**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 25 02:59:58 2010 Feb 25 03:52:20 is there a calling card software? Feb 25 03:54:05 what's a calling card software? Feb 25 03:56:39 as in, a software where you can store a calling card details and it automatically dials the combination and the phone number from the address book Feb 25 03:57:00 instead of, either changing every entry, or trying to enter the calling card details everytime Feb 25 03:58:28 I see Feb 25 03:58:46 they had applications (albeit paid) for the symbian os Feb 25 03:58:56 well, there were* Feb 25 03:59:55 are calling cards still common? i never used one Feb 25 04:00:17 well, to call international destination from your phone would be kind of expensive if you dial directly Feb 25 04:00:32 the nasty part is there are a lot of closed bits around addressbook and dialer Feb 25 04:00:38 aiui Feb 25 04:00:41 ah, Feb 25 04:00:56 i think you can dial via dbus Feb 25 04:01:10 adalal: use skype Feb 25 04:01:21 like i have a voip application (which i can use while around wifi) that can call US from the UK for £0.005 a minute Feb 25 04:01:24 sure, but how trigger dialing via callcard from e.g. contacts? Feb 25 04:01:28 and the address book .. well find out if the api offers such else use something else Feb 25 04:01:32 skype is voip Feb 25 04:01:45 what about calling cards that you can buy from stores..? Feb 25 04:01:49 you can call landline from skype for little fees worldwide Feb 25 04:02:03 adalal: skype will always be cheaper than calling cards Feb 25 04:02:20 adalal: just get a 3g network that accepts skype :) Feb 25 04:02:28 vodafone in the uk does Feb 25 04:02:30 crashanddie_: it actually isn't, i can talk to people in india for 5+ hours and spend only £2 Feb 25 04:02:41 skype is for lussers, and for sure won't help when abroad Feb 25 04:02:52 DocScrutinizer: sorry? Feb 25 04:02:54 heh i didnt tried if my provider allows skype over 3g ... Feb 25 04:02:57 so does O2, 3 and all... they have terms and conditions prohibiting voip application Feb 25 04:02:59 using it over wlan Feb 25 04:03:02 DocScrutinizer: I travel worldwide and only use skype Feb 25 04:03:15 and i set up an vpn now .. i could tunnel skype anyways :) Feb 25 04:03:20 i find betamax services very useful and cheap :P Feb 25 04:03:35 although they dont really have any customer service per say Feb 25 04:03:46 crashanddie_: I'd like to have your worldwide roaming dataplan, prepaid for 5 years :-P Feb 25 04:03:55 adalal: if you love it so much, develop an app for it, if you don't want to do that, don't complain about it Feb 25 04:04:00 (i dont like skype, but in lack of worldwide alternatives which are *easy* to use) Feb 25 04:04:08 DocScrutinizer: I'm on average at 800 quid per month... Feb 25 04:04:19 crashanddie_: sorry for sounding naggy lol, i was just wondering if there was an application that was being built :P Feb 25 04:04:30 the answer is no Feb 25 04:04:46 800 quid?! they allow that much credit on UK networks? Feb 25 04:04:54 emacs has dbus support and bbdb ... go on :) Feb 25 04:04:57 for all reasons provided previously: nobody uses calling cards from mobiles. In most of the world calling the operator's number (for the calling card access) is overcharged anyway from mobiles Feb 25 04:05:15 i disagree on that :P Feb 25 04:05:16 adalal: corporate contract Feb 25 04:05:19 fair enough Feb 25 04:05:44 i didnt even know that calling cards are usable from mobiles Feb 25 04:05:54 sure they are Feb 25 04:05:55 How can I add a folder in the N900 menu (in More... or in the main menu) through maemo api, so that I can put only my own links to my applications? Feb 25 04:06:29 leandroal: look into catorise Feb 25 04:06:31 rtfm/use the source .. there are some apps which do that already Feb 25 04:06:39 catorize and mymenu Feb 25 04:07:09 adalal: if you manage to find someone willing to implement it: an additional service might do the trick (like SIP, IM, etc) Feb 25 04:08:47 shall.. :P, i wanna get into programming for the n900 :P... jus that uni life makes it so much harder Feb 25 04:12:29 adalal: bollocks. You're at uni which means you have more free time than an unemployed bum Feb 25 04:13:17 crashanddie_: i wish, but being in year 3 with an R&D project does turn things around Feb 25 04:17:50 crashanddie_, thanks! Feb 25 04:22:27 adalal: people in uni always think they're working a lot. That opinion changes quickly when they start working -- for real (and I'm talking about a real, 90 hour-week job, not 9 to 5) Feb 25 04:25:36 18 hour days? Feb 25 04:26:50 legal rules in the UK state 48 hours a week, with certain exceptions... that's almost twice the limit, lol Feb 25 04:29:40 90 hour/week jobs usually involve all 7 days. Feb 25 04:33:50 90h/week jobs usually proove there's a butload of shitty management involved in a project Feb 25 04:34:27 intentional shitty Feb 25 04:35:11 even then.. . Feb 25 04:36:38 jus less than 12 hours a day, for 7 days a week, unless you signed for an opt-out, and the employer's seriously abusing the agreement Feb 25 05:07:37 crashanddie_: someone working 90 hours a week either has their priorities wrong, or is getting screwed over, or both Feb 25 05:08:21 didn't someone do a study and find that beyond X number of hours, there's no benefit? Feb 25 05:10:39 luke-jr: there's definitely a monetary benefit ;) Feb 25 05:10:52 what should I use when programming in python to the N900: PyQt or PySide? Feb 25 05:10:54 crashanddie_: so the former option :p Feb 25 05:11:09 ptl: PyQt, if you must use Python :/ Feb 25 05:11:11 luke-jr: fair point Feb 25 05:11:52 crashanddie_: I suppose unless such a person plans to take a year or two off work (perhaps to bootstrap a startup without funding) Feb 25 05:11:52 if you must use? is python that bad? Feb 25 05:11:58 ptl: IMO :)\ Feb 25 05:12:19 (and has no family yet) Feb 25 05:12:22 ok, what language do you recommend? C? C++? perl? ruby? Feb 25 05:12:25 luke-jr: sorry, didn't get that Feb 25 05:13:29 ptl: C++ takes a long time to compile, but offers fast execution and object-oriented programming, C compiles very fast and executes very fast, but doesn't offer object oriented programming, perl is slow unless you're parsing strings, ruby is crap Feb 25 05:15:56 ptl: for a GUI app, native Qt Feb 25 05:16:27 I do program already and know much of these languages (except ruby) Feb 25 05:16:37 but I don't have experience with mobile programming Feb 25 05:16:45 crashanddie_: basically, I'm just saying that 90 hrs/wk leaves no time for a PURPOSE to someone's life. work exists to earn a living; living should have a purpose too :) Feb 25 05:16:55 python has object-orientation features that sort of exceed C++'s Feb 25 05:17:19 ptl: Qt is a language based on (and to some degree compatible with) C++ Feb 25 05:17:20 and I am still in the planning phase of a shopping list program. Feb 25 05:17:22 ptl: remember the 90s? Feb 25 05:17:31 luke-jr: I know Qt, moc and such Feb 25 05:17:36 crashanddie_: ? Feb 25 05:17:41 ptl: that's what I'd write a GUI in :) Feb 25 05:17:52 ptl: try to imagine you have CPU from the late 90s Feb 25 05:17:58 luke-jr: yeah, but Qt is not C++ only, it has bindings for a number of languages Feb 25 05:17:59 ptl: do you really want to use an interpreted language on it? Feb 25 05:18:22 ptl: are your OO requirements so high that you need Python's 2 extra bits at the cost of performance? Feb 25 05:18:23 crashanddie_: why not? it would make it easier to debug, it would make it faster to add features Feb 25 05:18:31 ptl: Qt is a language, based on C++. Other languages have bindings to utilize the features of the language they are lacking in :) Feb 25 05:19:04 luke-jr: agreed -- I've stopped doing 90h weeks since quite recently (a month roughly) Feb 25 05:19:15 crashanddie_: no, of course not, but how could performance be an issue in a shopping list program? in a menu-driven program? Feb 25 05:19:26 crashanddie_: much better having a life, no? :) Feb 25 05:19:43 ptl: hey, I'm just giving arguments, not doing a requirements analysis bro ;) Feb 25 05:20:00 luke-jr: pretty hard to find things to do -- and not go back to working long hours Feb 25 05:20:02 You guys confused me. I was all set to python. Feb 25 05:20:16 ptl: so if you were all set, why ask? Feb 25 05:20:34 ptl: just kidding, I know you didn't ask :) Just look at a few apps in C and Python respectively Feb 25 05:20:43 crashanddie_: Maemo = work? Feb 25 05:21:19 ptl: if you notice a difference in usability, make a decision based on that, if you can't notice anything different -- or at least for your use-cases, make a decision as well Feb 25 05:21:51 ptl: but as the person who's going to be developing it, you should feel comfortable, and apparently you much prefer Python than luke-jr and myself together Feb 25 05:22:02 luke-jr: not at all Feb 25 05:22:15 luke-jr: well, depends if I'm working with the CTO or not Feb 25 05:22:32 luke-jr: when he's around me, I kinda blend work and Maemo together :) Feb 25 05:23:07 :p Feb 25 05:23:25 crashanddie_: time to start a family and play catchup to me? <.< Feb 25 05:23:43 I'm happy with my life mate Feb 25 05:23:56 hildon-desktop is pegging my cpu at 100% usage, I have restarted the tracker-process, pulled out memory cards etc. Any ideas? Feb 25 05:24:27 luke-jr: that's why I'm not married yet, maybe I want to be happy for a couple more years :D Feb 25 05:24:38 haha Feb 25 05:24:38 DaveQB: reboot? Feb 25 05:24:41 I am going to have to reflash this thing I think Feb 25 05:24:50 crashanddie_ oh done then, so many times. Feb 25 05:24:51 crashanddie_: if you don't hurry you won't stand a chance though! :p Feb 25 05:24:57 I'm already on #4 Feb 25 05:25:26 It's PPID is the maemo-launcher Feb 25 05:25:30 If that means anything. Feb 25 05:25:45 Its* Feb 25 05:26:27 hildon-desktop Feb 25 05:27:22 DaveQB: did you reboot? Feb 25 05:27:33 Oh yeah, about 11 times now. Feb 25 05:27:45 Pulled battery for a few minutes while it was off too Feb 25 05:28:06 It doesn't seem linked the the tracker and indexing though Feb 25 05:28:23 Those processes are actually dying eventually, I guess running out of resources. Feb 25 05:29:10 I haven't got strace either, so can't attempt to see what this process is doing... :( Feb 25 05:29:27 strace would give you way too much information Feb 25 05:29:29 useless information Feb 25 05:29:40 check dmesg for the obvious hardware switches in inconsistent states Feb 25 05:29:45 DaveQB: I've had the same issue once Feb 25 05:29:50 Not really, it would help to get an idea of what on earth this process is doing Feb 25 05:29:56 MiXu- oh? Feb 25 05:30:06 The device eventually regained it's senses after tons of rebooting :D Feb 25 05:30:17 MiXu- define tonnes? ;-) Feb 25 05:30:25 I have been at this for 3 hours now Feb 25 05:30:42 something like 5 reboots + some waiting time helped Feb 25 05:30:48 hmmm Feb 25 05:31:31 wtf?! I just woke up to find that my n900 had developed some dubios hardware fault: the bezel around the keyboard is not so slightly lifted towards me so that there's some light leakage from below and it looks really bad. and I didnt do anything with it. Feb 25 05:31:32 that's terrible advice Feb 25 05:31:58 Shapeshifter man that sucks!! Feb 25 05:32:00 and it doesnt let me push it back in, it just comes out again Feb 25 05:32:01 DaveQB: just reflash and be done with it Feb 25 05:32:20 DaveQB: just install Gentoo and ignore Maemo Feb 25 05:32:20 crashanddie_ I think I need to, but can't now as I am at work, be a while to I am home. Feb 25 05:32:21 <.< Feb 25 05:32:34 luke-jr hahaha the GCC screensaver Feb 25 05:32:52 my N810 runs Gentoo! Feb 25 05:33:06 luke-jr god damn! That is crazy Feb 25 05:33:19 This is my main phone. SO not much tinkering with it for me.. Feb 25 05:33:27 pfft Feb 25 05:33:39 why spend money on something that's just a dumb phone? :p Feb 25 05:33:59 N900 practically requires tinkering, doesn't it? Feb 25 05:34:38 I wouldn't say require, but tinkering with it is very tempting. :) Feb 25 05:34:56 I tinker carefully. Feb 25 05:35:05 But if you don't tinker, it's a waste. Feb 25 05:35:06 on another note, KDE 4.3.5 is a drastic improvement over 4.3.3 Feb 25 05:35:23 I actually am not swapping (on my desktop) for once Feb 25 05:35:47 before, I was always at least 2 GB into swap Feb 25 05:36:26 luke-jr how much RAM? Feb 25 05:36:40 DaveQB: 2 GB Feb 25 05:37:08 DaveQB: note that I actively use about 20 virtual desktops Feb 25 05:37:14 luke-jr: i suspect somethings wrong. i have kde on my htpc and it doesnt swap Feb 25 05:37:20 ohh Feb 25 05:37:49 I'm also 64-bit :p Feb 25 05:42:19 luke-jr Oh ok. I see Feb 25 05:42:27 Well get some more RAM and all good Feb 25 05:42:36 DDR1 RAM is too expensive Feb 25 05:42:45 it'll have to wait until I decide to upgrade everything Feb 25 05:42:52 Tinkering isn't required, it's encouraged. Feb 25 05:42:56 and besides, as I said, KDE 4.3.5 improves enough that I don't need it :P Feb 25 05:48:52 Ahh ok, got strace installed. Feb 25 05:49:21 hildon-desktop is complaining about resource not availabe. Ref FD 11 which is a socket Feb 25 05:49:24 Bloody hell. Feb 25 05:49:29 Anyone good with sockets? :) Feb 25 06:49:00 heya johnx Feb 25 06:49:19 m00f RST38h Feb 25 06:50:09 moo johnx Feb 25 06:50:19 hey Stskeeps Feb 25 06:50:36 looks like I got the debian mobile guys to listen. they can be taught! Feb 25 06:50:51 johnx: Electric shock? Feb 25 06:51:06 more evil: harsh reality. Feb 25 06:54:30 johnx: about? Feb 25 06:55:31 about not thinking they can just go and install debian on their N900s then go back and dpkg -i all the Nokia binaries and have something that remotely works. Feb 25 06:56:18 :) Feb 25 06:57:17 are 'debian mobile guys' any like 'debian embedded guys' ? Feb 25 06:57:27 nope Feb 25 06:57:49 sorry, this is a very specific set of guys on talk.m.o Feb 25 06:57:55 not really associated with debian.org in any way Feb 25 06:59:04 it was really just a case of them walking in to the party late and not realizing that other people had been trying to do the "simply" thing they just thought up for the last 2 years Feb 25 07:01:23 does anyone know if we'll ever be able to play videos without KMplayer from the media gallery with extra codecs Feb 25 07:02:06 this piece of plastic is a heap of junk -.- Feb 25 07:02:29 what Shapeshifter? Feb 25 07:02:46 my keyboard bezel starts coming off. Feb 25 07:02:52 the device is two weeks old Feb 25 07:03:35 return it and get a new one from the shop Feb 25 07:03:48 i'm happy with the build quality of mine thou Feb 25 07:04:22 Yeah I'll go to the shop today most probably Feb 25 07:05:03 mh. or maybe in a couple of weeks. the shop still has a huge backlog for ordered devices and none in stock Feb 25 07:05:07 i can't see them having any problem with exchanging it as it is nokia's flagship device its not like its a cheap device Feb 25 07:06:01 Shapeshifter, report it to them now and get them to ring you when they have one in store Feb 25 07:06:18 ha, there's no nokia shop in my country ;) Feb 25 07:06:44 the shop where I bought it can exchange it immediately if they have it in stock. else they'll need to get one first Feb 25 07:07:47 same like mine, however i'm sure they will want to keep your custom in the future so good custom service will bend over backwards for you Feb 25 07:08:19 heh. we'll see about that Feb 25 07:09:02 :) Feb 25 07:23:09 Morning lbt! Feb 25 07:24:21 hey lbt :) Feb 25 07:33:36 hello tekojo Feb 25 07:33:41 * timeless_mbp broke terminal.app Feb 25 07:49:44 pwned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Uos2fzIJ0 Feb 25 07:50:53 timeless_mbp: how the hell d'you that? Feb 25 07:51:33 really not sure Feb 25 07:51:44 i'm wondering if http://pastebin.mozilla.org/704735 is relevant Feb 25 07:53:57 harddisk on the way out? Feb 25 07:57:13 nope, that one left my mbp yesterday night Feb 25 07:57:16 this is the new one Feb 25 07:57:30 i'm running 10.6.2 Feb 25 07:58:04 "that one left" aka you copied an install over from a dying drive? Feb 25 07:58:28 nope, we removed it from the mbp and dropped in a new one Feb 25 07:58:31 installed from scratch Feb 25 07:58:40 today's adventures should include copying over the data Feb 25 07:59:24 what were the symptoms of your old hd dying? failed SMART status? FS corruption? Feb 25 07:59:46 disk drive stopped being silent Feb 25 07:59:52 and system would freeze for a whlie Feb 25 07:59:55 niiiice Feb 25 07:59:57 plus a panic Feb 25 08:00:01 the panic was icing Feb 25 08:00:11 (it blamed the sata controller or something) Feb 25 08:00:49 anyway… current problem: why won't Terminal.app let me have a shell? Feb 25 08:01:04 * timeless_mbp enables sshd and tries to figure out the ip address for this computer Feb 25 08:01:21 * timeless_mbp kicks presence Feb 25 08:01:32 why does it bother telling me "can't connect to one or more accounts" Feb 25 08:01:33 Hi all! Feb 25 08:01:36 … there's no network! Feb 25 08:01:37 well, what I was getting to in a round-a-bout sort of way is that I kinda suspect there might be more wrong with your macbook than just the dead hd Feb 25 08:01:39 hey rapha Feb 25 08:02:25 seems a bit early Feb 25 08:02:28 but yeah, that could be fun Feb 25 08:03:10 Could somebody take a look at http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/program_manager_not_working_anymore/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1#2c4be664217c11dfb2ce759a3d18e45de45d ? Is the situation really that grim? Feb 25 08:03:24 had an imac g5 that would work for weeks after a clean install, then totally corrupt it's disk beyond repair Feb 25 08:05:20 i'm using zfs on both the old and new drives Feb 25 08:05:33 which i'm suspecting is what saved me from problems in the old one Feb 25 08:05:43 rapha, doesn't recognize the installations? so if you say "apt-cache policy busybox" what does it say? Feb 25 08:10:10 johnx: i'd have to ask the first poster myself as I don't have the issue. But I know he's not the kind of user that you would want to mess around on the command line like that; that's why I'm concerned... Feb 25 08:11:17 ah, sorry. I didn't pay attention to who posted what :) Feb 25 08:11:48 Uhm, if dpkg actually lost it's list of installed packages ... that's kind of a hard place to recover from Feb 25 08:12:22 roughly speaking, "you're hosed" Feb 25 08:12:32 back up everything, and reinstall from scratch Feb 25 08:12:51 on a server or something, it could be done by trying to bring a debian install up to a similar state then dumping the package selection into your hosed machine Feb 25 08:13:08 then telling apt-get to match that selection Feb 25 08:13:13 (all in theory of course) Feb 25 08:13:21 well, if you're going to do that, you'd use 'find' to get a file list Feb 25 08:13:31 and slowly guess packages on your clone until you get a 'good enough' match Feb 25 08:13:44 psssh. let dpkg/apt-get do the work for you Feb 25 08:14:02 how can they do that if you don't have a package list? Feb 25 08:14:07 I mean, on a server you *know* what you have installed (at least at a high level) Feb 25 08:14:08 omg Feb 25 08:14:14 looks like i poked into a bee's nest Feb 25 08:14:23 how can a "normal" user even mess up the system like that?! Feb 25 08:14:37 I'd guess something got corrupted on flash Feb 25 08:14:58 but wait Feb 25 08:15:05 is this the maemo-users list? Feb 25 08:15:06 maybe running out of battery at a very bad moment? or some kind of a crash or battery pull during a package install Feb 25 08:15:20 because that just looks like a corrupt repository Feb 25 08:15:37 and those are normal :) Feb 25 08:16:11 not on the symbian or windows mobile or apple or what-have-you phones i've seen so far Feb 25 08:16:24 the only thing that trips me up is "...it does't recognize the application installations anymore" Feb 25 08:16:27 other than that, I agree with you Feb 25 08:16:57 does someone know what I need to set for libalarm to have an infinite number of recurrences? I can set event.recurrences_left to something > 0 and it will work fine, for that number of times, but if I set it to 0 it will raise and error "alarm_event_is_sane: recurrence_cnt > 0 and recur_count = 0" Feb 25 08:17:09 hmmm who knows maybe he did do a stupid thing ... then ofc it'd be okay Feb 25 08:18:27 rapha, nah. timeless_mbp is probably right. probably an intermittent problem with the repositories Feb 25 08:18:49 if it's still happening in Maemo 6 I'll be worried, but the repositories seem to be in a constant state of "growing pains" recently Feb 25 08:18:50 sorry, i wasn't reading the link, just the chatter w/o context Feb 25 08:19:20 morning tekojo, johnx :) Feb 25 08:19:20 the link talked about the fremantle ssu repository Feb 25 08:19:45 afaik, that repository has much less flux than most Feb 25 08:19:49 but not necessarily none Feb 25 08:20:30 * timeless_mbp goes back to wondering why Terminal.app/sshd refuse to provide working shells Feb 25 08:21:16 timeless, does a 3rd party app like iterm work? Feb 25 08:21:27 well, sshd doesn't Feb 25 08:21:32 * timeless_mbp goes to hunt for iterm Feb 25 08:23:38 iTerm doesn't work Feb 25 08:24:04 cool. have you tried switching your preferences to run something else besides bash Feb 25 08:24:04 ? Feb 25 08:24:13 also, did you install something like fink or macports? Feb 25 08:24:15 "how?" Feb 25 08:24:33 um, my mac might have come w/ some limited portion of a broken macports Feb 25 08:25:02 what? Feb 25 08:25:07 I thought you did a fresh install? Feb 25 08:25:14 this was a netboot based install from my employer Feb 25 08:25:42 it's a hosed install. get a snow leopard dvd and reinstall Feb 25 08:25:52 aka "reflash" ;D Feb 25 08:26:09 "deploystudio" was the thing that did it Feb 25 08:26:12 but it was working fine Feb 25 08:26:18 i was able to use terminal.app for a while Feb 25 08:26:39 * timeless_mbp grumbles Feb 25 08:26:44 frontrow just triggered Feb 25 08:26:59 :D any jokers with mac remotes near you? Feb 25 08:27:00 * timeless_mbp tries to remember the magic incantation to make it not do that Feb 25 08:27:09 i sure hope not Feb 25 08:27:13 thought you would have learned that lesson from copenhagen :D Feb 25 08:27:17 if they are, they're outside my window Feb 25 08:27:28 well, IR is line of sight ... Feb 25 08:27:47 timeless_mbp: what are you seeing when you open terminal? Feb 25 08:28:21 an empty window w/ a hollow cursor at top left and "Terminal — login — 80x24" Feb 25 08:28:46 eww mac. Feb 25 08:29:10 timeless_mbp: go into preferences Feb 25 08:29:14 Shapeshifter: stfu Feb 25 08:29:34 Shapeshifter, eh. it's just UNIX with a cut-down UI and a crappy package manager ;) (not as bad as RHEL at least) Feb 25 08:29:49 fwiw Activity Monitor.app shows that Terminal has one child (login) Feb 25 08:29:51 timeless_mbp: go to the startup tab, make sure shells open with is selected to default login shell Feb 25 08:29:52 yeah, it's not _that_ bad ;) Feb 25 08:29:53 login is running as root Feb 25 08:29:56 package manager? lol Feb 25 08:30:05 johnx: what package manager? Feb 25 08:30:08 it doesn't have one, right Feb 25 08:30:19 johnx: I'm using port and am very happy with it Feb 25 08:30:44 Shapeshifter: the package manager doesn't make the OS Feb 25 08:30:54 Shapeshifter: you should follow the discussions about MeeGo to realise that Feb 25 08:31:00 crashanddie: this is Terminal.app preferences? Feb 25 08:31:07 timeless_mbp: yeah Feb 25 08:31:16 it says (*) DEfault login shell (/usr/bin/login) Feb 25 08:31:20 crashanddie: what do you mean? Does osx have a package manager? Feb 25 08:31:55 timeless_mbp: ok, try changing it to /bin/bash Feb 25 08:31:56 crashanddie: I mean, sure it's not about _which_ one, but if one or none Feb 25 08:32:11 Shapeshifter: you can get package managers for OSX if you really want one Feb 25 08:32:22 yeah I know. do they work well? Feb 25 08:32:27 sure Feb 25 08:32:34 I use port and for all the gnu tools it works fine Feb 25 08:32:36 okay that's nice. Feb 25 08:32:52 my main problem with mac is the horrible WM Feb 25 08:32:55 crashanddie: no change Feb 25 08:32:59 it still says login Feb 25 08:33:11 gn00 tools never work fine, you must be mistaken. Feb 25 08:33:35 timeless_mbp: dunno, have you tried turning it off and on again? Feb 25 08:33:46 not yet Feb 25 08:33:51 slightly worried :) Feb 25 08:34:08 dude, you just installed it... reinstalling can't be that bad Feb 25 08:34:17 plus you still have the old drive Feb 25 08:37:30 crashanddie: most of my work is network based anyway Feb 25 08:37:34 irc, gmail, :) Feb 25 08:38:24 hey Feb 25 08:38:37 there's a gui way to change things that 'defaults write' changes, right? Feb 25 08:38:41 a plist editor? Feb 25 08:42:05 timeless_mbp, have you tried having it run /bin/bash instead of login? Feb 25 08:42:34 http://www.macworld.com/article/51830/2006/07/showallfinder.html let me show all files Feb 25 08:43:39 johnx: it's still running login Feb 25 08:44:16 * johnx is out of ideas Feb 25 08:44:20 also: time to get some sleep Feb 25 08:45:00 'night all Feb 25 08:46:01 timeless_mbp: didn't I tell you to reboot? Feb 25 08:46:03 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=863201 Feb 25 08:48:30 ok Feb 25 08:59:04 ok, i asked my mac to reboot Feb 25 08:59:22 how long should i see the spinner icon? Feb 25 08:59:34 which directory does microsd card mount into on n900? Feb 25 09:00:53 /media/mmc Feb 25 09:04:06 thanks Feb 25 09:06:26 * timeless tries to remember how to boot single user mode Feb 25 09:16:52 crashanddie: you were right, rebooting helped Feb 25 09:18:18 timeless_mbp: never doubt me again, bitch :P Feb 25 09:18:35 * timeless_mbp grumbles Feb 25 09:20:07 hey, how does osx manage the icon for folders like '/Developer'? :) Feb 25 09:20:21 -rw-r--r--@ 1 root admin 0 Feb 25 00:57 /Developer/Icon? Feb 25 09:20:49 -rw-r--r--@ 1 root admin 0 Jun 5 2009 /Developer/Icon? Feb 25 09:20:53 the file isn't very big... Feb 25 09:23:01 has anyone bothered to sync their n900 up to evolution yet? Feb 25 09:23:44 I did Feb 25 09:23:55 it works kind-of fine with syncevolution on the laptop Feb 25 09:24:04 so you nokians... Granted we have the meego announcement recently... Will N900 ever be able to use Ovi stuff other than store? Feb 25 09:24:22 you need syncevolution 1.0 beta or so, and a fitting config file Feb 25 09:24:27 maybe I should document that on the wiki Feb 25 09:24:34 tybollt: you can already use ovi maps Feb 25 09:24:45 it comes integrated w/ your n900 ;-) Feb 25 09:24:47 timeless_mbp: meh, I mean the other ovi services Feb 25 09:24:47 Corsac, kind of fine and is it worth the effort? :) Feb 25 09:24:48 tybollt: what are “ovi stuff other than store”? Feb 25 09:24:59 Corsac: files, music, ... Feb 25 09:25:05 * tybollt throws an old Mac 2SE at timeless Feb 25 09:25:21 timeless_mbp++ Feb 25 09:25:24 that's the stuff Feb 25 09:25:47 openstandards: it worked, but I have dups problems when doing it again later Feb 25 09:25:52 timeless_mbp: isn't that store too? Feb 25 09:25:58 no Feb 25 09:26:06 Corsac: login to ovi.com and you will find out Feb 25 09:26:08 each is built by its own team in their own castle Feb 25 09:26:10 with their own moat Feb 25 09:26:15 what people think of if someone says ovi in this country: http://www.importladen.de/images/products/ovomaltine_drink.jpg Feb 25 09:26:22 to fix this, you'd first have to *find* their castle Feb 25 09:26:29 and then you'd have to figure out how to cross their moat Feb 25 09:26:33 * DocScrutinizer frowns on ovi Feb 25 09:26:37 timeless_mbp: I care not. I want ovi calendar, MOAR CALENDAR! Feb 25 09:26:37 and then you'd have to gain entrance to the castle Feb 25 09:26:51 ovi calendar is about the ultimate service Feb 25 09:28:57 a decent local calendar was the "ultimate service" :-P Feb 25 09:29:18 vcal, ical a nice-to-have Feb 25 09:29:20 kinda sad that the n900 hasn't got icalendar support out of the box Feb 25 09:29:42 timeless_mbp: must be the reason why I'm kinf of my castle Feb 25 09:30:06 king :) Feb 25 09:30:06 but pleeeease no "OVIcal" with hardcoded URL or somesuch crap Feb 25 09:30:57 DocScrutinizer: You want to update your calendar and backup your phonebook on the web, it is awesome Feb 25 09:31:15 DocScrutinizer: of-bloody-course nokia would fuck us over and not let us have that :S Feb 25 09:31:32 so what makes you think I'd wanted to use OVI for that? Feb 25 09:32:02 tybollt, better to be able to pick your own calendar service imo Feb 25 09:32:18 100% ack Feb 25 09:32:22 no Feb 25 09:32:32 personally i'd rather not have all my details on a cloud somewhere Feb 25 09:32:37 ovi calendar is one of a myriad of calendar services Feb 25 09:32:46 use whatever the poop you want Feb 25 09:32:54 but not having ovi at all is BULLSHIT Feb 25 09:33:03 every other nokia phone (well...) has that Feb 25 09:33:16 tybollt, its a new platform Feb 25 09:33:33 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Feb 25 09:33:43 DocScrutinizer: boo :P Feb 25 09:34:13 tybollt, my e65 has better grouping than the n900.... Feb 25 09:34:40 openstandards: point in case... Feb 25 09:34:44 lot of juicy packages came through apt-get upgrade (browser, wifi firmware)... Feb 25 09:34:53 new MfE stuff... Feb 25 09:35:29 villemv: huh what upgrade? Feb 25 09:35:33 villemv: is 1.2 out? Feb 25 09:35:38 eeeek even more M$ shit Feb 25 09:35:50 perhaps it's halfway out? :-) Feb 25 09:35:55 it was in repos anyway Feb 25 09:35:56 tybollt, i understand what you're saying and yes i'm somewhat disappointed however i know its going to get better :) Feb 25 09:36:00 * Corsac connects its phone Feb 25 09:36:13 I just ran apt-get upgrade Feb 25 09:36:26 lol the repos gonna get hit hard now Feb 25 09:36:33 perhaps this was 1.1.1 that I never saw Feb 25 09:36:44 heh Feb 25 09:36:47 ha Feb 25 09:36:52 yeah, looks like that Feb 25 09:36:53 that's probably 1.1.1 Feb 25 09:37:03 major updates tend to replace virtually all packages Feb 25 09:37:13 1.2 will replace essentially all localization pacakges Feb 25 09:37:16 s/akg/kag/ Feb 25 09:37:16 timeless_mbp meant: 1.2 will replace essentially all localization packages Feb 25 09:37:17 looking at the mails, they're trying to release 1.2 sdk one week before the os itself Feb 25 09:37:37 the sdk is roughly qt4.6 :) Feb 25 09:37:52 so? Feb 25 09:38:16 we'll still be warned one week before Feb 25 09:38:19 well, hopefully Feb 25 09:38:28 posix-locales is 12.6mb Feb 25 09:38:32 not easy on rootfs Feb 25 09:38:40 posix-locales isn't interesting Feb 25 09:38:49 * DocScrutinizer was much more excited about the evolution sync Feb 25 09:38:53 keep in mind that the rootfs does have some compression Feb 25 09:39:06 villemv, you're evil you got my hopes up :) Feb 25 09:39:07 new PR? Feb 25 09:39:10 it is interesting why there is no utf-8 locale :) Feb 25 09:39:12 DocScrutinizer: yeah, I should write a wiki page about that Feb 25 09:39:13 I am updating to see if there's one Feb 25 09:39:19 DocScrutinizer: but I'm not interested with web sync Feb 25 09:39:23 yeah... but not enough for my rootfs right now, cleaning up something... Feb 25 09:39:29 unless it's caldav for calendars Feb 25 09:39:36 openstandards: sorry about that. just reported what I saw :) Feb 25 09:39:41 is there a page i can find the roadmap to the updates? Feb 25 09:39:53 openstandards: no such thing exists Feb 25 09:39:54 heh roadmap to updates? Feb 25 09:39:58 you gotta be kidding Feb 25 09:40:02 openstandards: what do you mean? Feb 25 09:40:13 we are very clear: we do *not* announce dates/schedules Feb 25 09:40:31 cool... new update... "Maemo 5", I guess it's PR 1.2 since I had 1.1.1 installed Feb 25 09:40:32 what about feature wise? Feb 25 09:40:37 in general marketing (and reality) prohibit us from announcing features Feb 25 09:40:44 either marketing wants to announce a feature Feb 25 09:40:48 :( Feb 25 09:40:51 or there's a chance the feature will miss a boat Feb 25 09:40:56 making us look stupid Feb 25 09:41:05 ptl: look at the version number? Feb 25 09:41:07 ptl: big hoax?? Feb 25 09:41:15 (no updates available) Feb 25 09:41:23 lol Feb 25 09:41:26 just kidding Feb 25 09:41:28 don't kick me :P Feb 25 09:41:31 ptl: generally if there's a new update available, konttori would be around to comment on it.... Feb 25 09:41:40 since he owns updates at this point Feb 25 09:41:46 hmm that _is_ funny Feb 25 09:41:55 _bunch_ of things to update via apt Feb 25 09:42:15 nothing via HAM Feb 25 09:42:55 yet again we deduct, HAM is apt-get w/ extra heuristic toi fuck the user based on his location ;) Feb 25 09:43:26 HAM is Application Manager? Feb 25 09:43:30 yes Feb 25 09:43:35 Hildon Application Manager Feb 25 09:43:38 HAM will only upgrade packages in user/ plus dependencies, won't it? Feb 25 09:43:38 Oh Feb 25 09:44:30 I wouldn't have minded seeing 1.1.1 on HAM as well Feb 25 09:44:46 nothing here :( Feb 25 09:44:56 in apt-get, of course Feb 25 09:45:23 * DocScrutinizer wonders if Friday afternoon is early this week Feb 25 09:45:38 DocScrutinizer: >:D Feb 25 09:45:45 thresh: no? Feb 25 09:45:52 thresh: I've a bunch of stuff Feb 25 09:46:00 why exactly did nokia decide on gecko over webkit as they have done work with webkit in the past... Feb 25 09:46:06 well, no maemo-generic-whatever-whatever Feb 25 09:46:25 openstandards: your chronology is wrong Feb 25 09:46:37 we picked gecko before webkit existed Feb 25 09:46:38 openstandards: why? you dissapointed by microb? I have to say I never used a better mobile browser and I've seen most shitz Feb 25 09:46:40 (roughly) Feb 25 09:46:58 another team at nokia happened to be porting webkit to s60 while we were porting gecko to maemo Feb 25 09:47:08 and it's not like the s60 port was remotely useful Feb 25 09:47:22 nokia had to later port to s60 *again* Feb 25 09:47:54 tybollt, no i'm not its just very unusual as webkit is the chosen browser for most mobiles these days Feb 25 09:48:15 well Feb 25 09:48:43 openstandards: again, your timeline is totally broken Feb 25 09:48:58 maemo picked gecko long before webkit became the 'generally accepted choice' Feb 25 09:49:10 heck, we shipped our products before the iPod Touch/iPhone shipped Feb 25 09:49:21 so what, you should have dropped all that work and follow the trend! Feb 25 09:49:28 oh, right! Feb 25 09:49:33 i know timeless_mbp its only a recent thing that webkit has generated interest :) Feb 25 09:49:42 * timeless_mbp ponders Feb 25 09:49:43 interest? Feb 25 09:49:48 yeah, and next week we will get win7 for N900 :-S Feb 25 09:49:53 * timeless_mbp doesn't actually see any *interest* in webkit Feb 25 09:50:11 it might be used, but it's hardly interesting Feb 25 09:50:15 webkit is a f Feb 25 09:50:21 gecko's slow. Feb 25 09:50:36 thou shall port chromium to n900. Feb 25 09:50:43 webkit got fast only very recently Feb 25 09:50:57 (or the javascript engine at least) Feb 25 09:51:14 and I hear devels making up new swearwords for webkit Feb 25 09:51:16 head to head, microb vs midori on the n900 - which is better - do tell Feb 25 09:51:49 tybollt: you're comparing browsers, not engines Feb 25 09:51:55 best thing about webkit is that's it's ready-to-go easily for Qt apps Feb 25 09:52:07 webkit lacks some features, midori lacks others Feb 25 09:52:10 Corsac: I'm comparing products made out of each engine Feb 25 09:52:26 in the end, midori is my browser of choice on the desktop, but it still lacks important features Feb 25 09:52:37 (but kalikiana has only 24h a days) Feb 25 09:52:40 -s Feb 25 09:52:57 in the end midori is _promising_ at best but it has a decade to go before being usefull on the n900 =) Feb 25 09:52:58 epiphany is as a surprisingly fast dekstop browser Feb 25 09:53:13 maybe even chrome-grade Feb 25 09:53:22 fast will NOT cut it for me, I need _compatible_ Feb 25 09:53:23 (now that it's using webkit) Feb 25 09:53:32 villemv: “now”? Feb 25 09:53:41 ha yes, you're speaking of ephy Feb 25 09:53:44 I missed that :) Feb 25 09:53:45 Corsac: it used to be slow when it was still on gecko Feb 25 09:53:56 yeah I really like ephy, even though I don't really use it anymore Feb 25 09:54:12 tybollt, webkit is more compatible than you think the css3 support is no doubt the best around Feb 25 09:54:12 (when it first switched, it lacked so many features and was so crashy I preferred to switch to midori) Feb 25 09:55:38 plus the html5 qualities do shine look at how the browser on the iphone works Feb 25 09:56:04 villemv: fwiw, we have Qt bindings for Gecko floating around Feb 25 09:57:45 is it just me that loves the sound of charging the n900 Feb 25 09:57:51 timeless_mbp: oh, didn't know about that. are they similar to QtWebkit stuff? Feb 25 09:58:46 timeless_mbp: maybe I asked that before (sorry then): is there a keycode for microb to make it jump to start of page (e.g. ctrl-pageup) ? Feb 25 09:59:09 * villemv is missing a keycode to enlarge font... Feb 25 09:59:38 enlarge your fonts! Feb 25 09:59:51 enlarge you penis! Feb 25 09:59:57 oh wait...! Feb 25 10:00:03 font-enlargement, amazing 5pt in 4 weeks Feb 25 10:00:03 villemv: they're designed to be, yes Feb 25 10:00:16 DocScrutinizer: sadly i don't think we have one Feb 25 10:01:04 timeless_mbp: do you have any todo list you could append that, or does it need an enhancement ticket for this? Feb 25 10:01:17 DocScrutinizer: start a brainstorm Feb 25 10:01:40 * timeless_mbp chuckles Feb 25 10:01:47 DocScrutinizer: so... Feb 25 10:02:04 there really aren't many free keystrokes Feb 25 10:02:36 timeless_mbp: I'd happily remap my kbd for that ;-) Feb 25 10:02:41 i think you can use something like javascript:void window.scrollTo(0,0) Feb 25 10:02:51 (wfm in firefox 3.6) Feb 25 10:03:07 if you're lucky, you can convince microb to leave that in your typed url history Feb 25 10:03:26 (you might even be able to save it as a bookmark) Feb 25 10:03:47 timeless_mbp, since microb is based on firefox will we ever see mozilla weave support? Feb 25 10:03:58 * DocScrutinizer makes note about a systemwide (k)hotkeys app Feb 25 10:04:12 openstandards: will you do yourself a favor and stop spouting nonsense? Feb 25 10:04:19 microb is based on gecko, not firefox Feb 25 10:04:39 microb has support for addons Feb 25 10:04:47 and microb uses places for history Feb 25 10:04:48 can someone give me a dbus call that does nothing really but can be used for testing purposes? (I'm writing something for libalarm and just want to test if dbus calls work) Feb 25 10:04:57 like maybe show a banner or so? Feb 25 10:05:11 however microb does *not* use places for bookmarks (historical deficiency) Feb 25 10:05:33 in theory, one should be able to port weave to microb today, and get history syncing Feb 25 10:05:39 you're welcome to try Feb 25 10:05:44 Shapeshifter: introspect? Feb 25 10:05:57 i think it should also allow you to sync passwords Feb 25 10:05:57 DocScrutinizer: introspect? Feb 25 10:06:14 ok sorry for asking silly questions i'm still getting use to mine and i'm just interested in developments its just such an exciting platform and am enjoying owning a maemo device Feb 25 10:06:18 Shapeshifter: each service is supposed to offer introspect method Feb 25 10:06:35 openstandards: basically your questions are almost ok Feb 25 10:06:46 but you're putting too many things you 'think you know' into them, which makes them less ok Feb 25 10:06:52 ah, but that doesn't really have a visual effect does it? I mean, for example to test the exec functionality I just did echo "foo" >> /tmp/foo Feb 25 10:06:57 something like that Feb 25 10:07:01 you should have just asked "could weave be added to/for microb" Feb 25 10:07:14 Shapeshifter: you asked for a null function Feb 25 10:07:55 i have no idea if weave supports syncing certificates, however microb uses a system library to store certificates, so depending on how weave implements certificate syncing (if it does at all), it's quite likely that it woudln't be able to sync them Feb 25 10:08:07 DocScrutinizer: sorry, I wasn't clear. I just need some feedback if it worked. Feb 25 10:08:19 do you need a return code after caller's dbus send? or a visual feedback for the user? Feb 25 10:08:23 like a banner. anyhow, I'm googling how to show a banner using dbus now Feb 25 10:08:40 DocScrutinizer: no just for me, to test if libalarm made the dbus call ;) Feb 25 10:08:50 alarmd rather, not libalarm Feb 25 10:09:21 Shapeshifter: dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:'Hello, world!' uint32:0 string:'NAO OK!' Feb 25 10:09:22 showing banner should be among the dbus examples to be found on jebba's wiki Feb 25 10:09:42 mtd: thanks a lot ;) Feb 25 10:09:58 Shapeshifter: np - as DocScrutinizer, that's from jebba's stuff Feb 25 10:11:44 Shapeshifter: kicking the vib, or flashing the notifyLED should be there as well Feb 25 10:11:49 maemo has tens of thousands of members and apps can't get ten votes in testing Feb 25 10:12:00 ............... Feb 25 10:13:13 pupnik: actually testing apps should have a button to fire up the browser on the vote page Feb 25 10:13:29 s/button/menu entry Feb 25 10:14:02 perhaps someone should make an app for testing apps :-) Feb 25 10:14:12 heh :-) Feb 25 10:14:14 "these apps need testing. Want to install and try it out?" Feb 25 10:14:54 If we had that, we could ramp up the vote requirement even Feb 25 10:15:51 a briliant idea... Feb 25 10:17:41 though I'd just include a dependency to apptester app to the tested app pkg, and replace the executable by a wrapper that calls the tester which in turn loads the app to test Feb 25 10:18:54 yeah, that's one way to do it... but I think it would still be nice to see a list of apps that need testing in one place, along with description Feb 25 10:19:16 hmm Feb 25 10:19:29 that could be a web page Feb 25 10:19:29 * DocScrutinizer thought that's simply all apps in testing repo Feb 25 10:20:06 yeah, so an app that lists the packages in testing repo Feb 25 10:20:21 and "invoke install" Feb 25 10:20:34 hmm, a gold edition n97 Feb 25 10:20:39 * Stskeeps wonders about gold edition n900 Feb 25 10:20:43 + wrapping to submit vote Feb 25 10:23:36 Stskeeps: gold as in gold plated? Feb 25 10:23:38 chavs would love it. Feb 25 10:23:39 Stskeeps: I prefer black Feb 25 10:23:49 (morning all) Feb 25 10:23:57 morn w00teh Feb 25 10:24:08 DocScrutinizer: i want my n900 cover to be made of dark matter Feb 25 10:24:27 hehe, nicely invisible Feb 25 10:24:49 so.. many.. email Feb 25 10:25:26 protective effect for barionic interference unclear though Feb 25 10:27:45 have you tried turning on the flux capacitor? Feb 25 10:27:53 Stskeeps: first prototypes have an issue: N900 always slips out of the protective hull Feb 25 10:28:33 are we speaking of the pandora or n900? Feb 25 10:28:33 :P Feb 25 10:28:57 * w00t lols Feb 25 10:36:53 for some reason i now get the visible x pointer on boot now Feb 25 10:36:59 -now Feb 25 10:37:16 do not have to open browser and start a flash site Feb 25 10:54:22 after apt-get install ..., i cant see anything on the menu, where can i get the app? Feb 25 10:54:40 use hildon app manager Feb 25 10:54:40 :P Feb 25 10:55:06 the app is there or it isnt Feb 25 10:55:31 check the uninstall? Feb 25 10:57:24 but how could i run the app? Feb 25 10:57:33 cmdline? Feb 25 10:58:07 dpkg -L packagename Feb 25 10:58:12 to find out what it installed Feb 25 10:58:13 then run it Feb 25 10:58:20 since i cant figure out the location where the app is installed by apt-get installl Feb 25 10:58:29 read above lovelyboy Feb 25 10:58:35 can i just install debian armel packages on my n900? Feb 25 10:58:47 or are maemo packages special? Feb 25 10:58:50 you can force anything ;-) Feb 25 10:58:57 but doesn't mean it's a good idea Feb 25 10:59:07 the question is: can you run the executable Feb 25 10:59:18 * madduck tries with git-core Feb 25 10:59:38 villemv, sorry, i typed too slow :) Feb 25 10:59:50 madduck: doesn't seem like a good idea Feb 25 11:00:05 madduck: rather try compiling it for maemo Feb 25 11:00:36 madduck: btw, someone may have done the compiling for you already... Feb 25 11:02:07 so armel != armel? Feb 25 11:02:19 madduck: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 Feb 25 11:02:42 madduck: maemo has busybox, guess how many postinst scripts break with that Feb 25 11:02:43 :P Feb 25 11:03:19 madduck: it works with some packages, but yeah a rebuild is often needed because libs might not be the same, or can not be available Feb 25 11:03:28 madduck: and remember it's an etch base system :/ Feb 25 11:03:44 madduck: though I think someone already built git, iirc Feb 25 11:04:05 curious Feb 25 11:04:06 madduck: but for example, I installed pyhon-scapy directly without a glitch, and had to rebuild iproute Feb 25 11:06:19 hmm... i downloaded iproute package from debian sid and the binaries just worked fine Feb 25 11:07:11 petteri: not the libatm-linked ones :) Feb 25 11:07:20 petteri: which is why the package won't install for example Feb 25 11:07:27 ok, i just used ip :) Feb 25 11:07:31 so the only thing I did was to rebuild without it Feb 25 11:08:20 madduck: n900 has tiny root partition, so packages need to be installed to /opt and thus need repackaging Feb 25 11:13:00 ta Feb 25 11:19:50 * GeneralAntilles tries to catch up. Feb 25 11:21:32 * Arif_ yawns Feb 25 11:25:31 … Feb 25 11:26:29 what do you lot use to play music on your n900? Feb 25 11:26:45 Hello ! Feb 25 11:27:58 mediabox, mplayer Feb 25 11:27:59 openstandards: the media player? Feb 25 11:28:08 no that stinks Feb 25 11:28:23 yep Feb 25 11:28:34 it handles large amounts of files much better than mediabox Feb 25 11:28:47 mediabox lets me play a directory Feb 25 11:29:19 i couldn't get it to finish loading, much less play anything. Feb 25 11:29:34 mediaplayer doesn't allow editing the current playlist :-( Feb 25 11:29:39 you cant get media player to play a directory Feb 25 11:29:56 yeah the mediaplayer playlists suck balls Feb 25 11:30:02 but other than that it does its job ok Feb 25 11:31:17 mediabox barely works :P Feb 25 11:31:50 built in player is above average for me Feb 25 11:32:01 it just crashes whenever I start typing to search :D Feb 25 11:32:49 the first impression of mediabox's gui is nice Feb 25 11:33:01 Ubuntu One currently runs on Amazon EC2 and uses S3 to store files. This will make it easy to scale the capacity up incrementally as new users are added to the beta. Murphy told me that Canonical might eventually host the infrastructure itself on a Eucalyptus cluster. The server software is primarily written in Python, he says, and it uses some components of Twisted, Django, and Zope. Feb 25 11:33:18 Huhu ... this mean that a port could be possible for maemo Feb 25 11:33:26 I also use KMPlayer to stream videos =} Feb 25 11:33:32 canolas ui is nice, media box is pretty bad imo. media player is decent. ui wise that is. Feb 25 11:33:50 canola still doesn't play music from anywhere else than the default directory though which is kind of meh Feb 25 11:33:54 vesa: it s just a matter of preferences Feb 25 11:34:06 Khertan: ofcourse. just voicing mine =) Feb 25 11:34:08 i don't like the canola ui Feb 25 11:34:12 :) Feb 25 11:34:13 Khertan, you want to run a server on your phone? Feb 25 11:34:16 :D Feb 25 11:34:19 Arif_: lol Feb 25 11:34:27 no ... just only the client Feb 25 11:34:47 client file sync source is open sourced apparently Feb 25 11:35:02 =} Feb 25 11:35:03 could be a great things ... as dropbox still havent port nothing to maemo Feb 25 11:35:12 dropbears? Feb 25 11:35:47 dropbears ? Feb 25 11:35:56 o_o Feb 25 11:36:07 dropping bears is cruel Feb 25 11:36:09 :) Feb 25 11:36:37 dropping quotes without any context is as cruel Feb 25 11:36:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEQpUY_crc Feb 25 11:36:43 * Arif_ wonders if Maemo 5 will ever get a "share" option in media player :) Feb 25 11:37:47 Arif_: have you seen our work on Mirabeau? Feb 25 11:38:20 No? Feb 25 11:38:21 oh god ... ubuntu one sync daemon is made only of python ! Feb 25 11:38:25 YOUHOU ! Feb 25 11:38:28 i ll port it Feb 25 11:38:30 sounds too French imo :( Feb 25 11:38:49 Arif_: http://base-art.net/Articles/115/ Feb 25 11:39:09 * Arif_ reads Feb 25 11:39:14 ha, it is a name of a nice bridge Feb 25 11:39:24 ooo, upnp Feb 25 11:39:34 well, you really should change that Feb 25 11:39:38 you'll scare people away :P Feb 25 11:39:41 ? Feb 25 11:39:51 because of the name? Feb 25 11:40:02 just kidding =) Feb 25 11:41:13 beautiful font and good control balance on that vectormine game khertan Feb 25 11:41:13 too french ? Feb 25 11:41:23 thx pupnik Feb 25 11:42:26 grrr /me hate bazzar Feb 25 11:42:48 the thing about Mirabeau is that it automatically shares your media _on the device_ to other UPnP devices in the network (PS3, TVs,...) and can establish a bridge to other home-networks so you can use it as a relay to play e.g. music from your home-nas on the device at your friends lan Feb 25 11:43:46 now i'm totally lost Feb 25 11:44:02 cant login on my n900 via ssh as user, using public key Feb 25 11:44:10 the same key copied to root, works Feb 25 11:44:27 check permissions Feb 25 11:45:06 which ones exactly? Feb 25 11:45:08 .ssh and rsa_key should be 600 Feb 25 11:45:22 err, allowed_keys Feb 25 11:45:54 i moved the keys to /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u Feb 25 11:46:17 errr Feb 25 11:46:35 ? Feb 25 11:46:47 never even heard about that Feb 25 11:46:58 it doesnt really matter actually Feb 25 11:47:02 where they lie at Feb 25 11:47:18 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Feb 25 11:47:19 /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/user is totally accessible by user Feb 25 11:48:38 I don't think I seen this in ssh manpage Feb 25 11:48:47 man sshd_config, if you want Feb 25 11:49:11 AuthorizedKeysSystemFile, if you want Feb 25 11:49:30 actually I don't Feb 25 11:50:09 or AuthorizedKeysFile, it varies from version to version Feb 25 11:50:11 still, doesnt work. Feb 25 11:50:30 Yes, in order for the key to be accepted, the user account needs a password set Feb 25 11:50:32 bloody hell Feb 25 11:53:11 thresh: could you give me a hint what's the advantages of keeping the keys in /etc ? Feb 25 11:53:20 on n900, there are none Feb 25 11:53:31 on public machine, it makes sure user cant change their keys Feb 25 11:54:09 hmm, ok :-S Feb 25 11:59:42 thresh: that's a stupid argument Feb 25 12:00:08 which one? Feb 25 12:00:20 thresh: moving authorized keys to /etc Feb 25 12:00:25 on a multi-user machine, that is Feb 25 12:00:33 hm Feb 25 12:00:45 it depends on how you suppose this machine should work. Feb 25 12:01:04 there is _no_ supposition involved, whatsoever Feb 25 12:01:35 there is just no benefit Feb 25 12:01:54 yes there is. you can manage user keys using package manager, for instance. Feb 25 12:01:55 you move them from one place to another place, which is non-standard, when all that matters are access rights Feb 25 12:02:08 which one is non-standard exacrly? Feb 25 12:02:11 exactly Feb 25 12:02:14 has anybody verified packet-injection capability for N900 wifi ? Feb 25 12:02:17 having them in /etc Feb 25 12:02:23 strcpy: not possible Feb 25 12:02:59 thresh: you can manage the files through a package manager in /home as well Feb 25 12:03:21 crashanddie: if you do trust your users, yes. Feb 25 12:03:24 crashanddie: Are you sure about it? I've heard from some sources about some results... (HDM for instance, if you know) Feb 25 12:03:25 wtf Feb 25 12:03:38 however it's kind of stupid to manage something in */home* using a PM Feb 25 12:03:52 strcpy: I don't, but you ask, I answer, what's the point of asking if you won't trust my answer? Feb 25 12:04:10 thresh: you're an imbecile who believes in security through obscurity Feb 25 12:04:16 fuck you Feb 25 12:04:29 handbags down, ladies Feb 25 12:04:33 oy, no need for the f word Feb 25 12:04:53 or take a trip out of the channel Feb 25 12:05:11 hmm Feb 25 12:05:33 can you have multiple MFE's in an n900 or will it only allow for the on instance? Feb 25 12:05:59 tybollt: only one afaik Feb 25 12:07:58 thresh: anyway I just tested with authorized_keys in ~/.ssh and *without* password Feb 25 12:08:01 aww Feb 25 12:08:04 SADFACE Feb 25 12:08:20 DocScrutinizer: I did try that of course Feb 25 12:08:26 DocScrutinizer: does it work for you? Feb 25 12:08:30 yes Feb 25 12:08:37 weird Feb 25 12:08:52 if "no password" means "*" in /etc/passwd Feb 25 12:09:04 ! is probably disabled Feb 25 12:09:14 been a long time since i read passwd man page Feb 25 12:09:43 yeah, that worked Feb 25 12:11:05 boom Feb 25 12:11:07 can't read manpages and can't formulate an opinion or argument those of his colleagues/mentors Feb 25 12:11:15 welcome to linux Feb 25 12:15:27 tybollt: next time you wanna bet - ask me :D Feb 25 12:16:38 wazd: :'( .se got kicked out as well Feb 25 12:16:41 * tybollt sigh Feb 25 12:17:02 wazd: atleast .ru lost again .ca... we lost against... slovakia?!?!?!? Feb 25 12:17:36 The UK is doing so well at this olympics! Feb 25 12:17:43 We're only getting gold medals. Feb 25 12:17:47 No silver or bronze. Feb 25 12:18:03 tybollt: heh :) Feb 25 12:18:10 you have ... the one gold, eh speedy? Feb 25 12:18:15 :) Feb 25 12:18:32 We don't really invest in winter olympic sports - hence... Feb 25 12:18:38 yeah russia sucked in a game Feb 25 12:18:55 SpeedEvil: EHLO! Feb 25 12:20:05 thresh: saw it live, seriously, it was beating, not a game :) Feb 25 12:22:55 SpeedEvil: then again, we don't have winters Feb 25 12:23:20 Had a semblance of one this winter. Feb 25 12:23:53 SpeedEvil: at best, we get two weeks of mushy snow that halts the trains and empties our salt reserves, but it's not like we have any decent places we can go skiing, boarding, luging, jumping... etc Feb 25 12:24:20 SpeedEvil: snow-covered ground for how long? Feb 25 12:24:31 66 days and counting here.... Feb 25 12:24:39 Veggen: here ~30 I suppose Feb 25 12:25:10 you cant beat moscow snow this year Feb 25 12:25:12 I think it's snow covered at the moment, but I'd have to get out of bed to find out. Feb 25 12:25:18 should get around to do the ski-to-work plan, one day. Feb 25 12:25:21 almost a meter here Feb 25 12:25:32 snowmobile! Feb 25 12:25:33 :) Feb 25 12:25:43 thresh: ah, not far from a meter here either, I think. Feb 25 12:26:30 and we don't really get winter normally, either. Feb 25 12:26:38 a week now and then, but rarely longer. Feb 25 12:27:22 moo Feb 25 12:27:34 anyone know how to get 3GP streams to work in KMPlayer? Feb 25 12:29:52 * DocScrutinizer does a dance of joy at 13C, sunshine, and finally all snow gone outside. Heads out for a walk Feb 25 12:30:04 DocScrutinizer: 29C and counting Feb 25 12:30:23 hehe Feb 25 12:30:27 13? Feb 25 12:30:29 cold Feb 25 12:30:32 ={ Feb 25 12:30:32 sunny half of the ball? Feb 25 12:30:58 Arif_, I agree. Feb 25 12:31:20 I iprefer 25-30 C :D Feb 25 12:32:08 It's not that I prefer low temp like +13C. Just I don't have the choice Feb 25 12:32:20 sure you do Feb 25 12:32:21 move!@ Feb 25 12:33:00 * SpeedEvil would love 13C. (inside). /me is having cashflow issues. Feb 25 12:33:09 aww Feb 25 12:33:11 hmm Feb 25 12:33:18 KMPlayer doesn't play 3GP streams apparently Feb 25 12:33:27 * Arif_ complains some more in his head :P Feb 25 12:33:32 3gp doesnt refer to "stream" at all Feb 25 12:33:32 SpeedEvil: start the compiler! Feb 25 12:33:33 builtin player does, doesnt it? Feb 25 12:33:35 what's the protocol? Feb 25 12:33:38 no Feb 25 12:33:46 or wait streams nvm Feb 25 12:33:56 only tried it with 3gp files Feb 25 12:34:04 rtsp Feb 25 12:34:16 mplayer can do rtsp, if built with live555 Feb 25 12:34:46 o.o Feb 25 12:34:56 I just got the version from the repositories ;P Feb 25 12:35:10 well check the way it was built then Feb 25 12:35:16 and then file a bug, if it was not Feb 25 12:35:54 GeneralAntilles: and EOS 40d for 350 pounds... should I go for it? Feb 25 12:36:04 crashanddie, do it. Feb 25 12:36:11 I could probably get another one cheaper Feb 25 12:36:35 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7957 instead! Feb 25 12:37:12 GeneralAntilles: no lens, so I'd have to shell out roughly $1000 for a good lens Feb 25 12:37:26 crashanddie, yeah, but lenses have longevity. Feb 25 12:37:39 There's a 30d I could pick up for even less... Feb 25 12:38:22 crashanddie, I'd go with the 40D, personally. Feb 25 12:38:35 I've handled both in passing and found the bigger screen a really nice addition. Feb 25 12:38:55 Plus the automatic sensor cleaning is nice. Feb 25 12:39:16 btw, I noticed a significant improvement in maincam macro focus and exposure. Seems this got some fix, no? Feb 25 12:39:40 GeneralAntilles: placed a bid Feb 25 12:39:58 GeneralAntilles: actually, it comes with a lens apparently Feb 25 12:40:20 ebay? Feb 25 12:40:27 crashanddie, EF-S 18-55mm? :D Feb 25 12:40:35 i wish Feb 25 12:40:38 17-55 Feb 25 12:40:41 lol Feb 25 12:40:53 guy giving away a 17-55mm USM IS for free :D Feb 25 12:40:59 Nice Feb 25 12:41:14 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170449883163#ht_500wt_1182 Feb 25 12:41:20 GeneralAntilles: nha, that's what I'd wish for Feb 25 12:41:30 Haha Feb 25 12:41:32 Right Feb 25 12:41:47 crashanddie: 1m to go ;) Feb 25 12:41:50 aye Feb 25 12:42:02 Looks like a 1.8 50mm? Feb 25 12:42:04 crashanddie: But seems a good deal. Feb 25 12:42:08 I shouldn't really Feb 25 12:42:13 X-Fade's gonna snipe it out from under you Feb 25 12:42:13 I have plenty of fun with my pana Feb 25 12:42:14 Do it! Feb 25 12:42:21 Yeah, but SLR gives you more options. Feb 25 12:42:22 and pay postage from oz? Feb 25 12:42:24 40D <3 Feb 25 12:42:27 especially with a 40d Feb 25 12:42:34 30 seconds! Feb 25 12:42:39 No international shipping ;) Feb 25 12:42:56 I went from N900 photography to LX3 prosumer p&s to 40d Feb 25 12:43:04 SLR is so much fun Feb 25 12:43:11 w00t Feb 25 12:43:13 won it Feb 25 12:43:16 Sweet Feb 25 12:43:23 crashanddie: ooh :) Feb 25 12:43:24 crashanddie: Not bad. Feb 25 12:43:41 crashanddie: Order some batteries, as this one is most likely dead. Feb 25 12:43:52 X-Fade: will order in time Feb 25 12:44:01 I just got my filters for my lx3 today Feb 25 12:44:05 :( Feb 25 12:44:07 I'm an idiot Feb 25 12:44:08 At least that is what happens with my Canon cams. Feb 25 12:44:08 :D Feb 25 12:44:11 3rd party batteries are fine Feb 25 12:44:14 * aquatix has various Feb 25 12:44:46 wow, titanium iPhone is real in the end Feb 25 12:46:15 this guy has lot's of skills then Feb 25 12:46:36 who? Feb 25 12:46:57 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/24/the-titanium-iphone-is-real-really-real-video/ Feb 25 12:47:20 Stskeeps: nokia should hire him for hardware design like now :) Feb 25 12:47:27 apt-get does not work in scratchbox, seems cant connect to the host Feb 25 12:47:58 lovelyboy: yes it works Feb 25 12:48:20 lovelyboy: what says resolve.conf? are you root or using fakeroot command? Feb 25 12:48:20 lovelyboy: there is a faq on this Feb 25 12:48:50 i shall check that problem Feb 25 12:49:00 Stskeeps: btw, before the proving video my thoughts was "wow, what a render! Someone should hire him as lead 3d modeller or something" :D Feb 25 12:49:06 wazd: and what make the n910 worth $900? Feb 25 12:49:57 gouverneur: I think n910 is a piece of crap Feb 25 12:50:07 gouverneur: just look at it's designs Feb 25 12:50:13 whut? n910? Feb 25 12:50:20 thresh: ;) Feb 25 12:50:26 ok Feb 25 12:50:58 gouverneur: thank god they fixed "space" button at last Feb 25 12:51:00 wazd: the nec n910? Feb 25 12:51:20 wazd: I think you are another stockholm syndrom hit Feb 25 12:51:46 gouverneur: yep, I am :) Feb 25 12:51:50 matthew-: :D Feb 25 12:52:31 wazd: so you own at least two apple products and you love them!? Feb 25 12:52:33 * GeneralAntilles wishes vBulletin would italicize quotes properly. Feb 25 12:52:42 yes hello! Feb 25 12:52:51 gouverneur: I do! Feb 25 12:52:56 more than 2 and I love them! Feb 25 12:53:08 GeneralAntilles: css? Feb 25 12:53:08 1) OS X Feb 25 12:53:17 X-Fade, yeah, gonna file a bug right now. Feb 25 12:53:21 2) MacBook Pro Feb 25 12:53:27 3) Mac Pro Feb 25 12:53:34 4) iPod shuffle ! Feb 25 12:53:35 GeneralAntilles: Add a patch or it doesn't count ;) Feb 25 12:53:38 :) Feb 25 12:53:45 gouverneur: I use only apple products in my life Feb 25 12:53:55 gouverneur: cause Steve Jobs is awesome! Feb 25 12:53:56 matthew-: are you an professional artist/designer/musician/historician? Feb 25 12:54:13 gouverneur: nope Feb 25 12:54:21 math? Feb 25 12:54:29 nope, finance Feb 25 12:54:39 gouverneur: how apple is connected with professional artists I wonder? :) Feb 25 12:54:57 matthew-: you should consider to see a doctor some day soon.... Feb 25 12:55:06 gouverneur: Adobe has it's software for windows for like 15 years already :) Feb 25 12:55:37 wazd: performance of all adobe products sucks within windows env Feb 25 12:55:45 gouverneur: sure Feb 25 12:55:49 gouverneur: Why? Try Matlab performance. MAC > Windows Feb 25 12:55:55 gouverneur: that's why CS4 PS is 20% faster :P Feb 25 12:56:25 gouverneur: or try to produce some 3d models of simple functions Feb 25 12:56:36 but with a lot of data (like 5y+ back) Feb 25 12:56:43 and you'll see why finance should use mac'a Feb 25 12:56:44 mac's Feb 25 12:57:15 matthew-: try to use CUDA Feb 25 12:57:25 matthew-: and you'll be surprised :) Feb 25 12:57:32 try to play a game Feb 25 12:57:36 you will be surprised Feb 25 12:57:38 matthew-: yeah I understand some use cases for macs but only for work reasons or professional use and not as consumer goods Feb 25 12:57:41 it don't work on mac :P Feb 25 12:57:56 sar3th: actually you're wrong Feb 25 12:58:07 sar3th: veeery wrong :) Feb 25 12:58:12 wazd: CUDA? Feb 25 12:58:16 then come play bioshock 2 with me wazd Feb 25 12:58:20 sar3th: play WOW Feb 25 12:58:26 sar3th: and you'll be in shock :) Feb 25 12:58:31 WOW = fail Feb 25 12:58:31 or CS2 Feb 25 12:58:35 SC2* Feb 25 12:58:51 CUDA, the art of hijacking your GPU to do what you want Feb 25 12:58:54 :D Feb 25 12:59:19 lets stop this fight... the true fact is that the sentence "you need to jailbreak if you want to do that" points out that all people using and loving mac are some kind of stockholm syndrom deseased Feb 25 12:59:21 sar3th: http://www.macworld.com/article/52176/2006/08/cider.html Feb 25 12:59:57 same counts for microsoft at some point Feb 25 13:00:07 thanks gouverneur, both agreed Feb 25 13:00:15 gouverneur: thaks, doc Feb 25 13:00:35 gouverneur: my life so miserable before you came Feb 25 13:00:50 but, i have to say 1 more thing: wazd, cider = wine -> performance sucky sucky Feb 25 13:01:07 gouverneur: Well, the fact is, I use MAC for a reason. And I dont want to do anything more ;-) Feb 25 13:01:20 software should just be multi-platformed and or opensource Feb 25 13:01:27 then we are all good and win :) Feb 25 13:02:21 * DocScrutinizer sighs Feb 25 13:03:03 sar3th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GcHwCTVJA - performance looks fine to me Feb 25 13:04:01 what is cider? like wine? Feb 25 13:04:15 it is Feb 25 13:04:19 15fps? lol Feb 25 13:04:34 anyway Feb 25 13:04:35 let's drop it now wazd Feb 25 13:04:52 we both agree that we disagree ;) Feb 25 13:05:31 i find wine works pretty well Feb 25 13:05:37 GeneralAntilles: zfs is my friend Feb 25 13:05:49 I'm not using any apple product, and I was suggesting nokia to hire that guy cause he's a very skilled CADer/prototyper cause titanium is not the best material to use. And there's no n910 btw Feb 25 13:05:53 i'm booted from my 10.6 mac w/ my 10.6 /Users/timeless Feb 25 13:06:19 but once i zpool imported my 10.5 disk, it overlayed /Users/timeless from there, so now i'm staring at my 10.5 desktop and my 10.5 apps :) Feb 25 13:06:48 so I gues there's a problem in your head cause you're going out of mind every time someone's mentioning "apple" :D Feb 25 13:06:50 I think Apple has a wizard for that. :P Feb 25 13:07:17 that might indeed be true wazd Feb 25 13:07:26 wazd: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Feb 25 13:08:10 whanks gouverneur Feb 25 13:08:15 maddox ftw Feb 25 13:08:19 *thanks Feb 25 13:08:39 gouverneur: and? Feb 25 13:08:40 ;) I love him! Feb 25 13:08:49 gouverneur: what sould I say now? :) Feb 25 13:09:02 wazd: nothin... Feb 25 13:09:41 gouverneur: then what's the point? You wanna talk bout your iPhone hatred? :D Feb 25 13:10:23 did... I did... it was so painful.. Feb 25 13:10:27 (hence colloquy) Feb 25 13:10:28 ;) Feb 25 13:10:42 "Can't do fundamental tasks like copy & paste text:" <-- i was so amazed when i copied stuff on my n900 using ctrl+c :D Feb 25 13:11:45 sar3th: yeah, to copy text from your e-mail you should *forward* it first :D Feb 25 13:11:58 sar3th: amazing Feb 25 13:12:30 it is, copy some commands from the webbrowser and insert them into xterm->double win + laziness :D Feb 25 13:16:04 hi guys... Feb 25 13:16:35 A stupid question: Is it possible to change nokia N900 Base bands?? Feb 25 13:18:18 is it possible to get download statistics from -devel that are currently available from extras? Feb 25 13:19:01 fzfq3m: what do you mean cell frequencies? wifi? Feb 25 13:19:29 gouverneur:HSDPA bands Feb 25 13:19:52 fzfq3m: how should that be possible? Feb 25 13:20:07 gouverneur:In my country we got three oprators... two working at 1900 and 1 working at 900 Feb 25 13:21:16 fzfq3m: nope, afaik it is hardware limited, at least there is no info and the drivers dont change to other bands than the fixed Feb 25 13:24:22 gouverneur:just asking, Long ago I owned a Motorola C333 and I got it flashed with a firmware different from stock one... that firmware changed the base band of the C333 Feb 25 13:24:30 Andrewfblack: pong Feb 25 13:25:17 gouverneur: I went like crazy when the c333 started cause it didn´t was able to pickup my operator network :-P Feb 25 13:25:42 It may be possible to change to bands that are not supported by the hardware Feb 25 13:26:51 SpeedEvil: but then there will be a penalty right? Due hardware being optimized for specific bands?? Feb 25 13:29:27 Anyone know if it's possible to keep track of the current home screen being displayeed? Feb 25 13:29:44 fzfq3m: it may not work at all Feb 25 13:29:54 Couldn't find anything in gconf for it, no dbus event, though I wouldn't have expected that really. Feb 25 13:29:55 fzfq3m: or it may have a range of some meters from the cell tower Feb 25 13:33:54 Morning, all Feb 25 13:34:25 morning Feb 25 13:38:49 guys, please test and vote for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sitrep/0.4-15/ Feb 25 13:40:06 Thanks Feb 25 13:41:26 TomaszD: I'd like to see hooking it to the accel. Feb 25 13:41:38 SpeedEvil, it's amazing right now Feb 25 13:41:40 TomaszD: so that passing an orientation counts as 'next'. Feb 25 13:44:12 who I should ask to get changelog view fixed? Feb 25 13:44:51 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mdbus2/ - changelog view is broken a bit Feb 25 13:44:53 hrw, X-Fade I think Feb 25 13:45:31 anyone with a quick point what GPIO/ioctl/etc turns *on* the red led between the white flash ones ? I'd like to make an astronomy friendly version of flashlight... Feb 25 13:47:24 hmm Feb 25 13:47:32 shake2control is b0rked Feb 25 13:47:33 xD Feb 25 13:47:45 hrw: That would be me. Feb 25 13:48:27 X-Fade: nl2br() please on changelog entries Feb 25 13:49:17 btw - did someone wrote really short 'quick introduction to extras-devel->testing->extras queue for developers'? Feb 25 13:49:36 hrw: Did you use * for new entries? Feb 25 13:50:18 not only * Feb 25 13:51:48 hi, me again. apt-get update still fails after i edit the /sources.list Feb 25 13:52:05 * change details Feb 25 13:52:05 more change details Feb 25 13:52:17 thats what Debian policy says about changelogs Feb 25 13:52:19 hrw: Indeed. Feb 25 13:52:54 hrw: just need to see of I can be smart about some new lines. Feb 25 13:53:03 i think it's the problem of /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf, but dont know how to fix that Feb 25 13:53:16 hrw: wanted to prevent hard breaks in a fluid div. Feb 25 13:53:30 X-Fade: 
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would be easier Feb 25 13:53:41 but yes, can break design Feb 25 13:53:48 hrw: No pre is the source of all evil ;) Feb 25 13:54:11 X-Fade: so write complex parser ;( Feb 25 13:54:32 hrw: I wonder if there is a max line length. Feb 25 13:54:52 anyway looks like I need to dig deep into maemo wiki and infrastructure to understand how extras migration (devel->testing->normal) works Feb 25 13:54:57 X-Fade: assume 80 chars Feb 25 13:55:36 hrw: yeah, will try to fix the layout at least. Now it looks weird. Feb 25 13:56:45 ok, so simple question then: I uploaded package (mdbus2) into autobuilder. package is in extras-devel now. will it migrate to extras-testing by its own or should I dig into maemo.org/somewhere and click magic buttons? Feb 25 13:57:07 hrw: go to the arm version of the packge. Feb 25 13:57:12 hrw: click on promote. Feb 25 13:57:56 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-2/ lacks such button (and I am logged in) Feb 25 13:58:04 hrw: But you seem to be missing: XSBC-Bugtracker: Feb 25 13:58:31 X-Fade: there is no bugtracker for packaging of that app Feb 25 13:58:42 * hrw wants lintian on maemo Feb 25 13:58:44 hrw: It is one of the requirements for Extras. Feb 25 13:59:09 hrw: andre__ can give you one, or you can fill in mailto:youremail. Feb 25 13:59:19 so "XSBC-Bugtracker: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/contact/" will do? Feb 25 13:59:37 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Feb 25 13:59:45 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Bugtracker_location Feb 25 14:00:29 thx andre__ Feb 25 14:08:38 Stskeeps: Ping Feb 25 14:09:33 hmm guess I'm still online at home hello Andrewfblack Feb 25 14:10:50 /msg nickserv ghost Andrewfblack? Feb 25 14:14:40 no new rumours about PR 1.2? Feb 25 14:16:10 hrw: I could make one up. Feb 25 14:16:25 ovi maps 4.0 coming in 1.2!!11! Feb 25 14:16:51 nid0: srsly? Oh wow!!1! Feb 25 14:17:28 moo all Feb 25 14:17:39 hrw, why? Which would you like? ;) Feb 25 14:17:53 nid0, will it teleport me to my destination? Feb 25 14:18:01 hrw: There is a hope for the official Ctrl-Shift-I in the browser Feb 25 14:18:21 hrw: At least romaxa says UX people are *considering* it Feb 25 14:18:26 not as such, but it does actually fold space for you when you tell it where you want to go, so you can step forwards and you're there Feb 25 14:18:31 ;D Feb 25 14:18:41 pff Feb 25 14:18:45 it's useless then Feb 25 14:18:52 even apple has it! Feb 25 14:18:57 fold space? like guild navigators? Feb 25 14:19:08 in iPhone OS 3.3! Feb 25 14:19:18 yep, theres a tiny little reservoir of spice in the battery compartment Feb 25 14:19:20 supply your own spice, I bet Feb 25 14:19:22 unused till now Feb 25 14:19:37 Finally, a syringe included with the softwareupdate... Feb 25 14:19:37 so THAT's why the N900 is so thick! Feb 25 14:21:52 can anybody please hit me with harmattan UI framework images? Feb 25 14:21:55 RST38h: heya Feb 25 14:22:10 I can just hit you ... Feb 25 14:22:14 wazd: planet.maemo.org a couple of pages back Feb 25 14:22:25 * Corsac hits wazd Feb 25 14:22:27 Arif_: bad idea :D Feb 25 14:22:31 damn Feb 25 14:22:40 X-Fade: "Failed to load component net.nehmer.static: Component not in manifest list." on http://maemo.org/packages/view/mdbus2/ Feb 25 14:22:52 Failed to load component net.nehmer.static: Component not in manifest list. Feb 25 14:23:16 omg, they kileed maemo.org! You bastards! Feb 25 14:23:21 hrw: Should be gone now. Feb 25 14:23:21 killed* Feb 25 14:23:36 don't worry, it'll be back the next episode Feb 25 14:23:38 X-Fade: what happened to download stats btw? :) Feb 25 14:23:41 hrw: Was during cache flush, changelog should be batter. Feb 25 14:23:47 better even. Feb 25 14:24:13 X-Fade: much better now. thx Feb 25 14:24:37 wazd: moo indeed! Feb 25 14:25:08 * VDVsx moos at RST38h ;) Feb 25 14:25:18 wazd: You like? Feb 25 14:25:33 X-Fade: well, they all skyrocketed :) Feb 25 14:25:49 wazd: I now have the actual akamai stats. Feb 25 14:25:50 VDVsx: How is suffering today? =) Feb 25 14:26:03 X-Fade: great! Feb 25 14:26:05 ColEm 2.6.0-2 goes into Extras Feb 25 14:26:26 * Arif_ has no Coleco vision roms Feb 25 14:26:26 RST38h, dunno :D Feb 25 14:26:31 X-Fade: OMWeather gone from hot top at all, but I actually like it :) Feb 25 14:26:33 waits for mdbus 2.0.0-3 in extras-devel... Feb 25 14:26:49 * Arif_ waits for a better GBA emulator Feb 25 14:26:50 X-Fade: that UI design doesn't deserve to be in top :D Feb 25 14:26:55 VDVsx: Isn't it troubling not knowhing how you are gonna suffer today? =) Feb 25 14:26:58 wazd: hehe. Feb 25 14:27:15 and someone port a megadrive emu, damnit Feb 25 14:27:17 :P Feb 25 14:27:29 Arif: Do it yourself, why wait? Feb 25 14:27:30 RST38h, lol Feb 25 14:27:32 Stskeeps: you demon, I'm tired of hitting "older" link :D Feb 25 14:27:43 RST38h, easier said then done Feb 25 14:27:46 ;p Feb 25 14:27:52 wazd, sec Feb 25 14:28:33 wazd, http://www.andreagrandi.it/2010/02/16/maemo-6-harmattan-ui-screenshots/ Feb 25 14:28:38 VDVsx: found it :) Feb 25 14:28:47 Arif: Good, start toiling. Feb 25 14:28:51 VDVsx: thanks anyway :) Feb 25 14:29:14 I'd rather not Feb 25 14:29:15 wazd, see, I'm really fast ;) Feb 25 14:29:16 :P Feb 25 14:29:17 :D Feb 25 14:29:37 VDVsx: you had it bookmarked, cheater :P Feb 25 14:30:02 wazd, no no, thunderbird search ;) Feb 25 14:30:08 I've the planet feed there Feb 25 14:30:46 VDVsx: ah :) Feb 25 14:31:13 VDVsx: I thought you'd try to convice me that you've searched trhu pages :D Feb 25 14:31:25 lol Feb 25 14:31:58 I remembered where I saw that "home" icon Feb 25 14:32:12 http://mobileroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/maemo1.jpg Feb 25 14:33:10 that person needs to meet someone else Feb 25 14:33:11 ;p Feb 25 14:35:21 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/nokias-ovi-maps-headed-to-windows-mobile-and-android/ (eheheh, always making funny rumors) Feb 25 14:35:47 lolwat Feb 25 14:36:02 they should make it available on their own phones first Feb 25 14:36:17 Arif_: :) Feb 25 14:36:38 *cough*N95, N9000*cough* Feb 25 14:36:45 VDVsx: WM and Android have already *working* maps Feb 25 14:36:59 but are they free Feb 25 14:37:09 n9000 ? Feb 25 14:37:12 new rumor! Feb 25 14:37:16 yes! Feb 25 14:37:19 Update: Nokia just got back to us with an unsurprising response: "have spoken to Greig and he absolutely didn't make that statement. Feb 25 14:37:29 hrw, yes, but you need a data connections, no offline maps Feb 25 14:37:36 * Arif_ fotoshops an N90000 Feb 25 14:38:02 and Google maps doesn't has turn by turn nor pedestrian outside the US;) Feb 25 14:38:04 the title won't fit anymore soon :( Feb 25 14:38:40 VDVsx: WM has offline maps apps Feb 25 14:39:04 VDVsx: tomtom, automapa, mapamap, easymap, igo and few others are working under wm Feb 25 14:39:11 they're not free! Feb 25 14:39:22 hrw, same for android Feb 25 14:39:46 prices from $99 to $250 Feb 25 14:39:49 ;) Feb 25 14:39:59 * wazd begs his head to stop generating UI ideas Feb 25 14:40:03 There's a Turkish saying: free vinegar tastes better than paid for honey :P Feb 25 14:40:05 according to endgadget Feb 25 14:40:09 Arif_: my tomtom 3rd with qvga has better software/hardware then n810/n900 Feb 25 14:40:47 really, why would they have so good hardware for just mapping :P Feb 25 14:41:03 Arif_: offline gps fix in seconds instead of years (n810/n900) Feb 25 14:41:34 we have some tomtom one laying around here somewhere Feb 25 14:41:38 I don't know what gen :( Feb 25 14:41:52 but yeah, phone GPS mostly sucks :P Feb 25 14:41:57 cpu power etc sucks a bit as it is s3c2410/200MHz with 32MB ram but anyway is much faster then any nokia tablet/phone gps Feb 25 14:42:09 but I never use GPS Feb 25 14:42:12 so I don't care :D Feb 25 14:42:19 I care more for the media player to improve Feb 25 14:43:01 ;) Feb 25 14:43:33 gps saved me lot of time in Brussels, London, Cambridge and other places where I was for first time Feb 25 14:43:49 * hrw -> coffee Feb 25 14:45:07 iirc gps never helped me, but maps did Feb 25 14:49:17 by the time you got a gps fix youarrived to your destination? Feb 25 15:04:12 * Stskeeps crashes after a long day and gets around to watching Rebuild of Evangelion Feb 25 15:06:49 rebuild? Feb 25 15:07:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuild_of_Evangelion Feb 25 15:08:51 thanks Feb 25 15:10:03 bergie: seen VDVsx's request for karma corrections? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=545884#post545884 Feb 25 15:11:49 Jaffa: nope, missed that. I'll be offline for tomorrow (15h in airplane, fun), but early next week I could probably do any karma calculator changes you guys want Feb 25 15:11:53 just tell me what to do Feb 25 15:12:20 bergie: Ask VDVsx ;-) Feb 25 15:12:46 The new algorithm (community-agreed, IIRC) obviously needs some further tweaks now it's put into practice. Feb 25 15:13:47 Jaffa, well, community-agreed + non-agreed changes ;) Feb 25 15:14:00 VDVsx: I was trying to be diplomatic ;-) Feb 25 15:15:30 * Arif_ yawns Feb 25 15:16:27 VDVsx: so yeah, just let me know the concrete changes that need to be made Feb 25 15:17:33 bergie, not really sure about blogs, so far anyone suggested a good formula, perhaps some sqrt again :D Feb 25 15:18:27 I'll ask again and send you a email over the weekend Feb 25 15:18:35 ok Feb 25 15:20:37 humm humm, no XDG env variables :o Feb 25 15:29:55 Jaffa: replied to your email Feb 25 15:30:06 crashanddie: ta Feb 25 15:30:12 Jaffa: you woke me up, I actually put an alert on your emails this week on the BB Feb 25 15:30:16 I'm off, later Feb 25 15:33:34 how do i select text in an email? Feb 25 15:33:49 corecode: Reply & shift-cursor keys Feb 25 15:34:52 reply... Feb 25 15:35:14 yes, ugly. I think there is a bug for that. Feb 25 15:35:35 can't you use hte mouse thingy like in SMS/web browser? Feb 25 15:35:42 no Feb 25 15:35:45 laters Feb 25 15:35:57 aw Feb 25 15:36:05 * Andrewfblack_ is back from meeting Feb 25 15:37:03 hi Andrewfblack_ konttori Feb 25 15:38:13 aha so N900 wifi does not use sdio Feb 25 15:40:01 hrw: ho Feb 25 15:44:19 odd, the n900 doesn't seem to like nxec wifi Feb 25 15:44:21 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-3/ - anyone wants to test? Feb 25 15:45:16 * SpeedEvil was just using that. Feb 25 15:46:41 SpeedEvil: mdbus2? Feb 25 15:46:48 y Feb 25 15:46:58 how do you like it? Feb 25 15:47:18 it seems to work basically. Feb 25 15:47:32 is it possible to force the media file indexer to re-index? Feb 25 15:47:39 help text from --help should be available with help in interactive mode maybe Feb 25 15:47:55 nevermind, it just started Feb 25 15:50:53 Woo! Feb 25 15:51:04 Cashback from n900 just came through. Feb 25 15:51:27 cashback? Feb 25 15:51:32 "free cash - click here!" Feb 25 15:51:37 ha Feb 25 15:51:40 * Corsac checks his account Feb 25 15:51:48 SpeedEvil: cool Feb 25 15:52:05 (topcashback - ordered through nokia.co.uk) Feb 25 15:54:09 woo Feb 25 15:54:10 mine is there too Feb 25 15:55:45 sar3th|away: "tracker-processes -r" in terminal resets tracker Feb 25 15:56:28 Takes my n900 down to 208 quid. :) Feb 25 15:56:52 * Arif_ needs a new toy Feb 25 15:57:29 (eventually) - 255 o far. Feb 25 15:57:47 SpeedEvil, where did you buy it? Feb 25 15:58:19 nokia.co.uk Feb 25 15:58:28 (read up 5 lines, tsk) Feb 25 15:58:37 w00t Feb 25 15:58:45 my coworker is drooling looking at a n900, but one local operator sells it for the equivalent of 650 quid Feb 25 15:58:45 yes! Feb 25 15:58:50 the other local operator doesn't have it at all Feb 25 15:58:57 mgedmin: what the hell? Feb 25 15:59:06 w00t: sorry I just like saying "w00t"! :) Feb 25 15:59:09 it's cheaper *directly* Feb 25 15:59:13 £499, without discounts Feb 25 15:59:29 does that include VAT? Feb 25 15:59:32 (my quoted price does) Feb 25 15:59:37 yes, it does Feb 25 15:59:40 cool Feb 25 15:59:50 lol Feb 25 16:00:04 isn't that the entire point of subsidising phones and why consumer authorities try to outlaw doing so... they can charge (albeit over time) a H U G E premium from the user. Feb 25 16:00:25 tybollt: well to be fair, they usually provide contract as well as the phone, so it does end out cheaper Feb 25 16:00:30 mgedmin: i happened to get it when several voucher codes were valid. Feb 25 16:00:32 (though there are definitely bad deals) Feb 25 16:00:35 w00t: well - it depends. Feb 25 16:00:39 ^ Feb 25 16:00:42 see my addendum to that :P Feb 25 16:00:42 w00t: no, it really rarely does Feb 25 16:00:50 ok, let me rephrase Feb 25 16:00:53 it actually does work out cheaper most of the timer Feb 25 16:00:56 w00t: because often they charge you an amount you "get to call for" Feb 25 16:01:00 it usually ends out cheaper *if you do your homework* Feb 25 16:01:06 w00t: t-mobile (uk) works for me at the moment. pay-as-you-go. With a 6 month 1G/mo internet package for 20 quid. Feb 25 16:01:12 w00t: HELL yeah Feb 25 16:01:17 if you're the sort to just take the one with the lowest figure, you're an idiot Feb 25 16:01:31 because it *will* bite you in the ass by e.g. being a 24 month contract at that low figure Feb 25 16:01:34 in the uk at least, if you have an airtime requirement that would cost you more than about 15 a month for just the sim, you're better off to get the contract that provides the phone as well Feb 25 16:01:53 w00t: I'm actually an idiot - though I don't take the one w/ the latest figure anyway :) Feb 25 16:01:57 *g* Feb 25 16:02:09 s/latest/lowest( Feb 25 16:02:18 the problem I have is that some good contracts with good providers have shit coverage in hull Feb 25 16:02:21 my contract is gonna cost me 660 over 2 years, but theres no way id get all my calls and data usage for 250 in that same period having bought the phone simfree. Feb 25 16:02:22 e.g. vodaphone Feb 25 16:05:51 contracts are always better than simfree :p Feb 25 16:06:05 depends Feb 25 16:06:11 they aren't for me, because my contract is company provided Feb 25 16:06:20 so paying extra for a contract I wouldn't use would be stupid Feb 25 16:06:44 you already have a contract then Feb 25 16:06:45 ;P Feb 25 16:06:57 technically Feb 25 16:07:05 it doesn't come out of my pocket, though ;) Feb 25 16:07:08 does it have mobile internets? Feb 25 16:07:17 yes Feb 25 16:07:18 in fairness my o2 contract on this phone isnt all that amazing Feb 25 16:07:23 shitty CPW :< Feb 25 16:07:41 * Arif_ has TMobile NL Feb 25 16:07:55 it's the only provider in .nl with no internet limitations Feb 25 16:08:34 other providers have 250MB(!) monthly caps :o Feb 25 16:09:07 uk providers are all between 500mb-2gb ish Feb 25 16:09:34 meh Feb 25 16:09:46 256kbit streams ftw :P Feb 25 16:11:45 Arif_: Do you use them on N900? Feb 25 16:11:53 yes Feb 25 16:12:02 Arif_: Urls? :) Feb 25 16:12:17 * Arif_ points at DVBVIewer+Recording Service Feb 25 16:13:07 it streams satellite radio without transcoding! :D Feb 25 16:15:07 great #5810 is now resolved Feb 25 16:15:24 as wontfix? :P Feb 25 16:16:27 One Nokia employee went to London: "Verified that now network time was properly Feb 25 16:16:28 updated also in London." Feb 25 16:16:41 I can't help but think how epic it would be to have a company purchase you a plane ticket for bug testing Feb 25 16:16:45 8g* Feb 25 16:17:12 I'd gladly help Feb 25 16:17:20 Nokia should buy me a plane ticket to Turkey Feb 25 16:17:21 :D Feb 25 16:17:28 I concur with this line of thought Feb 25 16:17:33 they can pay my next trip home to australia Feb 25 16:17:37 :-) Feb 25 16:17:47 GMT+0 -> GMT+10 needs testing, after all Feb 25 16:17:57 to be sure Feb 25 16:18:03 I can fly back and forth every few weeks Feb 25 16:18:04 ;P Feb 25 16:18:11 australia == home? Lucky basterd :D Feb 25 16:18:39 tybollt: it's where I was born, yes, I don't live there any more Feb 25 16:18:52 I'll try CET → PST soon Feb 25 16:18:59 * SpeedEvil submits bug 9098 - Long pressing on a location on nokia maps does not give you a teleport option. Feb 25 16:19:00 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9098 Some contacts not syncing to NuevaSync Feb 25 16:19:09 Sometimes I feel like flying out of this god forsaken snowcovered hell hole that is sweden and never return :) Feb 25 16:19:12 SpeedEvil: too late :) Feb 25 16:19:22 SpeedEvil: you know, when I was stuck on a 4 hour train journey yesterday, I was thinking "goddammit why don't we have teleports yet." Feb 25 16:19:52 s/4/3 Feb 25 16:20:31 w00t: and then you remembered Hyperion? Feb 25 16:20:54 it's in endymion Feb 25 16:22:13 * Arif_ hopes bug 9020 will be fixed :P Feb 25 16:22:14 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9020 Media player crashes when trying to search in ''All songs'' Feb 25 16:22:26 oo Feb 25 16:22:28 handy bot Feb 25 16:23:23 yay, im online with my n900 ;) Feb 25 16:23:28 aquatix: whatever reference that is is lost to me I'm afraid Feb 25 16:23:49 w00t: http://www.mostlyfiction.com/scifi/simmons.htm Feb 25 16:23:53 have fun IRC'ing on that awful keyboard :P Feb 25 16:24:08 w00t: if you're a bit into sci-fi, I can really recommend it Feb 25 16:24:16 i have fun :D Feb 25 16:24:20 Pillum: :) Feb 25 16:24:25 x-chat? Feb 25 16:24:31 irssi Feb 25 16:24:40 my other guess :) Feb 25 16:24:46 hehe :) Feb 25 16:25:02 aquatix: thanks, i'll look into it ;) Feb 25 16:25:06 for me the keyboard is perfect! Feb 25 16:25:09 I have XChat installed but I haven't started it yet :D Feb 25 16:25:14 lol Feb 25 16:25:35 oh a stupid question btw Feb 25 16:25:42 how do I use the auto complete Feb 25 16:25:52 ctrl-i is tab Feb 25 16:25:53 sometimes suggestions appear but I don't know how to say "yes, use that" Feb 25 16:26:09 sorry, I mean then typing Feb 25 16:26:11 d-pad maybe? Feb 25 16:26:16 erm Feb 25 16:26:21 *headdesk* Feb 25 16:26:26 I use the virtual keyboard Feb 25 16:26:29 =O Feb 25 16:26:45 arrow-right? Feb 25 16:27:35 there's no arrow right! Feb 25 16:27:38 right arrow does indeed accept the auto completion Feb 25 16:27:56 on physical keyboard Feb 25 16:27:58 maybe that's becasue I have ukeyboard and Turkish layout Feb 25 16:28:03 hmm Feb 25 16:28:12 Is there a normal text editor which can show multiple files on a sidebar? Feb 25 16:28:13 on virtual you just touch the word Feb 25 16:28:15 like kate? Feb 25 16:28:43 I have kate running in easy-debian, but it is using a lots of resources, such simple thing like file editor could be more efficient for n900 Feb 25 16:28:57 Sentri, thankst hat works :D Feb 25 16:29:07 It must be plain text files, not html or anything else Feb 25 16:29:46 that would be easy to code Feb 25 16:30:07 just add some tabs to leafpad Feb 25 16:31:19 Pillum: so leafpad allows to edit a single plain text file? Feb 25 16:31:42 does it at least remember the last file which was opened? Feb 25 16:32:31 it can edit a single plain text file Feb 25 16:33:00 Pillum: yeah, thats a starting point :-) Feb 25 16:33:06 but it doesnt remembers the last opened file :( Feb 25 16:33:31 ugh ;( Feb 25 16:33:53 it also has some basic text editing functions like search, replace and jump to Feb 25 16:42:14 lol... I forgot I stayed logged into this Feb 25 16:42:27 * w00t waves at Texrat Feb 25 16:42:30 first allnighter! Feb 25 16:42:31 :P Feb 25 16:42:38 somebody kill me please :( Feb 25 16:42:48 * Texrat kills wazd Feb 25 16:42:50 /kb wazd Feb 25 16:43:06 .me hands wazd an Phone Feb 25 16:43:09 * Arif_ hands wazd an Phone Feb 25 16:43:20 Arif still having trouble with text :D Feb 25 16:43:26 whyphone? Feb 25 16:43:28 Arif_: a whyphone? Feb 25 16:43:30 heh, that's how you love me? :D Feb 25 16:43:34 Stskeeps: gmta :) Feb 25 16:43:40 * Stskeeps passes wazd candy Feb 25 16:43:48 * aquatix gone Feb 25 16:43:50 that was supposed to be an i with no dot Feb 25 16:43:50 * Texrat steals candy from wazd Feb 25 16:43:53 get better fonts! Feb 25 16:44:07 * wazd cries Feb 25 16:44:20 ıPhone Feb 25 16:44:22 how about now Feb 25 16:44:26 better Feb 25 16:44:37 different UTF8 settings per channel ftl Feb 25 16:44:38 eyephone ) Feb 25 16:44:44 8phone Feb 25 16:44:45 how about a !phone Feb 25 16:45:17 what about the Apfel ichHandy Feb 25 16:45:24 lol Feb 25 16:45:31 seriously, I need to work, but everytime I try to concentrate I just get an awesome UI idea and draw it :( Feb 25 16:45:39 I hear ya wazd Feb 25 16:45:41 maybe I need a doctor or something :( Feb 25 16:45:48 it doesn't help that I hate my real job Feb 25 16:45:49 I have the opposite Feb 25 16:45:55 I have nothing to do :P Feb 25 16:46:04 * Texrat wants to make money in MeeGo ecosystem Feb 25 16:46:09 <-- for hire Feb 25 16:46:18 submit apps to Ovi......wait Feb 25 16:46:22 you can't ;( Feb 25 16:46:23 lol Feb 25 16:47:19 but don't worry Feb 25 16:47:24 they added a Shrek 4 trailer! Feb 25 16:47:26 There is hope! Feb 25 16:47:29 * Texrat quits worrying Feb 25 16:47:31 leafpad works nice Feb 25 16:47:49 mmh, how can I change the desktop entry, so that it directly edits a file? Feb 25 16:47:57 my idea to make MeeGo UI video will definitely screw my life completely Feb 25 16:47:58 its somewhere in xdg/menus or? Feb 25 16:48:07 but where exactly :-) ? Feb 25 16:49:21 I hope Maemo 6 will not be on N900 when I think of it Feb 25 16:49:48 more reeason for me to buy a phone with thought out port/speaker placement! Feb 25 16:50:27 Arif_: do you think support for Maemo 5 will be better when Maemo 6 is not available for N900? Feb 25 16:50:48 No Feb 25 16:50:55 they'll just forget the N900 existed :P Feb 25 16:51:14 *cough*N96*cough* Feb 25 16:55:07 rather have better thought out keyboard than speakers tbh :( Feb 25 16:58:48 well you can use the keyboard if you get used to it Feb 25 16:58:53 but the speakers are a joke :P Feb 25 16:58:59 * Khertan Texrat haha ... you ll not be able to make money on meego ... before need dev, users, devices, .... Feb 25 16:58:59 :) Feb 25 16:59:02 * Texrat is amazed to see Arif cough up an N96 Feb 25 16:59:15 also the keycord thingy is placed on the wrong side Feb 25 16:59:22 Khertan, MeeGo could hire me! Feb 25 16:59:29 HaHA ! Feb 25 16:59:30 :) Feb 25 16:59:40 if its dangling around your neck the microphone is facing down! Feb 25 16:59:48 ANY job but the one I currently have Feb 25 16:59:59 Nokia should hire a real life tester Feb 25 17:00:03 e.g. me Feb 25 17:00:15 Texrat, what is your job :P Feb 25 17:00:40 Arif: software change amangement-- which is okay, it's actually the boss/employer/work environ Feb 25 17:00:45 N should ... wait i must shut up ... it s completely in the opposite direction of the meego way Feb 25 17:00:48 manageemnt* Feb 25 17:00:50 geez Feb 25 17:00:56 MANAGEMENT* Feb 25 17:01:08 lal Feb 25 17:01:22 Texrat, you should work for Nokia Feb 25 17:01:29 they change software every week or so Feb 25 17:01:31 Arif: I used to work for Nokia Feb 25 17:01:36 * VDVsx hires Texrat as official coffee supplier for the Meego community :D Feb 25 17:01:36 they eliminated my job Feb 25 17:01:38 * VDVsx hides Feb 25 17:01:41 yay Feb 25 17:01:49 * Texrat loves VDVsx Feb 25 17:01:55 * Arif_ hates coffee Feb 25 17:02:18 mmmmmm.... coffeeeeeeee... Feb 25 17:02:24 I prefer Turkish tea Feb 25 17:02:26 Texrat, Where's my coffee ? ??? Feb 25 17:02:30 ehhehe Feb 25 17:02:33 and not the painted water crap they have here in Holland Feb 25 17:02:36 VDVsx: sorry, I drank yours Feb 25 17:02:40 :/ Feb 25 17:02:40 pupnik! Feb 25 17:02:45 uh oh. My N900 USB connector is broken... Feb 25 17:03:15 :/ Feb 25 17:03:18 SystemParadox: welcome to a growing club :/ Feb 25 17:03:24 hi Texrat :) Feb 25 17:03:43 * Texrat is working from home again, wife is sick Feb 25 17:03:44 welcome to one of the minority groups thats ignored by Nokia! Feb 25 17:03:44 had a lot of thinking to do after our talk Feb 25 17:03:55 we talked? I missed it :p Feb 25 17:04:17 couldnt sleep Feb 25 17:04:26 ffffuuu Feb 25 17:04:29 * Arif_ feels he's in a channel with a lot of old people o.o Feb 25 17:04:31 Arif, Nokia not ignoring... the giant is just slow to turn Feb 25 17:04:42 i have a music album which starts with "..." Feb 25 17:04:57 Texrat, it's so much more emotional if you call it ignore :( Feb 25 17:05:07 I've resisted! Feb 25 17:05:10 * Texrat just had Life cereal for lunch Feb 25 17:05:11 it can not be found by the media player, because it's hidden -.- Feb 25 17:05:20 lol Feb 25 17:05:22 I turned off my pc! Feb 25 17:05:35 I have all my music in one folder Feb 25 17:05:37 try mediabox Vanadis Feb 25 17:06:29 mediabox didn't like my music collection too much Feb 25 17:06:50 Texrat, seriously, the community would benefit for sure some paid(full or party time) community workers for key non-teck areas, if it grows as I'm expecting ;) Feb 25 17:07:02 Stskeeps: can you mail me what changes should I make in marina's controol? Feb 25 17:07:03 but that's not easy as we know :) Feb 25 17:07:24 VDVsx, so we get assured everythings alright? :P Feb 25 17:07:35 wazd, I've the solution for all your problems :D Feb 25 17:08:00 Vdvsx: wow) a colt? :D Feb 25 17:08:12 wazd, get a job as UI/UX for mobiles Feb 25 17:08:28 :P Feb 25 17:08:36 VDVsx: oh, thanks, captain O :D Feb 25 17:08:40 eheheh Feb 25 17:09:15 * Arif_ sends wazd to Apple Feb 25 17:09:28 I think would be the perfect solution, don't you agree ? ;) Feb 25 17:09:35 Vdvsx: be sure I already was looking for a spot in maemo ui team) Feb 25 17:09:56 Vdvsx: but they stay silent I guess :) Feb 25 17:10:21 * VDVsx has a contact at Apple Ireland :D Feb 25 17:10:23 wazd: add "Provides: hildon-theme" in second "section" Feb 25 17:10:48 VDVsx, ask him when iPhone os will stop sucking Feb 25 17:11:03 eheh Feb 25 17:11:06 Sooo I'm making a MeeGo UI showcase video to prove that I'm worth to get a reply :) Feb 25 17:11:26 Stskeeps: oh, ok Feb 25 17:11:31 wazd: will you be doing this video on a snowboard at 70MPH? Feb 25 17:12:43 hmm Feb 25 17:12:49 Arif_, he works in the mobile team, but I don't dare to ask that, I'm a friendly guy :D Feb 25 17:12:57 SpeedEvil: basejumping ,) Feb 25 17:12:59 you're a whatnow? Feb 25 17:14:06 The weather in Instanbul is being bad again methink Feb 25 17:14:07 s Feb 25 17:14:22 I'm getting bad reception ={ Feb 25 17:15:50 wazd: I have seen many openings for UI/UX design in Nokia lately Feb 25 17:17:04 VDVsx: I have some applications in to Nokia now, but they are IT infrastructure roles... Feb 25 17:17:17 I have seen nothing for MeeGo that I could do, yet Feb 25 17:17:18 hello Feb 25 17:17:31 * Arif_ is still a student :O Feb 25 17:17:34 some roles available but I cannot relocate to them :( Feb 25 17:18:26 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=PALM&t=5d Palm stock taking heavy hits Feb 25 17:19:23 huh? How is palm still afloat? Feb 25 17:19:30 did anyone analyze nokia stock after meego? Feb 25 17:19:42 hmm. Feb 25 17:19:45 'blocks' Feb 25 17:20:07 Stskeeps: no analysis from me, but I have been buying NOK for some time ;) Feb 25 17:20:17 last time I did I made a very nice profit Feb 25 17:20:22 It seems to me that the collision detection is broken, and you can sometimes fit a block through openings it shoudln't go through if it can fit in the final position. Feb 25 17:20:35 Texrat, really ? Feb 25 17:20:39 bought around $14 and sold at around $30 USD Feb 25 17:20:55 NOK will go up again Feb 25 17:21:15 Texrat, and if you keep the stocks, do you earn anything ? Feb 25 17:21:22 * VDVsx is a stocks noob Feb 25 17:21:26 VDVSX: yes, dividends Feb 25 17:21:28 nokia do pay dividents Feb 25 17:21:43 good dividend too Feb 25 17:21:45 <13WAAFQRH> :\ yeh but you hafto pay tax on the profit Feb 25 17:21:47 <13WAAFQRH> :( Feb 25 17:21:59 not in a retirement account you don't Feb 25 17:22:05 which is where I trade Feb 25 17:22:10 lol Feb 25 17:22:40 Texrat, you sound like a Portuguese now, always making schemes to no pay taxes :D Feb 25 17:22:43 blimey, 50 eurocents a share at last dividend date? Feb 25 17:22:47 Texrat: much praise for both having NOK stock and helping the usb plug issue :) Feb 25 17:23:28 my stock's with barclays Feb 25 17:23:33 * nid0 facepalms Feb 25 17:24:16 wackl: you know, one thing i dont like with marina.. the top bar doesmt merge with the black of the devic Feb 25 17:24:19 e Feb 25 17:24:25 er, wazd Feb 25 17:24:36 and he's not here Feb 25 17:28:19 :hmm: Feb 25 17:37:07 bye all Feb 25 17:37:11 VDVsx: no scheme, that's the way retirement accounts work in the US ;) Feb 25 17:37:40 * Texrat likes Ststkeeps' new nickname for wazd: wackl Feb 25 17:37:58 bergie: hey Feb 25 17:38:15 Texrat, it's the same here, it seems ;) Feb 25 17:38:36 hi Feb 25 17:38:39 * VDVsx knows a new scheme thanks to Texrat :D Feb 25 17:39:18 bergie: for Brainstorm I am considering designing a data model as I see the process... would that be useful? Feb 25 17:39:24 Texrat: Long lagged pong, btw Feb 25 17:39:36 Jaffa: forgot to sign out Feb 25 17:39:45 Texrat: sure... if we're not happy with the existing one Feb 25 17:39:55 running very tired lately Feb 25 17:40:11 wazd: Stskeeps has given you the new nickname wackl Feb 25 17:40:37 bergie: I have not seen the existing Brainstorm data schema... could I? Feb 25 17:41:16 Stskeeps: I love ya too :P Feb 25 17:41:24 Jaffa: did you see my in-process presentation for MeeGo user experience framework? Feb 25 17:41:34 wazd: you know, one thing i dont like with marina.. the top bar doesnt merge with the black of the device Feb 25 17:41:54 Stskeeps: should it?) Feb 25 17:42:24 well, doesn't have to Feb 25 17:42:38 but black is really black on this thing Feb 25 17:42:49 * Texrat is about to conclude lunch break and get back to crap work Feb 25 17:43:06 mmm, lunch at 18:42 Feb 25 17:43:10 Jaffa: http://maemo-daemons.org/MeeGo_User_Experience_Framework.pdf Feb 25 17:43:17 Texrat: http://maemo.org/news/__ais/help/org.maemo.brainstorm/mgdschemas/ Feb 25 17:43:22 Arif: lunch on Texas time ;) Feb 25 17:43:25 Stskeeps: it won't merge anyway cause it's not oan led screen Feb 25 17:43:26 An oled* Feb 25 17:43:30 bergie: :) Feb 25 17:43:32 Hmmm Feb 25 17:43:49 Texrat: Thanks - will look after dinner. Feb 25 17:43:49 stskeeps: can you pm me please?) Feb 25 17:44:26 Anybody knows, if the SDSDQ-016G-E11M (Sandisk microSDHC 16GB) works in N900? Feb 25 17:44:40 why shouldn't it Feb 25 17:45:29 Jaffa: may need your input on further developing app, package and OS metadata Feb 25 17:45:39 because, ever when i bought a memory card it didn't work Feb 25 17:45:47 wazd: done Feb 25 17:45:57 bought a 128mb for my old Nokia 3650 -> didn't work Feb 25 17:46:12 bought a 512mb for my old Nokia 6680 -> didn't work Feb 25 17:46:21 lol Feb 25 17:46:30 you're one unlucky person ;( Feb 25 17:47:02 well, i guess i'm just go to buy one -.- Feb 25 17:47:07 Jaffa: I referenced your donation attributes suggestion but it will likely need to change for MeeGo Feb 25 17:47:20 * Arif_ has a 16GB card working at least Feb 25 17:48:24 Arif_, what model do you have? Feb 25 17:48:35 it's a kingston one Feb 25 17:48:40 don't know the exact model Feb 25 17:48:55 I will be updating the content of the user xp presentation a bit later today Feb 25 17:49:16 got good suggestions yesterday after meego-meeting Feb 25 17:49:20 Is it bad if I attend the Mobile Dev Camp even though I'm really not a programmer? It's like 10 minutes by walk from where I live. Feb 25 17:49:27 how do I stop all hildon-destop stuff? Feb 25 17:49:28 joppu: no Feb 25 17:49:34 :joppu: do it Feb 25 17:49:51 I run /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop, and my widgets are still there Feb 25 17:50:08 Texrat: Thanks, sure will do :) Feb 25 17:51:35 joppu: we developers were just users once too ;) Feb 25 17:52:37 on n900, can I just use dd to backup the entire system like I would with my desktop? Feb 25 17:52:52 walk around complaining about their apps :P Feb 25 17:53:10 Well I actually do have released a few themes :D Feb 25 17:53:24 want to experiment a bit, but I need to restore my system later. Feb 25 17:53:33 jo-erlend, um, why would you be using dd on your desktop? Feb 25 17:53:41 seriously- rsync Feb 25 17:54:26 time to get back to work... later all Feb 25 17:54:36 jo-erlend: just rsync your data to your desktop and then do what you want, if you screw up, just reflash and put your data back Feb 25 17:54:48 systemparadox: to dump the content of a hdd to some other storage in case of failure, for instance. Feb 25 17:54:58 UGH Feb 25 17:55:05 just save the files Feb 25 17:55:07 disk images are silly Feb 25 17:55:14 hmm? Feb 25 17:55:19 stop backing up your pr0n Feb 25 17:55:40 jo-erlend, there is almost never any need to save the partition structure, so why bother? Feb 25 17:55:45 it's alot more work to manually restore everything later... Feb 25 17:55:53 I find the opposite Feb 25 17:56:02 really... Feb 25 17:56:03 often if I'm restoring it'll be to a different disk Feb 25 17:56:15 yes? Feb 25 17:56:21 or I'll have taken the opportunity to resize partitions Feb 25 17:56:46 in any case, I really really don't recommend dd for embedded devices Feb 25 17:56:58 because the partition table is not something you're supposed to be messing with Feb 25 17:56:59 hmm. ok Feb 25 17:57:12 plus, rsync can do nice fast things like incremental backups Feb 25 17:57:56 you have a "backup" button too somewhere... Feb 25 17:57:57 :p Feb 25 17:58:19 yes. I don't know how to restore it when the n900 doesn't have an os though. Feb 25 17:58:30 jo-erlend: you can reflash Feb 25 17:58:42 the pressure sensitive touch screen is magic. how does it survive pockets? Feb 25 17:58:42 ~flash Feb 25 17:58:44 flash is, like, For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap Feb 25 17:58:45 ! Feb 25 17:58:49 I have images on my memory card from my other camera. Is there a way to get to those from the UI (for attaching to emails)? They're in /media/mmc1/Images. Do I just have to copy them all to /media/mmc1/DCIM ?? Feb 25 17:58:54 ....uhm Feb 25 17:58:54 no Feb 25 17:59:02 stupid bot Feb 25 17:59:11 lol Feb 25 17:59:19 ~update Feb 25 17:59:20 ? Feb 25 17:59:21 dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update Feb 25 17:59:21 evilrob: iirc those should get picked up by tracker Feb 25 17:59:26 ... Feb 25 17:59:30 stop Arif_ Feb 25 17:59:36 ~flashing Feb 25 17:59:37 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 25 17:59:43 there you go Feb 25 18:00:06 joppu, you can offer your help as designer to one of the themes ;) Feb 25 18:00:47 pupnik: they were viewable in the photos app, but attachment UI browses through a path. can't get to root. and they're both vfat filesystems so I can't symlink Feb 25 18:01:08 how do I stop all hildon-desktop services? /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to kill widgets and the menubar. Feb 25 18:02:57 evilrob: i dont know that "UI". You can send via email from photo sharing Feb 25 18:03:23 email, add attachment Feb 25 18:03:57 ah sounds like a missing feature. Feb 25 18:04:00 VDVsx: haha, but one of what themes? :P Feb 25 18:04:27 joppu, err, I meant team, lolol Feb 25 18:04:45 perhaps a bug/enhancement report is in order evilrob Feb 25 18:05:21 VDVsx: :D Feb 25 18:05:50 joppu, there's a small IRC channel for the event/contest -> #nokia_mdc Feb 25 18:14:28 рш еруку Feb 25 18:14:34 * hi there Feb 25 18:14:47 which jabber clients for maemo5 you can recommend? Feb 25 18:15:03 (except default and pidgin) Feb 25 18:15:05 maemo5 itself Feb 25 18:15:20 Stskeeps, maemo is OS, not jabber client ;) Feb 25 18:15:32 yes, but it has built in jabber Feb 25 18:15:32 except default and pidgin - I didn't know there actually were other options yet Feb 25 18:15:36 what's wrong with telepathy? Feb 25 18:15:39 ...however it comes with integration for IM Feb 25 18:16:15 and pidgin it self in any platform is kind of half assed stupid bloody... Feb 25 18:16:23 * Myrtti huggles bitlbee+irssi Feb 25 18:16:27 jo-erlend, all is fine, except contact manager doesn't support gruopchats, can't hide offline contacts and can't change "priority" Feb 25 18:17:06 I want to start using bitlbee but I'd need to rethink my window layout Feb 25 18:17:12 And key bindings Feb 25 18:17:19 I don't have space for IM windows D: Feb 25 18:17:37 Lumpio-: bitlbee as window 2 and split windows with that window is on the upper split Feb 25 18:17:48 *sigh* Feb 25 18:17:57 >_> Feb 25 18:17:58 with that bitlbee channel window Feb 25 18:18:07 Does that really work nicely on a small-ish screen Feb 25 18:18:20 sure, do you want me to take a screenshot? Feb 25 18:18:33 I don't know if I've got a screenshot tool installed on my n800, let me check Feb 25 18:18:52 I guess that one didn't have a global hotkey for it like the newer ones Feb 25 18:18:57 (Newer as in N900 >_>) Feb 25 18:20:31 humdidum Feb 25 18:20:56 aww, no ctrl shift p in the N800? Feb 25 18:21:26 you should demand a firmware update to Maemo5 :( Feb 25 18:24:49 Arif_, how would that work Feb 25 18:25:09 what? Feb 25 18:25:15 forced update Feb 25 18:25:24 err not forced Feb 25 18:25:27 but you know what i mean Feb 25 18:25:50 Myrtti should demand an update to maemo 5 on the N800 to use ctrl shift p :P Feb 25 18:26:11 either that, or just patch the current screenshot tool to support same thing Feb 25 18:26:15 i do like screenshots Feb 25 18:26:31 just like everyone is complaining about Maemo 6 on the N900 Feb 25 18:26:33 :) Feb 25 18:29:39 Arif_: maybe because Maemo 5 is so great :-) Feb 25 18:29:49 =) Feb 25 18:29:49 Arif_: where do you guys have all the information about Maemo 6? Feb 25 18:30:14 *humdidumdidum* Feb 25 18:30:29 hi Feb 25 18:30:34 * lcuk gets Myrtti a coffee Feb 25 18:30:37 what information? Feb 25 18:30:42 I just make things up :P Feb 25 18:30:54 Markus23: maemo 6 is made of cheesecake Feb 25 18:31:36 w00t i got another fp on slash Feb 25 18:31:36 I hear they're making a chocolate flavor too Feb 25 18:31:39 Arif_: so people complain about Maemo 6 on n900 without having any information about it? Feb 25 18:31:48 yes Feb 25 18:31:50 exactly Feb 25 18:32:30 complaining is awesome Feb 25 18:32:32 you should try it Feb 25 18:33:02 I think Nokia could learn something from apple - there are also lots of rumours there, but they are mainly positive :-) Feb 25 18:33:03 <|R> haha Feb 25 18:33:29 Arif_: I am rather looking forward to the next update :-) Feb 25 18:33:37 yeah, but the actual product sucks unlike Nokia's :p Feb 25 18:33:42 oh god, the neverending Apple vs. Nokia battle Feb 25 18:33:47 * Myrtti gets the popcorn Feb 25 18:33:57 * Arif_ steals Myrtti's popcorn Feb 25 18:34:07 * lcuk dips into the popcorn also Feb 25 18:34:19 Myrtti: no, I only pointed out that Apple controls the rumours better then Nokia, nothing about the products :-) Feb 25 18:34:58 I remember the iPad rumors Feb 25 18:35:02 about real products there are no rumours :-) Feb 25 18:35:04 so... rumour has it that Apple has superior rumour control than Nokia Feb 25 18:35:21 Mediamarkt DE leaked it'd be 500€ Feb 25 18:35:41 it was 450€ for the 3Gless 8GB version Feb 25 18:35:42 everyone has seen this, right? http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=41296440 Feb 25 18:35:44 heh. is that a tautology perhaps? :p Feb 25 18:35:49 and the 3G 32GB version was like 900€ Feb 25 18:35:49 lol Feb 25 18:36:04 anyone here know how to do dh_make on gentoo linux? can't find a package for 'debianizing' my src package :/ Feb 25 18:36:15 I heard nothing about n900 before it was released Feb 25 18:36:19 Myrtti, does it fly? Feb 25 18:36:19 Myrtti o_O Feb 25 18:36:29 and unfortunately I hear a lot about apple products before they release :-) Feb 25 18:37:43 Milo-: say what? Feb 25 18:38:09 luke-jr reading qt packaging guide for maemo, and it says I have to do dh_make to debianize my package.. Feb 25 18:38:16 can't find dh_make for gentoo Feb 25 18:39:51 Milo-, find some project that already has debian/* stuff and steal it Feb 25 18:39:57 :P Feb 25 18:40:04 much less pain in the ass Feb 25 18:41:27 heh Feb 25 18:41:41 it does say you have to modify it manually anyways :P Feb 25 18:41:59 Milo-: Gentoo isn't Debian Feb 25 18:42:00 Lumpio-: the tag is a bit weird, but anyway http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/tags/panucci/ Feb 25 18:42:05 luke-jr I know Feb 25 18:42:06 ... Feb 25 18:42:58 oo, hm Feb 25 18:43:03 I guess that could work Feb 25 18:43:25 Just need to configure the split properly (not really used to them in irssi) Feb 25 18:43:33 /w new split Feb 25 18:43:39 I wonder if bitlbee does file transfers yet Feb 25 18:43:48 then just move the window you want with /window move up to the upper split Feb 25 18:43:55 hmm Feb 25 18:44:00 /save and /layout save and tadah Feb 25 18:44:26 I also have couple of nifty scripts that put stuff on my statusbar Feb 25 18:44:49 but yeah, this is how I roll Feb 25 18:44:57 have since 200... er, 2005 Feb 25 18:45:02 oh god I feel old Feb 25 18:45:11 how old? ;P Feb 25 18:45:39 considering it's approximately 14-15 years since I started using IRC... very old Feb 25 18:45:54 wow Feb 25 18:45:55 My oldest IRC logs are from 2001 I think... Feb 25 18:45:55 Oh Feb 25 18:45:58 you ARE old! Feb 25 18:46:05 Arif_: like 5 years after the release date Feb 25 18:46:07 I wish I was born earlier :( Feb 25 18:46:08 :O Feb 25 18:46:09 yeah, I turn 30 this year. Feb 25 18:46:22 :) Oke Feb 25 18:46:31 Myrtti: Are you going to throw a party or what? Feb 25 18:46:51 anybody knows how to debug the fact that my SIM card does not allow data roaming? I can imagine that it's a provider issue, but still... Feb 25 18:46:59 dassu: nah, I don't want to get wrinkle cream and I've got plenty of knitting pins and yarn already Feb 25 18:47:06 Myrtti, which country will you be in on birthday Feb 25 18:47:13 lcuk: I have no idea Feb 25 18:47:15 cos if you are in uk you can have a tea party Feb 25 18:47:28 and a weed party in .nl? Feb 25 18:47:30 :D tea party seems gay Feb 25 18:47:34 *sounds Feb 25 18:47:40 dassu: and what's wrong with that? Feb 25 18:47:47 But most likely the only parties I will ever attend :( Feb 25 18:48:00 Myrtti: Well. No music and people dancing Feb 25 18:48:02 * Myrtti dreams of a nice cup of tea, scones, clotted cream, strawberry jam... Feb 25 18:48:04 mmm Feb 25 18:48:05 nom Feb 25 18:48:06 andre__, my Turkcell sim doesn't even allow cell calls outside Turkey ;o Feb 25 18:48:08 tea parties ♥ Feb 25 18:48:17 dassu, Myrtti is fem Feb 25 18:48:30 orly? Feb 25 18:48:31 ladies are allowed to have them Feb 25 18:48:36 you put jam in your tea? Feb 25 18:48:42 Arif_: on the scone Feb 25 18:48:51 Arif_: apparently russians put jam in their tea Feb 25 18:49:03 I prefer Turkish tea Feb 25 18:49:07 o.o Feb 25 18:49:09 Arif_, uhm :-( Calls mostly work. Still I wonder if I can get some output... currently it simply silently fails... Feb 25 18:49:17 which is also shitty from a user POV Feb 25 18:50:00 some providers here in .nl let you enable/disable roaming, more than that I don't know though :( Feb 25 18:51:09 * Myrtti searches for the most cliche screenshot of her collection http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2846509938 Feb 25 18:51:31 no, that doesn't have pink bliss in my emacs yet Feb 25 18:51:34 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2856684660 Feb 25 18:51:37 there you go Feb 25 18:52:10 too much pink :P Feb 25 18:52:15 lcuk: you should say because instead of cos, cos it's proper english Feb 25 18:52:31 and doesn't cause highlights Feb 25 18:53:21 Myrtti: Purple! Ponies! Feb 25 18:55:17 anyway Feb 25 18:57:26 lol sorry cos^ Feb 25 18:57:31 i didnt realise you were lurking Feb 25 18:57:59 was watching #ubuntu the other day and there was a guy that abbreviated bloody everything Feb 25 18:58:14 :) Feb 25 18:58:28 hy hw ru? Feb 25 18:58:31 I had to think for three minutes what he meant with s. a. install emacs Feb 25 18:58:40 i wonder why irssi doesn't require ^ for highlight Feb 25 18:59:05 cos you probably set cos as a specific highlight Feb 25 18:59:11 like i have bacon tagged Feb 25 18:59:16 I've got pink Feb 25 18:59:27 * Arif_ notes this down for later Feb 25 18:59:38 speaking of which Myrtti i have a pink case Feb 25 18:59:39 so if i say pink bacon.... Feb 25 18:59:40 a friend of mine has marmite Feb 25 18:59:43 just nothing to go inside it Feb 25 19:02:42 lcuk: ...pink? Feb 25 19:03:26 w00t, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOT-PINK-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150394071202QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item23042f68a2 Feb 25 19:03:34 is for tracy Feb 25 19:03:43 LOL Feb 25 19:03:49 i want one Feb 25 19:03:51 waiting for something to fill it tho :) Feb 25 19:03:52 ehm Feb 25 19:03:53 eww Feb 25 19:04:00 * w00t will buy one! Feb 25 19:04:15 * Arif_ stays away from w00t Feb 25 19:04:16 :P Feb 25 19:04:39 I'll prolly knit my own Feb 25 19:04:50 I've been planning to knit one for my N800 for a year now Feb 25 19:05:16 why don't you make a pink case for it instead? Feb 25 19:05:40 Arif_: yarn comes in multiple colours, dear. Feb 25 19:06:05 paint your case different colors! Feb 25 19:15:03 so there seem to be two adblock plus packages Feb 25 19:15:15 one from browser-extras, one from maemo-extras Feb 25 19:15:22 what's up with that? Feb 25 19:15:32 also only one of them seems to work Feb 25 19:20:04 corecode: which one? Feb 25 19:20:12 if i knew Feb 25 19:20:20 i don't even know how to test Feb 25 19:20:27 which page has ads? Feb 25 19:24:11 jeebus Feb 25 19:24:14 my phone is running slow Feb 25 19:24:32 yea Feb 25 19:24:54 did anybody succeed in sharing passwords between desktop firefox and microb? Feb 25 19:25:03 i copied the sqlite db, but didn't seem to work Feb 25 19:30:01 oh wow Feb 25 19:30:10 my catalogs just all disappeared :/ Feb 25 19:30:11 * Myrtti kicks google mail Feb 25 19:30:53 gah. sources.list is empty Feb 25 19:35:30 /etc/apt/sources.list is supposed to be empty Feb 25 19:35:36 yea Feb 25 19:35:38 i just noticed Feb 25 19:35:43 did an apt-get update manually Feb 25 19:35:57 somehow the database was corrupted Feb 25 19:37:01 seems you have to restart browser a couple times Feb 25 19:59:55 Where should I report bugs for the libalarm python bindings? Feb 25 20:00:37 Shapeshifter, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo Feb 25 20:00:38 http://gizmodo.com/5477704/when-its-okay-to-pay-for-an-app Feb 25 20:00:43 baraujo: thanks Feb 25 20:00:46 What is going on there anyway? Feb 25 20:00:58 Why is everyone so eager to be present in Apple AppStore? Feb 25 20:04:23 RST38h, another fart app? Feb 25 20:10:17 poor lizardo Feb 25 20:10:28 receives so many python bugs Feb 25 20:10:55 Shapeshifter: I'm just the default assignee :P (must be a real user...) Feb 25 20:11:15 lizardo: ;) Feb 25 20:12:00 Does anyone by any chance know a guide how to generally submit bugs? I think I already know the code problem to this one https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9277 Feb 25 20:12:01 Bug 9277: can't action.set_dbus_args() because of bug in alarm.pyx (line 191) Feb 25 20:21:01 Shapeshifter: I didn't understand the question Feb 25 20:21:40 Shapeshifter: the fix is obvious as you said, so we will fix it ASAP :) Feb 25 20:23:18 lizardo: thanks :) I'm having a hard time finding out where on the device alarm.pyx is stored even. It obviously aint /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages. I tried looking in /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib and using find but I can't find it. Feb 25 20:23:49 Shapeshifter: it is a source file for cython (a binding generation tool) Feb 25 20:24:01 Shapeshifter: you will not find it on the device, only on the sources Feb 25 20:24:06 cython is more than a binding generation tool Feb 25 20:24:09 lizardo: ohh okay. Feb 25 20:26:00 you can write full python extensions in cython, maybe even write your whole program if you want Feb 25 20:27:01 villager: sure, but in this case it is being used as a binding generatio tool (that's what I meant :) Feb 25 20:27:10 I've used cython to speed up some core parts of one of my python programs Feb 25 20:32:12 btw; does someone know what I need to set for libalarm to have an infinite number of recurrences? I can set event.recurrences_left to something > 0 and it will work fine for that number of times, but if I set it to 0 it will raise and error "alarm_event_is_sane: recurrence_cnt > 0 and recur_count = 0" Feb 25 20:32:48 set it to 2^32-1? Feb 25 20:33:08 I'll certainly live longer than that, har har Feb 25 20:33:56 is there a zsh pkg? Feb 25 20:34:15 corecode: I think not. Feb 25 20:34:40 "...shows a high amount of wear with several unidentified teeth marks, presumably made by children." Feb 25 20:35:14 barbie? Feb 25 20:37:42 hm Feb 25 20:37:50 copying signons.sqlite doesn't seem to work Feb 25 20:37:52 :/ Feb 25 20:39:31 maemo is debian with X-window system, so a normal application written in Xlib should work in maemo, or not?! Feb 25 20:39:55 RST38h: I thought it was http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology.paleo/browse_thread/thread/51c00ccac90d7905/56108578cd3411d7?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=barbie+hominid#56108578cd3411d7 Feb 25 20:39:56 Shapeshifter: I think the official way is to set it to -1 Feb 25 20:40:07 Shapeshifter: at least my code does... Feb 25 20:40:28 I think I got it from some example Feb 25 20:42:20 villager: ahh, thanks. Feb 25 20:42:48 S[eed: oh yeeaaaah Feb 25 20:43:01 hmm yes, the libalarm docs do say -1 = infinite Feb 25 20:43:34 there have been good debrided corpse studies on that Feb 25 20:43:36 oops Feb 25 20:46:58 yuck Feb 25 20:47:30 hey, anyone can reply to me? Feb 25 20:47:44 can anybody recommend good small BT keyboard that works with n900 Feb 25 20:47:45 rendar Feb 25 20:47:46 hi Feb 25 20:47:49 i was thinking about mac keyboard Feb 25 20:47:56 hi shinkamui :) Feb 25 20:48:12 jacekowski, dealextreme? Feb 25 20:48:19 UK Feb 25 20:48:28 man, I love me some dealextreme stuff Feb 25 20:48:29 dealextreme ships to UK :P Feb 25 20:48:31 dirt cheap Feb 25 20:48:37 is armel little or big endian? Feb 25 20:48:42 corecode: el Feb 25 20:48:44 unfortunately they wont ship lasers into the US Feb 25 20:48:49 what is el? Feb 25 20:48:51 corecode: endianess little Feb 25 20:48:51 we have some gay law about lasers that can cut paper Feb 25 20:48:53 ah Feb 25 20:49:01 could also mean embedded linux :) Feb 25 20:49:26 I have one of those green lasers that pop balloons Feb 25 20:50:42 post good dx links Feb 25 20:50:54 go browse it :P Feb 25 20:50:59 haha Feb 25 20:51:00 forever Feb 25 20:51:14 yeeeeey! Feb 25 20:51:14 I bought a blueray laser that is supposed to be able to burn dark paper Feb 25 20:51:15 it worked Feb 25 20:51:30 what did? Feb 25 20:51:35 the two cr2 batteries only last about 8 minutes Feb 25 20:51:45 if you copy signons.sqlite and key3.db from .mozilla/firefox/* to maemo's .mozilla/microb Feb 25 20:51:48 never burned anything Feb 25 20:51:49 you will have all auth info Feb 25 20:51:53 but the beam is visible in daylight Feb 25 20:51:55 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685 Feb 25 20:51:56 ! Feb 25 20:52:35 you know maemo5 doesn't support bluetooth keyboards out of the box, right? Feb 25 20:52:44 ShadowJK: afaik it does Feb 25 20:52:46 now I do Feb 25 20:52:50 ShadowJK: it doesn't support apple keyboard Feb 25 20:52:54 hm Feb 25 20:52:59 should i write about this spectacular finding somewhere? Feb 25 20:53:00 talks? Feb 25 20:53:04 is there a better place? Feb 25 20:53:04 but standard bluetooth keybaords are supported ootb Feb 25 20:53:06 Apple sucks Feb 25 20:53:07 it should be simple to enable it though Feb 25 20:53:26 enable for normal bluetooth keyboards if they arent supported ootb Feb 25 20:53:41 it's simple to enable apple keyboards as well Feb 25 20:53:50 you just need to add kernel module Feb 25 20:53:54 I don't want to buy a 20€ keyboard for 80€ with an ugly half eaten apple picture on it Feb 25 20:53:55 ;P Feb 25 20:53:57 oh really? Feb 25 20:54:04 what kernel module? Feb 25 20:54:22 Arif_: apple keyboard have one advantage over other keyboards i've seen, it's more robust and it's smaller Feb 25 20:54:30 RST38h: apple-hid Feb 25 20:54:42 nothing from DX is robust Feb 25 20:54:49 how is it different from normal hid btw? Feb 25 20:55:03 Arif_: It's only $20 if there's an equal one for that price... Feb 25 20:55:33 RST38h, it will refuse to work on non apple devices :P Feb 25 20:55:41 unless you leethax it Feb 25 20:58:19 * RST38h sighs Feb 25 20:58:25 * SpeedEvil is using a screen protector from dx, has a lighter from dx on his keyring, and is typing through a usb-ps2 converter from there. Oh - and the 1G sd in my n900 is from there too. Feb 25 20:58:40 so, to understand better, still no end-user ready .deb package to make the eivl apple kbd work? Feb 25 20:59:13 SpeedEvil, I have serveral card readers, lasers, lighters, flashlights and whatnot from there Feb 25 20:59:14 :D Feb 25 20:59:33 only bad experience I had was with an FM transmitter which was bad Feb 25 21:00:55 I have quite a bit of dx stuff as well, usb chargers, bluetooth mice, photography stuff, laser, etc. etc. most of it is excelent for the price Feb 25 21:01:09 oh right Feb 25 21:01:13 I have tons of cables from DX! Feb 25 21:01:48 o/ Feb 25 21:01:57 too bad it takes 4 years for items to ship XD Feb 25 21:02:07 * Arif_ throws DX packaging at mrmg Feb 25 21:02:47 does mouse work well with N900? Feb 25 21:03:24 * mrmg drops it as he wasn't expecting the pass Feb 25 21:03:49 ime things that are "immediately" ship fairly quickly Feb 25 21:03:54 everything else is pure chance Feb 25 21:03:56 HuuGo: i use pc mouse with n900 via synergy Feb 25 21:04:49 pupnik: someone told me pointer jumps from one edge to another Feb 25 21:06:28 how exactly do you use a mouse on the N900? Feb 25 21:07:21 HuuGo: smooth here Feb 25 21:07:59 install synergy on pc and n900. set up config. then when you move mouse over edge of screen it appears on n900 Feb 25 21:08:33 no I meant Feb 25 21:08:35 what use is it? Feb 25 21:08:46 do you get a pointer on the N900 screen? Feb 25 21:08:51 yes Feb 25 21:09:14 I didn't get a pointer. :-( Feb 25 21:09:20 aw Feb 25 21:09:30 you just click randomly untill you get where you are ? :D Feb 25 21:09:56 mrmg: need to swap a real pointer for the n900s blank pointer Feb 25 21:10:58 pupnik_: where do I do that? Feb 25 21:11:43 you got synergy set up? Feb 25 21:11:46 hello, is the source code of maemo which runs in Nokia N900 available somewhere? Feb 25 21:12:00 yes Feb 25 21:12:29 where? Feb 25 21:12:32 pupnik_: yeah Feb 25 21:12:49 alright i am cooking .. will find in a bit Feb 25 21:13:25 ty Feb 25 21:13:29 maemo.gitorious.org Feb 25 21:15:28 Take0n, there open components and closed components Feb 25 21:16:06 SpeedEvil: the nasty thing is you obviously can't stop cam from kicking in when slider opens, as that's mce and preloaded cma app, or so I'm told Feb 25 21:17:02 also I have no idea how to "start" cam in still / video mode forced Feb 25 21:18:00 I read recently about a linux port to Sonyericsson X1 and try to understand how it was done.. I have a nokia N97 which runs symbian but should be able to boot linux, at least without X.. but don't know how it works so wanted to take a look at the source code of maemo :P Feb 25 21:18:29 You got an N97? Feb 25 21:18:29 hopefully I will still have a phone tomorrow Feb 25 21:18:31 poor you ;p Feb 25 21:18:33 s/cma/cam Feb 25 21:18:36 yeah I know :P Feb 25 21:18:53 S60v5 needs moar coreplayer Feb 25 21:18:54 Take0n, on N97 the biggest problem is figuring out how to flash something on there, and how to get the bootloader to load a linux kernel Feb 25 21:18:58 So far nobody has figured it out Feb 25 21:19:29 you should wait for Symbian^3 and ^4 and play around with the source Feb 25 21:19:30 ;p Feb 25 21:19:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture <- Even on Maemo Devices, the bootloader (nolo) and flasher are closed source components :) Feb 25 21:19:52 DocScrutinizer: yea, i keep having that issue with mbarcode Feb 25 21:20:11 And on Maemo Devices we've of course got the bootloader setup to boot our kernel, and the flasher (available for both win and lin) knows how to flash a new kernel of our choice.. Feb 25 21:20:30 but isn't it possible to somehow move the bootloader? :P Feb 25 21:20:38 corecode: yup. SpeedEvil and me talkinfg bout flashlight improvement, but same problem basically Feb 25 21:20:50 I am trying to find tutorials or manuals on how such ports are being done.. Feb 25 21:21:12 DocScrutinizer: although the camera app just closes Feb 25 21:21:18 Arif_, I know.. I still wait for a 5th ed coreplayer release.. :\ Feb 25 21:21:24 is there some way to right click in dosbox on n900 Feb 25 21:21:37 Take0n, that was the ONLY reason I held back on buying an N97 Feb 25 21:22:01 * Arif_ must listen to internet radio ! Feb 25 21:22:19 Arif_, I read that it could play HD videos etc so I assumed (how stupid could I be) that it should actually play them.. Feb 25 21:22:24 but.. it doesnt Feb 25 21:22:31 it does Feb 25 21:22:42 on the N95 at least Feb 25 21:23:13 SpeedEvil: I'm pondering to completely RE that piece of sh** called mce Feb 25 21:23:32 did you already swap the blank x pointer mrmg Feb 25 21:23:54 just too many hardcoded things in there Feb 25 21:24:00 Kegetys, should be.. I was able to do it with my N95 running win95 Feb 25 21:24:06 if that's what you mean Feb 25 21:24:49 ShadowJK, thanks, at least I know what to look for Feb 25 21:25:34 mrmg: take a visible x-pointer and swap it in for /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp then open browser and go to a site with flash. x-pointer will appear Feb 25 21:25:36 hmm Feb 25 21:25:38 I feel stupid again Feb 25 21:25:44 I can't find where I can see how much data I've used Feb 25 21:25:46 :( Feb 25 21:26:16 du -h? Feb 25 21:26:38 Arif_: used in communicating over wireless, or used in internal flash? Feb 25 21:27:07 over 3G/wifi Feb 25 21:27:21 oh. Feb 25 21:27:45 anyone here that have installed showtime? Feb 25 21:28:29 Arif_ go to "settings" app, then click on "phone" then scroll down to network - you should see a data counter button Feb 25 21:28:48 Arif_, Settings -> Phone -> Data Counter gives you the 3g figures atleast Feb 25 21:29:04 ha, I was looking in settings>internet connections Feb 25 21:29:20 * Arif_ still used to symbian :) Feb 25 21:29:28 i would like that data counter to reset every month Feb 25 21:29:30 thanks guys :D Feb 25 21:30:19 hmm, any idea why my init.d script is not picked up? Feb 25 21:30:27 it is symlinked in rc2* Feb 25 21:30:30 Received: ~5.3GB Feb 25 21:30:33 Sentri: 500MB Feb 25 21:30:39 Sent* Feb 25 21:30:49 not bad for about two weeks Feb 25 21:31:00 and that's only over 3G! Feb 25 21:31:05 I have 17gigs since december.. Feb 25 21:31:24 woah Feb 25 21:31:25 I guess we both use a lot of data =} Feb 25 21:32:06 how to you pronounce "maemo"? Feb 25 21:32:18 wow Arif_. My total since november is 550MB Feb 25 21:32:23 Mæmo? :) Feb 25 21:32:32 pupnik, do you have a cap? Feb 25 21:32:35 so it is Me i mo ? Feb 25 21:32:48 * ShadowJK says it ma e mo Feb 25 21:32:56 mämo Feb 25 21:33:00 i'd say Feb 25 21:33:02 moomo? Feb 25 21:33:03 mæmo! Feb 25 21:33:09 MAH-eh-mo Feb 25 21:33:23 12.5/70.3 MB Feb 25 21:33:25 combined Feb 25 21:33:25 Arif_: 500MB/month Feb 25 21:33:25 mE i mo or mA e mo? Feb 25 21:33:26 that's okay Feb 25 21:33:27 :P Feb 25 21:33:31 i have a 1GB cap Feb 25 21:33:42 Take0n, that. "æ" is pronouced like the a in "that", only longer. Feb 25 21:33:42 tho sip via 3g doesn't seem to work 100% Feb 25 21:33:43 I get slowed down after 2GB of use Feb 25 21:33:49 äääää Feb 25 21:34:05 Arif_: where are you? Feb 25 21:34:09 but that doesn't stop me from streaming videos and radio :D Feb 25 21:34:15 Netherlands Feb 25 21:34:19 and the "e" like e in "they"? Feb 25 21:34:53 There's only one provider here (TMobile) with unlimited data usage Feb 25 21:34:54 Take0n, no, the a and e, combined, makes "Æ", which itself is pronouced like the "a" in "that", only longer. Feb 25 21:34:58 mmm Feb 25 21:35:06 oh ok Feb 25 21:35:09 thanks Feb 25 21:35:13 Take0n, that is, in Norwegian :> Feb 25 21:35:29 jo-erlend_, like a sheep? :P Feb 25 21:35:30 how do you pronounce maelstrom? Feb 25 21:35:35 which should be almost the same in swedish? :P Feb 25 21:35:35 looks like Ovi's billing system shares info with the rest of Nokia's failure of a billing system Feb 25 21:35:37 Arif_, pardon? Feb 25 21:35:45 the ae symbol Feb 25 21:35:47 always fun to get a "card rejected" notice Feb 25 21:35:48 :) Feb 25 21:35:50 Take0n, they don't have that letter, but the sound is similar, yes. Feb 25 21:36:01 got it Feb 25 21:36:24 =) Feb 25 21:36:39 the swedes uses ä when we use æ. Feb 25 21:36:54 hmm Feb 25 21:37:00 Ovi put the sharing plugins at the top again Feb 25 21:37:18 Add some new apps you lazy Fins! Feb 25 21:37:46 fish have fins Feb 25 21:38:37 Finns then? Feb 25 21:39:24 putting applications to ovi store is a pain in the ass Feb 25 21:39:28 because of the signing requirement Feb 25 21:39:45 Moomo has signing too? Feb 25 21:40:01 * Arif_ didn't know that... Feb 25 21:40:08 hmm, probably didn't :P Feb 25 21:41:21 hmm Feb 25 21:41:39 nokia's cutting out billing quick, not even a temporary charge on my card Feb 25 21:42:31 billing? Feb 25 21:43:45 whut? Feb 25 21:44:19 Arif_, DangerMaus: you're observing the results of someone attempting to use ovi store Feb 25 21:44:33 what command do you guys use for the addgroup Feb 25 21:44:35 I'd try to use ovi store too Feb 25 21:44:41 there's one little problem though Feb 25 21:45:12 ahhh... Feb 25 21:45:26 dassu, group? :o Feb 25 21:45:53 groupadd Feb 25 21:45:58 I c Feb 25 21:46:10 otherway around Feb 25 21:47:23 so is it reasonably easy to flash one's own kernel? Feb 25 21:47:32 i find myself missing ipv6 Feb 25 21:47:49 heh Feb 25 21:48:57 the flashing utility can flash just the kernel Feb 25 21:49:38 anybody have an integrated note-taking/sychronization thing for desktop+maemo? Feb 25 21:49:38 'counterintelligence' is an unintended joke, isn't it Feb 25 21:52:22 * Arif_ yawns Feb 25 21:52:23 well, i suspect busybox will need recompiling too Feb 25 21:52:46 had the same issue on my adsl modem! Feb 25 21:53:47 is it so hard for people to provide ipv6 as a module in the default kernel, and compile support into iuserspace? :( Feb 25 21:54:26 why ipv6? Feb 25 21:54:43 eh? why not? Feb 25 21:55:03 woot got the sshfs to work Feb 25 21:55:23 I'm just wondering why you're missing it. Feb 25 21:56:00 so one can do mobile ipv6 Feb 25 21:56:13 which is kind of good for a mobile device Feb 25 21:56:29 but ip6 in general is relevant /now/ Feb 25 21:56:35 do the telcos support it? Feb 25 21:57:05 luke-jr yep, flashing my phone fixed that issue. A damn PITA though Feb 25 21:57:12 ..... Feb 25 21:59:31 villager, the last mile are the only real stopouts Feb 25 21:59:52 Nokia is a big supported of IPv6 too Feb 25 21:59:57 I'm doing something stupid, but I'mnot sure what. From laptop. ssh root@phone - works fine with key. ssh user@phone requires me to login. cp /root/.ssh/* to ~user/.ssh/ - and still broken. Feb 25 22:00:00 for battery saving reasons :) Feb 25 22:00:06 thoughts? Feb 25 22:00:12 us cable has the excuse that docsis 2 gets in the way; everyone else is stalling Feb 25 22:00:20 user has a password set Feb 25 22:00:26 dassu: interesting. Any tips? Feb 25 22:00:31 SpeedEvil, ssh is picky about ownership and permissions on ~/.ssh and the contents Feb 25 22:00:42 ShadowJK: not it Feb 25 22:00:46 yum, good hotel food Feb 25 22:01:01 perms 600, owned by user,users Feb 25 22:01:41 perm of .ssh is 700 - same as /root/.ssh Feb 25 22:01:41 SpeedEvil: check .ssh and aithkey for 600 Feb 25 22:01:57 authorized keys as well Feb 25 22:02:05 also check owner Feb 25 22:02:17 DocScrutinizer: it is in the testing but you need to install it through cmdline Feb 25 22:02:29 dassu: thanks Feb 25 22:03:43 perms are as in http://pastebin.ca/1810831 - which look identical to me between root and user Feb 25 22:06:40 SpeedEvil: no idea :-/ Feb 25 22:07:31 oh Feb 25 22:07:38 Nokia is coming out with another DVBH phone Feb 25 22:07:43 .......who the hell uses DVBH? Feb 25 22:09:15 odd. Feb 25 22:09:54 sshd is opening - the identical - ~/.ssh/authorised_keys - files - in each case - user and root - and demanding password for user Feb 25 22:10:28 drwx------ 2 user users 4096 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh Feb 25 22:10:29 -rw------- 1 user users 1115 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys Feb 25 22:10:39 works here Feb 25 22:11:28 SpeedEvil: you have a password for user? Feb 25 22:11:31 SpeedEvil: did you replace the "user:!" with * in /etc/passwd? Feb 25 22:12:15 lupine_85: install the kernel-flasher-maemo from extras-devel Feb 25 22:13:01 DocScrutinizer yes Feb 25 22:13:33 user:zE1Llofish5R.:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh Feb 25 22:13:37 t-tan: Feb 25 22:13:42 hmm, somebody reported this afternoon "!" in etc/passwd doesn't work with ssh Feb 25 22:13:44 * SpeedEvil is puzzled. Feb 25 22:13:56 strange Feb 25 22:14:15 SpeedEvil: sorry, check your IP Feb 25 22:14:16 sure. "!" means disable login Feb 25 22:14:39 ip? Feb 25 22:15:02 I assume you're ssh to the N900 via IP Feb 25 22:15:05 yes Feb 25 22:15:20 ssh to root@phone works. no password needed - key logs me in. Feb 25 22:15:34 I frequently get puzzled by my AProuter mixing up the DHCP IPs Feb 25 22:15:50 ssh to user@phone sshd reads /home/user/.ssh/.authorized_keys - and ssh asks for password Feb 25 22:16:11 can you log in with correct password? Feb 25 22:17:30 yes Feb 25 22:17:57 then I'm completely out of ideas Feb 25 22:17:58 is the pubkey in authorized_keys2 ? Feb 25 22:18:05 erm, fingerprint Feb 25 22:18:30 lupine_85: I've copied roots ~/.ssh directory totally, after blowing away the old copt Feb 25 22:18:32 y Feb 25 22:18:35 what are the permissions of /home/user ? Feb 25 22:18:59 777 Feb 25 22:19:02 hmm Feb 25 22:19:03 perms of home/user shouldn't matter Feb 25 22:19:20 I wouldn't have thought so either Feb 25 22:19:34 AFAIK 777 didn't work me once Feb 25 22:19:38 try 755 Feb 25 22:20:08 my /home/user is 755, by default Feb 25 22:20:36 * SpeedEvil hugs t-tan. Feb 25 22:20:36 here as well Feb 25 22:20:40 :) Feb 25 22:20:58 Some message as to why it was dissalowing'd have been nice. Feb 25 22:21:09 YEP Feb 25 22:21:15 I diddn't think perms on ~ would have mattered. Feb 25 22:21:20 ~lart ssh Feb 25 22:21:21 * infobot raises middle finger to ssh Feb 25 22:21:41 sure. it makes sense. otherwise someone else could replace your .ssh Feb 25 22:21:57 wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ? Feb 25 22:22:01 * ShadowJK pats pats ssh Feb 25 22:22:40 t-tan: I suppose so Feb 25 22:22:48 DocScrutinizer: no - ~ Feb 25 22:22:56 good somebody is doing a crusade against chmod 777 user Feb 25 22:23:33 I'm about 40% sure it started after installing the nokia survey app. Feb 25 22:23:57 I'm completely missing the rationale about disallowing 777 on *destination* system ~ Feb 25 22:24:54 DocScrutinizer: I think the rationale is if ~ is 777, you can't trust ~/.ssh Feb 25 22:24:57 at least if .ssh is correctly set to 500 Feb 25 22:25:25 But if ~ is 777, can't the attacker also set it to 755 Feb 25 22:25:28 hmm Feb 25 22:26:16 no. Feb 25 22:26:38 iirc, chmod still is limited to owner Feb 25 22:26:43 * satmd tests Feb 25 22:26:44 if ~ is 777 they can just delete and recreate .ssh? Feb 25 22:26:47 only anarchists set 777. the don't a secure shell anyway :D Feb 25 22:27:04 IIRC chown isn't though Feb 25 22:27:12 so you can chmod it then chown it Feb 25 22:27:14 s/the don't/they don't need/ Feb 25 22:27:14 t-tan meant: only anarchists set 777. they don't need a secure shell anyway :D Feb 25 22:27:19 I tried Feb 25 22:27:28 neither chown nor chmod worked on the file Feb 25 22:27:33 if I wasn't the owner Feb 25 22:27:45 and I wasn't able to change the owner either Feb 25 22:27:53 [2010-02-25 23:21:56] wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ? Feb 25 22:28:01 still... never ever do 777 Feb 25 22:28:03 .ssh had the right perms Feb 25 22:28:04 no exceptions Feb 25 22:28:13 I'm about 50% sure I never did 777 Feb 25 22:28:17 .ssh should be 0700 Feb 25 22:28:27 yeah, with ~ 777 anyone can delete .ssh and remake it Feb 25 22:28:31 * SpeedEvil wonders if any postinstall scripts are around. Feb 25 22:30:18 hmmm Feb 25 22:32:30 from man sshd: .ssh: the recommended permissions are read/write/execute for the user, and not accessible by others Feb 25 22:33:06 LuserN800: yes - it's not .ssh Feb 25 22:33:10 LuserN800: it's ~ Feb 25 22:34:53 yeah **recommended**, no word about mandatory, especially for authorized_keys. It even says low risk for that file Feb 25 22:35:18 Jaffa, I should have time Sunday morning. Feb 25 22:35:23 SpeedEvil, well, if ~ is writable, then .ssh is erasable, accessible. or? Feb 25 22:35:30 still if you set authorized_keys 744 it won't work Feb 25 22:36:29 yes Feb 25 22:39:07 .ssh 0700, the files within 0400 Feb 25 22:39:26 and owner/group must match the account of the parent directory Feb 25 22:39:37 and there's a nice script that does the job, ssh-copy-id Feb 25 22:39:45 'recommended' is too weak, imho Feb 25 22:39:51 *nod* Feb 25 22:40:19 ~ should not be world-writable Feb 25 22:40:32 and I doubt group-writable is a great idea Feb 25 22:40:39 Okaay Feb 25 22:40:47 reboot - and it's back at 777 Feb 25 22:41:05 ? Feb 25 22:41:18 ~? Feb 25 22:41:24 yes Feb 25 22:41:42 maemo5/n900? or another device? Feb 25 22:41:50 good night folks Feb 25 22:41:55 grep -r chmod /etc :) Feb 25 22:42:03 or morning/day/evening :P Feb 25 22:42:03 did you install the first Maemo virus?? Feb 25 22:42:17 LuserN800: doing that Feb 25 22:42:36 I will manage to port something :P Feb 25 22:42:40 t-tan: I'm wondering if it's the nokia research tool thing that I've got installed. Feb 25 22:42:49 later Feb 25 22:43:16 SpeedEvil: where can I find that? Feb 25 22:43:17 yes it is. Feb 25 22:43:20 That's annoying. Feb 25 22:43:30 report a bug, please Feb 25 22:43:41 t-tan: I can't give it out I don't think Feb 25 22:44:07 ok, what does it "investigate"? Feb 25 22:44:30 t-tan: It basically tracks every program launch, icon touch, call (anonymised, ...) Feb 25 22:45:16 how to check what's consuming the most of batttery? Feb 25 22:45:28 http://www.360meter.com/ Feb 25 22:45:34 jacekowski: powertop can be of use Feb 25 22:45:37 as can top Feb 25 22:47:12 SpeedEvil: now THAT's nasty! Feb 25 22:47:50 DocScrutinizer: well - there is a payment involved. Feb 25 22:48:12 no payment can rectify a chmod on ~ Feb 25 22:49:41 I'm not doing anything I don't much care about the public knowing on a box I can drop in a puddle in the street. Feb 25 22:52:12 SpeedEvil: evidentally it's messing up your system, even unadvertedly and in a *very* braindamaged way Feb 25 22:52:21 and repeatedly Feb 25 22:52:25 yes. I agree. Feb 25 22:52:35 I however disagree about the no payment part. Feb 25 22:53:28 Though I am annoyed it wasted my - and also your time. Feb 25 22:53:39 hmmm Feb 25 22:53:52 has anyone tried softvol in MPlayer? Feb 25 22:53:57 yes Feb 25 22:54:11 is it supposed to have any effect on KMPlayer ? :P Feb 25 22:54:45 softvol is basically an additional volume control in software that changes volume by simply not outputting the full range of values. Feb 25 22:55:10 I'm trying to increase the volume in KMPlayer for streaming video Feb 25 22:55:18 but I haven't succeeded yet :( Feb 25 22:55:35 softvol is an attenuator, no booster Feb 25 22:55:49 100% is max Feb 25 22:56:07 you can use a compressor plugin Feb 25 22:56:42 hmm Feb 25 22:56:50 complaining seems easier than finding out what you're talking about :) Feb 25 22:58:11 compander is a volume regulator to increase or lower volume differences Feb 25 22:58:59 so in the non-limiting mode it could be used to e.g double the input volume at output Feb 25 22:59:30 Arif_: do you mean that the stream is considerably fainter than maximum volume? Feb 25 22:59:43 Arif_: or you're trying to make the maximum volume ouder. Feb 25 22:59:46 louder Feb 25 22:59:54 I'm trying to make the maximum volume louder Feb 25 23:00:04 as it's not very useful for videos :( Feb 25 23:00:05 or speech Feb 25 23:00:41 you can make the difference between soft and loud output less, you cannot boost loud output Feb 25 23:01:42 * Arif_ doesn't know how though Feb 25 23:01:48 there's a physical limit in the speakers and amp Feb 25 23:02:20 So basically my only option is to wait for an N9xx ? :) Feb 25 23:02:22 you can't get any louder than the maximum they support Feb 25 23:02:41 http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/sound.html Feb 25 23:02:48 i would prefer a low cpu, lower volume alternative to save battery Feb 25 23:03:09 -aop list=volume:softclip Feb 25 23:03:10 maybe Feb 25 23:03:13 in fact wou can play audio on N900 with half the cpu use of media player Feb 25 23:03:50 https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec Feb 25 23:03:52 I wonder on Feb 25 23:03:54 pupnik Feb 25 23:04:09 haha Feb 25 23:04:14 FF says the 2nd link is unsafe :) Feb 25 23:04:18 can someone give me a hint hot to reset the data counter manually through gconf? (Apparently its gconf, someone said in here). I searched the gconf tree using gconftool -R / | grep -e "reset" -e "data" -e "count" but couldn't find anything relevant. Apparently I need to set the values to 0 and set the "last reset date" somewhere in there. Feb 25 23:04:35 Arif_: ignore it Feb 25 23:04:48 is there a way to open urls with xchat? Feb 25 23:04:55 yep Feb 25 23:04:57 Piil Feb 25 23:04:58 click em Feb 25 23:05:03 with a finger! Feb 25 23:05:09 or your nose. Feb 25 23:05:17 Or other pointed bits of integument. Feb 25 23:05:42 i clicked it with my finger and my nose, but nothing happened Feb 25 23:05:47 seems to me I need to click&hold for context menu Feb 25 23:05:58 yeah - maybe you need to hold a moment Feb 25 23:06:05 then select "open in browser" Feb 25 23:06:08 does the link go blue? Feb 25 23:06:19 hmm? just need a convenient way to do it. SpeedEvil which N900 free music/audio player would you most like to see have the battery saving option? Feb 25 23:06:26 mom, for testing: http://google.de Feb 25 23:06:32 nope Feb 25 23:06:36 KMPlayer! Feb 25 23:06:40 its the same color as the text Feb 25 23:06:45 pupnik: cat Feb 25 23:06:56 its the only player I use outside the built in one =D Feb 25 23:07:00 Pillum: where did you get your xchat? Feb 25 23:07:07 and this is on the n900? Feb 25 23:07:21 Arif_: i could fix up kmplayer to do it most easily Feb 25 23:07:26 pupnik: I question if the DSP couldn't do it at lower power. Feb 25 23:07:35 mplayer would be as good. Feb 25 23:08:05 i'll do some tests tomorrow to be sure i am not BSing Feb 25 23:08:09 Pillum: click&hold for ~2sec. then select "Open Link in Browser" Feb 25 23:08:10 :D Feb 25 23:08:26 How can I make links clickable instead of right click or ctrl+click? Feb 25 23:08:26 Type the following inside of XChat: /set gui_url_mod 0 Feb 25 23:08:32 nice link SpeedEvil -bookmarked Feb 25 23:10:16 my xchat is from extras Feb 25 23:11:07 oh it worked Feb 25 23:11:56 the set gui_url_mod worked? Feb 25 23:12:17 didnt worked the first time, cause the display is too small Feb 25 23:12:26 no not this Feb 25 23:12:32 pupnik: when looking at CPU, it can be misleading. mplayer using 50% is much less power at 250MHz than 50 at 600% Feb 25 23:12:36 didnt tried this shamus Feb 25 23:12:45 but wait Feb 25 23:12:48 ahhh Feb 25 23:13:01 shamus: it accepts command, but doesn't change url click behaviour. Neither 0 nor 1 Feb 25 23:13:04 yah xchat can be a pain Feb 25 23:13:09 odd Feb 25 23:13:22 it dose in in the desktop built Feb 25 23:15:54 fiferboy: hey there; you told me that I could reset the data counter through gconf. I've been searching the gconf tree and google for a while now but I can't find the keys :| Feb 25 23:18:13 aww Feb 25 23:18:14 fiferboy: nevermind, I think I found them (searching for "tx" Feb 25 23:18:27 the N900 can't cope with KMPlayer running and doing other things Feb 25 23:18:58 Shapeshifter: Let me know if you need more info Feb 25 23:19:56 * Arif_ pets Nokia Feb 25 23:20:04 fiferboy: mhh, I found /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes and the same for gprs_tx_bytes, but I can't see where to set the last reset date... Feb 25 23:20:32 maybe because I never reset it since I got the device... Feb 25 23:20:58 Shapeshifter: It should be in that same area. I can't remember if it shows up before you do a reset. Feb 25 23:21:23 fiferboy: if you have a device at hand, could you please have a look at gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS ? Feb 25 23:22:29 there is a gprs_reset_to e Feb 25 23:22:33 time Feb 25 23:22:50 Pillum: ah thanks, that must be it. not set on mine Feb 25 23:22:59 looks like time in seconds since 1970 Feb 25 23:23:05 Pillum: brilliant, thanks Feb 25 23:23:31 np ;) Feb 25 23:23:36 epoch fail. Feb 25 23:25:05 i hate that limit, cause I cant set my parents correct birthday date Feb 25 23:25:20 thats so lame :( Feb 25 23:25:27 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 25 23:25:42 good night, sweetie ;) Feb 25 23:28:51 hi im geting dpkg error processing wget (--configure) any ideas on how i can fix? Feb 25 23:30:34 what command are you issuing? Feb 25 23:32:12 set gprs_reset_time to the birthday of his parents? o.O Feb 25 23:32:18 apt-get dist-upgrade Feb 25 23:32:25 after an apt-get update Feb 25 23:32:48 seems its erroring out on post-install scripot returned error exit status 2 Feb 25 23:33:05 i would dpkg --purge wget but i think thats a core package Feb 25 23:33:17 used to download others :)\ Feb 25 23:33:51 DocScrutinizer: no :D but the calender works the same way ;) Feb 25 23:33:56 apt-get dist-upgrade is deprecated afaik Feb 25 23:34:18 what should i use i mean it was upgrading stuff Feb 25 23:34:25 how can i autocomplete with xchat ? Feb 25 23:34:39 Pillum: so you can't enter a event on the birth of your parents? Feb 25 23:34:54 yeah Feb 25 23:35:14 you got it ;) Feb 25 23:35:27 Pillum: use contacts, add field "birthday", then in calendar enable "special dates" or somesuch Feb 25 23:35:55 maemo5 has a calender type for dates Feb 25 23:36:05 type 'smart', you can only have one of that kind Feb 25 23:36:18 it was enabled on mine by default Feb 25 23:36:27 smart, that's it. not special dates Feb 25 23:36:33 * satmd supplements doc Feb 25 23:36:59 im confused.... Feb 25 23:37:14 Pillum: ?? Feb 25 23:37:21 with contacts, you can store a birthday Feb 25 23:37:28 Pillum: create a contact for your father Feb 25 23:37:43 create a new field, select "birthday" Feb 25 23:37:46 is it only possible with a contact? Feb 25 23:37:46 the calendar app has several calenders, one of them is specially for contacts' birthdays Feb 25 23:37:52 enter your father's birthday Feb 25 23:38:01 in calendar it'll show up Feb 25 23:38:04 no, but that'd be the most straightforward Feb 25 23:41:06 ~ $ mdbus2 -ls; then open cam slider... o.O Feb 25 23:41:32 actually dbus is *so much fun* Feb 25 23:42:00 especially without decent docs of all signals and methods Feb 25 23:42:47 thanks for the tip with the calender Feb 25 23:43:03 how can i use autocomplete with xchat Feb 25 23:43:09 there is no tab key :) Feb 25 23:43:18 click it? Feb 25 23:43:25 nevermind Feb 25 23:44:10 I thought you meant like the autocomplete in the virtual keyboard. that one you have to click the rest of the word Feb 25 23:44:17 i have autocomplete in irssi with ctrl+i Feb 25 23:44:25 mdbus not found .... is this an optional app? Feb 25 23:44:43 i just changed to xchat Feb 25 23:44:52 for the nice gui Feb 25 23:44:53 pupnik: I set it to shift-rightarrow Feb 25 23:45:26 Pillum: shift-space is preferred by most people Feb 25 23:45:32 SpeedEvil: got any other good mappings for shift+arrows? Feb 25 23:45:45 how do you get user list in xchat? Feb 25 23:45:50 DBAC for some reason they give me those letters Feb 25 23:46:14 pupnik_: mark text? Feb 25 23:46:48 www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf Feb 25 23:46:56 hmm. i could also use copy/paste on kbd Feb 25 23:47:01 context menu->view->user list Feb 25 23:47:08 ty SpeedEvil Feb 25 23:47:09 Trizt, Feb 25 23:47:13 pupnik: select - ctrl-c / ctrl-v works Feb 25 23:47:35 TriztN900, Feb 25 23:47:35 That also has window 0-9 on shift-blue-numbers Feb 25 23:48:08 Pillum: it's marked in the menu but still nothing Feb 25 23:49:58 TriztN900, there is also the normal irc way: /userlist Feb 25 23:50:13 TriztN900: probably it's set to size=0 in your config Feb 25 23:51:04 the userlist is left....usually Feb 25 23:51:30 I seem to remember RST38h tweaked it to hide... Feb 25 23:52:00 okey, it may be the case as you say. Feb 25 23:52:36 Pillum: jost that i'm old and forget those commands Feb 25 23:52:53 Anyone know what video codecs the N900 likes best? Feb 25 23:53:29 What should I convert my videos to? Feb 25 23:53:41 i think h.264 Feb 25 23:53:52 thanks Feb 25 23:54:25 h264 baseline Feb 25 23:55:07 and the resolution must not be too high Feb 25 23:55:21 hmm it says on the wikithat youtube videos use H264 Feb 25 23:55:30 yes, low res Feb 25 23:55:56 yeah highres over nfs is painful Feb 25 23:55:59 my copy of transformers II gets like 10 FPS Feb 25 23:56:00 3*4 pixels at 4fps. Feb 25 23:56:32 speedevil: WOW??? Feb 25 23:56:44 800x480 should be fine Feb 25 23:56:49 thanks Feb 25 23:56:51 Well - not really. youtube that is. Feb 25 23:56:55 The highest quality supported: Feb 25 23:56:58 IT seems to approach it at times though Feb 25 23:57:17 resolution 800x480 Feb 25 23:57:28 container avi or mp4 Feb 25 23:57:32 well thanks very much guys Feb 25 23:57:44 I need to eat supper rightnow thoug Feb 25 23:57:49 bye Feb 25 23:57:52 mpeg4 or h.264 max bitrate 5000 Feb 25 23:58:10 and aac or mp3 max 329 Feb 25 23:58:13 320 Feb 25 23:58:17 bye Feb 25 23:58:33 --copy- -paste- Feb 25 23:59:10 ?? Feb 26 00:01:25 time to work Feb 26 00:04:12 going to bed, bye Feb 26 00:10:39 leaving... Feb 26 00:11:06 remaining... Feb 26 00:30:15 is ther the terminus font for maemo? Feb 26 00:30:19 hmm Feb 26 00:30:29 Ovi store needs Paypal support Feb 26 00:30:55 I have never used ovi store and most likely will never do so Feb 26 00:31:05 Angry birds level pack 1! Feb 26 00:31:06 maemo extras is a better solution imho Feb 26 00:31:08 and free Feb 26 00:31:25 and all the burp apps that'll be released Feb 26 00:31:26 \o/ Feb 26 00:31:45 :| never cared about mobile gaming Feb 26 00:33:51 oh btw Feb 26 00:34:13 I have a %99 feeling that that level pack will be on warez sites within 1 week Feb 26 00:34:23 as it's just a deb file being downloaded :P Feb 26 00:47:59 me again~ can anyone recommend a video converter for Ubuntu? Feb 26 00:48:19 That I can encode vidoes for my N900 with Feb 26 00:49:39 handbrake is popular Feb 26 00:49:51 there was also tablet-encode Feb 26 00:50:02 will look them up. thanks Feb 26 00:50:16 XviDs I downloaded mostly work on the N900 :D Feb 26 00:50:40 I have a .mkv Feb 26 00:50:51 movie is called Steamboy :-D Feb 26 00:50:52 ah, those usually won't Feb 26 00:51:01 Steamboy you say? Feb 26 00:51:10 XD Feb 26 00:51:15 yes awsome movie Feb 26 00:51:33 I want to play it for my family via the video cable Feb 26 00:51:43 I hope thats easyer than making a DVD Feb 26 00:51:49 cause that didnt work Feb 26 00:52:04 plug in the cables and you're good to go Feb 26 00:52:34 well yes, that part is easy, its getting it to playon the N900 Feb 26 00:53:06 if it's in your own house upnp is also an option Feb 26 00:53:14 but I don't know how to get that to work on Linux desktop :D Feb 26 00:53:26 UPNP as in streaming? Feb 26 00:53:31 XD Feb 26 00:53:33 yea Feb 26 00:53:38 that could work! Feb 26 00:53:51 * Arif_ is usually too lazy to re-encode :P Feb 26 00:53:54 you'd still have to convert it Feb 26 00:54:04 upnp just serves the same file over http Feb 26 00:54:06 VLC will get it on the network, but how do I catch it with the N900? Feb 26 00:54:23 ali1234, there are upnp servers that transcode on the fly Feb 26 00:54:29 for linux? Feb 26 00:54:36 I don't use linux :P Feb 26 00:55:03 Arif_: you have a N900? cause then you do use linux :-D Feb 26 00:55:04 lol Feb 26 00:55:15 I don't use linux on my desktop ;P Feb 26 00:55:16 vlc can convert files too Feb 26 00:55:24 but i heard good things about handbrake Feb 26 00:58:46 wow where do all these crappy maemo apps come from, in the ovi store Feb 26 00:58:46 it is simple to use, with decent cropping and dvd reading Feb 26 00:59:28 hi all, any way I can get conversations to work with a self-signed certificate? Feb 26 01:02:13 Just got tablet-encode Feb 26 01:02:24 seems to be working great Feb 26 01:03:02 its encoding < realtime though :-( Feb 26 01:07:11 does anyone know where I can find X11-->X.h in maemo5? app is looking for this but not sure where to find it Feb 26 01:15:26 hey ... my n900 makes really strange internet connections ... Feb 26 01:15:54 Feb 26 02:12:20 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.129.20.203 DST=78.55.252.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42471 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0 Feb 26 01:15:54 Feb 26 02:12:22 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.129.20.203 DST=78.55.252.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42472 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0 Feb 26 01:16:13 neat, we can hax you now :D Feb 26 01:16:22 10.129.20.203 is *NOT* its configured IP Feb 26 01:16:38 i didnt even look at it Feb 26 01:16:44 just being non-useful Feb 26 01:16:53 one dest is a chat.ovi.com and another some dynip in germany Feb 26 01:17:09 well thats somewhat fishy Feb 26 01:17:30 hmm i seem to be losing ability to generate screen taps once in a while Feb 26 01:17:56 sometimes requires reboot Feb 26 01:19:44 mhm Feb 26 01:20:24 pupnik Feb 26 01:20:44 cehteh, do you use skype? Feb 26 01:21:47 yes Feb 26 01:22:00 but that are not skype connections Feb 26 01:22:07 oh? Feb 26 01:22:28 and why does it grab a random IP? Feb 26 01:22:33 (source) Feb 26 01:23:00 oh that's a good question :) Feb 26 01:23:08 its in a 10.40.0.0/16 subnet .. but tries to pretend being 10.129.20.203 Feb 26 01:23:28 ack+fin set.. Feb 26 01:23:54 well this are firewall blocked packet Feb 26 01:24:15 * cehteh sets up his firewall anew, years of bitrot made it a bit unmanageable Feb 26 01:24:47 well and one dest is chat.ovi.com .. i have a ovi account, is maybe ok (but why the strange source spoofing?) Feb 26 01:25:18 and the other one is a dynip on a german provider .. i have no friggn ovi contacts i am chatting with! Feb 26 01:25:39 I'd expect a great deal of funny crap from skype's p2p activities, especially the NAT-punching assistance it can do for two unrelated peers Feb 26 01:25:49 yes Feb 26 01:25:54 Michael J Fox just holds his penis to masturbate. Feb 26 01:25:59 i can clearly see what skype tries Feb 26 01:26:07 nothing visible netstat on device? Feb 26 01:26:29 didnt tried yet .. just plaing on the firewall Feb 26 01:27:55 nothing visible now Feb 26 01:28:44 * cehteh thinks he just cancels his ovi account... i dont use it for chat, sharing doesnt work Feb 26 01:28:50 servers are often slow Feb 26 01:30:16 There is a US patent 5443036 for exercising a cat by pointing a laser pointer at the floor and wiggling it. Feb 26 01:30:43 genious Feb 26 01:30:52 lol Feb 26 01:30:54 is there also a patent for scaring crows? Feb 26 01:31:05 works very well Feb 26 01:31:12 and guiding airline pilots to the ground? Feb 26 01:31:22 point laser next to crow, will fly away Feb 26 01:31:36 didn't try other bird tho Feb 26 01:31:38 s* Feb 26 01:31:50 i could use something to kill moles Feb 26 01:33:42 test Feb 26 01:34:03 see. the government doesnt have to make rational sense. they just take your money anywy, and create nonsense jobs. Feb 26 01:37:55 and non-sense rules Feb 26 01:43:33 grr .. why does openvpn terminate even when there is a fine connection? Feb 26 01:48:37 I get an internal error when trying to load 'sharing' part of settings, and it crashes - anyone know what app binary that is so I can debug it, or how settings are stored ? Feb 26 01:52:48 homeasvs__: thats is a quite much plugin stuff architecture Feb 26 01:53:19 did you uinstall some development plugins for sharing/telepathy/accounts whatever? Feb 26 01:53:36 possibly, not sure, I've been using it for a while now Feb 26 01:53:56 try desinstalling what you dont need Feb 26 01:54:15 I prefer to learn the architecture. No idea on the binary names, or where settings are stored ? Feb 26 01:54:15 deinstalling Feb 26 01:54:19 heh Feb 26 01:54:42 .. Feb 26 01:56:49 . Feb 26 01:56:59 abusing this channel for vpn tests :P Feb 26 01:57:20 haha Feb 26 01:57:50 What is vpn used for? I have heard of it, but dont know much avout it Feb 26 01:58:09 the dots come from the n900 switching between wlan and gsm Feb 26 01:58:12 Wild_Doogy: it routes your traffic through an encrypted channel to a network of your choosing Feb 26 01:58:13 virtual private networking Feb 26 01:58:22 and me normally talking is my laptop Feb 26 01:58:30 so basicaly a proxy? Feb 26 01:58:47 but its encrypteds Feb 26 01:58:55 yes and you can switch between networks without interrupting connections (if all works well) Feb 26 01:58:56 Wild_Doogy: in the same spirit, yes, excepted that it usually gives you access to the internal parts of a target network Feb 26 01:59:01 but it has encryption possibilitys Feb 26 01:59:16 Proxies have encryption abilities too Feb 26 01:59:20 you can tunnel on layer 2 too .. Feb 26 01:59:23 oh so you can ping 192.168.1.1 in a manner of speaking Feb 26 01:59:47 thats more than that. means you can sniff your home networks from anywhere in the world .. but costs a lot more traffic :P Feb 26 01:59:52 cehteh: this is the vpnc stuff, right? Feb 26 01:59:54 Wild_Doogy: for example, I'm VPN'd in to my work network. it gives me a new network adapter on my laptop (virtual one), which has access to 192.168.200.x in my London office Feb 26 02:00:04 ds3: i am using openvpn Feb 26 02:00:08 oh Feb 26 02:00:21 is it ipsec based or some other version? Feb 26 02:00:26 you end up with an up in the 10.4..... range isn't it if i remember correctly Feb 26 02:00:36 the default setup which comes with the n900 is a bit inadequate Feb 26 02:00:45 openstandards: not necessarily, depends on the network Feb 26 02:00:53 so you can access your printer without port forwarding Feb 26 02:01:04 (or servers) Feb 26 02:01:14 Wild_Doogy: yup. Print, ssh, email Feb 26 02:01:25 openvpn runs its own tunneling protocol, mostly tls/openssl Feb 26 02:01:36 Wild_Doogy, samba share without port forwarding over the net :D Feb 26 02:01:37 Wild_Doogy: yes Feb 26 02:01:39 Wild_Doogy: and people don't see what kind of traffic I use, they just see encrypted data, on one single stream Feb 26 02:01:50 ok!! briliant. now I need to do a bunch of researching so I can use if for my robot Feb 26 02:01:57 and again with port forwarding you cant switch seamless between networks you have to reconnect Feb 26 02:02:24 wirless robot that uses a laptop for a brain (working on gettiing my N900 to controll it) Feb 26 02:02:28 you basically are given local access :) Feb 26 02:02:30 while newer ssh allows vpn over tun devices .. but it sux somewhat since its only tcp which is not very nice for tunneling Feb 26 02:02:39 yes Feb 26 02:02:49 cehteh: lol... you'd want UDP for tunnelling? Feb 26 02:03:04 if it works yes Feb 26 02:03:08 cehteh, i know somewhat about it my bro use to have vpn on his smoothwall :) Feb 26 02:03:11 (with tcp as fallback) Feb 26 02:03:26 well i have it working now Feb 26 02:03:41 cehteh, how does that work then Feb 26 02:04:00 i guess better than anyone else who uses the stock configs for the n900 Feb 26 02:04:14 aren't udp ports opened when needed? Feb 26 02:04:39 what do you mean by that? Feb 26 02:04:49 on my server (home) side? Feb 26 02:04:55 server Feb 26 02:05:29 they are just open server on upd (and another one on tcp) Feb 26 02:06:42 whats the benefit of udp then i've never quite understood Feb 26 02:07:47 latency and in this way reliabilty Feb 26 02:08:05 for a tuneel you would otherwise put tcp into tcp Feb 26 02:08:27 which is quite bad because of its handshaking and congestion/windowing and stuff Feb 26 02:08:46 at best you have just bad turnaround Feb 26 02:08:55 i always thought tcp was designed welll Feb 26 02:09:13 at worst both tcp stacks start to oscilate and you get very flacky behaviour Feb 26 02:09:26 tcp is designed well (ok almost) Feb 26 02:09:33 its designed to run over unreliable packet based links Feb 26 02:09:42 but its designed to provide a constant stream of data Feb 26 02:09:49 and on top of that, creates a reliable stream based connection Feb 26 02:09:54 when asking a beautiful girl to say her number or email softly into my n900, what application should i quickly trigger to actually record the said number or email? Feb 26 02:10:20 if you put tcp over tcp, stuff like retransmits and flow control make it /worse/ Feb 26 02:10:32 uhsf: the phone, dial pupnik's number Feb 26 02:11:29 am i right in thinking that udp would be better for sip? Feb 26 02:12:53 for sip actually its shit; having unreliable signalling is a bad idea Feb 26 02:13:06 for the actual voice traffic (rtp) its better Feb 26 02:13:21 . Feb 26 02:13:26 you don't want retransmits, late data is useless for real-time Feb 26 02:13:34 rtp? Feb 26 02:14:00 real-time protocol, for streaming audio/video Feb 26 02:14:24 a sip call (and jingle, and h323) uses rtp for the actual media Feb 26 02:14:29 ideally over udp Feb 26 02:14:30 how new is that? Feb 26 02:14:44 ancient? Feb 26 02:14:50 test Feb 26 02:14:53 in internet terms anyway :) Feb 26 02:15:03 cehteh: working Feb 26 02:15:07 lol Feb 26 02:15:08 i don't remember covering that in college Feb 26 02:15:32 yeah i had some disconnects changed something on the config now Feb 26 02:15:44 i remember learning about the 7 layer network stack but thats it Feb 26 02:15:56 n900 on wlan here now Feb 26 02:16:10 i never did pay attention to that class thou Feb 26 02:16:20 friggen awesome .. xchat on laptop and n900 .. both connected to the same irc session Feb 26 02:16:33 -want- Feb 26 02:16:48 i can chat from anywhere .. and you dont know if its my sofa, from the toilet or somewhere else in the world :) Feb 26 02:17:11 wait..... you mean the SAME session, as in only using one name? not just same room? Feb 26 02:17:26 << laptop Feb 26 02:17:39 cehteh, using certs? :) Feb 26 02:17:41 < n900 Feb 26 02:17:49 haha Feb 26 02:17:51 openstandards: yes Feb 26 02:18:08 the n900 is now on gsm .. was on wlan before Feb 26 02:18:11 lol its definitly your N900. f sym Feb 26 02:18:29 lol Feb 26 02:18:47 i made only one because i didnt want to tap that twice :P Feb 26 02:19:09 yeah, thats how I could tell it was your n900 Feb 26 02:19:10 lol Feb 26 02:19:36 so now lets see if it stays connected and switches back to wlan within 10 minutes Feb 26 02:20:47 * cehteh goes on with the rest of the firewall config Feb 26 02:21:23 how hard was it to set up? Feb 26 02:21:54 its was some pita the defaults work but are not as seamless when switching networks Feb 26 02:22:22 so i had find out a lot of tweaks and scripting Feb 26 02:22:40 actually only a few lines but RTFM and trying costs some time Feb 26 02:23:19 but now it switches networks almost instantly .. no timeouts Feb 26 02:23:20 would this be consider secure, vpn and then ssh locally into my box? Feb 26 02:23:32 hehe Feb 26 02:23:44 vpn is already secure you could telnet into it :P Feb 26 02:23:48 cehteh: so it worked your on wlan again? Feb 26 02:24:14 not switched back yet .. i wait for the automatic switch Feb 26 02:24:47 but still working Feb 26 02:24:51 hehehe i've got more experience with ssh... i once used telnet to delete some mail from a mailbox and thats it Feb 26 02:25:44 i use ssh too Feb 26 02:26:00 ssh = FTW Feb 26 02:26:13 i like copying files over ssh its sexy Feb 26 02:26:17 ssh is nice but does the rest of N900 know about SOCKS? Feb 26 02:26:29 telnet and ssh are similar in practice and usage? Feb 26 02:26:35 no Feb 26 02:26:42 ssh port forwarding just always needs some setup and ssh tunneling sux a bit, its just a last resort Feb 26 02:26:45 ssh does a whole lot more Feb 26 02:26:59 ok, thats what I figured Feb 26 02:27:05 cehteh: if only the browser et al supported SOCKS Feb 26 02:27:08 sweet jesus Feb 26 02:27:13 ds3: yes, depends on the app but the icd framework and a lot stuff knows about all kinds of proxies Feb 26 02:27:22 my phone has been running a bit slow as of late Feb 26 02:27:23 can files be copied over telnet? Feb 26 02:27:37 cehteh: really? Feb 26 02:27:40 switched back to wlan Feb 26 02:27:52 ^ that was n900 Feb 26 02:27:56 a lot of places block things so other VPNswon't work Feb 26 02:28:09 whereas a SSH session with SOCKS would work Feb 26 02:28:21 hehe i have vpn over port 443 Feb 26 02:28:31 (need no https server at home :P) Feb 26 02:28:38 then you are not using the GRE or the IPsec VPN? Feb 26 02:28:44 should work pretty well to tunnel out from almost anywhere Feb 26 02:28:50 dude i pray for flash 10 soon Feb 26 02:28:56 flash is so god damn slow Feb 26 02:29:05 and openvpn can tunnel through a socks and http proxy too Feb 26 02:29:14 (i didnt configured that yet) Feb 26 02:29:21 wonder if there is any chance of using IP tables to redirect to through another connection Feb 26 02:29:36 can OpenVPN do a NULL (do nothing) encryption? Feb 26 02:29:43 dunno Feb 26 02:29:45 dont care Feb 26 02:29:49 i want encryption :) Feb 26 02:29:55 you got loads of bw to spare? Feb 26 02:30:05 prolly yes since its based on openssl and openssl supports that afaik Feb 26 02:30:11 I'd just let SSH do the encryption and use openvpn to setup the tunnels Feb 26 02:30:17 encryption doesnt cost bw .. Feb 26 02:30:35 and it supports (and i enabled it) lzo compression Feb 26 02:30:35 it does if you add layers of them together Feb 26 02:31:07 vnc to my wifes desktop over 3g (1920x1080) works! Feb 26 02:31:16 you got the openvpn stuff in a .deb? Feb 26 02:31:25 cehteh, say if someone was piggy backing a wifi connection... if the person connected to a vpn you wouldn't know where their traffic would be going would you Feb 26 02:31:41 cehteh: I had it going to my PC over 2.5G Feb 26 02:32:01 openstandards: exactly Feb 26 02:32:24 thats yummy Feb 26 02:33:11 currently i only tunnel to my home network and not any other traffic .. but i may setup a 2nd vpn on my server for getting any other web traffic Feb 26 02:33:20 you have x Feb 26 02:33:34 then my service provider doesnt even see what i am doing :P Feb 26 02:33:38 you have xorg via 3g? Feb 26 02:33:51 vnc is not xorg Feb 26 02:34:13 its basically compressing tiles and sending them around (in a bit smarter way) Feb 26 02:34:25 its os independent, just a framebuffer Feb 26 02:34:43 imo slow for real work but good for support Feb 26 02:34:51 i will have to try this i find it hard to believe Feb 26 02:35:10 yes i thought it would lag painfully Feb 26 02:35:20 cehteh, good for downloading remotely :D Feb 26 02:35:29 right? Feb 26 02:35:30 well depends on what you are doing .. certainly not video editing Feb 26 02:35:45 but if you just click a few icons on the desktop it works Feb 26 02:36:05 i didnt used it seriously, just tried to see if it works .. Feb 26 02:36:20 just when i am not at home my wife can call me and ask for help Feb 26 02:36:55 she one has the choice, linux with support or windows without .. she choosen linux :P Feb 26 02:37:05 so now i have to comply with that deal :] Feb 26 02:37:34 hahahaha Feb 26 02:37:48 interesting choise Feb 26 02:40:20 so .. tea and then continue with firewall .. this stuff rot since 8 years or so, time to clean it up and rewrite :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 26 02:59:57 2010