**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 19 02:59:56 2010 Mar 19 03:00:02 and the "good and easy math" isn't known here. Wikipedia does show exactly the opposite to an easy math Mar 19 03:00:12 you would have to convince me it actually did what it claimed to Mar 19 03:00:43 http://itunes.apple.com/no/app/sleep-cycle-alarm-clock/id320606217?mt=8 Mar 19 03:00:43 win Mar 19 03:00:57 the iphone app for example has been proven to be a hoax Mar 19 03:01:18 proof? Mar 19 03:02:03 I saw an iphone app that claimed to detect lies based on reading the contact with your thumb. It very obiously didn't work Mar 19 03:02:36 well you cant compare that Mar 19 03:02:56 naxxatoe|mbp: you're asking me for a proof? or asking if there actually is a proof about iphone app? Mar 19 03:03:12 proof of it beeing a hoax Mar 19 03:03:32 it would be cool to have a sleep montoring app but don't know how on could make it work Mar 19 03:03:43 dmj726_n900: seriously thats comparing a single press on a display to accelerometer data, i dont see the relation here Mar 19 03:05:25 but it's nontrivial to interpret the accelerometer data to accurately reflect sleep patterns. especially if the phone is not mounted to the person. that's all i'm saying. Mar 19 03:05:45 naxxatoe|mbp: me and a couple of other guys had weeks of discussions and gathering data/docs/reviews. We found reports about iphone sleepphase alarm not working like advertised, and we found it matching our own conclusions. If you want to go thru same effort, you'll probably come to same result Mar 19 03:06:05 actually the fun part is i did Mar 19 03:06:07 prove me wrong with a working app Mar 19 03:06:19 my gf has a iphone, works for us :P Mar 19 03:06:33 but then again it can be a whole placebo aswell Mar 19 03:06:53 but from that pov anything is, as knowing anything about it influences results Mar 19 03:07:09 exactly the conclusion of that report in TV Mar 19 03:07:17 placebo Mar 19 03:07:21 besides that thing, from a logical point of view Mar 19 03:07:32 matrasses will move and bend when you move on em Mar 19 03:07:43 just fom the way they are built Mar 19 03:08:28 so its not all out of the air, and you can be quite good on guessing as you have clear corelations between movment in sleep and sleep phases (thats the thing i outlined int he wikipedia thing) Mar 19 03:08:47 you can't sense the movement that really matters here Mar 19 03:09:04 via matrass Mar 19 03:09:47 and no, you exactly have NO clear relations between movements and sleep phases Mar 19 03:10:32 except for one fact: during dreams you're NOT moving usually Mar 19 03:13:02 but as dream phase also is absolutely NOT the phase to wake up easy and fresh, this isn't the real problem Mar 19 03:13:29 ok, i am off to the lab, gonna solder up up something to track my movement on body and then on the bed, give me a couple of nights Mar 19 03:13:58 the real problem is, you don't move a lot at beginning of dream phase, when you come up from deep sleep, which is the best moment for an alarm Mar 19 03:16:36 the large movements (roll from one side to the other) during a night are rare - just 5 to 10 times - so this isn't enough to detect the dream phases correctly (the times when you do not move). You need the small movements to detect these dreamphases, and those won't be detected by a device on the corner of your matrass Mar 19 03:17:36 anyone have no sound from debian? Mar 19 03:22:45 yes others have that problem Mar 19 03:26:18 i just made it work in one prog Mar 19 03:31:04 how does it talk to the pulseaudio outside of chroot dmj726_n900 ? Mar 19 03:36:35 i set the music player to output to pulse and it made noise Mar 19 03:37:02 now i just need it to output audio from festival Mar 19 03:48:03 what are you doing text-to-speech for dmj726_n900 ? Mar 19 03:49:47 i want to make the n900 into an accesibility device for blind people Mar 19 03:51:40 what does festival do that espeak doesnt? Mar 19 03:52:20 espeak sounds annoying Mar 19 03:52:43 bleeding ears Mar 19 03:53:45 i wouldn't mind using espeak but i don't think users would like the sound of it for long form works. Mar 19 03:55:01 cool project Mar 19 03:55:20 hope you have some testers Mar 19 03:55:37 yeah I'm going to glue it together with tessaract Mar 19 03:56:05 my mom specializes in low-vision Mar 19 03:56:45 so finding testers shouldn't be hard. Mar 19 04:01:15 audiobooks would be great Mar 19 04:05:24 it would make audio books from paper books Mar 19 04:05:42 muad diib! Mar 19 04:06:44 how about book selection, chapter selection, bookmarks... Mar 19 04:10:16 probably give it an ebook reader too. Mar 19 04:11:52 i hope it's not going to require debian chroot Mar 19 04:27:07 dmj726_n900, i seriously doubt a device with almost no hardware buttons is handy for a blind Mar 19 04:28:02 a gesture-driven interface may be, though Mar 19 04:35:10 Arkenklo, theres this off thing called a keyboard Mar 19 04:35:20 its got a couple of buttons Mar 19 04:38:03 i am making a ui that speaks Mar 19 04:41:52 pupnik: no I just figured i would test the existing debian festival first Mar 19 04:41:57 mhm Mar 19 04:41:59 makes sense Mar 19 04:42:42 it seems to run but it gives me the silent treatment Mar 19 04:42:43 where is the best way to embed speech synthesis on an application? There is a system API for that? There's something like libfestival ou libespeak? Mar 19 04:43:02 s/ ou / or / Mar 19 04:43:03 ptl meant: where is the best way to embed speech synthesis on an application? There is a system API for that? There's something like libfestival or libespeak? Mar 19 04:44:58 I don't know if there is any system-wide api for speech in maemo Mar 19 04:46:00 wouldn't this information be good for your UI? Mar 19 04:47:38 yes Mar 19 04:48:05 I rather suspect that there is none as yet Mar 19 04:48:43 found it Mar 19 04:48:44 flite Mar 19 04:48:52 dmj726_n900, if there isnt, go look around general linux and see whats around, or put some notes together on the maemo wiki Mar 19 04:49:14 for other accessiblity stuff too :) Mar 19 04:49:25 the big two desktop environments have it Mar 19 04:49:41 maemo-mapper uses flite Mar 19 04:49:59 there's libflite1 Mar 19 04:50:16 so I think that's the best bet Mar 19 04:50:56 libfitte Mar 19 04:51:02 talk.maemo.org rules big time. All the answers are there. Mar 19 04:51:02 i have used espeak so far Mar 19 04:51:09 mapper has not been good to me. 8/10 times it causes my n900 to go 90% iowait and everything stalls. I suspect interaction with media player. every one of those 8 times I was previously listening to something Mar 19 04:52:56 file a bug report! Mar 19 04:54:06 I will ) Mar 19 04:58:21 there's libeaspeak also Mar 19 05:00:47 that's what i was using Mar 19 05:01:06 ...it had a grating voice Mar 19 05:03:41 s/libeaspeak/libespeak/ Mar 19 05:03:42 ptl meant: there's libespeak also Mar 19 05:04:12 ah...yeah I was just calling the command line for it Mar 19 05:07:35 I don't think I'll be able to make all parts of maemo accessible, but I'm hoping to make the n900 a useful (and inexpensive) tool for reading documents, making calls, taking notes and so forth. Mar 19 05:20:35 cool...maemo is doing gsoc Mar 19 05:27:17 anyone else looking to participate? Mar 19 05:29:54 what's gsoc? Mar 19 05:29:59 participate in what? Mar 19 05:41:04 ptl: google summer of code Mar 19 05:41:06 oh, google summer of code Mar 19 05:41:19 yeah, I used google define: to get it :P Mar 19 05:41:32 it's summer only in the northern hemisphere. Mar 19 05:41:49 you in the southern one? Mar 19 05:41:52 I always forget the time due to that. Google shouldn't use 'summer' for something that's supposed to be global. Mar 19 05:41:55 Yes, Brazil. Mar 19 05:43:11 it is a bit silly. it makes lots of sense in an american context, but probably not so much in other parts Mar 19 05:55:57 dmj726_n900: do you use qtcreator? Mar 19 06:00:55 dmj726_n900: i like your idea Mar 19 06:01:16 (for n900 accessible for blind) Mar 19 06:03:22 Ok Mar 19 06:03:23 stskeeps: thank you Mar 19 06:03:25 just went to the MADDE page Mar 19 06:03:43 there's MADDE integration for Mac OS X and for Windows Mar 19 06:03:45 why not for Linux??? Mar 19 06:03:51 i haven't used qt ceator yet Mar 19 06:04:01 *madde qt creator integration Mar 19 06:05:14 I'm thinking of proposing it as a summer of code project Mar 19 06:05:52 hmm Mar 19 06:06:59 sounds like an idea Mar 19 06:08:08 I'm not sure who to talk to about that. Mar 19 06:13:50 since it will need a mentor and getting good feedback and communication during themproposal phase is important. Mar 19 07:07:51 so Mar 19 07:07:52 maemo contacts Mar 19 07:08:00 exports to a csv file per contact Mar 19 07:08:11 where most everything else on this planet wants one csv file for all contacts Mar 19 07:08:14 thats just awesome Mar 19 07:11:00 acidjazz: how you had exported contacts?? Mar 19 07:11:39 rmrfchik: if thats english.. im guessing you're asking me how i exported my n900 contacts? Mar 19 07:12:06 that is engRish Mar 19 07:12:20 ;D Mar 19 07:12:51 i guess, u expoted via menu. i want some automated way. Mar 19 07:15:27 why? Mar 19 07:17:04 http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ Mar 19 07:19:58 mece: cool Mar 19 07:20:10 have you tried it yet? Mar 19 07:24:27 rmrfchik: under the settings Mar 19 07:24:34 i figured it out btw Mar 19 07:24:38 cat *.vcf > all.vcf Mar 19 07:24:44 add a \r before each BEGIN in vim Mar 19 07:27:20 dmj726_n900, I'm working on it. My brother has some gl test projects that he's been working on that I'll try it on. Mar 19 07:33:04 timeless_mbp: want to backup concatcs Mar 19 07:33:09 contacts Mar 19 07:34:49 you could just steal the .db files... Mar 19 07:35:19 and how to deal with it when n900 dies? Mar 19 07:35:31 ? Mar 19 07:35:42 as in restore? or use on another platform? Mar 19 07:35:51 another platofrm Mar 19 07:36:03 platform.. (wtf with my fingers??) Mar 19 07:36:31 iirc it's sqlite, i'm sure someone will provide a script that lets you export Mar 19 07:37:13 jhejsan nu provar jag att skicka random text Mar 19 07:37:19 yea stealing the .db would be sweeter quicker and more fun Mar 19 07:37:20 spännande.. Mar 19 07:37:32 it is sqlite Mar 19 07:37:42 sqlite all u need is a query Mar 19 07:37:48 well it's not stealing if you already own it.. Mar 19 07:38:05 it's pirating!!! Mar 19 07:38:18 contactz.torrent Mar 19 07:38:22 lol Mar 19 07:38:35 torrent.contac.tz Mar 19 07:38:53 l33t Mar 19 07:39:18 so, as far as contacts the application (always?) running on your n900 is concerned, *it* owns the file, not you Mar 19 07:39:22 so it is stealing Mar 19 07:39:35 doh, grab ~/MyDocs/backups Mar 19 07:39:39 that's why i use the term Mar 19 07:40:09 rmrfchik: i kinda assumed you had an issue w/ backup, … it seemed too obvious Mar 19 07:40:42 i saw ".db" in backups and feel uncomfortable Mar 19 07:40:50 (don't like binary formats) Mar 19 07:41:25 there's a recent blog post somewhere which lists the n900 profile files and their formats Mar 19 07:41:33 it specifically covered at least this file Mar 19 07:41:42 i'm sure you can find it Mar 19 07:41:54 thankfully at this point nokia isn't in the business of making proprietary database formats Mar 19 07:42:08 … proprietary database schemas? sure, formats? nah Mar 19 07:48:57 I'm trying to figure out what service name and object path in dbus to use for requesting a text channel to send gabber messages, does anyone know? Mar 19 07:52:17 rmrfchik, there might be some useful database related stuff under /usr/share/tracker Mar 19 07:52:56 Anssi__: nice!! thanks Mar 19 08:09:20 hello, all Mar 19 08:10:14 Stskeeps, moo Mar 19 08:11:28 moom Mar 19 08:12:32 heya, how are you? Mar 19 08:13:29 i'm good Mar 19 08:14:18 * jaem is hacking at his uni research Mar 19 08:14:35 I've been in "maintenance mode" for a while, just keeping my code up with everyone else's Mar 19 08:14:43 which has meant that I haven't made much progress Mar 19 08:14:47 this is changing... :) Mar 19 08:14:53 anyhow, that brings me to my question Mar 19 08:15:00 which I figured you might be a good person to ask Mar 19 08:15:45 when we initially started this project, I was the only person with any Maemo experience at all (I convinced my prof to ask Nokia for N900s instead of N97s) Mar 19 08:16:04 and for development, we have a mix of Win/Lin/Mac Mar 19 08:16:16 guys, is there some way of setting "invisible" in the IM client? maybe through dbus to telepathy? Mar 19 08:16:45 so we end up with a lot of messiness surrounding build config and deployment for testing Mar 19 08:16:46 Shapeshifter: that sounds like courting disaster Mar 19 08:16:54 timeless_mbp: huh Mar 19 08:17:08 osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgid "pres_bd_jabber_invisible" Mar 19 08:17:08 osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgstr "Invisible" Mar 19 08:17:08 osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgid "pres_bd_skype_invisible" Mar 19 08:17:08 osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgstr "Invisible" Mar 19 08:17:08 osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgid "pres_bd_gtalk_invisible" Mar 19 08:17:08 osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgstr "Invisible" Mar 19 08:17:20 according to the localization text there's some support for invisible Mar 19 08:17:28 * timeless_mbp wonders how that works Mar 19 08:17:50 Stskeeps, is there any way to remix the FIASCO images for the N900? I realize there are licensing issues surrounding distribution, but it would be nice if I could provide a standard install for internal use, so I don't have to deal with everyone doing things different ways Mar 19 08:17:57 timeless_mbp: :| I remember a week ago or so I looked into profile switching through dbus but it's impossible because mission-control isn't implemented for telepathy on the n900. Mar 19 08:18:06 it's totally crippled. half the telepathy dbus interface isn't there. Mar 19 08:18:09 I just want to bundle a few things and preset some config Mar 19 08:18:37 I could do it with a script applied to a fresh install, or a special metapackage, but this would be nicer in some ways Mar 19 08:18:38 jaem: if it's inside a company, noone's going to care Mar 19 08:18:53 jaem: flasher lets you disassemble and reassemble images Mar 19 08:19:00 Stskeeps, well, it's not a company, but probably comparable for these purposes Mar 19 08:19:01 once you've done that, you get jffs2 or ubifs images Mar 19 08:19:10 timeless_mbp, okay, that's what I was looking for Mar 19 08:19:10 if you can mount them, you can rewrite them Mar 19 08:19:22 awesome. Mar 19 08:19:36 any links to docs on that? Mar 19 08:19:49 ./flasher-3.5 —help ? :) Mar 19 08:19:49 wow. Mar 19 08:19:53 hehe Mar 19 08:19:54 that is pretty cool. Mar 19 08:20:05 oddly i think the help isn't that bad Mar 19 08:20:09 * jaem nods Mar 19 08:20:14 maybe it's because it was written by engineers? Mar 19 08:20:18 :) Mar 19 08:20:32 hmm... maybe I should go with a package-based setup route Mar 19 08:20:35 hi, anyone online who has some experience with evolution and python? I am try to generate a a list of phone numbers for each contact in my addressbook. But I am stuck at this point (the doku is very unpleasant) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/191455/ Mar 19 08:20:40 for econtact in contacts: numbers = econtact.get_property('phone') ; print numbers Mar 19 08:20:44 (i know, any other company in the world, and having them as the writers would be a bad thing, but well...) Mar 19 08:20:49 I get a pointer... and I dont know how to address the data of the pointer Mar 19 08:21:01 that way I could just deploy updates to everyone's phone if we had to alter things Mar 19 08:21:29 timeless_mbp, Stskeeps, another question Mar 19 08:21:43 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/your-repo-here.list Mar 19 08:21:54 timeless_mbp, yes, I know how to do that Mar 19 08:22:06 I'm trying to think of the best way to do it, since it obviously can't be public Mar 19 08:22:30 it's an internal project, some of which is/may be released as FOSS, but for now it's mostly under wraps Mar 19 08:23:06 you could probably have a package which on first update rewrites that file with user+auth credentials Mar 19 08:23:18 mm? Mar 19 08:23:23 then if a user turns out to be evil, you turn them off at the server Mar 19 08:23:27 ah Mar 19 08:23:34 does apt support credentials, though? Mar 19 08:23:43 ham does :) Mar 19 08:24:06 that's how we test things :) Mar 19 08:24:43 timeless_mbp, that would be good, then... what sort of authentication method does it use? Mar 19 08:24:49 it sounds like I'd need the same sort of setup Mar 19 08:25:39 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 19 08:25:40 not certain, my guess is http basic auth (over https=ssl) Mar 19 08:28:46 Mh. I installed bash but I can't find it. where does it get installed to? Mar 19 08:29:04 dpkg -l Mar 19 08:29:07 err dpkg -L bash Mar 19 08:30:11 timeless_mbp: thanks Mar 19 08:31:52 >.> Mar 19 08:32:48 root@Nokia-N900-02-08:~/scripts# ./lounge -oa foo bar ----> rbash: ./lounge: restricted: cannot specify '/' in command names Mar 19 08:33:23 oh wait Mar 19 08:33:25 rbash Mar 19 08:33:42 but the /bin/bash isn't bash. it's ash. Mar 19 08:33:54 and dpkg -L doesn't show anything else besides these two. Mar 19 08:34:26 fuckin fuck. whaddayamean "error: SDL.h: No such file or directory" Mar 19 08:34:31 grr argh Mar 19 08:35:03 and the stupid ash doesn't understand [[ $var =~ foo|bar ]] Mar 19 08:35:51 that's a bashism Mar 19 08:36:02 only zsh and bash understand that Mar 19 08:36:31 and bash used to use Mar 19 08:36:47 and bash used to use "[[ $var =~ 'foo|bar' ]]" Mar 19 08:39:38 sure it's a bashism. It's a bash script Mar 19 08:39:56 If I wasn't writing a bash script, I'd be writing a sh script ;) Mar 19 08:40:14 that's why I installed bash. but I can't find it Mar 19 08:40:24 Is there any Emulator for Maemo ? Mar 19 08:40:34 kunal: yes, any. Mar 19 08:40:50 well almost Mar 19 08:41:23 Shapeshifter: can you send me the link to it ? Mar 19 08:42:39 kunal: you mean an "emulator" that runs you a maemo? I thought you meant emulators _for_ maemo. as in SNES, GBA. Anyway, I think you want the SDK. Mar 19 08:43:06 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ Mar 19 08:43:39 Shapeshifter: thank you ! Mar 19 08:44:23 * noobmonk3y yawns Mar 19 08:44:28 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk Mar 19 08:44:32 :D Mar 19 08:44:53 heh, there is a link to new N900 Guide on Nokia site. Highlites are: videchat, browser in portrait mode, mail widget Mar 19 08:44:56 apt-get update noobmonk3y Mar 19 08:44:59 oooo Mar 19 08:45:01 me or you? Mar 19 08:45:05 or the world? Mar 19 08:45:12 hello Mar 19 08:45:16 hey crk Mar 19 08:45:29 * noobmonk3y eeeeeeks, 12 mins till work and i'm still in bed..... Mar 19 08:45:31 rmrfchik, link? Mar 19 08:45:43 http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf Mar 19 08:45:47 thanks Mar 19 08:45:52 has anyone tried decoding a .264 file on N900 using gst-launch and dspvdec ? Mar 19 08:46:10 lol Mar 19 08:46:20 I can play .mp4 using playbin Mar 19 08:46:34 but not a simple .264 without any container Mar 19 08:46:41 any help is really appreciated Mar 19 08:46:48 lcuk (You talking bout the uk firmware update? - i almost got excited then....) - i'm on the global Mar 19 08:47:21 Hello All ! Mar 19 08:47:26 morning Khertan Mar 19 08:47:27 :D Mar 19 08:48:23 and there is a topic in forum: New firmware update this morning in the UK 3.2010.02-8.201.1 Mar 19 08:48:54 Morning, all Mar 19 08:49:08 mornin Jaffa Mar 19 08:49:26 hehe... I just had FF murdering my CPU and X murdering my RAM... Mar 19 08:49:36 and all I could think about was that I would have *noticed* on my old computer Mar 19 08:49:42 and this laptop isn't even that great Mar 19 08:49:50 I suspect there is a bug in something Mar 19 08:50:05 which seems to manifest when I have GMail open in FF lately Mar 19 08:50:28 but yeah... my dual-Atom desktop would have bombed if that had had happened Mar 19 08:51:04 :''''''( no curl in the repos Mar 19 08:51:21 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=337 Mar 19 08:51:32 hehe Mar 19 08:51:38 they did a pretty good job with that Mar 19 08:53:42 hmm... Mar 19 08:54:02 is SDL in maemo compiled without X11 support? Mar 19 08:54:25 since maemo uses X11 it'd be kind-of weird imho Mar 19 08:54:32 you'd think Mar 19 08:54:50 I get a error: 'SDL_SysWMinfo' has no member named 'window' Mar 19 08:56:23 how many days does the n800 battery last? Mar 19 08:56:46 I am thinking if I should sell my nokia e90 and get some small 3g phone with 900 MHz 3g support Mar 19 08:56:52 and use the n800 for web Mar 19 08:57:39 mece, I've fiddled with an SDL app on Diablo without issue Mar 19 08:58:20 which reminds me... I really should take another look at it. I did a basic port for a bounty, and then kind of pigeon-holed it... which was not technically wrong, but I feel kind of bad at the state I left it in Mar 19 09:00:05 I created /home/var/lib; moved /var/lib/apt to /home/var/lib and symlinked it. Hope it will free rootfs a bit Mar 19 09:00:53 jaem, naturally sdl works. Mar 19 09:01:10 -sjansen Mar 19 09:01:19 ok so SDL_SysWMinfo is different from somerthing.. Mar 19 09:02:01 ok so this thing wants SDL_SysWMinfo info; info.window but it should be info.info.x11.window Mar 19 09:02:04 apparently. Mar 19 09:04:08 Hi. I got N900 and maemo 5. Now i want to add bookmarklets but i dont have folder for bookmarklets. What to do? Mar 19 09:06:02 iPeter-_, are you just asking how to create bookmark folders, or something else? Mar 19 09:07:12 jaem: Kinda yes. I tought it is automatically there Mar 19 09:07:43 is it possible to have maemo 5 on n810? Mar 19 09:07:56 or no point cos of the difference in hw? Mar 19 09:07:56 Default, not really, no. Mar 19 09:08:36 Default, work is being done to get something similar afaik Mar 19 09:09:17 cool, are there any testing versions that could be tried? Mar 19 09:09:21 iPeter-_, also, what do you mean by "bookmarklets"? Mar 19 09:09:38 Default, Stskeeps is the guy in charge of that Mar 19 09:09:53 Default, yes, but nothing easy and ready to go Mar 19 09:10:05 you're probably better off waiting unless you want to help with development Mar 19 09:10:25 well i dont mind helping out with deving :) Mar 19 09:10:49 link coming up... Mar 19 09:11:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mar 19 09:11:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551557 Mar 19 09:11:45 if you want to help. then as I said, ping Stskeeps Mar 19 09:11:47 oh yes, ive read about mer Mar 19 09:11:51 on #mer Mar 19 09:11:55 yeah, read the forum thread Mar 19 09:11:58 things have changed Mar 19 09:12:06 ok Mar 19 09:12:10 thanks :) Mar 19 09:38:02 Hello, my N900 won't update OTA, despite having 60.5MB in rootfs free. If I use the PC updater instead, will I lose settings / installed packages / files? Thanks. Mar 19 09:41:00 cpm, you can back them up with the backup tool Mar 19 09:41:18 backup to sdcard, flash from computer, re-install backup when it's rebooted Mar 19 09:42:18 cpm, what's the error it's giving you? Mar 19 09:42:25 also, are you doing this through HAM? Mar 19 09:42:31 App Manager, that is Mar 19 09:43:23 i don't see any updates :( Mar 19 09:43:25 Yes, app manager, click the update, continue button, "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC" Mar 19 09:43:48 this is the generic uk version of 1.1.1 which was released yesterday/today. Mar 19 09:44:03 cpm: wow, we released 1.1.1 for uk? Mar 19 09:44:28 cpm: you can try asking apt-get to do the update Mar 19 09:44:35 yes, have a look at active topics column on the right of talk.maemo.org Mar 19 09:44:42 there's probably a wiki page that covers pitfalls and has suggestions Mar 19 09:46:26 Reading around, it seems the suggestion is to create rootfs space, but someone claims to have upgraded with 45MB, whereas I have 60MB Mar 19 09:46:37 What's the package name to do it via apt-get? Mar 19 09:47:27 battery's fully charged, have rebooted phone (and tried taking battery out too) Mar 19 09:47:36 apt-get clean is prolly a good thing Mar 19 09:47:59 sorry, forgot to say I've already done an apt-get clean too. Mar 19 09:49:39 cpm, you have conflicting packages. Mar 19 09:50:00 cpm, if there were not enough room it would say that there's not enough roo, Mar 19 09:50:02 m Mar 19 09:52:14 "apt-get upgrade" lists 56 packages that can be upgraded - is doing this a good idea? Mar 19 09:52:20 woo! Mar 19 09:52:36 cpm, don't do that Mar 19 09:52:46 A ssu! Mar 19 09:52:51 * SpeedEvil is overjoyed! Mar 19 09:52:57 SpeedEvil, que? Mar 19 09:53:19 s/overjoyed/slightly mollified to the extent of not hunting down and drenching in manure the perpetrators of the delay./ Mar 19 09:53:30 cpm, I think it was some Qt packages that were conflicting. I'm not sure. Mar 19 09:56:42 cpm, openarena and ioquake3 are conflicting for example. I had to remove those to install OTA. Mar 19 09:58:13 I did have openarena but have removed it, packges with qt in their names seem to be version 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 Mar 19 09:58:37 * SpeedEvil goes into the garden to prepare to compost the unused manure. Mar 19 09:59:06 cpm, those are the conflicting ones. There's a list. But I haven't found it yet. Mar 19 09:59:34 hmm 'operation failed' banner at the start - but it's carrying on. Mar 19 10:00:11 i think my localization actually points to the page w/ the list :) Mar 19 10:00:14 * timeless_mbp should check Mar 19 10:01:31 "Can't install this system update over the air. " Mar 19 10:01:31 "See http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update " Mar 19 10:01:31 "for more information. Connect to a PC with a USB cable and " Mar 19 10:01:31 "use Nokia PC Suite or Nokia Software Update." Mar 19 10:01:31 "You should have a backup to keep your packages and settings." Mar 19 10:01:58 that lists 2 at the bottom Mar 19 10:02:08 could someone add the list of the Qt evils there? Mar 19 10:02:50 hrm, that string doesn't say what using those apps would do... Mar 19 10:02:52 * timeless_mbp fixes Mar 19 10:03:39 monkeys fly out of the earphone socket. Mar 19 10:03:54 also, you can, if you're daring, just go apt-get dist-upgrade Mar 19 10:04:06 Oh wow - they updated the starting graphic - it's now Mr Hands. Mar 19 10:04:14 LOL Mar 19 10:04:47 cpm: hey Mar 19 10:04:51 before you fix your system Mar 19 10:04:56 could you try installing my localization? Mar 19 10:05:07 i'd like to know how it feels when you get those can't update messages Mar 19 10:07:10 timeless_mbp, I initially read that as "I'd like to know how it feels when you can't get those update messages", and, forgetting that it was an english localization pack, thought "you jerk!" :P Mar 19 10:07:45 "before you fix things, let me revel in your confusion over the brokenness!" Mar 19 10:07:46 ;) Mar 19 10:08:37 * noobmonk3y blinks Mar 19 10:09:01 * jaem slaps noobmonk3y with a trout while his eyes are closed Mar 19 10:09:22 wohooooooooooooooooooo! Mar 19 10:09:24 ~bite noobmonk3y Mar 19 10:09:25 * infobot takes a big bite out of noobmonk3y's jugular vein Mar 19 10:09:27 thats damn quick trout slapping! Mar 19 10:09:32 * noobmonk3y giggles Mar 19 10:09:43 violent bunch this morning :D Mar 19 10:10:01 nah, it's afternoon already :) Mar 19 10:10:01 Arif_: - shouldn't be studying, or learning or something useful? ;) Mar 19 10:10:04 lol timeless_mbp Mar 19 10:10:11 they get violent at feeding time Mar 19 10:10:13 they're sharks... Mar 19 10:10:17 also, very good point Mar 19 10:10:38 timeless_mbp, no, no, no... that's NetBSD you're thinking of, not Maemo Mar 19 10:10:40 hrm, did cpm run away? Mar 19 10:12:14 usewhat? Mar 19 10:12:15 :P Mar 19 10:13:30 lol Mar 19 10:14:42 it's true... NetBSD installations *are* the leading cause of shark attacks Mar 19 10:14:51 you can't argue with Randall Munroe Mar 19 10:19:39 brb Mar 19 10:27:09 sorry, didn't intentionally run away, got disconnected. I did have libqt4-phonon installed (when I tried out freoffice) as referenced at http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting, but have removed it along with everything else freoffice related. Mar 19 10:44:20 cpm: so Mar 19 10:44:32 if you're still in the unhappy state Mar 19 10:44:37 could i ask you to try my localization? Mar 19 10:44:44 i want to know how it feels when you get those errors Mar 19 10:46:58 timeless_mbp: what's it invoke? Mar 19 10:48:42 timeless_mbp, sorry, I may have already asked, but do you have a link to info on what you were talking about regarding auth in HAM? Mar 19 10:48:52 Morning, all Mar 19 10:49:07 not handy Mar 19 10:49:11 I'd like to got talk to my prof about that and some other things tomorrow, and I'd like to know what I'm talking about Mar 19 10:49:14 and i need to book a flight, hotel and other stuff Mar 19 10:49:21 ha - sure, then Mar 19 10:49:22 sorry Mar 19 10:49:31 i think you can find the commit that adds the stuff in ham's repo Mar 19 10:49:50 great, thanks Mar 19 10:55:15 is there way to sey SMS validity period? Mar 19 10:55:21 to set Mar 19 10:58:57 rmrfchik, no Mar 19 10:59:56 * noobmonk3y has just received a 9 page email.... omfg essay! Mar 19 11:01:12 noobmonk3y, now, select all, increase font size to 72 Mar 19 11:01:14 hit print Mar 19 11:01:22 stick it in a box Mar 19 11:01:29 send box back to recipient Mar 19 11:01:30 * noobmonk3y just tried that... thats kinda scary! Mar 19 11:01:37 well without the print Mar 19 11:02:40 Gonna reply and set my font to white pn a white background... lets see how clever this guy is? :D Mar 19 11:03:40 morning Mar 19 11:03:43 moooooaning Mar 19 11:03:47 moorning Mar 19 11:03:57 good moaning. Mar 19 11:05:12 good moaning v bad moanings..... lol Mar 19 11:07:11 so sygic finally relesed their navi for maemo Mar 19 11:09:36 ooo does it work? Mar 19 11:09:52 no idea - no demo, only purchase Mar 19 11:10:11 lol Mar 19 11:11:33 hrw . . . awesome. Mar 19 11:12:12 not tried it yet, but then the tomtom still has a use :D Mar 19 11:14:21 so far I am staying with tomtom too Mar 19 11:14:58 :D Mar 19 11:15:15 have to say my n900 has a better battery life then the tomtom though - tis a close battle ;) Mar 19 11:18:31 noobmonk3y: I use tomtom in car so battery life does not matter Mar 19 11:22:47 good point hrw - i have mine in the car - but not plummed in, so use the cigarette lighter charger thingy Mar 19 11:29:21 noobmonk3y: I do not have 'in-car' tomtom Mar 19 11:55:34 hi Mar 19 11:56:04 what happens when I execute python in maemo5's builder? Mar 19 11:56:22 will I execute sb's python like in diablo? Mar 19 11:56:54 thopiekar: if you call just "python", yes. To avoid that, call "python2.5" explicitely Mar 19 12:01:38 lizardo: is python2.5 also used on maemo5? I thought it would be the time to use a newer python on a newer device.. :P Mar 19 12:06:50 thopiekar: packaging problems prevented from puttting 2.6 for Maemo 5 launch, now it is too late to introduce it without breaking existing applications, and benefits do not justify the risks (plus the horrible /opt situation) expect that to change for Maemo 6, though Mar 19 12:08:17 better for me.. that makes it easier to make packages for canola that switch between maemo and desktop environments.. Mar 19 12:08:37 * thopiekar is now working on desktop/maemo compatible packages.. Mar 19 12:13:19 no chance of vcs/ics -calendar files in Maemo calendar :( Mar 19 12:13:25 hopefully in the future though Mar 19 12:13:39 this is certainly a feature is miss from my N95 Mar 19 12:14:18 all participants having to type in the data for a meeting is /sssooooo/ last season :^) Mar 19 12:14:45 tekonivel, there should be some .ics related news when it comes to PR1.2 Mar 19 12:15:01 although I'm not 100% certain Mar 19 12:15:18 get the PDF manual, it describes all the new PR1.2 features Mar 19 12:15:22 TomaszD: i sure hope Mar 19 12:15:34 TomaszD: will do, thanks for the tip Mar 19 12:20:03 yo Mar 19 12:20:09 wassup bitches? Mar 19 12:20:27 TomaszD: you don't have the url to the manual at hand, per chance? Mar 19 12:20:42 crashanddie: just pimpin' Mar 19 12:20:53 crashanddie, yo. Mar 19 12:21:09 weather in London sucks Mar 19 12:22:48 tekonivel, there you go http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf Mar 19 12:23:12 all the info you need, group chat support, Internet video calls, night mode for camera, etc. Mar 19 12:24:52 tekonivel, "You can import downloaded or local files with the .ics file Mar 19 12:24:52 extension to your calendar." Mar 19 12:25:05 not sure if that's what you need or this is already present in current firmware Mar 19 12:25:49 TomaszD: thanks for the link Mar 19 12:26:01 np Mar 19 12:27:25 yeah ics -files can be imported (page 104) Mar 19 12:27:51 well, you have to wait a while for the new firmware then Mar 19 12:28:39 it's funny how I suggested replacing the Now Playing "animated equalizer" icon with a Play icon in the Media Player, and they did (page 92) Mar 19 12:30:46 the only disappointing thing is no voice turn-by-turn navigation, and maybe... perhaps... MMS Mar 19 12:30:53 MM$ Mar 19 12:30:55 TomaszD: manual was updated for 1.2? Mar 19 12:31:01 Corsac, oh yeah Mar 19 12:32:08 the SDK got updated, today Mar 19 12:32:20 sweet Mar 19 12:32:45 nice Mar 19 12:32:51 so we can expect 1.2 within a week? Mar 19 12:33:16 Personally I'm skeptical, but it would be nice. Mar 19 12:33:16 * tekonivel is left wondering if exporting (let alone emailing) single ics/vcs files from the ccalendear will be available in PR1.2... Mar 19 12:33:52 here's a compiled list of changes taken from the manual http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=572648&postcount=330 Mar 19 12:34:00 thanjs Mar 19 12:34:02 k Mar 19 12:34:05 is there qt 4.7 in 1.2? Mar 19 12:34:16 Anssi__, there will be in extras-devel Mar 19 12:34:28 ok Mar 19 12:34:53 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/03/17/experimental-qt-47-packages-for-the-n900/ Mar 19 12:35:19 you are right, i remembered wrongly Mar 19 12:35:40 is it possible to have an external usb audio in n800? Mar 19 12:35:56 mortal, no, no host mode support unfortunately Mar 19 12:36:00 oh Mar 19 12:36:02 n800 Mar 19 12:36:09 I read n900 :) Mar 19 12:37:19 mortal, I don't think the default kernel has USB audio class driver Mar 19 12:37:32 I would say that it's possible with much tinkering Mar 19 12:38:06 it would be nice to use the n800 as a radio modem Mar 19 12:38:12 for digital signalling on the radio bands Mar 19 12:38:22 no 3g video in the works, it seems. i wonder what video-enabled voip-services exist, that anyone i know is using... can't think of any. Well Skype perhaps Mar 19 12:38:30 google Mar 19 12:38:43 it already for incoming calls Mar 19 12:38:53 but no way to start an outgoing video call over googletalk Mar 19 12:38:53 tekonivel, I think the video-enabled Internet call is only applicable to Google Talk Mar 19 12:39:10 I seriously doubt it will work for Skype Mar 19 12:39:16 ShadowJK: none of the people i know in real life (ie. outside of n900-fandom) uses that Mar 19 12:39:18 too bad Mar 19 12:39:20 whatever... Mar 19 12:39:42 I don't know anyone who has even heard of 3g video calls either, so :) Mar 19 12:40:22 ShadowJK: lol true that too. but i have more friends with 3g+enable phone tan ppl with Google Talk with video on their phone Mar 19 12:43:30 yep, VoIP video calls is what the manual says, technically Skype is also VoIP, but... Mar 19 12:43:45 I say Jabber+jingle (gtalk) only Mar 19 12:47:12 ~curse igor stoppa and rest of nokia crap team Mar 19 12:47:14 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, igor stoppa and rest of nokia crap team ! Mar 19 12:47:32 hrw: what'd they do now? Mar 19 12:48:28 can I change the password of user 'user' without any consequences to the device? Mar 19 12:48:42 I changed the root password Mar 19 12:48:47 Stskeeps: usual stuff - meego is open and n900 will run it blebleble Mar 19 12:49:14 standard crap Mar 19 12:49:20 hrw: well, yes Mar 19 12:49:45 there's probably going to be hardware support repositories just like in Mer, the current embedded world can't get rid of it's blobs Mar 19 12:50:25 i mean, if SGX libs and BME would be redistributable.. Mar 19 12:50:30 nor PC world :) Mar 19 12:50:49 why won't it let me update maemo 5 via the repos Mar 19 12:50:51 Stskeeps: hell will freeze, pigs will fly etc when nokia will release linux powered device which will not need closed stuff for basic x11 on battery with networking Mar 19 12:51:15 its asking me to use the nokia software suite Mar 19 12:51:17 Stskeeps: sgx have better license then bme I think Mar 19 12:51:35 openstandards, how much free space? got ioquake installed? Mar 19 12:51:37 hrw: i personally don't care if it has no practical consequences for me in terms of development.. there can be a BME blob just fine from my point of view Mar 19 12:51:51 ShadowJK, yea i do Mar 19 12:52:07 Stskeeps: I can download sgx tarballs and create packages from them. Koen Kooi got lot of sgx handling sorted on OE and TI sides Mar 19 12:52:28 hrw: but can you distribute those packages? :P Mar 19 12:52:28 Stskeeps: BME on glibc or uclibc systems? I do not like big static binary Mar 19 12:52:40 did you ask nokia for a uclibc bme? Mar 19 12:52:40 :P Mar 19 12:53:06 or me, for that sake, so i can push that upstream Mar 19 12:53:06 I can build uclibc system for any (OE supported) device with OE Mar 19 12:53:08 btw are the kernel sources for the n900 published in a useful format. the mega patch from the source deb is not Mar 19 12:53:22 janneg: not really a proper usable format Mar 19 12:53:22 janneg: thats the only source Mar 19 12:53:56 janneg: did not you forgot that this is nokia? they do only some parts in open way Mar 19 12:54:14 nokia kernel is semi-open. sources are open, development is closed Mar 19 12:54:19 * janneg continues patching linux-omap.git Mar 19 12:57:19 hrw: aren't you a little to negative about nokia? Mar 19 12:57:25 s/ to / too / Mar 19 12:57:27 ptl meant: hrw: aren't you a little too negative about nokia? Mar 19 12:57:33 seems so :) Mar 19 12:58:39 I haven't seen hrw say one positive thing since I've been here Mar 19 12:59:10 ptl: n900 is my 3rd tablet from nokia - none of them works good without closed components Mar 19 12:59:26 it's like he's punishing himself Mar 19 12:59:48 hrw, if you want such an open device you'll need to get yourself a neo freerunner Mar 19 12:59:51 TomaszD: from time to time I am saying positive things about software and hardware Mar 19 12:59:59 openstandards: I have 2 neo1973 Mar 19 13:00:05 2??? Mar 19 13:00:20 yes, 2 Mar 19 13:00:22 and which is better? Mar 19 13:00:25 that's what I call dedication Mar 19 13:00:29 gta01bv3 and gta01bv4 Mar 19 13:00:30 hrw, it's just that... you act as if someone is forcing you to be here Mar 19 13:00:48 Nokia needs critics Mar 19 13:01:02 it's just that hrw puts the whole scenario in such an... unsolvable way :( Mar 19 13:01:08 I'd like that not to be true Mar 19 13:01:09 Shapeshifter: yay :-S http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=573276&postcount=86 Mar 19 13:01:18 it's all or nothing for hrw, it would seem Mar 19 13:01:23 what is preventing from reverse engineer the bme stuff? Mar 19 13:01:33 pants in fire? :p Mar 19 13:02:44 ynezz: cost of device if something goes wrong Mar 19 13:02:58 you can have the bettery outside Mar 19 13:03:07 that's not the problem Mar 19 13:03:27 hrw, can't you insure it and if anything goes wrong drop it in water? :D Mar 19 13:04:08 maybe buying it to someone skilled enough to reverse it Mar 19 13:04:51 there won't be anything to go wrong Mar 19 13:05:53 hrw: the main problem is we don't (yet?) know what's the battery charger chip labeled N1140 Mar 19 13:06:21 hrw, what would you do if you had all the components you needed open and properly licensed to your liking? Put a worse distribution on the device? Mar 19 13:06:29 but we know there's N1130 BQ27200 battery monitor Mar 19 13:07:14 (well we hope that's the actual truth) Mar 19 13:07:32 TomaszD: s/worse/other/ Mar 19 13:08:29 janneg, a linux phone distribution, there is no better than maemo 5. So my point stands. The freerunner distros are laughable in comparison. Mar 19 13:08:57 TomaszD: if nokia will release bme for 770/n8x0 then I will be able to make use of them Mar 19 13:09:16 DocScrutinizer, why is the new software update telling me to connect it via usb and update that way Mar 19 13:09:17 hrw: so you can do quite educated guess about how to read out actual battery charging and other ststes Mar 19 13:09:21 hrw, how, have you you been helping the Mer effort at all or making something yourself? Mar 19 13:09:23 TomaszD: 770 runs os2006 with 2.6.16 kernel - it is more then obsolete now. Mar 19 13:09:48 damn I feel dirty. after all these years, I've enternet another bug in the bugzilla. I feel like godfather. Mar 19 13:09:58 hrw, the hardware is also more than obsolete, what better use would you have for it if you had the components open? Mar 19 13:10:02 TomaszD: I did lot of testing of Poky Linux on 770/n8x0, worked on getting Maemo and Poky Linux working in N8x0 qemu emulation Mar 19 13:10:22 openstandards: please refer to wiki. I don't know a bit more than what's written there Mar 19 13:10:36 well we can end this now, I've never even heard of Poky Linux Mar 19 13:10:38 TomaszD: obsolete from normal user point of view. Mar 19 13:10:50 ok thanks DocScrutinizer :) Mar 19 13:11:08 TomaszD: did you tried embedded linux development at all? or rather just use consumer electronics devices? Mar 19 13:11:38 I work with different ARM devices for 6 years now Mar 19 13:11:39 hrw, the latter Mar 19 13:12:16 i dont suppose texrat is around here? Mar 19 13:12:18 developer boards, prototypes, consumer electronics devices, phones, palmtops, tablets, industrial cameras, ebook readers Mar 19 13:12:24 hrw, so there are no satisfying arm devices for linux development? or are you trying to make something a viable platform that isn't meant to be one? Mar 19 13:12:26 tomaw notice is funny. For sure won't reach the recipients Mar 19 13:12:44 DocScrutinizer: yep Mar 19 13:13:22 Elvaron, rarely Mar 19 13:13:29 i see Mar 19 13:13:50 TomaszD: I have friends which use 6 years old linux palmtops for different wifi related things - they would be happy to be able to upgrade from zaurus to n810 when it would run their system Mar 19 13:14:11 can anyone explain to me what the expression "you're in the ballpark" means ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43519&page=8 second to last post, by texrat) ? Mar 19 13:14:14 and no, using x86 laptops/netbooks is not an option Mar 19 13:14:40 it is an idiom for 'you are close to correct' Mar 19 13:14:41 TomaszD: but I prefer to end this talk as we have different uses Mar 19 13:14:56 Elvaron, "you're close (to the solution/problem)" Mar 19 13:15:01 huh Mar 19 13:15:08 hrw, ok. So maybe, just maybe... Nokias are not a good platform and you should look for something else rather than complain. Or complain where it matters, to Nokia, not in a blog or here Mar 19 13:15:18 but I guess... yes, we can end this. Mar 19 13:15:25 well thanks, i thought he was somehow insulting me in a smart way that i dont get... but okay :) Mar 19 13:15:40 hrw, whats wrong with the neo1973? Mar 19 13:15:51 LOL# Mar 19 13:15:56 openstandards: slow, no wifi Mar 19 13:16:05 ...no wifi? Mar 19 13:16:17 damn thats sucky Mar 19 13:16:32 the freerunner doesn't have wifi? Mar 19 13:16:35 thomaz: openstandards: but it got stereo speakers ;-P Mar 19 13:16:47 lmao Mar 19 13:16:48 thomaz: FR has Mar 19 13:16:57 I guess I'm thomaz now lol Mar 19 13:17:01 TomaszD: freerunner != neo1973 Mar 19 13:17:07 but only mono speakers due to that Mar 19 13:17:07 oh, didn't realize Mar 19 13:17:24 TomaszD: I know that for most of people openmoko == openmoko neo freerunner (aka gta02) Mar 19 13:17:40 TomaszD: but there was gta01 (neo1973) first Mar 19 13:17:50 and for even more Neo = FR Mar 19 13:17:54 yep Mar 19 13:18:15 well I'll have a FR next week hopefully, fix it and then I'll judge :) Mar 19 13:18:17 while correct names are Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) and Neo 1973 (GTA01) Mar 19 13:18:29 how long will the battery last on n800 when surfing with wifi and with bluetooth? Mar 19 13:18:32 continuous Mar 19 13:18:37 TomaszD: and I was one of 50 developers from so called 'phase0' which got devices before they were available on market Mar 19 13:18:56 hrw, I know, I read your blog and was jelous at the time Mar 19 13:19:31 TomaszD: I can borrow you gta01bv3 if you want to play with it Mar 19 13:19:38 seemed like a neat idea, but rather than focusing on one good distro, things got fragmented as usual Mar 19 13:19:47 btw, has anyone experienced network type misdetection with N900? mine detects a WPA/WPA2 network as WEP (authentication is pretty much impossible for obvious reasons). Mar 19 13:19:52 hrw, no thanks, I'll get one on lease from Stskeeps next week Mar 19 13:19:55 TomaszD: my gta01bv4 is now in shr developer hands Mar 19 13:20:02 mortal, about 6-8 hours of surfing Mar 19 13:20:09 hah, I knew it Mar 19 13:20:16 Stskeeps: heretic!!!! Mar 19 13:20:29 ShadowJK: great Mar 19 13:20:52 DocScrutinizer, don't worry, I'll try not to destroy it while fixing the USB receptacle :P Mar 19 13:20:53 anyway time to get back to work Mar 19 13:21:10 bug 2.0 (omap3 based) waits for tweaks Mar 19 13:21:15 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2 Static linking under SDK-PC does not work Mar 19 13:21:30 heh Mar 19 13:21:31 bug 1 Mar 19 13:21:32 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it Mar 19 13:21:51 ;D Mar 19 13:22:23 so obvious next step: bug #0 Mar 19 13:22:24 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=0 could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId Mar 19 13:23:48 lala? Mar 19 13:23:57 don't you think we'll find a buffer OV in pOVbot? Mar 19 13:26:26 DocScrutinizer: i'm surprised i haven't been burnt on a stake yet Mar 19 13:27:03 * DocScrutinizer gathers dry sticks and trees Mar 19 13:27:04 we're all secretly gathering torches Mar 19 13:27:22 * tybollt gets the GEORGEFOREMANGRILL out and hones in on Stskeeps Mar 19 13:29:34 Stskeeps: you've read the battery FAQ carefully, not to send a totally borked device to thomaz ? Mar 19 13:30:17 esp the part about not storing deep discharged cells Mar 19 13:30:53 ~batteryfaq Mar 19 13:30:56 extra, extra, read all about it, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Mar 19 13:31:49 test Mar 19 13:31:57 DocScrutinizer: it is also quite borked and he isn't paying for it Mar 19 13:31:57 :P Mar 19 13:32:08 does the n800 power off the sdhc slots when there is no reading/writing Mar 19 13:32:09 great, this is read-write again Mar 19 13:33:04 no reason to kill the LiIon Mar 19 13:33:04 does anyone know how to add the bugtracker link into a package on maemo.org? Mar 19 13:33:31 my package has been demoted because of this but no one knows how and where to add the link Mar 19 13:34:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Bugtracker_location Mar 19 13:35:23 thanks Mar 19 13:36:33 mortal, yes Mar 19 13:36:47 or atleast it reduces voltage to them, Mar 19 13:37:09 how long will the battery last when used as an mp3 player Mar 19 13:37:34 At least 4 hours. Mar 19 13:37:54 Some were saying 18 Mar 19 13:37:59 I haven't used it more than 4 Mar 19 13:38:06 pupnik: Mar 19 13:38:29 i guess 4 hours if you're streaming music over wifi Mar 19 13:38:35 * SpeedEvil is listening to Prodigy. Mar 19 13:38:42 longer from sd Mar 19 13:38:55 * tybollt smacks SpeedEvil's bitch up Mar 19 13:39:02 yeah - 3h today - and battery showing at >75%. Mar 19 13:39:11 * SpeedEvil wants a diesel power cell. Mar 19 13:39:12 You're on N900 though, right Mar 19 13:39:20 seems without wifi/GPRS 6 h is the minimum you get, even with high CPU load Mar 19 13:39:21 yes Mar 19 13:39:29 sorry - contextfail Mar 19 13:39:41 Yeah, just CPU alone doesn't use much power Mar 19 13:39:42 SpeedEvil: why not hydrogen fuel cells? Mar 19 13:39:56 diesel is easier to get Mar 19 13:40:02 np: Prodigy - Diesel Power. Mar 19 13:40:12 ShadowJK: yes Mar 19 13:40:46 tybollt: hydrogen is so hard to carry in a bottle Mar 19 13:40:57 nuclear batteries needed tbh. Mar 19 13:41:04 DocScrutinizer: naah - it's easy. Mar 19 13:41:15 DocScrutinizer: carrying it without the oxygen is hard. Mar 19 13:41:17 in low qty yes Mar 19 13:41:24 LOL Mar 19 13:42:12 hence we need submersible N900s Mar 19 13:42:39 SpeedEvil: a general all time thank you for the regular mental inspiration and laughs Mar 19 13:45:03 :) Mar 19 13:45:47 SpeedEvil: hope your weather allows you to open up the window to get a more comfy temp atm Mar 19 13:45:57 ~weather EDDN Mar 19 13:46:01 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.03.19 1320 UTC; Dew Point: 37 F (3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.12 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Relative Humidity: 44%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) Mar 19 13:46:14 \o/ Mar 19 13:47:21 DocScrutinizer:12.5c inside - positively balmy Mar 19 13:47:30 Though I've been out digging much of the day. Mar 19 13:47:51 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ - extending lawn Mar 19 13:48:01 moving about 3 tons of soil Mar 19 13:49:17 yay Mar 19 13:58:00 SpeedEvil: meh, you did NOT dig throught the cables? How dissapointing :) Mar 19 13:58:40 as an admin dealing w/ some amount of coms I usually hear that as the explanation of why a circuit went down :S Mar 19 13:59:28 SpeedEvil: that place does not look inhabitable to be honest Mar 19 14:03:40 beauty lies in the eye of the beer holder Mar 19 14:04:16 tybollt: I dug ducts for the cables. there are no cables yet. Mar 19 14:05:31 very nice and suare... Mar 19 14:05:34 square Mar 19 14:05:36 Out of the lounge window - last year. Mar 19 14:05:39 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3586019040/ Mar 19 14:06:59 crashanddie: huh? Mar 19 14:07:17 * rhian_devil Visit us at network chat and get bots + hosting special and free, /server IRC.......Net Mar 19 14:07:35 eeeek Mar 19 14:07:55 * DocScrutinizer off to own chans Mar 19 14:10:52 failnet Mar 19 14:12:10 foonet? Mar 19 14:12:24 I thought foonet was dead Mar 19 14:12:30 failnet is fail Mar 19 14:12:42 no that meme is dead Mar 19 14:13:11 lol w00t Mar 19 14:13:19 virgin just got laid i think Mar 19 14:13:23 dea dmeme is dead Mar 19 14:13:24 lol Mar 19 14:13:33 lcukn900: for once, karoo is more reliable than someone else! Mar 19 14:13:38 lol Mar 19 14:13:50 this is quite rare for home Mar 19 14:14:32 * lcukn900 huggles 3g Mar 19 14:24:19 * crashanddie hugs lcukn900 Mar 19 14:25:24 naaaaaaaw Mar 19 14:25:59 pink pwnies for everyone! Mar 19 14:26:44 hey crashanddie hows you Mar 19 14:26:50 did i see you were back in the uk Mar 19 14:27:36 yup Mar 19 14:27:40 leaving tonight Mar 19 14:27:50 where to next? Mar 19 14:28:05 you are running out of continents you are allowed into Mar 19 14:28:21 heh Mar 19 14:28:25 thats the price you pay for being a member of the Super Adventure Club Mar 19 14:28:43 didnt you get kicked out of antartica for innapropriate behaviour with a penguin? Mar 19 14:29:09 did he use them as a slide? Mar 19 14:30:03 from what i heard whatever it was caused every single one to walk funny Mar 19 14:31:29 so how do arctic penguins walk then? bored and on ritalin? Mar 19 14:32:22 Do walk like they've had a cavity search. Mar 19 14:35:32 crashanddie: how's your eye? Mar 19 14:35:59 perfect Mar 19 14:36:01 all fixed Mar 19 14:36:19 * lcukn900 kicks lcuk Mar 19 14:37:34 got back up to 10/10 Mar 19 14:37:43 good :-) Mar 19 14:39:48 i wonder, is there way to have custom phone types? Mar 19 14:40:02 'types'? Mar 19 14:40:05 yes Mar 19 14:40:09 elaborate Mar 19 14:40:17 not those "mobile, work" Mar 19 14:40:32 errr?? Mar 19 14:41:16 Suppose you often move to other country. So, you buy a SIM card (ROUMING sucks!) Mar 19 14:41:17 DocScrutinizer: I think he means "profiles" Mar 19 14:41:21 No Mar 19 14:41:33 I mean phone types in Contatcs Mar 19 14:41:41 aaah Mar 19 14:41:44 isnt 6 enough? Mar 19 14:41:45 And now you have 2 mobile phones Mar 19 14:42:10 nidO: i'm not talking about a count, i'm talking about labels Mar 19 14:42:11 I think contacts needs custom user defined fields Mar 19 14:42:43 I want to label "Mobile phone in USA" and "Mobile phone in Russia" Mar 19 14:43:02 uhoh... rmrfchik is a spy! Mar 19 14:43:07 why? Mar 19 14:43:23 this is a killer feature in 1.2? ;) Mar 19 14:43:31 I would say the answer is just a contact called "Bob America" and "Bob Russia" Mar 19 14:43:32 a decent contacts app should have aribrary number of filedtype,filedlabel,value tupels, user definable Mar 19 14:43:59 sure Mar 19 14:44:10 nidO: in maemo??? at last we have a chance to have 1 contact for ALL contact types! Mar 19 14:44:23 s/filed/field/g Mar 19 14:44:24 DocScrutinizer meant: a decent contacts app should have aribrary number of fieldtype,fieldlabel,value tupels, user definable Mar 19 14:44:59 actually I find it cripplingly limited for that, purely because if you have a contact with more than one number, the phone app doesnt tell you which bloody one's calling. Mar 19 14:45:18 but your problem like mine has a workaround, by separating contacts :) Mar 19 14:45:18 nidO: known bug Mar 19 14:45:19 tybollt: what is about me being spy? Mar 19 14:45:21 ;) Mar 19 14:46:36 in my case I need to keep different numbers for the same person as separate contacts anyway so the voice dialling on my handsfree kit recognises them properly Mar 19 14:47:28 rmrfchik: russia and us... traveling between the two... :) Mar 19 14:47:34 heh Mar 19 14:48:00 in fact, my mother is traveling between home city and my grandma city ;) Mar 19 14:48:18 so its a whole sleeper cell family Mar 19 14:48:42 and I have "mobile phone, home phone, other mobile phone, work phone"... Mar 19 14:49:32 my contacts app lets me add anything i want Mar 19 14:49:45 (vi) Mar 19 14:50:08 yes, vi is very powerful app. Mar 19 14:50:20 it allows you to destroy everything and to beep. Mar 19 14:50:56 the more general-purpose your app, the closer it gets to ... Mar 19 14:51:35 time for obligatory vi/emacs war! Mar 19 14:51:43 dmj726_n900: oh noes Mar 19 14:51:47 * nidO smacks everyone with a nano manpage Mar 19 14:51:49 no flamewars please Mar 19 14:51:59 nidO: pfft nano : Mar 19 14:52:00 :D Mar 19 14:52:12 nah, i wouldn't do that Mar 19 14:52:13 dmj726_n900: cmon.. what war? how emacs can be in var with vi? Mar 19 14:52:27 this overbloat operating system has no even good editor Mar 19 14:52:46 are you on windows? Mar 19 14:52:57 i'm talking about emacs Mar 19 14:53:06 lol Mar 19 14:53:20 vi for emacs? Mar 19 14:53:31 war... the war is over. and the winner is vim.sf.net Mar 19 14:53:36 go, grab the copy Mar 19 14:54:01 * pupnik_ unpacks his BSD-vi musket Mar 19 14:55:19 hopefully i will get time to code more of my python talking gui today. Mar 19 14:58:48 * RST38h unleashes PICO on unsuspectng rmrfchik Mar 19 14:59:48 lcukn900: I'm flying to Dubai, then to OZ Mar 19 15:00:10 lcukn900: and no, I didn't touch the penguins, that was GeneralAntilles Mar 19 15:03:36 * pupnik_ ponders that travel budget Mar 19 15:07:54 VDVsx: are you mentoring a project for gsoc ? Mar 19 15:08:23 kunal, probably, I'm the org admin Mar 19 15:09:00 i'm thinking of applying for gsoc Mar 19 15:09:34 it's a good learning experience + $5000 and goodies :D Mar 19 15:09:40 yep Mar 19 15:09:50 VDVsx: so what exactly you are proposing, like use some libraries of "Okular" ? Mar 19 15:10:26 VDVsx: you sold out Mar 19 15:10:31 VDVsx: everything for the monies eh Mar 19 15:10:57 crashanddie, lol, that money is for the students :) Mar 19 15:11:37 I don't mind being paid for writing software I already want to write. :) Mar 19 15:11:47 kunal, that ideas was not proposed by myself, but I'm one of the possible mentors Mar 19 15:11:57 okular is just a example Mar 19 15:12:13 is up to the student to research the best options Mar 19 15:12:41 i am willing to take part, i am just trying to explore as to what idea will suit me the best. Mar 19 15:13:40 i searcher for mentors for other project, but cudnt find any.. Mar 19 15:13:50 I have an idea that's not on the list but may involve reading ebooks as one of its functions. Mar 19 15:14:30 basically making the n900 a really powerful accessiblity tool. Mar 19 15:15:11 kunal, okular probably is very tied to the KDE libs, that can be a issue Mar 19 15:16:08 kunal, the organizations are still organizing the mentors/ideas is application period only open in the end of the month, so that's normal :) Mar 19 15:16:27 s/is application/the application/ Mar 19 15:16:28 VDVsx meant: kunal, the organizations are still organizing the mentors/ideas the application period only open in the end of the month, so that's normal :) Mar 19 15:17:25 but i am worried if people start early and i am left behind Mar 19 15:18:06 its my first time with open source, so i need to catch up with people already having experience Mar 19 15:18:13 http://www.counterpunch.org/~blinux/emacspeak_intro.html dmj726_n900 seen this? Mar 19 15:19:45 I get no desktop in my Xephyr window when running af-sb-init.sh. This is my ouput http://pastie.org/877199 Any ideas? Mar 19 15:20:35 pupnik: no i hadn't Mar 19 15:22:30 Is emacspeak still used? It appears to not be updated since 98 Mar 19 15:23:43 http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/releases/release-31.0.html Mar 19 15:24:11 ok Mar 19 15:24:15 good news Mar 19 15:25:38 wazzup? Mar 19 15:25:45 did i missed something? Mar 19 15:26:33 rmrfchik: You have been smothered with PICO. Mar 19 15:26:43 lolwhat?? Mar 19 15:27:03 this "hello from 1980"? Mar 19 15:27:51 back in days, when I used pine a lot, i used vim as editor ;) Mar 19 15:28:29 hmm...would maybe make a good backend Mar 19 15:28:53 PICO is for the rest (like 99%) of us Mar 19 15:29:16 As to vim lovers, you should try ed some time, you will like it =) Mar 19 15:29:30 RST38h: You mean the 99% that don't matter. Mar 19 15:29:43 derf: Yep Mar 19 15:30:06 95% of population... Mar 19 15:30:17 By weight or by volume? Mar 19 15:30:23 hi, sorry, did anyone hear something about running maemo on e90? is that possible or is there a port? Mar 19 15:30:37 huh Mar 19 15:30:38 By brain mass Mar 19 15:30:39 woot Mar 19 15:30:52 jham: No. Mar 19 15:31:02 rmrfchik, what a nick, are you russian? :) Mar 19 15:31:33 don't mess the power of laconism (vim) and weakness of limitedness Mar 19 15:31:39 RST38h: oh, okay, thank you. Mar 19 15:31:42 jham: I am ;) Mar 19 15:31:47 we all do Mar 19 15:31:47 maemo on the e90 would be <3 Mar 19 15:32:27 are there at all older devices maemo runs on? Mar 19 15:32:52 phone devices Mar 19 15:33:13 not phones Mar 19 15:33:22 jham, yes 770, n800 and n810 (not phones) Mar 19 15:33:44 rmrfchik: it ain't an editor if it has no arrow buttons =) Mar 19 15:33:57 well, i mean some pdas with phone function Mar 19 15:33:57 You can use arrow keys in vim. Mar 19 15:33:59 jham: Yes. Mar 19 15:34:04 Why you would want to is another question. Mar 19 15:34:11 ah, and some Chinese devices too, don't recall the name Mar 19 15:34:21 RST38h: is there some official list on devices supported? Mar 19 15:34:47 cant find on maemo.org Mar 19 15:35:00 jham: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+wiki Mar 19 15:35:01 there are too many strange terminals where the arrow buttons simply don't work Mar 19 15:35:14 RST38h: no reason to be sarcastic Mar 19 15:35:36 franks2: I will decide on my own reasons, thanks. Mar 19 15:35:57 Edheldil: it ain't a terminal if it has no arrow buttons =) Mar 19 15:36:25 RST38h: k Mar 19 15:36:34 derf: To...like...move the cursor around? :) Mar 19 15:37:29 There are other keys for that. They're right under my fingers. Mar 19 15:37:33 The arrow keys are far away. Mar 19 15:37:58 http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/graphics/vt100.jpg the terminal Mar 19 15:38:21 derf: I normally use "the other keys" to type text though Mar 19 15:38:51 RST38h: well, ever tried things like ssh in a screen session to serial line to Sun/Solaris OpenBoot :))) You have the keys, but they do not do things you expect :) Mar 19 15:38:58 RST38h: If you can't handle the idea that keys can do different things at different times, I can't help you. Mar 19 15:39:13 pupnik: Looks either like a late model *or* an icon of industrial design =) Mar 19 15:39:35 vi's hjkl sometimes come very handy :) Mar 19 15:39:43 Edheldil: When you have to use text editor inside OpenBoot, something is WRONG =) Mar 19 15:40:13 derf: Yep, I am stupid. I expect keys do what they are labelled to do. Mar 19 15:41:08 "US military computer specialists, over the objections of the CIA, mounted a cyberattack that dismantled an online 'honey pot' monitored by US and Saudi intelligence agencies to identify extremists before they could strike, after military commanders said that the site was putting Americans at risk." Mar 19 15:41:44 * RST38h bites the edge of his desk to keep himself from satanic laughter Mar 19 15:41:48 hehe, maybe I was too carried with my example :). Another one is vi over a slooow line, sometimes that tended to insert A/B instead of moving the cursor. Dunno why Mar 19 15:42:16 Edheldil: That is not slow line, that is lack of flow control Mar 19 15:44:53 possibly, but it manifested itself over slow connections. And I think this particular one was not over serial. Anyway, does vi x pico really matter to anyone? We are all mature people, rrrriiiight? Right??? ;-))) Mar 19 15:45:13 hmm Mar 19 15:45:22 N900 not automaticly mounting in ubuntu when in mass storage mode Mar 19 15:45:36 and if I mount it with sudo mount i only get read rights Mar 19 15:46:22 hmm ok so no turn-by-turn in 1.2 Mar 19 15:46:23 :-| Mar 19 15:49:50 what program support front camera except mirror? Mar 19 15:50:03 skype doesn't support it yet, does it? Mar 19 15:50:46 Video calls? Oh wait... :) Mar 19 15:51:50 i don't really need them Mar 19 15:52:01 i didn't use it on old phone Mar 19 15:52:04 um Mar 19 15:52:12 has anyone here ever seen "Account in use" from presence? Mar 19 15:52:18 just interestng any program any hw using front cam Mar 19 15:52:21 it seems like possibly the dumbest message ever! Mar 19 15:54:12 *yawn* Mar 19 15:54:15 what a great day to be alive Mar 19 15:54:17 not really Mar 19 15:54:25 but Im pretty happy Mar 19 15:55:14 me too spring break is starting and the weather is great and there is a robot competition today Mar 19 15:55:30 lol Mar 19 15:57:45 hah Mar 19 16:03:44 kamui: you know about http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ Mar 19 16:16:28 I predict: in 2013, all 2012 doomsday predictions will stop Mar 19 16:19:57 tank-man, not sure ... as there is two interpretation on the maya calendar date conversion to our calendar :) Mar 19 16:21:17 tank-man, it s 2208 and not 2012 Mar 19 16:21:43 then you can interpret my prediction in two ways :) Mar 19 16:31:53 wazd: Moo! Mar 19 16:33:43 Heya all Mar 19 16:34:51 Hello. A few hours ago, I had problems updating my N900 (UK) to 1.1.1. I've now got it working by removing libgles1-sgx-img. As I installed openarena via dpkg + installing the dependencies manually (rather than adding the scary devel repo :)), they weren't automatically removed. Mar 19 16:36:00 wazd_e63, hey, wb :) Mar 19 16:36:47 thanks to the people who offered suggestions earlier Mar 19 16:39:27 cpm, how is apt supposed to keep track of what's installed if you used dpkg directly? Mar 19 16:39:57 apt is able to discover unused packages though, methinks Mar 19 16:40:47 Vdvsx: heya :) that's not me actually, my body died a week ago :D Mar 19 16:41:00 Vdvsx: exhausted and dry :D Mar 19 16:42:02 mikhas, it doesn't - as I found out :) Mar 19 16:42:12 wazd_e63, ah, you're a bot now :p Mar 19 16:43:33 wazd_e63, life gets better after death, doesn't it? Mar 19 16:43:35 hi VDVsx Mar 19 16:43:37 Vdvsx: how are you btw? :) long time no see :) Mar 19 16:44:06 Mikhas: yeah, now I don't need to eat and sleep at least :) Mar 19 16:44:11 mikhas, hey Mar 19 16:44:22 wazd_e63, I'm fine, thanks :) Mar 19 16:44:35 Mikhas: so I can work 24/7 :D Mar 19 16:45:35 good! Mar 19 16:46:13 wazd_e63, have fun: http://symbianuibrainstorm.wordpress.com/ :p Mar 19 16:46:37 Vdvsx: it's actually in my blogroll :D Mar 19 16:46:44 damn Mar 19 16:47:06 :p Mar 19 16:47:20 Vdvsx: found it thru "you may also be interested" :) Mar 19 16:47:31 lol Mar 19 16:48:53 is it possible to format an sd card inside the n800 Mar 19 16:49:35 Vdvsx: they have some descent ideas, but visualisation is nowhere near mine for sure :) Mar 19 16:50:59 * VDVsx likes the bluetooth contacts idea Mar 19 16:55:03 Vdvsx: the best bluetooth idea I have in my head (not sure if I came up with it myself) - instant infocard transfer Mar 19 16:55:30 Vdvsx: just touch another phone with yours and they will exchange cards Mar 19 16:56:14 that's like the shake thing for the iShit Mar 19 16:56:16 With no button press involved :) Mar 19 16:57:40 seems overly complicated Mar 19 17:00:14 <_|Nix|_> Hey! How can I associate a picture with my maemo.org account? I created an avatar for myself on gravatar.com, and now I'd like to transfer it to maemo.org as well. Will maemo.org pick it up, or do Ihave to do it manually. Mar 19 17:00:35 <_|Nix|_> ? Mar 19 17:00:56 do it manualy Mar 19 17:00:58 <_|Nix|_> I can't seem to find a spot on the edit profile page where it would go ... Mar 19 17:01:02 <_|Nix|_> jacekowski: Where? Mar 19 17:01:47 <_|Nix|_> I clicked on my own name in the top right corner, and it takes me to my profile page, and then what? Mar 19 17:02:53 afaik you cant have avatars assigned to maemo.org accts? Mar 19 17:03:36 <_|Nix|_> nidO: Yes you can ... just go to the profiles listing. Almost everybody has an avatar: http://maemo.org/profile/list/ Mar 19 17:04:07 sorry ill rephrase. Mar 19 17:04:26 afaik you cant have separate avatars assigned to maemo.org accts, doesnt it just take your t.m.o profile picture? Mar 19 17:05:10 <_|Nix|_> nidO: Oh, OK. Fine. How do I set my t.m.o profile picture? Mar 19 17:05:34 go to tmo, "control panel" on the right side, then edit profile picture Mar 19 17:06:04 I'm quite sure you don't need a tmo acconut to get a maemo.org profile picture Mar 19 17:07:20 oh. yeah i got it Mar 19 17:07:24 on maemo.org Mar 19 17:07:49 click your acct name, then select "publish account details" in the top toolbar Mar 19 17:07:53 i thought ovi maps supports TbT navigation? oO Mar 19 17:08:06 then 2nd field from the end is a picture Mar 19 17:08:25 ovi maps for symbian does and has for years Mar 19 17:08:34 Package osso-wlan-dev updated in SDK Mar 19 17:08:42 the one for maemo doesnt? Mar 19 17:08:43 oO Mar 19 17:18:45 smurfy, hcm? Mar 19 17:19:29 Fahrplan segfault patch by hcm works great ;-P segfaults reliably for me now Mar 19 17:19:31 Nix: Around? Mar 19 17:20:16 <_|Nix|_> RST38h: Yeah. Mar 19 17:20:19 <_|Nix|_> What's up? Mar 19 17:20:44 Nix: Trouble. Mar 19 17:21:00 <_|Nix|_> Yikes! What's wrong? Mar 19 17:21:14 Nix: Starting with 2.6.4, Maemo5's unified messaging no longer works with ICQ :( Mar 19 17:21:30 Nix: Does not sound like much, but is a major show stopper if 70% of your contacts are on ICQ =( Mar 19 17:21:44 <_|Nix|_> RST38h: What can I do? Mar 19 17:22:19 Nix: A moment Mar 19 17:22:20 (is pidgin more or less power hungry than default empathy?) Mar 19 17:22:25 <_|Nix|_> There were some ICQ problems in Pidgin, IIRC. But they were fixed in later versions of libpurple, because I don't see them anymore. Mar 19 17:22:28 * RST38h locates the tmo thread Mar 19 17:22:58 Nix: it is different, has something to do with latest versions of pidgin libs being incompatible with messaging Mar 19 17:23:01 <_|Nix|_> However, I'm not sure if those changes were implemented in a non-tp-haze-compatible fashion. Mar 19 17:24:21 Nix: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40569 Mar 19 17:24:25 nobody should be using ICQ anymore Mar 19 17:25:00 Nix:And here is the problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=460184&postcount=368 Mar 19 17:25:55 Nix: If you could check what is going on and maybe implement a fix (if it is simple of course)... Mar 19 17:27:14 <_|Nix|_> RST38h: I don't know much about libpurple, and especially not about the prpls themselves. The first thing I can think of is for tp-haze to depend on <=2.6.3-6nix0 until it works again. Mar 19 17:27:29 <_|Nix|_> Of course, that won't fix it for people who have already upgraded. Mar 19 17:27:35 yep Mar 19 17:27:53 may cause upgrade troubles for both pidgin and haze users too Mar 19 17:28:34 <_|Nix|_> Since it works in Pidgin, it sounds to me like tp-haze simply has to keep up with it. They've done a great job so far ... Mar 19 17:29:00 Nix: So, the right person to talk to would be one of the tp-haze guys? Mar 19 17:29:08 <_|Nix|_> RST38h: I think so. Mar 19 17:29:55 <_|Nix|_> RST38h: tp-haze is used outside of Maemo as well, so there's probably a good chance it'll be fixed. Mar 19 17:30:16 unlikely Mar 19 17:30:16 * _|Nix|_ goes to make some dinner Mar 19 17:30:24 * luke-jr notes XMPP support is *still* broken Mar 19 17:30:43 unless you're talking N900 mayb Mar 19 17:31:31 Nix: Ack. Mar 19 17:42:15 DocScrutinizer: yeah I saw that. pretty fail for profiles to be stored in a localized fashion >.< Mar 19 17:42:39 oh yes Mar 19 17:57:28 damn. I have this bug again where in the IM window, every character I type goes through twice Mar 19 18:00:02 Shapeshifter, on a N900? Mar 19 18:00:27 mgedmin: yeah. Mar 19 18:00:38 cool Mar 19 18:00:41 haven't seen that one Mar 19 18:00:45 :) Mar 19 18:00:52 does backspace erase two characters too? Mar 19 18:01:35 yes Mar 19 18:01:45 I had that once on the edit contact page Mar 19 18:01:46 mgedmin: yeah. started writing an sms, was fine. pressed "->"+"ctrl" (sym) and then didn't pick a character but instead entered "->"+"l" (":") Mar 19 18:01:59 but it's not reproducable. Had it twice until now. Mar 19 18:02:07 interesting Mar 19 18:02:33 I think someone in here had it a week ago or so in his irc client. Mar 19 18:07:08 just formatted my MMC as ext3... what do I have to do to always have it mounted on boot, even not being vfat? Mar 19 18:07:18 not my internal MMC Mar 19 18:07:20 external one Mar 19 18:08:03 adjust fstab Mar 19 18:08:22 fstab is dynamic, isn't it? Mar 19 18:08:29 rebuilt at every reboot Mar 19 18:08:44 adjust the script that makes the fstab Mar 19 18:08:45 ? Mar 19 18:09:06 it will get erased when I have an update Mar 19 18:09:06 grep -r fstab /etc Mar 19 18:09:11 I mean Mar 19 18:09:12 replaced Mar 19 18:09:29 you can always chattr +i /etc/fstab Mar 19 18:09:45 but i'm not sure if that won't cause the device to a constant reboot loop Mar 19 18:09:46 does jffs2 support attr +i? Mar 19 18:10:13 maybe I'll add a script on /etc/init.d Mar 19 18:10:28 GeneralAntilles: ping Mar 19 18:10:31 I don't think your problem is fstab... Mar 19 18:10:36 and link it to /etc/rc2.d Mar 19 18:10:40 at least on N8x0, the problem is loading the modules Mar 19 18:10:58 even though maemo 5 uses upstart Mar 19 18:11:04 luke-jr: not sure about jffs2, but ubifs does Mar 19 18:20:44 rebooting to test my script. Mar 19 18:21:12 quick question - is Qt Designer for 4.6 available for Maemo 5 (in the SDK)? Mar 19 18:21:39 attempting to install libqt4-maemo5-designer gives me the "may have been replaced" message Mar 19 18:23:33 jaem, qt4-designer - Qt 4 Designer ? Mar 19 18:23:51 MohammadAG, I need 4.6 Mar 19 18:24:00 and I just found out I need it yesterday >_< Mar 19 18:24:07 I guess I'll have to build it Mar 19 18:24:08 darn Mar 19 18:24:11 thanks Mar 19 18:24:43 Try apt-get install libqt4-maemo5* Mar 19 18:24:51 you might get more than you need though Mar 19 18:24:58 I did, thanks, it's not there Mar 19 18:25:54 jaem, you want to use Qt designer inside the SDK ? Mar 19 18:26:49 VDVsx, I'm trying to build KDE's Marble as Qt-Only, but it's trying to build the designer widget support (which I need), and that requires at least the headers Mar 19 18:26:54 probably the whole thing Mar 19 18:27:54 jaem, ah ok, probably the headers only, better ask at #qt-maemo Mar 19 18:28:06 VDVsx, I'll try that first, thanks Mar 19 18:28:38 I just found out that the map widget we were using is too buggy to be useful, and simultaenously that we need a demonstrable app yesterday Mar 19 18:28:39 heh Mar 19 18:28:45 always the way of things... :P Mar 19 18:30:06 can anyone suggest a good case for the n900 Mar 19 18:33:10 openstandards: I use a zagg film thing, no case, lives in my pocket, works great, no damage and i'm tough on my hardware (washed my n900) Mar 19 18:33:34 you have washed your n900? Mar 19 18:34:01 yeah, by accident and it didn't get fully submerged but it was wet, film stayed on ;-) Mar 19 18:34:57 blimey Mar 19 18:35:09 crikey! Mar 19 18:35:59 took a day in the server room behind some busy servers producing hot air from their power supplies to dry it out enough to work again Mar 19 18:36:33 works fine, only issue is when it gets a little damp now the indicator light glows, as soon as it dries back out though it turns off.. weird. Mar 19 18:36:38 Hi! How can I install Open Arena on Maemo 5? Mar 19 18:36:57 toggles_w, you could have taken it to a meeting, would have been dried in 5min! Mar 19 18:37:14 LOL Mar 19 18:37:54 dmj726_n900: where did you get your hands on a n9001 Mar 19 18:38:11 the future.. Mar 19 18:39:16 lmao :P Mar 19 18:39:24 * openstandards wants a time machine Mar 19 18:39:50 * Xisdibik wants a hot tub time machine Mar 19 18:40:11 you want your women to age in the hot tub? :P Mar 19 18:40:11 n900s turn into one by a strange confluence between the wifi and 3g forces Mar 19 18:40:19 ebzzry, it's in devel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Mar 19 18:40:42 mece: Will searching for "arena" make it show? Mar 19 18:40:43 openstandards: yea, women are like wine ;) Mar 19 18:40:55 lol Mar 19 18:40:56 * openstandards thinks Xisdibik wants to be a pimping dr who..... Mar 19 18:41:05 ebzzry, dunno. just go to games and scroll to o :) Mar 19 18:41:12 openstandards: who wouldnt wanna be that? Mar 19 18:41:17 Xisdibik, I hope you don't live near a grave yard i'd be worried :P Mar 19 18:41:33 mece: Hmm, OK. Thanks for the tip. I've been searching the string "arena" and "open" and nothing shows up. Mar 19 18:41:48 Xisdibik, rather have the back to the future car Mar 19 18:42:03 i'd take you to get one but my mr. fusion is broken Mar 19 18:42:17 washed it too Mar 19 18:42:32 openstandards: To each his own Mar 19 18:42:38 i'll take a tardis if anyone is offering. I have a lot of junk to store. Mar 19 18:42:59 * noobmonk3y is off travelling, well to a wedding, back sunday - ciaoooooooooooooo Mar 19 18:43:17 cyas, no fighting :) Mar 19 18:43:36 lol, moi, never! :D Mar 19 18:48:14 its weird that the hardware when it comes to the n900 seems to be a problem Mar 19 18:49:07 like i've just been reading that the usb connector can become damaged and the headphone jack is problematic Mar 19 18:49:35 hmm there's no libglademm for the maemo community? Mar 19 18:50:41 openstandards: it's hard to tell Mar 19 18:50:59 openstandards: It's safe to say the vast majority of people have no problems Mar 19 18:51:17 there are definitely issues, but most don't seem to have them Mar 19 19:04:08 oo Mar 19 19:04:10 sygic in fullscreen Mar 19 19:04:11 :D Mar 19 19:07:03 are you running it? Mar 19 19:09:33 <|R> sygic is only out for europe/asia ? Mar 19 19:10:16 rpg music is the best Mar 19 19:10:17 hmm 60 euros? Mar 19 19:10:22 might get it Mar 19 19:14:19 pupnik_: you compiled these codecs for pcsx, isn't it? why the softfx codec for video always present the game in a tiny window? is that right? Mar 19 19:14:29 pupnik_: isn't there an opengl codec for pcsx? Mar 19 19:16:38 pupnik_? Mar 19 19:16:58 what is "opengl codec" btw? Mar 19 19:17:36 pcsx has many video drivers Mar 19 19:17:57 if we could get one that used the opengles 2.0 that the n900 has, it would be lots faster Mar 19 19:18:14 huh? Mar 19 19:18:16 a clone! Mar 19 19:19:26 ptl: a guy named 'pete' made an openGL plugin but i never got source Mar 19 19:20:00 maybe smoku will make progress; he did get the dynamic recompiler working! Mar 19 19:20:02 pupnik_: and the softx one? it is normal that it shows the game in a tiny square? Mar 19 19:20:33 if you mean native resolution then yes Mar 19 19:20:46 it doesn't scale, isn't it? Mar 19 19:20:59 Frodo, Basilisk, UAE would be good emus for the N900 Mar 19 19:21:51 i don't have the time or skill to work on that Mar 19 19:22:53 pete's gpu plugins are all open source Mar 19 19:23:01 http://www.pbernert.com/html/dev.htm Mar 19 19:25:06 so you think this pcsx-m can be improved enough ali1234 ? Mar 19 19:25:18 what is pcsx-m? Mar 19 19:25:59 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47227 Mar 19 19:26:06 i must say that pcsx gui was a lot nicer on n900 than the psx4all one Mar 19 19:26:40 hmm core ported from psx4all Mar 19 19:27:03 well, i don't think it will ever run fullspeed Mar 19 19:27:19 not without shutting down everything else that the n900 does Mar 19 19:27:26 and even then it will be tough Mar 19 19:28:09 well the core can run 600mhz continuous apparently Mar 19 19:28:20 maybe only in cold temperatures Mar 19 19:28:30 hmm Mar 19 19:29:01 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state while playing picodrive shows only 600000 increasing Mar 19 19:29:30 isn't 600 the max? Mar 19 19:29:59 yeah but i guess it is not advised to fix cpu at max Mar 19 19:30:37 even at 600mhz with audio and video output disabled i could not get 100% PSX speed Mar 19 19:30:50 that is only disabling the output not the emulation parts Mar 19 19:30:53 but still Mar 19 19:33:26 aha Mar 19 19:33:35 maybe it can be non-painful for some rpgs Mar 19 19:34:16 yeah Mar 19 19:35:14 just reviewing megadrive stuff and it is astounding how much companies copied each other starting in the 90s Mar 19 19:35:41 everybody wants to be the second to do something Mar 19 19:36:36 pioneers often do get burned Mar 19 19:36:54 hows picodrives sound going? Mar 19 19:37:08 i've been playing not working :) Mar 19 19:37:23 you notice the skips also? Mar 19 19:37:39 pupnik: Genesis has been a pretty standard 68000-based system Mar 19 19:38:11 yes thankfully not much weirdness :) Mar 19 19:38:13 pupnik: Using VDP derived from MasterSystem and some other assorted pieces from the SMS. So, what other hardware did it "copy"? Mar 19 19:39:13 there's the sony spc700 in there Mar 19 19:39:38 pupnik: In Genesis? Why? Mar 19 19:39:49 Never been SPC700 in Genesis AFAIK Mar 19 19:39:50 the games freezes occasionally Mar 19 19:39:53 so i may get bias answers but is maemo better than palm webos? Mar 19 19:39:56 but the sound is good Mar 19 19:39:59 don't flame me :) Mar 19 19:40:06 jcrawford: Yes. Mar 19 19:40:11 jcrawford: No. Mar 19 19:40:15 haha Mar 19 19:40:21 jcrawford: Which answer would you prefer to hear, anyway? Mar 19 19:40:27 jcrawford, webos has the unreal engine Mar 19 19:40:33 =D Mar 19 19:40:34 RST38h, an honest one :) Mar 19 19:40:49 jcrawford: The honest one will be "fuck off". Mar 19 19:41:01 But that would be impolite, of course. Mar 19 19:41:02 RST38h, ok then Mar 19 19:41:05 :) Mar 19 19:41:09 the honest answer is all smartphones suck Mar 19 19:41:17 iPhone ftw Mar 19 19:41:21 depends on what you want really Mar 19 19:41:23 everyone knows that Mar 19 19:41:25 ugh iPhone Mar 19 19:41:31 i can't even get my keyboard working in maemo SDK Mar 19 19:41:33 you cannot deny it! Mar 19 19:41:44 Arif_, you're either an iPhone troll, or I didn't see a /sarcasm there Mar 19 19:41:58 * RST38h votes for the first option Mar 19 19:42:05 * Arif_ votes for the 2nd option Mar 19 19:42:16 * MohammadAG kicks Arif_ out of #maemo Mar 19 19:42:27 * Arif_ forces MohammadAG to use an iPhone Mar 19 19:42:36 used one for a day Mar 19 19:42:46 well i know i am not in a position to be making money from maemo apps :) but I could with WebOS. However it's more about learning for me than making money so are both OS's about the same when it comes to the underlying linux etc. or do they differ greatly. is Maemo as open as the Pre? Mar 19 19:42:46 I tried using one Mar 19 19:42:47 but failed Mar 19 19:42:48 :( Mar 19 19:42:50 no I didn't get curious, someone wanted me to jailbreak it Mar 19 19:42:57 n900 is good for doing what the iphone doesn't Mar 19 19:43:10 jcrawford, you can't even if you wanted to Mar 19 19:43:12 :D Mar 19 19:43:19 Arif_, how so? Mar 19 19:43:19 maemo is more like desktop linux Mar 19 19:43:24 how about we stop the iPhone talk? it clutters the logs :) Mar 19 19:43:25 N900 ovi store is b0rked Mar 19 19:43:35 Arif_, it's getting worked on :) Mar 19 19:43:40 yeah right Mar 19 19:43:40 actively Mar 19 19:43:52 jcrawford, you from Nokia or something? Mar 19 19:43:52 do you really believe that Mar 19 19:43:53 ;D Mar 19 19:43:54 uhm Mar 19 19:44:02 was ovi store ever anything but borked? Mar 19 19:44:03 :) Mar 19 19:44:20 lol tybollt Mar 19 19:44:20 actually ovi all in all is 'borked' Mar 19 19:44:30 nah Mar 19 19:44:31 no Mar 19 19:44:32 the symbian one is fine Mar 19 19:44:41 not really Mar 19 19:44:55 I love me my ovi calendar, it's fucking awesome (if you have a symbian device - if you have the N900 - yeah it sucks :) Mar 19 19:45:00 Arif_, I've had my fair share of Nokia phones Mar 19 19:45:12 I have Mar 19 19:45:12 hmm Mar 19 19:45:15 about 6 Mar 19 19:45:16 tybollt, I had to transfer my contacts from Ovi to an N73 to the N900 Mar 19 19:45:22 what does ovi calendar does that's so good? Mar 19 19:45:31 I never got the hold of calendars Mar 19 19:45:37 Notes synchronization failed on the N97 Mar 19 19:45:41 MohammadAG: bingo - as I have to Mar 19 19:45:52 MohammadAG: that is R E T A R D E D :) Mar 19 19:45:55 ptl, it just backs up the calendar Mar 19 19:46:02 yep, same with the calendar Mar 19 19:46:07 yeah Mar 19 19:46:12 I don't use the calendar Mar 19 19:46:15 :D Mar 19 19:46:22 400+ calerndar entries was NOT nice over 3G (N73) Mar 19 19:46:26 calendar* Mar 19 19:46:37 that should be like Mar 19 19:46:38 20KB! Mar 19 19:46:41 not to mention the 7MB RAM Mar 19 19:46:44 I think i will pick Maemo, it all comes down to hardware. I have 2 Pre's and have had to have them replaced about 8 times over the last year combined Mar 19 19:47:00 why don't you wait for Moogo Mar 19 19:47:09 that bad of hardware? Mar 19 19:47:13 cause it's a NooGo Mar 19 19:47:18 I hate RPM Mar 19 19:47:33 I don't hate RPM but I'd prefer deb Mar 19 19:47:37 dmj726_n900, i dropped my pre on a hard wood floor once from waist level (arm down by side) and the touchscreen just stopped Mar 19 19:47:41 let's restart the package war Mar 19 19:47:49 it can't be moogo because it won't have apt Mar 19 19:47:55 seems like if you tap the damn things they start having issues lol Mar 19 19:47:58 ptl, let's not Mar 19 19:48:06 oh :( Mar 19 19:48:08 let's not ptl Mar 19 19:48:10 :) Mar 19 19:48:22 what about vi vs emacs? Mar 19 19:48:28 *vim vs emacs Mar 19 19:48:39 emacs vs xemacs Mar 19 19:48:41 how is the python support on the pre? Mar 19 19:48:42 kde vs gnome? Mar 19 19:48:46 gtk+ vs qtr Mar 19 19:48:49 let's not Mar 19 19:48:53 dmj726_n900, http://www.josephcrawford.com/2010/03/18/review-the-palm-pre-2/ Mar 19 19:48:56 anyway back to work :) Mar 19 19:48:57 *qt Mar 19 19:49:15 dmj726_n900, i am not sure about the puthon support Mar 19 19:49:20 does the palm pre 2 has qt, gtk, X? Mar 19 19:49:33 ptl, not that i know of :) Mar 19 19:49:45 so the N900 uses actual WM running under X? Mar 19 19:49:53 yes Mar 19 19:49:53 it's quite good on maemo Mar 19 19:49:58 ok SOLD! Mar 19 19:50:03 hmm Mar 19 19:50:04 can't wait for mine to get here lol Mar 19 19:50:18 however I can't export windows from N900 to my linux Mar 19 19:50:21 tried with osso-xterm Mar 19 19:50:27 gecko? Mar 19 19:50:29 I'm getting errors from ld telling me that libraries are not found, and that I should try specifying -rpath Mar 19 19:50:31 I forget what that means Mar 19 19:50:34 any help? Mar 19 19:50:40 jcrawford, n900 is just a linux box. Mar 19 19:51:05 jcrawford, the WM is Matchbox, FYI Mar 19 19:51:08 and yes, it uses X Mar 19 19:51:23 jaem: are you mixing static and dynamic? Mar 19 19:51:31 it also runs debian Mar 19 19:51:33 many standard Linux apps will run with just a recompile, although granted the UI might not be sane Mar 19 19:51:54 very cool, i cannot wait :) Mar 19 19:52:01 i will have to dive into development :) Mar 19 19:52:20 ali1234, not that I'm aware of, but I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, to be honest - I was attempting to build KDE's Marble (Qt-only version), and running into issues Mar 19 19:52:46 don't know then Mar 19 19:54:32 jaem, try specifing LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or update your ld cache Mar 19 19:54:56 thanks Mar 19 20:04:03 joppu: Ping Mar 19 20:04:21 AndrewFblack: fiferboy's contactable on facebook at least Mar 19 20:05:49 Stskeeps: Cool I need to use my facebook again sometime lol Mar 19 20:15:04 Good evening everyone Mar 19 20:15:24 Good evening everyone Mar 19 20:16:55 How could I easily install themes from different repos? I understand that I need to add that repo somehow... Mar 19 20:20:16 damn, Andrew parted already :( Mar 19 20:48:25 hmm, getting a solid gps fix indoors without network positioning without cache, not sure why people complain about the gps :P Mar 19 20:48:43 I think I got my first GPS fix ever today Mar 19 20:48:52 Now try living in something more substantial than a tent. Mar 19 20:49:12 solid, thick brick walls Mar 19 21:10:53 yay shiboken might see a release next week :) Mar 19 21:12:12 lies TomaszD! all lies! :) Mar 19 21:12:48 lol so notification in xchat works Mar 19 21:13:53 i don't think there is a single plot branch in any megadrive game, ever made Mar 19 21:14:45 how could i easily get a hold of the maps for nokia maps? Mar 19 21:14:58 can i download them on the n900 from the ovi maps application directly? Mar 19 21:15:35 any problems to get a fix on the position in the maps application? Mar 19 21:15:48 DrGrov: just forget the maps application Mar 19 21:15:50 should i have the online mode activated Mar 19 21:15:57 Shapeshifter: why should i forget that? Mar 19 21:16:24 DrGrov: use navit, maep, maemap or whatever it's called, and wait for the "new" ovi maps with directions to get released with the next... uhm year or so Mar 19 21:16:47 oh there's also mapper Mar 19 21:16:55 Shapeshifter: oh, i see. can i get navit, maep, maemap from the repos directly or? Mar 19 21:17:14 DrGrov: yeah. not sure where they're in, but there's somewhere between extras and extras-devel ;) Mar 19 21:17:39 Shapeshifter: ok, i will check that out. i need to get GPS working for my approximately 2000km driving per month Mar 19 21:19:09 DrGrov: I'm taking a guess that sygic is the best solution atm, but it costs Mar 19 21:19:48 Shapeshifter: actually i don't need anything fancy. i know my way around the roads but something little helpful. Mar 19 21:20:18 Shapeshifter: can I empty my WiFi data log somehow? Mar 19 21:20:49 DrGrov: log? the amount of wifi you mean? Mar 19 21:21:53 wow maep is fast compared to ovi maps or navit Mar 19 21:22:39 Shapeshifter: yeah, amount of wifi and regular data transfer. Mar 19 21:22:54 DrGrov: you can reset it through gconf Mar 19 21:23:05 Shapeshifter: does the video call option become available on a contact when I am using 3G? Mar 19 21:23:12 Shapeshifter: gconf in settings menu? Mar 19 21:23:17 DrGrov: no Mar 19 21:23:24 DrGrov: nah, gconf. Write a script. Let me look up the key... Mar 19 21:23:26 DrGrov: there is no support for video calls at all. Mar 19 21:23:46 SpeedEvil: ah ok, then it is a bit of a shame but nevermind. it is still ok. i hope nokia adds that a bit later on... Mar 19 21:25:29 DrGrov: mh I thought there was a counter in gconf not only for gprs but wlan as well but I can't find it. maybe google around. Mar 19 21:26:16 Shapeshifter: no problem actually. it is just a little cool thing to have around :) thanks Mar 19 21:26:37 Shapeshifter: one small question yet if it is ok? Mar 19 21:27:09 DrGrov: sure ^^ Mar 19 21:27:42 Shapeshifter: how the heck is my battery draining very much? i charged it full yesterday and today it is only about 50% left... Mar 19 21:27:57 DrGrov: 3G drains lots of power from my experience. Mar 19 21:28:06 Shapeshifter: i don't use 3G, i keep it in 2G Mar 19 21:28:23 DrGrov: well, when did you charge it yesterday, as in, how many hours has it been without power? Mar 19 21:28:49 Shapeshifter: i charged it full when it had that same 50% battery time left Mar 19 21:29:07 Shapeshifter: about perhaps 25-30 hours or so... Mar 19 21:29:25 yeah but, how long has it been without power now? Mar 19 21:29:38 Shapeshifter: now it has power full because i charged it. Mar 19 21:30:01 Shapeshifter: i keep charing it over again when it has that 50% left about. charge it in the nights a few hours and switch it on when it is fully charged. Mar 19 21:31:18 DrGrov: well I'm not sure what you mean. Anyhow, my battery lasts through a day at normal, not excessive use. that means, maybe from 8:00 until 20:00 with almost no surfing, always on 2G and IM enabled, maybe some email and mabybe half an hour of VGBA gaming. you can hardly get more time out of it, except if you turn off IM or any other transfers etc. Mar 19 21:31:35 DrGrov: yeah well it doesn't go much more then a day. Mar 19 21:32:38 Shapeshifter: ok, then we are about the same then. i keep sending a lot of sms. no surfing. Mar 19 21:32:48 DrGrov: it has a miniature battery with low capacity, and is a quasi full blown computer :| Mar 19 21:33:00 Shapeshifter: lol :/ Mar 19 21:33:35 Shapeshifter: i dont mind charging it at all once a day. it is fast charging still so. Mar 19 21:33:56 DrGrov: maybe get a car adaptor if you're driving a lot. Mar 19 21:34:11 Spare battery isn't a bad plan Mar 19 21:34:13 Shapeshifter: yeah, it could be a good idea. Mar 19 21:34:22 Shapeshifter: yeah, spare battery is a good choice as well. Mar 19 21:34:48 one thing i got working well today is the FM-transmitter for my car stereo :) so something positive Mar 19 21:35:00 :) Mar 19 21:35:07 DrGrov: if you want to turn your somewhat bulky n900 into a brick, get this: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Mar 19 21:35:10 * SpeedEvil wishes that FM transmitter diddn't suck by design. Mar 19 21:35:28 But it can't both work well, and not interfere with others - even neglecting legality. Mar 19 21:35:36 i gotta remember to turn off the FM-transmitter before I go to sleep LOL Mar 19 21:35:56 hi Mar 19 21:35:57 SpeedEvil: true, it is not perfect in the car but works out kind of good still. Mar 19 21:36:00 hi hcarrega Mar 19 21:36:23 it is better than not having one, barely Mar 19 21:36:28 yeah, barely Mar 19 21:36:33 brb, checking some house Mar 19 21:36:56 * Shapeshifter notices that those fingernais sure are handy at opening the n900 back cover Mar 19 21:39:27 that really is one hell of a huge brick cover Mar 19 21:40:40 what a crap design. Mar 19 21:40:51 how would you improve it Mar 19 21:41:29 pupnik: make the battery cell longer covering the whole back area and instead make it slimmer. or at least put in more cells below all that wasted empty space Mar 19 21:41:32 pupnik: Like this! http://www.dhlovelife.com/v2/cart/product_details.php?Item_Quantity_=7 Mar 19 21:41:55 Shapeshifter: making the battery more than one cell is a non-starter - boosts costs stupidly Mar 19 21:42:05 Shapeshifter: also - that internal space isn't actually blank Mar 19 21:42:33 SpeedEvil: not blank? Mar 19 21:42:44 there is shit in there Mar 19 21:42:58 you've seen a picture of the inside of the mugen back cover? Mar 19 21:43:27 no Mar 19 21:43:48 huh? There's nothing Mar 19 21:43:49 Shapeshifter: yeah it would have been nice - but SpeedEvil is right - making a fancy battery design with two-tiers wouldn't be cheap Mar 19 21:44:09 Shapeshifter: oh - you're talking about the mugen cover? Mar 19 21:44:14 I hhave no idea about that Mar 19 21:44:27 http://stuff.moritzg.ch/brick-cover.png Mar 19 21:44:29 yeah Mar 19 21:45:14 A back cover with a slidable optical zoom would be funky too Mar 19 21:45:22 funky, yes. Mar 19 21:45:24 ^^ Mar 19 21:45:51 does somebody know if sygic is available to download somewhere ? demo or something ? i dont want to buy anything without testing it :) and sorry my english :D i am from finland :) Mar 19 21:46:01 at that size, you could pop in a retractable knife, magnifying glass, cigarette lighter and bottle opener as well.... Mar 19 21:46:14 i'm all for bottle opener Mar 19 21:46:19 Naah - I have ciggy lighter on keyring. Mar 19 21:46:30 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3734 Mar 19 21:46:35 Works well Mar 19 21:47:40 http://fitzwilliampenn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Huge_Swiss_Army_Knife.jpg will fit under that mugen cover. Mar 19 21:48:54 i kind of feel obligated to support mugen in this Mar 19 21:49:56 I think that mugen extended battery looks quite handy. Could get a full day of video, camera, and web. Mar 19 21:51:22 i couldn't Mar 19 21:51:25 just wonder how the lack of the camera cover would impact things Mar 19 21:51:36 don't poke the camera lens Mar 19 21:51:38 will the camera app launch whenever you restart? Mar 19 21:51:58 it would be nice. but the thinkness of the n900 in its current state is already somewhat at the upper limit. And I'm very insensitive to bulkyness Mar 19 21:52:07 to some people, the n900 is already a brick. Mar 19 21:52:11 well i don't think there is any danger of scratching the lens Mar 19 21:52:20 yeah but going way OVER the limit would make it funny Mar 19 21:52:29 imagine people's reactions Mar 19 21:52:29 pupnik: it is funny Mar 19 21:53:02 but hey, that cover will make the n900 get rid of the hazy/blueish flash pictures problem Mar 19 21:53:22 http://www.agrussell.com/product.asp?pn=RUS-P6CQ - I have the plain one. Works well. :) Mar 19 21:53:24 that big cove would make it as thick as our previous nokias Mar 19 21:53:25 (of knives) Mar 19 21:53:43 it'll also solve the problem of the screen cracking from the n900 fitting in a jeans pocket Mar 19 21:54:09 greenfly: screen cracking? Mar 19 21:54:46 the current trend of skinny jeans doesn't blend well with large-screened portable devices Mar 19 21:54:48 hmm some people are still ebaying nokia boots Mar 19 21:55:21 but maep is pretty awesome. too bad it has no navigation. but it's really what I'd like to see in terms of speed and interface for a gps software Mar 19 21:55:32 but if you make the n900 larger than you could fit in any pocket the problem is solved Mar 19 21:55:49 greenfly: I wear those tech-guy 10-pockets type of pants xD Mar 19 21:57:32 I think it'd be easier to just carry around one of those portable rechargeable usb chargers than make the n900 thicker Mar 19 21:57:50 greenfly: usb charging is quite slow Mar 19 21:57:52 too right, I can't see the point of the mugen battery whatsoever Mar 19 21:58:27 a second battery or real power outlet are the options imo Mar 19 21:58:39 it's rarely the case that you're somewhere where there really isn't any power Mar 19 22:05:25 hello Mar 19 22:06:10 >_> Mar 19 22:07:43 <_< Mar 19 22:13:36 http://cgi.ebay.de/Nokia-Rubber-Boots-wading-size-47-Finland-hunting-Fish_W0QQitemZ150423669253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Men_s_Athletic_Footwear?hash=item2305f30a05 Mar 19 22:19:24 pupnik: those look pretty sweet but they'll probably be obsolete in a few months Mar 19 22:19:40 they seem to have lasted 20 years rather well Mar 19 22:20:22 >_> Mar 19 22:21:18 hmm, ive had that type of nokia boots, shame my feet grew too big for em Mar 19 22:37:58 * Arif_ blinks Mar 19 22:39:36 :/ i would like those Mar 19 22:40:46 on the other hand, i can spraypaint a logo on my own boots and have as much fun Mar 19 22:42:40 do you want Nokia made paper? Mar 19 22:44:25 they made paper too? Mar 19 22:44:35 yes Mar 19 22:46:46 hey Arif_ do you know Khertan? Mar 19 22:47:02 mh Mar 19 22:47:03 no Mar 19 22:47:35 also .fr Mar 19 22:49:14 also? Mar 19 22:49:21 stop insulting me Mar 19 22:49:22 ;( Mar 19 22:50:06 hey, the french are cool Mar 19 22:50:21 apart from the fact that many of them code in french. Mar 19 22:55:20 being in #maemo, we have more in common than nationality anyway Mar 19 22:57:42 "Craigix: Oh, forgot to tell you all, the battery was upped to 4200mah" you have to respect real geeks Mar 19 22:58:23 what battery Mar 19 22:59:04 the openpandora one Mar 19 22:59:36 screw these "N900 is too big" candyass ... whatevers Mar 19 22:59:51 it's too SMALL Mar 19 22:59:59 to big for what Mar 19 23:00:22 for their wallet, clearly Mar 19 23:00:49 small? Mar 19 23:00:56 its a brick Mar 19 23:00:56 :D Mar 19 23:03:46 it is exactly as wide as the palm of my hand Mar 19 23:04:05 openpandora: every unit comes with a free case of carpal tunnel Mar 19 23:04:39 Damn this battery lifetime Mar 19 23:04:55 the ergonomics is extremely good Mar 19 23:05:16 and you'd know that how? Mar 19 23:05:59 It is not even close to what I expect... I just powered it off, fully charged it, turned it on, opened WiFi and checked some 2-3 Youtube videos and deleted some messages and call log. But back again to around 50% of battery time after just keeping it on for about 1 hour, 1,5 hour tops. Mar 19 23:06:12 because i can visualize Mar 19 23:06:53 you'd have to, because two years on and pandora still hasn't shipped Mar 19 23:08:15 DrGrov: it seems to last for about two days for me; perhaps there's some battery calibration you have to do before percentages mean anything Mar 19 23:08:24 How do I know that the N900 is switched off when charging? Mar 19 23:08:32 DrGrov, sounds like something's up. Mar 19 23:09:55 DrGrov, it's not. Mar 19 23:14:11 DrGrov: try running it flat Mar 19 23:18:48 pwnguin: ok, i don't mean percentages but an estimate of the battery status. Mar 19 23:19:08 GeneralAntilles: i don't know now that the power is off when i am recharging it? Mar 19 23:19:24 DrGrov, the power is not off when you're recharging it. Mar 19 23:19:26 SpeedEvil: running it flat? completely drain out the battery and let it power off? Mar 19 23:19:29 It's mostly booted, in fact. Mar 19 23:19:49 GeneralAntilles: aha, but i actually have turned off the power completely and put in the charger once it has closed down. Mar 19 23:20:00 DrGrov, and it boots back up to charge. Mar 19 23:21:15 GeneralAntilles: aha, so there is no way to sort of fully charge it? Mar 19 23:21:26 DrGrov, what do you mean? Mar 19 23:21:38 Why wouldn't it be able to charge fully when it's on? Mar 19 23:22:21 lshal|grep voltage.current will tell you current voltage Mar 19 23:22:35 It should be 4190+-10 or so when fully charged Mar 19 23:22:47 GeneralAntilles: i usually always had a thing when charging that i switch off my phone when i charge and then power it back on Mar 19 23:23:01 DrGrov, to what end? Mar 19 23:23:03 SpeedEvil: ok, i will test that line tomorrow. Mar 19 23:23:07 Rebooting is power-intensive. Mar 19 23:23:07 There is no need to do that with the wall charger Mar 19 23:23:18 DrGrov: iirc you don't have the device for very long? All I know, it's recommended to do at least 10 charge/deplete-to-about-10% cycles at the beginning and the deplete it completely to "condition" the battery Mar 19 23:23:22 it is just a thing i've always been doing Mar 19 23:23:23 With the USB charger, it's slightly helpful in terms of charge speed Mar 19 23:23:34 Shapeshifter, not for single-cell batteries. Mar 19 23:23:36 DrGrov: after that, don't deplete the battery fully all too often, but every now and then. Mar 19 23:23:40 GeneralAntilles: oh? Mar 19 23:23:40 Shapeshifter, there's nothing to calibrate. Mar 19 23:24:05 There's no need to play the calibration game on anything but multicell laptop batteries. Mar 19 23:24:13 aha. Mar 19 23:24:19 Shapeshifter: no, i had the device for 7 days now. what i understand of the n900 battery is that i should not let it run out completely. Mar 19 23:24:39 pwnguin: yeah and when it is in my grubby mitts, it will still kick butt two years later. that's pretty good Mar 19 23:24:57 Shapeshifter: i can and should charge the battery whenever i feel like it without losing any charging capacity. Mar 19 23:25:09 Shapeshifter: my cousin has been working with electronics the past 20 years or so Mar 19 23:25:30 Shapeshifter: he's the one who told me that it doesn't matter on the N900 battery how I do with the charge and when... Mar 19 23:25:53 DrGrov, for the most part. Mar 19 23:26:03 But it's recommended not to let it discharge more than is necessary Mar 19 23:26:20 and don't leave it in a depleted state for a long period of time. Mar 19 23:26:26 GeneralAntilles: yes, and that I haven't done. I keep it around 50% of the battery status and then charge. Mar 19 23:27:14 GeneralAntilles: yeah, that can be a PITA to leave it depleted for a longer period of time. Luckily that is not the case now with my old N97 that my fiancee has in use at the moment. I kept that depleted for about 1 month or so. And the battery is lasting long for her. Mar 19 23:29:36 So, now when the power should be off and charging... How do I know that it is not turned off? Pressing the "lock" button on the top side gently to check? Mar 19 23:29:39 damnnn.. Mar 19 23:31:49 DrGrov, you know because the charger's plugged in Mar 19 23:31:55 You don't need to turn it off to charge, though. Mar 19 23:32:34 GeneralAntilles: I just have always turned all my phones off when I charge. Don't ask me why, it is a old habit which is hard to kill off :) Mar 19 23:32:43 DrGrov, kill it. ;) Mar 19 23:32:58 that's a weird habbit... Mar 19 23:33:08 GeneralAntilles: The left side LED in the front panel is omitting a orangish light atm... Mar 19 23:33:14 GeneralAntilles: no, I refuse to kill it ;) Mar 19 23:33:52 GeneralAntilles: i am used to having perfect track record of keeping my phones perfect in shape. my old N73ME just has a 0.5mm scratch on the left upper side on the back panel. And that is it ; ) Mar 19 23:34:25 DrGrov, well, then, turning it off to charge is a good habit to kill. :) Mar 19 23:35:05 GeneralAntilles: ah yes, it is. I always have taken very good care of all my phones and other electronics. Mar 19 23:35:23 GeneralAntilles: but seriously, how do I know the phone is switched off when I keep it charging now? LOL Mar 19 23:35:29 GeneralAntilles: i am getting nervous ;) Mar 19 23:35:38 DrGrov, it's not turned off when charging Mar 19 23:35:39 well, define off. Mar 19 23:35:44 because when charging, it isnt Mar 19 23:35:46 It has to boot to load the battery charging daemon. Mar 19 23:35:49 its just not booted to the full os Mar 19 23:35:54 So if you have the charger plugged in then it's on. Mar 19 23:35:57 Full stop. Mar 19 23:36:20 DrGrov, turning it off for charging is pointless and actually uses up more power in the long run. Mar 19 23:36:59 GeneralAntilles: so, if I keep the charger in after it has fully charged it will drain power until I put power on? Mar 19 23:37:18 yes, slowly Mar 19 23:37:24 DrGrov, shutting down and booting use up a lot of power. Mar 19 23:37:26 and then booting the phone will use gobloads of power Mar 19 23:37:52 GeneralAntilles: aha, so that explains my god damn power drain Mar 19 23:38:20 No I charge it so the green light is on and then unplug the damn charger and let it be off. I don't give a flying fuck :D Mar 19 23:38:53 and then turning it on to use = uses lots of the power you just put into it Mar 19 23:39:00 may as well just charge it to full while already on. Mar 19 23:39:55 nidO: ok, but i take out the charger cable now when it has charged and don't turn it on anymore tonight. just in the morning. still same thing? Mar 19 23:40:46 have you tried a different battery? Mar 19 23:40:47 nidO: extra power draining because i turn it on immidiately after charging and same thing when turning it on in the morning after 10-12 hours? Mar 19 23:41:04 well, when you turn it on in the morning itll still use a big chunk of power. I have no idea what your actual issue is though, I joined this conversation halfway through Mar 19 23:41:13 i am sure it is my excessive booting up that drains the battery Mar 19 23:41:34 * shamus is happy he finaly managed to get good life out of his n800 almost 2 days wifi on on standby Mar 19 23:41:51 i just like to turn on my phone and then charge it and then leave it like that. Mar 19 23:42:12 it always has been my thing with my nokia phones... never this serious battery draining as the n900... Mar 19 23:42:30 but nevermind, i will charge it again tomorrow with power on when i switch it on. Mar 19 23:42:35 so, no problem Mar 19 23:42:48 thanks nidO, Arif_, GeneralAntilles and the rest of you guys for helping :) Mar 19 23:48:27 I know I might sound like a complete freaking idiot most of the time... Mar 19 23:48:32 I apologize. Mar 19 23:50:53 it's sort of wrong to compare N900 'phones' Mar 19 23:51:10 i compare it to N810 ;P Mar 19 23:51:12 pupnik: how you mean? Mar 19 23:51:38 pupnik: you think there will be any 3G video calls from phone -> phone in the future for the N900? Mar 19 23:51:58 knowing Nokia there won't Mar 19 23:52:32 learn about the Internet Tablets and Maemo DrGrov Mar 19 23:52:42 that is the lineage of N900 Mar 19 23:54:58 pupnik: i am actually pretty well read on this matters but don't really know so much practical things since i haven't had a N800/N810.. Mar 19 23:55:09 *these Mar 19 23:55:28 pupnik: so trying to learn one step at a time Mar 19 23:55:44 ok well you understand then why it is sort of wrong to compare N900 to what people think of as phones. - smartphones are a different class of battery eaters Mar 19 23:58:03 fast cpu, lots of ram and flash, huge bright screens, websites chewing CPU... Mar 19 23:58:14 "Ah kinna change the laws o'physics kaptin!" Mar 19 23:58:27 pupnik: sure, I had myself an N97 for a quite long period of time so I know what the smartphones are considering battery Mar 19 23:58:42 ah k Mar 20 00:02:19 pupnik: but i think the N900 will just become better and better when more people get it available Mar 20 00:03:38 * Arif_ is thinking of getting an X6 Mar 20 00:04:03 lol S60 Mar 20 00:04:05 What a bad joke. Mar 20 00:05:23 symbian \o/ Mar 20 00:05:34 hi all, anyone got the sygic maps going? I'm having problems getting them on - they segfault on start... I don't have no SD card so can't get it anywhere else... /home/opt is only 2 gig, is it supposed to go there? Mar 20 00:05:35 . . . is shit Mar 20 00:05:47 "I have discovered the secret of deceiving diplomats. I tell them the truth and they don't believe me." Mar 20 00:05:56 hrm.. I think the LED on my phone is failing Mar 20 00:06:09 Saviq, MyDocs Mar 20 00:06:11 Red LED of death? Mar 20 00:06:20 it only works intermittently Mar 20 00:06:40 Arif_: ah so no subfolders? Maps, Res and Drive directly under MyDocs? Mar 20 00:06:46 yes Mar 20 00:06:50 is the IR on n900 irda? Mar 20 00:07:54 Arif_: thanks a bunch Mar 20 00:08:05 dotCOMmie, no, CIR. Mar 20 00:08:44 CIR? so its able to send arbitrary IR sequences? Mar 20 00:08:56 Are there any IR apps out there? Mar 20 00:08:57 Just not receive. Mar 20 00:09:19 ah Mar 20 00:09:26 irreco Mar 20 00:10:41 GeneralAntilles: cool Mar 20 00:13:25 it would be cool if we'd be able to send an IR to the phone to take a picture Mar 20 00:15:54 hi, does anyone here use wiicontrol Mar 20 00:16:50 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 20 00:21:53 dotCOMmie: IR LEDs are connected to a SoC PWM Mar 20 00:22:44 dotCOMmie: (nobody is able to understand why nokia didn't use the CIR dedicated function pin) Mar 20 00:25:38 hi Mar 20 00:25:58 just got the n900 today, i am impressed! Mar 20 00:26:23 :) Mar 20 00:26:40 im a bit stuck with installing from source though Mar 20 00:27:02 wut Mar 20 00:27:21 aye, it is shameful i know Mar 20 00:27:55 installing from source? Mar 20 00:28:04 nobody's installing from source. I mean that's not gentoo, you know Mar 20 00:28:13 DocScrutinizer: and thats the reason for why it can send only? Mar 20 00:28:23 dotCOMmie: no Mar 20 00:28:24 lol well that explains my difficulty then! Mar 20 00:28:36 dotCOMmie: the reason it can't recieve is there is no hardware Mar 20 00:28:38 dotCOMmie: nope. It got no rcv at all Mar 20 00:29:26 Most of general purpose pins are IO so I figued you could do in on CIR pin Mar 20 00:29:44 DocScrutinizer: are there any interesting docs on the internal hardware? Mar 20 00:30:07 so if i have added the extras, extras-test and dev repositories, does that mean there is nothing else currently available to install? Mar 20 00:30:33 dotCOMmie: the schematics Mar 20 00:30:50 and SpeedEvil 's pretty good wiki pages Mar 20 00:32:05 dotCOMmie: though accuracy of schem is questionable Mar 20 00:33:24 ~botsnack Mar 20 00:33:25 DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee Mar 20 00:43:47 dotCOMmie: there are in principle places to attach CIR reciever, and you could read it - but... Mar 20 00:44:08 Soldering to phone may void warranty. Mar 20 00:44:53 anybody got a pointer to the schem? Mar 20 00:45:33 * DocScrutinizer wondering if tmo thread of mohammadag got deleted Mar 20 00:46:00 google seems to fail for me Mar 20 00:47:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Mar 20 00:47:31 SpeedEvil: there are? o.O How'd ya tell Mar 20 00:48:08 SpeedEvil: thnx Mar 20 00:48:20 DocScrutinizer: I mean for example any of the accessible GPIOs that go to something. Mar 20 00:48:37 For example, the SD card has 6, and power - if you don't want to use it Mar 20 00:50:18 AHH you R talking bout hacks, not generic empty footprints. Yeah, of course there are ;-D Mar 20 00:50:32 y Mar 20 00:51:23 * DocScrutinizer points to AV connector Mar 20 00:51:42 no sldering ;-D Mar 20 00:52:17 that too Mar 20 00:52:27 dir cheap Mar 20 00:52:34 dirT even Mar 20 00:52:35 Or in principle camera hacks Mar 20 00:52:48 (friggin remnants in kbd) Mar 20 00:53:13 yup, the "barcode" approach Mar 20 00:53:14 Remnants? Mar 20 00:53:19 That sounds . . . horrifying. Mar 20 00:53:36 no idea, GA. my english is horrid Mar 20 00:53:55 DocScrutinizer, remnants of the souls you've devoured clogging up your keyboard? :P Mar 20 00:54:28 * DocScrutinizer missing his ding on fsckng kde4 Mar 20 00:54:40 sorry you lost me. told ya Mar 20 00:55:21 there's no remnants, clogging, or devoured in any datasheet or IT-mag Mar 20 00:55:38 ;.( Mar 20 00:55:52 I'm a socail crook Mar 20 00:57:10 basically there are just sn Mar 20 00:57:27 small pieces of dirt in my kbd Mar 20 00:58:08 probably tobacco, small pieces of cookies, and dunno youdontwannaknow Mar 20 00:58:41 Remnants is probably appropriate, then. ;) Mar 20 01:00:09 I'm a Zappa fanboy. and I thought of the muffin man ;-P Mar 20 01:02:03 HE GATHERS AN INTIMATE QUANTITY OF DRIED MUFFIN REMNANTS Mar 20 01:02:28 and proceeds to dump these inside the pocket of his shirt Mar 20 01:03:50 http://www.golyr.de/frank-zappa/songtext-muffin-man-115304.html Mar 20 01:11:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm7uJ74XFI&feature=related Mar 20 01:13:50 hey so 23x3 keyboard switches, so can we tell from software whether the left or right side of space bar was pressed? (for example) Mar 20 01:14:51 looks like no, they're both wired to same input Mar 20 01:17:13 3 * 23(?!!?) Mar 20 01:17:22 that'd be rather nicew Mar 20 01:17:55 yeah, i mean 13 not 23 Mar 20 01:21:51 and actually yeah, another missed opportunity of Nokia EE (damn!). got a 8 * 8 hw matrix scanner, and coonected TWO space switches to 1/5 each Mar 20 01:25:19 actually 4/5 Mar 20 01:26:17 btw one of the ugliest matrix kbd schematics I ever seen Mar 20 01:27:05 just for the drawing Mar 20 01:28:20 re Hi al Mar 20 01:28:29 damn, soooo ugly. 3/5 actually Mar 20 01:29:56 nothing seems to be connected on 3/6 (they just skipped it) could it be a mistake on the scheme? Mar 20 01:30:23 yes Mar 20 01:30:27 nope, they just don't need it - too few switches :-( Mar 20 01:30:38 but why use 3/7 then? Mar 20 01:30:43 it's not the final schem Mar 20 01:31:05 N900evil: any proof for that meantime? Mar 20 01:31:25 of what Mar 20 01:31:31 (except for the A vs AB USB) Mar 20 01:31:35 i had a list. Mar 20 01:31:45 for the preliminary state of schem Mar 20 01:31:45 but I eated it. Mar 20 01:32:18 IHAZCHEEZBURGER Mar 20 01:33:36 N900evil: honestly, we should try to confirm how much the schem is (in)accurate Mar 20 01:33:51 oh Mar 20 01:33:54 also Mar 20 01:34:15 look at the debug pads - wrong layout Mar 20 01:34:45 and the components aroumd the mmc are wrong too Mar 20 01:34:54 for cheapcheese like kbd matrix it's simple: freeze scheduler, access I2C to read out GAIA directly Mar 20 01:35:53 damn, I don't give a fuck about placement of testpoints and components Mar 20 01:37:22 N900evil: see, the GTA02/A7 board looks RATHER different to the A6. Still the actual hw changes are minimal to negligable Mar 20 01:37:36 true Mar 20 01:37:37 (though they made for buzzfix :-P ) Mar 20 01:38:05 diddn't you say you were thinking of taking of the back? Mar 20 01:38:33 not really, since I found the highres photos at end of schem Mar 20 01:39:52 U know, it's my daily phone. And in contrary to GTA02 there's no company to send me free samples Mar 20 01:41:30 not to mention I wouldn't even need free samples for anything but QA, if I were in the position I had at OM Mar 20 01:46:44 btw kbd matrix is so eeeaasy to figure by any poorly gifted hacker who has access to kernel sources Mar 20 01:47:39 Even *I* could look up if it's like the schem suggests, if it wasn't for the mere access Mar 20 01:48:09 anyone use NFS client on maemo with FreeBSD server? Mar 20 01:48:36 why would anybody want to do this? there's sshfs/fuse Mar 20 01:49:32 DocScrutinizer: NFS is still better for huge files Mar 20 01:49:42 sshfs has massive overhead Mar 20 01:49:43 hmm, okay Mar 20 01:50:01 but NFS has other issues Mar 20 01:50:06 for small or reasonable sized files sshfs is ok (ie < 5Mb) Mar 20 01:50:30 DocScrutinizer: I know. I've battled NIS/statd/biod as much or more as the next guy Mar 20 01:50:56 It's even OK for 8GB video files, if you get the needed bandwidth Mar 20 01:51:24 DocScrutinizer: ok to retrieve/play it, not to edit Mar 20 01:51:34 yep Mar 20 01:52:18 but for edit, you most likely don't want to use GPRS or WiFi anyway. And on USB you got mass storage Mar 20 01:52:30 and SMB Mar 20 01:52:36 if you like Mar 20 01:52:51 Oh you did not just bring the ugliest TLA in networking.... Mar 20 01:53:17 please rephrase Mar 20 01:53:41 SMB to me is the ugliest technology in networking Mar 20 01:53:51 yup, ack Mar 20 01:54:28 anyway, NFS should be just fine. I mean, that's a linux, isn't it Mar 20 01:55:00 well..... Linux NFS client to solaris NFS server has some issues Mar 20 01:55:12 but AFAIK towards BSD server is ok Mar 20 01:59:11 this is over wifi at home, read: little latency Mar 20 01:59:49 mass storage isn't much use if you want to mount a server share on n900 Mar 20 02:00:34 eg if you want to mount SDK chroot or something Mar 20 02:01:17 that's going to suck with sshfs too Mar 20 02:04:40 remote mount SDK chroot? err WHAT? Mar 20 02:05:44 winXP drive share of a redmont virus run in qemu? Mar 20 02:06:21 over VPN in a chroot Mar 20 02:09:01 of course IPv6 Mar 20 02:13:03 DocScrutinizer that sounds painful Mar 20 02:14:52 yep, somewhat. Like "eg if you want to mount SDK chroot" Mar 20 02:15:58 but possibly I just don't get it, and it's the killer usecase Mar 20 02:17:02 and the mass-storage mount a server bit is actually quite right Mar 20 02:17:55 having the toolchain available right on the device is much easier than dealing with qemu/scratchbox crap Mar 20 02:18:18 ............................................................... Mar 20 02:18:58 DocScrutinizer is there any util I am unaware to dump to a file the list of installed user/* packages like HAM shows so I can stick in bugzilla. Gathering that by hand is downright tedious and a disincentive to actually report issues... Mar 20 02:19:25 njsf_noup Mar 20 02:19:45 friggin trolls Mar 20 02:20:18 What mean friggin ? Mar 20 02:20:22 njsf_: No idea. I guess a apt-crack would know how to do that Mar 20 02:20:47 njsf_: No idea. I guess a apt-crack would know how to do that Mar 20 02:21:08 GeneralAntilles: k Mar 20 02:21:14 could you please? Mar 20 02:21:42 could you please? Mar 20 02:22:04 something weird happened with my N900 today, I put it on charge and left it there.. then after a while when I went to use it, it was frozen in standby mode and wouldn't come back on Mar 20 02:22:23 trying to turn it off wouldn't help either, and when I unplugged the charger, the little LED was still flashing yellow :> Mar 20 02:22:39 so I had to rip out the battery to restart it Mar 20 02:22:55 Oops, what a time to go make a sandwich. Mar 20 02:23:04 :-) Mar 20 02:23:33 power abuse!! :P Mar 20 02:24:10 fuck you DocScrutinizer!!!!!!!!!11 Mar 20 02:24:28 wasn't him :P Mar 20 02:25:21 anyway, has anyone else experienced the same bug with the N900? :P Mar 20 02:26:24 Funnyface: not that one in particular Mar 20 02:26:34 I've had it lock for several seconds, I think trackerd was doing it Mar 20 02:26:35 and also, is there any more convenient way to restart it when it is frozen? on my winmo device I could stick the stylus into a little hole to restart the device :P Mar 20 02:26:37 BTW, DocScrutinizer I figured it out: Mar 20 02:26:41 dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\t${Version}\n' | grep ^user Mar 20 02:26:42 Funnyface: sounds like a solid freeze Mar 20 02:29:09 yep, probably froze while in standby Mar 20 02:29:56 Funnyface: the bat charger chip is able to light the yellow notify LED, even while SoC/CPU is dead. No idea if it knows how to flash though Mar 20 02:30:54 but the LP5523 LED manager chip can crate a whole fireworks without CPU... so... Mar 20 02:31:23 s/crate/create Mar 20 02:31:28 :P Mar 20 02:33:21 Funnyface: blame the solar flares, or cosmic radiation created by distant supernovea ;-P Mar 20 02:33:46 I blame nokia :) Mar 20 02:34:11 hrhrr Mar 20 02:43:39 what a strange russian trollie Mar 20 02:45:41 Funnyface: afaik there's no hard reset button, kbd-combo, or hidden switch Mar 20 02:46:16 Funnyface: but there's a hw-watchdog. So complete freezes are rather unlikely Mar 20 02:46:59 Funnyface: you tried >10s powerbutton? Mar 20 02:47:12 yes I did, had no effect Mar 20 02:47:25 or well, not sure if I tried for 10 full secs Mar 20 02:47:40 but I tried for long enough that I thought it just wouldn't work :P Mar 20 02:51:53 anyway I am off to sleep. I will try the power button even longer the next time it happens (if it happens again) Mar 20 02:52:09 nite Mar 20 02:52:16 night Mar 20 02:54:33 nite Mar 20 02:55:15 DocScrutinizer, pretty proud of myself. Came up with a one liner of just pre-installed stuff that should actually be suggested in bugzilla on the extra software :-) Mar 20 02:55:20 dpkg-query -W -f='${Section;-20}\t${Status}\t${Package;-20}\t${Version}\n' | awk '/^user/ && /installed/ { printf "%-40s %s\n",$5,$6 }' Mar 20 02:55:36 :-)) Mar 20 02:56:38 * DocScrutinizer suggests wiki for a first shot Mar 20 02:57:00 yep, I guess I should :-) Mar 20 02:57:43 actually the ;-20 on the dpkg-query are superfluous ... just a remnant of a dpkg-query only attempt :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 20 02:59:58 2010