**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 17 02:59:57 2010 Mar 17 03:46:59 sigh... they don't provide the N900 style micro USB to old style charger adapters in the box :( Mar 17 03:51:22 really? interesting. I think they did with the 300 they loaned out .. Mar 17 03:51:39 not in my factory fresh box Mar 17 03:52:00 bummer Mar 17 03:52:06 it did come with a microUSB to USB A cable which I assume would let me charge off a cigarette lighter to USB power adapter Mar 17 03:52:55 as long as that charger "does the right thing" in regard to putting a resistance across the data pins of the usb plug Mar 17 03:53:11 Oh? Mar 17 03:53:25 that is not good Mar 17 03:53:32 the good news is that I *think* the iPhone has the same requirement Mar 17 03:53:38 it's part of the USB charging spec Mar 17 03:53:53 so it does away with the whole enumerate for 500mA thing? Mar 17 03:54:24 errr, if it actually gets a real response on the other side, yes, it does the right thing Mar 17 03:54:46 if you just run 5V down the usb power lines it will not be happy Mar 17 03:55:00 Hmmm I wonder if the el cheap car stereo USB jack will work then Mar 17 03:55:10 that thing will enumerate mass storage Mar 17 03:55:33 (!) then, yes. I think it's fine Mar 17 03:55:48 the rule of thumb is: Does it work with the iPhone? if yes: you're all set Mar 17 03:56:11 donno, never tried it Mar 17 03:56:16 how do I know it is not happy? Mar 17 03:56:40 if it doesn't charge :) Mar 17 03:56:53 as in the battery icon don't animate? Mar 17 03:57:17 yeah Mar 17 03:57:38 someone had more solid info than me on talk.m.o Mar 17 03:57:47 I'm just repeating what I've heard Mar 17 03:58:04 the talk.m.o postings seems to be all over the place... apparently one of the official adapters melted Mar 17 03:58:23 fun Mar 17 03:58:38 also, sometimes the usb socket on the N900 can come loose and fall out under normal usage Mar 17 03:59:05 saw those posts Mar 17 03:59:26 happened to rm_you as well Mar 17 03:59:32 i really wish they didn't go microusb; that seems to be the entire crux of all my complaints Mar 17 03:59:40 was rm_you's a preproduction? Mar 17 03:59:57 yeah Mar 17 04:00:19 Did someone actually find a qualitative hardware difference between the pre-prod and the production N900s? Mar 17 04:00:32 I noticed the pictures from earlier today shows the plastic pins sheared off Mar 17 04:00:48 some guy posted saying there might be a difference Mar 17 04:01:14 It was so close to the release of final hardware I just can't imagine it being different Mar 17 04:01:50 that's one of the reasons i favor through hole connectors Mar 17 04:02:35 because they stay attached to the *&$%ing device instead of falling out in normal usage? Yeah, I've heard other people say that... :) Mar 17 04:02:55 solder is not a mechanical connection... it is electrical Mar 17 04:03:28 so that means you are relying on 2 pins (plastic) and the glue on the copper to hold it in place against something that has a 2-3inch long lever prying it up Mar 17 04:03:30 if they want the mechanical equivalent I think it's welding. That'd hold the connector in their nice n' tight Mar 17 04:05:05 nothing to weld to based on the pictures Mar 17 04:05:17 prehaps a screwthrough theboard with a nut Mar 17 04:05:27 well that's the other problem: case isn't made of stainless steel :> Mar 17 04:05:43 if the thing looks like a brick it might as well weigh like one Mar 17 04:05:55 make it out of titanium ;) Mar 17 04:06:20 the way the jack is, there isn't too much in the way of resistance to upward forces besides the glue on the copper foil Mar 17 04:06:24 though I think both of our choices might cause signal interference ... Mar 17 04:06:30 yep Mar 17 04:06:41 that thing is a RF nightmare with all the radios Mar 17 04:06:53 so I'd settle for a steel slide-out system board tray Mar 17 04:07:37 but yeah Mar 17 04:07:40 well, plastic isn't too bad...the collie was reasonably rugged Mar 17 04:08:10 when taken to the beach it *is* susceptible to getting sand under the touchscreen Mar 17 04:08:14 that's about the only fault Mar 17 04:08:22 shame it never had proper support in 2.6 Mar 17 04:09:16 what was the issue with 2.6 on collie? Mar 17 04:10:09 it was never finished. kinda flaky SD support, no sound, no touch screen, no APM (AFAIK) Mar 17 04:10:11 ds3, it's just as well, the old-style adaptor is slow and prone to heating up. Mar 17 04:10:47 though it's a good source for parts if you want to make your own 5V -> micro-usb charger ;) Mar 17 04:11:11 GA: I wanted a mobile charger Mar 17 04:11:35 Get a new Nokia one? Mar 17 04:11:42 from johnx's notes about having to do something with the dataline, I can't even use my aux battery Mar 17 04:11:43 3rd party ones have a tendency to mess up the FM transmitter Mar 17 04:11:57 which is the right one? there are reports of the N95 version melting? Mar 17 04:12:08 DC-10, I think. Mar 17 04:12:18 No, maybe not. Mar 17 04:12:29 I think a resistor of the right size across the data lines is the right thing Mar 17 04:12:32 easy enough Mar 17 04:12:39 DC-6? Mar 17 04:12:40 Hrm Mar 17 04:13:14 http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/n900-charging-from-dumb-charger/ Mar 17 04:13:59 nothing on amazon Mar 17 04:14:36 I don't want the 12V adapter, I want the old style to microusb adapter so I can use my aux batteries Mar 17 04:17:36 any P/N's for the adapter cable? Mar 17 04:18:04 one sec Mar 17 04:18:51 thanks for the link... I'll probally build one when I get time... it'll be a secondary route Mar 17 04:19:28 CA-146C Mar 17 04:20:33 thanks... the amazon hit looks right Mar 17 04:21:25 actually it's quite neat because it supports the old-old Nokia charger which happens to be a similar size to a lot of other 5V chargers I had lying about Mar 17 04:21:33 not the same size as the zaurus/psp charger though Mar 17 04:22:22 from an initial feel of it, I think the clam shell Z's felt better Mar 17 04:22:35 the charge plug definitely gets in the way of hold it Mar 17 04:38:16 Hi all. Was wondering if somebody could help me, I'd like to install man pages on my N900, what package will I need? Only advice I've found by searching is regarding installing man pages on Scratchbox, and some assurances it was possible in earlier versions of Maemo. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! : ) Mar 17 04:40:10 you may be out of luck in terms of a ready-to-go package Mar 17 04:41:59 thats fine johnx, what steps could I take? Mar 17 04:42:29 how comfortable are you with hacking around in linux? (also, how much effort do you want to spend?) Mar 17 04:44:01 if you're fairly comfortable, I would just go over to debian and find the source package for their man package and try and get it to put itself together in scratchbox Mar 17 04:44:08 I've got an okay grasp of the command line and I don't mind learning new stuff. What are you thinking? : ) Mar 17 04:44:34 Okay, could try that Mar 17 04:44:56 you'll want to optify it so it doesn't soak up the rest of the space on your / partition Mar 17 04:45:31 why bother with a package? Mar 17 04:45:41 ello Mar 17 04:45:42 yeah, that's the other option :) Mar 17 04:45:45 they are just nroff pages...copy them over; get a copy of groff installed and be done with Mar 17 04:46:21 hmmm. man is just a frontend for groff and $PAGER, huh? Mar 17 04:46:26 yep Mar 17 04:46:33 haven't really thought about that before Mar 17 04:46:47 let me see if I canfind my old sources for my own man Mar 17 04:47:00 Cool, thanks ds3! : ) Mar 17 04:47:15 anyone have any tutorials for programming for maemo? Mar 17 04:47:34 groff -Tandoc foo.1 | less -si Mar 17 04:47:47 I think that's the call... couldn't find my sources Mar 17 04:47:48 you'll need to package less Mar 17 04:47:49 * johnx ducks Mar 17 04:48:01 what?! busybox didn't include less? Mar 17 04:48:08 fine. use more :P Mar 17 04:48:09 well it has more ... Mar 17 04:48:19 Trigger, Maemo is Linux based, as long as you're familiar with a programming language, you'd be better off learning about Qt. Mar 17 04:48:38 the other option is just copy some pre-html'ified man pages Mar 17 04:48:42 and use the browser Mar 17 04:48:44 To be honest I'm completely new to programming altogether. Mar 17 04:49:11 Trigger, Have you asked google for "tutorial maemo programming" already and are looking for something more basic? Mar 17 04:49:11 I have learned some of the basic of java thats about it. I was kinda hoping to try a different language to contrast with java. Mar 17 04:49:14 Start learning some Ruby or Python then. : ) Mar 17 04:49:20 if it was me I'd suggest python+qt Mar 17 04:49:30 if it uses inetd, you can shell script a man page to HTML converter in shell script Mar 17 04:49:33 it's very quick to get some results up without a ton of work Mar 17 04:50:15 anyways, time for me to pass out. haven't caught up from daylight "savings" time switch yet. 'night all Mar 17 04:50:25 i was actually looking for something more along the lines of syntax information Mar 17 04:50:47 like, for which language? Mar 17 04:50:59 C, C++, Python? Mar 17 04:51:21 Cool, I'm going to investigate alternative ways to get man pages on the N900. TBH, I'd be happier installing it because it's quicker to type man [command] in an X terminal, but there you go! Is this not going to be of use to me? wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/man-db Mar 17 04:51:31 any really to be honest I understand how java works, what a java compiler is and does and why what is needed in java is needed so to speak Mar 17 04:51:52 however, when it comes to the maemo os its hard for me to even try and find out where to begin. Mar 17 04:52:12 Trigger, Maemo is Linux Mar 17 04:52:19 Trigger, what you need to understand is that there isn't syntax specific to Maemo, you want to learn about Linux. Mar 17 04:52:32 Devices that run Maemo Linux tend to have small screens and run off batteries, so you need to take that into consideration Mar 17 04:53:12 If you use Qt the smaller screen is easy enough to handle though right? Mar 17 04:53:58 yup. I'm just saying it's more *similar* to desktop linux than *different* Mar 17 04:54:07 Trigger, you'd be better off getting yourself a decent book on programming. I'm currrently working through C++ Primer Plus (5th Edition), highly recommended, you can get it from Amazon if you're interested. Mar 17 04:54:09 The most popular languages used for Maemo programming are: C (with GTK), C++ (with QT), Python (with QT or GTK), and maybe Vala (with GTK and/or ???) Mar 17 04:54:40 how similar/different would programming in those languages be to developing for the windows enviroment? Mar 17 04:54:55 ZenoArrow, that might do the trick (WRT man-db), but you'll need groff as a dependency and you'll probably want a more comfortable $PAGER than busybox more Mar 17 04:55:01 so you'll need to get less setup Mar 17 04:55:22 Thanks for the advice johnx, I'll look into it. : ) Mar 17 04:55:40 Trigger, Qt with python or C++ might not be toooo different Mar 17 04:56:13 if you have a windows box, get yourself setup with vmware player (or virtualbox) and a recent version of linux to work in Mar 17 04:56:15 I wouldn't advise Trigger to start off with Qt though, bit out of his league by the sounds of it, console apps to start with. Mar 17 04:56:18 should make things much simpler Mar 17 04:57:27 I am open to any suggestions. My biggest problem is usually just finding a starting point. Not gunna deny an obvious lack of experience all around with linux (something I am dying to change >.<) Mar 17 04:57:29 ZenoArrow, Qt designer goes a long way towards dumbing things down enough that even I managed to paint some widgets on the screen ;) But I agree in general Mar 17 04:57:46 Trigger, download Qt Creator (it's cross-platform, chances are it's available for you to use), it's a great IDE, I use it myself. You'll still need the programming knowledge though, so get reading up on a language! : ) Mar 17 04:58:21 johnx, Qt Designer might help in designing the UI but you still have to understand the hooks. : ) Mar 17 04:59:17 Trigger, I think ZenoArrow and I concur that Python is a nice way to get up to speed quickly without getting too bogged down in syntax Mar 17 04:59:40 I prefer Ruby, but yeah, Python is a decent way to start. : ) Mar 17 04:59:54 Sure I can try that. so python and qt creator? Mar 17 05:00:17 Would it be benefical to goahead and reload ubuntu to my laptop? or could this be developed from windows? Mar 17 05:00:19 yeah, but start with just python Mar 17 05:01:10 python shouldn't behave *too* differently on windows and linux as long as you're not doing something that really exposes the differences like ... *shrugs* doing low-level file I/O or low-level networking Mar 17 05:01:19 not much windows experience here though. heh. Mar 17 05:01:24 Yes, please just start with Python, you can use Qt Creator as your IDE if you wish, though it would be overkill, you'll just need a decent syntax-highlighting text editor. Mar 17 05:01:49 If you're running Windows I'd say Notepad++ is a better option. Mar 17 05:02:11 notepad++ is fine by me. Mar 17 05:02:19 in the medium to longer term it might be worth putting ubuntu back on your laptop when you want to start bringing your program to Maemo Mar 17 05:02:27 but another good option is virtualbox/vmware player Mar 17 05:02:36 anyways, really need to sleep now :) Mar 17 05:02:37 You'll need a Python tutorial too, I'll see if I can find you a decent one, BRB... Mar 17 05:02:37 good luck Mar 17 05:02:53 good night johnx, thanks for your help earlier. : ) Mar 17 05:03:31 if I ever get tax return.. I'll go ahead and delete windows 7 from my laptop altogether and dual boot on the new computer, my laptop will just be a linux box. Mar 17 05:04:46 Trigger, I would recommend keeping Windows around, Linux still has a slight learning curve, doesn't hurt to keep a more familiar environment installed, even just for backup or running games. : ) Mar 17 05:05:08 Eh. I actually won't say I am *great* with linux Mar 17 05:05:37 but, when my comp got a virus I had the idea to boot linux and was able to recover all important data from the linux partition. Mar 17 05:05:51 which wasn't bad for my first time using linux Mar 17 05:05:59 Back with Python tutorials, I find videos are the most comfortable place to start (I just started learning Lisp from video tutorials on the weekend). Here's a introductory Python one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC5GeZIOZaU Mar 17 05:06:30 many thanks for that. Mar 17 05:07:10 Trigger, that's cool mate, I'm not knocking your Linux skills exactly, all I'm saying is errors happen to everybody, and it's good to have a backup OS, just like you found when you recovered the files from your Windows partition. : ) Mar 17 05:07:17 and I would still have windows on the desktop (gaming is part of the reason I am buying it) but, my laptop would be for linux/school purposes. I have noticed everything I need to do for school can be done on linux. Mar 17 05:07:47 eh. From my limited experience with linux.. I have had less problems with its os than windows XD Mar 17 05:08:38 for several months it was my only means of using my computer.. I wish I woulda known about msdnaa sooner tought >.<; Mar 17 05:08:57 That's cool, glad you have, I'm quite the opposite, Windows feels fairly comfortable but I've had enough problems with Linux throughout the years to keep me entertained, ever used ndiswrapper for example? ; ) Mar 17 05:09:30 can't say I have although gparted has given me the run around XD Mar 17 05:10:32 and don't get me wrong I'm comfortable on windows. But, if I get rid of it on my laptop, it creates a "learn or die" atmosphere.. which is pretty good for keeping me from going "ok bored time for windows" Mar 17 05:10:52 Gparted is one of my favourite tools. Ndiswrapper was/is a real git to get working properly, it's for using Windows WiFi drivers in Linux, which until fairly recently was a common thing to need. Mar 17 05:11:23 Yeah, forces you to learn if you get rid of Windows, good point. : ) Mar 17 05:11:56 I'm a ferm believer linux is the future. Mar 17 05:12:04 *firm Mar 17 05:12:20 whether short term or long. Might as well get use to it now. Mar 17 05:12:43 Funnily enough I was thinking tonight about what system I should dual boot with XP on my laptop, I've got a broken Slackware install on it now, still thinking about my options. Mar 17 05:12:46 not sayings it perfect by anymeans but, its a very fascinating topic as a whole. Mar 17 05:13:22 Personally I'm waiting for the day that Haiku OS is more stable, I can really see that being a strong competitor to Linux on the desktop. Mar 17 05:13:55 lol. if i had more space I would be happy to have ubuntu dual booting right now on my laptop, but, its only 100 gigs.. so with half of the hdd already being used.. i don't want to take away any more space. Mar 17 05:14:36 I personally think its a good thing there is competition in general. Although I must admit it does astound me how people only see 'apple' and 'windows' in the world Mar 17 05:14:41 Ah, might have some advice for you there buddy, regarding partitions... Mar 17 05:14:53 I'm open Mar 17 05:18:27 This is what I think is the ideal partition set up for a dual boot machine (order doesn't matter): operating system 1, operating system 2, linux swap (if applicable), data. Keep the operating system partitions to roughly 10GB each (depending on how many apps you think you'll install), usual rules for linux swap size, and have the rest as a data partition. Important not to map your home... Mar 17 05:18:29 ...partions to your data partitions, but you can set up symlinks so that it works like a home partition. If you wanted Windows + Linux your data partition should be NTFS. Does this plan make sense to you, or would you like some further detail? Mar 17 05:19:51 Hm. to be honest the first problem I see (correct me if i'm misunderstanding) is even if win 7 fits on a 10 gig partition.. that leaves no room for expansion. Mar 17 05:20:04 i mean I'm using up nearly 40 gigs for win 7 alone Mar 17 05:20:08 no games in stalled Mar 17 05:20:14 besides guildwars Mar 17 05:20:32 its a pretty fresh instal actually less than a week Mar 17 05:20:41 Haha, yeah, I suppose I was treating Windows as XP. Well, how big is your Windows folder? Without installed games and apps? Mar 17 05:20:54 actually let me check Mar 17 05:21:03 Okay Mar 17 05:21:22 5 gigs and climbing! Mar 17 05:21:48 7.86 gigs Mar 17 05:22:47 7.68 gigs and climbing, so 10 gigs is fine then. : ) The only thing you really need to leave space for is service packs/updates, you can install your games and apps to the data partition you'd be sharing with Linux. : ) Mar 17 05:23:40 welllll i just figured out where all the data is being whored Mar 17 05:23:44 "windows.old" folder Mar 17 05:23:59 windows.old folder?? Mar 17 05:24:07 What's in there? Mar 17 05:24:12 that is 35 gigs by itself Mar 17 05:24:39 it looks like everything from before i reinstalls win 7 Mar 17 05:24:57 Did you upgrade it from Vista? Mar 17 05:25:41 yes and no. Mar 17 05:25:44 I had vista Mar 17 05:25:51 but, I did a fresh install and wiped vista. Mar 17 05:26:05 and then last week i reinstalled again. Mar 17 05:26:10 Seems like it's still there to me ha! : ) Mar 17 05:26:21 windows lies!!! Mar 17 05:26:28 "warning this will erase everything!!!" Mar 17 05:26:43 =/= "will put everything saved into a folder called windows.old Mar 17 05:26:53 Hahaha! Mar 17 05:27:16 Maybe it's time to break out you're favourite tool (gparted) and do the job properly! ; ) Mar 17 05:27:39 Could do a lot with 35 gigs. : ) Mar 17 05:27:45 first thing is first. Saving plants vs zombies! Mar 17 05:27:52 ??? Mar 17 05:28:12 its a game I thought I deleted and then later regretted Mar 17 05:28:20 i thought i lost all my save data for it XD Mar 17 05:28:43 Every cloud has a silver lining. : ) Mar 17 05:29:15 What laptop you running there Trigger? Mar 17 05:29:25 this silver lining is getting 35 gigs of free space XD Mar 17 05:29:31 hp nc8430 Mar 17 05:30:20 cost me a pretty penny back in the day. Mar 17 05:31:08 Just had a look at it on tinternet, nice one, I've got a Thinkpad T61 here, bit of an older model but I really like it. : ) Mar 17 05:31:58 When I got mine it was highly recommended. I ended up paying liek 2600$ for it hard to believe it but, it was like 3 years ago.. closer to 4 maybe. Mar 17 05:33:24 Then again, at the time it could play any game I wanted to and had I played my cards right I'd be out of school.. But, I didn't. so I'll be getting a desktop to replace it as my "power toy". it will be for getting more hands on with linux. Mar 17 05:33:27 I have no idea how much $2600 would be equivalent too in my currency, but does sound like a lot. : ) Has yours got the pointing stick in the keyboard? Mar 17 05:33:37 and the touchpad Mar 17 05:33:45 where are you from? Mar 17 05:34:36 From the UK. I really should be in bed right now, it's 5:30am and I've got work in a few hours! What do you find you use more, the touchpad or the pointing stick? Mar 17 05:34:49 touchpad honestly. Mar 17 05:35:16 Same here, though I do notice when I use other people's laptops that I miss the pointing stick. : ) Mar 17 05:35:34 I know what you mean. Mar 17 05:36:01 then again i miss using a mouse. Not that I don't have one.. its just if I have the touch pad option it seems odd to reach further for the mouse. Mar 17 05:36:04 Where you from Trigger? US? Canada? Mar 17 05:36:12 United states Mar 17 05:36:28 Cool, which part? Mar 17 05:36:38 The uneducated part! louisiana Mar 17 05:37:53 To be honest I only really miss having a mouse when it comes to gaming, downloaded Starcraft 1 a few months back (yep, took me that long to try it out!), and the frustrating part was the control felt awkward without a mouse. Mar 17 05:38:21 lol. I love my mx revolution. Mar 17 05:39:19 but, then again I'm about ready for a new comp altogether. My laptop is still great.. but, its only got 2 gigs..of ram which is great for general use.. but, for anything remotely more intense.. it may not "lag" but, the performance degrades enough to bug me. Mar 17 05:39:29 Trigger, too bad Logitech killed the newer version. Mar 17 05:39:46 mine is the older. whats wrong with newer? Mar 17 05:39:47 Louisiana, don't know enough about it, but I'm sure it's fine. : ) Here's something you might be interested in, I was reading it earlier tonight... http://unix.t-a-y-l-o-r.com/index.html Mar 17 05:40:31 Anyways, off to bed, see y'all. : ) Mar 17 05:40:50 Zeno louisiana is a pretty corrupt state politically, and most people get a degree and leave the state lol. Mar 17 05:40:56 well nm lol Mar 17 05:41:46 anyway what happened with the new mx? Mar 17 06:03:31 zzz Mar 17 06:19:26 hm Mar 17 06:19:39 i seems to have 15M free in rootfs Mar 17 06:19:46 is that bad? Mar 17 06:19:48 better than zero Mar 17 06:21:55 hm, apt-cget clean maked 15M free Mar 17 06:22:18 -c Mar 17 06:35:02 Just getting started with N900! Downloaded firefox. Is it possible to make it default browser? Mar 17 06:35:31 I think there's an app called browser switchboard Mar 17 06:36:57 dmj7261: I don't find it in the app manager Mar 17 06:37:20 hmm...I'm not sure if it's in extras, testing, or devel Mar 17 06:38:03 Some people seem to be really fond of the Firefox on N900. Could someone enlighten me... Why? Mar 17 06:38:24 The one I tried was slow Mar 17 06:38:39 the built in one or the mozilla one? Mar 17 06:39:03 Eh... The one that's built in is called MicroB Mar 17 06:40:07 The built in browser is pretty good in my opinion. Mar 17 06:40:40 I think the built in one sets a pretty high standard Mar 17 06:41:15 yeah Mar 17 06:42:23 nakomik: it's still in extras-devel Mar 17 06:42:33 Do you know what that is? Mar 17 06:43:39 dmj7261: I know, but don't know how to enable that repository. Mar 17 06:44:12 dmj7261: I am ubuntu user but Maemo feels different because it's on a phone. Mar 17 06:44:15 You know that applications in extras devel have not been tested and could potentially do very nasty things to your device? Mar 17 06:45:29 dmj7261: yes, I know that. Mar 17 06:45:32 Okay Mar 17 06:45:53 in the application manager go to the menu at the top Mar 17 06:46:03 select application catalogs Mar 17 06:46:38 dmj7261: so far with you Mar 17 06:46:46 press new Mar 17 06:47:15 catalog name: Maemo Extras Devel Mar 17 06:47:35 ok Mar 17 06:47:41 Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ Mar 17 06:47:52 Distribution: fremantle Mar 17 06:48:02 Components: free non-free Mar 17 06:49:10 ok Mar 17 06:49:24 then save Mar 17 06:49:33 make sure it's not set as disabled Mar 17 06:50:47 and if you don't want to risking bricking your phone, it's recommended to disable the repo after the install Mar 17 06:50:55 the only thing missing in FF compared to MicroB that I have found so far is the Zoom feature with pressing the volume +/- button Mar 17 06:50:58 quite true Mar 17 06:51:55 i prefer microB, but it's really unstable (for me at least) : < Mar 17 06:51:58 is there a zoom gesture in ff? Mar 17 06:52:04 except for tapping Mar 17 06:57:40 bbttww,, wwhhyy ddoeoess mamaememoo ssoommeettiimmeess dduupplliiccaattee e evveerryytthihinngg ii wwrriittee?? Mar 17 06:57:43 l Mar 17 06:57:43 l Mar 17 06:57:44 o Mar 17 06:57:44 o Mar 17 06:57:44 l Mar 17 06:57:44 l Mar 17 06:57:45 f Mar 17 06:59:23 Haven't had that problem Mar 17 07:00:40 hhmm,, bbrrbb rreebboooott Mar 17 07:02:33 test Mar 17 07:02:39 yay Mar 17 07:36:48 FredrIQ, I had that happen to me the other day after I exited weirdly from vi in the terminal. Mar 17 08:16:20 awfully quiet here today. Anyone on? Mar 17 08:16:50 nope Mar 17 08:19:35 Hello all ! Mar 17 08:21:27 figured. Mar 17 08:21:37 Hi Khertan! Mar 17 08:22:20 [08:37:04] FredrIQ, I had that happen to me the other day after I exited weirdly from vi in the terminal. Mar 17 08:22:46 actually, i did that yesterday, but it also has happened before i even installed that. Mar 17 08:22:47 Khertan, hey you probably know about this. I read somewhere a while ago that there are issues with threading in python desktop widgets. Is that still the case? Mar 17 08:23:17 yes Mar 17 08:23:27 Khertan, so you can't do it at all? Mar 17 08:23:35 and also some bugs in the python hildon launcher Mar 17 08:23:55 which make sometimes widget appear or disappear without apparent reason Mar 17 08:24:03 mece: it seems not Mar 17 08:24:27 and this is why i didn't port my home widget from diablo to fremantle Mar 17 08:24:54 but can't it be fixed? Mar 17 08:24:58 Khertan, hmm well that's rather annoying. Mar 17 08:25:08 is this issue a design thing or just a bug in python? Mar 17 08:25:29 ptl, pymaemo bug afaik Mar 17 08:26:23 ptl: don't know Mar 17 08:26:46 for the bugs i think it s a bug ... but for thread i think it s in design Mar 17 08:27:08 :[ Mar 17 08:27:44 ouch.. Mar 17 08:28:10 but how do non-python widgets do it? Or do they? Mar 17 08:30:22 isn't there a workaround? Mar 17 08:34:13 i wonder. Mar 17 08:42:33 ptl, apparently one should use IO callbacks as mentioned in the bugtracker here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7809 Mar 17 08:42:34 Bug 7809: Python widgets can't use threads Mar 17 08:42:44 ~thanks Mar 17 08:42:45 bitte, mece Mar 17 09:00:54 mece: thanks, I'll read Mar 17 09:10:05 how do you compile sources in scratchbox? Mar 17 09:10:09 do you keep them there Mar 17 09:10:18 or do you mount your real home dir? Mar 17 09:10:49 I keep them there Mar 17 09:10:54 I dunno about other people tho Mar 17 09:11:17 If I need to import sources from somewhere I just copy it to my home dir in scratchbox Mar 17 09:13:59 GeneralAntilles: ping Mar 17 09:20:19 how do you test/build packages? Mar 17 09:20:24 debuild + install? Mar 17 09:20:31 ./configure && make install? Mar 17 09:21:27 E: Build-Depends dependency for modest cannot be satisfied because the package calendar-ui-widgets-0-dev cannot be found Mar 17 09:21:30 huh? Mar 17 09:29:53 /usr/bin/make: relocation error: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libdl.so.2: symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference Mar 17 09:29:58 anybody had this issue? Mar 17 09:32:19 hola :) Mar 17 09:32:31 ¡Hola! Mar 17 09:32:37 please - is there an mplayer package for N900? Mar 17 09:32:49 hm Mar 17 09:32:50 think so Mar 17 09:32:57 yes there is Mar 17 09:33:35 mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player, N900 version. Mar 17 09:33:39 I'm looking for some media player capable of showing subtitles ... Mar 17 09:34:04 FredrIQ: where did you get that? Mar 17 09:34:06 :) Mar 17 09:34:17 vlc is ok, too Mar 17 09:34:19 apt-cache search mplayer Mar 17 09:34:45 don't know which repository it is uploaded in though Mar 17 09:34:54 extras-devel, i assume Mar 17 09:35:04 ok :) I have to find out how to install packages on it Mar 17 09:35:10 have it only for several hours Mar 17 09:35:15 fyi: need to use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Mar 17 09:36:03 supertramp: mplayer is the Way Forward(tm) Mar 17 09:38:41 I have debian - but don't wanna screw the phone somehow Mar 17 09:38:57 what is default root passwd? :) Mar 17 09:40:56 install the getroot package Mar 17 09:40:57 or so Mar 17 09:41:44 I'm going to read some docs Mar 17 09:41:46 :)) Mar 17 10:00:06 I tried to change the frequency of the update notifier from 1 day to 7 days by changing the value inside var/lib/gconf/apps/hildon/update-notifier/%gconf.xml to 10080, but it still seems to check (and download) every day. And yes, I rebooted and the changed value is still in there. Mar 17 10:08:26 I'm living in Australia and my N900 just arrived - would you guys suggest I flash the firmware with the "USA variant" or the "Global release"? thanks! Mar 17 10:09:31 chritto: doesn't matter usually, but global release is usually good Mar 17 10:09:46 thanks Stskeeps, much appreciated! Mar 17 10:10:30 is there any sw procedure I can completely destroy the phone? :) Mar 17 10:10:44 yes, overwriting your bootloader Mar 17 10:10:47 which is stupid as hell Mar 17 10:10:47 :P Mar 17 10:10:54 or overclocking the device Mar 17 10:11:42 overwriting bootloader is completely non reversible action? Mar 17 10:12:09 supertramp: For end users, yes. You then need special hardware. Mar 17 10:12:26 what special hw? arm programmer? Mar 17 10:12:29 supertramp: But I'm betting you don't manage to do that anway. Mar 17 10:13:08 where is the bootloader stored in the phone? Mar 17 10:13:12 Basically, if you have to ask that, you are not at risk ;) Mar 17 10:13:31 hmhm - I need more docs Mar 17 10:15:23 supertramp, a serial cable. Mar 17 10:15:27 Jaffa, pong? Mar 17 10:15:35 yeah :)) I thought so :) Mar 17 10:18:39 anyways - I fallen in love with the N900 - incredible device Mar 17 10:21:12 GeneralAntilles: Was wondering if it was you who removed the table-layout on the candidate page. Two issues I have with the current layout: 1) doesn't easily highlight which candidates haven't yet responded to Q&As; 2) doesn't make it clear that the summary is an extract of the declaration. Mar 17 10:21:21 GeneralAntilles: The latter could be fixed with some ellipsiseseses. Mar 17 10:21:31 Jaffa, perhaps, but it's less ugly. Mar 17 10:21:40 and consistent with previous summary pages. :P Mar 17 10:21:55 GeneralAntilles: It's not *actually* consistent with the previous summary pages :-p Mar 17 10:22:03 GeneralAntilles: But it is closer to them Mar 17 10:22:04 OK, _more_. Mar 17 10:27:15 Jaffa, little better now. Mar 17 10:27:31 Though it still lacks a table's glaceability it's at least not so hard on the eyes. ;) Mar 17 10:52:04 GeneralAntilles: Cool. Mar 17 10:52:16 GeneralAntilles: I look forward to YoDude linking his answers in. I ain't gonna do it for him Mar 17 10:52:25 Hehe Mar 17 10:59:42 I love Finland! Mar 17 11:00:41 supertramp, im sure finland loves you too Mar 17 11:00:56 lcuk, do you know what time it is? Mar 17 11:01:22 11am uk time, or commonly coffee time Mar 17 11:01:25 thanks for the reminder Mar 17 11:01:27 Wrong! Mar 17 11:01:29 Bacon time! Mar 17 11:01:45 did someone say coffee? don't mind if i doo! Mar 17 11:01:50 Hammer time! Mar 17 11:01:51 lol GeneralAntilles 10:14 this moring: Mar 17 11:01:53 E:TOOMUCHBACON Mar 17 11:01:53 and egg Mar 17 11:01:54 and sausage Mar 17 11:01:54 and beans Mar 17 11:01:54 and mushrooms Mar 17 11:01:54 and tomatoes Mar 17 11:01:54 and ooo bacon.... yay! Mar 17 11:01:56 and toast Mar 17 11:01:58 and coffee Mar 17 11:02:00 and milkshake :$ Mar 17 11:02:08 all blended together lcuk ? Mar 17 11:02:34 Does your milkshake bring all the boys to the yard lcuk? Mar 17 11:02:48 wasnt to start with, it sure is now! Mar 17 11:03:10 * lcuk puts head back into mini-rc Mar 17 11:04:10 http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/diary/who/SpeedEvil/ Mar 17 11:04:21 Perhaps the most boring page (for others) ever! Mar 17 11:05:00 how can one tell what's using the network connection? The round icon with two arrows (GSM data) is flashing, and the data counter goes up slowly. mail and mfe are not active Mar 17 11:05:23 tcpdump Mar 17 11:05:41 SpeedEvil, boring indeed. Mar 17 11:06:18 tcpdump -i wlan0 -s 9999 -X Mar 17 11:06:34 Morning, all Mar 17 11:06:34 >/home/user/MyDocs/tcpdump Mar 17 11:07:15 (tcpdump all packets up to 9999 bytes long to that file, decoding and presenting as hex and ascii Mar 17 11:07:43 * thresh finds it easier to tcpdump to a file and then wireshark it in a nice gui Mar 17 11:08:52 or there is even wireshark Mar 17 11:09:02 I never bothered learning wireshark Mar 17 11:09:18 not wifi, GSM (gprs)... Mar 17 11:09:31 petur: same idea then Mar 17 11:09:38 but chang the device Mar 17 11:09:41 what's the device name? Mar 17 11:10:04 IIRC gprs0 Mar 17 11:10:09 only when it's up though Mar 17 11:10:22 thanks Mar 17 11:11:00 See /etc/network/if-up.d/00_disable_icmp_echo_reply Mar 17 11:11:47 Adding stuff after echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all Mar 17 11:11:48 meh... of course it stopped now :( but the icon is still blinking Mar 17 11:11:57 will auto-start it when the network comes up Mar 17 11:12:15 (usual cautions of editing system files apply) Mar 17 11:15:09 Cautions, hah! Mar 17 11:15:15 I'm waiting to break my phone so I can re-flash it. Mar 17 11:15:16 ;/ Mar 17 11:22:56 Heya all Mar 17 11:25:13 * noobmonk3y waves Mar 17 11:25:27 anyone here with ipv6? Mar 17 11:26:34 \o Mar 17 11:26:38 * wazd_e63 thinks he needs to create an artwork for picodrive Mar 17 11:27:12 marmoute: could you ping 2001:16d8:ff00:236::2 ? Mar 17 11:29:19 if maemo (n800) is connected to mobile phone used as modem. someone knows, if there _could_ be a way to use the handy vibration for some notifications? Mar 17 11:29:34 maybe pidgin or something else Mar 17 11:30:08 Eichi: no Mar 17 11:30:56 okay :) thanks Mar 17 11:31:15 I have a problem installing a package from my local repository. If I add it manually in application manager, package install without problems, but with a one click install i get "Unable to install x. Incompatible application package". Can I find details about this problem in some log file? Mar 17 11:31:28 i miss the n900 jabber vibration notif on my n800 ;) Mar 17 11:32:12 but then, the only way would be a external bluetooth vibration device, would be the third then, thats a bit overloaded ;) Mar 17 11:32:41 hello guys Mar 17 11:32:57 For the life of me I cannot get espeak to output any sound. Mar 17 11:33:08 can anyone advise me? Mar 17 11:34:04 Who the hell sorts alphabetically by first name? Mar 17 11:34:18 C-S-B: espeak test doesn't work? Mar 17 11:35:12 well if i do espeak -ven hello ?I get nothing. Mar 17 11:36:08 you need quotation marks Mar 17 11:36:16 even with them, nothing Mar 17 11:36:22 Which is baffling Mar 17 11:36:41 Silent profile maybe? Mar 17 11:36:48 beats me, espeak works fine here. speakers switched off? Mar 17 11:37:04 * C-S-B is retarded Mar 17 11:37:12 I had the profile on silent Mar 17 11:37:16 but the volume up Mar 17 11:37:36 some apps don't output sound when the device is in silent mode :) Mar 17 11:37:40 thus I assumed that sounds generated by me would play (for example media player will still output) Mar 17 11:38:06 anyway of having the terminal output sound while in silent mode? must just be pulse? Mar 17 11:38:19 hm Mar 17 11:39:11 how come supertuxkart fails to start within xterm (debian chroot), but works just fine to start in LXDE? Mar 17 11:40:49 C-S-B, it might not be the easiest way but you can make a script that changes to general, outputs sound and goes back to silent mode Mar 17 11:43:06 espeak + ssh + lending n900 to girlfriend to play bubbels is great fun Mar 17 11:43:58 bubbels? Mar 17 11:44:12 game in -testing Mar 17 11:44:18 MohammadAG, sounds a bit backward but I see what you mean Mar 17 11:45:54 cannot open /dev/dsp - wtf ... Mar 17 11:46:45 ah Mar 17 11:46:47 profile Mar 17 11:46:47 ok Mar 17 11:48:47 anyone used navit practically Mar 17 11:48:57 Looks good if a little unstable Mar 17 11:49:26 Navit will depend on the data Mar 17 11:49:33 in some parts of the world, it's mostly OK Mar 17 11:50:23 seems fairly cover by osm in my area Mar 17 11:50:39 Where are you? Mar 17 11:50:49 uk, 40 mins out of london Mar 17 11:50:50 OSM is basically a rich geekmap Mar 17 11:51:03 yeah. There it's pretty good generally Mar 17 11:51:37 OSM is terrible Mar 17 11:51:54 OSM is variable. Mar 17 11:52:16 In some places, it's better than all commercial maps Mar 17 11:52:36 In others, there are no roads for hundreds of miles. Mar 17 11:53:07 adds to the exitement of your journey Mar 17 11:53:29 I think my touch assy is coming loose :( Mar 17 11:53:32 For most of england it's basically OK Mar 17 11:54:29 any ideas on how to fix that? Mar 17 11:54:48 Go out and map uncompleted areas. Mar 17 11:54:49 Oh Mar 17 11:55:02 how does one map accurately? Mar 17 11:55:06 MohammadAG: have you looked at the l1/l2 manuual? Mar 17 11:55:12 SpeedEvil, yeah Mar 17 11:55:31 C-S-B: wander around with GPS, noting details. Enter them into editors. Done. Mar 17 11:55:34 SpeedEvil, the touchscreen makes a click sound on the top area Mar 17 11:56:15 and it flexes inwards with a click (not the normal resistive ts flex - I know that) Mar 17 11:57:03 * C-S-B hates ear grease on the ts after a call Mar 17 11:57:15 MohammadAG: ah Mar 17 11:57:56 it happened to me before, near the hildon-status-menu area Mar 17 11:58:06 C-S-B: Use a headset ;) Mar 17 11:58:09 now it's on the right side, moving to the middle :( Mar 17 11:58:16 C-S-B: use soap Mar 17 11:58:31 lol Mar 17 11:58:36 cut off ear Mar 17 11:58:38 C-S-B, shout :p Mar 17 11:59:26 I wish the supplied head set had a headphone socket Mar 17 12:00:41 I wish the supplied headset could actually do something with the button other than for calls. Mar 17 12:01:31 TigerTael, qwerty12 made a daemon for it, but it doesn't seem to work anymore Mar 17 12:02:00 I actually bought bluetooth earphones now. Mar 17 12:02:16 So far, works well. Mar 17 12:02:53 use the keyboard! Mar 17 12:07:25 morning Mar 17 12:07:52 can someone tell me where package download stats are present? Mar 17 12:08:22 hrw: in Downloads. When an app reaches Extras. Mar 17 12:08:32 hrw, here: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ Mar 17 12:09:06 thx Mar 17 12:11:25 * ccooke prepares for another day of free food and staggeringly huge statistics Mar 17 12:12:22 (There are comanies out there who do more traffic, sure... but it's quite possible this one will be the largest I ever work for, and this is the most consistently huge week for us) Mar 17 12:13:07 free food? where? Mar 17 12:13:10 * timeless_mbp skipped lunch Mar 17 12:13:17 * timeless_mbp has been starving for hours Mar 17 12:13:25 * noobmonk3y is hungry :( Mar 17 12:13:35 this week, they don't want us away from our desks. So they bring in stacks of pizza. And: not yet, they're late. Mar 17 12:13:47 lol! Mar 17 12:13:53 so you are hard at work on irc, nice ;) Mar 17 12:14:10 heh Mar 17 12:14:20 * timeless_mbp misses previous employer Mar 17 12:14:27 when we had a deadline, they brought food for us Mar 17 12:14:30 and not always pizza Mar 17 12:14:32 * noobmonk3y wouldn't miss his current employer.... Mar 17 12:14:39 we could have thai or malai or ... Mar 17 12:14:49 noobmonk3y: if all goes well, today is going to be aday of being encouraged to bet on races. Mar 17 12:14:53 i get cold 2 days old sandwhiches if i am lucky..... Mar 17 12:14:59 lol ccooke Mar 17 12:15:04 If anything goes badly, it will be a long day of working out what's up Mar 17 12:15:13 but hey, we've spent months upgrading the site and servers for this Mar 17 12:15:17 :D Mar 17 12:15:20 now we find out if it was enough :-) Mar 17 12:15:47 good luck btw Mar 17 12:15:50 thanks Mar 17 12:16:08 may the cloud shine its face on you :) Mar 17 12:16:21 yesterday, we broke our RPS record... 47,000 requests per second at peak. Mar 17 12:16:38 wow... porn site? lol Mar 17 12:16:51 :-) Mar 17 12:17:16 nope. Betting exchange (that's people betting against each other; basically a stock exchange for sporting events) Mar 17 12:17:43 ahhh :D yeah seen a few of those sites advertisedo n tv Mar 17 12:18:41 *nod* Mar 17 12:18:45 I work for Betfair Mar 17 12:18:48 wazd, http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ Mar 17 12:18:58 ahhh that be the one i have heard off Mar 17 12:19:00 VDVsx: did you count typos per line? Mar 17 12:19:04 pr0n ads on TV? Mar 17 12:19:05 o.o Mar 17 12:19:26 yup Arif_ :D - but advised you use your imagination to make it look realistic lol Mar 17 12:19:35 timeless_mbp, where ? :p Mar 17 12:19:55 what channels do you watch? :P Mar 17 12:19:58 ccooke: many automated clients? Mar 17 12:20:26 conversations.nokia.com Mar 17 12:20:43 VDVsx: i only ask because i've read http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/03/02/nokia-c5-unveiled/ Mar 17 12:21:02 my employer never brings me food :< Mar 17 12:21:06 VDVsx, that plan sounds awful. Mar 17 12:21:09 timeless_mbp, lol, I usually only read the titles Mar 17 12:21:12 my kitchen is only 6 feet away though \o/ Mar 17 12:21:23 VDVsx: the content is funnier Mar 17 12:21:29 SpeedEvil: we have an API. It's pretty extreme. Mar 17 12:21:39 It'd be money well spent for Nokia to send its employees to English classes. ;) Mar 17 12:21:41 > It also comes packing free walk and drive navigation Mar 17 12:21:49 It's quite possible the web side alone will beat 8 billion page impressions this week Mar 17 12:21:54 lol nido Mar 17 12:21:58 timeless_mbp, that's an intimidating phone. Mar 17 12:22:12 my employer will bring you food, but only if you are a customer, or in our case, a patient lol (Health service) Mar 17 12:22:16 GeneralAntilles: well it sure ain't humble Mar 17 12:22:16 GeneralAntilles, or hire natives for certain jobs Mar 17 12:22:30 VDVsx, yeah, like copy editing. *g* Mar 17 12:22:33 several of our customers are health services \o/ Mar 17 12:22:39 what country? :D Mar 17 12:22:41 uk Mar 17 12:22:46 ahhh, me = NHS Mar 17 12:22:56 well not the whole of it, cos then i'd be a fat ass Mar 17 12:23:00 yer, we host a number of NHS websites for various pct's :p Mar 17 12:23:07 ahhhh Mar 17 12:23:19 we use easysite and i'm planning my revenge... erm business case to get of it Mar 17 12:23:44 (yay, pizza... bbs) Mar 17 12:23:48 lol ccooke Mar 17 12:24:04 I could recommend a good host various other pct's use and are happy with.. ;) Mar 17 12:24:17 not really a host at the moment - as i only have 1 web member of staff Mar 17 12:24:23 its more a cms.... :| Mar 17 12:24:28 hostings the easy bit :D Mar 17 12:24:49 but always happy to get info showing how other people do things :D Mar 17 12:25:23 http://www.ntw.nhs.uk/ < is how decent designers do things Mar 17 12:25:32 http://www.norfolk.nhs.uk/ < is how frontpage designers do things. :< Mar 17 12:26:08 http://www.sussexpartnership.nhs.uk - this is how 1 person stressed out and in a hurry does things ;) Mar 17 12:26:22 lol @ the norfolk one Mar 17 12:26:32 shame that even that site's massively nicer to look at than the norfolk site :< Mar 17 12:26:41 hehe yeah lol Mar 17 12:26:45 * Arif_ refreshes the app manager update screen and gets disappointed Mar 17 12:26:57 i joined and the comms lead had started out old one, was diabolical, so i had a play :D Mar 17 12:27:05 (*shudder* you know footage of pirahna devouring stuff? more than 200 geeks and a gigantic stack of pizza...) Mar 17 12:27:18 but not technically my job :P - so i hired a tech guy to look after it and leave content to the people who should do it :D Mar 17 12:27:28 GeneralAntilles: but why did you call it intimidating? Mar 17 12:27:48 timeless_mbp, the phrasing makes it sound like it's packing heat. Mar 17 12:28:24 brb 2 mins Mar 17 12:28:40 hosted by titan, eh Mar 17 12:28:40 i'm surprised you haven't seen that page mentioned before Mar 17 12:28:44 it's really awesome Mar 17 12:29:42 timeless_mbp, my attention level for the past couple weeks has been low. Mar 17 12:30:00 * TigerTael sighs and watches the SDK script installing for the second time. Mar 17 12:32:45 better to install the sdk on local system or use the vm that I've seen mentioned? Mar 17 12:33:02 or 3) compile on device. Mar 17 12:33:56 C-S-B, I tried the VM image, wasn't too happy... Mar 17 12:34:04 But it was the easiest to pick up and run with. Mar 17 12:34:33 esbox installed and all. Mar 17 12:34:34 whats hosted by titan nido? Mar 17 12:34:35 what made you unhappy with it? Mar 17 12:34:46 (no idea on our site, so many people involved :( ) Mar 17 12:34:48 your site, it seems :P Mar 17 12:35:03 C-S-B, old Ubuntu distro, system setup not quite how I like it... some SDK things didn't seem to gel... Mar 17 12:35:59 lol easysite host it, we pay a 3rd party NHS it lot... all annoying and costly..... Mar 17 12:37:00 hi, wondering if the gps on the n900 will work in eastern europe i cant seem to get it to pick up in bulgaria. I have the usa version if that is an issue? Do I have to reflash using international firmware? Mar 17 12:37:48 How long have you left it out in an open area? Mar 17 12:37:51 it's weak without data connectivity Mar 17 12:38:15 TigerTael, ShadowJK I see so it requires an operator Mar 17 12:38:29 and ovi maps gives up after 30 secs, so it's useless for getting a signal without data connectivity Mar 17 12:38:52 it's not required, but it makes it take less timr Mar 17 12:39:03 Rehi Mar 17 12:39:19 I see thanks guys I will keep that in mind and try Mar 17 12:41:10 location-test-ui from tools repo, or gpsjinni fron one of thr extras repos is better to get first fix with Mar 17 12:41:42 as I said ovi maps gives up after 30secs and it can take many minutes withiut data connection Mar 17 12:43:51 ponyofdeath: gps worked for me in Ukraine Mar 17 12:43:55 ShadowJK: ok i will check those out thanks again Mar 17 12:43:58 the way I read the bug report, ovi maps gives up when the screensaver kicks in, so that you could just keep clicking stuff to keep it from giving up... but I could be wrong I suppose Mar 17 12:44:04 keep in mind that Nokia Maps coverage in Eastern Europe is AWFUL Mar 17 12:44:13 and if you don't have maps predownloaded and use roaming 3g Mar 17 12:44:30 expect to see a VERY HIGH phone bill a month or two later Mar 17 12:44:58 timeless_mbp: :) yeah just trying to get the gps tag for my photos :) Mar 17 12:45:32 as long as you only want lat/long, and don't expect particularly useful region names Mar 17 12:45:42 and again, keep in mind you're still going to get hit by roaming fees Mar 17 12:45:47 it should be fine Mar 17 12:46:00 i'm not sure if i posted any of my photos to show the tagging, but i could... Mar 17 12:46:32 actually, the region tagging wasn't too bad there, it's just absolutely unhelpful since i can't use the cyrillic to do anything :) Mar 17 12:46:48 * ShadowJK didn't know it could fetch tags from gps Mar 17 12:47:55 ShadowJK: the tagging does all or nothing Mar 17 12:48:16 it grabs a gps fix, then reverse geocodes it, and writes the combination Mar 17 12:48:30 tim e less! Mar 17 12:48:54 and sometimes gets the geocoding wrong, as I recall... Mar 17 12:49:17 tybollt: laugh, but, i just met Tim Eliss earlier this week Mar 17 12:49:36 poor guy wanted to go by the nick timeless… collision means he can't :) Mar 17 12:49:49 with the preinstalled software? Mar 17 12:49:52 timeless_mbp: is it normal for the browser to - at certain special conditions - while loading a page - send the cpu usage flying - hence making the entire device very slow? Mar 17 12:49:58 microb, this is Mar 17 12:50:12 doesn't seem unreasonable Mar 17 12:50:16 timeless_mbp: :-D Mar 17 12:50:24 if it slows down the rest it's more likely to be ram Mar 17 12:50:31 uh, memory Mar 17 12:50:32 fwiw, i'm told that it's actually better to use as much cpu as possible for as little time as required Mar 17 12:50:36 instead of spreading it out Mar 17 12:50:48 timeless_mbp: fair enough Mar 17 12:50:56 but yeah, ShadowJK's probably right Mar 17 12:51:03 the system is probably swapping to death Mar 17 12:51:09 Sjk: Hmm could be... Mar 17 12:51:12 otherwise, the system in theory iiuc should be responsive Mar 17 12:51:31 yeah that'd make sense Mar 17 12:51:32 Oh, bottlenecks. Mar 17 12:51:43 * GeneralAntilles wishes for an ARM-based system without crippling bottlenecks. Mar 17 12:51:45 ok, I think that'd answer my question - thanks Mar 17 12:52:04 the phone should have been equipped with the flash equivalent of those good old HD activity leds Mar 17 12:52:13 yeah I've had some sites with 2megabytes of jabascript eat 100percent cpu and not noticed anything besides browser windows not doing much Mar 17 12:52:29 sjk: Uhuh... Mar 17 12:52:41 villager: HP removed those leds from their laptops when vista came Mar 17 12:52:45 Fingers crossed for some js engine improvements in PR1.2, I guess. Mar 17 12:52:59 atleast on the affordable ones.. Mar 17 12:53:36 * timeless_mbp prefers the hardware battery led's Mar 17 12:53:41 especially the ones on mbp's Mar 17 12:53:59 Who flips their computer over to check the battery? Mar 17 12:54:54 * ShadowJK still has no clue how this alleged automatic geotagging is supposed to work :-) Mar 17 12:55:20 hm, maybe I could try longtapping on random things :D Mar 17 12:55:21 GeneralAntilles: better than turning it on :) Mar 17 12:55:38 ShadowJK: got your n900 handy? Mar 17 12:55:46 yep Mar 17 12:55:49 is it on? Mar 17 12:55:57 yes Mar 17 12:56:09 is it keyguarded? Mar 17 12:56:15 (lock screen, whateer) Mar 17 12:56:19 s/ee/eve/ Mar 17 12:56:19 timeless_mbp meant: (lock screven, whateer) Mar 17 12:56:27 s/eer/ever/ Mar 17 12:56:28 timeless_mbp meant: (lock screen, whatever) Mar 17 12:56:31 I'm typing this text on it, so no Mar 17 12:56:37 press the camera button once Mar 17 12:56:48 open the lens cover Mar 17 12:56:54 tap the title area Mar 17 12:56:56 tap geotagging Mar 17 12:57:10 read the unbearably long and incomprehensible text Mar 17 12:57:16 check the check box Mar 17 12:57:22 tap the dismiss button Mar 17 12:57:35 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 17 12:57:37 the text is bad Mar 17 12:57:58 you should now see 2 flashing satellites Mar 17 12:57:58 timeless_mbp, who turns off their laptop? Mar 17 12:58:05 I read first 4 words and decided it was pointless gibberish :D Mar 17 12:58:05 Especially a make. Mar 17 12:58:08 erm Mar 17 12:58:11 s/make/Mac/ Mar 17 12:58:16 GeneralAntilles: i close the screen when i take it out of the office Mar 17 12:58:17 /muscle memory fail Mar 17 12:58:29 i drop enough other devices, i don't need to shatter my mac's screen Mar 17 12:58:29 timeless_mbp, sleep isn't off. :P Mar 17 12:58:34 sjk :D Mar 17 12:58:43 GeneralAntilles: waking it up from seep is still kinda silly Mar 17 12:59:05 timeless_mbp, OK, fair enough. ;) Mar 17 12:59:26 ShadowJK: after a while, the indicators should stop blinking Mar 17 12:59:40 at this point, you can press and hold the camera key for 2 seconds Mar 17 12:59:58 the bottom left corner should say something stupid like FINLAND, Helsinki Mar 17 13:00:15 you can then tap the price tag icon on the far right to open tags Mar 17 13:00:17 * noobmonk3y is back Mar 17 13:00:20 it should say at the bottom: Mar 17 13:00:21 Geotags Mar 17 13:00:25 Helsinki, FINLAND Mar 17 13:00:31 thanks, I get it now :) Mar 17 13:00:37 at which point you should shoot someone Mar 17 13:00:54 it actually made something useful I thought Mar 17 13:00:55 tapping that bottom button will open a dialog: Mar 17 13:01:04 Edit Geotags - Finland, Helsinki Mar 17 13:01:18 please note how it randomly swaps the country/region order Mar 17 13:01:28 and how FINLAND became Finland for no particular reason Mar 17 13:02:17 when your done, i suggest you trash your picture of a small portion of your macbookpro's screen, no one needs to see huge blury pixels Mar 17 13:02:25 oh second time it actually made different thing Mar 17 13:02:41 timeless_mbp: How about SUOMI? Mar 17 13:02:59 finnish doesn't include capital letters, ever ;-) Mar 17 13:03:11 * ShadowJK doesn't have phone set to .fi locale anyway Mar 17 13:03:18 some blog said the theremin application is multitouch Mar 17 13:03:22 timeless_mbp: It does - typically after about half a bottle of Kosken Mar 17 13:03:22 let's see if it's true Mar 17 13:03:28 installing... Mar 17 13:04:04 I have that installed Mar 17 13:04:10 in what way is it supposedly multitouch? Mar 17 13:04:24 I dunno Mar 17 13:04:30 oh it had actual satellite fix second time. first time must've been network positioning only :) Mar 17 13:04:31 maybe you can press two keys at the same time Mar 17 13:04:55 i think people assume it's multitouch because they dont know how resistive screens work Mar 17 13:05:13 if you touch two points on the theremin keyboard, the note you get is halfway between the two points Mar 17 13:05:39 touch one point still and move a second touch point and you get a sliding note scale halfway between the points you're touching+moving Mar 17 13:06:01 might be Mar 17 13:07:02 press and hold A = it plays A, press B at the same time it plays A#, drag finger from B to G# while still holding A, it plays from A# to D# Mar 17 13:08:07 Sounds exactly like the tech... Mar 17 13:08:16 just for the reference, the blog that says it's multitouch: http://mmfixed.com/ Mar 17 13:08:19 ooops Mar 17 13:08:20 sorry Mar 17 13:08:26 http://www.nokian900applications.com/theremin-for-nokia-n900/ --> that's the one Mar 17 13:08:41 pasted from the wrong X clipboard Mar 17 13:08:42 :) Mar 17 13:08:43 "with the possibility of pressing two notes at a time" Mar 17 13:08:45 = wrong Mar 17 13:09:06 theyre assuming because the note you get when you press two notes is different to either of them that its playing both at once Mar 17 13:09:20 heh Mar 17 13:09:21 when it's actually just playing the note thats physically halfway between the two on the keypad Mar 17 13:09:25 It will just give you the average point between both touches. Mar 17 13:09:45 well, some people are musically challenged :) Mar 17 13:09:50 ;] Mar 17 13:10:12 now what was i doing? Mar 17 13:10:15 other than starving Mar 17 13:10:18 * Jaffa grrs at strawman arguments being deployed in the council election already to create a "I'm your representative against *them*" split. Mar 17 13:10:56 jacekowski: which Them, in this case? Mar 17 13:11:05 Jaffa, who's surprised, though? Mar 17 13:11:42 GeneralAntilles: Oh, I'm not surprised. I just hope I don't come across as bullying the village idiot. Mar 17 13:12:07 Not, of course, that I'm suggesting my honourable opponents are, in any way, idiots. Or live in villages. Mar 17 13:12:23 Jaffa: but, "it takes a village" Mar 17 13:12:30 maybe they're children? :) Mar 17 13:12:34 But trying to construct a split that doesn't exist reeks of opportunism. Mar 17 13:13:05 I mean, *every* candidate started off on ITT/tmo before getting involved elsewhere and probably spends more time on TMO than any other single Maemo community medium. Mar 17 13:13:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village in case people missed the reference :) Mar 17 13:16:37 Talk is firmly in 3rd place these days behind IRC and the lists. Mar 17 13:16:45 Down to just the Community forum. Mar 17 13:18:10 Personally I've always avoided Talk like the plague. Mar 17 13:18:51 Us vs Them platforms really are the best. Mar 17 13:19:11 People are tribal animals. Mar 17 13:19:22 It's the kind of narrative they respond to. Mar 17 13:20:14 GeneralAntilles: I skim General, Apps, ... basically the on-topic ones. Mar 17 13:20:30 Jaffa, I can't help but read the troll threads there. Mar 17 13:20:30 GeneralAntilles: But checking talk counts as using it, and checking it and not contributing is a big time sink ;-) Mar 17 13:20:40 Which does nothing to help my sunny disposition. ;) Mar 17 13:28:23 hmm fricken omweather :S Mar 17 13:35:54 * Arif_ throws the weather at tybollt Mar 17 13:36:07 * timeless_mbp takes a minute to curse coverity's ui Mar 17 13:36:18 they stuck a delete button where the run button should have been Mar 17 13:36:34 oh Mar 17 13:36:40 do they have undo? Mar 17 13:36:44 you're using coverit on the microb codebase? Mar 17 13:36:47 coverity Mar 17 13:36:57 * tybollt o_O Mar 17 13:36:59 mgedmin: no Mar 17 13:37:02 but my browser has 'back' Mar 17 13:37:08 which thankfully worked Mar 17 13:37:25 tybollt: i have Mar 17 13:37:30 this is technically not the microb codebase Mar 17 13:37:36 and i'm only using it on gecko Mar 17 13:37:39 because "nothing else matters" Mar 17 13:37:44 (and everything else is a waste of time) Mar 17 13:38:17 Jaffa, (only a past candidate) I started first on the MLs, but spent more time at tmo :D Mar 17 13:38:20 timeless_mbp: well now... :) Mar 17 13:39:06 tybollt: the same was generally true when i was doing this for fremantle Mar 17 13:39:23 that it happened to eventually improve microb was a side effect Mar 17 13:40:20 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 17 13:40:27 i think i'm reviewing something i've already fixed Mar 17 13:42:18 may I change default user's password without any risk? Mar 17 13:42:35 * timeless_mbp ponders Mar 17 13:42:41 you are allowed to do anything you like Mar 17 13:42:49 but doing some things entails an element of risk Mar 17 13:42:49 really Mar 17 13:43:11 ok - I know this apparently Mar 17 13:43:19 i believe that you should ask 'can' Mar 17 13:43:22 instead of 'may' Mar 17 13:43:33 and i believe the answer is 'no' Mar 17 13:43:42 it's also stupid Mar 17 13:43:45 VDVsx: You don't count anymore. Old news ;-) Mar 17 13:44:01 it's definitely *MUST* to do believe in something Mar 17 13:44:02 if you don't want people to be able to log in as user, then configure ssh so that it doesn't allow log ins Mar 17 13:45:10 I want me to login Mar 17 13:45:57 so once again Mar 17 13:46:02 can I change default user's password without any risk? Mar 17 13:46:04 :) Mar 17 13:46:11 it won't do what you want Mar 17 13:46:23 you risk being disappointed Mar 17 13:46:23 so 'no' Mar 17 13:47:08 there isn't a gdm lying around just waiting to ask for your password in the incredibly unlikely event that you want to require a password Mar 17 13:47:14 however, you can set a device lock code Mar 17 13:47:16 and rely on that Mar 17 13:47:26 what I want is to protect my ssh without any complexity for forexample wordattacks Mar 17 13:47:34 s/ssh/sshd Mar 17 13:47:52 I don't know the default user's password Mar 17 13:48:03 seems my location widget doesn't update because of my phone operator :/ Mar 17 13:48:08 iirc ssh doesn't allow logins using password auth when there isn't a password set Mar 17 13:48:12 and there isn't one set for user Mar 17 13:48:13 iirc Mar 17 13:48:20 there's a password for root Mar 17 13:48:24 set a root pw Mar 17 13:48:27 but installing sshd should force you to change it Mar 17 13:48:32 and you're fine Mar 17 13:48:45 setup an ssh key file for root and disable password logins Mar 17 13:48:52 all of this is doable w/o wasting time asking about passwords Mar 17 13:48:59 are you sure sure that there is no password set for user? Mar 17 13:49:00 :) Mar 17 13:49:01 (or trying to break the system) Mar 17 13:50:43 ok - lemme change the user's password :} Mar 17 13:51:13 go go power ranger. Mar 17 13:52:20 but before it lemme check the forum ... Mar 17 13:52:22 :)) Mar 17 13:52:33 * timeless_mbp hates users Mar 17 13:52:41 they're all idiots Mar 17 13:52:50 fair enough I hate you too timeless_mbp Mar 17 13:52:53 why do they bother asking questions if they'll go off and do the thing anyway Mar 17 13:53:00 developer rakastan! Mar 17 13:53:03 hah Mar 17 13:53:15 ;) Mar 17 13:53:31 timeless_mbp: I think you should come down dude Mar 17 13:53:41 supertramp: 'come' as in have sex? Mar 17 13:53:46 supertramp: "calm down"? :) Mar 17 13:53:48 because you probably meant 'calm' Mar 17 13:53:56 timeless_mbp++ Mar 17 13:54:00 yes Mar 17 13:54:10 * timeless_mbp would need to get married first Mar 17 13:54:11 calm down Mar 17 13:54:13 sudo sudo apt-get* <=- lol Mar 17 13:54:14 which involves finding a wife Mar 17 13:54:18 so much pressure Mar 17 13:54:22 although perhaps you meant timeless_mbp should come down from his high horses? :) Mar 17 13:54:45 tybollt: one high horse isn't enough, i have to have a stable full? Mar 17 13:55:12 at a very least a stable full worth of. Mar 17 13:55:28 * tybollt is a bit grumpy - writing change request is not TEH FUNNEH Mar 17 13:55:36 tybollt: thanks :) Mar 17 13:55:36 requests... Mar 17 13:58:13 Could not acquire a shared read lock on the database. Maintenance may be in progress. Mar 17 13:58:15 oh that's helpful Mar 17 13:59:06 ok - there is none Mar 17 13:59:23 you mean i didn't lie to you? i'm shocked Mar 17 13:59:47 timeless_mbp: for how long are you working with maemo? Mar 17 13:59:55 4 years Mar 17 13:59:58 timeless_mbp: me about 8 - 9 hour Mar 17 13:59:59 s Mar 17 14:00:20 so, typically it isn't nice to go to a place, ask a question, get an answer, and then actively indicate your intent to ignore the answer you just asked for Mar 17 14:00:30 it's in fact, incredibly rude Mar 17 14:00:50 now, if you paid me for advice, and then chose to ignore it, at least, i'd feel like a proper prostitute Mar 17 14:01:03 but you didn't pay Mar 17 14:01:15 (with apologies to prostitutes) Mar 17 14:01:32 awww Mar 17 14:01:41 * tybollt hands timeless_mbp a pink pwny Mar 17 14:01:58 * noobmonk3y burps Mar 17 14:01:59 with nice lace or satin? Mar 17 14:02:43 :) Mar 17 14:04:56 Jaffa, :´´) Mar 17 14:05:26 * VDVsx buys tickets to vegas with the council money Mar 17 14:08:25 VDVsx: The next council better get the scroll back in one piece. Mar 17 14:08:42 lol Mar 17 14:21:39 Jaffa, you might not want it back if the rumours of its "misuse" are to be believed Mar 17 14:22:00 and frankly, i dont know how so many of them managed it without at least sustaining serious paper cuts Mar 17 14:23:55 hey guys, anyone know if there is a desktop widget to handle panucci audio book player? Mar 17 14:25:10 * noobmonk3y burps Mar 17 14:25:50 * Arif_ sneezes Mar 17 14:26:40 lcuk: That's an image I didn't want. Mar 17 14:28:59 Jaffa, well they thought you were done with it Mar 17 14:29:10 they will wipe it clean before returning it Mar 17 14:29:21 that is why you laminated them isnt it? Mar 17 14:30:08 oooooooooo, i may lose connection. on the train to grand central Mar 17 14:30:29 riding through the bronx i think Mar 17 14:34:09 Wow, this time, my SDK actually displays things properly. Mar 17 14:34:23 word. Mar 17 14:34:45 Although, quite a few things are missing. Mar 17 14:34:57 How can I make sure that my SDK isn't missing any packages? Mar 17 14:35:46 DocScrutinizer, any advice? Mar 17 14:36:21 not ata all, TigerTael Mar 17 14:36:26 :{ Mar 17 14:36:36 Seriously, how can I make sure I'm not missing any packages? Mar 17 14:37:16 by installing them all? Mar 17 14:37:58 Arif_: = legend... tis true Mar 17 14:37:58 missing at what? Mar 17 14:38:19 * noobmonk3y throws packages at Arif_ Mar 17 14:38:24 * Arif_ opens them =D Mar 17 14:38:31 * noobmonk3y thinks it may be snowing Mar 17 14:38:39 they're all empty Mar 17 14:38:40 ={ Mar 17 14:38:43 w000000p Mar 17 14:38:52 * Arif_ burries noobmonk3y in empty packaging Mar 17 14:38:52 trust me to get dudd packages Mar 17 14:38:57 ooo you saucey minx Mar 17 14:39:02 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk Mar 17 14:39:15 snow? getting used to that, we've had snow for three months now. Mar 17 14:39:35 previous years, we've hardly gotten a week or two in a row. Mar 17 14:40:16 rain ftl Mar 17 14:42:14 how application i can use to take a screenshot at n900? Ctrl + Shift + P i know. Mar 17 14:43:23 FlavioFerreiraBR: ? if you know why do you need to ask? Mar 17 14:43:43 o...k Mar 17 14:43:53 some people are weird :P Mar 17 14:44:05 yup.... i know, i apologise for lcuk's weirdness Mar 17 14:44:26 bacause this way is bad for me. Mar 17 14:45:40 There is a system tray application (CPUMEM? maybe) that does it from the system tray Mar 17 14:46:03 yeah...it's hard to press ctrl + shift + p Mar 17 14:46:04 ;( Mar 17 14:46:12 arif - it is with no fingers ;) Mar 17 14:46:19 at n810 i used the camera key Mar 17 14:46:24 or with the keyboard closed! Mar 17 14:46:30 i had big fingers Mar 17 14:46:47 it's impossible to make a screenshot of the virtual keyboard for example Mar 17 14:46:49 =( Mar 17 14:47:33 FlavioFerreiraBR: just trying to find the name for you Mar 17 14:48:04 FlavioFerreiraBR: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/load-applet/ Mar 17 14:48:30 i have installed Mar 17 14:48:38 but i dont can configure Mar 17 14:48:48 Click your status bar Mar 17 14:48:54 there is a picture of a camera Mar 17 14:49:00 Press it Mar 17 14:49:06 i know Mar 17 14:49:11 :D Mar 17 14:49:23 you do know alot for someone who doesnt know what he wants ;) Mar 17 14:49:50 my application running in fullscreen mode Mar 17 14:49:59 how i take screenshot ? Mar 17 14:50:09 take a different phone with camera Mar 17 14:50:12 in the past with n810 i used the camera key Mar 17 14:50:13 and take a pciture of the N900 Mar 17 14:50:15 well you have 20 seconds on that tool - open it, load your app, take a screenie? Mar 17 14:50:32 use a camera? Mar 17 14:50:37 :D Mar 17 14:50:51 connect the TV out to a video in Mar 17 14:50:54 and record it Mar 17 14:50:55 :D Mar 17 14:51:30 so many options =} Mar 17 14:51:48 thanks Mar 17 14:51:51 for all Mar 17 14:52:05 i will try a new application Mar 17 14:54:52 * noobmonk3y farts Mar 17 14:56:05 (Timed that just as dneary came in..... lol) :D Mar 17 14:56:17 hehe Mar 17 14:57:21 oh the joys... i eally should be working.... but it feels like a friday Mar 17 14:57:25 really* Mar 17 14:58:49 thats because St Patrik's day always feels like a Friday Mar 17 15:01:27 lol Mar 17 15:01:30 paddys day today? Mar 17 15:02:23 I'll tell you tomorrow ! now get back to work Mar 17 15:02:51 * noobmonk3y goes back to work :( Mar 17 15:04:58 Yeah, Paddy's Day will be a dry day for me this year Mar 17 15:06:03 Testing IRC highlighting. Can someone ask a question preceded by "QUESTION:" please? Mar 17 15:06:10 QUESTION: Why? Mar 17 15:06:33 ANSWER: STFU Mar 17 15:06:59 Shadikka_, I'm testing custom highlighting in X-Chat to try to convince qgil that it's possible to follow just the questions coming from a chatty channel Mar 17 15:07:11 I see :P Mar 17 15:07:21 Shadikka, I have set "QUESTION:" as a custom highlighted phrase in XChat Mar 17 15:07:32 that probably works better with nick highlighting turned off Mar 17 15:07:37 QUESTION: can haz forum nao? Mar 17 15:07:42 /hilight -regexp QUESTION:.*?\? Mar 17 15:07:43 mgedmin, It might do Mar 17 15:07:45 irssi is phun Mar 17 15:08:31 Shadikka, Edit->Preferences, IRC preferences/Highlighting Mar 17 15:08:52 Maybe I'm a bit oldschool, but I prefer non-GUI stuff for a lot of things Mar 17 15:09:07 dneary: Just highlighting on a questionmark would probably enough. Mar 17 15:09:38 X-Fade, If the concern is not being able to follow both forums, then that would give too many false positives Mar 17 15:10:08 dneary: Yes, but at least it doesn't force the user to change behavior. Mar 17 15:10:14 aaah false positives... Mar 17 15:10:19 * noobmonk3y giggles... dneary is trying to prove something to qgil lol... will take you a while Mar 17 15:10:22 * noobmonk3y goes back to work Mar 17 15:10:42 X-Fade, The point is to force users to change their behaviour to signal explicitly when they are asking a question for the main meeting & not for the back-channel Mar 17 15:10:44 those little diddly ones that gets you call outs three in the morning for ... notta... I LOVE YOU false positives... Mar 17 15:10:54 Mar 17 15:10:59 noobmonk3y, Why do you say that? Mar 17 15:11:03 dneary: Isn't that what meeting bots are for? Mar 17 15:11:41 never seen him on irc :D - allthough granted i have only been on here for 2 months Mar 17 15:11:45 X-Fade, That might be sufficient if every question asked on the back-channel got asked in the main meeting, but that's not the goal either Mar 17 15:11:49 X-Fade: good point Mar 17 15:12:12 noobmonk3y, It's good that you recognise that you haven't been around for long Mar 17 15:12:16 :D Mar 17 15:12:19 I r Newbie :D Mar 17 15:12:23 dneary: http://meego.mkdir.name/logs/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-02-24-20.04.html Mar 17 15:12:26 anyone tried to encrypt the data partition? Mar 17 15:12:44 dneary: That was generated out of the last meego meeting automagically. Mar 17 15:12:47 * noobmonk3y throws newbies at Arif_ Mar 17 15:13:20 X-Fade, I was there Mar 17 15:13:32 The meeting was very frustrating Mar 17 15:13:59 Hehe, try a conference call with 20 people ;) Mar 17 15:13:59 X-Fade, And not at all the same thing as the online TSG meeting on Friday Mar 17 15:14:25 X-Fade, I used to chair conference calls with 15 people, and I think I did OK Mar 17 15:14:51 X-Fade, The secret is having a good agenda Mar 17 15:15:18 And establishing good flow Mar 17 15:15:21 The secret is announcing the meeting in the first place ;) Mar 17 15:15:47 dneary: helluva kick to be the one w/ the mute-button, innit? :) Mar 17 15:16:07 you! Mar 17 15:16:32 "as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. " Mar 17 15:16:47 >:) Mar 17 15:18:40 dneary: I fail on setting regex for xchat highlight. Any hints? Mar 17 15:19:42 dneary: a working example highly appreciated Mar 17 15:19:52 DocScrutinizer: I didn't try a regex Mar 17 15:20:04 I just added "QUESTION:" as a highlight phrase Mar 17 15:20:05 I C :-/ Mar 17 15:21:59 Does anyone use Nokia Messaging with folders? Mar 17 15:39:38 Maemo + Maemo = ? Mar 17 15:40:00 how was bugday guys? Mar 17 15:40:09 FullPolarFox: drunk chix wrestling in corn pudding? Mar 17 15:42:19 tybollt Really? Do you have a pictures? Mar 17 15:44:23 damn, can't change themes, oh well, I'm not reflashing for that Mar 17 15:45:00 MohammadAG: O_o pr out? Mar 17 15:45:15 tybollt, err? Mar 17 15:46:12 why reflash? Mar 17 15:46:17 is there a new pr out? :) Mar 17 15:46:28 can't change my theme :) Mar 17 15:46:35 didn't mention any new update lol Mar 17 15:47:21 wishlist: the N900's unlock screen ought to show battery info, not just time Mar 17 15:47:24 tybollt, any idea what's the command to open the themes applet/app? Mar 17 15:48:09 huh? that' Mar 17 15:48:13 s in settings??? Mar 17 15:48:30 tybollt, clicking it doesn't do anything Mar 17 15:48:42 neither does the one on hildon-home (the gears thing) Mar 17 15:49:34 MohammadAG: -> reboot Mar 17 15:50:12 tybollt, oh for real? :P Mar 17 15:50:53 tybollt, I haven't been able to change themes for a while, reflashed, got rid of the problem, got bored of a short menu so I restored my apps :P Mar 17 15:52:04 MohammadAG: ugh, that's... bad :-| Mar 17 15:52:45 hum ... ubuntu one notes sync is down :è Mar 17 15:52:56 nice, Qt 4.7 TP packages for maemo5 released Mar 17 15:53:05 Khertan: that's what you get for relying on the cloud Mar 17 15:53:08 speedup nokia, speedup... Mar 17 15:53:18 Corsac: yes of course ... Mar 17 15:53:32 Corsac: but as i just update the new conboy version Mar 17 15:53:47 the first time i think it was a new bug in conboy :) Mar 17 15:53:59 tybollt, it's not that bad, it's just a theme Mar 17 15:54:08 just tried a hildon-theme-cache Mar 17 15:54:11 didn't work :/ Mar 17 15:55:02 Khertan: you are conboy developer? Mar 17 15:55:09 nope Mar 17 15:55:14 just an user :) Mar 17 15:55:18 which like it :) Mar 17 15:55:18 ah ok Mar 17 15:55:23 I like it too Mar 17 15:55:44 anyway i ve style my developpment version of mNotes Mar 17 15:55:46 tybollt, can you check something for me? Mar 17 15:55:50 which is a clone of conboy Mar 17 15:55:57 with an sync :) Mar 17 15:56:21 but i didn't see any interest to release a clone ... Mar 17 15:56:44 is this a full list of the (default) files in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel? http://pastebin.com/Z4ef228N Mar 17 15:56:47 it was just a turn arround for the time when the conboy sync wasn't implement Mar 17 15:56:48 MohammadAG: sure Mar 17 15:57:03 let me Mar 17 16:03:24 tybollt, actually nevermind, found out the app needed but I'm not sure what's wrong Mar 17 16:03:41 MohammadAG: you seem to have more entries in there than me so :D Mar 17 16:03:48 it's "personlisation_app", it should open the themes area Mar 17 16:04:15 tybollt, could be the LED pattern editor and some installed apps :) Mar 17 16:04:27 oh the Last.fm scrobbler and subtitles support Mar 17 16:04:43 though to be honest I've never used any Mar 17 16:05:07 tybollt, what does personalisation_app do on your N900? Mar 17 16:10:41 asdf people! What is up? Mar 17 16:12:37 wtf did I forget to put on deodorant or what? People are bailing like I'm the plague :P Mar 17 16:12:46 haha Mar 17 16:12:52 probably getting lunch Mar 17 16:13:05 thats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it :D Mar 17 16:14:36 Happy St Patrick's Day all Mar 17 16:16:45 * SpeedEvil celebrates St Patrick's day. Mar 17 16:16:53 Anyone know how long you can leave the N900's flash LEDs on before they need to cool? Mar 17 16:16:54 hmm Mar 17 16:16:57 * SpeedEvil gets the rest of the meal cooking to go with the green cabbage. Mar 17 16:17:16 Wild_Doogy: Speaking from a theoretical POV - 10s should be fine. Mar 17 16:17:18 SpeedEvil: oh Mar 17 16:17:21 * SpeedEvil sighs Mar 17 16:17:27 * SpeedEvil is confused! Mar 17 16:17:33 Must be too much cabbage. Mar 17 16:17:35 Anyway. Mar 17 16:17:45 no Mar 17 16:17:49 the LEDs - in flashlight - not flash - mode - can be left on forever. Mar 17 16:17:50 SpeedEvil, perhaps some alcohol would clarify the situation? Mar 17 16:17:52 cabbage excess leads to gas excess Mar 17 16:17:55 St Patrick was English btw..... Mar 17 16:18:26 I have done some simple testing to confirm this with a luxmeter. Mar 17 16:18:33 After 1h - they are as bright as after 1 min Mar 17 16:18:47 SpeedEvil: oh good, cause I like to use them while working on projects as a lamp Mar 17 16:18:51 is there a emulator/vm environment that'll simulate n810? Mar 17 16:18:53 thiers so nice and bright :-D Mar 17 16:19:02 Wild_Doogy: they are. Mar 17 16:19:09 SpeedEvil, that's pretty cool. Mar 17 16:19:34 Is there a working flashlight application in the repos? Mar 17 16:19:48 the one that's there works Mar 17 16:19:51 for me Mar 17 16:20:00 it's annoying because of kernel and UI breakage. Mar 17 16:20:15 I have one installed, but it might be from extras Mar 17 16:20:19 The flashlight is a twiddle on the video4linux capture driver. Mar 17 16:20:37 so you can't turn it on without opening the capture driver - which breaks stuff. Mar 17 16:21:20 the right - well - apart from integrating into camera - way to do this is to simply do another driver for just the LEDs, and then have the camera driver know it might not be the only one in control Mar 17 16:21:28 *** wishes that you didnt have to open the slider, wait for camera, close camera, open menu, to0 turn the flashlight on Mar 17 16:21:48 wow: 5031846 dowloads at maemo.org :D Mar 17 16:21:50 what to select for lockscreen here: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Maemo Official Platform Mar 17 16:21:51 Then it's just a matter of drilling a couple of holes in the cover, and plugging them with appropriate plastic Mar 17 16:22:23 well extras is one of the repos I mentioned.. Mar 17 16:22:31 what is it called? Mar 17 16:22:34 Wild_Doogy: Remove the lens cover and glue the magnet to the contact ;) Mar 17 16:22:37 'flashlight' Mar 17 16:22:49 SpeedEvil, wow. Who knew? Mar 17 16:23:10 X-Fade: so it thinks that the slider is always open? Mar 17 16:23:25 that sounds like a good idea that doesnt break things..... Mar 17 16:23:44 Wild_Doogy: Well, your mileage may vary. Mar 17 16:24:02 haha Mar 17 16:24:13 looking at it now Mar 17 16:24:40 anyone have a good idea how to strip alpha channel from a gdk.pixbuf? Mar 17 16:24:46 lens = dirty Mar 17 16:25:36 *** wishes that you didnt have to open the slider, wait for camera, close camera, open menu, to0 turn the flashlight on Mar 17 16:25:43 kill the camera-ui! :p Mar 17 16:26:01 bye Mar 17 16:26:04 X-Fade: cma slider isn't magnet, it's IR-relective sensor Mar 17 16:26:20 WTF? camera* Mar 17 16:26:31 DocScrutinizer: Ah, right. The black/white strip. Mar 17 16:27:15 DocScrutinizer: I just noticed that..... Mar 17 16:27:21 DocScrutinizer, question, doesn't that take more battery? Mar 17 16:27:55 MohammadAG: in theory yes. In practice it seems to be some uA avrg Mar 17 16:27:57 MohammadAG: Kill the camera as in make it not autostart when the slider is opened? Mar 17 16:28:07 Wild_Doogy, yes Mar 17 16:28:26 MohammadAG: seems that doesn't help much Mar 17 16:28:38 DocScrutinizer, ah so it's a mater of 5 secs or so from the battery Mar 17 16:28:39 I looked into that, but I couldnt find the file I needed to kill Mar 17 16:28:40 DocScrutinizer, why? Mar 17 16:28:47 camera-ui Mar 17 16:29:26 omap3-camerad and cameraUI are autostarted aiui Mar 17 16:29:58 you also need to fiddle with mce and dsme Mar 17 16:30:11 (wild guessing) Mar 17 16:32:38 DocScrutinizer, dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui Mar 17 16:32:42 works for me :) Mar 17 16:33:06 DocScrutinizer, set it to autostart and there you have it :) Mar 17 16:33:44 "Let me put it this way, my kids saw the movie, and my kids know I'm a miner, and they didn't say anything to me," said Peter Kukielski, head of mining operations for ArcelorMittal, the world's largest steelmaker. "They didn't say a thing, and they loved the movie. They saw it twice," he told the Reuters Global Mining and Steel Summit in New York this week. Mar 17 16:34:32 RST38h, huh? Mar 17 16:34:42 mece: his kids saw Avatar =) Mar 17 16:34:48 * RST38h cackles Mar 17 16:34:54 well, I just repeat my suggestion to replace the camera-ui popup on slider-open by a menu with a slider for torch brightness (while immediately activating the LEDs on selected brightness) plus 2 buttons to start still-cam and video-cam Mar 17 16:34:55 oh.. righty. Mar 17 16:35:04 well very little mining in that movie. Mar 17 16:35:24 mece: Plenty of executives though, I assume? Mar 17 16:35:50 DocS: Probably impossible or very difficult given that this part is proprietary Mar 17 16:35:51 RST38h, haha yeas. Eebil corporate execs! Mar 17 16:37:23 DocScrutinizer, or that, it is better than 'killing' the UI since it requires 5 seconds to start loading the UI Mar 17 16:37:36 * DocScrutinizer always thought the lack of a prominent place to select video vs still is a usability flaw anyway Mar 17 16:38:16 DocScrutinizer: Brilliant idea, I have been trying to get that to work for a while. Mar 17 16:38:24 but I dont know where to start .... Mar 17 16:38:45 other apps like barcode reader etc might link in to that menu popping up on camslider-open Mar 17 16:39:54 It might be able to use the same framework as all the the other menus such as the notification menu Mar 17 16:40:16 Wild_Doogy: well, I'm pretty lost on where to start with this, as well Mar 17 16:41:37 is there any way to find out what commands get activated on -shutter slide-? Mar 17 16:42:09 * DocScrutinizer points to mce Mar 17 16:42:18 >:-( Mar 17 16:42:30 -googles MCE- Mar 17 16:42:50 s/google/ps x/ Mar 17 16:43:18 machine control entity, probably Mar 17 16:43:36 ah Mar 17 16:43:52 I see that the notification LED is controlled from mce.ini Mar 17 16:44:00 yes Mar 17 16:44:12 not camslider though >:-(( Mar 17 16:44:20 where is this mystical mce.ini ? Mar 17 16:44:30 /etc ? Mar 17 16:44:48 I assume you have already looked through it? Mar 17 16:44:53 sure Mar 17 16:44:54 -looks anyway- Mar 17 16:44:59 :-D Mar 17 16:45:24 its fun poking around in random files Mar 17 16:45:55 * DocScrutinizer ponders poking around randomly in mce binary :-P Mar 17 16:46:51 -wonders how to do the triple star thing, and cowers at the thought of poking around in binary.- Mar 17 16:46:56 * DocScrutinizer cursing messybox based system, for lack of basic things like 'strings' Mar 17 16:47:19 is that why its called "messybox" ?? Mar 17 16:47:28 DocScrutinizer: or simply if phone pointing down when slider opened - start torch Mar 17 16:47:46 (with a large button to really start camera) Mar 17 16:47:47 SpeedEvil: also a nice idea Mar 17 16:48:10 Wild_Doogy, What triple star thing? You mean "/me does this and that"? Mar 17 16:48:17 just make that TWO buttons: stillcam and videocam Mar 17 16:48:40 yes the /me does thing Mar 17 16:48:59 * mece uses /me to emote :) Mar 17 16:49:20 the camera app fails to open when the flaslight has control Mar 17 16:49:24 ......... Mar 17 16:49:43 a can of worms Mar 17 16:50:01 the system architecture is mere BS Mar 17 16:50:13 heh Mar 17 16:50:37 Nokia never thought of having any other app taking control of the cam thing Mar 17 16:50:49 obviously Mar 17 16:50:58 damn where are the fucking manpages :) Mar 17 16:50:58 ......... Mar 17 16:51:06 YEAH Mar 17 16:51:15 * VDVsx begs for a rumors&speculation sub-fora at tmo Mar 17 16:51:19 where's the friggin mandb package Mar 17 16:51:40 are nokia apps open source? Mar 17 16:51:48 no Mar 17 16:51:52 hell no Mar 17 16:51:53 generally not Mar 17 16:51:59 that's the crux Mar 17 16:52:02 :) Mar 17 16:52:08 lol Mar 17 16:52:18 that makes lots of sence >_> Mar 17 16:53:17 man pages and chm reader Mar 17 16:53:34 no source, no specs, no manpages, no dbus introspection... Mar 17 16:53:40 I *hate* newbies Mar 17 16:54:57 * DocScrutinizer shoves a waggonload of *.chm down supertramp's throat Mar 17 16:55:00 I hope I have enough knowlege that you dont 'hate' me, I could settle for 'smoldering dislike' Mar 17 16:56:23 Did you apply the Turing test to Wild_Doogy BTW? Mar 17 16:57:04 'Cause if it fails the Turing test, the Geneva Convention does not apply to it =) Mar 17 16:58:50 Harr Harr...... Mar 17 16:59:54 * DocScrutinizer smells the #maemo standard hostile mood getting momentum, and waves Mar 17 17:03:18 ha - fbreader Mar 17 17:04:36 DocScrutinizer: ? Mar 17 17:04:59 DocScrutinizer: I think the hostility is all comming from the meego fanboi/astroturfer bunch... (IMHO) Mar 17 17:16:29 tmo down? Mar 17 17:17:21 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Mar 17 17:17:29 It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. Mar 17 17:17:29 Check another site? Mar 17 17:17:51 Nice site! Mar 17 17:18:26 i'll stick to alertra. :P Mar 17 17:19:03 up for me Mar 17 17:19:40 satmd: BS :) Mar 17 17:20:16 seems up for me as well Mar 17 17:20:40 (tmo is working fine for me as well btw) Mar 17 17:21:28 Hello again ! Mar 17 17:21:46 hrrm Mar 17 17:21:53 tmo might've come back up then Mar 17 17:22:24 DocScrutinizer, where do you shove me? Mar 17 17:22:27 i'm trying made theme in pygtkeditor but i ve a little probleme with the color of the textview border Mar 17 17:22:34 i didn t found a way to set it Mar 17 17:22:51 does it can be set ? Mar 17 17:23:00 i dont spose anyone has ported Mono to Maemo yet? :) Mar 17 17:23:32 http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo ? Mar 17 17:23:32 i ve tryed to set base color, bg, fg ... on window, pannablearea, and textview Mar 17 17:23:38 but without any success Mar 17 17:23:54 any other idea ? Mar 17 17:24:28 it seems to be specific to the hildon textview Mar 17 17:24:38 nidO: ok, i love you Mar 17 17:25:03 ~ping Mar 17 17:25:05 ~pong Mar 17 17:26:05 ok noone know Mar 17 17:32:45 is it possible to mount the flash partition where the kernel is located to update it on the device ? Mar 17 17:32:59 is it possible to mount the flash partition where the kernel is located to update it on the n900 device ? Mar 17 17:33:18 someone know an other http/irc client that work on freenode ? Mar 17 17:33:26 mibbit is black listed Mar 17 17:33:29 cpasjuste: nope. Mar 17 17:33:33 aep :x Mar 17 17:33:44 else is there a tool to flash it from the device ? Mar 17 17:34:01 and the default webchat on freenode is unstable Mar 17 17:34:20 the kernel can be updated OTA cpasjuste Mar 17 17:34:23 hum i found kernel-flasher Mar 17 17:34:26 XChat Khertan? Mar 17 17:34:42 or PJIRC Mar 17 17:34:51 ther is also http://java.freenode.net/ Mar 17 17:34:58 (which differs from webchat.freenode) Mar 17 17:35:00 something that works throught port 80 Mar 17 17:35:11 a vpn does :P Mar 17 17:35:24 everythings else than http or https is blolcked by my phone isp Mar 17 17:35:37 aep : nope vpn is blocked too now Mar 17 17:35:39 sucky isp :< Mar 17 17:35:42 ew Mar 17 17:35:47 yep Mar 17 17:35:48 sfr Mar 17 17:35:55 well vpn works through port80 Mar 17 17:36:01 nope Mar 17 17:36:03 can even pierce a stateful firewall, if you have to Mar 17 17:36:40 :( Mar 17 17:37:00 the proxy analyse things and block it Mar 17 17:37:30 yeah. typical. can be worked around though Mar 17 17:37:50 * cehteh has openvpn on tcp/443 :) Mar 17 17:38:17 aep ... i ve tryed ... but as they corrupt data randomly Mar 17 17:38:22 it s a bit diffucult Mar 17 17:38:35 openvpn can tunnel through http/https that would even cheat firewalls which do packet inspection Mar 17 17:38:36 openvpn has a couple of tools Mar 17 17:38:39 sounds awfully national-socialist Mar 17 17:38:48 http://java.freenode.net/ doesn t work on n900 of course Mar 17 17:39:20 cehteh : yep but they seems to have a great packet inspection Mar 17 17:39:23 you need to have control over a server though to use most of the firewall workarounds Mar 17 17:39:43 aep : yep i know Mar 17 17:39:47 if https is allowed you can always find a way through Mar 17 17:40:13 although... get a different isp? Mar 17 17:40:16 aep : yep install my own web2irc php server Mar 17 17:40:17 :) Mar 17 17:40:23 that'll do Mar 17 17:40:57 SUDO make me a sandwich Mar 17 17:41:08 aep : ... it a bit all the same ... or be prepared to paid 89Euros by month for a 3G unlimited (limited to 1Go by month) Mar 17 17:41:35 yep they call all their data plan unlimited ... Mar 17 17:41:41 Khertan: my isp has two dialin servers btw. one of them is unfiltered Mar 17 17:41:44 but they all limit it Mar 17 17:42:06 aep: me too ... the unfiltered one cost 1Euro by Mo Mar 17 17:42:11 i have unlimited, where 200mb is free and the rest is unlimited expensive :D Mar 17 17:42:53 :) Mar 17 17:43:02 3g remains ripof. best find open wifi Mar 17 17:43:05 * cehteh has cheap prepaid and can do anything Mar 17 17:43:13 phone isp sucks in france Mar 17 17:43:30 aep ... a bit difficult in the train anyway :) Mar 17 17:43:42 uhm i am close to the french border .. i didnt checked what data roaming costs Mar 17 17:43:45 naw Mar 17 17:43:52 open wifi doesn't really exist anymore Mar 17 17:43:57 better just use 3G Mar 17 17:44:01 3G++ Mar 17 17:44:20 openvpn over dns tunnel :) Mar 17 17:44:33 * cehteh has to play with that someday Mar 17 17:44:36 open wifi? tunnel over dns or accidentally crack wep :) Mar 17 17:44:40 I always have web Mar 17 17:44:42 cehteh the last record made by a orange users is 50 000 Euros in one week Mar 17 17:44:43 cehteh: openvpn over icmp? :-o Mar 17 17:44:47 cheap data roaming Mar 17 17:44:53 Khertan: I pay 55€ I think Mar 17 17:44:56 :) Mar 17 17:45:04 icmp, at least in some parts is often blocked, but dns not Mar 17 17:45:17 (and it'll be less once I have right to lower my voice plan) Mar 17 17:45:24 i think i paied less than 20€ since december :P Mar 17 17:45:31 cehteh, do you use iodine? Mar 17 17:45:53 Corsac ? with a french isp data plan ? Mar 17 17:46:00 hum icmp is block too :) Mar 17 17:46:03 huhu Mar 17 17:46:11 C-S-B: i used it once, but a friend told me that there is a tool which opens a tunnel for only one tcp connection which is way more reliable, i'll try that next time Mar 17 17:46:27 tybollt: there is enough "open" wifi Mar 17 17:46:41 if you can ssh or openvpn through it you are done anyways Mar 17 17:46:44 huhuh? Mar 17 17:46:48 cehteh, whats that tool? Mar 17 17:46:49 ~ping Mar 17 17:46:50 ~pong Mar 17 17:46:54 windows phone 7 w/out cut'n'paste? Mar 17 17:47:03 what the hell were those asshats thinking? Mar 17 17:47:07 Khertan: orange yes Mar 17 17:47:14 tybollt: about apple patents? Mar 17 17:47:14 C-S-B: dunno have to search iirc it has such a simple intuitive name like 'dnstunnel' :) Mar 17 17:47:16 tybollt: prevent piracy where you can. Mar 17 17:47:17 Khertan: origami star plus or something like that Mar 17 17:47:18 cehteh, you mean straight forward root@host -p 53 Mar 17 17:47:42 "windows phone 7 without cut'n'paste" or "really early preview that doesnt have that feature yet"? Mar 17 17:47:49 dunno i didnt looked at it yet Mar 17 17:47:58 aep: no in Stockholm/Sweden there are virtually no open wifis anymore Mar 17 17:48:15 you didnt get the hint. "open" Mar 17 17:48:16 Too many people use WEP. I dont see the point. Mar 17 17:48:18 neither in my neighborhood, guess why :> Mar 17 17:48:23 thresh: Gawk... apple owns "cut'n'paste"? :D Mar 17 17:48:37 aep: meh :) Mar 17 17:49:02 * cehteh thinks about opening his wlan ... but ssh only Mar 17 17:49:12 who knows how to use it deserves it :) Mar 17 17:50:40 * Arif_ haxes cehteh's internet Mar 17 17:50:52 hehe Mar 17 17:52:22 not sure how quick cracking a typical wep is Mar 17 17:52:34 but WPA, that's still a lot of time, innit? Mar 17 17:52:35 between fuck all and not long Mar 17 17:52:39 wpa takes longer Mar 17 17:53:04 wep is matter of a minute Mar 17 17:53:33 * Arif_ gets his backtrack usb stick Mar 17 17:53:55 tbh it's about time devices started shipping with no wep support Mar 17 17:54:09 what about no security by default Mar 17 17:54:09 :D Mar 17 17:54:23 well, thats what shipping with wep by default is Mar 17 17:54:25 web is enough to be safe on the legally side here Mar 17 17:54:56 if someone cracks it and does something bad he is responsible ... if you have a open wlan then you are responsible for anything people do over it Mar 17 17:55:30 The Nintondo DS doesn't support WPA Mar 17 17:55:31 :D Mar 17 17:55:39 thats a strange take on law, but it can also sting you the other way round Mar 17 17:56:15 yeah Mar 17 17:56:36 most judges know as much about IT security as the bag of crisps I just ate, here at least if your router's "secured" with wep and your connection's used illegally, theyll just believe you did it as the router's "secure" Mar 17 17:56:41 but then it's pretty widely known that Nintendo only support on their current HW what others supported five years ago Mar 17 17:57:07 if it wasn't for the absolutely BRILLIANT story tellers are nintendo they'd be bankrupt olready :) Mar 17 17:58:03 yeah Mar 17 17:58:07 Mario has a great storyline Mar 17 17:58:08 ;P Mar 17 17:58:48 shrug - people pay money for that shit Mar 17 17:59:07 (Zelda doesn't sell as well as you might think :D) Mar 17 18:01:49 test Mar 17 18:01:57 moo Mar 17 18:02:21 can anybody please respond to me? Mar 17 18:02:24 vanadismobile: didn't work, sorry, have to retry Mar 17 18:02:34 tybollt, kthx Mar 17 18:03:11 * Arif_ drives over vanadismobile's N900 Mar 17 18:03:20 had recently some problems with xchat on n900 Mar 17 18:03:40 I couldn't find a font size option in XChat Mar 17 18:04:16 settings - preferences Mar 17 18:04:45 its there .. search harder Mar 17 18:04:54 I will! Mar 17 18:04:55 someday Mar 17 18:05:22 cpasjuste: flasher --local Mar 17 18:06:16 yep thanks :) Mar 17 18:06:24 just discovered that Mar 17 18:08:51 vanadismobile: such as? Mar 17 18:08:57 (problems) Mar 17 18:09:35 cehteh, couldn't post Mar 17 18:09:52 also with umlauts Mar 17 18:10:30 ok, not my beer :P Mar 17 18:10:34 DocScrutinizer, although I'm sure it's not possible, it wouldn't hurt to ask, can I enable R&D mode using flasher --local? Mar 17 18:10:49 seems no Mar 17 18:10:57 got not bug reports for the notification plugin, guess it works :P Mar 17 18:11:24 MohammadAG: flasher even failed to report current settings Mar 17 18:12:07 MohammadAG: obviously the --local is a half-ass hack Mar 17 18:12:37 can anyone help me get the volume control back? i have the same problem as http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45444 Mar 17 18:13:12 DocScrutinizer, I see, and it's closed source so that can't be 'fixed' Mar 17 18:13:24 as usual Mar 17 18:16:13 * Noobmonk3y blinks Mar 17 18:18:17 * MohammadAG exhales Mar 17 18:18:31 is there better email client for the N900? Mar 17 18:18:51 define better Mar 17 18:19:48 I recall hearing that PR1.2 is bringing some improvements. Can't remember where I heard that though. Mar 17 18:20:15 * DocScrutinizer recalls several times claws was mentioned Mar 17 18:20:20 better as in letting me use multiple From addresses Mar 17 18:20:31 DocScrutinizer: is claws available on the N900? Mar 17 18:20:45 claws does 95% of what I want (the other 5% is the lack of integration) Mar 17 18:21:07 didn't see it in the stock repos and I haven't gotten to finding the list of repos and how to add them to the new app mgr Mar 17 18:21:34 ds3: seems like it is, otherwise people wouldn't mention it as an alternative mailer ? Mar 17 18:21:38 ds3: its in extras-devel I think Mar 17 18:21:54 ds3: but beside that you can get anything via easy-debian too Mar 17 18:22:28 valdyn: how do I add a repo in this UI? previously, I can get to menus with the menu key but I am still lost as to how to do that Mar 17 18:23:07 ds3: in the package manager click on the title Mar 17 18:23:59 got it Mar 17 18:24:00 noone has any ida how i can get the volume control and volume osd back? Mar 17 18:24:09 i mean idea .... Mar 17 18:47:49 !moo Mar 17 18:48:35 to moo or ! to moo Mar 17 19:17:41 where's everyone on a wednesday evening :P Mar 17 19:18:21 does anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory? Mar 17 19:20:09 Arif_: On the sofa Mar 17 19:20:35 Waiting for my crumble to cool. Mar 17 19:22:38 one time you to a theatre and the play is late... Mar 17 19:22:58 I just registered for talk.maemo.org, but can't figure out how to PM. Clicking the PMs link in the sidebar gives me "you do not have permission to access this page." Is this an expected error? Mar 17 19:23:28 does any of the maemo folks know if you were accepted to GSoC? Mar 17 19:23:54 colonelqubit, I think you need to have some posts Mar 17 19:24:03 colonelqubit, make sure you confirmed your account Mar 17 19:24:08 MohammadAG: it's confirmed Mar 17 19:24:18 does anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory? Mar 17 19:24:31 could be the posts then, ask a mod on here Mar 17 19:24:31 I mean, I got an auto-email, clicked the link, then got what appeared to be an email reply back. Mar 17 19:26:09 If I need posts, "you do not have permission to access this page" isn't exactly the error message I would use... :P Mar 17 19:29:33 hum, latest maemo release do not use g_ether anymore ? Mar 17 19:31:16 khertan, webchat.freenode.net should work Mar 17 19:41:04 does anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory? Mar 17 19:42:04 cpasjuste: i used g_ether successfulla a week ago, so if there was no new firmware release today the answer is no Mar 17 19:42:39 hum well the module do not seems to be loader at all, and do not exist in the module dir Mar 17 19:43:36 cpasjuste: may i ask what is your background? user? developer/geek? Mar 17 19:43:55 i would say devel Mar 17 19:44:08 just so i don't propose developer tools to users :) Mar 17 19:44:10 not the best one tought ;) Mar 17 19:44:35 there is this one tool .. what's its name again? Mar 17 19:44:41 actually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from bootmenu.sh script Mar 17 19:44:44 it has a button to load g_ether Mar 17 19:45:15 i don't know how it does it. maybe it's doing something special. Mar 17 19:46:50 something like "mad developer" Mar 17 19:54:30 iidkdk hohoww bbuutt ii bbrorokkee tthhee kkeeyybbooaarrdd Mar 17 19:55:20 nvm fixed x.x Mar 17 19:55:46 lol Mar 17 19:55:53 double the communication! Mar 17 19:56:36 kinda weird Mar 17 19:57:18 renice-ing the media player to 20 makes it super quick! Mar 17 19:57:32 what? Mar 17 19:57:39 Ahhaha Mar 17 19:58:10 Mohammad: Does it still play videos jitter free? Mar 17 19:58:47 RST38h, lemme check, but audio doesn't stutter at +1.00 load Mar 17 19:58:55 with the browser open Mar 17 19:59:27 * RST38h considers renicing browser Mar 17 20:00:43 the media player works nice for me when it doesn't crash Mar 17 20:00:45 RST38h, video seems to be the same :( Mar 17 20:00:54 it just stutters if I come near the phone Mar 17 20:00:54 :P Mar 17 20:00:58 never crashes here Mar 17 20:01:18 it stutters when i switch apps Mar 17 20:01:18 now it doesn't Mar 17 20:01:36 oh well Mar 17 20:01:40 kmplayer is even worse Mar 17 20:01:46 it stutters when unlocking/locking the phone:D Mar 17 20:02:05 mplayer+SiB ftw Mar 17 20:02:15 does sib stream radio/tv? Mar 17 20:02:25 RST38h, is it better than kmplayer? Mar 17 20:02:39 kmplayer needs a "repeat" option Mar 17 20:02:44 Anything is Mar 17 20:02:47 personally i use mplayer itself (yes i like to type stuff to play videos) Mar 17 20:02:51 it gets tiring having to press play every 10 minutes Mar 17 20:02:55 when it disconnects Mar 17 20:02:55 :D Mar 17 20:03:10 * RST38h is missing a few features found in the Maemo4 mplayer though Mar 17 20:03:22 like? Mar 17 20:03:26 like? Mar 17 20:03:31 It had a nice OSD menu Mar 17 20:03:34 i missed 4 complete OSs :( Mar 17 20:03:38 The new one does not Mar 17 20:03:44 oh Mar 17 20:03:55 Actually, I would not be against including file selection into that same OSD menu Mar 17 20:03:59 RST38h, download the diablo source, build it, optify, install Mar 17 20:04:04 OSD back :p Mar 17 20:04:16 Mohammad: I am maintaining too much stuff on Maemo already =( Mar 17 20:04:34 never knew you uploaded packages o.O Mar 17 20:04:46 Mohammad: Basically, if I take on mplayer as well, you will not get updates to XChat or FBReader or something else Mar 17 20:05:01 screw mplayer :p Mar 17 20:05:11 oh so you made the XChat menu so small Mar 17 20:05:12 what's FBreader? Mar 17 20:05:12 :P Mar 17 20:05:14 So, somebody else should have the honour Mar 17 20:05:30 Arif: Nah, has always been like that Mar 17 20:05:33 ebook reader, nvm Mar 17 20:05:45 Arif_, it's the same as the pc version Mar 17 20:05:54 without libsexy (I think) Mar 17 20:05:57 I never used the PC version Mar 17 20:05:59 There appears to be a way to make it bigger, more usable for the fingers Mar 17 20:06:10 but I had a hard time poking it with my fingers Mar 17 20:06:12 it crashed the settings i think Mar 17 20:06:13 libsexy has problems with Hildoninzed GTK+ Mar 17 20:06:22 Yep Mar 17 20:06:25 what does libsexy do? Mar 17 20:06:27 Weeelll... Mar 17 20:06:31 i think it's big enough :p Mar 17 20:06:38 Attaching libsexy to a gtk input widget crashed the whole thing Mar 17 20:06:44 Arif_, spell check Mar 17 20:06:47 oh Mar 17 20:06:50 not important Mar 17 20:07:06 me spleel gut :D Mar 17 20:07:07 More importantly, XChat had a couple of timers that drained n900 battery Mar 17 20:07:12 yaeh, woh uese spel chek nyways? Mar 17 20:07:24 moomo has auto complete anyway Mar 17 20:07:28 :p Mar 17 20:07:34 RST38h, timers? Mar 17 20:07:55 Mohammad: basically, having ticking timers is a bad thing on Maemo Mar 17 20:07:55 sometimes i tab normal words :( Mar 17 20:08:11 timers for what? Mar 17 20:08:27 Mohammad: DCC transfer checks, connection check, etc Mar 17 20:08:30 * MohammadAG_ hates how killall doesn't support wildcards Mar 17 20:08:36 wanted to try killall * Mar 17 20:08:50 RST38h, oh Mar 17 20:09:09 (cd /proc; kill [0-9]*) Mar 17 20:09:14 anything else? Mar 17 20:09:33 ds3, thanks :P Mar 17 20:09:43 that will probably overload the command line Mar 17 20:09:47 will try it when i get to xchat (on my pc) Mar 17 20:09:52 but there is always xargs -n1 for that =) Mar 17 20:09:53 FINE Mar 17 20:10:01 RST38h, eitherwayit will reboot :p Mar 17 20:10:11 (cd /proc; find . -name '[0-9]*' | xargs kill ) Mar 17 20:10:17 + space* Mar 17 20:10:18 anything ELSE? :D Mar 17 20:10:26 DESTROY! Mar 17 20:10:30 popcorn please Mar 17 20:10:35 :p Mar 17 20:10:48 oh and a ds3 (dualshock3) :P Mar 17 20:11:11 I'd like a sixaxis controller Mar 17 20:11:14 to play SNES Mar 17 20:11:14 :D Mar 17 20:11:21 oh btw Mar 17 20:11:24 is it possible? Mar 17 20:11:28 * MohammadAG_ has 4 Mar 17 20:11:34 oh Mar 17 20:11:34 oh, make that 5 Mar 17 20:11:35 i mean, to connect sixaxis to n900 Mar 17 20:11:39 yes Mar 17 20:11:41 i've dont thatt Mar 17 20:11:43 done* Mar 17 20:11:47 apparently it is Mar 17 20:11:47 :P Mar 17 20:11:49 thresh, to? Mar 17 20:11:51 sixaix + n900 + snes+ tv out = win Mar 17 20:11:54 yeah Mar 17 20:11:58 MohammadAG_: uhm? Mar 17 20:12:03 use it with picodrive Mar 17 20:12:06 anyone have a Weeeemote with a classic controller? Mar 17 20:12:12 picodrive? Mar 17 20:12:14 sixaxis is probably bigger than the n900 Mar 17 20:12:16 is it ported to N900? Mar 17 20:12:19 and supertux (lost count how many times i've played it) Mar 17 20:12:24 one of my friends was bragging about his iphone, i took out the ps3 controller and tv out, and was like haha! Mar 17 20:12:27 lol Mar 17 20:12:29 Arif_, megadrive/genesis emulator Mar 17 20:12:35 thresh, freenode lags for me Mar 17 20:12:40 ah alright Mar 17 20:12:42 but is it on the N900! Mar 17 20:12:42 i really want the n64 emulator on the n900 Mar 17 20:12:50 mupen64 Mar 17 20:12:56 Arif_, yesterday it was, runs @ 60fps, it's in extras-devel Mar 17 20:13:03 sweet Mar 17 20:13:11 Arif_, again yeah Mar 17 20:13:18 * Arif_ runs to rapidshare Mar 17 20:13:36 Arif_, run to extras-devel first Mar 17 20:13:44 I need roms first Mar 17 20:13:44 :D Mar 17 20:13:50 usual warnings, but i assume you know that Mar 17 20:13:58 yea yea Mar 17 20:14:06 my phone'll do a lapdance if I install the right app Mar 17 20:14:08 or something Mar 17 20:14:19 Arif_, multitask, run the install, download the roms Mar 17 20:14:26 So, has tmo experienced a collective orgasm after PicoDrive went to Extras-Devel? Mar 17 20:14:31 yea Mar 17 20:14:33 multitasking ftw Mar 17 20:14:42 i'm amazed at how quick/fast it runs Mar 17 20:14:48 60fps Mar 17 20:14:49 oh please Mar 17 20:14:52 it ran fine on the 6600 Mar 17 20:14:53 :P Mar 17 20:14:58 my n97 ran it at about 20 i think Mar 17 20:15:11 half the RES Mar 17 20:15:19 Arif_, not @ 60fps :) Mar 17 20:15:37 maybe 50 Mar 17 20:15:49 the N91 ran it fine too Mar 17 20:15:56 * MohammadAG_ misses his N97 form factor Mar 17 20:16:12 * Arif_ misses his N95 speakers and N91 headphone output Mar 17 20:16:14 * MohammadAG_ prefers not to remember eveything else about the N97 Mar 17 20:16:22 anything* Mar 17 20:16:35 5800 speakers were better Mar 17 20:16:46 but yeah, the N95 had comparable ones Mar 17 20:16:47 you're right Mar 17 20:16:52 best i've had Mar 17 20:17:00 I only used the 5800 for a while though Mar 17 20:17:04 never owned a 5800 Mar 17 20:17:08 camera was a downgrade Mar 17 20:17:22 only thing that stopped me was lack of coreplayer Mar 17 20:17:28 5800 is nice Mar 17 20:17:29 the X6 has good speakers too i think Mar 17 20:17:39 oh screw them, i'll get a stereo and connect it Mar 17 20:17:58 I hope Nokia makes a Moogo device with real speakers Mar 17 20:18:14 moogo? Mar 17 20:18:18 lol Mar 17 20:18:32 yeah Mar 17 20:18:35 they should call it moogo :D Mar 17 20:18:42 mongoo Mar 17 20:18:57 just call it maeblin Mar 17 20:19:16 will become an instant hit in .ru Mar 17 20:20:02 NooGo Mar 17 20:20:06 hate RPM Mar 17 20:20:14 lol RST38h Mar 17 20:20:27 what does it mean :p Mar 17 20:20:38 Arif: something like mofucklin Mar 17 20:20:45 :D Mar 17 20:20:54 RST38h, would running a script from a script cause memory issues? Mar 17 20:21:10 Mohammad: Not unless you do it recursively many times Mar 17 20:21:22 Every script will start in its own copy of the shell Mar 17 20:21:32 RST38h, that's what i'm planning to do Mar 17 20:21:38 rpm ftw Mar 17 20:21:53 debian! Mar 17 20:22:07 excellent, vbulletin for meego Mar 17 20:22:08 actually, i never tried it extensively Mar 17 20:22:16 used fedora for three days Mar 17 20:22:23 Stskeeps: What is the decision on the CMS? Mar 17 20:22:46 RST38h: no idea Mar 17 20:28:23 whoever ported picodrive Mar 17 20:28:27 did some funny stuff :D Mar 17 20:28:58 Arif_, can you type the pipe symbol? Mar 17 20:29:07 | Mar 17 20:29:08 broke my Sym 'menu' Mar 17 20:29:18 ty :) Mar 17 20:29:25 half of the picodrive menu is Turkish Mar 17 20:29:25 hehe Mar 17 20:30:08 looks ok here Mar 17 20:30:20 Arif_, english here :p Mar 17 20:30:44 I have the phone set to Turkish with the fan translation Mar 17 20:30:54 guess Picodrive reads some text from that:) Mar 17 20:31:59 oo Mar 17 20:32:04 900 megadrive games Mar 17 20:32:11 * Arif_ looks around for the cable Mar 17 20:32:17 RST38h, reniced the browser Mar 17 20:32:27 speeds up the engine, slows down the UI Mar 17 20:33:04 Mohammad: microb ui, you mean? Mar 17 20:33:56 RST38h, yeah (scrolling and the like) Mar 17 20:34:00 OMG Mar 17 20:34:20 reniced the browser itself, scrolling doesn't show checkerboards Mar 17 20:34:20 WUT? Mar 17 20:34:32 wtf is reniceing Mar 17 20:34:35 fast scrolling, even on facebook! Mar 17 20:34:51 probably also takes a bunch of cpu Mar 17 20:34:55 and how do I do that myself :P Mar 17 20:34:55 Arif_, changing the priority of apps Mar 17 20:35:06 Arif_: man renice Mar 17 20:35:11 processes actually Mar 17 20:35:32 hmm Mar 17 20:35:35 Stskeeps, well yeah, after all you're giving it higher cpu priority Mar 17 20:36:04 DocScrutinizer, man doesn't work on the N900 Mar 17 20:36:14 orly Mar 17 20:36:40 sh: man: not found Mar 17 20:36:44 yeah really :) Mar 17 20:37:03 [2010-03-17 17:51:19] where's the friggin mandb package Mar 17 20:37:16 lol Mar 17 20:37:52 no man, takes up too much space Mar 17 20:37:53 :P Mar 17 20:38:01 muhahahaha Mar 17 20:38:19 well, there's 220MB space after all.... Mar 17 20:38:19 Yeh, I kinda want man too Mar 17 20:38:35 Busybox is also kinda pissing me off, but at least there is bash and some gnu utils Mar 17 20:38:41 couldn't they have put it on the 2GB space Mar 17 20:38:47 Stskeeps, how much is too much? Mar 17 20:38:58 * DocScrutinizer points to optification Mar 17 20:39:06 MohammadAG_: i think i rescued a fair bit doing manpurge Mar 17 20:39:13 fucksocks..... Mar 17 20:39:25 left my stylus as home.... Mar 17 20:39:32 aw Mar 17 20:39:42 better than losing it ;) Mar 17 20:39:43 feel a bit naked without it.... Mar 17 20:39:48 * MohammadAG_ points to putting the whole filesystem on the 32GB nand Mar 17 20:39:55 true, got some spares :) Mar 17 20:39:58 and keeping /opt as /opt Mar 17 20:40:05 wouldn't that slow the phone down Mar 17 20:40:18 MohammadAG_: +100 Mar 17 20:40:21 Noobmonk3y, I refuse to pay €7 for a plastic pen :P Mar 17 20:40:35 ~optification Mar 17 20:40:36 from memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Mar 17 20:40:37 Arif_, slightly, and it would kill USB mass storage, but what the hell, I have scp for that Mar 17 20:40:39 ahhh 3 for £2 Mar 17 20:40:51 little thinner but fit fine Mar 17 20:41:02 from feebay? Mar 17 20:41:06 yup Mar 17 20:41:06 FUBAR LOL Mar 17 20:41:09 china hehe Mar 17 20:41:17 is there a program for the N900 that helps you locate the device if it is stolen? Mar 17 20:41:20 scp? Mar 17 20:41:28 :P Mar 17 20:41:34 moulded the same, but not as hefty, so bend if you press 2 much Mar 17 20:41:34 doesn't work in my wlan Mar 17 20:41:42 Arif_, copying files over the network Mar 17 20:41:42 only if I connect over 3G Mar 17 20:41:46 uses ssh Mar 17 20:41:57 I don't want to transfer files at 100KB/s Mar 17 20:42:02 i have to use my external IP Mar 17 20:42:10 I tried both Mar 17 20:42:14 but it's always the same Mar 17 20:42:16 i was thinking of developing a hidden location uploaded. but nothings really hidden Mar 17 20:42:21 static IP Mar 17 20:42:25 uploader* Mar 17 20:42:28 Arif_, ports forwarded? Mar 17 20:42:32 yea Mar 17 20:42:44 shouldn't matter actually Mar 17 20:42:47 it's in my lan Mar 17 20:42:57 someone started the whole OS on the 32GB NAND thing right? Mar 17 20:43:20 yeah Mar 17 20:43:29 it just need R&D mode, and i kept that on for a week Mar 17 20:43:31 that's the way to do it Mar 17 20:43:42 was testing something and went on holiday Mar 17 20:43:48 forgot to change it back Mar 17 20:44:14 hmmmmmmmmm Mar 17 20:44:21 actually i'm thinking of something now Mar 17 20:44:32 32GB cards have been released Mar 17 20:44:59 i'll get one, format it into ext2, make a 50MB vfat partition and put the ext2 driver on it Mar 17 20:45:00 they're only 120 € Mar 17 20:45:17 (or ext3 if it works with the windows driver) Mar 17 20:45:33 and i'll put the OS on the 32GB NAND Mar 17 20:45:44 Noobmonk3y going back up a bit, got a link to the seller of the styli you can get at 3 for £2 that fit into the n900's holder? Mar 17 20:46:00 oh yeah, we'll use the 256MB NAND for swap, should be faster Mar 17 20:46:01 I wonder if the DS styli will fit Mar 17 20:46:07 they dont Mar 17 20:46:16 will link it thru when i get home :) Mar 17 20:46:22 would look kinda silly anyway Mar 17 20:46:23 much too fat to get into the holder Mar 17 20:46:28 white styli in a black phone :D Mar 17 20:46:37 you can get black ones Mar 17 20:46:43 Arif_, it's too short Mar 17 20:46:54 mine's gray Mar 17 20:46:59 1st DS Mar 17 20:47:03 I have the lite Mar 17 20:47:11 MohammadAG_: I suggest to have a swapFILE on NAND, and a lower priority secondary swap on a 500MB partition in eMMC Mar 17 20:47:11 I'm thinking of getting the i XL :P Mar 17 20:47:12 I dont have a ds atall, but bought them for my archos :> Mar 17 20:47:27 heh Mar 17 20:47:58 DocScrutinizer, that's all great but 32GBs haven't arrived here, so i'm pretty much planning what i'm saying :) Mar 17 20:48:08 hmmmm xchat is not very finger friendly Mar 17 20:48:13 oh and knowing israel, it should come out for $210 Mar 17 20:48:17 or €s Mar 17 20:48:40 Noobmonk3y I though that too :P Mar 17 20:48:50 and neither is VNC viewer Mar 17 20:48:53 MohammadAG_: I don't see the need of a 32GB uSD. Should work with 16GB as well Mar 17 20:49:28 Noobmonk3y: how come? Mar 17 20:49:44 its just not, sidebars etc.... Mar 17 20:49:45 DocScrutinizer, well I have a 16GB one Mar 17 20:49:52 will start on this tomorrow Mar 17 20:49:57 the bottom part is fine Mar 17 20:50:05 2gb at the mo in mine :< Mar 17 20:50:19 mer handles the watchdog Mar 17 20:50:22 but i do have fat fingers Mar 17 20:50:26 i guess i can ask in #mer Mar 17 20:50:37 I don't have any microSD in it Mar 17 20:50:37 Anyone have an estimation of the N900's bluetooth range? RC project in the works.... Mar 17 20:50:49 in what conditions Mar 17 20:50:52 Noobmonk3y, volume buttons can be used for that part Mar 17 20:50:53 bout 6-10m Mar 17 20:51:03 oooo sexy! Mar 17 20:51:08 ty mohammad Mar 17 20:51:26 any idea on a trick to sort name completion? Mar 17 20:51:27 Noobmonk3y: Thanks Mar 17 20:51:34 RC meh, how about a predator missle or something :p Mar 17 20:51:44 friggin relogins on N900 xchat :-/ Mar 17 20:51:54 strange Mar 17 20:52:12 Noobmonk3y, umm Mar 17 20:52:21 think it may be poss to boost it.... bit like fm... not sure how tho Mar 17 20:52:25 shift + right Mar 17 20:52:25 or ctrl + right Mar 17 20:52:31 changed the default one, RST38h should know though Mar 17 20:52:42 nope Mar 17 20:52:48 Noobmonk3y I dont think that's particularly likely Mar 17 20:53:04 and prob not Mar 17 20:53:08 fm tx can be boosted as it's artificially limited to it's current tx power to comply with various laws Mar 17 20:53:16 Noobmonk3y, settings advanced keyboard shortcuts Mar 17 20:53:20 Noobmonk3y: (name compl) on xchat? Mar 17 20:53:26 can't type symbols so the last line was messy Mar 17 20:53:46 DocScrutinizer, this DocScrutinizer Mar 17 20:53:50 :) Mar 17 20:54:05 huh? Mar 17 20:54:13 Noobmonk3y: That I will look into, and thanks. (I found an arduino Xbee capable of 1 mile. I didn't know Bluetooth could do that.) Mar 17 20:54:20 DocScrutinizer, tab button behaviour Mar 17 20:54:36 thanks MohammadAG Mar 17 20:54:46 yay to nick auto completion Mar 17 20:55:01 DocScrutinizer, I type Doc then press CTRL + right to complete it to DocScrutinizer Mar 17 20:55:05 xchat prefs kbd-shortcuts -> set "complete names" to shift-space Mar 17 20:55:37 ahhh i set mine to ctrl+ right, workin fine Mar 17 20:55:49 np Noobmonk3y Mar 17 20:55:59 DocScrutinizer, is a long name to type everytime! Mar 17 20:56:03 same here :) Mar 17 20:56:04 actually it's called "complete nick/command" Mar 17 20:56:07 and so is MohammadAG Mar 17 20:56:08 shift creaked when i got the device, so i avoided it Mar 17 20:56:20 lol Mar 17 20:56:26 and Noobmonk3y Mar 17 20:56:32 my screen started clicking a bit recently Mar 17 20:56:40 dont notice it too much Mar 17 20:56:43 clicking? Mar 17 20:56:48 yeah.. Mar 17 20:56:53 let me guess Mar 17 20:56:55 just in parts, Mar 17 20:56:58 top area? Mar 17 20:57:04 changes Mar 17 20:57:08 middle earlier Mar 17 20:57:12 all fine now Mar 17 20:57:14 ctrl-right is skip word by default - bad idea to remap it to nick-completion Mar 17 20:57:18 meh Mar 17 20:57:24 too late DocScrutinizer Mar 17 20:57:28 same here Mar 17 20:57:32 lol Mar 17 20:57:33 huh? Mar 17 20:57:43 huh huh? Mar 17 20:57:43 Noobmonk3y, top right area Mar 17 20:57:53 you're right, it's too late here Mar 17 20:57:59 MohammadAG, middle earlier, changes tho.... Mar 17 20:57:59 it clicks inside and makes a sound Mar 17 20:58:03 it annoys me - a lot Mar 17 20:58:15 pressed hard on it and it seems to be fixed - for now Mar 17 20:58:34 fucksocks Mar 17 20:58:49 was testing the top right of the screen! Mar 17 20:58:55 hit the x Mar 17 20:59:08 Noobmonk3y, question, was it warmer where you live when the clicking started? Mar 17 20:59:12 lol Mar 17 20:59:42 my n900 seems a bit faster today Mar 17 21:00:29 X-Fade: ping Mar 17 21:00:30 erm, nope. been under 8 degrees the whole time Mar 17 21:00:34 mine's just annoying me confounding me at bubbels a little bit more today :< Mar 17 21:01:45 mine just seems random and is ignorable Mar 17 21:01:48 Noobmonk3y, ok, thought about putting it in the fridge since the issue doesn't happen in the morning/night Mar 17 21:01:56 hehehe Mar 17 21:02:02 might just be loose Mar 17 21:02:07 thought it's cause it's been warmer Mar 17 21:02:11 okay, this confirm to delete on the N900 mail client is annoying Mar 17 21:02:13 (i'm serious) :p Mar 17 21:02:18 is there a way of disabling that? Mar 17 21:02:21 wish i was in a warmer climate Mar 17 21:02:34 anyone got a job for an it advisor lol Mar 17 21:02:37 Noobmonk3y, can it be fixed Mar 17 21:02:45 Noobmonk3y, wanna swap? Mar 17 21:02:45 no idea, Mar 17 21:02:48 haha Mar 17 21:02:52 where r u? Mar 17 21:03:09 Jerusalem PS/IL (indifferent) Mar 17 21:03:13 Check the pinmap :-D Mar 17 21:03:43 you might have to import the N950 when it's released though Mar 17 21:03:47 thats effort on the n900 Mar 17 21:03:47 @ Noobmonk3y Mar 17 21:03:59 lol Mar 17 21:04:47 * Noobmonk3y needs a holiday Mar 17 21:04:52 Noobmonk3y, oh and there aren't any maps for IL Mar 17 21:05:01 unless you use the FULL google maps site Mar 17 21:05:18 the touch optimized community ones show a blank map Mar 17 21:05:24 still effort looking at maps on here Mar 17 21:05:28 Noobmonk3y, i'd really like one too Mar 17 21:05:36 might visit the bermuda triangle Mar 17 21:06:08 where you from Noobmonk3y ? Mar 17 21:06:12 i'm going to spring harvest in 2 weeks.... might meet up with rev kathy.... wayyyy to much religion for me lol Mar 17 21:06:28 i'm on th uk, south coast Mar 17 21:07:08 in the* Mar 17 21:08:01 * Noobmonk3y started coding "pull my finger" today Mar 17 21:08:19 yay Mar 17 21:08:24 the first fart app for the N900! Mar 17 21:08:27 Noobmonk3y, you made health check right? Mar 17 21:08:29 :) Mar 17 21:08:34 yup :) Mar 17 21:08:45 making* to be precise Mar 17 21:08:52 love the scrolling in it, is it Qt? Mar 17 21:09:03 awww thanks, yeah, pyqt Mar 17 21:09:12 I'm like the only person who hasn't written an app for the N900 in htere Mar 17 21:09:12 :d Mar 17 21:09:17 heh you're not too far from my company's office, thats in fareham Mar 17 21:09:34 there goes the other me Mar 17 21:09:34 3 weeks from first learning to get it into extras :) Mar 17 21:09:46 :) Mar 17 21:09:51 you two should meet up and have a teaparty! Mar 17 21:09:52 ;P Mar 17 21:09:52 awww arif! Mar 17 21:10:15 you can help me with pull my finger hehehe Mar 17 21:10:21 Arif_ sadly though my company's office is the other side of the country to me :p Mar 17 21:10:21 next version is the n9314 - following on from the roots of the n900, and adding UI and styling from the n7600. Mar 17 21:10:31 heh Mar 17 21:10:37 lol Mar 17 21:10:48 Noobmonk3y, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking Mar 17 21:10:50 the N90210? Mar 17 21:10:55 i'm not a developer, but guess i'm going to be some... time Mar 17 21:10:57 29 :) Mar 17 21:11:06 oo Mar 17 21:11:07 you're old ;P Mar 17 21:11:11 i r old Mar 17 21:11:35 Arif_, you? Mar 17 21:11:36 pic of me smally on www.greg-roberts.com Mar 17 21:11:49 18 ={ Mar 17 21:11:54 kids. Mar 17 21:12:04 nidO is like 50 Mar 17 21:12:08 :o Mar 17 21:12:18 I just meant you though, Noobmonk3y's olllld! Mar 17 21:12:20 16 here :) Mar 17 21:12:22 * FIQ is like 15 Mar 17 21:12:25 XD Mar 17 21:12:26 i am old lol Mar 17 21:12:32 like 15? Mar 17 21:12:39 lol Mar 17 21:12:42 "like" Mar 17 21:12:52 I hear that from 12 year old girls Mar 17 21:12:58 =P Mar 17 21:13:08 I wonder if "hey she was like 16" would work as a defence. Mar 17 21:13:10 but u can code Noobmonk3y :p Mar 17 21:13:14 * Noobmonk3y smiles Mar 17 21:13:18 lol Mar 17 21:13:19 :D Mar 17 21:13:21 can i? lol! Mar 17 21:13:22 Noobmonk3y, means he's 51 Mar 17 21:13:25 ok, fine, i'm 15 Mar 17 21:13:29 Arif_: I have an idea on which situation you hear that ;-P Mar 17 21:13:41 16 in 3 months though Mar 17 21:13:50 any news when pr 1.2 is coming? Mar 17 21:13:50 I wasn't involved in anything! Mar 17 21:14:05 "16 in 3 months" = 15. I thought kids were lazy, why make things longer. Mar 17 21:14:17 talking of healthcheck, 12 hours till get gets to maemo.org downloads :) Mar 17 21:14:24 * N900evil_ checks again for 1.1.1 Mar 17 21:14:35 i miss my 15 year old self Mar 17 21:14:36 * Noobmonk3y slaps petteri Mar 17 21:14:37 * Arif_ checks for PR1.4 Mar 17 21:14:48 nid0, meh Mar 17 21:15:05 Arif_, won't be a PR1.4 Mar 17 21:15:15 :p Mar 17 21:15:16 1.39.5? Mar 17 21:15:17 last week I saw some discussion that it has gone to the certifies and will be hopefully out in a week Mar 17 21:15:18 I have the feeling you're right Mar 17 21:15:18 :P Mar 17 21:15:22 ~slap Arif_ Mar 17 21:15:23 * infobot slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Mar 17 21:15:34 Moomo will die a silent death Mar 17 21:15:35 :D Mar 17 21:15:39 * Noobmonk3y fondles infobot Mar 17 21:16:01 * Arif_ sends hordes of Apple fanboys after DocScrutinizer Mar 17 21:16:24 * Noobmonk3y blinks Mar 17 21:16:29 ~curse RPM Mar 17 21:16:30 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, RPM ! Mar 17 21:16:37 lol Mar 17 21:16:47 lol Mar 17 21:16:52 * Noobmonk3y has no tilde...... Mar 17 21:17:00 goooood Mar 17 21:17:27 why not Mar 17 21:17:28 infobot: botsnack Mar 17 21:17:28 DocScrutinizer: thanks Mar 17 21:17:29 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mar 17 21:17:30 ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mar 17 21:17:40 wooooooooooop Mar 17 21:17:58 Arif_, poor fanbyos, what did they do to deserve that Mar 17 21:17:58 :P Mar 17 21:17:59 ~ignore Noobmonk3y Mar 17 21:18:00 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Noobmonk3y!" Mar 17 21:18:03 ~ Mar 17 21:18:12 ~~ Mar 17 21:18:12 ~_~ Mar 17 21:18:13 i heard ~ is the key Mar 17 21:18:21 ~key Mar 17 21:18:25 MohammadAG, they use rotten fruit! Mar 17 21:18:32 infobot, is a she? Mar 17 21:18:33 ~f9ndle DocScrutinizer Mar 17 21:18:39 f9ndle? Mar 17 21:18:45 wtf am i on Mar 17 21:18:46 what's that about the ~ ?? Mar 17 21:18:54 ã is even better. Or ñ Mar 17 21:19:03 ~curse ptl Mar 17 21:19:05 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ptl ! Mar 17 21:19:10 Arif_, i hear apple trademarked the words apple and air Mar 17 21:19:12 aaaagh Mar 17 21:19:13 :( Mar 17 21:19:21 wohooooo Mar 17 21:19:30 air? Mar 17 21:19:57 ~ slap Arif_ Mar 17 21:19:58 * infobot slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Mar 17 21:20:00 being a WinXP admin sounds easy enough Mar 17 21:20:00 meh Mar 17 21:20:08 just reset the server every 3 hours Mar 17 21:20:08 :p Mar 17 21:20:13 Arif_, macbook air Mar 17 21:20:21 or administer it properly :< Mar 17 21:20:26 ~ fondle MohammadAG Mar 17 21:20:30 net user (user)* Mar 17 21:20:39 nidO, lazily>properly Mar 17 21:20:49 changes pass in cmd Mar 17 21:20:50 * Noobmonk3y thinks infobot needs some loving Mar 17 21:20:52 MohammadAG, who in their right mind buys an apple laptop :P Mar 17 21:20:54 you do it properly once, you can be lazy for years till the day it dies. Mar 17 21:20:58 much easier overall! Mar 17 21:20:59 or nuke the whole shit, and get something decent Mar 17 21:21:18 brb Mar 17 21:21:22 Arif_, fanboys? Mar 17 21:21:38 bah Mar 17 21:21:41 they have too much money Mar 17 21:22:11 and too little heads Mar 17 21:22:25 all proprietary software is cursed with -1 alignment points, if I get enough I'll become "darth ptl" or something like that Mar 17 21:22:34 brains* Mar 17 21:22:34 ending convo Mar 17 21:22:34 again Mar 17 21:22:43 can't we all just live along :p Mar 17 21:23:36 ptl -1 alightment points in the chaotic or evil direction :P? Mar 17 21:23:45 evil, of course Mar 17 21:24:03 what alighnment did you start out as? Mar 17 21:24:03 I'll become darth ptl, not wacky ptl Mar 17 21:24:13 well, gotta go Mar 17 21:24:13 have to wake up in 6 hours Mar 17 21:24:13 nn everyone Mar 17 21:24:14 0! neutrl! Mar 17 21:24:15 *neutral Mar 17 21:24:23 join the darkside! Mar 17 21:24:25 we have cookies! Mar 17 21:24:26 night MohammadAG Mar 17 21:24:52 ptl: then you need some apps that give you +1 lawful. as im sure a sith lord is lawful evil Mar 17 21:24:52 nn Mar 17 21:24:52 :p Mar 17 21:24:57 I really wonder why you need to get up at 4 Mar 17 21:24:58 :P Mar 17 21:25:02 will 1.2 be ota upgradeable? lost the usb port on mine already... Mar 17 21:25:18 lost the usb port? Mar 17 21:25:20 you too? Mar 17 21:25:26 wtf do you DO with your phones? Mar 17 21:25:27 :D Mar 17 21:25:28 many people have this problem Mar 17 21:25:29 yep, prerelease tho Mar 17 21:25:33 happened a while ago Mar 17 21:25:40 can't you fix it? Mar 17 21:25:55 I lost my stlyus and neck cord Mar 17 21:25:55 ptl: maybe a friend will open it up Mar 17 21:26:00 and I dropped it a million times Mar 17 21:26:03 but some of the pcb came out with the port Mar 17 21:26:03 =} Mar 17 21:26:27 Arif_: ive not lost mine, not dropped mine, not lost parts of mine, :D Mar 17 21:26:37 :D:D Mar 17 21:26:41 Arif_: all parts of mine are in working order Mar 17 21:26:52 Arif_: I just need more people to optify their programs ;) Mar 17 21:27:22 heh Mar 17 21:27:28 mine's in perfect condition as well \o/ Mar 17 21:27:32 sans screen protector, too Mar 17 21:27:45 my phone got saved by girls a few times... Mar 17 21:27:46 =P Mar 17 21:28:17 my girlfriend almost threw mine across the room the other day] Mar 17 21:28:23 I've got a rubberized case and screen protector Mar 17 21:28:40 startling her with espeak via ssh while she was on the sofa playing bubbels was in retrospect hilariously funny but very risky Mar 17 21:28:41 nidO, you should love your gf not the N900 Mar 17 21:28:43 :D Mar 17 21:29:36 pssh blashpehmy Arif_ Mar 17 21:29:44 nid0: my gf totally loved mine...after 4 days, she said "my turn!", grabbed it, and didn't give it back for a few hours... Mar 17 21:30:00 ilol Mar 17 21:30:00 N900 > family > friends > gf Mar 17 21:30:02 shes always nicking mine to play bubbels Mar 17 21:30:13 bitch beat my high score too, I and cant top it :< Mar 17 21:30:29 i dont have bubbles installed Mar 17 21:30:29 :D Mar 17 21:30:41 do you have a geek girlfriend, Veggen? Mar 17 21:31:06 I have most, if not all games from extras installed Mar 17 21:31:07 :D Mar 17 21:31:15 bubbels is in testing. Mar 17 21:31:16 Arif_: ^^ Mar 17 21:31:19 go test it and vote it up Mar 17 21:31:20 ptl: sure I do. Mar 17 21:31:24 it deserves to get into extras Mar 17 21:31:27 Arif_: including the ones that are 200-300mb ? Mar 17 21:31:32 nidO: is it optified > Mar 17 21:31:35 yeah Mar 17 21:31:36 yes Mar 17 21:31:36 ptl: I found mine in the local Linux User Group :) Mar 17 21:31:36 (wesnoth) Mar 17 21:31:41 Veggen: you lucky bast*rd! :P lol Mar 17 21:32:01 girls use linux? Mar 17 21:32:08 I still reckon real genuine geek girlfriends are a myth Mar 17 21:32:09 * Arif_ runs off to download some linux distro ;P Mar 17 21:32:09 * Stskeeps wouldn't want a coder gf of the sole reason he hates arguing about code with people he really really likes Mar 17 21:32:13 :P Mar 17 21:32:14 mine's an evil solicitor :( Mar 17 21:32:18 Arif_: Fembots =/= female.. so no they dont Mar 17 21:32:23 aww Mar 17 21:32:37 arrrgg finger prints all over Mar 17 21:33:00 granted, she's not as geeky as me. Mar 17 21:33:09 Which, I guess, is a good thing ;) Mar 17 21:33:14 ds3: that's nice, this way you can know who committed the crime Mar 17 21:33:15 does she secretly despise you for that? Mar 17 21:33:26 ptl: so the N900 is a crime now? :D Mar 17 21:33:41 Veggen, she wouldn't give you any attention :P Mar 17 21:33:49 ds3: I guess it's evidence from the crime scene! Mar 17 21:33:59 nid0: How should I know? I'm a guy. we're notoriously bad at interpreting womens thoughts :) Mar 17 21:34:52 being a geek doesn't make *that* part any better :) Mar 17 21:34:57 ssometimes denying there are any Mar 17 21:35:18 what are these thoughts you talk about Mar 17 21:35:19 :Hmm: Mar 17 21:35:32 i really need a screen protector :( Mar 17 21:35:45 why? Mar 17 21:36:17 I once misinterpreted a girl who spent her first wage *ever* to come visit me (from Germany to Norway), when she'd only met me once the year before. Mar 17 21:36:50 too many finger prints Mar 17 21:36:52 granted, I might have interpreted it that way had I known at the time and not later that it *was* her first wage she spent on it. Mar 17 21:36:56 :) Mar 17 21:36:58 the colors on the N900 makes them show up more then on the N800 Mar 17 21:37:08 lol what Veggen Mar 17 21:37:19 aww Mar 17 21:37:20 Veggen is mean Mar 17 21:37:25 Arif: am not. Mar 17 21:37:26 back Mar 17 21:37:35 sure Veggen... Mar 17 21:37:50 Veggen is a womanizer Mar 17 21:37:50 sure you are Mar 17 21:37:52 :P Mar 17 21:37:59 :) Mar 17 21:38:22 * Noobmonk3y needs a beer Mar 17 21:38:26 thats to a certain artist who i dont like to listen to Mar 17 21:38:31 the first thing i think of when i hear womanizer.. is a woman Mar 17 21:38:33 lol Mar 17 21:38:35 DocScrutinizer: not at all :) I'm so slow that most girls have given up and moved on before I understand *one thing* about it. Mar 17 21:38:36 thats = thanks Mar 17 21:38:39 Veggen: I get it now you're maried and live in Germany ? ;-P Mar 17 21:38:51 DocScrutinizer: nah. Mar 17 21:39:22 DocScrutinizer: he lives in norway Mar 17 21:40:32 that killed the covnversation Mar 17 21:40:43 blasted northug :-@ Mar 17 21:40:43 Veggen, I usually have the oppsite Mar 17 21:40:44 :( Mar 17 21:40:48 ~kill northug Mar 17 21:40:49 * infobot shoots a super-inverse positrino gun at northug Mar 17 21:41:03 ~eat Arif_ Mar 17 21:41:04 * infobot slurps up all the Arif_ available Mar 17 21:41:04 sports? Am geek, not into it :) Mar 17 21:41:14 oooo slurrping Mar 17 21:41:19 slurps eh? Mar 17 21:41:19 :D Mar 17 21:41:21 sounds good Mar 17 21:41:34 ~poke lcuk Mar 17 21:41:35 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lcuk, pokes lcuk repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Mar 17 21:41:45 lol Mar 17 21:42:10 tybollt: you swedes can beat him all you want for me... Mar 17 21:42:25 ~beat Veggen Mar 17 21:42:26 * infobot beats Veggen with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish Mar 17 21:42:38 Noobmonk3y: that sucks Mar 17 21:42:42 is this Bubbels game you all speak of "Blubbels"? Mar 17 21:42:48 ~suck DocScrutinizer Mar 17 21:42:49 * infobot sucks DocScrutinizer's neck Mar 17 21:42:57 that sucks Mar 17 21:43:45 ...DocScrutinizer's neck! Mar 17 21:44:19 ~blink Mar 17 21:44:20 a perl script that downloads random jpegs and draws them on your X11 display. URL: http://www.techweenie.net/dave/blink.html Mar 17 21:44:27 lmfao Mar 17 21:44:37 and i thought blinking was simple Mar 17 21:44:38 * DocScrutinizer suggests /query infobot , for unlimited fun without spamming the chan Mar 17 21:45:06 let the spamming commence Mar 17 21:45:12 ~spam Arif_ Mar 17 21:45:13 * infobot subscribes Arif_ to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for Arif_ to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day Mar 17 21:45:16 mm Mar 17 21:45:17 spam Mar 17 21:45:27 pff Mar 17 21:45:29 my gmail gets more than that Mar 17 21:45:34 lol Mar 17 21:45:45 ~uberspam Arif_ Mar 17 21:45:47 chanop: could you reduce the noise please? Mar 17 21:45:52 lol Mar 17 21:46:13 ~lick Noobmonk3y Mar 17 21:46:14 * infobot licks Noobmonk3y *SHLUUURRRRPPP* Mar 17 21:46:17 ok whats the best game in the repos for my n900? :p Mar 17 21:46:21 oooo baby!!! Mar 17 21:46:25 bubbels Mar 17 21:46:31 Xisdibik, bubb0lz Mar 17 21:46:36 tuxrace? Mar 17 21:46:44 GeneralAntilles: spamalert Mar 17 21:47:19 i noticed in devel theres a PSX emulator.. i thought that was far beyond the capabilities of the n900? Mar 17 21:47:28 whats psx? Mar 17 21:47:33 Playstation 1 Mar 17 21:47:38 cool! Mar 17 21:48:03 it runs at 4 fps Mar 17 21:48:03 ;P Mar 17 21:48:09 ouch Mar 17 21:48:11 i wouldnt doubt it lol Mar 17 21:48:23 has anyone tried out freeciv on the n900? Mar 17 21:48:27 I have more hopes in the N64 emu Mar 17 21:48:37 not yet, want to tho Mar 17 21:48:50 I played it a fair bit on my desktop Mar 17 21:48:58 but at 1024x600 it was a bit funky on my netbook Mar 17 21:49:04 so im scared to think how it is on the n900 Mar 17 21:49:06 * RST38h watches freeloaders with zoological interest Mar 17 21:49:33 ~hug dneary_ Mar 17 21:49:34 * infobot jumps into dneary_'s lap and huggles and *hugs* dneary_ Mar 17 21:49:44 ~prod RST38h Mar 17 21:49:45 * infobot zaps RST38h with a high voltage cattle prod Mar 17 21:49:51 ouch Mar 17 21:50:08 hi Noobmonk3y Mar 17 21:50:15 :) Mar 17 21:50:24 twas all the bots fault.... Mar 17 21:50:58 I'm glad that there has been an end put to the forum software discussion Mar 17 21:51:26 has there? Mar 17 21:51:30 dneary: what about CMS though? Mar 17 21:51:36 which 1? Mar 17 21:51:39 hmm Mar 17 21:51:45 I wonder if picodrive plays 32x games Mar 17 21:52:16 RST38h, I have an idea, let's everybody give their preferences for every piece of server software the project's going to need and discuss for weeks the pros and cons Mar 17 21:52:41 dneary: well it is not the worst idea Mar 17 21:52:43 RST38h, The CMS is going to be Drupal, it's more or less final & has been (as far as I can tell) from the start Mar 17 21:52:44 :) Mar 17 21:52:46 What software should we use to collect these preferences? Mar 17 21:52:56 dneary: certainly better than forcing Midgard on everyone =) Mar 17 21:53:04 here's a better idea Mar 17 21:53:06 * RST38h moos at derf Mar 17 21:53:07 just go with whatever's easiest to use Mar 17 21:53:08 RST38h, I prefer getting on with it, and having the people who are going to administer choose Mar 17 21:53:08 =D Mar 17 21:53:26 dneary: Drupal should be ok, I am semihappy :) Mar 17 21:53:33 (at least, once you have a minimum of features & ease of use & popularity) Mar 17 21:53:54 dneary_, that approach can end up with 5different usernames........ Mar 17 21:54:17 5 different usernames? Mar 17 21:54:31 ok, slight exaggeration Mar 17 21:55:07 but my aim would be to ensure any tools that get aadded, like bugzilla, garage etc can use a single sign on Mar 17 21:55:31 causes alot of frustration at the mo Mar 17 21:55:36 There is one restraining feature of the whole system, and thatis that you need root on the meego servers to add new software Mar 17 21:55:48 So at the end of the day you have to convince root, or root's bosses Mar 17 21:55:55 :) Mar 17 21:55:56 sudo make me a sandwich Mar 17 21:56:01 lol Mar 17 21:57:05 dneary_: some services don't require auth :) Mar 17 21:57:15 who was i supposed to talk to about the dns entry? Mar 17 21:57:23 my brain is fried Mar 17 21:57:49 if nokia leaves n900 it would be sad, if it would support it it would be good(cause main power anyway would go to meego, and i'm sure it would work on n900 but not fully compative) but the best optuion if nokia leaves n900 to community and opens all the specs/drivers/*modules/everything Mar 17 21:57:52 timeless_mbp, Some services can be installed in userland, sure. You still need a user account on the server Mar 17 21:58:02 dneary_: i just need a CNAME Mar 17 21:58:10 i'm not going to run things on your servers :) Mar 17 21:58:20 too much pain, no benefit Mar 17 21:58:25 timeless_mbp, /me is not a DNS sysadmin Mar 17 22:01:35 hmmmmm Mar 17 22:15:14 * Arif_ throws megadrive roms at Noobmonk3y Mar 17 22:15:32 the picodrive port works great Mar 17 22:15:33 \o/ Mar 17 22:37:34 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ hmm Mar 17 22:40:31 uhm .. Mar 17 22:40:45 the specs dont turn me on Mar 17 22:40:49 no Mar 17 22:41:01 lack of wifi is a regrettable dealbreaker Mar 17 22:41:02 ~throw Arif_ Mar 17 22:41:03 * infobot winds up and throws Arif_ over the moon. Mar 17 22:41:12 SpeedEvil: FAIL :) Mar 17 22:41:37 SDIO wifi cards are regrettably expensive. Mar 17 22:41:40 SpeedEvil: formfactor is ok .. but processor, ram, flash, display .. are not Mar 17 22:42:29 * Noobmonk3y blinks Mar 17 22:42:29 double or triple the price and provide decent hardware .. then its ok Mar 17 22:42:48 (well, i'd take it with decent hardware for $99 too) Mar 17 22:42:53 processor, RAM, aren't that a big issue for me Mar 17 22:43:22 ~lick lcuk Mar 17 22:43:23 * infobot licks lcuk *SHLUUURRRRPPP* Mar 17 22:44:11 SpeedEvil: 32MB ram ... it is 2010 ffs :) Mar 17 22:44:24 64 Mar 17 22:44:35 SpeedEvil: MIPS. Mar 17 22:44:56 it is gonna be crap all the way from keyboard to cpu Mar 17 22:45:02 Ingenic's MIPS-compatible 336MHz XBurst Jz4720 processor, 32MB SDRAM, and 2GB NAND flash, and offers a 3-inch, 320 x 240 display. Mar 17 22:45:11 what kind of crappy device is that Mar 17 22:45:11 :D Mar 17 22:45:16 ^^^^^^32MB SDRAM Mar 17 22:45:37 Arif_: it's openmoko involved so... go figure ;) Mar 17 22:45:47 a generic chinese crapgadget Mar 17 22:45:51 I've never heard of that Mar 17 22:45:53 move along, nothing to see here Mar 17 22:46:02 lol Mar 17 22:46:15 whats openmoko and why are they so great/do they suck Mar 17 22:46:16 :P Mar 17 22:46:23 its the nokia n90210 all over again Mar 17 22:46:29 ;) Mar 17 22:46:44 Arif: Google, no? Mar 17 22:46:52 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 Mar 17 22:46:56 N900 ftw Mar 17 22:47:03 :) Mar 17 22:47:28 waah .. thats the worst clone i seen so far Mar 17 22:47:54 cehteh: you don't want a n900 mini? Mar 17 22:47:58 it is an iPhone clone!!!! Mar 17 22:48:05 Also - it has portrait. Mar 17 22:48:05 it has portrait mode Mar 17 22:48:08 clone>N900 Mar 17 22:48:10 http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_33953_13.jpg :D Mar 17 22:48:14 heh Mar 17 22:48:15 And dual-SIM Mar 17 22:48:23 and fm radio out of the box Mar 17 22:48:25 meh.... i miss my pager Mar 17 22:48:30 there are quite better clones Mar 17 22:48:48 wolf^, win! Mar 17 22:50:00 * RST38h thinks it can now be safely said that there is a choice of linux based crapgadgets on the market Mar 17 22:50:23 You should not necessarily fall for the first one available, like some of the present people have done in the past =) Mar 17 22:50:34 It is limited. I can see roles where it would be useful. Mar 17 22:50:49 2 x 1200mAh lithium ion rechargeable batteries (actual 800mAh) Mar 17 22:50:56 nice spec .. lmao Mar 17 22:51:03 For example, a portable IRC terminal, for in the garden. Mar 17 22:51:06 means 400mAh each prolly? :) Mar 17 22:51:22 (neglecting the lack of wifi) Mar 17 22:51:34 (wifi-sd are half again the price) Mar 17 22:52:08 RST38bis test Mar 17 22:52:56 something crazy is happening everytime i try visit talk.maemo.com i get diverted to microsoft silverlight Mar 17 22:53:33 Or a node controller for house. Mar 17 22:53:38 can you guys test it out http://talk.maemo.org/ Mar 17 22:54:28 wfm Mar 17 22:54:32 wfm Mar 17 22:54:37 ditto Mar 17 22:56:57 strange let me clear history and reboot, this is what it diverts to for me http://www.microsoft.com/products/ceip/EN-US/default.mspx Mar 17 22:57:06 brb Mar 17 22:58:54 Scientists have found a 67 million-year-old fossil of a snake coiled around dinosaur eggs and a hatchling. Mar 17 22:59:18 Snakes! On a pleisiosaur! Mar 17 22:59:51 working now i cleared browser data, strange it chose microsoft to mess up with lol Mar 17 23:00:10 RST38h: wooha, url? Mar 17 23:00:42 Hello All ! Mar 17 23:00:45 again ! Mar 17 23:01:13 Ouch the new xchat on fremantle is really nice ! Mar 17 23:01:17 tybollt: www.dailyrotten.com Mar 17 23:01:48 Khertan: what is better? the interface? Mar 17 23:01:55 Khertan: just curious Mar 17 23:02:07 oh yest ! Mar 17 23:02:15 yes the interface Mar 17 23:02:21 nice! nice! nice! Mar 17 23:02:30 and i like the notification too Mar 17 23:02:40 got to take a look immediately :-) Mar 17 23:02:43 * RST38h is busy switching notifications off at the moment =) Mar 17 23:02:52 very usefull i found ... Mar 17 23:02:54 mhm any changes? Mar 17 23:03:01 cehteh: Naah, not much Mar 17 23:03:06 ok :) Mar 17 23:03:14 the last time i try xchat it was on Diablo Mar 17 23:03:17 would wonder me Mar 17 23:03:23 no one send me a patch :P Mar 17 23:03:25 oh ... well Mar 17 23:03:25 cehteh: Basically, disabling the much despised note thing by default and enabling the standard xchat bubble notifications Mar 17 23:03:38 cehteh: the "patch" is two characters (changing 1s to 0s) Mar 17 23:03:45 ;) Mar 17 23:04:01 lemme update Mar 17 23:04:04 cehteh: the bubbles do look better and less obtrusive but miss icons. I am fixing icons at the moment. Mar 17 23:04:24 what are 'bubbles' Mar 17 23:04:55 RST38bis test Mar 17 23:05:54 i mentally reserved the 'n' mode for libnotify, just in case someone (or me) will work on it Mar 17 23:06:17 but so far it works well enough for me Mar 17 23:07:01 btw .. some (long) time ago i had a powersaving problem on the laptop with xchat, turned out that it was caused by the python or tcl plugin (cant remember which one) Mar 17 23:07:12 in case you want to provide that, keep an eye on it Mar 17 23:07:14 cehteh: libnotify works Mar 17 23:07:22 cehteh: by default, in xchat Mar 17 23:07:31 didnt know Mar 17 23:07:37 cehteh: I have just enabled it in the default config. Just need to fix the icons Mar 17 23:07:50 hum i think letting a option too to let user to choose for kinectic scrolling in the window or selexcting Mar 17 23:08:11 kinetic scrolling conflicts selecting Mar 17 23:08:16 Khertan: Probably undoable, the window is a custom widget Mar 17 23:08:28 but the userlist and channellist could be improved by kinetic scrolling Mar 17 23:08:29 No idea how to add kinetic scrolling to it, although you can try if you would like Mar 17 23:08:31 hum ... Mar 17 23:08:48 RST38h ... is it coded in python ? Mar 17 23:08:53 no, sorry Mar 17 23:09:00 coded in real programming language :) Mar 17 23:09:07 pfff :) Mar 17 23:09:08 context menu on channels in tree-view is broken too Mar 17 23:09:25 * noobmonk3y is back Mar 17 23:09:42 DIY Steve Jobs Cheese Head Mar 17 23:09:45 kinetic scrolling is hard. Would hte tophalf of hte chatwindow acting as pgup be hard? Mar 17 23:09:54 MM Mar 17 23:09:55 CHEESE Mar 17 23:10:09 oops Mar 17 23:10:10 :D Mar 17 23:10:10 did you custom widget can be put in a viewport ? Mar 17 23:10:22 SpeedEvil: You go and implement it, the sources are available Mar 17 23:10:26 :) Mar 17 23:10:28 lol Mar 17 23:10:33 RST38h: I'm busy lawning. Mar 17 23:11:04 Sorry to hear that =) Mar 17 23:11:15 * cehteh is busy raising btrees for a pseudo database, no time either :P Mar 17 23:11:44 See what happens when someone has to do some real work as opposed to discussing it? =) Mar 17 23:12:01 hah .. i did my part! Mar 17 23:12:11 cehteh: true =) Mar 17 23:12:20 RST38bis test Mar 17 23:13:57 I've some a question with gtk and textview Mar 17 23:14:13 how i can set the color of the border Mar 17 23:14:23 exemple : http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/7bbtmDLKNx_-LPRVXaK8LA?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink Mar 17 23:16:55 any idea ? Mar 17 23:17:21 Khertan: In Maemo5, there may not be a way Mar 17 23:17:36 * RST38h had similar problems recently: could not set the color of the input widget Mar 17 23:18:09 arg not really good Mar 17 23:18:21 this was always the case in diablo Mar 17 23:18:27 the standard gtk+ functions are there but they do nothing Mar 17 23:18:55 as you can see i can set the bg color of the textview Mar 17 23:19:22 but not without modify_bg() but with modify_base() Mar 17 23:19:43 and the border color stay white Mar 17 23:19:46 :( Mar 17 23:22:17 in the example you have shown a pygtkeditor window with that Mar 17 23:22:24 can't you look at the code? Mar 17 23:22:41 or it was a mockup? Mar 17 23:22:49 ? Mar 17 23:22:51 can anyone assist with network issue Mar 17 23:22:58 you want too see the code ? Mar 17 23:23:03 no, no Mar 17 23:23:11 you want to change the color of the border, like in http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/7bbtmDLKNx_-LPRVXaK8LA?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink Mar 17 23:23:14 right? Mar 17 23:23:15 it s not a mockup Mar 17 23:23:25 but a screenshots Mar 17 23:23:28 rights Mar 17 23:23:33 My N900 does a dhcp-request , but doenst accept the answer Mar 17 23:23:41 so can't you just look at the code for pygtkeditor and see how the programmer did it? Mar 17 23:23:43 i want to use the same color as the bg Mar 17 23:24:03 ah lol :) this is the problem ... Mar 17 23:24:14 i m the dev of pygtkeditor Mar 17 23:24:16 :) Mar 17 23:24:20 oh Mar 17 23:24:40 I misunderstood your question then, sorry. And btw congrats for the excellent app Mar 17 23:24:57 i can set without any problem all colors except the border one Mar 17 23:25:01 thx Mar 17 23:25:20 so i m thinking that it s something not possible on maemo5 Mar 17 23:25:52 so as you can see i m currently implementing theme :) Mar 17 23:27:03 Yes, I noticed that... Mar 17 23:27:51 the one you see is killingeyes.theme Mar 17 23:28:02 something made just for test :) Mar 17 23:28:43 is there anyone here that knows a bit about udhcp? Mar 17 23:30:59 i think x-fade will hate me : #9494 Mar 17 23:31:27 hum no more bot ? Mar 17 23:31:38 bug 9494 ? Mar 17 23:31:40 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 Old icon is displayed instead of the new one Mar 17 23:31:55 works better like that :) Mar 17 23:31:58 yes Mar 17 23:32:05 thx timeless_mbp Mar 17 23:35:46 FOUND IT Mar 17 23:36:52 ? Mar 17 23:41:14 I am soooooo close to fixing XChat bubbles... Mar 17 23:42:19 your real language is so difficult to use ? Mar 17 23:42:25 :) Mar 17 23:51:22 xchat bubbles Mar 17 23:51:27 * DocScrutinizer shakes head Mar 17 23:54:17 tbh I'm scared to install xchat updates for quite some weeks now Mar 17 23:54:50 DocScrutinizer, it's a bit like notifications spam. Mar 17 23:55:12 It just needs to send you an email and speak the highlight text to be complete. Mar 17 23:55:24 yep Mar 17 23:55:45 and I hope it'll take 200MB swap to run Mar 17 23:57:16 I don't get the need for the Hildon Note. Mar 17 23:57:31 me neither Mar 17 23:57:46 The boilerplate strings for the libnotify portion of the plugin just need to be trimmed so you can actually read the content. Mar 17 23:58:28 and having the highlights go to a chat window might be a nice option, too. Mar 17 23:59:00 anyone know what package is needed for AIM support on the 900? Mar 17 23:59:10 Yes, Telepathy Extras. Mar 17 23:59:12 (Or just the Haze portion) Mar 17 23:59:17 It works mostly OK Mar 17 23:59:24 Except the chat window style is PR1.0 Mar 17 23:59:26 a catch-highlights like the catch-URL thingy - yep, been suggested ;-D Mar 17 23:59:27 what group is that in? nothing like that under Networking? Mar 17 23:59:43 and it sometimes has trouble migrating from connection-to-connection automatically. Mar 17 23:59:48 ds3, Extras-devel. Mar 17 23:59:53 Should be Networking there. Mar 18 00:00:51 I have extras-devel enabled Mar 18 00:01:16 ds3, they may have changed the name. Mar 18 00:01:17 One sec. Mar 18 00:01:44 ds3, http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-extras/ Mar 18 00:01:52 not via app mgr? Mar 18 00:01:53 "Extra protocol plugins for Conversations and Contacts" Mar 18 00:01:58 Egads that's ugly. Mar 18 00:02:15 ah found it under All with the new name Mar 18 00:11:51 I officially cannot get even the slightest signal out of my fm transmitter through my radio (car and personal) Mar 18 00:12:20 C-S-B: the range at best is going to be only several meters. Mar 18 00:12:27 C-S-B: have you tuned it to a free channel? Mar 18 00:13:02 I've tuned to static, sat the phone next to the radio, nothing Mar 18 00:13:08 * GeneralAntilles wonders if this is a hardware, software, or user issue. Mar 18 00:13:36 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 18 00:13:38 Ive tried quite a lot of channels Mar 18 00:13:43 *frequencies Mar 18 00:13:44 i'd vote for pebkac, but that might be mean of me Mar 18 00:14:11 nidO, awful lot of people seem to be having this issue, though. Mar 18 00:14:14 i cant even hear static output Mar 18 00:14:42 any reproducable bugs reported about the transmitter just not working whatsoever? mine's always been flawless.. Mar 18 00:14:42 C-S-B, OK, take us through the exact steps you're trying Mar 18 00:14:47 ok Mar 18 00:14:53 Including all the things you tapped on screen. Mar 18 00:15:30 goto media player, play track, hear at full volume through internal speakers Mar 18 00:16:00 re Hi all Mar 18 00:16:23 click media player menu, select fm transmitter, select frequency (originally static only, but have tried a lot of others) enable transmitter Mar 18 00:16:28 icon appears at the top Mar 18 00:16:39 tune radio to frequency, nothing Mar 18 00:16:47 click fm-boost icon Mar 18 00:16:49 nothing Mar 18 00:16:57 anyone know if the ability to block IMs from a given user is no longer on the N900? Mar 18 00:17:14 Hrm, fm-boost. Mar 18 00:17:14 you mean it was there before? Mar 18 00:17:18 the music is actually silencing on the device's own speakers, right? Mar 18 00:17:24 nidO, yes Mar 18 00:17:35 the moment i enable the transmitter Mar 18 00:17:37 yes, I can block system messages from AIM on the N800...it was a menu option Mar 18 00:17:38 C-S-B, can you uninstall FM Boost, restart and try again? Mar 18 00:17:44 of course Mar 18 00:18:06 is the radio using rds? Mar 18 00:18:27 the N900's lack of a obvious menu key is driving me nuts Mar 18 00:18:36 the radio has a tuner dial, no display Mar 18 00:18:49 so it's ancient and probably has no rds support atall? Mar 18 00:18:58 yes Mar 18 00:19:11 how accurate's the tuner dial..? Mar 18 00:19:11 its a standard el cheapo Mar 18 00:19:15 C-S-B: you have a radio with LOCAL whip/telescope antenna? you tried scanning +/11MHz around the tarhet freq? Mar 18 00:19:40 it has a telescopic atenna Mar 18 00:20:25 I have *slowly* moved the dial across the spectrum easily surpassing the frequency in both directions Mar 18 00:20:30 +/-1 even Mar 18 00:20:55 ds3, key to bring up the menu or switch to the dashboard? Mar 18 00:20:57 hmm, we seen this yesterday Mar 18 00:21:08 GA: key to bring up the menu Mar 18 00:21:18 actually these reports getting frequent Mar 18 00:21:28 ds3, you may be able to use something like camkeyd or proximityd to do it. Mar 18 00:21:30 so guys any ideas, just uninstalled fmboost and rebooted Mar 18 00:21:48 GA: the more important question is - are the menus gone under the new design? Mar 18 00:21:51 I am looking at this QT demonstration and they are running the same app on several phones Mar 18 00:21:51 C-S-B you said it didnt work in the car either, dyou have an rds capable radio in there? Mar 18 00:21:56 does anyone know if anyone is working on the telepathy bug with aol and the name space problem Mar 18 00:22:04 I don't think this is right... I want differentiation Mar 18 00:22:11 I can eventually adapt to the new way of pulling up menus as long as I know it is there Mar 18 00:22:15 nidO, car radio has rds iirc Mar 18 00:22:18 I want killer apps for *my platform* so people change to it Mar 18 00:22:25 ds3, tap the area to the right of the statusbar. Mar 18 00:22:37 nidO: actually I think a signal meter would be more helpful than RDS Mar 18 00:22:45 GA: is that the new standard? that brings up "buttons" not what I'd call menus Mar 18 00:23:15 he's more likely to own an rds radio than a signal meter though, testing it on a radio with rds enabled will at least tell him if the device is broadcasting any signal atall Mar 18 00:23:26 ill go check the transmitter again after removing fmboost Mar 18 00:23:33 ds3, yes. Mar 18 00:23:39 openstandards: I don't know what bug you refer to but I noticed sometimes -2^31 gets assigned as port number in advanced and then AIM does not connect. 5190 would be the proper value. Is that your bug? Mar 18 00:23:43 ds3, menu buttons were enlarged for easier tapping. Mar 18 00:24:19 I see Mar 18 00:24:45 it is getting closer and closer to being android like... and I don't like the android UI :( Mar 18 00:25:01 ds3, meh, lot easier to hit with the thumbs. ;) Mar 18 00:25:33 GA: yes but unless I am mistaken; that seems to be taking out functionality Mar 18 00:25:47 njsf_, i mean the oscar protocol allows for a space in the user name however telepathy doesn't so those with spaces in the username need to use pidgin Mar 18 00:25:50 ds3, the menu? Mar 18 00:25:51 Not really Mar 18 00:25:52 like htf do you block messages from a given user...that was an obvious menu option on the N800 Mar 18 00:25:53 nidO: old radios more likely have signal meter rather than RDS :-) Mar 18 00:25:59 Fewer submenus, sure, but the functionality is still there. Mar 18 00:26:02 Just easier to hit with your thumbs. Mar 18 00:26:11 ds3, dunno about that Mar 18 00:26:15 * GeneralAntilles never blocked anybody on N800. Mar 18 00:26:24 openstandards: ok, that I would not trip on :) but nice to know of the issue ) Mar 18 00:26:45 GA: it isn't a person I want to block... it is the system messages that I don't care for notification... I _know_ i am logged multiple times Mar 18 00:27:00 Ah, yeah, that. Mar 18 00:27:03 Can it even be blocked? Mar 18 00:27:05 nidO: really old radios even have a nice 'magic eye' ;-D Mar 18 00:27:09 it worked on the N800 Mar 18 00:27:58 I'll find out about maemo mapper and claws tonight...both had a lot of menus Mar 18 00:28:05 hmmm i'm wondering if i compiled some upstream packages for telepathy would i be able to use them on my n900? Mar 18 00:28:12 thats going back a long way though, I got the impression C-S-B's portable radio is just a real basic one with nothing but a dial :P Mar 18 00:28:33 where with RDS in his car he can at least see if the n900 is broadcasting an AF signal Mar 18 00:29:55 Not sure if this is the right channel so if you know of a better channel to ask this question please let me know. I wrote a python qt application which uses QtXml but when I run the application on my N810 it can't find QtXml. Question can I add QtXml to the Qt that is installed on my maemo device? Mar 18 00:33:52 nidO: C-S-B: I'd suggest you search for a really faint weak signal that's almost pure noise, on radio. Then find out about the freq as exactly as you can. Then tune N900 step by step all across the range and see if you hear any changes in reception of that weak signal Mar 18 00:35:17 Hello Mar 18 00:35:19 DocScrutinizer just did that pretty much, no luck Mar 18 00:35:25 i need to help to update my n900 Mar 18 00:35:58 njsf_, the bug i was on about is a simple validation problem which detects white space and renders "field cannot contain spaces" :) Mar 18 00:36:44 device says "kohdesijainin muisti ei riitä"= not enough memory Mar 18 00:37:09 i tried to take devl and other list away but no luck Mar 18 00:37:19 anyideas? Mar 18 00:37:24 rebooted it since removing devel? Mar 18 00:37:28 no Mar 18 00:37:31 reboot it Mar 18 00:37:45 so any other ideas guys? Mar 18 00:38:41 C-S-B if you cant get any signal out of it whatsoever and you cant pick up an RDS signal of any kind on the frequency on your car radio, my only suggestion would be a nokia care point with a portable radio in hand Mar 18 00:39:00 no way I can think of to know whether thats a software fault or a physically fubar transmitter Mar 18 00:39:15 openstandards: the bug I was on about is a simple "don't save crap to a file"problem :D Mar 18 00:39:24 rds = display says n900? Mar 18 00:39:28 could always try reflashing the device before taking it in, and have a go at using the transmitter on a totally fresh firmware with no software Mar 18 00:39:52 ugh, its brand new Mar 18 00:40:02 if the radio has an rds signal youll usually have a little "rds" symbol somewhere on the lcd, either flashing or solid Mar 18 00:40:06 nidO no says same again Mar 18 00:40:21 and if you get "n900" coming up on your radio text, thats a good thing Mar 18 00:40:51 jiri: dh -h from xterm, whats your rootfs free space Mar 18 00:41:14 nidO, i think have a digital/analogue radio to hand that has a digital tuner. Mar 18 00:41:31 anyone in UK recommend a vacant freq? Mar 18 00:41:40 i usually just go for 88.1 Mar 18 00:41:47 nidO just type "dh -h" to treminal? Mar 18 00:41:53 nidO, cheers Mar 18 00:41:53 there isnt much other than the odd local station right at the bottom of the spectrum Mar 18 00:42:03 Jiri sorry, that should be "df -h" Mar 18 00:42:27 which one should i look up? Mar 18 00:42:32 top one, rootfs Mar 18 00:42:53 rooffs 227 183 39 Mar 18 00:43:13 is this just the latest pr1.1 update you're installing? Mar 18 00:43:15 avaiabl 39mn Mar 18 00:43:40 maemo5 3.2010.02-8 Mar 18 00:44:14 yep then. you need about 4mb more then, try "apt-get clean" and "apt-get autoclean" and see if it goes up Mar 18 00:44:52 could not open lock file.... Mar 18 00:45:07 close the application manager Mar 18 00:45:08 close HAM first, and make sure you're root Mar 18 00:45:31 to do that? Mar 18 00:45:44 dyou have rootsh installed? Mar 18 00:45:54 i think so Mar 18 00:46:00 type "root" Mar 18 00:46:16 root not found Mar 18 00:46:25 install rootsh :) Mar 18 00:46:42 and thats done how? Mar 18 00:46:53 you might also have an easier time just uninstalling stuff you've installed from -devel Mar 18 00:47:00 its a utility in extras Mar 18 00:47:07 ok Mar 18 00:47:42 how do i know thats devel softwares? Mar 18 00:47:49 any easy way? Mar 18 00:48:11 other than knowing what you installed from the -devel repo, no not really Mar 18 00:48:31 4mb is quit a much Mar 18 00:48:49 because most devel programs are just 100k or so Mar 18 00:48:52 not really, that could easily be one unoptified app Mar 18 00:50:25 i removed one poker software Mar 18 00:50:38 it gives my now 55mb Mar 18 00:50:48 see, that was easy :) Mar 18 00:50:54 downloading the update Mar 18 00:51:15 thanks guys, yuo are the best Mar 18 00:51:25 w00t!!! i just made a high score of 5277m in bounce! Mar 18 00:51:38 i usally suck xD Mar 18 00:51:52 does anyone know is the airng working well allready in n900` Mar 18 00:52:27 can you really crack wlan with that? Mar 18 00:52:28 aimg? Mar 18 00:52:44 Aircrack-ng Mar 18 00:52:46 sorry Mar 18 00:53:37 I don't know if it does promiscuous mode Mar 18 00:53:55 anybody know if iostat is available in any of the fremantle extras repos ? Mar 18 00:54:20 bonnie is Mar 18 00:54:23 I have my N900 peging 90% io for 15m now. suspecting mapper Mar 18 00:54:47 njsf_: top or htop Mar 18 00:54:56 ok nidO, I just tuned rds radio with digital dial to 88.1, static. started music and transmitter on phone, nothing not even rds Mar 18 00:55:07 nidO, tried some other stations samething Mar 18 00:55:18 that is what I used to see the io boundness I want to check which process is doing itt Mar 18 00:55:44 then id suggest reflashing (to the global firmware) and retrying it all, if it doesnt work flash back to UK and take it to a nokia care point Mar 18 00:56:03 nidO, tried starting the fmradio-tool from commandline, nothing but I did get a break in the static whenever I scrolled through the shell history. Mar 18 00:56:32 nidO, googling aside, any guide on getting and flashing the global firmwarea? Mar 18 00:56:42 ill lose my contacts right? Mar 18 00:57:23 you can take a backup of the phone via it's backup utility, thatll save contacts, sms's, settings, the installed program list to a backup file on the emmc Mar 18 00:57:43 you can then restore again from there after flashing, but id suggest trying the transmitter before restoring anything Mar 18 00:58:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware - details how to reinstall the firmware using flasher Mar 18 00:58:30 is the uk fw behind the global? Mar 18 00:58:34 yes Mar 18 00:58:36 nokia uk sucks Mar 18 00:58:38 as always Mar 18 00:59:01 why isn't the normal alarm as good as the alarmed app..... Mar 18 01:01:46 C-S-B: Is a new firmware out that can't be updated over-the-air? Mar 18 01:02:06 ive no idea. Mar 18 01:02:23 but If i flash to global im sure I'll be in a better situation Mar 18 01:04:41 is there any software which can get phone number on facebook Mar 18 01:04:59 i heard about hermes but i don't know if that going to do it? Mar 18 01:05:49 nidO, am i going to get rejected when I enter my imei/serial from a uk phone when trying to download the global image? Mar 18 01:05:52 phototranslate is pretty cool Mar 18 01:06:57 has anybody tried a different speech engine than espeak? Mar 18 01:07:26 C-S-B no - the N900 doesn't use imei identification for firmware versions, you're free to install the global image via flasher without making any changes Mar 18 01:07:42 excellent Mar 18 01:07:52 open and free with a phone, who'd have thought Mar 18 01:08:08 So ill want this one:http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Mar 18 01:09:24 yeah, from the list you get presented with you want the bottom one Mar 18 01:09:33 "RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" Mar 18 01:11:52 C-S-B: anyway, you said you got FMboost installed Mar 18 01:12:06 C-S-B: so your FW isn't exactly 'fresh' Mar 18 01:12:14 true... Mar 18 01:12:53 I strongly recommend to try FM-TX without installing FMboost, with a freshly flashed firmware Mar 18 01:13:47 yar, thats basically the point of the reflash :) plus, if it still doesn't work, youll be taking the device to the nokia care point in a clean state Mar 18 01:14:54 well, looks like my device needs charging, I take it the flash process doesnt provide power? Mar 18 01:15:19 yep Mar 18 01:15:21 it requires your phone to be at like 60% power minimum as a safeguard, to be absolutely positive it isnt going to run out of power while flashing Mar 18 01:15:31 as doing so = brick Mar 18 01:16:08 yeah, ive flashed plenty of fw before. I've done the risky low battery flash thing before. I dont need the stress with a 500 quid phone lol Mar 18 01:16:09 is it possible to unbrick the N900? Mar 18 01:16:20 or is it a JTAG project Mar 18 01:16:24 depends on your definition of brick Mar 18 01:16:29 Wild_Doogy, I reckon so, there are points behind the battery Mar 18 01:16:50 anyone tested those points? must be jtag? Mar 18 01:17:15 there were statements of guys who should know, who stated they never ever have seen a really bricked device Mar 18 01:18:13 its really hard to brick an n900, most people's definition of "bricked" just needs a reflash to fix, but thats not really bricked tbh Mar 18 01:18:33 and quite usually you're _not_ flashing the NOLO bootloader, which in turn is doing the flashing magic Mar 18 01:18:53 if you have a flashing station (aka jig) then it's not bricked. if you plug it into there, you can raise the appropriate line and make the OMAP boot from serial port Mar 18 01:19:04 so you can feed it a new nolo over serial, and then it will flash itself over USB Mar 18 01:19:07 (cold-flashing) Mar 18 01:19:08 so what are the benefits of the global image over the uk variant? Mar 18 01:19:19 youll get updates this decade Mar 18 01:19:24 it doesn't need JTAG, it's a built-in UART feature Mar 18 01:19:43 nokia have done their usual trick of releasing uk variant firmware then forgotten it exists, and stopped updating it Mar 18 01:19:55 Robot101: ack Mar 18 01:20:14 lol, oh well. i shouldnt have that prob once I have enough power to flash Mar 18 01:20:45 you'll never have that problem, as you won't nuke NOLO Mar 18 01:20:52 Robot101: thats what I figured, heck I just got a router that is unbrickable, so I would expect that a $500 piece of tech would also have many "back doors" Mar 18 01:21:50 Wild_Doogy: there's _always_ a backdoor - I mean, they *built* the thing without FW Mar 18 01:22:50 Assuming they don't program and then solder the programmed flash chip Mar 18 01:23:01 LOL yeah Mar 18 01:23:03 (which is unlikely) Mar 18 01:23:13 highly unlikely Mar 18 01:23:42 Haha, I dont know if i would call JTAG a back door so much as breaking into the cellar Mar 18 01:23:43 lol Mar 18 01:24:02 * DocScrutinizer remembers some "2nd cold-flash NOLO" mentioned in flasher --help Mar 18 01:24:31 Wild_Doogy, it's not JTAG. :) Mar 18 01:25:50 -2, --2nd=ARG Location of NOLO cold flasher ("2nd") image Mar 18 01:25:52 it's a feature of the OMAP, one of the pins under the battery is specifically for the jig to wiggle to say "please try and boot from serial before the internal flash" Mar 18 01:26:48 I am confused... what exactly does the Use internal GPS control? is that the switch to tell it to use an external (paired) Bluetooth GPS inplace of the internal one? Mar 18 01:26:52 you just need to wiggle that, and then it goes "blarp" on the serial port, and you respond within some period of time and feed it a bootloader which can load more bootloader over the serial port, which is the 2nd stage nolo thing, which it then runs and brings up the serial port Mar 18 01:27:03 ds3, yes. Mar 18 01:27:07 er, USB port Mar 18 01:27:16 GeneralAntilles: Sorry, I dont know much on this subject, besides what I had to do to reflash a bricked router. Mar 18 01:27:16 Robot101: sure it is the serial, not USB that they wired it for? Mar 18 01:27:37 ds3, both USB and serial pads are there. Mar 18 01:27:40 GA: okay...then what's that about using cell phone tower position I am finding on t.maemo.org? Mar 18 01:27:50 Ohhhhh Mar 18 01:27:54 ds3: pretty sure if the bootloader is dodo then it can't drive the USB Mar 18 01:27:54 ds3, does so by default. Mar 18 01:27:58 GeneralAntilles: do you have any docs on the pads? Mar 18 01:28:09 SpeedEvil, haven't seen any yet. Mar 18 01:28:19 so you first feed in NOLO over serial then that brings up USB Mar 18 01:28:21 GA: so if it is disabled, it will try to correlate tower with location; failing that then it will fall back to bluetooth GPS? Mar 18 01:28:36 ds3, don't think it does fallback. Mar 18 01:28:54 GA: then how do I tell it to use BT and not the cell tower info? Mar 18 01:29:10 ds3, select the BT GPS Mar 18 01:29:18 I think you can do if from the statusmenu while GPS is on. Mar 18 01:29:22 so the menu changes once I get it paired? Mar 18 01:29:26 cell gps uses data yes? Mar 18 01:29:45 Wild_Doogy: a few bytes Mar 18 01:29:56 I haven't tried the pairing yet... batteries low and I got a few more hours to go before I can recharge (thanks to the @#$$$@#@#%$@#$ new charge system) Mar 18 01:29:58 ds3, not entirely sure, haven't really poked around much. Mar 18 01:29:59 ok, so I would need a data SIM to use it then Mar 18 01:30:18 ds3, near a computer? :P Mar 18 01:30:29 GA: I don't have that microusb cable handy Mar 18 01:30:41 Mine is in my pocket Mar 18 01:30:43 I do have 2 different charger for the mini pin thing on the 770/800 Mar 18 01:30:43 ........ Mar 18 01:30:59 ds3, 4-packs of CA-101s go for about $10 on amazon. Mar 18 01:31:07 4 packs?! Mar 18 01:31:17 ditto?!?! Mar 18 01:31:19 I just found 1 vendor last night Mar 18 01:31:27 and it was $7.99 for 1 + S/H Mar 18 01:31:41 urgh, have i charged enough yet? Is the n900 going to kick up a fuss if it doesnt have enough or just do it and die? Mar 18 01:32:14 another lost feature...tapping on the battery icon no longer gives me estimates on remaining battery life Mar 18 01:32:22 C-S-B: lshal |grep bat Mar 18 01:32:33 will tell the percentage Mar 18 01:32:37 C-S-B: it'll kick up a fuss Mar 18 01:32:52 I have a python script for that Mar 18 01:33:00 anyone want it? Mar 18 01:33:03 ds3, estimates would be even more meaningless on OMAP3 than OMAP2. Mar 18 01:33:21 ds3, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-CA101-Connectivity-Cable/dp/B000VIT0WK Mar 18 01:33:34 ds3: that's actually a annoyance - though batlife guestimates aren't worth the effort anyway Mar 18 01:33:53 ds3, try to find somebody to implement a new battery applet. Mar 18 01:35:13 GA: I'll be happy with the raw voltage levels Mar 18 01:35:14 or a random number generator ;-P Mar 18 01:35:20 a half full battery icon is meaningless to me Mar 18 01:35:33 ds3, well, talk to HAL, then. Mar 18 01:35:47 ds3: voltage of a LiPo doesn't tell you much either Mar 18 01:36:34 DocScrutinizer: if it is at 2.7 and the cut off is at 2.7... it tells me a lot! Mar 18 01:37:03 I honestly doubt cutout is at 2.7 Mar 18 01:37:15 GA: nevermind... I thought the -101 part was the converter Mar 18 01:37:19 woot, flashing Mar 18 01:37:25 ds3, ah. Mar 18 01:37:54 Anyone seen the new BatteryGraph? its sweet Mar 18 01:38:36 the battery icon is useful as the cell strength.... I want dBm's not bars Mar 18 01:39:11 ds3: great! me too. File a bug Mar 18 01:39:37 I've seen enough of them sitting around Mar 18 01:39:42 * openstandards loves his desktop charger for his n900 Mar 18 01:40:10 i keep a spare battery in my wallet Mar 18 01:40:39 openstandards: Desk charger? as in stand-that-charges of some sort? Mar 18 01:40:49 the microusb charger is a 5 pin thingiee, isn't it? Mar 18 01:41:03 ds3: yup Mar 18 01:41:04 as in a standalone charger Mar 18 01:41:26 wonder if those microusb chargers are universal Mar 18 01:41:35 ds3: though charger is uing 3 of them only Mar 18 01:41:58 Wild_Doogy, they are a couple of quid and use the old style nokia charger plug :) Mar 18 01:42:01 is there a pinout page for the one on the N900? Mar 18 01:42:02 ds3: prolly not Mar 18 01:42:21 Sweet Mar 18 01:42:58 the crucial piece of info there is the desktop charger is for your battery, not the device itself Mar 18 01:43:52 OH..... that makes MUCH more sence Mar 18 01:43:55 :-D Mar 18 01:44:07 Adding to "The Wish List" Mar 18 01:44:29 renaming list to "Must Have List" Mar 18 01:44:35 fresh flash, no luck with transmitter. Mar 18 01:44:37 * DocScrutinizer has BL-5J on his wishlist Mar 18 01:44:48 time to head to a care point then Mar 18 01:44:48 http://www.sourcingmap.com/bl5j-battery-desktop-charger-for-nokia-n900-5800-p-54878.html?currency=GBP :) Mar 18 01:45:01 thats what i have Mar 18 01:45:13 very very useful Mar 18 01:45:13 C-S-B: you're #2 in 2 days then Mar 18 01:45:47 DocScrutinizer whats the remedy? Mar 18 01:45:58 replace Mar 18 01:46:02 really? Mar 18 01:46:02 openstandards: agreed, currently I need : Sim card,Spare battery, and that Charger Mar 18 01:46:21 is that a nokia job or retailer? Mar 18 01:46:27 C-S-B: no better advice here Mar 18 01:46:44 Wild_Doogy, what country are you from? Mar 18 01:46:47 if the device is under a month old, send to your retailer for a replacement Mar 18 01:46:48 USA Mar 18 01:46:59 should be quicker than getting a nokia care point to deal with it Mar 18 01:47:00 C-S-B: I'd kick retailer's ass Mar 18 01:47:38 ok, I'll pop in, surely they can do a straight swap, dont really want to be without a phone... Mar 18 01:47:47 where'd you buy it Mar 18 01:48:00 carphonewarehouse Mar 18 01:48:24 their store should do a straight swap if it's under 28 days old then, if they offer to take it away tell em you're entitled to a new one there and then Mar 18 01:48:41 its not old at all, under 28 days Mar 18 01:49:57 they wont make me flash back to UK will they? heck, they wont check will they? Mar 18 01:50:07 C-S-B: What died? the radio transmitter? Mar 18 01:50:16 it might be an idea to flash it back to UK now just to be on the safe side Mar 18 01:50:27 but if you demonstrate it faulty to them they should replace it no questions asked Mar 18 01:51:47 i might leave it as is. they cant refuse because of that can they? plus, i can go to another store after doing the necessary flash. Mar 18 01:52:28 I bet they won't even notice Mar 18 01:52:54 99% chance they wont notice or care, but they might try to blame the problem on that if the guy in the store is clueless Mar 18 01:53:26 for the sake of 5 minutes to reflash i'd switch it back to uk before taking it to them Mar 18 01:53:45 ok, sure thing. Mar 18 01:53:54 what a pain in the arse Mar 18 01:54:55 i take it that i can scp the backup i made off and plonk it on my new unit... Mar 18 01:55:23 yeah, just copy that backup off the emmc to either your pc or an sd card, then you can restore it to the new one Mar 18 01:55:43 ok, ill let you know how I get on. Im sure you all care lol! Mar 18 01:59:22 I actually do Mar 18 02:11:33 Microsoft on copy and paste in Windows Phone 7 Series: 'people don't do that' Mar 18 02:12:07 RST38h: Technically, that's true. Mar 18 02:12:14 is the default home directory okay to fill up with large files? Mar 18 02:12:21 or does that also break updates? Mar 18 02:12:38 RST38h: If there is no copy-paste capability on Windows Phone 7, then people don't copy-paste on Windows Phone 7, because they cannot. Mar 18 02:13:00 ds3: AFAIK the big files should go in MyDocs. Mar 18 02:13:16 is MyDocs another partition? Mar 18 02:13:25 just want to know what's a good place to put my media files Mar 18 02:13:57 ds3: Yes. Mar 18 02:14:08 okay, in MyDocs it goes Mar 18 02:14:26 life was easier with 2 SD slots and USB host for thumbdrives Mar 18 02:17:00 DS3: on what? Mar 18 02:17:07 810? Mar 18 02:17:10 800 Mar 18 02:17:15 ah Mar 18 02:17:27 USB host lack is very sad Mar 18 02:17:50 working on making a bluetooth-usb device Mar 18 02:17:55 coming along well Mar 18 02:19:29 you too? Mar 18 02:19:38 what processor are you using for the USB/BT bridge? Mar 18 02:21:46 ds3: arduino mega, 16 Khz......... Mar 18 02:22:14 so I definitly will need a better one for fast file transfer Mar 18 02:22:24 but its a good place to start Mar 18 02:22:48 it also is for my robot, but that doesnt need high speed Mar 18 02:24:37 16KHz definitely is a little slow Mar 18 02:25:34 well I know it will fail @ file transfer, its bassicaly for my robot. the robot is controlled via USB Mar 18 02:26:21 (I actualy am working on removing the USB component altogether and going strait from the arduino to the 12V driver) Mar 18 02:26:33 but still, fun project Mar 18 02:26:34 place to XTAL on foam adhesive, so you don't hear it beep :-P Mar 18 02:27:11 :-D Mar 18 02:28:05 or maybe s/K/M/ Mar 18 02:34:11 actually, maybe I'm wrong, but aiui there's a D+ and a D- on USB, for differential half-duplex data transfer. Differentiation between host and client (aka device) is a mere sw protocol issue. I.E. I think you should be able to "talk host" via a working USB interface, no matter if the rest of the PHY is configured for hostmode or for device mode Mar 18 02:35:03 yeah, I looked into that, and there is an app in extras devel that does that? I think Mar 18 02:35:45 no, I'm not sure it doesn anything at all, as it seems the kernel drivers for USB hostmode are missing Mar 18 02:38:39 it's a dead heritage from N810 it seems Mar 18 02:38:58 oh Mar 18 02:41:17 I believe one of the issues may be expectation of most host-client devices of expectiing the charge current Mar 18 02:41:24 which the N900 port will not deliver Mar 18 02:42:18 I say a hack that included adding the 5V though a modded connector Mar 18 02:42:53 njsf_: which in turn isn't a fixed fact yet Mar 18 02:43:02 hey you can connect 2 n900 over usb .. one charging the other, pepetuum mobile! Mar 18 02:43:18 on the one had, its sad that the N900 doesnt have the USB host, on the other its great that these hacks exist, and are possible Mar 18 02:43:21 njsf_: but yes, most devices would expect VBUS Mar 18 02:44:06 DocScrutinizer: i wonder if bme has some controls about the usb power input .. Mar 18 02:44:29 cehteh: as in they both charge each other? and you never run out of power? Great idea!!! Mar 18 02:44:40 :) Mar 18 02:44:52 according to the best schematics crap we normal mortals got, TWL4030 USB VBUS chargepump is connected to the USB receptacle Mar 18 02:46:53 DocScrutinizer: yeah no star-trek device you cant route power from the holodeck to the deflector shields, sorry Mar 18 02:47:10 awww Mar 18 02:47:10 PHY switch to hostmode mainly consists of swapping 2 15K pulldowns for one pullup Mar 18 02:47:12 DARNIT! Mar 18 02:47:30 aiui Mar 18 02:47:47 Darnit @ the not-like-startrek Mar 18 02:48:19 tests on other devices shown that most devices aren't so picky about that pullup/down issue Mar 18 02:48:49 s/other devices/OM Frerunner/ Mar 18 02:48:49 DocScrutinizer meant: tests on OM Frerunner shown that most devices aren't so picky about that pullup/down issue Mar 18 02:50:07 so even if we might fail to switch PHY chip to hostmode, we still may "talk" hostmode protocol, and we even might get +5V from GAIA aka TWL4030 Mar 18 02:51:08 so to a casual glance, (such as say a keyboard or something non picky) it might work Mar 18 02:51:10 ? Mar 18 02:51:11 which is proven good enough for quite a number of usb devices, like keyboards, hubs, usb-sticks (some of them all) Mar 18 02:51:25 yep Mar 18 02:51:29 sweet Mar 18 02:51:39 I need to learn mor :-\ Mar 18 02:51:58 this stuff is facinating, and my homework is not.......... Mar 18 02:53:47 Wild_Doogy: Ha the universal study constant, almost everything else is more interesting :D Mar 18 02:54:32 Also like the work constant, Everything is fun to someone, except the people that do it for a livving **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 02:59:56 2010