reason, but he is away
Feb 24 17:27:26 <pupnik> i wonder what would happen if the community just continued to use the term "maemo" to refer to any nokia linux OS
Feb 24 17:28:22 <pupnik> bad pupnik
Feb 24 17:28:30 <GeneralAntilles> Mass confusion
Feb 24 17:28:35 <GeneralAntilles> Possibly cease and desist letters. :P
Feb 24 17:28:56 <TomaszD> fiferboy, fiferboy_n900 how's the transifex work going?
Feb 24 17:29:05 <frals> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 pretty interesting stuff
Feb 24 17:29:29 <fiferboy_n900> TomaszD: on hold while I search for a job
Feb 24 17:29:41 <TomaszD> fiferboy_n900, IRL job?
Feb 24 17:30:02 <fiferboy_n900> TomaszD: yes
Feb 24 17:30:11 <TomaszD> fiferboy_n900, alright, good luck then
Feb 24 17:30:13 <JimiDini> frals: yup. read it :) it was posted on proggit several days ago
Feb 24 17:30:19 <fiferboy_n900> Thanks
Feb 24 17:31:14 <Arif_> ha
Feb 24 17:31:29 <Arif_> the NES and GB emulators have an L and R button!
Feb 24 17:34:00 <pupnik> i would love to get only posts from a small positive list of users on t.m.o
Feb 24 17:41:11 <RST38h> pupnik: why not create an invitation only forum?
Feb 24 17:41:40 <pupnik> the useful posts should be seen by all
Feb 24 17:43:20 <LuciusMare> Hi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for serial communication only?
Feb 24 17:43:20 <pupnik> the moderators have helped somewhat.  merging new threads into existing ones does help a bit
Feb 24 17:43:21 <cehteh> is there any script or hook or whatever called when the internet connection changes?
Feb 24 17:43:30 <GeneralAntilles> frals, interesting.
Feb 24 17:44:19 <LuciusMare> I want to use the audio jack for serial communication, since there is no serial console on n900
Feb 24 17:44:28 <pupnik> LuciusMare: is there a url describing serial over headphones?
Feb 24 17:45:03 <pupnik> pulse is flexible enough to do that
Feb 24 17:45:23 <LuciusMare> Nope, it is just my idea, and i think it was even accepted here on #maemo
Feb 24 17:45:51 <GeneralAntilles> LuciusMare, serial pads are under the battery.
Feb 24 17:46:06 <hrw> have a nice rest of day
Feb 24 17:46:27 <LuciusMare> yes, but aren't they used for kernel debugging only?
Feb 24 17:47:35 <wumao> how can I access /home/user/ directory of n900 on pc?
Feb 24 17:47:54 <LuciusMare> wumao: mount bind?
Feb 24 17:48:04 <nid0> install rootsh and use winscp
Feb 24 17:48:33 <GeneralAntilles> s/rootsh/openssh/
Feb 24 17:48:36 <wumao>  I want to copy something into that directory
Feb 24 17:48:37 <LuciusMare> heh, yeah, i thought of "on a pc" as "over usb"
Feb 24 17:48:59 <RST38h> pupnik: A Google Group that is invitation only will be visible to everyone but only invited people will post
Feb 24 17:49:01 <wumao> yes, i connect with usb, mass mode
Feb 24 17:49:20 <LuciusMare> No chance of getting the n900 on your network?
Feb 24 17:50:14 <wumao> what do you mean by network?
Feb 24 17:50:37 <LuciusMare> LAN
Feb 24 17:51:53 <wumao> is it possible to transfer file into home/user directory through usb? like the other mobile phones
Feb 24 17:52:15 <nomis> wumao: you can transfer them to home/user/MyDocs.
Feb 24 17:52:19 <nid0> into /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs?
Feb 24 17:52:56 <wumao> yes, how to do that? i cant even find the path from the pc
Feb 24 17:53:03 <LuciusMare> heh
Feb 24 17:53:21 <LuciusMare> the /home/user/MyDocs is that 30GB partition you get
Feb 24 17:53:28 <LuciusMare> when using usb mass storage
Feb 24 17:53:42 <nomis> wumao: plug in the USB, select "Mass Storage Mode" on the device, then you get two devices on the PC.
Feb 24 17:53:47 <gouverneur> wumao: you need to setup usbnetworking and scp the files! not in massstorage mode
Feb 24 17:54:04 <nomis> gouverneur: huh?
Feb 24 17:54:25 <gouverneur> nomis: LuciusMare if you have no clue just sh...
Feb 24 17:54:30 <LuciusMare> gouverneur: not really, he can transfer it to mydocs, and to ~ and vice versa
Feb 24 17:54:43 <wumao> but when I sent up the usbnetworking, connect with pc suit mode, i cant see any device shown on my pc
Feb 24 17:54:49 <LuciusMare> gouverneur: exactly my point
Feb 24 17:55:03 <wazd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxUnbZzuTs heh
Feb 24 17:55:19 <gouverneur> massstorage does export MyDocs and SD nothing else
Feb 24 17:55:23 <nid0> wumao is it /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs you want to access. the difference is pretty important.
Feb 24 17:55:26 <LuciusMare> exactly
Feb 24 17:55:50 <LuciusMare> gouverneur: what do you have against the solution of transfering the file to mydocs, and copying to ~?
Feb 24 17:55:56 <wumao> ok, i think mydoc is much safer
Feb 24 17:56:07 <nid0> to get to mydocs, just plug the phone in in mass storage mode
Feb 24 17:56:09 <nid0> and it shows up.
Feb 24 17:56:11 <nid0> all there is to it
Feb 24 17:56:33 <LuciusMare> Then, open xterm, and copy the files from MyDocs to your home
Feb 24 17:57:16 <gouverneur> LuciusMare: lame I get slower in typing over the day... 9h kbd now.. should go home...
Feb 24 17:57:43 <gouverneur> I was at 'MyDocs' when you hit enter
Feb 24 17:57:46 <LuciusMare> wumao: I might be too curious, but what exaclty do you need to copy to your home?
Feb 24 17:58:35 <wumao> luciusMare, just wonder whether this is a handy way to build binary file on device
Feb 24 17:59:03 <gouverneur> wumao: lol what do you want to build
Feb 24 17:59:21 <LuciusMare> that is yet another problem, but i am sure there was a thread on tmo (talk.maemo.org)
Feb 24 17:59:36 <wumao> a simple helloworld app
Feb 24 18:00:04 <gouverneur> you can do that at MyDocs... doesnt need to be home
Feb 24 18:01:21 <wumao> ok, after i connect with usb, mass mode, i can see N900 on pc
Feb 24 18:02:02 <wumao> enter N900, i can see some directories like DCIM, cities,MAC OS
Feb 24 18:02:11 <LuciusMare> The devices you see, one of them is your memory card, while the other is mydocs,perfectly accessible from the tablet
Feb 24 18:02:30 <LuciusMare> Yes, the N900 is probably the mydocs
Feb 24 18:02:40 <LuciusMare> just being curious, what os do you run?
Feb 24 18:03:18 <wumao> windows, with virtual machine running linuxe
Feb 24 18:03:41 <LuciusMare> i usually prefer it reversed, but whatever O:)
Feb 24 18:10:10 <cehteh> anyone here good with openvpn ... i have problems when switching the connection
Feb 24 18:10:14 <LuciusMare> Hi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for only manually choosed sounds?
Feb 24 18:12:40 <wumao> I think N900 is exactly MyDocs
Feb 24 18:12:48 <wumao> I could find the file there
Feb 24 18:13:29 <wumao> but when I try ./myapp, the terminal show : Permission denied
Feb 24 18:13:36 <wumao> why?
Feb 24 18:13:57 <LuciusMare> not set as executable?
Feb 24 18:14:12 <LuciusMare> chmod +x file
Feb 24 18:14:52 <wumao> executable (application/x-executable)
Feb 24 18:15:03 <sar3th> hey
Feb 24 18:15:06 <LuciusMare> yes, that is the filetype
Feb 24 18:15:06 <lcuk> wumao, MyDocs is marked noexec
Feb 24 18:15:08 <sar3th> i need a bit of git help please
Feb 24 18:15:14 <sar3th> i can't git pull
Feb 24 18:15:18 <lcuk> put binary into /home/user and chmod +x it
Feb 24 18:15:21 <LuciusMare> do you know what does executable mean?
Feb 24 18:15:23 <LuciusMare> oh
Feb 24 18:15:28 <LuciusMare> lcuk: thanks
Feb 24 18:15:41 <sar3th> error message is:
Feb 24 18:15:48 <sar3th> <file> not update. cannot merge
Feb 24 18:15:54 <andrewfblack> Stskeeps: Bug Bug Bug?
Feb 24 18:16:16 <wumao> ok
Feb 24 18:16:41 * RST38h moos at lcuk
Feb 24 18:17:17 <lcuk> hiya RST38h
Feb 24 18:17:26 * lcuk moos contentedly
Feb 24 18:18:17 <wumao> :) how to copy the file from home/user/MyDocs to home/user? some commad like cp /home/user/MyDocs/myapp/ /home/user/myapp?
Feb 24 18:18:30 <LuciusMare> exactly
Feb 24 18:19:00 <LuciusMare> but you can save your fingers by typing: cp MyDocs/myapp .
Feb 24 18:19:08 <LuciusMare> when you are at your home directory
Feb 24 18:19:30 <LuciusMare> you know, that is a question about shell basics, more like for ##linux
Feb 24 18:19:43 <lcuk> how is appp formed?
Feb 24 18:20:03 <LuciusMare> lcuk: your parents didn't give you "the talk" ?
Feb 24 18:20:20 <lcuk> how n900 get pragnent?
Feb 24 18:20:25 <LuciusMare> :P
Feb 24 18:20:33 <Myrtti> it's like, lame
Feb 24 18:20:36 <Myrtti> http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/
Feb 24 18:21:04 <lcuk> wumao, how did you get the app into mydocs i nthe first place
Feb 24 18:21:14 <RST38h> Myrtti: Perligata is better
Feb 24 18:22:07 <wumao> cool, after chmod +x file, the app runs!
Feb 24 18:22:32 <wumao> just connect the phone with pc using usb, mass mode
Feb 24 18:22:44 <wumao> copy the file into the N900 disk
Feb 24 18:22:48 <lcuk> that will become tiresome ;)
Feb 24 18:22:58 <lcuk> install ssh and use scp
Feb 24 18:23:13 <LuciusMare> Myrtti: That is hilariously funny, i think it is a great idea that makes a nice parody.
Feb 24 18:23:16 <LuciusMare> Erm, yo.
Feb 24 18:23:22 <nid0> lcuk: that was the very first suggestion quite a while ago, he wanted usb
Feb 24 18:23:23 <wumao> yes, actually am studying that as well
Feb 24 18:23:36 <nid0> scp wasnt suitable I guess :>
Feb 24 18:23:39 <lcuk> nid0, lol
Feb 24 18:23:47 <RST38h> Myrtti: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html
Feb 24 18:23:56 <lcuk> wumao, are you a windows user at heart?
Feb 24 18:24:02 <wumao> yes
Feb 24 18:24:05 * lcuk nods
Feb 24 18:24:08 <lcuk> i was the same
Feb 24 18:24:11 <lcuk> this place changes you
Feb 24 18:24:18 <LuciusMare> :D
Feb 24 18:24:21 <wumao> I never learn linux before I got the n900
Feb 24 18:24:33 <wumao> so much to learn
Feb 24 18:24:38 <lcuk> snap :) good luck with it
Feb 24 18:24:54 <wumao> anyway, thank you all.
Feb 24 18:24:56 <lcuk> yeah its an uphill stretch coming from windows, but soon you will get it
Feb 24 18:25:14 <LuciusMare> wumao: do not hesistate to ask at #linux :P
Feb 24 18:25:34 <nid0> windows users is what winscp is for :>
Feb 24 18:25:39 <nid0> otherwise, it's just scp.
Feb 24 18:25:42 <wumao> sure :)
Feb 24 18:25:53 <wumao> i have tried madde for a while
Feb 24 18:25:59 <lcuk> i did most of liqbase dev with winscp explorer window
Feb 24 18:26:04 <LuciusMare> woot
Feb 24 18:26:15 <wumao> but it seems not stable at all
Feb 24 18:26:31 <frals> lcuk: hehe, thats how i do fmms
Feb 24 18:26:43 <lcuk> frals i never checked
Feb 24 18:26:46 <lcuk> whats fmms written in
Feb 24 18:26:50 <frals> python!
Feb 24 18:27:05 <lcuk> heh so you scp to device and edit still in windows
Feb 24 18:27:18 <frals> yeah
Feb 24 18:27:26 <lcuk> cool, what editor do you use
Feb 24 18:27:30 <frals> textpad :D
Feb 24 18:27:33 <LuciusMare> emacs
Feb 24 18:27:34 <lcuk> :D
Feb 24 18:27:40 <LuciusMare> :_
Feb 24 18:32:49 <frals> god im going crazy
Feb 24 18:33:02 <frals> like i post in fmms thread "please post log or i have no idea whats wrong"
Feb 24 18:33:15 <frals> AND THE VERY NEXT POST GOES "plz help its not working i get download error"
Feb 24 18:33:31 <sar3th> aaw frals
Feb 24 18:33:32 <nid0> thats forums and users for you
Feb 24 18:33:36 <sar3th> that's people :(
Feb 24 18:33:36 <nid0> welcome to teh internets
Feb 24 18:33:37 * frals introduces head to desk. commence bashing
Feb 24 18:33:42 <RST38h> frals: It is ok, ignore 'em
Feb 24 18:34:12 <RST38h> frals: There are basically too outcomes: either there is more than one idiots in the thread and they start helping each other
Feb 24 18:34:37 <RST38h> frals: Or the idiot posts 3-4 increasingly desperate requests in all caps and disappears
Feb 24 18:35:09 <TomaszD> has anyone checked the rep counter app in testing? it's great
Feb 24 18:35:24 <nid0> 3 would be give popular applications their own subforum and the app's maintainer mod access to it
Feb 24 18:35:54 <TomaszD> I don't want a subforum
Feb 24 18:36:30 <frals> i want people to atleast read the first and last post of a thread before replying, but i wish for too much :P
Feb 24 18:36:44 <frals> RST38h: yeah, im starting to do that now :<
Feb 24 18:38:04 <GAN900> frals, I want ponies too. :P
Feb 24 18:38:15 <frals> :P
Feb 24 18:38:49 <frals> GAN900: you get me users who read before asking questions, ill get you a pony, deal?
Feb 24 18:40:22 <GAN900> frals, I think we're going to both be left feeling very unfulfilled in this endeavour.
Feb 24 18:40:36 <frals> GAN900: im afraid so :(
Feb 24 18:40:57 * wazd thanks gizmodo for answering one of his most important questions in life
Feb 24 18:42:52 <wazd> oh, and titanium iPhone is fake, as expected :(
Feb 24 18:44:24 <frals> wazd: whats your most important question in life? :p
Feb 24 18:44:26 <nid0> titanium iphone case = hi even worse terrible reception
Feb 24 18:45:05 <wazd> frals: no, question was "How game studios record car engines for their sims" :)
Feb 24 18:45:21 <frals> hehe
Feb 24 18:46:14 <wazd> oh, today is actually Steve Jobs birthday
Feb 24 18:49:01 <Xisdibik> wazd: carbonsteel iphone?
Feb 24 18:49:18 <SpeedEvil> Diamond iphone.
Feb 24 18:49:30 <Xisdibik> I heard Lady GaGa has that
Feb 24 18:49:40 <SpeedEvil> I mean solid diamond.
Feb 24 18:49:50 <SpeedEvil> make the case out of artificial diamond
Feb 24 18:50:13 <wazd> Xisdibik: it can be carbon, but, as titanium, it's waaaay tooo difficult to produce it :)
Feb 24 18:50:25 <Xisdibik> wazd: ;)
Feb 24 18:50:40 <wazd> Xisdibik: that's why I was sure it's fake :)
Feb 24 18:50:44 <Xisdibik> SpeedEvil: if there going through that trouble might as well make hte chips and such diamond,  faster speed then ;)
Feb 24 18:50:48 <RST38h> moo wazd
Feb 24 18:50:54 <RST38h> wazd: how are things?
Feb 24 18:51:22 <wazd> RST38h: heya :) Well, comme ca :)
Feb 24 18:52:00 <RST38h> wazd: goigng to attend the Maemo dev event at the end of March?
Feb 24 18:52:31 <wazd> RST38h: I haven't received confirmation :)
Feb 24 18:53:06 <wazd> RST38h: and it would be boring GTK lecture that I already heard in SPB, so I can just come to the afterparty :P
Feb 24 18:54:52 <dracflamloc> so
Feb 24 18:54:59 <dracflamloc> whats the best mp3 player for n900
Feb 24 18:55:00 <GAN900> wazd, microphones? :P
Feb 24 18:55:29 <GAN900> Somebody had a piece about how Turn 10 collected their stuff for Forza years ago
Feb 24 18:55:35 <GAN900> Interesting stuff.
Feb 24 18:55:57 <SpeedEvil> dracflamloc: the inbuilt one mostly works for me.
Feb 24 18:56:07 <wazd> GAN900: well, yeah :D but it's not that easy, as I expected :)
Feb 24 18:56:17 <GAN900> Nope
Feb 24 18:57:27 <Arif_> hmm
Feb 24 18:57:35 <Arif_> where's shuffle in kmplayer
Feb 24 18:57:51 <dracflamloc> hm
Feb 24 18:57:53 <dracflamloc> see
Feb 24 18:57:56 <dracflamloc> maybe im missing something
Feb 24 18:58:03 <dracflamloc> but my music doesnt seem to be pulling in correctly
Feb 24 18:58:04 <wazd> GAN900: but this question was disturbing my mind since I've played NFS: Shift, cause sound there was ultra-realistic
Feb 24 18:58:10 <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/ Free as in ...
Feb 24 18:58:16 <SpeedEvil> :)
Feb 24 18:58:33 <SpeedEvil> Sound is smoother if you add rsize=8192
Feb 24 18:59:13 <dracflamloc> 'unknown artist' has 10,000 entries
Feb 24 18:59:21 <dracflamloc> and im pretty sure its reading in sound files from games or something
Feb 24 18:59:50 <dracflamloc> can i tell it to ignore certain folders
Feb 24 19:00:13 * andrewfblack is bored
Feb 24 19:01:43 <dracflamloc> when you select delete in the media player, does it actually delete the files?
Feb 24 19:01:58 * SpeedEvil cures andrewfblacks boredom.
Feb 24 19:02:05 * SpeedEvil puts down the container labelled ants.
Feb 24 19:03:25 <GAN900> wazd, NFS: Shift is unplayable
Feb 24 19:03:51 <RST38h> wazd: ah there will be a confirmation and a boring qt lecture afaik ::)
Feb 24 19:04:00 <GAN900> wazd, I've been driving sims since the 90s and I just smack into one wall after another in Shift.
Feb 24 19:04:07 <RST38h> wazd: Actually they have got a list of lectures, some boring others should be ok
Feb 24 19:04:28 <RST38h> GAN, wazd: RALLY-X!
Feb 24 19:05:56 <wazd> GAN900: I'm dreaming of buying G25, but I've played with simple keyboard it it worked fine
Feb 24 19:06:05 <wazd> GAN900: try to enable some aids :P
Feb 24 19:06:16 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, driving aids?
Feb 24 19:06:17 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
Feb 24 19:06:52 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: well, it's near impossible to trive without them with keyboard :)
Feb 24 19:06:59 <wazd> drive*
Feb 24 19:07:06 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, I drove sims with a keyboard, too.
Feb 24 19:07:20 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: have you got wheel?
Feb 24 19:07:21 <GeneralAntilles> Although with ABS and TCS.
Feb 24 19:07:26 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, had one, sold it.
Feb 24 19:07:37 <GeneralAntilles> Logitech MOMO
Feb 24 19:07:43 <GeneralAntilles> I learned on a gamepad and still drive best with one.
Feb 24 19:07:51 <GeneralAntilles> 360 gamepad for both my 360 and my Mac.
Feb 24 19:08:00 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: hmmm
Feb 24 19:08:17 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: is it worth dreaming of wheel? :)
Feb 24 19:08:31 <Kegetys> if you get a wheel then at least play some proper sims
Feb 24 19:08:34 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, not sure.
Feb 24 19:08:37 <jo-erlend> on Nokia N900, can I install other operating systems? When MeeGo is released, for instance?
Feb 24 19:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> I wouldn't start with the G25. :P
Feb 24 19:08:44 <Corsac> jo-erlend: maybe
Feb 24 19:08:48 <GeneralAntilles> Though, actually, I'd love to try a wheel with a proper clutch.
Feb 24 19:08:53 <jo-erlend> Corsac, maybe?
Feb 24 19:08:54 <GeneralAntilles> but I really didn't use it much
Feb 24 19:08:56 <Corsac> GeneralAntilles: remind me to not get in a car with you :)
Feb 24 19:09:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's a pain to set up and take down all of the time.
Feb 24 19:09:11 <GeneralAntilles> Corsac, fly-by-wire.
Feb 24 19:09:12 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: you can install them - that is there is nothing precluding you doing so.
Feb 24 19:09:18 <GeneralAntilles> Corsac, it's like Men in Black. :P
Feb 24 19:09:18 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: well, I want to buy used g25 for like 200 bucks
Feb 24 19:09:26 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: they simply have to be made to run on it
Feb 24 19:09:28 <GeneralAntilles> Corsac, no, but I have no trouble using a wheel and pedals in a car. ;)
Feb 24 19:09:38 <RST38h> RALLY-X, you fanatics!
Feb 24 19:09:43 <ScribbleJ> jo-erlend, it's too early to say for MeeGo.  In theory, probably?  But there is nothing to stop you from hacking something in there.  You saw someone got Android going on the N900?  I think just in a chroot, but still.
Feb 24 19:09:54 <jo-erlend> SpeedEvil, right. But I do get access to the interal storage so that I can install it?
Feb 24 19:09:54 <RST38h> (the last driving sim I ever had fun playing)
Feb 24 19:10:00 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: yes
Feb 24 19:10:04 <ScribbleJ> jo-erlend, yes, you have access to everything.
Feb 24 19:10:12 <jo-erlend> using usb, or how?
Feb 24 19:10:14 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: n900 is much closer to a 'normal' PC linux than most phones.
Feb 24 19:10:15 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, unless you have a station that can be your driving rig then putting it up and taking it down all the time is just a pain.
Feb 24 19:10:33 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: add 'rootsh' package - open xterm - type root - and you're root.
Feb 24 19:10:39 <Kegetys> doesnt take that long to lift it to the table and back for me
Feb 24 19:10:41 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, and I found I drove better with the pad even after months of practicing with the wheel.
Feb 24 19:10:46 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: and rootsh is in the default repositories
Feb 24 19:12:05 <wazd> RST38h: MicroMachines :D
Feb 24 19:12:27 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, see if you can't find one to play with before you buy.
Feb 24 19:12:33 <wazd> RST38h: well, I can contact Timofey and ask him to register me anyway
Feb 24 19:12:51 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: on fbreader - somewhat randomly - is there a way programatically to get it to go to next page?
Feb 24 19:12:52 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: well, I think I saw some demo places for it
Feb 24 19:12:59 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: dbus or something?
Feb 24 19:13:29 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, also, try a real damn sim. :P
Feb 24 19:13:35 <jo-erlend> SpeedEvil, yes I know. But I don't understand how to start installing a new operating system on it.
Feb 24 19:13:38 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: Live for Speed? :)
Feb 24 19:13:44 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that's a good one.
Feb 24 19:13:46 <GeneralAntilles> Buggy, but good.
Feb 24 19:13:58 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: that's a helluva sim
Feb 24 19:14:03 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: too complex for me :D
Feb 24 19:14:14 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 24 19:14:28 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: I tried to play it online and was beaten like 3yo boy
Feb 24 19:14:28 <SpeedEvil> jo-erlend: well - you can start by simply editing the init http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/
Feb 24 19:14:30 <SpeedEvil> http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/
Feb 24 19:14:31 <GeneralAntilles> It takes a while to build up the skills for a real sim. ;)
Feb 24 19:14:32 <SpeedEvil> for example.
Feb 24 19:15:00 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: I was drunk for a week after that, it was really humilliating! :D
Feb 24 19:15:20 <RST38h> SpeedEvil" prolly no, sorry
Feb 24 19:15:40 <RST38h> It has never been intended to work over dbus
Feb 24 19:16:03 <jo-erlend> SpeedEvil, ah.. I forgot about the microsdhc slot :)
Feb 24 19:16:31 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: k. Wondering to change page over ssh.
Feb 24 19:16:49 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: (n900 propped up next to bed - keyboard under covers)
Feb 24 19:18:47 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: more book.txt
Feb 24 19:18:57 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: what game I'm dreaming of is an MMORacingSim where you just drive, like in the city :)
Feb 24 19:19:20 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/testdriveunlimited/index.html with multiplayer? ;)
Feb 24 19:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, or do you mean GTA? :D
Feb 24 19:19:36 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: I suppose so - (but lynx) and xrnadr
Feb 24 19:19:38 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: yeah, TDU was a close step
Feb 24 19:19:56 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: no, with no guns, but with real physics and stuff
Feb 24 19:20:14 <GeneralAntilles> Driver was nice like that
Feb 24 19:20:52 <mtnbkr> wazd: I htink that is called "life"  :)
Feb 24 19:21:07 <GeneralAntilles> mtnbkr, yeah, but Ferraris cost money in "life". ;)
Feb 24 19:21:14 <wazd> mtnbkr: well, Moscow traffic is way too nervous
Feb 24 19:21:19 <SpeedEvil> GeneralAntilles: Only the ones with good locks.
Feb 24 19:21:32 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, well, they all cost something.
Feb 24 19:21:37 <mtnbkr> lol
Feb 24 19:21:40 <GeneralAntilles> 5-10 for those, maybe. ;)
Feb 24 19:22:30 <wazd> mtnbkr: even though I have full ensurance - it's still a bit tricky to drive for me :) That's why I'm not a fan of real driving :)
Feb 24 19:23:34 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, what, bad coordination? :P
Feb 24 19:24:20 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: no, I actually park like god :D
Feb 24 19:24:31 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: just strange stance of mind
Feb 24 19:25:01 * GeneralAntilles always has to watch himself after long racing sessions.
Feb 24 19:25:08 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: and all that infinite jams here are really boring
Feb 24 19:28:07 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: what I actually liked in HFS:S is in-car view. Really convincing
Feb 24 19:28:12 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Does tim still want his cloak? Freenode staff member contacted me. Tim didn't respond :)
Feb 24 19:28:24 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, he does.
Feb 24 19:28:30 <GeneralAntilles> He should be back for the meeting.
Feb 24 19:29:30 <X-Fade> Ok.
Feb 24 19:31:07 <timeless> hey generalantilles
Feb 24 19:31:13 * timeless is now running 10.6.2 :o
Feb 24 19:31:17 <GeneralAntilles> Weeee
Feb 24 19:31:23 <GeneralAntilles> Finder sucks less, doesn't it?
Feb 24 19:31:24 <timeless> what irc client should i use?
Feb 24 19:31:30 <timeless> i'm trying limechat, it's a lemmon
Feb 24 19:31:43 <Stskeeps> ssh and irssi?
Feb 24 19:31:51 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, Adium
Feb 24 19:32:01 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, grab 1.5 from mercurial.
Feb 24 19:32:05 <timeless> stskeeps: that's what i'm doing
Feb 24 19:32:17 <timeless> generalantilles: err, i just grabbed 1.3.10 from their site..
Feb 24 19:32:24 * timeless wonders what happened to 1.4
Feb 24 19:32:30 <GeneralAntilles> It's in beta
Feb 24 19:32:41 <GeneralAntilles> Er, 1.4hg
Feb 24 19:32:48 <timeless> does adium require a compiler?
Feb 24 19:33:06 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: is adium's irc-support better than Colloquy?
Feb 24 19:33:08 <timeless> i'm using my n900 for connectivity and don't have developer tools yet
Feb 24 19:33:27 * JimiDini uses Colloquy for many years and it works good
Feb 24 19:33:28 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, for the most part.
Feb 24 19:33:38 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, mostly it's not slow and leaky as hell.
Feb 24 19:33:48 <GeneralAntilles> and netsplits don't make it SBBoD for 2 minutes.
Feb 24 19:34:03 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, yeah, 1.4 will need XCode.
Feb 24 19:34:10 <GeneralAntilles> Well, maybe not.
Feb 24 19:34:13 <GeneralAntilles> Hang on
Feb 24 19:34:25 <GeneralAntilles> http://adium.im/beta/
Feb 24 19:34:42 * timeless hangs
Feb 24 19:35:04 <GeneralAntilles> I s/:/,/ for the tab-completion separator which I why I went with the CVS version.
Feb 24 19:35:15 <Arif_> meh
Feb 24 19:35:31 <Arif_> these spam merchants ont he forum are starting to annoy me
Feb 24 19:35:32 <Arif_> :P
Feb 24 19:41:09 <Vanadis> hmm, how do i uninstall the preinstalled apps (blocks, chess, Mahjong)?
Feb 24 19:42:01 * timeless tries to figure out how to get adium 1.3 to connect to irc
Feb 24 19:42:18 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, not sure if it does
Feb 24 19:42:29 <GeneralAntilles> Grab the beta from the link http://adium.im/beta/
Feb 24 19:42:31 <timeless> you mean i really need 1.4?
Feb 24 19:42:37 <timeless> it'd downloading. 48s left
Feb 24 19:42:41 <GeneralAntilles> IRC was new for 1.4
Feb 24 19:43:52 * andrewfblack wonders if its worth the time to start another Fremantle Hildon Theme or not
Feb 24 19:46:05 <lcuk> andrewfblack, polkadot, take existing theme and dottify it
Feb 24 19:46:50 <andrewfblack> lcuk: Polkadot Maemo.org theme :)
Feb 24 19:47:37 <lcuk> andrewfblack, you may know, have we got an automatic background changer tool yet
Feb 24 19:47:51 <lcuk> something to change them to subset of available panoramics
Feb 24 19:48:34 <andrewfblack> lcuk: nope not background tools yet
Feb 24 19:48:47 * andrewfblack really needs a pocket programmer
Feb 24 19:50:23 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: testing Adium for irc. looks good… but a bit too noisy, I think
Feb 24 19:50:28 <integer`> how to regen menu file in maemo 4 ?
Feb 24 19:50:57 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, noisy?
Feb 24 19:51:01 <andrewfblack> guess I'm going to buy a qt book this week
Feb 24 19:51:08 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, I recommend yMous for nick coloring, by the way.
Feb 24 19:51:35 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: yes. Colloquy fits message on one line, Adium puts it on 2…
Feb 24 19:51:49 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, change the font size? :P
Feb 24 19:52:11 <midas> n900 ftw
Feb 24 19:52:28 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: it's not font-size, it's "style", I guess (first line for nick, second for message)
Feb 24 19:52:56 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, oh, yeah, the default still is IM-friendly.
Feb 24 19:52:59 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: and how do i split things into multiple windows?
Feb 24 19:53:00 <GeneralAntilles> JimiDini, install yMous
Feb 24 19:53:01 <midas> one of the best things must be the possiblility to mount nfs shares :P
Feb 24 19:53:23 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, checking "Save opened chats when quitting" is the easy way under "General" in settings.
Feb 24 19:53:28 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: btw, i've already managed to crash adium once in this session (trying to save my nickserv password i guess)
Feb 24 19:53:41 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, drag the tabs around to move them into their own windows or add them to existing ones.
Feb 24 19:53:50 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, and install the yMous theme.
Feb 24 19:54:24 <timeless_mbp> how?
Feb 24 19:54:39 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=5474
Feb 24 19:54:46 <GeneralAntilles> Click on "Install" in the right column there.
Feb 24 19:55:42 <JimiDini> GeneralAntilles: yup. looks better (using for group-chats only for now)
Feb 24 19:55:47 <timeless_mbp> ok, i did that
Feb 24 19:55:51 <timeless_mbp> when does it take effect?
Feb 24 19:56:33 <JimiDini> timeless: it required disconnect/close irc-window/connect on my machine
Feb 24 19:56:43 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, after you pick it in prefs on new chat or restart
Feb 24 19:56:54 <timeless_mbp> JimiDini: incredibly inconvenient
Feb 24 19:57:08 * JimiDini is awfully glad that he has irc-proxy installed and can use many irc-cliens for same sessions ;)
Feb 24 19:57:08 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, Colloquy had /reload style
Feb 24 19:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> I think it's still being implemented for Adium.
Feb 24 19:57:52 <GeneralAntilles> Web coordination meeting in #meego-meeting in 3 minutes!
Feb 24 19:59:17 <timeless_mbp> well, at least dragging tabs in/out hasn't crashed it yet
Feb 24 19:59:26 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Feb 24 19:59:27 <GeneralAntilles> Colloquy
Feb 24 19:59:30 <timeless_mbp> (that's something that generally kills colloquy)
Feb 24 19:59:34 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, Adium's pretty solid.
Feb 24 19:59:51 <timeless_mbp> well, i've already crashed it once
Feb 24 19:59:55 <timeless_mbp> so i'd hardly call it solid :)
Feb 24 20:00:07 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, I haven't crashed it in months and months.
Feb 24 20:00:19 <timeless_mbp> where do bug reports go?
Feb 24 20:00:21 <GeneralAntilles> But it's way more solid than Colloquy (not saying much I guess, but still).
Feb 24 20:00:29 <timeless_mbp> indeed
Feb 24 20:00:39 <timeless_mbp> it's too flashy
Feb 24 20:00:50 <timeless_mbp> i don't like the numbers that change my tab width
Feb 24 20:01:00 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, trac.
Feb 24 20:01:04 <timeless_mbp> ugh
Feb 24 20:01:19 <timeless_mbp> if i pastebin my crash, can someone figure out if it's reported? :)
Feb 24 20:01:50 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, you can turn off that in Advanced
Feb 24 20:01:55 <GeneralAntilles> Adium's pretty nicely configurable for the most part
Feb 24 20:02:05 <GeneralAntilles> So just poke around in Settings if there's something you need to change.
Feb 24 20:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, bug #adium. ;)
Feb 24 20:03:02 <timeless_mbp> #adium or #adium-dev* ?
Feb 24 20:03:20 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, hrm, I've always used #adium.
Feb 24 20:03:31 <GeneralAntilles> Hadn't realized there were other channels.
Feb 24 20:15:09 <reggna> #maemo-devel
Feb 24 20:15:18 <jo-erlend> what do the different colors of the led indicators mean on n900?
Feb 24 20:15:51 <GeneralAntilles> jo-erlend, blue is a notification (SMS, IM, missed call, etc.)
Feb 24 20:15:57 <GeneralAntilles> White is for powering up or powering down
Feb 24 20:16:00 <GeneralAntilles> Orange is for charging
Feb 24 20:16:03 <GeneralAntilles> Green is for charged
Feb 24 20:16:08 <jo-erlend> ah, thanks. :)
Feb 24 20:16:17 <corecode> is the source for the mail app available?  i'm not yet comfortable in the maemo repos
Feb 24 20:16:30 <ds3> and is red for overload?
Feb 24 20:16:36 <jo-erlend> overload?
Feb 24 20:16:43 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, red isn't defined for anything as far as I know.
Feb 24 20:16:43 <ds3> or prehaps battery danger? ;)
Feb 24 20:16:55 <GeneralAntilles> Red is for when an iPhone user gets too close.
Feb 24 20:17:02 <GeneralAntilles> corecode, yes, it's called Modest
Feb 24 20:17:04 <jo-erlend> :)
Feb 24 20:17:06 <ds3> actually, can it do red?
Feb 24 20:17:07 <GeneralAntilles> corecode, backend is tinymail.
Feb 24 20:17:47 <corecode> where do i find the sources?
Feb 24 20:17:51 <ds3> a real question
Feb 24 20:17:59 <corecode> i can't seem to find them on gitorious
Feb 24 20:18:16 <ds3> does the N900 have all the functionality of the older N8xx's if there is no SIM in there or has nokia treated like a phone and locked out things?
Feb 24 20:18:20 <GeneralAntilles> Think it's on Garage
Feb 24 20:18:39 <Stskeeps> ds3: yes, except AGPS sucks a bit
Feb 24 20:18:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 24 20:18:40 <jo-erlend> corecode, add an deb-src to sources.list?
Feb 24 20:18:45 <GeneralAntilles> http://gitorious.org/modest/
Feb 24 20:19:04 <timeless> ds3: the n900 doesn't have two sd card slots
Feb 24 20:19:07 <ds3> Stskeeps: is there a regular GPS?
Feb 24 20:19:15 <timeless> so it doesn't have all the functionality of the n800
Feb 24 20:19:18 <ds3> or is it tied to the phone network to get a lock?
Feb 24 20:19:26 <timeless> nor does it have a mini sd slot, so it's missing functionality from the n810
Feb 24 20:19:31 <ds3> timeless: yes, that and the lack of host mode is a sore spot
Feb 24 20:19:32 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, only because the GPS is sucky.
Feb 24 20:19:33 <corecode> somehow i have the feeling that it doesn't always connect to the wifi network available
Feb 24 20:19:36 <jo-erlend> ds3, what kind of locks are you talking about? It seems very open.
Feb 24 20:19:41 <corecode> but i have to do so manually
Feb 24 20:19:44 <timeless> the n800 supported a swivel camera, the n900 doesn't have that :)
Feb 24 20:19:50 <corecode> i guess that's known, is it?
Feb 24 20:19:51 <Stskeeps> ds3: lock -helps a lot- :P
Feb 24 20:19:52 <ds3> jo-erlend: some phones refuse to do anything w/o a valid sim
Feb 24 20:20:10 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, it'll work, but the chipset is intended for use with network assistance
Feb 24 20:20:14 <GeneralAntilles> So it wont work WELL
Feb 24 20:20:17 <ds3> gotcha
Feb 24 20:20:20 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing's been intentionally locked out, however.
Feb 24 20:20:29 <ds3> so I assume I can still pair up a BT GPS to replace it?
Feb 24 20:20:35 <corecode> so how come modest is not on maemo.gitorious.org?
Feb 24 20:21:08 <GeneralAntilles> corecode, don't ask me. ;)
Feb 24 20:21:11 <corecode> heh
Feb 24 20:21:14 <corecode> thanks anyways
Feb 24 20:21:17 <corecode> that's good to know
Feb 24 20:21:30 <ds3> or has the BT GPS bit been removed?
Feb 24 20:21:32 <corecode> the sent-mail-not-on-imap issue is nasty
Feb 24 20:21:38 <GeneralAntilles> corecode, you could karma whore and file a bug on bugs.maemo.org about that.
Feb 24 20:22:10 <corecode> nevermind :)
Feb 24 20:22:24 <corecode> more important things to do (:/)
Feb 24 20:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> Er, the "Modest not in maemo.gitorious.org"
Feb 24 20:23:10 <Klowner> obscure question, but anyone here using an N900 in Holland?
Feb 24 20:23:28 <derf> ds3: BT GPS works fine with the N900.
Feb 24 20:24:05 <jo-erlend> can I use the GPS on N900 on my laptop?
Feb 24 20:25:00 <Klowner> jo-erlend: I would suspect you could run gpsd on the n900 and then connect to it via usb-networking
Feb 24 20:25:20 <Klowner> ..maybe
Feb 24 20:25:49 <jo-erlend> not via bt?
Feb 24 20:27:09 <Klowner> jo-erlend: it doesn't provide any gps-related bluetooth services as far as I'm aware, that'd be a nice thing to have though
Feb 24 20:27:25 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: how do i open a /query in adium?!
Feb 24 20:27:43 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, I think cmd-n does it.
Feb 24 20:27:44 <jo-erlend> Klowner, but that's an OS issue?
Feb 24 20:27:54 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, I usually just fire them off and wait for the response to open a window.
Feb 24 20:28:12 <timeless_mbp> eww. yuck yuck
Feb 24 20:28:26 <timeless_mbp> in colloquy, /query victim message opens a window w/ the message
Feb 24 20:28:32 <timeless_mbp> which means i know i sent it
Feb 24 20:28:38 <timeless_mbp> otherwise, i have no idea if / when i sent something
Feb 24 20:28:38 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, yeah, I know.
Feb 24 20:28:42 <GeneralAntilles> One thing that bugs me
Feb 24 20:28:49 <GeneralAntilles> Try cmd-n for it.
Feb 24 20:28:56 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe poke #adium about a better solution
Feb 24 20:29:01 <GeneralAntilles> There may be a setting, dunno.
Feb 24 20:29:19 <timeless_mbp> later
Feb 24 20:29:20 <Klowner> jo-erlend: yeah. unless someone were to write an additional bluetooth service for the n900 which provided a bluetooth interface to the maemo location api stuff, such a thing seems theoretically possible
Feb 24 20:33:34 <jo-erlend> think I want to try Ubuntu MID on it. :)
Feb 24 20:33:38 <hume> hi... I'm trying to connect my n900 to an ubuntu laptop, but it does not mount, neither in mass storage nor in PC-suite mode. Is there something I can do?
Feb 24 20:34:27 <Klowner> hume: it does the little pop-up pc-suite / mass storage selector when you plug it in?
Feb 24 20:34:48 <hume> Klowner, yes, and then I select one of them
Feb 24 20:37:06 <Klowner> hume: hm, on mine it pops up a thing in ubuntu asking what I'd like to do with the newly inserted device. open in f-spot, open folder, etc.
Feb 24 20:37:19 <hume> Klowner, right now I have it in mass storage mode. On the n900, when I click the small BT-symbol, it says "connected via USB, mass storage mode"
Feb 24 20:37:27 <corecode> wait what the n900 is not supported by the ovi pc suite?
Feb 24 20:37:38 <hume> Klowner, hrm... ok.....could be my laptop, perhaps?
Feb 24 20:38:09 <Klowner> hume: maybe, check dmesg and also make sure "Nokia N900" isn't listed in the "Places" section of your gnome menu
Feb 24 20:38:25 <adeus> sometime my ubuntu just does nothing
Feb 24 20:38:29 <hume> another issue: when I browse to my google calendar on the N900, it shows in a simplified PDA-mode - how can I make the browser show it in normal mode
Feb 24 20:38:31 <hume> ?
Feb 24 20:38:35 <adeus> booting helps
Feb 24 20:39:30 <hume> Klowner, oops....it's there....ok...sp got mounted without any nautilus pop-up....interesting
Feb 24 20:39:43 <hume> thanks......
Feb 24 20:39:57 <Klowner> hume: not sure about google calendar, but I have my google calendar sync with the built-in calendar
Feb 24 20:39:57 <hume> got any ideas on my browser - google-calendar  issue?
Feb 24 20:40:27 <hume> Klowner, how do you do that, it didn't know that worked....
Feb 24 20:40:52 <Klowner> hume: it works using the Mail For Exchange stuff
Feb 24 20:41:01 <Klowner> there's instruction somewhere, I shall find them
Feb 24 20:41:14 <Klowner> hume: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=5f92340e8dea5ed7&hl=en
Feb 24 20:41:43 <corecode> sheesh
Feb 24 20:41:47 <hume> Klowner, ok, i haven't got it to work. Is there a place in the Mail for Excange where i can choose which google cal is to be synced? that might be my problem, it might sync the wrong one
Feb 24 20:41:56 <Klowner> instructions aren't very well written
Feb 24 20:42:01 <corecode> so, any idea how i can migrate my e51 messages to the n900?
Feb 24 20:42:47 <GeneralAntilles> corecode, the migration assistant on S60 may help.
Feb 24 20:42:58 <corecode> it did migrate the contacts
Feb 24 20:43:03 <corecode> but not the messages
Feb 24 20:43:07 <hume> Klowner, no....but those are the ones I followed. but i think my issue is that I have several calendars
Feb 24 20:43:51 <Klowner> hume: ah, that may be, I'm not sure about what to do with multiple calendars
Feb 24 20:48:13 <hume> Klowner, thanks. I think I get it now
Feb 24 20:49:44 <Pronto|n900> woooooot! got a socks5 proxy via ssh working on n900 meamo browser :D
Feb 24 20:54:58 <samosa> did not know n900 community was this big.
Feb 24 20:55:45 <Texrat> wazd: here
Feb 24 20:55:58 <wazd> Texrat: I've read your pdf :)
Feb 24 20:56:03 <Texrat> and?
Feb 24 20:56:09 <Texrat> (that was fast btw)
Feb 24 20:56:10 <cpscotti> samosa:  next thing we're going to write blog post condemning microsoft, boycott google and thus turn the internet in a better place. (lol)
Feb 24 20:56:33 <mtnbkr> cpscotti: you forgot Apple. :)
Feb 24 20:56:39 <wazd> Texrat: you must know that PayPal doesn't work in some countries :)
Feb 24 20:56:40 <samosa> lol
Feb 24 20:57:09 <wazd> Texrat: so it will be impossible to manage donations like this for everyone :(
Feb 24 20:57:12 <cpscotti> Apple is so worse than we won't even touch them.. we'll just let them kill themselves with their religious "non-porn" public
Feb 24 20:57:29 <frals> pdf? what? where? whatabout?
Feb 24 20:59:08 <Texrat> frals: http://maemo-daemons.org/MeeGo_User_Experience_Framework.pdf
Feb 24 20:59:15 <frals> Texrat: ta
Feb 24 20:59:35 <Texrat> wazd: yes I know but this is just a start, with examples
Feb 24 21:01:40 <pupnik_> texrat!  how you doin man?
Feb 24 21:02:10 <Texrat> pupnik: surviving
Feb 24 21:02:13 <Texrat> you?
Feb 24 21:02:28 <Arif_> cpscotti, but playboy is alright!
Feb 24 21:04:38 <cpscotti> Arif_: lol!
Feb 24 21:04:42 <13WAAFQRH> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/02/23/image/288459_CSS%20Mess.jpg
Feb 24 21:04:52 <wazd> Texrat: ah, ok then :)
Feb 24 21:04:53 <frals> Texrat: nice stuff
Feb 24 21:05:21 <Arif_> oh great
Feb 24 21:05:27 <Arif_> I thought I'd put some games on the N900
Feb 24 21:05:31 <Arif_> and now I have over 3GB of ROMs
Feb 24 21:05:32 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 21:07:07 <Texrat> frals: thanks.  suggestions welcome
Feb 24 21:07:24 <jo-erlend> I should put my videos in /home/user/MyDocs/.video or somewhere else?
Feb 24 21:07:26 <tank-man> lol, that jpg above is safe by the way
Feb 24 21:08:04 <Arif_> jo-erlend, as long as its somewhere on the 27GB partition
Feb 24 21:09:27 <jo-erlend> Arif_, but I'd like the media to be available in the media player, without navigating to them in the file manager.
Feb 24 21:09:41 <Arif_> doesn't matter
Feb 24 21:09:45 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, save the specific stuff for another meeting. ;)
Feb 24 21:10:13 <Arif_> they get indexed anyway
Feb 24 21:11:04 <corecode> does the maemo ovi maps version deal with offline maps?
Feb 24 21:11:14 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Feb 24 21:11:24 <corecode> how do i get them?
Feb 24 21:11:35 <corecode> i only seem to find symbian packages
Feb 24 21:11:47 <GeneralAntilles> They usually come bundled for your region
Feb 24 21:11:55 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure about downloading other regions or replacing lost regions.
Feb 24 21:12:10 <frals> http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c
Feb 24 21:15:08 <jo-erlend> Arif_, that didn't happen here.
Feb 24 21:15:25 <Arif_> it did here!
Feb 24 21:15:43 <cpscotti> frals: thanksss!
Feb 24 21:21:39 <corecode> heh oh wow
Feb 24 21:21:41 <corecode> large maps
Feb 24 21:22:29 <Arif_> Dutchland ýs only 60MB
Feb 24 21:23:41 <dmj7261> igagis: I really like your theremin app
Feb 24 21:23:45 <corecode> well, i'm downloading europe
Feb 24 21:23:52 <corecode> and america
Feb 24 21:23:58 <corecode> just to make sure :)
Feb 24 21:24:12 <Arif_> stop travelýng over býg mapped places :P
Feb 24 21:24:19 <Arif_> yourope ýs 1.6GB or somethýng :o
Feb 24 21:24:31 <corecode> are your accents a bit off?
Feb 24 21:24:32 <corecode> :)
Feb 24 21:24:43 <Arif_> someone stole the dot off my i apparently
Feb 24 21:24:45 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 21:24:45 <igagis> dmj7261: :)
Feb 24 21:25:14 <corecode> so should i get a microsd card?
Feb 24 21:25:20 <corecode> or is that not necessary
Feb 24 21:25:31 <dmj7261> igagis: I downloaded the code and was looking at ways it could be improved.
Feb 24 21:25:34 <Arif_> you can never have enough space
Feb 24 21:25:54 <Arif_> but
Feb 24 21:25:57 <Arif_> 32GB is enough :P
Feb 24 21:26:21 <lcuk> Arif_, i describe 32gb as a good start!
Feb 24 21:26:34 <Arif_> yea
Feb 24 21:26:39 <pupnik_> it is too much forf this tracker schema
Feb 24 21:26:40 <Arif_> I only have 4GB left
Feb 24 21:26:41 <jo-erlend> Arif_, perhaps it takes a while before the index is updated?
Feb 24 21:26:48 <nid0> 32gb is "about bearable if upnp works"
Feb 24 21:26:51 <nid0> which it doesnt :<
Feb 24 21:26:57 <dmj7261> igagis: Have you thought about improving the samples/synth?
Feb 24 21:27:12 <Arif_> jo-erlend, they showed up when I pulled out the USB
Feb 24 21:27:24 <Arif_> you can try tracker-processes -r
Feb 24 21:27:27 <Arif_> in terminal
Feb 24 21:27:44 <igagis> dmj7261: well, synth is hard, it takes much cpu, and I don't know how to improve it actually
Feb 24 21:28:01 <igagis> dmj7261: have you manged to build the code&
Feb 24 21:28:03 <igagis> ?
Feb 24 21:28:08 <pupnik_> a TB303 / 808 jambox would be fun
Feb 24 21:28:26 <pupnik_> wonder if they would consider a port of RubberDuck
Feb 24 21:28:38 <dmj7261> Not yet.  I downloaded it like 15 minutes ago and was digging in the synth code to see what you wrote there.
Feb 24 21:29:01 <dmj7261> I've noticed that there seems to be a sort of glitching when you switch notes quickly.
Feb 24 21:29:12 <cpscotti> so people.. one question about garage.maemo developer philosophy; You have you mature software there, +15 votes: it's going for extras in no time (Q&A crit) to aid lots of users.  Then you find a minor, hidden little bug.. you fix it and upload to -devel.
Feb 24 21:29:22 <igagis> dmj7261: I see, the code is now only for N900
Feb 24 21:29:36 <pupnik_> and the game starts anew cpscotti
Feb 24 21:29:40 <cpscotti> Should you make everyone wait for another 20+ days to get it or you let the old version going and send the updated version after the first one hit extras.. relying on the update system..
Feb 24 21:29:41 <dmj7261> I have the n900
Feb 24 21:29:46 <dmj7261> no n8x0
Feb 24 21:29:48 <igagis> dmj7261: in case you hav N8x) you have to ceckout some old rev then
Feb 24 21:29:57 <igagis> dmj7261: that's fine
Feb 24 21:30:06 <cpscotti> pupnik_: didn't get it..
Feb 24 21:30:40 <dmj7261> Wow, that violin sample is really odd.
Feb 24 21:31:35 <igagis> dmj7261: as soon you use some vibrato when playing violin sample it sounds a bit more like violin
Feb 24 21:31:52 <pupnik_> cpscotti: i don't know how it works
Feb 24 21:32:38 <cpscotti> pupnik_: hmm.. the thing is.. the software is very useful, won't harm anyone and less than 5% of the users will note the little bug.. by then the new version has already hit extras..
Feb 24 21:32:52 <nid0> largely depends on the bug I guess, if it's some minor functionality flaw that doesnt otherwise adversely affect the device, may as well let it go out and just get the next one going through the testing process
Feb 24 21:32:58 <cpscotti> it is hard to decide
Feb 24 21:33:21 <cpscotti> nid0: what I think! and that's exactly the case..
Feb 24 21:33:30 <lcuk> pupnik_, khertan has been using pygame to great effect
Feb 24 21:33:33 <cpscotti> but you know.. community.. it's better to ask
Feb 24 21:33:34 <lcuk> have you got any experience with it
Feb 24 21:33:36 <nid0> whats the package and the bug?
Feb 24 21:33:46 <cpscotti> desktop-cmd-exec
Feb 24 21:34:00 <nid0> the top flaw?
Feb 24 21:34:22 <pupnik_> lcuk: yes he did nice game play for such a new app.  i particularly like the high friction on the spaceship.  makes control easy
Feb 24 21:34:36 <Mousey> lol friction and spaceship in same sentence
Feb 24 21:34:38 * Mousey scoffs
Feb 24 21:34:55 <cpscotti> the "update policy" was flawed so that if the user selected "don't matter" for network presence, the command would execute when there was a connection event
Feb 24 21:35:09 <lcuk> do you wanna have a dig through here and see what looks uber cool? http://www.pygame.org/pcr/repository.php
Feb 24 21:35:18 <pupnik_> feel free to make a realistic game Mousey
Feb 24 21:35:31 <lcuk> and where we might need work on
Feb 24 21:35:52 <dmj7261> you're right, still sounds a bit off
Feb 24 21:35:55 <corecode> so do i need a class 4 sdhc card or will a class 2 do?
Feb 24 21:36:05 <pupnik_> nice lcuk : bookmarked
Feb 24 21:36:12 <dmj7261> Perhaps add some vibrato to the keyboard?
Feb 24 21:36:13 <nid0> just to store crap, class2's perfectly fine
Feb 24 21:36:14 <Arif_> corecode, read reviews
Feb 24 21:36:18 <matthew-> Any french people here?
Feb 24 21:36:20 <Mousey> ^_^
Feb 24 21:36:24 <Arif_> class=MINIMUM speed
Feb 24 21:36:33 <Arif_> some class 2s are better than class 6s
Feb 24 21:36:34 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 21:36:56 <pupnik_> lcuk: really, i need to focus more, not explore more
Feb 24 21:37:12 <cpscotti> nid0: I answered ur question up there but forgot to "link" u
Feb 24 21:37:38 <pupnik_> you saw what crap results i had on 770/810
Feb 24 21:37:41 <dmj7261> igagis: Would better samples be useful do you think?
Feb 24 21:37:52 <corecode> Arif_: i see
Feb 24 21:37:52 <lcuk> ok pupnik_ just pondering how some of them look
Feb 24 21:38:04 <Arif_> I have a class 2 kingston
Feb 24 21:38:08 <Arif_> I get 10+MB/s :P
Feb 24 21:38:17 <acidjazz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK4Rc0uuvIE&feature=player_embedded
Feb 24 21:38:27 <nid0> cpscotti - yeah frankly a minor flaw like that, fwiw my answer would be get it into extras and get the qa process going on the next version
Feb 24 21:38:47 <cpscotti> nid0: thanks a lot..
Feb 24 21:40:27 <pupnik_> lcuk: did you try kobodeluxe yet?  it is close to being one of the very best games for N900
Feb 24 21:41:03 <lcuk> pupnik_, ive not had any time to try out almost anything recently
Feb 24 21:41:15 <pupnik_> k, keep it in mind!
Feb 24 21:41:52 <lcuk> pupnik_, make a proper review posting about it
Feb 24 21:42:19 <lcuk> your knowledge of gaming surpasses most anyone on this platform :)
Feb 24 21:42:21 <corecode> so 32GB SDHC won't work?
Feb 24 21:42:54 <corecode> oh wait, that's not micro
Feb 24 21:42:59 <corecode> i think it is too late here
Feb 24 21:46:00 <tybollt> pwnguin; Is your friend the pwny here?
Feb 24 21:46:04 <dmj7261> bah...my violin bits don't sound that great
Feb 24 21:46:21 <dmj7261> igagis: I might be able to offer you some cello.
Feb 24 21:46:46 <sh0gun_> Hello, please is it possible to disable smilies in chat windows?
Feb 24 21:46:48 <pwnguin> there is no such nick pwny
Feb 24 21:46:54 <sh0gun_> And also remove smile icon?
Feb 24 21:47:18 <sh0gun_> On Maemo 5
Feb 24 21:47:19 <igagis> dmj7261: I don't actually use recorded samples
Feb 24 21:47:27 <igagis> dmj7261: I generate them
Feb 24 21:47:36 <dmj7261> what are the things in misc?
Feb 24 21:47:43 <timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: hey
Feb 24 21:47:51 <timeless_mbp> my mac won't let me connect to my wifi router
Feb 24 21:47:52 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, ho
Feb 24 21:47:53 <pwnguin> tybollt: oh, this is a joke. i misread
Feb 24 21:47:59 <pupnik> speaking of SDHC... http://www.rspace.eu/pandora/
Feb 24 21:48:02 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, have you tried hitting it with a stick?
Feb 24 21:48:08 <igagis> dmj7261: these are my expirements with synthesis in scilab
Feb 24 21:48:13 * GeneralAntilles is usually inclined to blame the router in those situations.
Feb 24 21:48:15 <dmj7261> Ah, I see
Feb 24 21:48:40 * GeneralAntilles is slowly starving to death in this chair.
Feb 24 21:48:42 <dmj7261> so those don't do anything?
Feb 24 21:48:51 <igagis> dmj7261: yep
Feb 24 21:49:00 <tybollt> pwnguin: ;)
Feb 24 21:49:29 <dmj7261> that explains a lot
Feb 24 21:49:47 <timeless_mbp> woohoo
Feb 24 21:50:41 <igagis> dmj7261: now I have to go to sleep, bye for now
Feb 24 21:50:47 <dmj7261> okay
Feb 24 21:51:25 <corecode> alright - any idea how i can "upload" sms to the n900?
Feb 24 21:53:02 * Texrat joining GeneralAntilles in slow starvation
Feb 24 21:53:03 <corecode> is that rtcom?
Feb 24 21:53:09 <corecode> oh yea
Feb 24 21:53:13 <corecode> starvation here as well
Feb 24 21:53:26 <corecode> and overcaffeination
Feb 24 21:53:52 <Arif_> corecode, "upload"?
Feb 24 21:54:57 <corecode> well, i found a way to extract the text messages from my e51
Feb 24 21:55:13 <Arif_> eh
Feb 24 21:55:16 <Arif_> just use transfer!
Feb 24 21:55:16 <corecode> now i want to push them to my new n900
Feb 24 21:55:21 <corecode> doesn't work!
Feb 24 21:55:22 <ShadowJK> this xchat notification thing is rofl
Feb 24 21:55:27 <Arif_> why not!
Feb 24 21:55:27 <corecode> messages don't get transfered
Feb 24 21:55:31 <ShadowJK> pocket going whirrr bleep whirrr all the time
Feb 24 21:55:33 <Arif_> it worked with my N95!
Feb 24 21:55:39 <corecode> only contacts+calendar
Feb 24 21:55:51 <Arif_> use nokia PC suite?
Feb 24 21:56:04 <corecode> i was told the pc suite can't upload messages
Feb 24 21:56:08 <corecode> to the n900
Feb 24 21:56:14 <Arif_> could be true
Feb 24 21:56:16 <Arif_> I don't know
Feb 24 21:56:26 <corecode> the ovi suite can't even connect to it
Feb 24 21:56:34 <Arif_> I haven't even tried PC suite with N900
Feb 24 21:56:37 <corecode> ok
Feb 24 21:56:40 <Arif_> I only have it to install sis files on the N95 :P
Feb 24 21:56:45 <corecode> that leaves me with...
Feb 24 21:56:57 <corecode> how do i push messages to the n900 :)
Feb 24 21:57:03 <Arif_> there was a thread on the forum
Feb 24 21:57:04 <corecode> they got to be stored somewhere
Feb 24 21:57:06 <Arif_> with a guide
Feb 24 21:57:13 <Arif_> about SMSes
Feb 24 21:57:14 <Arif_> :O
Feb 24 21:57:24 <sejo> evening all
Feb 24 21:57:29 <Arif_> ohaithar
Feb 24 21:57:32 <sejo> how to get PySide on my loptop?
Feb 24 21:57:35 <sejo> laptop?
Feb 24 21:57:44 <Arif_> ...don't look at me
Feb 24 21:58:57 <corecode> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354
Feb 24 21:59:18 <Arif_> yeah that
Feb 24 21:59:20 <Arif_> I haven't read it
Feb 24 21:59:25 <Arif_> so don't blame me if it doesn't work :P
Feb 24 22:01:45 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, no, might hit MeeGo-community with a proposal
Feb 24 22:01:52 <sejo> or how to get dvorak working?
Feb 24 22:02:12 <Arif_> zoutube is in need of a sort by upload date function
Feb 24 22:02:13 <acidjazz> no matter how advanced things are today computers are still a fucked up bukkake orgy of programs written by diff compansy and diff ppl w/ diff ideas of how they shoudl interact that just ends up being one big gangbang shit fest w/ a line going out the door and guess what .. you're last in line buddy.
Feb 24 22:02:41 <ds3> so write your own!
Feb 24 22:02:43 <lcuk> acidjazz, just like every town and city in the world then
Feb 24 22:02:44 <dneary> GeneralAntilles, Wrong channel?
Feb 24 22:03:01 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, #meego or #maemo, I'm too hungry to care at the moment. ;)
Feb 24 22:03:02 <dneary> GeneralAntilles, I guess not (seeing tekojo's on-topic comment)
Feb 24 22:03:19 <ds3> freenode needs to allow symlinks to channels ;)
Feb 24 22:03:23 * Arif_ thinks gewgle should write apps for the en nine hundred..
Feb 24 22:03:41 <dneary> GeneralAntilles, There are huge questions I have, and right now I don't know where to ask them
Feb 24 22:03:50 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, mailing lists?
Feb 24 22:03:51 <dneary> I might just start attacking meego-community
Feb 24 22:04:05 <dneary> I wasn't subscribed before - too much useless email
Feb 24 22:04:06 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, sounds like a plan.
Feb 24 22:04:18 <GeneralAntilles> MeeGo-community is focused
Feb 24 22:04:21 <GeneralAntilles> MeeGo-dev is not
Feb 24 22:04:45 <dneary> Odd, given that in maemo it's more or less the inverse
Feb 24 22:04:53 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, er, not?
Feb 24 22:05:04 <GeneralAntilles> maemo-developers is usually pretty spammy.
Feb 24 22:05:10 <GeneralAntilles> I find maemo-community focuses
Feb 24 22:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> maemo-users is just a cesspool.
Feb 24 22:05:18 <GeneralAntilles> s/focuses/focused/
Feb 24 22:05:22 <dneary> GeneralAntilles, Then again, it's not surprising since, for the moment with no code & no way to develop MeeGo apps, there are more questions than answer
Feb 24 22:05:28 <dneary> There's not much dev to do :)
Feb 24 22:05:44 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, mostly revolving around Moblin stuff right now.
Feb 24 22:06:38 <corecode> quite ugly code :/
Feb 24 22:07:43 <Arif_> corecode, where?
Feb 24 22:09:10 <pupnik> i cant bear to type that word
Feb 24 22:12:44 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, which?
Feb 24 22:12:59 <corecode> Arif_: the sms upload
Feb 24 22:13:00 <pupnik> the jar jar binks OS
Feb 24 22:13:31 <sejo> someone /8
Feb 24 22:13:34 <sejo> bleh
Feb 24 22:13:56 <sejo> someone fawiliar with a dvorak keyboard and trying to use dvorak in the sdk?
Feb 24 22:14:03 <Arif_> does it work or not =P
Feb 24 22:14:25 <sejo> pupnik: meego?
Feb 24 22:15:31 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, Fisher Price.
Feb 24 22:15:52 <GeneralAntilles> sejo, not sure how simple it is to change.
Feb 24 22:15:59 <GeneralAntilles> I just worked around it, personally.
Feb 24 22:17:02 <sejo> GeneralAntilles: how?
Feb 24 22:17:16 <sejo> GeneralAntilles: it,s pretty annoying when trying to test
Feb 24 22:17:25 <GeneralAntilles> sejo, by doing as little as possible in Xephyr. :D
Feb 24 22:17:30 <GeneralAntilles> Best to test on device anyway.
Feb 24 22:17:51 <sejo> GeneralAntilles: you connect it with sshfs?
Feb 24 22:18:02 <GeneralAntilles> sejo, yeah
Feb 24 22:18:07 <GeneralAntilles> There's an outline on the wiki, I think.
Feb 24 22:18:15 <sejo> it kinda drains the battery i think
Feb 24 22:18:22 <sejo> yeah know how to do it
Feb 24 22:18:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's not too terrible
Feb 24 22:18:47 <GeneralAntilles> besides, if you're sitting at a desk, surely there's power?
Feb 24 22:21:14 <timeless_mbp> Texrat:
Feb 24 22:21:33 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, there's a team somewhere inside which has a way to record videos of maemo5 for filing a bug
Feb 24 22:21:44 <timeless_mbp> it can also record user input
Feb 24 22:21:47 <sejo> GeneralAntilles: yeah in my couch but can connect it to my laptop
Feb 24 22:22:21 <sejo> can I safely replace the root password?
Feb 24 22:22:29 <pupnik> yes
Feb 24 22:22:34 <nid0> as long as you remember what you replace it with
Feb 24 22:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> sejo, OpenSSH makes you set it when you install.
Feb 24 22:23:03 <sejo> GeneralAntilles: yeah but kinda weary of that (I also have an iPhone *grin*)
Feb 24 22:24:02 <Texrat> timeless: can you get me tnhat info?
Feb 24 22:24:13 <Texrat> that*
Feb 24 22:24:48 <Texrat> also cool: epage (Ed Page) has developed best practice for log file capture/submission... very valuable for bug management
Feb 24 22:25:18 <Texrat> combine that with bugzilla wizard on device... :)
Feb 24 22:26:16 <andre__> hmm, bugzilla wizard...
Feb 24 22:26:33 <andre__> "install a local bugzilla in 2 minutes with 5 clicks"
Feb 24 22:26:37 <timeless_mbp> Texrat: i was supposed to get access for myself
Feb 24 22:26:45 <timeless_mbp> but it was behind an acl
Feb 24 22:26:55 <timeless_mbp> i'm not sure if they added me :(
Feb 24 22:26:57 <andre__> next step: distributed bug tracking management
Feb 24 22:27:28 <jo-erlend> Arif_, ah. I'm transferring files via wlan and scp. Perhaps I need to update tracker manually, or does it run periodically?
Feb 24 22:27:53 <timeless_mbp> andre__: have you tried deskzilla?
Feb 24 22:28:01 <andre__> nope
Feb 24 22:28:16 <pupnik> please vote up Kobodeluxe.  It is very ready!  http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kobodeluxe/0.5.1-5maemo6/
Feb 24 22:28:37 <Arif_> that's a good question
Feb 24 22:28:41 <Arif_> I dont' know
Feb 24 22:28:43 <andre__> "but please still test Kobodeluxe first before voting for it" ;-)
Feb 24 22:28:44 <Arif_> =D
Feb 24 22:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> I'm amazed at how useless the bugzilla programs are.
Feb 24 22:28:58 <andre__> "bugzilla programs"?
Feb 24 22:29:04 <andre__> what does that mean in this context?
Feb 24 22:29:19 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, desktop versions of the web interface.
Feb 24 22:29:36 <GeneralAntilles> i.e., deskzilla
Feb 24 22:29:42 <lupine_85> anyone know of a reasonable muc client for the n900?
Feb 24 22:29:44 <lupine_85> (jabber multi-user chat)
Feb 24 22:30:42 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Feb 24 22:30:50 <timeless_mbp> how do i figure out what my adc member id is?
Feb 24 22:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, don't they have a recovery option that you can use an email address on?
Feb 24 22:31:18 <sejo> hmm PySide is en what package?
Feb 24 22:31:27 <sejo> I installed the Python-QT4-Full
Feb 24 22:31:53 <Texrat> GeneralAntilles: did you check out my presentation yet?
Feb 24 22:32:08 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat, I looked at some of the pretty pictures
Feb 24 22:32:16 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat, but haven't managed to actually read any of it yet.
Feb 24 22:32:17 <Texrat> ...
Feb 24 22:32:19 * GeneralAntilles is eating now.
Feb 24 22:32:28 <Texrat> I kept verbiage short just for you
Feb 24 22:32:38 <GeneralAntilles> The Problem
Feb 24 22:32:41 <Texrat> my wife is puking now so me no eat
Feb 24 22:32:43 <GeneralAntilles> GeneralAntilles is a lazy bastard
Feb 24 22:32:50 <Texrat> flu
Feb 24 22:32:56 <GeneralAntilles> Ick
Feb 24 22:33:30 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat, don't like the title.
Feb 24 22:33:42 <Arif_> anyone in Dutchland with TMobile?
Feb 24 22:33:50 <GeneralAntilles> User Experience in the context seems like it might be something different than UX.
Feb 24 22:34:28 <Texrat> it is bigger than ux
Feb 24 22:34:31 <Texrat> so title works
Feb 24 22:34:35 <Texrat> READ : p
Feb 24 22:39:27 <Texrat> hey crashanddie
Feb 24 22:41:57 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat, seems pretty reasonable
Feb 24 22:42:06 <dmj7261> How did GSoC students for maemo get picked last year?
Feb 24 22:42:09 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat, although I feel a strong desire to murder you for using "he/she"
Feb 24 22:42:21 <GeneralAntilles> "they" is the pronoun you're looking for.
Feb 24 22:42:36 * Arif_ found another bug
Feb 24 22:42:38 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 22:42:45 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat, also, bold is basically undistinguishable on the last slide
Feb 24 22:42:49 <GeneralAntilles> Might switch to italics.
Feb 24 22:46:06 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: "they" is plural
Feb 24 22:46:36 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, this isn't 1920. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They#Usage
Feb 24 22:47:05 <luke-jr> GeneralAntilles: so grammatical errors become OK when Canada uses them?
Feb 24 22:47:18 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, English is a living language.
Feb 24 22:47:21 <dmj7261> many people accept a singular they
Feb 24 22:47:31 <GeneralAntilles> The vast majority of people accept it, I'd argue.
Feb 24 22:47:41 <GeneralAntilles> he/she is awkward and ridiculous
Feb 24 22:47:44 <dmj7261> Grammar nazi me accepts it
Feb 24 22:47:54 <GeneralAntilles> Either or tends to offend people
Feb 24 22:48:12 * GeneralAntilles finds feminine pronoun usage ridiculously PC.
Feb 24 22:48:16 <lupine_85> s/he is the way forward
Feb 24 22:48:24 <GeneralAntilles> lupine_85, kill. me. no.
Feb 24 22:48:29 <GeneralAntilles> s/no/now/
Feb 24 22:48:29 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: lupine_85, kill. me. now.
Feb 24 22:48:34 <lupine_85> hehe
Feb 24 22:48:39 <dmj7261> I'd argue that a singular they is the least objectionable option.
Feb 24 22:48:54 <GeneralAntilles> dmj7261, by far
Feb 24 22:48:55 <lupine_85> except it's not really singular
Feb 24 22:48:59 <luke-jr> 'he' works fine, kthx
Feb 24 22:49:00 <dmj7261> pronounced s slash he
Feb 24 22:49:06 <timeless_mbp> they, please
Feb 24 22:49:10 <GeneralAntilles> and judging by usage accepted by most people.
Feb 24 22:49:17 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, pfft.
Feb 24 22:49:27 <luke-jr> even spivak is better than "singular they"
Feb 24 22:49:44 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun
Feb 24 22:49:54 <lupine_85> i need mobile ipv6 on my n900!
Feb 24 22:50:13 <lupine_85> to go with a decent muc client ;)
Feb 24 22:50:35 <dmj7261> not "singular they", using "they" to refer to a single person whose gender is not important.
Feb 24 22:51:00 <GeneralAntilles> luke-jr, good lord that's horrifying.
Feb 24 22:51:34 <dmj7261> um...people won't adopt that, and will be confused if you use Ey
Feb 24 22:51:50 <andre__> being PC must be hard.
Feb 24 22:52:09 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, that it must.
Feb 24 22:52:58 <ds3> are you discriminating against androids by not using he/she/it?????? :D
Feb 24 22:53:24 <lupine_85> s/he/it
Feb 24 22:53:29 <lupine_85> hnnnnnnnnng
Feb 24 22:53:40 <nid0> don't androids generally have a gender?
Feb 24 22:53:52 <luke-jr> dmj7261: that's what "he" is for :)
Feb 24 22:54:00 <lupine_85> androgynes, normally
Feb 24 22:55:30 <Hukka> Well, you could check what the android dreams of. Like men usually dream of women, and vice versa.
Feb 24 22:55:51 * Texrat is amazed to find self agreeing with GeneralAntilles :p
Feb 24 22:56:08 <Texrat> he/she/they makes a good argument :p
Feb 24 22:56:12 <Texrat> or it
Feb 24 22:56:15 <nid0> what happens if you get a gay android, you'd get it's gender wrong then
Feb 24 22:56:20 <sejo> if I create a python tool how can I get the windo to slide from the bottom? it's not a dialog apparently (Qt)
Feb 24 23:01:14 <pupnik> Texrat: do you have hands on experience with android and palm pre?
Feb 24 23:04:18 <pupnik> please vote up Kobodeluxe.  It is very ready!  http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kobodeluxe/0.5.1-5maemo6/
Feb 24 23:06:39 <Texrat> pupnik: no sorry
Feb 24 23:07:03 <Texrat> only with Nokia devices
Feb 24 23:07:09 <dmj7261> I used each of those for about half an hour (droid and pre)
Feb 24 23:07:21 <Texrat> amazingly enough I'm not really a cell phone person ;)
Feb 24 23:07:31 <Texrat> but a gadget person to be sure
Feb 24 23:09:46 <pupnik> same here
Feb 24 23:10:55 <pupnik> i cou gladly leave off the phone but 3g internet on the go is a GAME changer
Feb 24 23:12:22 <Arif_> what's kobodeluxe
Feb 24 23:12:42 <pupnik> try it foo!
Feb 24 23:13:05 * Arif_ will!
Feb 24 23:13:07 <jebba900> hmm. Someone sent me an inline JPG to my gmail account but i see no way to save it with the mail program.
Feb 24 23:13:46 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/KoboDeluxe.png
Feb 24 23:13:57 <Arif_> how do you force the app manager to update its database?
Feb 24 23:14:28 <cehteh> eh .. my firewall triggered on strange phone-home attempts from the n900
Feb 24 23:14:29 <hcarrega> refresh
Feb 24 23:14:33 <frals> nice, got rated 4 stars with the comment "someone help me use this app i dont know how to"
Feb 24 23:14:45 <cehteh>  SRC=10.129.214.118 DST=147.243.176.2
Feb 24 23:14:46 <pupnik> what app frals ?
Feb 24 23:14:52 <frals> fapn
Feb 24 23:14:53 <Arif_> oh
Feb 24 23:14:56 <Arif_> there's a button for it
Feb 24 23:14:56 <Arif_> xD
Feb 24 23:14:59 <cehteh> ... thasts not its ip address
Feb 24 23:15:02 <frals> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/c7ad7cf607a711dfbb27fd5b60d788218821/
Feb 24 23:15:25 <Arif_> maybe the 4 stars were for the fact he could install it
Feb 24 23:15:55 <pupnik> i also dont understand it frals :)
Feb 24 23:16:32 <frals> you press "add", enter a name, and your done... it really isnt hard, i promise ;)
Feb 24 23:17:16 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Feb 24 23:17:30 <pupnik> when would i want to install it?  what am i missing now?
Feb 24 23:18:16 <cehteh> hehe .. i did that too
Feb 24 23:18:18 * Arif_ downloads the kobodeluxe deb manually...
Feb 24 23:18:33 <frals> if you dont have a need to add another gprs apn, you dont need the app ;)
Feb 24 23:18:52 <cehteh> frals: maybe give a *big* red notice "this was all, now look into your connection settings"
Feb 24 23:19:14 <frals> cehteh: its a big system_info_banner... wonder if i can make it red :P
Feb 24 23:19:35 <Arif_> supply a red theme with it :P
Feb 24 23:19:36 <cehteh> i used it only once some weeks ago, cant remember
Feb 24 23:20:04 * Arif_ thinks the yellow bars are kinda out of place in the dark sky theme
Feb 24 23:21:48 <shamus> is it me or dose the n800 batery meater lie a lot i was just using it today and had the device hard crash on me and on rebood it sayed it had less then an hours charge left yet when i turnede i back off and letr it sit for a while on powering back up it was back to a 98% charge
Feb 24 23:22:25 <Arif_> "A hours of charge"
Feb 24 23:23:12 <shamus> rughly one hours worth
Feb 24 23:23:20 <shamus> oh what that was tand by
Feb 24 23:23:29 <shamus> stand by
Feb 24 23:23:41 <shamus> ugh i stink at explning stuff
Feb 24 23:24:11 <shamus> but yah the batery demion seams to thorow a fuss at times
Feb 24 23:24:48 <till-> maybe the calculation was based on the power consumption during the reboot
Feb 24 23:24:55 <shamus> prehaps
Feb 24 23:25:18 <shamus> yah boot realy zaps power like mad
Feb 24 23:25:36 <till-> and were you in a different environment?
Feb 24 23:25:51 <shamus> was indors the full time
Feb 24 23:26:33 <till-> cold temperature has great effect on the battery
Feb 24 23:26:43 <till-> at least in case of my n80ß
Feb 24 23:26:47 <till-> *n800
Feb 24 23:26:51 <shamus> was just odd to see the bater plumit that fast
Feb 24 23:27:21 <shamus> when from over 98.9 to about 10% and back
Feb 24 23:28:06 <shamus> must have been the cold
Feb 24 23:28:16 <till-> the age of the battery is also important
Feb 24 23:28:30 <till-> mine is 2,5 years or so and drops capcity quiet fast
Feb 24 23:28:47 <Arif_> ok..
Feb 24 23:28:53 <shamus> i just got the device about a month back but it was oem so the batery might be old
Feb 24 23:29:02 <Arif_> how do I control kobo deluxe with the keypad!
Feb 24 23:29:44 <till-> the battery of my notebook is now 3,7 years old and lasts 10 minutes or so
Feb 24 23:29:46 <pupnik> dunno.  acellerometer sucks, right?  complain about that please :)
Feb 24 23:29:52 <Arif_> oh
Feb 24 23:29:58 <Arif_> and the options menu is nearly impossible to read
Feb 24 23:30:00 <Arif_> even on TV out
Feb 24 23:30:23 <pupnik> i use 'mouse' mode with stylus
Feb 24 23:31:37 <shamus> maby i need a new batery as im lucky if i get a  day of stanby
Feb 24 23:31:49 <shamus> that or i have roge processes
Feb 24 23:31:52 <till-> me too
Feb 24 23:31:58 <Arif_> me not
Feb 24 23:32:02 <Arif_> :(
Feb 24 23:32:32 <pupnik> install cpumem applet to see your cpu use
Feb 24 23:33:32 <shamus> thestatus bar cpu app?
Feb 24 23:33:41 <pupnik> yea
Feb 24 23:34:01 <pupnik> if you have open websites sucking cpu that will show you
Feb 24 23:34:07 * Arif_ commented on kobo deluxe :)
Feb 24 23:34:28 <pupnik> thx Arif_
Feb 24 23:34:40 <Arif_> it's a fun game though
Feb 24 23:34:44 <Arif_> I don't know what the objective is yet
Feb 24 23:34:45 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 23:34:55 <Arif_> I just fly around shooting thingymajigs
Feb 24 23:34:56 <shamus> just idaling on home with only the defult click up anddisconected from wifii
Feb 24 23:35:22 <pupnik> destroy the bases
Feb 24 23:35:49 <pupnik> gets challenging around level 6
Feb 24 23:36:01 <shamus> wtf python is runging in the backgroung?
Feb 24 23:36:16 <Arif_> I found out today that a lot of widgets have editable settings if you go to edit desktop mode!
Feb 24 23:36:53 <Arif_> too bad the N900 is so buggy all widgets vanish if you poke in that mode long enough :P
Feb 24 23:37:59 <cpscotti> Arif_: pushin it to the extremes? never heard of THIS bug.. lol
Feb 24 23:37:59 <ScribbleJ> I dunno about a lot.
Feb 24 23:38:07 <Arif_> no
Feb 24 23:38:20 <Arif_> I was just moving and poking around my icons and widgets
Feb 24 23:38:35 <Arif_> and then they all disappeared and I had to re add them :P
Feb 24 23:39:16 <GAN900> Arif_, generally crashes like that are caused by the widgets themselves.
Feb 24 23:39:57 <ShadowJK> in the past, those kinds of crashes took down alot more than just the widgets :)
Feb 24 23:40:12 <Arif_> the theme went away too? :D
Feb 24 23:46:39 <kakashi_> Hi
Feb 24 23:46:45 <kakashi_> any thoughts on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=545107#post545107 ?
Feb 24 23:47:32 <SpeedEvil> kakashi_: it is a huge project.
Feb 24 23:47:56 <kakashi_> SpeedEvil: it is
Feb 24 23:47:56 <SpeedEvil> All of the existing opensource solutions basically suck.
Feb 24 23:48:41 <kakashi_> agreed, But I was actually looking if I could get my hands on some Google API
Feb 24 23:49:50 <kakashi_> In android, they have something called speech class in Java (which is deprecated)
Feb 24 23:50:23 <kakashi_> I am still not aware how google does it there
Feb 24 23:50:26 <SpeedEvil> I would question if any service promoted for android will continue to function if it's used.
Feb 24 23:50:38 <SpeedEvil> it's technically doable.
Feb 24 23:50:51 <kakashi_> exaclty
Feb 24 23:50:52 <SpeedEvil> Dragon Dictate et al ran on similar class of processor.
Feb 24 23:51:24 <SpeedEvil> the problem is that it's probably several tens of millions of dollars of effort to get it working.
Feb 24 23:51:54 <kakashi_> hmm.... well, a native app may cost so much
Feb 24 23:52:18 <cpscotti> Arif_: (as said) generally it is a prob in one of your widgets.. anyone developing widgets KNOWs that.. lol
Feb 24 23:52:20 <kakashi_> but something like an iPhone voice search app should be easy
Feb 24 23:52:32 <SpeedEvil> kakashi_: what do you mean?
Feb 24 23:52:36 <Arif_> I don't develop widgets :P
Feb 24 23:53:11 <kakashi_> SpeedEvil: I mean, the voice search app provided by google for iPhone, should be using some API
Feb 24 23:53:35 <SpeedEvil> kakashi_: You're assuming they won't take measures to stop it working.
Feb 24 23:53:37 <luke-jr> I have never seen any half-decent speech-to-text...
Feb 24 23:53:56 <luke-jr> kakashi_: voice search is very different from speech-to-text
Feb 24 23:54:03 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: never seen dragon dictate/viavoice?
Feb 24 23:54:04 <Arif_> soI can blame the developer of shake2control, ip showing thingymajig, fmtx widget?
Feb 24 23:54:04 <kakashi_> hmm...  I never thought about the "evil" part of google
Feb 24 23:54:05 <Arif_> ;P
Feb 24 23:54:09 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: nope
Feb 24 23:54:10 <shamus> spech to text is a long way for being reliable
Feb 24 23:54:50 <Arif_> oh does someone remember the voice music search in one of those NOkia Xpresmusic phones?
Feb 24 23:54:54 <Arif_> that was terrible! :D
Feb 24 23:55:05 <Arif_> it never worked xD
Feb 24 23:55:23 <luke-jr> speech search is logically far easier than speech-to-text
Feb 24 23:55:31 <luke-jr> for searching, you're telling it what to look for
Feb 24 23:55:34 <cpscotti> shamus: exaclty!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kDcUEDfmY
Feb 24 23:55:41 <luke-jr> for the latter, it needs to guess more or less randomly
Feb 24 23:55:47 <shamus> yep
Feb 24 23:55:54 <Arif_> Win Vista/7 have it too
Feb 24 23:55:56 <Arif_> it sometimes works :P
Feb 24 23:56:13 <shamus> sometimes ;-)
Feb 24 23:56:19 <nid0> win7's speech command/search works really well for me
Feb 24 23:56:33 <nid0> the speech to text obviously is rather more iffy
Feb 24 23:57:28 <Arif_> Maemo team should fix typing search first though :P
Feb 24 23:57:34 <cpscotti> win7? that's so... soo...... well.. I believed for some time that I would never see one of it's user here
Feb 24 23:57:42 <kakashi_> how do those iPhone apps, which capture the tune and tell the name of the song work?
Feb 24 23:57:47 <cpscotti> tell me it is at your job.. where you don't have a choice!
Feb 24 23:57:59 <nid0> you what?
Feb 24 23:58:00 <cpscotti> *its
Feb 24 23:58:07 <Arif_> cpscotti, stop being so emo
Feb 24 23:58:19 <nid0> why the win7 bashing, it's a perfectly good os
Feb 24 23:58:35 <cpscotti> Arif_: ok.. f*ck anyway
Feb 24 23:58:37 <Arif_> kakashi_, you mean like shazam ID on symbian?
Feb 24 23:58:38 <shamus> song rteconition works by having a larg datables to comparre the audio to
Feb 24 23:58:55 <Arif_> that worked quite well :O
Feb 24 23:59:00 <Arif_> cpscotti,
Feb 24 23:59:02 <Arif_> Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate (Build #7600)
Feb 24 23:59:03 <Arif_> :D
Feb 24 23:59:19 <nid0> ms conned you out of the cost of ultimate, huh
Feb 24 23:59:20 <nid0> unlucky
Feb 24 23:59:28 <Arif_> cost?
Feb 24 23:59:29 <cpscotti> Os: ubuntu 9.10, vista at work coz I have no choice..
Feb 24 23:59:30 <Arif_> uh
Feb 24 23:59:31 <Arif_> sure
Feb 24 23:59:34 <Arif_> yeah cost!
Feb 24 23:59:35 <Arif_> :P
Feb 24 23:59:41 * Arif_ whistles
Feb 24 23:59:46 <kakashi_>  but there the pattern is the same eh? (in case of song recognition)
Feb 24 23:59:55 <nid0> ill rephrase
Feb 25 00:00:05 <nid0> you took the effort of ripping off an ultimate license huh
Feb 25 00:00:07 <nid0> unlucky
Feb 25 00:00:12 <Arif_> yeah
Feb 25 00:00:19 <Arif_> it was the easiest to steal
Feb 25 00:00:26 <redeeman> you actually stole it?
Feb 25 00:00:31 <redeeman> or did you just pirate it?
Feb 25 00:00:39 <Arif_> pirating=stealing
Feb 25 00:00:41 <redeeman> no
Feb 25 00:00:44 <Arif_> I pirated it
Feb 25 00:00:46 <redeeman> stealing is when you take it from them
Feb 25 00:00:47 <nid0> cant even see why there is an ultimate edition tbh
Feb 25 00:00:49 <redeeman> they no longer have it then
Feb 25 00:00:52 <nid0> and piracy != theft
Feb 25 00:00:57 <sar3th> Arif_: who didn't
Feb 25 00:01:08 <Arif_> people who bought a new PC didn't
Feb 25 00:01:10 <redeeman> people that don't use crap software? :P
Feb 25 00:01:13 <Arif_> they got home premium
Feb 25 00:01:22 <sar3th> they suck :P
Feb 25 00:01:24 <Arif_> lol
Feb 25 00:01:27 <cpscotti> lol funny discussion.... even today !! http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/1812244/Use-Open-Source-Then-Youre-a-Pirate
Feb 25 00:01:43 <sar3th> and i was talking about ultimate edition ^^
Feb 25 00:01:44 <Arif_> I'd never want loonix on my desktop
Feb 25 00:01:50 <Arif_> it's too much work getting it to work :P
Feb 25 00:01:53 <redeeman> lol
Feb 25 00:02:06 <SpeedEvil> Can we not do the OS wars thing, it's boring.
Feb 25 00:02:09 <cpscotti> Arif_: you were right.. back in 2005
Feb 25 00:02:13 <redeeman> i spend less time administrating my system than you do yours :P
Feb 25 00:02:31 <redeeman> 2005? linux has been by far the most friendly since ~2001-ish
Feb 25 00:02:37 <dmj7261> I use Linux cause it's easier
Feb 25 00:03:21 <cpscotti> dmj7261: me too.. if you try installing both ANY windows and a modern linux distro in a new (virgin) box I'm pretty sure you'll change your opnion
Feb 25 00:03:29 <dmj7261> I hate spending an hour installing hardware that takes 1 second to install on windows.
Feb 25 00:03:46 <dmj7261> wait
Feb 25 00:03:57 <cpscotti> just the idea of searching through those crap DVDs/CDs to search for drivers sucks
Feb 25 00:04:03 <nid0> er
Feb 25 00:04:04 <dmj7261> I reversed that...1 hour to install on windows 1 second on linux
Feb 25 00:04:04 <nid0> wat?
Feb 25 00:04:06 <Arif_> get my tv card working and then tell me loonix is easy
Feb 25 00:04:08 <lcuk> i still prefer the xp window manager over other desktop managers.  but whenever im in windows now i long for a decent console
Feb 25 00:04:09 <Arif_> :*
Feb 25 00:04:09 <cpscotti> dmj7261: ... ueaheuahealol
Feb 25 00:04:10 <cpscotti> lol
Feb 25 00:04:11 <Arif_> :(
Feb 25 00:04:15 <nid0> whats the last ms operating system you used, ME?
Feb 25 00:04:20 <redeeman> Arif_: you get my tv card working in winblows
Feb 25 00:04:21 <lcuk> and that as a consolephobe is surprising
Feb 25 00:04:23 <redeeman> which is impossible
Feb 25 00:04:35 <kakashi_> SpeedEvil: btw, if google is building an app for iPhone for the purpose of speech-to-text (voice search) won't they still keep the doors open?
Feb 25 00:04:46 <Arif_> redeeman which card is that
Feb 25 00:04:47 <Arif_> :D
Feb 25 00:04:52 <redeeman> noname saa7134 based
Feb 25 00:05:02 <cpscotti> "noname"
Feb 25 00:05:04 <cpscotti> lol
Feb 25 00:05:14 <redeeman> i also have a dvb-t card which only supports mpeg2 stations on winblows
Feb 25 00:05:15 * Arif_ has a TechnoTrend S2-3200
Feb 25 00:05:19 <pupnik> gles panning would be nice for exult
Feb 25 00:05:19 <redeeman> but i can tune into mpeg4 stations on linux
Feb 25 00:05:33 <Arif_> have you tried DVBViewer =P
Feb 25 00:05:39 <redeeman> which isn't really a card, since its usb
Feb 25 00:05:44 * till- is using a saa7134 card on kubuntu and windows xp
Feb 25 00:05:51 <SpeedEvil> kakashi_: maybe. It depends on their buisness case.
Feb 25 00:05:52 <dmj7261> Also, the n900 is much more painful to tether on windows than linux.
Feb 25 00:06:04 <redeeman> i tried the thing that comes with it, which is grossly inferior to kaffeine on linux
Feb 25 00:06:13 <SpeedEvil> kakashi_: they may decide that they don't want to support the n900 platform, only iphone.
Feb 25 00:06:17 <redeeman> till-: yes, my brothers different saa7134 works on winblows, mine does not
Feb 25 00:06:19 <Arif_> I couldn't get my CI addon to work on linux :(
Feb 25 00:06:31 <Arif_> then I gave up:D
Feb 25 00:06:51 <till-> my dec-3000s usb dvb-s box only works under winxp
Feb 25 00:06:56 <till-> damn closed source
Feb 25 00:07:09 <Arif_> hehe
Feb 25 00:07:09 <redeeman> yes... some crap hardware exists
Feb 25 00:07:24 <till-> but the only 12v dvb-s with usb and ci-slot
Feb 25 00:07:28 <redeeman> ofcourse that doesn't change the fact that linux has support for more than twice the devices windows does
Feb 25 00:07:42 <cpscotti> redeeman: =]
Feb 25 00:07:45 <cpscotti> lol
Feb 25 00:07:47 <kakashi_> SpeedEvil: Native systems will anyway suck right, I mean there is no point in optimising sphinx or any of its family members
Feb 25 00:07:48 <Arif_> Linux is awesome if you bother tinkering with it
Feb 25 00:07:49 <Arif_> =D
Feb 25 00:07:50 <dmj7261> I have a tv tuner somewhere that only works under winxp if you can find the driver cd (non online) and nowhere else
Feb 25 00:08:04 <till-> windows may have more drivers available, but the linux ones are mostly build into the kernel
Feb 25 00:08:12 <till-> which i prefer :)
Feb 25 00:08:19 <dmj7261> I like the fact that linux bundles all the drivers
Feb 25 00:08:24 <Arif_> till-, have you considered the TT 3650 :O
Feb 25 00:08:26 <dmj7261> ...means stuff just works
Feb 25 00:08:44 <cpscotti> till-: Yuup! and getting drivers for windows is a crazy-suicide-downloadspyware-nightmare
Feb 25 00:08:50 <dmj7261> WIndows makes you go looking for random executables
Feb 25 00:09:05 <nid0> seriously you guys, last windows version you used really was ME wasnt it?
Feb 25 00:09:07 <Arif_> Windows makes you download drivers from com.tw sites at 500B/s
Feb 25 00:09:12 <till-> Arif_ too expensive for my case :)
Feb 25 00:09:18 <lcuk> linux doesnt, but it makes you sacrifice firstborn by entering 3 pages of mystic runes
Feb 25 00:09:26 <dmj7261> I've got an xp box
Feb 25 00:09:27 <kakashi_> the OS wars are never going to end
Feb 25 00:09:31 <kakashi_> :)
Feb 25 00:09:34 <dmj7261> ...it's sitting unused
Feb 25 00:09:38 <lcuk> sure they will kakashi_
Feb 25 00:09:40 <Arif_> Linux makes you up and downgrade 50 dependancies that don't work
Feb 25 00:09:41 <Arif_> :p
Feb 25 00:09:41 <cpscotti> nid0: I use vista at work. installing vista without the TWO driver's DVD on my DELL laptop IS impossible
Feb 25 00:09:51 <nid0> ah so you have an ms operating system thats a mere 8 years old. how hot were linux distros back then?
Feb 25 00:10:07 <redeeman> nid0: still supporting more hardware directly
Feb 25 00:10:08 <till-> apt/dpkg does that for me :)
Feb 25 00:10:19 <dmj7261> ...and I have access to legit win 7, but it's been sitting there for a long time not installed.
Feb 25 00:10:21 <cpscotti> nid0: vista, OOTB, goes into a 640x480 resolution from the last millennium
Feb 25 00:10:23 <nid0> really really not
Feb 25 00:10:23 <Arif_> yeah untill it screws up and refuses to continue
Feb 25 00:10:24 <Arif_> XD
Feb 25 00:10:24 <redeeman> hell, up until 3 years ago you had to use FLOPPIES or modified cd's to get microsofts OS onto a sata drive
Feb 25 00:11:04 <till-> i use ubuntu and windows xp/7, ubuntu for internet, work, media and win for games
Feb 25 00:11:09 * Arif_ throws the loonix penguin out of the window
Feb 25 00:11:09 <cpscotti> redeeman: lol!!!  those funny truths are really awesome!
Feb 25 00:11:20 <nid0> vista does that if you have some graphics card thats also from the last millenium sure. both vista (which i dont use) and win7 (which I do) on this system fires up *first boot* with both of my screens at their native 1680x1050 each
Feb 25 00:11:27 <nid0> damned if I can get any nix distro to do that
Feb 25 00:11:41 <lcuk> amiga workbench will return :)
Feb 25 00:11:45 <dmj7261> try mine?
Feb 25 00:11:53 <cpscotti> dmj7261: 2x
Feb 25 00:11:54 <lcuk> and you bitches will know its the one true os
Feb 25 00:11:56 <nid0> I undoubtedly have
Feb 25 00:11:57 <lcuk> :p
Feb 25 00:12:02 <till-> ubuntu fired my screen at 1920x1200 :)
Feb 25 00:12:13 <nid0> sure, itll fire one screen up at native res
Feb 25 00:12:18 <cpscotti> well.. I feel better now after this whole discussion.. I have some friends.. but ok.. there are two worlds...
Feb 25 00:12:19 <dmj7261> oh...yeah, I might need to use the gui to activate the second.
Feb 25 00:12:24 <nid0> and on a base install the 2nd one will sit there black.
Feb 25 00:12:25 <Arif_> what have I started... :P
Feb 25 00:12:40 <dmj7261> ...so add about a minute.
Feb 25 00:12:42 <pupnik> lcuk: will you test amiga emu if i get sound working?
Feb 25 00:12:45 <lcuk> Arif_, we shall look back on this day and know
Feb 25 00:12:49 <nid0> minute more than win7 needs
Feb 25 00:12:56 <till-> both have their pros and cons .. use what suit your needs ... :)
Feb 25 00:13:00 <Arif_> :)
Feb 25 00:13:04 <till-> done
Feb 25 00:13:15 <Arif_> OSX FTW
Feb 25 00:13:18 <lcuk> pupnik, if you mke the modifications to what im working on
Feb 25 00:13:26 <pupnik> hey it's till- :)
Feb 25 00:13:29 <Arif_> it only costs an arm and a leg, and a kidney to upgrade!
Feb 25 00:13:41 <cpscotti> some people think that we use linux because it is free or because it is open source.. today I would say that I use it just because it fits best my needs =]
Feb 25 00:13:45 <pupnik> hey it's till- :)
Feb 25 00:13:49 <pupnik> you got an amiga emu in the works lcuk ?
Feb 25 00:13:50 <dmj7261> ...yeah, but I don't have to screw with sound card drivers in exchange for that minute.
Feb 25 00:14:02 <nid0> yet you seem to deride people for whom windows fits better cpscotti. nice attitude
Feb 25 00:14:10 <nid0> sound card drivers? wtf are they
Feb 25 00:14:18 <dmj7261> I use it for many reasons, including the FOSSiness, but the fact that it works very well is important
Feb 25 00:14:22 <lcuk> glol pupnik
Feb 25 00:14:24 <lcuk> no
Feb 25 00:14:35 <lcuk> but it would be awesome
Feb 25 00:14:41 <lcuk> to pull back amiga native screens
Feb 25 00:14:41 <Arif_> sound cards needed drivers back in Win98 :(
Feb 25 00:14:46 <dmj7261> I wouldn't recommend Linux as the main OS for a gamer or video editor.
Feb 25 00:14:48 <cpscotti> nid0: you are right.. but anyway.. this is IRC.. there is always those moments when you want to feel stupid and nazi
Feb 25 00:14:55 <nid0> number of drivers needing any form of manual installation on this hardware on first boot win7 = 0
Feb 25 00:16:02 * Arif_ hands nid0 a driver cd
Feb 25 00:16:06 <nid0> nevarh!
Feb 25 00:16:12 <Arif_> but but
Feb 25 00:16:20 <mtd> anyone having issues with telepathy-haze (specifically AIM / Yahoo) where the account gets disconnected and numeric fields in the account's advanced settings become corrupted (blank or weird huge negative numbers)?
Feb 25 00:16:20 <Arif_> you need teh tv card driv0rz!
Feb 25 00:16:28 <mtd> (n900)
Feb 25 00:16:34 <nid0> notrly, i have an actual real proper tv right there <
Feb 25 00:16:53 <Arif_> my proper TV doesn't have a CI slot
Feb 25 00:16:59 <Arif_> o.O
Feb 25 00:17:41 <Arif_> hey wait
Feb 25 00:17:46 <Arif_> my PC is connected to my TV!
Feb 25 00:51:11 <pupnik> http://www.geekosystem.com/cryptome-leaks-microsofts-online-surveillance-guide-ms-demands-takedown
Feb 25 00:51:54 <Arif_> hmm
Feb 25 00:52:28 <Arif_> I wonder what all those thingies in alsamixer do...
Feb 25 00:56:47 <nid0> hm, anyone hot with qtirreco?
Feb 25 00:57:19 <Arif_> yeah, it doesn't work for me
Feb 25 00:57:19 <Arif_> :p
Feb 25 00:57:36 <nid0> kinda ditto, my device doesnt seem to be transmitting an ir signal at all
Feb 25 00:57:39 <nid0> :\
Feb 25 00:57:52 <Arif_> nothing happens when I poke my added buttons
Feb 25 00:58:00 <Arif_> I tried all 3 remotes available for my device
Feb 25 00:58:06 <pwnguin> every tv ive come across hasnt been in the db =(
Feb 25 00:58:27 <SpeedEvil> Do you have another webcam?
Feb 25 00:58:29 <Arif_> TechnoTrend S2-3200 has 3 remotes of which all 3 don't work for me :D
Feb 25 00:58:30 <nid0> there are plenty of similar remotes to mine (though none of my exact ones exist) and I can happily record it
Feb 25 00:58:31 <SpeedEvil> point it at IR device
Feb 25 00:58:41 <nid0> but I get no output from the n900 atall in the first place
Feb 25 00:59:02 <SpeedEvil> nid0: point camera at n900 you should be able to see IR
Feb 25 00:59:05 <nid0> did
Feb 25 00:59:06 <nid0> cant
Feb 25 00:59:16 <nid0> all other remotes shine a blue light into my camera as expected
Feb 25 00:59:18 <nid0> n900 = nothing
Feb 25 00:59:28 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
Feb 25 00:59:39 <SpeedEvil> I would suggest learning to juggle.
Feb 25 00:59:58 <Arif_> get a real remote ;)
Feb 25 01:00:00 <nid0> im a pretty good juggler, but a handy touchscreen remote would be nice :(
Feb 25 01:00:15 <dmj7261> how do you make (qt?)irreco work with non-preconfigured tvs?
Feb 25 01:00:15 <Arif_> like the logitech harmony
Feb 25 01:00:16 <Arif_> ;P
Feb 25 01:00:29 <SpeedEvil> Any error messages from the IR?
Feb 25 01:00:33 <SpeedEvil> in dmesg?
Feb 25 01:00:52 <nid0> dmj7261, either try something similar to your remote, or record a remote with another irda device, or look up the spec sheet of your remote if it exists, then generate a config file based on it
Feb 25 01:01:26 <dmj7261> n900 itself can't detect other remote's output, can it?
Feb 25 01:02:01 <nid0> dmesg outputs nothing atall relating to ir when I start up / try to use qtirreco
Feb 25 01:02:12 <nid0> lircd is running tho
Feb 25 01:02:29 <nid0> dmj7261 no, you need a device that supports irda and appropriate capture software
Feb 25 01:03:22 <lcuk> cpscotti, first time in london?
Feb 25 01:03:52 <cpscotti> lcuk: second..
Feb 25 01:03:56 <lcuk> heh
Feb 25 01:04:02 <cpscotti> I went there at the end of jan also
Feb 25 01:04:14 <lcuk> the location you chose is great for a load of people, right between the stations
Feb 25 01:04:28 <lcuk> whether anyone manages to arrive is a different issue
Feb 25 01:04:31 <cpscotti> yep... I imagined..
Feb 25 01:05:06 <lcuk> shall need to give people a bit more warning
Feb 25 01:05:10 <cpscotti> well.. I picked it also because last time I was there and it was nice
Feb 25 01:05:31 <cpscotti> (and near the hostel I'm staying..)
Feb 25 01:05:42 <cpscotti> well. what kind of warning... any ideas?
Feb 25 01:06:01 <lcuk> i dunno
Feb 25 01:06:13 <lcuk> if you wanted a load of people to travel to centre of london who dont normally
Feb 25 01:07:03 <cpscotti> should we start a new thread at talk?
Feb 25 01:07:10 <ShadowJK> lol, this is pretty awesome, "Created 02/25/10 03:06:15, Source IP: 192.168.42.16"
Feb 25 01:07:20 * ShadowJK inadvertedly manages to spoof his LAN ip onto maemo.org
Feb 25 01:08:17 <lcuk> cpscotti, ?
Feb 25 01:08:46 <lcuk> im just saying at least for me getting to london needs more than a days notice ;)
Feb 25 01:10:04 <cpscotti> ahhaha
Feb 25 01:10:10 <cpscotti> lcuk: yeh yeh.. I imagined that..
Feb 25 01:10:19 <cpscotti> the prob is that I just got the idea today..
Feb 25 01:10:29 * lcuk nods
Feb 25 01:10:32 <lcuk> how long you over for
Feb 25 01:10:44 <cpscotti> only until monday..
Feb 25 01:11:02 <lcuk> and if you can get a massive roll of bubble wrap we could thoroughly cover our n900s and have the n900fly competition to beat all
Feb 25 01:11:18 <cpscotti> (my idea is that is some poeple answer there, we do something.. otherwise we just postpone it)
Feb 25 01:11:27 <cpscotti> Lol
Feb 25 01:11:49 <lcuk> i got 3.51m by putting my 900 inside rolled up sleeping bag
Feb 25 01:11:50 <lcuk> :D
Feb 25 01:11:51 <cpscotti> that would be something *wrong*
Feb 25 01:12:02 <cpscotti> really.. I heard about people doing that..
Feb 25 01:12:05 <cpscotti> it's damn funny
Feb 25 01:12:18 <cpscotti> I just got 1.82 and decided it is enough..
Feb 25 01:12:24 <lcuk> lol
Feb 25 01:12:35 <lcuk> i stopped natively throwing mine when i banged it on the ceiling
Feb 25 01:12:56 <cpscotti> lol!! rofl!
Feb 25 01:13:04 <lcuk> its a bit trigger happy
Feb 25 01:13:12 <cpscotti> ye..
Feb 25 01:13:16 <lcuk> most times when i catch it it reacts as if it had a 0.01s flight
Feb 25 01:13:26 <cpscotti> I really think the app could use some "artwork" and all.. for the fun..
Feb 25 01:13:27 <lcuk> i was doing some tracing with my graphing version
Feb 25 01:13:39 <cpscotti> ahh.. yes.. that is also a problem..
Feb 25 01:13:47 <lcuk> its quite easy
Feb 25 01:13:52 <cpscotti> it is VERY simple to solve..
Feb 25 01:13:59 <lcuk> ive got a seismograph that scrolls amazingly well
Feb 25 01:14:45 <cpscotti> I feel a little bit ashamed of that "detail" but I'm always more interested in something else.. loo
Feb 25 01:14:46 <cpscotti> l
Feb 25 01:15:07 <lcuk> yeah
Feb 25 01:15:17 <lcuk> tis ok, the idea is there
Feb 25 01:15:23 <lcuk> and it caught imagination by being daring
Feb 25 01:15:55 <lcuk> we need sound effects
Feb 25 01:16:01 <lcuk> when you catch it
Feb 25 01:16:07 <lcuk> after a long one it should ouch
Feb 25 01:16:30 <cpscotti> yep.. and it should give some warning if the impact was too bad
Feb 25 01:16:37 <lcuk> hah
Feb 25 01:16:41 <cpscotti> takinf pics on the air..
Feb 25 01:16:44 <lcuk> i think the pieces on the floor will tell you that
Feb 25 01:16:51 <lcuk> yeah i saw the thread
Feb 25 01:17:09 <lcuk> streaming video would be simplest as was noted
Feb 25 01:17:15 <cpscotti> well.. the accelerometer only gets until 2.3
Feb 25 01:17:56 <cpscotti> we could establish a "too hard but not destructive" windows
Feb 25 01:18:19 <lcuk> n900 juggling would be feasible
Feb 25 01:19:03 <lcuk> anyway, i have stuff to get on with \o
Feb 25 01:19:13 <lcuk> have a safe trip tomorrow, and if people turn up, great
Feb 25 01:19:17 <cpscotti> thnaks..
Feb 25 01:19:29 <cpscotti> have fun there
Feb 25 01:19:33 <cpscotti> see ya sometime
Feb 25 01:25:02 <ptl> microsoft and its evil acts again: http://www.geekosystem.com/cryptome-leaks-microsofts-online-surveillance-guide-ms-demands-takedown
Feb 25 01:25:54 <orbarron> hello all: just a quick question... does meamo5 graphic acceleration depend on X11?
Feb 25 01:26:44 <dmj7261> when would the xserver be disabled?
Feb 25 01:27:36 <Guest22556> hello
Feb 25 02:10:35 <Felipe_TS> cpscotti
Feb 25 02:10:41 <Felipe_TS> ping?
Feb 25 02:11:00 <cpscotti> Felipe_TS: ahoy!
Feb 25 02:11:17 <Felipe_TS> que pasa?
Feb 25 02:12:09 <cpscotti> haha... lol
Feb 25 02:12:30 <Felipe_TS> ok
Feb 25 02:12:47 <Felipe_TS> remember when the mirc was a huge hit?
Feb 25 02:12:51 <Felipe_TS> i miss those times
Feb 25 02:14:04 <cpscotti> well.. it is in fact! a hit for those who see beyond..
Feb 25 02:14:49 <Felipe_TS> that´s truth
Feb 25 02:38:22 <Wild_Doogy> Hey, what video format should I convert to for putting a movie on my N900?
Feb 25 02:55:00 <cehteh> yay ... led pattern editor
Feb 25 02:57:48 <Andrewfblack> joppu, Ping
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