**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 26 02:59:57 2010 Feb 26 03:19:40 hmm, has anybody got the internal media player to work on Maemo browser? O_o Feb 26 03:19:49 I tried apple trailers Feb 26 03:28:59 * dassu looks for it Feb 26 03:29:09 * dassu found mplayer plug-in for maemo 4 Feb 26 04:21:58 hmm, just installed the mplayerplug-in but can't seem to get quicktime to play :(( Feb 26 04:30:43 good "morning" Feb 26 04:31:01 qgil: lrn2UGT Feb 26 04:31:30 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Feb 26 04:31:58 luke-jr you lost me now Feb 26 04:33:24 funny! I already learned something today Feb 26 04:33:39 practical :p Feb 26 04:47:09 oke, so the mplayerplug-in definitely works but I still have problems with apple trailers Feb 26 04:48:00 Nope it doesn't actually Feb 26 04:48:02 no video Feb 26 04:49:53 when do we get the cool features? Feb 26 05:15:07 classic: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pho/1618117557.html Feb 26 05:25:12 he can dream Feb 26 05:27:10 tank-man: if he used to be a pro, how come he didn't go for any specifics? Feb 26 05:27:28 tank-man: even if the guy has stopped being a pro 10 years ago, he should still have a favourite manufacturer Feb 26 06:47:23 yo, channel Feb 26 06:47:31 can someone give me an nslookup of xkcd.com ? Feb 26 06:47:45 The sysadmin is trying to prove he's smarter than m e Feb 26 06:47:50 he is. Feb 26 06:47:58 because he is the sysadmin Feb 26 06:48:05 doesn't prove anything Feb 26 06:48:28 I can own him in ways ten times worse than anything he can do to me :P Feb 26 06:48:38 He's not even capable of spotting that I'm chatting on IRC over SSL... Feb 26 06:48:55 Non-authoritative answer: Feb 26 06:48:55 Name: xkcd.com Feb 26 06:48:55 Address: 72.26.203.98 Feb 26 06:48:59 thanks Feb 26 06:49:10 that better not be the IP or lemonparty Feb 26 06:51:20 http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php Feb 26 06:51:25 aziwoqpd: can you do imgs.xkcd.com as well? Feb 26 06:53:59 "The list of people who were blown up or poisoned while trying to do so is impressive" Feb 26 06:55:26 "I've seen one reference to storing it as a solid at 90 Kelvin for later use" Feb 26 06:55:40 (and the best part is, it is not from SCP Wiki) Feb 26 07:02:05 RST38h: nice find. Feb 26 07:03:31 "Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens. . .and 433 kcal" Is there a typo in there? Feb 26 07:03:38 Like the k in front of the cal? Feb 26 07:03:59 maybe that's per mole Feb 26 07:05:09 kcal == kila calorie Feb 26 07:05:14 Quite explicitly does say just four molecules... Feb 26 07:05:17 433 kcal/mol sounds reasonable Feb 26 07:05:34 what channel is this again? :P Feb 26 07:05:47 Proteous: #werebored Feb 26 07:05:49 Hukka just don't try that at home Feb 26 07:05:54 there was the mysterious ... part Feb 26 07:06:01 you can hide anything in ... Feb 26 07:06:15 tekojo: If there's no typo, I can see why it wasn't tried even at lab specialicing in violent explosions Feb 26 07:06:30 first it stinks like hell and then you have a very potent acid that is used to etch glass Feb 26 07:06:45 Proteous: It wasn't a quote Feb 26 07:06:53 quote? Feb 26 07:06:56 Proteous: It was more like a pause in verbum Feb 26 07:06:58 ah Feb 26 07:07:13 Proteous: Yeah, dots mean missing words only in quotations Feb 26 07:07:14 yes, it looks like it would be a good explosion, and it most likely is per mole Feb 26 07:08:13 Not sure if I'll be bored enough to check that. I usually don't deal with energies in units other than eV Feb 26 07:08:45 Hukka where did you find that anyway? Feb 26 07:09:15 anyway, leaving work, talk later Feb 26 07:11:58 tekojo: RST38h's link a few lines above my comment Feb 26 07:23:43 RST38h: That's a great blog, thanks Feb 26 07:53:12 o/ Feb 26 08:09:55 tiemu hasn't been packaged for the n900, has it... Feb 26 08:10:09 only ati? I'd love to have a TI89 on the n900... Feb 26 08:11:15 iirc there are two TI-emulators... or there has been, at least Feb 26 08:12:06 Wolfie: yeah there's tiemu for OS2008 Feb 26 08:12:21 I'll try if the deb works on the n900. Feb 26 08:12:26 ati-85 rocks :) Feb 26 08:12:39 i might've been looking at the extras-devel Feb 26 08:12:52 and, the ones i tried didn't work all too well :) Feb 26 08:15:03 oh its in the repo actually Feb 26 08:15:08 or no it is not Feb 26 08:15:13 it's just apt being weird again Feb 26 08:15:19 apt is soo weird. Feb 26 08:16:01 I downloaded the .deb and did dpkg -i foo.deb. it failed because of lots of missing dependencies, and then I did apt-cache search tiemu2 and now it finds it. But its just the local package. Feb 26 08:16:09 I don't get the logic behind apt at all. Feb 26 08:17:14 and it still keeps repeating that autoremove will uninstall vpnc, although I installed it manually Feb 26 08:18:59 Shapeshifter: it's not installed properly Feb 26 08:19:15 Shapeshifter: if it failed on dependencies it's left unconfigured Feb 26 08:19:36 Shapeshifter: you have to install dependencies for it and configure it Feb 26 08:22:36 jacekowski: tiemu or vpnc? Feb 26 08:23:09 Shapeshifter: the one that failed on dependencies Feb 26 08:23:34 sure, tiemu got installed half way or so (again apt logic I don't get). But I added the repo now which contains tiemu2, and am trying to install the chinook version. Feb 26 08:23:39 it even seems to work. Feb 26 08:23:55 Shapeshifter: apt will install every program Feb 26 08:24:07 Shapeshifter: and then it will decide if it's configurable or not Feb 26 08:24:27 jacekowski: sure. I just think that makes little sense... Feb 26 08:24:30 meh. Feb 26 08:24:30 Shapeshifter: if it's not configurable because of missing dependencies it will stop leaving it in inconfigured state Feb 26 08:24:35 I can live with that anyway Feb 26 08:24:43 Shapeshifter: so you can fix your dependencies and configure it Feb 26 08:24:58 jacekowski: I think that's overly complicated Feb 26 08:25:16 why not just "not install" if there are missing dependencies. why even bother installing it if it wont work anyway Feb 26 08:25:43 because you will install it anyways Feb 26 08:26:06 after solving dependencies Feb 26 08:26:11 Shapeshifter: you can fix deps with "apt-get -f install" without dependencies Feb 26 08:26:19 without arguments, I mean Feb 26 08:26:29 villager: no I can't if I installed the package with dpkg -i Feb 26 08:26:55 because the dependencies are _missing_ Feb 26 08:27:08 Shapeshifter: so you don't have the deps in any available repo? Feb 26 08:27:36 villager: I didn't at that point. I now added an external chinook repo and it had the packages needed and it seems like tiemu2 is working more or less Feb 26 08:27:55 Shapeshifter: if they are available, then apt will find them and download them, if you use the -f option like I said Feb 26 08:28:10 villager: I just installed it from the app manager. Feb 26 08:28:18 nevermind! there isn't any problem ;) Feb 26 08:28:20 -f is basically a "repair" option Feb 26 08:29:01 Imho, all this makes little sense and could just be left out completeley. keep it simple... Feb 26 08:29:07 and you don't need to tell it which package to repair either, "-f install" just repairs any unconfigured package, if it can, regardless of how you installed it Feb 26 08:29:29 is there any decent sources for N900 desktop backgrounds (the kind that loop 4 desks and not those retarded single desktop images every place is distributing) Feb 26 08:29:54 http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201002/errord/Error.png Feb 26 08:30:43 red, http://www.n900wallpapers.com/ Feb 26 08:31:18 red, "loopable wallpapers" Feb 26 08:39:04 hah, most obvious choice Feb 26 08:47:38 Morning, all Feb 26 08:48:27 hmm, my n900 been running real slow today and now theres 2x documents, camera, images etc in MyDocs Feb 26 08:58:31 olrite Feb 26 08:58:40 git me some of that special 1.2 love now nookla! Feb 26 08:58:53 you know you want to Feb 26 09:00:08 lol Feb 26 09:10:19 morn wazd Feb 26 09:16:41 red: virus Feb 26 09:26:31 morning Feb 26 09:32:18 red: more than 32 files in one of those folders. search for stuff like that on bugs.maemo.org. Feb 26 09:51:10 mtd: more than 32 files in most of those folders and no probs before Feb 26 09:51:25 guess ill try resetting the trackerd Feb 26 09:51:42 will be a pain to re-index ~20GB of stuff but beats having duplicates Feb 26 09:51:54 somehow I find it odd that this sort of bugs are still in Feb 26 09:53:41 <`0660> i haven't seen a fool proof use of inotify yet Feb 26 09:54:50 <`0660> i wonder if the problem lies in the kernel or the userspace applications Feb 26 09:55:07 the indexing is a retarded thing in any case Feb 26 09:55:14 there should be a way to set it on manual Feb 26 09:55:15 red ++++ Feb 26 09:55:23 sup pupnik_? :p Feb 26 09:55:39 coffee. then going to stomp mole tunnels Feb 26 09:56:11 hmm no first driving off trash Feb 26 09:56:14 i just mariofied my n900 desktop Feb 26 09:56:33 looping super mario background, and positioned shortcuts, widgets ands bookmarks so that they would be on the playfield :> Feb 26 09:56:44 <`0660> i would prefer a situation in which i would have no idea of the indexing even happening Feb 26 09:57:15 `0660: well if you are using the phone when indexing happends you will feel it Feb 26 09:57:25 it's like running vista on a 500mhz pc with 512mb ram Feb 26 09:57:44 <`0660> red, well, i would prefer to not feel it :) Feb 26 09:57:50 id just like to be able to pick "play this folder & it's subfolders" from the media player :) Feb 26 09:58:07 mediabox draws too much battery as a substitute player and skips alot Feb 26 09:58:31 ~curse 'headset button' driver Feb 26 09:58:32 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, 'headset button' driver ! Feb 26 09:58:34 it could index the id3-tags on play of the file or you could hit index Feb 26 09:58:47 :D Feb 26 09:59:13 ~curse native media player and stupid indexing Feb 26 09:59:14 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, native media player and stupid indexing ! Feb 26 09:59:22 red: in short: Feb 26 09:59:27 ~curse nokia maemo team Feb 26 09:59:28 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia maemo team ! Feb 26 09:59:32 :D Feb 26 09:59:43 now that was a fitting insult! Feb 26 10:00:16 hrw: as it usually is with "smart" players, they aren't smart enough and lack possibility to turn off those things Feb 26 10:00:56 only players with smartplaylists I've found decent were iTunes Genius (it really worked!) and XBMC media player where you can make XML based playlists "ignore folders with the word live" style of rules Feb 26 10:01:05 <`0660> i think it would be too confusing for end users to have to index files manually Feb 26 10:01:08 they are nice for not having to add each new piece of music into lists Feb 26 10:01:18 but instead work on excluding stuff u dont wanna hear on a particular list :) Feb 26 10:01:58 `0660: for real, you saying on a linux phone it would be hard for a user to make subfolders for like "rock" "pop" "metal" and place their music under those appropriately? Feb 26 10:02:13 i mean, this phone isn't for the teens wearing pink and giggling at the mall Feb 26 10:02:18 <`0660> i would sure like excluding live songs from default playlists somehow Feb 26 10:02:40 <`0660> i would rather spend time listening to music than organising it Feb 26 10:02:42 if they ignore to do so, the default could still be like it works now Feb 26 10:02:57 id still like a way to set it on folder style play and not how it is Feb 26 10:02:58 red: I have /home/user/MyDocs/Media/Muza with few GB ordered by artists/albums/ and want it to be indexed. nevermind how but indexed Feb 26 10:03:04 too bad that tracker do no index all Feb 26 10:03:32 I just put my music into .sounds/Genre/Subgenre/ Feb 26 10:03:40 and I'd like to be able to play via the "main" genres Feb 26 10:03:51 cause my I have a vast collection all correctly tagged Feb 26 10:04:07 so now I can't have a playlist with death metal, melodic death metal, progressive metal, trash metal Feb 26 10:04:14 gotta pick one of those Feb 26 10:04:24 even thought they are all under a folder called Metal :) Feb 26 10:04:41 you misspelled thrash :( Feb 26 10:04:44 and same thing for Electronic music, and for some Rock with grunge, alternative etc Feb 26 10:04:56 viukkis: I do that every time :) Feb 26 10:05:06 think theres a corroded spot in my brain where that word is stored Feb 26 10:05:21 makes sense Feb 26 10:06:23 once again, tracker-processes --hard reset Feb 26 10:06:48 heres to hoping ill have my library without duplicates for more than a week this time Feb 26 10:10:00 estimated time remaining: 4020min 30sec Feb 26 10:10:07 >_< Feb 26 10:13:00 Someone really knows how to add a screenshot for your app at maemo.org; when the app IS in extras and all.. Feb 26 10:13:01 ?? Feb 26 10:17:08 cpscotti: go to your product page and the page->edit Feb 26 10:33:16 Hello ! Feb 26 10:33:26 I see that ovistore as now paid content Feb 26 10:33:35 is it now open to developpers ? Feb 26 10:35:54 Khertan, not sure think the process is the same as it was, but you can enquire and find out Feb 26 10:35:56 Khertan: i suggest you spend some time with mame "Space Duel". i think it is the non-plus ultra asteroids style game Feb 26 10:36:33 pupnik_: Space Duel ? Feb 26 10:36:41 non-plus ? Feb 26 10:36:46 what did you mean ? Feb 26 10:36:52 thx lcuk for anssias Feb 26 10:36:55 thx lcuk for answer Feb 26 10:36:56 :) Feb 26 10:36:59 atari, early 80s. coin op Feb 26 10:37:28 pupnik, arcade joystick console with real coin mech Feb 26 10:37:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Duel Feb 26 10:37:37 mine is a clone of MineStorm ... on vectrex ... an 82 game :) Feb 26 10:37:39 bluetooth + big screen Feb 26 10:38:03 and a fine clone it is... Feb 26 10:38:39 thx Feb 26 10:39:53 our mame could use a lot of work Feb 26 10:40:30 gaah.. Vulture's Eye is hogging my time! Feb 26 10:40:55 are the new colors better for you mece ? Feb 26 10:41:42 if you didnt notice a change that is good also Feb 26 10:44:28 .. Feb 26 10:49:48 are there new colors? Feb 26 10:50:01 yes Feb 26 10:50:08 pupnik_, I just recently started playing it, so perhaps I've only seen the new ones. Feb 26 10:50:14 ok Feb 26 10:50:14 pupnik_, never played it before. Feb 26 10:50:39 i think it works quite nicely. takes some time to learnm of course Feb 26 10:51:51 yeah.. well I've played "some" nethack in my time ;) Feb 26 10:51:52 if you care to, please take notes of ideas to make it easier to play Feb 26 10:52:13 pupnik_, do you develop it then? Feb 26 10:52:46 i would consider making some patches Feb 26 10:53:03 pupnik_, ok. cool. Hey is there supposed to be sound? Feb 26 10:53:13 dunno Feb 26 10:53:47 well there is no sound on my device afaict. Feb 26 11:05:40 Is there any way to send/recieve styles (think colored text) in IM protocols? Feb 26 11:06:07 * SpeedEvil hopes not. Feb 26 11:06:37 n900 says no. Feb 26 11:08:54 :( Feb 26 11:15:09 n900 says 'colours make baby jesus weep blood' Feb 26 11:23:15 hmm Feb 26 11:27:45 GeneralAntilles: so, my mac panic'd trying to use zfs send Feb 26 11:27:53 it seems that i have corruption on my hdd (surprise!) Feb 26 11:28:14 * timeless_mbp is now going to try to run zpool status/scrub from an opensolaris vbox Feb 26 11:29:07 heh hos you muck up zfs.. lol Feb 26 11:30:22 anyone know where I could go look for source code of the facebook-sharing-service deb ? Feb 26 11:30:31 * timeless_mbp gets totally confused Feb 26 11:30:37 apt-get source packagename? Feb 26 11:32:35 homeasvs_, not sure it is free.... Feb 26 11:33:31 zaheerm, me neither, which makes it harder to either fix it or remove the config so I can try again Feb 26 11:36:41 homeasvs_, settings, sharing accounts, .... Feb 26 11:37:00 allows you to delete your facebook account Feb 26 11:37:10 zaheerm, yeah, so yesterday that simply crashed settings, now after reinstalling facebook debs, it doesn't crash but it also doesn't show anything when I click facebook Feb 26 11:37:15 the flickr one does bring up a dialog Feb 26 11:37:23 :( Feb 26 11:37:41 it doesn't look like those sharing plugin settings are stored in gconf either Feb 26 11:37:51 i guess first file a bug in maemo bugzilla and then experiment a little with inspecting the binaries Feb 26 11:42:09 ok, found some clues, signond is involved Feb 26 11:42:18 perverse nokia, naming a file .xml and have it be binary ... Feb 26 11:53:01 heya all Feb 26 11:56:01 ooh.. samba in extras-devel. Nice. Feb 26 11:56:13 I'm a bit surprised by Maemos user policy. Why does it use a single user instead of a normal user and group strategy? Feb 26 11:56:33 and "user" seems to have a password set, but I don't know what it is. Is it safe to change it? Feb 26 11:56:40 it is intended for single user devices Feb 26 11:56:43 actually it's even in testing Feb 26 11:56:53 jo-erlend, it has no password, and yes it's safe to set. Feb 26 11:57:04 at least I have a password, and no problems. Feb 26 11:57:48 can I set it up for more than one user and via privileges decide who can access 3g and phone, for instance? Feb 26 12:04:06 jo-erlend, yep. Feb 26 12:04:15 i need a mode to silence IM/email during the night Feb 26 12:04:26 nasty to be woken up by mail that arrives at 3:30 am Feb 26 12:04:44 anybody have a solution to that? Feb 26 12:04:47 mece, then I'd get a login screen on bootup, or do I have to install anything special for that also? Feb 26 12:05:18 jo-erlend, no login screen. Feb 26 12:05:22 corecode: there is Silencer, that ought to set your phone to a silent mode for a specified time Feb 26 12:05:34 Lynoure: yea, but then alarms won't work either Feb 26 12:05:57 jo-erlend, the phone will be exactly as before. only remote logins are affected. Feb 26 12:06:25 mece, ah, ok. Feb 26 12:06:36 My N900 keeps asking me to "Select connection" quite a lot, even if I don't choose to do any network stuff, despite me setting Internet connections->Connect automatically to Always ask Feb 26 12:07:02 This is not quite what I thought "Always ask" would mean, though it pretty much asks always always (urgh) Feb 26 12:07:05 Lynoure, well if you tell it to ask, why would you be surprised if it asks? Feb 26 12:07:20 mece: any way to make it not poll for net all the time? Feb 26 12:07:34 do you have any widgets on the desktop? Feb 26 12:07:36 the battery drain this causes is significant Feb 26 12:07:38 Lynoure, by disabling the thing that polls the net Feb 26 12:07:59 hey... In N900, I try calling a number of the form #1234*. Normally, that's sent as a query to the operator. But that doesn't happen in N900. Any ideas? Feb 26 12:08:07 mece: no setting for "only poll for net after asking me for an ok?" Feb 26 12:08:55 SpeedEvil: yes, weather widget.. which is set for manual update only Feb 26 12:10:03 Lynoure, no there is no switch that forbids applications to ask for network access. Feb 26 12:10:34 mece: I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :) Feb 26 12:11:13 Is there somewhere a setting for no phone and no wlan? Or for a plane, do I need to turn the device off? Feb 26 12:11:29 ah, there, found it. Feb 26 12:11:44 on a plane you use offline mode Feb 26 12:12:03 jo-erlend: it's a bug. Tehre is an app - ussd-widget or something Feb 26 12:12:08 Also during the night Feb 26 12:12:18 N900 really doesn't use much power without display or network Feb 26 12:12:45 During the night mine is plugged in the charger, so I wouldn't know. Feb 26 12:12:51 Hukka: for the night I'd like the no-wlan mode Feb 26 12:13:10 Hukka: because I still want to be there if my sister calls with anything urgent Feb 26 12:13:10 SpeedEvil, ussd-widget? Feb 26 12:13:13 Lynoure: Or perhaps 2g only mode? Feb 26 12:13:27 but umm.. Feb 26 12:13:37 Hukka: if there were one? Feb 26 12:13:44 Sure there is Feb 26 12:13:45 3g2gdual switcher and always ask does what you want. Feb 26 12:13:51 In the settings take dual off Feb 26 12:14:23 Lynoure: Certainly you have checked the ways your phone can be configured :? Feb 26 12:14:38 SpeedEvil, oh.. USSD is the name for those codes to be sent to the operator? Feb 26 12:14:49 Hukka: öh Feb 26 12:16:06 Lynoure, I'm not sure I understand this: "I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :)" Feb 26 12:16:10 Hukka: I went though everything originally... But had a 3G deal with the phone company then. Feb 26 12:16:32 mece: you know, on linux there is a difference between e.g. pinging and connecting to a wlan Feb 26 12:16:43 Lynoure: Well sure, I have too, but forcing 2g only can save battery Feb 26 12:17:09 mece: if the application asks to ping, but the system does not provice the wlan connection, it just fails Feb 26 12:17:10 Quite often the phone is on the brink of dropping from 3g to 2g, and then the constant reconnections can drain the battery Feb 26 12:17:21 Of course if the 3g is stable, then it just sits on the standby mode Feb 26 12:17:43 Lynoure, oh. I see. Ok so we're talking about searching for wlan. There's an option in internet connections search interval. set it to never. Feb 26 12:17:44 Hukka: pretty solid 3g for me, so far Feb 26 12:18:11 mece: hmm, I have not found it. Where? Feb 26 12:18:18 internet connections. Feb 26 12:18:25 settings -> internet connections. Feb 26 12:18:32 mece: Yes, but not the Connect Automatically? Feb 26 12:18:33 the first screen Feb 26 12:18:52 if you have always ask, it will not poll. Feb 26 12:18:56 Sorry for pimping, but all the finns wanting to join netcycler.com and give me points (and save the planet!), I have invites :) Feb 26 12:18:57 mece: it does. Feb 26 12:19:04 mece: like I said in the beginning. Feb 26 12:19:10 how do you know? Feb 26 12:19:23 mece: because that's how I have it set :( Feb 26 12:19:29 are you monitoring it somehow?? Feb 26 12:19:52 mece: I know because it asks me "Select connection" pretty much every time I switch the display on Feb 26 12:20:06 that's enough monitor to see it :/ Feb 26 12:21:41 Ok, right. So the problem is that you have an application that wants to connect every now and then. or all the time, and when it tries that, the dialogue asks which connection to use, and to do that it has to poll for wlan? Feb 26 12:22:05 really nice to use a/v with google talk, except I think it's a bit heavy for n900. It became completely unresponsive when I minimized it and tried to launch other apps. Feb 26 12:22:24 but it works very nicely. No setup at all :> Feb 26 12:23:09 mece: would be nicer if it just asked if I want this activitity to get network automatically. But that's santaclausing Feb 26 12:23:57 Lynoure, and then disconnect afterwards or..? Feb 26 12:24:08 Lynoure, I mean always ask means just that. Always ask. Feb 26 12:24:42 mece: always ask would be ok too Feb 26 12:24:59 Lynoure, that's what it does, but you don't want that. Feb 26 12:24:59 mece: always poll for wlans, that's what annoys me Feb 26 12:25:20 Lynoure, ok, there's a wlan switcher available somewhere. Feb 26 12:25:27 its in testing, works fine Feb 26 12:25:34 disables wlan entirely unless you re-enable it Feb 26 12:25:52 the connection screen will just give you non-wlan connection options with it disabled Feb 26 12:26:09 nid0: ooh :) Can't wait. (or I can, but you get the sentiment...) Feb 26 12:26:28 its well worth enabling testing to grab it if you want to use it Feb 26 12:26:46 then vote it up in the qa queue if you're happy with it, to get it into extras for others to use Feb 26 12:27:29 nid0: I do have extras-devel active... what's the thing called? Feb 26 12:27:38 nid0, what's it called Feb 26 12:27:38 its in extras-testing, not devel Feb 26 12:27:47 Wifi Switcher 0.0.6 Feb 26 12:27:55 nid0, he means that he's not afraid of testing, since he already has devel. Feb 26 12:27:59 or she? Feb 26 12:28:09 current version wont (shouldnt) get into extras though, as it has no bugtracker link Feb 26 12:28:15 and the author's on holiday Feb 26 12:28:26 but iv been using it a couple of weeks and had 0 problems Feb 26 12:29:27 mece: he or she is fine. Female, but way attached to gender neutral pronouns as that's all my native tongue has. Feb 26 12:29:43 it? Feb 26 12:30:13 hän? Feb 26 12:30:42 Seems I can also get the behaviour I want if I make Connect automatically -> Always, then it lets me set Scan interval -> Never, and then Connect always -> Always ask Feb 26 12:30:46 mece: hän, yes. Feb 26 12:31:28 s/always/automatically/ Feb 26 12:31:59 With this combo network things just fail quietly, but I can manually connect to a wlan if that's what I want Feb 26 12:32:47 (or so it seemed with quick testing, hmm, but not with further testing) Feb 26 12:33:39 Lynoure, when producing a list of available connections with the always ask options, it then scans, regardless of your interval apparently. Feb 26 12:34:53 mece: makes sense, for that... no sense giving an expired list Feb 26 12:36:41 still no details on powermat batteries /wrists Feb 26 12:36:45 It could just ask wether to search at all Feb 26 12:36:46 Lynoure, anyway, the wlan switcher disables this battery eating problem, if you consider it a problem. Feb 26 12:37:02 Hukka, yes that would be ideal imo. Feb 26 12:37:14 using the wlan switcher has made a big difference to me, if it's battery you're trying to improve Feb 26 12:37:19 Hukka: that's exactly what I was kind of expecting Feb 26 12:37:24 for powersavers btw, this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45053 is pretty sweet Feb 26 12:37:45 compared to having wifi connected constantly (but idle, with power saving mode enabled, and transmitting at 10mw) disabling wlan entirely has almost doubled my battery life Feb 26 12:39:22 mece: thanks Feb 26 12:40:08 nid0, well there is naturally a huge difference between being online and not, regardless of wlan enabled or not. Feb 26 12:41:09 that difference is massive though, other phones iv ever used totally disabling idle wlan over leaving it connected and idle with power saving active is only a 10-20% power saving Feb 26 12:41:14 rather than 100% Feb 26 12:42:28 nid0, did you have the wlan drain bug? Feb 26 12:42:49 not that I know, and the difference is the same post 1.1.1 Feb 26 12:43:27 with my usage with wifi connected but mostly idle, I get a shade over 24 hours of battery life. using wifi switcher to disable wlan when its not actively used, im at around 48 hours, with nothing else changing Feb 26 12:44:25 pretty much as I have experienced every phone with internet options I've had. Feb 26 12:44:41 stay offline -> double (or more) batterylife. Feb 26 12:45:22 certainly coming from an e90 I never had remotely that difference, with it connected to wifi 24 hours a day that phone would last 4-5 days quite happily, with wifi disabled other than when in use it'd add an extra day at best Feb 26 12:45:26 I've heard people claim that it only takes 20% more to be connected and idle, but It's bs afaict Feb 26 12:45:49 how do I record phone conversations on n900? I installed "Recorder" and it does record audio, but it doesn't record the actual conversations. Any ideas? Feb 26 12:45:50 htc's hd2 doesnt seem to have much difference between wifi connected and not either Feb 26 12:46:09 in power use? Feb 26 12:46:15 yep Feb 26 12:46:24 jo-erlend - there's an app in extras for recording calls Feb 26 12:46:32 wifi chipsets are better and better Feb 26 12:46:42 3g gsm takes more power Feb 26 12:46:52 ah yes and my figures are with 2g only :> Feb 26 12:47:00 jo-erlend: try recaller Feb 26 12:47:13 jo-erlend: I have it installed, have not given it a try yet Feb 26 12:47:32 nid0, but we're talking about wlan, not gprs Feb 26 12:48:04 I know, I was just pointing out that my 24/48 hour battery lives with wlan enabled and idle/disabled are all with 2g only Feb 26 12:48:27 * Arif_ hands nid0 a 3G tower Feb 26 12:48:39 towel, you mean towel. Feb 26 12:48:46 got one plenty in range, but <24 hour battery life makes baby nidO cry :( Feb 26 12:48:47 nid0, do you know exaclty how "idle" your wlan is then? Feb 26 12:48:56 morning, btw :P Feb 26 12:49:02 Arif_: what is a use of 3G when you have wifi in range... Feb 26 12:49:23 wasting your battery ? :D Feb 26 12:49:35 mece, outside of the times it's being actively used it's doing nothing, I tested it with all auto syncs/fetches disabled Feb 26 12:49:49 nid0, you mean deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ freemandle free non-free? Feb 26 12:49:58 nid0, or should I enable another repo? Feb 26 12:50:06 so in a 24 hour battery life run it's maybe actively being used for an hour when i'm doing things with the phone, and doing zero for the remaining 23 Feb 26 12:50:10 I get about 3 days use with only 3G on when I need it Feb 26 12:50:14 =} Feb 26 12:50:22 * hrw -> food Feb 26 12:50:37 and that's about 3 hours of radio streaming and maybe 1 hour of video streaming a day Feb 26 12:50:45 jo-erlend thats the extras repo yeah, it should already be on the device and just need enabling in HAM Feb 26 12:51:01 * X-Fade hands jo-erlend a -e Feb 26 12:51:15 jo-erlend: fremantle ;) Feb 26 12:51:29 * Arif_ found some old simcards today :D Feb 26 12:51:44 X-Fade, yes, I saw that later. I didn't bother correcting it, as everyone would know which one I was talking about anyway. :) Feb 26 12:52:13 Arif_, they Feb 26 12:52:22 Arif_, they're good for guitar picks! :) Feb 26 12:52:34 * Arif_ plays saz :P Feb 26 12:52:41 indeed. :) Feb 26 12:53:17 Arif_, like this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%C4%9Flama Feb 26 12:53:23 yes Feb 26 12:53:27 that one :D Feb 26 12:53:34 sudo make me a cup of tea Feb 26 12:53:48 Myrtti, acces denied Feb 26 12:53:51 app manager <> calculator need to swap places in the menu tbh. Feb 26 12:54:06 awwwwwwwwwWWWWWWW Feb 26 12:54:20 I have Turkish tea if you want :D Feb 26 12:55:39 make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop. Feb 26 12:56:06 * Arif_ hits DocScrutinizer over the head with a timble Feb 26 12:57:01 Lynoure, I installed it, but I'm not able to add it to the desktop. Feb 26 12:57:20 if thats recaller, I think it needs a reboot to show up properly Feb 26 12:58:13 jo-erlend: I cannot remember how I added it. Feb 26 12:58:26 add a widget? Feb 26 12:58:27 ;p Feb 26 12:58:57 Arif_: I mean after a reboot or no, or as add widget or add launcher (as the thing is tiny) Feb 26 12:59:24 I guess it's widget Feb 26 12:59:36 it just appeared on the desktop for me Feb 26 12:59:45 and yes, it's a widget Feb 26 13:00:00 But, now off to the gym... Feb 26 13:00:02 though I have no idea where it saves the recordings and in what format Feb 26 13:00:06 it needs settings!' Feb 26 13:00:33 added widgets have annoying habit to hide behinde others Feb 26 13:01:26 upper left corner a good spot to search for them Feb 26 13:02:33 they usually appear wherever's empty Feb 26 13:02:52 and if the desktop is full it jumps to the next screen for some odd reason :P Feb 26 13:02:57 hmm, not for me Feb 26 13:03:12 and when you try to move it all widgets dissapear and the desktop edit mode crashes Feb 26 13:03:13 :D Feb 26 13:03:59 heh, I made my desktop crash loopbooting, when I tried to move foreca to another screen Feb 26 13:04:07 had to reflash :-P Feb 26 13:04:23 aww Feb 26 13:04:30 mine only went blank and I had to readd everything Feb 26 13:04:43 oh well Feb 26 13:04:52 maybe we'll have a stable OS in Maemo 9 Feb 26 13:05:16 most likely not Feb 26 13:05:27 as maemo9 won't happen Feb 26 13:06:00 I'll settles for maemo6, dude ;) Feb 26 13:06:41 Arif_: Turkish tea? I want a cup of it - with sugar Feb 26 13:09:43 * Arif_ DCCs hrw some tea Feb 26 13:14:03 the good thing in guadec2008 was Turkish tea and coffee Feb 26 13:16:04 today seems like such a quiet day Feb 26 13:17:04 weekend starts soon Feb 26 13:17:09 :) Feb 26 13:17:33 have I messed up my email, or has maemo-dev been quiet the past day? Feb 26 13:17:34 friday afternoon. Feel happy as long as all stays quite Feb 26 13:17:51 ooh, I messed it up Feb 26 13:18:12 hrw, I can do the catering(sp?) if you give me enough money :P Feb 26 13:19:05 * DocScrutinizer wonders if someone has grabbed the new info on branch instructions he dropped on LED_patterns lately Feb 26 13:19:12 eeehehe Feb 26 13:19:18 symbian ^4 UI :D Feb 26 13:19:44 * Arif_ thinks DocScrutinizer should write a GUI application to edit LED patterns Feb 26 13:19:51 tmo down? Feb 26 13:19:53 bah Feb 26 13:20:27 nooo, seriously Feb 26 13:20:38 it is Feb 26 13:21:44 * hrw|gone -> off Feb 26 13:22:26 up again. Feb 26 13:24:48 Arif_: "A. Command compiler software is available with the evaluation kit." http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-1562.pdf Feb 26 13:25:38 * Arif_ blinks Feb 26 13:31:16 basically I guess a gifted C coder can turn cpp into a LP5523 compiler by definition of 2 dozen macros, in less than 1 hour Feb 26 13:31:52 that's not me though ;-P Feb 26 13:32:20 Basically I have no idea what you're talking about ;) Feb 26 13:33:54 I'm talking bout creating a *very* simple macro assembler (this is _no_ compiler after all) Feb 26 13:46:56 any defect usb owners ? Feb 26 13:47:20 i think it would be helpful to report the build dates on http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_USB&action=edit Feb 26 13:50:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB Feb 26 14:17:10 wtf Feb 26 14:17:23 why is a 3€ product 3$ in the US store Feb 26 14:17:42 cos 3.27 doesn't look pretty Feb 26 14:18:14 it should be at least 4$ there Feb 26 14:18:34 or even better Feb 26 14:18:43 it should be 2,20€ here Feb 26 14:18:45 :D Feb 26 14:19:21 Stskeeps: 3.30 would be good Feb 26 14:19:39 3 eur=4,06 usd Feb 26 14:19:45 3 usd=2,21 eur Feb 26 14:19:55 =P Feb 26 14:23:25 I really don't understand this... Feb 26 14:23:37 and I'll never buy at these conditions :P Feb 26 14:23:50 price should be the same Feb 26 14:23:55 mh Feb 26 14:23:58 I can't even buy anything Feb 26 14:24:01 I have no CC :D Feb 26 14:24:13 and... in particular Feb 26 14:24:28 I know that 1€ = 1,4$ Feb 26 14:24:29 but.... Feb 26 14:25:01 Lets try to avoid puting Feb 26 14:25:02 the average people here earn 1000€/month, in USA I don't think they earn 1000$/month! Feb 26 14:25:03 every Feb 26 14:25:05 line Feb 26 14:25:06 on Feb 26 14:25:08 another Feb 26 14:25:11 line Feb 26 14:25:16 sorry :) Feb 26 14:25:38 * Arif_ throws warez at pupnik_ Feb 26 14:27:01 consumer price index! Feb 26 14:27:24 there is a nice channel called ##economics on this network. It is one of my favorite channels. Feb 26 14:28:37 is there also a #economics_is_stupid ? Feb 26 14:28:49 doese it have people moaning about prices too? Feb 26 14:29:31 does it regularly have socialism vs. laissez-faire capitalism vs. neoliberal capitalism debates? Feb 26 14:29:59 communism ftw? Feb 26 14:30:10 digital communism ftw! Feb 26 14:30:22 :P Feb 26 14:30:25 parecon ftw! Feb 26 14:35:58 Anyone know if a build of nginx has been done for Maemo5? Or if version for Diablo will work? Feb 26 14:46:00 KMFDM: yea "rip the system" Feb 26 14:47:42 Hey, if you don't want to pay a lot for consumer goods then you shouldn't practice socialism. Feb 26 14:48:07 or dumpsterism Feb 26 14:50:33 GAN900: depends what you consider by paying Feb 26 14:51:09 breathing intoxicated air is paying somehow ... Feb 26 14:51:10 Ew, why am I getting Hildon Notes for highlights? Feb 26 14:52:01 rzr, and socialism somehow reduces polution? Feb 26 14:52:05 no Feb 26 14:52:09 i didnt say that Feb 26 14:52:19 but cheap products = waste Feb 26 14:52:23 and waste = pay ! Feb 26 14:52:51 so dont focus only on money ... Feb 26 14:52:55 lol Feb 26 14:53:07 Whatever, it's offtopic Feb 26 14:53:15 ack Feb 26 14:53:20 we're 200% agrea on that :) Feb 26 14:53:57 and who fire first ? Feb 26 14:56:10 No idea Feb 26 14:58:01 any idea if one can somehow make all clicks draw some small, faded-out-over-time indicator on the screen? Feb 26 14:58:44 there are plenty of times I'm sure I've hit the screen appropriately so as to trigger a widget, but it doesn't trigger. I repeat and it behaves as expected. Feb 26 14:59:20 i get that too :/ Feb 26 14:59:55 thats resistive screens for you Feb 26 15:00:18 yeah. it is registering the press because it vibrates Feb 26 15:00:28 it just isn't registering the location Feb 26 15:08:06 what do you guys use for protecting your N900? Like Zagg InvisibleShield™ or Vikuiti? Feb 26 15:08:24 nothing on my screen, and a leather case to carry it in Feb 26 15:09:18 anybody knows the equivalent of asm("int $3") on ARM? Feb 26 15:09:44 I tried asm("bkpt") but for some reason CPU usage goes to 100% but it doesnt break Feb 26 15:14:05 ptl: vikuity cleartec scratches quickly Feb 26 15:14:13 but has a good feel Feb 26 15:14:15 buy a 5 pack Feb 26 15:16:41 sounds same as durasec cleartec then Feb 26 15:16:45 also 5pak :) Feb 26 15:18:45 ptl: Brando ultraclear Feb 26 15:18:48 ptl: cheap ebay protector Feb 26 15:19:33 fucking e63 headset bug, I hate you Feb 26 15:19:44 * nid0 longs for the day screen protectors are no longer needed Feb 26 15:20:18 * SpeedEvil longs for the day screens are no longer needed. Feb 26 15:20:36 my longing's realistic though, crossing fingers for a year or two max Feb 26 15:22:32 ali1234: indeed Feb 26 15:23:04 ok Feb 26 15:23:10 Branco ultraclear? I'll google for it Feb 26 15:23:41 ptl: shop.brando.com.hk IIRC Feb 26 15:25:53 is there any solution around yet for the problem of ts going to catch random erratic clicks when inbound call activates screen while device in pocket? Feb 26 15:26:38 put said device in hard-fronted case is the only current solution, afaik Feb 26 15:27:07 this is actually what I have here, still not satisfactory Feb 26 15:27:38 odd, iv never actually had any keys accidentally pressed with mine living in it's leather case Feb 26 15:27:46 is the turning on and off of the screen linked to the touch sensitive matrix by hardware or by software? Feb 26 15:27:51 dialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than apps Feb 26 15:27:53 The benefit of screen protectors seem to be that you can swap them when they get too scratched :-) Feb 26 15:28:06 s/than apps/than buttons/ Feb 26 15:28:07 DocScrutinizer meant: dialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than buttons Feb 26 15:28:25 tbh the call problem seems like it should be really easy to fix though, it doesnt need to be sliders even Feb 26 15:28:35 ShadowJK: you can swap the touchpanel as well :-P Feb 26 15:28:40 whats wrong with just keeping the screen deactivated when the proximity sensor picks up your pocket Feb 26 15:29:00 and only have the screen activate when the proximity reading's gone (ie phone's out of your pocket) Feb 26 15:29:05 DocScrutinizer, sure, but the touch window assy is like 60E and lots of tiny fiddly bits Feb 26 15:29:26 unscratchable glass is the answer Feb 26 15:29:41 Also, does anybody know a way to debug Control Panel applets? Feb 26 15:29:48 there's no such thing as uncratchable.. Feb 26 15:29:53 nid0: brilliant Feb 26 15:30:04 there is when you mean in all practical senses of the word Feb 26 15:30:11 Or rather, if unscratchable glass exiss, I want it on my car :) Feb 26 15:30:23 go get your car refitted with gorilla glass Feb 26 15:30:42 i've played with a sheet of it recently, and you have to *literally* take a knife to it, hard, to scratch it in any way Feb 26 15:31:33 oh like when scraping ice off of it? :-) Feb 26 15:31:33 does it take sandstorms Feb 26 15:31:45 diamant coating is the answer :-D Feb 26 15:31:50 shitty plastic ice scaper thing != knife Feb 26 15:32:07 DocScrutinizer: full diamond windows Feb 26 15:32:29 Jaffa: had time to patch python-evolution yet? Feb 26 15:32:33 (actually done by special carbon vaporization in vacuum) Feb 26 15:33:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSinEmsOGKo - take a watch Feb 26 15:33:57 Is control panel source code available somewhere? There used to be a public SVN at stage.maemo.org which is now gone Feb 26 15:34:11 is it on maemo.gitorious.org? Feb 26 15:35:14 Offtopic: anybody have some good links for a networked home surveillance system? Feb 26 15:35:19 where is the best place to get the n900 kernel source? Feb 26 15:35:28 I found where it can be downloaded using sdk Feb 26 15:35:28 cbrake: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 Feb 26 15:36:11 Stskeeps: so no git repo or anything like that? Feb 26 15:36:24 ShadowJK: I looked there but I can't find control panel Feb 26 15:36:29 cbrake: correct, sadly Feb 26 15:36:31 it was in old SVN though Feb 26 15:36:47 GAN900: homematic.com ? Feb 26 15:37:02 zap: use http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html as a guide Feb 26 15:37:16 just ordered pdair rubber with screen protector Feb 26 15:37:17 anyone of you knows how to modify/add webpages in a garage project? I mean... how can I customize http://myproject.garage.maemo.org? Feb 26 15:38:18 Andy80: Put the web pages in the www dir in your svn/git. Feb 26 15:38:53 Stskeeps: thank you very much, found it Feb 26 15:40:01 Stskeeps: I just moved your post about using MADDE to build themes to wiki got tired of googling to find it lol Feb 26 15:40:12 X-Fade: just static pages are supported or even dinamic one? Feb 26 15:40:31 Andy80: Only static. Feb 26 15:40:53 yay N900! :D Feb 26 15:41:19 i have xchat, i'm going to download a few emulators, but Feb 26 15:41:25 is there a ftp-client for maemo? Feb 26 15:42:14 FIQ: yes Feb 26 15:42:18 atleast 2 I know of Feb 26 15:42:20 yay Feb 26 15:43:22 %!%)"(%)"#(=(!%)= HAM Feb 26 15:43:38 ask me to update packages and then on update half of the packages "don't exist" wtf? Feb 26 15:44:53 DocScrutinizer, thanks. Feb 26 15:45:05 yw Feb 26 15:45:28 costs more than gold, but really rigid quality Feb 26 15:46:42 Can I run JBoss on my N900? Feb 26 15:47:29 no Feb 26 15:47:33 bad ptl bad! Feb 26 15:47:35 stop doing that Feb 26 15:47:37 * ptl bad :( Feb 26 15:47:38 ok Feb 26 15:47:44 ptl: Just kidding. Feb 26 15:47:52 I wonder if I could make a beowulf cluster of N900s! Feb 26 15:48:17 ptl: I can't for the life of me understand why you would use such a pig on the N900 but if the memmory constraints is not stopinf you - why not? Feb 26 15:48:44 ptl: Wow how many N900 have you got?? :) Feb 26 15:49:17 only 1 Feb 26 15:49:24 but Feb 26 15:49:26 I dunno Feb 26 15:49:32 just doing some brainstorm Feb 26 15:49:51 maybe we find a use for distributed use of mobile devices Feb 26 15:50:26 re Feb 26 15:50:45 ptl: for what? Feb 26 15:50:59 there are better choices for making buildfarm for native builds Feb 26 15:51:33 I dunno, just exploring with some thought experiments Feb 26 15:51:48 ptl: OBS is all the rage for distributed cross building Feb 26 15:51:58 it's what meego will use Feb 26 15:52:14 Opensuse Build System Feb 26 15:52:15 hope you know your way around opensuse though, if you want to use it Feb 26 15:52:22 I don't Feb 26 15:52:24 never used... Feb 26 15:52:45 ali1234: you do not need opensuse to use obs Feb 26 15:52:46 is it actually suse-specific? I've heard rumours that it can build packages for distros like Debian too Feb 26 15:53:03 hrw: the server can only be installed on opensuse or centos Feb 26 15:53:04 I always assumed it was just a branding thing, sort of like Ubuntu One not really being ubuntu-specific Feb 26 15:53:11 hrw: unless you build it from source Feb 26 15:53:57 maybe Feb 26 15:54:08 you don't need opensuse/centos to run the client, but the client wont operate without a server, so you either need opensuse to run the server, or you need an account on novell's OBS server, in which case you can only build against the distros they have available Feb 26 15:54:49 oh.. disaster... Feb 26 15:54:56 * hrw prefers OpenEmbedded anyway Feb 26 16:00:13 openembedded sucks Feb 26 16:00:30 ptl: we at OM considered to build the largest mobile beowulf cluster out of all the FR collecting dust on the shelf ;-) Just a fun idea Feb 26 16:00:46 i'd rather just learn opensuse once than be forever writing OM recipes Feb 26 16:01:07 i mean OE Feb 26 16:01:41 bkitbake Feb 26 16:01:48 This seems like a revival for suse Feb 26 16:01:50 lol Feb 26 16:02:08 Ok, I can dig into opensuse, but please don't start using mono on Maemo ;) Feb 26 16:04:46 MONO, waaaaaahhhh Feb 26 16:05:43 windows .net idiots compatibility layer Feb 26 16:06:23 oh and guys we need NDIS wrapper as well \o/ \o/ \o/ Feb 26 16:06:28 sorry for explicit speech Feb 26 16:06:44 because there are so many different wireless cards you could install in your n900, yeah Feb 26 16:07:01 mgedmin: ? Usb wifi cards - for sure? :) Feb 26 16:07:12 because the n900 supports usb host mode sooo well Feb 26 16:07:23 it doesn't? Feb 26 16:07:29 tybollt: sure, with the great usb hostmode support N900 got Feb 26 16:07:40 shrug I never bothered to check actually :) Feb 26 16:07:45 so it doesn't do usb host? Feb 26 16:08:03 nope, as for now Feb 26 16:08:10 tybollt, was I on the moon when the n900 host mode support got announced? all I know is people alternately saying "NO" and "maaaaybe, if I could get my hands on a n900 and a soldering iron" Feb 26 16:08:24 rumor has it it lacks hw support for it Feb 26 16:08:52 the usb chip supports it but the leads aren't connected or something like that Feb 26 16:09:16 how about learn how to do make something useful for maemo? Feb 26 16:09:42 basically the most important thing is whether it has USB-VBUS power supply, or not Feb 26 16:10:23 actually http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Feb 26 16:10:28 then it's also unclear if you can switch the PHY chip to hostmode Feb 26 16:10:31 breaks it down pretty good Feb 26 16:10:41 putting people on ignore helps you reduce scroll-off of useful comments Feb 26 16:11:04 does anyone know how n900 etc xorg hides the mouse pointer? Feb 26 16:11:37 ali1234: all pointers are symlinked to a transparent pointer Feb 26 16:11:45 hmm Feb 26 16:11:56 that's no good for what i need Feb 26 16:12:31 i have visible pointer here with my own pointer substituted for transp Feb 26 16:12:51 say i run vnc on NIT, connect it to vncserver on my desktop Feb 26 16:13:10 i will see a mouse pointer from the remote desktop Feb 26 16:13:21 but that's pointless and annoying on a touchscreen Feb 26 16:13:53 i like seeing the pointer. helps target links Feb 26 16:26:44 Hi there. I just tried to install the pythonlibrary rdflib. But it faild due to the installed gcc. Is there another way to port this python module? Feb 26 16:27:03 s/faild/failed Feb 26 16:27:18 Can some people look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964 and give me your option on my idea? Feb 26 16:28:43 wow really, maemo is this popular? Feb 26 16:30:28 is witter optified? Feb 26 16:30:51 ptl afaik yes Feb 26 16:31:18 c|oneman: what you see on this channel is only 4% of the community, if that Feb 26 16:32:02 I can't imagine what will happen when more than 1 phone actually runs it Feb 26 16:32:10 their are 35k members on talk so this isn't that much Feb 26 16:32:24 1.59% b-man17 :p Feb 26 16:32:31 what's talk? Feb 26 16:32:37 talk.maemo.org Feb 26 16:32:49 Andrewfblack thats a pretty sweet idea Feb 26 16:32:59 and their are lots that are Mailing lists that don't use talk Feb 26 16:33:00 hi everybody, anyone from italy? :) Feb 26 16:33:13 Brendan[BP]: I just need a programmer to make it happen Feb 26 16:33:26 c|oneman, well technically the 770, N800, and the N810 ran maemo Feb 26 16:33:48 Andrewfblack wish i could help, i only program in F# and to programmingfu isnt fantastic at the moment Feb 26 16:34:01 770, N800 and N810 weren't phones though Feb 26 16:34:18 Brendan[BP]: just go learn C++ and QT real quick lol Feb 26 16:34:24 Or python Feb 26 16:35:18 Andrewfblack hehehehe im really interested in learning QT, ive got all the stuff to do it on the old pc... :p just actually getting around it it hahah... if only i wasnt capped right now... :( Feb 26 16:35:25 F#? Feb 26 16:36:02 ptl its a functional programming language Feb 26 16:36:49 oh Feb 26 16:36:57 functional programming languages are weird. Feb 26 16:37:16 Andrewfblack, no Feb 26 16:37:18 hahahha amen to that! Feb 26 16:37:29 lcuk: don't like the idea? Feb 26 16:37:33 lcuk, no?? Feb 26 16:37:50 thats my first impression anyway Feb 26 16:37:57 i considered similar for liqbase stuff Feb 26 16:38:04 its ok if you have data files only Feb 26 16:38:11 but arent those slider things apps? Feb 26 16:38:28 lcuk: nope just data files in theme folder Feb 26 16:38:44 Andrewfblack, maybe then :P Feb 26 16:38:45 all the stuff I talked about are just files in the theme folder Feb 26 16:39:30 all the needs to do is list the theme element packages, download the one you want and unpack and over write old files. Feb 26 16:39:31 * tybollt does the "show me the money" dance from Jerry Maguire but instead chants "show me the 1.2!" Feb 26 16:39:43 1.2 for the people Feb 26 16:40:27 * SpeedEvil is still waiting on the last update Feb 26 16:42:22 Andrewfblack, and how do you recover after reflashing/restoring Feb 26 16:42:30 speedy: Huh? No 1.1.1 for you yet? Feb 26 16:42:56 lcuk: how do I recover personally I run my backup or you talking about theme program? Feb 26 16:42:59 currently dont themes come via HAM and then get enabled Feb 26 16:43:05 theme Feb 26 16:43:33 lcuk: after a reflash you just download program again and pick the elements you want again Feb 26 16:43:51 thats the only way it would be possible anyway Feb 26 16:43:52 :S Feb 26 16:43:54 this program wont can't any default theme it will come with its own custom theme that all changes will be made to Feb 26 16:45:50 lcuk: I don't see whre a reflash would really hurt anything jsut have to setup what you want again Feb 26 16:48:08 Andrewfblack, the problem is reproducability and uber coolness. i like the idea but its implementation would be tricky and non reproduable Feb 26 16:48:14 what if, you did like dell Feb 26 16:48:20 theme-maker style Feb 26 16:48:27 the website offers basic theme Feb 26 16:48:30 then you modify it Feb 26 16:48:37 and at the end you are given url for new theme Feb 26 16:50:03 ma esiste una chat anche per gli italiani? io l'inglese lo so da schifo :( Feb 26 16:50:40 Andrewfblack, that could be done without any on device code, and full complete reproduability Feb 26 16:50:58 because theme_20100226_lcuk was the only one generated by me at that time Feb 26 16:51:07 lcuk: your idea would take masive web scripts to rebuild theme from your choices. I don't understand what is tricky about have a bunch of zip file on webserver that program downloads and unzips into theme folder Feb 26 16:51:16 if i pay for the extra levels of angry birds and have to reflash my phone Feb 26 16:51:28 can i download the game another time without paying? Feb 26 16:51:57 italian: provare a utilizzare Google Translate per capire cosa dice la gente qui Feb 26 16:52:41 ptl: thanks a lot :) Feb 26 16:52:44 oh wait, nevermidn Feb 26 16:52:53 fuck ovi store -> i don't have a credit card Feb 26 16:53:13 also don't know what you mean by non reproduable if you want to reproduce it jsut redownload the packs you had before Feb 26 16:54:35 Andrewfblack, when i need to backup/restore my data, everything comes back as i left it - without having to reselect anything - thats all i mean. Feb 26 16:54:53 dont worry tho, you are right it would work Feb 26 16:56:33 Vanadis: should be able to Feb 26 16:56:46 lcuk: that is true but the scripts for the server would be much harder to write and then you would have to install theme with xterm. My idea is much more user friendly Feb 26 16:56:52 anyway I did not passed 1st set of levels Feb 26 16:57:21 Andrewfblack, i thought themes came in debs and from app manager? Feb 26 16:57:51 user friendly is what we want Feb 26 16:57:52 :) Feb 26 16:58:53 lcuk: this wont be install a whole new theme each time just part that will over ride the file in the theme included with program. So if you want new text colors this program would download the color.css file and over ride it. Feb 26 16:59:12 Or if you want the pacman lockslider it will only download those files and override them Feb 26 16:59:36 then you select the theme that comes with program and you have just those changes Feb 26 16:59:58 * w00t wanders in Feb 26 17:00:02 If you want to go back to programs default on part of it. The program and do that as well because I will have the defaults on server Feb 26 17:00:47 Lunch time we can pick this up after that Feb 26 17:07:36 hey Feb 26 17:07:42 what does that F stand for in AndrewFBlack Feb 26 17:07:42 hoi Feb 26 17:10:36 * w00t grumbles at gender-neutral names Feb 26 17:10:55 like "w00t" Feb 26 17:11:02 texrat just called me a she :( Feb 26 17:11:27 he wasnt far wrng then :p Feb 26 17:11:32 oi Feb 26 17:11:53 i'm going to come to manchester and test my accelerometer by bouncing my n900 off your head in a minute :p Feb 26 17:12:02 feel free Feb 26 17:12:06 ive got more ammo than u Feb 26 17:12:14 hahah Feb 26 17:12:23 I know many people who would be very happy to have n900s thrown at them Feb 26 17:12:25 I've got a bunch of crappy winmo phones I could throw first :-) Feb 26 17:12:32 (and they'd hurt more, they're heavy) Feb 26 17:12:33 provided they could keep the n900 in question afterwards Feb 26 17:12:34 lol mgedmin a flaw in my plan Feb 26 17:12:53 be sure to start n900fly before throwing Feb 26 17:13:13 lol Feb 26 17:13:16 n900fly doesnt cut it in this instance Feb 26 17:13:21 not interested in the flight path Feb 26 17:13:26 its the damage vector Feb 26 17:13:43 hehe Feb 26 17:13:44 accelerometer should be able to measure sudden deceleration Feb 26 17:13:47 i asked earlier if qt has interfaces to railguns Feb 26 17:13:51 for n900orbit app Feb 26 17:13:51 ml-mobile: yes! Feb 26 17:14:01 of course ml-mobile Feb 26 17:16:43 oh, shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiuL4I8qg2s I can't believe someone actually did that. Feb 26 17:17:35 question, if I move a .ko file into /lib/modules/ shouldn't it load on startup? Feb 26 17:17:54 I apologize for the swearing. But if you see the video you'll do the same. Feb 26 17:18:03 have a nice rest of day Feb 26 17:18:10 MohammadAG: only if the device to which it refers is used Feb 26 17:18:29 or if it is on the automatically loaded modules list Feb 26 17:18:56 ptl, the boy would need a bagful of spare batteries to do all that in the forest Feb 26 17:19:37 mgedmin: I thought that too, lol Feb 26 17:20:42 ptl kk ty :) Feb 26 17:21:23 is there any midp emulator for maemo? Feb 26 17:21:25 a friend of mine is asking Feb 26 17:21:27 he's thinking about buying a N900 Feb 26 17:23:21 I just asked your question here. :) Feb 26 17:23:23 hey nfermat Feb 26 17:23:32 hi ptl Feb 26 17:24:03 hi all :-D Feb 26 17:24:22 no one knows about midp on maemo? Feb 26 17:24:30 midp? Feb 26 17:24:35 nfermat: I found that: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31727 Feb 26 17:24:57 you mean like midpssh? Feb 26 17:25:04 * Arif_ burps Feb 26 17:25:09 * mgedmin heard of MIDs as a generic term of devices larger than a nokia tablet but smaller than a netbook, but /me doesn't know midp Feb 26 17:26:27 greenfly: yes, running midp applications Feb 26 17:26:37 mgedmin: not MIDs, midp, Java Micro Edition Feb 26 17:26:50 oh Feb 26 17:26:53 midp=java crap Feb 26 17:26:54 :P Feb 26 17:26:56 ptl: no java Feb 26 17:27:17 ptl: but java is less necessary since you can write programs in c, c++, python, or even bash Feb 26 17:27:33 legacy support might be desirable for some people Feb 26 17:27:56 yeah we'll get useless apps like on Android :D Feb 26 17:28:09 frals: Nope Feb 26 17:28:20 but it's not me who's asking... I don't use midp for a long time. it's my friend nfermat that needs it Feb 26 17:28:40 anyway, yeah, I'd love if the N900 had as much useless apps as the Android Feb 26 17:28:52 this is a great appeal to prospective buyers. Feb 26 17:28:59 we need an apple appstore port Feb 26 17:29:08 some useless apps are also in fact useful! Feb 26 17:29:22 useless apps are great. I'd love an accelerometer-beer-glass-simulation app Feb 26 17:29:29 why? Feb 26 17:30:03 because I can use it to show off to girls, it makes them giggle, and it's a very good start for the kind of conversation that makes me take them to bed. Feb 26 17:30:08 if anything, for that. Feb 26 17:30:24 you need a fake beer glass for that? Feb 26 17:30:29 ptl: I think you're in the wrong channel if you're actually getting laid. :P Feb 26 17:30:30 says more about you than the girls :D Feb 26 17:30:31 lol Feb 26 17:30:44 lol Feb 26 17:30:47 if you put it that way, yes. It's not that I need, it's another trick under the sleeve. Feb 26 17:30:58 w00t, :O Feb 26 17:31:00 /quit Feb 26 17:31:45 but everyone knows about the farting beer glasses now Feb 26 17:31:48 so it's not very impressive ;( Feb 26 17:32:12 you should show them youtube playing in the browser! Feb 26 17:32:34 it's also too common Feb 26 17:32:38 that only works if the girl's at least 3/4 as geeky as the n900 owner showing her it Feb 26 17:32:49 I need a bunch of useless apps Feb 26 17:32:51 depends on what clip you show Feb 26 17:32:52 :D Feb 26 17:32:56 no, no Feb 26 17:33:05 geek girls like usefull apps. Feb 26 17:33:19 *useful Feb 26 17:33:22 youtube playing smoothly in the browser is sufficiently useful Feb 26 17:33:31 you can just show them the XTerminal Feb 26 17:33:38 and then get ignored with no phone ;( Feb 26 17:33:49 yeah baby, heres my top Feb 26 17:34:02 MY LOAD IS ABOVE EIGHT THOUSAND =D Feb 26 17:34:12 no wait Feb 26 17:34:16 it was OVER EIGHT THOUSAND Feb 26 17:34:31 Long time ago I watched DBZ... Feb 26 17:36:29 show her your uptime! Feb 26 17:37:06 'hey, baby, look at that! the phone has been out for three months and my uptime is 101 days!' Feb 26 17:37:18 * Arif_ refrains from commenting on that....:) Feb 26 17:37:55 lol Feb 26 17:38:04 * w00t headdesks a little Feb 26 17:38:05 :P Feb 26 17:38:17 :D:D Feb 26 17:39:10 * DocScrutinizer doubts there's such a thing like geek girls Feb 26 17:39:49 I sure hope not Feb 26 17:39:56 I wouldn't understand them ;( Feb 26 17:40:01 yes, there are Feb 26 17:40:29 however the BALANCED geek girls do not let their geekiness dominate, and worry with life, appearance, and so on Feb 26 17:40:46 good Feb 26 17:40:47 ;P Feb 26 17:40:50 making them completely out of anyones league? Feb 26 17:40:53 the unbalanced geek girls might even be beautiful, but they use to be weird, ungrasppable entities Feb 26 17:41:00 not really Feb 26 17:41:21 ptl has a lot of experience apparently :D Feb 26 17:41:34 I've got some, but it's here in Brazil Feb 26 17:41:39 it might be different in other countries Feb 26 17:41:51 ptl: you can convert one to the other using a balun. Feb 26 17:42:40 SpeedEvil: LOL Feb 26 17:43:06 nfermat found http://www.microemu.org/ for the MIDP emulator, but that only postpones the problem, now you need a J2SE to run the J2ME Feb 26 17:43:10 hello Feb 26 17:43:30 hai Feb 26 17:43:30 I bet very few recipients know what a balun is Feb 26 17:43:50 DocScrutinizer, something with electric signal thingies? Feb 26 17:44:09 I am programing a game, and after some time of playing it the backlight turns off. do you know how (in freemante) control the screen backlight? Feb 26 17:44:32 fremantle :P Feb 26 17:44:50 yay, more games Feb 26 17:44:53 A balun, pronounced /ˈbælən/, is a type of electrical transformer that can convert electrical signals that are balanced about ground (differential) to signals that are unbalanced (single-ended) and vice versa. They are also often used to connect lines of differing impedance. Feb 26 17:45:30 what game is it? :p Feb 26 17:46:27 the equivalent of xset s off does not solve it? Feb 26 17:46:49 anyhow.... Feb 26 17:47:15 who knows of a good application to use as UI task manager? Feb 26 17:47:27 anything available on maemo? Feb 26 17:47:35 ctrl+backspace? Feb 26 17:47:35 kkito: maybe the people in #maemo-devel know better Feb 26 17:48:28 arif_: aka dashboard.. there's no info on priority/memusage/cpu-utilization etc Feb 26 17:48:55 * Arif_ hasn't come across one in extras+testing Feb 26 17:49:01 ok, i didnt know about this channel, thank you :) Feb 26 17:51:50 hi, are the mailing list archives online ? Feb 26 17:52:29 mschr, htop Feb 26 17:52:50 rzr, yes Feb 26 17:53:02 On several websites. Feb 26 17:53:14 err Feb 26 17:53:20 i wanted to ask this in #meego :) Feb 26 17:53:37 :) Feb 26 17:57:59 shinkamui: I always say its stands for Andrew F***ing Black but really its Franklin Feb 26 17:59:26 you're whatnow? Feb 26 18:05:56 rzr, same answer. Feb 26 18:08:56 gah, I can't remember *again* how to scp my source debs to the extras-devel builder :( Feb 26 18:10:07 what do they mean "not a valid .changes file"??? Feb 26 18:10:20 what's wrong with http://pastie.org/844519 ? Feb 26 18:14:02 mgedmin: perhaps they only want a source upload, no binaries Feb 26 18:14:10 d'oh! Feb 26 18:16:47 villager++ Feb 26 18:23:41 could someone please help me out with this :( :( :( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45849 Feb 26 18:24:28 I'm trying to run a binary on N900, I have it copied over but for some reason chmod a+x does not seem to stick, and thus run-standalone.sh ./myapp fails Feb 26 18:24:40 I'm probably doing something wrong, but what? Feb 26 18:24:55 Lynoure: in what partition did you put the executable? Feb 26 18:25:10 jgastal: it's in the home directory Feb 26 18:25:11 Lynoure: some partitions are mounted with noexec Feb 26 18:25:34 jgastal: what would be a good place to put stuff for testing Feb 26 18:25:36 ? Feb 26 18:25:45 (I guess that is noexec then...) Feb 26 18:25:52 I don't recall if ithas noexec. run mount, to see mount options. Feb 26 18:26:05 I would say /opt but I'm just guessing Feb 26 18:26:50 Lynoure: are you sure it's in your /home/user and not in /home/user/MyDocs? I can run binaries from /home/user fine... Feb 26 18:27:22 villager: ah, thanks for reminding me that there is a difference :) Feb 26 18:29:12 hm, extras is getting ~100,000 downloads a day atm? Feb 26 18:29:21 that aint bad, for 180 apps in it. Feb 26 18:30:44 what do they download Feb 26 18:30:48 is there a hidden fart app? Feb 26 18:33:09 moobox needs a mod Feb 26 18:33:27 camera app crashed device when i held shutter too long and now last 4 photos are unviewable bookmarks in photoviewer Feb 26 18:33:42 lol Feb 26 18:34:00 even the camera didn't like what you were making pictures of ;P Feb 26 18:36:11 (feature request) after sharing a photo, give url in clipboard or SOMEWHERE! Feb 26 18:36:43 (this isn't a bugtracker) Feb 26 18:36:50 :P Feb 26 18:36:52 thats a reasonable idea pupnik Feb 26 18:37:35 i think somewhere i noted that if you select to share image from conversations it should fill in the url into the message box Feb 26 18:38:04 after rebooting i see photos i have not seen since FOSDEM! Feb 26 18:38:11 similar idea, but yours is totally global and would be good, even if it was just opening a text file with recent uploads Feb 26 18:38:33 I haven't figured out yet how to upload stuff Feb 26 18:38:36 :p Feb 26 18:38:59 I click share>services>photobucket>I get my photobucket login>I login>I get pixelpope screen Feb 26 18:39:02 and then nothing :( Feb 26 18:39:19 flickr upload works for me Feb 26 18:45:11 picture sharing to ovi also never worked for me Feb 26 18:46:35 * Lynoure happily looks at maebiGTD version 0.1 on her phone Feb 26 18:47:45 hello Feb 26 18:48:06 Anyone free? Feb 26 18:48:18 for what? :) Feb 26 18:48:33 * Arif_ has a price Feb 26 18:48:43 lol Feb 26 18:50:32 what if you prefer to exchange favours, is that considered free? Feb 26 18:51:19 wouldn't that depend on the favor? ;) Feb 26 18:51:23 n900maemo: For what kind of project? *grin* Feb 26 18:52:31 Lynoure, pics or it didnt get done Feb 26 18:54:43 Well im having trouble flashing my pre-production device Feb 26 18:54:57 it is saying that i have to supply the X-loader image Feb 26 18:55:10 n900maemo, and where did your pre production device come from Feb 26 18:55:17 Finland Feb 26 18:55:25 It came from Nokia R&D Feb 26 18:55:38 so contact your nokia wrangler and ask for updates Feb 26 18:55:44 :/ Feb 26 18:56:17 afaik the only images available ar ethe official ones Feb 26 18:56:18 I have flashed n900's before its just that this one is asking me to supply the x-loader image since its not a production release Feb 26 18:56:34 n900maemo, which HWID Feb 26 18:57:04 2001 Feb 26 18:57:14 n900maemo, alright, I'll hook you up, msg Feb 26 18:57:29 really!? Feb 26 18:57:46 is it just the firmware that is causing this issue Feb 26 18:57:53 n900maemo, you need a legacy FW Feb 26 18:58:17 n900maemo, I've sent you information Feb 26 18:59:33 TomaszD, are you sharing these images ? careful with that can upset someone ;) Feb 26 18:59:52 VDVsx, I've just sent him a an e-mail address to Daniel Feb 26 19:00:05 TomaszD, ah cool ;) Feb 26 19:00:15 right thing IMO :) Feb 26 19:00:31 how to i retreive your message? Feb 26 19:00:41 oh found it! Feb 26 19:00:46 alright Feb 26 19:01:08 * lcuk ponders searching for the build ids Feb 26 19:01:35 lcuk: in a short bit there will be pics. Then, someday soon there ought to be a .deb as well Feb 26 19:01:56 Drat, cannot use my N900 to take pics of my N900 Feb 26 19:01:59 Lynoure, you should mark those on some sort of system Feb 26 19:02:04 that you can manage your tasks Feb 26 19:02:17 Shift + Ctrl + P Feb 26 19:02:17 lcuk: I do :) Feb 26 19:02:20 afaik Feb 26 19:02:27 takes a screenshot Feb 26 19:02:30 lcuk: but that could be any screenshot Feb 26 19:02:46 No telling it apart from the scratchbox Feb 26 19:02:48 that took its time to leave Feb 26 19:02:52 btw, if someone has app ideas for maemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas#Ideas_List Feb 26 19:02:57 Lynoure, i just wanna see your gtd app Feb 26 19:03:02 lcuk, that fails to capture video overlay Feb 26 19:03:03 dont care where its runnin Feb 26 19:03:09 slonopotamus, dont i know it Feb 26 19:03:13 lcuk: it's nothing spectacular yet. Feb 26 19:03:26 I'm trying to retrieve some from brainstorm (a bit messy :() Feb 26 19:03:29 * lcuk always has ideas VDVsx :P Feb 26 19:04:03 i just put a spectacular one in #nokia-mdc Feb 26 19:04:15 lcuk: just basicly a todo app, very bare bones at that. Will get much better in time. I'm hoping to replace Progect (for Palm) in my GTD use Feb 26 19:04:30 Lynoure, i just make sketch notes Feb 26 19:04:34 then convert them into apps Feb 26 19:05:19 :) Feb 26 19:07:06 jacket potato time, bbl Feb 26 19:16:34 wazd: What you think about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964? Feb 26 19:17:53 aww - google-earth cores Feb 26 19:18:08 Andrewfblack: honestly I'm a consistency fan so I'm not very excited bout different theme elements at the same time Feb 26 19:18:26 Andrewfblack: though it can work for downloadable iconsets Feb 26 19:19:25 wazd: icon sets are going to be a big part of it that is where I got the idea and it grew from their Feb 26 19:20:14 I think custom lock sliders will be used alot also I lot of people like things like the pacman lockslider Feb 26 19:21:50 isn't their a way for me ot make my regular name disconnect? Feb 26 19:26:49 re Feb 26 19:27:10 http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/commit/6d2c37e76e46f282a63a635cac5db61100540461 is interesting - Qt/maemo5 released as not supported? Feb 26 19:29:08 Andrewfblack: again, pacman slider is just one idea Feb 26 19:29:26 Andrewfblack: you can make a package that will replace slider only Feb 26 19:30:45 wazd: thats true what I'm doing could be done with a bunch of packages but alot of theme people are having trouble learning packaging this is going to make it where they just put the files in a folder. tar.gz it and they are good to go. Feb 26 19:30:58 the screen lock is a bit broken Feb 26 19:31:17 you get glimpses of what's underneath Feb 26 19:32:43 hmm Feb 26 19:32:51 I just thought of an idea for a new app Feb 26 19:32:52 :D Feb 26 19:33:14 Hi Feb 26 19:33:22 now I wish I knew how to program Feb 26 19:33:24 ={ Feb 26 19:33:39 Arif_: learn it, isn't difficult Feb 26 19:33:49 nah Feb 26 19:33:50 Arif_, what's your Idea? Feb 26 19:34:01 you know the FM transitter sends out the song data? Feb 26 19:34:03 take that data Feb 26 19:34:16 and send it to the conversations status message thingy Feb 26 19:34:45 okay Feb 26 19:35:04 a "now playing" plugin for conversations in short Feb 26 19:37:41 Arif_: there is not such already? Feb 26 19:37:50 there is? Feb 26 19:37:54 lo jebba Feb 26 19:41:25 heya Feb 26 19:41:28 Andrewfblack: also I think that lockslider is rarely used screen :P Feb 26 19:41:42 Andrewfblack: I actually haven't seen it live ever :) Feb 26 19:48:00 lcuk: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=153291&id=684723529&l=59458fb52b Feb 26 19:48:22 lcuk: there's the screenshots Feb 26 19:53:27 wazd: I use lockscreen for viewing time alot but app will do alot more then just lockscreens Feb 26 20:08:13 hi Feb 26 20:09:33 oh for gods sake, just tuned into the hockey game to see the Finns fuck it up Feb 26 20:09:55 Hi Guys, just wondering if there is a way to auto turn off my wifi if the device is "standby"? Feb 26 20:10:04 good thing i dont watch hockey then Feb 26 20:11:50 or can wifi stay on forever with the power saving enabled? Feb 26 20:12:11 yes it can Feb 26 20:12:16 wifi on and mostly idle leads to a battery life of well over a day Feb 26 20:12:20 that is - logged in Feb 26 20:12:24 allright Feb 26 20:12:25 with powersave on Feb 26 20:12:29 myrtti: yeah :( had prepared with beer and bowls of chips and all! Feb 26 20:12:39 routers can vary significantly in their support of powersacing though Feb 26 20:14:25 Myrtti: giant mistake by kiprusoff yeah Feb 26 20:14:33 is qt 4.5 optified? Feb 26 20:15:19 man, the pauses for comercials look kinda silly on a tv channel with no ads :) Feb 26 20:15:21 what services do you have turned on SpeedEvil Feb 26 20:16:14 that was a test with just ssh logged into tehr edvice Feb 26 20:16:14 Shit. Feb 26 20:16:16 the device Feb 26 20:16:24 * RST38h got Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus. Feb 26 20:16:49 Track #0 is Russian. Track #1 is.... Feb 26 20:16:59 ...Italian. Shit. Shit. Shit. Feb 26 20:17:14 oh allright SpeedEvil Feb 26 20:17:20 Nothing for it but to learn Russian. Feb 26 20:17:26 There are some benefits. Feb 26 20:17:38 Watch A Fish Called Wanda for a demo. Feb 26 20:17:41 * RST38h knows Russian. Feb 26 20:17:51 The translation sucks though. Feb 26 20:17:54 oh. Feb 26 20:23:02 so, now that the hockey game is over... Feb 26 20:23:09 n900 just fell off my shirt pocket onto a marble floor.. again.. Feb 26 20:23:49 pupnik: beats putting it through a washing machine Feb 26 20:27:33 Myrtti, wtf is this :) Feb 26 20:28:03 hmm, i'm getting "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor" while runnung apt-get update in the fremantle sdk :\ Feb 26 20:29:01 ..did it still work, toggles_w ? Feb 26 20:29:09 Please excuss my spam but Recruiting people for help on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964 Feb 26 20:32:46 Lynoure, cool stuff Feb 26 20:33:26 * wazd wonders if anyone has camriped Alice premiere :D Feb 26 20:33:46 for similar ui stuff (and a desktop widget for your app) there is countdown widget application Feb 26 20:33:51 moo wazd Feb 26 20:33:57 RST38h: heya Feb 26 20:33:59 wazd: just wait a few weeks Feb 26 20:34:23 RST38h: well, I was thinking of seeing it in 3D in the heatre Feb 26 20:34:33 3d is overrated... Feb 26 20:34:45 RST38h: just wondered who can be so desperate to camrip world premiere :D Feb 26 20:34:47 lcuk: thanks :) Feb 26 20:35:13 wazd: camrip it in 3d, with two cams! Feb 26 20:35:23 lcuk: I'm not yet sure what kind of desktop widget would work... So that will wait till I have more of the other stuff done Feb 26 20:35:37 RST38h: no, with one huge iMax cam :D Feb 26 20:35:52 RST38h: that's the spirit~ Feb 26 20:36:01 Lynoure, just install and take a look Feb 26 20:36:07 your app reminded me muchly of it Feb 26 20:36:35 * Myrtti goes to look at RememberTheMilk documentation Feb 26 20:36:39 wazd: with quickly rotating mirror Feb 26 20:38:47 lcuk: is countdown wigdet it's name? Feb 26 20:38:56 thats the name on the widget select Feb 26 20:39:06 lcuk: I've been looking at quite many timer apps lately... Feb 26 20:39:09 i cant remember if its the actual name Feb 26 20:39:29 Lynoure: feature request for RememberTheMilk support Feb 26 20:39:47 Myrtti: why? Feb 26 20:40:01 Myrtti: there are some apps with that already... Feb 26 20:40:09 Lynoure: for N900? Feb 26 20:40:14 Myrtti: yes Feb 26 20:40:22 oh ok. Feb 26 20:40:39 Myrtti: I've never used RTM myself, don't want to hand my life plan to a 3rd party. Feb 26 20:40:40 "countdown home desktop widget" Feb 26 20:40:43 nevermind me then Feb 26 20:40:48 Myrtti: but you could tell me what you like about it? Feb 26 20:41:18 eases the synchronization between devices and ability to use it from the browser Feb 26 20:41:44 ~hmm Feb 26 20:41:45 hmm... hmm is hidden markov model Feb 26 20:41:52 heh Feb 26 20:42:13 Eventually might do some synchronization support. Should not be too complicated Feb 26 20:42:33 probably no browser support, not interested in implementing all the same stuff for browsers. Feb 26 20:42:49 it harmonises the chemical bonding to ignite synapses for delivery of cow udder juice Feb 26 20:43:55 RST38h: http://i050.radikal.ru/1002/6a/aaf704510c82.png <- what do you think? Feb 26 20:44:56 Hey guys, I just found out that the accelerometer in the N900 defines a left hand coordinate system. Being a engineer I was surprised by this, since most if not all physics related coordinate system are right hand. Are left hand coordinate system a common thing in electronic devices? Feb 26 20:45:09 MaikB: err - what? Feb 26 20:45:14 sorry Feb 26 20:45:15 MaikB: it has 3 axes. Feb 26 20:45:22 it has Feb 26 20:45:27 wazd: i'm worried about touch-wise closeness of top thing and back Feb 26 20:45:28 x to the left Feb 26 20:45:30 y up Feb 26 20:45:30 MaikB: the axes orientation is not specifically chosen. Feb 26 20:45:33 und z out Feb 26 20:45:56 MaikB: as nobody cares about it. Feb 26 20:45:59 Stskeeps: oh, that's an old shot, no back there :) Feb 26 20:46:02 SpeedEvil: I see Feb 26 20:46:16 MaikB: it's simply what's most convenient to make. Feb 26 20:46:25 MaikB, can you not just invert the values and forget it ever happened? Feb 26 20:46:36 it might have just been a drunken day :D Feb 26 20:46:51 Or more likely - what the person writing up the datasheet decided to call the axes Feb 26 20:47:10 lcuk: sure, It will just invert the x axis Feb 26 20:47:45 SpeedEvil: I assumed the for three entries in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord are x-y-z Feb 26 20:47:55 -for Feb 26 20:48:05 MaikB: they are completely arbitrary Feb 26 20:48:21 MaikB: register 34 (for example) might be X Feb 26 20:48:33 but there is no reason you can't call it Y Feb 26 20:48:54 and the orientation on the board also changes things. though not the coord system of course Feb 26 20:49:00 Well well.... I'm a bit shocked about this :P Feb 26 20:49:19 post to TMO complaining. Feb 26 20:49:28 It'll make more sense than some other complaints. Feb 26 20:50:52 I can live with this. Feb 26 20:51:14 What's more important is for someone to write a nice cal routine. Feb 26 20:51:19 SpeedEvil: Did you work with other devices that got accelerometers? Feb 26 20:51:29 The accels have a singificant bias and scale error. Feb 26 20:51:49 meh its not that significant but yeah, MaikB http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers Feb 26 20:52:08 lcuk: I did read this site before asking here :D Feb 26 20:52:13 A simple 'turn it over and over several times' app that maps the accel readings to the surface of a spheroid, and then calculates offsets and biases from the shape of that spheroid... Feb 26 20:52:23 s/sphere/elipsoi/ Feb 26 20:52:25 hello all Feb 26 20:52:36 I frankly hate the default maemo5 way to select dates Feb 26 20:52:44 * lcuk wonders if MaikB is a mole :P reading the wiki, knowledgable, articulate... :p Feb 26 20:52:46 Lynoure: me too. Feb 26 20:52:47 as it does not show weekdays when selecting Feb 26 20:52:56 Lynoure: utterly broken. Feb 26 20:53:09 "hmm, today is Tuesday so next Friday is... hmm..." Feb 26 20:53:19 Lynoure: even neglecting the fact you can't set intervals of your choice. Feb 26 20:53:30 Lynoure: you _can_ fix the Qt implementation of this Feb 26 20:53:49 no idea about the gtk ui element Feb 26 20:53:57 (if it's open source) Feb 26 20:54:01 Lynoure, SpeedEvil - agreed to a degree. just how would you make one then Feb 26 20:54:12 Evening Feb 26 20:54:18 hey jaffa Feb 26 20:54:25 lcuk: I'd make the sunday in a different color (e.g. gray background) Feb 26 20:54:39 would be enough orientation for me which weekday a day is. Feb 26 20:54:48 lcuk: make what? Feb 26 20:55:00 a better date select Feb 26 20:55:02 make some mockups Feb 26 20:55:27 lcuk: well - one way to keep the scrolly goodness would be to add a day scroller. Feb 26 20:55:46 post about then, dont tell me here they get lost and irc does not communicate meaning well Feb 26 20:55:50 I wonder if there are specifications about the accuracy of the accelerometer. I bet this is a general issue for embedded devices. And there must be code around to compensate Feb 26 20:55:53 Shapeshifter: sounds like a great idea Feb 26 20:56:15 If you select 'monday' - while leaving 2010 and 'march' selected - all of the dates that are monday in the day selctor are highlighted Feb 26 20:56:21 reinventing the wheel is fun, but takes a lot of time Feb 26 20:56:22 MaikB: there are. Feb 26 20:56:34 MaikB: there aren't general cal routines that I've seen Feb 26 20:56:43 SpeedEvil: google or garage? Feb 26 20:56:44 A fit to spheroid code is quite simple. Feb 26 20:57:01 look on the accel page for docs Feb 26 20:57:07 or google lis302dl Feb 26 20:57:29 lcuk: seems the date select I got without any attention gives me a calendar at doubleclick. Not fingerfriendly but works for me Feb 26 20:58:54 SpeedEvil: Thx a ton! Feb 26 21:03:45 hi. after one of updates on n900 I have Audio/Video/Documents/Images folders in file browser duplicated. is there any cure for it? Feb 26 21:06:49 Stskeeps: http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/1002/6f/c78289c1b298.png Feb 26 21:08:06 is there a dbus explorer for the n900, like qdbusviewer on a linux desktop? Feb 26 21:08:32 Or is (i)python and "import dbus" the way to go? Feb 26 21:08:40 there's a mdbus thing? Feb 26 21:08:59 Stskeeps: thx!! Feb 26 21:11:31 mdbus2 Feb 26 21:13:29 does the job Feb 26 21:13:47 wazd: cool :) Feb 26 21:17:08 mh. is there a way to toggle fullscreen in scummvm? Feb 26 21:18:32 hm Feb 26 21:18:50 is it possible to change owntext-colors in xchat somehow? :p Feb 26 21:18:54 cannot find in preferences Feb 26 21:19:55 at most I think you can have your own nickname a different colour if you enable coloured nicknames Feb 26 21:21:27 doesn't seems to change anything at all Feb 26 21:21:35 the default is hard to read. :< Feb 26 21:21:53 hm Feb 26 21:22:12 I'm not running with the maemo5 default :/ Feb 26 21:22:41 you have this color (or even darker) as owntext Feb 26 21:22:41 shutting down for example openssh server on the n900, is that the same way as in debian? /etc/init.d/openssh-server stop Feb 26 21:23:16 n900 uses upstart... and that's all I know Feb 26 21:23:26 ok, thanks for the info ShadowJK Feb 26 21:24:12 hm Feb 26 21:24:20 changing colors->local colors->30 seems to help Feb 26 21:46:32 * Jaffa offs for the weekend. Feb 26 21:53:04 lol, Angry Birds is removed from the ovi store again Feb 26 21:53:56 What is the N900 path of the mass storage device (ie if I copy something to the phone over USB, where does it end up) ? Feb 26 21:54:17 home/user/MyDocs? Feb 26 21:55:03 Arif_: ah yes - I had checked there but I was still plugged in Feb 26 21:55:16 remove the usb cable first ;) Feb 26 21:56:02 hm Feb 26 21:56:06 I have 300MB left now ;( Feb 26 21:56:24 hooray for microSD Feb 26 21:57:12 microSD is the only media I would consider swallowing Feb 26 21:57:26 why the hell would you swallow it Feb 26 21:57:33 I wouldn't want to try find it again when it comes out, though Feb 26 21:57:41 c|oneman, what if theres some sharp data on it Feb 26 21:57:48 your brain doesn't support FAT32 I assume :P Feb 26 21:58:49 I mean, if I Needed to keep evidence for later Feb 26 21:58:52 and not get caught with it Feb 26 21:59:14 omg, the cops, quick hide the ikea catalog? Feb 26 22:02:13 five more days housework and i'll have new dev studio setup Feb 26 22:02:28 angry bird levels! Feb 26 22:03:39 :( Feb 26 22:03:55 a good loderunner clone would be fun Feb 26 22:06:32 I played the shit out of loadrunner on my old mac plus Feb 26 22:06:58 that and dark castle Feb 26 22:08:42 pupnik_, get a NES emulator :P Feb 26 22:20:12 Ooh Feb 26 22:20:15 Dark Castle Feb 26 22:29:53 Arif_: didnt know loderunner was released for nes Feb 26 22:30:16 There's even Lode Runner 2 on NES Feb 26 22:30:20 yeah me or somebody also needs to port the mac emu Feb 26 22:31:00 the canonical loderunner is for apple 2, which i also have running here Feb 26 22:31:33 nokia needs to kidnap me and put me in a basement somewhere away from internet Feb 26 22:31:42 yeah Feb 26 22:31:46 more buggy Nokia software \o/ Feb 26 22:32:39 it isnt so hard to do a basic port. doing a good job takes some skill Feb 26 22:32:59 ugh Feb 26 22:33:07 have you played SEGA and Sonic Racing on PC? Feb 26 22:33:18 no Feb 26 22:33:41 it's such a lazy port that they didn't even bother to let you TYPE your name in the profile creation Feb 26 22:33:54 you have to scroll around the letters and enter them one by one :P Feb 26 22:34:16 and there's no joystick support ={ Feb 26 22:34:26 that is because thew console game had no keyboard support Feb 26 22:34:40 exactly Feb 26 22:34:46 they made a lazier than lazy port :P Feb 26 22:34:58 you still get the XBOX 360 icons in the tutorial :D Feb 26 22:42:33 we should be able to do FOSS remakes of the simple classics. screw the warez Feb 26 22:44:58 shhh Feb 26 22:45:12 we should warez a lot so the emulators get improved! :P Feb 26 22:51:11 Arif_: warez are illegal; therefore, do FOSS remakes for the original platforms Feb 26 22:53:08 But if you get one emulator to work good you'll have a lot of games to play in one go :) Feb 26 22:53:43 and I doubt companies are still producing/selling NES/SNES/GBA games :O Feb 26 22:53:53 you bet Feb 26 22:54:10 they still claim their copyrights with claws and teeth Feb 26 22:54:23 for stuff that's decades old Feb 26 22:54:42 Maybe they're bored ;( Feb 26 22:55:06 well, I've followed this discussions with amiga a500/a1200 emulation Feb 26 22:55:17 what was the outcome? Feb 26 22:55:37 "no you can't have the stuff even if we don't care about it anymore" Feb 26 22:55:52 now cloanto is selling a bundle of emulation + games for win Feb 26 22:56:02 so they got the retro fans pay licensing Feb 26 22:56:07 another revenue for them Feb 26 22:56:22 oh I remember a company selling a C64 emulator + games Feb 26 22:56:28 some of those games had loaders in them :D Feb 26 22:59:24 * satmd listens to the public release of machinae supremacy - the great gianna sisters ;D Feb 26 22:59:37 I'm off for today [23:59 here] Feb 26 23:03:27 satmd, aw, how can you leave without sending that file to me Feb 26 23:04:20 satmd: theres an unpublic release?! Feb 26 23:10:12 our lives are way too short Feb 26 23:10:32 heloo Feb 26 23:11:21 moo Feb 26 23:15:20 meow Feb 26 23:59:44 Anyone here using the Firefox mobile browser? Feb 27 00:01:32 not really Feb 27 00:01:42 microB seems to be better Feb 27 00:02:35 microb is good enough Feb 27 00:02:38 no need for furryfox Feb 27 00:03:04 * tripzero votes for ovi nav to come to n900 today Feb 27 00:03:18 If only microB supported Weave Feb 27 00:03:37 tripzero, on a saturday? Feb 27 00:03:49 it's still friday here Feb 27 00:03:54 http://imgur.com/Wzd7h.jpg two feet of snow :o Feb 27 00:04:00 not in Finlandia Feb 27 00:04:09 i'll settle for monday if i have to Feb 27 00:04:10 :P Feb 27 00:04:19 well.. Feb 27 00:04:21 dreamon! Feb 27 00:04:23 :P Feb 27 00:04:36 i know.. :| Feb 27 00:04:42 lol promulo Feb 27 00:04:46 pronto even Feb 27 00:05:12 :D Feb 27 00:07:35 why this crappy ovi store can't remember what phone i've got Feb 27 00:07:45 and every time i go there it shows me shit for n97 Feb 27 00:07:46 you need to enter your current password Feb 27 00:07:51 and login Feb 27 00:07:57 i did that Feb 27 00:08:07 and changed my phone in settings Feb 27 00:08:16 and when i go to shop next time Feb 27 00:08:19 and log in again Feb 27 00:08:22 i have n97 again Feb 27 00:08:36 it's stored in cookies Feb 27 00:08:45 enter your current password on the select phone page Feb 27 00:08:46 o.o Feb 27 00:09:33 mhm Feb 27 00:09:36 that's stupid Feb 27 00:09:56 yes it is Feb 27 00:10:08 and there's nothing worht downloading on the N900 ovi store anyway Feb 27 00:10:44 hmm Feb 27 00:10:51 is need HALP Feb 27 00:11:00 \o/ Feb 27 00:11:14 i just hope that something will change Feb 27 00:11:23 Well, the angry bird levels seem to be back. Feb 27 00:11:34 they're gone again Feb 27 00:11:38 Again? Feb 27 00:11:41 yes Feb 27 00:11:50 Oh. Great. Feb 27 00:12:18 hahah Feb 27 00:12:20 Looks like ovi will put *teh fear* into other app stores :) Feb 27 00:12:30 Well, luckily we have repositories. Feb 27 00:14:32 it only had creditcard support anyway Feb 27 00:16:00 what's wrong with CC Feb 27 00:16:05 I don't have one Feb 27 00:16:46 hmmm Feb 27 00:16:58 and even if I had Feb 27 00:17:16 I refuse to pay €3 for half a game that's only 60 cents on the iPhone store and that's the FULL game Feb 27 00:17:21 how do I control the volume of the alarm on the n900? Feb 27 00:17:46 in the profiles? Feb 27 00:17:58 hmm ok Feb 27 00:18:10 oh no Feb 27 00:18:12 apparently not Feb 27 00:18:20 right Feb 27 00:18:25 I think I checked that Feb 27 00:18:31 CC is like .. "Why do you need /credit/? Don't you have money? Oh you have money? Then you don't need credit. GTFO." Feb 27 00:18:34 or "Why do you need credit? Don't you have money? Oh you don't, then how can you pay? Oh you can't, well GTFO." Feb 27 00:19:05 arif: I sleep hard I need louder alarm :) Feb 27 00:19:36 I wake up from the vibration before the alarm even starts ringing Feb 27 00:19:42 :D Feb 27 00:19:48 :D Feb 27 00:20:11 ShadowJK, I have a bank card that I can't use on Ovi Feb 27 00:20:28 and I got banned from paypal because they found out I was <18 Feb 27 00:20:33 =D Feb 27 00:20:37 lol Feb 27 00:20:59 bank cards are easy to get, because they aren't a loan :) Feb 27 00:21:15 I could get a cc too Feb 27 00:21:32 but why would I get one just to buy an overpriced half game Feb 27 00:21:34 ;P Feb 27 00:21:44 Anyone else had issues with AIM not being able to login under IM accounts? Feb 27 00:22:09 * Arif_ has no aim Feb 27 00:22:11 ...wait Feb 27 00:22:18 that sounds wrong Feb 27 00:22:24 * Arif_ has no aim account! Feb 27 00:23:36 and CC's cost money, even when you fall in that narrow gap where you don't have too much money that asking for a loan is suspicious, and where you're not too poor to qualify for a loan Feb 27 00:23:54 jef91: If you are having a problem, look at Advanced options and see if a port number is listed. If not, add 5190. Feb 27 00:24:03 ShadowJK, they cost money to have too! Feb 27 00:24:09 like €50 a year Feb 27 00:24:16 which I can waste on other stuff ;( Feb 27 00:25:13 ShadowJK: well, i have free CC Feb 27 00:25:34 zerojay no dice on adding the port :( Feb 27 00:25:56 ShadowJK: and for me it's better to use CC because i don't pay foreign transaction fee if i go abroad Feb 27 00:26:02 ShadowJK: while on debit card i pay Feb 27 00:26:22 ShadowJK: and if i pay it within 60 days there is no intrest Feb 27 00:26:24 * Arif_ pokes jacekowski with the EU Feb 27 00:26:25 interest* Feb 27 00:26:47 i'm in EU Feb 27 00:26:59 Yeah that's what I meant :) Feb 27 00:26:59 Arif_, it amazes me to this day that there are some sellers out there that don't accept normal bank cards, atleast with those they know immediately whether the customer has money or not Feb 27 00:27:01 you don't have those costs in the EU...at my bank at least :O Feb 27 00:27:17 Arif_: i do have to pay fee if i use my debit card abroad Feb 27 00:27:23 hmm Feb 27 00:27:24 I don't Feb 27 00:27:26 Arif_: but not if i pay with CC Feb 27 00:27:34 even in Turkey I can use it Feb 27 00:28:03 ShadowJK, in Holland there's a payment method called iDEAL where you can pay on most Dutch webshops with your debit card Feb 27 00:28:13 that's why CCs aren't very popular here I guess Feb 27 00:28:23 jef91: Was it missing? Feb 27 00:28:25 well, i've got visa debit and mastercard and maestro and amex Feb 27 00:28:35 pretty much all you can get Feb 27 00:28:37 zerojay Yes. And adding it made no change Feb 27 00:28:51 and i can pay pretty much everywhere with that debit card Feb 27 00:28:51 jef91: Check again. You might have canceled it instead of saving it. Feb 27 00:28:57 the server is: login.messaging.aol.com Feb 27 00:29:12 No it saved, I checked and double checked Feb 27 00:29:24 Okay, set yourself offline and the back online. Feb 27 00:29:25 I want the Mastercard paypass in .nl Feb 27 00:29:27 ;( Feb 27 00:29:29 Arif_, in finland you can pay without cards on most webshops, and the same transaction method is accepted as proof of ID (with 0euro transaction) :)) Feb 27 00:29:48 how do you pay then Feb 27 00:29:51 at the door? :P Feb 27 00:30:10 online Feb 27 00:30:17 bank transfer? Feb 27 00:30:24 It's not a 0EUR transaction Feb 27 00:30:35 They have a standard API for identification and it doesn't count as a transaction Feb 27 00:30:47 Oh wait, yea just did that and it worked Zerojay thanks :D Feb 27 00:31:52 You pay via your bank's web interface. It requires a username/pin, plus a one time password. Some banks have these little battery-operated keys that display a number that is unique for that key, and valid for half a minute at the time, or something, instead of the one-time password list Feb 27 00:32:17 ah Feb 27 00:32:20 that's the same as iDEAL here Feb 27 00:32:25 that's pointless Feb 27 00:32:30 it's not portable Feb 27 00:32:37 portable? Feb 27 00:32:44 CC is portable and accepted worldwide Feb 27 00:33:03 I'm not paying for a CC I'll never use ;p Feb 27 00:33:10 it's free here Feb 27 00:33:13 esspecialy if you could just generate like a one time CC number Feb 27 00:33:39 so you go to your bank webpage - generate CC with £1 to £1000 limit or whatever Feb 27 00:33:54 so you can use it on some suspicious website Feb 27 00:34:08 wish we had free CCs Feb 27 00:34:19 it'd make buying crap off DX much more easier :D Feb 27 00:34:45 i don't really understand how bank makes profit Feb 27 00:34:58 when i got my CC i had completly free acount Feb 27 00:35:16 they make money off people that don't pay their debt Feb 27 00:35:35 and part of your purchase goes to the CC company :p Feb 27 00:35:43 I doubt the money they charge you for credit cards or other services is really such a large part of their profit Feb 27 00:35:47 They collect interest Feb 27 00:35:50 they made profit on me only once Feb 27 00:35:57 I wonder if banks are allowed to invest their customers' money Feb 27 00:36:00 when i had to get 1k in the evening Feb 27 00:36:03 Lumpio-: they are Feb 27 00:36:13 figures Feb 27 00:36:18 that's how they get bankrupt and the whole crisis nonsense started :P Feb 27 00:36:22 But yeah, that's how they make money. Feb 27 00:36:30 Lumpio-: that's 10% has to go to bank of england Feb 27 00:36:44 what? Feb 27 00:36:45 Lumpio-: and they can do whatever they want with 90% Feb 27 00:36:53 I think the best part of it is that it works without the need for cards that are decoupled from your real accounts, and you don't have to pay 50 Euro per year to Visa or Mastercard :) Feb 27 00:37:08 Lumpio-: 10% of deposited money go to bank of england, and 90% is invested Feb 27 00:37:29 * Arif_ goes to sleep :yawn: Feb 27 00:37:57 There would probably be cheaper CC's if Mastercard and Visa actually competed with eachother, but instead they formed luottokunta which is this cartel which controls credit cards and other forms of consumer credit.. but the point is, I don't want credit, I just want to move money from myself to the seller, and for this I don't wnat to go through the highly expensive mastercard/visa cartel, when there's an existing payments infracstructure in place, that w Feb 27 00:38:03 orks online, works in realtime, is easy to use, and costs me nothing :) Feb 27 00:38:14 ShadowJK: i have free CC Feb 27 00:38:31 if Ovi wants to force me to use a card which, IF I QUALIFY to that narrow gap between not earning too much, and not earning too little, costs 50 - 300 Euro per year, then so be it... Feb 27 00:38:33 oh Feb 27 00:38:56 and if you earn too much you don't have any problems getting CC Feb 27 00:39:02 it's when you earn too little Feb 27 00:39:46 jacekowski, I tried before they told me I don't need credit because I had 10,000 on deposit, and gave me a bank card instead Feb 27 00:40:14 you just apply for a card Feb 27 00:40:26 online Feb 27 00:40:33 right im in a fun club Feb 27 00:40:40 but anyways Feb 27 00:40:42 time to sleep Feb 27 00:40:49 and they call me and invite me to face to face meeting to give me bank card Feb 27 00:41:12 how do i stream thew party right now to irc? Feb 27 00:41:37 And apparently they don't do "0 credit" cards either. Feb 27 00:41:52 like, pay 1000 or something into it in advance Feb 27 00:41:58 you can always get debit card Feb 27 00:42:18 Yeah but it rarely works on sites outside the country Feb 27 00:42:27 depends on card Feb 27 00:42:29 though it works on paypal Feb 27 00:42:32 if you get like a visa debit Feb 27 00:42:34 or something Feb 27 00:42:40 it works fine worldwide Feb 27 00:43:05 Visa Electron was what they offered before, it worked on paypal and ryanair, but that was about it :P Feb 27 00:43:13 i think they're offering visa debit now Feb 27 00:43:17 but it costs more money than electron :/ Feb 27 00:43:41 giving electron to people should be illegal Feb 27 00:43:47 it's pretty much useless Feb 27 00:44:15 it cost 0 to use it with ryanair :D Feb 27 00:44:17 and well, as i said - it's free here Feb 27 00:44:23 while as using Visa or Visa Debit with ryanair costs something like 50E :) Feb 27 00:44:31 jacekowski: Really? Feb 27 00:44:38 more like £5 Feb 27 00:44:38 I've yet to ran to a place that doesn't accept Electron Feb 27 00:45:02 I don't do that much online shopping though, and even then I'd rather not use a credit card. And PayPal accept Electron. Feb 27 00:45:13 Lumpio-: whole africa Feb 27 00:45:17 yall im gonna N900 vid beautiful women Feb 27 00:45:18 Lumpio-: north america Feb 27 00:45:27 Well I don't go to 3rd world countries like that Feb 27 00:45:38 but no fast way to share the fun Feb 27 00:45:46 Lumpio-: and lot of places in countries where banks don't give out electrons to people Feb 27 00:45:49 like UK Feb 27 00:45:57 I know it might be useless in foreign countries but I don't go to weird countries. Feb 27 00:46:13 UK isn't a strange country Feb 27 00:46:18 Also it's free until I turn 26 or something Feb 27 00:46:43 electron works in most of europe, atleast in ATMs Feb 27 00:47:21 not here Feb 27 00:47:33 only place here that accepts electrons is mcdonalds Feb 27 00:49:10 I think 100% of shops here are accepting electron now... mostly because banks abolished bank cards and had to start issuing visa debit instead, so all the equipment had to be renewed anyway.. Feb 27 00:49:30 and banks had to abolish the cheap bank cards because of eu :( Feb 27 00:49:33 it's not about equipment Feb 27 00:49:49 bullshit Feb 27 00:49:53 it's bank policy Feb 27 00:50:11 banks here in EU gives out free debit and credit cards Feb 27 00:50:45 No they had to give up the bank cards because they don't work in all of eu Feb 27 00:50:59 and they can only issue new cards that work in all of eu Feb 27 00:51:36 and going back to equipment Feb 27 00:51:47 it's only software that decides what cards are supporte Feb 27 00:51:47 d Feb 27 00:51:54 chip and pin too Feb 27 00:52:09 that would require upgrade Feb 27 00:52:42 but after you get chip&pin terminal you only need software change ( it's done automaticaly ) Feb 27 00:55:06 maestro/cirrus debit cards? Feb 27 01:32:21 fuck Feb 27 01:32:25 all the kids are mocking my linux Feb 27 01:54:58 Hello, I am planning to buy an N900, and have looked around on the web about known issues with the devices. I found some threads where they discussed a microphone problem, random reboots, and some wifi and bluetooth bugs. But most of these threads date back to around Nov 2009. Any idea what the current state of these issues is? Feb 27 01:57:43 Funnyface: i dont think you are going to get happy with n900 if you try to find a completly working smartphone. instead its fairly good working tablet with good enough working phone function set for the most nerds around me here Feb 27 01:59:03 dockane: I can live with most software related stuff, because there is mostly a workaround to that, but I don't want to end up with yet another device where the hardware simply doesn't work as expected, like my old smart phone :P Feb 27 01:59:13 The random reboots was resolved an update Feb 27 01:59:17 in an* Feb 27 01:59:21 ok great Feb 27 01:59:46 I'm not sure about the status of microphone problems, but they should be covered under warranty Feb 27 01:59:57 I think the current big topic is the USB port Feb 27 02:00:07 it comes loose after a while? Feb 27 02:01:08 Yeah. Some ports/plug combinations are very tight, and require a lot of force to unplug. The "workaround" seems to be to take the micro-usb plug and press the "teeth" in with your thumbnail, so that the latching force is reduced considerably, making it less likely that you'll damage the usb port Feb 27 02:02:18 yeah sounds like an idea Feb 27 02:02:21 In the original firmware, using wifi and bluetooth at the same time was pretty much a disaster. According to forums, this was "fixed" with the first major update Feb 27 02:02:36 bluetooth is as good as bluetooth in general is, in my experience.. Feb 27 02:04:06 Might I ask what kind of user you are? on the scale of the generic "N900 looks like an awesome phone" type (I doubt, since you use freenode?), and "I'm a linux power user and want a linuxphone"-type, where would you say you are? ;-) Feb 27 02:05:27 Funnyface: hardware works quite well afaict Feb 27 02:05:34 yes Feb 27 02:05:40 * luke-jr suspects most people here are "N900 comes with root!" <.< Feb 27 02:05:48 :) Feb 27 02:06:00 \o/ Feb 27 02:06:36 uhm somewhere in between I guess.. I am not a programmer, and have limited experience with linux, but I still like to play around with things and tweak settings and the like.. Feb 27 02:07:04 Oh, you need to be able to write shell scripts to make a call Feb 27 02:07:07 Nowait, that was openmoko Feb 27 02:07:27 Lumpio-: that's what I want :D Feb 27 02:07:57 Funnyface, re wifi, there's a bug that hits some people when they leave home for work and such, that the wifi is left consuming power. It helps to disable "Switch to WLAN when available", and also a "ifconfig wlan0 down" from a rootshell works. There was supposedly a fix for this in the last minor upgrade, and I haven't encountered the issue myself since then. Feb 27 02:08:52 hehe well that's fine Feb 27 02:08:58 In general, there are some phone features and some smartphone features, that some people except to be present, missing from the N900 Feb 27 02:09:13 ShadowJK: me knows shell scripting to get things done and a bit where to copy and paste from Feb 27 02:09:43 I might get some high capacity battery later on if I order the N900. haven't found any such batteries yet, but it might be an idea for a device like this Feb 27 02:10:08 Are there smartphones where the battery lasts e.g. a week? Feb 27 02:10:16 Mugen power has one, or will have one, it increases the thickness of the N900 (some people think it's too thick already). Feb 27 02:10:21 nomis, no. Not if you use them. Feb 27 02:10:23 hmm speaking of n900... why is the maemo5 sdk so screwed? Feb 27 02:10:36 it never sets sbox_emulation_method Feb 27 02:10:51 nomis, My N900 lasts longer on battery than my Nokia E75, and the N900 does more work Feb 27 02:11:35 Since the browser allows multiple windows, I enter a forum and open each thread in a new window and then read them. This results in more web pages displayed than on E75. Yet it lasts longer on battery Feb 27 02:11:56 it's probably going to be better than my current windows mobile phone anyway, 2 hours of use at the most and the battery is dead Feb 27 02:12:01 nomis: N810 claimed a month, but lasted 3 hours or so at best :p Feb 27 02:12:06 :) Feb 27 02:12:33 I always had Instant Messaging (IRC) and stuff going on the E75 too though. People who don't run anything internet on E75, and just use it to make phone calls, probably get a week or two of standby life. Feb 27 02:12:57 But I was at about 7 hours casual use and 12 hours idle (on IRC, screen off) use with it. Feb 27 02:13:14 nomis: yes. most smartphones will last a week - if you turn off wifi, bt, never actually turn the screen on or run anything and keep it on 2g mode. Feb 27 02:13:15 :) Feb 27 02:13:20 ShadowJK: IRC is just asking for trouble :P Feb 27 02:13:33 at least if you're in any active channels Feb 27 02:13:37 does 2G in fact consume less power than 3G? Feb 27 02:13:41 My N900 does about 14-18 hours in the idling on irc scenario, and about 12 hours in the irc+casual browsing while at work scenario :) Feb 27 02:13:44 someone needs to make a smart Quassel client <.< Feb 27 02:13:44 Funnyface, it does Feb 27 02:13:50 Funnyface: yes. Feb 27 02:14:00 tell the server to only talk when the window is active or needs to highlight your nick Feb 27 02:14:06 Funnyface, especially if you use anything that transfers small amounts of data frequently, like instant messaging, skype, irc, msn, etc Feb 27 02:14:43 as such with normal usage (noirmal meanign the average joe - ie u take phone out ot check time a few times a day, do a bit of messaging, a few sharot-ish calls) most phones - smartphones included should last about 24hrs Feb 27 02:14:50 and then be low enough to need a recharge Feb 27 02:14:57 thats pretty much the norm Feb 27 02:15:20 regardless what u read in the hrs of talk/standby etc. time thats what the average seems to hover around Feb 27 02:15:36 alright. I never noticed much of a difference with my current device Feb 27 02:15:37 The problem with 3g is that a single packet of data transfered keeps the radio active for some 5-10 seconds (this is something somewhat inherent to 3g tech, depends alot on the operator too), so if yo have a few IM accounts with their keep-alive packets, background protocol data, some chat activity, etc, the 3g radio is kept constantly transmitting and the battery drains in 3-6 hours :) Feb 27 02:16:05 but I guess that the rest of the hardware consumes more power, so the radio's consumption is kind of insignificant Feb 27 02:16:16 gprs/edge is much better for that case. wifi (with a proper Access Point that supports wifi powersaving) is even better Feb 27 02:17:20 There are ways to make the N900 battery die in 1.5 hours too :) Feb 27 02:17:38 Like downloading at 10 megabits/sec from 3g for 1.5 hours Feb 27 02:17:48 Funnyface: with screen off and cpu on buyt in a lowe power mode (eg clocked down to 50 or 100mhz as it may be when u sit on im but are not actively participating) your modem wi.ll consume a large amount of your power Feb 27 02:17:55 probably at least half Feb 27 02:18:01 more than half :) Feb 27 02:18:02 (if its kept active) Feb 27 02:18:42 and just one last thing.. if I somehow manage to screw up maemo so it won't boot, can the device be reinstalled without maemo running? Feb 27 02:18:50 yes Feb 27 02:19:08 ok Feb 27 02:19:11 use flasher Feb 27 02:19:17 warning: battery charging doesn't work when maemo is screwed Feb 27 02:19:19 I think I will order it soon then :) Feb 27 02:19:21 you can plug it into the computer and directly write to the NAND Feb 27 02:19:25 warning: flashing doesn't work if battery is empty Feb 27 02:19:29 yeah.. that is a good warning Feb 27 02:19:30 so do your screwing with full battery ;) Feb 27 02:19:37 charge it first Feb 27 02:19:43 hehe ok Feb 27 02:20:10 well in the worst case I guess I could get hold of a second battery Feb 27 02:20:10 And you need to be able to follow instructions in order to reflash with dead OS Feb 27 02:20:16 or charge mine in someone else's devices Feb 27 02:20:37 something like remove battery, plug in cable, start flasher on host PC, press u and hold on device, put in battery... Feb 27 02:20:45 i forget the exact sequence, but it's on the wiki.. Feb 27 02:20:51 yeah. Feb 27 02:21:04 yeah, as long as I won't leave the device bricked because of a software issue, it is fine Feb 27 02:22:46 Funnyface: i've had to reflash mine mayve 10 times since i got it around end of the year. it bricked itself while in my pocket too Feb 27 02:23:10 haha Feb 27 02:23:13 somehow it managed to un-brick if i plugged and unplugged it in often enough so finsally a usb device registered and i could run flasher Feb 27 02:23:20 We don't have energy profiling on N900.. but if I cheat and compare N810/N800 idling with xchat on IRC, which is about 20-30 milliamps... and E75 sharing 3g/hsdpa over bluetooth to the idling N810.. then the 3f radio part is about 90% of power.. :/ Feb 27 02:23:24 and cosmic rays hit it at the right time and place Feb 27 02:23:27 and god knows what else Feb 27 02:23:52 its probably the most unstable device i have.. and thats including my prototypes :) Feb 27 02:23:57 and a freerunner. :) Feb 27 02:23:59 what do you do to it.. Feb 27 02:24:05 mine just keeps running ;) Feb 27 02:24:17 ShadowJK: stick it in a pocket. use it to make calls. thats about it. Feb 27 02:24:23 wtf :) Feb 27 02:24:33 the odd webpage here and there Feb 27 02:24:35 Omweather update: now it can't decide if it supports 4 or 5 stations. Grmbl. Feb 27 02:24:46 gui keesp doing that "Reset itself" thing Feb 27 02:24:52 but *maybe* the GPS issue is fixed... Feb 27 02:25:00 I use mine for idling on 30 irc channels, browse internets, sometimes 40+ windows open, use it for download podcasts on gpodder, including videos for youtube... Feb 27 02:25:00 the "incredibly rare opengles memory bug" Feb 27 02:25:06 ie happens 10 times in 5 minutes Feb 27 02:25:07 or more Feb 27 02:25:27 ah the "it only happens for you so we can't fix it"-type of bugs :( Feb 27 02:25:47 i've been hit by the "stuck dot" problem after it totally crashed badly and rebooted about 10 times Feb 27 02:25:49 thus the reflash Feb 27 02:26:24 are you trying to scare me into not getting one, or is this issues you've actually had? :P Feb 27 02:26:33 ShadowJK: they happen to toehr people. it just happens to me on a daily/hourly/minutely basis. Feb 27 02:26:42 sucks :( Feb 27 02:26:45 me uses n900 for an average request of 10 websites per day, half and half done via umts and wlan, 2-3 calls and 2-3 h mp3 playback. baterrey has to be reloaded every 1.5 days Feb 27 02:26:52 Mine had the stuck dot probably when I first got it, but flashing it has fixed it Feb 27 02:26:58 s/probably/problem Feb 27 02:27:13 johnsu01: yeah. flashing fixes it.. until it happens again Feb 27 02:27:13 :) Feb 27 02:27:16 it's been very stable since, at least as stable as symbian on my old e61 Feb 27 02:28:22 I think I've had one unexpected reset/reboot in total since getting it in december :) Feb 27 02:28:25 also the sdk so far is pretty arsetastic Feb 27 02:28:38 download and install pere instructions Feb 27 02:28:44 comes up with no sbox emulation method set Feb 27 02:28:47 so nothnig compiles Feb 27 02:29:04 fan-bloody tastic Feb 27 02:29:17 dunno, the SDK is somewhat easier than installing codesourcery and figuring out how to manually crosscompile random things :) Feb 27 02:29:21 u ned up fiddling and guessing - usntalling some extra qemu packages on host it didnt Feb 27 02:29:32 then u can finally select a cputransp method as its offered in sb-menu Feb 27 02:29:36 but then again I just downloaded the ubuntu vm image with the sdk already setup Feb 27 02:29:39 and.. it still doesnt set the emualation method env Feb 27 02:29:55 how long do you reckon the N900's battery lasts at 100% CPU load then? :p Feb 27 02:29:56 u set it by hand and not things compile but dpkg/apt barf witn invalid instruction issues Feb 27 02:29:57 yay! Feb 27 02:30:05 e.g. if you were to leave it encoding video in your pocket.. Feb 27 02:30:06 huh, never noticed any issue with it, and I've set it up twice now and am not exactly a pro at this stuff Feb 27 02:30:21 Funnyface: screen on or off? Feb 27 02:30:30 either Feb 27 02:30:31 on Feb 27 02:30:43 johnsu01: it's never set up qemu emulation for me - and i've instaleld it 3 times Feb 27 02:30:49 Funnyface, if I had to guess, 4 hours Feb 27 02:30:56 maybe 6 Feb 27 02:30:58 that's good then Feb 27 02:31:02 Funnyface: my guess is 4hrs with screen off maybe 5 Feb 27 02:31:17 screen on - 3... maybe. Feb 27 02:31:19 I hope these hong kong sellers will put up high capacity batteries and back covers on ebay soon :p Feb 27 02:31:33 2700mAh batteries or so :> Feb 27 02:31:50 http://shop.eten.hu/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Feb 27 02:31:53 costly :/ Feb 27 02:32:05 ouch Feb 27 02:32:09 I'm pretty sure mine would die much quicker than that -- it's only good for about an hour of bluetooth tethering (but I think I got a defective battery) Feb 27 02:32:09 let me try this sdk install.. for try #4 Feb 27 02:32:21 I paid like $12 for the high capacity battery for my old phone Feb 27 02:32:25 :p Feb 27 02:32:29 The problem with N900 is that there are a shitload of clueful users, mugen can't just put out a "3000mAh" battery, because the users would quickly figure out it isn't 3000 :) Feb 27 02:33:31 It's kinda scary really.. Mugen is highly regarded as the best provider of third party batteries... but the "1800mAh battery" I got from them for my N800 turned out to advertise itself (to the device) as 1200mAh, and in my test, it tested as 1200 :) Feb 27 02:33:59 wonderful waste of money there Feb 27 02:34:03 Mind, it's a Li-Ion so it's holding up better with age than the original Lithium Polymer batteries for N800 and N810 :) Feb 27 02:34:11 Funnyface: invariably capacity increases will mean size increases Feb 27 02:34:25 so generalluy a high capacity baery is really not possible to stick inthe same space Feb 27 02:34:37 raster: yeah it'll need a thicker back cover Feb 27 02:34:44 unless they have a massive improvement in battery tech stuck in there - which is realtivelt unlikely Feb 27 02:34:50 Funnyface: yup. Feb 27 02:35:01 if u can make it bigger -0 then you can double the capacity... Feb 27 02:35:20 also, I believe when you have a double capacity battery, it'll last for longer than twice as long Feb 27 02:35:24 Like, if you buy an original Nokia battery from some random e-tailer, chances are the battery has sat on the shelf for so long that its actual capacity is below the Mugen's 1200mAh... And certainly, if you buy the mugen because you've owned the N8x0 for awhile, discovered more things to use it for, but want more battery life, then chances are the fresh Mugen at 1200mAh will have more capacity than the original old nokia that was 1500mAh a year ago :) Feb 27 02:35:37 because small batteries struggle at delivering peak power efficiently Feb 27 02:35:46 yes Feb 27 02:36:21 if you run all the power consuming features at once on the normal battery, and that means 30% losses in heat, a double sized battery (of equal quality) will mean only 15% losses Feb 27 02:36:44 Again using my N8x0 as example, because I've got a fairly accurate metering setup there, there's about 10%-20% difference (with a slightly aged battery) between use as media player (high drain) and idle internet chat (medium drain) :) Feb 27 02:38:42 ok q Feb 27 02:38:43 brb Feb 27 02:38:46 how do u install the sdk? Feb 27 02:44:17 this eten bat extender is ridiculous. in 7mm full plane the could have packed a 3500mAh easily. And I wonder how tF the main cam is supposed to work Feb 27 02:45:26 ShadowJK: huh? LiPo aging faster than LiIon? Feb 27 02:46:49 hey if I create a desktop icon under /usr/share/Applications/hildon how can I assign it a category so that Catorize can place it under one? Feb 27 02:47:56 DocScrutinizer, yes Feb 27 02:48:40 Well, atleast the mugen/eten batteries age slower in my use :) Feb 27 02:48:48 speaking of... Feb 27 02:49:05 it's the last few days to preorder N900 extended battery at the "special" price.. Feb 27 02:49:44 that may explain a bit. My 6210 battery was at maybe 75% after 8 years of 24/7 use Feb 27 02:50:05 I suspect the camera in worst case will be a transparent window Feb 27 02:50:16 I will order the N900 tomorrow then :) Feb 27 02:50:16 with no moving parts Feb 27 02:50:28 ShadowJK: ack Feb 27 02:50:37 :-/ Feb 27 02:50:53 I don't want that bulk Feb 27 02:51:20 It's better than my previous bulk... E70 plus AA-battery-powered booster :) Feb 27 02:51:28 lol Feb 27 02:52:31 the booster use with N900 is kinda hard Feb 27 02:52:45 I'd prefer to drill 2 1mm holes to the original backlid and build a DIY piggyback to hold a number of AAA Feb 27 02:52:49 like, I used to plug/unplug the booster when taking the device out of pocket, etc Feb 27 02:52:52 to snap on Feb 27 02:53:12 but with the microusb the damn plugging/unplugging takes ages to not only align the plug, but also rotate it... Feb 27 02:53:35 they should really have added some plastic bits to the hole to guide it into the receptable Feb 27 02:53:49 instead of just leaving the hole, and then the smaller metal hole of the receptable... Feb 27 02:54:04 hrey fsckng should have added 3mm barrel charger receptacle Feb 27 02:54:11 the plug goes in, but you only just cleared the plastic and you're pushing the plug against the exterior metal shell :( Feb 27 02:54:28 maybe the 1mm like on n810 Feb 27 02:54:34 i think they call it 2mm Feb 27 02:55:02 maybe Feb 27 02:55:07 My E75 has both 2mm and microusb charging... the 2mm was usable for "slide phone into pocket and connect charger at the same time" Feb 27 02:55:09 1,8 Feb 27 02:55:27 They published a spec for it and called it 2mm charging spec, so there :P Feb 27 02:56:18 anyway, we got none. Just bloody usb charging Feb 27 02:56:26 and no hostmode :-( Feb 27 02:56:35 and no ponies :( Feb 27 02:58:30 iirc the original backlid wasn't all that expensive Feb 27 02:58:49 there's the issue of finding a shop that will sell it, but.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 27 02:59:56 2010