**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 02:59:57 2010 Mar 25 03:00:36 do u know anything about pref.js ? Mar 25 03:00:39 where is located Mar 25 03:01:17 /home/user/.mozilla prolly .. but microb is different! Mar 25 03:02:03 better get your network working Mar 25 03:02:17 its already working no ? Mar 25 03:02:18 i bet you cant ping other ip's from the n900 than the laptop Mar 25 03:02:21 i can ping Mar 25 03:02:26 other ones? Mar 25 03:02:27 umm Mar 25 03:02:33 not the laptop Mar 25 03:02:40 u mean yahoo.com Mar 25 03:02:43 ping ? Mar 25 03:02:51 thats a prerequisite and windows network setup Mar 25 03:02:53 yes for example Mar 25 03:03:00 u r right Mar 25 03:03:01 or ix.de or google.com Mar 25 03:03:14 so fix the windows networking settings Mar 25 03:03:34 iirc its named 'connection sharing' in windows .. Mar 25 03:03:50 at least someone told me thats it in XP ... i never used XP Mar 25 03:03:55 oh Mar 25 03:04:03 yea i have done all the research about that :) Mar 25 03:04:08 * cehteh left windows more than 10 years ago Mar 25 03:04:13 on win 7 when u do connection sharing Mar 25 03:04:33 it assigns its own rubbish ip address to the adapter that wants to share the connection Mar 25 03:04:39 and the network doesnt work Mar 25 03:04:49 well thats not *my* problem :P Mar 25 03:05:06 I'm playing around in scratchbox and qemu-arm Mar 25 03:05:11 and doesnt the n900 get a ip by dhcp from the laptop then? Mar 25 03:05:17 and I can't seem to run an armel executable Mar 25 03:05:27 I got export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=qemu-arm. Mar 25 03:06:02 installed and followed the SDK instructions or some generic scratchbox setup? Mar 25 03:06:14 :) Mar 25 03:06:17 yeah Mar 25 03:06:21 says executable not found Mar 25 03:06:22 silverbullet: you should be able to assign a "main" adapter, all the other adapters will have the same address as that one Mar 25 03:06:22 in the first case .. you did something wrong Mar 25 03:06:25 and it's right there... Mar 25 03:06:29 in the second case .. you did something wrong Mar 25 03:06:40 hmm Mar 25 03:07:27 this about:config is not saving my http proxy Mar 25 03:07:34 good Mar 25 03:07:34 i change it, press enter key Mar 25 03:07:50 close browser and open brower , goto about:config and the setting i wrote is gone Mar 25 03:07:50 you may brick microb and dont be able to fix it :P Mar 25 03:07:52 !! Mar 25 03:07:53 uhh Mar 25 03:08:05 dont edit about:config in microb Mar 25 03:08:36 you using windows .. i get what you deserve .. fix the windows network settings Mar 25 03:08:53 look i know about:config can brick the microb, but what i'm not touching anything that doesnt concern me Mar 25 03:08:57 dont worry :) Mar 25 03:09:24 i'm just trying to change the "network.proxy.http" value change and *persist* Mar 25 03:09:26 haha i dont worry, i am absolutely certain, whatever you do wont cause trouble for me Mar 25 03:09:30 but it doesnt Mar 25 03:10:02 yes microb is a heavy modified gecko engine by nokia with some custom gui Mar 25 03:10:14 dont expect that it will work like firefox Mar 25 03:14:32 I always find those - http://pastie.org/private/ov45ccqmahnecdddyamq Mar 25 03:15:58 the proxy pref is likely being set from other places like connectivity and env Mar 25 03:16:36 sp3000: i told that already :P Mar 25 03:17:23 LiraNuna: just g++ does? Mar 25 03:17:35 yes Mar 25 03:17:42 well, gcc too Mar 25 03:18:07 don't know if you mean arm-linux-g++ vs g++ or arm-linux-g++ vs arm-linux-gcc Mar 25 03:18:22 yes i meant that and try without the -mcpu flog Mar 25 03:18:25 flag Mar 25 03:18:51 no -mcpu still breaks Mar 25 03:19:04 -O1 and above breaks it Mar 25 03:19:13 and only g++ not arm-linux-g++ ? Mar 25 03:19:14 wait, -O3 does not Mar 25 03:19:31 only -O1 and -O2 Mar 25 03:19:39 I know I should've compiled my own toolchain Mar 25 03:19:58 mhm playing with neon instructions? Mar 25 03:20:02 yep Mar 25 03:20:13 hence why I set -mcpu and -mfpu-abi Mar 25 03:20:30 yeah dunno about that Mar 25 03:20:30 -mfpu* Mar 25 03:20:49 can I use my own toolchain with scratchbox? Mar 25 03:21:15 speaking from possibility standpoint, not support Mar 25 03:21:44 dunno Mar 25 03:22:24 I don't have to use scratchbox to code for the N900, right? Mar 25 03:22:52 * cehteh is thinking about installing the sdk on the device in a chroot on the microsd card Mar 25 03:23:04 reformatted to ext3 .. fat wont wok Mar 25 03:23:06 cehteh, I did it on the N810 Mar 25 03:23:07 are Mar 25 03:23:33 cehteh, programming ON the device wasn't fun, it lacks major keys such as {} and | Mar 25 03:23:53 not programming there .. just installing the sdk there and then prolly ssh to it Mar 25 03:24:22 currently i have more free space on the n900 than on my laptop :P Mar 25 03:24:40 but well i am doing other stuff Mar 25 03:25:08 n900 programming is only scratching my own itches, nothing more planned Mar 25 03:25:08 does it start with p and ends with orn? Mar 25 03:25:43 nope other vids and mp3 and a lot of code and git repos Mar 25 03:25:48 LiraNuna: popcorn? Mar 25 03:25:55 crashanddie, YES! Mar 25 03:25:56 and only 100GB 1.8" hdd Mar 25 03:26:18 need a biggier ssd .. need money :P Mar 25 03:26:29 cehteh: I don't think code and git repos is what costs you the space Mar 25 03:27:03 $ du -sh src/ /usr/src/ Mar 25 03:27:04 5.8G src/ Mar 25 03:27:04 1.9G /usr/src/ Mar 25 03:27:13 well ..its reasonable much Mar 25 03:27:46 somehow, I doubt those numbers are pure code :) Mar 25 03:28:11 i didnt saied that .. objectfiles and other resources too Mar 25 03:28:23 make realclean? Mar 25 03:28:27 i dont clean everything Mar 25 03:29:40 quoted Mar 25 03:30:47 du -sh /.enc/scratchbox/ Mar 25 03:30:47 4.2G /.enc/scratchbox/ Mar 25 03:30:55 the sdk isnt small either Mar 25 03:31:00 so one adds to another Mar 25 03:32:49 you may want to try putting object files on a RAM drive, assuming you can spare the memory, it REALLY speeds things up Mar 25 03:34:35 you know what pagecache means? :) Mar 25 03:36:53 $ time ls -R / >&/dev/null Mar 25 03:36:53 real 0m8.829s Mar 25 03:37:07 * cehteh thinks he is quite good in optimizing linux :) Mar 25 03:37:55 $ time ls -R / 2>&1 | wc -l Mar 25 03:37:56 1332241 Mar 25 03:37:56 real 0m9.310s Mar 25 03:38:30 with an ultra slow 4200rpm 1.8" ide drive Mar 25 03:39:37 cehteh: yea, yea, I don't run Linux, I run FreeBSD and have built world in 45 seconds with /usr/obj sitting on a RAM drive... Mar 25 03:39:58 world being the entire system, kernel and all Mar 25 03:40:33 well if you have plenty of ram or a bad pagecache in your kernel Mar 25 03:41:19 for linux it might improve that build somewhat, but the kernel is better sharing the memory for proper use globally Mar 25 03:41:43 and i bet your ls -R / is still running :P Mar 25 03:43:59 heya all Mar 25 03:51:20 .. Mar 25 04:00:38 hi to everybody Mar 25 04:05:02 anyone home? Mar 25 04:05:29 hey Mar 25 04:05:57 Texrat hey Mar 25 04:06:06 * ml-something waves Mar 25 04:06:08 hello Mar 25 04:07:16 hmm awful quiet Mar 25 04:07:24 pupnik you there? Mar 25 04:07:52 Almost *too* quiet... Mar 25 04:08:26 compared to the meego meeting today especially...lol Mar 25 04:08:32 sheer chaos Mar 25 04:08:53 Oh rats, I missed that meeting. Mar 25 04:08:57 yo Texrat Mar 25 04:09:06 Is it hard to learn how to programm for Maemo with QT/python if i know desktop python/gtk/some qt Mar 25 04:09:07 ? Mar 25 04:09:10 yo yo Sebastian Mar 25 04:09:29 nbdarvin I've heard it's not Mar 25 04:09:42 what platform you developing on Mar 25 04:09:52 nbdarvin: programming for Maemo isn't very different from desktop programming Mar 25 04:10:00 there are great tutorials at maemo.org Mar 25 04:10:17 I'm hoping to get starte don Qt/Python soon too Mar 25 04:10:26 started on* Mar 25 04:10:45 nbdarvin: you just need to pay attention to the UI being used by fingers/stylus, not a mouse, and how to access/use specific devices (LEDs, GPS, accelerometer) Mar 25 04:11:16 nbdarvin: but all the concepts laid down by Linux, such as file access, network, threading is exactly the same (and mostly taken care of by python/Qt anyway) Mar 25 04:11:24 and remember your IF_DEFs! lol Mar 25 04:11:31 Texrat: what's new mate? Mar 25 04:11:40 crashanddie not a damn thing Mar 25 04:11:44 but I'm looking Mar 25 04:11:55 just wrapped up some SQL coding Mar 25 04:12:17 checking in before I go to bed Mar 25 04:12:41 how's your PHP coding skills? Mar 25 04:12:54 mine? Mar 25 04:13:06 no, your second cousin twice removed Mar 25 04:13:16 other people on list :p Mar 25 04:13:19 anyway zero Mar 25 04:13:32 lately it's been SQL and VB.Net Mar 25 04:13:47 you're right, get yourself on python :P Mar 25 04:13:48 used to do javascript but out of practice Mar 25 04:13:53 yeah yeah Mar 25 04:13:56 as much as i hate it, it's better than vb.net Mar 25 04:14:01 although I love SQL and VB Mar 25 04:14:14 man I have a blast in VB.Net Mar 25 04:14:17 love the syntax Mar 25 04:14:35 hey ali1234 Mar 25 04:14:44 hi Mar 25 04:14:56 my DSL modem crashed :( Mar 25 04:15:04 ouch Mar 25 04:15:05 was talking to myself on another channel for ages Mar 25 04:15:14 good company then Mar 25 04:15:24 meh Mar 25 04:15:37 VB's one-line parsing sucks donkey balls Mar 25 04:15:56 feh Mar 25 04:16:03 If (blah.value is Nothing) Then Mar 25 04:16:06 I just love it for the beauty of the language Mar 25 04:16:16 but that's elegant! Mar 25 04:16:19 foo = bar Mar 25 04:16:24 Else Mar 25 04:16:29 Foo == donkeybar Mar 25 04:16:35 End If Mar 25 04:16:39 and...? Mar 25 04:16:43 rather than Mar 25 04:17:14 you can also do Select case Mar 25 04:17:16 foo = IIf(blah.value is Nothing, bar, donkeybar) Mar 25 04:17:18 case if Mar 25 04:17:22 end select Mar 25 04:17:30 um dude Mar 25 04:17:36 VB.Net has IIf Mar 25 04:17:42 my point exactly Mar 25 04:17:45 ??? Mar 25 04:17:51 you can use either Mar 25 04:18:04 shit you can find 4 or 5 ways to run any logic trap Mar 25 04:18:50 anyway I like the look of Python because it reminds me of VB.Net :p Mar 25 04:18:57 so easy transition Mar 25 04:19:07 <-- lazy coder Mar 25 04:19:15 Python has well defined and well thought logic Mar 25 04:19:23 foo = bar if blah.value else donkeybar Mar 25 04:19:33 ^ python Mar 25 04:19:33 VB is just some dudes at MS going "need to be able to do this, let's add this", "need to be able to do that, let's add that too" Mar 25 04:19:34 and Microsoft got SQL right too-- gimme T-SQL any day over PL/SQL Mar 25 04:19:40 lol Mar 25 04:19:53 * Texrat ends Microsoft fanboyism Mar 25 04:20:13 I just gravitate to the tool that fits my thinking Mar 25 04:20:24 I'm a writer, not a mathematician Mar 25 04:20:40 so no C or assembler Mar 25 04:20:47 gimme high level shit, please Mar 25 04:21:08 t-sql sucks in many domains, math, string manipulation, date manipulation... but overall, any kind of SQL sucks to be honest. I'm still waiting for the day SQL turns OO. Mar 25 04:21:17 if that's even possible Mar 25 04:21:22 * cehteh gives Texrat some Prolog Mar 25 04:21:24 you know a language that's hard as hell but rewarding? LISP Mar 25 04:21:43 lol... I coded in Prolog... and Forth... and Logo... and Lisp Mar 25 04:21:57 crashanddie: active record? Mar 25 04:22:07 ali1234: yeah, I use active record quite a bit Mar 25 04:22:13 Texrat: LISP is "hard as hell"?!? Crikey, you're rather dim! Mar 25 04:22:21 hehe Mar 25 04:22:29 hd1: he's a writer, not a mathematician Mar 25 04:22:30 crashanddie what are you smoking? I should show you the T-SQL stuff I did for Nokia. Magic, man Mar 25 04:23:09 hd1 not dim at all, bunky. I taught myself Lisp from AutoCAD examples Mar 25 04:23:19 was not easy but I mastered it Mar 25 04:23:23 I actually found lisp (the scheme variety) to be a VERY good way to learn programming Mar 25 04:23:35 and did shit that our so-called IT staff couldn't touch Mar 25 04:23:42 so dim? not hardly Mar 25 04:23:51 Texrat: string, text, binary manipulation is extremely slow in T-SQL. Mar 25 04:23:57 then again, I AM daft, so go figure Mar 25 04:23:58 Texrat: seriously Mar 25 04:24:07 hd1: that's right, you are daft :) Mar 25 04:24:21 Texrat: PM Mar 25 04:24:25 crashanddie: thank you for agreeing with me, mate Mar 25 04:24:30 any time Mar 25 04:24:32 crashanddie there are ways to make T-SQL sing even on computation Mar 25 04:25:05 you shouldn't have to invent ways. SQL is supposed to be a way to access and use data, you shouldn't have to force the tool into achieving what you need at a speed that is usable Mar 25 04:25:16 ... Mar 25 04:25:33 no forcing, just learnign the ways of the SQL Jedi Mar 25 04:25:33 and I say that regardless of the implementation you support Mar 25 04:25:54 at a basic level, SQL looks very coarse... Mar 25 04:26:10 then you start learnign the advanced shit and the afterburners kick on Mar 25 04:26:40 I really should send you text of some I did for Nokia :D Mar 25 04:26:59 I can show you use cases where PL/SQL starts scraping the bottom so bad its knees are bleeding -- and I'm talking here in systems that fire off 1M requests to handle 200 basic actions, so not your average web server Mar 25 04:27:02 I made that database sing Mar 25 04:27:25 actually I'm not as impressed with PL/SQL. Too crude Mar 25 04:27:47 That's what I work with now and I miss SQL Server. Oracle is psycho Mar 25 04:27:52 stop being a wussy :P Mar 25 04:28:14 lol Mar 25 04:28:16 make me Mar 25 04:28:51 Thing is, Oracle is a beast, I'll agree on that Mar 25 04:29:09 * hd1 used to work for Oracle. Mar 25 04:29:25 Reminds me of the tale of the interview Mar 25 04:29:31 I'll never forgive Oracle for leaving out the bitwise (binary) datatype Mar 25 04:29:34 I mean wtf Mar 25 04:29:45 guy sends a resume to Sybase, gets a phone interview Mar 25 04:30:08 interviewer asks "So why did you apply for a job with us? And not Google, Oracle, Microsoft?" Mar 25 04:30:31 guy replies: "I couldn't find the apply link on Google, never passed second interview with Microsoft" Mar 25 04:30:38 interview: "And Oracle?" Mar 25 04:30:48 "Do you seriously think I haven't applied to the others?" Mar 25 04:30:50 guy: "I don't want to work for a database company" Mar 25 04:30:57 LOL Mar 25 04:30:58 rofl Mar 25 04:42:06 I'd never confess not being able to find a link and not passing a second interview Mar 25 04:43:22 ptl: I've seen emails shooting through between competitors to warn about specific individuals applying for specific jobs Mar 25 04:43:52 might be rare cases Mar 25 04:43:54 and yeah, we've had warnings about those kind of idiots Mar 25 04:44:13 or simply "he's going to con and waste your time" Mar 25 04:44:24 hmmm Mar 25 04:44:51 you know, fall from the stairs on his first day, slam finger in door, sue for inappropriate workplace safety Mar 25 04:45:13 oh, I get it. Mar 25 05:13:18 hello rooom Mar 25 05:13:21 ppl there ? Mar 25 05:13:30 have a question Mar 25 05:16:59 silverbullet: ask it, people review Mar 25 05:17:34 where can I find includes/libs for maemo5? Mar 25 05:17:40 similar to /scratchbox/host_shared but for armel Mar 25 05:17:56 how can i download firefox for n900 on my desktop ? Mar 25 05:20:11 go to http://firefox.com/m with your device Mar 25 05:21:06 I don't think he wants it on his device Mar 25 05:21:12 'on my desktop' Mar 25 05:21:17 oh right Mar 25 05:21:45 tho n900 has many desktops...:P Mar 25 05:22:17 well not really... Mar 25 05:22:17 hehe, I know, but I still don't think that's what he meant Mar 25 05:22:24 yea i know that Mar 25 05:22:42 i said i wanna download it to my laptop . sorry for confusion Mar 25 05:22:54 where can I find includes/libs for maemo5? similar to /scratchbox/host_shared but for armel Mar 25 05:41:37 how do I enable TV out? Mar 25 05:44:19 no first answer my question :p Mar 25 05:47:29 DocScrutinizer51: maybe Mar 25 05:47:39 DocScrutinizer51: did you ever ask the ofono/isimodem guys? Mar 25 06:06:53 anyone have examples of XSLT using the QtXmlPatterns module? Mar 25 06:11:42 64 bytes from terminus (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx): icmp_seq=31145 ttl=56 time=603934 ms Mar 25 06:11:43 Some days, my operator... Mar 25 06:14:16 :D Mar 25 06:15:28 lol, that's one hop away from you, ShadowJK? Mar 25 06:15:54 anyone cares about GCC 4.4.3 targeting N900? Mar 25 06:16:11 you Mar 25 06:16:16 hd1, no it's 10 hops or so normally Mar 25 06:16:30 I already built it, I'm asking if someone is interested in how to build it Mar 25 06:16:45 hd1, but I think I get the same from things 1 hop away too.. Mar 25 06:17:10 hd1: that's pathetic Mar 25 06:17:28 I think they're routing my packets via MARS Mar 25 06:18:13 ShadowJK: that's pathetic Mar 25 06:24:08 hd1: actually, if his packets are being rerouted through Mars, that'd be pretty fucking cool :) Mar 25 06:24:39 those that get through fail checksum so often they might very well be going via mars.. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 25 17:16:14 2010 Mar 25 17:29:01 ciao Mar 25 17:29:03 !lista Mar 25 17:29:40 what is it with the italians and IRC warez seeking? Mar 25 17:32:38 yeah Mar 25 17:32:44 who uses IRC to download warez anyway :P Mar 25 17:33:08 Arif_: I remember times of dcc warez bots Mar 25 17:33:17 fserves ftw Mar 25 17:34:48 The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: rootsh Mar 25 17:34:53 ~curse ham Mar 25 17:35:48 * andrewfblack guesses he needs to go outside of maemo.org community to get some of the applications he wants wrote written. Hard to believe you can't even pay someone to write an app for you. Mar 25 17:36:20 andrewfblack: ? Mar 25 17:37:41 andres: written written, no? :) Mar 25 17:38:19 hrw: just a little rant I've been trying to get a few applications I want written for a few months now. One someone wrote for me on Diablo works on fremantle but has some bugs. I have offered bountys for them but I guess I need to try one of those freelancer sites Mar 25 17:42:53 ~botsnack Mar 25 17:42:54 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Mar 25 17:43:02 DocScrutinizer: who'd you bribe? Mar 25 17:43:02 :P Mar 25 17:43:25 ghostbusters! Mar 25 17:43:34 was too stupid to refuse Mar 25 17:43:36 no err... not quite Mar 25 17:47:52 Stskeeps: the canops got tired of me nagging them to do boring housekeeping tasks ;-) Mar 25 17:51:47 lol Mar 25 17:52:11 Stskeeps, it's all about the delegation. Mar 25 17:52:58 DocScrutinizer: good :) Mar 25 17:54:10 Stskeeps: let me put it this way: one more chan to keep an eye on doesn't matter Mar 25 17:55:10 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i know - i forgot a ;) somewhere Mar 25 17:56:23 * C-S-B loves fm transmitter listening to tunes over the radio or using the gps in the car Mar 25 18:06:03 anyone know size of border around icons on desktop? Mar 25 18:09:27 Hi ! Mar 25 18:11:23 Hello! Mar 25 18:12:11 hello Mar 25 18:12:41 ~ping Mar 25 18:12:42 ~pong Mar 25 18:12:43 hi Mar 25 18:12:54 ~ping Mar 25 18:12:55 ~pong Mar 25 18:12:59 wow Mar 25 18:13:06 ~pizza Mar 25 18:13:14 oh, it's you again Mar 25 18:13:20 NO!!! Mar 25 18:13:24 It is not me!! Mar 25 18:13:43 So.. what is new Mar 25 18:14:02 some people don't have better things to do Mar 25 18:14:06 Guy just doesn't know when to quit. Mar 25 18:14:07 ? Mar 25 18:14:19 hey Mar 25 18:14:21 GAN900: gal, apparently. Mar 25 18:14:23 it hurts Mar 25 18:14:29 .ru? Mar 25 18:14:29 you have big balls? Mar 25 18:14:32 really Mar 25 18:14:34 Myrtti, women troll? Mar 25 18:14:36 like Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Mar 25 18:14:42 L0NELY-TR0LL, you should have better things to do Mar 25 18:14:56 zaheerm-lp For example Mar 25 18:14:58 GAN900: so I've been informed Mar 25 18:14:58 ? Mar 25 18:15:20 nice Mar 25 18:15:24 pwned Mar 25 18:15:28 indeed Mar 25 18:15:29 Myrtti, my world view has been shaken. *g* Mar 25 18:15:36 now Mar 25 18:15:39 if he was a real troll Mar 25 18:15:42 watch for hte onslaught Mar 25 18:16:02 she's claimed that female ops are jealous of the attention she gets from men Mar 25 18:16:14 we have female ops? Mar 25 18:16:22 so far, she's managed to get herself banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic Mar 25 18:16:26 Arif_: other channels do Mar 25 18:16:37 though I wouldn't mind the idea on this channel either... *g* Mar 25 18:16:47 ={ Mar 25 18:17:22 God knows I've seen stuff that would have earned atleast a warning on other channels Mar 25 18:17:54 * Arif_ whistles Mar 25 18:19:32 * Khertan is happy theme is now implemented in pygtkeditor Mar 25 18:19:36 and it s works Mar 25 18:19:52 whos implemented in whatnow? Mar 25 18:19:59 :p Mar 25 18:20:06 i do it :) Mar 25 18:20:27 but not release it ... Mar 25 18:21:52 Myrtti, lol, that's classic. Mar 25 18:22:33 Considering the unfortunagely male-biased ratio of IRC I'd argue there's plenty of attention for everybody. *eg* Mar 25 18:23:15 * Myrtti would love to have less attention, really... Mar 25 18:24:11 especially calling me a whore or bitch or telling me they know my home address is the kind of attention I can live without Mar 25 18:24:34 you really get that? Mar 25 18:24:37 o.o; Mar 25 18:24:45 as i m still waiting the removal of pygtkeditor from extras repository ... Mar 25 18:24:52 Arif_: joys of being an op on the biggest channel of Freenode Mar 25 18:24:53 \o/ conboy Mar 25 18:25:10 I missed troll... damn Mar 25 18:25:24 hi Mar 25 18:25:24 so did you ever get a visit? :P Mar 25 18:25:37 what's the biggest # on freenode? Mar 25 18:25:39 anyone can help me about sixaxis controller and n900 ? Mar 25 18:26:26 corecode_: /msg alis list * -min 1000 Mar 25 18:26:40 Probably #ubuntu at a guess... as any ubuntu user gets autojoined? Mar 25 18:26:50 hugokernel1: what's wrong? Mar 25 18:27:06 Gadgetoid_iMac: no, they don't get autojoined when they start the computer Mar 25 18:27:27 i have read all thread on forum and much more but nothing... pairing with controller is ok Mar 25 18:27:35 Myrtti: are you implying there are people using Ubuntu without running IRC!? Mar 25 18:27:56 Gadgetoid_iMac: strangly enough, yes!!!11 Mar 25 18:28:19 my dmesg when pairing : generic-bluetooth 0005:4005:8AF4.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [CSR HIDEngine Keyboard] on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx Mar 25 18:28:54 Myrtti: does not compute! Mar 25 18:29:08 hugokernel1: what steps have you followed thus far? Mar 25 18:29:52 And have you removed the input plugin from the disabled list in the bluetooth conf? that farks it up Mar 25 18:30:16 ergo: it *should* be disabled, not enabled Mar 25 18:31:05 Myrtti, plenty of unpleasant people everywhere, I guees. :( Mar 25 18:31:14 Gadgetoid_iMac: this one : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41693 Mar 25 18:31:26 almost like in RL ;-P Mar 25 18:32:25 in RL you got no ignorelist though, and /kick is going to be a violent act Mar 25 18:32:42 hugokernel1: have you tinkered with your /etc/bluetooth/main.conf at all? Mar 25 18:33:24 DocScrutinizer: as an op I get no ignorelist either, and atleast with RL I can walk away, or just blatantly tell people to fuck off, which isn't what I can do wrt Ubuntu stuff Mar 25 18:33:45 Gadgetoid_iMac: Yes, i have tested all possiblities with DisablePlugin and rebooted every time Mar 25 18:33:47 hehehe Mar 25 18:34:13 The line should read: DisablePlugins = network,input,hal Mar 25 18:34:26 (ignorelist) well you're supposed to not have any. though it still works Mar 25 18:35:17 DocScrutinizer, yeah, but at least there's no real anonymity to make people worse. ;) Mar 25 18:35:30 Gadgetoid_iMac: yes, i have that Mar 25 18:35:36 that's a fact Mar 25 18:35:50 And controller set up with sixpair? Mar 25 18:36:12 except for police special sqads, and cu clux clan Mar 25 18:36:20 Gadgetoid_iMac: yes Mar 25 18:36:22 * sigh * Mar 25 18:36:45 Gadgetoid_iMac: Pairing is ok, i see that in dmesg Mar 25 18:37:15 Gadgetoid_iMac: but, i have a new device in /dev/input named event4 Mar 25 18:37:50 Gadgetoid_iMac: when i run evtest /dev/input/event4/, nothing happen when i tape on sixaxis button Mar 25 18:37:58 X-Fade: doubt it'll be noticable, but grabbing all fremantle sources for fun and profit :P Mar 25 18:38:11 will the n810 charge via usb? Mar 25 18:38:22 there's a hardware hack for it, i think Mar 25 18:38:27 but not out of box Mar 25 18:38:46 Tobarja_n810: no, not afaik Mar 25 18:39:02 ok thanks Mar 25 18:39:04 Hmmm, I never tries any of that, just fired up an emulator and it worked Mar 25 18:39:41 Tobarja_n810: I could check the hw schematics, to find out if there's a way to implement it - if you're really that interested in it Mar 25 18:40:10 Gadgetoid_iMac: could you tell me what you see in your dmesg when you press sixaxis PS button Mar 25 18:40:25 DocScrutinizer, Tobarja_n810: http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/review-kensington-usb-charger.html Mar 25 18:40:27 Gadgetoid_iMac: please Mar 25 18:41:19 Will give it a shot, with the controller off? Mar 25 18:41:32 DocScrutinizer, Klu Klux Klan. ;) Mar 25 18:42:11 Gadgetoid_iMac: yes Mar 25 18:42:26 Oops, N900 keyboard fail! Mar 25 18:42:30 hugokernel1: input: PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller (00:1B:FB:9F:2D:D0) as /class/input/input5 Mar 25 18:42:32 -l Mar 25 18:42:49 Stskeeps: this kensington fake is about adapter USB->barrel Mar 25 18:43:03 Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, thank you Mar 25 18:43:14 Gadgetoid_iMac: i have « input: CSR HIDEngine Keyboard as /class/input/input4 » Mar 25 18:43:36 Stskeeps: ... not exactly about carging N810 via usb-micro receptacle Mar 25 18:43:39 Gadgetoid_iMac: and « generic-bluetooth 0005:4005:8AF4.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [CSR HIDEngine Keyboard] on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx » Mar 25 18:43:42 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but still :P Mar 25 18:44:00 Hmm, hugokernel1 is this using the package installed from repos? Mar 25 18:44:06 well dang... that's not exactly what i was thinking about but it would do the trick. Mar 25 18:44:07 Gadgetoid_iMac: yes Mar 25 18:44:20 Gadgetoid_iMac: my sixaxis is not a real sony controller Mar 25 18:44:27 Interesting Mar 25 18:44:49 Gadgetoid_iMac: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23767 Mar 25 18:44:52 I can't imagine why that would make a difference, though, unless the "hack"/"driver" is looking for a specific identification string to latch on to Mar 25 18:45:20 I'm using the sixad package, and a geniune DS2 Mar 25 18:45:21 Gadgetoid_iMac: i search in source driver identifier but i don't found Mar 25 18:45:36 Well, that's that theory dead in the water, then! Mar 25 18:45:46 GAN900: seen kbd driver hickup several times. usually closing slide fixes that Mar 25 18:46:12 Gadgetoid_iMac: ok Mar 25 18:46:12 DocScrutinizer, also: muscle memory fail. ;) Mar 25 18:46:44 I hate that Sonic loses rings by hitting spikes side on... what the hell! Mar 25 18:46:48 GAN900: (KKK) thanks :-) Mar 25 18:47:21 DocScrutinizer, since, you know, spelling extremist hate group names properly is so important. ;) Mar 25 18:47:30 GAN900: sonic? Mar 25 18:47:37 Gadgetoid_iMac: sonic? Mar 25 18:47:41 Gadgetoid_iMac: on maemo? Mar 25 18:48:30 GAN900: well I'm always trying to improve my spelling. It's abysmal Mar 25 18:48:53 DocScrutinizer, spell check did a lot of damage to mine. Mar 25 18:48:58 jacekowski: yes... Mar 25 18:49:09 In MasterGear Mar 25 18:49:29 Blame hugokernel1, he made me go and get my PS3 controller, and one thing lead to another, and I'm playing Sonic 1 again Mar 25 18:50:04 Gadgetoid_iMac: ;) Mar 25 18:50:13 Gadgetoid_iMac: Thank you for the help Mar 25 18:50:14 hy everybody Mar 25 18:50:24 is the n900 little or big endian? Mar 25 18:50:25 Well the master system sonic is awesome Mar 25 18:50:33 hugokernel1: sorry I couldn't solve it :( Mar 25 18:50:43 I continue to seek Mar 25 18:51:01 Start with a real DS2 :) Mar 25 18:51:01 Gadgetoid_iMac: Play for me ;) Mar 25 18:51:36 Although that fake one you linked is very, very convincing Mar 25 18:52:14 Is there a port of emacs 23 for maemo? Mar 25 18:52:26 Specifically one that is compatible with the N810? Mar 25 18:52:36 EH? Mar 25 18:53:01 wizkoder, little endian Mar 25 18:53:28 ShadowJK: excellent. as is my laptop. thanks Mar 25 18:53:45 armel = arm endian little Mar 25 18:53:56 It wont even kill you for unaligned access Mar 25 18:55:11 ShadowJK: working on a blowfish algorythm for my program. So I guess I don't have to change nothing for deployment on the n900 Mar 25 18:55:27 Hi! Is there a way to unlock the screen from the command line (via SSH). Mar 25 18:55:57 wizkoder, I'm sure there are already blowfish functions available in one of the included libraries :) Mar 25 18:56:01 GAN900: spellcheck for Konversation/4 is somewhat borked. Can't set it to "English" permanently, always switches back to "German" :-/ Mar 25 18:56:28 ebzzry:Been Looking for the same answer, unlock or lite the screen. Mar 25 18:56:30 ShadowJK: couldn't find that. So I wrote my own ;-) Mar 25 18:56:42 lostinmirkwood: Hmm. Mar 25 18:57:30 lostinmirkwood: I need to unlock the screen because VNC would otherwise be useless with it. Mar 25 18:58:13 wizkoder, well, openssl would be where I'd start looking :) Mar 25 18:58:35 I hope there's someone out here who could point out what routines are being performed when the keyboard is slid out. Mar 25 19:00:14 hi Mar 25 19:00:14 multilingual system-wide dictionaries are nice in OS X Mar 25 19:00:23 is there google summer of code channel for maemo ? Mar 25 19:00:39 GAN900: KDE4 has 1% of new features and 99% of regressions :-/ Mar 25 19:01:00 lol Mar 25 19:01:16 haha Mar 25 19:02:35 ebzzry:Found it, it's a DBUS Send Command, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=574066#post574066 Mar 25 19:02:48 lostinmirkwood: Going Mar 25 19:03:32 t3rm1n4l: I don't think there is but think it would be a really good idea. Mar 25 19:03:38 ebzzry:Just tested it and it works fine. Mar 25 19:04:20 lostinmirkwood: Sweet. Thanks a lot! Mar 25 19:04:38 * ebzzry gives some cookies to lostinmirkwood Mar 25 19:04:52 DocScrutinizer: FWIW, the spell-checking stuff is in kdelibs, it's not Konversation-specific Mar 25 19:05:08 ebzzry: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-unlock http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-unlock2_.28with_code.29 Mar 25 19:05:26 DocScrutinizer: Going Mar 25 19:07:03 DocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot! Mar 25 19:07:07 if you installed the cifs package, is it possible to mount a cifs share through /etc/fstab with maemo? Mar 25 19:07:18 the same way you'd do it on a debian box? Mar 25 19:08:40 jonne|reconnecte: yes, but you have to do some hacking to get it automatic on boot Mar 25 19:09:04 and busybox won't let you do it as a regular user (it ignores the user parameter) Mar 25 19:11:09 Hmm, I guess the hacking part would be a bit over the top Mar 25 19:11:45 I'm ok with editing conf files and installing packages, but that's all I'm doing with this phone ;-) Mar 25 19:11:51 thanks for the answer Mar 25 19:11:54 watch out fstab is autocreated on boot time Mar 25 19:12:22 aiui Mar 25 19:12:43 hmm Mar 25 19:12:44 I guess there's no other way to auto-mount my NAS when I walk into my LAN? Mar 25 19:17:07 anyone in the mood for some election-oriented wiki editing? Mar 25 19:17:09 i guess automount is ou of the question? Mar 25 19:17:14 Sho_: thanks. Probably it's best to switch to english spellcheck in kde-sysconfig Mar 25 19:18:31 meh, I guess it's not really necessary to be able to access my music from my phone when I'm home, as I can just use my computers for that Mar 25 19:18:36 would be cool, though Mar 25 19:19:12 Gadgetoid_iMac: could you take a « ls -la » in your /dev/input when your sixaxis is connected ? Mar 25 19:19:47 DocScrutinizer: Possibly. The KDE 4 spell-checking implementation was originally designed to do language detection on a per-paragraph basis to support multi-dictionary spell-checking within the same document, but the developer disappeared at some point (he was actually presumed dead for a while) which meant other had to pick up the slack, and it didn't quite reach its lofty goals. Maybe some remnant of that detection stuff is going haywire for you. Mar 25 19:19:59 *others Mar 25 19:20:11 hugokernel1: you looking for something like 0 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 13, 0 Mar 25 18:43 js0 Mar 25 19:20:25 Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, thx Mar 25 19:21:00 Gadgetoid_iMac: i don't understand, i have : event0 event1 event2 event3 event4 keypad pwrbutton ts uinput Mar 25 19:21:16 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 Jan 1 1970 event0 Mar 25 19:21:16 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 65 Jan 1 1970 event1 Mar 25 19:21:16 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 66 Jan 1 1970 event2 Mar 25 19:21:17 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 67 Jan 1 1970 event3 Mar 25 19:21:17 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 68 Mar 25 18:43 event4 Mar 25 19:21:24 ok Mar 25 19:21:25 Gadgetoid_iMac: What's your kernel version ? Mar 25 19:21:54 I have event0, event1, event2, event3, event4, js0, keypad -> event1, mice, mouse0, pwrbutton -> event0, ts -> mouse0, uinput Mar 25 19:22:23 2.6.28-omap1 pow pow Mar 25 19:22:51 Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, i don't have js0 Mar 25 19:23:39 BTW, where is wmctrl? Mar 25 19:24:10 Damn I love the music from Sonic bridge zone Mar 25 19:25:38 hi, i have got easy debian on my phone, is there a way i can use the chroot from the terminal rather than using the icon ? Mar 25 19:25:40 Gadgetoid_iMac: be careful, the limit for pasts is ~5 lines in this chan, and seems is enforced quite rigidly Mar 25 19:26:07 basically i want to use it over ssh connection, but dont know what to type to launch the enviroment Mar 25 19:26:23 DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the warning... but I like to live on the wild side Mar 25 19:26:44 guessing i just need to know the path to chroot against Mar 25 19:27:44 I categorically hate internet explorer. Mar 25 19:28:20 how is it to categorically hate anything? Mar 25 19:28:59 i love internet explorer Mar 25 19:29:20 i spent 90% of my time on fixing CSS-Bugs in IE6 Mar 25 19:29:56 Basically, my whole salary is based on Microsoft Mar 25 19:30:39 Poor Vanadis. I feel pity. Mar 25 19:31:22 How can you stand this pain and suffering? Mar 25 19:32:40 well Mar 25 19:32:45 it's very good paid Mar 25 19:32:55 Gadgetoid_iMac: Could you run /usr/sbin/sixad-uinput-sixaxis ? Mar 25 19:34:09 Any kind soul out here who would point to me where should I get wmctrl? Mar 25 19:34:10 Kerpow? Mar 25 19:34:48 meh, I was going to record video in a pitch dark room today, and it appears that the flashlight app can't run at the same time as the camera.. -_- Mar 25 19:35:21 Funnyface, it uses the same driver Mar 25 19:35:26 requires sixad, please run sixad instead, hugokernel1 Mar 25 19:35:51 Gadgetoid_iMac: Thx Mar 25 19:35:53 Funnyface, anyway. That only works to some 5pcm distance. Mar 25 19:36:00 probably, the camera app fails to open so I was thinking of something along those lines Mar 25 19:36:03 more and you can't see Mar 25 19:36:09 50 Mar 25 19:36:15 It also segfaults when given any parameters, nice! Mar 25 19:37:35 Gadgetoid_iMac: ok Mar 25 19:40:21 any going on in here? Mar 25 19:40:52 * Stskeeps is really doing crazy things on his lazy evenings Mar 25 19:41:12 currently uploading entire fremantle sdk sources to OBS, modified the fremantle gcc to be for armv6+vfp, and seeing how far we get Mar 25 19:41:16 :P Mar 25 19:41:45 is there any dbus call to take a photo while the camera app is running? Mar 25 19:41:58 or to otherwise control the camera app. Mar 25 19:42:22 andrewfblack: i'll be a customer of your bubble bobble theme for sure Mar 25 19:42:52 Stskeeps: lol you seen screenshots yet? Mar 25 19:43:19 * andrewfblack is thinking of holding all themes hostage until someone programs him a Weight Watchers Calculator lol Mar 25 19:43:54 Stskeeps: I mean Backgrounds not screenshots Mar 25 19:44:03 yeah, backgrounds Mar 25 19:44:05 andrewfblack, if you're not hungry you're doing it wrong? Mar 25 19:44:12 i played that game quite a lot as a kid :P Mar 25 19:44:34 Suppose somebody could modify the Hello, World example. ;) Mar 25 19:44:37 GAN900: lol well I've lost 8 lbs in 4 weeks making me happy. Going to gym 3 times a week also Mar 25 19:44:44 I want a jazz jackrabbit 2 port for the N900! Mar 25 19:45:09 GAN900: If I had time I would learn to do it my self in python but I have knee deep in about 5 themes right now. Mar 25 19:48:01 Stskeeps: any ideas for the Bubble Bobble themes? I'm thinking it wont require alot of changes I might just stick with maemo-org theme with color changes, and some bubble bobble things here and there. I could go all out and make top bar look like platform and all but I think that would be to much Mar 25 19:48:05 so i knowy ou can have a vnc viewer on the n900, but am i able to view my n900 via vnc on my desktop? Mar 25 19:48:53 andrewfblack: i'm not very creative in that area :P Mar 25 19:50:48 pronto, sure Mar 25 19:51:57 if I can find a copy of Inkscape for Windows that will run on a thumb drive I can do more at work I'm stuck with only Gimp at work right now Mar 25 19:52:05 konttori: (our home became or prison) couldn't agree more, esp wrt the bit about security framework concerns Mar 25 19:53:17 thanks. I haven't followed up the latest in security fw developments, but it's very tricky to make something like that developer friendly for non-commercial development. Mar 25 19:53:20 Stskeeps: btw I was trying to make icons fit in between levels on background but I either need to increase space another 20 pixels or so or lose the the border around icons. Mar 25 19:53:25 re Mar 25 19:53:54 wb hrw Mar 25 19:54:14 I just answered to konttori's mail Mar 25 19:54:42 btw Mar 25 19:54:49 isn't there inkscape for the N900? Mar 25 19:55:02 konttori: I'd dare to state it's inpossible Mar 25 19:56:00 no inkscape, just mypaint. Mar 25 19:56:10 mypaint is not vectorial, is it? Mar 25 19:56:35 ptl: I cannot imagine using inkscape on 800x480 highdpi screen Mar 25 19:56:58 ptl: no inkscape on n900 except for with easy debian whihc hates me Mar 25 19:56:58 I agree. Me? I would just give it up completely. I don't see the point of it at all. Wel, for the only thing I do see the point is blocking cellmo access. But that's it. Mar 25 19:57:20 hrw: if I could get inkscape on here I would use it everyday Mar 25 19:57:29 and even for that it's overkill. Mar 25 19:57:48 inkscape is barely able to scale to 1024x600. Mar 25 19:58:05 virtual machine? Mar 25 19:58:07 konttori: i see a benefit to it in a world where devices are more promiscious than an american girl on exchange in europe.. Mar 25 19:58:22 hrw: you'd have to hide most toolbars and UI, for sure Mar 25 19:58:25 and the fact any extras app could technically blow up the battery Mar 25 20:00:17 * ShadowJK thinks that's harder/impossible on n900 Mar 25 20:00:21 * hrw wants qt 4.6 on users devices Mar 25 20:00:21 is anybody playing diablo through psx4all? Mar 25 20:00:27 hi konttori Mar 25 20:00:59 * timeless_mbp wants 4.8 Mar 25 20:01:00 Stskeeps: any interesting security flaws will anyway come in more sneaky forms. Mar 25 20:01:07 qt 4.8? Mar 25 20:01:11 why not? Mar 25 20:01:22 everyone's asking for 4.7 Mar 25 20:01:22 * RST38h moos at konttori Mar 25 20:01:27 so it's too pedestrian :) Mar 25 20:01:38 konttori: is it true that my mail widget bug is going to be fixed? :) Mar 25 20:01:44 target it to at leash have 4.7 asap. Yeah, I also want 4.8. Mar 25 20:01:53 heh :) Mar 25 20:02:06 4.7 is really a minor step, but 4.8 looks to be stellar Mar 25 20:02:22 * RST38h suggests anyone working on Maemo security carefully check the royal clusterfuck of symbian 9.x Mar 25 20:02:34 sorry, which mail widget bug. I don't remember discussing such with you. Mar 25 20:02:34 RST38h: we prefer to make our own :) Mar 25 20:02:41 lol, Veyron downtown Mar 25 20:02:43 konttori: bugmail cc by me this week Mar 25 20:02:51 Gotta love race car drivers. Mar 25 20:02:53 anyway, I'm on daddy month, so no clues about what's going on internally Mar 25 20:02:53 RST38h, they probably think it's good there :P Mar 25 20:03:01 timeless: So, which company is going to make your security cluster fuck its business model this time? Mar 25 20:03:19 (or, to be direct, who is gonna be signing binaries for $60 a pop?) Mar 25 20:04:17 i wouldn't know :) Mar 25 20:04:28 but trust me, i really don't want to know :) Mar 25 20:05:08 At one point there were developer certificates so you could sign binaries for one specific device yourself :) Mar 25 20:05:24 but then they stopped sellng those certs Mar 25 20:05:41 javispedro Mar 25 20:05:53 evening Mar 25 20:06:00 ShadowJK: Keyword is "specific device" Mar 25 20:06:05 evening javispedro Mar 25 20:06:20 s60 capabilities are the worst thing I've ever dealt with Mar 25 20:06:34 ShadowJK: + I would personally curse with the bloody diarrhea the guy who made getting IMEI a protected capability Mar 25 20:06:34 Yeah but atleast that let you write stuff for yourself Mar 25 20:06:39 asj: i promise someone will develop something much worse :) Mar 25 20:06:50 ShadowJK: How generous! Mar 25 20:06:55 RST38h, or using the gps Mar 25 20:07:02 timeless_mbp: they haven't yet Mar 25 20:07:11 someone will! Mar 25 20:07:16 ShadowJK: actually, you could use the external GPS BUT NOT the internal one Mar 25 20:07:25 (notice the past tense too, it is there for a reason) Mar 25 20:08:18 that's ok, I can now sign "all -tcb" so that solves most of my problems ;) Mar 25 20:09:16 ? Mar 25 20:09:49 timeless_mbp: that covers most s60 caps to do anything Mar 25 20:10:33 * timeless_mbp kicks some random organization in SF.CA.US Mar 25 20:10:46 * timeless_mbp proceeds to complain to chase Mar 25 20:10:54 oh, sf. near miss Mar 25 20:14:30 * ShadowJK hopes batterymeter will recalibrate itself after discharge/charge cycle :D Mar 25 20:14:52 it's doing some funny seesawing now.. Mar 25 20:15:11 (with mugen 2400mAh batt) Mar 25 20:15:21 * timeless_mbp goes through a phone maze dealing w/ Chase bank Mar 25 20:15:58 how much time do you guys get w/ that? Mar 25 20:17:12 * ShadowJK hasn't managed to drain it yet and is watching videos while ircing on hspa Mar 25 20:20:38 which one is better? Mer or easy-debian? Mar 25 20:21:24 for what purpose? Mar 25 20:21:29 Not exactly comparable? Mar 25 20:21:41 s/exactly/remotely/ Mar 25 20:21:59 ShadowJK: do you have a cart to haul your phone around behind you now? that batt is huge Mar 25 20:22:16 Still fits in jeans pocket Mar 25 20:22:21 wow Mar 25 20:22:42 and the edges are curved so I can even slide it into pocket onehanded Mar 25 20:23:32 I guess a 1800mAh battery would add less thickness and be a middle option Mar 25 20:23:55 is there some sort of buddy list widget for your empathy contacts? Mar 25 20:23:57 but I suspect they're getting fed up with the n900 users by now :) Mar 25 20:26:08 would it be possible to have MyDocs be an NFS mount or is that not going to work? Mar 25 20:26:25 specifically, an NFS mount from FreeBSD Mar 25 20:27:50 hd1: maybe. depends on whether or not nfs is installed Mar 25 20:28:31 * DocScrutinizer thinks it's a pity meego-meeting wasn't inclined to elaborate on the whole security-framework and locked-bootloader shit topic, and points to http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# Mar 25 20:29:14 DocScrutinizer: it's too late for that. enjoy your unlocked but closed bootloader while it lasts. Mar 25 20:29:42 yo :-( Mar 25 20:29:58 hi Mar 25 20:30:29 hi Aquarina Mar 25 20:30:37 does maemo need mmc2? can I just format it with something else? Mar 25 20:31:30 I'd like to get rid of it apearing on the device Mar 25 20:31:42 and would like to use it for mer Mar 25 20:31:49 (n810) Mar 25 20:32:25 * javispedro lols at the nokia design by community polls Mar 25 20:32:55 clearly, the right way to "enhance" a poll is to put a big meter near the options that tells you how much the option you're going to vote is liked by Nokia Mar 25 20:33:59 * javispedro invokes Godwin's Law: http://tamoggemon.com/blog/contents/2006/August/thabigobvious/paper.jpg Mar 25 20:34:41 javispedro: ack Mar 25 20:34:54 largely useless fake Mar 25 20:35:49 javispedro, didnt you regiger yourself in the election as ">>>>>>>>> Javis <<<<<<<<<<<" Mar 25 20:35:53 it is installed Mar 25 20:35:54 unless Nokia is using the results for a completely different purpose than stated in the 'poll' Mar 25 20:36:14 lcuk: I hope not :S :) Mar 25 20:36:21 heh Mar 25 20:36:29 i need of automake-1.10 for fremantle. Someone know if this version exists Mar 25 20:36:31 ? Mar 25 20:36:54 FlavioFerreiraBR, which version have you discovered Mar 25 20:37:28 any way to print to a samba shared printer from maemo? Mar 25 20:45:49 was there a gavin in here earlier? Mar 25 20:46:11 wonder if it was gavin de vine of glastonbury. Mar 25 20:46:41 theres one in linux format talking about n900. Mar 25 20:49:15 javispedro: ja, ja, volskwagen Mar 25 20:54:44 there is a gavin in here now Mar 25 20:55:06 I am not of vine, nor glastonbury Mar 25 20:55:47 well hello anyway. Mar 25 20:57:52 hi :) Mar 25 20:58:31 I found 1.9 at maemo repositorys , but i need of 1.10 Mar 25 21:00:11 FlavioFerreiraBR, http://maemo.org/packages/view/automake/ Mar 25 21:00:15 read the description Mar 25 21:00:19 i think its automake 1.1 Mar 25 21:00:46 for future reference, the maemo package search http://maemo.org/packages/ Mar 25 21:01:01 shows all available versions based on keyword search Mar 25 21:01:05 people haven't tried compiling chromium for the n900, have they? I read it can be compiled for ARM... Mar 25 21:01:10 so typing automake in there was enough Mar 25 21:02:46 google's chromium? Mar 25 21:03:31 thanks Mar 25 21:04:31 javispedro: yes Mar 25 21:04:46 then, i at least didn't :) Mar 25 21:04:49 we cant use the front facing camera for sky can we? Mar 25 21:05:13 has anyone ran into a situation where you just can't switch apps on the n900? Mar 25 21:05:14 *skype Mar 25 21:05:24 nope. Mar 25 21:06:04 heh so once again, I alone hit the corner cases Mar 25 21:07:23 ctrl-backspace or camera button? Mar 25 21:07:53 nope Mar 25 21:08:06 I even have the camera button switcher daemon thing Mar 25 21:08:31 javispedro: I wonder how well it would fair but I'm too lazy to crosscompile right now ;) Mar 25 21:08:43 I was sort of impressed at how well it manage to grab things; opening the camera would get the camera app to run in the background ! Mar 25 21:08:46 it's quite nippy on a desktop, but might have high ram usage. Mar 25 21:09:04 and power button's kill current app didn't do anything either Mar 25 21:18:35 someone has been used ODE (OPEN DYNAMICS ENGINE) Mar 25 21:18:37 ? Mar 25 21:19:21 im fed up of pm on the wifi timing out the connection. Mar 25 21:19:37 anyone else get this? Mar 25 21:21:15 no. Mar 25 21:21:59 :( prob the ap. Mar 25 21:22:19 and what pm setting are you? Mar 25 21:22:48 default (aka max) Mar 25 21:23:46 mmm... Mar 25 21:24:19 ive moved up to intermediate and it still goes dead here until i reconnect. Mar 25 21:24:55 it doesn't lose connection,just get nothing in the browser Mar 25 21:25:08 and i cant ping. Mar 25 21:26:14 someone know ODE project. (OPEN DYNAMICS ENGINE) Mar 25 21:26:16 ? Mar 25 21:29:27 I don't, flavio Mar 25 21:31:44 ds3: seen this when heavy swapping brings everything to a temporary halt - longest freeze I seen was ~20min Mar 25 21:32:59 ds3: leving a youtube browser win running in background seems to frequently create issues like that Mar 25 21:33:08 leaving even Mar 25 21:37:44 DocScrutinizier: I am pretty sure this wasn't a cpu/swapping thing Mar 25 21:38:05 what happened was - someone send me a RTF file as an attachment. I have the Koffice viewer thingie installed. Mar 25 21:38:44 I click on the file to open it. Koffice viewer gets confused and pops up a dialog asking for what it is. but it won't let me select anything, or cancel out of it. Mar 25 21:38:55 you all probably know the requester "some javascript in your webpage is slowing down browser execution. Kill? [yes/no]" (OWTTE). I'd consider it useful to have a similar requester rised by a daemon, whenever an app is going loose with excessive malloc or cpu-load Mar 25 21:41:51 not seen that one docscrutinizer, i agree with your proposal though. Mar 25 21:42:05 ds3: I had a similar problem with HAM (iirc) rising a requester but that requester bas *behind* the main win. And of course it was modal so I couldn't kill the app Mar 25 21:42:41 my mp3 playback is getting jumping as i have xchat and a couple of browsers open Mar 25 21:43:12 C-S-B-N900: and that already exists Mar 25 21:43:18 sorry, wrong nick Mar 25 21:43:26 DocScrutinizer: and that already exists Mar 25 21:43:38 firefox is so freakin fast. it's what i'd expect of a browser. what a surprise. Mar 25 21:44:12 DocScrutinizer: if an app is sucking off the transistors, and you try to close it, because the watchdog doesn't get a reply within x cycles, you'll get a popup "Window not responding, force quit execution?" Mar 25 21:44:13 crashanddie_: heh, great :-) Wasn't aware - how's the name Mar 25 21:44:20 id use firefox if it supported flash Mar 25 21:44:41 I hardly ever use flash :) Mar 25 21:44:50 I'm pretty sure we could definitely improve the thread scheduler Mar 25 21:44:56 don't remember which one we're using atm Mar 25 21:45:05 crashanddie_: yes, I know that one. Only triggers on failing close xmsg Mar 25 21:48:50 C-S-B-N900: that's :-/. Tried renicing mediaplayer (or probably gstreamer or whatever mediaplayer uses to process the mp3)? Mar 25 21:49:27 pretty ghetto solution. Mar 25 21:49:44 and no i didn't. Mar 25 21:50:40 not really. If implemented the right way, means include the 'nice -n -5 ' in the right place Mar 25 21:51:35 but would it take a cpu cycle away from say phone or a daemon etc Mar 25 21:52:48 i think media player is just being greedy. Mar 25 21:53:20 since closing a browser its ok. Mar 25 21:53:23 heh, priority (aka niceness) doesn't take away cpu cycles from any process in itself. It just assigns better chances to get cpu cycles just in time, to the higer priorized process Mar 25 21:56:44 (greedy) so this would tell me it's browser that's greedy, not mediaplayer Mar 25 22:06:04 hello))) Mar 25 22:06:40 oh! my eyes! i forget my eyes! Mar 25 22:06:45 here it is : Mar 25 22:07:09 xe2000 Do you use Windows 2000? Mar 25 22:07:39 Flyser Hello! What mean your nickname? Mar 25 22:08:36 Elie Hello! Mar 25 22:11:20 i am going to kill who ever implemented the n900 power management on wifi. Mar 25 22:11:41 not your wifi ap manufacturer? Mar 25 22:15:39 maybe them as well. Mar 25 22:29:07 Hi i'm looking for a single conversation time count, on my n900. But i cant finde this. Can anybody help me? Mar 25 22:29:53 similar of S60 Mar 25 22:30:07 xe2000: conversation time count? Mar 25 22:30:11 conversation time count? Mar 25 22:30:20 ~ping Mar 25 22:30:22 ~pong Mar 25 22:30:38 call log and sms protocol Mar 25 22:31:06 xe2000: in case you didn't understand it from two people questioning the most fundamental part of your initial message: ELABORATE Mar 25 22:33:28 * ptl waiting for xe2000 to elaborate, he's curious Mar 25 22:34:19 i mean for example http://www.connect.de/themen_spezial/28691587_156d3dd27e.jpg Mar 25 22:35:19 well, I'm confused Mar 25 22:35:23 me too Mar 25 22:35:30 I can't see the 'time' in this 'time counter' Mar 25 22:35:38 hey stskeeps, still up? Mar 25 22:35:44 timeless_mbp: http://tinyurl.com/yd5vagf there's totally like people on it think there may be an app for that, though I'm not wure if it worked out that well the last time I tried Mar 25 22:35:52 the time is hidden in the next level Mar 25 22:35:55 hmm sorry i cant find a pic Mar 25 22:36:28 er, s/timeless_mbp: http://tinyurl.com/yd5vagf there's totally like people on it/I/ Mar 25 22:36:41 the keys are like right next to each other Mar 25 22:38:08 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 25 22:45:52 xe2000: how about you try to properly explain what you're after Mar 25 22:46:21 yeah, the 'screenshot' is exactly meaningless to me Mar 25 22:46:30 some phones used ot have a total talk time screen Mar 25 22:46:31 and then some Mar 25 22:46:35 time spent calling out Mar 25 22:46:39 time spent inbound calls Mar 25 22:46:49 my o2 ice had it Mar 25 22:46:59 its an old feature Mar 25 22:47:17 hes given shitty screenshot but i know the metric hes thinking of i think Mar 25 22:48:31 lcuk, yes that it Mar 25 22:48:37 lcuk: xe2000: phome -menu -timer ? Mar 25 22:49:38 a list of particular calls Mar 25 22:49:58 err what? Mar 25 22:50:09 xe2000, http://www.wirelessinfo.com/images/upload/Image/reviews/images/lg/choclate/screens/call-history-2.jpg Mar 25 22:50:35 anyone had bt keyb working? Mar 25 22:51:12 used to be really important when you had 60 minute calltime plans Mar 25 22:51:37 ...I prefer to get a plan where I don't need to worry about minutes or whatnot if I ever need to make a call (which I rarely do) Mar 25 22:51:42 !seen Venomrush Mar 25 22:51:47 lcuk: xe2000: phone ->menu ->timer ?!? Mar 25 22:51:56 ~seen odin_ Mar 25 22:51:57 odin_ is currently on #maemo (22h 40m 43s) #tomcat (22h 40m 43s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 15s, last said: '!seen Venomrush'. Mar 25 22:52:01 ~seen Venomrush Mar 25 22:52:02 venomrush <~opera@188-221-102-245.zone12.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15d 23h 50m 39s ago, saying: 'to select the other mode'. Mar 25 22:52:06 I edited /etc/.../main.conf - and removed input from excluded plugons. Mar 25 22:52:15 DocScrutinizer, i dont use it but prolly lol Mar 25 22:52:26 ye Mar 25 22:52:30 :D Mar 25 22:52:32 who is this Venomrush, and is he doing something considered useful in the community my the majority of the community? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 Mar 25 22:52:32 Bug 7919: Add to Contacts (from POP3/Inbox reading mail) offers to add myself Mar 25 22:52:44 DocScrutinizer, not the cout of all calls Mar 25 22:52:47 * lcuk must root around his menus more Mar 25 22:53:00 xe2000: ??? Mar 25 22:53:12 It says paired, and pressing a key makes the data light on keyb flash - bu nothing... /dev/input/* does not seem to appear Mar 25 22:53:14 http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3883/327883585screen.jpg a call log with a single cont of every call Mar 25 22:53:47 * lcuk never knew the timers screen existed :) Mar 25 22:53:49 hmm, yes. duration of particular calls missing in call history Mar 25 22:54:11 DocScrutinizer, yes Mar 25 22:54:43 xe2000: though all your screenshots aren't to the point Mar 25 22:55:06 as they miss any call duration of particular calls as well Mar 25 22:55:58 Also - bt icon goes blue when I press... Mar 25 22:57:02 http://maemo.org/packages/view/extcalllog/ ist fine, but i can't see: Call DATETIME, DURATION, AMOUNT Mar 25 22:57:27 ping the maker? Mar 25 22:57:48 * SpeedEvil tries the last resort of fools, and reboots. Mar 25 22:58:56 xe2000: heh, I was about to find that one right ATM. you found it :-) Mar 25 23:00:45 :-) Mar 25 23:01:04 meh. Mar 25 23:01:26 * SpeedEvil looks at his keyboard. Mar 25 23:02:39 anyone knows why this goes directly to my formEdit Mar 25 23:02:40 appuifw.app.body = listbox = appuifw.Listbox(ls) Mar 25 23:02:40 appuifw.app.menu = [(u"Editar",self.formEditar(resultat[listbox.current()]))] Mar 25 23:02:40 e32.ao_yield() Mar 25 23:04:24 xe2000: possibly the system phonelog doesn't keep this info :-/ Mar 25 23:05:18 it at least broadcasts dbus events which could be caught in realtime Mar 25 23:05:45 yep Mar 25 23:05:51 my idea Mar 25 23:06:36 en passant I found dbus-addressbook-bindings :-) Mar 25 23:06:36 * SpeedEvil wonders if he can find the energy to work out why bt keyb not working. Mar 25 23:06:55 * DocScrutinizer prods SpeedEvil Mar 25 23:40:10 Hi, I have just got an N900, and am wondering what I need to do to get it working as a PAN access point. I've tried google with no success, has anyone done this or got any pointers? Mar 25 23:41:55 Shapeshifter: I am just trying your alarmed application. Is there a wiki page with alarmed scripts and events, like there is for fcron? Mar 25 23:42:22 RobbieAB: joikuspot and maemo hotspot. Search them on talk.maemo.org Mar 25 23:43:19 joikuspot is WiFi isn't it? Mar 25 23:43:39 yeah, for PAN you're on your own mostly Mar 25 23:43:51 That's sort of what I expected. Mar 25 23:44:11 try to do it same way you'd do it on a gnu/linux desktop, and if nothing works, complain Mar 25 23:44:36 Unfortunately, gnome/blueman aren't there :D Mar 25 23:44:39 Created a new project, aiming to get an app into at least extras Mar 25 23:44:44 extras-devel* Mar 25 23:45:00 But yeah, I can take that route. Work out what packages I need, and go down that route. :) Mar 25 23:45:39 One of the joys of having started with Gentoo... Common sense doesn't get in the way. :) Mar 25 23:46:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48336 :/ Mar 25 23:48:34 MohammadAG: LOL Mar 25 23:49:52 RobbieAB: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#PAN Mar 25 23:51:33 RobbieAB: Sorry, robbie, I didn't know what you were talking about! Mar 25 23:51:39 DocScrutinizer: Thanks, I found that, but it doesn't seem to be enough to get a PAN Access Point working, sadly. I suspect the N900 is missing other pieces of infrastructure. Mar 25 23:51:55 ooh Mar 25 23:52:05 ptl: It's ok, that just means I need to learn how to ask better questions. Mar 25 23:52:59 If JoikuSpot works, it may just be that I need to look at what they are using. :D Mar 25 23:53:10 i.e. dhcp servers and the like. Mar 25 23:54:24 I can get a bnep device on the laptop, but it doesn't seem to be getting an IP address, which is why I suspect dhcp. Mar 25 23:55:19 Anyway, thank you all, you have been very helpful, and at least I know I'm not missing something obvious. :) Mar 25 23:56:05 haha MohammadAG :) Mar 25 23:56:08 I will start pursuing this seriously this weekend :) Mar 25 23:57:34 joikuspot does something very intriguing Mar 25 23:57:40 masquerade through userspace Mar 25 23:57:53 I don't have any idea how it does it. Mar 25 23:58:13 Well, ideally, I would want to do the routing in the kernel, as it would be faster. Mar 25 23:58:31 But it's not critical, getting it working is more important :) Mar 25 23:59:37 it's just that the stock kernel does not have masquerading compiled in Mar 25 23:59:50 so it can not be enabled by echoing into /proc Mar 25 23:59:57 Oh, yuck. Mar 25 23:59:59 *the stock N900 kernel Mar 26 00:00:23 Well, I'm not *quite* confident enough to try and break the kernel just yet. Mar 26 00:00:41 qole and some friends found a way to do NAT in userspace too, but it seems it is really slow and unstable yet Mar 26 00:00:48 they use something called vde2 Mar 26 00:00:57 (nod) Mar 26 00:01:23 I didn't even quite understood what vde2 is. Mar 26 00:01:28 much less how it works Mar 26 00:01:31 Well, I will just have to play around, get something working, and than look at how to improve it. Mar 26 00:01:42 good luck! Mar 26 00:02:12 I have a couple of weeks off work... Mar 26 00:02:17 And am motivated. Mar 26 00:02:40 €470 for a toy, and if I can't get it working nicely as a really easy 3G modem for the laptop... Mar 26 00:17:59 maybe it's a bit lame to ask, but can anybody please explain to me where to learn about the dbus methods offered by https://garage.maemo.org/projects/contactinfos/ pkg Mar 26 00:19:52 Read the code? (Icky way, I know...) Mar 26 00:20:10 Also, is that project still alive? That page seems kinda out of date Mar 26 00:20:46 or http://maemo.org/packages/view/contactinfos/ to be more up to date Mar 26 00:23:35 I just can't believe the author of that package hasn't included any kind of 'api' documentation - but I fail to spot anything Mar 26 00:24:08 hi, I'm trying to compile pulseaudio (I'm wanting the ladspa plugin) Mar 26 00:24:28 I did an apt-get build-dep pulseaudio and an apt-get source pulseaudio Mar 26 00:24:48 but when I go to autogen it, it tells me I need a more recent version of autoconf Mar 26 00:25:02 (version 2.6.something). Mar 26 00:26:04 I tried installing it the other night, but the sb_autoconf_wrapper prevents it from being run Mar 26 00:26:13 is there a clean way to get this to work? Mar 26 00:26:38 I wouldn't start a maemo journey by rebuilding pulseaudio.. Mar 26 00:28:06 TheNewAndy: also, install package pulseaudio-module-extra Mar 26 00:28:16 TheAppleMan: it containts ladspa-sink at least Mar 26 00:28:30 oh awesome, that is exactly what I wanted :) Mar 26 00:28:57 is there a way i can download an app on my desktop and install it on my tablet via usb? Mar 26 00:48:00 hmhm, Jennifer Granick at cansecwest is talking about TI calculators private keys distribution, legal issues and stuff Mar 26 00:58:00 heh Mar 26 01:47:21 this is twice today that my n810 has gotten overwhelmed and rebooted itself. is that normal? Mar 26 01:47:51 Tobarja: mine reboots at random Mar 26 01:48:20 DocScrutinizer thanks... you've vindicated my wife... :-/ Mar 26 01:48:23 sometimes 5 times a day, sometines none in 50 days Mar 26 01:49:37 i did what? sorry got no webster at hand, and my English is poor, but I'm quite sure I did nothing to your wife Mar 26 01:52:26 ha... she was playing with it and it freaked out, stopped responding. when you said yours reboots at random you cleared her of wrongdoing Mar 26 01:52:45 aah Mar 26 01:57:17 dunno. I got a wacky charger receptacle, and sometimes I got the idea this is related somehow. But then again I wasn't able to trigger reboots by crazy charger plug action. Anyway this wasn't like that from the beginning, rather it started maybe a year ago, maybe 18 months Mar 26 02:04:24 Within scratchbox, gdb always segfaults for me, if I pass it a core file to analyze. Does anyone know what might be causing that? Mar 26 02:05:15 DocScrutinizer, proved her right. Or not wrong. Mar 26 02:15:02 hi, im trying to wipe my nokia n900 before i send it back for an RMA do i flash first with "RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin" then with "RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" ? Mar 26 02:17:56 sounds about right Mar 26 02:26:20 I'm trying to make a svn up and the svn is return the following: SSL handshake failed: Connection reset by peer (https://vcs.maemo.org). What is going on? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 26 02:59:57 2010